Alright, thank y'all. Thank y'all for coming out again. This has been a really productive time. I feel like to the neighborhood with everybody coming together. And I'm so glad that all parties are here tonight. It's been really awesome. So I'm going to take care of a few of the Tobin Health Media Association Housekeeping things. This is normally when we would meet, so we just kind of lump it into here. I want to let y'all know the purpose of this meeting is to discuss solutions to the violence and negative activity in any police group and how it impacts Tobin Health residents. And we want to discuss that with the North St. Mary's Bar. So I'm very grateful that it looks like most of them are here tonight. For it to be on St. Paddy's Day, that's awesome. We have a new board. Most of them are here tonight. Eric Trevino, he's our vice president. He's a co-owner of Scenes. Rick Schill, a treasurer, he's right over here. Heidi Patterson could be here tonight. She's our secretary. Alfonzo Rowland. I don't believe he's here right now. He's a resident. Paula Starnes. She's a resident. And Lynne Canabria. She's a business member. She's right over here. So this is the original logo and font in Tobin Health Media Association. A lot of this doesn't apply to a lot of people in here, but we're considering updating it with our new website. To something that reflects the modern neighborhood, but still kind of ties into the craftsman's style homes, the art deco features of the neighborhood. And this would be the new logo. So we're going to put this to a vote through the association and get the people sued back. And when we launch the new site, we're hoping to launch with a decision on this. The new website launch is dated for April 4th, 2000. It's going to be a completely new site. It's going to be very functional. You can pay and manage your membership online. It's going to have a lot of features. I didn't have. And for one, it's just going to work. I'm going to bring Stacy Jones up here for some updates. I am Stacy Jones. I am your D1 representative for Tobin Hill. The councilman should be here in the next five, six minutes. We actually have a lot of the city departments here to discuss the construction that's going on, the police substation that is happening, the noise ordinance task force. So right now, David McBeth on the section up here. Thank you, Stacy. Good evening, everyone. My name is David McBeth. I'm an assistant city engineer for Public Works in the city of San Antonio. In case you didn't notice, there's a little bit of construction going on on St. Harry Street. I know it's hard to notice that it's out there. And we just appreciate your patience. We are probably about, you know, almost halfway through. It started about a year ago on the construction. Of course, a lot of the work that we're doing now is utility construction. That's the underground work that has to happen so that we don't come back two years later and have to cut the street again with saws or CVS. So I will tell you that all the gas work up and down the entire corridor, all three phases have been complete. We are working on the second phase of the sanitary sewer work, which involves some pretty huge sanitary sewer large sewer lines that are having to be upgraded and replaced and using a bypass system to be able to do that. So that work continues. We have also worked with a contractor to try to accelerate some of the work by working in two different phases. It's a water work. So we're working in water and sewer now. I would say that probably around this summertime, we're wrapping up some of the utility work and then starting to see some of the road, the nice work, the road work that will happen and all the new sidewalks, the new paving, reconstructing the roadway. And that should all happen. Right now, our schedule shows us finishing about March of this next year. So about another year, I know it's a long time, but once we get through it, I think we really like it. The next to that too is, late last year, the Midtown Tours awarded about $2.5 million in additional funding for some streetscape and landscape amenities along the corridor. So we got that money through the council in December. We're working with the contractor and our design team to try to accelerate the design plans to incorporate some pedestrian lighting up and down the entire corridor to include some landscaping work we can squeeze that in and also some other amenities, trash cans, bike racks, things like that. So that's going to be included in the project as well. So with that, that's it for the St. Mary's project and you also, one of the other projects I'm not quite as familiar with, it's one of the, our architectural team is working with a design build contractor to build a new substation down at the south end of St. Mary's near Joseph Bede and Locust Bracen. We have a contractor and a design build team under contract. They are working on design plans and should be going to construction sometime later this year. I apologize, I don't know how that came up, but that work is ongoing in this part of the 2017 POP program. Thank you. Does that have any questions? I have a quick one. So I pretty much wrote the streets all over the place. People know who I am. So one of my complaints only is how about getting the spotlight signs off the sidewalks we just got on French. Because there's people with kids and strollers and stuff that are at risk of walking down the street. Sidewalks blocking, signs that are blocking the sidewalks, okay. Yeah, we'll be with our contractor team on that to just do a big quick check tomorrow to make sure we're not, you know, we have that signage up to guide people through the construction zones. I mean, there's a lot of space on the street with the signs. So we'll take a look at that soon. Yes ma'am. I'm a resident at the King's Court Department and what's happening lately is we have sudden water suffages, you know, there's no water available. It doesn't last very long, unexpectedly. And then now, I'm not sure I'm checking with the manager of the unit. There is a sudden sound that I've never heard before. I've been there three years. Like, you know, with the guys opening up a hole on the street, that noise, it came from the water here. So I don't know whether it's part of what they're doing out here or not. Water shut us, our contractor and our team should be notifying. That should not happen. They should just be surprised by the water cut off. But once it's an accident, they may cut up water lines and they have to run around and try to notify everybody. But if there's a planned outage for a short period of time, you should get at least a 24 to 48 hour notice for that. And I don't know if you guys have our capital projects officer represented in the city that is part of our public works team. They're there for you to notify. If you have questions or comments like that or you have a situation you need to address by the contractor. Sean Bovee, and if you meet me on the side, I can give you Sean's contact information of mine. Sorry, good evening everyone. As mentioned, I'm Mike Shannon. I'm the director of the city's development and I received the zoning for the city, the building department and code enforcement. Thanks for having me here tonight. Just a few updates of what we're working on in this area. The biggest thing, we are facilitating kind of leading the effort with our noise ordinance task force. As you may or may not know for the past year and a half, we've been asked by city council to look at our current noise code because we have, and not just in this area, all over the city, we have thousands of noise complaints each year and we currently address them in accordance with our current code. The council has asked us to work with a task force, a balanced task force and I actually see several of them here today. So if you're on the task force or you've been attending regularly, do you mind just kind of raising your hand a little bit? Let's see a few of you. Five, six, okay, seven, alright.  There's actually 15 members of the task force plus another couple dozen folks that regularly join and we have been working and going through, not only the current code trying to figure out what we should do differently, if anything. We've also actually been working with additional code enforcement in the evening dedicated to noise complaints. So since October we have some dedicated code officers because the first time we've done this they work actually from 8pm to 4am. And they've addressed over 2,500 calls since October. We have found a lot of non-compliance. We've actually found a lot of compliance so I think part of the issue will be education throughout the city of what is a noise violation and what isn't. But we actually have found 15% of the calls that we get are actually in violation where we get there, okay. So 85% of the time there's no violation about 15% of the time. We have statistics that we can bore you with. I have them all on my website. Anybody who wants them, we can show you all the calls. We actually have a log of all the calls that we have. It's all open on our website. But the goal is to use that data and what we're finding and seeing out there in the real world of what we're experiencing but not just here citywide to figure out what we can do to help business owners in neighborhoods as well as we get a lot of calls from neighbors having issues with their neighbors, right. The house party maybe, right, okay. So we're trying to figure out what we can do better to help those entities, all of those entities coexist. We actually just brought on you may have seen some of our news members have actually reported on this, but we actually just this month brought in a noise expert kind of consultant that does this, works on noise ordinance, has had some success naturally, helping develop a better ordinance that really allows people to coexist a little bit better. And I think, I think Martin, you kind of started this with how can we coexist better with some of these issues and noise being one of them. So certainly that's the biggest thing we're working on. It will likely take us through the summer months before we can bring something back to the Mayor and Council with recommendations. But we're going to continue working with the members of the neighborhood, the members of the business community, and all others that are involved. So kind of excited about it. It's not an easy issue. I think if we had a simple solution we would have probably enacted it last fall, but it's something we're going to continue working with until we get it right. But I have a lot of information that I can share with everybody. I think you guys have all the information because you've been very involved. So that's the biggest issue I have for you and you have to be around for the rest of the meeting to talk about any other issues for you. So I can answer questions now or however you want to do it. Yes, sir. About few weeks ago I was reporting on news that you were working on noise ordinance between construction and bars and music and all that. You were quick to pass any construction rules and all, but you didn't do anything about the music. So what's the point? I mean, to me, you know, the people who came into construction, they got results right away. We've been in the company for 20 years. We've got nothing here. I wonder what's the whole look like. So I think of my early question. So yes, actually there were actually two noise issues that we were asked to do. The noise, the construction noise issue that we just got passed by city council a couple weeks ago, actually, I think it was last month, that actually started after three years ago. So it took us three years to do that. Certainly there was a pause because of the pandemic. So that was about a year, year, almost a year and a half. But it actually did take us about a year and a half of working with the construction communities and some neighborhoods to figure out what that looks like. So while it's already done, meaning that piece, it did start first and it ended first. But that was challenging as well. I was in a lot of meetings with a lot of neighbors, maybe residential homeowners, apartments and or those living houses, next to construction projects. That was a challenging one. But we did just pass something. I think we did make an improvement to the code. And if we have construction companies that don't follow the rules and after we issued them a couple, either going to citations, we will have to shut them down. That's what we ended up doing with the construction companies. And our construction industry in town actually agreed with that. They thought that was a good way to solve that problem. But I know we're still working on the other parts of the noise ordinance that we've been tasked to do. But again, it did start a little bit later. It started in early 2020. So hopefully we'll get it done for the end of this year.  