America on their holidays and they come home and say teacher says what do you remember from your holidays oh we had a hot dog and it was the best ever you know kids love little stuff they love connection with you so don't feel oh my gosh I have to be providing really expensive activities you don't it's the little things but try and get them out away from the screens but connecting with you because we're under such pressure in our day-to-day lives very often we don't have real connection with our kids and I'd say to every parent if you're that's resonating with you think you know what I don't connect to them very much try and put that into place on a day-to-day basis every day but also try and have those days out where you just get out in nature preferably but you get out and about and you spend a time where you're really connecting with family then the adventure bit is really good for kids who you might want to encourage to have that bit more self-belief if you think that they need to they're not aware of how capable they are maybe they're struggling with anxiety maybe they're just a little bit sensitive the adventure stuff really works great because they go out and they try something that scares them a little bit and they're thinking oh my gosh this is making me anxious and they learn they can do it so think about whether it be ziplining it could be co-steering you're anything that's fun and adventurous even better if you do it with them and I presume the psychology of there as well is that it gives them a a different sense of the flight of fight emotion exactly so they live it Greg so they go out the heart is pounding a little bit you know I'm being a little bit shaky my breathing is starting to get a little bit shallow so it's all the signs of anxiety but I'm doing something fun I challenge myself I do it I feel wonderful and they're learning you know what I can face tough things we can do hard things and we can get through it and if you're doing it with them it strengthens that bond Greg I'm a wuss like I'm sitting here saying this to I am an absolute wuss I'm really really scared of heights and one of the things that I'm planning with my kids is I got them to think about what they would like to do and my kids are teenagers and they know I'm a wuss and we were up in the Giants Cosmo my husband's a dairy man so we're up the north all the time so we were up in the Giants Cosway and you know that Carrick a reed bridge when it was closed because of the wind oh my gosh I was I was delighted it was closed my kids not so much so that's my one they're saying to me no come on we're getting you back up and I know me finding my bit of inner brace because I will be terrified also shows them we all get scared sometimes but if we're together you when life gets scary we'll hold on as we get through this together and we can do it and those messages and often to you talked about competing with screen time but often to what we're talking about it could be a walk in the forest it could be out fishing it could be visiting some of the amazing things that we have it's it's more engaging and more interesting than the phone or the tablet do you know what I mean if it's done in the right way I mean obviously you might have to put it away but reluctantly you'll find your teenager or whatever it is enjoying themselves and then they don't seek the comfort of the digital world because the real world is actually more engaging you know because within our four walls it's a boring it's a boring place and the weather's against us but I mean when I talk about the weather being against us a lot of the little barriers we're putting up on ourselves the weather really isn't it's just the wrong clothes with the truth exactly and as you say sometimes like your teenager if you're going to say come on get off the screen we're going out you're going to get the side eye you're going to get the eyes prone to heaven you know do I really want to go with you so pick something fun pick a fun activity that you do together as a family and I guarantee you you know what our teenagers sometimes have three they sometimes active if you are the last person in the world they want to spend time with but actually when you're out there doing something fun it's like they're kids again and you come back to that connect everything I purposely use miss misuse phrases and words around the older two boys and it winds them up but they haven't and they won't be listed they still haven't tweaked that I do it completely purposely yeah you know I do it on purpose and I'll sit in the car and purposely sing lyrics wrong and I can hear it and it just gets me through it's just my it's how I entertain myself it doesn't have any major impact on them and just finally you're working with Tourism Northern Ireland they have seen that maybe in their portfolio of offerings that they can give people ideas because you know what everything we've talked of it sounds good but then it can be hard to sort of like put that into action so talk to me briefly about the work that you're doing with Tourism Northern Ireland and the hub you've been working on with them yes well they've got sort of like a family fun hub if you like so it's to help us planning and it's on and DiscoverNorthernIreland.com and it's there's lots of stuff there and it's from the beach stuff I've learned so much because myself the kids were looking it up and stuff like to save an older kid maybe came with throne stuff if you if you're younger stuff the mooring mountains do you know Greg the mooring mountains were the inspiration for C.S. Lewis for Narnia I never knew that I didn't know C.S. Lewis written Narnia but there you go so I'm learning I'm learning all the time and it can be stopped like Titanic it can be stopped like the giant puffer like young people have a real interest in history they really actually do history and architecture and I think it starts with dinosaurs you know a lot of younger people have real interest in dinosaurs and you know what I mean it seems to be something natural there and I suppose what the sort of the attractions that you talk of and and also I mean obviously not everyone can travel into Northern Ireland to visit the places that you talk of but the model that's there the idea is there can be reapplied to Fannett Lighthouse or to you know Myrna Hall Beach or wherever it might be in the car yeah oh I'm telling you my mother and father-in-law are up in Guidorre oh my gosh that beach every time I'm up there I'm thinking I want to live here I want to live here like you have so much stuff on your doorstep there and as I keep saying it doesn't have to be expensive stuff I hate when parents feel I have to provide the expense no no no no you don't just have a look at what's near you pop them in the car pop them on the bus and off you go and I promise you it will make such a difference and pool with other families as well as you know what I mean some you know you can pool with neighbors and you know or friends if you've got one or two kids each you know see if you can hop in the car together and share the expenses or whatever because obviously it's a lot of what we're talking about people might feel that they don't have the resources to do so but we have to try and think of ways right okay dr. mario cain's been lovely chatting to you thanks for your time today really appreciate it take care of yourself and best wishes to you and all of your family that's dr. mario cain lecturer in psychology and early childhood education teaching with the open university what do you think the 90 noon show is brought to you by letter kenny 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of course the minister for agriculture food and the marine good morning minister good morning greg thanks for taking the time out to discuss with us today a couple of very important issues maybe i might just start with a quick word with you as it relates to this controversy over quilts and you know private pension firms a british pension firms investment firms coming in buying land and the concern from farmers that this is going to drive the prices of the land i mean you don't really have a say in this do you well i will be meeting meeting culture next week to discuss this and discuss what their proposals and to tease and examine it further but listen i certainly have an objective in relation to empowering farm families to actually do more forestry to make it very worthwhile from an income point of view for that to happen so just in november past and launch the new forest program along with minister state at the packet which will which is commencing now from this month and will run for the next five years and under that there's very significantly enhanced premiums so premiums for example for farmers are up 60 and what they've been before and a significant change that i made in that as well was that i increased the number of years that farmers will be able to draw premiums from what would have been 15 years before to 20 years and for them to get it's not a farmer they are they are confined to 15 years of premiums so that's a significant change to tilt the balance of favor of farmers now in the past culture would have done significant of forestation over many decades across the country they haven't been doing any of forestation the last number of years because there was a change in state aid rules good number of seven few years ago which after which prevented them from being able to draw any premiums for any forestry the plant which made it unviable so i know they have been looking at what types of what they could do just to start doing some of forestation themselves again other than just manage the forest that they currently have and replant them so i think it's not feign that they're considering my proposal but listen that it's something they've considered it's not something that i have been involved with them on but i am meeting them next week because it's not the matter well my main objective is my key objective in forestry as with everything else is to work to support farm families in being able to do it and that's the and improve farm families a lot of those farm families when there was a what is it 1.5 billion was announced that they maybe thought that you know this is this is it was welcomed at the time i don't think they were expecting much of this money to be going to british pension companies investment companies and at the same time driving up driving up the price of the price of land and listen it is it is it is focused on farm families and that