There's a common marketing tactic called the lead magnet. You've either experienced it as a business owner or as a consumer. The idea is you go to somebody's website and they're offering you some helpful information, some special report or an e-book or a video series or something. But all you got to do to download it or access it is to give your email address over. That's called the lead magnet because you are becoming one of their leads, one of their potential customers and it's a magnet because it attracted you to put your email address in. It's been popular for many years but I stopped doing it years ago and I stopped recommending it to my clients years ago and there are a lot of reasons why I'll put most of those reasons in the notes of the video because it's raining right now, I want to keep the video short. But I would say the main reason is that it doesn't create a true audience. It creates a forced audience, people who were really attracted, yes, by your freebie by the thing that they want to download from you but they're not really that interested in getting ongoing emails from you and they may even feel just a little, I mean to start the relationship forcing someone to do something in order to benefit them is not a great start to the relationship and so it already has a feeling of, a little bit of feeling of resentment or a little bit force that's there and I built a large email list with lead magnets and I realized that most of the people didn't want to give my ongoing emails, my open rates for my emails kept going down and down and down so it was demoralizing and that's not helpful for me as a business owner or for you as a business owner either. You would, wouldn't you rather have a, you know, yes, you could have a large email list of people who most of them, vast majority, don't care about you or you can have a smaller email list of more proportion of them who really do care about you and to open your emails and read your emails, that is much more encouraging. It's going to be good for your creativity and just when you outreach and ask them for advice or I mean for opinions about what you should create, you're going to get more feedback as well. So and the last thing I'll say about lead magnets is it's really old school. I mean people expect information to be freely available now just by googling or by, you know, seeing it on YouTube or whatever or Facebook, not by all having to give an email address to read something or to watch something is really outdated. Okay. I don't really even see the requirement to have people join my email list anymore. I just reach people. I reach you where you're at. Maybe you watch this on YouTube.  I don't care if you join my email list as long as, you know, I'm serving you with my videos and you watch them. I'm grateful, you know, I have a lot of Facebook subscribe, Facebook fans who are not on my email list. They just, you know, faithfully watch my videos or read my articles on Facebook. That's great. I even have some people who follow my articles on medium.com and they're not subscribed to my newsletter. And at the same time, I also have some email subscribers who are not using social media on a consistent basis. So, so the idea that I really believe in that it's been successful for me and for the people I've recommended it to reach people where they're at. Don't feel like you have to require everybody to join your email list in order to take them to the next step of the conversation. I hope this is helpful. And as always, I'll have more thoughts in the notes of the video.


Ladies and gentlemen, Nasmama Kando, a leaving legend to many, a father, a mentor in the music industry. One nameless in this world, kama sija koseha, mambo vipi. Nikofresh, nikofresh manzee. Kama kongapi. Ya? Sisi. Niko, we have three girls, una manishanani. One nameless. One living legend. The one and only nameless right here, Tafadali. The one with no name Nimimi for the last 25 years. Ya. Kuna story flani, ya CTA. Mi ufati ya sana CTA. Ya. Ya. Wedding. Ya. Of course it's a journey. Now we are here for an amazing cause. Ya. So festival. Ya. It's been a success. To you, maybe you can summarize to us how was the experience? No, for me it was nothing but magical and amazing. Kwangu, as we're talking with some guys here, Micrabi and all that. The journey has been long in the industry. And to seepali me fika, these guys have literally shown the epitome. The fans, the crew, the media. Kila mutu me kujapa with one heart ya ni. The artists, the dancers. Kila mutu me kujana one heart ya ni kuselebreti Kenyan music to celebrate. A group that has shown ya ni a lot of what hard work talent and being strategic can do. So for me, I'm just proud of my brothers. Ni kama young brothers. Bati na ya ni big brother bako proud of his younger brother and say you guys have done amazing. They've shown us the way. They have definitely made people trust the industry more. Because wali patiyana experience norma. Three hours. Wato na imba word for word from the beginning to the end. Ya ni kila mutu, imekwa safe, imekwa poor. Ya ni the sound was amazing. Me for me it was emotional. Pia juwana sama man. These are brothers. Tango they were 15 years old. So it's a brotherhood. So just musicians they are brotherhood. Kusemokweli kwe industry it's not easy man. The ups and downs. Failures. Wato enginesa na kwingilia. Sometimes you do something, it doesn't work. You spend money, it doesn't work. So na juwakuwa wato it's not just the music. They are brothers who have stuck together. Some get married, others are. So for me I was seeing a brotherhood. Ya ni na ona watumbame pendana. Even if they are saying they are taking a break. They are still kohivi. Na wami tuwana neshaivu ya. So I just want to tell Salmanza congratulations. You guys have shown the way to all of us. Even me as a bigger brother, imekuja, ime lan. And to the younger guys as well who inspire wato. The fans have had a good time. It was worth it. Two days ago kukukwa VIP show sold out. Ya ni ni trendsetters kwaifu. Me I just want to say thank you. It was an honor to be there. Biename kama mese ma bro. I want you to come and come through. Not perform. And just watch. Enjoy kwa fun ma. Me ni dyad fun was also. It was an amazing night. Atamvua ime respecti night. Spikawame notice. Ya ni na kina ma topa. Ili kwe me halsa. Ika ona ya. Okay. Labda see you tonight. We ni kwa pwa. Labda kensho buda. Always ya ribu na kila kitu na ina inga na iubi. So it was nice here. Alright now namely. Ya. I want to take you back. I don't know maybe the first time you met South is all the experience. Umuashkili aji kwa industry.  I think I had been already like maybe like eight nine years. You know. And me because ni kwa mese ajiwa industry. I knew ya ni the challenges. I knew when people were coming. Me ni mutwamba ya ni kia na watu na kuja na welcome. Because I know you're like a brother like me. I want to share with you my experience kwa evo. I tell you something so that you don't repeat a mistake. I keep telling my brothers we want to see do people do better than even us. We want a newer person even who comes later to even better than South is all. So that that means the industry is becoming better. You get seen in pioneers. Pioneers we make mistakes. Even them they are pioneers in their own generation and stuff like that. Ya. So for me I need to make work close now. You know we talk and it's not only we don't only just talk about music. We talk about life. We talk about investments. We talk about reinventions.  Kill all of us we experience. Ya. So for me these are guys who are as I told you to me they are like my younger brothers. But brothers not respect. Of course we come a legend. Peku na ki tumbo mela toko kwa South is all. Ya. I mean for them they are very organized. They are the guys I can say for sure ya ni who showed me how you structure. Because they already formed people so they needed a lot of that structure, management. Even now being able to create a record label. So us in our time it was self-managed. Na jo na fana vitu kivi ako. Ya. But definitely the new generation after that started becoming more structured and all that. And that's why you can see one as a fana ki kubo kamae because they built a team around. So that's one thing that's the same when you learn from them. And we talk all the time so we learn from each other. Me this is what I learnt, this is what they learnt ya. So it's very good for different generations kwa munaungia. Because that's how you transfer knowledge. That's why you transfer experiences ya. Of course this event will be a change gamer in the industry. Yes will be a game changer in the industry. Sorry for that. Now maybe tell us what will this help the music industry? I mean one for sure the fans who came got an experience that was worth what they built. We've shown people that there's a lot of great talent from everything, from sound to the way people were treated, to the artistry. So niki tuwambayi na onesha watu that. You know what, if you invest in this business, it's up to your returns. So for me I feel that I feel that cooperates what I respect industry more.  The artist up to the game. Atamein kwa na kapa na say ma, what? Is him chance up? Ya and there been different people who have come in the times and they make you say I need to up the game. So for me when I was watching them parents who come to ki fan nili kwa na kama kimsa nipia na say ma, what are these guys showing? And what are they saying? And I like the fact that you can learn from young energy. You know it keeps you young. So for me any game changer for sure. If you talk to people like Mike Raban or Kwambia Yo this is what many years our industry has been working towards and this is what Tume Yona. So we're proud of these boys. We're proud of the team behind them. And we're proud of the fans. Fans what may come through. Alright now, watu Tawliza maybe? Nameless one man show. One man show. Nhaipang, nhaipang, nhaipangia, nhaipangia. Feel like pressure? Ya, no, well I'm feeling looking for the right time for that. But in a kama. Staki kwanza kwa nansbito mape maivi. Right now it's a south soul night. But ya there are things I want to do myself in my way. The nameless way. Before I would not normally like that pressure but there are times I'm like I also want to do something my way to just make people understand my brand deeper. But when the time comes of course to announce ya. To announce? Of course ya. Of course now, nameless. Mujomu kakaribu na wasani. Na watwingu ntaka kujua maybe. Nameless south soul kolabo. I'm a nameless BN palelini. Ya that's the same thing, same thing. Time you know at times BN since we work we look at something and say ma bado, bado, bado. You know especially people who like I really care about I want the right. It's to be the right one. And then mini mutomba skwangi na raka. The weird thing about me skwangi na raka na kwangai the right time comes will happen. So for sure it will happen. These are people who we meet every time we talk about music so we are like when the time comes to taifanya. Alright thank you so much nameless for talking to us maybe. Lastly to your fans. To my fans manze I just want to say manze mumeni support many years manze it's more than 20 years of course. And there's a lot coming. Na jwani me this year nikwani michukua break hi asi. Iskua na trakutua angoma for some time but nimi hanzatena so I'll be dropping song soon. Next day is going to be special year for me but your mambo to announce later but for any nameless fan trakamu look out for next year. Alright thank you so much for your few words and wise words. See you next time. God bless. Alright.


