Second John beginning at verse one the elder to the elect lady and her children whom I love in truth And not only I but also all those who have known the truth because of the truth Which abides in us and will be with us forever Grace mercy and peace will be with you from God the Father and from the Lord Jesus Christ the son of the father in truth and love I Rejoiced greatly that I have found some of your children walking in truth as we receive commandment from the father and Now I plead with the lady not as though I wrote a new commandment to you But that which we have have had from the beginning that we love one another This is love that we walk according to his commandments This is the commandment that as you have heard from the beginning you should walk in it For many deceivers have gone out into the world who do not confess Jesus Christ is coming in the flesh This is a deceiver and an antichrist Look to yourselves that we do not lose those things we worked for but that we may receive a full reward Whoever transgresses and does not abide in the doctrine of Christ does not have God He who abides in the doctrine of Christ has both the father and the son If anyone comes to you and does not bring this doctrine do not receive him into your house nor greet him For he who greets him shares in his evil deeds Having many things to write to you. I did not wish to do so with paper and ink But I hope to come to you and speak face to face that our joy may be full The children of your elect sister greet you Amen as is my normal Method, let me give you a little bit of a background and then we'll get into Looking at these verses before us. This is the letter of 2nd John It is estimated that this particular letter 2nd John was written by the Apostle John around the year 90 AD Part of the reason why we know this to be John is because of the similarities with other writings of John and So it makes the authorship pretty clear This is written by John though. He begins by referring to himself as the elder now It's no doubt that the that the recipients of this particular letter knew exactly who this author is now he continues in this particular book to refute the errors of false teachers and When you look into 1st John You'll see that that was part of the purpose of writing 1st John. It's because there were false teachers who had been Creeping into the church and and John as the elder over the church's pastor had written a letter to them and Had clarified what was taking place in order that they might be able to refute the errors of the false teachers He had spoken concerning these false teachers in 1st John in chapter 2 verse 19 And he said they went out from us, but they did not really belong to us for if they had belonged to us They would have remained with us But they're going so that none of them belong to us And so he was speaking concerning false teachers who at one time had associated themselves as Christians But in reality we're not walking in the truth and remaining in Fellowship with those who believed in Christ and the way that John had been teaching them So these false teachers are still spreading their error So because that's a fact John is now writing another warning to the church and he's simply saying this he's saying do not associate with these false teachers So his theme is uncomplicated Remain consistent in the practice and simplicity of the gospel as you have been taught Avoid these traveling evangelists who are entering into your neighborhood churches in order to deceive And so that's the background basically that's what you're going to be seeing as we go through this particular letter together So he begins in verse 1 by saying the elder to the elect lady and her children notice whom I love in truth And so I've mentioned this to you before but during the day of the writing of the New Testament You would normally have a formula We have a formula for writing letters that are still it's still accepted to this day We'll begin with who we're going to send the letter to dear so-and-so Then you have the body of the letter and then you have your conclusion yours truly or how however you you conclude We all that's a form during this day. They had a form also it would begin with the author That's how they would begin so the author is the elder then they would say to the recipient And that's the second thing you see here and then the third thing they would do is they would give a blessing And so that's just the basic way that they would write their letters during that time So he begins by identifying himself as the elder And he identifies the recipient to the to the elect lady and her children whom I love in truth And so he begins by identifying himself then he identifies the recipient of the letter and then he gives the blessing Now when he begins by saying the elder That's a title and the elders in reference to John he's an older man as he writes this and Though he's an older man. He's not speaking of himself in terms of his age When you see the word elder in scripture sometimes the word elder is simply that it's speaking of an older man When Paul is writing to Timothy on one occasion he says to him treat the older man as fathers And so there are times that the word elder is used in terms of chronological age So an older person is an elder they're elderly We use the word to this day speaking of their age, but he's not speaking in that way here What he's speaking of is uh his his place in the church. He's using the title elder To speak to himself as the spiritual leader of a congregation And this is a way that this word could be used We see it with Peter in first Peter 5 verse 1 when he said to the elders among you I appeal as a fellow elder A witness of Christ's sufferings and one who also will share in the glory to be revealed So in this case, he's not saying I'm an old man writing a letter He's writing as the elder of the church. He's writing as the spiritual overseer He's saying I am the spiritual leader of the congregation I mentioned that I meet with young pastors and they're not all young some some are older men But a good number of these young pastors are are just that they are young pastors. They're in the 30s And and I was sharing with them yesterday about the fact that That it's it's very important in the body of christ for the younger to learn from the older In this age of instant knowledge, all I have to do is ask almighty google for for information And and I can get information most anything I want You know and You know web md and all kinds of things I can become a doctor All I need to do is google this and google that in a time like that We we today Are actually causing our our culture to go through a huge transformation Where where where people think that they're educated? Because they spent some time quote-unquote Researching things by going on on the web well I was sharing with the young guys that that when you're young you want to have all the answers But when john was speaking and it's found in first john too when john was speaking Concerning stages of maturity He spoke of of little children and he spoke of young men and he spoke of the fathers And he said the father basically and I was sharing with these guys father Basically is the term simply to say you have known him who is from the beginning And I said and what that simply means is it's it's a tip of the hat It's a nod to the man who's been walking with god for years And he is simply now a father and I said to the guys I said I appreciate being a pastor But my role is being transformed right now as i'm In my ministry to that of like a father Somebody who has that experience Who's able to share those kinds of things with the body of crisis John was the elder he was the older man And this church had the wisdom to listen to his Instruction he was their pastor At the time of the writing he's the last remaining apostle All the rest have already Been martyred John was the last one And he's speaking concerning his pastoral relationship to the church and that's how he begins by referring to himself as the elder But notice he is writing to the elect lady He says to the elect lady and her children So the question is asked who is this elect lady and who are her children? That's another way of referring to a local church fellowship John is writing to a church. He's not writing to a particular woman and he's not writing to her children He's writing to the church again The apostle peter uses that kind of writing technique in first peter 5 13 When it says she who is in babelun chosen together with you sends you her greetings She who was in babelun is a reference to the church The church that was in captivity of the church that was under persecution And so this elect lady is the church and the congregation of the church So as the leading elder john is writing directions to a church It's a church in need of exhortation The church is viewed as a mother Needing to discipline and to protect her children Now Why would he be writing to the