Hello everybody, if it's Wednesday, it's Warhammer and that must mean it's time for another episode of Warhammer Weekly Joining me as always for the second week in a row because some other co-host just can't be bothered. It's Tyler. What's up, buddy? Hey, man, I've got a number of weeks to make up for I mean to be fair True I'm work. I'm work. Yeah working my dad off here. Hey, we're glad to have you and also joining us for the first time Someone who is very very busy getting ready for a heck of a tournament That's gonna be run this weekend that we are gonna talk about the Lone Star GT Matt. How you doing, sir? Hey, I'm doing great. Thanks for having me on guys a long-time listener. Hey, we're glad to have you so Coming up sooner than I'm sure I mean maybe Matt. Let me ask this question How ready are you for this weekend? How how ready are you? You're sweating a little are you feeling good? You know, it's the calm before the storm. I am a seasoned to at this point after Number of years running multiple GTs with lots of participants I've learned the art and skill of preparation and you are gonna be shooting yourself in the head Early on in your TO career because you're gonna be painting terrain last minute You're gonna think of all these random things at the last second. I've made checklists. I've got Google sheets unlock We've got all our ducks in a row So this is what the first year and probably the first major GT I can remember where I don't have a mountain of things to do within the last 48 hours But nevertheless, it'll it'll come to fruition. Something will pop up. There will be a problem. We'll roll with the punches First of all, I love it prior planning prevents poor performance the five-piece to live by absolutely fantastic That must be why this show is never that good. Okay, so with that let's jump into the news Tyler What do we got this week? Another 40k image looks like apparently this might be great nights I'm hearing. Yeah, something like that. Yeah, so looks it looks actually quite nicely painted I like the effects on the metal. Good job. Whoever painted this thing. I think you did a really really great job So I just want to say that I have to like sometimes I'm kind of mean not to the painting But to the scale they shoot this app, but whoever did this Molto bene. Well done. Well done. You could have just ended the sometimes. I'm kind of mean you could have just had a period there also true Regiments every now Hold on. Hold on. That's not the order. Oh, I'm going to say wrote these in an order. I wrote these I've got my order vents. Sure. Sure. Now. We've got to talk about the other surprise first Absolutely Corrader and overlords now we had strongly suspected this was going to be the case Right once it was this we saw the updated roadmap. Yeah, we talked about this on the show It might not have been a week you were here, but When they did the updated roadmap and said hey, it's seraphon, you know after lvo and then they snuck it into that That summer position or late spring or whatever we're calling it now. It's the june position We know when you're releasing the book stop playing Stop playing. Okay So when they did that all of a sudden the order book in now In late winter early spring whatever march Went up in the air Right, and it was suddenly the literally hot and the the question was oh my goodness Are we going to get that ko book sooner? Did they crack the code? Too many puns man. I'll tell you what we are on a roll here tonight And it turns out they did Uh, so we're going to get cried or an overlords, but not just the book also we get representation of your average Warhammer player circa 2023 Carrying all of the different tomes and references you need to currently play the game I think it's more like a 40k player than us. I think we got a little bit easier than they do. We do absolutely All right, so matt What do you what do you think of ko in general you excited for the new book? What do you think of this guy hit me with some opinions some takes here? Uh, ko has always seemed to be the book that's overly complicated and uses schemes rules, uh In army builds that don't quite correlate with the rest of aos I hope That they Get it right this time. I hope they make the boats more Significant in a way where they can actually stay on the board and don't just maybe Fly around or have no ability to tank anything. Uh, I would I'm not gonna hold my breath. Let's put it that way. I don't know if they got him right, but we shall see Absolutely, tyler. What's your hopes and dreams for ko? Oh, goodness, maybe A little more variety Okay, always a big fan of variety. Yeah, uh, that is not I mean obviously they have had a distinct play style From the beginning essentially You know going back to the clown car. Uh, it seems like that's mostly followed through With the purple sun with the latest incarnation Yeah, a little more variety in the builds would be nice.  Give me some highlander lists that are viable. I'm happy Right on My hope is that this book is really really good because then it would make me make it do an army Project namely convert all the leagues of otan stuff I have over to ko and I'm just looking for an excuse to to paint a bunch of stuff. So Fingers crossed. All right, so we'll see obviously we'll you know review it when it comes out probably not Too long in the future. I imagine given how they were talking about it. So Uh, we'll see I'm I am sad. We didn't get more models. There's so much room to expand in this range But at the same time, it's like not that surprising. We knew most of the books this year. We're gonna be You know um A hero in a book a hero in a book a hero in a book. So Yeah, there you go Like mentioned before the show such a missed opportunity code, right? I think you'll find that should have said to be fair Because this is literally this is literally tom's model on the on the battlefield Him and his yeah rules larring and finding every little nook and cranny on how to break the rules to his benefit This is this is tom right here God bless him Yeah, so excited And now the other big news See I forget you have slides because I yeah Lena nintza Tom's role here this week. Sure Regiments of renown All right, we got six of these boxes. They're bringing it back The thing that I think a lot of us love back in the day. I know you're a big fan of this right vince I've talked about regiments of renown and the dogs of war many times But you know where I thought they really stood apart and were were great Were when they you know what I loved about them and like I get it I get it. It's you can't really do this as much anymore I'm gonna use some negativity coming. I'm ready. You're asking for my opinion.  I'm not what I loved about it was that the units were unique Right that they represented something and gave you unique sculpts now Certainly, I expect these people will have unique rules Like I don't think they're just naming the box I think that as they said in the article like there'll be you know unique elements to to what's going on here Yep But you know, it's cool. Obviously they they they regiment within their within their factions. They're effectively like Super allies, right? So like the top one the selvaneth elf winds thorns So the arch rev and his his butterfly boys They can go into any order army Okay, and and so on and so forth down the line With two order two chaos one death one destruction You think these are competitive aspects Do you think that the boxes that they're releasing here will see play? It's hard to know. I guess based on the rules that they've seen us so far. Yeah, isn't that the question right interesting to see that like Armies like obr now have An ally they can stick in there Their army things like that where we had no access before I mean, hey, welcome back sons of bama. You've got an ally now. You can take big ricks cruel shots That's exciting however much that's gonna be You know on one hand, right? This is an interesting way To do these kinds of universal allies because you have to take This battalion they explained that in there, right? So there's like this Battalion you have that's a unified one-drop battalion called regiment and renown So by default it will increase your drops Right like you can't bad write your army or whatever because just gonna but by one I should state right sure. Yeah And then so there's some amount of points not going into anything else like a warlord Or a whatever They can obviously control the rules. I liked by the way that they said the rules are gonna be in white dwarf But we're also gonna publish them on the site for free Yeah, okay a plus. Yes. Thank you.  It's 2023. I appreciate you still have a magazine publishing arm but like Come on. Come on folks okay I'm not hitting up the newsstand to pick up my latest comics See what's going on in the papers The So like they can be they could be balanced and interesting How many points are they how different are they what's the ability what I'll say matt is I Feel like this could very easily break Either direction it to me. It's somewhat the incarnate problem Where it was like, okay, either this thing is too good and shows up way too much Right where it's just like everybody suddenly has elphins thorns Every order army you see or you know, not really everywhere. I was being hyperbolic But you know if five or six out of ten order armies put elphins thorns on the table That's a problem. You're just like, okay. Yep. Those guys again. Got it. Sure Right, right and I think for the most part, I don't think anybody's been a huge fan of universal Aspects whether it be artifacts Uh Carnot problem anything certain armies can take You know They outside their normal play style Um and give them A leg up or like you said just have one that's way overpowered then everybody takes it. So you see it in every list um I don't know kind of a feel bad Something that doesn't make the game more unique and just makes it more uniform Yeah, I mean it's especially you look at the one that's that corpse carton some zombies and I'm like, okay I don't know what that's bringing to the table for the other death armies, right? Like What what do veramords shamblers add to the other death armies? obr Maybe they I guess some cheap throwaway troops because they don't really have anything that cheap But night haunt another we're covered on bodies homie, you know Uh fe fec Ghouls have you seen these you know like they're they're exciting So my point is with those I look at that I look at the the the Hargax's pit beasts And I'm like sure Yeah, sure you're gonna make the thing look I want hargax's pit beasts to be cool enough that I want to put it in an army But the chance that that kitty cat that ogreid and and the Uh foamroid aren't good enough that they show up that those that they get rules off of those base scrolls That make me want to play them. I see is very slim. So I it's just Never used or used way too much is the thing I'm afraid of and that they basically fall on each side of that spectrum. Yeah Yep, sure Yeah But I guess we'll see Time will tell Um, here's here's my question gentlemen Is this more testing For 4.0. Is this 4.0 beta testing? Yeah, I could see that Good question. Yeah, I mean, I think anything is fair game at this point. Yeah, like It it feels to me like this could be some 4.0 beta testing just like some of the rules we've been seeing in the ghbs Right where it's like. Oh, here's a Here's another ally mercenary type of thing that right now Is just like these six boxes and it's just playing with these things see how people like them But if people like them, maybe they become a more formal system in Uh You know in 4.0 because we've we've tried at the mercenaries before and I think it was didn't work So maybe it was like another bite at the apple to see if we can we can make it work this time, right? So I don't know we'll see yeah, I'm also curious to how they price these things Sure Yeah, and is this going to be in addition to the ally pool, you know, we're looking at up to 400 points of allies plus this Which I guess is what they're probably going to do But yeah, anyway, we'll see Uh, I should also mention the zinch when your it's got the endless spells in it Oh, yeah, uh, yeah, I missed that uh, two of them or all three all three of them All three of them. Yeah, wilds. Okay. So like does the coven come with the three endless spells automatically? if so We that one that kind of scares me but two would an interesting way to balance out putting 10 pinks in any army Sure Make them make them carry the water And the weight of three end the spells you'll probably never cast because only that one guy can cast them Yeah, if you bring them into other armies, right? So Presumably. Yeah, maybe TBD All right, so I think that's it That's it. All right. Cool. Let's move on Let's do some pick. Oh the week Matt will start with you pick of the week. What would what do you what do you want to share with everybody? Uh, yeah, so um My boys down here in texas. I guess one of them is actually in seattle now The ever chosen podcast, uh, I gotta shout out to those guys. Let's go Marco Hernandez and and just jeremy cooper are my co-hosts and uh, we uh, we probably get on every three or four weeks or so And and talk warhammer less eloquently than you Um, but shout out to the ever chosen and uh, and outside of that We've got a a great group of guys down here in austin called the weird knobs who run a uh, a youtube and twitch channel Where they stream, uh, most of our grand tournaments as well as some uh, some some test games Um, they just did a a new gitz Um Game a couple days ago and they're great, uh great commentary. You know what they're talking about So shout out to the weird knobs and the uh, and the ever chosen and uh, and to be honest with you Vince to shout out to you 100 000 subscribers is no small feat my friend That took you what a couple weeks. Yeah, just a couple. Yeah, exactly We got there nine nine years to a couple weeks. I mean it depends how much you want to stretch a couple I suppose there's a lot of weeks, but it's just still a couple Yeah In the span of the universe, I mean a veritable blink of time and nothing right like 16 and a half billion years It's basically nothing. I was there instantaneously. You just sneezed a couple times and a few Ministers and look at that 100 000 followers. There you go. Uh, yeah still is credible So thank you to everybody. Thank you everybody watching now and hey if you didn't sub now's your chance to get on the road to a million Let's do it.  