We are live live. Welcome back. Yeah, we are back now. Welcome back. We're back with Peter. Peter is going to introduce symbiosphere. And yeah, I feel how there is so much meaningful project around the globe and giving space to what is already there and connecting what is already there. I feel it's something very precious. I'm very happy to have Peter introducing a project in the platform. Nice. Well, let's jump in there. First, thank you very much for giving me the opportunity. It's a really nice platform to talk to. I was there three years ago in Hamburg. I was there as a DJ and I was really blown away by the whole structure of the gathering. And had one of my best DJ experiences there. It was like a circular sound system. There was no, like all function one and there was no, like behind the data booth was just as nice as in front and it was just really nice feeling of being in the middle of the room. Yeah, it was a beautiful experience and yeah, good sound. It was, you could tell people were taking care. But yeah, and here we are in the virtual sphere. And I think you were in CCC as well. This is Beat, who we also do cinder sphere with. You were in CCC last year as well. Last year, yes. It was really nice in Leipzig. We did also a little mini performance there with a headphone experience. And I enjoyed a lot CCC. And I'm happy that it can take part this year in another way, but really interesting way. Yeah, so Zimbia Sphera. Maybe I give a little introduction about how it came about, like a genesis of why, why, how the idea came and it was from many different things kind of over over the years, but one, like one moment in my life that I realized, yeah, it was one moment I really felt a need for this platform was when it was like two years ago, just after my or two and a half years ago, just after my daughter was born. And usually I go to Brazil. We have like, we have a project in Brazil. You can see here on the map, it's this project here. We have this project where we do reforestation and music. And after my daughter was born, like usually we go there every year, spend half the year there and working on the land and working on the music there. But after yeah, after my daughter was born, it just felt really far to go across the Atlantic with a three year old daughter. And so it was the first time I actually looked at Europe and thought, okay, where is good to go in Europe when you want to just be in nature and you want to also work with music and somehow avoid the like the work kind of be, get out a little bit of the city and get into nature. So I was looking at all these different platforms that existed, like these permaculture or ecovillage.com, I think, or.org. It's like a nice platform like this where you can see all the different hotspots of different places. And it's like Eurogen.org as well, which is another platform for ecovillages and different, yeah, different projects. But somehow like, oh yeah, so it's going to sprawling Europe and it's trying to find something that was like, that could like connect with and kind of, kind of know that would be like a good place to bring my family and to kind of spend a few months and help out with with the land and also maybe like connect with some musicians there and make music. And I just found it just by going on these platforms that was just very, very difficult to get any kind of feeling about how it would be there. Because all these places are already focused on the permaculture and they're very focused on the results of the farming, which is great. But on the cultural level, there was very little I could get as a kind of feedback about how like if we go there, okay, maybe just going there, you can try out. But yeah, it was just like, yeah, it wasn't very intuitive way. And I tried many different places, talked to different people. And of course, connections are always the best way. Like if you know someone who knows someone, it's always the best way for connections. But virtually, like traveling and connecting with Europe, I just found it so difficult as a musician, but just as yeah, like culturally as well. And there's so many nice things happening in these projects. And many of these places have musicians and anytime I do go to the eco villages or like any kind of projects, there's always a studio. Like here, like we're here, we're in Dijon, just outside Dijon at the Unvesant. And it's like the permaculture and they do music as well. And they have a music studio and a little permaculture garden in the summer. And yeah, and there's some of these places just unless you have a connection, then you just have there's no way to know that these places exist. So yeah, so I kind of felt I felt that like since music was always the kind of big attractor and that it would be amazing if there was a platform where wherever there was kind of environmental projects like reforestation, permaculture, regent of farming, and wherever there was some kind of link musically, like whether it be a music studio or a festival, like there's a lot of nice festivals that are on farms that take place on farms, but wherever there's a kind of symbiosis between the two, between the kind of music and the environmental aspect. And there's somehow kind of plot to like just kind of find out what's out there and plot them on a map. And then just kind of make it very visible and very transparent for people who are traveling to connect. But that's kind of how the idea started. And to like kind of make this very clear, like this little like a roadmap of different projects that exist. I can just give you a little run through of the different projects. So we like at the start, we decided to focus on what we know, and not to kind of obviously to like connections that we actually have and connections from different friends, and to grow it slowly and not just kind of sprawl the internet for places that exist, but really just to make like build connections slowly. So we have like this place where we are now. So England Clan actually is actually currently it's in a castle, but actually it will be moved to Dijon eventually. We have our friends in Norway who are doing honey, like biodynamic honey, and also the artist residency with music where I just was actually in the last, I spent the last three months in Norway, connecting there. And there are different places there's like Love Foundation who, they have a label and they raise money. They have many different hubs around the world. And then 30% of the money that you go to goes towards these environmental projects and social projects. And you can see our project here in Brazil as well, which is kind of a good example of like this idea of what a project could be, where 50% of donations go towards the music video. So we have a music studio in one land. And on the other studio, we concentrate on sorry, on the other land, we concentrate on the reforestation. So whenever people, so we have a music label, whenever people donate towards the label, 50% will go towards the label and the upkeep of the label and the artist. And the other 50% will go towards the reforestation and the permaculture project. And also the kind of social aspect of it, the kind of creating a cultural center in the village with the locals and creating kind of awareness there. And this was kind of like a kind of a really inspired, like when we created this project, I realized there was no platform available and online to actually really where I could live and be exposed to the world. And people really, people really understand this. So also this kind of whole platform was kind of a way to create another platform for this project. So they could connect with other like similar projects online. And yeah, and I so and also I'd have this like kind of symbiosis, maybe I can go into this about section here quickly. I just did this recently to kind of add this, this a little note that you can see here it says beta beta. So we made it up with Beata myself and a few others are friends of Luana and Bruce and a few others, Julius. We've just been building this ourselves but like none of us are really like so much experience in building websites and like working mostly musicians and audio visual artists. And this is not really, but this is kind of a vision we had and we just taught us to make a kind of first try or template just to eventually to kind of progress it and evolve it into something a bit more professional and a bit more functional and fluid. But for the moment we have like, yeah, we kind of got it as far as we can get. But yeah, just to give you an idea of how it works and it'll run through. So this is just like example it was using the project in Brazil. So like all locations on the map are environmental projects that work with regenerative farming, permaculture or reforestation. And then each like each like each LAN project on the map is in symbiosis with a music project that directly supports the initiative to their label releases or fundraising events. So there's a kind of like a symbiosis between the two that wherever in the world there is really symbiosis between this kind of work and music in general that they kind of give it a platform and to kind of amplify it and make it make it visible in the world. And so the idea kind of developed from just being a map but then to kind of it evolved to being a kind of a radio station. So like you can, it's a little bit glitchy here. So just so you're looking for a project initially like you're looking for a project in the world maybe nearby or you want to connect to it. So you find a project in your area. Then the idea like the function isn't there yet but eventually it would like to click on this on the icon on the symbol. And then when you press on it, it will just play on the radio music from that project. So then like you can hear straight away what music is being like coming out of this project and what's in connection with it. And so you can get a really direct sense of what the project is just musically. And for me I've always really believed strongly that the music is the like this most direct form of communication. And that if you hear a song that you like you just instantly