Hello everyone, thank you for hanging out or showing up if you just got here. For those of you that were in the room at the end of the temporary distortion presentation and conversation we're going to continue to discuss AI and performance with the artists here on stage. And sorry I need my glasses nowadays. So where I'd like to begin by way of allowing people to sort of introduce themselves is not only just introducing their work and what they do and who they are. I'm sure that most of you know a lot of the people up here. But also talking about what first led the artist to introducing AI into their work and a little bit about what that project was, what year it was created. Some of us on the stage have been doing this much longer than than me, for example. And so yeah so I just kind of figure we start there. And then I have a few questions, but I also wanted to open up to this maybe like a little bit differently than common because I'd like to open it up for people that are on the panel to moderate this as much as I'm operating it right because I feel like there's a lot of expertise in the room. And, and I'm sure that there are incredible questions that each artist up here has to pose to both themselves and the others. So if we could kind of spread it around that way and then hopefully at the end have some time for questions from the audience. Yeah. So why don't we just go across and we'll start next to me and is this supposed to be on. Yeah. Hi. I'm Marianne Williams. I'm the artistic director of the builders association across media performance company that's been around forever, by which I mean 1994. And, yeah, we've done a lot of projects, you know, using various kinds of technology, mostly to kind of talk about technology and how it is framed in terms of labor and transactional, you know, aspects of our culture. And then that doesn't sound very interesting did it that's so boring. So for instance, we did a show recently about micro workers and online labor, the micro Turk community that serves Amazon, and we worked with them for a couple of years so that's part of our processes it's kind of labor intensive. And they created a project with us a performance and online show where it was kind of a second screen event where you as the viewer were had to perform tasks, based on what the micro workers assigned you. And so it was like a, you know, you were scored and paid paid in builders bucks. And I can't even remember but okay let me just quickly say so when the next show that we're working on is going to launch election year it's an election year show and it's about a post truth candidate that we're creating with AI, embodied by Mo Angelo's is in the audience tonight. And so a lot of what we're working on now is kind of how that's going to be generated that specific candidate. Right there for now. Hi, I'm Andrew Scoville. I'm a director and a creator of original work. A lot of my work is around bringing science concepts into theater. That's some of my more recent stuff but in 2013 and in 2015. I worked with a robot called being a 48, and being a 48 is essentially a bust, an animatronic bust, and it mixed with the chat bot. And so with some collaborators up here who are here they've kind of Lynn Rosenberg we made two projects where Bina was essentially an actor in the show interacting with other. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, okay. Thank you. So being a 48 is essentially chat bot with a bust animatronic and it was interacting with other actors in the show. We didn't at that time set out to with the intention of working with AI we were mostly exploring content it was one of those situations where you're making a piece that you think is in science fiction and then you stumble upon something that is sort of a proof of the concept of this idea that you thought was not real and so we stumbled upon being a 48 as sort of a research project and the more we got to know Bina, and the more we got to know Bina's handle or Bruce, Bina became part of the project and we incorporated Bina into a couple pieces as an actor. Thank you, Annie. I made my first piece using a kind of very rudimentary old fashioned form of natural language programming. Kind of AI in 2009. That piece did not use big data or statistical analysis. It was an old fashioned AI that was the statistical turn in the development of generative AI. I just made a piece that is my response to generative AI. So, you know, we can talk about that if you're interested but I guess what I'm mostly wanting to propose after almost 15 years of working with these things is that working with AI is a political that there's a political dimension to use of these tools. It's not at all neutral. And it's not at all really like previous sort of technological products that have been introduced at various times. And I'll be happy to say more about that and I also would mention that I'm also in law school right now. And I've been studying tech policy. So I'm also happy if people have questions about some of the lawsuits that artists are bringing against the tech companies. And I can talk about this on both the input side the training on works and also on the output side and the status of the AI generated material. We just talked a lot. So Sally's part of temporary distortion so but some people just walked in the room. So we'll just keep it short where we just showed some work in progress it's our first piece working with AI. So we don't really have the history that I feel like most people here have. But it's what made me curious about sort of putting this panel together and asking these questions and starting this kind of conversation in a venue like prelude. So I guess one of the questions that I have off the bat is if there's anything that the integration of AI into your work has allowed you to do that you wouldn't be able to do otherwise, or is that not true. Well it's definitely allowing us to play with live text generation specifically working with this candidate because we want to try to make a model that could be electable. This is our idea of this post truth candidate so but we're using Eyn Rand's work as the point of departure. So it's a tough sell. But not impossible if you kind of tweak it with a little Dolly Parton little role doll, you know, so the the whole idea of like generating it in real time and finding how that voice could be, you know, as a jam. Right so that's something that we couldn't do and we're very much like depending on the tool. Yeah, I feel like. Is this on. Okay, I feel like it, what it allowed us to do in the, in the particular pieces that we used was just to give people a chance to observe that kind of AI that's sort of like embodied or attempting to mimic human expression and and and hold a conversation with another person to just to create a different sense of awe that I feel like we're always looking to do in theater, create this sense of wonder. And there was something about being as presence in the room that does that automatically how long that lasts is a is a question. It's a good question, but and that I feel like is determined by the actors who are on stage with being your interest in actually staying with it. But there is a there is a sort of there felt like a shortcut to this new sense of awe at that time. That was really exciting. All my work is really about investigating these technologies natural language programming what computer generated text does how it functions. Some of the Eliza effect stuff that you're talking about. And so all my works would not have been made unless the technology was something that I wanted to be looking at. Yeah. I would just add for me, I'm kind of a analog advocate. So I like to juxtapose the new technologies that comes in because it kind of shines the uniqueness of the magic moment of analog had its peak in history. And then it was replaced by digital so something about that I think is like a human story to through our machines. So no, I probably wouldn't be able to do the work if I didn't have whatever the next thing that comes down the road. So that's what I find really interesting about it. I'm curious from Annie. So Andrew mentioned the sense of awe and wonder. And I read, I read the piece that you wrote recently about AI. And so I'm for those of you that haven't read it. I wonder if you could speak a little bit about it, and also. So my short version would be that you're kind of stepping back a little bit or is the sense that I got from reading that or is that a false impression. I mean, I've only made the one piece with generative AI and I would not do it again. And I only made that piece in order to criticize generative AI. So I'm not stepping back from algorithmic work or, you know, but I am like a strongly advocating that people think very hard about what they want to do with this tool and how they want to use it and what the meaning of using it is. In that essay. Would you want me to talk about the Eliza effect or the, or the. I'm happy to let you talk about whatever you'd like. But I think it would be nice maybe for people to have a little bit of a kernel of what that essay was about and then maybe that could bleed into us asking questions of one another. I will try to be super succinct. So the basic thesis of that piece which doesn't really have a thesis it was more of a thinking through kind of text but an American theater. Yeah, no one saw it. But is that, you know that artists have a are playing a very precise role in the dissemination of these tools, and that role that we're being asked to play is something like being a propagandist for the tech companies to make these tools seem cool, sexy, interesting, available to everyone. Democratic. They're we're going to make these beautiful things in MoMA that look like screensavers and we're going to, you know, we're going to make these cool. Huh. Yeah, yeah. I'm not the first to, but, you know, we're going to make these like, I can, you know, read it all day but the, we're make these like funny things where we say oh you know chat to be T right me a funny scene and then somehow it's interesting just because chat GPT wrote it, or the special voice that these the text seems to have. That is something like a default style or something is charming because it's kind of dumb or it's kind of banal it's you know there's a lot of things we're doing with these tools that are thoughtless. And there's a writer that I recommend to people, his name well I could give you a syllabus but I'll just say Dan McQuillan is the writer who wrote a book on resisting AI. And he was the first one to make me think about this question of thoughtlessness that using generative AI allows us to skip all the hard work and just get some results. And then we also don't have responsibility for those results because it was made by the AI. So that's been the case with algorithmic decision systems which are used in many different social contexts that's been a problem that