Yes, please come. Good afternoon, please sit down. Ms. Jain, are you working anywhere? No, sir. No? And you finished her in 2015. So, after that, 16, you were in intern. 17, you were in AMA. So, you completed your AMA. Yes. And after that, I presume you have taken the exam. Yes. So, why do we wish to join the switch service? Sir, my inclination, when I started thinking about what I wanted to do in life, I was very much interested in public services. And I realized that this is the biggest platform for public services in the country. Apart from that, since my father is an IT officer, so I had a lot of familiarity with the services, which also helped me in my decision. Very nice. So, what qualities do you possess, which would make you a good civil servant? Sir, first, I would say empathy. I believe that I am an empathetic person and it's a good important quality for a civil servant. So, analytical skills, which will, I'm sure, help me in decision making. And apart from that, sir, I think optimism would also be one. Right. You're from Tamil Nadu? No, sir. You were born there? Yes, sir. I see. Where do you live now? Sir, currently, I mean, after starting my undergrad, after that I've been in Delhi. In Delhi mostly. Yes, sir. What is the ambit of Article 19-1A, freedom of speech and expression? Sir, it gives freedom of speech and expression as a fundamental right to all the citizens of the country. And so this extends to press freedom also and also freedom of expression in art, literature, movies, etc. But, sir, at the same time we have reasonable restrictions on the basis of things like morality, public order, relations with the foreign nations and other clauses, sir. How do we regulate speech on the social media? Sir, what we currently do is, sir, we collaborate with platforms like Twitter and Facebook, etc. So if there is any content which is unconstitutional or against the provision of the IT Act 2000, then, sir, they take it down. Apart from that, sir, we don't regulate. In terms of the government doesn't directly monitor what kind of content is there on the social media. Sir, as far as press is concerned, is there regulation for the press? Sir, there is some regulation. We have the press trust of India, I believe for the press commission of India. Yes, sir, press council of India for the written journalism. And, sir, we don't have a government body for the television media, but there are self-regulatory organizations. There is a self-regulatory organization. Okay, what is rule of law? Sir, rule of law means that the law of the land applies to everybody in the nation equally, irrespective of the background of that person. Okay, there was this Me Too movement sometime back. Yes, sir. Do you think it was a failure of our laws? Why did people not involve the regular process of law and went to the social media? Sir, yes, to some extent, there was a failure of implementation of laws because these laws were unable to make people feel safe enough to make people feel that, people did not feel that law was so accessible that they could complain to the non-aggressive. Apart from that, sir, Me Too movement has been a lot about just expressing that there is a sexual harassment in the society. Rather than particular cases, they have also been there. And in those cases, sir, many people have also taken the course of the law along with the Me Too campaign on the social media. Do you list some of the laws targeted against crimes against women? Sir, there is the Sexual Harassment at Workplace Act of 2013. There is an Act for Domestic Violence, Abolition Act, and there is Act against Daughey. There is an Act for a Child Prohibition of Child Marriage also, sir. So, under POCSO, we have special provisions for sexual harassment of girls and children. So, these are the Act set. What is the same Act in the Sexual Harassment at Workplace Act? What is the mechanism? Sir, according to the Act, every organisation must have an internal complaints committee to which if a woman feels, I mean, if a woman has a complaint of sexual harassment, they can directly complain to that committee. Sir, apart from that, another Act or every organisation must also regularly create awareness campaigns against sexual harassment and include it in their training as well. And so, so that is… There is a provision for penalty as well. Yes. I mean employer. And what about visitors to that office? Are they covered? Women visitors to an office. Are they covered under that ambit… within the jurisdiction of that committee, internal committee? Sir, I am not aware of this exact… Can you tell us about… There were some changes in law post-Nirvaya and various… Nirvaya incident… Yes, sir. Are you aware of some of the changes that were… what about in law? Sir, a Nirvaya Fund was created out of which there are many schemes which are operating including the Sakhi scheme, which is basically women's centres where women can go for support, legal support, medical support, etc. So, apart from that, the laws against rape have become more stringent. Why is that, sir, even in juvenile cases of juvenile… involvement of a juvenile in sexual harassment, the age of 16 in cases will be taken, sir. When we say it is the right against self-incrimination, what do we mean by this? Sir, it means that a person will not be opposed to become a witness against himself or herself during the law custody. Okay, thank you. You've written your copies as writing. Yes. What was the last article you wrote on? Ma'am, I wrote a poem last. You wrote a poem? Yes, ma'am. So, you have had your poems or your articles published? Ma'am, I had two short stories published in the annual College Magazine of the Landhouse and apart from that now, sometimes I upload my work on my blog. So, it is informal publishing. You have a blog? Yes, ma'am. Okay. Now, painting is also hobby. What meeting do you use? Ma'am, watercolour and oil paint. You put up some exhibitions? No, ma'am. Only in school and college. I'm jogging. How does it benefit you? Ma'am, it helps me keep fit. It helps me keep my focus. And I think, ma'am, it keeps me happy throughout the day. Good. Now, you also conducted or worked as an intern for two months. Yes, ma'am. What was the work you did here? Ma'am, we worked on Nalanga University website. So, we curated the content there and how it appears on links that are posted on Facebook and other social media. We also made the students handbook for that particular year and we would interact with the international students who wanted to join Nalanga University. So, Nalanga University is only for the post-graduation studies or even point of plans? Ma'am, it is only a post-grad. A post-grad. And residential. Yes, it is residential. Now, since you've studied in Delhi and lived in Delhi for a long time, we have a number of problems related to Delhi. One of them is pollution. Can you tell me why Delhi is becoming such a polluted city, especially where air pollution is concerned? Ma'am, from what I have read from multiple sources, vehicle pollution constitutes more than 40% of the air pollution in Delhi. So, ma'am, the number of vehicles in Delhi are too high and even though we have a good public infrastructure, it is not enough to cater to the demand. Ma'am, the issue of stubble-burthing in neighboring states like Western UP, Punjab and Haldana, apart from that, ma'am, construction activities create a lot of dust in particular matter. Brickins, thermal power plants, and... And the rotas. So, what did we do to address these problems? Ma'am, firstly, I think that in the long term we should focus on transit-oriented expansion of the city. Do they have any body which looks into pollution? Ma'am, recently, a body was created. I am... There is no great tribunal? I've never done that. Yes, ma'am, that's a judicial... What does the NGT do? Ma'am, the NGT is a tribunal which has a judicial and a non-judicial number and they take up directly all those cases which are related to environment. So, what has been advised? Ma'am, they banned the incoming diesel vehicles into Delhi. There was a ban on firecrackers as well. During the peak time of pollution in winter, they also asked the Delhi government to take certain measures. And one more... What about the diesel vehicles, private diesel vehicles? Yes, ma'am. Yes, ma'am, that was also done by the NGT. What do you think should be done to bring down pollution levels? Can you think of any practical solution which you as a student or a resident of Delhi can do? Ma'am, there are giant air purifiers which are being employed by China. Ma'am, when you bring it in as a student, I use the word as a student. As a student, what NGT is? I am sorry, ma'am. I misunderstood the question. Ma'am, as a student, in my personal life, there would be small steps like conserving as much electricity as possible. Apart from that, in front of wherever I live, we can take water sprinkling measures so that there is possible role for personal health. Ma'am, I would advise people to use air masks during the peak hours of pollution. And awareness creation as a student can be an important thing. Now again, Delhi is not a safe city, especially for women. What steps would you suggest to make Delhi a safer place? Ma'am, can I take a moment? Yes. You studied in Miranda, so you would be aware of the problems in and around your college. So, tell me. Ma'am, should I first say the steps over the past? Yes, twice the steps that you would suggest. Ma'am, firstly, there needs to be awareness generation on mask level in Delhi because it is the attitude of the society which means you might start from the school level. Yes. Ma'am, apart from that, there needs to be better, I mean, more police monitoring, more police figures, especially at night and in sensitive areas. Women's health has been introduced in Uttar Pradesh, so that could be a good initiative. Not about streets? Yes, ma'am. CCTV cameras? CCTV cameras, lighting of the city. Yes. You are saying that the title won't do, so we teach women to... Yes, for their own safety. Ma'am, Delhi Police has a program to teach martial arts to women. All right. Thank you. Ms. Jain, have you heard of the Right to Information Act? Yes, sir. What are the objectives, primary objectives of this act? Sir, the primary objectives were to make the government more transparent and accountable, so that people... and to make it more accessible also, so that people could ask questions and get answers to them. Now tell me, have you ever used the RTI Act? No, sir. I haven't. Now, when a person seeks information from the government department, can the government department withhold some information? Yes, sir. On certain grounds, the government can... national security. There are eight grounds. Relations with foreign nations. Also, there is the plus-plus-two information, which does not have a large public interest. Business interest. Now, apart from this, does the act provide exemption to certain government organizations? Complete exemption. Can we do a review of the RTI Act? Sir, whether or not it's an act provided, but for example, judicial is not the copy of the act, right? Government? Organizations? Judiciary is... they design most of the issue, but if you recall, Yalabad High Court used to charge 500 rupees for a RTI Act. And the Supreme Court had recently given a direction saying that you cannot charge more than 15 rupees. Yes, sir. So, RTIs have been filed. It's a different matter than all many issues. They do not give a response, right? Yes. Now, the Central Information Commission, what is the role of that? Sir, it takes the appeals of all the people who fight with what we denied the submission in the RTI Act. And... Let's say, it's an appellate... what do you mean? It also works proactively in our institution about the RTI Act. Right. Now, is there any linkage between the Central Information Commission and the State Information Commission? Yes, sir. The Central Information Commission operates at the national level, state information at the state level. That's it. That is the thing. I mean, there is no subordination of the SIC to the CIS. Central Information Commission looks after the Central Government Department. The State Information Commission looks after the State Government Department. Yes, sir. Now, can a Supreme Court judge be removed? Yes, sir. Are there any grounds laid down in the Constitution? Sir, there are two grounds, two misbehavior and interpassive. Interpassive. What is the procedure which was established? Sir, a bill has to be introduced. Motion, motion. A motion has to be introduced in the Lok Sabha or the Rajasabha. In the Lok Sabha with 100 people's signatures and in the Rajasabha with 50 people's. And, sir, after that, there is a committee is created of three members which goes into the aggregations. That particular committee consists of a a jurist member, the Chief Justice of India is not implicated. And, sir, I cannot remember there is one more member. A... Chief Justice of it? State. Yes, sir. And after, if the committee is the Chief Justice of the House passes a resolution and if the resolution is passed by a special majority, then... Then