is a presentation of TFNN, The Tiger Technician Hour with your host, Basil Chapman. Call now. Call free at 1-877-927-6648. Hi, everyone. Basil Chapman here. There's one exciting music there. Nice bumper music. Thank you. Thank you, Hal, and the team. So, we're looking at, let me just move this over and we can go straight to the market. We're looking at the market at 10.06 a.m. on a Monday morning, the 13th. Here we go, INDU. The Dow is up 188 at 34,806, giving back a chunk of that opening surge to the upside after a whopper of a down move on Friday. Just for clarification, in the Chapman Way methodology, for us, for the subscribers, we have been short the Dow on a shorter term. We still had a long, from way back at the day of the low of last year, we still had a long call position, but we had just recently had a number of long positions. We've taken profits there and we switched to the short position on the 26th, I believe it was, right there, and we've gone from the 35,000, I think we're really shorted by 35,000 to 80, we're at 34,800 right now. This is something very serious in the Chapman Way methodology. I'll do this today because we're starting off the week and we really want to know what the parameters are to look at. There's a pattern I call the dreaded H.  It's a straight line down, arches over at a peak, A or a peak, B, that's the first peak or the second peak, and then it takes out the left side low. What happens after that is really important in the Chapman Way methodology. They need to close above it within two sessions, sometimes I'll say three, but usually it's two sessions, and then we look at what happens after that, but if you've closed below it, it puts a great limit on the moving averages above or a doji candle or a gap or something above, and then you need to come back and retest. So we're in the retest situation right now. Number one, number two is in the arch formation, what happens is it is so severe sometimes that it starts to impact the next time frame. What's the next time frame? The weekly chart. We've got a G slash C, 35,631 was the all-time high peak, E in the daily chart, peak G slash C in the weekly chart, leg D in the monthly chart, and D is the fourth highest peak, the objective in the Chapman Way methodology is to get you to at least a D, then you have to use other parts of the technique, and you can see what's happened here. We went to an instant restart in the weekly chart back in going to the April time frame. We had a peak D for one bar and then you made a new recovery high, and now look at this. This is an alternate count G slash C, but if there's a week closed this week, this will say, uh-uh, your energy, that's fairly serious, and we'll see if we pull back. So we've been short for a little while. Now what we're all looking at is, within the context of the different indices, there are patterns. They're all different patterns. This is the first time I've actually seen it quite so serious. Look, the S&P has also pulled back quite sharply from the 45, 45, 85 high of the 2nd of September at a peak G with two doji candles. Those are absolute clues at all time highs. You watch for the reversal there, and what we're looking at is the MAGD turned down, stochastic turned down, but it'll take a week today or tomorrow for the 9th period to close below the 14th period to give you a confirmation of the cell mode. Look, in the Dow, what we did, we spoke about this, uh, I think it was Thursday, we were already talking about the fact that we are closed below it. You'll see this as well. I show my subscribers every day. Um, look at this. This is the green line is the 9th period moving average. And when it crossed negative right here, it turned pink. And that says, you've got a confirmation of the cell mode and the, uh, daily chart. Not the weekly, weekly chart is not even close to having the 9th period go into the 14th period, still early in the game. So what we're looking at here is go back to the S&P. The S&P nice move up. I mean, really just built from, uh, middle of the night, I'd say it just starts to build and build the build. And by this morning, you had already hit in the, in the, in the, not the futures, I'm going to the cash S&P 449 2.99. And now we're at 4461 30 points lower at the low of the day. I have to tell you what I'd be warning subscribers for a little while that we're looking at that we're probably going to lighten up on our lungs, raise the stops. Um, we still go long positions, but we've had these shorts and this says to me that within the context of where we are at this particular point, pure on a technical basis, the daily charts are suggesting sell modes all the way around the weekly charts. They've just begun a turn down. You can't even talk about them yet as something fulfilling the parameters of the chaplain wave. So you even get a sell signal yet, but the warning is out there. And I'm going to explain some things as we move along. So you've got the S&P up four at right now at 4462.6 if you look at the QQQ, unbelievable new low, uh, uh, since the high that was made on the seventh and three 2.78 two days ago at the open, we went short via the, um, SQQQ Q just a small, very small position, but that's okay. Small position over three times short. That's still something to be worried about if you're wrong, but look the nine period moving average on the QQQ, Indiex 100, uh, trust series. This is the Indiex 100, um, trading vehicle. Look at that. Now, now I need to do this. So this is the start of a week. First full week we've had in a little while. So let's do this. Apple these are the fang stocks. Apple peak F at 157.20. Six. I'm going to double check 157.26 on the 7th of September. I can now make this red. It is in a cell mode in the daily weekly chart, peak E always morning at D's and E's and F's in weekly charts. Gotta be careful. So down arrow apples in a cell mode. This is F in the daily E in the weekly leg F. I'm going to call this for an F in the monthly, even though I could give it an alternate count. I have no need to do anything. First of all, we don't have a position, but we have the QQQ short. So we'll see. Then we want to go to Amazon. Amazon. I was warning the other day that the bounce could be over. Um, but it has got a peak B and trying to fill the gap, that huge gap of the earnings. It wasn't really an earnings misperceive. I think it was the outlook was a little first time. It's been a bit shaky. So we went from right here from the three, just under 3600, kept down to under 3400. And now we're trading at 3457, sort of arching over, but it's still a great company and it's still looking good. But I think it's in for a continuation of this digester phase in the H pattern. And look at the weekly chart, potential head and shoulders, but I don't even get into that until we start to see some, uh, a move below 3033 50, uh, on a closing basis. And this is just a buck to the upside to the all time high of 3773.08 in the monthly chart. Let's go on to, um, what are we talking about?  So we go to Facebook, Facebook, trading a peak D in the Chapman methodology right there, all time high on the 1st of September at 384.33, trading now 380, 375.21 is in the rectangle formation. Uh, I'm always wary of this because at a high, if you start to make the rectangle, rectangle formation, you also have to draw in the potential for the H pattern right there. Pump the music coming up. I'll be back in a moment. And we're looking at the Dow up to 15 S&Ps of $3,098 cents. 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I just didn't have time to scroll down to see. I usually write them down, but I was really busy and I had some technical problems just with, I had to close my program very suddenly and I couldn't save at that point after all the work I'd done and I had to redo those charts. It happened a few times. It was really frustrating. I'm not sure. I can't blame anyone. It just happened. So I was busy that way. So we've got Facebook pulling back sharply. Facebook at 375 closes under 371 in the next two, three days. I would say that it too, right now, it's not even a cell signal. It says it's hinting strongly, but it hasn't even got there. That'll go to a cell signal, maybe an immediate upgrade to cell mode. Look at this. The S&P's just about to turn red after being spectacularly higher earlier on. It's one of the reasons why over the weekend, when I did my overview for my subscribers, my video on Saturday, I said, let's be really, really careful. And we're going to say, oh, they even had one of my futures of counsel. They had a trading thing that didn't affect me at the time when I was using it. They had a problem there. People are saying they also had some technical difficulties. Larry, as a mentor, also said he had some technical difficulties. So within that context, we're looking at Netflix. Netflix is any of these stocks that, oh, I did this enough to redo it.  