a lot of AI critics have been involved with for many years. And I'm talking about the ways that AI gets used to make determinations for various public services for various government functions, incarceration recidivism rates, some educational uses as well public benefits you know it's these tools are getting embedded in all kinds of places in our society. And when government agencies or private companies use them, they get to say, Oh well we don't know I mean it's just what the thing said, because the statistics are so complicated how could we possibly know why it's making that determination. Therefore we disavow the responsibility for having made the decision. When you start looking at how these tools are trained and how they're deployed, you find all kinds of what the AI researcher Kate Crawford calls like a parade of horrors really in the training data. So, the notion that their value neutral in some way, because they've been run, because the information has been run through a high level complicated you don't want to know it's too complicated for our small brains, you know, these systems allows us to get results without having done any work for it, and also without having any responsibility for the harms that those results might cause has led me to I mean that's just this is like one corner of my problem with generative AI, but it's a pretty important corner. So in that piece I basically say so we know the harms are happening in terms of algorithmic bias we know they're happening in terms of incarceration in terms of military. I'm not sure I mentioned the military but that one too, in terms of all kinds of pretty important things going on that are being delegated to these tools without very much oversight these are private companies, they don't have to show their work. There's an incredible lack of transparency about what goes into the tools and how they function, and what the confidence level is even if the companies in the results that they give. So, given all that in the piece I say, you might think who cares about artists in this because it's just fun.  Somebody already said something about oh Frank did about being comfortable. Yeah, we're making people very comfortable with these things. And I hope that we are on guard against getting too comfortable. That's my spiel. I've on guard hopefully. I've on guard hopefully. Oh, on guard. Yeah, I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I know you're dying to ask the question. I don't know anything but could the all problem also possibly lean less on like how the technology is made, and more on the inhumanity of the institutions that it's like revealing. Yeah, all that in human all that and you know the short story writer Ted Chang has talked about these tools as being a kind of new form of McKinsey. I don't know anything. Well the company that advises corporations on how to streamline streamline make more efficient their operations which usually means cutting labor force weakening unions, going for cheaper labor elsewhere lots of arbitrage you know like the way in which the basic tool that would the basic function so far that everyone can agree is an actual use case for these tools is to eliminate jobs and weaken bargaining power and the part of workers, even by the threat of using these tools. So that's why the WGA strike was so exciting because they really stuck to their guns and they really pushed back and they got an enormously. I don't know encouraging contract, let's say that we're not just at the mercy of these things and it's all inevitable and there's nothing we can do. So yes, I think you're right the institutions the corporate structures that are dealing with them like all the money that these companies are making is not from users. It's from enterprise contracts. So the only way they're ever going to make money back for their venture capital investors is by selling contracts to embed these systems in other companies. So anyway sorry I'm going this is a totally derailing the whole. No no it was a question it was a question from the audience is that at all relevant to your question. Yeah, I mean one another I remember who said this could have been David Gerard, not sure, or David Columbia, but that like generative AI isn't actually going to eliminate all our jobs. It's going to eliminate some of them and the rest it's going to make much more alienated. Yeah, it's super I mean it's it's not a pretty thing what's happening here. And anyway, so I think it's interesting to think about the role that artists play in all that. Is there a question you'd like to pose to someone else on the panel the rest of the panel. No. So I mean, yeah, we could talk about AI in the larger sphere for five days but I think we let's talk about theater because that might be sort of what we're supposed to be doing. So, I, to me, one of the interesting things that you did in your prod in your latest piece that I thought was very effective was you know how in Halloween masks like if you're wearing half a mask it's much more terrifying than if you see the face or you see the whole mask. So that that moment right that gray area where it's like there's still a person there and there's this like friction around you and the AI and you get to see both in dialogue with each other like that being able to stage that I thought was really great. Congratulations. And so do you know what I mean that I think that there's a lot going on. And it's not like AI is totally winning at this point, at least in this, you know, little corner of the world. So yeah, would you like to push back already. I was, I was going to add to the, the very real problems that are coming up that it's interesting to think about. I wouldn't this panel seems like a already something that is pushing back on what seems to be the thoughtless aspect is people saying it's value neutral, or perhaps that it's generative actually because what's interesting about the work I know of the five of you actually, but then also what you know you're you're explicitly talking about in in everything that you were talking about making is that you're actually pointing you seem to be pointing out how artists point out that this is a very human tool, and there is the human thing behind it so I'm absolutely terrified of the embedding of AI in a completely unregulated, you know, only through the interest of a private corporation. That's perhaps dehumanize or something. However, it's like the art with AI and what I just saw with your work. And it's like, kind of slowly, like, actually shows points out that this isn't without an author. I actually didn't. I don't really see that you know you even you saying this image was created by AI I just don't see it that way I mean it's edited it's, it's, it's, it was prompted it was you know whatever so I understand, you know, the AI aspect is something, but in fact you artists seem to be pointing out to us how, you know, that there is a face, and a, and a thinking, you know, non algorithmic thinking being behind it. Right. That that I, you know, I'm not, that's not really pushing back I just wanted to add that I think your art seems to be. Yeah, that's what I mean by a serving a little bit as propaganda. Right. So, well, but just not necessarily making us comfortable that's all I mean I don't see it that way, even the MoMA stuff it's like well that's just a bad. That's just a bad piece of art, perhaps it doesn't necessarily make me comfortable, or me think that AI is cool, necessarily I mean that sounds like I'm pushing back on you but I'm just saying, it could be used that way. But I don't think you all are talking about using it that way. So, yeah. I was very comfortable until I failed the terrain test or I won the terrain test with your piece when I thought like oh no this is a human this is a two guys they're brilliant. It's the second time for me that the terrain test has been failed. It happened in March at the Whitney with the cashier I bought a little pin and it was this Nazi chatbot that they had resurrected did anyone see this. It was something that happened like a few years back, and they had this chatbot, but they fed it through the whole internet so it became fascist. And so Microsoft had to cut it I don't remember is a female name I don't remember but they had resurrected at these artists. And then I talked to the cashier and I was like, she was like yeah it's so crazy. And I'm like yeah right she's like yeah I wouldn't even know if you were a robot. I'm uncomfortable. No, even though you're very optimistic it's not like denial to me you're the wrong. I don't know. I don't know Peter at all. I agree 100% with everything she's saying, I'm trying in my like I said and as I'm going to be 60 years old I'm trying to stand next to it. So you can see me as the artist, even if it's all going down in flames. So that's my optimism is that I'm going to be an artist, oh to the end. So you can watch me as you're choosing AI, you can watch me go down and you can choose the I it's up to the audience. That's my optimism that I'm optimistic, because I'm going to stand up as the artist that's my optimism. You have to juxtapose it. You got to put good next to evil. Yeah, you have to put good next to evil. I had a I had a question actually for the whole panel. I think like a lot of your points are really quite in your projects are really quite interesting. I'm a lot from like, higher knowledge from like not only the system but the thought that surrounds, like, working with these tools. I wonder like, especially now that AI is becoming something that many artists are being asked to engage with at least in various levels of their process like if you could give. If you could, if you could put together like three questions that an artist should ask when thinking about or being asked to like speak about AI in a in some sort of context, whether that's like at the bar or in a in a in a contract or in a in a contract or in a in a sort of a new pitch proposal piece. And that's for the whole panel. Like ethical questions, three ethical questions. I actually don't think it's necessarily only ethical. I think it also could be aesthetic or practical or philosophical. Thank you. Well, well, no one will just one thing that I don't, this is formulating a question but just one thing that I'm noticing is there's sometimes the sometimes the AI is mysterious in its role in the piece. For example, what we just watched do we what do we know what part of it is what part of it is AI, are we as an audience intended to know and be able to distinguish as a question that I have. In my example, there was no question, you know who the AI was and who the real person was it was in your piece I saw there was no question who the human up there was and what the role of the AI was and so one question that comes to my mind is, will it be clear or what's the distinction what's the audience's experience of the thing. I mean, I think it's an excellent