he stands. Have you heard of the Malabar Naval Exercise? Yes, sir. What is that? Sir, it is a theatre level tri-lateral exercise in which India, Japan and USA participate. There is something else called the Millen Naval Exercise. What is that? Sir, can I take a moment? Sir, can I make a guess? I am not sure about this. Sir, is it with France? No, Millen is a it is a much larger Indian Ocean region countries. Yes, sir. And that is held by India. That is twice in India. And it is held by under the Andaman Naval Command. Like in June last year there were 16 countries which participated. But, the world is backed out in the last one because of the change in the government. So, there are two different exercises, right? Yes, sir. And now, Kulbushan Jadhav who was arrested by Pakistan what prompted India to appeal in the international court of justice? Sir, Kulbushan Jadhav was not given the... the Indian Council was not given access to him and he was being denied some basic rights under the law. And he was sentenced to death. So, all these three... That should have come first. He was sentenced to death. Yes. And because of that we had to move the... So, what has happened there now? Is the trial over? No, sir. It is still under being... Yeah, in fact, it is to be held... in fact, to be held tomorrow in the next couple of days for a final decision. Okay, thank you. Do you know the good governance concept? Yes, sir. World Bank gave it? Yes. What are the ingredients of it? So, the proactiveness, responsiveness, accountability, transparency. Sir, I cannot remember all the components of it right now. You know the basic structure concept? Yes, sir. As propounded in the Krishna M. Bhakti case? Yes, sir. Names are very important. Basic features of the Constitution which cannot be touched So, secularism? You think secularism is important? There are others, more important than secularism. Sir. Or greater importance. So, federalism? Federalism, federal structure. Federal structure of the world, in important. Very good. What else? So, there are many others I... Identify only the most important ones. Sir, can I take a moment? Yes, of course. So, some of the fundamental rights are part of the basic structure. Which ones? Sir, right to life and liberty. Sir. What is the article? Twenty-one sir. Very good. What else? So, freedom of speech and expression is also part of it, but with restrictions. Yes, in a way. Article 19, entire article 19 is part of it. Yes. Yes. And last, which is one more article? One more fundamental right? Equality. Yes. Very good. Article 14 and 19, 21, these are part of it. Yes. But there is still some more important features which we left out. All right. I will end it. Yes. Separation of powers. Yes. Independence of the nation. Our constitution is a combination of rigidity and flexibility. Where does the rigidity lie? Sir, rigidity, can be seen in the basic structure itself that we don't compromise with the basic structure. What else? There is one more source of rigidity. We have a single, we have a constitution, written constitution that gives rigidity to the human. Real core of the system. Sir, can I take a call? Yes. Sir, I cannot call it. Certain subjects cannot be amended in the constitution. Except when there is number one, they are required to third majority. Also, consent of 50% of the states. Yes. Others require only to third majority. Yes. And that is where the rigidity comes. The 50% states, you know, they have to consent to a change. Our constitution, our quality is a combination of federalism and unitary, unitary features. Yes. Name two most important unitary features of the constitution, of our quality. Sir, in the demarcation of the list, the residuity powers live in the centre. No. But something else? Sir, sir, I... Yes. Thank you. Sir, India is, I mean, sorry, so the states can be, the boundaries of the states can be made and remade by the parliament without any consultation with the state, so that is a unitary feature. Our emergency powers, the unitary feature. Yes, sir. It gives overwhelming power to the district centre. Yes. Yes. Emergency powers, where do they live? Article 352, Article 356, and Article 316. 316, and I shall discuss it, right? Among the three lists also, centres will will prevail if there is a conflict in concurrentness. Yes, sir. It can also make laws on the interest with the consent of the rasana. Yes. And if there are two states are willing to... Yes, are willing to do it, right? Those are the unitary features. Yes. You know, criminals have been entering politics and Supreme Court has been trying to bar them from politics. Yes. There was a landmark judgment in 2013. Are you aware of this statement? Are you aware of it? Do you know what it did? What was the effect of this verdict? Sir, it banned those politicians who had been convicted of offenses with more than two years of punishment from contesting in the elections. No. It barred them immediately. Immediately. Otherwise, the previous law permitted them three months time to appeal, etc. Yes, sir. Supreme Court said, no. That law is investigational. They will be barred at once. Some important issue. UP is your choice, first choice. Yes, sir. Why UP? Why not deadly pattern? Sir, I have woken up in UP. This is my school diagram. Then you tell me two most very important issues of UP when they were forced to be imported. So, that is a good case. Good. So, Second, 1100 police accounts. Yes, sir. So, I was actually not aware whether there is a case or whether the Supreme Court had to actively sent or I did not mention it. Yes, sir. Supreme Court has sent a notice to the UP. Yes. NDA has launched a number of major schemes. Name two schemes which you consider flagship programs. Two schemes, think very carefully and then answer. So, what I would say is the Ujwala scheme. Excellent Ujwala. And so, second would be baby buttocks or baby buttocks because it is we have seen remarkable improvement. It is quite good but financially including the schemes have done much better. Now, what was your subject in MA literature? Period but you reported this to be basic or romantic. So, all of it, sir. All of it. So, we started to Who is your favorite author? So, I have many but if I had to name one, I would say Virginia Bull. So, she don'tness is always so. That is your favorite name? Yes, sir. Who has written these lines? I am reading some lines. The snail is on the form. Lord is in his heaven. All his life with the world. I will start from the beginning and then if you will. The season is at the spring. The day is at the morning. The morning is at 7. The dew is the leaf is dew but. Sir, I am not sure but it seems like Shakespeare. No, Robert Brown. Yes. The past song famous word and who has written this? I wonder lonely as a club that's boards on high or hills and veils and all at once I saw a host of golden daffodils. Sir, William Bordsman. What's the name of the phone? Daffodil. All right, we close the interview. The view is on 15th of March. So, you might call most of now. By large, you might be able to handle it nicely in this interview. There are certain areas where I wish to say that you should strengthen your knowledge. Yes, sir. But since English literature happens to dominate your daff. Yes, sir. Then also you took it as a important writer. Just brush up your knowledge. Yes, sir. Which you should be able to do in 10-15 days. Yes, sir. Secondly, you are from Delhi. So, get your lot of data on Delhi. For instance, what is the relationship between left-hand governor and Delhi administration? 239 W.A. article of the Constitution. Yes, sir. Then two Supreme Court judgments are the same relationship. Two Supreme Court judgments. Last year, one came recently. Yes, sir. A few days. Leader of those. Yes, sir. Then pollution is a very serious problem. What has been done to protect pollution in Delhi? Yes, sir. In this, I will give you a little this. I can give you a little help about this. You can take a look and leave it outside. Yes, sir. This will give you some of the judgments important and reassuring. Yes, sir. Yes, sir. What have you done? Then like Delhi saved Delhi for women. What is being done? You were asked a number of questions on Nirmaya, Hosni Nirmaya, etc. There can be a question. What happened to the Nirmaya fund? Then what is the situation as the situation about women's safety proved or not? Now this is the last report of 2016 which says most of the crime against women remains either under investigation or conviction rate is very poor. So you can quote those statements. Yes. Similarly about children like you were saying about oxoids. Yes, sir. So that also you will get from NCRP. Yes, sir. Then you must know some important principles, constitutional principles like basic structure. Our rigid constitution is rigid of flexible, unitary or federal. Yes, sir. Then a few important judgments like Nenka Gandhi judgment, Neelay Thomas judgment, etc. Good governance cards are considered. Yes, sir. U.P. I passed you only two but supposing they want to ask a little more about U.P. You live in Noida. No, sir. No, sir. No, sir. I live in Delhi currently. Yes, sir. I did my schooling till 12. All right. I missed it. I missed it sometimes. So these are the and lastly your say police martial arts. Yes, sir. Now they can ask you what are these arts? What is their practical utility? Whether it should be promoted or not promoted? So you should be able to hold your ground and say yes, why it is useful? You see these things are and then writing, playing, painting, etc. All this become a subject for Christians. Christians are interested in religious paintings. Names of painters are you fond of Netscape or Portrait or Cubism or you know yes, sir. Whatever art you fond of. So on that you should know some authorities. Yes, sir. Sitna Kareng or Kareng affairs Kareng or Kareng or Kareng or Kareng or Kareng or Kareng Yes. What now? Ah Ah This should have an hilichatt This should have an hilichatt as well. Mr. Srree Shall I make it up? Sir, should I make it up? Ah Ah Don't forget to like share and subscribe to our And press the bell Icon to never miss an update


Thanks for staying with us. We have this topic that I talked about earlier. Hospitals, Sean Hippocratic, Oath and Law in treatment of gunshot victims. And our guest this morning is Dr. Tuye Mabawando, Public Health Physician and publisher CEO of HealthNica. Good morning and welcome to the program, Dr. Good morning. Nice to see your face. Yes. Thank you for joining us. Did I get your name correctly? Let's try it again. Mabawando. Yeah, it's alright. Okay. I passed that test. Okay, now let's get to know what the Hippocratic Oath is. Let's start from the Hippocratic Oath. Before we go into the topic why we're talking about jettisoning this Hippocratic Oath. Yeah, the Hippocratic Oath was actually administered on to every doctor worldwide at induction. When you pass and you not become a doctor, you have to take the oath. The oath means that you have to do your duty without biases of race, color, religion or whatever. You have to actually give yourself to the care of your patients and to do your duty dispassionately. That is what the Hippocratic Oath is. Hippocratic Oath puts patients at the center of care. Okay, it puts patients at the center of care. It's patient-centric in a way and allows you to do your duty without molestation, without political concentration, without cultural or any concentration at all. So the ultimate game of the Hippocrates who was actually the first physician in Greece there in the temple, what we call it the temple of Apollo, was this in Greece time, was actually to invite into every medical practitioner that's tenants, that's Greeks, that discipline to practice the profession without fear of evil. Okay, so right now the problem is that hospitals are not adhering to that. Okay, let me not use hospitals. Doctors are not adhering to that because if I say hospital, it might sound like it's something else. The hospital didn't take the oath, it is the doctors that took the oath. Now hospitals or doctors are not adhering to this oath. What does that say about the medical profession and the well-being of the people who are supposed to be taken care of by these doctors? That's a very simplistic conclusion and it's worrying when we are depressed, at level of depressed and media, when we all say that doctors are not adhering to Hippocratic oath. So very simplistic because again, for Hippocratic oaths to function, there are conditions, there are situations. Now, what you're talking about gunshot victims, let's look at the stakeholder in this, in this, in caring for gunshot people. One, we have the society, the police and the law. Okay, on one side. We have the patients and the relatives at the second pillar and we have the hospital, doctors and the health system as a third part. Okay now, if you look at it, most of the things that happens to doctors or that happens at level of the hospital flows from society. It has to flow from society, either the law or the police or experience. Okay, those are the clear contents, you know, exactly what happened. Now let's look at this gunshot victim. We know that gunshot necessarily doesn't mean that the person is an accidental gunshot. Ambrobas, thieves, police, ascentage, discharge can lead to gunshot injury. Okay, for the doctors, we don't know where it's coming from.  