D, it's gone to a peak. E in the daily chart. I even did this to see if there were round numbers and now I can't do anything yet. I'll just put red for the moment. So Netflix is down 13. If I recollect, there was a round number. Nope. So the high was all time I was 600. Oh, there it is. No, 650 and 60. 650 and 60. But this is really important. I've got a peak C in the weekly chart and it's an all time high. So it could be an E slash C because it never took out the low in the weekly chart when it restarted. So E slash C and a leg D, finally a leg D in Netflix, NFLX trading at 585 down 13, monthly leg D. Oh, we've got everything sitting in place for at least some kind of a digestive phase. We'll see if that can occur over the next two weeks. So Netflix and what am I looking at? Netflix fang. Oh, Google. Google is trading at 2008, 5, 3. It made a peak F. I'm calling this an affigate root of that F slash B because it is. All the technical indicators get out of that. Suggest that this is in fact a short-term top in the daily chart. I'm going to put it down arrow N and in your high in any of these just negates everything we're talking about. I just don't see that right at the moment. I see attempts and the fact even the fact that we had a very strong open and even the fact that the dow is up 243 that while the SMB has come back a little bit to a plus six says that there's residual strength. Don't take this for granted that everything's in place between those three things said 45 so that everything's in place for a major downtown to not yet because what you really need to do is so what you really need to do is understand that you go one step at a time. There's a residual strength and I showed this to my subscribers in my opening call this morning. I said I mentioned it on the weekend, but I was still working on the night and information I had to redo the dark news cloud cover that I talk about using the Dow. This is a daily chart. Look how many times when I do that rectangle you had this consolidation. Well look this pattern right now looks exactly like others. You made the rectangle within that you've got the arch formation the dreaded age pattern and then you broke the left side low and what happened next is really important. That's why there's a green candle here. If there are another two green candles in the Dow in the next two days I'm telling you that we've got a rotational aspect to this that says watch out because there's a high level consolidation in some of the indices while other indices are taking a well-earned rest like the QQQ NDX100 and that's the whole thing that I've been saying you can't expect a crash when you've got rotational aspect when you get a Joe Granville 95 to 98 percent of all stocks are going down that's a crash but when you get this rotation that says wow we're looking at the Dow up 233 what's to worry about yeah you got to look at things individually and that's really important so okay within that context we've got our fang stocks we're looking at GOOG up 12 but it's really it's in a sell signal to sell mode it's only Facebook that's just turned down and Netflix is giving the clue oops no what did I say I said Facebook was in fact did I type in the wrong place I did oh no I didn't want to type it there but that's okay Facebook yeah Facebook is in the rectangle formation and Netflix is just turning down as we speak and I'm pretty sure it's going to turn into a peak E so that's that's the fang stocks but wait a minute question came in about XOP well XOP is the S&P uh oil this is called the S&P spider oil and uh gas exploration ETF monthly chart at the peak C gosh I had these all of these charts notated every single chart I talk about just about has been notated from the beginning of time I have to redo them because every time my system suddenly gets closed down what happens is like a little library in there and you find out that yes it's safe but it's gone to a different folder when I come back again I've lost a whole chunk of information on the one that comes that shows up so somewhere I've got the XOP all notated but it ain't here so I just redid this peak E in the weekly chart so the question is having started a new position a couple of months ago is this still something to be considered as in an up move and what I would say is I believe that this rotational aspect is really important for the general market right now because the oil and gas because oil not just oil right now oil is trading this is the crude oil that I have gone to a leg D in the daily charts you're going to be a little careful at peak at leg D because that's where can turn down but it hasn't spoken above resistance levels the weekly charts made a nice move I would say that unless this crude oil continuous contract trading at 70.57 up 84 cents unless on a weekly basis it closes below 6680 out it's called at 6650 below 6650 that's a closing basis we're on a sideways range and I would just say I would not XOP let's go back again look at the daily chart more typed it in there and type it in here all right XOP here we go in leg D I would not I would say congratulations on your entry let me see what the question is uh yeah the question question means was the statement uh definitely morning Basel I've been lugging XOP 83 uh we buy since July 21st it should be 87 last you see it should be a running standing to reach us July 1st 100 top okay I'll answer that question soon to reach I'll try to answer the question but I do see it as a positive right are you having fun trading the markets but having trouble finding like-minded individuals to discuss your trading and investment ideas with become an apex predator in the trading markets and join the tiger's den trading room only at tfnn.com the tiger's den is an exclusive trading room where successful traders from around the world come to exchange trades and ideas join the den and surround yourself with the sharpest minds in the trading world subscribers to the tiger's den are also the first to have their questions answered live on air and can privately chat with our tfnn hosts live during their shows interact with other tigers and tiger's as they share trading ideas news analysis and discuss the market action all trading day subscribe to the tiger's 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economic structure right at the moment and even though i've got signals to say watch out we're in for a very choppy september at least in the beginning for this first part of september um and of course we don't even know because we've got that rule that says what's selling russia shawna which was last week and buy on yom kippa which is this thursday so that would be on thursday or friday that's that's just an old saying i'm just going to suggest within the within the context of what we're looking at i like the action and if i close look at 86.90 let's just give it um 84 84.35 give me a gala if it suddenly dips to 80 84 how it dips and what happens in that weekly chart is going to be important this week your tactics are not good at all but it's nicely and i haven't seen a turn up of the nine over the 14 and the weekly chart it's still negative but the the daily chart is saying i'm holding really well what are you talking about well we're talking about the fact at d especially with the island reversal that's a powerful move and when way above just shocked right through the 200 period moving average resistance the pink line the daily it's above the 50 i'm just saying all of these nine and 14 and 50 moving averages give you the whole of the 83s as support i don't want to get to the 83s i want just 84 34 give me a yell and we're looking at it together so far i just say to you hold tight if you are getting to the point where you say uh oh this is where i i don't quite understand the i know you like to do fundamental as well as technical then why not just write as we speak in the 86.92 take a little bit off set it aside put in 80 do you want it to break the 84 20 level and get to 83 i just set it aside as if it's money that you will put back under certain circumstances and it's really just a reward to say i've done it right i'm just taking a little bit off that i can put back and that's all that's the only statement i