Good morning. Let me just get set up here. I have a quick question for you. I'm switching companies. How do I do that with CNCF or lead this group in terms of affiliation? Basically, from my perspective, it just tell me and I'll switch it. I'll just move you in the spreadsheet and it's about it. Okay. Do you just send me an email or is that how? Yeah, email or Slack or just something. Okay. All right. I'll do that afterwards. Cool. Thank you. Yeah. And the interop stuff. We're doing demos at the end of the month. Is that right? We are hoping. Okay. I have next week off. So I'm actually going to take a few days and just try to plug it through and get something set up. I just wanted to double check my timing in terms of where things are going to be set up. Awesome. Let's see. Yeah. End of March. And then hopefully maybe I could come. I'll see how a demo or we're going to start in the March. So yeah, you're right. Okay. Perfect. That works out. Thank you. That'd be exciting. I know everybody has been wanting to find time to do stuff. It just nobody seems to be able to find it. So. Well, I have a week off. So it gives me some time to get caught up again. And it's fun. It's actually kind of fun in a lot of ways. So I missed doing it. Yeah, that'd be good. I apologize, David. I can't remember where do you work right now? I work for Splunk. And where are you going to? Are you allowed to say a company called Sentinel one? What did they do? And I sure have heard of them. Cyber security endpoint. Most of the work, most of the work is actually in serverless space. Oh, cool. But they do endpoint security, mostly cloud focused serverless, all their apps are serverless. So when I go there, one of the things that I don't start for another week and a half or so, that we'll end up doing is trying to roll over into doing the integration with this project. Excellent. That sounds cool. I'm hoping so. I've never actually done it because I've worked for IBM since I came out of college, but I can imagine the prospect of switching companies. It's like, it can actually go in both ways. It could be really, really exciting if you want to get the hell out of there, or it could be really, really scary. It's both. I've been at several different companies and each place I've been at. The culture, how they operate things is completely different. And you experienced both. To be honest, some cases it's like, wow, I love it. This is the best thing I've ever done. In other cases, it's you're like, what? You know, what did I miss? You know, I don't want to see how I missed this beforehand and it really depends. So, you know, it's and IBM, that's a long time, by the way. It is a very long time. Yes. I won't tell you exactly how many, but yes, it's been a while. All right. Let's see who's on. Eric, are you there? Eric. I think you haven't told with your mic. Yo, Tommy. Yo. Uh, Lucas. Here. Hello. And ginger. Sorry. Couldn't get my mute button fast enough. Hey, Eric, is your mic fixed yet? It should be. Yeah, there we go. Okay. Okay. Okay. In case I decided to try to make you a speak up on the call. I tried reading through your latest. Comment on that issue you opened, Eric. Last night. I unfortunately, I couldn't make it through at all. I had to say it for another day. That was a big comment. Maybe we don't have. Today. Well, actually, I didn't add it to the agenda, but if you want me to, I can, you know, No, I think you are a wise man. Well, I was also really, really tired. It was late at night. Don't, don't, don't read too much into that. All right. How are you there? Yep. All right. Hey, John. Thanks for making it. Yeah. The other Lucas. Hey, Lucas. Hey. Hey, Timur. Hello. Oh, hey, Clemens. I saw you pushing the stuff today. That was pretty exciting. Yes, I did. I went and dealt with the, with all of my very, very longstanding AIs. But which means I haven't done anything on the newer AIs, but such as life. Yeah. So I was preparing for the meeting yesterday. I went through and found some issues that I thought were. Worthy of discussion. Obviously, this was just my take on it. If anybody on the call has a different set of issues, they'd like to add the list. Just let me know. We can add them before or after in the middle. It doesn't matter where they go, but I don't want you guys to think that you're stuck talking about the ones that I thought were interesting. I just didn't want to have it be too short of a phone call. Lance, you're there. Yes. Hello, I'm here. Hey. So while we're waiting, I know Clemens felt nagged sufficiently since he was working on his stuff. Lance, any chance of you fixing up that one PR that you have outstanding. No, every week, I think, oh, I need to do that. To do it. So I'm writing it down in my little notebook right now. All right. Oh, in the notebook. Okay. All right. I did my job. I nagged. Okay. Hey, Manuel. Hi. Hey. All right. For a minute, then we'll get started. Somebody came flying in. Who was that? Oh, no. Daniel. Hello. Hello. Come on. Hi. Who's that? Oh, Christoph. Hey. Hey. All right. Three after when we go and get started. Just let you know, I know last week we talked about what to do about the whole branch get up situation. And I didn't hear any objections. To doing Clemens suggestion of just merging everything into 101 branch. As long as they're, you know, strictly typos type stuff. And Lance, I did see your comments and my, I interpreted your comments. Is basically saying. That's fine. Just let's make sure we document it. Did I interpret that correctly? Yeah, I think so. I mean, we just, I think there should just be some guidelines on what is minor and can just go in and what, what is it? Yeah. Okay. Okay. Well, I took from that to give myself another AI to open up a PR to update our. Process docket or whatever it is to make sure we include that. And I'll try to include in there the definition of, you know, what's worthy of being merchant that versus forcing us to go to 102. Okay. And then you guys can review that. The barring that I will later today go ahead and merge the PR that caused me to think about this, which is strictly a typographical type change. Okay. Community time anything from the community people want to bring up. All right. In that case, SDK call will be next week. This week we have interrupt call. I'll double check. I don't think they have anything on the agenda. So I suspect it's more just a nagging reminder to everybody. To work on their code. I guess we don't even have an agenda thing in here, but we will at least have like a one minute phone call after this one to see if there's anybody has any topics they'd like to bring up. So hang on for that if you're interested and just a little reminder of what we're going to do. Okay. And the end of March is when we're planning on starting the interrupt and we are already in March. So. The pressure is on all of us. Okay. And a team were offline reported. He has nothing to report for the workflow stuff. So we can keep going. Unless anybody has any questions on that. Okay. Coupe County EU. I got a note. I believe last week asking what we want to do. At Coupe County EU relative to office hours or booth or both. And I'm inclined to go more for office hours. Cause I'm not sure we have people have the free time to hang out at a booth for extended periods of time, but I wanted to ask the group what you guys thought. Any opinions at all? Okay. Any objection then with me going with just office hours. And then we can figure out the scheduling of that later. Not hearing objection. We'll go for that. Okay. Before we jump into the meat of the agenda, meaning PRs and issues, any other topic people want to bring up in that case? Let's get into it. All right. So this one technically affects the SDK folks more than anybody else. However, I did want to draw it to people's attention. In case somebody else is interested. Somebody ping me offline. And I said they were thinking about offering up code for another SDK. And of course that's great. But then I realized that we didn't really have anything in our governance stock to describe the process for adding new SDKs because it seemed reasonable to me that if the SDK maintainers have the authority to vote on when to archive a project, when to get rid of it or make changes, they should actually have a say in adding new ones as opposed to just blindly accepting everything that comes, comes our way. So I just added a new section here that basically says the maintainers get to vote on it. It's a one week vote. At least two thirds of them have to approve it, which is the same bar as all the other votes they have, and all SDK maintainers get to vote. Basically it's the same pattern as all the other votes they have. Okay. Is there an implication, sorry, that the list of initial maintainers on 918, that they become new maintainers? I have to admit this is something, I should have read this document a lot being an SDK maintainer, but I haven't. So it may be covered from 934 onwards already, but it feels like if a new SDK is typically because you've got some new folks coming in saying, hey, we've done this thing that we would like to contribute, then they should probably become new maintainers at the same time. Yeah, that was what I kind of implied by this. If you think there's a different wording here that makes it more clear, go ahead and suggest it. I don't mind changing that, but that's what I implied. Just checking that I'd interpreted it correctly. Yeah, but if you think it's unclear, I'll think about it offline and see if I can come up with a better wording, but that was my intent, yes. Okay. Now we don't, I mean, obviously you guys, if anybody on this call here has a problem with this, speak up now or comment on the issue. But like I said, this was mainly for the SDK folks to review and vote on, but just wanted to bring it to people's attention. Okay. Any other questions or comments or concerns about this? So Doug, since I brought this up to you, we were intending to not open source the library and then move it, but go direct to cloud events, you know, just for ease of making it open source and just doing it once. There's nothing here that implies that there's a review of the SDK. So I wanted to just beg that question to the group to see whether there is a need for that initial review of it before a vote is taken because you don't explicitly state that. That's true. And just to be clear, you're talking about, they might, you may want to have them review the code itself to see whether it's worthy. Well, again, I'm taking a step back from my selfish wanting to open source this SDK, you know, I have to think about, is that a requirement or is it not a requirement? Yeah. So I'll let others pick up, but my take on it is, I don't think it should be a requirement because technically someone can come here with no code at all and say, hey, I want to do a C1, right? And the SDK maintainers should be able to say yes or no. And if they say yes, it's perfectly acceptable for them to start with a clean slate and they're the only maintainers. So they should be able to add whatever they want at that point. So it seems weird that if you're coming with code, we're going to raise the bar and say, no, we're going to review your code first as opposed to somebody who has no code who gets a low bar of just, hey, that sounds like a good idea. Yeah, that's a good point. But that's just my idea. Anybody else want to chime in on Mark's point? Okay. In that case, obviously, like I said, just going to review it for anybody has a chance. I believe the voting period for this will end. Closes on Monday, 3.30 Eastern. So if you are a maintainer, please vote on this because we need at least two thirds of the people. I said, no, I'm sorry. We don't need two thirds of the maintainers to vote, but we do need at least hopefully more than just one person, which I think is Scott right now. So, okay. There are some questions in chat. Oh, and here we go. Anybody in SDK team want to try to answer those? I can speak, but I'm an SDK maintainer or even developer. So I, like my opinion doesn't matter. Scott. I would be astonished if there were currently any sort of organized release around, you know, lots of languages releasing at the same time. Until we've got something past 1.0, it's going to be hard to know, you know, what would