If a sheep died, the best way to really preserve its memory is to eat their dead body. Well, I'd use it, yeah. Have you ever had any family members that have died recently? So do you think it's nice to be vegan?  Bear, eat baby deer. Yeah, otherwise the bear would die.   A hundred years ago, you wouldn't be able to survive being vegan.  My family, they know where we're getting our produce from. We know that the farmers will buy and treat the animals badly.  Most of the world eat meat, though.  I mean, you don't even want to see the footage. That says a lot.  It is Nazi thought. All right, so here we are. We've got Burger King behind me. We're in Leicester Square, London. Going back to the old school days, mate. Back to 2019. But we've got a table that says veganism is a moral obligation, meaning I believe you have a moral obligation to be vegan. Minimum. And we're going to see what the public think about that and see if we can get some good discussions about animal rights. Let's go. Means you have to do it.  Come and tell me about it.  Notion on a pig? Yeah.  No, just like bacon, you know. I like bacon.  Yeah, yeah. And you're asking if I fancy that? Well, obviously I believe that animal should have like similar rights to human beings, so... When was the last time you ate meat? The last time I ate meat was when I was 26. And what made you stop? You know how you experience the world right now. You can see me, you can hear, you can feel. If I punch you in the face, it will hurt. If you punch me in the face, it will hurt. So we don't punch each other in the face because we have a mutual respect for each other's experience, you know, like causing each other suffering. And if I booted a dog in the head or stabbed him with a knife in the eye, for no apparent reason, you'd probably say, why did you do that?  For the same reason like that, we care about the experiences of each other and experiences of the dog. Yeah. I extend that to other animals who are exactly the same.  Do you not think that's just natural? Why would I care about what's natural? Because we need some sort of stuff from the meat, don't we? You're making two different arguments. In one breath, you're saying lions shred other animals that's natural. Yeah. But when I'm discussing what is a moral obligation, why would I care about what happens in nature? Because we're technically part of nature, aren't we? So you think that we should act how animals act in nature? Well, it's kind of unnatural not to eat meat. We've done it for 2,000 years. Well, I'm just talking about shredding animals alive. Should we do that? Well, that's just like, that's a big version of it. Oh, he's got some stuff. One second, one second. If you want to jump in, do you want to jump in?  A lot of the technology these days, it's all very humane. But why would you care about what's humane if you try and mimic a lion? Lions aren't humane, are they?  Yeah, so you don't agree with him? No. You didn't agree we should act like lions? No. Well, well, do you agree with humane slaughter? What do you mean, right? Like, causing animals to at least amount of suffering before we kill them. I think so, yeah. Then why would you care about what a lion does? They cause the maximum amount of suffering. Go straight for the juggernaut. They rip antelopes' faces off, fully conscious. What do you mean, do you think they go for humane kills? Well, luckily we don't have to do that. One second. Have you seen lions rip as ever apart? Uh, no, not really. Yeah, they rip their stomach out, their stomach falls on the ground, and then they go for the guts first. Do you think that's what we should do now? I'm just asking you, should we do that? Uh, well, no, I don't think we should do that, but I think...  Well, there's a part of me that humans just need, like... No, but that's a different topic. I'm asking you if we should act like lions, because that was the thing that you said. No, I'm just saying that. That's an example of nature where animals eat. I just want to figure out if you want to bite the bullet on acting like lions in nature. What do you mean? Oh, I never said it. I would never go out and, like, rip a zebra's face off. No, I'm not saying that. I'm just saying...  Yeah, but, like, I still think we should even... So we don't have to mimic our behaviour based on the actions of lions, all right? Yeah. I'm glad you pulled off that position, because I think it's insane.  You know that, right? Yeah, I know. They have to, like, it's nature. Yeah, but we don't have to do it. So you think lions should be vegan? We don't have to, though, do we? I'm not debating a lion. I'm debating you. And then... So you sat down. I'm saying you have a moral obligation to. You're not a lion, all right? Because a lot of people like to point to lions. I'm just using, like, a little...  You know, like, one that's died naturally, you know? I actually give it a little bit more reverence to the life of an animal than to, like, desecrate their morality remains. Surely, it actually... Because I believe animals should have rights, like, you know how you have a right right now?  I think animals should have, like, fundamental rights protecting them as well. Let's just, like, if a sheep died, I think the best way to, like, really preserve its memory is to... Eat their dead body. Well, I use it, yeah. Have you ever had any family members that have died recently? Or not recently at all? Yeah, yeah.  No, I don't think I would, actually. Yeah, yeah, of course, it's a human life. Yeah, but what's the... Okay, it's just an argument for asking me, somebody who respects animals, if I were to eat their dead body, for no reason, I don't need to to survive. In a survival situation, I would look for an animal that is already died. You wouldn't be able to survive without being vegan. Well, I'm not debating you in a time machine, dude. Yeah, but I'm just saying, like... No, no, I want to say it's pretty unnatural. Who cares what they did 100,000 years ago?  Yeah, but even 50 years ago, right, you would still struggle to be a vegan. How long's veganism been around for? I'm not sure, wow. There were vegans, like, thousands of years ago. Five years, five years. No, no, no. There's a guy who wrote a vegan poem about 2,000 years ago, and veganism was coined in 1944. Yeah, okay. These are all side issues. Why aren't you vegan? Because I don't start pig. Yeah, so you like the taste of it? Well, I've been... That's probably more closer to the... Yeah, that of why. What is the justification for not being vegan? So you think it's a health thing? Is that why you're eating Hungry Jacks for health? Burger King. Burger King, so we call it Hungry Jacks in Australia. Do you do that for a balanced diet? I do that. Yeah, exactly. So, like, a lot of things we do are for pleasure, right? Yeah. You said I like to eat pigs. Yeah.  Yeah.   No, I don't think that, but, like, I think... So it doesn't justify it? Well, no, but I think, like, you know, it's just part of humanity, I think. Lots of things are part of humanity. Rape and murder are as well. So is war. So is killing children. Humans abuse children. So would you say a rapist is a bad... Child abuse is part of humanity. Would you say, like... It's a bad part of humanity. I don't think it's... Would you say I'm as bad as a rapist, because I eat meat? That's not what... Dude, let's feel it. I never said that. You said we eat meat because it's part of humanity. And I said there are a lot of horrible things that are part of humanity. Rapist... So I don't care if it's part of humanity, basically, is what I'm saying. Now, you said I'm as bad as a rapist. Obviously, there's an indirect consequence of your action here and a direct consequence of raping. So whose fault is it, then? That I am me. When you... Well, there's a lot of sociological factors, like cultural conditioning, why you do something. I think it's disconnect, why you do, and why you do as well. Because that was, for me, I was disconnected from the slaughterhouse, didn't know the animal. I was just eating meat. I wasn't eating the murdered flesh of a being who didn't want to die. It's easy for you to go on there and buy a burger. Right now, you can. Yeah. It's completely legal. No one will judge you. I don't know if you've seen what happens to animals inside a slaughterhouse. Have you? Yeah. Well, I mean, I know, I know.  Do you know what happens to the animal in terms of their experience when they're in a slaughterhouse about to die? I think they get shot. Come here. What do you want to do? Like, it's all well and good to stop me, but overall, what change are you trying to make?  No, I like people like yourselves. Like, how would you use a younger, right? I'm just trying to create, like, a bit of a thought about this topic with you first, just like applying a seed in your mind. Like, I'm trying to figure out how you think it's justified. Obviously, we went to Lyons. You went to, but 100,000 years ago, we had to do this. And but it's part of humanity. So was slavery. So it was all this horrible. There are good things about humanity. There are also bad things about humanity, right? I'm trying to figure out how you can justify it. Knowing now, right, that you can go in there. Also, you can get a vegan burger. The pleasure. You can do that.  It's not going to make a difference, is it? In a vegan burger? Already, like, thousands of pigs have died for them. I might as well eat them either. They've done stuff. So, do you know, it's not going to make a difference. It's not actually how supply and demand works. So basically, when they restock, they restock the vegan stuff. So you create a supply chain for vegan stuff. This is just an outlet. But down the line, there's a slaughterhouse on the end of the burger. But down the line, there's plants on there. Yeah, but it's about the chain. It's really like supply and demand. You know, supply and demand, right? Like, you buy drugs, a drug dealer goes and gets more drugs, and you have it under the saying, supply and demand, isn't it? If you demand something like slaughterhouses, slaughterhouses only exist because everyone here demands they do through their purchase habits. That's why I talk to consumers. But in there, I'm pretty sure, I don't know how many dead pigs are there in there right now, but let's just say, I think it's probably a good idea, instead of eating the vegan stuff to actually, because if I don't eat it, it's going to go into the bin, isn't it? Like, you know what I mean? It's probably good to actually make the pig, the deaf, at least have some sort of. There might be a little bit of waste at the start, but then they'll stop breeding pigs into existence and slaughtering them if everyone. So how's there been a reduction in the production of meat since veganism arose? So you have to factor in population growth. So the population is growing, and basically, you need comparative data to suggest that if no one ever did anything, if the vegan movement didn't exist, if the animal rights movement or vegetarians didn't exist, would it have grown quicker? And I think, of course, you can make the claim that it would, but you need comparative data to suggest that veganism's done nothing. And once you get to a tipping point, like let's just say everyone here stops flying meat, you start getting vegan options, which is why there are vegan options in Burger King and KFC and everywhere, because of supply and demand. Everyone's consumption matters. Like, over the course of your life, how many animals do you think go to the slaughterhouse for you? I don't know, quite a few, probably. Yeah, probably a few hundred a year or something, chickens and fish and da-da-da. Yeah, but so do you think what about like, instead of being vegan, what about like vegetarians, you know? Just one step. It's probably easy, isn't it? Instead of saying, like, obligation, do you not think it would just be better to encourage it? Because you're saying about the social factors, instead of just a sudden drastic change, we're not bees into it. Let's just say you were bashing people with black shirts on, red shirts on, and yellow shirts on, right?  