The panic in 1819 was America's first great economic crisis in depression. For the first time in American history, there was a crisis of nationwide scope that could not simply and directly be attributed to specific dislocations and restrictions, such as like famine or wartime blockades. Confronted with a new, vital phenomenon, Americans looked for remedies and for understandings of the causes, the better to apply the remedies. This epoch of American history is a relatively neglected one, and a study of the search for remedies present, an instructive picture of a people coming to grips with the problems of a business depression, problems which, in modified forms, were plagued to Americans until the present day. Those are the words of Murray Rothbard from his dissertation on the Panic of 1819. And we are going to end up diving deeply into the issues involving the second bank of the United States and this economic panic. But before that, we now have a new president here in American history. We have the Monroe administration and to dive into this new period in the greater depths. We are joined once again by Dr. Patrick Newman on Liberty versus Power. Patrick, can you introduce us to James Monroe? He's a character that's a little bit, has been on the margins of our story to this point. He's a negotiator of the now infamous Louisiana Purchase. Before we begin and kind of diving deeper into some of the consequences of this administration, can you let our viewers and our listeners know a little bit more about James Monroe, the man? Sure. So James Monroe is a very interesting character because he started off his career as a noted Virginia anti-Federalist allied with Patrick Henry. Murray Rothbard discusses him in his fifth volume of Conceived in Liberty during the Virginia ratification debates and some of the politics surrounding that. So he started off as a Virginia anti-Federalist. But as time went on by the Jefferson administration, he becomes more and more nationalist. He becomes more and more influenced by Madison. And then he becomes Madison's secretary of state. And by this point in time, he's sort of an establishment Republican, so to speak. So he's a classic moderate Republican during the Madison administration. And then later on becomes really one of the preeminent nationalist Republicans. So these are the big government Republicans. They're very similar to the federalists in policy, but they wanted to be in control of things instead of the federalists. So Madison, excuse me, Monroe is in charge of the country now. This is the so-called era of good feelings. It's really more accurately described as an era of corruption because the national Republicans are in total control, and they're using this time to sort of continue to fasten various crony special privileges onto the American economy. So Monroe is kind of in charge of this. He's not necessarily a major player, but he is a president sympathetic to central banking, tariffs, internal improvements, foreign interventions, and so on. So in many cases, unfortunately, he starts off as someone who is ready to reform the system. He's fighting the Constitution. He supports states' rights and small government. But given enough time in the swamp, so to speak, he soon becomes just a standard Madison disciple, so to speak. So this is a, yeah. And of course, during this time, it's not as if you're going to have some sort of trailblazing outsider coming in and changing up the political dynamic of the party, and there's still a deeply controlled system for electing presidents that the Federalist Party has wounded for all the reasons involved in the War of 1812 and other problems that we've talked about in the past. You weren't going to get some sort of reformist. You were going to get a continuation of this Virginia dynasty, which have now controlled American politics for a very long time at this point. Yeah, exactly. And you're starting to see a familiar pattern. This is something a lot of people might not understand now, given current politics. But back then, it was becoming abundantly clear, and we'll see how this plays a role in the notorious election of 1824 and sort of a corrupt bargain of 1825. The Secretary of State position is seen as a reliable stepping stone into the presidency. So at this point with Monroe, you've had Presidents Washington, Adams, Jefferson, Madison and Monroe. So you're seeing a precedent where Jefferson was Secretary of State. He then became President Madison was Secretary of State. He then became President Monroe was Secretary of State. He became President. Seemed as though being Secretary of State would get you into that coveted presidential job. And Monroe was no different in this regard, as we spoke about earlier. In the last episode, he had beaten William Crawford sort of in the Republican caucus. William Crawford had decided to run, then he didn't and so on. And this was kind of the old Republicans last hope to try and have some sort of good President during this time period. But instead you have Monroe and you also have his Vice President, Daniel Tompkins of New York, who was really notable for just being an alcoholic at this time period. So it wasn't really up to much. But anyway, so you've got the Monroe administration and far from it being, as I mentioned, an era of good feelings. This is usually the term, most traditional American histories, how they describe this era because they say, well, it was only one party. The Federalists were gone. You just said the National Republicans. In fact, it was really an era of bad feelings. There's a lot of acrimony. There's a lot of bitterness, fighting. But more prominently from the perspective of our podcast, it was an era of intense cronyism. An era of intense corruption and monetary cronyism really stood at the forefront. That's one of the things I love about the narrative of your book is this period in particular when you flip sort of this narrative on the head because, again, like that, that is the textbook era of good feelings sort of selling point of this period. And then it's interesting because I think about it now. I presume this has a lot to do with just kind of perception that we have transcended party politics, the benefits of the uniparty, nothing helps really ingrain a propaganda narrative quite like a single party controlling all aspects of government at this point. But there seems to be this built in longing within kind of American discourse of imagine how much better off we would be if only we didn't have this petty politics infighting and things like that where, no, it's precisely this period of time where you very much have such some of those vulgar examples, I think of cronyism, we're going to dive into a particular second, making the United States, which justifies all of the cartoonish depictions of it as this great monster. But not to put you too much on the spot, but how far back has this portrayal of this period as an era of good feelings been baked into the American history? Was that a kind of a byproduct of the newspapers back in the day presenting it? Or is this more of a modern construction of it in many ways? It's kind of a modern construction. There was a famous book, I believe the name is by George Dangerfield. I want to say about this spoke about this period. And a lot of it is a sort of a standard account of the period. A lot of it is a way it's just taught in American history classes where you got to have something bridging the War of 1812 and Andrew Jackson. So you got this period in this one party and it's easy for people to understand because we've told people that you've got these two parties and they've always been fighting and now that you have this one party. Well, it's got to be clearly you got this harmony and well now we're finally done with this political infighting and all this stuff. And a lot of people think that you can have government without politics, government without this partisan bickering when it's really built into the sea, into the very roots of the government structure, as we've described so many times before. And it is something that I think doesn't really get properly appreciated because I if someone were to ask me what's my favorite part in this book, we've got five parts, I'd probably actually say the era of corruption. Just because I find it so interesting, it's so neglected and there's just so much stuff going on. A lot of times it's just you just skim through it in traditional histories. It's like, all right, well, you need something to bridge between Jefferson and Jackson and OK, maybe there was this crisis over slavery regarding the Missouri crisis and the compromise. And all right, then there's that. And then we get to the election of 1828 in Jackson and then blah, blah, blah, blah, and then we're off to the races doing that. I think this this period is a fascinating era because you see a transition not only in terms of just the political battles, but also in terms of the individuals, the heroes and the villains, so to speak, the old characters kind of fade out of the scene. Jefferson's getting old. You know, he dies in 1826. The you start to see some of these new people that we have mentioned guys like Andrew Jackson, Martin Van Buren, various individuals associated with the National Republicans, Henry Clay, Daniel Webster. And these are the characters that will sort of define the leading debates regarding cronyism in the 1820s, 1830s, 1840s. And then until the 1850s, when then you see sort of a new cast of characters sort of take take hold in American history. And so I always find this era of corruption absolutely fascinating. I think it's just totally misunderstood. I think a big reason for that is that most histories do not concentrate on the panic of 1819, as you've mentioned, using the quote from Murray Rothbard. It's that episode is a really defining event in American history, and it's something that a lot of people don't understand or properly appreciate. It's also classic Rothbard that, you know, his PhD dissertation is on the panic of 1819. And he writes on the definitive history, you know, kind of touching on an overlooked period of time that is, you know, a really a lot of relevance within kind of just how the financial system is shaping there on after and that his work, Dr. Jonathan Newman highlighted a few years ago how the Federal Reserve itself was literally just plagiarizing from Murray's analysis on this period without giving him credits. That's one of the big victories for the other Dr. Newman. But it just is a classic Murray that this is this is what he's writing his PhD on back in the day. And it just it seems to be such a perfect sort of core of so much of Rothbardian themes throughout the rest of his career. Yeah, absolutely. And this panic, this is his dissertation, the panic of 1819. I've been on some standard history podcasts, notably the age of Jackson to actually talk about Rothbard's dissertation because it is something that is still cited because it's one of the authoritative discussions of the panic of 1819. There's been a new book that came out about a couple of years ago by Andrew Browning, I think, on the panic of 1819, which, you know, probably in the way the historical literature goes, we'll slowly supersede, you know, in terms of the citation battle. But in a lot of standard histories, when there's some discussion of the panic of 1819, they would actually give lip service to Rothbard. You couldn't say the same thing for America's Great Depression or man economy and state, et cetera. But this was a this is a dissertation that provided a lot of value to the historical community, just in terms of an immense amount of information. I also do find it funny. I remember when Jonathan had pointed out that the