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Send the name I just read to iTunes at mindbumpmedia.com. Send your shirt size, your shipping address, and we'll get that right out to ya. You finish off my Saratoga there or what? I know you have a sparkling water. It's the Saratoga. It's all gone. It's your elite mineral water. I'm drinking Mexican water. You know what? Can I say something real quick about Mexican water? I love Topochico. What's that? We were talking about marketing strategies and stuff like that. And we talked about Brussels sprouts. How that used to be, if you had to represent, if the food had to represent, all things discussed, I think it was Brussels sprouts. Oh, yeah. That was the reference. You'd be like, Brussels sprouts. Oh, that's gross. It's like Brussels sprouts. Now all of a sudden it's everywhere, right? Oh, yeah.  Yeah. Because when I was growing up, Mexican water, if you drink Mexican water, that just means instant diarrhea. I don't know if it's a great market or not. I haven't, until we went to Austin, I'd never even seen that before. How about this in Whole Foods? Yeah. Yeah, but I didn't know about it. I haven't seen it everywhere. The fact that we're selling, I think it's emerging in its popularity. The fact that we're selling water for Mexico is crazy. Is it technically from Mexico? It's made, it's bottled, and the spring is in Mexico. It's Mexican water. The spring is actually in Mexico? Yeah, someone will read the background. Yeah, read it, because I don't know if I believe it. It's like the important one. Wow.  Made in Mexico. Yeah, what are the, you know what though, when you say something like that, like made somewhere, like. Bottled at the source, which is in Monterey. Monterey. So it does say that. Wow. Wow. It's bottled water, dude. I'm telling you, when I was growing up. You knew that or they just really got over on you though. What? That it's really that good. You don't say it, it's, or. Chico? It is. No, we've all been on the kick for a minute. It's got a level of bubbliness to it. I don't know if that's a technical term. It's the perfect blend. I don't know, whatever that is, as far as like how much carbonation they put in it, it's just like perfect. I'm going to say something that's going to offend all my Italian people, but I may like it better than San Pellegrino. Oh my God. Blasphemy. I love San Pellegrino. So I haven't, it's not definitive yet. I'm on this Saratoga cake over here. I really like this. This is from New York, I think. Of course you're going to get some bougie water. It's all blue, like a blue bottle. That's probably like a $10 bottle right there. Is that what it is? It reminds me of Voss.    I think it's crazy that when we were kids, that market didn't even exist. A bottled water? How crazy is that? I know.   We all just drank out of the hose. 100%. That was fine. Right. Everyday law, faucet or hose. Actually my parents bought a water purifier when I was probably 12, but that's because my mom's brother, my uncle, is a health and wellness fanatic. He's the guy that has the, he's a Chinese herbalist.  And so he was the one that talked my parents into getting reverse osmosis water filters back when that shit was Not popular. Expensive. It was really expensive. So we were the first ones to have reverse osmosis. I find it fascinating that we pay that much money for water that we didn't before. There's a lot of little things like that. You know why I do it now? It's crazy. I do it now because they, because if they put fluoride and stuff in water. Now in San Jose, I think it doesn't have fluoride yet, but I know they're going to start adding fluoride.  It just tastes horrible.  It's disgusting. I was at somebody's house who didn't have bottle water and I tried it for a second. I'm like, you don't bottle it? Okay. How's your sink water? Oh, no, it's fine. It's fine.  Pennies.  Come on.  No. Every kid put a penny in his mouth at one point. No wonder you have money issues.  This kid was eating money. No wonder, Justin. He was like, I mean, I did that. I tried a silver dollar. That was as far as I could go. Yeah. I only sucked on paper money, bro. I'm not cheap.  Oh, my God. Stop it. You win. Yes, I did, dude. It was my best friend. Like, I'm fucking... There's rules of like... Your best friend is fired. Like, if it was just a friend, I'm not going, dude. I'm not going to your co-ed invite any of my friends. This is like my go. Can I make a general... This is my childhood best friend. Can I make a general sweeping statement? What's that? Can I have permission to do that?  Oh, my boy was the same way. He's a guy. I don't even know. There's a bar there. Why are we letting this happen, man? Like, what is wrong with us? That's exactly what's going down. We're letting it happen. Like, put your foot down.  Okay, so this is not for us. We now have co-ed baby shower. We now have gender reveal party, and we now have engagement party. In addition to the wedding, I'm like, look at my boy. I'm like, man, the reveal, like three grand deep into you, bro. We have a reveal party. Come on, man. It's a boy. Oh, cool. You can just text me that. It's funny because I told Katrina we can't afford any kids because we're going to go to all these goddamn parties for our three friends that have had. You know what's funny? They're just trying to get more gifts. I'm trying to think of something right now. What is a traditional male thing that we do that we don't have our girls or girlfriends come to? Bachelor party. It's a poker night. Poker night. Fishing trip. Yeah. Anything outdoors.  You don't want to be that guy. Yeah. Well, not only that, but we enjoy just our male company. I think women don't like each other so much. I think it's a brilliant strategy by women. Like you earlier alluded to, which is to get more gifts. That's what it is. It's like you get more gifts? Do they get more gifts? Oh, this crate. Check this out.  So there was like, and there was over a hundred people. Also the whole family. A hundred people. I mean, they were booze. We had to, okay, three trucks. My Denali included plus two other full beds of Chevy's filled the gifts. Wow. Three trucks, bro. Wow. Worth the gifts. Yeah. That's loot. Yes. She raced it in. They were at Amazon. They were registered at Amazon, at Target, at Nordstrom's, and I think Best Buy, like four things. My Lord. And there must have been a hundred options for me to purchase.  Didn't you? I saw the video you posted.  Yeah. That was the only game that I was involved in. So this is, so this is the only way, the only way that we're going to, we're going to prevent this from happening.      You're doing your thing. You are not that guy. I don't have any videos stuck in on a baby bottle. That was me calling myself out on that, but you better believe it is, you are less likely to be the guy to put his foot down. Yeah. If your girl says it's going, I actually know I'm lucky because with, now of course there's close people that we both know and all that stuff, but she's just as likely to not want to go to one of those as I am. So I kind of look out on that. You know what I'm saying? She's not into baby showers? No, thank God dude. She doesn't like, she doesn't like all those baby shower party type things. And she also doesn't like to dance at like weddings and stuff. So it's like, I won the lottery dude. Oh yeah. Because so, I'm a dancer at weddings.  I'm not. I get down. You do. You got some moves on it. I've seen you move. What else are you going to do there?  Drink. Get drunk and dance. Drink. Walk outside. Go for a walk outside.  That's true. You could do that. That's me. All cynical. In the corner. Marriage.   I had one of those.  They are a bit of a hustle dude. What do you think about it man? So this weekend I had the father daughter dance with my little girl. That's right. I saw pictures. That looks great man. Oh dude. It's her favorite time of the year bro.  And this was a masquerade ball thing.  Did they theme it different every year? They do. Oh wow. So I brought her a corsage and we did the whole deal and we get there. So I didn't go last year because I missed last year. Remember I had to make up for it with the Disneyland trip. Disneyland thing. But I went the previous year and the previous year after that and at these father daughter dances my daughter, as soon as we walk in she sees her friends and they go nuts and they run off. And then me and the dads kind of chill and watch them and every once in a while a slow song will come on and we'll go dance with them. This father daughter dance was different. My daughter only wanted to dance and hang out with me. That's it. Oh wow. What's that like being a dad? I must feel good. It felt good but it was almost like, I don't know it made me emotional like you don't want to go dance with your friends. No I don't want to dance with you. She's just clinging on you. We danced all night together. We invented new dances together, made a handshake together, did all these fun things. Oh that's rad. Yeah it was a lot of fun but it was really cute. And then I'm watching all these other dads who are with their daughters and you see, because it goes up to eighth grade of the school, right? So you see 12 and 13 year old girls, which when I was a 13 year old kid, for the most part, 13 year olds don't want to dance with their parents. Right. They don't want to do that. Yeah. You get like embarrassed at that point. You do right? But this school and the community around it and it is a Catholic school and then they have this dance regularly so I think these girls have been going to these dances with their dads.   Like just a simple fact that you're probably right. I don't know. I'm completely speculating because I don't have children and so I don't know what it's like to be able to dance with eighth graders but I remember being in eighth grade and I most certainly would have not wanted my mom to come chaperoning or anywhere near it. Right. So do you think that's because the kids have different types of morals? Were they because they go there? Do you think there's structure? If I had to guess, I would say first off they do these so they do them so public schools don't do them for the most part.  It's not inclusive.  It's so dumb. It's like the cut your nose off to spider face type of thing but so I think they do the dances so that's number one so these kids probably have been going to them for years with their dad. The second thing is it is a Catholic school and say what you will about, you know, religion, there's good and bad but one of the things that I've recognized that I've always recognized with organized religion is they have a very tight community so everybody, you know, and they kind of have shared morals at least they try to, right? And family seems to be one of those things. So walk me through this because I'm really interested in this especially being a guy who isn't like, doesn't profess to be Christian or Catholic or anything like that. You don't adopt any religion. So when you get into situations where you have all, you know, Father-Daughter dance and you're around all these other dads, is it like church talk, a normal talk and a lot of them are normal guys. No, it's normal stuff. So you're not, it's not all this, you know, talking about the Bible. Do you like take them to dinner beforehand or like is that all part of it or do you do that afterwards? Usually they do. I didn't this last time but usually you do do that. You'll take your daughter, you know. Almost like a date.  