The pearls of wisdom are dropping from my mouth as they're just going blue blue blue blueling from your mouth you say blue blue blue they're just dropping from my mouth. That is my head onto the floor. There's only three people here to pick up those pearls when there could be thousands, millions maybe. Billions. I don't know. I don't know. Let's turn it down. A lot of a lot of pearls. Pearls. These are conceptual pearls. A lot of pearls. Hello everyone. Are we live? Well, it really depends on your perspective. What is live? Because I didn't know if you meant that to be like a hello for us. Like another late greeting for the three of us who are with you. It's subjective. It depends on what your interpretation is. I think that when you say hello, I interpret that as a personal attack or something. Well, what's the something? That is yeah. No, I leave it purposefully ambiguous so it can be whatever I need it to be whenever I need it to be that way. I want to know what it is. Tell me.  Which one is that? Is that the one where I hate brown people?  Yes, that is correct. I'll write that down.  Because there are three sexes. Man, woman and black. That was said at some point, wasn't it? I feel like that's been said on EFAT before. Ironically or not? I can't remember why I said that. I feel like that's something I might have said. I really don't remember. I'm disappointed in myself. Oh, you know the EFAT quiz that you did. I think a fun one would be is this quote a real thing that's been said on EFAT before? Yeah, like multiple choice.  Consider it and how quickly it was constructed. There's a lot of easy questions, which is good. A lot of really hard ones and a lot of fun ones. Which one was fun? I thought they were... It reminded me of school. And I didn't have fun in school because it's take this test. Do this responsible. Make this happen. Fill in the bubbles. Learn the answers. You would say that Mr. had Fs in biology.  Tell us more. No, that's it. That's all there is. It's a boring story. It's not boring. I mean, I was doing some boring. Oh, she was boring? Yeah. Wait, sorry. I assumed they are gender or zoos gender. What? How did they... Was this a person of color? Yeah, like a light beige kind of color? A beige-ish. Yeah, beige-ish. Beige-ish color. Was she a man or was he a woman? She was a teacher. She was an instructor. That's the fourth sex. Man, woman, black and teacher. I mean, if it's written in the stones of the law, you cannot deny it. I hope I don't get stones. What, like kidney stones? No, just like stones, like in my house. Everyone send rag stones. No, please don't. First off, don't send stones. Post him stones. Because if you do, the shipping will be very high because you're shipping rocks, right? That will be heavy. Well, they could be small rocks. They could be hollow rocks, yeah. Yeah. Plastic rocks. That could be a hollow rock, like a geode. You could send geodes. Yeah, send me the geodes, guys. Those are important. Those are mine. Jay eats geodes. He thinks that they're rock candy. Oh, that's my fuel. Geodes are like the crab legs of the rock world. I think peak existence for me is drinking rhino milk out of a geode. I think you'll explode if that ever happens. I don't know. I need to mess it. I need to get some new thumbnails. I want a thumbnail. I want a better thumbnail. Something more, I guess, catchy. How did you get that from what Jay was saying? Yeah. What was Jay saying? Oh, right. Now, I don't think... Mauler, if I asked you seriously what Jay was talking about, I don't think you know. I think you've already forgotten if you even knew in the first place. Drinking rhino milk out of a geode. It was very, very coherent. No, he wasn't. I'm sorry. Jay, what were you talking about? That's not what he said. That's not what he said. What was I talking about?  I have already ripped you into my word game. I thought that's what we're doing is on eFap is weird games.  You're playing my game. Well, maybe I'm losing your game, but you're losing my game because we don't know the rules. My game is where winning is losing. So I'm winning both games simultaneously. No, you're not winning my game because in my game, winning is winning. Maybe the manager. This is a good game. Yeah, well, I have a rule that stipulates that on the eighth of every month after noon, after noon, yes, it rules temporarily. You're not in Australia. Yeah. Can you define like when the evening on what planet? The evening on this planet. What part of it? The planet of denial, which is where you live. You live in the planet of denial. Thank God everything's subjective because this can be considered an intro. What are we doing today? This is going to be considered an intro. Are we live? We are live, right? Oh, yes, yes. Think about this as well. For people who like watching continuity, this is just after the 50th episode, which was like 10 years ago. So it's like, oh, welcome back everybody who survived the 50th episode. It feels like it was a long time ago. 29 hours. That was long. And it was fun. It was split into three parts. I told rag this is funny. The three episodes. Out of the three, two, there was like nine different copyright claims. I have bucked all of them off, except two that got denied back. They're on the third episode, but luckily they still allow it to be viewed. So that doesn't matter. But episode two managed to steer clear of all of that. And episode two is the super controversial one that even got reported for hate speech. So how about that? Oh, wow. Wait, that's the one where J. Longwood said nigger, right? Yes. Okay. The chat would get progressively more hyper. Well, I say with some people literally one guy was very upset. Who? Who was upset? I forget. It was posted in the discord. It doesn't really matter. It's awful. It's interesting how that works. But yeah, it was crazy. The last 10 minutes were cut off or five minutes. And I left a pinned comment talking about that. And for anything that was missed super chat wise, I'm just going to mop them up today, but I'm pretty sure they were mostly just meme words.  So, you know, it's fine. Like I'll read them all out. I said they sent J super chats. No. I thought he was the big buy. I'm not the big guy. I don't think so. J for the law. You're the big guy. The big guy. You're the big guy. And you were here before me. So I can't be that big. By plane. Maybe the small by. Yes. I'm like, I'm kind of like, I'm tall, but thin. You're lanky. Yeah. Oh, so, all right. So you're the fin by. Yes. Like.  We were chasing someone in the forest. That could be some. Oh, is that more of a long man with double these hat? Yes. That's like, I'm not that long. You know, you can get a lot. You're getting longer. I saw that. I saw that another life video. You can't hide from me. That was a long man. It was only an hour. We had people saying like, I could just watch the show. Why would I watch this breakdown? Why is it that I would find something? I did get a lot of people saying, you're just nitpicking. I was like, why would I watch Planet Earth? Like a documentary on life? I could just go outside.  Why would I ever watch the Discovery Channel when I can just walk outside and discover things? Yeah. They're going to watch, watch the lights on the streets as they walk around outside.  It's free. I think it's free. It's life-threatening. Yeah. I'm gonna shush the kangaroos off my balcony as you do in Germany. I'd like, it would be funny if you had like a TV show. There's an Australian character like on like an Xbox 360 style like, you know, in the background, you just have to hear him every once in a while hunting something down. It's like, it's a huge crashing sound. He's like, it's gone in.  He's like, hey guys, I'm back.  Like, oh, it was just, it was just a neighbor dog. There are no lions in Australia. Not in your Australia. That's not true at all. I believe that you have zoos in Australia, correct? I see where you're going with this. You do not have zoos in Australia? Yeah. How would you know? Um, was it confirmed by Biggityus? I think that we have established previously that Australia isn't a real. Yeah, but there are lions there. It is what we call a fake. Wait, so are the lions that are there fake now or real? They are. No, there are real lions, but they're not anywhere. They're just, they're just floating. Yeah. You know what? That doesn't make sense. Yeah.  I can do it again. I actually, I was thinking about like, oh yeah, you could do the thing where everyone chooses a timeline.  But even if they did, it would be so awkward because a lot of videos wouldn't be covered in the ways that you'd probably want them to be, as in like people would just have to leave randomly and people having to join who may not even care about the current video that's going on.  I'll probably end up doing it the same way I did it last time because it worked out really well somehow. I feel like Jebus was on my side. Jesus is always on your side. I don't know, Jebus. Even if you're not on his side. Jebus. Which kind of cheapens his dedication to you, I guess. I like him. If he's always on your side, no matter what. I support Jebus on Patreon. Don't worry, Jesus loves you. Jebus. Jebus. Are you an executive at Electronic Arts? Don't worry. Jesus loves you. I was like, well at that point, what value does that love have? Zero. That's all right. Well, if the person who loves you has the power to put you in heaven or hell, it's still pretty valuable. True. Actually, well, if you get there through belief and belief isn't a choice, then it's not even like, it's all, you see here's the thing.  I agree.  They're not real, right? Yeah. Thank goodness Islam is the one true religion and Muhammad is the one true prophet. Nah, I'm gunning for Mormonism. I reckon they've nailed it. This message of theology is brought to you by your friends at every frame of pause. We haven't even paused once this episode and we're already at 12 minutes. Yeah, what are we going to do? What's the plan? What's the plan? I still have things to ramble for hours. So many things. All right. It would be like it was cool that we made it to 50 episodes with a podcast that was like made and it was great. Yeah. I like the podcast is so known with this name and the name was created by and voted on by the community as well. Like how cool is that? That's okay. Yeah. I still remember. I still remember the day when we didn't even have a name. There are many options. One of the options was video response theory and I was like, man, I like that one. And what I didn't realize at the time was that that's such a specific meme that once you lose the origin of the meme, it almost becomes like just a shitty podcast name. EFAP has become the meme. We've gone full circle. Yeah. EFAP just super works because people are like, what does that stab for? Every frame of pause after they've complained. Oh, yeah. EFAP did, you know. And then people say that you've been EFAPed to people. It's like, what does that mean? Ew. I've been EFAPed. It means a man on the internet anonymously masturbated to a picture of you. Anonymously. You've been EFAPed. Noice. So yeah, overall thing was just like thanks to everybody. That was what was supposed to be on the end of episode 50, but it got cut off. And I just super appreciate all of the fanarous and like the art memes, the passion and the discussion. Every episode has a whole bunch of discussion going on in the comments section.   You can't criticize people on the internet. I don't see how that's going to be implemented at all and I don't know how anybody would actually be okay with that like no matter your policy or politics I wouldn't criticize Nazis.  I wonder if EFAP counts as being evil. We are very evil. That's what the EFAP stands for. Evil frames of politics. No, no, no evil friends and patrons. No, there is no pie here. There is pizza pie. Evil friends and pizza. Evil friends and pizza pie. Well, no, that's EFAP with two P's. This is EFAP with one P. Not if it's hyphenated. Why would you hyphenate that? Why wouldn't you? To make the acronym. There's loads of people in chat saying play AKBAR's theme. Play AKBAR's theme. People have been speculating they're genuinely concerned is this the beginning of season 4 or 5 and it's like guys obviously the beginning of season 4 and season 3 was nice and long. What is the difference between a hyphen and a dash?  I agree. Surely there's a difference between the two, right? No, they're the same key. They're the same character. They're the same key. Yeah, well the M and the W are the same key. They're just flipped upside down. No, they're different keys. You put your fingers in different places to press them. No, they're not. It's the same thing. They're not just flipped upside down. The M is straight. The W is spread out a little bit. No, not on this keyboard. Well, you have a bad keyboard. Well, my keyboard with the W has a nice up arrow on it because I'm an epic gamer. Oh yeah, same for me. I'm an epic gamer too. I have buttons on my epic gamer keyboard that change the lighting of WASD specifically. And then you could change the lighting of all the other keys that aren't WASD. You're not special. I have the same keyboard. You forget where they are. I didn't say I was special. I am special just not specifically for this reason.  How many chromosomes do you have?  That was before we went live. They're not going to know the context. Rags performed a lovely solo for us. It was magical.  I saw a frustrated comment. So I said when we were covering Jim Stirling we got into talking about consoles versus PC at one point. And I made the very controversial statement that I kind of hate consoles because of how much they've held PC back or at least PC gaming.  That's like saying sports cars hold back casual cars. So what I mean when I say that consoles have held back PC gaming is that when you're designing or developing a game and you build it for PC alone, you'll be able to use all of PC's components to the best of your ability. When you make a game that's going to be across the market, making it for PC and then porting it to consoles is extremely complex, difficult and probably impossible for certain games. However, if you build it for console and then port it for PC it's much easier because PC pretty much guarantees it'll be able to run it. PC already outclasses whatever the console is going to be able to do anyway so it's just a matter of optimization at that point.  