You describe it as fun, right, guys? You'd probably call the movie fun. I would. I had I had a lot of fun watching it. I laughed so goddamn hard at this. Yeah, because, yeah, they try to take a lot of stuff very seriously in this movie that is nonsensical, outright, horrendous, ridiculous. I had a lot of fun.  They're they're they remake elements of Superman one, Superman two. They bring in all the bad stuff from Spider-Man three, which is a lot. And Spider-Batman returns. Yeah, they even rip off Batman returns, which is a bold move, I would say. Oh, OK. And I don't think you were here when I brought it up. Oh, yeah, yeah, with with, yeah, yeah. Well, when you were watching this, did you get Ghostbusters vibes? Twenty sixteen. Yeah. Yeah, especially with Kristen Wiig there. I think that's exactly. I know I some people in chat were saying they felt it, too. I know I couldn't be the only one. She she does a I don't know if it's improv comedy, but her kind, that kind of comedy where, oh, this is all good. Oh, there you go.  Yeah, they do that except with the plot and characters. Yes. And it's like they're juggling. No, it's horrible. It's like, please. I find it unwatchable. All right, so we are live. Everything's good and going. The thumbnail is wrong. I will fix that as we stream. OK, but yeah, I guess I'll do introductions for you, Sargon, as well as people who are just in. So they have no idea who this set of people is. Further, this left is capital opinions, maker of videos that make fun of video assets. I guess it's the best thing I guess. Yeah, well, everyone just say hi as I go through. I guess that makes the most sense. Then there's John. How are you? Hi.  No, you're ruining it. Then why? Oh, John, creator of Arby and the Chief, writer, director, producer, actor, musician, all of the things. Producer. Yeah, I write and direct a film about action figures. It's very harsh, but I think it's pretty funny. Then there's me. You probably know who I am at this point. We've talked a few times. We've met a couple of times. Then to my to my right is neurotic. Gary from neurotic. I don't know if you have you guys met before or no. No, I don't think so. I have heard the name I've been mentioned a few times. That's always always positively. Hey, that's even better. Hello, at least talented person here. Greetings, everyone. Hey, the capital opinion is right there. What about people? Yeah, I know. I am clearly the least talented person here. Don't you try to take that title from me? Uh, then rags. Don't know if you've ever met him before. Oh, well, yeah, we've hung out. Oh, neat. OK, we have. Then then this saga saving me and left for dead. Yeah, we still need to play that new update, right? Yeah, I haven't I haven't even tried it yet. And also the people who made it their next game, it's up on it's it's coming.  Yeah, it's there. There's it's on steam. It's not released, but the page is on steam now. So hopefully soonish will get some info on that. Very excited. Yes. Then Shadowverse T, who I know you're aware of, you're both aware of each other. Say hello. Hello, hello. Good to be here with Carl and also Nordic and everyone. But now, Carl, we've been we've been messaging and say, well, let's set to place a mountain blade. Yes, tomorrow, in fact, isn't it? All right, I've been. Yeah, I'm very much looking forward to it. It's going to be quite a big gathering, actually. He's going to stream it. And I don't know. I hadn't I hadn't planned to. Wow, lame. Everyone wants to see Shad killing things with you on an online game. Come on. Can we create? Well, maybe, maybe it's it's not just my choice because there are going to be other people in there who might not want to stream. Very well. And then to the right of Shad is Southpaw, maker of a video that says Spider-Man 2 is not very good. Yes, and that's controversial. Oh, yes. Oh, I know it's I know it's controversial. It is. Yes. We are talking about really. Spider-Man 2, right? Yeah, yep. Oh, man. Here we go. Let it commence. You've got to watch my video personally attacked. I did a problem is that he says that as a joke, but a lot of people say that seriously. Oh, yes. I'm just covering them with a mask of humor. And I love that movie. I know it's got some problems, but like, I don't know. Oh, hey, man. You know, I'm curious to see what your criticisms are. Yeah. Obviously, in Southpaw and solid stuff, actually, I got really pretty good. Shattavosity approval too. Who will be? Yeah, that's Fringy, Rags, Jay, Crittle, Drinker, you, Muller, and now Shattiversity. Sweet. Fine, fine video. Collecting the infinity creators on your gauntlet there. It was a proof. Absolutely. Listen, listen, I like that movie too. I'm going through some complicated feelings about it now because of all the crazier fences that I've been dealing with being frequently straw manned and misrepresented by the people that simp for that movie isn't very fun. None of us would know what that's like. We're very unaware. Yeah, this isn't a crew. Yeah, what do you mean? What's that? I hope that never happens to us. Yeah. And I just want to say I forgive you chat for how you reacted to me dropping that take on 112. Don't worry. Don't worry. No, I know that seemed like I was bitter when I dropped that little bit where I've got bully McGuire, you know, thrusting his hips as a chat goes by reacting to my take that Spider-Man 2 is not very good, but you are forgiven. Oh, and to the right of South 4 is weekend warrior. He's he makes video reviews. He has like a little little cartoon man to represent him. He's he's pretty sure dude. I'm assuming you guys have met before. Now you have to you have to kiss the name rings bells. Actually, yes, I probably want to be below. No. Can you hear? Hello. Hello. Hello. Hi. And yeah, so if you can just go ahead and get the stream up so you can see what I'm going to show you now. And what we're going to do is play a little game. You have to ignore chat because they will give you the answers. You can't you can't cheat. Yeah. So we're watching going through the Wonder Woman. And if you've seen some some reviews, you might know the answers already. I really hope you don't because I just it's so amusing. We're in a scenario here. Okay, a convoy of vehicles and peoples all head in toward an innocent group of children. Horrifying stuff. Don't know what's going to happen, but Wonder Woman and her trusty boyfriends will get to that stuff too. Shad, don't worry. We'll ask him about it. They have to figure out a way to stop this. You know, the vehicles ahead and right toward the children, the innocent children playing football. Horrifying stuff. And so what what is the answer?  Well, what do you call that? An RPG. Yeah. This is an RPG. All right. Well, yeah. So you pull it. Her boyfriend pulls that out now in response to seeing children and you pull that out. That's interesting as a choice. Right. I mean like and she nods in approval is going. She nods in approval at this. So you must, you know, it's a good thing. I don't want to make any kind of meta commentary on this. Is really, is really woman Palestinian children. Like, where is this going? I don't know. This is an RPG. There's lots of things to interpret in this. So it launches. Sweat. You know, Jesus, it launches. Now I missed this beat before. What is he saying to her here? Exactly. Oh, well, you know what? Let's they're not saying anything. I don't remember them saying anything, but even if they are telepathic. Oh, just trust me. It doesn't matter even if they are saying anything. I would rather just give the information that John got as well. So yes, I'm just trying to get a shot of it because VLC can like glitch up sometimes. So here we go. This is the last frame. I'll show you as a clue. What is about to happen that involves Wonder Woman saving these children? Just waiting for it to catch up. So is the rocket heading towards the children? I won't confirm where the rocket's heading. That's that's a part of your speculation. I mean, well, it seems to be flying through the air. We've just seen the kids playing football in the road. I mean, just I assume that this is a total misdirection and that the the inevitable horror isn't going to actually be inevitable. So you are actually can you almost think that the rocket's heading toward the children just and that's just that's the the weirdness of the scene from what I've seen. It looks kind of bad. Yeah. I seem it's going to blow up one of the APC's right. So that's a fair thing to think that he's aiming to blow up the vehicles before they reach the children. Right. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Well, you know, I'm not going to I'm not going to speculate with you for ages. We already do with John. We'll just see how the scene plays out. I'll just play it piece by piece. So I don't know how far behind you are. I'll try and commentate we're relevant. Yeah. I don't even know where if it's necessary. Right. So she grabs the thing with her lasso and she's using this to propel herself to presumably snatch the children out of the way. That would obviously be what she was doing. Do you have one small rocket? Don't you think all of that just follows like that's just something that normal people would do. I think that that is a tremendous endorsement of the arms industry. Yeah. They allow Wonder Woman to save kids. Reach speeds never possible before RPG sevens. She was a full speed of that RPG. She clings on to a pile on swings down now to appreciate Spider-Man. Look at all this. I want to we're back here folks. This wonderful shot. Now the speed in which she is traveling and her superhuman arm, the location of it on that little girl's neck. Do you think there could be a problem? I mean, it certainly could hurt. You'd go for the waist, wouldn't you? Probably. I'd say so. In fact, I'd say that the children would be in trouble no matter where she grabs them. But because we're just going to annihilate them. But the neck. Damn. And of course. Old move. Unfortunately for our hero, she slips off that lasso and lands on the ground. They just bowed. Look at the total lack of force in which she picks up those kids. Yeah, right. Okay. I don't understand why she lost her grip on the whip. She never does that. She's losing her powers. It makes total sense. Oh. Why? She's losing her powers because she wished to have her boyfriend back and that's the price is she slowly loses her powers. That's how the magical monkeys Paul Crystal works. I didn't know that. It's like you don't even pay attention to the magical rules. I can't hear any of the dialogue. I didn't realize like you had to like willingly forfeit something in order to get. Oh, it's not willing. No, not willingly. Oh, okay. It just randomly selects. But did she know at the time of wishing that that was the cost of her wish? No. No. She didn't even wished. Hmm. She didn't even wish? Oh, say that again, Shad. She didn't even know she had wished at the time. She's just like reminiscing. Yeah. She just happened to. Yeah. So the film has two people who just happened to sort of wish to this rock. That grants wishes. Right. I was going to ask what this wish mechanic was because I don't really know what the I like. I, you know, I didn't really get the full scope of it. People just changing the entire world with wishes. Yes. It's so dumb. It's so dumb. We're actually. We're dumb. We are coming toward that part, actually, in the narrative, but so well, the crash course is there's a mystical rock that if you touch it and wish for something, it will grant that wish, but it'll cost you something. It could be anything and a character takes the rock and wishes to be the rock. And thus, if anyone touches him, they can wish for something that comes true and then he can take whatever payment he wants off of them up to and including their whole lives. Like he can just be like, I am going to take everything you own now, like legally, I guess. Right. I think I just avoid that. He gets headaches as well as a result. This is this is where it starts to get interesting in terms of just like it starts to kill him over the course of this film, apparently. Kind of weird. Yeah, they throw in they tend to throw in rules along the way. There's never really a scene to sort of establish rules or what the what the stone does or what the legend says. It's just sort of a fitness. This stuff happens on magic. There's this movie is a very poor implementation of how to establish magic and rules in films. Yeah. Many of us very. But I mean, this this sort of like wish mechanic they've gotten it sounds as awful as time travel.  How do we even know what she wished for? Like if it's not established in dialogue, well, it's the little that you get to assume whatever matches what we see. It's it's it's choose your own way. I've got a I've got a question more broadly that I think you guys could answer.  Because people constantly reward terrible things. So there's no pressure to improve. How can that go on? Well, it goes on. Well, because if a lot of really bad stuff makes a lot of money and a lot of people think like the boys season to the boys in general, the boys season to the Mandalorian Wonder Woman.  Well, I mean, they do make a lot of money, but they don't always win. But it's not enough to establish a pattern for quality. And it's all the writing. Like, yes, ultimately, it's the writing. They've gotten rid of anybody who disagrees with them politically, aside from the fact that it's a giant echo chamber and anybody who speaks up against that will be ostracized forever. It's it's more politics than than creativity and an ability now. So if you can politic your way through the corporate and it getting so corporate now has brought in the corporate politics of it, too. So if you're like an Alex Kurtzman who writes Star Trek and I don't know if you guys watch Star Trek Discovery, it's complete garbage. Yeah, he gets paid because he knows how to navigate.  He knows how to tell the bankers that don't know anything about, especially these franchises like Star Trek and Star Wars. He knows how to navigate through that. And yeah, the general writing is the writers now, the young writers now that they're bringing in have no experience.  But you know, remember when writers used to, I don't know, climb Mount Everest and go, you know, hunting freaking, I don't know, tigers and stuff. They don't do that anymore. I'm thinking was it James Cameron making the abyss, right? They've got these huge sets and the filled with water and the whole thing looks difficult to navigate anyway and they're making a film in difficult conditions. I wonder if it's something to do with technology really. It's computer generated graphics. I don't think so because there have been movies with great graphics, movies with terrible graphics and that's just a money issue. You can just throw money at something and it can generally look good. You can pay for good graphics. Yeah, but what I mean is like because you can do that it could be that that's affecting story and affecting writing because it's just maybe in a sense that it's just another aspect that's become easy and easier to just shave off to just that those guys can do that those guys can do that. I was so far superior to anything else because it was limited on budget. Todd Phillips had talked him into the script and they're like fine you get 50 million bucks but they were able to use that 50 million bucks which is still a massive amount of money better than anybody else because they were forced to be creative. The secondary way that might be kind of one of the contributing factors but I think ultimately it's that most people don't care about good writing. Yes, so much right because so many things that don't have good writing make you know billions of dollars and so they don't think oh well something needs to change because they can just keep doing that. You know like why feel the need to try to get better writers when the bad writing is making billions of dollars.  