Everything's working. I'm seeing audio moving. So I assume everything's working. I think I fixed our issue with Streamlabs OBS and our stream deck. So I think we're gonna be good today. We'll see. I'm gonna kind of keep monitoring it in case Something odd doesn't work correctly Otherwise we're gonna go we have a lot to talk about today On this show because I didn't do a news video today. So there's a little bit of news that will be discussing today So because of the channel trailer go up and that was kind of the video today YouTube gets a little Not happy with you if you're uploading a ton of videos into it within 24 hours I know we didn't do our live stream last night playing games. I do apologize for that. Not only was I My body was feeling a little under the weather needed some rest. Your body was not ready Obviously last night's also when we found out that my sister does have COVID-19 She's pregnant She's not quite 30 weeks along She is vaccinated. So that you know, I Saw some comments where people were like, well, that should show her to get back People just misunderstand the vaccine the vaccine does not make you immune to COVID. That's not what it does So just to get rid of some common misconceptions about the vaccine the vaccine does not make you incapable of contracting COVID In fact, it doesn't do anything to prevent you All it does is we're supposed to give you a lower chance of getting severe symptoms AKA it's a way to get us back to our normal life and us not worrying about COVID Just like we don't worry about the cold. We don't really stop our lives for the flu anymore So I think that's the whole goal There but unfortunately because she's pregnant. She has a weaker immune system She has other pre-existing conditions as well But update is that she's doing fine. Her symptoms haven't gotten worse So I bet they've gotten a little bit better and it's only been a few days So that's a good sign. So everything seems to be good there. Obviously the biggest concerns the baby She can't it's tough because They're really because she has a positive test or not like letting her just like mosey in all the time to check on the baby but They did have a Someone travel I think to check on it. Everything seems fine So we're just gonna kind of leave that alone and move on to the stuff We're actually gonna talk about today. My first reminding that today is the 27th episode of the Nintendo Prime podcast everybody We made 20 27, baby, you know, this is that's the age where like you're well past the age of drinking But also like you're starting to realize you're getting a bit older 30s right around the corner Yeah, should we start to grow up a little come on now So yeah, I'm your host as always mr. Nathaniel Robert Jantz and to my left and your guys's right is Mr. Eric Moore, how's it going man? Good. Good. How's it going everybody want to tell everyone what you've been busy doing all week for For the channel purposes. Oh god, I've been up downloading and re-uploading all of the podcasts Episodes well, sorry not all the revamped podcast episodes to the new podcast channel So right folks, we have a brand new podcast channel, which of course I don't have links in the description Although I believe I can make the bot scream out the podcast show to you So I will do that in the chat. We do a brand new podcast channel And yeah, we're trying to get everybody to go over to subscribe to that because eventually I don't know when the switch is gonna Be turned I'm hoping by the start of the new year But I don't know because the unfortunate truth about YouTube is there's a lot of features locked on new YouTube channels You have to get certain view counts. You have to get certain subscriber count So without us hitting those goals It's like over 4,000 watch hours and I think over 5,000 subscribers for every feature We don't want we don't want to flip the switch over there and be able to put on a lesser show essentially So we are going to eventually turn the switch on over there and every podcast episode is gonna be over there and we're just gonna advertise it here, but Until then we'll still be hosting the live version of it here on demand over there And we'll be actually making clips of our latest episodes once we're caught up And really seeing clips of like certain segments and certain conversations that really took off and I want to highlight So that should be a fun experience So please go subscribe to the Nintendo Prime podcast channel if you happen to enjoy any part of the show or any other show We're doing Some people have been wondering why we haven't had consistent guests. I will say this The guest list is thinning out Not because people don't want to come back on it's more so because they're just busy Incredibly busy this time of year Although I am happy to confirm that at some point before the end of the year We're gonna have Thomas from switch stop is gonna be on an episode. Happy to confirm that today I'll just restart of course is gonna be back on for the end of the year and game over Jesse plans to be on as well In fact game over Jesse would have been on today because we're gonna be talking some Zelda today Yeah, but he moved his podcast, which is usually on Thursdays today because it's Thanksgiving in the United States tomorrow So happy early turkey day to everyone I hope that your holiday season that I guess sort of begins now. Although you can argue it began with Halloween Anyways, I hope the holiday season goes well for all of you guys obviously with my family and my sister stuff Kind of off to a rough start because she also turns 30 on Sunday and we can't celebrate that because Yeah, yeah, no one can see her so I mean, she's not all alone. She doesn't have a husband and everything, but let's get into Some of the stuff we're going to talk about today. So We have some hints and potential leaks towards an indie world in December, which typically We have some rumors and stuff circulating around the zelda 35th anniversary I don't know the rest of the topics right in front of me. Oh, maybe I do I didn't reload here. Oh, yeah, we're also gonna be talking about a square enix stating that a certain game that came out on switch underperformed And why it's really square enix's fault even as they're sort of making it sound like the IPs at fault or Like, you know, they're basically treating them like yeah, the game's not very popular and That's not a good sign for the future of a franchise where this actual game was amazing They even said it reviewed really well. So they're not blaming reviews. They know the game was good, but nobody played it But I know why nobody played it and I don't know if square enix is willing to admit it to themselves But we'll we'll talk about that as well And then we'll talk a little bit about the final update for Mario golf super rush that came out today, supposedly I haven't downloaded it yet. So in fact, we're looking at the Japanese website for it So yeah, but maybe we could get some final thoughts on Mario golf in general Because I know we both have played it. So, you know, it's been a little while for me Yeah, I got this I did beat story mode, but and I played some of the other stuff on it now. So Let's just get to our first topic and This is gonna deal with Neo the world ends with you Let's load up a trailer for this so you guys can see What this looks like well before before I get that loaded this is gonna take me a second to set it up I just realized I don't have the title card set up for it Eric Neil the world ends with you came out in the same month discovered story HD and much 100 stories And it's a it's a RPG a JRPG that many feel like should have been nominated For the RPG of the year, I think That seems to be the general consensus, okay, and The problem obviously at this point To me anyways, there's at least the way that I see it is they came out today I turn an investor's call and basically said it did not sell well I Am curious Why it didn't sell well because they essentially said it underperformed expectation Which means it's not just that it didn't sell well It's sold worse than they expected it to now it was multi-platform And some do think it was a mistake not making it exclusive to switch because the first game in the series Which was on DS was exclusive Well, let's let's get a trailer here playing so we have a better idea because I didn't play this game In fact, I didn't even know this game existed if it wasn't if it wasn't for essentially Let's see here. Let's pop this over to This one. Yeah, so I I Wasn't even aware of this game exists existed if it wasn't for the channel player essence Because he covers a lot of RPG stuff In fact at one point he joked around that his whole channels about RPG news And he does he quickly become one of the the niches in video games that he really Nails better than every other Nintendo youtuber and that is the coverage of games just like this and my thing is The fact that as someone like me a Nintendo youtuber that covers news and discusses news daily Basically didn't know about this game if it wasn't for another youtuber talking about it Hells me it was very poorly marketed Now we could talk about the release month and being overshadowed by my sensor stories to and sell the skyward sword and yeah It's multi-platform. So like those games didn't that's not why I didn't sell on PlayStation That's not why I didn't sell on PC. Well, what else was coming out on it? Yeah, who knows well PlayStation hasn't had a whole lot coming out. So yeah, what I will say is The game reviewed really well Like top tier reviews it might I think it might even be the best reviewed RPG of the year But the thing is Most people don't know this thing exists because they didn't market it like Octopath Traveler was a risk and they marketed the hell out of Octopath Traveler They marketed the hell out of the Final Fantasy Seven remake they've had marketed the hell out of so many things But they it feels like they made this amazing experience here and they didn't market it So my issue because I'm worried. This is the end of the IP When when when a studio like Square Enix comes out and says it underperformed expectations, which yeah It's already a niche game. So their expectations probably weren't that oh, it's gonna be a 10 million sell No, I didn't say what their expectations are so wait if you look at the first game You can see what the first game didn't kind of build from there Okay They expect probably what the first game sold at least and then maybe 500,000 maybe an extra mill on top You multiply yeah, right? Yeah, even you want to say double-sale fine, but it wasn't close they made it sound like it was a total flop and I I'm really frustrated by this because I Know they're just making a factual base statement, right?  