Ladies and gentlemen, Rex Bear leak project.  I've got expert in Anu Naki, ancient Sumerian tablets, author, also frequent guest on Coast to Coast, Matthew LaCroy with us, the illusion of us. It's really nice to speak with you, Matthew. Now, we were talking for a few minutes before the show, kind of putting things together. He is going to share with us 28 different slides that link to today's discussion about this suppressed history. Now, we're going to talk about giant cuneiform writing, the code of Hammurabi. A lot of stuff that's connected, folks, and what's fascinating is these creation tablets that I've been recently discussing here on the leak project and how Marduk kind of took the throne, the destruction of Tiamat, also these tablets that talk about the Anu Naki that aren't even linked to any translations by Zachariah Sitchin, completely different, and they're very difficult to get a hold of. Well, Matthew is going to kind of put things together for us in a very fluid fashion. We're going to discuss how all these timelines connect. We're also going to discuss this library that was destroyed that had more information than the library of Alexandria. What was the name of that one? The library of Ashurbanapal, and when we actually talk about Ashurbanapal, you'd be like, okay, that's who that is. It's interesting. Connecting all these is difficult to do because it hasn't really been done extensively by a lot of different documentaries and, you know, channels. And one thing I'd like to say also is I find it fascinating when I read through these tablets and these stories. I've read just about every story that's available by a translated Oxford University's website and the Sumerian tablets. I've read through a pantheon of other, I guess you could say, creation stories, the seven tablets of creation, Enuma, L.S., et cetera. And I'm finding that there's this underlying parallel of these battles in the heavens and whether or not there are planets that are linking to other planets. I think there's a lot of astro-theology, and I also feel that there's a lot of politics involved. So they like intermingle politics and astro-theology and battles and wars and information, and it's just fascinating. So I can't wait to hear how you're going to put this together. You've been on the show many times before. People always love your work, so do I. So let's rock and roll. Thanks a lot. Great. It's awesome to be here, Rex. I really appreciate having these really in-depth conversations with you. So I like to consider, you know, yourself and myself pretty well versed on a lot of these ancient sites.  You know, you learn about Babylon.  And you learn about the Assyrian Empire, but there's these other places that, as I kind of uncovered them somewhat recently, within the last six months, it was strange to me that I had never heard of them before. That was the first thing that struck me.  And it's, and nobody really talks about it, and it's not even translated. It's these very strange things I started to come across. And I was someone who's very well versed in the Anuma Elish and all of these different places. And as I was connecting Jirwan and Nineveh and Babylon, the whole thing started to kind of unfold. Connecting as in I wanted to put something together for Jirwan because I'd never even seen someone talk about it. So I wasn't even planning on talking about Nineveh and Babylon originally at all, but it kind of just happened. It was like the story was unfolding. And I like to think that the truth, it really wants to come out.  And it was like that story was unfolding and it really needs to be known. And this is the importance of why it needs to be known. Anyone who's read the Anuma Elish knows the importance and significance of what's in that. You know that Tablet 1 through 5 is this creationist story of what happened in our ancient solar system long ago. And then you get Tablet 6 and 7 that talk about the creation of mankind and the genetic altercation by the gods and all these very strange things. And yet, if we didn't have this library that we're going to talk about in Nineveh called the Library of Ashurbanipal, we would never even have these writings today at all. So we're going to go over the chance of why we even have those and how the whole story is connected back to the Sumerians and the Anunnaki. And it's a really amazing sequence of events that occur in the timeline of our history.   I don't know.  Well, that's the question. If you have writing all over Mesopotamia and even other places like in Bolivia, there's some strange writing on like the Fuentum Magna Bowl that's cuneiform, right? But the cuneiform writing everywhere that we find, no matter where it is in the world, most of Mesopotamia is all around the same size. Even in large temples, if you have cuneiform writing or wherever they are, it's all about the same size. And yet there's this one location, Jerwon, Iraq, you know, the center of all of this, where this writing of cuneiform writing is like 10 times bigger than anything else we've seen. And it of course has to dawn on you, right? That if you've studied anything about the ancient kings and the Anunnaki and the Nephilim and all these things, you know that there were very tall, like giants back then, basically you could call them, right? They were very tall beings. And the first thing that you would think of would be that's the size they would write, right? If they were going to write cuneiform writing, they wouldn't do tiny little, that they have to try to stencil in, it would be larger cuneiform writing. And I believe that Jerwon, maybe the reason why no one's heard of it, is that maybe the only place in the world where this giant cuneiform writing survived today. I'm not saying it's the only giant cuneiform writing, but I think most of it was probably destroyed. Getting rid of, how many questions would that bring up? The strange giant writing. So we're going to go through that whole thing and just try to kind of understand. And let me play devil's advocate for a minute and just also bring up another possibility. I mean, isn't it very possible that it could have been just regular size people writing larger on a structure. So it would be like a warning sign or it would be like, okay, look at the status of these guys. Now, with that being said, I've seen plenty of ancient cuneiform tablets and cave paintings, et cetera. And there's plenty of information that I feel there were absolutely giants without a shadow of a doubt. Giants that walked the earth. I mean, even a recent report, Farsight Institute, they were remote viewing these giants. But we're talking these giants that are like the size of buildings, like Godzilla status. Well, and not even, and I guess that's not even the direction. No, yeah, absolutely possible. And that's not even the direction I kind of wanted to go. I actually, when I saw this giant writing, of course, that's the first thing that dawned on me. But to me, it was, why have I never heard of it? And why is it not translated? Of course, maybe it was done by, you know, by larger people. But there's a lot of strange things that came up. And so that's what I originally wanted to research, was Geron. And as that unfolded, it led me to the Siege of Nineveh and the Ashurbanapal Library in Babylon, with the Code of Hammurabi, and then connected all the way back to the Numa Elish and the Sumerian King List. And before I knew it, it was like this web of the story that had gone through the Syrian Empire and kind of the rise and fall and what had occurred. So let's begin, Rex. Let's go into some of these really great slides. I want to kind of tie this to the time we're in right now. We're in this very unstable world where the Middle East is kind of the great conflict of our lifetimes, where places like Iraq and Syria have been targeted by what we perceive as this kind of internal civil war threat with terrorists that are kind of blossoming and then going to attack other places. But there's this whole underlying other side to it that a lot of people in our mainstream are talking about it, but not in regular society. And the idea is, why is there so much conflict in this area? And why have so many of these monuments and artifacts been destroyed by a terrorist group that it seems to be way too well-funded and has this organization to it that's beyond anything we've seen, like they're almost this remnant of the Roman armies where they would go through and just destroy and burn everything, right? It's like it's exactly the same mentality as that, but it's a very strange thing if you were a terrorist group to do that. And so that's why people started to look at the idea that when things like when we invaded Iraq and we had the Iraqi Museum raided and all the artifacts were stolen by soldiers and bandits and mercenaries and all these things, it was very convenient that all that stuff disappeared, some would say, right? Because it kind of conflicts with a lot of the things that we're told. And that's where we're going to go right now. We're going to go into those conflicting, the conflicting information, but give really good evidence to back it up so we can understand what really is the truth of our history and not just some fantastical imagination that someone may think someone's coming up with just because, you know, it sounds good to them, but we're going to follow the evidence and we're going to follow a timeline because we got to understand this before it's gone. I'm going to show a picture at the very end. This is the gates of Nineveh and it's no longer there anymore. Really important areas that tie into some of the most important writings that describe what really happened in the past and who the gods were and who we really are to came from these sites. So and then now they're all being destroyed. So I and most of them are having been fully uncovered. That's the other really interesting aspect. So let's go through kind of a chronological order. And I want to start with I want to start with a time period of around 700 to 1000 B.C. We're going to we're going to begin in the Assyrian Empire. And and this is, of course, one of the most famous empires in all of history. It's important to to kind of wrap your mind around this to get both maps and to kind of visualize it. So so let's do that. Try to imagine yourself, you know, back at 1000 B.C. And we're going to go to the to the site of Jerwon. As you can see, it's right below the mountains. OK, the Zagros Mountains kind of connecting all the way up into the Himalayas. And and just south of it is where all these these rivers essentially flow down into. And that's where ancient society began, right? Right along, you know, ancient Eridu with the Sumerians, right down along the Persian Gulf. And so we're going to follow that north and kind of piece together. Why so many so much of this is important, right? I talked to a lot of people with this and they're like, oh, you're just going to go through a history lesson of Borame. But when you actually understand these things and what happened and how it connects back to the gods, it's it's absolutely amazing. It really is. It's an incredible story. And most people know the city of Mosul, which is right in the center of where all the fighting is. But but that's also Mosul is where these ancient cities of Nineveh and Jerwon was. So Jerwon was is found just south of the of the Zagros Mountains. And it was kind of the lifeblood of this ancient city of Nineveh. And the story kind of begins with with Jerwon, Nineveh and Sinakrib. And Sinakrib was this ancient king of of Nineveh and the whole Syrian empire kind of revolved around his dominance of the region. And he had these incredible aqueducts that Jerwon created. And they were believed to be the first on Earth. And he had Nineveh built and there was all these incredible structures built about him. And at the same time, you look at his description and what he looks like. And we're going to go through Rex and I were talking about before looking at Oksher Bonapal, you know, these incredibly tall men with these sometimes tall on these skulls and and how they had direct lineage connections to the Sumerians. And it becomes very interesting to know what really actually happened here. So Sinakrib was the first king because they were going to discuss because he's the one who kind of set the stage. He made the Assyrian Empire to what it kind of started as as a great empire with Nineveh blossom. Now, I want to point out some of the dates that we have, I'm going to give during this, they may not be exactly right because a lot of the the dates that we've been given for timelines is is off.  