So I'm just gonna reduce to black shirt bashing. I would say, we know bashing is wrong, don't we? So like, I would not, I would still think that was a bad thing, but it's less bad than the alternative, right? Because the dairy cows and the egg-laying hens and all that are still slaughtered, aren't they? Do you know that? Do you know that they're slaughtered? Because a lot of people don't know that with throw eggs and dairy, they have a better life. They have a better life? Yeah. It's usually worse, actually. You can say that it's better if they just don't exist in the first place, then. Yeah. So then they don't even experience anything. Yeah, well, for one, most of the animals here at Factory Farm so they're experiencing hell when they're born. In my family, they know where we're getting our produce from. We know that the farmers will treat the animals fairly. I would believe you, but you're eating out of Burger King. So like, I've been doing it, nah. You just said yourself. There is a dead pig in there, let's be honest. There isn't. You're saying yourself? Nah, but brother, yeah, but you know, you don't just eat meat from your family suppliers, what was that? That's the majority. I'd say 95%. They do eggs, milk, dairy, pigs, fish. It's a local farm. It's a local farm that do fishing pigs and chickens. I don't really eat fish. You don't eat chickens? I eat chickens, yeah.  Yeah. Okay, so they do chickens? Yeah. They do pigs? Yeah. They do cows? Yeah. And they do milk? Milk, yeah. And they do eggs? Yeah. And lamb as well. They're like a one-stop meat shop. I mean, I would believe you, but I'm doing this a long time and a lot of people do say that to me and I just think like everyone eats whatever they can wherever they're out, like, you know. And even if that were true, like there are some people who only eat meat from one supplier and they're usually like on a carnivore diet they eat from one place. I don't think that's you, but let's just say it was like it would still in my view be a rights violation of those animals to murder them so you can eat them. Once you exist, right? Yeah. You've had a good life. Yeah. Yeah, you've had a pretty good life. I don't see yourself in that much life. I mean, it might have been not so good, but reasonably good right now. Yeah, decent, decent. Would it be humane if I come up behind you and shot you in the back of the head? To eat you?   No, I think that'd be all right. It's okay? Yeah. So it's humane? Well, I think, no. You have a conscience though.  What do you mean like a feeling of right and wrong in your heart? You mean a conscience? Consciousness? Yeah. Yeah, animals are conscious as well. Yeah, but they don't have advanced thoughts. Yeah, they haven't like created. Yeah, but a lot of humans don't either. So is it okay to kill the ones without advanced thoughts? I think it should be based on the majority. So if the majority of beings have advanced thought. You can't just take out some minorities and just use that example. So wait a second. If the majority of beings have advanced thought, you have to protect the minority within that species? Yeah, I'd say so. Okay, so there's a hypothetical race of aliens. The majority of them have advanced thoughts. So more advanced than us. Let's just say the gap between them and us is the same as the gap between us and a cow. Yeah. All right, so is it okay for them to treat us like cows are treated by us because they have more advanced thought? I mean like once you reach a certain level, if you're aware of what's going on to a certain extent. And cows don't meet that threshold? I wouldn't say so. How do you know? I don't. Okay. Can cows feel pain, suffering? It depends on the way they're killed them. Yeah. They're killed in the most ethical way possible. So it's only okay to ethically kill. I'm against slaughterhouses and things like that. Yeah, well you get your meat from slaughterhouses, don't you? Where does the farmer get his meat from that supplies your house? He has a farm. Yeah, but where do the animals go from the farm? They go to a slaughterhouse. A local slaughterhouse. No, I'm pretty sure they're killed ethically or I don't think I would be up. Have you ever seen what happens in a local slaughterhouse? I've stopped cameras in one before. Secret cameras and watch them kill the cows in there. Why would you want to go and watch them kill them? So people like you can realise that what you're paying for is not what you think. Oh, okay. So it's not okay for advanced aliens to do the worst? Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's like a supremacist attitude. It's actually Hitler's mindset.  Bro, it was all about supremacy. The Aryan race is supreme to Jews, to disabled people, to old people.  So we have that mentality towards cows and pigs and chickens because they're not on our level. We could torch them.  Do you think farmers go in there and start watching? No, but there's legal torture that happens. Why would they want to torch them? Do you want me to talk about legal standard torture? Well, just tell me, why would... Okay. Well, they keep 60% of the mother pigs where the piglets come from in the pork industry in crates for six weeks at a time. That's just transport. No, they keep them in crates while they're farrowing. Meaning when they're having their piglets, they've had their piglets, they put them in crates so they can feed their piglets and they can't turn around for six weeks. If they reformed the farm for you and they didn't do all that stuff and they just let them roam for the whole life and they died naturally... We can't talk about hypothetical for reformed farms. But where you get your... You go in there, don't you? Yeah, something like that. You go to a local... Your parents all go meet from the local shop. Yeah. Okay, most of the animals here are factory farmed. Most of the pigs are factory farmed. Most of them are being tortured. Yeah, but let's just... But hypothetically, if they did do a reformed farm... If they didn't torture them, I would still say that it's a rights violation to murder them. Even if they didn't murder them, they just lived on a farm and they just died naturally. In the moment they died, then they shipped them off. Would you agree with that? I mean, a hypothetical world where we ate people who had passed on? No, not animals. Or would you have that position for people? Well, animals don't go around. Wait a second. Would you be consistent with people? No, because animals don't bury there. They... animals leave there. Like, if an animal... If a... Like, let's say... I don't know, a couple cows. We're talking about humans' behaviour here. We're talking about humans' behaviour. Yeah, but like, we're different. We are different. You can't argue that we're not different from animals. Yeah, I'm not saying we are different. But we share a sentence in common. We're both conscious. Yeah, but we are on a conscious and a high level.  What are you thinking about? Are you thinking about this conversation, right? Yeah, it's... You're having a bit of a, like, existential... Yeah. The consciousness is always... That we're both conscious. Animals and people are. You know? Like, babies are less conscious than a lot of animals. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That we murder. You're saying, like, say we had sanctuaries, we didn't exploit animals, we didn't violate their rights, we didn't kill them anymore. So it's some utopian world where we stopped killing animals, yeah? No, yeah, yeah. So you're a vegan, we're all vegans, right? The only time we eat meat is when you see roadkill or animal-died naturally... So you'd eat roadkill? No, I wouldn't. OK. But I don't necessarily have a problem with it. The only problem I have with it is when human beings get the lust for meat, like yourselves, like the taste of it, you start breeding them, we start exploiting them, we start killing them, because that's why people do it. Well, I think the problem is, right, is that we're veganism. Like, we live in a democracy and the majority right now are all eat... They're meat eaters, so you can't argue against that. And I think it's bad to, like, impose a view. It's what a lot of people try to impose views. Is it wrong to impose on others? Yeah, I think so. So it's not wrong to impose on animals? Well, you're not imposing on them. That's the most imposing we do. What do you think happens to animals, bro? Do you want me to show you some footage? Oh, no, not really, I don't want to see. You don't want to see what happens to them? But you eat them. You don't want to see what happens to them? You don't want to see them. Why not? But then you'll stop eating it. Why shouldn't I show it to them? It's pretty man-girly. Is it the point? The point I'm seeing? It's inappropriate. So if it's so inappropriate, I shouldn't show it to you, right? Yeah. Why would it be appropriate to put it down in your mouth, chew it up and digest it? Because I love meat. Because you love meat, yeah. But you wouldn't love it so much if you knew what happened to the animals, though. Nowadays, on the score, I was just like, rare, not rare, but it's a lot more common than to be killed in what you've made. So I've been working in animal rights for about seven or eight years. It's worse than it's ever been. I'm not surprised. Yeah, because people like yourselves are right, and I was one of them. They're sold advertising. So green grass, you see the cows and the green grass, you see the hens out on the green grass. UK has the highest welfare standards. Or it's completely disconnected. All you see is burgers. You don't see slaughterhouses, but we go into factory farms, slaughterhouses all the time. And there's investigators all over the UK who, no matter what, always pull out something horrible from these places, right? But even if they didn't, even if it was just a sanctuary that took all