Maybe that would have gave it a few dozen more sales, but I Am just scared when companies talk like this because it's traditionally meant yep. We're done Yeah, yeah, yeah dead space three underperformed expectations not getting another one battlefront to underperformed expectations That's what guys they just confirmed. They're not making another battlefront. So it's like When things underperformed expectations companies just abandon them Nintendo infamously Metroid other M They kind of sort of said we're shelving the Metroid franchise after that underperformed now look how long it's been You know up until dread, you know in between other M and dread like yeah We had some Federation force and Samus returns but like our next major Metro game didn't come till dread and that was a long gap So I just want I think this franchise just deserves better I think that's maybe my viewpoint right now is that neo the world ends with you deserves better What are your thoughts and first probably one of the first times you can see it because again Yeah, we want to talk about this more if we even knew the game was coming but we didn't Because this is just what happens with games like this So again now I'm not saying everyone's gonna like the game, but clearly it had a crowd the first time around Yeah, so what are your thoughts? I mean I'm trying to figure out Like what the first one did. I don't even know what the first one called So I can't even tell I compared the numbers to see what the first one did neo the world ends with you It's that's the whole name of the IP There's like no it's like version 1.2. That's a really long Okay, that's just what the series sure cool Yeah, I don't know so is this a thing of of over or under marketing is it Jake Randall's in the chat. Oh nice. Hey, Jake. Let's go man. Let me know where I can get a switch all that I'm trying to give one away on Sunday. I Don't want to buy from a scalper. I'm like this close to pulling the trigger on a scalper I really don't want to do it though. Strangely enough. That's that's the last podcast What was featuring Jake Randall, maybe that's why yeah, Jake Randall you follow in our podcast channel. Yeah, yeah Yeah, so it's it's really interesting to see what was actually and we'll never know the actual reason why this didn't sell well Or as well as I thought it was going to You know again was it was it under under Marketed was it well definitely under marketed over expectations. It was definitely under market. That's for sure There was commercials for the original one. There wasn't right. Yeah, I mean sure You know, maybe they thought going multi-platform was gonna add Another mill per So one thing one thing that so player essence brought up because as again, I didn't know about this one He bought this one Twitter where he mentioned he thinks something that might have affected the sales was that it went multi-platform because Whether we like it or not when games are exclusive fans will market exclusive games Even if the company won't so as an example all the times we talked about upcoming switch exclusives This game would have been mentioned, right if it was exclusive And that would have been true for all these other news channels and social media All this as well where the game would have got brought up more as an exclusive Then it does is a multi-plat not be an advertiser Because fans tend to advertise all the upcoming excuses.  It's not like Nintendo's put some massive marketing campaign They announced it and then they said there was a demo and that's pretty much it and yet why do you hear about it? Well, there's a demo. It's an upcoming exclusive. We know it's coming next month We know advanced words one plus two reboot camp got booted. It's like that's a game that I don't even plan to buy I don't plan to do anything with I don't think I'd even enjoy it that much But yet I've talked about it more on my channel than this game because it was exclusive Right, and that does you also get to the exclusivity bias at times as well of Channels like mine where we tend to focus a bit more on the exclusives and not as much the multi-plats So that that is obviously something that I could look at as a criticism of channels like mine Is that we don't do a better job covering this stuff? I think for a channel like That's more general gaming if they're not talking about it. That's more of a bigger slide on them Because they coming to every platform right right although it did come to Xbox some people said oh if it came to Xbox JRPGs don't perform well on That's just I don't know why they have autoped traveler and game paths, and it only added like 10,000 players. So Weird there's just something about the right now. Well, you remember the Xbox market places made up of like Why is it growing? Well, people want to play Forza Horizon 5 people want to play. Yeah, that's really hitting on the core Xbox community I think once Bethesda's games and other ones come out to help expand The overall game pass community into broader tastes then these games might start to do better You know if you have a huge crowd in to play the next Elder Scrolls, they might be willing to give a JRPG a shot Because Elder Scrolls is an RPG. So even though Western I don't that's a theory because we don't know because the games haven't hit game pass yet Microsoft hasn't given us anything so far with game pass other than the games that we always get All these studio acquisitions haven't borne fruit yet But they will they will just Patience game development takes a while. Yeah, so yeah, I mean you could argue that the not being exclusive They'd heard it. I mean, I'm kind of surprised that they didn't go if they knew they wanted to go multi-plat Maybe start out with a timed exclusive and then because you know get your get your fan base that in hardcore You know ones that want to come back to it Give them the exclusivity stuff and then and then open it up to your other platforms to hopefully bring in Well kind of if you like Monster Hunter Rise a year timed exclusivity away from PC No, Nintendo page for that by the way, they wanted it. So there was a There there's a little difference there because it Nintendo chose it This is a Square Enix choice where Nintendo wasn't given they can give money for the first game let alone the second So I think there is somewhere exclusivity what it helps it I just don't know if that if that's like a big like I'm always a Statement that the more people your game is in front of the better, right? Like Breath of the Wild 25 million Can you imagine if it was also on PlayStation 4 the game might have my my game might also grant theft auto 5 Which is 80 plus million like That's how big that that game is so great Imagine 25 million on switch plus 50 million on PlayStation plus another 10 million on Xbox plus God knows how many buy it on PC. So they play at 8k 120 FPS I'm just right like people who double triple quadruple dip on every platform They have just even for comparison sake or just so in every situation a breath of the wilds on my thing Like oh for sure like I look at this and go I think it's always good to be multi-platform but There's two benefits to exclusivity One is something we did see with Monster Hunter Rise and unfortunately For PC users will be about like held back the game was built for the ground up switch So being built for the ground up for a platform typically takes better advantage of that platform and looks better You know you compare, you know like Monster Hunter Rise There's something like There's something like The Witcher 3 which is resorted over to switch. Yeah, it looks firing But it doesn't look nearly as good as it does another platform Nearly as good compared to say Monster Hunter Rise Why does much of a rise look so much better because it was built from the ground up for switch now That's gonna be a deterrent that holds it back a little bit on PC and what they can do there But that's what Nintendo paid for they wanted this game built from the ground up for switch Right, so one benefit of exclusives is built for that platform tends to perform better on that platform Looks better on that platform switch Exclusives tend to always look better than third-party fourth because they're working on other platform And this is true when whether you're making for Xbox Series X PlayStation 5 You could take better advantage of PlayStation 5 SSD advantage if you are making it exclusively for PlayStation 5 You could take better advantage of the GPU advantage on the series X if you're building exclusively for the series X PC is a bit of a hot mess because you got to consider a whole bunch of wide-ranging hardware but the point is is that When you're built up for very specific catered hardware, you're going to Just perform and look better. That's always been the case. That's one advantage of the series second advantage is Just marketing from the platform and the platform only But I feel like you can make up for marketing. You don't need fans to market your game That's your job. Yeah, you're a billion dollar company Yeah, no for sure throw, you know 20 million dollars in an advertising campaign That might sound like a lot of money, but to these companies, right? Put an advertising campaign together. How difficult is that? Jumpy. I mean pay for commercials. Um, I like this is the kind of look, you know You know where this this type of game needs to be advertised adult swim Yeah, yeah This is like perfect anime Perfectly targeted to a community already watching this kind of stuff. Yeah I mean nintendo advertises zelda and mario on on adult swim This is like perfect for that audience. I don't wrong. That's actually There's millions and millions of people watching adult swim so like there are reasons and ways they could do this that would be Just better And it feels like they just threw it out there to die and thought it would just sell because oh the first one did okay And it's like look it's a good game At least according to metacritic. It's a great game. All the all the reviews are glowing on this game It looks like a good game. So I I don't know. Yeah, it frustrates me when a great game like this multi-platform or otherwise it's just kind of It almost feels like the company's getting ready to throw it away and just say yep Hope you like that. We need doing that one again Because that's the history now. Maybe we're wrong.  Yeah, china or something Yeah, we'll just call it a day Which is not what we want to see happen either because then the series can arguably be held back And then you also take it away from the audiences that do enjoy it already um so Yeah, um Just a tough one. We did get a super chat in from pixel grisly For one down to yanni said thoughts on a donga rampa tempted to try it out. That's another one that I don't know that much Now i'm not gonna say there was a lack of lack of advertising on that one That's just one that I personally happen to not know that much about no clue about that one So yeah, there's a lot of games guys. I don't know a lot about a lot of games That's just that's just how it goes. I call I cover a lot of stuff But um, there's always gonna be certain things that happen also pixel grisly wasn't a person to super chat earlier as well It's a happy Thanksgiving. He's in love to everyone. He's in love to you as well and everyone watching I hope everyone has an amazing holiday period um Man, that's But let's watch our next one. Um, we have an update on um Oh, what is it on mario golf? Yeah, so i'm gonna i'm gonna see if I can set something up for that for first off What are your general thoughts on mario golf looking back on? Uh We haven't really talked about it much. He says like our one quick impression. Yeah, it Wasn't as good as I thought I was going to be now. Are you talking about the game on the whole or just campaign the campaign? Um, that's all I've played. I haven't actually played any other Moments which that's why I wanted to clarify. That's that's true the call. Um It I don't know it was just wasn't as I guess rpg is I was thinking it was gonna be I don't know Something just felt off I don't know if I like the constantly running to your next ball and I don't know So I will say the The the the campaign in mario golf super rush because we have our final update. We'll go through stuff here. Um the campaign in mario golf super rush um advertises itself as an rpg And that immediately made people think of the older mario golf games game boy era Um where it was full on rpg mode And you were climbing up ranks And trying to become the best golfer in the world and to be fair that's how the game starts The game starts out where you're trying to get to the top league And become the best player that even teases going against mario in a golf tournament Like he's up in the upper echelon look at the tournament they're doing they're doing this crazy mode You can work your way up to this And the game starts out by putting you right in a golf tournament and you're like Yeah That's what I want Little do you know that's the only golf tournament the entire time You play the the rush mode the rest of the time Um in various ways with with various different objectives. Uh, there are some competitions in there with others, but they're not really such stroke play So you took the golf out of golf Right and and you started with a tournament with a promise that that's what you're trying to do is become the best Now I understand the premise of cleaning up the