connect with it and you don't even you just trust it. You trust when you hear good music that it comes from a good place. So this is kind of the idea that you connect with the music to the project to the music. If you like it then you can visit the website, discover the project and become a supporter of the project like by collaborating, by volunteering maybe maybe go just visiting the place or otherwise just donating towards the music and like kind of supporting the project as much as the music. And you know where your money goes to. And yeah, you don't just like this is another kind of important central point of the platform is to kind of cut out the middleman. And instead of like paying for a Spotify subscription and you don't really know where your money goes or paying for like downloading music or just yeah, these different subscription like the way the music industry works at the moment. There's no connection to the where the music comes from. We just see like an algorithm and it gets fed. You got fed music and you have no idea where it comes from, you know, have no idea where your money goes to it is not there's like, there's this big middleman who's the music industry machine that spotifies in the iTunes and the Amazons of this world. And like, and every time we just listen to music this way, we're just like supporting this this machine, this capitalist machine that already exists. Kind of like, yeah, indirectly. And so the idea of this project is that when you donate towards these projects, you know exactly where your money goes and you know exactly that you're and you really want to it's really like about creating like a kind of a collaboration and a kind of a supporting like patron relationship between the music, the music, the musician, the music, the studio listener, and the place that it was it was created and the place that it wants to support and the place that it wants to nourish. And yeah, so it's like, yes, this was really like the backbone of the the radio is kind of the radio, right? Even if you don't know, even if you don't know what you want to where you want to go, you just like, you can put on this like shuffle function on the on this on the radio, the shuffle here. I mean, the radio here isn't it hasn't gotten to where we want to be. This is a very primitive version of the radio, but it's something. But yeah, you just shuffle the radio and leave it in the background and just play it like a radio. And then as soon as you hear a track that you like, you go, ah, where's this, where's this track from? And then you just check out the project that it's connected with. And then it's like a really nice way just to connect with like, with with something physically and and the land and where it comes from and create like authentic connections and somehow ground, make a kind of a grounded experience. So like the kind of catchphrase is like, like love the music, support the environment that wishes to nurture. And this for me is a kind of a real another kind of central topic that I feel that like the last 50 years or so or since the beginning, since the internet, we've had this like migration towards the virtual sphere. Like now we're meeting virtually and and everything has become more virtual. Everything is like become online streaming and physical is obviously like things like CDs and vinyl is a lot less and everything is existing in this virtual sphere. So we're exchanging virtually, we're living virtually. And we're creating virtually as well. And somehow, this is a very necessary and amazing step for for human development and and such a beautiful thing to explore. But also in doing so, we lost our connection with the ground. And we lost our connection with the earth. And so this is a way to kind of complete complete the cycle.  And to kind of just kind of grounding the virtual musical community. And because for the moment is everything exists online, everything exists in bank camp, our money is virtual, our economics is virtual. So when when you when we can like, and it's such an amazing platform to be to live virtually, but if we can actually use this to actually directly support the land, then it completes the cycle and it becomes grounded and it becomes the energy, the energy transfer is direct. Can you hear me? Okay, just a check. Yeah, okay, cool. Yeah, so the so it's just yeah, it's like completing the cycle, having been direct energy transfer, I think until now we've had a lot of like energy miss miss spent energy, like just doing transfers online, if you want to transfer to somebody else, like PayPal, for example, takes a cut and there's a cut from wherever and there's a lot of energy being kind of miss spent or kind of wasted. And I think real like when we talk of permaculture or sustainability or whatever, or I think that starts by this direct energy and not just this scattered energy that's gets dispersed on virtually in this person different bank accounts and different middlemen. And so I really feel that stick to really nurture a kind of new model for a music community, and not just the music industry is to really connect back with the land that's that inspires it and to kind of complete this feedback. So I call this kind of regenerative music culture, where we're kind of regenerating this music culture from the ground up and regrowing it again. And we're also using a virtual platform to do this. So it's kind of completing the cycle. Yeah, so I have a lot more to say. But I'll go down and see if I get it. Yeah, so this is, this was a lot of some modern things and key points here. I'll just go through them slowly, expanding the symbolic link between music expression and local environment. And yeah, so like establishing like these havens for music lovers and nomadic artists, and like a new way to, to travel. And this was the other point I like I was kind of touching on with the grounding of the music community is that up until now we've, like in the last 30 years of jet set travel, like the Ryan airs and the easy jets of this, this way of like, we created this model that the music industry was created by like, or sustained by being able to take these like flights.  And we've all built these like kind of like luxurious lives around these like cheap flights. And even me with this with this project in Brazil, like up until two years ago, it seemed very easy just to travel, travel back and forth with a, with a plane. And now it just doesn't seem so realistic anymore to really, to really do like work until like, to navigate in this way anymore. And, and by, by having all these flights, we kind of lost our connection with the land. And if we think back to like, dozens of years or hundreds of years ago, if we think back to like the old silk roads of our time where people would travel from from Europe, and they would travel all the way to Asia on the Silk Road, and like bring back spices and different, different goods. And, but along the way, they exchange culture, they would do different like halfway houses, different stepping stones along the way where little hubs, like cultural hubs would grow. And there'll be like little communities would grow just because it was on the trade route and like, on a kind of exchange route. And like over time with the, with like the advance of technology, of, of transport with, with, with flights, all these places, all these places just died because everyone was flying, just flying over them. And no one was, was connecting with the land anymore. So yeah, so, but now of course, with corona and flying not being so cool, ecologically as well with, with the carbon footprint, flying is kind of not really so attractive. And not for many people is not, people are seeing that it's just not really viable as a way of building a kind of social life, social cultural life around. So I really feel that the next years, like the post corona years, post pandemic years will be really like culturally connecting back with the land, connecting back with the local, the local environment, obviously, but also just like, seeing what's around, seeing what's around and traveling more by overland, by railway or by car or however. So we are kind of like, so like, kind of when I go back to when I just to go back to the map, I kind of had this like idea that like maybe this hemisphere could also be a kind of a platform for creating these, these exchange ways, these pathways or silk roads of the future. And the kind of like, for example, we're like, we're in, in France now, where I spent a lot of time. And we're like, we're here. And this year, I went up, I went up to Norway to visit some friends here. And then I came back down and visit some friends here and each, each place having a place to stop off in a different community and exchanging some like some music and exchanging some, some like techniques of yeah, like, like, permaculture techniques. And, and like, there's a lot of people who like, naturally, go from Germany and the north of Europe in the winter, because it's so cold, they naturally do this like little route all the way down to Spain or to Portugal. There's a lot of people passing through here where we are in France, because it's kind of like a halfway house between the two. So there's a lot of people passing through constantly up and down. And I thought it could be really nice to like, create this like a little roadway map, where you can see all these different like natural routes where you can connect with different communities along the way. And like, and that would be attractive to like musicians as much as like people who are interested in permaculture or if I regenerate regenerative farming. And yes, so that kind of because when we think about like cities at the moment, everyone, everyone there was a big like, like a kind of rush to like, kind of urban sprawl. And after the industrial revolution and towards the cities, because, because there was work and there was excitement of culture. And and yeah, kind of people just like started clustering around the cities because of this. And obviously, the older farms and the rural areas, all the young people left and got abandoned. And this is all this is a global