It's there's no other Step in between they really set the goals high. They want to make sure they're not just handing out a lot of plaques They're pretty they're pretty uh Pretty pretty choosy with the plaques over there at youtube. Anyways Tyler, what do you want to share with everybody? All right rob and company on this wargamer ghb 2023 seems to tips and tricks Really good video that they came out with this week Enjoyed the hell of that very um point with our discussion here tonight Call the arms. Uh, I think their uh scottish youtube battery port channel. Could we get that wrong? Hopefully that's right They had a great battery port new beast chaos versus fire slayers. I think her name was cara She is an incredible beast of chaos player Really knows her stuff. Uh, so yeah enjoyed Watching that one You know giving some love relatively new channel And then coach had a great what was it like playing in an amos turning on his journey to lvo that I really enjoyed So, yeah, that's all I got nice My picks are things you cannot watch right now, but you shouldn't miss when they happen because they're both future things We're going to keep the coach love going Because coach is doing two things I want to talk about I'm breaking my own rule with two things first off He's going to do a get show with the iron guttsman himself Like I'm going to be tuned in for that one. That's that's a can't miss right there. Okay. That is a can't miss Secondly, we would be remiss if we did not talk about the most powerful pair coming together the wonder twins activating Of aos coach and jack from re-rolling ones Uh, the the peanut butter and chocolate coming together to make the delicious Reese's peanut butter cup that is their new show. They're doing together finest hour Premieres in just a couple weeks. Uh, if you're not hooked on to coach Uh, this is going to be I I cannot imagine how fun this is going to be jack is an awesome guy Coach is an awesome guy. They're just going to have a loose show talking about things. So We've got some we've got some hefty competition coming in there. I'm sure I can't wait to to watch that. So check it out. Um, Incredible name such a good name. Absolutely. They they they nailed it right there Uh, all right With that gentlemen, let's talk a little little hobby time. Shall we Okay Matt, I have a sneaking suspicion. I know where most of your hobby time has gone lately Uh into the tournament prep, but have you had have you had a chance to actually paint anything? Anything on the table You broke up a little there matt like that was uh, that was a little choppy. Yeah, what's going on? I'm thinking I uh, maybe turn There you go better. There you go. All right. Here we go. God. I was so freaking afraid of getting dropped. All right So I've been focusing on everything to based. It's all uh, for the most part been terrain setting up awards. Uh, I'm looking at boxes full of lanyards and packs and prize support and charity raffle gear And everything else I could possibly think of but the last thing I put Any paint on with some chosen not too long ago, which I will be eager to put some more paint on soon I think it's just like anything else you do too much of one thing and you miss the other if I don't to for a while I miss that aspect of the the hobby for me and then if it's uh I do have to paint a lot and uh, if I don't get to paint a lot then I I start itching the idea of putting paint on models and then if I don't play it's I want to roll dice So it just goes in this this vicious circle. It keeps me coming back for more I love it. I love it. And by the way, your voice quality is great now So, yeah, it was just the video thing was apparently. Yeah, you're you're perfect. You're coming through crystal clear. All right Tyler, what about you buddy? You got anything on the table? I do so tomorrow is hobby hangout painting painting hangout I'm enjoying that so much every other week. Haven't done anything been getting a lot of games in with nergal Loving my variety pack list a little bit of everything. It's it's awesome Making the goo work, dude. He's I think I told you he killed nine speaking of chosen He uh matt a guo one-shotted. He had nine remaining chosen took out eight and then one uh decided peace out Uh, just stacking, you know everything thrown the kitchen sink at those chosen cooks over swords stream of corruption Monstrous flesh rampage. Uh, it was a beautiful sight. That's impressive. I didn't give much respect to the guo I think I need to uh relook at that war scroll apparently, huh? He's sneaky good I feel like we should do a show on sneaky good war scrolls I mean obviously he hates minuses to hit He's got that force to hit rockin that everybody hates But yeah, I'm finding ways to make him work. He's he's a lot of fun I think that's the great thing about nergal these days because no more flies being you know superior to everything else in the book It's an icy variety and you start to see that there's a lot of you know Unique things in there that can work people just haven't tried them because the easy button has been on those by lords Yeah, I could not agree more. I I'm so glad the flies are not their default anymore We'll see if my original prediction on nergal comes true. All right my hobby time uh has been Uh solely dedicated to this little fellow, but he's coming along Uh, so this is number two out of a unit of three for golden demon Which means this project takes forever because every tiny little every detail has to be perfect and so it is very slow going uh, but There will be a video that comes out of this guy not about painting a little fig Uh, that would be 72 hours long and everybody would just die when they watched it, but there will be Uh a video that comes out of it that i'm pretty excited about so Uh that but that will be for a while because I've got to finish him before I do the video. So Yeah, we'll get there. We'll get there.  Okay Vince, do you feel that your uh focus on painting has shifted over the years to be more Quality over quantity like you've got probably a ton of armies. I'm sure and at this point there's probably You know some aspirations of a significantly high painting quality award slash, you know self satisfaction Do you get into a mode where you just want to paint, you know, 200 figures as fast as possible anymore? Or is it always at this point? Hey, I want to paint something and painting as nice as I possibly can You know, that's a great question and your earlier answer you gave about The painting versus the towing or whatnot. It's the same push and pull It's exactly the same thing for me Honest answer, uh like after this project after i'm done with this This sort of golden demon thing the last thing I need to do and I've got, you know Five weeks left six weeks left. So I might get whatever it boils down to um Will be like absolutely just A couple things that are fast and free and give me a couple hours to paint a couple models or you know, whatever Because yeah, it gets It it wears you down you want to just be like let's let's just do some Bob Ross stuff Let's just get into it. Let's let's paint some happy trees, you know You want to relax and there's the the problem with painting for something like golden demon Is there's no relaxation painting stops being fun or relaxing right it's constant you you have to be like dialed in a thousand percent to every brush stroke and uh Whereas when you're just having fun you don't have to do that you can just play around and so so it absolutely I ping and ping pong back and forth. That's the answer That was a very long winded answer, but you hit upon something deep in my soul there Uh, it's good time to be painting happy trees instantly my friends Yeah, it's a very good time to be happy painting happy trees. They're they're there's so much incredible variety out there With the lists that are doing well including oakenbrow Well, it's just crazy. It's great to hear. I've already got my sylvaneth army. I've already painted a bunch of happy little trees There you go. There you go. I can roll out them sylvaneth anytime I want. I mean, I've got like five tree lords homey I'm ready for oakenbrow. Let's do this rock and roll. Yeah Okay so With that folks, I think it's time to turn to our topic for the night Let's talk about the current meta and to do that We are going to look through the lens of the lone star gt run by matt And uh, we're we've got a sample of lists here. We're going to review and we're going to talk about what we think This means for the larger meta. How are people building their lists? What are they doing? What do they see out there? What can we harvest as the emergent property from this? So This is looking at an upcoming gt lone stars this weekend Uh, that's right It says furb furb. How did no one tell me that? February 18th and 19th. I put tilde 120 players I know I know there were some drops and stuff like that, but you know roughly the amount Booked in we wanted to look at some stats and lists See where we are. What trends do we see our galation champions going to be a big deal? Are we seeing the return of infantry blocks? What battalions are people grabbing on to? Is it is it? Uh, the spam of witch elves and storm vermin and clan rats that we that we Thought might happen or are people sticking with elite and shooting? How much shooting is there? These are all questions we have All right Let's see what the let's see what the numbers tell us Well, let's begin with some stats. So i'm gonna zoom this in here and uh, we'll just Slide this on over There we go slide over there. Okay, cool So I want to start So matt I brought up the stats page here To begin and I'll just Take a look here and you know, this was this you provided this. So thank you for these stats Yeah, I think uh, mr. Chris creche one of our one of our members down in houston who put this together a couple weeks ago or no about a week ago Yeah, nice So looks like we got 39 order players 26 chaos players 28 destruction players and 16 death Uh, so there you go Thank you, chris. This is good stuff with our uh, our uh, our number one Uh faction being storm cast with 13 players the night haunt ogres and s2d with 11 Luminet at eight iron jaws at six and so on down the line. Let me tell you what let's talk about the zeros Zero big war bone splitters ko corn obr or slanesh You will not be missed in some of those cases Uh, I'll tell you what shocked the heck out of me four sons of behemoth players Whoo What? Yeah, what?  I was sad for my friends We it was just it was so depressing watching him the ineptitude of that army now I don't think he's doing stuff any favors with a Cron spine because he was trying to use it as a damage dealer that that wasn't working Uh anyhow, it was it was so sad Uh, and then we've got a little drop count Let's talk about this and then matt I want to get your general Feelings on the things you see here So let's move this over just just a scotch There we go. All right At the in the one drop position 19 players in the two drop position 19 players Then 13 at three 14 at four and then it drops like a rock Four four three eight players coming in at eight with a little spike up there And then five six four six and so on right Uh, okay So, uh Can we officially say low drops are back? I yes, okay Yes, for sure What when you looked at these stats and saw these numbers what jumped out at you matt anything anything grab you surprise you Make you think for a second, whether it be the armies or Uh, sure I think the two armies that surprised me the most were Daughters of Cain at two That was very surprising, you know, I'd spent a long time since I've seen daughters who still consistently Play well, uh have that little representation within a tournament this size. Um, I think what has Happened is I don't necessarily know if they're no longer as valid because of the change HP There's a lot of the new You're Nope, you broke up again matt. Not sure what happened there Sorry, you're uh, basically, I think people are getting stale with daughters I don't feel like they've got the same kind of enthusiasm behind them because the build feels the same consistently over a long period of time and eventually The This is the same Yeah, no, I agree. I think you kind of broke up at the end. So I think the key matt for you is You'll have to talk in like 10 second bursts Or something. I don't know you were good for a minute and then it went robotty at the end. But anyways Um the I think you're completely right, you know daughters has been consistently good basically for what all of aos, right? And The problem is the book has Often been similar ish. Yeah, sure. Sometimes it was more shooty snake leaning and maybe it opened up more more witch elfie and hordy now but I think I think it's just been kind of the same and I think yeah, people are just like, okay, we get it. It's a fairly Limited army. I don't want to call it mono dimensional But maybe so it doesn't have as much you're going to explore with it I don't know. Uh, yeah, I mean that's certainly been the case historically It just it's one of the I don't know top three factions in my mind over the years Where I feel like we just haven't seen enough variety pack builds with that army Where you're playing a couple of avatars.  You've got some witch elves, right? Just mixing some things together I think there's enough good war scrolls And pieces and so on in that army. You've got some variety pack viable sub-actions And like kelobron especially comes to mind with mobility. Although that's less important right now this season It just I I saw one player I can think of one list over the years where somebody did that and they went for one Maybe it was chump hammer on twitter. I can't recall But most of the list. Yeah, they're just they're fairly stale Somebody did go 5.0 the other weekend with drake agoneth. It's like 70 witch elves 10 heart renders two cauldrons You know slaughter a hat queen I think madusa was thrown in there with mind raiser plus mana cast through shadow stone So that's nice to see would love to see a little bit more of that Yeah Let me ask you a question matt just to clarify. This is new ghb, but old goblins and Beasts am I correct? Is that right or is it? so Right now we are no new get no new beasts, but new ghb That's what I thought. Okay. The The only difference is the That And grand strategies are less point Okay, so book battle tactics and grand strategies are one less point. Okay, cool good All right, somebody's been somebody's been buying the propaganda that that's that's a worrying sign All right matt no, I'm happy to hear it. That's my choice. I I'm dead I'm dead sinner you get some points, but not all of them and I didn't completely ban them I'm in the middle. It's uh, it's uh, yeah, that's a whole other debate, but that's not a bad call in my mind Yeah, for what it's worth Okay Cool. Well, let's uh, let's dig into some lists And uh, matt, uh, let's see matt. I've got the majority that picks for you We'll see how your see how your internet holds up I'll read through the list and then you can give me your your uh, you sort of read on them Uh, let's talk about lists. We picked some of our favorites We're gonna review them talk about what we think some of them. We just think are cool Some we think are indicative. We'll we'll talk about all those kinds of things Okay Uh, so we start off with ben richardson Ben is bringing some lumineth realm lords with helon sub faction And he's got a lore seeker. He's got a lord regent and he's got a cathalar Then we got 10 wardens and 20 wardens Then we got 20 sentinels 20 sentinels 20 sentinels And a balista along with everybody's favorite the rune of petrification. Who doesn't love the rune of petrification Okay Uh, so obviously we we this is this is the list that says yeah shootings back Hmm. Yeah Uh, and and fits into a one drop Easy peasy lemon squeezy 1970 points likely to get its triumph as well Uh, matt what's your take on on this one? What made you pick this one? Let's see how how you're in it holds up Okay, just give me a hand up if it needs to stop, but I think this list significantly Uh changes some of the meta that people can bring because the amount of output that ben takes with him here is so significant that He can sit back and wait for you to come to him The lack of need to have board control in this new ghp because of the condensed objectives and the lack of number objectives Makes this a really interesting build in that if he deploys well there's There's a a good chance he can take off half of your army before you really have a chance to potentially Do enough damage into him where he can um where you can turn the tide Yeah It's interesting to me that he only has one real Presumably one real screen and 10 wardens Uh, which maybe are not going to be in shining company. Yeah, he's got 10 and 20. He's got 30 total Oh, I missed it. There we go. Okay. Good. All right.  