these animals and shot them all in the back of their head, I would still say that's just like, it's murder. I'd still be against it. But I think the problem with veganism is also it's used as an advertising ploy now because my companies, instead of really believing in it, they just use it as a way to sell stuff. Because there's a demand for it. They don't care about it. Because there's a demand for it. So they are meeting the demand. And that's why I was talking about why supply and demand is so important. Like yourself, who cares what I go in and buy? Well, it matters because then they put on more options. You stop funding slaughterhouses, right? If you care enough. It's gonna be, you don't realize how hard it is even to stop. Yeah, it's gonna be so hard to stop everyone. To vegan burger in there, dude. Do you want everyone to stop eating me? Is that what you want? Yes, but the reason for that is not to control people. The reason for that is because when they eat animals, animals are bred and slaughtered to meet that demand. Would you vote for a man, like a person to come into power who imposed a rule, a law, without any voting? They gave animals rights. Yeah, that allowed everyone, imposed a law that everyone, because that is pretty... They gave animals rights. And once animals have rights, they can no longer be enslaved and murdered so you can eat them. Do you believe humans should have rights? Yeah. And should animals have rights the ones you eat? Yeah, but like, I think that you should still be able to eat them. Well, then that's violating their rights. If you look at the food chain, that counts as main purpose. No, no, no. We're not going on the food chain. We're not going on the food chain because the food chain's horrible and we talked about the food chain because lion's straight up... Yeah, but it's natural, right? You can't stop it. It's just... We're having an ethical discussion, not a natural discussion. We want to have a natural discussion. Oh, I mean, that's pretty much right.  Snakes eat deer alive. Because otherwise they'd die. Bear eat baby deer. Yeah, otherwise the bear would die.   Do you see what I'm saying?  The question is, if humans deserve rights protecting them from being enslaved and killed and eaten in a steak or a burger, right? Why don't we extend that to animals who have a similar experience to us? You know they can suffer. Do you know animals can suffer? I believe they can, yeah. You believe they can? Like if I had a cow here and I shoved a hot iron in their eyeball, they've cow would experience that? Think so, yeah. They can also experience happy things, yeah? Joy, they love their children. So if they experience joy and suffering, they're having a subjective experience. What happens to them matters to them, yeah? So why shouldn't they have rights then? No, but I would argue that... To protect their experience. Everyone's go. Not everything, but neither can babies and children and dogs, but we still protect them, yeah? Yes. Yeah, but dogs. And what about people with severe disability? We still defend them and protect them and they still have human rights, yeah? True. Because there are human beings that probably have about the capacity of a cow and we protect them, don't we? They have human rights. That's like a very slim minority. Doesn't matter. The human rights are there to protect minorities. That's why they're there. They're there to protect everyone. And why do we exclude animals? If you think about it psychologically... Think about it. Humans, we can't... It's just, it's really weird for humans to try and connect with a cow like we do with a human. It's just to start like... There is a difference there, we can't... Yeah, but some people have this problem with different races as well. Oh, it's hard to connect with them over there. It's hard to connect, but... Yeah, but they're deluded, but I'm talking about actual people. Yeah, okay, yeah, human beings are human beings, right? And we know that now, but go back... And this racism's still rampant. You think they're deluded, yeah, but racism's still rampant everywhere. Yeah, but I'm just talking about vegan. That's racism, yeah, but what I'm talking about, the reason I'm bringing up racism is because speciesism is a form of discrimination that applies to animals.   Yeah, but in some places, shooting a dog in the head would be all right. I'm asking you. You can also, I'm talking about... Like, you know how you talk about the food show? In some, I'm just asking you. Yeah. Would you have a feeling in your stomach about me having a dog right here? So, is there a dog around? They come up to me. I'm going to take him in there and slaughter him. You pay me five bucks, I'm going to slaughter him and then make a burger out of him. No, because I wouldn't want to eat a dog. I don't like to taste a dog. Look guys, how do you know? Because I don't know, I guess. If it tastes good, would that be okay to do then? I don't know, yeah, maybe. Yeah?  I think dogs are a lot more advanced than a lot of other animals. So yeah, a cow and a fetish, a cow and a fetish thing. If there's a less advanced dog, one sec. If there's a less advanced dog, that's less advanced than most dogs. Is it okay for me to... One sec. Act on the majority of the species. We've got a majority of our species that is more advanced than the majority of the cow, majority of the dogs. So it's okay for us to kill the dogs then because we're more advanced, the majority of our species. I'm going to say more advanced. I'm saying once it... I would say once it passes a certain threshold of advanced where it can take in everything that's going on and it can feel significant emotion. And you think your cow isn't as advanced as a dog? Really? And you found out they were... I'm not a scientist. Yeah, they are. And pigs are smarter than dogs in many ways. I don't know what you're measuring.  Sentience. Experience. Yeah, well, they practically have the exact same experience because when we talk about intelligence, that's a different metric.  Yeah.  Yeah, that's my thing. And if a dog is less advanced, we can't kill them because they belong to a species that is the majority more advanced. That's your argument. But we can't kill the dogs because we're way more advanced than dogs. We can't kill them because they belong to a species that you perceive as above a certain threshold of advanced. Yeah, you know, that's the argument. It hinges on an empirical measure of dogs being more advanced than cows. So you think dogs are like one of the most advanced species out of all the mammals that we eat? I'd say they're one of the most emotionally intelligent. Yeah, but you need evidence for that. Yeah, but there is evidence. Pigs are more intelligent than dogs in many ways. And so are cows in many ways. They answer their name, they're almost equivalent. Yeah. And that's intelligence, so you're talking about sentience. Cows could be more sentient than dogs. Yeah, that's the issue. That's why I believe, at the moment, at least. Is that just to justify eating cows, or? I just think it's the same way humans, we don't go around killing people and eating them. Yeah, even though...  Yeah, so basically, the reason that your argument doesn't really work very well is because you've created an arbitrary threshold for sentience and put dogs in there. If we put humans in that metric of sentience, they're protected because they're part of a more advanced species, right? But if we create a more advanced species than us, we're already protected because we're above this threshold that you've set. It's like you're creating imaginary thresholds that we can't empirically prove yet. And that's what you're basing, like, the justification of the Holocaust of, like, billions of animals on, this arbitrary, like, sentience threshold that you've created with dogs. I agree with the law you're saying. And the thing is that it's just too hard right now to... Like, it's a big commitment. You have to admit it, to be a vegan. Yeah, to change everyone. Right now, it's a big commitment to, like, change... If you live in a family like I do, it's hard to, like, change everyone's s*** about a thing to just veganism. I think, like, if society develops in a way towards veganism, then it'll be easier. But right now, it's hard to, like, impose that view. Let me just check something, right? I get... It might be hard. It might be hard. It's a lot harder to be slashed across the throat with a knife or live in a factory farm or something like that. How many neurons do dogs have? 500 million. That's interesting. Because cows have 3 billion, so dogs have less neurons than cows. I don't know how you can empirically measure sentience, because, like... That's just how the... You don't think it's neurons? It's just the synapses and all that stuff. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah, I don't think you have any empirics to... So, if I was going to say to you, do you know for sure dogs are more sentient than cows? Yeah, so you don't. So you could be agnostic on it.  Yeah, but you've got to look back. Like, dogs, their purpose towards us is to be, like... They're used to hunt for us, you know, like back then. Why do I care? But I'm just saying, if you look at Satya now, you've seen how it develops there. Cows, we've lived alongside cows as food. That's how it's been for thousands of years. Slavery has existed for thousands of years, and human beings' purpose was to serve other people. Yeah, but that isn't as rooted as humanity, as meat-eating is. Slavery, like, isn't... What? It was pretty rooted in humanity. Every single... You want to say something? Civilisation is eating meat. Not every single civilisation has done slavery. Almost, yeah, almost, yeah. Yeah, almost every single... Meat-eating is more rooted in history. Every single advanced civilisation, slavery... I mean, we could do a bit... That's an empirical claim. I'm pretty sure nearly every single advanced civilisation had slavery at one point in time. Yeah, but meat-eating is just different, though. It's not slavery, like, you can't compare. No, but I'm just... We're not talking about that. He said because the dogs serve a purpose to us... Yeah, that's their purpose. They don't serve a purpose, you know? Their purpose is to be our companions and protectors... Yeah, and then you're saying that cow's purpose is to be shot in the head and eat, yeah? Not shot in the head, but to be eaten, yeah. They have to get shot in the head. You always add that in to make it sound a bit more dramatic. Yeah, because you skip that part out, see? You just delete that part from the equation. They have to be murdered. They're not all going to be shot in the head. Yeah, some of them you just get sliced across the throat. No, but there's now... I've thought I did it in, like, shocks now, where it's just quicker. No, not now. They can't.   