question and I guess I would want to know more what's what and my law brain kind of flipped on. And so, in terms of contracts, I would anything that we do work for hire, or do in addition to the internet in any sense, these days, you've got to ask if the material is going to be licensed to third parties, and whether you can opt out of that and get that in writing. Licensing to third parties means it's going to be used for training data. If you do any recording of your own voice, any biometric information photographs of your face, anything that is biological information about you. That is a big red flag. And then I also have some copyright advice but maybe I'll just start a legal clinic. We can talk after if you're happy to look up at your contracts, but I can't give legal advice because I am not a lawyer yet. See where this is going. Thank you for putting together this panel. I'm Saviana Sanesco I'm a playwright, and actually I just completed two productions with AI characters that I wrote. But while I did the research with generative AI, judge EPT and all that, I wrote the characters myself, the line so I kind of outsource the AI only like the research, and then I created the character the dramatic journey is everything. I think that 2.0 was presented in the ice factory festival and emotion is a dance theater piece that was a cherry art and is going to come to New York, but what I like to ask is, though, in my experience, one piece is a dystopia. The AI revolve rebels against the creator, the neuroscientist. The other one is an utopian version, the AI and the human get along very well so I put both things out there. But isn't there, in a way, these AI are just like another medium in the conversation that's theater and the arts. Couldn't we instead of you know sort of resisting it or questioning it so much to just use it as a tool for us humans the creators, and then maybe you know just treat it as just another medium in a multimedia performance. I personally don't see that such a scary tool, although I wrote a dystopian version of it, but more of a, okay, the AI can be a character my character that I write. It can be an actor, it can be a designer, we work with the IS we work with any other human or any other entity, and maybe this is the future that we learn to work with this kind with different entities that are not humans right. So why not. So my question is, do you see any utopian version of this collaboration with the AI. Thank you. I kind of guess we might know Annie's answer so. I'm totally talking way too much and I really apologize I just want to I just want to say that the one of the interesting and a little dystopian maybe things about the big AI companies and a lot of the big Silicon Valley companies is that they're run by people who actually do see this choice as dystopia utopia. They, I don't know if you guys have heard of the sort of test creole or effective altruism long term ism. These are all free banks that evening. One, he's one but he doesn't do AI he does crypto but he that doesn't work out very well for him. But yeah, he's an effective altruist right, but there's an enormous weird ideological component to this, which I would recommend everyone just Google, you know, it and or duck duck go it really and you know, check it out because there is. I agree with you completely. The most likely scenario is neither utopia nor dystopia it's that we have this new thing, which has been more or less imposed on us, we learn to live with it but it makes everything kind of shittier. And so, you know we can learn to live with things being shittier. Things have gotten shittier. We've been dealing with it, but we could also like decide we don't want life to get shittier. And so, in that sense, like, it's not a question of necessarily dystopia, but it's a question of saying, No, we don't actually that's a road we don't like that doesn't lead to anything great for us. That's like, to me that's such a key moment is this. We're on the road, you know, they call it acceleration risk in Silicon Valley, which is like, we don't know what's going to happen but we got to get there first China's coming right after us. You know, like the, it's the, you know, break, move fast and break things is there. Right.  Congress is throws up their hands and says well it's all it's in the system and we're all using it all the time. So I feel like we're at that moment. And that artists do have a chance to like put a little pin in the sand draw a tiny line in the sand and say like in this moment. Pre regulation, just point to it, because in another, whatever, a couple months, couple years, you won't be able to point to it. So that part of it to me is the, like, the dystopian part wins, because it's, you know, infiltrating all of our it's going to be like electricity or the steam engine or anything like that except evil. Exactly. What do you think. No, no, no, go ahead. I just, the thing that comes to mind for me is like the theater of it, you know, that you, the utopia is somewhere in the collaboration that theater requires everybody showing up, even if you've made it in a dark room by yourself everyone showing up to you know, witness it together, people continuing to come together. That to me is, is meaningful. And also, like, just the idea that there's collaborators here who worked on those projects with the robots and and our bond from that collaboration is the thing that is lasting it's not actually the collaboration with the robot that was meaningful, but also expensive and like needed its own plane seat and like what are we doing you know, what are we paying for but but it's you know I wouldn't have done the second piece with being a if we didn't get along so well with Bruce, and Bruce is like the human person in charge of that robot So there's something relational that theater requires that I think I see some light or some, some version of utopia as these tools go. So I'm like the isolation part of it that the things that are left on isolation it's like, we're the, we're the, we're the part that has to persevere and like bring together, you know, is there a question that you'd like to pose to me. Yeah, I am curious because in my situation I was dealing with a thing that was already a character and we were sort of like trying to put like bench like a fence around and be like what is this thing capable of how is it theatrical. So I'm just curious, particularly some folks creating characters using AI as opposed to kind of inheriting a character that I had to deal with and figure out a context for so I'm curious about the how AI is used to create original characters new care. I mean I'm going to say more. Please ask things but um, yeah I would say that the anything that chat to BT created in Prometheus is totally uninteresting to me. It was there as an example. And prompting I think is not interesting I don't think it's an art form I don't think it's even really a skill I think they're trying to convince us it is partly because they're challenging the copyright office's guidance on outputs, and I'm serious. The, so the copyright office has issued guidance that any output of a generative AI is public domain. It can't be copyrighted, because it wasn't made by a person. Tech companies, obviously, would rather that not be the case, because they want to be able to sell their products to movie studios and have movie studios make stuff with AI that they own right. And so, one of the things that they've been wanting they've been doing in terms of their marketing and their hype is really pumping up the discussion of prompting as an art form that you can get better at you can get skill and we're going to have new jobs called prompt engineers. And I believe yeah, it already, I mean this is already happening sorry this is happening happening happening happening. Yeah, right so so the new thing is right instead of a bunch of artists working in a studio, you know, drawing the backgrounds. You're going to have two people three people prompting the AI to do the backgrounds. So that's partly what the labor issues are about. The other part of it is convincing us that prompting is a part of your creative process. And so I want to push back on that. I've played with these things for six years, I think, when they were first being developed. I still can't really tell you what happens with, you know, mid journey if I use this word versus that word. If I change, you know, this phrasing for my prompt or use some other phrasing. I think that you want a picture of a banana it's going to give you a banana right is that art don't know it you know I call it like all said yes yeah we're all right and exactly, and if you nail it to the wall, but you know I consider it like playing the slots. You put a little nickel in that's your prompt. You see what you get. And then if you want to, you don't like the output. So you change your word and then you pull the lever again and you see what you get now. But the relationship between your prompt and your output is completely obscure. And, you know, anyway, I have more obviously to say about this I'm sorry, I think about this basically seven hours, eight hours a day. So, yeah. I think that that's why prompt engineering is becoming a thing is because they're going to push back on uncopy right ability. Yeah, this is an open question this hasn't been decided yet. If you if you write your own model and train it yourself and you've written the code you own the copyright in the code for sure. The training data is another whole copyright issue which is a real quagmire. You know, so this has been the hypothetical that, you know, you use only your own work to train a model that you have written yourself, you on the software you on the training data. And the output we don't know copyright office hasn't said and there hasn't been a court case to decide that. So that's what they call an unresolved issue. But, you know, that's where the tech companies are going to start putting pressure on those open questions to try to get favorable questions and start eating away at the guidance that none of the outputs are copyrightable. And this is how you shift the law is you do test cases where you push on all the little weak spots and all the little hypotheticals. Until you've made the original guidance kind of look like Swiss cheese. It's unclear how much human intervention post generation is required before it becomes something that can be copyrighted. You know, if you take an output from Dolly and you completely change it in all kinds of ways. But we don't know yet. So these are all the kind of live issues but I'm pretty sure that's my prompt engineering is that's what I wanted to say. I'm getting back to the question about Andrew's question about original characters versus word. Did you want to dodge it. I don't know, do you have anything to say as the character. Well, it's funny because it's kind of reverse engineering in a way because I'm the human, but I'm, I'm saying ai's text right and then I have well at this stage of the game anyway there's some kind of neural net.  