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The very first house that my wife and I bought was a foreclosed house. And at that time, I did not know anything about anything, right? I didn't know how to frame a wall. I mean, I literally didn't know anything. I didn't know anything about plumbing or electricity or framing or sheet rock or painting again. That's what it's really to know. But, you know, there's just not a lot that I knew. And as we started to remodel this house and we did a lot, we ripped out the entire kitchen, had a new kitchen put in that was professionally done and do that part, but I did do all the demo.  It's required. And one of the things that I learned pretty early on was to buy quality tools. When you buy cheap tools, you pay twice, right? One of my friends always tells me buy once, cry once, meaning buy the expensive one because it'll last you and you'll be done.  And now you got to go buy a new one anyway. So this is a lesson that I learned when it comes to my tools, right? That's just something I've done. And so I don't buy cheap tools anymore. I just usually don't find them to be worth the money anymore. And recently that lesson, that same lesson was driven home to me really hard when it comes to my gun tools, when it comes to my gear. So one of the things I wanted to talk about here is equipment or gear, right? And I love gear. I don't know anybody who's into guns for real that doesn't love gear and won't talk gear all day. However, I think we would most of us would agree that it tends to be on the bottom of the priority list, meaning there are things that are much more important than gear, right? Like your mindset or your tactics or your skills with that gear, right? If you don't have skills with your handgun it doesn't matter how nice of a handgun you have because you'll still shoot like trash, right? So there are obviously other things that are more important. However, I would like to note gear is on the priority list. And this was driven home to me recently because I took a rifle class at night and I had two rifle lights fail on me. And during that time I really understood how important gear is because if you are at a rifle class at night and you're trying to move and shoot and communicate and light up your targets with actual light, not this kind of lighting up, and your light keeps failing on you, that is an extremely frustrating experience. So it was the second night of my class, came up, rifle light failed. I thought, oh this is great. So I bought a buddy's rifle who borrowed me his rifle, right? And brought his rifle out, light failed. Two lights failed on me. So I was so frustrated the morning before the third day and last day of class I went and bought a surefire to put on my rifle in order to make sure I didn't have that problem so I could complete the class, right? And like I said, that's really when it got driven home to me that gear really matters. Yeah, again, it's not as important as the other stuff, but it's on the list. So this is my encouragement to you, to buy quality gear, to test your gear, and not to mess around when it comes to betting your life on your equipment. You don't want to be in a place where your gear fails you in a critical moment, right? My gear failed me at class, very frustrating experience, however not the end of my life, right? My gear fails me when it matters. You can see where that's going. So I invite you to research your gear. I invite you to buy quality gear. I invite you to buy gear based on recommendations from people you respect. And at the end of the day, I invite you to make your own judgment about that piece of gear and whether or not it works for you because there's a lot of good gear. We live in a wonderful time where there's a litany of good gear out there and maybe for whatever reason that one just doesn't work with you or gel with you or whatever. So go buy something else that's quality that will because at the end of the day, when all the chips are down, having a gear failure can be absolutely catastrophic. Do brave deeds, end endure.


I thought I was looking at the same slides from this morning and you don't need to go through that again. So I just have organized just a couple of simple slides to outline what at least a couple of the people asking us questions today suggested. And I have to say I'm not sure why these red lines ended up in this presentation or they don't mean anything other than, do you know? You're not the projection one. Go to projection? Yeah. Here you are. Yeah, right. I should. It's better? There you go. Red lines are better. They're not better. So the kinds of challenges that Andres and say his colleagues would face and we've talked about is how do you separate the effects of yogurt and dairy since they are a component of an entire diet? I mean it's a terrible challenge but it certainly can be met and we can acquire more evidence to help us discern within a food or dietary pattern if there are elements of that better quality diet that appear to be impacting a specific health outcome better or more clearly. And then you have the likelihood that where you find yogurt or dairy foods are impactful. How much of that impact is dependent upon some of their component of the diet? Whole grains, nuts, tea. I don't know what they are but we ought to again with the kinds of databases we now have available if the commitment were there to begin to tease apart some of these or identify these what I would call interactions which then would have to be considered. An example, it may not be as effective to say increase your dairy product intake without recognizing that perhaps whole grains are somehow contribute to the value of the dairy food. That's just a theoretical example and we would need to try to figure that out if we're going to plug numbers into these models. And then you run into the issue of I can show you data that weight is improved in people who consume dairy products and then specifically yogurt. But when you begin to build the model what is then the interaction between those benefits of improving weight with cancer risk, diabetes risk, the debate now about healthy weight in this country, I mean how much of a benefit is good? Is there a threshold where the benefit in terms of weight is not as good? Because as you know we've seen data coming from our government that says being thin is not necessarily always the best outcome and we need not get caught in that horrible discussion but that's the reality of the kinds of teasing a part of the interaction of the health outcome with other health outcomes. But again there probably is data available that would begin to define where these interactions or the threshold of these interactions are and we could understand them. And indeed it may be good to know that your risk of colon cancer has been reduced by eating dairy foods, yogurt, but for some people has this really improved their perception of an improved quality of life? It may be neutral. On the other hand it could be very positive. They may say I feel better. I work better. And how do we gather that kind of information which is social data and not as precise health outcomes type data? And how are adverse effects factored into the calculation? Certainly when you're dealing with a drug or a device that can become I won't say easy but relative to this challenge it's easy. You do a clinical trial with a drug or a device, some intervention in a hospital system and it's set up to gather enough information obviously that you know if something not only good happened but if something bad happened. And do you, would it become possible to use the available data? I don't have an answer but I think from what I know the expanse of the literature and how it's expanding almost like the universe now we may be able to actually do some modeling where instead of yogurt you put in more low-fat milk to see if that has an impact that you need to consider. Is it, does it then become more important to make sure you have that one serving of yogurt per day as opposed to a second or third serving of a low-fat milk? I don't know the answer but those are the kinds of issues that would need to be addressed. And by a quarrel to it then can you begin to estimate the cost benefit of a single container of yogurt versus a scoop of ice cream or a glass of milk, a chunk of cheese. Personally I don't want to have to give up ice cream to get my yogurt. So the question to me is why is it critical to identify these relative values? One nutrient or food over another? I think there's a danger there because we begin to head back to the way we have been describing healthy eating in quotes in the past. This is good, this is bad. We need to try to use the kinds of skill sets that are available in sophisticated organizations like Andres and Argentina to move in a positive direction and try to pick up the balance of if you will move towards these