And that experience has led to the initial demand that, okay, if you are having gunshot injury, bring your police reports.  We've heard we are going to do that. But look at the scenario. If police are the ones responsible for the gunshot injury, are they going to do, you know, are you going to get them to even take the person to the hospital? Because they are supposed to bring the person to the hospital. We're not going to be on the road looking for people with gunshot injuries. Now, look at our society. People tend to quote other countries as their example. Look at our society. The ambulances are not working. You have public ambulances that can pick gunshot people and then start reviving them before they get them to the hospital. The ambulances are not working. Now, the first thing is that, for those gunshot people to the hospital, when you bring them to the hospital, the first thing doctors can do is to give, if within this capability, because you are a part of refer, within this capability to try to treat, okay? Now, if those guys involved are called guys, or in a decent environment, who gives protection to doctors that is treating the person with gunshot injury? And the, you know, the act also stipulates that you must ensure that the person can, you must report to police within one hour, or is it two or one hour, yes, after you have recited the person. Apparently, it has been that all police stations is like from here to plus TV, okay? Or they do the precinct. They don't know that Nigeria is a country of large landmasses. Where, in fact, you have to drive many hours, many hours to assess police. If by the time you get to the police station, you may not even have access. Look at what's happening in Kathmandu now. At four o'clock, we'll get to the police station. Okay, if you want to treat gunshot injury. How do you contact the police station? So now, look at, use Kathmandu as an example again. If you're used to pick the person in, and the other members of the budget enter the hospital to retrieve their person. In that case, what do you do? Let's say police or army, you know, they go, got hold of the, of those bandages, and they were shot. And then they, they, they modified themselves in the hospital and you are treating. The other band, no matter the bandit will come to the hospital, invade the hospital and do whatever they want to, like, with anybody they see there. Where is the protection for those doctors that, or these health workers that are working in that hospital? They are not providing protection for them. Okay. Even to communicate to the police station, there's no even hotline that says that whenever you see a case of gunshot injury, this is, if you cannot call on time, please call us, put record on, send an email, upload the picture on display. I mean, it will not have sufficient interaction to be able to find different modalities of reporting those cases. Now, you want doctors to just come, to dump the person and work away. The second thing is that the police can, I can only take over the person, when the person is, when you say the person is stable, when the medical director says the person is stable. Now, why you are treating the person? You are going to incur money. You are going to, you know, because at the end of the day, we're talking from experience. When you incur the money, you have to compensate the person who pays you. When you say that you are saving life and not supposed to be paid, the police will not pay you. The government will not pay you. There's no insurance company there. The family will run away. So the doctors will perpetually be in charge of taking care of the patient, paying for the patient, nurturing the patient, providing security for the patient. So now, how do you want them to be here? Let's face it. Gunshot injuries are not just simple injuries. It requires a multi-disciplinary approach to get treated. A doctor may see somebody, it may appear to be a shot into the abdomen. You never know. The spleen might have ruptured, the kidney might have ruptured, the organ might have ruptured. You have multiple injuries that you need multi-specialty. Where do we have multi-specialty in a private hospital in this Nigeria when you move away from Lagos? So now, the big question is that the doctor will look and say, listen, I can give this thing, go for care elsewhere. And people will interpret that to mean rejection. It's not always rejection. So the narration is quite skewed. And people prescribing severe punishment for doctors in trying to treat a gunshot injury with that, I will consider compensation. I don't have to recruit the money as a tribute to the hospital and to even create a seamless communication between the police and the health worker. What I mean by seamless communication is if I cannot visit the police station because I'm busy, is there a phone call that I can do? Is there a place I can send an e-mail? Is there a place I can upload? Is there a security for me when I'm treating this patient so that this is a criminal?  So I don't know why we just look on a very fragile foundation and environment and expect the law to work. Well, I don't know about a lot of other states, but I do know that Lagos State has emergency lines, not modern one, that people are supposed to call in case of emergency. I can see this as an emergency. What is your level of interaction with these lines when it comes to these kind of cases? And, you know, just talking about interactions, when this law, when this directive was given by the authorities, maybe the presidency or the governor and all that, people who made the pronouncements that you can treat without police reports, what was your level of interaction with the authority to say all these challenges that you're churning out this morning and what was their response like? Because the general notion is that, okay, you were comfortable with it and that pronouncement was made. We didn't hear much about doctors saying, these are our challenges. You need to address it because that is what it should be. But it was quiet and everybody just assumes that, okay, it is going to be happening and it's not happening. So what is the level of interaction with those in authority to air your concerns like you're airing now? Now, where you make a law? I suppose before you make a law, you have to follow all the stakeholders involved. Before you make a law, you have to listen to the perspective you want the law to work. The stakeholders are not just doctors alone here. The stakeholders even involve the public, the police, okay, and the ambulance system. What you're talking about, let me just refer you to what you mentioned because it has an emergency number. I guess you drive around Lagos and you can just validate this point. How many ambulance points with ambulance have you seen around Lagos at the same time? Okay, so I will leave it at that, okay? And then I also want you to try and interact with these numbers that is being bandied about, you know, to hope that it serves the purpose you're seeing and it's actually very responsive like Riley pointed out. Now, when you are making law, the first thing is public engagement of the stakeholders, okay? Now, to what extent, when the public engaged? To what extent were the medical institutions engaged? To what extent were the communication system engaged? Even the ambulance people engaged in duty with this, okay? Now, if all these scenarios are raised, are being raised over and over, even now, even if it has not been raised before, this is not the first time I'm talking about gun shots in duty, okay? I've spoken about it as long as four years ago, even close to eight years ago, I can still get back to some of my clips in other television stations, okay? Are they not listening? Are they not hearing?  I am not trying to save the life. The other guy who came to the hospital, who is protecting the doctor? Who is protecting the doctor, okay? Now, as I'm trying to save the person, why give me just an hour to report to police? So what can I do in an hour, in reality? Okay, if I cannot get to police number, police station, what do I now do? You don't have an email. You don't have a dedicated line. You don't have an interaction in police contribution shifting. These are just the clear cut issues. How much are we now using this in the public, okay? Now, you see, you have a health system that is virtually broken, which you respect, okay? But what I mean by broken, if you're having about 20,000 doctors treating 20,000 or 50 million people, how else do you describe broken system? If you're in a place where attack that happens cannot be responded to, where the majority of the hospitals are in the center of the town, the rest, you know, you have to really go distance. Where even the competency of the workers are those extreme places. Most of those injuries, let's face it, happen at the periphery, the rural strangers of the nation, okay? Look at what is happening, the banditry and the killing happening in Kanduna, in Sokoto, all over the place in Niger Delta. These are places that you won't be able to see the presence of police. So, it's even such that, because again, the criminalization of that is important and you don't have to pay half a million, why? Okay, you said that I have to wait until the person gets well, you know, before the police can interrogate who is providing support and security. When the doctors incur a lot of money, a lot of costs, because of treating people like that, who pays? Why are you not looking at those things to encourage the doctors? If the police can say that they don't want to treat anybody who will pay, these are guaranteed for payment. A lot of things may change. The police says that once you have a gunshot, you will deploy one security officer with a gun to watch over you or to decide the person. You see a lot of things will change. A police says that, okay, if you cannot get us within one hour, you can get us within a day. These are other means of getting on. A lot of things will change. Doctors are not trained to be so hearted. We are trained to save lives. But make those laws and conditions conducive for us to interact and save those lives. That is what we're trying to do. I'm just concerned. I'm asking how much have you engaged, even if the government is negligent, they are making laws without talking to the stakeholders. On the part of doctors, how much have you engaged the government to make them know these things you're concerned about? Because they are making the laws, obviously they are not talking to the people. But when the law is not to your advantage, you have to speak out. How much have you engaged the government to make them realize these things they are not doing? You can actually guess the day, the afternoon from the morning. A lot of things that have to do with medical issues, how to get the best out of the health care system is up for discussion every time. How much of them have the government responded to. Secondly, the medical associations, different cadres of medical associations have been always promises they will do not. How long can you endure those promises? And then, I have not seen where the hypocrites have said that our judgment died instead of not treating the person. I have not seen where they said died instead of not treating the patient. Again, first of all, we must stay alive. What protection have you given to us? Listen, I had worked with it. Let me look at the background. I had worked with the state government in a public health system for 20 years before I left. One of my posts was in a children's hospital. The most popular children's hospital. And there, I can tell you, even in that hospital, when some families feel that they have lost their child unjustly, they will go to the hospital and we will get the police. I didn't hear the police station. It's always stories. It's not once, it's not twice. Okay? We can guess his... Go ahead, we can get you now. What it means exactly. Okay? These are the things, these are the contents, you know, we need to do something. You don't even protect the health worker. And you want the health worker who is not carrying guns you don't be paying his whole role by obeying Hippocratic code. Where the condition to obey the Hippocratic code is not optimal. Let us address those things. Doctors will do their work. We have been doing it. What is something you said simple but worrisome is that maybe I didn't get it right but that the numbers, even the emergency numbers that are given by the state government does not work in response to those calls that come on those numbers is not good enough. Is that what you said before I get here? What you can do is simply this. I challenge you to try those numbers at odd hours okay? Feed us back on your own risks. Odd hours, okay. Now, let's digress a little bit from just gone short wounds. There have been cases