But the idea is that it's, you know, trying to pump this stuff into my brain and then I am spitting it out right and I have a video mask, I guess, right. So, it's, it's, you know, I keep as the actor as the human I'm like, I don't want to say the shit, why am I saying this stuff you know so like, I'm just thinking a lot about what is my part in it how do I resist this thing. So, it, and, and, you know, and, you know, Annie I saw your show and the, the, it will generate stuff, right, it just makes words that what's the next word what's the next word what's the next word, but they're not that interesting. That's the thing. It's, it's dull. It's kind of like, it's kind of like the idea. It's the idea, but it's with no zero humanity behind it, I guess. So, right. Meaning is incidental. What? The meaning is incidental. Yeah. Well, it doesn't understand meaning. I mean, it has, it's not understanding anything. It's not understanding anything. So. But so here's one. So that's a great example just of character is that, you know, there's this little delicious moment when you see Mo not saying what it's telling her to say. And she breaks out for a second, you know, that's the half the Halloween mask. So I think like staging that is very delightful because you keep looking for the human to like peep out for a second. And it's that like the duet between the or the tension there that I think is worth, you know, staging as a character. Oh, again. Well, maybe my, my question follows are very nicely from that, because we've been thinking about the use of AI for people making theater and doing theater but what about for the spectators and I'm wondering what are the consequences of AI for spectatorship. At the moment I'm at a point which once I've realized something is AI generated, my brain switches off. That's it. It just, oh, clock. That's it. Next, I don't have a next set and the next level of questions, feelings, ideas that come from that it's purely registration and then and then go on. So I'm wondering how each of you are thinking about spectatorship and, and what, you know, what's good, because there's the, there's the borderline in a moment, which you're describing very nicely going in and out but there's also moments when you can't tell that. And then it's just, you know, the deflation or the explanation for you afterwards read retroactively this is why this was quite dull. And now I know. Next. Yeah, I'm wittering now. Well, I mean, I think what we're going to what we're doing in this show is we're also trying to deploy a lot of swarming technology so that the audience can, you know, essentially kind of affect which way the performance is going.  Yeah, when you have no idea and you have no tools to know then why should you care. I think about, you know, the most when the second piece we made made was called an evening with being a 48 and it was Lynn at a restaurant at a table at a blind like in a restaurant at the frying pan at a, and people were watching her have a blind date with this robot. And Lynn was the most interesting part you quickly you're like oh this thing's like and like it's interesting you're like, and sometimes you're like what did they just say, you know, and it's like so nonsensical that your human sense making brain is like oh that's interesting I guess but watching Lynn deal with it and have to improvise and keep keep it going was was what was like the hook right so that's I guess why it came to my mind, the question of like, what can we tell, can we tell if it is or not because to me, if you can tell what is and is not, you can hook into the thing that is not and still find like a lot of value in the in the performance. I just want to bring up real quick because this that what this reminds me of in a strange way and I can be completely wrong or it might just be relative to my experience. I'm a musician I put years of my life into learning how to play instruments and put bands together and go up on stage and play and go into recording studios and multi track and mix it all together. I'm a Kurtz while if anyone knows who he is, who is the he's leading research at Google now created a book called Age of Spiritual Machines. He created a thing called a sampler and overnight, the music industry flipped upside down, and all these great records that I loved and I listened to him a funk a tier George Clinton James Brown all this great music instantly was recycled and created and now all these musicians and all these artists and all these producers all these art forms that it takes to make a George Clinton record now could just be with one button on a keyboard and you just take a few seconds of it and now you go make hit records and you're left into dust.  So but I get the same feeling a little bit of like what I'm what I'm here it's a fee it's more of a feeling thing that not so intellectualized but as the conversation keeps going on. That's kind of what it seems like. Well I think the thing I just keep want to say Naomi Klein wrote this brilliant piece about this, which is that essentially what's what's happening is that Google and Microsoft and are are walling off that information to make it proprietary and to sell it back to you. But the information is scraped from things that you made things that we all wrote and made right and faces and tweets and etc etc so that's the part that I that sticks so badly is that it's being proprietized. That's not a, you know, not a unique point but it's like that's part of enclosure. You know, I mean again. There was a moment that you're describing when sampling started to become popular and people really weren't sure what it would mean for the original musicians. So in these days, I dare you try using a sample and not crediting or paying the person who sent right well. But it's been, but it shifted underneath you so what they did now is they created Dawes which are digital audio workstations that have all the samples in the dog, which doesn't go back to the musician they're all in there by a dog set it up use it and it's all in there. I'm trying to say that that's the only difference. I mean that yes there was a moment of uncertainty. Yeah, and it resolved itself to the benefit mostly of the big record companies and big labels. So, you know, it's true that we love sampling like that we don't have a problem with sampling, but one of the things that has happened over many years is that more and more power has accrued to these giant corporate artists and less and less power has been held by the artists and the creators. So I wouldn't you know I think maybe your story actually kind of tells has the opposite moral. Then maybe what you intended is like yes we're in a similar situation now where we're not sure how this technology is going to be incorporated into our lives what it's going to mean for all of us what it means for artists what it means for the culture. But if history is a guide, you know, we probably should not be fully embracing it without doing some careful thinking about how we want to use it if at all. Yeah, so that's that's all I wanted to say is there's another way of thinking about that. And also you might have read me wrong no I think it is shittier I actually think it was better like I said I'm an analog advocate. And I think now they'll just find another way to flip it like once they did legalize it and finally George Clinton finally got all his money when he was old and, and then it was over and then he basically retired. But then they figured out another way to do it one Spotify remove the power of the musician anyway, which in a way is kind of an AI. And obviously the digital audio workstations is full of I if you go into music programs with that running max and obviously garage band AI is running through all that for years now you can literally it prompt. That's what I did a lot of music that you hear in there. I know music I know composition so I know how to speak and prompt language for music I have to talk to arrangers have to talk to musicians I have to talk to producers. So there's a musical language there which I'm able to utilize and the AI has been taught that music, the language so it actually pulls that back and does it so I can take anything that's out there. They already have that built into the digital audio workstation so there's people now worse than sampling, because at least you knew that cool music you learn about and I thought that's James Brown let me go check out James Brown. But now with the digital audio workstation this hit records that are being made you don't even realize that they're not making it at all the software is 100% well I mean sorry sorry sorry I apologize to everybody, really. The one generative AI product, the one class of products that is trained only on public domain work is the music generating. And that's entirely because the music industry is incredibly litigious and super super powerful. So the authors get nothing, the painters get nothing, the digital artists get nothing, none of us get anything. But the record companies have made sure that open AI is music generating products, you know all these different music generating products are trained only on public domain work or licensed to the gills. And open AI it's amazing they will say the reason we do that is because we have copyright concerns in the same breath that they defend as fair use what they're doing to visual artists and what they're doing to authors. I think I think the point that also that I hear sully making is perhaps that even if the music generation or even if the dolls are working with stuff that's free and clear in terms of copyright.  And I think that the other point that I heard in the mix which I think that you both agree on is that the artist is getting the short end of the stick at the end of the day. But I think that the question I also also heard sully asking was, but do audiences care. That's what I was Oh, yes, do audience, you know do audiences care, us as artists care, but you know, we'll, I mean, we'll, again, that's why I say it's a totally different pool. And I agree with Claire, you know big surprise shocker everyone that when I find out something is made with generative AI I'm like, But that's partly because you're not making anything cool with I mean because it doesn't it's it's doing the thing it's making all the interesting all the important decisions itself. The results are shitty. So that's not the case with a lot of hip hop. Well, so I am getting the signal from Anne of prelude that our time has ended. I'm sure there's opportunities for people to talk to each other on the way out of the room. If you have questions that you might want to ask to a panelist that you didn't get to talk to, or not, people may be running, but I think we have to continue in the lobby, and we'll turn over the room. Thank you.


