t's not coming to mind right now. The suite of reasons they gave. It had to do with stormwater as I- Yeah, yeah, there was one of the pieces of stormwater that rendered it infeasible to put a treatment practice in the space that they were planning at the time. I believe that one was related to wetlands. It was the wetland area, right, that it was being looked at. So if we can't build stormwater to make more impervious surfaces, I think that's a- Where there's a will, there's a way, Megan. Ah, no, no, no, no, no, no. Not in this day and age. Not with our regs. We have 100 feet. We have a hundred, on some things, but our regs are in place, Andrew. I stand by them. So I just, I think that's a really important fact for people to hear. Okay, and I'm happy to revisit. Okay, so it sounds like we have two outstanding issues that are important to at least some of the counselors. One is the conservation package, if you will, and the other is as finite as one can get a cost estimate to extend this to South Point. So we don't have a road to nowhere. Or a paved road to nowhere. I don't know if that's possible to, that's a lot of work, I think. I don't know. I mean, maybe it could come together and I believe those conversations have begun or are about to begin. Is that right, Jen? I mean, you've talked about it a little bit or you're considering what, and so that certainly would be part of it. But even without that, you still get to South Point, right? No, you don't, you have to go through. You can get to South Point, but not South Village. Yeah, you can get to South Point. Okay, so you don't get to South Village. Right, so that's another step in the process. And I'm not sure. I mean, I feel like if we keep adding on, we're gonna have an internal bike path that goes from the edge of Shelburne all the way up to, you know, Root Williston Road. Which is great. Which would be great, but to make all of these pieces contingent on getting that all done is probably more than our city manager wants to chew on. Well, she will be here a long time, but, you know, she's going to do her job not too hard to be, I'm ready to vote. Pyraman issue, you know, like, oh good, this bike path's up built. So I think those are two issues that need to be resolved. So is everyone ready for, we haven't really nailed how many, what's a small parking area, but that was my point of clarification. Well, is that what we were talking about? We said 15, I thought. 15? I had written down 10 to 15 based on what I heard. With some paved for handicapped, if that makes sense engineering wise, and the rest gravel. Yeah, one thing with the gravel lot that I will just note out note here is that gravel is also impervious. It's still, we'll count towards stormwater and it is that same depth. Like I had shown on that slide. So it is still deemed impervious. But it's not asphalt. It's not asphalt. It would likely still require pavement apron to get into it so that we're not tracking gravel in and out. I'm sure most of us have seen driveways where that's the case where gravel gets tracked in and out. So at least a paved apron, but those things would likely be worked out as design goes. It's tricky to have half paved, half gravel, but the number of spaces that we should be exploring is I would say the more important piece from a design standpoint right now. So what's the thing you like? How many? But something that could be expanded. 10 to 15 and let us look at the design. Yes. Is that a 10 to 15 with space to expand? Michael, you have another number? This is the last comment. I'd like to, we have a, we still have a bunch of them. Yes, I've measured it out. That parking lot will accommodate 18 cars. What parking lot will? The current parking lot. Yeah, I agree. The size that it is now will accommodate 18 cars. It's pretty big. Well, let's not make it bigger than that. That's how big it is. Okay. For the record though, I'd like to comment on some people's opinion of the conservation fund. And they called it something else, but just for the record because. Michael, can we need that right now? It's involves this conservation easement idea. Well, we're going to work on that. It's only a moment. We have time to talk about it. May I? Normally we have a comment. Shallow voters establish a reserve fund to be known as a conservation fund for the purpose of funding the purchase of lands and rights in lands to preserve open land and natural areas in the city. Doesn't say anything about recreation or anything else. For the record, that's the ballot, which was voted on. And one last thing you probably didn't mention, which I think you talked about, is vegetative screening around the parking area to shield adjacent properties from headlights. So it would be good for us to hear the motion in its entirety. That's a friendly amendment. Okay. So the amendment includes a mode path, a paved path, benches. No viewing area. No viewing area. No public art. A small parking area that may or may not be paid. I guess it's going to be paced now with a fence around it and some vegetation in the no greater than 18 slots with a significant number for, I'm going to add this for handicapped. I mean, not just one. Let's, you know, we really want to make it accessible. Low lights. Not twice, Tim. And we're going to look in the future to look at the conservation issues as well as the easement and conversations with South Point to extend the path to whatever street it is that it bumps into. Is that? The punch-ins or the punch-ins for the wetlands? Yeah, and if we're going to build those, I'd love to have the Vermont Conservation Youth Corps be thinking about building those and not add to the cost of this, right? Because the lighting's going to be more expensive than the numbers we're looking at. Can I just make one small change to what you said? Maybe, yeah. You said in the future, look at the conservation easement. Can we change that to in parallel? Fine, in parallel is fine. That's what I meant. We'll be looking at the conservation as well as the easement with South Point. But neither of those things necessarily have to be resolved before the path and the parking and the fence and the little little lighting and the punch-ins. The punch-ins. Related to the punch-ins since they're not in the immediate path area and that is expanding the scope. That is an area where we have very little existing information, so it would be a pretty large. Yeah, I didn't see that in the plan. It has not been part of this plan and would require a lot more on-site investigation and survey, so it would be a pretty large scope increase. That's resources and bike and ped to look into that, I suppose, in parks and parks. So that's not part of our direction to you, I guess, that's more another. Put that in the explore category. Let's explore, that's to make it more, I mean, we had the paths in Wheeler Park before we had the punch-ins, is that correct? Yeah. So they evolved over time and it made it more usable. I'll put it on my explore list to explore. Okay. Just put it in the easement that we can do it. Well, right, it would have to be. I need to use the restroom. Oh, okay, so you're calling the question. All right, are you ready for the vote? Yes. All in favor of this, please signify by saying aye. Aye. Aye, that's unanimous. Thank you. Thank you, Ty. And they're right, I think. So we're moving on to item nine, the planning commission shared to brief the council on the comprehensive plan. Jessica Luisos and along with her is our director of planning, Paul Conner. So take it away. Yeah, so I'm Jessica and we have one trustee planning commission member joining us in the audience as well, Michael's in attendance. We have been working for a pretty long time. I'll show you the timeline on an update to the comprehensive plan. So many of you would recognize the words comprehensive plan. We have one in place from 2016. This is officially in state statute referred to as a municipal plan. And I feel that we felt like members of the public sometimes had a hard time understanding what the words comprehensive plan meant. So for our outreach efforts that we've been going through we've been using the term city plan 2024 and we have this logo, you see it up on the screen. So just as a clarification, at least at this point we're calling it the city plan. If we get a lot of pushback and people really feel like it should still be called comprehensive, I think that's still an option too. So the municipal plan is an overarching kind of policy plan for the city. It is not as specific as the zoning regulations or some of the other policies and ordinances we have in place as well. This is really looking at a long-term vision and then within it it also lists some specific goals and actions to get towards that vision. So it does get readopted every eight years in order to stay current and active. And although it's readopted every or redone every eight years it does have a much longer timeframe. We think of this as like decades long vision for our future. And as the planning commission we do often work in land use planning and this document does do some of that but it also includes some other topics some of which are mandated by the legislature that we need to include and a few of those are listed up there. And we also consider some statewide goals. So you'll see in here there are some specific updates based on statutes that have been adopted in the last eight years. So it's really important and when you see the timeline I want you to keep this in mind that without the city plan in place we don't have as much power to push back on things or do grant applications. There are some like actual real reasons why we wanna make sure we always have one in place. So as a foundation we have this beginning statement that we have up here and I can give you a second to read it. This was also in your packet. So we are proposing to open up with this statement that is very specific to climate change. And as we have updated the plan from the 2016 version we have incorporated components from the climate action plan that you've adopted within our comprehensive plan and wanna make the strong statement right up front that it's very important. So moving into the next section we had previously had four what we called vision and goals and we are proposing to kind of change that to be our guiding principles. And I'm gonna leave this slide up for a little bit. You also have this text in your packet. This is kind of an important piece of the plan will be kind of right up front as a summary page and if you remember from the current plan we have four vision and goals right now with various bullet points listed underneath each of those. So on the screen you can see there are still four and they are similar to the previous bit of an updated and instead of having bullets we have some kind of descriptive sentences. We felt like the bullets that we have right now may feel to some people that they're supposed to be inclusive and there's just so many topics that would fall under these guiding principles. We felt like kind of a more descriptive approach is important. One of the other things that you'll