Yeah, that's enough to give you a decent rep With screening that out if needed you could just do the bow tie on the 10 instead of doing them in shining company gets you Even better coverage Yeah, it's interesting seeing this with the 60 instead of obviously what's been the the go to teclis and 30 to 40 sentinels plus five windseekers So yeah, what's better 60 sentinels or teclis and 30 sentinels Obviously they're both pretty good right now In a mirror match who do you think could win right? I would guess teclis Yeah, like teclis to me still feels like the if I'm trying to just lean into raw efficiency I would still go teclis and 40 sentinels rather than than this But both a good good problem to have Yeah, 100 But yeah for them anyways not not for your opponent Yeah, I don't know my money might be on this list. Uh, is my own Yeah, it's just a lot because he has He has the ability to buff all of the sentinels at once with the lord regent and his war scroll spell So they're all potentially or two or three of the uh, the units of sentinels are doing mortals on fives He's got extra range because of his ballista You know if he's not killing you with one unit He's probably doing it with the next one because he's got I mean the three sentinels He's got the ballista to do, you know the cleanup and then he's got that petrification as well There's just so much outreach and output he can put anywhere on the board because of you know Yeah, they don't need They still need line of sight or they need line of sight now, but man beating In a skilled player too, I mean shot priority That's why ben is really good and he's got a chance to go 5-0 this weekend. He's a skilled player. He plays a lot But um, when you have that skill set and you know what to shoot it makes it really tough on your opponent Yeah Yeah, let me not thar one of the most I mean arguably the strongest army I mean, they're out there in my mind like top three easy right now in the game with this new season obviously they've been good for a while, but Yeah, like playing it They're as everybody knows they're frustrating experience to play against the main thing I don't like about playing against them is that they Force the game into a black and white nature where like all is equal There's no nuance playing against the lumineff with a list like this. You have to Generally speaking you have to get into them as quick as possible Like there's like no nuance around right or you shoot them off or you win the shooting battle Yeah, the hard part is is that once you run into the wardens Even if you're able to kill them if it then switches over back to the lumineff turn Being in helon and getting an extra attack for all units that are within six of these sentinels It just creates this massive firewall of Many doubles Yeah, I mean you can't underrate that like to me this says a couple things one Yeah, don't forget you can get 120 shots out of those those sentinels on the turns where you can trip the helon thing You know god forbid elthory of those units trip off at once, right? right and You know on on top of that the You can see his game plan when you look at the combination of the rune of petrification, which is just pretty strong But combined with triple overwhelming heat Yeah, right like what's the spell he's trying to cast a lot. It's it's overwhelming heat I mean he has it. There's a reason why he put it on on three different units here Yeah Yeah, well, and then greater power of hish is what his region is going to put which is pick the d3 units and they all get The five up mortals So he's got so many opportunities to get it off. That's it's not just that it's that he can If he fails on one thing he can try on another so the likelihood that he can soup up those sentinels gets even better yep Yeah, I'm just a little I mean the cathlar Is I think they remove the ability to do two spells with the with the pennies with the aether quartz So the cath, obviously the cathlar also has darkness of the soul as it's built in war scroll Still pretty good against a lot of things, you know, if it can beat bravery I'm a little surprised. Maybe he's didn't have a way to do two casts with the cathlar Because I think he only has total eclipse. Yeah on just the cathlar itself Which obviously a critical spell the cast as well. So maybe a little surprised by that But yeah, here's my honest answer. I don't think it's that critical Okay, I think total eclipse is total eclipse is I think the way ben's probably looking at this If I'm ben the what I'm thinking is I'll put up total eclipse with my my contemplation because remember that's a It's a sorry. So I mean once a game. Yeah, I just cast it off, right? Yeah, so like the round he needs to do that he'll do that Right the round where he wants to to to drain his enemy out But what he's really trying to do is just slow them down from getting in the castle What he wants is to ruin in the overwhelming heat to land Slow them down Right if he gets one extra round of shooting before anyone raids the castle, he wins That's yeah That's all he has to think about right and so what's what's he needs the total eclipse up in that round So they can't trip a run to six and re-roll the charge or whatever, right? And then they lose things to battle shock as well Right So he all like not that I'm sure he won't roll for another rounds or whatever But if he can buy himself one extra round by slowing him down, he wins the game That's it. And that's the round he needs to have total eclipse on Because you're just dead by that. Yeah Yeah, you you have to win by turn two or else you're gone. Yeah Can we just talk about one last thing I want to mention here on ben's list before we leave it behind so, uh Sharp shooters didn't work, huh? Like when nobody wants that Because if any list you would think would take sharp shooters it would be something like this Right, right like you've got three units that could very easily in unit numbers of 20. He could take one of them pointed at a at a Utility hero and go that guy's dead Sure, right. That's Like that's what would happen Right almost almost like to a mathematical certainty almost Hmm, obviously sentinels. I've played against him lots and lots of times I know sometimes you'll just be like, I guess two mortals and one normal hit I don't know what happened, you know, like it happens, of course, right?   Nothing Right. Yeah, I think it's all about target priority and you're not going to care about the foot hero Right at the end of the day They're not going to come into your castle and and make it explode Yep, because it's the maw crusher It's the it's the massive unit of knights Are chosen that you've got to ping down before they get to you. Yep, exactly you know when By staying one drop it means there's only 18 people at the tournament who he doesn't automatically get to choose priority against Right. That's the numbers we just saw and against those 18 people if he pairs into them, he's got a roll off Yeah, he's got a 50 50 shot Right. Yeah So yeah, I think that I think the list that he was, you know, uh, that is troublesome for him is if you have chosen They are slainish they get across the board quickly and they go into your screen and then can double Uh tap and then pile forward and hit his singles But he's but you know, again a smart player Deploys well enough where he makes sure that doesn't happen. He knows his opponent and uh, and you make sure that the the grunt is that clear off your Clear off your wardens Are that you're not now in range of that maw crusher that's that's right next to him You know first. Yep It's not a great option army to pilot, but you just have to know how to pilot it Sure. Yeah So yep, but very very scary stuff. Okay. Let's go to our next list Gavin Uh, Gavin Gargar coming in with the s2d little host of the ever chosen Uh, with the day is ours and indomitable. He's got the chaos lord With the reefer blade and even on steel undivided. He's got the chaos sorg lord. Who's the general? Uh, who's got of course our old friend the arcane tome And the master of magic and this each mark and demonic speed And leadership of the alpha Uh, Tyler and I were kind of joking. We were looking at these lists beforehand You will never see a more more blinged out heroes. These guys are just dripping with gold Than a than a s2d hero in the current season when they're listed like other things they have it's just 15 miles long, right? And then of course a changecaster ally. Yeah. Oh, and yeah, absolutely then a second cast sword lord the changecaster ally Now 15 chosen 15 chosen one five Not that not that measly 10 pack Get that get those pedestrian numbers out of here 15 chosen backing that up 15 cast knights Okay, we have centralized our hammers And then we have nine unmade Love it love it I was hoping I'd start seeing some people skirmishing around with the unmade and using the utility out of them I think they're the sleeper hit of the of the season there. I really love unmade As a weird skirmishing unit they can just get around and and and its special ability causes a lot of problems So I think that's super fun And then we've got all that wrapped up into a three drop list glacial command And battle reg boy if there was ever a call for galatian command It is the time when your cast lord pulls 15 chosen into combat Any of the hero or combat phase So that's what's going on here Tyler you've been doing a lot. Oh, yeah, go ahead. Go ahead, Matt. No you start go ahead No, I mean, this was the list that affirmed for me that the meta has shifted to big blocks low objective count You only have to control, you know two objectives at a time or three at max When you look at the battle plans in this ghb Only three battle plans have five objectives or more Yeah, only three and One is the jaws of galay, which you lose one every turn. So it goes down from there One is the prize of galay Where you have to activate one each round So you only have five on the fifth round where the game is relatively over anyways And the last one is twists and turns which is so complicated that no to would ever run it Yeah, only only terrorists run that that that battle plan matt. Yeah, there's there's uh, so everything else Is four objectives or less right everything So the days of having to have four on your side four on my side and having to have at least an army that can control You know three or four of my own objectives and go after some of theirs too Are pretty much over and I think gavin saw that and created a list that says hey I'm going to control The objectives I need to and there's nothing you're going to be able to do about it And he's got some sweet tech in here too, which i'm sure You know tyler you've seen with with what he's doing with the uh the zinch mark Yeah, it's pretty impressive Yeah, 100% that reminds me matt I was listening one of your guys podcast and you and I were inhabiting this the same brain apparently I was getting so much joy hearing you talk about cabal list and shows and it was like going down a checklist of all of the All the things that we both love so Yes, there's some great tech the Changecaster it's got a great spell right 18 inch range cast on a seven you can reduce an enemy unit saved by one You can I think it has some ability where you can reroll a cast roll Maybe once per game and you can add plus three to the cast for that Yeah, so that that's a really interesting inclusion We've talked a lot. I mean many many of us in the community now, right? I've talked quite a bit about this the shift in the game. I've heard you guys talk about it Uh, I think venti always called it like power per square inch. Yeah, if that's appropriate in this context Yeah, especially holding power has clearly gone up dramatically Uh mergonck just went 5o with 2 by 15 hearthgarber zerkers Over the weekend at midwest bash Incidentally tom put that list together with him and then we've yeah We're going to get a list later that has this the quick summer draft draft with tim protectors galic man is another Like all these different examples of this So it's I I have not seen anybody do the the 15 packs of knights and chosen that is That's different. So that's it's exciting to see that in some ways. I think it's very smart Which you would expect nothing less from gavin This is the first time I've seen someone base their strategy off of warp reality You know, he's he's marked. He's marked as knights inch. He's gonna He's gonna give the the sorcerer lord that he chooses most likely his general the Draw on power 3d6 cast and from there He's basically gonna warp them back where he needs them and then he's gonna try and get demonic speed off of them So that 3d6 charge one of the dice rolls into a four is all but guaranteed And so it creates it creates some real significant Um weak links in someone else's armor when he can transfer that much power Over across the board into you know an area that you're not thinking of Um, but I will say that there are there are some caveats, you know There are things out there who can auto unbind and can Can prevent you from doing some of that stuff? So it does it does and there's nothing Well, again, if if you were running Sharp shooters, you could snipe out that chaos orc lord. I mean here might like chaos orc lord Maybe number one on the board of Pieces at the core of a powerful army That if you had sharp shooters, you could take out easily But if you don't Then yeah, it's just going to continue to do what and that would be a very nice piece Obviously to try to take out early with what it's doing with master magic, etc See, I would argue your biggest risk when you centralize your hammers this much Is one word and that word is readably okay Because when you're when you've centralized that much power into these hammers because you're not always going to get off the 3d6 charge Right, you can't you can't bank on spells. He knows that like I'm sure Gavin looked at this one It's like well, I'm not going to get that every time, right?  