And we've radiocarbon dated that to like 11,000 years old. And yet that throws off the entire timetable of what we're given for nomadic tribes and societies developing slowly. So the whole timetable has to be potentially shifted slightly, but we're going to kind of do the best we can and leave some wiggle room in there. And this is what Jarwan actually looked like. And of course, thousands of years ago when it was actually there was much, much larger. We've gone through significant erosion and maybe even disasters that have that have washed away and, you know, taken away much of what this great aqueduct was. But to understand the kind of how amazing it is, it was the first aqueduct on earth, right? Just happens to have this giant king of writing on it and then connect back to Nineveh. But it was it was the kind of lifeblood of the city of Nineveh. And it brought all the water to the city itself. And today you look at Mosul and where it's kind of the center where a lot of this these battles have been and you find out it's basically the exact same place of where Nineveh was, the ancient city of Nineveh. And that should be really interesting to a lot of people if you consider the fact that you can't even go to a place like that right now. It's you can't even get in. It's so dangerous that it's it's completely overrun still by, you know, kind of temporary governments and various things like that. And it was it was amazing to find out that that the famous Hanging Gardens of Babylon, it's always been talked about, was it was actually a mistake and kind of a misunderstanding and that the Hanging Gardens were actually in Nineveh. And that's why Dr. Juan was this incredible aqueduct that fed into it. And that's how it was able to support these Hanging Gardens because Babylon didn't have any kind of aqueduct system like that, not anywhere near as advanced. So you can already understand this city of Nineveh and kind of at the time was it was a city beyond anything on earth. And and that's where the kind of the entire Syrian empire story and the libraries that they gathered begins. Because because when Sinatra died and moved on, we started to see more and more instability to the south. And one of the neat things about these Syrians is they have a vast library and of basically showing us examples of their mightiness as an empire, extensive different things that were found when they excavated parts of the city. And they show massive armies with advanced weapons and horses. And it was the Syrian empire dominated the entire the largest area of the world at that time. And it was they showed these conquests and all of these different murals and descriptions. And it was it's amazing to learn and go back and kind of run through each of these battles and what they could. And we're of course can't go through all of them because there's too many. But we're going to focus on the siege of Nineveh and why that happened and what what that led to. So Nineveh, what an amazing place to research and uncover and learn about. This is just an artist's description of it based on what they people said when they were there. But Nineveh found where Mosul is today was considered by scholars and people that had actually visited to be like the most beautiful city in the entire world. And it was besides these really, really colorful, enormous buildings and temples. Of course, they had the Hain Gardens all over the place, which meant there would be flowers and and vines and things growing all over the walls everywhere where you'd be walking. And it was, you know, grapes and everything. And it was it was an incredible place. And and of course, jealousy started to arise further to the south from from Babylon. And that's where that's where the tension started to begin, because you have these two cities that that both want to dominate this empire and you have the tension between the two of them because because both of these cities had ancient bloodline kings that have been ruling the both. So and I want to go through some of those to see where they where they fit in. But basically Babylon, you could see, was found 300 miles to the south of Nineveh. So far enough that they weren't at least on their doorstep, but but close enough where they could be constantly fighting and having battles. And that happened constantly. They had skirmishes and they had small civil wars that would break out. But Nineveh would always triumph because it was it was a capital city of of the entire empire at the time. When you start researching Babylon and you learn about who who is kind of in control of Babylon, it's really interesting to learn that the God there who was kind of in charge of Babylon was known as Shemash. And this is what I want to really lay out to have people understand is that people have the Sumerians in their mind of where they belong. And then they have the Babylonians and then they have the Assyrians and then they move to places like the Hittites and then they move into the Romans and places like that. But we have to understand it all came from the same place. They're all just they're all they all descendants of the Sumerian kings. And that's why when we connect and learn about Babylon and who these gods of Babylon were, you see that always connects back to Sumer. So learning about Babylon, you learn that the God there was was known as Shemash. And if you just do a little search on Shemash, you find out that in Sumer, his name was Utu. It's like and every time that's what's amazing about about when you learn about these ancient history aspects is that is that all of these gods are always connected back to the Sumerians, the Greek gods, the Roman gods, you know, the Akkadian gods. These are the they're always connected back to the Sumerians. They just have different names and they always have the same traits, though. And then that's how I really want to try to so many people still think so much of it as a myth, the gods are a myth. And all of those things are just a myth. But they're all they're all based on something real. And and us thinking they're a myth, the longer that goes on, it'll be the longer we kind of stay in ignorance, right, Rex? Sure, sure. And let me jump in on that, because you're bringing up some some really good topics, and I'm looking at the live chat right now. We've got a pretty good sized audience, and it's just growing and growing and growing. A lot of times you come on the show, the podcast will get 50,000 views in just a week, sometimes even less. This this information when you brought up the gods, I am starting to really after reading all these tablets and stories and reading through ancient history, whether it be a translation of a treasure trove of hidden cuneiform tablets that were discovered, whether it is a, you know, a Gnostic text, whether it's something out of the Bible, the New Testament, the Old Testament, whether it's something out of morals and dogma or some type of ancient Masonic type information, Rosicrucian type information. I've noticed that there's these hermetics. I just read the seven principles of the hermetics that are linked to the Kabalian, and it seems like there's this underlying theme of the gods and what are the gods and the gods need us as much as we need them and are they planetary objects that can then manifest themselves into forms like we would see as a human or a superhuman? Because when I when I read through these creation stories, these tablets, I am I'm imagining, literally I'm visualizing these these wars in heaven that are either from just planetary bodies coming in because they get linked to the gravity of another planet or the sun or something like that. And it talks about Marduk kind of taking control because if you read through those tablets, right, it starts off that Marduk isn't the creator. And then at the end, Marduk created everything and has all the power and stuff like that and Marduk's linked to the sun. And then you've heard these stories about Venus being captured into the solar system and how it caused mass chaos. And then you get into the electronic universe, the electric universe theory. And then I'm starting to wonder when they describe these battles and these beings, are there wars going on in heaven and then somehow it manifests here in the physical plane on this earth as well, like as above, so below. Once again, linking these these hermetic principles. I mean, what are the gods, man?  Are they like Superman? Are they like Wonder Woman? Hello. Well, actually they are. Yeah, you think about it and Nana. That's those are great points, Rex. And who are the gods and what are these? What is heaven and what are these battles? It all just comes down to dimensions. That's all it's all it simply is. And they are simply advanced beings that are in a higher dimensions than us. And so we can't perceive higher dimensions because we're in we're in largely in the third dimension still. And that's why, but because the third dimension is what decides so much of reality. It's it's it's the stage at the next bit. I have the writing I'm doing for my next book is called The Stage of Time because it focuses on what why the third dimension is so important and how it is that it's the battlefield of of all, you know, of mortal life and of physical matter. That's what the third dimension is. But that physical fighting is what determines both of the what happens in the above dimensions and what happens below. So, but not to get out too far off track, Rex. You pointed out, you know, what are these gods? Are they planets? Are they what are they? Well, this image I have right here, we're talking about Babylon. Well, the God, the God of Babylon was Shemash. This is Shemash. And we also talked about how, well, were there giant beings back then with these Anarchy really real? Were they really that tall? Well, it shows a very interesting example of some of the workers that were there. And if some I know there are those people are out there going to say, well, if you research some of these ancient cultures that you find out, they actually use dwarfs at times and various things. So those could be dwarf people, but they really don't look like dwarf people. If you look at the proportions of them and not to mention. The descriptions of these gods and how they were tall. So this is Shemash, right?  So you just automatically connect right back to Sumer doesn't it takes one small little connection to realize to figure out that Shemash to learn who Shemash is and how he's moved to and then you learn he's a son of Marduk. So we're going to we're going to go into why that's that's important because of because of this rivalry between Nineveh and Babylon. Okay. One of the one of the really interesting things about Nineveh is is some of the gods that were represented there. We're going to go over that in a second. So let's let's let's go through Babylon for a minute. Now Babylon at the same time as Nineveh was actually larger than Nineveh was, but it was a little more like an urban sprawl and but it had over 200,000 people at the time. I imagine much larger than either they were actually even giving it credit for. I wouldn't be surprised if it had almost half a million people. So you have this massive city of Babylon built along the banks of the Euphrates River and that's and that's another thing to think about is that Babylon is on the Euphrates River right and Nineveh is on the Tigris River and so you have these two mighty rivers that don these massive empires and civilizations, but because they were part of the same empire, they started fighting and that's why so much was so much becomes lost and and that story of Babylon and how it connects back to to what we're about to go over is is with King Hammurabi. Now this is Hammurabi right here being given kind of kingship and information by Shamash.  