church in the picture of a mother and children? And the answer is there to protect Against deception the deception that is infiltrating the church through false teachers We'll look at that in just a moment in some detail So he says in verse one That he loves them and I want you to notice something here john writes that he loves him in the truth He says not only I But also all those who have known the truth So Love Love of the truth love of the truth within the congregation The love of christ is not simply to be experienced On this personal Note alone Yes, it is true that each one of us who knows christ has what is called and we've We've learned this through the billy graham crusades and all over all these years Uh, we can have a personal relationship with jesus christ You know, it's it's it's a relationship that i as an individual have but you need to always know this and this is something that Sometimes has to be repeated though. I'm sure you already know this Christianity listen carefully because this this falls on deaf ears all the time. So i'll say it Christianity is community You have to understand that Christianity is community The church would gather together in fellowship Because they knew that the world was in opposition to the truth of christ And they would gather together because it you would remain strong I used to use the illustration quite often of During the you know times I would barbecue and and you drop the coal there and you light it and it begins to heat up And if you took some tongs and you reached into the center of that that pile of coals And there may be a coal there that is white hot white hot and you pull it out and you put it by itself That coal will go out because there's nothing around it to help to keep the heat We know that because we barbecue Just take that the hardest if you'd like and take it out and put it to the side All the rest that remain there can continue in that heat But the one that's removed is going to go out And fellowship keeps us aflame for christ Our relationship to god is not simply individual though we need to cultivate our personal walk with god But it's deeper than that. It is a shared experience with like-minded believers And that's what keeps me moving in the ways of the lord So the love of christ is not to be experienced simply by one person alone God's love is experienced together It's experienced in the body of christ the community of believers And so he's writing to the church in the church family It's interesting as you look at this how he says love and he says truth That's an interesting combination When you read the first six verses here You're going to see that love and truth are used nine times Nine times in the first six six verses of this of this portion of scripture That's because the bible teaches very clearly that real love is always connected with truth Real love is always connected with truth and you can make that practical if you'd like You know, I was talking to a friend of mine just uh yesterday who was saying that he cuts hair And he says, you know, he said I was speaking to a woman customer And she said to me she's on a harmony e harmony And um he said She was talking to me and said You know that she's got a guy interested in her and She said to my friend, you know, I really ought to tell him how old I really am That would be nice because when you look at some of that They put pictures of themselves when they were younger or some somebody else Um, you know, they exaggerate their accomplishments. That is very common And he said I talk to people all the time. That's what he does. He cuts hair Sometimes 10 hours a day He does it six days out of the week So start multiplying that and he is busy constantly He's he's he's he's got a whole list of people that keep him busy cutting here And and he's been he's been a friend of mine for 32 years And so he's been cutting hair for longer than I've known him And he said Dave, he says I'm telling you that He says everyone That I speak to tell me they lie on these websites They all lie. He says and he said and even the christians are lying And he said this woman saying I really ought to tell him how old I am And he said, you know, that is a lie when you don't well, it's not really a lie It's you know, that's what we do You know, we have a tendency of of not telling the truth Love and truth are always connected always illustration You're a kid You're learning to date you do learn to date some get good at it some don't They just get married now some So I don't know what your dating experience was or if you're dating now. I don't know I can say that mine was clumsy at best You don't know if they want to go out with you When you go out with them, you don't know if they're going out because you're taking them some place They want to go you don't know if they want to be with you They don't you don't know if they want to be with you a second time. You don't know any of that It's you're taking a chance.  It wasn't it was just it was just a way to try And get them to like me. So whatever they liked I liked That's just the way it was until I met Marie When I met Marie I was old enough at that point to say this and this is what I did I said She's going to know David for who he really is Not what he pretends to be She's going to know the real guy if she likes me. She liked the real me If she doesn't she doesn't like the real me, but at least she doesn't like who I really am That's what I chose to do and wonder of wonders. She actually liked me. That was a trip, but she did And so I've never lied to her I've never never never come on like that because love and truth Are always together and when you have real love, there's real truth That's in the practical, but that's true obviously in the spiritual You see genuine love is rooted in scriptural truth Because the word of god defines love for us And in the bible Love is revealed to us You know love at least an outer appearance of love Can be counterfeited They can present themselves as very loving They're appearing to be very loving Without the reality of real love Christian love can be imitated by cults that are led by false teachers They can show an interest in you that makes you feel that they care about you When in reality they're simply using you And so that gives us insight into why he begins immediately to speak about love and truth and tie it together He's reminding them that the false teachers try to counterfeit love But real love is rooted in god's truth And his concern for them as we're looking at this as well as for the whole church Is that they lovingly live out the gospel And he's pointing that out to them Because he's speaking concerning the fact that they are those who abide in the truth and they walk in the truth God's commands have been given to us with the goal of teaching us to live in love For god And in love with others In first timothy in chapter one Verse five paul said the purpose of the commandment is love From a pure heart from a good conscience from sincere faith And christian love contains within it the desire and impulse to do good to other people And so christians don't use another person's desire for love to harm them in any way We don't take advantage of other people for our own gain In first john 3 18 and 19 john had said dear children Let us stop just saying we love each other Let us really show it by our actions It is by our actions that we know we are living in the truth So we will be confident when we stand before the lord So god's goal for our lives is to transform us And as our lives are transformed our lives actually become appealing to other people They see what we have and desire it also And so he says to the elect lady or children whom i love in truth and not only i but also all those who have Known the truth because verse two of the truth which abides in us and will be with us forever The truth has come to stay is what he's saying the truth has come to stay in the members of the body of christ Now again truth is more than agreeing with certain things in an objective way I want you to see this he says the truth which abides in us and will be with us So it's not just memorizing bible answers When I was sharing today with the prayer breakfast I said that I received religious instruction as a child And I could I could give some essential basics Because it really impacted me when I was young Those things that had been taught to me And so I could actually have conversations with people About rudimentary things about the faith I I could speak concerning the fact that that the bible was inspired by god because I'd been taught that I I could say to them That that god has been revealed in three persons father son holy spirit.  