would make right now i don't want to i don't want to um anticipate over anticipate something that hasn't even happened it's still in leg d mac these good stochastic said 84 the on balance volume is the only reason why i'm saying to you yes if you're a little bit nervous take something off right now and that's it all right next question i had is baidu i'll do that before we go to some of the other areas baidu is trying to um after their pd is holding quite nicely but i'm putting it together with the fxi although it's not in the fxi but don't believe it is is that made a pd and that's holding so that whole area the china area is holding after just being decimated if the fxi starts to at 41 36 this is the china i shares large cap etf it it's changed its name over the years we've called it all sorts of things but in the meantime at the fxi if it at 41 35 after the pd in the 42 50s if it trades if it no if it closes on a daily basis twice under 40.55 oh let's make it 40.50 at any time in the next week that's going to say uh oh be careful that counter train rally could be done next question i had let me just check on here if i could see it at all uh whoops that was a mistake i made that a little out of my mistake okay i could get that out there i want to hear that because i think i was talking over the bumper music okay i'm going right here wow i'm listening to myself in youtube i'm sorry about that i'm trying to move over to this chart right here there it is okay now i'm going to run i just want to see if i've missed anything yeah a couple of questions came in came in and from the weekend there's one i'll get to soon okay good i need you to know that and um so within that context the question came in over the weekend what about gold you've been you've been talking about gold is being okay but nothing more than okay not very weak not very strong just stuck in a range well you can see it's up six and a half today at 1798 it's holding well if this will turn into a one-to-one to the downside if certain conditions are met and i'll explain exactly what i'm looking to add right now i'm not saying it's going to happen i'm preparing that there's been this rotation through the different sectors at this point after the last week i would have thought on other conditions other usual historical conditions that i'd be looking at gold at 18.23 to 18 or maybe even a new recovery high above the high of the third of september of 18.30 let's call it 18.37 on the continuous contract it's not happening so if there is a close on a daily basis below 17.77 i'm going to be watching this let me give you a silver quick because i want to go to the dollar pd oh i drew this and i have to draw it in again oh what what a nuisance i've learned now i'm going to do this actually talking i'm just going to get into that i should have been doing this for years and years and years just hit the save button every few minutes because i do so much work to have to go redo that because it's suddenly closed look at this it's got a chaplain wave uh falling explanation to the downside and silver at 23.80 it needs very quickly at minus nine it is very quickly i mean by wednesday to be above 24.15 that shouldn't be a big deal but so far it is because if it goes under 23.30 that's a problem now i'm going to go to the dollar maybe it's pulled back by now yep it has so the injured day high was 92.89 it's trading a 9265 up two cents this is a pattern we've seen quite often lately we had peak b suddenly arches over i'm going to be prepared that maybe the maybe gold actually does around it should normally but it isn't right now and the dollar starts to pull back so if the dollar can get to 93.10 in the next two days that's fabulous action if it breaks down and it closes under 92.33 i'd say that's a bit of a problem and that weekly chart did the peak d perfectly with the chaplain wave stalk leg formation there's the leg there's the body there's the neck he has the beak and usually after the beak is completed we don't always know when it's completed there's a nice bounce nice rally then you're on your own and the technique it throws it out it's done you have to look at other techniques so we're going to be watching that and that's the that's the dollar let's go to tlt i want to do that i think we're almost done with those engine yep there's the tlt in the chaplain wave inside track repellent zone after the peak d hi that was made back that was around in the 23rd or something the 20th of july at 15271 peak d idon reversal comes back down then fills it partially and then pulls back and now it's in an arch formation but holding nicely and the arch can go oh that was the question over the weekend when does the arch go to an m fat for right now we're looking at the chance because it held so nicely that the tlt is going to form an arch formation and make a rectangle so that yields are just stuck in the range they're not breaking down they're not breaking up i'll be back in a moment we've got a lot of questions i'll be back in 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we're looking at AR question came in about ARKK which is ARK innovation ETF and that's trading down 239 and 180.07 hit the 200 period moving average tried to rally went all the way to 120 and then the low was in fact oh i just changed everything let me go back and i can see the low yeah the low was 116 14 and it went all the way to 120.81 and now it's down to 118.03 i suspect and i i'm not sure how i'm going to do it whether i do a revenue for subscribers where it is one of the the usual ones that i did whether i do something that i record and i i do it after questions come in and you can just listen to it anytime i just haven't decided just the medium that i want to use i have been asked if i would do one for subscribers which is what i normally would do but most importantly what i'm looking at is in this phase of this digestive phase in some of the really the great areas that we we we want to be in we've got a couple of stocks that i said warned on friday you've got to be careful because they're making tops that should i even spoke to tommy when i spoke on when we had an interview on thursday so we've had stocks that have done fantastically like tmo a thermo-official scientific but it made a peak d it made a little doji candle um on friday at 573 63 it made an exact double top for two days in a row but we're long from 44 we're taking two little bits off um and it went from 44 we entered it hit 575.63 on thursday and friday what was the high 575.63 with a doji candle so i won't be careful and today's high is 575.30 33 cents off or 34 cents off making an all-time and it's trading now down 18 points down three percent at 553 and that's what i'm saying in the rotational aspect be careful you could have something that's done absolutely fantastically but this is that period where people are going to say fund managers are going to say hey this is spectacular if it saw us to break a certain point i'm going to lighten up i don't think they're going to get out certainly in leg c i've got this as leg c in the month in the weekly chart but i i suspect they want to buy it a little later so you'll have plenty of opportunities we have another one agilent technologies fantastic company agilent technologies and scientific solutions for labs and businesses spoke about it said four days in a row it's actually five days with 179.50 now we're in at 70 179.59 top um no i made a mistake yep 179.57 57 high on the 3rd of september the next day it's 179.37 the next day it's 179.18 the next day the highest 179.36 friday it's 179.31 this is i i when i gave one of my master classes one of those one of those all day sessions um about a month or so ago i said be careful watch this technique it's been working fantastically for quite a while in today on a one minute basis a five minute basis 10 minute basis 120 minute basis and even in some stocks making double tops or triple tops but making patterns that just refuse to break the height it refuses to break the high unlike a cintas we do not have it i use it always as a as a as a medium of looking at overalls uniforms rentals and the question guy that was a question the question was um cintas is making all-time highs what does it say about the economy and what i did is a study and i lost that i have to redo it again gosh that was upsetting i did a couple of chart patterns that i was showing the dow home depot and cintas together to show that cintas very often over years decades i'm talking about makes its low kind of close to the market low in anticipation