elements of a diet we don't have to talk about not eating these things. I'm intrigued by the possibility that as people move towards healthier diets the things that we have spent decades trying to tell the populace not to eat become less of an issue because they won't eat them. We're going to learn a lesson over the next couple of years and I think it's going to be not necessarily mentioned but the need to do it is going to be evident in this anticipated report from the IOM on the harms and benefits of population-wide certain reduction. A piece of the understanding that had never really been brought into this debate, lower sodium versus no restriction, is a body of neuroscience that's been out there for 80 years and I suspect the same thing applies as it does to sodium to some of the key nutrient components of foods that are thought to be important to a healthy diet. What the neuroscience of sodium has identified are very sophisticated neural networks that take in signals from the periphery, most of them from the gut, some of them from the kidney, that tell the brain I need more sodium to maintain my volume to perfuse the organ optimally. When I hit that point I tend not to have any more during the day so that when you really look at sodium intake worldwide it follows a very, very tight normal distribution. People say there are these countries that eat a tremendous amount of salt and there are those who don't have very much and they're healthy but when you go and try to find them you can't find them, they're all distributed within a very tight and it speaks to the notion that it's probably true for many other nutrients or macronutrients. Evolution would not have allowed us to depend upon the vagaries of the foods that are available today to dictate what your intake is of essential nutrients. You would have signals going to the brain you're not aware of but your computer is monitoring minute by minute that dictate, you'll reach, you'll go for things. Unfortunately that type of biological data, very sophisticated neuroscience data is being used by some of the experts out there to talk about food addiction. This is not food addiction, it's the brain defining necessity and you go for it within some limits. So we're not going to answer the question today but I think the audience in participating with Anders and I can come up with some idea, is it critical to really get more and more granular, more and more specific about which food, which nutrient? Is it important to understand in greater detail the differential impact on multiple health outcomes? How does this affect young people, gestational people or gestational situations versus the elderly, women versus men, Africa versus North America where there are different ethnicities? And is it even possible for nutrition research to answer these challenges and questions? And can we at least come up with some new thinking about the best approach to try to wed these skills that particularly technology allows us to do a much better job of calling through information, feeding it into computers and coming up with defensible numbers? And how do we do that? So the last point is convincing society, how do we do a better job of helping people understand what the potential is here? Is it important? Is it more important within certain groups? And can people understand that this may actually occur at a fairly quick rate? In other words, as opposed to some things that society could do to improve longevity and health and wellness, some of these impacts could be identified and experienced within the society quickly. And is it always feasible? Are there settings in which talking about this is not going to help a society, a subset of society? There was an important comment that you could put economic status as a substitute for dairy foods on my slides and you would get the same, I have no debate with that. And then how do we factor in these choices against other things society is considering like economics, the cost of the food supply, the environmental impact of acquiring what we think are these better foods. So I guess we can take questions and see where we're at.


Let's see how she does. Oh boy. She gone. She gone. Vlog number 400. We've arrived. Ladies and gentlemen, we are here. We are here. We are here. 4-0-0. We did it. Not too shabby. I'm excited. Now, I'd say number 500. I'll be a little more excited, but whenever you kind of hit that 100 mark, it's just, it's a good thing. It's a good thing. Shout out to Andrew for just surpassing 100. I saw that, saw that. Congratulations. Basically, I'm excited and but for vlog number 399 yesterday, I do not feel like I gave you guys a great tour around the new look to YouTube. So in case you did not know, in case you're watching this for the first time, it is May 3rd, 2017, and YouTube is redesigning their desktop website look. Here we are. We're jumping in here. Alright, so this is the old look to YouTube. You guys recognize this. This is my home page for the old look. I'm gonna go to my channel. Here we go. So this is what my channel used to look like as of yesterday. Not too shabby. It looks, it looks okay. I don't think it looks bad, but let's pop over to the new YouTube. Alright, here we are. This is the new look. Okay. Now, if you're not in the United States, I don't know if this has been rolled out yet. It doesn't sound like it has, but it's coming. Be patient. It's coming. So here we go. There's Andrew at the top, Tanner, almost daily, Fabio, Superwoman, Fun4Louis, John Saddington, Sean Duris, and then some random ones. Here's the subscriptions. Basically, it looks cleaner, simpler, and navigate to your channel up a right-hand corner right up there. Boom. Here we go. So this is what my channel looks like on the new design. It's bigger. It's more, it just looks better. It looks way better. It's more appealing to the eye. It's more beautiful. See, beauty. So, scroll down, and I need to do more new channel art. I need to do new channel art up here. I need a new trailer. That's coming. Patience, everybody. Patience. So that's, but, and I really love, if you go to the videos tab here, it looks just so crisp. It looks crisper, and the thumbnails are a little bigger. Keep that in mind when you're uploading thumbnails. So here is the channel. So that is, so you can sort by date added, and then most popular. So here's the most popular videos on the channel. Awesome. Okay, you guys get the point. Now, here's a trick.  Stay tuned. All right. So here's the trick. I just hopped over to a website called thenextweb.com. Basically, I'm gonna turn YouTube dark. What, what, why would you want to do that? Basically, if YouTube is taking over the world when it comes to video. About a month ago, they really made a big push. YouTube made a big push for YouTube TV. So now you can pay YouTube. I think it's like nine bucks a month, or is it 30 bucks? I think it's nine bucks a month, and you can stream TV through YouTube now. I don't use it, but basically, you can turn YouTube into a more cinematic experience.  So let's test it out. And there's a trick to do it. Here it is. It's, here's the, I'll try and link down to this website, this channel right now. But here we go. Ready? Watch this. So we're gonna do option command I. We're gonna go to console. We're gonna copy that, or paste that, hit enter. And then we're gonna close that. Let me just hop back. Make sure I do this correctly. And then I believe it's up here. Dark theme off. Activate dark theme. You see that over here? That is cool! Whoa! Down in the description, check it out. I will do a step-by-step. It's not too hard to do. I'll do it for Mac and for Windows. So look below if you want to turn your YouTube experience dark. I'm actually gonna keep mine probably light, but it's good to know how to do it in case you're, you know, excited to pop that popcorn on a Friday night and have more of a cinematic experience on YouTube. Okay. Lastly, for vlog number 400. Am I overstepping my bounds here? Kofusi, Fabio, Damien, Andrew, John and Sean. Am I overstepping my bounds? Do you want to see your channel what it's gonna look like? I'm gonna do it! I'm gonna do it! This is what Kofusi channel is gonna look like under the new design of YouTube. You ready? I might be overstepping my bounds. Kofusi, there it is. Excuse me. There it is. Crisp, clean, big. All right, Fabio. Boom! Over in Austria. Not too shabby, big. I like it. I like it. Damien. Yes. There it is. There it is. Andrew in the UK! Boom! Not too shabby. John out in California. I need to talk more about John. John, there you go. Over a thousand subscribers. High five, John. So, not too shabby. Looks good, right? And lastly, but not least, Sean. Who's that? A hyperlapse aficionado, cool. Good stuff, right? All right. So that's what your channels will look like. And that concludes today's YouTube tricks and tips. And thanks for tuning in to vlog number 400.


