ction And it could be that we just you know lost those people there The six people last year who said that But I noticed that last year there had been eight people who said that we were score two And this year it's up by six 14 So I hope that we converted all of those six people to just a little bit a little bit more optimism And we'll see how that continues as we go on Another indicator here just this is uh from the introduce yourself threads that Community members have started on the fedora discussion forum and this is basically you know show up say hello and Maybe somebody says hello back and just go a little bit about yourself And it's kind of neat to see this just sort of organically grow year over year with more people participating and more Messages if you are watching this and haven't said hello, please join Just if you've been around fedora for a long time or if you're brand new it's a great place to just drop in and Start talking to people and I really see this as kind of a sign of health when a community is Just has that sort of natural engagement there and that that's growing The place to go is in the water cooler section of our forum, which is sort of the the metaphorical Thing where back when people used to go into offices all the time When you want a little break you just go and get some water and there'd be somebody else standing around where the water Bubbler is and you you know chit chat a little bit. So this is kind of our chit chat section of the forum there Up go there There's also an introduction section in our fedora space on matrix who've chat dot fedora project dot org I've actually seen you know increased activity there as well It actually been so quiet for a while I just was thinking about starting a conversation about shutting that down because An empty introductions room is kind of embarrassing, but it actually started picking up So thank you for everybody engaging there as well. That's another place to do this kind of thing I don't have a chart for that one, but yeah, it's a Okay, so this is A section where I'm going to show some other metrics which are about our the therus Stats on the the metrics we have on the number of systems running out there in the world And I show a dinosaur here because we do not do any sort of invasive tracking This is all kind of an observation level thing So it's sort of like doing an archaeological dig is something that you is millions of years of reserve hundreds of millions of years And you can't really reconstruct exactly you can have a theory about how you're putting things back together So Steven smoojin who's one of the people who's worked on this and done a lot of work on making that system work over the years I've Joke about this dinosaur thing and this is the dinosaur represents uncertainty is basically what I'm saying here So here is the latest things from dnf count me release release release and I was like wait a minute I've been that that looks bad. This should be going up into the right something is wrong here So actually something is wrong here and It's one of I don't have as many graphs about this as I often do it might talk because I found some bugs Here there's definitely a bug in the way dnf count me is recording systems Their system age and there seems to be something else as well because I was digging into this I actually noticed this is another view of the same data sliced by By variant and each of the releases at their peak The latest one here actually hasn't reached its peak yet because it isn't that usually is right before the next release So that will still grow but you can still see it's not really the great trend But I noticed that This is only desktop systems that are going down. So all the rpmos tree base things are going up including the desktops and server cloud Those are also going up if they break them out, but the desktops ones are going down, which is weird So I think there's some kind of bug there And so I started looking into the older method of tracking where you just count the number of ip addresses that show up in the mirror every day Sorry, and I shouldn't say tracking because there is no system tracking here. This is just kind of counts overall So the other older counting method And it happens that there is almost a two to one correlation here If you just double the height of the old line It hits the new one and that it's so close to a factor of two that I thought are we double counting and I had people check this like double check this so many times We're pretty confident that that's just actually what the the correlation factor is and there's there's reasons for that That we can talk about that it might be reasonable basically Between behind every network between everybody's home home router or whatever on average There's two systems or there may be some big places where there are A lot of systems behind one network address translation address or so what we'll see what that is But you can see that like there's a pretty good correlation there for those releases Pretty magical. I'm I'm not really actually can like it still might be a Double counting error and I don't really like the the actual numbers aren't really important to me Even if it's double counting, it's kind of that the trend that matters So the trend matches in both cases here, which makes sense But if I look now at the more recent releases, you can see it at the very beginning It works and then all of a sudden the dnf count me and kind of flops off which is Really strange. Um, and I think it might have something to do with some bug in the way that is working in dnf So I didn't dig much further into this but I am um, you know, I don't want to just be like Oh, I'm looking picking the numbers that I want to see But I think there's pretty good reason to believe that the more optimistic numbers here are actually More reflective of reality. Well, we'll see next time around. I may be like well that turn out. There's something terrible That's part of the the fun of doing archaeology and you do more research and you find out more things But that's that's where that is there Uh, yeah, sorry uncertain results. Um, if I didn't traditionally do this in my state of fedora I might have just skipped the whole thing, but that would have been weird. So here's here's the transparent. That's what I've got Um, I think it's I think it's mostly okay This is a pause for water segue here. So, um In other news, um, exciting things that have happened recently in fedora Um If you follow it all this data fedora talks I've done you've heard me say for years that Having most of our activity on mailing lists and on irc hides our activity It buries it under something where most people who are you know using the internet today on their phones or however Are not really seeing or even able to participate in everything that's going on and there is a lot going on in the project So part of this moving our chat from irc to matrix, which has a much Lower barrier to entry and kind of more like what people are used to in modern chat apps That's been that's been one big improvement And I'm also hoping we can move a lot of our mailing list discussions to Discussion depth fedora project at org, which is a discourse based forum Um, I think in doing that It'll be more obvious that we're alive as a project and in fact it will help us be more alive We are selecting out a lot of possible participants for bad reasons It We want to make sure we can bring people who are been engaged in the project are used to those Along as well. We actually had a big long session here again. This is the benefit of doing my my keynote at the end of the Conference we had a big long session talking to people about how that will work Um, one of the things is we've got to make sure we bring the content to the new platform It's uh mo pointed out to me mo is right here in the front earth line. That's why I'm talking about her all the time Uh, but she pointed out to me that it's you know, it is about the content and and having reasons for people to be there It's a social problem more than a technical problem can't be solved with technology And so one of the things I wanted to do to do that is bring our change proposals there where we talk about You know, what's going to be different in the next release of fedora? We traditionally talked about those on the fedora develop mailing list I wanted more visibility. I wanted more participation. I wanted more feedback more engagement. So Uh, we had the first change proposal for fedora Linux 40. We decided to do that on the discussion forum And how did that go? Well, um, there's another ancient curse. Be careful what you wish for uh, we had um 1378 posts in less than a month on this topic and most of those during the first week and over the weekend I you can see the numbers in orange there on the slides I probably should have put little fire graphics on them or something to make the show how dramatic it was But it was it really kind of felt on fire or felt, you know, kind of like this another another view People got really upset And a lot of people were coming in Uh, you know, we got a lot of accusations that this was decided in the back room and that IBM had made us, you know, was making these decisions and forcing it on the users who didn't want any of this stuff And I realized that a lot of the people coming in here We're not necessarily new to fedora as a user But