Okay, we're back. We're live on global connections for the love of Hong Kong. It's a book by Hannah Mayhan Davis, who joins us from New York right now. Hi, Hannah, how are you? Hi, I'm good. How are you? Good.  Here's a picture of the book. And now you, you know, you go to another generation and you look at it from another point of view, perhaps not quite as academic as they because they're both academicians, global academicians, if you will, so familiar with the critical times, the critical decades in Hong Kong. And you saw that as a babe. And you saw that as you grew up, you saw it deteriorate is what you did. So you just graduated from Yale, and you're studying or you did study architecture and journalism, which is the strangest combination I can tell. Can you tell us how those two intersect and why those two and what those two have to do for the love of Hong Kong. I actually contrary maybe to what most people might think I do think they intersect a lot I think there's kind of just an attention to detail that both fields require, and in architecture maybe you're thinking of it more visually and conceptually but in journalism you're doing things just writing about it and so I think they do intersect. But yeah, no, it's relevant to Hong Kong, I guess for that reason that they both kind of push you to look at the nuances of what's going on and not just you know one aspect of it but consider the visuals the culture of politics with history all of that. So, architecture, I have found through your friend Michael Kimmelman the New York Times architecture critic, who also has time at Yale and Harvard who is really one of my favorite speakers. Found that you know architecture is about people, you know, everything's got people really. But when you listen to him you realize that it's all it's designing a world for people or not. I have to be mindful of that. And at the same time journalism especially these days journalism is about people it's finding truth and truth is evasive these days. So I can tell you that at UH, there's a new flurry of activity at the communications. The communications journalism center. The program there and I've heard that there was an article in where was it oh NPR recently about how people were flocking to journalism because they wanted to get involved they wanted to do something want to write it up. And I expect that's part of your motivation is it. No, absolutely you, I guess hit the nail on the head I think it's both an effort to kind of commit it to memory or commit what you're experiencing and seeing and all of that to not even just memory but to paper so that it's there forever. And the other thing is to just understand it's a way of processing. I think what's going on in the world when it's so almost unprocessable this kind of stage that we're in. And just to touch on that a bit you know I was saying before the show that, you know you you grew up you cut your teeth so to speak, growing up in a deteriorating Hong Kong. This really sort of sad story because you know we all lose our childhood somehow, and you lost it in, you have lost it in in ways that are so so hard. And so here you are, you're in the United States you, you carry a lot of memories around which we'll talk about in the book. And you find that the same sort of same sort of process or at least a parallel correlated processes is happening here that way the government was, you know, deteriorating or being forced to deteriorate in Hong Kong we have a kind of deterioration here in the United States and so you, you go from the, the frying pan to the fire so to speak or maybe the other way around how do you feel about that. I mean, not to be annoying but I think that there's a lot of freedom such as to vote in the press and you know to think and act freely in the US that can be taken for granted at times and I think we saw that in 2016 when people weren't voting as much as they should have been when you know in Hong Kong two years prior there had been thousands of people hundreds of thousands of people sitting in the streets for 79 days to fight for that exact same right for one man one vote. And so I think that's something that has resonated with me a lot the past couple of years having moved here properly in 2016 but just, you know, making sure to not take things as seemingly basic as the right to vote for granted. Now PS on all of that just a footnote is that the news on cable today is that Ron DeSantis the governor of Florida who they say may run against Trump for the nomination. Next time around has said that he is going to withhold funding from universities in Florida state funding I suppose, but who knows where that goes with who. So universities who are too liberal, however you define that. So we have the thought police, the thought police are marching. And here's a guy who could be running for governor, president, who is saying that he's going to try to affect freedom of speech on campus in the state of Florida. It's very troubling to me, very troubling. Let's, let's talk about your book we need to talk about your book. Why did you write such a book and certainly you wanted to memorialize your childhood. It's a lot of that isn't it. What made you do it though you could have waited. And as a much smaller kind of senior thesis senior essay type project when I was chronicling the fall of my senior year, the 2019 anti extradition protests as they were unfolding as a capstone for my for the human rights program which I was a part of. And it grew into this I guess much larger book, as a way as you say to kind of say farewell to Hong Kong as a way to really just memorialize this day and all these memories that I had. And so, I think, I think they were it was happening as really each raw emotion was happening to me as well I would go kind of weeks without writing anything because I just put in bear to and then there'd be one night where you could just just keep writing non stop because it was all there suddenly and so it was very just like a visceral processing of what was going on, as it was going on. So you, you've had you've grown up there and you've had a lot of friends there. You know some of whom, as you mentioned the book are in the United States now and query is anybody else written a book like this or are you unique kind of. I think there's a lot of creativity coming out of Hong Kong right now, and especially in the past two years or so. And even more so I'd say these days as maybe the avenues in which you can express yourself or becoming more and more narrow. And so we saw in the height of the 2019 protest and in 2020 just lots of art visual kind of film writing poetry coming out of the city and there's been quite a few more kind of anthology type collections of essays of protesters I can imagine a lot of the leading figures in the movement are working on projects themselves. A similar line and lots of kind of you know academic books for scholars local scholars. But I mean, hopefully what I did is unique. Can you go back. I probably not. My parents definitely can't out of extreme caution. We're probably not any of us going back anytime soon, unless something drastically changes. With this book and kind of you know the ensuing offense and other pieces that I've released as part of marketing and all of that. The odds I guess are slimmer and slimmer. So when your, your dad and I we started to do these discussions about Hong Kong was a time of the umbrella movement seems like a long time ago.  But anyway, you know one of the big questions that came up and I want to pose it to you is what, what did you think would happen. Do you think that Xi Jinping was going to let this happen that, you know, let it slip out of his hands. It was clear that he wanted to accelerate the 2047 date. He wasn't about to lose ground, he wanted to gain ground. So what do you think would happen with all this protest. I mean, wasn't it clear what the future would be. I think there was a time in 2019 when the protests really started picking up where there was great hope that this was actually going to impact some sort of change when you saw one 2 million people coming on the streets, hundreds of thousands every weekend and strikes kind of across the city across different fields and professions, you know, schools of education. I think there's always kind of been an ebb and flow of optimism among Hong Kongers. I think when you see big turnout when you, which usually kind of is in almost direct response to the government's breaking of promises in terms of democracy and human rights and the rule of law. And there is this kind of moment of optimism, but when that fails or if that fails, then a kind of, I think, dread and sadness settles in. And so Hong Kongers have dealt with that cycle for, you know, two decades now. And I think at the start of 2019, which really is what kind of kicked things off to be what's going on today. There was a sense of optimism, which kind of quickly fell into a sense of well, even if things don't go badly, this is our, you know, live or die moment, we have to give everything our all right now. And I think that was especially person among people who are my age or, you know, approximately born in the years around the 1997 handover because the future that would be impacted if China continued to encroach was so immediate to us. And it would impact, you know, our careers our education choices where we had kids got married all of that and so I think there was an element of optimism but be hard to be optimistic. Well, it might have been you know I catch that from your book you, you, you describe that in great detail and, you know, very well so that the reader understands just what that optimism was but just wondering what, what would you be optimistic about at that time in other words, you know all these students are out there and faculty, millions of people from, you know, the ordinary walk of life and optimistic about what what in an optimistic sense what did they hope to achieve at the time, you know, of the umbrella movement and forward it was one in 2012 also these various protested, but what did they hope to achieve what do they think the, you know the, you know, Hong Kong would look like in their minds I think there was a big sense among people which is really what's always driven people to the streets in Hong Kong that when the direct kind of promises that we were given by UK by Britain and China during the 1997 handover were under threat that we had to be there and protect our, you know, autonomy or freedom or human rights, when the kind of government was failing to do so. And so I think the