where people complain that even accident victims are taken to hospitals and doctors do nothing about it. The first thing they ask you is who is going to pay for it and a lot of people have died because in an accident situation, sometimes it's just a good Samaritan as it were that will find you on the roadside and taken to the hospital and the doctors do nothing about it because they want to deposit, they want this and that. So what role does the Hippocratic code play in all of this and do you have a way of getting those doctors to do the needful? Now, it's going to be, you know, that will be not a common situation. I can show you, it will be a common thing that accident victims are taken to hospitals and doctors are not doing much. Now, I know that they will first of all in most cases because you know how human brain works is to show that the work force that is funding you is amplified and pushed at the dominant narration. Okay? Yes. Because I am telling you, I had worked in government for over 30 years before I left, you know I have gone to private state at any time when I was going to pick up pumps, what you do first is to actually assure that the blood stopped. Now, you need to be able to have experience of what goes on with those doctors and will help workers and hospitals to know that in reality no common is to do more. What about, because of course rightly so the issue of payment becomes important. Hippocratic code will not equip your hospital. Hippocratic code will not honestly find the drugs and consumables Hippocratic code will not pay I am talking about private hospitals now. Hippocratic code will not pay salaries, you know and buy fuel for the hospital. Okay? Now, each doctor says that I am treating you and I can give you copious examples if I have been a doctor for three decades I can give you copious example of what's the example where even that you take care of delivered, you know I bother the baby running away you have to be the one taking nursing the baby, calling police, taking the baby's home, where people that you know are injured, if I am able to run away they don't want to talk to you again for three months they are hanging on the hospital there. You know, these are experiences that you should feed into the system and look around to improve better the system. Okay? It's not an experience to wake up and castigate the doctors. So, for all doctors that ask for deposit for a client of accident teams, I am sure there are hundreds that will not bother even in government hospitals. And then, what is essential is that whoever brings, I have seen people that have brought it to the doctor don't worry, we will find a way. But when somebody is not talking it is important it is important that the doctor do the treatment. I am not saying that there are no doctors that will ask for this opportunity but there will be a very few in number. It should not be the domino narration that I can provide so I can castigate online. That will not be the domino narration. So, again, the question is that how do we now synergize and enhance those kind of positive narratives in this space? Our emergency system is non-existent. You can, when there is accident when there is water on land or anywhere look, you see our response system is actually, you know for instance in Lagos the emergency services that respond those groups, they respond they do try hygiene, they try to take two kilometers and you see quite a lot of interesting response. When the drink collided with bus we saw how the response was. When houses are burning, we saw what those guys are doing and doing what they're doing well. And the people there are still hand workers. When do you get this narration that doctors want to see that burn for the opposite? We should be careful of social media problems. Okay? Oh trust me doctor, this is not social media. Like you say, let me just take you on your words that some of these people there are a lot of people who will treat without asking for these things that I'm talking about but this is not social media, this is experience that doctors will tell you that you have to deposit something or sometimes you're just left at the door there and all your good Samaritan work is something else. So this is something we have seen but you have said that there are others that do not do that and I take that We will continue having the argument you will continue having the argument, you understand? And this is that you know all doctors always obey those hypocrisy codes fully I said that for one that does that there are 100 that want to do it that is my argument. Yes, that's what I'm taking, that's what I believe I'm taking that that is good but you said is social media, that's what I'm telling you this is not from social media. The narration is to accentuate that singular doctor that refused to do it and I said that no So rather, even if the singular doctor is not doing it we should be able to sit down and decide that what again, how do we improve this interface? How do we improve it? This interface and for me that's where I am How do we improve it? We can improve it by further investing our health system The first investment in health system is you actually human resources Now we are talking about the business we have to invest in our emergency response system Yeah, emergency response system is far and in between we don't have emergency system you can always say twice to that but perhaps you are a city dweller you see it, you express a bit of it then go to the remote area there's no emergency health system for me apart from Lagos where do you guys see us talking about emergency in the most maybe two states, in the Ayatollatay system how many cities do you get that kind of thing where they set up a dedicated emergency health system and they are funding it I was part of the people that crafted the second national strategic development plan for the nation I work in one whole state one whole state where we look at all these narratives it's not just there it's not just there we don't let us deceive ourselves some states codify few the rest are just like that I have access to the whole report and these are the things we look to work so first and foremost let's build our emergency health response system let's build that it is a multi-disciplinary even the training on resuscitation coronary resuscitation how many people how many of your members can actually use CPR correctly so that's where the response starts from do we have the means or the ambulance you can call and say come and take this person to General House which will take this person to teach us or whatever do you have any ambulance you can call readily because even if you have the ambulance you have the people who are there who start to trade to work so it is not just that doctors yes, they are the summation of everything but there are other inputs that we need to work on for us for this apocatic code doctors show you apocatic codes and that's what I mean by a kind of single eye narration that we are seeing in the media so for me it's going to get better if we keep discussing about it but let us take a feedback from these kind of discussions let's take a feedback and then put it into the way forward police cannot just come and tell me that reports within one hour you have 500,000 an hour to pay supposing the nature of the case will not make me report within an hour that maybe I have to stay for 5 hours that's serious supposing am I treating the person okay I have to pay security challenge who protects me take this feedback when I need to work with the police when I need to work with the general population and most of the time when this gunshot injury hits somebody is a very grave emergency I was not talking about a gunshot injury to the thigh a gunshot injury to the chest or head is a grave emergency that has less than 20 neurosurgeons who is going to open it why are you going to get them in the first instance okay you tell the general to do the whole thing they are looking for the neurosurgeon the man is somewhere in Apelkuta somewhere far what are you going to do so we have to build that basic structure basic requirement to help the doctors to vary the hypocriticals hmm interesting well we are talking today we are talking about the responsibility of the doctors to the patients that is why we are concerned about that but you know if we digress a little bit we know that the health sector has been complains upon complains some use these complains as a reason why they are leaving the country to go to other countries and then there is health tourism to other countries and none coming to Nigeria someone is coming to the Bawalawu because it is a spiritual problem but otherwise there is no tourism to Nigeria so what are these things that need to be fixed I know you have mentioned a lot of them in the course of our talking but for purpose of emphasis what are these things that need to be put in our health system the basic ones that will make our people the manpower that you have talked about that is very important for the health sector to move or to work it has to be manpower and all that so what is it that is going to maintain this manpower to stay in our country and work and secondly what is it that can be done to drive a tourism health tourism to the barest minimum to the barest minimum that is people leaving the country to go and find help somewhere else will reduce and have people coming into Nigeria to get health problems solved so tell us some of these things that need to be done by the government I know you have said it in many fora I am sure but let us have it here again we never know who is listening I don't usually like something like this but I will support Professor Campbell in Harvard University when we are doing that course you want to change the health system you follow the money why why must we follow the money because one health is capital intensive very capital intensive you have to put in your resources you have to build infrastructure you have to do research you have to develop your drugs in treatments healthcare is capital intensive what you said guys give 15% of your budget to health Nigeria is doing the best of 5% why do I call you like Malawi they are actually going beyond those things so how do you reconcile that secondly when you have a health insurance that is just doing 80% after how many years how do you get to know that because for you to build that quality also when you have the maximum production of doctors in the country yearly it's about 3,000 that's our capacity so how do you use 3,000 to deliver health 3,000 medical doctors per year to deliver health insurance when maybe 1,000 of that will also jacquard yes out of that some of that will jacquard if you can employ me in your place I will even come and work there is an external jacquard as the case may be ok people want to work because of that pull and push factors so now first and foremost to train the sufficient let them take science from secondary school let them take science when they take science improve your capacity to train more improve your capacity to train more thirdly budget for health is that if you budget for health low government can build primary health care center and run it after that government can run teaching hospital in a way and give them that power to function and then your compensation mechanism is not just about increased salary what is we looking for some of the people just want extra money to have a home in the same place give them more gauge use it to tie them down use it to tie them down give them access to do courses anywhere in the world provide that because at the end of the day there is a feedback into your system recently government said that the country live of access I think I can anybody think like that for doctors because in reality mixing is so dynamic we are talking about as you are intelligent in medicine now all those knowledge you have to pick elsewhere when you do those out of station sabbatica you need to pick those knowledge everywhere imagine about eclectic knowledge you pick from everywhere and apply it to your people so now you are counseling that are you going to be using Babalawaw prophet to heal your people so I don't just understand some of this decision we take instead of us to be able to compete from just one single drug called ozampic they made the country made a lot of money we cannot even develop anything in this place so you know the quality of your university and education is important the quality of your budgeting is important the kind of training you give to your people and the update training to your doctors is also important people want to stay here they love to stay in Nigeria but they also want to have that kind of environment to practice the medicine the way they want to practice it so they know I'm sure the government knows but why we are not seeing them implementing this why we are not seeing them is another big issue you can know you may want to implement but if we focus on health I was listening to a Q and A you brought to the fore you feed your nation you provide health system you provide education for them