Click that button. It's been clucked. Click that button Now that it's been clucked What do we do? What's what's what's next for life? I don't know Are we allowed to say clucked in 2023? I haven't checked the recent instruction rulings from the The the group of people who You know that would be like a sliver chickens, right cluckers a clucker Or clucka. Yeah It shows me the old some like thumbnail again, I don't know if that's just a YouTube thing again or guys on the damage Showing the new one for me. Oh Characters from all of these movies.   That's not Dracula. That was You some kind of those big Al from big Al's toy bond He does kind of sound like that it's a southern accent a southern Transylvanian accent In southern Transylvania, they talk a little slower, you know Hello host just everyone culturally just wrote those big Al from big Al's toys bod. You said like it's Of course, of course, we know him We don't see it as well, right? Yeah, I said the sloth. Oh, I meant sorry story one. Yeah Also, that's it you said but then Toy Story 3. I think I think people People remember what so what about Toy Story 4? There was the remember a lot so I didn't know villain that one. Yeah, Toy Story 4 the villain that And then and then Woody realized that what he learned in Toy Story 3 was wrong Interesting friends so that he could live with Bo Peep. Hey, hey, let's get it. Let's let's be clear Not only did Woody abandon his friends buzz abandon him too. Everyone was abandoning each other. It's a great It's a it's a party really Cuz I guess Woody realized that no actually my role is not to you know continue Providing joy it's Live out here and then get other toys to do that even though what I learned in Toy Story 3 is that that's a really That's just a that's a good thing to do. Yeah, we We talked about it It feels like different creators took over because they settled in the Toy Story trilogy on saying toys Gain meaning from bringing joy to people like that's that's like a yeah Like oh, that's cool.   Yeah Well, either way, you know for a fact that they thought about in the right room It's like isn't it interesting really that the toys like what is the difference between a living toy and a dead toy? What makes you a toy and you just want to have that guy in the room is like no You do not want to get near that okay, you know do the age rating for this film guys It's also just like you don't want to be trying to go like real hard and fast on these rules about the toys and the nature of their existence Unless we know it's already Already, you know, we're already trying to build a little bit of a perilous perilous ice here. They're nice Well, you know, that's an easy segue animated film beloved by many. Well, sorry not that one Well The Academy Award winning toy story for I was about to say it is beloved by many Did it win Academy Awards? Yeah, of course it did Pixar movies mostly when Either those or Disney animation studios turning red gonna beat out person boots Someone will throw a bottle somewhere There's there's no way it's only gonna be between Pinocchio and person boots I think those will be the two that are fighting each other to see who gets the top spot Wrong thumbnail But it's the right one for me.   Yeah, it's Voldy. I don't recognize him with a nose Do you guys know snakes don't have noses I Think snakes on the plane He wasn't in that'd be a good a fat movie snakes I should never probably happen Anyway, yeah, so we're gonna talk about puss in boots But we're gonna talk about a whole bunch of things and so they're not gonna be like big ol breakdowns I'm also gonna be strolling through some of these movies and talking about bits and bobs the first thing I want to talk about the springs to mind when you start watching this film is they They kind of commit a big old sin everyone's celebrating this film But they did something rude in it right at the beginning. That's kind of like They changed the Dreamworks logo they oh, yeah We can do the first time where I saw the new Dreamworks logo and it's really really bad.  Oh, what wonderful things could this logo mean now We need to show out intellectual properties rags. That's it's a vengeance all over again. I hate it It used to be like you you associated because of Because that's how like company logos and things work You associate the logo with all the things the company does without having to explicitly show all of them one by one In this really awful montage Yeah, you know what it's when you say that because I've changed my mind on the Marvel Studios one I actually now I think I prefer just the one where it flew through all the comic pages Actually, yeah, I caught that one to the day and I was like, oh man, there's something kind of neat about this Well it honors the history writer honors where this is coming from. Yeah, as if now its history is you know itself Every time it makes a movie. I think it says a lot about To the point now where like the the films and way more influential on the comics than the other way around Like to where I think Marvel has explicitly stated that they want to position like Marvel comics to Basically give runway to the MCU Like so that they're planning ahead for stories that Marvel can use for movies in the future rather than just writing the stories that they think are cool Do you know it's like this interaction of intellectual property franchise like it can't yeah It can't just be a kid is sitting on a moon fishing. It's got to be look kung fu panda. Look Baby, whoo, I was a boss baby like have you seen boss baby any good? I'm pretty sure it's really successful. And that's why it's there enough to be in the end up to be in the dream works logo Cuz they don't have a what they don't have Marty or Alex though from Madagascar, which is kind of they made like three of those Yeah, yeah, and of course. Yeah, there's there's right on the right Rick man I will be very sad if it picks our ever replaces Luxo junior like in that intro I think I think I'd be really upset if they did that It's like iconic But who knows maybe they will maybe their next logo will be Luxo junior running through a field and then there's like, you know Yes, there is have you not seen the Luxo short film You must know I don't maybe years and years and years ago, and I've forgotten There's Luxo junior. It's the lamp. Yeah Not to be confused with the lamp that the genie comes out of which is the Internet international intellectual property of Disney not Pixar even though they're one of the same now Like Activision and Blizzard They're an axis of evil Can you imagine like the conversation in the boardroom and they were like, yeah, so I change in the logo now I'm like, and this is what it's gonna look like and then Why would we why would we change the logo like people love our logo and it means so much and like yeah Yeah, but things meaning things is that that intellectual properties they need to know all the things that we've made like you said The things we've made sir is like, but do they There's a reserve. Yeah, you go through the little characters and you saw the uncharred film All right, PlayStation has one. Yeah, right one works. It's got like Aloy and and and what? Aloy from horizon. Yeah, and then like Yeah, we've talked about that Does it have to you talk about it because you you won't if we want when we're off stream Fringy won't stop talking about how hot Aloy is Which is fine I Have horizon for been West and like I played it for a few hours and I was just like man. This is like fine It's so okay, you never finished it It's got the problem that people try to ascribe to God of War where like she hasn't run in commentary all the time Like every time you achieve an objective She's like, okay got to go there now to find this and it's like man and now playing dead space It's like, you know Isaac talks when spoken to and whenever there's nobody around he just kind of like does his job It's nice of a pressure It's weird yet writing the dialogue for characters talking to themselves It seems like that should be easy because a lot of people talk to themselves. That's a very normal thing to do But it seems that when you write it It's never done right like you can't always you can't write people talking to themselves on purpose and have it Because we're listening to it we know someone wrote it for us to listen to it Yeah, I suppose You know like when John McClane like blast a couple of guys and then keeps telling us joke Right like nobody ever finds that really awkward.  Yeah, is it soon. I'm saying he's unstoppable Well, I mean, I'm sure he'll be okay, but you know Rocks that it's not out of the the options I suppose we'll find out about that soon enough Anyway Logo's what we're talking about. Yeah, this is a stream dedicated to how shit the new dream works Man imagine if like Disney replaced the castle and they just started doing a thing where they like had a quick montage of not even They're animated films, but it also has I was just looking it's the dead.  Okay, we're doing the opposite of a Pizza Hut And we're updating our logo to be just what we really are deep on the inside. We're just shit Oh Where we even begin with with this all movie maybe we should start a Context of person boots one because yeah, we watched that Two of us watched it. Yeah To be fair, I actually I watched the after I watched the last wish which is funny I watched the in the reverse order and we had different results as a result of that result Yeah, that's right to get to the short vision is I Was like hmm Well, whereas I saw the first one. I was like you like the second one a lot more Yeah, the the quickest review of the first one for those who don't know the storyline is I think is it was in boots After Shrek 3 goes back home question mark. We're Shrek. Wait Shrek 4 I don't actually know timeline wise Correct the fourth is what the fourth one was called also wow J max just made like everyone a member Thank you by the way.  I think in the discord. It's called like rags. What? Yeah Well, so push and boots one is a prequel to Shrek 2 I suppose you could say well But isn't it like it's a prequel and it takes place. It takes place in the past down the future. I thought No, I'm pretty sure it's a strict prequel Really? Yeah, so well in any case You get a big ol it's a big ol origin story movie for the hero that is pushing boots And it's surprising in that like you check it out and and the film is basically like all right So buzzing boots he has this huge history and it all revolves around his friend Humpty Dumpty And you're like, oh, I know him and He's voiced by Zach Gallif and ackis And and I think yeah, they make the meme pretty pretty quickly that He felt abandoned by post because he was left On a on a wall after he had fallen off it and he said yeah, and they made us they made a rhyme about it It's just like haha, I guess this is vaguely in universe references I enjoy these things when they happen in the Shrek verse. That's what this is, right? Yeah, I think so that's the yeah And yeah, and so you got the story is basically just that when they were growing up They were kind of outcast it a little bit in their little orphanage and they they teamed up and This was gradually enjoying Becoming I guess more skilled and talented. Yeah There was there was this one time that he had a taste of being a hero And then he started doing it full-time while Humpty Dumpty went the way of hyper thief and Wanted to invent things and get access to great stuff to ultimately what was this like ultimate goal I forget what what Humpty wanted to do with all of the money Didn't he want to fly? Was that it? Well, he wanted to fly to what end this is what I'm telling you because like it wasn't a very engaging film This is part of the problem is I've forgotten a lot of it. I watched it like days ago. It's it's a In any case Posting boots is like the town hero and then Humpty Dumpty is like, oh, I got I got a thing We got to do definitely a hundred percent.   Just put the money in the thing and then you drive like Pussing boots is gonna be like what the fuck's going on like I don't even want to be a crime person and That goes awry. Don't he becomes a thief, right? He just is he always was Never really became like a hero. That's kind of like his art sort of goes on in the film Yeah, he's because he's shellfish Ah All right now he can move forward The money the money is lost to the world and puts and boots is seen as like a bad guy So is Humpty and that's that's that history and then we fast forward right and wasn't boots is as far as we're aware Missing every cat basically Yeah, I'm deep sort of thing going on and Humpty wants to hire him So that they can carry on his grand plan of going finding magic beans and Which in this case of being hoarded by Jack and Jill who have a very specific and strange adaptation in this film They're they're big and gross and evil. They're like happy to just kill everybody basically not to say that I'm very familiar with the Jack and Jill story or all of its iterations Let's just do as interesting to see him like that and I kind of I almost I'm putting a pin in it Kind of because it's gonna come up again when we talk about the last wish They have the magic beans We the our heroes get the beans off them they go up the bean stalk into the land of the Giants They steal the golden goose old nag laying goose Take it back down and then Puss realizes the whole time that he was just being strung along by Humpty who betrays him along with the whole town Who apparently were in on it? And then yeah, let's go to jail but kitty soft paws feels guilty and so she helps him break out and Then we find out that Humpty Dumpty Yeah, Humpty Dumpty was hoping that the Golden goose's mum was gonna come try and get it and just stomp through the city like a Godzilla type thing and Then works with us to save the day, but dies in the process Balls gets cracked and he's like golden like See he was good after all but not really It's a The problems with the film for me were just that there's just not many Emotional beats that are very high. It's very normal and and I didn't like Humpty as a as a character I don't even say there's much Usually wrong with him in terms of like inconsistencies. I just wasn't engaged by him at all I think that anybody watching the film would be able to tell instantly Like so he's gonna betray put some boots at some point like this.  Yes, so fine, um, I Just don't think they did much work with anybody in that film. It's uh, it's just really like like Yeah, you're hitting some standard beats But not that effectively and it's just like I don't know like it's not it's not a very engaging film Yeah, and I give it a I'd give it a thumbs up and just move on and like I said, it's not been that long I've already forgotten a shit ton of Of the plot line, which is not a good sign. And so then I was like, well Everyone's talking about this sequel. So I guess I'll check that out and that one's called person boots the last wish And as you may know from other things that have been said here and there about different shows All four of us were quite a big fan of this one. This one was a surprise. I did not expect it to be as good as it was Yeah, I would even say that person boots is like I Think all of you guys should see this. I really love this movie I don't I would basically recommend it to everybody. I feel like everybody's gonna go and watch it and enjoy it a Hell of a lot. Yeah, that's actually a point If you listen to this and you're waiting for some good movies to watch and you're holding out hope and you haven't watched Pussin boots yet Wish from hit from here on out when we just say person boots We're talking about person boots the last wish with Yeah, this this is one of DreamWorks best films. Yes. Oh, yeah, absolutely But yeah, go watch it and then come back to us talking about it because we're probably gonna be spoilering everything.  