Hello everybody welcome back to esoteric land of course my name is Bryce and I am here With literally what turned into be our fan favorite from our 30-day shadow work challenge that we just did And I don't even think I was we were just chatting before we started filming Morgan I don't even think you knew that I I didn't bother to tell you Yeah, no clue about this kind of fantastic though And I'm so excited too because honestly I've had this platform for about three years And once again guys, I apologize. I am right in the middle of Atlanta, Georgia And they are building high rises next door. So if you guys hear hammering and stuff, that's what's going on But um, no demons in the room with me. It's just construction But I or maybe there is who knows at this point Strange times we're living in so um I I literally I'm so excited because the three years I've had this platform I've only had one other person and that's my best friend who came on for a show who I met in India That's coming from the ashtanga lineage too So I'm super excited to be able to not only have someone who's a peer of mine a calling of mine Out there in the world teaching this very what I feel like is a very beautiful practice very sacred practice But also your your the topic we're going to talk about you're kind of coming from it through The same lens that I've you know come through the same type of lineage Which all of the old ancient practices from tai chi to martial arts They're literally all kind of pointing you in the same direction With just different kind of ways to do it But before we get into that guys before we get into that the the conversation at hand I do want to go ahead and share with you guys now most of you guys Are already following morgan more famously known as ashtanga nurse, but if you're not this is his awesome Uh, uh youtube page. He's got some great Not only does he have obviously awesomeness stuff or posture work stuff But he's got a lot of great just little snippets of video about the practice kind of off the mat Which is really what's important, right? Which we're going to get into and then obviously here his is his website for his business Which we're going to get into you do acupuncture. You're a nurse all that kind of stuff And so i'm going to put all these links down in the description box below guys So um, you can go and check him out as well. So morgan, let's get started You're over on the other side of the country in california. How are you doing today?  Um, my little guy Probably brought this home either from the airplane or from, you know, the petri dish known as preschool um, and so uh like i'm probably talking like a little couple of decibels higher at least in my head and like Ends ends are really difficult to like enunciate, you know, when you have like congestion going on in your nose. So um You know trying to take a deep breath, but yeah, no, uh, otherwise. Yeah life is uh life is good. It's you know, been a It's 11 o'clock here. I think it's one o'clock two o'clock here. Yeah, and it's you know I mean like it's it's been a full day already at 11 o'clock and like Yeah, that's the ashtonga life though, even though today for us is a moonday But the ashtonga life by like 10 o'clock you're ready for lunch because you know Yeah, we did the moonday yesterday and so today is Back to practice Go Yes, yeah So yeah for I always laugh like I mean we're so boring. I mean we're we're I go to bed I mean might might I have a nephew who's 10 years old His bedtime is later than mine Yeah But that's actually something we're going to talk about in a minute It's about being a parent because a lot of our subscribers here and our viewers are parents and um And that definitely does I mean, I'm not a parent, but I I experienced this with my students. It does change Your life in a very big way And um, I was saying and we were talking in one episode I was kind of explaining between the you know the idea of a brahmin And a householder and like even though the brahmin um in india culturally brahmin has changed a lot Because now they do have families as well like our teacher charat joys as well as gruji Sabi joys had fam I had a family so they have family life too But in in retrospect to their life and their culture is very different in india and the way that is addressed And for us who are not brahmin even if you don't have a family you're still considered a householder Because you are not you are living kind of in the matrix You're not often in ashram in india. Just kind of You know, you you have a very different And then when you add kids into the mix, uh, there's a great video that you put up About Thanksgiving about the holidays. Oh, yeah And actually let's go ahead because I was going to ask you how you got into this But while we're on this subject, I'm going to go ahead and ask you a question that my friend emi who is also a um Uh was a sponsor of the 30 day challenge and she's a rakey Uh Practitioner and she's now gotten heavily into ashtanga as well.  She has six kids. Wow That's a serious. Yeah. Yeah girls fertile. Let's go though. She's fertile so but she wanted her question to you was How has your life changed?  What's the can you talk about that difference? I I can Talk about this difference. Um, yeah the biggest difference and I guess what's beautiful is I was practicing already so Single morgan practicing. It's you know, like it just encompasses me. That's all it was on the mat You know, I could do my practice as I wanted when I wanted how I wanted It looked like what I wanted it to look like Dating morgan It was different it was suddenly there's somebody else in this picture and you know, thank the heavens that my wife does not practice asana because I Kudos to those families who do and like both people practice and like understanding those times I think, you know, that's that in itself takes its own mix and its own toll on it in this case um My wife likes to stay up late and I like to well, I do go to bed early I like to go to bed early. I love the early morning time And so I would get the morning time because she would go to sleep late And she would sleep in while I'm up drinking coffee meditating practicing And reading and then, you know, she would gradually wake up This is on a weekend because weekdays. It's you know, a different story. We both go our separate ways and jobs but So it was it was a really sort of gentle transition in that way of like because I'm an introvert. I love quiet time. I love me time. I I need me time alone to sort of process everything and so That's that's where like if both people are practicing. They're both on the mat at the same time they're both in the same room at the same and it's like there's to me that would it would just I I pulled back into some Some place that I wouldn't like to go to and so this way it worked out great We both got our times alone to do what it is that we both Enjoyed doing alone on our own and having our alone time and then when we were together it was just stronger Because she likes to run. I have a history of running So we would go on runs together and then we would go rock climbing together and we would do all of these activities that just brought us closer together, but at that same point we both had our separate times and um You know yin and yang whatever however you want to like separate it. It's The duality of those both really really helpful. Now we throw a kid into the mix and the kid just He's like the Tasmanian devil and he's not a devil, but he's just like that that whirling Dervish of sorts of like just Spins and he gets up when he wants to and he goes to sleep Sort of when we make him go to sleep, but he you know, he Operates fully like single Morgan used to operate just on his own, you know, like this is what he would do and so so now there's this well, how do I practice and where What's the time frame that I get to practice and At one point I was waking up like India times like two thirty three o'clock in the morning just to Facilitate 30 minutes of practice before he would start, you know his day of what he was doing and then um, my wife Stephanie would wake up and it was just you know, like We were falling apart and I mean the first six months of any like newborn is just It's it's chaos. It's a happy chaos. It's a it's chaos. Um But the practice was still there and and to me it's become like a bedrock a foundation something absolutely necessary And so He's now two and his timing is a little bit more Organized I might want to say is a good word for it.  All right, buddy Let's go up and I'm sure that will change too as because yeah, your your child is so young right now It's and I and I've seen my sister my sister's three kids now and my friends have kids It's like you're in the hospital and they just hand you this baby and they're like, okay I'm fun and you're like wait.  