of a turnaround of the economy but at highs you've got people that have to commit to buying and as it's getting look at this peak c1 c2 c3 c4 and then it goes to a leg d and this took over a month to break out and now it's turning at 408.10 so cintas the reason the question was how come isn't that a good sign for the economy what it says is that within the context of your sectors look at this as where companies don't really want to put money to work if they don't have to they're almost forced always to going into anything like looking for job searches or overalls uniforms rentals anything that has to do with where you've got a commitment a financial commitment for x number of months years or whatever it is they don't like to do it until they forced to so the tops are very often made after the market pulls back but i'm talking about major tops so in this particular instance what it's really saying is ah well fund managers have been forced sorry fund managers companies have been forced to buy overalls uniforms rentals and do everything that pertains to the the infrastructure of the economy as it relates to hotels and whatever it is and therefore you can see it go higher even if the market is starting to at least digest big gates so that i think you explained that was one of the questions and next question is i could i look at an i y r i y r is the um uh this is the i shares the Dow Jones U.S. REITs index trust leg c in the monthly chart and it's a leg d in the peak d in the in the weekly chart says be a little careful here and it's up 1.27 at 108.30 but this peak d right here the daily chart whoops uppercase d and on the way up where we use uppercase is in a cell mode in the daily and it hit 111 whoops 111.44 111.44 let me type that in here 111.44 uh week and a half ago and that's the high and i'm making it in red so it's digesting gains to just be a little careful here but it's still the weekly chart is saying hey this is still pretty good yes we had uh two like a railroad track one big green candle one big red candle i'm just saying be a little careful here because this is an area that could digest gains uh let me just see uh let me question came in here um yeah so the uranium stocks you i can't believe i have to redo this you are a global actually uranium remember i actually talked about it i did the whole thing i did a whole bunch of uranium stocks and that just wasn't saved for some reason i'm gonna do that right now save all workspaces just keep doing that don't forget to do it um yeah so this is a huge move up doji candle legs see in the daily could pull back a little bit and then have a slightly high high i i thought i'd drawn in and i said i think we're getting to a point in the uranium stocks that it could get to a what happened to the rectangle that i just put in there this is so frustrating and this is the old version of trade station i haven't wanted to update because i'm just so used to after hundreds and hundreds of thousands of stocks to go to the new version well i want you to join a rectangle i want i'll make it i'm like in a semi-circle all right we go one more segment segment to go i'll try to find it in the break to to a rectangle i don't like to do circles or ovals unless it pertains to that so trading at 27.6 an hour per dollar 25 you are a global ex uranium ETF spectacular move this is on i'm you know i'm fine i said i'm fine they said oops wrong wrong um i should not 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Great and we are live Imran, thank you so much for joining me. We're doing a series of podcasts for the dive-in festival and Imran Koreshi is kindly Agreed to speak to me, which is really cool Imran Congratulations on your your new role to your officially head of North America for Willis Towers watch and congratulations Thank you Lewis and thanks for inviting me on this podcast and I'm thrilled to be here Pleasure pleasure. So we spoke all fair about this a Week or so ago and it's just interesting to hear how An English guy grew up around Harrow ended up being in Chicago leading Willis North American division would love to hear how how that unfolded. Yeah Well, you know at a moment like this in any kind of pivotal moments in one's careers it always gives you an opportunity to look back and And reflect a little bit around your experiences and and also give thanks to those that have helped you along the way So I was born and raised in the UK. My parents were immigrants to the UK father was Born in Pakistan migrated to actually born in India migrated to Pakistan during the partition Made his way to Britain in the 60s met my mother who was also an immigrant from Trinidad in the West Indies And she made her way to the UK in the 60s. So That's why I've got this accent my my parents who Were seeking to make a go of it in the UK in London so I was born and raised in the UK Went to university there And ended up embarking upon an actuarial career But then in 1997 I had an opportunity To come out to the United States. I'd never been to the United States Our business in the US at the time. It was with another company had recently Won a number of clients but lost a number of people. So there's a bit of a gap around workload And we were at willis at the time. I was not I was at another company. Okay. So was that a pride company that? Brought me across in 1997 for supposedly one month So I arrived in Chicago on Memorial Day, which is in May In 1997 and never been to the US So, you know, I was struck at the time by just the enormity of everything the the buildings the portion sizes The the streets the cars everything just seemed to be significantly larger than what I'd experienced before and And then I was supposed to be there for one month But I ended up staying three months, which was the most I could stay without a visa came back to the UK To get a visa to arrive then back into the United States on Christmas Eve 1997 and so I I didn't know I was going to spend Probably the rest of my life in the US Or certainly have kids born in the US. I didn't know that at the time obviously and It's been It's been a really interesting journey Yeah, how did you find a growing up in Britain? So specifically kind of like racial equality and and your experiences Versus then moving to the US at that time. Yeah, it's it's really interesting If you've ever watched the movie blinded by the light it's about a a kid in Britain growing up to immigrant parents who is of South Asian descent And and the juxtaposition of of his interests in his life Which was related to more of a Western culture and his parents having more of that South Asian culture and that pivot point But also equally at the time where Britain was was actually more racially divided You see that time and time again when you have waves of immigrants that come into a country a tension between the inherent People that live there and the immigrants that are coming in and and Britain was exactly that and I remember my mother at the time And she instilled this in me constantly Which was you had to work twice as hard who was somebody use white to succeed And and that was instilled in me So it caused me to develop a strong work ethic But there were barriers to progression I I could see that not just from a racial dimension, but gender class age Many different dimensions and and so I I definitely noticed that in the UK When I came to the US in 97 I was actually struck by more of a at least a feeling of a meritocratic Um Culture a one in which there was seemed to be more of a correlation between hard work and results and career progression now I think it's changed a lot in the UK now and certainly when I go back it's definitely more of a A flatter society more of a meritocracy than when I left it But I certainly felt that when I came to the US there were just more opportunities to progress one's career Yeah, interesting. I was in 97 the year you were you were moving to the US I was in it was just started my A levels in Watford grammar and it was a very mixed school. So, you know, West Watford was a big Asian population Um, I'm Jewish a few Jews and it was interesting because there was There were like groups and people are quite tribal, you know, you kind of like stick to your Your group, um, everyone was very friendly There was of course, you know, I guess, I mean back then you'd call it banter Now you might call it something different But it was a really interesting moment in time Um, quite pivotal, you know, like a lot of you go through a lot of different experiences at that age But I think the one the one thing