thing. Every, everywhere in the world is like this. And yeah, and I kind of what now with Corona, people are really understanding that like, like being in rural areas actually is actually quite nice, especially in these times. And that's but the one thing that's always lacking is the culture. And it is like, yes, there are some like festivals that happen in the nature, but like, it's hard to find culture in rural areas, or unless you create it. And so this was kind of a way to kind of, but there are a lot of people coming back to these projects, a lot of people are searching these these different projects and eco villages. And and if people can like instantly connect them, like by music and bring culture there, like kind of exchange, maybe people could go there. And as a musician, just like, do like a little like kind of event, or exchange some knowledge of music. And but at the same time, work on the farm a little bit and not pay anything. And I have like a kind of exchange, without any kind of like exchange of money. And just go from one project to the next exchanging music, exchanging seeds, exchanging knowledge of farming techniques, and to kind of create a new culture around this of exchange. And I think it's kind of happening already, it's just that for a lot of people, it's not really accessible, unless you're like really into it really connected with it. So this map was kind of an also like a way to make it very visible and make it very clear. And for people who are into music, just as much as people are into the farming and just as much as people are into nature or, or traveling, traveling in general, instead of paying for like Airbnb hostels in nature, what's the point when you have so many amazing communities around the world, that puts you up for free. If you have just something to exchange or some kind of, or willing to kind of work a little bit. And yeah, so this kind of brings back to the idea of like regrounding the kind of musical community to like bring regent of music culture and regent of agriculture, like fusing it together.  Like now we've had the urban sprawl and now it's like we can have a rural sprawl as well and make kind of the. But yeah, that's the kind of, there's more there and I kind of been talking a lot. But I'm very curious to kind of hear what everyone else um, to connect with you guys and hear what your, your, your impressions are of it. Maybe I'll stop sharing my screen now. No, no, no, don't, don't, don't. Yeah, don't. Very powerful storytelling, Peter. Amazing. I remember I think I was with you also that night, too, when we met him, no, I was with Jacob. Yeah, we're all together in this night. So we were dancing in this club and I was, um, I was really excited to meet you live because I just got to know you through SoundCloud and at the CCC the year before. Um, and I was excited that you were embarking on this project. Um, uh, I remember like was like two, three, two, three years ago. You first had this idea. I remember. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. I think it's exciting because, you know, I can tell you a lot of stories, for instance, in the south of Italy, where music and food and regeneration and staying together normally in, in, in rural environment, but not only in rural environment, really the three essential elements for weaving very wide ecosystems of people. And so I would really love to see more south of Italy. Well, Italy in general, uh, dots in that map soon. Yeah. I hope we can maybe make it happen, but I can tell you a story. So in the, in Puglia, in the, in Apuglia, in the, there is one of the largest production of tomato in, in Italy. Uh, Italy is one of the largest importer of tomato and larger exporter of tomato, which is still a lot of tomatoes that hold here. Um, which is a funny thing to, I mean, a kind of silly really thing to, to, to see because it's like, can you just eat it when it's the right season? And that's it. So, um, the problem with tomato production is that a lot of people from Africa and from migrant routes, they get trapped into this, into, in the side, into south of Italy, working in extremely, uh, marginalized, uh, communities, um, at very cheap labor price. So they get, I think, five euro per day to pick tomato in the middle of August, in the middle of July, uh, they had to try, they have to travel to get there to the actual field. It's all managed by mafia. It's all managed by, by the local, uh, the local, uh, organized crime. And everybody knows it. You know, there are reports of major journals and everybody know it, Europe knows, everybody knows it. Those are the tomatoes you find in your pizza. Those are the tomatoes that you buy at the supermarket if you buy tomato, uh, from Italy in a can. Of course, Italy, this is an example, it's not the only one. This is the problem with agriculture and intensive agriculture is problem that exists, I think, all over the world at the moment. But what was, what is happening there still, sadly, is that every summer you have this, basically this concentration camp of people, uh, from all over Africa mostly, uh, and from, from Central Africa especially, and that get amassed in this concentration camp, uh, and then during the day they go to, to, to pick up tomatoes and they're extremely disconnected with whatever else is around. So, along this, uh, very sad story, a very happy story happened is that, um, a couple of friends of mine, they decided one night to get their van and go with, um, Senegalian, uh, musician friend of them, which maybe you know, it's Babasi Soko. Okay. Definitely. Definitely. No, it's, it's really good music. Yeah. They went in the middle of the night in one of this concentration camp and they started to do, uh, a party, like a rave with this people. Nice. So, out of this night, um, a very cool project started called Funky Domedo, uh, which probably is not, it's not the, well I think it's also a funny brand because Funky Domedo can mean so many things, uh, where the president is actually one of these people, um, you can pre-buy the tomato if you want to support this, uh, the production of the next year, um, but this tomato that is grown and picked and produced and distributed in a way that is not only fair for the people that actually pick up these tomatoes, but they're also, also the way it gets branded, the way it connected with the, with the end consumers, ultimately. And it's not that more expensive than the one you buy in the, in the shop. Of course, it's not super cheap, but it's like, you know, it's a bit more expensive and it's extremely good tomato, by the way. So, I always love to see these kind of projects that connects music, food and people because they're really the three essential elements. You can make anything out of it. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. It's a recipe for life. Yeah. Music is energy, food is energy. I don't know what else is energy, but like what we connect with is energy, it's like really the, the fundament. And just like he said, like if we have like direct energy exchange between this and create these like little, these little connections between these, like those cycles or little networks between them, that's what the magic happens and that's where like it's fun and yeah, it's not just business, but it's life. And that's, I think that's kind of, as well like you said, it was to me as far as about it's about creating like a foundation for like good living, like good living, enjoying and celebrating. That's another thing we were talking about yesterday about like, there's a lot of amazing permaculture projects and a lot of projects that a lot of them are very serious, you know, they're very seriously putting their older heart and soul into like making sure to, because it takes a lot of work to to make it work, because it's so tough to do it, to do it these days like without like pesticides and doing things well, because it's just because the whole society is not built around us, you have to really like go against the grain somehow and it's a lot of work. And so sometimes we arrive these places and they're so busy and it's so serious that there isn't there isn't much time to enjoy, you know, and time to celebrate. And what's really like, what's so important in life is to celebrate what you do, to celebrate your hard work and to celebrate like to have these moments where you can really just let loose and let go and relax and to kind of celebrate together what you're doing. It creates so much energy as well to celebrate. And in these places like some of the visitors, there's no room or there's no like everyone there, everyone there are super into the farming that there's no, and everyone who's music, who's cultural, like culture but anyone who's musicians, they all went to the city to get work and there are no one who's, there's no artist living there and not always the case but of course not always the case but it's just, yeah like you said, if there's this like, if there's like connection between the celebrating and what you're doing, it just becomes life and not just like working. Totally and it's also, first before continuing, I want to welcome our friend Sara Swadi which is joining in this amazing call from, from where are you? I'm in Jakarta. Jakarta, wow, it's so cool. I did have a question actually but not if I'm interrupting so whenever the moment comes again, yeah. So yeah, I really love your project and I'm so grateful for the space to talk about the challenges when it comes to SolarPunk 2077 because like it's true we're sort of seeing this revisioning of the world like with permaculture, with how music fits in to a regenerative culture and to like this, yeah like to how we kind of are replacing a lot and like placemaking is so fundamental to what you're talking about too like how do we create place with culture and it's kind of interesting to me because when I think about the challenges of like that you're speaking to which is you know like musicians traveling around the world and like you know like if if someone was like oh Peter Power is playing you know here like I'm gonna be like cool maybe I'll go there you know because