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Yeah, cuz that's the music guy over there I'm more of a personal mental want to know know you as a person Okay, so you were born and raised here in Chicago What part So where you raised with your mom and your dad I was raised with my mom's my stepfather step Kicked in but actually I was raised raised with my great-grandmother and grandfather on my father's side Oh, yes, that's who you live with difference. Yeah, great-grandfather not even grandfather great-grandfather Great-grandmother and great-grandmother. So you have longevity in that family Dang, so you have a bless. Yes. Whoo. Yes wisdom. So how comes you were raised with them and not mom and dad? Well, my mom's was there my mom's was there. Okay, um, and it was a lot of I should say balanced Being amongst the older crowd. Mmm. Yeah, you know the older crowd, which is grandmother and great-grandmother on the father side Though I never knew my mother on my My mother's mother. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Okay, but she was living you didn't know her Okay, um, and your dad where was your dad during this time? You know, he was a rolling star You know, but I knew okay I knew me came came in and out of my life Came when it was important. Yeah. Okay, but I had a stepfather who drew gifts out of me My first love was gymnastics. He drew that out of me. You could do all them tumbling and all that Yeah, that was my first love.  You know, he was just different But hold on but back in the day as a male black gymnast right trying to How did you ever get teased? No How come because My father my father was a pillow of the of the community So by him being a pillow of the community what he did people followed You know, so he built this gymnastic team that we used to go places in tumble. Mm. Yeah Okay, so when did you fall out of love? With that when you found the music when I found but before the music it was footwear You know, Chicago is big on help uh help house for it. Okay. Yeah. So it's thing called. We they call it footwork So we used to I used to go to certain Places and areas man and do footwork and that's a dance. Yeah, we used to battle money. Yes Or are you any good? Oh, I was the best. Was it like house? It's not house music.  I was the best The best I'll tell you you can still do it.  I don't know if I'm gonna get on my head, but I'm gonna be prepared to The other day was talking about footwork when y'all were talking about but it was y'all Memphis got something to do No, it's different No, it's different. They call it they call Memphis footwork Juke and or something. Juke. Yeah. All right. Sure do. Yeah, so So your footwork different is all is it like step? No I want to know what I want to know what it's footwork. It's a lot of moving. It's a lot of energy It's a lot of energy. They still do it today. Oh man. They getting paid for it now I'm talking about big time paid for it now Really? Yeah, you gonna have me googling this trying to figure out what Chicago it's called footwork footwork. Yeah, definitely. Look it up I promise you they getting paid big time for it now Like of my days, I was just going from club to club battle Man see our siblings brother and sister. It's nine of us four girls five boys two passed away Where do you fall in the nine eighth child? Oh, so you almost like so you are you the last boy? Yeah, I'm the I'm I'm second to the last second to the last boy. Okay. Yeah, dang Big family. So how did it feel growing up in such a big family? We was we was all uh active all my sisters. They all won like trophies for pump pump cheerleading. Hmm. My brothers Won trophies for shooting pool and things to that name. So everybody was always active So you had a well structured family Nobody got overlooked because you know with a big family somebody Right get overlooked or who was the quiet usually the quiet one the quiet one We sit to the side and then the louder one is the ones that get all the attention and whatever So you didn't have any of that. No, everybody was doing something My brother who passed away in 96 Was was on his way to the NBA Wow. Yeah, so, uh You know these streets, but these streets that grab you You know when uh some streets show you something different if you go for it, you know, that's just a devil saying like and that's what happened to him Dang, it's crazy, right? See and I was just about to ask you because Chicago when people think about Chicago You had to think about the food the scenery and all but think about the gangs and all of that So I was trying to figure out what nine kids did any of them succumb to the streets.  I was paying attention to they writes I was paying attention to so they was no, they was writing out a blueprint for me and didn't even know it Didn't even know they didn't even have to tell you stay out of the street. You just knew not to yeah, but by having a Uh a relation a real close relationship with moms In that form of fashion Whatever she said I stood by Yeah, because I knew She'd been through it already something something within me Say man, she didn't been through it already and she never broke it down and told you the stuff that she'd been through She didn't have to You can see it in her You know, you uh, don't get your ears pierced. I ain't even asked her why Really, you were one of those kids one of those kids don't put no tattoos on I ain't even asked her why So you don't have no tattoos. No nothing After I got up in my age I had to ask something that was meaningful if I was gonna do it because I felt like I was going against her rules What did you get? Uh songs 91 Okay songs 91 in the falcon a thousand may fall to the left 10,000 may fall to the right, but you will fall now Mm. Yeah Protection protection I like that So, um I always ask I know that you said your dad was there every now and again But do you think Looking back on your life now because when you're a child you don't ever see this But as you get older and have kids for your own you might see Because he wasn't there. I know you had the foundation of your great-grandparents But because your father was not there. Do you feel like that affected you anyhow? Yeah, how? Because it was certain it was certain times and places I needed them, you know to ask questions I needed to be able to ask questions that you know, you know the father can answer, you know, and um The fact that that he wasn't there when I when once I got older and uh moved forward I said, okay, he was going through something. Mm-hmm because I'm going through And he can understand so I can understand I could truly understand, you know, so Uh, I had to forgive myself first and then forgive him for not being there And then once you get old enough dealing with females and relationships You realize because people always like until you're put in that situation I know that's your mom and that's your family, but you don't see certain things unless you're that man You know what I mean? So now as you got older and being in relationships, you understand why sometimes it don't work or sometimes You know what I mean? Yeah. Yeah, I mean, um relationship sometimes we Say it like If you