I could speak on that not deeply But at least in a way it could evidence that I had at least had some basic rudimentary instruction concerning the christian faith and and And that that is not what he's talking about. There's a lot of people who are able to to speak About things from an intellectual basis He says no the truth is abiding in us. It's with us. It saturates us The truth Jesus christ who is the truth who lives within us Has impacted our lives to the very core is what he's speaking about. It's with us forever It isn't just knowledge that oh, yeah, okay. It's time for me to put on my religion hat and talk religion It's not that at all. It is who you are and it's the abundance of your heart Again using as an illustration the prayer breakfast and speaking to the mayor and The mayor makes mention of a few things That had been Told him apparently somebody Somebody in a certain position within the city of some authority didn't want me to come out To speak because he had read an article. I had written that was published in a newspaper Related to god's design for marriage And so he felt I was inappropriate to come and speak because I don't believe in homosexual marriage And thus he really shouldn't be speaking to To these people because of that antagonistic perspective that I have And so I share it how god sets free homosexuals today at the breakfast, you know letting him know Hey, that's what god says. That's what his word says and that's what ministers do We preach the unvarnished truth of the gospel Regardless of whether you like it or not or want me to be here and that's why I turned to marie later And she said next time we come I said no, there won't be a next time You've got to just say it the way it is when you're given the opportunity But that's a fact and you don't say it with antagonism You see you're not afraid of men Your fear should be of god And if god has entrusted you with this word you speak it the way it is And you know what god has a way he does you know and that's worthy of applause not because I did that because it's true That's how it works and it's going to bubble out It's going to bubble out. That's why I was saying I don't know if I'm going to go I don't know if they could hold you know hang with me because I don't I don't I don't I don't back down. That's just not going to happen I'm going to tell them the way it is If they can handle that I'll come if they can't then find somebody Somebody else that's I don't have the time for that and so no no we want you to and bless the Lord I had a great time and all of that But the truth for the believer is actually permeating our entire being our entire existence And again, it's more than simply memorizing lines in a catechism It becomes the core of who we are in psalm 51 verse 6 It says surely you desire truth in the inner parts you teach me wisdom in the inmost place And it's that truth that directs our lives It's that truth that wells up within us and it's that truth that bubbles out And we share it he says in verse 3 we made it all way to verse 3 so fast Grace and mercy and peace will be with you from god the father and from the lord jesus christ The son of the father in truth and love Now in this greeting he's issuing a promise grace mercy and peace will be with you from god the father If you walk in truth and love You will have grace mercy and peace from god If you walk in that if you walk in grace mercy and peace You will if you walk with god you will have those things from the lord god is giving you a promise when you walk in truth And when you walk in love you have these other things He says in verse 4 i rejoice greatly that i have found some of your children walking in truth As we receive command from the lord it's a sad statement when you look at it I rejoice to see some of your children That means some aren't That means some aren't He didn't say i rejoice greatly that i found all of your children walking in truth I found some of your children walking in truth Obviously false teaching had influenced some in the church You see love for god if you want to mark something for your own heart mark this please Love for god is evidenced by a consistent longing to know and to keep the word of god You really love god Keep his word That's that's how you demonstrate your love in Psalm 119 163 The psalmist said i hate and abhor falsehood, but i love your law Psalm 119 167 my soul keeps your testimonies. I love them Exceedingly you see false teachers entered in they began to influence some of the people in the church And there will always be young believers immature in their faith who are susceptible to false teaching I've had that here in this church numerous times Where a new believer Starts watching a program and Believes that that person on that program is really helping them to know god And it comes to my attention and i've mentioned to them You know i would be careful with that their teachings are are really not in line with scripture and And they've been influenced they've been influenced by by false teachers that happens quite often And so what had happened is the false teachers entered in they began to influence some in the church And uh, that's why systematic teaching going through the word and reading it for yourself in this fashion Is so important because it builds you up And as he's continuing in verse five he says i plead now i plead with you i beg you lady Not as though i wrote a new commandment to you But that which we have had from the beginning that we love one another This is love that we walk according to his commandments This is the commandment that as you have heard from the beginning you should walk in it. I'm begging you walk In love I'm begging you. I'm pleading with you I'm not writing a new commandment to you The love of god provides the purest proof That a person knows god By this shall all men know you are my disciples if you love one another That isn't some hippie theme from the sixties That's that's the biblical teaching Jesus said it himself In john 15 17, jesus said these things i command you that you love one another In first acelonians four verse nine paul said concerning brotherly love you have no need that i should write to you You yourselves are taught by god to love one another In first john 323 he said this is his commandment that we should believe on the name of his son jesus christ And love one another as he gave his commandment In first john 4 7 he said beloved let us love one another for love is of god and everyone who loves is born of god and knows god He says he who loves not knows not god for god is love That's clear evidence that you know the lord is is the The love of god and the love of and this is the way that it's known by the way the love for god and the love for his word It's one thing to say i love god But to love god is to love his commandments To love god is to love his word to love to love god is to be faithful to him and that's what he's saying here This isn't something new he said this is what we've had from the beginning that we love one another But then he defines it in verse six This is love that we walk according to his commandments. This is love and and that's how you know that you actually love In first john he said in chapter five verse three He said this is the love of god that we keep his commandments And his commandments are not burdensome. I mean when you get saved you don't say oh man. Oh, I can't do that anymore Oh man, I like getting drunk.  Oh man, you know you didn't do that They're not burdensome God's gods commandments Are not tedious they are not Heavy they are not things that grieve you God's commandments for the one who loves him are life Now as he's speaking about that And and again i'll say this the mark the mark of Having god's love in your life the mark of having god's love in your life Is obedience to his command And all we have to do if you want to do a soul check is Just ask yourself are god's commandments burdensome to you Are they things you don't want to do Are they No, I don't want to do that. I'd rather do this Now it's part of the maturing process. Let's face it.  