But we're working our best to try to get something that everybody can live with. But I know it takes longer than we all would like. But that's a good question. Thank you. I have a question for you. I've been in this neighborhood for 55 years. So I've seen the strip when it first started. The noise is coming back. I used to be I've been brought up on Ash Baker. The noise has gotten really bad between the hours of 1 o'clock and 4 o'clock in the morning. Because of the cars they have their boom boxes, full glass. Some of the neighbors complain about vibration of their windows. That's how badly it gets. Is there a study being done about that? And what did we expect? Sure. So I think all of it, oh, sorry, all of that is actually being looked at right now. I mean, we're getting calls. Let me step back. So the city manager asked us in October to really dedicate some staff that's all they do three nights a week on the heaviest nights of the week, Thursday, Friday, Saturday. We've been doing this since October. Asked us to only take noise calls. We have a police team here and the police department gets a lot of different calls every single day. They're out there protecting us, all different types of priority calls. But what we've done since October is actually just add additional staff, six additional staff in a pilot program that really focus on what's going on, whether it's noise from somebody's business, whether it's noise in and around the business, like cars, because that is a violation of our current code. And we're the house parties I described earlier because we get a lot of calls on that. I think that's where most of the calls in the cities come from, the neighborhood neighbor who's partying too loud in the wee hours of the morning. But we get a thousand of calls but that is part of it. So I don't know what the solution is going to be and what the task force will tackle, but I think that's all built into it. And that's actually why we have code officers working the late shift, not just eight to midnight or eight to two, it actually goes to four in the morning because we want to capture some of that that even when some of the business is shut down at one or two in the morning, we know there's still a lot of noise. So that's part of what we're looking at. I don't have an answer for you on what the change is going to be, but I don't think it's part of what we're doing. Okay. Thank you. I'm going to repeat the question, so if you asked that, can you make a comment? Carol, thank you. So Carol mentioned again that this goes on so far in the morning, we have a lot of young families, kids going to go to school. And again, the question was, is there a study going on? Are we going to come up with some clues? And I'll just repeat. Yes, we're actually working. We have a pilot program that was authorized by the Marin Council last summer. We started in October to the study or we call it a pilot program. We've dedicated additional staff to actually take down the calls, study the calls, bring that to the task force that I talked about and then we'll come back to those issues. So all of that, whether you call it a study or a pilot program, we will bring those back to the Marin Council with some recommendations, whether it be code changes and or policy changes to help alleviate some of those issues. Yes. I just have a quick question. I've seen the reports online from October all the way to last month and I see where these, you know, calls are coming in. What if we repeat offenders? What's going to be done about those repeat offenders? So the question again, what if we repeat offenders, right? We have a noise order on the books right now that says you can be this loud if you're this type of property. If you get caught over that, we have right now that the coach says you'll get either a warning or a citation. In our code right now, there's no elevated repeat violator condition. That is a topic that actually has been discussed by the task force. There's been no resolution to that. So I'm not sure what the answer is, but I know that's one of the topics that many of the group I think are thinking they're kind of doing, right? It is one of the, you know, if you get caught speeding once and I'm not a cop so I don't want to use your example scheme, if you get caught speeding once and don't take away your car, right?  And I'm sure it is. All right. I'm going to get in trouble because I'm putting the chief on the spot, okay? And I have one in the, it's here. Is that okay? I just wanted to declare in case you don't want me to just say so you have a different selection. So if there is no code, how do you get a code? Is there anything? So we have to do it. I think right now in our current noise ordinance, there's no additional either penalty or escalated penalty if you get one violation or two. It's just, it's the same ticket or violation. Now the idea being is you don't want to keep getting tickets. They cost money. It's a plastic misdemeanor. But in order to get a code change, the only people that can change their laws or change their code are the mayor and council. But the idea will be that we will make recommendations. The task force and then likely me as the building and code official will make a recommendation to our council colleagues, our council members on whether or not we want to change the code or not. And again, that may or may not be added to the code. And so it's resident. Oh, absolutely. Yes. Oh, absolutely. Do we have a writer or a conference center? Sure. Well, I love you to write us in the task force that's working on it, but you're always welcome to write your elected officials. I don't want to speak to that. The city council members will be the ones voting on a city code change. Believe me. How many people were not here last week? Okay, not too many. So before I ended the meeting or we were partnering last week, I mentioned that I wanted everybody to understand. I wanted everybody to know that we will continue to work on this thing and last week or last meeting wasn't just a conversation and we forget about it until next time. I wanted everyone to know we're working on it and doing our best to come up with a solution that's sustainable that works and is sustainable. So I've put together three options. They're parking related and the first two are probably not sustainable from a financial perspective. But I'm going to put them up here anyway. Now, if you get mad, when you see these things the guy who put this together is standing back there I'm just presenting it. Deputy Chief Chris Benavidez is back. There is your hand, Chris. That's the guy to throw the darts at. No, seriously Chris was a captain assigned to the Emergency Management Center, the EOC, the Emergency Operations Center that's next to the Call Center and he worked there for a number of years and he's a big project guy and he put this together for me and I asked him to take a look at it and map it all out. He's been the ops coordinator for the incident commander for the final four and a lot of big events here in the city so he knows how to put this stuff together. We've got our city officers back there raising hand guys. We've got them back here as well and everybody's familiar with the city. I just want to comment real quick before I do this. I just want to comment on some of the Carol, your concerns about the noise and your concerns about the noise in my humble opinion I'm not sure what we're studying the noise is coming from the strip as they come back in the neighborhoods there's your studying and I'm not sure again it's the two worlds of the commercial community and the world of the community the residential community are colliding here and that's what we're trying to fix that I don't know what the study is going to be but anyway that's my study so these are all the issues we talked about last meeting I mentioned that there's two issues that everybody's concerned about and I want to make sure I was identifying properly one is order maintenance issues which you see up here and then to compound that you have some violent stuff going on on the strip every now and then and you just exacerbate each other so that's the issues that we're looking at right now primarily can we pop up the first okay so this first study is 25 officers and two supervisors and what we're doing here is all around the community on both sides of the strip we're going to block anybody from coming in you can't you don't have access to park back in the neighborhoods with this plan it calls for 25 officers a night I don't think from a financial perspective that's sustainable unless the bar owner won't pay for it but sorry I know there's bar owners in here I'm just kidding so the second one is 15 officers and we're just blocking both sides of the strip I'm going back to the neighborhoods but that leaves the whole backside of each well that side of the strip open so I don't know that's all that effective and then the third one is probably sustainable we got seven officers one supervisor but where you see the X's they're all barricades and that would effectively keep people out of the neighborhood now will it be any convenience to the residents who want to get in and out really because you just have to move the barricades if you want nobody's going to do that but that to me is the most sustainable from a resource perspective we can try that and see how it works there's also the options that we could give out two yellow cards or a yellow card for people who live there and want to come back and forth and they can have that to show the officer if they can stop from moving the barricade but that's about as best I could come up with right now or anybody want to yell at Chris for these so that's about as best we can come up with right now but the issue here is people going from the strip into the neighborhoods after the bars closed and after the food truck shipped out if we do this it'll probably impact that to some degree I need a little bit more detail as far as times and if people do patrons move the barricades what are the repercussions for that they would receive a ticket for that receive a citation for that and the timing this is all just big picture stuff the detail of the time that's the easy stuff to work out but this is just the ideas that we came up with and I just wanted to present them here tonight for you to consider these guys moving the barricades will be patrols in the neighborhoods how are you going to physically you know we have to observe it happening to catch them so it's a you have to have observe a little yeah yeah we have to observe it and again this is not airtight but if it keeps out of the cars from pointing to the neighborhood maybe it's a relief the question was is there going to be a parking garage somewhere in the neighborhood or somewhere where people are going to be able to park you know you have this problem that's created by this you know there's one problem I'm worried about and it's the neighborhoods residents who live there not where people are going to park possibly but again my concern by the way my concern is with residents well they wouldn't be able to get tickets they really wouldn't be able to do anything well I mean if somebody wants to get up in their face I mean it's probably not safe for them to do that do you observe yeah I just hope you could say especially in today's world whether everybody's going to be able to park well then we get into the parking the the control parking residential parking thing this