that the teachers always said was, you know, you've got to build your network You know, it's who you know And I think you're right and I think in kind of my dad's friend worked in insurance at the time and and he was He was talking to me about, you know, like you've got to know someone and you know My son's going to get in because and it was just all about all about the network And if you knew someone you got in Yeah And there were but you know, there were barriers Yeah, I I think they're I think networking is is critical and relationships are quite critical Um, but there there are barriers that are oftentimes unseen and and it's it's um As as a society and now as The way the focus on inclusion and diversity Many organizations are seeking to remove some of those previously unseen barriers The dive in festival upcoming a lot of the agenda is focused around that is how do we create a more inclusive workplace and society? But but yes, I mean certainly as as I've Progressed my career in in the u.s Um, one of the things that that I Found was while it was more of a meritocratic or Culture here There were barriers that were being experienced by other individuals such as african-american black latinx Other other groups and and I think what helped me frankly was my accent Um, I mean people people would see me in the in the u.s And they may assume and come up with assumptions, right? We all have stereotypes around people, but as soon as I started to speak Um, it it sort of threw them a little bit off around what those stereotypes were and so for me I think that's been an advantage, but I I'm very cognizant today Having done work particularly in the inclusion and diversity space that there are barriers that still exist for other people in In our society Yes, absolutely a lot of it's I think you know you have a story in your mind About someone or where someone's grown up or a country and for me It's a lot about a lot of it's about just changing the narrative changing the story You know being being open to you know, not everyone from this place is like that, right? And and and so I think it takes it takes time for that to To seep through Yeah, and you use the word story Stories are so powerful To change somebody's perception And and there's a lot of research that's being done in this and I remember encountering a professor Who's done a lot of work around? purpose and and has talked about how stories can Engage the brain neurologically in ways that other things other ways can't and and when you engage Using stories you can start to change behaviors. You can start to Impact your own purpose in a very meaningful way. So I I think that's such a critical part is telling our stories And getting people to see us differently Yeah, and also for me It's just being going to be open and interested in in listening to these stories because so much of our information comes from social media a WhatsApp group or you know an experience you might have had once years ago and And you know if you start to speak and engage and listen There's so you know so many amazing stories around by so many amazing people It might start to change the narrative in the head in your head, which is, you know, completely un You know un un bias or or un bias is not the right word, but um You know just that that that story that's that you've always thought to be true. Yeah um Yeah, look curiosity um and a desire to learn And understand You know if we if we each had that and we start from the basis of seeking first to understand before being understood Then yeah, I I'm convinced the world would be a better place Yeah, 100 percent 100 percent. I mean, I'm certainly guilty of this. I mean, I probably talk more than I listen But listen, this thing's great. You know asking questions Taking a real interest in in people and where they're at Everyone's human Absolutely You know, how did you how did you find as you mentioned earlier that there was it was a noticeable difference between the uk and the us when you when you get In what way in what way exactly how did you find? I I I remember um I remember distinctly money in the first three months that I arrived in Chicago I was invited to a client meeting And I had the opportunity to present to a senior individual at this client And if it had been six months or three months prior If I was in the uk that wouldn't have been the case and and partly again, it was either I'm not saying it was related to my race, but I think it was more related to age, frankly You know, I was this young Young individual, why would you put somebody young in front of a senior client and ask and give them a role? And and I I just remember that and then and then consistently over the next couple of years Being given more and more opportunities To do that kind of thing So, you know, I sort of struck by that that that in my mind just started to say, huh If I if I work hard Achieve good results. I'll be given more of those opportunities And it was just this very a very simple equation in my mind. What what was interesting was Um, I I then worked in in the u.s. For a number of years with that belief um a watershed really happened or 9 11 um because then You know, I'd felt as though The world had changed in so many different ways and for me being a person of color and being born a muslim um I felt That moment caused a difference in the way in which I was perceived and I felt it Felt it as starkly when I would get in and go to an airport and being randomly pulled from a line For for questioning. I remember one time I arrived from a flight from tokyo um back into chicago 1415 hour flight. I kind of remember and um Really tired and being pulled into a room for questioning For an hour and a half something like that And you know what I'd since discovered throughout all of these random checks and pulled pulled outlines was my name was similar to somebody on the no fly list so um, but it it was a just a stark um moment for me that Caused me to think well, you know, there is discrimination exists It's it isn't as simple as a straight line equation where hard work And and results equal progression And and it attuned me to to other other biases other Profiling that exists in in our country today in many other countries Yeah, how's it how's it develop because my perspective is i'm living in england um I have a business in america and friends and stuff, but you know, I see a lot of stuff on tv and you know I consume the media and it and it feels like the us has got worse over time Is that is that true? What's it like really been like? I I look I I don't think I actually think we've become more inclusive and diverse Over time and part of that is simply a function of the demographics, but in the year 2050 The q research has projected That we will become a majority minority country. So they're going to be more people of color Then they are not and that tipping point has started to happen already at lower age cohorts So if you look under 18s, there are more people of color than not and so that's causing All kinds of structural changes in the in in the country now. That's causing tension, but it's equally causing The need to be more inclusive and so whether that becomes from hiring people Employers have to be able to cast a broad and that it's it's a math problem You've got a high for you to hire talent You've got to appeal to all types of talent and then if you look at companies selling products In in in the united states, they've got to appeal to all consumers So that there is absolutely a shift And with any shift and you've seen it over different societies in different countries with shifts like that paradigm shifts structural shifts That leads to tension Yeah, and so we're going through that right now But but if we're grounded on certain principles And and if you look at the us the us is grounded and founded on a constitution which has Principles it's principally based and it allows us to anchor How we evolve as the society to those principles? And that's that's why I think we will get through this and we will be stronger and we are on a path of Of inclusion that isn't being turned around Yeah, they're very true very true.  