be in a 1.1, what would be in a 2.0, they're going to, that will affect how releases need to happen. Because until we hit 1.0, it sort of didn't matter as much. So I think we'll probably need to define this more as we go along, but I'm unaware of anything organized at the moment. Yeah, I think the answer to the first one is no, we don't have it. Every SDK does their own thing. And dealing with things being behind, it depends on how what the behind means, right? Are they just slow? We don't have anything to talk about that. If they're basically appear to be dead, we do have a process in this SDK governance talk that talks about archiving projects or projects that become stale and shifting maintainers to someone else if someone wants to take it over that kind of stuff. We do have some governance around that, but if they're just slow, we don't have anything for that. Okay. I was going to say they're, you know, it's best effort. It's all open source. It's not like these are products. This is all, you know, on people's own time or managing their company time on open source pieces. So it's best effort. All right. Anything else about the SDK change? All right. Moving forward. Slinky, are you on? No, he's not. I did notice that there's a whole bunch of activity going on there. And in fact, I know there was some discussions even today. So I suspect it's not ready to merge. But without slinking on, I can't know for sure. But does anybody have any comments or questions on here? Um, could I think. If by next Thursday, if the amount of changes that have gone in, I've trick had slowed down to a very slow trickle or even stopped. I'm inclined to merge it and say that's the first rough draft. And then we can iterate on it going forward. Does anybody see any concern with that as a high level plan? That seems reasonable. Okay. Thank you. Yeah, I think that's a good question. Yeah. I think it's fine. I think it's fine. So it's nothing is fine. Since nothing is final until we declare. A version. I think it's okay. Yeah. My bar on this kind of thing is, is it more right than wrong? So. Yeah. And this is just an extension. Well, technically an extension and optional thing. Yeah. Anybody else want to chime in? Okay. In that case. Let's move on then. I don't know what this one was. Oh, yes. Was this Cedric. So here I'll let you, let you read the question. Okay. So there was a little bit of discussion about this. And I believe you don't have time to read all of it here, but I believe most people seem to be leaning towards saying. That the answer is to use the type field. And not the schema field. I wanted, but I wanted to get the opinion of the group here. In terms of whether that's the right solution or not. Because I'm sorry, go ahead. A lot of the comments there are mine. And I'm somewhat nervous that I may have biased the conversation too much. But my thinking is that the schema URL is something that you consume. Whereas the type is something you're likely to use when you're subscribing. So you could say, I want to subscribe to V1 or subscribe to V2. But you, you're unlikely to say, I want to subscribe to this schema. So if you're going to support both V1 and V2 at the same time, it makes sense for that to be in the type so that the consumer can choose which version they get. Whereas if you're just forcing everyone to keep up with you, then maybe schema URL makes more sense. Does that chime with how other people think about things? I think that's actually very much aligned with that comment I made at the bottom there, right? Because I think it's something similar where I said, you know, basically if you want to support V1 and V2, then I agree with you. The person should choose which type they want to get. But that's not to say you couldn't always keep a static type and change your schema because at that, because you're going to force everybody to change over at that exact moment in time. You're not supporting multiple versions. Yeah. I think from a semantics versioning model, I think if you have a breaking change in the data, then you need to have a way to distinguish that at the subscription level. But if you're just evolving, like if you're starting to add more and more information to the payload without breaking the semantics of what you're delivering, then sticking with the existing version of the event type may make sense. So I think if you really have a new payload where you just make changes, then indicating knowledge about wanting that new payload with the type that will make sense. So I think it's both. Yeah. I guess the real question for me is, and this is good, it sounds like we're all kind of heading the same general direction. The question is, does anybody think we need to provide guidance in the primer? Or do you think it's obvious that we don't need to do it? And Cedric is just more of a one-off question kind of a thing. I personally, I would say guidance would be useful. If we provide guidance, we're likely to get roughly consistent behavior across many providers. If we don't, I suspect it will be like rest URLs and things where there are as many different versioning schemes as there are providers. Yeah. Guidance never hurts. Well, and it's not normative. And so therefore everybody can have their own variations of it, but sending most people into a direction who have no concept of what they should do here, that certainly makes sense. Yeah, okay. I agree. I just want to make sure I wasn't alone in that. I think that's the spirit of no good digos on punish. John, I'm wondering since you did speak up on this one a lot, would you be willing to take a pass at trying to create a PR for the primary? I will take an action item to try to do it. Like probably everyone else on the school, I have many, many things on, but not least I've got ECMA C sharp stuff. Standardization is fun. I will see what I can do. Yeah. Thank you very much. I appreciate that. I'm taking some notes here. All right. Cool. Thank you very much for that. All right. Good discussion. Okay. This one. I'll let everybody read the question. And there were two comments here. John, you spoke up on this one as well. Your comment made sense to me, but I did ping Jim offline asking him to double check since he was the main author of the latest version of the proto spec. Does everybody else concur that basically I think you're saying John, no change needed. Yes, indeed. I'm actually hoping to implement a proto buff event formata in the C sharp SDK as a separate package fairly soon, mostly to sort of prove that our event formata abstraction is appropriate. So I have looked at the proto quite recently and thought, yeah, that all makes sense. Okay. Cool. Anybody disagree with John there that everything's okay as is. Okay. In that case, I will go ahead and close that one later. I don't need to do it now. Oops. Can't type. All right. Cool. Thank you. All right, John, would you like to introduce this one? You've been busy. Yes. Sorry. I didn't intend to make this meeting all about me. That's okay. It's all good. So I've been busily at work on a new major version of the C sharp SDK. And so kind of revisiting quite a lot of the decisions and implementation bits. And part of that is HTTP headers. And so I've been looking at the spec and trying to work out if I'm going to be absolutely rigorous. I want to be spot on with the spec. And I found I, I couldn't understand it clearly enough to know what to expect. So I guess the simplest question is about halfway down that comment. If you've got an attribute value of that XYZ colon ABC, what would that look like in an HTTP header? Should the colons and slashes be escaped or not? You know, if they were being deemed as URIs, then maybe the first colon wouldn't be and other ones might be. I'm not entirely sure. We have a mismatch because the URI RFC 3986 talks about this bit of the URI needs encoding. This bit doesn't. We don't have URIs, not always at least. So we need to work out. I would love it if we could work out something that would be backwardly compatible. And that's going to be hard. But also really, really clear with good conformance test testing, if you have an attribute value of X, it should end up in an encoded form of Y. And I'm okay for that to sort of then leave RFC 7230, which I also find hard to understand, but that's the RFC's problem, not ours. So that everyone can hopefully do the same thing, encode the same way, decode the same way. Yeah. Do they have any questions about the issue that he's raising first? Yeah. So what are the attribute values that you're showing here? What attribute would that be in? What is that typed? Well, so this would be presumably a string attribute. Doug, if you follow the HTTP, yeah, follow that link and it'll be a bit clearer because it says the HTTP value is constructed from the respective attribute types, canonical string representation. So you convert to a string first. Yeah. You do encoding. So I would hope that how you encode wouldn't depend on the attribute type. But a URI is, so we have a URI type or URI reference type. And I think we use that specifically for cases where we knew that there would be a URI there and that it needs to have URI treatment. But that doesn't have URI treatment particularly in terms of encoding it as a header. If we can find something that says I will take arbitrary string that doesn't have control characters, bad surrogate pairs, et cetera and encode this appropriately as a header in a way that's reversible and ideally doesn't make URIs look completely weird. It doesn't start encoding slashes and colons. Then we don't need to give special, well, if you're encoding an HTTP header and the original attribute was a string, then you do X. If it used to be a URI, then you do Y. And it would be particularly weird. Suppose you had, is subject to string? I think it is. If you had to, suppose someone decided to make the source and subject the same string. So one is URI, one is just a string. If those came out differently in headers, I would personally think that would be a bit odd. Okay. I was just checking to see which things are strings. I think type is probably the most common string aside from ID. So let's focus on type, since type can basically be anything you want. And extension attributes come here as well. So any questions for us just about the concept of what we're focusing on before we start talking about possible next steps? Okay. I'm going to say Clemens' grunt is no. Okay. So John, are you proposing that we scrap the RFC 3986 encoding rules and create our own? Yes. Which makes me as nervous as it probably makes everyone else on the call. I want to come up with something that is better defined than you, them referring to that, but still backwardly compatible with what people have been doing already, ideally. Okay. Yeah, I mean the grunt, so let's go back to the HTTP protocol binding spec. So the motivation is in the second paragraph there. I completely agree that we need to do encoding and I'm happy enough with percent encoding and thrilled that we've got this string. I'm not sure whether we are specifically saying percent encoding via UTF-8, but let's assume that we are doing that. Then I completely agree with all of that. It's not clear to me when trying to write code for I've got this string that can contain any arbitrary, nearly any arbitrary unicode content, what do I encode? This section three was not obvious to me what the code that I should write should look like and trying to use various built-in library functions such as URL encoding. If I said encode the data, it did one wrong thing. If I said encode the whole thing, it did something else wrong and fundamentally because what we're looking at isn't necessarily a URI. So the URIs are a special case where we care about the URI so being a URI when you have it in the HDP header, arguably. Jennifer made a comment in the chat. You should always feel entitled to speak up. Jennifer, you want to chime in verbally? I was looking for the unmute. I'm not saying just completely create our own but maybe it's just forking and being more clear about it. Does that have the same feels as completely creating our own rules? Yeah. I think that is better than creating completely new rules, certainly. And maybe it is because we do percent encoding but we're not doing that for the