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We found and discovered that a lot of the young boys in there there were cases of bestiality on their farms where they'd gone and had sex with animals.  The 12 tribes give you a new name and new personality and new identity. You can't read newspapers, watch TV, there's no radio and no books that aren't approved by the cult right so you're cut off from the outside world.  There's a 348 page manual on how to discipline your children. So when to hit them, how to hit them, how hard to hit them, what to tell them after you hit them you know the child raising manual is really a dark document. They basically have to stage and escape nowhere Mark with the help of some other former members in the group had to have to get her out. There was another guy senior member who got his head cut off with a tractor in traffic, ran into the back of the his brakes failed again. He ran into the back of a tractor. And boomerang and today's guest we get Tim earlier. Tim, how are you? Good, good. How are you going, James? Yeah, really? Well, thank you. Obviously, you're in awe of the accent. So the time difference is clearly different. But we've got here in the end, Tim, you've got a investigative journalist background award winner. I believe offered as well. I believe what you're not also.  Yeah. So this is this pod, though, is quite something different. Quite a different journey. That's that's for sure. I'd never done a pod, but especially not on a group like this. It was pretty bizarre. Yeah, this is why we're here today because you kind of exposed the cult, the 12 tribes, some dark, demonic, satanic, weird shit like I watched I watched something on Netflix as well last year called pray and obey. Oh, yeah. It's so weird.  Like before we get into it, you know, always like to go back to the start of my guests and get a bit understanding about you, how you function and what you're all about. King's Art, will you grow up? How it all began? Sure. How it all began. Well, I grew up in Sydney and I always wanted to be a journal and when I was growing up and the main paper in Sydney, in fact, the main paper in Australia really is the Sydney Morning Herald.  So I've been working for them for yeah, almost coming up to 20 years now.  And I work on the magazine, the Saturday magazine. So we write longer features and get quite a long time to write them and investigate them. And yeah, it's a dream job, really. Still, I still love it. What made you want to become a journalist, family members, friends, anybody? My dad was a doctor. I don't know why. Look, I just always wanted to. I was always interested in writing when I was a kid, like I just, you know, make up stories, literally just make up stories and write them down in in notebooks. I pretend that, you know, I used to he used to try and copy the actual font that newspapers had, you know, like Times, Rome and, you know, like that sort of stuff. I just thought it was so cool. I used to read the paper every morning with mum at the dinner at the breakfast table in the cinema. It was always a Sydney Morning Herald. And I don't know, I like the idea of telling stories, you know, like I just like the idea of talking to people, telling good yarns. And I think storytelling is what keeps us all going, really. Yeah, it's great. It's just working with something. Everything's our story. Everything is just a journey with our story. And it's how that's the thing about life and we're going off path here, but it's just you can create your own story, how it ends up, how it goes. And that's the mad thing about it, I guess. But what was your first ever article you're up? First ever article, man, that was a long time ago. Actually, you know, when I was young, I was the first, I can't remember the first article, but I do remember the first time I went on work experience. When I was at school, when I was about 15, they have, you know, had work experience trips. And they gave us the opportunity to spend, say, you know, where do you want to work? You want to work with a bank or you want to work with, you know, lawyers.  So they, they put send me out to spend a week or two with the crime reporter at a newspaper called the Daily Telegraph, which is a really kind of hardcore tabloid. And it was just I loved it. It was so I spent like spent two weeks basically hanging out with a guy called Jack Doherty, who was a famous legendary crime reporter back in the day. And Jack and Jack took me out really early in the morning, sort of six o'clock in the morning with a police radio tracker. So we drive around seeing what where the cops were heading and and follow the cops. It was just also I remember going, Yeah, this is the kind of job for me. I want to do this. What was your first proper job? First proper job. I drove a cab or drive a cab when I was at uni. That was an interesting work, right? Delivered pizzas. But I guess the first proper job I had was yeah, driving cabs. It was our experience. Don't know, ever driven cabs? No, my dad just to though.    You know, it's hard because you're dealing with the public all the time. Like every time you pick someone up, every job is a new person. And you're like, who's it going to be now? What is their situation going to be like? What problems do they have? Do they want to cause me any chaos? Are they cool? You know, yeah, it was pretty intense. But usually actually when I drove way back, started in the late 80s, and they you could actually make really good money back then. You know, you might make 250 for a 12 hour shift on a Friday night. But now it's different. You know, you've got Uber and all these rideshare stuff, which have really sort of chopped away at for all cabbies livelihoods. Do you think working as a taxi driver though benefited you interviewing later on in life because you had so so many different personalities? Yeah, I think it did actually. I hadn't I haven't really thought of that.  And yeah, I think that actually telling telling being a good talker and telling stories and listening to other people was really useful. So yeah, I think you're quite right. I hadn't thought of that until now. When did you go for that up there and and follow your dreams? Um, I gave that up really when I left uni, I was only doing an arts degree at uni. It wasn't particularly a special degree, but I just wanted to read about you know, I wanted to read books and learn how writing happened and and how you know, good writers and stuff like that. And then yeah, I gave it up when I basically left when overseas for a year to India and just sort of backpacked around and came back and got a job at with some sports magazines, some surfing magazines. Yeah, that's how I started. How hard does it be in a journalist? Because I'm not a lot of journalists get a rough read a lot of stories can be made up, but there's a lot of good journalists and always say that who try and do the best for their job and find the truth like how hard was it going into writing and working for magazines and newspapers? Did you see the kind of that element of people not trusting journalists? I funnily enough, I don't know if you come across as a decent person. You know, there's always people, you know, you just not going to believe you or trust you or that's the same anywhere.  So it's much like you're doing right now. You're brilliant. Thank you. What was your boss? What was your first big article you draw or the first big job you've got? Probably a big story. Well, I've got to say, like probably the most interesting one was the one that started this podcast. And it was way back when way back in 2000. I mean, I've done lots of other stories, but this was one story that really struck with me stuck with me because it was about this cult about a group that seemed so out of left field and so unbelievable.  And and they trusted me and that was way back in 2008. So that and I've been following the story of a sense of top tribes. How do you deal with it? Because because I interview a lot of survivors, a lot of hard hitting stories. And that was never my intention starting this podcast. But when you start interviewing one, you start shedding a light on a lot of darkness and nobody else touches on. And a lot of other people then come forward and I feel as if it's my duties to then give them the platform to try and raise awareness and show how strong you can be and show that no matter how dark your life can be, you can still make positive changes. But I don't really think about it after the interview, what's been really says.  How do you deal with some of the dark stuff that you've worked on over the years? Well, it's it's important to really.  They're the ones going through the shit, right? So you're just the guy documenting it and acting as a kind of a conduit to tell that story.  But actually, it did go through a really I did go the the worst story had. Probably the weirdest and most affecting story was I went out to meet a woman for the magazine and went out to do a feature on on hoarders. This sounds really kind of like weird, but it was about hoarders, you know, people who keep lots of possessions and can't get rid of them.  They can't throw anything out, right? And this one woman I met was the older woman and she was her obsession was with her cats. And again, this sounds kind of like sort of funny, but it was so not funny like this woman.  And she was mentally ill and she couldn't. Didn't know how to deal with the situation.   Do you know what I mean? It was like this really visceral kind of I was really and that was oddly enough, you know, that was actually really upsetting and I've covered wars and, you know, being to Columbia, the initial anchor during the war and all sorts of stuff. And that was really weird. That was just in Sydney in the Western suburbs and it was really, really affecting. How many cats did you have? Oh, God, she would have like 20.  Yeah, it was really that was it was like came back. Come on. Oh, my God, that poor human being.  