Hello, my name is Carlos and I'm the Director of Engineering and Technology at Miami College and I will be presenting today one of our projects that is called Geographic Information System for Environmental Awareness and Community Engagement. This program has three main objectives. The first one is to develop an educational pathway. The second one is to develop technology applications for disaster reduction. And the third one is to contribute to the community engagement by being part of a strategy developed by the Miami-Dade County that is called Receiving 305. For the first objective, we have created a college credit certificate on Geographic Information Systems at Miami-Dade College. It's a 21 credit program that can also be followed by high school students because we have created, we have articulated a program with them to do an involvement. So when the students, when they are in high school, they can be part of this college credit certificate with us. And once they complete the college credit certificate, they can continue to obtain their associate degrees in Science and Information Technology and continue with this educational pathway. Once they complete the Associate in Science and Information Technology, they can go on and complete the Bachelor of Science and Information Technology at Miami-Dade College. If they want to continue studying in these areas, they can go on to the Florida International University to pursue a graduate certificate in GIS. So this is the pathway that we have created and it gives the students a huge opportunity learning information technology and applications in GIS, especially with environmental impacts analysis. The second objective is to develop a platform for maternal and disaster reduction that can be shared with the students and that the students will be able to share with their communities and well, the community to see either their families or so there are other students in the colleges. These are several phases. The first phase is to develop capacities for data capture with remote sensing, which mainly is the use of drones. The second is to create with this data capture, we create the urban models. Then we do the hazards and vulnerability analysis. First, we develop the risk analysis and finally we estimate the economic and social losses. I will explain you a little bit how this works. We have chosen, for instance, this study area in Miami-Dade. You see the, well, this is Florida, this is Miami and then we have this region, which is one of the census tract. We call it census tract 21 and we have chosen this area to analyze. We fly our drone and we, you see the number of photos, the points that we analyze here, 1.5 million, billion points to analyze this area and to raise the urban models that would allow us to understand and to assess the impact of the hurricanes and flooding. We complete models like this and those are very precise models that really let us understand what's going on and we actualize all data related to the urban, to the urban condition of the buildings and also the whole census tract. In relation to the hazards, we are working with analyze hurricanes and flooding and we follow deterministic and probabilistic strategies and in this example that I will be showing to you, we use the hurricane for a 500-year return period and the flooding for a 100-year return period. In order to analyze the risks, we follow the methodologies developed by FEMA in the strategy and methodology that is called HASUS, which means hazards in the US and FEMA has defined three levels of analysis. A level one, which is of easy access but it's based on public inventory available data. A second level, which allows you to improve this inventory and a HASUS level three, which allows you to do a building by building evaluation. When we go from level one to level two, we have to go and analyze each one of the regions and obtain more information related to each building, each house for instance. This is the general data that we have to analyze and the specific data also is shown here. The situation is that when we have to use this data analysis and this data capturing capacities using the drones because the public data is not adequate, will never lead to good results. So level one that is provided by HASUS is not such a good thing. It never allows us to have good results and here you can see the footprints that are real realistic. We can see them here and the difference between the ones that we can capture with the drones and the ones that are shown that are taken into consideration by HASUS level one. That will show you some of the differences when you use the level one with the public inventory. FEMA considers that the exposure for the buildings in this census tract is 661 million dollars but what we have evaluated is a lot more than that, more than twice. So this shows you that the results that we might obtain when we expose this value is different to what we will obtain if we expose the value that we have assessed ourselves. So the inventory is 2.6 times higher when we do the analysis following the more precise methodologies that we use. And this leads to differences that are important. The economic classes when for an hurricane, economic classes for a 500-year hurricane, you can see the difference here. Level one is about 400 million dollars and when you use level two, it's a big difference of almost a billion dollars that we have as a difference here. When we work with the flooding, the situation is very similar. This is the public inventory and this is the improved inventory that we have assessed. The economic class is estimated with improved inventory is 1.8 times the obtained with the public inventory. When we analyze the debris that is generated by the hurricane, winds and by the flooding, you can see also a big difference as I want to show here in this picture. The debris losses improved with the improved inventory is about 145 times between 1.5 and 1.9, the losses, the debris generated when we use level one. This shows that we really need to develop local capacities to be able to use these models created by FEMA. The third area, the third objective of our program is to develop community engagement and the main way that we have followed this is by being part of a network that has been created by the Miami-Dade County and includes municipalities, community organizations, and public schools. Here with Miami-Dade College, with this program, we are active members of the Resilient 305 strategy. This is a strategic program for Resiliency that has been led by the Office of Resiliency of Miami-Dade and it includes also the Office of Resilience of the Miami Beach and the City of Miami and also the universities, not only Miami-Dade College but also the Florida International University and the University of Miami. This is a very active network and this project, GSEC, has allowed us to be active and to propose solutions and to help the development of this Resiliency strategy. GSEC contributes to several outcomes of the Resilient 305. We support natural disaster preparedness. We help students and people understand Resilience. It expedites disaster recovery, gives up a capacity for that and also to improve the housing quality when people understand the risks that they are having or suffering. They can take this as a reference and also to reduce the impact of the sea level rise and coastal and stormwater including the impacts. The conclusions of our program at this stage, the present stage, would be that we have created an academic pathway that supports community. We have developed accurate risk analysis procedures because the available data of public sources is not always accurate and we have been able to improve the data of the target zone. We obtain results of losses and risk of around twice the results generated by the most that use public data. This is all folks. Thank you very much and I really want to help to thank the Public Interest Technology University Network because it's been their support that has allowed us to develop this program. Thank you very much.


All right, so welcome here. This is not going to last long actually I'm trying to cut this very short in order to have some time to for conversation So please get foggiest. I'm gonna go fast 15 strong minutes Just let me know upfront how many have Already heard my talk on Tuesday. Please raise your hands if you were on the phone Tuesday Okay, so it's like minority just to know not to repeat things too much All right, so here's the thing. There's something weird coming up to our way of working in the next years Something that's probably a little frightening frightening and and let's let's try to understand what is it and how to be prepared for that. Okay, so first of all, I need to To do a little outing act. I'm an intruder in the agile community I'm not strictly part of it. Yeah, actually, I am part of it But I am equally part of other communities like organization design community Lin start up community service design community serious gaming from community and other things that are working on the same topics All these communities are asking themselves. How is our future going to be? So I can propose you a different perspective which is not focused on software So this is outing if you don't like this kind of things now, you know it So just quick because we've heard very interesting thing in a previous keynote what happened just a little context We have built organizations for 150 years to be durable stable and predictable Right and we did it so well that now we're striving to change them and they don't because they're stable So hierarchy was born for that Taylor divided people thinking from people executing and we're organizing. We've been organizing our Structures in that way hierarchical very solid Now one thing happened in the meanwhile, and this is a diagram from my friend needs this flagging He's published a nice book on this. So I'm aware. I'm here if you want to ask more So this is what happened we've been coming from an age in which Complexity was really high due to human interactions. It was the market of you know Love the system of local markets high customization craftsmanship. This was normal was really high complexity then Through technology industrial age. We went into an era in which complexity fell down Few players controlling markets and so rules pretty stable And you will able to foresee your future Refugees for your company or for your work for next maybe 20 years in the 60s. Okay So this is now unthinkable today markets are back to this level of complexity Thanks to the technology we have developed there actually if you imagine the whole Mankind history this thing which is called the Taylor bathtub Completely disappears. This is a singularity. It's something that it's yeah, it's it's a inverse hype Normal the normal situation of mankind. It's always be been high complex and today markets look like this Okay, this is a good representation of any Wide human system today any dot is a player and these are the connection between player This is roughly the definition of complexity number of player number interactions Emergent dynamics unforeseeable, right? So these he's having consequences due to the fact we still have all structures to manage into this situation These consequences are social as you might have seen because this applies to all