like what because it sounds dope and I guess like it makes me think about hierarchy in a way and how maybe like you know we really like like decentralizing music in a way because right now like the reason I would do that is because like we you know certain musicians we just think of them as the best and there's like this idea that you know like we need to be where they are because you can't find anything as good around you and maybe it's in part because we're not really accustomed to being musical ourselves and celebrating like you're saying like kind of like bringing that bringing play and celebration as fundamental aspects of of our local lives and so instead we go to it right and like or we wait for it to come to us and I'm curious it sounds like you know tactic like it's I'm curious about like tactics for that you know like the decentralization of of like musical expertise or like there's a social theory you know called social ecology where I talk about how like the shaman for example is there like the origin hierarchy and like when we create hierarchy we begin to displace ourselves and and I'm curious about like how that kind of fits in I know this is maybe less of a question and more of like an open thought but um yeah it sounds like like those are the things that are being woven and I'm wondering if you have any thoughts on it I guess um but yeah that's not a good point about like really just decentralizing the the the kind of music community and you know up until now like the kind of the whole last two thousand years has been like this um kind of creation of the individual and set like and putting the individual in the pedestal like if um if you're if you were like in classical music for example if you need to train for like ten years to be a musician before you actually can be heard and then and then like and only the best musicians we could get put on stage and there's this kind of like uh yeah kind of continuous kind of like like refining what it is as a musician not only the best can be heard and and then Europe this is so strong putting the musician in the pedestal but whereas if you go to Brazil like first time I went to Brazil or Uganda it was just such a rather fresh artistic like like if if you go to Brazil and you just sit on any street walk like on any any kind of curb street curb with a guitar and just start playing within five minutes someone will come along and just start like drumming under like clapping their hands or like singing or like like just people just feel so part of the music there's no like okay you're a musician you're and everyone just loves to hear and and feels completely like uh free to join and I think this is uh we have always felt strongly as like as a DJ like you mentioned this about about like shamanism I started to feel really uncomfortable the last years about being a DJ and um I just didn't I didn't enjoy like I made a post about it a few years and actually that was kind of also the kind of start of thinking about stimulus fair was that I just don't enjoy being on a stage to people and playing and like having all this responsibility to kind of create a vibe you know like three or four people get in a big party are like even a responsibility to like create the vibe to like uh I mean like just create a book like of course just feedbacking from the people as well but if you think about how it was before people people would just like have a fire and dance around in the circle and there was no like everyone did it together and everyone felt empowered together and I really feel that like these these days it's just consumerism it's just you go to party because you want to consume the music you and the whole like festivals uh concept is built around this that like the like the best the music that it has the most people is the music that can sell the most alcohol and kind of sell the highest price tickets that's what succeeds and that's what like that's the benchmark for culture is like what can sell the most music sell the most tickets and and like and also if you make a big sound system you just blow people out of it then you can get even more people and then you can like have like so like the more compression the more we can glass people out of it the more you can create a the more you can sell drinks and and like this is the whole concept of music culture of festivals and and um there isn't much room for subtlety there isn't much room for connection like subtle connection and there isn't much room for ambient music for example if like Beat who was doing um i can clown he does like do this like a headphone concept where maybe you can talk a little bit better um yes it's also um aiming to make it possible for people to participate into the music and um so there's a binaural microphone in the center i don't know if you had the chance to do it last year on the ccc um and there's uh many people we we play with 40 people with head um wireless headphones connected to this sound from this one uh binaural microphones and then we have some loop machines and some live setup where the sound that everyone hears goes through so all the people can if they feel an impulse or feel touched by i don't know a rhythm or something they can participate into the sound and yeah it's more in uh collective experience kind of yeah completely takes away the like performer and people like you have 40 headphones so everyone comes in with into the space and they don't really know what's going on they can hear music and it's and uh the closer you get to the microphone the later it becomes like the letter the sound becomes from from uh but um the listener doesn't know if like what's going on and slowly to realize that they're part of the sound they're part of the music and if they sing close to the microphone it becomes everyone hears it and some of the people who are musicians this who are so used to being consumers and listeners feel so empowered just to be able to like express themselves and the people who are always singing are the people who've never sung before yeah like the people are really like the people yeah the people are really going for it are the people that like never had a six just chance before because they've always thought that they weren't musicians or whatever and this is like and it's it's such a quiet thing because everyone's really listening and it's just one microphone in the center of the of the space and that was with eigenclang like this where we are now this community where we are now is kind of the hub for eigenclang at the moment yeah and like we were touring in festivals around Europe and it was always so hard to like compete with the big sound systems yeah because there's no there's no space for ambience ambience in a musical context in terms of gatherings because you're always competing with this like boom boom yeah like no space for environmental or sounds around yeah like and very generative right yeah that's interesting so we're like I really feel like the festival system is this people come and they got blasted out of it and they work hard they work nine to five they work hard and they just want to be blasted out of it hard to work hard play hard and this one we blasted out of it and kind of just like drink a drink a lot maybe and and just kind of block out the environment that they're in because it's not a very kind of instead of celebrating the environment and for me celebrating the environment is like playing music quietly and and having the birdsong as part of the atmosphere and with this kind of eigenclang setup it was the first time I really saw it in musical culture where wow this is like really a different paradigm like a new paradigm of how music can be and and like the bird like you can really hear birds in while you're while you're like singing or playing guitar or even playing beats it becomes part of the music I really feel like shifting this awareness because the more you do it the more like if you go out the weekend and you just got blasted out of it all weekend you just carry this onto the midweek and this becomes part of your like maybe a routine or mental stream and people wear like noise cancellation headphones on the street because they don't want to hear the sound of cars or and it's always blocking out blocking out blocking out the environment and not nothing against noise cancellation headphones that they have their purpose but like but just I really feel that we've lost this ability to tune into nature and to tune into silence yeah I saw that silence is very uncomfortable for a lot of people it's funny I was like talking to a Shaman recently and she was saying that in the tradition that she learned in in Brazil that the community was the shaman and that she wasn't and I think it's really interesting because I feel like you're taking it a step further and you're like the ecology is the shaman or at least that's where I'm like kind of hearing it's like the whole the whole of the world is the shaman or like because I think the musician is typically the one like you're saying setting the vibe and I feel like that's the role of the shaman actually is like to basically hold the container and so it's like kind of interesting because if the community is the shaman or the ecology is the shaman then the container gets much bigger but it's super interesting to play with thank you yeah I really like this like a like for me this whole like new era this new age of Aquarius whatever that may be like for me it's really about this thing of interbeing and not just like stepping out of the human the human community idea that like we're just like we're humans and and this nature and and moving towards this idea of like expanding the compass of of what community is to like incorporating like all living beings incorporating at the animal kingdom incorporating the plant plant life and I really feel this new year is this new um this new connection with with like relating to to plants and fungus and virus and bacteria and animals as a kind of just other like equal beings and like equal rights for these beings and that like uh this is the right this is where we feel the way it's going and and give corona