Live from Boston, Massachusetts, it's theCUBE. Covering IBM Chief Data Officer Summit, brought to you by IBM. Welcome back to theCUBE's coverage of the IBM Chief Data Officer Strategy Summit here in Boston, Massachusetts. I'm your host, Rebecca Knight, along with my co-host, Dave Vellante. We are joined by Jim Cavanaugh. He is the Senior Vice President of Transformation and Operations at IBM, and Inderpal Bandari. He is the Global Chief Data Officer at IBM. Thanks so much for joining us. Thanks for having us. Happy to be here. So you both spoke in the keynote today, and Jim, you were talking about how we're at a real seminal moment for businesses, with this digital explosion in digital and data. CDOs get this, obviously. But how do you think, do companies in general get it? What's the buy-in in terms of understanding just how big a moment we're in? Well, as I said in the keynote to your point, I truly believe that all businesses in every industry are at a true seminal moment. Why? Because this phenomenon of digital disruption is impacting everything, changing the nature of competition, altering industry structures, and forcing companies to really rethink their design of business at its core. And that's what we've been doing here at IBM. Trying to understand how we transition from an old world of going after pure efficiency, just by getting after economies of scale, process standardization, to really now, how do you drive efficiency to enable you to get competitive advantage? And that has been the essence of what we've been trying to do at IBM, to really reinvent our company from the core. So most people today have multiple jobs. You guys, of course, have multiple jobs. You've got an internal facing and an external facing.  Inderba, when we first met last year, you had a lot of knowledge up here, but you didn't have the cognitive blueprint.  So talk about that a little bit. Yeah, so we are internally transforming IBM to become a cognitive enterprise. And that just makes for a tremendous showcase for our enterprise customers, right? The large enterprises that are like IBM, they look at what we're doing internally and then they're able to understand what it means to create a cognitive enterprise. So we've now created a blueprint, a cognitive enterprise blueprint, which really has four pillars, which we understand by now, given our own experience, that that's going to be relevant as you try to move forward and create a cognitive enterprise. They're around technology, organizational considerations and cultural considerations, data, and also business process. So we're not just documenting that, but we're actually sharing not just those documents, but the architectures, the strategies, pretty much all our failures as we're learning going forward with this, in terms of developing our own recipes as we eat our own cooking, we're sharing that with our clients and customers as a starting point. So you can imagine the acceleration that that's affording them to be able to get to process transformation, which as Jim mentioned, that's eventually where there's value to be created. And you talked about transparency being an important part of that. So Jim, you talked about three fundamental shifts going on that are relevant obviously for IBM and your client's data, cloud, and engagement, but you're really talking about consumerization. And then you shared with us the results of a 4,000 CXO survey where they said technology was the key to sustainable business over the next four or five years. What I wanted to ask you, square the circle for me, data warehouse used to be the king. It was like, I remember those days. It was tough. And technology was very difficult. Now you're saying process is the king, but the technology is largely plentiful and not mysterious as it is anymore. The process is kind of the unknown. What do you take away from that survey? Is it the application of technology, the people in process? How does that fit in to that transformation that you talked about? Well, the survey that you talked about came from our global business services organization that we went out and we interviewed 4,000 CXOs around the world. And we asked one fundamental question, which is what is the number one factor concerning your long-term sustainability of your business? And for the first time ever, technology factors came out as the number one risk identified. And it goes back to what we see as those three fundamental shifts all converging and occurring at the same time, data, cloud, engagement. Each of those impacting how you have to rethink your design of business and drive competitive advantage going forward. So underneath that, the data architecture, we always start, as you stated, prior, this was around data warehouse technology, et cetera. You applied technology to drive efficiency and productivity back into your business. I think it's fundamentally changed now. When we look at IBM internally, I always build the blueprint that Interpol has talked about, which everything starts with the foundation of your data architecture, strategy governance, and then business process optimization, and then determining your systems architecture. So as we're looking inside of IBM and redesigning IBM around enabling end-to-end process optimization, quote to cash, source to pay, hire to exit, many different horizontal process orientation, we are first getting after with Interpol with the Cognitive Enterprise Data Platform, what is that standard data architecture so then we can transform the business process. And just to tie this all together to your question earlier, we have not only the responsibility of transforming IBM to improve our competitiveness and deliver value, we actually are becoming the showcase for our commercialized entities of software solutions, hardware, and services to go sell that value back to clients overall. And part of that is responsibility for data ownership and who owns the data. You talked about the West Coast, the unnamed West Coast companies, which I, of course, tweeted out to talk about Google and Amazon. But I want to press on that a little bit because data scientists, you guys got a lot of them, especially after acquiring the weather company, they will use data to train models. Those models, the IP data seeps into those models. How do you protect your clients from that IP seepage? Maybe you could talk about that. Talk about trust as a service and what it means. You know, and I mentioned that in my talk at the keynote, that this is a critical, critical point with regard to these intelligent systems, AI systems, cognitive systems, in that they end up capturing a lot of the intellectual capital that the company has that goes to the core of the value that the company brings to its clients and customers. So in our mind, we're very clear that the client's data is their data. But not only that, if there's insights drawn from that data, that insight too belongs to them. And so we're very clear about that. It's architected into our setup. You know, our cloud is architected from the ground up to be able to support that. And we've thought that through very deeply. To some extent, you know, one would argue that that's taken us some time to do that. But these are very deep and fundamental issues and we had to get them right. And now, of course, we feel very confident that that's something that we are able to actually protect on the behalf of our clients and to move forward and enable them to truly become cognitive enterprises taking that concern off the table. And that is what it's all about. It's helping other companies move to become cognitive enterprises, as you say. Based on trust. At the end of the day, at the heart of our data responsibility at IBM, it's around a trusted partner, right? To protect their data, to protect their insights. And we firmly believe companies like IBM that capture data, store data, process data, have an obligation to responsibly handle that data. And that's what Jenny Rometti has just published around data responsibility at IBM. Great. Well, thank you so much, Inderpaul, Jim. We really appreciate you coming on theCUBE. Great. Thank you. We will have more from the IBM Chief Data Officer Strategy Summit just after this.