Why did I do that? Well, because because I love the lord because I want to follow god That's why Now as he's speaking about that He says in verse seven many deceivers have gone out into the world Who do not confess jesus christ is coming in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist look to yourselves That we do not lose those things we work for but that we may receive a full reward Whoever transgresses and does not abide in the doctrine of christ does not have god He who abides in the doctrine of christ has both the father And the son and so he points out in verse seven many deceivers have gone out into the world and they do not Confess jesus is coming in the flesh So john is identifying the false teachers and he reveals that they are self sent missionaries These false teachers are now entering into the church and influencing the church You see as i've mentioned to you many times the primary sign of the last days is deception deception is Is the proclamation of a false doctrine and there are those who are receptive They're open to spiritual error And they are open to false teaching and what happens is when you forsake the word of god That leaves you open to the deception that the enemy can bring The bible teaches us that jesus gave what is called the great commission And when he gave the great commission He had said go and make disciples of all nations Baptizing them in the name of the father son and the holy spirit And he went on to say in teaching them to obey everything i have commanded you Surely i'm with you always to the very end of the age So he said make disciples and teach them to obey It's not just the going out it's going out with the attitude of making disciples and the way you make disciples Is by teaching them to obey all things that christ commanded That's why paul when paul was speaking To the aphesian elders could say that that he had not shunned to declare to them the entire council of god He taught them the age of the z and he said that's what my responsibility Is to do we're living in a day when when people are not really preaching the whole council of god But but paul when he was writing to timothy said preach the word he said convict and reproved He said that we're to exhort with all long suffering and teaching because the time will come When people will no longer endure healthy teaching, but will heap into the selves teachers having itching ears They will turn aside from the truth and they will be turned he said unto fables And that's the era that we're living in right now And so we need to teach what the bible has to say and we need to love one another enough to speak the truth and then finally And i say finally just to make you think i'm stopping i'm not Look to yourselves that we don't lose the things we worked for He has eternity in sight Do not allow these false teachers to influence the church He's saying we planted a church with the expectation to bring the whole congregation to maturity Don't allow false teachers to steal away the people in the body of christ And remember that the christian life results in reward And those who are deceived Will stand to lose reward He says in verse nine whoever transgresses and does not abide in the doctrine of christ doesn't have god A person who the word transgress means to run out of bounds a person who runs out of bounds or goes beyond Doesn't have a relationship with lord. They're revealing that they never even really knew him And then he says and this is one of those portions that people have asked questions about in the past verse 10 If anyone comes to you and does not bring this doctrine do not receive him into your house nor greet him Or he who greets him shares in his evil deeds now I've had people say does that mean that when somebody knocks on the door who's bringing a false doctrine That I shouldn't bring him into my house I've had people ask that that specific question You say a jojoba's witness or a Mormon or even a friend Who's not a christian who believes in something that you know is is You know some cultic way of thinking or whatever should I not have him in my house? That's not what he's saying You need to remember that during the time of the writing that the church was meeting the houses And when the church would meet in a house they called it house church when the church would meet in the house the pastor would have the responsibility to Make sure that any Teachers that entered in to give a study in the house Was in line with scripture It's the same to this day on occasion I will receive a request From somebody who wants to come and wants to speak here and they'll tell me how much they charge They'll send me a link so I can see their message and Very often those who are wanting to come would bring a bad doctrine I have the responsibility Of as a pastor not allowing that to take place I have the responsibility and I do the best that I can To to make sure that and we'll use the word vet that we vet these people So that when they come up, they don't bring some nonsense to you That I have to come up afterwards and say I am so sorry But what they just said is is wrong and these are the reasons why so He said don't allow somebody to come not just to your house But to take the pulpit in the church service these traveling evangelists who are coming into town Don't allow them in your pulpit Because in bringing them in and blessing them you're actually blessing their efforts And their efforts are undermining the gospel of jesus christ. This is a warning to pastors Don't allow them in the church Um Today people get upset if you name names. They say you're judging people to paul That was nonsense to paul That made no sense at all because He named names And read your bible and you'll see him speaking about some of these people and he uses her name He went so far in the book of galatians to even mention a confrontation to even mention a confrontation He had with the apostle peter Brought his name up. He said he was to be blamed And he told everybody why?  I won't listen to what you're saying I won't take it to the lord and say is that true? Is that what the word said? No I'll just be offended because i'm very thin skinned and everything's supposed to be done my way And if you say something that bothers me, i'll show you. I'll punish you. I just won't come back Unfortunately, they go off into their error remain in their error and they pay for it Because they're not in in god's word. My responsibility is to teach the truth even if people don't like to hear it That's just love. That's what love is And then finally having many things to write to you.  They are also giving their greetings And so listen and we'll close and have communion We're living in a day false teaching scraping in Because the church is resisting the truth resisting pible study resisting You know the uh systematic expository teaching of god's word Because the church is caught up right now with infotainment and worship attainment We want an exciting moment with god or else it's just not worth our effort It's much more open today for deception than ever before And calvary chapel began we began following the lead of our pastor chuck smith who taught the word We pastors who have remained faithful to that have seen churches grow And we've also seen them shrink and in this era right now There are people that are going to church But not being equipped for works of service. They're going to church But they're receiving bad teaching and I turn on every once in a while different programs to see what's going on And i'll tell my wife marie. I'll say it's interesting how entertaining this guy is And how energetic and You know, there's a lot of people they're listening to him Sometimes like thousands of people And i'll sit there as a teacher of the word and i'll listen And i'll say that's not what god's word says That's not what god word said That's not what paul meant by that and I I can only watch some of these programs 10 minutes And I have to turn them off Because I'll say that's not what paul was teaching and the people applaud it They cheer it because they think it's great when in fact, they're cheering the arsenic They're cheering the poison that they're consuming God helped the church to be aware that really is truth and may we embrace it


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Good morning, brilliant humans. Good afternoon or good evening, depending on your time zone. My name is Savannah Peterson and I'm here live with theCUBE. We are at KubeCon in Detroit, Michigan and joining me is my beautiful co-host Lisa. How you feeling afternoon of day three? Afternoon day three. We've had such great conversations. Day three has been fantastic. The momentum has just been going like this. I love it. Yes, you know, sometimes we feel a little low when we're at the end of a conference. Not today. Don't feel that way at all, which is very exciting. Just like the guests that we have up for you next. Kind of an unexpected player when we think about technology. However, since every company, one of the themes is every company is trying to be a software company, I love that we're talking to ING. Joining us today is Tice Ebers and Arno Vonk. Welcome to the show, gentlemen. Thank you very much. Glad to be here. Yes, it's wonderful. All the way in from Amsterdam, probably some of the farthest flying folks here for this adventure. Starting off, I got it. What's going on with the shirts, guys? You match very well. Tell everyone. Well, these are our VR code shirts. VR code is basically the player for a company to get people interested as an IT person in banking. Basically people don't think banking is a good place to work as an IT professional. But actually it is. And we are using the VR code grants with these nice logos to get attention. I love that. So actually, let's just talk about that for a second. Why is it such an exciting role to be working in technology at a company like ING or a traditional bank? ING is a challenging environment. But how do you make an engineer happy? Basically, give them a problem to solve. So we have lots and lots of problems to solve. So that makes it challenging. But