we're new to this process. So a lot of people actually said, you know, I've been using fedora for 20 years And this is the first time I've spoken up in one of these changes So they really felt upset about it And I I realized that this is kind of a thing that we had the same problem with our release process where people You see every time we are like, oh, we've got to we've got to slip the release date from what we'd planned To a later date. Oh, no is fedora, you know, they don't have their act together Really, like that's a normal part of software development like Every every schedule was optimistic, right? And so Usually what people do is they just don't tell you what the release date is and surprise. It's done when it's done and you know, so even like The red head interpersonal schedule that's you know, they they they tell you when it's ready Not when not what's going on behind the scenes and in fedora we show what's going on behind the scenes And it's the same thing with changes. We don't have that back room All of these things are done in the open in public and So this is this is not a done deal kind of thing. This was people bringing it This is a proposal they're working on it happened You know, I I'd seen it before if they're working on it But most people uh and fesco the fedora engineering steering committee that makes the decisions This is the first time they're seeing it. So, uh It wasn't that back room deal But that's what people expected when they came in because you know, they're used to big companies when making making these decisions in and then it's it is a done deal and Basically as a user all you can do is go to their forum and just light that up and Put all the complaints you can in place and get all your friends to talk about how bad it is and respond to everything with anger And you're not expecting the people who are making the decision to even listen Maybe some for a manager person will collect things up and that it ends up being a like This is the weight and the heat and the anger and that's how like you can get your feedback Which like that's not our process at all and A lot of people commented actually that they were upset that this fedora would even consider such a thing that this could even be proposed so that that upset me but in a different way because fedora is a big collaborative project and I hope most of the people in the room help most of the people listening know and understand this already But I want to talk about it because it is such an important thing Fedora tries new things. That's part of who we are We've got we've got Freedom as our core value and I think a lot of people you know identify privacy and Digital privacy as part of the free software source software You know, it's one it's part of that value and I think that's true in fedora We also have values for features and first so we want to try new things. That's really important And most crucially we are friends all working together It doesn't mean we think the same but it has to be safe to propose things that other people might disagree with like people have strong opinions on things but That's okay. We don't always have to agree But we're always working together towards this common goal to make this world that utopian world like Where everyone benefits from free and open source software and it's built by inclusive welcoming and open-minded communities and that's what we have to be in order to do this so Yeah That that's that's what we need and so I don't know if people recognize the painting here This is the school of Athens Socrates And so this is how that turned out So we need it to be safe Even when people think a proposal is annoying or something is terrible or even dangerous If something might corrupt the youth like we've got to make room for those proposals Because we got to be able to talk about them So we're going to continue Trying to do this in the open We could instead bring this into some sort of back room We could put it back to the mailing lists or we could use features to make it so that you know only People who have been active in the project for to a certain level or certain meet certain other thresholds can participate Or even see the discussion at a certain point We could do those things, but I really don't want to I think that transparency I think it's great that we had more people involved in this We're going to going to try some new rules this next time around Particularly we're going to have zero tolerance for personal attacks, which is generally what we do in fedora anyways But this time because we hadn't really Strongly level set the expectations We were kind of lenient on a lot of posts that Where we could see someone was really angry and they wanted to express themselves and they also happened to you know say that the person was Something bad about the person proposing it Including that The people proposing it, you know aren't Don't have fedora's best interests in mind that they are acting in bad faith and some of those are those are a Former personal attack that kind of undermines undermines how we collaborate in fedora. So This next time around we're going to hide those as a moderation thing that which gives you a chance to edit it We would like to have your opinion, but you've got to be part of the process part of fedora and and work in a collaborative way it doesn't mean There should be dissent we want to hear all of the sides But you can you can make your point without making personal attacks and conspiracy theories and all of those things We're also having in addition to the rules. We're we have a Video introducing the process and kind of a some more background presented to people and we'll see how that goes the next time So We'll refine from that and hopefully things will get better and better and you know No one will have to drink the hemlock in the end and we'll be able to Continue doing fedora in an open and transparent way and make that grow and grow Okay, uh, so That was maybe a little bit Yeah, I got excited. I've got excited the first time. I did this got excited about the second time I'm passionate about that. It's really important to fedora um other thing I mentioned a red hats layoffs before and Red hats well layoffs really sucked. I won't go into it in detail because Uh, there's not really a lot. I can say it's what it really is those things out of our control um And yeah, this is not like the none don't take anything. I'm saying as like official red hat or those observations it It seems that the cuts really targeted Program manager roles at the company. There are a lot of people Who had that title in various ways and actually even are the people in open source the open source program office who are Not doing what we think it was program management in any way Actually had their Roles coded as program manager, which I don't know. There might be some like metadata is important everybody. Let's get our labels right but Yeah, so it kind of did feel like oh like wow fedora is in the crosshairs here. This really like hit hit but I don't think that was actually the case so it really um It it was miserable, but we weren't fedora wasn't particularly targeted other actually important Actually important other important projects and things that in red hat also have to deal with the same kind of thing So it sucks all around Fedora has a kind of unique problem because we actually have The assumption that we have a funded program manager role like codified into the fedora council charter And this really is a role that we depend on so and Ben cotton who was the program manager has a really good explanation of why this kind of thing needs to be a paid position There's a lot of things in fedora that you know amazing volunteers do wonderful things but There are some things which we need to make sure happen And you can never make volunteers do things. That's one of the beauty of being a volunteer If you don't want to do something, you know, you don't have to you can just go off and do something fun instead Of that difficult thing or just you're keeping to a routine and so on So this is kind of a role which is a lot about routine And so that's important and in general kind of keeping the momentum this idea of flywheel theory You should find ben's book and and look this up. It's it's really good But yeah, so a paid role is helpful Doesn't necessarily need to be red hat paying for that role theoretically, but it's not like anybody else has stepped up but luckily Mike McGrath, who's my management chain got a new position created which was moving heaven and earth under the circumstances in the company I think it's unfortunate that he had to do that But like I said layoffs suck. So i'm really glad that he did uh because You can't hire back for a role you just cut in layoffs for you know legal reasons on this can't be the same But it's also kind of a chance to actually reinvent what exactly we want the role to be in The role to be it doesn't have to be like a program manager at red hat in general It can be something really really fedora specific. So we actually have an opening coming in this soon There'll be more details coming up that soon So I am I'm glad that to get that support Um also speaking of paid roles one that red hat doesn't fund that I've been trying to get funded for 10 years They we have a diversity advisor position on the council And I really think that should also