I want to grow, I want to do my thing. My dream is to retire when I'm 35. I don't want to be 35, I'm working. I want at 35, na kula matunda ya kaziangu. What's up everybody, welcome to SPM Buzz. My good name is Miski Thinge. Thank you so much for joining us. Make sure you subscribe. We are on the road to 200k subscribers and without your subscription we cannot get there. So please hit that subscribe button. Ikosawa? Alright guys on Buzz with stars today I am hanging out with a successful entrepreneur. He says I should not call him successful because he wants more but we can call him today that he is an entrepreneur. He is into tourism, travel, culture and he calls himself the Charity Ambassador. This is the one and only Kevin. Honrabo, sorry guys. Honrabo, Kevin Mi Gongo. Hi Kevin, how are you? I'm good, thank you. Nendelea Visuri? Go 50. I'm happy you're here. Yes. I think it's because I'm successful. You will insist on that. No, I want to be successful. I'm not yet. I just want to be successful. Alright guys as we go on with this conversation on the comments section let us know if you think he is successful already or we should leave the name. Don't judge a book by its cover. Alright guys other than that Kevin is also a politician. Yes we can say that because you've been into politics but okay we are getting to know Kevin and just getting encouragement and motivation to where he is today because he has done a lot. He has also been in the media. Kevin, thank you so much for getting time to be with us. I see you are very busy but we are going to make it brief and short. Now let's start from the fact that you were in media for more than 7 years. Is it 7 to 10? Around 7 years. So how was that for you especially media at that time and what exactly were you doing? So basically first to say when it came to media my late dad and mum they want me to be in media so it was so difficult so my dad always wanted us to be mufanya finance those medical all those things so when I cleared my phone for Adjaro Boys High School I was called at Tijeton University so I had applied for Acturio Science which I passed because I was in the papers I was in the papers I was in the papers I was in the papers so I came to discover what I needed to do so initially when I was in school I wanted to be a tourist let me tell you something I didn't know what it means but I just wanted to be a tourist so I wanted to be a teacher because other guys wanted me to be a doctor driver so I wanted to be a tourist so my teacher wanted me to be a tourist so when I go home my siblings my sisters I had one person so I go and tell my sisters I wanted to be a tourist and my teacher wanted me to be a tourist so they told me so Keshu Kulizwa wanted me to be a tourist guide so I told them no I can't be a tourist guide they wanted me to be a tourist they wanted me to be a tourist they wanted me to be a tourist they wanted me to be a tourist so when I was the first thing to click my mind I just wanted to be a tourist because I was watching so much tourism something something and my uncle had hotels we would go to his place so that's a tourist so when I finished school so when I finished school when I was in Fonfong I was in the tourism club when I came to when I was almost finishing a guy called Sleiman at Injora Boys High School to me he had a nice voice I came to join the journalism club so I did that so when I finished my Fonfong before so I said I want to be a now a radio presenter now when I finished Fonfong what was in the church so when I finished school he saw my news so I started looking for these presenters now after I finished Fonfong so one day I remember to share my high school so I'm supposed to join Ijaton University so I said my dad took me to Ijaton we paid the school fees for a whole semester the next day a friend of mine told me Ijaton University Ijaton University so I had also applied at Mascom so when the letters came of Ijaton and Mascom communication so Ijaton University so Ijaton University so Ijaton University so Ijaton University the next morning I told dad I'm going to town Fia from Nakuru to Nairobi 300 that time so badu nikona balance so I came direct and to the school the school told me ya we have your letter but the day for reporting expired so how did you know the letter was you had the letter no I came to when I was coming I came kut after shule kus I want to do media so I gave them my name so you didn't take it now the cz reporter takesho kare mbe no you can't kus shu shajaa so I call my friend he's called Mkanga in Nwambia he bro nita fanya aji told me now there's a school in town it's called Kimt Kenyansi Media Technology you pay a school fees of 300 3500 per month ah I saw this one is affordable I told them I want the letter like now so yo nikasa na ne babangwa kani kul juli enda up nikama niko niko Nairobi it's my first time in Nairobi atasiji maali so when I got the letter I went home so when I got home I'm just trying to move so fast so I told my dad nimi pata shule ya media and there's a very made a big station KTN 1 lipa ya school fees ya 2 years wewe kitu ta fanya 1 lipa ya 2 one ya e ya kasi kia yoni deal bataka niza yi shu na ta