That's not it. I tell you If I tell you I moved this little guy first and if you're within 12 inches of him, there is no redeploy Bingo bingo. There you go. Exactly world changes That's right. And that's where that unmade is such a good tech play because all they got to do is just walk in the rough area And no more redeploys for you. That's it, right? And that's why I love them Words of wisdom move them first Don't I know you're excited about the knights. I know I have to tell this to Gavin But for all those others listening move the unmade first because when that happens, uh, everything else falls into play Yep, it's so beautiful that that little 80 points of tech Just really helps to solve a major achilles heel with the list, right? Because your your nightmare scenario Is even if you get those guys up to a three-inch charge You didn't know. Well, we didn't get our our, uh, you know, we didn't get them on speed off.  You just you can't do it And this stops that There's one part of his list that I don't understand Okay, and I know there's a reason for it because he's too good. Um, for those who out there who don't know Gavin is a world's player and he's won lvo. He's he's really good, but He marked his Kass Lord undivided and I don't understand why so He can might a re-roll on the mark the eye of the gods But do you want something on the from the eye of the gods from that guy? Wouldn't you want? Yeah, that would be my name goes Right. Yes with this cat a conduit right getting the battle tactic Putting Brian the cat a conduit on the Kass Lord there around one to try to get him some goodies But other than that, yeah, I'm not sure what's going on there I assume it's just yeah, I assume it's like I don't know But yeah, I think it's just for the eye of the god upsides Because he sees that guy actually getting in there and doing some work With with Galatian command. So so why not right like why not get that guy buffed up if you accidentally pop him into a uh Into a demon prince or something. Okay uh You'll if you pop him into it. Okay Hold on. I gotta I gotta think about the potential scenarios here So if you pop him into a demon prince, he'd still count For the battalion like he doesn't un-battalion himself. Okay And If he becomes the demon prince he could Who's undivided because you'd retain your mark then uh When he's undivided doesn't he get to like Flip marks or something like that or I don't remember exactly what I'm trying to remember how it works I'm trying to give you trying to cheat his way into a An asf I followed your advice to throw the demon prince foreshadow away. So it's not fresh on my mind like It's not fresh on any of our mind. That's the problem That's that's okay. I get you Undivided until the end of the turn the strike first effect applies to this unit. That's the benefit There it is for the rogue action. Okay. There it is. I thought so So if he manages to rip him into a demon prince and he's undivided because he'll keep his mark Then the chaos lord will pull the chosen into asf Yeah That's clever. Yeah, okay tricky tricky So that's like Uh, yeah, so he's and he's clearly got the chaos the chaotic conduit So he's going to be rolling on that dude Undivided both helps him mitigate the chance of becoming a spawn increase the chance of him becoming a prince And if that dude does become a demon prince In that galatian command, he's cheated his way around the fact that the demon prince can't normally get into that battalion And now you've got something an s2d on foot. It's part of that command that can pull into asf Right. Yeah, very nice. I had to I had to think about my way I had to think about that logical puzzle and some impressed. That was uh, Quite the quite the avenue to get there. Nice job Okay, okay, so That just the day as ours is keep uh, I believe keep a galley champ alive And now it's have more Have more alive at the end of the game. So he's got four to start with so as long as he keeps, you know More than your opponent, which I think he's got a good chance of that against most armies. Um, he'll get that That trap or that strategy Yep, leadership of the alpha potential triple rally. How's he ever chosen rallying on fives, of course? So that's nice Yeah, the threat range of that Uh, unmade ability is amazing. So six plus 12 plus potentially an auto run So you could put that uh, holy within 24 inch threat range to allocate the turning off redeploy And uh, rally where he needs. Yeah, amazing list. Yeah So real, you know, one of the classic things For good players is they always play to their outs All right, I always have the outs always play your outs and this list has a bunch of them. I love it It's got it's got stacks on stacks. Okay, cool. Let's keep going Jeremy Cooper With the iron jaws calling the wall. He's got some we got some blood tufts Uh mega boss on maw crusher He's the general He's uh, he's touched by the wall with the arcane tome and fasten, of course And then he's got the great big green hand of cork So easy, you know strong access to that teleport because of touched by the wall You got a mega boss on foot, of course with destroyer and tunnel master. Who doesn't love that? Um, who doesn't love being able to tunnel master and then mighty destroyers yourself right up to their line In the hero phase seems pretty good Uh, and then uh, the or an orc war chanted an orc war chanted, of course double chanted with get him and fixing Six gorgon is three gorgon is three gorgon does ten big brutes Uh, and five brutes, uh wrapped up into a battle wretch and a command entourage for a total of four drops Uh, matt start us off. What's your what you're feeling on this one with jeremy You know jeremy's a friend, obviously He's with the ever chosen. I'm in the ever chosen with me, but I would say this is just a very well rounded Iron jaws list that has lots of play You can play it in many different ways. You've got you can do board control. You can do alpha strike. You can do deep strike work Um, that's extremely reliable. You know, I don't know what the math is, but if you put the Mega boss on foot behind the illumineth line There's a decent chance he could take down a techless with destroyer on him, especially if you call the wall Um, which gives you such unique utility Uh, and since such a a non traditional iron jaws capability to be strategic on certain things Um, that I just I love the list.  I've I've been repping blood tooth since the book came out. I think it's just unbelievable power Anytime you're moving when you shouldn't be moving It's powerful in aos and this list is moving when it shouldn't be moving in so many ways Between what blood tooth is doing to all the pigs between what tunnel master is doing with the mega boss between mighty destroyers itself And everything that has the fasten on the mega boss There is so much non movement phase movement happening in this list It's going to be wildly responsive To what else to what's going on and you know, I think about jeremy And this list staring down the first list we looked at with lumineath Right, it's clearly the lumineath player at one drop is getting to decide the tempo But it's you know, what are you going to hand me first turn when this is me?  Yeah Yeah So like I I love everything about this. This is what I love to see in Uh In iron jaws and I think the previous points we made about big blocks of chosen Are just as true here about big blocks of brutes Man, I hope so God They disappeared one entire season would love to see them be meaningful again Obviously, they got a point drop which they needed. Yeah What are you what are you thinking on brutes? I mean other than like the power per square inch roll. Obviously, he doesn't have glacial command here I he did not do that because look like he was really wanting to get his drops down that would have increased his drops meaningfully but yeah It seems like brutes to just become a nice third wave You know, which is crazy When you've got all that meat up front and then you've got enough points left over to have Significant units of brutes to back it up. So when you go into turns three and four, you still have Extremely offensive pieces to take down whatever's left remaining Yeah Totally agreed. I would also say You know Brutes ability to clean one wound models off of objectives effectively without killing them Uh becomes much more interesting in a season where people actually play one wound models Yeah Yeah, we have 11 night haunt players right Right That's a lot of models that the brutes can just be like, no You don't count anymore Yeah, yeah, that's a good shout I'd be inclined personally. I don't know to make those five brutes. He's got actually 10 points left over So he are the art boys 80 points right now He could make two by five art boys if they're 80. I don't think they're 80. I think they're not 80 No, 85 maybe. Yeah, I think they're still off. I don't remember. I I don't remember post the upload up here, but Yeah, anyway, I mean if if they were 80, that would be the only change. I don't actually no I don't think they're already the yeah, very efficient list. Uh, a lot of threats Pretty yeah, really really well composed. Love it. Hopefully hopefully you can do well with it A nice little thing about fast nice to do with uh Touched by the wall right is if you do need to get out in bind range you can kind of pre-plan on where You want in this case potentially your mega boss where you have the optionality to Fasten in your hero face. Yeah, it may not be the best use of fast, right? But you can then potentially get out of in bind range Hit your touch by the wall potentially plus three to cast and then do your teleport on the mega boss or whatever Yeah, it's gonna be a little cheeky that you can do to get it out in bind range Oh, there you go. Our boys are 80 now. Okay, cool. I don't remember if they dropped that Why not so yeah Yeah, so I might be inclined personally to drop those five roots get two by five screens Then more bodies, you know against another alpha or what are the cases of that? You're not like screening out with pigs screening out with some hard boys or whatnot. But yeah, yeah, good list Nice. Love it. Jeremy. Good luck Uh, do it for do it for gork and or muck Okay Uh ryan quirk Uh Some of these names by the way Well, you'll see when we get there. All right. I'm like, is this your real name? I don't know because I don't know the person it's hard to see because I'm just looking at the thing I don't know everybody ever right This is this is his real name. He is mr. Quirk ryan has a great name. Let me just say that ryan that is a fantastic name Uh, and an excellent beard to go with it. Oh, well double wins for ryan then Uh another s2d list Uh cabalists take what's there's an inspired. We got the cast lord on foot as the general He's the idolator lord with the war flail Sure, okay Uh arcane tom chaotic conduit just prayers or heal aspects the champion tom master mark of slanesh mark of chaos slanesh Whoo, that's a lot of things going on, baby. He's a wizard. He's a priest.  He's got all this all the classes Uh, he's a kid. He's got a cast sork lord With chaotic conduit as well Uh and binding damnation Battle line 20 warriors nine cabal nine cabal to do the easy drops behind the lines for your your desecrates and your assorted other Uh necessary things He's got a war shrine. He's got 10 chosen and 10 chosen Oh, that just just sliding in an easy thousand points of chosen into the other section down at the bottom Nothing to see here Nothing to see down here. Don't worry about it. You could have just stopped reading Uh Fittin this all into a big battle regiment for a one drop list Matt, what do you think of this one right here? What made you pick this one? This is actually what i've been running I think that quirk and I i've been kind of working back and forth and this has been very close to what I run for the tournaments i've had uh in the past couple months, but This does very well in a couple different things It's got a great hammer or multiple hammers. I guess with the two it's a 10 chosen It's an excellent anvil with your 20 chaos warriors mark nergal You have enough reliability in your spell casting from your uh cap your sorcerer lord Um, or your I guess would be a chaos lord because now he's got arcane tome I would have liked to seen uh him go ahead and put arcane tome onto the sorcerer lord because you want to put your 3d6 Casts on the guy doing plus one to wound one to hit Right and then give him an extra spell so he can do mystic shield or one of the other You know the decent ones in the spell lord based on based on need um I think that the war shrine originally when it first Dropped I was very unhappy. Um, I have three of them All converted to look fancy and after running it a few times It has such great utility with the chosen That it is hard not to put that into your list. Yeah, man, obviously I mean the thing that's kept me away from it is just how Lucky do I feel this game on rolling three ups? Now are so have you had games where you just haven't able to roll three ups And you're getting enough other value out of it or what's the situation? If you don't get the three up, right? You still have utility from the uh from the war shrine because It still gives you the six of mortal or six of ward for everything. It didn't make the charge um, it still has Reasonable damage output at the end of game when you need to go kill that one hero off that one objective that's still alive Um, yeah, well it's like eight total attacks like four attacks four attacks both two damage one damage exactly and The the the crux to this army is it has to get those slowness chosen Across the board and into the things that it can they can delete and they will delete it Especially with the uh banner of burning or screaming flesh the slingshy banner So the only thing I think we could agree here is some unmade instead of the cabalists For one of the units would have been nice to pin pin your opponent in place Then you you you auto six your um, you're chosen on their run Then they run in charge and hopefully they even get the 3d6 Island attack twice it just they just turn into this lawnmower You just see this nice skid mark across the middle of the table where they just ran through whatever it was that they just touched Um, and then the next turn you probably do it again And even if you don't get the 3d6 charge off, you know It's still worth its weight. Um, and there's just enough utility out of the war shrine to make it worth the risk because Like we've talked about before What would you turn those points into right? You already have a massive block of issues You have two massive blocks of chosen. Yeah, that's a fair point. What's next? What's next? Like what do you what else are you really missing here? Yeah, personally, I would rather have the or certainly in this list the war shrine rather than like a unit of theridans Not that I think theridans are terrible, but yeah a war shrine in my mind with this list So that's that's a fair point It doesn't play into every list But it's a nice piece to what we're seeing here because of what it can give you Which is throw those chosen everywhere they want to go And um, and if and if it doesn't work, then you still got a six up board on your little castle That's waiting to shoot its missile across the table Yep Uh, he says yeah, just couldn't find unmade. Oh, well, there you go. Is that ryan right there in the chat?  