is just bare problems right here and it's doable but you know all we can do is see if it works it was a complete failure we got too many people slipping in and slipping out and nobody's getting any relief from the noise and it didn't work so we've talked about we've talked about all types of permeations and mutations and now the parking might look and now the traffic flow might be but we haven't come up with anything permanent yet I'm curious to hear what fake Dawson's going to say about this gee the residents had a like a sticker that you could put on the cards if the a car is located in that area that doesn't have a sticker the police could have towed or ticket that car so the residents could go to the city and put the resident keys in that area and we could put a sticker on our car windshield and so if a car is in that area during those off-time periods an officer could have that car towed or contract with the towing companies going and tow those cars and what you're talking about is the residents reporting but we've talked about that and I don't know if we've come well we simply haven't come to any decision on whether that's going to fly or not you towed 20 cars in the word of that I mean we've done that I live in the North St. Harry's and when we towed five parking complex five cars got towed and no more parking in our complex well that's not working in these areas we've got numbers to show we've been in tow all the time problem is it's not having any impact because people are still parking there gentlemen my question to you there's a program in King Radio that's working successfully and I know some of the residents have problems with the business community and they're worried to resolve it but I don't know exactly how they set it up where was that? the King William area oh President my name is Robert I'm your city council member here in District 1 and that is what our next agenda item is going to be for it's the study by Pete Dawson looking at a parking study in this area what streets are narrow enough that you could have no parking whatsoever on it if you want to what streets are wider and where you would have an option of doing residential only parking during certain hours maybe during the evening hours and so I don't know if it maybe makes sense to move on to that agenda item right now let me do a few more sure let me do a few more introductions just real quick some housekeeping I'm a State Representative Diego Bernal here and I saw that Senator Bernal's is Prestigian Services Director Ana Alicia Romero in the back and so I just wanted to look at the knee also with Diego Bernal's office so I just wanted to share who else was here in the room if you have other questions but just so for those of you who were not there at the meeting last week what I heard as a number one ask was we want to be able to have limited parking in the neighborhood that's something that we had a conversation with when we had a town hall with a lot of the bar owners for the North St. Mary's strip area and they were okay with it and so that's the direction that we have the district one council office has moved in and the city has a contract with paid Austin to come in do a parking study we've already met with them and given them some feedback on it but this is your opportunity to give them input on it so that they can get started on that I'm Justin Clark with Tate Dawson so I'll be working with the city on this parking study so as Mario mentioned we've met a couple of times with city staff and the different various groups to talk about this parking study so a lot of y'all's questions tonight about the parking and the parking permit stuff or things that we're going to be looking at just give you a brief overview of where we're at today what we're going to be doing in the next few weeks and months to come on this parking study so we can come back and provide a formal recommendation on how to move forward with the situation and hopefully improve everybody's quality of life in the neighborhood so up here on the screen is an exhibit of this area the red outline is our study boundaries so we'll be looking throughout this area on Thursday, Friday, Saturday, Sunday and even other times during the week we'll be focusing on that nighttime period really taking a look at when the bars are the busiest and causing the most grief for y'all as residents so the study area just on the north it's Weesatch on the north, Makola on the west down to Myrtle Street on the south and then 281 is on the far east side so we'll be going through each of these streets and looking at and trying to quantify what the parking issue is how far are people parking away from the bars, how far are they willing to walk you know because when we set up our look at putting a residential parking permit program together for this area we need to know a few different things what streets do we actually need to implement this on how far, how many blocks away from the bar area do we need to look at that what streets need to be potentially converted to not have one parking on one side or the other to make sure it's safe for fire emergency if there ever was an event that y'all's houses so we'll be going through that looking at that during the daytime taking over the next two weeks will be very intensive effort on data collection looking at this area and watching during the evening we talked about the time frames of that we will be here until 3am in the morning looking at the problem our understanding and talking with city staff and the council's office is this problem you know after the large close at 2am people go to food trucks and that type of thing and that creates a lot of noise issues and people trying to get back to their cars so as far as the options there's a multitude of different things that we have talked about looking at in this area so the residential parking permit is one of them I heard several y'all mentioned the King Williams study so that ordinance is for commuter traffic right now so it's for 8-5 commuter traffic was really related to the H.E.B. staff coming in and parking on city streets so our objective with our study is to figure out how often what times of day do we need to implement this is it just certain nights of the week is it seven days a week 365 you know is it just a nighttime type of thing so that's we have to get all the data pulled together we'll also be looking at alternative parking solutions if we implement a no parking permit program where each of y'all where to get two stickers for your cars at your houses you know what happens if you have a party at your house how do you have people park on your street what happens with all the parking that is there you know if it's 500 cars where do these cars go how does that affect y'all's situation in this area because we all know that they're going somewhere they're still going to come to the bars so we'll be looking at alternative parking facilities is there a way that we can incorporate parking and work with other areas that do have available parking like where we're standing at today you know they have available parking and I know the church and we had talked about that previously possibly using some of this because the reality is they're going to go somewhere if we limit every street in the neighborhood so we need to quantify the issue and figure out what to do with it and so the parking permit solution it is one idea you know we've talked about working with even VIA to try to have a busing service to bus people in can we work with the bar owners to do carpool, Uber those type of things and where would people park so the long story short with our study is it's going to be very intensive the next two weeks me and my team will be out here during the weekdays and nighttime Friday Saturday Sunday nights looking at the issue and quantifying that our goal and our with our study is to come back and work with the city staff and come back to this group present our findings as far as what we saw data collection wise I'll be showing pictures you know making sure everyone is comfortable with what we saw and then our recommendations moving forward after that point you know if it's a residential parking permit there would need to be signs put up we would have to work on the permits for that work on the ordinance with the city so it's a process to get this done so again the goal of this is to come back to y'all in May and kind of present the results of our study and go from there yeah I know you're doing the study once you go to the music department pull all those files records of all the reports that we've done in the streets you know all of this all these reports about drums, double parking blocking our driveways that will help your study you don't have to go too far to do a track and a study that will tell you how bad the situation is in this neighborhood you know I know that you said that you know talking about the parking situations and all that the parking is not going to stop I guess we put up those signs because this kids don't care damn about our neighborhood they don't care about how we be I mean I've had people steal from our yard people urinate in my yard people take dumps in our yard people you know just do unrealistic things in our neighborhood these studies that y'all going to do is that's going to help our neighborhood because I know what's going to happen nothing I've been here for 47 years and nothing has been done and I told myself all these don't be pushed underneath the rock like everything else and also what I'd like to see it says paper dollars and I know paper dollars is also a survey company I'd like to see a survey on this bar see how far there are some in there 300 feet from a church and they're not supposed to get a permit a liquor permit that's 300 yards how are you guys doing I'm Mark, I own Brass Monkey I'm going to address the question you had about the church and schools for the church it's the church's front door to your front door that has to be 300 feet that is in cutting across the street that's going down the sidewalk to the corner going across etc that eats up all that sport footage so it wouldn't release a liquor license if you didn't comply to that so the ones that are currently open comply I'm here today because I saw this on the news and you're talking about the bar owners comply my son was the victim of a violent assault at Paper Tiger and lost his eye and they got minors in there I had to my the people at Paper Tiger did not call the police they used to call the ambulance my son's friend did and when they took him in I called and made the report about what had happened and it was upgraded to a felony assault Detective Bada Larry told me not to call the media because that could hinder the investigation and so I didn't when I saw this on the news I thought it was important that I come and tell you that they should not be letting minors in there I called and left messages for child care numerous times can't believe you numerous times let my phone number ask for video footage of anybody saw who assaulted my son nobody called me nobody helped us at all my son lost his eye in your club and when I had to call TAPC myself because nobody reported it so I wonder how many times do people get thrown out of the bar and no reports are made and he's allowed to do business with imputed while my son is disfigured okay so it took a lot of courage for me to come here to say this to you but there's real people behind the violence and the alcoholism and everything that occurs here and I just want to make sure everybody's cute it's important that that happened and I feel really bad one of the things that happens is when there's things like that in a bar we as bar owners, club owners are required to contact TAPC we don't need to wait for SAPD to do it we are required to do it on our own if we don't do that that's a violation of TAPC that's something that they can look into but when we have big issues not just a little scuffle that's a huge issue I don't understand why you're sitting here standing there acting like you care you know how many people I've seen walk out of your bar dead ass drunk falling on their face down on our street and you're talking this bullshit