fanya media yi nanga kazi ayina pesa yi yoni yoni ataka you know what my dad did he called the school he paid the school fees for a whole year so he told me so sita sumbulyona school fees na nambia ya what do you want from me? pocket money na hostel so he paid the whole school fees for one year so siya najiwa the 2 years KTN ita lipa kuna malini mga na KTN simua kai meisha niki suma na ni kafungi so in that school when you're going you go with your kakad so if you not paid school fees you can't inge ya kus of course kuna atoto ahuko enia zia for nini so the paper month so i kaka i kaka i kaka singi shule that is after one year tani meisha nimi suma so nika mua kufanya nika nza business nga ara nika nza kupika cha pati so this cha pose I was picking yes somewhere at the side road they gave me money I was cooking up to I don't know 600 over 800 cha pati in a day and all sold out no not in a day evening at four on dionengia I start cooking na uza tenbu I was making kus at home we had a hotel na home nimi kuna pick up before nini in the school when I was in class 6, 7 and 8 so nika na experience nika na ato cha pati mekudo so nika nza kupika cha pati nga ara but niki pata mua nani jwa nana jwa kuetu naji feature nana talk I wish those days we had mask jwa nana jwa kuetu nani jwa it's not like my dad could not afford but siku adaku mu sumbu wajumaka elisha eana jwata sayi KTN na nani ndakuni pe job sayi yo ameni ambia nika ambia atile so nini wan ni elisha dadakani ambia nika ambia koimi ya kengini na baki badutendili akuni li piya hostel na nani pe doya kusavive so within that time head made friends in Nairobi nika hama hostel nika ndakuni shingara kwa zile nyu bazarilu rent was 4000 so jamatru ko nia kasi manimpe hangi 2000 now lemi cut then we'll go back to cha pati this guy nia li kwa mianza bizgi kumbia kuza mashati na matruza so akenda wuze shati zi kosa kuhisha ana kujahu umnazo ana ni ambia unu jononu na baki falafala in Nairobi nimi kule tia mashati sayo ni kosa zimi kosa kuhisha na ambia hiya tani kuban sayo hiya utava mia kambili sasa ikifikantime kuli parent ali kwa na ambia hiya unu na joka na deni angu zile shati so ni kwa na di parenti hote yes so before month isi ali kwa na mixu ame amelita shati so back to the business ya cha pati nimi wuza bedeni li kwa tana potea so nimi mesa wuna shule na nendele kuza bizgi ya cha pati na ni pekoz pade kata 2,000 amo 1,500 in the pocket sayo ni shafunga stock business nimi expand mchana nimi anza kuza mboshi na kikombi ten bobe sasa skumoja rege head employed ali potea aka potea na jiko maka na rogeo ajiwa rogeo hiya kupikia cha pati na maka na li potea na kila kitu so nimi wuna bezie around your decide I love to come around girls so wuna potea bobe zali potea san kajilu zantafanya ni na life sikuwa na option ni kuru di shule apa na saving ah no I was not saving I was not saving the money I get I was doing my business I was not saving sikuwa nimi anza kuwa sikuwa niku kula shere na Nairobi nimi nimi exactly because there is a place you are going in Gara I was drinking keg so those people who have maroli wakuna maroli up ome packing jawazai wana kunyua glasia 40 bobe mi na itisha jagia 120 jangaka kidiana kanafanya anga ni so ya but pesai na itisha so wuna kuasina do I was going to come so I decided I will go back to school so I went to school I told the soldier he said I was going to school he had stayed like 5 months so I went to see the principal I went to see the principal he said he was going to go to school he was going to school babangu wana fanyanga kazi korea kuchimba mawe sasa wana li pangopa ia wana za ali lipa so I was going to go to school I was going to go to school I was going to go to school I was going to go to school so I went back to school so I told myself bro here you need to finish because this principal won't take another one and your dad can't pay another one so I just said one year to study sinili suma nil kuasina production niki sumia mic niki sumia media ethics that's all I was doing I would go to school I was going with the key I would come in the office in the school at 5 am I would leave at 10 pm I would only step out for lunch so within one year I told my teacher I want to see the papers and I was in second year because I was so much ready do you know what the principal agreed I sat, I passed but they didn't give me the results because I had not clear the fees but within that time what am I doing not after job niki na kut after job milele efemil kwenvuli rod so milele efemil unfortunatili ika uzuwa ika uzuwa media marks so it's like on Thursday so milele efemil 100 soldiers I gave them 200 see see I had a standard but milele efemili nani poach karebuni ni I left them 200 I came because I knew when Monday this guys camp I need to go inside so last time I met a soldier ㅕㅍㅈㅚㅉ streamin ndad denominator kwa muxi muxili kwa ithuflo nau this time nikifanya journalism nikuwa nene na yao stadium kwa zonted to be like a sports journalism so tili kwa tuna miitina wa saywa sports kwa tili kwa na juana you know in the field, the mida juana na mitu bora me shikahi maika ujuana ako api so we will meet with the guy so I went the first time nengevi soja nizuna