So you've been alone? Does it help these aggressions when we walk out there? Like a reference? Comments. When we drop the magnet board, so if any of the images are not clear, I took them on my little devicey thing. So it's not smart, the one I had. So if you can't tell what the images are in various scenarios, we have that with us today. So we are happy to be creating any of those. We have the town hall main floor, the basement, and then we have this not to the same scale, but we have the, I did not get a picture of it. So that would be temporary. And those are all the temporary houses, not for the dates. So we're good, they're number one, but if anyone? Right, yeah, so I have these if you want to see them. Is there a question around here? No, there's a little bit. I would just hear the large factor on my back. So you can set it on the table. If anyone wants to see any of the scenarios on board, this is for you. If you want to use it as a way to see how things could be. First of all, I think we're scenario-free. Anyone wants to turn to that? The library in a safer, better place. We also, as in my mind, we're trying to use the whole building. And also the library looking to keep the collection upstairs. I think the scenario would work on a temporary basis. It was all doable for you guys. Yes, thanks. We're going to be on board. My concern was the stage area as far as the stairs and children. That's why I'm going to talk about the use of the stage area. I was more in looking at number one, using the main floor, and not using the stage. That was one of the concerns that if the Cori has, that having everything on the stage makes accessibility, whereas in scenario one... Since you can access scenario one with the lift, but you cannot with scenario three for volunteers who have disabilities, that's one of the things that are important. When we were there for the Children's Day, for the Friday morning, they're usually on the space in front of the stage, just here. Sorry. So what was that Karen? Oh, I was just saying, any of these scenarios are fine, but one thing to note is that we do have one of our volunteers that does have disabilities, and so we have wondered kind of this, you were wondering about the stairs with kids, we've also wondered about the stairs with volunteers if they could get up the stairs. And that's also just a longer term question, a bigger picture of longer term for the town hall in general for our people, but let's... The shelves, and then are they the shorter ones? Three feet. So if you can use the main floor and then the downstairs, as in scenario three that I've been going down, there's some of the programs, multi-bore displays and placement, and then use the main floor and just leave the other room. Although at this point... Tom, does that kind of look like you're shooting to use them? What are you describing right now? I guess that... Well, the only thing is we weren't using the stage... The stage at all? Yeah, at all. I mean, use? Oh, I see, kind of combining one and three. Great, right, exactly. I see, yeah. So if you use the stage, the kids are down. So the other thing, the reason I wasn't up on the start, really crazy about the stage before, is because Cheryl and I talked about the space needed for both. But we discussed that, and we were going to ask the board of civil authority, that's the board of the fans, to actually have the voting here. In this building? In this building. Well, it's easier actually for them. They're not moving a lot of things. We spend a day moving stuff back and forth. We have the connections. You know, we get 60 to 70 people that go to town meeting, but most of the people are driving in anyways. We have bigger parking here. So it really makes sense.  And we have still a town meeting there. We just have the voting here. And then if there's things that they need throughout the day, they can just do it without having to do it. So it's the internet that they have to, you know, it just seems like it's a better idea anyway. So... Mr. Tom, are you just sort of saying if we were to kind of cut the bottom part of three and stick it on to one, that's kind of what you're looking at? What you're looking for? Yeah, I think... But still, I mean, you can still use the stage, just, you know, keep your stuff down a little bit more. Corey, then we're expressing concern about kids in the stairs. And we were just drinking about volunteers in the stairs, too. Thank you. I am in favor of scenario five, which we asked for to take a gap into the stairs only. And... that's not being presented. Correct. Did you read the line? Yes, I did. So did you realize that we would have to send another basements? Yes. I'd agree that any issues with mobility would have to be fixed right away. I mean, it's not good enough. And as far as... I'm just curious. As far as the safety issues at the library, what did Tom... Martin Cameron ever say anything about it? Anything at all? It's hopeless. As far as I say, snow... Well, I use de-icer and I shovel the walk and then the town plows the parking lot with the berms that build up.  If you're a road crew, are you able to move all of that? For this winter? There's still an indoor plumbing question. Okay, so we understand Jason would prefer to have everything with basements. So we know what the preference is here. Everyone else? Do you guys see scenario or accommodation? What do you guys think? That would be okay. I still don't like using the main door. Right, I think that's something we can talk about. I would agree on that. And it's something we experience during town meeting with the main door being open. I think coming in from the side entrance would be their preferred. I'll always have the front entrance unlocked. So it's for egress. You need to get out for emergency purposes. Safer. You're going to sign on the door that says use the side door? Right, I'm just going to be conditioned to use that because otherwise during the winter there's no sidewalk there. So you have to come around onto the road anyway. So you have to get out from the street across the much safe. Yeah. Kelly, what do you think? I'm kind of adjacent. I want to see what it looks like. I've been to events in the town hall and I am just not envisioning this and since it was asked for the last time and just to think about it and see what it would look like. You can picture the bottom of the basement of the town hall with everything in it. So we'll use that. I think this is the basement and this is the main hall. And the issue is it's about the aesthetic as well as the quality of the space for the temporary taking place. Today's taking place. And I think it's a big compromise to use some of the top and some of the basement. I mean we need to use the building to get it seasoned to get the thing getting the mustiness out of it and just getting it used. There is nothing aside from this weekend there's nothing scheduled at all for events upstairs. And if something comes up then it will be the responsibility of the there are two events in 2020. When are they or what are they? I don't know. Either way so those are the type of things you'll have to work around so we can minimize that with using I think if you can concentrate on people here if you want to do things up on the stage it will keep people away from occurrences which I'm a little concerned about anyways. I'll talk in just one until maybe one. January 14th scheduled from 10 to 10 for a private function dinner, dance February 4th it's scheduled for a private function from 10 to 10 then it remains the same person. What days are we for those? January 10th January 14th January 14th January 14th January 14th February 4th I thought I saw you picture that was your anniversary or something Facebook? I don't know Facebook no you've been with me before you're the one you're the one we decided we made a motion we were going to find a temporary space this is what we have yep I'm all good with the main floor and the basement and the stage is something that it can use temporarily or whatever I think to use the basement to acquire a pretty good investment from the town to get everything right maybe it's something to work on in our budget to improve the basement but right now we need to go forward the floors subpar at this point we haven't done anything with it I agree let's try it out that's what people think we can look at the budget stuff floor stuff but we should also look at the what's up above and see what can be taken down instead of maybe making it a little nicer are you talking about the ceiling downstairs? someone didn't look at it it's all plumbing and everything it's like right after the ceiling how is it? I really answered it needs floors whether the library is in it or not I think it's something we should probably budget for correct but there's no sense of adding it to this budget here Jason, anything? I think that this is raising a situation that's been in place for a long time which I don't think is justified and comfortable