courses Yeah, like fine. That's kind of like your tutorial after we clean the courses up Let's actually do the tournament. Oh, no, you're just advanced to the next league. Why? How do I advance to the next league because I cleaned up a course, right? How do I prove I can actually play golf? Yeah, no, I I get you on that one. So It wasn't really an rpg because it was linear And there was no benefit really like oh, yeah, if you upgrade your character you can hit farther You don't really need to do any of that. No, you really don't because you never are in a golf tournament where it matters. Yeah So it just felt ironically rushed Um, which we shouldn't probably be um surprised about shout out to my sister in the chat everyone She's here. You said f covet. Yeah. Yeah. She's uh, I got 140 assists. We'll give you we'll give you a real shot for you Busta we got we got some malibu straw right here. That's my sister everyone in the chat casey jack She's the one that I talked about earlier that's pregnant and has coven She's uh, not not doing well. She's probably tuning in trying to fall asleep. Give me a cap You want a capper? Yeah Wanted to try Want it? Yeah, it's it's pretty tasty Good enough As long as I don't get it on the audio. Good. Yeah, it was close for a second. I was like, oh wait move fast All right. Cheers, man. I agree f covet. Yeah, dude. Nobody nobody enjoys that stuff. But yeah, it's um Yeah, not bad Yeah, um so I I was down with that now when I played the other modes Um, I was okay with it. The rush mode made sense for those modes The rush mode was fine on its own as like its own separate mode Right. And there's been other modes as well and you could play online. No, they didn't have leaderboards And then they added leaderboards So they fixed the the one problem with online that I had but let's get into this update Um, because this is a feature that on nintendo life doing their verdict on mario gulf super rush Uh, 4.0 update, which is the final new characters courses um And so as I said, uh when mario gulf super rush launched it was an enjoyable But a bit b tier as we are in our view, which I would agree with that Yeah, I mean it was a game that felt like it was going to be a tier and then it was forces available to us Yeah limited courses. Yeah, um, but we knew there was going to be free updates for courses So I was trying to be a little less critical on that. So now now we have all the courses. So yeah, um Online play has much improved and there have been multiple new courses and modes fleshed out the experience Version 4.0 is the latest and last of the major updates and it makes yet more strong additions that are both fun and add variety We've been trying out the new content and once again It adds more positives to the evolution of this switch entry in the series So new characters we got wiggler and shaggy. Nice. Okay. Um, and they you know, they'll go over their different types of moves and all that um Uh, so there's been like I think six new characters added to the roster. So All right, um new courses shell top sanctuary and all star summit Um starting out with shell top sanctuary. It's another par three only course Um, but um, but uh, which is like a previous edition They add a new dog city through a free update before that was par three course Um, though it doesn't recreate the floating islands of the Kula and mario golf world tour It has a similar vibe and challenges players to be precise and accurate the amateur version is a challenge But doable while the pro version will be a test for strong players, which is what you want to hear You want to hear this challenge? So if you play it on the hardest mode, it's a challenge Um to do this par three course. That's good because par three courses are usually known for knit towards the easy So I like that And they even said it's a good addition um Well in the uh one on the one putt mode What we're going to cover in a moment. Uh, finally they have all star summit Uh, it's very much a finale course and immediately one of our favorites of the game We've been critical in the past of a number of courses and settings in the game A lack of creativity and this goes some way to resolve that each hole in area has made to resemble an iconic super mario character with clever usage of Pretty much every terrain type to create the likenesses along with breakable blocks and more now that's good That's good. Uh, this is a course where strategy is needed There are a lot of hazards due to character features being made with bunkers and deep rough This is especially true in some of the longer par five holes Even some greens have little bunkers for eyes Um as an example, so depending on your approach you may need to even play chips instead of putts It feels fun rather than gimmicky and as the course looks on the green. Yeah, okay. Yeah Um as the course looks fantastic any quirks feel like strengths rather than weaknesses. The music is also excellent Both courses are good um and entertaining so Yeah, I mean they added some decent courses. They added some decent courses, which the thing is when the dlc courses are Significantly better than the ones included. It's like why didn't weren't they just included in the game? That's always gonna be my base criticism dlc is fine and I want it to be good But it should never be it should be on par with what's in not so superior than Especially when the game itself wasn't already offering enough content, right? That's maybe my number one complaint is They I think they treated this because these are all been free updates. They treated it like spittoon Like spittoon came out the gate and was incomplete and you completed it with free updates same with spittoon two Probably the same was between three But see we expect that from that franchise now. That's the way it's always been Mario golf until this game has come out as quote-unquote a complete experience So this felt like the most incomplete complete experience I've ever had With mario golf makes it disappointing because the gameplay is actually not that bad Yeah, yeah actual golfing is fine. Yeah, it's I don't expect anything more out of it. Yeah, right, right Like you said though, they took kind of took the golf out of golf. Yeah, I know that's what I mean But like when we did that tournament at the very beginning, that's that's where I go, baby. Yeah, love it, right, but I'm fine with all the modes It was it was it didn't matter how many shots I took as long as you got to the hole first Yeah So it says so they added some other new stuff as well They talked about the one the one on one putt This is only found in solo challenge area with amateur and unlockable pro versions of new donk city and shell top Sanctuary as the name explains rather well, you have to get on the green in one hit The fringe doesn't count and then sink a putt in one So basically You got to get a birdie every time like treat it like a par three.  I'm using Nice bug. Nice bug. That's a cool. So it so it doesn't it lets you continue on if you get a hole in one But they're not they didn't program it expecting anyone to do that, right? That feels weird in a game built around getting it on the green in one hit Obviously people are gonna perfect it to the point of getting a whole getting a whole month, right? So she's in a video game, right? Um, you have to get through all 18 holes. Um, the other thing is too is There's already code in there for hole in ones. Anyway, is it there? Probably. Yeah, there is. I think there is So How But it's not part of this mode You have to get through all 18 holes Uh, we get 10 continues which sounds like a lot, but they can disappear quickly and become unstuck On one particular hole we said previously that new donk city is enjoyable But has a couple of aggravating holes So getting through this mode will test patience shell top stage for you on the hand It feels like it was designed for this mode. So yeah, okay, so the shell top was designed New donk city was kind of shoehorned in so they had multiple right courses for it Right, uh, it's a good addition and unlocking the pro and special difficulty will give skillful players Yeah, again another nice little mode and then it's using normal golf. It's just making it more challenging Okay. No, it's still part three, but We want you to make it in two instead of three I get that it's just it's just more challenge. Uh, then they had target golf Which I assume that's what this is I was going to be played in a solo challenge variation But more commonly against a i local or online Opponents this is an excellent addition as it feels like it could be entertaining for everyone players take turns There are no hugely disruptive specials or running between holes and it gives a colorful alternative to standard courses It takes place across three variations of a stadium arena Increasing in difficulty in each one's charming in their own way Solvable accuracy and a little strategy You could pick from one of three rings to target with your score determined by how close you are to the center Which makes sense. Yeah, that's target golf The ring segment you hit disappears So across a five shot round strategies will change as less scoring areas are available They said double points in the final round. Okay. Yeah, that makes sense. That's a typical target mode kind of thing That's cool That sounds fine So then they talk about where where they where they stand on this and this is just their personal opinions at that point Rather than just talking about the content.  I know it's changed today Um, and now it's all about budgets and if they want to call a triple air hat Uh, but if you're gonna go off the old standing of b tier to um up I would say this probably went to double a which was always slightly above a b tier game Um, because I think all of the additional modes and the online and the multiplayer Is really really good But they marketed it so heavily on that single player and it's not just and I mean sure this wasn't just because I care Right, I can be like I have a bias. I cared a lot about single player. It's all I paid attention to No, I went back and watched their pre-launch trailers and marketing and they were talking a hell of a lot of Yeah, and none of these improvements are about the single player. They did nothing to make single player better Didn't address any of the complaints than any dlc do it I The campaign wasn't so that that keeps me like I think If you just get rid of just toss out the single player at this point And then it just becomes a multiplayer mario golf game. I think that's fine Yeah Yeah, this almost feels with this added content, you know and the added content since What the game should have been From the beginning Chats having a lot of fun with this topic. Um Yeah, I just I don't know. I mean you guys let me know what you think down in the comments and and all that on Mario golf super rush. So you guys have probably played a lot more than I have I I I just think this has it's kind of like mario tennis aces where it has everything it needs Game play wise But I want to see the creativity expanded into the way mario golf used to be And bring that forward just to me. No for sure for sure. I guess yeah it Yeah, I don't know it It's not a bad game by any means but it just didn't For what I've played of it. It wasn't up to where and that could be on me for Thinking it's one with one thing and it came out completely different but um, you know, it It just sucks because it didn't mean my expectation. It does. I was hyped for this game You guys go back and watch. I was hyped for this game merch command work For normal members, it's supposed to work for anybody But I I just my sister was asking where to buy merch. Yeah, it's okay. Um I don't have everything up there right now. We just moved merch stores But yeah, also, uh, we're launching a new shirt on sunday at prime giving so hopefully I see all you guys out there on sunday We have we have a new uh, a new piece of merch launching then you guys are gonna want to uh, go check out Yeah, it doesn't look like that link is working. I'll I'll have to go manually grab it Or