I'm the walking mcdonald's like pull right up You know, it's and at that point it's not really your body anymore because it's being used for a life that you're responsible And so but there's something I've said this to emmy. It's like It's one thing if we're looking at because I talk about friction a lot And we see that and friction is necessary like why I talk about the match You know, if you have a match it has the matches everything it needs on it to light But it can't light itself unless there's the friction of the strike and if we're looking at you know, even though ashtanga yoga itself is And I always laugh I say we're all masochists to do ashtanga yoga because of the demands of the practice are unbelievable compared to other lineages And most of us are type AAA personalities, you know that that will do this and a lot of us do have like two hour practices For the bulk of our our which changes with children. You can't you don't have the two hours to devote or the energy That's the thing too. Um, but when we're looking at this idea of friction Yes, the physical fraction practice gives you that friction through the sweat through the tapas to create the different patternings But then we see in life There's also these opportunities to observe this friction too and even though childbirth and having children is a beautiful thing it's also friction And so there's this beautiful opportunity to grow spiritually In that as well and taking on a partner sharing your life with someone and it is difficult I will admit I I've stated multiple people on the ashtanga world It is it is a pain in the ass. You want to talk about arguments? You cannot your boyfriend or girlfriend cannot be your teacher They give you the best teacher in the world, but they adjust you you're going to argue with them 100% agree, yeah You know I even know in like the main show in india You've got if you got a husband and a wife or a couple that are both authorized That are going to assist chariot or one's going to assist while the other's practicing You can't go near your your partner chariot will not let you go near your partner To adjust them you have to be on the other side of the room And I respect that because it does there is a dynamic change when I used to go practice in the mornings at a strong yoga lana The students used to laugh that I needed a bell Because Todd would ignore me. I could literally be doing vinyasa flow and he would I would be kicked. I mean he would he would just because he would look at me. He'd be like i'm not your teacher I'd be like but I need help. So, you know, there is that that that kind of that um I and so that there is something very A blessing when your partner is not involved in the same Path you're involved in sorry that sounds really gross coming outside But um, you know, so I say that we had a lot of people asking about the challenge Well, my husband doesn't want to do this or my wife doesn't want to do this Well, first of all, everybody's spiritual path is very different Everybody's karma is very different and she do have to respect that but back to the whole family thing When you're bringing on these these energies into your life Even though you love them there is friction and friction is necessary. So in that retrospect I I often think people who have kids who you're almost taking on the harder practice at that time Yeah Much a lot of respect to anybody who already has the family and then goes and tries to start a new practice or to start any sort of thing because it's It's It's I guess what I want to stress to anybody who's you know starting out with all these things already is to Um Picture it as almost as if you it's a puppy, you know, like it's it's this puppy dog that you've picked up and um You you gotta be gentle with it You know at first you're carrying it down the street because it's this little puppy And it's not really walking yet and like figuring its own legs out and so Walk with it for a little bit and you know fall off come back and just you know play make it make it a game of sorts And then you know you can start to add in things go a little bit deeper You know, so maybe you're only practicing those 20 minutes like three times a week or twice a week And it's just you've carved out that bit of time Um And you know work your way up to something. It's like so a lady who's Interstation it takes nine months for this thing to develop inside of you. Um, and Within that nine months. There's so many things that are layered and changing and you know the the frequency that you have to go See your gynecologist and like all these like separate positions that come up and so um That's the same as like taking on a new practice So taking on an astaga practice or taking on a surfing practice Or if you decide to go running and that becomes like your practice um, it it needs to be a gradual process and not Something we're like I'm committing to six days a week two hour practice. It's it's not sustainable. It's not healthy um even like As an acupuncturist when i'm consulting with people and we're changing diets and like arranging things that are a bit more helpful to them I never say like stop what you're doing or you know stop this. I I always give them like These are foods that I want you to include this week within your diet And I don't care when you include it. Maybe once or twice, you know throughout the week But let's just put these three or four foods in your diet this week and let's see how that goes and so With the addition of that anytime you're adding something There's definitely going to be something that falls off and so that's where you gradually add up into um a full practice for anybody And it's so interesting you're talking about india times because that is When you're and I'll never forget My first trip to india my best friend and I were living together And we were like a couple months in and we got bumped up to the earliest slot And so you are getting up at like two o'clock in the morning your alarms going off And I'll never forget in those apartments in india have marble floors. So everything echoes Both of our alarms going off on our phones and I heard my my best friend from the other side of the apartment go This is bullshit And the whole time walking is pitch black dark outside you got the street dogs going crazy at night Some of the lights are working, you know to the shallow and the whole thing He's like this is bullshit this bullshit like the whole time getting and but but you look at that too and And I and you know and we come into the astanga So for those who don't know the astanga lineage is one of three remaining lineages Traditional lineages left next to our engarde and Sivanada yoga don't know much about Sivanada yoga I know a little bit about a engarde, but we do practice really early in the morning And that's because of brahma morta which goes back and it's the you're doing the vata time It's about an hour or so before the sun rises and there's very spiritual purposes behind this But I often think and I know I laugh and say I get up now in the morning at the time I was going to bed In my my after in college and when I was I after college I lived in los angeles too I was at the vibe room all the time But for me it's like at being able to take on A seer and I think you go through phases where you are Very strict and very and then you and then you ease up a little bit Right, you ease up a little bit But I always say I'm so glad I had those moments in my 20s to be able to be up all night partying because I would not appreciate that Now that I do get up between 330 and 4 now You know because it is such a you know There's so much more to life and I we I see this a lot in the ashtanga practice as well where people become so Dogmatic that they almost forget to live their life as well That the practice is supposed to fuel your life It's you're supposed to be experiencing your life And having children having a family is part of that We're not one time in conference in miami shirat made a joke about shirats are the palm guru He's our teacher in india now about how all of us were putting our pictures of our handstands on instagram And he was like you seen cirque du soleil. I've seen eight times. They do it better Like what you're a yoga student like what do you do? You know so you can do it, you know And um, but before we get to that because I do want to touch on that a little bit briefly. Morgan. How did you find ashtanga yoga? Okay, I moved to chicago in 2007 for nursing school. Um, I was living in colorado before that and in colorado. I was um No yoga. Uh, no asana. I my yoga was running. I would run Distance, um, I I would just lace up shoes and just