so these are priorities when you say manifesto having 100, 200 pages it's manifesto of deceit and lies just from 5 things it's sufficient to make a lot of change in your nation so people know I'm not the one to even just say this but I want to just be through the contribution to what is known already we'll get there we'll get there you said something about developing something in our country we can't even develop and all that I'd like your opinion or what your feeling is about not just orthodox medicine but traditional medicine what's the place of traditional medicine in modern day health modern day health let's say so what do you feel as doctors about traditional medicine and its development what we need is standardization of traditional medicine when anybody has any pastata in Nigeria it's actually they're looking for pepper, they're looking for money lots to do the work I can tell you authoritatively even in the care of cancer worldwide they put traditional medicine incorporate traditional medicine into a lot of those anti-cancer drugs recently in charge of breathing had came down with process cancer they said look guys I'm not going to use any medicine, I'm going to use herbs now you know the herb is going to be used probably going to go to India you know because just what they standardize they're evening medicine to a point where it's having incorporated into the orthodox drugs medicine that handshake is very essential but for the handshake to happen we need to develop that standardize our traditional medicine appropriately, we need to we can't just be looking at it as an assumption we need to, so for me where we're missing it exactly is that we have not done enough to standardize our traditional medicine and curiously I remember one of the research done in the past but one traditional medicine that has this erection it was found that it was even Viagra that was incorporated into the orthodox medicine the orthodox medicine is actually you know horrendous you cannot just imagine what it means so that standardization and checking NAPDAC is not empowered because I remember in the past years ago we were still having challenges in trying to check to analyze the content of a lot of traditional products so together once you do standardize anybody who sell anything for you in the bus on the street even in the church or mosque they will sell it as traditional medicine ok so in the world nowadays we are seeing that you know synchronicity kind of you know handshake across orthodox medicine traditional medicine or what I would call a mystical or esoteric medicine where people use meditation relaxation you know to actually calm mind and you know further make other medicine work the discussion is ongoing and they are working on it even the role of prayer in human health people are looking at everything but for our own we are still at a level of magical thinking we want it to just happen magically you decree and it happens decree and it happens and not just in our medicine it has eroded the politics and the way the way we look for money let it just happen magically so magical thinking will not solve anything it is critical thinking that will actually solve anything we should be able to do our thing and test if we are seeing that this medicine, this traditional medicine this leaf can cure this thing apply it now let's say the result is something like that we are not in contentions we are in cooperation we should cooperate and we will not attend to ourselves this is a good way to drop it we would like to thank you doctor for coming on the program and enlightening us we do hope that the government sits up not just to make policies and laws but also to look at all the corners that will make those policies and laws to succeed especially engaging the critical stakeholders in whatever they want to say in whatever pronouncements they want to make it's not just in health we have seen them make pronouncements in so many other things that we are just looking at them like did they think it through or did they just wake up one morning and say okay let me make the people clap for us we would like to thank you so much for coming on the show this morning oh thank you for having me thank you talking with doctor Tui public health physician and publisher CEO health Nica and the argument today was that hospitals have shown apocratic oath and law in treatment of gunshot victims he was giving us the reasons why these things happen and what needs to be done for this law or policy to come to fruition and people do the needful thing and very important thing was security and then a second thing was who foots the bill and so many other things so we do hope that whoever is watching right now whoever is listening will do the needful let's start from the basic ones and then we move up and this is where eventually we are going to draw the curtain on today's breakfast and remember our quote for today was that health is a relationship with your body be sure that you have that positive relationship so that your body will stay healthy and if it stays healthy that is the greatest wealth that you can have you have woken up today and it's a very important day we do hope that we will all make the best of today for our own benefit and to the greater glory of our country Nigeria and not forgetting glorifying the Lord who made this happen thank you so much for being a part of our show this morning let's do it again tomorrow my name is Nyam Gul Akaji


Little shoe hospital. This is my granddad. This is my dad. These were the workers back in those days. And then this is another old picture. This is my granddad. This is my dad. This is my older brother. Italy, Mexico, Venezuela, down South America, Mexico, Mexico, Mexico. So all these guys are the old-timers. Little's originated by my grandfather, which was Lucian Little in 1915. He was a shoe salesman, and he shilled shoes out of a buggy in Morpha, Texas, where he got started. From the shoe salesman, he opened up a shoe store on the Commerce Street and North Floors. And from the shoe business, they started shoe repair. And from shoe repair, my dad learned through some of the repair people that we had how to make boots. And when he started making boots, then it revolved from a shoe store into a boot operation. This was my old champion. He was one of our fastest, highest quality workers ever seen. He's the only one in our shop ever worked by peace work, because he produced nothing but quality, and he worked by himself. No family. He lives right here next door. He'd go to work at six o'clock in the morning, and he'd quit when they closed the shop at six o'clock. Work a 12-hour day. You can only do so much without going excessively and overworking your people or not doing the detailed work that you used to do. And that's where you keep your quality. When you start exceeding that, you're losing your quality, and then you start thinking, well, let's make more boots because we can make more money. And you think of the money more than you do the quality of the boot. And that's why you don't see very many small custom houses, because most of them eventually either got bought out or decided to go into a larger production to be able to survive. And that's when you lose the quality.  But as time progressed, they got bought out by big corporations, and they just are doubling up and making thousands of boots a day. This is a little pride and joy of mine. This is the first boot that I've ever made. It's a two-exotic skin combination. It's a saltwater bottom with a full quill arches top, and it seemed up the back style.  This is a full quill arches boot top and bottom, and it's a cowboy style. What makes it cowboy style? Well, this boot here is one seam down the back, and it's what we call a seam up the back. The cowboy is a four-piece. This is three-piece, this is four-piece, and we just give it a cowboy. And that's what we know as a four-piece boot. This is a very, very unique boot. It's a nice saltwater crocodile, and it's a matching set. And it's a cowboy style four-piece boots, and it's laced up the front and the back. It's laced up the scallop, and it's laced up the wings. This little jewel here starts off at $10,000. Besides that, we also do what we call a very, very fancy boot. This is kangaroo, and it's completely of oysters. I mean, kangaroo, and it's got all the different types of birds that we were able to develop, because the customer wanted this particular boot, and they wanted to call it the bird boot. And it's got every 10 birds that you can think of, and it took forever to do.  So this is one of our real flashy boots, but it's a beautiful boot. To make a good quality boot, you've got to have the great material. And with the great material, you have to have great quality craftsmen that can be able to do a boot to make it look exactly what you're trying to sell. It's a good, dress-western boot. You can find boots anywhere, but to make them look dressy and quality is the important thing. And that's where you've got to determine what a customer likes. If he doesn't like tightness, you'd better not make him tight because he just can't wear them. And then if you don't make him tight enough, a customer will say, well, God, I could have bought these in the shelf somewhere because they're just too damn loose. I like something to snug. So, and through the years, you learn which customer likes what. Once you've achieved what he likes, you stay right there with it, and that provides him to keep coming back. And it's a very difficult trade, very difficult trade. Like I said, two skins about this size. And this skin is a salt water, and it's a 39 centimeter skin. 39 centimeters is the measurement from here to here across the belly. And that's the way they size these things. So, when we buy a boot, we buy, I mean a skin, we buy two skins of the same size. And what we do is we cut a left one and a right one. So all of it, our boots that we sell custom to a customer are duplicate sets. The left and the right will be just about the same. This one here is actually sewing the boot counter to the boot top. A 3115 model, Singer model sewing machine. And we've had this for years. My dad bought them years ago and we've been having them redone. Putting new parts and it's been a, this thing, I think this machine is older than I am. The actual boot top, so that he can close them together. And this is the seam that goes in between the boot. He's sewing one side to hold it in place. He's cutting an end lay out of the top, blue top. And what we've got here is what we call a small guillotine. It's a needle that's been trimmed down like a little blade. And it's cut real tight. And instead of it stitching, it's cutting the leather a lot better than handwork. It just smooths it out and he just, he just follows the letter they prints on top. After it's stitched on the small machine to line it up, this is a heavy machine to make sure that it stays together. And then after he gets through that, he's going to hand trim it to smooth it out on the inside. This is, this is where after he does that and puts the ears on, he turns it. And then you'll see a boot top. There's your boot top. Box toe. I hate to put this because it's so sticky. The purpose of the, the pegging is to bind the outsole and insole together. And the reason they use pegs, because once it sets up, it goes into the leather and when the leather dries, it swells and holds it tight. If you put nails in it, eventually the nails get rusty and the hole gets bigger and then they fall out. But the wood peg never gives up and it just holds forever. The hammering into it. It's got it. This is working with people and we've done it all our life. We never have holes held in our life and we do it all by personal contacts. We strictly work with word of mouth because that's the way we've existed for all these years. You've never seen an ad of us in any magazine or anything trying to promote a boot sale. Altima are strictly word of mouth and that's the best business you can have. Because when people come in here, they know that they're looking for quality and that they're going to be provided quality. And I guess that's why we've succeeded for so many years. And I keep telling my workers that have been with me for all these years. I've got, I've got two workers that have been with me since for at least over 30 years there. And one of them's got 25. There's three of them that have been with me for quite a few years. And they're very qualified experienced people. And I keep telling them, I says, don't either one of you think of quitting until I retire. And they say, well, when are you going to retire? I says, well, y'all just keep working. I've got two of them that are working now four days a week.  They're just, it seems like when I took over the business, they were here with me. And we've just continued working together. And we know each other so well now that we get mad at each other tomorrow is another day. Forget about what we did yesterday, you know, but it's just, it's been just been great. It's been a blessing to me to have people that have been with me for this long.


