my god welcome welcome everybody it would go i feel like i may have screwed up the sound settings there i can't remember you see i can't around with something else you hit it and it was lovely most people hit it i heard you actually i'm gonna call with you so the fact is i did screw it up but it was loud enough that nobody really noticed because you guys were just super quiet for a second well yeah now that you've pointed it out now that you pointed it out it's gonna be on people's but i fixed it while also pointing it out so it's all worked it's perfect nothing's wrong everything's working as intended no worries good observation fair point hello everyone welcome hi it's been five years uh with every year that closes it it's just like what the fuck save doesn't time fly it really do uh time so when you're fleamin time flies when you're having fun watching movies tv shows playing video games looking at little articles clips all the different things in the world media what a miracle and uh i sure do like miracle and media media miracles as you guys are familiar with when we do these sorts of things as the title says we basically just cover everything with everyone buncies now the everyone part is basically people you've been seeing over the course of the year possibly others you know fun times and uh in terms of the everything who knows probably movie related that tends to be the trend but uh thank you all for tuning up look how excited chat i always feel so everybody hello hello and by that because you know it was almost going to be that we wouldn't do any kind of celebration anything unless it looks like every hundred episodes that was the original plan and we were like probably should do it yearly and then it's like yeah shit because it takes us it takes us a whole year to do 50 episodes doesn't the crazy part it's like whenever we get close to me you would well us we're all just like hmm 24 hours hmm and you know it's actually longer than that because of the breaks and the getting up beforehand that's right it wasn't that one year where you two i think it was a 100 what the one you won for like 30 hours yeah 29 29 yeah i made that decision uh i think that was just trying to go for as long as possible all right not a mistake obviously no it was fun that is that as long as possible that is the longest that i have uh i think that's the longest i've ever stayed awake actually don't sell yourself so short is that the longest you've stayed awake for i think so i can't think of any other time i would have stayed up longer than that because you know life is weird i don't know myself i just know that that's that's the limit you can't stay up longer than that that's that's that's that's it that's actually the limit it's not possible yeah it's not possible to stay up any longer than that well whenever you yeah you hear those people who are like i stayed up for like a whole week you're like did you though did you know really did you or did you just stay up for like 29 hours is that what you really mean never understand it it's uh and you have those characters in movies though like i stayed up for a whole week it's like did you did you i don't really know about that that 29 hour one uh right so i went for a walk once we were done with the stream i can't remember if i've said this on stream before but when i was starting you know like the the lamps or the the street lights sort of thing they had intense trails and i was like hmm this is probably not good i'm trying to send me a signal here yeah but something is very wrong and he's very sad and disappointed in me for doing this to him hello metal hi metal you sound earlier than i expected i i missed a whole preamble on the stream we are a little earlier than expected possibly because we're going to try and take advantage of every last second that we're awake so we can get through the 24 also hi theo hello there he was here as well fascinating look at that we're already filling up the the roster it's crazy wow who knows who'll turn up next could be any i don't it could be i sure don't know well what we do know is what the subject's gonna be it's uh it was a tradition that started for some reason there was nothing to it really the in terms of why it had to happen but it did and that is covering uh stealing videos that relate to video games that's that's the usually the first thing i can remember what we did cover on 50th but the i think it was oh was it something with difficulty as like a as a as a video game might have been more recent yeah i don't remember all i remember is 100 was privilege goggles ah he didn't say that didn't he privilege goggles we are also joined by jedi brooks and the movie cynic hello there gentlemen hello my goodness brooks is your image isn't quite loading for me is that for the same for everyone else oh this is fine yeah it's fine all right okay nice to meet you guys yeah i never everyone's saying that everybody because i don't know who's mad at each other or not this whole internet thing is a scary place mad or not yeah i'm starting to lose track can we mad metal uh like that streamer guy right are you the one that really likes the clone wars yeah that's me that's me oh okay i love the clone wars i love sabine wren and bo katan and darth mall and evil evil bastard what's the name of the character savage oppress savage oppress evil bastard somehow i prefer the name evil bastard evil well that's that's the subtlety of phelony writing did you really survive another lightsaber to the gut like i didn't watch it yet but oh yes there's another one that doesn't think he took it like a champ she recovered faster than anyone i've got a wonderful fans probably like what do you think of isoka talk about it's like oh you'll get it you'll get it you'll get plenty of time so come in on the way well tv is definitely isn't terrible in cringe it's very good you'll why would you even think that i don't know why i would think that there was a few people who had hope it's also i don't know why i don't know why stop it it's okay stop eating poopy it's a human thing do them alone we had a few people on open barbie and like why do you guys hate everything because everything is shit because it's like all about all of the third time i like every time someone survived a sad and nor is great yeah we like that we didn't watch it for three months because we weren't that interested in it that is such an obvious like we had no bias that was that was a wonderful thing i don't know how they could still bring that up after andor and helps the dragon like and like like you said pacard season three like there's yeah opportunities for people to be biased yet when it's good it's good like i don't know exactly when it's good it's good well label and dismiss has been a part of most political sort of factions on the internet makes as much sense that would be part of media factions as well i label you as biased bye bye yep and you're not i am i am immune to have no opinion one way or the other yeah that's the crazy part about it good times it all makes sense it all follows through it's wonderful star was in a great position everybody i love star wars you know star wars is great and fun and it's very so reva fennec and now the sabine chick is that three people have been stabbed by the guy they're like insides destroyed quagon is the exception to the role when it was a bit giant like this abdomen actually caused them trouble that moment was so dramatic it made the fight so much more significant and to think that it's aged that poorly because of these stupid shows don't like going back well remember i'm like who cares jedi false healing was a thing too they didn't know oh well take that back he didn't have the book he didn't have raised stupid book he would have figured it out oh my god it's amazing how now even phantom menace for all of its horrific problems because that movie is terrible garbage even now one of the best parts of that movie is going to be ruined because when watching quagon gets stabbed we're like oh walk it off you pussy yeah everyone else did remember padawan slash not stab stabbing gut what is it oh stab twist gut that's the one that's how you that's how you kill an orc as you stab twist gut thank you for that lesson god i was saying a free that um we're supposed to take a week off after anniversary streams but last time we didn't because rings of power came out and everyone was like go talk about rings of power you're already behind not so unlucky this year apparently they're fine because that'll be out next year right uh it will probably be delayed yeah they filmed through the strike so it'll be out next year so what's um what's not being delayed house of the dragon rings of power the marvels not being delayed okay as long as i think it's i think it's been moved up a week so maybe it might be moved up a week because dunes now gone so they can stack up those i max screens that's that'll make that'll make the marvels good no i'm not in i max it's a theory yeah yeah i don't think i even have an i max absolutely i'm supposed to mention this while everybody in the description you can find it there is a survey just like there is every year as far as i remember if you get to you get to vote on whatever your favorite e-things were throughout the year of e-fap related stuff on movies episodes blah blah blah check it out while you're watching the stream i guess uh everyone's allowed to fill that out even man you have homework what i can't read though oh you can get one of the text speech things you can get that sort of by the time this stream ends yeah you can learn to read yeah do it so i've posted the watch together link everyone jump in we got four right now we're missing three oh let me click it here and hopefully it's very chaotic here we uh let people in and cycle people out based on basically who came in first and came in last and availability and stuff and right now we're up to a steady seven people here that's pretty good actually it's not chaotic yet we're doing good i can't count that far already yeah that's nice and uh today we're going to be checking out because i imagine we may as well just kicking off and watching some videos talking about and pausing that's the whole thing i think uh this video is called you didn't finish the game and it relates to the concept of reviewing video games without having finished them oh this ought to be good yes i mean this shouldn't be straight pretty straightforward i think i've given it a watch through and i've got all time stamps for the discussion parts the stealing video so you can end up with a lot of crazy shit in it and i've uh i've made sure to cut around so that we can just talk about the main points being brought up because isn't that the fun of the uh the the whole thing there's even another video that i've got as a potential that's called you didn't need to finish the game oh my goodness oh it's just yeah this is this is a topic that's come up in the world of gaming i don't know i think it's a fucking game you bums like at just what are they yeah that's ridiculous listen if it's you know it depends on the game right some games on the game depends on what you're doing as well and some games complete in the means different things you know yeah like completing an mmo or well we'll see if that any of that comes up maybe maybe we're wasting our fucking time oh and then that's worth remembering the total total viscous format of uh doing uh impressions coverage was first impressions but very deliberately you might sort of everyone know that as much exactly yeah as long as it's clear yeah i think that's the important part um obviously we could we could give our takes on all this but we may as well use the video to sort of introduce them i guess and that means we're starting around yeah here we go ah oh my god what the fuck is that oh my god it's what is that it's an aesthetic are we skipping the video essayist preamble yes this is only a minute long this part that i skip again because this introduces the idea of the video and then we get to the discussion of the video there's a portion where uh like dumbass comments are read and it's just like we don't need to do the thing like we don't which you know what no shade to anyone who does it i'm just saying we got lots of videos to cover okay well if your intro was good we might give a shit about it but all of jim stephanie sterling physician's intros are terrible and they're cringe and they're never funny so why bother this crazy idea that people say stupid things on the internet unbelievable unheard of and they leave them in youtube comments as well well if you have what could be considered a controversial perspective and then you go right time to defend my position and then you start talking about the stupidest craziest people like you should do it or aliens will abduct you it's like you know this isn't even this doesn't even make sense yes this is video games there's no aliens involved what's happening i just uh i take a shoot i enjoy any lead i'm just staring at this hat i think wrong smile a mouse i'm just gonna say it i wore it better wait when did you have a top hat um it was on my thumbnail for my jim sterling response last oh cool cool yeah omega ridley did it it was really good i rock it absolutely definitely yes 100 every time well then let us see this introduction of the tallight lettuce do game reviewer today well some of you may have seen this episode coming we will of course be touching on my by the way if you're gonna do like the crt the crt like monitor effect you need to have the lines moving like if it's static it just looks weird yeah well that's where you're that's where you're wrong fringy that's a common misconception whenever you would buy a crt monitor back in the day it had this like film over the over the screen that had those lines on it so you had to make sure that when you brought it home you had to peel it off yeah you had to peel off that film so that the lines would go it's like when you you get a new phone you got to peel off the crt fake display thing they always come out of the pose to have them yeah like seriously it has to move this just looks that is part of what it does that's the whole point is that they move the spice inviting review for the legend of zelta the tears of the majority oh my god indigo gaming welcome to the show where are you gaming climbers jump right into that watch together you can join us we're about to start the discussion of whether or not one must complete a game before reviewing it that's a good bomb bomb yeah no problem your is mask of the link to the kingdom of time oh that's all the names combined i get it that's really funny i think that cut was to be like yeah your big mighty bow broke because that's the big the big thing right equipment damage degradation in mighty bows can break right the zelda games people got upset about that you see i was really annoying in the first one it was a bit it was better in the in the newer one but still in the new annoying it's still annoying damn them document a particular flavor of rhetoric that turns up whenever a controversial review comes out and the fandom gets mad which it always does because the fan base is fucking exhausting you can leave whenever you want you why did they do this if they find it that like exhausting i don't get it what do you have to say about this just like well i mean yeah i don't know it's just some that's just what happens i guess i agree i don't like welcome to the internet like yeah you don't have to go and fistfight them is that you could that you could yeah you know that if you're reviewing silent films back in the day that there'd be a fan base who are like hey you fucking gave this an eight this was a nine piece of shit it's not exactly a big change but um you know what fair enough if they've been particularly angry this time