with these changes with the town hall and its position on this so I move to use the town hall both upstairs and downstairs as we've discussed the main floor for the collection and seating part of the collection part of the seating using the entrances main entrance I'll second that for the discussion when you set aside the entrance any further discussion I'll carry on I Nace Nace, your eyes have questions at this point Trillin we'll have to figure out what needs to be done alright so that's what we're gonna plan to do get on that thank you very much thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you I'll move to the next slide Shirley is there anyone that came in to comment everyone sit up too late to ask what was decided on the library no so they're going to temporarily move down over to the town hall here okay on the main floor some of the main floor and some of the downstairs and it should make clear that that was with a 3 to 2 vote really 3 to 2 vote Sheryl so we'll discuss about policies and not update but I also want to add some policies as well and I did bring it up after finance committee meeting one of them is an accounting auditing and financial reporting there's statutes that I have to go by anyway and this is just I have asked many towns to support that in supporting what we're doing making sure that I'm doing what I'm supposed to be doing so you're adopting so as a town we need to adopt this policy that what you're asking us to do we don't have to but I would have asked in the town to do so and the accounting auditors who have our full audits they'd really like to see this as one of our policies do you want to explain what policies are in this course you have the purpose of accounting, auditing and financial reporting policies to establish and maintain high standards for accounting practices in the town and more town thereby enabling voters, the select board and the treasurer to make sound decisions in preparing and adopting the town budget and managing town finances what it's all about reporting giving you guys your monthly reports which you guys get anyway showing revenues, expenditures balances so that's what we're practicing now is what we're practicing, we just don't have a policy in hand and the auditors like to see this policy does everyone want to take a moment to read this and come back next week, which is something that someone's comfortable in voting on tonight would you like to take a quick step in thank you you're welcome yes and what we should we should have made a recommendation to find this financial review committee on this sorry about that Jason you want to make a motion on this yes I move that we put in place the accounting, auditing and financial reporting policy as presented by Alvier Kelly seconds all in favor some of this we need to sign tonight and now I'm going to present and ask you to adopt a prevention policy it's basically if someone feels that I'm committing fraud or anybody who's collecting any money is committing fraud that they have someone to go to I recommend that they go to the chairman and the co-chairman I wrote John and Tom's name in here this would have to be updated every year it's just basically another financial auditing best practice that the LCT recommends does the person have to be moved would you be referred to by position it can be by position but the positions change every year that's what this will tell you you have to update it every year because like John's on a three year term and Tom's on a one year term so it does say chairman and co-chairman so this would just be another so we're going to do the first meeting after that meeting I'm just wondering if they could just say chairman and vice-chairman it did have it in there the module that I went by from the LCT and it clearly had co-chairman and then name the person and then chairman name the person and it has to have the contact number in there as well that's actually the policy I have it just allows someone to get to the town anyone who's working for the town or is it a resident an option that can go to someone else besides me or my assistant or somebody here this is probably the most often go to with someone on the board anyways it's just if someone is clear definition because I want you to go ahead okay I move that we put in place the book Prevention Policy as presented by the town treasurer for the second column okay thank you and the next one is purchasing policy which we already have but as of July 1st of 2019 it doesn't meet the federal guidelines so if we were to get any federal funds which we get and most of our grants if we were to ever get audited we could get a spoken to and possibly have to either repay the money or not get any more federal funds so it's adding a code of conduct I had Cheryl with us in Culliver to match up to the one that we already have basically it's the same exact thing adding the the code of code of conduct that would mean more taking a long breath but it just required as of July 1st of this year so all the rest of this remains the same and then this is that it's just adding in all the federal oh yes and this codifies current practice it's not that we don't do so we're ready for motion I think so sorry go ahead well I was going to say too policy also we have to adopt a new conflicts of interest policy which if it's not listed in our purchase policy then that also kicks us out of federal funds too so we have to adopt conflict of interest policy which also includes the ethical conduct which is also required by law now so they kind of go together force all this stuff yeah I wouldn't know and it's like the two of them blend so try to skip that meeting next year I don't have any more to present to you no I think they're all very emotions or policies to have I can take a few minutes to read this as long as you're here this was something I was going to bring up in reports and communications but since you're here now do you want to talk about the computer operating systems she's going to be here for the budget oh okay so that's on that that's where we are I don't know but you know when you read math we can go into old business Jason there's one thing that is kind of minor I think it is we got a letter from Rich Rivers River and Red's love River Boulder Dry was his third choice he would like it to be River and Red's love I don't really care about that if he had expressed his preference border for the first time oh so you know what as I was looking it's not even one of the first three that he actually had he's assuming you rejected the other ones which we really didn't River and Ledger it's hard to say I don't know do we want to ask him how he feels about going back to his first I'll open the first it seemed like there was a there was a conflict I thought the one and three there was a conflict River's new drive River and Red River and Red I think because of the River and Red River and Red River and Red you live on the character do that for River I would make both of you remember Red and Red all in favor hi he's got a he's the one sometimes going to be the most different and how's that looking Jason and other things and old business to consuming Jason is saying I think what we're probably talking about next is the bits that we had it's interesting overall this is okay there's an interesting consideration in here because once a public officer has recused himself he shall not sit with a public body so yeah this is a little yeah this is a little strong I personally would choose what they're I don't draw but I suppose we're going to have a choice no you can adjust that that's just a model that we also do recognize okay you can do we have until next meeting on this you can, you can scratch it out why don't we wait on this particular because there's some questions on it I think we should take a look at this and see what we're going to do this is a little those are things I mean I'm sometimes a little confused but I think we should be able to talk about it and discuss it yeah it's certainly not a big room it'd be nice to have that this is a time element it needs to be done soon because we're already out of compliance this is the best of July first I definitely want them to pull it off yeah well no it's not enough if we know you're going to be on it we'll have an emergency meeting coming in can you email these to us I don't understand just the conflict just the conflict yeah the other side I feel like there's nothing else that's good there's just maybe a little bit of tinkering you know the wall yeah it's just a model so continuing on in the whole business so actually do you have all the bits we just have to have them all so we can have that out in public do you agree I would not no I'm ready I didn't know what it was you actually have it and especially for you all the ones that are in here that's on the info right there I don't want to yep I don't want that breathing out for us no I'm sorry thank you very much six different fitters one, two, three