Well I don't know It's a bit of a zombie. You have the man Yeah it's a zombie. A zombie is a good way to put it it's still moving forward making money like the Mandalorian is beloved by people. Beloved, yeah. It's totally mundane.  I wanted to really like the Mandalorian.  No no we'll convince you later. Yeah I see why people like it. I can see why people want to like it. I can see why people are desperate. I wanted to like it.  Wow I've not heard that take honestly. Oh yeah that's yeah that is unusual I don't hear that it's boring thing much for Mandalorian that's interesting. I think it's really for such short episodes there are huge moments of walking slowly up the door I fell out with the Ahsoka episode there was a lot of padding in the Ahsoka episode. Also yeah so if the first portion has been blocked because of probably Wonder Woman stuff I'm gonna fix that in post I've got a copy locally already so you are afraid those in the chat who are lucky enough to see the first half of this will be exclusive for possibly a week enjoy. That is one of the biggest problems in Hollywood we'll fix it in post. I mean I have to. I have to censor it in post because yeah I guess I showed a little too much. Well because this is a thing that's supposed to actually be taken to court like is it fair use what we just did it's like we showed like 40 minutes of the film and we had a 6 hour stream I don't even think like yeah well I mean but also it's not a substitute for the original thing and also we provide commentary on literally every second of it transformative.  One thing I will add though is that there's a lot of really really really great movies and shows being made it's just a lot of the most popular things are garbage so there are so many really good movies every year that I feel like certain kinds of people just oh they think that like oh all writing is awful nothing good came out this year and it's like there are a lot of really good smaller movies that came out this year you know what I mean? Yeah we're obviously referring to mainstream when we have these conversations not everything. Yeah it's true. Also this looks like someone saw the woman try to color her in really badly like with the white that's VLC doing that yeah I gotta say I love me some VLC glitch art yeah it's been a great aspect so we are at the point where like wait why isn't one woman chasing the convoy it's like well you see she is injured and that is just like okay I guess that's just the price and that's going to come into the big emotional payoff soon enough Before we move on though there is another aspect that I thought would be good to have Carl in on oh he's not here right now okay as soon as he comes back jump in on it though the other thing I was just going to mention then with this scene is she just told the children to keep the secret quote-unquote which I don't even know that they would know what that means they should be like what's okay but look she's look at these people walking by her yeah yeah they don't care you're dressed a little weird I mean especially for like a what seems to be a rather conservative woman area she should be stoned right she should be stoned right now well they wouldn't just throw rocks at her instantly I would I'd be like you're a terrible superhero yeah stone the harlot God why would they throw rocks at her because she's American or something she's not wearing the prescribed attire yes everyone that defends her for being a rapist would say everyone wants to throw rocks at her yeah yeah that too so let's see I don't even remember where the film goes next I'm almost kind of like excited oh it's the cheetah scene so no one cares waiting for it to move on yeah I think they just get the next lead I guess from here they meet her in like a warehouse right oh yeah with the random Indian guy who pretends to be mine right there he is God this scene is so funny long it's another long scene but like remember the red flags she raises that's context they are discussing how they're going to defeat Maxwell and the stone and revert the wishes that's like the main thing they're talking about in the background Kristen Wiig is like oh I don't want that oh that's not something I want oh I like my wish I'm not doing that and they ignore her the entire time even though a part of his spell is that people pay attention to her oh yeah so when we were watching this they don't look up to her they don't respond to her it's like she's invisible in the room it's almost like they film the two scenes separately with her on one side of the table and Chris Pine and Wonder Woman on the other it is bizarre how nobody in the room reacts to anything that she says what if they did maybe that could help explain like why this scene is so fucking strange is that they recorded her parts separately um do they listen I have heard this movie was very heavily reshot but I don't know what aspects is there a scene where they're all in the frame together I think maybe when they arrived but uh I'm keeping an eye out for it oh that's actually backs of heads they can fake yeah that was the back of Gal Gadot on this yeah that's all I have to say about commentary on this scene it's so odd I've got another thing we don't know it at the time but this whole establishing that this is like a Mayan god wish crystal oh right they do nothing with the Mayan aspect no they do nothing with this to establish it's cool cause Mayan like South American mythology has got some crazy baller imagery with plume serpents and dragons and all kinds of crazy shit and so I think it would be really cool if cause eventually she turns into a weird thundercat cheetah lady turned into a Mayan mythology inspired like predator creature a dragon with all these colorful scales or a serpent yeah or something that was really cool they don't do anything with that it's just ah it's a weird grayish cheetah thing and instead of playing up the Mayan aspect they don't even get a real Mayan person they get an Indian guy who's pretending to be Mayan and it's played for a joke so yeah there's that so I mean this movie doesn't even work for like the progressive crowd they don't like it either nobody likes it no they picked a super villain a severe problem to see on top of what you've mentioned I'm not sure if you touched on them while I just had to duck out quickly um but for instance this is a key point in them figuring out how the wish mechanics work and there are massive leaps where you get the information out of the ether they just make it up and it's like oh that's how it works like Steve makes a connection with their monkey statue that it takes your most valuable possession where the hell did he get that information from he just says this is how like what most of it is it like Aladdin's lamp rules where like each person gets three wishes or something or is it like a one database of like three wishes from everybody and then they're seeking to undo all the wishes that have ever been made on this thing but what did it take from max what did it take from pager pascal his ability to not bleed through his ears no that was precious to him the ability to remain human so wouldn't his son die well so it was interesting he said most precious possession whatever wouldn't it be wonder woman's like whip or the thing that the watch from Steve not her powers right this is a bit more abstract was there a line about your most precious possession yeah he actually says it I'm pretty sure that Steve he says he figures it out it's like the monkey's poor it takes your most valuable possession and it's just that's not how the monkey power works that is not how the monkey's power works well taking away the powers would be like the obvious thing but then the thing it really takes would be a step beyond that where it's like no I'm going to take this thing super important if I remember the story correctly you get what you want for but in the worst way possible you can play with that for your university this is more like equivalent exchange where they call it monkey's ball twice specifically and I'm like no this isn't the thing at all no this doesn't help rags are you telling me that the writers don't know what they're talking about or what they're doing with the story I'm suggesting that you could have ended the sentences the writers don't know and that's a this show had writers so the idea apparently was that like it's taking their most valuable possession so what is the cheetah lose her humanity that's the most valuable possession was the fact that she was nice yeah it does sound like it was not valuable to her at all because she was a miserable person she'd hate the fact that she was so kind she wants to she wishes she had a backbone and a spine and she wouldn't let people walk all over her yeah the fact that she doesn't really lose anything except that she becomes mean as a result of the power she feels from the wish that's so stupid such a cop out so right now they're trying to reverse every single wish that's ever been made on this thing right is that the idea yeah but we don't know how many wishes have been made on this thing throughout time yeah there could have been like infinite an infinite amount which brings us to one of our other issues that we'll probably get to near the end we're on the same wavelength of that one how does a wish that was the consequence of which was you know her parents meeting or something right exactly that's what I was thinking yeah they never established what if you wished for something impossible or wished for something that sort of what if you wished for something because was this thing used back in the day like we're talking thousands and thousands years ago I wonder if a portion of reality is essentially riding on that or at least civilization and if you to break the stone and undo all wishes I don't know that probably doesn't have to be something that's interesting no but that makes sense though because this thing's been around for god knows how long has no one used it in the past thousands years you would think somebody did civilizations I was saying hmm can I give an edgy hot take when it comes to this from you pre-disavowed I kind of find myself hating the people that they use in movies now not that I know any of them or anything like that but kind of almost a form of like age bigotry I guess you could call it I keep seeing these posters and stills and clips of like California zoomers and millennials and these people do not look for a second like they have ever suffered anything in their entire lives they are very very attractive their skin is flawless they look kind of chubby not really as like muscular as I would expect from people who have lived a hard life and we're supposed to be like yeah so like Ray this is, I mean Ray's not actually too bad an example to be honest but like this is a person who's had a really rough life and it's like dude there was a girl who was photographed for the cover of like National Geographic magazine in the 90s and she was this like 12 year old Afghan girl with green eyes and the same girl had the same after she grown up had a photo taken like 15 years later you know I think she was about 30 and she looked old man and she had this thousand yard stare and it's like yeah and so when I'm seeing these like pudgy Californian leftists young people like I'm just looking at thinking there's just no way I'm convinced just by looking at you that you've been through anything you know you don't have life experience I just think about it's like you know like movies in the 90s you know the people are not often like so well manicured so well taken care of you know and I'm just thinking movies like Predator I believe the guys in Predator you know been through the school hard knocks you know but when I'm watching modern movies I'm just like and because it's all dripping in irony as well right nothing about it is sincere and so it kind of feels like these people have never all of the ideas that they have about hardship are kind of second hand ideas they've got from books or something and that's just I know that I'm giving a very vague point you know you can't pin down any like it looks to it's not fantasy but it's like an idyllic version of reality I agree on Ray it would be contextual example you're going for Sargon are you telling me that this woman doesn't look like she's a weathered warrior this you're telling me movies are fake only telling me she doesn't look like a battle tested warrior so you're telling me hasn't really been what three battles we don't even know what she's been in because she doesn't tell us we don't know anything about her character because she's not a character she's a a really a good example is Carl Urban right in the boys Carl Urban is character the way he looks and the way he acts he seems very much like a man of the world he looks rough you know he looks quite rugged he's he's not got you know smooth skin and he's not clean shaven and he doesn't look like he's spent every last second in the gym and on some kind of special Hollywood which means that you know the skin around his neck is like like shrink wrapped on right and you can see what a professional actor looks like a lot of time and I'm just finding it less and less convincing the more and more I watch it and I'm just like okay well she's literally a supermodel she's playing somebody who went through Will Will Want apparently it's like I know she was a superhero though I'm not saying don't use attractive people I'm not saying there's a part of it there's something about it that detaches me from the media you know I can't get into the thing I feel like I'm being shown a play I get what you mean seriously like 100% about Ray not only does she not look at all like she's had a horrible life growing up on a scavenger planet like living day to day she doesn't act like it either she's playful and adventure and you're like yeah but it's meant to be for like children or something there is the melody there's this one scene and I think it's the the last film of the new trilogy that just got me and this is where I can't shake the word sincerity there's a total lack of sincerity in Hollywood and it's when a matey boy the ginger guy who's the general is like I'm the spy and Poe's reaction is comical oh yeah so he's like what and it's like it sounds like something of a comedy that's the sort of thing I would say in my living room anymore sorry yeah that whole scene is bad the whole film is good yeah the problem I have of the yeah the problem I have of it is like real people don't live with this kind of sense of irony if there's like real danger coming at you know everything is not ironic everything's actually very serious very sincere about what's going on because you're about to get decked or whatever it is and yet in all of these like new Hollywood movies nobody seems to give a shit about what's happening and it's like okay I like I can't yeah they don't behave like characters in an actual world they behave like actors well for example like a loop taken to the extreme essentially for example if seconds ago you were about to be crushed between two tanks then your boyfriend suggests throwing an RPG at some children you don't go yeah you're more like holy fucking hell are you insane this is like oh but well it doesn't feel like any of the characters are in any danger right no that's exactly you knew every one of those characters is going to come out of this looking golden and I keep going back to Predator but if you go back to Predator like in the beginning when they're attacking the village yeah sure they're all macho men and they're invulnerable basically in aliens so aliens is another good example aliens is another great example the characters feel like they're in danger