You know what to mean? I think it's so smart that they do this because and I think you said this two years ago, two or three years ago when you're talking about the way you just over the top, you get dressed up in a suit and you get down on your knee and you put the corsage on her and you take her to dinner and you do all this time. I mean, how smart is that as a father because it really sets up her expectations for a man? Mm-hmm. You know, and it gives a good example. Right, otherwise, otherwise dad could become like the parent all the time, right? You're just the dad who drops the hammer when mom can't get through to you or like that and you're always like this, you know, authoritative position in the family but then to integrate something like this where the daughter gets to see this side of dad where he takes you on a date and dances with you That's important. and creates dances and a handshake with you. I mean, I just think that that is so powerful for what you're teaching her at a young age of what she should expect another man who takes her out. It is. You are as a father, you are the example of what a man is to your kids, to both male and female, but to a female because she's most likely going to, you know, probably want to date guys or whatever at some point, you are the example of what that is and it's not just how you treat her, it's how you treat her mom, how you treat people around you. And it's funny because you're right, this dance is a great time to really put that in practice but it's only one time a year and something that I've been, you know, reading about more recently is if you think about, you know, every morning when you wake up your kids and you get them breakfast and you get them ready for school, that whole process might take, you know, maybe 30 minutes, right?  So it's more important than the dance is what you do every day, the small stuff. You know how they say the small stuff matters? It literally does because it's stuff you do every single day.  And so I know that if I'm the kind of example to my, and because we're talking about my daughter, to my daughter of, you know, he's caring, loving, but firm. He's got integrity. So he says what he means. He means what he says. He's not violent. He doesn't, you know, push dominance through his, you know, intimidation. But at the same time, he can be very protective or whatever. Like these are things that I would want in a man that she would date. And rather than telling her, this is what you should look for, you just kind of show her and, you know, and that's her example.   Horny and they want to have sex and they might want to push it a little bit. And if a young girl feels confident in herself and she's seen the example of her father and she's not ready to do these things with a boy, then she's gonna feel okay rejecting him because she has that confidence in her. Now, if she didn't have that confidence, if she didn't have that role model, then she may feel like rejecting this boy is gonna be devastating to her because now she's not getting that approval. So she's gonna do things maybe she won't, she doesn't want to. Dude, I tripped. How far have you gotten beyond, have you gotten into the parenting part with Jordan? Doctor, yeah, the 12 rules? Yeah, dude, there's some really good stuff in there. He dives into the how important those formative years are between like three to seven years old with kids and how much of our relationship as a parent with them really imprints them for the rest of their life and sets them up for her. What I'm really enjoying about his book is it's confirming a lot of what it kind of felt but didn't have necessarily the words to put to. But really, you know, what separates humans from animals is our ability to, our cognitive ability, our consciousness, our ability to think things out and this kind of moral code that we develop, that we learn, is imperatively important. And for people who say no, it's not that it's innate, that humans naturally will don't need to be taught these things or learn these things. Your evidence is the 20th century. Like, look at the 20th century.  So like, when your moral code became communism, where communism was the abolishment of all everything, it's all about, we're all equal, we're all the same, and we're gonna push forward this ideal by any means necessary. You have millions and millions of people being killed.  And so it's important that we understand that the things that we have as morals aren't just arbitrary bullshit. They actually serve a purpose. It's funny, I watched a documentary this weekend that I highly recommend everybody watch. It's on Netflix, I recommend you guys watch it. It's called Revolution, the next sexual revolution.  And they were interviewing the kids and following them around. And as an adult watching it, I can clearly, and I guarantee you guys will do the same thing when you're watching it, I can clearly see that these kids are doing what they think they're supposed to be doing, not because it's making them happy. Like the dudes are like, oh yeah, I'm being hella chicks. That's the goal. I don't even care. And they're like, what's her name? He's like, I don't know her name. And they laugh. And the guys are like, yeah, it's cool. And they're trying to sleep with as many girls as possible. But really as a guy watching that, I can completely recognize and realize and identify that they're doing this entirely to show off to their buddies. It's entirely to be the masculine, whatever. Because they don't really want to.  They don't really like all of them. And maybe there's a one or something that they're really attracted to, but the rest of them are just to show off to your friends. And then they were showing the girls. And the girls were saying the same thing. And the girls really are doing it because they want that approval. They were showing this bikini contest where girls were on stage dancing. And then they're getting coerced to show their boobs while they're on stage. And afterwards when they interview the girls, they're like, well, you know, it kind of felt empowering because I wanted to do it. But then the crowd was telling me to do it. And then I kind of didn't want to do it. But I felt like I had to. And you can tell it's like these kids are happy. There were some reserves there, but they just like overrided it because they thought that's what they had to do. The kids are not happy. And then they're interviewing these psychologists afterwards.   Because when you make a connection, you can't, it can't be meaningless. Disconnect like immediately as you go it into it. And so what's happening is that because you have to disconnect in order to do this, they're going into it forcing that disconnection where I don't care, whatever. It's just the body. And the crazy thing about that is when you view someone else that you're sleeping with as just the body for pleasure and it doesn't, then it's meaningless. There's no connection. You're simultaneously making yourself that as well because you're the other side of that equation. Exactly. And they're talking about how like, there's a lot of depression and stuff around this. This type of mentality. Because it's not meaningful anymore. It's right. You've extracted all meaning out of it.  They're getting, and the funny thing is. How old was the age group here? They're all college students. So like 21, 22, 23. Where did you watch this on? Netflix. Netflix. It's on Netflix. Documentary? Yeah. And I swear to God, it's kind of. You remember the name of it? Yeah. It's called Revolution, the new sexual, let me double check. I always thought about that. Because if all those girls got wild and all these things that exist forever now, right? This is a moment in time where kids are just being kids and trying to figure it out and all this.  And then, of course, somebody within that time period that was on that video is going to look back. What do you think they're going to think about themselves? Well, think about it this way, too.  Think of the things essential to that. Because it never happens, or at least it almost never happens, when you're just out in public, you're at the store and you see someone, hey, let's go have sex. Pretty rare. Usually you have to have, be in an environment where there's a lot of alcohol or drugs. So you literally have to take yourself out of yourself. It's loud music.  It's dark.   You have to disconnect from everything to do this thing. To do all inhibitions. To do this thing that you think you're supposed to do or this is what I'm supposed to do. This is what makes me cool. And then you end up becoming unhappy because meaningless anything, disconnected anything, meaningless anything is... It bounces right back on you. It's kind of sad, right? And it's not no judgment, of course. I mean, I think...  I fall for her and then we have sex. That's different. I bet you that's rare. I bet you most of the time it doesn't happen. The other argument to that though, to, you know, just play devil's advocate is part of that is part of the process of finding who you are and what you like and what you want. You want too. Could be. Could be one of those pendulum things. It is. You have to look at the other extreme of that, right? The household that I grew up in, which was I signed a purity card. I wasn't going to have sex. Super restricted. Right, super restricted.  And I'm sleeping with all kinds of different girls that are all different and all along that process I'm kind of figuring out who I am and it's less about like this, am I connecting or not connecting? I'm trying to figure that all out because I was so deprived of this type of interaction and relationship growing up. Or it was demonized, right? Exactly. That's what it reminds me of. It reminds me of like drugs where, okay, here's a good example. Alcohol, let's use the alcohol example. Alcohol is, you're far more likely to binge drink alcohol in America as a kid becoming of age than you are in Europe.  Because they're exposed to it constantly. Because it's not. It's not a big deal. It's not demonized. Right, yeah. You know what I'm saying? So I think, I don't think sex should be demonized because I think that's a different type of dysfunction. But what we've done is we've taken the pendulum and swung it in the opposite direction where we're like, it's not a big deal. It means nothing. That's what you're supposed to do. You should do it.  