will be the case what uh kilts is seem to be considering here is a very small proportion of forestry comes to compare to what would be ongoing so the vast vast majority of the party minister with respect it can't be that small because they believe that this is essential to meet 2050 targets so it must it's certainly not insignificant do you not think that maybe culture could look at alternative routes or are you happy with them to to to work in partnership with these investment companies from britain you know i i think what they're doing what they're considering would be a small portion of the oval forestation it's it's farmers that we're we're targeting and we're encouraging in relation to providing the income to consider doing a forestation kiltia for the last number of years have been simply managing the forest that they that they have they haven't been expanding them so listen i'll be meeting them to discuss and tease it out further but listen and also i mean what i'd also be discussing with them is how they can work directly with farmers as well to to to support them and their efforts so listen there's a very significant investment here 1.3 billion euro directed to actually support farm families very much tilted in their favor as well to make it much more financially beneficial for them than for anybody who's not a farmer to actually be in this space that's the way i think it should be um and listen but i'll meet kiltia now in relation to teasing out and examining further exactly what their their proposal is here all right now you've also established a working group which will consider all relevant legislative enforcement issues in relation to dogs i mean we we know about chipping in and this that and the other but it does seem to be an area where there's very little enforcement very little control you know it does seem to be something that really needs addressing is that what you're hoping to do with this working group and what do you hope to actually achieve through it yeah what we're hoping to do is to strengthen the whole situation the enforcement and all the enforcement of the laws that are there but also particularly as well to look to see if there's additional steps we can take which can strengthen the the whole system around ensuring the proper oversight of dogs and particularly the protection of of people from from a dangerous dog for particular there's a role across different government departments so my own and then also minister heather home prison the department of rural affairs and also then the enforcement of the the rules and regulations is done through local authorities which are under the department of housing each local authority has a dog warden or a dog warden service which is responsible and it oversees dog enforcement or enforcement of regulation in each county how do you think they're doing so far i mean was there one one final it's not really this is that not the sharp edge of it but like say for instance you know people feel dogs are running freely on beaches without control littering everywhere you know intimidating people attacking other small dogs there is a sense that there's actually zero current enforcement so one of us there at the moment clearly you couldn't give it a great day well i think we have to improve it certainly and and provide additional support to ensure enforcement happens and part of that is going to not just going to be an enforcement piece but also also how we can actually improve awareness around people having responsibility for their own their own dogs as well and that's going to be an important piece so a lot has happened you know over the last 10 years as such in relation to law and regulation around the welfare of dogs we've significant laws in place now for the last short number of years and improved laws in relation to the breeding establishments for example also now the requirement to microchip dogs which hadn't been there in the past and also and the the dogs enforcement legislation as well we need to look at how we can bring a lot of that protects dogs but we're on about maybe protecting farmers livestock we're on about protecting people's ability to use our beaches and forests we're on about the ability for people to walk through their local town without stepping in dog crap you know like so i think what's happened here to four has maybe been focused more on animal welfare than the the other animals welfare and the human welfare you know i think it's all interconnected because before we had there wasn't you know we didn't have in the same traceability around dog ownership and i think all of that is connected in relation to people taking responsibility for the ownership of dogs but then also the how they behave and how they're managed so and say over the last five six seven years there were significant steps taken every year now you know there's more and more traceability there's more and more dogs getting microchipped we have to pull that together more we have to pull that together more government level two in relation to the departments that have oversight of it and look at it really from scratch in relation to what we how we can do it better and also working them with the local authorities how we can resource them to enforce it but also working with the public to ensure you know that in terms of social acceptability it is not accepted socially if people don't look after their dogs properly in terms of whenever they're out in public and in terms of how they engage with other people and also in terms also also in terms of how the you know the safety of livestock as well and making sure that the dogs are not running uncontrolled okay so there's all of the parts how do you see working then minister how do you actually see working in reality i mean we don't want to preempt the the work of the working people i have different ideas yeah i have different ideas myself which which i'll be bringing to the table but listen i've pulled together all of the key people from the different departments to put a done put a working group together now to report shortly to myself and minister Humphreys on this to decide how to do it so i won't preempt preempted there's people who've been doing it a lot longer than i have who you know and i want to feed into it and we'll be bringing those ideas to the table but i think it's clear we need to strengthen the situation we need more coordination and we need better resources and the outcome needs to encompass that and listen you know it has been very much before the last number of months we the young man the young boy in waxford was horrifying and terrible it's good to see him back from out of hospital but life changing and also in relation to in relation to issues with significant livestock kills in recent times as well so it is something we need to clamp down on and bring a lot more oversight of and enforcement of and just very very finally back to the forestry lands i'll let you go because i know you're busy as always uh with the forestry land do the investors uh own the land or do the people of Ireland own the land like to the pension fund end up owning the land or is it just the trees as far as you know i'm meeting culture next week to discuss um it's it's certain it's something that kill culture are discussing to enable them to do some afforestation again um and to be able to purchase land to actually plant uh trees on it and it's culture that are want to do that because they have been inhibited from doing any new plantation they manage the forest we have very well they replant them once they're harvested but they haven't unlike in the past they haven't been able to do any new afforestation anything that's done here has to be balanced and proportionate but listen i'm meeting them but as i say the whole thrust and the whole objective of the forestry program and you know for example the new premiums have introduced deliver 1137 euro per hectare per year to a farmer now planting native trees and also there's an initial plantation grant which covers the planting the tree and then there's 1137 euro a year every year for 20 years to that farmer for that hectare and that's also tax-free so over 20 years for example a farmer who plants a hectare of native trees would be would withdraw tax-free income of around 23 24 000 euro over a 20 year period for planting his land and uh so it's very very significant step change which i expect to see farmers really consider you know and i know cross only go all those farms who could do a hectare or a small a small bit um on their farm with the existing enterprise and the date incorporated so i i think it's going to bring about a significant significant I just think this i think this this quick to deal would be well i think this quick to deal would be more palatable maybe you know at least the this this land to the investment firm do they get the return from the investment that would satisfy their their their uh their paymasters and then have some sort of mechanism whereby this is returned then uh to the state or or for sale to local farmers i don't know there has to be ways you know and i've been discussing i'll be discussing all that with all of what some i'm great i'm going to meet them next week all right take care of yourself minister charlie mccunlough he's the minister for agriculture food and the marine the night on noon show is brought to you by letter kenny credit union digital loans now available apply online or via our app today and get your loan transferred directly to your current account the choices we make determine where we're going where will your choices take you visit kelly's toyota letter kenny or mount charles and join the thousands of virus drivers who swap diesel for toyota hybrid electric lowering their emissions and fuel costs we've ireland's widest hybrid electric range including the toyota chr and yaris cross don't miss out order today at kelly's toyota letter kenny or mount charles you'll never take a wrong turn with toyota built for a better 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percent so you're looking at half the price yeah so but but what we're seeing um what we are seeing too though is that whenever we talk about house prices in dunny gold it's always off a low base so you know you might see a 12 percent increase in house prices but it's like 112 000 euro instead of 100 000 euro i mean i wonder though like all there and maybe there's some listeners out there can let us know i mean all listeners out there securing semi-detached three beds for 145 grand or 155 grand it