Okay, we're good to go So welcome to Monday night select board meeting for Monday, June 17th. It's a beautiful day outside and we're stuck in here Doing the people's business. So With that I'll ask for somebody to approve the agenda if there's no add-ons or changes Like there might be something. Yeah, I have one addition to Excuse me consider Grants an aid From the trans the regional planning commission with regard to our municipal road general permit Where we like to slide that in there put it in the select board items somebody and just as a heads up Steve is Supposed to be here at 740. I just got an email from him He's just leaving Burlington and hopes he'll be here in time. So if we if we have to we'll skip to the select board items first Make a motion to approve the agenda with those changes I'll second No further discussion Jean none. All those in favor say aye. Aye. All right Second on the items consent agenda items minutes of the June 3rd meeting And a liquor license an outside consumption permit for the new McGillicuddy's pub Make a motion to approve the consents agenda items second No further questions All those wish to approve say aye. Aye. All right Public anybody from the public here wish to speak at this point Seeing none We'll jump to the interview for the board of Lister's Mary Take that to you Welcome to come up to the chair or stand to the mic whichever you prefer so You want to be an add-on for the Lister's huh? I do Give us a little bit of a background and maybe reasonings why you're excited to do so. I Will do answer that question I Serve the town of water 90s as town health officer and found that to be a really fulfilling and interesting experience and Since then I haven't been involved in the town and providing any type of community service and listening to my brother Bill Woodruff who has been a Lister and previous to that David Keith and then Alec Tuscany and Phil Baker I've learned about what the Lister's do and See what they've been called upon I myself have been before the board of Lister's and understand what an important role that is and how they are part of the face of the town and typically in that type of situation the person coming before them is not a good place and so the Lister's have to be you know sensitive and Impartial and listen to people and I think that I'm very good at that I've officiated high school and college sports for years and have been in very tense situations with people that are upset and Wanting things to go their way and not that being a Lister is exactly the same thing But I think that you have to bring a Perspective and common sense and respect to the people that you serve in addition I think you know looking at how Property values impact every resident in some way shape or form. I do think it's an important component of the town's work and would be pleased to serve Well, there's no doubt that being a Lister is kind of a one of those invisible cogs In the wheel of works that you know makes the municipality Function I'm sure at times being a Lister can be difficult listening to somebody grieve their taxes or I don't know if I was a Lister years ago When I was a young guy there in Duxbury, it was so long ago. I kind of forgot what it was Really all about, you know, freezing homes and evaluating everybody's parcel list to try to not be too impactful on everybody's pocket books, but yet have to generate the revenue source that Keeps us going here. So Well, I think it's so transparent now with the parcel map. That's online You know people have a lot of information at their fingertips and so it's important to really be impartial and fair and try to strike You know that place because of that transparency people can compare Property values and I think that that's I think that's healthy and I think that really probably helps the role of Lister and Assessor Dan sweet and doing their jobs It's great that you'd like to step up. Yeah, it's important that more people Try to help out with the municipality it's I think it's meaningful and and gives you a sense of accomplishment and pride to be a part of the town and help out because As time goes on it seems like less and less volunteerism is available to us So we certainly welcome anybody that wants to step up to the plate. How many listers are there three? currently currently there are two currently Bill Woodruff has resigned because he's moved out of town.  So then we have to hopefully take out a petition So that would be a March what of 2020 So somebody Elected on March 3rd, so she'll have to serve through March 3rd. Yeah, so somebody would Make a motion to bring an area on board from now till March 3rd 2020 We can let her begin her duties. I'll make that motion. So moved Second Thank you for the discussion All right, so you know all those in favor say hi. Hi. Hi. Hi. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you Thank you That assistant health job is still open I Maybe in a few years Thanks for coming in today Welcome, I thought the same thing on a nice night. I thought oh, maybe I'll skip this Good night Oh Okay, I'll do I'll do that and fill out some employment paperwork is a big big paycheck that goes with this job It's again Well, that's getting some new batteries we can kind of Move on to our item next item on the list which is an interview for the animal control officer, which Is shocking that somebody actually is here to apply for that position You the young lady that's doing so great.  