How how hard does it to work on wars and write about wars and see the destruction that it causes all around the world? Does that just become the norm if you're doing it consistently?  And the same kids, people losing brothers, loved ones, fathers. So yeah, um, um, again, you're lucky, the first thing it's been first and foremost, you think, thank God, it's not me. It sounds really selfish, but you do. You go, my life is incredibly good compared to these peoples, which I think is a healthy response because it puts everything in perspective for you.  Just stuff and also people getting ripped off by their governments, you know, in India, we did a story in corruption there with a big mining magnate who, you know, he just, he just didn't care. He just built mines all over the country and just over villages.  People suffer a lot in the world. Yeah, that's the hard thing about trying to uncover a lot of stories that you're just trying to do the right thing. But again, it can, it can take away from what the beautiful thing is in life, but the world is run by good and evil. It's just a mad thing that how did you end up involved in the tribe and the cult side of things? How did that come about? Because that was years ago. And then obviously you came back to it. But how did it foster? OK, so in 2008, I was doing, I did a story about exit counsellors and exit counsellors are basically and it was just a news story. It wasn't a story from the magazine at that stage. So it was kind of like a short story about people who the D program is right.  So and the day next day after that story ran, I got a call from a guy who said, oh, my God, you know, read your story and do I have a story about a cult that you need to read that you need to tell? And basically this guy had been a member of this Christian fundamentalist sect called the Twelve Tribes. Now, the tribes are the tribes are sort of all over the world and they operate according to a strict religious orthodox beliefs that are very strict with children. And I sort of I started to get into it. And the more I read about it and the more members I talked to, the more horrific and bizarre the cult appeared to be.  It can be manipulated and to believe in something's right. When looking from the outside, you see it's wrong, but you can't.  Like, yeah, but that was a bit the brain. Is it Pray and obey the Netflix one that I was just shocked that people couldn't see how narcissistic, manipulative that guy was. Jeff, something I can't remember his name, but it was just so weird to think that they were gods and people actually believed that people actually worshipped him. When did it? What was it like speaking to somebody who was actually involved with one of those tribes?  And what are they thinking?  It's really important to realize that not blame the victim. Like these people, their only crime was to be idealistic, right? People are all the members I talk to, the former members of the 12 tribes. They all they wanted to do was to be part of a beautiful community who people who loved one another and took care of one another. And that is how the 12 tribes appear, right, on the surface. They're not going to, you know, they give off a very their shot front is really beautiful and caring and and dolphins and rainbows. Right. It's all about growing, growing your own food, living in peace and harmony and looking after one another, your brothers and sisters. Right. So a lot of people go, that's great. I want to do that. You know, I personally would love to do that. But, you know, like to get out of the rat race and that sort of stuff, but it's only when they moved in closer and became more vulnerable to the group's teachings and became more involved and entwined with the people inside the cult that over time they realized they were subject. Well, they didn't realize it, but they were subject to a type of brainwashing and they weren't really in a position to leave. They sort of there's lots of elements that keep people in the group, you know, like if you spent 10 years in a group like that, you've often lost your family. You've been because if you join these groups, you're given a whole new name as well. You're given the 12 tribes, give you a new name, a new personality, a new identity. You can't read newspapers, watch TV, there's no radio and no books that aren't approved by the cult. Right. So you're cut off from the outside world, you're cut off from your family and former friends. You aren't allowed to own a phone, you're not allowed to own an operator computer, have a bank account, have a phone plan, any of that sort of stuff. OK, you got totally taken over by the group. That's really appealing to a lot of people because it's a safety net. But then after years of being in there, they lose their autonomy. Right. They've got no control over their life anymore.  So the woman often stays because, number one, she might actually, you know, they once loved one another. It might be too hard financially for her to leave. It might be too daunting emotionally for her to disengage yourself from that relationship. It's all sorts of reasons that people it's just not as simple as saying, why don't you just leave? It's just not that easy. Yeah, you've got trauma bonding, you've got the Stockholm syndrome. You've got so many different things that you're actually connected to that person you think because you love them, you'll be there for them. But it's crazy because in this day and age as well, we're talking about masculine energy and feminine energy and men can have multiple wives and women should be in the house raising families. I'm personally old school morals. I believe I should be providing and protecting. I believe the the message should be raising the kids. I want my kids to be around their mother as much as possible. But we live in a society where a lot of madness is getting accepted for me, if you cheat on a woman, if you cheat on your girlfriend or your wife, you don't love her. And for me, if the woman takes them back, then she doesn't love herself because. Yeah, yeah. I just think they then become both of them are losers. Obviously, people make mistakes and people can change. It happens. But if you genuinely love someone, the last thing you want to do is hurt them. The last thing you want to do is jeopardise that. I think we're trying to normalise a lot of madness.  But if you want to be an alpha in life, then all you need to do is be a good father, be a good friend, be a good husband. It's it's pretty simple. No matter if you're flitten burgers and McDonald's or. You're building skyscrapers that everybody's different. As long as you're providing them for me, you're doing the right job. Do you see the juicy the vulnerability in these people, though? Did you see there was something missing over that? Actually, just normal people looking for, like you say, it's a selling point.  That yeah, anybody can buy into that. It's people might think it's airy fairy. But a lot of people are seeing the world as controlled and manipulated. And if you're looking for a guidance or if you think you found a new family, by all means, that's great. But did you see there was maybe something missing in these people? Or what did you see that that actually that it was just mass manipulation? Well, I think that it's all different. You know, the people join for different reasons. They might be vulnerable emotionally at that time.  And it's just at that key moment, you know, that hinge moment in their life that if they run into someone like a cult or say a really charismatic person, they can fall. They can come under this way a lot easier than if you're, you know, if you're a really if you're really strong in yourself or not, I mean, so there are vulnerabilities in people that make them more susceptible to to these groups. But also, I think normal people, you know, I meant, man, there are there are doctors in this group. There are lawyers that one guy talked to was a freaking chemical engineer. You know, and it's and they and he just joined really because he loved his wife and his wife was really into it. So he was like, OK, look, I'll go along with it. You know, I'm joined. I'm you know, I'm open minded guy. I'll I'll give it a go. You know, that's why he joined because of his wife. You know, he wanted to be with his wife. As it happened, he had to get out when really ugly stuff started to happen. He had to get out and he asked his kids who wanted to stay behind. And actually the wife said, I'm staying inside here and you can take the kids, which is one of the reasons I got really affected and really emotionally caught up with this cult because they divide families and they're very powerful, like for a woman like that, a mother to say, you can take the kids. I'm going to stay here. In other words, she abandoned her children. That's a very powerful group, man. A cult that can do that, a sect that can do that. How did the twelve three start? How did this call? Sorry, I'm raving. I'm raving now. How did it start? It started in the in the states in Chattanooga in Tennessee with a guy called Gene Spreex. And Gene was. Um. Super charismatic guy. He grew up in the 60s and he had a really eventful life. Like he was basically by the time that I mean, the 60s was pretty eventful in itself, you know, like. You know, there now and there was Woodstock and Charles Manson, all sorts of sit-ins, all sorts of stuff. He was even by the standards of the time, his life was uncommonly eventful, right? And he, by the age of 32, he'd been married three times. He'd had a son, he joined the army, he'd left the army and he'd cycled through a series of of jobs like he'd been a tour guide, a year nine school guidance counsellor. He'd managed a carpet factory.  