It's like all right fair enough And then why do you say that why you satisfy a wish? I don't know. I just I ran with that word Think it's good enough Granted wish for it would have been better you get you get to make a wish to make a wish It's you could grant a wish to yourself by making it so it's it's like The added like yeah, you get to grant yourself a wish by making it In any case when you wish upon the star. He does his little story saying oh beginning Basically pushing boots that is most Hightest of Primus. He's a super happy confident and top-notch skillman. He's a this people off who are I Guess the place of the best new owns this is a son. He's just he's just having fun with a song and also takes out a giant Why not? That's just something that's really do Things a song in a Mansion people are loving them all pushing boots. You're so amazing. You're so incredible and It's very I It'll carry through but it's apparent from the very first moments of the film How how vibrantly both colorful and animated this movie is it's Well, yeah, because we have We have like the normal scenes and then we have action scenes and when action scenes happen the frame rate lowers Which you might think as low as it animates on there's which you think might Which maybe but just hearing that seems very odd and counterintuitive like wouldn't you want more frames when people are doing Action it's like a lot of know if you want that but it's certainly a stylistic choice that works really really well Emphasized keyframes more than animating on ones can just because it gives your eyes a little bit more time to Register those poses. So like that because I think that's the one that people notice right when he dodges the bell And he just does this kind of little flip where he's like facing backwards They hold on that for a few more frames and they probably would have if it was like in the Regular way that they would do it just yeah, it's a it's a stylistic choice. It's something that is Not often seen in 3d animation much more common into the animation, but now a lot more films are trying out those techniques This film was using a lot of techniques that are more like from traditional to the animation like smears and motion lines And all of it like contributes to this are really interesting look. It's kind of like a you know Like a painting come to life in this case Yes, the film's always a delight to just watch And just be like man that looks awesome Yeah, it's like you pause and it's like I could use this as a wallpaper and this Actually, it doesn't matter. It's just all looks very good. Reminds me of spider vs. Which is Dreamworks has been experimenting more with different animation styles because the bad guys which also came out last year Is gone for like a picture book Yeah, yeah, sure He agrees Fringy told me that That that that film also is using some more traditional to the animation techniques integrated with like 3d animation And it's just like yeah, it's really cool that we're starting to see More and more and more experimentation with like the kind of styles that you can use in 3d animation I'm pretty sure that Dreamworks is specifically like credited spider versus like a big inspiration on both of those films As well as other stuff like Akira was referenced as well. I haven't seen Akira yet. So yeah, I can't speak to that But it's it's like this movie looks amazing the whole the whole way through it looks it looks so great And it's kind of something I didn't even fully realize until I went and watched push and boots is that um The first one is like man There's like small tweaks to the designs of the characters that just make them look like way better as far as I'm concerned Like this style Really compliments these characters There are times when push kind of looks a bit uncanny in the first film whereas here It's like every his his expressions are really emotive Everybody's expressions are really emotive This style Yeah, you can see the smears when you go on A hundred people have like try to point out the whole the wolf in the crowd. I was just like Yeah Everyone's gonna die if I don't acknowledge that it's like yes, that's a thing anyway carry on The the film is never it's It's never garish, but it's very very colorful the color seems to fit they seem to fit and They're very appropriate to the scene Which is something that I really really like about this movie is that it seems to juggle sort of three tones And it balances them all very very well. It's up there with I don't know if it's up there. It might be but generally we reference jojo rabbit is how to have You know balanced Scenes in a movie two distinct kind of tones or vibes Well that coexist in the same, you know worse To bolster that point to make it clear to people So after this fight The bell that he uses to knock out the giant lands on personally dies and then it's revealed by a doctor that he is on His last of his nine lives And from that point onward he is thrust upon a journey where he has to confront his own mortality And essentially deconstructs the myth of push and boots that we kind of see here Of just like almost almost like a reckless abandon Just like a complete uh like the the confidence stems from a place that is uh not quite sound as is revealed by a pretty Encounter with a magic with uh with the wolf later on and so over the course of the story It sort of deconstructs the legend of push and boots and then reconstructs it around a more solid foundation Um, yeah, there he is. There's the wolf everybody's favorite new wolf man. Yeah And so and so what rags is talking about is the fact that um this film balances its tone incredibly well Jumping between moments that are really funny to moments that are incredibly tense or dramatic Uh, and it does sorry and it never it never feels like it's undercutting the drama. Um, like it's it's it's a really difficult thing to do Yeah, jokes never get in the way of like a serious moment and a serious moment never gets in the way of a joke There are light-hearted scenes where there's clearly, you know comedy is In light-heartedness and the spirit of adventure is clearly what they're trying to convey And there are other scenes where you're like afraid where you have this legitimately quite scary um antagonist Um that our protagonist is very afraid of Yeah on on the subject of dreamworks best the wolf is one of dreamworks best villains. Um I have very big confidence to pay to all of the villains in this film Because we've got a few yeah because we've got Jack Horner as well Um who occupies a very different slot and I guess as an antagonistic element You've got Goldilocks and the three bears who themselves get to go on and this film has a lot of arcs running Like every single like it's a lot of things. It's got a lot of things running There's a lot going on and it's not like a super long movie. It's no it's an hour and a half Yeah, this isn't incredibly if you want to look If you want to use this time incredibly well, it's not like it's not like a three hour movie where people talk and talk but nothing matters Well, yeah, like Just goes on and on I wouldn't have picked most of his madness That's the most aggressive madness is absurdity avatar would be the good example This this movie is one and a half hours long and we've got arcs running for puss for kitty Who by the way kitties a way more developed character in this film and the relationship between her and puss is much more compelling They've got a lot more going on and it's uh, it's it's it's complimenting the core theme of the film a lot And then you've got arcs running for Goldilocks as well Um in a certain sense Pareto doesn't necessarily Pareto is a new companion They have he's a dog who's living in the cat sanctuary the puss goes to and he is like a relentlessly optimistic character And it's not necessarily that he goes on a big arc or anything But more so that he like significantly compliments the arcs everybody else is going on But it's like we've got a whole bunch of different characters with their own things going on That are bound by this central theme, but are exploring it in different ways Like what is the meaning of life and where is it derived from like what is valuable to you and what makes it valuable Um, yeah struggling all these things incredibly well considering that it's only about like an hour and a half Yeah, and and we'll We'll sort of pair this up in the same way with the next animated movie We talk about after this but a lot of the themes and messages here It goes far beyond be a good person. Don't steal. Uh, yes Uh, you know like the the most basic bitch kind of moral lessons that you tell to like a four-year-old You know, these are films that yeah Let's let's put it this way I would say that if you look at a lot of the Well, if you look at a lot of the films that I would consider to be like among the best animated films Recently rewatch kung fu pand 1 and 2 and kung fu panda is like again That's one of dreamworks best films and that's got essentially that's got some pretty fundamental themes as well But also has the willingness to challenge some of those things as well, right?  It's like, yeah, that's true. There are things we can control But at the same time there's a lot that we can't control Kind of like just more elements to it than just you know a simple answer That's just easy to uh That's easy to You know that that doesn't really It's just not very honest and I feel like if there's like this film is particularly honest in terms of its exploration of uh Of of like its central themes about the nature of like confronting one's own mortality Man then feels you get from kung fu panda 1 and 2 as well with the dad, you know, yes It's uh Re-watch those movies. I haven't seen them in ages Good they're good. Um, yeah I like this idea that dream work seems to accept this premise that in a movie that is Digestible for kids.  I don't want to discount like this huge swath of You know storytelling Or that it can't have deeper stuff going on beneath the surface There's one of those movies that you want to Tell people about us like yeah, but this is a kids movie when it's like an actual awful movie It's like, yeah, but you can do a kids movie. That's really good. Look at person boots too Because you can watch it on the surface. It's like, oh, this is fun and ha ha And it's like ooh scary wolf. Ooh, but then if you go back to watch it when you're older, it's like, oh There's much more going on here. So I think I think simply that uh, this film was made as though We're for everybody it wasn't made with like a target audience in mind It's like they had a story that they wanted to tell and they told it in a way that was like broadly approachable um Echo something Theo said that is arguably underrated when we were doing our ragnarok coverage it's actually in response to uh synthetic man saying that the reason ragnarok is so bad is because they tried to make it for everyone And when you make something designed for everyone, you make it so that like no one will love it It's a common phrasing, right? When you try and get everyone to like it no one will and Theo says like the the more Accurate point of view Is that you it's not about who you're making it for it's it's uh, what experience you're trying to generate and Whether or not give a shit uh as to like if you if you're trying to go for I want this experience to be basically something everyone is going to engage in and they will find it This is kind of i'm trying to go with marvel with this where it's like they don't want to hang on any particular emotion for any uh Too long of a time that they want you to come out having a Jumble of different things like that is a general good experience. I feel like I had From their point of view a good meal, but obviously we've gone to the point of saying it's just like really bad fast food at this point um Boston boots is generating a very specific idea and set of experiences, but they work for All ages. I can't see why All of the cute cats doing silly things and the cartoon characters You know screwing around for the super young ages Then you get to like the middle ages who are just appreciating like oh man, this is inspirational. This is For maybe if you're going through some stuff, but then you know the really older forms of the audience being like Maybe people who have thought about death a little bit These kids don't think about death. Yeah They try to avoid it or you almost want to protect kids from having to think about death, right? But like it's it's all embedded into these films and you know The there's just this just differently is to appreciate it on I guess that's I imagine that if you were a kid and you watched it now You'd be like, yeah, that was a really fun movie And then it's kind of the same thing that happens when you rewatch like a lot of the older Pixar films Like a lot of what the Incredibles was about like a lot of that was lost on me But like that's that's cool, right because it was there and it was it was great And it was fun when I watched it, but then when I can go back and watch it later It's like oh my god like it's all Wow, you know, like it's it's just you gain a greater appreciation for the story Yeah, and I think Simpsons is one of the better examples of that as well, right? Simpsons too There's so much shit in that that's for adults Yeah, but I guess that was a case of like, yeah, of course I'm watching The Simpsons It's like, oh, yeah, right like there was a ton about The Simpsons that I was just never gonna understand like as a kid But it's it's just cool, right because they created a story Where they had something to say and regardless of whether it was going to be broadly understood though They did a very good job of making it. So They they sold it on anyway with like something that you know, it's not often explored, right in films that are going to be watched by like families So with how this began as well I was kind of like It's the with the opening.  This is like well. Yeah, he's just Action-packed hero dominating and doing really well then even the death doesn't really faze him.  Isn't it? Yes Well, this this wolf is getting around in terms of memes and just appreciation. I've seen people who even say it like This shit deserves every kind of like Award like and it's because he's he's not just really great in terms of design in terms of Voice acting in terms of what he represents in the story But man, he's just he's everybody had stuff to think about with him in these scenes and what he Does what what he isn't You know, there's the this this opening scene you get the They went creepy with this guy There's some like scary imagery that goes on with them the red eyes the the way that the entire Movie shifts the tone away from you know a happy and victorious and heroic and you know lackadaisical to like boom, it's like a new movie kind of starts in a way And that's uh, I think I think it was um because as I as he was talking I was just like, hmm Hmm, but then there was once the fight happened and then there was the the the big old shot the big emphasize shot and then Which I mean it's gonna show up eventually it was basically They have their short fight and push is not doing very well And then it gets hit like he gets struck by uh by the wolf sickle And he starts bleeding when I when that happened. I was like, oh Oh, I think I realized that oh that this was gonna be a really good movie Also, I think for lack of better terms It just feels a little more real the the blood on his hand as well when he looks at it then You typically often get you really ever get blood in movies like this anyway No, so the fact that there was that in the first place, but it was just um, he's been seen right the blood was like very prominent and how he reacts Look at him Like it's and that's the leveraging of the new and it's also been emphasized earlier in the movie.  