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Hello and welcome to this series of Getting Started with STM32Cube.AI and Motion Sensing on STM32L4 IoT node. The video application node series is divided in three sections. In the first section we will go through an introduction of the STM32Cube.AI, the Human Activity Recognition and the prerequisite for the end zone. In the second section we will create the project using STM32Cube IDE and we will configure the peripherals needed to acquire the sensor. In the last section we will add the neural network to process the accelerometer data and obtain the Human Activity Recognition using STM32Cube.AI, a brief introduction of ST microelectronics and our AI solution. As one of the world's largest semiconductor companies, ST has been actively involved in AI research topics. Thanks to the new set of AI solutions from ST, you can now have the possibility to map and run pre-trained artificial neural network on the broad STM32 microcontroller portfolio. You can use the power of deep learning to announce signal processing performance and increase the productivity in your STM32 application. There are five key steps behind running neural network on MCUs. First capture data, then clean and label collected data and build the network topology. Train the neural network with the data and convert the trained model into optimized code that runs on STM32 microcontrollers. And finally, run the neural network on the device. Here we can see the last three steps. Normally the training of neural network is done by data scientists or machine learning engineers, while the implementation of MCU is done by embedded engineers. STM32Cube.AI is a convenient and efficient conversion tool in between. It is the bridge linking these two steps. Besides, STM32Cube.AI is also an extensive toolbox to support easy creation of AI applications. We have examples, community support, various training, end zone workshop, as well MOOCs, and partner video from our partner program. In this application note series, we will learn how to create a motion sensing application to recognize human activities using machine learning on an STM32 microcontroller. The model used classifies activities such as stationary, walking, or running, from accelerometer data provided by the LSM6DSL sensor. We will be creating a human activity recognition application by learning how to read motion sensing data, how to generate neural network code for STM32 using XCube.AI, how to input sensor data into a neural network code, and how to output the interference results. Here we can see a high level block diagram of the application. We have a first initialization phase with the configuration of the peripherals, like I2C and UART. Then we have an infinite loop where we acquire the accelerometer data, and when we have enough data we call the neural network interference. The neural network will output the human activity recognition, such as stationary, walking, or running. In this example, we are using a simple neural network model. We are more focused on the flow with STM32Cube.AI and STM32Cube.AI. Before getting started, here is the list of software and hardware we will need. We will use STM32Cube.AI version 1.5.0 or later, and within Cube.AI you will be able to install XCube.AI version 5.2.0 or later for the neural network conversion tool and neural network runtime library, and XCube.MEMS 1 version 8.2.0 or later for the motion sensor component drivers. We are going to need a serial terminal application, such as TerraTerm, and for the hardware we will use the STM32L4 discovery kit IoT node, that is the B-L475E-IoT01A. Here you can find some useful links. The first one is the wiki page associated with this video application node. You can use this link to copy paste the code described in the next videos. You can use the second link to download STM32Cube.AI. In the third link you can find the pre-trained Keras model that we will integrate in our application. You will also find data sets used to train the model and a Python notebook to train your own model. Finally, a link to the FPAI sensing one, the STM32Cube function pack for ultra-low-power IoT node with artificial intelligence applications based on audio and motion sensing.


My name's Marnie. I didn't put a trigger warning. I feel like maybe I should have, but there's brief nudity in one slide, not total nudity, just suggestive. And also, there's two instances of microaggressions. And what else? Oh, I might curse. I didn't realize that there were little kids. I'll try not to curse. You can probably tell by my face when I'm thinking about cursing. OK, now, really. This is Riot Girl in the tech world. First off, raise your hand if you know what Riot Girl is. Cool. It's a lot more than when I was practicing. Uh, for those of you that don't know, Riot Girl was a movement in the 90s. It was all about punk rock feminism, empowerment through music, even if you didn't know how to play, just picking up an instrument and going at it, and being loud, and promoting each other through zines and community. A lot of bands from that era are like Bikini Kill, Slater Kinney, Bratmobile, Heavens to Betsy. There's some good stuff. But what can we learn from Riot Girl? You know, I'm going to talk about the similarities that we face, that women in music face, that women in tech face, that also women in music. I'm just going to say the same words over and over again. You know, look at the parallels between our obstacles, how we overcome those obstacles, and what the next steps are. First off, what do women in tech and women in music have in common? This is the very tiny, hard to read, lineup for the Pitchfork Music Festival. It's next month. There's some cool bands. This is all of those bands that have at least one woman in them. That's 13 out of 46. And other big music festivals are pretty similar. I mean, Lollapalooza has 38 bands playing that have at least one woman in them out of 138. Bonnaroo has 33. At a 215, Coachella has 26 out of 166. I know, it's, yeah. So it's kind of brutal. And we see this trend somewhere else. This is the top tech industry contenders and the percentage of women that work at them. It ranges from 10 to 30% roughly, which is the same percentage as the music festival numbers that I was giving you. So it's pretty brutal. Both of us are up against similar odds against the generally white male industry. So what do we do with that? What can Raya Girl teach us? First off, that's Bikini Kill. The front singer is Kathleen Hannah. She is one of the co-founders of the Raya Girl movement. And in 1991, she helped put out a zine called Bikini Kill zine number two. And in it had the Raya Girl manifesto, which is like 10 to 20 points, all starting with the word because. Nothing prefixes it. So you kind of have to use your imagination, like we need Raya Girl because this or we need to play music because this. And so I'm gonna go over three of the points that I picked because I only have so much time to talk about it. Because we are angry at society that tells us girl equals dumb, girl equals bad, girl equals weak. So Raya Girl did a great job of reassigning these variables. They said, no, we're not dumb. We play music and we write lyrics that are meaningful.  