be a full-time paid role for similar reasons and it is it is hard work Um, so if anybody else out there like I said, this doesn't have to be a red hat role Someone else can be paid to work on fedora full time I would love to see another company step up and help fund this for us I think that would be really important because that is Fundamental to who we are as thorough as well And I think it's an area where we could always use help and growth. So yeah, you know challenge everybody Yeah, um, and so finally because this is the state of fedora kind of have the past the present and and the future here Where is fedora going? So our last big strategic plan for the project was called fedora next and that was almost a decade ago So it's time for a new map And to have a map and a plan first. We need to know what we're aiming for Famously it is difficult to make predictions especially about the future And anybody who says that they know where technology will be in five years, like they're flat out wrong They need to go back and talk to socrates and you learn a little bit about the nature of knowledge but you just think about if How technology five years ago and like look at what's in the tech news today and you know all the stuff with large language models I think you know some people might have predicted Generally, but like knowing where to invest and what's important like that would be very hard Fingers in the future. So what do we want to invest in for five years? There's going to be some specific things But in general we want to double the number of fedora contributors who are active every week So that means we have more people who are engaged and we have a really healthy project That is able to grow and change and so whatever comes at us from a technical point of view We'll be able to adapt and have You know people who are interested and who will bring fedora into what's needed at the time And so that's that's the overall guiding star to double the number of contributors who are active every week I joked about this last time when I did this so I'm gonna do it again When I say it out loud you can have that it is not ambiguous But in writing it's very hard to get double the number of contributors active every week written in a way That doesn't sound like we mean to every week double the number until we have infinite number of contributors, which would be awesome, but is probably not an achievable goal Sorry till I'm going to keep phrasing it that way because I don't have another good way to put it But that's the basic goal growth if we could if we could do that exponential growth great But I'll be happy for doubling in you know that by the end of five years have Twice the number we have now So what is a contribution exactly? This is the definition we came up came up with You have to actually be doing something. It's not you know It's not just signing up having a username like that's not a contribution I like that to be a plural thing not to be contributions And not just a drive through like you're making contributions before you're a contributor It doesn't have to be a lot. It can be very little. It'll be a lot of different areas But you have something where where you're there And it has to be something that actually kind of advances this in the direction of our project It kind of fits fits the mission and vision, which is very broad But that makes it a contribution and it's not something that's just played an incidentally a benefit Where it is Something that happens to happens to be there, but you're not you're not really intentionally putting yourself into it and Um, that's yeah, so this is the definition I came up with And nobody has come up with a better one if you want to help improve this again everything in fedora We are all about the incremental improvement. So if you have ideas for improving this I've opened to it, but this is basically our working definition here Um, and this is another thing I've talked about before I will not go into detail on this But this is kind of the framework for strategic planning and execution we use in fedora It is called a logic model and the basic idea is that over here on the Left side the right side We have kind of that the abstract high level things the guiding star and you know your mission vision Any kind of things the things you want to see happen? But that are not things you can actually directly affect and then over on the left It kind of scales down to the more concrete and I like this model a lot because it really tries to Make you connect what you're what you're saying your high level thing is into how you're actually going to do it And also connect what you're doing back into how it does that thing So we've been working in fedora council and fedora at large on you some of the Themes that are kind of on the very high abstract side of things Um, these are kind of the focus areas there and I'm actually not going to go into big detail on the specific ones here Um a lot because you know, we're going through this process and we kind of hit against This very rough patch and kind of the momentum died out of the work. We are doing this I was hoping to present like here's our logic model for what we're going to be doing at flock this year We were way behind on that target, but you know Given the state of the world given the state of everything. I think that's okay I think it's very more important to make sure we have The community working on this and that we're you know working towards this overall goal Then to have some sort of you know, perfect thing on paper But we do want to work on it. So Yeah, this is kind of where we lost momentum here Maybe a little little time on this one here like there's I'll go through the actual themes So fedora is for everyone Work on accessibility that's making sure that people no matter You know what accommodations they need can use our software and participate in our project And we want to make sure that you The fedora linux is available in more people in more places on in more in more systems and that we invest more in our local communities We want to work on mentorship. This is we want to both lead in how we do the distribution and what's in the distribution technically That's basically this things here and then Kind of how we structure the project and and how how we are already kind of make the things that we're working on now Kind of grow into better stronger things kind of the one we really haven't actually talked about yet in detail is the ecosystem connections, which is kind of about how we relate to other other linux distributions and our downstreams so given Brought changes in that the last recent times Maybe it's okay that we didn't really get to talking about that in depth yet And we actually kind of had some of that conversation here At flock at one of the panels. So that's that's continuing. We'll have to figure out where that will go Next down the road here, we do need to get this restarted. It's This is an important thing to have we want to have have a plan that makes sense and goes where we're going and I think over the next six months and maybe we'll come i'm going to come up with some specific dates for that I don't really have that right now But I my target overall is to have something that we really are feel good about as a community with overall input you know work from the council and from Community at large into having something we all feel good about that will present at the beginning of next year and at fosdem at the next year So in order to do that we really need all of your help We need feedback on these things We need people who are you know running for the foot of our council and helping to work through the process And you think about areas that Community has come up with where you would like to contribute to those or where you could be a leader because for each of these themes We really want to have somebody who is the point person for that who is Kind of helping to keep that organized and making sure that that thing is moving forward And we're going to need a lot of different people with a lot of different skills for all of that And I also need to file a ticket with the design team to update the logo Oh, it's already updated. I just didn't find it. Oh Oh, that's terrible. I should have should have checked with you. Okay. Well, this is a lovely sticker sheet And there's a better version with the right logo on it there somewhere So yeah, the hope is with all that. Um, I think We've had this rough patch. We've had rough patches before Things are interesting, but I think that interesting, you know can be good. We can use that Use that to advance the project and we can use that You know that the times have changed to move forward to where we want to be towards, you know, this utopian vision or The utopian picture that you have in mind when you think of you know, the fedora ideals Thank you everyone Uh, do we want to do questions in the room? There's like 10 people in this room this time There was a lot more the first time this is kind of like a fake audience, but go you can applaud. Yes allows applause Excellent. Thank you. Uh, does anybody have any questions?  