URI character set. Is it URI character set or is it the printable U.S. ASCII character set? Yes, maybe that. We know that we do need to encode percent because otherwise we can't. We decided the only things we need to encode are percent and anything non-ASCII. That would be a perfectly good starting point. I wonder how that fits in with existing implementations. If things are expecting other characters to be encoded and this was where my ignorance meant that I wasn't proposing anything specific. That doesn't sound like what you just said sounds unreasonable. It doesn't sound like an earth-shaking new invention. I'm wondering whether anybody has somewhere already invented that before. It might be interesting to go and hunt around in the relevance related to our seas when there's a coding like that. Regardless of that I'm more interested in John's other comment about current implementations and whether if we change something it's going to break something. Did any of you guys notice this paragraph? Who does any encoding at all? Or was John just being incredibly anal? It was when I was fixing things that it came. We do have tests for non-ASCII characters in attributes. It was when I started encoding everything with some URL encoding at which point those tests still passed but the tests that expected URIs to stay unchanged failed. I want to focus on Slinky and Scott's comment in the chat. Can you elaborate on what you mean by it just works or it handles it? Does that mean it does encoding or it doesn't seem to be bothered by non-ASCII characters? We don't care. It just works. When you receive it on the other side you see the same thing you said. Do you know what the library does with non-printable characters? I honestly don't. I don't know the internals of the library but at least with all the SDKs I worked with I never found such a problem because the library handles all of this. Even in Rust strings are the same. I guess this is all already encoded as it should by default. Would somebody we want to check and test out a couple of the SDKs to see what they do if you try to give it a non-printable character and see what it does? Does it skip it? Does it encode it? That sort of thing. Typically if a header has multiple values they are comma separated which means if you want to have a single value that contains a comma you need to put double quotes around it and stuff. That's where I think a conformance test of how does a value of space X space get and does it get correctly decoded? What if you have a comma in there as well as unicode? I did a quick test just for fun, just curl and I gave it a header with the value of comma, comma, comma it just passes it through. That could mean the curl is too low level and it's not going to try to encode it. At least from a curl perspective it doesn't touch it. It's not going to try to decode the values. Just another data point. For the Ruby SDK we actually did have to implement this explicitly and I do remember going through the process of puzzling out what these paragraphs mean and going through several iterations of not understanding that before. I think it's quote-unquote correct or at least reasonable now but it's been a little while since I remember it being confusing. So what did you do with things like colon? So yes, I believe I'm looking at my code right now I believe it was percent and printable ASCII or passing through printable ASCII that's not percent and percent encoding the rest. So you did encode the colon? Yes, colon. What's the ASCII code for colon? I don't know. I don't know. I'm not sure what the ASCII code is for that either. But other differences because of the whole multiple values thing. I I I'm not I don't think we're handling colon or commas any differently from any other type. I think it's also entirely feasible that HTTP libraries may handle commas and quoted strings and things for us but I don't think they will handle the percent encoding because as far as I'm aware that's not part of HTTP. Yeah. So comma I think is 44 decimal that helps you. Okay. So I'm curious about the next steps here. It sounds like we have at least one SDK that actually did try to follow these rules. So I'd be curious to know what the other ones do. However, I think it also may be worthwhile to get a proposal for what this I guess is what Jennifer said is, you know, forking and clarifying a proposal would look like, right? The general idea of encode percent and anything nonusky then reluctant as I am to take on a second action item. I can work with Daniel and we can check the line and our understanding of the RFC and see. It may be that actually an explanatory paragraph explaining how to read RFC 7233 in this case maybe that's all that's required. It might also be worth saying that when decoding HTTP headers implementations should probably percent decode everything and expect that some implementations may encode more than they need to. Yeah. Yeah, I think my headline that way too. Okay, so I think so the actions here are thank you Scott. Talk with Daniel. Hi Daniel. I'm very happy to get together with him and talk this through. So Scott is saying that he can send headers with emojis in Go. That is right, you will send headers that end up being bits on the wire that will then also decode writes if you're lucky on the other side but you're still violating the protocol rules.  Yeah, I mean there's a, it's seven bit ASCII that's what's allowed in the headers and the fact that we are putting eight bit ASCII into those headers practically is still not making it valid. I am mistaken. I was making sure that our UTF-8 encoding for the character set for data encoding for the payload worked out. So we're not putting an emoji in the header. It would be a fun test though, let's see what happens. That's the tragic with that rule. I'm pretty sure that these days you can literally go and send HTTP headers that have emojis and it will work on most stacks because people just don't think about the constraints or at least in some of those stacks. So maybe that seven bit ASCII rule is something that is just loosely enforced and that's why some of that stuff just works. I don't think it's going to work. I don't think it's going to work. I don't think it's going to work out. So anything from the upper section of ASCII then or at the NC strings that will largely just work but it's still illegal. I believe having recently been reading this I believe it's a little weird. I think we've got better at writing RFCs than we were back then. Yeah, that's true. I believe the net of this is John and Daniel go off and talk and hopefully come back with a proposal or something. Does that sound fair? Any other comments about this one then before we move on? Just thank you for indulging me. As long as the data point for the node we don't do any real parsing at all. We'll throw if it's not a string or something that can be converted to JSON. Good to know. Thank you. Any other comments? John, never apologize for doing work. It's all good. Okay, this one I thought was interesting. And Jim's not even here. I'll let everybody read it. So this one and this one I think are related. That's why I put them both in the agenda. What should a client do if an entry vanishes from the discovery get response? Okay. And obviously Jim's question is broader than that. But I think the question I had for the group here is do we want to go beyond saying what happens when something vanishes? But I'm going to actually propose that we interpret a vanish from a get meaning it's been deleted. So there is no notion of deprecation or anything like that. Or do we want to go as far as what Jim is proposing, which is actually have real life cycle type values associated with the things. So is it Boolean or multi steps in terms of removing stuff? I guess it's the question. I want to open that up for discussion. No one has any opinion? Okay, I'll put one out there. I'm inclined to close Jim's while it's an interesting thing. I think it adds complication to the spec. I would rather just have it vanish if it gets deleted. So it's either they are not there. And keep it simple. You came off mute. Oh, okay. Yeah, I agree with you. And to elaborate a little more. I think part of the reason I think that is because I think the many you start getting into this stuff, you're going to get into really complicated things like, okay, well, how long does that be retired for or deprecated for? And then you have to have time stamps and all this other stuff. And it just, it just seems like it's more told than it's worth. And I think actually, you could also add this stuff later, because I think until something actually vanishes, the fact that you may have a state or something like that, that we add later on still implies that it's there. So you could technically use it. It's just, it's just not recommended. I think is the way I would interpret it. So it's that I don't think it'd be backwards compatible to add. Some sort of deprecation state later if you wanted to. But anyway, class your hands up. Yeah, actually, I agree too. I think it's, there will be a lot of variations. What this very abstract concept of a service maps to in the specific environments. And so this life cycle will also most likely be handled differently in those environments that would make it really hard to handle it here. Okay. Anybody else want to chime in? So I, this may be totally weird to think about, but I. What if it doesn't. What if it's an accident that it doesn't exist? So what if you do a follow up get, and then it is there. So what, what is that handled separately? I kind of like that there's a state of the service. So if there's an explicit. Sort of this is going away versus it's. It's like, it just disappeared. Your first question is interesting to me because I think that my phone is the same category as, well, what happens if someone fat fingered, you know, a URL or one of the other values. And maybe an hour later, they realized it until they changed the back. It's me, it's the same kind of thing there. It's just. You sent bad data. You know, and I'm not sure we necessarily need to go out of our way to protect, to babysit people. Right. So if someone accidentally deletes a service and then, oh, realized they made a mistake and resurrects it an hour later. They may have hurt their clients, but that's what they did. Right. They, they changed the data. I don't know. I mean, Jennifer, is that, is that too simplistic? I don't know. I, that might, that might, that might be sufficient to say it, but I feel like I, there's always these cases. There's always these cases that are like on the edges of like, well, it's not supposed to do that. And so then I try to think of like, well, it's less about protecting us from making mistakes, but more like being explicit about. How things should work in the case of. Uncertainty.  So maybe. I don't know.  And it's just explicit. So I like the idea of there's a life cycle of a service explicitly. So let's, let's poke on that a little. How far would you want to take this? Meaning. I mean, are you proposing that people are not allowed to just make it vanish and delete it immediately? Are they therefore required to go through a deprecation stage? Yeah, I think that's that, that's the, that, that you're right. That is kind of what I'm saying. I think that's a good way to put it. A little bit like, do you just delete a page from the internet or do you put a redirect in place to say, oh, well, I know where you meant to go. I'm going to be helpful. We don't necessarily need to require stuff in order to say, it would be a nice idea and to provide some part of the protocol to be able to say, please don't come here again, or it's gone over there or whatever. Clemens, did you want to say something? You came off mute. Yeah, that was not a completely formed thought when I was unmuted.  