So you start to blur the lines. You're like, wait a minute, though, I thought that was all just that wasn't real. You start to see that it is very real because look, that's Shamash on the right and he's talking to Hammurabi and we're going to go over what he said to him and and we're going to read a little bit excerpt from what's called the code of Hammurabi. So King Hammurabi came into power and you kind of took over Babylon and and he believed that he was the divine and rightful king of Mesopotamia because he he claims that he received these direct instructions from Shamash, who gave him these moral laws to follow in the form of visions and various things like that. And he had it written down in this massive uniform tablet, one of the largest in the world. And it's called the code of Hammurabi. And it's what's on it is very interesting because it talks about gods that that were in Sumer, you're right. It's like these are these here. They already have the Babylonians and the Syrians directly talking about the Sumerian gods. So what I'm going to what I'm going to do is I'm going to read just the beginning where it starts. And this this code of Hammurabi is seven and a half feet tall. You said you want to try to picture in your mind of how large it is and it has these this long list of moral moral laws to follow. Actually two hundred and eighty two that go through, you know, ways to create a better world type of thing. And this is how it this is how it starts that that basically Hammurabi says and in Hammurabi and he states in the very beginning, Anu and Belle called by me Hammurabi, the exalted prince who feared God to bring about the rule of righteousness to the land to destroy the wicked and the evil doers so that the strong should not harm the weak so that I should rule over the people like Shamash and enlighten the land to further the well-being of mankind. So it's it's really he directly mentions Anu right there and and Belle so and Shamash. So really quickly, let's break this down. Shamash is the god of Babylon. You find out he's the son of Marduk, right? Who in Shamash's name in Sumerian is Utu and his father was Marduk, who everyone knows very well, because it's one of the most powerful gods in Sumer. And at the same time, he also mentions Anu and Belle. Well, Belle is Marduk. That's simply just another that was the Babylonian name for Marduk. So there's there's a connection back to that. And at the same time, he mentions Anu, who, of course, is what the name Anunnaki comes from. He's the he's the head chief of the of the god, supposedly right of these of these beings. So he's basically saying that Anu and Marduk with rules given from Shamash made him ruler of Babylon. That's essentially what that breaks down to. And I find that really amazing because I don't think a lot of people really know that or or connect kind of how that how that fits in. Let's go to the next aspect of this. Because several thousand years ago in Babylon, basically what it took over by the it became taken over by the Hittites of Turkey. And it became kind of absorbed into that empire. And the Assyrian empire would would morph into the Hittite empire eventually. And that and the interesting about that is the Hittites would eventually become what we know of as the Romans. That area of Turkey would eventually become kind of the Roman empire. So it's always it's always connected back to some original place. So the Hittites took over and Babylon kind of became part of that empire and they had their sights set on conquering Ninevah because of all the things that were present there. And at the same time that Babylon was rising to the south getting influenced from the Hittites. We had this new king take over take over Ninevah named Ashurbanapal. Now this image Rex wanted to talk about this based on the description of the elongated head, but and they may not know that this is King Ashurbanapal. And who cares, right? Until you learn about what he did. And to me, the efforts that Ashurbanapal did are some of the most important in history from 668 to approximately 627 BC-ish. He transformed Ninevah to the most powerful of was at the time. And after he did that, he became obsessed with high intellectual knowledge basically. He wanted to learn as much as he could about what the ancients knew and not just conquer all the other places around him and continue to build his empire. And he decided to focus on a completely other aspect which was very interesting at the time. And he was actually and it was considered an intellectual high priest as well which is another reason maybe why he had interest in this area. So, but what he did was when they were kind of the Syrian empire was at its strongest and Ninevah was at the strongest. He put together an army of scholars and explorers and those who just who could help him out in this area. He traveled and sent off people in every direction to down towards Egypt and down all the way down towards Eridu, the original part of Eridu in Southern Iraq and over up towards Iran and all those areas.  That's what he tasked them to do. He wanted to create the largest library on earth. And that's what gets back to the fact that we've all most of us have heard of the library of Alexandria which is all written on paper and wooden documents and things like that. Whereas this library was almost completely composed of cuneiform writings. And it was a completely different aspect because they were finding basically oldest writings on earth. And he wanted to bring them together. Did he know that they were being destroyed and hunted down? I think he did. I think perhaps, I think perhaps Ashurbanapal was tasked with gathering these or wanted to at least gather them because he knew that they were being targeted. He gathers all these writings together. And shortly after he gathered them, he died, right? In 612 BC, he died and right after he died like the entire empire just literally started to crumble and fall apart. It was like this man, this intellectual leader was holding together the entire Assyrian empire. And right after he died, as you've seen in so many other things, the whole empire started to collapse and Babylon basically started marching north with the Chaldea and Medes people to immediately attack Nineveh and kind of take over and then make Babylon the center of the entire empire. And when I was researching this and I was looking into it, I found it very interesting that they chose that moment to go attack them. You know, seize the weakest moment, but also right after he had amassed the entire library. And we're gonna go into that, what happened with that as well. So in, right after he died, after 612 BC, we had this war breaking out and this library, this is what Ashurbanapal's library looked like or what it looked like after.   And so we have so many different murals and descriptions of these battles that occurred with the Assyrian Empire. And we have depictions of what the siege of Nineveh was like, but it was basically, it took more than a year to even capture the city. We don't even have records of how many people actually died. But what we do know is that as the Babylonians were riding north, they realized that they could not capture the city if they just tried to march in. It was one of the largest cities on earth at the time. It was an advanced city. They had some of the best military that the world has ever seen. So they got really smart. They realized that if they flooded the city, they could simply just ride in on boats and just take over the entire thing. Because remember, both of them were built on rivers. And Nineveh in that case was built on the Tiger's River. So they rode north and that's what they did. They simply dammed the river up and they flooded the entire city. But I'm looking at this image and I'm seeing this background with immense detail and it looks like people have been impaled like Vlad the Impaler did. If you look at the background of this, you've got these people looking out on these towers. You've got these people that are walking up to fight those on the towers. But then you've got these giants. And these dudes look huge in comparison. And wow, I just find it fascinating. I have not seen this tablet before. And how old do you think this thing is? So this is not actually the siege of Nineveh, but it's another siege of the Assyrian Empire. And it's, well, it's thousands of years old. We don't have an exact date because I do believe that a lot of the things are older than we've been given. But it basically is depicting the massive battles that they had in what transpired in them. And as you said, I'd never seen this before either. When I went to go through and actually research and really find all this stuff to see the kind of the monumental struggles that occurred and also what we're about to go into with the library.  Okay, well, thankfully, cuneiform writing, if anybody knows, can withstand fire. And it's places like the Library of Alexandria disappeared and we're never gonna see them ever again. And Plato talks about how it had information about Atlantis and all kinds of things like that. And we're never gonna know, well, these writings, because they were cuneiform, they can withstand a lot more, so they survived. And so in 1849, there was a British research team led by Austin Henry Laird that was exploring the area and they found this Royal Library of Ashurbanapal. And they brought back the 30,000 cuneiform tablets. Think about that Rex. Think about all the cuneiform tablets we have today, you know, up at the University of Oxford and all these different places. And this library alone would amass almost our entire collection. But here's the thing that's really strange that's where you started getting to the conspiracy side of this. Of those 30,000 cuneiform writings that they brought to be housed, most of them are not even organized at all. They're not even put in an arrangement order or translated. So you have all of these writings that are our oldest writings on earth that tell us basically the truth of what happened. And most of them are just sitting gathering dust.  And that's their whole future, for now at least. And nobody even bothers to file complaints that all of these tablets have not been, you know, translated extensively and looked at it so we could figure out what they actually say. Instead they just sit there. And I wanna add. Yeah, you're right. I don't wanna add to that even. If you go back a hundred years, you go back in like the late 1800s, there was a lot more discussion it seemed in at least the universities that you can actually get access to books now where they've done translations. And like you brought up earlier about the Anunnaki, there's not a whole lot of tablets that you can actually translate directly to the Anunnaki that people have access to.  