let's maybe let's see what they've said the topic i want to get off of my even productive chess this week is the case of fandoms arguing that a review is you were in better shape you wouldn't heed when you said because the reviewer didn't finish the game an argument that presents a real tactical own goal if they actually got what they claim they want it all right that's our hook but the truth is you don't want reviewers to finish games what because they would form a clever opinion of it um is that the longer i play the game the worse my opinions get it unless you have like unless you have 200 hours in a game i don't want to hear your review on it like that's like minimum for me personally because there's so many things to explore christ yeah no like a one hour game 200 in terms of like a mechanic like a mechanically heavy i'm a game that's heavy on mechanics that's going to be important to me i really want to know someone who's going to be completely thorough but if it's just a one hour game wait let's take let's take a normal game like bio shock how how many hours should you should you have in that okay okay okay that's uh a couple hours with that that wouldn't bother me but something like um a couple you went from 200 okay compare that uh compare that to something like league of legends or dead by daylight something that's like really mechanically focused i want to know that they've had an extensive amount of extensive amount of time in the game but something that's a little bit more story based then that's not gonna i'm gonna be have a little more leeway with that because i was gonna say with bio shock i probably want him to complete it preferably twice depending on what kind of review they want to do if they're just doing like oh this is what i thought of it when i played it once like whatever that's almost like there's almost like the premise for all of this it's just label what you actually did at the beginning and then tell me what you felt and thought i guess we know the scope there's loads of different things going on within this space we call reviewing there's exhaustive analytic appraisals and then there's just the sort of first impression this is what i made of it so recommendation no recommendation based on what you think of my taste and how it aligns with yours sort of thing yeah this actually reminds me a lot of this this talk that uh total biscuit had way back in the day and actually uh he i think he i actually asked him that question when i was at his panel like way back when in dragon con and he was saying that he specifically kind of does is that he did his impressions videos like mid game to get his like kind of on the ground kind of expression of opinion as he was in the middle of the game but he did not frame those as reviews he would always call them impressions videos because that he had not finished the game yet a series was called wtf is yeah yeah yeah and there were always impressions videos and i think that has some value but i think that a review definitely demands that you have a very thorough understanding of the game at least completed at once or and and depending on game the kind of game where it has like multiple paths multiple classes etc you might actually have to play it twice or three times to get a full that's where um because it's like where's the harm why people are angry it's like it's usually when you give a bad review and you weren't familiar with the mechanics or you're wrong that's where people get i have a yeah i have a great example that uh tonalde actually did a review i was i he actually did a collab video with me a long time ago um before he blew up and and uh he did a review of the uh uh third try to the thirteenth game and i was steam friends with a minute time he did a review published a video on the game and he had 45 minutes of gameplay on that title oh oh that's a bit low yeah that's a little low you're not going to have an understanding of the mechanics or the bugs or like you know what actually is overpowered and the things that people actually want to know the the the the proper information you're just going to have your your based impression and if they make that clear in the beginning that's fine but a lot of people don't the fairly frustrating truth of things is that mastery has a really strong correlation with familiarity with mechanics yes yes that's where i got my crazy 200 number from i should have i should have referenced league before i just threw out that number because that's so like open for video games but what would an analytic appraisal of sorry for the sidetrack but what would that even look like if you were to like i'm going to review league of leg that's the problem is league evolves every fucking week so yeah seasons i and it's also one of the most complex games ever made yeah i think the approach you'd have to take is going through um showing a bronze match silver match all the way up to challenger and explaining the different like the different uh criteria of improvement that probably the the only way you can do it because like how are you going to explain that to someone who's never played the game oh man even that would take forever yeah and then you take into account seasons and stuff like that like i i got i got into smite for a while and then i think season three came out and they completely re uh changed the entire health health regaining system and all stuff and i i put about 200 hours in that game and i felt like a complete newbie again it was crazy you blink you blink and then you don't even know what what happened with these patch notes you have to stay like oh yeah i mean i've played league like once or twice a year with some friendos who played all the time and every time i log in it's like i don't know any of this recognize the items like you know the map that's it they don't change the map but as none of these has none of the skills anymore that i know yeah just pray the cat pray that they weren't reworked like who knows like they're probably reworked twice yeah we was uh we were joking about the other day uh mel but like you know every time i rejoin the game we'd be like what does scion do now does he steal the map from the dead please please when i watched it it'd been so long since i played league that when i when i watched arcane i'm like hey i know hymen dinger that's about it oh my god and he didn't make a single turret what a drip but don't say hymen please don't say hymen dinger yeah don't say hymer dinger sir hymer dinger sorry yeah that's i don't think a few hymens in my day but we're not i can't believe they got me to like vi and jace because i remember going into the show i i'm just thinking this bitch has punched me in the head like a thousand times jace has blown me up so i hate you all so much fuck echo i hated all the people that i know is going to be in it and like within 40 seconds it was like oh okay i could see tonally like they were going for something completely different and i was just blown away with the show can you guys get gary to watch that please like he i don't know why you guys have to hold held him down like hold him down and make him watch that show he needs to meet gerek was like fuck andor for a second in terms of like in comparison to this like i mean with gary you're never gonna get a watch and or what i'm gonna get through with him with and or i think it is much more like we get gary to watch and or than arcane i don't think he's gonna watch arcane really yeah uh man i have to pay him that's a shame we can he's got he's got the comic book or something the star wars bias with and or but i think arcane is just like you got to talk him into that one it's just like just to have them as references if we did put like screens into a comic book and they play like 10 minutes per page maybe that's the way to get through we have the abilities um all right so yeah that's your intro which means we're gonna now skip to the discussion because most of this is incoherent rambling about like stupid comments this is where it gets to the the juice right oh i love me some juice this brings us to the real thing wow you know i just i just ring yay lord of ring people at home cause see it but i just skipped like i was gonna say there's no way you just i skipped a lot i hate video sas you skip 10 minutes 19 minutes we're 19 minutes in the video now we have we have oh my goodness all of that was incoherent rambling from the proof by the way i do love the golem inspires like a sense of endearing does like everyone's just like oh there he is look at him yeah look at him go yeah go go go go go somehow so much you could say it wasn't his public and he only manages like 10 minutes on it apparently uh because like this is the thing i checked through and i was i was like this was the part i found interesting so maybe it's just me but right you know don't want to spend 10 years on on a video all about golem possibly on zelda i i'm not here to defend the concept that reviewers don't have to finish games no i'm here to point out the tactical stupidity of using that concept to defend a video game that seems like a interesting guidance approach point of view well good obviously i imagine the same for you but it's like wait what's what is going to be the argument there is no why wouldn't you talk about the principled position of whether you need to complete a game to do a review of a game why would you go you ethically rush it off instantly instead it's like no you don't want that okay super straight forward argument you don't play the game enough you get things wrong and then the game's reputation suffers is that did you do something wrong or should that be okay should that just be fine i think it's more positions i think it's fine for you to have the position that that is a fine thing to do and the human error should be expected sort of thing but i also think it's fine to be like yeah you should avoid that at all costs and you should condemn it when we find it that's what i think but you know that discussion doesn't get hard we have a different one in this video also hi john hello hello hi welcome welcome welcome i don't know who you have or have not met here so everyone just shout hi hi hi there we go we did it everyone's met each other all right we've all met wasn't that fun the real question is uh sorry there is a link for you uh john to the watch together we're checking out an opinion about games oh got you so the real question is uh is golem going to win the argument here i think so he's won every one so far play big mean reviewer what didn't like it you didn't even finish the game is often screened through a veil of assumptions by gamers furious that a product they're hyped for got a score i mean you can't be this incredulous when a lot of reviewers do not finish the game and you can tell yeah if you are a game reviewer then asking them to finish the game generally it's not it's not unreasonable and it's like can you review the can you use a product before you review it you know loaded with assumptions i'd say it's loaded with one big one which is true right which is you didn't complete it yeah then the one that follow through from that is the the less you play like the more you play the more information you're going to gain about the game the more comprehensive your understanding is going to be that's pretty intuitively that just makes a lot of sense yeah unlike film where you can fucking watch the first 10 minutes then use footage from all of it because you have the file a lot of the time with games people can tell how much you completed from looking at your footage like wait a minute yeah that's right something you unlock seven minutes into the game they don't even now mention it you know like this was something that was an issue in uh jim sterling's uh final fantasy uh review the 16 is the new one yeah our 15 yes 16 is the newest one everyone we're on final fantasy new was all of jim sterling's footage was from a particular point in the game so it's like oh oh well i think that was because that was the crux of the point that sterling was making about the game and and not liking it but it was strange nonetheless so i just imagine like the cup had reviews like what are you the tutorial right off was that just gameplay i can't remember uh i'm not the famous like saying that was like a hushy yeah well that wasn't a review right that was just no that was just making fun why did they post that to make fun of it i don't know but thank you thank you saying why did why did the original like the the company that he worked for why would they post that thinking yeah this is good this is good people will love this look reputable at our jobs yes any cuphead footage is good cuphead footage wasn't that uh then there was the doom eternal one right there was uh oh yeah oh yeah good ol dean it's very bad at video games deem too low hell sometimes they ironically say this about games they haven't played attacking reviews of stuff that is even out doesn't play them because they were waiting for your review to see if it's worth playing well a lot of the time you're going to have access first because you're yes but even then people don't need to have even played the game to have the perspective that you ought to play a game to completion before you review it exactly like what does it mean does it like the principle develops in real time it's like you need to have played to completion every game that i personally have played with all the other ones i can't have an opinion yeah like you can't review my review until you've played the game fully like no there's plenty going on exactly i think it's i think it's like a basic expectation of a reviewer that they had played the whole game like that like if you want to be extensive and play it several times as preferred but at least finish the game once that's like the base requirement i'd say out yet this argument is treated by many phantoms as the ultimate gotcha the holy grail of self soothing justice it sounds like they got you you sound a bit big mad about it yeah no i'm not just sterling the ball mad prove a reviewer didn't finish a game or just convince themself of it they can discredit said review completely of course well no the point would be that the reviewer so discredited itself like the they're trying to point that out it's i would say that it's something wrong because it's rare that they would simply say you didn't even finish the game but even if that's something that's being said it's not hard for people to pick up what the point is like oh so they fucked up or they've got things wrong or they they're not very good and they they couldn't be the later levels sort of thing which is another thing by the way the most passionate fans don't want to hear you talk about how hard the first few levels were and how you didn't like that gonna be like um okay part of the part of the problem is that um people have it's the reason why people do harp on this stuff like we were talking about with like the cuphead gameplay if that's your mode of play for that game that's going to be pretty useless the information that the perspective you have on that game is going to be pretty useless for most people because you're just not playing it at the same level that they are and i don't even talk about like a you know an extremely high level of play but just like a normal average level of play and it's and people you know when people buy these games a lot of the people are going to be looking at these reviews probably have some expectation of playing it to the end so you probably need to try to mirror you know the experience that those people are going to have and and want to get information about from you and the only way someone can discredit something you've said that's incorrect about the game is by having more knowledge than you have which is usually from them having played