biggest, maybe most direct form of optimism being a hope that, you know, in big numbers in 2015 600,000 1 million even thinking at 2 million people that something might actually come of that that there were enough voices in a city of you know just over 7 million people that, you know, someone had to listen at some point and there was a lot of international attention on Hong Kong to and I actually wasn't there in 2019 but I was interning at the Washington Post in the first day of my internship 1 million people had marched across. The fact is something that that really woke me up in your book and that is this, you know, people don't remember that in 1997, coming off from, you know, the previous 100 and some odd years that that Hong Kong was a British colony. They did not have its own sovereignty. It was run by the Brits and, and, you know, I mean okay the Brits they're not, they're not so bad but that there was no Hong Kong sovereignty although a lot of people in Hong Kong wanted to have sovereignty felt that they could benefit by it. You know, this was their destiny of sorts. And, and you talked about the five seconds. Remember that can you can you talk about that the five seconds between the flags. There's, there was a passage I had read once in you know kind of scouring the internet and books on everything where a writer had written, who was writing about the 1997 handover ceremony which was a very grand affair between these two great world powers. They wrote about the kind of five second, you know time lag between the British colonial flag, lowering, and the Chinese flag raising and in this span where only the Hong Kong flag was hanging. That was the only autonomy that and kind of. That was the most Hong Kong that Hong Kong has ever been because there wasn't this you know, holler flag hanging slightly you know a couple feet away. And I just thought was so, I don't know, poetic and it's such a visceral image that you can see. I could feel it, I could feel it in your book and you know, and then I and then I later on I realized that from that point forward or at least soon thereafter forward. The Hong Kong flag hangs higher in Hong Kong, and the Hong Kong flag which had it sovereignty for five seconds hangs lower and that's the way it is. That's the way it's been. And that gives you a sort of a peek into the future. Yeah, no, absolutely.  It's, it's good literature really is and you describe, you know, the streets, your sense of safety and call it your affinity with even even alleys and dark places that were safe in Hong Kong. And the food and the people and the and the clamor and commotion all around you. This was the Hong Kong that you grew up in this is the Hong Kong you grew a lot so it was different than the academic side of your life can you talk about what Hong Kong was when you were a kid growing up and and why you didn't have any concern about living among all this noise and commotion. And I think, I think safety was definitely huge element of it that, you know, with the kind of rise in power and authority of the police force there is and you know just fear of what the new law might mean. There's a lack of that safety now that's very deep. But something I always think about is you'll see when I was a kid you'd see five or six year olds like kindergarten school students going to and from school alone taking subways mass transit railways buses, because people trusted the city the crime rate was shockingly low. It was just, there's this at one point. I remember this super random news story that the prisoner kind of level in Hong Kong was at such a low because there just wasn't that much going on that the local cat rescue shelter had let all the cats go into the prison to just, you know, be watched and loved by the prisoners and I just thought that was so kind of symbolic of how just safe the city was for so many years. And it was a place where really you could go anywhere the transit systems great you could go anywhere and kind of find a sense of belonging because each neighborhood, you know, to a certain extent reflected the next and it really always felt like there was a pocket around just, you know, knowing and understanding and you couldn't be if you know spoke the language knew the place you couldn't really be lost because everyone was just kind of there and you mean not the friendliest but like would stop and help if you needed help and that was always something that struck me and I thought was super special just the trust people had. Yeah, great, great geo wishing too bad it's gone. But you had an advantage. You spoke, what can Cantonese to speak Mandarin to just Cantonese. Oh, good. I was going to ask you to do the show either in Cantonese or the other. Anyway, so, so there came a time when you realize that Hong Kong went even as a child, or at least teenager when you realize that a lot of Hong Kong. A lot of the energy of Hong Kong was being focused into the freedom movement. You know the human rights movement, the academic expression of that but then expression by everyone on the streets. I mean a million people that's way, way more than the academic community and there's something, but you got drawn into that What about how and why and what it was like as a kid as a teenager to be drawn into this enormous force of protest. Yeah, I think, I mean as a kid, growing up with parents and kind of family adjacent people that were very active in the pro democracy movement. What happened to me as a kid was just very kind of inertial like you did where your parents took you to and it made sense that I would appear at these annual movements and say hi to people that were basically aunties and uncles to me the same way they are in Hawaii. And that just was all kind of a given and I think the moment for me that it became kind of glaringly apparent that that wasn't a given for everybody and that there were, you know, a large number of people who might disagree with my kind of families position on politics and was actually during the 2014 umbrella movement. When my school was actually very engaged in having kind of conversations about what was going on in the city making sure you know speakers came to explain things talk about things share their views from both sides really. We'd have in class debates and discussions people would write you know their final essays on them for whatever history class or something like we were in high school. But there was a lot of conversation about it and our schools human rights group which I was part of actually had kind of teacher chaperone visits to the protest site. And there was a moment where I'd be talking, I was talking with one of my friends and she was complaining about how, you know, because the traffic had slowed down due to the protesters the sit in in front of the government complexes. It took her two extra hours to get to her tutor, some sort of extracurricular class and that that was the most annoying thing in the world and how terrible these people out on the streets disrupting everything blah blah blah. And I mean in hindsight she's probably reflecting the views of her parents at the time as I was also, but it just it really struck me that it wasn't obvious in her mind as it was in mind that those people had to be on the streets, you know where at school we're doing our little kid thing but people are age are on the streets and that's noble of them really admirable. I think that was a moment for me where I was, oh wait, there is. It's not a generational thing it's not some political thing that you know I don't know who sit in fancy offices think about and I don't have to it kind of all around you. Well that raises an interesting question I mean you, you clearly attended tended to the freedom movement or democracy movement that was a natural. It was a natural because of you know your parents but it was also a natural because I think I'm suggesting this, just looking at your book is a natural because of yours, you know you're thinking at the time and the school you were attending and so far. But, but it was not universal in Hong Kong. There were people in Hong Kong and Hong Kong who were rooting for Beijing. They were rooting for more control by Beijing they were not going to stand in Beijing's way and they were going to oppose and actually discourage the protesters. Did you know any of them was was there an active conversation going on. Was it a divisive experience to know that there were two sides to that question. I think as someone who kind of went to, you know, fairly privileged elite private international school. A lot of my classmates I think understood the privilege and took it to mean that this maybe wasn't something that you would discuss so openly, especially you know as 2019 2020 war on. It was for the sake of maintaining a piece among kind of friends. I think there was definitely a lot less division in 2014 when we were still in school together as classmates. I think in recent years I've aired almost kind of out of self preservation or just, you know, not needing to get into a huge argument for better or worse to the kind of side of just you know keeping my mouth shut. I think we all know what each other thinks and the conversation will come up when and if it does but I honestly have a lot more conversations about Hong Kong political situation with friends from university than I do with high school class. Unless I'm kind of certain that they agree with me almost. Why does this remind me of what's happening in the United States. Thinking that. What's about you. My thoughts are you can correct me, you're entitled. Number one, number one is, you know, you carry within you. Hong Kong, the true Hong Kong, Hong Kong you grew up in the noble democratic freedom loving Hong Kong the the synthesis of east and west and maybe the best elements. You carry that within you and you took the time to write this book about it. And my guess is that that's not going to change in your lifetime you're always going to be defined by, you know, your life in Hong Kong and how you feel about Hong Kong. As you, as you have left it, and this book. Am I right. Or are you moving on. You're definitely right. I think, especially having been away from home for two years now and, you know, many more years to come probably that the, I think the way home wherever it is for people all across the world in similar situations kind of comes to mean to you I think really changes. It becomes something that I think is very very central to your identity and to my identity that maybe wasn't so overtly, you know, one of the pillars I could have kind of stood on until