our governments and wider societies Not just companies So people have been complaining about 100 percent Controlling 99 percent in different scopes not just in organizations. I Will cut this short, you know about Arab Spring, you know about Occupy movements But also good things are happening. Thanks to these new situation people can get together without central centralized control and planning and Create value in ways that have never happened before Okay, so the the result as we have heard is the word is getting smaller smaller But things are getting faster and faster So it leaves us with the question what the heck is going to be tomorrow to work in this kind of words Now some of us turn to these kind of things. Who knows what this diagram is please raise your hands No way it's one. This is the hype cycle. This is published every year by Garner It says where technologies and new things are in their maturity. It's low So normally there is a first part where expectation rise This is the hype. This is where things go mainstream and where you read about them on the newspapers and everybody's talking about them Then there is a disillusionment Disillusionment you stop the high expectation don't meet reality normally. This is true also for human relationships So this is where things start to get real and Here then you have the slope on alignment and where things get mature and really produce value So something is good if it arrives here and produces way value broadly gets mature. All right Probably agile it's somewhere over here now. I would suggest Anyway, if you look at this on the top, you see things that we hear about autonomous vehicles Wearables crypto currencies. I guess we all hear about this, but if you look at what is coming You see weird things. You see near a business biochips Effective computer smart robots human augmentation. What the heck? So what is coming is a completely different words Who's going to take care of my children a computer a robot Myself becoming half a computer half a robot These scenarios are upcoming in the next few tens of years not in the next century So this is a little front and isn't it so we are devising tools that are completely changing our society and questioning our own identity and This is new right Wrong. We've done this all the way around for our history. It's normal for us today to fly over Oceans, this is not a normal human thing We have devised printing press that changed the world We have devised something you may have heard of which is called internet that changed the world. This is not new at all But this shows a very important relationship between us and the tools we devise This relationship was started by Marshall McLuhan. I know that no almost nobody knows about him here So this is very agile Focus community, please read about him He talks about media Media in his speech in his terms are not television and newspaper are anything that extend human capabilities And he says that we shape these tools these medias and then our tools shape us Shape our society shape our way of thinking and of living So in this relationship is both our fear and the solution for our future of work and When I look at this I use this diagram when I use when I look with when I work with change in human system I use this diagram and I see at the very least For layers you can imagine in as a this as a river flowing Which is the life of the human system at the bottom close to the bottom of the river things are a little slower And the surface they get they go faster. Okay, this is fluid dynamics. I'm I love fluid dynamics I'm sorry. I'm I study aerospace engineer because of fluid dynamics so when you look at change you have to look at the four of them of Course you can change you have to change tools and processes, but also competencies culture and people So how does that work? people with our You know relationships consciousness emotions and everything that is in the person Generate culture when we get together and We get together all the time from a family to an organization. We generate a culture what we do together This culture generates some competencies, which might be looking after children might be Programming software. Okay, something we are able to do And for that we devise tools and processes and this is how we do it now on the way back tools and processes Generate the need for new competencies Which in turn evolve culture and which in turn help people to evolve. This is the relationship But if you are questioning yourself about the future of work and you still keep work just watching tools and processes You will not get what is coming Because tools and processes that are coming the ones we were looking on the hype cycle have been generated by the needs of people Tens of years ago and now are reaching the surface and we see what is coming But this is coming from what we wear as humanity 30 or 40 years ago If you want to know what we are going to generate in the next future You need to look at the bottom of this diagram. You need to look at people. You need to look at what? Probably we are we are saying that we need for our future because with that will generate new competencies and then eventually new tools That now we don't even imagine okay So the thing I want to tell you and this is the key of my talk here is that it is all about people so stop Worrying too much about with which methodology which technique which tool to use and start looking Into your people including yourself and your family if you want to understand where to go Now this is exactly why we work in collaboration In this way we strive to evolve the techniques of collaboration Respecting individuality having the right pace using the right tools as well in co-creation like this and Doing these kind of things all around the world in different communities We've gathered a few insights on what seems like The desire in people for the next future war. So what is likely? Producing the next situation and next tools There is an article I published on the half news on post you have seven of these things I will just tell you three here to give you Like and highlights if you look for my Twitter, you can find the article and you have the other four so the first one complexity is reality People in the words know that they don't want an expert to go there and tell them how to Manage complexity. How many here have children? All right as is reality complex It is okay So we don't need a coach and agile codes and organize Organizational coach to tell us that complexity is reality. We want Organizations that embrace this and don't try to tell us that we can plan and control our reality This is what we want and we want tools that help us to deal with what is simply life normal life complexity Second insight work is not a place. Okay, I'm going to work is not a Movement is an intention of what I want to do working is creating value not going to a specific place So thanks to technologies. This is changing really fast of course posing new challenges But again, if you want to know how it is going to be if you don't want to know what tools will be needed to do That's correctly to do that properly People is set are telling this okay. I've been working from here I've been working from everywhere actually and most of you are there are words that need More time in present with some specific people but still you can move with them around the world This is new the world is smaller. You can do that third and last thing tools are means not goals Okay, we've been crafting tools like agile techniques Like money itself like organizations because we wanted to achieve something as means Those are not our goals So people are telling us. Let's put that back in the right place Let's put us and our goals in the center and then the means that are better for that Not the other way around including money. There is a lot going on with the relationship between mankind and money as well now What we need are new organizations that allow these things to happen and then allow the new tools to be chosen Remembering also that organization are tools themselves So what we've been working on is a new generation of adaptive and antifragile organizations So meaning that if you imagine an orchard a rigid structure as a picture We don't need a picture on the wall anymore formal system static We need a formal system. That's important for coordination But if it's static in the meanwhile things will go on in another way. So we need a movie We need an animation. We need something that can change over time that has structure But is an a dynamic structure is adaptive Moreover, we need it to be antifragile meaning that the more stressors the more change The better it gets Okay, so all over the world including ourselves. We've been working on these We think that values and principles can be put in the place of roles and titles in such Organization in these new ways of work when I say organization you can imagine a team or you can imagine government or a company or anything in between human systems We believe that engagement can replace the old attitude to command and We believe that empowerment Which means giving resources information Decisional power in the position where this needed can replace control Okay, these things are now appearing as muda as waste in the lean terms So this can enable people to get together in in what biological systems do we're not fish It's much more difficult for us. We have culture. We have egos, but we can do that We're doing that a lot of people are working to allow this new tools that allow this in the respect of Individuality and in the leveraging of the human dimension. We can do this. We can act as a dynamic body Made of people. This is what we are hardwired for in our DNA This is how we've changed the world and now we need to do this more effectively now with device the system I don't want to speak about it if you're interested liquid organization info. It's an agile governance framework Let's say platform is not prescriptive is descriptive. It is devised in order to Bring this neuro plasticity into our organizations Okay, but anyway, you want to implement this kind of things in your team on your organization You need to implement these four routines these four sets of processes So you need to strategize sorry. It's a little wider Which simply means putting things in perspective sharing the view understanding this view. Okay You need routines to perceive In complexity you need to perceive you need to it's like going with a sailboat You need to know what is are happening around you you see clouds on one side you see clips on the other You need to perceive what is going on you need to let Information flow through your organization and within your You need to test you need to run experiments this is for sure because you don't have anything granted in complexity and You need a system to implement what works and make it the new Now standard to change it tomorrow. Okay This in a word implement something that we have seen in the previous video Which is what we in our adaptive organization design. We call the un-bidextrous organization It means we need organization that with one end Execute their current business model. They execute what works and they execute it better and better More efficiently with more delighted customers, but with the other hand are testing what they are going