yeah, also rewarding. And you can say a lot of things about banks. But looking at the IT perspective, we are doing amazing things in ING. And that's what we talked about. Can you tell us any of those amazing things? Are they secrets? That's what we talked about last Tuesday at the Opusheff Conference Conference. So we had two presentations. I presented with my co-host Sandeep on our journey over the last three years. So what does ING do? Basically building a secure container hosting platform. How do you live a bank with security, with cloud-native technology. And Arno Vunk, together with our co-host Jan Willem, presented, actually showed it by demo-making, live in person. So we were not just presenting all- It's not all-smoking mirrors. It's not smoking mirrors. We're not presenting a virtual marketing blob. No, we're actually doing it today. And that's what we wanted to share here. Well, as consumers, we expect we can access our banking on any device, 24 by seven. I want to be able to do all my transactions in a way that I know is secure. Obviously, security is a huge thing there. But talk about, ING Bank Arno has been around for a very long time. Talk about this financial institution as a software company, really. Obviously, a lot of challenges and a lot of opportunity. But talk about what it's like working for a history bank that's really now a tech company. Yes, we're really changing as a bank to a tech company. We have a lot of developers and operators. And we deliver, we run on-prem, we run in the public. So we have a huge engineers and people around it to make our software. Yes. And I am responsible for the ING Container and we deliver that in the namespace as a service and as a real, real secure environment. So our developers, all our developers in ING can request it, but they only get a namespace. That's very important. They get resources and that sort of things. And they cannot access it. They can only access it by one pipeline. So Lisa and I were chatting before we brought you up here. Namespace as a service, this is a newer term for us, educate us. What does that mean? Basically it means we don't give a full cluster to our consumers. They only give them basically CPU memory networking. That's all they need to host the application. Everything else we abstract away and especially in a banking context where compliance is a big thing, you don't need to do compliance for entire Kubernetes cluster as a developer. Which really saves development time for the colleagues in the bank. Decreases the complexity of projects which is a huge theme here, especially at scale. I can imagine, I mean, my gosh, you're serving so many different people. It probably saves you time. Let's talk about regulation. What, how challenging is that for you as technologists to balance in all the regulations around banking and infant tech? It's not like some of these kind of wild, wild West industries where we can just go out and play and prototype and do whatever we want. There's a lot of rules. There's a lot of rules and the problem is you have legislation and you have the real world. Right. And you have to find something. They're not the same thing? You have to find something in between with both parties on the stands and cannot adhere to. So the challenge we had, basically, we had to write our own container security standards to prove that the things we were doing were the right things to be in control as a bank. Because there was no market standard for container security. So basically, we put some input from NIST. So NIST did a lot of good work basically added some things on top to be valid for a bank in Europe. So yeah, that's what we did. And the nice thing is today, we take all the boxes we defined back in 2019. Hey, so you, I guess the rules are a little bit easier when you get to help define them. Yeah. Yeah, it feels like a very good strategic call. At least then they make sense. Yeah, yeah. Because the hardest problem is try to be compliant for something that doesn't make sense. Right, right. Arne, talk about, let's double click on namespace as a service. You talked about what that is, but give us a little bit of information on why ING really believes this is the right approach for this company. It's protect what is for the security that developers doing things they don't do. Yeah, they cannot access their stuff anymore when it is running in production. And that is the most, most important. That is immutable running in our platform. Excellent, talk about, both of you, how long have you both been at ING for a long time? I've been with ING since September 2001, so that's more than 20 years now. Long time, Arne, what about you? I'm before 2000 already. Before, so both of you comment on this a long time. Yeah. Talk about the culture of innovation that's at ING to be able to move at such speed and be groundbreaking in what you're, how are you using technology? What's the appetite like at the bank to embrace new and emerging technologies? So we're really looking, basically, the mantra of the bank is to help our customers get a step ahead in life and in business. And we do that by one, superior customer service and secondly, sustainability at the heart. So anything which contributes to those targets, you can go to your manager and if you can make good case why it contributes, most of the cases you get some time or some budgets or even some additional colleagues to help you out and give it a try. We're quite, from a culture perspective, we're quite open to trying things out before we reach production. Once you go to production, yeah, then we're back to being a bank and you need to take all the boxes to make really sure that we are confident with our customers' data and basically, we're still a bank. But a lot of it is possible. A lot of it is possible and of course there's the customer on the other end who's expecting, like I said earlier, that they can access their data anytime that they want, be able to do any transaction they want, making sure the content that's delivered to them is relevant, that it's secure obviously, that's the biggest challenge, especially as we think about how many generations are alive today and those that aren't tech-savvy have challenges with that. Talk about what the bank's dedication is to ensuring from a security perspective that its customers don't have anything to worry about. That's always a thin line between security and the user experience. So, ING, like every other bank, needs to make choices. Do we want it really easy for customers and take the risk that somebody abuses it? Or do we make it really, really secure and alienate part of our customer base? And that's an ongoing debate. That's a hard one. That's a trade-off. Yeah. So it's really hard. Interesting part is, in Netherlands, we had some debate about banks closing down locations. But the moment we introduced our mobile app on iPad, basically the debate became a lot quieter because a lot of elderly people couldn't work with an iPhone. It turned out they were perfectly fine with a well-designed iPad app to do their banking. Really? Okay. But that's already learning from like 15 years ago. What was the product roadmap on that? So, I mean, I can imagine you release a mobile app, you're not really thinking that... Basically, I think that was a happy coincidence. We just went out to design a very good mobile app. And then looking all afterwards at the statistics, you say, hey, who's using this? Hey, we've got somebody who's signing on and I don't know the exact age, but it was something like somebody of 90 plus who signed on to use that mobile app. Wow. Wow. I mean, you really are the five different generations living and working right now. Designing technology, everybody has to go to the bank whether we are fans of our bank or not. Although now I'm thinking about ING as a bank in general, we all have a very good attitude about it. What has kept you at the company for over 20 years? That is, we see people move around, especially in the technology industry, every two to three years sometimes, obviously you're in positions of leadership, they're obviously taking good care of you, but I mean, multiple decades, why have you stuck? Well, first I didn't have the same job in ING for two decades. Nice, yeah. So I went around to the infrastructure domain, I did storage initially, I did security, I did solution design, and in the end, I ended up in enterprise architecture. So yeah, it's not like I stuck 20 years in the same role. So every so many years I...  