So Quran separate people who do good deeds and people who do bad deeds. Allah understand all these. So he's not going to punish you. Except that the Quran says over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over again, that yes, if you are an unbeliever, you're going to help. And it specifies again and again that you have to believe in order to avoid that help. It says it over and over. There's no sense in saying the book doesn't say the only thing it says. It says it all the time. No, it doesn't say it. You're telling me it doesn't say that at all. No, the thing is that you have read the wrong translation, okay? Yes. Excuse me. It says the thing you say it never says. It says it all the time. Yeah, it does. Give me a single promise. I didn't come with evidence. I got the whole damn book. Every surah says that.


Hi everyone, Joe for JasperysCaseBrakes.com doing the randomizer for the random number block that'll unlock 2023 top five star baseball. It's coming up in another video. It's only four teams, so the price point, entry point is pretty friendly. Big thanks to Eugene's, Lee and Palmer, Travis, Oliver, Evan and Alan for getting in on this. We appreciate you, I appreciate you. There are the numbers right there and let's roll it in randomized names and numbers four to one, five times each. One, two, three, four and five. We got a couple of Palmer's down to Matsui and then four to one, five times for the numbers. One, two, three, four and once more, fifth and final time. There's five, we got eight down to four. All right, so Eugene Palmer, eight and one, Eugene Lee with three, Alan with six, Evan with two, Oliver with zero, Travis with five, Alan with seven, Eugene Lee with nine and Alan with four, last spot mojo. Number zero gets any and all redemptions for these four teams right there, including one of one redemptions, but Eugene Palmer, you'll still get live one of ones for any of those four teams. All right, so let's order these numerically and I'll see you in the next video for the break itself, jaskyscasebreaks.com.


Hi, this is David DiBiasi. I'm here with my dog, Theo. We're at the Whitewater Preserve out near Palm Springs, California. We're here to take a little walk today and thought it would be a good place and a good occasion to talk to you a little bit about Geography 581, Spatial Data Science Ethics. So let's go for a walk. The first question you may have is, why take a class in Spatial Data Science Ethics when there are so many other cool technical courses you could take instead? Well, one reason is that Spatial Data Science Ethics is really interesting and really important. Another reason is that employers want to retain good employees and maintaining an ethical culture at work is one of the best ways to do that. And a third reason is you probably want to be the kind of person that your fellow workers come to when they have problems, who trust you to have good judgment, to have moral reasoning skills. And this class aims to help you achieve that. So the course begins with consideration of research ethics and you'll take a training, an online training that's required by the graduate school for you to do research. After we take care of the research ethics requirement, we dive a little bit into moral theory, just a little bit. And also at the same time, we look into the nature of professionalism, in particular, how professions can be defined by their particular ethical codes. In the third part of the course, we're going to focus on geospatial ethics. That's kind of my comfort zone. I've been teaching GIS ethics and writing about the subject for quite a few years. We're going to look at some very interesting ethical case studies in the GIS realm and we're going to build up our moral reasoning skills by analyzing those cases methodically. In part four, we'll look into data science and the ethical challenges that arise in that field. And there's some interesting challenges. Believe me, you've probably heard of them having to do with artificial intelligence, machine learning, and privacy, of course. It'll all come together with readings and scenarios in spatial data science ethics. That's new territory for everybody and it's going to be a lot of fun for all of us to explore it together.


We are as I said, it is all about good vibes. This is why in the morning my name is Ram Aguko, and of course we value your feedback keep talking to us Muna o otairi, kwenye Facebook na kwenye Twitter, the hashtag is where in the morning, the hashtag also is the vibes keep talking to us at Ram Aguko and at wa, two, five, four channels. It is where you can engage with us. Let us know where you are watching us from, remember. We are also streaming live through that website Y2444 series www.kebc.co.ke Y254 engage with us and of course we shall be able to sample your feedback as we continue this morning conversation We will not watch wukiwapi it's all about music and lifestyle and as I promised you when we started that we are going to be having interviews and of course artists coming your way you are just in time for the next conversation of the day and ladies and gentlemen this is a woman that has shook the music industry a lady with possess and character and definition of course you can be able to see her from the bottom down to the top ladies and gentlemen introducing Monshine hahahahahaha omona yentro? that intro I was like I was still talking about that is you thank you so much how are you doing? I'm also fine what is your name? moon s kenya everywhere Instagram Facebook YouTube what is your subscriber? what is your stream? moon s kenya you are doing a good job and I love your work but now first things first how was your music journey been? it has been great it has been complaining ups and downs but I thank God I'm still pushing you have power so far? yes I'm fine how are you? I'm fine you know based on what's taking place on the ground for women for ladies it is different for men it is different for women it is different for women it is different how was the experience? I think for men have it easier to do for us it is a male dominated industry so when you go to a studio when you go to a woman and then most when you go to a woman and then you go to a girl when you go to a joto but no you see I think I have talent when you go to a woman and you have talent because you know we are struggling with a lot of things behind the scenes so when you make it easier when you have talent and potential you give them a chance you support someone genuinely you support them and then you are later on favors but you used to be a shy person yes I used to you used to be very shy but now you look chiki really of course that is just a joke I used to be shy and then you realise na shyness you can't go anywhere koto auto na take when you are shy they have more opportunity to use you nika no na kuka sphere she is naive and maybe that's not the case and they take advantage of you they usually do so na kongatu le and then shyness can have to talk about it shyness is complicated how is it being you know throughout walking through from stage to stage and of course working with different people and you have to show different types of faces to different people because there is the shy part of you and there is the other part that needs to perform how is it being we complain I think you find the balance as you move when you learn music you learn on the job you learn as you go as you grow you would say you learnt on the job I was starting out I was in Namachile so as time goes by you grow, you evolve you meet new people you learn things I think not anytime you are giving yourself time to your veto because you know with music you have to research what they are doing so I think it's evolution let's talk about that evolution how moon was a few years back and how moon is there are those mistakes that people do when they are amateurs when they are on stage when they are on stage and you are like I could have done that and right now you can be able to do something better and of course you can also see someone else get on stage and they do the same mistake and you are like I was there before you what are some of these amateurs when you are on stage and you are like and you are like you are like a Jew because you look at how somebody behaves and you are like I wish I could help that person I wish I could be there for this person because I know I know what they are doing so mostly you can't help someone maybe you see them because you know we all make different mistakes so this is your mistake someone else so I think it's how can I put it like maybe you know how to interact with people because you know music is social so I think mostly how you communicate and how you talk to people do you know what you are doing because you know what you are doing because you know what you are doing I think it's too friendly when you are not supposed to and when you check and check exactly now you see it could be a job like maybe it's a producer and you know CC Tunawak is a producer, directors, DJ and then so some want it to be too friendly and then for you how do you you know you don't know people's intentions so maybe you got two points like when it's time for job and work let's keep it that way you keep it professional like we can laugh we can joke but don't take it too far because sometimes you know people can misunderstand like how you talk to them maybe it's like they want to be nice and then someone is like would they want to check your culture and then when you misunderstand just try and keep it professional especially because you know for ladies notice these trees are not safe they are not safe they ain't your mama's streets so when you are still starting being too friendly being too friendly I don't know I don't know I don't know it's easy you know at first you don't know what to expect so I think for me everything comes too easy for me and then you realize you have to work you have to put in work life gives you a good slap on the head it's not easy so you have to keep on working you keep on pushing you keep on bettering yourself and practice a lot of practice so you won't never say mama now if you look at the journey because about Mungakus the evolution of moon you have a good name Tatombu the evolution of moon you've worked with to produce different types of music I want to know the producers you've worked with the kind of people you've worked with and your experience when it comes to all these songs that you've managed to even put on YouTube for producers I think mostly for director you may maintain director Moja Tatombu in Nani for audios now I try to work in Kenya I work now