He's quite terrified. He's really terrified um, it's just this is The wolf is just like Like this is great like he's so disarming while simultaneously terrifying well just The opening where he sits down and he's once his autograph and he puts the poster and he taps on the dead part and like oh, that's that's like legitimately imposing. Mm-hmm. Yeah and it's um This this film by the way very thoughtfully uses the lives the life flashing before your eyes thing It's like super relevant plot critical even Um, or like thematically very critical It's probably one of the best utilizations of that meme of lives of lives flashing before a character's eyes Because it hits a lot of uh, it hits a lot of moments throughout the series. You see you can see shrek and donkey in there Well, you know, you don't see Humpty dumpty I wonder is like is it the same like I know it's the same like people But is it the same like people people who made this one? They made the last one the fact that they didn't even have Humpty Dumpty why uh, the director was not the director of the first film um He's done other stuff. He's his long childhood friends. They would have had plenty of good memories, but they didn't involve him which um Do you know with you? I think I may have thrown one flash of him with Humpty Dumpty Well, they throw in uh, they throw in kitty soft pause, but that's because she's way more relevant Yeah, she'll be relevant in this story But yeah, uh, that face he has when we come back from those flashbacks just like Jesus and again It works way better when you have that opening scene where he's hyper confidently doing his thing Yes, the point of that scene as as far as i'm concerned is this is the legend of push and boots the legend that gets around him on his own Bravely launching into danger Super confident and then this is tearing it down like immediately.  That's like the legend is uh That he's the legend is dead essentially like it's already been it's been like instantly destroyed And and like for the rest of the film it's about reclaiming that legend But essentially push realizing like that what he's actually after is not what he thought It's not what he what he thinks he needs Which is i'm gonna go get the the the wish to get my nine lives back That's his goal and he realizes that his goal is uh, you know that changes over the course of the story As he learns a lot of things about himself and life Um, it's it's really uh, it's really it's really tight thematically I really like that of like this is the legend the legend is dead I need to reclaim it and in the process he invents a new legend essentially about himself a much more sound one Well, that's the thing we there are people in our spheres that say like i'm so fucking tired of deconstructions And what we'll always end up saying is like well, i'm not tired of the good ones though Yeah Always comes back to how you would do it. It's done well It's done. Well you do go go nuts. I don't care.  Yeah What makes this one really cool is that they deconstruct them and then reconstruct them they build them back up again Yeah, it's like we we we tear into this legend But then we build them back up at the end with a much more Sound based from which to move forward in the future. What is that jack porter is the best character? It's like jack hoarder Clearly a favorite um, but yeah, so he goes to a sanctuary uh meets perito and uh gets terrified when he believes that um The wolf has arrived, but it's actually one of the three bears With goldilocks and like I said, we're not we're not doing a full breakdown of this It's more so just bouncing between topics and hopefully in a chronological-ish way But it was fun seeing The the goldilocks and the three bears and it's a different version I immediately thought about The jack and jill of the previous film feels like a similar sort of adaptation But the execution Oh my and I think with them after hearing everyone else, too I was like fuck the voice acting in this is amazingly good. It's really really phenomenal throughout Because antonio band eros is phenomenal Like uh, here's here's persistently and consistently like incredible in this film Yeah, and you get yeah, um, ray winston and jenna colman as as the mum and poppa bear like damn Well, it was really funny when uh Because the bears don't talk before that and then when they show up at their house It's like, you know poppa bears just snarling. He's like, hello miss. I'm looking for the best I don't know why he doesn't do more voice acting ray winston. It's quite a it's quite a powerful voice Yeah, um, maybe this will get him into the game Maybe this will be the one that makes him realize that this is one of his callings And yeah, it's been pointed out florins pew is goldilocks. Yes, which uh, when I found that out I'm like, wow, you have a lot of range. Like you just I had no idea Well, remember the one of the two good things that ever happened in black widow Who's was one of them, but it like comes out of nowhere. It's just like, well, she She can cry on cue Where does it come from?  They really push the actors that far a lot of Yeah, they have all the money to have these incredible actors and everything but it's like What is that?  So like we don't accomplish anything Um, but yeah, they're here because they want to get puss in boots, right to hire him for a job Yeah to steal uh from jack horner Yeah, yes, and and what's funny is uh, I kind of like the uh, there was there are benefits to of seeing pussy boots one before two Um puss is trying to steal the thing The they were going to hire him to steal because it's going to lead him to the to the wish There's a map to the wish and obviously if he gets his wish he can get his lives back So, you know plot plot nice and straightforward and he actually gets the point where he's nearly grabbing it and uh Kitty soft pauses there as well, which is how they I think like cross paths in the first one.   I think he'd be Tomically proportioned.   It's so unapologetically evil. Yeah, he's like stream, but like There's no ulterior motive at all or like there's no or rather.    Oh, I'm I'm I'm a crickett's like well, then cause the spell of the flowers Some sort of demon grasshopper Deadly fairy Noble phoenix.  Oh, he's he's so great. He feels like a completely different era of a character.  Are you in the face? Why? Why? Yes The payoff when it's it's just like he just realizes that uh The jack's plan is to basically hoard all of magic for himself and that he like abandons all of his uh, Bakers doesn't lie.  I was already just when he's like fetched the bakers dozen or whatever.  Oh, yeah Alibur it's still got the rock attached to it. I couldn't get it out of his own, but it's so pretty cool, right? He um, he can't get it out at first At the uh, he like steps on one of his bed as leverage.  I think he says yeah Yeah, what do you what is baited grabbing Excalibur?  Yeah, and there you have it. Yeah, I could believe you would do that Yeah, what's the fun thing interesting about like Just the Excalibur thing is Um, it's such a kind of like throwaway little joke like oh ha ha. It's funny that he's has Excalibur But the only point of having Excalibur is to actually use it as a sword You have to pull it out of the sword You have to pull Excalibur specifically as a reference as being used by jack corner works because Excalibur is a weapon that's used to unite england, right? It has to be used as a sword to do that and in order for you to have like Becoming king you have to pull it out of the stone So both of those important elements of Excalibur requires it to be removed from the stone And he's so unworthy in every way But he's so greedy all at the same time That he essentially reduces the sword to essentially uselessness for the sake of his selfishness. Yeah, he did something Yeah, he doesn't care about the usage of any of these items. They're not precious to him. Yeah Yeah, it would be curious. What did he say he wanted the wish for? Uh That was a big thing he wanted it so nobody else could have it Yeah, which is annoying with really do anything with it Um And yeah, uh, you find out that um, goldilocks is interest in the in the wishes so that she can be with Uh, was it was that a secret to the bears that she wanted to be with a Wish but she hadn't told them what it was and they they take it well though when they find out because they They're supportive We have they they they have the initial shock of it, but then they decide to help her Because that's a real family and that's something that she learns over the course of her adventure.   Yeah, he looks curious and not that concerned At least compared to how a kazoo he should be Because uh, if you talk parito is he's the best boy. All right. He's uh, he's he's a very good boy He's uh, he's a relentlessly positive character despite having endured some pretty uh, some pretty bad circumstances in his life There's a reason he's a doggo Yes, um And it's kind of uh, because when they go to the the forest The map that they use will change basically depending on on the person who holds it Like it kind of changes to challenge them directly Uh, or or maybe more so to like It's it's like tethered to basically beliefs that they have about themselves in the world And so like pusses one is filled with perils um kitties is is relating to trust issues basically and meanwhile paritos is like this really pleasant This really pleasant place well pleasant if you understand how to actually maneuver through it because the scene that had before with jack and the bakers was um There's a bunch of roses and all you need to do is just smell them Stop and smell the roses because parito just like sort of absorbs life Like he takes it for what it is and tries to get as much out of it as he can Meanwhile like person and kitty are like well, what's the obstacle here? What are we supposed to like fight through to get to get there? And it's just like these sorts of things of what parito is essentially teaching them A lot of the time like unintentionally. He's just kind of living his life and and being a happy old self um But it's like it's kind of like he has an attitude of non-resistance Basically of sort of accepting situations as they are and then getting as much out of them as he can and through him person in particular, but also kitty like learn a hell of a lot about you know Basically appreciating life for what it is Parito is a very good boy. You get a lot of design choices, right? And uh, you find out that the Very clothing he's chosen to wear is as a result of a sock that they tried to drown him in his Family, and I'm telling the story post kitty is like horrified and he's like, yeah But joke's on them because I got a free sweater Badass story to tell it's a win win and they were like, oh my god.  It's like, oh my god And yeah, this is uh, he's positive to the to the to the extent of almost basically being delusional Yeah, like a delusional night Nativity maybe it's working out. It's working out Working for him.   It's like damn Yeah, like actually like yeah like horror kind of yeah, this is essentially the dream works horror. Yes When puss is running through the forest like when he's he runs away and he just sees uh He sees the wolf and everything. He sees him in the rocks. He sees him in the trees And then it's followed by the scene everybody's talked about but rightfully so because it's a really well Made scene which is the panic attack What an unfortunate type of velva to have a panic attack scene at the same time One embarrassing scene that wasn't velma.  It's like the resulting energy that goes in the opposite direction I I saw this happen gradually over twitter, right?  Okay, exactly And like I can't attribute it to anything other than the fact that they want to just go to the opposite The thing that's different to what other people said. Yeah, it's just cringy. I was just like, why can't we just say it's good? It was good what I Assumed to be a panic. I never had one. So I don't know but this seems pretty real. I don't know Like hard heartbeat going on like a heavy breathing everything. Oh, it seems like it's pretty genuine like a pretty genuine next Showing of a panic attack Yeah, it's like this movie's got a lot of heart And it's got a lot of like wanting to convey not just a story and lessons, but like real emotional moments Well, yeah, because because like to talk about what's working. Well like look at the color scheme It's totally muted and it's like it's it's pretty blurry at a lot of times as well It's like everything is out of focus because it's just puts like Struggling to breathe and then the thing that pulls him out of it is this dog this wonderful dog Who's just there just there? He's just he just Rests his head on his uh on his on his tummy and like that's enough to to ground him and this is actually because this is the first time that uh Parito gets called anything He says like thank you Parito, which is I understand it means small dog Yeah, it's like yeah because he came through he came through here And then they have a pretty significant conversation Delving into like the fact that pushes on his last life something he hadn't told them And then a big element of his our dynamic with kitty and why she doesn't trust him anymore That he left her at the altar and like it's just the thing that he finds shameful and it's it's like further reinforcing sort of Shilted Well, it's just um because he talks about like I shouldn't be afraid I wasn't supposed to be afraid, but I was so I ran away Which is what happened, right? That's what happened when he was confronted by uh by wolf as he ran away And I feel like the broad way to interpret that right is he's running away from life like life got really scary for him and His response to that was to reject life in a sense to go live in this cat sanctuary Just like soul destroying miserable not a very engaging life. I guess it's safe, but it's not particularly uh, It's not particularly interesting um Where and and so like this is sort of an acknowledgement of that and that's something he's done before He's taken like the wrong approach. He's running away from this problem that's confronting him Oh, I can't help it see that you understand. That's what tlg was trying to do. It really was that was ryan's goal His whole idea was that luke skywalker the man could no longer live up to the legend of luke skywalker Which is what puss is going through This is how to do it properly Well, one of the big things is we've seen that there are other because it's it's something that uh It's something that he eventually sort of comes to understand about the reason why he may well have left Maybe it was more than just being afraid. It was like he was so afraid of uh of like making that commitment Because it's like was was uh, it's a legend too big, you know for Is a legend too big for like more than one person to be a part of it The like is far too Doesn't generally go through line not only with uh With post but also uh with kitty was like, oh don't trust anyone just go solo. You just get screwed over by everyone Uh, you're more likely to be on the winning side when you just trust yourself not everyone else And it's just where they all have to change around with the Experience they're having in this movie and look what happened to get him here He did a series of grand adventures that had you know, plenty of heroics in them But endings where he lost a life lost a life lost a loss enough that and then you have this Incredibly powerful enemy Incredibly confident enemy and one that seems just soul and purpose and is chasing him It doesn't yes, there's no like this doesn't feel like we're humiliating puss in boots. We're challenging him Significantly and he's not used to that usually like you You you watch them in like shrek 2 or the others it'll puss in boots the movie the first one It's just yeah, he's just he's a fun larger-than-life cartoon character type thing where he's just able to dominate And it's like they went serious for a moment with him And uh, they had some points to make And I mean the big thing as well, right because this is before it's revealed now I'm pretty sure a fair few people would have been able to deduce like oh, he's like death, but for real Yeah, um, like that that's who he is. He is the embodiment of death Uh, but I mean even before this point, right? It really like he can't escape him Like wherever he goes Wolf is there because wolf is there when they go to jack Horner's uh factory He does the thing where he puts the uh He puts the coins on his eyes and points at him nice and honest He's very many he's Yeah, he's always there and he never goes away because death never goes away. Like it's inevitable It's always coming no matter what you do and it's kind of like this is something that puss needs to sort of realize Is this isn't going away like you can't keep running away from this at some point He has to confront at which yeah, you've got the scene pulled up now when they get to the uh the wishing star Oh, that fight is so cool And that whole free the payoff that he gets Yeah, like the the fight scenes in this are really like They're really good. They're either really funny Or they're just like impressive visually or they're tense um Yeah, they're really good. It it also helps a lot that at this point.  