the reality of what was going on kind of became clear and clear. And I think another thing, I guess, that I kind of carry with me that was actually something someone said to me one of the journalists I interviewed for the book said that you love Hong Kong but maybe now you find that Hong Kong isn't a place that's worth your love anymore. And that's really stuck with me. He's saying this is someone who plans to stay, but is kind of very on the fence about this. And I'm kind of receiving this quote as someone who, you know, really didn't have a saying the matter of whether I'm staying or going. And I'm now on this other side of the fence. And I think for everyone who's away, it definitely is a place that is worth your love. And I think that's really this kind of like question of whether or not Hong Kong needs to be fought for anymore is something that's really going to carry people forward for years to come. Well, you know, I think Beijing has done a good job in squashing Hong Kong. I mean, you knew they were going to take for Connie and steps and, and they certainly have and it struck me that I won't mention his name but the somebody you mentioned in the book that you really could not discuss the book with. You know, mention him as a source or reviewer of your of your book, because that would get him in trouble. And what that suggests to me is that is what has happened in Hong Kong is that kind of cut you off from an open discussion with the people that you would like to talk to who live in Hong Kong because they will be at risk. And indeed under the security law they would be at risk. And so if you published a book of, you know conversations with your old friends in Hong Kong who are still there, express their views about the government my goodness they would be at risk. Am I right about that isn't that kind of cutting you off from your own connections. I think that's one way of thinking about it. I think the kind of vagueness of the terms of this law that's been imposed on to Hong Kong, add to this feeling of uncertainty, there's no, you know, clear cut, this is what you can do and this is what you can't do and if you do what you can you'll get in trouble. The kind of ambiguity of the language means that, you know, they might not get in trouble if I published a book of conversations I had before 2020, but they also might, or maybe they'd be, you know, fine and I would get in trouble or someone's, you know, kid or parent who's, you know, they've immigrated but their family is still home they could get in trouble for something someone else does abroad and so there's I think just the lack of connection I think is very fair and I think it's a lot of people you know struggling to find new ways of kind of maintaining that connection to home and maintaining, you know, connection to people who still symbolize home whether they're living back home or living abroad. Well as I went through your book I became more nostalgic for the good old days. I became sadder I'm sure that you know I was tracking on your state of mind as you wrote it. And that leads me to one question I want to ask you was how do you feel about the future really of Hong Kong. It's not going to be the way it was. It's never coming back. Maybe you could say that about the US to it's never, you know, there is no old normal becoming normal again. And the reality is that when Beijing has it completely under under control, life will be different in Hong Kong not only for the generation that Beijing is concerned about now but for the children of the children of the generation. It won't be something you can easily reckon. How do you feel about that. How do you feel about what do you think is going to happen. I think my most maybe hopeful thought on what is happening is something one of my professors said to me at Yale, which was Hong Kong is a happening it's a phenomenon that doesn't need to be bound by this kind of space time that it's in. What they're referencing was this kind of almost forced mass exodus of people this kind of forced creativity into you know rethinking and reimagining what a Hong Kong or is and who that might be. I think that's, you know, maybe the most hopeful it gets is thinking about what Hong Kongers can do abroad, which you know both my parents contribute to which is why you've interviewed them and there's just you know countless of people doing really important work. And I think for a lot of Hong Kongers whether or not they can go home. I, you know, would imagine that a sense of almost responsibility in a sense of trying to bring Hong Kong story into whatever work they're doing will be, you know, present for a lot of people. The situation on the ground is a lot more bleak you point I think correctly to this, you know, generational rift that is probably going to happen where there's kids my age slightly younger, and of course older people who lived through what we all just live through and you know have memories and you know concretely say through personal experience what happened what they think, then there will be, you know, likely a whole act of kind of brainwashing and forgetting which is what we've seen in mainland China for younger generations, especially, you know with electoral reforms and national education curriculum and things like that and I think that's a pretty scary thought as someone my age that I could be talking to someone who's 10 years younger than me, you know, a couple years down the line and we would have totally different stories regardless of what their parents think and my parents think and I might think that we just have totally different understandings of what Hong Kong's history has been and so I think that's a pretty hard to digest reality. But let me offer you this just a reaction I have on. And that is, you know, many ways that doors closed, it's closed for you and many others it's closed for other countries in the world, you know, who have treated Hong Kong as a kind of the jewel of the Orient in many ways, both, you know, socially and culturally and just generally energetic across roads of the world, which isn't it's not going to be the case going forward, but you were there, you grew up there.  And in a funny way, you were part of the history of this extraordinary phenomenon from 1997 till, you know, recently, you carry within you the history of it you're you're an historical icon. You were there, there aren't that many of you like that. I see you as a lucky person, and I'm lucky to get to meet you actually. But let me ask you, you know, what would you like people to carry away from your book, which is very well written I must say, you know, Yale is a pretty good school. It really is. It's loaded with metaphors and references it's loaded with personal, you know, personal experiences that you, you know, have the power to articulate so well. But what do you want people to carry away what state of mind would you like to have as they close the cover of your book and maybe look forward to the next one. I think something that the past four years being in the US, you know, aligning five years I guess aligning with kind of Trump's election and all of that, and the aftermath of everything that has gone on. Something that really strikes me is that, you know, all of these social movements all of these protests all of these, any fight for kind of you know people say it all the time like any fight for I think Martin Luther King, maybe fight for justice, anywhere is, I don't say the quote terribly, but these movements are all linked together. And I think that's something to keep in mind that you can't, you know, push for democracy somewhere and human rights somewhere without pushing for it uniformly. And that's actually a weird shocking juxtaposition you see sometimes. And I think that, you know, to think of Hong Kong if you're protesting somewhere for something that stands for human rights and justice, and you know rule of law. This city really just kind of so benefited and so supported the world for so many decades and became a place where so many people have traveled to and moved to and loved and, you know, dim some from everything to food to cinema culture to just you know politics and all of that Hong Kong has made an impact on the world and I think, you know, at risk now of being subsumed into mainland China a lot of that might be lost and so I think just, you know, remembering Hong Kong when you think of things that are, you know little tidbits that are relevant and remembering that it's a city and it's of the people on, you know, in Hawaii, especially there's tons of, you know, Hong Kong immigrants in Hawaii. And I think just not forgetting as long as we can back with the bookings to do to that. And to remember, unless we forget their, their courage is what was going on on the streets until fairly recently was a statement of extraordinary courage in the face of great risk threat. Okay, we're at the point where I want to ask you to read a piece so we can wrap ourselves in your prose. Can you give us a paragraph that expresses your prose. I can. And I did prepare it. So, it's on page 29, if you have your book today. It starts, I was born seven months after the handover in Mon Sean's Prince of Wales hospital on a rainy winter day in February 1998. My parents named me may hon in honor of Martin's late mother, watching over me as a sleeping infant my godfather pointed to my throat fist raised high above my head as if I were punching the air and indignation. He joked, saying it was a sign that I'd follow in his steps one day. My childhood was defined by the rhythm of Hong Kong's pro democracy movement and the cascading greenery of the Chinese University campus where we lived in airy wood panel faculty housing. The campus was my playground, an oasis of safety that gave a child the freedom to explore alone, but the streets of protest or my classroom, where I'd wave signs and chant slogans that I could not yet read, eating steaming plates of peanuts and fun after swimming lessons, watching Sesame Street at four in the afternoon, and going to the annual Tiananmen candlelight vigil were all unsuaiable routines in my young mind. Thank you so much. It's wonderful to meet you and get to know you. I see you as a child of Hong Kong. Maybe the perfect expression of the best times in Hong Kong. Thank you so much for joining us. Thank you.