He's he's going for the battle tactic and taking that risk I mean, maybe ryan you could you could say yeah, you put it you put it on the on the chosen You know your chaotic conduit just goes on to your chosen. You're just trying to get them more rent Yep. Well, they're not undivided The chaotic conduit you want Right, but the chaotic conduit doesn't have to go it's a spell. It doesn't have to go into an uninvited unit Oh, is that right? Yeah, you put it onto any mortal uh with mark of the gods keyword And once you hit it then you roll So you're just you're literally just trying to soup up those chosen As much as possible. I've had it multiple times unless I played it wrong Where you've got minus two rend on those guys and it gets dirty Let's see. I don't Yeah, no the All right, I'm gonna call you out here matt All right, that's fine. Yeah Yeah, the chosen man they do not have I have the gods keyword built in they acquire it through being undivided Now, of course, they get to roll through their war scroll. They get to roll through the rewards of chaos They got to roll a game Okay, I've been I've been doing the pregame thinking that they had that because they're rolling for it automatically To start the game, but I guess they just don't get to keep it Not fair enough. Well, yeah I didn't win any big tournaments and I'm running this one. So No, right on right on easy easy mistake But yeah, so that's one little thing vitz has given me a hard time about that my uh, unscathony ways of not liking any kind of risk Uh, and so I don't like that about his list because there is some potential risk with kata conduit there So but yeah, in general, it's a it's a good list. I mean, you could put it on the warriors If you wanted to I mean, I guess you have to take two spells. What else would you take finding damnation and They don't have any there's nothing nothing mounted. No demonic speed. Yeah Yeah, that's true. Yeah, it's mainly just the risk it against you. Anyway, it's a minor point But uh, yeah, great list. I say risk it for the biscuit like come on Roll them bones Ice game, baby. All right No, it's great. Good stuff All right, let's keep moving Boom boom Next we've got kel kel pig bringing in The quick night haunt. Sorry the quick silver dead With the day as ours and blood thirsty We've got our old friend the cruel gas cruciator in many ways. He never left. He's the big boy of night haunt He's always delivered the same great buff at reasonable prices We got a tomb banshee Love it Lord executioner a guardian of souls general with master magic chill blade the midnight tome and shade mist And then a spirit torment a spirit torment. I'm a big believer in the spirit torment. Absolutely Uh 20 heritans 20 heritans Uh so we can quick silver it up We've got three spirit hosts to run some interference and bodyguard for our heroes We got 10 chain rasps live in that uh deck chair sitting slash screening life We've got our old friend the purple son of shahish the thing that night haunt don't care about they can just fight in the sun And uh, then we got tae at 10 blade geist revenants and of course Very very important pulling up the rear with the two chain gasts broadcasting out that big plus one to hit Uh because mr spirit torment is around so That's the list Solid all the way through Love it Matt what made you pick this one to call out The reason why I guess there was two reasons why I called this one out specifically one Kel pig took out bill susa at a gt Earlier in the fall which is no small feat. So I know he means business Number two. He was the only of the 11 night haunt players that chose the quick silver dead Yeah Love it the rest of them the rest of them chose the different sub factions So I thought it was great to see an experienced player Do something outside the normal meta um And then when you when you pick apart this list it it has strengths across the board for the night haunt, you know Lots of units lots of charging It's just it's just a very uh High skill list that needs to have a good pilot and he is Um, and I would expect him to do rather well I think that there's Not a ton of things out there that you know have wards, but I think that if in the right hands He can put those heritans which you know negate wards Based on their sub faction with the quick silver dead Into the right targets and uh and do really well Obviously, I mean two of the top armies in the game, right? They've got wards usually lumineff and slaves in darkness or a quote-unquote wards with slaves in darkness Right nergal I don't know how many nergal you guys got like four nergal maybe Not not a ton more. I think it was one Hey, okay. All right, cool. So yeah, I was checking. I was looking at this the other day mat And I mean, that's a fair number of armies that have some kind of ward that they can rock up Right. I I love that. Yeah, this is such a cool list. It's it's always exciting to see a uh an off meta Night haunt list then scar the doom or or whatnot nothing anything wrong scar the doom, right? He just on it. He doesn't care about drops. You know, he's got two warlords He's running glacial veterans on his Herodans and on his blade guys.  It's just a really unique fun list I think uh, it'll give people some trouble So the like it's like 12 units, right? This is a 12 drop list Right and and and who cares like night haunts one of those armies where you can be a million million drops And it's like, yeah, it's fine because he's got he has the ace in the hole of the reposition We cannot underestimate that that base ability they have an allegiance one of the one of the stronger and a list of incredibly potent allegiance abilities with night haunt To me the one that's actually the most potent is that pick up and redeploy three units. Yeah Yeah Yeah, okay Because it just lets him bait the opponent like one of the he's he knows he's going up against a buddy He looked at the he knows that there's going to be a lot of one two three drops out there Right like he looked at the you can look at the numbers he can read the wins And he can bait them in with a unit over here Right, they have to basically most of his opponents are going to be dropping their whole army and he's dropped nothing yet Right and then he can counter deploy completely to how they've set up All right, because they're done and then when he's done the original units He put out his bait picks us up puts them wherever he wants them Zero risk He effectively had zero units on the table when they had to deploy their whole army. He's making almost like a good 60% of the field deploys literally blind against him Mm-hmm Like I can't see they don't even know what where one of his units are when they set their whole army down Yeah, right I mean, I think talked about the the things that surprised me the most it was the low amount of d okay And the high amount of night haunt and it shows that without bounty hunters night haunt are back And they are about to wreck some faith Because they were very Yeah A lot of mission that I've had the most trouble against night haunt of any faction for for what it's worth It's just the long tail of night haunt has impressed me every time how much value they can get out of Even after the late guys are gone and maybe the the spirit hosts are gone You know, they have five heroes and they charge you and they get decent rolls and it's like oh, wow Now i'm fighting last i'm minus two to save and they're putting out good attacks and it's just yeah Like the long tail how well that army can hold up throughout five rounds I've been very impressed by the tomb banshee is a I don't see a lot of tomb banshee's I was just looking at it. So it's got an ability to Do a total eclipse to double up command points, which is interesting Right if it's somebody whole within 12 and on a four up they uh, they have to spend two command points instead of one So basically you just leave them back there with your spirit torments and he just says Okay, half the time you're gonna have to spend two command points and you may not have them if you want odd defense or odd attack so it's it's not Reliable but for 90 points and you get an extra charge Here we go. I saw you get a yeah, you get a plus one on it if they're terrified So make sure that you've right charged because I think it's at the end of the charge phase It's at the end of the charge phase of chargers. Yeah, that's correct. Yeah, so yeah, you can set that up get it on a three up Light charge great plus one attack once per game. It's in a bubble Midnight home automatically cast the purple sun pop that out there. Yeah, a lot a lot of good tech here Yeah, the you know, I when we originally did the night haunt book I I keyed in on the tomb banshee. I was like man for 90 points Somebody's got to try this in a list, right? It's like a little mini controlled total eclipse I remember praising it because I said first of all, this is the way total eclipse should have been done Right like it should have just been pick a unit within a long range and they they double their command points But that's neither here nor there I I do think it's it's an incredibly potent thing because To me what he's doing with there's this there's a sneaky sub theme here And the sneaky sub theme is I don't want Anyone to have saves against me ever Sure Okay, yeah, because the tomb banshee Can suppress all out defense in combat.  There's not a way to get plus one a wound is there Because you're aren't you for your force and force base on the heritans, right for attacks force and force base Yeah, okay. Anyway, not the end of the world, but I mean with that volume, but yeah Right, there's a way maybe the spirits for man His lord executioner was the only thing that was kind of odd for me. He's not seen Quite a lot, you know, but he is I guess another Galatian champ and he improves his chance of getting his grand strat of days ours He picks a unit at the start the combat phase and their minus one to wound as long as they're within three inches of them So that's nice. Yeah He's got ward, but he's you know, he's a nice little piece, but you just don't see him very often Yeah, definitely Guardian of souls, guardian of souls holding within 12 bubble plus one of wounds. So there you go Yeah, he's going to be on threes and threes once per game five attacks per That's that's nuts Like that this this is very I didn't realize how scary this list is Yeah, it's sneaky, right? Yeah Randall brashers that kills exact words. I'm getting plus one to wound from like three sources Yes, because I the heritans themselves. I think as they've said here Yes, also, I do that if they're attacking a tour built in wound it in some way and keep mine. Okay, cool There's a lot of sneaky shooting in here As well like don't forget spirit torments shoot Uh chain or not spirit torments are you chain gas chain gas shoot exactly There's a lot of little little sneaky like neg two rend One damage shooting the banshee, right? It has a little 12 inch scream Like there's just a lot of little surprising shooting that pops up and like again You need to just get somebody wounded So that way the heritans turn on all the way does that make sense? It's just it's just sneak uh like the banshee the chain gasts Those kinds of things get a little shot through bang bang. You're on the money And because most of your shootings on neg two rend Again, if the sun happens to be around already now your neg three rend you just need one to get through you just need one and then suddenly it moves your entire unit from you know, uh 100 attacks wounding on fours to 100 attacks wounding on threes and the math difference there is massive Yeah Oof very impressive list like oh, yeah Good stuff. This is this is legit. Yeah Yeah, this is one of the most impressive night hot lists that I can remember seeing just Yeah, but it definitely takes a skilled pilot. I mean for sure Yep Yeah, because I mean used wrong if the heritans go into the wrong things get used at the wrong time They get lifted pretty easily in in return by enemy hammers Um that being said I'm sure kel if he if sometime this weekend kel sets up across like an ogre from an ogre player That's running a bunch of stone horns or something kel is just going to be smiling from ear to ear like well This is going to be a fun one.  All right. Yeah Um, let's keep going. Andrew miller. Oops. Sorry. There we go. Andrew miller with storm cast eternal Scions the storm hammers of sigmar Uh, a lot of astral astral templars, but the samers of sigmar Matt were you invited to the conspiracy the astral templars conspiracy? Were you in that meeting? But vince and I missed it I was not Where everybody said, okay Listen team storm cast We're all switching to astral templars What is going on dude? Your tournament has like freaking 10 astral templars list I I stand by you know The average storm cast player is not a uh an experienced veteran Most most of the time But uh, but I will say that there you know, there are some lists out there that are interesting I found this one interesting. I I honestly don't know how competitive this list is But I thought this is something unique and that I'll throw it out there and it's got a few, you know Tricks up its sleeve. I don't think that uh, based on what we've been talking about previously that Um, this one is overly powerful comparatively, but it's it's got some things in it that are a little tricky a little interesting to throw out a Thing here or there where people may not see coming First of all, I just want to shout out how much I love Andrew miller Because he put prime time in a storm cast list back where he belongs. We brought him home folks He's there with his frog buddy the slan star master still rocking The knight and cantor of course, uh, and then the knight vexelor with tunnel master Love it.  