It's also got the Cudiform clay tablets, the seven tablets of creation, et cetera. And the Anunnaki are clearly described and clearly translated in this from 1880. So people cared about it more back then than they do now. Now it's like. Exactly. That's a great, that's a great point Rex. Thank you for bringing that up. If you go watch my 650 pound life now. Yeah. If some people are wondering why I'm talking about this whole thing with the library, with Nineveh and the Oshubonpaul library is we have to understand that if Oshubonpaul did not amass these writings, like the Anumahilish, I'm going to go over some of the, I'm going to go over some of the tablets that are in just some of them that are in this live rural library that were found. The Anumahilish is one of them, which is to me the most important tablet the set of tablets we have and not in Epica Gilgamesh is one of them. And then most of them are not even named or they just have numbers and they don't need nothing more than that. And the point of that is, like you said, the Anumahilish is one of the only ones in here that's been translated and things like the Epica Gilgamesh are considered like a poem or just some like some story. That's all that's all it's talked about. Even though you can find out who Gilgamesh was and you could find out all these different names for so many of them. And I wanna specifically talk about the Anumahilish again because that was part of the Oshubonpaul library and the significance of what was in it. And Rex, you talked about how the first five tablets is like basically the only thing we have that describes possibly, right, what happened to our solar system so much further, so long ago that we obviously have no other records that even talk about it. And here we have five tablets that discuss exactly what happened with these Sumerian gods like Marduk basically kicking over planets and various moons and various things with their names, right? And then acting out this great play. But that's not the most important thing about this because I do think that's extremely important. But I think tablet number six is the most important of all because, and I wanna also point out that if you go look up for translations of tablet number six of the Anumahilish, you'll find many of them with slightly different translations but larger than the same. But if you go to official places like the University of California and these other places, I found it appalling to find out to see something like the first five tablets in there translated and they just like ignore the sixth one. Just like happily ignore it and it has nothing even there and then seventh one maybe has like a little blurb about it. The most important tablet at all is not even translated in a lot of places. And that to me is a very telling thing. So what is on tablet six? It's so important that it needs to be and what I consider like things like the siege of Ninebot in this library, I think it was an attempt to try to destroy so many of these. How many of these tablets were destroyed? I mean, many of them could have been destroyed with broken and we never found so much of them. I mean, what we have of 30,000 tablets could be like a fraction of what actually really existed and we only have like the scraps they're left over. And so this on, I wanna read an excerpt from tablet six. Because it's really important and this is basically, this is what it says. They bound him holding him before Ea and Ea was known as Enki. They inflicted the penalty on him and severed his blood vessels. From his blood, he Ea created mankind on whom he imposed the service of the gods and set the gods free. After the wise Ea had created mankind and had imposed the service of the gods upon them. The task is beyond comprehension. The gods were then divided, all of the Anunnaki to upper and lower groups. He assigned 300 in the heavens to guard the decrees of Anu and appointed them as guard. And of course, Rex mentioned about Marduk who became the one who was in charge of deciding which gods went where and he became in control of basically the realm of reality. And that's why we talk about this sacrifice and worship of Belle and it's all referencing this blood sacrifice stuff always coming back to Marduk in my opinion. So all these seven tablets, number six is the most important of all of them. And this is what they look like. There's these fragmented pieces of rock with these cuneiform writing on it. But yet they hold some most important information of all time that came from these libraries. And this is where we kind of connect this is to understand that the Assyrian Empire is simply just a later empire of what started as the Sumerians. And you always have to go back to the source if you wanna find the truth of these stories and where it all began. And yet it's amazing that the Sumerians are barely even spoken about in school. They give them almost no information about why they had such sophistication and how they developed mathematics and writing and agriculture and how they wrote about how all those things were handed down to them from heaven and all these things. And yet we just kind of bat an eye most times and just let it be that they developed all that themselves. And I think one of the greatest things that limits us in terms of mankind and discovering this is that we have enormous egos and we're so proud of all of our developments. So the idea that things were given to us and that we didn't develop them like everything from the Sumerians all the way to the Mayans really angers people. Cause then they think, oh, we didn't develop them ourselves with our own ingenuity. I just, I kind of find it funny that we always just go to that road instead of considering the idea that it was given to us. Well, it's interesting also when you read through, for example, the Sumerian tablets and the Sumerian king list it describes how the kingship descended from heaven and it describes the first king. And I am wondering if the first king is actually Adam that's described in Genesis from the Old Testament. There's been so many different stories that have been adopted and taken from the Sumerian culture and it's put in modern religion scriptures. Yeah, it's right down the open right there, right? We think it's all a joke. And yet Adam is, and we're gonna go over and mentions Adam in many places. I wanna talk about the Sumerian king list. I mean, these things are right in front of us and yet most still think it's a fairy tale. We tied in Nineveh, we tied in Babylon, the Sumerians. We're gonna go back in where we started in Jawan because this is how you entered Jawan if you were to walk to Jawan into the site of this aqueduct. We talked about how there's this giant writing there. We'll look at these giant murals. This is hundreds of feet high, this cliff. It's huge and these statues are so big that some people just to see how big they are after like look at them binoculars to try to get the scope of how enormous it is. And this is called Kinnis Rock and at the site of Jawan where this just happens to be the first aqueduct on earth, right? For the city of Nineveh. And on the left side, we have Sinakarib who was basically credited with being that kind of first king who designed these aqueducts in Nineveh and all these things. And here he is with these Sumerian gods. Just like the Babylonian Hammurabi king mentions how he was given kingship by Shemash and Marduk. It's the same thing, here you have Sinakarib saying he was basically given kingship from on of the same thing. And I'm sure it's the same, it's amazing how the linkage when you start to look into it. And when you look into these Syrians and where they began, you find out that the first place was Ashur. And where does Ashur Bonapal come from? But the name Ashur, and this is the God Ashur. And if you look up who Ashur was to the Sumerians, you'll find that he was Enlil. So then quickly you connect back to, oh yeah. So Enlil, just like it says in so many of these writings then established these empires up through the Mesopotamian valley through the Tigris and Euphrates rivers. It goes all the way back to literally the names of kings. So Ashur Bonapal named himself that because he was this ancient connection back to Ashur who is simply just Enlil. And that's what's kind of so neat about how the whole thing connects back because it always does. And that's kind of how you know you're on the right track when things fit into place like that. So this is a Sumerian king list. And again, people hear about these long reigns. You mentioned Adam and these kings who reigned for more than hundreds of years, some thousands of years. And people try to wrap their heads around that. And it boggles their mind or they just can't. Some of them over 40,000 years, Matt. That's right. 43,400 years I think was the top, which was Dumasid. Is that correct? Yeah, yeah, with, you know, like we even think some civilizations on earth were even around for. I mean, here's what's so interesting to connect with this. You hear a name like Enlil from the Sumerians. You say, what, what does that mean? Well, En simply means- Can I jump in real quick? Yeah, Matt, I apologize. I'm not trying to, I just want to correct myself here because Dumasid pre-flood the shepherd 36,000 years. The 43,200 year reign was from Enmenluana. And then so Alulam was the first king on the Sumerian king list, rolling for 28,800 years. Alulam might actually be, there's a very good chance with the research that's been done by many scholars is Adam. And if you go down this list and if you read the Hebrew texts of Genesis, they're linking up to also Ubaratulu, it's fascinating. So I'm not trying to knock you off guard that I just wanted to make sure that- No, that's awesome. Yeah, that's a long time, man. And that's what this says right here. This is the Sumerian king list. It's one, again, one of the oldest uniform writings we have. And we again think it's a myth. We just ignore what it says right on it. And this is how it opens up. The Sumerian king list opens by saying, kingship was lowered from heaven. And then it lists out the extensive brains of all these different kings and stuff. And Rex, doesn't that quote sound pretty familiar? Like the Genesis quote where it says kingship was lowered from heaven as well. And the Gnostic texts, the Egyptians, you read through the pantheons and their information and their gods, it's, yeah, it came from the heavens, came from, now here's one thing that I want to talk about for a second. When it discusses the heavens, you know, people are like, well, it's a different dimension. Is it or is it a different part of the solar system? Is it a different part of the universe? Is it all of the above? It seems, I mean, yeah, that's a great question. And it seems, from everything I've seen, is heaven is simply anything beyond earth. And hell, or the lower dimensions, was basically like underworld, inner earth, and lower dimensions. And so we try to put a label on things and try to box and frame things we can understand. But really, we haven't really reached a point where we can fully understand yet. That was a good way to put it. I appreciated that. And also though, I feel sometimes when hell is referred in ancient texts or when they say Hades, they're not referring to actually hell, they're referring to a certain part of the universe, the Hades constellations and the Hades section of the actual universe, not Hades, hell, inner earth. There's a lot of different symbologies with different things that we tend to take too literal. And yes, it can be very difficult to understand if we kind of don't know where to frame it from. Now, we're gonna come all the way back to where we started, because this is the most important thing of everything we've talked about. In terms of the strangeness and the unusualness of this information, this is the best picture I can find of Jerwon. And if you try to find pictures of Jerwon, you'll find a lot of them, but you won't find a lot of comparisons of how big the writing is. It's very difficult actually. And Jerwon, of course, was the first aqueduct under earth that gave brawl the water to Ninevan, created those famous hanging gardens in that great lavish city that existed there. But we had to come back to the source because here of all the places that we talked about is this giant cuneiform writing on these huge limestone blocks. And if you look at the writing, if someone had the time, it'd be really nice if it was a government operation or some kind of a situation that was well funded that we could trust, had the time we could actually find out what this says. I have not been able to find any translations of any of this cuneiform writing. And I know that you can do it yourself on University Oxford. So let's get this uncovered because this is what's so unusual about it. This is the size of the cuneiform writing that's found in