to be tomorrow In the other hand, they have an adaptive structure and adjust strongly adjust structure that is keeping that beginner mindset every day and What works goes to design the other hand? So this is a continuous organizational improvements Framework this the basis of it all the rest are tools then each of us will test and try the tools that we prefer We believe and here I close that All this can just happen If we understand we need to evolve in three directions as human systems. We need more consciousness of operational agility ofliness we need to Understand what is value and how to take the waste out of that and I don't really care that much if that is a giant lean start up Old manufacturing lean. We need to define what is value Streamline that and understand what in that moment is just obstacling the creation that value. Okay In the other direction, so this is about collaboration in the other direction We need to open up to meaningful conversation We we need to understand we are part of an ecosystem Inside and outside and we need to let those knowledge flows come through us This is about conversations. We need to help Establish and connect meaningful conversation, which is not protecting our intellectual property our classified information in some cases. That's a good thing But today I would say one hundred one percent of the cases and usually for the sake of the customer not for our fears So this is about conversation and the only the last one is about inclusiveness. It's about co-creation We have the technology now To put everything that people think and feel into crafting a new direction into strategizing into sensing perceiving We need to learn these things. I've heard a lot of confusion in these days Hey, if you are part of an organization a team, you you simply cannot Not collaborate because that organization is done for collaboration It's like breathing and that doesn't mean you have to be in a meeting all the time. That's completely wrong It's bad collaboration and the solution for back so collaboration is not throwing the water with the baby Because the baby here is the future of humanity is learning how to do that properly when you breathe and you have to breathe You have to inhale and exhale So people need to be alone to be enabled to feel and think and then be able to bring that back to the group and work Together and there are a lot of techniques for that. We're working all over the world Please visit events that are not just agile go around open up this community to meaningful conversation Co-create with other people try that it will change everything. I swear. I promise So please just make it happen. That's all for me. Thank you I mean, I don't know if we have time for questions. Do we yes we do Eight minutes. So if there are questions of any kind, yes, please Is there a microphone? Thanks for a very nice talk studio The the diagram that you showed about the fluid dynamics the one About the laminar flow where in the flow is moving very slowly at the base that is brilliant That's that's we we are trying to understand a very very complicated system So we take a very we take it to the laboratory. We take it. We create a controlled environment We study it and now we want to go back in reality and try to understand how a river flows Maybe and there are so many more complexities involved what I'm trying to come at is Within a river itself There are some molecules of water which would be moving very very fast compared to other molecules even though they are at the same Altitude perhaps because they are flowing over a different straight up different rocks different soils or whatever similar complexities do exist with people and Has there been any effort to study the types of people the pace at which different people move? and of course the pace at which they move in horizontal direction is one thing the pace at which they affect the Vertical direction about cultures tools. That's also another thing. Yes, so there are so many more complexities involved Have there been any ways any methods anything any research done on this? Okay, thank you for the question. I think we need another hour here I didn't want to enter into the technicalities of this diagram, but just to give you some means that I'm available I don't know if there are other questions if there aren't I take all the time for this one So the thing is of course, this is a very simplified model, but there are a few interesting things So first thing is about laminar flow and turbulence in fluids and in human situations You have laminar situation in which people are aligned and then you have turbulent ones Nature interestingly enough deals with turbulence in iterations in oscillate oscillations. How do you say? Okay, they oscillate they Okay, so an underdamped system. Maybe sorry an underdamped system. There is a response to stimulus. It goes beyond the Level and it can go ahead and so here the skills are those of implementing an iterative system to Keep things aligned turbulence is a good thing It transfer energy from one scale to the other same goes in human systems But you don't want that to diverge So you want to keep that going when it's going and then bring it back to to laminarity So this is one thing how it's very long. Okay, but it's it's an agile thing It's about iterative stuff Second thing you see here There is an action when we try to change a human system. We drop a stone into that we drop a new project management tool a new Technology or something and say okay now work with that everything will change doesn't you just you just create Diversity perturbation in that moment and then it fades What you need are new habits and the habits which sometimes are brought in by tools You bring you can bring in for example a Kanban tool and you don't just bring a tool You bring the need for new competencies for new culture and eventually people start to change with the small habits So what is the smallest thing that you can do to this? That's a complexity concept the smallest thing you can do that will give the biggest impact in the future the diverging fact and That are habits. So again, this is about how you interact with such a complex system third thing You know about shoe Hari in the disease common in the agile community, right? There are three stages. So you practice the role the rules the tool as they are as your Somebody tells you this is the way do it Then you start changing that and through changing that you test its elasticity and through testing the elasticity You start making the principles behind the rules your own and doing that sometimes you make it worse Sometimes you make it better. That's okay. Sometimes you fall when you're learning to go in a bicycle And this is something where we coach should be very good at leaving that fall because otherwise they get stick stuck in the Level but then they go to the real level the real level where they just don't remember the rules They don't need the rules They can make the rules as they go because they have absorbed the principles now This is very nice and it works But this works at different velocities for different people and this is something that in collaboration We should tell the team just telling it make people aware that maybe in our team I am in the reface and another person is still in the shoe face still need to go with the rule for another one So this is about a big shift in culture and this is why I say that collaboration Cooperation conversation is so important. It's a shift from ego systems to eco systems It's a shift from in perspective from. Oh, I don't want to still doing that ritual. That's silly Okay, but have you listened to the rest of the team? Maybe you are the only one that is ready for going to another structure Maybe they need to be there for another three months. Can you allow that? That will help you as well So it's a matter of culture as well Hope I answered it's complex Yes, that was when this this one very small note. I would correct to make you talked about a group of Individuals acting like one system I think ants are a much better example We can think of ant colony as a single organism rather than an organization of individuals Well, yeah, but you can think of humanity in the same way We pass information through DNA this whole thing about our individuality is as much important as understanding the mankind is an organism and that's as Taleb says in antifragile Antifragility of the wider organ is comes at the cost of fragility of the individuals. That's nature So that happens a lot as well. And when we do this parallels It's also common in a child of swarming bees ants. Remember, we are humans We have higher level of complexity due to our culture and social relationships and to do the ego An ant doesn't have a ego as far as we know We do so we have to take that in account and we can work with that and make that work better For the person and for the group. The thing is that our collaboration techniques are really in mature. Yes, we have to learn Thank you. Thanks a lot. I think we have over


The Theatre Arts and Motion Pictures Practitioners Association of Nigeria, TAMP, has launched the TAMP Welfare Foundation aiming to support the welfare of Nigeria moving industry celebrities during times of need. The Foundation, which was launched at a grand event in Lagos, aims to address various challenges faced by actors, actresses and other professionals in the industry, including health issues, financial difficulties and life crises that may affect their livelihood and overall well-being. The Foundation also includes veteran actors and actresses as guests of honour. To see what we can do to cater for the welfare of our members, particularly the elderly ones, so today we are launching TAMP Welfare Foundation. We are starting with 200 elders, we are going to ensure them for one year, 200 elders, 60 years and above, 40 years in the industry, so we are starting with 200. That is why we say we are launching the TAMP Welfare Foundation, it's something we cannot do all alone by ourselves. We need people, well-meaning individuals, well-to-do people, corporate bodies to key in into the programme, give us support and that is why we are starting today. Thank you. We are unveiling the TAMP Welfare Foundation to lift, it's like an upliftment for our members. It's about creating a better environment for our members to work on, to strive. It's about having yearly packages for elders. It's about registering all members for a comprehensive health insurance and many more. We have been on it for a long time and God has said that the time has arrived to bring out the initiative because if you look at it from the beginning, it's a pity that if something doesn't have any good structure, it won't go right. We have good structure, we have it and we are taking it step by step and this is the right time for it. I'm very happy about it. I will mix my words. We are unveiling this, we are not promising heaven enough. We are not saying that you get luxuries from us but we want to start providing what we call necessities for people. You know, a veteran actor who has worked so hard in the industry will tell you that he or she cannot afford to feed him or herself. Healthcare facilities, these are the things we are trying to do. Don't forget to hit the notification button so you get notified about fresh news updates.