I can totally see that happening Which makes a fight scene like there's so much more tense. It's like, oh man, that's like stakes here We have like actual stakes I uh, I was gonna say as people have mentioned as well that the uh Death gets through the barrier where everyone else would get zapped by it Right with these and he doesn't show up on the map as well where everyone else does. Yeah Oh man, I love because like he because Basically like he confronts puss before this and says like yeah, I'm death straight up and then he's uh Puss runs away like he sort of runs away and abandons uh perrito and uh and kitty Which obviously kitty's not happy about because she she thought that they were forging over the course of the film They're like reconnecting.   Yeah kid. He's like I thought we were reconnecting I thought I could trust you again, but I can't I'm not big enough like the legends too big for me Yeah, and it's it's true, right? He's very self absorbed at this point. He's focused entirely on himself It's not like unreasonable, right? Like this is a terrifying situation, but like that's what's happening here um, but then Like he's as before he can make the wish that's when wolf shows up again And it's just like yeah, this is being fun, but like it's over. All right.  He's just ready for a fight. He's uh, he's raring to go But then that's when we get the reincorporation or the payoff for the the lives Is when his lives start flashing before his eyes It's just the one that he's been living going on this adventure connecting again with kitty Becoming friends with pareto doing all of these cool and exciting things And it's that like the realization of how valuable this life is that That makes him realize like that he has to fight and that he's done running And it's like oh damn like it's really cool. You got to show it. You got to show you got to show the scene I don't even want to try and like emulate the performance there. It's too good. The line delivery is perfect Don't good. It's not good. And it's so cool because he picks up this from from antonio bandera as well and also Wolf as well every line every single line that he has Yeah, he's great and throughout but the thing is everyone even jack horner just like I love the delivery of his lines all of them as well Yeah Pretty much everybody's line delivery is is great. Like there's no bad performances here Yeah, and there's a huge range of what you get, you know, you get antonio banderas who himself does really everything He tells jokes. He is he did he sing? Is he the singer? I'm pretty sure he's a singer. I checked Something some articles talked about it He he does like he could be afraid he'd be happy in jovial He have you know the jack horner character you have you know death and There's a huge just variety of different voices to appreciate It's like the visuals just the Just the different kinds of characters and voices and the way they sound is just it's just like the visuals are There's all sorts of stuff going on The movie does not rest on one kind of tone for Um, you know for itself.  People are going to want him to come back in the other movies where whatever Universe they've got just to just to be intimidating again Yeah, he's amazing And in the fight Like one of the things it saves when he loses his sword It's the it's the little cat blade that uh, kitty gave him right Yeah, he wouldn't have had if he didn't if he wasn't connected with her And then starts to a wheel and he still gets hurt in the fight too, which is which is good Like it's not an easy fight. This is a pretty this is a pretty difficult fight But um, then like he slowly but surely manages to prevail and then you get the the the big ol Where he like grabs a sickle and then throws it to death and tells him to pick it up Yeah, it's like that's uh, that's pretty chad and then you've got like the ultra giga chad move Where wolf gets right up in his face and uh Puss doesn't flinch at all just stares him right back in the eyes Yeah, because before he says, uh, it's like, oh, yeah I know I have no chance of beating you because well you death But yeah, uh, I will never stop fighting for this life And then the scene happens when he looks at it and he's like, ah, god damn it. No, you're ruining for me Well, yeah, he didn't he didn't want this he wanted to destroy the legend The cocky person boots who hasn't appreciated any of the lives he lost because I don't think we didn't go into the deaths We see in the beginning that he has like some of them are like super dumb Some of them are so reckless like just eating shellfish, which he's allergic to Oh, it's just shellfish in here. It's like, yeah, it's like, okay, and they're just eating him I'm telling you Cat always lads on his feet Yeah, just falls off a tower completely drunk Look at him And this is the whole reason why the death is even after him. It's like, yeah, you Most people only have one life and you didn't You didn't appreciate any of the ones you lost so far So I'm gonna take this last one myself because you don't deserve it And yeah, no, that he has poses arc is completed. He just looks in the eyes is like Damn, the legend is gone. He changed. He really does value this one life now And then he he tells him well live your life post But remember you do know we will see each other again, right? That's this that's this exit Yeah, I believe that uh, the post says yes until death in spanish. Yeah. Yeah It's just like yeah, it's kind of that acknowledgement of the reality, right? There's no defeating death, but you know, you can keep him at bay. Just he's fighting. He'll fight him Whatever they mean, he's death at bay living, isn't it? Yeah, exactly like living an embracing life accepting life for what it is and fighting It's it's a really great. It's a great arc that puss gets set on in this film Yes, really really strong the this the scene Uh in the beginning when you see death and pusses eyes And then yeah, they're at the end. It's the the other way around. You can see death, right? Oh, you can see puss and death size. Yeah, that's yeah, that's ruined. I just got lost It's just yeah, it's a really great payoff and that's yeah, he basically What happens with every character in this film is that this journey that they go on essentially Fulfills their wish anyway to where they don't even need it Yeah, everyone is like, oh, I don't want the wish. No, I mean either Yeah, because with Goldilocks, what happens is like, uh, the family gets there and they're fighting over it but then baby bearer is about to get launched into the crazy outside part of the star where like you get vaporized and then Goldilocks Goldilocks basically drops the wish to uh to save him Right because that's her family and then she you know, that's something that she comes to fully appreciate You know the the grow big and shrink items that uh horn has that's from I love that light. I was worried for a second. I'd come out naked But my clothes grew too cool It was funny, um one of the bakers survives And uh when that happened when me and rags watched it I was like, why have they kept one of the bakers alive? What's going to be the point of that like storytelling value? What is the use of having one baker and it becomes obvious that that baker is sacrificed to show The power of the barrier and how you don't want to fall into the barrier Boss I need help dearly noted if I'm a bit busy right now Such a prick The the younger bear is like i'm gonna wear your clothes.  Yeah, he really is.   He's dead now. You're like that's as simple as it is. Yeah What did I do to deserve this? Yeah, I mean what specific way you should all see this movie. Yeah this one Talk about a just a Like I wouldn't have been if it turned out to be like good, you know, I'd be like, I guess I'm not surprised It's a good movie, but like it's phenomenally good. It's really good It's one of my favorite movies that I've seen in a while Um, it just kind of like shocked me with how good it was Oh, it comes as a huge surprise. I didn't expect it to be as good as it was Yeah, yeah, I mean, I didn't know what I was in for when I was because I was like, oh I need to start the for just this year.  It's like, oh wait There's like these animated movies I can check out because animation is cool And then I watched this one.  This is really great. What is going on? It has um, it has so much going on. There's so many moving parts and they're not like complex But there's so many characters Who are all distinctly different Who are learning their own things and have their own personalities and they're trying to do their own stuff Um, and it's it's not a long movie. It's just jam-packed full of great stuff. It's funny. It's emotional It's you know, it's deep It's um, just it's just a joy to watch and to listen to Yeah, it's just also nice to see like a movie that's not Two two and a half hours long Then you just have one that's 90 minutes. It's dense. It's packed. It's goodness. Like yes That's I don't know. It's like some of my favorite kind of movie content. That's like super long I mean if it's super long, but it's great like i'm cool But when you see like a mediocre movie and it's like, oh, yeah, okay I don't really care about this part. It's like, oh, this was kind of good And at the end you go like, yeah, it was fine but this is like 90 minutes boom boom boom keeps you on your toes Keeps you engaged has a lot of stuff going on. It's like, yeah I want more like this. It's it's good It's good That's right. This is uh, we recommend this is big cinema This is what a movie can accomplish. Yeah, I uh, I'm I'm I really really like it Um, we would obviously there are way more things to talk about but it's just that we're not It's not doing a full breakdown today. You can check out the forge with uh metal meme and I Yeah, I mean meme friggin I we did a fortune at two weeks ago. Uh, go check that out if you jump in one day a longer Discussion of it. It was quite fun. It's good forge. Go watch it And the tail they are obviously that one is just great to watch it, please. Absolutely more films like this They deserve show them. We want more of this. Well, I mean, hopefully Clear there's a reason why people are talking about it so much and referencing it everywhere This is what I'm referring to when I say like who's talking about avatar And I'm saying it is like no one's talking about avatar in the way people are talking about posting boots People are like, did you see avatar? Yeah, it was by the way guys Just on the oscar subject avatar the way of water is nominated for best picture Um, obviously posting boots because it's like best pitt chr Yes, the best picture the top the top the big award the the one that you're writing I know he said yes Wait fringy best pit p i t c h e r Oh picture Yeah Yeah, like a picture of milk I was gonna I was gonna have a picture of water, but also that yeah All right, you could fill it with whatever you want Sure. All right. Well, what I was saying was it's up for the best picture not picture. All right Don't fuck with me like that Too late He's spelled it out pretty slowly in the liberal I wasn't sorry, I was too Rags forgive you Okay Avatar the way of water is nominated for best picture posting boots being an animated film was obviously exempt because only three ever And even even then the two of them that did get nominated it's like wow those two really like over A bunch of other ones because it's beauty and the beast up and Toy Story 3 the latter two are not my favorite Pixar films While he was never nominated nor writer two or Incredibles or monsters in off They all got nominated for best animated film, but um Not but but again and person boots, you know, no nominations in any other categories either right like score or uh I I don't know if you call it visual effects if it's if we're talking like 3d animation I don't know if that's just like totally exactly It's just they get the they get the nominated one for the animated But yeah, it's the the point by the way is that I think that this film is one of the best films of the year I kind of think it should have been nominated for best picture. Yeah Yeah, no, I agree with that and uh, it's it's to me It's expected but unfortunate that I have a tattoo is in best picture just it's like an automatic gets in I guess Yeah games Cameron Because the first avatar got nominated for best picture too. It's like nah Yeah, I mean I should probably say for the eFap continuity It's like do you have any breakdowns of eF of avatar? Well, there is a medals forge on it We're all of us guest star Uh, technically anyway You're folding it is probably one of my favorite forge things that happened yet It's so funny But yeah, we were not fans of that movie at all to the point where I was I was like bored by the idea of breaking it down I was like I act. Yeah, I dislike avatar too. I'm not even apathetic to it Um, well, that's the thing. I dislike a lot of it. I am apathetic to a lot of it.  We've gone through so much stuff Yeah, can't wait to talk about it all sort of sort of situation. Um, but yeah, it feels weird to have done like a Uh, there's just so many movies that came out recently that I actually saw it feels weird And it's like well, we can try and rush through because I'm basically trying to find a way of now segueing into the next one because uh Speaking of animated films. Yes That was kind of neat right in the last few months because if we have three main movie topics for this this episode maybe more who knows, um It's kind of cool that you have Like, uh, you know 2d 3d animation style and then live action and then stop motion which That covers a large amount of all of film, right? tips of options uh Yes, the next one is Yelmo del Toro's Pinocchio of which I saw Well like 12 hours ago or something. Yeah Yesterday. Oh wait, I did Whatever that was Um, well, yeah, what does everyone think of this one? It's a very interesting movie. It's it's it's an odd one. This one's definitely an odd movie. There's uh in terms of like kind of its pacing and a lot of the imagery and Just it's just just the way that it looks and feels and sounds it's it's an odd movie And I don't mean that in a good or uh bad way necessarily. You're saying this is an unusual film Well, I think should just be said straight away the uh the stop motion is incredible Yeah, that's that's where I was gonna start. I was gonna say that right off the bat That's kind of funny because uh when I was taking notes for uh the watch it yesterday go watch it is uh Because I I couldn't tell if this was actual stop motion or animated stop motion. Yeah, it's weird It looks so good and detailed and So much effort is into it. It looks like weird. You have to stop It's like the first time you play a game at 100 fps.   