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We are in officially the top 1% of the league It's the top 20 well the top 20s with number 29 Julio Jones Julio Jones originally known as Julio Jones to me Is a wide receiver who has been traded from the Falcons who he's played for for I'm gonna say about 10 years To the Titans in the off-season so to be Interesting if nothing else to see him line up in a different uniform on The same team is a guy by the name of Derek Henry. So so all of that and more will be revealed We'll look at his stats. We'll have a look at his story We'll have a look at a new story or two around around the trade and and why and how that happened if we can hear Julio talk For once on this video, that'd be great. So I'm gonna roll the intro and let's crack into it Right then before I look up his stats myself Let's just have a wee listen because I've had a bit of a habit of You know jumping forwards and checking things Myself to then be told the exact things that I've just looked up by the narrator. So for now, let's just watch Right now shoot it down the field for John's instead of a wobbly one Right to work to Julio Jones The second time he played then he had like Basically, he is a 100-yard cheat code 80 yards the first drive of the game Ryan to throw again Julio Jones But guys number 11 is gonna beat you. You have to guard it. You know, he definitely had a family here Jones is killing Carolina. Julio deserved that respect I mean in our air Julio Jones has always been a number one receiver, you know, I'll kind of get his longevity Down the field it's called Jones As far as like in the 10-year stint and the ability to do everything can break tackles Julio 10-5 Touchdown in a decent strength with the handoff Atlanta, amazing After 10 years in Atlanta, Julio Jones will take his talents to Tennessee in 2021 I've been Julio fan for a while like he because he's one of those like physical specimens, right?  So he starts running and like everybody like you be so fast You got to turn them in the whole ass, right? You got a hotel and so like most guys can't stop when he stops and so he's just wide open You know with Julio, it's not just about your ability to run fast Right, okay, that makes sense. So for any defender to want to actually have the ability To keep up with Jones at any time on the field, they're going to have to be running near on their full speed Which means that when Jones wants to stop on a dime, it's going to require a fair bit of agility Possibly a little bit of luck or else Julio is going to be wide open And I think that's what we just saw there Damn, I tell you what, he does have some speed off the mark Jesus, he goes a fair way down the field, doesn't he? But I'm thinking these corner backs, surely if they were to, you know, to line up in front of him They'd probably have at least a better chance of shutting down the move But actually, how far back from the line of scrimmage does he line up? No, he's right on the line. Well, I suppose first of all they're looking for the run They've got one tight end and one receiver to the left See the option one, two, or three really, isn't it? And they go with option three Literally broges the angle, look at this How are you going to defend that, man? How are you going to defend that? That's excellent work It's full speed, it's great Full speed, alright, and actually that reminds me As far as his attitude, as far as the way he plays, it is full speed 100% of the time And you hear about it And snapping out of each and every curve, everything is violent, everything's precise It's like to a tee I mean he runs a post-corner and he leads Now, you would have watched that thinking he did that in absolute silence But that's not true He might not have said any actual words But I'll tell you what, each and every one of those steps he would have been Ha ha ha ha ha And he's basically the Maria Sharapova of the NFL And don't ant me about it Broke some orientives Ha ha ha ha ha Right, so we got a fist bump But we didn't actually get some words from the man So with that in mind, not only would we look up his stats Give him the time of day, but we'll also look up an interview Because I ain't stopping this video Because I'm not shutting this video off until we hear that man speak Alright, so let's go Quintoris Lopez, Julio Jones Is an American football wide receiver for the Tennessee Titans Played college football at Alabama And in 2009 helped lead the Crimson Tide to an undefeated 14-0 season He was drafted 6th overall by the Atlanta Falcons in their 2011 NFL Draft And that is quite high And let's be honest guys, that's pretty high for a wide receiver to be drafted He has a rare combination of size at 6 foot 3 and 220 pounds Running a 40-yard dash in under 4.4 seconds Jeepers creepers Alright, I'm going to read you some stats Basically this paragraph covers his final two years with the Falcons And his trade in the off-season to the Titans So on November 11th 2018 he became the fastest player in NFL history To reach 10,000 career receiving yards On September 15th 2019 He became the all-time career receiving yards leader for the Falcons On October 5th 2020 he became the all-time career receptions leader for the Falcons And his career average of 96.1 receiving yards per game Almost 100 yards Is the highest in NFL history In 2021 he was traded to the Titans after reported disgruntlement With Atlanta's new front office And I reckon we'll just leave it there He's a seven-time pro bowler Excluding 2013 and 2020 He made the NFL 2010s all decade team As we heard has an NFL record 96 average receiving yards per game Which is ridiculous He's got a career high of 1,871 receiving yards He's got over 1,500 receiving yards three times in his career He's got over 1,400 receiving yards five times in his career And he's got over 1,000 receiving yards seven times in his career He's got a total of 12,896 receiving yards 60 receiving touchdowns And that's just regular season He's played a total of eight games over his career 61 receptions, 834 yards Once again averaging over 100 per game And six receiving touchdowns He's one of only six players in NFL history To record a single game with over 300 receiving yards He is the fastest in NFL history to 7,000 yards Fastest to 9,000, fastest to 10,000 as we heard Fastest to 11,000 and fastest to 12,000 With 125 games Look and I'll tell you what We'd be here all day if we tried to go through all of his records Whether they be Falcons franchise records Or better yet NFL records He's got a list of awards and honours as long as me arm And look at the end of the day We do only have one more thing to do I'm going to try and find this exact interview I believe that's a microphone I believe he's at a press conference of sorts Talking about his transition from the Falcons to the Titans So if we can find that, I'll be a happy man Okay, I don't mind this Here he is Boom Now we're not going to watch the whole thing But we're going to have to turn her up Most definitely It's definitely a team sport And what you can pass down To help guys, to coach guys To help them understand the game Not take the game the way I play the game But take little things from me You know what I'm saying Everybody has to be coachable But you have to make it your own And go out there and be the best version of yourself Now keep in mind that this man Right here Just a sec It's very valuable Me, Ryan and AJ Just going out there creating that chemistry I'll tell you what I'm not going to say it's the first time we've heard him speak But it's certainly the first time I remember hearing him speak Just, you know, your average Everyday guy, I'm not going to say he's got a voice Like Jonathan Taylor But he's got a nice voice And let's be honest We can't forget that he is 6'3", 100kg And runs a 40 yard dash in 4.39 seconds He scored 12,000 receiving yards in the league He's a veteran He's at the Titans, hopefully they play him Hopefully they feed him the ball Which I'm sure they will And hopefully he gets his 8th In his career 8 of 12, not bad at all Anyways guys, if you have enjoyed the video, please hit that like button Subscribe for more Head down into the description box below And check out today's video sponsor And with 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So I'll give a brief on what happened in the TOC call yesterday. We just gave a status update to the TOC call, highlighting the members that we have and the affiliations that have with the activities that we are doing in terms of, in terms of assessments and then the governance structure that we've created and stuff. So that's what happened yesterday, but it's too big for me to fill in Dan's shoe. So I'm just going to yield to Cormac. Hey, Justin, welcome. Do you want to take over and run the meeting? Justin isn't aligned up until next week. Okay. Okay, so I'd have to run this this time. All right, so let's do chicken, Justin. You seem to be first on my list anyway, but I seem to be picking up new. The temperature is, see, lost my activity. Okay. Is that, who is that? Is that Justin Capose in Santiago or Justin Cormac? Who do you want to go first? Justin Cormac seems to be the first on my list. I don't have much to report, I've been on holiday, but I'm looking forward to working with the piece we're going to do around the stuff with Santiago on supply chain security, which we're going to start this week, which I'm looking forward to. But apart from that, I don't have much to report. Perfect. The next step on my list is Garotir. I don't know how do you... Garotir. Garotir. Garotir. Oh, yeah, the R is part of my second name. So yeah, Garot, product sneak. This last week, I've actually mainly been on holiday, which has been very nice, but it didn't mean I did not do anything related to security of any strike. Seems like a fun holiday, but obviously it was missing order on security. Yeah, it was nice to miss out on security for a week. Back to things now. Joshua Locke. Yeah, I don't really have anything to share. I've just turned up this week because I'm interested in supply chain security and stuff. Perfect. More? Goldbug? Yeah, hi everyone. Nothing to share or report. I'm actually... I think it's the first or second time I'm joining you guys. Yeah, but happy to learn and see how can I contribute, you know, mostly around areas of identity and access, which is where I come from. Nice, nice, nice. Thanks, Densha. So we've got confirmation this week that we have our sessions at KubeCon. So in addition to secure today, we'll have the traditional sort of intro and deep dive sessions that we've been doing. And productive, you know, and many of you joined us following this session. So keep on plugging away at those. And I think we're going to try to take a slightly different tack this time around and actually really present different