Welcome to Out and About on the Think Tech live streaming network series. I'm your host David Tosaka and delighted you are joining us today where we explore a variety of topics, organizations, events and the people who fuel them in our city, state, country and world. As a disclaimer, any views or opinions expressed by me are strictly my own and not connected with any organization. Joining me in the studio today is Willie Jones. Willie Jones is a world traveler enjoying many cultures and customs in many lands. A Magna Cum Laude graduate of Park College, Parksville, Missouri, Willie holds a bachelor science degree in business and human resources. He is a professional speaker and trainer. In August 1997 Willie reached the pinnacle of success in the world of public speaking. He was named the world champion of public speaking by Toastmasters International. Willie travels all over the United States, Europe and Africa conducting seminars, workshops and motivating audiences with his unique keynote addresses. While not traveling the world speaking, training and consulting with groups large and small, Willie can be found doing volunteer work for local community organizations especially the elderly and special needs children. Willie is a private pilot who enjoys flying airplanes around the Hawaiian islands. He also enjoys building computers and teaching others how to use them. Welcome to the show Willie. Well, thanks for having me David. I'm glad to be here. What is your bliss in life? My bliss? Well my bliss in life is making life better for people and this planet one day at a time. I do it on a constant basis. I do it professionally. I do it in my personal life. I believe that my task is to leave the world a place, leave the world better than I found it. Great. Tell us a little bit about your growing up years. Oh okay. Well, my dad was in the military in the army. I was born in Alabama and so I was a war baby and I grew up all over the world. I lived in 11 foreign countries and I've lived in seven states. So at the age of 16 I graduated from high school and joined the Air Force at the age of 17 one week after my 17th birthday. Spent the next 20 years traveling around the world in the intelligence business. I went to Vietnam for two years and retired as a master sergeant in the United States Air Force and finally once I became the world champion of public speaking I launched a speaking workshop and seminar career that I've been enjoying now for the last 20 years. Okay. All right Willie, tell us about some of the things that you've done recently that gives your life some exciting and motivating energy. Wow, well not just recently but my life is motivating all the time. I tend to be an adventurous person and as I said I enjoy speaking to people, I enjoy doing workshops and seminars but I mostly enjoy trying to understand and to help others understand the whole process of communications. I found that in the world that we live in today we communicate less and less face to face. We communicate on social media, we communicate via device, we communicate via text and so communications is one dimensional. All we know is what we are able to read, we are unable to pick up the emotional part of it, the body language and all of those things that are often times much more important than what it is that we are reading or what it is that we are looking at on a text. So my goal as I continue my own journey is to help people understand that we need to maintain our ability to meet and talk face to face.   That is quite a interesting litany of words. I can see that you have speaking down to a science.  So I had to change it at last minute and you were right, I won with the new speech. What happens in the world of communications is often times people believe that when you see someone and you say something to them, a communication has occurred and often times you say something to someone but they don't understand what you mean. You think they do and then conflict begins. The whole point about communications is there's a lot of things going on. Let me give you an example. So I walk into a room. Now if you look at me, I'm an African American man, I'm rather large. So someone sees me coming to the room and they already have a bias against African American men, for some reason let's say they have a bias. So immediately their subconscious mind is going to start saying danger, danger, danger even though I'm not dangerous. That is already a judgment that they have made and it's something that I, if I want to communicate with them effectively, I need to overcome that. But I don't even know that they're feeling that way. So I have no reason to believe that they have a bias against me. So I approach them as I normally would. During the whole process, this may take two seconds. And I'm now standing close enough to the person to speak with them. And I would soon notice that they're a little bit uncomfortable. Now if I don't notice they're a little bit uncomfortable, I'm probably not going to get much done. But if I understand communications, I'm going to put the person at ease in some way and hope that we get to a place where we can start to communicate as we both drop their bias. Let me add that I may also have a bias when I see the person that I walk into the room. Let's say the person is seven feet tall. I may have something that I think about seven people, people who are seven feet tall. So we both approach each other already having made judgments about each other and communications is very difficult at that point. The person who understands communications in that diet will be able to fix it quickly and move on to having a productive communication session. That's how communications work on that level. It gets even more complex. However, it is something that we have to do in terms of being relating to each other as human beings. We have to communicate. We have no choice. Tell us about how you came to be a pilot. Oh, you know, when I joined the Air Force, I wanted to go to the Air Force Academy, but for reasons that no one ever told me, they did not allow me to take the test and go to the Air Force Academy. I have my own thoughts about that, but let's let that aside. But I never lost the desire to fly airplanes. And the way I got that desire is as a child, I would sit on the step and I'd watch airplanes flying overhead. And I would wonder, why is that airplane flying? Why isn't it falling down? And I would think about that, but I had no answers. So I would wind to my dad and ask him to take me to the airport so I can watch airplanes. And he'd say no, and I'd say, OK, I'll wash the car if you take me. And so I'd wash his car and he'd take me to the airport. So I had it in my mind as a young boy. So I spent 20 years in the Air Force. And a couple of those years, I was on flying status. So I was a crew member on an airplane. And as I was on that airplane, it just drove my desire even deeper. And I knew everything about that airplane. I truly believe, although this is not true, I'm sure, in real life. But I'd sit on the airplane and I would say, if the pilot gets sick, I can fly this airplane because I know the checklist. I know where all the levers are. I know all of this. And I'm not afraid. Of course, that never happened. I'm glad it didn't. But that was a fantasy that I had. So I retired from the Air Force, got a job in real life, was driving by an airport in Oakland, California one day. And I saw a sign that said, learn to fly here. And I pulled into the parking lot, walked inside and asked the guy, what does it take? And he said, well, it's going to take about $3,000, $4,000. And well, that was way back in the early 90s. So that was a lot of money. I didn't have that kind of money. I said, so what does it take for one lesson? So he told me the price was one lesson.  I flew in one lesson, and it was everything that I thought it would be. It was exhilarating. And so I said, OK, I'm going to do this. I went to the bank. I borrowed some money. I started taking flying lessons. And I started in 91. And I didn't get my license until 98 here in Hawaii. I didn't train all the way through, but I'd run out of money. So I'd run out of money, and I had to go back to work and make some more money. And I'd take more flying lessons. However, it culminated right here in Honolulu. In 1998, I jumped in an airplane with an FAA examiner, went up and flew up near Wheeler Air Force Base up the H2. I did some maneuvers for him, landed at Kalailoa Airport three times. And he said, take me back to Honolulu. This was about a 45-minute test that you have to do. I landed in Honolulu not knowing whether I had passed the test. And he got out of the airplane, and he shook my hand and said, congratulations. You've got a pilot's license, so that's how I did it. And I haven't looked back, although I can't fly jets. Well, they won't let me fly them. I can fly them, I'm sure. Not really. I have a friend who's my flight instructor here when I first arrived here. He is now the senior pilot for Hawaiian Airlines. So every time I talk to him, I make him tell me things about flying the Airbus and flying the Boeing 767. So I still have some contact. However, remote, I still have a little bit of contact with flying the big jets like I wished I could. Tell us about your win at the World Championship of Public Speaking. Well, you know, winning the World Championship of Public Speaking, I lost the World Championship of Public Speaking in 1983. I was in the contest in the final nine on the stage, and I didn't win. I didn't place. I didn't show. And I didn't know why I didn't win. I knew why the winner won, but I didn't know what he did either. But he did something. During his speech, he did something on the stage, and the wave of energy came over my head, and the hair stood up on the back of my neck. And the audience embraced him in an emotional way because I could feel the energy. At the time, I didn't know it was energy. I didn't know what it was. I just knew something different had happened. And he won the contest, and I said to myself, this was in 83. I said to myself, if I learn what he did to win the contest, I can win this contest. And so for the next 14 years, I set about to learn it. And what did I learn? I learned that in order to be a great speaker, the first thing you have to do is you have to, first, know your audience. Secondly, you have to pick a topic that the audience is probably familiar with, or they're going to enjoy, or they're looking for information on. There are different reasons you talk to people, but it always has to be in a way that they're going to get something out of it. Thirdly, you have to be able to use your voice, your body, gestures, and all of the things other than words in order to manipulate. I say manipulate. It sounds like a harsh word, but you're actually moving the emotions of the audience around and get them to love you. Basically, it's what you're doing. So I learned all of this. And in 1997, I said I'm going to try again. I never tried between 83 and 97 because it wasn't ready. In 97, I said I'm ready. And I started the process. And there is a five level speech contest. You have to win five different levels in order to get to the final stage. And so I won all of those levels. I got to the final stage. And it never even entered my mind that I would not win the contest. Never crossed my mind. That must have been really exciting for you. It was exhilarating. And I think that the key thing, though, is that I talk to people when I coach them about public speaking is you have to put in