Mauler, before you continue, just to remind me what was the point you're trying to make? People were upset that I said that I was pissed at consoles for like existing in the first place because how much they held back PC when it comes to games. Yeah, we have had confirmation from developers from like Dyson and places like that that yeah, of course, I mean even when you think about it even if you take all that aside think about if you have to build a game that has to run an extremely capable system that's very customizable to the user's desires but also you have to also build that game so that the specifications of some shitty already outdated when it releases game box can handle it as well and you're obviously going to have to build things so that the lowest common denominator can run it. Also I'm very, I have like a rudimentary understanding of all of it anyway and even I know that this is like true facts you know, hashtag true facts hashtag objective opinion hashtag true facts If someone I could bring on someone who knows a lot more about this they'd probably be able to argue in detail how much consoles kind of fucked things up in terms of slowing everything down but hey, it's not like I didn't own and play a console so I'm not saying that I didn't you know engage with them too I'm just saying Just ask yourself this question, if you had if the consoles that we had today were three times as powerful as they are now would games run differently and would games be different? The question is obviously yes they would There you go, there's the answer to your question Also, not to mention stuff like just guys, Bloodborne running at 30 FPS at its best and 20 a lot of times, it's like come on and imagine they had built Bloodborne from the ground up for PC Hoah A game that runs at 60 for me is like low and frustrating But yeah, hopefully that explains that The other thing about the Jim Stirling stuff which I think you guys will find more interesting I don't know if you saw the coverage rags but I prefer uncoverage Jay was there and Alex and who was the fourth person for me? Yes So Jay's the only person who would probably know what I'm referencing but yeah, basically one of the arguments being that um blind people, people with harder abilities to see disabled people are not going to be able to join this market this wonderful market So it's doomed to fail Someone on Twitter Mark the Cyborg who I believe has commented and super-chatted before sent me a tweet Mark the Cyborg sent you a tweet Let's check it out We'll finally know why he's called Mark the Cyborg but he says Sorry I'm listening to part 1 on Moola now and fun fact about my Cyborg journey I bought a Vive specifically because I lost a leg and wanted to train my prosthetic playing games like Robo Recall worked quite well and now I can pass a military fitness test So we have an example You know what's interesting about losing your leg is that now you have another leg that's a replacement that's oddly enough easier to lose than your first leg Like you could actually misplace your new leg I see what you mean So if you can't keep track of your first leg then I don't know how people manage to keep track of their second leg which is way easier to lose Just put it on a leash Obviously I just thought it was interesting to highlight the fact that there are people out there who not only is Jim ignoring people who can just play VR weather or not they don't have legs because there's a lot of VR games that don't require you to move but also people who have lost lives use it to their benefit because it offers something that non VR games don't Also imagine you wanted to hide something well now you can hide things inside of your fake leg drugs bare nuts maybe some loose change hidden weapons you can take it off and beat people with it it's really a lot more multi purpose than your original leg is I'm just imagining Jim Sterling now seeing a wheelchair and going wow this really hasn't considered disabled at all what about people with no arms they can't use this what about people with no asses they're supposed to sit on it huh you think Jim Sterling thinks about people with no asses I don't know I don't think he does this I don't think much I feel like people with no asses have got bigger worries Also I can't remember if we talked about this before but surely by now Rags you would have had your monthly thrust let me check actually I think that's a good point I should have gone through by now for context Rags became a patron of tonal bloke and he chose the tier that provides him a monthly thrust and I believe that was a news update or some kind of something let me see tone loke okay it's not downward do you think he is aware that the name monthly thrust is funny I wonder if he wrote it he was like that sounds cool yes tone alright well on August the 23rd there was an audio log update cool he covered the topics of state of the channel which he's never covered before my life outside youtube wow classic update oh no I think he's referring I read that incorrectly oh wow classic yes this is the wow which is a abbreviation for world of warcraft classic update oh he covers gaming addiction and he covers state of the industry in 2019 so that's not the monthly thrust that's true there is however a comment on this post that says if that wasn't the best goddamn audio vlog I ever heard and then it goes on and on and on they loved the audio log huh they really liked it now on June 17th now we got from August there was a patreon vlog number 3 I feel as if I feel as if I might be I might be bamboozled bamboozled great tonal has tricked you legendary level 3 patron $5 or more per month your name in my videos and I get I want to see your name in one of his videos yeah that's why I had it I want that there the monthly thrust a once a month article written by tonelok and delivered to the patreon typically will be related to the gaming industry I guess that's just the audio log because it says an article written by tonelok maybe he wrote and then recorded it maybe hmm I don't know I feel as if I might this is why my patreon it's just like if you just want to support me give me stuff there's not like rewards for it really yeah I can get confused I don't want to promise thing pay me one dollar and you can be part of my discourse fuck off I'm pretty sure wait rags don't you have that no I don't oh okay good for a second that's all quick I would have still bought it I would say however that I would say that my discord is worth the admission fee even there even though there isn't one it would be worth one so obviously it is a high quality discord I believe and according to scorn rags apparently fake limbs do get checked for drugs oh yeah you wouldn't be able to hide for long in there no matter how many no no no no no no that is incorrect mauler no jay the idea why would you do what a terrible alternative that isn't necessary the idea that you wouldn't be able to hide them right because how often does your fake leg get checked for drugs if you have a fake leg I don't know I would I would wager extremely rarely and you would probably know if it was coming right you walk into maybe a courtroom or a plane I don't know something official like that you know something with a security checkpoint you wouldn't just be living out your normal daily life and randomly be stopped to see if your fake leg had drugs in it you wouldn't need to hide it in a fake leg at that point then would you no no no no no that's incorrect I will you get stopped by random people they search your bags no absolutely not you are not going to walk down the street brandishing drug paraphernalia in the open right but you would even putting something in your pocket can be hiding it putting something in your fake leg would be hiding it too no one's just going to randomly stop you and check for drugs that was our point right just put it in your pocket you could if you wanted to yeah if you wanted to yeah so what's the problem the problem is that you suggested hiding it in the leg when we could just hide it anyway and then if you could you could hide it in your leg because no no no no this all started because someone said you wouldn't be able to hide it there because you'd be constantly checked it's like no nobody said anything about constantly checked you said you'd get checked all the time nope I write out that you get checked and it ended with probable cause the only reason they said that is because you already suggested hiding stuff in your leg no no I said it ended I never got a chance to read out the probable cause part you never said probable cause I never had a chance to I was interrupted so I was correct no I mean if you don't believe it it's not tiring to always be correct it is tiring to always constantly have to prove it to everyone you said constantly searched I never said that word so it's not even in there constantly erect constantly erect which is something that you would have to hide in your fake leg we all go through that your erection is so big that you have to stuff it down your leg and curl it into the inside of your fake leg oh they cover that and super bad you can just let it scroll up and just get trousers to sort of just you know when you guys have seen it like loop it around like have it hanging like a kill boss just make a bell out of it what I'm saying snap CJ's in the chat hello CJ how would you do I was asked the other day which is the worst video we covered on eFab we get asked this a lot we usually say the jack same video and I was thinking the fan wants to make one of those crazy tier listing things and you have like all the people we've covered on eFab that could be pretty cool to actually tier them just for memes that would take a while but it would be fun because we would have like we would actually try and rate them we'd be like yeah well they do this I think we could probably we would probably have a good top five we would have to do two separate ones though because like we'd have to do like like meme potential video making ability or something like that because tonal does like top tier while simultaneously being bombed here especially because I'm not getting my patreon reward I will email tonal bloke and say where is my monthly thrust my monthly thrust I'll have to unironically ask the stranger on the internet for my monthly thrust I'm so sorry that you've been brought that low like that's that's fucked up everyone should be getting their monthly thrusts that they're owed down low um oh yeah so okay so you guys are gonna love this so during the 50th stream I'm get I can't I don't know who who like did the job of finding it out and sending sending people over but hello Greta was streaming while we were covering one of his videos oh I remember that and um southpaw, blessed southpaw did a compilation of just highlights from people visiting his stream and uh this is this is quite the funny if um if y'all want to jump into the watch together I am very excited as should everybody be this shit is gold give me a sec oh my god this is ephapception love it okay here we go I just want to point out that hello Greta was streaming on minecraft right now leave him alone he was coming into his let him build in peace guys people are going into his chat I'm reading them there's a guy saying they hate bloggers honestly not only would he be welcome to come on we would treat him very civilly absolutely slice and dice brothers what the fuck is all this is there a podcast oh my goodness does he play his games what's the point of the face cam if you're wearing a helmet that is a very good question also that's a legitimate question unless the visors are like almost clear on his head oh yeah because it'll mess the color up because you're looking through a dark lens so sitting at your desk face cam so people can see my face but I don't want people to see my face so I'm going to put something over it maybe you can get a face rig or something like that it's purple lights but he's got his room right there what's the point oh yeah he has a fisheye lens why I don't know maybe he's just got a really weirdly curvy room maybe he's incompetent and he bought a camera with a fisheye lens he didn't realize like the base of the store it's like this is a fisheye lens he's like it's a good lens no no no fisheye lens alternate hypothesis he is so dense that everything in the room is curling and he's sat in that chair for so long it has just created this warped visual effect of everything bending inwards when you said dense people were going to assume it was an insult but no you went the scientific route and I'm proud of you yes all I'm trying to say is that I think that Hello Greedo has a density that is rivaled only by the bottom third of the periodic table Christo04002283 just says join eFab and Rhino and then Milk out of context what the fuck are you supposed to think of this because they would be thinking there's not an R or an M in eFab so I don't understand what it could possibly stand for yeah if you didn't know what eFab was as well it was like join the fab join the eFab, join Rhino what the fucking play Minecraft right now do people who are dense get to vote twice yes don't confuse me with density GreedoMask who's in the garage may the dawn bless you may the dawn bless you may the dawn bless you where are the mods dude my mods are cool as shit if somebody's not saying something horribly nasty or spamming the same shit over and over again it's you're free to say whatever seriously they're genuinely interested in talking let me scroll it genuinely interested in talking with I would like to point out that somebody in his video game has said that real men drink corona with lime alright yes I'd like to point out that tie fighter is asymmetrical I would like well one two three four one two three four it is well it is asymmetrical yeah they fucked up it's got the line on one side but not on the other side yeah I'm counting the blocks on one side of the corner yeah they fucked up not even the number of blocks it's literally like one has a horizontal line of stone and the other side doesn't J I won't expect a J on Minecraft to be like you fucked it up fucked it up EFAP has come to the point where we're critiquing people's Minecraft spaceships this is peak EFAP right there however I feel like a Minecraft aficionado myself who I consider myself an expert in landscaping mostly that this is an architectural blunder of the highest degree I would have abandoned this project eons ago well not before burning it to the ground surely stone doesn't burn like all you can do yeah rocks burn yeah rocks burn I'd say man like that sounds like you just gave up nether rack burns yeah well that's not stone it's sort of is yeah nether rack is definitely a type of stone it's definitely a type of stone yeah but this is stone specifically there's no stone in this image there's no stone in this image that is cobblestone no that's not cobblestone that's andesite breaking news why would you use andesite not polished andesite though if you're using it for construction purposes this is creative andesite has polished andesite has like edges on it so it will look like you'll like divide up the different blocks and that's not what you want you're like a nice flow of the same texture I think this looks better I don't think so right I challenge you to a Minecraft type to build off well for starters my wings will match guys I have breaking news what not that important but still really funny so um do you remember way back when uh rags when we had that guy on who um who said there's only one definition for woods oh yes the x guy that was hilarious he was yeah he was he was a he was a he was good sport and um as far as I'm aware he considered his time on ephab to be fun it was great however you you know good old mr just right yes he uh he apparently knows dx um and so when he heard that dx was was considering coming on to ephab to talk to us about his video he was at the time yes uh just right put out a tweet now that tweet went away very quickly and nobody managed to snap it but someone looked in their history and they were able to see this this is from theo by the way um and it's been passed along to theo from someone else but I find this theo was on ephab theo was on ephab indeed but look at that that you can go to a don't do it oh just right you're such a just right you're such a little bitch I know you're such a little don't talk to them who knows what they'll do you're such a you you spineless jelly-legged cowardly yellow-bellied little bitch what a what a what a disgrace for masculinity that you are what an absolute joke of a person you are just right you should be a shame if I was you I would just be ashamed of myself to think that I was that cowardly and my take is just like really just right our conversation was pretty civil it's just that you had no preparation for your own ideas about art analysis and you fucked up several times and because of that what we're persona non grata now that's cool you're as I I won't is like after I got my ass stomped by wolf and moller and a discussion about the last Jedi where I verbally outwardly spoke a sentence and phrase that undermined the entire point of my channel and all that I do and now I have to go on a crusade and make sure