Hello, and welcome to Release Date Rewind. My name is Marc J. Parker, and I am a film lover, filmmaker, film celebrator. And normally this is an audio podcast, wherever you get your podcasts on your favorite apps. But thanks to Portland Media Center, you are about to watch the video component of this show where I celebrate movie anniversaries with my friends. Each month I usually talk about two different movies that I love with different friends, and we talk about the making of the movies, trivia, any fun memories associated with them. So I hope you enjoy, because now it's time to Rewind. I'm so excited to have a friend that hasn't been on the podcast in almost a year. He was last on for Poltergeist last June, oh, and you can hear the honking horns of New Jersey, New York in his background. Everybody, please welcome David Gonzalez back to Release Date Rewind. Hi, Dave. Thank you for having me. I'm very excited to talk about this love movie. I'm so glad you reached out. I think I had shared like an article on my stories on Instagram, and Dave, and I think I even said, like, does anyone want to talk about this with me? Because I earlier today was the first time I rewatched Dave in years, I think decades, maybe at least 20 years. Maybe. That was me until last week, because I'm sure you are aware and you mentioned it in our chat. This is impossible to find. Yeah, right? They totally wanted to hide this because the new one has been so popular, right? Which we can talk about that. Did you see the new Super Mario? Yes, yes. Yeah. What did you think? I am very... Film Twitter is a very interesting world to live in. It feels like Super Mario World, like when you're living in the Mushroom Kingdom. Because every now and then, Film Twitter picks a movie to either bash or love. For some reason, it happened to be Super Mario Brothers, and for me, I personally enjoyed it quite a bit. I think it captures what the game captured. I feel we're going to talk in detail about this 93 version in here, and we can talk about the fact that it actually has kind of a through line of a story.  I'm like, every single game pretty much is Mario or Luigi rescuing the princess, and you... That's it. You take down Kupa. Essentially the same thing. You're not rescuing the princess in this animated version, you're rescuing Luigi. That's the only turnaround. So interesting. And I pretty like the dynamic of Mario and Peach working together. That's cool. But in terms of what it's accomplishing, it accomplishes what the game does. So it's very much... It's funny because I'm not the type... I could be argumentative, but this is not an argumentative movie to really dive into and get angry over. It's just...  I'm glad it's made so much money because I'm very interested to see the world expand on that. Yeah, I mean, I assume we're absolutely getting at least one sequel, probably a few, right? I mean, it made millions its opening weekend. It kind of surprised me because I had heard, you know, I heard the whole Chris Pratt drama that he was playing Mario and everyone's like, why him? Which I agree. I'm like, why him? But what the heck? That made so much money its opening weekend. I forgot it was even out. I haven't seen it, obviously, but I will. I'm super curious to check it out. Over a billion dollars already. Oh, my God, Dave, that is wild, especially, I mean, wow. You know, when you think about it, when was the... I guess Top Gun Maverick made a ton of money last year. So last year, we had, I believe, two billion dollar movies with Avatar and then Top Gun Maverick. And then before that, we had Spider-Man, No Way Home. And then before that, we didn't have anything until pre-COVID where we had, I think 2019 set the record. I think it's six, five or six, because it had Endgame, The Lion King, Joker. Oh, wow, I forgot about the Lion King, the Joker. I think Toy Story 4. Oh, maybe. Yeah, probably. I know it broke a record. I can't remember the other two off the top of my head, but I know that it was a huge deal. So this is huge. I mean, I think it's on its pacing itself to be in the top five highest grossing animated films of all time, which is pretty. That's amazing. Pretty amazing. And as someone that loves the Oscars the way I do and follows the politics of the Oscars, yes, it has a 59% on RT. It doesn't matter. This movie, I think if it's a week here in animation, because right now I feel like it's top heavy with Spider-Man and and there's the makers of Wallace and Gromit are releasing a movie plus Elemental. So I think those three feel like they're even though we're in in May, feels like a sure thing. I could easily see Mario as like a five spot just getting in there with the box office because they love to bring in those popular movies, especially since the low rating. So absolutely. Yeah, especially for animation. I feel like they want some of the bigger ones. But the animation does look beautiful. Like the commercials and trailers I've seen for the film. I mean, it looks so good. So at least visually, I can say, even those that haven't liked it, at least they've praised that it's one of the most beautiful looking animated movies they've ever I've ever seen. It's gorgeous. Wow. Interesting. Well, and then now we're going back 30 years ago to a less gorgeous looking movie. But before we do that, I want everyone to know all the cool stuff you're doing, Dave. So OK, you are the co-founder or I should say the founder, right? The Cinematic Reel, your reviews and review site. How's that going? Tell me everything. It's been so long since I've been on that I've had a complete name change and rebrand the last time I was on. It was real talking. And then I'm in January, I did a little bit of a rebrand, changed the color scheme. Now I'm with the Cinematic Reel. Looks great. I've been going great. Been very, very busy covered Sundance earlier in January. I've been covering all these great are have been dropping.  Ironically, I got an email today that with the Sundance States and kind of encouraging me. They're like, hey, you know, we're pretty much we can.  I'm about to start covering Tribeca in two weeks. OK, yeah. And that's kind of one of my favorite film festivals. But no, yet outside of that, it's it's been really fun. My you can definitely find my work on the CinematicReel.com. And also I'm Ryan Tomatoes. I have all my reviews posted there. That's so amazing. I'm Ryan Tomatoes profile. So love that. We have a film critic in our midst, everyone. And then you have your podcast. You have a real talk still, which you've been doing that now. How many years? So real chronicles as real chronicles as a real chronicles ongoing since 2017, 2017. And then I have chopped off with just started last year because, you know, I adore horror as a whole. But it's specifically 1980s horror. I think 1980s horror is probably, in my personal opinion, the best in terms of entertainment wise, the best decade of horror. Yeah, because of.  I'm seeing was stuck. And a lot of it just turns out to be some really fun, entertaining horror. Very bold, just like making our nightmares come to life. And maybe it didn't work. Maybe it did. Right. And the lots of great practical effects. And yeah, it makes me actually the more I talk about horror and like with you and different people, like the more I talk to fellow horror fans, I realize I need to make my shorts a little bloodier and gorier. I think gore is like really popular again. You know, when you do it, right? When someone does it right, I think it's so effective. We before we move on to Mario, we got to talk about you're a dad because you weren't a dad last year when you were on the show. Just a tiny change. And how perfect because this episode's about to come out next week. So it'll be by the time Mother's Day rolls around, this will, you know, be out or it will be right after. So happy Mother's Day to Jenny, your wife, and happy almost Father's Day to you. Tell me how was dad life? Um, anything they tell you just throw it out the window. Yeah, it's it's been pretty amazing. It's she was born on Christmas Day. Wow, true blessing. It took a lot to get here. And as you can see behind me, because we're on camera right now, she pretty much lives on lives on our wall. I love it. And you post such awesome pictures with you and her. Harley, Harley Quinn. What a name is Harley Quinn. I'm not surprised with you. No, yes, she it's it's a lot of work. And I you mentioned Mother's Day this week. Like Jenny is a superstar, like absolutely. Like I've I've always had much respect for mothers even before because I have my own mother who's a single mom. So like I have respect for all the all the moms out there. But just seeing it like seeing her give birth and just seeing all the work that she's putting in. It's, you know, I do my best. But, you know, nothing compares to the work that she does. So wow, as a dad, it's it's pretty amazing to see her grow. That's amazing. It's she I love feeding her. It's it's it's the things that I didn't think that I would just love are the smallest moments. Like, I just love feeding her like I was talking to you before we jumped on the fact that like I was able to feed her before her last feeding of the day because she was you know, she's going to go to take a bath now. But it's just seeing that and she smiles so much. She has the most precious smile and she has teeth growing in now.  