uh i thought it's going to be cheaper still it does i just wonder are those houses actually available and on the market particularly given the low availability of houses yeah and given the fact that it's half the price of the national national cost i don't know i'd be just interested in the real world is if anyone out there if houses are actually changing for the amount of money but listen at the end of the day those are the statistics and that they have access to sort of sales records to 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i d a um they are reporting a good year yeah the number of people employed by enterprise ireland backed companies grew by nearly 20 000 last year and that's an increase of five percent compared to 2021 and its annual report the agency which is in charge of helping areas businesses and world markets revealed that 70 percent of staff at enterprise ireland backed firms now live outside Dublin so just a side a side note employment increased across the agency's three core economic sectors technology and services eight percent industrial and life sciences five percent and food and sustainability three percent so a fairly healthy picture being painted by idea there yeah it is it certainly isn't i think it talks to this sort of dual economy that's running in ireland at the moment where you've certain sectors and certain employees and certain businesses doing really well and then many uh of us living really in a recession effectively yeah the other thing is most just in relation to the 70 percent of staff um that work with enterprise ireland backed firms living outside Dublin i suppose is that uh a new phenomenon as well and a new trend well i think the tide is beginning to turn on blended working or working from home i think a lot of companies amazon are the latest call staff back into the office uh twitter of course already famously have said get back into the office and other businesses as well um i think you know whatever about productivity i think just in terms of what's lost when human interaction isn't there i just think it's been tested it's been routinely tested i just think in a lot of areas we might see uh the tide turning in that regard but we shall see i'm not saying by the way the people working outside of Dublin are working remotely that's just an aside right okay financial management workshop series yeah dunigall etb's further education and touring service is teaming up with dunigall women and business network in february to deliver three financial 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ac's patsy uh mechanical that's correct greg patsy was to the fore when the club purchased a disused factory in stern order in the early 80s for 32 000 pounds sterling so over the last 40 years the building has expanded to become a vibrant multi-purpose center which employs around 50 people while up to 10 others work at the center independently a former lecturer at the kinaity patsy was appointed chairman of the ldc in october 2018 he was also manager of the ireland's athletic senior team from 1999 to 2017 during our conversation greg i asked patsy what was the best lesson he'd learned in his role as team leader at fin valley ac i think if you bring enthusiasm to anything and you bring energy to anything and you bring belief to something uh i think you can you can achieve a hell of a lot you know i think there's a lot of um i think there's a lot of nonsense chatted about so much now you know in the area of sport even you you know you know you know just i think if you've got this mental positive attitude and you don't see the downside you be sensible obviously you have to be sensible in your approach but if you're coming at this and you don't you're not going to get bit you just ain't going to get bit you know you're going to find a way and people will throw up barriers but you'll if you have if you have the the resilience to find a way around them and hammer on that's what i learned and you know you know there's no you know and i i quoted this many a time but there's no line in the sand since you can't cross that line you there's you can achieve you can achieve but enthusiasm energy and so what the energy was key energy was key and positivity was key and through all of that you know um if it was starting out this time in my life i don't think it would be as i wouldn't impact anything like it back then because i just got up and went out every single day now people will have heard patsy mcgonagall uh interviewed before on many many issues and he's a wonderful uh contributed to highland radio and i've interviewed him on various things nine times out of ten it is athletics and sport because that's what we associate him with but in this long-form conversation that you have with him kieran it's it's i mean obviously there's gonna get a mention of sport between the two years you'll slip it in or he'll slip given given your background but this is this is a different interview with patsy mcgonagall i don't think i'm overstating it there oh yeah look um we talked a small bit of athletics near the end but as you say we covered uh i suppose really it's the story of uh the the fun valley ac and the fun valley ac center um as he said there in the clip we played over 40 years with a bunch of the shoes factory for 32 000 pounds sterling and if that's these that was a lot of money and even how clubs um raised the money greg and it was a lot of going garen pour and three or four people in the committee and they changed the way they they did things but everything was done on a sort of phased basis two things the big thing was for patsy he got the buy-in from from the community he got the buy-in from the club see what's interesting and what i'm interested in to you it's like facility success success facilities there's almost chicken and egg isn't it or maybe they're they run in parallel but one can't really maximize its potential without the other yeah but as you're right and it goes back to the buy-in from the community look the upshot of it all is there there are 50 people that are employed in the center in a part-time and full-time basis some of us are student some of us are part-time they're almost 10 others working independently of the center and they're uh shown innovation and a bit of entrepreneurship as well but you can never stand still correct you always have to be seeing where we're going to be at 24 25 26 yeah and i think the the as past say acknowledged the final piece of the jigsaw was the completion and opening of the swimming pool and i suppose that completed the the the center from their own point of view right okay the full interview and as i say patsy is always a fascinating listen this is where you get more the finn valley plc not literally plc but uh as much as anything right that's the the long form interviews available for you right now to listen on demand go on to our website highlandradio.com in the on-demand section you'll see it there and also you can get it on Spotify or iTunes and it's broadcast uh schedule broadcast on sunday two kieran yeah after the session of news gray gone some evening and and really this is quite important as well because we throw it in at the end but if anyone wants to contact you how did they do so and this could be some feedback on it but also if it's someone out there who has a story to tell or a big audience they want to get a message across to in terms of you know what they've learned to what they've achieved or whatever it might be how did they get in contact with you yeah just drop an email please greg bussmatters at highlandradio.com right i think the people of the northwest have heard enough waffle for me so i'm going to bid you adieu i'm going to go but i will return i warn you at nine o'clock tomorrow morning stay tuned mikaela clark is on the way thanks to all the


On several occasions, my interest in the supernatural has taken me to some of the most prestigious seats of learning in the entire United Kingdom. From the venerable halls of Oxford and Cambridge, to the more humble surroundings of inner-city colleges and schools, my pursuit of evidence to substantiate such claims has rarely been fruitful. However, while exploring the University of St Andrews in Scotland, I found a rather interesting tome hidden away in a dark and musty corner of the campus library. The book itself was unusual, its cover bound in a weathered and blackened leather which unashamedly wore the wrinkles and cracks of time. It dated back to the 16th century and seemed to contain various descriptions and accounts of the daily lives of the people of Ettrick, a small isolated town built in the South Moorlands of the country. Perusing the volume there were a variety of entries from a number of authors spanning a 60-year period. It seemed to have been handed down from town elder to town elder over that time and to be quite frank, most of it contained idle musings on the townsfolk and plans for a number of humble building projects and improvements. Just as I was about to conclude that the book was of little interest to me, I noticed on the inside of the back corner that someone had drawn a picture. It was elegantly depicted, but I never would have described it as a pleasing sight. In fact, my immediate reaction was one of disgust upon first viewing it. The combination of the harsh, almost angry black lines used and the stark imagery of the scene as relayed by the artist left me with a thoroughly unpleasant impression of its subject. I shuddered. As I cast my eye over it in an attempt to take in the picture of what seemed to be a man tall with long thin arms and legs, his face was partially obscured by one of his gaunt white hands, but what could be seen was monstrous. Prominent veins protruded from his forehead, leading up to a pallid bald head. His eyes were deep set into his skull, and the surrounding woods seemed to twist and lean away from him fearfully. At first I assumed that the picture was some kind of hideous graffiti, but at the bottom of the page was inscribed the date of 1578 and a rather unusual name, Herbert Solomon. Whether this was the name of the menacing figure in the drawing or of the artist I did not know. Disturbed yet compelled by that dark woodland scene, I decided that the book required further study. I desired greatly to know who this creature was and why someone had felt the need to capture his strange form in a drawing, a drawing at the back of a book otherwise used to record the lives of the townsfolk. On closer inspection, what surprised me farther was that