These are the glow-in-the-dog roses. They come in two pieces. They got you got a steak piece and the flower piece and The solar panel folds out and there's an on-off switch on the solar panel and turn it on and off And you've got to charge it for 24 hours. So we'll see what it looks like after it charges There's the roses the red one The green one They didn't I only had them charging for about six hours So I think they probably get a little bit brighter than that


On March 15, 2016, Li Sedol, an 18-time world champion of the ancient Chinese board game of Go, was defeated by AlphaGo, a computer program. The event is one of the most historic in the field of artificial intelligence since Deep Blue bested chess grandmaster Gary Kasparov in the late 1990s. The difference is that AlphaGo may represent an even bigger turning point in AI research. As outlined in a recently published paper, AlphaGo and programs like it possess the computational architecture to handle complex problems that lie well beyond the game table. Invented over 2,500 years ago in China, Go is a game in which two players battle for territory on a gridded board by strategically laying black or white stones. While the rules that govern play are simple, Go is vastly more complex than chess. In chess, the total number of possible games is on the order of 10 to the 100th power, but the number for Go is 10 to the 700th power. That level of complexity is much too high to use the same computational tricks used to make Deep Blue a chess master.  A program that could learn to play Go well would in some ways approach the complexity of human intelligence. Perhaps surprisingly, the team that developed AlphaGo, Google DeepMind, did not create any new concepts or methods of artificial intelligence. Instead, the secret to AlphaGo's success is how it integrates and implements recent data-driven AI approaches, especially deep learning. This branch of AI deals with learning how to recognize highly abstract patterns in unlabeled datasets, mainly by using computational networks that mirror how the brain processes information. According to the authors, this kind of neural network approach can be considered a specific example of a more general technique called ACP, which is short for Artificial Systems, Computational Experiments, and Parallel Execution. ACP effectively reduces the game space AlphaGo must search through to decide on a move. Instead of wading through all possible moves it can make, AlphaGo is trained to recognize game patterns by continuously playing games against itself and examining its gameplay history. In effect, AlphaGo gets a feel for what Go players call the shape of a game. Developing this kind of intuition is what the authors believe can also advance the management of complex engineering, economic, and social problems. The idea is that any decision problem that can be solved by a human being can also be solved by any AlphaGo-like program. This proposal, which the authors advance as the AlphaGo thesis, is a decision-oriented version of the Church Touring thesis, which states that a simple computer called a touring machine can compute all functions computable by humans. AlphaGo's recent triumph therefore holds a lot of promise for the field of artificial intelligence. Advances in deep learning that extend beyond the game of Go will likely be the result of decades more research. AlphaGo is a good start.


What's going on everyone welcome to a spoiler debate about Suspiria This is the 2018 version of Luca Guadagnino's new reimagining of Suspiria I got some great guests here and we're all breaking this down and going into teams because two of us think this is a masterpiece Me being one of the ones and the other two either were kind of just thinking. Oh, yeah, it was fine or absolutely hated it so Let's go to ladies first Casey. How are you doing today? Let's introduce you Yeah, hello. I'm not doing too badly. I love waking up at 6 a.m. to debate movies with people. It's great I just kidding Yeah, no, so you want me to tell you how I feel about Suspiria? Yeah, just a little bit. Yeah, okay, so So I guess I saw it the other day. I hadn't seen the original one first. So I went and saw this version Yeah, I Spoiler alert. I'm on the negative side today I was a little bit underwhelmed by it I think there are still parts that were enjoyable and were better than others but ultimately I watched the old one yesterday And preferred that a lot more so more on that to come All right, awesome awesome awesome and Going over to here. We got 3c films here this man does all these ending explain videos So he might be having a little bit more notable stuff to say or different particular stuff How you doing man introduce? Hey, thank you Zach Well, yes, my name is Chris with 3c Films. I got to see spirit about a week ago now And I think it's gonna be the most overrated movie of the century not 2018 of the century. I I Do have great things to say about it. I do find some things masterful But overall I really don't get it and I swear I keep saying this I think my theater showed me the wrong movie because everyone just loves this thing Hey, hey, maybe maybe so maybe your theater showed you like smallfoot or something Then we're going over the man who's on my team that is griff. How you doing man? Hey, how's it going man? Glad to be back over here. I don't know when the last time I was over here was anyways I love this film. I made a video called why Suspiria is my favorite film of 2018. So there yeah, I Love it. It's great. All right. So there we go guys And obviously I'm on the part where I this film I at first I walked down. I really liked it I really liked about was that the loving character where they move my friend kept talking about that me and griff talked about I was like, you know what fuck like I don't have like I have one issue with the movie really and that's it I think it's a lot of issues with what a lot of people are gonna have and we'll talk about it But I really love this movie. It's not my favorite of year, but it is my top five for sure But I loved it. So how we're gonna start this We gave our reaction we're gonna go into the acting we're gonna go into the story We're gonna go in the direction the length in the ending first off We're gonna be talking about the acting and each one we're just gonna pretty much spend around three to five minutes on nothing huge Nothing much and each person's gonna kind of get their one share to say about it Well, are you a bit if we feel different about something and if we don't then hey whatever again This is like a spoiler discussion slash spoiler review Debating and then of course we want people down the comments to kind of decide who was in the right and who was in the wrong This should be fun unless some asshat comments down below and says this was garbage and didn't understand it Sorry, Chris. I that may be you And I'm gonna throw it over to 3c films you're the one who Chris you didn't like it as much as us So why you and Casey together? What was the acting like for you? Did you like it? Did you not know? The acting Amazing above average for sure and I mentioned you know Dakota Johnson my first introduction was a 50 shades of gray Now I have a partner who loves the movie and has read the books and all that so I always get dragged along to see those movies And I hated her in those films in this movie redeems herself completely. I fell in love with her I told her she's even sexier in this movie than she is in 50. Yeah, yeah very much Till the Sweden stole the show in all her scenes like I said, this is spoiler-filled one character in particular I'm sure we'll talk about later, but her character alone madam Blanc Really great work there Chloe Moretz. I did wish she was in it more But the stuff she was in for a bit while it was a little weird I also enjoyed so acting for me was was great and that was not a negative to the film at all Yeah, no, I'm with you on that and then Casey. What about you? What was the acting? Was anyone weak in particular for you? I mean I guess Dakota Johnson's definitely come very far from the 50 shades movies She's definitely getting there like a combination of a few of the things that she's been doing recently and she definitely Was good in this one. I just don't feel like she's there yet for me. I think she still has a little bit of Still has a little bit of oomph. I think that's mostly for me because In this film, she wasn't really the most emotional and so I feel like she didn't have She didn't need the biggest range for this film and I think that's where it falls flat a bit Everyone else was amazing though. They all did I yeah thought they all did genuinely wonderful jobs And so did she it's just not perfect. So yeah and griff, of course Yeah, I kind of going off that I would say that the character written didn't require her to be the most Emotive person although when she was presented with scenarios that were like, you know kind of taxing specifically the dream stuff She definitely brought her a game. She came to the table to play. I mean, she was great in bad times of the L Royale, I think she was even better in this she did a lot more physical acting Dancing especially now. I mean she she was a dancer for 12 years So it kind of helped her out in the role, but she hadn't danced in some time And so for like the two years leading up to filming this She was like hardcore training To be a dancer She could perform the scenarios and she was like she was that good And I don't think that physical side of the performance should be overlooked because of how Effective it is in a lot of the films subtext. So yeah, she was phenomenal I absolutely loved her by far my favorite performance of hers And I would say definitely her best by a long shot. Um, it's really turned She has really turned her career around especially because I Didn't think she was great I mean no one really thinks she's great in the 50 shades stuff But just seeing where she was like a very small role in the social network to now being like the main central figure In the remake of Suspiria, it's kind of amazing. You guys already touched on it. So the Swinton is phenomenal I actually even even though there are parts to the The male character she plays that I don't like I don't think her performance is the issue with that It's more so the fact that she was just kind of her casting is a little You can tell it's her when she starts talking and it takes you out of it a