You've got two political parties very everyone's very tribal Um, and so do you think you know people really mean? Bring your authentic self to work or bring your authentic self to work as long as you believe what I believe It's it's a good look. It's a good question. There's no easy answers to that You're right. We we have become more politically polarized over the last few years than than anywhere um, I I still believe that One needs to bring their entirety of their self to work um, and And be be able to be who they are at work There there is there's another part to that another dimension to that within the context of the values of that organization and so For us as an organization respect is a key value And so we bring us whole selves to work but within the context of being respectful to one another So so I think I think it's both right you need to to bring your whole selves to work because that's how individuals are more engaged at work and that's That's the kind of culture we're trying to create but it has to be With a set of values and within the context of the values of an organization and respectful. Yeah, because I've spoken to a lot of Sorry, sorry Cara. Yeah, you know, I was just going to say it is respectful is being is key Yes, I guys isn't going to say I've spoken to quite a lot of people and they've been struggling Struggling with this, you know, they want to they want to share more work They want to be open authentic Um, but I've really struggled with you know, knowing that I don't know the person Opposite them on the zoom now clearly, you know Feels differently about certain things and you know, we're always told when you grow up Don't speak about politics. Don't speak about religion.  Yeah, it is it is and especially when um, you know, there's an individual within a group that has a contrarian view And and the rest of the group doesn't and and so that person then ends up feeling excluded Which is the antithesis of inclusion Yes, and so um So to to me look, I don't think you can draw these hard and fast boundaries that prevent the kinds of conversations that you're talking about because Because at the end of they were human and we're trying to engage with one another I do think it comes back to something you and I've just talked about which is the idea of Seeking first to understand before being understood. Yeah, and if we start with that premise and be inquisitive and curious in a genuine way We're more likely to To get a more productive conversation Yeah, very true Very true Also interested.  You just said influenced your your leadership. Yeah um You know, if I go back to to my childhood My mother Had a career in the national health service in the uk as a midwife And um, she had us I'm the oldest of two And uh, I was born Well, um when she was relatively old at that time considering society at that time That's because she wanted to focus on her career correct, um Fast-forward we encountered some family problems financial problems as a family and and my mother was an anchor around Um, really supporting us during that time. So I've always had um, a very strong focus on gender diversity Uh and diversity more broadly and a lot of that heralds back from the role that my mother played in raising us You know, I mentioned what she said to us Um growing up you have to work twice as hard who's somebody who's white to be able to succeed And and so work ethic was has been a strong component as well as influenced me I'm also somewhat risk averse and um, and and that's something I've had to fight uh through a little bit and um and counter that and and and not immediately think about the Why I should say no to something and and really think about why I should say yes to it And and that's something I've worked through. So if I if I put all that together um, you know, I've really thought about how um, I as a leader Can impact others and and I've sort of framed this in my own purpose which is this idea of Unlocking and unleashing the power and potential in others so that they can experience their own purpose And um and and the leadership roles that I've had have allowed me to do that Yeah, how do you develop into leadership because you know, it's A lot of a lot of people that are trans you know, like they want to transition into leadership They want to create go up the career ladder But a lot of the time early on You know, you do well at school down to you You know, you enter you go to university again. It's down to you to study um If you've done team sports you start to get some maybe some early leadership experiences And then you start work and again early on in your career. It's again, it's your personal performance And once suddenly when you get thrust into, you know, a leadership role Then mentally it takes people a bit of time to to shift from I to we You know, did you did you did you experience that transition? Yeah? No, absolutely. I did and part partly um You're absolutely right. Most people end up becoming you know, in quotes leaders or at least leading people teams As a function of their individual contributions and a function of what they've done As in in their roles prior to becoming a leader So then you become a leader and you're given responsibilities on the scene But no one necessarily gives you the the handbook the blueprint to say here you go Here's how you be a successful leader. So a lot of it's trial and error and for me I remember a mentor and this is probably key is is are the mentors along the way that have helped me move into these roles a mentor said to me that um We have to move away from a culture of heroes And and what he meant by that was prior to that as individuals I felt was though I was impacting the organization through my ability to sell work deliver that work And and and really just grow the business in that way And what he said was as you've transitioned to a leader your role is not your individual contribution, but your ability to help others Achieve what you've been able to achieve. So you equip them you remove obstacles you Coach them you sponsor them And so that that I've had to learn that right at that pivot when I moved from an individual contributor to a leader and then since since being in formal leadership roles, I'm constantly um aware of other role models around me that I see doing things really effectively you have to be a tune to that um, and I worked with some amazing people Um to be able to to be able to emulate them in certain ways Yeah, I think that's great because so many people, you know, I mean, they don't like to admit it within the organization, but they really struggle with that that that transition piece um And yeah, you know, I think for for those watching and listening, you know, I think everyone goes through that Yeah, I know it's okay to feel like that and and I mean the interesting the one I was I have an exact coach as well and Really interesting piece of advice is, you know, treat your career like a business You know, you're the CEO of your business and don't wait for Your company to provide the learning opportunities, you know, take ownership of your career and Go get mentors go learn go listen to stuff go watch stuff and you know acquire the tools that you need to You know to go through that journey. Yeah No, you're you know, I I remember another mentor saying exactly what you just said you're the CEO of your own career and um, it does it does mean that they're It's incumbent upon you to seek out opportunities to build networks. I mean, that's another thing that I I've um I've learned over the years And and I I don't know if you're aware of Myers-Briggs Yeah, it's a profile Testing and and I I'm an ENTJ, but I'm a borderline extrovert Borderline so I I could easily slip into introvert. So There are some occasions. I derive my energy from other people and others. I need downtime but I so I've had to develop um networking skills and and so As I've done that over the years It starts from a place of curiosity So if I'm curious about somebody It makes it it actually becomes very natural. So when we were talking and and uh prior You know prior to this formal conversation I Yeah, I was curious about your background. Um, and you were sharing with me just your your parents and and uh the immigrant experience and um being yeah, I think you said your family being um Uh, is it your grandfather that um owned the only newspaper Jewish newspaper in Cairo, right? Yes, that was really interesting and I since actually really told that to somebody else Because I I just found that really interesting. So I I think if we um start from a place of curiosity networking doesn't become This alien scary thing. It just becomes a way of learning and being interested Yeah, and so many so many great stories, you know, so many we've got so many things that we share You know on the face of it You might look at you and I and people in their minds don't think oh quite different, you know different race Age, okay. I mean, you know, but actually our