We're not weak, we're strong. And we hear this message all the time in tech. This year on Mother's Day, Spotify was like, oh, hey, how would you explain Spotify to your mom? There could be free Spotify premium in it for her. Their example being it's music that's in the cloud. No, not that kind of cloud. Because Spotify is so much more complicated than raising a kid. Twitter isn't safe. Conferences aren't necessary to say, this is so small. This was an Atlassian camp last year where the Schmuck was talking about software called Maven comparing it to his girlfriend. He says, looks beautiful, complains a lot, demands my attention, interrupts me when I'm working, doesn't play well with my other friends. We know that this is bull.  We know that, that joke did not land with my friends at all. That's really, I feel better. We know that this is nonsense. We're above that, we're better than that. So what do we do? We hear this message, we hear all this bull. How do we turn it upside down? This is Bratmobile, brings me to my next point. Because we are unwilling to let our real and valid anger be diffused and or turned against us via the internalization of sexism as witnessed in girl-girl jealousism and self-defeating girl-type behaviors. This means that we take this bull and we flip it on its head. We don't turn against each other. No, we make something greater out of it. For example, in the music industry this year, The Stranger put out Men Who Rock. This is their second one. They did one in like 2012 also. And they interview male musicians with the same kind of obnoxious questions that female musicians get. Like, what do you take in your beauty bag when you're on tour? And asking about relationship status. And women in music face the same sort of bull that we face where we have to be women in tech, not just people in tech, because of things way out of my reach. We have to be both. We have to be women in tech as well as people in tech. Female musicians have to be female musicians as well as musicians.  And we see this fun reversal in the tech industry too. In 2010, this book came out called Engineer Barbie. Engineer Barbie was not a very good engineer, unfortunately. She had a tendency to spread viruses and well, on this one, says, I'm only creating the design ideas, Barbie says, laughing. Only Steven and Brian's helped to turn them into a real game. So, thanks to the wit of the feminist community, in 2014, someone scanned these pictures, took out the text, created a Heroku app, a website that's called Feminist Hacker Barbie where anyone can put what Barbie's saying. Here she's talking about JavaScript implementations while of course smiling and eating or frozen yogurt. Another really good example is like all of the Tim Hunt stuff in the science community, which I feel like I shouldn't go into, but it's so funny. It's such another great example of just turning the nonsense upside down and pointing out how absurd it is. Brings me to my last point. So we get, this is Slater Kenny, we get all of this nonsense, we turn it on its head, but we have to do more than that. There's always, always more to do. Because doing, reading, seeing, hearing cool things that validate and challenge us can help us gain the strength and sense of community that we need in order to figure out how bullshit, like racism, able-bodiedism, ageism, speciism, classism, finism, sexism, antisemitism and heterosexism figures into our own lives. I wanna start by saying the Riot Girl movement was criticized for being a very white girl movement. And the 90s are over, Riot Girl is over. We need to learn from their strengths and from their weaknesses. We need to have intersectionality in our feminism because otherwise it's just hypocrisy. I mean, we know this, hopefully. Else it's not really equality. But, so what does this look like? What are these rad, cool things that we do and see and hear? What do they look like in Riot Girl? It looked like zines and music. And in tech, it looks like all sorts of different things, like various apps. Hollaback, it's a website where if you are a cat called on the street, harassed on the street, you can type the story up, put it on Hollaback. Other people can read it and say, hey, I hear you, I've got your back. Another example is the Purple Pocket Book. It is an app designed to look like a shopping website, but it actually is full of resources for the state of Georgia for domestic violence resources. There's also fly rights.  It makes it significantly easier to report a TSA, file an official TSA complaint if you feel discriminated against for any reason. So there's really cool stuff out there. We see all this cool stuff out there. What do we do? We write zines about it. Well, we don't write zines about it. We write blogs about it. It's our new age scene. Way cheaper than the photocopier. So we have to blog about these things. If you need a starting point for finding cool stuff, geek feminism wiki is a great resource for just getting your feet wet with how many cool things are out there and buy women, buy a minority class, people, everyone. Just cool stuff. I zoned out for a second and this is the wrong place to do that. So we need to make the cool stuff that we want to see. We want to promote each other through community, through blogs, tweeting. We don't have a cool thing. We don't have a cool phrase like riot girl. Like we can't claim that as like the women in tech have tech world, it just doesn't, it falls flat. But we don't need that. Cause we have this great community. We have our own language as feminists. We have our own amazing spunk that is indescribable but so funny. And we are just awesome.  We need to keep picking up the instrument and playing music that we want to hear and we need to make the games and the technology that we want to see. And I swear I wrote it down. We need to take space for when we do have these accomplishments and make these accomplishments and when we play music even if it's not good. We need to keep doing it. And no one gives you the title of punk rock star. You have to take it. You have to claim it as yourself. It's not something on LinkedIn that you can sign up for. You have to own it and share it with each other and with ourselves. So that's all I've got. If you want playlists, more reading, any of the sources for these slides and the facts that I just kind of spat out at you all, you can email me. I'll send you this PowerPoint. All the notes are full of every piece of information you could maybe ask me about probably not realistically but it's a start. Thanks.