That's really really impressive I've seen the behind the scenes clip.  It's claymation, right? Like that's what they do stop motion animated obviously, but clay like using clay figures And like they have a really cool style and they got tons of these like detailed sets backgrounds props and everything And like you can see the love and care and attention to detail and all of those things and this film is very much the same Obviously, it's a different style But like the amount of detail And care that would have been put into designing all of the characters designing them actually building them All of the sets the way that some of the things are animated Like it is it is immensely detailed. Like this is one of the best looking stop motion animated films like i've ever seen It's incredible. It's ever been made probably It's like you say you you forget that it's claymation. It just almost it it seems like it's It's well the characters have life, right? The whole point of animation is bringing your life through the illusion of movement and everything here feels alive There's so much movement. That's so uh And and i mean it's it's a lot of um because it's it's beyond just like the the I don't want to say beyond just the animation is really great. Um, the sets are really cool There's a lot of great framing and cinematography A lot of interesting techniques that are used because obviously it uses some amount of visual effects Uh, because like the behind the scenes that's up up there now this really cool long take of uh Of the monkey running through this area Where it's got like so many moving parts all at once and this is one uninterrupted shot Super impressive but like you watch the behind the scenes. I've got like lots of green screen little You know like props and things to hold the characters in place and everything There's a green screen this is the background but it's seamless. It's seamless though It's like yeah, it's it's how CGI should be used to Help tell a story instead of just be the story for its own sake, you know And there's a lot of cool techniques because there's a part where they use fire and like the fire It kind of looks like they you it's it's it's digital clearly, but it looks like there are Um It's it's like they're using sandpaper and like cello cellophane like the colored cellophane Like to sort of make it look like it's a practical fire. Yeah, I think you've got it pulled up Um Yeah, it's a really cool technique There's a lot of these really clever like uses of the technology to achieve things It would be like basically like like the water as well because obviously the water I've always found water and fire super interesting and claymation stuff because Just yeah, like how do they do it? You know gonna be stylized so hard. It's just kind of cool It's hard enough to do water and like with like proper CGI How do you do it? What if one uninterrupted uninterrupted shot stop motion CGI? So I would have taken like probably four or five months. I could believe it took longer than that I really took a long time I've always found it weird when it's like because people I think I saw I remember I saw a tweet That was talking about how the bad guys had like a uninterrupted Like at the opening that film has like a three minute long uninterrupted shot and like some comment was like Yeah, but like why would that be impressive? It's like animation like that's Like the whole thing that makes a one-shot impressive is the coordination and live action like in real time It's like So the cool thing about a long take in an animation is there's no way that one guy did the whole thing That had to do like really really coordinated Passing over the work between and obviously laying out the area planning out like This space that you're going to have characters move through all of the moving parts Like it's it's it's difficult in a different way and it's super impressive. Yeah, difficulty exactly. It's it's difficult in a different way But most should be appreciated. That's every shot in animation though. I So like having having one shot last for like three or four minutes and it's seeming totally seamless rather than if You know like an animator is working on one shot that's going to cut to the next shot It's just like a level of coordination that's required in terms of planning that out Especially considering it's not in a real tangible space you need to plan that out in a digital space And you can't be doing any like insane crazy like changes in a Like between shots because there are no changes in the shots like it's it's challenging That's why whenever an animated film does like a long uninterrupted Like shot, it's really really cool because the amount of work that would have had to go into that It's just nuts And in this case you see it in the behind the scenes It's like the amount of planning you would need to do to make sure that you get that right and that you need to be getting It right with each shot that you're taking because You know like when you do an animation you got to plan this out like you got to plan everything out It's really impressive is the point that's being made like this whole film looks fantastic like all the time Yeah, there's I was trying to think of if if we should just Sort of say that that is the the way it looks portion of our praise is just it's it's like a hundred percent Yeah, it's yes, it's really good what you're watching on screen doesn't do it justice like getting a good You know, it's just you you got to see it. It's weird So i'm just gonna push you can say it's weird. I just think it's awesome. I'm not gonna put Oh, it is but but I think it is weird I think that it's so of such good quality and so Not what you typically get in terms of its style and how it's done That I think I do think it's weird in a good way. I don't think you're gonna get something like this anywhere else um like this just seems to go above and beyond any other Acclamation thing that I've seen to where it almost feels like it's its own just kind of style um Oh, I mean this is a film that if you put it next to like, you know wallace and grommet curse or the wherever But it's like you can understand the differences in what can be achieved in the same medium with uh with stop-motion animation Yeah, it's like it's like cgi can be in a whole variety of styles whether it's you know Whether it's puss in boots or arcane or anything like that, you know um And claymation is this You know, is this move, you know, this movie proves A lot of ways to do that just claymation um Just of course These and and yeah the behind-the-scenes stuff really like illuminates the The kinds of things that you wouldn't think about like the fact that you need to create different sized versions of Sebastian j cricket And Pinocchio like to make sure to get the scale right if you need close-ups with Sebastian versus a long shot or not Like, you know, one's where he's much smaller and it's like those sorts of considerations of scaling and everything um that you're not going to notice right because it's so seamless like it's it's just it's it's uh You don't notice the techniques that are being used because they're so they're so well executed um It's like on a technical level. It's incredible Like what they've made here is phenomenal visually Yeah, and it's always just stop-mo has just always had a uh, I think kind of an uphill battle for appreciation as well It has it has because the highest grossing anim stop-motion animated film is chicken run Uh, and that made about 250 million something like that, which uh is a lot less than the most successful 3d animated and 2d animated films as well Stop-motion has always been more niche for whatever reason I don't remember. I've ever seen chicken run I don't remember I might have but it was it's worth a thousand. I might just don't remember it Maybe it's definitely worth a definitely Well, oddman oddman makes good. I I uh I I'm still undecided on whether my favorite is chicken run or curse of the wire rabbit Um, I just really like wallace and grommet a hell of a lot. Uh, so that might I'm not sure He's a favorite. All right favorite oddman. Yes, uh And in terms of like favorite stop-motion animated film Probably would be like if it was going to be probably like wallace and grommet or it would be between those two Probably but I haven't seen Coraline yet. So I uh, I want to we should re-watch that. I really would like to see it again because I have not very much enjoyed it I haven't seen it yet. So I got to see it the first time Well, yeah, that works too. But I guess uh, well, I mean, but uh, I guess now would be the part where it's like Well, so we've talked about obviously the technical aspects. What everybody think of the story I thought it was really good. There's just a couple of things that I was thrown off by Uh And and you know, to be honest with you There's just a couple of normal like things I would complain about an eddy story I feel like the the biggest one probably is uh The bomb that lands on them and it blows Pinocchio out onto a stone with the I guess other main antagonist of the movie is waiting for him Yeah, he's just he just kind of went there and then he sets up killing him there It's it just it's it's very uh, to me came across as like we've got to get this scene done now Uh, we can't quite fit it in so I don't know a bomb and then he flings over to where he is. It's just like, okay Sure But I would still say there's plenty to appreciate in terms of cause and effect especially for the characters And I was I I'd have to say I feel like it was really pulled together by the end.  I was That hit me really really Oh, yeah, absolutely. The ending just had me. Uh, I was a mess. I was a I was a wreck Well, I mean, especially we just talked about pushing boots. This this one has a lot to say about death as well And life and the meaning of life Was about yeah, I really love Sebastian jay cricket. Uh, you and mcgregor He's great. The character design is awesome. He's his voice is great. I really like Great. Um, I think all the designs aesthetically are just very, um, yeah, I love the look of Pinocchio Yeah, the blue fairy. Oh, it was on the screen. Yeah, the And the death's chimera Yeah, the feels narrowy deliver. Oh, the the yeah, the the wood sprite in the uh, and the death Chimera will cool. It's really really odd. Very interesting.  It's crazy. Yeah, I love it. I love it It's very almost like classic fairy tale in a way.  I was gonna say I think if anyone's familiar with Guillermo del Toro's work It's it's funny how reserved and restrained this is compared to a lot of his stuff like, um having the kid die and then like the Uh, again, I just want to say David Bradley man. What a legend. He keeps putting in so many fantastic performances Like, um, I love seeing him show up in anything It was really funny. He showed up in um, uh, Will Dend, right?  It's been like one and a half years. I think it's Need that in my life sometimes Um, how we got out of trilogy it's just uh, so Wolder frey and we got Ron Perlman Knocking out of the park here. I'm not done with David Bradley.  I didn't know if they knew Anyway, the uh, yeah, he plays uh, the first doctor as well as David Bradley.   I really uh, he put so much passion into this role I really uh, feel like Sort of ending scenes wouldn't be anyone near as good if not for his voice acting Yeah, he was he was he was uh, excellent because uh, Gepetto and and his story that was uh, that was really emotionally like Yeah, and it was it was because of him. He was uh He was fantastic like in this role Yeah, um him constructing Pinocchio and like, uh The crew the Sebastian getting like creeped out by it as well. There's aspects of like, um What exactly are you doing here?   All right. He makes some weird shit Uh, all of it is usually amazing in terms of how it looks though And you guys seen uh, panzel aberrant I have not I want to though, but I've never just I've never seen it again a movie that I think people remember more of However, how everything looked in that necessarily not necessarily compared to the storyline though I remember it being awesome as well. Um, it's just cool that he's still getting work done Especially handing him something like Pinocchio because it's it's the kind of thing where you're just like, yeah I'd like I'd like to see a Guillermo del Toro Pinocchio. Sure This is a passion project for him. He's wanted to work on it for like 15 years It shows He's really really inspired to make this. I mean, we're talking about like character designs the design for Pinocchio here is super Super unique.  Like well, and that's that's the point right as it's like If there's So this this movie's about life again Yes One of the things that it's about in terms of life is that sometimes things don't go according to plans Sometimes you don't get exactly what you want. Sometimes things get cut off short or things happen to you that just are terrible And it's like, well, how do you move forward with that? Like how do you appreciate again what you have? because in the case of um It's there's a there's a lot of symbolism that sort of emphasizes that the fact that he was constructing a wooden Of like the jesus on the on the cross like in the church, but then it gets destroyed When it gets bombed in the the bombing that kills his son And it remains unfinished for like the the next however many years while uh, jepeto was absolutely miserable Um, and then the fact that like pinocchio, right? He puts one ear on and it feels very deliberate that he has the one ear And by the end of the film that ear was lost that ear at some point gets destroyed or lost at the point that uh Jepeto essentially accepts that pinocchio is pinocchio and not a replacement for his son Um, but his other son right who is going to enrich and fulfill his life Um, there's obviously the symbolism with the pinecone the fact that the pinecone grows and then falls like representing You know life and death that um, I think uh, carlo grabs like a pinecone. That's not quite perfect And so jepeto was like, well, yeah, well, we're not going to use that one as opposed to like well, this this pinecone is good enough Right, this is um, this is this is suitable enough for me. Like i'm happy with this Um, it's enough those sorts of things. That's like pretty persistent throughout the story Um, and I just in terms of like, I guess tying it back to where it started I I love that like they have emphasized that pinocchio was carved out of wood that he that he's not real Because by the end of the film it's about embracing him for what he is Not changing him into somebody else or making him something he's not which is um By the way, that's like a that's a hyper consistent thing throughout the film with pinocchio when he goes on all of these adventures and Sort of uh interact with other people It's more so that like pinocchio through existing and being himself teaches other people things about themselves And a lot of the time it's about a character who's trying to be forced by somebody else into something Then not so you got it with the monkey essentially being forced into a life that he doesn't enjoy constantly tormented and ridiculed and treated poorly um, only to eventually basically find a family with uh, pinocchio jepetto and uh, and sebastian The sebastian is like um, oh or rather that um The son candelwick is basically being forced by his