run through the mountains. I lived in a tiny mountain town um Where it was easy to run, you know, like 5 10 miles on a single track trail out into the middle of nowhere You know in the snow, whatever like just like just doing it. Um Wasn't easy, but like, you know, it was it was that was my yoga Yeah, so I moved to chicago and it's a different type of cold than colorado cold and I grew up in miami. So I don't like cold Um, it's not my like. Whoo. Yay. This is snow. This is fantastic. No snow is like Atlanta georgia right here. It's 74 degrees outside. Yes. Yeah. Yeah, so I you know, I I gravitate towards heat. I like the heat. I like the ocean But I moved to chicago because it had large body of water had A city I didn't want to be in miami anymore. So I was, you know, happy to be Somewhere in a city big body of water Had every like all of these little check marks to it that I was looking for and So I would go, you know, crazy distance running along the lake or through the city after work and I met up with a friend from high school and she's like, oh, you should go hang out with my with my buddy matt He goes and practices yoga at this place. And I was like, cool I can't touch my toes. Let's go do this, you know And um, yeah, you know like super super stiff because you know, I would I would ride my bike to and from Work and to and from college and um So yeah, hamstrings are tight and then I would run after work or you know, however it would kind of balance out So yeah, I'd go to the you know, and sundays I would just go to this one yoga class that my friend was going to and It was a struggle. It was I was like, wow, this is this is cool stuff. Like I I'm finding that that sort of You get a runner's high at about like three or so miles into it and I was like, hey, you know I'm sort of finding the same runners high on six feet by two and a half feet, you know, uh distance and I didn't have to You know traverse outside in the cold and you know, put on stockings and hats and mittens and I was like this There's potential here for something and so sunday class became sunday and My day off was tuesday. So it was you know sundays and tuesday as I would go to this yoga class and Then it became like, oh, well, I could go to this wednesday night class too And so I would like skip around to these different So use a Todd bowman from chicago euphemism. It was like a chow chow flow class and so I went from one chow chow flow to the next chow chow flow and And then Just got involved in the yoga studio there and Kino from miami was coming up to do a workshop for a week there I was like, oh cool. This is some lady from miami and we went to like rival high schools and I gotta go check this out, you know and see what what she's offering and so she came and she Did this mysore class and the first mysore class I had you know, I had my little sheet of like, you know, these are the asanas and I Started to do some and I was like, I don't like this one. I'll do this one and you know skip to this one And it was yeah, it was like my my own chow chow flow There was no teacher and so here I am doing whatever it is that I wanted to do on these You know this cheat sheet. It was like a lino melee You know, I was like primary and intermediate. So I was like picking from primary and intermediate I was just like And like here's everybody else not everybody else, but they're you know, for the most part everybody is so structured and regimen And you know, and they're looking at me like What are you doing? You know, like don't do that.  Maybe that's your Dharma this time is to not face this alligator You don't have the tools within your belt and so you veer off 10 degrees, but you've changed your direction So now there's no alligator.   Let's let's put this into action and into practice and um Yeah, there there were some days that I was you know, like I lived above a bar in Chicago. So there were some mornings.  Okay Um roll them out up Done for the day. I you know, I did my challenge and so that was the gradual progression of how it started for me and that was 2008 um, and it just That that subtle 10 shift I I stopped running because I started to find what I needed On the mat and I realized, you know years later that it was the running Running is great. But for me, I was running No, I was running from something or or like running towards something and I wasn't Turning that back into myself. And so that's that's where the yoga asana started to shift practice for myself of like introspective and Changing the work that I was doing outside it really like You know came full circle for myself and so that was That was the beginning of that. I practiced all through nursing school um Which presented its own challenges because there were some you know, like I'd have to bike to a hospital to do Clinicles and we had to be there at like 6 30 in the morning and which meant leaving the house at 5 30 in the morning And in chicago snow, it was just you know, it's a mess um but When I finished nursing school, I like throughout nursing school.  I was able to pay off nursing school and I was able to um save money and I my reward my You know goal was to go to india and practice in my store for two months with charot and so um, that's what I did in 2000 and 2011 was my first year there. And so yeah, that just became that ritual Ask you what what what see you see, you know, you we see your graduate your your Graduation into lineage yoga and then all of a sudden you end up in india Which it's a was a goal for a lot of people in the estrangea world But a lot of people just don't ever some people don't have the desire to go to india and that's totally fine um, and that's in india itself is its own Friction its own teacher, especially coming from the western world You're thrown into a Talk about chaos, you know coming that that ride from bengalore to my sore is like I mean after you've been on that you've literally traveled across the world your jet lag af and you um and and the dry I mean, I still don't know how they I mean There's like no laws, but it works somehow I always laugh right now is so much nicer than it was back then That's what Todd says a lot when Todd was going to the 90s. He was like listen So I it's it's no I have a friend from england who um Our first trip to india. She was like I think she has ptsd because The drive there was an accident and there were bodies and the driver pulled over and said oh madam you come And so she got out and there's like a dead body right there, you know Just like it's entertainment, you know and um and just the honking them. It's very vata It's very bought you know There's a lot of noise the poverty level is unbelievably shocking when you're when you first enter into and you see people just sleeping on the streets and um I never forget when I first got to uh go kalam, which is the area of my sore where the shawla used to be now They've moved it to another area And someone said oh, this is like the Beverly Hills of of my sore and I was like no it's not this is gross Other parts of my so it's like yeah Totally the Beverly Hills. I mean my first trip there my bed totally had bed bugs, but like you go into the landlord They just look at you and you're like All right, this is my karma Is what it is um You know I I got a kidney infection my first trip to india and ended up in the hospital and I they put me on Narcotics like a painkiller I've told the store on my channel and I didn't know they had given me a narcotic because they didn't tell me And I thought that I'd reached enlightenment I was feeling so good and I just loved everyone until I got to sanskrit class and I was like I can't see the board the board is blurring. I was like. Oh my god. I'm high. I'm high right now You know, so that's just india. That's just the way it is Um, you know just and I miss it I'm I can't wait to go back because you do miss it when you've been away It's um, you do miss the the but that's it's a controlled chaos It's like it's and that's life right and and I love that that story you shared about about keynote I kind of want to tap on two with you You know, I kind of mentioned this in our emails back and forth and I know I've struggled as a as a woman I've struggled with body dysmorphia. I've struggled with we do see actually sadly You do see a lot of eating disorders in the ashtanga world You do see a lot of body dysmorphia in the ashtanga world That is one thing if you're not aware of this is being a problem The practice will exaggerate it, but the practice is that's what it's kind of doing. It's pointing things out to you So I just wanted to touch on the athleticism in ashtanga yoga Because and I've said this many times before on my channel, you know, when you watch a video of morgan practicing