remove self self And remove the emotions and things of that nature And understand that when you're in a relationship and if it whatever it is that the problem is not you or the other person You both about both of y'all are against the problem. So that's that's the solution of it all Your baggage and my baggage don't got nothing to do with how we attack it together Really really and it's your perspective and if you can just come understand that you both have a different perspective It might come in towards the same answer But just how you see it and sometimes you end up arguing over such rubbish Right and I realize that y'all are saying the same thing It's it's uh communication is something else. Yeah, it's big. It's big value. Yeah So now you get older. So tell me I mean Speak to the younger you right now in the camera speak to the younger you who Father wasn't there during certain times Um that you needed him Speak to that child out there who going through situations now trying to face decisions as a child But have to deal with it as an adult type of person But there's still a child. You know what I mean? How can they tackle all of that and still be able to remain a child and not say, okay Skip this section and I'm not a man. Would you really not because you mentally you're not Uh The younger me I will always tell him to keep god first That's the first thing second thing is is that put everything in perspective write it down and make it plain Once you write it down and make it plain Put your faith on it, but put your actions behind it Once you put your actions behind it, you'll manifest anything. Nothing that's impossible That's what I'll be saying to the younger me. Wow Because you didn't feel that way when you were younger. You felt like I had to find that Yeah, I had to find that That's good. I like that. Wow. So Man the music man We're gonna get into it a little bit like you guys when I first seen y'all man y'all was on the come up man Y'all wasn't playing no games I gotta ask you about twister though. It seemed like y'all was so closely knitted, you know up front Like how did you guys even how did y'all even link? Uh, we we we all from the west side y'all from the west side the same area on the west side Give me the story like how did y'all just use how did y'all how did y'all come to music? Like we're on the same time and everything but twister was already in it. His name was tongue twist at the time Yeah, um, he was already rightfully so Time to listen I used to be on the block with the guys and we um We had a astro band with billy's on it listening to twister music, you know, so I'm like, oh man The astro vans were crazy.  I'm thrilled man But it's so crazy that you're from texas and he's out here But it's still the same It's crazy, but the but the but that van was different because it had more room in So I'm looking at the nigga in the van like, okay.  Yeah, we man it was one of my friends van I just used to ride I was riding. Yeah, that was cool. You know, but listening to the music And listening to twist. I'm like, oh, okay this twist uh and to Start taking music serious And seeing them. I'm like, okay I'm seeing them now. So I feel like that's a part of manifestation When you begin to think about something And you begin to get in the mix of it and it become begin to come towards your way Yeah, part of manifesto. It's part of manifestation. I need to tell you right right in series. Wow So so what when y'all first how did y'all all three come together? uh You be low and what? No, that's my no. Yeah. Yeah. No, man. No, y'all brother be low been a uh a friend of ours Since teenage, okay, you know, so we grew up together 13 14 years old. Okay. So, uh, man, and we We became serious about it Writing music and just taking it serious one of my cousins came through one day. Say, man What y'all want to do? I say you serious.  Yeah, that This year. Yeah, I always look around. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So that that took a lot away from that's big Yeah, because sometimes, you know, it's hard for people to get out them streets, man Like a person don't want to let it go and people don't realize it's a rush like when you demand like like I'm be honest with you I thought I had a control problem. Like I nigga. I run the hood. Like I'm I'm that guy like when you see me Like, yeah, I got it and you niggas know already. I got it and when I pull up Respect it and if you don't I'm gonna make you respect because I got I got things going on.  You know what I'm saying And they always said the main reason why people don't want to get out of streets because They make more money in the street than they do when they go It can be addictive it can be addictive. Yeah, you know making that type of money can be addictive, but right But the reputation. Yeah, the power. Yeah, it's way more more intriguing. Am I right? You're right They said what what a man with power want more power.  I mean, what was going that was a crack error Yeah, that was that was a crack error That was the reason I did get out to another one of the big reason the first reason I got out is because I made a A bond with God saying come on now God if you can take me over here I said I remember all this And he did it. I removed the cars I sold everything So now here I am Feeling like I have nothing but I now I got everything Because now I've made this agreement with God and now we're on the same page. So I know that mean I'm I'm on my way now Because I made a agreement with God Man, you ain't got that that's a vile and ecclesiastics change my life, man So listen, all I'm saying is I'm thinking about Grandma, I'm thinking about great grandma. I'm thinking about great grandpa being raised like that would give you that type of a spirit Everybody can't think like that. They won't think like that It had to be something there to make you feel comfortable with the chat with the change over You see what I'm saying. I don't believe it. Yeah, everybody don't have that Because in you right because that's the reason cats going coming out of jail still trying to Had that old life back and that's the reason they going back and forth. That's right Yeah, they trying to get that old life back and you can't get it.  I was locked up with that nigga had a lttd. He thought that thing was still poppin What's the lttd? That picture right there, nigga. You see the lttd when I get out nigga that lttd You don't know what the lttd is, but it's a long it's a forward It is a long car. It can be four or two though and that thing nice, man But if the ac blowing coca back then you might or might not have some ac If you see the one that now, that's a dad give away You have to fix it.  So like like when you guys Basically, uh, y'all was basically coming up like what was the first thing that the song that made y'all feel like We got something. Oh man. We had a song called no love. I still got the tip. Look out now It was called no love and the streets was planted.  Is that this That's no love. Look at how they playing it say that That was a that was a reinsurance from god. Yeah. Yeah saying The fact that you put that down. I I got you. I got you That was that was a reinsure. I'm getting emotional. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.  What else were you doing now? How old were you when you was going through all of this? I was my early 20s See, see and that's a blessing to be able to tap in with that side at that young because a lot of time People have to go through a whole bunch of stuff to get to get and get older To get to that point. You remember when I was in Rhode Island We dropped our daughter off at brown here about a month ago And I met them young men in the mall shout out to them young men that I met with all them tattoos in your face Did y'all promise me if anything go down up there y'all have my back niggas? Okay, them niggas one of them On the side. I know what you're gonna say had a big old bible He had a bible not a beeper niggas not a phone Not a gun Bible and he kept it on me. Say I'm trying not to do wrong man I keep this bible here. They know it man. They be laughing at me But I keep this bible on me. I read I try to figure it out, but he had it and it wasn't no little one It was one like that whole took up this whole side And I felt that nigga man. I say man, you gonna figure it out. Yeah, you definitely gonna figure it out He's gonna figure out all of him. He I'll never forget that young man Because of that bible he had on him at the mall because you don't ever see that after this Say that's the first time I ever met somebody with a bible on them like that a big bible In his side not in his pocket down his belt You know what I'm saying? Some people would I normally had a gun? Yes, and he showed it to me They let you know somebody planted a seed. That's what I was getting at somebody planted a seed And he knew he even though he was Wavering wavering that seed was more a little more stronger. That's why he had that bible come on man Come on, man I was just proud to see somebody because I talked that word I teach the word I can tell people about genesis revelation, but he was trying to get it out here in the free world He didn't have to bump his head like I did He didn't have to go over here and have to go through this situation He had it on him. I don't know what he went through, but it couldn't have been You know, he wasn't locked up or nothing He's just out here in the free world with a big old bible on his left side instead of a big old pistol But you know how many people he touched just like he touched you How many people he touched it was just by having that who look at him and probably stereotype him and when they realize What it is that he have Shocked out of their mind Man, yeah, that's true. That's true. So you basically man, like I said, you got it You figured that our early is what you're telling me. Yeah, you figured out.  You ain't gotta tell me you know To the tape pop to the tape Right push that plate and a song came on called miss. Okay David Oliver I said man be like we probably need to get the tracks to replay this So we take it to the studio Have tracks to replay it Um, we start coming up with the hook As we coming up with the hook we was like we need somebody to sing this my childhood friend Johnny P Who's singing on the hook uh, uh, poepin um One out one of our mutual friends go say ma'am. We're gonna go get this singer now. We don't even know his Johnny Okay, so we're going to get this thing. I'm like, man. I hope this nigga's saying We get that Johnny walk out. I saw man I said, it's my childhood friend He said yes. Yeah, Johnny getting out. He's seen so happen next day. We go downstairs Uh, we were going in the flea market place called flea market We going downstairs twister coming up and I see him. I said twisted me. I want I want you to get on this song He said what song I say it's it's called poepin. He said send it to me, man. I'll get on it Send it to him. Yeah, put this on it. How did he sit? How did he oh that? How did he send it?  We're gonna get it done. Yeah So that's what he meant. I said it to him, you know back then Man, he got it man. He wrote his verse We got up and he jumped in the truck. He said his verse to us. I was like What do you mean? I need like three or four more bars. He was like, I said well, let's just say po Pi mp Olive and he said he said he said I'm finished. I said, let's go man. He really did lay this verse The next thing, you know, man, I went out took twist go get his last check and Got my mom's out of her car that she was driving for like four years So it was to get the last check where? From the job, he was working at the time. He working. Oh, po. Pimp. No. Yeah, he was working. Where was he working? Do you remember? I don't remember, but it was in the suburbs. It was in the suburbs You took him over the ol factory building somewhere. I said, nigga, no no sign on it. Just Yeah, I took him over with his last check, man. And he walked back out of there like it's so it's so Yeah, and it's been on ever since That's huge. That's what god do man. That's beautiful, bro Yeah, so so when you when did when did when did that first time you heard it on the radio? That old was jumping took it out coming every since day one mixed and mastered mixed and master Look at my wife, nigga mixed and mastered She owned it, man Look at the crazy now. Here's the crazy part the radio station chicago didn't want to play. They didn't want to play it. They didn't want to play it. Why? Hating on the hating on the real players exactly hating on some youngsters trying to come up. Um, so happy We get with rap a lot j prince Uh, and j at this time j prince was over at virgin. Okay, you know I'm saying and The they so smart. They was being so smart over at virgin. They said man. Look, that's what we're gonna do We're not gonna get w you know the radio's the only one said they and said the radio station We're not gonna give them the rights to jenny jackson if they don't play pimp What a strategy to use What a strategy to use and show enough I'm riding Roosevelt coming coming across the bridge And I hear But i'm saying to myself, man, why I got this tape in It's the radio Once again, that was that was reassurance that god said I said i'ma do what I said And it's gonna do so You don't just meet j prince. How do y'all have ties to get to j prince at that time? Did y'all know because I know chicago love j prince and embrace the ghetto boys How did y'all how did y'all link with him? How did y'all, you know make that connection? So Uh a show Okay, fifth ward juvenile boys fifth boy doing doing a show Uh, I grabbed my mom's car. This this is in the beginning of it Grab my mom's car. We get in my mom's car shoot over to the place Nobody in it So fifth ward juvenile boys, you know didn't pack the place. Nobody in it but still ain't yet I said if we I told the group if we finna perform Let's perform like it's a million of people's in here That's what we did got on stage performed like it was a million of people's in the place As we performed card to joshua from rappelot handed us a card Say here Looked at the card Called him told him to bring us down. Wow.  