that other people don't have discussions with the people you fucking deleted it quickly after it just to clarify I feel this is kind of important not not totally but kind of was this before or after wolf yelled that just right was a faggot I mean I don't know what are you referencing is that was that on a podcast or is that yeah when when you guys covered his objectivity video oh that what yeah this would have been after that yeah oh wolf called me a faggot I can't talk to him I mean anything that proves my point there's like there's degrees right and I feel like that takes it down one I don't really like everyone has different values when it comes to that whole thing if someone's like you've crossed the line I can never speak to you ever again then but wolf was perfectly friendly to him in in the two hours that they talked to each other as far as was it an hour and a half something like that that's the thing it's like you know like just the fact that he was like clearly kind of like pissed off that oh wait Sao Paul just said before I might have been wrong on this because oh yeah we covered the DX video first was that the same podcast well I'm gonna have to check my history now if a good question there was 48 the wolf said that when did we meet and cover DX was it 48 was it 47 I think it's from my mind it's 47 but I'm not super sure EFAP 47 yeah we definitely covered just right video in that one and then when did DX come in who was who was also here when we when we talked to DX um myself Mahler Theo think chat says 47 as well oh yeah so we talked to him at the beginning of it um and then just right was called a massive in the later portion so yeah it was before that wait hang on um no carry on well I mean so that means the degree is brought back up by one right okay but yes yes yeah right now we've already established what he is it's just a matter of degrees of intensity cowardly as fuck but okay just right don't want your opinions challenged go for it of course because no opinion can be wrong right so no no judgment can be made in a faulty manner raja said homosexuality will always be a mental disorder um anyway back on with see hello gritos a little more fun than just right um he has an aloofness to him that does make him more entertaining I mean this video is pretty fun yeah you're free to say whatever seriously they're genuinely interested in talk let me shit it's going too fast let me scroll up genuinely interested in talking with you they're streaming right now any interest they'll be on for the next few hours so it doesn't have to be jaguars play literally in 15 minutes that's why I started this stream when I did so I could uh get off and play or watch the jaguars play some football um but yeah I mean maybe in the future I don't know what the fuck it's great obviously they got a lot of listeners if they're just continue you can hear like the music in the back like that the typical minecraft music in the back that hey it's it's just like man he checks all the boxes streaming with the mask on music in the background yeah and the uh the ui well I say you are you know the the presentation is he's got always ticked all the twitch boxes very familiar side for me the uh the tie fighter isn't joined to its dish in the center it's joined too low that is correct it is not that you know sort of like that could really just drive someone insane I would have given up I would you know you can go there's like online there's online like graph paper that you can just tick the boxes on and double check and you can look at a you could draw it out on paper and then recreate it in the actual minecraft to make sure that you know it's all there put the fucking thing in the middle like you can plan ahead to do this stuff and you can also you know you can recognize the failure and then start to rebuild on top of it and chip away at the old mistakes you know but it looks like he's just given up and been like ask him well look oh look we're not it's just like we're being critical of his tie fighter yes we're being critical of your fire also aren't tie fighter wings are they're not like they're not um symmetrical in the sense that they're equal circles they're like dishes they're they're taller than they are wide that depends it depends on the um maybe this is a model we don't know about maybe it's an EU model i don't know yeah i'm pretty sure tie fighters are supposed to be square on the wings right not supposed to be rounded they're octagons no they're not they're hexagons and then the tie interceptors are the fucking cool looking ones well normal tie fighters are octagon they do have octagon wings no they're hexagon wings no you could you can you can even look here and you can count the eight sides yeah but that's not a normal tie fighter google tie fighter and you'll see that they have six sides on each of the wings i thought it was four i must be imagining shit well this is a regular tie fighter one two three oh you're right yeah it is it is yeah he did fuck up so the tie the tie bombers are octagonal the might be a that might be a different kind of tie fighter that's just not i suppose it's tough kind because there's so many well there yeah the the tie fighters are hexagons the tie bombers are octagons the tie interceptors are let me take it out which ones are octagons the tie bombers well well Darth Vader's tie fighters octagonal yeah i think the bombers are too i think you're right i think the bombers are as well they just have a second like pod that's not that's clearly not what he's built though that looks way different what is advanced i oh that's a fan mate so let me look at it right we're discussing all this way like you know recently mentioning just right it was like people don't even know what a Y-Wing is alright so the target interceptors would be octagonal except they have the cut out sections in the front that give them the points so really they're one two three four five six seven eight nine ten so they would have ten so they're but yeah i'm assuming this is supposed to be a tie fighter and he i don't know why he didn't check but he made it octagonal instead of maybe he's just having fun what what is i'm sorry what is that can you define fun i don't understand that way fun is not allowed we're e-fap yeah fun so to recap tie fighters are hexagonal tie bombers and vaders tie fighter are octagonal tie interceptors are decagonal decagonal ten decided shape no don't look it up it tends a decagon so decagonal alright what about the tie what about the tie defender someone in chat wants me to ask you that tie defender a tie defender i like to think that at least 60 percent of chat are actually invested in this oh that's ten defender let's go tie defender i just looked at like 35 fighters none of them look like this so there you go these are decagonal as well these are also decagonal wings they just have an extra wing coming off the top and it looks retarded it looks a bit yeah it looks a bit dumb i mean it adds to it looks like it adds two cannons which percent twice is a pretty hefty increase in fire now and i assume well i don't know it just seems cumbersome it's almost like a meme looking tie fighter um i don't know i found this though i think this is funny it's that's the tie molar right yeah people want me to acknowledge the tie molar what the fuck is that hang on do those like little wings the things that make it fly why those those aren't wings that provide lift tie stands for twin ion engine idiot so i believe i don't think that those are actually do you remember rags durable and no it makes it makes sense that you think they're wings and i mean you look at that and is like yeah it's clear oh i found like an image of all of the different ties rags remember red let me do when mike asks if rich knows what i stands for when he says twin ion engine he's like fuck it i just remember i just know it i'm really i'm really good at that sort of thing i guess any of these look like hello gritos that gets to the bottom of this that's what i said like god that image is horrible why did you it looks like he's trying to do a tie fighter because the wings are straight maybe it's pretty clear that he's doing that we're trying to help it we're like maybe it was this one war there's one with one wing in the middle and two cockpits on either side yeah one as well that's insane why not at this point that's like a sandwich where the meat is on the outside you pick up the piece of bread both the meats fall off you're like i don't know why i did this it's a bad idea if the ion engines i assume like the little panels those are the bits that are twin right this is a bad image there's no time all are in there i think the ion engines are part of the interior cockpit because the whole point of the twin ion engines is that they allow propulsion with it to in any direction i disagree not like thrusters per se yeah but aren't those surely those surely that's why they have those wide bits out there what else were they before i don't know it's i'm not sure but then you know the one with only you know the one with the three that still gets to be called a tie fighter because you know just try ion engines right you know so i don't i don't know if those reach um and then that's a tie fighter no it is i've decided and then the one with only one the managers decide i fight it because it's it's only got one so it has to just be an i fighter an ion engine fighter i fight being an ion engine yeah it makes sense it was important that we went through this obviously oh my god i found one with red wings i think no i haven't i haven't i saw the one with red wings red wings yeah red wings that's crazy was red wings the name of that george lucas film or i think it's something else i want to get like a oh yeah here's a cross section so red tail it looks like so it looks like the wings is basically the wings are solar arrays um energy collectors heat exchange matrices um and energy accumulator lines that all made sense to me they look really silly without the wings they'd just be like little balls going ooh let's see how it is because i because i from bot let me look at a tie fighter rear view they're a mining guild tie fighter it's a yellow mining guild tie fighters yeah anyway am i good at first play on this video no we have to talk about tie fighters yeah i'm super invesant now but i don't see the toxic brood assault hello grido shut the fuck up moner is you're actually looking for something or should i just press play i'm not really looking for anything at all no right i don't know what the fuck obviously they got a lot of listeners if they're just continuously draining their asshole into this chat right now draining their asshole we didn't even like said people we just said leave them alone we carried them we didn't tell them to go anywhere but we drained our asshole i've never heard someone explain that draining their asshole he's calling our audience shit no he's calling the thing they're doing shit no he said we are draining our asshole we're draining our assholes because our chat is going over there he is indirectly calling our audience shit when our audience is probably the best audience that's ever been yeah i was gonna say best audience on youtube it's like wow according to shit or just asking who's shit are you friends with him does he often give you recommendations let's assume that shit was male i never did why would you ever imply that shit could not be male shit can be whatever they want to be they they well i don't think this has been established how could you say something so horrible i'm very practiced much fun analog teak thank you for the super chat shem sport don bless praise be to tunnel what is this shit tunnel i know is that is that a suppository that you stick up your asshole or is that suppository it's weird that he'd go there first that's all i'm saying why does he have a fascinate well i mean i do too but why does he have a fascination with asshole he probably he probably doesn't even lick him i was gonna say does he even take off the mask i don't know that's a suppository going into the rhinos asshole everyone who disagrees with grito is a troll apparently it's pretty obvious that you guys have never been on these streams and maybe don't really know the vibe of this channel but that is no you don't know the stream look at those two of the minecrafters looking depressingly on this mouthful we're being healthier against our will oh my god i've noticed another asymmetry no stop which one look at the diagonal lines on the diagonal line to the top left they handed a different place on each side that's quite the eyesore actually one of them has got ends in between the little diagonal lines and one of them ends on it so one of them has got a little clump of three blocks all together and one of them is not if the emperor saw this he'd be pissed it's odd that a channel that devotes itself pretty much entirely to star wars would fuck up a tie fighter so much well it's minecraft though does he do anything about minecraft on this channel you don't have to do anything about minecraft i was gonna say it's not exactly rocky science to understand binary colors each wing maybe each of them built one of them and now why would they do it that way however i still i still feel as if this is hello grado stream which does make him the director and it does it is kind of his responsibility the buck stops with everything is his fault and he should be responsible including his chat all eventually does fall onto him yes the furthest thing from the truth ever but hey enjoy it guys spin whatever you want to spin what in the flying fuck i appreciate the super chats you silly gooses if i ever do the what is it e-fap i'm gonna have to talk to them about all the silly rhinos and anime characters anime characters what the fuck what is he talking about he sees rhino milk and he's like that's so anime reminds me of a rhino milk anime the dawn is anime totaled totaled that invade live streams we even literally haven't said anything bad to him they haven't they haven't said anything bad about you at all actually i've seen this before and i know he doesn't take offense to it so no i know but referring to it is the invasion he said invade he said the word invade that was an answer channel sport i greatly appreciate that hello grado are you a massive be honest i don't know what the fuck he reads them he reads them with this such a lack of enthusiasm and passion i don't know what the fuck a massive is i look free to are you a massive feel old a massive urban dictionary a minecraft with a fucking stormtrooper helmet on yeah so he's checking urban dictionary for the definition of massive people collective Jamaican origin you think i'm Jamaican that's my favorite what no but i appreciate the super chat and channel support this afternoon or this evening man important to note that the chat has told him that the 24 hour e-fap will be continuing after the Jaguar game so just saying that is not an excuse is that really what that means no why the hell do you think it means you're a Jamaican absolutely is what yes that is definitely what we mean that you are Jamaican Jamaican meet mad hello greeter i'm sorry that can't be what that means a massive somebody translate here he means fat no i'm about i've been 95 pounds i'm good i'm alright i'm glad to clarify that eric stewart thank you for the super chat channel support don media well like okay look at the crash chip there that's nicely built is it hang on is this the og battlefront map yes this is the og battlefront map i'm pretty sure that there's a hell of a lot of things from it if they were trying to but like it's clearly not done right why would there be a giant high fighter randomly yeah and also there's an ATST yeah what the fuck jay they had ATSTs on that also i can't hear can't hear me no there was one behind