OK, so she's not only five months old. OK, yeah. Wow. She's she's pretty long. She's almost she's over two feet already. OK, good segue to this movie. I feel like it's important for her to see some of these things, especially this. Oh, I love when you do, please, like, tell me what she thinks, because I was actually thinking because I am part of the big brothers, big sisters program and rewatching this. I was like, man, I wonder what my little Aiden would think of this because kids today are like he is so critical. My God, he is so critical. So I feel like he'd be like this actually like came out in theaters. And I mean, as a kid, let's see, 1993, I think I was I was six when this came out. So I don't think I saw it in theaters, but I know we rented it. I watched it repeatedly. I was obsessed with this movie, Dave. But it's just funny, because I think kids now would be like, what the hell? Where are we? I got a feeling we're not in Brooklyn no more. I actually saw this in theaters. Did you see it in theaters? Wow. Who'd you go with? Do you remember? My mom took me because I grew up and I to this day, I have an NES and SNES at home. OK, because I love playing the same way I love old movies. I love playing retro games. So I'm a big when I'm growing up, I love Nintendo and Super Nintendo. I was like, I'm right behind me. I have my Nintendo and Super Nintendo, but I need to set them up. I need to figure out how to like set it up without an old school TV. So you got to do the best way to do it. Oh, yeah, I could definitely let you know that. But like I was big into I had a Sega had a Nintendo and SNES, but I was always drawn to like the Mario game that I just found like they were the most fun like Super Mario World for SNES is probably up there. That in the last of us are probably my two favorite games I've ever played. Oh, yeah, that's cool. So I was like when that when I saw I saw it in a was Nintendo Power that they were. Oh, OK, old magazine. Yeah, they were talking about the movie. I pretty much beg my mother to take me because I was like, that's awesome. Then I saw the movie and even as a even as a little kid, I was like. What is going on here? Wow. So you knew. See, I didn't even as a kid. I was like, oh, I was into it. Dave, I forgot I loved the song that that they finish this movie very abruptly. It's just like she comes in and then we're cutting to black and that song starts almost almost unreal. I think is the song from Rockset. I think. Yes. Oh, my God. I forgot how much I love that song as a kid. I would sing that on the credits and then rewind and watch it all over again. So I was not as savvy as you. I did not realize that this movie was a no, no, no. So here's the thing. I didn't think it was a mess. I wouldn't know. I just thought even like obviously you don't remember a lot of memories as a kid because a long time ago, but there are a few things that even as a kid, I still remember now and I actually wrote them down on my notes. Oh, yeah. So why is there a narration to the dinosaur age in the beginning of the movie? I just even as a kid, I'm like, are we in a right theater? Right. And it's not even there. You would think it would be Mario or Luigi or both of them, but it's like some random random guy. Yeah. And then the other two things, I know a couple of things I notice is like, why is Koopa in a military suit? Right. Why is he a germaphobe? Yeah.  The whole germaphobe. It doesn't. It doesn't lead anywhere. And I think my biggest, I guess, disappointment as a kid was Yoshi because I was I really like the character of Yoshi in the game. And I didn't think this as a kid as a seven year old, but I thought thinking rewatch now, I'm like, it feels like Spielberg had leftover props from Jurassic World. And he's like, there you go. Yes, it's funny. It looks nothing like Yoshi, the Yoshi we know from the games, but it does look cool. And I do love like the little friendship between Daisy and Yoshi. But I thought the same thing because Jurassic Park came out just a few weeks after this. So kind of a crazy time for dinosaur movies. But yeah, poor Yoshi. Like that felt like a whole different movie. A lot of this felt like a whole different movie. You know what I mean? Like the. And then you mentioned the abruptus of the end. I don't know if this is accurate or not, but it reminds me of Back to the Future. Oh, yeah, totally. Well, you know, the music. Oh, Alice of Estuary. Yes, he did Back to the Future movies, right? Yeah. And it's funny because he did Death Becomes, or which definitely I could hear little hints of that. And I also feel like I'm like this sounds either this theme sounds exactly like Honey, I Shrunk the Kids, or I just remember this theme song so well. And I forgot I remembered it. But I feel like they lifted. He was lifting things from like other movies of this time, it feels like or everything just sounded like this. You know, he had he had something that worked. And I think he just it's really good. It's so fun, like that's the kind of music that would be playing in a theme park if this movie was more successful. I agree.  I'm like, this should be a this should be in Universal Studios or something was the when they rescued like all the women and they go down that ice thing. One of my favorite scenes, Dave. Oh, my God. Yeah. Tell me. Oh, you know, I was just like, why is this not in a theme park? I know. We can just wear a mario hat. Let's rock out with this is really, really fun.   Right. It seems like a no brainer, like a cold tube. And they can just blast like cold air at you as you go. I can ask, what did you think? I mean, now on your rewatch and then back then, what did you think of the whole mario Luigi dynamic as, you know, like, yeah, at first, I'm like, when I first saw it, I'm like, they're brothers for once Puerto Rican and the other Italian. What's going on here? But as an adult, I'm like, but wait, is he a stepfather? Like, what's going on here? Right. Because as again, as a kid, I like kind of missed that. And you don't even like my first watch. I know I wasn't caring about race or ethnicity, anything like that. Right. But yeah, so interesting. And you I love that you have also played the games because I loved, you know, Mario Brothers and Mario Kart, all that stuff. But I don't know the game, you know, mythology too well in the game. They are brothers. They're not like weird half brothers, stepbrothers or foster. Right. But the movie Luigi says when Luigi and Daisy are, you know, kind of falling for each other early in the film. Right. We know Daisy has no parents. Her mom left her at the church. Oh, my God, Dave, I wanted that that metal egg with the rock so badly. I would like create that out of like cardboard and carry it around. Oh, so we know her story. And then Luigi says at that Italian place when she's talking about her parents, he says, yeah, I'm like, you, I don't know who my parents are. Mario basically like found me and raised me. So I was like, oh, OK, that is something I definitely forgot. You know, I totally forgot. Right. And my assumption is that is the filmmakers saying, yeah, we know Bob Hoskins and John Leguizamo are two totally different races. Right. So they're going to just add this line in and don't get me wrong. I feel like with a movie as fun and wild as this and with Mario, I don't know. And I want to hear your thoughts, too. Definitely. I don't know if like race is so important because it's it's all this crazy bubblegum fantasy thing. And John Leguizamo is so charming, especially back then, 30 years ago.  Bob Hoskins is is so in character. Like so the two of them feel like really good fits to me. Casting wise, would you agree? One thousand percent agree, right? Even even though they didn't want to be there, I have some. I don't know if you have this. Yeah, I saw that. You have some stuff for later. Um, I feel like despite the fact they didn't want to be there, their chemistry is pretty on brand. I really I really like everything they do together.  