So we have We've got a we actually have a number of fedora mascots that are um Kind of under content. Yeah under I don't know what content is the wrong word, but um Hold on let me see if I can find them just a second. Am I the fedora mascot? I hope not I was thinking of like a cat Who gives like advice? Have a little like comic strip like garfield except with like computer problems to find things here A revamp of our beloved fedora characters here. So these are some of the Animals that have been in fedora and these are actually the uh, so there's a panda here that is you see appearing things at different places and uh different So these are the current cartoon versions of these. I'm not sure I I don't know. I kind of feel like classic beefy still is is is the beefy miracle version, but You know there's the new one's fine. We've got a badger a badger So we've got we've got we've got these here. They're kind of the mascots We don't have any any one single mascot and I I don't I feel like in some ways that's kind of appropriate for fedora because I feel like getting everybody in fedora to rally around one favorite animal would just be um We've got a diversity of opinions about favorite animals in fedora and I think that's okay Yeah, do you want to run the microphone? Thank you.  Yeah, seriously But uh, this is something that I've been having some some thoughts By definition a project is finite. It has a start and it it must Have an end you should buy ben's book where he points out that fedora is not actually a project but a program SAC yeah, um, are we planning to continue being named project? Yeah, so I actually had a discussion on Mastodon I'm trying to do mastodon. It doesn't come naturally to me but Yeah, but about that naming problem because project Project has a meaning in open source that people understand that um is It's hard to think of something that is better if you have a suggestion. I'm I'm open to it I think fedora program doesn't really sound right even though it may be technically right in the project management sense Um, there's also a thing that is very red hat That is kind of important to how this got named project in the first place which is red hat works with open source projects and makes enterprise Products and this project product distinction inside some of the red hat business unit and marketing is like a foundational myth that if you try and poke at you will get um You know mythological level response sometimes to to what are you doing threatening things and in fact at one point When we are kind of working on the fedora next strategy and we wanted to use kind of product thinking Or it's kind of about how to put polish on our outputs the things you Look at like what do users want to need and put those into the things we're giving them We kind of started wanted to talk about you know fedora workstation fedora server as products and that was the one time at red hat that I got a friendly talking to about you know Whether whether this was a thing fedora should really do or should reconsider and so um I We decided you know, we don't really need to fight over that and backed away from product I think that we really would have fought we probably could but I don't think it would have been a Useful outcome. Actually the other one is about hats. This is another thing because especially at the very beginning of Fedora, they were really Worried at red hat that it would be seen as you know a red hat endorsed Product and so they didn't want us to use hats at all in our marketing And that actually is still a request today and that is why even though we are named fedora You don't see fedora hats in any of the fedora official things Again a plight request that is not a fedora hat. That is a red socks hat You can wear that that's fine But that's why we don't do hats on our marketing again a plight request from our sponsor that seemed not worth antagonizing To stick with the name fedora project. There's an easy way out. The end is defined by world domination Was that the end is defined by world domination by world domination? Yes, we will be done when every Just like that paper clips game when everything in the universe is turned into fedora, then we'll be satisfied. Yes, the project is done That might not meet some of the what? Yeah, I just Of course I think there's the smart was the Measurable wait, I forget what the s stands for that's been a long conference Measurable attainable something Specific right that's world domination specific the entire universe. Yeah, that's all right, but measurable is the entire universe if it are it Yes, attain maybe we may fail on the attainable on that one though. So I we can Aspirational though we could call that All right, does anybody else have any questions or silly comments? I think we're at the silly comments phase of the conference Ten years ago. I think I've seen blue fedora. You may have seen some more fashionable than me former project leader wearing a wonderful blue fedora But not officially in marketing just as a fashion choice. Oh, it just happens to be a blue. It happens. Okay. I've seen them. Yeah Thank you everyone. You're welcome Oh, there we go. All right Soon Justin's going to be talking and saying things that have some sort of meaning I just wanted to thank everybody for making this so awesome every year For our conference whether online or in person is such an amazing invigorating thing that Helps me be recharged for the whole rest of the year and I hope that's the same for you I hope everybody is feeling excited and optimistic about where we're going If you're not come talk to me and we'll try and change that but Yeah, I'm you know tired but happy which I think is a sign of a good flock And again, thank you everybody and Justin will be more specific I mean first like let's give it up first flock in four years. Thank you And I also want to make a call out. Thanks to all of our our virtual folks who have also been engaging I said it in the opening remarks, which ironically we're not Streamed or recorded But you know, this was a first attempt at this year of trying to reimagine what the flock experience can be So although we were careful not to call it a hybrid event We were putting our toes in the water and trying to make it more accessible for people who are Weren't able to make it here or unable to travel for whatever reason So I'm really glad that in addition to bringing all these folks back together in person We're making small steps to still make sure we're including folks who could not be here in the room because flock really is an important part of our community space and the nest events I think really showcased that The the virtual spaces are really important for fedora and that those are also should be continued to be first class Experiences for our events as much as flock is But we're going to do that we don't need the traditional kind of close out here I know uh, some of you might have gotten the tip that you know if you've been to a flock before in the before times Usually what we do Usually it's on the fourth day and we have a morning We were we were one day or half day shorter this year is at the end session We have an opportunity for all of our speakers But we can also do anyone else that wants to uh share a flock story or experience because we've got a whole Whole hour block up here, but I'm going to ask for any speakers or or attendees or workshop organizers for uh to share three things Uh a low light A highlight and something that you're taking away from flock this year Whether that's something you want to continue doing or something you learned Um, can we have our our speakers and or workshop organizers can you raise your hands? Perfect, so there's a lot of you uh that are here and also just want to Thank you for bringing your coming to flock and sharing your content here I know it was maybe a little uh Last minute at times But I think it all worked out and we had a really great Arrangement of speakers and sessions So I want to thank all of you for your contributions here this year But we'll go ahead. We have uh robert and jen here So low light highlight it's something it was maybe challenging or difficult Highlight is something that went really well or made a positive impression and then One change or something that you're leaving flock with so we'll go amita and then we'll go back over there um First of all, I'm very grateful to be back here again at the flock in person The low for me is not able to see um The familiar faces anymore Including marina And few others like ben marie So that was a little low for me because they I worked with them a lot For many many years the highlight of Of the flock was the keynotes I'm again putting this In because It made me realize that community is still the community. It is still the same. It has not changed Even after so many changes Happened around us It is still the same. It's open. It's transparent It's inclusive So that's the biggest highlight for me The takeaway for me is that There are many new people in here the fresh and young people And they are trying to make their way in fedora and they are facing it is Amazing to see see and realize that they are facing the similar challenges, which I may have faced during my time So my biggest takeaway is to help them navigate those challenges Not the hard way which I might have faced but By sharing my learnings and experiences and motivating others the experienced people To share their learnings with these newcomers. So they don't have to learn it the hard way So these are Yeah, I think that would be good for our virtual folks We want to actually Trying to figure out this