the work. You can't just declare yourself a great public speaker and don't put in the work. It looks effortlessly when I do it, but it's not because it is effortlessly. It's because I worked on it for years in order to get to a place. It's like watching pro athletes. I watch pro athletes. And I said, wow, that looks easy. You see Tom Brady throw a touchdown pass. And you think it's easy. You don't really think it's easy, but it doesn't look that hard. And you have to think about it for a minute. He is by head and shoulders above all the other professionals that play the same position. And you listen to him talk. And he says the same thing, you have to put in the work. You put in the work, you get good results. So I believe that the whole point about winning anything or being a champion in anything is understanding the basics of it and then perfecting your own unique style. I'm not a facsimile of any other speaker on myself. And I don't want to be less brown. I don't want to be Tony Robbins. I want to be Willie Jones. And I want people to say my name, not say he sounds like someone. Although people tell me I sound like James Earl Jones and I don't mind that. What are some of the things that are coming up for you in your path of really being a speaker? Right now I'm working on a seminar on two things. First, I have been so concerned about ethics over the last almost decade. You don't hear the word ethics used in our daily conversations anymore. You don't hear anyone on TV talking about ethics. And I believe ethics, again, in a civilized society, you need ethical people. You need people who do the right thing because it is the right thing to do, not for any other reason. And I believe that in the corporate culture, I can go into these corporations and I will help the corporation and its workforce understand how critical ethics are. Because most of the time, if you're working for someone, there's no one there watching you. There's no one there holding you accountable until something goes wrong. Well, we don't want anything to go wrong. We want to minimize it. And I believe that a person's word should be their bond. I know you remember that. I remember that. I remember when you could shake someone's hand and you could take it to the bank. I want, and people may say that's old school, but I think it's essential to our society. So I'm working on a seminar in a workshop and talks about ethics. I'm working on things about workplace conflict, conflict in the workplace. I'm working on things that has to do with race relations because when I was in the military for four years, outside of my being in the intelligence business, I talked race relations. I talked about women's issues. I talked the military people about those social issues that are bubbling up again in our society today. And at the time, this was in the late 70s, or the late 60s and 70s, when all of these things were in turmoil in our society. And so the military had a need to have a stable workforce, a stable military force. So the Pentagon put out the orders for everyone to attend these seminars. I happened to volunteer and got chosen to do these seminars and I had to do a lot of research, but I learned a lot. And as I look around today, it seems like many people didn't learn anything because here we are again talking about these issues as if they're brand new and they've been around for a millennia. You've helped a lot of people in your career. What kind of things would you recommend to a person who is thinking of perhaps embarking on speaking as a career, speaking in the workplace, speaking as part of their job? What are some pointers you can give to our viewers? Number one, have something to say. Let me say it again. You have to have something to say. Oftentimes a person is a boss or a person is a supervisor or a person is chosen to stand up and say something and they stand up and they'd really have nothing to say. And so if you're going to be a deliberate person who's going to present yourself as someone who is imparting information, then again, you have to prepare, you have to have something to say. The second thing is you have to believe what you're saying. I'll say that again. You have to believe what you're saying. I'll tell you a story. I was had a publicist and they were telling me that I could become famous and get on the Oprah show if I allowed them to brand me and they wanted me to focus on a certain area in our society and they wanted to label me an expert in that area, write a book with my picture on the cover, have people endorse it and all of those things I could give them a check for a 15,000 and we would be on the road and they said, you'll have the 15,000 back in no time. Well, I thought about it. And the reason I thought about it is because at the time I wanted to get on the Oprah show and I didn't know how to get on the Oprah show and this seemed like a conduit to do that. But as I thought about it, the thing that stopped me that this may sound simple to a lot of people but it'll help you understand me, I was one night I was thinking seriously about it and I asked myself this question, what would my mother say? If she saw me on television talking about something that did not represent me or the values that she taught me or if she saw a book with my picture on it and I didn't write the book and I could not find a reason how I could possibly explain that to my own mother. And I said, nope, can't do it. So I didn't do it. So I would say to someone believe, to have something to say, believe in what it is you're going to say and finally have confidence. I think that more than anything else if you can instill confidence in a person or if they can find confidence in some way. And you know, confidence, we all begin with confidence. If you look at a two-year-old, a two-year-old is the most confident little thing in the world. You know, they're fearless, they'll do anything.  So the confidence is there by DNA. So where do we lose it? We lose it by people around us telling us we're not good enough and pushing us down. So these things that shape us as we grow up, we lose our confidence in our own self-worth and we become smaller in our own shell. Well, if you're going to be on the world stage or on the stage talking to other people, you got to walk tall in your shoes. So you have to be willing to stand out there and take the risk that you have something to say and it's worth whatever it is feedback you're going to get.  When they say to you, don't go to the left because you should go to the right, have them give you a reason for it. I was talking to someone the other day who was a student of mine. They said, why do you always insist that I tell you why I'm moving a certain way? And I said, well, if you are a speaker and you're on a stage, everything you do should be, have a reason. You shouldn't wander around the stage. If you're going to go to the left, why are you going there? And so I said, it's all choreographed and once you choreograph it and you practice it and you get it down pat, it won't look choreographed at all. It'll look like natural movement and it will be natural movement because you've incorporated it into your whole persona that day. So it's confidence, it's knowing what you're talking about and having something to say are there three things that I would start with. There are other things, but those are the three biggies. What do you do for fun, are they? Oh, fly airplanes. And I live on an island here in Hawaii. And trust me, I love this island. I'm never going to leave. So I'm adventurous. So how do I get adventure on an island? Well, there's hardly a road on this island that I haven't driven on. And I will, and when I find a road, the other day I was at Wheeler Air Force Base and I had to go out on the base to look for something. And there's a lot of roads on Wheeler that I've never driven down. I spent half a day driving down roads that I had never driven down just to see. I drive around the island. One day I had a visitor here from the mainland and I was doing the island tour like we all do. We got to a place and she wanted me to stop. I didn't know what was there because I'd never stopped there before. It was a place that sells orchids on the other side of the island. And so I don't know anything about orchids, but she did, obviously, so we stopped. So she and the person at the orchid nursery, a farm, whatever it's called, started talking and it was like two old friends started talking and they were talking orchid talk. And I'm listening to what they're saying, not understanding pretty much anything, but they spent two hours talking about orchids. And so when it was over, I said to her, I never knew, I knew this place was here. I didn't know orchids had a life like this. I didn't know orchids had a world wide following. I didn't know orchids could be expensive like. So she said, yeah, there's a whole world out there about orchids. I went home with my adventurous mind and started reading about orchids. I never bought myself an orchid because I've killed cactus plants, so there's no way I'm gonna buy an orchid. But I learned, so I'm a person who's curious. I've been curious all my life. So if I see something I don't know anything about and I see that often, I'm the one that's going to spend time figuring it out and figuring it out to my satisfaction to where I can say, okay, I know a little bit about that, I can move on.  I didn't have to speak at all in this program with a gun forward. Oh, I thought we were just starting. Ah! Ah! How about giving us a couple thoughts that we can take away from your life? Well, I think that we are, we're in a curious time in our country. I lament the fact that we're not building the 21st century in the United States, that we don't have, in China they have trains that are running 400 miles an hour right now. They're using new materials, building buildings. All of this new technology that's coming out of the world, China has the money to buy it, so people are investing in this stuff in China. That bothers me. It bothers me because we ruled the 20th century. You know, America was king of the mountain and although we keep seeing that in the 21st century, we're not, you know, it's not true. And so I want us to climb that mountain again.  We have to know how. We have the ability. All we have to do is say, just like Kennedy said, we're gonna do this. And then let's do it.  Can you imagine a train leaving Los Angeles and traveling across the country to New York and almost nothing flat? Why isn't that going on? You know, and I keep, every time I ask the question, of course people look at me like I'm strange, but I'm used to that. And what I say to people is, you know what? When Kennedy said we were gonna go to the moon, they laughed at him and guess what happened? Well, we're here today with Willie Jones, my good friend, mentor, super nice guy and everything. I truly appreciate you coming out and sharing your ideas about everything. I appreciate you having me. We're at the time and we're out of time and we'll have to wrap it up. I'm David Tosaka. This is Out and About on the Think Tech Live Streaming Series. We've been talking to Willie Jones, business owner and professional public speaker. Thanks for tuning in and we welcome your feedback. Thanks to our broadcast engineer Ian Davidson, our technical producer, Ray Sagalang, our floor manager, Robert McLean, and to Jay Fidel, our executive producer who puts it all together. I'll see you here every fourth Monday at 3 p.m. for more of Out and About on the Think Tech. Aloha everyone.