the little behind the big arena there was an ATST was it usable oh wait sorry i'm mixing that up i'm talking about the battlefront vision not his vision the original star was battlefront we don't want more sizely right or use almost anything else more sizely in the first battlefront it had one ATST not in that place that one actually is but you could drive it there if you wanted to and then it had a crash chip next to a big like round building which is why i'm thinking it's that map because that that crash chip looks exactly like maybe it's in progress yeah i mean i assume it's not why a giant high fighter though that's yeah i'm not sure about it well i don't i don't remember an ATST on more sizely i swear it was an ATST now you might be thinking of duncey no not duncey because behind the big coliseum there was there was definitely a big vehicle that you could use i'm fairly confident it was an ATST but it might have been if that was a rebel command post it could have been something else i don't know the maps from battlefront one as well as i do too i don't know i can't i can't quite remember but i don't i don't recall one oh my god i searched more sizely still as battlefront and all i'm getting is the new shit oh no i'm so sorry he's gonna boot up my xbox now wait really i i can't i cannot remember um star wars battle surely chat can let us know surely there's people in chat who remember i have been i have been having a look i haven't seen any definitive answers so i can see the vehicle spawn so there's definitely a vehicle spawn in the place that i know it is but would it but would it spawn an ATST because i would be the vehicle i would say that you could have a tank i think there was a tank on the level like um like the club like the um the separatist had their yes i found it i found it i found it um on the wiki it says the map vehicles star wars battlefront only clone was a at galactic civil war at st okay that's weird how come i don't remember it that's odd did you play mostly number one or number two i'll tell you pfp rags well thank you also hi desk bullshit how do you do we've got we've got a whole selection of regulars on this one how wonderful i'm sorry chat we had no choice we had to bring in these people they just they paid to be he had a choice i voted against it i needed attention please rags voted for it to just be himself and i was like maybe maybe it was a great stream could have been a magical stream we're currently watching hello grito deal with massives massives everywhere he means fat no i'm about 195 pounds and almost 62 i'm good i'm alright eric steward thank you for the super chat and channel support don media blessed be the cosmic chicken why are why are people so fucking weird how dare you why are people so fucking weird said the guy live streaming with a webcam his minecraft world while wearing a storm trooper helmet in his white pinkly lit room i mean everyone has their own thing their own style yeah yeah and that's weird the cosmic chicken and he has pink room he has some bullshit what's a good rap though but i just i just feel like live streaming minecraft wearing a storm trooper helmet does sort of put you in the category of maybe before you call other people weird for giving you money maybe maybe be like yeah i am doing all this weird or is it just strange like how far into the into the bizarre are we um it's just a weird why what's the difference between strange and weird i figured you would know that you know it's like degrees of bizarro right like which is more unusual strange or weird chat someone help me i don't know in terms of deviation from normalcy weird is weird weird or strange weird is more weird than strange i'm saying weird i'm saying weird yeah strange is almost like okay weird is like confirmed to be strange i'd say weird is more vulgar so if you had for instance if you were a united states air force official and you were writing up a document to submit to the pentagon about a a not an identified flying object citing you would call it strange before you would call it weird exactly i feel like that is an apt hypothetical that we're both odd odd that's the opposite of even i would say strange before odd yeah however i would rank odd better than weird mm-hmm like if you were at a if you were at a party and there was a if there was someone who was unusual right you would go to your friend and you'd say that's an odd that's an odd character before you'd say that's a weird dude no i think i'd say weird first well yeah that's because you're vulgar that's because you don't know anything about class and you don't know anything about the proper decorum in those kinds of situations about like peculiar peculiar would be an excellent way to phrase it absolutely peculiar would be fantastic i'm very much favor of the word peculiar i would even say queer abnormal abnormal i wouldn't say abnormal abnormal generally has the connotation that has like maybe almost like a medical connotation like unusual doesn't like abnormal has a different implication to unusual i feel irregular atypical for instance being gay is abnormal it's true define define normal well at that point i'm assuming means most common is normal a normal is normal a synonym with common or conspicuous maybe you could say conspicuous with is normal just within the realms of like something that you might encounter and like not not be like hmm this is unusual i suppose you could probably define it in multiple ways right and unusual would be a deviation from typical if you meet if you meet a gay person you're gonna be like what the fuck would you say what the fuck to everything this abnormal okay so what degree is it like yeah sure like if if uh because if something is like really abnormal in a way that's like noteworthy being gay isn't like so unusual that you're like you're actually gonna make a deal out of it it's not like whoa you're gay whoa really you don't point to them and say you're abnormal no i don't i've only done that like three times i don't typically use the term normal i use the term average but i don't know what the antithesis is well i feel like average is more like it's like a mean number no average and mean are different mathematically yeah you could quantify average no are they the same shit no i i think average is more of a mathematical connotation to it the mean i think is the most common value and the average is if you add them all by the number of values you have i think it's a whole set of names for that too right like let me see i think the median is the median is the halfway point between your highest and lowest value mean is average to median is the middle well mean is the average number median is the middle value of all the ones that you have and the mode is the value that occurs the most times i remember being taught this i've forgotten all of it though yeah that's because you never use this in your daily life like ever we just did we just did yeah we did it only took us and you might say you might say it was abnormal in which we used it we didn't talk we didn't use it we just talked about it well because both mean and average refer to the sum of all the values using by the rags just use the knowledge of it to regurgitate sad knowledge to us we didn't yeah it's almost like it's almost like if you had a rule that said you couldn't talk about the rules so fast right now this is this is some shit that people probably want well they probably went a way in on it stopped i think it was just loading slowly for me and then went because it was like it was it was crazy it was insane it was like a it's like a sea of chat so anyway back to the guy streaming in her hello grito every time we cover hello grito we go on long ass tangents about everything else because of how insanely uninteresting he is and it's not our fault it's not our fault that would be victim blaming really you're welcome to come on e-fap whatever you want hello grito yes but we what would have it would be it would be it would be embarrassing of us as guests if you have to focus and we had these strange tangents while he was here and we actually forgot that he was a part of just imagine like come on man what's with this type idea come on well no uh zack gilbert thank you for the super chat channel support e-fap means bro what i like it's a very real laugh he could say you can tell he's like oh sure i'm supposed to react to this he's about to say the thing bathwater this is the most internet as that's that's a descriptive this is the most internet this chat has ever been really wow he needs a tame existence and i'm kidding i thought friends were just watching him apparently the e-fap audience is very internet the field is a very internet a very internet this is indeed on the internet i want a newspaper get ready get set we're going on hell is this chat you and me both kory praise the cosmic chicken praise the dawn toxic brood thumbs up yeah i'm so lost too like the chat wasn't there and this just infected his mind and this is like the e-fap disease he thinks about this that night like cosmic chicken as he's sleeping with his helmet he's praising the dawn flee from goliath what can goliath do for you ask not what goliath can do for you ask what you can do for goliath it is that's the perfect way to describe it this is the most internet this chat has ever been huh will somebody like no shit will somebody explain to me the rhino milk thing i'm super curious how does one explain that it's really the quickest you can go is it to me well hold up why don't we have jay explain rhino milk to all of us it's delicious you described it in a way so there was a day when i wanted to destroy moorla with facts and logic and so i did that by uh saying that you know obviously the reason they have rhinos and wakanda is for their milk and for their ivory and that meat that's the holy trinity of an animal is milk ivory meat if you'd explain this much so far i'd agree it would be like hey he wouldn't understand but he would just want you to continue to get it over with and then the rhino milk grew into what it is now by being repeated and every time it was repeated it became more powerful as is power of an ifa meat and until the point where it reaches critical mass and starts dying off we're still waiting for that rhino milk is not dying off for some reason it's still in here rhino milk peaked a while ago whenever anything happened on the stream people would just be like thing milk and that doesn't happen anymore i think that rhino milk got some staying power i just see like when people when we were talking about religion earlier we were seeing christian milk in the chat christian milk when totald said the uh but at the end of the rainbow people posing rainbow milk don't forget the spider milk the apex homo milk the smaller memes do you drop off though oh yeah but you know smaller memes just they cannot compete with the big memes it's a doggy dog world out there and meme land think of it as like agario that game it's like all little circles like they're all memes and rhino milk is like one of the biggest memes there and it's just eating the smaller memes i like that you needed to use agario for that yeah it's a it's a harsh world like rick said it's it's really harsh some some memes we can't even reference the ones that have been eaten because we've forgotten them should you like a an efap games of dot io game an efap like yes yes whatever you just said it's really welcome to try again that makes sense yeah yeah yeah just do an efap games of dot io games like agario this music the background is fucking killing me by the way i know it's terrible it's just like everything on screen for me it's like there's like one two three four windows on the right then you have like four things on the bottom like instagram twitch stay on target why? stay on target stay on target hello grito my stream is like the complete opposite my webcam that's it hello grito appears one two three four five times not including himself that is four links at the bottom and then in case it hadn't sunk in yet a red hello grito that looks like a space for something though does something appear there i know maybe whenever he arrives it says hello grito hello hello grito hello hello loosen up no i'm going to grab alcohol because i feel it i mean do we all have access to such oh well mel's working tomorrow also i drank all day last night all day last night yeah i just realized how stupid i was and i hope no one would notice i'm gonna grab that shit well we're not live don't worry oh great there's just like a glitch all these random things getting posted into my chat like this is weird emoji glitch post like rhino milk i don't know what the fuck that is what are those two bozos doing oh they're both muted wow i don't know having the sexy milk break dragon someone burst into each of their rooms saying how dare you go on that nazi podcast and start slapping them metal drinking what else is new i'm actually not drinking right now i read what the reddit said about you nazis who don't like some movies and like some we like some art but not some other art there's people out there that if they were given the choice to kill the like one person on this earth they would be like can it be two can it be rags and mohler they've destroyed everything can i just kill them halfway each it's like you could erase one piece of media from the world in order to make it a better place and they're like e-fab as a whole it's like ah would it be mohler's channel rags channel e-fab because that's the stressed out face about to press the button they're all so terrible they'll still spread their nazi influence no matter what i can't wait to be cancelled one day oh yeah it's gonna happen for all of us i'm looking forward to it episode nine is great and then my whole channel will just be filled with comments about being cancelled i'm like guys the character developer is cancelled cancelled that sounds like you're talking about something bad we were talking about your life the whole we were at the last chance i'm pretty bad you basically say that episode nine is really well written when it's not and then you get cancelled and we all try and defend you but it's too late and you're gone you leave the internet because everyone says you're cancelled don't tell vips how many Minecraft videos do you make jay? yeah jay what the fuck my latest Minecraft video has like all of the people have seen it how has the Minecraft community felt about your video? there are strongly mixed feelings there are strongly mixed feelings there are strongly mixed feelings a Minecraft youtuber I used to watch said that he didn't like it and i was like oh is it because your information is limited is that why jay? is it because a lot of you watched your video and they were like jay you didn't explain how to use the spreadsheet you just said to do it jay you suck did you play Minecraft? is that what this is about? he's a phony he's never actually played the game really? yep never played it you've never played Minecraft i told him today we'd be covering a video that mentions Minecraft so he needs to read up and that's why he was making all these weird comments i've never actually played Minecraft i have played Minecraft i've got like too many hours in that game i don't know i got it like when it was still in alpha alright not to brag i'm a fucking Minecraft veteranie i got the game before they had ladders i got the game when it was just a menu screen that was it i got the first update i remember was was the nether being added hang on when will ladders added i've never played it i'm sorry rags he's gonna call you out in a second alright that was fucking ages ago so my memory will be fuzzy but i remember having to i still remember my first world in my head and if you wanted to go down you'd have to build blocks you use blocks as a staircase