What was the conversation like when they when they said they wanted y'all to sign? Do you talk to jay or did y'all straight to jay? And we talked straight to jay and jay said man. We want y'all to come join the rappelot family Yeah, he didn't say it like that jay said. Yeah, I want y'all to come Know what it is man Y'all got the album. We got the hits. Let's do it man.  Oh man pass excited because You had the ghetto boys. That's it. Scarface like Man and just to see face listening to all face music and then being able to be a label me man. Come on Man, that's that's that's that's a cat dream, man So but that was just you and and your bro. It was you it was just y'all three just us three Twista, he was already signed twisted signed over to uh seawall He did uh the company that we was dealing with with pope him. Yeah, he signed over to them. Okay. Okay. And man, you know, that's correct Did y'all ever come back together?  We work. We actually working right now That's an awesome. Now. Really? I got a new album out called screaming with shocks. You and who? Uh, man twister we working right now. Really? I got a solo album out right now called. I seen that shocks. Yeah So he on tour the joints got two videos with it and and um Let me say it man Me and chico being was talking last night, man We just texted back for because it was I that was my first time meeting a person a person, you know Really facing man. We and man. That's enjoyed out each other company. He was like, man We need to work. I was like, man, what he black if I can sit you in anything. Let me know I'm like, let's work Let's let's work that nigga talent to do very. I told him I said, man I said boy, you got a ill that nigga wrapped on boss talk one on one on these microphones, man He don't know every pimp song pimp see he like me. I'm a pimp see fan That nigga boy that nigga better than me and him. We own it.  Hey, man I am no I was like, I just think away from dc and loving pimp see like this man He'd know his music, bro. No one knows his music. I said boy, you got a ill for music, man Yeah, I said, man, that's scary. Like he was standing on stage, man And he was just going through the songs But you could tell he knew the power that the the artist possessed making that song because the way he was Introducing it to the crowd.  That's boy.  I enjoyed this show Them niggas crazy. Is that your first time seeing their show? That was my first time seeing it. You know in person life Yeah, man, they got a unique way that they do it. Nobody does it like them. Yeah Okay, but like when you think about just the music, man, y'all being in the Midwest, man People not really knowing y'all for music, man How hard was it to get off them under that cloud? You know what I'm saying? Like this I think crucial conflict. It wasn't many people from over here doing music like that, bro Yeah, and they they did y'all feel it. Yeah, you felt that You felt every bit of that them saying Uh, man that music don't come out of here. This this a city of consumers. That's right.  So, you know, the more music to come out of here The more you could tell that They didn't understand what was here.   Yeah, we proved them wrong. Proved them wrong. Like I said, the south was the same way like Proved them wrong. Yeah, you know those what was so dope about the south man The south when we was going down now they was playing Uh Their own music for sure. That was so dope to me and then by the time I get to chicago I'm sitting there saying That's three months ago Well in the south, yeah, they play their own music that was Man, I gotta say it and that's why I I say man the powers that be man They come in and corrupt things man Because when the south played it when when cities play their own music, they own artists, man That looked good on the city and I don't think that's right. No, that's real That's real. You know, I got mad at us because of the we The Houston Dallas connect and even the even east Texas like They had this they would sell the the the real one the real tape then they sell the screw tape And we were killing the game with that Out of love the way the marketing strategy was with that even though I was buying both of them You know what I'm saying, but they wanted to be like everybody else has seen, you know, they That that crossover thing, but the south had something that where they would double dip and they would you could sell us something twice I'm a hustler. Yeah, the double up real with me Man the triple up think about it So if they did not look that everybody else what they was doing and stayed true to what they really was doing It was a cold lick. Yes, sir.  I'm trying to wait on that one I'm gonna get both, you know, I might ride screw. I might ride, you know, the regular Just how I feel You know, and I think they should have stuck with that for a little longer That would have made a difference, you know, but when it gets too good to you start making moves that you don't have to necessarily make That's it. That's it. So who else did I mean y'all had some Man y'all had a litany of people up here not to mention our kelly was up here Y'all had man listen y'all had it going on for a minute and the bulls kept winning niggas You took out uh sitting on the floor. I'm saying Michael Jordan play It was different when it what do you say to people that say that LeBron was better I'm just saying I know that story man. I'm old so they ain't gonna believe me.  Mike now was getting knocked down Oh, and he's still fighting his way to that gold man. Come on, man. Different animal, man Different different animal all together man. You can't take nothing from LeBron, but you tell I start to my might different animal Bro, I was at a party last night and uh listening to some music. I said man. They up here. They're gonna play that R. Kelly That's what I was asking They played A lot of places stop playing him So they played that whole man that went in yeah, I'm just gonna be honest with you That whole went in because you can't come on. You can't you can't look they played it right out the guy Mm-hmm. You hear me. Yeah Even though Don't go, baby Look, you know what they've said though, right? because they they felt like uh R. Kelly Stowe era Aaron Hall's style, you know a lot. That's the whole conversation He perfected it though. If he did still he perfected it to another level. I mean, but that's that's how you build yourself Taking pieces from here taking pieces from that piece. That's how you build yourself So how can you not build if you don't see nothing to mimic? It was a lot of people crying. You got to understand man Jive even had Joe over there crying about him being overshadowed. You know, I'm just gonna be real man You know, Joe was a bad dude, but R. Kelly was a different type of beast. I don't want to get into this Ain't no When you I mean when you took my writing saw this man was writing for Selena de uh But they say you couldn't write. I can't never figure this part out, bro What are you doing? Remember anything? Go behind the mic. Hey um Let me get into this. Uh, okay Record this Hold up Mm-hmm Uh That's what it was going on man. He was telling him. He was man. He was super talented. Didn't need no paper Punching it like punchin it. Yeah, that's punching in Hard with it though I