comparison to a man's hand, almost all over Mesopotamia and anywhere we can find. This is the size of what it was written for. We can imagine a regular person, right? A consort or whatever it was. Yet at the same time, here we have this photograph. Now, I gotta mention this because when I was researching Gerwan, I was searching, searching, searching, searching, searching for this exact example. I was like, I need to find an example of a hand or someone standing next to this writing so that I can show how big it is. And I searched for hours until I found this photograph right here. And then I of course put it on some stuff and then a couple of people shared on Pinterest. And when I went to go find the photograph again for this show, to try to find a better one maybe, that original one didn't exist any longer. I could not find it and the only one I could find was the one I had then put up, which was further degraded. So here it's preserved here in a slightly grainy form, but that is a man's hand that is sitting next to this cuneiform writing. You can see a shadow very well there. It can't be made up. But look how enormous it is. This cuneiform writing and it's again, it's untranslated. And like I said, I had never even heard of it. I'd never even heard of Gerwan in some examples. And I started to put together the importance of these sites and it started to make sense to me that the easiest way to simply, the easiest way to hide something would be just to not talk about it or to destroy it. And that's where we're gonna kind of come to the end of this with. This is what the gates of Nineveh, remember the city directly connected to Gerwan and where the Oshar-Banapal Library was with the Anum-e-Elish and the Epic of Gilgamesh and all of those. This is what the site looks like now. And they've only partially uncovered it before they destroyed it. But this is what ISIS did to that site. You can still see the bulldozer. They actually destroyed literally everything. Who knows how long it's gonna be for people can even get in and uncover it or what's left to even find. And so Rex, I really appreciate everyone supporting a lot of the research and writers like me and writers like Gerald Clark and a lot of these other researchers who we put ourselves out there and a lot of people say a lot of nasty things to us. But you know what, to me, the truth is all that matters. And following evidence along the trail, regardless of what the predetermined viewpoint is of the rest of society or a lot of people, we gotta follow the truth no matter what because the truth is one of the most important things that matters. So please check out my, I have a YouTube channel at Matthew LaCroix. I have a book of illusion of us and I really appreciate all the support with trying to uncover these because honestly, we don't have time to continue to allow these to be destroyed. Paul Mira in Syria as another example is just destroyed as well and there's been many, many other sites. So all of these ancient sites that connect back to the Assyrian Empire and then the Anunnaki and the Sumerians, they're just being wiped down destroyed. Just kind of like the Roman Empire did with the Library of Alexandria. You know, and it's neat, Gerald Clark's a really nice guy. He used to come on the show quite a bit and hopefully I'll have an opportunity to speak with him again.  Now, you know, another thing Matthew that I want to talk to you about before we close out tonight, after reading through all these tablets and stories and connecting the dots, what do you think and fill the next level is as far as disclosure? Well, right now we're seeing this soft disclosure of UFOs and advanced technology right now all over, you know, the news and stuff and that's where the focus seems to be. But I do think the timeframe that we're gonna go for will be, there will be, like we're seeing in Egypt, there will be a major discovery made there, like below the pyramids or in one of these places. Something is going to come out and it will just kind of blow this whole thing open. And I think that the, we're seeing soft disclosure and of course soft disclosure in a lot of other ways too for ancient history, but we're seeing, we're seeing kind of momentum towards the truth, I think in a lot of areas. And it's gonna be interesting to see how fast the ancient history side comes out in terms of, because of how fast the UFO advanced technology side is coming out with like Tom DeLonge and all that stuff that they're doing. So for me, I'm kind of, I'm looking at both sides and I'm waiting to that gap is bridged, right? Because people have to say, well, who are the gods and how does that connect to advanced civilizations and other beings in the universe? And I'm waiting for that bridge to be connected. Hey, thank you, Matthew. Man, seriously, it's a real honor to speak with you. Thanks for being here. Thank you so much.


You, madame, need a disclaimer in the beginning of your videos where you say, Hey, I have no idea about nutrition. I do not understand the word healthy. All right, guys, welcome back to the channel. If you knew my name is Bobby, guys, today we're going to react to Ryan H. Y. I don't know why, but this video was in my description box. It is titled, what I eat in a day, vegan and yummy. Let's do this. And welcome back to my channel. If you are new here, welcome. Today we are in my kitchen because it's food related. We're doing a what I eat in a day video. So, OK, another one that likes to animate herself. Super narcissistic. So for those of you who may be new, I am vegan. I was raised vegetarian and then kind of later dabbled into veganism and then I've been vegan for quite some time now. And I guess I have to put a label on my diet. It is probably more along the lines of like intuitive eating.  Why are you hungry? Ever questioned that? No, not really, right? So if you would eat a vegan diet that offers sufficient calories and you're still hungry, why could that be? OK, first case scenario. Sure, too much insulin secretion, right? That leads to insulin spikes and lows. And that makes you hungry. Sure. But what else could it be? Your body craves micronutrients, not only macronutrients.  Then you're craving micronutrients. Of course, you're missing those because in your vegan diet, you do not have them.  Really, what I mean to say is I don't restrict myself in any way. I don't try and have like below certain numbers of different not restricting your vegan. Anything I just eat what I want to eat. No, you don't because you're vegan. Disclaimer, my body size and shape is largely genetic. Of course, diet is going to help that. But yeah, I am also just a smaller human. So anyway, I'm not trying to push the start on anyone. This is just what I eat in a day. It changes day to day and hopefully it will give you some ideas and also some places to look if you are looking for some really delicious healthy meal ideas. So I will put a kind of OK, let's see what she sees as healthy list in the description box along with any links to people I'm mentioning. And let's look at why in a day. OK, so for breakfast, there's rarely changes. I usually have a tofu scramble. I find that it keeps me. Yeah, coming from the vegetarian background. Why would you have a tofu scramble, right? Because you're eating what you want. It's not that you want eggs secretly, right? Full for longer. And I also find that my brain just does better when I have like a big hit of protein in the morning. So I usually use whatever veg that I have on hand. Today it was mushrooms, cherry tomatoes, peas. Yeah, OK.  And here you have the phytoestrogens in the tofu. That's all. There's nothing really nutritious or healthy about this. And I also put some tempeh in there as well. I basically just fry it all up. Tempeh is fermented soy. And it is a slightly better option than the tofu. However, still not optimal. I use some niche and some slap your mama's. Some nooch, nooch is nutritional years, right? That's what the cool kids say nowadays, nooch. And then once it's mostly cooked, I'll add a little splash of cashew milk just to like free up. And I have to add, of course, nooch because you are missing cheese as a vegetarian flavor from the bottom of the pan. And it also adds a little moisture to the scramble as well. And then I'm just having some multiple grain toast. I usually just buy whatever seems the most healthy. And then I just wash that. Yeah, because you have no idea about nutrition. With a big glass of water and, of course, coffee and oat milk. Of course, we use the Caliphia oat barista milk. It's really good. Yeah, because it reminds you of dairy. You are craving leg toast and eggs. Because, sadly, that's the only thing you know as a vegetarian. So I thought I could hear geese. And I also take my daily medications and supplements. Daily medications and supplements. That should be helpful as far as recipes, supplements, stuff like that. What? So moving on to lunch. Usually eat lunch way too late because, like I said. So it's normal now to list your medications and supplements in the vegan world, right? That's totally normal now. We're just going to ignore this and say, yeah, guys, I'm just going to list my supposedly healthy food. And on top of that, my medications. Go carnivore and you don't need medications. My breakfast, you can call for a very long time. And I also just forget. So today I'm having some leftover lasagna. I'll do a video on that, which I will link to. Yeah, again, craving dairy and it's been bowls as kind of like a side to go along with that. They're really awesome to have on hand, whether you want to have them as a meal or whether you want to split them and have them. The whole dish mimics animal fats. Again, this is a traditional Italian dish in this case. Of course, what you're really missing is meat and cheese sides or however you want to use them. I actually did that with my friend the other day. Unbelievable. What was healthy about this again? A bunch of them and had it with some other stuff from the freezer. Yes, really great service for like plant-based smoothies, soups, bowls, whether you are just really busy or maybe like on well or recovering. It's a great service. Obviously, you're probably not going to do it all the time. But once in a while, I do find it to be super helpful. And I also have a discount link, which I will pop down. Of course you do. They did send me those. I think that's the only food received in PR. So anyway, usually I'll opt for leftovers for lunch or I'll go with something really easy, like avocado toast or avocado on rice cakes. Just something that I can eat quickly without thinking about it too much so that I don't think about it too much. Otherwise, you could get the idea that you're actually lacking all of the nutrients that you might need, right? There is no protein in what you just listed. It's just carbs and vegetable oils and stay in the zone because when I'm in the stand, I'm going to stay in it because it's hard to get back in. All right. And then for dinner, this is one of our favorites in this house. It is a must-have for hormonal hunger, shall we say? And that is carbonara. Oh my God, the next dairy-mimicking food. Don't you see what you're doing there?  You're trying to replicate cheese. You're trying to replicate milk. That's what you're doing over and over again. And consciously or subconsciously, the mushrooms replicate meat. That's what that is. Wow. So we do a twist on a recipe from Euphoric Vegan, which I will link down below because I am a child and worried about textures. OK, I love onion. I understand the importance of onion. Delicious. The texture, it will make me gag. So what is the importance of onion? Why do you need something that is antibacterial? What we do is we will blitz the onion and garlic in with just like a basic cashew cream that we make. Cashew cream, cheese again, this is unbelievable. And mushrooms. And then instead of the bacon... OK, let me clarify this. Maybe she's watching this video, right?  