So today we have a technology teaser of the things we can do with Pantahub and Pantahub. In this case, we have a Raspberry Pi over here which is running a Debian image. You can see it here on the screen. What we're going to do, this device is connected to Pantahub and through our tooling, we're going to send a full Android system to that device completely remotely with no user interaction. You don't have to take your SD card out or anything like that. So for that you can come with me to the screen. Over here we can see the representation of our device. Basically it shows us the revision it's on, that there was a previous update which finished and this is the name of our device. What we're going to do is that over here we have something that we call a checkout of the device. We have one that has an Android image as well as a Raspberry Pi BSP. What we're going to do is we're going to send this to that device right there. For that we basically have a syntax such as this one. The device name is ELCD2A, that's Debian 2 Android. All the objects are posted and their new firmware revision is posted to the device. We can continue seeing here on the screen that the device now has a new revision available, now it's in progress, the objects have been downloaded and it's now rebooting. So if we take a look at the screen we can see that that is the case. It's no longer on Debian, it's begun its reboot process after processing the update. So now it will try to bring up Android. Now the important part about this is that we're just sending literally a complete new system firmware with a new kernel, with an Android vendor partition, all the things that make up an Android system all completely remotely and over the air. I didn't take the SD card out, I didn't flash anything new, I didn't do anything, you know, anything weird. It's just all magically going over the cloud. For that you can go to pantahub.com and try to follow some of our documentation. There are demos up there, we're going to have a guide about this specific demo up soon in our blog and that's pretty much it. You can take a look at the screen now and we can see that at least the Android boot animation is coming up. It takes a little bit for Android to load the first time of course because it has to install all of the system APKs. It works just like a phone, perfectly fine, there's nothing random happening. These are all things to the containerization that Pantamizer allows you to do. Through our near bare metal containerization you can go from a completely different system to another. Going from a Debian to an Android system is a complete, you know, lane change that before would have required a lot of user intervention and right now you can just do it with a normal remote OTA. So if we go back to the screen we will eventually see our little Android logo come up. There we go, perfect. And the launcher should slide in and that's it. Android deployed in a Debian Raspberry Pi as an OTA. Thank you.


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I'd like to celebrate today the remarkable achievements of a young woman from Ellis Township in Perth County named Amanda Broadhagen. Amanda has recently joined the team at the Roll Voice, a magazine printed in Blythe that covers news in Huron Perth, Bruce Gray, Wellington and Oxford counties. Prior to joining the publication, she had the opportunity to participate in a mentorship program with the Cattleman's Young Leaders Program, where she was paired with Saskatchewan MLA Dr. Lauren Hubworth. In an article she said, that is thanks to this experience that she felt compelled to share how mentorship has helped give her a leg up in the agricultural industry, and incidentally it has become a passion of hers. And it was this passion that generated recognition for her and she was selected as one of nine women across the country and the only one from rural Canada to be featured in a go-get featured contest run by Fido and Flare Magazine.  And she also shared her dream of working with an agricultural women's network to establish a mentorship program for women. And the speaker might recall that when the Commonwealth Women's Parliamentarians hosted their outreach program in Ontario in 2015, Amanda was one of the people who participated. And I'd like to thank in some small way we helped inspire her as well. Amanda's experience is growing up on her family's beef cattle farm, coupled with her youthful perspective on local issues and passion for helping and inspiring others will make her a wonderful addition to the publication's roster of freelance writers. Congratulations Amanda. I do remember and yes indeed you should take credit. The member from Hamilton, Stony Creek on statements. Thank you Mr. Speaker. I rise to address an issue that has been eating away at me for quite a while now. The Ministry of Community Services Amendment Act, also known as Bill 6. This is a good piece of legislation is going to create an evidence-based research commission that would make recommendations to our government on what Ontario social assistance rate should be year to year and in each region. This is an effective way to deal with poverty. This bill has come before this house many times and each time it's been passed by flying colors and second reading. The last time this happened Premier Wynn even stood up with her Liberal colleagues and applauded it. The Liberals have had plenty of opportunity to pass this bill since then. They are letting the bill sit preventing it from going before committee hoping that it's going to wither and die. It's ironic that the advocate of a similar bill was Liberal Ted McMeacon. There are many strong advocacy groups in my writing and the city of Hamilton have fought tooth and nail to see Bill 6 pass. The Hamilton round table for poverty reduction. The Hamilton organization for poverty elimination. The campaign for adequate welfare and disability benefits. And the advocacy committee for Bill 6 throughout the province. I commend them for their dedication speaker. I hope that the Liberals won't let their efforts go for not. I stand in this house today not with a question speaker but a request of the government. Don't let impoverished Ontarians continue to suffer. Do the right thing and bring Bill 6 forward. Thank you. Thank you very much. Mr. Speaker and I'd like to say a few words about Anglis Devlin who passed away in Ottawa last week. And I have to say I've only known Agnes for about two years. I got to meet her at Altavista Manor where my in-laws live and I'm there quite frequently visiting. And I got to know her over two years. And what I found and what I found actually in the words. Wonderful words that I found the Ottawa citizens morning are some things about Agnes that I didn't know that she was a woman of great strength, love and faith, a wonderful mother, not only to her old children but also to many others. Always ready to expand the family dinner to include someone who might be alone. Agnes lived by the maxim not all of us can do great things but we can all do small things with great love. She was always there to answer the call whenever there was a need that she became aware of. Her great love guided her action. She was a tireless worker for the poor. And she did great things. The most enduring was as a founding member and volunteer of the Shepherds of Good Hope where she remained a committed volunteer for 25 years. The Agnes Devlin Volunteer Award of which she was the first recipient continues to be awarded by the Shepherds of Good Hope. She was renowned for her ability to turn the food that was available into a great meal. Agnes lived a full life and I will miss her. Whenever I went to visit Alta Vista Manor, I'd say hi Agnes how you doing? And she said not too bad how are you love consistently and I'm gonna miss that. And you know Agnes raised up the people around her with her deep faith, her devotion, her charity. So to Agnes' children and their families and need all those who are grieving the loss, a life filled with kindness both great and small is something to celebrate. Thank you very much Mr. Thank you. Thank you very much Mr. Speaker. On Thursday September 14th the Strathroy Middlesex Hospital Alliance held its fifth annual busting out event raising funds for new diagnostic equipment in SMHA's breast assessment program. The key to this program is that local women may receive breast cancer diagnosis treatment and even reconstruct reconstructive surgery at their local hospital. Because of this early assessment program doctors have been able to detect and diagnose one new unsuspected case of breast cancer per week. SMHA surgeons have committed to seeing new patients within 14 days of diagnosis. Finally thanks to the efforts of the local community the breast assessment program has fundraised for all new diagnostic equipment. Over the last four years more than $116,000 has been raised at busting out for breast cancer services in the many communities surrounding Strathroy.  Thank you. Thank you. Other members statements the member from Toronto Danforth. Speaker thank you I rise to address the impact of regional express rail on my community. A rail line cuts diagonally across my riding and currently Metrolinx is planning to increase all-day commuter traffic on the line very substantially. Summer of 2016 I canvassed from one end of the line to the other in my riding to let people know what was happening and to hear their concerns. I welcome the investment in transit and the upgrade to electrified trains from diesel and so do most of my constituents. At the same time the communities that run alongside the rail are very concerned about the increase in noise and vibration as well as the potential large-scale loss of trees along the length of the line that provide a visual screen. Trains that now pass people's homes every 15 minutes will be passing their homes every two to three minutes. This will have a substantial impact. Again people know that action has to be taken to address congestion but they also believe they should be treated fairly and that there needs to be substantial investment to reduce the impact on their homes. I'll be convening a meeting with my constituents next Wednesday October 4th at the Ralph Thornton Centre starting at 7 p.m. to discuss the issues and to provide an opportunity for my constituents to question representatives from Metrolinx. The Minister of the Environment and Climate Change will shortly be reviewing the Metrolinx application. I ask him to do all he can to address my constituents concerns. Thank you. Thank you for the member's statements. The member from Brampton Springdale. Thank you Mr. Speaker. I rise today to talk about a leading channel with fantastic multicultural programming that's available 24 hours a day and seven days