the game which they usually can't do because you're press and you have it early it's relevant for armored cord is coming out because already having people on this like the first boss is too hard this bad game it's like are we still not have you still arrived at the point where it's like oh from soft cam that's probably going to be a hard game yeah and just imagine all the games that you've played like if everybody's played a mgs 5 i've not played all the way through it but imagine reviewing the game after playing with the first two hours versus the next 50 mgs live is like 100 hours long or something i don't know yeah but like and i have 50 hours and i don't even know if i finished it if i got to the point that was the end that was it uh when i started recycling the missions i was yeah that's right i'm done i came to a point where where i thought i was done and i was like okay now here's more it's like wait what i thought okay and then after you got skull face i don't know if we have like like ds2 where it's like oh dragon rider again it's like yeah but he's on a really small platform that's different like great and he just falls off and you're like oh that was an old s and s game trick where like after you defeat all these bosses they would just have a final boss rush at the end and recycle every single boss like almost every game did that they did that in devil may cry for but that's because the game was like horrendously unfinished the entire back half of the game is backtracking through the same levels as a different character and then you also get boss rushes all the old bosses just over again is that the middle gear solid five just reminded me of something that is related to the way that games are reviewed i could be wrong about this but as i remember it a lot of the initial reviews that came out for metal gear solid five were the product of a like a five day long eight hours per day uh like boot camp where they had to play the game and try to complete it within that time and so plenty of reviewers would have needed to it was the chicken hat that made you invulnerable um and and and so you think about the idea of um what are the optimal ways of essentially creating and presenting a review to people playing a game under those conditions where you're in a rush to get it done would be like another example of how the way that you go about it can sort of change your experience of the game the information that you pull from the game and what you're going to provide to play so you aren't going to be playing it like that um it's it's uh it's really important and it probably ought to be encouraged more in reviews some level of disclosure about the way that you went about it not necessarily for circumstance like not just for circumstances like that but how many times did you play it how long did it take you to complete it like this information is not going to it's never going to be unproductive to be clear about how much time you've spent with the game and how you did it and the environment that they were put into like you know that this kind of super fast kind of expo like where you get gift bags and you're kind of like you got to have a hotel and you know food and everything like that like that yeah there's there's a certain energy to that like imagine watching the same movie by yourself on netflix at home versus watching it in a theater that cheers at every major event who's like who are like shouting when their favorite hero shows a fun screen things like that you're going to get two very different experiences watching it in a theater with the people who made the movie set to your left and to your right after they paid me to come here and pay your room and they're watching you and looking at you the whole time did you like that wasn't that a funny joke yeah laugh laugh at laughing isn't it fun look how much everyone's like how come you're the only one in here not laughing yeah you're not gonna get an honest opinion in that from someone in that situation like with all that pressure like it's um well yeah i'm like he even talked about the cultural element of just the quicker the better every time for everything yeah quicker quicker quicker with reviews that everybody feels very much oppressed especially for these uh outfits right like journalist websites especially the smaller ones that there's like a real pressure to get it out as soon as possible you know that the embargo date is the date you want your review out because later people don't care as much people are less interested you lose out in those tasty views you'll serve this isn't as necessary yeah it's like a difference doesn't work for games doesn't work for games like imagine watching a home loan at four on dvd it'd be the worst experience ever but what being like rich ebbons watching it right next to mccole colkin and making fun of it would be the most hilarious thing in the world so it's just like it's all about context especially with yeah i got i got kind of caught up in games like uh you know when i went to expose and stuff and played overwatch before it came out people would stand in lines for three hours to play like two matches of that game and then when it came out uh you know people got bored of it you know it was a good game for a while and people were really excited for it but the environment of like oh my god you got to wait in this huge line and and uh wait hours to be able to try this amazing game but when it's released to the public people were waiting for hours to play lawbreakers and that game died really fast yeah their triumphant invalidation won't make the review disappear and it won't stop them being so fragile they get violently angry over a reviewer angry i mean but also you're getting angry over the reaction yeah i'm so i'm so tired of it no one cares nobody cares jim sterling's the one who um well jim sterling has opinions regarding violence and who it's okay to enact it again so i don't really care about their opinion on what at this point we're saying if someone says like this review is shit you should fuck off are they like whoa violence the reviewer just starts out by telling you how his morning went it's like it's not relevant i don't care yeah uh i'm interested in your morning fear i'm not interested in my morning and i was there when it happened i don't know i guess i got up a mission coffee i saw a little board seven out of ten so they'll be left with annoying and hollow feeling in their terminally irrational minds when they find themselves unable to move on i get it man they believe you're upset by the way i cut out loads of just ripping into annoying comments that's what we're 20 minutes into a 29 minute video why are we going to be so dramatic either like he's just been bitching so far what is the he hasn't made a point what does the script look like is it just internet people are freaks like 20 000 times repeated the truth's gotta get out there okay accusation the sheer pointless nurse and ineffectiveness of the argument isn't what's stupid however no that's not what makes you didn't play the game a fucking imbecilic way to defend a video game from a review but it would totally be this is the thing that annoys me about the video it's like can you not accept a single possible time where it would be valid not one nope yeah when someone plays it for 10 minutes and then does a review and says and presents it as being pretty comprehensive surely everybody would agree that point you kill a couple of hollows in dark souls then you say like the combat is absolute shit you just kill a bunch of things that can't even move well oh you know if we're talking about uh this game like we're talking about uh tears of the kingdom if you said yeah no i i completed the the opening like sky islands and then when i got to when i got to land that was it i was done yeah you're missing like five six game mechanics you can't even use yet but then you're missing like 95 percent of the game aren't you yeah exactly so it's like yeah uh no it's probably every time are you gonna talk about that part i don't think so if you do how did you watch videos on it instead of playing the game there what makes it a strategic own goal is the fact that if they got what they wanted and they forced every reviewer to play every game to thorough completion it would be far more likely to lower a score than raise it sorry what so it was but i guess it's not the case what i think the keyword here is forced because yeah the way it's being contextualized is that the reviewer is you know they've done it what they wanted to do and then someone says ah and sits them down change them up and says you must get to the credits before you can say a thing and of course that would be unpleasant to the point where it would infect your own playthrough but what people are advocating for is can you please have integrity accuracy and honesty that's what they want yeah yeah i know there's gonna be goobas who are just saying it to discredit you and everything but the gorgeous we move past those guys and yeah actually don't have to care about the random freak on the internet who says nonsense you don't like the guy in your youtube comments you don't have to care about him i promise you should have evolved past this a long yeah i was about to say you gotta have thicker skin than this no matter what you do he's gonna be there and like imagine giving a review is like yeah you know i watched the first hour of uh you know the the latest marvel movie is pretty good you guys could go see it i give it an eight out of ten is not the thing or watching half the episodes of the show or something that system should be approved of um by basically every reviewer if they're gonna have this kind of point of view and it would be insane if you were to because we do it these days for tv shows a lot of reviewers review the whole show based on the first few episodes because that's like what they get given which is already weird secret invasion was getting decent reviews based which is already pretty terrible yeah this first couple episodes but wow but if they'd seen that last episode would they have been as positive probably not uh well maybe maybe they would have been they they weren't quite sure what the tide you know where it was gonna turn okay under that yeah i i just i pulled a drax arm and really pulled people out you know yeah well they did yeah i broke so many people you've been watching a mike flanagan show all the way up to the right up to the last episode would be very misleading because his shows were great usually up to like the last episode which one which one well i i might be the minority opinion but i i didn't like i've not seen all of them but i love the two uh blimey and um hillhouse i did not like the last episode as much as the rest uh midnight mass i think the last episode was nonsense i've heard that one's like the worst but uh hillhouse's ending yeah i agree yeah blimey's ending i like hillhouse was i understand why they did it but they should have went with um the the proper ending they should have like committed i agree yes sweet liver and onions i didn't like liver and onions before i was made to eat it and i fucking resented liver and onions afterwards you can't improve someone's opinion of something by cramming it down their throat but that's not what people are trying to do don't review video games and fuck off it's like a false premise was it crammed down your throat when you reviewed it in the first place i'm saying that you need to be like locked in a dungeon until you complete it they're asking you to play it to the end to develop a more comprehensive understanding of the game that's it they care about your accuracy more so than your opinion this is such a weird analogy this is more like an analogy of like making a first person shooter or fan play a sports game or making a strategy game fan play an rpg or whatever that that'd be a more appropriate analogy this is no if you're going to actually provide a complete analysis and review of this game you should probably have a pretty good idea what what the entire game plays like there's so many simple aspects to it just when you say any broad statements about the mechanics or the soundtrack or the levels or the enemies or the combat and you've not actually consumed all of those things from the thing people stuck in a bit weird about it like oh i think i guess i uh because i thought i had guessed right but no what i thought the point was going to be was the more that somebody plays the game the more likely it is that they're going to understand the mechanics so well that they might start noticing flaws that would up yes possibly somebody who's not as familiar with the mechanics you know which doesn't need to be a problem of course i mean i think everybody would generally consider it to be a good thing because it's based on a more comprehensive understanding of the game but it seems the point is no if they had to play it longer than they wanted to their bias would start to seep into the point that it would infect the review which is a weird point to make that you're so compromised in terms of your bias yeah it would be impossible for you to to be accurate anymore i think it's nuts that um the the counter argument is yeah well i'll become so biased against it i'll give an even worse review my whole issue with you so far was how you're too biased in a bad way yeah you fucked up this is worse for you not me part of the big i'm just mad at you now like we should be trying for some level of objectivity not you just being a bitter asshole yeah you know well then someone just points out a simple mistake they say oh you said this was this it's actually this like fuck you next time i'm gonna say even stupid as shit just to annoy you okay and like if you're really just falling off a game that hard you can still put out what you have with the understanding and the intellectual humility to say how much time you put into the game fine by making them sit at the table all night and finish the plate i guarantee you that if i felt forced to engage with zelda's broken weapons and ass backwards controls more than i felt i had to if i felt obliged to play more of the bits i thought were convoluted wastes of time i'd have given it a lot lower than a seven out of ten backward ass fucking logic is this when you're like you don't want me to give it a more thorough review because it'd be more negative yeah i don't give a fuck if it's more negative it's more accurate exactly not necessarily surely there's got to be some instance where playing more would improve your experience i mean come on because you come to understand what you were doing wrong for example exactly the same reason why if you you know it's not quite the same because not interactive but you watch a film twice sometimes you can benefit greatly from that experience and we've come to a really good film a lot of people saw it on end game on the second watch that's like i feel like you i feel like you don't really know a film until you rewatch it that's when you like you take your emotions out of it and get the truth and the fact that this guy is like like uh appealing to the start process for video games is crazy to me like the first time around for easy games example dark souls one i've seen this is anecdotal but i've seen both myself and so many people on their first time through that game get to the bell gargoyles get just rinsed over and over again for hours and hate the game they hate it then they beat it and they love it yeah like something starts to click after they are good enough to beat that boss and suddenly they're in love with the game well it happens sometimes that you can play a game for a very long time and just be completely out of sync with it you just don't get it you you aren't in rhythm with what uh it's the most optimal experience uh with that game