nenda api so apu na paku sayin so before nim jibu a guy called ma guy comes out kwa gaze tikumbi ithuflo ni people daily ankuja ka nemi bro mumeku uja aka ni salimi ya so we soja kwa juwa nika ingi yaa ma guy aka ni pesit aka nemi sasa aka ni pejobu korei nikuwa me usi jali yo ni taku panga yo ata ni kwa peki anki yo ni taku panga mi na juwa mitu mi lele so ma guy aka ni pesit nini nini nitu kwa kanga mi anitam panga so aki enda field tuna nene dino I stayed there so kuli kwa gana third floor kuli kwa na radio li kwa third floor I think K24 they were around fourth floor at Longano house before they went to DSM so nili kwa na shindani kizumuka na ingi 8 na toka 4 but niki ingi 8 na endadi aiflo kwa gaze tini aka kwa deskia ma guy na kunyawadi chayu ko nini I stayed there for 6 months 1 day are you getting paid at this time you unaji shuguli kia? by who no one is paying me sinenda uko sasa shule by that time by that li fika place li moka ilisha shule jo nili fanyam tiyan ni kapita but sinna certificate so ni job na tafuta sasa mi na tembe na tembe na tembe so ne watu akanza kulzana wuki jana ufanyan ni he was the presenter at middle FM so at at 8 na toka 10 at 8 na toka 4 every 8 so I always made sure nimi enda oshirumia that for 8 sikum salimia to pitanetu jo niosiki sumo lasma enda oshirumia so we meet so do that I did that for like a month everyone every day muna zoiana so one day niki toka iwi oshirumia na hudu ni nini kambiya mi ukuwa pipo deli na nanti kanga kazeti ah sports leo kuna gemi afc 20 kambiya 20 akanza ata usi na nga gariya job jo na jotu na pelikona c20 na nga kambiya saha so 2 we change numbers kambiya saha to toka toka enda nalikomini beba na prado toka enda adi nya so toki enda akanza kuna yambiya that time there was so much corruption at TFC Leopards kambiya corruption ni nimi when it happened it was a story ni kambiya oni takuandiki ya sayo jai kuwa na computer na desk na ni ni so no one knows what I do kambiya oni takuandiki ya na story kwa uyo gaya ma tizda kumichitena doi ni memdanga anya but the next day I ingiad kawaida 8 nikuwa ingiad around 7 so 8 ni kanda washirum kawaida ndi oni maambiya story ake na mchangamiki so me I go to the washroom and the guy is greeting me with hugs and I'm like what's up ya ni uliandika 2 wili nili kwa ambiya you know now the story was all over the media ya but now someone who wrote was a freelancer so ake kwa nandika jina so ili kwa nandika the reporter this is Siju ni luck Siju ni coincidencama ni ni ya so ili kwa nandika the reporter so until today no I told a tale later but he knew ni me nili andi kanga yos story so he was so happy he had kwa na yo passionate kwa na yo passionate ball so ame una story me andi kwa na mi kwa kipushu kwa yandi kwa jya andi kwa mi timutua pa lewa me andi kiva until today I would like to meet a person who wrote that story I don't know who wrote it so ni kwa ambiya I have even that paper since he broke through her life I have it until today I wish I came with it so ni kwa na yo story so I told a tale e fanya evi juna una sports zami lele ziko down wacha ni fanya freelance sdai kulipua freelance ame bia ata ni kwa anata kuku ambiya na shindo ni taku ambiya aje so I just said I respect me ni mutua pipu daily so he told me ok the next day came he gave me a desk ni ni ni ni ni ni ni ka pewa desk apo ni ka introduce yo kwa jamua sports ana ito maro enkambi otakotu nasa idea na sas ni me pata desk and somewhere in between the HR we admit in the corridor so what do you do here so siku jo ni icha ni kwa ambiya waka pipu daily and I don't know you kwa ambiya ame an interna kwa zema ok but what will come is a kusaspect like what do I do jumara ni kwa eti, ni kwa me lele ni kwa kiki 24 I'm all over that was 6 months so ni ka ka ni ka ka ni me pewa desk to ma field so ni ka nda bat singe nda onia kus I was not employed so ni kwa nandika story na peripota na voice still there's no one who's paying you no, no one one day sayoda ni kwa na kula niki kula ambosho na kwa kitanda na kana magi but hindi ondi li kwa freeji ango so one day we had Saturday li kwa sports show the sports presenters wakachele wa kukuja we went to the studio and switched on the mic I started talking who does that I started talking nika pena story za bowl na ni ni na ni now the problem came I didn't know how to switch back to music I just knew ki pele ka feda ju uko onia una asya mic wacha ni kwa mbia watua lingiwa studio within 30 minutes the presenters were supposed to be there so by that time Grantson Samboja was a general manager ame skya sa kwa radioe ake umtu anongia uko ni nani watu ingi na toa ni jui infak Samboja didn't know me by that time no one knows me ni me kwa tumtu wa hey watu wakase lewa lingiwa studio it was mad that was the news now in the news yes it was bad I remember even one of my boss nipigatek aga na uko nisiwa iku onia usiwa ikanya aga uko because someone just comes on air goes ya ni hadimisa hi ujulizani what did I do like someone just goes on studio ni wa zimu so ni kwa ni meki okia ki dole ju ni kwa na pele kewa biza kwa hendele kusoma so ni kwa na kidole ni kwa na asewa na telewa na twist ni kwa miw nisiwa ikanya aga uko so si kwa ikanya aga I