Federal Reserve was maybe not doing the scholarly thing with Rothbard's dissertation, taking the scholarly path and instead just sort of plagiarizing from it. Well, the whole reason Rothbard's PhD got delayed was because Arthur Burns was in a big fight with Rothbard's dissertation advisor, Joseph Dorfman, over the evolution of the project, and it was only when Burns left to become to join Eisenhower's Council of Economic Advisers. And then later, the Federal Reserve that Rothbard is able to get his PhD. So in this case, the Federal Reserve is just it's just not giving Rothbard any credit. There's just multiple issues there. But it really is an important defining element of American history because it's a great instance of cronyism and it also kind of reignites. It puts the fire under the bellies of a lot of the people who would become major reformers in the Jacksonian era. When it seems like after the War of 1812, the old Republican coalition was dead. The National Republicans had taken control and it seemed as though everything was going to be the gate was open, they'd be able to do whatever they wanted. But the panic of 1819 came and it really kind of put a through a big monkey wrench into all of their plans. Before we go and really start diving in deeper into the second bank of the United States and, you know, more about the panic. You know, I want to take a little bit of time to focus on one of the individuals you mentioned previously, which is Henry Clay, one of those future Secretary of States, because he's one of those figures that that really is one of the iconic National Republicans, you know, the man most credited with the American system, which is going to take up a great deal of the next few episodes. You know, Clay, I think he's one of those characters that historians love, right?  You know, we were moving away from sort of the literary period to the great orator to the great performers in the legislature. And Clay, who I'm one of his big early breaks, he's one of the lawyers, actually, of during the treason trial for Aaron Burr back in the day. But can you just touch a little bit about, you know, Henry Clay, how he gets to this part of prominence and in also some of his kind of business dealings. I know Dr. DeLorenzo within Hamilton's Curse. You know, you got to renamed it Clay's Curse for the degree that which he highlights some of the his own cronyism involved in all this sort of stuff. But I know he's going to be a figure that's going to come up a lot when it comes to the defense and the promotion of the Second Bank of the United States before we go deeper into those those kind of historical issues, kind of expand more on the person. Henry Clay, who is now Speaker of the House, if I believe if I understand correctly during during this time, right? Yeah, so Henry Clay is a noted Speaker of the House. He's one of those politicians who a lot of people would say he was sort of, I guess, the the Buffalo Bills where they would run, they went to the Super Bowl four times in a row and they never got a Super Bowl champion. Henry Clay was a perennial runner for the president. The presidency, he got the nomination a couple of times, but he just never was able to get the top prize. So it's one of those politicians alongside John Sherman in the late 1800s, who a lot of people thought if they had to bet money, that he would have gotten the presidency at one point, but he never did. And that was something that always tormented him. And Clay, as you've mentioned, is in many ways kind of a bridge between, say, a Hamilton, the Hamiltonian cronyism, the Hamiltonian system and the Lincoln, Lincolnian cronyism, I guess is the way the way you'd put it. Clay is is that individual from the 1820s to the early 1850s. Then in many ways embodies that big government central banking protective tariffs, foreign intervention on certain aspects and pro-public works and internal improvements. So he's kind of that bridge between Hamilton and Lincoln. And Clay himself, he was, you look at his family background. He had, you know, I believe he married the daughter of a wealthy Kentucky businessman. He himself was involved in hemp production, which of course might seem a little hypocritical, given that he was not hypocritical, just a little a little blatant cronyism, given that he was always promoting protective tariffs, including on hemp to block Russian hemp. He was a very big proponent of central banking and he got money through the central bank, the second bank of the United States. So he was someone who was willing to advocate government intervention. But of course, he wanted a little cut of the pie for himself. And so Clay emerges as a big figure during this time period, someone who would contest with individuals such as Andrew Jackson, Martin Van Buren, and even Thomas Hart Betten, a relatively neglected individual from Missouri, who we hopefully will get into. We'll talk about this time period. But Clay is a fascinating character and he is one of the defining cronies of this era. And it's interesting that if I recall correctly, he was never a federalist, right? I mean, which again, just shows the degree to which the Republican term didn't mean anything. But here you have the man who perhaps more than anyone else continued the Hamiltonian line within the legislature and not necessarily the court system, which, you know, and all this sort of stuff. But within the legislature, you know, perhaps the great air of Hamiltonian thought was a lifelong Republican, at least the name only, right? Yeah, absolutely. So when you're looking at the. Yeah, when you're looking at the people in the 1820s, many of them, they had sort of cut their teeth in the political realm in the 1800s, 1810s, and they had sort of grown up thinking that Republican idea, you know, the Republican ideology was maybe something closer to the moderate Republicans. So Clay had grown up as a Republican. He was not a federalist. He had initially actually fought central banking, at least he fought the renewal of the the recharter for the first bank of the United States, not out of any ideological principle, but because he had owned stock in various banks that wanted to get some of that bank's deposit. So he wasn't against central banking. He just wanted to benefit his own banking interests, make sure that the banks that he had owned stock in would receive some of the government subsidy of the government deposits at the first bank of the United States and so on. But he is really, that's a good point. You I'm glad you brought this up because it just shows you how much the Republican Party had changed since the 1790s and how Clay was able to facilitate his cronyism through the Republican Party, you know, using that Republican Party mantle. And Clay in many ways is ultimately why that Republican Party disintegrated in that it no longer became a major political party. It had become totally unidentifiable with the original Jeffersonian Republican Party. OK, well, if we're going to get into the panic of 1819, we must kind of get used to the second bank of the United States back bigger than ever. We touched a little bit on the power brokers on the last episode, you know, but of the founders, you have Stephen Gerard and John Jacob Astor, who is the richest man in the United States, I believe at this point, from right off the back, there is a major sort of scandal brewing with the who actually owns stock and shares of this bank. You know, so right from the get go, you have people breaking the legal statutes on how much individual actors can actually control this new institution put in place during the at the end of the Madison era. Can you touch on the sort of the the the aspects of the origins of this bank, which really kind of start highlighting kind of the really vulgar, corruptive aspects of this institution can get right baked right into its bones from the very beginning. Yeah, so as we mentioned earlier, John Jacob Astor and Gerard, they were very big in pushing for the bank during the War of 1812 and then after in the last basically 1816 the end of the Madison administration. Why? Well, because they had bought a tremendous amount of government debt. This was debt that they bought at depreciated rates. It was very risky. And they wanted to increase the value of the debt. And one way to do that would be to create a central bank and whose stock could be purchased with government debt. So this increased the demand for government debt, increasing the price and would make it a less risky investment in what actually allow Astor and Gerard to receive quite a handsome return on their investment. This is very similar to the debt speculators at the beginning of the country's founding. And it's very similar with the beginning of the the first bank of the United States under Alexander Hamilton. So they try during the War of 1812 they fail. They try again after the War of 1812 they succeed. And both of these individuals they're very excited about using this bank, right? And they think the profits are going to be immense. But what often happens in American history is you have competing power groups. So competing groups of elites in their sort of wrangling for control of the appropriate machinery. And sometimes one group can kick out another group and so on. And so while they still did benefit from the increase in the price of the debt, they weren't able to really exercise control in their institution. Because for lack of a better term, swashbucklers from Baltimore more or less wrestled control in these guys. They were just kind of looking to loot the bank for their own benefit and just engage in sort of fraud and illegal actions and stuff that's cronyism. It's not just necessarily just cronyism from government intervention. It's just blatantly breaking the law and things of that nature. So what happens is the government appoints its various directors. It is able to appoint, because it owns one-fifth of the bank. It's able to appoint one-fifth of the directors. But then there has to be some sort of decision on the bank's president. So the bank's regional branches, they had presidents. But the main branch, okay, what's going to be the, who's going to be running the show in Philadelphia? And what happens is Baltimore financiers are able to wrestle away control from Aster and Gerard because they're using proxies. So sometimes various government regulations, the people writing these laws recognize that elites might try to dominate an institution. So they think they can prevent this by putting in safeguards, limiting the amount of ownership an individual can control, or the amount of voting power an individual can control regardless of their ownership. And this is supposed to make the process more democratic. Well, one easy way of getting around this is you use proxies. So various people, I think there was an example. The name was George Williams, I want to say. And he was a lawyer and he literally had like, using his clients and he was able to vote under his client's names. And it was basically just proxies that he was able to amass an absurd amount of voting power. And it was through this that the Baltimore financiers were able, basically able to elect, I think a former secretary of the Navy, just sort of a bumbling William Jones to the presidency. And this guy, Aster and Gerard weren't a fan of, because they realized he would basically be susceptible to Baltimore financiers, right? And so through this, you then start to see during this period after the War of 1812, the boom years of the panic of 1819, individuals associated with the Baltimore branch really do abuse the public's trust. They're lending money to themselves illegally without getting approval from the main board. They're using bribe