you know and even though they're these huge strapping guys the Predator can actually make like these massive dudes scared it gets you invested it makes you feel it's real yeah I have a lot of respect for I just wanted to say I have a lot of respect for actors and actresses who are willing to make themselves look rough like when you have somebody like right yeah or I was thinking like Charlize Theron in that movie Monster or a more recent example like Amy Adams and Glenn Close in Hillbilly Elegy where they make themselves look deliberately like unflattering for the sake of the role and it lends a realism to that role where you can take the story more seriously you're more engaged in the narrative that those characters are more believable and compelling and you don't get the sense like their hairstylist is just off camera you know ready to touch them up perfectly it's it sucks me out of it a common trope is the much like Wonder Woman got in this film the sexy wounds trope wherever they are hurt it's like oh no look at me I am hurt and you're like okay I've been damaged in a way that's never on my face always on the arm or the shoulder yeah I was just going to offer a recent example where like the character actually looks like it fits the part and it looks like they're suffering quite a bit is both the characters but especially Willem Dafoe's character in the lighthouse he's like the perfect example he just looks so worn down by like years of being a sea captain he just looks like absolute shit and it's amazing you know they look like they're really suffering in that movie as they should but this is why I really like Joker I read a review of it essentially the author of the review was complaining that he was like skinny and emaciated but not in a sexy way and I'm like I mean I agree it wasn't sexy but like ridiculous he was totally sexy why were you expecting that from he wasn't sexy like Jared Leto or like Mike Keaton in a bird man where like he just looks like shit he looks like the Jared Leto one is a great comparison as well because like he looks manicured and you know he's got like tattoos and he looks healthy he looks like in good condition he's playing a character rather than walking like a loon Jesse from Breaking Bad would get like his life is like drug addict junkie trader of drug stuff but he looks pretty awesome immaculate actor wise and so yeah that's one of the things I think if you could do Breaking Bad again they probably would have made him look a lot more like a drug addict and it might even help when he eventually becomes clean it would help that transition cause you'd see it and feel it a lot more his teeth are a little too perfect for somebody who is a chronic meth user yeah that's all of Hollywood though isn't it they'll do a film with cavemen the cavemen have got these straight white smiles and you're like right okay that's weird yeah that's the tendency you wanted to bring some an upshot to Sargon as well right oh yeah but just to ending off the Phillips that we were having before is that a good actor some of the best actors in fact have a real life experience and then they can try and connect it to the role that they're playing and you can usually sense that coming through in their performance and I think a good example is probably Robert Downey Jr's performance of Iron Man where he had some interesting parallels in his own life with the Tony Hawk character and it added a sense of authenticity to his performance that I think and everyone felt that he was made for the role I think there's a merit there I also wanted to mention just when we're talking about Gal Gadot wasn't she in the military for like a few years I don't know if she's in the active company in Israel yeah but so I don't know how well that translates and even if she could draw on real world experience she's not a good actor so she struggles a lot I assume we mean this in the most fundamental sense of I cannot detect I can't see what emotion she's trying to portray most of the time the one I detect probably isn't suitable for the scene like it I think the best example we actually found was that one where she was running she looks really bored yeah that was terrible wow I don't see the original Wonder Woman and like a no point and no point did I feel the character felt like they weren't in total control of the environment around them and I always find that really frustrating like where's the tension hey man in Mandalorian he has a suit of protection so the one episode where he doesn't get to have it none of his enemies have blasters for the first half and the second half they can't aim but I mean like in the Mandalorian when you know he gets attacked by the Rhino thing he's getting beasted that's one episode one time I agree yeah they only do that those for the plot reveal of the baby Yoda can use the force we're not going to have that be a plot reveal he would have fucking done great but would that have happened to Rey Rey would have befriended the beast and healed its wounds and it would have regurgitated we don't deny that he's as bad as Rey that's Rey of Estacy would have taken care of all that admittedly low status audience enhanced data driven analysis that is the Mandalorian yeah like because the robot studied the reaction to the sequels and it was like Disney this is not just get Luke out get his lightsaber out trust me we have succeeded we did good this is starting Bob Iger writes notes for the script the CEO of the company who used to be a weatherman I guess he worked on Roseanne too but he writes notes for the script for the Mandalorian that must be a nightmare it's generally remarkable how I'm not going to use your notes Bob Iger CEO but it's remarkable how mundane it is considering like this is the thing the fans are clinging to now how much time they devote and spend on combat and excitement I've never seen combat be so boring and dull yeah man if they could nail the combat maybe the season would have a point because that's clearly all they're trying to build to is just combat sessions because there's like such little character which by the way watch the original trilogy there's a lot of character in there that's why you care so much it's not the fight scenes guys the scenes we are learning about these people 100% agree it's the argument that Han Solo and Princess Leia are having would get you invested in the characters and I think that you think of Han it's what JJ Abrams said about TFA you think of Han, he's got his pistol and he's shooting stormtroopers no that's not what I think of Han it's embarrassing because it's like oh no it's the flanderization thing it's like what is Leia Leia is confidence and leading but she's a character no it's Luke depending on who you ask I suppose they all have very different answers yeah I felt genuinely bad for Mark Hamill man I never really thought about the way these characters affect the actors before because I always assumed it was a paycheck and then they move on but obviously in the case of Mark Hamill this has been a defining feature of his life as an adult he is this and watching Ryan Johnson basically piss up the wall I genuinely felt bad for him watching the interviews where he's like yeah no Luke wouldn't do this and it's like yeah you're damn right this is awful every time I've seen Luke after the original the original movies he doesn't behave like Luke would behave he's just he wears the face and he sounds like him but he's just a bizarre weird thing those depressing fucking interviews man Mark is trying to explain the problem and then there's that one where Ryan just takes the microphone and he's like yeah so anyways Luke just looks down that's obviously the fucking connection there puts his head in his hands his face down slowly watching those interviews gave me a lot of respect for Mark Hamill because he did his absolute best to be honest about things but he knew he was constrained by contracts and he went over the line a couple of times and he got in trouble but he really did his best he had a tough line to follow but you could tell he was trying to tell people the truth about the situation don't expect you're going to reclaim your childhood he's like what's that one where they say I completely disagree with everything my character does it's like okay that's a good start they say like what is unique about the last Jedi that is unlike any other Star Wars film he goes it's the longest encouraging thank you carry on good audio good audio he's like it's just I just felt bad for him the whole time that was a time 2018 just scrubbing through those interviews and finding all of his comments it was insane you'd never see that because watching interviews is usually boring because they have canned answers the best example is I forgot my name the one who plays captain phasmer and Brienne you could tell she was told to say it's great to play a character that's defined through her actions and her character she would just say that over and over she had nothing else to say but Mark he had a lot to say he's got a reputation where he can get away with it I'm sure they yelled at him but he can get away with that now and it was so refreshing to hear it was so refreshing to hear I disagreed with everything they wrote from my character but that's not my job I was like wow that's really honest they never talk like that you had to pretend he wasn't even playing Luke he was like this is a different Luke he was like wow there's no way Mark Hamill has TLJ in his hand there's no way there's no way everyone's waiting for them to either decanonize and move it to a different universe or just forget it to just actively creating content in the Star Wars universe but avoiding that era just stay away from it that's probably what they'll do because they're not going to actively decanonize it but they'll do stuff that contradicts it and then just not talk about it they've got like 10 years of wiggle room while I think that the Mandalorian is fucking horrible one good thing about it that I could probably say is legit nice is that the success of the Mandalorian probably increases the chances that they'll decanonize TLJ move away from it they will move away from it yeah definitely move away from it but I think it increases the chances because now they know to play it safe just show Luke cutting down robots that's what people like that's what people will clap at so just show that you can have him be a loser on an island I don't know I'm like fucking expectations I'm like a character still but I'll settle for this too yeah he's not a character but he's not like being assassinated he's an idealization that's a good like they didn't crap on OG characters but there are warning signs in the Mandalorian that are pointing straight to the sequel trilogy oh yeah it's the exact same issues as the sequel trilogy without the malice no they've actually inserted plot points like the fact that they needed Baby Yoda for his Medi-Chorin Count for a cloning project so they're obviously trying to make a clone that's a very powerful force user Snoke essentially that the remnants of the Imperial thing saying we want to bring order to the galaxy that's another the first order I'm worried man I'm worried that they're suddenly setting up the prequel story if they said like our goal is to you know create a great amount of context to make the sequel trilogy much more digestible I'd be like you're not gonna do it it's not gonna work yeah there's no prequel you can really give like even if they did I think I forget when Malar and I were talking about it if it was on a stream or not but in a theoretical season of a show where you have the Luke story between Return of the Jedi and TLJ fully fleshed out and explained in the best possible way and it was written brilliantly that still would only get you to now I can understand why they assassinated Luke but that doesn't mean they had to do it and they chose to do it anyway yeah it's like is it really worth it mending a bridge that takes you to a fire it's like I don't know yeah it's like yeah yeah this is a beautiful wonderful bridge that is constructed marvelously that leads to fucking horse shit there does seem to be a sort of air of malice about it though doesn't there we're deliberately subverting your expectations because fuck you yeah like Star Wars isn't we bought Star Wars you know like yeah the fans love it and we know all the stuff that they love about it and it's great but it's ours to do with because we please yeah we don't have to worry about it one thing I'll say in defense of Wonder Woman 1984 I know right crazy but I don't think a lot of this a lot of this stupid shit they've done in this movie like none of it feels malicious at all none of it feels like oh fucking fans for liking things it's like it's just horribly horribly incompetent and it's hilarious the best kind of incompetent yeah yeah they genuinely thought this was good they're not trying to like subvert your expectations like oh this character you like what if they were a coward now it's like oh this character you like what if you know they could summon invisible force fields out of their ass so what did Chaston why are you talking about Star Wars welcome to EFAP you must be in this first episode I see you're new here I'm rags welcome to Tangents yeah well good segue would be was the thing you wanted to ask us to relate to Wonder Woman 1984 oh there really is I think all of us want to know I think I know you go ahead well it requires a bit of a setup so Wonder Woman wishes a boyfriend back and instead of because they have a magic rock that could have just done anything they wanted he could have just materialized the ether and is here now they decided to have his soul essentially possess the body of another person okay just a random guy a random guy they didn't even name him like Mola pointed out in the credits he is hint why isn't it Mola that was from thought theater originally pointed that out first name handsome last name guy yeah he found that I guess but I found it fucking shocking as hell that they would have the balls to not name the characters used strictly for oof she's just a piece of meat who's who's the actor who plays the boyfriend just out of interest do you mean Chris Pine or do you mean the one who played the boyfriend she's trying to resurrect Chris Pine I don't know that Captain Kirk from like right okay so yeah sorry carry on okay so you would think that this would raise some pretty significant moral questions is like okay my boyfriend my dead boyfriend is now in possession of this other person's body okay not only do they not question that like once through the whole movie that this could be an issue they do certain things Chris Pine in possession of the body right can you guess what they do with this body consent I imagine that this would fall under many different categories of sexual assault we're done in real life so when you say sexual assault are you thinking kissing probably full on penetration I guess is where I'd expect it to go yeah there's a scene where they're in bed together it's the morning and they're in bed heavily implied without any question that alright they just had sex in someone else's body so the comparison to this is if there was a girl who got someone drunk unconscious and put the a mask on this guy of a dead boyfriend and then had their way with this person without they consent that's the that would be the comparison to this that would certainly be something that would land you in jail I would think yeah that's what Wonder Woman does in the movie so yeah I like a good ethical dilemma in my films it could have been they could have like so the film never recognizes this or brings it up and neither does our amazing heroine this is never something that's in any way addressed there is no attempt to resolve it because there is not an issue that's even there