stayed mandate Tuesday when I was at Narudi when I went back me lele my desk I met Aisha Aisha was the news editor she didn't mention anything akani tumafild crudifild kuna meeting jeri so jeri even don't want to see me and a shake because job is at risk nani uyo atasimuji so ni kwa juri meeting kwa ni kusitayo na kana tena security so to kongia after that meeting I told me I would have fired you but you did a very nice job because I listened to everything you said the problem is you spoke for too long than the people I have so immediately gave me a contract okay after 35,000 a month from nothing for a whole six months no sir, ni kwa zakuli po monthly ni kwa kwa employee ni kwa pewa medical ni kwa everything ni kwa hamasasa 35,000 so that's how I started another guy na celewa ni kwa nikiwa nikiwa kwa shuwa that's how 2015 I became the radio presenter of the year that's a potential job na mai nakageni kwa zali kwa nambatu ni li kwa nambawan I was just 19 years wow guys that's a whole story it's a blessing in disguise because you had to do a couple of things do you advise people to do the same thing you did to get where you were mew se maianguli kwa lak mew se maianguli kwa lak but again, I know I'm aggressive so be aggressive in your way na ujiwe ni utapina so after that then I was at a sick work sanana yu 35 I was pochatral media I went to work for hot 96 I became the producer nikiwa kwa producer Hachamge firm, Bahari firm sometimes I will go to citizen radio so nika kwaivo and then I worked for like 2 years then I was pochibai kwetu radio kwetu radio did I think ania then I felt abana so ilifika place ilifika place I think pia nika fili kwa ndikuwa ningu mu nika fili kwa kwa mandiwa I don't know because I struggled so much to find this so I didn't want to stay in it nika fili kwemplo yuani had so I resigned infact I resigned when I don't have a job nika resigned nika hacha job then nika decided to have it chosen ya so now that's how you were done with media how was the experience during the time because now you have a good experience with mainstream media from what I'm looking at how was the experience and especially now comparing to now is it a space you'd still go back to work when we say going back I've been called not even once I've been called even I think this year this year I got an offer from some radio they wanted me to do their show but I feel when I was going to the last radio I didn't want to go I had nika niwa sama after the media it's enough and it's enough 2,23 so I didn't want to go because I want to grow I want to do my thing my dream is to retire when I'm 35 I don't want to be 35 I'm working I want to at 35 na kula matunda ya kazi ango that was my dream since Kitambo so nil kwa na feel temi ango in enda and then in media sorry to say you find even most of the media personalities not all of them but wengi they don't invest because it's quick money coming coming coming that's how you see most of them when they are fired or in treatment or something they end up to depression na isha kapisa do you know why? because they didn't invest because it's quick money it's coming every month like at RMS you have been paid on 24th 24th in Ginoa you gonna pay sir there I was getting good money remember there I was getting that 5 he was getting good money I have very good figure nasina stress so ilikwai inakamiwa so you can say pia inakwa nga inakwa nga kwa muleziki dogu if you don't know what you want to do so I yeah I did that demand the resign now so at what point did you go back to your passion politics politics have been in politics forever just because I was not 18 plus yes but I was in my grandfather my grandfather has been a counselor forever I didn't meet my grandfather but time ya kiote he was the longest serving counselor in akuru and then my dad was also counselor for like 13 years my uncle ame kwa pia a counselor our family friends and neighbors and great uncles were kwa like Kima Ningonjiri ame kwa MP forever so the people the family family friends who surround us ame kwa ni politikwa then in high school in high school I was no in primary school I was the only head boy until today whoever came from class 6 oh all the way to class 8 ya walu kwa chukuluwa class 8 head boys in all the schools that's what they do I was in Bahati Oasis I became the head boy in class 6 the bear ringer in class perfect until babangwa kujakomplenishule mtotu wa kia mehizbija zoma baja punguziwe achaguluwe moj waka ni punguziwe zote but after 2 weeks nothing was going on so the head just to put me and tell me muzazia si juwe then in high school I became I was a dumb captain at fom3 and then I was an entertainment captain again at fom3 I had 2 duties at high school something I did happen those are 2 nika nili kwa CS wa ni nimbili which has never happened leadership li kwangatunda ni angukutawa kitambo what point did you get past your fashion of travelling I wanted to travel so even when I was small badwa I was going so when I started making money I started doing my holidays everything until now when I opened my company travel dodo which we mostly do international local safaris so uposindio in iglianza kut travel came true but before