mean, we did two songs with R. Kelly on the um the self-titled do d. Apple Man, it's being in the studio watching like I think you're going there handling it out Man, he make look we're doing the video to magic check and You know how people that say say the words to the video so we can make sure you know, you're not lip-syncing, right? man, R. Kelly was He was letting the song say what it was gonna say And then went behind it and said I need you as the camera person to line it back up Man, I said that's different. I was like, oh, that's too dead Wow, the man was saying the words when he heard the words he'll say it behind it And tell me line it all back up then say it behind it And then it tell them line it up And you know, he'll be right on point Boy, this I already know I already know no question about it. I never see nobody like it It'll never be another It'll never be another the only verse where I had issues with Somebody maybe getting close to being pimp see out in the on the song Was R. Kelly was R. Kelly On that when he said it must be the first man to fall in love with I want to go down on my end Boy You listen to me this is serious bro Pimp see different Pimp see different man and and and what was so dope about Pimp see that I love He had just got out No, I was down in Houston and he was shooting with ti. I think it was and um On that front back. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, he was shooting with ti and um He said hey, man, I did a feature for somebody man. And it was a style y'all had he was like, man I had to use that. You know, I'm talking He said man, but listen to it. I got in the car and I listened to I was like I said boy, you snap Yeah, boy, that nigga wild wasn't pimp man pimp gonna do pimp and and see he showed you just believe in yourself That's hard. That's it. That's man. Just believe in you man That's big.  We'll shut this whole day I Know because you gotta understand man when you hear this dude in the way He was getting around all of those and and planting, you know instruments and just getting around these verses like he was doing You don't see nobody just y'all different man. The whole that whole era Is something to be respected and recognized, bro You know what I'm saying that fast style y'all had though man.  Yeah, yeah, they was harmonizing the music and things of that nature But people's like how they were it's not clear, but they called it's cold. I felt like it was just cold period cold period Yeah, but when we came through that boy, seven double low p.m. Fly love to them Come on man. Give it to me. See grim trolling on the weekend touching all my full film moving to the back Let me see who peeping this pope pimp spring to the phone with a slow limp in the trip Thou sht with three one two seven six two when they was like Man, I gotta say it man Texas Thank y'all man. You a man. We love it. That was a embrace But we you would rap a lot y'all we had this up y'all anyway, man That was a big y'all killed it anyway. Y'all deserved it, bro Yeah, that was a big embrace that man. That that was that was different. What did you think we heard? Mike Jones used that that verse that he said I smiled because it was You knew it I mean we and we it was it was great to be able to hear somebody say your name I influenced that person I influenced that's all I'm saying and um like a lot of guys that we run across like 21 savage one day He was this he was playing on smoking ride I was like He won't let you know. Yeah. Yeah. There's a lot of guys man come across man. They play the music man I influenced them but the one thing it's one thing to play the music But Mike Jones been going through a thing where they've been taking that tipping on four folks And they remade it by four different people in le chopper All of them to remade it, but they didn't give rights to it. He's been snatching them down All of them and they've been into it about that He said because they ain't clearing it and they don't them. Y'all still saying you hating on us But it's business too, though It's all business it business y'all got the you got to respect him and go through the right channels and doing it You gotta get it cleared man.  They got seven million dollars. They waited ti got out the way I Remember that but they got paid. Yeah, they got paid man It'll go in this and then go on put that paper on there and it's up.  I'm gonna get back and I'm gonna I'm for the do some more And and it's solo, right? Yeah solo below below We had just did an album called the pass out. Okay, right? So An album. I mean, it's doing wonderful. We got a song on that called a hotel room. That's doing millions of streams. Wow So after that below was like, amen Let's do some solo album. I was like, no He was like, no, let's do some solo albums man. I said, okay, but Once I start something I'm off to the you own it. So Now, you know swimming with sharks. It was like every song I started writing I'm jumping up at five in the morning going into the workout with my trainer coming out of there seven in the seven in the uh A.m. I'm in the studio. Wow. You know what I'm saying? So these songs is coming to me now clear man So man, I wrote eight songs Listen to them. I said, yeah, let's go Twist the jump on two of them. I had a young guy named devil woods man.  I know when I talked to bun he told me about uh, you know, just it's a different case scenario where a pimp ain't never coming back Versus doing them by itself when he knew, you know, he was coming back when he's getting out of prison Like like how was it just for you even on the lighter level just working in the studio? You know by yourself and doing it by yourself. Was it cool? Yeah, it was Different it was uh My mind said it's different I'm more like a I act like the whole group is still in the studio. Okay. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, I didn't write them So when I'm writing a song I feel like I'm writing for do it that not a k up do it that You know, okay, okay, I feel like I'm doing a do it that song Wow, you know what I'm saying? So that's how I was writing and um Every time a song come out, I'll shoot it over twist and this to this. Tell me what you think twist that should go hard Okay, cool When I gave it to chico bean last night. I said, look it up. He looked it up. He said He gave me back on the text. It said he said man This song you got on here It's called roll up.  I feel like there you go That's all. Yeah, so so the confirmation. Yes, uh always wow confirmation Come from self first god self and then other people. That's hard.  Yeah being humble and and um Just knowing what you what who you are and what you're worth. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah So when you know who you are, you can walk into any room Man, you know when I came up here, I like to say I'm here for Larry Hoover Junior's birthday. He but he asked me to come up and I came up and we've been we've been kicking it, man For the last three days ever since this birthday. I've been here kicking it with him and you know, it's been a sweet because of Larry Hoover being locked up for 50 years. I think about both scenarios Um, you know just over the years What are your thoughts on just his dad and being freed, you know, well When you're that powerful People want to take you out of position uh but If the shoe was on the other foot Wouldn't you want uh your family member to be able to embrace their children? you know, so A lot of this is is built on What we don't want to see Because when you once again when you that powerful uh And you can uh say hey look You guys need to go read books And people begin to read books Who want that? Wow Especially not people who oppose the people who read those books and they don't look like that That's a changer when you can actually express that to not just the older but the younger Yeah, and literacy is everything because that's where you gain knowledge. Yeah. Wow. Yeah, I just like I said, I Man, you know when I sit back and I think about just you know The whole movement of chicago man and them going, you know trying to push the growth and development You know getting away from all of the the hurrah and all that You know, it's just it's a different, you know, it's a different time man And a 21 or 25 year old larry Hoover versus a 71 or 72 come on man. Come on man.  I say but what it is like Come on mom. Yeah, you can't do that and don't expect anything back Yeah, that's real. That's real. You can't do that. Yeah And don't expect it may not happen. Right. Yeah.  Yeah, it's coming. It's coming So somebody have to somebody have to be accountable for that. That's right. What you read what you saw read what you saw Right. So them suing like they suing and doing this to his family and doing them like that It's gonna have to be somewhere down the line. You're gonna pay for because the man up above Come on man.  I don't let none of that ride See y'all know all That's real. Yeah, see y'all know all he ain't gonna let the all that you can't let that ride Y'all know what y'all doing That's so real man Because you know the things that Have happened If you that's just like telling the person we don't forgive you Wow That's that's what they say and we don't forgive you basically You know and and and if the man forgave itself and want to change So why y'all can't do why y'all can't do it? Y'all that means y'all mindset Is not really for the people because y'all say y'all for the people Y'all the powers that be right? That's real. So that means that at the end of the day What y'all say On uh book paper whatever y'all write it on and i'm standing by this and y'all still don't want to let me out I'm telling y'all i'ma change man Then I wouldn't accept it because It's it's not about what's really being said on this paper If you don't want to accept it It's bigger than that. Yeah, it's bigger than that It's bigger than that. It's bigger than that because think about it. It's been many people Let go of out of prison a lot of them and some of them were worse of cases than he is yes so Why is this case? So, you know held bound like why y'all hold it onto this case like that Don't make sense man. Yeah And they They want it not to make sense. That's it.  To the end today's time. Yeah, it's different. Everybody get a chance to have a voice now Everybody get a chance to have a voice now. Yeah, you know what I'm saying now It's the time to where it's everybody's supposed to connect and Become as one voice compared to you know, I'm saying It's great to have everybody have a voice things of that nature But when we can bring it together and have one voice And everybody's saying the same thing on the same page A lot of things can change man. Mr. Servant told me when he sat down with me in New Orleans. He said, uh It's different because now Yalla, I will be to yalla. I will go six in parks. He say Black media is to where We can tell our own story to our people. Yeah From our own perspective. Yeah, which is power. Yeah, it's very powerful. Because that was the part they would they was That was the part they wanted to take from us again You know, I'm saying not to be able to speak.  Now what you say can be held against you Oh, man, you see it. Don't you see? Something that was struggling with this man Everybody just doing it the right way.  I didn't say that or I said that and I didn't mean I remember when I Interviewed ice tea. He was like, I ain't gonna say nothing about park because last time I said something about park It was like not what I mean Yo, it was not me. It was taking the wrong way So you have to be careful on what you speak on and how you speak on it Because a clip can be taken and spiraled so many different ways so many different ways and I I won't say but it's something I see things sometime I'll be like frustrated like if you like we edit this stuff We know this stuff going to cause certain impacts when you get good at it and some things people put out I would never put out. Yeah, if I know it's going to affect somebody Could cause harm to somebody that's either incarcerated or somebody who's lost a loved one If I purposely I'm not going to do that. Yeah, but some people would just for the clicks That's what I'm saying and people don't do the research though because just like how you see clips of certain things You know, it came from somewhere So go to that page and watch the full interview Get a full understanding instead of seeing that one minute clip and get your you know what I mean And they started reading comments. They say this this is this but if you got the full picture then I'll give you one better than that and even the ai is using they're using a lot now too That's even more scary because now they got somebody over narrating something It sounds real professional and it sounds like it could be the truth when it's totally not even a true thing You've seen this I know you're like damn this I had koc on my show man and he said something about Something about his contract if you had to do over again, it was very light. It wasn't even bad. What did he said it? It was very It was just a conversation. There wasn't no ill will meant Man somebody took my clip off of my page and took it and went and took it took him talking over that And said a few things and then let him say just something and boom Off to the races off to the races It went up to about four or five hundred thousand views and it it takes some people off I heard I got phone calls about and I was like I ain't even It ain't even nothing that he even said And it was just like damn man. Like you got to be careful people to do anything, bro. Yeah, yeah, man This is time of trial and error.  