notice is that right up front we say the overriding guiding principle of this plan is to make every policy decision through the lens of climate resilience and reduction in greenhouse gas emissions. And then we have our first guiding principle of climate action listed above as an overarching kind of lens in which we would see all of the other pieces of the plan. You can see then it says that South Burlington also holds high the following guiding principles and every action we take is a community and we have our other three guiding principles listed there. The inclusive, fair and just, thoughtful and sustainable built environment and collaborative and engaged. And you as the city council have used the four vision and goals from the current plan quite a bit in your policymaking and kind of justification of some of your actions. So, you know, this is kind of that upfront summary. Then moving further into the plan, we are, as I said, building on the 2016 plan, we have tried to add more measurable goals where we can and kind of streamline the whole thing so that it's shorter, not as redundant. Some of that has come with reorganization of sections where we felt like we could combine things into more succinct topic areas. And we also have other plans that the city has adopted that are kind of underneath this one. So for example, the parks master plan or the climate action plan that you have adopted also our kind of standalone plans that are really amazing documents that we would refer to in this one. I was just gonna jump in to say that as a result this draft plan is quite a bit shorter in numbers of pages from the last one and a big chunk of that is descriptive elements. So a parks master plan will have a much more robust discussion of describing each park whereas here that section was shrunk down a lot so that the city plan, the comprehensive plan can really focus on getting right to the key issues and not be as much of a descriptive discussion of everything. Which is nice, it's less to read or get lost in if you're looking for something specific. So at this point we have had a lot of public input, committee review, staff review from different departments and have been kind of working through this timeline that's up on the screen, you know starting back in March of 2022 and as part of that process we've had a lot of input that covers a lot of the first boxes and for your, I just wanna very specifically point out some of the end pieces here because this is where I think you as a group are gonna have to really step in with some actions of your own as well. So at this point we do have a full working draft, it was, it's date of July 6th and we are working on some kind of more informal public outreach and collecting information and doing listening sessions and soliciting comments from the public through mid-August or I guess we have August 2nd, August 2nd where we're asking for any final public comment on this particular round, then we are gonna do some additional edits so that in kind of the end of August we would have our kind of official public hearing process where we would warn the public hearing with that draft and then make some edits as needed with that public comment and then starting in October, it will come to you for your public hearing process with the target to be adopted by the beginning of February. So that is our process we're in now. Then a little bit more about the plan itself. There are a lot of different topic areas, one of which is the land use piece itself. We have tried to kind of focus this discussion with a stronger vision and more descriptive clear descriptions of each of the different types of land use. One of the things that I wanted to point out specifically here is that we have actually broken the commercial industrial land use into two categories. We've been hearing over the last many years that there is a place for commercial and industrial with some supporting residential included as well and that wasn't a category that we had previously included and felt like if it's something we wanna pursue as a city we wanna kind of have that specifically in the plan. We're also being more clear about in the residential areas that there are appropriate types of commercial that make sense. So an example with that would be with South Village. We had made some changes to have some small scale commercial allowed in that type of setting. And although our current comprehensive plan does allow for that, we just wanna make sure it's more clearly articulated as part of these descriptions. Then I think the next piece is looking at some mapping. There are a variety of maps included in the current plan and our proposed plan. This is one I thought would be good to just do a side by side comparison of. We have our future land use map from 2016 on the left. And we sometimes call that the fuzzy map because you can see there are fuzzy boundaries between each of those future land use types. And then on the right we have the draft 2024. So some of the things that I just wanna point out the kind of purplish color is that new category of commercial with supporting housing. So we've designated some areas where the conversation has come up that it might make sense. Other things that to specifically point out the green area, the principally conservation area has been expanded based on a lot of the work that was done in the last many years for updates to articles 10 and 12. So you'll see that on there. Along Williston Road, you can now see there's a little bit of like an orange or kind of strip along Williston Road. We've heard that it might make sense to have a little bit of higher scale uses right along the road itself while still maintaining kind of the residential feel of the adjacent neighborhoods and felt like if that's something we might wanna make changes to our zoning there in the future we wanna make sure that that's a discussion for the public as part of this process. We have, let's see, there's some other areas. So the Champlain Water District kind of near Red Rocks, you have the green and then there's a red blotch there right under the word Burlington. And that's actually where Champlain Water District intakes are located. We felt like it was not, it was kind of, it doesn't make sense to have a yellow knowing that it's kind of a more commercial or industrial type of use. So we have changed the color there to be more reflective of what we're seeing on the ground. And then in the Southeast quadrant there's a few spots that had showed up as kind of a red node of development. And with all the work that we have done in the conservation PUDs and kind of refining land uses in that area it didn't make sense to use the color red and have it be visually the same as city center which is a more intense planning district. So we felt like the color scheme there just needed to be more reflective of what we were expecting in that area. And then one of the things that's a little bit hard to show on the map is the conservation and other PUDs envisioned for parts of the Southeast quadrant. So because they're kind of parcel by parcel and you would have development in one area and conservation on the other parts of the parcel it didn't necessarily make sense for us to kind of show blobs. So you will see kind of the yellow and the green but then we need to use our imagination a little bit to think about what that actually looks like on the land in the PUD concept. So I think those are some of the big things on this map. And then we can move to the next slide please. This is just a little bit of an overview of the plan. So on the right you see kind of the organization of each of the sections to do an overview start right up front with the goals and actions and then get into the inventory and text and resources really referring to other studies that have been done and then a list on the right of the plan section. So kind of how we organize information into each of those. And I think that could be. So I did include additional slides in your slide deck with a little more information about each of those plan sections but I feel like that's something that you can read on your own and if you have questions you can let us know. But didn't think we needed to go through all of those in person. So that was what we had prepared so. Yeah. Yeah, Megan, any questions or comments? I think you were here for part of the discussion about the Hubbard Park Path. And there we were clearly talking about climate change but also equity issues. Did you see that discussion as reflective of what kind of your hierarchy that seems like a soft hierarchy but I just want to know how hard it is between the climate change being the top and then the equity and the thoughtful and sustainable build and the cooperative. How do you see those pieces? I mean, I think that your discussion kind of showed that. Like let's make sure that we're not favoring one population over another but we also have these big goals that we're trying to meet as a city and we've set climate action goals and this is one way we can achieve that. And I think that it's a really good example of. Okay, I just, and I think that that's, you know, I've always been convinced that if we put equity alongside climate action because serving the least served populations, those that live near highways, those that live in polluted areas, those that, you know, have to rely on cars because they don't have access to basic services that if we focus on that equity piece with the climate action, it does bolster the climate action because we're lifting up everybody to where we need to be. So I just, I want that to really be closely wedded. Like in my mind, without that equity piece, you're going to fail on climate action. We're going to have complete disparity and I just really wanted to say that. Well, I think the Hubbard Park was a pretty cool example of that. And in my mind, almost an easy example versus some other things that when you put equity with climate action, it might be more challenging to make those decisions. So that's when you make me pause, when you make me pause because I think that when you talk about a meadow, right, obviously the best thing for that meadow is to do nothing. Let's just be really clear about it. Michael Miteg was right. Rosanna's right. Kayla's right, right. The best thing for that meadow is to do nothing, right?  