fucking medieval ages i'm pretty sure ladders were added before the nether so so anyway hang on ladders were in the base game when it came out ladders were when i started there were no ladders fact checked ladders were that was before so did you play in dev that was before alpha that they were added let me see let me double check because i got it ages ago so let me check maybe it's possible that i didn't know ladders even existed but then someone said do you know about ladders and i took that as they added them i wish people knew about community because ladders were because i remember my first world and i didn't have ladders in it and that was way back in the day where animals would spawn ambiently due to light sources and things like that was the world infinite because ladders were added at the same time they added infinite world generator i remember if i had an infinite world or not i cannot remember i just remember that my world didn't have any ladders and i didn't think anything of it somebody's a phony probably mad i am accurately representing what i remember i'm just picturing you going through life going there were no ladders here but i don't know what a ladder is so that doesn't bother me i know what ladders were if that was the real world i know what ladders were if they've stopped being ladders they were once very valued in our society but then came the dark times only true 90s kids will remember ladders everyone uses their jet packs to get everywhere these days but ladders, that's where it was at black panther where i had stairs everywhere i didn't have any ladders i was more of a stag guy myself they covered a video defending a scene in black panther where they farmed rhinos arguing they could milk them i don't even remember rhinos in black panther how could you not remember the rhinos in black panther i was going to say they're in the climax the big rhino fight and they got all reincorporated in shit synth verity thank you so much for the super chat channel support man i greatly appreciate that holy shit rags you're one of the biggest minecraft veterans there is nice you guys should like i had a friend i had a friend who i only learned about it through word of mouth through a friend and i gave money to his dad so that he could use his credit card because i didn't have one in order to get minecraft so if this was 2010 it might have actually it might have been i know that i got i got minecraft and i can't remember what year it was it was so fucking long it would have been 2010 they were added into the game yeah in june seems like june 7th now it's possible that they existed i just didn't know they existed what a wonderful naive will to be in we don't know ladders or anything added in june 2010 yeah maybe but they changed my life forever when i discovered ladders i'm just imagining in the real life like you've been just been putting boxes on top of each other man i wish there was a better way to do it that's what my first world was there were no ladders you can just make staz in like a 2x2 area by doing like a spiral staircase probably what he did i you couldn't use a 2x2 because then by the time it loops they would hit itself because you need room 2x2 it does work no it didn't i'm playing my i'll do it i'll do it i'll do it well i because if you need two spaces because you'll need let's see let me make a i don't think you can do a 2x2 that's how i mine rags that's how i fucking mind why would you not use ladders because we need a phenomenon a name for this phenomenon 1 for j and 2 for rags okay well no i can do it right now i'm playing mine rags i didn't say the vote means anything i just want to see it when i'm here i'm gonna try and write so let's see if i can do a 2x2 you know vote 1 for 1 plus 1 equals 2 and 2 for 1 plus 1 equals 3 getting getting 1 1 1 2 1 2 yeah you can't do it i just tried it you can't do it i will show you right now i'm looking at it right now i just did it well you did it wrong no it's a 2x2 no now just to make sure because this is important we're talking about are we talking about blocks or stairs because at the time there were no stairs blocks yeah you can't do it with blocks again i'm looking at it right now i just made it you say you can't get back around on itself before you have achieved enough distance yeah it does i'm looking at it right now i will screenshot it to you you see i jumped off here's the thing i jumped off of it and in order to get back up to continue just to make sure i can't get up past the second block can i show my screen i can't even get past the first block how do i do that that's the easy way you need the motion do you yes it's important also my chrome is crashed which is fun there there's a screenshot of it with normal blocks you can't make a 2x2 right there's a screenshot right there for you respond to the screenshot jay i'm gonna respond with mine stop doing it this is so the green i'm just i'm drinking some alcohol now too like i can't walk down the stairs again because there's not enough space and there's a screenshot right there you can't do it jay respond to the screenshot i'm making it i'm making i'm making a functioning version of this thing no wait just look at his screenshot tell us what's wrong with it though i will you could take off the bottom it looked like shit though you could do it if you take off the bottom corner why did you put in extra blocks that you don't need to do that it looks like shit why would you make this this is garbage if you're making it in something then you can't see what it looks like you can you're on it can't see what it looks like and how do you know walls you were telling me you can't do it you just built it like that doesn't make sense it only exists because minecraft doesn't have physics that makes sense something not if you build it inside something right so if you if you like if you just dug into the earth in that pattern it would look fine it looked like shit fine it also be not only would it be a straight way and pointless why wouldn't you just use ladders because they're not in the game yes they are you can craft them I have them I thought the whole premise of this was whether or not it was possible not whether or not it was better than ladders exactly yes it is possible completely lost me now I don't even know what the fuck we're talking about anymore I think we've nailed it if he said it's possible we're done this is the arrival debate all over again it is possible to build a shitty garbage looking staircase that is pointless yes I see the goalposts have been moved yes exactly you're saying it can't be done well it can be done but it's ugly yes it is it is ugly and slow and pointless but you can do it how the fuck did we get here I mean because Jay is using very strange methods of traversing terrain in a vertical fashion Jay you're a strange but do you accept this why would you ever do this I found a really nice Minecraft village in the world that I proved rags wrong it's just nice why would you ever build a staircase like this I don't know how do you not have any wood on you because you're underground and that's not what trees come from trees are on the way because they're on the top trees do come from underground what if you're already underground rags and you're in a cave you don't prepare what if you've lost your wood what kind of an amateur first rate minor are you that you don't bring enough ladders answer him Jay right do you know how big my cactus farm is rags I have no idea how big your cactus farm is unless you can build cactus ladders I don't think he cares no but in this in the server that I was playing on until it got shut down not shut down but you need mods to go on there now I wish I can't be bothered to install you could use you could sell cacti in like a server shop and you could buy ladders from the shop and it was like a pretty good cacti to ladder ratio just make them well you could buy all of the items that's what the shop was for every item was valued so you could trade in your stuff you don't want free at an infinite amount you can make them from woods that's not for us trees are renewable yeah that's not free they're practically free that wind power is renewable that's not free you could cut down all the trees that are constantly regrown you are the strangest Minecraft player I have ever encountered but I got the cactus farm literally automatic it had water flows and stuff that made the cacti break okay so you're going to expand the efforts to create an automated cactus farm but you are going to spend money to buy ladders because that's how much I work I'm so close to good alcohol fuck my ass dude we had the cacti go into water go into a hopper into a chest and from that because I had a chest that was always full of cacti that was amazing I could buy anything I wanted using the cacti and it didn't matter what I wanted I could just get it with the cacti so I make one resource like a real business where you specialize in making one resource and then you sell that resource in order to buy the things you don't want to make yourself what an insanely roundabout way to acquire ladders I could also craft ladders if I wanted to but I'm too important because you're already getting the sticks the fences and to make your planks you don't need fences and fences for a cactus farm why would yeah of course not why would you assume that you did well you're already getting the sticks for the fences and the these are things that you already have and you're constantly getting them because you need for like for construction trees grow slowly you need different color woods you have dark wood and lighter wood it's a different cactus any plants as you want Molo is there any elevator music on yet? oh it came and went you outlasted it I'm impressed so anyway we're already in hell we're just paying somebody else to play Minecraft for them no I was playing but I was paying for my resources because I owned a very lucrative cactus business so anyway you want to see how this ends with a hello Greedo I would love to know how this ends with hello Greedo I can only wish you well and hope you and the EFAP crew have a good conversation for clarity the EFAP crew is discouraging any harassment no it's cool wait what are you doing I didn't do that I reopened the room and it went back to the start crew is discouraging any harassment no it's cool I don't consider this harassment I don't give a fuck are you guys seeing it in the right place in the video? yes because I'm at 11 seconds right now wait it's it's paused for me but I can hear it okay so yes there we go it's fixed I appreciate the generosity there and the kind words in the super chat this evening yeah trust me I don't give a shit I mean it is disruptive is it disruptive how is it disruptive what is it disruptive they're giving you money don't people love it when they get rated I mean yeah time to agree I mean I guess not if you're a weenie the staircase you built literally looks like a big curly turd stop it J don't encourage you go back to your cactus farm you freak you freak I like talking to channel viewers and everything but I don't consider it harassment that's silly as shit it is dumb it's goofy did you say that? how dare he say it's dumb they're loud I'm offended that he's saying it's dumb to worship the cosmic chicken I don't know how to deal with this I think it's dumb not to I'll say this I've said this before I turned down a lot of podcasts with people that I know lately in the past year and a half just because and I'm a broken record and some people will roll my eyes fuck them some people will roll my eyes some people will roll my eyes hello greener has someone who comes in to roll his eyes and blink for him we're not even covering a video today but I'm making a note of that one please someone come and roll my eyes please someone said J is stonks and that person is correct I am stonks my cacti will prevail people will roll your eyes dude it will but my day I have an hour and a half to myself in the morning and then I have about two hours to myself in the evening well no that would explain how low effort and terrible his videos are also it means he still has time for a podcast he can still pop on for an hour especially if that's every day what he's saying is I don't have time I only have hours well you know especially in the efap world that is a small amount of time that is a just a blink of an eye to the cosmic chicken stuff to work on freelance projects and that's that's my free time and other than that I take care of my daughter unless she's napping in the afternoon and that's kind of my freelance time as well so to carve out a section of time where I hop on a podcast he said as he's streaming Minecraft I don't know if I can I can know if I can spare the time he says as he streams Minecraft does he consider this a part of his freelance work I guess this is part of his time I assume he would but I mean I'm sure maybe we have to pay for him to come on efap but that might be how it works like however much you make it super chat to him, not enough make it rain on the Greedo mass difficult there's three things that I do Greedo included not my kid included included my kid there's four I do Greedo shouldn't it be Hello Troopa I don't know things people have said that's an excuse fucking eat shit eat shit eat shit yeah he's told us that I only have hours free per day so I can't really go on podcasts because they'll roll by eyes what am I supposed to make of this Greedo just to say you're not interested I have like three hours to myself a day three hours you don't even have to come over like 20 minutes at most I can't go on a podcast I literally have three hours of free time that's a lot more than a lot of people that's strange but yeah I appreciate the sincerity of their sense eventually I'll never say never I've never listened yeah he did say never twice this is like the first time this has ever happened there's a stream where a bunch of people come over and tell me to immediately stop my stream to go on another stream kind of silly no you could stream no you don't have to stop your stream you could stream you being on our stream yeah you could you don't have to stop your stream a strange man silly boy crazy man crazy man mulch another fun an interesting update I like to think of him as a fun guy then there's other people who are less fun have you guys heard of fat man falling he's a youtuber he's not a fan of me he's very much what you would call the opposite of a fan of me rags would you do us the honors of reading out this tweet he sent about me a long time ago and then I'll explain why it's relevant um all right so Mikey fell at fat man falling says I'm pretty sure moller and cinemasins are two halves of the same being and when they split cinemasins got all the charisma and integrity and understanding of media analysis and argumentation yes okay okay snipe on twitter but they never explain why you're wrong I love sniping at me they never explain why you're wrong I'm sorry I just I left so hard at that I pulled my headphone out was anything good said then that's crazy the implications that cinemasins have charisma and integrity alone is pretty funny integrity watch my hang on hang on watch my I have a two hour series which is gonna be finished soon talking about how like literally 70% of the stuff they say is objectively wrong so how could you say that um yeah but that's not analysis wrong jay bad objectively false statement 70% of content charisma that's subjective but also no what what does this integrity come from I'm surprised he's gonna make a comment about my integrity where's I'd be curious where have you shown lacking integrity I don't know you said you said the dreaded f would well then in the like later once he calls his he calls his writing like shallow trite and dishonest done done oh yeah I was gonna say it goes