No, there is a reason why you are craving those animal foods. Those animal foods are nutritious and their plant alternatives are not. That is the simple truth. You won't find fat soluble vitamins in those plant alternatives. They're all isolated gunk, just processed slop. Your body craves those foods. Your tongue recognizes that this is nutrition. This is why it tastes good. Somehow vegans do not understand that.  I love it because it is nutritious. My body recognizes the nutrition. It's that simple. Your body won't recognize nutrition if you would choose to eat raw broccoli. Because that is the case, you have to mask it with dairy mimicking sauces. In the euphoric vegan recipe, which is super good, we make the shiitake bacon from the chef Chloe. Oh, you make bacon now? If you're not familiar with either of those people, euphoric vegan or chef Chloe, I will think for you they are awesome resources for delicious, flavorful, simple food. It's not food. It's all delicious. Delicious. It's all about delicious with vegans. You are like children.  Or rather trick them. Let me put it that way. You are not interested in nutritious foods. You're not interested in providing something healthful for your body. You, madam, need a disclaimer in the beginning of your videos, where you say, hey, I have no idea about nutrition. I do not understand the word healthy, because everything that you listed here is far from healthy. It is super destructive for human health. The only thing I do differently with the shiitake bacon is that I add a little bit of smoked paprika while it's like crisping up in the oven as well. But super simple, tastes delicious. I guess I've never had bacon. Delicious. That it is that accurate. But it's delicious, nonetheless. And it adds a little smokey. Let's make a drinking game out of this. Every time she says, delicious. Cheers. I did wash that down with a gin and tonic. Yes. So that was my what I ate in a day. What that was it all the time. Probably the breakfast is the most stable, the same as always kind of thing. I either skip breakfast because I forget or I have a massive breakfast more often than not. The only other added things I may have in there are like, I guess, drink. So I'll often have like cranberry juice, teas, stuff like that. Sugar is stimulants. After dinner, I will have chocolate. More stimulants and. Sweet orange tea before bed. More sugar, more stimulants. I discovered that tea in my therapist's office. You need a therapist. Congratulations.  I assume those medications are for her mental illness.  Simple as that. You do not have any DHA or EPA in your diet. As much as I hate to play the studies, though, card studies have shown that vegans have shrinking brains. Yes, and you've been raised vegetarian. This is where you are mentally ill. And now you're further enhancing that mental illness through the plant foods. Absolutely saddening to see. Eat meat and get rid of the medication and get healthy again. All right. And then there is this video called My Mental Health Story, which will prove our point. Hey, guys, so I have something a little bit different for a kind of lifestyle beauty channel, probably not the most anticipated video. I'll ever do, but maybe the most important one I'll ever make. So this is my mental health story. So to start off, I'm just going to explain what my issue is, issues. I was diagnosed with cyclothymia, which is like a lesser version of bipolar, which can very easily transition into bipolar if you don't see treatment. For me, at least it was always very physical symptoms. They definitely started as mental, but they manifested themselves in physical ways. So not sleeping, losing a lot of weight, kind of feeling so anxious that I don't think I was even really breathing properly. I would have like numbness and tingling and lightheadedness. And I was just like very low, dark, heavy mood. I did definitely have an element of mania with it, but I think I very quickly learned to utilize that in my favor. When you spend so long being so low, not being able to like do or really sometimes even feel anything. As soon as you feel that high kick in, you make the most of it. I don't think I ever really engaged in any super risky behavior. I think I probably drank too much at times, but my highs were very much like this is my only chance to get things done that I have to do, so I'm going to probably not sleep and be super productive. So with that, I also have a lot of anxiety. I think I have a definite element of social anxiety as well as just general panic attacks and stuff like that. But my essentially my issues were unpredictable. All the symptoms in the book, this is just saddening to see. A great case of this is Jordan Peterson and Michaela Peterson. I urge any vegan or vegetarian that experiences exactly those symptoms to check those two out through the carnivore diet.  When I was a vegan, I was severely depressed myself. Once I started reincorporating animal foods, my depression alleviated. And once I excluded all the plant foods, my depression was gone. Nowadays, I have a stable mental state, not too high cranked out on the sugar roller coaster and not too low. Just a solid state, overall good, stable mood. And it's absolutely saddening to see. Do I have to remind you this girl is a raised vegetarian? We talked about this on this channel quite often. The parents buy into a dogmatic belief system and force it onto their children. It's not necessarily the parents fault. It is the systems fault to promote this destructive practice. This is not a human diet. This is not meant for human consumption. This is not even meant for animal consumption. We have to get rid of all the grains, the soy product, all that processed slop. We have to return to regenerative agriculture, where we have grass, fat cows, healthy animals, healthy people. This is the future and not this absolute sad example. She is a beautiful woman that went through so much suffering because of her upbringing. And instead of turning the ship around, she decides to go on to vegan diet and further compromise her health. Absolutely sad example. All right, guys, this is it for today's video. If you liked it, leave it a thumbs up. 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This is Think Tech Hawaii, Community Matters here. Bingo! We're back at 2 p.m. rock on a given Wednesday. Okay, and to my left, Lisa Gibson. I know her for about 100 years. We were in the Technology Trade Association. Hawaii Science and Technology Council. Science and Technology Council. And there were other things. Oh, Enterprise Honolulu. Enterprise Honolulu. She's a firebrand. And she's a firebrand and a new thing we're going to talk about today, which is Indivisible Hawaii. Welcome to Indivisible Hawaii. Okay, and her left is Laurence Basha. Laurence is a retired army general. Yes, army. Who is dedicating himself these days to Indivisible Hawaii. He's one of the leaders of Indivisible Hawaii. And so I want to talk to you guys about that organization, how it came together, what it's doing. Okay, let's talk about the origin of the organization, Lisa. Okay. We all were there on that night in November 2016 when President Trump was elected. Within about 10 days after the election, a group of former staffers, Ezra Levin and Leah Greenberg, had produced a document, a Google document called The Indivisible Guide for Fighting the Trump's Agenda of Racism, Authoritarianism. The list goes on and on. That Google Doc was shared around the country. I got a copy of it in the first 10 days in December. I promptly said, I'm in. I'm signing up. I'd say by January they had 3,000 chapters across the country. They were on Rachel Maddow one night and they went from 3,000 chapters to 6,000 chapters. That was like in January or February of 2017. So their model was based on their observation of the Tea Party that a few constituents can show up with their members of Congress, whether it was the House or Senate, and say, you know, we want to hold you accountable on this particular issue. And as we know, the Tea Party did that with regard to Obamacare in that day. And so Indivisible had chapters all over the country doing the same thing with members of the House and members of the Senate. In Hawaii, we have a pretty blue state, but that isn't true across the country. I would say that Indivisible... It isn't completely true in Hawaii, either. Correct. But I would say that Indivisible, for example, the town hall meetings where you saw people standing up about the Affordable Care Act, you know, talking to their senators who were going to vote against it, telling their stories about health care. Maisie Hirono played a significant role in that. They... I believe that Indivisible, along with lots of other groups, were responsible. Citizen activism was responsible. Indivisible, what an interesting word, you know? Because it harkens back to... It's the Pledge of Allegiance. Indivisible with liberty and justice for all. It's a core that is patriotism, don't you think? Correct. That's correct. And so what are the principles? Because it's a moving target. Things are changing. They've been changing since the inauguration back in January 2017. And the new normal seems to slide up on us and hit us from behind all the time. So the question is, you know, what are the central, ideal, central mission of the organization, at least as you see it now? I think it's the same now as it was then, and that is getting back to the line of the citizens. What did Thomas Jefferson say? Democracy is great if you can keep it. It was Ben Franklin. Was it Ben Franklin? I thought it was Thomas Jefferson. So sorry. Anyway, the point is, if citizens are not involved, then democracy doesn't work. The word democracy, institutions of democracy, the vote, it is the core, it's the heart and soul of it. So if we aren't involved to hold and we elect to represent us, then they don't answer to us. So it started, and I'm really getting an interesting thought here, it started out as most of us, or the people I know and live with, as sort of an objection to Trump, not my president, this boorish guy who ran a boorish campaign, and we were still learning how boorish it was. So the original reaction of the country, at least the blue part of the country, was let's fight with this agenda. His agenda's bad. But it seems to me, and you can answer this, Morris, it seems to me that it goes now beyond. We have found a truth, a mission, and I say we because I've sort of aligned the way you feel. We have found a way of coming together that covers more than just Trump. And the notion I'm getting from you is that it covers trying to hold our democracy together in difficult times. If Trump is not the only difficult person, there are others behind him and around him who are also difficult and who are undermining our democracy. And so it started out as an anti-Trump maneuver, but it's really much more than that. Am I right? I think you hit the nail on the head, Jay. Again, it started in opposition to Trump. Now that opposition has proven to have paid off in the midterm elections by gaining the House back for the Democrats, the indivisible and I think a lot of the progressive groups have realized that it's time to go on the offense. And so two things that are a little bit different is, one, since we have the House, it's pushing for progressive ideals or progressive legislation to come out of that. And then the second is focusing on, again, the local representatives at the state level and then also at the state government level, the House and Senate representatives there. And part of this is, you know, and maybe it's a positive fall out of a bad time is a renewed consciousness and a renewed awareness of the elements of our democracy. Democracy 101. We forgot about it. We forgot about it. We've all been asleep. He and his Misha Goss, as the units were, have reminded us. That's correct. Now, so reminded, we've become more aware and we have to step up. I think that's what I hear you say. That is absolutely correct. The consequences of citizens not holding themselves accountable is that our government will not be accountable. So what do I have to do as a citizen or even better, as a member or a leader of Indivisible Hawaii? What do I have to do to be accountable? What do I have to do to be part of the organization or to conduct myself in accordance with its principles? Well, we started off by visiting our members of Congress. Every single... And that effort was launched by a group called Resist Trump Tuesday. So that was one group. We were part of another group. We showed up every single Tuesday. Shots, Hirono, Hanabusa, and Gabbard's offices. And I don't know... Here or Washington? Here. Here. And I don't know if you remember what it was like that first year. You had the Attacks on the Affordable Care Act. You had Attacks on DACA. You had... And now we've got babies being taken away from there.  