He'd borrowed a lot of money from his friends and family and and hadn't paid them back. And basically he was. So he's a trouble guy. He was walking on a beach in California one day in 1972 and he believed he heard the word of God, God speaking to him, telling him to set up a new church. And that's what he did. And that new church turned into the 12 tribes. How many people are in the 12 tribes? Oh, it's small. It's only about 3,000 people, 4,000 people worldwide. But it's a varied. So it flies, totally flies under the radar. Like it's in, but it's in every country, too. You guys have a group in Honitun and Exeter, I think have groups in South America, Europe, Spain, France, Czechoslovakia. Now they used to have one in Germany until the authorities threw them out Australia. Yeah, they're everywhere. So where do they live? Is it like as their own community? Do they build their own houses? Because if they pray and obey one, they had kids as young as 10, like unbelievable building houses. They trained them so young, they were worth millions. Like where do these people stay? Is it caravans, houses? OK, yeah, they are a wealthy group. Now they run businesses all around the world, like demolition crews, construction businesses, soap factories, shoe factories, food, restaurant, bakeries, all sorts of stuff. So they've got money and they put that money into buying properties all around the world. Mate, they they own like 10 million dollars of property in Sydney alone, at least that we can see. So they own a big farm, for example, outside of Sydney. It's like it's massive. It's 8.2 hectares. It's got a creek running through it, multiple buildings, farm farms, terraced farm lands where they grow their food. They so they've, yeah, now they've got all sorts of properties all around the world. Usually they've got a massive mate tea farm in Brazil, which they use to export tea to the States. They're very, very well established and they earn good money and they live in basically they live in but their members live in poverty a lot of the time. It was Warren. Yeah, Warren Jeff. That's the man's name who had done the prayer. Yeah. And he went to prison. So these people are still running. They're running multi-million dollar businesses. So everything they're doing is above board. They can't be shut down. They can't get done for proceeds of crime and everything stripped from them. Are they doing it in such a way where they're so manipulative they're doing it where they can't be sent to prison? Well, OK, all of the people in the 12 tribes work for free. Right. Everybody. And so they start, the kids start working at the age of five. So the kids will be working in, you know, I spoke to kids who've been chopping vegetables, working in kitchens from the age of seven. And then by 15, they were doing 12 hour days in bakeries, 17 hour days in bakeries. For free, not a single penny, because they don't classify themselves or the group doesn't. The 12 tribes don't classify them as workers. They are volunteers, you know, in inverted commas. And when they're in there, most of the people are willing to go along with that because they believe in the mission. They believe that they're living for one another and they're willing to work for free. It's only when they get out, they go far out.  How do they recruit people? What's their plan? Well, the advertisement and people want to join or do they go out their way and try and manipulate people to join? Oh, man, they go out and try and recruit people. Like the couple that the podcast is is based on. It's a beautiful couple. Is that Mark and Rose? Yeah, Mark and Rose. They were in Sydney. Rose is sort of Spanish-French, Mark's a Kiwi. They were living in, but they sort of spent most of their time in Sydney. They were back. They've been in Europe in the early or the mid 90s. They came back to be in Sydney. And so they're in a bit of a between, you know, in a bit of a state of flux, you know, they're trying to find their feet again, get a job. And they didn't quite know. So they were kind of a bit at a loose end. And then they're at a music festival in Sydney.  So he got up and said, I was going to walk around. And he was walking around and this woman in a long flowing dress and long hair came up to him and said, oh, it looks like you need a home. And and it was like he did it that time. He was at a loose end. So kind of struck him as like, oh, really struck a chord. And that woman was from the 12 tribes. She said, oh, you should come out to our farm outside of Sydney. It's beautiful, you know, we we have music nights on a Friday and we grow all our own food and, you know, we'll look after you and stuff like that. And so that's how it started, you know, and Mark and Rose went out to the farm on the Friday and the Friday after that, they went back. And then the Friday after that, they went back again because they liked it. And after a couple of weeks, a month or so, they were gone, you know, what, we're going to throw our lot in with this group. We're going to we're going to join. And how do they really get their claws in? Is it all rainbows and butterflies at the start where everybody's singing and dancing and they think they found a place like heaven? Like, did they actually believe they were in a good place?  But you don't know the depths of it goes. When did how long were they in it? When they realized that something was amiss? Yeah, OK, so after I think it was after I mean, they were in there for 13 years. Right. So I think it was bicycle, but in the first two or three years, they had some serious doubts because one thing that this group is really well known for or it's one of the hallmarks of the group is really strong discipline. OK, so if you you can, any kid who does not respond to a command from an adult can be beaten and will be beaten severely with a stick immediately and they can be beaten by their parents or by any other adult. And we talked through the call through the podcast to members of the cult who had former members who had seen children beaten to a pulp, Red Raw, and that's lots of people that's widely documented. And these parents felt absolutely terrible about it. They'd done things that they could not forgive themselves. But at the time, they thought it was right. Now, Rose and Mark, when it got to that stage of. Of having to beat their children doing what the elders told taught them.  I don't think it's right. But by that time, they were well and truly ensconced. They were that group had its claws in them psychologically. And, you know, it's like I was saying, it's not that easy to leave. Like that given them all their money, you know, they didn't have a house anymore. They'd sold their car that's all of their belongings. So we're going to go even if you wanted to leave.  What was the deal with it in like being in this cult? They get up, they get up about seven a.m. They have a series of prayer meetings, then they go out and basically work in work. The men go and work in farming in the fields. Mark was one of the first jobs Mark had was to tend to flock of sheep. And they prepare all the food together. They have multiple prayer meetings every day, multiple meetings where they have to confess their sins to one another and where they're reprimanded in group group meetings for not being sufficiently repentant. And then they basically, yeah, they have a lot of that going. A lot of a lot of theology, a lot of like scripture and teaching. And and then, yeah, it's very women then worth basically in teaching, child care, cooking. It's very regimented, gender based life. And women are very much under this arm. You're like women there are the belongings of men. They they they are second class citizens. And you do what your husband tells you at all times. And it's much like the show you watched with the Mormons or the Amish, where they dress as they're even comparisons to the Amish where they dress like it's basically long flowing dresses. All the men wear pony tails. It's very modesty. You can't show any flesh. You can't show any skin. All all marriages. I know I'm rabing here. I'm going on and seeing a different tangents, but it's so fascinating. All the marriages are decided by the elders, like they decide who marries who.  You can't look at them, kiss them.  It's just so gender divided and so strict. The morals are so strict that it's very hard to live up to.   And so a lot of the guilt is a lot of guilt that goes around the group. And at one stage, oddly enough, the gender apartheid, they're like women.  Young boys in there, they don't they don't sleep with any other young girls. They don't. So we found and discovered that a lot of the young boys in there, there were cases of bestiality on their farms where they'd they'd gone and had sex with animals.  And then once that was discovered by the elders, the the the boys had to go out, kill the animals and bury them in the in the ground with a backhoe. So pretty messed up.    Do you know what I mean? Yes, it's very messed up. Yeah. Yeah. How many of the elders were there? How many of them? It's hard to say. It's like there's just, yeah, there might be a group of senior people in each community, you know, who call the shots. But it's very regimented as well. It's regimented, but also very fluid. So you might there's not meant to be any hierarchy. You know, you're always told, no, it's for everyone's on the level. Anybody has the ability to speak and raise their voice and and have their concerns heard. But in actual fact, there's a very strict hierarchy where you've got people who wield a lot of power over your life. For example, if you in the Sydney community, and I'm sure in other communities around the world, in the 12 tribes, if you wanted like there were people who say needed a new pair of shoes, right? But you're not allowed outside the grounds, you know, by yourself to wander around with a bank account. So what they do is they go, they have to go to one of the elders and say, oh, you know, I need a new pair of shoes. Can you go and buy it for me? So, you know, all the so that the elders have been going by the shoes and bring them back. So all the agency, these people couldn't do anything on their own, you know, so they were they were captured. You know what I mean? Like everything, you have to go and ask permission for everything. So, yeah, it's a lot of power games. Because when they're given birth, is there not a manual of how to raise the kids like a 300 odd paid manual, how you should be a parent? Yeah, there's a 348 page manual on how to discipline your children. So when to hit them, how to hit them, how hard to hit them, what to tell them after you hit them. You know, the child raising manual is really a dark document. They also believe in it's their guidelines on swaddling where you where you're meant to buy the children really tight so they can't move.   