Or myself practicing or kino practicing you're you're watching Years in the making in that video and I was like you morgan my first time I ever did yoga I couldn't even touch my toes. I was a runner as well. I was in college and after I took my first class I thought it felt so good. I went to the video store. That's how old I am a bhs and the only Yoga teacher that I knew up and nothing about yoga was jerry hollow up from the spice girls. She had a yoga video So that's what I bought Jerry hollow up from the spice girls was my first yoga teacher So I ended up from there to then being you know in india But um, so that's a very you know, obviously we can laugh at those kind of things But I couldn't touch my toes either and now it's it's relatively easy to put my leg behind my head And that's but when you're seeing and I tell my students all the time in my viewers do not compare Your chapter one to somebody else's chapter 10 Because there's value in chapter two through chapter nine And just because you're seeing somebody's practice on a youtube channel doesn't You're missing all those chapters that happened before You know and so and and I and I tell my david greek out of philadelphia was my first like Original teacher before I started I would travel up to philly to practice with him And he used to say all the time and I loved it that the people who struggle in primary series Their karma came up early. They're the lucky ones And that is that's the difficulty of it takes years I mean i'm still learning from i'm still learning things from primary series still And so and and I wanted to express that I wanted to kind of focus on that for a bit When we're looking at these asanas in ashtanga yoga. No Morgan is not choreographing it. I'm not choreographing it We're taking it from a system that's been in place for a very long time With that being said there is some wiggle room that you can make with different students And I'm gonna that's a question. I'm gonna ask you in a minute actually But when you're looking at like the half primary series for some people that can take a while Because of whatever patterning is in their body and that's okay You know, I say david gree used to like he would have like the young 20 year old girls who are cheerleaders or gymnasts And he'd be like whatever next posture, but when a 60 year old man would walk in who was overweight And couldn't touch his toes. Oh, he got so excited because now we have something to work with There's the alligator.  That's not really where your practice is It's where it's where where you have to be real It's where where honesty comes up and that happens in the places where you struggle that happens In that and so I want to really express that with the students like Here you are hearing morgan say he had a hard time touching his toes I had a hard time touching my toes But the body changes the patterns change the friction gives you that opportunity to change and you're i'm so glad You talked about taking it slow because it's not it could you imagine going from living a Typical matrix life to all the sudden overnight waking up at two o'clock in the morning and doing My sore. Oh my god. You at your nervous system were going to go into shock You know And so I had a question from a student Now we have a student at ashtanga or a viewer not a student of your we have a student at ashtanga yoga at atlanta who has several paulsey And he will never finish primary series. There are things that his he just Has limitations And I always tell my students and my viewers that in my opinion This student at ashtanga yoga atlanta is the most advanced student there Yes, we have people practicing third series But he comes in that shala every morning and he's already got obstacle He already has his resistance and he comes and he gets on the mat and he focuses and He's got to be adjusted a lot. He needs a lot of help But instead of jumping back and jumping through because the jump back and the jump through which takes years to get By the way guys, I get a lot of questions about that that can take a while Don't think you're gonna learn it one week. I was gonna take a while But for for our student. I almost said his name. I'm not gonna say his name But for our student he does navasana Instead of jumping back and jumping through, you know, there are things you can do To meet so that so the practice can meet you where you are And so this brings me to a question from a viewer morgan. Would you consider Making a half primary series video with modifications for your channel I've considered it. I've considered making my uh A half primary Quarter primary. I have considered these These options of making a modifications video the reason I haven't and I Probably won't Is because the modifications are specific to a person just like the modifications to your student with cp Um It's it's modified specifically to them. And so When I work with so I teach only three days a week now and on Sundays I do a lead primary and I teach it in a different way than it's been taught To me, um And I focus on different aspects of it. Um Even differently than what I've queued in videos that I uploaded to youtube um Because my own practice the way I see it has changed and The reason I wouldn't go into making a video to Address these modifications are a there's too many modifications to ever address in one single video um Be it does a disservice to To the individual to get all of these modifications and then say like Well, which one is right for me? And that's where it comes into play of like being a teacher and having understood body types physical postures so When when I'm teaching students now one of the first things that I'm looking at when A new student comes in the room or like even you know, like an old student has come back into the room Or when I'm physically with like, you know, teaching a one-on-one private online um, the first thing that I look at is their pelvic tilt because that sort of determines what What aspects we need to work with within their body. Um, so But the first thing being most people It's hard to say like most but you know, I I'm not going to throw out figures But a lot of people have this anterior pelvic tilt. So it means that like back bends for them fairly Easy because their back is always in this, you know, displaced back bend. And so um for for those students I tend to Discourage back bends. I tend to discourage any upward facing dog puncher position In fact, I I have them keep their hips on the ground and only lift from the thoracic part and only tilt from here Like from, you know t12 up So that they're not exacerbating and creating more I hesitate to say dysfunction But it's it's in it's in a way They're creating more dysfunction if they have this anterior pelvic tilt and they keep doing back bends. So they're just reinforcing bad behavior.   And so and they're the person that I'm going to Work with different asanas to exaggerate or not an exaggerate but to help with this this This changing of the pelvis and so that's the kind of the first thing that I'm looking at with individuals And then, you know, we have to go into well, do they what's their range of motion with their shoulders? like do they have this, you know external rotation like I have a Patient who, uh, you know, he's a pitcher for for softball, right? Well softball's underhand, I don't know But he was a pitcher like back in high school and through college And so he has this great external rotation, but he has very little internal rotation and so We do movement specific to building up this internal rotation for him so that he can gain more movement and so we look at the asana practice as a way to develop functional range of motion So that they can go about and enjoy these other aspects of their lives You know five years ago when I Uploaded some of these videos are three. I don't know how many years ago But like when I started uploading these videos, I would just upload the videos and count out the chant as had been taught to me, but You know like like everything god, I hope it evolves and so like my teaching has evolved and so Now like the lead class that I teach on Sundays. I teach a lot of you know focus on leg internal rotation or external rotation or you know when you're when you're When you go around and you bind an artabharaparapashimatsanasana, right like you take the leg up into padmasana position You automatically like anteriorly pelvic tilt to get into this posture You come into a slight back bend in the in the lumbar region And so you know people are doing this and then suddenly they're reaching forward and they give out and they their hips go into this posterior pelvic tilt and it's like well Wait a minute that wasn't that wasn't what the structure of this was