He had this and he had Carlitos way that in 93 as well. So pretty much broke him out. I I you nailed it with the idea of like this movie so out there for the era that race wasn't really, especially as a kid. That's not even what we're thinking at the time. How much cocaine was taken on the set of this movie? Oh, my God, I feel like every drug and every drink known to man was had to be on this set because, yeah, real quick, let's go to what you were going to say. I was reading and you might have more info for sure that Bob Hoskins and John Leguizamo would drink not only before working, so I guess they would just wake up and start drinking, but they would drink between takes. Did you see that? I think they were so miserable. Apparently the directors were not great people, kept throwing new scenes in. And that's why the tone is a little all over the place. Right. I know there's like a director's cut that has 20 more minutes that is online. I do want to watch it because I'm so curious. I'm curious to a lot was cut. But yeah, I know it was not easy to make this. I think Dennis Hopper said he was only supposed to be there five weeks, which also is a lot for a movie. Five weeks, especially a lot of days, this type of movie. Right. But he ended up being there for 17 weeks and he just was miserable. Yeah, actually, like the Dennis Hopper and the Bob Hoskins. But Hoskins didn't even know he was making a movie based on a video game until his son asked him what he was working on. And Hoskins mentioned the title of the movie and his son immediately recognized and showed Hoskins the game on his NES. So that's how little connection there was between director. I know they really wanted Bob. Like they kept rewriting it. Lots of rewrites, a lot of different writers. Those three writers that are credited in the film, the finished film, Parker Bennett, Terry Runty and Ed Solomon. There were like three times that many writers and they apparently kept sending Bob each like rewrite, each new draft until finally, I guess he just said, sure. Yeah, fine. Did you see I had a I took down a list of like front runners for the roles before they landed on Sir. Yeah, tell us.  So our monosante who ended up going, he ended up playing Gotti in HBO 96 movie, Kevin Costner. It feels like this feels like some of these names feel like we sent it to his agent and we're going to call that we offered him, right? The part like, come on now. No, I cannot imagine Kevin Costner anywhere near this movie, right? William Defoe, that one feels like he take a look at least take a look. Oh, yeah. He would be a pretty sick Koopa or something. Yeah, I agree. Michael Douglas. No, absolutely not. Jeremy Irons, Tommy Lee Jones. I mean, he was a great two face. I do like him. He was. But he would not know what Arnold Schwarzenegger. I did see Arnold in the mix. Yeah, Christopher Walken. And then the last two are Michael Keaton. OK, I figured like that was probably a no shatter because he had just done Batman. Right. I think that was. And then what I would have loved because I mentioned this man before was Al Pacino. I cannot imagine Al Pacino anywhere near this movie. Just because like it's by 93, it's not Pacino in The Godfather. It's Pacino in heat.  That was good. Oh, my God. Yes, like that Pacino in here. I kind of would have been like curious to see how that works. I mean, it would work. It would totally work. But I just feel like, oh, my God, can you imagine this movie would be probably even more embarrassing if Pacino was in it? I do know what I mean. Yeah. But that was a great Pacino impression. You're right. This was definitely his shouting era. This was his heat. His devil's advocate was a few years after this, like just nonstop screaming. I'm Pacino is my favorite actor of all time. And I love heat. I love everything. Oh, I love heat. Oh, I love it. It's in my top, like 12 favorite movies of all time. If you talk about heat or if I talk about heat, I feel like I will be. Please bring me on for that. I'm obsessed with heat. I think it's a perfect movie. But him and you mentioned devil's advocate, Pacino devil's advocate has become one of the best unintentionally hilarious performances like I've ever seen. Yeah. Him when he's like to Keanu, he's like, I'm a fan. It's it's so hilarious. But yes, you're right. Pacino would have, I don't know what the hell he would have done here. Oh, God, because Dennis Hopper choose the scenery.   But Pacino would really just just explode. And this movie I realized by the end of it, I'm like, wow, this is the movie of like 1000 crashes. There's so many car crashes. There's people crashing into each other. There's people crashing into glass.  But back then 30 years ago, that was that was a nice chunk of money, right? But to our mind now, it's like, oh, that's not all that much. It's substantial. But for all this stuff. But man, they were going for every explosion and crash that they could. So imagine all that and the Pacino shouting over it. Wow, that that would be amazing. And it lost money, but it didn't lose this much. I wasn't doing like box office. Reacher, yeah, it lost money, but it didn't lose as much money as I expected because you mentioned the budget was about 40 to 48 million and it grossed 38.9. So yeah, of course it lost money, but it wasn't as bad as it was that I expected. Yeah, it wasn't a massive flop. But I'm sure they spent a pretty penny on marketing, you know, something like this. You know, it's funny. I didn't realize, Dave, and maybe you saw this too. This was the first movie based on a video game as it was pretty amazing. I mean, that's also why, listen, it's a mess, but I do love it and rewatching it today. I still love it. I love how wacky it is. I love the henchmen Iggy and Spike and how funny to see Iggy on succession. You watched the session. I was about to the fact that shout out to he wanted to be on state Jack. Oh, yeah. So he was on last night. He's like, you better mention Fisher Stevens. This is the end of life. I can't believe that's the same guy. I love Fisher Stevens. And what's the other actor's name who plays Spike? Let me see. I don't even remember. They are so good and I remembered them so well. Like as a kid, I loved those guys. Those are the roles that I would have wanted to have played. Let me see real quick. We have Fisher Stevens and Richard Edson. OK, they were great. I mean, let's talk about the cast. I know everybody we we rewound already. Usually I say, let's rewind to 1993. We are deep in May 28th, 1993, when this movie came out. So here are the stars. Obviously Bob Hoskins, John Leguizamo, Dennis Hopper. We've talked about them. Samantha Mathis, who I had a bit of a little she was she was hot in this moment. She did this. The next year was little women. She was in that movie with Sandra Bullock, I think. I can't remember what it is now. I don't remember, but she was also in Broken Arrow with John. She was in Broken Arrow a couple years later. That was big. Like, yeah. And then she was in American Psycho. She really kind of faded. But she was in American Psycho. She was in American Psycho in a smaller role. She's the one that's like always on pills. She's she's cheating with Christian Bale. Yeah, she's she's definitely a more supporting character. But yeah, after that, she kind of faded. But so those are our leads. But yeah, Fisher Stevens, Richard Edson as Iggy and Spike. Such a fun duo. We have Fiona Shaw, who many people know her now in that show, Killing Eve. But Fiona Shaw as Lena. Wow. What a role. I remember I was very like intrigued by her. She's in the the crazy red hair and like the the skin tight, slinky outfits and she's very snake like, right? She was great in this. And then also we have Francesca P. Roberts, who I have to shout out. She plays Bertha and I remembered Bertha so well. I love Bertha, the red. So I don't know if this is accurate. Do you know who she's supposed to be in the game? No, do you? I don't know how accurate this is. This is just I feel like this was very loosely based on the game. Oh, there. The right, you know, Mark, the Internet never lies. So I'm sure what I'm about to tell you is 100 percent true. Apparently she's supposed to be the fish, the red and white fish. Oh, OK. I don't believe that. But I was like, let me throw it out there because I read it. I love her. I love like that little sequence with her and Mary with her dancing. Oh, my God, it's so funny. I was going to say, Dave, that is one of my favorite scenes. That and the the sliding on the mattress. But yeah, the way they're dancing and he's he's trying to bite the the meteorite and he's trying to, you know, get it so funny. I love it. And then I love how she randomly, instead of being angry at him for stealing it, she's like, OK, I respect your theft game and now I'm going to kiss you and I'm going to help you. I'm like, OK, doesn't really make sense. But thanks, Bertha, right? Yeah, sure. They're brothers, they're plumbers. Oh, no. They're on the trail of a kidnapped princess and a mystical meteorite. It's incredible. That gives anyone who possesses it the power to rule the universe. Get me the rock. He'll get it, Liz and Brett. Oh, my God. Thanks so much for watching. Next week will be part two of this discussion. And in the meantime, please follow release date rewind on Instagram.