Explore, yeah. So basically, I think that's what everybody should be thinking these days. If you're in the cloud native industry, if you're good at it, you can come on quite a nice salary. But that also means that you have some kind of obligation to society to make a difference. And I think... Yeah, I wouldn't say that everybody feels that way. I'd like to make a difference with ING. A difference for being more available to our consumers, be more secure to our consumers. And I think that's what's driving me to stick with the company. What about you, Arnaud? Yes, for me it's very important that every two, three years I'm doing new things. I can work with the latest technology. So it becomes really, really innovative. So that is the place to be. Yeah, you sort of get that rotation every two to three years with the different tools that you're using. Speaking of, we're here, we're at KubeCon, we're talking cloud native, we're talking Kubernetes. Do you think it's possible to, I'm coming back to the regulations, do you think it's possible to get to banking grade security with cloud native tech? Initially I said we would be at least as secure as institutional IT. But last Tuesday we've proven we can get more secure than institutional IT. So yeah, definitely, yes. Awesome, I mean, sounds like you've proved it to yourself too, which is really saying something. Well, we actually have pandemic results and of course I cannot divulge those, but they were pretty good. Can you define, I want to kind of double-click on banking grade security. Define what that is, banking grade security and how could other industries aim to hit that level? What is that standard? I want security everywhere I go, especially in my bank. The architecture is zero privilege. So you hear a lot about lease privilege in all the security talks. That's not what you should be aiming for. Zero privilege is what you should be aiming for. And once you're at the zero privilege environment, okay, who can leak data? No natural person has access to it. Even if you have somebody invading your infrastructure, there are no privileges, they cannot do privilege escalations. Yeah. So the answer for me is very clear. If you are handling customer data, if you're handling customer funds, aim for zero privilege architecture. What are you most excited about next? What's next for you guys? What's next for ING? What are we going to be talking about when we're chatting to you right here at KubeCon next year? Or in Amsterdam actually, since we're headed that way in the spring. Which is fun. Happy to be your host in Amsterdam. So the other way around. We're holding you to that. You've talked about how fun the culture is. Now you're going to have show Lisa and I. But we need the t-shirts. We obviously need a matching outfit. We'll arrange some t-shirts for you as well. Yeah. No, for me to highlight from this KubeCon, the first one was KCP. That can potentially be a paradigm change on how we deal with workloads on Kubernetes. So that's very interesting. I don't know if you see any implementations by next year. That's definitely something we'll track. We had them on the show as well. So it's very fun. I'm sure they'll be very flattered that you just said that. What about you Arno? Has that got you most excited? The most important thing we was talking to a lot of Asian is other people, what is they thinking, how we go forward. So the community and talk to each other and also with vendors and people, how we go forward. Yeah, that's been a big theme for us here on the Kube and just the energy, the morale. I mean, the open source community is so collaborative. It creates an entirely different ethos. Arno, Tyce, thank you so much for being here. It's wonderful to have you and hear what ING is doing in the technology space. Lisa, always a pleasure to co-host with you. Of course. And thank you, KubeVans, for hanging out with us here on day three of KubeCon, live from Detroit, Michigan. My name is Savannah Peterson and we'll see you up next for a great chat coming soon.


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Hello and welcome to another preview show here at a very sunny Vitality Stadium. We've had a two-week break but myself and matchday commentator Chris Temple will be going through all things AFC Bournemouth in the next half an hour or so. Let's take a look at what's coming up. We'll be looking back at that 2-2 draw against Newcastle here at Vitality Stadium. We'll be discussing all of our internationals and where they've been playing over the last week. And finally we'll be looking ahead to tomorrow's game against Leicester at the King Power Stadium. But first let's start back at that 2-2 draw against Newcastle here at Vitality Stadium. Let's remind ourselves of the short highlights. He's down and Solomon Ronddon curls on over the top of the cherries. Delivers across towards the 6 yard area. Ake is waiting. He's gone down under the challenge there from Fernandez. And Mike Dean points to the spot. Bournemouth have a penalty. High fives for Nathan Ake from Jefferson Lerner and Callum Wilson from the penalty spot. King sends the bracket the wrong way, gets the Vitality Stadium up on their feet. They conceded late in the first half. They have levelled things up early in the second. It's Joshua King from the spot. It's born with one, Newcastle one. Now Joshua King could strive forward in the rain into the Newcastle half. Lays it off towards Wilson. He's just beaten to the ball by Fernandez. But then it's given away. Solanki is there. Thinks about pulling the trigger the first time. Hesitates. Lays it back towards Joshua King. Cherries in front from a goal down here at the Vitality Stadium. And that was brilliant. Patient play from Dom Solanki. Bought about the shot, decided against it. Layed it off to the onrushing King. He has a brace. It's Bournemouth two, Newcastle one. It's a Yedlin. Yedlin with a cross in towards the back post. Drops to Maricci. Who volleys the ball into the top corner. The roof of the net. Boris got a touch on it but it wasn't enough. And Bournemouth can't hold on for the three points. Newcastle scoring stoppage time at the end of the first half. And they score in stoppage time at the end of the second to level this game up in any how. Rolls his eyes and looks to the clouds. The away supporters are going nuts. It's Bournemouth two, Newcastle two. Last minute equaliser from Matt Ritchie there. Chris it was a game that was pretty similar to last year. A 2-2 score line but unfortunately Newcastle scoring at the death of the stones. Yeah I think Bournemouth would be pretty sick of seeing Newcastle this season. Cos obviously the performance up there and in the season wasn't very good and three crucial points weren't begging then and obviously here two weren't begging in the last few seconds. You know absolute corking goal by Matt Ritchie. We've seen him do it in a Bournemouth shirt and unfortunately this time it was in a Newcastle shirt. But yeah frustrating having come from behind to get yourself in front at home as well against a team below you in the table having just found a bit of momentum from the Huddersfield game as well when things looked like they clicked back into gear. So that was a real good opportunity to just keep that ball rolling really and heading into this last chunk of the season. So yeah really frustrating to see it slip away. Eddie was pretty honest afterwards. It wasn't the team's best performance of the season but again it's a cliche we've said it a number of times if you're not playing brilliantly but still putting yourself pretty much within the chance of victory then it's not all bad but as it turned out it was two points slipping away right at the end. It looked like it could be another comeback obviously being 1-0 down then going 2-1 up we've seen it so many times before. Yeah exactly and going 1-0 down at home we've seen teams fold in the past and we've seen Bournemouth fold in the past not in the recent history. We were tagged for a while unfortunately it was Newcastle doing the comeback if you like but yeah ultimately there was a lot of players who were coming back into form all of a sudden we'll talk about internationalism in a minute but the front players are all scoring and contributing which is building well for the rest of the season now so yeah I guess the positive was they did come back from behind and put themselves in with a chance of getting three but ultimately yeah Mr Richie. And Joshua King another two goals for him of course he scored two on international duty as well he's in great form isn't he? Yeah he's flying at the moment and that you know really really important as well with Callan Wilson having been out of the team for a while and only just coming back and obviously finding his way back you know with those three goals in successive games scoring Huddersfield as well Joshua King as you say is becoming Norway's key player really he's you know scoring both of their internationals so I think when you've got Ryan Fraser and obviously David Brooks you know both of the wing guys are contributing goals and assists as well both scoring I'm hoping that's that's sort of a real positive leading into this last section of the season. And of course as you said it could have been three points but another point on the board against Newcastle team that let's not forget we're in very good form going into the game. Yeah I mean that shouldn't be forgotten Newcastle have