You're a young guy.  That's how you're going to show your manliness. If you don't, you're not a man.  You know what I'm saying? Like, I can't say no. Well, I didn't because I grew up differently, right? Where do you use that? So yeah, for me, there was a lot of pride in saying no. And being a guy, knowing that all the other guys were feeling the pressure to do that and it was a competition. And the fact, now, I'm also lucky too because I don't know what it would be like if you were a man in my situation who didn't get a lot of opportunities or girlfriends or things like that and then also was holding himself. That might have been a different situation because my friends couldn't make fun of me because I always had more girlfriends or I had more girls that wanted me than them. I was just choosing to refrain from that. So that was a little bit easier situation for me. So it was like a pride thing that like, hey, I have these options, but I choose not to do them. You know what I'm saying? So I guess it really depends on... It's funny you say that because we have this belief that a dominant male in, you know, throughout history or whatever, a dominant leader, had access to lots of women and slept with lots of women. Well, it's because a gang is gone.  But what they're finding... But here's the thing though, what they're finding is there were rules of... The irony is there's way more power than not. There is. There's way more power than not. And I put that together as a young teenage boy. Women put that together a long time ago. Women figured that out a long time ago. I put that together in my teenage years. But it's not only that. Let's say we're all in a tribe, right? We're evolving, we're not evolving, but we're hunter-gatherers and we live in a tribe of 40, 50 people or maybe in a community of 150, 200 people. And there's a man that is the leader.  That's what people think. People think the dominant guy is the strongest, toughest man in the tribe. I don't know. Jared Peterson covers this. It's more so that he's the guy who... He's the guy everybody wants to live. Right. Not only is he strong and he's tough, but then nobody either wants to overthrow him either because he's not punking everybody. Right, because if it was really a violent, dominant, you know, evil guy, well, five guys could take him out. When's he gonna sleep? You know what I mean? So, really, it's the guy that all the other people want to lead. Now, that does make him extremely attractive to all the women of the tribe. Right. And if he really wanted to, he could probably have any woman, but he doesn't because if he did, then he would immediately get taken down or killed by the other men. Right. So, really, it's the fact... The resent builds up. Yes, it's about the fact that he can, but he doesn't. Yeah. And that's really what it's like. That's really the whole maleness when it comes to being able to...    But now as a grown man, I'm watching it and I'm like, whoa, like... Yeah. These kids are really trying hard to do what they think is cool, but it's kind of not... Well, it's hard. Yeah. And like as you're going through that process, all the testosterone, it's just like muddies. The way that you even think and assess, whether things are a good idea, whether they're not, obviously the risk goes way up. And so the excitement towards, just like experiencing all these new things. And so, yeah, I think us watching that now with maturity and assessing kind of what's going on, it's a totally different perspective. What did you think about? What did you... Here's a touchy third-rail topic. Oh, here we go. What did you think about his theory on disciplining and spanking and things like that? Did you remember that chapter? We got into that? I did. I did. And I don't disagree with him. Really, the whole, I guess the foundation of that chapter was, have a few rules, but be solid with them, but don't have a ton of rules. Like if you have too many rules, it's like government.  And this is what happened with prohibition. Prohibition, when they passed it, so many people broke the law that they found that people became law breakers in general. It's like once you cross that last few... Well, he got into studies that talk about, you know, kids that had no structure or discipline when they're younger, the rate of what they would potentially be as adults, like what they would turn into. And it's like... Yeah, he said, have a few rules. He said, give them the minimum required dose for discipline or whatever. So like whatever the least amount you can do, that'll get the point across. Right. That's what you need to do. The little micro corrections. Well, just something that's effective, but the more than that. He made a point, though, that choosing, opting not to spank them over something like that they did that's really bad, right? Like let's say, for example, our kids, let's say we all have kids and they're playing together, and my kid walks over and hits your kid out of nowhere. For me to not make a big deal about that immediately is gonna do more harm to that kid later on than if I walk over and whacked him on the hand and say, don't you do that and scare him. He made that point very clear that parents that are so anti, because we are on this. Yeah, the severity of whatever that interaction was. Like it has to, you have to meet that. Well, really what he's talking about is this generation of parents that are afraid to for their kids not to like them. They're afraid to discipline or punish them at all. He says it's in our nature that these kids will, your kid will, he's going, it's part of growth. They're gonna dominate you. They're going to treat you exactly. They're going to flirt with their boundaries. You don't set those boundaries. Those boundaries will just keep extending, extending, extending. And so learning to nip it as soon as you see it at three, four years old right away and address it. Oh, I've always known that. It's so important. But the reason why I bring it up, because it's a controversial topic right now because of laying hands on a kid is like absolutely absurd. Well, here's the thing. I don't, I particularly don't spank my kids because I'm effective with the other stuff that I do. Does that mean that it's off the table? No. If I had to use it, I probably would, but I just haven't, you know, I've only spanked my kids twice. It was terrible.   Now, if I had a kid where that was something that I had to use, you know, then I don't know, you know, but I was spanked as a kid. I think I turned out okay for the most part. Right. But you know, there's, there's spanking and there's beating, right? And all that. Huge, huge difference. And there's things that I think are, I think there's things that are called for and there's things that are not. Like, and he talks about this. He says, you know, coming home from a stressful day, work all day long and irritated and frustrated from your job and then wife's mad at you.  That's a total. He's not talking about that. Like, and I agree with that.  That's bad behavior. You're teaching them bad things that way.  I've had issues like that too. Like, so, you know, the severity of it, right?  And so, you know, for me, it's a matter of like, I have to remove myself from getting super pissed off like right away. So I'm like, we're going to deal with this. So I can, I can assess like how I'm going to handle this specifically and what the severity of the punishment requires. And so I can breathe and sort of meditate on it. And then, you know, even if, which did require a spank, but the spank itself is just, it's a corrective sort of a technique where it's like, you get a snap, it's not, I'm not hurting them at the same time, but I'm, it's a, it's the anticipation of it. Well, you're training his brain at that point. Exactly. You're training his brain to know when he does behavior like that, there's a negative reaction. That's what that is. You're getting them out of that process. Or if they're going to put a fork in the socket or cross the street when they're not supposed to. Yeah, he mentioned things where you're putting harm on someone else or danger to yourself. That's like the severity spectrum. There's a few things with my kids that are like non-negotiables.  Like one of them's integrity. If I, if you show any signs or anything that you're going to steal or cheat or lie or be that kind of person, which kids will test a hundred percent. In fact, it's a sign of intelligence when kids lie and do that stuff. They're testing their boundaries or testing things. That is a big non-negotiable for me. You will demonstrate integrity. You will be an honest person, hands down bar none. The second thing is violence. You will not use violence except in self-defense. So you're not going to hit other people to try and dominate them. You're not going to, you know, my son's not going to hit a sister vice versa, you know, those kinds of things. And the third one for me was you are going to be a hard worker.  Because I know in life, and I know how the world works, at least where we live here in the U.S. that if you're a hard worker, you're probably going to be okay.  I don't care about all talent you are.  How you do anything is how you do everything.  I know. I try and always stand on top of the integrity piece myself. It's just like that. That's something I'm always monitoring to see where it is. Yeah. And then, oh, so here's something else in the current events here. So check out this headline here. Some scientists believe that kids with IQs in the top five to 10% of the population are at especially high risk for ADHD misdiagnosis. So they found that kids who are really, really smart tend to get diagnosed with ADHD or ADD and then get medicated as young kids, which is terrible. And I've been talking about this for a long time when it comes to the school system, especially the public school system, because it's public because it tends to be centrally controlled by the state. They kind of look at the middle. And if you fall off on the ends, you're kind of fucked. Although if you go off the low end where you're struggling and you're having a tough time, they have programs and stuff in place. If you're on the high end, there's nothing.  Yeah, you are.  How many kids that are gifted are being medicated out of their gift right now? Think about that. If you think back to Bill Gates or the Elon Musk's of the world, I wonder if when they were kids, if they were kids today, would they be put on medications? And then would that have prevented them from being who they were later on who are these great creators and disruptors? Yeah, I know. Who's to say, there's definitely the way that school is structured. There's certain people that do very well within that structure in the rule system and sitting down and learning and digesting and gurgitating information. You know girls do better than boys at that, right? Yeah, I know. I did terrible at that. I wanna get up and move and I want applicable knowledge. I want knowledge where I'm actually doing something.  