I suppose. Uh, no, it is all wrapped up. Sorry. Yes Uh, because yeah, uh, no nope two drops. Sorry. I forgot. I knew there was something out of this when I looked at originally prime time Yeah prime time now prime times out of it Um, when I read over these I was like looking at all their drops just because I was curious and uh, yeah Old prime time sneaking out there being the second drop Uh What a what a just fun list. I agree with you like tuned I wouldn't want to be going up with this list against some of the lists we've seen already, but boy Oh boy is this does this look fun and just Raining mortal wounds is the sub theme here, right the slan the prime the comet and then we bring in the dragon fire Like how much can we poop mortal wounds around the knife? And then thank you. Yes in the night vexler with my favorite standard the meteoric standard That's right. I've been a stand for that standard Since the launch of that book Okay This guy andrew looked at galatian champions and as they said the galatian champions are like we're immune to range damage And andrew was like the hell you are Uh, that's we're not having any of that. There's no Utility heroes alive after this guy goes that's it. They're all dead They're all dead right Yeah, I thought it was interesting like like take an example The the list we just read from kel was impressive well thought out like has a lot of play um But someone like andrew can go okay. You're in this little castle I've got mortal wound output. It's not shooting so therefore I can go after your five wound heroes Yeah, and I can I can drop the prime I can drop the slon doing d3 mortal wounds with comet's call the knight vexler is going to do uh, D3 automatically Automatically to everything within 12 of the point right everything and I'm throwing I'm I'm throwing down the comet from the slon I'm fine with the the Yeah from the master of magic and it just gives him like this initial boost like I don't know if he can hold on But that first, you know Hit or two in his hero phase if especially if you're a um tightly packed army, which a lot of them are right now Yeah, they're a mobile castle like it's it's a death ball floating around the battlefield. Yeah So it creates a you know a bit of a question mark for some of these guys who are used to You know the uh the lumineath guys with all their sentinels or the the night hunt guys trying to stay in a tight bubble Like how tight do you want to be because he can put a whole heck of a lot of damage on you At significant range and doesn't care about the new ghb shooting roles Yeah, so and it's got four dragons, you know when all else fails, you know It's a good fallback plan It is yeah, which I obviously the oh and jackson brought this back Number months ago with the reign of stars Uh, this was all over the place back during covids, you know, I mean we've seen iterations of this as far back It's like 2019 right but it but it is really cool that you see brown bag You're right, man. I mean this is arguably one of the best countersets out there tonight.  I'd say if you run into a night hot list that wasn't smart enough to bring spirit hosts, which I don't know why you would ever do that But my god, you're just dead instantly like you're dead in the water right there I think of the something like the slaves darkness list we saw earlier With the little with the really big hammers like on one hand like the first one we looked at I'm sorry. I don't remember who's it was. Uh, was it gavin's gavin's? Yeah, there we go I did remember who's it was.   That's that's all cute, right? Um, you know the knights even have a five up against it or whatever And but they're rallying back strong the but the problem is Uh The sorgh lords and the little heroes those guys are very susceptible to this kind of thing, right? You might be in a point where Depending on it makes you really think about how exactly you're going to position those dudes And they might be as you said more spread out than you want Yeah, if you're a cabalus list, you don't want to see this No, no because you're trying to keep all those guys together. That's cool. Yeah, yeah Yeah It's one of the healthy weak points of well cabalus especially.  Yeah Cool list. I love the yeah the contrast as well with these two lists right after one another It's fantastic. What a great counterplay into the meta. I really thank you there You know every point we said about people wanting to be tighter feeling more comfortable with castles Working the smaller objective a number of objectives an objective area on the board This list plays against all of that Right. It's that's looking at all of that and trying to say, okay Well, what can I do to counter that that way that people are going to go? That's I I think this was a wonderful pick um I still think it's fun. Like you're bringing a lot of fun.  Prime running around dragons running around You got some ability in the hero phase to do what you want to do because you got good casters Uh, and you can you can project power from range. So Yep, we'll see All right Great stuff. Good luck. Andrew Uh for sigmar right there. Okay Uh bring it home for the barbarian king All right, so I think that was your six. I think we're into my six now I think so Yes, because I picked brice that sounds right. I picked a gloom spite one Even though it's the old book I wanted to pick the the gloom spite one Just because I wanted to shout brice out for with the old book and looking at what the new new book is capable of This guy brice still said, you know what? I'm a troll guy. I'm running trolls And what I liked about this list. So this is gloom spite gets it's got a dank old trog boss Uh, fungoey cave shaman web spinner on a rack and rock and then six rock at six rock at three fell water three fell water The marsh crawler slog off ten spider writers and ten spider writers so What I enjoyed about this list was The the very easy simple plan of this gets list All right Which is have the spider writers be chaff have a bunch of trolls with plus one to hit profit Like this is it You know Uh, I just I love the the simple almost like Just straightforward plan of it like i'm gonna march forward i'm gonna go One of the things that's funny to me is I think this thing will be so like this list Post the the new book. I think it's two times as strong just as written. Sure. Yeah um But I wanted to but I I love this as a final send-off I love people who are who are right or die with an army that even when they even when they know that they're not getting All their new toys they still they still went to it. So I just I wanted to give a shout out to brice for for having the The conies It's funny. I got a writer plan. Go ahead I got a little worried whenever I saw because I actually hadn't specifically looked at this list And I went through it and I'm I'm like is this is this new does he know he can't run new gifts? Because it's all troggs and which are great in the new book And I'm like I had to go back and make sure like no, this is this is legit This is old kids and he's just like you said running those troggs, man Yep, exactly. So big shout out here from me. I mean look it's still scary those troggs those fell waters They're still absolutely terrifying when they when they get into combat and he can it should be noted He still got the old loon shrine rule so he can only call back his Trolls because he's got the dank old trogg boss general in globs But still he can call back, you know, the the half-size units of rock gods as well So he does still have some pullback on the on the list as well To get those units back once they get lifted and they're not an easy unit to lift Um, so between the regeneration and the warden all that Okay Fun stuff Uh, I finally was watching the show man, uh the the review and I'm in love with that Getsbook Apart from the obvious potential problems one. I think really obvious problem But that problem being like squiggard and squiggard was three proud nails four-up rally the squiggard Right and then four. I'm mainly worried about yeah, I'm mainly worried about the 36 squiggard because of the critical mass of 36 I think if it were just like 24 that we're worrying about 24 is probably okay But it's the 36 that I think is going to be really proud But that book is just incredible like the variety you can do and yeah such what's the what's the over under on community support for Gets Over the next, you know, two three four How long do we go before we're angry at Gets players?  Yeah, right. I think that depends a lot on the FAQ It's true Though if if if we fix the right issues in FAQ I think that Getsbook will get a nice long run because Gaba Palooza wouldn't be stat like a good FAQ would be all the things we shed during the show, right?  It just doesn't make any sense Uh the squig herd problem getting fixed and I don't know how you solve the four plus rally thing I guess it just is what it is. But um And and yeah, I don't think no totally agreed mason. You're never angry at the players But you can't get angry at the book like oh god. I have played this again, right? Yeah, uh, but I think it with some proper FAQs. Yeah, they'll be strong and and they'll have a good run I don't think people will be that pissed off at them I'll I'll I'll say it'll stretch out to like six months before people are sick out or sick of them if uh, if we get the right FAQs People play rip a snarl fangs vents disrespected them by completely skipping over them Incredible little units you can buff them in so many amazing way. Oh, I love that unit Oh, did I miss a comment somebody talking about about rip a snarl fangs? No, that's just me. I I was going through that battle tone and like rip a snarl fangs They're just like this perfect modular unit, you know, a little unit on its own You can buff them different ways late game. They can go and do some real work Like the the buffs you can put on a piece like that. Anyway, yeah, I love them I did disrespect them as I will disrespect nearly all underworlds war bands from now until the end of time uh, all right my second list I mean, this is one of the other names. I love this name I almost picked this just on the name of the person alone if this is your real name miles. It's a fantastic name miles askew Uh, sounds like a like a film company. Um, so super cool Um, but at any rate miles had my heart right away when I saw he's playing scaven By the way, I love when you look through best coast pairings What you see and I'm looking through bcp, right is I can look at the sub faction It's like army sub faction army sub faction army sub faction I can spot the scaven players from a mile away because it just says scaven and then there's all this blank white text There's no sub factions Right So at any rate there were actually five scaven players off the top of my head that sounds right Uh, and this is the one I picked. I I looked carefully through all of them I will not lie that I paid more attention to the scaven list than I did to any others Because I knew I was going to have to be the scaven skit stan in this particular show I picked a scaven list that you ignored I I did that is true. Then I do want to do multiples of them I purposely did not pick scaven because of this knowledge And I would I would not do it justice So this is the one I picked after looking through all of them because this was my my favorite Um, although I will say I didn't love No offense to any of the scaven players. I didn't love any of your lists I didn't love any of them Number one not enough sensor bears number two not enough gutter runners. Like I was There's problems way too many points and heroes that are going to let you down Like this I looked at all the scaven lists and I was like, why are we spending 800 points on vermin lords? Ridiculous. Those guys aren't going to do anything This is great trust in your rats At our tournament we so it's a lone star gt. It's texas themed I I put up bounty posters like wanted posters in old western films So if you beat certain players you get free drinks Sure, if you if something epic happens, uh, you get free drinks If something awful happens you get free drinks, but it takes, you know a feat Um, I should put up any of the scaven players goes three two Um, I will uh, I'll buy some free alcohol and uh an invoice events I think first of all, I'm happy to buy a drink for that player. You can you can send me the expense line Uh, I will process that and that will get approved. Um, but I I think this is easily got a three two in it I think this could be pilot. So let's talk about the tech here So we've got the war bringer with devious adversary the warpstone charm and flaming weapon Okay, this guy's a melee threat like a legit melee threat devious adversary buffs all his attacks profiles by two He has the serious attack profile that can spike up for six damage and all of that. Um, the warpstone charm Um, is going to reduce the Save of the people near him by one and then flaming weapons bonus to damage. So he's he's just like a little tight package of killing Okay, great great He also has one of the best buffs that somehow still survived into 3.0 and that he gives re-roll to wounds That's right. No An actual re-roll to wounds printed in a 3.0 book Why I don't know because they didn't pay any attention to the skaven book and no one in that office actually cares about skaven Like within 13 of three or more friendly skaven units. Jesus. Wow. Yep. Yep, and he puts out a big bubble of re-roll to wounds It's not I was just assuming one unit or something, but no giant aura. Yeah So as he's real good And he's like the one vermin lord I think and actually do worked equal to his points between because he has immense utility And he actually hits hard when you give him diva's adversary. So tyler, you're looking at his attack profile Remember all that attack profile is up by two anytime by two. Yeah, this guy's incredible. Why the hell I've I've played against Skaven a lot. I've never played against this guy It's always the others because I always takes the the the deceiver because you can teleport within success way Yeah, and rule breaking is fun Which is where a lot of people I saw trying to that's correct warp stone enjoyer said he counts himself So remember tyler, it's only two units. He's counting himself for that. Uh, sure. Sure. Yeah. Yeah. Okay Now at any rate He's a threat. Then we got the claw lord. Why do we have the claw lord easy claw lord's command ability plus one attack It's an oldie, but a goodie. If you don't need all that attack, there's your there's your pick It's in the combat phase unfortunately, but hey, it's still good We got the engineer because we need an engineer for what we're going to talk about a little later And then we've got the death master with the shadow magnet Uh shadow magnet trinket baby with tunnel master as well just so we can get real wild and have some Optionality and how we how we're playing So he can deploy into a unit. What unit would he deploy into why why not 30 storm vermin?  