Welcome to economics and beyond. I'm Rob Johnson president of the Institute for New Economic Thinking. I'm here today with author Psychologist and dear friend John O'Neill. He's been the president of California School of Professional Psychology He's been a leadership coach he's written books like the very profound paradox of success leadership at keto and Seasons of Grace which is a wonderful book about gratitude that he wrote with the head of Ellen Jones the head of the Great Cathedral John I Reaching out to you today. Thank you for joining me, but I can feel within my bones an urgency This is a great time of disorientation a great time of despair time of transformation and you've had these beautiful conferences and most importantly a long time ago After I got off to the airplane From the going from Kennedy Airport to Beijing and I hadn't taken anything to read I ran another book shop when I got this book called the paradoxic success and I read it and when I got to World Economic Forum you were running a panel and I became a client and you helped me sort myself out is one of the most disoriented Confusing times of my life so in a disoriented confusing time for society I couldn't imagine bringing a greater grip to my audience and by and then inviting you to explore with me here tonight So thanks for thanks for being a part of this Well, you're welcome. I'm delighted. I'm just delighted Well, John you you are also I'm gonna go right to the heart of the matter at the outset You've recently written a book that hasn't been released yet. It's called life the whole enchilada And you've created a wonderful nudge in your profile of me where you said I was too media shy And if you said to me, who's my co-author and found in this podcast? There is no question that was when I read that paragraph in golf I said I better get on my horse John John's back But John we're where we are right now Lots of social unsustainability lots of despondent politics Lots of fear of climate change and then this pandemic comes down like an alien on the planet earth and I Want to hope that it's a gift because it was disorienting an unsustainable system But it's too daunting to be that cheerful at the outset How are you seeing what's happening? You've worked with powerful people as the life coach Many many people who are in the which I call the pantheon of American awareness and heroes What are you seeing them? What are you? What are you recommending and teaching people in this dreadful experience? Well, thanks, Rob. It's a great pleasure to be here. Let me go quickly Through the setup, so I I kind of understand where where you want to go and make sure I'm going in the right direction Let's start with look where we are Let's identify it properly because we so often don't and that's understandable since we live in the present and we're now Experiencing the future that we've never seen and we don't understand There are three parts to the future as I see it that are hitting us sort of almost all at once The first part is we had a very flawed economic system That has kind of held us up in a curious way It floated us if you will you can imagine humanity floating on a sea of economic nonsense So that's number one that's been going on for some time and you and others have been trying to call attention to that The second thing is this thing called climate change, which is very slow it makes It makes market crashes look almost Speedy as it were but when you have something as Grand and as horrible as we have been treating the earth our Tribe, if you will has been deliberately trying to destroy the earth as best they can Without knowing that that's what they're they're doing By just gouging us taking a piece here a piece there letting this go by the way Whatever pleases us. In fact, there's a very interesting group of Israelis who wrote a book called sapiens I've been deep into that and and into the heads of those guys and they've got they've got a full understanding I think of how serious this is how deliberate it is and how hard it is to turn around It's not easy at all. And then the third thing is the consequences of Climate change may be reinforcing the pandemic So if it didn't reinforce this one, it will the next one Because climate deeply affects how we interact with each other and As you know, this is not the first not the last pandemic will have more and Climate change in addition to all the other things is doing To affect our lives is a deeply deeply affecting in the case of something like a pandemic a new disease So there's all the good news right up front. That's where we are. Let's go Let's don't blunt it. Let's don't put any kind of a sheen on it But let's do is to try to understand how we got here And when Europe was in deep trouble back in the 20s and 30s really deep trouble And it suddenly erupted in the form of Nazi Germany We were surprised, but if you did just a little bit of work, you could see Where all the shadows were all over Europe dark dark shadows I'm reading another Churchill book I've written though I'm he's a lot of that written about him. They're all pretty good This one is very good and Churchill saw these shadows and He was almost panicky about it. He had a kind of sensitivity to it he saw the dark thing that was happening and So did young Carl young and so did Freud and They were the ones who gave it the name Shadow and what it is is all the repressed anger and fear that we walk around with every day Suddenly comes to the surface And we see really frightening horrible things happening And that's what happened in Nazi Germany. You can read that in great detail So we know that and we know that we have shadows all over the place our society right now It's probably Filled with shadows that we have never really believed we would have We have shadows of the most horrible kind of bigotry That's just coming oozing out of it. It's almost like it's it's part of the plant That we call the earth.  Which would be nice. That would be lovely But most of them unfortunately right now are just leading us in the wrong direction In fact, I think what they're doing is really being us as a humanity Into the direction of some kind of game zero-sum game in which if I sit in here in the US and you sit Just south of the border of the US you're less Significant than I am You're less worthwhile in terms of what I should do for you In short, we become provincial. We become really ugly and our hatred And we've got to turn all that around all that shadow has to be released And if I didn't learn anything else From you on it said if you don't get things out of the shadow in your own personal life In your society, they're gonna come back and they're really going to haunt you and that's what we are Yeah, and when you talk about Climate change in your three-part context of where we are Ugliness hatred provincial it takes my mind rights to the United States in China who must collaborate on climate change Pandemics and many other issues For this planet to survive Yeah, and we're going in the wrong direction that high velocity right now in terms of that Corruptive and collaborative spirit So when did that start in your mind Rob? When did we start to turn that corner? Oh in the US China relationship, I I'm quite Attended as you know, I even When I was flying from Beijing to Davos when I first met you I was I Ran the Soros quantum emergent growth in the non-Japan Asia portfolio In those days, and I've stayed very Devoted to to them and that region and its implications for the world ever since and What I would say is John there's a kind of Rough and tumble political economy and you see America Multinational enterprise in particular Going over foreign direct investment Technology diffusing into China Taking advantage of low environmental restrictions low labor costs and Exporting back to the United States What we saw in that context Was very very disruptive Influence particularly in the manufacturing sector in the United States But what we saw Was when the currency The Chinese were memby was misaligned when it was undervalued with the dollar a Whole bunch of powerful interest in the United States Nike Walmart people who benefited from foreign direct investment Try to stop the United States government from Complaining and demanding adjustment Wall Street Wanted access to the financial market of China as it modernized and integrated with the rest of the world So there were and there was what I'll call the Pepsi dream Pepsi or Coca-Cola can sell 1.2 billion consumers huge scale And all of those dreams carry us from the 1990s Maybe even a little earlier in the era of Deng Xiaoping Through the WTO But and this is before Donald Trump the Chinese started to have to improve their environmental conditions the Chinese started to have to Raise the compensation of their workforce as they were moving towards the middle income status and Many people were migrating to the coastline the Chinese had a lot of woundedness from the opium war had a lot of woundedness from the