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Welcome Michael, good to see you. Maybe you could just walk us through these two resolutions and I think we'll be ready to take a vote and send them up to the secretary's office. Good morning members of the Senate Economic Development Committee for the record. I'm Michael Churnick. I'm one of the staff attorneys at legislative council and I primarily write resolution. I'm going to start with the George Floyd resolution if I may. That's the file I happened to have opened up first. That's all right with the committee. This is what I'm still calling 1037. I know it now has an S res number. This is a Senate only resolution, which means that should the Senate decide to pass it, it does not go to the house. Will not appear in the action resolves, but it's one chamber vote. And Senator Rahm is a sponsor. And by the version I have right now, I know there are others since then, I believe. I just want to say on the record that the full list of co-sponsors is in yesterday's Senate journal. I know that might not help the general public, but it'll show that there's far more co-sponsors. Right. And I, Senator Rahm would have to say who they are because I do not, the version I have in front of me at this moment, I only have your name. With that being said, the resolution is relatively concise and it reads as follows. And before I go explain it, I just muted yourself. We'll start again. With the one preliminary remark I wanted to say is to explain that this is a Senate policy resolution and not a concurrent because it calls for a day of remembrance and action. And that indicates public policy. And once you get into the public policy realm, it needs to be a policy resolution and not a concurrent. With all that being said, here it is. Senate resolution honoring the memory of George Floyd by designating May 25, 2021 as a day of remembrance and action. Whereas on May 25, 2020, four Minneapolis police officers, including Derek Chauvin, responded to a call that George Floyd, a black man, was attempting to pay for a purchase with counterfeit currency. And whereas despite George Floyd's pleas, Officer Chauvin knelt on George Floyd's neck, unabated for more than nine minutes, and he became unresponsive and died. And whereas Officer Chauvin was charged with third degree murder, second degree murder, and second degree manslaughter. And whereas on April 20, 2021, a Minnesota trial court found Officer Chauvin guilty of all three charges. And whereas this verdict offers a historic opportunity for our nation and state to adopt a new course towards the administration of justice that is sensitive to America's racial diversity and the historic and continuing tensions between Americans who are black, indigenous, or persons of color and the law enforcement community. Now therefore it be resolved by the Senate of the State of Vermont that the Senate of the State of Vermont honors the memory of George Floyd by designating May 25, 2021 as a day of remembrance and action and be it further resolved that the Secretary of the Senate be directed to send a copy of this resolution to the Vermont Human Rights Commission, the Executive Director of Racial Equity, the Vermont chapters of the NAACP, and the Vermont Congressional delegation and the resolution. Thank you, Michael. I also just checked page 1147 of yesterday's journal and it has all 30 names. So every senator is on the resolution. We hope our names made it on anyway. It is. I'm not a, I'm not a big fan of resolutions. I obviously signed on to this one and have signed on to others. But thank you for being here, Michael. I've learned a little bit more about the whole resolution process just by your, your, your introduction that was good. So I have a question not to change this or to do anything, but the term and action. It doesn't seem like that's defined anywhere, right? We just left a common parlance for that. That is. It's muted again. No, I shouldn't be now. Okay. No, you are again. Okay, there you go. I should be okay, Senator. My apology. My technical apologies. The term and action was the language that the sponsors. I'm sorry. Can you hear me, Senator? Yeah.  Temporarily muted. I'm not sure where. That you just muted yourself again. I don't know why I am not touching it. In any, in any event, Senators. I think you'll have to defer to Senator Rom. She had asked me to use that term and I used it. And beyond that, you'll have to ask Senator Rom. Okay. Yeah, I don't know that the organizations who are calling it George Floyd day of remembrance and action. Have necessarily defined either of those terms, but there will be a call to silent reflection for nine minutes and 29 seconds. The length of time that Derek Chauvin was kneeling on George Floyd's neck. You know, I don't know if that's what he said, but I don't know where he died. And there is a general call to action as well for that day, that it not just be a day of remembrance and reflection, but that people in their own communities decide what that means and what that looks like. Hold community events. You know, commit to. We have the advantage at this point of sort of, it's so close in time that we pretty much. At least organizationally know what the actions are going to be, but I don't know if that's what he said. I think the question I had is. Is there any, it may be dumb, but it was already thought of like. Sending this to a more personal level to somebody. As opposed to organizations. Like family. Recognize this. Oh, that's a nice idea, actually. I mean, I certainly think no one would be opposed and would appreciate that. I'm looking at Michael a little bit because we're constantly tracking down addresses for things like that. Do you have a, I think I could do some searching right now for a sort of memorial site from his family. Yeah, it would be great just to add his family. I think it would be great for them to know that even in a little old Vermont, we're thinking of them and, and dedicating a day to his memory and action. So I may Michael, Michael, you just muted yourself again. You're strange. It's happening when I'm not touching it. What I can do and I've done in a number of cases, I can add and the family of George Floyd and then during the morning we can, we can do it. You muted yourself again. Somehow you're getting muted. I'm putting the mouse now a very far distance from my hand. No, I'm not using it. I can add senators and the family of George Floyd. And then I can see if there's a memorial organization or I'll track down address during the morning. Okay. But that will require a. You're muted again, Michael. I'm sorry. Perfect. Yeah. My apologies. I do not know why that's happening. Can we go on to the next one? Now he's frozen. It's a connection problem. I have them both open. Okay.  If you can hear us, you're frozen. You might want to exit and enter again. It sounds like a system problem. And I've had that happen to me before where it just simply goes in. And or for it or freezes. And it's a system problem connectivity problem. Is it too late to add Michael Churnick to the broadband bill? Probably wise in his office all the time. Okay. So he did that frozen to gone thing. So. This, the resolution. Is it on our website? It should be now Nathan knows where exactly it is because I couldn't find it this morning, but. It's SR 10. They're both posted. They're both posted on today's date, I think. Thank you. So you'll see it has 20 co-sponsors. I think others wanted to, to be part of it. Senator Brock indicated to me that he tried to tell Bloomer, but things were confusing that day. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't have 24 hours to draft this one as well.  