a week. Punjab TV is celebrating two years serving the community across the greater Toronto area and around the world broadcasting on various platforms. Punjab TV offers the latest news and current affairs programming in Punjabi from Punjab, India and Canada with studios in Armetsar, Jolander, Moga and Chandigarh in India and Toronto and Canada. The 24-7 channel is available on iOS Apple at Android stores also on Bell and Rogers. With local international news and total entertainment including music, comedies, movies, game shows and many many more. Punjab TV provides high quality Punjabi informative programming with news, documentaries and discussions on local issues and talks and talk shows through its exclusive content relationships with leading content providers in India and North America. I want to congratulate my good friends Jesse Sarai and Prince Santu and all the host and staff and volunteers of Punjab TV as they celebrate their second anniversary. This year they also hosted their free second Canada Day celebration with thousands of people in attendance at the Bramley Go station. This is an event that they will continue to host over the years and continue to grow. I want to take this opportunity to congratulate them on their success in such a short period of time. Thank you Mr. Speaker. Thank you. Member of Students, the member from Leeds Grenville. Speaker, when a crisis happens in my riding, victim services of Leeds Grenville is there 24-7 to help people on the worst day of their lives. But today these workers are themselves in a crisis, one created by this government's chronic underfunding. Speaker, the role of victim services isn't limited to the first few hours of any incident. They're mandated to provide ongoing support. This includes developing safety plans for victims of sexual assault, domestic violence and human trafficking. Yet base funding from the Attorney General only covers initial contact. And even then, funding is totally inadequate as it's based on 849 new victims. Here's the problem, Speaker. Last year they had 1,175 new victims. They're on pace this year to be close to 2,000. You can imagine how this affects their staff. The stress of doing the impossible day after day has them overwhelmed. And I fear some may be at the breaking point. The Attorney General knows this because the board wrote the ministry a year ago to warn, and I quote, the impact this situation is having on our staff's mental health and our ability to continue service delivery in a rural environment. Shamely, it took over eight months to get a response that glossed over the crisis by describing the dramatic increase in cases as good news. That's unacceptable. It's time the Attorney General answered the plea of victim services in my riding by increasing funding to match the reality they face. Thank you. Member from Trinity, Spadina. Thank you, Speaker. Last winter I had the pleasure to attend a mass dinner at HMCS for York in my riding of Trinity, Spadina, where I was invited to their Canadian Leaders at Sea program. I rise today to thank both Lieutenant Commander Craig Rubeshar and Vice Admiral Ron Roy, Ron Roy and the Royal Canadian Navy for this rare opportunity to learn more about our naval forces. Canadian's Navy has approached traditions since its founding in 1910. In the Battle of Atlantic, the Navy completed 25,343 crossings and Canada lost 24 ships and 1,797 sailors, unfortunately. It was these supplies that helped change the outcome of the war. Currently, a new fleet of ships are being built to replace the old frigates. These ships will improve the fleet's ability to perform their duties while promoting economic growth across Canada. Our Navy may not be the biggest in size, but its sailors' professionalism, skill and passion is second to none in the world. In Commodore Skerpin's awards, I challenge you to find one sailor who doesn't love his or her job. Speaker, I'd like to tell you a brief story. While on the tour, I asked a young bomb disposal specialist, why would you choose a such dangerous job? He said, well, sir, I'm good at it, and someone has to do it. I encourage the House to join me in recognizing our sailor's bravery, commitment and sacrifice in protecting us and what Canada stands for. Thank you, Speaker. Thank you. Further member statements? The member from Bruce Gray on sound. Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. I rise to say a few words on this most solemn occasion. After 11 successful years of the world's most famous weather prognosticating groundhog, Wyrton Willie passed away in his home in Wyrton on Saturday, September 16. Willie was 13, but he lived three times longer than your average groundhog. As a former coordinator of the Groundhog Day Festival, I can attest to the fact that our community has been so fortunate to have Willie, a unique albino prognosticator like no other. So to Pennsylvania's Punxsutawney fill, Nova Scotia's Shubhanakini Sam, Balzac Billy, the Prairie prognosticator, and all the other Willie wannabes, I have to say sorry, but none of you stack up to our Wyrton Willie. Mr. Speaker, this has been a rough couple of months for the South Bruce Peninsula community. Willie's passing comes just one month after the passing of the founder of the Wyrton Willie Festival, the iconic Mack MacKenzie, who together with the help of many dedicated volunteers and sponsors, made February 2nd a major family festival for the town of Wyrton. Since it started in 1956, the Groundhog Day Festival has been helping fill local hotels, restaurants, and shops, and help support the economy of our entire region. Thousands of visitors have come annually to see if Willie will see a shadow and forecast six more weeks of winter or an early spring. Willie has put Wyrton on the worldwide tourism map. In Willie's honour, the community will be holding a state funeral with speeches and celebration of his life in Saturday, September 30th at 11 a.m. in Wyrton's Blue Water Park. But without a shout of a doubt, the community of Wyrton and South Bruce Peninsula will be ready for next year's Groundhog Day. In fact, there's a word that Willie's two-year-old understudy will assume the starting role representing Wyrton as the world's foremost weather prognosticator. I invite all members to join us in Wyrton on February 2nd, 2018, and meet Willie. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I'm tempted, but I'm not going to say it. I thank all members for their statements.


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that the enemy is after you and he's after two things and two ways is he's after you that I want to focus in on is first off he wants to create isolation in you and surround you with toxic people those are the two ways that I want to focus there's a whole lot more of course that I can list and list on but the two ones that I want to talk about is isolation and toxic people isolation will always make you feel like people are the problem and number two toxic people will always make you feel like you're a problem so isolation is completely the enemy's plan even every time people are in war what the enemy will do even in natural wars is that the best place for you to be attacked is when you are isolated so here's a couple of statistics on isolation that I found quite interesting is that what isolation does is what when your world dies before you do so a psychologist said that and before I read the statistics is that your world dies before you do a terrible and the most saddest feeling to feel is when you're trying to move with your life or try to live but you're truly not living you're truly not living to your fullest potential because everything enemy is already taking everyone is against you everyone's against you and everyone's out to hurt you and one of the things that it said is that social isolation is a growing epidemic in America loneliness has doubled from 20 percent to 40 percent since the 1980s individuals with less social connection have disrupted sleep patterns altered immune system more inflammation and higher levels of stress hormones which causes diabetes with cut which causes heart disease and so on and so forth I isolation increases the risk of heart disease by 29 percent and stroke by 32 percent this is my last one I want to read to you guys on socially isolated individuals had a 30 percent higher risk of dying in the next seven years and that is the effect which was largest in middle age we need to be surrounded by people God did not design you to be isolated for you not to have people that will love on you and to build life with he did not design it that way God does not want you to be alone for he said as I bring back that scripture Genesis 2 18 he says for it's not good for man to be alone we need each other you guys all know that the worst pain comes from a person and the greatest joy comes from the person so even though someone may have hurt you in the past and there's no trust at all it is taking that risk taking that step and saying even though I feel this way I'll take a step the enemy is afraid of you he is afraid of you I'm gonna tell you the devil is powerful but he's predictable and he knows how this works and he knows first is that he wants to kill your identity so that you never walk in confidence of who you are so that's what he does he isolates you to remove people to build you up and then he gives you toxic people to destroy what you think you are okay so he will try he knows how you work because once you discover what you're about once you discover who you truly are in Jesus Christ that he says you can trample over scorpions that you can cast out demons that you are victorious that you are more than a conqueror come on now if you only knew what you are capable of if you only knew things would be absolutely different so he is after your identity so he wants to make you alone so that no one will tell you different what we need to do this year is to get rid of some to get rid of the people that are burdening you and the reason why I say is that you don't want to say I'm better than you see ya later you don't want to ever do that absolutely not because one day you will influence them yes amen because it's either right now you're they're influencing you or you influencing them there's no middle there's no middle so if you are in a position where they're influencing you walk away and once you are strong enough and you have other people surrounding you then you go back and get them over here to your side amen so with with your influence because you have it the enemy wants to surround you with the people that will try to destroy your name try to bring you down break you down trying to make you feel that it's always your fault by manipulating you by all of those things there's so many types of people