I'm Andy Andrea McMahon. I actually live in Duxbury up on Camel Sump moved up there in 1980 I Own and run Rip and Co kennels, which is a boarding and grooming kennel been involved in dogs and animals all my life as a teenager started working for bats went to school to get my animal science degree Continued as a vet tech for many years And then when we moved up here, it just kind of fell into would you take care of my dogs We raised Siberian Huskies for about 40 years showing them all over the country Darn successful enjoyed it immensely and given that I'm you know responsible dog ownership is Deer to my heart I've been the past president past show chair for the Green Mountain dog club. That is one of our Goals of helping people become responsible dog owners And then a couple of years ago Zeb asked if I would help out when he was getting busy or when he was in the woods Times like that and I said, yeah, sure. Why not? Found out there was a little bit I actually did you know one call for waterberry at one point And had to bring a dog up to the moille kennels, but I just figured this is it's sort of a natural You know since Zeb set down Just seemed like yeah, I can probably do this I've definitely you know, I'm all set with Duxbury. I am their animal control officer And I think given what I know from working with Zeb. I can probably handle waterberry also so, you know, and it's not like Carla said it's not horses and Sheep and cattle and all that kind of stuff. So it's you know should be something. I should be able to handle pretty well So Andrea, how long have you been doing Duxbury's? Control for formal well as Zeb's assistant a couple of years, but no I was just like To select board meetings ago last month I became the official So if you've dealt with dogs all your life, perhaps dealing with home with owners that Don't necessarily want to be responsible Pet owners, right? Yeah, it's not any difficulties with that thing. I'm Spent much of my life talking to people about that and and you know I don't feel that you can go into somebody's face and say you're doing this wrong I Don't like the whole we're going to take your dog away The thing that you need to work with people how can we make this situation better? And this is you know, this is something as a person. We you know, we raise Siberian husky We placed of puppies in homes and one of them one of my big things is always following up I always know where all my puppies were and went And in doing so I also did rescue Siberian husky rescue for the National Club So I got a lot of calls people wanted to get rid of their dogs or Complaints from neighbors the dog killed the chickens So it's something I've been doing kind of all my life is mediating Education just goes a whole lot further than threats and that's more my goal is Let's try to get people educated. I want to see everybody up-to-date on vaccinations.  That's not licensed unless Somebody in the town you get a complaint or something like that, but I don't feel that that's Something you can do is just try to scrounge around as your dog license But you know if a complaint comes in then absolutely you have to follow up that the dog is Vaccinated that it is licensed and we you know, I've already had to do that three times in Duxbury So, you know and when I when Zeb called and asked me to do this one of the things I asked him because you know He's a big strong young guy. I'm not and I you know I said I don't want to get in this situation and I have been I've worked with the Vermont State Police In circumstances where dogs had to be removed I don't want to be the one knocking on some big burly guy's door and saying you're not doing this, right? Zeb did tell me that if there's ever a problem the state police are Involved in anything like that. So I'm fine with that and I'm fine with talking To owners and a lot of times they just don't understand they don't understand that their dog is bothering the neighbor that The dog comes over and poops on his lawn or that it's chasing his sheep or just even threatening the family So sometimes it's just a matter of Opening somebody's eyes to look at the other side of the story Not everybody loves your dog. You just you just took the words out of my mouth. I was just going to say that People have a hard time understanding that they may love a dog Or love dogs. Yeah, but other people do not right. I will Admit freely that I grew up with in a household that had dogs, but I left home With the way my life is structured in the family and the business career and everything It just really found that that had no use for dog and as time went on It became More clear to me that not only did I not want a dog, but I didn't want anybody else's dog either Yeah, and I'm not afraid to make that point to people. Yeah They're welcome to have their dog as long as they keep it their dog Yeah, I agree. So to some people that's very difficult to get through to them It is it's a little bit hard for them and you one would think that I would welcome You know, but we are very Like no, I don't want your loose dog at my house and that's you know, I totally get it I don't want your loose dog. If I'm out walking coming up to me I Definitely see both sides of it. I mean, I love dogs, but I love dogs that behave properly I think you're the most qualified candidate I So Andrea you won't mind coming down off the hill Nope, nope believe it or not, you know, and we do have bands we have two bands that are fully There there's permanent crates in the bands. So we you know, we transport dogs. We come down To the water break parking right every day 730 in the morning and four in the afternoon To pick up and deliver so they don't have to go up The camel's hump road, which is not in very good shape. So No, you know, it's it's not we're up and down. We've got all-wheel drives that it's no tires We're in and out every day so bill we haven't heard much in the way of Out of control dog this still Pretty quiet or things. Yeah, I haven't really heard much at all You know, we've kind of transitioned from having a very Kind of I don't want to say aggressive, but a dog officer an animal control officer who is out You know trying to Enforce the ordinance on a day-in and day-out basis to a much more Yeah, it was much more hands-off. It was if there's a call a complaint I'll come and see it We haven't had too many. I We haven't had any complaints of late. I was just at the Walking over to the swing pool area today to check on some things there and I noticed the sign that said You know the ordinance and that no dogs on the playing fields and stuff I do notice That happens a little bit more regularly now than it used to but nobody's complaining about it So yeah, I haven't read what a berry water berries ordinances actually and I should do that Yeah, I would like to website too. I figured it probably was it's probably pretty similar to Ducks Barian I'm assuming there is a leash law. Yeah, there is you know, the Dogs are welcome in parks, but we ask that they're always leashed in a park and that owners try to keep them off of Playing fields. So, you know, nobody wants to slide in on exactly. Yeah, so Yeah Do you know is there are there