figure out why stream element doesn't send it out. Um Uh, you want to get started on the next topic? What do we got? What do we got up next? That was the uh first topic. Let me take a look here real quick Pretty sure I know what it is. I think it's the indie world. Yes, you're right. It is the indie world Um, which I didn't give you much info on Um, because it's it's mostly a rumor at this point, but uh, it's the possibility of that rumor being a direct Um, so we're gonna open this up here in a second. Right But let's just switch over right now. Um, and you can kind of read this here. So Um, why don't you just read this entire tweet here from samus hunter? Uh, updates. It's highly likely that the various mh reveals have been moved to the game awards Not sure what mh is oh monster. Yep. I figured it out as I said it So tune three we'll get some updates later this year I know there's at least one artwork scheduled to be released by the end of the year and december's indie world should not be delayed So interesting and what you were telling me is that generally After in any world comes Slightly before a nintendo direct. Yes. So what this? rumor slash week slash whatever you want to call it is hinting at is that Because there's gonna be an indie world next month that It wouldn't be out of hand to think that we'd be getting a direct next month as well Is what i'm monitoring i'm trying to find a link to the merch store. I had it open at one point um Oh, here it is Got the All right. Uh, here you go sis and anyone else interested in the merch Since it wasn't popping up. Uh, I will throw a link in there right now Um, so that's the link to the merch that I just linked. Um, and you'll see in the merch by the way We had zip hoodies now Um, we got t-shirts. Uh, we have a full over sweatshirt. We do have those giant mouse pads S-mats And a coffee mug right now. There's going to be a heck of a lot more added in here Over the weekend and we'll get some podcast specific ones up as well Again, we're working on moving a lot of the merch over from our old store right now We're promoting our new store because our old store was on stream labs and If if you want to ask the q&a section why we're doing stream labs I can go into that again Yeah, we also had a five dollar super chat for a second from lindy They're not specific to this but if we have to add things to your game post release to make it meet consumer expectations You didn't make a finished product. Yeah, I I agree with that, uh, lind Just on a general sense like For for games like splatoon, I feel like they built the expectation of that's the way it's going to be And so you either decide it's worth it at launch or here's the thing with splatoon 2 though or splatoon also Um, well plus a single player in splatoon is never a felting Yeah, I could tell you that the single player mode in splatoon and splatoon 2 never felt incomplete Everything to add it was for multiplayer Fair enough fair enough, but then again, it was a brand new ip. Yeah, so it's kind of understandable that you could get away with you know Putting on a game that you thought was complete But then once you got feedback realized it really kind of maybe wasn't and then brought, you know, free updates back in around there I can understand getting away with that part of it Um, splatoon 2 should have probably not done that because you should have known it was would be Either a complete game or not because you've had the first one, you know type of thing Hey I think it's they set it up with splatoon one to be that way. So this is the way the ip's doing three is going to be the same Yeah, so they created the expectation It's kind of like like look at you got to consider splatoon Instead of looking at splatoon more in the light of compared to nintendo's other game because it behaves like none of the other You got to look at it like fortnite. It's got seasons. It's got additional content. It's got map changes It's got all these things that happen over time additional weapons additional because it's focus Splatoon's focus they have a single player mode which is complete at launch And they do do dlc for it later But they have a complete single player alone. So that's done everything else. We're talking about multiplayer really And what's nintendo's goal with multiplayer to keep you playing in over an extended period? That's how do you do that? Yeah, trickle the weapon edition the maps and the modes and everything So i'm fine actually with the way they do with splatoon because it's so multiplayer-centric But mario golf's not wasn't being treated that way like it's it is but it's not Like splatoon is competitive from day one. It's competitive. There's ranks. You can rank up You have literal splatoon two tournaments happening at nintendo like it's treated like a competitive game. So it makes sense Mario golf wasn't so and none of the prior mario golf games behaved this way. That's another thing So there was no expectation for this. So yeah, yeah, it was an issue of mario golf now getting any more into this Yes, um, obviously, you know master hunter reveals that the game or moved to the game awards or whatever Whatever, I'm not really surprised about that. They do have to advertise the pc one coming on as well Plus they had the big sunbreak dlc next summer Um, so I kind of expected cap con to bring a little master hunter love to the game award Splatoon three. I'm getting getting updates later this year Which again would lead to another direct which could be a direct thing because you think about it She's not saying it's between three details will be at the game awards So she does know that she knows there's at least one piece of artworks going to be released If that's all it is and that's nothing that's just them giving you like a holiday art piece on twitter Which is fine, but that's not really updates I won't call that an update that's more like a reminder of the game exists Right Unless unless that art has something new in it that matters for the game Which has traditionally not been the case And then december's indie world should not be late, which by the way, there's no confirmation We were ever getting into the world so to mention that you know, oh by the way We're getting indie world in december and again indie worlds have traditionally happened before Nintendo Direct's like a week or two before Nintendo Direct's traditionally not always now I I have two two thoughts on this because a lot of people have been asking me well, Nate Then we're clearly getting an internal direct in december No If the indie world is in the second half of december then that sets us up for january Which I think is much more likely to get a direct in january Than it is in december because nintendo doesn't like overlapping with other events like the game awards They're already gonna have something We don't know what true. We hope it's zelda. We presume zelda, but we don't know something's gonna be shown at the game And they haven't really done Normal directs in december very often someone can correct me in the chat on this I can't I couldn't I went back in nintendo directs and I struggled to find one that happened um in december That wasn't just like an individual game advertising direct like for smash bro um So you someone someone can correct me and let me know if that's something nintendo has done Uh, normally their fall direct, which they already had is usually their last direct of the year It's they they they've been on a normal direct kick of essentially you get one in the spring Uh, you get one in the fall you get e3's direct And that's usually the big three that they do and then every now and then they'll also do one at the very beginning of the year Now that one isn't always Uh, normal direct sometimes it's an internal direct mini sometimes it's a direct for just one game like A pokemon direct for legends archaeus. I could totally see that being a thing um But if the indie world happens early in the month, that's gonna make people think well, then we're getting a direct in december and maybe we are One thing we do know Regardless of if we get our direct soon or not because I I honestly think January february is probably the earliest we're gonna get one um But if we get one say december or early january It's because there's a lot coming out next year. We already know of a massive lineup of games next year Yeah, absolutely So like they have a lot to advertise already. They're just from what we know let alone the games. We don't know So they had a lot to talk about So they can drop a direct anytime and we know it's probably going to be full of some good stuff because they have so much to talk about I just obviously not going to talk about it now. We have pokemon really damaged and it probably just came out We had the holiday, um, you know sales period this weekend, um, but you know They don't have a ton happening in december right now besides the game awards now that Their biggest game of the month was pushed out of that month. So We'll see it's one of the we'll see like do you think nintendo would be so bold as to pop off a direct I I just went back and looked at the archives and from what I've seen going back to 2013 They have had a total of three in december in december one actual nintendo direct In 2013, yeah, that's one specifically for Smash brothers final final presentation. Yep And then this last year was super nintendo world direct With the super nintendo world a universal studios japan. Oh, yeah So so that was just sure. Yeah, they were about to launch it right So in other words, they haven't done a normal directing december since 2013 Like an actual yeah, I mentioned they did a smash one. I knew they did a smash Um, and they obviously didn't advertise the opening of a theme park So they kind of suggest they don't really do december That's unless there's a very literal very specific thing they needed for final smash fine final, um advertising for the launch of a brand new Um, whatever like a mario movie director Like but like what but we don't want to be a director mario But Ah, it's one of those situations that I I don't see them do like do you do you think they're going to I mean If the pattern holds the only thing I can think of is for legends arceus But that comes out the end of january so they could do that in the beginning of january The only other thing I could think of is that we're all thinking that Zelda's at the game awards when it's actually going to be at a direct not too long after Oh, why What is now is now the coming like early? Maybe it comes out march You're holding on to that hope. No, I'm just saying I'm just throwing out ideas here. You know, I'm not saying any of them are small Exactly Exactly, that's my design. That's my that's my that is that is literally the eric design.  Um, I mean so All right, so then give me okay, see so Give me some other ideas then on why there could be a dread. I want you to play the devil's advocate We're getting a direct by the end of December. What will it be for? We already know how many massive games are coming up It's just next year. Oh, well, I mean you've already listed arceus um Breath of the wild two I'm missing a ton of them obviously, but I mean Just to recap at the end of the year what What is coming out again? Even the beginning of next year or at the end of next I mean all of next year There's a massive game 2022 is looking like 2017 on repeat. Yeah, if not better because we get pokemon legends arceus I mean, we don't even by the way What we know is not even the entire lineup from next year. That's that's what's so mind-boggling is Just what we know if that was the entire lineup of exclusives next year.  Uh now we have advanced ones one plus two reboot camp is next year Um, I don't know forget being in a three coming out next year. Was that it out of three was just recently shown off It sounds like the game is done. So that sounds like that's coming next year. So Like damn, yeah, we have a it already. That's what we know and we haven't even got there yet We know there's games announced that we don't know that are going to come next year. Hey curbie Curby in the forgotten land triangle strategy Yeah, that's next year.  