Extra curricular activities to you as a parent can pursue. It was a trip because after I've read the 12 rules I'm sitting in, this was just this weekend, right? I'm sitting at Target and I'm in my boot so I can't really walk around much and I sit down because my back's starting to bother me so Katrina's kinda like shopping for the baby shower and I'm sitting down and I'm in my phone so I'm not really paying attention so obviously people around me aren't really paying attention to me either. I'm just kinda sitting there still like a statue and this mother is looking for her daughter and her daughter, they connect right at me, they find each other at me and she's probably, I don't know, 12 years old or so somewhere there, give her a take a year or two and her mom just comes unglued at her and starts yelling at her and shit because she couldn't find her in the store for like 30 minutes and she was looking all over for her and I get it, as a parent there's probably fear that happened there, frustration that happened, lots of stuff but she just comes unglued and when she starts yelling at her, you know what she yells at her about? This is what tripped me out instead of letting the daughter know how much it scared her as a mother and the safety and things like that and like communicating to her, she starts yelling at this girl about her day.  That's tough. Like I get being frustrated I get all that stuff but you don't realize how important if you are going to come at your kid hard like that you've got to be thinking about how much of this is my emotions and my own shit that I'm putting on my kid that then later on is going to teach them so many things because now Katrina and I were talking about in the car about that because I told her because she didn't see and I was kind of sharing with her like man think of all the things that you're teaching that kid one that it's okay to do that in public two it's okay to yell at your kid like that three it's okay to hate your fucking job too because you're talking about how miserable 12 hours a day at work because there's so many bad lessons that are getting taught there I feel like the straw that broke the camel's back probably in the store and I feel like what she's teaching her kid is I had a shitty day in your part of my shitty day right you know what I'm saying right right yeah not the real thing was not I saw what really happened like I could totally understand even not having a child how scary that could be for a parent to not be able to find them but really what it was she was more angry about it's been a long day of work she's been on her foot it's more inconvenient for her to find her be looking for her kid for 30 and then the combination of I wonder if she's like a single parent you know what I mean and like these are all factors of like where the elevation of stress it just amounts to like a degree that's like like so insane the hardest thing I have I tend to have a lot more empathy in that situation you know with the parent but at the same time you have to check yourself on that like that's your portrayal that's all your emotional you know like you can't let yourself get to that volume that's where it becomes really problematic and your kid like ends up getting all the brunt of like your problems yeah I think you know the challenge as a parent is to because I think all people have some level of damage and stress or whatever is to not to pass it on you know what I mean I mean how challenging is that I know me when I don't feel good well that's what's going to happen and I look at this with my this is really tough because it doesn't guarantee that your kid is going to be a fuck up it doesn't guarantee that your kid but it definitely increases the chances that they're going to follow down the same footsteps as these bad choices that you made as a parent and I'm watching that happen to my two youngest siblings you know it's a really tough thing being the older brother and watching them literally follow down the same exact path as my two parents did and all the troubles and the shit that they went through growing up and it's like and it's tough being the oldest and then having it I have a good relationship with both my mother and my stepfather and you know to think that this is really this is a result of how you parented these kids for you know 15, 18 years of their lives and now your heart breaks and you're frustrated with the decisions that they keep making and they keep fucking up and doing what do you think was going to happen yeah what do you think that was going to happen like I'm fucked you're lucky me and the other one turned out okay you know what I'm saying because we are so adamant about being so different that we fucking went the other direction those two they thought that this was life this is the norm and so they don't even they can't even see outside their life and what they're going through because it looks just like a reflection of my parents and then they bullshit they went through and like you said the language she used like you know that's the type of stuff you really have to assess the language you use with kids because yeah if you're projecting that all on them like this is their fault and you know that's where it's just it becomes this thing where it's like they feel that and then this becomes like a massive issue you just you end up turning into your parents I mean the physical representation of that is very clear with the obesity rates that you see with kids is crazy and inevitably both parents also obese they're all eating this terrible food that causes other problems on top of it it's an interesting conundrum you know it's an interesting situation that I think it requires I think it requires more awareness I think people are so just it's that yeah I just don't think they're aware you know like we just I just talked about the ADD-ADHD thing do you know that there are clear studies that show dietary changes have a profound impact on the kid if they have ADD or ADHD oh yeah but to us that seems so obvious it has a clear impact it's a very clear impact so I would venture to say a good chunk and I don't know what the percentage is because I'm not a researcher doctor but I bet you a good chunk of kids would go off their medications if their diets were changed and if they incorporated exercise you know what the problem with that is the problem is as a parent your kid eats what you eat and so for a parent to either give their kid a pill or change everybody's diet they're gonna go with the easy one well it's interesting too like and this is somewhat of a weird plug for brain FM but like how they were talking about like getting passes of the FCC of FDA about like experimenting F for ADHD that would be cool which would be which would be great just as an alternative to just taking chemicals all the time well I'll tell you what man so I just did another 72 hour fast this weekends I plan on doing one every month the first or second probably the second weekend of every month I'm gonna do what are you using to get out of it when you come out of it like I know you do your bone broth and then you do anything else or just so I initially broke it with bone broth I also made my own bone broth for the first time in a crock pot which came out just exceptional and what I'll do is I'll take the bone broth and I'll blend it with a little bit of ghee add a little bit of salt and it's fucking delicious but but that's what I that's the first meal that I have to break the 72 hour fast I'll have like a cup of bone broth then I'll wait a couple hours and then I'll eat something else and then that's pretty much it was so easily digestible that way I can eat some minerals and some proteins it's crazy how sensitive my stomach felt like with everything even like with vegetables and things like that like it's when you come off two or three days like that the first couple days after a fast you got to be careful how much you feed yourself and stuff or you could have do you find like using because I was using like the Organifi green juice and everything while I was doing that do you find like that's a better strategy when you first come out of it or going straight to veggies like what's your thoughts on that so this time I've been doing lots of research into the carnivore diet and all meat diet I'm not going to be a carnivore I'm not going to go into it but it makes perfect sense from an evolutionary standpoint that there were probably times when you just ate meat and there were times when you just ate vegetables and there were times when you ate both it's whatever you had kind of how you approached vegan based and stuff like that so and I know my gut is I have a very sensitive obviously gut I have lots of gut issues first off the 72 hour fast is the best thing I've ever the singular best thing I've ever done for that best thing I've ever done is that when I go without food for 72 hours and then I start to refeed myself it's fucking my gut becomes incredible so that's number one number two the cognitive and emotional benefits I get from it or now that I've done it two months in a row and that's one of the reasons why I want to do it every month because if I do it frequently I'm going to get more connected to the changes it's doing with my body not just the obvious ones but the subtle ones but my mood holy shit man it's like it's like an antidepressant and I become way more energized almost like if I have coffee but I don't which I'm also off coffee by the way so I haven't had any caffeine I feel amazing so I feel good it's very good for my gut and researching with this carnivore diet I know that plants tend to be if you're going to have an intolerance to anything the animal products will be egg whites and dairy and then everything else tends to be plant gluten that's why I was wondering what you thought about the strategy of using the green juice to kind of ease yourself back in what's your thoughts I'm going to do that in five days so in five days I'll start doing the green juice and stuff like that from Organifi but right now what I'm doing for the next five days is I'm only having meat some egg yolks maybe and bone broth and that's it what's interesting too and I want to see what happens by the way I don't know if it's going to be great for me a lot of people attribute red meat to having like a very inflammatory response towards it I'm curious to kind of see like you know with a carnivore diet like how you know you work through that well so I know myself and I know that I get inflamed as fuck when I have gluten sugar you know those kinds of of course dairy because I have an intolerance to dairy but it's I usually don't have inflammation or issues with me I don't either so