the same image seemed to recur elsewhere in the book, but drawn by apparently different individuals. Within the book I found numerous mentions of Herbert Solomon, and it became clear quickly that he was indeed the emaciated man in the picture. He had lived in the 16th century on the outskirts of Ettrick town. It was a small and underdeveloped place, surrounded on all sides by the thick cover of Ettrick forest which itself sat in the midst of a vast region of southern Moorland. The town had a small parish church with one humble steeple, an inn normally used by those traveling through the unforgiving countryside, and quaint cobbled streets which wound their way around the stone cottages and town hall. According to the descriptions in the book, during the December of 1577, children began to disappear from the town. The first was a young girl by the name of Alaina Sutherland. She had been playing with some friends by an old well on the outskirts of the town, but had dropped a small toy doll down it accidentally, which had caused her much distress. Unable to retrieve it, she returned home to borrow some string in an old hook in the hopes of being able to fish the doll out of the water below. She was last seen walking towards the well just as the sun set. In a panic, the townsfolk searched. They dredged the well, they combed the wheat fields, and even sent several groups of those willing into the surrounding woods. Alas, the girl was not found. A few days later, a young boy by the name of Eric Kennedy was running an errand for his grandmother. It was dark, but he had only to take some wool over to the Monroe place as wave of thanks for the grain they had provided, and they lived only a few streets away. It was assumed that at least the center of town would be safe, but the boy never completed his errand. He vanished as if he were torn from existence. By the end of January, an unusually bitter wind had caused significant damage to the town and its people. Large thick sheets of ice and snow covered each house and building. Several people died from the cold alone, and the general mood of Ettrick town was a somber one. Despite these trying times, the townspeople were more concerned with the safety of their offspring. In total, seven children had now disappeared without rhyme or reason. Whole families wept in despair, and the people of Ettrick began to view one another suspiciously. They knew the truth, someone was taking their children from them. By mid-February, two more had went missing and accusatory glances were now being shared between every family and every member of the community. The town elder decided to act and took upon himself the arduous task of identifying and catching the fiend. Bureaucratic discussions were had, church groups convened, and in every house and every street and every corner of Ettrick, one name crossed the lips of its inhabitants, Herbert Solomon. The more the name was mentioned, the more certain his guilt became. Herbert Solomon was an outsider. He lived in a small wooden cabin amongst the woods which surrounded the town, and due to his unfortunate appearance tended to avoid human contact. What his malady was, no one was sure, and in the unenlightened times of 16th century Scotland, many believed that he was cursed. Modern eyes would have guessed him to be a victim of a wasting disease. He rarely ventured into town except on a few occasions to trade for supplies, and even in those instances he covered his face with a brown tarnished hat and a grey piece of cloth, which obscured his features below two deep sed and darkened eyes. Several of the town's folk told stories of Herbert Solomon. According to these accounts you would stand on the edge of the forest, watching the farmers till their land and their children play in the fields. It was his fascination with children which left many feeling uneasy. Some of the town's children returned home from playing near the woods on a number of occasions with beautifully crafted dolls and toys. They were a present from Herbert Solomon, and being innocent children they could not know of the dangers therein. When the children began to disappear, eyes immediately turned to the strange man living in the woods. Accusations were carried by the whispers of fearful parents, and as the whispers increased in number, so did their volume, until it was decided that Herbert Solomon must be stopped. On a cold February night, the elders of the town decreed that Solomon should be arrested immediately. Grief, anger, resentment, and fear grew to a fever pitch with this news, and every man, woman, and child set out across the fields, entering into the surrounding forest in search of the child killer, Herbert Solomon. Details of exactly what occurred that night are limited, but it seems as though the people of Ettrick Town attempted to remove Herbert from his small cabin by setting it on fire. The crowd cheered as the heat grew and the fire rose. His screams echoed throughout the woods, finally to be silenced by the flames. The townsfolk believed that justice had been done, and while the grief of the parents whom had lost their children could never be quenched, there was at least the satisfaction of knowing that the man responsible was now dead. However, over the following few days an unease descended upon the entire town. Stories began to spread of strange encounters in the streets at night, a gaunt shadowy figure prowling the cobbled stones hiding in the darkness. Within a week numerous residents claimed to have woken up during the night to the petrifying sight of an unwelcome visitor. One account was of an elderly lady who woke up to the sound of something rustling under her bed, only to nearly die of shock as a tall, thin man pulled himself out from underneath. She fainted, but not before she saw his face, a withered complexion as if ravaged by disease, his eyes blacker than night and his hands comprised of tightly pulled skin over a bony interior. Another story consisted of a local tradesman who while investigating a noise from his cellar was confronted by a hideous figure, so tall and gaunt that it had to hunch over to avoid the low ceiling entirely, its sheet white face flickering in the candlelight. The man managed to escape, but he refused to re-enter his home. It became clear to the townspeople that the vengeful ghost of Herbert Solomon was still searching for other victims from beyond the grave, his hate and hideous form haunting the town which murdered him. With each passing day the sightings grew in intensity and number, a fog descended on the town and the people wept and grieved as the sound of Herbert Solomon terrorized each person night by night. He was seen wandering amongst the wheat fields in the cellars and lofts of cottage houses, his long gaping footsteps ringing out each night through the streets of Ettricktown. They had been cursed. In life Herbert Solomon had taken and murdered their children and now in death he seemed to possess the twisted means to terrorize the entire town. Then the unthinkable happened, another child went missing. A young orphan girl who often wandered the streets when she could not find a place to call home for the night was heard screaming for her life. The townsfolk rushed to their windows looking out but not daring to leave the imaginary safety of their houses, paralyzed by fear. The screaming ceased quickly and moments later wandering aimlessly out of the fog came the menacing figure of Herbert Solomon. He rushed down the street, his lifeless arms bashing against the houses which he passed scraping the doors and windows with his rigid fingers emitting an unnatural yell of anger and hatred on his way. The girl was gone and the town grieved once more. In the preceding days the fog grew denser and with it came the unwelcome news of two more children taken, one a girl whom after having a raging argument with her family left the house never to be seen again, the other a boy named Matthew the son of a notable drunk who was taken from his own bed by the hands of Solomon while the father lay unconscious from drink. During a church service the unthinkable happened. Solomon appeared briefly in the aisles of the church seemingly unaffected by consecrated ground. The congregation whimpered in horror and disdain as his warped, spindly form walked slowly behind a pillar and then vanished. It was indeed a show of influence. Hope was almost lost, not even a place of worship could deny him and he was now capable of entering any home at night and then taking whatever or whoever he wished. The town had to act or abandon the place altogether but there was no guarantee that the curse of Solomon would not follow. The local vicar, a man by the name of Mackenzie, was asked by the people of Etric to use any sacred power which was ordained to him in an attempt to destroy or banish the spirit of Solomon. A plan was provided. The vicar and a few chosen individuals armed with torches, swords which had been blessed and vials of holy water would take guard over the town waiting for the cursed figure of that child killer to show his face once more. Then they would confront him, observing as much of the town as possible from several house windows, roofs and strategic street corners Mackenzie's chosen waited. They did not however need to wait long. That night the lonely figure of Herbert Solomon appeared through the mist walking the streets of Etric with purpose. Yells and screams rang out as people alerted one another that Solomon had returned. Families held their children close as dark thoughts consumed the town. Please spare my child. Take another's. Mackenzie was the first to confront him. His will was shaken by the sight of Solomon's hideous pallid face rotten and ravaged. The gangly, spindling figure stood staring intently at the vicar through black, clouded eyes. Another man now joined, then another. Before long, Herbert Solomon was surrounded. Mackenzie instructed the men to slowly close the circle, drawing their swords with one hand while brandishing flaming torches with the other. Fear gripped them, but they knew that this could be their only chance. Mackenzie threw a vial at Solomon's lumbering feet. And as he uttered a Christian Psalm, another man struck out with his torch. The blow crackled as the cloth covered arm of Solomon caught fire. Cheers rang out from the townsfolk watching from their homes above, but the man had strayed too close, providing a gap in the circle which Solomon claimed with purpose. He fled. His spindling legs and flailing arms cast spider-like