I'm just obviously just my two cents, but I'm less inclined to force a deprecated state or into enforce a state system, but I can be sold on the idea of including an optional attribute that has something, Samantha's long lines of, by the way, this is going to be removed at this date. And people can optionally set it if they want to give a warning to people, but that's, that's not quite the same thing as an entire life cycle to me. Does that make any sense? I, I like, I have been convinced now having heard John's sort of way of thinking of it of like, oh yeah, like we could make it an optional thing. And then it's more of something that you could, we could have a recommended practice and then it makes it more, like people can be more explicit or not. So I, I feel like that's where I'm at right now in terms of thinking about it. Sounds great. Yeah, but we elaborate a little when you say optional, what's optional, the entire life cycle or just one attribute that says something. So what, what are the, an optional state? Like if you have the ability to have this optional state where you can add sort of the context that then people, you can for your own service that you're defining, you are able to set that and be explicit about it. And if we have some way, like, I keep thinking of like, here's the spec and then here's the implementation and like, or sample implementation and recommendation that, that feels like it's a space where people can leverage different styles, just like not some people just delete pages and so providing redirects. That's why I really like John's way of speaking about it. Okay. I'm so sorry, John. He was shocked that you actually listened to him. Okay. Anybody else want to chime in? Okay. John Mitchell. Yeah. So I guess.  I actually like where you were headed with your comment, Doug. The fact that it's, you can add extra information into some kind of attribute to give people a heads up that they can look at. Cause the, the, the problem with making this too explicit is.  Right. So the, the code pass for people who actually care about. The higher quality of service implementations, giving them a heads up and managing, you know, deprecation periods and all those cool things. Like, and, and trying to make that completely. Discoverable automatically, rather than out of band human things. You still have to deal with those cases where it just goes away. Right. So the extra complexity. In band. It doesn't actually buy much in terms of. In practice reality dealing with failure. Or at least all of the failure. That makes sense. Jennifer, any reaction to that? It is the, is the culture of not responding. Verbally. Is that, is that okay to be like, ah, that's interesting. Is that. I just want to give you an opportunity to respond. If you had any feedback or want to get into a dialogue about it. That's it. I appreciate it. There's a lot to think about here. Thank you. I mean, I, I'll tell you my personal bias. When I design protocols like this is like, I. It's all about failure modes to me and life cycles. Like, so all of my systems are based on. You know, some form of finite state machines and those kinds of things. So I totally, I totally agree with the, the, the intent that you're talking about. It's just in practice. If, if the, if the hardest failure modes are the ones where it's, it's fluttering and transient. Like I can give all sorts of great examples at, you know, lower network levels where we're literally people take weeks to try and discover some of these problems because they, they didn't make their system resilient. So I agree. I, it just doesn't. If the states don't cover it anyway, there's not much for us to do. Okay. So say, well, let me do this. So I'm not sensing a, a broad consensus yet. And as Jennifer said, she wants to think about it. I think other people need to think about it as well. So there's no decision on here. We'll save this again for next week. And maybe people will do some more thinking about it. But we did have some interesting options mentioned. So let's just pull off on, on making a decision on either this one or the next one. Cause I think. They're both very much related. I think that's a good idea. I think that's a good idea. I think that's a good decision on either this one or the next one. Cause I think they're both very much related. So let's hold off on that. But think about it during the week.  Cause a lot of times people in the group get very quiet on these calls. So I just get excited at somebody chooses to speak up. So you did. And I jumped on it. So I encourage it. So. I didn't mind to pick on you. No, no, no, I did not, I did not perceive it as picking at all. I was just like, I was like, oh, okay. I'm thinking. But I do want to say it like, I'm relatively new to this particular community of folks. I didn't realize it existed until recently. And I just wanted to say it like, it's so fabulous. I love. I've been here, I guess, like three weeks or something. And like the, the style of how you all run the meeting. And it's so collaborative. I really think it's great. So thank you. We got, we got some good folks here. So it's all been good. All right. In that case, anything else on these two topics? As I said, Thank you, Scott.  So anything else on these two topics, we move forward. Okay. Oh, Slinky, since you're on the call now, was there anything you wanted to mention about the SQL query expression? Since you weren't here, we didn't really talk much about it other than to say that. I noticed there was some activity today going on. So I thought I might be premature to try to merge it, but that I'm hoping by next week we might be able to merge it because the amount of traffic will slow down and that it's a, it's probably good enough as a first rough draft to go in, but I wanted to give you an opportunity to speak to it. If you wanted to. No, I'm fine with it. Then we could read some comment from a Lino that I want to fix. But that's it. Okay. Yeah, people please resolve conversations. So I know what that's I need to do. Okay. Okay, hold on a minute. I realize I jumped the gun on these notes. Okay. Cool. All right. Are there any other. Of these PRs that we need to talk about slinky, you may have been doing some changes. I mean, I'm sorry, those Clemens. I think Clemens made some changes recently today. Obviously it's too certain to merge, but please people take a look at that when you get a chance, because I think they're going to make some changes recently. All right. Any other topics people want to bring up? All right. In that case, in the five minutes remaining, we'll do Scott's favorite thing. Clemens already talked. Matt, are you there? Yep. All right. And Vlad. I'm here. Hey, Doug. Hey, Vlad and Grant. I'm here. All right. Cool. All right. Did I miss anybody for a roll call? I think I got everybody. All right. In that case, we are done. Actually, there we go. Does anybody have any topic for the discovery interrupt call? Otherwise we'll just say we're done for the day completely. Anybody want to bring anything up? All right. Not hearing anything. All right. Get back an hour or the other day. All right. Thanks everybody for calling or for joining in. It's been a good, good call. Talk to you next week. Thanks, Doug. Okay. Thanks everybody. Cheers. Thank you.


The horse with the speed of light, a cloud of dust, and a ha-hey-hay-oh silver! The Lone Ranger! Before this exciting adventure, a word from our sponsor. General Mills, makers of Cheerios, the ready-to-eat oat cereal that gives you go-power, and Wheaties, the breakfast of champions, present by special recording, The Lone Ranger! All over the country, in every direction, how you, how you do it is a question, and here's what the happy people have to say. Wheaties, then we do, do, do an okayful cable. Yup, take Mickey Mantle, born in Oklahoma. Star with the New York Yankees. From out west, we're a man's a man. And what a man is Mantle? Say, Mickey's been eating Wheaties for years. Now listen, here's another champion with plenty of zing in his swing. Zing, that's a service ace for champion Poncha Gonzalez, a native Californian. He hits them hard, he makes them swish, and in the morning enjoys his dish of Wheaties. Sure, lip smack and taste ticklin' rib-stickin' good, and there's a whole kernel of wheat in every Wheaties' flake. Keep falling through your Wheaties, and you, we do, do, do an okayful cable. With his faithful Indian companion, Tonto, the daring and resourceful mask rider of the plains led the fight for law and order in the early western United States. Nowhere in the pages of history can one find a greater champion of justice. Return with us now to those thrilling days of yesteryear. From out of the past come the thundering hoofbeats of the great horse Silver. The lone ranger rides again. Come on Silver, what's going on? I'm Silver! The little mission was supported by the people in San Jose. Because of their generosity, the Padre was able to give food, clothing, and medicine to the Indians in the valley, and the pioneers who struck hard luck in the hills. The mission bells carried the word that any deserving human might find help within the mission walls. And then one day the bells went silent. The lone ranger and Tonto approaching San Jose learned that the mission bells had not sounded for nearly two years. During that time there had been a flood and then a drought. There was hunger and poverty in the hills and valleys surrounding the town.  Am I right? I wonder why the mission is no longer able to help. Well, maybe people in town no longer help mission. But why? Maybe in town we learn. Yes, I intend to. I'll call on the Padre. You wear mats, Kimosami? No, the San Jose Padre doesn't know us.  Come on, Silver! After disguising himself as a prospector, the lone ranger left Tonto in a camp and went into town alone. He went directly to the mission and rode into the patio where the Padre was talking to the sheriff. He dismounted and greeted the Padre. Hello, Padre. Buenos dias, senor. Then the Padre said... Sheriff, senor, his name is Dan Hawkins. I'm glad to know you, sheriff. I didn't get you a name, stranger. Sheriff, here at the mission we do not ask the name of the stranger who comes to visit. Sorry, Padre, I forget that. I was overly curious about this man. He talks a lot differently, looks. People say that they haven't heard your bells for nearly two years, Padre. I cannot ring the bells when I have no help but the ones in need. There's syndicates to blame for that. The syndicate? Yeah. That's the outfit that swindled Marty Jesse, about his gold mine. The ordinary Eastern money grabbers. When Marty owned the Esmeralda mine, he gave a big chunk of his profits to this mission. And so did all the men who worked for him. Then along came the syndicate. They stole the mine from Marty. They fired his men, brought him Easterners to take their places. Senor, I was about to visit, senor, Jesse, when the sheriff came. I am already late. I must go, but I'll return soon. Hasta la vista, Padre. Hasta la vista, Padre. You know, that's a fine horse you ride, mister. Looks like he could cover lots of ground. He has traveled a lot, eh? Quite a bet. You ever hear of a man called the Midnight Rider? I've seen reward notices. He's wanted for arms robbery, isn't he? Yep. He's a man about your size, maybe a little younger. That's interesting, eh? It's mighty fancy gear your horse is wearing. Is the Trimman Solid Silver? Yes. Are you telling the name of your horse? I call him Silver. Silver, huh? You think I might be the Midnight Rider? I know you're not. I have other ideas as to who you are. Oh? You always say I'm a... I'm gonna tell you something I don't tell the many people. I know the name of the Midnight Rider. He's Bob Jessup. Any relation to the man who lost the Esmeralda mine? Yep. Bob's the son of Marty Jessup. Sheriff, why are you confiding in me? Well, you look like a gent who'd be interested in what I have to say. I'll tell you why I'm sure Bob is the Midnight Rider. I'd like to hear that. He and my daughter were in my office. I'll never forget the look on Bob's face. Jim Curry stole Dad's gold mine. That's what it amounts to. He stole it, and I'll owe I helped him. There's nothing you can do about it, Bob. Yes, there is, Mary. If a crook gets rich while an honest man goes broke, then I'll turn crook. Bob left my office and left town. That was the last I saw him. Sure. What about the Midnight Rider? He first appeared about two weeks after Bob left town. He went to Curry's house at midnight, stole some money, and slept Curry around. A few weeks later, he stuck up the mine, paymaster. After that, he made off with mining company cash from the express office. Did he always appear at midnight? No. He was called the Midnight Rider because