and then the longer you play it you just start like oh shit okay yeah now i get it you know that happens you're robbing yourself of those potential eureka moments with a game um and if it freaks like me well it's so funny right or okay if you suggested that could happen that that could happen you could enjoy the game that's insane why would you ever say that i'm just gonna hate it you're like oh i get a better understanding of it and like understand why you like the things that you like why they work why they don't work and it's such a narrow minded like point of view i don't get it this is such a weird take to like is is this kind of take the idea that reviews need to be positive to talk about like the idea that we wait we must praise zelda because it's a it's a zelda game like it almost sounds like yeah here is that sterling is very heavily invested in the conversation around that and particularly i guess nintendo fanboys specifically getting mad about the review that it's so might in that that it's almost impossible to move past that to get to the fundamental conversation which is do you need to complete a game to review it properly you know why should you do that one of the arguments against it it's just too might in the matter what benefit is there to not completing a game unless you're specifically trying to just describe your first impression well if you're a reviewer not much if you're me it's a terrible game many but for a reviewer um yeah i don't see how ever finishing a game is going to be worse than not finishing it yeah it's really about like how backward this is more context you just have to accept this argument of if you were already not liking it you are going to like it less but then again that assumes that the points of playing at morris to necessarily have a positive review of a game rather than a better review of a game is exactly maybe the um maybe the element here is because we've talked about this in the the cinema aspect with what the duty is of a reviewer and what a good review what a good review is when we go to the you know video game side if we were to ask jim sterling what do you think is the duty of a good video game reviewer what should they strive to do and what makes a video game review a good one as opposed to a bad one and maybe jim sterling is operating on a completely different like goal or mindset of what a video game reviewer needs to be doing well something that maybe maybe uh these types of journalists who are trying to cover more or less every major release rather than doing the thing that uh like if they went to video yeah they need to go to some more video game festivals all right well what i mean is that i because you know i would feel compelled to cover every single game not obviously it's not every single journalist individually is going to do it but in the case of the sterling review like a lot of games in a year or only like five or six in a year because if there's that pressure as well of you want to be making sure that you're doing reviews for every major release that's just limits the amount of time that you have available and the passion you're going to have interest in each of them that's that's true are you going to be particularly interested in every major release that comes out with exaggeration exactly so if there's that too and i just want to touch on what reg said like the requirement for a reviewer like if let's say it was a list of three to five things don't you think finishing the fucking game would be on it like that's just like such a base requirement well seriously the sort of empathy i can give is when you deal with a game that's enormous it's like what does it mean to complete it it's like i understand that i understand um but as you can see uh as evidenced on the screen right now uh one thing i know the the controversy surrounding this whole review had was that that is a low amount of hearts is it not for a zelda game i'm gonna have to ask my zelda experts here like metal sorry i just tuned up for you're if you ask me i'm like i i'm i'm like linked to the past zelda i was about to say i'm like 20 you gotta get all 20 i think you can get into two rows with your ex well that was something that um uh still got picked up for basically as controversy on the review is the is a shit amount of hearts in all the footage oh yeah you can't you weren't you you wouldn't even be able to get the master sword with these amounts of hearts i just don't know how much you played the game doesn't it yeah you need to do a bunch of uh uh what you could go to the shrines that's right a lot of them and then you get all the uh all the parts for that and is the thing tears of the kingdom uh has a lot of shrines some of them are pretty good and some of them are fine because they vastly improve those shrines i think over the of a breath of the wild so there's a lot of things you can see and also talk about in that also i've been uh probably want to play just got a message from kiba kins he has a live e-fap anniversary coverage on efap.me oh yes apologies for stopping a half hour really we did mention it was because uh we needed to get going as soon as possible because we're gonna have to be off 24 hours at least yes those vinyls look good in the corner man nice they do i i'm really digging the aesthetic of this e-fap anniversary i really really like it that's pro it's probably my favorite actually i really love it i really like it of course yes the vinyls are still ready to be purchased but not forever folks links in the description for that as well and thanks to kiba kins gonna keep a live note of everything that happens and this is on efap.me forward slash 250 you want to get uh information on everything that's been happening great straight there in the very aesthetically pleasing place let's be honest this is like it looks really lovely it's a professional one of the professional gig all right you're an amateur hour anyway anyway take warhammer 40 000 bolt gun for example it's a very good game i gave it a 7.5 and its fans didn't bitch about it like the similarly scored but not quite as good to the kingdom i had a lot of nice things to say about it but a lot of complaints as well chief among them the fact that it's a limited weapon and enemy variety meant the game ran out of content long before it ran out of levels to put them in bolt gun starts off hilarious and exciting and incredibly fun pairing of the ludicrous 40k and the over the top 90s style shooter there's a fucking button dedicated to yelling fanatical threats a press f to show contempt button uh you'd like that perfect go on but over the course of hours and hours i was going to say the argument has been made yet we're waiting it'll be here in a second uh all right narrative gameplay while never diminishing in quality grew more and more exhausting the further i got into it the more tired i became the more its little minor flaws began to bug me and the lower my opinion sank for me but see that's fine if you play it for an hour and you're settling on a 10 out of 10 then you play it for three hours and you're like actually i've been over nine you play it for 10 hours and you're like this is kind of a six that's fine i'd call that important information new information creates new opinions like it's this guy's insane yeah and you can you can describe stuff in review you don't have to give the entire review like how you felt at the end of the game a lot of games don't really hold up through the ends sometimes the ending makes the game even better but a lot of times it's kind of like kind of falls off a little bit maybe the last boss wasn't great or maybe the last bit kind of seems repetitive great example um i'm kind of again a minority depending on this one but uh alone in the dark 2008 has like an episodic tv show format it's got a lot of flaws not the best game in the world but for the most part it has a pretty good pacing until the last act of the game where for no reason whatsoever you have to search the entire like gta style open world area and burn down like 30 uh evil roots for no reason before you can get to the last act of the game and it's like the the biggest slog of the game but had you not played up to that point not reviewed that point you probably would have gotten a different experience had you yeah because you don't realize that's even in the game that's like the last couple hours of the game you don't get a full experience and i just i can't imagine uh looking at review and someone says like my enjoyment factor was lowering the more i played it and me going like well then you should have fucking played more of it should you and then your job would have been out of positive review don't you know that's your job that's a little positive the funding plan is just gonna go huh so this is just gonna like sour quite quickly so right it's so funny because you just i think that's what it is with the view that the you know whoever's getting mad at sterling over the over the review is necessarily saying well you should have played it more because then you would have thought it was better that seems to be baked into every single argument that's being made i think that's what it is like what's the best possible way to get a good review of the game and like if you're taking an approach that's going to give you you know potentially a negative review i don't want you to get that i think that's i think it's as simple as that self-own of the zelda fans yeah if we ignore like the frothing idiots online you have to assume that these people who are saying you didn't play much of it implicitly what they're pointing to that is you were inaccurate about something because of your lack of familiarity and you wouldn't have played more yeah yeah it's just a kind of a weird weird thing i've been noticing a lot especially with bigger reviewers like has anybody been following vaguely related but has anybody been following the uh linus tech tips drama recently somewhat yeah uh like one of the things that came up like uh gamers in excess did like a whole expose of all all these inaccuracies and kind of like biases like where they would review things that they were uh sponsored by hire and they like took a prototype very expensive prototype auctioned it by accident and they didn't get it back and a bunch of other stuff and just like continually uh misrepresenting stats and performance of very certain bits of hardware which you know thousands if not millions of people have been influenced by their their reviews of video cards and gaming hardware analysis and stuff right anyway one of the things that they kind of said i think linus said this and his kind of knee-jerk response was that uh how he needs to kind of read the room while he's doing reviews to kind of like review it properly and that's such a weird aspect it's like why would hardware performance and your estimation and analyzation of that matter at all what other people think like if anything you should practically be isolated from other people's opinions because maybe everybody else is getting it wrong maybe everybody else has got a sponsorship or isn't testing it properly if you're actually properly reviewing a graphics card and getting you know fs on high you know on medium and low that should be pretty objective and you shouldn't it shouldn't matter if everybody else loves it or hates it you should you should be able to independently verify the quality of the thing and great you've highlighted a time where it's super important because this comes down to like people buying products that are designed to function like that is the primary purpose at least with entertainment there's an angle that even if it's shit you might still like it or whatever but um you know we still have examples in history of how these things matter as far as i'm concerned like um i i don't have as many of the details anymore but as far as i'm aware tollbiscus the reason dark souls made it to pc which is always like a huge achievement because people fucking adore dark souls it was huge and so is from software on pc now um and likewise the only big significant breakdown of soma that was on the internet when it came out was joseph anderson's and he fucking had no idea what he was dealing with when he played the game and there's so many people in the comments being like oof good thing i can dodge this one like oh that would have been bad oh god money he cost fictional and that's the thing is it was done with inaccuracy and clumsiness it's weird because he's not usually like that like uh he pissed everybody off with his mario odyssey review right and he got didn't he get all of the what are they called moons or something yes something like that i think they collected every single one yeah and and that's commendable to me the fact that you would do hyper completionist and i feel like you you have a strong standing for what your opinion might be even if i completely disagree with it um but like soma i don't even think he played through it uh more than once when it's a game filled with choices which is an interesting thing to do uh when you want to do like a definitive review of it because it's just you just found it so unpleasant i guess but in any case uh this is the motive behind a lot of people and to just dismiss them as the crazies who will get a worse review if they keep complaining is so fucking bitter yeah it's just funny to me just talking about this now just thinking back to the resident evil for coverage we did and just playing for the game like four times yeah everybody was like oh and then even just putting little challenges out there that have nothing to do with the game but just see what's going on and what what i was doing this was what it was like in uh what was it on the beginning when you wanted to kill both salvadors on professional or super professional or what it was yeah and you just have to do it over and over again because you really want to do it and then realize oh when i shoot this one uh zombie man over there there's like 15 different things that can happen every time so we learned so much about the mechanics of that game by setting ourselves difficult challenges because you have to rely on mechanics and therefore it's like yeah how do i get him to rely on these liably stagger and then you're like we can't um unless you do you know this many shots in this place with this gun at this time and it's like okay and then you actually get a whole map of the mechanics in your head and if someone said like yeah but i made you hate the game all right and like um it may have you learned the game more well it may have made me give it a lower review than i had before i figured out how everything works but i don't see how that's a bad thing because you don't know how to put a new review and i mean it's replay value the idea of a reviewer is to have the general gaming population be more almost blissful in their ignorance for the real quality of a game in mechanics i don't know if i'm gonna go along with that it's almost like a like a mildly abusive relationship where you're like okay if you if you demand that i will play more of this game i'm going to not acknowledge this game as being as highly rated as you want me to rate it as it's like what is your even your purpose at that point if that's you're treating us like how dare you ask me to play more of this game i'll rate it lower because i will not like it as much the more i play it it's like what do you realize what your what your purpose is yeah it's really unrelated you can i mean that's what more or sometimes puts us up to is like hey you all play golem and stream it and it's like fuck why and then it's just all just a really good time uh overall if the other games piss but it's just just good things like even if you if you let's say your content brand's like oh man i couldn't make so much content out of this while