four, five, six engineers, construction Du Bois, Jay Hutchins G.W. Tatro Dirt Tech and Vail Percy we had engineers the engineers engineers oh part of engineers I thought it was engineers construction no so this five would be at engineers excuse me I was wondering why they just said engineers construction so Du Bois Construction they came in at 691,870 Jay Hutchins $761,406 G.W. Tatro $882,950 Dirt Tech $13,535 and Vail Percy $741,890 so low bidder $691,870 being Du Bois Construction however our grant fund total was $542,000 and we've already spent almost $80,000 of that our balance being $465,000 we had a conference call today with Chris Hunt from the state that was John Cheryl Cheryl Lynn what it looks like at the end of the day that this could potentially cost us the town out of pocket $133,000 and Cheryl's pretty confident we can fund the ways of that like there's a couple of items here that perhaps the town could help it and party off some of them there is a I spent a lot of time with the plans but I believe there is some savings in some of the plans that I think Du Bois could work with the engineer on as well we've spent a couple of years to make the projects with Barry and my partner that were both over budget and we worked pretty hard with the engineer to try to get the down but we're familiar with working with engineers and presenting some value engineering that everybody benefits from right is this $100,000 $621 this book engineer so we don't have the rest of the engineer that's it is that's the $63,000 it is it's $100,000 project oversight I'm sorry I'm sorry there was also some immediate about $30,000 we were looking at that we saw some savings so and then looking at the budget you know hopefully to work with the contractor clearing rubbing which the engineer had a $1,000 came in at $24,000 so that's where we're hoping to save some traffic control traffic control $5,000 and they had $25,000 some of that traffic control like from the state there's other avenues to get some of that as well so Chris thinks from the state things that we should go ahead and do the project we've been planning it for six years we've had you know the paving is going to be done in June and that's why some of this cost is attributed to the time of year winter and then start-up costs again but it needs to be done by the end of June essentially for the paving and the bridge to happen Ray do you think we save some if they didn't have to worry about doing anything in the fall this doesn't would it be moving equipment back and forth the other problem is John I would defer that question to somebody that the person that's going to be more familiar with the project but anything like that I think we'd take a look at it was some of what you say I'll get right to you it was $10,000 in the budget for you know staging, unstaging and whatever that for the winter but because of the time frame I think it's going to probably that's one of those things that's going to hard to push off because we need to get it started you know from what I've heard again I wasn't involved probably but I think a big part was trying to get that drain line in by the fire station which is outside the roadway trying to get that end this fall so that we wouldn't have to deal with high water and we could start in the roadway earlier next year I think at this point we were planning on getting that in our schedule okay that might change and maybe we could do it in March instead of this long one and then it wouldn't be just one mobilization at that point so but that's something we could look at and talk to the town about and Jason I'm reading GPI's proposal because of the bulk of the work between April and June or April and September like this summer I thought even September maybe but I imagine that they could be on site I mean that's what we had said originally well they said that they were working on a 12-week time frame right yeah so that can now all I was wondering is if we accept this will we still be able to go for supplementary grant next year we thought it's closed up for this year but next year and that's the other thing they took that yeah so there's that also there's $25,000 left in the deer fund you know we can use that on the sidewalks you know they have to best be done if we can get grants but there's money there and that's something we'd ask the finance committee to look at these options here what's the best at the new sands grants and then hopefully we get some more again it was discussion on the phone but the state really wants us to go ahead with this so it's kind of with the grants if we can get any sort of not a commitment or a wing what's that that would be yeah but in a way that if that's what we want to do we need to move ahead tonight so that we can get everything so this is something that Ray if someone's making a motion that Ray probably will not be involved I will make a motion then that for the sidewalk and stormwater project Kelly seconds any further discussion all in favor of what I any opposed and Ray has a abstain so we'll go with Du Bois thank you one behalf well that's what everybody would say if you could say that if you could be in the room you would say that okay alright any other old business that we have going along with that then the inspection consultant team or consulting engineer team has come up with a recommendation for GPI and there is roughly 63,000 is what they did came in at and so Jason and I are here to present that tonight did I look at a different one I thought it was a total of 70,000 oh you know what there was something else on there that added up to 70 you're right I think it was 63,000 but there was something else that added on to bring it up to 70 that's the same as Hamlin how about that but it's GPI yeah roughly 70,000 that was the second choice on the list that you guys correct 40 years 40 years versus one year so I think that's pretty good remind me when we get to the minute I think we can say that take that out oh that's right that's the problem alright so do you want to move on then John? I will make that motion and I will hire GPI as the inspection consultant and I will second you now further discussion alright no more here alright I'm still writing things out of it so just for all good common associations so that is being worked on so it's not everyone around the table there's nothing we can talk about at this point but it's not being anymore if you will okay so that was not a quick easy answer from the room well it was okay but anyways it's just at this point can't discuss and we did the sidewalk bits so we're a good little business new business so anyone have any show us that you're just talking about the computers during the budget so do you want to do that now or do you want to do that during the budget yeah let's hold that right with that but we so let's go ahead let's do reports communications Sasha you've been out what's about Arizona it was awesome very dry just like they say it was hot it was dry I'm just going to jump in here because you're on so I have a report communications question this season we're going to be emailed regarding these school board meetings and this is very informative it's just my memory is weird enough to get everything out of this I should what are these okay there were four scenarios with sub scenarios okay it was A, B D and then go ahead isn't it okay they voted to eliminate scenarios A and B which means at the very least more town school will be K through 4 so more towns will be eliminated under scenario D there's an A, B and C and R and A the other night I said just rename it 1, 2 and 3 please and so number 3 was the only one that could move a more town to K through 4 or pre K through 4 so that has to be decided on B or if they're just going to leave it as is so that's still up on that thank you so to go back to that John was at the meeting last Wednesday night last Wednesday John and I met with both Caitlin and Tori the chair and vice chair of this board here for an hour or so talking about it in our field and such so it was a good day they were more open mind obviously some of the things that we've talked about that were influenced their decisions on eliminating certainly the closure is definitely of this school and some of the other school board members have been over earlier in the week to visit the school some of them from Waterbury one of them was James and Christine from Christine Sullivan and James Grace right so I think it was good for them to see how it goes on and how vibrant it is and such so you know I hope but there's still work to be done there obviously the goal is to keep this school open as as it is we'll see one of the goals is also to have them make decisions based on a real rigorous analysis that's happened while they eliminated some pretty negative scenarios did they do anything towards fixing their classes? there's been pretty big public outcry for a third party consultant to come in and so all I can say is I was impressed it seems like