little bit But that being said her performance as Dr. Clemper is excellent even through all the prosthetics like she becomes this old man It's it's phenomenal, but her is mad on Blanc is obviously like the prime role for her and like Her dynamic with Dakota Johnson. I think is phenomenal as well. So yeah Oh, also, I just quickly want to give a shout out to Mia goth who I actually love she may have Yeah, truthfully, she may have actually been my second favorite behind Dakota Johnson in the film personally I think Mia Gotham was my favorite in the whole film. Yeah, she just I think for her personally I think she had the most range in the whole film Emotional wise and just every single thing that you got from her in general Mia goth is she was in a cure for wellness Which I I a cure for wellness. I've come around a little bit more on over the past year. I've liked it You didn't like that initially. I liked it. I didn't love it though And I started to come around on it more where I've more intrigued to kind of go back and rewatch it But Mia goth was one of the best parts about that film and again I didn't know she was here an actress who I have actually I Thought for the small amount of screen time who's in here. We haven't mentioned. He is Chloe Grace Moretz I thought she was excellent in those small tidbits that she was in here. Yeah, yeah Also, did you guys know Tilda Swinton played Helena Marcos in here, too? Yeah? Yeah Anybody could have played that though. Yeah, anyone could have played her and so I was just looking it up right now Yeah, and that's yeah, she must like prosthetics I First of all, I like I think the Depiction of Helena Marcos was fine Everything was fine about that except for the fact that she had like stereotypical old lady glasses on that there was a creative choice I was just like I kind of laughed a little bit at and this is coming from someone who loves the film But that was just kind of like What are we doing here? That is like really just not yeah That The lady who played Susie's mom Dakota Johnson's mom was actually death at the end too. Yes So I like I like what Luca Guadagnino did there and I again I guess now we can go into the story because that's what we're talking about next is the story for here and I Think that the main thing we should talk about is this big subplot with Dr. Clemper It took me out of it definitely I wish I wish I did not know till this one too was playing that character though, and I wonder if that would have helped I knew something still would have been off, but I don't know Yeah, see I didn't know that she I had no idea until after I'd watched it so No, it didn't bug me. I just thought it was a dude You know, yeah, I had no idea and then I was yeah, I was yeah looking into it afterwards and I was like Okay, so yeah, it didn't bother me and it didn't take me out of it as much as Like yeah, probably other people Yeah, it's still I don't know I mean it was a necessary part of the story I think because it represented a lot of things but at the same time it was one of the slower part Well, the whole movie was like Um, but yeah, yeah, I think we're all loving and hating it for different reasons because I I'm gonna say the and I can never pronounce it Clempler, how do you say Clemper? Yeah, I got a lot of hate for calling him Kempler, but anyway, yeah, let's see them pronounce it Yeah, exactly, but anyways, he was the saving grace for me in the movie He's the only reason I stayed in my butt for the whole two and a half hours. Yes. I I'd love that performance I loved everything and especially that ending scene where they're having that conversation It was the best and I mean I knew ahead of time going in that that was still to swim and at moments Yes, I could hear her voice in it But overall I feel she created a character and I was captivated by it His story is a motion behind it the whole cottage him going back to it Then thinking his wife did survive and came back and then that was taken away from all that stuff I love that it's I guess more traditional horror for me in that sense or a psychological aspect and affecting that character But to me that's what I really enjoyed and was the saving part for me in the movie Yeah, well, I'll piggyback off that because I loved his character I just the fact that Tilda Swinton was playing the character I think I don't know if like me knowing that would have like not knowing that beforehand would have To do effect me. I don't know. Yeah. I mean, that's just one of those It maybe would have maybe it wouldn't have I mean his voice was definitely very high-pitched for a man Even an older man, let's be honest But that being said Yeah, his arc was riveting because he was the link to the outside world He was he was necessary for what was going on and so when he, you know Interacts with the the coming of witches and whatnot And seeing how what they're going through is Paralleling what's going on in the outside world and whatnot Him being that link I think was super integral And the revelation that happens at the end where we find out his wife died And how she died was totally heartbreaking and yeah Just like going back and thinking on a little bit more. His arc is So crucial to the film. I mean, it's like the last shot of the movie so clearly it is Well, it's one of the first characters you meet to in the film. Absolutely. Yeah And and I think that enhances the story is because at first I When I walked out of the film again, I really liked it But I wasn't in love with it yet and as I thought about it more I was like, oh, well, did you really need the old man and then I think about I'm like But if you would have taken it out I think it would have taken out a lot of the essential emotion because in a sense I don't care about Kota Johnson's character here I mean like I do but not as emotional as I was with dr. Joseph like in there You invested with this character because you want to see where this ends up going with him And how much he cares about Chloe Grace Marat's character Patricia and where she ends up going. Yeah But what were you saying? Oh, I was just say I would also say that if you take his character out and you're trying to make the connections to War torn but war torn Berlin It would almost come off as just like even more jarring than it already does like they would they would cut to like news segments Every now and then and then interweave it into what's going on with the dr. Clemper and To some that might be jarring for me it worked It was just kind of like a transition outwards you take his character out of that and it almost becomes just like a WTF Like like what is the point of this and it's almost a little too on the nose And I think it was smarter than you know to add that in there. Yeah, yeah Expending more expending more on the story How did you guys feel about the the way it was told because it wasn't really a linear store? Story for me it is more towards the second and final act, but it is told in patches So we're getting parts in the background. I mean flashbacks and then yeah forward in the modern time To me I could have done without that I think I've actually would have preferred a linear story time That just felt more to me like the film trying to be confusing trying to be like I'm giving you pieces of the puzzle And then at the end you got to put it together. Yeah, I wouldn't say that it was non-linear to be honest I mean there were flashbacks all of the flashbacks were really pertaining to You know backstory bits of information for the character especially like Tilda Swinton And then we learn a little bit about Dakota Johnson. None of it felt like it was really Detracting from the main story. It would just kind of be like, okay So now they're asleep and now they're having these dreams and shit is going on and that's kind of like where we're getting These little like glimpses at their backstory, but for the most part, I I thought it was pretty traditionally Straightforward and the ambiguous nature of it at least for me was in line with like, you know The original Sysmeria and even though this film is very much not like the original one It does like invoke it at times and like invokes the same feeling you get and so That yeah, I mean that that didn't really bother me. I was kind of expecting that going in. Yeah Yeah Yeah, I Actually preferred the way it was to I again, I'm on Griff's side. I'm not just because he's on my team and all but Like for me like films that are not in chronological order is like beautiful boy this year I don't know if you guys have seen that yet, but that goes out of chronological order. I feel like it was needed but Sysmeria I Saw this movie and again. I like even though like when I came out again I really liked it, but I was just sitting there. I was like, what would I have changed and I just tell myself I'm nothing like there's nothing that I could have literally gone to the so much To make it more fitting for me I think this is very much a film that you're either gonna love or your hate or maybe kind of be in the middle But I don't think it's a film that in general It's so different and it's unique that I think if someone does see it It's the unique experience is what mesmerizes you overall watching the movie Well, it's kind of like um, you're right because it's kind of like when when I saw the neon demon I love the neon demon. I know some people who think that movie is absolute trash and I completely get it But it's just one of those things where it's like it's so hypnotic and I'm like I love the subtext of it Even though the on deems a little bit more on the nose than this one It's just one of those things where it's like stylistically you either buy into what's going on or you don't and no one is right Or wrong in the situation. It's just like a personal preference. Yeah Yeah, I like the story. I think the story was well told. I think yeah again I like how would you have wanted it Chris or Casey like would you want to change the story in a new different way? Would you rather them focus on a different character more or not? Honestly, my favorite part of the movie was like the story Not not in Maybe not so much the story, but the things that are actually Represented by the story. I think it was definitely for me I feel like my biggest issue with it is that I feel like it dragged a lot like there wasn't a lot happening And it just kind of went on and on and on and I got a bit frustrated by that as I always do because