So there might even be a new gen of pokemon announced coming out next year in the winter. I'm not wrong you're not wrong Like 2022 is Ah And that's just nintendo got by the way guys if you game in general Playstation and xbox are packed next year. It's apparently there's also a rumor out there that there's going to be a uh brand new open world pokemon rpg Yeah, when was that article created that's probably legends arceus 11 21 2021 so Three days ago. Yeah, well, I don't know if I believe that Um gi rocky hits us with the 999 says happy pre Thanksgiving. How about a shot? Oh, I got a shot for you. Don't worry about it We got you. We got you as always drink responsibly and all that. Um all right, so um Yeah, so what else do you like? Like give me give me like the okay first up general direct or single game direct Or single franchise Oh That's tough if there is one by the way, I don't think there's going to be so that's my whole stance I don't think it's happening. No, I mean history tells me it's happened like three times ever Two times were very very specific and one was 23. So yes, you're not um I could see it if they if breath or Zelda's coming out beginning in next year. I could see a single Zelda Like full on Just I could maybe see one But then again, that'd be more of a Pokemon company doing it for Arceus So would that actually be a direct in itself? I you know, I could see I could see it being like a Pokemon direct or whatever they want to call it. Um Whatever they've called them in the past You know, I could see one of that being hey reminder, this game is coming out. This is the newest updates to it things you haven't seen before We've touched up the graphics here here here and this and this and that you know I could see it. I wouldn't be surprised if we didn't But I could see it. I could see it Yeah, that's And again, when when does the indie thing fall because again if the if it's true Again, if that's true if that falls at the end of the month Then again the one to two weeks afterwards would put it in january. So again, it's it's when does the indie world? That could definitely Decide whether there's one I expect one in between By the end of this one, there will be one you think there'll be one before legends are Yes, when does that come out Yes, I would say sometime between I do think there'll be some sort of pokemon out of that and they could call it a pokemon direct Before them or they'll be talking a lot of blowout for legends arceus. Maybe they'll have some updates or I don't want to say as far as dlc, but something for pokemon brilliant diamond shining pearl um, and who knows maybe we get a tease for Whatever else they have after But I could see there would be in some sort of pokemon direct for sure in january I still think there's gonna be one next like a direct next month. By the way, there's no specific rumor. There's gonna be a direct next month It's more of a There's a rumor on an indie world next month, which usually three days of direct It's a pattern and you could go well Then why don't you tell more about the indie worlds because the indie world The problem with with speculating an indie world is that There's significantly more games that could be in the world versus a direct 100 like indie world is pretty much one of You know grab a dozen the 30 of the thousands of indie games coming in the next year and it could be in the You know like I could go. Oh, yeah. Is this finally we're going to see hollow knight silk song again. Maybe probably not like That's the problem with speculating on indie worlds is that it's going to be either games They've already done or it's going to be a bunch of you know random pick from a thousand So That's why we if you I'm not trying to describe indie worlds It's just there's too many in comparison to like nintendo directs. We can talk about what are the big games, right? Because we know Like what the big games that at least are announced at this point. Um, sure Okay, so then obviously we talked a little bit about zelda there and I feel like this is a good transition because Over the last week or two the zelda 35th anniversary has come back up Um, which by the way, I thought was done because I thought all we were getting let me grab one quick here Maybe we got one here on hand Oh got a couple on hand actually because we're giving away two of these bad boys During our prime giving event on sunday. Heck yeah, so uh, yeah, we got some of the zelda gaming watches here Um, and we're giving away some of these during uh on our sunday event And the thing is that was supposed to be it that was supposed to be all nintendo was officially doing for the zelda 30th anniversary Now people have argued. Um This is one reason why i was hoping game over just to go to come out today Because he's one of them that they have been celebrating the 30 the zelda 35th anniversary all year Look at the new skyward store to mebo and then the skyward store to hd Updates the hyrule warriors But my my counter argument to any sentiment like that is one aji and oboe never specifically said any of that Had anything to do with 30 zelda And this would presume that without the 35th anniversary zelda. None of that stuff happens anyways See when I think about stuff that celebrates an anniversary it's stuff that's happening because of the anniversary Not happening just because the timing happens. They'll end up with the anniversary skyward store at hd was probably always going to come this year, right? um New dlc for hyrule warriors age or calamity was probably always going to come this year A new amoeba from skyward store it was always going to come so like that's what i think why aji and oboe specifically didn't know that skyward store didn't even have so People can make that argument, but i always go that stuff was happening The only thing we know wouldn't have happened was zelda game Because that was mentioned as we did this for the 35th anniversary now um So the 35th anniversary came back up aji and oboe said at the time there was no other games in the works for the 35th anniversary Or anything in the works really um because of this tweet by samus hunter again um Who originally said back on november 18th the celebration for the 35th anniversary the legend of zelda will continue with the game Not already got minds racy the winmaker a sheet Breath of the wild 2 trailer drop title reveal, right um new merchandise zelda legos um, you know zelda concert for sure like zelda music at Um at the show is a given jeff kealy loves music He does live orchestra sometimes or back in person What did be great to have a little compilation song list like what i do at the beginning of my streams Like it would be wonderful and amazing and i still kind of expect there to be some sort of musical recognition Just because that's the way jeff kealy is and zelda has amazing music and everyone seems to like when zelda music is played at events um But she clarified this and we talked about this in private and she kind of summarized it She went more detail and we talked about it in another video, but so given the follow-up to the tweet I want to specify a couple of things. I don't currently know specific details about it But here's what it could mean. So basically she's speculate She doesn't know and I can confirm what she does and doesn't know because of additional things We've talked about behind the scenes. So she's speculating that there could be a concert which concert is more of a There's a compilation 35th anniversary compilation they're not People kind of confuse like when you get a musical performance at like an event like this They call some of the people call it a I don't call that a concert right the concert's the whole event Right, so it's not a it's not a concert event. It's a performance performance at at at a game award That's whatever that's that's just mincing words and from different countries and you know, they might You know, maybe in the uk they would call it a concert even though and here we're like, that's the whole event That's that's anyway. Um trailer for the sequel to breath of the wild which that's hype Collaboration with like that. She mentioned that there's supposed to be some Zelda DLC um interesting so She she clarified behind the scene with me on some of this stuff and essentially What I what I have come to understand is that the only thing she really seems confident about Is that at least based on what she knows and again speculation rumors and foil hathis. Yep Um, is that it will not be related to the wind waker into other constituent I pressed her hard on that because I said you just told me you don't know what it is So how can you defend her to say it's not x y and z when you just admit it? You don't know that you're contradicting yourself great. There's no any sense right and she goes well, that's because By this point, I would have seen marketing material for those games if they were about to be revealed Now she saw marketing material for scourge already. She had So there is some validity there where well, she did she did talk about scourge already She before it came out. She's not talking about these you have other places like jeff grubb saying all these games are coming next year so It would be weird if those games are gonna come next year and they do a zelda 35th celebration They don't talk about the games there would be strange but This is just what she said but she's really confident. That's not what this is. So from there, then it's just well What's left?  That's bad. That's bad You don't just say oh, yeah for zelda 35th anniversary. We're adding this content the monster hunter or we're adding this content to Mario party, right? We're adding in a special You know item that's dry force related or something link or zelda in the mario party I'm fine with that. That's huge. I mean, yeah, but I mean to be To only allow the 35th anniversary to be mainly A zelda game and watch which already feels and then here we're gonna add zelda content this game this game this game in this game That's like I said it almost they can only get away with it They can get away with it If it culminates with a new trailer for breath of the wild two That also drops the title now look that's not saying that breath of wild two is 35th anniversary related because it's not It was gonna exist anyways But but you can at least say look, we're sorry that we didn't do more But what we can do is show you more for the next game that you're really fighting for And give you the actual title and they know people are going to run wild Speculation over the title and create a billion videos on it. That's going to be your entertainment until e3 or whenever they show the game yeah, now caveat caveat If it is ready to go for early next year and is going to launch in march You could argue that's a pretty damn big You can say we're capping the 35th anniversary But But I don't think that's what's going to happen. So I think it's more of a if there's a celebration music Um, and then maybe some some minor dlc announces But they can only get away with just that if it caps with a title reveal for breath of wild two Right, they don't anything short of that if that's all they do it's going to be like What it's yeah, yeah, and and I don't blame jeff keely for it because they're not promising this stuff But it's kind of like But still everyone knows we've been really disappointed with the treatment of the of the zelda series for the 35th Um, you know at least we can argue who all was metroid 35th as well. Yeah, we got metroid red. So like surprise That came out of nowhere. Yeah, so like you got something right, right? Well, and then wasn't it donkey's 40? Yeah, and we haven't heard anything about that. Yeah To be fair though, we do know donkey gong is rumored to have its own movie in the mix now after mario Right, and we do have a rumored donkey gong game. We don't really anything for zelda rumor besides Oh, we already know a game is made and hey jeff grubb said we're getting the other we you porting games at some point Right, okay