supposed to be You know, they're they're doing it to look like the magazine to look like instagram to look like what They've seen Versus if you keep this anterior pelvic tilt and you keep this lift of the chest through it Well, then you suddenly feel the activation of the quadricep muscle to Find tension on the hamstring muscle and you're like I could stay here and this is where I need to stay. I don't need this To look like this because that's not working Sometimes less is more And that's that that's the intelligence and that's kind of what happens. I too think too is like when you first start practicing You're so focused on the gross body of what? But then you you do develop a knowing of the inner of the subtle body of of the subtle And I love that you're talking about this because yes, and I keep telling my students or my viewers I tell my students too, but they already are my students. You really do need a teacher That's part of the parampara and yes, you know because we all have blind spots and You know and and we're looking at what what margaret's talking about this is the And that's actually going into another question somebody asked How has your education and nursing and acupuncture of informed your practice? But everything we talk a lot about on my channel about, you know Patanjalin and the sutras cause it, you know, the three superstars are property, purusha ishvara But our property is the nature. It's anything with a birth a life and a death That's changing purusha is the eternal Upman the soul whatever you want to call it. That's watching that's watching what's happening You know, we also can say that the bhakti is the body is the shakti. It's the expression of the soul So what he's talking about with all these atomical things going on is somebody's karma. It's their work It's their shakti and so these are really important things that you know And I and I hope people through the challenge kind of start to see it this way Just because your body is going in one direction instead of the other that's not a punishment It's just something that that's what david greek would say. That's your resistance. That's what you're working with And it is true.  We um, I can't get my heels down in it Our keely's heels we have western toilets. We are kids from a very My nieces and nephews when they were really little and diapers they would squat and play But now they're in school and so that's obviously changing the patterning of their bodies And so syrat our teacher in india if you are someone who's from the east He will make you get your heels down in that posture But if you're a white person as long as you're binding you're good because it's going to take a while for that pattern to break itself and um My best friend again who is uh from canada. He's of asian descent though, but he grew up in toronto And he was in the shallow and He was doing poshassan and syrat kept yelling at him to get his heels down And he stood up in the middle of the shallow and he looked at syrat and he goes i'm canadian It's true.  I was like, no, just don't even worry about it. I'm white on the inside I was like, no, no, no, don't even worry about it. But it was just the funny. He's like i'm canadian like my heels are not going to go down Uh, even though he's asian and his parents are from vietnam. He grew up in toronto Very different karmic circumstances from vietnam To toronto that are going to karmically affect you You know, I laugh about you know as far as I've told my students this so many times the temperature and in the shallow In india two temperatures windows open windows closed and they don't really make a big of a difference You know and the the condensation that falls off of the ceiling onto your mess. So gross is so gross So gross And I laugh because I have some friends who are like from norway like northern europe And i'm like the people from georgia In florida are fine in that heat practicing But you see those people from copenhagen and they're like sway, you know So this is all just karmic stop that affects us and informs the body and informs the nervous system It's it's just what you're working with and and I do Hope I express that for people watching especially if you're just now fine First of all, if you just now found the ashtanga system, I'm jealous because the beginning is the most magical You know, then you get a little jaded now. I'm just kidding But you know, don't don't expect your body To all the sudden just in a matter of a few weeks look like kino Or look like morgan or look like laruba or look like these big teachers Because that's not the point It's not the point you you're not you're not a circus lay performer as as charot would say and Circling back to what we're talking about in the beginning. This is about you your soul knowing itself And we use the body as a way It's almost like we use the property the thing that is going to expire one day As a way to test our attachment to that thing That is not eternal And so how willing are you to kind of surrender to your work? and you know Todd often says because you guys if you guys I mean Listen, I tell people all the time. I'm dead serious fourth series looks like a damn exorcism to me I have a really hard time watching people do It just it's so gross. I there's some postures where I'm like your body's not supposed to bend that way And you really really see it a lot in india But I tell people all the time, you know and and taut has said this like the reason why There are six different series in the ashanga system is so that every single person meets a challenge So if you have to get to fourth series or fifth series before you freaking feel something then that's That's kind of a shame The lucky ones are feeling things in primary series to do not judge yourself based on your athletic abilities in this practice That's not what this practice is for You know, you think about the days before instagram even existed I don't think people were as Actually, Todd tells a funny story that when he was practicing in the old and Lakshmi Purim I guess it's the old old shala now because they had moved again the old old The house that they lived in that there was a student that was in like fifth series or something and Grewed you would come and like have to put her in the pose, you know Literally put her and then he'd walk away and she would be like To Todd who was practicing beside her to push her over so she could actually get out of the pose You know like why why do you want I have a friend a good friend who did practice through fourth series Now she's a mom and so she's pulled back, but she said honestly, it's not sustainable To do that every day. And so I want people watching this to understand that there is Primary series is my favorite out of all the series. It is my favorite. It is the most grounding It is to me. It makes the most sense um It's it's just it's beautiful and in the fact that you can take You know a one posture. I mean, what Marie Chaucenady.  I had a complex I was like, I have gorilla Yes, you know if you have shorter arms and Pina was one has talked about that It's happy that's where you're working then to be able to extend out through that It's just your work. That's all it is and I I I know as a teacher myself. I don't It doesn't impress me as soon as practice is not what is not what's going to impress me as a teacher their dedication is their kindness Their integrity that's what's going to impress me not the fact that they I've seen how many people have you seen do Handstands Morgan like You know, it's it's not about that, you know I Isn't it isn't um I I mean, no, it's not about handstands and it's not about like looking like a particular thing. Um, but You know, I I feel like Yoga in itself is is being redefined. It's being it's it's being reshaped. It's being challenged. It's Uh, you know from like me too from cancel culture from all of it like it's all it's all Shifting and so, you know to like look at yoga. Are you looking at just the asana the physical aspect of it? um, or are you looking at, you know, like these other spiritual aspects of it and in a physical sense Well, then it does need some physicality to it to to challenge, you know, a physical body to to create that and Like science science will tell you, you know, like eight minutes a day is all you need, you know to like really Build up and give yourself, you know, like 10 extra years of life Just because it's so heart-healthy and you know for these different things and so yeah eight minutes of of a challenging work is They're finding in some aspects. It's better than, you know, doing these longer two hour practices They the australian ballet company. They've also found that they stopped stretching None of their dancers stretch They all build