But I just want to stick to the purpose thing. So if someone serves a purpose... Yeah. And that's their purpose. That's their purpose because we say it's their purpose. Oh, yeah. What gives us the right to dictate what your purpose is? What gives... Is it power? If we're more smarter than a certain species or stronger? We are. We are smart. You've got to admit, we are the most powerful species. Is that what it is? If we're smarter than a certain species, that gives us the right to dictate what their purpose is? You know, a society would not be here without the role of animals. I'm asking you a question. You're not answering the question, bro. Yeah, we're going. If we are smarter than a certain species, does that give us the right to dictate what their purpose is? Well, I think somehow, yeah, somewhat, yeah. Yeah, so even though they're sent in to experience the world, what happens to them matters to them. Because we are smarter, we can dictate what their purpose is to us. So it can be to be shot in the head, cut up into pieces and eaten, or it can be to live in our backyard or to be a protector. We just dictate that. We choose who lives, who dies because we're smarter. Yeah, is that an ethical view? Well, yeah. Is that your ethical view? Well, I think if you just look back at history, we wouldn't be here right now if we hadn't used like animals the way we have. Yeah, but I'll just ask you a question. It's the biggest key to humanity's progression. The question is, you can't admit. Yeah, but the question's still on the table. You didn't answer. I was just saying, because we're smarter, is that giving us the right to dictate what their purpose... Yeah, the answer is yes. I think so. So if a group of beings are smarter, they can dictate what another group of beings who are less smart what their purpose is, yeah? No, I'm not on that way. Because you're going to say I'm sort of, no. Yeah, because, you know, we could just take... We could just take all the disabled people... You always... We could take all the... No, I'm not. ...to make people sound like a bloody Nazi, I'm saying. It is Nazi thought. I'm not trying to make you sound like one. Yeah, it is, literally. This thing... It's a supremacist thought pattern. It's called, might makes right. Have you heard of this terminology? Might makes right? No, I don't know. Because I can do something. Because we're more powerful than a certain group. A minority or those who are less intelligent, we can do what we want to them. Because we say so. Now, we could do that to different races. We could do that to different people, people of different intelligence. A race of aliens could come here and do that to us. And we'd be screaming out, this is unjustified, wouldn't we? Yeah, I guess so. So why do we get to do it to other animals? Is that not hypocrisy? Yeah, but like, other animals had the opportunity to rise up. Like, this is a horrible train of thought, man, eh? So, like, if they don't have the ability to be able to defend themselves from us, then we can do what we want to them. Or we can dictate what their purpose is. Well, no, we, no one here has dictated it. People from thousands of years ago have to be able to live that way. If you want to live in this world, you've got to live that way. I ask you if it's morally justified, though. Well, it's not my decision. Now, this is a whole discussion is about, is it ethical to do so? You said yes. Well, yeah, I think so, yeah. I mean, a lot of people disagree because it creates like this massive moral... I think more people agree, though. Yeah, but only people who want to keep eating meat and don't see the hypocrisy in treating those who are... That's most of the world. So you can't say... That's not most of the world. Most of the world actually believe... Most of the world eat meat, though.  I mean, you don't even want to see the footage. That says a lot. You don't even want to see what happens to the victims of your food choices. So how do you see what happens? How can you be here, like, defending it? Because I don't think that's the majority in every case. It is the majority. The majority of animals are factory farmed. Well, you can disagree with facts. Just look up on your phone how many animals in the UK are factory farmed. Data. It's about 85% last time I checked. I was thinking about this, but... I'm afraid I'm going to be spoiled and off. That's nice talking to you, mate. Thank you very much. Thanks a lot. Take care. I hope that made you think a little bit. Joey Karpstrum. Take care.


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So here's the ARM V8M Secure Debug running on this right here. So who are you? Hello, I'm Marc Marino from ARM. And today we bring here a demo using the latest subsystem for IoT endpoints. So what are we looking at here? Here we have running our system Gortling SSE 200, which is the first subsystem which has a Cortex-M53, which is based on the ARM V8M. So this is ARM Cortex-M33. It's ARM core link.  Is it like a test board? It's a test board and it's a proof that we can create an endpoint subsystem based on the latest security features. So who's shipping this test board and who's using it right now? Right now we are showing what we can do to our partners. No one is shipping it. It's an ARM system. It's using the MPS to board with an FPGA. And inside the FPGA we have the subsystem in it. Can you point to... Where's the FPGA? The FPGA is below this shield adapter, so we cannot see it. And maybe what we want to show here is showing the security features that we have. So mainly what we have is we have a secure code which is booting, which is configured in our system in order to create two spaces, the secure one and the non-secure one. And when the system is configured, then the non-secure code starts to run and it's calling the secure region every 500 milliseconds. So the secure code what it's going to do is going to check this switch and based on that it's going to allow the debugger to see what is going on in the secure part or not. That is interesting because what we are showing here is that when we talk about security even we can secure the secure area against the debugger as well. So what this is a very, very interesting feature. So mainly what we are doing here, so we have the secure code which is generating a random secret value and it is storing in a secret area when we are insecure but it cannot read anything in that memory space. We can try it, so we can try to connect the board. What is this? This is a DS5. And that is connected directly to our board. So what we are going to do, we are going to try to back our code to disconnecting. And the interesting part is try to access to the address where we are storing the secret code. If you have to do it, so we are not able to see anything. It's empty. It's empty because it's secure. So now it's in secure mode. Is this the only way to do security to have two different regions? Is it hardware regions? Yes, so all the security is based on hardware. So it's imported by hardware. And the interesting part is switching from one context to the other is in few cycles. In few cycles. So this makes it interesting. So you are not adding any overhead to have that system in secure mode. And this is trust zone? There is trust zone. This is trust zone and small trust zone. It's a tiny one for Cortex-M. That's correct. So what they did is they port the trust zone to the M class to enforce the security at the endpoint. Which is nowadays is something very, very important based on the latest attacks. So in that subsystem we are securing not only from the core point of view, also from the system point of view. And here it says calling SSE 200. That's all some IP that's part of the M33. Oh yes. That's doing what in this relation? So the MP3 here we have two cores. And then we have the bus and then we have some security filters based on trust zone ones. And those filters are securing the memory. So imagine that you have, for example, a DMA and if you secure some part of the memory, the DMA cannot write on that area, for example. And we are also securing the peripherals. That's why here we can see that some peripherals are insecure. Only the secure code can interact with those peripherals. And also in our division we define which peripherals are going to be accessible from the non-secure code. And what is the communication protocol? How does it work to communicate between secure and unsecure? So we have a specific secure gateways. Is that a new designer? It's always been like this with trust zone? Always was like that in trust zone. But now there are new instructions to make the transition very fast. Right. And that is what is doing right now that system. And there's no way to hijack this part. Nobody can make it fake or anything. No, no, no. At least. No, no, no. So how it works is from the non-secure you jump directly to the one instruction is called SG. And that checks if that zone is non-secure callable. So it means, can I call it from the non-secure side? And it's like, yes, you can then directly you can jump to the function. You switch the mode to the secure one and then you go directly to the function.  So this was announced not so long ago, maybe six months ago. Yeah. The chips are coming soon. Yes. And the work is very hard, very dedicated work going on right now in the narrow with this. Well, yes. What we try to do, we try to port Sefir on that platform. Try to port also embed is porting to that platform. So we are trying to enable as much software as possible and try to show how to build secure applications on those systems. So does Sefir work with all the security already? It's implemented? It's not yet. We are working on it just to have it as soon as possible. And that's just one way of doing it. There could be other OS? Correct. So yeah, you can port other OS. At the end, what we want to show is a kind of reference that is more or less our guidelines, how you should do it, but it's open. So you can design it as based on your needs. And there's also Cortex M23, right? It's Cortex M33. And the 23? Is it similar? It's similar. So we have the Cortex M23, which is a very small one. It's a very small one. It's a very small one. It's a kind of, we can say it's a kind of Cortex M0++ security. And Cortex M33 is a kind of Cortex M3M4 and even M7 plus security. That's much bigger. It's much bigger. Can you do all this on the Cortex M23 also? Only some of it. On the small one? M23. M23. You have less things that you can do in there, but even you can make security. You have less handlers, so you have less possibilities. But the main cord, the trust on security is in there. And all the security is going to be easy for people to use, because this is going to be shipping in every single M23. Yes. So it's going to be easy for everybody to implement. Yes. We think that it's going to be very easy to implement. That's why we are going to provide, or we provide some examples, how they should do it, some guidelines to the people in order to make that development easily. And it's all in open source. It's open source security, right? That is what we would like to do. Yes. Right.