format a little bit as we go, but maybe yeah, let's do that because Trying to make sure you want to meet it to come up then just to say Yeah, come on come on up so we can just have You you don't need to repeat because I think it was on the mic Like this is Come up on the stage And Actually as people are moving up here that made me think I actually wanted to do this on the first day But by a show of hands, how many Peoples this was their first flock that they've ever been to Well, we'll do both. So this is your first flock in person That's almost I think almost half or over half of the room, which is that's really exciting Raise your keep your hand up or raise your hand if this was your second flock It's a large larger other portion or still a large portion third flock fourth Six I think there were seven flocks on three nests. I think that's the count we're going for and now raise your hand if you have been to one fedora nest That's almost everyone two nests three A good chunk of the room. So it's really refreshing to me to also see all the new folks that have been here And to see that in addition to you know, we have a lot of sorry to interrupt you I was the person who was speaking before this statistics and metrics has been taken. So hello, everybody So also give your name and where you traveled from with your so Isaac i'm from cork, but i'm traveling from boston usa I'm part of the risk five international foundation group part of the linux foundation And for me the highlight was the low light. I'll be honest was I had too much. That was a low light And the highlight was I got to meet. I was surprised that I got to be able to meet other distributions as well. So rocky alma linux and in addition to just fedora, which was cool And the takeaway was there's lots of risk five follow-up on opportunity and coordination and triangulation I'll be doing with the people that I've met here this week So thank you justin for the invitation for accepting my proposal and I'm really happy and glad I was able to be part of this It would have been rude not to have you here. We're in your hometown Name and where you came from and then low light highlight one takeaway. Okay, uh, david cantrell I'm from boston usa as well um So i'm not going to do them in that order because I forgot I had one One highlight, but I want to add in two That I went one short So I really liked that we had The enterprise linux communities represented here as well at flock that to me was a A strong highlight because effectively we are one large community and we all You know collaborate together. So it's nice to have that, you know in one place and I think we should continue that effort The other short one is i'm a huge fan of the 30 minute session Like that made managing the days so much better. So I think we should really stick with that low light I already told you don't put windows laptops in for presenters and don't make me use powerpoint And then the takeaway I think One of the best things at any conference always is what we call the hallway track the networking the socialization I thought that was fantastic here, especially After how much time it's been since the last flock I had a lot of really good conversations with people on how to improve Communication and collaboration within the projects um that i'm involved with And got just a lot of good feedback. In fact, you might call it. I you know a lot of good discourse that I had so Ah, no, come on. Come on But no seriously, I I really appreciate the feedback that I got from everyone and it was You know I after one of these I get recharged and I go back and there's just so much work To get going on and leading up to the next one. So thank you Hello, uh, I'm going to start with low life I name and where you came from name where I came from Troy Dawson from Spokane, Washington, USA Low life, which was really wasn't that low. Uh, it's all been high Nobody showed up for my kitty. I know there was a couple of you there But uh, that was my favorite talk and uh, nobody showed up But it wasn't that bad Everybody showed up for my alternative images talk, which I was baffled by and surprised And I appreciated that Uh, this year for the state of fedora or state of apple. Sorry, matt I I actually tracked down all The the distributions that used apple and I was surprised at how many people was like, yeah, I use that little That's me that one and that's So I was excited that people appreciated that that is only happening once because now that If people expect that there's going to be some weird names in there And the final thing that I was excited for thank you all for your positive feedbacks on my shirts. Um, I appreciate that so If you put a weird name in there in order to minimize tracking of things actually filter out Um, the outliers so you will not be counted in my official overall stats So keep that in mind your the amount you would like to be You know counted as you know towards the overall Growth of everything versus the amount you want to appear in a funny name in a talk Both of them had their advantages. Just keep that in mind Name's akash deep third I came from poona india. Um, if my voice sounds familiar Thank you so much for attending the websites and apps talk as well as the state of the community infrastructure one as well So talking about the low light, I do think we could have done a better job at you know, the remote You know being a hybrid event the folks are joining us remotely. I guess it's the one sided event for you folks Well, there's always a scope for improvement. So let's hope that we can have a better hybrid event for the next time onwards For the highlight. Yeah, I was able to know that a bunch of fast usernames are actual human beings They're not some ai writing code making design and then trying to kidnap me No, you're actually human beings very lovely human beings might I add It was a very lovely meeting you folks and it's my first time in flock over here And what's my takeaway?  So I guess that's what I'll do. I've made a bunch of friends I think robert as well. We have the statistics thing that we need to take care of now. So bunch of collaborative opportunities That's about it. Thanks I'm amy marisha. I came from texas I'm going to start with a low point too. There were some talks that I had to miss because I went to other talks But that always happens at least We weren't any speakers weren't actually scheduled on top of each other, which has happened to me before so, um High point was really meeting everyone and I've been more Sent to us than fedora and I was really happy to see our communities come together for this Because we are side by side And having the enterprise linux folks here from alma and rocky also helped us to bring those communities together So that was a really big thing loved cork Loved the weather it's a hundred and something at my house right now. So sorry not sorry Thank you. Amy. Um, uh, I am Ivan from chihuahua, mexico Latam or please latam My low is jet lag. I'm still jet lag and if I tend to mumble it's because of that My high is seeing a lot of nerds that love fedora Uh, you are lovely guys in person and in eirc and everywhere And my takeaway is watching This guy is doing multi medium packages migration From rp and fusion to fedora, and I'm very hyped and motivated to help you guys So I'm gonna start doing that when I wake up Thanks. Thanks guys for putting out this event My name is sandro in the community known as penguin pee. I traveled from the netherlands. I live in the hake The low was last night's activity for personal reasons. I won't get into that The highlight was that we are able within the community to have heated discussions That set off fire alarms without burning down the building And my takeaway is that we have a great variety in the community and One thing to add is for the conference Even though we don't call it the hybrid event yet It should get one and it should stay it makes it more accessible for everyone So, hey, I'm nekita and I traveled from deli india to here and I'll tell you about my low lights highlights and learnings So, uh, there was no low light for me really, but I guess it was sort of a cultural shock to have the vegan food over here It's a it's there's a less variety over here. Maybe so yeah, that was a slight low light for me The highlights were many I would say so this was my first trip out of india for the first time that I got this opportunity to come out because of fedora and I got to map Faces to the handle names I used to see in the chat on the matrix channel so and I never expected such events to be This fun So I was I had an expectation that I'll be sitting there and I'll be taking notes It will be very technical but The the fun parts and the way the sessions were interactive They they were they were beyond my expectations. So it it was a very very fun event for me and The takeaways So through the sessions I learned more about redhat. So whenever I work for some organization, I try to Search them up try to read about them try to learn about them But more than the online reading and researching I learned more about it through these sessions and Yeah, I felt very much included over here. The community is very very nice. I didn't feel excluded I felt appreciated and I felt motivated to contribute even more because I I have heard people who start contributions to open source through programs like gsoc