When a person, for example, we take our own example, when a person goes through an absolutely unexpected experience which he has never thought of, he has many kinds of reactions and many kinds of impressions on two things. That is, his mind and his body. That is, when a person goes through such an experience which he has never thought of in his life, and in the condition of this way, if there is no relationship with the things of the daily routine of the worldly life, then it is a very obvious thing that has many effects on his body. Zat-e-Rasool, sallallahu alaihi wa alaihi wa sallam Ghar-e-Hira, you had chosen only because there was complete peace, there was no human being there, there was no such creature who could be in his peace, in his worship or in his daily routine, or should create any kind of distraction while he was praying or he was staying in the cave itself. Now, in such a situation, there is no human being, there is no such thing that has been seen, there is no experience of seeing something like this before. If a angel appears in front of a person, then the angel should hug the person for the first time, then he should start reciting the ayat, and then he should say, Now, this was the requirement of the Wahi, that Prophet peace be upon him, sallallahu alaihi wa alaihi wa sallam, bar-ha, after Wahi, that Prophet peace be upon him, sallallahu alaihi wa alaihi wa sallam, bar-ha, he had to repeat this ayat. Now, look, suddenly a angel appears, suddenly this act of his, suddenly this requirement of his then what can be the effects of the human body? When the Prophet sallallahu alaihi wa sallam, was going through this act, then the effects of your body, the effects of fear, were being effected. Until now, you have started to feel anxious, as if a person has a very high fever, along with that, Prophet sallallahu alaihi wa sallam, started to sweat a lot, apart from many effects. The Prophet sallallahu alaihi wa sallam, was very tired, he was feeling that his body has become very tired, and many things have become very feverish, it is very difficult to describe these things in words.


We'll go back to part three. I don't listen when I talk To our watch along of Krish obviously if you haven't seen the other two parts, please go check those out before you start this one But If you watch this on YouTube, you can see very cut-up version if you'd like to see full-on cut version Then you can have a patron I'll put the link in the description in the pinned comment for you Go check that out and at the end of this one. We will talk about the movie and review it, right babe Tukabar I beta Tere papa ka shaad Welcome to the future Rithik will get you for doing that to Rithik Mast man Who the hell are you? He's a killer. I don't know. I'm just a computer start Or smear. They come over What do you ever see David Hasselhoff swimming in the SpongeBob movie? Run real. They just in the tree already waiting for him. Probably just in the trees. They just play in the trees It's ready That means he's already on the island It's a kaboom a car make it a power key Planning key sir Stealthy, you can get me a future. Thank you. Oh, it's my rock cookie. What are you? Oh, I don't know They only look identical I've got a mask on you can't see it I don't know You can't make it south. No good. What a help you were Priyanka Love your dad Abhi pata chal jar Give the mom a heart attack. We just bring her son back. I give some warning After 20 years, it's like SRK's mom and K3G Well, there's a lot of time songs obviously at the end as you know I'm glad they shouted out the real hero of the movie at the end there I was waiting for my man Jadu to come in. I just wish he was there. I do wish he was there And if he hasn't if he's not in the other ones That's ridiculous Hold on What'd you think I? liked it I feel like this one is not because I feel like I feel like the first one was very much Kid-friendly. Yeah, I feel like this one was not It wasn't like not like it was like bad or anything. I just feel like the initial one is more Light-hearted. Yeah, maybe Yeah, yeah, no, um, I Enjoyed it. I thought I was always confused as to how after seeing it How they got to Obviously he has to he stole the powers at the end of Koimi Gela but I Was wondering I was like, okay, how are we gonna get to actually being on so I thought it was actually for you know Early 2000s Bollywood pretty seamless In terms of that aspect Always it's always good to have a good villain Who monologues? Right to camera. I did right. I enjoyed the right to care. I don't know what that was Every time it was like breaking news breaking news. I want to try one of them It'd be so easy to do because it's just a close-up shot. Yeah. I want to do one. I think that his look and The style of his fighting was very much Matrix. Yeah Matrix was late 90s early 2000s Matrix inspired. Oh easy. Yeah, 1989 I was when the first one came out and then Matrix were loaded in 2003 and then probably the other one right before this even because I mean he had the Shiny leather trench coat. Yeah, and then it was like super fast. I've only ever seen the first Matrix you showed to me probably five years ago now But at the after I mean it changed action After every single movie had that slow-mo bullet thing. Yeah, whatever. It's called the Every movie every single one And so yeah, I could definitely see some inspirations from that in this I Thought it was it was in joy. I mean I Prick's character was Especially at first. She was a trip man. Yeah one just good damsel and distress vibes fully Yeah, when you first were introduced to her she was she was a lot. She was a lot and then she just kept lying Like I feel like If if she was a guy and He did all that stuff. Maybe be like it's toxic. Don't be with this guy. He just lies to you all the time Was toxic very toxic Ruth you but I don't know people are saying that But I thought it was a lot of and it was actually it's still kept with because I was like, okay So we're gonna go full-on action in this one and There was action, but it really wasn't like what you would normally expect from a superhero movie in terms of the action there's probably like 15 total minutes of action in this the rest is love story and Backstory and Yeah, I mean you could easily watch this one without ever seeing I wouldn't recommend it No, no because you need to know Jadu definitely the real hero We all know But you could because they cover all the main points that you like I definitely yeah You there. Yeah, you definitely could because they even go in the flashbacks. Yeah, but I think you'd appreciate a lot more if you Yes, I see it Songs were were nice Obviously, there was a lot of dated stuff obviously from being That's awful to say but almost 20 years ago Yeah, like when you were two years off from 20 years ago for this movie jumping on Yeah, the boats you could like yeah, Lisa. There's some data like CGI dated action Obviously, they didn't have the budget that they're gonna have now To do everything and so but I expected all that from being a 2006 and so it's kind of Like it took away from it. No, no, no, I Enjoyed it. I didn't expect what I didn't expect the ride of the bat and the Rithic to be so No, it's supposed to think dead. Yeah, pretty was honor said dead I didn't expect that because I also I thought it was gonna be him. Yeah, I thought he was this And so I guess it be kind of makes a little more sense if it can make sense at all Oh, it came out the day before my birthday Yeah to be his kid in that hole so does he continue on playing Both roles in the I'm guessing. I mean, I don't know how you'd recast will also look is this I Don't see I Sorry, I don't see Krish too. I Only see Krish three Is this Krish to is there a way you can like That's not it. Can you like pull up the franchise and see movies in Krish Also, um, is there like merch Duke, right? Can you buy the can you buy the mask? Oh, that'd be cool Cuz this is super cool. It's actually a really cool. Look. Yeah, so I'm This is I don't know. I'm guessing it wasn't a planned thing because this is the worst named Because So it's Queenie Gila Krish Krish three That doesn't even make sense Yeah, okay, so that's why it was only coming out that way. So that's the second one. Yeah, so this is Technically Krish two even though it's just Krish I just don't even understand why you couldn't call that one Krish two Because it's the second Krish also. Yeah, cuz Krish wasn't even in the first one. No Queenie Gila Krish Krish two. Why'd you go to Krish three? That doesn't even make sense. Maybe it'll make sense when we see the movie, but I don't think so That's weird, that's weird But it also came out a long time after this one 2013 so After this And you said the fourth one's already out. No, it's being made Pryanka's in this one. Oh can Ghana is in this one. That's cool. Nacir is back. I guess that's cool How maybe as a Flashback No, I don't really want to read this and I'm sorry. I'm not reading this. I'm sorry I was just I was just confused because I was on IMDb and I was like, where's Krish two You just watched it. I did. I did just watch it Krish four pretty Mama's coming back has to be a flashback Reika's signed on Nasee wait Isn't this you're not dead Good piece of glass through Maybe maybe Chris should have shot him maybe you should have shot him But it's good that the you got a good villain back. So that's good As long as he continues to say breaking news and talk directly I think it's one of I think it's a good series to Zach would love this. Oh, he would love it because he's because he's Like he's a good guy and who would love it. He would love this series He loves good people and he loves superheroes Yeah, and he saw Rithik and war There's an action movie so he's a spy and you like doing a lot, but I thought they did a good job Rithik was fun. Obviously. He fits the superhero very well Is this like the only legit superhero movie we've seen out of India? Oh, no, we saw Manal Manari But that was more modern and it was smaller. I'm gonna talk about like big scale This is one that was as good that they're doing it now Because you can update it with actual good CGI and action But I also Since both the first two were still a very kind of story driven In terms of like there was a lot of it was just back story and getting you to care for the character and And it wasn't like obviously especially a first one that was an action at all.  