any, you know, this is one thing I've never noticed. Are there any poop stations? Yeah, with with baggies perfect Figure out where all those are too. Yeah, they're There should be at least one in the parks. There's a couple of long Main Street Rusty Parker Park has them. So yeah, they're not great And who's in charge of the highway department and they do that on a regular. Yeah Have you been to the dog park as well? No, I'm not a fan of dog parks. Do you know where it is? Yes, I do Yeah, you won't find my dogs there though So and you're Fairly frequent or any more of the dog park has that thing kind of quieted down Mean is it still well used or is it kind of There's a couple there from Montpelier. They come here regularly because They think it's a great place They don't have any place In Montpelier and I've seen people previously from Montpelier and Hortown There's plenty of locals there too. It's still it's still used Good job of maintaining it. It's it looks good. It's maintained. It's well kept You know, so we haven't had any complaints about that either. I think when it first got off the ground there there was maybe some issues with Under ruling dog one point or whatever, but probably working with the kings out of that sense and The utility district owns the dog park and they Entered into an MOU with what's the name of the group? watery unleashed and watery unleashed has two people that have been appointed by the utility district to oversee and and to Enforce the rules and intervene in any kind of dispute. So there's somebody down there fairly regularly checking things over and We haven't had any concerns by Okay. Well, there's no objections I Have a motion to approve Andrea Ripley McMahon I'm sorry. I wasn't sure. Yeah Andrea McMahon to the animal control officers position from now till April 30th of 2020 I'll make a motion as Described all second No further discussion I'll say thank you You seem very well. You seem very well qualified and I think you have a nice way about you So I think this will go really smoothly. So thank you. Thank you All right, then all those in favor say aye, please So any appointments till April 30th, because that's what all of our appointed Positions are so gotcha during April after town meeting. We do reappointments. Alright, so it isn't a town meeting It's an it's appointed by the select board right afterwards. Okay, that's why it's April 30. Yeah, gotcha So we wish you luck Andrea. Alrighty. Thank you. Yeah, I'll take a look at the ordinances and then Who do I expect to hear? Will it go through the town usually or You'll get my phone number. Yeah, well, we'll post your phone number if that's okay. Yeah, two four four Eight five five six. Can we push your email as well? Yeah, it's rip and co. Alright P a N co At a well dot com Great Sometimes people will reach out to you directly other times Sure, she'll get in touch with you sounds good Okay, all right good to know Thank you. All right. Thank you. Enjoy the rest of the evening get out of here soon Thanks very much. Thank you. Thank you. Okay No, I have copies but I did email you The financial management questionnaire that's required to be completed by the town's treasure each year by June 30th and basically just ensuring that we have checks and balances and division of duties between the treasurer the bookkeeper the mutual manager So you and me Making sure I'm not embezzling ready checks to myself. All right I have his nose. We know that there's enough of that going on in this country And it's just required to be signed. I've probably approved and signed by the chair. Is there a motion needed? Yeah, I should okay. I have to make a motion to be Approved the financial the signing of the financial management questionnaire Was there any questions about it The further discussion all the proofs say hi. Hi. Thank you Okay authorization authorized contract with 106 associates for survey of proposed Ferrar's additional historic district, right? We're gonna have to Put that on hold for a minute. So Steve. That's Steve because Steve. Yeah. Yeah, sorry about that Okay, you must jump to one of the select board items then sure we can do the vendor ordinance Okay, so that's how you're gonna prove you just I just need a signature for it if it became effective on Saturday, okay, do you want to jump on to the grants and aids? Application or whatever it is sure Go ahead and sign that first This is kind of an annual event that we need to consider The state has determined that what everybody has 25 to 30 miles of our town highways that are hydrologically connected to Surface waters so streams Brooks rivers and the like and As such These are important waterways that this state is attempting to clean up in both the Champlain Basin and the Connecticut River Basin And I imagine even in the Mimper may make a basin for those few towns that drain that way anyway The state has made money available To Municipalities through the regional planning Commission and it's all based on These number of miles of roads. So in our case we're entitled to a grant of 12,700 dollars Worcester, which only has 10 to 15 miles connected roadway. They get fifty seven hundred dollars Very city in town. They have 40 to 45 miles of highway that are connected hydrologically hydrologically they get nineteen thousand six hundred and so on Northfield looks like they're the big winner of twenty one thousand nine hundred dollars 45 to 50 miles With this money, we are expected to do projects that we do anyway every year. We there's a A general permit now that municipalities have to get from the state of Vermont in order to to Operate our highways and this is one of the issues that we have to deal with So we're expected where appropriate to put in stone line ditches or grass blind ditches culvert replacement projects are permissible uses for this money as our outfalls from Stormgrain's catch basis, so we've already got money in our budget to do culverts and ditches and storm drains and the like And we can use this money to supplement or support our own Budget so we don't have to put more money in the budget which I'll let them decide why or why not There's a 20% match which can be done in cash or any kind We will make the match either way. We have we've got much more than this money in our Budget and we will spend more staff time on