on you're writing is shallow you wanna check out the rest of it yeah there's more down there oh I don't know why both halves of this hypothetical being got into film criticism but hopefully you don't think I literally believe the exact diction I used physically happened and instead come away understanding my intention was to say his writing is shallow trite and dishonest what's weird that's weird because he clearly says that he's saying here that you don't have charisma integrity and understanding of media analysis or argumentation and then he's like oh but I don't mean it what no so I think what he's saying is you're not supposed to actually believe that I was split apart from cinema scenes and some kind of disastrous scientific experiment like that's what he's saying I don't literally believe that what I'm in the state coming in that's not even a part that I referenced at all which kind of goes to support the idea that he's being I don't know like he's purposely listening to the idea could a mod sort out the spam in the chat please what what raid me raid me raid me raid me raid me oh from that one guy oh jesus hopefully if he doesn't go away metal will kill him I just hit him oh there you go rags can hit him too I forgot you guys have the wrenches so he goes on and says let's see his videos are seemingly so long seemingly so long okay because they can't stand up to people who understand what he's saying what no that I'm gonna have to pause what does that sound what does that sentence mean his videos are seemingly so long because they can't stand up to people who understand what he's saying so I guess what he's trying to say is that you're literally trying to use length in order to drown out people who don't agree with you he's trying no he's trying to drown he says he's trying to drown out people who actually understand him is it so crazy to believe that they're as long as they are because I just had a bunch of things I wanted to say and that's how long it took no that's possible what a battling sentence anyway the tweet goes on he spent an hour trying to discredit all criticism of him yeah which he didn't by claiming they hide behind subjective opinions and caps that off by saying his objective reasoning may be wrong what's the contradiction there but first of all it's interesting that he says I'm trying to discredit criticism of myself when I criticize myself I have a section where I explain my biggest blunders there's more since that time I made the captain marvel video where I said there are 500 stars in the milky way I think I said really wrong like embarrassingly wrong and funny thing is me and Fringy looked for that number and I don't know how it escaped us and then proof watching from other people I noticed how dumb that was like soon after releasing the video and I was like fuck how did that escape me but yeah that's wrong and it happened because I didn't catch it I made a mistake I don't use I don't try and stop myself from being criticized I actually like pretty cool with it um it's not criticism if you tell me you don't like my video I guess is that what he's getting at because like I don't care if you don't like my video I'm like okay that's useless to me moving on but if that's me discrediting or trying to hide away from criticism then that's an interesting these people don't actually watch your videos I think like they literally do not watch your videos they just take I think that what they think they are is just formed off of random bits and pieces of what other people have said that they cobble together instead of just watching it news sharing in general really I don't know why is this a problem by the way objective reasoning may be wrong why does he say that like it's a bad thing it's like yeah I can fuck that up mistakes impossible yeah imagine being so he calls you out and says that you don't have integrity and then also says that you say you could be wrong what a strange individual what an absolute buffoon what an imbecile he is happy to hear you using it rags he says at the end as if that's a much worse version of the same defense dishonestly edited to pander to his audience what does that mean I'm not sure he's referring to he says and follows that up with the blatantly subjective take that the saga was complete I mean okay so giving him the maximum benefit of the doubt I do think I say the saga was complete in reference to 1 through 6 or the very least 4 through 6 and if someone was like that's completely subjective I'd be like oh okay well I need to define what I mean by complete I suppose that the story has reached a climax that the journeys are completed to a degree with characters I think they would be reasonable to agree with that but I wouldn't even be against the idea that saying that's subjective I'd be like yeah okay fine nothing's never really ended if that's what you're saying fine you can justify the subjective nature of the claim that's all it does is it shifts it from being let's use the standard to determine whether or not there's a level of completeness here to subjectively I think it's complete and here are all the references that I'm going to use to back this up besides if he considers this me criticising myself and so be it but yeah you could have carried it on and made it really good you could have had episodes 7, 8 and 9 that were really good sure and then we'd be like but it's complete mohler so would you really want that I was like well I guess I'm okay with a story carrying on if it's really awesome but you didn't need to I didn't need more films after the OT did anybody need that well I guess it's a matter of what is it to need a film let's open up a whole other whole other thing that's just one definition away from clearing up so he's not a fan of me is the point of that and our conversation ended with me back and forthing with him and I'm not sure if I got the screenshot on hand we've got something else I want to show you guys first but I basically like he says to me that YouTube isn't the platform for me or something like that and then I was like it's just blatantly untrue and I reference my subscriber count and then he comes back with like wow trying to say you've got more subscribers that means you're valid or something like that I was like no I have an audience here so it is a place for me did he at least have a suggestion well he eventually conceded the conversation ends with him saying something like yeah okay fine you're still an asshole or something like that and then I'm like okay fine well I was like okay fine but we'll you know we can just let me know if you want to talk about this sometime and he was like yeah fine I'll keep it in mind and I was like okay cool and that was like a year ago and I was like yeah it's fine well half a year ago whatever it doesn't really matter no he's not well I mean he can still but this happened he's got he's on a podcast with friends of his I suppose I have no context for what this is I was just sent this and listened to it and I found it amusing so he's in the top right and then guy in the top left I believe is a fan of mine in some way shape or form or at least he watches from my work and let's just listen to what they say and discuss it because this is going to be interesting does he have a punch right oh what an insanely ugly person so well that she's off using the restroom I've been watching you know I in the background while I'm writing and I'm doing work I listened to eFap well mostly any kind of podcast he listens to eFap high five I assume he might be listening to this right now hello Celtic Phoenix how do you do hello Celtic Phoenix thanks for watching eFap interesting on my head perked because that was I was just watching the episode where someone sent a super chat in asking Mulder to debate you and he seems very this guy's you can see it in his face he's like oh fuck oh fuck about make your head before you use your weapon or at least your clean your room next to his bedside as you know a little bit of bed chess well I think it's interesting that you pointed that out instead of the massive upside down pentagram exactly also the fact that his wall has clearly been damaged by something in some way that's the white spot that was Satan that was the spell man that desk though you take a flamethrower to that how do you even you know on the chess board that's his lube oh my that actually might be a lube oh jeez I don't even know anyway for your the weird stat you guys and may I just say Celtic Phoenix liking the setup looking good nice you got the microphones all in place the whiteboard background for what I guess his notes or subscribers or whatever the sofa and then the background thing no it's like two low resolution to tell that's a shame hope it says hail EFAP or big idiot hail big idiot well my animosity towards him is that he's like a twatbasket on twitter I'm the twatbasket not me I wasn't being a twatbasket I wasn't assigning characteristics to people that I couldn't anyway actually back up because he's a twatbasket I'm the twatbasket and yet he said I have no charisma or integrity or understanding of media analysis or argumentation and I'm shallow, trite and dishonest thanks bro first just to be clear was that a reply to you in any way no that came out I remember that's the first time I've ever heard of him and I was like okay why does he hate me this happens so fucking much to me YouTubers hate me I'm all in what's up they're like fuck them all you terrible horrible person you ruined media do you know this no honesty you are a disgusting demon also yeah I'm trying to balance the audio for you guys in chat Batman is much louder than Celtic back and forth I'll try and make sure you don't blow your ears out I apologize I'm just really glad the left half of each letter orange while the right half of each letter is blue not well but the L's look weird because they're like 80% orange yeah fat man falling his content is just really like poorly that is until I saw his fucking Star Wars video man that's just like like how do you spend an hour like decrying the concept of subjectivity you could go on for days yeah this isn't a very substantive anything actually the idea of how you can actually view existence that's an interesting conversation that can go on for a little longer than an hour actually and the statements you make we will never discover the truth even is especially when that conversation is used often to decry you specifically and this is a conversation that's been going on for really long I wasn't just FYI because a lot of people feel this way I didn't bring this up I wasn't the one who said hey what about the idea of this like no no it actually came up ages ago like I'm talking you gotta have a lot of zeros on top of a number than that many years okay like a lot of people been talking about this for a long time I'm just one dude just saying like you didn't talk about this for like an hour like oh you nailed it destroyed the whole conversation how do you talk about it for an hour well I think there's a lot to say and generally one might even make the inference that intelligent people can draw a lot more blood from that their stone also I find interesting because he does a channel reviewing anime as far as I'm aware he spent no a guy no this guy no way not this not this guy by the way the guy with like loads of tissues on his desk finding tangent here so I have really long hair I haven't got a haircut in many years I have very long hair however because I have long hair I go through great lengths to maintain it well I don't like it when people have long hair and it looks like shit because then when I tell people I have long hair they're like oh you look like that you must look like one of these people I was like no no no I have white person hair I have to bathe it regularly and all that stuff I'd like to point out as well Rags's room is I can already guarantee much cleaner than this it literally is I'm looking around at shit everywhere tissues you need a slippery chess board do you have your bedside chess board Rags I have I have a little I have a bedside table but there's not a chess board on it well a true intellectual would have a chess board yeah I guess you don't have a casing for a fan but not the fan itself well no it could be spinning yeah that looks like it could be the fan right yeah it could be spinning oh I'm sorry fat man falling that was an objectively inaccurate criticism I have wronged you also on the matter of subject hair keep it kempton you know what happens to grooming how come that's just not a thing anymore was there like a convention where people decided they would just stop grooming their faces somebody announced every convention ever grooming is the big gay someone announced it it was replaced with subjectivity there you go yeah everything's objective I don't have to take care of it so I can look like a piece of shit in no matter yeah because objectively you wouldn't be anything anything at all yeah don't worry about it decrying the concept of subjectivity and then you're I'm actually very in favor of subjectivity it's very important to me we talk about it all the time the idea that I think feelings are bad or something no that's where you especially went ahead and said for it was like oh yeah objective objective wise but subjective wise we really love that movie it makes things so easy to explain to someone they're like oh you liked it but you thought it was poorly written yes there we go that was easy to explain wasn't it yeah I remember a recent conversation I said conversation where I ranted at you specifically about Steven Universe yes lots of the things I said were objective and then I said I hate them I hate why did they do this it was all subjective because there is no no because they fucked white diamond that sounds very sexual that sounds like a stripper name that's why I said it sounds very sexual but yeah okay let's carry on you're like complaints about a movie you're like I would have preferred if it was a different movie okay that's all you say that's all you say that's the entirety of your video if I say like I would prefer like I suggest a fix for a plot hole that's me saying I prefer a different movie at that point I guess okay some movies I'd prefer a different movie Cap Marvel The Last Jedi yeah the whole concept of the re-roll thing I kind of like that you brought up like when you've watched a movie it's like would you want to re-roll this keep it or risk a worse one for a better one etc like I would re-roll TFA in a heartbeat as well as TLG well if you're old TFA then I guess TLG is gonna it just stays the same even though TFA is completely different well it's okay because it's all subjective so it can stay the same well if you remember Quinton reviews our lord and saviour of a different universe he once said that it's only a sequel if you interpret it that way that's insane like that's actually an insane thing to say he said that though he said that oh shit when did he say that was that the TRO video no I think that was his video where he talks about The Last Jedi where he says like the fan stuff and everything we haven't covered that on EFAT we need to do that on EFAT we haven't we need to I can't believe it yeah we'll do that it's one of like the best quotes ever anyway moving on oh yeah you just prefer a different movie look at Celtic Phoenix's reaction he's like um that's not really what he said is that what he said objectively bad that this movie didn't tell the story I wanted it to tell dude come on he goes very in depth about his process of writing and it makes a lot of sense get fucked look at him awkwardly laughing that's not what you're saying that's what's so crazy is like the most obvious thing that you could probably take away from you is that you draw the difference between objective and subjective like that's our big