shadows on the walls and cobbled streets as he passed. The townsfolk gave chase, following the pathetic figure as it negotiated each street corner, lane, and courtyard in an attempt to escape their rage. The noise alerted the town, Herbert Solomon is trying to flee. From every home across the town, people poured out of their houses curing whatever they could as way of a makeshift weapon. They flooded the streets and ran towards the shouts and screams of Solomon's pursuers. With every turn of a cobbled street corner, Solomon was running out of places to hide. Finally, as he stumbled down the town's main street, he stopped. The townsfolk had blocked all escape routes. He was trapped. Mackenzie pushed his way to the front of the crowd, asking for quiet and calm as he approached the hunch-defeated figure of Herbert Solomon. He and his chosen few were going to rid the town of Etrick of this abomination once and for all. Vile in hand, accompanied by several large bullish men brandishing swords, Mackenzie approached slowly, reciting verses from the Bible. Through dark eyes, Herbert Solomon observed the townsfolk, their faces etched with hate and thoughts of revenge, moving toward him. And then, he simply turned and entered an open doorway next to him. The people gasped and Mackenzie and his followers rushed inside after him. The house they had entered was still, and lying on the hard wooden floor of the main hallway was the pale body of a young girl. The creaking of floorboards underweighed, sounded above as numerous pursuers searched the house, disappointed to find nothing. Then something miraculous occurred. The little girl gasped for air. She was alive. She had little or no strength, and all she could do was utter one word, below. When the cellar of the house Mackenzie found a grim and horrific scene, the floor was covered in blood, and the quite dead body of a man lay face down upon it. Chained to the walls of that dim place were the children who had been taken. They were partially drugged, malnourished, and traumatized, but they were alive. The town rejoiced with the news, families were reunited, lives were mended. The mist of a bleak and horrible winter slowly lifted, and all seemed well. On regaining their strength, the children recounted what had befallen them. Each of them had been taken by a man called Tom Sutherland. He was the father of the first girl who had went missing, and it appeared that it was he who had killed her. No one knew for sure, but many were aware of his bad temper, and on more than one occasion he had beaten poor Lanna. Consumed by guilt and loss, Sutherland began taking children at knife point and locking them in his cellar, often drugging them with a local herb and occasionally beating them while pathetically weeping and self-pity. Even the day that the children were found, Sutherland entered the cellar drunk, carrying a knife and rope. He began striking the children once more, and told them that one would die that day. He untied one of the children and pinned her to the ground with his knees. The knife hovered over her head, but just as he was about to plunge the blade into her, someone entered the house. Sutherland grew ferocious with anger, but whoever was standing at the top of the staircase struck such fear into him that he quickly backpedaled into the cellar. Ducking under the doorway was the tall, scarred figure of Herbert Solomon. At the sight of him and now being free, the little girl crawled quickly between Herbert's long legs. She was free, but too weak to run. She fainted before she could escape the house. Details of what happened to Tom Sutherland were muddled by the unstable, semi-conscious condition of the witnesses, but it was clear that his neck was broken. His head twisted with such force that it faced an unnatural, opposite direction. There were various accounts of subsequent glimpses of Herbert Solomon, and some of the children claimed to find beautifully crafted dolls and toys on occasion, sitting at the edge of the woods. But of course, this cannot be substantiated. Indeed, I would have said that the entire story could not be substantiated if it weren't for the events which I experienced several months after reading that old book and the depths of St. Andrew's University. A colleague and dear friend of mine invited me to stay at his family home for a few days in the countryside. I knew that the house was in the borders, not half an hour's drive from Etrick, and could not miss the chance to have a closer look at the area. I had managed to persuade the powers at B to allow me to take the book from St. Andrew's and show it to my friend. He had a particular interest and not insignificant knowledge of the history of the area. I thought perhaps he could shine a light on this curious tale. His family were very kind to me, and the house and its grounds were serene in the summer sun, with his children playing in the fields having a carefree and happy time. After reading the book, he told me that it was fascinating, and that he knew of a local poem which had been written in the 17th century about a man named Solomon who killed the children, but he could not tell me anymore. The next day, we heard screams coming from nearby the house. It was my friend's little girl. We raced outside, and following the cries for help over an old fence and down a steepy grass hill, we reached a winding and furious river. The girl had fallen in, and was clinging to a large tree root which thrust out from the opposite embankment into the river. The root was wet, and my friend let out a scream of anguish as his daughter lost her grip, being swept downstream towards a large formation of huge sharp rocks which jutted out from beneath the surface. The river would not let go, and was throwing her around with such force that it was difficult to see how she could survive. With the abject terror that she could drown, we finally made it to the water's edge. As we rushed into the murky torrent, we watched helplessly as the poor little girl was about to crash into the rocks. We were too far away. Suddenly, our attention was grabbed by the cracks and creeks of a tall gaunt figure at the other side of the river, rushing out of the woods at tremendous speed on the opposite bank. With one swift motion, a thin, bony hand plunged into the violent water, prevailing against the immense currents, finally pulling the young girl to safety. She was alive, frightened, crying, but alive and unhurt. The pale-faced, emaciated figure placed the girl gently on the ground, his darkened eyes watching us closely from across the water.  Even in death, Herbert Solomon was the kindest and gentlest of souls.


The reason why you behave a certain way or how you perceive the world or how you are in general is because of your upbringing. Now you have your hardware, which you're born with, which you can't really control as of yet, maybe in the future you can. And then you have your ancestral traits, which we've shown in studies throughout the genetics, the mouse studies, really famous study with the lime scent and taser stuff. And so you've had zero control pretty much until you're an adult. When you're on your own, then you can control. But then you have like 18 years of pressure. And then while you're doing the therapy, you're peeling back your onion layers and motions, there's anchor points. There has to be a juxtaposition of why did you feel this at this point, at least for me it's on the fatherhood side. And so for me, it's more or less identifying the causation of it and coming to turn. So whether it's a male to father issue or mother issue or maybe like bullying as a young kid, it just comes back to understanding why you felt that. So the integration for me, it's like, okay, I always say this, I become like a therapy session. I love my father, but I don't per se respect him. Big difference. I don't respect him. I don't understand. Right.  Yeah. Like you never spoke with them? For sure. There's just that. There's like a weird kinesthetic vibe, energy. Yeah. And the best thing I heard before is like the reason why you don't like that person is they're a representation of you.  So totally. Yeah.  I see it. For sure. Dude, you know, kind of as a jumping off point, like there's a book that I read recently and it's been so incredibly life changing in terms of like, you know, I have a long journey of overcoming a lot of, yeah, like you say PTSD, a lot of stresses from when I was in my youth. And I've gone through a lot of these moments where it's like, I've just thought about it and I've talked to some therapist about it and just like it, at least in my experience, it always seemed like talking about it, talking about it, trying to figure out was like a tooth trying to buy it, bite a tooth. Like I think talking about it is not integrating it because talking about it is like your window shopper. Right. Like, hey, there it is. Yeah, exactly. Hi. How are you doing? In, you know, you and I are both Joseph Campbell lovers and in mythology, specifically in Buddhism, Nietzsche talks about these young talk, all of them, anyone with two marbles knows this. The problem with talking about anything is we're separating from ourselves. Like this like third entity is like, oh, it's not really part of us. It's not me. In reality, like if you look at Buddhism or if you look at mythology, look at like the hidden shadows in ourselves is about accepting a part of you. You know, Nietzsche has a great saying, be careful to cast out the devil from you because they're casting out the best part of you. Everything is like a double-edged sword. Yeah. Yeah. Usually our best qualities are our worst qualities. Yeah. So instead of, instead of negating it, like people like to label it, right? There's a Vedic saying if you label me, you negate me. People like to label something, well, you know, I'm angry and like my primary dominance is like anger. Right. Like my substrate, anger and cynical. I'm like, I don't trust people. Right.  Like I need to eliminate it. You're never going to eliminate it. It's going to become worse. You know, Joseph Campbell's definition of the devil is the definition of the devil is internal energies that you have ignored and not love and they manifest to become your very own devils. Yeah. You become your own devil because you don't accept them. You don't recognize them. You don't love them.   That's like impossible because it's you. It's you. You can't run away from yourself. Correct. Can't just all of a sudden be like, all right. It's gone. Yeah. There's no duality.