I can't make up my mind. I don't know whether the magic words this morning are Dave Stevens and the Cyber Underground, or whether it's the great hack, that movie on Netflix. This is an awesome movie. We can talk about that as much as you want. I love that. It was a great documentary. And it goes with another great Netflix especially had on Terms of Service, which the two go hand in hand.  If I have to think of a good title, I mean, I know we already have a title. What is the title? What is the title? Watch out. They're stealing our brains. You know, I don't think they're doing it. I think they're installing a remote control. OK. I think that's what's happening is we're being manipulated. And I think just to kick this off, before we go into the deep dive of how they did it, I'd like to discuss why I think it's working. And one of the problems is the American culture is very short-term, very short-term thinkers. And we have this enormous wealth gap. And you'll notice that people that, and I live this way, I'm sure you did, when we were students and we were just starving, we thought about right here, right now, well, how am I going to get through this week and tomorrow or the future later? Yeah, the future is way in the future. I can't think about that now, but that's half of America. That's more than half of America. So if you convince them that something's wrong right now, right before the election, that's the way they're going to vote. So I think 50% of America is thinking about how am I going to feed myself?  And then I'm going to vote for the other person because the election's tomorrow. And I have to eat. And I can't think about this. I don't have the time to investigate. I can't dig down. Twitter told me what's the facts. I got this news off of Facebook. I don't have time to go to the New York Times or the press telegram or read a Canadian newspaper or God forbid Al Jazeera and find out what's really going on. No, I'm just going to take. Yeah, I have soft brains. Then you can enter my brains if you like. And let me take a minute just to talk about this whole thing of the dispute. I don't know if I really call it a dispute between Facebook and Twitter on whether. Difference of opinion. Whether they should take ads or not. And Twitter said we're not going to take ads. But that doesn't mean that you can't sign up and send false information to them all day. You can do misinformation still. You just can't actually publicly declare we're putting a political ad on Twitter. Yeah, so what's the difference? Well, it's actually more pernicious if you say it in the name of news instead of in the name of an ad. It's actually a little bit better if you create what's called an online gang. An online what they call quote unquote grassroots movement, but it's actually a misinformation campaign to get people angry and against each other. And that anger causes the split second decision to vote for the wrong person. You know, at the outset when we learned about Cambridge Analytica and the IRA and research agency in Moscow and all that, I was so impressed. I said, these guys understand mass social psychology. They can figure out how to divide us and figure out how to activate these either kids or adults if you like. This is new. This is PsyOps. This has been around for 70 years. Yeah, and you and I could sit down and we could figure out, hey, what are the weak points in American social structure? Sure. What are the things that people are concerned about? They're going to be that concerned about it. They're a little concerned about it, historically. And then we make a list. And I said, say a dozen things on there. No more than a dozen things. And then we figure out what to say to them to aggravate that division. You and I, in an hour, we could figure it out. So IRA wasn't that brilliant after all. They just understood the notion of figuring out the divisions and then working the divisions. I wouldn't say fake news. It's not really fake news. It's at an angle. It's weighted. It's tilted. And so it tends to exacerbate the division. It's not that hard. And these kids with the soft brains, they don't see it coming. It's not just the divisiveness.  People are going to vote the other way, because Beto O'Rourke says, hell, yes, we're coming for your AR-15s. Well, I don't think he's going to get voted in Texas for anything anywhere soon after he said that. But that created the threat so people will vote against him. Now, you can create any kind of threat you want on Twitter, on Facebook, on Instagram. There's all these social media outlets that you can flood. But this is, again, it's nothing new. It's not just the Russians. But Cambridge Analytica figured out that they could gather 10,000 data points from every person on the planet. And they actually got 87 million Facebook users data from Facebook just by hooking up to their application programming interface or API. And they figured out all these data points. But it's not just Cambridge Analytica. Cambridge Analytica has an offshoot, another company that is their partner called SCL. They advise the Pentagon. They advise the CIA. Are you using past tense or current tense? Well, Cambridge Analytica said they went out of business. But then, yeah, well, as I've known for many, many years here in Hawaii and experiencing it in my own family, when certain companies go out of business, they pop up as another named business. Wack-a-mole. Yes, Wack-a-mole, right? You can't get it anymore. But Cambridge Analytica will pop up someplace else and keep advising the government, because PsyOps is huge. And when you add millions of data points, you push it all together, you come up with stuff you never expected. And it's not just one big, massive group of people. It's little pockets of people that you have to get excited about something or make them feel threatened. We're all learning more about it, but Brad Pasquale is kind of a genius in this. He's the guy who was the IT director of a social media director of Trump's campaign in 2016. And then he got elevated. He is now the, he can't be 35, maybe less. He's the overall campaign manager for Trump in 2020. It shows you what Trump is doing, what Trump is thinking about. And it also shows you, and I like your view of this, it also shows me, anyway, that this 2020 election is really all about social media. It's all about Brad Pasquale. And the way that Trump keeps that 40%, his hardcore base is with social media. That's why they don't leave him because they're getting twisted information all day long on the only channels they look at. Well, there's a reason they only look at those channels. And there's a lot of America that will only go and watch the news that they like, that agrees with their viewpoint. Fox News tends to do that. They speak to the base. They tell the base what they wanna hear. They'll spin the story so people think, that's right, I knew that already. I'm positive that's happened. And now look, it's reinforced by Fox News. They don't want any dissenting opinions, so they're not gonna turn on NBC, NPR, any of the other stations. They don't get that breadth of news. So when they sign up for like, connections on Facebook or Twitter, they're gonna sign up for the people that they like and agree with. So the only news they get reinforces what they believe. And so it perpetuates itself. Yeah, well, I mean, although there's MSNBC and CNN, you know, on network television that go after Trump every day, spend their entire broadcast time every day going after it. Fact is that NPR and PBS receive money from federal sources and they gotta be careful. They gotta at least appear balanced. So what you have is a dearth of aggressive news information and services that will meet Fox News at the pass. And so I think Fox News sometimes it just rules the day because the democratic side of things is a markers of Queensborough. You know, very gentle, relatively speaking. They don't lie. They don't go out of their way to make false statements. It's actual journalism. Yeah, they're practicing real journalism. Fox News is not doing that. We're actually reliving a period of history. And I don't know if you've studied the early 20th century. We're kind of reliving the teens and the 20s of the turn of the 20th century when, you know, the yellow journalism was big back then. A newspaper could put whatever it wanted out there and it saturated the neighborhood with the story. And sometimes it was the only publication out there and people read it and they believed it. It could be anything. It could be completely false, but they believed it. The moon is made of cheese. Exactly, that could have flown, just fine. And those papers that we have around now, we're practicing this yellow journalism as they call it back then. But it slowly went away. I think we're slowly gonna get out of this, but I don't see a path to that now. It's just so easy to lie and to manipulate. And we're making it easier to collect data on us because we like things for free on the World Wide Web. We like to have free email. We like to have free Facebook and free Google Docs. Every time we sign up for things, there's TOS, Terms of Service.  