playing the game and figuring stuff out and then make a review on top well it's crazy and then you guys made this whole super cut out of it that people were enjoying and then we covered here on efab it's like i don't know we all had a pretty good understanding of their game i think so i just just i just see positives in playing the game to the fullest at least once i don't know no negative that at all familiarity as this game would appreciate breeds contempt and while i still like bolt gun i honestly wish it were a few hours shorter so it didn't out stay it's welcome thanks for the bolt gun review i guess okay red ha that was a better showcase of how demanding reviewers spend more time with a game doesn't serve that game's interests my first few hours with a game's interest it's the consumer's interests yeah how can it not serve the game's interest though he thinks reviewer's job is to praise games not actually review them i think that's it that's pretty much that it serves a game's interest because it means that it would be easier for developers to make good patches and balances to a game if they get the most comprehensive information possible and what is working and what isn't working so i mean yeah you could even make an argument that it isn't a game's interest to get these types of reviews because then they know what to fix see and then how to make a better sequel see this happen a lot with patched games like darkest dungeon two one even those games went through a lot of iterations based on high profile community feedback that game yeah most people don't remember that but there was a period where people hated darkest engine because they added in corpses and a couple other mechanics and people weren't really on board with and it wasn't so like a lot of feedback that they finally removed corpses or they no they didn't remove and they made options still left you suck yeah you can turn them off if you want to which are you sure yeah they added as optional i believe there's there's powers that people have to like get rid of corpses what would be the point of those powers in one option in one they i in two i think they're mandatory they didn't add it as the two is like almost a completely different game at that point but yeah in one they were introduced and people were really mad there was actually i think a period when it went into the negatives in steam reviews and then they made a couple different things optional they also added like a less punishing mode and everything radiant mode or whatever was and that's back up to nine point i'm gonna i'm gonna be like i i guess throw a wrench in the conversation and say i think people were wrong to be mad about corpses though i think they're a very important part of the game and make it function and what makes it function out of my corpses but i'm losing my mind with that sanity shit can't manage it that's the whole game really important i don't i like it no no i wasn't this thing i was saying i suck that game what my ass i'll get back to it i remember darkest dungeon one i think i i named them after people in chat and i think i'll die i named one mauler and i think i had six maulers in that game i remember i had two fringes actually to play doctor i put six hundred hours in that game it's fan-fucking-tastic what about the second one the second one is pretty good very very good i might even say it's very different i it took if you play a lot of the first one the second one is gonna be very alienating i would argue the second one's better because uh there's a certain aspect that happens at least at least me playing however many hours i played i didn't probably play as much as you but there's a certain kind of just sort of stagnation that happens in the first game where you get your characters up level and you don't want them to go crazy and die or get you know syphilis and and you know rot away or whatever so you kind of like just kind of you kind of stagnate and the dungeons keep on getting harder but you don't want to go into them because then you lose everybody and and there's perma death and autosave and everything like that the second game you embrace that because it's kind of a roguelike game where you're constantly replaying and then trying again and so there's a bit more there's a bit more of a just just go ahead and do it attitude in the second game you don't stagnate as much but that's my opinion i actually think it's quite the opposite personally because in darkest dungeon one in the middle difficulty so like the normal difficulty that people will play on or radiant there isn't actually a fail state in the game you can lose runs which amounts to a loss of time but you cannot actually lose a run which means uh that's part of why the game's allowed to go as crazy on you with the rng as it is like you know it's possible for you to enter a room and for a character to die before you get a turn that is the way it is precisely because you can't actually lose a run on normal difficulties and those are really fringe cases and so like you're losing essentially time investments but it's not particularly substantial time investments at time meanwhile with two each individual run is its own separate thing so those sorts of rng swings can cost you an entire run and runs as compared to other roguelikes are really really long like that game has really long runs compared to other similar roguelikes and so you lose a massive amount of time i beat uh it was during the beta but i beat the boss once and um it was like i think a couple hours i think um versus potentially like 10 hours working on on your your best characters and and one so personally i think that it was a very difficult decision i think i i remember seeing the creators talk about again we're kind of going off topic but the creators saying like this is a very different game kind of trying to kind of treat it as two different games we took some pretty extreme measures i personally think the roguelike thing is was a as much as i miss the city building and stuff like that i think the roguelike thing definitely makes you kind of more emboldened to take risks to kind of go forward as as i played the original i was terrified of running into like a star a star creature from another plane just like immediately wiping my party that was a that was a very real thread in the first game the title of my life yeah i really appreciate their willingness to change formula in the second game and for the most part i think it went really well i think there are some fairly substantial hangups in exactly how things are put together like run lengths for example character balance is a bit of an issue and there's a few other things in terms of the mechanics of each individual run but i have a lot of respect for them pivoting and the moment to moment combat in each uh like fight in darkest dungeon two is miles better than darkest dungeon one because they learned a lot from one and what's actually really cool and this is the same thing's happening with pack the path of exile is that they're kind of treating them as two different uh experiences like you can go back and play all the dlc of one and it's still a fantastic game but two is now a different experience so if you like two better you can play two path of exile two is coming out and they're going to be running both pack of exile one and two simultaneously so if you like poe one better you can play that if you like poe two better you can play that and they're going to be both active services that they have different mechanics and different you know active dodge and everything like that so i actually like that idea where you're not just you're not replacing a game you're adding another different version of the experience that's kind of what pissed me off about the forest and sons of the forest because i feel like the forest became obsolete when that new game came out but i don't actually really like the second one as much as the first one and like nobody plays the first one anymore it'd be cool we had two kind of options they left it at one absolute yeah yeah there's probably so many examples because it added everything in yeah and it totally supporting that so many of my so many of my friends after two came out they played a whole bunch of darkest dungeon two and then went back to darkest dungeon one for a while i joke about uh i joke about over watch two as the the one sequel that was cancelled after it was released what i mean yeah the like the big selling point of that was the campaign mode that they yeah about that yeah sorry see well we um we kind of got into the sequel element that we're talking here uh twice when we uh ventured into dead space under resident evil four um whereas i think we pretty much agreed at least the three of us that the dead space remake replaced the original in a good way um in the resident evil four remake is very good but it doesn't replace the original it is different enough it's a different experience uh a different enough experience that it's what no i'd still say it's worthwhile to play the original it's just play the original that space before you play the new one yeah they're most still very yeah if you're gonna play the both of them yeah i was gonna say by the way a lot of what we just talked about is all stuff we know because of how much we've played the games and we know all the inner work yeah because uh we've said this before but like if you watch me and metal or if Theo's there as well sort of thing going into bloodborne we'll tell you some of the most specific and fine detail things that happen in that game and you'll be like good god they hate it and then you'll find that it's like our favorite game of all time or at least one of them yeah that's why you know those details yeah it was a point that you brought up earlier metal about uh when you were playing resident evil four remake these very specific challenges you put on this on yourself to and and like the benefits that come from that but me you know when we talk about the broader things that you can gain from doing the reviews as simple as playing it on normal difficulty then hard difficulty a super useful information oh yeah you only play it once you don't know that you don't have a point of reference for how the game changes depending on how hard it is and often when you play it on a harder difficulty that's when you can start to notice a game either excelling or breaking yeah you can notice buckling because the mechanical constraints the players under are more difficult and difficult to show the flaws it does and in the the world that sterling is advocating for you miss out on that uh that possibility not only that but you should be fucking thankful that you miss out on it like okay yeah exactly you you don't you don't want it you don't want that world you fools is sterling like uh tom cruise and and uh talking to no way nicole said nicole said he's like it's like you know you can handle the truth uh that's so weird we watched that recently good film yes that's a really good movie great dialogue of course i'd recommend it full i didn't hate it i felt it was a bland mediocre minimum viable product of a game but it was relatively inoffensive to me after playing it a little while i came away thinking it was dull but more or less serviceable then i kept playing i kept playing until i found out how fucking repetitive it was yeah but imagine if you hadn't imagine if you hadn't though i feel like that's isn't that even a worse point though that you realized oh if i had stopped i might have given a downright misleading yeah yeah this goes both directions like are you happy that you give misleading reviews because you don't know how familiar you would be with games hmm yeah isn't this a isn't this a great reason why you should play games longer holy shit does what i mean this this video just completely fucks itself yeah you should be thankful that i have no integrity you're like okay no no wait all right i kept playing until i found out you should uh review games and not play any of them and give everything 10 out of 10 that way the 10 out of 10 scores are protected preserved forever no one will uh never be happy that way you can put out a thousand reviews a day and you make all the fanboys happy it's like yes you gave it 10 out of 10 i agree and then anybody who disagrees it's like well what do you want i didn't play it i don't know i don't know what i'm talking about right actually play and review 10 games and then just change the visuals every single time a new game comes out of any of those reviews and nobody will notice so many much difference and the fans will be happy this is the you know everyone's happy now we did it we solved racism and yeah someone's just made me aware back in the day uh i know we've talked about this in the previous years but um and he was sacrificed right hellblade and the stealing game came out one out of 10 oh it was a game breaking bug in it and that's why i remember when i got a four out of ten because of a very rare save game bug and ijin got pissed yeah that happens the fact of the matter is when you're right you're right and how can you ensure that you won't be wrong you know a right statement regardless of how much you've played or how little you've played is still a correct statement uh-oh you're going to drift into the world of jim staley's perspective on everything i say in my review is correct because it's all subjective me oh boy i agree that it's subjective but like that doesn't make that true well it's there's a lot of things you could say about video games well at anything that is like oh that's you can't just say that's subjective if you can't yeah like as if that somehow matters to the things that i've said that are attacking your argument fucking i hate it then is why i wish they would just separate it and so we'd have an understanding of what they're talking about because this is just this person is just rambling like there's no thought process the things here that they're contradicting themselves with you'd catch that in a script normally but this just seems to be like completely just how they feel about it like there's no actual research or anything done here they didn't even elaborate on other positions like at the beginning the parts that you skipped wait uh what's in the skipped section is mainly responding to comments that are taken out of like comment sections that are insane you know like did they explore the other perspectives though like like why you shouldn't actually like why you don't benefit from them reviewing like the this way this is the best faith section of the video oh boy wow okay well i came away thinking it was dull but more or less serviceable then i kept playing i kept playing until i found out how fucking repetitive it was i kept playing until i found out it had nothing under the surface beyond the most good good review is no more accurate let's meet you did high five i kept playing until i found it's embarrassing enemy ai and laundry list of bugs i kept playing until this inoffensive job that's your job that's what you're supposed to do man at this point i would get your money i did a health inspection for a restaurant it was fine then i started checking the freezes and i found rats dead rats in the freezes i wouldn't have found them if you'd guys not complained okay what's the problem so this is good the problem is see nintendo fanboys you don't want me to review zelda more comprehensively you don't want that because then the number wise out of 10 would be like red full that's right the number would the number would be lower and that's you don't want that do you want that you want number to be bigger so in this weird this weird twisted uh uh kind of viewpoint you basically play good games less and bad games more to even out the score that's basically what what's being said right uh it's more of a this