So before we begin episode 7 of FNAF VR, I want to give a very special shout out to my good pal, Chicken Man17242. He's been helping me out throughout this series, giving me hints about what I have to do in some levels. He's also been telling me some important information about nightmare mode. I text him and he's like, yo, I just started nightmare mode, is there anything I need to know before I continue onwards? And he's like, nope, you should be fine. Just make sure you find loads of tapes, loads of coins, and you'll be fine. So he hasn't given away any secrets or anything, he's just been helping me out, leading me in the right direction to get some nice juicy content. So thanks, Cam, for that. Because if you haven't noticed, for the past few videos, I've been wearing the exact same shirt and the exact same clothes. That is because I've been recording some episodes, I've been recording multiple episodes in the same day. And I don't want to wait a few days for you guys to respond in the comments. So I just text him and he's like, hey, I need help with this, you know, what do I do? And he replies immediately with all the information. Again, he doesn't give away anything, he just helps me out. And he's really been helping me out. He's a super nice guy, he's a good friend of mine, so go check him out, he's been helping me a lot with this series. So yeah, Chicken Man17242, link down in the description. Anyways, Nightmare Mode, let's go. Hello, people of the internet. My name is Johnny, and welcome back to Five Nights at Freddy's at VR, how I wanted. We're doing Nightmare Mode. In the last episode, we finished off Normal Mode with all these juicy minigames, and now we've moved on to Nightmare Mode, aka Hard Mode. And in the last episode, we also did all of the parts of the service minigame. And I think in this episode, I want to check out Dark Rooms.  But let's start off with Plush Trap. I don't know how they're going to make this different, and I'm kind of scared. Honestly, I'm kind of scared. All right. I am short. I am short. Oh my God, I'm short. Oh my God. I am so short. Why am I so short? Is this supposed to be like this? He's not really moving, oh my God. Am I supposed to be the short? Why is the door opening? Am I supposed to be the short? How's it going? I'm short. Why am I so short? Am I supposed to be that short? All right, I remembered you scared me last time, so I'm going to try that again. I was going to close my eyes, but then I forgot to. And then this started all going weird. And I don't know what it means, and I don't really like it. Also, these pipes. If I'm short again, then I don't like that. I'm short. Oh my God. Why? He's a lot aggressive. He's very aggressive. Makes sense. Hi. Hi. Also, once I didn't see anything there, I was like, this is going to be a joke. I'm scared. I don't understand what that is, but nightmare BB time. Oh my God. Right, same controls. Okay. Hi. I'm normal size again.  There's a coin up there. How do I get that? Who can hold you? How do I get up there? How do I get? How do I get it? How?  I can't see. He's there. Blue and bright in front of me. No, no, no. Oh my God. I hate him so much. I can't get it. I swear I'm flashing him on the X. Or at least I'm getting him close to it.  I just kind of guessed there at the end. I wasn't really paying attention to what he was saying or doing. Whoa, look at this. Oh, cool. Yeah. That was, uh, that was a balloon boy. Hey, you're getting pretty close. All right. The Plush Babies. I don't even know if I want to try and attempt them, but I'm going to do one. I'll do it once.  I even named the video Plush Babies Are The Worst. Are you kidding me? Oh, oh, but they're scrapped. All right, that's good.  Kind of hard to spot, but the other ones are active. If I get two there. Oh my God. Hey, shoot. I'm dead boys. Nope. Nope. Not doing this. Not doing that. Not doing that. Not doing that. All right. That's not feasible, but for now I kind of want to move on. I'll come back to them later. Hello. Yeah. No, the Plush Babies. These guys are definitely beatable. I did get to 4 a.m. I'm pretty sure that said. But, um, I've kind of had enough. I've got PTSD from them. Let's do it. I know how to do stuff. This is Mangle now, boys. This is Mangle. How they're going to make the... Oh, oh. 72 degrees. Yep. Good job. See you next time. Was that it? That really wasn't that bad. That really wasn't that bad. I could see why it would be difficult.  I could see why that was difficult. As long as you can hear where they're coming from. It's really not that bad, boys. All right. Ended. He looks sketchy as freak right now.  What? What? What? Welcome to Circus Baby's Entertainment and Rental. It has been zero days since last incident. That's Toy Bonnie. And that's got Funtime Foxy. Who are you? Is this not supposed to have a floor? Can I finally open these? Ow, that's a ceiling. All right then. Done, done. Whoa, whoa. Freddy. My God. My guy. Oh, my. Foxy, what happened? My guy. All right. This looks like it's the same thing. Well done.  Keeping my eye on you. I don't really trust you. All right, who's going to be in here? You. You. You. You. Oh, my God. Is that a Prince flint trap? Whoa, what? I've been pressured like this. I can't see that far. No, I'm just going to guess again like I did last time. This is so crazy. Wait, let me get this right. There's a red spring trap, and every single character has been dismantled. There's like the phone? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. What? Is this cannon? Tell me this is not cannon. I can't even see where that one goes. All right, I did it. I did it. I did it. Is he going to try and get me again? Yes, but he'll fail. All the same. God, there's a hair inside the thing. That was a fun time. Foxy arm right there. There's a broken bonnet. There's another hand. There's a god dang mask, a flint type foxy. It looks like some sort of other foxy variant. That's a bonny. That's a thing. That's an arm of someone. That's a baby something. That's um, um, um, um, um, um. Motion trigger. Secondary service elevator ventilation shaft. Secondary service elevation shaft. Secondary service elevation shaft. What did that give me? That didn't give me anything. Oh no, I'm here. Go, go, go, go. Yes, yes, yes, yes. Yes? Yes. Who are you? What else we got? What else we got? We got a chica. Um, that kind of looks like the one in the log book. We got something that looked, I think that was a freddle. We got some, a torso. We got another hand. Or an arm, I guess. We got something. What? What? What? What? What? What? What? What? What? What? What? What? What? What? What? What? Boiler room. Boilers. So we got more of this doodoo. It was a green light. Oh, I got him. Inside the helmet. What the, who are you? Oh, that's Justin Mask. If I turn that, and then if I turn this, is that going to do anything? Nope. We're just straight up confused. Sure. I was a little bit confused on that one. I never really understand it. Am I going to blow up and do it again like I did last time? Or like what I maybe did last time? I don't get it. Is that? Two degrees. Wait a minute. See you next time. Is this from the fourth- Alright, here's my new theory about what that is. In the fourth closet, William Afton melds the fun time characters together. Or maybe, no, he welds the spirits of the dead children. No, he melds the original FNAF 1 characters together to make the fun time characters. I don't think that's what it is, but that's my only explanation for that scene. Awesome, I got a soda room. I think that's supposed to be like pepperoni. Soda roomy. We're getting pretty close. And that is it for that. I haven't unlocked that yet. I'm guessing I got to beat everything else here. So what I'm going to try to do, right? I'm going to try and do the plush babies. But first, I want to check out the prize corner and the tape room. Just in case I've missed anything. So I haven't actually missed out on everything, or anything actually. I haven't missed out on anything with those two places. So now I'm going to try and beat this because I have a feeling that I can. So yeah, just give me a few minutes. And by that I mean probably another half an hour. Wait, wait, wait, let's talk about this.  Don't think I won't find you. I better be the one I just got. Was that you up there on the shelf? Ah, man, I was just about to get you. I think that was someone somewhere. There was a someone somewhere. I got both of you. Alright, that should be yellow. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, wait a minute. Whoa, wait, let's talk about this. Guys, wait! I found something that you can do that's so much more easy than pressing down the stick. Put out your flashlight. If you hit this button right here, that's also, that is also flashlight. Because I don't know about you guys, but for me it's pretty uncomfortable to hold down the stick. Oh no, maybe I'm just weird. Ah, freak. No, no, no, chief, no. Now I'm out! Come on, come on, please. Please. No, no, no, no, no. Yes? Yeah! Peeing the door open. I beat you. You're trash! Oh, sorry. Hello there, bulky boy. No one saw anything. Alright, he's getting pretty close. That, you know what? That wasn't as bad. If you notice, I was a lot calmer than I was when I did the normal mode. That's because I knew where these guys were. And I actually admitted the fact that I am bad at games. We'll be fine. Alright, how do I do this? I forgot how to flashlight! Also, what? I wanted to see what would happen. I gotta dodge all of these fun time foxes. Are you kidding me, game? You expect me to do this? Alright, let's do it, man. That's a little bit. And that is a big... Well, this should be easy, because I can see her eyes. Hey boys, do you think my strategy of eyes goes walk forward or walk here? I'm gonna chill out here a bit. Fun time Freddy! What up, man? I got a maneuver around these doofuses. Are you joking me right now? I don't like how Baby stares at me like that. Hi. Did Baby just turn on the Fun Time Freddy, by the way? I think they did. Alright, I'm gonna chill out here now. Let's see if I back up. Does that do anything? I don't see them. I see them. Also, there's a Fun Time Foxy right in front of the exit. So what am I supposed to do about you? Do I gotta maneuver around this? I really gotta maneuver around this Fun Time Foxy. Really, I wasn't that bad. Ah, yes, that's a disappointment. Yes, my favorite represents me. So I think all we have to do now is to have one, two, three, and then whatever Night Taylor's is. So I think in the next episode we'll do for now one, two, and three, and then maybe if we have time we'll try and do whatever the heck Night Taylor's is. But it doesn't seem like it wants to show itself until we've completed everything else. We also still have only eight tapes. I really gotta find them. Like I said at the start of the video, Chicken Man 17242 has told me you want all the tapes by the end of Nightmare Mode. So, either... You know what? I'm probably gonna record another episode right after this if I'm honest. So I'd probably just text him. And if you guys don't mind, I'll ask where the locations of the tapes are. I won't tell him what do they say. I'll just text him and be like, Where are these tapes, homie? Because I only have eight out of sixteen, I think. So yeah, hopefully you guys don't mind about that. Again, he's not gonna tell me what's gonna be in them. He's just gonna tell me where they are. And maybe I may ask for a few more coins where they are located. But yeah, other than that, thank you everyone so much for watching this episode. Excited for the next episode. Well, like I said, Nightmare Mode, if not one, two and three. So thank you everyone so much for watching and I'll see you all on the flip side. Goodbye.