Can you see those people? They heard something and all of a sudden they had social media Da da Didn't really mean to but what happened the thing that gets me is Some of these people are older people who know the difference between just picking up the phone and calling somebody Resolving it away from social media rather than going social media and blasting the person Why are you doing it this way? Because If you if you seeing people Majority of your life in front of a camera and a camera do something to you, right? And you ain't never had that attention on you before This is a great time for me to get some attention. Wow. Wow. This is a great time. Hey, no charlie Buddy Back to you said man, I didn't say You know, but no you to put it out there now and that's what it is man. A lot of people Getting this type of power never had it before so when you know that attention is It's yeah, we talked about it. It's a drug. It's a drug man I think like like when I when I look back and and I look at the city man You guys up here. It's a totally different ball game, man, but you guys are so influential that I remember Biggie nim Biggie sampled something and I did something that was kind of close to something y'all had done. Yeah, what was that all about? Let's talk about that. That was a r.r.p. The biggie. Yeah, biggie man biggie one of the cats Came before as we stand on his shoulders one one of the crazy parts of it is Mace said man, they're gonna be mad at me He spelled Bentley be entee le why I said Wait a minute rewind that oh So And when biggie said I'm in danger us and you too many of them hang with us labor. Look Listen to the ride scheme 700 p.m. Fly love to them in a bm sipping seed grim I'm in danger us hang with us They know angel does so listen to the ride scheme and if you listen, it's a three scheme ride scheme And that's what that's what chicago brought to the table. We was we was rhyming with three words two words instead of just one He used your style. There was a star. That was the style that was that was so dope All been dangerous. Yes. Now do that other part again So it's have a double o p.m. Fly love to them. It's in a bm sipping seed grim Two and a wee stem touching on my foe. All that was rhyme Got it double ride scheme I'm in danger us came too many of them hang with us That's the style man But it did he hear it it was y'all what how did he end up? Was it something y'all was it working together? No, so so here um Now I don't I don't like saying here to say but I remember uh when we was talking to Kanye Okay Yay was uh trying to get in tune with us Because um biggie he said biggie wanted to do a song. Okay, you know what I'm saying? So I'm pretty sure Man pope him was one of the one of the bigger and this let me know pope him one of the biggest songs in the hip hop was because we was We was in new york Fam we was in new york and you know new york. Yeah, and bt No, we doing the bt thing, but they was walking paths like this He's niggas man That's how they do it But it but it was fun. I love it was funny to us because No, as as as young guys in the hip hop game.    Yeah Yeah, yeah, but but it was a it was a time when it was you know, like I said I'm a old-school rap type nigga now.  Bismarck. He's this was the era, man These are phases, bro. Yeah, but then that phase hit In the midwest that phase hit in the south. It didn't the west first After they left that gangster music man.   Oh man. He took it to another 88 89 You know already what time it was. Yeah, short and we can't forget he 42, but but short dog man I was a short dog fan, bro. Yeah short head man. You took my speaker's way Man some speakers blowing out the car Man, come on man. That's why we that band got right when you put that drop in there That ain't no way they said they heard you coming before you got man. Come on So I get it that was that phase with then when you talking about when you get to new york It's shifting. Yeah, because it's shifting because now The south because you got to remember Jay Jay prince no went down to new york and stayed down there for us months. Yeah, I remember him saying that and um They didn't take a liking to what was going on and jason man.  Nope We never Other than bt, you know that we never perform in new york. You can pick it up, bro. It's all right uh, we did uh That boy will want to hear that stuff. Okay, we did uh, uh, what's that's called? Um The hip hop award with j prince They uh, j prince jamane the pre we did that. Yeah. Yeah, you know I'm saying came out on that and that was big too, man Because that was for the south and it was just crazy man. How uh, the south was being represented that way man And I was I was like, yeah, we're part of this We're actually a part of the hip hop world for the south That's made it dope for me man. Like man, we could we get a chance to represent two cities at one time We loved it. We loved it. Y'all gave us so much man. Oh man.  There's barbershop talk. He was like, man Kiki couldn't even go in uh, and I'ma say this kiki couldn't even go in the booth with it Can't even be in the studio with eminy. Am I saying nigga?  What you think gonna happen? Man, look A lot of people think like, you know The the rap world is caught up on lyrics things of that nature Man, but the instant people that got charisma know how to finesse words, man Oh Right, man, if you listen to some of the rap right to today right now Think about what these young guys saying and really listen to it. You'd be like, what is they saying? They finessing the crew and they they they have some charisma to where they can finesse the words to the point where They're not even saying nothing, but the same thing over for two minutes But you're gonna they jam it but they jamming you they To yeah, it's like wait a minute. This is two minutes two minutes song no more than two two minutes 30 seconds Think about it. They said a hook twice eight bars and they get out of there. Wow It's always it's over with and even two minutes.  People are talented, man Yeah, and it hands down people are talented and I don't think to get the credit sometimes people deserve And that goes for them to credit dope dope What do you do?  You'd be feeling like man I really don't want to do but put that music in it's going down You up it's going down man Man, I don't like I said, what's your top three artists of all time? This something we do on the show top three artists of all time dead or live any john That's what we do on boss talk 101. So why give it up a cake out to get up Man, bro, you gonna put me in that this top three it may change, you know, I try to get y'all away I may change another day on but today who is your top three? It ain't no specific order One number. I gotta go with ice cube ice cube. We talked about you made ice cube Yeah, that's that's that's you gotta give it ice cube. So if that's that's what we we gotta get in We want to interview him. He has so much information. He cannot load that's mentor there. Um Face face.  Um that really inspired me True face And you know what? I'll be lying if I say he didn't Because he just that cold twister Twister, I knew you were gonna say it. I felt that twister is just unbelievably dope, man Like sitting in the studio with him. Yeah, but not being in the studio with him and you get a verse from him Yeah, and he give you that verse and leave you.  