It's better than a sleeping pill. However, if you actually do get through that, you know, make a couple of passes at it, but when you read that, you're signing away your eternal soul. They say they will not use your data or anything other than just the purposes of that site. However, there's little provisions in there in the fine print, usually size eight font, light, gray, at the end of the contract before the submit button, that tells you that if the government requests it, they're gonna give them that data. And then- Without a subpoena. Without a subpoena. And here's how they can do that. You gave them your data. Therefore, you're no longer in possession. Therefore, you're giving up your privacy. You gave it to them. So if you're Social Security Numbers in Google, guess what? If the government asks Google for your Social Security Number, they're gonna get it. Not that they need it. It's on the dark web anyway. I found my Social Security card out there. I took a selfie with it. It was pretty funny. But that came from another hack. But Google and on Facebook, have terms of service that say, we will release if we're asked. Well, you know, here's a big question. And I know you have a good answer for it. People say, I don't care. I don't care. You can have my data. I have quote, quote. Nothing to hide. Nothing to hide. But what they don't realize is... So here, let me give you an example of how that could hurt you, right?   Well, two years ago, the Republican-led Congress proposed a bill to let medical insurance companies use your data from other online companies to aggregate totals of risk for you and to adjust your rates accordingly, just for you personally. So I'll give you an example of what came up. Someone said, well, what if I'm on amazon.com and all the clothes I buy are plus sizes? And I buy lots of candy. And I got some cookies, right? And I buy lots of kitty treats. So now I'm a cat person. I probably stay at home a lot. I'm immobile and huge. I eat cookies a lot. Medical insurance rates are gonna go up because I'm a greater risk for things like type II diabetes, right? That's pernicious. It's actually, it came to the floor of the house. It got shot down, thank God. But it was on the floor. People were thinking about this. Medical insurance companies using your shopping data to make sure that you're not a high risk for them. Now, coming in from a business standpoint, brilliant. I'm reducing my risk, right? From a personal standpoint, I hate that.  Because your rates are going up? Well, my rates went up 14% this last year. It was insane. In fact, the little raise I got at the university was overcome with the medical insurance cost increase. So I'm actually making less money on my net take home paycheck this year than I was last year, which is a sad case. We haven't even touched exactly how you can use that in a kind of a psycho sociological approach in politics. And right after this break, Dave, I like to talk about that because that is what's happening right now. Okay. I'm Duration. I'm the host of Finding Our Future on Think Tech Hawaii. Think Tech Hawaii needs you. Please help us in our fall fund drive. Every dollar sustains us. Go to thinktechhawaii.com and click on the donate button. Or send your check to Think Tech Hawaii, 904 Street Mall, Suite 888, Honolulu 96813. Your donation is tax deductible and deeply appreciated. Thank you. Aloha, this is Rob Hack. My show is exporting from Hawaii every other Thursday from 12 to 12 30 p.m. where I bring in people involved in the entire exporting infrastructure in Hawaii, including government, academia and manufacturers and shippers themselves. Please join me every other Thursday, 12 to 12 30 p.m. on exporting from Hawaii. Mahalo. Okay, Bingo, we're back. This is so exciting. Dave Stevens and me, and we're talking about, we may change the title again, but we're talking about watch out. They're stealing our brains.  I mean, let them steal our brains.  So this fellow, Parsqual, Brad Parsqual, is working on us right now. And he's working on the base right now. But he's holding the base. I'm sure he's got his kind of electronic control room there somewhere, and in the headquarters, probably in the White House actually, using government money. And he's working his base, their base. So the question is, Cambridge Analytica is not out of business, and getting data on us, including what we eat, and how many kitties we have, that's available still today. When they can get a profile on us, it's brilliant the way they do that. Little data here, little data there. They know everything about us from stuff they can get or buy. And if it's not Cambridge Analytica per se, it's the successor to Cambridge Analytica, and the IRA in Russia is all connected to that. So to me, I think we're gonna have a replay. Sorry, of the 2016 election because of it, and because of Brad. And so the question is, why do we let that happen? Why do we let that happen? Let me remind you that Congress hasn't done Jack about this. Well, until just recently, we had a Republican-led Congress who was not motivated to do Jack about this. Just now, we have a House that is Democratic-led. We're still up against a Senate that is completely Republican. We have to cast it in both houses and not get vetoed. Right, and then it's gotta get vetoed, and then you have to, yeah, we can't get a bill through. The biggest problem is we weren't motivated, and the people who are now in office, there's a dearth of people that hold office in Congress now that actually understand what's going on. There's very few of the younger generation that actually realize that when you send a text to somebody, it's open, it's not encrypted, and anybody listening in on that frequency can decrypt that, or decode that, and read your text messages. Your cell phone isn't encrypted.  That's how they got the whole Monaco-Lewitski thing, right? They were tapping the frequency for the cell phone. This stuff isn't private. And I think- And it can be aggregated. It can be huge amounts of data. That's right, and I don't think Congress or the people that hold Congressional seats right now actually understand this in depth. If they did, they would know. They don't know how to frame a question to Mark Zuckerberg. They really did not. I watched those questions, and I saw the expression on Mark Zuckerberg's face, and every once in a while, he pulled what I called the Scooby, the, oh, what did you just ask? Was that a real question? Do you understand what you just asked me? And I did the same thing, oh, that's just, hey, shaggy, what, what was that?  I had to demonstrate to some of my students how easy this was. There was students in my class, and I just picked a random name in the class, and I typed her name into Twitter, and her account was completely public. And one of her tweets, about five minutes before I typed in her name, was, this class is really boring. And there was a picture of me. So I put it up on the screen, and she was really embarrassed. I said, look, you put this up there, this is public, and not only that, it's forever. Nobody's gonna delete this, and even if they did, it's in so many places now, it propagates. You can't erase yourself, and that can be used by these people like Brad Pesquale. You know, the interesting thing is, and I'm sure that AI is involved in the analysis, it's the analysis. It's the frontier, it's the brilliance is in the analysis. So I give you a picture, a picture of Dave Stevens. I know everything about you, I know what you do, I know as much about your activities, your behavior, your conduct, your situation in life as you do. And then I take AI, and I compare that profile against other profiles. I say, gee, he sounds like he'd be soft on immigration. Let's go after him on immigration. He sounds like he'd be soft on a tax reform, reduction, bad reduction. He sounds like he'd be soft on the Middle East, whatever it is, and then they can get you with a soft brain and they can use that information, use your profile in order to send you messaging that where they're pretty sure it's gonna have the intended effect. That's the scary part. So one little data point doesn't mean too much, but when you take a whole composite and then you compare it with AI against a composite, say for somebody who doesn't like immigration, you can really do stuff. You really can and the way they do it is they create fake accounts on Facebook and Twitter and then they like you or they friend you and if you're not paying attention, you accept it. And even on Facebook, by the way, if I accept your invitation to be your friend, but your settings are friends of friends and my setting is friends of friends. Now everybody related to you and Facebook can see everything of me because I've just opened it up to friends of friends. I got to set it to just friends, but the default is everybody, friends of friends. So if you see me, all your friends can see me. So if you're hooked up to somebody who has a fake account, now they see me too and I'll get their posts in my feed. That feed comes up all the time. I get new posts. They can post those things that will push me on the AI identified data points that they think I'm soft on or maybe it's immigration or a tax cut which I'd love and they just push those ads. Hey, if you want a tax cut, this guy or you don't hear, you could vote for him and he's really big on tax cuts. Right, you're in target. I'm a target. That's right. So how in the world do we stop this? I mean, it's not so simple as agreeing to put an ad on because you can get around that as we discussed. It's not so simple as saying, I've asked you this question before, no more anonymous. I want to know everybody who's on the web. That's not necessarily directly related but make it transparent so that you know. One of my ideas is if you post something on the net, we have to know who you are.  