it. So I would ask that the board approve the Letter of intent to participate in the municipal roads grant me program and authorize me to sign the application on behalf of the town Which has to be submitted by July 3rd What's on me like to make that motion? I'll make that motion to approve the Just what you said that letter of intent for the town roads Reversed in program. There's a second. Oh second time So quick question this spring when we were Making our presentation at the State House for additional funds for our roads There was complaints from some of the other officials from other towns that In fact, I may have said it or you may have said it there that the towns are going to be burdened with this additional cost to try to help fix up Lake Champlain This seems this this Grand process seems to be Maybe a partial fix from the state levels to help out with that but yet I Think if the towns that just received it through State aid to highway Is this their way of maybe Stipulating that that money goes specifically towards that is that what this is? Yeah, and that's why I said before that it's kind of an odd situation where they don't necessarily Require you to do more than you were doing otherwise. So there may be some towns out there that didn't or have not included in their budgets stone lining ditches or grass lining ditches, you know and Because of this and and the general The general permit that the state has to issue now that has to be approved They're required now to do that in the states giving them money for it in our case We've been doing this kind of thing for a long time. They're not telling us you got to spend more money They're just providing this money to us. So It is their way of Kind of targeting this as an issue and there's probably a few municipalities where they're hitting the targeting getting something more done Most cities and towns that I know of her aren't doing this kind of stuff already Oh, it's funny over the weekend my son-in-law who was an engineer from the state was telling me that There was Conversation about this particular issue cleaning up Lake Champlain and the fact that the towns were going to be required to deal with You know ditchways and stormwater and whatnot in the comment was made that the real problem is the Sewage runoff when these facilities are flooded them the amount of Impact from those way outweighs What's coming from the roads apparently and the comment was also made that this is an easy way of shutting people up by by You know the people that are complaining of apparently about cleaning up Lake Champlain This is a more visible I guess Solution then and a cheaper solution than the cost of doing what's necessary for these Well, you know water management facilities. It's it's The issue in those facilities is not really waste water from sewage systems back in the middle part of the 20th century the normal practice in municipalities was to basically combine stormwater Overflows and put it into the wastewater systems and you know that worked perfectly well and when those overflows happen and the That runoff from streets goes into the sewage treatment facility and if it gets treated It's it's better water being discharged into the river Then it would be if it just went down the storm drain and our pipe into the street I mean into the river the problem is with development that has occurred over time you have much more impervious surfaces and now when you have these You know two-inch rain events in an hour and a half on city streets They all flow in they flow to the wastewater treatment plant or pump stations And there's too much volume and they can't process it and it ends up being discharged Along with untreated sewage directly into the river because there's a bypass there So it's hard to blame those cities for this This is not meant to cure that problem the problems that this will address Need to be addressed. It's issues that we're dealing with on ring road You know places where there's been a higher intensity development than the infrastructure there was designed to handle This will help us on Places like the dip where we're trying to deal with with washouts So it's important that this kind of stuff be done my comment was that you know, it's helping us in that where We're getting a little help to pay for things that we were otherwise doing We're not necessarily doing more than we would have otherwise and except for the camera You know, I don't want to go into that too much.  I know the public works director former mayor of Rotland Jeff Wendell has indicated, you know, it's millions and millions of dollars just for the city of Rotland alone and To expect they're gonna be able to do that on their own without assistance. It's just not yeah. Yeah I think that was kind of what Discussion that I was talking about was about that the millions that it would take to actually address the real impact And the unfortunate part of it and I'm not minimizing the work that we're doing We put these stone line ditches in Which means every so many years you actually have to go and take the stone out and then Dig out the sediment that the stones trap and then you got to put the stone back in So it's a little bit more labor-intensive a little bit more work for us But it does what it's intended to do The unfortunate part is it, you know, you drive down to right now and you look at what's coming out of a little River based on that landslide that happened a couple weeks ago up in in cotton book area You know, that's the amount of sediment that's going down the river now Dwarfs anything that you know, right every municipality in Central Vermont could get out of that water by doing these projects. Yeah having having worked in Financing sewer systems, you know throughout the state The problem is if you want to finance sewer systems that will take care of all the load Get very deep pockets They're they're designed to pick up a certain percent of the load and when you do have events you just They there will be Excess load that winds up going into the rivers not you know, not that I think that that's a good thing But I don't think we could afford to you know Get every public sewer system to mitigate, you know those problems. It's just it's just an economic And when the road supersedes our ability to treat and we discharge we get fine So