of the first time he appeared. And because of his black horse, and cape, and mask. Has anyone heard from Bob since he left San Jose? Every so often, his parents get a letter with cash in it. But they don't know where to reach him. You said the Midnight Rider dropped out of sight about a year ago. Yes. But during that year, the people he robbed have been receiving money from him. He's paid back just about all he stole. Bob Jessup will be coming here for the first time. How do you know? His mother is dying. You'll know about it. He has ways of keeping track of what goes on around town. He'll know his mother's dying, and he'll come here. God, mister, I'd rather turn in my badge and arrest a boy. The lone ranger and Toto moved their camp to the top of a hill not far from town. From there, they could see for miles in all directions. They took turns watching. And on the second day, Toto sighted a solitary figure on a black horse. The binoculars revealed the fact that he answered the description of Bob Jessup. The lone ranger and Toto mounted and rode to meet the traveler. Come on, Toto, let's go. Bob Jessup saw the masked man and the Indian approach. He drew rain and waited with one hand on his gun. That's enough. You aiming to talk to me? Yes, Jessup. Please just mouth. How do you know who I am? The sheriff described you. He's expecting you. Who are you? I wanted to be known. I wouldn't wear a mask. Now dismount. I'll do as you say, mister, because I'm a no-mute to fight or argue. My cash is in my right-hand pocket. That's your aftertaker. Take it and let me go. I'm in a hurry. I don't want your cash. See, what's in the saddlebags, Toto? No, me look. Easy, fella. Stay away from those saddlebags or they'll be gunplaced for you. Hold it. Don't finish your job. I thought I was faced with a gun. Leave it to the host, too. We'll have no trouble. I'm on your side, Jessup. You're on my side? Yes. The sheriff knows you're the midnight rider. I don't know what you're talking about. Oh, I think you do. See, what Toto has found in your saddlebags? Yeah, black mask. Black cape. That's stuff I... I, uh... I want your confidence. Huh? I think the sheriff suspected who I am when he found out my horse is named Silver. Silver, the mask. Does a Silver bullet mean anything to you? Here. You... Great Scott, the lone ranger. The sheriff's daughter is still waiting for you. Mary, but that's... Your father's hoping you'll get home in time. Then it... It's true about Mark. Yes, I think it is. Mr. I pay back every time I stole. I'm square with everyone. But not with the law. But I... You said you were in a hurry to get home. Go ahead. All right. Easy. Get it. Give us some of this. You think him be arrested when him get to town? I don't know what the sheriff will do, Tonneau. We'll watch closely and find out. You go into town and keep an eye on development. We'll continue our lone ranger adventure in just a moment. G-Man Jimmy is eight years old. He is strong and he is bold. He can capture outlaws cause he knows. He's got gold power from Cheerios. Yes, he's got gold power. There he goes. He's feeling his Cheerios. Cheerios. Cheerios. That's Cheerios, all right. The nourishing old cereal that's shaped like little letter O's. The ready to eat cereal with a wonderful toasted old flavor. What's more, every delicious spoonful of Cheerios and milk is real muscle building food. That's right. Each spoonful contains vitamins, minerals and proteins your body needs. And these good things in a Cheerios breakfast do good things for your body. Help you have healthy nerves, good red blood, strong bones and muscles. Yes, Cheerios is made to give you real gold power. So try Cheerios, the famous old cereal that needs no cooking. And soon you'll hear people say, He's feeling his Cheerios. Now to continue. After the conference on the trail, the lone ranger sent Bob Jessup on his way. But kept the mask and cape that would identify the young man as the mysterious midnight rider wanted by the law. It was night and the moon was bright when Jessup guided his tired horse past the mission in San Jose. He heard a girl call his name. Oh, hold it, hold it. Mary, the daughter of the sheriff and the girl Bob Jessup loved, ran up to meet him. Mary. Oh, Bob, you did come back. Oh gosh, Mary, it's been a long time since I saw you. What's the latest word about my mother? There's been no change since the last note I sent you, Bob. She's alive, but the doctor doesn't expect her to live. I'm glad I got here while she's still alive. But Bob, wait. I must tell you, my father's waiting for you, and he's sure you're the midnight rider. I've paid back everything I stole. That won't help. The law may have trouble getting real proof against me. Kurill have men swear that you're the one who robbed them. He's terribly vindictive. He's never forgotten that the midnight rider slapped his face. I wish I'd slapped it harder. Here comes Dad. It's too late for me to try to run. He's seen us talking. Well, look who's here. I've been expecting you, Jessup. Dad, please. How are you, Sheriff? I had a hunch I'd see you if I kept watch on Mary. I, uh... Has Mary told you about my suspicions? Yes. What are you going to do, Sheriff? Lock me up? Bob, I'm willing to meet you halfway on a gentleman's agreement. What does that mean? The doctor's your mother has only a day or so left, isn't he? It would be a shame if she had to die knowing her son was in jail. I'll let you go home and see her if you'll give me a word of honour that you'll come into my office when she's gone and give herself up. When my's gone. Or at the latest play, noon on Thursday. She's waiting for you, Bob. She's waiting and hoping and praying to see you. I'll go right away. Soon after leaving Mary and the sheriff, Bob was at the bedside of his mother while his father waited with the doctor in another room, holding the white-haired woman's thin hand. Bob told of his discovery of gold some distance north of San Jose. Bob, is that the truth? Have you really found gold? Yes, Mom. Every word I've told you is the truth. Oh, son, I'm so relieved. I was afraid that money you've been sending as my... might not be honest money. It's honest, honey, Mom. Dad can start all over again with a new claim and he can send money to the pottery. And the mission bell will ring again. That makes me happy, son. My bag now, Mom. Close your eyes and rest. You're tired. When Mrs. Jessup fell asleep with a smile on her face, Bob left the room on tiptoe and signaled for the doctor to go in. In 15 minutes, the doctor returned to the sitting room where Bob and his father were waiting. Doc, how is she? I can't account for it. Perhaps the visit from her son has helped. Your wife is much improved. She's sleeping normally. You mean to say, is there a chance? Bob, I think your mother is going to get well. At first, Bob couldn't believe the incredible news. He questioned the doctor at length, then hurried to the sheriff's home where he found the lawman and Mary. Oh, yes, he did. I thought you were with your mother. Sheriff Mary, Ma's not going to die. She's going to get well. Bob!  Sheriff, I forgot all about that. That's going to be tough, son. Ma's biggest worry was that I'd send home stolen money.  You'll have me there, I promise you, Bob. But I'll have to jail you at noon on Thursday. Toto had followed the Lone Ranger's instructions and kept a close watch on events in town. He had found a vantage point near a window in the sheriff's house and heard enough to grasp the situation. When he left town and reported to the Lone Ranger in camp, the masked man agreed that Mrs. Jessup would never survive the shock of having her son jailed. It means a woman's life, Toto. What we do, Kimusabe? You see what happens tomorrow. Tomorrow night, we may call on the sheriff. It was late the following night when the Lone Ranger quietly entered the sheriff's home, went to the bedroom, and lighted a lamp. The lawman awakened, saw the masked man. At first he was startled. Then the slow grin spread over his face. Mr. Hey, I have a hunch I'd recognize you were boys. We've met before, Sheriff. Yep, that's right. But you weren't wearing a mask. You were dressed differently. At that time, you told me about a problem. I came to discuss it further. It sure is a problem.  The sheriff confided in the Lone Ranger, telling how he had failed in an effort to persuade Curry to drop the charges against Bob Jessup. It remains to be proved that Jessup is a midnight rally. A lot may happen between now and tomorrow noon. Noon of the following day found Jim Curry and a number of other men in the office of the sheriff. Manny too was present. Curry looked at his watch. Well, it's 12 o'clock. Here he comes, right on time. Well, you didn't show up, Jessup. I didn't think you'd have the nerve. I showed up all right, Curry. I dare say you've seen these men through the eye-holes of a mask. How about a gentleman? Does this look like the midnight rally? Yes, sir. All right, Sheriff, we've identified him. Jessup, don't you try to deny your guilt? I'm not denying or admitting anything. You offered a reward, Curry. Did you bring the money with you? I did. I have it right here in my pocket. Well, Curry, you said you'd pay the reward money when Bob Jessup was in custody. That's right. I'm in custody to put the cash on the sheriff's desk. All right, there it is. And you're welcome to a job. Well, it's not my money. I told Bob he could have the reward if he'd give himself up. Oh, that's it. Yes, Curry, that's it. And the money is going to the pottery at the mission. When he gets it, he'll ring the bells that my ma hopes to hear once more. Oh, Bob. There's just one thing I'd like to point out to you, Mr. Curry. Yeah, well, sir, you agreed to pay the reward for the capture of Bob Jessup. Because he's the midnight rider. That remains to be proved. We've identified it. We'll do the same in court. You might be right. What's his name? It was the Lone Ranger who stood in the doorway. But instead of his familiar regalia, he wore the black cape and the mask that Curry and his associates had seen on the midnight rider. There's a midnight rider. That's the man. But we were all wrong, Curry. He must be the man who robbed it. He's the same size as Jessup. What do you want here, Mr. Curry? Curry has been generous in his offer of a reward. I'll take the money. No, no. Curry, are you going to try to stop me? I doubt it. I advise all of you to stand right where you are for several minutes after I leave. I'll get him, sir. Do stop.  Bring him back here. Do your duty, sir. I'll see what I can do. I'll be careful. There he goes. He got away. It's a trick. That's what it is. It's some kind of a trick to clear, Bob Jessup. Hey, I've got you. Hello, gents. You still insist that Jessup is the midnight rider? Well, I... I reckon it... Ah, Jessup, I apologize. And so do I, Jessup. I sure hope you don't bear hard feelings. I guess, sir. You're admitting your mistake like gentlemen. Well, Curry, you seem to be standing alone. My money was... He wasn't your money. He'd already paid it over for the capture of Bob Jessup, as you agreed. Now, if you know further business, please get out of office. I want to talk to Jessup alone. Come on, Curry. But I... That rabbit. There's something mighty curious about it.  Oh, Bob. Bob, you're in the clear. Sheriff, Curry was right about me being the midnight rider. That man who came here, he took my cape and mask. He's not the midnight rider at all. Curry, don't argue with a good break when it's handed to you. You're in the clear. Go back to your folks. You and your pa have a goldmine to work. But that man took the rewarding money. He'll know what to do with it. Dad, the mission bell. Open the door, Barry, so we can hear it better. That's what my ma wants to hear, the mission bell. It must be in the pot there. Receive some cash. Wouldn't you say so? Yes. Offhand, I'd say the cash was just hand-to-toed by an Indian who got it from the mask man who came here wearing your cape. I should have known, Sheriff. I should have known that cash would go to the right place when it was taken by the Lone Ranger.  The part of The Lone Ranger is played by Brace Beamer, your announcer, Fred Floyd. Listen to The Lone Ranger brought to you by special recording Mondays through Fridays at this same time.