thing that they're not the same yeah that's the thing if you were to rename it if you go more all you're talking about when you say objective is consistency you're not talking about anything objective I'd be like okay but my work still makes sense if you were to switch that one word then right yes it's just a word swap the concepts remain the same like all my work is still following all of those uh that framework then so it's still of that still is what it is right if you just disagree with the way I've labeled it that it still does what I intended for it to do I guess there is more to like that can be objective than just consistency though like 15 year olds not crying yeah we're not saying that that's all it is we're just suggesting that if their issue is the use of the word I'm like sure you can get over that but instead they write off everything I've done it's like cool no but they hate you anyway though oh cool which is why this is fascinating to keep an eye on the guy who hates me versus the guy who's like well I don't know if he how much he likes my work or not but he seems to be in favour of me is it ironic that the guy who's defending you kind of looks like Jack St oh little I'm okay with that you know he was kissed by fire you know and you get all kinds of different personalities out of that ginger hair what they say he's flame kissed when he's making an objective statement or an objective opinion versus a subjective opinion he kind of delineates that objective opinion alright fat man falling define opinion for me buddy do it objective opinions a thing why do people think objective opinions aren't a thing like this is an established thing look we have to go through this all the time rags we've talked about this privately I know let me google it just to opinion is just a judgment something that's true then it's objective this isn't even like a hidden thing this is like a nearly defined thing it's like people saying that Saturn isn't real I don't understand for something wrong no it's not my go to for something wrong it was my momentary go to for something that exists they just act like it's not a thing are that people who believe that Saturn isn't real probably no it's like saying that first off yes there are people who don't think Saturn is real there are people who deny that space exists there are people who deny that space exists but the whole point of what I'm saying is that this is you have subjective opinions which exist they are a thing they're clearly defined this is easily googleable stuff people hear that they're dumbstruck the logical step I feel like he'd be laughing his ass off I'm like okay he's probably one of two options one laughs at us again because everyone knows the definition of opinion there's no need for him to say it or he says it's your personal take on a thing it's your feelings on what it is it's like nope but even if it's your feelings on what it is if your feelings are oh that my desk is made of glass that's objective even if I feel it to be true it wouldn't be defined that way however you can make a subjective judgment that's fine and what determines whether or not a judgment is subjective is usually going to be the content of it and what the topic is I think in the definition of opinion when we talked about it it doesn't necessarily have to be based on what's true or what is a fact it can in fact it's kind of independent of it either way it's still an opinion it shouldn't be so controversial and yet it is people just don't think about it that's the thing they don't think about it so when they hear it to them it just seems otherworldly I think everything would get better if we dropped the word opinion nobody can use it anymore and we have to use something else in order to translate what we're saying to each other you have to use a new word for that concept what we would start saying pretty much is just judgment judgment's the easy one to go for and then they would be saying your feelings on something we'd be like nope not talking about feelings no if you substitute the word opinion with judgment everyone immediately understands what you mean I like to think they would but then they might say that you're subjective judgment no because then they'll agree with that long man and then they'll find some bullshit reason just put the definition just define opinion at the start of all of your videos they see that as stupid smaller an intro that has the definition they think that's stupid they're like of course everyone knows what opinion means well obviously fucking not well exactly they think that we're the stupid ones who've decided that opinion means something else just right did the same thing Joseph Anderson did the same thing Joseph Anderson searched for definitions of opinion that involve like the specifics of it has to be about your feelings and he's like see and he pulled it from a site that has a definition for objective opinion that's the funny part Joseph Anderson's a funny guy but this is the thing the best they can do is bitch and moan about how it's their definition that should be adopted but this is the thing we're just running from what's the fact and feeling it doesn't go fact and opinion people often say fact and opinion it's like fact and feeling is the two opinion can be both or either what's your opinion on how good TLJ looks aesthetically looks expensive I like it I understand that it's really technically competent but I just don't like the way it looks see what I mean though all the statements we just made so rags saying it looks expensive you could actually give references for why that's the case me saying I like it I don't have to go any further than that pleasing to my eye I actually don't like it what we said was subjective about the debate depending on how he qualifies this is what makes conversation interesting by the way instead of just going oh you like it okay bye that was a great conversation bye wouldn't want things to go too long we are up to two hours already we've like accomplished nothing in this stream of course that's what we do we did sort out some ladders hang on the important question gay ass cactus farm cinema sins announces sin week a cinema sins fan event sin week oh is that like the opposite of lint oh my god yeah everyone can make gluttony you go nuts with a particular vice you're like oh yes oh lust lust lust lust lust lust lust I call lust well the problem is rags people like fat man falling are the ones who are like yeah I'm up for that too rags everyone has to pick a deadly sin now well obviously for moller it's pride because he's evil what's the pride taken to the nth degree like what would I be doing narcissism no like in the form of actions like what would you picture I'd be doing if I was taking pride to the the worst like as a youtuber would I like release a video saying how good I am or something I would say that I would say that every day the most people listen to in their entire life oh god I'd make statements like that I would say that's the nth degree yeah no but it's still pretty fucking terrible to the youtuber I think so I would probably release a video reviewing my own work and saying it's perfect or something like that the most extreme form of pride I'm not sure I just meant within the realm of me as a youtuber like what would the action I take yeah I'd probably have to think about it interesting though yeah anyway he calls it I think it's a weird statement but it's an opinion that he tries to base upon factual information as opposed to personal preference look at his mind go that's that's if you're basing it if you're not basing an opinion on something no finish your thought fat man carry that forwards please continue 30 degrees celsius however his thermometer is broken and he is unaware of that fact so his opinion well factually true by his knowledge I would correct him on factually true and change it to objective I didn't have any so this is the thing I've talked about before it's just an easy analogy to try and help people understand what I'm getting at where because they would question how do you get an objective opinion that could be nonfactual or inaccurate yeah the analogy would be that it's objectively true that the thermometer is something incorrect and the reason why we have talked about this is because some people will say something like Bucky was brainwashed in civil war and if Steve had only told Iron Man that Iron Man wouldn't attack him and it's like they may not have any feelings in the game about this they just didn't remember the scene in which that happened those things happen and so you show them and you go yeah you were being fine you had any bias in making you come up with these statements you just had a lack of information so that's where it's applicable in media but then some people might be like struggling to understand it so I say like you have a thermometer it's displaying a number you read it out when someone asks you what the temperature of the room is and it turns out it was broken unaware to you and so they say like wow you were being subjective it's like that doesn't make sense I don't have any investment in whether or not the thermometer reads whatever number I just read the number yes you can mistakenly believe that the thermometer is telling you the accurate temperature when really you're just taking the reading incorrect or not you are still using that to objectively base your opinion I think that makes sense let's see how he reacts to it college oh sorry while his opinion while objective is factually false he is making an opinion this whole face palm out of the camera thing I think this is like a coping mechanism for a lot of people I mean like they use it to almost like hide their inability to there's a cheat down there that he is suffering on I don't know if I've mentioned this yet but he's making a video on me apparently by the way fat man falling he's gonna take me down boys I'm ready it's very interesting does this God I have to read again person not understand what the word guess means guess have to do with opinion he's suggesting that if the thermometer was broken and I read out the number I wouldn't have been creating an objective an opinion I would have been guessing what no I don't understand this seems like a non-sacrifice there's no guessing involved I read the number yeah if it was me here I would have stopped him right there and was like no no no no you're starting off with a faulty premise and I value time to some degree so what where are you coming from with this guess stuff also what's that thing behind Celtic it looks like it does sound cancelling and stuff behind who? behind Celtic I've heard that pronunciation that's okay Celtic Phoenix Celtic Phoenix Celtic and Celtic are both words Celtic and Celtic are both words so the cool guy the cool guy call him Phoenix got it I don't think it's noise cancelling I think it might just be one of those screens for like you can put them up and move them around for when you like changing stuff then again I bet it helps enough I imagine there might be something horrifically awful behind it and he's covered it up maybe I'm actually curious are those screens that maybe you could reposition I don't know I think they are that's the guy at the bottom said anything yet not yet you might not watch yeah I'm not sure it's very interesting does this person not understand what the word guess means a guess non sequitur a guess isn't an opinion I mean a lot of judgments are made without full information so you could argue that they're not definitive and therefore partially a guess I'm pretty sure if you base your information like you base a judgment on a guess that is an yeah that's almost more an opinion than not one would say that a guess is also if you're basing if you're misinformed that's not a guess that's you being misinformed yeah yeah like you know I can trust rags 100% if he tells me like Jay fucking behind your back said a bunch of shit and then I like challenged Jay on it and he's like oh he lied I'd be like so you guessed that I said that I'd be like I mean like giving incorrect information isn't something I would equate to a lie anyway it's a weird way to to frame this he's he's he if you are unaware that the thermometer is broken then you would think that it's going to be the temperature set on the thermometer unless it is a radically different temperature yeah he's like consumed this isn't actually complicated like why are you reacting this way fat man yeah it's not actually all that complicated it's just probably not something you just think about often it doesn't exactly come up in conversation oh that awkwardest fuck laugh look at that again he's laughing because his worldview is crashing around him it's how you cut that's not real his face was frozen his face was frozen and his eyes were staring forward it's like the most forced laugh I've ever seen like oh god I got a laugh that's like that's not a real laugh at all deflect the absurdity of it that's funny as hell is he I'm probably doing this no you're not man you're doing okay Phoenix you're doing okay I appreciate it the analogy the way you're failing isn't necessarily your fault it's you have to translate it to this man who's not really hearing what you're saying is what my take would be which we've struggled with the many guests we've had me and rag spent like hours trying to break down what we're saying we eventually just have to read we have to have them agree to redefine words we have to read yeah so don't worry don't worry honestly I think see I can never tell if he's joking why would you assume he's joking honestly like I hope he's joking a lot of the time but like in his like like tweets back and forth with H Bomber Guy he's like said mother fuck it H Bomber Guy said to me that um what is it the whole thing about the hitbox is being fucked in DS2 wasn't an error or wasn't a mistake I can't remember what word he used but he was trying to like move around the idea that they were terrible and he didn't mention them in his video whatsoever even though a lot of people who play DS2 will happily mention them and I remember being like you can't be serious the hitboxes are so fucking terrible you have to at least admit that those are bad and he was just like not necessarily because everything's subjective and the hitbox is only bad if you feel it's bad like Jesus Christ you can see like it was like a flaw but it wasn't an error or something yeah he used two words I can't I didn't fuck up on purpose I can't remember the specifics but the idea that I was the clown in that conversation like really H Bomber Guy does some things like oh it's my opinion I'm on good tips with H Bomber Guy as far as I can tell I have back and forth in DMs every once in a while after his new video the scanlines one I actually thought that was a really awesome video and I sent him a sin that I really liked it and the Blade Runner thing with the unicorn something that once they added the dream sequence in I felt that it really boosted the film and that I kind of liked that he went over that and then yeah he sent me a few messages back talking about some of the bits he cut out and everything and I was like it's weird I'm like am I on good terms with you or not I don't know I don't think he'd ever want to come on you I'd be lucky to get a conversation with him you know the crowd he hangs out with hang him from the rafters if he showed up here no he'd still be a good look look do you just see what happened to ContraPoints yeah that's crazy ContraPoints has been removed from the left almost what happened she said a completely reasonable thing that I guess to try and summarize it again I'm paraphrasing and I may have gotten some of this wrong but it's just for so people have some context from what I understood she was saying that what she doesn't like about being with them very