stories aren't too dissimilar You know, if you get in if you get into it, um, obviously they're personal to us, but It's I think it's really it's really fascinating But it is about making those connections, right? It's also when you when you engage with somebody um It's human nature to look for areas of commonality. I think right so We and we're striving to make a connection and when you make a connection that's real and substantive You you just feel you feel really good about that you feel like that's that that's you've connected with somebody on a human level Not a superficial level, but a real a deep level It's amazing and also I was a young guy asked me the other day How do I I'm a mentor this young guy and he said, you know, how do I get more opportunities? And so it was either it's business or job opportunities I can't think of a better way than building a really good network, you know a community of people Um and to build a community you need to spend time with people you need to be kind Um help people, you know do things for others You know, and if you you know if you look at your you know career over a long period of time I mean we're gonna be working for a long time and focus on just building a good community of people It's it's gonna you know really benefit you in the long term. So it's a really good way Yeah, and I think it has it has to be grounded in authenticity It has to be grounded in that you're not just doing it to get something out of it You're doing it because You're you're authentic as an individual and you're seeking to build a relationship and you're curious I I tell you I can spot a mile off somebody that's inauthentic and it and it just It really rubs me out the way. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah The other interesting thing is a lot a lot of people again have said it's really difficult now because I'm not going into the office You know, I'm not meeting people on the water cooler um But I think for me and I would love to hear your thoughts on this But I think now it's such an amazing opportunity to network even more than he did before I mean linkedin for example Is free to use it's probably the modern day cocktail party and everyone you're probably likely to work with now and in the future Work with as a client. They're all on there And and and a lot of people are most people love to chat You know, they're all at home They want to engage and have conversations and I think even if you're a real introvert You probably have to dial up a little bit less Courage or your extrovertness then you would do if you were in a bar or in a networking event in person. Yeah. Yeah, they're They're pros and cons, right? There are there are ways in which we've been able to connect with people in a virtual environment That we we would never have been able to connect to Before just because of whether it be by travel or because we've been able to convene virtual forums more easily Involving people from all kinds of walks of life and and I think Through those for for some of us. We've created relationships and we haven't even met them I know one of the projects I worked on for 18 months. There are individuals I worked with over teams and Webex that I have never met in person And I may never meet in person and yet we we got to know one another through that time Um, but then but there is something also to be said about the the human connection as well. It was interesting coming out of the pandemic And meeting some people that I'd been working with on zoom for for the prior 12 months or so and they're meeting them in person There was something very very different about that experience that there was a level of connection that I think is it can be you you can't surpass that with with other forms of communication and connection so I I think it's I but I we have to evolve and adapt and and I don't think it's a It's an or I think it's an and yeah, both the virtual world and the the real world Yes, um being able to create connections. That's very true. How is I'm really so how is your leadership style if at all Changed over the last 18 months. Yeah You've got people virtual some coming in. I mean and and interesting, you know, how how you might think that the future might like I I think it I think you have to be a lot more intentional about connecting with people as a leader so you think about the the the More the pre-pandemic world when you're traveling and you're meeting people There are countless opportunities for serendipitous interactions with people that are That work in your organization, right? You're walking a whole and you connect with somebody randomly Former relationship who progress an issue or or there's a follow-up that comes out of that conversation That that serendipitous set of interactions That there are less of those in the virtual world. So unless as a leader you're purposefully connecting with people um On a one-on-one basis. It's really it's really difficult to to to emulate that prior pre to have pre pandemic Serendipitous world. So I think that's certainly one. Um, I think the the other thing is You you as a leader Can you also have to manage your own energy? Yeah. So what what I mean by that it's it can be fatiguing Going from You know 7 a.m through to the evenings every day On on these kinds of calls and what has happened. I think Our work days have become elongated during this virtual environment And so unless you put up boundaries to that um, it can quickly suck a lot of energy and time And then cause you to be a less effective leader So I think that that's another piece to it is being able to manage that Um, and I think I guess the third piece as a leader as well It's recognizing that some of these zoom calls for some people Um, just as as my energy is being depleted Their energy could be and and they also may may be more of an introvert So how do you engage them in a broader group? Um, and so using things like breakouts can be helpful, right using the chat feature To engage them in in that uh in a conversation could be helpful for some of those people asking them Are they comfortable having their camera on or is it actually better for them? You know to turn turn their camera off And so, you know as a leader trying to meet people where they're at I think is another another Technique that that I've tried to employ as well Then that that's really good because it's a lot of a lot of people over the pandemic And there's a lot of stories of burnout still is um people in different scenarios, you know people working in their bedrooms and Parents looking after their kids when the schools were shut What what did what did you do over the pandemic to make people feel that they could be open With yeah what that scenario was. Yeah, I I would say um, I mean it evolved for one it evolved as we went along because we learned Um, how how best to manage through those times. We've done things like Um for some of our businesses said on fridays Let's try and limit the number of internal meetings. Let's try and come off camera when there are meetings and and have some some Opportunity just to recharge right so that's that was one thing We've done things like uh, and many organizers have done this have done things like virtual happy hours at you know At the end of the day to connect And and create a more of a social environment um, we've also um tried to be I think a little bit more focused around You know who needs to be at that meeting who who doesn't so we're not Continually bombarding people with with meeting requests. I think another technique has said look block time For some you know, there's real simple things when you're working across different time zones um You can one can be less cognizant of Things like lunch times, right? So to block your lunch time Which is what I do and I'll open it up when I need to but I try to block it so I can have a meal During the day, right? Yeah, and so there are just things like that where comes back to um, the things that we've talked about Um being authentic seeking to understand where somebody else is in their situation And and being empathetic to it. That's I guess another word that we haven't used but it's about being empathetic leaders So That's true I I've had a lot of people putting a fake commute in their diary The beginning of the day because if you're if you're working at home a lot of people you roll out of bed You come into your office or wherever you work and as you as you said the days get elongated and you can forget to move You know, it's just good to move in the morning. And then I I personally