He found himself doing that. And he thought, whoa, what have I become? You know, what has become of me when I'm doing this? And, you know, he started to wake up and go, no way, man, this is really dark. I've got to get out. How many waves did they have was on multiple waves or was it one wave? No, only one wife. Yeah, so it's not like the Mormons. It's not like the Prayana Bay. It's only one wife. But yeah, so so in that way, it's quite different to that. What about abuse? Was any of the kids being abused in the kids are abused all the time, man, the kids are abused all the time. They're beaten up.  They're told that if they leave the group, the, you know, the discipline is super harsh.  You know, where sinners go. So the kids, you know, if you hear that from the age you're born, right, you believe it. If that's the only thing you know, then, yeah, you're these kids are terrified. That's why it's hard for people to leave. That's a form of abuse. Yeah. What's the main beliefs? Was it Christ? What was our religion? What was it like? It's a weird mix of Judaism and Christianity, which is weird. So they basically believe in in Yeshua, God, as a God, Yeshua, as they call him. And they essentially believe that they're the one true church in the world. There's no other way to. There's no other path to Christ. There's no other path to salvation and their mission in in in the world is to bring around me. And their mission in life is to bring about the end of the world by raising an army of 144,000 pure male children who will go out at the coming of Armageddon to wage war on Satan. So it's their job to raise this army of pure boy warriors, warrior angels who go out there and battle Satan. And so it's pretty crazy stuff. You know, not all not all of them. And it was, you know, it's like because we're living in a real world, there's people who can actually quite intelligent. Not a lot. Not all of them believed in that, the adults. But like I said before, they. They kind of they made compromises with themselves. They came to arrangements in their own head and they went, OK, I love this part of living here in this community.  Soldiers, that's pretty messed up. But, you know, I really like the way that we grow all our own food.  So they make accommodations, you know, that's why that's how it works. See, I think all religions leak a coat. I was raised a Catholic. I've got a crucifix tattooed on my back of Jesus.  But yeah, I've got some random man on my back.  At that time, it probably served me as I thought it was a kind of guidance to try and stay sane. But the more I've got older, the more people are into of you. It's all a cult. It's all a movement of manipulating how many people you can manipulate to have a belief in something that's an ideology. It doesn't exist. It's only an idea up here that people are believing into. And listen, if I've got people who are Muslim, I've got people who believe in Christ and they're great people. They're amazing people and they genuinely take the goods from their beliefs and their religion and that's great. But there's a lot of people who are manipulated by it, who then use it for destruction, who then use it for evil. And who says what God is real? What's religion like? There's what five thousand religions are four thousand different gods.  Yeah, exactly. Who knows, you know? And yeah, it's great. It's exactly. And I could be wrong. Maybe all these religions are right. Maybe all these gods are right. I just the more I've educated myself over the years and kind of looked into life and trying to understand that. I believe we're all, whether it's a God, we're all got the power to be who we want to be and do what we want in life as long as you're trying to do good.  But it's sad that that's what I saw from your story, man. It's a heavy story. You know, I was looking at I've been looking at your story.  Yeah, but everyone has. Everyone has.  We all in dark places at times, but life does go on and it's trying to push through it to then waking up. Same as Mark and Rosalett. They were probably living life at the start. They probably loved life being involved in this cult at some points. But when did they start to realize this ain't normal? What was it?  I think it was when their child, their son started to really like they had to beat him all the time because he was disobedient. He was a normal, naughty, spirited, naughty, naughty young boy. But they found themselves having to hit him all the time to discipline him as per the the the group's beliefs. Right. So I think Mark was telling me, I just it was just wrong, you know, like he he thought, I can't do it anymore. This is really wrong. I don't want to hit my kid anymore. I don't want to tell him given these weird messages about about God. And it didn't stop making sense to them anymore. So they started to see and, you know, at the same time, their family members were trying to contact them all the time, trying to get messages through them saying, man, you know, you guys are it's not this year in a bad place. This group is not looking after your best interests.  But after a time, I think they just realized that it wasn't working for them. They also they were driven into such a dark, depressing place by the group who made them feel so so like second class that in essence, in a funny way, I think the group actually pushed them out, you know, it was. They they saw that the son wasn't never going to be a part of the group. He was really at 15, the son who'd been beaten up his whole life growing up. They asked the elders, asked him, said, do you want to join now? Do you want to be back when I say join?  Even though it's hard to explain, but what they meant was commit utterly to to to us.  And this was in a communal meeting and the elders just fell over in horror, you know, because it's just not the way you talk to them. And then at that stage, they were exiled. They were sent away to a to a farm in the middle of nowhere in rural New South Wales. The New South Wales is a big, fricking place like Australia's a big place. They get it was a middle of nowhere.  And they just realized after years, look, this group doesn't have my best, you know, they just woke up. They went, no, you know, and Mark just sort of went saw things more clearly, just went, I'm being ripped off.  I'm being taken advantage of. But it wasn't even then it wasn't that easy to leave because because Rose was kind of more into it, you know, she was still a believer. And so they had to stay. Yeah. Sorry, go on. Sorry, you go on. So they had to stage that basically had to stage and escape. You know, when Mark. With the help of some other former members in the group had to. Had to get her out like you'll hear in the podcast, right? And they had to sort of stage an intervention where they said, OK, you're getting out with me. I'm leaving you're coming with me. And it was a pretty confronting time, you know, leaving a group after 13 years, treat her out.  What's on the outside in the outside world? How am I going to cope? You know, it's very pretty messed up.  While they're going through all that actually in the cult, like, how is it then they then get out?  Some people were getting killed off or going missing, where they didn't. Oh, well, that's what we've heard. Yeah, you'd be, you know, there are all sorts of stories with this group. They, you know, I've people should listen to that. There are bonus episodes in our, you know, series where I talk to one young American girl who had to throw her weight to plan her escape. She got busted once trying to plan pack of bags and someone walked in and went, why are you packing your bags?  So then they kept a really strict eye on her.  She packed all the stuff she got alive together. She made contact with someone outside of sort of family member and said, you've got to help me get out of here, be at this point, be outside the house with your car at just after midnight. I think it was I'm going to throw my bags off the roof of the house where the cult was, where the group was. You grab the bag and I'm just going to run through the house and get out. Because that was the only way she could do it. She basically had to bust out. You know, a lot of these people it's scary, you know, and the thing is that they scare them by. There was a girl there was a girl who was sexually abused, who was while she was in the cult in America. She took it to the police. She left.  Very brave woman. She went to the cops and said, OK, there's a member of this group, the 12 tribes who has been abusing me for years. When I was a member of the group, I want you to press charges. So the cops went to the group, interviewed the man. Then the cult asked the woman to come back and have a talk.  You know, just say it never happened. And, you know, they were there was an inference that they were willing to give her certain things, certain hush money. She said no. She drove away. Forty days down the road, her brakes failed and she drove into oncoming traffic.  And there was another guy, a senior member, who got his head cut off with a a tractor in traffic, ran into the back of the his brakes failed again, he ran into the back of a tractor.   