for me it's some people have told me that right and I'm sure that happens for some people but I'm going to try it for five days see what happens see how I feel because you know I don't know we'll see but I am going to be incorporating this fast every month after I do it during first off I tested my ketones on the p-strip I know it's not super accurate but if it shows there's ketones you are in ketosis deep in ketosis I could feel inflammation go down energies up clarity mental clarity do you think too like the elevation and mood being more attributed to like running off of ketones is that there like a correlation there yes so what I think I may have a problem and I think a lot of people have this problem which is why it's common not everybody but I think a lot of people have this problem I may have a problem with glucose I may have a problem utilizing it now I'm not diabetic or pre-diabetic but for some reason when I start eating you know carbohydrates and I push the carbohydrates for a while I just have I just don't think it's clearly I feel more foggy I feel more fatigued you know carbs that don't have that are I don't have an intolerance to although it's much left of an effect I still don't have the same clarity and I think it may be that I'm just I just don't utilize glucose that well and which could be partially genetics and partially because I may have fucked myself up over years I feel the same way I pushed everything when I was trying to gain weight and trying to gain muscle I stuffed my face with everything sugar you know whatever any kind of calorie I could and so I would imagine that had some kind of effect on me because I shouldn't feel like shit after eating a meal and that's what happens if I eat bread pasta rice potatoes if I eat a lot of them I want to take a nap you know 40 minutes later or an hour later that's not that's a sign right that something's going on so so totally different but what I'm going to do with this is I'm going to go the beginning of every month 72 hour fast then I'm going to go faster I go on the fast I'll start throwing in carbs again for variety and then I'll go fast and reset the cycle and we'll see how long I do this but so far so good Bert This Quas brought to you by Organifi for those days you fall short on getting your organic veggies or whole food nutrition Organifi fills the gap with laboratory tested certified organic superfoods to help give your health a performance the added edge try Organifi totally risk free Organifi.com that's O-R-G-A-N-I-F-I.com and use a coupon code mind pump for 20% off at checkout First question is from Krishish 311 Krishish Krishish Krishish Are you worried people will use too much intensity with maps hit Oh the new program Oh shit Doug Doug when's the when I love is when you merge it together maps and hit it's when does this episode drop at the same time as the episode that talks about maps it Yeah this is going to drop at 4pm Pacific on Tuesday and then at 6pm we have our YouTube Oh it's coming in when does that when does that bonus episode drop Is that tonight Oh the bonus episode will be dropping right after this at the same time or whatever same time So for if you haven't heard the bonus episode and if you're and again if you're listening to this before the YouTube it's maps hit it is high intensity interval training but it's programmed by us so it's good programming we have incorporated quite a few things in there but it is intense because it is a six week we okay so here's the deal we got a lot of people constantly since we started Mind Pump a lot of people would tell us what's the best program I want to burn as much body fat as possible in a short period of time obviously that's a big common thing and we've pushed against it because exercise programming that bolstered their immune system excuse me bolstered their metabolism that strengthened their body they gave them long term results as well because this is where they want to go first and this is the mentality this is why it took so long for us to put a program like this out here because we wanted to establish those I keep using this word but prerequisite so we want to establish a solid foundation an understanding of training function and now we get to kind of flirt with some of the crazy right and so this we said okay let's design a program that will burn as many calories and as much fat in a short period of time so maps it is six weeks long it's all about burning body fat and conditioning but we also we programmed it in a way where you could scale it so there's three levels and we also programmed in mobility it tends to be higher risk because of the intensity now can you use too much intensity with maps it of course you can use it too much intensity with anything and it depends on your body there's three levels and maps it and the third level is the most difficult and if you go into it and you're not in fucking awesome shape and you think I'm just going to go level three because I want to burn more body fat you're going to be shooting yourself on the foot you're better off starting in level one type of deal but we get into this in that short episode that's all about maps it why we created it what we're talking about right now I mean this program is the only program that comes with a warning all of our other programs we don't have a big red warning when you first open it up and that's our one concern was to make sure that people understood that this is something that you phase in and out or you intermittently use it within your current routine that you're doing right now at all so we get into that with depth now the hit launch is going right now so you've got an opportunity to get it for $20 off plus get the free t-shirt right now and how many more days will that last Doug after this goes live so they have a couple days yeah until Saturday evening okay so just our site mindpumpmedia.com you do the code make sure you enter the coupon code hitlaunch now it's hit spelled with two I's so it's H-I-I-T and you'll get 20% off excuse me $20 off and a free t-shirt but in you know not to go off topic this is a question that I get on all kinds of things like can you use too much intensity absolutely you know when you look at all the easiest thing that can happen when that's the number one thing that's what everybody throws too much at when you have when you look at all the variables that you can play with for your workouts your volume your intensity the duration how long your workouts are rep speed you know your intent all these different things if you put them all if you apply them all in the right ways you'll get excellent results so if you think of the potential for your body at 100 like if you do everything perfect you will hit 100 in terms of results with your particular genetic makeup right every time one of those factors you take away from that 100 100 so if you if you apply too much intensity now maybe only 50% of your potential this is true for all the variables so when it comes to intensity for sure more is not better that is not true more is better until it's not and then now it's worse so always I always recommend people and I learned this is a lesson I learned as a personal trainer it took me fucking years to learn it because it's easier to ramp up slowly from there than it is to oh shit we did too much now we gotta try and back off but oh shit now your central nervous systems fried now you're trying to recover now we gotta do all this back like trying to backtrack or whatever it's way more difficult so air on the side of maybe a little bit too little intensity and then slowly ramp up from there way better approach I think next question is from Tim Imbo how do your significant response to the amount of time you invest in social media do you have external help or are you really that persistent on your own constant challenge well that persistent is he asking if we're having other people do that or do we actually manage we manage all of our own stuff so that's something that we take a lot of pride in that we answer I mean I rarely ever miss a DM and knock on the wood because sometimes it takes me I pretty much answer every single DM that gets sent my way right now I still can it takes a lot of dedication my part the boys and I are on the forum every single day commenting and answering as much as we possibly can on there same thing goes with Facebook, YouTube and all the other platforms so you know right now we manage it and I'm sure the guys are probably the same as me my girl halfway hates me for it you know she she knows that it's between consuming social media and then using it as a tool for as a business right so and that's the hard part and she'll call me out on it right like if she comes walks by me and I'm guilty of this where it starts off I'm working I answer the 10 DMs that I just got I respond to them I answer my emails I get on the forum I answer a question or two and then I go then I read an article and then I go down a rabbit hole the next thing you know you know monkeys dancing with bulldogs or something weird you know like so when she catches me doing that like then she'll I want to see that video then she'll call me out right on some shit like that like listen I know you're not working now and I'm like you're right so it's easy to get sucked into that and you've got to be careful to that but at the same time too Katrina gives me a lot of latitude when it comes to this because she understands that 90% of this business revolves around social media and the interaction that we all have with our audience and our people that are looking for help from us so it was something that each of us did and prided ourselves on when we first started was being able to give, give, give as much as we possibly could it's why I mean I still get this to this day when we release a program I must have had 30 DMs of people that reached out and said hey I bought the program I'm doing something else right now but I always want to show my support for you guys because you've provided you've changed my life and I never buy anything that you you put out there so and I think that's just a testament to how much we all give on the social platforms and engage with our audience I don't know too many people at the size and that we're doing now mind you there's three of us right so I think it's a little bit easier than some I think we all have that mentality that we want to just keep you know being as accessible as we possibly can and giving back and you know answering questions obviously it's gone to a point where yeah it's a lot it's a lot of interactions a lot of emails it's a lot of you know forum like posts and things to read and you know so my strategy has changed significantly from just kind of like responding based off of like when it comes in and this and that like I've been trying to be more active like in the morning as much as possible then throughout my day so that way the end of