the board members were listening a lot more they pretty much they didn't like the legal advice they were getting from the attorney which I believe had been hired by Bridget so they are looking at other attorneys that would have absolutely no affiliation to anything that has to do with education pretty much they want a non biased opinion also the teachers union is getting involved and so I think that's going to have a big bearing on things too so this game is over there's no doubt about it and now they admit they're in budget season so they have a lot on their plate they're doing it I think they're trying to do their diligence and I think we're starting to see them coming around listening and people in the communities we need to give a word here in this community a thank you for what they have done I mean there was a lot of grassroots effort and getting the word out and talking to people so still going strong my last question is did they say anything about separating out the elements of their capital line of west yeah and that's something that was asked I think but depending on what it goes forward they may have to anyway so because I want to say I think that there was definite confusion on the part of several board members in terms of the process which is something that the attorney Paul Giuliani was trying to straighten out but bottom line is I don't think they realize how complicated it would be to put together an article that's going to include school closures because the schools can't be closed until 2021 and I mean if you need to do repairs you need that money now you can't figure in savings later to reduce the amount that you're going to be bonding for and you know just it was very obvious and it was interesting to see that I think some of the board members were just really grasping this now and some of that works the opposite way where if they change the occupancy of the schools that requires capital work so that's connected and we're all connected I think that's what we're starting to see is what we're starting to put all those dots together and all of a sudden realize that they need to slow down anyone else this is a zoning application that needs to be signed by the select board for the recreation sign that's going up out here there's polls there but there's no sign but there's a picture of the sign that it's going to look like but David can't issue it until it's signed when the board signs it that's what's going to go there there's a nice board we have signs and Martin among you here started jumping away I think you could get one of the guys to paint the post on our sign that we have down here yes before the polls we get prior to snow setting because the sign looks nice but the post doesn't meet that I'll get right to one ah well we have your show there's a curtain up here and that's there's another curb cut too somewhere Martin you're all signed up on these it looks like yeah on the curb I guess we'll sign those there I know we'll go ahead we'll sign this stuff later let's with the if anyone else doesn't have a table as far as communications are concerned we've got a couple more things um rolled around table our next one is November 6 I didn't check my email after I responded I shouldn't be able to make it so it's 9 to 11 on November 6 at the FaceTime office this time you guys can make it also the Haynes have sold their house have you heard that it's not done yet it's not done well it's closing so it's but anyway I've been in touch with Michelle now and we still need to remove the stump from the tree because we agreed to that right? okay I thought the stump of the tree that they took down if you weren't here that meeting yeah okay I want to stay out of it I'll go with you on that alright take care of the stump um and um Jason had the suggestion and also the tree but I think the stump was Jason and I talked that bring out power kick in something so it said they would that's true do we have a copy of that letter to Haynes they brought the letter in yeah right I think I remember seeing that right a year later they retracted um so I just want to bring that up you know we need to discuss about the stump and also who's going to pay for it I guess that's who does that is it something we can do or is it they were willing I probably recommend just giving it ground just ground I would think would be the easiest way yeah you know what I mean that was it oh I took a decent size maple I don't have some to go with it look what they went through off their hunt yeah did you see this oh my god they actually got that out I didn't see so I went by it I didn't get it out with that I was going to disappear into your house but I was that was amazing ground do you know what's something like locally like potters Whitney tree service 200-300 bucks for something like that that would be my guess that would be my guess why don't we Sasha, so if you could contact either Whitney's or potter both actually see which one the bill will be and plus what I found that's true there's some water here I've seen potters in action there yeah have those two or three in TV and finally back in I remember you asked about something about the road there yes did you talk to Martin about that that you wanted to check the width of the road he's been felt boy who wears this Nick Logan where is he oh the first one on the right I measured it but I can tell you it's a little bit wider than it has been we can certainly narrow it up six inches if that's going to help but it's not it's not old granted as we grade and everything the road I think also it's also the fact that the water runs down into his driveway I'm just concerned about it his driveway is probably a foot and a half floor than the road so the water has always ran into his driveway since I've been around we haven't built the road that much we haven't put material down there and probably built it up four inches to six inches max so there has been some material put there but if you drive by you'll see that his driveway is the low spot for his roof line the road all the surrounding work is drained right to his driveway I don't think they have I mean as time goes on if we're doing work we could certainly narrow the road up there a little bit six inches to a foot but not I could certainly put a tape measure on it and get a reflection but it's not necessary it's not alright Kelly what did you have BSP Monday and Sunday for walk Monday morning there was a blue truck parked inside here and broke the dug up from 6.09 up to sergeant lower entrance so I stopped and talked to Steve he hadn't heard anything so I called it in Steve he was right there in his driveway I guess stepping to talk to the guy whose truck it supposedly was the guy gave step in the run around in my opinion he even ran around a bunch of bull and me so he proceeded to move it up past Wetzel's and since then he's just been going around on the class four road so it's not inspected he's ended with a blue dodge truck it was parked in the middle of the road and I walked out the hill apparently he told Stefan he coasted it so there was a death and he threw up at the 6.09 and then the girls and he said he coasted it up that hill where he was was way up you know where I actually had it was way up there I didn't coast up that hill no they saw me there he was there Sunday or Saturday I looked back in Sunday because the dispatch person never passed along the information to a true burger so the guy went up he looked there's still like a little park in the road by their driveway who owns it? I don't know it's somebody new which is why I was like it's not a good thing I told it if it was still there today I said let me know and I looked it's like it's really in the travel it was in the travel way so apparently the trooper went up Sunday he didn't see it so I don't know how far he went I don't know how far he went or how far he didn't hide until about there but he said when he saw it again to call him but the feeling I got from him was the name of the person Stefan talked to and the person who the plates are attached to and the name because we continue to have problems in the whole state space and I mean he went down there were spots on those burgers he went down some of the digital lines like on the side of the road he pulled over and then burned out burned out he said it was his friends they picked him up they were drunk and were blown donuts in the room I don't know I just called him well continue to call I don't know what they think unfortunately that's what we have out there or anything else Jason did you have anything else? so let's go ahead and move before I forget those two minutes can you set it? thank you Marshall it would be minutes of 10-7 I'll fit her wait we're saying stuff and here we're a little out to say we're going to the bid and that would cost the amount of experience the engineer had from federal guidance that's not a valid reason so please take that out of the official minutes that was done for whatever reason