money to pay people off, including the President William Jones and so on. And it's just really kind of this ugly scandal where you see how, all right, you get this government institution, the government says, yes, this central bank will promote the public welfare and all of this. And then like right from the get go, various cronies are taking control and then they're able to just basically loot it for their own gain. And it really just kind of casts a really bad perspective on government-run enterprises. There's several sort of kind of figures going on here. It's interesting the degree to which a lot of this, the problems with the Bank of the United States, a lot of these were regional, and again, particularly with the dealings on within Baltimore itself. And you had people like James Buchanan, who I don't believe was the president, right? No, no, no, no, no, yeah. Samuel Smith, who I believe was a senator at the time, you mentioned Williams. Literally, again, making loans to friends without even recording it, I mean, it was just some of the most blatant vulgar corruption that goes on. And of course, one of the people, one of the masterminds behind it is, it was first at McCullough. Yeah, James. James McCullough, who, we're going to get into the importance of Supreme Court battles over this in the 1819. But again, it's just a fascinating degree to which can ramp it, unstopped corruption within this bank. And the amount of consolidation here, you mentioned 15 individuals controlled 75% of all the Baltimore banks this time. And this was a time where we saw also, in part because we have gotten rid of species requirements right on banking policies in the United States, following the end of the Maddison administration. This is also a period where we're seeing an expansion of bank branches around the country, which is having a massive increase in just kind of banknotes and fiduciary media out there in the economy. Can you talk a little bit about this aspect of where the economy is right now beyond the structural issues of this new national bank? What is the landscape of the larger banking environment in the United States? Yes, that's a great question. So after the War of 1812, or during the War of 1812, there was a suspension of species payments. Banks and the government, for its treasury notes, they were not redeeming them in specie. And after the War, various people, many politicians, wanted to return to the gold standard, etc., boost American credit abroad, and so on. In order to return to the gold standard, you would have to either, unless you wanted to basically reduce the value of the dollar abroad, or reduce how much it was worth in terms of dollars, you had to either let the country grow up to its money supply by increasing the supply of goods, and that would slowly lower prices, or you would contract currency, and this would lower prices, and it would make it feasible for banks to return to the gold standard. So the contraction of the currency was proposed by old Republicans at this time period, but the national Republicans wanted to have their cake and eat it too. They wanted to basically say, okay, let's have banks resume species payments, but instead of them being forced to contract, we will have the second bank of the United States lend them money to help them do this. This was really just kind of pushing the problem, just kind of shifting the burden around, because what this was doing was, instead of causing species to leave the banks, it would cause species to leave the second bank of the United States. This is talk about sort of approximate cause of the panic of 1819, but it was really just, it was similar to the 1920s, if you've read Rothbard's America's Great Depression, when Great Britain is trying to return to the gold standard, but at the same time, instead of engaging in contractionary monetary policy, it's engaging in expansionary monetary policy. These are mutually contradictory. You can't get both. You can't have your cake and eat it too, but various politicians, they thought they could get away with this. So the monetary system at this time period is sort of in shambles. It's not really a hard money system. There's been this great proliferation of banks during the war, and many politicians are eager to return to species payments, but they don't want to have to make the necessary sacrifices in order to do so. And at the same time, we have land, we've got so much land out there, the governments using that, we're still recovering from the old Yazoo scandal. Can you talk a little bit about government's treatment of land at this time as well, playing a role in terms of lowering interest rates, and its role in expanding sort of the credit during this era? Yeah, absolutely. So on top of having the banking system expanding credit, and this is lowering interest rates, it's encouraging businesses to take out loans for various projects like farm improvement, steamship building, and so on, various higher order goods that an Austrian business cycle theory would argue is what would be stimulated during an inflationary bubble. You also had the government that was providing land to settlers on credit. So there's this big issue, you know, since the 1790s, the forces of small government wanted cheap land that would be available only to homesteaders, so for homesteaders to actually acquire the land from the government for very low price or free. Again, this is normal, the government doesn't, this is a good thing. The government really doesn't own the land, it's just kind of claiming ownership and these land prices, they're sort of taxes on settlers that they have to pay in order to claim ownership of something that they themselves homesteaded. So the government compromised during about like 20 years ago, the late 1790s, early 1800s, and it said, okay, well we won't lower land prices, but we will, we won't lower them that much, but we will allow settlers to obtain land on credit. Okay, so the government's not necessarily engaging in credit expansion, but it's just collecting, racking up, you know, it's keeping like a balance sheet of the various people who are bar, you are borrowing from them. So if you want to buy X amount of acres, then the government is going to say, okay, you owe us this amount in the future. And so as the years went on, more and more settlers started to rack up debt, especially after the War of 1812, when you just started to see a lot of people move out west. So similar to the housing crisis of about 15 years ago, not only was the Federal Reserve, not only was the second bank of the United States pumping in new money into the economy, the federal government was also incentivizing settlers to become highly indebted, basically because they wanted to try and have their cake and eat it too, get more people to settle out west without actually having to lower land prices. And this turned out to be a very big issue because settlers were racking up a tremendous amount of debt, debt that they might not be able to pay back. So we have low interest rates we've got, people buying stuff they can't afford, everything's going crazy. And as you mentioned earlier, now you have the hard money of gold leaving the second bank of the United States, which causes them to have to start to reverse policies. And we have a contraction now going on as the second bank of the United States is now calling in loans and trying to bring things back in. One of the things I think is interesting with when you kind of illustrate this period is that in spite of this being a financial contraction, in spite of this creating issues within bank notes and within the financial sector, during this period, real economic activity kind of keeps going on in spite of the turbulence in the financial sector. So can you talk a little bit about that aspect of it? You mentioned there's no bank rents going on, there's not a major stock market crash. What is it that people felt in the period during the reversal of these incredible expansionist policies, the reversal of that? Yeah, so what they were mainly seeing is, and they were mainly experiencing was a decline in nominal value. So a decline in prices of goods they were selling, so crops and other maybe various manufactured goods, a decline in wages, a decline in some stock prices, a decline in the value of their land, et cetera. And at the time, because economic data was not easy to come by, and many people were sort of focusing on what was happening in their local economy or their specific region of the United States, they didn't realize that it, that's all it was, or for the most part, it wasn't a decline in real values, a decline in real output, it was only just a decline in nominal values, okay, so just prices. So businesses might be earning less money, but they weren't really taking into account that they were paying less in costs, right? Workers might be earning less in wages, but they didn't really realize that the prices of goods that they were buying had also fallen. So if your nominal income falls by 10% but prices of goods fall by let's say 8%, then instead of having a 10% cut in your standard of living, it's actually about a 2% cut, which is still serious, but it's not nearly as bad as a 10% cut, right? So during this time period, when you actually look at the economic data that we have in terms of overall production and output, etc., the actual panic of 1819 wasn't that serious, it was a little bit of a downturn in 1819, 1820, but beyond then, beyond that, the economy was growing vigorously, the fallen prices was matched by a fall in costs and so on, so real income was back up, etc. You look at GDP per capita statistics, so GDP per person, those were growing in the 1820s and so on, but what's important from the perspective of my book, and just the consequences of the panic of 1819 was that people thought they were getting poor. So this led to a lot of issues. It led to various problems. There was a great amount of indebtedness and of course bankruptcies. People are concentrating on those bankruptcies, not realizing that resources are getting reallocated and they're being used elsewhere in the economy, and so on. So this is a classic example of how a lot of economists argue that business cycles in the 1800s were very severe, but when you look at the data, they actually weren't and this is because people confused, both past and present, they confused falling prices with falling real incomes when that's not necessarily the case. And so at this time, so we have the psychological loss of this financial crisis and then it's about the same period where the corruption, the vulgar corruption of the Second Bank of the United States is coming out. The combination of these two, the political ramifications here I think is really, really fascinating because you basically have these two different camps. On the one side, you have the defenders of everything that's going on. You have your Henry Clay's. You have your propagandist for the bank, which include a lot of very interesting figures like Frederick List, who's a German economist who is studying in the United States at this time, defending this institution. You have the old Hamiltonian guard that will still defend the importance of these things. But the other side of it though, you have kind of the rising of a radicalized hard money, bank skeptic, free market, intellectual vanguard. You mentioned how there is renewed interest in the ideas of economists like Jean Baptiste and the Tracy. I know I'm butchering that name. Can you talk a little bit about this dynamic where you have, within this Republican party, you have two very much different camps respond to this intellectually. I think this is stuff I love with in American history. The panic of 1819, you had this, the second bank of the United States caused this big credit bubble, and then it contracts to save itself from going illiquid if it's losing too much species. William Gouch had the famous quote, the bank was saved, but the people were ruined. This caused a lot of controversy. People were upset about this. They were upset that there was this downturn going on started in basically February of 1819 right around the scandals of the Baltimore branch being exposed. And then especially after basically those individuals get off with a slap in the light slap on the wrist.  