We don't have any real specific rumors And by the way zelda itself as much rumors can exist out there a lot of the rumors end up being fake anyways Well, uh because zelda is that franchise that nintendo does a great job with not having leaks from The things that leak are always marketing material related and that's usually really close to when they're going to talk about it efficiently anyway right Like the land years for e3 at least every single year, but like sometimes weeks before Anybody really has that and if there's zelda's on them and they haven't announced a zelda game yet Well, guess what's going to happen at an e3? We're getting a zelda game, you know, right? Tada, yeah um So yeah, I I actually um I'm very curious What this could be or what what zelda thing could be at the game awards if anything and I'm very careful like we'll talk in future episodes here But I don't want to just limit our nintendo taco at the game awards to just zelda, right? I think that's obviously, you know, that's what's floating out there Parts of the law to is up for an award So it would actually fit really well to show breath of law to after like say if it if it won Most anticipated game would be awesome to follow that up with the trailer trailer slash Perfect market by the way nintendo if you find out ahead of time that it's going to win Get on that right name drop Release date you think you think jeff kealy will turn down a late edition breath of the wild two trailer who is show No, he'll fit it in. Oh, yeah Find a way he'll find a way for sure to get that in So I would say well the I what do you expect them to do as I really feel like I'm confused a little samus hunter basically for those who don't know this is just this is what I've been I've been told by samus hunter and I know there's a lot of people that don't like her as a leaker And there's other people that do like her because she has had a lot of stuff, right? Is based on what she's told me she gets all of her information from marketing from nintendo of euro um And that's fine So if she knows the zelda 35th anniversary is happening at the game awards That means she's seen marketing material for zelda 35th at the game awards But the marketing material could be very vague it could literally just be the zelda 35th like a logo Yeah, just be a logo like it could be very vague so might not tell her anything Right, right other than zelda 35th anniversary just happening at the game award So that's like how she would know okay It's going to happen because I've seen ever advertising for it, but I haven't seen what they're advertising specifically yet um So If that's the case and that and that part is true What do you think because it's she basically I don't know anything else, right? I haven't seen marketing, but you also haven't by the way I haven't seen marketing material for you know, she conveniently leaves out I haven't seen marketing material for the win maker issue You also haven't seen marketing material for breath of the wild too either and yet you're saying that might happen So it's one of those now we can do and we confidently know that game exists Right, but you haven't seen new marketing material for so so my thing is Everything she says after Saying the 35th legend is a little anniversary is going to be at the game awards. There's going to be something Everything after that is just her spec your speculation and she doesn't really know anything for sure because she told me she does so What do you think's going to happen? What I'd like to see No, I know will never ever ever happen. What do you got? We got I'd like to see a performance of the Like the opening title song of breath of the wild And then have them not tell you that's what it is. Yeah Then what what what what what if what if they they did that and then like everyone's like man, what is this? This sounds really cool. Okay, can we hear some salvication? Okay, cool. Is this like 30? What is it and all of a sudden the screen turns into the opening screen And then title screen for the new game with the title That would be sick. That would be freaking awesome. That would be phenomenal. And even if we don't see anything else, right? They don't show any more footage of the game Just the name with the title screen the open world Title screen while playing the opening credit, you know, but like the like the breath of the wild sound like the opening number Do it for a while too and then reveal a freaking name. That would be sick. That would be awesome Then Nintendo you should be hiring us on how to would reveal things for your games I'm telling you we would make people hike to sell people people wouldn't stop talking about Kirby If you would have let me need me tell you how to tease that Kirby game Freakin I mean it almost looks to me when I saw the trailer like for Kirby. It almost felt like a zombie wasteland So get Kirby like really dark in zombie wasteland and then Yeah, baby. Yeah, um, okay. So what else? Or do you think that's that's what you want? What do you think will happen? I could just see some breath of the wild or It's 35th anniversary comp music. Yeah. Yeah as they're as they're as they're announcing what What games are going to be released for the Zella 35th? They'll have like an orchestra in the background playing the theme songs for that said game Yeah, I could see that Kind of a talk over the orchestra type of thing where they're revealing what they're going to do for the 35th type of thing. Well, what will they reveal then? I mean The ports from all the all the uh, we we you games. Yeah, we again. Okay. So the one with a gray sheet Yep, um one surprised me if they went back to like Majora's mask things like that brought them forward um, I don't know There's so much they could do A zella 35 game. I could it with mario. Yeah I there there is a lot that could do Um, it's just did they really pull that all together in six months? Port wise sure. Yeah, we already know that we you ports don't take them um, but I It'll be interesting It's really going to be interesting to see what if anything happens and again, this is where we have to be careful This is where we have to hype responsibly might be a little teaser some coming on sunday. Um Need to hype responsibly because right we don't know for sure. There'll be anything zella This is one person. We it hasn't been corroborated by other leakers Um, and we don't know what there would be there if anything So we have to be careful and get it too high for zelda because zelda is obviously my favorite franchise Um, breath of the wild is my favorite game all the time Uh, but who's my home most hype game of all time? Uh, without having actually played it breath of the wild became my most hype game after I put them But well breath of the wild two I'm saying is based on my experience breath of the wild is my most hype game Um that i'm looking forward to But we do have to be careful because we don't know that anything will be there and i'm not gonna be I I can tell you right now. I will not be disappointed at the game awards if there's nothing zelda there. Oh, yeah, for sure Because there doesn't have to be now. Well, I'd be disappointed if nintendo doesn't bring anything good Yeah, yeah This is a very big advertising opportunity for nintendo who has a console that's at 100 million units They are now officially in china and the chinese markets watching the game awards There's probably going to be over 100 million people watching the game awards It is a very bad on nintendo if they don't take advantage of that marketing opportunity This marketing opportunity is bigger than e3 I don't know if people realize how big the game awards is Viewership wise it is massive and it's worldwide And nintendo now has their platform in every major market So there's no reason for them to not take advantage of this Um, so if they have nothing major if they just talk about oh, yeah, we got this upcoming brain game nintendo Come on man You'd be better you'd be better off advertising ring fit adventures coming to china than that bringing back brain age Women they are they are they have a brain game coming that that's basically the sequel of the brain They do they factually do I just don't want them to be like that's what we're advertising here That's our major. That's our major at the game awards man One of pain in the butt, right um, so I want to be careful there. Oh, yeah, but also zelda, baby, right? I always get hyped for zelda. I'm trying not to yeah I really I really need to hypersponsibly so hardcore. You need to just get tattooed on the forehead Hypersponsibly just tattoo it, right? Oh my god We'll wait till we have a betting special that that's the punishments of tattoo. Oh god So it's kind of like do doors my car I have hype you have And we're always like, what do we do? Hold on hold on Hypersponsibly Oh my god, that would be that would be hardcore Yeah, man, we've even taken our bets pretty serious if we're if we're gonna throw some tats on there You never know maybe someday. I'm okay with like certain tats in like certain areas as long as the I would say I would say if there ever was the the loser we had to choose where the tats was He's not like, oh, yeah, it's going on your forehead. Yeah.   Just so you know, it's the trifle Welcome aboard with an arrow pointing down. Oh my god That's hilarious um Yeah, so I don't know. I I think it's kind of a neat thing. Um, we'll see what happens Obviously, we'll have more to talk about the game as we get closer to it. Uh, jeff kealy always likes to tease things They'll start to be rumors and leaks and yeah and stuff like that as well So we'll uh, well we'll have plenty to talk about. We did do our betting special. We have everything written down So, um, it should be it should be a lot of fun. That's uh, by the way our next event our next big event Um, so, you know, we have our podcasts every week. We have other other streams I do but we have prime giving this sunday coming up at 8 30 a central time we were giving away a switch old lab bundle with it with the Some extra stuff with it including a satisfied grip. Um, we got some zelda game of watches a switch light We're being able to give away a special edition Uh, thanks to the contributions of nintendo academy. They're gonna be coming on the show for a little bit to talk Um, and so a whole bunch of other stuff. We're gonna be giving away. So that's happening at 8 30 P.m. Central time you're gonna want to be there live. We do have an inch a separate entry form for the grand prize though Uh, but our next event after that is actually december night Uh, for the game We'll be doing a free show post show eric won't be there right away at the beginning of the of the free show But he'll be there probably sometime before the game war starts And then we'll go from there. We know the game wars is stupidly long Like we'll probably go on over the midnight because that's just what and the game wars We know that they'll be now it's taking their Oh, yeah, some of their wars will be in their free show. So like hopefully erics here in time for their free show Well, yeah, it's it's gonna be we're gonna kind of play by your there But we'll we'll try to make we'll do our best to make the game wars fun as well What I can say is the game awards is usually well, it'll be better than e3 entertainment wise Uh, so I don't know I I don't feel like I need to provide as much entertainment But we'll we'll have a few things happening to try to like, you know, make it more fun Like we'll we'll be doing some fan polls Um throughout the event I'm getting a lot of feedback that way And and trying to make it as interactive as as we can so so basically you enjoy your time watching the game awards with us here Um, because obviously you can always watch them on their own But we hope that you choose to enjoy them with us prime prime giving Prime giving is is is an unexpected thing on sunday this upcoming sunday this upcoming sunday Like it's it's almost here. It's wednesday, you know, we got Thanksgiving tomorrow and then three days later. It's prime giving time. So yeah Um, it's gonna be