and outreachy and they discontinue the contributions thinking that they are not paid anymore For the contribution. So why should they contribute? But I feel that contributions give us a platform to learn more about The working of the organization and they also give us a plane to develop our skills So that was that was a take away from me That's one of my favorite flock things for the first flocks is just putting the the fast IDs to faces That's like I feel like the the most important one of the most important first things at flock It's mr. Maureen Duffy. I guess this has boston may My So um, yes, my low light is that I had this plan that I was going to do that at my talk And I forgot Because I had some laptop issues the first day and my talk was the first day So instead of getting to fully engage that morning I was desperately trying to pick up the broken pieces of my demo Which was not as cool as it could have been but at least I had something that worked Um, the I'm glad you like that. Yeah Gourmah agit Gourmah agit Um, the highlight would be getting to meet Jess and amma and paul who are members of the community design team The fedora design team that I had been working with for quite some time and never met in 3d So and we actually have a really cool group photo that we took I tweeted it out on the conference hashtag And we're holding out all of the mascots and just has kalour who's the flock mascot up on the screen there And she's holding him. So um, what was the other thing a learning or take away a take away? Um I don't know you all there's a great group of people and I really missed you. So I'm glad to be here I'm justin forbs. I'm from, uh, texas Came over here from there Lowlight would probably be the number of people who are frequently at flock who could not attend For various reasons. There's a lot of missing faces that I would have liked to see But that didn't stop it from being a fantastic conference and the highlights The hallway talk was great. There's a whole lot of work. I've got to do We've got to do a lot of things to improve the the manageability of the kernel and a few other things. Um I learned something about discourse that I didn't know before so that was kind of cool and Yeah, it was pretty good Other take away is I apparently I need to update my profile picture because You used to have a long hair to no beard and I have introduced myself to several people who I've known for years Hello, hello, I'm Isabella Whelan. I'm from Dublin It was a hard time to get up here So that's my first Like lowly was actually getting up here if you've ever seen someone sleeping outside. That was me I've missed so many talks because of that But my highlight was getting to see all you amazing people and also And learning a lot So what I take away from this is There's a free version of red hat And also, um, I may have accidentally Gone him into trouble for recommending me boards Thanks for that Name where you came from low light highlight take away. My name is Robert right. Um, I'm from Portland, Oregon in the U. S Um, uh, low light was uh team fedorables didn't win Uh, yeah, um, uh highlight I I really was surprised by the amount of community that was really focused on community Um, you know, a lot of what we do is technical You know, a lot of it is you know, open source development means writing code But there's so many people who are really interested in community matters, right? You know, what we do to be able to grow the distribution and you know focus on the people aspect There's so many people here who really really care and you you can see even the focus online and it's it's It's amazing You know a takeaway for me is uh, probably Uh, making sure we continue the momentum, right? How do we take this back? And you know when we're not here bringing this into our spaces and in our community You know through either discussion or matrix or other areas to ensure our community continues to grow So it's not too late if you still want to sneak up here Now is the time Um, hey, my name is adam. I'm originally from chic republic, but I came from the netherlands when I live Um low light. Um, not everyone could make it. Unfortunately. I miss some faces. Um highlights we've had many nice conversations and The difference between online conversations and impressing they're just like on an entire different level and there's more Space to focus on the community and maybe the way we talk normally and improving things in that way It's not just the technology. So that was nice. Um What was the highlight? Um, it was just a great time and I think that's it. Thank you Good to it some sense of fun So the discourse discourse was not the low light for me. I that was that was great I'm a little disappointed. We didn't get to the thing I wanted to do there, but the thing we did was important. Um, no, I think the Low light probably did not being able to be in enough rooms at once Although also not having as many people here. I like to get here That was also that but um, yeah highlight was just all the amazing things people have said is their highlights here It's so nice to hear them and just hear uh, yeah how It it's Amazing how much this can mean to so many people and I love you all Um, and you know that even includes that the panel which I was very stressed out about with the different distributions And it was just so nice to hear like fedora is the best for everybody Thank you all the downstreams. We're trying our best Um, and I guess the takeaway is test the av stream before the keynote so that you do not have to do your keynote twice I guess I should also uh So i'm justin i'm originally from uh, Atlanta in the in the georgia in the us My low light was um In previous flocks there were a lot of uh with the dei team We had made a lot of changes to the format of flock Towards greater accessibility and we had things like colored lanyards or people who didn't want to have a photograph taken or the communication preference stickers You know, there's there's always things that could be better, but I was I was Disappointed there are things that I I remembered from past flocks I I wish I we could have I could have uh covered a little bit more on that front Because I think there were really great things that we did before and I hope that next time we can Continue to bring some of those things back uh my highlight was Was was this uh, you know, I think for me it was a lot of you know, it was such a weird thing This is my sixth flock I started in 2015 and I was just you know attendee speaker sometimes But then after four years and then trying to bring Suddenly I'm in these shoes trying to do all of this and it was like I felt so much pressure because I was like I know what flock is supposed to be like I know what people are going to be expecting or What I felt like the event is all these things the highlights that people were talking about the community feeling the the friends part of our four foundations and I was really anxious because it had been so long and I That's that's what's always kept me in fedora Is that community feeling and I just really wanted to Make sure that we still had that and I feel like we did and This was uh, there was a lot of stress and challenges and it was my I never done You know, I kept trying to remind myself. It's like right. I studied networking and systems administration not event organization and management, but I I was really happy with all of it how it came out the great Amazing team that we have helping drive the organization would not have been possible Jen Natalie Amy Sean Matthew so And so my takeaway will be uh, you know, I think what's great about flock is that it can really help you Focus, you know when you have conversations on what are the important things? You know, it's easy to walk away with a lot of action items But it's also helpful to realize like what are people like what's the pulse on things? what are what do people care about and or what are people caring about right now and It helped me. I think kind of a Think more about how I want to prioritize that flywheel energy with my time that I do in fedora So that was really helpful to help illuminate some things for me Well, I think with that we can go ahead It wouldn't be the closing if we didn't have the thank yous. We have some special Acknowledgements and thanks that we want to do First I just want to give a huge shout out to the fedora design team For all of their work they put together for all of these amazing badges the t-shirts the swag the room signs The calor logo is on all the all the website We got a new logo for flock this year. Emma kidney helped create that one. So specifically I want to call out Uh, well people who some of them have already left but Emma kidney who is here on Wednesday and Thursday Moe Raise your hands when I call your names. We have moe. We have just cheetahs Paul power still here Paul is left We have madeline peck who was not able to travel here and marine ordin as well with the badges all the uh acclaimed badges Which by the way we have a special limited edition badge for you to get in tonight's social So don't forget about the ghost tour badge I think this will be the first time that we also make the flock attendee badge available to some of our our virtual folks as well So there will be there will be badges to be had whether you were here in person or you were tuned in on the live stream