father to become Like a soldier and it's not who he wants to be it's against his nature You see a lot of examples throughout the film of him Sort of mirroring his father's behavior trying to get his approval, but it's just a get to a point where it's like No, I don't want this. This isn't one of one for my life. Um There's like a lot of that throughout the film of like trying to force Uh, something to be what it's not and and rather accepting a person for who they are um And then even just the things of like life doesn't go according to plan But that's okay You can you can find some good in it with like a real a relatively straightforward and not to uh difficult and confronting one where sebastian is like I want to write my memoirs and then the tree that he sets up to do it and gets cut down And he's immediately put upon this quest to essentially turn pinocchio into a good boy to guide him into a good person So he can get a wish and over the course of the story. He gradually becomes more and more involved and invested and um in uh The story of pinocchio To the point that he eventually doesn't even write his memoirs He writes a story about pinocchio and he's okay and happy with it There's a lot of this sort of stuff throughout the film and I I found it like really thematically compelling Well, you know what? Sorry, that was that was a long Well, don't need to interrupt it when it's going that good, you know, uh I actually found it kind of almost it's weird to say this I found it almost cute that at the end when uh, the story is still being described post Sebastian's death I was like wait, so Who wrote that down or who's talking and what's the context that it just cuts to he's playing cards with the The rabbits. I was like, ah, that's great Yeah, um, I quite liked the the death world Yeah And the lady that was up there. I found uh, she was one of the characters that I was most interested in for a dialogue Um, yeah Yeah, no, I I pulled up the cast because I was very curious about who was going to be doing more and Yeah, just to just to repeat what rags mentioned to the monkey. It's apparently voiced by kate blanchett, which is infinitely funny I only looked at the cast after I watched it and they just reminded me of how bad I am at realizing what voices are Or recognizing voices rather. It's like, oh, wow. It's like Ian McGregor and kate blanchett. Okay. You didn't Okay No, I'm just oh his voice is downright like super specific to me Yeah, no, that's what I mean. I'm like super bad if I just hear voices. I just won't notice.   I don't know Um, but yeah, this is like a stacked cast. It's it's quite incredible It is and I kind of christoph waltz is count vault pay as well. He was really great Well, so is it even worth saying christoph waltz is good in something at this point? He's good in everything. He's a phenomenal actor. He just never pulls in a bad performance Much like he got like everything is good here in terms of voice acting The character sounds so distinctly different the way that they speak is very animated and lively almost whimsical It fits with the nature of the the way that the movie Looks and it's kind of it leans into that old school fairy tale kind of element And the voice is just they nail that element. No gives voice acting absolutely captures child wonder and like Threat that it doesn't drop a beat in terms of just coming across that way while In a world that's you know There's not the nicest things are happening in this world No, because we're we're set in world war two, right? When we start in one and then time passes to two is that the I think that was the idea and I'm a little confused I I thought the movie took place in 1926 10 years after The yeah, maybe maybe that it's definitely sure somewhere in that line If not world war two, it's the interwar period. Uh, yeah, that probably makes the most sense Because we have the the tree that that that grew like all the way basically Uh, it's definitely like 10 12 years. Is anyone anyone chat anyone seen the the disney Pinocchio Because um, I did check reviews the first one. Yeah, and this one this one's getting praise You know topped of arm, of course while the disney one is getting shot a little bit And I'm curious is it is it as bad as like cruella and stuff or is it More normal bad. Well consider well Okay, what's weird about Pinocchio is that it seemed to be What was it the one that got like super panned?  I don't believe you. I don't believe you No, man, how many times do we say it couldn't be worse than that? And then it just is But we're fitting are we like forgetting stately the fact you say cruella when we're talking about like remember malon Things like oh my god that probably was worse than cruella actually I would say malon is worse than cruella. Jesus. That happened. They made that movie. Remember the original. Oh my god We watched them back to back. We did go watch that after this stream It's a really great back to back The Zemeckis Pinocchio is that we are now answering the error I mean, I guess it kind of started with lady in the tramp of like not only are we doing these remakes But now we're doing the ones where it's like, yeah, just throw it on disney plus Because i'm pretty sure there's meant to be like a peter pan remake that's coming out this year That'll be on disney plus too and it's like they probably get less money and probably like less focus Um, I don't know whether that's what that yields though in terms of the writing though really because like again Mulan and cruella were both Well mulan and cruella were both supposed to be theatrical releases and I think they had a partial theatrical release and I mean they both suck so You know, yeah Reap in oakius last year for some reason there were there were yeah, there's a funny one Yeah, I want to see the funny one at some point, but it'll have to be effort movies the one with that clip where it's like Is it just like really hideous voice acting like father? I want to go out to the world yeah Yeah, I All that I know of that's yeah of its existence is the twitter clips people saying guys guys You have to listen to this It's the worst thing in the universe and they were being honest I love because we've talked about this before but voice acting can be difficult to nail down exactly Like the metrics for how good or versus bad, but it feels like everyone agrees on the best and worst There's just not much Disagreement in terms of like you hear that clip you're like Yeah, anyway back to the good one, uh, because I'm curious to see the dude is d1 at some point, but I'm in no rush I'm like, you know, you know me. I've got this morbid curiosity. Yeah I mean, I guess it's an excuse to watch the original It does that's really true Because we can't just watch it You know, I'm gonna watch it on my own. It's not how it works. No There's rules this lol I mean, it is a really good for that though to watch the new and the old back to back when it's fresh in your memory You watch the good thing and now that you have the good thing ready to go in your mind I wasn't allowed to watch Austin powers again until we were ready to record watching it. You know, that's how it works Spoilers goodness. No, I already mentioned it to people. They won't see it for like two years. So yeah, that's true They'll forget that you mentioned it here. Yep in 2023. Yeah, just forget about it. Yeah, don't worry guys You'll get a whole avalanche of e-fat movies someday I might actually get to the point where I might it's not this calendar You'll have to buy new calendars to market the problem is we've got plenty more that we're set to record So we might have stopped culling them a little bit In terms of ones that I'll have to say goodbye to But don't panic because there are plenty that have already been created. We're just organizing when to release them Anyway, uh, what else shall we talk about? What are the topics would you like to Address with this film? Um, I will say this I loved the songs Yeah, I really loved it. I thought the songs were excellently done I think that the singers were really good in particular panocchio's singer Uh, incredibly talented Do you want to film a Remind Me Of? If they're musically Uh lion king No Let me think what lion king you're saying what this movie reminds you of music like what? Yeah, I'm still trying to figure out why so that gives you a clue as to not necessarily being conventional as an answer Uh, Lord of the Rings Oh no, okay. Um, Sweeney Todd Oh Okay, and I think it's just because of how how casually they'll start entering into a song and Uh, it's I say this is if this isn't convention songs are gone too long Yeah, they're they're short and sweet a lot of them. So I don't know. Yeah We need to Jesus. I see what you mean. That's was a long time ago When did that come out like 2010 2008? I don't say seven. No, I'm not sure though. I've seen that in the cinema randomly I like that movie. I like it too. I'm pretty apathetic when it comes to musicals, but I really like Sweeney Todd 2007. Yeah I like it. Sorry. We're talking about panocchio. Uh, sorry Uh, my bad. Yeah, uh The yeah, the songs they sort of peppered throughout they I think they they leave well before they're unwelcome, you know, like uh, Yeah, they're nice and short and they're pretty pretty neat Um Yeah, they don't overstay. They're welcome. They're they're short. They're done really well They're distinct from one another the singing is done excellently makes me curious if the singing is done by the original actors because You never know for sure They can get like impressionists. I remember that's how it worked for a lot of disney films Is that they would get uh people who sound like them but can sing, you know, because yeah, the voice act doesn't mean you can sing You know, yeah, my voice actor had one Milan's voice actress. She had one Um, I don't do that now with the remakes and that seems like the results are really mixed It wasn't at the point with them the lion king. They hired a singer The hardest thing are not an actor. Yes. And yet it sounds worse on both counts because of how they mixed it and how they directed him Yeah, well, well, it's because um I know that the one of them was uh Because emma watson as bell I don't know if like she's a singer but like you can hear some of that auto tune you same with woose smith Like you can hear uh, you can hear some of that auto tune in a lot of his songs as well It's like oh damn. It's like guys. It doesn't have to be like mechanically sterily perfect Like you don't want to go back and you listen to there's probably like early the who In the Beatles and stuff like that. There's a there's an imperfection to the singing That's really nice. It's kind of like when you watch it's like claymation Right. Well, I like that the little touches of oh somebody's hand probably brushed that out of the way But like that's charming, you know, yeah, exactly. Yeah, it's um, I think what I would say is that um When it comes to musicals something I've been thinking about more and more about the ones I like versus the ones I don't like is the feeling that the songs aren't so divorced from uh from the story It's happening It feels like the emotion is really coming through rather than rather than necessarily giving the absolute best performance of the song possible It's like the best performance of the song in the context of the emotions the characters will be feeling at the time um Whereas yeah, it's like maybe you shouldn't always Sing like you are like this this android that perfectly hits every single note and Like there's it's like a lot of instruments where like you can play the song perfectly note by note But it could still sound sound lifeless and mechanical and just Devoid In the lion king, right? I just can't wait to be king the the roar the difference between the way that the They they do the roar in the original It's like the one in the original is kind of rough And and it sounds like a kid who's actually kind of trying to do a roar Whereas like the new one Yeah, well, well, but a human, you know, obviously saying raw Whereas in the the new one it's like you didn't want to hurt your vocal chords too much Did you like you didn't want to you didn't want to sound too like awkward Did you so like instead you have this really flat delivery Um, but I I'd say it's direction fault more than anything directors should be like, um, yeah Try it again, but just like you don't need to hit the note like totally perfect. You could just sort of do a You can just uh yell and that's okay But I guess it would be it's um, it's like, uh, I remember I I showed Mola I showed him back to back of like Beauty and the Beast the song, you know The song bell one where it's her going through the town And everybody's like, oh, yeah, she's weird and then you compare like the contrast between the original versus the new one It's like Oh She's like you just lose so much so much Oh, there could be a deep study on the production of all of these originals versus remakes. It's sad I'm pretty sure there are there were some videos. There's some videos talking about the difference musically as well. Um Because I think it was a video that I watched that made me aware of that That comparison for Beauty and the Beast where I think the guy was talking about how you can hear The the uh the actress for bell and the original it's almost like you can hear her smiling as she's singing Compared to in the remake where it's I can't remember. It was definitely in a video that I saw Maybe someone in chat will be familiar with it. Um that kind of breaks down like these things that get lost in translation Yeah, and obviously why messes lion king is like very dives deep into the music and changes that were made Go watch that video. It's super interesting sideways. That's the guy. Yeah, that was the video on um Beauty and the Beast And what went wrong? Although I think it's just so Neat like Antonio presumably like I said, I can't say for sure But I'm pretty sure he did the singing but also the Spanish translation is like that's such a cool benefit to have Yeah, that's true. Yeah Um Emma Watson was just god awful. I haven't seen that film yet, uh, but I haven't either I showed you and you could you you heard it more. No, I know but I mean I'm assuming they're saying god awful is as a whole right, but I I don't know I don't I don't know what she is like as an actress. I've just not well I watched the Harry Potter films, but I don't feel like that's Wingardium. Livio saw Yeah, I don't know any I don't know what I conclude from having seen here in all of those I need to see her in something else. I think and that would be as well I mean, they're from a long time ago, right?  She was in that right and that is good Well, I haven't seen either. So, yeah, maybe that's like Yeah, even her acting. Well, yeah, well, it'll be that'll be an easy, you know, classic and remake sort of thing to do It'll be great Yeah, I've seen Jay Longbow's video on the beats as well. We'll probably drag her kicking and screaming into any fat recording for that We had it for the Mulan one and We've been dragging it to the old the Disney ones I think we did right the Dalmatians and Cruella. We had her as well. We did Dalmatians. She must hate us We we we've dragged her in for the Austin Powers one though. She makes us watch porn People won't know exactly what you mean when you say They will one day they will she'll release the edit one day. This the mystery will be vindicated Yes, there's the Lion King arc is it Lion King one then two Simba's pride and then the remake Well, you forgot one and a half Wait, wait, what? Sorry. Help me out Lion King one and a half I what is that?   