I put my exercise in my diary like Like it's the most important meeting of the day, you know, like if I had a meeting with you, I wouldn't move it I'm not moving my uh, I'm not moving my my gym session. Yeah And I just feel so much better when I'm doing those things Yeah, I I think that's important and I I've tried to do that as well Particularly around the exercise. I mean that's like I go through ups and downs I'm sure like many people sometimes I'm going through a really good streak of getting my runs in and and Workouts and then others I you know, they they go by a little bit by the wayside, but no, I'm 100% with you We've got we've got to draw boundaries employers as they seek to create more inclusive environments also have to help employees and colleagues set boundaries as well and create the environment where individuals can do that Yes, the one thing I'm I'm going to be honest the one thing I'm working on Which I haven't been able to do is leave my phone outside my bedroom In the evening because I I get sucked in I'm looking at my emails. I'm you know working internationally and get email So that's for me. That's the thing I'm working on which I think will have a good impact on better sleep You got to do it. I I've been doing it for years. It's never in my room Yeah, it's never never quite I at the end of the day I plug in my phone outside of my room and I I use the the The bed as a sanctuary to try to just switch off and decompress I think it's so so important. I need to take your lead on that Last thing before we go, I'm really to get your thoughts on maybe a few trends that you think are going to materialize over the next You know a couple of years and how maybe like this this whole work from home Hybrid working, you know how that might end up evolving. Yeah That's I mean, I've never been much of a futurist when it comes to that then I I've got a colleague and a friend who We will have sometimes these conversations about the future and predictions and I would say nine times out of 10 It's usually the opposite of what he says. So it's a really good guide to actually figure out. What's really going to happen is ask him so So my my view is I look I I don't I think the the workplace is going to evolve where yes, there'll be there'll be a hybrid Type environment, but I think what the what the ways in which we work today um in in the knowledge worker environment is that we've realized that there is so much inefficiency when you Move to when you commute from where you are right now So I'm in my home and if I were to commute into work in the Willis tower in Chicago I I Pack my bag. I'd walk to the train. I'd get on to the train Go to Chicago get off the train and then walk to the Willis tower open up my laptop and do exactly what I could have done an hour prior so That just makes no sense So so as we think about just the role of of the workplace to me, it's it's going to evolve around Why do we come into the workplace? It's to collaborate. It's to develop people and train them. It's to create Develop meetings with clients and interact with clients. It's So there are there are specific reasons why we've come into the workplace And versus having the default be coming to the workplace now I I think it's critical that for teams to function that they have to be interactions when teams come together But but I don't think it will be the default where people are going to do what I just described around my commute into into Chicago I do think we have to be careful though particularly for Individuals starting out in their career So so, you know, my son is in college in in three years time. He'll enter the workplace and Right now he's doing some work outside of college right now and he's working with a lot of people He's never met before so maybe he's going to adapt to that environment, but I do still think When you when you first join an organization And you want to meet other individuals and you want to to be part of a culture In-person interaction has to be part of the equation. It may not be the default, but it has to be part of that equation Yeah, completely agree and I agree that, you know, it's not going to be the same as it was I think that's that's almost for certain. I mean, I'm in London in ec3 right now It's a Thursday and I mean, there's almost no one on the streets You know, the buildings are pretty much empty Um, amazingly everything's going on virtually still, right? I mean the economy is roaring along and You know in America loads of new jobs being created But if you walked the streets right now and you'd go to the Lloyd's building and you'd have a look at You'd think, you know, what's going on. Yeah, so It's going to be really really interesting. A lot of businesses I speak to they're Landing on some hybrid kind of model, you know, a few days a week or you're in with your team Will you work from home depending on the kind of job function that you do? Yeah But it's yeah, it's going to be really interesting to see how it evolves. It is. I think I think people During this time have have built a lot of resilience around just their own Their own whatever situations they've been in whether it be young kids or being On their own during this time. It's been hard for many people And I think there's a sense of resilience that has been built I also think there's a sense of Change and adaptability. I think you're seeing people Willing to to move into different jobs, for example You're seeing that across certainly the united states. We call it the great resignation where you've seen individuals that Move from one company to another. I think there's almost this this ability to to change and adapt more easily Because of what we've gone through and a level of resilience to be able to Weather through storms. So maybe that's some of the positives, but I think we've noticed a little bit of that Yeah, no, because they say, you know, once you once when you go through a shared experience So this has been a I mean the world has gone through this experience together But you always I've found from my team. We've got closer together You know, we've been going through and helping each other through this You know this tough moment and I think we've got a lot closer and together Through it. We've all been in our houses. You've seen people's fridges Their bedrooms, you know, wherever people might choose to be and it's been a real Yeah, it's been a really interesting experience. Yeah Yeah, it's the time always is the ability to to look back and allow us to reflect So it'll be we should have this conversation in five years time and See see where we're at at this point Definitely love it. Inbred, thank you so much for joining me Really lovely to hear your story and all the great things that you're doing. So thank you so much Really appreciate it. Pleasure pleasure


The Federal High Court, Abuja, has fixed July 2nd for the adoption of all processes filed by parties issued by former Abiyah Gavna Oji, Uzo Kahlu, speaking to SUP, his trial. The court had in February granted Kahlu lead to challenge the legality of the retrial. At the resume hearing on Wednesday, counsel to the former Gavna professor Awakalu told the court that the respondent had served on him the account of affidavits. The former Gavna had also applied for an order prohibiting the EFCC from retrying, harassing and intimidating him with respect to the set charge or any other charge based on same fact as he need not suffer double jeopardy. Justice Ingyang Aikwo adjourned the matter until July 2nd for adoption. Don't forget to hit the notification button so you get notified about fresh news updates.


Hi, I'm Hamish Buchanan. I'm an architect based in Hampshire, and I've been using Drupal for about 18 months now. So I like everyone else. I'm here to learn more about Drupal, in particular how other people are using Drupal. So looking for things, sort of not just building a website, but using it for other applications. So, for example, we're building an internal website, a document repository. So I'm here to find out a bit more about the use cases for using Drupal for more than just a website. Yes, I've been to the keynotes and a few of the sessions, but really just walk around and meeting people in the sort of overlunch and drinks and things. It's a great place to come and pick people's brains and just find out what everyone's up to. It's certainly the biggest and it's in a very nice location this year, obviously being refurbished. So yeah, it's very good, it's very well laid out, some great sessions, and yeah, nice to meet everyone.