Russian Landsat drone destroyed Polish Crab Hawitsa. A video has surfaced online showing a Polish supplied Crab Hawitsa operated by Ukraine forces being struck and destroyed by a Russian Landsat Kamikaze drone. The footage was taken by a surveillance drone on the right side of the Nipah River in Kursan region. The Landsat targeted the self-propelled gun after it was spotted hidden in the undergrowth. The loitering munition hit the Crab on its rear causing an explosion and ablaze. The fire appears to have reached the Hawitsa's ammunition load as the video concludes with the Polish hardware being blown to pieces. Warsaw donated 18 AHS Crab 155mm self-propelled guns to Kiev shortly after the launch of Russia's military operation in Ukraine in February 2022. In July of that year, Ukraine struck a deal to purchase 54 more such Hawitsas from its neighbour. Russia's Defence Ministry has reported the destruction of Crab systems on many occasions since then. Some commentators have suggested that the Crab in the video was blown up by an advanced version of the Landsat which the Russian military began deploying in Ukraine recently. According to reports in the Russian and Western media, the newest iteration of the drone is equipped with LIDAR technology involving a laser rangefinder made of two optical cameras that allows it to detonate its warhead in an optimal distance from the target. The system was allegedly designed in order to bypass anti-drone cages and other additional defences that are being put on hardware by both sides during the conflict.


The Mutual Broadcasting System, in cooperation with Family Theatre Incorporated, presents Three Way Love, starring Marino Sullivan and John Lund. William Lundigan is your host.  The Family Theatre is a program for the family put on by a large group of people here in Hollywood, who think a happy family is the greatest thing any one of us could ask for. You folks who have happy families agree with this whole heartedly, I know. And those of you who don't, well, you're the ones who really know what I mean. Now the thing is, if you have a happy family, you're lucky. How lucky you can't imagine. So work, work hard, do everything you can to keep it that way. And if you don't have a happy family, well, there is something you can do about it. It takes work, it takes understanding, consideration, kindness, unselfishness. One thing that will go a long way in that direction is prayer, family prayer. Because it is certainly true that more things are wrought by prayer than this world dreams of. And it isn't hard to pray. All you do is ask God to help you. Talk to Him. He'll answer you. Of that you can be sure. And of this you can be sure. A family that prays together stays together. Ted Belmont's wife died two years ago. He and his 13-year-old daughter were very lonely. But their need of one another drew them closer together. When it was necessary for Ted to move to another city, it was thought best to leave Edith with her grandmother for the five-month balance of the school year. Meanwhile, Ted is met and married Helen. When the school is out, we find them waiting at the railroad station for Edith to arrive. Oh, Ted, I'm so excited. I'm a little scared, too. Scared? Yes. What if she doesn't like me?  I think you're prejudiced. I do think you should have told her about me, though. Well, I wanted to surprise the kid. Maybe more of a shock than a surprise. Now, just quit worrying. She'll be tickled to death. I do not, sir. All my life I've wanted a little girl. I find myself imagining how wonderful it'll be to have her come to me with her confidences. That's what Edith needs, too. She sure missed her mother. Look forward, darling. Yeah. I felt so sorry for her. I'm afraid I'm spoiling. She needs a little spoiling. Yeah, that's what I figured. Ted, you know I'm going to do my best to be a good mother, don't you? You're top-top. I'm a lucky guy. No, I'm the lucky one. Each few months of our marriage has been the happiest time of my life. Mine, too. Ted is most exciting. You see her? No. Oh, look. There's a little girl getting off that car. Where? There. Oh, no. No, that's not Edith. Oh. She'll be taller than that. She's at the awkward gang liage. Holy smoke. Here she comes now. But, Ted, that's a young lady. Well, it's 15. They're just about as tall as they'll get, Helen. Well, let's hurry to her. She sure grown up, though. I hardly knew her myself. Hi there, Edith. You're me. I miss you so much. I miss you, too, baby. Let me look at you, Ted. You do, too. Quite the glamour gal. Let me give you a big hug. Oh, it's good to have you, baby. It's good to be here, dad. Edith, I want you to meet someone very special. This is your new mother. My what? Your new mother. I, uh, I thought I'd surprise you. Joking. You wouldn't. I'm so happy to meet you, dear. Your father's told me so many wonderful things about you. I'm sure we're going to be great friends. Oh, do you think so? Let's skip the embraces, shall we?  Oh, of course. I suppose it is childish. I can't seem to realize you're almost grown up. Well, uh, how about lunch at Celeste, Rome? Yes. This is a very special occasion. What's special about it? Well, it's the day when you acquire a new mother. That calls for a celebration. Dad, may I speak to you a minute? Of course. Excuse us, Helen. Yeah. Dad, I didn't want a new mother. I could call anyone else mother. Well, you're going to love Helen, Edith. Come on now. Straighten up. Let's hurry home and rest before lunch. I'm not a bit tired. Well, this is your party, baby. I suppose you make a suggestion. Well... Tell me what you'd like most to do. If I may be frank, Dad. Of course, baby. It's been almost six months since I've seen you. Couldn't we go someplace and have lunch alone together? Together? Well, I, uh... I'll ask Helen. Oh, Helen. Yes, Dad? Edith suggested that she'd like to, uh... Well, uh, she hasn't seen me in a long time. Oh, I understand. You'd like to be together? That's right. Well, I think that's a wonderful idea. I have some shopping to do in town, and I'll meet you both at dinner tonight, hm? Helen, dear, I appreciate your understanding. Oh, don't eat too much lunch. I plan a very special dinner. We won't. See you at six. Goodbye, my dear. Goodbye, you two. Have a good time. Hello? Hello, dear. Oh, my darling, I've been expecting you. Has anything happened? To a restaurant? Yeah. And, uh, then she wants to go to a show. Oh, but, Ted, I made such a nice dinner. I know, dear, but... On the table looks so pretty. I know, darling. You've done... What couldn't you take her tomorrow? Well, Edith wants to go tonight, and I thought it best to humor her. Well, I... Gotta be easy on the kids, you know. You were right. I should have told her. It was a shock to her. Yes. I would have to give her time to get used to the idea. Yeah. Well, don't worry. She'll come around. Darling, I read... Goodbye. Bye, darling. Dad, I've had a wonderful time. Oh, I'm glad you did, baby. That was the best show I've seen in ages. Oh, doesn't Van Johnson send you? Well, uh, hardly. But I did enjoy the show. Hello there. I take it you had a good time. Oh, you still up? Of course. I wouldn't miss showing my new daughter her room. This is her big moment, baby. I do hope you like it. I fixed it all up for you. You think you were royalty coming, Edith? Nothing was good enough. She's been running all over town to find just the right wallpaper and drapes to match. Oh, it was fun. She even made the curtains herself because she couldn't find any ready-made ones dandy enough. You shouldn't have bothered. I prefer simple tailored things. Here it is. Isn't it wonderful? Looks like something an interior decorator dreamed of. It's very nice. Do you mind if I strip it of the frills? Well, it's your room, Edith. I realize I should have let you express your own personality in decorating it. But, Helen, you're only trying to please her. Well, Edith must feel free to redecorate it if she wants to. But it just...  A girl wants her room to express her own tastes. I don't know quite why I didn't think of that. Well, I'll leave you girls to get acquainted. See you later. He's noble, aren't you? What do you mean? Don't play dumb. You're deliberately trying to turn my father against me. How can you say such a thing? Why should I want to do that? You're jealous. That's why. You know he loves me more than he does you. He loves us both, dear. Don't dear me. My name is Edith, and I'll thank you to call me that. I'll remember it, Edith. That's the way you want it. That's just the way I want it. I was so hoping we could be friends. Friends? That's all the way I've... Now, let's understand each other, Edith. All my life, I've wanted a little girl of my own. And when Ted told me he had a daughter, I was very happy about it. Well, I'm not happy about it. I like having my dad to myself. You love your father very much, and so do I. That should be a bond between us. No, it isn't. While I'm in this house, I'll thank you to leave me alone as much as possible. Very well, dear. Edith. Edith. But remember, I still want to be your friend. And if you ever want anything, you feel free to come to me. Don't worry, I won't. Good night, Edith. I'll see you at breakfast. Oh! Of all the goody-goody people!     Breakfast, you want to dance?  It's time I talked to you. Okay, Dad. What do you want to talk about? Edith, don't you think it would be nice if you offered to help Helen with the dishes? Oh. She's been complaining about me, has she? No, no, she hasn't. But it's only right that you should help out. I'm a guest in this house, and guests aren't supposed to work. Now, where did you get that crazy idea? You're not a guest, you're one of the family. I'm not one of this family. Don't you think it's time to call it truce and begin to act natural? I am acting natural. I'm staying out of your wife's way as much as possible. Is that nice? I didn't choose her. I wasn't even told about her. You see why I have to have her companionship push down my throat? Nobody's trying to force her companionship on you. Oh. Daddy, it was so wonderful before you were married. Well, it could be wonderful now. We could still have fun together if you didn't stay in your room all the time. It's the same with her there. She listens to every word I say. She's jealous. Oh, you've got Helen all wrong. She wouldn't know how to be jealous. That's what you think. It's true. It's the same. I wish we could be together some of the evenings. But that wouldn't be fair to Helen. If she isn't jealous, she wouldn't mind. And you insist she isn't jealous. Of course she isn't. Then how about taking me to a show tonight? Oh, Daddy, just for old time's sake. Well, I... Let's have just one evening like it used to be. Please. Okay, honey. I'll fix it up with her.  I'll get my coat. Here's a picture I've just been dying to see. Oh, Helen's mentioned she'd like to see that too. Let's see something else and take this in when Helen's with us. But Helen can go during the day sometime. I can't wait to see it, please. All right, baby. Two tickets, please. Oh, Daddy, you're an angel.  Let's make it a weekly event. How about it, Dad? Two evenings out together every week? If it'll make you happy. Oh, Dad. Skating to music, Dad? Yeah, yeah, it is fun. See? He skates as well as ever. Yeah, but let's sit down and rest a minute. I'm tired. I never get tired of skating. Wouldn't you rather do these things with somebody your own age? Of course not. I just love being with you, Dad. I'm skating better than roller skating, don't you, Dad? Well, maybe I will when I get used to it again.  We'll go twice a week until we get to be the best couple on the rink. Yeah, yeah, sure. But for the present, let's skate out here on the edge where I can hold on to the railing. Oh, Ken, you look so funny wobbly on those skates. Mind your manners, young lady.  Hey, that's great. Your score makes mine look sick. That's the fun of playing with your father. You can play as well as you're able to. Couldn't you have you played with anyone else? No, not with a boy.  