that psychologists have listed that state how a toxic person is negative breaking you down instead of building you up corrupting your integrity suffocation manipulation removing faith and adding doubt now I want to speak to some people that have been in a battlefield of being afraid to let go of their friends because I know that there's people out there that have this problem I've had that problem too and I was afraid to let them go because I didn't want to be alone and I felt like I worked so hard to get these friends but at the end of the day they didn't really care when I left so but the point is is that if you stayed with them what's gonna happen is is that you should be afraid to not leave your friends but be afraid of that you will never become of your destiny and it's it it's not about being afraid to leave the people but be afraid that your destiny will never come up now if you're thinking oh my friends don't have that much power over me well I want to tell you that thinking is wrong and there's a scripture that I want to share with you that happened all of you know the story of David and Gideon yes now before David was about to take David and Gideon Goliath I'm so sorry yeah they all came together there was such great man of valor no the story of David and Goliath now Goliath comes and he starts to speak against the men of God God's people and says who will challenge me for 40 days and for 40 nights all of these men were afraid of this Goliath he was kind of scary looking I'm sure and so everyone was afraid and holding back now here comes David walking in and he starts to ask questions now it says in 1st Samuel 17 if you guys want to follow and verse 26 David asked the soldiers standing nearby what will a man get for killing this Philistine and ending his defiance of Israel who is this pagan anyway that he's allowed to defy the armies of the living God so he's kind of like who is this guy like trying to you know bring down our God and make him think that he's terrible or something like that but then jump to verse 28 it says but when David's oldest brother Elab heard David talking to the men he was angry what are you doing around here anyway and he skips to verse 29 says what have I done now David replied I was only asking a question he walked over to some others and asked him the same thing and received the same answer then David's question was reported back to Saul and the king sent for him now I just really want to take this and I'm gonna wrap this up is that his brother Elab his three older brothers were exactly those toxic people he said who are you aren't you supposed to go back to the sheep what do you think you're doing go sit back down don't you dare go and try to start asking questions what those negative people were trying to do is stop him from becoming one of the greatest men of God in the Bible try to stop him from fighting that Goliath what would have happened if David was with those brothers he would have been one of those brothers that were standing 40 days and 40 nights but but because he wasn't hanging out with them he became that day that God called them to be and he walked into his destiny amen hey guys it's Bryson and I'm so glad that you made it to life group this week real quick I just want to take a second and fill you in on some information that you may not know about our church first thing is that we have growth track every single Sunday of the month and it's a great place to get plugged in and connected if you're not already plugged in so make sure you make it this Sunday also we have every third Sunday of the month water baptisms if you are saved but you haven't been water baptized make sure you talk to your life group leader for more information and lastly on June 28th through the 29th we have what we call our freedom weekend it's an encounter weekend where there's going to be healing there's going to be deliverance there's going to be food it's going to be an amazing time that you don't want to miss so make sure you're listening up for information in these next couple weeks about this event anyways God bless you guys


Welcome back. You're still watching Waze. National Waffle Day is celebrated August 24th in the United States. It commiserates the anniversary of the patenting of the first waffle iron in the United States by Cornelia Swartout of Troy, New York on the 24th, 1869. The first waffle was made in Belgium in the 13th century. They were made by pouring batter into mold with a gilded pattern on the bottom. The waffles were cooked over a fire over time. The waffles spread out into other parts of Europe and eventually to the United States. Waffle Day. Happy Waffle Day. Happy National Waffle Day. I think the person that created the waffle is actually a genius. They should stop all those Akara waffles and those waffles. Don't want the Nigerians to be extra. I don't understand it. When I started to see pink waffles, green waffles. The latest one I saw is Akara waffles. This is creativity if you ask me. Maybe it's for children because they make their food. For some of them, it has to look good to taste good. If it doesn't look good, they're not eating it. But I love waffles in ice cream. It's like that with whipped cream. To believe that waffles started, I think some of these things for us in Nigeria, waffles started with toast. That's what we used to think was waffles. Toast bread, they now put honey on it or you put butter on it.  Now is Waffle Day and I wish all of you happy National Waffle Day. Have a waffle today. This time of the night. What did you find in the news? My guy, Nyesum Wiki, is allowed to give them hot hot in the city. I love it actually. This guy is allowed to bring in some serious discipline into the FCT. The FCT is slowly becoming likely to go again. All that nonsense, monorailism, local driving anyhow. They have these very wide roads and then you just see people doing all sorts. He says he is there now to bring the signings back. Unfortunately, I don't live in Abuja. This is the time to move. So this is him what? The collapsed building, I think yesterday. Now he has ordered the arrest of the landlord of the building. Let me just take the story very quickly. This was by Daily Post and it was said that the Minister of the Federal Capital Territory has ordered the arrest of the landlord of the collapsed two-story building. Daily Post also reported that the FCT police announced on Thursday in a statement that there were two people that died while 20 others have never quitted to the hospitals as rescue operation continues. It's not to say you stay here and about collapsed buildings. You know why I love this? Usually in Lagos, I'm sorry to say but what we usually hear is we commiserate with the families of the lost lives and blah blah blah. So this is a man of action as much as we all say this is that. He has now said that the owner of this video will be brought to law because there are certain approvals that this person probably did not get, meaning that some investigation will be done at least to find out because a lot of people over time, they avoid all these supposed guidelines that help them to make sure the building and the construction is done properly. Yeah, so that's it. Wow. OK, so what I found in the news was so Ketensha said, stop putting young lives at risk.  I don't know. I think that I look here agree. I don't know. I don't know. Maybe in this recent time and age, I'm not particularly sure the purpose of NYC anymore. I feel like it has lost its initial purpose. Yeah, because I know that's one of the reasons why NYC was encouraged is because we have people come from different parts of Nigeria. Some people that have even gone to study abroad, they come back to the country, mix up with different people, and we're having this country on backstage, and my desk is tired. She said, do you know how NYC has impacted people's lives? Because of NYC, honestly, I met the person that helped to literally change the trajectory of my life during my NYC. Well, congratulations! Well, you're one out of how many people? Look, the major reason why she was even quoting for this crap... I'm not disputing the fact that NYC hasn't helped a lot of people. It has. You know, for a lot of people who didn't, maybe you either didn't go to a boarding house, so you didn't know how to take care of yourself and your environment, you know, how to mingle. So there are different things you can pick up. A lot of people, they had like pageants and all that. Then for some other people, it was when maybe they first had their first exercise because you used to have like... Some people made their raids. Some people made their, you know, their spouses, and all that. But then again, the main reason why she, you know, urged the government to actually scrap this NYC is because of the insecurity in the country right now. I don't think any parents would love their children to go and willingly serve in the nuts when they are not going by air. Going by road is very... It's not so safe right now. That's the major reason why she asked for this crap of NYC. On that note, I agree. Because there is kidnap. If they are not kidnapping, you are on no sense. They are always in the forefront. You know what I mean? There's one thing or the other. So until Nigeria is safe enough, actually and can be accounted for... Will we ever be safe enough? My dear sister, how do I vote for that question now? So that's another side of it. Will we ever be safe enough for us to say, okay, let's put back NYC? So what's the way forward? The one that's scrapping off the table is off the table. Because I don't even see the use at this point. Well, that's you. Some people still see it. Some people think that that's... Some people to some people, that's the pen that is given to them. Well... They are different reasons why people see it. I saw one sweet and girls like, you see this old NYC thing? It can be two or three mil max. I don't know about doing NYC. It can come in as an email. I think it's more about the experience. The experience has been dented. Because the truth is, if you go to some NYC camp, you will not want to be there. So imagine when you're supposed to have an experience, and then you go there and you are suffering. You have an experience all the same. Well true. The experience can be either good or bad. Nobody ever said you were going to get five star lunch. What are you even asking for five star lunch? They don't want to talk to us. What are you even asking for five star lunch? Anything but at least the basics. What's the basics? There's no water. There's no water. Oh, trust me. There's no water. There's no water. I'm sorry. I said in Lagos, we have water. See. You can't compare someone. I'm not even going to say what I said. But we also had issues with water. But yeah, these things happen. Okay. Iris, I cover my wisdom. I agree, Shah, that they should scrap NYSE. I, I, I think the size is safe. So on that, on that note, I'm indecisive because I still see some of the good that it brings for certain people. So if you have a generation of, if you have 1,000 people and is able to help 500 people to become better in their lives, whatever area of life, whether social skills, personal skills, personal hygiene, what have you, if it helps them, then that's good. Now the other side about the insecurity, now that insecurity affects every area of our lives. It's not just NYSE. So even if they, they're not on the NYSE, you know. Well none that they say, NYSE, they are going to be they are going to be putting them at war fronts. So what should we do about that?  