rights yeah yeah exactly let her live but like we're like understanding what it is that that this because like it's also interesting that it's like oh sorry keep going no no no no nothing it was a joke but like I'm putting it in my head yeah I want to share with you um this this idea that um this awareness that um the full vibe is created by really everything is is um the source where the music is coming the other people joining the ecosystem where you are the sounds coming from um the sea or the wind on the tree or the birds and the the preciousness of of this um of this combination of this melting of the everything um arriving to to his hearing and and often just reverberating with it and recreating this uh amplifying this vibe um when when before the conversation was mentioned um how sometime the border between who is playing and who is listening and in general who is participating um without the need of splitting who is playing who is listening um this this make me think um how the contests were um often music is being played this is adding so much to the to the full experience of who is there and came in mind how um I visited some communities where some nourishing beautiful music was happening there um and it's happening also supported by what was around the forest or um the specific situation where what was happening and I was imagining the map that you showed us before and imagining um during a journey or while passing in a new area where I don't know and start tasting and start sensing the difference house coming from that area and um having the possibility to connect with that was was very um it was tasty as idea and um I was thinking how there is also the the music the the sounds coming from the ecosystem in itself and um there's something very precious as well I imagine you know um the sounds from the amazon the birds from the um the whole orchestra um of beings playing and how that maybe can find a place on this map as well um how uh certain communities or um eco villages living in a very close contact um with this natural orchestra playing all the time um yeah maybe up here there yeah I mean that's what that's what means places yeah well there is a very similar map that what you're describing is called audiomapper.org I think he's putting onto this yeah um which is kind of set it's a few recordings on a map of them all around the world and you can just like click I can even show you quickly we just need to have audiomapper but uh it's really it's really really beautiful side thing.org yeah here we go so this is this is what you're describing um more or less like you have like all these are all these are um creative commons free to download uh sanscapes around the world um so you go anywhere and you can just I don't know if you can hear that but you can download it and you can play it and um there we go you hear that we hear it yeah this isn't a really amazing map so I've been like for like is that real like is that live is it recorded? No it's not live it's someone's recorded with a recorder and I'm not uploading it live yeah oh I didn't see if it wasn't live you're too advanced um but yeah this is like this is a really amazing site and I think more of this kind of stuff where people can really connect with the environment um it's happening in this in this year of corona where everyone's just staying at home there's not so much traffic on the road so you can get much better field recordings people are connecting with their what's around them and um yeah like somehow like having the quiet like having this quietness and having people that just people to realize this year that like that they are finally had a chance to like have peace and like bring down the like this constant hyper stimulation of everything of everything to like tune into the subtler sounds like like bird sounds or and tune into these subtler musical sounds I see how often I would visit a community or a village um just starting from the sound that this um where this place is is laying that will be already um something yeah yeah absolutely yeah that's a good point actually you could hear like you could incorporate this audio map maybe like just like feed it into this map as well maybe you could work together and you could just hear like a that'd be a nice idea actually yeah yeah yeah it's nice idea yeah the beauty of this map is there's so many ways it can it can grow and so many different ways it can like um yeah kind of like uh different different dimensions they can it can be communicated on for just not just for artists you know travelers for like musical collectors um whatever yeah but what tell you I I really love the idea of seeing a map finally I was so happy to see a map um showing something really existing or something that potentially is being created through the connection that um um having something represented graphically yeah because I saw I'm seeing so many um lovely and beautiful projects and so many of them that are some are very small and I at the same time me or many other friends that don't know they would connect with them that would be aware that they exist um so I'm a welcome a lot um showing what for someone is invisible just making it on a map yeah exactly yeah making them like uh yeah and making easy to connect with with culture and and the sense yeah and traveling and yeah but I would like to put it out there that like we started this project here it was two years a year and a half ago now and like it's like as people like as we're because we're not really like um web designers or web builders or page builders I know this isn't a really nice platform for a lot of like different whoever whoever's listening out there or or anyone I don't know or like really feel like this that we got it as far as we can take it but I just don't have expertise to really like to really get like take it to take it to where it would be um like we like our team doesn't really have the expertise to take it to the next level like in terms of function and fun and yeah and fun make it much more intuitive and and like create like a kind of like a like ideally would be like a um a login system where you can log in you can post events post festivals create your own projects like put like create your own dot on the map and of course we with some kind of um curation or or administration but to be really like a kind of um a horizontal thing where people really like a social network where people really create create together you have developers sorry do you have developers no we've been doing ourself that's the thing like we don't we don't have funding like we've no funding we've just been doing it out of love and that of doing and we've been doing out of feeling that it's a necessity and kind of also just to kind of connect kind of archive all different places that we that we want to connect and kind of make it visible for our friends and um and anybody who's interested but like yeah we're like at the moment or at the crossroads where we need to kind of have funding to be able to like or find some way to kind of take it to the next level in terms of programming and especially on the on because especially for like an app as an app to work as an app and um yeah to kind of make it really nice and intuitive and I mean people most people use on on mobiles these days and when the mobile doesn't it works but it's like yeah it's not there and we're really inspired by radio garden I don't know if you're familiar with radio garden are you in our telegram channel um no I don't think so okay well maybe you can drop some links yeah or maybe someone else well but yeah radio I love radio garden radio garden is that the one where you can listen to radio all over the world yeah yeah and that's awesome and there's also radio which is like a history of all the music from all the different decades there's radio one just radio with a lot of o's at the end yeah it's it's really amazing like they've just upgraded recently one that you they will listen sometime is this map that you can decide to listen to radio in Korea in the 40s that's radio garden but what's radio with four o's radio garden is the live digital radio and radio oh no okay so you can broadcast is that what you mean Peter um I'll maybe I can show you quickly um but yeah it's just I'm talking about this this one in particular because it's just the app is so good now for the phone and just it's so much fun and if you could like travel by like also by listening to music at the same time and connect with people in this kind of fun way just it's just like yeah it's how the vision for the for the radio of symbiosfera is that the radio eventually becomes like this really nice kind of player but some with a huge amount of music and you can just like search the world and play different songs or just shuffle it and get this like really nice intuitive like enjoyable connection to what you're to what uh to what you're listening to and and this is kind of a point I wanted to bring up as well was that like about three years ago I stopped researching music I spent like I spent the first 15 years of my of like since the age of 14 I've just been devouring music like consuming and consuming just like like uh anything I could find is downloading albums by albums maybe spending eight hours just devouring different music like music from around the world and music in general and just threw my stuff into it and always putting out mixes always playing and and but about three years ago I kind of uh two years ago I just started to lose the love of it somehow of this this mode of researching music and I just wasn't being fulfilled by it doesn't feel grounded it didn't feel good anymore I just even though the music was like not that was there was no no more good music being made I noticed so much good music out there but the way that I was engaging with it was for me wasn't healthy and I just decided I would just stop digging I would stop digging music because it's I don't like I didn't connect with this just like consuming and downloading and just having no real connection from what I'm downloading and and I stopped I basically just stopped researching music and