sort of turned it around they've had a difficult season and they seem to have had a couple of difficult season sort of back to back really I guess the frustration is that Bournemouth could be sitting there now on 40 points and probably should be sat on 40 points which is sort of that notional mark that everybody absolutely turns off the and also you know puts you a lot closer to that seventh place than it does now I mean seventh is looking at all order now to be honest with you I know it's you know mathematically it's possible I think Eddie said this morning to me that they would have to go on a really good run and hope that other teams above them start to stumble to finish seventh but there are you know there are many other things still on the radar including one we've been talking about for three or four weeks now which is the best of a points tally nine points needed from 21 to get there so yeah regrettable that the team aren't a couple of points further up the ladder if you like it's a very American term ladder sorry but yeah it's all in all a points better than them and as you say it's worth mentioning obviously there was a two week break going into you know after the Newcastle game and it important not to lose going into that and confidence can still be there yeah I think if anything the two week breaks probably helps in terms of like shaking off that Newcastle result as well because everyone's been here there and everywhere obviously the team you know have been a way to do by before that as well so it's been a sort of a bitty two or three weeks really so I guess it's not as if they've been sat over the international break for two weeks stewing on the Newcastle result of course a few players are going to have been around and are going to have been sort of disappointed by it but I think we've learnt this group seem to move on pretty quickly so yeah if anything the international break with everybody disappearing off to all corners you know probably helped to get over that I think well after that Newcastle game the squad headed off to do by let's take a little look at what they got up to well that was the team heading out to Dubai to do some warm weather training Chris we've seen them do it before and traditionally it's seen them have a really strong end to the season coming back from this Dubai break haven't they so hope it works again then in that case yeah I mean it's good for the players who haven't gone away on international duty you know quite a small select group these days because there are so many who do go away so it's important I guess you know at this stage of the season when you've been training since what July when they came out of a pre-season I think a change of scenery is useful you know whether it's worth the money or not we'll find out as you say over the next couple of months or so and I know fans have mixed views about it but I think you know if you saw the players coming in every single day to the same training ground you do need to freshen up particularly the international players always have a little trip away and a little fresh challenge to I guess to aim for so for the players who aren't involved in international I think it's important and also they get some hard work done as well you know it's different conditions you know just a little bit of a fitness burst and they'll be managing it as well because it has been a long season so although they can sort of sharpen up for this last run they don't want to be slogging them into the ground because players are they will be starting to feel the season by this point of the campaign as well so you know from the pictures we just saw it looks like it was a profitable trip unfortunately you and I didn't get invited maybe next year and of course we saw Lewis Cook and Simon Francis players that have had long term injuries out there working hard for them that must have been really nice to have that change of scenery although I think they've been sort of out and doing different things in different places already but yeah just to be back around the squad and feeling part of it again I know they're here every day but you know they're often training on their own in the gym thing so yeah it looked really good to see them back and sort of stepping things up to Lewis Cook who I know is sort of tweeted this week or posted on Instagram how good it was to be taking big steps forward now and of course it's going to be a long summer for those guys because they're continuing to rehabilitate whereas other players will be literally on the beach I'm sure so mentally it will be important they do get a break as well but the work won't stop for those guys and even the likes of Junior Stanislaus, Adam Smith let's not forget you know I think Adam Smith is probably a little bit ahead of schedule now coming back from his problems so hopefully we'll see him in the next couple of weeks and Junior Stanislaus you know we know his problems in the past so it would be good to see him back in the next couple of weeks hopefully as well and for those who didn't go to Dubai they're obviously off on international duty and it's been quite a good international break for our players obviously we've talked about Joshua King scoring two goals and Callum Wilson became the first Cherry's player to get a competitive appearance for England as well. Yeah becoming the most capped Cherry's player with two for England in a senior international it was really good for him to get off the bench as well because obviously the way the games went you thought he might get off the bench in the first game but you know it was good in the second one to get some minutes I mean when you look at the list of international actually there was a couple of key ones to point out I mean David Brooks we've got a nod towards him winning the Wales senior and young player of the year at the same time we think in case people are wondering if he's not been noticed he's been noticed Ryan Fraser was you know he's come in for a bit of stick actually and the manager in his press conference today was you know and actually in his interview with me was very quick to defend Ryan Fraser and say it wasn't Ryan Fraser's decision not to play against Kazakhstan for those who weren't aware of that he chose not to play at Kazakhstan because they have a plastic pitch basically and because of his injury record he sort of didn't make himself available for that game now Scotland of course lost the game which was probably the worst possible situation for Fraser all-round but anyhow I was keen to point out it was a collective decision that he didn't play worried about his injury record he also pointed out that if it was a training session with Bournemouth on a plastic pitch Ryan Fraser wouldn't take part which I think tells us all we need to know so obviously he played a part in the San Marino win a couple of others to mention Dom Selankey obviously here scoring captain in the under 21s which is great and he's had a bit of a stop-start season to his start to his Bournemouth career so I think that was important for him Mark Travers I should mention as well the bench for the Irish senior squad for the first time as we've said before highly rated here interesting summer coming up goalkeeping wise I think here so that would have been great for him to be in and around that squad they won as well he was shared a bench with Harry Arthur and Jefferson Lermer I think we should mention as well because he's actually played for Columbia for the first time since the World Cup last summer it's not been totally clear why he hasn't been involved I mean there's been no sort of no guess call from Eddie how to leave him out because of the travelling or anything to being in England or anything like that so he just didn't seem to be selected for whatever reason so he played in Japan in their friendly against Japan which was good for him as well I think he deserved that call-up as well so yeah a huge this Nathan Ackay was probably the only disappointment he didn't get off the bench for Holland but he's behind Van Dijk and deligged at the moment which is a real tough central defensive combination to get past and just going back to Ryan Fraser there obviously when he did play against Samarino we saw him get yet another assist so that will be perfect for his confidence coming back into the Premier League season yeah absolutely he's another one who he admitted himself after the Huddersfield game he had a bit of a lull in the season but the fflair players will have lulls you can't be at the top level every single week he's had a brilliant season absolutely fantastic and the one thing he wanted to point out to us after the game at Huddersfield was that his goals get overlooked a little bit everyone talks about his assist and you just mentioned it there for Scotland as well but he's been contributing goals for Scotland down for Bournemouth as well so I think that's been a key part of his game he did at Huddersfield of course as well so yeah I think