There's no consequences at all to this stuff. Yeah. Basically, and this infuriates people because it seems that, well, this bank is basically this giant monster, this hydra, if you will, that's corrupting the very fibers of the government. And so you see this growth in either the hard money forces, the people who are opposed to central banking. They're opposed to fractional reserve banking. They want to reform the monetary system along the lines that Jefferson proposed in the 1790s, but he didn't really carry out in his first administration. And then you see the soft money forces, the guys of Henry Clay, Daniel Webster, John Quincy Adams, even John Marshall, et cetera, who are basically advocating, yeah, well, this central bank is good. It's actually we need more central banking because in order to stabilize the economy and to promote economic growth and so on. And this was really kind of dovetailed nicely with these new intellectual works coming out. Some of us says and the Tracey's works had to suit the Tracey's works were being translated into English and promoted partially one individual who's doing this was Thomas Jefferson, which I think is really cool. He's once he's out of power, he's kind of back in the saddle for laissez-faire as I put it. And that just shows you how he was just really a good ideologue. And he was always someone better outside of office than in office. I believe Murray Rothbard once said that. And you see that these individuals are advocating, well, they're anti-central banking. They're arguing, well, we need to either have 100% reserves or some form of free banking among fractional reserve banks. So to promote competition, this would limit credit expansion. And then you're seeing various American system economists of the Henry Clay variety, they're promoting additional government intervention, they're justifying the central bank and so on and even some establishment periodicals, they're doing this. And so this is something I try and hammer home all the time in my book as well as when I'm giving talks and et cetera, you've got the abstract theory that various economists and intellectuals develop and that has to actually get filtered down to the masses in some way. So either through newspapers or shorter writings, et cetera, many Americans had learned of say the writings of say through college, say's work was a very popular college textbook, et cetera. And this is how ideas get filtered down and why you need sort of that structure of production. So the forces of liberty had kind of amassed the structure of production. And this led to this really brilliant, I'd say heroic, resurgence of hard money thought that would exert a very important influence in American history in the decades to come. Diving even further down to this battle, I mean, I think Women Mary, right, Thomas Jefferson required had say's book, textbook within Women Mary in particular, if we're looking at on the other side, I love highlighting the national intelligentsia that, which is a weapon of the nationalist, you know, pro-central banking Republicans that that not only gets, not only out there defending the actions of the second bank of the United States, but then has it followed up with lucrative contracts given to this publication, you know, by the government. So, you know, you have that aspect of it very much. And again, this is the same way the Federal Reserve acts right now, right? You know, one of the largest sources of grant money within the economic profession is the Federal Reserve. Surprise, surprise, the majority of the research coming out from the economic profession is very pro-central banking, right? We saw this happening right back then. I think also the importance of, again, the newspaper industry is drawn down purely ideological lines, their roles and responsibilities in terms of educating the public on the ideological line. And this is where this battle of ideas really was going on during this period. There was no sort of, you know, fair and balanced, you know, beyond politics sort of arguments being made from these publications. I mean, these are publications with agendas. And I also love, get another point in favor of just the plotting of the second bank United States allies, the fact that the main offices were located in Lexington and Louisville, Kentucky, a tip of the hat to Speaker Clay. Again, I just really, really on the nose within that one. Let's also just identify some of the hard money individuals that you highlight, because I think it's interesting. We have to be thinking about different sections of the country in particular during this period. But this is something that was making moves and motivating different camps within the Republican Party around the country. So in Tennessee, we have Mr. Jackson, as well as a James K. Polk, who might be relevant later on. In Missouri, we have our good friend, Thomas Hart-Bitten, and Amos Kendall. With in New York, we have what's interesting is kind of two different factions joining on the hard money issue between the Clintonians and the uprising Van Buren gang, who, you know, we're on different sides of other issues, but have now joined on this particular topic. Is there anything that we need to really, yeah, a lot of these actors are going to come up in various episodes? Is there anything else you want to add on to? Again, we see these fault lines really forming on both sides in ways that are really going to play out when Andrew Jackson comes in charge. Is there anything you want to add on to that? Yeah, really just to emphasize, as you mentioned, these fault lines were developing. A lot of the characters that we'll be talking about had kind of, as I mentioned, cut their teeth during this issue. That's when they hone their skills. So you have Henry Clay and Daniel Webster, two notorious wigs in ardent defenders of central banking in the Jacksonian years. We're working for the central bank. They were getting money from the central bank. Sort of a conflict of interest, as any person would argue that, well, you're having politicians, they're getting paid. Daniel Webster, one of my favorite individuals, not in terms of I respect the man, but I just really enjoy just talking about him because he's absolutely so venal. He's a congressman and later a senator in Massachusetts. And it just totally in the pockets as we'll see as this group of manufacturers and merchants known as the Boston Associates. And really Daniel Webster, he followed one principle his entire life, followed the money. He has some great quotes where he's writing letters to the central bank saying, I want my retainer renewed or refreshed as usual. Basically saying, if you want me to keep defending this institution, you better pay up. And so he's starting his career really at this time. And of course, the crony connections are obvious. Guys like, as you've mentioned, Andrew Jackson is really starting his political career in many ways by fighting central banking, by fighting the second bank of the United States in Tennessee, trying to stop the establishment of a branch there. You got Thomas Hart-Benton, as we've mentioned, Martin Van Buren, and various intellectuals or policy analysts, guys like Amos Kendall, an individual who Murray Rothbard includes in his history of economic thought. He actually was a utility theorist. He wrote some articles and stuff on utility as the source of value. And this is opposed to like labor. So this is his big thing. Rothbard gives him his credit. And this is the same guy who we now know wrote Andrew Jackson's bank veto. So I mentioned in my book, it's actually not Roger Tawny. A lot of people thought it was him. Turns out it was Amos Kendall, right? He wrote the bank veto, right? Jackson commissioned him. Tawny maybe did like a couple edits, but it was Kendall. And so you got this utility theorist. He's also fighting central banking. This is like this, this giant heroic thing. I don't know. I'm sure Rothbard was very happy at that connection. But just that these individuals, they start their careers as a result of the Panic of 1819. And all of their policy actions, the Jacksonians later did vetoing, Jackson vetoing the Second Bank of the United States, Martin Van Buren establishing the Independent Treasury, Jacksonians fighting bank charters on the state level through general incorporation laws and free banking laws and so on. This is all emerged as a result of the Panic of 1819. It was a very traumatic event, much more important to the average person in the Missouri crisis of the same year. And it is something that really hardened the battle lines regarding cronyism and really the great struggle between liberty and power. I also love that it's people like Clay and Webster that are just so romanticized in American history. These are the men that we are told are the great men of this era. If one of them had been elected president, they'd have gone down in history as one of the top 15 presidents of all time, no matter what happened. A lot of them have been completely disastrous when on their administration just because, again, just the way they're just so romanticized, there's just something about them that seems to just boil or play in your mainstream just a story and really tend to fetishize some of these types of personalities involved. One last thing on this topic before we get into McCullough versus Madison, you highlight how the policy reaction to the Panic of 1819, often from who we would consider the right side of this, the hard money, bank skeptic class. Unfortunately, their legislative moves to this were in some ways actually detrimental to the banking environment. Because they're responsive. They see these banks acting irresponsibly. And so their reaction is, okay, we're going to make it harder to create, to chart a new banks. We're going to shut down in some ways this industry where what it's actually doing is protecting the current actors within the industry and preventing some sort of market mechanism, something that is resembling free banking and Louis von Mises' idea that if you have a true banking system, it's going to lead to a lot more responsible policies in terms of credit expansion and the like. So even though their instincts, they were analyzing the situation, they were recognizing the proper the true problems with that economic system, the policy response wasn't necessarily what the doctor was asking for. Can you touch on that a little bit? Yeah, absolutely. Because this is an important issue that sometimes the best intention reforms might actually make problems worse. You have to have the right economics backing the reform. So this is something that had kind of plagued various opponents of monetary cronyism. Since the 1700s, partially I would say one of the reasons because Adam Smith himself wasn't that great on money. He had become sort of an apologist for the Bank of England. And this is something Hamilton used to leverage to full effect. People would criticize the central bank or they criticize these monopolistic licenses known as bank charters. They didn't really know what to replace it with. So some people said that bank charters are bad. We're creating these monopoly corporations. So therefore, we need to grant even less bank charters. You would think that, okay, actually, well, that might make sense, right? You got these things are bad. So you want to have less of these things. But by doing so, you're actually strengthening the existing licensed companies because they're not facing any competition. So in Virginia, in New York, there were various proposals to restrict banking or to restrict the number of charters. And you think that, okay, that's actually going to make a difference, but it's actually strengthening the underlying banking oligarchy. So you really didn't have until the 1830s or so, the development or at least the development of the free banking doctrine in the United States by Jacksonians William Cullen Bryant and William Leggett. These were individuals that realized that the actually the adverse clearing mechanism restrains credit expansion.  