Japanese invasion During the war the second world war and The dignity of that nation which was once called the Middle Kingdom was Harmed was wounded and they sought to regain their stature Around 2015 and this is really to answer your point Chinese did not choose to integrate their financial market They compartmentalized their market maintained the intensified capital controls, right? American technology firms were finding instead of the magic what I call the Coca-Cola dream The Chinese were learning the technology and then replicating the firm right next door and the state management would Facilitate growth of market share by the domestic firm not by the joint venture. All right the rising labor standards and the rising wages compressed the profits of the traditional Chinese foreign direct investments owned by the best and I would say Finally, the Chinese announced a program called China 2025 which discuss displacing knowledge intensive Systems or sectors of production With Chinese domestic Including things like the Silicon Valley the Amazons and Googles and so forth being held out and domestic alternatives So the Americans said in a model of comparative advantage. They didn't meld with our system. They didn't converge with our system They didn't allow us Market share and benefits and even in 2014 and 15 places as multilateral as the council on foreign relations were writing angry hostile National state strategy anti-Chinese reports. Yeah, add to that with the workforce that had been displaced in manufacturing watched a deregulation Tax cuts for the wealthy and a gutting of their infrastructure and school systems and no adjustment systems and that's Chinese fault. That's the response of the American Plutocratic governance So you have two wings The powerful felt like they had to develop a tougher stance vis-a-vis China And the people who've been displaced were bitter and despair Yeah, and Donald Trump brought those together But those reports and those episodes that I described here in a long-winded way were all available on January 10 of 2015 and he didn't get elected until November of 2016 right, right The Chinese the Chinese will say to you we never intended to converge to become free market capitalism We have a different social system and a social philosophy and We're we that was your illusion not ours. Yeah Well, the other little fact of it. I remember I think you told me it was Japan Japan had really come up in fact if you remember a wonderful book my friend Tony Ackles wrote called Japanese the Japanese System of the Japanese method and what it said was really they they understood how to do manufacturing that Japan Really had conquered that and they were going to take over manufacturing and the Chinese took that very seriously and so what they did Was they began to steal all of Toby's work? Because they thought he had the right the right idea and and then when that when the paradox came out and it took off and in in Japan which surprised them and South Korea started to buy a lot of copies China decided to publish it themselves and So they didn't bother telling us about it They just went ahead and published it and then distributed it to to the first-year class Of every college student in China. Wow, and why why did they do that? Because they saw what happened in Japan was that as soon as they got successful really successful They started to ball it and they really gave away their their advantage and we remember that very well So China's been playing the long game and the short game. We always want to give them one game or the other Well, you're right. This round time. I met you 1995 I think we met it's 1994 The Chinese did a massive Devaluation and before that the Japanese were doing their outward foreign direct investment right in Malaysia Thailand Indonesia and It reoriented The Asia crisis of the late 1990s 97 98 was the byproduct of the 94 devaluation Which just reoriented all production towards China and away from the ASEAN Constellation so and so the Japanese were outsourcing and faltering at home and Then China accelerated that and drew the energy through their platform their country. Yeah, exactly exactly They also revamped their educational system, which we don't need to go into here but they were playing many many many sides to this game and Frankly, they just saw that we were just getting behind that we were getting lazy We were getting very self-satisfied. We were bragging about how good we were and always a bad thing and And they saw that and Japan and China both took advantage of it So Rob, are you engaging these days much of in giving the pandemic? what comes next and And and then what is it that we need to be doing? People like us. What do we need to be doing to help out in the effort? Very much at the center of our inquiry. I mean I John I start with the Institute for new economic thinking in the realm of ideas the Dysfunction that you described the failure of the economy the challenge of climate the pandemic is an unmasking Okay, no one can stand up at this juncture, right? Even when people are afraid and and want to cling to the familiar in the past they cannot stand up and tell you the Orthodox economic model Will deliver you from evil, right? Because ever it's like Rome's burning here Exactly, and we can't be civil so it is the in the intellectual realm the question of what do people trust? believe in what I will call the the collapse in the integrity and Trust in expertise, which has got a lot of negative consequences But the question of the resurrection of expertise is a part of I net's view, but but John What's interesting to me is these are not disembodied Mechanical external sizes. These are emotional textured exercise and you have worked with leaders leaders probably Are susceptible To thinking that their formula that brought them to power and strengths might be good for all time. That's right They become systemic conservatives. They become defending of what Ernest Becker would call their Their legacy or their immortal identity precisely just beyond their bodily life, right? How do you break leadership out of those? Crutches and put them on the path of truly leading Evolving the dynamic and being truly great which deserves a legacy of that. How do how you you live in? Tutoring people including myself at much higher level people. How do you help that process? Recently Rob, I've been doing two things and they both seem to be working and I don't want to Say enough to brag about but one of them is to insist. I won't work with any company now Unless they give me ten questions that are vexing them that they must answer in the next five years Ten questions and they're big ones and they can't just be trivial. They'd have to be really serious and One of them is a very large transportation company that everybody knows the name of And they're now working on the sixth. I that was two years ago when I did that presentation They're not working on their sixth big crack through that'll keeps them up to load Transportation is really up for grabs. They know it. They're very smart people And so that's the first thing I do is insist that they claim their problems In other words, it's another to translate that into Jungian speak Insist that they look at the shadows What's brought them here what makes them great? What do they brag about in all their ads? Well, that's where your shadows are. Let's get on with it the second thing is that I Then I insist that they form teams and that those teams be extremely well balanced even if they have to go outside the company Well balanced in every Possibility so that they don't have a bunch of feet People from the staff sitting on these committees. They can have a seat one but that's it and so The same company had teams of ten there and they cut those back to eight because it's a global company They were having a hard time sustaining that But that's what's solving the problem Is what is it that we as a team can understand and get our arms around and solve And that's going to make the difference in our business and to our customers and the whole exercise starts with a deep understanding of what their customers are going through Especially if they don't know their customers very well and in this case This company is in so many different business lines That they know just a little bit about their customers, but not a lot So that's that's what that's today's exercise. It's it's doesn't sound very Exciting or glamorous, but it's it's quite effective Well at some level it's not wasting your time They're prepared right they can't impart and be and benefit you can't impart to them and benefit from your insights with them So so why bother when there's all kinds of yearning out there for you to serve So I think well, it's interesting how quickly Big global companies say, yeah, you're right. I mean they absolutely see it and They just never have known quite what to do about it or it's come to them at different pieces and never as a global problem And how about individual leaders, how do you what I would call Help them evolve into a constructive and less careful or defensive posture Well that takes that takes much more time, unfortunately So the first thing is they have to spend their first year when we're together Digging into their shadows where are they what do they how do they get there? How they gotta get rid of them and that's a that really turns out to be the most exciting part of the exercise They love it. Mm-hmm.  