my day like it's really tough to have to be more I'm trying to implement more discipline within trying to be efficient and throughout the day versus at night and just kind of responding because that's family time to me and that's time where I have to spend you know being present and be present with my kids and being present with my wife and doing things that will benefit you know my family environment my family household and so these are just things to figure out the balance and this has been a process you know and so I think like it's coming close to like okay I can manage this within this window in like I want to try and stay as firm as I can to that but I will also intermittently check and see if there's a pressing issue that I need to respond to and I'm going to respond yeah this is a constant because we're we're on social media so much because of our work because we want to connect with people we want to answer questions and help them then you're on social media and I've caught myself where I'll go through answer questions do some work and then I'm fucking juggling between social media platforms just looking at shit bing bing bing bing bing and I'll catch my and it's so funny is that I don't always catch myself that's how unaware it is it's such a mindless thing when you're on your phone that then I'll catch myself and I'll be like what did I just sit here for 35 minutes or 40 minutes bouncing anything productive but just you know kind of occupying my brain and wasting time and so I honestly think for me at least I can speak for myself just like and I use nutrition as an example of this because I think it's very similar you know when we when with the introduction of highly palatable processed foods came the responsibility to you know kind of watch we didn't have that we never had that problem before like we didn't have to because you didn't have food all the time so all of a sudden now I can overeat and I can have any flavor I want any color, any texture and the side effect of that is illness, sickness, diabetes all these problems with social media you know we didn't have that problem before because it wasn't there now we have it I think it's going to require conscious conscious tracking like we do with food like how do you take someone intuitive eating well you got to go through a fucking process of tracking you got to go through a process of paying attention and being regimented before you can move to a point where it becomes automatic I think that's with social media I don't think it's going to happen on its own for me so for me what I'm trying to do is I'm trying to figure out ways where I can structure it and I don't know if that's and I don't know anybody who does this so I'm kind of trying to invent it just like I did a couple of episodes ago that I thought was brilliant and that's he plugs his phone in when he gets home to charge and that's where it stays he doesn't pull it off the wire so the only way he can check his phone is if he walks over and checks it and so I'm thinking of doing that and putting it in a place that is kind of strange not somewhere I can sit down and relax but where I have to stand at the counter or something so it's obvious so I was thinking about doing that I was thinking about scheduling literally scheduling time right after work and then maybe one more time before bed or something like that and then that's it and other than that in between I'll only answer phone calls and texts or if I need to otherwise just stay off it completely just like you would track your food where you know your proteins your fats your carbs these are my meals I plan them out ahead of time because I don't think I can do it otherwise I don't think I could do it and it's I end up fucking going back I go back to more and more use and more and more use and you know Jessica points it out to me and she'll tell me like because she'll get angry because she'll be talking to me and mid-sentence I'll check my phone that's fucking rude you know what's funny is I'm not even I don't even realize I'm doing it and she'll call it out and get mad at me and then I'll get mad because she gets mad at me and then ten minutes later when I cool down and my ego's fucking relaxed I'll be like well she's right I'm on your phone while someone's talking to you about something so I think I need to have some kind of structure and I'm not quite sure what it is but I'm going to try Justin's thing first where I come home plug it in put it over in the corner and then it doesn't leave that spot and that should make me more aware because I'm going to have to get up walk over check it you know what I mean that kind of stuff at the end of the day you know it's pretty challenging where we're at in this because I think revolver on the business yeah there's like entertainment yeah like I have self-discipline to be like I'm not going to be a mush and fucking Instagram all day long because I need to fulfill this you're right I wouldn't be honest at all no I wouldn't either remember how reluctant I was but this is advice for the kids man yeah well no I mean someone asks a question the other day about what are the things how we evolve and how we tend to look back 20 years ago we were doing this how stupid is that what are we doing right now what are we doing I predict the cell phone thing I predict the addiction to social media is going to be something that I would love if we didn't have to use them anymore but we were still interacting you know when we wanted to it's only going to take a in my opinion it's only going to take another 10 or 15 years of the abuse of it to start to see some serious outcome of posture and behavioral addiction and what do these kids look like that grew up with it since day one being addicted to it all the way to adulthood and what's happening with them when those studies start really coming out and you're starting to see a little bit here and there once those start to come out a lot I think that's when we're going to look back and go like what the fuck were we thinking when your interaction and it'll become like a smoking thing again where it's not cool or like you see people pull up right now it's like it's you're watching it increase like I just two years ago I'm waiting for the backlash right it's in the backlash is coming soon you're going to see that and I wouldn't be surprised if you start to see it by saying please keep your phones away it's going to become totally socially unacceptable yeah I completely agree with that have you heard too like so I heard this I think it was Joe Rogan what they do now for like comedy shows they're instituting they have a business that actually takes and manages your cell phone and so like you check it in so you check your cell phone in and then that way like nobody's allowed to have a cell phone as they watch the show and then you know as you come back you have like a tag checking in your your coat and then you know you get your cell phone back and all that stuff but you're going to see more and more that I believe I believe I believe right now you have company or you have businesses like Applebee's and things like that that are catering to it you know by putting a fucking digital thing on there to play games and interact which I think on their from their point it's smart because they're jumping on the rise of this right now but I do believe what it's doing I can see my posture change already myself like I can I can see it and feel the difference already of the forward head it's accelerated in the last like three years of my life than it did in the previous 30 years of my life so I feel like my eyes have been severely affected like I'm always wearing glasses now and it was like it accelerated like over the last two years that FAST made a big I noticed something big with the FAST too was everything seems so sensitive like nutritionally like so right now I've now trained myself to where I could stare at a goddamn screen almost all day long and be okay after that FAST we had I noticed that after like an hour or so of staring at the screen two hours I sort of get a headache and shit and so that was I didn't even put that together dude same response yes that was a big flag for me that like whoa sure I can just and your body you know you start off with one hour opening looking at either a computer screen a phone screen or a TV screen and it's not affecting me anymore but to me that's because I've let my body get adapted to that slowly over time and that it's not affecting me negatively or at least I can't see it because I've probably down regulated some places in my body in my brain now I'm back to after the FAST oh my God reset all that one two hours staring at the screen and I'm getting lost so because of that I notice and I don't know what better word I don't know a better word so please excuse me but the emotional spiritual benefits and so I'm only saying I don't mean necessarily I'm talking to God but what I mean is I feel more clear with my abuse of my phone I feel more clear with how I communicate with my kids the people around me because I I do think that food can be extremely numbing I really do when you FAST for a few days you realize like okay what am I gonna do right now normally be like let's go grab some food like this is a great way to take up time now that I'm not eating what am I gonna do now and so we don't have that thing to distract or numb you tends to make you a little bit more aware but I do think with this with social media I completely agree with you Adam I think it will become socially unacceptable I think people will go to restaurants and places to go somewhere to ban phones you know what I mean like oh cool I get to go there so with my friends I can guarantee that I'm gonna have great interaction with my friends cause that place doesn't allow us to come to phones there will be someone you'll see it's not yet but when you start to see that come out where you see more and more negative from all this tech then you'll see companies that will jump that will be different they'll want to be different and they're gonna say this and this will be the beginning of the divide that won't allow any phones I bet that would be a thing no doubt I would love to go there there will also be the thing on the other side which will more interactive places when you walk in and your your phones automatically populated to the menu and you just order right from there you're getting the profile from the person sitting at the bar just cause I'm saying that doesn't mean everybody's gonna change I believe we're gonna start to see a division of people that want to see more of that want to be more player one the other side of people that want to become more unplugged and I think we're gonna see what is your guys like instinctual reaction when your girls tell you oh you're on your phone too much like right away how do you feel well it depends on what I'm currently doing when she