I have to use psychology. I'd like to talk to you, Edith. OK. You've been happier lately, haven't you? You mean since Dad's been allowed to go out with me? I don't say it loud, Edith. I never objected, even from the first day. Double murder, huh? Edith, now please try to be fair. I get it. You're being noble and honest. You're being noble in the hope of making me ashamed of myself. I wasn't being noble, as you put it. I was trying to be understanding. List another name for it. Nothing you could say would make me angry today. I'm so happy. And I want you to share my happiness. No thanks. I won't have any. But you don't understand what I'm trying to tell you. Letting my dad spend some of his evenings with me is sharing your happiness than OK by me. It's what I want, too. I've been glad you two could have fun together. Glad. Yes. You see, I wouldn't be equal to much physical exertion. How come? Or Edith, I want you to be the first to know we're going to have a baby. A baby?  Edith. It wasn't enough that my dad had to share his affections with you, but another has to be this child. Edith, it'll be your own little brother or sister. Someone for you to love. I won't love it. I'll hate it. Oh, Edith, I thought this could be a secret we two could share together. Something that would bring us closer. Yes. I never hated you as much as I do right now.  Oh, beautiful morning, isn't it? I think I'll leave the car to be greased today. Say, what's the matter with everybody? Am I giving a monologue? You two are certainly sociable. There's nothing to talk about. Phil, excuse me, Dad. I have to get ready for school. OK, baby. Bye, Daddy. I'll be seeing you. Goodbye, Edith. Say, what's the matter with you two? What's been the matter ever since Edith came? She won't accept me. She does everything she can to break up our marriage. Oh, you're imagining things. If you'd be a little more understanding of a child... Oh, more understanding?  You ought to have more sense. I've swallowed my pride, and I've taken everything from that girl. Helen. I kept telling myself it was unfair of us to surprise her like this. But if I'd just be patient, she'd get over it. Oh, Helen, now... But now I know she'll never get over it. And you know why? Because she doesn't want to. Helen, listen to me. I could take anything while I thought you were with me. But this does it. I've had all that I'm going to take. Come back here, Helen. I didn't mean to make you mad. Oh, women. Helen, darling. Well, I am surprised to see you. How nice that you've come. Oh, mother.  So you're glad. Well, now from the looks of your eyes, I'd say that you're sorry. Mother, I have to talk to you. Well, you come into the living room, darling. All right. Now, you just sit comfortable here on the couch beside me, tell your old mother all about it. Mother. I remember when you were little, how you'd come to me with your troubles. Mother, I've come back home to stay. I've left Ted. Oh, now I can't believe that. With my own ears, I heard you take those marriage vows. We were happy together to lead a camp. I heard you say for better or for worse. Well, I didn't think anything could be as bad as this. Oh, now listen to her. Has Ted beaten you or come home drunk without his paycheck?  Ted's always been kind, but that daughter of his, right from the very first, you see how impossible it is. Listen to me now, child.  If we are brave with the help of God, they get lighter and in a wonderful way. This is hopeless. I've told you how patient I've been with the girl. That's where you've been making a mistake. You should be kind, but firm. Children are like horses. They like to feel that someone is holding the reins. Oh, I see. The young one will show you no respect until you demand it, as you do. How can I demand anything when Ted takes sides with her? No, no, I'm through. Are you forgetting that you made a contract before God? Oh, but I... I remember your wedding day. You were so happy. Ted was so proud. Oh, don't, don't. Do you remember how Ted couldn't take his eyes from your face? The love light shining like a glow all around. I don't. And I said to myself, Mary, I said, if ever a marriage was made in heaven, it was this marriage. Mother, where did I fail? You forgot that in every true marriage, there are three parties. Three? Yes. The man, the woman, and God. Have you asked the third party for help, child? Well, I... How could you expect a happy home if you leave God out? But, Mother...  Take your troubles to God. It's wonderful what he can do. Mother, I will. Is that you, Edith? I'm here in the living room. You still here? When I left for school, you were packing. I've come back. I've had time to think things over. From now on, things are going to be different. What do you mean? Your father and I have established this home. And if you want to be a part of it, you're going to have to conform. And who's going to make me? I am. Can't you realize it makes your father unhappy when we don't get along? Well, we're never going to get along, and the sooner you find that out, the better. Now, Edith... I want my dad to myself, and I will not share him with anybody. Doesn't he have anything to say about that? I can handle him all right. Just tell him to choose between us and see what happens. There'll be no choosing. From now on, I'm making the rules, and you will not break up this marriage. That's what you've been trying to do, isn't it? Of course. It's taking a little longer than I expected. But I can wait. Well, don't bother to wait any longer. Oh, Ted... Daddy, when did you get home? If you're wondering how much I heard, I'll tell you. Just enough to show me what the trouble is. But, Ted, your work. You're never home this time? I've worried all day, Helen, about the way I spoke to you at breakfast. Oh. I picked up the phone a dozen times to tell you so. Oh, Ted. I thought I could be more convincing if I came home to tell you. Darling, will you forgive me? Oh, of course I will, Dad. But, Dad... As for you, Edith, you're right. It wouldn't be possible for us all to get along together. Oh, Dad, I...  You can live with her. Oh, but, Dad, you don't know what you're doing to me. Grandma's so fashion and strict. Her house is just like a morgue. Seems you're rather hard to please. I love Grandma, but you know how she is, Dad. I just live for the time when I could be with you. I'm sorry, Edith, but it's your own fault. I'll phone your grandmother right now. Long distance? Will you please get me Mrs. Ted Morton of 116 Ridgewood Drive, Los Angeles. Ted Morton, Central 1-2-2-1. Please give me one more chance. I'm sorry, but I don't think that would be fair to Helen. She's been put through enough. Oh, Dee... Save the dramatics. Yes, Operator. Hello? Hello, Mother? Yes, it's Ted. How are you? No, no, there's nothing wrong. Uh, that is... I'm calling to ask if I can send Edith back to live with you.  I see. Yeah, yeah, I understand. Yes, we're all fine. I'll write soon. Goodbye, Mother. What'd she say? She said she didn't want the responsibility of a teenage girl. She says that now I'm married, you're my wife's job. So now you're stuck with me. Oh, no, no. I think a boarding school will be the answer. That sounds like a wonderful idea. You'll have the companionship of girls your own age. I'm not going to any boarding school. Neither one of you wants me.  We're not the least bit impressed. Oh, Ted, now don't be too hard on her. You? Sticking up for her? You can't do an about face like this, Ted.  I never thought my own father would turn against me. No, no, no. I think if you gave her another chance, things would be different. Dad, what's going on? Wasn't that Dr. Gibson who just left? Yes, Helen was ill during the night. We had a call-in. You don't think it was my fault? You don't blame me, do you, Dad? Well, the strain you put her under didn't help any. But I think she's going to be all right. The doctor says she has to rest for a couple of weeks. I'm going to phone now and see if I can get a nurse. Don't get a nurse, Dad. I'll take care of Helen. You? What do you know about nursing? I had a home nursing course in high school, and the teacher said I had a natural talent for it. But after the way you've treated Helen... I'm sorry, Dad. I know I've acted like a brat. That is an understatement. You were always spoiled, but you were sweet and kind.  What's got into you? Dad, your marriage surprised me so... I was jealous, I guess. I started to act ugly, and then I just got worse and worse... to know how to get out of it. Dad, I won't be like that anymore. I've been so miserable. Well, from now on, we make the rules, and you live up to them. I will, Dad. She was swell of Helen to want me, and I'll make up to her for everything. You'll see. What a beautiful train. The roses from our garden. Thank you. My, that soup smells good. Mmm, it is good. I think Dr. Gibson will let me up tomorrow. Thanks to your wonderful care. I love taking care of sick people. You suppose I could take up nursing when I get through high school? Of course. Your father and I would be so proud. Thanks, Helen. As your very first patient, I was called upon to give you a testimony. Let me see now, I'll say, um... Oh, yes, to whom it may concern.  But thanks to Nurse Edith and her wonderful care, I'm a new person, full of them, vigor and vitality. Will you put it in writing? Every word. Seriously, though, Edith, I do want to thank you. You've been wonderful.  No, I've forgotten all about that. You see, I didn't give myself a chance to find out what a swell person you are. I think you're pretty super yourself. I got a present for you, shall I take your tray? Please do. Oh, I can't wait to see my present. Here. Oh, how beautiful. I hate to undo it, the package is so pretty. Oh, darling. Oh, how lovely. I made it myself. It's the dangerous little baby dress I've ever seen. Do you really like it? Mother. You know if there really were a pot at the foot of the rainbow containing the greatest treasure in the world, do you know what that treasure would be? Happiness. Yes, happiness, the most priceless possession there is. I think if you get right down toward every one of us agree that happiness is the one thing we really want.  But deep in our hearts we know it won't because real happiness has nothing to do with wealth or material things. Happiness is a quality that comes from love, unselfish love, love of God, love of our husbands and wives, our children, our families. The road to happiness isn't a rainbow. It's a difficult path but we have to keep climbing, pulling, working all the time. But one thing that smooths the path is prayer. Family prayer. Try it and you'll see. Ask God sincerely and with complete faith in His understanding for His help. God is willing and anxious to help you. All you have to do is ask Him. So pray. Pray together as a family. Tonight and every night. For a family that prays together stays together. Before saying good night, I'd like to thank John Lund for his performances, Ted, Moreno Sullivan for her portrayal of Helen. A special word of thanks also to Margaret Lowry for writing tonight's play, Max Tare for his music, Mel Williamson, John Ryder, who produced and directed the program, others who appeared in our play tonight, our Arlene Becker and Virginia Gregg. Next week our family theater stars will be Ozzie Nelson and Harriet Hilliard in Goodbye, Goodbye, Goodbye. Your host will be Frank Morgan. This is William Lundigan saying good night and God bless you. This series of the family theater broadcast is made possible by the thousands of you who felt a need for this kind of program, by the mutual broadcasting system which has responded to this need and by the actors and technicians in the motion picture and radio industries. This program is heard overseas in other facilities in the United States Armed Forces Radio Services, Tony LaFranco speaking. This is the Mutual Broadcasting System.