We're near the war bringer. We're making 90 attacks on threes and threes neg one one damage and that other unit is dead Yeah, because they're in rolling wounds threes re rolling threes or the threes. Yeah threes re rolling. Sorry And there's our inclination their inclination command. So that's how you're getting the the double activation the storm vermin and death Yeah, amazing. They are most certainly in galatian command my dog. Yeah, and uh, so chop chop All day i'm choppin just slap choppin all day And uh And boom he's also got the three units 20 clan rats fantastic screening capability obviously against all the alpha He's got bodies for days each of them regen a d3 every battle shock phase. They also count as verminous units to trip off the war bringers Thing He's got the five gutter runners That's that's my only problem with this list not enough gutter runners too much investment in warp lightning cannons Uh, I would have traded all those lightning cannons for more gutter runners and sensor bearers and called it a day So I had a wave two and three But he's got the engineer who can now trip off all the warp lightning cannons So we can overcharge all of them. Those are just suicide machines where he rolls 12 dice He's just he just wants to roll ones or twos Right and and then yeah 10 to 12 mortal wounds and just zot that thing's dead zot that thing's dead It's important to remember a warp lightning cannon has a range of 24 inches It so he has a 27 inch threat range with his three inch move And really really good for sending them through swapping a knoll, right like Sitting one through a knoll sitting one back you get an extra six inch range On them. Yeah, so the the the key with this is Obviously this becomes just a wild very scaveny dice roll Because on the round where he like points this at at at you know One or two key units and then rolls like a one or two and a three on the warp power checks Those guys just he just levels his nms, right because that's just in around. It's like 30 some mortal wounds Yeah This is interesting because every time I see a lightning cannon I just have visions of like the rolling the one, you know Because it's going to happen to me and you just you're sure that whatever you've got that you need to protect This cannon is just going to just you know make it explode But it's interesting because right now we don't have Maybe what we had a year ago this time Which was like big bad monsters running around where you really wanted like the thing that did You know nine mortal wounds to this one piece, you know Scar brand or whatever, you know, that was was significant Now it's big blocks of infantry, which I feel have you know a lot more wounds in general But I do feel like, you know, who doesn't love a good warp lightning cannon rolling that one, baby Yeah, I mean Matias Matias, you know, Vince he Second at the championship in New Mexico. He had three warp lightning cannons I mean this when I look at this this looks like a new season version of his list, right? Like doesn't have thankful and they swapped. I think he had the deceiver So he's got the you've got the war bring instead of the deceiver and then swapping out thankful kind of basically for 30 storm vermin Which is phenomenal with the whole shadowmatic magnet trinket glacial command, etc trick that Vince just laid out. So This is a really strong list. Like I could see this going potentially even for one Yeah, I this this was absolutely my pick of all the scaven This stood apart if it was me personally, I would have probably zotted out one of those lightning cannons and and and brought in like Uh, another pack of gutter runners and some giant rats or something like that because he got 10 points to spare um Just just to have more bodies clogging up the field I find that scaven's power is in being able to just like be everywhere.  I thought it was it was it was great. I I would make some tweaks, but um But I think this is a very strong scaven list that was using a lot of fun tricks and plays very scaveny When he has a good game, he will wreck his enemy. You know, you talk about doing the nine mortals I'd point those three lightning cannons at those 15 chosen and be like, let's roll some ones and twos, baby Here we go That unit that's a big unit, but let's see how big that unit is when it's taken 36 mortal wounds Right Because in every scaven player's mind each one of those cannons is just 12 mortal wounds as well by the by like that's absolutely true Yeah And and your scaven you'll just ignore the five-up rally that they have it doesn't matter. It's fine irrelevant Right irrelevant. It's completely completely irrelevant I'll shoot him again. Just shoot him again. Just give me five All right All right Hey, look, there's only like three of them left after that first round of shooting after my 36 mortal wounds. So it's fine. We're good Um, all right, so good stuff. Good luck miles. Uh, I'm I'm excited Uh, okay Jonathan not even going to attempt your last name, but there it is. I did look very carefully to make sure I typed it correctly It's Jonathan's Jesus and he went 5-0 last year at the Lone Star Grand Tournament with uh, obr Um, so I'm I'm happy you picked him because he's a he's a very good player of ours And this is the first time I've seen him run So be wow This is the son's pick Of the tournament right here. I I could smell a good player A mile away with this list pick. I looked at all the son's list as well. Obviously very carefully another army I have a deep and abiding love for and was thinking about playing in this current season because Screw you dad. You can't tell me what to do. So anyways I looked at all of them and then I saw this list and I saw a man Who not only knows how to do math? Okay, number one, but number two Sees the power of just The the war stompa all the rest of them have all these tricks And bs going on but the war stompa has a very special ability tyler.  Really cool unique ability is Nope The worst stomp is cool ability is that he cost 450 points Okay, fair enough interesting. Okay. I like her heads up So because he cost 450 points, I see I sound like I'm being facetious right now, but I'm really not Sure Because 450 is a very magical number in this army All right, when you take three war stompas When when the unit is keyed to have an average cost of 500 points Yeah, that's how the army is keyed right everything is 500 points. You can just you always get four units Right, okay By taking three war stompas you actually get a fifth unit His single band crusher single man. Yeah, because you buy yourself 150 points over the three war stompas, right? And mega gargants are still mega gargants.  On the table, right? Mm-hmm. I would also point out that It's not as though these guys are bad They're still the two damage giant with the swinging attack profile, but in an infantry heavy season Most the time they're going to be at eight to ten attacks pretty easily without without too much of a sweat and When properly buffed like he can just cycle through his best day ever's on these guys and so on and so forth And when properly buffed when they go to twos and twos These guys do become a nightmare still they are still a mega gargant when you move them down to twos and twos by just your rotating cycle of of best day ever like, uh, they do and they do a very What I want to say appropriate amount of damage remember each of them can also insta slay A model out of a unit as well all the man crushers can also stuff people in their pants So he's got a lot of sneaky mortal wounds here. The last thing I'll point out about this list is he has my favorite Command trait which is out. You can only get in stomp a tribe which is eager for the fight Which gives him an 18 inch charge with his Which is stampa there, um, which I value incredibly highly For having a piece that can be very very mobile. So What's the glowy shield do? I do not remember off the top of my head. Okay, no worries Uh, is that the one potentially reduce rim by one? I think it's the one where if you roll a six it pops a mortal back to you Every six and I think yeah, I think it does that and reduces red by one. No. Okay. So that's the Uh I played against that the other night and that was the most impressive thing on the table What's the reducing room by one? No, it's great. I I love the the reducing rend by one. Maybe maybe it is I don't think so. I do. I do. I literally do not remember off the top of my head I don't maybe submit in the comments. Can you tell us? Yes comments remember what the glowy shield of protectiveness is I literally can't remember. I'm sorry. I don't remember every one of their magic items um but Yeah, I like I do often use that rend by one thing because it's incredible Like it's just unbelievable how much more survivable it makes your your mega garden. So And then stomper tribe. What's that doing?  Okay, cool It does a ton.  So these big blocks we've been speaking of Um, those little gargants turn into just Annihilators when they go in, um, they get extra attacks on their throwing rocks And I think they get something else too. It's like it's quite a bit for those little guys So what vince was speaking to the adding of the man crush? Um, not only does it give you a little screen if you need it, but also just, you know, uh, that that power pair is significant Um, we've been talking about, you know, the low amount of objectives too in this ghp and who doesn't love a low amount of objectives Oh, yeah, that's so beef player Yeah, and remember these guys have got yeah, okay. So it is the neg one rend ignore or the cool Yeah, so it turns it doesn't reduce rend by one it ignores rend neg one Oh, that's right. That's right. And then sixes bounce. Yes, correct Um, okay, yeah, which I love. Yes glowy shield Like it's funny too because I take it all the time and just can't even remember its name like it's so it's so built in I always just say the magic item I'm taking is the rend one becomes zero and it bounces the sixes I don't remember their stupid names anymore because you don't need the book to play this this army So the same stats now you can do it's the easiest thing to play from your mind but But yes, like think of all of the unbelievable mortals like this guy wants to be charging so bad every stompa D6 mortals on the charge in all the man crushes huge amounts of mortals on the charge in Then the man crushers base clubs against a unit of 10 go to three damage attacks They go to four damage attacks against big units Right.  Yeah, the mob can because they got a champion now Well, I'm very excited to see that I looked at their melee profiles and everything's a three to hit Which is a revelation in this battle tone as far as I could tell having everything on threes to hit as a starting point Uh, so that's nice. And yeah, the playing against them a few times. It's the man crusher mob That's always been pressing the most just what they that unit can do all the different Uh various elements that are going on with it. Yeah That it's pretty impressive. Yeah, cool list So, yeah, this is this was super fun. Stampa's been my tribe forever I hardcore rep stampa and when I saw somebody who realized that they could now sneak the extra garganin Which is something I had I had caught in too as well and I was like, uh, this is this is my guy right here This guy this guy knows some giants. So yes good stuff, jonathan Uh, by the way, this dude gets his triumph like all the time because he's 1950 Uh, he's in triumph town Yeah, I'm a great player. This should be interesting to see. I'm actually really excited to watch him pilot this Yeah on the big club vents. Is that capping out at 10 attacks or is it 10 plus four? No caps out of 10 caps out of 10. Okay I mean, why would we get a reasonable number of attacks from our giants? It's sure as always we we get the dumb rules Yeah But that's fine I jonathan is going to be doing a lot of work this weekend To prevent the inevitable slide to the 40 win rate that that sons of behemoth will have in this season Can we get to the 30s? Only time will tell uh, I see it as highly likely, but I but I believe jonathan will be doing a lot to counteract that this weekend Okay, oops, there we go All right. Now we're to your lists tyler Yeah, Jeremiah Jeremiah Galvac with the ogre mawtrives in meat fist. We got big craggy the cragnos We've got a tyrant with brawler guts. We've got a tyrant with brawler guts We've got a tyrant with brawler guts and we've got a tyrant Who's the general who's got a killer reputation? Who's got death cheater and brawler guts Then we've got led belchers led belchers led belchers some noblars And a lauchin the soul seeker I have no idea what this does It's I'm not going to hear what this does. Oh, it's amazing that okay. This is like 50 percent of me Tyler, I'm gonna let you take this. I'm gonna let you finish But look all I'm saying is Jeremiah is running one of my favorite lists of this whole tournament. Okay go This has been this is my favorite list of the entire season so far that I've seen So I've seen as you may have have as well variations of this list I think a version of this went definitely 4 1 maybe 5 0 a couple weekends ago Uh, I think there was like 3 by 6 Of the gluttons instead of led belchers. Anyway, uh meat fist remind me meat fist doesn't it give you Like basically plus 1 on the charge impact hits correct. Yes. Okay.   He's got I mean, I yeah, I mean just that could do so much work against so many armies Uh, he has two of them on a five up ward, which is sweet Yep, uh, he's got flaming weapon on another one. I mean, I was looking at the war scroll for these guys They got like they don't have a lot of attacks, but they've got ways to get some nice bonuses It's like if you pop some sixes to hit they get a lot more interesting as well Uh, I just I think they're gonna do potentially amazing work and a number of matchups That's the like the long and short of it. It's just all about tyrants And charging and charging in this abc mortals everywhere Yeah, like let's let's just run through the simple math of this so that everybody really gets it Exactly said death cheater and griff feather charm give the two of them a five up save, right? Then he's also got the tunnel master if he needs to do that trick. Okay And then one of them has flaming weapons so it can be slightly with uh with a with a boat Yeah with a boat with a run. Yeah, so like multiples of them can teleport multiples of them have five up wounds We've got lots of optionality, but here's the raw math his average charge rolls a 10 Yeah And he does mortals on a three up right Yep, which means he gets Six points something we're gonna be a little generous. We'll call it seven mortal wounds when he charges Okay, it's not exactly true, but we'll it's but we'll we'll say it's true. All right So if he's landing charges with all four of them every time he can charge He does 28 mortal wounds in the charge phase You don't need to fight that well When you do 25 to 28 wounds every charge phase just between your four heroes Like the rest of the army is just like they're for spice You're just you're just killing people in the charge phase So that's talk talk to me about his endless spell. Why lash on Uh, so he can so he can toot around the tyrant with the arcane tome and then still Uh, you know do everything else like move and things like that after it Yeah, just push around a little easier. Yeah, 3d6 coming off of laushan with cragness is in range Yeah Yeah And I mean like sharpshooters is does not exist in in the meta right now for all intents and purposes And he's got right, you know a decent number of battle line that can prevent them from getting shot They're obviously the great galley champs Uh, yeah, like I don't know. I think I think it's an absolutely fascinating list It really is clear the lead belchers just float around behind the tyrants and act as like a you can't target me thing And then put some shots out irrelevantly, right? Like who cares? Yeah, you get a couple wounds here and they're off the lead belchers And then by the way, they can charge to and toss some more mortal wounds on the pile Yeah, that's all that you know Um, because uh, yeah, they're they're still doing it on four ups because they're a meat fist because they have at least two models and uh Or three models or whatever. Sorry and and they're in um And they're in meat fist, so they're still on four ups. So everybody is effectively doing the the ogre monster charge in here Yeah That mortal Wins as long as you're next to craggy Yep, just craggy. He got a big boy. He's got to stay alive. He's he's the he's the the thrumming engine of the center of this list I mean, he's he's not gonna like the type of sentinels list or the 60 sentinels obviously, but no Yeah, right I I'm first that I do feel like he's still quite solid in this in this meta I don't I don't probably not saying anything dramatic there, but yeah, like I still think he's uh, he's he's attractive Uh, no, it's it's amazing. Yeah against the 60 sentinels list. That's a real oof right there, but but sure Barring that kind of a case he is he is generally tough enough that he'll he'll stick it out and live so Okay, yeah, yeah, that's that's a fun list That's super fun. I I freaking love this. I want to see I can't wait and like Gosh, I hope this guy's game one is against somebody who doesn't understand how this all works Right, just so he can like explain it And they'll be like the great part is that Jeremiah, uh gavelak is He's he's essentially one of the the og's of texas. He's part of the hangover heroes group and they're great They uh, they come to come to party That's fantastic. Yeah, he'll explain this the person will be like, okay I get it you do some water wounds in the charge and then he'll do it and there's a difference between That that's when that person will learn the difference between uh hearing the words and seeing the thing, right? They will believe All right, great stuff Ashley Hayden with sylvaneth. I'm just going to read through it quickly and then tyler hand this directly over to you Uh, heartwood Grand strategy survivors instinct Inspired season is the reaping Uh, the ripping in the taran the ripping in the taran Knight zephyros allorial the ever queen. There's your hero pack. We're done six current also great bows five tree revs Five tree revs five archers and a spite swarm hive Okay, I'll wrapped up in a battle ridge. So one drop Tyler go. Yeah, do you guys remember offhand survivors instinct? What's that do? That's one of the ghp ones. Yeah Let me pull it up here survivors instinct Yeah, I'm thinking that's one of the ghp grand strats Uh, survive is instinct when the battle ends please grand strata the model picked to be your general is a galley champ That model is contesting an objective wholly outside your territory Okay, and then what's the general that are driven in is for general. Yes. Sorry. I try cool. Yeah, we'll are driven it. Yes Yeah, all right.  