I have a very short attention span but the story like the like the representation of the witches and Comparing which covens to dance troops is so like it's perfect Although one thing that I would say is that dance troops They're not always that friendly to each other But anyway, but the point is is that like Combining like that competitiveness with also the idea of having to work together because a dance is not a dance I mean, it can be a dance with one person, but it doesn't work unless there are Lots of moving parts and that's the same with witchcraft It's the same when it like comes back to feminism because I feel like there's a lot of that in this film as well basically I was like I've quite made my video about this yet. I'm gonna talk about this but basically it comes down to the fact that in dance troops in witchcraft and in feminism women or people are basically Taught to be competitive with each other particularly with girls because they're constantly fighting for a single place in a film a single place in a writer's room a single place in a boardroom theoretically and So it's the same in dance troops because they're constantly fighting each other out for that protagonist role And it's the same with witchcraft as well like Witches just they want to you know, they want to be the best but at the same time Which is work better in groups They work better in threes like that's something that we see in Shakespeare and charmed in Sabrina this week So it's all of it working together to me. That was my favorite part of it the story itself and all of the things that it represented even The war stuff are not as knowledgeable about that as I am about witches because I love witches But you know, I that was the strongest part for me. It's the other areas that it fell down. So Okay With me on what I would change or anything. I haven't mentioned this Yeah, when talking about the movie, but I honestly feel like it's two movies here I'd love to see someone break down how much was given to the Dr. Kempler story and how much was given to the dance company story because I honestly feel like both were given an Equal amount of time and I would I would call them both subplots that complete a movie together And I think that's the detriment to me that that really hurt me It's either focus on doctor trying to figure this missing person case out then discovering its witches Or make it all about the witches and then put in elements of dr. Kempler I think for you guys who really loved it You guys were looking at it from the witches point of view and and then doctor was just like a little Seasoning on top of the movie to me where I was watching it with dr. Kempler was the main focus and the witches was a seasoning Yeah I was more with the witches and I saw Kempler as just a side plot Yeah, I would honestly say that I bet you if you were bringing it down to me because they cut in between a lot You get like five minutes or like ten minutes of the dancing and then you go to dr. Kempler and he's doing something I honestly feel like they were given equal amounts of time to throw out their story Yeah, yeah, I don't know I I don't I Don't I think both are very Integral with each other that like it's not a matter of me focusing on one or the other because it's like that's the story if Like what what Kempler is doing his investigation is directly tied into what's going on Yeah, which is coming correct His subplot is finding out what happened to his wife and that is very much a subplot because that's not really The focus of the film at all. It's almost to though He's looking for Chloe more ads because I'm assuming they've grown a relationship because it seems like they're familiar with each other At the beginning of the movie like she's been going to him for some therapy and then I don't know where it turns to him Going looking for his wife. Well, I would I would say that the reason it turns to that is because He's trying to find her because he's compelled by not being able to find his wife And so there's like there's a direct correlation there But um, he doesn't want to let another person down exactly but what I'm saying that so in your mind griff Who who is who are the if you had to rank the top three main characters? Who would they be? Of course Dakota Johnson would be number one. I understand that. Yeah, it would be Dakota Johnson Tilda Swinton and Clemperer and then if I could go one more I'd say Mia got because she's a section in there where she's Like but she's kind of in tandem with Clemperer when they start working together. She starts discovering what's going on She's kind of like the she's kind of like the audience in that regard. Can I be honest? I would actually so I'm pretty much in there I would move Tilda under Mia got I've moved me a goth up one and till the next because Again, like once they start working I don't like I still see is the which was like the main like the whole dance coven and all that was still The main part of the story. This is overall just like a gorgeous Gory mess of a movie and for me in the most beautiful of ways it is in a sense This story like just mesmerized me where I was just enhanced I wanted the film to be longer to be honest. I could have Yeah, I could have sat there and watched more too. I think it was just like the It was a very hypnotic and methodical pace which I get not being not like, you know having it Work for you like I everyone has different attention spans and not that but for whatever reason I'm Like it was kind of just like the way he was moving the camera and like the fact that he was taking his time and the fact that You know while he was going through some of this stuff that was a little ambiguous You were like trying to figure it out So he's almost like giving you time to contemplate what's going on And so I think it justifies that two and a half hour long run time Which way not this kind of moves us into our next spot Which is about the directing by Luca Guadagnino now call me by your name I would see that before I did my top 10 list that most likely probably would have been my favorite film of last year I loved call me by your name. I think it is fantastic and the slow pace the long shot Like everything Guadagnino did in that film was excellent now with Suspiria I think his director stamp and his staple is still on this movie But he directed it so differently that just shows how wide of a director he is now I've never seen any of his other films. I'll be flattered honest I've seen call me by your name and I've seen this film. I maybe I've seen other ones I just don't know what else he's really directed, but He I think what he does with Suspiria. Oh, okay. I'm looking at now. I've seen the bigger splash, too I mean, but I really do think call me by your name Suspiria are like Fantastic in so many different ways, but they're so different and for his essence Interesting you say that because I would say they're more similar than you would think Yeah, okay. Yeah, like aesthetically they're both very dreamlike he uses I mean granted camera movements differ depending on what you're trying to shoot But like you you compare the two he has a very fluid camera movement in both films Both films are hypnotic in different ways. This is very much like a unsettling like mysterious kind of way and the other one is like Remembering a summer you had with an old lover, which is legitimately what that is and if you look at the color palettes both color palettes are Similar to it to an extent like one is just very cold and dreary, but it still has that like Matte tones like it has it still has those matte tones to it where it's like call me by your name is very warm But it also feels kind of muted and Matt I love that one, you know chose this Vibrant palette of colors like getting away from the colorful stuff of the original but going more dreary in this one Yeah, that was such a great choice because I Okay, I watched the first one today. I thought it was fine like I liked it But I didn't love it and I do feel personally that film felt longer than this one did for me I agree on such a fundum. I disagree on such a fundamental level I feel I just didn't care what was going on in that original one, but this one I cared and I won't deny that the original isn't like great directed and stuff. I just I'm more in love with this one now like I would marry this movie like why not, you know Most gorgeous older women in Hollywood Alright calm down there a little bit going back to the color palette real quick before I send over to Casey going back to that You're right And it is effective because it directly ties into what's going on in the setting and whatnot It's time back to World War two Cold War or I'm sorry post World War two Cold War Berlin and the like unrelenting nature and turmoil of that time period and I highly recommend everyone go watch the Interview Guadagnino did with the build series. He really just like dulls deep into his thoughts about doing that Where he was talking about, you know, the original Suspiria being able to take place legitimately anywhere It kind of has that timeless feel to it this one He purposely says during the time period because there is a direct correlation to the outside world going on I know I said that a million times, but it's especially true in terms of the color palette and how it's used In tandem with the time period so The directing while I'll agree. He's a great director for sure. I love call me by your name I really enjoyed that movie and while I do appreciate the color palette He chose to bring in more dull and cold to go in with the war. I I felt he was mixing it up too much I felt like he was trying to put his own stamp do what he does best And then he was trying to attribute to things done in the original in 1977 because there are moments where like and I'm here It's a pretty basic with his directing that from the one of the 1977 I don't know his name and even if I did I wouldn't be able to Yeah him He does these these sort of camera movements that are similar to what you would see on the office when someone makes a quick way and then That happened in this movie that I was like what the heck is this like I didn't appreciate that and it to me It's like I had to have known or I had to be a critic or I had to be an extreme film But to appreciate that other than that Also the ending to me will not really the ending It's the word death comes out and it goes red and then it's stop motion or whatever