alright for those changes all in favor? alright Jason let's get on to the budget and Martin that's what you're here for I'm trying to not be in a meeting I'm just making some things I want to go over and start with the budget I'm going to take a sharp look here I'm going to start yeah so update on my shoulder not really in conducting I'm sure I think all of you are aware of a partial so I did have an MRI have a partial tendon tear with a lathe on here as well so I have limited motion in all the way around but it's not a factor in me greatly just don't have a lot of strength in it it ends up being surgery my concern is that if it isn't tear I'm not able to make I don't want to lose all the muscle mass that I have so if they tell me that surgery is required you know sooner than later probably going to hear it out but definitely put this in a bomb but talk to the guys do whatever they need to do to get us through we had that back in August Robin was able to book a cruise and again we talked to the group at that point we agreed we'll cover the 10 days that we're going to then our shoulder that's December 13th to the 20th I think or something like that so just going to kind of right here right now just like get in see this region was November 23rd 22nd something like that so upfront personal look medical system nothing goes long very fast do the job or grade it I just want to be an escalator and be able to do our job function but I can get a surgery scheduled and they tell me it's important that is I have approximately 3 weeks of vacation time left which would be very helpful if I get the surgery booked before you know the end of the year purposely since I hurt my shoulder about a month ago I had to oxygen up and take any time hoping to hold on to that vacation time but now I'm kind of stuck in a little bit of a pickle here because I don't use up all my time and then end up with it but I also don't want to lose it so I think we can work with your marks on that yes it's yeah we'll work with you there I know when you got your operation needs to be next year so that because I'm not sure now it's just three days and we're allowed to bank so obviously I'd like to save it for the surgery but right circumstances are correct yeah thank you so at the 2001 schedule it has a 10 in the windshield we were doing kind of a check over of the truck to bring it to McLeod it has a crack in the frame in my opinion it's not feasible we'll see I can still bring it it's a pretty good crack it was not noticeable till I pressure washed the frame and then it's on the elbow frame it's a pretty good foot that's the small yeah in Stranger Life so the 2001 our options are going to be there if we just kind of park it it was a great luxury to have a backup truck but I'm not sure we'll have to make a decision I guess as a group of what we're doing but at least now the dodge I think is that on the bigger roof we have exactly I think some of the decisions we've made are probably going to help alleviate that the only thing with the 01 is that it was our chloride truck so we probably would be stuck buying a neutrality trailer to hope to help random to do our chloride which has been my thought for a while now but I think it's doable for St. Mary and I don't know what they go for but we'd have to look at it Is that place a truck? I would say the clouds does have certified welders but the length of the crack and just the overall appearance of the rest of the frame makes me leery but I can certainly have them take a look at it and give us a you know even if it was just used for the poor ride I don't know the cloud Yeah I might be able to just look at it I'm guessing it's over the years the way straight behind the wind post So So there's that I wanted to talk to everybody about the bridge repair I know Stefan has claimed that Doxbury was able to get copious amounts of money from the state for the River Road Detour I don't know if this is true or not but if there's money that they wanted to give us for the upkeep of Stephensburg and Foley Farm while this bridge closure is happening because we all know it's on official detour but it will be the detour I think when that meeting I wasn't here for the bridge meeting but there was discussion there is a budget amount of rent that we already put in or I think the state offered offered I don't think we talked about Stephensburg road at all Right It could be obviously less used but I can clearly see Foley Farm being really really used Yeah so we're working on that I didn't get back to you right I figured I'd see you tonight on the town hall project we can try to fit that in whenever things become available we're right now on South Hill and Gove Road trying to finish those up but we're quickly running out of time we have a lot of shop work to get ready we're predicting for the weather here in the next week or so I like that this is digging out the next slide so I'd like to get it done before our stuff gets cold so I'd like to try to get it done next week if we could plan on it I'm going to join our ACP it's all set so we can get this done That leads me into the escalator that would be the one big budget item that would be asking for just to reconsider the escalator we have our swing issue a funnel drive issue and leaky cylinders the swing issue is a leak by issue I'm just not really for sure but there's some sort of leak the cab will probably have to come off it you sit there should hold and it just lists quite rapidly to one side not overly encouraging for the life of the machine but who knows so I think it's time to seriously consider we currently had delivered today in case you guys get any phone calls a which is a drone deer we're demoing it and so we shall see but what size you could take to the top she's a 130 I think a 135 I don't know what the numbers are but I would say in the same in that 30,000 pound class that's what I'm guessing Did there any numbers at you? No I haven't talked about the budget numbers yet but he's working on them as well as a Volvo one in castle we can get things firmed up a little bit better before we do that I have one question by the way thank you very much but it's very cheap as far as all the work that you currently need requires does that affect the trading value or is that throwing me away? If we were to fix it it's basically throw away money I don't I can't say that but yeah they gave us trading when we've discussed this two years ago I think a 19-5 was the trading value I could see that being even after all the work that we did I could see it being less this time around but I don't know until we get the actual numbers so if it were to just a ball just a ball heart pair I'd say there's over 10 grand in repairs in about 11 months and again have the cap we'll see what's going on it could be something simple but when we start all over the rest is more that would need to be repinned to make it extremely sloppy but there's this little high dollar amount if we were to fix them are you sure that that is the piece of equipment that we need going forward? escalator that it's not a high back over would be better or rubber tire something like that I've looked at it different I would definitely we definitely don't want to go over the entire back over and a rubber tire rig I don't like it for what we do I mean 80% of the time it would be perfectly fine the ease of usability appeals to me but it really isn't that big a deal to throw it on the trail I mean obviously I have another piece of equipment that you wouldn't need per se with that but you know we get up on the sand pile with it we're down over banks to get the ditches we're not going to put a rubber tire rig so in the beginning they are more expensive you know I think we'd be looking at an escalator or a rubber tire back going that would be a giant step back in my opinion we were able to cut some of the trees just to let you know there's not any room for this guy just to let you know stop by what we're doing it was very pleasant Sean informed me today that we didn't take nearly enough but since he came around the loop with his dump truck we had this ran when we did it but we'll see get it more level yeah so it's hard to put it back exactly that's the way I looked at it we can take a little bit we'll make sure there's a lot of that's going to come out anyway that's what he was talking about with us as well he also has a make on his lawn that he's talking about I'm going to take it down I'm surprised that the power company didn't make him take it when they took things you're not to worry about that dead Japanese made a little bitty one that's not a great big one that's on the side big dead I'm surprised I didn't want to take it down so just some things to think about and go for that but I really haven't spent any time on sorry, I haven't spent much time on firming it up but I really don't see any major changes for us with the exception of Sandy Brow is going to go up 25 cents she sued some parents and reached out to