So that's sweet. Love it Uh, yes, I believe this is number one. I'm very excited that she's writing this list Uh, I think math mellow did run something similar. Uh, we've seen some variations of the alleral list Uh, I'm So intrigued by this list for a lot of reasons because when I look at it guys Honestly, I don't get it Sure, it's 87 wounds. Yeah No I don't see Certainly not a 5-0 army, but I know uh, let's say the matthew goldsboro did really well with a list kind of like this at, uh, bloodshire or bloodshed in the shires And Yeah, but I just I don't get it so Number one, I thought we might see fewer curnoff bows In this season, but we're still seeing them a lot in 7th list The gospel archers are pretty cool. I think we're going to see more of them. So I do like that in here Zephyros is all of I mean matt I saw so many zephyros as an order ally In uh in list with your tournament. So so I get that but I'm guessing this I mean this list probably plays a long game It's obviously looking to do I'm target priority is essential with this kind of list with the six bows Maybe often you're bringing out another three bows from alarial. You've got heartwood, right? So you can pick three targets or plus one to hit uh melee and shooting So yeah target priority is really critical and lariel is your striking fade piece So she's going around being a bully I guess she's getting there which is exciting if that's true I I'm not sure I see it, but uh, yeah The hard part is that this is a very much a scalpel army Yes, and I feel like we're in a sledgehammer meta right now. Um, yeah so it's very hard with that pinpoint, you know damage output to truly hurt a lot of the things out there, especially because um The even if you wanted to target those foot heroes, you know, a lot of people are taking you can't You're not running sharp shooters. And so it's kind of like well. What are you hitting with your scalpel? Like what's the what's the purpose? Um, I will say this that actually is a very good player and beautiful painter um But yeah, I kind of agree It's it's a list that has a lot of beautiful beautiful pieces to it But I don't know how it plays well into what we're currently seeing as far as what's being being brought to uh, Right the table right now. Yeah. Yeah, like you imagine the strike and fade with a lariel against that against gavin's S2d list or something right and you're like, what? What are you hitting? What are you hitting that cares? Right, right. You go in you hit something you fade and and then they rally back Well, you know, it's just like what I'm not sure what you're what you're doing there. That's That's gonna deplete them in any way enough, right? Yeah, and the bows are gonna have a hard time doing i mean bows minus one rins as always they're gonna have a hard time getting through the armor of the storm cast Generally speaking and slaves darkness as well. Yeah So it's it's more I wanted to call it out because I think it is I think you're really I think she's really gonna struggle to um to control objectives You know, even if she could do enough damage I don't know if she has the ability to sit and and tank something I think anything like ogres or night haunt or slaves can walk forward and basically take whatever objective they want Um, she's got movement shenanigans, which is great But if you're not moving on to the the pieces you need to then what's the point? Um So yeah, it's but I think that's kind of silver nothing a bubble I don't really know any silver net lists that would Tank well or Play well in the world Yeah, I know people can think of them extremely But it's just it's tough when you have some armies out there who running, you know lists that just look like just they'll just mow over everything they touch And you're and you're predicated on jumping around the the flanks and then right now There's no there's no objectives on the flanks, you know, not for most most of them anyways So far what we've been seeing what I've been seeing that is Tree lords actually making a comeback Or well, actually, I suppose they were never really there like they never come back to make like we did We haven't hardly ever seen tree lords Exactly But you know, like I saw a list the other day two tree lords drycha dirt through trueline ancients Uh, not a war song, but like just a bunch of big pieces, right tree tree revenants Maybe a unit of triads. I don't know if you can fit. I don't think they had kernoths in that list I mean, we're seeing a tremendous amount of variety with somnath right now, which is awesome Probably the most righty that I can ever remember Since 2016 when the book came out like literally it's it is amazing the variety that's out there But yeah, this looks like a last season list But I just want to call it out because I don't know if she if actually if you listen to this I'd love to talk with you sometime hear more about kind of what you're thinking with this list And yeah, hopefully it does well over the weekend I'm I I love the list it just I I found it intriguing because I didn't quite see How it was going to get the job done in this this new season It'll be interesting to see what happens Yeah, okay, and then let's see then that brings us to our last list Uh, is that right? Yeah, that's our last list. Okay Ryan Manti with magikin of nergal and blessed sons Orgots demons few leading up the lord of plagues who's fueled by gurish rage Gurlish rage gurish rage the lord of blights who is the general with overpowering stench and our old favorite the split horn helm Everybody loves it and he's got a little tunnel master action 10 blikings 10 blikings 10 rottmeier creed To celebrate I assumed the third movie coming out there not good or anything You just take him because he really likes that movie Trilogy And then two plus squirrel blight lords some galatian veterans and warlord tyler take us through this list Yeah, did you just say rottmeier creed are not good. That's me. That's me being funny. That's me. Okay. Okay Well, I mean you're talking you're talking about nergal. I I I don't know what's going on with you anymore in nergal So I had a shiny point of the book somehow Sure Yeah, people are very into rottmeier creed. I've been seeing them all over the place Yes, so Matt When I looked at this list it encapsulated everything that we at least think is true about this current season Right except except he didn't have galatian commands, right? Like I would have thought maybe one of those It's it's a bit of a push and pull right because you want to put them both in galatian veterans to get the bonds of battles If at all look within reach for melee But then you're missing out of galley commands. Yeah so I think with the with the galatian Veterans, it's a guarantee versus a situational, you know, right a battalion Which which I don't hate you kind of like the the bird in the hand But yeah, I mean you could play it either way, especially with nergal because you know, you're going to be stuck in for the most part But I like both of them because man the output on double ranked Blight Kings has got to be so much fun Yes, yeah, it's gross in the current season because again, we looking through a lot of these lists You see a lot more infantry. You see a lot more stuff with two and three wounds And 10 packs of futured blight kings fighting in both ranks. Love fighting things with one two or three wounds They love it right Yeah, so I'm gonna yeah really curious to see how well this does I mean, it's One of the most simplest lists that we've gone through tonight Simple, but I think potentially very effective or gods remains One of the top pieces, you know free command point He's got basically only mortals with this list. So he's going to be able to benefit from that Two of the excellent galley champs the best galley champs in the book If you need sloppity you just summon sloppity Although maybe you're not getting as much benefit in this list because there's no demons But yeah, lord of blights will replace fantastic Obviously lord of plagues plus one attack characteristic hole within 12 start a combat on one of those big bricks of blight kings That's amazing. You get a little chip damage from the other lord of blights from the other one Up to potentially 14 attacks three threes minus one rinse. That's cool Uh, yeah, just I think it's an amazing list very simple I Most of nurgle's battle tactics are kill oriented Actually, like at the end of the day that you have to be able to kill things and this should be pretty good at that Sitting on objectives killing things Yeah, I think especially within this meta.  I mean, they're already pretty slow four inch move with all of this army Except for the blight lords and orgots So, you know, if you potentially have ways to keep the blight kings off of at least one of them off of an objective Maybe that's going to help you out a lot. I'll slow them down Some ways of pinning like we were just talking about tree lords tree lords would be fantastic You can see it's kind of blight kings turning up pile in hitting them on a side. That's sort of thing. They're pretty durable Um, but yeah, I like the list a lot. I think hopefully he'll do well Yeah, yeah, I have to wonder if sort of the nightmare list for for ryan to run into isn't the night haunt list We reviewed earlier in psilver dead Right. Oh, sure Who can easily chip a wound or two into those into the into any of these units?  Yeah, you got 40 wounds, but like they'll get there Yeah, well, they're in their relation They're in glacial veterans. So they're fighting in two ranks the heritans. So it's 80 attacks Yeah, just just disgusting. Yeah Yeah, it's it's just a wound That feels like an odd like looking at that night haunt list. I have no other way No, no idea how a nergalist is going to beat that. It feels like an odd a loss to me like, yeah Yeah, it takes the best it takes the best part of your army and throws it away. Yeah, right, right It it just absolutely Uh It absolutely has the answer like it's very much a rock and you brought scissors to the match, right? Yeah 100% Yeah So that's but hey, that's what I love to see. I you know, I can't wait to say Ryan could end up facing that but there's a late that as you mentioned That's the only quick silver dead list and there's a lot of other lists in night haunt that he runs into that He's way well much much better positioned against, right? Uh, so At any rate, it'll be you know, that's that's the beauty of the tournament. You don't play everybody You just see the how the matchups spin out So, uh, Matt, hey, thank you so much, buddy. This is a lot of fun Yeah, I appreciate having me even with this, uh, shitty, uh It's not so good I hope I uh didn't didn't uh Cut out too bad, but we shall see No, no, you were you were fine for the vast majority But there was just a time or two the only shame of it is that we didn't get to see your beautiful face That that is that is that's make us all sad But matt seriously honestly absolute pleasure Best of luck with the tournament this weekend for everybody. It's gonna be a lone star gt Uh, I hope everybody has a great time has so much fun for you scaven players Do it you can do it come on Uh, and and I want to see their suns player do well. I love all these lists we reviewed So thank you, Tyler. Thank you matt for bringing out these awesome lists. Uh, I hope everybody has a wonderful time Uh, thank you out there so much for watching this. Hey, why don't you hit like that would be really great It's so free and easy and you just have to click a tiny little button on your screen Just just click it right now. It helps other people find the show and helps us Uh build the channel subscribe by the way if you haven't already Uh, and if you want to support the show you can do so there's a patreon down below focused on hobby and review and feedback And taking your next step on your hobby journey. There's a merch store down there as well Uh, but matt thank you so much. We will absolutely have you back on again in the future Internet be darned. We'll have you buddy. It was a great pleasure. Absolutely Thanks, Vince. Appreciate what you do for the community. I don't know people have said this before But without you we would be a much more sparse and uh an uncoordinated group Uh, you are known as the Cadillac uh down here in texas and uh, and we love what you guys are doing So keep it up Well, absolutely. The only thing i've been remissing is not getting down to a good texas tournament Which is something i've got to do uh as soon as possible I know it's a great great great group of people down there Every time i've had the opportunity to interact with any of the texas teams at other tournaments It's been an absolute pleasure. It's an unbelievable group of players So thank you all so much for watching. Thank you very much. Tyler for pinch hitting tonight. I appreciate it buddy. Absolutely pleasure All of you out there. Hope you have a absolute wonderful Rest of your week rest of your day and as always We'll see you next wednesday