it's gonna be awesome for that Uh, as uh, if you want to know when the game awards events start, I don't know yet because we don't know the exact hours of the game Uh, once once the hours for the game awards are announced that I could set up the stream Uh, we'll go from there Um, Verizon 5 g's that go always remember. Oh gosh. Um, yes it is All right, uh at this point, um, I don't mind taking a few uh fan topics from the chat or a few questions If you guys have it before we wrap things up here on episode 27 Um, so just be sure to ping uh at nintendo prime in the chat and ask Um, you know suggest a topic or a few questions. Maybe you guys want to answer before Eric and I head out of here Um, so let me know what you got here guys Um, just just glance and have the chat a little bit breath of the while all dlc included in in japan Yes. Yes. They do have a dlc bundle in japan includes everything for breath of the while Kind of crazy that they have that here, but they don't have it in the united states You know think of all the different versions we've had we've had a version with a little guidebook Like I don't know why we don't have a version that includes all dlc at this point Granted japan hasn't had it very long either, but it would it would make a lot of sense Uh, if we don't have any fan topics or anything that's that's that's so cool. We can um, yeah I mean we can just kind of oh El dodger wants to tell us that a birthday is tomorrow. Nice. Well, let's let's see if that Let me see if the happy birthday autotune is gonna work I don't know if the autotune's working. We'll find out in a moment Happy birthday to you happy birthday to you happy birthday Ellie Dodger Happy birthday to you Hopefully it worked because if it didn't then I kind of used a little bit of the birthday rhythm there Which means I'm going to get copyright claim because the birthday song is copyright claim Um, yeah, it can't sing people happy birthday on last year anymore with the with the normal beat. Yeah So it worked cool. Good. See I like when it works because autotune changes it up enough that I don't get copyright Well, happy birthday. Um Let's see here Um Koopa Slayer says do you think we'll get another new 2d zel the game for the switch I'm going to presume by 2d. You mean top down I know we trust me. I've been a part of the zel the fan base for a long time We used to describe them as 2d and 3d, but that was always an incorrect way to frame it It's top down And then it's hard to describe the other one is anything other than 3d, but right Third person, I don't know. They're all third person. So top down and Consoles all the but then there's top-down count. See. Yeah. Yeah, whatever. Yeah top down and 3d. I'll just stick with that Uh, do I think there'll be another top down zel the game? Yeah on switch Yeah Look forward to 2023 for that. Yeah. Yeah I think gresel's working on one right now. What do you think? Yes or no? I could see it Or do you think it'll be not till next gen? No, I could oh depends on what the next gen is. Well, remember they said we're at the midpoint So it's another five years. Yeah, so then I mean Yeah, I could see it. I don't think current switch is gonna last five years Now if there's a switch road like it's released, maybe right Let's see here.  I like the consistency in your videos and streams. Well, thank you Nice. I try um Any uh any other questions uh log in the block wants to know do we get a new mario card next year? Remember, we haven't had a new mario card since we knew I know it'd be nice But also mario card eight deluxe is not only the best selling switch game. It's the best selling. It's the best selling mario card Yeah, it just And they keep bundling it stop buying it then we will get one stop buying it everybody then we'll get one. Yeah I would like to say, um Yes And it would be huge I mean that's a that that could push switched 150 mil Easy So I don't know. I mean if we're truly at the midpoint Then sure you would hope then second half of switches life right on with mario card nine, baby Make that the best selling mario card game of all time.  Yeah, you hope What what what's the skepticism on them being done with mario card? No Because they haven't freaking released one of them forever because they didn't need to because it resold They just repackaged the one they made on me because we you tank Technically we don't have a brand new Zelda game on switch either. Yeah, I know So we're not getting a new one of those. They already know So yeah, of course, we're good. That's just like saying oh because next generation they just port smash bros ultimate And just packaging all the dlc that we're never getting a new smash bros gaming. Yeah, we are They don't sell 20 plus a million be the best selling game. They've ever made and then not do it again Yeah You and the he's always a skeptic. It's just the way he is. He just likes to push my buttons I'd much rather be to set myself up for disappointment and be Surprised than So the web was all this business about the play in the beginning trailer music for I just said that's what I want. Yeah, you're building up the really mean I that's my question is gonna happen anyway, um Uh, I don't think we're gonna get one next year, but I mean you can't can never say no um Timothy uh comes in it says your podcast is amazing by the way I would love to see a more mature zelda movie game or show a game that wouldn't be worried about violent death and things like that. So um There's a lot of death in zelo over the years. Um, there's death and skyward sword. There's champions. They all When you play the dlc Sort of see them die um So like I think what you're asking for is for zelda to not be respectful to what zelda's always been Um, I understand wanting to more mature. There's been really mature theme Like super mature theme dealing directly with death. Like it's doesn't really get more mature than that uh, but when it comes to um, you know the violence like a violent death You know when you're thinking of the mortal combat style death or you're thinking of some of the Or some of the action movie deaths that that happened out there. Um, that's not what zelda is So it's almost like you're asking zelda to become something. It's not Um, I think it could it could definitely explore a more mature like show slash movie setting Sure Of the focus of the action shouldn't be on the Like the veracity of the violence Because that's never been what zelda focuses on and now you could argue That's because they're trying to appeal to the most wanted people and that's fine But I think I think that's kind of asking zelda to be something. It's not so I would definitely not want to see violent deaths Sort of be part of it. No, you could argue. You could argue. There's been violent deaths In the wind waker you literally fly up in the air and stab a sword through the air under his head I mean That's pretty violent That's pretty violent You're not wrong But there's not like the blood gushing gory stuff everywhere and like that's just not what zelda's done Now there's been blood in zelda, but it's just not been like that And I don't think we should ever expect zelda to be that way I think that needs a stick to the games that that that belongs in um Again, you could be mature without having lots of gore and Um, you know emphatic violence like that doesn't actually have anything to do with maturity In fact, some of the most immature experiences out there have that Maturity levels aren't based on that Yeah, so But it's fine that you enjoy that stuff. I just don't think it fits itself personal thing. What do you think? Yeah, no, I don't see them going away from what they've done I've seen a lot in the comments. It's not broke. Don't fix it I mean Don't fix it. I don't even know if I would consider that Hey, I think it's just fundamentally changing the gameplay of the game Like adding the veracity and violence to the combat changes What the combat is about No, I don't think that fits, you know It's kind of like, you know, when you kill a bokoblin, you know, you blow over the bomb Yeah, it goes flying But it's not like it explodes into a billion body parts and they go flying all over the flying nuts everywhere Like there would be in reality you blow off some of the bomb. That's what would happen But like it doesn't do that that doesn't change how fun it feels Definitely doesn't change how mature it is. Yeah, it's just uh This is the way Zelda's always been so why why why change the combat's never really been the problem So why, you know, they've already made changes in the combat by the way breakable items and all that They're making common sense changes that advance the series Sometimes in ways people don't like Versus focusing on just having violence to have violence That doesn't really They're really jive. I mean, I can understand. Maybe you're saying you want to emrate a Zelda game I Get that but what would make a Zelda game emrated?  They're not going to suddenly be naked They're not going to suddenly be doing anything else that deserves an emrating besides the violence of the combat So I yeah, I don't I don't think it really fits to be honest and I'm saying this is a 35 year old that really enjoys this kind of game Yeah, um Like back for blood very gory very violent for sure, but I expect that from that game, right? That's the kind of game it is What I'm just trying to think of what there was the three um Zelda games that weren't like On cdi games. Yeah, the cdi game the only way I could ever see like a more mature Like maybe getting away with one of that would be like an actual like another cdi type game But it was still officially licensed and they didn't even do that right But that would still nintendo would have never let that fly. Yeah. So yeah, I don't I don't it's just not gonna happen Now you could argue like they could have a witcher style show But maybe with less gore sure Um, I would love to see a more mature take on zelda in a show or movie format like a live action I don't know if we're ever gonna get that. Yeah, but I would be but that's also separate Because you're not gonna you'll be marketing like if the zelda legend of zelda tv series happens on netflix or something And it's like, you know, advertise the synchronize the witcher. Well, then it's being advertised to teens and adults It's not being advertised in the same way zelda games are necessarily so But that's all hypothetical it's kind of like chris pat me in the voice of maria. Who ever thought Who ever thought that day was going which apparently news flash It's phenomenal according to the people that that that are working. It's phenomenal. I didn't see that That's crazy You won't believe how phenomenal that maria voice is it's like I mean, what would I expect you to say it was bad? Yeah, right? Like it was absolute trash It's like when you hear that it's like, oh, yeah, apparently it's phenomenal. Oh, man It's getting even more hype, but it's like You realize that these are the people behind the movie that are not going to say anything negative You can't come out and say they're not gonna say well. Oh, you asked about the voice. What's he supposed to say? Yeah, we're still working on it. Well, that's not good, right? No What's supposed to be like it's about next year, right? Yeah summer 21st So, yeah, we're still working on it. It's phenomenal Like they're they have you can't believe you need a a third party that has no vested interests And whether it does well or not you not the people making the movie, right? So is the voice really good or not? I don't I'm sure it's not as bad as people think maybe it's worse It could become a meme unto itself. It's very It's very possible that they think it's phenomenal, but the rest of the world If it's not good, if it's not good, it at least is going to give us a lot of memeable moments Oh, god, yes, you guys remember the cdi games. What do we remember the most for youtube poop and memeable moments? Yep, if the voice is really that bad and the jokes are really that lame. Yeah, we're about to have Years decades essentially of mario movie memes and that alone will be worth this movie Yeah, or it'll all be good and then cool. We've got the beginning of the mario multiverse. Yeah Nintendoverse, baby Um, did you see anything else people want to ask a little bit? A couple of them just kind of Left them together. Sorry.  