I opened I was also doing travel from 2018 I've done like I'm a bush person I've done wild beast migration since 2017 until today I'm going next week for this year I've always done wild beast migration always want to explore to most of the national parks that are well known like Kluga national park I've been to Botswana that's Okavango delta I've been to Namibia I love travelling so much like me you can stay sign I say mena endama say mara nani toke tu niende no you know I can go I can go today in the morning I go and I do a whole game then come back to Nairobi nani tum after your garden and lunch it's possible so see what I can do guys if you can wake up today and decide you want to go to for the wild beast migration you go back and you come back please let us know see the job it's not about employment it's about the money but let's talk about now what your parents now thought about you pursuing media the one you always wanted to do what were their thoughts you know now especially when you start making money when they heard me the first time they were so happy oh they heard you on radio when I came to radio I was doing football commentary kwa tanga zabal so see you to do the new mama to taribu story so illa time ni kitafte in between I went to radio jambu I went to radio maisha I have gone air once in a while so dad will listen to me so he was so happy about me so they started supporting me dad will send me fare to go to work so he even do lianza kwa poa wali ni support 100% and then after I started earning the first thing I did I did the first thing I did I bought my dad airtime 2000 and I came by airtime so so I went to my house I went to my pocket money I went to my house so I went home shopping and even so I left my siblings when I was in kwa kuboku because maybe they were in school or somewhere so I started becoming the family man so I went to my house I went to my house so dad will listen to me now let's talk about you vine for senator in Nakuru in the last elections and at some point you stepped down what happened to lile poa and give up no what happened I vied with Jubilee I liked their ideas and I think but I had everybody so I wanted to I wanted to be unique in anything I do I think this is my second or third interview I think this is my second or third interview so I like being unique so I decided to when I decided to buy for senator I wanted to buy for MP but now I came to Gwonjiri since you have created a commercial for my MP see you can do that you can do that so I looked at senatoria and I said no this one this one I will take and to say I got good numbers until they had good numbers even the the polls that were done always came top so one day we are sitting at Jubilee and then we are told this how it will go so when it came to mind when it came to mind again you were to me and a guy called Karanja or something so to kambiwa sasa nini muna taka aje aki na bahati so remember bahati eliko asia a muliwa mind was not a muliwa me I was that's why I respect the party until today they asked me they called the Bodavasen to me nini tukon nini wawili and then the president was called the president at that time and he said nini kijana mudogo nini nini 28 or 29 years we were killing we were killing is like 50 double my age you know when you told that you can't argue we spoke we spoke and then later maybe what you used and how much I had spent like 21 million for my campaign and you just stepped down because you know you were requested that this one is older than you we were going for the government so I didn't want to see what was the youngest we had some good agreement let me say but we had a very good agreement when I was stepping down I was very much comfortable so was that agreement you know part of you becoming the youth campaign leader when I did you know already we had a jubili youth leader who is still there so what happened I became the campaign youth team just the campaign period of the campaign youth leader at that time so that's the job I too but that was a very small job by the way compare the money I had used and everything like even in some places like in Suswa I'm the one who received Baba when I was coming so I was being delegated to some duties one one one one and then we had a very good agreement with the party and then I had people who were supporting me so much someone like Kanini Kega he was he always encouraged me but he didn't know when he was there he was there for me so he was jealous at that time he was there so we had a very good working relationship so when I was stepping down it was so much comfortable I was very grateful I was so happy do you think the ones that you know did not want to step down they were of course eliminated not eliminated from the party per se but they were told the same thing as you do you think the ones that went ahead to vias independent candidates was a wise decision it's all about your mind it's only about your mind how do you think like once you make a decision I can never make a decision if today I'm in Uda then Ruto's ordered me to step down I'll not do that because it was my choice so it's asked to talk and agree so when I'm stepping down it's so much