And so you can imagine how early you have to get there and people park all over the place. And so she said, you know, we're still working on the people and the park, the people and the park. And we want to bring people to the park because if people don't come to the park, they're not going to become sensitive to why we need to preserve natural spaces, right? So we have to have the two together. We have to bring people to our parks. I'm not saying the most sensitive natural areas where we have, you know, walking trails that are cutting through breeding grounds, but we have to give people access to our natural areas so that they can say, this is why I'm spending this much money in taxes to preserve biodiversity and to preserve the tree canopy and to preserve, you know, all these things that we know are going to be critical to the survival of our species, yeah. I'm just saying that I think that was an example that made it very clear and to my mind an easier answer than when we get into housing. And if no one's building affordable housing, we're kind of up the creek, right? So it's harder when it's the public or private groups that you need to sort of string along. I mean, we own the land so the city can say, yeah, equity is important and this is how we achieve it and this is how it responds well to climate change. Housing, I just think is an example that's a little more challenging. So I don't disagree with you how important it is. I just think our conversation and even the, I guess the options we have as a community are perhaps more limited. Well, on the property or if you have control of it, I think it's easier to make policy that supports climate action as well as equity. If you have to work with someone, they not share those goals and they own it, it's a harder conversation. Right.  So I'll just bring it back to Wilson Road because just to finish my thought, we need community gardens and we need to have open space even in those high dense areas and use the term in your map here, let me find it. High, low. High, the higher scale, primarily residential higher scale and then the balanced high scale mixed use. We need to include green space in there because of heat islands, because of people who do not necessarily have the means to have air conditioning or whatever additional expense will go into remaining cool during the hottest months that they have the city's structural infrastructure, I guess infrastructure is a better word, including our natural infrastructure, working for the betterment of their life and their living conditions. So not just to have concrete in that area because we really need to save biodiversity in another area. I know you've heard this before. I know I'm kind of also preaching to someone who's been very thoughtful about this, Jessica as well as Paul, but I just want you to hear it again and I'll keep repeating it. And I receive emails about it all the time and I let them know I say it every opportunity I get. So we have some really specific goals as well. I gave you the overview slide and even on the overview slide, we have the thoughtful and sustainable built environment with the idea that things are welcoming. There's pedestrian orient and you're building parks and then also the equity piece. So I think a lot of what I'm hearing you say is in here and I guess one thing to point out is just because we have four guiding principles and they're all great, it does not make your job easier because there are a lot of things that are important. And I think when you come to an individual decision, you're gonna have to weigh those decisions with all of these things in mind. And now that the presentation's off and I can see the people in attendance, I just wanted to acknowledge that Laurie Smith and Paul Engels are also planning commissioners and I'd only mentioned Michael because I saw him but they're also attending virtually. So are there comments or questions? Just a quick one that I really appreciate the separation of the commercial industrial and commercial industrial and housing because I think that there's a lot of potential there without getting into the whole equation of the schools and stuff, but there is land in those areas that is ripe for some form of housing that's fairly dense, right? And is compatible I think with those industrial or commercial uses. I think that's a forward-looking stance to take and I appreciate it. I just have a question, maybe a minor thing about the future land use map. The area along the water, I guess the fowl, the entire thing is fowl, I thought some of that is wetlands that's showing yellow there. I guess I would have thought more of that would be green or that we would hope our vision would be to, for that waterfront piece to plan for that to be more green and not to be developed, similar to, I mean, Chamberlain's yellow. In my mind, you wouldn't be building like a Chamberlain neighborhood on that waterfront, at least that wouldn't be the vision. Do you want us to pull the map back up? I believe there's a pretty big strip right along the water itself. I think Quincey Park and yellow, myself, but. That Quincey, no, no. Isn't. Well, not rocks, but then you might be also looking with the old Farrell property. Yeah, that's what I'm looking at. That's a big. I see green there, myself, but. I think as a practical matter, you're correct, there are a number of wetlands in that area. They're sort of, sort of, swatched in various places. And so the future land use map tries to take a broad brush approach to it, but it doesn't necessarily capture each wetland. And so what's captured on this map, which is a change from 2016, where you can see it on the left, is the identified forested habitat block connecting to what is on the official map of a planned park area. So those are the two that are shown in there. And you have to really squint your eyes, but it also shows that there's a stream that cuts through just north of Bartlett Bay Road there. I think that the commission wrestled with to what extent the map should be fuzzy and not to sort of show that these things are not absolute firm statements because of whether the city chooses to adjust policy in the future or on the ground conditions. The commission decided on one that is fuzzy, but slightly less fuzzy than the 2016. And there's. Yeah, I'm not talking about the fuzzy, I'm talking about the, I mean, just to point out where I'm looking. It's like, this, right? I think this is like all wetlands here, and I know some other wetlands down here. It looked funny to me to color that yellow. Yeah, so I guess one thing that isn't captured on here is every single one of the natural resources. So like what would be used in the actual development of a property would be the land development regulations, which do regulate wetlands. So like once you look at the site level, I think you're right. Like there's wetlands kind of around in there that would not be developed when it came down to a site plan. But it's hard to kind of blotch those little blotches around. Yeah, I mean, it's kind of two thoughts. One, I think there's a lot of wetlands in there too. It just seems like a really, I honestly, I would love for the city's vision to be to conserve that. I mean, it's a really important parcel. It's pretty undeveloped now. It's waterfront. If this is like what we intend the future to be, I would intend the future to be green there for all those reasons, not yellow, so. And I mean, we can take direction from the council on things like that. What is there currently? Is that the Farrell property? Claritin? Well, some of it is anyway. Some of it is, where he had pointed is. And you can see that we do have quite a bit more green on the proposed version than we had in the past, so. Right. And then another little. Right, and then the line where it becomes red is essentially the railway. And to the east of that becomes, it's physically disconnected. So that's why the line is fairly sharp there on the street. And that's Holmes Road past the railroad tracks that circles around. Correct. Bartlett Bay to the north and then Holmes just below that second sort of right. Holmes is right. Oh, this mouse is tricky to do that. Holmes is right here. And Bartlett Bay is right there. Nope. Holmes is right there. I've only been here for 15 years, folks. We got it. Keeping you on your toes. Holmes to the north. Bartlett Bay to the south. And then they almost touch. Yeah, they're separated by a yard. And a stream. I think the issue that I have with that, Andrew, is I don't know that it's an issue, but I guess I go back up to, I'm less concerned about the specific plots of land. And I go back up to, and maybe it's semantics and I apologize if that's the case, but so yeah, it can't be everything. We have to stack rank in terms of what's your top priority? Right? In our top priority, we've established the overriding guiding principles by making every policy decision through the lens of climate resilience and reduction in greenhouse gas emissions. And I guess what I struggle with and I'd love some clarification or just some discussion around it is I agree, but I also strongly believe that over 50% of our residents can't afford to buy a house here. They rent. I wanna make sure that this lens that we're looking at things through doesn't disproportionately burden folks who are already living paycheck to paycheck. And because I've, for many of my most recent tenure here, I've been one of those people and we've heard a lot of input, particularly around the conversations around ARPA funds, but there are a lot of those folks in this area. And we've made, so I guess two questions. One, how does the plan and how do these guiding principles reconcile those two and do they do they do so strongly enough? And I guess that's a question for all of us for the council, I'd love the input. And two, along those lines, if we're talking about housing affordability, we've discussed that the major corridors where we are going to promote and allow additional development to be Shelburne Road and Williston Road. And I don't necessarily agree with that, but that's what we've discussed. And if we're looking for more areas there, it just, it feels like at some point, something's going to give and we are going to become an exclusive community that is going to drive people out. And that's not what historically we've been. We've been a community that's been inclusive. We've been a community that's provided great schools. And I want to make sure that we're, as we tackle the challenge of climate change, that we don't lose that character and that identity. I think it's really important. We're not Shelburne, we're a city. And I want to make sure that we're, yes, a responsible city, but I want to make sure that we don't lose sight of that. And I'm concerned the language is proposed is perhaps doesn't reconcile those two enough. I think the other thing you have to sort of factor in is what, oops, sorry, is what the city can control.  