We weren't there yet regarding sort of the proto Jacksonian coalition that was forming. Okay, and this is what we'll talk more about this once we get into the bank war of Andrew Jackson's era. But it is important to note that there was this issue over how to reform the system. And the advocates of liberty, the forces of liberty, they weren't quite there. They weren't quite yet there, so to speak. One of the great tragedies of early American history is the fact that Richard Cantillon's essay on economic theory was not translated into English into until I believe the first copy came out in 1931. And as Mark Thornton will tell you, the first accurate translation did not come about until much later. But that would have solved a lot of the issues that Adam Smith had on the money side of things.  And maybe we could have solved some of this stuff back in the 1820s. And yeah, just to interject here, I do think it's notable that the early laissez-faire economists were relying, say like the Jeffersonians, they were relying more on Smith. And also some of John Taylor of Caroline, he was really America's first economist, and he was a part politician too. But when you see this emergence of free banking, and you see this much more radical hard money thought, this is when those French economists, although say consider himself a Smithian, as Rothbard points out, he did, but he was really closer to the Cantillon-Turkgo line of things. Once those guys actually exert their influence along American intellectuals and American politicians, that's when you actually start to see the monetary reforms passed. I think that's something that is definitely is not a coincidence. So one last topic that we must cover, you know, perhaps the most important Supreme Court case is McCulloch versus Madison, and Maryland, sorry, McCulloch versus Maryland. And this goes back to our dear friends with the Baltimore branch of the Second Bank of the United States, where what McCulloch is battling against is Maryland's attempt to protect the people of its state from this corrupt central bank. And, you know, McCulloch sues, saying that the bank is constitutional, the state has no right to interfere. They're trying to place a tax on bank notes for banks not chartered in the state of Maryland, which only pertain to the Second Bank of the United States. Are my details on there correct? And can you just talk a little bit about the Supreme Court case? Yeah, absolutely. So this was a famous case that was emerging. So this is the same McCulloch who was embezzling. He himself just basically refused to pay the tax, and that's why it's called McCulloch versus Maryland. Basically, Maryland was trying to tax the bank like it attacks its own state banks and saying that, well, the federal government is not above Maryland. Other states were doing this. The Second Bank of the United States basically tells the states to go pound salt and saying, no, we're not going to pay. And so this court case winds up in the Supreme Court, and then you're getting the lovely John Marshall and veteran land speculator and former investment partner of Robert Morris, a true crony among cronies. We had to fit Robert Morris in one more time. I had to fit him in one more time. I can't let him go. And he's deciding that he's ruling on this court case. And you really get the whole cast of characters, Clay and Webster, you know, they're defending the bank. You even get old Luther Martin who's attacking the bank. He's a great anti-Federalist, Maryland anti-Federalist. He's one of the few hardcore anti-Federalist present at the Constitutional Convention. Luther Martin, though he had joined the Federalist Party simply because he hated Jefferson and Madison, much like Patrick Henry. He had spent his waning years still fighting government as well as he was also apparently a notorious alcoholic too. So he's sort of attacking the bank in the court and I'm assuming just smells like alcohol and all of this. And he's inebriated and everything, but he's got the right idea. It's the thought that counts. And maybe he knows how to drown his sorrows knowing which way the government's going to go on this. And so the Supreme Court basically rules that, no, the states cannot tax the bank. The bank is the federal government. The federal government is above the states. And John Marshall, an individual who owned stock in the bank, he sold it right before the court case. But again, it's just really one of those little details you never hear about. But like you're like, oh, okay, maybe that's slight conflict of interest among many other things. Basically says, well, the federal government can do whatever it wants. So he used this, I use this case as an opportunity to really flex the broad constructionist that old Hamiltonian interpretation of the US Constitution. The interpretation that I would say is right, not that I agree with, but I would say is actually what the Constitution was intended to do. If you look at the constitutional convention debates and the ratification debates, and you look at what Murray Rothbard wrote in the fifth volume of Conceived in Liberty, and he basically says, yeah, the federal government could do whatever it wants. It's necessary and proper. It's everything under the sun. And really just the federal government can't be touched, not only the bank, but just the federal government, the federal government is supreme over the states. And this is really a really big shock to a lot of people because they had seen some warning signs or some earlier Supreme Court cases, but this is truly people thought that, okay, the anti-federalists were right. The US Constitution is this big government document that basically allows the government to do whatever it wants. And it really kind of shook a lot of people into the state's rights direction. And so there we have it, one of the most important Supreme Court cases of all time. The case that solidified that the Constitution succeeded at its core of forcing all the states into a union that they cannot, that they have no more control over was all an attempt to defend some of the most vulgar corruption from the banking system that this country has. Well, I mean, they've continued legacy in many, many ways. But I mean, at this time, the most vulgar examples of it. And again, this is the stuff, the behavior of the McCullis of the world is what is driving this radicalization of this soon to be on the stage, Jack Stoney and Wing. Again, fascinating, fascinating period right now. We will be diving, we'll be revisiting the era of corruption next episode with some more with the Monroe administration. If you are interested in any of these things, again, you can get your copy. If you don't have it now, what are you doing? Get your copy of cronyism, Liberty vs. Power in America 1607 to 1849. We do have a discount at the Mises bookstore using the promo code LVP. Also with that LVP promo code, if you want the Panic of 1819, which after this episode, of course, you're going to want the Panic of 1819, we're going to have a discount on Murray Rothbard's dissertation there. An absolute must read about this period of time. Again, the Fed even recommends it. And even though there's only, we don't have any hard copies of the book anymore, I do appreciate that at the, at Mises.org, we still have the PDFs of A Short History of Money and Banking by William Gouch. And he's one of those economic writers during this period, who is doing really fascinating stuff. I mean, this book was published and read throughout Europe as well. So again, for overthinking about early American economic thinkers, William Gouch is one of those very, very strong views on money and banking. You can find that PDF within the Mises library. Patrick, is there anything else that people should be diving into if they find this particular episode, this period of time, both infuriating and also fascinating?  So most guys get their dates, you know, chocolate or roses, et cetera, but a copy of cronyism in the Panic of 1819, I mean, that's really a killer combination there. So just want to throw that one out there. But yeah, I would say it's really, really those books. I would also get Murray Rothbard's a short, excuse me, History of Money and Banking in the United States. That's a classic. There's a lot of great articles online. Even Tom Woods Meltdown has a history of some banking panics during this time period, but there should be plenty of material. Cronyism has plenty of sources as well as, and then there's also the Panic of 1819. But I'd recommend getting all the material you've mentioned from the Mises Institute bookstore. Preferably. 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How's it going everybody? Dato Doi here with another Dragon Ball Fighters video and this time around we're going to be doing something more tutorial-like and we're going to be talking about something that's a very core component of both Dragon Ball Fighters and other fighting games. That thing being conditioning your opponent. Now admittedly conditioning your opponent is very intrinsic to the fighting game experience so even if you haven't had somebody explain it to you if you've been playing long enough you've probably figured it out yourself. Basically conditioning your opponent in a fighting game is the exact same as conditioning anything else in life. You're doing something very specific to your opponent so that they can react and you can sort of control what the outcome of that situation is going to be. To put it directly in Dragon Ball Fighters terms let's say you have your opponent in the corner this is the first time of the game you go instant air dash overhead they get hit by it the first time or they block it that doesn't really matter what matters is that they see that you went for an instant air dash overhead and that you did click a button to attack. So the next time you get in this situation you again go instant air dash overhead this time they block it probably unless they're super bad and they get hit by it again regardless it doesn't matter because at this point he should be getting the idea that when you're in the corner instant air dashing into an overhead is your general go-to plan and then on the third or fourth time you have them in the corner and you go for an instant air head maybe this time you whiff it and go for a low it'll catch them completely off guard as they were expecting to block an overhead. Now admittedly this is a super basic example but conditioning goes for everything whether it be you know a crazy sort of character specific gimmick something like a sell true 50-50 or a really awkward assist setup this is why fighting game tournaments are usually run on a best-to-three sort of system because the tournament isn't only testing your ability on how good you are at a one-player type of game and reactionary defense it's