comfortable because again I'm one person I don't ban bridges so it's easy to ask when I'm independent no I don't do that it's either I'm this side or I'm this side comfortable in fact a lot of campaign now a lot of effort I put it to Baba the campaigns you were doing I was everywhere I was in Kisumu I was in Mombasa because now my attention is on Kuru I joined your team your campaign when you're stepping down it's all about if you want to go independent it's okay but if they didn't believe in you then you go independent I'll choose then go for another party because if you want to go independent go it from the word go but when you change it's okay to be independent but if you want to go independent you have to go back so you don't have to go to CES so you don't have to go to CES so when you're independent it's okay to step down it's okay to step down they're not brilliant and when they go and then come back it's okay to go to CES it's okay to go to CES so if you decide what you want then go for it but don't go come if you want to go independent it's okay to be independent it's 2027 it's okay to be independent yeah if you want to go to CES they're not brilliant they're not from CES they're not from CES they're not from CES they're not from CES they're not from CES see then one thing I'll never buy while I'm failing I will never buy while I'm failing even if I go for something else in 2027 I see I'll fail sf bouncing to the ground with my wife. I would be 100,000 kumana idoетu na 100 dollars. Namaks greenís meholdu 100usd. while she was working the night ahead. and decided to open the car.. She opened the car and I think I had around 700,000 y真的很 read. thank God, I mois Nature Center. Nakuro County Senator, let me tell you the system e yo ni pesa mingi, they are 12 contingencies, they are 2 million people, you can't go that county alone in a day, and all those people wanata kakitu, asimata wa pe 50 bob, it's not enough, so I have 700k here and I need to go the whole of Nakuro County. So I told my wife, Sina, a kind a kapata. I don't know, one don't know kumbatu, so, u bakina so sita. No, she loves me so much, tell me, I'm gonna take you. Gambiata po akam, my wife is a very good manager of money, she is. Umu e kwa na demo ki pepesa ako evi, aneza tumi uka fanyevituza, keba tauta fila li tumia, anya jo akufanya, ile kubalanse sabu. Gambiata 20, kwa zabu always wanted her to go with me, so this time she agrees, onika jo abas, nime se vata pesa, lewa at least dalu dina kitu. So we left Ida 3 a.m. Sisi awa na kuru, we started to keep tangiichi, kwa zikam to keep tangiichi muna ku jivadi, it's 12 constituencies and I just have how much 700,000. So aka ni ambiapan taru dina sumbili, do you know, we went to the company and they were going to pay us, and she came in and she gave me lunch, 100 buck, we came to a gilgil kikope, we didn't have even fuel. She had to go to her bank account and we drew 10,000 for fuel. She said again, she'll never do that. She will never do that again. So that was the biggest challenge. The biggest challenge is the finance. Finance ina kwa nga. Of course, it was the biggest challenge. Una patasua na kulaik jueni meyang, batu kusakuwa chi, kitu ana zema, ui yo, we were to hangi. They somewhere we went, they said, I didn't have money, but I was there. So I said, I can, nili skeja mawa boda, pa mi zema, we were to hangi, and I've never been there. Because I was a quende. So that's the biggest challenge. Do you think that culture of politicians giving money is a culture we should continue with? Because sometimes it's summed as kununua kura. Do you think it's a culture that we should continue with, ama? We can't, we can't, we can't, tunelzata katuwa chi, but that's the nature. It'll never end. Unless someone else lies to you. Even waluwa na zema nga toi wata tumatu, inginu apela ke ground. Money is everything. If you don't have money, don't buy it. Yeah, if you don't have, don't buy it. I'm scared. Now... Because you see what happens. What happens, because kunua say, in 2017, waluwa na fanya campaign na punda. You see, like the puvati, simpati, that kind of life. They've done it forever. But waki ingiwa wana mea pembe.  Even mi kuitu ku li kwa na msiya, li kwa mba kura na punda, a kapata. Kwa kuitu kwa na mungi na li kwa itwa segesa, ata kwa yajoi kiswa hili. A li kwa samukini chagua nita segesa maji, kwa segesa ni kikuyu. The guy came and didn't do anything. So, this guy's own money. If you know you're a good leader, ido nini, I think Kenya hili, isha hili ya tunam chagua ju tunaju ata waka. Kus Kenyansu ame choka, wana pemu tu ajayo asa hidiya. So, wacha wai uze nini, kura yao.  That's why you know now saying, you gotta survive one time. So, ukinunua kura, and then you work for the people, you will come back. Ukinunua kura upote, wali kula pese aako, so they have nothing to lose.  Is that true according to your experience? It depends on what you mean dirty.  