That's like New York City. And so it's never gonna be affordable if that's the going rate that is charged when somebody builds a home. Whether it's a duplex or whatever. And so, I mean, I appreciate that you want to have affordable housing all over the city, but nobody's building it. And it's not, I don't think, just because of our LDRs. I think there's other stuff at work. Maybe simply greed. I don't know. But perhaps, I guess the counterpoint to that argument, Helen, is one could say the exact same thing about climate change. We're limited in our capacity to fight climate change as a city alone, but yet that is our top priority and that's our guiding principle. And just as we've made a decision that we are not going to rest on our laurels and throw our hands up in the air and say, well, there's only so much we can do with climate change. I would like to see us take that same tack for making sure that we remain accessible and that we would try our damnedest to retain our character and remain accessible as a community. I don't disagree. I'm just looking at the reality of what we as a community, municipal policy makers can actually do. And usually I'm not very pessimistic. I'm a pretty optimistic kind of person. But I look at what's happening with development and it's not just South Burlington. It's all over the country. Stuff is just so expensive and people are paying it. And the people that you're talking about for that diversity are stuck with different kind of housing if there is any. If I could jump in here. Sure. Jessica wants to say something too. I just wanted to say that I really liked this purple which is new. It's something I've seen as a potential for many years. I've even talked to the React people about it and they expressed interest in it when I talked to them about it years ago. And so I'm just really glad to see that moving forward and having served on the IC, the Interim Zoning Open Space Committee. I know that the space close to our lakefront is really rich in wildlife and the feral property is because it's just a house homestead with open land that they are. It is a wildlife corridor and we need the wildlife to have a place to live. We can't, if we get rid of our bears and our foxes and everything else and here there are a lot of cats and I can't remember what kind of cats they are. But that is really important wildlife territory there. And the feral property has kept that. So that is respecting what Andrew is talking about is respecting the current use of the property just by passive, not building on it. And I do think that when we look at the high, what did you say, the higher scale, high scale mixed use, higher scales, the orange, if we really include places for people to go sit under a tree, so you have their children play where they can watch them play, we need to include that. There will be a market for that. And I think because it's on our high transit areas it makes sense that's where people can catch a bus. Some people choose to live in high-rises. My parents downsized. Some day, I won't be able to do a care of my yard either. And we just have to be ready for that stage of life and age gracefully. We all don't want the same thing. We don't all need the same thing at the same stage of different stages of our lives. So I just, I really wanna focus on that purple which I think is a really positive thing. I wish we didn't have F-35s flying over them, but anyway, that's just the fact of life here in South Burlington. I just, you guys, you wanted to say something. Did you have a comment and then- Oh, I just, I just wanted to say, I didn't read all of the words in those guiding principles, but affordable housing is specifically listed as well as under the thoughtful and sustainable built environment, we're really talking about all of the different areas where people live really striving towards that welcoming walkable with parks and facilities, safe, resilient. I mean, all of those things would apply to all of the different areas, whether it's the red where there's more mixed use, whether it's the orange where it's higher scale or in the yellow as well, where we would expect some neighborhoods as well. So, you know, it's not only the red areas where we'd see affordable housing because of our other policies we have in place as well, like the inclusionary zoning, which does include affordable types of housing kind of throughout the different areas of our city. Lisa, did you want to say something? Come up to the mic, so please. Well, it might help you think about this a little differently, Tyler, is this is a guiding document and nice job. I read the whole thing and I made some notes too. When it comes to housing, that's one of my worries. I was born here, I grew up here. I worry about being able to stay here. I live in Queen City Park. You have all these forces outside my neighborhood, I mean, not just South Bolinton, but outside that are saying, what a great, fantastic place to live. It's a neighborhood. When I was a little kid, it was the poor side of town. We had somebody pay 1.3 million for a house down there.  I know what those houses were. They were originally camps and people have had to redo them. So, affordable housing is a wonderful concept. Unfortunately, people who are here are being pitted against people coming in from outside that have the money, they have the resources that we just can't compete with sometimes. So, when you're forcing developers to have to have units or housing that are for lower income people, that is something we can control, but we can't control everything on the market. But I understand where you're coming from because I do look at that.  And I think about the fact that at some point, my yard's gonna be too much for me to be able to take care of. And yeah, I have no problem going into senior housing, but am I gonna be able to even afford that? Is there anything going to be available because of the influence of people that have been coming here? So, there's a lot of concerns and that's where we can probably have a little bit more control with the regulations and planning and stuff like that. And you have fish or cats. Rather than so much with, you know, the comprehensive plan, we put it in there, this is what we want, but the more minute detail comes later. And you have fish or cats in your part of town and there's a lot of runoff along the way. I personally would not wanna build a single family house. There, to be quite honest with you, having visited that part of town, there's a lot of the- Well, I go up the door and it's like skunk, I'm out here if you're here. And I usually have, I'm okay, but yeah, I had a fox just run through my yard yesterday. Yeah, I don't mean for the conversation to focus on whether or not this yellow patch is appropriate for housing. That's the bigger issue is, again, around our comprehensive plan, are we taking enough measures and are we thinking carefully enough about how we are going to balance not affordable housing, strike a balance between our vision and our desire to fight climate change with balancing the affordable neighborhood oriented character of our community. Not affordable housing, but affordability. And, again, I worry we are going to have big bills coming up regarding our schools.  Particularly, we have this, the plan is wonderful. It's not free. And we have, we're not, there's a fixed amount, a fine amount of income that we are generating as a city in revenue. And it's only going to get more difficult as years go on. What are we, how are we going to balance that? And is that adequately represented here? And is it adequately reflected here? And housing is part of it. But there are other components too. And I worry about that. And I wanna make, I'd like for us to have the conversation around that. Because I, you know, like Helen, I don't know that I share everyone's optimism that we will be able to attract or retain residents after their kids are done with our schools. Tax burden is really high.  And I worry that if that is our plan, exclusively for how we are going to invite more people in, I worry about that. I share your worry. And I sat on a San Diego sidewalk patio listening to the last meeting and I heard our tax collector say that our tax rate can go down because we have more in our TIF district and more in our rooms and meals and a grand list. And I'm like, yes. No. It's not going down. It's not increasing as much. It's not increasing as much, fine. It's still going up at 5.4%. But I meant that it's going down from what we had passed, the projections. What we had passed in March, it's lower than that. People will not be paying the same amount in taxes as what we had told them in March. Am I right? It's lower projection. So lower projection. But they didn't have a tax bill to actually look at. It's a lower increase. Yeah. It's a lower increase. But it's an increase. It's a lower increase. Yeah, so I guess just to kind of circle back a little bit. So what we're doing today is we're giving you an update and I think it's kind of our job as commissioners to spend between now and October when we're back to you kind of evaluating that. Are we balancing right? What is the public feedback? Does this continue to make sense to have climate change as an overarching goal? And those are the kinds of things we're gonna be hearing back from the public on and gonna be able to come back with maybe some answers to what you're saying. And we've heard from public and had a lot of discourse in topic area, discussions and things for months. And this is where we've gotten to at this point. But we do still have work to do between now and October when you're gonna see this again. So I think our plan would be to answer some of those questions for you. Does it feel like the right balance? Our increase is lower because we've been building this congregate housing. Let's just make it really, and correct me if I'm misunderstanding, but and if we can build commercial, if we can build commercial, it will further be lower increases going forward. So I really know from years of working with the staff of South Burlington, and we've gone through several city managers. Paul's only the second city planner I've worked with. And they know what they're doing. And I see other communities, I won't name any names, but they're paying nearly twice what we're paying. And they're living right there. So we just have to really keep pushing like you're pushing. But I'm not ready to say it's doomsday. I really think that we're moving in the right direction. I really do. Okay. Can I have two wrap up points if possible? So just, I know you have the supplemental sides. And I said I wasn't gonna go through all of them, but two things I do wanna point out is that with our planning areas, there's a map in there. And the planning areas, there's discussion about each of those kind of quadrants almost of the city. And then there's one first city center. And in our 2016 plan, city center, central districts, you know, had kind of a funny hourglass shape. And we've now made it blocky. So what it means is that we're not leaving the neighborhoods kind of adjacent to our central district, kind of hanging out there. And we're, we want to kind of focus of that whole area discussion, including those adjacent neighborhoods in this plan discussion, because those interactions are important. And then the other thing that I wanted to point out is that we have included all the information we need for this plan to also be an enhanced energy plan. And that's important for various things. And I think one of the biggest ones, so that we as a city have substantive difference. And that's not the right word. Substantial difference, substantial difference when there's an application in front of the public service board. So those are two kind of bigger changes that, you know, there's more details in your packet, but I thought I could point those out. And then Jesse, I think was- And Jesse wanted to say something. Well, I guess I was trying to go back to Jessica's attempt to ask some, ask the question of what feedback you got that would be helpful to the planning commission tonight. And I, because I thought that was a really good question for the council, because all the things you're debating are the things that will be continued to be debated for the next six months as the plan is finalized. So I think what I'm hearing from counselors is that you're comfortable with climate change being a very high, if not the superior goal to everything else, but there's an interest in looking at that balance and looking at ensuring that all of the four areas are really highlighted and equitably treated across the plan, even if one's kind of above the other. Is that guidance that's helpful to the- Uncomfortable the way it's written. Planning commission. Yeah, yeah, I am too. I just, you know, the whole thing is what's realistic in the end. And so you have all these goals and you strive to meet them. And then the bottom line is the decision you make needs to be realistic. Right. Whatever it is.  