right now don't be acting like you care because you know you don't I wouldn't be here if I didn't care I understand you're upset and nothing's perfect in the bar world when you start filming everything people do film them in the bar and you're over serving them we're not over serving we're not over serving you know you are there's a pamphlet you're more than welcome to do we have over 30 cameras in our building I watched those we have a company from Vegas what about that kid that passed out in Joe's front yard he came from your bar he even said he was there he was underage we don't allow minors in we've never let minors in we get it roughly about that's right you don't let minors in you let the dollar in we don't charge cover we have security under our door you don't understand what I just said that's fine we can disagree to disagree but the point is we get a lot of minors that come to our door we do not let them in we get five, six fake IDs per night that we turn away we rent them from going to other bars we were told by SAPD we're not allowed to keep those IDs because it's not it's their property we can't keep them so we have to give them right back and then they go down the streets of someone else you can't keep their ID you can keep a liquor from them if I had a bakery and I was open at night and we had these issues I understand your concern but I have a right to run a business the city you also have a right to supply them to a parking you shouldn't even be open because I don't have a parking you have the right to supply parking for them too and you don't so why are you open we're grandfathered in we're grandfathered in I like a lot of places like the places downtown that have zero parking what little parking you have it's where you're employed you don't even park there alright let's I'm gonna sorry I combined your name alright we're gonna save time for all the bar and club owners to come up here and present the North St. Mary's Business Association's agreement and let's save that time and let's try and pool our jets Gilbert Mark's a big boy he's always willing to talk alright so this is supposed to be about finding balance alright it's between the balance is between the residents and the bar and club owners alright and we're worried about the maintenance issues then the violence exacerbates all that stuff we don't like to come out of our homes and there's beer bottles in our yards there's vomit okay so I've had somebody throw up on our front porch because they're just sitting on our couch it's on the front porch I've had somebody take Joe number two in the yard had people just go all the way to basically our backyard to go urinate had people throwing out condoms after having sex there's a lot of these maintenance issues and if we can take care of the maintenance issues it will improve the quality of life for residents so much and it can create some coexistence here now something I've put together here is a timeline of what's going on here and the goal is to get to 2024 I know we want immediate action and there are some immediate action items but things are going to take time to change and the businesses agree that things are going to change when a lot of these things get done we've got Don Pitts and helping mitigate sound he started March 1st I believe he was hired so he's going to go into every bar and club that's having noise problems and go in there and try to figure out how to make it work with the bar and club and residents and educate people we've got the North St. Mary's Business Association Agreement alright we've got 16 of 19 bars and clubs I believe have basically agreed to this changing some standards and having a minimum standard for operation over here to improve things for the neighborhood I know there will be some debate here whether they will work or not but these other things will, these all tie together okay so we've got the parking study we've got residential parking protection or just residential protections in general we've got the bond getting the bond completed multi-family living projects that are going to be completed and SAPD sub station so the goal is to get to I believe good is on the other side of 2024 it's just going to take some patience so this, I put this together this is how this is going to help balance out the neighborhood here we have at least Tobin Hill initiatives we've got the construction we've got the North St. Mary's Business Association Agreement and getting residential protections so with the bond construction and multi-family construction and we've got the SAPD substation, these things are going to improve the infrastructure of the neighborhood and with the significant increase in multi-family living businesses are going to be less reliant on having cars come over here you're not going to need as much of a need for parking with a thousand plus new multi-family living apartment units here now I know that's going to arrange some people because that's also changing the dynamic of the neighborhood with that many multi-family living residences but we're in a dense population St. Antonio is growing faster than the housing so that's just something that's we can't change, people have to have somewhere to live and with the construction and also create a safer, more functional community for residents business pedestrian cyclists having that substation there the road making more sense and perhaps less traffic these residential protections we've got the parking study being done Don Pitts and Mike Shannon facilitating the noise ordinance pastors improving people's quality of life those improved parking protections for residents will reduce those maintenance issues and strengthen the North St. Mary's business association agreement so this agreement here is the most immediate action we have and to tie into the parking study also what Chief McManus proposed with the barricades those things are something that we have going on right now and we got to remember that a lot of this is tied to this construction getting done that a lot of this is going to improve the neighborhood and I've talked with this bar and club owners business owners and they agree, they see the future they see 2024 and they see how the neighborhood is going to change and they're going to change with the neighborhood you have to go where the clientele is so they're going to change with the neighborhood and that's not a bad thing when you I'll go further here on how it benefits the businesses talk about the residents some of this we saw at the last meeting talk about the residential parking program protecting the residents and listening the impact of what's in front of their houses happening is going to be the greatest improvement for the residents additional measures we're restricting the access to some residential streets some streets are so inundated with bar traffic it's dangerous to just sit outside and you can't go out with your kids it's not like that they're violent it's just insane so some places might just need to have traffic completely restricted on the streets for improvement the theory I have I'm sure that I'll get some something to answer I don't know if you would subscribe to this but I think that if you reduce the guns you're going to reduce I mean reduce the cars you're going to reduce the guns there's nowhere for them to keep it you can't bring it into the club you're not going to bring it we're going to stash it if you take an Uber and reducing the drunk driving the future is ridesharing we're just investing where the future is going anyways the rideshare program getting the bars and clubs to help run that or something there's a lot of benefits of rideshare programs for businesses there's apps now that you can incentivize your customers to come and they can earn rewards and it's essentially you pay for their Uber as long as they pay for their tax of a certain dollar amount so there's studies been done on that that actually increases revenue for bars it's freeware noise compliance and mitigation y'all gotta turn the music down I don't know what to tell you there are just spots it's not every place there are just spots where it's just like you're just way too close to a resident it's not feasible to have it above a certain level even if you're compliance savior at 63 dB at night which is the level right now some places are so close but 63 dB is incredibly loud still no outside DJs yeah we do have a lot of DJs out there so we've had a pandemic also but music, we're gonna argue a science with me on this one so let's not argue a science volume of sound is scientifically linked to increase consumption and consumption you get them liquored up and you get them the loud music going bad things are gonna happen you gotta have those kind of considerations drink prices alcohol is the root of all problems on the street it's where without that alcohol people don't get in fights I used to party in college a lot Thursday through Sunday I was terrible had to drop out I did graduate eventually and then every fight I've ever been in was with another drunk person and I'm considered a calm person you have to have your price reflect the volatility and instability it unleashes on the neighborhood the city and patrons' lives they're pouring it down they're getting in car crashes they're the ones getting shot and killed they're the ones in the fights and if you look into the research I'm not gonna share all the research but St. Page's Ireland, guess what they have drink minimums that is law there that you have drink minimums because it's such a problem when they did the research the drink minimums priced out the binge drinkers it didn't price out the person that's out to try to go out and be social and have a good time it priced out the people that go there and they're like one dollar whiskey I'm gonna drink this all night and so we gotta keep that in mind it affects the smaller portion and when it comes to drink prices whatever revenue you reduce it to to improve safety of the neighborhood and the safety of your patrons and employees that's just the tax you have to pay alright, that's the tax you pay because if you don't the tax that gets paid is people's lives people's health I mean I've been sick for six months because of all this stuff my mental health is not well I have to compartmentalize it food truck operations can't keep the food trucks open all night it just keeps people on the streets for too long they don't live here, they don't need to be here they don't need to be in our front lawn they don't need to be because they drag the trash down there and then there's nobody there to pick it up because everybody's left every employee of the strip is gone the people are still hanging out and being too close to the residents I mean I think this thing we can fix there's places on the strip that can not be right and there should be no food where did they serve that's why they clean themselves more in the morning because the park owners leave and the trucks stay on so they're a tenant of their parking lot they repeat the question she's asking why are the food trucks allowed to stay open after the bars and clubs have closed they're a tenant and there is no code of ordinance that says they can't operate after the closure of the business what I'm saying is the person that holds the restaurant or the bar to apply that's what we're hoping with the North St. Mary's and Business Association agreement is that they agree we need to close these trucks earlier so that's something they can do for the neighborhood in good faith they want to stay in their neighborhood in the taxes and it's a nice neighborhood coming down here to open the business but they can't go somewhere else if they don't want to comply with us now where are the most food truck friendly neighborhood in San Antonio does anybody else know more food truck friendly neighborhood oh okay so the street trash I mean just get it cleaned up I mean you know don't leave a bag of trash out in your front yard don't leave it in front of your business I know it's hard with the construction stuff and a lot of the trash isn't your own trash but it's patron's trash that they brought to our streets because they're drinking in the car or something so