I I feel like I have heard he hasn't came back yet I just feel like Yeah, I mean they alluded to it there at the end. I mean, yeah, so clearly they can still communicate Just come come back home. Yeah, buddy. Yeah, lots of fans But I mean we okay technically he wasn't it because the flashback did show him Yes, he did but it was just copy-and-paste.  Let's say they brought him back in Krish for So you have all the net modern VFX He was not a mom. He was not a he was not a Modern looking Because it was just I'm guessing a person in a suit. Yeah, but I love him So they're gonna have to do it like Star Wars does it? Yeah, how Star Wars obviously all the people are in suits. It's not So I got to do it like that. Yeah, I would be so sad if they like CGI'd him Keep the same exact mold. Yeah, you had before don't change it. Yeah, don't don't CGI him Oh Anyways, I liked it. Yeah, I did too. I thought it was nice I'm trying to figure out like which one I like more but they're very different They're too different. They're very very different because this one would be like I even move for an action even though it's Predominantly not actually that's why I was trying to say second half is more. Yeah But I was trying to see at the beginning like I feel like like even though they're I mean obviously they're They're in And intertwined with each other. I just feel like Their tones were completely different. Yeah like the I Just yeah, they're just not like you can't really pick which one was better because they they They're two completely different entities. Yeah I think I could probably watch Queenie Gila more Just because Pranaka would make me mad Also, I was really not expecting you to say that when he came in too.  They killed off a lot of his friends in this Yeah, I mean his only friend The guy at the end that was helping him and then there's oh, yeah, yeah, yeah the guard guy that was really good friends with his dad But yeah, I enjoyed it. I had a good time Krish three and I'm not gonna read this in obstacles here, but it's Rakesh Roshan Rithik's father Same one I directed it. This one came out to Wally of Truth, I actually really love that it's called Krish three I really love it. Queenie Gila Krish. Krish three. I really love it Maybe it's because there's three Krish's is his dad gonna suit up and then we're gonna have a little baby Krish maybe baby Krish or Jadu dresses up Yes ideas, please put that mask on Jadu. It's like the Guardians of the galaxy, but with Krish. I like it. I Think we should do it. I Think we should do it Anyways, I hope you enjoyed our watch along. We enjoyed it watching it He's in like a Falling city in the third one. There's Krish on there too, so The Bollywood bucket list I think we're behind anyway, but anyways, I hope you enjoyed the watch along if If you'd like to see the full on cut version of this because instead of the cut-up version on YouTube You can have it a patreon apple and good scripts below in the pinned comment. Let us know what the next Prithik Roshan film obviously will watch Krish three I Think you should be called Jadu Jadu two Jadu three.  We all know it Anyways, let us know what the next watch along should be with Steph I hope you enjoyed it and anything else we need to do down below and All the things watch along


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Hey everybody, I'm Jesse camp and welcome to Street Rock on this episode. We are Today's episode fantastic guest 1998 if you watched MTV like I did you know this guy They had a contest called find a new MTV VJ this guy wanted Jesse camp. Hey guys. This is Jesse camp. You're listening to Van Halen man. He won the contest became a VJ was a smash hit all over America You're gonna find out what happened how he got that gig his childhood Everything it was fantastic. He's above ground. He exists. He walks the streets of Hollywood talking and rocking Jesse camp we are outside of so we're doing a podcast Doesn't know we're here yet. We're just gonna go up knock on the door Kill two birds with one stone. We're doing the podcast and and doing this show Yeah, live in the Hollywood Hills right here at rock and roll How are you guys? This is an insane house. Is that even plugged in dude? No Oh, I got you just go there. Yeah, it's a prop bike word is out like the candles of rock How are you guys man killer? Oh, it's epic to see you. Hell. Yeah. Thank you so much for having me this guy Look at this guy. Let's go in the morning disappoint. No way. Come on in man.  All right Let's see what you got tough check you to check Yo, check it a check check check the one two check check check Uh, what's your chord black?  Yeah, okay Quick check here. We'll be partying You like to party? Yeah, what do you like to party? Yo, okay, what's hot? Okay, there we go All right, here we go. Let there be talk Uh, I got a crazy guest today. Um, I did the live podcast a couple days ago at the My factory with Jim quarantine.  That's right man in the flesh now And excited as hell to see mr. Dean del Rey in the flesh.   Yeah, this is like amazing This is mini michael jackson house, dude. Oh my god. Do you you you have an ape like a bubbles type thing? I do you see him over there, man. His name's squirrel He's that chimpanzee, but his name's squirrel How many bananas does that vo vo go through a day? Yeah, see this is exactly how I thought the interview Crazy setup you have here. You have a whole pool in the back with live flamingos. Yeah, I swear This is like insane. It's like las vegas in the hollywood hills. It's amazing. Dude, you're filming it. They're looking They're gonna be looking at it going.  Yeah, what brought you down to the show?  You play there a lot I'm at the comedy store every night and the laugh factor about twice a week But what brought you there? Did you know it was a rock show? Well, um, I'm good I'm not gonna say good friends, but I I'll put it to you this way. I Love jim florentine. That's right. He's a great guy, right the greatest guy and like there's just But I'm kind of picking up that vibe from you too But he jim florentine's like one of those guys that you uh, you just look at and he makes you laugh Like just just seeing his face. I'm thinking like what is he thinking at his head? And then he's weird kind of out of tone voice, right? Yeah, absolutely No, at that, of course, you know, I mean, I was a huge cranky anchors fan And he he did arguably the best character on that, you know, hey, it's my birthday.  I'm an MTV vj the next day you hear about me You know, like, uh, opening a humongous high rise in Dubai, you know, I mean, uh, Now, wait a hold on a minute now So you I remember what was it? 1998 right? The inner contest to be a vj on MTV at the time vj had some weight You could get some bj's. You could get some chicks, right?  A vj could get a bj Right.  Yeah all my subsequent craziness and I want to talk about that because growing up I grew up in the 80s and uh, where are you from originally San Francisco Bay? That's right and you do a lot of great you actually guys honestly you have a lot of great material Oh, thank you, man. I had a friend that I was telling her about you and then uh, yeah, she was she's Yeah, that drag queen now, but now I'm I'm glad that didn't work out because I'm glad it's just you and me But I I mean you have another I have another podcast subject for you if we could get her again. Yeah, yeah, like Crazy, well, some would think you're a drag queen Well the truth Dean and no one knows this but I'll let it out here is that I was born a hermaphrodite, right? And so, you know, like much like Jamie Lee Curtis, right, right, you know, I get it By the way, you want to know the number one yogurt in the uh In the hermaphrodite community. Yeah, it's activia And that's all because of Jamie Lee Curtis's endorsement those activia people, you know There are a lot of hermaphrodites out there and they're pooping regularly with that activity. Is that right?  Yeah, it's going to be the 15th uh anniversary Of the release of my uh first record that I know we're jumping way too forward though because I don't want to get into that Yep, okay here. Let's get into it 80s. I'm watching mtv.  Yeah ricky rackman head bangers But what are those other guys they were actually like five downtown julie brown at in the beginning you had martha quinn Yep, uh, nina blackwood jj jackson. There you go Um the guy with the afro Mark mark curry maybe mark curry and then alan hunter. Okay, there you go. There's the guys those are the guys that started it They launched it.  I'm down that much more poignant and it's interesting because I mean You know, we live in a digital age, you know And so I mean you have to really understand basically, uh when I was at mtv it was 1998 And it was like the very last era like where people would buy like, you know records and CDs, right? Right, right, right, but they had that stuff like, um I remember like that you they would have uh during the day you could vote for a video every day to win Remember that like to keep that video going to rl. Yeah, and that's that's a big part of what I did at mtv is um it's I was in there during a really crazy period because uh, uh, you know for the first year of that show rl, I was uh What, you know the the guy in the street, you know, that's right. That's right.   