And recognizing May 2021. As Asian American native Hawaiian and Pacific Islander heritage month in Vermont. Much of the language is drawn from. The federal acknowledgement of Asian American heritage month. As well as. Some language from the stop a API hate reporting center, which is reporting 6,603 incidents of hatred directed at Asian Americans from March 19th, 2020 to March 31st, 2021. And those incidents increasing being on the rise over the course of the pandemic. So the resolution starts by honoring the contributions of. Asian American native Hawaiian and Pacific Islander. And the first responders health care providers and medical scientists. It notes the historic election of Kamala Harris as our first vice president of South Asian heritage. It acknowledges that the hatred of Asian Americans. That's on the rise may have contributed to the national. To the recent shootings of six Asian women in the Atlanta state. In the United States. The U.N. anti-discrimination group. Hate incidences reported. It notes that 12 and a half percent were categorized as physical assaults, including against the elderly. And 65% were classified as verbal harassment. It notes that in August of 2020. The U.N. anti-discrimination groups issued a joint document reporting that racially motivated violence against Asian Americans. And the U.N. anti-discrimination group. In the 29th of 2021, the U.S. Senate by unanimous consent passed Senate resolution 200 condemning recent hate crimes commended against Asian American Pacific Islanders and calls on federal and state officials to expeditiously and vigorously investigate reports of hate crimes against Asian Americans and Pacific Islanders and hold perpetrators accountable. The Senate passed a joint resolution on the presidential proclamation about the importance of Asian American contributions and to the strength and cultural diversity of our nation. And now then be it resolved directs this by the Senate that we condemn anti-Asian and anti-Pacific Islander hate in the United States. Recognize me. 2021. As Asian American native Hawaiian and Pacific Islander heritage month in Vermont and direct the secretary of the United States to the more increasingly formal organization in Vermont. It's called a Pita Vermont Asian Pacific Islander Dacey Americans of Vermont. For those of you who don't know, Dacey Americans would be like me. Someone who identifies from the larger South Asian, you know, continent subcontinent with India, Pakistan, Bangladesh, et cetera. And directs a copy be sent to the congressional delegation. Thank you for this. I just had a question out of curiosity. If you have any idea where it says. The number of these incidents having increased significantly during March. 2021. Is there any like. Explanation for that. Did anything happen in March of that year that they. That I jumped. Do you know, I don't know, but I mean, I can, I can just report informally. That I think that's when a lot of incidents were, were sort of broadcast on video. There were video videos capturing. Significant violence against Asian American elders. It may have. It's also when things started to open back up. You know, so I think it's more a function of where we were in the pandemic. And maybe copycats. Seeing it start to happen across the country. Instead of the hope. And horror of the whole thing, the publicity around it. Made it worse. The publicity often generates copycat. The West coast was plagued with this during March. And before, I mean, the stuff that was happening on the streets with older people was just appalling. Okay. Anybody have any questions or concerns or we'll just move on to a quick vote on both of these. I think, let me just see if Becca can join us. Cause I know we could hold it open for her. Well, no, actually probably can't because I don't know. I don't know when we're going to be meeting again. So I'd rather just get it up there. She could certainly vote on the floor on it. Yeah. I mean, certainly writer and ask her if she wants us. If it's important to her to vote. Yeah. So, so I think, I mean, Michael definitely confirmed he could add the piece about George Floyd's family. So we do that. We do that as a committee amendment or. I think this is this, this has been introduced already, right? Yes. And it was assigned to our committee. So we have to do an amendment. So we'll vote on the amendment first. And I, I don't know if it can be a committee member. I think it has to be by. It has to be a committee member. It has to be by. Individuals. Well, let's. Just wait, just waiting on if you hear back from Becca, we'll give her a few. From Becca, but you know, it hasn't been a whole minute yet. Right. Right. And if she, you know, we'll certainly. I don't know how much more work we have to do this morning, but if she gets back to us at any time. I think we'll have to vote. Have we made a decision? So is the decision. I think we have to resolve the 159 stuff that. You know, the non budget, the non. Well, I don't have an, I did just hear back from Stephanie Barrett. That they did add the language. I was about to write to David. All to do a draft of the bill. Without duplicating the language is now in the budget. And then we, when we meet again, we'll have both of those. We'll have the full package and the skinny version. To decide. But I don't think in terms of timing, I don't think it really matters that much if we do this at noon or if we do it this morning. So I'll just keep you posted. And the budget is not closed yet. According to Stephanie. So. No. And Becca has not responded. So. So let's do what's the number on the first one. SR 11. API is 10 and George Floyd is 11. Well, let's do 11 first and. I'll move that we amend. Okay. So the member of the SR 11. With the language adding copies be sent to the family members as we discussed. And. I guess Michael is drafting that as we speak. Let me pull you guys up on the screen. All those in favor. Raise your hand. Okay. And now I'll move that we. All those in favor of discussion. All those in favor say aye. Aye. Okay. For spearheading both of these. If there's a report here. I don't know if there's a report. I guess there is. You'll do it. Right. I assume. I talked to Senator Brock to see if he wanted to report George Floyd. And I will. I'm happy to. Okay. So I think. Senator Rom, you need to send this. When work with Michael to get the amendment draft to send it up to the secretary's office and then Senator Brock will be. Listed as the reporter and Senator Brock. And then I'll send a note to the. I was just say confirmed. Yeah. Yeah. You need to send the resolution and the vote. The vote at the moment is 401. Do we want to hold it for Becca? We'll hold it till we adjourn here. Okay. Okay. And next one is SR 10. I have a motion to approve. SR 10. SR 10 as presented. Any discussion. All those in favor say aye. Raise your hand. Okay. That's 401. Again. Okay. Okay. The only thing I have left. Who wants to report that one? I would like to report this. You got it. So the only thing I have left for this morning is. 150. Well, I think we've gone through everything on 62. So that's cooked at this point. We're going to get that. Okay. And then we will, it's coming back as. A major amendment to our as 62. And I will get up and. Report that there's three sections UI. Remote worker and. CTE. Incentive, right? It doesn't know it has a new name, but I don't know if they renamed the bill or not, but. Regardless. So we will have to. I think it's premature for us to take a vote because we don't have the bill yet. But once we get that bill, we'll have to report a recommendation, which I assume. That is that we concur with the house change. Yeah. This is one of those pre-cooked conference committees, so to speak. So that's where, that's where we are on that. That's where we are. That's where we are on 159. What I will do is we will meet again today at some point, we'll squeeze it in. I know we have a finance committee meeting, I think. Which I thought was that Senator Brock, was that a 10? Isn't that the same? No, I saw it. Yeah, we're on the floor of 10. I was confused by that. Maybe it was 11. Okay. Senator is my profound apology. I lost my internet access. Right. And I just literally got it back about two seconds ago. Okay. We voted out both bills, both resolutions and with the amendment that you were about to draft on notifying the family on. 10 or 11. And I can get that. I can get that. I can get that. I can get that. I can get that. I can get that. I can get that. If I may, that Senator Brock is reporting the Floyd resolution. Correct. Yeah. Correct. So I will get hit. I will get Senator Brock the, the. Amendment very quickly now. The amendment will be on behalf of. The committee members. I don't think we can do a committee. No, you can't do it as a unit, but you can do it as individuals. I don't think we can do it as a unit. I don't think we can do it as a unit. I don't think we can do it as a unit. We're going to wait a few more minutes to give you that answer. Senator. Ron could let you know. We're not turning in anything yet. We're holding the vote open. To see if Senator Ballant wants to vote. Okay. I can start getting it ready in the meantime. And then Santa Ron can email me. Okay. This is for the chair. Are we. Okay. We can do it tomorrow. We can do it tomorrow. Is a lot of complications going on. I don't know that we need to rush it. No, I think tomorrow is better. So I can let people know who want to watch. That's fine. I think it's, particularly if tomorrow is our last day, I think it's, they're great to have on the last. Yeah. But it may not be our last day. But it's not. It's not. It's not. It would help me logistically. It was given the fact that I'm waiting on Senator Balan. And I had the internet connection problems this morning. It would definitely assist me. If you were, if I had a little bit of time. Okay. So we'll do it tomorrow. Okay. So where I was on one. 59 is I was just in the process of emailing David Hall to see. David Hall. I don't know if it's appropriate. But what I wanted to join us for. Maybe Nathan could do that while you're. Yeah. Could you, could you ask. See if David Hall is available. All I really want to do with him is just. See if he knows the language that. Appropriation. From. 159. And, or if he can find it out. And get ready for us. I think it's just really a