Then why did you get to that life? The interviewer here, Kevin. Mutua kesi kwa nanili. I'll never say, I'll never say it's a career. It's a career. I'll never say it's a dirty game. It's a dirty game. You bring that into the game. But if you don't bring that to the game, it's not a right game. It's passion, like for me politics is passion. I don't want to get in and okay, why do I want to go to politics right now? Maybe I just want to, like right now I'm doing charity at my place. I've started a clinic, a mobile clinic. I've started giving water every Thursday. I have a firm where I do be farming. I'm an employee who has a job. I'm leaving my dream right now. So I don't have property need to protect because this is easy. Okay. I have my businesses. I have my butcher cup. I have my travel agency. I don't want to go to politics to like safeguard the mama nifanyazi kwa kubwa. They okay how they are. But I want to help my community. I want to see vijano en zangu wa kiguru and everything. That's why I'm working at a mobile clinic. That's why I quit kwa tuki enda. Every Thursday I want to pay my maji. That's why even today, what I was doing when I was vying, kukiwa na mazushi, I'll do tents there. I pay for transport or to end the mochi. I work in a pigi, and I'm going to machine dokelipa bilia hospital. It's just idea now. I'm going to manage a 4D amount or just do it again. Yeah, I'll do the same because yeah, it's in my heart to help. So that's the game I know. If kwa kuna muse na kama na kuja na yoro ombaya, pia God is kubali. Ibu na ndakupanya kitu with one clean heart. Pia God wuku bless na the same way. That's why I need to step down and say maybe it's on my time. What's the secret to managing all these businesses because sometimes you na jua mutu atakuna mutua kifanya tuvitumbili mojaita anguka. What is the secret? One is having maybe a support family. Like me, I have my wife, she's kukoi. She's always on the look. But then she says hey, tumelipa tumelipa kuna nda.  In fact, I tell you something. Me and her, like for the travel, we've not been in the office for the last I think three months. Not going to the auto office. But things are moving. Yeah, because again when you're employing, one employee also na jukeni na do. Misia kuna haja job na jukeni na do. So when you have and this order you shall call upon the young people. Atami ni kifanya tuvituna kuna fanya ni kuna passion. So piwa kuna passion. I employ people who are like me. In the firm ni kuna say yes or yes or must ana. But we two is in a move. Wata ni pigi on MBA by the side wato na wuna kuna easy mafefe tununu ri ngombi ani pe sanga pi oke. Wato anga pi oke harvest. Chakulea kuku. They do for me and excel. Ani watu watu agenda shudle. Wana ni tumiasona jo a budgete hangu ni hi. Okay. So ni kenda kuangalia what I did is what I was expecting because you're working with people who trust you but na pata squeeze iku pata say kana on hard. But with this economy bina iko piya getwa say kuna passion na kenye. Wana ta aku doing life. It's much easier. You don't need to be in the office. You don't need to micromanage your people. Yeah. Yeah. Okay.  I would like to know who was your dad to you and what is the biggest lesson that you learnt from him. My dad was like my best friend. Especially since Kitambo. Since Kitambo my dad was because I think when I was in I think last five years only became best friend with my dad. Some incidents happened and this year I came to school to question me, to question me and since I was a kid I said the truth and dad was like a policeman and he was like a chili. So me don't need to save life. He was like so only coming here Shulia can let her cheapo. Ni so kutokapo I think he became best friend. So in fact when my dad was passing on near time he had a campaign. So he had bought for me a land cruiser for the campaign sasa juni kwa tagari sasa ya kuzungu kana kuru muzima. So nilkone bakisha kuli par like 800,000 so akani ambiya anani peya. So no when dad had come gonja went home with an ambulance nga pili kani kwa pili ka hosin. Akai kwa maji started recovering. So we started having a conversation. So I had to come back to Nairobi. So akani ambiya ata henda. Chesu taku jesangani kambian taku apasa sabaka kani habi pa pana kujesangani. Piyu kujetukifani ili mamboyako. Saha mamboyako is doing the transfer. Ya leni passed on on my way. Oh really? Ya. Oh my God I'm so sorry. That is what happened. Oh. I felt it even. Was even ya. Kus in needy field kus I started crying. And I was driving myself. I didn't have my driver that time. So I started crying ni kwa gilgil. And I was like why am I crying? So I called my sister kambia ya dadako saba kama kusana. Na asubu ni kwa nimi ambiya nini kambia na ingiya meeting ni kujia kama ambiya asa. So I passed on my way from between gilgil ya na kulu. Ya. Oh I'm so sorry.  