I get it In a lot. Oh, I could tell you I'll give you 100 the facts. Yeah, let's get into that of my economics and This is some interesting stuff. Yeah that I grow up in the east coast. I feel like I'm on a first date It's good though. No, it's good. It's good because you gotta understand the magnitude of mtv if you're growing up Let me explain where I'm from and geographically and in my upbringing's long story short. Um And I won't give out my mom's maiden name or my social security number while doing this, but um, basically my um My name, uh, my birth name is Josiah holding camp the third right and I grew up I was born on harford connecticut. I grew up in grandby connecticut, which is like right on the uh Uh rich neighborhood. No, no, I mean decent though It's like a suburb of harford But there's a big difference between being a suburb of harford and being like a suburb of like greenage or stanford or some Because like like we were like basically like 10 minutes from like massachusetts Like so it was kind of grandby was a town that was on the cusp of like, you know working class But then I had like some rich people too, but my mom and dad were both teachers And uh, my dad was a history professor and then my mom was like the principal of the school of the elementary school in my town But Long story short, my mom was born and raised in the netherlands and then she came over to america when she was 19 And then she was like taking like a and then my dad was a little bit older he just started uh Teaching at the university of harford connecticut and then she was She wasn't a student in his but they met there and so yada yada yada, right? Anyway, at what so basically the whole mtv story right with me is Not so like I I was a good student my parents um Probably brought in about like 120 grand a year back then which would be like a you know the upper middle But I went to a great you see what changed my life is I went to a great private school Like for high school and that's the shit that people grabbed on to right right because you created a character That you were a street kid. Yeah, and uh, but I really became one and the thing is is uh, you know, I was one of the yeah But by the time I was doing the mtv thing, you see I was 18 and when you're 18, you know And you're so into a movement, you know what I mean like I was like so into the street kid Kind of like vibe and aesthetic that I did like actually forget in my head. Oh, yeah Yeah, but I think what was even cooler about all that is just for that time period. Um You know, how much stuff I was able to get over at mtv Basically, the thing is is that like they didn't do any research No, once I won this contest mtv put together like this half hour special about my life Yeah, and you know and the thing is is um Yeah, I mean it was all a head trip because they did really kind of create a character, you know The day created or did you oh? I 100% created it because that made them think it was me right if anybody Is like a kind of an Andy Kaufman. That's right. That's right was like a real life Andy Kaufman Well bobcat did character, you know huge comedian my bobcat created character Different people create characters and as much as they want to fry you when they find out in your mind You're not going to get it as a regular guy. You need to pop out.  I'm going to enter this contest and I'm going to come on as like a Well, the thing is is that when I was 18 I was like a mix of uh crazy confidence and um See the story really starts when I was at that private high school, right? Which was actually such a cool school because basically it was like the high school in my town Was cool was like kind of deadbeat. But like, you know, this this school was like It was like half day students, which I was and then half borders kind of like an art kind of school or Almost like an art. Yeah, very much an art school I got into acting and theater there and then basically like my senior year of high school I had like a a scholarship to for an acting program at UCLA. So my mom and dad thought that um I was going to basically go there, right? But I um You know and so and then at the same time I had an older sister marisha And she'd been going to nyu for like two years But she dropped out kept some tuition money without it getting back to my mom and dad somehow so basically like You know like the my mom and dad We had a sicko gas card and the mobile gas card and we were on our way basically right after I graduated high school Gas cards are the key to the city, right? Oh, yeah, because uh, I had one like I was dead broke But my mom gave me a shell card and she'd like if you get in any trouble Just use the card and then once they put those uh, those little markets in there Now you're eating you can get cigarettes. You can get beer, you know Yeah, oh and check this out if you have a Listen, I think that the sicko gas company maybe is not as prominent as it was like 20 years ago Back then yeah, but I mean it's an east coast station.  You could like just shop at the seven You could just live on these gas cards The deal is is that the bill would then go back to my mom and dad exactly what happened to me too My mom would be like what the hell $200 gas bill and I'd be like I need to survive You know, that's funny.  We really need to get back home Give her parents a break from worrying a little Yeah, and so then my sister was totally fried when we got back But she had been living in New York the last two years and and it seemed really interesting to me So then basically like in march I started like what I would do is I would take like the I would basically go to go into New York City Hang out there for five days take the bus back on the weekends recuperate and do it again And I had some weird where are you hanging at it like the limelight and shit like that Um clubbing or what's going on? No, not even clubbing man.  You got drugging and stuff Yeah, am I in my own way? Yeah, but not, you know, innocent stuff. Yeah. Yeah. Just weed or something. Just weed. Yeah Right. Yeah, you gotta be like You're but it's all new and it's so exciting. Now. Listen at this point I had explored like everywhere else in the country from like Dubuque, Iowa Well, not everywhere, but most everywhere I was really like hip to the road and stuff But New York was like this new urban crazy cool adventure. So anyway, basically like two weeks I'm in Like MTV announces this contest that it's like anyone who wants Can like, um, you know come down to their Times Square studio and try out to be a vj Right. And so I was like, you know, um, yeah, like who's not going to do that, right? He's not going to do that. Also the thing about how I changed my name to Jesse is that, um, Basically, I remember on that road trip me and my sister we we'd gone to Graceland Yeah, and she you know, my sister had an Elvis obsession and he had a brother named Jesse And you know, we were just like wow, Jesse that that's kind of the coolest name and I was like, yeah That's the dopest name. So then when I entered the MTV contest, they asked me my name Said my name's Jesse cam now in your but I did kind of create a care You know, like did you have the character in your mind going to the, uh, audition?   Yeah. Yeah. Yeah people 99 cents right 99 cents when I'm on the road now doing comedy I search them out, you know, and you'll score an iron mate and peace of mind or something But uh, yeah, like a lot of people don't understand like you can see in my house I got a shitload of rock memorabilia and it it it's Are we going to be lucky to go in there after just for a minute you can see it here right here You know like there's bell buckles.  Oh god. Yeah, dude. Look at me I got to tell you another interesting story. So like when I was in this is pre-empty This is like november of 1997 So motley crew are under generation swine tour. Yeah, who's singing on that? Is that vince? Oh, he's back And I'm gonna tell you this Generation swine is my favorite motley crew record. Really? Well that you know what I always say afraid is their best song I always say it's whatever record you discover the band on usually has no, I knew them man I remember buying dr. Feelgood on tape cassette tape cassette.    Oh hipsters don't want that. They want stuff like maiden Judas priests.    I'm hardcore. Yeah, give me a bet and let me see if I can name All lead of ford's albums Okay All right out for blood Right dancing on the edge. That's it. That's the one they wouldn't take but go ahead You gotta let go Isn't that on there? Then I think There was an album made with tonia. My only tonia.  I remember buying this on tape cassette On the same day I bought steve vye passion and warfare. What? Yeah, leader ford stiletto. Yeah, which one had if I close my eyes forever That's leader leader. Yeah, that's leader leader. Yeah crazy. Oh, yeah. Yeah Is your oh, yeah, you've got to close your eyes for a man Because it's like a palm of my hand Like a dagger Put the blood through my veins Will it all remain the same But then you know what other song was on that one I went to a party last saturday night. I didn't get laid. I got in the fight. Oh, yeah It ain't no big thing Right laid for work and the traffic was bad had to borrow 10 bucks from my old man. Uh-huh It ain't no big thing, but you know what I like.  Finally thing Final thing is that stiletto was followed up by arguably leader ford's best album Dangerous curves.   I think I was on fucking you're probably into some grunge at that point Man in the box, but you know what that's an interesting thing is that like in from nine Like if you were to take a lot of the the biggest hair metal bands Yeah, and the albums they released from like 1993 to 95 you have so many undiscovered gems But that's when you do have the motley crew Self-titled with john kriby. You have tesla bust a nut You have like cinderella still climbing I mean, I see here's the thing. I'm a huge rock fan.  