Oh, China does that. Yeah. China has a social score now, right? And if you don't have a high enough social score, you can't even take the train. Yeah. I would argue though that there's a ways around that. As you know, I teach ethical hacking. So I can be dozens of people on the web and quote unquote prove my identity in a dozen different ways and you'd never know. And that's what people did. That's what IRA does for Russia. They have multiple accounts per person. Some persons can handle 100 different fake accounts and post all kinds of information that will manipulate us to go one way or the other. Yeah, and if you require, you know, verification of the individual and you give everybody and I a national ID card or something like that, it's scary on another level. It means some agency, maybe government, you know, knows where you live and every element. So anyway, the other thing is what do we do? What do we do? This reminds me of a combination of 1984 and Brave New World. It is indeed. Where it's this Orwellian society. Did life create the Orwellian or did Orwell create the society? Because this wasn't too long ago that you wrote the book. Yeah, it's a chicken in the egg thing. It kind of gives me the shivers. Really? So what do we do in Congress? What do we do to Zuckerberg? Because we haven't done anything to him. We haven't done anything to Twitter and the others, although they're all consolidating now anyway. So that's a big thing. You bring up something very, very special. So right around the yellow journalism time in the beginning of the 20th century, we also had a president who was a trust buster. So when I broke up these big companies and said, no, no, no, you have monopolies. You know, you say you don't, but just because you own 99.9% of everything and this person has 0.01, you're still a monopoly, even though there's two vendors out there. You're your monopoly. So when Twitter, I'm not Twitter, when Facebook took over Instagram and WhatsApp, people started raising an eyebrow. Something's really big here. Amazon has done the same thing. They controlled not only Amazon, but their entire supply chain. So when people say, well, why aren't wages going up? Because the economy is booming. Well, it's because this is like Amazon. They have the monopoly. They can control all the wages, all the way down their supply chain. All their vendors have to go to them. Walmart does the same thing. Yeah. So is it time for Teddy Roosevelt? I would say so. That's my personal opinion. I would like more options out there. Once a company like Facebook, it gets up into the hundreds of billions of dollars in value or Apple becomes trillions of dollars in value. It's time to throttle back a little bit. Google has now their parent company, Alphabet. If you looked at the amount of companies within there, they're doing brilliant stuff. Don't get me wrong. However, if they all decided to go one way, they'd take half the planet with them. I used to have a slogan, says, we do no evil. Gave it up. It's no longer the slogan. I'm not sure I ever heard that. Okay, do no evil. Way back. Okay, it must have been a way. So yeah, their first business model was, I think they were just gonna create a search engine that didn't suck. That was their business plan. And 1999 to now, 20 years later, they owned most of the land.  How about this, Dave? So on the one hand, you don't want to have to stick. You want Teddy Roosevelt to break these companies up into multiple parts. You want to not let them consolidate this way. Consolidation is dangerous. You know, for example, the conservative radio shows, all being acquired by the Sinclair radio. Oh, Rupert Burdocks. I don't know if it is. Yeah. Is that right? Well, this, yeah. Anyway, when you have consolidation like that, it doesn't favor democracy at all, aside from the economics info. So anyway, suppose I say, not only break you up, but we're also gonna incentivize entrepreneurs, small ones, who compete with you. We want them to compete with you. And maybe some of them will come up with a better mousetrap than your mousetrap. And people will like them better. And it will be threatened by them. And maybe the guys who come up, the new competitors, will say, we're not gonna sell you data. We're not gonna exchange your data. We're not gonna release your data. It belongs to you. And that would be competitive at least for me, wouldn't it? That'd be very utopian. I don't see that happening in this capitalist society. Money's gonna talk. I'll give you an example way back when Microsoft was booming, but a company came up and made Skype. Skype was great. Remember Skype, by 0608, we were using Skype and guess who bought them? Microsoft, because they didn't want to compete with them. And now it's all sucked up into Microsoft. That happens with people that make products. Their dream is to get bought out by someone bigger. And the reason is, if I created a company and I have this great idea, I don't have any money, so go to you venture capitalist. I say, hey, if you give me $20 million, we can make this fantastic thing happen. And you say, great, sell it in five years and give me 20% profit. Because that's what you do. That's your mission. So I have to sell off in five years. Who am I gonna sell it to?  Which is gonna be another 20 million. So money drives that. So I don't think that's a fix. Yeah. Well, you know what he reminds me of reading a book now about Rockefeller and my other people. It's the Rachel Maddow book, in a fact. Oh, okay. And she talks about Rockefeller and she talks about how Teddy came for him. He was an oil magnate with huge wealth at the top of the throw. He was worth, in those days, in those days, not even converted for current dollars, over $300 billion. Not bad, huh? When they say riches Rockefeller, they're not kidding. That's like as rich as Keanu Reeves. So. Okay. So then it broke up the standard oil monopoly into lots of different parts. Guess what? He made more money after that because he figured a way around it. Sure. Most of those little companies are actually part of mobile oil now. Yeah, right, same thing. So here we are at the end of our show, Dave. It goes fast, doesn't it? We ripped through that. I have one more question for you. This is a hard one now. I never promised you a rose garden day. Okay. So here we are in the state of Hawaii. Legislature created a privacy commission. What is that for? A task force. What are you going to do? Well, it's about privacy status. California adopted a privacy statute, which it's yet to be seen how that's going to play out. But, you know, people in this later are considering similar kinds of legislation to protect the privacy. And privacy means data, that's what it means. So my question to you is what is your advice to the legislature and to this privacy task force on what the state can do? Congress is kind of locked up right now, but what can the state do to protect privacy and ameliorate the risk for us, the consumer? Well, before they make a decision, I'd say go back in the past and see how things have developed from the very beginning. Because I think most of the people that are making decisions now have this much information. When there's this much information available, if you look at the past, you can start to forecast some of the future. So before you make a decision about how you're going to solve a problem, look at the entire problem. I think GDPR came out just a little bit too fast, the general protection data rules for Great Britain. I think for the EU, that was a good thing, but people didn't look at the entire history of this. Otherwise Brexit wouldn't happen. Brexit still happened. And the most popular search after Brexit happened on Google, the most popular search was, what's Brexit? Right, I remember that. Yeah, no one knew what Brexit was. But Cambridge Analytica, through social media, manipulated everyone going that way because the privacy wasn't there. That data was being released and Facebook was leading the way. So look at the whole problem, then make a choice. Right, and including the consequences. That's right. And this brings me to my final point, which I'd like to advise everyone is, this show with Dave Stevens and me covering these issues that he's shown in DOE, in every school, in every college, in every community college in the state. We got to get the level of awareness up on these issues. Just send out the link. Yeah. Thank you, Dave. Thank you. Great to talk to you.