to be resolved it's a very weird and uncanny just lack of recognition that this is a thing that's happening and this guy has he lost his bodily autonomy basically for all intents and purposes this old guy, this one guy has been just whisked away away from existence so that Chris Pine can now control his body in his life as if that was the way things had always been and as if the guy doesn't have any claim to his old life and they were willing by implication because Wonder Woman wanted Steve to stay with her and never leave they were willing to that guy's life away like he's dead now we don't care yep apparently all of the audience detected this but none of the people who made this thing did bizarre the question of whether or not it's rape do you think it do you not think it hinges on where the persona of the original handsome guy is like whether he's been forced out of the body or but is he still in the body but just squished to the side he doesn't have any control but he can observe what's happening he's like no don't have sex with me it's never addressed it's like he never existed and Chris Pine now owns his everything, his life right I do wonder where that original persona is floating around looking for a body like hey what are you doing with my body he runs into Wonder Woman at the end of the film and he doesn't recognize her so I don't think that would be the case that he's aware of what's happening it could be that by erasing all of the wishes his mind was wiped of the event itself because he's an entity that was fucked with for this wish I haven't seen the movie so is there a scene near the end where the original guy inhabits his original body which we hold on so he's been inhabited by Chris Pine's consciousness for how many days exactly we're not sure let's say a week his own consciousness returns to his body but he has no memory at all of what happened in that week because then he would have addressed her in a different way than he does in the reveal it's strange so it's like the film doesn't know of course it has no idea what's happening he reappears essentially so Wonder Woman just encounters handsome man and they just strike up a friendly random conversation the shocking thing here is that Diana is not a dick to him for no reason but it's as if they have just met and it's the first time and nothing is wrong at all despite all of the events in the film apparently things just carry on as normal despite the incredible cataclysm of what's just occurred it's very bizarre it's really unclear how that works if you wake up like a week ahead of when you were last conscious and you have no memory at all of what happened wouldn't you be like trying to figure out what the fuck just happened to you well like your job would be calling you and your family like where are you what's going on like what's happened and all the food would like you got a your faces is on the security footage of you breaking into the Smithsonian with this random woman yeah we just really just briefly mentioned it but yeah like he could wake up in a prison cell for all the crimes he's committed with Wonder Woman honestly I didn't expect the movie to be smart enough to even like give the original guy his body back like I thought they were just going to ignore that yeah he's just gone forever you know right because that's just what happens I'm surprised to hear that they actually bring him back I can imagine he had a girlfriend always married oh yeah he has a life of his own obviously I mean if they are going to bring him back what's the implications of that and it's not thought about at all I think chat said this or I think chat or one of the hosts I'm sorry I'm just going to say that I think chat or one of the hosts today guest said it like what if his wish was to actually do Wonder Woman because he just saw her and his monkey spa consequences that his body yeah his body does it and he doesn't remember doing it doesn't remember yeah that's it for the structure of the film no one else had access to the wishing stone before there was a guy that was arguing with me about this on Twitter he tried to say that oh well what happened was well you don't know that the guy didn't just die of alcohol poisoning or sickness like a day before and then came back to life with Chris Pine in his body what the fuck and if the roles were reversed I mean if the genders were reversed there would be outcry Twitter would be on fire the Mary Sue would be frantically typing out their articles so Sargon when you do watch this movie because you absolutely should keep in mind that the people who wrote and directed it consider themselves feminists it enhances the experience I would say oh I look forward to watching it well speaking of is everyone ready for me to continue with this incredible plotline I'm actually I'm going to duck out because it's nearly half two here and I'm actually shattered thank you very much for having me on it's been very nice to meet you nice to meet you sir happy new year Sargon keep up the good work we'll see you soon bye what a pussy I know three bigots down now I just want to say that particular point on Twitter that handsome man just died before the events of this film he tried to cite the show Lucifer as that being possible where apparently a person dies a goddess or something possesses the body and then after they leave the body the person comes back to life it's like okay that's in Lucifer it's not established to be the case in this thing no it's implied very heavily because he's alive after Chris Pine leaves his body and is perfectly fine that he was not on death's bed at all like great they just repurposed his body through that whole thing technically Lucifer is a DC property still a stretch nope good enough I didn't realize they owned the devil they did they acquired the rights Warner Brothers acquired the rights to Satan in the 70s when they took over can I acquire the rights to God and Jesus? I feel like that would be quite lucrative for me I think the Bible is pretty sure they're public domain now DC did a treasure edition on the inventors of him long dead um alright so she's gone cheetah at the end of the discussion she did try to tell them again and again that she's the villain in this scene but they just couldn't pick it up unfortunate I'm quite interested in how quickly cheetah accepts the whole wish thing I mean every for this point they were like we just need to get the stone back she's like I'll help she walks in and she's just hit with this magic and wishes and she's like oh okay sure no question all the characters have to do that because as much as this film is bloated it's also dense different points we need to move really fast with all this now you can enjoy the fish out of water scene where he looks so close no no no no the mind god let's move now you can look at fireworks the visible jet it's going to be wonderful that's a really good point at moments it's completely dense wait hold on slow down and then other scenes they take forever just last for a really long time very true Maxwell is like sort of things are becoming unstable he's bleeding out of his eye and he's soon to bleed out of his ear and he's supposed to be taking care of his son he's trying to sort out all these wishes and stuff it's all catching up with him so to speak and he's just struggling to keep it all together I think we're getting the scene soon the one that I actually really like yeah does he have some kind of degenerative condition now that he's made no that's just BLC no it's just no but he is bleeding though right yes it seems like he's being gradually killed by the fact that he is a wish stone I don't really understand it which is something that they make up I don't anyone here follow that clarify I okay my initial impression was that like if he doesn't keep granting wishes he'll keep deteriorating but someone said that like the more he yeah so I'm confused about that well Gary you saw it twice do you remember any details that explain this no as a matter of fact what I remember is he was coughing before he got the stone so it felt and we had I had this conversation with the guys at Friday night hights it felt like he was gonna he had some health problem that they just edited out and then they just he could have well wish him well yeah yeah that's a good point just like eternal health maybe yeah yeah this whole bleeding and desperation to grant wishes yeah so Gary you could be his friend in real life he writes this stuff down like wish this for me please you could be like what do you mean like that doesn't mean just say this out loud hold my hand just do it for me friend you just trust me okay and you do it they go conflict over like who do I get the magic in do I get the wish wind yes yes real golden locks it'll make you wibbly wobble over and feel great again wait a reason there are people in chat who know about the wish wind it's gonna be relevant it's coming we're gonna bring it back up you'll I guess the reason I thought that he had to keep granting wishes to avoid deteriorating physically was because otherwise I don't get why he's so compelled to keep granting wishes at larger and larger scales yeah so that kind of plays into how they they take the idea of this character and they just take him to crazy land yes that's part of the problem with Maxwell is the there is something there but it gets ruined by these other weird ideas they want to throw in but go ahead wish him well like wouldn't there be a monkey's paw effect on him no he would their wish would come true and he would get to take whatever he wants from them so you'd be like Gary I'm having a hat and you'd be like oh here you go yeah and that's all you'd have to do to fulfill the arrangement where he gets to take stuff he just takes something that's basically inconsequential to them and looking at things through the current year lens of Hollywood maybe there was some kind of commentary on the 80s and capitalism and greed he kept on saying I want more I just want more and what did Reagan wish for more nukes more nukes oh we're almost to that oh yeah the fucking present yeah joke of a scene was that supposed to be Reagan in the White House supposed to be Reagan yeah I guess it was but they didn't find a guy who looked like him so it was a little confusing it's weird but I didn't get the strong vibe on the first watch that they were going for any sort of overt political or satirical message but then when people talk about it I'm like maybe I guess that was the point but honestly it could just be incompetence that it wasn't nailed the only I'm sorry but like the IMDb credits say it's just POTUS not Reagan for Reagan was literally Ronald Reagan it's generic president but I think I took it as generic president but the idea is that it could still be an attempt at satire of Reagan but even then I'm not sure about that I doubt it too because if you're going to attack Reagan you don't attack him over ending the cold war it's like economic stuff or whatever you know this is hard I would hate Reagan so I can't assume they call it a POTUS but I've just had way too much experience I don't know I think he probably won I mean I can believe it's a general shot the presidency right at least future pass would have like a guy that actually looked like Nixon played Nixon I think like Fargo season 2 had Bruce Campbell playing as Reagan it's like you can get actors that can look like a younger Ronald Reagan or Ronald Reagan in his presidency but you know Campbell was good at like the mannerism sort of and also they had the big bust as in the signs that said Reagan so that helped a lot as well so people in chat are talking about the idea especially with Max Lord is that it's supposed to be Trump but this is where I really don't see that political message because his character is too nuanced and sympathetic to be a portrayal of someone that they think is like literal evil and in the end he gets sort of a happy ending yeah dude he's the most sympathetic character in the whole movie yeah and also he gets the minority to build the wall so I don't get some Mexico to pay for it well a lot of people got that impression because Patty Jenkins came out and said it she came out and said that he was one of the inspirations for the character and she failed at that she completely failed yeah so that's death of the author there for you I didn't think it's well communicated at all honestly he's the most sympathetic character in the movie like you said so she goes yeah it's supposed to be Trump because he's so bad right and I'm like no I mean maybe if the film is actually supposed to be pro Trump sure yeah maybe he's trying to argue that the film was like yeah I want more of him Trump is a good person he's trying his best that's what's important Mahler hello I gotta go oh no I gotta help my mom we're making lunch for new year so you know what you make the shit out of that lunch weekend can I drop by later because the second half of this the second half of the sentence description is kind of interesting so I kind of want to drop by if I could later the second half of the sentence description yeah the and a response from oh sure I mean I think that's interesting I know people still wait for that guys it's in order we got to do order one breakdown first we still haven't completed that okay we're getting there yeah yeah yeah jump jump back lunch and if I can drop by later yeah okay so have a happy new year good sir happy new year man happy new year happy new year god bless have a good one bye bye VLC has been one of the best guests of this EFAP I think fucking haunting oh my god oh no it actually reminds me of hobby dead from the dark night like this yeah I was about to say yeah that's really good I love glitch art that's amazing dude with the red eye as well and his lips have like gone a bit purple because of the I don't know the glitch he looks like a ghoul hey yeah nice regarding the depiction of presidents I feel like in present day stories the application of like generic president guy makes more sense but if you're telling like a period movie there's almost an obligation to like yeah display the president it's impossible you should anticipate that people will assume you're going to be referencing Reagan in some form if you're going to pick this timeline as well as like whatever you have that president do and say how can anyone not interpret that as your commentary on the presidency you'll be like yes yeah I mean I mean the wise idea is just to play him neutrally yeah right avoid having or cast someone who looks literally nothing like Reagan yeah if you want to be like be very like make him a character who is like neutral in the sense of his intelligence and his morality but give him the like you can even be almost like a caricature not in an insulting way but where he's just hyper his mannerisms and his accent and stuff like that just for funsies but not in an insulting way right so yeah he's totally dying and we just had a montage of him granting wishes to people and this is what I mean about this film it is wonderful at not getting across what it's trying to say you're sitting here like wait is he dying are the wishes stopping him from dying or the wishes killing him and does he just want to cast wishes because he is a wish thing is this for his overall goal is this because he just wants to grant wishes does he have like a is this for his son is this for his job right now shouldn't all of it have been fixed by now so you don't really understand and what's unfortunate about it is now we get the scene that we were all big fans of actually which he yeah this is a really good scene here which made us angry that they don't do anything with this like idea it's really unfortunate so the context here is that he I guess now figures the way he can best care for his son is just if the son wishes for his life to be