right well, it's funny because this winter when I was coming through Montpellier at one point there I looked at the snow banks along the Edge of the Winooski there from Whatever route it is there and it's the snow banks were black almost like they were coated in black tar I'm thinking of myself that crap is going into the river at some point, you know when it thaws and runs off I just it was a travesty to see that kind of stuff. It's been going on for years, you know So none of our new Reconstruction project here is tied in that none of the storm drains are tied in tar Facility right the tree. No, no, we don't have combined sewers here. Yeah, is there all You know, but we have the Main Street project is Definitely doing an upgrade to the storm water treatment here off of the village streets You know Down by behind Napa, you know near where doc Dumas. I still remember his doc Dumas's house is You know, there is a discharge there that basically goes directly to the river but the storm drainage that we put in that crosses the Stanley Hall parking lot behind Rick Derby's office The storm drainage that goes down Elm Street That is going overland even further than it used to out through the Cohen field through the You know grassy swales, which will catch the sediment Except of course when the you know if the river floods that you know, you're not going to trap any too much sediment that way But there's a lot higher degree of treatment through those Grass whales than we had and then of course once they get down to this end There'll be a sand filter that's built Right in our front lot of this building and that will discharge To Thatcherbrook, which of course runs right into the Windows key and you know We'll have to maintain that sand filter. We'll have to clean it out every so often. I don't know what the Manual is yet on it But so we have done a lot to improve the storm water quality here in the village here Well, that's a good thing Okay, you got a little sidetracked the air motion has been made in second-hand and There's a voice of approval. Everyone could say aye Hi Okay, Steve's here Yeah Okay, very good. So the item as you can see is doing an historic Structure site and structure survey for for arts edition We brought this to you during the budget time and I'm just going to pass around the proposal that our committee selected Just got the one copy Just to give a quick recap This is the area that is to the west and the north of the roundabout basically It's the area of Waller Street Wall Street So on out to the limits of the former village of Waterbury It's about 65 houses and commercial structures and We budgeted $12,000 to do a survey this is a project that our Historical society is very interested in Commissioners are very interested in so we put out a request proposal back in the end of April Once the field period on the budget melt and expired we have a deadline of May 17th We advertised it through the list of consultants that the State Division for Historic Preservation has for architectural historians pre-extensive list and we got three responses and We had a committee It was made up of bar far and skip planters and me and So one that we selected is 106 associates. This is Scott Newman bill went through you know, I discussed it with Bill before bringing a Recommendation to you the proposal is It's very thorough. I think you'll recall Scott's work on The Waterbury Village historic district survey or re-survey. This is a brand new area It's not a current Historic district for water very so it would be an additional district. We have five now, so this would be a sixth District, so this work would take us through the spill to the state it would include Taking this comments from the state Incorporating them into the survey It would It's set up with a schedule to be done all this year under this current year budget With work to be completed in mid December so the cost is Is under budget this proposal is ten thousand eight hundred eighty dollars as I mentioned we budgeted twelve thousand It's a good thorough Proposal and what we would be looking for this evening would be authorization for us to enter into a contract with one of six associates Scott Newman to to do the work And you liked it because it was thorough and under budget Right. We what were you selling points? We right we gave all the consultants the budget It It's probably my philosophy of working with consultants. You're really looking at qualifications. It's not like that in construction or something like that and So they all came in within budget We had to we're very good Brian. I was the other one And then we had somebody actually local here Proposed a survey that this one the committee felt rose well above the others as far as quality and Experience so it was very it is thorough. Yes Okay, thank you. Yep Is anybody else have any questions? So what we do is the similar process to the work on the Waterloo Village District, so It'll come back to you for a presentation for your input We'll be contacting all the landowners by letters The consultants to go out take photographs. They just take them from the street typically So we'll be doing a mailing to everybody to inform them about this We didn't have a case with the other district where somebody objected their property was withheld from the Survey when it was submitted in order to Block the whole project moving forward. We have to have at least half of the residents objecting But we did have a case before one one objection and there might have been two I think you know one was withheld there were two workers. I think they were two. Yeah. Well this When this survey is done will the entire village have been Done well not not the village that's up behind the holiday in order right that's Western, but There's the mill village, right? There's the one that we did last year, which included Railroad Street and Union Street part of Stowe Street and then the initial the main street, right, right? So that this in addition to the other Survey will cover just all of this story part of whatever a village right and If just for some of the newer ones if you on the board one of the reasons why the former trustees of the village wanted the last survey done which this same company Scott Newman did Was that if you have this designation? And if there's a disaster you