let's just call them a woke crowd is that when when they see her arrive in a group they'll want to make a point to everybody say their pronouns once they see her and conversely when she's with a group of people who aren't woke who don't care about any of that stuff they don't and they'll still refer to her as ma'am and you know she and stuff like that and so she was saying almost ironically that she prefers not having to bring it on like to arrive in a group and then have them all go okay pronouns time you know what I mean like she'd rather it be natural yeah she said a completely normal thing which means that the left ate her up yeah I read that I found it interesting I said this to Rags before I was like that's really interesting as a sort of commentary on almost like the unexpected acceptance or at least you could call it that from their point of view it's unfortunate because it's pissed people off who consider her on their team if you will apparently it's very much upset non-binaries because non-binaries are people who very much require pronouns to be stated and so her saying that is if you're not binary then state your fucking pronouns yeah but they're saying that her story there as a content creator and influencer is damaging to non-binaries I think that was their argument what people who think that Trump is trying to kill trans people I don't know what Trump is trying to do but I'm pretty sure it's not that he's trying to build a wall and it's gonna be fucking beautiful I think if Trump did that it would be by accident like if the wall fell over and landed on a trans person trying to cross the border illegally through the desert what are the bricks full of like how Trump meant to do that it was the 40 chance point being though time it wouldn't look good for him I don't think but that's not a political statement though coming on effect everything is political to these people come on Jay these people think everything is political there's no such thing as a non-political thing they're desperate to know my politics because they want to be able to throw me out the window if you know what I mean and so the what I always see said online is he hangs out with rags who often hangs out with sargon therefore that's his politics therefore yeah we're indistinguishable from one another we never have any we're here we're here respecting the idea that you can you know like respecting a trans person's pronouns and all of that shit and having just like a well they won't accept the idea that you can do that and you can choose what pronouns you feel comfortable with and they want to know like but are you still a bad though do you believe in Nazism person who believes you know yeah these people are nuts I'd love it if HpombaGuy came on though I would love to have a conversation about art analysis stuff I just don't I think the best I'll ever get is like a discord call with him which I'd be cool with I don't think you'd ever come on eFab though it makes you wonder like with contra points and it's weird too because when I made an FA account I got and I still do get regular messages from people who are like furries and in the furry fandom who say yeah I just can't talk about politics because of how insane people are and what they'll do to me and they won't do work for me and I'll get called out all the time Can I be Rebek? Cancel culture People can't talk about politics in the furry fandom Correct Well Tim Poole made a video like within the week about how there is a poll and 73% of students who were self-identified Republicans said that they withheld giving their political opinions for fear that there would be academic backlash against them by like staff and teachers and that they would hurt their grades like people don't want to this is why when Trump was elected people were like what? because people don't want to say that shit in public because people treat us like we're second class citizens or that we're freaks or weirdos or hateful monsters Are you saying that you are Republican rags? Have you said that? What have you said? I thought you said you were left What did you say? Wolf is the one who was left I would say I'm left as well Yeah I'd say socially I'm pretty moderate generally but there are some things I don't even know if you could depends on how you define far right Yeah this is the other thing that gets super complicated I'm pretty clearly defined views on like immigration and stuff I'm very egalitarian and very pro-meritocracy and Hang on you disagree with me on issues I'm not talking about that Well I was going to say as well it's just funny you said about the whole like what they'll do with the second class citizen thing is like we literally had Quinton being like do not humanize Ben Shapiro Stop it's dangerous Ben Shapiro is a human he's also the awkward thing you realize which is Quinton wishes to dehumanize the Jews Quinton stop it quickly you're becoming something you wish to destroy Anyway back to this wonderful video I'm going to take it so far off track Like said like it's my opinion that fire burns flash and I'm like What? My opinion that fire burns flash Yeah What's wrong with that So if we again replace opinion with judgment it is my judgment that fire burns flash Why is this going to burning flash It's interesting Why is the pentagram man talking about burning flash The analogy he goes to I don't know It's weird but yeah it is my opinion I rags it is my opinion that fire burns flash This also is You might consider an objective opinion because it's based off of the facts of reality Yeah you don't actually have an investment in this personally you weren't burned as a child Well my point is like how would this become subjective and it's like if you said something like I don't know water burns you and it turns out that you had water spill on you that was really hot when you were younger and you've always been afraid of water because it'll burn you and you'd be like oh rags is not the case Yeah you'd be like yeah water can scald you yeah sure but yeah Water was acid and you're like there's a lot of ways that your judgment can be skewed and that's a part of my goal on my channel is to find those biases and get rid of them as best you can Yeah like it's just the concept that you're using you're just maybe saying instead of fire or water burns water scalds water blisters I was referring to the fact that if you said water burns as a whole it's like well water can or water can reach a high point there's lots of other things I don't know man Again I would like him to repeat all of this without being allowed to use What about objective opinions is that if you don't know we can test it and find out Yeah and again I just I'd like him to do all of this without being allowed to use the weird opinion and just notify me whenever he uses the replacement words so I know what he's actually saying because it's just like a weird to hide behind I genuinely can't wait for his video I'm so excited it's gonna be terrible it's gonna be so terrible we'd love it Like he's like he's a silly he's a silly guy okay wow we got you yeah you're fucked now beat the fuck out who doesn't present himself as a silly guy thank you okay at least there's an acknowledgement from him that I present myself in a non-silly way alright you can say the same thing about Jeremy Clarkson what do you think of that exactly well let me say in reverse fat man you are a silly guy who does present himself in a silly way but doesn't think you're silly which is the worst case scenario basically that is an odd that is an odd criticism I give it about I give it about 50% that there is at least some calm on that chess board who don't make me think about that I I don't know if I'd say more or less 50% I give it 50% if I had to over under you I think I'd go is that your objective judgment or your subjective judgment that is a pure guess hmm I'm surprised there's not a hole in one of the pens come on you're talking about his not as unbridled rages at all no no I'm talking about his twitter persona but he has long he's talking about my twitter persona it's all he watched I have a twitter persona I wasn't unaware of this he's just read your tweets and that's his judgment he's way worse on twitter than I am how is this fair I'm gonna guess it's trump yeah no like I don't really care about his content besides the ones that I don't care about his content judge people on twitter twitter thingies and don't watch the content and the length drag doesn't exist basket or whatever the fuck he said basket I've seen oh no he's tweets about my little pony oh no he doesn't I guarantee you he spent more than an hour on it meaning that he finds a little pony more worthy of discussion than the concept of subjectivity I'd like to go back to 70% yeah I think I'm with you on the 70 I'm gonna increase my can we not reach 100 can we not just I mean it's an objective I think we know that it's true than their keys starting to think those aren't dents in his wall oh no oh no how did you draw that pentagram oh no oh no oh no that is that is very metal pull metal how can you say that how dare you crossed the line I don't really care about his content besides the ones that I've seen like what kind of statement is that I don't care about his content outside of the ones I've seen that's an odd one maybe he's seen all of it how do you care about the ones you have and you're unaware of talking to him I mean trying to like objectively quantify artistic quality is like ridiculous why he said it's ridiculous get fucked game over buddy he disagrees with that then let him that's where I think you guys had a very interesting debate because do you believe there's an objective no there's no there's no debate to you're asserting it but that's not an argument just to be clear would you happily debate this man oh sure you can jump on e-fap whenever he wants to be a hilarious disaster he's gonna get he's gonna get stunned immediately cause we'll just ask for definitions and he's fucked yeah once you once you make him think about it like really just pass that first immediate step then it just crumbles definition silly a guy I don't agree with we did it with dex and snowman gaming didn't we it was almost a similar conversation they both came in like no and then we were like okay terms definitions conclusions and then they were like okay I can kind of see how you okay I mean it was dex who agreed with our concept he just didn't want to use the words that we he also didn't like the dex dex is a guy who came in talked to us against the wishes of just right yeah I know that I saw that but I don't know he's a guy who made the video where he was talking about buzzwords and video essays and the first one he said was objective and that you can't be objective and then we were like we challenge you on such things this is not ringing any bells I'm just gonna go don't you watch all of e-fap back to back you're a manager well you're honorary manager maybe rags I've had three too many beers that's a reference how many beers is that I've had three beers currently I'm still on one but I've got a long day ahead of me still because I gotta leave in about an hour and a half so I don't want to over imbibe well at least we'll get through this video by then maybe if you think there are objective standards of quality quality what do you think quality means yeah time to blow people's how do you think things exist that you can literally make whenever you please this happens with every single fucking weird they use so quality what does the majority of people think it means and a lot of people will tell you it's like how much you like a thing it's like no it means the degree to which a standard is satisfied and that can be how much you like a thing it can also be how much a thing is coherent or how much how fucking structurally sound of building is like there's so many different ways quality is almost just dependent on the context in which you're using the word I just like that you can just gunfire the definition by now we ask because all of these people they never think about definitions and we just kind of like have to it's what we base our work on this is why we know them they always assume interesting too is that we know these definitions but our arguments do not hinge upon them they're just ways to describe I'm also willing to accept that if you said that's not the only definition or something I'd be like okay fine let's explore the one that you're using this is mine let's just come up with a new word to use for this conversation that's all we have to do if you think there are objective standards of quality you're just incorrect good argument explain explain is there attempt at stopping him from speaking are you echoing I think so not anymore okay how I don't know I'm going to keep talking but see how Raymond is still on you hear me I don't know when this gets I hear myself I hope it's the rest of the video it's absurd it's ridiculous okay and meanwhile commentary has been completely substantive about concepts and the words we use and all that stuff and so this will be the perfect clip to say Mueller is vain right if you have conversations like this because they'll be like define the terms we already all know the terms it's like no the fact you've assumed that means this is going to be a very difficult conversation then it will be easy for you to just take the 10 seconds and tell us just to make sure and like just the concept if you've already buried yourself in the idea that there's just no chance that what me and Rags have said is even slightly reasonable it's like oh great thanks like you would even hear us out cool and you can clearly tell he hasn't bothered to understand how I actually explain it the Phoenix guy has that's why he wants to bring this up because he's like I find it interesting I'd like you to respond to it he's like it's ridiculous it's so dumb I mean come on guys I mean like come on killed it that's getting the information from because I'm wearing headphones maybe your headphones are loud your headphones really loud you can do this yourself hello yeah I didn't do it that time yeah I think your headphones are just really loud that's just your opinion this is why I always have my my headphones like turned down very weird yeah media awkwardity bizarre yeah anyway I honestly think okay okay you asked what makes Ruby garbage and it's my opinion on what I value there are people your opinion on what you value your opinion on what you value your opinion on what you value you can judge things objectively crazy isn't it for all we know he has like an amazing breakdown of Ruby or whatever the hell it is and he defines in the video that he's only going from what he likes or something I remember this like people said about JustWrites Hobbit videos right like he does a really great breakdown but then he will say about his own work it's all subjective and it's like noooo why would you value your stuff so much am I saying that you can tell by what someone is saying whether or not it's subjective but the other other other issue we've just hit is now define value and is it you literally talking about what you personally like that's what value means to you then yeah that's not what we're talking about when we say objective It's like you go around in circles with all these words and you have to define all of them and prevent them from being like Escape hatches sort of thing for the conversation. It's like value is subjective. Bye.  It's not like we have to stop doing that We're allowed to value different things. So if the show is good at one thing and bad at another thing maybe even Objectively someone might want some one person might like the fact that show because they value the one thing Might dislike it because they value the other one. Yeah, how about you take you you're not say if you value If you value visuals