So that's what we did. We showed up. And that was happening across the country. So one of the things that happened in the midterms was that Indivisible groups had retirement parties for guys that they didn't want to run again. So many guys in the House, Republicans in the House, decided not to run again, that they had a huge impact on opening up seats, which has resulted in the largest flip of the House ever, I think, in history, possibly 41 people. So they had retirement parties for these guys, and they decided they'd never had their constituents show up. They just never experienced them. So it's not just us. It's really a magnificent thing to watch unfold. Well, you know what strikes me. You say across the country that one of the troubling things here is that there's a sort of geographical diversity, a geographical polarity here, a polarization to go further. I mean, so you have red states and you have blue states. And if you took, I'm just a question I'm coming to, if you took Indivisible Hawaii and you put it smack in the middle of a completely red state, what would happen? Would there be retirement parties? Would you find support there? Because most of the blue people are on the coasts. They're in the cities. They're urban. They're not rural. But if I went to Idaho, I might not find the same reception. Can you do Indivisible Idaho? Yeah. I think there are Indivisible chapters in all 50 states. Obviously, deep red states face certain challenges. Just look at Georgia, look at Florida, look at, you know, the Beto, the Stacey Abrams and Gillom. Beto is fabulous. Beto is fabulous, but none of them won. And that, I believe, gets back to the vote in particular. So all this stuff with voting has been going on for years, but what's happening is the light is being shown on how important the vote is. That awareness thing. That's right. It's about awareness. So how do you expand the notion? I mean, it's an ideal. It's important. It couldn't really be more important to the future of our democracy that groups like you come up from grassroots and do things. But how do you expand its influence? How do you refine its policies? How do you, you know, organize its actions, its activities? Because that's not easy. And, you know, you have tools. You have social media and email and whatnot on websites. You have electronics, but it's so easy to get fragmented. How do you conduct the organization so that it grows, becomes stronger, and so forth? So the big point, as you just mentioned, is really social media. And again, through the use of technology and the new applications and things that are being developed, specifically for communications with elected representatives, with other people in different regions, is a huge way to influence not only your own constituents, but other people, you know, as well in other areas. So for example, we, and here in Hawaii, wrote postcards for candidates in other areas. And additionally, we texted, right? So there's a couple of great programs, like Hustle is one that the Indivisible team has been using. And so that just automatically loads somebody's phone number and a message to them about getting out and voting. And we, we in Indivisible Hawaii, had texted to seven or eight different states. And, you know, again, all this is very distributed and very decentralized. So the nice thing is that if somebody is in Idaho and they are isolated in one little blue community and surrounded by red, they no longer have to rely on just their human interaction. They can use their interest and their energy to influence either people in their community or other communities nationwide. It's just a national network we're talking about. Totally. It reinforces itself. But there's a personal part of it. So we have folks, we have to get together. We talk to each other. We sit face to face and we become friends. So we're building a, we're not a huge group. We're a small group of people who become friends around a shared set of goals and a need to participate and do something, because we're from a blue state, hey, we can help people in Florida, in California. Where else did we help? Nevada. Montana. We had, so Lawrence and his wife went to Montana where there was a request that they were low on poll watchers in Montana. Hawaii sent, Indivisible Hawaii sent four people. To be poll watchers. To be poll watchers in Montana. President of Montana. How are you good to be a poll watcher? Just through the acceptance and support of the, in Montana's case, the Montana Democratic Party. They were low on people. The party would advance your name. Right. And they were low on people in rural area.  Physically, yeah. Physically, right. So I think for us, yes, we're doing all this technology, but we're also working hard with the folks in our group to provide opportunities to bring people together. So here I am in my computer. And I want to help you guys. And I want to send social media messages or I want to send email or something. Who do I address that to? And what do I say? So the first thing to do would be to go to our website, which is IndusibleHawaii.org, and look for the donate button. That's going to be the key critical thing to hit and way to support. So on the website, there's various information. And what we ask people is pay attention. When we need support on an issue, they can either email, call, write, make contact with their elected representative to get that influence, that elected representative to do one. What's the name of the person you're writing to? Say it's in Idaho. Tell that story. How did we get the names from Florida? This is a great story. Another innovative app that everybody else probably knows really well, but I was just recently introduced to is Slack. And so Indusible has a group with a Slack channel that's called middle tier. And again, this is for not the national level organizers, but the intermediate level organizers throughout to share information, ideas, et cetera. So we had decided that we were going to help send postcards. And basically the physical postcards, right? They're wonderful. We're through the mail. So actually like in the day of the first iteration when we were going to get together and write, I had posted to the Slack channel, does anybody have addresses for candidates that they want to have, not for candidates, but voters, that they want to send either letters or postcards to? And within an hour, I had a response from a group in Florida that said, hey, we're in this big postcard writing campaign. Here's a way to help us. So we got the names from them, negotiated, if you will, on what the postcard was going to say. And then within the day, we had sent out about 500 postcards with specific wording and then support to this group in Florida. So again, through the worldwide interweb, we were able to make contact and to physically support in a way that they really were very thankful of later. They loved it. Because people would get the postcards from Hawaii and they would be thrilled. It made the newspapers in Englewood, Florida. Okay, we're going to take a short break, but when we come back, I'd like to ask you in two areas. One is, would you ever be involved in a physical street protest or demonstration? There are risks to that these days. I'll tell you about an article this morning's times to that effect. And the second thing I'd like to cover when we come back is specifically what issues you talk about in the postcards, the social media, the email, your website, and, you know, in the confederation of chapters, so to speak, of indivisible around the country. And how do you coordinate that? Take a short break. Lisa Gibson and Lawrence Basha for Indivisible Hawaii. When you come back, I can hardly wait, right? Perfect. This is Stink Tech Hawaii, raising public awareness. Choose to treat it with the help of a physical therapist. Physical therapists treat pain through movement and exercise. No warning labels required. And you get to actively participate in your care. 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I think it was at times about a remarkable phenomenon over protests with extreme right-wing skinheads and the like. And the question was, who's getting prosecuted? The California police are arresting people and they're recommending prosecution. And in some of these protests, there were counter protesters. And the article, which is disturbing actually to me, is that most of the prosecutions were against the counter protesters. That is what you call it, the green protesters, not the red protesters. And that struck me funny. The other thing is that in these protests, there were stabbings. The stabbings were universally done by the skinheads against the counter protesters. And there were no prosecutions of anyone for stabbing. Stabbing is a pretty threatening thing to do. So it seems like this isn't going to stop. And it depends on who you're engaging with. But some of these engagements can be dangerous. And I suggest to you that in the future, we'll see more of that. And you can't necessarily rely on the law enforcement sector or protect you in a case like that. So query, in developing your national grassroots organization, which I think is so important, how do you enter into the realm of appearing on the street in protest, counter protest, demonstration, what have you? It's not like it was in the 60s. Don't you remember the Democratic Party Convention in Chicago? Jay, you were probably in college. That was violent. Exactly. And the mayor there, he was a pretty bad guy. Daily, yeah. So to answer your question in Hawaii, I think it's a more benign environment than certain other places on the mainland. So for example, many of the groups in Hawaii were ready. We've been ready for months for President Trump to fire Jeff Sessions or Rod Rosenstein. So we had all alerted everybody on our list that this happens. We're going to meet at the federal building at 4 p.m. Hawaii time and there were rules about that. So when it happened, when Sessions got fired, we had 250, 300 people standing on the corner in front of the federal building. Did I feel safe there? Absolutely. If I had been someplace else in another state, would I have felt safe? I don't know. All I know is my experience. I did go to the Women's March in D.C., which was, I'm thrilled that I made the effort. It was a lifetime experience or nearly a million people. I did not ever feel not safe. I'm not sure if that's how it's going to be. Truth is, the strength of numbers. Yeah, I don't know. A lot of people turn out and give an issue they're stronger. They're safer. So one of the things about marching that's kind of peculiar to Indivisible Hawaii is that we have participated in the marches. We haven't organized any of this. And the reason being is that there are a lot of other great organizations out there, specifically like J20, that has worked to set up the organization. So in a way, it is a plug-and-play kind of setup. They have set up the march route. They've gotten the permits. They've done all the internal organizing. We just show up and they say, all right, this is the route we're going to take. This is the things we're going to say. It's great. And so again, we have a, seems to be a pretty good fluid sense of communication throughout social media and then support, face-to-face support groups with these other groups. So it takes the burden off of setting things up for us. So there are various groups around. It's a good thing. It's a positive thing. It's grassroots from all over the place. They're doing things that are similar to what you're doing. They're raising public awareness about these issues and about the government in general and the accountability of citizens and so. But I wonder, do you think as time goes by, you've seen this in Enterprise Honolulu, whether it gravitates toward a consolidation, whether these groups will learn to cooperate, collaborate with each other and ultimately form larger groups and so forth. I don't know how that works yet. Maybe it's early to ask this question, but I'm wondering what do you think is going to happen? I think over time that could happen, but there is a lot of work to do and it can be overwhelming if you're a volunteer doing this. And so you have to pick that particular thing where you're comfortable, you have time and just do what you can do and get other people to join you. And if everybody's doing that pretty soon, you have a voice. And I think we have succeeded with our group and we've collaborated with other groups here and there are other groups doing great things, Sister District, Flippable, J-20.   