also testing how well you're able to adapt to your opponent's play styles and their gimmicks as well as trying to condition them yourselves this is why it's also a common rule in fighting game tournaments that if you win a game you can't switch off characters only the person that loses can switch off characters because it's trying to prohibit people from hitting you with a gimmick one time and then as soon as you lose a game up switch characters now it's time to hit you with a different gimmick now one thing that I really do want to stress before we move on to some more examples from upper mid levels of dragon ball fighters is that if you are a total beginner to this game and are just in the beginning ranks do not try to condition your opponent I promise you uh you know that's the beginner's luck of fighting games it's not really luck at all it's just the fact that people who play a lot of fighting games usually expect their opponents to react in a certain way to things but beginners you know they're just gonna do what they want to do so just a small caveat if you're new to fighters just just always go for a media attack I promise you that will be a much better strategy until you get up to the mid level but anyway now we can very quickly get into some real match examples a quick little note here this footage comes from a first to then I did against Lotus on the omega pro weekly stream which by the way you should go follow both of those guys they both produce very good quality dragon ball fighters content as well as a lot of stuff for a lot of other games links will be down in the description but what we're going to focus on here in the gameplay is that you'll see after I get a sliding knockdown on Lotus I go to chase this tech and then go in for an instant air dash overhead now this is the first time I've done this throughout the set so what happens here isn't that important to me I'm more so looking to what his response is going to be and you'll see here when he does get up he goes for the reflect which instantly pushes me back off and the situation has been reset into neutral so after a couple more times of be going for that instant overhead and getting reflected it's gotten to the point where I've gotten another sliding knockdown and this is the part of the game where I'm going to cash in on all of that conditioning I'm going to go for an air dash in but I'm just going to land and go for a dragon rush to completely negate that wake of reflect and you see it does go my way here and I think I get this exact same result maybe one or two more times but part of the fun of playing a good opponent like Lotus is that he's not going to just stop there the match is obviously going to continue so he's going to switch up what he does on wake up so you'll see now at the very end of the set Lotus is going to just instead of reflecting he's just going to jump back get out of there so essentially he's just found another way to get the situation back into neutral now this was towards the end of the set and I never really did figure out how I wanted to deal with that uh so that's pretty much where this scenario ends but the overall timeline for this basically went get the sliding knockdown instant overhead into reflect one or two more times instant air dash overhead into landing into the dragon rush into Lotus jumping back and although I don't have any footage of it another area where conditioning can be used is in your character's block strings and for this example we are going to use Bardock so normally Bardock's block string would look something like this it leaves them pretty safe but there are parts in the block string where if you want to take a risk and you've conditioned the opponent to sit there for this entire block string you could either throw in some low lights and stagger your buttons or you could go for one of Bardock's specials charges it up and if it lands this move takes a long time to charge by the way uh then you're once again positive on block and you can go back into another block string this is obviously good because it keeps your block strings fresh and it keeps your opponent on their toes and it just gets you more block pressure so win win win so basically I could go on you know with every character and do some gimmicks and how that conditions opponents but it's basically the same throughout the entire cast you're just doing something to try and elicit a response from your opponent that you can carefully plan for and then punish like I said at the beginning this video is more made for beginners totally new to the fighting game genre or just jumping into an online fighting game for the very first time hopefully it really helped you guys out and if it did please let me know down in the comments and also make sure to let me know how new you are to dragon ball fighters as well if you just have any other questions you can ask them down there as well I'll be down there as always while you're down there though if you like this channel and these tutorial videos make sure to leave a like and subscribe I really do appreciate it and it really helps the channel as always I'm datodoya and I'll see you in the next video


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anyway, long story short- I just have this fascination on global culture-那我就覺得說網路是一個可以- Connect the world of vehicles- 這是我那時候其實- I'm not an engineer- I'm really just kind of- have this idea, right- But, long story short呃, we did a lot of different things- 但現在我就是大概今年又開始- 真正做一個新的這個平台的 business- Then, yeah- I really have this new mission- on connecting the world again- In a very different context- 那其實呃,過去以來我活其實這個- 關島- 對,我有看到- 對- 想說- 為什麼會有關島- I'll bring you to呃,其實也蠻rand因為其實我當初最開始為什麼有這個名字是那時候創業是有一些大概在Boston的時候然後那個時候就有一些那個印度的夥伴- 那時候大概2008年07年- 那時候- IT外包還有點- popular- I'm not an engineer- 所以我需要一個 co-founder- 就找到一些印度人- 在印度- 然後那時候就開始我的 journey of this- global travel- 那那個時候其實本來- 有一個 simple idea for Taiwan- 本來就是幫美國的公司- 去 hire engineers in India- Sure- So we build this recruiting website- 然後後來我就很 excited- 我就搬到舊金山上- OK, this is gonna work- 因為那時候就- 剛好也是 some kind of crisis- 所以我想說很多公司可能要 cut costs- 對- 結果我搬到稀古之後發現- Nobody do that- People- Just use the link startup- And then just iterate the process所以那時候其實- 就跟以前都不一樣- 而且是一次100個工程師- 是是是- 後來發現那也不是 trend- 結果我那時候就開始好吧- 那我為了要賺錢- 我就開始就做- 我一直會做的就是做一些行銷- I'm always like a marketer- So- I started this mini agency- 其實我自己是自由經驗- 但是- 我沒有意義- 開始一個市場的公司- 但最後我開始進行公司- 那為什麼會關到- 因為第一年我就做這個- 所謂的社交媒體市場的時候就- 很懷疑- 因為我接不到什麼課- 然後就- 就一個人在那邊亂做這樣- 結果- 最後我真的要休息- 當我開始去看- 政府的社交媒體- 在美國的時候- 所以我的第一次- 我跟美國聯邦聯邦聯邦聯邦- 那個時候是- 你知道那時候是歐巴馬- 這個人在美國- 社交媒體- 變成了一條路- 所以很多- 那時候美國的- 國際政府想了解- 怎麼是做這種- 兩邊聯邦- 所以我就開始- OK- 就標到一個案子- 然後就幫他做企劃- Awesome- 然後就說- 這是真的好- 所以我就開始做那個- 我就做另一個社交媒體- 結果就放光- 結果關到的時候- 觀光局也是想要做一個這種- 交流- 對- 但他是針對8派市場- 因為大部分去觀導遊客- 都是在台灣、日本- 所以我就說- OK- 然後我再次想- 因為是2 for 2- 我就飛到觀導- 然後我就開始這個很長的旅程- 工作在那裡- 過去10年- 對- 但是因為那裡- 我就開始學習- 學習這個 idea of- 社交媒體的- 社交媒體的- 社會和管理- 然後我真的開始- 很多旅遊工作- 和觀光局工作- 過去10年- 那大概也是在這幾年- 我就開始覺得說- OK- 我開始變成- 旅遊成員- 至少可以養的活動- 肯定- 一個小小生意- 6- 對- 幾個人- 真是- 但是- 但是我感覺- 這是我的原本的目標- 為社交媒體- 因為我本來就是想要- 比較像平台的東西- 然後- 同一時間的話- 我們做很多旅遊的這種- 發展- 所以我本來是- 非常普通的旅遊- 比較遠的海洋- 在馬尼西亞- 或者是去- 爬爬紐基尼- 旅遊- 北京- 所以- 我就開始跟那邊很多的大學生- 就是說- 這是一種旅遊發展- 但是就是- 做一些訓練- 提供如何使用社交媒體- 去提供自己的旅遊- 因為他們可能要就是有- 旅遊是一個- 一個很好的旅遊- 為那些國家的旅遊- 所以- 所以我就去教這些東西- 就跟一些協會跟NGO配合- And so the process- 然後他們就說- 其實很多這些學生- 他們想要找的就是 like- Intention- 對- 所以我就說- OK- But obviously you know- It's quite hard for you to get an Intention- Over the seas- Especially from like- 像印度或是菲律賓- 所以- 我說你有沒有興趣就做 online- 因為其實我們自己也都是- 做很多 online- 約會- 演劇- 對 我們本來工作是很- 非常- 所以說那有沒有可能- 就是Virtual Intention的概念- 其實- 那時候是去年開始- 然後就覺得說- 欸這其實可以喔- 就是- Maybe I can design something- OK 平寬- 對對對- 就是這些Emergency mind- 他們是不錯- 那我也就是很習慣這種反應- 就過去幾年都是- Very virtual working- 所以我會說- OK- Why don't I think about this as a- 想要創造- Virtual Workspace for Intention- 然後後來就- 其實那是 pre-COVID- And then- And then it just happened to be this year- when we launched the platform- COVID happened- So the school shut down- 然後就開始- Becoming quite a hard trend- 所以就這樣慢慢- Yeah, we were built for this- 呵呵呵- 超前部- 有一點- OK- 那那個時候其實就是- 但後來我也開始- 就比較探索說- What is the meaning of doing all this- Right- 那就我就開始想- 欸其實這個- Use on employment- Is quite a rising issue- That's right- 嗯- And how can I- So my platform- Really was this idea- Creating the digital workforce- for the future- But social innovation- This is this one- 也算是- 因為我們發現其實- 如果我們用自行技術- 那其實- 他們可以做很多不同的事情- 沒錯- 他們可以幫助很多人- 那是對的- 還有一件事是說- 開始點- 但可以做一些- 資料的資料- 在技術上- 而且真的- 要有資料- 就有不同的- 表現、學習- 所以就漸漸開始覺得- 欸這可能會是一個- 一個新的方向- 對- 那其實我們也就覺得說- 基本上就是- 也要利用資料增加- 那當然現在來說- 可能就是- 這是新的方向- 正在互相討厭- 然後在自行技術上- 還有全球- 其實也很難- 其實是在自行技術上- 所以- 那我就覺得說- 有一個這樣的- 一個領域可以接觸- 那- 那我們也是想說就是- 但後來也是就做做做- 就是我們開始這條路- 就很簡單地- 創造自行技術- 但後來我們就發現- 除了這個技術- 要做好- 我們需要訓練- 所以我們開始這條- 訓練程式- 在週末- 因為就說- 當然我們沒有那麼多資訊- 要繼續提供資訊- 所以我們做什麼- 就是我們邀請一些- 更多的體驗- 來訓練- 就說- 學長自己- 學長自己- 所以就變成了- 還有什麼- 其實就是- 就是- 因為我們的社群- 很全球- 也有很多文化- 所以就變成了- 變成了- 一個很有趣的地方- 讓人們分享- 以不同的角度- 我們就一起工作- 基本上是一件事- 所以就是- 就是蠻有意義的- 那接下來就想說- 可以成為一個比較長期的- 這種- 差不多像是- 技術- 技術- 組織- 某種程式- 但- 要用技術去探索- 那這些是我們- 所有的大學- 我們做了- 公司- 公司- 例如- 營館和網絡- 所以大概- 過去8個月- 我們是17個學校- 從不同的國家- 和教育不同的學生- 這就是我們設計的- 這是我們設計的- 我們的團隊是非常重要的- 所以這也是我- 我現在在思考- 因為我現在在台灣- 我兩年後回來- 總之我不想- 給你這個工序- 沒關係- 沒關係- 就是說- 我從來沒有- 因為是我的外國朋友- 學生的工作在中國- 所以我們就沒有在廈門- 廈門- 喔 廈門- 他在外國- 在外國廈門- 對 對- 因為我那時候是兩年前- 本來他跟他搬到廈門- 不好意思- 因為她是專業設計- 所以她要搬到菲拉- 她是創業的導致- 無論如何- 我一定會給妳搬回來- 所以我就搬回來- 不好意思- 不會要把它追回來- 我就是- 去廈門- 搬來搬去- 後來要在那邊開公司- 聽起來很像電影劇- 對 對- 但我其實還沒有進去- 現在大陸沒有很多那種- 什麼兩岸的那種- 對 對 對- 然後我就後來就是那個- 新年代的年輕人- 但是之後後來我還沒有進去- 北京大學- 他們只是在公司- 但我從來沒有- 被大家講屬性- 對 對 在廈門- 對- 然後後來- 後來也因為機緣- 反正大陸那邊也被開了- 但是- 但是後來也是- 因為分手就搬回臺- 結果我就兩年- 這兩年大概就- 以前都是大概一半時間- 在舊金山一半在臺灣- 現在就是風灘在臺灣- 然後這兩年- 尤其是這幾年- 我都沒有旅行過十多個月- 是我的長時間在臺灣- 過去二十多年- 所以我就覺得說- 怎麼能讓臺灣- 新的國際社會- 從臺灣來的- 因為我覺得臺灣本來就是一個- 它是一個- 無人的地方- 它是個非常- 非常有趣的地方- 沒錯- 怎麼能讓臺灣- 從臺灣來的- 非常有趣的社會- 其實在臺灣- 人們都想到- 我們可以做到- 雖然我們沒有國際的概念- 但是- 我可以讓臺灣- 建立一個- 非常有趣的國家- 如果我們能成為- 或是我們能成為- 沒錯- 對,所以我也是想說- 怎麼樣讓- 當然我現在在想- 就是我可以讓臺灣- 建立一個國際社會- 讓臺灣- 成為一個國際社會- 現在我的國際社會- 在澳洲- 我們有二位- 建立一個國際社會- 所以我們開始- 建立一個國際社會- 臺灣的領導人- 他是一個- 建立一個國際社會- 建立一個國際社會- 他住在馬來西亞- 我住在臺北- 他住在臺北- 跟我一起- 貨品在韓國- 但他住在北京- 他就在加拿大- 她住在馬來西亞- 所以她住在- 賣點- 賣點- 非常印度特斯特- 對,所以我住在- 還有在亞洲- 很好- 還有我們有- 建立一些- 建立一些- 建立一些- 建立一些- 建立一些- 建立一些- 建立一些- 建立一些- 建立一些- 建立一些- 建立一些- 建立一些- 建立一些- 建立一些- 建立一些- 建立一些- 建立一些- 建立一些- 建立一些- 建立一些- 建立一些- 建立一些- 建立一些- 建立一些- 建立一些- 建立一些- 建立一些- 建立一些- 建立一些- 建立一些- 建立一些- 建立一些- 建立一些- 建立一些- 建立一些- 建立一些- 建立一些- 建立一些- 建立一些- 建立一些School is still doesn't have that much in the structure anyway for initiating all of thisSo essentially, in the future, we're thinking to build this kind ofintention program in cloud, whereessentially we're trying to provide like a Google gradeintention, not for any businessThere is a system down to the bottom對對對那, I'll show you a quick videoif you might find it interestingand I'll show you some actual systemto get some feedback這個是我們學生自己做的It's a really nice loadThank you非常有便攜度這個字This is a digital talent company of global citizensWhat we do iswe strive to provide economic opportunityfor global workforceto empower them to the power of digitaland we have a community of global talentswho come together to promote global culturesand we do so to advance the sustainable developmentof global communitiesThank you very much所以想說也透過這些教學慣屬於一些sustainable knowledgefor the future workforceSo these projectsSo at the moment, I'm working on late generationI'm working on deciding socialSo a lot of what I do with hope is forsustainable focus to connect with the spiritual ideasWhere is America?Do you know why you're staying here?This is a phase-old research, isn't it?It's a job hereIt's a really importantI'm working on developing a marketing strategyfor makerhardsso that they can enter Amazon hereSo I joined the talent marketcommunity because I wanted to apply my careerto the knowledge that I've appliedin my university degreeto real-blood experiencebecause I'm just graduatingand