Is it? They the shadows keep growing the ego keeps getting bigger and juicier and They just simply have to go through a number of exercises to get that back in some kind of shape You know, especially if they had a serious damage like you did where they had a big overnight success and There was no time for anybody to be prepared for it. So then you had to go back and dig out and say, okay What happened here? Days when I was disoriented and shuddering and yeah People wouldn't let me watch soccer games to my children because they all wanted to do business deals They're trying to top enough Oh, yeah, as you know, I clung to my buddies from Detroit to get Grounded if I knew that there was love between us that existed before that crazy fanfare And I remember a reading that you sent me There's a Indian guru Sri Ramana Ramana Maharshi Maharshi, excuse me Yeah, and there was a woman who was a disciple Her name was Lucy Cornelsen. Oh my god, you remember that hunting the eye Satisfied I was not in a place that I thought was Resonant with where I wanted to be I kept saying to me this has got to be a chapter not the whole book But when I read Lucy Cornelsen hunting the eye and hunting the eye was Title paraphrase which said essentially when you're unhappy you start to dig in and when you finally dig in the thing you're hunting Is your own ego? And it's how you break through that You're not on a path towards what they would call enlightenment or or a deeper sense of purpose Right and and I kept felt like I'm hunting myself. I used to look in the mirror and say that you were you were like how would I say my Advisor in the field to kill this animal That's it. That's it. You gotta find it. You gotta find it but But I think John, you know they My intuition here is that For us collectively and individually to make progress It's precisely at the time that People are most disoriented and anxious that they can become most defensive. Yeah, right and I remember readings There's a wonderful philosopher names Steven Tullman. He wrote a book about the It was a call the hidden history of modernity. It's called Cosmopolis and in the book. He said You could see After the 30 years war how everybody was afraid they went into this abstract place that we now call the Cartesian Enlightenment All right, and the humanism of Shakespeare and the humanism of All right, turn me over to the famous French humanist Starts with an M Montaigne Montaigne. Oh Monty. Yeah, and these people were almost extinguished in terms of the mindset and Then you applied the technocratic Disciplines the mechanical disciplines that worked well in the natural science the social science And what Tullman says and then the fault lines just became so big and so vivid But every time you had a social breakdown people got so scared They lurched back to the familiar not forward to the evolution in the case study in his book was the civil rights movement the 1960s the Eastern philosophy the enlightenment of different ways of seeing and And the anti-war movement I was he fueled some of that and then everybody lurched back into what I'll call the years of Reagan's right and the nostalgia and And he wrote the book about all of these episodes, but the culminating chapters were those and So I guess it's a long-winded way of asking you a question. What do we do now? What do we do now so that we don't? Sit in the fetal position Drink too much huddle Around our past successes. How do we how do we help people? leap forward and embrace this very Complex and disorienting failure of many of our systems and put help you help you back together. Yes Right, okay. Well, first of all we have to completely revise and update and clean up The education system. We are not educating people. We haven't for a long time We are at best. We're at best training them and training them to be technocrats Yeah, and and we're afraid of true education. We're afraid because True education as we all know is based on questions ask the great mystics ask the great philosophers questions questions questions and we become terrified of questions and I wasn't going to use Trump, but I have to one of the worst and Saddest tragedies that we're witnessing here is his inadequate capacity To frame a good question Questions terrified poor Donald because poor Donald doesn't have even attack one sensibly and honestly he throws some kind of TV made up Language at the question and then walks away and pretends that it didn't happen And so we're we're stuck for this little tiny period right now that we're in Yeah, until we get on the other side of this and Begin to really ask questions. So I'm going to give you a hint about what I'm going to tell Joe Biden when he calls All right So Biden's gonna call and he's gonna say what can I do at this stage because the world is coming apart And they don't want to hear his political speech and I'm gonna say yes, don't do that No political speeches no pious babble But what you can do is begin to get people equated with the big questions that have to be raised Where are we going? How are we gonna get there? Who's gonna take us there? One of the big barriers that we face How can we use our generosity and warmth and and love? In our favor as opposed to turning that into some kind of acidic Process that destroys everything we see And I'm gonna ask him to appoint his new cabinet. I'm following Doris Kearns Goodwin's great book and Say, okay starting tomorrow. These are the people I'm going to have around me and I'm promising them a job in in the cabinet We'll sort out what that the exact details is how that's going to work But in the meantime, I've asked them all to address the biggest three questions that they know of in their realm You know if they're in HEW, what are the three is three biggest questions there and so forth Wherever their center of expertise is and we've seen what this nice Italian frail Doctor has done with the pandemic He's gradually take over the leadership of that whatever there is Because he's honest and he's decent and he asked good questions and he doesn't pretend like he knows everything Yeah, so if Joe had a cabinet like that that just kind of Just honestly just filled the room with that kind of energy that kind of a remarkably Exciting adventure. We don't want to go. We all want to jump on That's what Joe is going to hear from me when he calls and I hope it doesn't what was Lawrence Goodwin's book. You said That democratic promise team of rivals Okay, okay. Yeah, Lincoln's cabinet. Oh, right, right And you remember Rob. He promised those people their cabinet positions when they were still in Chicago at the convention That's right That's well. He that way he let out To the party bosses. We're gonna be in good hands. We're not gonna have any Really horrible people on the other hand He reassured a lot of people that they were gonna have a real job to do and they weren't coming just to fill up seats Yes Yes, well, I I'm very interested. I know John. You've been involved in the Relationship between technology and broadening the dissemination and access to education. There you go and the other dimension that I I've also powerfully impacted by one of the future guests on this podcast and man has been a fellow at I net Michael Sandel He's right.  