he'll be keen to add a couple more goals to his tally ageing up possibly towards double figures maybe if I'm being a bit ambitious I don't know but yeah I think he was harshly treated by the Scottish fans to be honest you probably only know half the story and maybe when they read Eddie Howe's comments after today's press comments they'll probably hopefully be slightly placated and just touching on Dominic Slanky again how much of a psychological boost can it be now that he's scored here at Vitality Stadium and it can hopefully kick him on for the rest of the season yeah another sort of milestone ticked off isn't it next thing to do is to score here in a Bournemouth shirt but I think you know there's that little bit extra expectation on you when you are the local player if you like you're doing all the pre-match interviews in the England camp I guess he's on the front of the programme he's probably on the posters as well trying to sell tickets so there is that little bit of expectation and particularly if somebody is quite new here as well he's not as if he's a local favourite yet so I think scoring was important it was nice to see him leading the team out he played well as well he had difficult first half Germany were obviously better in the first half but I think you know I think you are a man of the match as well so all in all it was a good night's work for him his problem now is that King and Wilson are playing so well that opportunities in the team for him are going to be few and far between I think between now and the end of the season absolutely well next up for the cherries the attention turns to Leicester City in the Premier League it's quite the afternoon here earlier in the season so let's remind ourselves of what happened well what an afternoon that was here at Vitality Stadium Chris they'll be hoping very much for a similar outcome tomorrow won't they? it was a scintillating performance for most of the game obviously I know Eddie's like with his standards he was disappointed to concede two at the end because it gave Leicester a slightly flattering gloss but I mean I did a piece on BBC Radio Leicester this week and they talk about that game as probably their worst performance of the season Bournemouth obviously played very well so yes more of that would be lovely Leicester have just turned a corner there haven't they unfortunately probably at the wrong time Brenda and Roger's coming in three wins out of four since replacing Claude Puell three points ahead of Bournemouth in the table at the moment so right in that little shake up for top half finishes possibly finishing 7th or 8th so from that point of view it's quite an important game if Leicester win this weekend then I would think Bournemouth will struggle to catch them this season but anything a draw or a win keeps them right within distance the thing I like about Leicester all of a sudden is that they've gone in the past down the foreign route a lot of foreign players have come in but actually look at the backbone of their team these days I know Harry Maguire suspended this weekend Maguire and Chillwell who are both in the England team Vardy of course would be in the England team probably but retired you think of the likes of Damari Grey who is linked here James Madison a number of Leicester players who all of a sudden have come through the backbone of their team so I guess you can draw comparisons with what Eddie's doing here with young British players and that's encouraging to see and I think that will connect Leicester fans sort of back with their team again they felt a bit disillusioned I think under Claude Puell which that locked down the road across the New Forest so Leicester will resonate with them but yeah Leicester are back in form at a bad time and the two teams Leicester and Bournemouth they've had kind of neck and neck seasons haven't they sometimes you know Leicester just ahead of Bournemouth Bournemouth just ahead of Leicester so it promises to be quite a tight game yeah and you think you know and let's not forget worth of mentioning what a difficult season Leicester have had off the pitch as well with the tragic news from a few months back so memorial service I think took place in Thailand this week so a few of their sort of club staff and people have been out to that as well so yeah it's been a difficult season for Leicester in a number of ways but yeah on the pitch I mean Claude Puell he was seventh in the table and still getting pelters from people so I sort of think back to Sean O'Driscoll here and I hope Sean's not watching this because people talk about your sort of your public PR persona and the one thing that Sean O'Driscoll I don't think ever managed to quite get across was sort of that PR public side to sort of get fans on side if you like so I think Claude Puell had the same sort of problems really in terms of you know he never is sort of public the side of him was never it never sounded that excited about much and the football sometimes was a bit bland I'm not saying Sean's football here was bland at all he played good football but yeah I think that came back to haunt Claude Puell so in Brenda Rogers they've got a guy who's probably quite relieved to come away from the goldfish bowl of Celtic had some success there great for him now another chance in the Premier League hopefully building back towards maybe getting another big job in the future and you mentioned earlier Harry Maguire's obviously going to be out of the game got sent off against Burnley just a couple of weeks ago how much of a boost for the cherries can that be you know they've already scored four against Leicester this season so let alone when they're without one of their top defenders yeah I mean he's been you know credit to him he stayed at Leicester this season I mean he over the summer after the World Cup he had could easily have moved on I think but you know Leicester said they wanted to keep him so he stayed and got his head down lasted four minutes against Burnley I think before getting sent off so you'd imagine that Wes Morgan will probably come in chances restricted but yeah so I guess in terms of losing your England centre back that's got to be a blow but Wes Morgan has proved himself to be a very good performer he's probably coming towards the end of his you know being a top level defender he's probably got a couple of years left but you know he's got a new deal I think at Leicester so he's a more than able replacement but yeah it's not ideal of course for Leicester to lose an England centre half and you mentioned the likes of Vardy Madison they've got some really good young talent in their team don't they I think Terry's fans would have loved to have seen him here he was here obviously the other night playing for England under 21s he's a frightening player when he gets going that is for sure Madison I think he's made a huge breakthrough this season right on the fringe of the England squad at the moment you know would be I think won't be far away at all from the coming months of being in that Vardy of course is up and down I think he's more up at the minute than down he seems to have been revitalised by life under Brendon Rogers so yeah attacking wise even if you think of people like Mark Albrighton who's been out of a team recently but he's been a great servant for a long time so yeah they've got a real good English hub of attacking players and quite a few that will give Bournemouth a few problems tomorrow and in terms of our team use positive signs after quite a tough few weeks with injuries dangles things have been training and junior Stanislaus has been training too Adam Smith let's not forget as well everybody from international seems to have come back fit which is good and as you say those guys junior Stanislaus they treat you with a little bit with kid gloves because we've seen what happens before he breaks down if he comes back too early so I think they just don't want to see him going into the summer injured basically so you know get someone like him absolutely right before he comes back Adam Smith looked like he was going to be struggling for a while but I think he is potentially maybe one or two weeks away which would be good Steve Cook as I said before I don't think we're going to see again this season and Dan Gosling obviously has had one or two little niggles this season as well which is seeing David Brooks playing in Centrum and Field a couple of times just short of other options but it's interesting to see how he goes tomorrow whether if Dan Gosling is fit and Andrew Serman is available whether David Brooks continues in that central role with other wide players available Jordan and I have obviously played last time out so yeah a couple of little interesting selection choices for Eddie absolutely well it's going to be a very exciting game indeed if you are going up to Leicester then we hope you have a safe journey but if not make sure you listen to Chris on live commentary on AFC TV thanks for joining us