matter of cutting and pasting. I don't know. I don't know if it's appropriate. To be left in 159. I know we had like. Things. Telling. DOL to use $75,000 of a. Fund. To do some sort of CTE or something. And there were a couple of others. The other languages on the Vermont state colleges. And I don't know if it's appropriate. I don't know if it's appropriate. I don't know if it's appropriate. I don't know if it's appropriate. I don't know if it's appropriate. I don't know if it's appropriate. The budget that were in our bill. So we might want to. We probably want to pass those. The other alternative would be to pass the whole thing. And then get up and do a floor amendment stripping them out. You know, I don't necessarily or the third would be to pass it and just have two bills doing the same thing. I don't like to do that. That doesn't make a lot of sense to me. I don't like to do that. I don't like to do that. I don't like to do that. That's possible. Correct. And let's. Let's just let's. Let Jane take what she'd like from what's appropriate from 159. And let's pass. The rest. On financial pieces of it. The language, you know, whatever language. That's the direction I'm going, but, you know, I don't know how the house feels about it. And so, you know, we'll, we'll. We'll see the bottom line is we want. We want to make sure that we don't have to. We want to make sure that we don't have to. We want to get the word for word with the house on 159. And we want all of that to become law in one fashion or another. I don't think anybody's looking to take credit. For a bill one way or another. So. That's where that's where we are. So. Nathan, did you. You've written David, but no response so far. It's been less than a minute, but according to his calendar, he's bouncing between. Looks like two other committees. Okay. Okay. So, unless people have other things, I don't need to keep you here unnecessarily at this point. I think we will have to make a decision on 159. And Senator Brock, I will continue to talk to you at least about the one issue you seem to be interested in getting the wastewater thing back and see if we can come up with a creative one on one in a noncontroversial fashion. This is some good things in that. Yeah, as I say, one, from my perspective, one is fine. However, the tax surcharge is poison. It's gone. Yeah, I realized that. That's clear. Poison pill for veto purpose, and it's certainly a poison pill for rule, suspensions. So. A home is over a million dollars. Correct. Right. The Ways and Means Committee put that in to pay for the manufactured home credit. And how much did it raise? The tax raised more than the credit needed at least over the first five years. Speak of the devil. David Hall is here. Oh, okay. Never can get a break. Okay, David, welcome. Good morning. Good morning. So this is just a. Preparatory talk for. Our next convening would probably come after the floor, follow the gap. If we, if we're all free. We learned that the appropriations committee and you may know this has taken all the language. All the budgetary language from 159 and put it in the budget bill. So I, did you know that. I never know what they're going to do. No, you didn't know that you didn't know that because that concerns me if you didn't know that because I thought Stephanie was going to be working with you on getting that language. They asked me to send them the edited version of 159 as you all had approved it in both sides by your straw poll. What, what, what they actually do with it. I have no idea. Okay. Well, we don't either. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. Other than, other than we were told that they put it in the budget. And it's in editing or something, but I'm, what I'm concerned about is they got it right. You know, that they got the right piece. I don't care where this becomes law, whether it's 159 or the budget. In fact, the budget's safer at this point, because 159 still has to go to appropriations. And maybe even, I don't know, make, maybe even have to go to finance for all I know. But I want to make sure they got all of it. And then the follow up, there are some pieces of 159. I think that they would have just left. Hanging because they're not, they're not related to the budget, including the one we mentioned yesterday to us about. The Vermont state colleges would you said, you said, you didn't know why it was even left in there. But, but there's, there's stuff like the transfer of money within the department of labor fund comes point. I don't think they would have picked that up. We still, we still want them to, we still want to do that. So what I'm asking you. To do is it to the best of your ability is to find, if you can find out what they took. First of all, and, and then go through 159 and draft. An amendment. Of what is left for us to pass along. I don't think that. Assuming we want everything to pass and they didn't get everything, or they didn't feel a need to do everything from. I assume they did.   Solution or you started each. In the budget bill, I'm saying of the moneys in B 305 in the budget bill. This is how it shall go for those moneys. I assume those, every one of those sections that you started that way, they've taken and put in the budget bill, but there were some sections that didn't start that way. Yeah, that's, that's right. So my, the last that I heard from them. The next thing that I heard that was a CFO was that. They were going to create. A new. H section of the budget and put 159 there. So instead of section one of 159, it would be H1 H2 H3. And so I had 159 completely done. to the House's decision on the seed capital fund. House Commerce took a straw poll 11-0 in favor of draft 4.1. They did opt to decouple the general fund appropriation from for the seed fund from COVID, as you suspected. So after you both approved, I had 4.1 edited, and then gave it to Chrissy and Steph and Steve. And again, the last I heard was that they were going to create a new letter in the budget just for that bill. So I assumed at that time they would just take it in whole cloth. If they have not, then I can certainly remedy that, but I'll have to start by checking in with them and see what they've done. That's, that's, that's, that's, that's perfect. If they did that, that's perfect. I mean, I just think there are certain, there were certain by recall in age 159, there were certain things that really didn't impact the budget. Well, that, well, that may be true. It would be very. Easy to problematic if they didn't pick up. All of the sections that go together that relate to a certain subject. I mean, for instance, you know, there's like five sections on better places, only one of which has money. So I hope they took the rest, but we'll have to find out. Okay. Okay. Let me go do that. All right. Thank you. Perfect. Thank you, David. All right. Anything else committee at this point. Wow. 45 minutes of free time.  I thought I was off the hook, but I'm back on the hook. I mean, it's just the, anyway, thank you. We'll see you guys at 10. So it just, it sounds like we're not holding the vote open any longer for Senator ballot. I still haven't heard back from her. That must mean she's really deep in it. And she's a, she's the co-lead sponsor of the API resolution. She's obviously, you know, first name after mind any way on the George Floyd resolution. So she's, she's on. She's on both resolutions. She's on both resolutions. If she wants a roll call vote, she could ask for it or she wants to make a statement. She can, I think everybody's going to know she supports it. Let's just adjourn. And yes, we're not going to hold the vote open. So the resolution is not going to be dealt with until tomorrow. Right. That's true. You know, I, there's no reason I wouldn't think why you couldn't hold the vote. Yeah, absolutely. Good idea. But if, but we need to tell Bloomer today. Great to be up tomorrow. Right. So just amend it. I mean, we could always be, be back and say, we're holding it open. This is the vote at the moment and we'll let you know the final vote at the end of the day. Okay. I mean, I think we'd have to, we'd have to meet, I think to do that. Right. And there's no point in giving him an interim report. Right. Give him one report when we do it. Okay. We'll meet for five minutes. We'll hold the vote open. So until we next see her, I am convinced. I'll leave it to Senator Rom for all the logistics here. I am convinced that even if we don't meet again, or with her until tomorrow morning, there's a way to get this done within an hour after we meet. So, it's important to leave it open, then we will leave it open until she's with us. So Mr. Chair, what is your plan for when we meet next after the fall of the gavel? I am. To be safe. I would assume that we will meet after the fall of the gavel, but I will make an announcement. And if I know sooner, I'll send you all an email. Great. I'm not going to meet for without any reason to meet. So obviously I just want to have Nathan know where we are in the public. Okay.