How did how did they end up leaving the cult then? What was a what was a process? How did they end up? And how difficult would it have been to actually leave it? It's not it's not like a prison. It's not guarded with guns and yeah, yeah, yeah. That's the weird thing. So who are you? Oh, why don't they just walk out? It's all psychological. It's all in your brain.   You know, it's wrapped up in barbed wire. So it's very hard for a lot of them to leave. And in Rose and Mark's case. Yeah, like I was saying, they had to basically get help. Mark had to sit behind Rose's back because he wanted to leave and she didn't that he knew was the right thing to do. So and I don't want to spoil it too much for the podcast because it makes the stories pretty amazing. But he organised for someone to come across to New Zealand. They're in New Zealand at the time and help them get out. But it's all I want. I can't I can't explain it all. It's so you've got to listen to the pod. Because I know people, you'll see. Vadios of, say, midges in a in a a jar where they can jump over the jar. But if they put the lid on it and it keeps jumping up after a while, it will stop jumping and then they'll take the lid off. And they're not even jump even as the capability is to jump. But the manipulation tactics of the grooming and it's a pivotal find the mind that can be manipulated. It can be in full power of other people. And that's a sad thing. That's not just in calls. That's in everything in life. Yeah, that's an amazing. That's an amazing story. Amazing. I'd never heard of that experiment. That's fascinating. Yeah, they done it because I think they could they could jump at six feet. Yeah. And then what happens is they put the lid on because when they kept jumping, they'd bang their heads. They just stop. They just stop. So then the lid was off. Yeah. And they don't try it. Yeah, they don't try. Same as if you see videos with horses and they'll pretend to put the the rope round their neck and as if they're holding them. But there's nothing there. Yeah. Horses don't move. And it's exactly the same with with these people. It's exactly the same. To just see a lot of sadness with these people that you see. Yeah, there are a lot of sadness. You know, the saddest thing was families being broken up.  And but over time, they say to their new members, look, it's probably better that your family don't come and visit. You know, it's probably better than mum and dad just don't come anymore. You know, like that's and they slowly discouraged their friends from their old life visiting them. They slowly discouraged their sisters, brothers, parents from coming. And after a while, they're isolated. Their friends and family don't contact them anymore. So people can actually go and visit them, though. No, no, not after a while. No, it's it's just it just doesn't happen because you're cut off.  So what happens is that, oh, God, I know I lost the track of what you asked. But you know, you were talking about people could visit them, their parents and it just get isolated. Yeah, they get isolated as if it's a good place at the start. Yeah, at the start, because they, you know, they the 12 tribes don't want to appear like a cult. So they they want to appear accepting and open. And so, yeah, you know, your family can visit and your parents can come in and have see what a beautiful life they're the group is leading.  And so that over time, yeah, it's kind of like they're just slowly discouraged from doing that. It's probably best if mum and dad, you know, can you not, you know, can you tell them not to come this Saturday? We're kind of busy, you know, and it works like that. And after a while, it's like they're cut off. But doesn't they get the saddest thing I saw? That's right. The saddest thing I ever saw was in Pod. We talk about this woman, this young girl who was raised in the cult. Whose mother. Decided to stay in the cult and she escaped. The daughter escaped, but the mother went, you know, you go, I'm staying here. You know, I believe in this group, you can go. She was willing to give up her own daughter to be with the cult. And so it was really sad. The daughter then was like, why did you why did you give up on me? She didn't talk to her mother for 20 years. So, you know, and I spoke to her and she was crying to say, you know, why didn't why didn't mom choose to do that? She's that group other than me, you know? So, you know, what did I do wrong?  The way it broke up families, the way it breaks up families because they've got a big contract for the Australian Olympics to denote for. Yeah, they got a contract. Yeah, they're very successful commercially.  They did a lot of catering for the Olympics and certain venues and, yeah, they're county bunch.  But why are they still allowed to go then? If it's if it's mass control, because I'm not because it's like, it's like work because it's how do you investigate a group when people join willingly? Yeah, people join willingly, you know, like, you know, and they're allowed to leave it any time.  They're not. No, it's not as easy as that. Like we've just discussed and. Yeah, and also there's a division, you know, I think the cops are really there, certainly in Australia, really afraid and definitely in America, are really afraid of pursuing a religious group. So it can take a, you know, it's they it's.  Unless there's it's hard.  Now they're trying to, there's a whole bunch of ex-members and in the States, actually, former members joining class actions to try and get money back for all the work they put in. So which they, you know, they never received wages. And so they're going to lawyers to try and say, you know, I'm fucking, I want some money back for that. You know, I bought, I broke my back doing that work for you. So anyway, there seems to be some accountability coming in now that, you know, we'll just have to wait and see. Yeah, this is a mad thing because it's a religion.     Make some changes about it because I had someone on talking about on our killings, young girls being killed because their first kid was a girl. They're not wanting to get married to older men and they're killing them off.    I'll call it out all day long.   Yeah, it's hard, life's complex, man. But, you know, in Germany, they did the police in Germany really held the group accountable because in Germany, it's illegal to smack your kids. So it's not like that in Australia. But in Germany, you cannot lay a finger on your children, right? And then as we talk about, and again, I don't want to ruin too much of the podcast, but there's a great section in there where we talk to a German documentary maker who went in and put cameras, hidden cameras, all through the German compound, the group's compound in Germany, and filmed them, got filmed, secret footage of them beating up their children, smacking and really abusing, physically abusing their children. He showed the cops and it was amazing.  It's a great result. Here, it's in Australia. It's a little bit more gray. It's like there's no rule per se about smacking your children, you know, like. So it's all it's all more complex here. They seem to be playing by the rules very carefully. They seem to be very carefully. They seem to be on the fine line where they're doing wrong, but they're not doing enough to go to prison. And that's again, manipulation tactics. Do you believe they're protected? Could they be protected? Yeah, well, this is a lot of money as well. I don't know. This is what we're, you know, there's a bit of work to go on the pod. And we're getting information all the time about different things going on. And it's really. There's some work to be done for us. But yes, we have heard that there's yeah, that there are degrees of protection. Yeah. Yeah, well, you know, you know yourself, Tim, money talks that if there's money to be made, people will keep quiet. How many of these people did you interview? Oh, man, we must have interviewed 50 of them. You know, like over the years, I must have interviewed 50 or 60 of them. You know, we had hundreds of that. All willingly, all willingly, though, or do you think they could have been sent to Pretria? And a positive like, did you have anybody pretend positive? No, no, no, even the people who had stories that were bad said to me, look, you've got to be careful.  We had some really great times, you know, most of the people I talked to and said who hated the group even said to me, please don't make it really black and white. It's not black and white. Like a lot. We had a lot of great times in there. And that's some really lovely people who had their heart in the right place. You know, we were living in a farm, we were growing our own food. There were lots of beautiful memories. But then at the same time, it's like life in general.  So, yeah, so it's, um, no, we, we, it's, we try and portray in the pod, the podcast, you know, we try and portray in the podcast.  It's, it's a complex picture of our life in general. How many cults are these around the world like these? These. Oh, God, I don't know that. I'm sure there will be hundreds.  You should look into that group. What about this group?  Well, look at Scientology as well. A lot of big names on that. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I watched a documentary on that. I think it was Loot Furu and it was just mad again.  You don't abandon them.  What was the saddest thing you've seen with this cult? I think that like just families being broken up.  You know, it's like, they know where they think they know where she is that they're not. She might be. They've got the group has the 12 tribes have a community in Japan. And so they think that she's over there and that she's, they know that she's got a child and that she's married to someone in the group. And so Mark and Rose know they've got a grandchild and they've only seen that. They've seen that grandchild once. Yeah, so. And I'll say that they did things to their own son that they feel very, very guilty about. And they were crying in the podcast just saying, I can't believe I did it. And I feel that great guilt. They carry guilt every day. See the 12 tribes is that named after 12 sons from Israel? Yeah, the 12 tribes in Israel. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So. And there's one in England. Yeah. Yeah. There's one in England near Exeter. How many people's on that? Do you know? Don't know. Don't know. I'd love to come across and do some study on that group there. But I don't know. I've been contacted by English people who are like, you know, how can I help out? You know, I've seen this group in, I think it's Jonathan. And they're, you know, they want to do something about it, but they're not sure what to do. And they suspect some really dark stuff's going on, particularly with the children, but they're not sure what to do. They don't feel confident barging in and trying to, you know. Yeah. But there's a group, I guess. If you want to do something here, I'm more than happy to do something with you as well to expose it and shed light on it. But it can be difficult if there is good things from it. And people actually believe it's the right thing to do. Yeah. It's like life. It's like life. It's really complex. It's not, you know, it's not an easy thing. What if somebody's being approached now? What's their tactics just for anybody that's maybe watching and people are approaching to then maybe see some vulnerability to adjoin these calls? What's the telltale sayings?  And I spoke to people, locals there who were like, fuck, you know, this really weird, two really weird guys walked up to me and started talking, talking about their group. And I just got a really weird vibe, you know, in other instances they walk into shops. You know, I spoke to one parent, two parents of a boy, 16 year old boy who was working in a shop in a town near the community. And there are two community members just walked in and started talking to this 16 year old kid and saying, you should join up. It's great.  And the parents are really pissed off.   And yeah, so again, I'm just raving. I find it really, you can probably tell, I find it really interesting. And it's just, it's an amazing story. So that's been 20 years you've been uncovering this. Where do you go from? Basically, yeah, since since 2008. Yeah. Where do you go forward with the future of it, Tom? Yeah, there's new material coming out all the time. And you know, we might be making a documentary series about it. It's just, there's, there's always new material. There's always stuff going on in the States. And particularly with this legal case, it might be really good because some of these people might get some recompense, you know, for the work they put in. What about going forward for the future? What's your plans? That's my plans. I just keep working away. You know, I love work. I love being a journal. And yeah, just keep on writing stories. It's always heaps to write about as you would know, man. You know, part of how to look through the people you've talked to. It's fascinating. It's a great job, hey?  It's obviously can be that tired in some things with the stories, but that's what I'm doing. I'm doing well for it. I love it. I believe I'm great at it. And it's only the beginning to where I can go with it for the future. Where can people watch, listen to the podcast? How can people get in contact with you and stuff if they've got information or kind of want to uncover some dark shit? Like how first of all, where can you watch, listen to the podcast? The podcast is called inside the tribe. So inside the tribe. And it's on everywhere you get your podcast from Apple Spotify. You name it. You'll find it. Just Google it. And in the notes there, there's emails that you can contact me on and feel free to get in touch. Everybody just get in touch with me and tell me what you think. But yeah, inside the tribe. Give it a listen. What about your social media? Does that sound friendly? Whether it's maybe what I get going forward? My Insta is a good question, James. I'll check it out right now. My Instagram is Tim Elliott SMH. So it's T-I-M-E-L-I-O-T-S-M-H. So if you can, you can get in touch with you there. You can get in touch with on my Facebook page, which is hold on a minute. I should know this up by heart, I should know. Which is, so you can edit this out, right, James? No, no. We'll keep an end to it.  My Facebook is at Tim.Eliot.927. The handle is at Tim Elliott SMH. And yeah, sort of get on to me there. But yeah, if you put all the handles on your, you know, on the show notes on your pod, that would be great if you could. Yeah, we'll put all the links in the description. So if you can send me the links to the podcast for people to watch at. Send me the links to your Facebook and Instagram. We'll leave in the description for anybody that maybe want to come forward. You don't know who's watching this podcast. I've watched all around the world. So you don't know who's actually watching and hopefully you can maybe help them out. For anybody that's maybe watching, you've spoken off people Tim who are struggling in life and who's been in dark moments. What advice would you have for them? There's a great phrase that I always try and keep in mind when I'm feeling really shitty and I'm going through dark times and it's, this too will pass. So this too will pass. Like things will, you might be feeling really bad, but things will get better. You just got to keep on going. And of all the things, of all the advice I've ever been given, that makes the most sense because when you do feel better, you look back and go, oh my God, I thought that I was, I was so low that I'd do something really silly to myself. But, but now look, you know, things did get better. So I just tell myself this too will pass. Tim, for coming on into telling your story, very fascinating and thoroughly enjoyed that. Would you like to finish up on anything, brother? No, I just love to tell people to listen to the poem. We put a lot of work into it. So, you know, it was a lot of work and I'd really appreciate if people gave it a listen and got back to me and got in touch with me and tell me what they thought and gave me any feedback and any tips and leads that they might have. I appreciate it, brother. Enjoy the rest of your week and I'll speak to you soon. No, it was great, James. Thanks for having me on. Thanks, brother.


From Hollywood, it's time now for Johnny dollar. Good morning, Johnny. This is Carol. Oh hi Carol sleep. Well I hope it's because Madame Morgana Morgana convinced you over powers as a medium How much did you pay her for that seance Carol a hundred dollars a hundred? Want to meet me in the coffee shop downstairs for breakfast? I'd love to 15 minutes 15 minutes.  Yeah, bye Except that I never had a brother Tonight and every weekday night Bob Bailey in the transcribed adventures of the man with the action-packed expense account America's fabulous freelance insurance investigator yours truly Johnny dollar Expense account submitted by special investigator Johnny dollar location, New York City To the Universal Adjustment Bureau Hartford, Connecticut Following is an accounting of expenses during my investigation of the matter of the medium well done Expense account item 18 10 cents phone call to Carol sharp item 19 10 cents phone call to sergeant Randy singer Soon as I've had some breakfast your lab get those films developed for me And did you put a tail on David sharp? I would have bet on it. No Just keep that tail on them. See you later Item 20 1070 long distance called of the city editor of the Mock Chunk, Pennsylvania, Harold Express For a full half hour. I asked him questions about the sharp family about one member of the family in particular Then item 21 585 breakfast for Carol and myself in the coffee shop at the Swank Bell Towers You must have been impressed Johnny is so quiet. Would you like to see Madame Morgana Morgana again tonight? Johnny Carol I think we'll see it today. Oh, but she couldn't she always says it takes a full day to recover from the shock And strain of a seance she goes into a deep trance, you know in order to make the spirits move those little trumps about and speak through them Listen, Carol. Yes, you have a brother and David. Oh David, why do you say it that way? He's not really a brother He was just sort of taken in by mother when his parents died. I'd rather not speak of him Johnny the black sheep of the family, huh? Mother mother insisted on taking care of him. He was only 12 13. I forgotten Father didn't want to but he permitted it. Why didn't he want to? Because David's father had been a criminal and his father before him even David's mother was and my father was afraid Yeah, that blood would tell yes Your father left money to him along with the rest of you. Yes. He did but not as much and David has resented that but no matter how much he had he wouldn't have enough his sports cars the fast company Johnny, how did you know about this girl?   All right, Johnny. We will be there Johnny picture took last night. Oh, thanks, Randy Hey, why don't you get the idea using infrared light and infrared film anything else anything that let them know I was taking pictures would have busted up the sands Look at this one. Yeah, I'd like to publish those Scare a lot of those phony psychics out of business and out of town. Oh, here's the one that I like to dollar. We're here I don't know. Hello Tony miss sharp. Mr. Ricardo. This is sergeant singer. How do you do now? Will you please show us this proof you were talking about? Yes. No, how did you make out? Made out very well Tony. Thanks to a miniature flash camera. I had tucked into my pocket last night I guess you wanted to how madam Morgana Morgana worked a racket. He did not Tony knows as well as I do that. She's completely honest like any normal person He may have questioned the almost miraculous powers of this woman in the beginning, but no trumped up tricks that you Where did you get this picture and look at this one? She's moving that trumpet herself With the long kind of extended handles extension grip they call it. She probably hid it in the front of her dress But these pictures in that dark room Infrared photography, maybe she did use one trick But the voices came from trumpets floating about in the air above our head Then look at this one taken when your father was supposed to be speaking to you. Oh, no That little trumpet has a long tube on it. Yeah extending into that curtain doorway at the end of the room where somebody could whisper through it This is terrible Hundreds the thousands of dollars I gave her believing in it. Yeah, I'm afraid you will really took here Here's where my dead brother Richard spoke to me Hanging trumpet is over your head. Yeah, but how could she know I didn't tell her oh Yes, you mentioned your brother a completely non-existent brother Carol made up like the dream of you I told you about and I believed you too But how could she find out all those things about me this sharp a couple of nights ago I took mr. Dollar to a medium that was a bum compared to this one She told them all about himself.  