Um, do you want a mario galaxy three and Do you think we'll get a luigi luigi's mansion four next to you? That's a big batch. Um, so mario At the game awards. I always think it's possible because mario does have a more universal feel I don't think that's where they would put a cart game. I also don't think cart games need events like this, right? Um, but an odyssey to drop Something like that. I mean that would be on a left field. I mean you figure there'd be some sort of rumor or And the thing is you could argue does mario need that kind of marketing, but No, but it will show well. I mean it will show it. It'll be a showstopper. It'll should be a showstopper kind of game Um, and that's a variety and you never know.  Uh, no, I just mentioned mario galaxy three. Um Yeah, everyone would love another galaxy game. I don't I don't think they're ever doing it So I would say that's more of a pipe dream fan wishlist.  I just don't see that Uh, as for luigi's mansion We're definitely getting a fourth game. Oh for sure luigi's mansion three sold basically 10 million copies We're clearly getting a fourth game. It is the most popular luigi's mansion ever. They're not going to just let that popularity go um well But will it be ready next year like next level games is basically the only company that makes them Will they be ready to go next year the last one came out in 2019? um, that would be a three-year gap if it comes out how you know October ish next year that which would make sense for the luigi's mansion So they'd be able to three-year gap. That's enough time to get one may but most of it came during a pandemic Yeah, um, I don't know how I don't know how much next level games is affected by the pangit them By the way, they're in canada's I I have no idea what things have been like up there. Uh, so 2023 Maybe then I'm I'm confident luigi's mansion four is in the works. Yeah I'm I just can't confidently say when it's going to come it would Logic tells you next year makes sense But that's not being considerate of the pandemic So 2023 probably makes more sense And I know some people are worried about well, when does it not make sense because there's a new the next generation platform I hope we never get to a point And we've been at this point every time That they're going to hold back the release of a game because there's a new platform. Yeah I want them to take a page out of sony's book Okay, yeah, PlayStation 5 came out last year. Yeah, we're still gonna give you the last of this part two We're still gonna drop ghost of shishima.  You can play it on that platform. Anyways, two Well, we'll just make a remastered version and put it on there. Anyways, you can rebuy double that Like I'd rather Nintendo go that route than just like nope. We have to just have nothing released for a year So we can prepare for a launch of a platform It's like no you you there should be a an exclusive at launch But you don't have to hold back your entire library Like if you have it done like luigi's mansion four is done for switch But there's gonna somehow be a new gen one in 2023. It's like so release it on switch That tends to be Nintendo's M. Although I know that's what they always do. They let platforms lose all relevancy Complete. Oh sales are down. We're we stop making games for it. It's dead for two years I wonder why sales are down. You haven't released new two years and then they launch a new thing That's like, oh, this is a sequel to the old thing. Yeah, that was that was relevant two three years ago But isn't relevant today way to go. How does sony maintain their sales because they maintain the relevancy Through the life of the console Yeah till the very end They don't just let it die and sometimes pass Yeah, so but so one other question quick uh Would you count sparks of hope as a mario game at the Game work if we see stuff from sparks of hope so that could be No, no when I think mario game. I think may mario. I think may not spin off So like not mario cart not mario golf mario tennis mario party Mario plus rabbits mario plus sari at the olympic games all those to me are separate They're they're part of the mario universe, but they're They're the spin-offs of that mario universe rather than the main brux of it And by the way, I know that mario kart at this point is actually the most popular part of the mario series And I totally understand that spin-offs can be incredibly successful. Right. That's not the debate The debate is when I think mario game you're thinking man Do you think we will see anything with parts? So I'm hoping so But well, I'm thinking on the dlc they added to the original um sparks of hope ended up selling really really well I mean it sold like a nintendo game. It was it sold Um, you know, sorry kingdom metal. Yeah, so I think it sparks of hope and it showed well. Yeah It's one of the highlights at e3 Well, it doesn't take much Ah, that's a while too was there. I I know I Xbox had some good. There was some stuff. It was just so spread out. Yes That was the problem really. Yeah, the same criticism I had for jeff kealy For summer game fest the year before is the exact criticism I have for e3 Ironically did it in a much shorter window. They they E3 you had a day or so rise in 5g um That's a joke. I kind of want to get a Verizon 5g banner Instead of putting up e3 banners next year if we do a show like that just put up Verizon 5g This that's like rise of 5g everywhere We're gonna walk in where Verizon polos and everything. Yeah, I made our gaming better Guys, I spent a year our gaming's better because of Verizon made the channel better Verizon 5 are you guys actually sponsored by this? No, no, no, no, no 5g everybody That would be a nice move. That would be a nice move. We're not sure how it made our channel better They didn't describe that to us, but we know it made it better Especially if we make it like all tear away stuff So we do like a little running spoof on it then Eric, I can't do this anymore rip off tears down. Oh, that's what the set really looks like Think we're just gonna advertise Verizon 5g this whole time Because that people might turn two knocks.  Yeah, and I just look at you say look if Verizon 5g took over my channel I got that bag folks. Yeah, they paid millions Mmm Yeah, okay Verizon you want to offer that you can take over my 8th show Yeah, I'll give you I'll give you a segment and then quickly apologize Right after it's done. Oh, that was the paid portion of our podcast I'm really sorry for that But they paid me 4.3 million dollars. So how about we take a million of that? Let's do giveaways the rest of the God God, I'd be like so who wants a Lambo? Oh, man Um, okay. I would be 6g at that point, right? Yeah, right. We're we barely have 5g towers up. We want the 6g um cool, um Let me see here I didn't see too much else. There was a couple other um Like uh kuba slayer said what if Nintendo had a surprise new Mario game announcement trailer with a 2022 release To go along with the teaser trailer for the mario movie next year at the game Which probably we don't even know the mario movie's getting a teaser trailer I would say the fact that they have basically said the movie's done Yeah, um There there is and obviously jeff keely mentioned there would be gaming related movie trailers and some of that Which we know the last of us will probably get a new trailer there. Um You know, I wouldn't be I wouldn't be surprised if we have another trailer for spider-man there Yeah, just because it comes out that month uh, so I I could see that stuff and I could see a mario movie I could see the the debut of the mario movie trailer being there It's not getting talked about a lot, but it kind of makes sense for them to do that Even though it's still a year off. It's kind of one of those Yeah, but people are worried. Let's let's show them with confidence That we know what we're doing. Yeah, and even if it's just like a 30 second trailer and we don't see it again for six months It's a name It's not even the name. We just think we need to hear mario talk And we need to see something about it that makes people either just lost a gut laughing Because you're going all out with the comedy and it actually worked And we're like, oh my god, that's amazing or Makes people not think the movies a joke because right now it's kind of running as all this movie is going to be a joke But if it's a good joke, that's okay So we need to see so it just needs to be something that instills initial confidence Which by the way, it doesn't mean the movie's going to be good But this is again, I think there is a chance we do see it and it would be fitting if we got a mario movie trailer with a mario movie It also might be fitting if we got a mario movie trailer that ends with donkey kong talking right into the donkey kong 40 Maybe the announcement from the donkey But I mean, yeah, I feel like you can't announce that don't come movie yet until people are sold on mario People need to know the mario movie is going to be good before you can be like, oh You should have signed up for our next one And then when the mario movie flops and you're like, are they really going to do donkey kong standalone when mario flop? That might get thrown off the thing We're going to have to slap that merch link in there one more time Merch link I saw somebody say merch merch. Yeah, it's not it's not working right now I got I got to fix the bot for that. Here's the merch link. We don't have a lot up right now I don't have any podcast stuff again working on but we hey, we have we have desmets Yeah, I got actually some of those in the studio. We got some desmets. So um Cool stuff Uh, all right. I think that's probably for episode 27. Sounds good.  Let them know you love them. Uh, if you don't have any family, um We'll make some babies and I don't know I'm not I'm not here to give you a life advice like that.  So we're gonna have a good time. We'll see you guys on uh, Sunday Well, I'll technically see you guys Friday Because I I'm planning to be doing a game stream that night. We'll kind of Play it my ear on Friday because it's also like a shopping day And I don't know what's going on with Julia. 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Yeah Get next gen systems So Food and Eric Anyway, sorry keep thinking of uh, dammit and you get another place to survive dammit and you're gonna switch all that stuff All right, folks. Uh, you guys are awesome. Thank you so much for tuning in. It's been a lot of fun Um, I know some uh, the only other note I want to make is some people are waiting on the audio versions um I'll have an update about the audio versions here. Um before the end of the It might be changing platforms or there's a lot of um talks behind the scenes right now Uh, so just wait for now Um, I'm I'm sorry I know some people prefer audio because they save them on bandwidth even though you can listen to this On audio would just not watch the video, but um for now Uh, I apologize to those that want to do audio. It'll be something that I I will take care of Eventually and we had a one more super check I can't Anthony cat happy Thanksgiving. Oh, thanks, man. How much was it five five? Five or we'll just take a good old chug from the old miller time. It was the uh, it's it's the footlong $5 footlong, baby. Yeah All right, thank you guys for tuning in. Yeah, catch you guys after Thanksgiving. Uh, I by the way I plan to have a video tomorrow Well, see y'all go the thing is this is a holiday week. So news has been very light Yeah, so I do have a few discussion video ideas, uh, but we'll see if I get around to tomorrow Otherwise, I will have a video on a Friday and we'll go from there. You guys are awesome And I'll catch you in the next episode of the podcast or you better see you guys at prime. Give me baby Yeah, better be there Better be there be there or be square He's up later