Or is this a oh, no, I haven't seen this no I haven't Well, no, I wasn't aware of that. Okay. No, I don't know about Lion King 1.5 Well, Timber really, okay. I didn't even know that Well, there's also, um, isn't there a Lion King like cartoon show? I don't know anything about it other than that They did that a lot. I'm pretty sure that was a ta zan show Uh, let me actually look it up. What's it called? Uh, Lion King cartoon show The Lion Guard American animated series it's from Oh, the first episode was in 2016 so Final episode was 2019. So yeah, it was oh my god. Oh my god. It's metal. I found your brother Oh, I found your brother You didn't tell us I could see it. Yeah, I could see it Um, I That's uh, that kid from the middle, right? Um, you guys have watched that show in the middle I've seen Malcolm in the middle, but not the middle Oh, yeah, I'm forgetting a name everybody loves Raymond the wife. What was uh, and it had the uh, it had the janitor from scrubs Um He strikes me as the kind of person who talks like this. What is that? The accent was something. Oh, I don't know. I don't know The important thing is you wanted to have an accent Um, it's not an accent to him So, uh, someone I don't think I've talked to you about uh, for any of you I'd be curious what your thoughts are on this that uh, when he's first introduced kind of amazing and creepy and strange Like obviously it's a fucking wooden thing that's come alive And when he enters the church and starts moving around you get uh, suitably people like demon creature And then it feels like We sort of went when they visit him at night Everyone's just gotten over that and that never comes up ever again Yeah, it does seem like it's it's been moved past they just sort of accept that he has uh I would have thought it'd be better to commit from the beginning that a talking wooden creature Is just something in this world that they just don't find surprising instead of Selling it as though it is and then just dropping it. I thought it was strange Yeah, I'm like how'd you better accept the talking cricket? I was about to say that's another thing that they seem weird at first But then everyone comes to just be fine with and it's like, okay Look, I'd be I'd quickly be fine with Sebastian j cricket as well if I met him I'd just be like, hey man. You're pretty cool. It seems really nice. Everyone keeps beating him up I thought he was really upsetting when Gebedo stood on him near the beginning Yeah, he definitely takes the beating but he takes it He's got a little mustache Oh, and that's right. He just said in chat. This was the same for me I thought that the idea was going to be that the only person that could hear Sebastian was going to be Pinocchio um But then it gets explicit. I think halfway onwards that Gebedo is using information provided by Sebastian. So um Yeah, just some stuff like that that I was again a little bit thrown from or thrown But generally speaking it's very it's a pretty straightforward story I think um something that I mean, what do you think about this as an idea? They separate them out as Gebedo and Sebastian and then Pinocchio and villains essentially um Maybe maybe Sebastian should have been in his in his heart the whole time He could stick with him throughout his Pinocchio's adventure giving advice. I think it suits better with what uh His sort of stated goal was right? I think so too. I don't feel like um Oddly enough, I don't it doesn't and I don't know how I Like can process this more objectively, but I feel like we didn't get enough Really between Gebedo and Pinocchio or Pinocchio and Cricket I'm inclined to agree. I would have liked to see more of their relationship in a happy state And so when it's taken away, it it means more the longer they're separated because It feels like Gebedo is just coming to sort of value Pinocchio to like him Yeah, and then he decides afterwards and I can't it's a little difficult because Pinocchio is just like a little twerp sort of Like it like it's the beginning of like he needs to start learning his lessons and Some things like that and Gebedo really bonds with them over some things I find some commonality and in that process begins And then Pinocchio and him are separated. I felt like it happened a little too soon um And of course with you know Pinocchio and Cricket Spending more time together being able to you know Him being you know sort of sort of his guide in a sense or you know trying to do his best for the you know fairy Yeah, and you got He didn't do a great job like well you could still have that as a payoff Even if you were with him right you could give advice that keeps backfiring or you could try and get involved and make things worse Maybe the cricket thinks he's doing a really bad job and he keeps trying and trying and trying But actually Pinocchio is learning a decent amount from him It just doesn't seem that way in a moment, which would be a neat little part of the film to be like Yeah, you might not think you're doing you know really great at the moment, but you know keep trying The idea that Gebedo didn't get enough time with Pinocchio the impression that I got pretty clearly was that His life was improving in ways that he didn't fully appreciate yet And so like for them to sort of be happy and then get taken away kind of undercuts the notion that he just Didn't value him enough, which was like kind of the problem Was that he wasn't even though even though Pinocchio wasn't rich in his life. He just didn't appreciate it yet Um, and it was only once he was gone right that he started to realize that it kind of ties into the fact that when he Reunites with him later It's only when Pinocchio was dead that he starts saying the things he should have said a long time ago Like that he loved him that he was a son Um That he appreciated him for who he was it kind of feels like it ties into a lot of those themes about life, right of of Yeah, I think it was the final line right like stuff happens and then and then like it's it's over or damn I'm annoyed. I got that line essentially. Yeah.  He wasn't doing I guess. Yeah At least he would start to become functional sort of the second that Pinocchio Comes back. He starts doing things again. Like he he's already his life is improving and yeah, like stuff is happening that is Difficult, but it's like but it's it's at least things are happening like at least he's participating in life again um And it's just that he needs to sort of appreciate that this is like a new opportunity that he has And he's just not fully appreciating it about by the time that he's starting to get there is when you know Pinocchio leaves I feel like that was pretty critical right in terms of emphasizing That sort of notion that he didn't appreciate what he had if they were happy and then Pinocchio left It's like well Ben. He's not really learning anything. Is he he already? I completely reject that that's insane. Yeah, okay If we had a couple of seeds with Pinocchio, Gepetto Finally reaching an equilibrium and he's like, you know what I'm actually kind of happy here and then he leaves or is taken That's it. I could easily argue that's going to have more of a punch I think it would have had more of a punch for me because I don't I think they were just They separated him a bit too early. You needed to show I think a bit more of Pinocchio starting to I think Pinocchio kind of adjusts to his existence and his relationship with Gepetto Gepetto sort of does the same thing learning how to you know, sort of raise Pinocchio as not necessarily exactly like Carlo, but Well, I mean it's worth remembering right the reason Pinocchio leaves He wasn't taken he left and the reason why he left was because he felt like he was a burden Yeah, like obviously a negative encounter you can change little pieces however you want We can keep it so that he leaves to Maybe even protect Gepetto's life for whatever reason may come up If if you're gonna alter everything you still change it all I get I The thing is when I look at a change like that it's like I feel like we're starting to deviate a little bit too much From like what they were going for which is what I appreciated We can still maintain it. So like I said the scenes I'm looking for are ones that really give Gepetto a strong reason almost like tangibly to appreciate Pinocchio as opposed to What this film does which is Give give give reason that that's there. It's just it's just not as strong compared to a lot of the detriments that Pinocchio brought immediately And I think as well it does kind of time for me that it would have been smoother had I had more Um settling with this actual possessed piece of wood That's jumping around and is a human question mark Like that's terrifying and they run with that briefly, but then they drop it Uh, well sure, but I guess in terms of like the amount of time they have it's worth noting that I think Pinocchio leaves around about the halfway mark Like they're hanging out for a while Um, that's that's well, so what we're highlighting is that a lot of it is a negative experience for Gepetto Yes, um seems to be a vastly negative experience So right as it's becoming about But the thing is is that like there's things that are positive that he doesn't appreciate yet Like the fact that he's getting back out into the world and participating in life again Like I wouldn't describe that as it's go It goes un unnoticed by him and it's not like I guess what you would say is like an overtly positive thing But like that is an influence. It's already happening Just by virtue of the fact that like Pinocchio is now an element in his life that he has to deal with Yeah, I think they should be more in the world again Okay Because it makes the impact I can believe it much more than when Gepetto is compelled to like risk life and limb to get Pinocchio back Do you feel like it wasn't sufficiently he wasn't sufficiently compelled to go save him by that point? I was having a little bit of trouble with it. Yeah, because like I said combo What I think is a relationship that costs Gepetto a lot with the fact that this is not this is this is kind of terrifying It's a supernatural Sort of event that we're kind of brushing away because we have a story to tell That there's there's nothing and like I said if you'd committed to that from an earlier point I'd probably be okay with it. But they give us the regular reaction, which is that everyone gets scared and is confused Um, it's it's crazy to me that like characters later in the story when they first see Pinocchio have no issue at all Uh Like how much later were we talking because remember there was a whole thing where like he kind of made a much better impression When he started performing in those shows More my point is that nobody seems to be surprised by A puppet that is doing incredibly amazing things and then if anyone meets him Beyond the show you can have it confirmed. This is just a living piece of wood Yeah, everything from like the army to I mean literally Benito Mussolini The army stuff is what threw me the most I think As much as I appreciate the idea that he is an unkillable soldier This is crazy man. You've got a wooden Possessed piece of wood running around with a gun. I don't know even know what it's so strange But like I get there's there's points being made. There's lots of sub-tax here, but It's uh, it's a very the sequence was almost throwing me out a bit It was strange. Um The idea that we have um, I forget Ron Perlman character's name Podesta Yeah, there's like, oh like you have this like Like this this child-brained living piece of wood that eventually if it's like busted up and killed it Will come back to life in the perfect soldier. I'm like Really? You think so? Well, and and there's no mechanical testing as much as this sounds really uh autistic I just feel like what is how does it work? Can you take his head off and you'll come back? Can you burn him and you'll come back?  Is it like all telekinetically like? I don't know. Yeah, that's a question. I asked as well It's like what what happens if you just well burn him like volpe is trying to like what happens then if the time runs out you just have like saw dust flying around or like like I don't know what dust and he's in there somehow like yeah, how does that work? That's a good And you know, it's that mechanic is a big payoff in the film right the right And that's that's another thing. I remember me and rags talking about it. Yeah It's the film spends a while explaining like that mechanic that he can come back and he's like kind of happy about it But she's trying to sort of imply or I think explicitly state It ain't a good thing man Like death is what makes life meaningful and you know, you will never truly die But yeah, well, yeah, she's she's like actually you will die though many many many time Like she says it like this is gonna suck and then we find out near the sort of the big payoff of the film Oh, you can circumvent that if you just you know, just essentially just ask Yeah He says you just ask and the the situation's done and you're just normal That could be said that each of those first two times you didn't really like each time he's learning more and more about how it works Because it's sort of him having to couple it with his own understanding of what mortality is which he has to learn for the first time himself I find the time Initial words are going to ring much more hollow on a rewatch when you know that there's a loophole that is very easy Yeah, at any point you just essentially ask to not play by those rules and it's done Because if you have mechanics work this way, I would have thought maybe that the idea then should be that he's he's told like You know, you may have died, but you can go back unlike anyone else. That's that's great. It's amazing However, if ever you wanted to You know, you have to wait however long if you ever wanted to go back fast It would mean you could never come back again like setting it up in some way that Seems more coherent than Your cursed unless you do this really easy thing like oh, okay And the show sells it in the second portion of explaining those mechanics as a bad thing Like you'll be a real boy and you won't be able to come back again So I think it was more so that like he's gonna probably die Like if he gets brought back because of the situation that he's in But the I think that muddles a little bit with the whole death brings meaning to life If you kind of choose the rules you play by in a sense or it's it's not really making it Work so much as just cancelling it. It's it's it does it's strange. It's um It's not clever. I suppose that you can just Like the the way to to get around this essentially Undeath curse is to just say I don't want it anymore You know, like I wish there was maybe a more Oh, well, sure But like wouldn't the argument be that like somebody would feel compelled to get around that curse once they've developed a full Understanding of like that the value of life is derived from its finite nature that like initially it'd be like, yeah, that's pretty cool Kind of like what Pinocchio says right was like, yeah, it's pretty cool I'm not gonna die and that's neat and then like the more that he gets to experience the story He the more that he starts to sort of like grapple these concepts to where he would be in a position to make that kind of choice now Like that it's the kind of thing that he has to be able to learn himself Like it can't be explained to him He has to live it and then that puts him in a position where he feels compelled to make the choice Because you even see right he kind of struggles with the choice like he uh, he hesitates a couple of times Before smashing the hourglass. We'll see this and then I think what they should have committed to the It was something of a power that he had and enjoyed and he has to sacrifice that in order to save the people He loves who will not live that much longer relative to how long he could live Like that that sacrifice quote unquote is there but it's weird that