Live from Las Vegas, it's theCUBE, covering HPE Discover 2017, brought to you by Hewlett Packard Enterprise. Hey, welcome back everyone. We are here live in Las Vegas for SiliconANGLE meetings of CUBE's exclusive coverage for three days for HPE Discover 2017. We're on day three, down to the wire here. I'm John Furrier with SiliconANGLE, with my co-host Dave Vellante, my partner in crime with McGee Bond. Our next guest, Rick Lewis. Software-defined cloud senior vice president, president, GM of HPE. Welcome back to theCUBE. And Kate Swanworth, senior vice president, tech communications and strategic alliance, DreamWorks Animation. Welcome back as well. Great to have you guys back. It's good to be here.  Rick, you are now leading of the team for software-defined infrastructure, as we call it, programmable infrastructure. A lot of great things. Synergy we talked heavily about last year. I kind of was geeking out with you on that in terms of all that programmability and automation. Meg's story this week was simplifying hybrid IT, which is the key part of where software's coming in. That's exactly right. And so we got DreamWorks here. What's your vision and how that's going to happen? How do you take that simple message and put it into practice? Yeah, so we're completely about making hybrid IT simple. And we have three primary vectors that we're driving in order to make that happen. The first is our hyper-converged appliances that we deliver. And the second is HPE Synergy, our composable. And the third is our hybrid IT management stack software that we have. And we've got momentum across all of those. In hyper-converged, you guys know we acquired SimpliVity. It closed in February. Got a lot of customers on that. We had Red Bull on stage here at Discover talking about their use case of that in their racing. It was packed house. People completely interested in all the things we're doing in hybrid IT. That's SimpliVity Synergy. We now have almost 400 customers that have adopted Synergy. We started shipping in volume in December. And Dreamworks Animation is one of those customers. And I'm really excited for you to hear a little bit about how they're using it. But I think we had around 10 customers from Synergy across all kinds of verticals and use cases, including service providers that were on stage here. And the final thing is our hybrid IT management stack, a program that we introduced here at Discover called Project New Stack. So that's what's going on in software-defining cloud. It's a lot. And we had a SimpliVity customer on by the way. They were really lowing. Great to see that. That was a great story. Great, great story. Kate, so Dreamworks, you guys have a business. You got to put a product out there. And so you got to look at technology and make it work for you. And sometimes you got to get in the weeds, the speeds, the speeds. End of the day, you've got a product to deliver. How are you guys taking some of the things that are coming out at HPE and putting them into action? What are some of the things you're doing? Well, I think one of the things that is often surprising to people is just how much technology we consume to make a CG feature-animated film. These films take 80 million compute hours to render the images, petabytes of storage. And we're typically working on five or six active films in production because they take us four or five years to make. And so we want to be able to have the capability of releasing two or three films a year. We must have simultaneous production. But of course, not all of the productions are exactly the same. And we've also got other media opportunities, whether it's television or theme park. And so what's critical to us is that we're actually able to provision the right amount of digital resource to the right project quickly and easily so that as those creative inspirations are growing and burgeoning at the studio, we've got the resource behind it in an effortless fashion. And how are you making that happen with the synergy, for example? Because last year, we were looking at it, well, this has got a lot of potential. I mean, you could do the orchestration and making the management work kind of takes that, abstracts away a lot of the complexity. How are you guys dealing with that? I mean, how have you put that into action? Well, we've been working within a hybrid environment for years now. So the idea of a hybrid environment isn't new to us. The key, however, is that it's labor-intensive. It's time-consuming. In order to get all of the right configurations of the networking, the storage, the compute to actually work in a real-time environment for our artists, that has taken us an enormous amount of effort over the years. What we're looking for in the synergy deployment is to reduce those weeks down to days and those days down to hours. Once we're able to do that, our engineers can go off and focus on the niche technology solutions that actually matter to the artists. And that's where we want to get the business benefit. And with Synergy, compute storage and fabric, all managed under the same management domain, single API that you can get access to all those resources. So it makes it super easy. It's the world's easiest way to do infrastructure as a service. It's built into the platform natively. That's right. And one of the things that's been so impressive to us is that we've been working with the Point Next team to come in and actually configure this for our environment. Everybody uses a high-performance compute environment, but nobody's is exactly the same. The configurability of this and the customability of this to our environment has been critical and we've seen incredible benefits from that. So Rick, we kind of pushed you in the cube last year because you were saying this is nothing like this in the marketplace. And we say, well, okay, define what's different. One of the things you touched on was the fluid pools of infrastructure. Yes. And Kate, what you just described is bringing technology to different digital teams. Dynamicism, if you will. Absolutely. Being able to dynamically configure the thing. So let's test it. I mean, it sounds like that's exactly what you're doing. And how is this different than the infrastructure that you used to have? So the reason that's different is that we've got a, simply said, a single infrastructure. We've got a compute farm. We've got storage.  The problem with that is that any given day, particularly in a creative environment, maybe they're using all of it, maybe they need more, maybe they need less. The challenge is that historically, if they needed less, we can't reprovision that to another production in order to take advantage of their inspiration and their business motivations. Now we can. Now we have the opportunity to actually have the infrastructure be as dynamic as our creative environment, and that's saying a lot. So what is- You can configure those resources. Three clicks, five minutes, you literally can deprovision- So the old way they're on the net, they're like pitching and moaning. Where's the servers? And you're running around scrambling. They're on order. Yeah. There's six weeks. I mean, no, this is, we're talking about, this is about speed, right?  All right, so I want to ask you a question about the HP event. You mentioned you're here. So a lot of people go to these events and they're trying to extract only action. We heard a lot of first last year of Synergy versus big claim there. We're hearing some security stuff with servers here. As a practitioner that comes to these shows, what's your strategy when you come to an event like HP e-Discover and actually the schmooze is going on, you get wind and dine by HP, a big customer. But like when you go in there, you're like, what are you looking for? How do you connect the dots? What tea leaves do you read? What's your strategy? Well, I'll tell you, one of the things that really interests me about Discover is we've got a deep partnership with Hewlett Packard Enterprise. We're talking to Hewlett Packard Enterprise all the time. So we might actually think that we know what's going on. It's not true. There's so much innovation happening that when we bring our team to this show, we learn things that could really help our business. I'll give you a great example. So we learned this week about SimpliVity. Now we had sort of heard about it, but we had not taken our time out of our schedules to really understand how that could help our VM environment. Our team's sitting in one of the panels this week and he's texting other engineers on our team going, we have got to look at this next week at DreamWorks Animation. That's the kind of environment this is. I'll tell you something else, Newstack, we're going to lean heavy into Newstack because we believe that the innovation that we're seeing in that space is really finally going to deliver on this promise of cloud that's been out there. What's specifically about Newstack do you like? I want to just double down on that. Is it the roll your own? Is it the flexibility? What's the big thing there? Again, this is one of those things where our team today is actually writing code and creating architectures that are sort of Newstack-like, but we're having to do it. We're having to invest our own time. It's trial and error. Some of the things work, some of the things don't, and that time is not being spent focused on our animation productions. The fact of the matter is here's Hewlett Packard actually doubling down and making sure that there is going to be a robust solution that works that we can bring into our environment. We're in enterprises across the world every day. We're having these conversations and most enterprises are doing kind of roll your own cloud kind of thing. They're playing with OpenStack. They're playing with Kubernetes. They're playing with all these tools. They got a bunch of custom code. What we're really trying to do with Newstack is take the best of what they're all trying to do, constrain that down, take our standard software-defined infrastructure as the base, put a stack on top of that that they can count on to do a private cloud with bridge to hybrid capabilities that's standard, that ships, that delivers, and has updates so that they're not messing around with it. Their developers don't want to spend time doing that. They just want to have a private cloud installation that has hybrid capabilities. And have it installed. This is super relevant. This is super relevant.  