things in the intro and deep dive. So we'll work on that as it comes up to the event. Hi. Chris, welcome. I think that's me. Yeah, yeah. Okay. Mostly just continuing our work in Falco and getting it ready for our goal of proposing it to get moved to incubation around October. Once we hit our one year mark, we've brought in three different outside repositories toward to the GitHub org. And we're going to start putting together some demos of a couple of new tools and how to use Falco and Kubernetes and what the end to end user story is going to look like. So folks are interested in a demo either here or just to check it out online. We're happy to help. The one action item I had from last week was to follow up regarding some questions about us here in the SIG. Do you see is the one who has the more information on that? I don't think he could join the call today. So we're going to push that one off until next week. And hopefully we'll have more information for folks then. Perfect. Yeah. Seems like something that seems like that something that we should consider for a demo in this group. Some point. I would at least get an issue for that and see if we could slaughter at some point. Okay. If you create an issue, feel free to tag me. At Chris dash Nova. And yeah, we can put some stuff together. Awesome. Next up Roger. Roger K. Oh, if you're speaking, you're in mute. Yeah, just now talking, not just moving my lips. Yeah. It's, um, we're, we at Suza are heads down in a release now. We're doing our. Gold master candidate this week. Talk about language that persists from. You know, that's about as relevant as, um, dialing the phone is gold master, I think these days, but, um, you know, I think we have a big change in this release for us has been, uh, Incorporating psyllium and moving to, um, You know, strong communities network security and security policies. And so I've been spending a lot of time playing evangelist in house for that. And starting to do, uh, I think that we'll probably focus on, um, Kubernetes network security. Nice. Thank you. Martin. Hello for me. Uh, I don't have much to update. I'll continue my work on Claire. I already shared with you guys for what is the project about. So if you have any, it's a static analysis for containers for security vulnerabilities in them. But yeah. That's for me. And also I'm interested to, um, I, I, I shared this, uh, in, in an issue, uh, about the observer or slash internal role in the security assessment. So I will be interested to discuss this topic. Oh, perfect. Yeah. Um, just in capos and just in Kormack, as your go to person for that. Um, Jenkin, Jenkin. Joe. Do you want to go next? Yeah. Hi, that's me. Um, I'm the first time to this meeting. So I work at, um, Welcome. I work at by dance and we're a heavy, uh, I'm a nice user and adopting all of, uh, other CNC components such as baby's fire. So I work on production and the next as management. So I thought it'd be interesting, uh, helpful for me to join the meeting to understand the roadmap for the, the community security features for those kind of platforms. Perfect. Awesome. Um, yeah, if you, if you've not counted yourself as contributed, uh, there is GitHub as a friend page need me. Uh, so if you want to go add yourself, uh, then you can start contributing. Great. Thank you. Thank you. Hayden. Hey there. I haven't been doing anything specifically related to the working group, but I work for TTS and the federal government. Um, and I've been interested in hearing about the clutching stuff. What's TTS. Uh, so TTS is, uh, the technology transformation services. So we run a lot of government-wide programs. And, uh, search.gov and login.gov and cloud.gov, et cetera. And then do a lot of work sort of modernizing technology with other agencies that are used to work here. Yeah. Hi, Hayden. Hi. So reach out to me if you're interested in hearing more. Mark, Mark Manning. Yeah. Good to have you here. Mark, do you want to go next? Mark M. Yeah. Can you hear me now? Yep. Yep. Sorry. So, um, my name is Mark. I'm from a NCC group and I'm still trying to, uh, determine where to kind of fit in and contribute. Uh, some of my, uh, coworkers, um, I'm doing security related audits is usually our background. Um, so we've been listening to your direction to go into some of the, uh, threat modeling projects that I think you're currently working on. We're going to see if we contribute there. We're also doing some, uh, public fuzzing projects, uh, that we, uh, like some partnership in the next couple of weeks. Anyways, interested in that type of thing. Please reach out. He has a contributor. Uh, I'd suggest doing that. And while doing that, uh, we haven't followed that before, but, uh, that's a thing in terms of like, which, which area you're interested in. If you could note, note that and, uh, I'll be helpful for the rest of the team to tag you. So Christian Lassina. Hi there. Can you hear me? Okay. There we go. Uh, well, I'm just the, I'm filling in from my colleague here, Ray, who usually attends this meeting and, uh, actually I did attend a couple of, uh, meetings ago and the supply chain stuff actually caught my ear and raised a few years on my, at my, uh, at my companies, um, in my company's team. So I wanted to see if there were any updates on that. And otherwise I just wanted to keep Ray abreast of any updates in the SIG. Yep. Perfect. Yeah. Yeah. Thanks for joining. Thank you. Jonathan Midos. Hi, this is Jonathan Midos. Um, I put together a couple of my thoughts on the software supply chain and the SDL. See work. It's really important to us, um, and I sent it through and had a quick chat with Santiago. Uh, so really interested in the, in this piece of the working group for this weekend. Perfect. Thank you. Yeah. Santiago and tapos. Uh, hello. So I'm Santiago speaking through a, uh, Justin's computer. Um, Keep going. I'm trying to take camera. Yeah. So I'm mostly, uh, interested in, uh, having this meeting move, uh, forward with the software supply chain security, uh, project that we, uh, we've been talking about. Um, and yeah, I'm really excited to hear what everybody thinks. And I'm hoping we, uh, leave the meeting with a specific path forward. Probably we can merge the proposal and start getting things going. Okay. Great. And, uh, I guess my updates this week. So I had a chat with Sarah over the weekend. Thank you, Sarah for doing that about some of the OPA assessment. We've had some back and forth on that. Um, I found some folks that are actually real world supply chain folks that deal with manufacturing and stuff that are actually quite interested in using in total. So, um, we'll see how that works in their process. So, um, I guess that one of the lessons from that is, is that, uh, if we build something good from a security standpoint, um, though the real world and real people actually may want to apply it to whatever things they're doing in that case too. Um, we finally just got the in total logo. Um, I think finally approved like Chris A. So we're going to have a new logo up soon. Um, and, uh, our secure systems live is an official Debian package and unstable. And we should have in total and tough, uh, in there. If not at the end of this week, then, uh, before the next meeting. Perfect. Thank you. Brandon. Hi. Um, yeah. Yeah. So I've mostly been on vacation as well last week. So not too much update on my side. Thanks. Thank you. Ricardo. Yeah. Uh, Ricardo and I worked for rack and 10. Um, this is the first time I attended this meeting. Um, so. Welcome. There's a couple of items and agenda that Brandon actually put up and in contact with them. So, um, just want to hear about that. And, um, yeah, hopefully I can learn something and, you know, I'm glad to hear how I can contribute myself too. So. Thank you. Mark. Mark. Everybody. I'll keep it short. So nothing new to report. I usually represent things going on with this today. Um, so, um, I'm just, um, Um, I think it's a public document released on cyber resilience. It does occur to me. We might be kind of slacking in our group dealing with resilience issues. So maybe that's just the tip of the hat to that one. And, uh, reminder, I also work at a fintech. So we're interested in supply chain related stuff. And, uh, Justin, the people in the, in the MRP world where I came from decades ago, I've been working with the software and materials to that as a time phase, uh, configuration management tool that they use for that. So, and when you figure that out, sell it to Boeing. That's it for me. Perfect. Thank you. Christian. Christian. Hey, I'm Christian. I work for Google's cloud security team. Um, nothing big new to report. We have an ongoing discussion internally about a machine that's a little meta data format that captures some of the software supply chain stuff. So mostly to figure out if there's any, if you find a security problem, if you, that you can trace that to affected, uh, uh, you know, and end products, right? So, um, I've asked them to make that, bring that into shape that maybe we can, uh, bring that to this group at some point. So I'm figuring out how to do that. Fantastic. Yeah. Thank you. Um, Sarah. Hello. I've been traveling. Can you hear me? Yep. Yep. Yep. Um, catching up on some GitHub PR. So I meant to reach out to the triage group and I didn't, um, I added to an action item of this meeting. Um, if anybody's up for doing a final review of the meeting facilitator role, we came up with some preconditions. So particularly people who have helped that as scribes or played some kind of leadership role in group or newcomers to read, to review that. And, um, it's already been sort of in principle approved, but I added some kind of, uh, catch up process things. So it would love somebody's review on that. Also, um, caught up on the, uh, last action item from that's on our side from the in Toto assessment. Um, the discussion today is what we're doing is a SIG to, um, kind of look at supply chain attacks in general that Santiago is leading. And then we had this other action item that we were going to, we recommended to the CMCF that, um, perhaps they could identify a UX researcher to figure out, um, you know, kind of whether there are, um, speed bumps in adoption of in Toto, or if the project should do something, if the focus should be on companies adopting, or perhaps there's some dependency, um, that would be more fruitful for, um, in Toto to spend effort on. So, um, I added that to the notes. Um, feel free to click on links and, um, chime in or review or whatever. So. Oh, also I've been chatting with Jonathan Meadows about presenting next