It was my dad was he was a man he was a pender he was a vitu zikenda benye utaka. I think that's why I learned kupewase job no no insurance possibility. Do you know even today you give someone job kani mizi atakun biya pesaako umuatye tu wa fahane. Do you know when they are atakweba? Really? Ya. Like when you come home kweba proka. Nya kwa mbiya? No, one day atafil. Kuni umutu wa fahane ingiya sabu. Amu umutu wa nini pima kil. He'll stop. As when in fact you know have a butchari the butchakapa the the most expensive meeting in Nairobi AKG goes for 1600. So when you are young my dad did a butchari at home but he was here kwa hi ya kwa hi danya maia mi ambili mi atatum. There's a guy al kwa itwa kwa ito umbudia. So umbudia would still meet and then easy mawezakupi manyamu maju kwa gatiri le ya kwa nyaivi. So dadakenda kupimanyamu wana chkwa hi mawe ya kwe wana fichewkunda ni anyama. So wana jwa pokona kilobili ekstra. So dadadugu wana jwa. Anapimashiku moja kama biya. Inma uli enzakuwe kata deye flani na tata deye flani akam fahane sabi ya kama kata. From that day budia became the best employee. Here so atayali pasingi some I think two seven time election. So I think we'll learn kupitumobza kwa babangu. Like being honest going for what you want doing what you want ya and making the right decision. What is the biggest it's not really a regret but something you wish you done you did alia in your life that would have been probably been of so much help right now. If nili anza shule ma pema miu fili niko nyuma do you know how I live I fear tomorrow that's how I live nina jambia mii fear tomorrow like yani tomorrow I wake up I think is the most important I fear tomorrow kus tomorrow and this hope people forget life in Aenda like tomorrow there is someone to be like being at 30 scared me a lot even I did do my birthday for that yabolo is done my birthday so big that I didn't do like bro umengia that flow naunata kuritaya 35 you have five only ya so I fear tomorrow what I don't think I regret something I did not do but I can say whatever I did sometimes piuna patanga do inafanyu relax okay so either time maybe need to relax kido go these are two mew regret but mew takak kumub I want I want to I want to change life every day like me I can get money right now but nene kwa project plan na keshwata sinata 500 bob but jan niko ana 2 million usiku ya so I want to kus at 35 I must retire I must I must kawa from your conversation as we wind up na jyoni mekwe kasana and you have a another meeting from your conversation you've mentioned about marriage and it seems this is you you you you love and respect the union of marriage what is three qualities that you feel should be in a marriage for it you know to work and for people to stay together three qualities too I know what it means not work I know it means to work always marry your friend and not your friend at no this is sensitive when you marry you do these two things don't marry at you like clear to me to know we join at a kukudet and then we say we are friends that's fake do you have a friend a boy you have friends who are boys I don't know yeah when you meet you want to join and out marry one of them thank you do you know why do you know why they know you when you meet you are now momenta when you meet you come and meet different that's the best person but don't you think they are ready for you to be their friends and not probably their spouse no me and my wife me and my wife was my best friend for 14 years okay we've been friends like we've never dated okay we didn't even anyway we are those friends I'll even go out with a girl I'm dating I meet her not that dweela in fact there was nothing like clear to catch up even as I am no no no no no no no no me and my wife it was that kind of a relationship even right now when I misbehave she tells me you know jo na kujwa yeah other than saying at you mawa mutu alafu kisha mo una say maiz your friend that she hei hei this one me ni his friend that's hypocrisy yeah I would advise if you gonna marry marry your friend a real friend see what you will say maiz juana you see when I say I want to marry you today and then we start dating kuna vitu nita kuficha but nita say ma we are friends but since in my mentality I want to use my wife there's something so I'll never do but you see that ni ni kama we were a ana juana denia fit as a medication ana taka kwa denia ana mujuana end out that's so simple that's how you yeah you marry your friend if you don't want to marry your friend then don't marry yeah ita kwa na hei generation ina break kila suiku so na marriage ni hard pia ni kumu eh it's very hard mazi mam toa mga nani yeah it's very hard see simple layer it's hard but wuki jovenu ta i control ina konga very easy yeah no kabi pia mga kwa kwa kwanji aki kamkuni piki inter view eee ika saa kwa kwa ika saa alright Kevin thank you so much for speaking to us encouraging people you know who are willing to get into business and just showing them you can beat all odds to achieve whatever you want and he is very young I don't know if he wants to tell you do you want to tell them your age alright Kevin hey watcha to see seme watcha to see seme mimi am forever 16 until father notice it's allowed but thank you so much for talking to us I hope you guys have been inspired by Honrabu Kevin Mi Gongo make sure to follow him on social media as you can see he has a lot of businesses you might need his services so you need to look out for him thank you so much for giving us your time alright thank you guys for watching Bazutas make sure to leave a comment down below is there any part that you want to comment about make sure to let us know my good name is Miss Kepinji until next time keep it at SBM Baz


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