Uh, also as a nuisica. Can she raise her hand? Designed our logo on the front of the came with a concept and that designed their concept for the fedora logo On the front of the t-shirts the fedora is for everyone fedora can be everyone Uh, it was her her concept. I also want to thank of course our sponsors We had red hat and rocky linux at the platinum level sentos at gold Alma linux open suce meta and lenovo who were at the silver tier And you know, I I think there was a common theme. There was definitely some anxiety coming into flock But I was telling people yesterday last night and this morning is that I'm really glad that we did this and that we had these connections that happened here And honestly our sponsors made so much so much of what flock is is also the travel sponsorship bringing people from The five continents that we had in the room is I think that's a huge part even with some of the accessibility and Inclusion challenges that were there. I'm still amazed by how diverse our our community is and how the all these different journeys of Where people came from and our sponsors are a big part of that because that's where We really invest most of our spending on the conference is Helping people get here so that they're they can have their voice be in the room So I just want to give a huge thanks to all of our sponsors for Both for the travel support but helping do all the other logistics to help pull this event together So I really want to give it up for us I've got a list A huge shout out for the fedora marketing team and joseph gaoso who could not be here because he is uh currently with a Uh taking care of a newborn child with his wife when we say the marketing team. Thank you joseph It's joseph the marketing team So this is an area where like really could use some he is doing an awesome job But like we could use some more support because the awesome job needs to be backed up with a bunch of other awesome people Who can help um so that he doesn't you know get burned out on this and that we can continue to have like the Amazing like social media presence and all the things he's been doing. So just a little call for help. Sorry. I had to insert that in there And I want to call out too because he did some really thought all the social media posts if you were watching linkedin twitter twitter x mastodon All those content he was thinking that he came up with you know for the sponsor Thank you's you know He actually did digging and was looking at like how are all these how are all these Distros and companies actually engaging in fedora and he came up with all these very thoughtful posts and pointing to work that people are doing upstream and Uh, I that was a huge thing that he did. I wanted to acknowledge that I did thank our events team But I'm going to thank them again because they were so amazing and fantastic especially with all the crazy last-minute logistics of the last three weeks and Everything else has been going on and still trying to balance flock on top of that So I want to give a huge. Thank you to jen natalie amy shon and matthew for Bringing this together I do not get much credit, but also jen and natalie particularly should get some credit for never once saying look you amateurs During all of this putting this together They're very patient. Yeah In addition, I also want to give a thank you to all of our volunteers So we have volunteers throughout the conference who are running our registration desk We're operating our cameras and we're moderating rooms helping run microphones all over this way in that way So a huge. Thank you to all of our volunteers for helping manage our all of our rooms in the registration Another huge thanks, you know one of the things that I learned with flock is you know, even though we we you know If you remember from the long ago times We used to have those community bid processes where there were local folks who you know did the whole bid like Hey, we're going to come to rochester or poland and the community organized that whole process and Uh, which was a lot of things for you know, someone who's volunteering to do So we've kind of moved away from that a little having it be all on the volunteers to figure stuff out, right? But one of the things I think is still so important is having a local community where we go for flock So I want to give a huge shout out to all of our local irish Friends who helped make it super easy to come here and we're running things from waterford printing out the room signs And laminating things at last minute going out and buying door prizes and Helping us find restaurants that could take these crazy group of people who are all here So a huge thanks, especially I want to call out Uh, ifa maloney who unfortunately was not able to stay till the very end um Emma kidney as well who helped with a lot of the design And there's one more person I'm os link uh fion fion fio Fion who is also a huge help with a lot He was from here in cork and has also helped a lot of the on the ground logistics So huge thanks to our irish friends for helping host us this week And also one more time for all of our speakers and presenters raise their hands in the air A huge thank you for all of you for bringing your content to flock Thank you for uh putting together all the last minute slides cramming in uh workshop prep and doing all of Bringing your content here. Thank you for uh continue to engage with the flock With the flock cfp and bringing your and your work here. So a huge thank you to our speakers as well and then finally Uh an acknowledgement I just want to give to and I think it was justin the other justin who uh mentioned You know a lot of faces that weren't here this year You know, this is definitely the smallest flock that we've done in a while I think that was to be expected because that's also kind of what the across the board It looks like with the in-person events, but it's definitely different There were also faces that I Was definitely missing this week people who when I think of flock are also Faces that come to mind for me So I want to acknowledge both that even though this was our first time bringing people together Having those hallway track and getting to engage in that way We're definitely missing some people who could not be here and I just wanted to Acknowledge them and I hope that we can bring them back into the flock in a future year Also, we need to thank justin who really put a lot into this and have made this Be in another amazing flock event. So thank you very much justin So I I think that covers everything, but there's one more thing that uh want to share So if you might remember, uh, we were going to do a Detroit flock in 2020 And uh, something happened that year So we didn't take it that year and then we're like, okay, we're working in the hotel We're like, all right, we're going to come back next year. This is all going to be figured out in 2021 You know, we'll come back to Detroit. So, you know, they held the bid for us And uh, 2021 comes and it's like, ooh Back to the nest Which was great. Thank you, Marie Uh, and we tried again for this year. We looked back at Detroit a third time and uh Then we realized that the us visa thing was really hard that you know people and For fourth time. Oh, I'm just All right, that's COVID time for you. All right, we tried again. I didn't realize there was a third Something about Detroit, huh? Well, we were looking again this year in the challenge here for we were we're going to go with Detroit We're going to be doing this in the us But uh, the challenge at that time was that us visa's were this really long wait people in Mexico and brazil had like a Two-year wait just to get an appointment people in india had three years just to get that first appointment for the visa So we went with ireland Which was I think a great choice because we had all of our great lovely folks who were here to yeah our local friends but With that in mind, it's been seven years since we've been back to north america Some of you might remember the massachusetts cape cod flock of Longo Yes, there's no cheers because of the black mold That said it's been a while since we've been back on that other side of the ocean And while I do want us to continue thinking as a as a community how we can continue to support our friends and latam And apac and places where we don't have that central event Bringing people together. I want to still think around how we can include those folks and make sure that we're not just Limiting ourselves to two places Uh, that said it's it's time to come back to north america So I'm happy to announce next year. We will be back in north america for 2024 Dates and location coming soon, but for now we will be back in north america 2024 with flock And with that I think we're at the end of Where did the three days ago? I thought I just got here. There's a little jet lagged misplaced my passport Got stuck in the emergency room a couple days before flock, but you know it worked out And uh, I think from here, I just want to again Thank you all for being here being a part of the experience All the new faces that could be a part of the event in the community You'll probably tired of me saying thank you all the time. You start playing the music But more logistics before we all break out from here We have some evening socials with a badge a limited edition badge for you to claim We'll be doing the ghost tour tonight. So with a plan. Yeah ghost tour So at 5 30 we will have shuttles coming just like last night shuttles that will be coming from the Front of the hotel that will take us down into cork city. Some of you are doing the group at 6 So I believe we will be meeting the guide there when we get there if you're in that first group Some of you are doing the 8 15 tour So if you're in that late group go and have dinner have a night out on the town And the bus is coming back from the city to this hotel will be at 10 p.m So we could probably end a little bit early get some time to refresh and recharge And I hope to see you all for the evening social tonight in cork Thank you all for an amazing flock and we have a last Yes question was if you're taking uh, uh, you want to come into town but not do the ghost tour You're welcome on the shuttle All right everyone, thank you for an amazing three days And I hope to see you both online in our next release party in november October and hopefully the next flock. Thank you all