you want to call that Yeah, I didn't appreciate that either to me I think that was more to hide the the budget restraint to hide because I'm feeling this movie was done on a low budget Not how much do you think it was I know how much it was 25 30 I Know it's more than that Okay, so that relatively that's pretty low actually I would say and and it showed with some of the prosthetics I still appreciate they did I would not have wanted them to use CGI, but when it was time because it's exploding But that the exploding heads I thought that would be awesome everything But the way they shot it it ruined it for me and it went by too slow and it killed any sort of like well This is awesome. This is exceptional to me It's like heads are just exploding so slowly and I'm just there like yeah, this is like you this is act 74 by now Is this not moving that over? It's like the sequel to Kingsman like they all eat the thing at the same time and like they're all exploding Like oh, maybe but there's no rainbows So I guess we'll kind of skip ahead to the other that was so beautiful Yeah, so just firstly quickly in terms of comparing call me by your name to this one I feel like there's a lot of similarities in like so Call me by your name creeped me out and I didn't creep me out in like, you know No Okay, no, no, no, no, no, okay, let me re let me just take a step back. Okay, so I wasn't yeah, I wasn't I wasn't creeped out by the content I was creeped out by the way it was portrayed so that which made me feel really uncomfortable about watching it because I was like This is not a concept that unsettles me. Why do I feel so weird about this and it was I think it was like It was really subtle. So what I feel like he does is he makes things really intimate. So they're never like Sexual but they're intimate and I don't like that. It freaks me out So it I think that was in call me by your name He did that and then he did the same thing in Suspiria there's all these like sighs and whispers and they're all like really close like they get in the same bed together But nothing happens and like it just it was creepy But where it did where it creeped me out and call me by your name It it was supposed like the movie supposed to be creepy with Suspiria So I felt that that worked a bit better here than it didn't call me by your name But yeah Direction I think you're right on that but it actually works more for this for me and I do Call me by your name. Is there is that feeling? Oh Dread and I like when directors can actually in place that into a film like I just thought boy erased. Yeah, yeah Directed by Egerton and he made the gift and he did the same thing that he did in the gift He put him to boy erase which you wouldn't expect him boy erase But it's in there for a lot of the scenes and I think that call me by your name in a sense Like Griffin was saying kind of making me now think back when you're like, yeah It kind of is a little bit similar in some aspects, but Things about Suspiria is that there's so much to annals and I'm not even trying I keep messing up that word The whole like like abuse of that in a sense like the coven in what they would go through I there's so much that you can get out of this movie. There's tons more in yeah What we go to that story I feel like as this film goes on and More people get to see it. I have to say that I do think Like even though I think some people do have issues with certain subplots.  I I got like the whole like mother I got the whole Global warming climate change thing like it was literally just this perfect Microcosm of like all the things that I grew up knowing and believing and understanding So when I left that I was like yes like everything and all my friends were like And I was like no this is great and then when I watched Suspiria I was like yeah, it's got a lot of these aspects that I really had to like delve into and be like Oh, okay, I get this now, so I think that's I don't think they're similar They're made for similar reasons and made in similar ways and similar genres, but they are completely different. Yeah I mean, that's where I fell out of it. So yeah, yeah I guess I guess I kind of give the comparison you're drawing where This film was just just way more in my opinion tastefully and subtly done where it's like something like mother Literally beats you over the head with the same mess over and over again, and it was obnoxious in my opinion So like and you're right I completely got what Aronofsky was going for in mother and he made his point clear Yeah, in this one. I kind of like having to search for everything that Guadagnino was going for like I understand like a good majority of like the main things But it's like when you go back on those like repeat viewing you'll see You know certain things Certain things will pop like I'll use the analogy because they're like trying to uncover the secrets of the the coven When you're like like rewatching the film again You'll like unlock the secrets of like other stuff You may not have noticed like a camera movement or something like that and I Like being able to pick that up on repeat viewings as opposed to something like mother where it's just like it's it's very loud Like there's an excellent. There's an excellent point after mother for Yeah, yeah, I'm still trying to figure out what that fart cloud was the colorful thing I don't I don't know what that is Hey, no, no, no, do you watch do you watch Rick and Morty? Yeah, that's that's what I thought I don't know if you to watch Seen enough. Are you talking about when she was sleeping in the little thing? Yeah? Thing it was just it was just basically supposed to be like the The dreams that the witches were kind of like putting inside of her head and that's the thing like so That's where it made it not confusing. It was kind of cool when it was revealed She was mothers of spirit, but the dream she was having were her own So it wasn't like they were implanting it because that was her childhood. That was how she was I think some of them were her own and some of them were Met on blonks. Okay. There were sequences in there. Where is it dude? I'll give you that those sequences were were totally vague and super like Because somewhere like a dirt worm the other one was like a girl getting a hand on the iron. Yeah, yeah Okay, yeah, the hand on the iron that was that was childhood. Yeah, that was that was her childhood I was again. I've only seen the film one time. So it's a film that it does need repeat viewings. I think maybe I But you know what? I mean like some people will want that repeat viewings for that And that's where I kind of get to this to end this whole thing We got to talk about two things one and we all appreciate the score. Come on now This is Tom was amazing get every 90s alt rock band artists who score films I swear to God they are the best not and when you said David Dave roll and you're I Am like can you just like I love the Foo Fighters? They're okay, man of all time Just have Dave growl do this thing just real quickly. So some dude commented and he was like so actually Dave girl played drums For like one of the tenacious D soundtracks. So technically he Yeah, which is so funny, but anyways, yeah, well, excuse me just Speaking of the soundtrack. I was watching the new one yesterday the old one yesterday And I was just like listening to it and there's this like saying It sounds like the footloose song it's like And it's like I was watching it and I was like, oh, this is this is too much But I I prefer the old soundtrack except for that Because I don't agree Now that they're both so good and so Yeah, that's the thing though is that like so I was gonna say this before but a lot of my Issues with like the technical stuff for this film is that a lot of people are just comparing it against the old one and saying it's like Oh, it's completely different to the old one and in my mind. I'm like if you're standing out Against something else. Is it really standing out because really it's just different, you know, and so that I don't know It's not bad. I just it's not, you know That's just an argument. I have but anyway, no, I get it. I get it. Um, but I love the score I think it was just so different, but let's talk about the length. This is the last part. Oh, I Thought the length was needed and I wanted more of it I Every time after it said third act. I was like, this is probably the last one. Oh fifth act Okay, that was the last one epilogue shoot myself that Imagine that but knowing that they're seven. I was like, oh we're up to number two and then I was like See and can I be honest I think it helped the story but it seemed them I actually don't like when movies do that I think it helped this time. It's sometimes when it's like or anything all in a genre But see like I'm playing Red Dead Redemption right now They do chapter one chapter two chapter three and I know how many chapters are in this and I'm just trying to beat the game at this Point I'm like, okay on chapter six. Come on now. I know there's two more when we get into the next one I kind of look at it like you're reaching checkpoints. Yeah, it was kind of like, okay Something different's gonna happen now It was it was a weird mental game that I enjoyed but also like it would be one of those things where it's like Wow, we've been in this like chapter for a while now and then it would switch another one. I'm like, oh cool So I liked the the six-act structure. I thought it was a really Interesting way of breaking. I like the peach one. I thought that was a funny little nod to When I saw the peach I was thinking of the peach scene from call me by your name I'm sorry, but I thought that's the first thing that you want to see a peach now. I'm just like Yeah, that's the one thing I don't like about call me by your name So many love it. It's like the weird thing. I'm just like I Want to meet one of those people and do that with them and then be like, is this I Watch call me by your name with like a friend like a male friend and so I just like when in there I was like watching it and I was like, I feel really uncomfortable by this movie And then we got to that scene and like we both just kind of like Parents should watch that with their kids that just that song. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, like sit them down be like son. Do you ever do this? Speaking of what what is the the most awkward film you've ever watched with your parents because we were at case Now we're having that conversation like a couple days Airplane.   