And he's got a new book now. That's in process coming out probably in the fall called the tyranny of meritocracy and I know other William Dara switch at Yale has one called Excellent Sheik the miseducation of the American elite. Yeah, and and what interests me here is that When you watch Trump get elected I'm really going looping back to his incapacity to be supple and empathetic and Confident in an intellectual realm actually met with some applause Because the whole lot of people felt like elite degrees We're not a symbol of someone who had earnestly gone deep and Bought and had gifts to battle pattern recognition and could synthesize Say from a position of leadership and governance for the common good they knew these people is getting a certificate to membership In the elite club that was a marketing agency for plutocracy and corporate dollars and So the excellent sheik We're becoming what you might call in the knowledge and sense of inputs to production and legitimation And they weren't dealing with the big questions because the big questions are often paradoxical They are all dilemmas. They have a sense of poetic Publications, they're unsettling Yeah, who are self-satisfied with their existing power precisely and I Really have been interested In your passion Through your good life series, which I've attended and enjoyed greatly and through our conversations about how not only do you want to reform the Dissemination of education but the content of what is in that education and the things you had us reading were old Shakespearean plays and Philosophical tracks and biographies of fast and people like Churchill How do how do we? Not only use technology to create broader access But reset what is the priority of content? To create a more soulful society and leadership within that society Well, we probably need right away something like well what David Brooks asked for this morning was trivial compared to what we really need We need a WPA for the mind and the soul We need big big projects Rescuing kids rescuing people who are on the streets and so forth not just rescue them to feed them and put them in some kind of housing What we need is to rescue them as people before they get there if we can and then help them find their way out on their own And that requires a huge huge undertaking It's the WPA the mind and the soul and we need that now. We need it right today And if we just change people a little bit if we just give them enough hot food and housing to keep going While we create another one of these problems We haven't done a damn thing. So we need to get on with Real real examination at the roots of our society. Why are we here? What are we doing? Why do we need so damn many of us? We don't and How are we going to deal with climate change those questions alone? Would bring us to our knees if we truly addressed them Mm-hmm. I agree. I Agree, I see a lot of people Which you might call working to disseminate those STEM disciplines to the Emerging countries and poor regions within the advanced countries and so forth and that's not a bad thing No, but I think the deepening of that curriculum of The sense defining the sense of collective and individual purpose from a deeper place That's also a missing ingredient Huge ingredient and that by the way is the job of tomorrow's leader that we need the one we need right there Yeah that's the job and We have lost so we were so far away from that. It's just it's just the most scary how far away and yet I'm not pessimistic. I think we can do it. I Think we can do it if I can watch some some huckster from New York Have as much power and wield it and they create so much damage What would it be like if we found someone who was really good And she started to ask these questions and get us to ask them. Yes So we've proven we can destroy now. Let's prove we can build and I Know how I said, yeah, I can't remember what you Describe people that in your new book Yeah, you're the whole enchilada Life the whole inch cloud. I would call this the working title. Yeah, you have people who were like shapers They were like shapers of The future or I can't remember what how you described it, but there were sort of certain people that were like embodiment of wisdom Right, right. That's right. Emphasize and then there were other people who were like examples and It was just fascinating for me to see, you know, how you wove than the Nelson Mandela's and others into this vision and and it was done beautifully in the Because I can feel your professional experience the different stages of life Yeah, require different How do you say different transitions and different types of Wisdom and different types of teaching. I always remembered Kimber who was it that said her name was Pearson and and She said the hardest transition for a man is to go from being the warrior to being the wizard You're done with your accomplishments and now you're trying to impart Goodness Elevation for other people. Yeah, she was sort of a Joseph Campbell Style of writer and I'll have to dig that up. I remember James Hollis writing a lot about these issues as well That's right. The passage is in the middle of life and particularly he focused in some of his writings What was the one on the under Saturn shadow? That's it. You gave I remember that was a book that you turned me on to it. So that's but I think but You talk also about in the mature years. We have people who are very powerful and elderly and Looks like what was Helen Luke's book old age. Yeah, right Her chapter of the windowing fan about the kind of fantasy beyond Homer's Odyssey that There was a passage in Homer's Odyssey which talked about What you had to do to evolve to the next stage it was left there and She wrote the story of what should have been We can my call the story that fulfilled that curiosity. That's correct. Yeah, but I'm just curious what it for people 55 and over Other than the paradox of success a keynote leadership What what where do you take those people so that they don't feel powerless or helpless or put out to pasture in this new technological age How do you what's your call to action to them? Well, I think Thank you. I my feeling is that you named most of the people For whom we should express our eternal gratitude, okay, you name most of them our teachers right our mentors the people who we I call wisdom carriers people who brought a little bit of wisdom to a young guy in Detroit just at the right moment and It took them in a whole direction that he never knew existed and then these lovely people called character shapers and And I I love that name because it really means that they came along and in their own way Shaped our characters and we may or may never remain never have actually thanked them for it, you know So now's our time To thank them now's our time to show our gratitude Because without them without a John Gardner in my case my life would have been very very different Without a Nelson Mandela who came into my life. It would have been very different for me and so forth each one brought something and The proximity didn't matter as much as our readiness to listen That's what mattered. Hmm So when whenever you meet someone like that to my for me, I think it was Eleanor Roosevelt when I was just a kid it Just changed somehow how I thought about the world Because the questions L. R. Roosevelt Asked me raised me 10 feet off the floor because she really was honoring me with those questions And I felt like hey, I can go do things. I can go I can go do a lot So those are the people who are that I think we need a lot more of and we need to recognize them And the funny thing is you don't need to pay them huge salaries. They really like doing what they do and wouldn't do anything else Yes, but they in essence They're not working for money. They're working for missions. That's exactly right and they love learning themselves So it just makes their lives so happy to help teach a grateful student. Well, it does you and me I mean, we're very grateful Occasionally when we get a student who comes along and says, you know, I want to know something and boy, it feels so good. Yeah. Yeah, it does and So John, I I think you ought to be in Joe Biden's cabinet If this was the circus you should be the ringmaster If you had if you had a if you had a way of being the person That could filter out who belongs and Who doesn't in that role of leadership with all the teaching. I remember Joe Henderson was a big teacher of yours All the people that you've shared with me All the ways that I've come to understand my own challenges. If you were sitting at Joe Biden's side and or whoever is the president side, but I think You'll be talking to him. If you if you were sitting there with him You can recognize the character, the sense of purpose and and help people refine and evolve that And I think I think it could it could transpire you could bring it off. I mean, I remember reading George Leonard's book Mastery That's your initiative. That's right. And the gifts from the sea which was an easy one because I was a sailor sailor and There were just so many different Tom's and things that did jog me. I kind of like I feel like I want to raise money So if Joe Biden's elected You can use half the money for his Election campaign from the other half is to support your office in his White House Well, I would I would be honored to help set something like that up that would be great fun So if you run into an opportunity to do it, let's let's do it together. Okay. All right, as you said in your reference to me in your latest book That we need as Dylan Thomas said to all go bravely into the dark night. I Know you're the guy with the flashlight I Want to I want to thank you for being with me today And exploring and I want to reserve the right in a few months time to call you back It might be the day after election day see how I can What you've taught me and help you in part To this next administration these necessary ingredients so that we can evolve That would be lovely. Thank you so much. This has been great fun, my friend Never know where you're gonna pop up and Davos one day and the next day. I'm in Saucalina. Thank you so much Excellent. Thank you. Thank you. You too. Bye. Bye and check out more from the Institute for new Economic thinking at Inet economics.org