Yeah, I just had a quick comment. And I just want to say, Tyler, I totally agree with you and I'm one of the people that has been pushing hard for the climate focus. And I think that if you take a look, dig down into the plan, you will see that the issues of equity and affordability and real community balance runs throughout the entire plan already. It doesn't show up in the highlights so much. And that's something that maybe we need to look at, but everything that's been talked about tonight is some, are things that we have been focusing very, been very focused on in our commission. Okay. That's great to hear, Lori. And I guess my feedback would be, let's bring that, let's make that more pronounced in the forefront and in those first few upfront slides and let's make that more clear. I support that. I support that. Will Hurt, thank you. And keep in mind too, it's really important that we look long term, which the planning commission, that's what they're charged to do, is the incremental changes that might seem like steep today, these are molehills compared to the mountains. If we don't do these molehills today, the people in 20, 30 years are gonna be climbing mountains. And we have to plan for that.  You see what I'm saying? It's a long term. No, 100%. And that's what, that's, we're very much in the same page. That it's, this is, I wanna make sure that that comes through and that it's not, it's not one at all costs. One at all costs. That what's not one, that's climate. It's not climate, if we're fighting climate change. Okay, yes. I agree. And at all costs. I agree. Thank you guys. They're actually saying very similar things. Yes. Yeah, they are. Yes. Okay. Thank you. Thank you. Jessica. Thank you. And Tom. Sorry. And the other commissioners. It's so great, yeah. And great work. Yes. One more comment on the comp plan before you move on. You may. So this is, I'm gonna step a little into your world for a minute over a step, perhaps, which I feel a little bad about considering how awesome the Hubbard Park conversation was. I would encourage you, Jessica, put up a great timeline of when, what feedback we're gonna hear when and when decisions are gonna be made. And the five of you have the ultimate authority on what is in the plan that gets published. So the planning commission is gonna do a lot of public outreach and engage with people. They're gonna finalize the draft that they recommend to you. And then you get to change it, if you would like. That's a lot of authority for five people to hold. So as we go through, as they go through the public engagement process, I would encourage you as you're participating in those conversations to really make as much room for everybody else as possible. This is the opportunity for the rest of the community to be heard. And you guys hold a lot of authority. And when you start talking, other voices shut down. And that's just human nature. You have a big city councilor expressing an opinion. And if I'm not confident in my opinion, I'm not going to share it as much. I'm not saying don't get involved. I'm not saying don't provide feedback, but think about how you five kind of stand back for a minute to let the public engagement process play out because ultimately you get to decide whatever you want in the end. Does that make sense? Yeah. Thanks. Well, let me talk about that for five minutes. Hold on. I'm just kidding. You are five minutes of the agenda. Just coming up. Okay. Thank you very much. Thank you. We'll try not to get in your way. And thank you. So we're moving on to item 10, receive an update on the development of the implementation plans for the climate action plan. All right. So the next three agenda items are actually in my head a bit related. So this is a new agenda item that hadn't been on your agenda planner, but as I was going through with the leadership team to finalize the policies and strategies, set of recommendations coming off of the retreat, I realized that what we hadn't done going into that was tell you a clear picture of how we are implementing the climate action plan and what strategically we think are the best moves going forward. So I wanted to give you a summary of that in writing. I felt like we owed it to you to tell you where we were with those three implementation plans. So just high level summary. And again, this is our, as the policy turns over to implementation, this is our attempt to make sure we're achieving the goals established in the climate action plan, be as strategic as possible. So we're focusing on the biggest impact changes and then being very clear about how we need to leverage other resources to get there. Paul, I hope you're not leaving. Okay, there's three implementation plans we're working on. The transportation implementation plan, as you know, we had a UPWP grant for, that's the one that's farthest ahead of the pack. And as in, quite frankly, I would say the final stages of collecting information and writing, and we anticipate having that final implementation plan in the fall.  So that's great, that's moving on. Government implementations plan, which is really how our organization is going to meet these goals, has been a pretty significant challenge in the last year. And one of the reasons I want to give you this memo is that I realized we hadn't talked to you about this. So as you may remember, we got a grant from the state to hire a consultant to write this plan. We put out an RFP on the street. We got one consultant response. It was non-responsive. They were only going to do a very small portion of the implementation plan. So we deemed it non-responsive and didn't follow through. So we have reprioritized Lou Brezee's work and Nick Atherton, our new city planners work to partner to write this plan for us over the next six to nine months. It's gonna be a pretty heavy lift of staff. And we are taking the approach of we're really trying to engage all of the leaders in the city into what are those creative ideas to meet the plan. So on Wednesday morning, we're having our extended directors meeting, which is the leadership team plus middle management that's really focusing on these efforts. Our hope is to have enough of an idea of the early years of that plan to bring you as part of the FY25 budget and then adopt the full implementation plan over the winter. The reason I wanna highlight this one specifically is as we were working with Nick and Lou to finalize that plan, I realized that Andrew, a lot of what you had been bringing up in the policies and strategies were parts of that implementation plan. So when I rewrote the policies and strategies document, I called that out more specifically in that that we brought forward to you tonight. And then the final one is the buildings and thermal implementation plan. We have no funding for this yet, but you have taken a number of steps already and there are additional steps in the policies and strategies that are aligned to this work, but we don't have a plan for actually writing the implementation plan yet. So I just wanted to give you those updates of where we were because you will see it again into agenda items when you talk about the policies and strategies. Paul, anything big that I missed? Just that while we would have loved to have had responsive proposals to the RFP, this is also a really neat opportunity of a couple of folks, Lou having been involved with the city for a long time to really build internal strength and support for something that really is gonna be a system-wide approach. And so we wanted to make sure even if we did get a consultant that it's not, here's something dropped on your desk because it's really, from the very beginning with developing the Climate Action Plan and the work for the Energy Committee, the question was how do we make sure that it's sort of in the minds and in the thought process of decision-making from the start. So I think that this revised game plan, I think we'll have a really strong ability to do that. Okay. That's all I wanted to say on that agenda. Okay, let's move on to item 11 then. Discuss and consider taking action to direct the city manager to work with the school superintendent on the transfer of ownership of 577 Dorset Street to the school district. So this is coming out of your conversation with the school board at the steering committee meeting recently. I think there was a lot of agreement between the council and the school board that starting to work towards this plan of transferring ownership of that property is a good idea that superintendent and I certainly would recommend that we start working on that. It is a pretty detailed process that's gonna require defining some legal terms, figuring out some shared use agreements and additionally moving forward with the CHT lot line boundary adjustment for the ARPA funding. So I thought it would be appropriate for you to take an active vote to direct me to do this because you are the ones who have the authority to sell property, I do not. So I'll make that motion. Second. Okay, any discussion? Yeah, we just closed everything that we needed to about that building to the school district. I'm just kidding, I'm sorry. Jesse, where does it leave us with respect to the, if we sell the building, the rec space that's there or the plan to maybe expand for the additional folks for the rental, you know. Where does it leave us on those two? Yeah, that's a great question. So Steve is working on that. That is one of the items that we need to unpack. We have a number of things stored right now. We have recreation storage there. We have our emergency radio server there. We have our vaults there that stores all of our election materials. So we need a plan for either keeping some of that in like subleasing back from the school, some of that space and adding on to the fire department. So as we talked about with the rental registry we were starting to cost out some options and scenarios for you on that. We are still going through that process and are hoping to bring that back to you in the second meeting in August with the rental registry ordinance. I would agree to the motion but I would want us to focus on subleasing so we don't incur in order to expense in moving things that are really hard to move. So happy to do that. I don't think there's a whole lot of likelihood that they're going to, I think they may allow us to keep the vault and keep a server closet. I'm not sure they're going to let us keep office space. Office space is not hard to move. Sorry? The vault and the server are hard to move. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. But am I hearing you say you want to keep the rental registry there? Oh, I certainly want to keep the vault and the server there. It sounds like those things are really hard to move. And so if we sell the building, we should negotiate that we can keep that stuff. Okay. The rental, I guess I'll leave up to you. I mean, it's a staff management. Like where do you want to see people where the best, I don't have strong feelings about that. Yeah. I know that the fire department did, right? Our electrical inspections team did so. Right, there's a real programmatic advantage to having building inspection and rental inspection co-located both from a staffing perspective, being the most nimble, having the staff that's the most nimble to deploy, but also co-locating fire prevention with fire suppression. So you have your suppression folks thinking in a prevention mindset. Could there ever be an addition on the north end of our fire station? See, there's a reason he stayed. Yeah. Why don't we just defer this as a question because we're focusing right now on the, giving you the power to negotiate, right? Yes. Because you're gonna come back to it and talk to us about this in the future, right? We are, and yes, he's looking at that. Yeah, so that's the report we hold to bring with you to on August 21st, we've asked the consultant to look at adding onto the north side of the building as the most economical way to house the inspection, rental registry all into one place, easy access to the public, and enough storage space to take care of some of the parks and rec storage that we would be losing. You can just grab a zoom. Okay, thank you. Thank you so much. So you need a motion. I made that motion. We have a motion that was made and seconded by Tyler, right? So you're ready for that? Yes. Okay, all in favor? Aye. Aye. Is that unanimous? Go to it, Jesse. Great. I think you should also expect a formal letter from the school asking you to enter into the note. Those are negotiations. I had that conversation with the superintendent today. Yeah. And they are preparing them. Good enough. Can I go on to the next one? Yes, I'm sorry. Let's go on to approving the FY24 policy priorities and strategies and the committee work plans. So thank you very much for your time during the retreat. I and leadership have spent some time integrating what we heard from you all on the 26th into this proposal. What we are looking for tonight is an adoption of both the shared work plan between the council and the leadership team as well as between the council and the committees. Two major changes I want to call out in the leadership team and council one is one I've added in a priority around planning for 575-577 Dorset Street that hadn't been in there as a priority previously. So I specifically called that out. And then I've rearranged the climate action plan set of bullets on page four, the last section of your priorities that specifically emphasize the completion of the transportation implementation plan and the government operations implementation plan and then talked about what we would do once those are completed, what things we would immediately prioritize. So those are the specific high level changes I've made and hopefully I've reflected your conversation. And I would ask for a motion to approve both our shared work plan and the committee's work plans. So moved. Second? I'll second it. You second. Yeah. Yeah. And ready for, I just had a question. I did have a question. The pending resources explore creating a village green and city center. What resources, is that the ARPA discussion? Is that, what are? So it could be ARPA, I think to have that conversation well, we're going to need some help thinking about how we activate the spaces that are available and what that might, what it might look like to have a green space in a poon lot, what it might look like to have a green space at the university mall, what it might look like to have a green space at the judge parcel, and then have you all give us some authorization to start negotiating with private property owners. So that's what I mean by pending resource. That's a pretty big dollar line. So, but we will do it this year. We will have that discussion. Assuming you allocate some money to do it. Yes. Yes. Okay. So, I have a couple of comments. I think we should reword that. Pending resource to explore sounds very weak to me. Yeah, but just to. I mean, pending resource to do, okay, but we should be exploring. Because we were ready to vote on that on the 26th. Okay. I think that we should have a discussion with the owners of the lot to try and negotiate a price. And that doesn't cost a lot of money to have a discussion. And are you specifically talking about the poon lot or are you talking about like, that's what I'm talking about. What the parking lot at the rear of the blue mall could look like or what it could look like if it was between. That's too complicated. I'm talking about the parking lot that's opposite city center. Yes. So I think it puts us at a strategic disadvantage to be saying we are gonna throw the council's entire weight behind buying a parcel from one particular buyer for one particular purpose. It's a blank check. I'm not doing it. I agree. That's why I was trying to give you some options to like explore how we. Exploring sounds good. Well, let's explore. So you guys talk about that. But it's not a pending resource to explore. I think we should be exploring. Exploring it. Yes, I agree. But my point is if it may do, is the issue that it's only, it's not a may do or a must do? I think it's a want to do. I think explore should be a must. I don't know. We're not gonna do it, but to explore it. Yes, we should be exploring. Yeah, so let me try one more time. Yeah, I'm not sure. I'm not following. I think if your direction is go buy the poon lot and explore that, you're right. Colin and I can do that within our existing resources. I think it's going to be a huge price tag to buy. If the council says we just wanna buy this one property, it's a blank check to them. They get to set whatever amount they want. If we spend a little bit of consulting money saying to a place maker, go tell us what this green space looks like and this green space looks like and this green space looks like and do they assess the value of each of those parcels? And then we, in executive direction, you give us direction of how to do that. To me, that's a better strategic approach to locating a green space than go, you telling me tonight to go get the poon lot. So can we do? I can do that. So I would like to do the must do, explore creating a village green and city center because if that's a small amount of money just to have a consultant develop those three options, we'll give it to you. I mean, we're ready to do that. So that's fine. I'm happy to change that to a must do, but I'm gonna bring you back on your next council agenda and allocation of fund balanced. Okay, that's fine. Yeah. I have some other comments. So we talked about a tree ordinance. Is that amenable to everyone? For now, yeah. Pardon? Yes? For now. Okay. We talked about a tree ordinance. Is that somewhere in here? Or is that too detailed? Tree ordinance, where is that? I didn't see it. Talk amongst yourselves for a quick second. Okay. Hey, I watched a wonderful movie on the plane. A good person. Have you seen it? No. I've seen Freeman and Florence Pugh. Wonderful. Really, really wonderful. And it's about opioid addiction. It's about OxyCotin. It's an amazing movie. And I really recommend it. Hey. We might get to watch it tonight. We might get to watch it tonight. Yeah, I could probably bring it up. We could just spend a couple hours watching it. It's on Amazon Prime. And so the tree nursery is on here. I guess I left that off this because at a previous meeting discussion about Astries, you gave Tom direction to do it. And it's also on. That's a totally different thing. We talked about the tree ordinance that the NRCC is working on. The NRCC work plan. It is on the NRCC work plan. I know. So there's lots of stuff on this work plan that might come to you for action as well. If you're saying it doesn't need to be here in order to consider it in short order, that's fine. But I think it's really important that we consider it in short order. Yeah, I would recommend you give direction. If the council approves the NRCC work plan, then you could ask them to bring that to council. I've done that. Okay. We talked about incorporating into the rental ordinance weatherization requirements. Are you looking at a specific area of this plan? Yeah. In the rental, adopt a rental ordinance and stand up a rental registry. I would like to add, including consideration of weatherization requirements. It's in the housing and city plan. It's not. The housing city plan is a pending resource to even do a plan. It's page 156 in our packets. What's that? It's page 156 in our packets. It's under housing. It's in the city plan. It's in the comp plan. Energy, right, the comp plan. Oh, it's on the comp plan. It's the city plan. It's probably the city plan. Well, Jessica and Paul, we're talking to us about. Okay, yet to be adopted. Yet to be adopted. Yeah, it's on page 156 of our packets. That's great. Improve energy efficiency, weatherization and electrification of existing homes and new homes. I'm talking about something very specific. Yeah. Right? In the rental ordinance, we have the power to require landlords to incrementally weatherize. And I think we should add that here as something that we work on. We're gonna, in August, we're gonna be talking about the short term rentals and long term rentals ordinance. Yeah. So does that need to be included on the plan since it's already on an agenda in August? Well, it's not. Steve, feel free to come up. But I think what Andrew is asking for is in on the policies and strategies document under core municipal services and administration. One, two, three, four, five, six, seven down is adopt a rental ordinance and stand up a rental registry you're asking for. That includes weatherization requirements. That's what I would like to see in there. Okay. I would encourage you to let us get the rental registry off the ground before we add additional components to it that would add complexity to that group of what their assignments are. So I don't know. I would ask you to hold off and let us make sure we form that and move it forward before we add additional work that's really outside of the normal scope. Add a pending resources. I would say, I hear you. I understand and I would say that there's no way we're gonna hit the goals of our climate action plan even remotely close unless we start working on it. So that's, I would argue we are working on it. We're standing