You know what I mean, which one though the later ones Uh, and I think because I don't just give up on bands I always clown on people like, you know, like right now kings of leon Like how come nobody's buying kings of leon?  That's like a tag one in the tempo. Yeah Take one for you Yeah, that one. That's a good album. It's not bad actually, but what I'm saying is Uh grunge came at the right time. I think oh, yeah, no, it's all good You got to understand them where where I came in Is like I um when I was in high school, listen my freshman year of high school Kurt Cobain killed himself, right So, um, basically coming from that point. It was a weird like 95 96 was strange Like the grateful dad were huge where I was at like Dave Matthews stuff. Totally. I got really into punk traveler Yeah, and that horde stuff that kind of yeah.  Just trust a farion rock Yeah, then basically towards the end of I mean and then you had bands like bush Yeah, I remember a couple of times see I'm a huge comedy fan like even um, like being in high school And like when my sister was living in new york, she would I had the best sister ever She would get like standby tickets to Saturday night live And then so like, you know, but this was like when Saturday night live was in that like post chris farley building Yeah, who was the like like it was like will ferrell's like second first It was like will ferrell's like first year. Yeah, he's right Yeah, you know, I mean like so, but it was like the only time in s l history when it was actually easy to get like tickets Yeah, because the people didn't know who the people were. Yeah, I got you and then later It gets red hot again and turning it in during that time period I remember going down and seeing like Robert dandy jr. Host Oh, that's yeah, I remember seeing like bushes the musical guests are like that was that weird period So you go to the audition you step up to the camera and what do you do?    Uh-huh that gets us back to, um, jim florentine Yeah, oh, yeah don jameson finds you here.  Yeah, you know what here's the here's the other thing you got to remember And this is a big thing to like the story is that this all happened Pre-american idol right pre the voice. Yeah, pre america's got pretty kim kardashian suck and it's pretty kim kardash this isn't this is 15 years 15 years ago pre all the reality show So the fact that mtv was doing this was Groundbreaking groundbreaking effect mtv doesn't get the credit it deserves in reality tv because i mean they started it really with the real world Right. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. I mean that was it. I mean that was Really, uh, they and then then what they did with the osborn's was really revolutionary. That was another great thing That's what killed. I got to be a part of Right. It killed it, but the times killed it.   They made mtv 2 They made all these other mtvs So if you buy the expensive cable package, you could still watch like 24 hour video Again, but the thing is I think that they didn't adjust to uh, like Live by the kid die by the kids, you know what I'm saying If the kids are united, they'll never be divided. The kids are your audience. I understand that That's why they had vh1 for older people, but they have that one station right now Do you remember when vh1 was seriously like saline dion and michael bolton videos? I do I do that was kind of cool hauling oats and hauling.  They're playing every video ever made and I realized that they had like these Eight hour cycles and then they'd repeat it another eight out like the same eight hours. Yeah 24 hour thing So I'd get like an eight hour video tape and like record eight hours of vh1 classic at some point during the day every single day I still have like a box of like a million vh1 classic videos So you go in and then they're skimming through the tapes and don jamison is one of the like guys watching Yeah, don jamison is one of the people. Um, you know pick in Contestants working at MTV at the time. Yeah, Don. I guess Don was ambitious and you know He was probably 10 years older than me. Maybe he was in his mid 20 late 20s or something He was working at. Yeah, he was he was working at MTV In production or something and so, you know, wow, they saw my tape and then a couple of people were like, no I don't think so, but he was like, no, no, we need to We need to have this kid. Yeah Anyway, well, he saw a vision that I would see too, which I see Like right now going on in comedy If you have all the same stuff all the time and you bring back a different flavor people will grab onto it You know what I mean?  You have people talking and that's what you need over a vj So he saw that problem. I mean, you know, I don't know if you know this dean But you know Russell brand has come out several times and said, you know that I'm his number one influence Is that right? Yeah for real. Yeah, I've never heard that but that's real. Absolutely. Wow So, you know a lot of what I did laid the groundwork for avril Lavigne Wow, and you know, I mean I was kind of like ahead of my time You know just a little too early, but then there were there are a lot of factors Let's let's talk for one minute now.  You have the same kind of stuff You have the exact kind of boots skinny jeans, you know, it's that g and r appetite look exactly I know the look I wore it myself 100 and I love that you still rock the look which is cool But when you uh When you went for the audition was that your look or did you fabricate it like I'm going to go in as a rock and roll guy Like an old 80s. No, no, no, you looked in New York. No, no, that's how I looked. Yeah And why did you look like that?  They're not what they were No, no, because it's worth money now, you know, yeah But I I know what you're talking about.   You've got your look Yes, you go in. I'm jesse camp. What's up?  What's scary is that after all these years Like I had a time period like like like probably like two or three years after the whole mtv thing where I really saw the magnitude of like Oh, oh, you know, I blew this I didn't blow this but I could have made this so much cooler But just actually having been myself, but that was a trouble having that happen like when I was literally 18 Well, yeah, I mean like holly shore created the wheeze People but right and here's the thing is I think psychologically Um, you do intrinsically know that it's much cooler to make it 100 from the street up, you know Then it is to kind of take a fast break and this vj contest was going to be my fast break all along My plan was um, my big dream, you know coming out of high school was to form like like a new motley crew Or like a new air smith, right?  Yeah, I did sing but I mean I I played guitar I played the saxophone. I played the drums and you loved hanoi rocks loved hanoi rocks That's interesting that you love motley crew because you know, right razzle kill Vince niezel Drunkenly killed razzle somewhere in hermosa beach or somewhere somewhere, but I I never I never say he killed anyone because you know it goes and this is a true Oh, yeah, listen, I have five vehicular manslaughter charges pending. So I understand what it's like Well, what I'm saying is I feel bad for the families whenever you drink I'm just kidding. And in fact, I just the minute I made that horrendous joke. No, I've No, no, but what I'm saying is honestly, I never tried fucked up in the 80s when you're partying The other guy's partying with you. It's not so if he had the car, he would have drove But you know what can I tell you something? again I'm kind of sitting here like a grandpa because I'm thinking about how beautiful the times are now I mean we There's a lot that I miss about how simple times were like in the 80s But then I mean it's amazing now in 2014 I believe that too. Vince niegel could have just gotten on his iphone and called himself a uber. Yeah, right?    They've got a guy got to get that dry ride before someone gives me a bad review So those guys are gonna kill I tell you an interesting thing See, this is what's great about a podcast. We could tell all kinds of we'll get we're we have our main narrative Yeah, we've got our main thread Our main thread is but it's okay. Yeah, all those like the way I gotta tell the audience You definitely came over stone because when I open the door, you just smell like weed, right? So that's cool.  Which is nice All right, I mean, I think it must be coming from your neighbors No, I mean, I love this. Yeah, of course I do. I hope so. Oh, yeah I just didn't want to have to go into a whole drug history. I can Let's get into this now. So you get They're voting for you now jimp or uh Don Jameson Yeah, so that basically they narrow it from, um, you know, like 5000 people to 10 10 and then and so basically This is between a monday and a wednesday and then like that's as long as the vote's going That's how long it takes for they have auditions.  This is pretty cell phones. I had the number of like my sister's, um roommate, uh from college and so like I gave that as my contact number and so then I called from a pay phone Just to see she was like, oh, you got to come over here right now MTV just called and said like, you know, you're one of the 10 finalists Wow, so like, you know, she put me in a cab sent me to Times Square.  I go through the line. I'm like, hi. I'm you know, Bob. They said to come they're like Oh, yes, come with me now. You're doing the voice now. No, I'm not doing the voice. Am I okay?  