I'm working on my ownexperience in real lifeSo I'm just going withhow fast can you come into the teamto work,experience in real lifeI joined the talent market communitybecause I was in need of internshipand behind the release of COVID-19in the end of 2020was the hardest gamebecause of this, I'm just having a chancefor not taking up internshipsor impression agentsI joined the talent market communitybecause I wanted to be ableto implement the skillsI was learning in the classroomand for internshipand also being alone at this timeI think my favourite thingabout talent basketis working with an international teamMy favourite thing isI get to work with clientsin real lifeMy favourite thing abouttalent basketis that everybody isreally friendlyand really easy to talk toMy favourite thingabout talent basketis how easy it wasto apply the quick response timeTo believe in yourselfand constantly work hardthe TV communitywould be yourif you strive to learn and growSo join our communityto see how much you can transformgo to talentmask.comand apply for internshipsWe have many many opportunitiesmeeting for youYeah, so that's kind of astudent videoThat's pretty goodYeah, even we realizethey really need this very realwork situationThat's kind ofhow does itsimply apply for a companyThis company might not have the capacityor management resourceto train and develop those internsSo we basically create those layersofintention management for the companySo for the sponsoring companythey don'twe structure the program for themand we recruit the best studentsand in some way wecoach the students through the processSo it's really aand we design our virtual internshipon a three month basisSo it's really a kind ofa microintention learningand it's part timeSo if a student wantthey can take multiple jobsat the same timeand then there's likea peer coaching system to designdesign for slash chiefsYeahYeahSo this is our actual system但現在還是蠻protype就是就是So the entire time commitment它是就是要 commit 多少時間大概就十五小時一個禮拜Oh that's a light weight對對對所以還算還行但是So we typically put a team of threetogether in a projectSo there's two team membersin one we call town captainwhich is kind of like aproject leader但他也是學生但他可能要就是it's kind of a little bit likegamificationthey have to earn the statusto be a leader in the projectand then eventuallywe're starting to paysome of the town captain tooso managing the projectSo basically the team of threeneed to be first formedbefore you actually deployor as soon as one personcomes you deployYeah we assemble the full teamfirst of exampleright now we havesome of these are current projectwe're recruitingSo let's take the mostYeah that's actually the townand its companySo they sponsored a project with thisSo they wanted to findkind of like a digital sales peoplein EuropeSo then they camethis is the internalammingSo this is the applicantrightand thenSo we have all these studentsapplyYeah so right nowlet's seesome of themnot have theirgood profile completedYeah then they will applyand then this is likekind of their digital resumewe can check out theirprofileso these studentsfrom MelbourneokYeah然後他就這邊會有寫他的levelSo if you sayoh他現在是new user那他是可以晉級的So eventually they will havelike different levelof you know becoming likeamazing our communityIt will be really nice對就是看他做多少事情之後他可以那個那So yeah對晉級對對算是unlock the accomplishmentsI think對就是看說表現like the actual performanceyou know on the jobor like some of the learningthat's gone throughSo in terms of the hireI know it's dash was kind of crappybut yeahWe basically have thiscount on captainor the otherSo the assignedproject managerand he's responsibleto recruit his teamSo像現在這個就是this guy's got pickrightSo he's assigned to be a TCThat's what we call itAnd then he will go outto finish his recruitingAnd then once after thatwe recommend to the clientAnd then they have toapprove the teambefore they can callSo you do like basiccurational workby the clienthas to find a sayThey dobut you knowthat's one of the challengessometimes client is likewell you guystake care of itbecause they still look at itmore likewell I'm outsourcing a portionof my work to youso they don'tnecessary sometimeslook at itbecause this is very good to domentorshipslikewhat we hope they dobut that's what we got to dobetter upon the clientin the face point of viewwe wanted to create this verykind of checklist basedproject guidelinesso I'm just kind of justoh you knowlike week oneI need to do thisrightactually you knowalignment对对对so it's like a guidelinejust so wethe big focus next yearbecause weone is for studentrightthey can followthe work testtwo is kind of a clientwell this is the best waywe feelyou can train aglobal and virtual teamthere's a more structured wayto do thatright对所以大概然后现在这个so these are kind oftownsso now we have likeaboutwith 1100 students那其实很多就像像like you saidindoindo对就是一些emerging Asia对然后就是这些说那也有像在日本的就是也有一些这样的对吧the sunyeah but yeahthis person hasn'tfeel the profileso we gotta do a better jobon getting the studentsofday-to-daysoyesbut我那我也想请你这样就说likefor Taiwanrightso eventuallywejust love toreally get morehow many studentsinvolvedon thisbecause i thinkthis could bea good opportunityforTaiwanese studentstotobe exposedbuti thinki'm runningto several challengesso one isjust feel likeTaiwanese usein generalarewell this conceptintensiveit'sit'si feel like in Taiwanit's a little bithow do you saypeople definingin very different waysi guessyeahbut because we runa quite successfuloh reallyit shouldportalincluding thepublic sectorandprivate sectoras welland communityservices as wellandevery yearwe recruitthirtyintentsand they areactuallymulti remoteandbut theyinstead of workingon community engagementthey work onthe experience designfor thevariousgovernment runservices and so onand they have thisseem thebalkongrightlike medium write-upsand so they alsotake placeto mentorthe next batchnext yearif they wantand some of themwell one of themhas been promotedto full-timehereyeahas a fellowcolleagueand so I thinkthe Taiwanese youthactuallyis very well suitedfor remotethe working internshipbut they really needto understandthe purposelike theif you sayyou know this is justto earn a quick buckno nobody is interestedbut if you sayyou knowmei ga yihang chen shigei bian dao qingby bai wai rinis well suitedand then they'reactuallyover-possibleyeahthey'remuch moreproposableyesI guess the problemis becausewellwhenhow I got startedit was actuallyso a lot of thesestudentsfor where I sitis becauseI was doinga lot of tourismdevelopment workso these studentsof kind of funtraveland hospitality schoolsthat's rightso in theorythis is justsometimes it'sbegallwell I don't want toI see all of themjust be a lowerit herethis is whatI'm an academic speakerI'm supposed to be downat themid to bottom levelofstudent gradesof the linear scalethat's rightthat's rightI'm at middle school dropoutsoyou got somethingyeahokayyeahbut you know what I meanyeahso at leastjust atit's on the traditionalacademic definitionthey are less high-performingsure surethenthen we have thisand this seem to be a layerwe focus on right nowyeahthis is almost现在的系统I feel like we're not designingthis currentprogram for the verytop studentsmaybe you'rechecking reallymotivatedand you knowso smart studentswe expandedthat programwhich is just atwo months programso even moremacker than yourswowbut they're full-timeor a patternjust like 15hours per weekso they wereremoteand then in thefema3in the remoteremoteI can't believe itI can't believe itso it kind ofindifferently inventedbut why can they're justwalking your officeorwalking someyeah becausebecause they'reover the placethey're over Taiwanso while most of thecentral government agenciesare in Taipeifor exampleif they want towork on theTaijongshi showif you casethey probably have tointerview people inTaijongshigot itin which caseof course the people aroundthe central Taiwanwill be more interestedin working on that casebut we do haveof course aget togetherlike sureand pizzaand things like thatbut most of the timethey work remoteso we also havethis worse placeand things like thatyeah butthe point is thatthis works pretty wellso that we alsowork on the3t.org.twwhich is thistraining talenttransformation thingwhich recruitsI think hundredscan I take a pictureof this websitethese are all public websites anywayso what we'retrying to do hereis not necessarilythe academicallyinclined likedream in Pythonpeoplebut ratherif for examplethere are interested in digital engagementthey actually maythere will bearound the sameageand interestspacebut wework withlike freshgraduated undergradmostlyfor this programso like the peoplein the portfolioof undergradand thenthey can just clickthis weirdbrainway controllikebut do they have toand thenthen choosewhat kind ofwork they wantto enroll inand this is team of fiveand they work witha kind of localactually just likethe tourism bearing oneactually a localcommunitycommunity saythat want to increaseis this aboutlet's sayit's the digital meansand so onso for theshewess in shall partI think it's almostcompletely the samebut this is liketwo weeks ofintensive trainingon-siteand thenteam of fiveand goes onto do six monthsof internshipoh interestingso they have todo works offline toonot just totally onlineso they have to dolocal engagementthe initial trainingis of coursein the four officesand thenonce they startthe training programthat depends ontheir community needsrightso if theyare deployed tofor exampletransformthe shewess in shallfor a particular townor somethingor a town or somethingof course they'llhave to make tripsto that towngot itgot itnow one of my biggestgoto is to figure outa way to paythe zinternsI don't knoware they likethese zinternsarenampay or paythese arepayed for six months ofworkif they finishthe internshipof coursedon't drop adsthen we pay themaround one typefor the workfor six monthsyeah for six monthsand the trainingis freeand they getcertificateso it's a prettygood dealso the problemfor our designright nowfor this programiswellso basicallythe internhave to worknampayfor atleastwith the six monthsin our systemand then they getadventsand then we startedkind offigure out a wayto pay themnow we pay themat the endat the end of the internshipoh okayso not unlikeyour programohthat's why we reallykind of justso it's as wellbut then this ideaof nampayrightat leastfor a whileyeahthe internsomethingat leastand i thinkevery interngoodyou knowdepends on who you talk toso they allmight seeis the same waybutit's verya controversialsometimesaspect about internsor depends onhow you positionright rightbecausethat's whymention the mentorshipisperhaps the most importantlikeif these are the peoplethat you will payto attend a lecturetoyeahbecause you have to payfor these educationrightexactlyso thenit sounds a good dealbecause you'rebasically payingzero dollarsbut still getpretty good mentorshiprightfor these folksbut if youwe don't have thisthen it soundslike exploiting thatbecause you'reso we gotreally highlighteducationasexceptasexceptwell yeahbecause that's alsokind of new to usobviously we werejust shaping that upfor the past three monthsto be a morestructuredprogramfor trainingfor interview但之前可能你开始没有没有想那么多就就说oh this isbecause we havethis verymotivatedI would saystudents fromtheyou know Indiaor something他们有些是愿意justI'm willing tobecause Ibecauseactually working foroversea companyputting on their resumemeans a lotyeahso for themby defaultthey aremore okaydoinggrowingnot payand I'm surethen we havesome tiny studentdoing that toobut by and largeI feel like大家快快快那我还是觉得I think they have除非是说你可以证明他的公共利益非常高and in which casethis is just公益活动rightyeah but if this ismostly forlike one businessthen of coursenatural questionasked byactually someapplicants hereis to sayyou knowwhat stopsthoseparticularly in businessfromyou know justkeep rejecting usrightso for