you gotta carry it down impacted streets you know your street sidewalk there's enough businesses over here you guys can cover a radius in a very I mean half an hour probably you can get it cleaned up so what I'm gonna say is the street should be cleaned like your 17 year old who doesn't want his parents to know that they had a party while they were uptown you know we wake up we have no we don't know you know what mom no no alright SAPD strategies allow the hire of off duty SAPD I know that this might be a problem with the union but bars are willing to pay for off duty SAPD to be security crowd control you know it's a crowd control issue over here it's you're talking about 5 to 10 thousand people frequenting this group you know how can you police that there's not gonna ever be enough police like that's one thing I'll say it's like we can keep chiming we need more SAPD what are they gonna do you know to control this much activity you're gonna need you need like a thousand officers to catch everybody it's gonna be it's gonna be like you just have to control the situation but it's just not gonna be cost effective I think all these solutions presented today may be patrolling more same marriage strip you know safer, easier and more cost effective he's been raising his hand for a while one thing I'll say is that bar and club owners I've talked with I think 16 and 19 three I haven't talked with they just don't meet themselves but they agree with these solutions these are not strip killing measures they're gonna if your attention is to kill the strip this ain't gonna do it this is gonna help the strip but that's a good thing you make the strip better you make the neighborhood better you make it better you make it safer thank you I live on mistletoe I bought my house for $36,000 in 2006 I play in a San Antonio set I don't have a job I don't have insurance to support us I appreciate it but here's the thing I'm spending $7,000 to here in taxes there's a house across the street for me it's about to sell for $600,000 so I'm sure this city is gonna get us even more these people living here should not have to pay the outrageous taxes I should be able to walk out my street and invite my friends and park in front of my house on mistletoe you guys are looking at it from like cars but these restaurants that are unbelievable that I go to you can't park on my street and all of my neighbors complain about it all of my neighbors have to have cars towed because they're parked in a drive away for $7,000 it's a lot of money for me especially since I don't have a job and for people that are eating smaller streets I don't think that they should be penalized by the city with these horrific tax increases so has anyone thought about having an area like this where we can have you know when you hit 65 your taxes get freeze also the people around here because we're being penalized financially because this place is great and I'm sure you guys know there's gonna be a thousand more people in about two years that are gonna be living in all these incredible apartments that have been spending $2,000 for maybe 800 square feet a thousand right? and I guess we're gonna want to go on Friday so I don't think I should be spending $7,000 and I can't park in front of the house people can't even park in front of their house why are we paying tax? maybe during this time maybe you can say hey you know whatever is living here you're gonna have a huge tax decrease so you can figure it out you can charge whatever you want for taxes but we're being we're being perfect thank you we can't solve here tonight I agree I don't want to keep paying all these taxes I think all that we've discussed tonight is a step in the right direction the problem is it's a band aid on a clue that is emerging now and my concern is that I was told that there's 17 bars down here is that true? 19 bars okay so and this might go back to Mike Shannon is there any kind of public notification because you see Jews and zoning that a bar can operate in are peppered all through our inner city neighborhoods so is there any kind of public notice that goes out so that because this is a nightmare scenario that these people are living in it's awful I don't want to see this everything repeated in another neighborhood not think that they should have never given a C of O's to this many bars in a concentrated area especially in a residential area so I don't want cross your heart hope you die stick a needle in your eye pinky swear promise from D that they will never ever let this happen again here here one thing I want to do is I want to call all the bar and club owners to the front because I think you know it will help to hear them talk and maybe talk about the future that they see you know what do they see for the strip what do they see deliverance I appreciate it just a second I wanted to bring Justin back to the conversation briefly because it seems like there's a disagreement between the neighborhood a possible solution and Chief McMann is not thinking that it's enforceable so I wanted to get into the nuts and bolts do we not have enough tow trucks in the cities of San Antonio is there ordinance that's lacking that could allow it to be enforced but why the disconnect I guess something quick about the ordinance so the King William one that would be a similar parking permit situation that's actually enforced by city staff so city has an agency or a group that enforces that parking permit process one issue that we've talked about a little bit is that they get off at five when y'all have the problem and that's why there's a residential commuter traffic permit process right now the issue is you know dealing with that enforcement because you know we know if we propose one there's still going to be people who try it so how do you enforce that so that's one of the things that we'll be working through right now the city just doesn't have staff on as far as the city forces to enforce it and these late hours you know three four o'clock in the morning when some of these issues are occurring so it is one of the things that we'll look at as far as the number of tow trucks I do not know so far I don't know how many record companies in the city but there's a lot of them I think we have four tow trucks up here on stage on the nights that we have the overtime detail up here and we're constantly towing and I don't know how many more tow trucks we need to get up here we're not going to tow every single car we don't have the capacity to do that we're doing about as much as we can with what we have and I want to say this I'm going to get the mic so I was talking to Deputy Chief Benavida about when we try option three up here I don't want to do it this weekend because first of all what do you think about option three would you like to see it is that your record Randy hey Randy I know but so we will try I don't want to do it this weekend because then everybody will be mad because we didn't get the word out to everybody so we'll do it next week so next weekend Thursday Friday Saturday Sunday we can try and we'll see how it works but I'm going to need Parker you and all y'all to spread the word around that we're going to be doing it otherwise we'll be getting hammered for doing it not everybody knows about it so next weekend expecting Parker's going to hand it over to the bar owners to address you but I just want to make sure before we end the night I wanted to make sure that we could maybe put Justin from Pig Dawson put his email up on the screen there so everyone can see it so people can send him input on the parking study that they're going to begin working on and hopefully before the end of the night after some interaction with the bar owners hopefully you all will be able to give him some input as well thank you and say Chief McManus you know I really appreciate you coming up with those three options honestly I was surprised that you had it so quickly so I do appreciate that I agree with the option three in my mind I was thinking six officers one like two pair you know each kind of intersection that's kind of busy and I think that would bring down a lot of just show of force and we have our uniform property officers the renegots and that's how these young kids see them they provoke them and they don't have any respect for them and it prevents problems that it creates another side of problems because now they want to challenge it when we have security inside or outside we do not engage if someone's in their face don't engage just if they're off the property it's not worth it just talking down if you can and whatever so police presence is they would solve a lot of this for residential and business owners but it's not going to fix everything so we need to focus on the things that we can fix the things that we're willing to work together on to make it better for not only the neighborhood but the businesses as well and I don't like the fact that nightclubs have a shady past or a shady kind of impression I started as a DJ and I'm all about the music and I wanted to run a business that if my parents were alive today they'd be proud of walking in and I wanted to change the way nightclubs were perceived here in San Antonio you know in 21 years of doing it owning a club I made some impact but not a lot you're just getting people that are used to the bar business and they come in and they think it's a party it's not a party we provide the party we need to be a sober our bartenders cannot drink with the customers that's one big thing that prevents a lot of things we get new bartenders and we have to let them know the rules this is it for me I'm hiring because they want a party well if you can't party you're bringing the party someone has to be in control someone has to be sober someone has to be responsible and someone has to answer to police or neighbors or anybody that comes up and has these concerns you have to run it professionally it's a business it's not a playground it's a club it's not a club house and we have all these rules things still happen you know you're talking about how that guy passed out on your front yard you know I had TABC contact us we gave them our receipts they asked for so they can investigate we don't allow minors in I guarantee I'm not stupid I know probably minors do come in because they have fake IDs we train our door staff they're TABC certified we train them on our own way on YouTube videos we're able to identify fake IDs as far as I know there's no class that shows you how to identify a fake ID we just got lucky that our door guy is pretty proud of catching it man I caught six today and unfortunately we can't keep them and that sucks because they're going to the next place and using them there we use that fake identification to go do it to everyone else if we could keep them that stops them at least for the night then it could make a little bit more impact of underage drinking these kids are fearless they don't care they're here to have a good time and they're going to party crazy we get military, we get college military gets a little on prior military I was the first lieutenant in the Air Force I had my party days and I know they can get wild we have to identify we have to train our staff and say hey they're getting a little bit out of hand go talk to them there's a lot of things as bar owners restaurant owners and club owners that we're doing to reduce that but again we're not going to get everything and it takes a lot of courage to come up here knowing that we possibly could get attacked which you saw it's hard and I understand we're the anger and distrust from but if we didn't care we wouldn't be here we wouldn't be on that list trying to make these things technically we're not we're not controlled by what you guys think that we need to charge or whatever it's just capitalism we can charge whatever we want we can sell whatever we want TABC has a say of how low we can go what these little sales and things that we can and cannot do they enforce that they're out here all the time they are doing their job and they are checking us and we are answering to them it's just a combination of treating it a little bit more professional as an operator being a little bit more sympathetic