For this example, we're going to be converting these two numbers from binary into decimal. And we'll be using the division method for real numbers to do this. So I'll start by breaking my first number into two parts. I'll have a whole number which looks like six in decimal. And I'll have this fraction. And the fraction will allow me to apply the division method to solve this problem. So I'm going to start by taking my first one here. And I'm going to divide it by the source space, which is two. So I get one half. And I'll mark that I've used this one up. So now I'm going to take this next one. And I'm going to add it in. And it's now been used. Now I will divide my 1.5 by 2. That will give me 0.75. And then I'm going to take this 0. And copy that in over here. And I'll mark that I've used the 0. And I'm going to divide by 2 one more time. So this will end up being my fraction in decimal. So I'm just going to write in 3, 7, 5. There's my number in decimal. I'll do the same thing for the other number. So 1, 0, 1, 1 is 11. I've got 8 plus 2 plus 1. And now I'll use the division method to convert the fraction here. So I'll pull down this 1. Divide that by 2. I'll get 0.5. I'll pull down this next one. Divide by 2. Get 0.75. Pull down this 0. Divide by 2. And we'll get 0.375 again. And I will pull down this 1. Divide this by 2. And this will give me 0.6875. So I will take this fraction and copy it over here.


Thank you. Thank you. What a welcome. I have never had a welcome like that." The first house, in what is known today as Los Angeles' El Posto State's Neighborhood, was built in the 1850s and was later owned by quite a legend in the entertainment world. In 1929, a spacious new house was completed on the site of the original three-room Adobe cottage, and six decades later in 1969, property was acquired by none other than 19-time Emmy-winning game show host and dedicated animal rights advocate Bob Barker. The loved host of the prices right lived in the vintage home for more than 50 years before he passed away in August 2023, just a few months shy of his 100th birthday. More recently, Barker's former hole was listed for sale at just under $3 million, and we were able to catch a glimpse inside. Bob Barker, known as the beloved host of the iconic game show, The Price Is Right, led a remarkable life both on and off-screen. Born on December 12, 1923 in Darrington, Washington, Barker grew up during the Great Depression, feasting financial challenges that would later shape his commitment to animal welfare. After serving as a fighter pilot during World War II, Barker pursued a career in broadcasting, starting as a radio host before transitioning to TV. In 1956, he began hosting the game show Truth or Consequences, which propelled him to fame as a TV personality. However, it was Barker's time as the host of The Price Is Right, which began in 1972 that cemented his status as a household name. Over the next 35 years, Barker became synonymous with the show, charming audiences with his warm demeanor, catchphrases, and signature sign-off. Help control the pet population, have your pets spayed or neutered. Off-screen Barker was deeply passionate about animal rights and activism. He used his platform to raise awareness about animal welfare issues and was a vocal advocate for spaying and neutering pets to control over population. His dedication to this cause led to the establishment of the DJ&T Foundation, named after his late wife Dorothy Jo and mother Tilly, which supports animal rescue and rehabilitation efforts. In addition to his philanthropic work, Barker enjoyed a fulfilling home life. In 1986, he purchased a historic Spanish revival style home in LA's outpost estates neighborhood where he resided for more than five decades with his wife. Tragically, Barker's wife Dorothy Jo passed away in 1981 after battling lung cancer. Despite this loss, Barker eventually found love again, marrying his second wife Nancy Burnett, whom he was with for 40 years. His home became a cherished sanctuary where he could relax and enjoy time with loved ones amid his busy career. In August 2023, Barker passed away at the age of 99, leaving behind a lasting legacy as a TV icon, animal advocate, and devoted family man. The first residence, in what is now recognized as LA's outpost estates neighborhood, dates way back to the 1850s, when Don Tomas Orquidez constructed a modest three-room adobe dwelling within the Sycamore groves near the intersection of Outpost Drive and Hillside Avenue. This historic property later fell under the ownership of General Harrison Gray Otis, the first publisher of the Los Angeles Times who christened the outpost. The land encompassing Otis's outpost was absorbed by developer Charles E. Toberman, who envisioned an opulent residential community branding it Outpost Estates. Toberman was nicknamed Mr. Hollywood because he personally oversaw the construction of some of the city's biggest landmarks like Grumman's Chinese and Egyptian theaters and the Hollywood Roosevelt Hotel. Toberman began construction on Outpost Estates back in 1926 but he stopped after the market crash in 1929 as the world entered the Great Depression. Three years later, he was able to raise enough funds to restart construction and he eventually passed away at the age of 101 years old inside one of the homes located here. To garner attention for his upskill development, Toberman erected a striking 30-foot red neon sign bearing the name Outpost. Over the years, the neighborhood became a sought after spot for Hollywood stars with early residents including silver screen icons like Bella Lugosi and Dolores Del Rio. These days notable figures like Charlize Theron and David Lynch call Outpost Estates home. In 1929, a spacious new house was completed on the site of that original re-room Adobe Cottage and six decades later in 1969 the property was purchased by none other than Emmy-winning game show host Bob Barker. Bob's Spanish colonial style abode boasted 5,000 square feet of space as well as four bedrooms, an equal number of bathrooms and a fully stocked maze quarters. Barker cherished the vintage charm of this house for over half a century until his passing in August 2023. Recently photos of the home's interiors were revealed as the property is listed for 2.988 million on the market. While it may need some modern updates, the home retains many desirable original features like stained glass windows, wrought iron details, antique light fixtures and a wood beam ceiling above the staircase. The main level of Bob's long-time home boasts a 28-foot long living room with original wood paneling and French doors leading to the backyard as well as a library with a walk-in wet bar. Other highlights include a dining room, breakfast room, kitchen with a butler's pantry, large laundry room and powder rooms. Upstairs, four bedrooms and three bathrooms offer comfortable accommodations with a primary suite featuring a walk-in closet and dressing room. However, during his time living here, Bob treated this home as a private sanctuary and rarely offered fans a look inside. The only occasions we've ever seen inside his place is when he's opened his doors to press photo shoots, such as that time he took a few candid snaps next to his pet rabbit in 2011 or when he gave the press a look at all 18 of his Emmys. He's also given fans a peek into what others have referred to in the past as a junk room. But this place helped a special place in Bob's heart because it became home to a series of important mementos from his past. This included models of planes he used to fly back during World War II for the Navy. Additional amenities include a nearly 400-square-foot garage, gated driveway and a 600-square-foot basement level ideal for a variety of purposes. Property's lush landscaping, tall hedges and tree-shaded lawn provided privacy, while a swimming pool surrounded by a flagstone terrace was perfect to allow. Recognized as historical and a cultural moment, the home presents a unique opportunity for a special buyer to revive its former glory and transform it into a modern masterpiece while retaining its history. Bob Barker's historic Spanish revival home in LA's Outpost estates holds a special place in his legacy. For over five decades, it served as a tranquil retreat where Barker found peace and joy amid his successful career in the spotlight. With its original architectural charm and lush surroundings, the residents boast the essence of Barker's life, a blend of elegance, warmth and dedication to family and philanthropy. As the property will transition into new ownership, it keeps Barker's enduring influence and the mark he left on both the entertainment industry and the world of animal advocacy. The home remains a cherished piece of Hollywood history, embodying the spirit of a beloved TV icon and his commitment to making a difference. While that wraps up today's house tour, before we go answer this question for me, what was your favorite game on The Price is Right and why? Let me know down in the comments which you'd most like to play. Would it be Plinko or maybe it's Clifhanger? Don't forget to hit subscribe and turn on your notification so you never miss a video. I'm Kara, follow me on Instagram to chat and I'll see you all next time. Bye! Hey everyone! It's Kara, or Kara the Vampire Slayer as you might know me and given my love for all things house and home, I recently wanted to get more hands on myself and I started tackling DIY projects at my own house. Being a new homeowner, there are plenty of unexpected things to fix and it's cool to learn what you're doing and hopefully be able to fix it yourself. 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