great because that will just be a guarantee and the conversation isn't even like from what I remember the dialogue was relatively well written in terms of how the conversation flows and the kid instead of asking or wishing that his life is great he wishes for his father's life to be great and it's granted and of course his father's like no you and it's a nice sort of way to create a meaningful sort of dramatic steak that is ruined on such a micro level like you wanted him to wish himself better but he wished you better and that's bad because that's not what you wanted but it's so sweet coming from the son yeah the three best scenes in the movie are like the first scene with the son are these two characters? this scene with the son and then the scene at the very end with the son yeah those are the three scenes that I like in this film but ironically I guess and it's funny as well because I really I really wanted said explicitly that Pedro Pascal is so good in this movie I really do think he's incredible he's putting his not just compared to everyone else I think he's actually really really good because he does do a great job he is owning this character he wants to emote exactly as this character should be you know he wants us to feel what this character feels and sometimes it works for everyone that's seen the DCEU films is it safe to say that he's the best DCEU villain so we've got Zod Steppenwolf Ares the guy from Shazam all of the DC villains are very very archetypal aren't they like they're just the I am big and powerful you will die air bones one dimensional what do you think Gary who's the best DCEU villain in the movies hey do you have like civil wars with people in your you know groups and stuff like these DC movies oh yeah there's people who love them there's a giant group of people who love the Snyder Cut people and yeah I mean I'm awfully soft on superhero films because I'm a lifelong comic book fan and I've watched so many crappy ones it's just like but yeah there's a giant faction who love the Snyder Cut and they are a lot of them are my subs and you know I loved it I mean I didn't like the movie Batman vs Superman but I like moments in it but I like that the fans got something they wanted I think that's rare so that's why I back it but I mean I can't tell you it's good but alright fair enough DCU Joker not from Suicide Squad I know it's not the best oh wait you're referencing Joker Joker as in walking Phoenix yeah oh yeah oh he doesn't count I'm removing him from the selection you're not allowed that's that's too easy Gary that is too easy for you to grab you're not allowed him he's going on the shelf yeah because he's not Joker is not part of the DCU at least not right now who knows what I'll do I'm trying to cheat Deathstroke at the end I have like 2 seconds of screen time it's the best you know Gary I think that's that's a fair choice but I guess the only reason why he would come above Max for me would just be the fact that he's not in any way broken Max is a weird one like to judge fully but I still think he's better than basically all the other I am big and strong and I will kill you oh no I lost villains in the DCU yes arc side and to everyone in the better in the Snyder Cut but yeah I guess as it stands I wasn't impressed with Pedro Pascal's performance at all what he was more like a victim in a Twilight Zone I didn't really see him as a villain well I don't even disagree with you on that actually I think he's the protagonist that's how I would categorize him it's hard to just call him a straight up villain I think especially because at the end he learns his lesson yeah he's his antagonist I don't think so I think he's the part look he's Bruce Almighty he's doing Bruce Almighty's whole movie the only problem is the movie doesn't realize he's the protagonist sometimes that's all yeah that's kind of a good point he kind of is the protagonist and I want to say to anyone in chat who I saw saying that he's amming it up and overacting in this movie to quote Patrick Willems you have bad taste I don't want to be friends with you Molly you brought that up Diana's interactions are minimal other than just trying to stop her but we're following his journey throughout the entire film so the big significant learning moment for him is not prompted by her the film thinks it is but it's not she says like renounce the wishes because that's the good thing and then the whole world starts doing it don't live about the lies, tell the truth please it's only when his son is like scared and screaming and like he senses that he's like I renounce my wish because he doesn't want the ultimate thing he wants is his son to be safe he wants what's best for his son, yeah he's got nothing to do with Wonder Woman she's just there also between Maxwell Lord and Wonder Woman one of them is a rapist and it's not Maxwell Lord also, that's what I mean one of them learned something the other one just cries because Steve Trevor has to leave she's awful and the inciting incident for him has nothing to do with her he just happens to meet her she fights him at portions in the movie so she is clearly his antagonist she's trying to stop him from being able to complete his goals and then he learns that the goal what he wanted was not what he needed it is his film Wonder Woman just has to be in it is the requirement for a character being a part of the extended universe just that they need to have multiple depictions in the context of a multiverse like there needs to be multiple versions of that character technically it's not it was supposed to be it's because they've completely separated it and they went against their own canon because she wasn't supposed to be around for a hundred years and she was flopping around the freaking mall in the White House in her costume I'm sure that would have caught somebody's eye at some point and then many people have brought up that the romance doesn't age works at the same place someone said Max only sees his son because of the whip is that true? how does that make sense? what was the question? Max only sees his son because of the whip of truth how does that work? oh yeah she can implant visions into people through the lasso oh okay I guess if that's the case if that's the case she has more involvement in it than I previously thought but that still doesn't make her the protagonist she's just a person in the story I think the film would be better if she was not in it that's what I'm trying to get at yeah if we just had the story this story is set up almost it seems like it's almost purpose built specifically for a tale about a man who doesn't want who loves his son and doesn't want his son to go through what he did and wants the best for his son and is doing everything in his power to try and make the world a good place for his son and his son great in it and it's about the follies of losing sight of what's important to you and how you can be corrupted by greed and everything along the way this story is just set up so well for this concept a guy who can get pretty much anything he comes across this power it potentially solves all of his problems how does he deal with it and um I just don't do anything with it it's just almost like the most interesting aspect of this movie and just like like the woods randomly where was that transmission station how did he get there how did his kid survive all that I learned this from Patrick Willems when you cut from one thing to another thing whatever the character needed they got it okay that's how it works and if you disagree you disagree with the concept of montage which has been established in film for decades sir are you a filmmaker no okay so then I can have a murder mystery where the first scene is the detective going to the crime scene for the first time and then the very next scene is them arresting the killer we can just infer everything happened in between I'm glad we have this conversation that's a really good movie you just made talk I was really impressed with how everything came together I just didn't know glad it all worked out there was no filler at all the pacing was excellent if I wanted me to like this movie with the focus of Bax we think that Bax is the closest thing to quality they have in this film it's all garbage still it's just like there's something there we are mining we're mining much like his team were mining for oil it's the connection there you see that's how you do oil these days right you mine for it oil yes drill you mine for oil and you bucket it and send it up a mine shaft and put it into the trucks that's how they do oil now I wonder how much of that personally that he brought to the film because I think when you have really good actors they'll look at a script read their character and be like this is mediocre I want more no matter how weird any actor is in their personal lives or on social media whatever I usually try and separate their acting prowess like I've said this before and I'll say it again Mel Gibson he's really fucking good that is best as an actor he says some strange things I'm just like whatever just talking about the acting Peter Pascal when he has something to work with even apparently when he doesn't have much to work with he still tries and I don't this is what I mean my brain is like what about Mandalorian though and I'm like I don't know I can't explain Mandalorian I don't know why he's just a he's just a bore let me get my let me see what I think it's a good could it be that he's just being directed to be as like stoic as possible to the point of just being a boring character we use a dull inconsistent personality vacant plot armor-wearing luck machine yeah well I'm strictly talking about his performance like he when given when given certain lines like we play I played one of them in the I think it was mini six or seven with the Mandalorian he's supposed to say like she's like I will not train him and he's supposed to say what but he goes what and it's such a like what the hell was that delivery why do you sound so strange and then a lot of lines as you guys know real well is hello I don't think he would have taken that role based on the role I think he took it because it was Star Wars and it meant some kind of exposure for him and then yeah he got it and then he probably had some money into a Disney show and they probably paid Disney bucks right I wonder if he gets a role they definitely played Disney bucks I wonder if he got a a seasons of recording done in like two hours or something I could believe it it's gonna be interesting to see when the vision comes out to see if it's a Disney thing for the episodes to be so short or if it was just a Mandalorian thing yeah yeah yeah I think season 3 of Mando is gonna be super interesting to see in terms of Mando's involvement in the whole season and how much they crank the fan service considering everything glib in chat said that like Mandalorian he's wearing a helmet and he might like that he might as well be doing ADR in a booth he absolutely is doing yeah I believe that that doesn't mean he has to pull in a bad performance though I mean there's no way to get clean audio with a mask on anyway he's just doing it all cleanliness of the audio it's just the way that everything is delivered oh yeah the example I just gave what it's like you can totally you can deliver that a million ways with a mask on or not and I just why it's so lame like all of his performances as Mandalorian a lame and I think we have to assume it's the director slash whoever else is saying like this is the character you play him this way they must well what I mean is they give a fuck to tell him to be mundane to be stoic as I feel like stoic is getting abused as a weird we have muted it's it's are you a Jedi it's dull it's disdainful it's it's distant it's like you're somewhere but you're here physically but not in spirit and it's not the fact that he's recording all his lines ADR that's the problem it's the fact that he's definitely being directed to be a nothing of a character also compared to Bobo I'm almost always inclined to blame the directors for poor performances is especially when you know someone can be good in something else, I feel like people often blame actors when it's definitely how they're being directed. I think that seems to be the case more often than that. Oh yeah, this is proof of that I feel with Pedro here. When they're like accusing him of having stolen the Mandalorian armor and Boba said he delivers it like this armor belonged to my father. It's like very aggressive and defensive. It's really cool because he also has an amazing accent. Mando would do it that way, we've been this armor is belonged to my father. No, even trying to mock his dullness, I'm more exciting and interesting. That's the thing, he's hard to mock because whenever you try to mock how dull he is, you overshoot it and you make something more interesting by accident. Your natural human instinct is to put some level of emotion in care into how you express yourself. It's hard to caricature a monotone voice.  Yeah, I think that's it.  As long as your bias is showing more, I am biased toward Boba rather than Mando because Tamira Morrison is an actor, at least in Mandalorian. I don't mean to say Peter Pascal is not an actor, but in Mandalorian you wouldn't be able to tell. Tamira Morrison is like a lot of, he's great. I want more of him. I just wish he had better scripts to work with because yeah, I think we've already been over that. Beyond the dad bod, which is fine. Yeah, I honestly, I'm willing to roll with it if I get more of him talking about how he feels about Mandalorians, the world in general, the empire, his position in it. God, I want some characters, please. Are you talking about Boba Fett or Bilber? Boba Fett, I mean, like Boba Fett's dad bod actually made him look stronger and tougher. Yeah, he looks like someone up. He looks like an actual dad bod on Boba Fett. Yeah, he looks like an actual strong person, not a bodybuilder, but an actual person who is strong. He's just a lot shorter now. It would be interesting to see over the seasons if his bod does kind of tone up a bit and change a little over time. Oh, dude, it'd be awesome if he really gets into training up for, because I think he likes playing that role and knowing he has his own TV show, that might get him in a position where he's like, oh, dude, yeah, and I would, I would imagine he's over the moon. Does he knows? Yeah. If we make a Boba Fett show with like several seasons, we're going to just be printing money. Yeah.  It was my TV show. I'm going to be, I'm going to look good for it. Hell yeah. I believe he totally, yeah. It's almost like it was, it was experimental to bring him back, you think? Yeah, I think they were testing the waters with it probably. Yeah. And then now that they know how people feel about it, you know, by the time episode eight rolled around, they were like, yep, we're giving him a TV show. I think, well, it matches, right?  I hope so. I mean, he was in season one at the end. That was him getting age of eight, but yeah. Yeah, but that could have been anybody. Oh, well, it's a steak of sorts, as in like, we're set. We could, you could argue he's, he's dripping into the Mandalorian show from the start, quote unquote. And so it's like, oh, he's always been there. It's a shell that he can take over for Pedro.  It does match up actually. I don't know why, especially knowing the react. They knew they would get a reaction. Maybe not as big of a reaction with Luke coming back, but they knew they would get a reaction. And then to wait a year, it's going to be a full year till we get another Mandalorian and just fill it with Boba Fett, which isn't bad. It's not a bad thing. It's just, you would think you would want to run on that momentum. And it's not a shooting schedule thing. They don't have to travel. I mean, it's harder, harder because of the COOF, but they have that studio, that, that screen that they use, other technologies, but at the dude, that's going to make, you know, it's not perfect by any means, but I, that's the one thing I think is good about it. I like how they, the way they shoot that. I mean, I think it's really cool.  