to the neighbors and what they're going to and both sides not being so combative with each other you know if we can talk calmly we're going to get a lot more done than if we're yelling at each other because then we're just going to walk away like you know what I don't want to do anything all these things like been doing screw it I'm out you know and then it becomes now I'm going to go and make it worse than when I was making it better because I'm not getting the action I want so let's just work together I understand you're upset you guys have legitimate issues legitimate none of these guys here are just missing that no one here you know you may feel different you may feel that stuff that I say maybe oh he doesn't mean it he's just saying whatever or chat or anyone up in this panel is saying anything truly we had we're busy you know I have different businesses I have different things here Boston New York I got things going on but I'm here because this needs my full attention because it's that delicate so I'm here and these guys are here too because it needs their attention so just saying if we could all work a little bit better and be less aggressive with each other I think we can come to a resolution and closing these bars closing these clubs is not an option I know you guys prefer it would just get rid of it but that's not an option you can't just close something because you don't like it if they're operating within the guidelines of the law there's no reason to close them down they can't be closed what they can do as owners is saying well you're harassing me I'm going to take litigation towards you for harassment you know we have rights just like you guys do so let's just be a little bit more aware of each other the judge thought and rules and all that then how did that 20 year old get passed off from my yard drunk 20 years old and he said and I asked him, I asked the police officer to talk to him and he said yes and he said yes sir by the time I talked to him I asked him where were you drinking at and he said at the corner and the only corner was the first one and you know you follow the rules and all that if you didn't do that, I mean if you follow the rules then someone or one of you guys did not follow the rules and that has to stop you've got to pay more attention to be more alert with people, your bartenders your waitresses, people you hire that they follow TADC rules and he is not the only first one I've had two or three guys doors drawn to the tail just that's weak front of Parker's house two guys passed off drawn I know there's stuff that goes on not just in your neighborhood but other people's neighborhoods but we do have a policy and a process to enter our facility is it 100% watertight no, people are going to get in and have a really good fake ID we're quite aware what we're supposed to do at the door, we do that but it's still going to happen there's no way we're going to catch 100% of those so if he was at Brass Monkey if he was drunk and he came from Brass Monkey it's not because we don't care we just let some minor let me tell you something Mark what would you do if you had people steal from your porch take a shit in your yard pee in your yard have grandchildren in front of your yard what would you do? I would be the loudest voice in this room because that's my personality that's what I'm doing that's why I'm here and I'm working with you because I hear you and I want to work it out I want us to be cool I want us to be like hey you know what Mark he's a good guy I don't want to be the enemy that's not how I live my life as my responsibility for my business take care of that but I'm trying to bridge the gap between you and me and let's work it out but I'm telling you none of these guys are letting just minors just come in there like hey guys just drink there are some bars in San Antonio that do that they are, we're not oblivious to that but we are not the ones that are doing that my point is that you have people who say they are so wasted they still continue serving them that's not true so we have what's called a code 4 we have different codes for security code 2 is an argument or an altercation code 4 is someone that's too drunk to be in the building now what happens is because I've seen different videos on different sites and stuff like that I'm going to take a shot at every 19 bars I'm going to take 19 shots at one at every place so halfway through that that's the point where that person still is looks like they're sober but they're on the verge of getting drunk so if they leave the chat's place and they're on the verge and they come to brass monkey and then they have one drink and then all of a sudden boom they're like dude he just had one drink actually he had 17 drinks we just don't know about it we gave him number 18 and now it's an issue so what do we do how they're coming in and how many drinks they had all we can do is address their behavior as they come in to our facility and say hey I'm laying this person there's different signs that can tell you that someone's drunk but if we're not getting that sign and then it happens in here it's like shit I don't want that it makes me look like I don't know what I'm doing but I'm not there holding this guy's hand through the whole night so let's go through this have Chad go through this agreement here sure hi guys my name is Chad Carrey much like Parker I'm the newly elected president of our North St. Mary's business association just so everybody has some context the association was created by well a number of people but it was led by Blaine Tucker who's one of the partners in the base and Casey Lang who is a property owner at landlord for a number of different buildings down here it was originally done at a time where Blaine who was pretty prescient of this realized that the strip was going to get busier and it would be good to try to bring some cohesion to all the different business owners that were on the strip anticipating circumstances just like this as things got busier you know we all had the pandemic and then frankly there was some good activity happening with the total neighborhood association in 2017-2018 and the pandemic happened and everything kind of sort fell apart well we have reundated the charter that we have for the organization it's a 501-6B and we're sort of like kind of starting fresh on our front as well and when we say you know the North St. Mary's business owners association it's an open membership and it's open to a lot of the businesses that are on the strip but you know we all know that the issue right now is not going to be with Titan flats and it's not going to be with Sames it's going to be with the places that are having the people and the volume and the late night hours so when we say the 19 bars like it's not that anyone is excluded from that but you know we're the people that are going to be causing the bulk of the grief with the neighborhood and we want to be responsible and try to address that so that's where we are right now we're in the process of figuring out how I mean we're going to fund it internally for the time being but in terms of getting our act together on that front it's still it's a work in progress but we're moving forward with it I think that I did you guys see this is the last thing there was a handout I mean this is what I should also do this even though it sounds more political than necessary Councilman Bravo and Stacey Jones in his office representative Bernal I want to thank them for kind of facilitating this conversation because it has been unnecessarily adversarial for a little bit I think that I can brag on both of those people for for bringing us to the point where we're willing to make these concessions because these are real concessions they cost real money they take real energy so this is sort of what we came together as a call it a floor the things that we are willing to do I think it's important that everybody here understand that this everything on here fairly significantly exceeds our legal requirements what we're required to do this is us demonstrating that we understand that there's a problem we understand that we have a measure of culpability in what happens with the customers that come into our places we take it seriously I'll echo what Mark said I can understand why you guys are angry and frustrated about this it's something that is that I can promise you in our organization it's something that has our attention and we're going to commit the resources to try to get some movement on it but having to necessarily go through this I think everybody's seen it I'm happy to take questions and to listen to you guys I also think that this list is not meant to be well I'll say two things we think that this is going to go a long way towards making progress towards fixing the root of the problems that are happening especially with the late night bar business it doesn't mean that it necessarily will no one in this room is going to know for sure if this is going to work we want to start, we want to try we want to make an effort you have my commitment that if these things aren't moving the needle so to speak we'll come back and think about other things that's the first point the second point is this is not meant to be exhausted necessarily there may be some ideas that we have not thought of but this was done more or less in conjunction with Parker a little bit as well getting his feedback which I know came from you guys that you guys can think of that would help that would help improve the neighbor quality of life I think that I can speak for everybody on our side of this table we are willing to consider any reasonable thing right now you do have a good faith negotiating partner on our front at the end of the day we are responsible for running businesses and we are heavily invested in this right which hopefully aside from the fact that says that we have a lot at stake you know we have a lot to lose as well it's important for us no one in our group is you know of the sort of club promoter bar owner level where we are running around having a good time doing shots at our bars there are millions of dollars that we have invested into the real estate and finish out the properties that we own Danny Delgado has been down here for 12 years operating businesses I opened my first place 7 years ago we want to be here for another 10, 20, 30 years we want to run our businesses like that a big part of that is understanding our obligations to you guys so rather than sort of go through all of these things and just read what everybody else can read I'm happy to answer questions and listen to anything so first off let me just say that I'm very happy to see that at least you know 16 of the bar owners here have come to this agreement and when is this expected to be rolled out I mean I think that we're the reality is that a lot of these a number of these things are already happening we've kind of already put those into effect the things that we have not put into action at this point the biggest thing is the off county Sheriff's Department of Officers on site on Fridays and Saturdays I won't say it's being held up there's a administrative process that Sheriff Salazar still needs to complete that authorizes those officers to be out here the difference between you can hire right now we can hire like an off duty police officer from it's difficult to do it with San Antonio Police Department we can hire like a shirts off duty police officer the problem and they'll be there in their uniform right if there's a problem however outside or inside of our facilities they're not going to do anything they're going to call a police so it's to me it's a little bit of a waste of resources what our group generally and just so you know guys I own Paper Tiger Rumble Little Dead in Midnight Split and Curry Boys in Pizza Party so the when I'm talking in the capacity is my role as sort of the president of this organization also speaking for myself as a business owner so make sure, assume that I don't necessarily speak for every single person if I do that, but you know I think in general we're all on board with this idea that the problematic time for us is between 1 a.m. and 2.15 a.m. on Fridays and