we're set up as though It's a curse to begin with that he comes back all the time Yeah, almost like it isn't a sacrifice because you want to get to that like that's It was set up as a curse the second time each meeting reveals new things to him about it Like the first time is just you'll come back. The second time is oh, that's pretty cool It's like um is it and then the third time is no, I don't want to come back anymore. Like I want to I want to go back Yeah, and I like each one. It's different. I think throwing them all together is it's confused a little bit I don't think it's um It's super solid and it's one of the things that threw me like the This is why with the opening um, I kind of agree that like I I love the film For a lot of reasons the story. I am I am fine with I have lots of Things that confuse me slash issues with it, but I also have things I love about it Yeah, I would say that this story is I guess it's the weakest part, but that's mostly a testament to how incredible everything else is Well, what do you mean when you said the story is the weakest part like which are you talking about the plot? I Think so. Yeah Of character yeah um I guess I got to really think about it because a lot of this I feel like I have to put this in the frame of they're trying to tell like a fairy tale story And so there are elements of like what we said before in terms of oh, this is like a living puppet Uh, and and we get weird reactions to that that seem to be a bit inconsistent Um, but the characters themselves like I like the characters a lot. I really I I'd have to think about it more um To see to think about like, you know, podesta and candlewick and You know, like it just kind of all that's happening Nudges me in favor of this film is a lot of these just like little touches There are a lot of these moments where you just get a little glimpse of like the way that a character reacts in a situation that tells you a lot. There are a few instances when Uh, during the earlier parts when, uh, Gepetto and Pinocchio were like hanging out where you'd see like a little bit of softness In Gepetto's expression like when he sort of is like, uh, you know, I actually like Pinocchio And and then like it gets back to being focused on whatever the task is at hand There was a part that I remember there was point out in the forge where like when when uh, Pinocchio shows up in the church candlewick, um Podesta's son looks at Pinocchio kind of like, um, sort of sort of like Interested like intrigued about it like kind of a little bit and all then he looks up at his dad and then Mirrors his expression It's like all those sorts of little things and there are a lot of those throughout the film where it's like It's just sort of reinforcing It's these little touches that are reinforcing the uh, the core for a lot of these characters in terms of the uh, The arcs that they're going on And the fact that like all of their arcs are so well bound together by the central theme Well, one of one of a few themes, right? But one of the big ones being like, uh, trying to change the nature of something Instead of accepting accepting somebody for who they are Like there's a lot of that in the film and I think that ties together really in a really strong way Yeah, for people who don't do that. They meet Like bad ends, you know Yeah, well, it's just every time it has negative consequences for the person to the point that the person rejects them, right? Like the person that they're trying to change rejects them the monkey rejects a vulture and fights back against him Candlewick rejects his father and so it's like Essentially, Gepetto gets to learn the lesson, but he has the negative thing of like he realizes it too late And then it's only The film frames it as if if Volpe didn't have his attitude towards the puppet and In you know, his greediness and trying to turn him into something else and he wouldn't have been essentially driven To do all this stuff and eventually have his life destroyed and then perish as he did and with the pedestal It's literally like well if I accepted my son, I that bomb wouldn't have landed on my face So, um, well, it would probably be more so if I accepted my son this we wouldn't be here in this situation right now Well, even yeah, sure, but even in that moment. It's like if my son He got stuck right because Candlewick shot him when he was going to shoot Pinocchio Then he got tangled up and then that was the thing that made him Okay, I see yeah, if he would if he if he would have Not been aggressive to his son after His son said all those things to him and explained why he was behaving this way And how he was actually being brave by talking to you know, his father this way after all this time Then he wouldn't have gone through with you know I guess that's what I'm saying though is we've got a lot of these really strong parallels that lend lead up to And they're all like different in their own way and then they lead up to a payoff where it's like Uh, he he accepts he accepts Pinocchio when it's too late and then uh through like by virtue of like, you know Pinocchio's actions and heroics and Um, the what was sort of established with like Sebastian and the wish it it essentially enables Gepetto to get what to like to be able to actually sort of live the thing that he uh that he Finally realizes what he wanted and it was through like a acceptance of who Pinocchio was and then of course you've got all the symbolism that like supports that Um, like the fact that the era is gone. He loses that and now it's just like he is very much Just firmly just being this um this wooden toy rather than even remotely trying to emulate like a real person But he is you know, like a real person in the way that he behaves Um And then like the pine cones as well, right? Like the the pine cone being sort of imperfect But that's that's kind of it's that's that's got its charm and its value in its own way It's it's just these sorts of things that like I think really nubs the film Uh Like that work in the film's favor for me I I find that stuff to be quite impressive Um, like I think that's generally tricky and it's something that you only get when you put a lot of planning into your story Oh, yeah, every part of this feels very deliberate I get what you mean though in terms of like aspects that you think could be uh tweaked. It's just that I wonder how much those uh Tweaks are just like flat out changes that like would have some influence on the thematic through lines Uh, I don't think there's any changes that would that would um That would impact the the thematics that wouldn't be able to be tweaked alongside of it. Um Like I think that's yeah, sure. Um, because I wouldn't want to change Like the way that the themes are you know conveyed I think it's just like well, I wouldn't I wouldn't want to change what the themes are Because I think those are really strong I just think that the way that the plot sort of makes those things happen and illustrates those could have been done better in a few parts But sure, um, but I certainly wouldn't want to change anything that Is like a substantial change to what it's trying to say um If I understand you guys just would have liked to have some more time with jepetto and pinocchio After I did actually miss jepetto uh around the I did too. Yeah, there was a point. I was like man It's been a while now Yeah, because we were watching he said whatever happened to and I was like jepetto It just feels like he's gone for a big swath of it. Um In terms of just him not being around because we're doing the whole circus or The the carnival circus and podesta thing. Yeah, like those that's the thing and like I said, uh the Crystal falses character that getting sort of its conclusion felt so like you had you seen and now We need to figure out where it can go. It didn't Look like that like I hate to sound too mean because I think this is a phenomenal film in a lot of ways but that's a little bit embarrassing how they connect the end of podesta's plot line with the end of Uh, the the monkey and the six man. I agree that one's great. Yeah, that was really weak I think we said it yesterday. So it's like, oh, he's just here now. I guess that's it's so weird the way he lands That's where he is. It's just like why? Yeah, the there's plenty of opportunities to have volpe out of just like the sheer hatred for this puppet Following him trying to track him down and punish him with the vengeance like he was beating Uh, kate blanchett earlier on like we need to have him like there there's a reason to have these two meet and yeah, uh That that didn't have to rely on like an incredible coincidental thing occurring I mean you could have just done the volpe stuff before he just gets blatantly shot in the face I guess just have to uh before that maybe Yeah, because it's essentially yeah Sort of put on pause until it gets wrapped up when it could have been like taking care of there. Yeah I didn't expect him to actually come back Uh, maybe we had this scene. I kind of expect him to be dead really like both of them Uh, the monkey and volpe but then just appear there I'm more than happy for them to get their own sort of ending so to speak. It's just that uh, yeah, it could have been smooth Um, yeah Those that's pinocchio Yeah, very very good. Very glad I saw it. Yeah, absolutely both of these watch both of these. Um, I like I preferred, uh Put some boots myself but each one of these has an incredible amount of value and artistry and Just there's so much to enjoy about both of them that I would highly highly highly recommend Everyone sees them both. Um It's always good to get something that has its own style and its own feel and each one of these It just feels so distinct Like it's trying to do its own thing.  You'll never confuse it with any other movie No, like I I would be shocked if it if you would ever confuse it with anything else. It is so unique and It's it's so one of a kind and and it brings so much of value And you know to you as a viewing experience highly recommend you um watch both of these movies both puts and boots the last wish and uh, Absolutely. Yermo del Toro's Pinocchio, which is how it'll probably be identified for the rest of future is Guillermo del Toro's one. Uh, Yeah, I think his name is in the title Yeah, that's the whole title again about the Toros Uh, pinocchio And generally I don't say this to be mean whatsoever But I watched like I said cabinet curiosity is one of his newest things he introduces each of the anthology stories and Man, he is very big and he's quite old like For a person of that size.  Okay Also, it'd be nice. This is be alive like this movie talks about Yeah, being alive is pretty cool. I really like this movie. Definitely would recommend it Yeah, yeah, and both of yeah, it's weird that we get these two wonderfully stylized wonderfully voice acted visually distinct movies That really kind of touch on similar. Uh, yeah similar Similar messages in ways uh, you know concepts of You know mortality and the value of things and their preciousness and you know good moral lessons mixed in We yeah, we're yeah when it comes to the animated department. We got we got spoiled with these two. These are great Yeah, um, it's funny. Someone just said just watch posted boots on the record. They should have loved it. Thank you. Ifab's just like, oh, yeah Like that's possible That makes sense. Uh, but yes, like I said as was just said both these movies go watch them folks Yes, watch them both Please dude. We need more movies like this reward. Good eye. Oh, yeah I'm very happy to see both of these being celebrated. It's cool God damn. It's so good to get these two after watching avatar two Because avatar in my mind, it's an animated movie in my mind. It just I just that's what I think of it as it essentially is Avatar two is now the fourth ice grossing film of all time beat out false wakens Yeah Yeah That is kind of funny Who knows whether it will beat out titanic though. I think that's next up Uh, and then it would be end game and then after that. So yeah, so funny people have noticed is that uh, uh Zoe Saldana is in four of the top five highest grossing movies of all time And then the the funny tidbit is the in one of them. She's blue and in one of them. She's green That is funny. That is actually also you've got that interview where she's like I feel kind of restrained by being in big budget like films. It's like, yeah, I might too if I were you I hope your agent knows, you know, we could cut you a good deal I'd have to imagine it's the kind of feeling where you might get that I'm you know, maybe not but like it's a bit of the imposter syndrome of like i'm i'm in I'm in that of the that of that and it's like what it's like end game where she's showed up for Not very long. Um Well, yeah, it would be the question how much of this is actually attributable to me versus the ip's that i'm a part of When like niteri like what do I think of her as a character? It's like I can only think about her choice to He'll whatever rate children awful character fucker, um But damn, uh, hey, it's made the bucks.  It's making so many billions of dollars. I guess it was uncent It's probably better that than like multiverse of madness, you know, I guess Um, I just want to appreciate this. I just stumbled across it.  It's like, well, that's what happens Yeah Check off see I guess you could say that seagull landed on a mark Oh Oh Oh, we did it everybody. We did it You're not the first one to tell that joke rags people were doing it in meadows chat Oh really?  Damn that they would do that. Yeah, it's also just weird Yeah If you want more info on that movie Yeah, yeah, because I haven't seen it yet because that was before I saw the movie So it was funny. I'm pretty sure it was like right out both with puss in boots and Pinocchio I watched them like on the days that your forges were running and I was like Nice Kawinky dinks me too. That is a bit of a coincidence. No Uh, that'll push us over to a film. I was curious to talk about it I don't think it'll be anywhere near as long as the two we just did Two of us haven't watched it. Oh, well, that's fine We've seen it I suppose the first thing we should say is would you recommend it to good old rags and metal fringy? I Not sure. I don't know. Um, and I don't even know if it would be because I'm not I'm not sure. I uh, I'm a little bit I think I'm I'm not I'm not decided on the menu. I haven't quite figured out what I think about it Again, I'm getting visuals ready in the form of a trailer. I should do it. Yeah, sure. Um, sorry Also, I was gonna say I'll go Uh more strict than you. Uh, no, I wouldn't recommend it to rags offering. Yeah, sorry metal, but not because I don't think it's good Um, I just don't I'd probably rather talk to them about the ideas that are present in the film and then we'd watch something else uh I think um the the The word I would use to describe it as it's interesting But whether or not you I that means makes it good or bad like I don't know yet Well, yeah, so if we run with a basic explanation of the the premise And I I want to say it this way because this is how I was introduced to I did not Uh, I think you talked to me about it Fringy But I only remembered a couple of details to the point where it opens with like Nicholas holt and um What's the name of the girl? Anya Taylor joy, uh Preparing to go to a famous like restaurant to eat one of the greatest possible meals Experiences of all time from a world-renowned chef the greatest chef of all time basically it's just like, okay You know as film premises go it's like Sure I can watch people eat the funny thing about all of that is that uh like with banshees of inner shearing I I think I'm more enticed by these premises that are almost um Like like you wouldn't expect it to draw in an audience than the ones that obv