you have you don't you don't have to meet as stringent Recovery standards as you would if you're not a historic Structure, right? That's correct. Yes, and these properties since they are historic it partly meant to give property owners the the best The broadest choices Going forward if if there was another flood now this area in question did not flood at all during the Irene right flooded around Under the railroad bridge and through the intersection there, but no floodwaters cut down Into the butler students or North Main Street area. So, right? It's a little bit of a high area there because certainly moving down to Steve yeah, would this be looking at Doing any sort of restrictions to properties in that area would just really be an inventory This is strictly an inventory There's been some discussion about extending design review to our our Historic districts, okay, so that's something the planning Commission has Had under discussion where there would be some level of review of someone wanted to demolish an historic structure or Modify it in some way that this proposal This is completely separate from zoning it just Could give a Property owner access to a stock tax credits like for restoration of an income producing building so that's One of the perks of having an historic structure In this process Scott will do the inventory of the lineup with a report and then does the proposal that the board is acting on tonight Go through the process of submitting it to the state and the whole review process that this State Department of Historic preservation will have to do yeah, that's correct and this This step is not Authorizing the submittal of the survey that will come as I recall at a later day Once you see the survey once we get feedback from property owners Then there'll be another decision point that You the select board will have about submitting it to the state and then it would go from there to the National Park Service There's a state register of historic places are yeah Which is sites and structures and then there's the national register. So the first step is the state has to go to the state historic Commission and then from there once they authorize it It can be forwarded to the National Park Service. So so this step is just Authorizing the preparation of the survey, right?  I believe either the state or the national folks actually asked the The survey to be extended we had to add some properties On the school why they weren't included but there's no other properties really here No, this is very fairly defined the tour it was Sorry, I'm Scott Dillon and the story Historian architectural historian with the state so Scott actually gave us a preliminary proposal for budget purposes and we True Devin Coleman is the state architectural historian We toured it because we wanted to make sure that he was in support of us pursuing this survey and it is very Well-defined and I don't he didn't mention anything on that tour possibly extending it, right? So Steve this is looking for state designation versus national 106 designation. Well Yeah, 106 is section 106 of the Historic Conservation Act, right? So this would be It would go to the state and then It could be forwarded to the National Park Service typically it these districts are forwarded especially if For instance with the historic tax credits there are federal credits, right? so property owners for instance having property owners be able to access that then There's a benefit to going to the national level So I don't know that it was clearly suggested here tonight. I mean bill touched a little bit on options for People in the district, but how does this two questions? Yeah, well this added additional Chapter or so in the municipal plan what impact would it have on a municipal plan and as far as zoning regulations Homeowners will there be additional Paper work for them as well Procon How will that impact the zoning world, right? So So this process all the way through to the even the national level In and of itself As no local We don't have anything in place right now that would cause a Property owner to have to jump through some additional steps if a project goes through active 50 and this is In place then it would come into play There there are very few properties in this area that are either on currently under active 50 jurisdiction or could be I think the Only one is the new Townhouses and office out just past that as a rebutler house so the The As far as the missile plan we don't have to revise the missile plan as a result of this We do have a chapter that deals with Includes historic Resources so in that sense it's well the next time around. Yeah, we would add it To the missful plan So so there's a separate Whole separate process for anything dealing with zoning that would come back to you so You know there there is some interest on the part of both the RV members and planning commission members to be honest to look at historic Structures and have some level of review if one is being modified or proposed for demolition or Developed in some way. So I think that I think you know, we should be honest that there's concern in the community The plan commission may Bring a proposal to you in that regard, but this in of itself would not have that Any kind of a fact like that that's a separate decision can be You can take it or leave it, you know, and that's your call ultimately, but there there's definitely interest in And looking at that So would you like a motion to approve the Hiring of 106 associates is that what you looking? Yes and authorizing bill to sign a contract as well Okay, I'd make a motion to move ahead with 106 associates and authorize bills to sign a contract For the inventory Somebody like to second that motion I'll second Any wish for further discussion questions Seeing none all those who would like to approve it say hi. Hi. Hi Great. Thank you. We'll kick you out of it. Steve Luke appreciate it You know about anything else for me right now. Good.  