everythree monthsthey have afresh batchofyellow liversyeah becausebecause they seethis isI'm actually doingwork forcommercial companyfor a private companyand whyso unlikeworking for the governmentto seeyou gota比較obviouslyit's for public goodsrightso for usas a platformit's a little bitharder to tell themwell you got to workfor freefor moshifor likethree to six monthshere theyactuallytheir outside trainingis alsoon business sectorcompaniesis not likethese are suddenlystate-owned enterprisesor not like Beijingso that's what they dothat's righteverything nationalizedthat's right郭靖明to and all thatright soso if you're interestedin for example外商rightbecause it will lookgood on their resumethey'll probably sayyou knowI've spent six monthsin the外商and then they pay me十萬元if I finish mysix monthsso this十萬 is standard acrossis standard acrossall the different businesses所以就所有的不管是star or smallthat's rightthat's rightso to be a小英it also meansthat they have toput somesomethingyou knowsaying thatI have tooffer mentorshipI have to mentora reasonablelike deployment strategyand things like I saidso it tend to beand I'll be honestit tend to bekind ofmedium to largeenterpriseswhile this programis designed formedium to smallenterprisesbecause for small enterprisesyou knowfor a batch oflife studentsto get themsufficient mentorshipisn't actuallythat easyso we don't have tomenpower torightso we'rewe're sayingyou knowmaybeashangquantheget your communitytogetherbending togetheris one of the bestwith the localsocialinterpreteracting askind of acaptainon the business sideshangquancan thenwork withthe five peoplehere on theinternshipso we're stilltuning this programto belookskind ofvery muchoveryeahbecause right nowa lot of ourintenters to sponsornot even likemissize businessthey're likealmost microenterprisesthat's rightsoa lot of the actuallyngosor他们本身自己也没有很多budgetso the ideaof having theseyou knowsort of likeaffordable teamfor themis a goodgood plus但是就是说but they kind ofgoes both waysthen justobviously then但过来讲他的mentorshipto the capacity就没有那么好是 是 是所以变成说we have to trainso i thinkwe'rein a similar situationbut obviouslyyou have a lotof bigger names herebut isure sure sure surebut i thinkthere's a lot ofcomplementarylearningsbecausefor examplewe don't havean english websitethere you goi don't have ageniusit's rightit's likecomplementarybut is this openfor onlyTaiwan studentsright orat this momentyesbecause this programwas designedbecause wekind of anticipatedwhen securingthis budgetthat there will bea rise in useemployment becauseof covidbut because we'retoo successfulin countering covidthere's no useof covidso this is a new programthis is ageniusactually literally前兩天才開始this is a brand new programand we're still tuning init's the first year toothat's rightthat's rightso can my companybe one of a companyto sponsorbecome sign its yearrightand alsobecoming its year導師if you want那這十萬塊是是誰會sponsor是你目前在第一年是我們已經變了預算因為本來是要舊金顏事業是對所以預算到底就別下去所以是要moneyif you need moneyif you need moneyif you need moneyif you need moneyif you need moneyif you need moneyoki am my taiwan branchfor the past few yearsso we're good yeahthat's rightthat's rightso i understandyou're a美商自以成國自以成國對因為我們是which makes you awhitesumi guessyeahbut we are technicallyrightandandbecauseso luckilyour maincooper businesswas quite effectiveearly in a yearthen the whole ideamoment pick upright and thenand then things have been in taiwanso i started to havethis bigger office spacei rented out this yearsoin the future the idea isonce covid is freeso hopefully we'll have thisphysical work spacebut more creativefor global internto come into taiwanto really becomelike a culture hubso they canjustsure也是一樣來and thenfound time to timethen後來我就說but they ended upwe have the spaceand then也出真的沒有那麼多internalizeand thenso we ended upgiving the space outto somesome of the social venturesin taiwan too就現在有一個ngio也是做just a bit of education relatedit's called bright sideso we've beenjust kind ofhelping it outthenso overallyeahso iyeahi'm thinkingjustsojust将来就是想要都在 taiwan做一点justsojust on incubationand then不管是talentororhelphelphelpyeahany of thisyeahbutsureyeah我我有看到之前你有幫那個suresuresuresuresuresuresuresuresuresuresuresuresuresuresuresuresuresure因为我今年才kino他们的那个CDO IQ哦在哪对所以我就觉得说今年台湾在一个很好的position就是说对我们来讲我们已经in the futurerightpost covid对所以我们可以来plan说大家有疫苗之后会长什么样子我们这边可以sendproto typeright所以wellwellbring this up因为呃就是我们有一个台湾GoCar.com也是呃这些金卡池有人呃做出来的哦对我朋友最近才来的对对对那因为我们最近呃有relax他的呃不要说relaxexplant呃他的scope就是呃他不想说如果你有start up呃成功卖给上市贵公司的经验或者自己IPO了对那你就automaticallyqualify那你就可以来台湾然后而且想要健保等下在这个最最安全的地方you knowmy friend just broughtlike a bunch of呃他他他runs a crypto company呃but he was one of athird product manager at youtubeso you know Steve Chenand those guys对对对所以他最近来了那Steve Chen是第一张第一个拿起来的对对对因为他们这是一个game的然后后来他最近带了一桶阿库的就是some otherother startup foundersall in San Franciscoand some investor heresoI was just chatting with himtwo days ago呃causecause he wanted to also就对他们来说台湾是因为他也是ABC啦但是就说他就以前会就是just a very short time然后来玩这样过年对对对so now I'm kind of tellingwell you need to spend some timein a local communityto really呃get to know Taiwanand I think a lot of themwanna do somethingonce they learn more about就是台湾这边的双框啊对对对对yeah所以就说我是觉得至少digital engagement这一边提大使势也许可以考虑engage那然后当然我们一直都有internally像我们的GENCY刚刚讲每年30个也是呃请那个纪念书他们本来就一个职场体验网我刚刚show给你看的还都是纪念书的the program那那边也可以考虑engage那如果现在讲的是国外的intern过来的话那我觉得很多go card对都是一个很好的想法因为他们本来就是work for themselfgo card的the whole point of go card就他不用work forKaiwanese company啊okto come to workthey just come toto live hereand this is three yearsthis is three yearsand also they can reapplyone three years is upand on their fifth yearthey can apply for naturalizationwithout giving up their passportactually the feedback from my friendhe almost feel likethe qualification is too low for thisi know他就觉得说oh this is a little就是我知道因为我们现在是比较i think thethe cause is to welcome我们的概念就是说大家都可以说i'm also a taiwanesei think that's greatbecause i honestly havemy advisor beingso he retired fromMcKenzie for the past 21 years但他其实一直以来就是团队的人he has ARC now in taiwanright所以我就觉得发现at least i seethere's a new energy comingthere's a flow oftalents and captoesand given the trade warsand i also think likebecause hong kong andsingapore are very island stateso because of covidthey're really challengedfrom theirjust sort ofbe locked outfrom the international connection所以我觉得台湾to methere's a taiwan 3.0 comingthat's right第三次经济期that's rightthat's rightyou're very nonchallengedwell i think this is our decadethis is our decadebecause i thinki thinki don't know covidjust maybejust meant to bebut it isto see a butterfly effectjust kind of likemess everythingit really isit really isright所以所以我觉得有两个比较实际的一个就是T-Dash那边ok看对那另外一个就是整个国家community因为现在国发会的地方创生已经有一点转向变成要投资青年在地方with their workto their community那这个跟你刚说的那个local impact其实是一样的那而且但是国发会同时又主导那个Bilingual Nations那所以这两个其实有一个 synergy就是说我们怎么样子去确保说如果一个local community要做international outreach的话它可以work with not onlyinterns from Taiwanbut alsointerns all across the worldor at least in the Pacificright所以我觉得那这个community对国发会是很有 leverage对因为它大概有多少人已经拿到这个这边有讲啊就是在10月底153现在应该快要破2000了哇对所以其实真的因为我们去年可能200张的Weeding发的出来So you know a few years agoI bought a bunch on SpinnerFound in San Francisco那个时候大概2017吧我们去的北京上台Oh no 上台北京深圳香港然后台湾本来Nobody wants to comeWhy Taiwan?We want to go to Singapore right?I'm like noYou got to come here for a teaYeah所以他们不就把人骗过来Bubble teaSorry对不起对不起啊对不起啊后来呢我们也去国发会那时候忘记Foreign womenAnyways然后They literally were trying to hand us a visaThat's rightIt's just likeWe're doing a go-kartAnd there was like one case studyOne guy was likeHey I got this in Taiwan然后那时候And the guys were likeWell I think they were literally trying to hand us a visa right thereWe're likeYeah we're a little behindBut you know但是我觉得现在这个大家都想赖对对对 已经两千多人这真的是很难看YeahAnd you know the other thingBecause I'm working with the bomb government然后最近我就一直有Nani那个Ted talk那个Digital management因为就是Part of our tourism workBecome a slight public health work nowTrue to try toDesigning那我觉得那些美国的比较小的地方政府就很刷过了因为就是They just don't haveAll the agency working thereAnd they don't have thatPersonal digital input structure对对对对所以就这也是蛮Challenged但是You knowHopefully the vaccine is going to workBut yeah对对对So I've been referencing some of the videos that you didTo show thisSome of the government that I work withHave you heard anything about thisThe digital passport thingHillsHills passCommon pass所以之后台湾也会装那个嘛就是人家进来之后会有这个Digital screening我有听说但是那个是就是为了服务自己因为它有点有点BioNTRO的Saint所以我没有involve into it但是我有听说Got it就是至少就是说你在现在外面说要自己厨师那个就是RTPCR是那但是现在就发现forgery很多其实最近的问题是这个就值得来回遭了对所以就有时候有一些就是Accredited institution可以用Digital的方式交换的嘛我想会不会是非常Welcome特别是在Vaccinated people上面Brandi进来还是要测一次And that bodyRight right rightWell that's the next year's challengeYeah that's the next year's challengeYeahBut I think we're in a pretty good placeYeahYou know, plenty of physical vaccinesSoYeahYeahWow所以这个TI think这个两个真的T是Nokar我指的是我可以比较那这个我如果想要成为就是企业的话就是赠紧的对啊就填了好会有专人跟你来So I can refer to our YouTube videoHi我们这个放到YouTube上OK好真的OK OKI'll buy the same thingYou're programYou're program等一下好T当然是这个3T.org.cw好这我一定会Yeah I'm definitely want to apply是然后gocard.com.community那个是完全明显的但是这个网站已经有点Semi-official就是我们都给出这个网站这样所以你觉得这边就是You guys actively trying to create some eventsor some engagement programThat's right exactlyFor this productRightFor Taiwan Go Card as a product嗯YeahWe're going to go as far as就是如果有专业在LINE用Go Card的话它好比像说在地的一些生活上面啊或者有点像是你知道就是Visa的那种concierge service这样这个我们没有在想WowIt's almost like a full suitYeah I've been helping my friendfor this quarantine deliveryExactly yesNo because what they think isInstead of thinking of this a two-week quarantineWhy don't we make it an experienceYeahYou'll see it likeTaiwanese cultureExactly例如14天可以engage你的这个Yeah我们我自己就有一个亲人那他从美国来14天的期间他就已经考到了居家招服务员的那个B市的的征兆Oh damn然后一出去之后他一时期他就变成一个这个这个居家服务员Oh that's awesomeYeahSo a lot of thoseYou know remote stuffYou can do it during the quarantineIt's not like you have anything else to doRightSo yeahYou really want to make an experienceRightThat two weeksRightIntensive training programProperty intenseWell I think it's important to set a goalLike one of my friendsI want to get into a better shapeAfter 14 daysAfter a dayWe can walk outGoJust a little quietYeahSo if you have any badgeYou can unlockDuring the 14 daysYeahWhat's still moving pretty slowlyBecause it's just bootstrappingSo it's justYeah but with a lot of cool ideaBut14 days captainOr somethingYeahChallengment 20 minutesSo this isYou oversee the program不是我是幫忙 promote那這個其實是就像你剛剛講的就是 Steve 他們其實這是一個完全 open sourceBottom up對那我看覺得裡面有一些字眼可以改我就直接改因為是在 GitHub 上所以我就直接改就可以所以像我有建議他們 body-wideQualify 放在這個因為大家才會知道這個How low the bar is是That's itI knowThis goal cardSounds really complicated其實是蠻容易的I would love toI meanI'm not officially promotingBut I think yeahI'll talk to MattMy friend MattHe just got itAnd he has likeHe almost got 10 peopleOn board with us alreadyYeahSaying out no doiDoiAnd they don't want to leaveIncrease the basic transmission rateMakes this website go viralYeah okayBut I think the ultimate visionIs to have more talentsThat's exactly what I wantAnd more people are sayingI'm also TaiwaneseOkayWell I thank you for your time todayI know I only have body-minuteI got itI don't want to go over itYou're like in an empty houseSureYeahThank youThank you我們對Internship program其實是Saying在然後剛剛講到青年樹也是少林So they all heard meI guessThat's rightThat's rightNow you're readyYeahOkaySo this is your emailYeah you can email me directlyWowIt's very open我發現這個可能就是一個很open的狀態But in this one card我們把牆壁都拆掉Because I was passed by a midnight我想說為什麼為什麼沒有 gates down就說就不用 gateLet's go to the governmentI don't knowWowIt's very impressiveYeah我台灣 is certainly very progressive right nowSo that's that's really proud of itBengal mask and allOkay well I'll justThank you so much謝謝謝謝欸對了喔不能可以跟他拍一張照嗎I gotta brag about itOf course


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