even producers from Uganda bigger to all of them by the way Burundi, yes so I want to cover your target but it's factor there are your Alex there are tides from Uganda one of your kazi puwa sana one of your kazi puwa they are doing so I'm trying also to experiment on new sounds yes how do you work now director Ajujodrambi Tatombu is director because director Ajujodrambi is also my husband we work together like he produces my music how is it working with your own husband to produce your music it's nice so I think it's challenging but it's okay do you have a studio in your house no never when it's a shoot day to know that it's so professional so come out to Kasiushana I will tell you tell him to revisit to revisit the next time you don't end up singing last night you did this no because you know for my videos we invest to really invest so imagine a day to make a shoot do you have time to manza kukosana and stuff so we really really try maybe zile ko rolls takwa kwa sets zile tuza like siku kukosana really like you know kuna zile tuza maybe harakisha you know you're slow maybe ease or two but I don't think of that no no kia zaku jamam tafanyaka you want to and then you realize you put in money and then kuna kuna time naika apu ibu it's like an investment so hamoizia na kutiaza na place manajua like this is where you're like sat down and say these are going to be our roots mule kachinimu katsuma e-line for their shoot we strictly keep it professional ata kukuen na nini ata sujina yami kasiushana ni kukuen na we hold we first do the work and then now later on because you know today is our vibes Thursday right so piya kwa shoot kuna konga ni kwa vibes kuna ili enajimna taka kwa sets so hamoizia na na bad vibes and then you expect like you'll have a dope video so lazima mood from morning to evening and those who are working around you you know they're also picking taking notes from how you handle each other and then now mimi ni kiaza na mood zmbaya ina transfer kwa kuna transfer to everyone else so yeah we can't afford to do it bad moods apu ini good vibes only akuna storing ine na ini kisha to hivi bata ni nyumbani kama mimi komi kasiushana but then mimi koma mechoka mimi koma mechoka kama mimi komi kosa nam kosa but that that sounds like good therapy yeah it's good therapy it's nice it's working with your partner he knows what what you want what I'm expecting so ina kuanga yeah it's nice I'm interested in finding out exactly how you started this music journey for you your discovery of music to the point that you now started writing your own songs how did you start from school or from outside school let's go back let's go back genesis I think niliansia now primary if I can remember niliakwa kama anini prefect kwa prefect class don't make noise kwa kwa kwa class it's funny because niliakwa kama I was expecting I would be the headgun at that time and now now when they came to announce niliakwa kama I was in a Catholic school so your time there is what you call litagic so it's like a school choir so mimi nikiakwa like in charge in charge of the choir no it's like it's also like a big prefect I also control how things go because of the privileges on a partner so it's like a big prefect in the primary consulata in Nyeri oh yeah and then now so you see I was expecting I would be the headgun and then it backfired I was scanning my position and then I was like I'm not sure I can do this and then I don't know I could just sing I could just lead the choir like the big church in Nyeri and then I would sing and then my sister would sing you know snacks you did a good job and then I would be like I just used to be noisy and I used to be singing nikiakwa dom mngepatatu na imba so that's why we were not expecting it I was not expecting it I rebelled you were rebellious what made you think you would put you as a headgun because I used to have that lead a factor and then before before nipatiyo position I still used to I was still a prefect I was still a prefect then we were in class 8 and then now kumaginazmi submitia I was among them I was with the headgun then I was given another position and then I was like what what do you want me to be the school choir leader how was it being the school choir leader it was nice you ended up loving it I loved it but at first you hated it I really hated it because you see I didn't see at that time so from that time I just started because you know music I used to love music I used to know all the songs kwa chach like even zilkwa of head I would lead bilata kuangalia area so with time I agreed to love to love it and then I started writing a first song I think I wrote my first song in class 8 onakumuka but I think it will work first song was in first song was in apotea but it was something like something mama like I can't remember but you continued writing yeah I continued asi kwa na zile katholic tune no asi kwa na zo you know funny thing acha nikiwa niki mwa kwa chach na nini I never saw myself as a gospel artist I don't know why but once I got to know you can sing gospel song but I was like what you see like for gospel you need the calling I didn't think I had it in me so akuna hajja kuchits yeah and you know I'm not fooling anyone but an ajua like this one you follow your heart so asi kwa yandika like a gospel gospel song yeah but some people you remember how it was back then when you were zakado zakado zina kwa na but you were the kwa master yeah I was and I used to love this song but then they were used to write my songs you know niki yanda home nili kwa na skiliza sana like the worldly songs nili kwa into a kina nili kwa nili kwa so those were the songs so those are the people that you really looked up to you are listening to which one was your favorite song back then or just among your favorites say let's make it up number one I used to have a real song and then there was money I can't say the songs specifically but those guys were they really impacted they really like kama wali say yaku shape so now you've left primary you've started you're going to high school so in form 2 I recorded my first song I recorded my first song na kumbuka sko ichukwa kwa studio because then my dad was like do you want us to pay your school fees or do you want us to pay your studio fees siya pumusaja na jam na na sama either you saw me I was angry but dad was like no nili fanyasong bili kwa studio and then onajon nili deya kwanzo nili kwa studio and then you don't know anything but he was pissed but I entered and then I was like I'm home na niti le pileso nili and then it's like everything nili kwa na ni bomba too but then how did you get to the studio if your dad wasn't supportive of you going to the studio nili beshtiangwa lini ambiya so we just called the guy pili kwa na home studio at that time so nika ena nika ingiya at that time it was like 7 days to record but you have no clue I have no clue I didn't know so we did the first song and then I came na fanyasong ingi na and then after we worked but now you know you have to pay say na 40,000 na you record video share record audio and then now before I give you the master you have to pay na kama niza how much na audio is 7k na kama niza how much na kama niza how much na kama niza how much na kama niza how much na kama niza how much sa hyata studio na na mani tisha fest 14k tuna li pa skonfi aur na iitika tulp se? kwa na k Faiza bola spray na waka ra tBLANK kwa nikiya tos na du ni nukiya madehゆ iitika tulp se kakunam huzu biza na tuna tulp se alive iitika tulp se I didn't choose, they chose for me. I didn't have a choice. So what did you do? I left it, we left it there. So I never recorded another song until I had finished high school. So you left it at the time? Yeah sir. So I left it at the time, and we left it there. So I left it there, and we left it there. And I told him, I told him that I was going to sing, and then I made a lot of copies of those two songs. So I left it there, and we left it there. But then I told him that I was an artist. And then sasa nugi kwa, baka nili anziy shak uchangisha pesa. I started a small kaharambi And I was so familiar. So you were at a young age? I had no... I knew I'd tell you as I was young. I said, auntie, sasa, nika nana tjandi kwa $50,000. I told her I was a boy, and then she said he'd tell me that I was a responsibility. Now I'll help you, I will open the marriage certificate for you too. So didi kete 14? No I never did I never went back to this Ya for the songs I only had the demos Baki kafika point and then I I was like Nikiamza kuze iskili za iyo time I was like what was I doing Ya like ok the songs are already so Ata see kwa tana You could hear yourself and you were like Ya like my voice from my voice I never used to practice No you know from what you sing at school You just sing Kata akunam tu mwenyanak Kuna pitch up Akunam tu alikwa nanda lianga iyozo And then now onafika po place And you went to the studio now When I entered now the studio Kwanza ku record And then do na kudziwa haia Sive nyan kwa na fukiria You have to practice You have to speak You do the vocal training And then I was like Ya so I don't know what to do But then how did you come up with the name Moon Moon nili patia shule So not high school Badu high school nili Badu nili jin kwaia shule Ya high school Jogorod high school You go to somewhere Ya Nairobi Apatu Nairobi Nairobi na Jogorod high school Ya badu nili jin kwaia And then now badu Badu nili kwa tuna tabiaza primary Nili zpele kaha high school So unge patia kwa down badu Mimindo na imba Mimindo na kudziwa haia Mimindo entertainment Mimindo entertainment So apu ibo tukashika na madem And then tukanzaku jitama So at first I didn't know Ata jina Nili I experimented Like with a lot of names Na kumbukaku na times Jini kwa na jita I don't remember Biki something Ya already It had a B somewhere Ya so from your time I think Muncha nili patangato Elik kujangato I don't expect sunshine Ya but it was really sunshine Because now you see Nase manga Like the name moon It has character in it And I think I also have character So I find it to not compliment And then you see like a bit later So In terms of you Call me moon You've released a couple of songs Ya I want to say your voice Nase kata pate Nase kata kizakitago Vaz Do you select a song? You want to select a song You can select You can choose to freestyle Anything you want Which one do you prefer? Let me freestyle anything Take your time Let me do Sitobare Await no Boda Boda Ya Boda Boda Aya Murshain Manani Aya Aya What one of food What one of food I don't know I also don't know But go to YouTube Check her song On a page moon shine Moon Moon S Kenya We don't choose the shine