I didn't think he'll come up with this It's just it'd be so dope, man, and he'd be saying certain things and verses you'd be like Let me rewind that because I know that nigga to say that So he man. Yeah t is one of the Yeah, he's one of the cast man. You can go to him be like listen to this But he gonna tell you the truth like he he's not gonna hide none of none of that He didn't tell you to flat out true. But wow when he come with verses man as you can see Is he dope man on any, uh, um, uh feature he snapped on it Wow, yeah, y'all any feature to us to have been on he snapped on it Oh, you ain't got to tell me. Yeah, I think a bad man. All right I'm still waiting on the story the ice cube story with ice cube um ice cube We were I forgot what city we was in And we was on the show with him and dr drabe was they was doing the day toy at the time and so bag up so Not being in the music. Well, we went in the music industry at the time And I had a dream I met ice cube And when I had the dream that I met ice cube It felt so real in the dream One day we had a club We walking to the club. We had just sound we rapped a lot the song off take it took off We went to the club Fat Joe on stage so we had to go around Fat Joe through the other part and come up and fat Joe was taking all the time Ice cube in a vip as on walking up the dream kicked in wow So I'm looking ice cube got his hand out like this and I'm looking at cube like It's cute, you know, so this the cat I've been listening to his music and he was like like check my hand So I should have seen I was like bro. You are man I'm a fan of your music and say the verse he looked and it was funny because He said I'm a fan of your music. I was wow That's dope bro like to come from this to Right, he's saying I'm a fan of your music and you know, we we connected from there and you know, I was like man. Well Um, I definitely want to lock in which he was like for show He did a couple I think he he was supposed to get a couple of tracks from the cat tracks to who did pop okay Okay, and that didn't happen, but I always stayed in tune with you Like you know, like we just did the big three when he came. Yeah. Yeah, man Call budding them. Tell them come on.  Yeah He said tell do it die crucial conflict all the twister Shawna tell all those to come on man.  So when we walked in I walked in on his verse picture a nigga.  What's it? I gotta go home and listen to that And that was on the grand finale I was like, what made you I said, I said, what made you say that verse? Like he was like, man, he's a d.o.c. Was on him. I had to go hard Yeah, the d.o.c. Was snapping at that boy. You better stop playing You better stop that ain't man that boy right there. He been on there He's been on boss talk. Yeah, he's been on here. Yeah, I love d.o.c. Different man love d.o.c. Man, man that that that was uh, you got to meet d.o.c. No, no, you never met him. I never met d.o.c. But let me tell you something. He got a sweetest person man.  It's like we know each other forever, bro Like just like like we down here just That's how I don't know man. God is good, bro That's all I could say man like you mean good people that look like you and we getting along It's the part they don't talk about. Yeah. Yeah, it's the part. They don't talk about man d.o.c. You know I'm saying he he has a has a litany of talent man and writing and everything I heard stories about him and you know, I gotta get him back on the show and I done told him two or three times I want to talk to him about him and ice cube writing techniques and style who you know, I'm saying he both They both cold with that pen man.   That's my nigga, man He's been on boss dog and mr. Mike different dog. What what?  Mike, man. He loves mr What different dog in the fight go listen to it. It's still jam right now So his word plays just as hard Yeah, different dog in the fight that nigga bad. It's just voicing his tonality, man That's what I uh, okay. Thank you for saying that that's what the culture need to like Figure out how to change If that platform If if if that nigga still kicking versus hard as the next artist Let it be Don't be trying to bring all the way bring it all the way down and down play. Yeah.  You can't take that You cannot take nothing from him go listen to it. You go listen to it right now. I can put it on It's going man.  I was like nigga. I went into concert mode Anytime y'all's dope, bro. That's history. That's why I love the music bro Like like you can't you can't tell me my people ain't talented, bro We got some talented people. Yeah, and ain't nothing and all of them talented.   You know what I'm saying? I mean try I don't think trash is a bad word. Actually it makes certain people get their game. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, you know, I'm saying Yeah, you ever had somebody and you ain't gotta say no name That they wasn't good, but you seen them grow as they kept trying and trying and trying and got better Yeah, I seen that too. Yeah, and and I'll be proud of them too because you see it and and I seen the hit too You seen that at you. Yeah No, you want It's crazy because you want to see a person grow. That's just about that should be your human nature I want to see a person succeed be successful to know the whole nine. So that's just Human nature right there, right?  I've always heard that it's more about the ladies right now Lady female rappers lady this lady that The way how the music is going I hear a lot of people talking about it's gotten so much worse where it's All about the shock value And when they talk about that they they always include like your sexy red your um and What do you think about the music? Right now right now the way how especially the females are rapping and what they're rapping about and so forth I wish I could get it on but on my text Man, I'm gonna say this it's different the culture Hip-hop have always brought in something that's shocking or it made you be like, I don't know I want that No, hip-hop has always been that and when you hear that type of music And you He's like, I don't know how to answer this I'm never speechless, but this one right here is it's different. It's just different man And and when you hear it from a woman's perspective to you be like, uh, what does she just say? Did she just say that? But you got to also um You got you have to also put everything in perspective When nwa came out They felt like that was too much nigga music So they was like they was like, uh, luke man, we got hey, we want some. Yeah, they was like Kim was terrible too. No, but luke them was for they to all that. Yeah, they like we got to change this up Like but that's just hip-hop. I so let me put it in a nutshell Hip-hop have will always change um As as it go along like What's her name sexy ready? Yeah, like all that we're going to be a change. I think, you know, um, Everybody had a time and place for everything in hip-hop So that's that's that's just that's the way I could put it, but It's scary It's scary hip-hop man. Man. I'm gonna say the couple for the wrap it up man. Just thank you man. How can people get a hold to you? Um, you reach me a I feel good.  We love you. Thank you so much You coming to Dallas man. You're gonna come to my spot my main hub. Hey, what what what we got going on? I don't know. We don't figure it out. We're gonna get you walking, you know We'll sell book to nigga Say check it man. We we can go grab the dough and There you go. You know what I'm saying? Hey, nigga put their mamas at the dough. These niggas with Check it, man. 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