Don't try. We've still got to pin this whole thing down I'm sure this met a Morgana Morgana wasn't working alone. But who could be about it Tony? No No, not Tony just because his father was oh, no, please I gotta report here Johnny Please moved again, and you guessed right. Yeah, and we better get going. Can we use a proud car? No, but we can get an escort as far as the city line that come on all of you The cabbie with his accelerator on the floor had a ball training our escort across town And we had to hold him down when we finally reached the Jersey side Randy singer obviously had no authority over there. But as it turned out, I'm glad he came When we pulled up to the home of men of Morgana Morgana I couldn't help noticing a stutter bigger golden hawk sticking out from behind the house with a Pennsylvania license I wasn't the only one to notice Johnny That looks like David's car. I think it is Come on Johnny, I'm out of my jurisdiction. Oh, yeah, maybe you better wait. Yeah Johnny, I knew David was bad, but I still can't believe it. I know how you feel Carol, and I'm sorry mr. Dollar wait a minute Johnny Johnny if you do a thing like this, I'm ready for anything Why don't just you and I go in if anything happened to Carol? I never oh Carol dear and mr. Ricardo and mr. Dolly. No madame Morgana Do you mind if we come in? I know I But not for another meeting of course Strain of last night's convocation is still with me. I'm afraid Yeah, maybe you ought to up the price for your next seance But there ain't gonna be no more Mr. Dollar, I don't come on Carol Tony. We're gonna look over that seance room and broad daylight.   This man is mad make him leave this sacred place at once Carol What right have you to make such horrible implications? implications those were Accusations Would you like to see how those spirits of yours move trumpets around in the dark? They couldn't be seen and how those spirit voices suddenly appear out of thin air. Look at these pictures How did you get these I cannot tell a lie I did it with my little camera Well All right, all right But there was nothing malicious about it If you knew the solace the comfort of mind and spirit these things have brought to the people who come to me at a hundred bucks a crack Sometimes more why not Carol has money so of the others who come to me Did you plan to make them all turn their insurance policies over to you and then contrived to have them suddenly and Unexpectedly join their immortal ancestors in the great beyond. No. No, that wasn't my idea You something like this might happen. It has happened now. Where is he? No, no, I don't know what you're talking about your assistant A colleague in crime would be a better word who stood inside the curtain door of the seance room and made with the phony voices of The dead who gave you all the information on Carol who's probably done a nice little research job on me since my visit last night Yes, mr. Dollar David I know all about your activity as an insurance investigator and why you're here, but it's not going to do you any good Oh put that thing down and give yourself up David So you're the one who arranged for me to be a beneficiary of Carol's policy I'm back so the suspicion would fall on me when something happened to her of course and give us a chance to clear out But now it's too late and Now that you found us out Well, David no The light somebody turned You dirty pull a gun on me with your easy easy Johnny.  Here he is wrapped up in the corner. Yeah, I've got his gun Oh, you got a mean left there. Oh, I'm sorry Randy, but who say I thought this was out of your jurisdiction I Get curious about comparing your lousy photography with a room itself Johnny, so I sneaked in the back door When I saw it was going on I well, I lost my head. I guess All right Dave up on your feet Easy Carol better get her out of here, Tony. Yeah, sure and remember that crack about blood will tell Well, I think you can prove to her that in your case at least whoever said it was all wet Well, what happens to David Sharpe and madam Morgana Morgana will be up to the courts It's a sin. She's out of the ghost racket for a while a long while and of course Carol did make a change in her policy to cut off David Expense account item 20 something cared back to New York hotel bill and fare back to Hartford for 1735 Expense account total 892 90. Oh, and if you don't mind, I'll hang on to that tricky little Cameron stuff in case I run into another medium. Well done Yours truly Johnny dollar Now here's our star to tell you about next week's intriguing story next week the tears of night matter a Fabulous necklace and a fabulous girl Join us. Won't you yours truly Johnny dollar? Yours truly Johnny dollar starring Bob Bailey is transcribed in Hollywood It is produced and directed by Jack Johnstone who also wrote this week's story heard in our cast were Virginia Greg Lawrence Dubkin Lorraine Tuttle Harry Bartell Eleanor Audley Joseph Kearns Herb Vigran Junius Matthews Tony Barrett and Sam Edwards Musical supervision by a marigo marino. Be sure to join us on Monday night same time and station for another exciting story of yours Truly Johnny dollar Roy Rowan speaking


We have made some pretty big changes to the Monopoly Hut board. Yo, what's going on Lea Franchinsleefer back again and welcome back to the channel, welcome back to Monopoly Hut. And like I said, we made some changes to the board, so let's look at it. So as you can see here, we have added some more special packs to the board. I asked you guys last episode if I should do that and a lot of you guys in the comments agreed that I should be doing that. So as you can see at the bottom of the board, we have opened a special pack now in the orange little category there. On the left side of the board, we have two chances of getting a special pack. On the top, we have one chance and then on the right side of the board, we have three chances and one of them being open up two special packs. So the Monopoly board is looking better just because we can open some better packs. The premium packs just weren't it man, they were absolutely horrible for us. So with that being said, we are going to roll the dice for the first time this episode and we're hoping for special packs. Okay, so we're here rolling for the first time this episode. Right now we are on open up a special pack just because that's one of the spots we changed from last episode. So we're hoping for a two here to open up two special packs with two dice. It's very slim ones that we get. Who knows rolling for the first time and we actually got a two. I can't make this up right now. Oh my God. So like I said, a two is open up two special packs. I'm so excited. So there are so many special packs in the store right now. There's four, five, six, seven special packs. We get to open up two. So what I think I'm going to do is I'm going to go on random.org, pick a number from one to seven and do it twice. And whatever we get, that's the pack we get to open. So we're going to roll a random number twice from one to seven. So first number is a four. Second number is a five. So a four being the utility pack, 20 items, at least eight players and a guaranteed of an 80 overall, 80 plus overall. And then we get a jumbo initial players pack, 20 items, all gold initial players with at least 10, 80 plus overall. So we're starting with the utility pack. Before we do that, 3.3% chance at an 86 plus, 22% chance at an 83 plus. We kind of like that. 450 points down the drain. Hopefully it's going down to a good drain with a purple pole. So here we go. Dennis Malgen being the first card. I'm so excited we get to open up special packs finally, man. So we're hoping that they're going to treat us here. Nothing yet though. We do get a guarantee of an 80 plus. We've yet to get that. So that could be good. It could be bad. We're not too sure. But so far this pack is absolutely horrible. Probably one of the worst special packs we could open. Okay. Susanna Tappanini. Hopefully I said that right. Looks like a good card. 5, 10, 150 pounds, 89 speed, 88 Excel. Pretty good skating stats. Shooting stats aren't the greatest. Hand stats are pretty good. Checking stats are pretty good. We'll take an 84 Susan Tappini. Pretty good card. Who will definitely probably make the team for sure. A center left-handed. All right. We'll take that. Not too shabby. And then we move on to the Jumbo NHL Players packs. 