And that's true nationally as well. This is a fertile ground. Totally. Totally. But let me ask you this though. This is my big question. We have a few minutes left for it. So you define for me, you define what a person in Indivisible who I should do to be accountable. But the slogan is accountable citizens for accountable government. What does the government have to do to be accountable in your view? What do you want the government to do? What are your favorite issues, your favorite changes, say, in this Trump government that you want to elicit, evoke, require? And I guess that, you know, I'm really asking what are your favorite issues and what positions do you take on them? So I'd say that we focus on the progressive agenda and, again, just like we talked about with these other groups, there's a lot of work being done by other groups on other issues. What we at Indivisible who I have thought is looking at where we fit in, what is our niche going to be, what unique capabilities do we bring so that we're not just duplicating efforts. And so we've focused on election security. And through that, you know, at the federal level, I would say that being accountable is ensuring that the states and local administrations have the resources and the ability to improve their election security. And, you know, quite frankly, here in Hawaii, it's the state government, the county, the election commission. Those groups and individuals that are government employees and that we're basically paying salary for, their form of accountability is actually improving our election system either through the process or the equipment and helping to increase voter access as well.  Yes. So, myself and a couple other folks from Indivisible, there's something called the CAP Report, which is basically an assessment of all 50 states. And there are best practices. You check them out. How are you doing on this? And Hawaii has a grade of D or a C minus or a D. That's really discouraging. It's discouraging. No state has an A, not one state in the U.S. and lots of states have Fs. So election systems across the country are in bad shape. They showed the state of Maryland purchased an election system and found out that the Russians had bought the company two years before. Oops. So the biggest challenges for election systems are yes, the technology, yes, the hacking, but most importantly, is they have been underfunded. So in Florida, the recent election, the biggest problem was their machines were breaking down. I saw that in 1990. So what we can do is become advocates for the importance of Hawaii, ensuring that it meets all the criteria for having best practices in election systems and become an advocate to make sure it gets funded appropriately. We are working with states across the country. So states like Georgia, what they're doing in election systems is it is a huge job. There hasn't been a fair election in Georgia probably since 2000, since the year 2000. There's gerrymandering issues. Correct. There's suppression of voting. Georgia seems to be the center. They have it all. We don't have some of those issues. Are you doing anything about that? Is your correspondent an indivisible organization in Georgia doing? What is the organization doing about Georgia? Georgia is a travesty. It's got to be fixed. We're trying to form a network, a flat network. We want to find champions within each state to share best practices, understand and communicate. It's an arcane complex topic that puts a lot of people to sleep. And most states, election officials, don't have their citizens coming in and say, hey, you need to get rid of that air gap technology in your ballot counting machines. Those are the kinds of technical issues that can make a difference in how elections. So you have to develop a cadre of people who have the technical expertise to hold folks accountable and also advocate to make sure they have the resources they need. Am I right to say that? Invisible Hawaii is focused. It has other issues, primarily focused right now on voting issues, secure voting. So what about the other issues? How much time can you put in? How much effort is your organization willing to spend on immigration policy? On the Russia investigation, the funny business going on, obstruction of justice in Washington. I could go on. Education, climate change, environment in general. I could go on. There's so many things that are happening in a screwball. And the new normal, you know, like we get to accept what they're doing. And the press doesn't remember that two weeks ago there was an outrage because they were busy with tomorrow's outrage and so somebody, some grassroots organization or combination of grassroots organization has to get out there and be our institutional memory and remember that we're being screwed and we have to watch this and we can't forget and we have to always be aware, always be active. I mean, is Indivisible Hawaii, does it undertake that mantle of responsibility? Can it do that? We can't do everything. What we can do is we can maintain our communications and network with other groups so that if somebody needs subject matter expertise, if they need some support, we can surge our members or ask throughout our network of who can support those others. So again, it's very much trying to bring national support here locally or trying to figure out where we can get Hawaii support to either work with other groups in Hawaii or support other groups nationally. So for example, J20 has a particular expertise in immigration. I would never presume to be an expert on immigration. I would promptly call J20 because J20 and Doug Chen worked with them. I mean, they really do know what they're doing and we would support them. Hawaii should be very proud of its performance in the whole immigration. Very, very proud of it. I think it's very proud of Doug Chen. We're giving him an award as a matter of fact. Excellent. Good for you. He deserves it. We're very small so we have to figure out how can we best add value to the national conversation and we have landed on this issue of secure elections. You might also expand or migrate to other issues. And if I was a member of Indivisible Hawaii, would I be able to draw your attention to other issues and have you listen to me and take those issues alongside the ones you're working on right now? In any volunteer group it's great to come in and say I'm very interested in this. Can you do this? No. If you're interested in it, you drive it and we'll be there to help you. So if you're interested and you lead on it, God bless you. We'll support you. How can I learn more about this? How can I join? How can I communicate with you? What's the website or the email? IndivisibleHawaii at gmail.com And the way that people find their Indivisible chapters is you go into the nationals website, you put in your zip code and down comes a list of all the Indivisible chapters in that zip code. So that's how we got our members of Hawaii at gmail.com Right.   There's camera one. There are all the people out there. Tell them the message you want to leave with them. The one thing you want them to take away for sure from this discussion. I guess my request is to understand the power you have as a citizen to hold your members of Congress locally and nationally accountable. We pay their salaries. That's what democracy is all about. She's also saying that if you don't do that we'll all pay a terrible price. That should be clear to everyone these days. Lawrence, what would you say to them? I would say that people think that they have limited time or no interest in politics and nowadays nothing can be further from the truth with the communications technology and really the information that is out there either at any level of government or through private groups people can find out about anything from which roads are getting paved to where money is going to. Again, it's not like they have to go from where they live down to the county courthouse or city hall or things like that. All that information and participation is right there on your phone. Again, you can pull information and also you can push information. There's a lot of great apps and a lot of great devices now that will enable somebody to take a day to do something. You're not alone. We're all empowered and we're all obligated to. We have a responsibility. Lawrence Basha and Lisa Gibson, thank you so much for coming down. Thank you.


In your opinion, are there any events, people, inventions, contributions, disasters, anything whatsoever that you believe must be mentioned when talking about the recent history of the natural resources in Canada? Oh, for sure. I, you know, hands down I think that the, again, using our region as the example, but I think about the relationships that have been built between the oil sands industry up here and the First Nations communities. I have people who come over from England, from the UK, through the Carillion Partnership that we have, who didn't understand the way First Nations people live up here and how much they've progressed. You know, a lot of people think that, and it's the news and media that you hear all over the world, but a lot of people think that Aboriginal people are still living in tepees up here and big industries, you know, coming in and throwing them out of their land. And when you get here, you realize that's not the story at all and that there is a progressive relationship that exists and that there are a lot of good news stories coming out of the relationships that have been built. There's a, I have an extra question, I guess, I'm not sure how to frame it, but is there, there's a lot of, if we look at the 80s, there was a switch from your traditional trapping life with now having to really, a new life which would be employed by the oil science industry. Is there still kind of a, sort of a battle between how to live as a First Nations member here? But even as a business owner, there's a battle on what we do every day and I think you always want that fine line because you, if it all went away to moral, we would be okay with that because it means going back to living off the land, it means enjoying traditional activities that we enjoy, that a lot of what we do outside of work involves traditional activities and enjoying the lands with our children. However, you know, we always say that for Dave and I and for our company, Bruce, we always say that we're making the best of the situation we've been provided and I mean, the truth is we're in the heart of oil sands and so why would we want to sit back and not be involved meaningfully into the development of just that? So I think we've definitely made the best that we could with the situation.