Saturdays that's the peak of the business that's when our customers leave the bars and right now we don't think that there are enough indicators that they need to go home we are limited in what we can do we cannot send our private security out into the streets there's too many things that can go wrong for them and like Mark sort of mentioned it almost exacerbates the situation sometimes so we really believe that the peace officer solution is going to be a as soon as they walk out of the club they see that police are out there it's time to get your car going which is what we all want so that's really the only thing that's really the only thing we have not fully put into effect the cleanup crew right now so I know that like Aaron at Squeezebox Danny in a lot of his places, us at our places we've been doing the cleanup for a while what we want to do through the business associations make it a little more cohesive so that we're all on the same page about how it's working the idea, the talking with some feedback that Parker gave about having it done as early as we can, I mean if there were a practical way for us to clean up that night there's no way at 3 in the morning to see the trash and all that sort of stuff so we're going to get our crews out there as early as we can with the idea of starting as far off the strip as we're going to go and then sort of working again so that the bulk of the neighborhood cleanup will be done ideally by 9 a.m. on Saturday and Sunday mornings and you know the 17 year old throwing a keg over his mom or dad on his own is a good thing we want the neighborhoods to look good when you come out with your coffee and I know that you mentioned earlier there's obviously a problem with minor drinking and when you get a fake idea you're not allowed to keep it but can you be faced in some way, cut a corner out of it put an F1 in somehow, something or anything you can do a lot of this stuff so there's sometimes there's things, there's the legal aspects of what we're doing, the practical aspects is all of us are on a general text thread or we all have each other's contact information so it will often times happen hey, so and so just try to do this up here, they may be coming down to your place, it just happens it's sort of organic level in that way because again we all, we don't want to deal with this stuff either, I mean it's not something it's not something we enjoy I'm just going to point out the obvious the gallery's not on there who's going to clean up their mess Erin, Mark are you guys going to clean up the gallery's mess is anybody going to go go over to the gallery, knock on his door and tell them about this, because I just passed them when we were coming over here okay, so I wish that we could conscript every single bar on the strip into our group to live by these rules we can't well the gallery club did not think that these that these terms were acceptable to how they want to operate their business and that's all I'm going to say about it that does not reflect what we believe is the best way for us to run our businesses okay, so of the 19 establishments that are what we're calling this strip how many actually do you feel honestly are comfortable and are willing to actually comply or try to follow that plan 17 and by the way there may be there may be certain aspects of what we have proposed that maybe someone doesn't like one or two elements of it I believe that 17 out of 19 is the answer and one of the things that just so you guys know I mean this is kind of sausage making stuff I mean strategically what we want to do because there will be more bars that are opening there will be more clubs that are opening the base zoning exists for this we hope that the strength in numbers things works when new people decide to open up a bar on the strip that we can say hey this is our group this is what we do we can't make them do that but it makes everybody feel better I mean you guys know how pricing can work sometimes if you own a burger joint next door to another burger joint and he drops his prices to make money and it puts some pressure on you to do that setting some of these floors is important because we know that oh man this bar down the street is doing dollar wells on Thursday night so if we're going to do that then we have to compete with them so that's what we hope to that's a long term goal for this group I was going to say I'm not against your business we had businesses here before I've been here since the 70s I saw the strip purged I saw the strip dying and only because the business people weren't willing to deal with the problems ahead the strip got better people stopped coming down here and slowly the business started dying one by one and closing up like I said I'm not against the businesses but you'll have to work together as business owners and come to a presentation that if you don't clean up the problem you might not be having a business here very long because people will stop coming I couldn't agree more I couldn't agree more you can listen to all of us talk about all of our great intentions and you can sound like we're flirting with everybody's best instincts the reality is we have every motivation in the world to run these businesses well I don't want to charge $2 for drinks I want to charge $9 for drinks I don't want to have to worry about getting a binge drinker to come into my bar I want to get the person in the $2,000 month department to come and spend money in my places we have lots and lots of money invested in our businesses on this trip we want them to be successful for the long term I hear what you're saying and I appreciate it ultimately for us our businesses in a place where customers feel safe and we won't have to worry about picking up trash because no one's coming you know what I think we're one of those bars for green to this but what about the gallery we're going to be the street that everybody's going to go and we're going to have trash all because of the top of the truck what's going to happen to all of those now who's going to pick up the trash if the gallery doesn't want to do it I think that the idea of the trash pickup when I said kind of making it more of a coordinated effort is that we're not going to we're not going to worry at a business or association level about well that's not in front of our place or whatever we're going to take care of the neighborhood as a whole we're not going to worry so much about oh the gallery didn't contribute so we can't be worried I can't be worried about that in my business if someone doesn't pay their fair share I can't control that I can control what I do a lot of this stuff don't hear me saying not my problem when I hear this but a lot of this stuff guys is going to come down to enforce them if someone's breaking the law they need to go to jail if someone's doing things in your yard they should be arrested as business I can promise you will be the first people to help you call the police if there is something bad going on I stopped and there was somebody broke into their just during the daytime somebody broke into their house I stopped and made sure that they were ok a lot of this is going to get back into enforcement and if someone's breaking the law if we are breaking the law then we should go to jail and we should solve the consequences my experience living in this neighborhood has not been that the police are particularly proactive if I call with a serious complaint something happening they may or may not come and they may or may not do it when they do come and I don't think that they're going to have any kind of resolution if the police don't buy in they have to do their job and with all this terrible climate of defunding police and police don't know how to do their jobs or whatever it doesn't make them want to do their jobs and I feel like it hurts our neighborhood because I've called the police a lot of times and sometimes they just don't even come it won't make you feel any better but we have the same problem sometimes I don't I don't Chief of Manus is going I mean I think this is some of this is like we want to help facilitate this conversation but a lot of this does have to be a conversation for him the idea behind the Mayor County Sheriff's off duty police officers is that they will patrol the streets and that they will arrest people I made very sure to discuss that with Sheriff Salazar because the last thing we need are a bunch of guys on the streets who just call the police who take 30 minutes to show up that doesn't do any of us any good and the knucklehead crowd who's going to cause some of these problems they understand that the Mayor County Sheriff's department officers that we are going to hire and we are going to pay for they are going to patrol the streets and they are going to arrest people they will act as officers as peace officers with respect to how that actually happens one of the things that I've had is once we can get once we can get them out and working I would love for there to be a way that we can somehow coordinate with the neighborhood if there's if there's an issue that they see I mean what I would like is depending on where you live let's say that you know you live on Portland I live across the street from Hightown okay if you live across the street from Hightown and you see somebody doing something they shouldn't do beating each other up okay if you see a street fight and it's filling over into your house rather than calling 911 and saying get out here and it takes a long time it's conceivable because these officers are going to be in our employ as the business owners association we can maybe figure out a way to say hey red alert in front of Hightown and we can get those guys over there ASAP what is your timeline? We thought they would be out last weekend we don't know if they'll be out this weekend Officer P. Gamboa works directly with the sheriff and he's kind of in charge of this program Sophie Covey Parker talked to him today he's still waiting on the administrative part of this to get released to the county I don't claim to know how that works exactly but in order to have peace officers do off duty work there's a process that has to be followed that's why SAPD that's why we can't hire SAPD off duty officers if you see an off duty officer it's almost certainly that they're from Sherwoods upon Army or some place like that that's what I understand we have heard that from Chief McManus who I deeply respect I think that he has a lot of good experience he can be brought to bear on helping us here again just being for our association we have asked for years for help via SAPD we're just not we can't wait longer and we've represented for now was very helpful in facilitating a meeting that allowed us to sort of think through how this would work so that's we're going down that road for now guys if there was a lot of this or financial solutions to this we will spend the money to do this and this is not going to be an expensive visit we're probably not surprised thank you and I'm thinking about this problem I'm in IT so everything looks like a nail Mark mentioned this for hopping we want more tenders to be responsible squad drones when they're drunk that's hard sometimes because they're going from place to place I'm just saying it's kind of more of a brain storm and throwing it out there is there or is there a market for a technical solution where there would be some sort of tracking for the bars that generate this kind of volume maybe not everywhere on the strip but those where you already have bouncers you already have an ID checks is there any sort of mechanism where your skin driver's eyes is and you see any sort of mechanism that you can track those people more efficiently than a text I don't know if that exists if it doesn't it sounds great the text and calling thing is highly inefficient it's just us doing the best we can by the way you guys also have to realize at the bar nightclub aspect of what we're doing it's really 1130 to 130 and in those two hours it just gets real busy we have different places have different capacities Paper Tigers CFO has a capacity of over 1400 people we don't put that many people in it for our concerts but if you get 1000 people