up the team. I mean, we're standing up the team and do that work in the future. I understand. I know. Could it say something like adopt a rental ordinance and stand up a rental registry with a future intention that includes whether that includes a weatherization component? That wouldn't be my preference but I'm only one voice. I gotta follow the direction. For the horse. Yeah. I mean, we have the horse we've got, you know. I hope we can put him in place at the same time. We've heard, I think we've heard from Chief Locke that the best practice and best way to proceed is to get it up and running first. I'm inclined to trust our staff and I'm inclined to take prudent and reasonable measures that we can but we have to walk before we can run. I think I would take his advice as well. And we've got a horse, Andrew. Yeah. We got a horse and a good horse. Eventually we can fill the cart up. Yeah. Maybe. Maybe we can. A horse. Yeah. You know, a horse was gold back in the day and it still is. All right, so. I got one more. One more. Okay. Sidewalks. That isn't here. That's where to God I put that in here because we had a whole conduct to sidewalk condition inventory. It's pending resources. It's under roll of council and prioritized maintenance and future budgets. We needs against shared use path and paving needs. And remember that by changing our city center, Paul helped me to a designated downtown growth area. My close population growth area that we would save a lot of money and then permitting process by changing city center to a designated downtown and population growth area. So the objective this year is to renew our existing new town center and neighborhood development area designations. They expire every five years. And then we've talked to the planning commission about expanding the neighborhood development area both to the north side of Williston road and as far down as the former city hall site, which will help the, it gives us some benefits in terms of grant priorities and things like that. It also helps the development community in that it limits the rat to 50 exposure and caps a lot of their fees at the state level, which helps with housing affordability. Also in the proposed policy priorities is to begin to lay the foundation for becoming a designated downtown. The structure is not laid out for a place like South Burlington to be that. It's really, this is a multi-year effort in our mind to start to help ourselves and then our state partners and possibly the legislature conceive of what does it mean to have created a downtown. So it's sort of laying those first steps towards that which brings even more benefits. Great, great. And ultimately gives us more money to work with. Gives everybody more money to work with. Gives everybody more money to work with. Yes, and reinforces the statewide planning goal of compact developments around a by-country side, which is really ultimately what this is all about, so. Yeah. Yeah. So I think that's the placeholder in my mind, the sidewalks. I know I've heard several people talk about it throughout the city that sidewalks are an issue. So I've got it as a placeholder, Andrew. That was during our retreat. I put it there. Let's turn it from a pending resource to a may-do. The reason that's a pending resource is that we currently have $2,000 in this year's budget for it. I know. So if you want to give us resources, we would be happy to do it. You should. I'll go along with you when the update comes. It's going to come, Andrew. Your day will come. OK. OK. So I think you can to adopt this. Motion. Can I make a motion to approve? We already did. We have a motion and a second. Oh, I did? Motion and a second. We're just a discussion. Yeah. So we're done with the discussion. Do you have any more points? Those were my four points. So what are we changing? We're creating. Explore creating a village green and city centered to a must-do.  Weatherization, we're not putting it in there. Well, you're going to put something about future. The weatherization, we're not putting into later. So we have the registry up and running. OK, so not even a future. OK. The tree nursery. The tree nursery. You have to bring the NRCC's work plan forward for us to adopt. They have to bring it, yeah. Well, OK, they have to. But as the council liaison, you can say, well, we're ready to receive it. Is the wife through the chair? Then the fourth thing was the sidewalks. We're not taking anything on that. I'm just, I'm with you when the dollars are there. But the dollars aren't there yet. They have to be clearly moved from one column to the other column. You have to take action. Yep. And a warned agenda item. OK. All right, Tim, my motion and Helen, you second it. OK, are you ready for the vote? All in favor, signify by saying aye. Aye. Any opposed? Did I hear all four or five ayes? OK. I do very much appreciate you guys spending so much time going through that process with us. It really helps staff to know how we can be successful in your eyes. So thank you. OK, item 13, one of our favorite. I would entertain a motion to go become the liquor control commission. Second. All in favor? Aye. We have one pending La Quinta. And move that we approve the La Quinta in Sweet's first class hotel liquor license. Second. Any discussion? Seeing none, all in favor, signify by saying aye. Aye. We come out of liquor control commission. Second. All in favor? Aye. Aye. OK, I'll drink to that. Other business. The one quick thing is that, I know Barry Gerard is a resident of South Village, I also knew him at IBM. And he's been emailing me about traffic building up in the middle lane at Dorset Street wanting to turn left because everybody thinks that they have to get in the middle lane. Some of the people want to get onto the interstate to go north immediately. But he thinks the left lane is underutilized because the signage doesn't detail well enough the fact that if you get in the left lane, you can go to Burlington. You can still probably get on the interstate south. And the far right lane is right turn only. So the middle lane, I just sent Erica an email saying, what switches do we have or dials to pull? It may be a state signage problem. It's a state sign. It's probably not ours at all. So anyway, so I don't want you to respond to it. So that's it. So anyway. Maybe the same thing on Shelbur Road for the Burlington to the highway. Right. It's two turns. That's all I'm going to do other business here. OK. OK. And then we have the recognition. Yeah, thank you. So Sandy Dooley and the Affordable Housing Committee, as usual, they came forward asking for ideas of how we could recognize John Simpson, who will be stepping down from city service after many years of really exceptional service. And I know that he was appointed a city counselor. Back in the day when I stepped down in 2012, along with James Knapp, Jim Knapp, we got a plaque. And I, from 2012 to 2014, have no idea what happened. And I don't recall that since 2014, we've been giving plaques. I'm not aware of any plaques. That have either stepped down or perhaps someone else got elected and they weren't able to continue. But that has been a longstanding tradition. It's something that I always knew during those initial years. And so I suggested to Sandy, don't listen to John Simpson, that we get him a plaque because of his months of service as a city counselor. And in addition to that, his work on the Affordable Housing Committee and all kinds of subcommittees and working committees that he's worked on. And then we also have Dave Kaufman. We have Tom Chitman and Matt Coda. We have Pam McKenzie, Chris Shaw, Pat Nowak, unfortunately not, but maybe her husband. But she got a whole resolution. I mean, she got a big thing. That's true. OK, very good. Thank you for remembering that. Yes. And prior to that, Roseanne and Sandy herself and Paul Engels. I mean, there are quite a few people that I think deserve more than a thank you. It's quite an honor to serve as a city counselor. And I think it's also a sacrifice. It's public services. You sacrifice your time.  I think it's something that we could do. And in addition, we could do a resolution for all of the committee members who stepped down, not only on the Affordable Housing Committee, but on several committees. We have very good people who have just really done great things for the city. And so the idea that I further suggested was that we do this at a Sobu night out. And since we have a few left, I'm bringing it up now. And I don't think this is a serious action item. I don't know if we have to wait until August in order to approve this. But I would hope we could just tell Jesse, please do what needs to be done so that at the next Sobu night out, that's possible. We can gather along with all these people and just thank them publicly and hand out some plaques and read a nice resolution that Helen would do and just have a great party celebrating South Burlington in service. Sandy liked the idea. Nancy Simpson thought it was wonderful. And John, turn off the TV. Okay. So it's committee members and former councilors. Certainly not opposed to it. It was just, I have it. It's a little wooden plaque with a nice metal, you know, and just, I can't remember the wording. I can bring it in if you want to see it. Just take a picture of it. And appreciation for X number of years of service. I can definitely send you a picture of it. So after the fact for some of the folks, but I'm okay with it. Well, you know, we went through as a city, we went through a city as a city, some real tumultuous years after I stepped down. And I think that we can just say, you know, this is, we're back. Re-instituting that tradition. We're re-instituting that tradition. Yeah. We're, you know, sometimes writing over sites is worth it, yeah. Okay, I certainly am not opposed to it, so. If it doesn't rain. If it doesn't rain, yeah. Can I make a suggestion given that so many people in the middle of summer that we do it on August 24th, that's the last Sobu night out? August 17th, they're likely as somebody else on our elected official team, we won't be celebrating. That's what it's about. That's another. And I have been talking about. Yes, I didn't say that person on purpose. Yes. Okay. Yeah, okay. Yes. I'm assuming that she knows very well what's happening tonight. Okay. So do you need a voter? Do you have direction? Let's go do it. So, but that's on August 17th for her? Well, that's not confirmed, but that's what we've been working on. Okay. So it would not be on the August 24th all together with everybody? Well, it could be all together, but I think that really may be perceived as diluting. So August 21st, you say? Fourth. And then the 17th. So if it's all right with you, I'll just be that date to give that date to Sandy and Nancy. So can I just check in with Holly to make sure? Of course. It's all okay. Yes. Okay. I'll wait. You're good information. Thanks. Okay. Any other business? Motion to adjourn. We have a motion to adjourn. All in favor? Bye. Bye. Bye. Oh, no, we're adjourned. Well, it seemed like I called you all. Actually, just before everyone scatters, Travis.