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Good morning. I'm Mary Ellen from the channel Mary Ellen after 60 and I'm here today to review some items and also share with you the today's special value from QVC This isn't sponsored. It Cosmetics sends me the items. It's going to be on the today's special value that will air on March 30th And I always give them away. Either I own them or I reorder the item for myself So I'm going to go ahead and get started and show you what they have First of all, I really like the way this came it came in a really substantial bag Instead of a box and I appreciate that I'm not sure if how the orders from QVC will come but I'm going to show you what's in here And then I'm going to demonstrate it because I do have an area of my face. I don't have any of this on so inside the bag are two it It celebration foundation powders two of them my shade is medium and The heavenly luxe flat top brush and I already own both of these So I'm going to demonstrate how it works In fact, I own two of these brushes Very very dense a lot of people use these for liquid foundation I don't when I use a liquid foundation. I don't I use my fingers But for powder foundations, I always use a brush and here's what the it celebration foundation looks like and Here's mine in medium.  I don't have any concealer or primer And I'm going to look and see if I covered it and then I'm going to go right up here And I'm just going to bounce it and for me the bouncing technique works Because I do have some large pores in this area and that's how I get it in If I want to get close to my eye any full brush that's partially dense will work And I'll just go in and get the product and put it right here and I'm always pleased with the results I've been wearing a lot of powder foundation recently and I'll tell you what got me started back doing it a couple of years ago Melissa 55 said when her skin is a little dry She likes to use a powder foundation and buff it in and I thought to myself Well, I only use it when my face doesn't have that you know the dryness that you get sometimes from retin A And I tell you what I started doing it and she was right so in a lot of my videos I wear powder foundation in life. I wear powder foundation This is from light to full coverage. The less dense the brush is The lighter it is. I like the finish and I'm gonna go ahead and put some blush on because I just realized I didn't have any on but I'm just gonna use the Milani I'm gonna use the same brush that I used for my powder and I'm just going to kind of stamp it in and I get good luck with just kind of stamping in my products. I call it. Well, I guess it's I'm just kind of bring it all around. I Don't have any shimmer. I don't have any anything else on I Do not know how much this is going to be and I will put it really high up So you'll be able to see once I find out a lot of times. They'll do early releases And this will go up as soon as the early release goes out So I can't tell you if it's a good deal or not But what I can tell you is the cost this brush retails for 48 dollars The powder retails for 36 So if you add two of these and the brush, it's going to be a hundred and twenty dollars plus That's the value of it. The Celebration Foundation doesn't have any Sunscreen it's just strictly a powder foundation and you can also use it with a fluffier brush If you want to put powder over your foundation. So now I want to talk about the Tati Blendifuls for those of you who don't know Tati is a huge huge channel she has About millions of subscribers and she created something called the Blendiful and I will talk about price first There are two for $18 a small one and a large one and like with shipping and handling It was 20 some dollars to get them here and I ordered them the minute they came out Tried them with foundation this one right here And I truly almost liked it as much as putting it on with my fingers In fact, I thought I'd found a better way to do it. It really did a nice job You're supposed to be able to do your whole face by manipulating this the sponge and the blender Well a good friend of mine Mary from the channel glitzy fritzy had ordered this and Her script became a part of the edge and I thought well mine won't do that because I'm not tough I'm not as hard on things as Mary is in fact I'm very gentle and I take really good care of my products. Well on the fifth washing Mine came apart. It's glued. It's not sewn So I did a blanket stitch all the way around it It's disappointing to me But what it did it made me start thinking about cosmetic puffs This little square one right here. I wish she would sell these alone This one has not come apart. It is so nice to be able just to If you just want to touch up an area of your face This to me was more of a winner than the large one and it has a little Ribbon here, which you can easily change sides if you want needed to do the other side I've washed this. I think I washed that five times before it split This hasn't split at all and I probably washed it ten times So I don't know if it's glued or not, but it hasn't come apart It and also with the toddy blend of all I washed it by hand. I didn't put it in my washing machine I washed it very gently. I pressed it I used hot water and soap the type of soap I used was the black African soap Old cleansers that I did not like facial cleansers or shampoo that I was using at the end of but I was very gentle with it So because I ordered those it made me think about other puffs And I went to Amazon and I ordered three of these and I think they were around six dollars I don't know. I've washed this probably ten times But didn't use it that much. I just wanted to see if it would come apart and It hasn't so just take that for what it's worth But it did make me realize that sometimes these powder puffs, you know from years ago just might be the thing You know, I've had a thing with makeup erasers Well, I have found my absolute favorite and some of you have received them when you've won giveaways These were the small ones that I talked about first and here is the new ones that I got and these are These were like 10 for maybe 12 or 13 dollars If you all have received them in your packages, let me know. I love these. I This is one that's been washed and used a bunch. This is a brand new one and I love them. They're like perfection for me. What I do at night I I warm this up. I put it on my face and I get off my makeup and Then I cleanse my face with just with less purity made simple than I used to use and then I wash this out by hand And I wash it really well. I either use Shampoo that I'm not fond of or the African black soap and he could bar soap and I set it on top of my purity and it's dry the next day and then I always smell it If it smells good, it's usually clean, but I've been real pleased with these I also as always if you're still here, this is going to be a giveaway and what I'm going to do I'm going to give away that one of that celebration foundation compacts with the brush and I'm also going to give away the celebration foundation Compact and you have the option if you want my brush So what all you have to do in the comment section if you want if you only want them the new brush and This powder just in your comment use a word first If you want the celebration foundation and you might want my brush You can let me know when we when the winter comes up Just use a word second in your comment and you have to be 18 years old or older Be subscribed to my channel or be a frequent commenter. That's something new that we have seen as YouTube creators we can see who's subscribed and who's the frequent commenter as always This is an international giveaway. I will not be able to reply to comments on this video But I can on any video that's a week old or older if you have any questions Since I'm not sure when this will be uploaded The winner will be announced not in the next Sunday's video, but in the following Sunday's video So I just wanted to mention that it is all good. Thank you so much for watching Appreciate you more than you will ever know and I will see you in my next video. Take care And I these were the ones that I It did make me I'm gonna go ahead and put some blush on because I don't want to keep talking and here's what the itcc plus And here's what that


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