calls it out if I'm if I'm doing something to get angry like so I'm pretty good about being objective right so if she says that to me and I look down and I'm like I'm creating a post she calls me out and I'm like right in the middle of like trolling you know what I'm saying or bullshitting or just consuming then I check myself and I'm like you're right you know what I'm saying I don't need to be doing it right now because I find my instinct is to get irritated because you're telling me to stop doing something and then it makes me hyper aware of just how addicting this fucking thing is because why am I so irritated right now that you told me well see Katrina she's smart she's in the living room you know stuff's going fire's going she's doing something and I'm instead of being there and being present with her I'm working or I could be consuming and if I'm consuming Courtney is not a salesman I'm just gonna put that up she's just like get off your phone you've been fucking on that all day or whatever and it's been like you know one minute I'm like doing something and then I get angry but then yeah so this is where it's been it's been that thing like I'm I feel like I'm doing something valuable right now am I getting angry at myself you know for you know being consumed by this or am I getting angry that I'm just being told what to do well and I'm gonna defend us too and this because there's been time just recently Katrina came home from work you know it was like four or five o'clock and I was in the thick of like writing a very long long post or email I don't remember what it was but I know I was very into it me being on my computer and stuff like that and then you know hugging on me and oh wanted to talk right then and there about a day I'm like mid-sentence of writing something and you could tell that she just wasn't getting it back from me very much and she's like could you just put that down for a minute I want to talk to you about your day I said honey I know that you've had a very long day today and your day is over and you're now and you've now got home and you want to relax enjoy that process I would love to enjoy that process with you but you just interrupted me in the middle of my train of thought and I'm in the middle of working and I'm in work mode right now and I've been in work mode for the last hour and I can't wait to get to where I shut down just like you and we can do that so I don't want to be rude I don't want to be mean to you but you know get out of my way right now you just reminded me of frustration with that because yeah I'll get in moments where I'm like I'll get down and you know sometimes so I'll go that's why I created the office I try to like designate well if I'm in there then but sometimes that's a good idea I'll sometimes I'll like be in the living room and I'm like trying to respond and write some long post and she'll just start talking to me and I'm like just a second you know and I'm still writing and but she keeps like giving me all these details details details and then it's like I can't multitask I can't listen to your details while I'm deep in thought with trying to write this so it's like that's like a constant maybe you just hit on something that would be a great strategy is having your at home office and then making a deal with wifeies that listen if I'm sitting in my if I made the effort to get up out of the living room walk into my office sit down and get on a computer get on my phone I'm working that's where you plug your phone in right yes that's what I've been trying trying so hard because to me that's fair somewhere else like that it's like hey listen I'm in my workspace right now and create that right and then if I'm on my couch in front of my fire or whatever like that then you've got me I'm literally going to do what Justin said a few episodes ago as a matter of fact I was talking I was thinking about doing it starting at this weekend but for sure I'm going to do that because I feel like that's a good starting point yeah next question is from Roark Q there was a recent news article in California about petitioning are we becoming too nerf? I like that what's everyone's thoughts on the topic especially the dads of the group so fuck you Quinn you want to know my opinion or what first off I fucking called it it was 100% what I knew would start to happen now it hasn't been made law just more regulations but it's been as soon as they knew that there was dangers I knew that you know the state would come out and be like because what the state does why can't we just let our parents like if you as a parent can't make that if you can't control your household and get your kid to decide to play football or not play football then why should you ask government to get involved because government's job is they literally sit down and they think what else can we control what else can we regulate what else can we do and so they're always trying to find things the funny thing is you know you take all the kids that are killed from tackle football under high school age it does it pales in comparison amount of kids that drown in swimming pools in a band yeah swimming pools and it's because fall out of windows yeah exactly it's crazy the reason now is football dangerous definitely can it cause you know problems with the brain yeah especially the bigger you get in the harder you hit but a law really are we gonna make a fucking this is crazy to me it's insane that we're gonna make a law against it because you know it's gonna end up happening okay let's just I doubt this level pass but let's say it did let's say it became illegal for kids under high school age to play football you know what that means when they enter high school they're gonna play football in high school and they're not gonna know how to fucking hit they're not gonna know the technique cause it's very technical the way you hit someone and they're gonna get fucking hurt or they're not gonna be good enough to even play no one's gonna let them on the team because they're not any good because they can get a chance to play with their younger well if they're in California they're playing with other California kids but look you know Justin you played football for a long time imagine a fucking kid first time you ever hit someone with the pads 14, 15 years old that's the injury it's crazy yeah well but to be fair like that's exactly how I you know got into football I started playing when I was a freshman in high school and but the thing is I was leading up to that I was playing soccer before that and like slide tackling I really was a physical kind of a player even with basketball it was very physical but yeah I didn't know the techniques and like there was kids on the team that had played PB football that really understood the game and understood leverage and understood technique and you know especially with tackling it's you have to master the technique of tackling to be able to prevent injury and to keep kids safe and to not use their head and you know all these things that you need to implement it just to me it just screams it makes it more taboo and then you know it becomes one of those things that like to me it just it feels like people need like they need to feel like okay this is going to help because it's safer or whatever you know we're doing everybody justice world I feel like individually like the parents and the kids can decide like obviously there's going to be risks in all these different sports we can't just like you know put all these regulations here we have to let them decide the individual decide the irony of this is here's what the irony is let's say they pat because let's say their kids do it let's say they have good intentions like okay we want to we want to prevent kids from playing football at a young age because it's dangerous and that's really the intentions which I don't think it is but let's say it is and they pass this law what they're going to do is they're going to cause a backlash where people who don't like to be forced to not do something who really like football or whatever are going to say fuck you we're going to keep playing football other states are going to be like we're never going to pass laws like this instead it's dangerous fine put the studies out let people make that decision let football evolve because that's what will happen trying to ban it is going to do the exact opposite is that people are going to cling to it and they're going to do it more more education is better that's right and I feel like exactly to your point like parents should know the ramifications they should know like that's information in the developmental process okay if they get hit X amount of times like what this may lead to or like you know you can kind of evaluate it from there but at the end of the day like let people have the freedom to do crazy stuff too like it's there's so much more like and even if you weigh it out as like you know what is my kid going to get out of this experience well I'll tell you dude he's going to get a lot a lot out of the experience he's going to get learning how to you know navigate in extreme cause and effect like super quickly how can I work with other people and then how can we conquer like insurmountable odds like sometimes I was on the field and I'm like we're getting fucking killed how do I how do we you know rally against this and then and these are just like impressionable things that will last with me forever that's right there's a reason why people are so passionate about sports and it's not because they like to play a game I understand that sports have rules you follow the rules in order to accomplish an objective you play on a team or even if you're not on a team in your individual you are learning how to navigate challenges how to deal with failure and how to handle success which sounds to me like a perfect microcosm of life you know what I'm saying it reveals so much about your character many people say that sports build character but what it really does is reveal character this like oh shit this is the type of person I am when things are tough do I cry and go and quit or do I fight back and do I and maybe that's you know that's maybe that's how you respond initially right but then you grow right you grow as an individual and you understand like how much more effective it is when you actually stick in the trenches and you work through it next question is from anointed anointed fighter he's anointed what do you guys think about the whole cratum issue going on with the FDA of course of course this would happen so cratum is a plant found in southeast Asia that has analgesic properties pain killing properties some people say they get euphoric from it but really the reason why it's gaining a lot of popularity is you're seeing quite a few anecdotes of people who are going off opiates and using cratum as a way to get off that sounds terrible the opiates yeah let's keep