her I heard it was going on as much as a dollar so I wanted to find out she said no, definitely not if it goes up anything it'd be a quarter not a huge amount so we should probably bunch it have you read anything about salt prices? no we use such a small amount the opposite affects us but not the way it does so we're kind of fortunate with that roller coaster okay especially if budget goes in there's no sense that you haven't really looked at I have I'm trying to do it next week maybe within the next month or so then we would have budget numbers for the escalator quite honestly that would be good so you have an update on your arm um make sure you take care of yourself that's the important thing just take care of your duffel feet around as I said ready you can drive or something so this isn't my seat the ramp is under your seat great it's just the long road won't be a problem there's a lot of people are there any other I think we're all set just get those numbers in how is anyone that they're sealed for the travel area no we've gotten the pamphlet and we're going to try to squeeze that in here at some point as long as it's not forgotten no we've definitely not got it pretty eager about it actually I did see that the guys are actually good through next year but we may want to do it if it works we are good with it right now one that doesn't have that would happen to be way of vacation so it's a bummer it's terrible so I'll let them know that you want in them yeah depending on the schedule when they think it might be they got to reach out they just want to find out first if we were interested they're looking at doing all of the harder training and all of the programming tasks so they just do it all at once the only thing I have is there any chance of getting the RAM off of my budget or does it have to be on my budget it has to be on your budget the debt, yep can't be on yours no different lines okay give me back my MRGP not stuff good to be a camera alright, thank you I'll talk to you tomorrow 10 o'clock, get something small yep, thanks so Shirley was kind of left what's in that? she's good at jet lag Shirley, thanks again for coming in for any budget questions that people have people spend time with we'll go through the camera is there anything there Shirley, you want to point out that's unusual the building maintenance went from 2000 to 4500 we get the estimate back from the sidewalk out here is cracked and that means maintenance so that's 3000 they recommend doing a yearly maintenance maintenance plan what was that? a road toll so that's if you look at the side of the camera you're up to the end over here it's really cracked you're right I think I put that at the chair and there's the little chip over here that needs to be fixed so there's about 3000 that needs to be done I'm not sure if that's I think we'll have to look other places where I was in the run to see if we can have it done but it's something that needs to be taken care of you're right so I'm thinking we're theoretically this project the sidewalk project we'll have concrete people here I'm sure that we can do it I'm watching he was saying that with a crack not where it's cracked but where it joins fill whatever this stuff is that they put in the center of them all the salt over the past 5 years is deteriorated at all so it needs to be re-put back in I don't know what it's called but pieces come together and they put this stuff in between whatever that's all pretty much so maybe we don't need quite that much in there that figure there that 4500 you normally put 2000 I put 1000 in but I already dropped it back thinking possibly this 1000 was done I don't have to be done so I'll put $500 a year into the budget anyway just for making the sidewalks depending on the ones the new sidewalk we have in the future but certainly if there's I don't know if you've read there was a nice brochure on sidewalk maintenance it's a good rage it talks about but we should probably do that if we're going to spend all this money on sidewalks to do it I wish I would maybe a little bit more than $500 but Cheryl why don't we knock off at least I think we can give so you're going to have at least $1000 in there anyway to cover to cover that's around $600 $65 what do we put at $2500 and then the next thing is the equipment maintenance we've been notified we have Jason tomorrow to talk about the computers Windows 7 is going to be no longer existing as of January and we have three computers that need to be completely replaced and two of them need to be three of them need to be updated with Windows 7 so I called our support and got a quote in it roughly it's going to end up I'm sorry I went right over it that's not the computers but you talked about computers but that's not the computers $7000 there was quite a bit of IT support this year you can see we went with a budget there pretty much the IT support is what put us over a budget the equipment maintenance it was at $5700 and I put it up to $7000 frankly you were I was right I was at $7000 so we can be out but you're actually she was $3,742 right that's year to date she said she was over a budget on it equipment maintenance $5700 wasn't a budget right but what was the last year's budget last year's budget was $5700 $7000 we got following it we've got the computers we need to purchase new computers we need to purchase new computers that wasn't in the maintenance part but they just said the computers were not in the maintenance I'm so sorry I don't remember that the computers are down yeah the equipment purchases it's $4200 there's the computers that's purchase yes wouldn't the maintenance be the upgrading yep no that was the total price of everything he gave us one this year equipment maintenance these see we've got old figures in here that's why my figures are different equipment maintenance this spreadsheet was created over a month ago that's why your figures are different yours figure says the actual was $3,742 the equipment maintenance it's actually $59 thank you we're not confused sorry I just updated everything today see what wasn't in there before was the disaster recovery the NEMRAC back so for the 2020 budget for that what do you that's the 7000 so there's two in that 7000 NEMRAC support for $1,500 NEMRAC disaster recovery for $734 and then the ACS the LAMR is $4200 and then I put $500 in our budget support based off from what we spent this year I didn't put as much in there as what we spent in IT this year because some of that was needed but it should be needed you can't have Windows 7 on any computer that connects to the outside if you have anything that's standalone it's still okay is there anything that needs that description he has a this was his email I asked him to give us a quote everything that needed to be done so that it would be functioning I think we were on the rest of those so what I didn't know was the different computers you used for so we would leave them standalone no so that's it on the town office the big differences show me if you can go forward you can add another line that has a sub-total on each so for town office so it's easier to look at what we were doing on that last year but I gave you you would have that that's all right now here but that's exactly what you just have on the spreadsheet going forward what are you left with did you guys part of that? no because for your spreadsheets you have to adjust every single time you make an account so if I just used my out of there I was just turning everything over here for more it's not a big deal so you export that to Excel we export this came out of Excel we exported out of Excel but every time there's a change we've got to go back in because these figures don't stay because the budget's not set yet once the budget's set then it's done then it's set in the budget so every time we do an account's pay well those figures change so then we have to go and plug every single one of these numbers back in that you've just gone over because they're not in the system yet they have to be put in the system and they're not in the system until the budget's set well that's why you're using that sheet that's why you're telling me that you're using that sheet because of the I'm using this spreadsheet because that's what you guys want we can talk about we can talk about because I think that there's some quick tips you can do that you don't have to re-enter anything yeah and so total should just be one click on it no I don't have to do stuff I don't do all that stuff I'm just saying every time those figures change these are not in the in the network system but they're in your last spreadsheet so it's just through all the same lines so you can just drop them in you guys can go over that I'll figure that out let's get out of the way so we just know because it looks like we're now for budget what's the date on the top of that corner? 