week, um, about, uh, the security, uh, the training he's got going on. So I think I'm going to pencil that in because we haven't gotten a, um, I don't know if we finalize that, but. I'm putting that into the planned meetings proposal. Perfect. Perfect. Perfect. Yeah. Is there should we get an issue for that? Or. Is that going to be tracked as a doc outside? Let me see if there's an issue for that. If not, I'll ask. Thank you for. Amy. It's having trouble coming off mute. Howdy. Um, I am here to be able to help. Questions around any of the security data stuff that's happening at San Diego and any other kind of CNC stuff running around. Hi. Thank you. Yeah. Yeah. So security is going to be fun. I mean, like a lot of heavy lifting is done by me, Emily. And, uh, most of Michael Ducey and, uh, Michael Ducey. Yeah. You may not be on the call. Yep. So might be useful after we finish the rounds, then might be useful for you to give a little bit of an update on that. So who else is there's a call in user two. Yeah. Yeah. And a six five zero six four, four, four eight. Two seven eight. It's Emily Fox. I'm on the call. Um, Sorry about that. So quick updates, uh, the cube con notifications went out. So, uh, we're encouraging everybody to post, um, in their very social media sites that they can recycle their accounts. So, um, we're encouraging everybody to post, um, and to send your message to the cube con and cloud native con talks to security day. So right now what we're trying to do is, um, drive up CFP submissions, make people aware of it. Um, there are still sponsorships available, which just means that we get a nicer security day. Um, the website is available. It has all the content talks about open spaces. Um, right now we're just trying to drive more CFP traffic so that there's more than just a couple to look at. We've got five that have been submitted eight that were in draft as of yesterday. So we're hoping to get a lot more. Um, if you know anybody in the security space that has a good idea or you've overheard them talking about a really good thing relevant to cloud native security, um, encourage them to submit it as a CFP, maybe do a co presentation as well. Um, that's all I have for updates. Um, I would encourage, uh, some of the CNC of security projects to, uh, Advertise about this in their forum, uh, in whatever form that they have, but I know we have spiffy, we have, uh, as well. So I think we should probably use those channels to advertise. So I can personally reach out to both of them or, um, and then, uh, give them an, uh, Ask of, uh, Promoting it within the community. Cool. So, um, question about, I mean, it's already on the agenda, but, um, regarding the six security, um, summit, uh, is that an independent event?  If you're a speaker of that event, can you pass to KubeCon? So I can speak to that right now. No, if that is an issue and you weren't accepted speaker, reach out to me. Okay. Cool. Thank you. Thanks Amy. Um, so I am. Uh, for this month, I think I'm going to try and facilitate. Sarah and Dan has been helping out facilitate this for quite some time. Um, I'm still kind of fit into their shoes and each of their shoes are, it's way bigger than mine. Uh, but I'm going to, uh, As a catch up and I say, uh, trying to get the agenda squared away for the next meeting. Um, for this meeting is there, uh, I'd like to keep this as an open agenda. Unless there is this prior agenda that's set already. Dan. Uh, if you can comment on it, that'll be useful. Good. Uh, so, uh, today we're, uh, uh, slighted to have, uh, discussion around, uh, split chain. Okay. Are you able to take that off today? Or, I know you're all, uh, uh, fighting over Justin's computer. No, uh, you're one. I've been relegated to the, to the floor. Yeah. So, uh, I'm often having the proposal, uh, and I think there was some hesitation by, uh, Justin Cormack about it. Um, I also made with the Jonathan. I think, uh, also the Fox, I think it's Emily Fox, uh, took a look at the, the meeting notes that we have prepared and, uh, my understanding is that, uh, timeline wise, we can probably start the proposal, uh, uh, as a repository in which we take the existing, in totals, blight chain compromises list and start enriching it with, uh, with content, uh, regarding certain types of compromises and then organically grow it into like a guide that people can, uh, actually refer to. And, uh, eventually try to answer questions about what's the best way for, uh, users to consult this, uh, resource and use it to tighten their security process, which I think that's the end goal. Um, I don't know if, uh, I misquoted you, Justin Cormack. I don't know if, uh, I don't know what you think. I mean, I think that sounds reasonable, I think. Um, I think it would be helpful if we're clear about who the audience for this is up front and, um, and what kind of, what kind of maintenance we're going to do over it, whether if this is a one-off thing, or whether we're going to maintain it on an ongoing basis and those kinds of practical things and how long, you know, we can just spend on what kind of, what, you know, an outline of what we actually want to produce. Right. So, uh, I feel we can elaborate a little bit on the document that already Jonathan and Emily helped me prepare. Uh, but the audience is, uh, as far as I understand this and the consensus is we are trying to help, uh, developers, cloud native application developers and software engineers to tighten their software supply chain, uh, in terms of security. So, uh, with that in mind, I think, uh, we pretty much want to like compile a list of recommendations and case studies and, uh, and probably the future, future like a scanning tools and things like this. Um, my, my hope is that we can probably start with something small that doesn't require a lot of time. And as we see whether it has some success or not, we, uh, we can increase the scope and the reach of the project. So Santiago, you mentioned there was a document that you started. I don't do. Is that something you want to share here or. I think there was some, um, some interesting discussion on the thread that was, um, because originally it was focused on this catalog. And then there was some discussion about kind of taking slightly different approaches. And I'm just kind of curious where you're at with that. Right. This is a thing from Mod. No, no. Well, the catalog is something we would be moving over because I think that will help us make foundation. Oh, it's like Google Doc. It's that Google Doc. Yeah. I posted it on the six security chat. On the channel. Sorry. Slack or the chat channels. Yeah. Uh, probably a reply to just the format. Because there. All right. So I'll post it both places. I'll post it. More obviously there. And I'll post it here. Thanks for having him caught up. And then everybody can. So it's editable by everybody. Just, uh, just a word of warning. But, uh, basically the idea that I was having is we moved the catalog and from the catalog, we derive like a list of priorities that we can write recommendations about. And, uh, the, the reason why I think the catalog is important, even if it's not completely comprehensive is that I think it drives a sense of reality and why, and the sense of urgency. And I think it will make people understand why, uh, software supply chain security is important and why they need to follow these practices. Uh, which I think it's, uh, it's part of the battle that we're having that a lot of people are a little bit skeptical about this problem. I think a big bit of this is, is raising people's awareness, actual issue. I think everyone in this call realizes it is an issue, but I wonder, and I get mixed feedback from others when I'm talking to people about supply chain security. And I think with that, that catalog that Santiago is proposing, and other examples of this issue, I think one outcome of this sort of mini project would be to focus on raising people's awareness. Then based upon that, we can look at providing best practice guidance, um, of how, um, you know, focusing on an audience of software engineers, um, and cloud native developers that can actually fix that issue or start to mitigate some of those concerns. But to me, my, my personal thing would be awareness and then an ability to, uh, fix that. Yeah. I think it's pretty good nowadays, uh, at least in, uh, developer circles. One of the problems is we get these big splashy headlines that say there was a supply chain compromise and then very little insight into what the compromise was, which is why the catalog will be so beneficial. Um, and a lot of the supply chain compromises we're seeing, uh, well, several of them end up being, you know, rudimentary user blunders. Uh, we use the same password everywhere and it got, uh, scraped and, um, so I've got nine Ruby gems that are published under my account or whatever, but then there are the problems which are, um, different and, uh, where it's easy to work on a technical solution beyond just, um, you know, telling everyone to use 2FA or whatever. So, um, I think the catalog, that's why I'm really interested in the catalogs, try and get a better understanding of, um, the variety of the attacks and the different attacks beyond just account compromise. I also really liked it. The idea of having the catalog segregated into group to categories, right? Different types of threats so that. Then also if it's, you know, if it's listed by, um, chronologically, then it sort of implies that we're trying to write down every single one there ever was, but cat, putting them in categories then makes it more feel like there are examples. And. I don't necessarily want to sign up for keeping it fresh with every single possible thing that happened, but, um, good examples of each category, I think would be a great goal to have. Yeah, not so yeah, I agree because then you can have examples of things that would mitigate that type of thing. Alongside the example and things like that as well. Right. I like that idea. Really, I was just coming through the doc. A quick one thing that I would suggest I'd also suggest that leave us a comment in the doc as well as to. Document non goals. I see like goals and activities are documented, but. Non goals are not. Right. Yeah. I think, I think that's, I think that's a valid point. And I think we can, uh, Like from the conversation, we can pretty much extrapolate, uh, certain, uh, But, uh, what I'm thinking is, uh, I feel there's a little bit of consensus on, well, we will take this catalog, put it into categories, then use these categories to drive recommendations