is the there's been many attempts over the years for jim sterling to shut up people who say mean things and this is the newest strategy and i've just found it absolutely baffling but you don't want me to be more honest and thorough because you wouldn't like the results it's like a threat and also isn't it's like a really bad thing to put out there that publisher that potentially uh less less than up and up publishers and developers might think like hey if we front load all of our content doesn't matter after the first couple hours because the reviewers won't even play it that's a really bad precedent to set i think i just can't get over the fact that we've we basically just had uh sterling admit that i could have reviewed a game positively that was bad and that's better just like why is i better i thought that the most important thing surely would be accuracy surely that's what you're there all the time accuracy integrity honesty that's the thing like a trifecta that people will absolutely love about videos whether or not they agree with them i wonder if there's an asylum somewhere full of people who have been broken by jim's low scores of their favorite games if only he didn't play them with breath of the wild because that was given a seven right or six seven or six something like that same thing happening again and it pisses everybody off which um you know like it's something that's worth there is definitely that can definitely be when it comes to particularly hyped up video game releases where a small contingent of people get pretty rabid about anything like lower than absolutely glowing praise and particularly get fixated on number scores yeah people can get really really really fixated on whether a game gets like an eight for instance that an eight is unacceptable because video game scores are so skewed yeah not really mad at me about elden ring yeah that definitely exists but i mean that exists for basically every game and can we not can we not let that ruin our ability to have real conversations you don't have to dignify these idiots with a response yes but by doing this kind of response you you have you have demonstrated yourselves to be very big mad about the topic yeah this is definitely an emotional response this video there's definitely a fervor especially about the zelda games recently too i remember breath of the wild i mean i enjoyed it i had some problems with it too most people i know really really enjoyed it i probably say it's a good game for sure but i didn't like it as much as much as most but the just the kind of environment around the reviews were crazy i remember pro jared this is pre pro jared controversy so that nothing to do with that i remember he reviewed it and he said like a 10 out of 10 and he said oh there's a couple making issues but they're so minor it's not even worth mentioning and i should i shit you not either the next day or the day before he had a one-on-one interview with reggie from nintendo and it was like an exclusive interview and everything like okay it's like i really can't take your reviews seriously if you're that kind of cozy with the are you going to trash their game and then i talked to reggie hey reggie i really respect your work and your games are great immediately like there's a price to honesty and that's just sort of like welcome to life it's just one of those life things but it's a reviewer thing though like if you're a viewer that's a choice you have to make or do you want to have honesty and integrity or do you just try to get paid like you have to make that choice eventually and people like that they just expose themselves it's difficult too because if you see uh you know let's say you really really like the witcher three and you got kind of cozy with uh cdpr and and everything like that like i i'm an affiliate of gog for example if gog did something really bad i would i would feel a little sting of guilt criticizing them but i probably would because i i count my honesty and my integrity more than a couple bucks of of uh everyone's while from somebody clicking on an affiliate link it's not that not that big of a deal it doesn't end my life or my career if i you know criticize them but i could see getting really cozy with cdpr and then they drop uh serapong 277 and like oh what do i do now do i violate that relationship it can really affect you your opinion subconsciously or you know directly sometimes and yeah it's dangerous it's really dangerous if you want to keep their objectivity you have to kind of you have to kind of keep your distance keep keep even people you like at arm's length mm-hmm it i've been party to some fucking dumb attempts to discredit a negative review to final fantasy 13 one of my earliest reviews to send the community into hysterics was discredited by some because i said i hadn't beaten the final boss i'd gotten to that final area i just did not want to fucking bother playing that last tiny stretch because i loathed everything up to that point and it really didn't matter to me what are you good for them well i mean then you kind of you the people are criticizing you then it's just a job it if that were in the video you know i mean like as long as you didn't fucking comment on it then what did you do because it makes me think like what did you do what did you say that pissed everybody off yeah you played the whole game beautiful one boss did you claim to a fighter did you claim that you did the whole thing did you did you talk about the story conclusive conclusively sir that's bad even though you didn't see the end of it because you just didn't do the rest of it all the way in the end you're right there man you're right there man matter to final fantasy fans who delighted in what they perceive to be a silver bullet not one of them stopped to consider that if i hated the game after 50 hours what on earth would make me turn around and love it after 51 a better understanding variant you cut like this is so simple if one hour doesn't make that much of a difference then just fucking do the hour your game reviewer but this all assumes every single person that ever says anything is like if you played it more you'd like it maybe they just mean if you played it more you'd be more accurate that's all man imagine playing bio shock infinite and then skipping the ending and then commenting on the story the ending would absolutely either make or break that story for you so critical in morons as a concession i did watch the ending cut scene on youtube after oh my god you who was in that session that was such kindness thank you jim thank you merciful i watched the clip though you oh my god oddly it didn't make me rise the skill okay okay that doesn't why did you consider that said like a victory like haha yeah dode you is like i didn't change my mind i don't know why i didn't just power through and beat the final boss but if jim's opinion was one that i sought and it was consistent like i could get some value out of a video at that review you know it's like okay at least he played 99 percent of it like i probably can deliver a good sense of what it's like to play generally but like with certain games like if you if you were to like review final fantasy seven before you even get out of midgar it's like yeah there's so much there is wait wait wait wait wait midgar is from final fantasy seven uh yes there is there is a car in the parking lot where i live and there is a license plate on the back of the car that says midgar mid g a r is that what that's from a mid god mid midgar specifically i think is from ff7 it's based on mid guard which is a norse mythology i believe yeah that was i'm aware of but okay yeah one without without without the yeah without the mystery solved yeah mystery solved now i know what that car license plate is referencing on that topic by the way uh if someone was to review bloodbones bosses and they had old hunters attached and they're playing it all and they said listen i can review the bosses i may have missed a couple at the end but i've i've got it it's like which which couple at the end it's like oh you know maria and cos and ludwig could be like you missed you missed like i can see people being fucking furious and be like whoa calm down i fault like fucking 18 bosses is that all good enough it's like kids i don't know it's not those who don't know that's just the those three three of the best bosses in the whole game yeah no there wasn't okay i was gonna make a cheeky reference and say um about the whole not playing through the end thing like uh imagine if you got a roger ebert review it's like yeah i watched about 75 of the success yeah it was all really predictable i really needed like a twist and and you know something to kind of really tie it all together i felt they're kind of kind of boring really is like there are some films or stories that are told that really don't like everything doesn't click right in until that like latter third yes it's the crescendo is the climax there's so many different ways to do it but like a lot of the times it's it's essential part of the story to see how it all ties together or get the pledge the tune and the pristine that's another one that ending there imagine not seeing the the procedures make any fucking sense if you don't watch the last dude i didn't even want to reference it but like both reveals imagine skipping out on both reveals imagine if you were playing mass effect and then you got to earth and you're like yeah i think i'm done and then you go on the internet it's like wait what why is everybody what's everybody so often asked about why are you shocked you give up a heffestas like this as far as you get just like you haven't you you're gonna review the story and you're having you know sometimes the ending might not change your opinion sometimes it might change it dramatically yeah that's always a possibility why remove yourself why limit yourself in this way there there are movies where the ending absolutely makes it there's some movies where i did not enjoy it up until the ending i'm like oh wow that makes the whole thing way better and there's movies and i won't name the names in case you ever want to watch it but there's movies where it's it was all a dream or was all in the person's mind and it completely kind of deflates the entire all the events of the film yeah you can obviously go multiple directions don't just imagine hot fuzz imagine you stopped when he first sort of gave up on the investigation went back to chilling out like so many examples the ending of sa the first sa movie you don't get to see the twist like it's just there's every movie ending twist would just be talking about a movie that fucking needs that final help we can get another review written by someone who didn't finish the game i think the outlet was ign i could be wrong it was a long time ago but it came out that their early copy of the game was busted and they couldn't play the final third regardless they published a review anyway confident okay so that could be a problem i'm fine with it if you make that clear apparently you knew that so it seems like they made that clear in that review question i wanted to check it might be something afterward right but maybe yeah just tell me just tell me yeah that's it just tell me if you said like i'm reviewing all of the bosses in bloodboard except for these ones and i've heard they're pretty good but this is my opinion of the all the other ones who be like all right you know i can't take issue with that that's fine you made it clear they played was it not people are mad at jim because he wasn't disclosing these things well it's it's so simple dude it's it's this cell the game is a seven out of ten but you haven't played more than like 10 of it i don't care right that's that's it that's as far as it goes and a lot of people will be like you know there's going to be people who'd say you'd like it a lot more if you played more there's also going to be like you the way you talk about the game it sounds like you know nothing about it you need to play more of it like those two factions exist it just seems like it'd be worthwhile to load your statements a lot with to be clear i haven't because when uh when we did the forge on it i was the one who hadn't completed it and i feel like i said like 10 times bear in mind i haven't completed it bear in mind this is where i'm at you know bear in mind this would all be subverted by or interacted by uh just calling it first impressions and that's the thing if you play that 10 percent of the whole thing that's probably what you should call that a lot of it just comes down to being clear about what you're trying to say and where you're coming from but i think i i get the impression that if press to talk a little bit more about the perspective on zelda that sterling would say yeah i didn't complete it but i i think but this is it right this is it this is my statement on that game and that's that's it and i'm done um rather than rather than admitting i yeah could be wrong could be completely wrong about a lot of things i could be wrong but you know i have limited time there are other things i'm more interested in i you know i i feel like it wouldn't have much to add a little bit of like earnest honesty can go a long way instead of just like this petulance you know i mean yeah this this is pretty this this is a strange video is some it just it you know such a sense of bitterness like i said earlier because i can understand the confusion sometimes someone would say like what's the what's the equivalent of getting to pass the tutorial or something in in bio shock versus elden ring and someone might be shocked to find out it's like probably killing margo like that's actually completing the tutorial available i i imagine some people will be like that's insane that can that took me like 30 hours it's like okay but like that's the truth i don't know what to tell you and that's just reality yeah like you have an experience anyway near what it has to offer when you've only done that i'm sorry if you have limited time if you have limited time then just play like some of those you know sony cinematic like action adventure get maybe not go to war because that's pretty long you know play and do reviews of uncharted because you can beat those in like 10 15 hours that's more suitable for that but they take on these games that actually have like extensive information and they don't do their job zelder is a hundred plus hour game you know a chunky boy i had a lot of lots and lots of streams of that game i was crazy i think i mixed up margo's wetness with is it margot in the field it's market and more got and then margo is in bloodborne yeah okay all of that yeah there you go see how you mix that up someone said margot right margot the fellow that's what you're saying at first i'm assuming you mean market right not the guy in the capital the funny thing is you'd be able to understand what i'm talking about easier if i just said yeah the tutorial boss basically the first not the the guy at the front with the horse but yeah the big big boy that everyone got stuck on but as soon as you pass him you're basically free and clear you start going real fast one thing for a content drought where nothing is worth doing oh i didn't say that he said that now i said that no good games no good games i love all games and everyone they're beautiful and i play them to completion and then review them gray you know i see him clearly i jeans and i mean at this point but i will say the one thing they did do that was actually pretty cool when they were approaching a very big game like a big replayable game or like an rpg that has like like hundreds of hours of content and they weren't able to fully analyze everything by the time the embargo was lifted which is quite often like a week or a couple days they would do this kind of cool thing