10, 21 I mean going forward we just have a copy of this and we've got the sub-tribals and then these could be worksheets and you've got the work face to you but we all have to use it yeah thanks Joe so is anything else on Tom, is this going to change your you're good with that? yeah I think we're good with that 10 on Paul I didn't touch it okay I didn't like for you guys alright I'll just watch it on the I haven't done a question on 10 on Paul just to give you a hashtag to use there's going to be ice coming off that roof and we don't have any of the what do you call those things on the roof that catch the ice so it doesn't slide off I know what you mean so nobody doesn't need that thing but anyway we should have those yeah or we'll just make sure that we don't have parking or something yeah but I mean we've always functioned that those always functioned that with snow so I don't know why this would be any different this year that's where we have all those warning signs that say warning falling snow I think we can mitigate that all to some degree alright if you want to look into I it's not anything I know anything about that they exist you know I just don't even know what the things are called so I can't tell you anything about it snow guards we have show them we have some time to be around here we have the library rager so we can have the opportunities to look through or having anything you want to add as far as the library budget at all do you have the the submission from Elizabeth online? yep can you do that so those are the numbers that are in here now yep now Cheryl do you have the updated with the subtitles there do you think this is where we have to sit down we won't have the rental before that less this year last year it was a little just things minus yeah so did Elizabeth get a hold of the amount of access for telephone and internet services? those numbers reflect she did so your membership is almost doubled we were asked to pay our fair share for Chamber of Commerce membership so the bad libraries are all members and they were able to adjust and then they said you should pitch in a little more so that's the the other membership is and it's in the memo from Elizabeth I don't know if you have that in front of you she she sends a memo with the information the other membership is that we have audio and ebooks through what's called the overdrive and there's an increase in cost for that so that we can have access to ebooks and audio books and I believe in Elizabeth's memos those are the two reasons for the membership increase yeah and I know that just came in for any of what it was but yeah I have an opportunity to take a look at it and we're not going to approve budgets and e-mails tonight so but she did do a good job as far as explanation on oh yeah and I will go with the memo for what I'm saying it's a rock so we can but if there's nothing here that really sticks out that you want to ask the library we can take a look at her presentation or around budget that she put forth with the memo and it has a pretty good so why don't we skip over the library then at this point I have a question here this is a 7.8% decrease and I'm wondering why so that's your personality yeah so we came into the Vermont Department of Libraries of Montpelier they run a salary survey and the most recent numbers they had were 2015 and according to those numbers they have different categories like size of library and position so for the position in the size of our town and our library we are under the amount that is the medium pay so we also looked into what the area libraries are and library assistants are getting and we are well known so we discussed as Board of Trustees what would be a reasonable increase to honor those discrepancies but still not overstepped with too bold of a request so that is why there is that increase to bring us closer to and again the 2015 numbers I asked inquired about a more current one so even with that number we are still a little under but we are closer and you have all that documentation in case you wanted to see the area towns that we recently adjusted our road crew pay and what we really look for someone in our town or someone that would drive to this job and be getting paid for it so we really try to look locally and see what they are paying oh absolutely yes I have those I would check I am the secretary of the trustees and we can of course send it to you and they will make this to the Vermont surveys as well the other questions there that you have asked question and memberships you are probably way ahead of me but are there any sort of cooperative arrangements the other small libraries that are possible does everybody go on their own no that is considering the cooperations so the audio and the books are consortium through the Vermont Green Island Consortium and then the chamber membership is with the area libraries so if they look at the memory or revisit the other stuff there and also those two we will look at compensation as a whole Chair Lehmann, can you count meetings and elections here? yes I might see so as we know I am here for general budget so much I still cut it down lower than it used to be one of the big jumps which you will see official elections there well yeah that would be jumped up because of the three elections versus just three elections the expenses so the expenses on the printing stuff goes up anyway because we have three elections even though it's yeah but I added a sheriff in there in case we have the general election at the school because of the issues we had last year with the school not being happy the parents were upset because the general election was there even though it's always been there because of everything that's been going on I talked briefly with Manny about it last year and I tried to call her today and she was out on her training so I threw it in there I called the sheriff's office today and it's going to cost us around $700 the $700 would be the sheriff would be there all day the cruiser would be sitting outside so what we're paying for is eight hours of straight time four hours of overtime mileage and the cruiser sitting outside and that would be just for the general election and the general election is way too big for the sheriff's office I would like to think I could but with this table in here and I don't think this table's heavy and I don't think we'll move it we're going to need at least this general election is going to be huge I wouldn't even dare try to be here I'd like to if this table was the only thing that was holding me back I would not I wouldn't ask you to do that because we have like six boosts that we're going to put up we're going to be pushing around 900 voters hey 900 that's what the last large presidential election was I was down at the school so I didn't yeah it's always been at the school and it's so much easier for the elderly getting in and having a school they just they go inside door and scoot right into the gym and I'll put the barriers up and all but the sheriff I think that's a concern I think it's probably wise to have someone there yeah with everything that's been going on and for people peace of mind so that's where that increase came from would they pay half I'm sorry would they pay half the school doesn't really have to ask yeah we can ask but I shaved the budget as much as I possibly could I did up $50 on the meals just because there's three elections I don't know if we'll use it or not but that's fine 10 reports 10 reports yes I got that because not enough time reports were ordered last year were short about 100 up to you have a best seller you have a best seller up to way $200 hopefully that would cover it I haven't had anything to do with 10 reports but I did the financial part of it going back it's pretty good I think I guess as far as miscellaneous expense in general the workers come on it you see we didn't have anything that budget last year but we spent $14.96 it's the third one that went down that's due because every time we put somebody on our payroll the library went up this year the fire department went up this year and the fire department's not on payroll but when they come in and they do our audit they go through all of our records so we had a lot of every time we hired just a little you know a part time something it goes up it's just something to keep in mind so we're hiring people we can't hire you we can't hire you I didn't put anything here in the subboard because I was a mixture and I know what you've got going on but I'm going to talk about that for you guys we have general legal on the other side so what's the good news? well that's what I was going to ask I think we just keep the $5,000 in the journal I think honestly I have to do a journal entry and we'll do $61.79 DE so it's going to be a general legal either way it's still going to be the general miscellaneous general budget so it's not the bottom line it's still going to be the same I was just going to ask the same thing I was going to ask about what criteria led to some of the actuals going into the markets I'm going to have to pull up the detail on