strength Okay. No, I I get this I actually get this. Yeah So so here's here and then becomes like this this asana balance of like, where do we where do we define asana? Is it the stretch to this posture or is it the the development of strength within the posture? And so the reason I challenge the the aspect of a handstand is I don't know of any other posture where I focus So much other than when I'm trying to pike up or trying to lift up into a handstand my eyes Are incredibly focused in that moment I know where my breath is at whether I've held in the breath whether I can exhale whether I can inhale And I I'm so focused on a physical aspect of the body when doing a handstand that in that Instance within that moment of it. I I feel like there is so much yoga Beyond asana happening. And so yes handstand That's handstand, but handstand in that sense of driving this focus of driving this idea of like Isn't that what you know, all of these Drishti's are trying to get you to That's why you are correct because I've said this before to my students If you're using asana For the purpose of asana as a tool for this discovery of self then it's the most important thing you do But if you're using asana to show off Then it's the least important thing you do So I get that I get what you're saying with that absolutely and it's so funny because that's something that um I have discovered along the way Even though this practice of ashtanga is demanding a lot of mobility in the body The strength is the most important part because that's what keeps the body safe as well So if we look at just the physicality of the body The strength is what's keeping the body safe Is what's keeping when we forward fold for example in the primary series. We're actively forward folding. We're not passively We're actively engaged. That's the bundes which has been connected to the pranayama to the breath You know you're with the handstand. I tell my students. I do use this a lot You know the inhales was lifting you up. You're not going to come into a handstand on exhale It's just not going to work, you know, so you start to learn so in that aspect absolutely Yes, you are right. It is it's the tool at that point It becomes the tool um to to to understand and know yourself So yes, it's um, but I just want our viewers to understand that it can take years To learn the full primary series It can take absolute years and you are not supposed to there is a purpose for why the The postures stack on top of each other. They do, you know, you usually have pose counter pose neutral Co pose counter pose like jhanu shashasana. Hey, that's the quarter primary series mark because that's a neutral pose It's bringing the body back to neutrality. Whereas the postures before I are kind of going back and forth You know, you look at wajidahasa potting kusthasana the first posture primary series where the leg is extended out I know our people watching don't know the Sanskrit where the leg is extended out the femur bones in a straight line It's almost like a nevasana, but you're standing up. It's like a variation of that fire But in the next posture, you're turning the femur bone because the foot is coming up into the hip Into a half pod masana you're turning the femur bone in the opposite direction And so there is a counter mobility that's happening there. And so there is this kind of recipe Now again with that and I like to you brought up with the modifications because there are literally I mean with each posture there are probably hundreds of modifications that can actually be taken And it does it is and most people Honestly, I think a lot of people don't even really need modifications. It's just they're looking for that a way out to make it easier instead of Being in the you know, it's like that the lutechia trigonassana Triangle lutechia trigonassana people want to block and it's like winds as You know, david greek who does use a lot of props in his practice He'll say but like when is the best time to give up the block then at that point? When do you put it away? You know when do you put it away and just allow yourself to kind of wobble a little bit? And I tell my students to you know for me as a teacher Beautiful practices are one thing but messy practices are where it's interesting because where where you're falling Where you're struggling that's where it's interesting. That's where there's information You know, it's it's um, but I know it's almost been an hour morgan So I want to ask you one last question. We've got even more questions here Okay, hoping you'll come you'll come back on for a second round Yeah, I I have until 12 30 so Okay, cool. So I I could definitely hit another half hour of questions Perfect. All right. Well, we had some some some we have an awesome A viewer that was like can I trade bodies with him for two decades? You don't want to Well, maybe body but like the the aspect I you know, yeah Well, I heard kinos say one don't ask an ashtangi to tell you all their injuries. They have a long list Don't we have a long list of things that are wrong? Um, and so but he had a good question Um for each I'm trying to uh, and this is actually one of our viewers It was from indian heritage and and um indian. So, um for each asana Do you consciously reset in your mind to to to ensure that you're in the moment within the body experiencing asana as it is Or like do you find do you have to yourself morgan as a student on that? Do you have to consciously? Because I know I'm bad about this if I'm in a part of my practice. That's like easy for me I'll be thinking about the laundry.   And if so, how do you do that? How does that work? Oh god, um, I I'd like to think ideally that that happens, but yeah on a day to day aspect of it I I think I'll focus on like two or three asanas and then the rest it's like It's like I'm a marionette, you know um Yeah, there's there's there's moments of of like clarity of focus. Um, I I feel like You know like okay, so you take the first couple postures in primary, right? Like Triangmucca where you have this like internal rotation in the legs and so I That one I'll try to focus on this internal rotation and I'll choose Day to day like so within that posture. I'm like, okay. Well, do I want to focus on my medial hamstring and keep this like Internal rotation and then like accentuate this this pelvic tilt or do I want to focus on like ql muscles in the back? and so I What I try to do is try to focus on one area because there's just way too many Different areas to focus on at any given moment And so like I'll take that asana and I'll try to focus on one thing and just one aspect of it Um But then I got distracted and you know, that's that's normal life It's the human it's it's the human experience. I don't know one person in this I mean, I'm sure charade even struggles with this where you're No, but I mean it does become almost like autopilot like I'm bad about this when I teach So when I teach my classes up in mariette, I teach one like class up in uh suburbs of Atlanta On sundays and because they don't have my sore Um, it's the only al shangha class. I do teach it differently where I will count But I will also workshop as well And give and give cues, but if I were to teach a lead primary down at al shangha yoga lana I would just count Because they've had my sore all week, you know, and um, so I I've admitted this When I teach lead classes even as a teacher and I'm just counting sitting on the stool counting sometimes I I don't even know where we are in the practice because I'm so on autopilot I've done it so many times that I'm literally thinking about Daydreaming about something else while I'm counting you through but in mariette, it's different because I'm workshopping But yeah, so even even teaching those guys because I mean Totally, you know, it's it's just it's like brushing your teeth at some point primary series becomes like brushing your teeth You know, even second series gets that way too or just becomes so repetitive But in that instance too, it's like That's where you know the practice shifts and change because you do have the propensity to kind of Not pay attention You know good sometimes in that sense of like you're just you're just in some flow You're just moving and some days god.  