for best practices. And, uh, And I feel that if, uh, if we are like on same boat in that department, we could probably move on to a more formal proposal. Um, In which, we actually have like a project that organically grows. Um, It feels that I'm brushing, but I'm also a little bit afraid of like, uh, circling a little bit too much on the issue. And then eventually not having a, an actual thing we can contribute out there. Well, um, JJ wasn't here when we talked this initially, but this is, this was a proposal. We all agreed to do it. So there's no, this isn't, this discussion is not a gate to any action. This is, a discussion with the group to help the initiative move forward by pulling on the wisdom of the, the team here. So, um, so yeah, so I think we're, um, you know, like, I think we're trying to refine and capture and help, but not, um, creating any sort of gate here. And I love the idea of coming up with a first iteration that's small and tight and effective, even if it doesn't do everything we possibly want. And then we can add additional issues for improvements we'd like to, um, implement. I mean, I think, yeah, if it's going to be for raising awareness and as well, I think making it short and readable so no more than, I know, six pages or something in that someone could circulate as a PDF say, or actually be really helpful in that, rather than something that's, it feels like a, a catalog and say something that you could, you could pass around to people and point at them and email them or whatever that they could just to understand the problem. Yeah. If you can encourage a community to maintain a catalog, you can use that as a data source for other things. People who are talking about these things don't have to keep talking about the same compromise that was made in 2000. 11. They can, you know, refer to something more recent in the same domain or. Yeah. Right. That's my hope with a organically growing a community. Like everybody can, I don't know, spend five minutes reading the news and then going like, Oh, well, I just found this software spliting compromise. And I think it relates to this other one. Why don't we keep it around as a reference? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It feels like this can help with wider, wider education efforts of the group as well. Like not strictly related to supply and compromise, but choosing, say in open source dependencies is obviously a problem from the fact that when Ruby gems had multiple compromises a couple of weeks ago, it turned out that like 1200 people were downloading a gem that had only existed for a couple of weeks.  Is, is motivation the main sticking point? I mean, or, or is it just like knowing what the, like the latter is, I guess, what I'm more interested in.  I feel that that's on scope. I feel that we probably would defer that a little bit for a second iteration, but some of them are like immediate, right? When we find a bunch of compromises of certain nature and we go, and we know that the solution is so we can pretty much point to the right place. I feel that the catalog will help us also prioritize which, which solutions we want to be more clear about and more upfront about integrating. So the question about the catalog that you're producing seems like a fatty, like moderate technical document that I'm assuming like developers and, and maybe about managers is security. Is it possible to also, I don't know whether this would mean scope, but if I kind of like executive level, something that like executives could use. I think it cut off a little bit on my side. Could you repeat? So I just wondering with the, like what level of technicality would the document be with the, is it going to be written very technical? Or is it going to be also accessible to business executives? What's the audience here? Just kind of getting into that. So my, my understanding, and I think we can also discuss this, but was that we probably want to target like developer slash DevOps and your audience. Those are the ones that can make the decisions. If you want to make like a separate track in which we can also give them resources to convince their project managers or so. Well, we can also do that, but I, I don't know how broad we want to be on this first situation.  So it sounded like from the way you were discussing it, Santiago, that the, like maybe the first page or the first half page would be the kind of thing that you could give executives, right? Like this is why, this is why me as a developer or, you know, my team should be spending a little time on this, right? Copy paste abstract. Um, and then the, then, then people can dig into the, the meat of it. Who are actually going to do the mitigations. Right. And then you can abstract maybe. Sorry, Jonathan, didn't hear you. Sorry, Dan. I think you started that sort of security and your engineering level and provide a reasonable amount of detail so that then someone can abstract it and provide it to the senior management. That would be a useful, useful place to go in. And then you've got enough detail and you can subsequently abstract it. Cause when I talked to a lot of people in different industries within the financial industry, it's at that level that, that the awareness isn't quite universally distributed. Um, and as long as you get that level of detail, then perhaps we could have one page or someone, even the other engineers could abstract that up. Right. And now I think this is a great opportunity. Uh, you know, if we get the core resource to, uh, you know, that level of utility, um, to, you know, delegate the extended activity to the CNCF, right?  That's a good point. Uh, I would also, uh, I mean, crowd sourcing is a, it's a great way. Uh, I'm, it might also be useful for us to think through, if it does have to go through a curation process, or if it's like, uh, what gets submitted is what gets seen. Uh, in other words, do we need is, is anyone concerned enough to raise their hands for like, I'll moderate this so that there is quality check in this or do we just trust in terms of posting? Cause I heard like someone say that, uh, it'll be a nice way. I think it's, it was San Diego, San Diego. So he was saying like, it'll be useful for somebody to come in and post, uh, the ones that they see online. Uh, so I would, yeah. What, what do you, what do you think? What are your thoughts on that? So, um, I, I don't know how explicitly implicit this is, but I, uh, my understanding is that I would be the one that will probably make sure that the project stays alive and that there's no like, uh, on, uh, unexpected changes that the community doesn't agree on. Uh, I don't mean to say, uh, I never want to take care of her life, but more of a, like a guy that's keeping an eye on it and making sure that everybody is on board with the direction that this is going. Perfect. Okay. Yeah. And I also just posted in the notes and in the chat, um, the, this sort of this action item proposal came out of, um, the noticing that there was that in Toto had collected this supply chain compromises list. So if people have enthusiasm to point out supply chain attacks that aren't on this list, right? So we could use this, you know, where it is, you know, as a, the plan was to use that as a starting point and, um, and then, uh, and then Santiago agreed to take the lead to curate it and drive the initiative forward for the benevolent dictator slash leader for the duration of the project, which is relatively short, but important and corralling a bunch of people who have enthusiastically agreed to help. Excellent. Excellent. Yeah. Thank you. Yeah. So the next steps on this is to, uh, I mean, like what said, I was saying, not to get on us and get to the next stage of getting a proposal out and we do have, I mean, I know I'm not on the laptop, but I think that is that we have laid out a process for, um, how to make this a project. Uh, so that's, that has already happened. Yeah. Okay. This is, it's, it's, it's, uh, the title still said proposal, but it was already labeled as a project. So like, I think that, um, and sorry if we, you know, our, our transfer chair didn't communicate that well, but, um, but since I was able to join today, um, Santiago, maybe you can first chime in and say if you need anything to move forward, it sounds like it's not. And then I think also a lot of people came to this meeting because they're curious or interested and, and we could also use some, a little bit of time for people to chime in with questions or things they want to contribute with effort. Yep. Yep. Sorry. Apologies for, uh, not being coordinated, but, uh, yeah, anybody who wants to chime in, uh, cool. That is a, otherwise we could talk a little bit about Emily and Amy are there anything that we want to bring up to the steam for Michael joined as well. Uh, anything that you want to talk. Yeah. There was one thing that came out of the CNCF meeting yesterday, which was that Liz said that she was going, what was going to ask all the six to provide some kind of gap analysis or project analysis of space and at some point fairly soon. And so there, there will be a requirement for us to do that at some point soon. That'd be a formal ask. Correct. I think it's still in the talks and discussions in terms of, yeah, but it sounded like it might happen fairly soon. Correct. Correct. Yeah. Uh, we need to follow through with Liz, Liz and Joe on that to see, uh, because there is a whole bunch of qualification criteria. What if there is overlap? How much of overlap is considered an okay overlap? Uh, kind of questions that may arise in terms of, uh, picking and choosing different of the gaps. So, uh, we've got some clarity. We're talking about CNCF project gaps. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. There was, there was talk about the system is in general that CNCF might help close. Yeah. Yeah. So can you clarify a little bit? Cause I, I unfortunately had to miss the meeting yesterday. Oh, okay. Okay. Yeah. Let me summarize that for the benefit of the entire team. So, uh, there is a thread that's going on. Uh, um, I think it's also an email thread anyways, but, uh, Liz brought up a point about, uh, not randomly accepting projects to CNCF, but being able to like, uh, we can choose projects or even to some extent go and look for projects that actually fill in gaps in the CNCF landscape, uh, what we considered as landscape, right? So, uh, that translates to security as well. Uh, in terms of like, what do we, what do we consider this landscape? Where are the gaps there? Are there any projects out there that fill the gap is something that was encouraged by Liz to, uh, and the TOC in general for us to consider? Um, it is still, uh, very much, uh, taught in progress. Uh, and, uh, I think that needs to be a little bit more, uh, definition or criteria in terms of like how we go about, uh, looking at it, but I think it's, it's a really good, uh, suggestion and an idea, um, it forces in both ways in terms of like, uh, getting a land, landscape that's understandable and applicable and useful for the end users and also be able to like, uh, relate to the projects within the scope of a landscape so that people can choose those projects for their, uh, users can choose those projects for their benefit. So, um, so that was, um, yeah, that was a context. Oh, thank you JJ for that summary and, um, I'm actually really excited to like hear that being, um, discussed at the TOC level because I think that a lot of the motivation, at least that I've heard individually from people to come to this group is because they see a gap, right? Or they see, you know, issues where, or speed bumps, um, you know, in the, in, or they're building things themselves that they wonder, why am I building this? There ought to be a thing. And, um, and why I'm really excited about this, um, supply chain initiative that Santiago is spearheading is, it was it precisely that kind of a gap that led to us wanting to do kind of a bottoms up approach on the supply chain thing because we agreed that we, even though that the, on some edges to in Toto and we're like, well, we're not sure that, you know, we totally respect that in Toto can't solve every single supply chain attack in the world. And then we're like, ooh, what happens when you get to the edge there? There are some things there aren't, you know, easy to, like, you know, there may not be easily referenceable solutions there. So, um, so we're, we've been doing that from kind of a bottoms up approach, um, through the security assessments work kind of early days there. And so, um, it's really, I think from my perspective, wonderful to hear the TOC talking about that as well. Absolutely. I think it is, uh, yeah, it's useful for the general sense of community and security specifically, like you pointed out. In that spirit, I think if anybody has any opinion, thoughts and suggestions, whether you want to raise it here, whether you want to raise it as an issue and some proposed things, um, not projects in general, but like things that are, uh, that we think are gaps, that will be useful to curate that information. Um, or if you want to reach out to me personally as well, that's fine too, like a new one of us. Um, I also want to point out, I think you mentioned you, maybe weren't on a computer, JJ, the, um, Aiden, who's, um, knew the group mentioned that he's worked, I don't know whether, um, I haven't had chance to look at it, but maybe Aiden could, had identified something that he's working on, that we could talk about, whether that's appropriate for this group, or whether it's just a, hey, I'm working on this if anybody's interested. Sounds good, yeah. Let's do that. We have eight more minutes. Aiden? Uh, yeah, sounds good. I'll be fast about it. So, we, I, I manage a number of large, well, a number of good organizations with large number repositories, like probably 1300, 1400, something like that. And for a lot of them, they are not maintained, as you can imagine. And so, I've been doing some work around automating like the archiving of repositories, um, with the goal that, uh, they're on github.com and so, uh, using the relative new github.com feature to, you know, automate pull requests for upgrading, like dependencies on, you know, would be JavaScript, Python, et cetera, projects, which are most languages we use. So, this is more application level concerns, but it's something I've been thinking about sort of at scale, and I've been working on an NPM package to do that automation. So, if you're interested, I put the link in, I think the agenda, I'll bring it down to the notes, but, you know, just reach out to me if you're interested in collaborating, using it, we're only using it right now, so I'd be interested in getting someone else to try it. Happy to answer questions or see the rest of the time. Perfect, perfect, yeah. Nope, uh, that was useful. Thank you so much for that, and, uh, yeah, please do put it in the notes, uh, so that it's useful for others to track. Um, and like I said, anybody who's joining and you would like to contribute, uh, let's just make sure you do a PR on the front page of CN Security GitHub, so that we'll be able to reach out to you for any help or when you start contributing, we'll know who's. Thank you. We also have an open pull request for a new member's page, so if you're a new member, you can check out that PR and chime in while it's in process, and soon ish, we'll have a new member's page. So it has some, like, kind of pointers and tips about where to start, you know, working with the working group. Thank you so much. Yeah, I mean, uh, if you have a few minutes and if Amy and, uh, Emily, uh, has anything to talk about or Michael do see join. So, uh, if you want to check in and then give a given update on, uh, CN Security Day, that'll be useful. Yeah, uh, I joined when Emily was actually given an update, so I'm not sure what she had actually said. Um, but sponsorship looks good. Uh, we need more CFP responses, but that's, um, we're trying to get an engine going around that and to get a program that's going to be better. Awesome. Next Friday, there was a question earlier in the chat around, uh, who should, people reach out to about sponsorship? Me. Open me over on Slack. Okay. Pretty easy to find. Just don't buy another diamond sponsorship. Hey, you know, if we can, the more the merrier, clearly. I know, but you're selling time on our agenda. No, I know that's, that's really the challenge. It's kind of like, oh, yikes. Um, and being able to actually make sure that we've got space for everybody is going to be fun.  And, uh, the channel dashboard isn't shared with everybody. Maybe a read only version if we could share it with everybody so that people can look up the status would be. I don't know if that's available.  Which dashboard are we talking about? Uh, the cello board. Oh, yeah. That was easy. I'll put it in the chat. Perfect. That's. That's awesome. Yeah. There it is. Cool. Uh, anything from. You Dan, Sarah, the ways we can, uh, Give back three minutes to the steam. I had a question. Yeah. Actually, I have, I talked to a couple of people. They asked, um, on their talks, uh, also in a coupon is that kind of a blocker for the six security day on the two separate things. They are separate things. Uh, so you could submit the same talk to. Both of you. Want to. What do you mean to separate things? I guess is kind of my thought that you have to be registered for coupon to go to any of the days you were on that. And then these are just add-ons for that day. Um, which cost a nominal fee. Just to help us get the room and everything like that. So you do have to be registered for coupon. Uh, if you got rejected to coupon, then I encourage you to submit your talk to the cloud native security day. Um, So what I, um, so what I've, um, people have asked me is, uh, if they have a talk that's accepted or for example, wait, let's start for coupon. Um, if that talk is included in coupon, does it mean that they can't present at six security day? I think it would happen. I would just submit and we will solve this problem as it comes up. I would love this problem. Well, I don't know that we want to encourage everyone with a security focused talk at cube con to submit it also to six security day. Well, people have already been notified. So people are either accepted, waitlisted or rejected at this point. Well, the question is if you were accepted, should you know, the question was if you were waitlisted. Yeah. Oh, I'm sorry. I'm sorry. If you're waitlisted and you're interested in possibly sending also speaking or speaking instead at this six security day, please go ahead and submit. And then we can make, we can work with the CNCF people to make that decision on the back end, whether we slotted into six security day or whether they slotted into the main agenda. Right. Is that acceptable Amy? As I come off, yes, that is absolutely accessible. Please, please submit early and often, basically. If you're waitlisted, please submit. And then you can work it out. If you've got any other questions, we have a channel over on Slack for six security events. You can also come to me and I'm happy to be able to help answer questions. Awesome. All right. Yep. That was useful. Thanks team. See you all next week. All right. Good to see you all. Thanks to you. Thanks all. Thank you.


Hello and welcome to the session. In this session we are going to discuss the following question and the question says that if the population of a town decreases 7% annually and the present population is 500,000, find its population after 2 years. We know that the compound interest formula is amount a equal to p into 1 plus r upon 100 raise to power n. This formula can be applied to any quantity that increases or decreases. The value of both factor after n years is 1 plus r upon 100 raise to power n. And the value of decay factor after n years is 1 minus r upon 100 raise to power n. With this key idea let us proceed with the solution. According to the question the population of a town is 500,000 and it decreases 7% annually where we have to find the population after 2 years. Let the present population be p. It is given to us as 500,000. The decrease rate of population r is equal to 7% annually. The time n is equal to 2 years. So as the population of a town is the quantity that may increase or decrease so we may apply the compound interest formula. In this case the population decreases so we will use the decay factor to calculate the population after 2 years. Therefore according to the formula the amount a will be equal to p into 1 minus r upon 100 raise to power n. This implies a is equal to 500,000 into 1 minus 7 upon 100 raise to power 2 where a is the population after 2 years. So this will be equal to 500,000 into 100 minus 7 upon 100 raise to power 2 which is equal to 500,000 into 93 upon 100 raise to power 2. Which can be written as 500,000 into 93 upon 100 into 93 upon 100. Now after cancelling all the zeros we will obtain 50 into 93 into 93 which is equal to 432,450. Hence the population of the town after 2 years is equal to 432,450 which is our answer. This completes our session. Hope you enjoyed the session.