it was really for me a really new thing after 15 years just devouring music and consuming it and since then I've been appreciating sites like audiomapper and radio.org this is not working because it's a fire because it's maybe it's or it was yeah um but anyway but like I've been and since then I've been appreciating radio because it's kind of it's more real it's like live it's someone a human behind it's not just an algorithm it's uh somehow kind of circumstantial kind of spontaneous like serendipitous to hear music in this way and I've been enjoying live music a lot more and not really so after recorded music so much but like about real things that without connect like the music I love today is about what our friends are making what and what our friends are doing and and hearing music live and hearing music connected to good projects and I don't have this completely like like felt this don't have the same drive to find new crazy new music because even if even if it's amazing music this for me the moment for me that uh music isn't just what you hear it's everything like that's around it like the funky tomato it's not just the the music itself but it's just everything around is the whole thing that makes the music for me man for me music is not just like audio it's music is life the music is like connectedness yeah the intention I guess the intention behind it and the connect like I said the connection between between what's all what we use it together and how how it's presented and I always give this this analogy of like origami the Japanese they just love presentation because for them like they spend like more time with the presentation than they do buying the gift because for them the presentation is as important as what as what the actual art is and what the actual gift is because it it's like and for me I see Spotify and I don't like Hammer on Spotify but like it's the presentation is is um is an algorithm and a very like a generic thing where each track and you see a bit of artwork but you don't really look at the artwork so much and the presentation is like very very dull and like on and for all communicative and um and brain nothing so I don't know one comment I have for that sorry um this is the idea of I mean the one thing is the consuming music and then consuming music as a producer so one of the inspirations I get from you is even like is there a way to give something back like this is what symbiosis is offering me as an invitation is there a way to to give back to something and yeah around this idea another speaker in this space Eric Butler friend of a genius um making a project maybe you would like to uh yeah just share the idea of um that you can give back to the source of where it's coming from and um maybe it's more fun or it feels more healthy or it feels more grounded to um if you're producing music and you're just not only taking the tracks and from the water sounds from somewhere but you find a way to let energy travel through this connection that you're establishing with yeah exactly this yeah and there's a kind of feedback mirror between the the musician who's being inspired by the by the nature and the nature like the more you give to the in the nature the more kind of you amplify it the more like with this project in brazil like this this it's like a bank um website bank um label and uh it's for them it's for free ordination it's not just like okay here's two euro first like two euro to like download or a fixed price but like shifting into like a supporting economy where it's not just paying for a subscription or paying for a download but it's you're making you're making the listener instead of being become uh instead of being like a consumer of the music they become um a supporter and um it creates a shift in the in the tall pattern of like okay i don't just like pay my money and get what i want to get but actually stop and think okay how much is this how much value does it actually have um does this music have and how much how much value does this project have and it just creates a shift in the thinking of from consumer to supporter like you said and and um and i think this is really the key as well of shifting the consumer mindset to more interactive and collaborative um interaction and uh i think that like once once we like and in this in in in this case like the more money that comes into the project the more more the more money can be the money is used to like amplify the the permaculture project or the refire station project so then nature becomes even more beautiful and then the music is even more inspired so it's like this kind of like feedback loop of like um nice feedback yeah nice feedback loop of birds and more birds yeah come more birds more nicer bird sands more water like where we live is really in the balance of like when it's a dry season there's like no waterfalls yeah and when there's like i think on the on the lines of um let's say regenerative uh feedbacks um i mean i see as i i said before i think really like music and food are really vectors and who um to carry a lot and um but not like you've been exploring this idea of like uh the soundscape this map maps that you show before where you can connect more with the environment and but i really like this idea that music is actually and especially music in this way like like symbiosphera is is is uh is suggesting is also a way to regenerate generations and namely people that goes you've been like tracing a little bit your discontent on how you are consuming and producing music as a mostly urban grown person or like western grown up person right and and but then you see that for instance music can be a vector in the way that when you go to rural places often you find mostly you find uh very interesting uh let's say more traditional uh ways of making music in the sense of actual uh sounds of actual rhythms but also actual rituals that are around this music that is way different from the urban way of doing music and consuming music and i think when people discover this they are struck to go and visit these places and also connect much deeper in that way because music doesn't lie music is not something that you can uh let's say you cannot fake the the vibe with the music like it or not like it doesn't resonate right so i i'm on the other way back people that lives in the rural area and see you come there with this amazing techno gear uh loop station uh they're freaking amazed to like play with the shit you know like they they really like can way to have somebody to come there to play with this stuff as well so i think it's a two-way relationship yeah absolutely you know and it's i've been seeing this happening a lot and i feel this is extremely interesting so it's not connecting only with the environment but also across generation and across epoch across eras you know in different places um and yeah of course food you can also then put food in between there's uh we were actually about to host um Vanessa Lorenzo uh which is a Basque um bio artist to do a mossy later the in the place we live it's called moss which is not moss the plant but it's it's it's a different type of moss but there is basically this possibility of playing plants or with plants yeah so with with the sort of galvanic sensor now i'm not really an expert of those but maybe you are mitty spread is this whole my friends in in Norway are doing actually yeah they're actually working they're actually working with a thing called mitty spread where they put sensors on the plants yeah they transfer to mitty and and they create like ambient music with yeah it's a really nice project it's organic structure he has some recordings here yeah but um it's exactly this you're saying yeah awesome let's connect it more i hope this can also be a call for people that want to engage in open source projects and meaningful projects especially developers um yeah it's really yeah and um when we're coming to like end this very most beautiful session and the next session is not in a program but um it's just like a little conversation of making sense of all the conversations that we had but before that i was thinking maybe we can make some eigenklang you know make some sounds together yeah including the ones that are listening you know make some sounds at home maybe i can do the voice the new voice chat feature in the telegram group and then pass the audio here if you give me one minute let's do it feature do you want to tell us how how the vision started from symbiosfera is there um i imagine um it's a seed or sometimes it's an immediate vision or yeah yeah it's i guess it was like a kind of a combination of many different different seeds that kind of form together and and yeah i don't know i just kind of um like i i started off with this this talk about my daughter and and i'll be not not being able to like find a project i resonated with musically to kind of spend in a kind of in a community so this is really one seed but the other yeah the other one was um uh yeah really a platform for for the project i had in brazil this symbiotic this symbiotic project this symbiosis between the music studio and the land studio really having this revelation that like of course if music isn't symbiosis with nature then beautiful things can happen and this was really like yeah i really wanted to create a platform for this exist and couldn't find anything that was existing so it was really like a yeah really like connecting with this symbiote like symbiosphere which is which which means like the atmosphere of symbiosis and i've always like musically i've just been coming like i started off um i started off making like techno music and very fast music and like as years gone on i'm just becoming more and more ambient and more and more tuning into subtler sounds and tuning into silence and uh and yeah so this is just being a natural progression to kind of to tune into like when once i started to kind of really tune i bring my my like hyper stimulated like uh mind which i started which i kind of like was trusting to the music sphere with so much stimulus from the computers from tv from from advertisements from like music and culture that