You're in the film. But Dave's team just put out the true private cloud report which shows on-prem cloud-like environment, $260 billion tan. But the notable thing is that the labor costs for non-differentiated spend is going to be $150 billion shifting in 10 years. That's exactly the point here that you're talking about is my guys aren't working on the product that they need to be building. They're doing the R&D. So the OpenStack and all these things you're talking about, they're doing the R&D. Here, you're doing the R&D, delivering the product to the customer. Well, and when we deliver that, we're still going to leverage all of those technologies. OpenStack is a key part of NewStack. Kubernetes is a key part of NewStack. But what we're doing is pulling that together so that they don't have to curate their own private cloud. We create that, deliver it in a way that's an appliance-like way, just like we deliver hyperconverged today, and a control plane that manages that hybrid IT estate and gives them visibility into public cloud uses and private cloud. And it's really going to help them a lot. And it's going to help a whole lot of other customers because we're making it standard and easily deployable. Well, we've seen this story unfold over this decade where the corner office has said, I don't want to spend money on that patching and provisioning. Okay, so go to the cloud. And then IT said, well, we can't do that. Okay, and so they're going to pack an enterprise day and others say, what's the answer? Okay, but what you've described is this horizontal infrastructure capability that you can throw any workload at. That's right. And so my question is, what does it mean for the business? Does it mean you can do things faster, you have happier animators, you can do more movies? What does it mean? I think it means a couple of things. First of all, opportunity cost. In our business, a new opportunity for a creative endeavor that comes up all the time. And the key is, is that you want to be able to explore that as quickly as possible. Creative ideas work out sometimes, sometimes they don't. But the key is, is that if it takes you time and effort and money to just explore it, you've got an opportunity cost you don't want. Something like Synergy will allow us to provision resources to new ideas and new potentials quickly enough, easily enough, and at a cost effective measure so that we can actually determine which creative endeavors are going to work more quickly in our environment. That's a huge deal. So you were missing opportunities because of the infrastructure limitations, is that right? The Hawke Ups and everything, you have to get done on the CG work. Again, when our filmmakers have a new idea for a new sequence, a new character, those types of characters, they take tremendous amounts of resources. I often talk about the dragon in Shrek. Back in 2001, we released Shrek and it had this beautiful, huge pink dragon in it. And she was fantastic, but frankly, she was so complex and so computationally heavy, we actually had to cut her out of parts of the film because we couldn't produce the shots she was in. Fast forward a few years and we decided to make a movie called How to Train Your Dragon, that's nothing but dragons. The key is, is that we never want to be in a position again where we're tabling a great creative idea because we can't resource for it. And solutions like SimpliVity and Synergy and particularly where we're going with Newstack and the ability to actually harness the cloud without having to do all the work ourselves, that's going to bring that potential to reality. And then your application in this opportunity cost is for your business, other companies have apps. So their opportunity costs are very similar. This is the classic How Shadow IT was born. And people want to experiment, show proof of concept, not a PowerPoint and actual demo, a real working product. It may not have the scale there, but you get to that point of where it's workable. Every business is facing some element of this right now. And I will tell you the other reason of the two reasons that I think that this is going to make a difference. It's future-proofing our environment. The world is so dynamic right now. Things are changing so quickly. Even in our environment with media and entertainment, the world of what people want to consume and how they want to consume it and the nature of how we're looking at innovation in both filmmaking techniques as well as new media opportunities, the key in all of that is, is that we have to be dynamic in order to be future-proofed. These types of solutions give us the confidence that we're actually putting the money in the right place. It's an investment in our future. Earlier you mentioned point next services and the narrative from Hewlett Packard Enterprises, my inference is it's more cloud-like. Different types of business models. Are you seeing that? I mean, is it more than just a new name, a new brand? Are you starting to see an evolution of the way in which you engage with Hewlett Packard Services? We absolutely are. And it's one thing to talk about strategy, but at the end of the day, you don't call up your technology and have a conversation with it. You call up people. And what we're seeing is that Hewlett Packard Enterprise is investing in a level of expertise within the point next services organization that is unparalleled. That is a massive change over the course of the last five, six, 10 years. These folks are coming into our environment now and we are finding that we are inspired by their strategies. We're not having to teach them about our business. They're actually coming in with all of these other learnings that they've gotten from all of these corporations and they're looking at our ambitions and going, hey, we think we've got some ideas here. I'll tell you, our engineers are hard to impress. That's the truth. They are used to, what was your phrase, rolling it on their own? They are used to being responsible and they have very little tolerance for actually giving other people time within our organization. Point Next has blown them away. We could not be doing the work that we're doing on Synergy as quickly and as effectively, installation and strategy around that without the Point Next. Well, that's the proof. That is the proof in the pudding, in my opinion, when your people who are, I won't say cocky, but they're kind of, sounds like they're pretty cocky. But you're in a media entertainment. It is one of the most disruptive, being disrupted markets right now, smart cities, IOT, media entertainment. You're the leading trend in IT right now, media entertainment. And in our team, I mean, there's simply no tolerance at DreamWorks Animation for technology getting in the way of the business. The fact of the matter is technology always has to be enabling the storytellers, enabling the filmmakers, enabling the business ambition. And the key is that our engineering team, they feel responsible to that. One of the things that we're finding with the new Hewlett Packard Enterprise, the Point Next team, Rick's team, with the synergy deployments, is that we actually feel like we've got a partner that can up our own game. Good, for sure. And we do deep beta programs with them on everything that we're doing to make sure that we're meeting that next generation of what they need. It's a fantastic partnership. Well, Rick, congratulations on the success. And Kate, thanks for sharing all the great stories and your experience at DreamWorks Animation. Great, great to see that trend. Again, media entertainment, you guys are doing a great stuff. We're doing our share with digital TV here. We're moving on to the edge of the network with theCUBE here at HB Discover with DreamWorks Animation. I'm John Furrier, Dave Vellante. Stay with us for more day three coverage here in Las Vegas at HB Discover. We'll be right back.


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