I wish they had good writers because we'd be in, this would be a miracle. We'd be getting 11 TV shows made for all these different characters in a world we love, and it's all really well supported and delivered. And they all come in and out of each other and connected. We're going to have a story event as KK described it. Like it sounds so corporate when you put it that way. We shall have a story event.  And of course, what we're actually getting is 11 TV shows that we, we have no clue on what, what it's going to look like. Just going to hope it's good. It'll be a surprise if one of them is actually like a diamond in the rough. Kind of thing. All depends on who writes it. And Favreau is like the best of them right now. And he wrote.  Here's the thing though. He's, Favreau is horrendously bad with writing, but he might be the best because the, no, the Rogue One writer, surely it's better. Oh, you're talking about Gareth Edwards? Maybe, yeah. Did he write or did he write? Yeah, he's better. But that's, that's, I mean, that's the, the Cassian Andor series. So what's interesting about that though is the John's Favreau seems to know how to balance the line between complete his Disney gods and also do writing that won't make everyone angry. Because Gareth Edwards got pooped out, right? Like despite Rogue One success, he's not writing for Star Wars ever again, or at least it seems that way. Like Rogue One got reshot quite a bit. So I don't know, but if John is the best we got, I really hope we can bring in some guest writers. That'd be cool. So Gareth Edwards just directed Rogue One. He didn't write. Gary Witte wrote, wrote, co-wrote Rogue One. I could have sworn that Gareth Edwards. Four writers credited for Rogue One. Is Gareth Edwards in those credits or no? No, he's just the director. Just the director. I don't know. I am, if, if John Favreau is the best writer for Star Wars right now, then it is by technicality.  That is a very unpopular opinion on other parts of the internet, but I agree with you as well. He only has like nine writing credits in total, and the only one that I recognize that's prior to Mandalorian is the movie chef that he did. But yeah, Iron Man and Chef I think of the things that people usually are like, that's they're good. He didn't write Iron Man. He didn't. Well, it's considered his work though. This is the problem. Like I do, I do want to stress just because you don't have a writing credit does not mean you have nothing to do with the writing.  Yeah, sure. They wrote Iron Man and then they shot it. He also directed Elf, you know? Yeah, Elf was good. Like Swinger. Obviously this is kind of the problem with the director in some respects, but they get to choose what to actually film and have people, you know, for example, a line when filming, they could be like, hey, try this other line, actually. Oh, for sure. And then, you know, then it's not to negate what the director has influence on in terms of the writing and how it's all presented. But there is a difference between John Favreau as a writer and just as a director, someone else's script, you know? Yeah, no, I agree. If you cite it as a writer rather than- You never know if on-screen credits, there's all kind of money politics behind like the filmmaking process. People want their names erased or people get uncredited work. Yeah, as a writer on a script, it's sort of a shorthand, but it's roughly, if you contribute more than like 10 or 20% of the total script, you get a writing credit.  There's a certain threshold that you have to hit. It's kind of arbitrary, but, you know.  Well then, wishes start getting granted all over the place. And so at this point in the movie, you're like, oh, Gigi, all someone has to do is vote a wish for like, you know, total destruction and everything's over, which this is some depressed people out there. Have we skipped Wonder Woman's transportation, shall we say? No, no, no. Okay, I'm just making sure. Because this is Max's moving through the country and just granting wishes. And this guy has a farm now, and that means a bunch of cows appeared next to him. Interesting, again, interpretation from the Monkey's Paw. It's like, I think you shall have cows if you wish to have a farm. Okay. This comedy shot as well of it padding to be like, look, cows. You're like, okay. Is this actor a cameo? Did he used to play someone famous or is he an actor I'm just not familiar with? Is that why they have this? It seems like one of those Stanley kinds of things they just add in. Yeah, I don't know. I don't know.  Because that's just what it feels like. VLC definitely wasn't helping with this. No, VLC. I'm trying to recognize it. I don't know what you're talking about. VLC. He used to play Wonder Woman. No, he used to play Wonder Woman. Was that right here? Yeah, yeah. Male or female, someone walking the dog with cameo? So the guy's name is Joe Palka. And his credit... He used to play Wonder Woman. He gets to be known as Cow Man. Naver slash Cow Man. That was the one who told him what was happening. That's the... I was confused by the whole thing. Well, that's Gene Hudson Miller and his credit is Doug Walker. I mean, Doug Walker. Oh. That was a hot scene. Yeah, it don't appear to be special at all. So this scene, someone remind me what happens in this scene. Is this the one where they realize that Steve's got to die? Yeah, Steve is like, oh, yeah, if you want to... But remember, Steve says, if you want to get your powers back to defeat her, right, you have to let me go. It's not, holy shit, we've just hijacked another person's life and we can't do this, isn't right. So you can get your powers back. I need to go. That directly implies that they would have been happy for Steve to have remained in that body forever. Like, they didn't care. Kind of does. It does sort of... See, it does implicitly...  He's like, we can't do this. This guy has to have his life back. It's unfair. Like, just because I die doesn't mean I can take someone else's life. Yeah. That would be a story. That would be a story, wouldn't it? I specifically wish Steve back with a bad hair dye job, too. That's why my wife was totally hung up on that one. Like, you see it's, like, orange because he's going gray. Was he gray in the first one? I don't remember it. No, he wasn't. Not to that extent. I don't remember. There's too much white in that scene. It's like they're in purgatory or something. Maybe that's what it means. Oh, my goodness. This is the crossroads. Guys, that means it's good. Oh, wow. Listen, I'm impressed with the... Interesting series of credits.  I played this guy's landlord on a show in 96 and also a cowman in Wonder Woman 84 in 2020. Look out for me. I'm the cowman. It makes me wonder how do you get picked for these rolls? Two entire credits in Wonder Woman 84. An extra that, like, took a 24-year break. He just didn't do any work in that period. Oh, I would watch a cowman movie. So, yeah, now we're looking at security footage and news to try and get a lead. And this is where they just randomly drop on us that Wonder Woman has a whole suit of armor that her mother used to have when she defended the Amazonians from humans back in the day. Oh, I forgot about that. That's not her mom, though. It's just not her mom that had the armor. That's what it was. So did she go back to her home in between Wonder Woman 1 and 2? I don't know. I don't... But it's not her mom. It's just a famous warrior from their tribe. It's Athena, right? Oh, is it? Yeah, because... An apnea or any... It's going to end up being Linda Carter. And that's not her mother. Sleep apnea is... I could have... Maybe I mix it up because I thought the mum... The mum was the queen of the Amazonians and the queen of the Amazonians did this. Oh, maybe I mix it up. Yeah, it wasn't her mom. It was the great warrior, Karen, or whoever, who had their invincible armor and killed all the managers. Asteria. Asteria, yeah. And... Yeah, well, you know what? I... It was funny. When we saw this, I think we're like, wait, she has the power to send visions to people through her whip. We actually do see it in the first film when Aries electrocutes her whip and makes us see visions of a world without humans. So, you know, this precedent in a weird way. This precedent. And of course... Did you read the first one? I probably should have done that. I haven't watched it in a couple of years. We were not impressed. That's terrible. Yeah. And I hear it's the best of the DCEU, so I am excited to see you again. It is. Oh, my God. But yeah, if now is the time, you wish to go back to whatever it is you do on a New Year's night, Mr. Negrotic. I'm gonna go yell at Paul and both people, and Holly will know. Enjoy a little time with the family. Sorry I got a bug out. It's been a blast. It was nice meeting all you guys. Thanks for having me on Moller. Yeah, man, absolutely. It's always a blast. And it's good to get more input from different people about this incredible movie that capped off 2020. I can't believe I'm talking about it. But yes, no, it's been a lot of fun. Happy New Year, everyone. Be safe. Yes, see you around. Happy New Year, dude. Nice talking to you. Bye. Bye. Bye-bye. Oh, my God. Two hours to New Year's. I think now we can go back to the normal amount of people thing on the Discord. Look at that, everyone. Finally, we can calm down. Yeah, cheese. A full-on party. Oh, wow. There you go. Now we fill the space. Now there is no space lacking, even though we're all a bit colder now because of the icicles. Oh, yeah. How far are we into the movie at this point? One hour and 41 minutes. Oh, wow. So long. In time, what are we at? We were at six, seven, eight hours? I can't remember anymore. When did we start? At least seven. Yeah. I think we've always been here. This is purgatory. I was born on the stream, and I'll die on the stream. So I found this amusing. You've got this woman surrounding herself in these wings against an army of Spartans, and none of them think to try and attack her through the top. You can just sneak that blade in. You'll get her in the face. But this armor, by the way, gets torn away by Cheetah. Of course, she's stronger than all the men. Well, what is the wording of that spell for Cheetah to become the most powerful thing in the history of the world sort of thing? She says something like, I don't want to just be like Diana anymore. I want to be number one. I want to be an apex predator. Something like that. Gosh. So she gets two wishes. Well, enter our discussion on how many wishes you get. No, no. We went over this earlier. It's not that she gets another wish. It's that he provides through the payment from other wishes. He provides her, you like points to do, and he says, you will get what you want, or you will get strength. I can't remember. It's that's what Shad said. It's not made clear. No, well, again, super strong like thing in this movie. Things are just not translated well to the audience at all. I brought this up with, I think you were in the call right with Jay. Every single piece of awful content seems to have like a particular issue that's in it more than anything else has this issue. Like this one has all your standard stuff.  Yeah. You can contradict rules.   That is really dumb. But at least I understand what you told me. And it's a concept I'm, yeah, I could, I'm, I can sort of imagine vertigo in my head kind of, not knowing which way is up. Okay. They don't have the knowledge of which way is up. Okay. Super dumb, but I follow. Someone said Shad's audio is not working. Shaddy, all right. Yeah. Can you hear me? Yeah. All right. Yeah. Okay. If it's good, it's good. Yeah.  I hate it. Why would you say that? It's terrorist. So more. Well, it seems like the own, she only ever uses it for defense by using the wings. Even in this flashback, it's only the wings trying to defend things.  Yeah, broken off.  Can I highlight this guy right here? Can I go on my coaster on him? This guy, look at, he's aiming for the golden wings. Let's see where his sword goes. Oh, you almost had it. They're like vaguely gesturing toward the golden statue. That's good enough. It's going to look good when post guys, I swear.  Can he be trusted? I don't know. So yeah, he's just like, what is this? And then she's like, this is what it is through her memory tism thing. And then it's like, okay. And it's one of the most obvious, like this will be relevant later. You're like, all right. Yeah, exactly. She could have just described it to him, but we have to set up that the whip can now broadcast. Broadcast the truth to people. Obviously. Question mark. That'll come handy later. Well, that is weird, right? I guess she chooses what you see and it can be something from history slash, well, just something that happened or is happening. So what does it mean when it says it's like showing you the truth? What is like who? It's not that simple is the point. I mean, the truth is what happened. Well, can she open up visions to another place? Like she could use it to spy or like, because she essentially shows Max his son. That's like divination kind of ability. I don't really get it. I'll be honest with you, Shad. I don't get it. Like it'd be one thing if it was maybe allowing people to see things that Diana herself has seen, but there's no way that she could have possibly have seen this. So yeah, it's a weird perspective thing. This is almost the same problem that the show devs has that they like show. I know. Sorry, but they they show like backwards and forwards projections of like the past and the future. And it's like, from what perspective are we seeing any of this? So when it's like, this is the truth of what happened for the past warrior. And it's like, from whose perspective are we seeing this? What is happening here? I don't understand how this works at all. This this is the difference between truth and fact, right? To to observe a fact is not necessarily to observe the truth of a matter, right? Because there's multiple perspectives. Well, that's deep, man. Dude, remember this? Remember this guy? My favorite character. Oh, look at that posture. Look at him.  You better not break into that place. Yeah, you will.  