14% chance at an 86 plus. 48% chance at an 84 plus. 97% chance at an 83 plus. So hopefully something helped with the team. 1,200 points for this pack. Got to be something here. Kappu Kaku not going to help us sell. Casey DeSmith won't help us out as well. Okay. Trennan. Okay. Craig Anderson. Not the greatest start to this pack. Rasmus Anderson could possibly take someone out of the lineup. Dame Seaverson. Ryan McDonough. Just a bunch of 81s. Timothy Lilligren. Phillip Ronick. Oh my God. Give me at least an 83 here. Lawson Krauss. Oh my God. Oh my God. Okay. That is probably one of the worst Jumbo NHL players packs I've ever seen. Nothing over an 81. And honest to God, I don't think any of these guys are making the team unfortunately. Tapanini will be replacing Trevor Moore. So let's remove him there. So now it's looking like Tapanini will be playing with Tavares and Troy Terry. And then just for Brackot, D'Amoda is in the fourth line with Rope, Hanson, Victor, Arvidson. Literally the only change we can make. Maybe Rasmus Anderson could come in for Tyson Barry. But right now I'm enjoying Tyson Barry for the time being. We're just going to keep it the way it is. And hop into a game. Here we go. First game. Thompson, Keller and LaTang. And little team there for that guy's top players. We're hoping to go 2-0 again this episode as we did the last one. Alright. He's got Matthews. He's got Crosby. Looks like Ovi on that wing there maybe. It looks like he's got a pretty decent team here. So this shall be an interesting one. There you go, Eichel. Little toe drag. Kind of works out. Eichel to the front of the net. And Jack Eichel. I believe that's his first of the series. Pots it in. It makes it a 1-0 hockey game early on. Things you absolutely just love to see. Oh my, okay. Linus Allmark is... He's got to go, man. He's literally got to go. That is horrible. I was quiet because I honestly thought I was defending that pretty well. That low shot just goes in. Like I need a save there. I'm going to be honest. I need a save there. Let's go to ours. Low shot rebound maybe. There it is. We get it right back. Tappanini. Tappini. Tappan... Tappani? I don't know. Tappani. Tappamini. It's a 2-0 2-1 game. Man, I'm really a boomer. Like I'm starting with the dad jokes here. This isn't great. I don't like this. Montamaras. I see Tappanini. Low shot rebound. Tappan... Tappani. We're tapping another knee. It's a 3-1 game. And I'm... Is this going to lead to a rage quit? Oh my God. It might. Or maybe he's just taking the time out. We don't know. Okay, it looks like it was just a time out. But Tappani... Hopefully I'm saying her name right. Has two goals in her debut. We're a huge fan of this line. I'm not going to lie. Oh, a poke. And it goes right to David Pasternak. All this guy's going for is that wrap shot. And it's a one-goal game once again. Not a fan of that. He's just going for the cheese. Got to respect it. Got to defend it better, I guess. And just like that, it's a tie game. Right after that goal, we're going to take our time out now. Because our team is playing absolutely horrible. Jack Eichel. Whoa, my cave. Marksroom's letting out these rebounds. We're going to keep going for them, man. I thought we had the 4-3 goal right there. It was a very offensive period to say the least. I wonder how this game's going to go for the next two periods. Adam Fox taking her on the net.  I really thought that was a go-ahead goal right there. Here we go. Showfield. She's got the speed for this. This is what she's made for. Showfield. Oh, we get fly poke checked. There it is. Timu Solani.  But we clean it up. Four to three. We need to defend now. Over across. Tapani. Almost gets a hat trick. I really hope I'm saying her name right. Because I've been saying, I've been butchering it this whole time if I haven't been. Jesper Braun. Troy Terry. With the longest shift of his life. But it doesn't matter. He gets a goal out of it. What an absolute hustle shift by Troy Terry. We regain the two-goal lead. Defend is our favorite word right now. Way, way, way better period from us. We got to close out this game. I want this win badly. Oh, he takes a hit to make a play. What a save. Two huge saves from Jacob Markstrom to keep him in this game. Oh, my goodness. Oh, Linus Allmark. That was horrible defense for me. I'll be honest. I played that horribly. Not a great shot again, though. Linus Allmark is kind of pooping the bed right now. I need a better goaltender. Get it across Hughes. That is an absolutely unreal save. Again, Markstrom keep him in this game. There you go, Arvidson. That's a trip. You cannot do that. And Arvidson still has a puck. Oh, my God. Victor Arvidson. Oh, my God. What a shift from Arvidson. We get a power play with 51 and a half seconds to go.  That's a game plan. Jack Eichel looking to end this game. And that is game. Has to be the game. 14.1 seconds. Power play goal. Second of the game from Jack Eichel. It's a seven goal game for our team. Now we really like to see too many goals, but it's fine. And look in here, man. It was a hard fought win. Like I said, we take that. We head back to the board and hoping for some more packs. Back to the board. Straight away. Rolling the dice. Here we go.  Here we go. Right back to the board. Rolling the dice. Straight away. Hoping for something good. And we get an eight. And an eight is open up another special pack. You cannot write it. We are getting so lucky with these rolls. Okay. Once again, we got a generated number from one to seven hoping for the best. We get a five. And that is the Jumbo NHL players pack that did not treat us well last time. Okay. So again, looking at our odds here, let's at least get an 82 plus on this one. 97% chance. 1.2K again for this pack. Give me something good. Let's go. Hard. Hard earned win. Gives me a hard earned good pull. Got to be right. So here we go. Loose suitor. Jake Muzzin. Okay. 80 overalls. Galore again. Purple. 86. Leon Drysidle. Let's go. That is a huge pull. We get our first. I think is this our first purple of the series maybe? I might be to be honest. If it is, it is Mr. Leon Drysidle. That is a huge pull. 86 speed. 86 Excel. Amazing shot. Good face off stats. Huge pull. Leon Drysidle is going to be a huge add to our team and we love to see it. Cam Talbot to continue this pack here. Maybe we can get something else as well. But I doubt it after that purple pull. Pull Dinsky. 82 overalls. Miles Wood. Okay. That can be an upgrade on our left side too. Possibly. Kalyev. And a crab. Crab stuff. So. Miles Wood. And Leon Drysidle. I'm going to help out the team here. That's amazing. So I mean Leon Drysidle is going to come in and replace rope a hints. And then that Miles Wood is going to replace that Jesper Brad. I'm actually excited to try out this Miles Wood. I'm not going to lie. So our fourth line looking different. Tavares gets demoted to the fourth line playing with Arvis and Miles Wood. And then Leon Drysidle will be playing alongside Alexander Ovechkin. And Tay Wouteravine and Jack Eichel gets demoted to the second line playing with Solani and Shofield and then Hughes with Terry and Tapani. Who had a two goal game last game. So the team's looking good. That was a huge pull. I'm excited to try him out. Now here's the thing. This account is lumped by a main account. I do have an X Factor Drysidle. Should I replace the X Factor Drysidle with the 86 Drysidle? You guys let me know in the comment section down below. If not, we will continue to play with the base card. Final game of the episode. McDavid McCann. Headman. Bench Warmer's. Golden Movie. Golden Team Name. Let's try to get a win here. Nice little move. To Tay Wouteravine and oh my god that would have been beautiful.  What a look from Neil Pionk. Oh my goodness that was a beautiful passing play. Beautiful finish from Solani. We're up one to nothing. Let's go. Oh what a deflection man. Okay Barzel tips it in and makes it one to one. Good luck from that guy. Good shot from the point. It is what it is. Okay Linus Almark needs to go. Linus Almark needs to go. Ovechkin bringing it in over across. Tay Wouteravine ties it up. Thank god we are feeling it offensively today. The first line gets it done. Tied up at two. There you go Eichel. Good way to get through. Eichel with a huge shot on goal. Big save from Markstrom though. Another game where just a crazy first period. Last game with six goals in the first. This game it's four. Neither of my opponents or myself can defense apparently. I see Ovechkin.  Tay Wouteravine comes out with that though and he's in a score too. We know that goes in every time. Tay Wouteravine in second of the game. Is that what it just said? If it is a lot of two goal games here. Tay Wouteravine extending our lead by one. I don't think we had the lead once this game. No we did. The opening goal we did. McDavid is a cheat code in this game man.  He blew by everyone. Unfortunate. It's another tied game. Nice little chop from Byrom there. And we're kind of off to the races here. Byrom take the shot. Not the greatest shot. I see oh my god I thought I was going to get across a show field. Show field again to Solani. We are getting so close. Over across. No I wanted that to Solani. This game likes to pick and choose who gets what puck. Absolutely horrible. It is a tight battle man. The amount of shots to always practically similar. And it is three to three. It's a tight hockey game. Old Vechkin take it to the net. That's a good stick. We still have it though. Out of front that's a good poke. There you go Solani.  McCart is racing back towards him. What a save man. I hate myself so much. I hate myself so much. I hate it. If you want an episode I do it to myself. It is what it is we lose this game. That's an unfortunate thing. The game was like that even. We were set to go to three on three overtime.  It happens. Anyways guys that's it for today's Monopoly Hut episode. We almost went two and 0 again. I think we would have won that game if we went into three on three overtime. We just don't know. But if you guys did enjoy the video be sure to drop a like on it. If you guys are new around here make sure to subscribe button down below. We are on the road to 5,000 subscribers. Be sure to tune in to my Twitch stream on Friday November 11th. As I am doing a 15 hour charity stream for November. So hopefully you guys can come. Hang out for a bit. Donate to a good cause. 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