Oh To me, I don't know if you guys ever seen it. It's not that well known. It's called spread with Ashton Kutcher Yep. I okay, but yeah Yeah, that was just like a red box rent because my mom loves ashton kutcher So I was like, all right sure whatever I haven't heard anything about this and we saw it It's just him sleeping with rich women to you know live a good life and too much ashton kutcher Hey, what about Freddy got fingered?  I just love that movie.   Hello, see every time but like going to Chris. He's mentioned the office now. Can we get a video of? John Krasinski and like him playing Jim again watching Suspiria. Can someone please make this Something happens to Suspiria just zooms on him. He's like Okay, but other other than Bram Stoker's Dracula hands down girl the dragon tattoo that rape scene is not fun that is just That is so messed up. Yeah Rape's not a good thing in movies.  I'm just like No, no dad. No, so Suspiria This is the film you watch with your parents. This is definitely the best film of the year You definitely want to watch it with your parents your family your grandma everyone all together experience something different together and I know luka guanino is talking about doing a prequel to this movie And so go please please go support this movie so we can get a prequel of this about because do you guys know what he was talking about the prequel Uh, yeah, he's mad oblong or marcos. He said yeah I want it. I want it. I personally would like to see him Do a sequel kind of tackling like the the witches trilogy thing three months Yeah, I have a theory that yeah, I have a theory that madame blanc has actually Been in contact with uh the mother of tears because in that scene where one of the girls is about to go into the mirror room She's just tearing up and and those aren't regular tears. Those are like jelly tears. I don't know You're watching that so I feel like that's a hint I think he will and I think luka because I mean everyone I don't know if you guys know david gordon green was supposed to direct this move. Yeah Yeah, he will Guadagnino took it over and I Right, I think it's just his passion for it Well, I mean like he said like he wanted to make his version ever since he was like 13 or 14 and I remember yeah Like he I don't know if he necessarily wanted gordon green to direct it. It was that like he some he like approached Um, like once guadagnino got the rights. He like approached gordon green and asked if he wanted to be involved with it I don't know whether that was like just screenwriting or yeah, whether he wanted him to direct it But I found that like really ironic because he has like halloween in theaters right now. So yeah Yeah So I don't know But I think this is where we're going to leave our final thoughts on this. We've discussed it in spoilers We're going to go through it again kasey Have your has your mind changed at all. Do you still feel the same? It has we convinced her This is the mouth of kasey. Um, I'm out. Uh, I've drained the positive side. No I think ultimately I was always pretty on board with the story and the way that that was told particularly just like so Kajanik who wrote it basically just he was like bored with the original story and he was like I've got to make this about the witches and about their dynamic and the matriarchy and all those sorts of things So it's very on board. I want to join them. I want to join the witch color You can't because you're a man So I can't I'm just kidding. I don't know. Um, anyway, um, yeah So I was always really on board with that. Um in terms of the other stuff. I still feel like a drag I still feel like there was Yeah, a lot of Yeah, no, I'm still on the fence basically. So no, I'm about the same All right, chris. What about you? Me opinion's not gonna change at all. Never will if it does I have been cloned but Uh, but honestly, no, I mean, I'm I'm exaggerating my point. This was not a horrible movie It was not trash. It was in garbage. It just wasn't for me. I just didn't have any emotional connection to it other than the dr. Kempler story But overall it was just a movie I watched once and I don't think I'll ever get back to To watching if you loved it. I'm happy for you. That's great. I don't want to take anything away from you It's just it was not for me. Can I contend real fast for a move on? Can we please do a live watch along to sysperia when it comes out on blu-ray? Yes Or that I will We need to have someone that hasn't watched it though. Yeah, okay And then just have someone that hasn't so that we can just be like, okay Yeah, that's cool. We'll make someone be the middle person. So make sure to tell one person you know not to watch it Yeah, that won't be all right. That'll be fun. That'll be fun.  Yeah, I really appreciate that that was I don't usually do that So the fact that I felt compelled to do that shows you how much I like got out of this and how much like I enjoy Just like reflecting upon it. So It's a stereo reply to your tweet as well. I know that That's pretty cool that goals right there. Um, but anyways, yeah I mean like I don't want to take up too much If you honestly if you do want to hear my thoughts go check out my video because I I basically lay them all out there but um Yeah, I if you're even remotely considering to go like Wanted to go see this film. I would just say go see it. You may hate it. You may like it But at least you'll experience something different. So You know and I agree I think that's where I think if it's a hard film in a sense to recommend But at the same time like if you're even intrigued to see it, why are you watching this? Why why are you watching? Because that's the thing everyone's going to get something different out of this film I I like griff. Do you like if someone comes in and says I hate this movie Do you understand like that's how I am like I totally get it if you hate this film I mean, I would ask why because I I mean, I'm just genuinely curious like I I mean I completely acknowledge. It's not a film for everyone Um, but if they say it's like I had some guy comment on my video and he was like this movie was trash It was a poorly made film and I'm like, well, that's not true You just it just didn't sit right with you which that's fine But don't blame it on the filmmaking because the filmmaking is is like Top-notch that's this like expert level filmmaking Oh, yeah, like I loved it and I thought the the filmmaking was very smart But I think that's where we can cut this out guys. It's up to you guys to decide who won this debate Was it in griff or was it chris and kasey? I feel like we were all ended up on the same side somehow Yeah, I feel like Did we even my question is did we even really say that many spoilers? Oh Was it like a couple things but everyone dies at the end and decode johnson is Mother's suspirions. He's how yeah, and someone pays.  That's just witches in the past. I feel like that's yeah The poster does look like a vagina though. Well, I mean her her chest. That was so purpose. That was done completely Yeah Yeah, you want to hear a hot take bro? Let me tell you Suspiria is better than anything american horror stories ever made. They have their own american horror story theme songs in there when it's going through the different imagery This is better than any american horror story ever made. I mean considering the fact that i've never watched american horror stories I'll believe it. Sure These guys so kasey, where can they find you at? Uh, so my name is kasey causley and it's kasey causley everywhere on uh, twitter Um, what's my twitter name? Oh the old woman is a scroll. Um, that's my like screen name for twitter at the moment Uh, but yeah, so kasey causley everywhere Awesome. Awesome. Make sure you go subscribe to her. She's doing the thousand and one challenge, right? Is that is that Thousand one movie. Yeah, uh, yeah project. Yeah. Yeah, go check it out. It's really cool I wish I had the dedication to that, but I don't uh Chris from 3c films working. They find you man Yeah, you can find me at youtube.com slash 3c films and on twitter at 3c film review Please I I'm much nicer to other movies than this Yeah, no, no, no, seriously this guy gave night school a better rating I did Short jokes, okay. I wish you'd never told me that I really wish Different things though different things I will say I will say this is a better movie overall The suspiria the night school. I just enjoyed night school Yeah, but it was nice having you If you guys want to know and if you're confused by an ending to a movie He's got you you want to know some Easter eggs go check it out because I don't know how you do it Like you can watch one movie and pick all these things out and I'm like man I can look at that in the theater. That's what I do little notepad in the theater. See that's what I I was distracting for me. Yeah, I've tried it. I tried doing that for the greatest show man I just threw my notebook on the floor I Shall we go into another debate about the current greatest showman No, I'm gonna talk about that. But uh, yeah, man Uh, yeah, I was actually about to compliment chris on his rating scale I don't even think I want to do that anymore after that Uh, he legitimately has the best rating scale ever. He like breaks everything down so nicely I love it um Yeah, anyways, uh, so yeah, you guys can follow There's a reason I I'm making kc uncomfortable I know She's doing the 1001 movie challenge I think that's the only thing you know No, and you I I read your suspicious script and it's excellent So you're gonna go like deep into stuff on that which I I enjoy the only reason I brought up his rating scale is I is I think zack said something that triggered like a in my head But anyways, yeah, if you like me and my stupidity you can go follow me on twitter at griff schiller You can like men versus movies on facebook follow it on twitter just men versus movies. Um, subscribe to the channel I do movie reviews. I just saw fantastic beasts today. So Probably review out for that whenever the embargo lifts Weird flex, but okay So you'll see his review next week Yeah, yeah, any red man is a really nice guy. There we go. Throw it out there Hey, right?    I think for boy raced right now. So go check that out I really like that movie. I can't wait to review that But thank you guys so much for watching this and until next time. Yeah, stay classy