You know what this reminds me of? Let me see if I can. I already know what you're going to post that it's it's suitable. I already know what it's going to be. There's no way that you know. I don't know. I don't know. Well, yeah, that's what I thought you were going to do. That's my captain America. That's what we call but it's really cool that they chose to reference this artwork in Wonder Woman 1984. Here he is. In the flesh. That makes it good. The idea here is that it's going to set up the eventual crossover series because Marvel characters are bleeding into the DC universe. This is cap. And he's a bodyguard. That's true. That's true. He's a body. He's got a lot of body to guard. That's for sure. So they're here. And honestly, I can't remember why. They're out. They are in place. They're off the max and Max is going to the White House. How did they find out Max was down there again? Just is it like public knowledge? Because it's a big deal. I don't know. I'm probably sure it was fine and we wouldn't have any comments whatsoever to make on how they found out why he was going to the White House. I'm sure. I'm sure it's fine. I suppose we can just find the only outfit by the way. They see it on TV. They see him driving down the road and the cars are parting for him. Oh, yeah. Because that's what he has the guy wish for, doesn't he? He's like, don't you wish that we could get there real fast? He's like, I do wish that. That is something I wish that it works. It's really awkwardly done, but whatever. Molly, so if you have any questions from now on, just assume the answer is magic. It'll help everything out a bit. I am okay with the idea that I have missed some things in this film that make it slightly better. That is very possible. I don't think it'll fix the movie though. And yeah, so we're at the scene where he, I guess he's desperate for just wishes to be granted and requested and granted. And so he's like, Mr. President, what do you want more than anything in the world if you could have anything you want? What is it that you want? Are you okay? I just know what's coming. And so, of course, the president wants more of everything and Nukes is one of the most significant elements. Pretty lame. Pretty lame. And also this is where it's more nukes. This is like one of the major conflicts arises is that the acquisition of more nukes pushes us close to another world war rather than the fact that someone could just be wishing for a world war, wishing for- Yeah, well, he could have just wished the USSR dissolved peacefully. Yeah, he could have wished for a world peace. He could have just said, I wish the USSR had no nukes. But he's like, no, I just wish we had more. More nukes. Imagine he was like a bit defeated and he just said, I wish it would stop.    Even though- No, more nukes. More nukes. No, I need more nukes. More nukes. Change anything about anything. I wish we had more nukes. He wants more nukes. Even if he said, I wish America was just unstoppable and that we owned the universe, it'd be more interesting than more nukes. Okay. Yeah, for sure. Are we having the third act yet? I can't tell. I don't know where the acts are in this film. It's hard to tell, yeah. I don't think we've hit, we haven't hit the act two low point for Wonder Woman yet. Oh, right. I don't know what the dialogue is, so it's hard to tell if we've passed the low point or we've yet to do it. I don't think so. I think the low point, hypothetically, is when she loses Steve. Yeah, no, I agree. The start of act three would probably be the sky bit. Let's just call it that. The sky bit.  It's a two and a half hour long movie, man. Maybe he's a banger, man. So yeah, more nukes and the payment he gets is, well, it's just so happens. So of course, Max wants a way to grant more wishes faster, right? And what can he do? And then he's like, hey, this room I'm in? You guys have got some stuff on some boards here. What is this?  It allows them to touch everyone in the world. That's where I was going with that. You know, you got to set it up first. You got to be like, oh, yeah, it's with particles. It's all this and that. And he's like, huh? And he's like, it allows us. It's like we get to touch the whole world. And he's like, touch. You said touch? Also, Max is really, Max is like, this tomato sauce coming out of his nose now. We're in trouble. The president doesn't say anything about it. He's just like, like it's totally normal. You don't have AIDS, do you? And of course, because this is how movies work, it's been a while since we've had an action scene. We should probably have one. Like, I mean, I'm not right. Why not? The thing that connection, the touching thing, just shows blatantly how thin the logic is. Like, that's not even, ah. I was like, what the? They just gave up. They're like, I don't know. They just don't want to know another level, but they're going with it. It's like, really? That's what you're going with? Okay. That face from the president's side, I feel like this, that would be you. And if I can, god damn it. I missed it. Give me a sec. It's when he rises from his seat, it's the absolute realization that this movie, nobody really wrote it. It just sort of happened. Yeah. This was the plot that just sort of happens in the wild, unguided by evolution, you know?  Like, you know what happened was, like during each day of production, Patty Jenkins just got like a new idea for a scene and they just ran with it. The eyebrows. Patty Jenkins had a terrible alcohol problem and she would just show up with her different ideas every day. Yeah. Why not, right? This was like, what you just said was retarded.  It's so funny.   And how Max is just like, so this device you have in the room that I was speaking to you in, this is useful to me. It's like, yeah, I guess it is. That's good. It's so funny. It's kind of like a burst blood vessel in his eye and everything. He's just looking so deranged at this point. I love it. Could someone have wished for this for him or could he set it up or something? Because outside of a wish, the convenience. We could have wished for someone to set it up for him. Sure. I wish that I could grant everyone on Earth's wishes. Would that work? That's the thing about wishes, man. It's like time travel. You got to lay down some rules. Yeah. I wish I could touch everyone in the world simultaneously. There you go. Boom. Me too. Check me too. Well, then you've got to do, they've got to be able to hear you as well, you know. So you can say, hey, wish for stuff. Do it. All right then. So yeah, it becomes clear that he must be stopped before he grants all of the wishes. And so, as he's moving away, suddenly Wonder Woman, and she's got him in the whip a less so of truth of tisms and it's what happens next. And first, Wonder Woman actually tells Steve, don't kill these guys because they're under his influence. Which is interesting, considering our interactions throughout all of Wonder Woman 1. Yeah, pretty. Suddenly there are innocent people. Yeah, here too. She didn't do it with a security detail on the road on the highway. True. Yeah, they were allowed to reside.  No, Steve, even though we don't have to fight them at all here, don't kill them. You know, do they have a feminist type school with her outfit? That is, I could see them. That depends which ones you talk to and what day of the week. Yep, it's empowering to half of them and it's sexually exploitative to the other half.  I think most feminists don't have a problem. People like Arnita Strykisian will find a problem in anything and like boo boo. Oh, yeah, they'll definitely, yeah, their job depends on it. Good. Now, to be fair, this is Washington, D.C. in July. So I think it's pretty good. Oh, it's hot. Yeah, D.C. is hot in the summer. I can vouch for that. There's another element to consider with her costume. It's if, regardless of how it looks, it could look exactly the same. But if a girl made it, it's fine. But if a guy made it, then it's probably sexist. Yeah, that's a weird thing. It's not sexist when it's directed by a woman, but if it was directed by a man, they'd be like, the male gaze. I just come back from getting a croissant and I return to this. Say something gayer.  I feel like the concept of the male gaze. Dude, she's got the male gaze right now. That's what it is. I feel like the male gaze, I think. Sorry, go ahead. The pupils in Chris Pine's eyes. That's terrifying. I can't even, I don't even know what the fuck's going on in that mess. I think with some male gaze on my line. Do you think Kronenberg, when he got his ideas, was just playing VLC and pausing it every once in a while? Yeah, I wouldn't be surprised. He looks like some sort of, I don't know, ancient Greek mythology monster or something. Oh, have you ever seen like blending drinks, exercising and like taking your phone calls live? Have you ever seen that video? It's a guy on like public access television who's on a treadmill doing paintings and blending drinks while also taking phone calls. And there's like a green screen behind him and it's doing all this weird glitching.  It's pretty amazing. It reminds me a lot of VLC at its best.  Did that in the tray stop bullets then? Well, so there's a couple of things. First of all, they're showing them reloading their guns. Wow. I know. This shocked me. They reloaded in a movie. That's just crazy. Yeah. Secondly, she realizes once again that she can be injured by bullets, which was a thing in Wonder Woman 1. So I don't know why this is the result of her losing her powers. It's a weird thing, whatever. But he does, this is the thing. He lifts up the tray and I think in our recording, Rags was like, there's no way that tray is stopping those bullets. And it's like, they don't.  Yeah, that tray ain't stopping bullets. It does.  It pushes, it does like they pierce the tray. So I just wonder if the tray even did anything. I don't, I don't, I'm going to try and pause it to see where. Yeah. So, so that tray is what we call concealment, not cover. There you go. Yeah, it's like thin aluminum.  Might as well not pick it up. Might as well just run. Yeah. Don't waste time being shootable, grabbing that. But yeah, say no. Ooh, you know what? He should be shot then. If you, if you watch that in slow-mo, I'm pretty sure the last shot not, but the first two I think get him. Well, at least they should. Oh yeah, that tray is.  Yeah, that tray. They even, they even take the time to show that it's pierced through the tray. So, you know. As long as it's metal, bullets will bounce off it. Yeah, like cars, right? Yeah, just cars are definitely bulletproof. Yeah, movies. I just find it funny that they took the time to show that it's making holes. But the, the, maybe they're trying to argue that it just, it didn't. You know what? I can't really tell whatever. It's a magical tray, it's fine. Yeah, amazing. Also saying that Pedro Pascal wasn't putting it all in performance-wise, look at that reaction she just had to, I am tied up by better shooting. She's deflecting them. It's perfect.  That's what I faced would be. And be like, what's happening? Wonderful. So yeah, Steve grabs a sword in preparation to attack the men with guns and guns. I was getting excited for that part, but then they let me down, Mola. Well, it's funny because she's like, no, they're under his influence. Don't like, I don't even know that he was going to be successful, but. Yeah, he had a sword and they had guns, so he loses.  Sorry? What about all those people that she killed in Cairo? What about him? Well, they didn't confirm that she killed them. It's only implied strongly that there were many deaths. Yeah. Show me the body, South Bull, you can't. Yeah. She's a goddess. She's willing to spare those who are wrongly imprisoned by spells. Oh, here comes the boomerang, Tiara. And it doesn't like a cut of a painting and misses everyone. It just annoys everyone. Like what's going on? I guess that's enough to distract them. Dude, look what it did to that portrait, though.  Makes you wonder what exactly. Yeah, what is happening on that thing that where's the blade edge, if you will? Yeah, it's just another comic book thing. And then she just spins the whip real fast. And that acts as a, yeah, that's just how that works. I remember, I can't remember if I can brought it up before now. But this scene when she's just spinning to protect Steve as he battles someone, why isn't she moving toward them while spinning? Because, yeah, that's a good point. Like, she wants to get close to them so she can use her powers to punch them. But she doesn't. And I remember being way more invested in two men battling with one pistol in hand than I am again, the woman who magnetizes to bullets with her braces. Like, it's like, oh my god. What's the logic of the whip deflecting the bullets exactly? Like, she just spins it around in a circle and it just deflects all the bullets. I don't know, she can grab a bullet with a whip.   It's all over, guys. Logic is out the window. I mean, this is the point when on the first watch through where like, I think my brain just stopped working. I was just like, this whole sequence, I was just, there's so much happening. It's such a short span of time. I cannot keep up. The argument that she's bored when filming. Yeah, I guess I'll attack these guys who are trying to murder me with my magical whip. You know, whatever. I mean, I mean, the love of my life is one bullet away from being gone forever again. Oh my god. Right, he fires the gun. He's even as much as two meters away and he's disturbed by the, how loud it is over there.  Yeah, it's like he cares about the movie he's in. Chris Pine should be, like he's a trained soldier. He should be used to it. Like it's not comfortable, but he should be used to it, especially because he's in combat mode right now. That's Maxwell Ward, though. Oh, that's Max. Oh, okay.  You should clearly do this more often. Yeah.  Yeah, yeah. He's trying so hard when he does not need to be trying this hard for a movie like this. What is this luck right now? I'm pausing. That kicks you, does that? Where she like throws her head back, like it's a model shot. Oh, totally a super model shot. Yeah. And again, you come back to Chris Pine battling with one guy and there's a gun in play, way more invested in this because it's like an actual fight. Yeah, because he's not indestructible. Yep. And they actually have to use. Do you need to be special forces or ex-special forces to be Secret Service? Does that would say what? Are you suggesting that? I don't know. I just think so. I guess it's the soldier versus Secret Service, right? I don't think you need to have been like a Navy SEAL or anything like that to be Secret Service. But they're definitely looking for high caliber people. Sure. Yeah. I mean, it would make sense if they were hiring ex-Navy SEALs or. Oh, I'm sure they do, but I don't know if that's like a requirement. Yeah. I mean, you could probably just look it up online. It's probably a job posting that you interview and train for and then they background check you. And yeah, or maybe it's something that you can only get through recommendation. I'm not sure actually. Who knows? Apparently Wonder Woman's still strong enough to crush a gun as well, though. It's interesting. I also like. Yeah, even though. This whole bit, right? She's supposed to be super weak at this point. She manages to pop a bullet out through, I don't know what the terminology is. Rack, tell me, when you rack the slide, is that what I should be saying? Pretty much, yeah. So what she does is she, essentially what she does is she, there is, she replaces the round in a chamber with another round in the chamber. So if he pulls the trigger, a bullet's coming out.  It's very out of place in a film like this where they don't generally care about stuff. But yeah, it shows she knows how guns work. But just punch him. She disintegrates that gun.  Does this count as her shooting someone? Well, it's the the jar, right? So, but, but it's the pieces smash and one of them hits Max in the eye, I guess. I don't know.  So it's indirect, but accomplishes the same thing.  Yeah, it shatters into like it's, so metal isn't brittle like no, not typically ends and it works. That's one of metal's great properties is that when it's ideally like that, it bends. It doesn't just crack and shatter like it's glass.  She spits it out. So as much as VLC wishes to avoid it, it's coming. Like VLC is like, no, please.  We've won, right? We've got Max. Here she is. Done and done. And again, Pedro Pascal is acting.  And I know that people can claim overacting. We've kind of gone over this. I understand.  I'm trying to pause him on when he makes that face. Look at that face. He's just, that is a man who is afraid that his whole plan is coming to an end. Yeah.  And she blasts the two of them away because this, she just has to be in the story, I guess. Yeah. So I guess we'll, this is one of those, I think we get a bit of like, don't do evil, but I want to be attractive and sought after. I remember seeing that sexy Kristen wig now.  