which you can only really do in a written review but it was they called it review in progress where they would post an early version of the review and state exactly at what point they're up to and their impressions so far and they would update their article over time until it was a complete review and they would score at the end i thought that was a cool way of giving you an early impression is if you absolutely need to know what they think of the game so far on release date they'll give you that but then by the time that they're actually finished they have a fully fleshed out not rushed fully thought out review after they play the whole game and i think that's a cool compromise again you can't really do that with videos unless you're really small videos because youtube doesn't let you replace videos but that's a kind of cool compromise i think in that risk guard to be able to kind of work on it over time and update it as you get more of the game done he was after all nobody whined at them nobody pointed fingers nobody said they hadn't played enough did they make that clear in the video if they did then that's probably why nobody complained the difference between me and them they gave the game a high score oh that's what it was you know that you can uh be correct accidentally like you can say the correct thing for the wrong reasons and that doesn't make it okay well i'm also like don't pretend that they were in a world where as long as you give a positive review everybody will let you cycle past with like shitty reasoning you know this the toxic positivity thing has to be pushed everyone in some walks it's a real thing it does happen and uh i guess what i'll concede on is it's easier to get away with a shitty good review than a shitty bad review probably yep yeah but that gets flipped depending on the like you know like a really bad review of golem but that you change you call it bad like you'll get you'll get away with that who's gonna notice yeah i'm gonna care what is the cartoon he man right he man yeah yeah i didn't i didn't watch him at what's that guy on the left who is he he's he's very he's very um he's a black lagoon it's uh he's terrified he's a very expressive and interesting looking fella you can tell that it's he man because he's looking at him hideous oh my god oh i mean i love everything in all people apparently it's is he merman is that his name okay maybe i wouldn't have guessed that by looking at him and what's the guy on the right who's he oh i'm thinking kevin paul i don't know what's gonna be kevin uh i don't know about that beast lord or beast master or beast man is it man i think beast man yeah oh man and beast man how caring today i really like skeletor is the best character skeletor gets a fuck yo he man off is the best thing i've ever heard this podcast stands for skeletor and his cousin the horned king there's a guy called mad at arms is there as well cool i'm sensing a lot of phisto phisto is a character right phisto oh you pissing so hard pretty sure phisto is a guy in this i like skeletor because that's what it's really all about isn't it no it's not it's not really about whether or not you played the game until the end it's not about how much you played it's about how much you agreed with that we can see all that doesn't follow from being explicitly positive then does it if you have to agree then it goes both ways because you're cynical doesn't mean that everybody else is besides everything just there are so many reviewers who have such respect on this fucking site for how they may take a controversial opinion but that they will justify or they'll put the work in yeah i think they exist you know that the beginning when you write the script get your references make sure you have all your information and proof and then you get to talk about how you still have it is interesting that i mean have you have you ever once considered that you might not be very persuasive on this subject no that that might be no he hasn't thought about that but allow me to have you ever considered that let's say that we assume that your your conclusions are correct in these instances that maybe you're not going about it in the best way to convince people what you're doing is right i come up with these crazy theories the notions of what games are objectively good i could show them a 100 percent completed save file and it wouldn't make a difference i think it would i really would tell us why it wouldn't make a difference and tell us why and if it didn't make a difference then you've spent how many years on youtube unable to garner a somewhat good faith audience yourself okay my dude you suck this is so cynical they'd find something else as i point it out always well the fuck is the point of this video and fuck it why is a bother people in one argument always gotta be someone who's gonna be like eh i'm stupid and i'm going to blame you for it that's what's gonna happen i don't even have a big channel and i know that happens how long have you learned on the platform what is happening you but you learned that from just gaming as a kid like age of empires as a child people like talking shit you get thick skin from the very beginning and you just learn that's the internet there's nothing you could do before unfiltered these people are just like point was just made is like oh you know even if i was to do the thing they're asking they're just gonna be bad faith anyway no matter what then you suck you suck it like you were saying you suck ass and arguing then if you have no way of battling this problem then just get don't talk about it you're not gonna be doing it the landscape has been laid now so that there's just always bad faith it's like so what was the point of this video if if that's all the point is just there are people out there who aren't nice to me okay that's crazy can i give you an example i'm going through the my iron man video the number one criticism i had in that video like a hundred times is oh you can't compare riri to iron man because she doesn't have her full movie when my entire point is that you don't need a full movie you just need good writing you can flash someone out in a single scene so so many people said that like i wake up every morning to someone oh you can't talk about riri i'm gonna have to address it in like a podcast or a video of some kind and i'm gonna make sure i have all my references so i have a list here of all my favorite cameos and like you're gonna compare it to that make sure to be very bitter and at the end say even if even if she had a whole movie you guys would have been said anyway so but charlotte thanos both of them didn't have their own movie you know and they were both fantastic to charlotte was better in his in his um introduction movie than his own movie he was only to charlotte was great and there's a million counters to it it just yeah so i don't know i can't take this person seriously how the how the fuck are you gonna come out here with the video the the subject is people are mean to me on the internet and i don't like it when like half the premise of your channel is being really inflammatory yeah like jim is really inflammatory how do you come out in that ridiculous suit and still have thin skin like i just don't understand you you just oh because it's a replacement for a good personality what is come and talk about fat cousin i don't get it veins no vein vein all right the glasses the veins fat cousin man the glasses remind me of vein and also like i can't i can't understand how you've been almost reviewing games for professionally for most 20 years almost reviewing games is a good way to that was almost a review yeah but uh yeah just like 2006 apparently i i i know them from like all the way back in their destructoid days and stuff like that it's like been around the bush for quite a while so i don't know how you don't develop that skin early enough i've only been doing it for like seven years and i i've gotten both ways i've reviewed things poorly people have been like you just didn't understand you didn't play enough or didn't watch enough i and there's a couple instances i i streamed a game and had mildly positive impressions of it somebody bought the game on my recommendation just having streamed it for a couple hours and like i didn't like it and they like the dm means like i didn't like this game like i'm sorry and then and another one happened was like i mildly recommended a movie as part of a genre and they're like yeah i sat down and watched this with my dad and i didn't like it kind of explain yourself and i'm like what i i kind of like what you didn't know what's to explain yeah it's just very funny another recent video these people have such a warp to view of reality that they think their opinions are reality this is why they flip out over me though you know what's wrong with these bad faith comics is they think they matter a lot to them like yeah probably some guy on the internet who's wrong do you know how many of those there are with them they don't think you're disagreeing with their opinion they think you're fighting the objective truth of the fucking universe this revelation about their mindset has only really hit me in recent months but it explains so much like the amount of times we laughed at people be objective getting angry because they you can just be more accurate for fuck's sake that's all people think people think the things that they say and believe are true or accurate crazy more 11 not like damn who do you people think that they're right people don't vaguely hold opinions that they think are fucking wrong what a surprise we've gone through it so many times we're just like you know when when it's like Peter Parker is characterized as a serial killer in hammering me spider-man too people be like no he's not it's like excuse me you try to be like oh my opinion's objective it's like no no references that's ridiculous that's a that's a ridiculous you've made it ridiculous i reject it like i i refuse to engage with that i but when a hypothetical can't happen or is unlikely to happen i i just i don't take it seriously well i mean it is a relevant one like there is information about a game that you can get right or wrong that's possible i mean it can be simple things like saying yeah i really enjoyed playing uh tears of the kingdom i love the part when samus blasted that cannon that was really cool i wish stamos would blast my cannon oh yeah i mean what because she's a good shot she's really efficient with firearms and destructive devices so she'd do a good job the point being it's just incorrect information you know she doesn't appear in that game so it's not even it's not even right and what and what do you do with that it's like you can get things right or wrong that's possible yeah there's too much opinion in this review on the surface not that that's who is saying that anyone has ever seen that statement we often get that criticism oh they have too many are they too much opinions all right there was that old video of like the purely objective review it's like this is a video game you can play it with a controller oh yeah yeah yeah yeah it was very frustrating obviously the floor of the video would just be the follow that logic a little further along there's still a lot of things you can state as fact about the game but anything really yeah just just watching this just watching literally this still screenings like okay you can get up to 32 something hearts you can fight the flame Gliac boss on the bridge of Halea it takes about 33 to you know 50 shots or whatever i don't know how many but you know things like that you can actually you can well the wikis will provide you all of it you know oh absolutely you could write it actually if you researched a lot of wikis you could probably write a pretty thorough review just based on secondhand information if you wanted to be lazy about it but yeah it's interesting and you're right you're one of them will be an interesting thing to do review a game just based on thirdhand information oh yeah and then don't reveal it until the end or like a week or a month later and just be like yeah by the way this review you guys loved and truly randomize the footage too like you grab an hour of long play and then chop it and then have a randomizer pick what order the clips go in that could be really cool yeah it could be interesting this it sounds stupid to accuse a review of reflecting the reviewer's opinion too much you already let us know that was not the issue they took with you it was you're not finishing the game and you've got inaccuracies this is straightforward does that have anything to do with you but having an opinion this is this really is like just flailing about every single thought that's coming into your head as soon as the rises me wrong it is fucking stupid but we can understand the logic from their perspective you've just told them the sun is green to these you might have though you might have said the sun is green and they're like it's not green types of zelda fans a seven out of ten isn't just a conflicting opinion nothing so trivial it's sacrilegious okay yeah but when if if you're seven or ten is built on the foundations of several inaccuracies then yeah people can be like that seven is inaccurate yeah that's when stealing says and responds oh yeah i'll give it a six if you carry on okay in the matrix it needs to be stamped out burned off fucking killed on site because it's a terrified anomaly that introduces the threat chill out a little bit i buried insults this guy is okay get over it what they know to be true turning out to be false when gamers tm get mad over review schools they don't think well who else is mad here like i'm mad everyone's mad everybody their arguments through they don't consider how a logical their stated desires are or how infantile they sound they're laughing out i do i do love that it's like don't you understand you're illogical and infantile that's also those two sentences back and back how could you possibly say that you didn't watch this back you didn't risk script this a lot you just picture the person who plays a shit ton of this game checks the review says i really feel like you didn't get a good grasp of this you know play it more at least get get to the final boss like i think this is a shitty review and the game is far better than a seven and it's like do you understand how infantile you're being okay so triggered man that's the thing with a lot of criticism criticism it can always like reflect easily it's like you're so fucking mad aren't you and you're like that's that's why i brought up the re-read that that's why i brought up that example of re-read to add to this where like it just means you didn't even watch the video or pay attention because my main point is that you don't need it doesn't you know it doesn't have to be your full video a cameo can be enough a five minutes can be enough but people's like idea of criticism is just so like lazy sometimes they just don't really put any thought into it madly add a threat to their objective truth deep down they don't fucking care how much tears are the kings of my clade they truly don't they only care about what they think is real is real and they will claim anything no matter how unreasonable to chop up some onion i don't know dip that reality in gravy and shove it down your fucking throat then your throat is more gravy just so we're clear so adding cut back to this it's not about whether the game was finished it's not about nothing don't pretend like you just keep claiming that forever is cope it's not about finishing the game but it is no it's not but it is no it's not i'm telling you this is my issue right we're talking to we're talking to anyone how meta how meta is it that we're not watching the whole video while criticizing my god it's spent enough arbitrary time in the