What should we do about that? Okay. I like to sell my country and they said they want to put me in the war front. What should I do? Well, I'm sure, I'm sure we'll have that because I love to hear about that because I'm wondering how manual war and walking up the hill equates to real war fronts. Well, it's okay. Thank God, I have served years ago. Do you guess? And I would not be nominated to Jesus. So my news is quite, you know, I've got to just run to it. So students of the River State University had to stage a protest over rampant robberies, robbery attacks in their hostels. They staged a protest because a few of them were attacked the night before. Their valuables were cut out of the way and as well they were alleged rape of some female students. So if that video can be put up, you would see how much chaos this has cost and a lot of, you know, uncertainty for some of the female students because it goes back to what we were just talking about, the insecurity. And I said that the insecurity is happening everywhere. It's not just that the NYSE comes. This is a university. I am almost so certain that part of the culprits of this, part of the people who, if they are eventually caught, you'll find out that they are students. They are your classmates. They are your colleagues. They are there. They know. Because that's the thing about social media. When you're on the phone and you're having conversations, oh, Baba is giving me 500,000. A lot of people are listening to that conversation. That's why you have to always be careful. Because that's the thing. Because why would someone, there was even a part of this, this is just the video of the protest. But there was even a part of it. You know, when you look, because there were several pictures, when you look at some of the pictures, they dug a hole through the wall and everything. These are all information that is within the school. It's not anywhere else. The culprits are within the school system. And it just goes to, it always goes back to tell you or to show you the kind of mindset we have coming up, the younger generation. We thought our generation was a make money fast. This one is make money quick. This one is make money. Make money now now. As in now now dot com. That's what it is. Because when you hear some of the things that they voice and they say, you are just looking at them like, are you? Are you? No. Very, very. I don't know if you are, if you can be redeemed with this line of thinking. And well, anyway. This is Will. Thoughts for another day. So, we'll go on a short break. See you after the break.


One of the main providers of tower space started to request us the double of the fee to maintain the antennas on their towers. Just thinking, one week I think, no more, we start to build our own towers. This site was built at the end using a helicopter and was able to bring here more than 50 cubic meters of concrete and all the iron needed, all the pieces for this tower. The shelter also was a work that was almost impossible to do here in the others' voices, you know. Right, everyone was saying no go. No. Right. It was expensive with helicopters but it was nice. I was proud of them because the money are not everything. To win a challenge or to realize something that people say is not possible, we satisfy you.


You ever wonder what the possibilities are for the future of the Phillipsburg Mall location? Hey there, njrew22.com here with a little real estate general interest log for njrew22.com. Yeah, I just kind of repeated myself. We're curious about this shopping mall. We know for a fact that shopping malls in this area pretty much have passed their peak. There's no argument about that. We think the main reason is because of the changing economy and how people buy things. People love just buying things on their phones or their app, getting it in a day and free returns. It's made the malls obsolete because they're more expensive. It requires you have to go to the store and deal with a bunch of jerks in the store. The overhead is just not there. It's not good because a lot of these companies are publicly held. They can't justify their losing revenue and all that stuff. I'm just wondering is this big mall behind us? It's a large parcel of land. What do you think the future would bring for this space? One option is maybe they can recover and become a big bustling shopping mall again. It's not impossible. It's not out of the question because there's always new businesses that blow up really quickly and have thousands of locations like that five below is one store that turned into a really big operation because they had a nice low price point. All China made stuff anyway. I'm sure that maybe there might be a little burst of rejuvenation, but it would never last long. I think whoever, if anybody ever tries to get into a mall space that's fledgling, it won't last long. Another possibility is that it could become a logistics center because in Phillipsburg, New Jersey, we just did a post a week or two about the logistics centers that have come out of nowhere. There was none no major logistics center. It's like five years ago in Phillipsburg. Now there's four with a fifth coming online soon. That's like two million square feet of distribution space.  They're complicated. It's not just a warehouse full of stuff. There's a lot of things going on in terms of last mile deliveries and just in time fulfillment and so on. I'm just wondering if maybe Phillipsburg, New Jersey, that area, it's a little Pat Kong, Pol Hat Kong and all these other Greenwich and all this other stuff. Maybe that's as many as they can have because they're not even fully yet and I don't know who would be there. It would be like you would think the top two Walmart and Amazon, but what else? Target might can have one. UPS and FedEx could have a distribution center there. I'm still on the fence on whether that spot would become a logistics center, the sixth one in Phillipsburg. I think the most promising outcome for this space is just a giant residential spot like one of these like the model home things because there's a little community right next door to this location and with all these new logistics centers opening up and replacing the mall stores that once were there, they need more housing. I mean Phillipsburg has a pretty decent representation, but they probably want some upscale housing which this area doesn't have a lot of and if they have some upscale housing, you can get some executives to live right near these logistics centers and I don't know what kind of jobs these logistics centers will have. It will be all low income or low wage jobs, but you obviously need some high skilled people still working there to manage the whole place. So I think that's what's going to happen.  They should just take the best deal for now in today's dollars because today's dollars are worth more than 10 years from now dollars. Either way, it's very interesting to see this once. I remember in the 70s malls were all that and it was crowded.  Now there are tumbleweeds going through these parking lots. So it's going to be very interesting to see where we go in the future of retail and brick and mortar businesses. So that's it. If you liked the video, please hit the bell and subscribe. I hope I get to, I'm getting close to 100 subscribers. So that's great. Have a great day.


Looks like Smirnov spiked sparkling seltzer or zero sugar seltzer has a new major league contender What's happening njvue22.com here with another low carb keto carnivore chat slash booze review and today it is about Michelob ultra seltzer or Michelob ultra organic seltzer or as some people like to say Michelob seltzer This is a new seltzer that came out Recently in our opinion This is the first real contender for Smirnov spiked sparkling seltzer or Smirnov seltzer Let's just refer to it as Smirnov seltzer just a quick background here. There's a reason that Smirnov Seltzer was the top choice for since we've been drinking seltzer for the past couple years It's because they had the best price point a decent alcohol content very low carbs one gram and Like I think a pretty solid price point as well a couple other seltzers came in and threatened the heavyweight champ But it didn't really work out Smirnov always seemed to be our favorite Because some some of the other seltzers either made us feel like crap or they were a little too costly or whatever But this Michelob one is is I think a really serious contender because first of all They're four percent alcohol, which is not a big deal for us because you still get a buzz I figured out that you to get the same buzz as nine Smirnovs you'd have to drink ten Michelobes and at that point who is counting and also This is one of the first seltzers that really is zero grams of carbs and there's none of this this Artificial sweetener the good sweet and whatever it's xylitol or rithvertol. There's none of that It's just plain old alcohol, and I think they really taste good, too. There's three flavors. There's peach pear Spicy pineapple and cucumber lime, and they all taste delicious. If I had to drink them straight. I'd be really happy They still taste really good even when watered down 50-50 the way we like to do We're basically tying them right now for the moment for with Smirnov because they hit all the right points And we we like them a lot the only reason they're not number one on their own is because they're just a couple bucks more Per case two dollars more per case than Smirnov I don't know if you added up. That's a hundred dollars a year staying tide makes me happy for now Maybe if they go on sale, they'll be my number one seltzer, but we are drinking them just as often as Smirnov That's good. It's good to have competition in this world That doesn't prevent us from trying all the other new seltzers out there because we just want to find out What's out there? We like experimenting and that's it if you like this video Please hit the bell and subscribe, and I'll see you next time