And you just skip it. You're like, okay, like move on I always laugh about that posture because so many people tend to do, you know You know for those who are not familiar we we we want to Practice udyana bunda and walla bunda by pulling the belly in in the practice But so many people get in that practice and they like push their belly out It's almost like the the texas thing the higher the hair the closer to god It's like in that practice the higher the belly the closer to god. I don't know but it just but yeah, it um, Absolutely, absolutely. Well, that's another question someone had, you know We talk a lot about how as I just said previously how You know the shakti so you have the shiva shakti you have the soul you have the art It's it's deeper than the soul It's really the ottman which is the eternal part of you that is literally just kind of watching you live your life as its Its own reality. You are your own Beverly Hills wives house wives early hills and you are your own reality show You're your own jersey sure your your purush is just kind of watching it happened But we know because the shakti is the expression of the soul the soul created this physical experience to live in this world That we have this nervous system We have these thoughts that create emotions and we have as an acupuncturist, which I love acupuncture by the way um, we do store Yoga chitta frittu nerota how we do store the chittam the vrittis coming from the mind stuff is stored within the body and so sometimes There can be a very real emotional response To a stretching of a muscle to the opposing forces or to some sort of Movement some sort of shape you put your body in How has that affected you with the acupuncture with your knowledge of like medical Stuff science stuff through the medical industry with the nursing. How do you see that all working together? Do you see like Do students who understand this concept? Do you see everything? I mean, we know we have an inherited karma too, but like this almost like this psychosomatic Thing that's happening in the body. Do you see that more? How do you see that as a acupuncture a yoga teacher a yoga student a nurse? There were a few questions in there. Could you find it? Maybe don't No, no, because like there's there's a lot and there's a lot to like digest with that but Yeah, for example. So again, I struggled deeply with backbending. I've had I had back surgery at 17 I know there's like a lot of emotional stuff happening there that I had to work through and it expressed itself in a Very raw and real moment when I literally punched the nicest person in ash tanya yoga You know coming out of just a physical movement So as an acupuncturist as a nurse who sees all sorts of physical Limitations and physical obstacles and now a yoga teacher and a yoga student How does that like inform you within your practice within doing acupuncture within working with students? And do you ever feel I guess what I could say too. Do you ever feel like you're seeing Something in a student in the mice or room and maybe you need to pull them back a little bit because it's opening up And there's maybe you could feel too much emotion too much trauma there to actually step into at this moment Does that does that make sense? 100% okay Let's let's sort of unpack this in a few different Situations one. There's a really good book and I think it's called like the body Keeps the score Something like that. Yeah so But but that's that's in this idea of like the brain only has this limited the brain Like if you look at a computer right like you have your your hard drive and then you have the ram Right and the ram is the like speed processing thing And that's what like allows us to do this video communication and everything else is like stored You know on this hard drive So like after this recording the file is going to be stored on the hard drive But the ram is what's like allowing us to do this right now The brain in a sense is this is this ram computer, right? Like it's it's running through all of this but if we want to store this moment We are going to store it somewhere along the like the meridian channels or into the Or into the nadis or into a musculoskeletal system and it's going to be stored somewhere because everything that is taken in through the five sense organs is processed Somewhere we there there are times when it just flows through and we let it go like Michael a singer will talk about this and the untethered soul of this idea of like Some some things we come through and we pass through and they hold nothing to us But then there are other things that like we that like come in and we like Have to hold it in and that becomes our karma our dharma of this lifetime and so um With with an acupuncture like if we understand like channel system theories, right there the the You know like one of the first systems to develop is like It's kind of I'm gonna do my best to like explain this in the most simple aspect of terms like even in in um Ayurvedic where you have like the the sushumna nadi and then you have the like ita and pingali and they like spin up around it well in in chinese Medicine theory you have the the chang which is sort of the same as the sushumna nadi which you know runs dead center And then you have the ren channel which runs up along the front And then you have the du which runs along the back And so you have these these two circular systems that like meet up through this this center pole And so one of the first to develop is Like when I looked at my little guy and you know, you do tummy time with a little, you know Couple week old kid And so he's lifting up his head and he's lifting up his neck and so there's a spot on the low back between um This lumbar two and three it's called du four in chinese medicine And so it's this it's this area which begins to send a spark to the little guy to you know start looking up And start to see past his horizon right? And so this is what starts to send this spark to like move beyond yourself at this moment And you start to like move beyond where you are And so that's what inspires him to then you know start to learn how to use his hands to start crawling across the room And this the spot this du four becomes this This spark of sense of like if you see something across the room if you see a cup of water across the room It's the spot of du four.  There's the the gallbladder channel, which um It's you know, the foot Shaoyan or foot Shaoyang channel And it kind of runs along the sides of the body and zigzags up across the head and back towards the ear um But that's sort of what gives us this ability to pivot right and so When when my little guy was walking he didn't have that ability to pivot At first, you know, it's just he gets up. He's a straight line, right? And you know a lot of estanga is it's it's very linear.  I don't trust people who don't like chocolate So um, so it's it's that ability to pivot that then comes into play as we get older Is this development of this gallbladder channel like the the foot Shaoyang But within that aspect when you start to see people in Later aspects of life that ability to pivot becomes less and less like I'll see it in my parents, right their ability to Uh Change with you know My dad he can still pick up my little guy, right? But he's not picking the guy up and twisting and turning with it or like picking him up from the side He has to be very mindful of like picking him up straight up. There's none of this pivot anymore So as we get older we start to lose this pivot And so we start to lose this ability to change both mentally and physically we we lose pivot And then You know we we get stopped almost in our tracks, right? Like you see people with a cane and they start to bend over and so then there's That ability of the back to like stand up straight and to have that Is then counterbalanced with this like oh, I'm hunched over and so you get this like contraction here Um as we get older and then and then you see people that are refined to sitting And so then they're in this, you know more of this state and then finally there's the resting state which You know like if you've done hospice or you've seen anybody in a hospital they're lying down And so then there's there's that state where they no longer have ability to pivot They no longer have the ability to get up. They no longer have this ability to rise Like it's it's all of these meridian systems They've they've gotten full They've become full through your lifetime of all the things that you're working through within this lifetime So it's just your karma or your dharma or like this is your your These are your some scars that they've they've loaded up through this body through this lifetime and so that's sort of this natural progression of we You know, we learn how to stand we learn how to pivot and then we stop learning how to pivot And then we start to regress down and then we are flat and then eventually is you know We no longer take this body and we take on a different form but so so yes the body the body has this magnificent way of of Processing and organizing everything that's coming at it. It's supposed to it's designed to Take these inputs and you know work with What it is and what we're trying to do with these asano