I became that character I mean, I I really took an Alice Cooper type trip with that character Now what made you do want to do a voice? So it's what I'm saying Why not be just you right here jesse because you're already because I hadn't figured out who I was at that point Yeah, just nervous you want to nervous character to hide behind I get it That but also that it was basically like that's kind of what I did to win the contest Right now you're locked in Well, you know, all I was thinking going into the contest is let me kind of like do this character Let me kind of you know, I was purposely stupid In a way that I knew would get laughs Right, I get it and when I when I saw how successful this was going, you know, I'm like, okay Shit, this is my way in I can tell you like the day after the contest was life changing I remember taking like the path train my sister came down to like see me by this point MTV I put me up in a hotel and so Yeah, I mean it was a world would it was from like Nothing to everything like overnight who um Had basically uh, he had managed run DMC in the beginning and he had managed like uh Ed lover and dr. Dre and michael munroe from hannery rocks right some random things And so then basically he was my manager This guy was also kind of actually like instrumental in keeping me at MTV because there were a number of times You see, I mean my character got really big.  You can't be safe and fake, right?  Well, here's the thing is that um I mean, I don't really want to get into finances, but you know, I'm actually really I'm at I'm at I'm I'm very good financially now, you know in a place where I can kind of just live my life And I don't have to worry. Yeah, you know, but um Basically, you know But that's from like my hard work the last like, you know, a bunch of years But I was gonna say that basically like Where I made like the majority of my money from that time period wasn't really from mtv But it was um from a publishing deal that I signed with record deal. Oh record. Yeah. Yeah, so you got a publishing advance on the songs Yeah, did you sell your publishing? I think we went like 50 50 right right with a bunch of co-co right, you know, basically on that album I mean the album is a great album. I mean and we had a signed Hollywood records, which was disney's label They had the scream Who signed to rachel matthews? No, um, rob cavallo rob cavallo. There you go huge a and r guy huge a and r guy his dad bob cavallo Signed prince and was prince's manager forever and basically it was a really interesting time at hollywood records. They had Like you said, they had the scream and basically since the mid 90s They were trying to make a name and get like a breakthrough act in in 1990 like eight rob cavallo took over So it was perfect time We basically um met with two record labels based from like a I did a two song Basically charlie stettler the manager knew a guy rick brownie and he had produced like poisons first record and faster pussycat and stuff and Ted nugent and so um, he put together like this band which was um Share from the band vixen. Yep Joe and bam from a band dogs demore and then this uh, other guy who's amazing alex kane from this band life section I know alex kane. He played in my band dude for six months That's you know alex kane. Dude. I can't believe it. So alex kane never brought me up Dude now here's the thing. Uh, this was before the 98. This is uh, and mike varni goes Hey, this kid from chicago is pretty good. Check him out He had a beard. He looked like ted nugent Uh, he flew out We picked him up at the airport. His beard was gone and we're like, whoa, this guy's scary looking He had some like number 805 or something tattooed on his face and uh He played with us for about I don't know six months and then we're just He played a few weeks and then went home and we said, yeah, we'll get it going and then he came back out It didn't work out. But anyway, wait, why didn't it work out because I know this guy Yeah, he's an amazing player. But the thing was time, but he's we were more of a g and r kind of band And he was a heavy cheap trick guy, which was like what what lsd was and uh, also later My my drummer played with alex this guy eddie ruder and they played together and had a band and eddie also played in lsd Um, so fast fast forward a couple years later alex's band gets this deal And we go to concrete convention over at the burbank, uh, airport.   He looked like Uh, basically he looked like Elvis Costello, you know what if you lived in the garden The thing is the thing you got to understand is that the character and me Were really There was okay. I'll tell you everything so you know the only thing about like me on mtv That was a character Was the voice you said was the voice And the personality Which I guess is a lot, but you know like my yeah, that's the character Yeah, but the way I dressed is how I would address because that's always like how I thought I was cool Here's the thing no one but me Came up with the clothing that I wear now or the clothing. Well, listen if I'm acting in something or or whatever Yeah, I know then that's something different. But like when I'm on the street But basically yeah, I mean like, you know, like Carson would be like, you know, basically when I was a vj The lineup of people were um Carson day Carson daily matt pinfield.  I mean, I don't know.  What it was 25,000 dollars. Really, which would be like I got that wow. Yeah half right because of taxes I don't even know right.  Yeah, exactly.   I just totally your gardener that was smoking a spliff out there Just gotta make that clear. Okay. So you uh, you um So, yeah, so basically oh, oh, yeah, so real quick then, um So basically like the two week deal then becomes like, um, oh, well then we'll sign him for another three months They give me my own show at the jersey shore called lunch with jesse, which would air every day from like 11 30 to 12 So this is how the hair metal this is a very important part of the mtv store if we're going to really cover it And then pertaining to hair hair metal. So basically like, um mtv for this is actually like when mtv would play videos for half the day and like all their stuff would be coming from Like one central studio So basically like mtv was broadcasting like, you know, eight hours a day from new jersey from, you know This was way before jersey sure, but from the same set from that same town seaside heights, you know and um Yeah, um, because jersey still loved rock. Oh jersey still loved rock then and that's the whole beauty of this So basically mtv gives me this like show that would air Like monday through friday, like, you know from 11 30 to 12 where it's like five interview segments And are you living in jersey? I'm living in jersey during the week for this And are you just screwing like jersey rock chicks with that? Ah teased up hair stuff. Look at it.   No, no, I don't I won't hey It's like 20 years ago 15 years ago. Yeah, absolutely No, it's just I mean are you get you're getting groupies, right? Yeah, yeah, no I gotta be honest dean.    I don't know I'm just asking you questions It doesn't know that's cool. It doesn't matter.  I love heterosexual guys.  I love artists. I love them all You know Right, I'll tell you a couple things about me first off You know, it was uh, it was late It was uh, it was at bob costas's house Johnny weir is there And you know, we were just having absinthe.  I don't know, but I thought you were giving me a funny skirt No, no dean. Let me let me let me know.  No, this is when I was signed a record Well, no, let me but because you touched on an interesting thing and it would be horrible if I didn't pass this over.  Oh my god. Yeah, I've had crits so many crazy girls But then I'm thinking like it was a weird that whole year was a weird because that kicked off with um Like the year kicked off with like Hanson girls because like basically somehow like I hosted like this live Hanson concert then all of a sudden I became huge with Hanson girls and but it was really weird because they were all like Little kids and stuff and I was like 18, but then like yeah, I was actually at the jersey store where Yeah, where the pussy got real interesting that year, you know what I mean? Because there were there were like there were a lot of older women that were like rocker chicks there that were in the mix Yeah, there was cougars before there were cougars. Yeah, yeah, right, right But like it was like the cougars always had like a weird goth daughter Or like a weird like because you know what during this time era during that summer That was like when Marilyn Manson You know it was such it was really kind of a cool era because it was during that summer when like rock music Here's the thing I got a really good point here with this. Yeah, you gotta follow me. Help me get to my main points I'm trying to I'm gonna hit on the big milestones. Okay. We'll start with Elvis. Yeah, we did that then rock changes to the Beatles Stones, yeah arguably 70s you got Led Zeppelin Zeppelin maybe Alice Cooper kiss eagles boston I love boston right. Yeah. I'm just saying huge boston fan Even love the new new boston album that came out last year. That was garbage I had some great songs. Come on heaven on earth Come on. I can't believe it was horrible Here's boston. You only need one two and three And two and one and two what you want to know. No, you want to know my favorite boston album Okay, you always pick the bunk later ones Okay, what is it? Although as much as I love Corporate america their fourth album. I'm a huge third stage fan. I saw that I'm gonna take you by the hand to make you Amanda Can't you say you believe in me? Can't you say you believe in me? Yeah, that's third stage. That was killer record.  