game before giving their opinion in a review that ultimately won't matter oh is that what we're going down it doesn't matter it doesn't matter guys we we did it i bingo bingo i got my bingo card it doesn't matter none nothing matters so i could do whatever i want fuck you just press delete on the video if this is on the channel at the end you know i mean yeah seriously what's the whole point of you being in your world on youtube it doesn't matter if you just say like uh you know it ultimately billions from years from now no one's gonna care about this review it's like okay i may have been mildly inaccurate about tears of the kingdom but conversely the sun will explode yeah yeah checkmate internet trolls you know the inevitable you know entropic heat death of the universe means that i literally don't have to care about anything yeah there's ultimate cop out and we'll only have the power that the fan base lends it a fan base that is as always just tiring because the fan base is fucking exhausting it's good that's the same thing i'm exercise it's pretty cool uh yeah i had it knocking about in a box a hyrule warriors box set for eight years uh discovered it by accident didn't even know it was part of the set because i was mesmerized by the scarf that's in it um and it still still works after all that time it's a nice little momentum okay the hyrule warriors the best zelda game on the switch i'm going to go back to feeling terrified i don't know if that pisses people off zelda fans let me know it has to piss oh yeah that sounded like a burn the idea is that the hyrule warriors games are better than what a very well regarded entries in the legend of zelda series yeah that's gotta piss people off motivated by the scary terry zelda fans whatever will i do well maybe i'll make another video about them yeah probably scripted this maybe maybe you'll show them how tiring and how much you don't actually care by making yet another video whining about it endlessly maybe shouting about a review for a computer game on the internet i called it a computer game about people shouting at you about a computer game on the internet yeah keep going the cycle continues that's it so by the way okay this is a waste of time that was a seriously why i feel like we've learned nothing gang nothing i just i'd never heard the argument before of don't make me review it further i will lower the fucking score i'm turning this car around i'm turning this number down turn around and they're moving for anybody and it's just like uh that's it back to win a pack did he make a single point that entire video or at least like anything lots of angry i got that yes very very angry big mad energy all this needs is like a skeletor rant at the end is like if you're if you get mad at me i'll review the next other game of four out of ten anything but that please don't that's just i i found it funny i think even it was in the same take like 10 seconds apart he's saying on one hand um what did he say uh well he says uh the fan base they're so exhausting and then like says uh the horrors is the best zelda on the switch without substantiating it and it's like dude you know you're saying a provocative thing there why do you think the fan base keeps keeps coming at all you just appreciate anything though rules for the i've noticed this oh it's just you pretending that you don't want to have the fight when you really really really like it you clearly enjoyed it more than talking about absolutely yeah he says after him over the zelda opinion and then he's just like oh you guys just won't stop will you stop seeing wacky things active on yeah the legend of zelda i mean come on don't have this opinion that um it's the jim sterling in particular is one of these people who want to say things and not get any like response to it they want to say things on the internet they want to say things on twitter they just want to put it out there and they only want to be listened to but the moment they get any sort of you know push back for it they act oh no all these people i can't believe it oh my god that's all these angry white men in the replies ah they do the whole song and dance and that's what's so shocking you would think you would learn how the internet works very early in your internet years like not i have to take it to this i think this is all deliberate this is the equivalent of splitting out the worst hot take twitter's ever seen and locking the thread this is basically the video quote of that you absolutely all the angry gamers in my replies yeah just don't say stupid things publicly and you'll be fine yeah they can't do that's not possible for i can't believe people are angry at me for saying such outrageous things i'm gonna mute this thread okay muting is muting this thread and i'm gonna let the gamer boy see in the comment like okay to tell me how so i have a channel please subscribe to this thing that's a thing and people like to do oh yeah well on the topic uh there's another video that i've been made aware of called you don't need to finish games now this one i don't think is it's less so about reviewing don't need to start games that's what i'm learning experience but maybe we'll agree with this one who knows maybe maybe it does happen every once in a while and you found let's give them a shot absolutely good stop oh i like us okay don't need to finish that game oh these colors i assume you'll agree with the sentiment in isolation you don't need to know that yes that's true yep neither for survival or yeah is anything like that yes it's it's not a good yeah it sounds very starting yeah yeah so far so good thumbs up yeah when i was a kid mario have a lot of money to buy games so this is some long ass anecdote about oh i was like this was 20 years ago blah blah when i was in thailand i didn't know they had a penis whatever but i'm not gay all right like i just don't it's gonna be this long thing and at the end it's not gonna matter well we played video games let him come yeah give him a story you don't know that it'll be pointless i'm wastey could be awesome when i was a kid we didn't have a lot of money to buy games so we rented we didn't have a lot of money to rent games often so i'd conveniently forget to remind my parents about return dates then get chewed out about late fees a couple of days later time constraints i had as a child when it came to playing games sparked a very early obsession with finishing them before the five-day period was up i had to beat that game child it was very necessary all right but now i have money so i can just keep the game and finish it later end of the video i needed to get all the secrets i needed to make sure i could keep up with the kids at school i couldn't lose to louis and his uncle at nintendo telling him how to fuck you louis i've always been the kind of guy that likes louis i guess i thought louis was chill but i guess other people don't like wow louis pretty sure he's spitting your food once when you weren't watching oh yeah i bet louis's uncle touches him oh no cheating scumbag high school was a delicious gator i didn't have a lot of money to buy games so i pirated them we didn't have a lot of bandwidth back then so i'd conveniently pretend not to know why the internet was acting so slow so you were the asshole who ruined everyone's life yeah so yeah he's not telling his truth he stole games too tell us about that this week as he said like he slowed the internet for everybody and didn't tell anybody and he also cost his parents money when he wouldn't let them games that he read did he just be like whoops oh well he's probably stealing his neighbor's wi-fi too i just have no money for this thing so i stole it i feel like this is the clean version of this backstory there's a real dark side yeah i sold the cast organs and misunderstanding of ethical pirating i had as a teenager when it came to playing games sparked an adolescent obsession with finishing them because any game would take a week to download i had to be okay all right is necessary because otherwise you might not have heard him dude you've been fishing about that for years and they're still doing it it's the first anecdote made the point man yeah but now he's explained how it went into his adolescent years this is a great story we're a minute in anecdotes hey guys i i'm sensing a theme here i don't know if you picked it up yet or not yeah i think he's talking yeah i think he had to beat that i had to beat that game i had to get all the secrets i needed to make sure i was in the know with my friends at school and on skype i couldn't risk getting spoiled on the new mass effect or be the one person in the call everyone had to do oh man it just goes to show you how old it goes to show how old we're getting what it's like oh when i was a kid i when i was an adolescent i didn't want to be spoiled on the new mass effect and i'm like oh fucking christ am i getting old i thought you were gonna say like a like majora's mask or some shit he's like no the mass effect game it's like mass effect two and three i didn't want to get spoiled they're like oh god guys i think i'm getting older see if gary would he be like spoiled on the new pac-man don't come no the new pac-man 2 the revengening it's like when you see these it's like when you see those threads like oh the vintage xbox 360 i'm like oh shit oh god i remember playing sonic on 360 in 2006 those were the days spoilers for i needed to make sure i was caught up so i could watch those videos on the games i wanted to play i wanted to be included i wanted to belong hey man this is a two minute stop story but he's broken lonely and he wants to be luis how much it seems like your uh video game experiences were determined by the people around you yeah seriously is that kind of a shame isn't it yeah i'm definitely one for like i really want to get gears of war so i can play it with people but i don't think i ever was like i've got to get gears of war on the day so i can complete the story i can fit in luis i waited to play it without me luis and his uncle are having fun and i don't get to have fun half the fun video games are them being immersive and you need to have your own unique experience with it and then you can share it with others but like this whole idea that like i don't know i feel like this guy damages his his his playthrough with these games well his his relationship with gaming is a bit yeah that's what i was there it seems like he's ramping up to a point right about how he lived i doubt it he was conditioned to beat video games and play them to an obsessive degree very quickly and then he probably didn't get the most optimal experience i'm guessing that's what he's ramping up to it's funny there's actually a good point in here but he's kind of missing two other really viable options one is uh i mean he's saying like either rent a game or piracy it's kind of like a pretty weird binary there's also lending people games like if you have any friends you can you can borrow a game for a week and and try it out and give it back to him or what i what i did even when i was working a lot don't break that job especially like you know get shot off the game stop they actually had a pretty good thing going i was able to buy a brand new game at a full price beat it in a week and trade it in for like 40 bucks and that was that that made the next game considerably cheaper and if you just kept that up really fast you could you could actually get new games for not nearly as much money they had cool deals like that for proper gamers i know you did a lot of like trading and use games and stuff yeah if you do it quick enough that they'll actually give you quite a bit they used to at least give you quite a bit of money back well i mean you can you can't bring up the discussion of how like use games in the the way that game stop does things can be uh kind of bad for the uh for the industry yeah i mean obviously after the first sale the the publisher gets nothing well it's just game stop kids make a lot of money meanwhile you can have a lot of people playing a game and then the developers don't get any i mean it's part of it's part of what ended up essentially prompting the massive massive massive overstretch that was the xbox one that's true that was that was true that was all fuck yeah mass effect three had that didn't the online pass where the only the new games had the online pass and there was like content there was uh yeah they had like that they quite often have like a one a one time code even by the time mass effect three came out the you had like a pre-release code that you could use one time to get that whole other character and then hold their story so that that was an issue but it is it is a product so there is no like legally no reason why you couldn't resell it so as well but then you they'd argue there's no argument you can make really against us doing online passes and stuff it's a product that we're selling so we're gonna do it that way i guess i'm just i find yeah like the the whole use game ecosystem of like game stop trading a man over and i'm pretty short total biscuit talked about it i in fact i think i was one of the ones that was a little bit more controversial for him was it because that's that's how many people were able to play new games so well yeah because nobody would argue principally against the idea of like lending games to your friends that seems totally reasonable and normal and as expected but an ecosystem of use games being traded in over and over and over again and a middle man making a lot of money while none of that goes through to the developers when it feels like it ought to yeah yeah if it's if it's kids in elementary school giving it to their friends to borrow that's one thing but when it does become like a part of the market itself for its sustainability it's an issue i know that xbox one tackled that head on and they got completely roasted yeah and then sony responded with that like here's how to trade games on ps4 and he's like hands them a game cartridge thanks you know this is like a really cheeky response video well yeah i mean it's such a mess i made it yeah the ps4 decimated the xbox one because of that it was such a huge hit to them even though the xbox would be a real the xbox one has dealt permanent damage to xbox as a brand they've they haven't recovered from that and that was back it was 10 years ago that was 10 years ago it was a decade ago and i still remember that shit came out everyone rightfully lost their fucking minds but then there's the the options of like yeah dlc is bound to your account if you really liked you know dragon age or mass effect you might want to get the dlc's when they come out that's that's income that developers can work on in the in the so it isn't it's certainly better than piracy and there's i would say it's certainly better than pirating the game altogether is is buying a used copy or lending it from a friend or whatever even though yeah technically the developer after first sale the developer doesn't get anything college was a super different story i had money to buy games and after an entire childhood of not being able to took a victory lap through the three games i didn't really leave a lot of my bank account those days so i'd conveniently tell myself it was only another week until my next paycheck and chewed myself out when the bills came around later the buyer's remorse i had as a college kid sparked a deep-seated obsession with finishing games i bought these games and i needed to squeeze every dollar out of them because they burned a huge hole in my wallet i had to this one's different though this is three this is three rows the other one's yeah it's a plural that's why i had to beat those games but you have so much more time because you just own it forever now so you don't have to like and i don't know about you but uh at l