that can I help you do that? I'm just curious a problem that can be lumped I'm just curious about that it's legal for a lot more to learn about that on the other general because if it has something to do with something else it's not financial I would imagine that's where I got posted I would have to look to get you to see the answer I'd like to see it right now do you want me to email you guys that? no that's alright do you want to jump down? yes general recreation Steve Walcons came in today and if I remember correctly I think it's on a 2700 that they're asking for I don't know Walcons by the computer tonight so I'm going to get time to put that one in county tax stays the same HR I didn't do anything with any of that yet because you've been just still working on that yeah John and I have been working with talking we're still waiting for the quote to come back from Blue Cross Lucio so I left that blank I didn't do anything in that county is that I might just mention this year the way it works with the health insurance is that there's a special program through Blue Cross but they go upon experience so they take a look at you know basically what you know what are costs or the rate is based on that we'll see what happens and the numbers in that program will be the same I don't think the website is expensive yes that's always the zoning industry has always been a website and I think that that really fit there are none in there so I was going to ask you guys to create a new one item and put it under general expenses he is averaging about five hours a week or eight so sometimes weeks is less sometimes it's more and he is giving stuff all the time changes and having to remove stuff, add stuff so I based it off of what happened because I was submitted so far since July well based off an average of one alright so that's based on most of your business and now HR here of course has stuff you don't do until you get that right yeah I think we need for tax anticipation because we don't have one week to serve since it's not interest where would we book anything that's supposed to put into it it's fun it has its own fun so it's all these old ones anything under old one is the general fund okay so it doesn't show up as an expense at all it's just a transfer well what the payback yes it will show up it's going to show up it's going to show up it's going to show up it's going to show up it's going to show up what the payback it will show up as an expense you'll see that when we get to it I added it in here when we pay it back you're talking I'll show it up so you won't get there anything else around here what's that anything else the dues are all staying the same I haven't heard anything different tax is up there it's great the constables I just got them the same helped out the federal control officer I love the new guys they look out the same the same auditors I'm holding off on that too because I'm still waiting to see what we've got coming back from because I put it out for the audit this year because that's when I'm going to go up I'm going to go up a lot because it's a full audit how many recycles I want to get back in that the list there stood their own pay them up there is there a short reason for why they did it they did it yeah yeah yeah you see that you have to stay the same they did it it's only administrative stuff yeah I've pulled up his stuff as well it has dollars for legal services yeah that's new he must have something specific in mind no he's worried that something ever came up that's how I think we go that we can take that out that goes into the general legal mm-hmm based on the hours he's been working just from pulling a report for the last 24 weeks I think that might be a little high we'll have to give anything but I just wanted to bring that up I don't want to dissuade him right exactly yeah no because he's been really good if he doesn't need to work he doesn't if he's needed he's here yes he's very good about it planning commission I think that did they send that to you no okay so I'm going to put that in I have to dissuade him you don't want me to report the same I'm assuming that you will have the contract with mama so I can pass that to you and DRB do we know if we need to keep that from the dollars keeping the advertising yes yes absolutely whatever yeah yeah I do not have a chance to do any of mine and I'll I will get it done alright well that's fine we're looking to end at ETR okay do you want to I wanted to mention too that I can add a consulting to the show and if you don't know what she's been coming in it's not doing our work but working on stuff that no one has answers to I would highly recommend that we keep her on especially with the audit coming on they're going to go back three years and there's going to be things that I'm not going to know that she has been dealing with and again same with her she's not needed she's not here a lot of her time is off I took a minute earlier today you're in a date I don't know if she's a fan since she's been off it's been a lot less than what I I have a report on that too so I think the 67 we can probably put around 5 and just put when we get there but just having an extra salary or extra compensation that we have in the past there may be other things that we need to do to have I did 5,000 based on the numbers that I saw earlier and what she's done and you know Sasha's you know we'll probably need less and less but it's good to have but that's enough to look at the audits today for example there's going to be a work in chris cunt projects like that oh yeah we'll get that out when we get to the site no we're going to step in sit in it all of this fire stuff and then martin as you know he's not quite ready I did act as you heard his comment about the dodge it's such a thing it's going to stay there so I did add that and put that in there as well in the debt retirement on the second to last date so I pretty much left all the rest of it so the stuff I'm going to come in and talk about yeah I need to get all that I'm going to tell you today I think we're going to have to put pretty much on the flat line with materials and on that stuff that we're going to see so we can do Sasha to get all the work that we're going to do and make appointments for these guys probably that step on is ready to get the site and we have any questions more from the library or the board we'll reach out to you guys in case we need to have you for a minute maybe some just trying to figure out we'll have to get together and do some things because of the move and trying to some logistics so we'll do some communications I want to make sure we keep working anything else here Dylan thank you for spending the night here we've been here all day alone working hard it's a long day for you thank you for for the new time do you have any budget questions for Sharon before she gets out of here I don't know as far as format but do you make sure you put the date on the date the only reason why I say that as we go along for instance if something changes I want to make sure I'm looking at the right page I get more work to do on this to make it I'm going to put all of this on the top of the page it just doesn't have that much time to do it so I will I'll clean it up if you can send an Excel format to me here email it to you guys if you guys want to be on the page I will so do you want to get a price on security cameras yes she has some stuff she was going to be on Friday or something like that so yep alright so we just need to sign some stuff and then we can give you the way don't you how long can you start here in terms of getting your PPI started so Ray you're going to check and see if we should start now yeah so I think the pretender is so you can get a letter from somebody paying for the award then we can put our bond stuff together and send it back to you okay so I mean we can initial stuff but you know it's going to be one thing that is all Christian's statement is to approve the bid but they're the ones that are urging us to go forward with it but they'll go through obviously pending that they approve it but based on that so yeah you can get a letter fairly quick but you can let the guys know we'll be starting with that tomorrow yeah perfect okay I'm going to go over something and you know actually for tonight's minutes Jason the deal with the years of experience was that we couldn't go back we couldn't request that they had an excellent years of experience but there's nothing wrong with after choosing somebody we didn't choose a woman because they didn't have enough experience and it just happened that who G.J.S.I.S. has four years of experience there's nothing wrong with that okay that's wrong I don't know I don't want to show this problem right there it's confidential we can hear what's around the church is it just with the word alright I think that's it so there's a motion to adjourn I'll make a motion to adjourn I'll make a motion to adjourn alright thank you everyone thank you