in the room it's difficult to keep an eye on everything we do the best we can Mark has talked about the staffing they do every single one of our bars has security armed and otherwise but at some point the only way you're going to stop every single thing from happening is having 1000 released out here I don't want this to go on all night long and you guys have this St. Patrick's Day and they're probably going to get busy pretty soon so I just want just a couple of things one where is this presentation available and where is this handout because we had it two weeks ago where can the presentation be viewed and the handout be picked up from we I can share this email we had a sign up sitting down this week and I'll share it on the community section so people can get from the sign up sheets last week and this week they can get a copy of that I'm just the whole presentation I'm just asking because that was just one so a couple others the bar across the street someone asked me a question I was probably involved in that bar across the street 30 years ago I've been involved with our church since 1985 I know I don't look that old but I am so I think that Joey used to be the tortilla factory across the street and I think when you say it's 300 feet it may be 298 feet I think what we did was as good citizens approved two feet if we think two feet is going to make a difference it's not probably if someone wants to go back and look it up go back and look it up and I think you may see the church approving it for two foot variance and what they have we can't change the whole community I'll just run through these real quick parking we're looking at creating parking spots open to the public for this lot this lot and across the street where we're at so that's 60 parking spots as the church that we're looking to bring on board and we have not we don't know if we need to get a zoning change for that or not and if someone says you're a church you can do whatever you want to do we're researching that so we can bring 60 parking spots on as quick as possible and that probably is in the next 90 days the other thing was on the parking well thank you very much hopefully we can be on our church because this is a 100 year old church it's 100 years old in three years the other thing was brought up about the marricades and things like that I mentioned to the chief when he was here and I assume someone has looked into that whole concept of what the rock and roll marathon is for parking and you know they are barricading because they barricade and they have a plan so I just mentioned that the broadcast of this is available so other people have asked me I understand it's broadcast this is available now castsa.com that people can go see this at and also San Antonio Public Access channel I just did an item and maybe you put those up there as well for people compliment to Mr. McBeth over there Sean Huvay and Sean Strong and the people of Svoglast that are doing this construction they're busting their hump they're trying to do the best they can they've been very cooperative with what we're doing with the church they did crush a sewer line for us and we had backups but you know it's okay but they are doing very well and working the best they can and I guess the last pieces let me see I had the marathon broadcast and then I guess the last thing again you know these 12 aren't the problem if someone says the problem is so-and-so whatever the place is then you get out there and take the pictures of that place and call TABC on them and give them a hard time because you know I'm licensed as a real estate broker so if someone calls track on me it's a pain if someone calls TABC I'm going to use Mark because he's standing there okay it's a pain he has to respond and everything so if they get a call every week because you see it's an issue you know I'm sure you have enough time to make the call right you figure out how to do it and maybe you might send that to 150 people and they might want to do it too I don't know but if they're not cooperative with these guys then you know deal with the three idiots not the 16 people trying to bust their house to help make it happen because this guy owns 4 5 and you probably have what 12 bars represented here so don't meet them you know get the people that are the problem so I think I covered everything and I appreciate it and y'all thanks for being here and the last call is going to be pretty soon oh I'm kidding Greg thank you real quick just to to emphasize what he said when I mentioned it was a forced murder and if you see someone breaking the law you should call the police if you see any of us that are on here that have pledged to do a thing and we aren't doing it then you should call us I think it's important and Mark had sort of mentioned this nothing that we do is going to prevent bad stuff from happening we can do all these things we could have 80 Baird County Sheriff's Officers and we are not going to prevent people from peeing in yards that's not going to happen but what I promise you is that when you take the enforcement of it when it happens as seriously as you can good evening everybody my name is Erin Benia I am the owner of the squeeze box I've been a commercial lease holder on St. Harry's for about 7 years I've been in operation for 6 years both of my businesses reside in District 1 so I'm very familiar with these points we're touching on about the parking situation and I just want to introduce myself and thank everybody for your time this is Malika, I own TBA out the street next to scenes great place to work Hello guys my name is Alejandro Perez I'm Alejandro's garden patio and definitely we're definitely going to collaborate to take a safer real quick, I think you brought up about new bars and not allowing the new places to come up and how you get involved you have ways to get involved and if you don't want something you can stop it right and there's posts that they have to put if it's a place that never held a liquor license there's going to be a big white poster in the front and it's going to have the name of the corporation and the DBA doing business as on there and if it's going to hold a liquor license you can contact TBC you can protest that kind of stuff they're supposed to, each one of us had to put out through media a newspaper or something notices and mail notices to everyone I think it was 200 feet radius in the area we had to mail them out people think it's junk mail and they throw it so they never really contest it but there are things that you guys can do you may not be aware of it but if you contact Parker with your questions he can get a touch of me and I can give you an answer to give you guys what we can do about these things that we don't want to happen you know everybody's like well these things are happening but you know I can give you some of my experience to prevent this from happening I'm all about competition the more the merrier because it makes each one of us better technically but there is a congestion issue like I don't know if we can have four bars in here you know I mean it's great that we have all these bars that we do now but even more so I think right now until we resolve this that's not really a good idea me personally I don't think that's a good idea this is kind of a what if question for you everybody as an association and you get a new business comes in you know they're coming they start building would it be likely or could you pay them a visit talk with them explain to them what the history has been recently in the neighborhood and say and kind of lay down groundwork to say we don't want this to happen again so can you put pressure you know a little pressure as much as realistically I don't know how much pressure we can bring to bear on them I think a lot of this is selling them all the ideas that we've got a good thing going and let's keep it good a lot of this most business owners don't want to be practical about their bottom line and then all of this stuff is going to be good for everybody's bottom line long term I can't blame the businesses it's really a city planning problem there's not much diversification we have 19 parts so maybe business owners could maybe get together maybe diversify their business a little bit I mean I can't tell me Jean or Whisky tears it's different one from the other maybe we can have a micro brewery maybe we can have a daygum you know I've lived in many different cities across the world many of the neighborhoods, the walkable areas and I've never seen so much violence and drunk behavior in one place before and it's not the business owners fault it's the city planning they let it get out of hands we've got 19 bars and no other types of businesses I know you have a lovely bar right lovely place we need more stuff like that on the street and maybe less less bars I think that's a good I think that's a great point unfortunately our zoning our zoning doesn't really help steer that sort of stuff in a planning sense I've actually mentioned this to a couple of people to the extent that you guys are interested you know Midnight Slings started as a restaurant called Cheesecake and financially it did not survive you guys probably noticed the cookhouse right which is in Tobin Hill which was in my mind justifiably called the best restaurant in the city by the express news it didn't make it Peter and Susan or dear friends of mine Susan opened up a Cambodian noodle shop called Golden Moth it didn't make it full service sit down restaurants have had a really hard time surviving in this neighborhood to date to 2022 always be the case I think that the market will demand more cafes, bistros restaurants over time as you see population density as you see higher incomes I think all that stuff is going to come it probably is going to take a little bit of time I can tell you that in my world I have a restaurant called Barbara I have a bakery called Extra Fine I have a restaurant called Hot Joy restaurant tours would be very nervous about opening a restaurant on the street today as things come I think that will change the other thing that I would mention we have made efforts to to sort of punctuate the bars that we are operating with some other things so for instance like Curry Boys and where Pizza Party was that's my project Curry Boys is I think the thing that this neighborhood would like to see more of a daytime food service operation that doesn't sell alcohol the adjacent building Pizza Party we are turning that into a taco concept it's going to be the same sort of situation we Aaron we sponsored for example last weekend through a shrimp boil which was a very food centric event we've done food centric events have been night swim we actually have someone in residency doing a taqueria idea the air stream in front of Little Death is a ex-employee of mine who's doing his restaurant there called G.G.'s Deli which is open during the day of the weekends we're trying to do more food influence things but they have to work financially I hope that you guys would see that as a gesture of good faith where we're not just trying to do bars after bars after bars right now I do think there's a bit of a disconnect between what we including me what we would all like to see in terms of restaurants and the markets ability to support it but we're going to keep trying and I think it will get better alright it looks like we're losing people people are dropping like over-served patrons on the script alright I really appreciate everybody coming out you know participation makes progress and y'all's participation in business progress business participation is what's going to help and I know it's fatiguing I mean I took two below pressure pills but I knew that I was going to need mostly because I'm talking in front of all of y'all so we just have to stay patient I really think there's another side of this and it's probably going to take a couple years so we can stay angry or we can try and work towards a solution and if you want to be angry you can be angry as me and I'll try to filter I mean it's just the constant yelling of individuals to each other it's not going to produce anything other than hurt feelings so please come yell at me if you want to alright