I don't know. It's kind of a weird point in the story, this whole sequence, but they're definitely going for the whole, ah, the hero and the villain have finally, you know, crossed paths. They've got the little hallway where they could see each other. Right, yeah. I think it's time. There you go. And then Steve just chases Max anyway. So we can get two boss battles at once. She's got eye shadow. That's how you know she's serious. She'll lame everything. Yeah, you get, Steve like, he handcuffs himself to Max, which will become relevant when they get separated and their wrists are fine because reasons. And this is probably would have been in the trailer at some point, but it's time for a maximum showdown between The Cheetah and The Wander Woman. Maximum showdown. We've been weighing the whole film for this. So meaningful.  Who do we kill? Well, I guess both of them. But yeah, this, so it's established, quote, unquote, the Wonder Woman is hoping to protect every human being in the world.  So Wonder Woman's got to like protect them as she attacks them. Right. I'm trying to think of what that's been done in before. Oh, you know what? Reminds me of Civil War. I was thinking of Spider-Man 2, Doc Octopus, where he has to save the people while he's fighting, like he throws the people out of the train. He has to work them out. No, like fighting the people and saving them. I get what you mean. But I would say it's a little closer to Civil War, where Bucky is doing things that would kill the German police and Cap has to keep preventing the deaths from happening. What about Dark Knight, where Batman's attacked by the cops towards the end? I was going to say that too, yeah. Right, yes. Some of the things that Wonder Woman does in this are just funny. Like do you catch, I'm trying to show them where Cheetah like goes to throw a guy down and then Wonder Woman like grabs him by the neck and sort of lays them down? Is this it? Again, the whole phone is so awkwardly edited. Like, oh, what the? Wonder Woman's so weird. She grabs people in the most unsafe ways. Yeah, that guy's down.  I tell you, man, if people are off screen with guns, they just disappear from reality. You don't have to worry about them. Yeah. I think Wonder Woman's down. As long as they don't cross the barrier that is the shot, don't worry. It's fine. And Cheetah got to have a moment where she ran real fast and they couldn't shoot her because she's like a Cheetah. Look at her run. It's great. I'm feeling bullets are a lot faster than that. Not when you're CGI. The fast running in this movie is so funny. Oh my goodness. It's so lame. Don't know it's moving. It's like slow running with his car. Pull VLC. So yeah, she throws a guy real hard at a door. Wonder Woman throws out her lasso, manages to pull it here in the way so that he's OK. Really strange ways of saving people. You know, that's the drama right now. Make sure she don't kill anyone. The handcuffs are attached. I don't know because Max is like, what? Why did you do that? This strangles him.  Yeah, I'm just trying to think of anything else that happens in this fight that's actually of some interest. Cheetah is just beating everybody up. I feel like oh, she can break guns with her hands too. And just a punch from Cheetah when she doesn't care if these people live or die, probably going to do some damage.   While also, unfortunately for Wonder Woman, she has a wish that's taken her powers. This is like the best day to be a Wonder Woman villain. Oh boy.  And it doesn't really work because I guess... Is it the power in the braces or is the power in Wonder Woman? I don't think what she used to kill Ares was the lightning. Well, so it was the lightning. A race of warrior women, right? So it must be the women. It was her plus her braces, plus the lightning, plus love. Like those are the four components that murdered Ares. It's like a weird Elder Scrolls potion. Like one of those like an exploit in Morrowind. Yeah, like you've combined a block of cheese with a cheese wedge to create a potion of swiftness or something like that. Look upon her in despair. She looks like some asset attack victim in London. Excuse me. It's ma'am.  I think that's the main main drama of this scene. Which uh... Oh and she does the Mando thing. The Wonder Woman cannot pull her. She can pull Wonder Woman. At least it makes more sense in this scene. Because Wonder Woman's all weak. I'm not sure how whips work exactly, but I don't think that that was even possible. It's fine. Probably not like this. And yeah, Wonder Woman's kind of fucked. I don't know how this would possibly work, but you got Max and Chris Pine. That's just this film. Yeah. They are connected via handcuffs and Cheetah pushes them both apart to the point where it separates. Would that not wreck one of their wrists or both? I think so. It depends how instant it would be as well maybe. Because something's got to give, and I don't know that it would be the metal immediately rather than digging into their skin quite significantly first. Yeah, that would have. Unless it's there. Unless it was weak for some reason. Alrighty. Also, uh... John, are you looking for an exit, sir? Yeah, I got a head out. Can't take this movie anymore. I wish I could. I really want to finish the movie, but I can't. I got the opening over. Yes, I know. I'm the... How do you honk women? Well, it has been fun. Thank you very much. Yes, thank you so much for having me on as always. Yeah. Take it easy, good sir. Yeah. Happy New Year, everybody. Really appreciate it. Yeah, man. Catch you around. Thanks for coming. Anytime, man. Peace out. Boy. Bye-bye. Bye-bye, baby. All right. Well, I would say it looks like it's just five left, but that would be a lie.  And I'm delayed enough. And you're right. But that'll be done. You're right. You can also use discord app.com, like go on an internet browser. What am I a nude user? And how? Phone is way cooler. So yeah, I guess Max and Cheetah team up after this scene is done. And Wonder Woman is sad. Wonder Woman is sad. Oh. Oh, god. My audio. It's wrong. Hello, chat. Hello, everyone. Hello. Hey. Hello. Howdy. Howdy. Did you even watch Wonder Woman? No.    Yeah. Yeah, that can't be possible. Pretty neat. Gal Gadot, she's beautiful and it's an immaculate movie and there's nothing wrong with it.  This, by the way, is what everyone's using for their thumbnails for why Wonder Woman is bad. This shot of her being like sad, down to the dumps, bleeding. It's like this was representative of the film.  Yeah, shot of her getting a film looking like a predator because I think that would be more representative. So have you, now, Chase, have you been unaware, like, have you not been watching the stream all night? I popped in here and there and I was like, oh, yeah, superhero movie.  I'm not going to watch that. Well, you'll see it's giving some funny glitching tisms. The wind is home away from roughing. I'm seeing that. Ain't no homo erotics in Wonder Woman movies. She's a hot, sexy lady. Yeah. There ain't no girly girls here. Look at it. Oh, this was the thing. Okay, so like I should be clicking on. Oh, no, no, no, no. You have to get the stream up for this one because you can't put movies and watch together. So Wonder Woman wants to explain to our our antagonist quote unquote that we've got we've got issues here and you're being a naughty. All right. It's going to give her some advice. So Kristen Wiig is like, no, you. And then here it goes. Gal Gadot's Oscar winning performance as she shakes her head while she delivers all of her lines. Let's count. So it was already one as we came in here. Two, three, four, five, six, seven. All right, we'll cut away from here. Eight, nine, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14. They're subtle sometimes, but they're there. More another one. They're there. The subtlety of her acting is just what gives her acting. So much of its charm. You might not even notice she's acting. It's so. Yeah, you might not even notice for acting. Yeah, that's how subtle it is. This is because they told her in this scene you will be telling Kristen Wiig she is wrong about something. OK, so shake your head and disagree but with her current modus operandi. And she'll be like, very well. I shall shake my head entirely out of a loop on this. Is that it? It doesn't change anything. It is. She's on the floor. She is beaten by the villain. It almost looks like they got a like like Rosie O'Donnell in the Tarzan animated series where they got kind of like a sound alike. It looks like they got a lookalike in this scene almost. Like I can't even tell it's her. That's the point, man. She's at a low point. She's been beaten. Yeah. Shake that head out. Shake it. Shake it. The animated character in Tarzan was the lookalike for Rosie O'Donnell. No, no, the sound alike, I said. So I like your ears. Because I thought you were saying something. Woo! Also, Kristen Wiig is a far better actress than Gal Gadot there, I said it. I don't know if that's controversial, but I said it. I believe it. You could mistake this for the classic thousand-yard stair representation, or it could just be Gal Gadot wondering what am I even supposed to deliver here? I don't know. She's waiting. She's still making these movies. Her lines to be given to her from someone offscreen. She didn't rehearse this. They just give her her lines for each cut, and she memorizes them in the moment. They said, just do your model face. And she's like, that's all I know how to do. I wish she had kept shaking her head. I just can't tell what's happening in the scene if she's not doing that. So yeah, she's real sad. And I think the next sort of portion of this is the realization she's going to have to give up Steve. And I know that people were very unhappy that it was Steve that told her to do that and not her realizing that she would do it herself.  This group is assassinating her character in terms of her morality. She's now selfish, willing to murder, and a rapist, okay? Oh, and they did not like this. They did not like that she is limping and bloodied.  I remember seeing tweets about this. Like, this is unacceptable. Yeah, yeah, yeah. This is what I meant by the film didn't please anybody. It's like, we don't want to see a scene where she's like struggling to do anything. And the guy is like, hey, not only will I help you move, but you've also got to give me up for what's right, okay? You need to do that. It's like, oh. They should be thrilled with having to get rid of the white male. Well, you know, you still got another few of them in the film. Getting rid of one's not enough, right? Kill them all. Maybe through like a tornado. Get them out. Get them out. That's funny. Directly. Gal, just say hi. That's all you have to say. Hi. You can't mess this up. Gal Gadot. I don't even know, like, how would she deliver? It's like, allow. Hi. Hi. Hi.  She's pretty bad. It's more of an observation than a joke. Yeah, no. I was about to say it. It's not. Yeah. Like, is that a joke? We're like, it's really not a joke. It's so not a joke. It's terrible. I really wish you could. I wish it wasn't real life. But jokes are funny. And this is just that reaction image of the guy taking off the headphones. So then we find out that people discover that America has all of the, oh, it's the line. Rags, do you remember the line where the guy in the office comes in and he says it's because of our new nukes? Our new, oh yes, because we have more nukes than we used to that the worst nuclear war is going to start because that's what happens when one side gets more nukes than the other side that also has nukes is now we're now war. But yeah, I was mostly just to highlight the fact that he describes it as new nukes. New nukes. We got new nukes. New nukes. Do they teach you how to get to that will or is it just that they were there pointed at Russia? Oh, you can't point new, they're in silos. Well, yeah, maybe you can use the laser sight on the nuke.  What is this? Why is it so? No, it's VLC player. It struggles sometimes.  If you let it play, it's fine. But you know what? That's the miracle that is VLC right now. It's getting it's enhancing the experience. Yeah. Yeah, it's alternative vision. All right. Well, what you wait? Well, South four, you just posted. We will bring it up right in line. I think we're about to get the scene, right? We're very close. Okay. Yeah, she deleted that tweet, but you've got the screen cut right there. So yeah, so we're in trouble. The end of the world is coming. So we got it. We got a ticking clock, if you will. We've got to get all the wishes renounced. All right. That's the goal, everyone. That's the plot line right now. It's terrifying. This is definitely the third act we are. We are in it. The world is falling to chaos. Look at this. Dogs and cats living together everywhere all over. Mass hysteria. Forest is eating each other. It's terrible. And so will Wonder Woman be able to save the day? Well, she can't until she gives up her man. And that's what that's pretty much the scene we're about to get.    But that's fine. That's fine.  It was my friend. So there's another really big issue in regards to the wish mechanic that is kind of showing here. Is that when someone renounces their wish, it doesn't actually undo what transpired in the meat in the middle. Otherwise, she would have lost the memory of her experience with Steve, everything like that. She has just disappeared. Everything that transpired then is still in place. And this is shown in a few other points in the film as well. So that means when, you know, they renounce the wish and Max renounces his wish, the world should still be royally screwed to an epic point. Oh, yeah, absolutely. Yeah. There ain't no coming back from this one. I'm trying to find out. Sure. Okay. Whatever you say. There's also that like everything spirals out so incredibly quickly. It has like South Park vibes. You know? Yes. Agreed.  Well, to be honest with you, right, if zero is completely normal and 10 is the destruction of the entire universe, this film seems to crank straight to like a six or seven, but it never goes higher than that. It's like, hmm, I feel like when it should go from zero to actually 10. Yeah.  Yeah. They've not considered trolls. There's one guy on 4chan who's like, I wish for everyone to be combust right now. And then I wish everyone was chickens. Yep. There's going to be these people in our chat that would do that in a heartbeat. Oh, yeah. And watch the world click. And even series people who are just like, yeah, I just want everything to be over. I want everyone to die. I wish the earth just stopped existing. I wish we got hit by a meteor. But this film's like, no, things get like bad and weird and almost nuclear annihilation occurs, but nothing like, you know, insane. Yeah. And she is thoroughly in love with Steve. The scene is heartbreaking, is what humans call it, I believe. And what she's really saying is like, no, I want you to possess this person's body forever. Let's die. There must have been, let's pretend for a second, because I think it's valid, that Patty had no idea that's what she had written, and she does consider this to be a really well-constructed moment that she worked really hard on, and then someone highlights that. Then it forever destroys her work in her own mind. She's like, oh man, that is bad actually. I can't watch this scene anymore. It's like, oof. I made this. Oh my God. That would be cool to get like a director to be like, I can't even look at my own work because it's so, but like cool in the sense of admitting it. There's probably examples. I think the guy who made Terminator Dark Fate eventually said that was bad. I think Joel Schumacher apologized for Batman and Robin. Of course he shouldn't have. Yes, you're nothing to apologize for. Apparently there's like- It's not quite an apology, but David Fincher has like, renounced Alien 3 and stuff like that. Apparently Joel Schumacher has like, a commentary of Batman and Robin where he's just basically apologizing for the movie the entire runtime. But G