practices of keeping this range of motion is to Allow those There's some scars or those those things that are holding on to Be processed through the body so that they don't Keep that So that you can keep your processing and functioning longer You can Take your karma a little while I wish I could take a sound bite of that because that was beautiful And I kept thinking about you know the difference between serename scar a and serename scar b and I've been Speaking a lot on my channel We go through a lot of the sofia codes and the half-bores and the egyptian alchemy as well Which is it's all they call it the jet what we call shishumna as the jet I've spoken about the two different nostrils and the chain of the masculine feminine energy And I know masculine and and guys we carry both energies both men and women and women carry both and masculine is always very linear Whereas feminine is very super cool and you see that when you're talking about the pivoting And I was just thinking about like serename scar a and serename scar b and the biggest difference between the two is that And b you're starting to get the rotation of the hip You know, but you have to have the a first the a comes first So like when you're but then it's interesting when you it's like that from cradle to grave, you know It comes it starts and then it it kind of comes back to where it starts again And that is the definition of property is that cycle of life and um and then being able to I mean richard freeman says that like A part of this practice is being able to accept your own mortality And that and when it comes to be able to let it go and just You know, shri swami sutritananda and his commentary on the sutra talks about that like the more you kind of lean into that The more you can like let it go when that day comes and not hold on um Something that's not that's not hold on a bull anyway. Like it's not you're not your body's designed to die Yeah, you're you're renting this flesh right now You know like so that the person who wanted this particular flesh is just rented, you know It's yeah, it's it's not mine. Anyway, so yeah, sure If you take it if we can figure out how to swap, you know, like I'm i'm less attached to this Form now than I once was but i'm in some instances more attached to it because I have this kid and i'm like, oh my god Your life preservation is a little bit Somebody else's wife has put on yours now for me is just it's my dog But my dog's a street dog from india so he could probably out survive me if he I mean, that's you look at the karma like these dogs in india I've brought six dogs back so far ravi is is mine, but I look at his hips You know we'll talk about like a lot of times back to the whole body and the karma thing like my dog's hips are so open Like he like lays an upavish to konasana, but those dogs for generations They have to i'm sure you've seen and morgan they dive into those Deep tunnels to hunt rats. They have to be able to like feel they have to be able to like You know get under things and and that's just their evolution. That's how they that's how they make well I'm going to ask you one last question. This is the question. I was going to end with this is a viewer request Um so many people around the world because we have people we had over 600 people I love that. I know we have another one coming up in january and you're going to be on that as well I hope you don't mind I do I love how you have so the 20 minute beginner video guys It was the sun salutations the fundamental sequence and that is a beautiful place to start and that is We keep students there for a while because there's just I mean even I just put up the sun salutations The sun salutations can be a complete practice in there and themselves. That's just everything you need is in the sun salutations, right? um In a lot of people around the world. Maybe we have people in new zealand australia um Africa europe doing your videos now and a lot of them have contacted me because they're trying to find teachers in their area We know that there's only a handful of us around the world and a lot of studios in shawla shut down because of depending on what country You're in how severe a lockdown was and they just can't find Anybody and so I have some people i'm zooming with and they wanted to know is it possible To zoom with you to book a lesson with you through zoom Absolutely. Yeah, um So my sunday class that I teach the lead primary full lead primary. It's 100 drop-in Donation come for free. It's just it's on zoom. I can give you the link later It's yeah 100 come No hesitation like, you know, it's it it's there for you And it's it's the full primary as As I teach it now The to to book a private like one-on-one consultation We can do like a 15 minute free consultation There's a link in uh on my website for acupuncture for it Where we're just Basically, we do some postural assessment and understand like well, you should probably avoid this or you should probably go ham on this one and like You know go go full tilt And that that's just a free consultation. I'm happy to like give that out But if we're doing further one-on-one consultations Yeah, they can also book that through the website and um book, you know, like A block of time. It's usually I it's blocked into hours of time and so um My schedule is usually up to date on it because it's all through my electronic medical records through the acupuncture clinic. So um, yeah And I've already I've already looked through your website. It's so easy to work guys I will put that obviously it's going to be in the description box and you'll send me the zoom link. What time is your sunday classes? So it's that uh sunday class. It's uh, it's eight am pacific time So pacific time guys. Yes. Um, uh for all of our viewers around the world So whatever eight am on california is for you to figure that out with the world clock Um, these times. All right, listen, I do shows with people in australia.  Yeah, it's easy to be up at three o'clock. Yeah But then by like the third month you're you're dragging already, but um, so guys, so thank you so much morgan I'm gonna I know I said tether and edwards everybody she wants to do some stuff with you as well I'm hoping you'll come back on the channel. Um, and continue helping people through We are coming into the age of aquaria. So it's very um very um Interesting, I'll just say are you to use a rom dos? I will talk about rom more. He's like interesting interesting that all this stuff is becoming more Um, I think our ancestors knew this I think, you know, especially with the energetic body and the meridians and all that kind of stuff I think and then we lost touch with that and now especially us in the western world now We're just we're just refinding it again. And it's a beautiful experience. It's a painful experience sometimes But it's it definitely makes life a little bit more It enriches your life in ways that um, I wouldn't I wouldn't I wouldn't trade this existence for the world being able to do this work because it getting to it for anybody watching Right now getting to know yourself is is a is a beautiful experience And um, there are things about yourself that will you will surprise yourself You are a lot stronger than you think you are and you are and nothing is permanent enough everything is as constantly changing So um, so thank you so much morgan I'm so happy you agreed to do this and you didn't like freak out. You're like, wait a minute. You've been using Oh, I'm like, I don't know if you know, but we've been using your links People all over the world now are practicing to your video. So so but I and I thank you for putting such calm well informed Information up on the internet for the world to see because that we need more people like that that are willing to share that And especially in such a calm manner for for all of the people around the world, especially during this time when so many people are isolated and so many people's lives have been just Turned upside down and carpet pulled out from underneath them and just to have that Out in the world, so I thank you for doing that So I know our our Our challengers our viewers will be very excited to see this video And so say yes to you guys all his links will be down. I'm going to put the books you mentioned I'm going to put links to those I wrote those down for you guys as well for those who are wanted to do more study I'll also put a link to the body keeps a score. That's a very heavy book. I've read that book. It's very heavy Be prepared If you are triggered easily, they're going to get into some very intense traumas so um Very real traumas. So just be very prepared if you are if you want to read that book So anyway, morgan, thank you so much and we'll talk to you soon