them on the opiates yeah exactly there have been some deaths associated with cratum I read some articles something like 44 the problem is most of those deaths the people were taking other drugs as well so it sounds to me like there are people out there of course who are buying cratum trying to use it as a party drug and combining it with other drugs so it's going to be those people yes and then they're going to have an effect how's that working out for them what do you mean exactly exactly but I've I've dived into cratum I've examined it I've seen that are there addictive properties yes potential ones is it anywhere near the addictive properties of opiates no not even fucking close I didn't honestly I didn't have I didn't feel much from it you tried it yeah yeah yeah when I was coming off of the Vicodin stuff I used it and I honestly didn't I didn't notice anything where do you where do you get it from get it online get it online yeah but it's it's quite the process even then it's not like you can get it on Amazon dude let me tell you something the second something comes out that can replace the biggest cash cow and fucking pharmaceutical drugs well that's why we see why marijuana's had such a hard time of course yeah of course because it's not it's a plant of course the FDA is going to want to regulate it because the FDA's job is to do drugs companies from competition yep if something comes out like marijuana let's just okay so cratum could potentially be dangerous if you overdose whatever marijuana good luck trying to overdose on it it's not going to happen totally safe from that particular standpoint why is marijuana still federally schedule one there's no fucking reason it makes no damn sense except for the fact that it is competitive with painkillers and anxiety drugs and drugs that help you go to sleep literally is protecting the other companies from competition that's I think what's happening with cratum it's coming out more people are using it more people are using it for pain they're replacing their opiates and big pharma doesn't like that FDA doesn't like that big pharma doesn't like it so they're going to try and what they're saying is that they want to schedule it as a schedule one which is a higher scheduling than opiates even I believe schedule I think opiates because they're prescribed they're not schedule one schedule one means additional use no use whatsoever which I think is absolutely ridiculous I think at the very least or at the very most if it's one of those kinds of substances with high abuse potential that kind of stuff which I don't think it is from what I've read but maybe just say you got to be 18 to buy it or something like that but banning it completely you know what you're going to do you're just going to create a black market and there's going to be a lot of synthetic copycat drugs like there was with marijuana that end up being much worse yeah you know people turning into zombies have you read about the overdoses that people have been doing on these synthetic marijuana that's been happening for a long time now I mean yeah and none of that would have happened if marijuana was legalized because otherwise why are they being forced to do this so I think it's I think it's ridiculous I think it's crazy it's a hundred percent corruption I don't think this has anything to do with the best interest of the problem well it's kind of I think it's an obvious answer for us personally just because I think we're all in agreement with you know we're free market guys so I think that we I would I think that all drugs should not be I don't think we should have anything that's like schedule one I'm all for more competitive options right I think there should be a great universal place where you could find education on all of them studies to show the deaths the addictive I think that we should be better educated on all drugs and then I literally believe it should be up to parenting to manage that and I think some people are listening they're oh my god that'd be crazy and if teenage boys and girls could give it to each other and it's like well yeah you're thinking so extreme right now but like we talked about earlier with the whole alcohol analogy there was something that was around in our society all time and you had examples how you know how smart humans and kids are after a while when you start to see that they don't do that and it sounds crazy to say that some people listening might be like well that's crazy well we get 16 years old we give them a driver's license they drive a car they could do a lot more harm to themselves in a vehicle there's nothing to stop them from doing 120 mile an hour donuts around some fucking you know but yet we hope we hope that they have the smarts to not do some of these things well so the belief there's two there's two problems with our current belief system around drugs one is that it's the drug itself that causes the problems which is false you know how many people do cocaine and drink alcohol and try a cigarette every day and don't become addicted way more than become addictive way way way way way more so there's that case now do different drugs have different physical and physiological addictive properties they definitely do but there's a lot more than just the drugs so that's number one but the second thing is most most people today alive today grew up with drugs being highly highly regulated or banned so they don't know any better so to them it's like oh no you know if it's just gonna be legal the whole world's gonna go crazy but we do have an example we do have a real world example of a country that didn't legalize they decriminalize there's a difference now legalization means stores sell it and it's you know it's part of the free market you know type of deal or part of the market but legalization means if you get caught with like a personal amount which this is the direction we're not throwing you into it this is what I'm pro for like I'm not trying to say like you kids should be able to go down to the 7-11 and pick up a thing of heroin or fucking cocaine no I agree with you I agree with you I think step one is decriminalization see what happens there and then maybe depending on the substance maybe we look at legalization but we do have an example of a country that decriminalized all drugs all of them crystal meth cocaine meaning if you were found with a shit ton of it in the back of your car you'd probably go to jail because you're probably a dealer but if you found if they found you with some that was personal use you didn't get you didn't get thrown in jail you didn't get you know anything bad you might get a fine at the worst or they may they may tell you hey instead of getting a fine you go take this course or whatever and that's in Portugal Portugal had before 2001 had one of the highest heroin addiction rates in all of Europe their addiction rate was over one percent and the rest of Europe was at point four percent they had just a terrible drug problem so their drug policy completely changed they decriminalized all drugs so rather than throwing people in jail they gave them the option for treatment and for help which I know some people were like oh I'm not paying for someone to whatever well you're paying for the motherfucker to go to jail and the reality is it's actually cheaper it's actually cheaper if you have them then house them it is what are you really doing for the individuals it is so if you if you want to save money if you're all about saving money saving tax dollars it's smarter to take someone and give them the option for treatment rather than throw them in jail or now we're spending money on housing them and feeding and then of course you turn them into a criminal now they have a felony now they can't get a job and now we're basically going to be spending money on this motherfucker for the rest of our people get treatment options the addiction rate dropped considerably overdose rate dropped considerably AIDS cases and HIV cases dropped considerably crime dropped considerably because the black market became less violent you know so huge success and it's now 2018 so we've now had you know over 15 years where we can look at a country that is in Europe that's a decent size population and say what happened there? Did it level out Sal or is it continuing to show progress like is it getting better is it getting worse is it staying the same now that it's gotten better and it seems to have continued to get better but I'm sure at some point you know it's going to level out I don't think it's going to like you know fix all the problems but they're saving money less people are addicted less people are overdosing you know less crime like I can't think of any like what bad came from that you know when people are using it too by the way the drug use rate in Portugal actually went down because I do firmly believe that especially with kids there's this whole taboo effect where something is cool dude that's how it's illegal this is how I was with alcohol I 100% know for a fact I consume more alcohol between the ages of 16 and 21 that I have from 21 to 36 100% and it's all because of the fact that you're not supposed to it's like oh my god you just do it in excess like an asshole same thing's happening with marijuana right now it's not nearly as cool when you're a kid to smoke weed as it was when we were kids because oh yeah it was edgy it was like oh my god he's a rebel he's bad it's like it's not a big deal anymore it's like oh you just smoke weed and then oh you smoke weed all the time you're kind of a loser that's what you're seeing that now even with young kids it's crazy so if you go to the app store you can get the mind pump media app where you can download all of our shows and there's a search function on there if you want to look up a topic makes it really easy to look up a topic in our episodes and coming soon more features it's a free app go to the app store sign up for it thank you for listening to mind pump if your goal is to build and shape your body dramatically improve your health and energy and maximize your overall performance check out our discounted RGB Superbundle at mindpumpmedia.com the RGB Superbundle includes maps anabolic maps performance and maps aesthetic nine months of phased expert exercise programming designed by Sal Adam and Justin to systematically transform the way your body looks, feels and performs with detailed workout blueprints and over 200 videos the RGB Superbundle is like having Sal Adam and Justin as your own personal trainers but at a fraction of the price the RGB Superbundle has a full 30 day money back guarantee and you can get it now plus other valuable free resources at mindpumpmedia.com if you enjoy this show please share the love by leaving us a 5 star rating and review on iTunes and by introducing Mind Pump to your friends and family we thank you for your support and until next time this is Mind Pump