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So we're here at the Allwinner here at Compitex 2016 and you're launching a new VR solution right here. Yes, hi, this is Eva from Allwinner. We are here to talk about the VR because we believe VR all in one will be the most popular VR type. So it will be, so right here, you're showing graph 2016 is right now. Most popular is the phone VR with the cardboard style. And suddenly the all in one, you believe is gonna increase very rapidly and overtake everything else for the VR. Yes. So why do you think that? Because I think people want to use the VR more frequently and also you can also satisfy the requirement. All right, you have the solution right here. This is a PCB. Yes, this is the PCB HVH VR ready for mass production. So everything is optimized right here with some ports and then this can go directly inside the VR solution with the low weight, good performance and look like this. So yes, as you can see, we are showing just the three of our partners product. But we have, so we have more than our partners. We have more than 20 partners ready for mass production. One of them, for example, the SunShip doing like this. So what we are trying to focus is on the video playback, not to the games because at this moment for the mobile VR is still not good enough, we think. All right, so we can see right here, there's some challenges, right? To make a good VR, you have to solve some issues right here. And what are those? Yes, at this moment, performance is one of this and also the hitness is too much hitting and also the business and the weight too heavy. Too heavy and you solve this? Yeah, in our HVH VR solution, what we provide is low heating solution as well as no business. And the weight is very low, as you can see a little bit. We want to explain for the hitness. We try to play back the 4K videos about the performance of the hit is just 60% of the competitors. So this is octa-core? Yes, octa-core, products A7. And this talks about some of the technologies also? About the business, yes. What we are trying to use is the hardware acceleration. For example, the ATW, FBR. And so the lexical display is less than 20 milliseconds. So very fast refresh rates. And what does this mean? I mean... You want the babies to have VR? Yes, very light. Just the 300... Yes, 300. 300 grams with the 3,000 mAh battery? You can play the videos for almost three hours. That's great, because... And there you have a roadmap? Yes, so we like our product manager, Charles, to talk a little bit about our VR roadmap. Hi, so you're the VR product manager? Yeah. My name is Charles. And in charge of this VR product. And now we have H8 VR mass production. So this is octa-core? Yeah. Encore takes A7, right? Yeah. And focus on the VR video all in one. Video is also, potentially, could be the biggest VR application ever in the future. Yeah. But then you have the next generation also coming? Yeah. Next generation is VR9. It just have four times performance faster. And the support besides the video, and also support mobile VR game. So that means there's a faster GPU and there's some other thing also? Yeah. Not only in the GPU, we have added the other hardware to enhance the performance. Cool.  That's even more in the future? Yeah. It's in future. And it's next year, we have released the new architecture VR chipset. What does it mean here? This is new architecture? Yeah. And with LTE built in? Yeah. And also the... AI. AI. Artificial intelligent. Yeah. How does that work? We are using the software and algorithm. So it's software algorithm, but it's hardware also for AI? Yes. Yeah. It's hardware. To provide a better experience. Yes. Better VR experience. And the last one, it means even less power? Yes. 50% lower power consumption and also twice compared with the last generation in terms of the performance. That's really cool. And at Allwinner, you also provide the 360 VR video. Yeah. This is also based on one of our solutions. V3. V3. Mm-hmm. And it's very stable already. Mm-hmm. And you have all these... It's ready for shipment. These are softwares running on it. Mm-hmm. Ready for shipment. Single lens. Can you do dual lens and 4K and stuff? Maybe there will be more and more generative performance. Maybe in the future, yes. Cool. So you cover everything. You cover from camera to All-in-one VR. Mm-hmm. And we can put those to work together. I shoot a video with the STV and also play it on a virtual reality. All-in-one. Cool. And we're looking forward to the road map with a stable, non-deasy, very good-experienced VR. And very lightweight. Lightweight. Long battery life. Yes. And high performance. Yes.


another live video from the broom of my four-star hotel I've just been sitting out here reflecting on life as I do overlooking the pool and I thought I would do a live video tonight talking about how karma is coming for the narcissist I know we always talk about karma we always talk about how bad people are going to get what is coming to them but no whatever talks about when it is going to happen or how it is going to happen we just assume that it's going to happen or some of us may not believe it when we may not believe in karma we may think that the narcissist has just ridden off into the sunset with their new supply and they're going to live happily ever after after everything they did to you after how they mistreated you and I'm sure they would like to believe that they'd like to think that they can just get away with it after everything they did they'd like to just evade their consequences but it doesn't work that way you see there are laws laws of the universe and you cannot escape these laws you cannot get away because it will track you down eventually and it's gonna make sure that you regret what you did karma is really just the law of course that affects every action has a reaction if you do something it's gonna have a knock on effect something else will happen and it will affect you and there is really no escape in it and narcissists are aware of this they fear their karma and that is why they hurry up and find a new supply in the hopes that they will protect them from their karma and in the beginning yes that may work but they're really just delaying the inevitable because karma will get them eventually it doesn't matter who they are with you have to be very careful around bad people because you could end up getting caught in the crossfire you could end up being affected by their karma just by being around them and I know many of you know what I'm talking about because when you were around the narcissist certain things happened to you and you would ask yourself why why is this happening to me what have I done wrong all I ever did was try to make the narcissist happy but nothing I did was ever good enough for them and they kept me running on this and endless hamster wheel trying to please them and nothing good came out of that so you may wonder why those things happened to you and I'm telling you the reason why it's because it was the effects of their karma and they got with you to evade the consequences of the reactions and in the beginning it worked and then karma was catching up with them and then they had to get rid of you and find someone else because you had already taken the effects of their karma there wasn't much more that could be done to you you were just getting in the way of it and knowingly now let's talk about how they will get their karma because they will get it I can promise you that what happens is that when they discard you they are really in a rush to replace you they've already got someone lined up and they are ready to advance them to the primary position the position that you once had with them in the hopes that they will take the fall for them they will protect them from their karma and that is why they often target people who are powerful successful wealthy they have a lot of money so they can just throw money at the karma in the hopes that it will go away but it will not go away they might temporarily delay it but it's still going to come back to get them narcissists are very gullible after the discard because they see you as the problem and they have a black-white mentality everyone's either good or bad right or wrong so you are bad you are wrong you are flawed so a new person must be good right perfect that's how they see it so they're very gullible someone can easily come along and sell them a dream after they have left you because they're willing to believe anything they have to to support the false narrative that something is wrong with you if something is wrong with you then it must be right with someone else it has to work with them so no matter what this new person does they're just going to overlook it they'll let this new person do whatever they want even things that they really had to go at you for they wouldn't tolerate it from you but you may see the new person do it and the narcissist doesn't even care because they have to see you as the problem this new person cannot be the problem in the beginning no matter what they do so they overlook a lot of things and sometimes they end up running into another narcissist someone who is manipulating and deceiving them a scammer a corn artist someone who is just using them and they may use them for money a place to stay their body I'm sure many of you are seeing this already and the narcissist is really going down they're experiencing the effects of their karma right now or they may still be in the love bombing phase and you haven't seen it yet but you can see where it's going just look at what they're doing how they're involved with someone and they're overlooking all of this stuff they're letting them get away with things that they wouldn't let you get away with you can already see where it's going to lead you can already see it they are going to get it karma is coming for them and they cannot escape it's the perfect setup and they deserve it after what they did to you they have to be taught a lesson they have to be given a taste of their own medicine and they will they will get that so that's it that's how they're going to get their karma and they're not going to have any support because as you've probably already noticed pretty much everyone if not all of the people that they're surrounded by a narcissist as well they're all fake people and they're not going to be there to protect the narcissist many of them don't even have the means to do that so the narcissist is going to take a fall and what is going to happen then of course they're going to try and come back to you they're going to hover you they're going to try and get you to save them they're going to try and stay at your home they're going to be asking you for money it's just a matter of time until they do that because they have no support system they're surrounded by fake manipulative people who don't really care about them the only person who ever cared about them was you so of course they're going to come back to you unless they've got someone else lined up and even then they're just trying to escape their karma again but it's going to keep coming back and it's going to get them they can't keep running forever they will get it in the end I can promise you that I've seen it in my own personal experience they always get their karma in the end so that's it karma is coming for the narcissist there's really no way out of it for them and don't intervene don't try to help them let them go through it on their own maybe they will learn a lesson from it maybe they will become a better person who knows but yeah if this video was helpful for you please give it a thumbs up let me know your thoughts down in the comments and I will talk to you in another one very soon


Russian satanic cannibal pardoned and released after fighting in Ukraine. The Russian media website 76.ru broke the news that the self-confessed member of a satanic sect who had been sentenced in 2010 to 20 years in prison for murder, cannibalism and the violation of dead bodies had been freed after completing six months of military service fighting in Moscow's war in Ukraine. According to the Kiev Post, the Russian website goes into excruciating detail about the crimes committed against four teenagers in 2008. Nikolai Ogolobyak from the Yaroslavl region of Russia was found guilty of the murders along with seven underage accomplices, one of whom was declared insane during the trial. The killings were carried out as part of a so called initiation rituals for the cult. The 76.ru report details how the sect started by torturing and killing cats and dogs before resorting to murder. Four teenagers Anna Gorokhova, Olga Pukhova, Andrey Sorokin and Varavara Kozmina were killed in two separate attacks on consecutive nights in June 2008. Ogolobyak was released earlier this month after being severely injured fighting in Ukraine according to his father. He is not working, he is recovering. His father said adding it is unlikely that he will be taken to the special military operation again. Russia's Defense Ministry and the Wagner mercenary group recruited heavily from Russian prisoners in late 2022 and throughout 2023 to make up for manpower losses during the so called special military operation in Ukraine. Convicts were promised pardons in exchange for as little as six months of military service.