Thank you Have a good night. Okay. Thanks One more little issue people and I think we'll be out of here I Last meeting I think we talked a little bit about whether or not to consider any public meeting to discuss the town road issues or The policy that we talked about perhaps putting in place. I just wanted to touch base on that a little bit more and Ask the board I guess to as a group to either vote on verbally or As to whether or not we would like to have some form of a formal public meeting to have Input from our town members as to how they feel about How the roads are being maintained the salt and sand uses many Issues with storm erosion any of those types of things Mud issues what not paving issues just an all-around conversation about What to do any ideas? Informal policy, you know again, I keep Beating the drum on looking at Maybe restricting or cutting back a little bit on our salt and sand uses How do people feel about it? I don't mark I know wasn't didn't think that a public meeting might be necessary, but Maybe you could speak a little bit as to why are we on I Mean, I don't think there's anybody on the spot here. So I don't think there's any harm in a public meeting I just think maybe there's some Work we could do ahead of time before we put because as soon as you put it in the public forum To be really careful that those meetings take Certain directions and there's no it would need to be very orderly with you know, I think goals that we put together and what we hope to achieve coming out of that meeting and the specific issues that we maybe see Or the direction we're considering going and trying to get some public feedback on that I think that's a much more productive meeting than leaving it a little too open-ended because a certain small select few could just You know basically control the meeting So I think that's the risk you take but I'm not saying that it's bad to consider doing this Are you saying like have an agenda kind of Tabled out as yeah, and I think trying to limit Too much discussion or and just have something that would you know Try to have a whole list of things we're trying to get through in that meeting to make sure that you know For example, we could spend a significant amount of time just talking about the idea of foam and Who knows you know so like we just have to be careful that and you know something or it could be Literally an hour of people complaining that their road is bad or my road's bad. I showed up my road is bad I don't know you gotta be I don't I just gonna we gotta think that through a little bit But I'm not saying that a public meeting isn't good. I just think that we have discussed a lot about How and and what we see is the direction we need to go with roads. I know we talked About bill doing a little bit more inventory work and just organizing that a little bit I think making sure that that work is done and Having as much of a discussion on the select board side of where we think We are before we go into that meeting will help so we don't look like you know, we're on our heels a little bit Yeah, the The inventory and talking about you know resurfacing paving Even trying to upgrade to you know reduce impacts of mud season that's kind of One thing and I agree wholeheartedly with what you're saying that we should kind of maybe map out a strategy this is what we're planning to do and We think it will cost this to go down that route and does the public Support it with the understanding that there's probably going to be some financial impact. I think the other branch of this discussion is Not so much a financial issue even although it does have some financial impact is the discussion about altering winter maintenance, especially when it comes to sand that salt use. I think that's a very different kind of Long game than the other one that's more of a We kind of We don't have a bare-roads policy right now, but we kind of Maintain our roads with the expectation from the traveling public that pretty much anytime they want to drive out of a Drive-way and go anywhere they want they can do it Without having to worry about snow tires and all rest So I just think that if we're going to do it though There are two distinct things winter maintenance salt and sand use you can tie the environmental issues into the salt and sand use There is some financial implication. If you don't put it out there, you don't have to spend as much to buy it And then well, I think I'm personally and more interested in that Animal than I am the actual maintenance partner because I think You kind of got a handle on that to some degree, right? Yeah, I think so. I mean we're moving in the right direction. Yeah, right So Seem like we had talked to bill about coming up with a list of maybe some Having projects that would be that inventory work and we're next we're in the process of doing that Yeah, but that's very different So it seems to me and that would be covered in a regular select board meeting so yeah, I agree with both Mark had to say as well as bill I do think That we're in pretty good shape with a plan for in infrastructure over a Course of time. I think the issue of should we spend less money? salting and You know, look at it. Yeah, but I think we really need Maybe time outside of this meeting, you know have you know, kind of like a subcommittee time to really get our Act together as to where we want because that has to be a very I think a very structured public meeting if we're gonna have it Otherwise, it's just gonna wind up becoming a free for all where everyone's gonna have an opinion. Yeah Yeah, I would need to see it just be a great session So I don't disagree with anything that you guys have said So, how do we go about I mean a committee is certainly a possibility I guess we just gotta think a little bit about maybe what if we get some time at home or whatever think about Maybe how this type of meeting would look what it would look like and whether or not we put a committee together and Come up with a more structured agenda for for public meeting Yeah, but we may want to even in that committee maybe include a few key Local citizens, you know, it doesn't have to be just select board members. I think having Them structure, you know, what's gonna be said in the meeting. I think you help, you know, create a better dialogue Yeah, no, I think if we could just come Prepared each one of us with a you know list of five things, you know, I know it's it's it's hard to generalize that much But you know if you're gonna put out a community input forum You're gonna have to like Mark said you're gonna have to give them an agenda or else it just becomes a Free-for-all and if we clearly can can