i couldn't quite i couldn't quite my mind to like really make ambient music so all my whole life i wanted to be an ambient producer but i was never able to bring my my awareness down quite enough to be able to like really relax into the into ambience it's only in this time in this year now that we're like there isn't much there's no festivals happening there's there's no culture so much culture happening that like a lot of musicians are becoming ambient producers because because it's like because they're able to yeah they're not thinking about the dancer anymore that there is like it makes sense just to play to your surroundings and it's really i think it's really blessing that this is happening because i really feel the more ambient not exactly ambient but like it can be like ambient like touched to to rock music ambient touched electronic music but if everything this has like a slight more touch of ambience then the levels go down the compression goes down and the dynamics become increased and the awareness becomes increased i mean because it's amazing feedback of yeah absolutely absolutely i'm seeing so much how um the different expressions of ambience and the beats and the vibe are um creating and shaping so much the vibe i i see how sometime in um negaturing of people are um when there is a vibe which is still enough or which is allowing um what is asking to sprout out just sprout out and come um it's it's something very fascinating and and and touching um to see this thinness and um the vibe that gets richer and richer and richer and um yeah it's a very um yeah it has been a very intense revelation for me how um we are playing in um this field of um very subtle form of uh interactions and uh when there is a fertile soil which can be created by um also music also vibration also a container that allow um those connection those dances to happen um yeah and yeah big thank you to um to the vibration to ambience music to what is coming to you for sharing um the story of symbiosfera and your yeah your openness to share the full story and the call um for contributors for for developers for more communities that want to to be there on the map to share their um the sounds their voices their music um their healing spaces here we have any more being meanwhile yeah yeah and thank you so much for yeah creating this space as well it's really really nice to connect as well and the telegram group is speeding into the stream so we're not gonna hear it here and um but i think it's screaming directly inside the streaming i guess so we're gonna we're gonna do eigenclang now i'm not accountable or responsible if people will stream not approved gamma tracks or whatever else but yeah maybe we can do what's the name in german with this practice of making noise to get eigenclang eigenclang so what do we have here we have two cups Christmas theme eigenclang this is the beauty of eigenclang as well when we when we ever do these things you start to like really explore the environment and see what you see like what do we got like what makes sounds sounds around yeah you just start to explore and like turn on the hoover uh you know just like just see what's there see what makes noise interact with sounds like see what like if your nature just like yeah what what what muscles what like what's already there bring a microphone to if there's a beehive bring a microphone to be hive explore what's around you and uh yeah this is like a nice kind of little it's like a little mini inside into what eigenclang can be music is really nice from which to explore hmm so when are you back in Berlin uh good question yeah you you guys learn um you have a little studio right above moose right yeah it's more like our house but it's a studio i like the studio mode are you there now it's a big a yeah well it looks like you're in a it's more than a big game the art the artwork behind you this is a roam no this one oh this is a backdrop it's not actually this is an actual okay nice um yeah the next time in Berlin a good question maybe next time we go north these days i don't i don't we just kind of currently i'm going south because it's um the next time we go north which is probably in the one more days that will probably pass by Berlin and it'll be amazing to connect that person and yeah the little talk again yeah yeah we'd love to set up the eigenklang setup for our new year's eve you know or whatever with megan yeah oh yeah you can just get a field recorder and a headphone splitter and maybe a looper yeah yeah you don't need so much it's not so high tech yeah it's real fun i think yeah i'm kind of traveling uh you're kind of running a caravan kind of eigenklang caravan yeah bring the tamora party yeah welcome to the very very last session of our four day streams place making the solar tank with us live in the studio welcome henny live from london phoebe right next to me ottman live from jakarta saraswati in yellow today chris looks like orange and uh yeah and a very master of disaster uja samovar you're welcome to stay live with us for the for the closing session you put the wipes in in us that's for sure the ideas that we had four days of conversations and we just want to like share reflections or share moments that that touched us and i will start with the first story and in the morning of today i was watching solar punk girls session and i was just sitting here being live on stream and then i was in a bit of a like solar punk started with the meditation so i was sitting in my meditation post and then uji came by and he brought a paper that said look on the candle till you start to cry and he put a candle here and made me stare at the candle so i was like this was my morning meditation i was very focused moment i was wondering it was so funny i didn't see there until at the end it's like oh hey we should have made a reference to you as like uh some kind of being from the future it's like wordless knowledge this the sessions are so for me just so interwoven right i mean like there was my michael bounds talking about we need to mutualize all the infrastructure and then it's like peter powers presenting like a whole map where you like building a new kaija and you see like all the different projects that can like be part of that or like even the the whole solar punk governance ways of making governance decisions with the with the birds like can be part of some you know new kaija map like like that and um yeah the other highlight uh for me was the the hologram session um it felt so powerful um how was it for you yeah actually i was thanks um i think i was so blown away by by the hologram project that i was having trouble to make words about it like it's so meaningful and so wonderful um but yeah i mean i mean used to being like having the i don't know like maybe there's a nice project but it's missing something it seems to be like pretty complete so it was a bit floored by how wonderful it was it's shocking they just feel wow this is great and then and i'm hoping to see all of us there together supporting each other in a hologram of some sort um what is that for you yeah i found cassie to be so generous with her time she was just she just wanted to support she just wanted to spread it not as a leader but as the steward and like that's so much like what her practice is right she's like if anybody wants to do it i'll help facilitate it like she has a million things to be doing she's written a book but she's here often like facilitation to anybody who turns up on the internet basically a bunch of randomers who enjoy her work so i just think that like she really walks the walk in this practice and you can tell by like the diligence in her research like how she brings it so the fact that like this was brought in to this very solar punk place making narrative i think it fits really well and i'm just really happy to have had a chance to be a part of it i didn't really know i didn't really know much about it until the akob hany and yugioh like you're going to interview cassie i was like oh great okay i would love to do that i started to interrupt there um but we actually have we kind of delayed our community meeting to do this to do this talk your bacterial what was that for you this morning the bacterial bacterial council is starting that's how i do my exit but uh thanks for your time peter yeah thank you so much and yeah so we have to to duck out but yeah we have you know just jumping into this meeting another meeting now tell them we say hello yeah we love meetings but has this all been recorded or yes i'm really curious to get our talks like i just caught the end of the hologram one and i'm really curious um actually they're gonna they are being uploaded automatically in a sort of crappy way and then it's no need and um and then in a few days we will have the proper one online like nicely polished and shit okay if you want to share it and if you want to watch it you can watch the crappy one if you want to share it i would suggest you wait a couple of days yeah sweet nice well thank you so much pizza i took it how this continues all right thank you wow hello yeah i one thing that touched me was to see the the dedication the commitment for for making it happen from everyone involved with it i mean first navigating all the organizational thing and configuring the broadcasting and thank you how you put so much love and care in this um and yeah seeing how how such um unourishing um space and virtual space it was the first time for uh for everyone organizing it like this um run just by love by people who who want to uh that feel this the thing they want to do it too and pancakes and pancakes by love and pancakes yeah uh the true guiding energies um where is yuji bring yuji into the screen i feel i feel what isn't evident in the main field is the amount of care behind the scenes yeah like when i joined the room and finished the live thing could you was there to like introduce the check everybody make everybody feel comfortable counting you down okay live like yeah well and that's like reflected in what people bring to the to the main field but it was all that little subtle work behind i'm gonna take levis