Yeah, who was on the first two records didn't write anything but played on them Um, basically he made a solo record in 1980 all song lead vocals by brad delph So it's pretty much like a like an unreleased boston record that kicks but and then Then he formed a band called the ryan the hunter and they had this huge song So you ran. Yeah. Yeah, that's all boston by product. I mean you you know, you're rock, which is cool. Yeah I'm a huge fanatic. I understand it now You get the record deal Yeah, you you do a two song demo without oh final thing really quick. Okay, so I was going so okay Getting off boston. Basically. That's just again elvis beetles stones Zeppelin um the clash let's say horse guns and roses um nirvana And then basically the next big movement that happened was brewing that summer and i'm talking about basically that fall After we finished the jersey short when I got back to new york And then they actually then my manager got them to renew my contract again Right The last we're talking last two weeks. You were talking 98. So then I got I got renewed again till december trl starts in september basically that august I went on the road with corn for two weeks before their album came out followed the leader with got the life That comes out blows up Like maryland manson the dope show comes out the video with him and his breasts That was like the last time when with corn and maryland manson Arguably with the strokes a couple years later, but that's it bad. That's killed. That's the last time We got strokes. Yeah. Yeah. Yes, and king zeleon all in that era right there Okay, fair enough. That's the last time rock was dangerous. That's right. You're correct and Now where I fit into all this was that basically I wanted to kind of I thought corn and limp Even limp biscuit were cool. I mean in their own way, you know, I mean because it was dangerous You know the deaf tones. It was dangerous these new metal kids. It was scary at first It wasn't this rap rock back.  Actually. I take that back. I was a huge fan Yeah, this is again just in my mindset. I remember jerry garcia dying I remember being around the exact same time that metallica's load came out Yeah, I didn't like and I remember when they cut their hair and they put out until it sleeps I didn't like that stuff I thought that was actually really ballsy and cool on their part and I dug that album And I'm actually one of the only people that digs load Yeah, quarantine loves load too. I don't like I've had a lot of crazy run-ins with metallica over the years Yeah, me too. One of my most rock and roll moments.   Yeah computer just came on great now.  I got involved. Let's talk about that. I got involved with this You're selling firearms. Was that right?  Listen, I've In my life, I have sold firearms before right. I've never sold like machine gun level guns How do you know I've never been I've never been at a like, you know found myself at a walmart Just outside of Atlanta. Let me think of it. Hey, you want to see how good my geography is. Yeah, give me any Check this out because of because of how how hard and how much I've extensively toward this country And I'm proud of it. Give me any city and I'll tell you some some suburbs of it. Well, no, I get no just no Just as a home All right, great. Oklahoma doesn't have much but it has um, uh, norman admin uh, american city um Oklahoma city is its main part. Oh, and then I'll tell you, um Really interesting thing about Oklahoma city. Actually. I'm my very first road trip before mtv. This is a great story Yeah, I got a great story because I think that you like a lot of different things and this is a freaking awesome story So anyway, you got to be the hardest interview I've ever done trying to wrangle you you have worse add than me I love it But no because this because there's because there's so much stuff that yeah, you have a ton of stories That's even more interesting mtv. Check this out.  Got it. Is that so like, um We were in uh, Louisiana We had left new orleans. We had left baton rouge I believe that we were kind of like between baton rouge and lafayette Yeah, and like so we were kids and we were basically would sleep in our car You know what I mean at night and so like we were like but sometimes it was during the summer It was hot. So we would like try to find a church and always sleep in a church parking lot back then Now if you wanted you could like sleep in any Walmart parking lot you want But we didn't know that back then right so we would always be like well And we would get woken up by the cops like all the time But like once the cops would run your id and whatever they'd be like cool cops weren't In like you could still travel the country In fact, like when my sister and I were like like we're in la for like two months during that like in 1997 Every night we'd always get so scared of like sleeping in You know sleeping in la that we would always drive the car all the way out to Santa Clarita. Wow Magic mountain parking lot.  That's hilarious But it's smart though because you could we had the mobile gas car. We didn't care We kind of like to have a Santa Clarita Well, Hollywood was gangster even It was gangster back then big time 15 years ago. It was crazy crazy.  Yeah, dude Yeah, no like mid 90s definitely and and new york was too Yeah, you know 50 42nd street was like I put it to you this way back then I lived in like I lived in I lived on Houston and avenue way for like five years in new york and like um Like back then avenue a was hip avenue b was Kind of bad C was like crack and d was death.     Oh, yeah, so really quick two great stories um So basically we're in louisiana. So we're sleeping in this backwards town and like some guy like Wakes us up kind of like in the middle of the night and he's like, why are you guys sleeping on there and we're like, uh, You know, oh, well, you know, we were just crashing in for the night He's like, I live at the house right next door. You can crash at my house and we were like Okay, even though, you know, it was like kind of could be a serial killer anyway, so like um my sister and I then he you know, we have to talk with him for an hour I think he was like On some kind of speed. We didn't know that at the time. We're snow naive But then he eventually conked out we conked out like on these couches and then I you know But then I had to go to the bathroom in the middle of that. I wake up. I open the door I think it's a bathroom. I feel for like there's a light switch turning on. What do I see in the closet? A Ku Klux Klan outfit No Really? Right here is that basically, you know, we're crazy. We were obsessed with that movie. Uh silkwood starring Meryl Streep and Cher and uh, Kurt Russell. I think in the 70s. You know what it's about. Nope Silkwood. I don't okay long story short.  So somehow she gets she gets in touch with like a new york times reporter You know like and basically kind of spills the thing to him But before she can get to that meeting with him someone drives her off the road Like murders her by like driving her off the road Right so she can never get to him and then like tries and then steals those files that she had That's a true story Right So I remember so we were like in Oklahoma City, which was like the weirdest and Oklahoma City still is to me The weirdest city maybe in america because it's such a weird Like it's stuck in the 70s type place Back then. Oh my god, like Oklahoma City I remember it had like it had this one record store in it that this is because I remember seeing Oklahoma City for the first time Oklahoma Red had this like record store, but don't put him on that list. That's not fair anymore You know and shout outs to Beaumont I own Shout outs to Beaumont. I do actually own I'm doing a piece of property in Beaumont I'm doing a show with uh jay morr at the fox in bakersfield may 10th So wait as bakersfield wait a minute. Wait a minute Yes, I do want to come and we got to talk about that listen because that could make an epic episode of the new thing That I'm working on okay now. Listen, I'll tell you about I got to go to san diego right now Will you come back sunday for part two?  Yeah, what are you talking about dude? It's great. So listen, you'll come back sunday If you wouldn't have come back sunday, we would have finished it. So you got to come back sunday I'd say around two o'clock or something. I do have to say. Yep. I'm not the best I am a very good driver, but it's a very interesting like let's say you're eating at the 101 cafe Yeah, I love it. I'm kind of mad all the time I saw you you there's a billboard for you. That's right. Dean del ray. Yeah the del ray It's a picture of sandwich. Yeah You gotta get a del razor sandwich Yes All right, let's do you're amazing. Hold on. Yeah really quick. Okay final thing. Let me final final thing that he's out of here Yeah, yeah, because you know, but Baker's field the armpit of baker's field is called oildale. I know it. That's where corn's from Kind of right kind of that song. Oh, they'll they wrote oildale because Me and my older sister years on because I've done so much cool stuff since MTV We made this film project going through all these backwoods towns and film all kinds of crystal Methodics and oildale. So I see jonathan davis like a year before that song comes out I tell him about like, you know, because I remember he's from baker's field I'll tell him dude, you know all about oildale and we have like a talk about he's like, dude I ought to do a song called oildale. Yeah, and an oildale is the armpit But if you're in jaymore because I haven't met j o Coolest guy. Yeah, right? We got to do something where we film the Baker's field adventures. Definitely. Now listen to this right before we go to part two on sunday YouTube dean del ray corn and watch that video And then I'll just leave you with that. All right. There he is. We'll go to part two On sunday jesse camp MTV vj All right, we'll pick it up from there