have some consensus of mind of what the hot-button issues are then We can present the agenda and be prepared to discuss it I think the other thing that I Struggle with sometimes is I hate to think that we need to start from scratch and there seems to be you know We all travel around Vermont and there's certain towns you drive through and and you know Maybe it is literally down to budget But maybe it's not maybe they are figuring out different ways to build their roads And there doesn't seem to be and maybe I'm wrong but like a good resource to to Find out what other towns are doing and and what where they're finding success So I don't know if that's something to just keep in mind as we all travel around Vermont is starts it just take a look at what the condition of their towns roads are and then You know maybe start. I mean, I know Chris. You've done that with Essex But just maybe doing a little more of that too I think could go a long way So we don't feel like we're kind of starting from scratch a little about you know We're part of the regional planning Commission the central Vermont Regional Planning Commission and Steve is on the advisory committee for that Maybe and you know the one of I think nine regional planning Commission. So maybe there's a four of their Each regional planning Commission has a transportation planner that gets money through B trans and They're there to be serviced to the town. So maybe they could help us Yeah, I don't know if it's you know miles of road over grand list to try to start to figure out like gauging how to figure out how to find comparable towns or if it's miles of road over population or What the right way to start to try to determine? How we fit in the in the grand scheme of Vermont and where Where to start to look for some of those answers. I don't know Well to Matt's point. I think maybe it's a task that we all should try to take on here before the next meeting is jot down five five things that You'd like to see addressed I'm sure once everybody brings their list of the table there would be some form of a Consolidation, I'm sure that will overlap a little bit perhaps And then narrow it down a little bit and we can talk about what the list is and How to move forward from there after that? If that's of anybody's interest Sure. Yeah Could this just be done in a regular select board meeting? The public meeting me. Yeah, but focus on payment Well, stop paving It's the winter maintenance issue is Environmental impact one issue, you know, it's all kind of Connected to some degree, I mean But I think my goal I guess is to have a policy some form of a policy in place For the most part to address winter maintenance and Maybe some possible changes. I see the We get the mower going there for for the turbo My nephew just told me today he's gonna actually Think about putting out brochures to try to alert people of It's becoming more obvious. I guess people that The turbo is an issue taking over everything absolutely, you know No matter where you look it's there So, yeah, I think you just want to kind of concentrate on winter operations How it impacts, you know, our waterways even Perhaps stormwater issues, you know Like on the Shaw mansion did for instance We've had a couple of good washouts there all that material ends up in that's at your brook and goes downstream and I just Took it upon myself to get a name from Carla the neighbor halfway up the hill and I call them and asked him if they'd be interested in allowing the town to possibly divert some water across their property to cut off a portion of that flow going down through the debt to Reduce the the washouts because it cost the town a lot of money and the environmental impact is Huge dumping that that much material into the brook every time We get one of those washouts fact a couple of years ago. We had a pretty good storm that took out half that road by the big culvert I forget how many loads we put in there, but it was a lot of material That all ends up downstream So it's those types of issues that I think over and above our infrastructure plan that We need to start to consider People can put their thinking caps on for the next meeting. We'll maybe put something together Okay, is there anything else I would say I have some concerns about I've taken some pictures actually last week as I've been helping with planting flowers for revitalizing water very and I've seen some sidewalk cracks and I even settling that caused me to trip One is on one side of stone Street, and I talked to Steve about it. He told me that When the Main Street project I wasn't I wasn't aware that only one hand one sidewalk was going to one half The street was going to have a sidewalk replaced in the Main Street project down to bid well lane He told me that he thought in front of Stimson graves was not going to be replaced but the Unfortunately, so I mean how do we address that? How do I? Do I send those pictures to bill and ask him if he can put that in his Planning for sidewalk this year because I know we only have $10,000 a year for sidewalks Well, we have $10,000 this year you can you can as a select board member advocate for adding Exposure time. Well, I'm advocating because it looks dangerous to me And then there's also This is not a side well Actually on Elm Street. There's some section. It's bad to one of those businesses. There's quite a bit of sidewalks, but You just don't want to see anybody get hurt so So advocating for that today you go It's funny cuz up in Stowe, I don't know if I mentioned at the last meeting But a lot of Main Street Stowe's been reconstructed and you've probably seen it Right in the village they've put foam underneath it all but just down the road there by the car wash I think it's part of the Kabirke Yeah, they're getting a whole new sidewalk Underneath that they're just doing the same thing that we did here back when the project was done the original Work was done here. So it's it's amazing that It's slowly catching on Good test case Right well the Kabirke project is being paid for by the stage on the Downtown Stowe is being paid for by Stowe, so that's the difference Okay There's nothing else on the list And a motion to adjourn would be appropriate make a motion to go enjoy the weather and adjourn Second You


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