new from kato work he gave us this opportunity to do the stage this year and it's been under so much fucking work for this congress like coordinating the graphics the website the like so many things and the congress is really made by this you know people that they just say yes to this crazy opportunity not really knowing what it entails um but i would say after all it was fun and it was so nice to see you all be part and and contributing uh and supporting uh and also people that didn't like participate maybe in the program but they were there i want to thank basim also at zindi for helping me the first day to set up obvious and uh to kind of inject some salon vibe in the you know is like i'm just learning from great hosts like chris like um pb also and uh yeah i think like people that can really hold a space for for gas to to be there or for a content to be channeled uh that's that's really good stuff and um yeah thank you very much i really couldn't hold space for guests uh at all but after like three four sessions you know you're having fun like right now yeah it happens hey my gosh it's a whole squad so now we talk about squad only this is your room by the way getting some drink for you it's supports on your room beauty is creating what is ownership anyway um i can say like closing remarks if bb and i were talking earlier after um the meditation we were both just like reflecting like i i could feel like the heartfulness of this um from all the way in jacarta and it's crazy after like such a rough year to have so many people come in and just like heart explode everywhere and speak to like what like the world they really want um in like the whole shape of it which is coming from the future um and like dreaming from that future is just so resonant and really aligning you know after like this rough like weird choppy um time like around the world it's so cool to have people land at the end of the year there you know so nicely done really nicely done yeah i was so grateful i called saraswati and i was like oh my gosh i just like i need to be reminded all the time of doing things i love and yeah thanks for creating this i would not have done anything remotely like creative in the in these like three days if it wasn't for you so massive thank you great way to end the year yeah thank you also yeah yeah there's something that feels like a beginning as well and i mean it's also interesting to go into this like something that seems very private but is very public you know and then um i mean how do you deal with the kind of limitations of having you guys very very far away but also you know like tapping in there so like a bit of the the energy of the beginning was there like hey there's like this was just like such a little chunk of friends that we were bringing in but already like the energy that this was generating and the projects that around us that we want to support are so huge and um so how do we continue with the with the energy and um yeah one of the questions that just came up to my mind uh so Phoebe you said you were doing a lot of like reflection and any you were doing some reflection practices too yeah so anybody feel like you know now that we are like having drinks here sharing some announcements with us hmm what's the question reflection this is a jake of kind of question it's like what in the chat uh you and you had posted a series of of questions for reflection and in the end of the year to look back and to to look forward basically and i did a writing session um yeah and i think it's it's really nice to take a moment to break through the year and see what what what comes up in the hands like that's valuable um that you want to bring into the new year with you and maybe some stuff you can just put away for a while yeah break who is a nice this is a very good metaphor break through the sound garden of your years gently break through the sound garden of your year yeah and break down to break through yeah you know the reason i was asking you know we had this idea of making a session about squats and yeah we're kind of like the meter squat session like just showing what is squat and how a squat feels and how a squat talks right so i mean if you have any other ideas of like explaining the squat um i mean yeah or if you know anywhere we can pay for burritos with vibes yeah vibe tokens yeah the the vibe got a lot of energy as well right like peter powers idea of like i don't want to consume vibes i want to create yeah vibes but i want to cool create vibes but you know this is yeah this was the hologram teachings too right it's not the taking it's actually a giving it's actually yeah yeah it's giving a lot to circulate it's staying and then passing and and going and maybe coming back to another person yeah that's right another form i like that sarah videos sometimes like disappear for like five second and then leave a flower his last last attention there she goes yeah let's um i mean it's nice to think about um like this taking a shape i don't know if this is a reflection it's maybe a reflection but it's nice to think about um the shape this will this can take you know like um now that we've realized that there's all of this like credible energy that ug has been the shepherd and summoner of it's really cool to like being to think about um how it might grow and what it could become and how we can also like contribute to all of these incredible projects and be really integrative you know with so much creativity and like yeah so that's nice to reflect on yeah it feels so fertile everything feels much closer from inviting all of this amazing creative energy in and seeing the power of curating and like you said also kind of like unblocking the energy flows between the ecosystem of people projects land um i think that's definitely what we need more of like we all need to contribute to the collective healing of the world in some form and that doesn't mean we all need to be shamans but um there's plenty of different ways in order to to help circulate that energy and i've really experienced that these days absolutely the ecology regenerative sysadmin that's the new title i mean that's the form of transhandling i love it absolutely great yeah i feel we need more of coming together and asking when we need support for a project or just asking and when you ask is reverberating to the network and yeah yeah just coming closer and allow um this part of us that want to flourish and connect to just find our way out like a seed or and sometimes you know i love how when you plant a seed and it's under the earth so the earth is pretty compact in the sea and in that situation you find the power to the strength to uh go through the earth and reach the sun so sometimes when there is also not the perfect situation for for allowing something to flourish but maybe that's creating pressure that can be transformed into something um something nourishing even if it's pressure yeah usually nourishing pressure why have you not been under pressure i've been i've been but i also felt that i was like pushing you to do something you didn't want to or no because that you gave people such like it was with such care i think you asked me like five times you're like are you gonna give a talk or is like i'll try you're like are you gonna give a talk or is like no it turns out it turns out i don't have a time you're like what if i just play one of your videos and ask for q and a's that's like i don't know you're like what about moderating i'll say yeah sure i'll do that i actually pushed you into a good thing yeah me too yuji i i felt i didn't feel pushed i felt um like persistently invited which is a very different thing i woke up this morning literally not knowing what i was gonna we were gonna do and i had not talked at all to my two other speakers and it was great and i think it's because of the magic field you created absolutely persistently welcome i hope it's persistently consensual as well i didn't feel pushed no i just said no but then i should come anyway yay but come on you you spend one night like almost an entire night with chris and i to try to set up this fucking 2d world and then and i'm saying okay whatever no it's a good good concept for next time no yeah you guys don't know the solar punk theme we have in store for next thing yeah we've an entire map that is not there people didn't play with it but it's in our mind solar camp solar camp oh my god solar camp 2021 that's exciting was that the world that we explored you g yeah that's it like yeah but we couldn't know the one we explore was the bitwasher eye the bacteria lab okay your network yeah thanks to mark for actually spending this time showing us through that yeah thanks to mark and bacteria and bitwasher eye and our sister gemini channel and mark this morning made me notice that not to be too proud but like he was showing a screenshot of the of the agenda and you say actually out of 16 assembly channel we are just really very few that are making so much content all the time and so i didn't notice that if you didn't point it pointed to it this wow i was like wow really so i might the other assembly to do more content or i don't know just make it more open and more i don't know international let's say this year was a great opportunity to make it to connect with darker spaces you know from japan to taiwan to mexico uh we tried to do that as well and bacteria bitwasher eye also tried to do that i wish maybe in the next congress that could be much more diversity also in the identity in the representation of the of the actual assembly is a channel um like more increasingly let's say so every year more this year was good absolutely um is it is a big fake this is not a cigar just so maybe we can celebrate the fact that we could smoke him by smoking a cigar make sense oh with this nonsense any interaction with our chat but chat hey i don't know does it not i think they went to sleep everybody yeah there is dominik hello dominik hello alias and jens and eme and andor and swat and everybody that participated in the chat with nice inspiring conversation martin valentine abra racour chicks and everybody else goodbye see you next year