Hello and welcome to the session. Let us understand the following question which says a balloon which always remains spherical has a variable diameter 3 by 2 multiplied by 2x plus 1. Find the rate of change of its volume with respect to x. Now let us proceed on to the solution. The fifth I meter of the balloon is 3 by 2 2x plus 1. Hence r is equal to 1 by 2 multiplied by 3 by 2 multiplied by 2x plus 1. Therefore r is equal to 3 by 4 multiplied by 2x plus 1. Let us name it as 1. We know volume of the balloon that is sphere is given by v is equal to 4 by 3 pi r cube. Now substituting the value of r from 1 in v, we get v is equal to 4 by 3 pi multiplied by 3 by 4 multiplied by 2x plus 1 the whole cube which is equal to 4 by 3 pi multiplied by 3 cube is equal to 27 divided by 4 cube is equal to 64 multiplied by 2x plus 1 the whole cube which is equal to 4 by 3 multiplied by 27 by 64 pi multiplied by 2x plus 1 the whole cube which is equal to 27 gets cancelled by 3 and we get here 9 and 4 gets cancelled by 64 and we get here 16. So it is equal to 9 pi by 16 2x plus 1 whole cube. Now differentiating it with respect to x we get dv by dx is equal to 9 pi by 16 multiplied by 3 multiplied by 2x plus 1 the whole square multiplied by d by dx of 2x plus 1 which is equal to 9 pi by 16 multiplied by 3 multiplied by 2x plus 1 whole square multiplied by 2. Now 16 gets cancelled by 2 and we get here 8. So it is equal to 9 is a 27 pi by 8 multiplied by 2x plus 1 the whole square that is dv by dx. Hence volume is changing at the rate of 27 pi by 8 multiplied by 2x plus 1 the whole square. This is the required answer. I hope you understood this question by a nice day.


Save it and close it, save and close. Now we're not gonna record the invoices now, but let's just check out what would happen. I could open an invoice and when I'm going to my billing process, and I could say, okay, I need to run one for customer number one, for example, and then we have the information pulling in. So I might take this information from the timesheets and then turn around and invoice them. So that's one method I can do. I'm gonna say, I'm not gonna record it. Do you wanna leave without saving? I do, wait, I do wanna leave without saving. And then I'm gonna go down to the sales area to look at my customers. And just to note that within the customers, you've got this items here that says unbuild activity. So you can sort that way and that's gonna give you all the information that has this unbuild stuff in it. By the way, if you're in the bookkeeping view, that customers are located under the get paid and paid area and then customers. So that's a pretty neat feature because then you can go into here and you've got those, there's the time. So the time hasn't yet done anything to the financial statements, no impact on the balance sheet and the income statement, but it's ready for us to then link to the invoice. So this is another one of those great features that are great for internal bookkeeping, which if you used, if you learned accounting from a textbook, you might not be as familiar with, right? Because it's not actually creating the financial statements, but it's quite useful internally. You can also run reports for the unbuild time, but I would think that the easiest way to find it would be to go into the customers here and do your search for the unbuild time and that can help you out. So if you were doing a weekly or semi-weekly or monthly billing process in a CPA firm or accounting firm, or in this case in our guitar lesson projects, we would probably gather the time sheets together and kind of check those to what has been entered into the system with our customers here and look for the items that are billable and tie that out to the time sheets and whatnot so that we could then build them or invoice them, which we'll do in a future presentation.


Defend Dharma, Protect Dharma. Support Maharishi's Bharata Dharma Yatra. Don't look away anymore. Donate generously to defend the freedom of our beloved Sanatana Dharma. Scan the QR code on the screen or click the link below. I have had through my life many women, either my aunt, girlfriends, where I have been devoted to in a silent way. It's like there was a loyalty to them and I would have died for them. Matter of fact is that all these women have cut off the relationships and never told me why. But I noticed that the more fearless you become, the less the old relationships will hold. And it's right now not about the old relationships, but a confusion inside of me because there was a fear of being loyal to you, surrender to you and you losing.  That's what the one who sits on the asana, the job of this person sitting here is to point you there and you cannot lose that. You cannot. So everything else you lose is insignificant because somebody else replaces it when you have that. That is the thing you have to go for. Yes, and I know it was a confusion. It's not about the old stories and it's not about, but that was holding me back to really surrender and open to you completely. And it's not surrendering to me. This is not the posture. The posture is the readiness to surrender to the soul within, to that source. The problem arises when that, let's say the source is telling you, don't open the door to your friend who just knocked on the door. You have to be fearless enough to go with the truth. Where do you get that strength? That is where the spiritual guide Guru Master is there because by pointing out the ego, the readiness of that system to go with the truth is strengthened. If the Guru or the teacher is pointing out the ego because they want to torture you, then the question to be asked is why? What do they gain out of it? It would be the other way around generally that they would gain more if they said nice things to you. So the work that is undertaken is to point out the ego. So when you look at that and you see, oh okay, you don't have to spend your time looking at the ego. That's the job of the spiritual guide because the ego is never going to go to its own funeral. It's not going to do that.  It's not going to say that. So that's when the outside person comes in. But the connection, the deep, deep connection which you hold onto is the truth within yourself. And then what happens is you don't feel the dependence on the spiritual master. When you don't feel the dependence on the spiritual master or guide or Guru, then you can have a strong Guru-Shishya relationship. It is only when there is dependence that there is fear of loss. You know what I'm saying? Absolutely, I understand what you're saying. That is your final destination.  And the connection with the Guru is, or with the guide or whatever language you speak and what words you use, is one of love. It's one of reverence because they have shown you yourself. It's one of friendship. You know my grandmother, her Guru was Shirdi Sai Baba. She had his big portrait in the house. She asked him for something and he didn't give it to her. And so she got really furious with him and she took his portrait and put it outside the house and said, you stay outside. You're not welcome in my house anymore. And that's the relationship with the Guru. The Guru is your friend. It's two people playing a role on a stage. One is the Guru, one is the disciple. Each one stays in their domain and plays that role out to perfection. So then the rest of the family members said, what is this and how can you put this picture out? She said, I don't want him here. He's never doing anything for me. I let him stay outside, not coming to my house. And finally they convinced her and everything. For a long time she was like looking at him strangely and walking past his portrait in the house. You know, he was so real for her. So that is the relationship also with the Guru. It's not this idea that a lot of Westerners have that the Guru is like impeccable and infallible and is like Jesus who was Son of God. No. The Gurus are sometimes less capable, less spiritual, less pure than their disciples. There are many cases like that where the Guru is just some wretched creature. Sometimes there are people who take up a Guru who doesn't speak, doesn't even look at them, just is lying on the road there and spit coming from their mouth. There have been people who have taken up some Guru like that and they revere that Guru. It is about you, it is not about the Guru. That is Guru-Shishya relationship. Not the idea of being a follower of Jesus, which is also an approach, but it is not a Guru-Shishya approach. It is a follower approach, the sheep and the shepherd approach. That is not Guru-Shishya parampara. That is not Guru-Vada. Guru-Vada is a very active back-and-forthing between the Guru and the Shishya. It's fighting, it's arguing, it's charcha, it's reverence, it's love, it's samarpan. It's a very human relationship and yet in the tradition of Guru-Vada, the Guru is seen as more powerful or more important to the Shishya than God himself or God herself or God itself. So that is the other side of it. It's a very varied, multi-faceted relationship and certainly not one where there is any dependence. The moment you feel dependent, you've got to go within and hold on to the Antar Guru, the final destination and then you will be able to have a powerful and free relationship with the Guru. So when the Guru then points out the ego, then you're like, okay, let me listen to what is being said here because you're not afraid of being dependent. Understand? Absolutely. It relieves my system so much. It's a very free relationship. The Indians, they never listen to what the Guru tells them. It's a Westerners who listen to everything and then, yeah, I have some Indian students, I tell them something in the morning to do one hour later, you can be sure that they won't do it. So the relationship is not this strict and heavy and it's lightness. Lightness and if the Guru is pointing out something, they anyway don't take it so seriously. It's lightness, something is absorbed, something is left, again it's absorbed, again it's left. And yes, if the Guru is a corrupt Guru who has done some crimes then you have to rethink the story but most of the time it's not like that. And yes, there is also that question of loyalty certainly and it's not a loyalty to the Guru, it's a loyalty to your own relationship to the Guru. You have to know. Nobody is going to be chasing after you saying you have to be this and be that. It's not a religious setup. Guru Vada is not a religious setup, it isn't. So you don't have to worry about it. We'll all be fine. Defend Dharma, Protect Dharma. 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