We just use the S Moon S Kenya Boda Boda But Jeffrey We don't choose the shine We just choose We choose the adress Sitobare Tell us about The other song Before I mention Sitobare Loving Let's talk about loving Release one year You already have a good number of views You are doing well I can't complain Look at that I'm trying I'm trying You can't complain but you're not there yet So I think I think it's a good thing Maybe you have collaborations But this year I want to do collaborations More collaborations less singles Ya This year more collaborations less singles You should get a strategy plan We're working on that We're working on that You're also looking for artists When you're willing to work When you see I'm willing to work They also have to be willing To work with me Ya The song Loving You've done it with Director All the videos produced by Hiji Jadrambit Ya He's also the one who manages My music life He's kind of like my manager Ya I love how you've You've tried to package yourself In terms of your music And the kind of content you portray there And Even as you talk about that How has it been Raising funds to Come up with all these projects Because back then we came to Ibadu Ya We were young We were young Ya What's the easy It's not easy Ibadu Because you see they are still challenging But it's a bit better Because I'm like When you have a director I'm like half of the budget But still you have to remember You still have to invest Because now he's a director now To have kufanya But you still have to Just to wake up I remember people When you are playing As frequently as you should Because you have a Directors And then When you have a kufanya You have to find a video Because you see you have to Remember Now because he's the director You have to invest Outside the box Like you want the best See you have to find a kufanya Because you have the camera You still have to You still have to Shoot Because the camera is there You still have to For all my videos We really tried Kufanya video Kama ni kwenda Maybe it's an outdoor But we had a meeting We tried To make a swing And try to make The word of baris So we tried to find a small place We still have to think This is a forest What can you make it We tried Kufanya to the normal Forest way We tried to find a video I see a video Video Bora See you Bora video in the video Bora Yeah And the dress code there Was The scene there was so ambient So loving Nakao the wedding Someone might think it's a wedding Yeah For my videos also Placing it For my dem I have to think You have to think You make up You have to think of your hair You just don't wake up So that's how you find So that's how you find I don't release music as often as I should Because For this video And then I cut You just don't trash You just don't wake up And say Let's do a video You have to think about your style How you're going to dress Na wakna stylist mga nilek Mucha goma stylist How do you come up With the design And the set design And everything that appears in the video Because if you look at Shweto Bari There's a place you have a mama Yeah It's so colorful That was my idea That was my idea Yeah I saw it I don't know Imagine not this on a video So you know Also good thing about talking with your partner Ina kwa rahisi kufanyavitu zingine Because Yeah, I'm not cutting Yeah I'm not cutting Kuna idea niliyona So And like you bring storm So ina fika dia shoot To release something amazing Yeah And you managed to come up with a good quality video Yeah I love the mood of the song Of Shweto Bari And the love energy Yeah It's a song that can move Somebody If you look at the reception All the songs loving Shweto Bari Boda Boda The reception is different Yeah, different How would you recommend What do you think influenced The reception for all these different songs And the mood back up Yeah I ask Jay Kamaneza For sure because For each and every song an artist does Kuna mtumuene For Shweto Bari Because some people were telling me No, I didn't like the song Like kusangi kakitu So Kuna mtumuene tapenda kumaflani Atenza kumbe no Like the way you did Boda Boda Go with that vibe and then kuna mtumuene No, maintain Shweto Bari And then now you don't know Like as an artist I don't know Kamoneza Jua And you just do you To any kumazeni I think Okingia studio Fanyi lengo meinyo Wokonze na onafiria In goma konze nani bamba Mimindo, yende bamba fun Yes I think it's first to do you And then so won't be Kuna mtu And then now good thing about All the songs Kuna goma moje inakuletianga fun Kuna mtumuene It's how inuene Kuna mtu tapenda moja pili ko ingi de But How would you rate family and friends reception? Ya For family and friends Wana kupukia Tangod Oze zyongo alisha kuja So alisha wana uiwa chim ziki So ya It's trying wali kuja tuwa kaksept And then now for friends Ya they try to support me Not as much as it may be like But they try But then unapatanga Support moa bai tokangi kwenyum Amakumabeshte Inatokanga kwa people you don't even know Ya I get more support from people Like I don't even know I've never met Unapatangu Ya I don't know like Why that happens but Ya It's interesting Ya Ya It happens a lot even in business Even in other businesses So unapatanga Stranges support you more than The people that are close to you I don't know where that happens And then now the people that are close to you I wonder if you are in Okujunga later Or you are like Why Okay Like I'd find like What come out and then I'm like Okay nisa wa tu You know there is nothing you can do about it So unapatanga But at the end of the day you know Like the people who supported you They are not even people you know People who are close to you These are strangers When we talk about Kwa kwa kwa kwa kwa kwa kwa kwa kwa kwa kwa kwa kwa kwa kwa kwa kwa kwa kwa kwa kwa kwa kwa kwa kwa kwa kwa kwa kwa kwa kwa kwa kwa Ya You've talked about those people who have supported you And some Are not even your friends Ya, we never even met But when I support music But what is the background vocalist Ya At some point At a certain band I have a band called Kidum For a few months For a few months How was it working there How was it?  You know it's just a matter of time. What does it say, that you used to make shering, sheاتu? No, it made me humble. No, it's not really humble. It reminds me of nijue, I used to tell you many times, I used to wear, you know are flat shoes. And then I remember the time But he was very young and asked, kwenine na kusia na viya tu flat! You should do a hill! Say your time, darling. Nipatia for that day I remember I was being given, I don't know if it was a thousand. I went and I ratio it to two nights And then I put it up kwa ziliko chuna toko No questions to see Kuhu kwan no zangeza om aviato Nika ena, ni kambali a hill lwi bi Nika sayi maa natike kia tut I looked at the hill, na wana tkai hili uku ano hili refu san I think he was 6 inch nikianda nai o, artisosa nina nga so the next time to koko mimi na hili siza wata si du kutimbe amizuri but you know nangana hote nga ah but excuse me ni pro excuse it shagil na kama na galikripun hili excuse it shagil akimbe hili but that was the first time and you were first time to work on hills? Yes How is it going? Now, can we get a stage button? You can't say you're going. I don't want a stable, it's to be physical fit. You're dead. Dead, yeah. Nada ksuspenseful mo liza? I love to skiyong wa ma ya kwa obarri. Do you have a final word? I took in Malaysia.  Nata kwa, again, I'm 2. kuna muse muna na koch. Ya. It's a lady. Ya. Sanasa na wa nawa ke ladies. Ladies. The sisters, you can talk to your sisters.  Talk to your sister. Um, sisters. Sisters, hi.  Mi nim reset nim, konzo nzinga na confidence. Mi nim reset ydi normal. Mi nim set nam, nomi konai goma, na chika mi rekodi sinapesa, for now but you know, I think it's all about confidence jiamini And then keep on practicing, practice and then never give up. Yeah. Yes, departure to Teumu grow. It's nice and you won't regret it. You'll regret it. Yeah. That is from a sister to a sister. Yes, from a sister to a sister. And don't let anyone use you by the way. Kiyona kitu aywezi aywezi. Don't force it. It pains me to see ladies compromise just because they want something done for themselves. Yeah, sure. Kama aywezi, amu kiyona yo. Aum sayana tika kitu enye. Maybe you can't give, don't give anything. Like ngodye temi aku. Ukiyona too. Yeah, this one. You know, for me, like, nakanga evi, like, I train, push so hard. And then unanzakona. Things are not working out the way I want. Ukiyona kitu aywezi lengatu. Wachana na maybe it was not for you. Maybe something better is coming. Yeah, so Wachana na. But who's the compromise? Don't compromise yourself. Don't compromise your dignity. I'm just to wait. Just chill, watakta futa. Wachana na watakta futa. Wachana na watakta futa. Sayizi. Just keep on working. Yeah. Kama aywezi studio me pata. You're fortunate enough kunda studio. Enda studio record your songs. Do you? I want us to finish. And I want to give you time to give again social media. Wata nakpata api. And then we go, we listen to sweet obare. Yes. So social media handles moon s Kenya. Everywhere you can go subscribe to my YouTube channel. Follow me on IG. Wapi Facebook. Leave my page. Twitter niko uko niko tiktok. Soundcloud. Soundcloud, yes. You can stream my music. Neza pata boom playing. Goma zangut. Kwa wapi. Apple. Apple store. Neza stream. Neza shazam. Kila pa ali. Kila pa ali. Ya. Mimili kwa na kwa moon s Kenya. Kuna moon s Kenya. Moon s Kenya. Moon s Kenya. Kipata na ni gote tukama moon. Sindi ho. I'll say hi. I wish you the best moon. Thank you. Keep doing what you're doing. Thank you so much. Thank you for having me. Thank you. Ya, li kwa shat note it lakere. I'll see you. Made it. That's how we do it. That's how we do it. You know, top top. Ya, sure. Kha diya rakara. Sindi ho. Ya, thank you for having me. I want to give you time to perform on your song. Ladies and gentlemen, keep talking to us. Kwenye mita na wapale kwenye Facebook kwenye chita kwenye Instagram. Pia utapata why 254. Talk to us. The hashtag is why in the morning at Ram Maguko and at Y254 channel. Is where you can be able to find us. Pia nataka weze kufatapia moon. Go to social media moon as Kenya. Subscribe, follow her channel. This is good talent. And of course there is future here. Sindi ho. Ya. I saw the moon yesterday. The moon has been good. Ya, four moon. We are full on. Full on. Full on. More can be in hands. Ladies and gentlemen, happy belated valentines. Oh thank you. Thank you so much for belated valentines as well. We realize it was a bigger story Sarah.  That is sweet obare. Right on why in the morning.