rs so that's pretty cool because that's what you do if you're a movie reviewer you rate things out of five stars hell yeah or four if you're Rod you're Rod David right I always found four to be weird oh yeah he did four yeah four is weird four is shit I'm gonna read his signs review but then all of you I expect all of you to target one of the ones I mentioned and then I will read the review of that particular chosen one I will happily read the list again to you if you require that but I assume something stood out to you at least I hope so well I've already heard that once I'm gonna get more alcohol wow he's right you know I'm right to him I actually actually gotta dip out guys but um this has been um a pleasure well yeah what's your assessment of Chris Stuckman give us give us your unadulterated thoughts upon the man himself this is so basic it's all mainstream Hollywood it's all mainstream Hollywood stuff thing interesting no radical choices no independent films no foreign films no whatever I mean it's just like that is it's like a list of movies that came out that is what he compiled and then decided to spew thoughts on paper right which is I don't know like it just I feel like I learned nothing so and you were pointing out he told you want to start the popcorn yeah he did yeah he did yeah that's true set the ignition for the popcorn but like Jeremy Johns you were talking about earlier I like him I like his takes their short gets in gets out is something interesting to say he's not afraid to critique things when they deserve it so I quite enjoy him but uh but I do think it's I do think it's interesting to like pay attention to someone like a John Campier Uckman just to know like oh is this a normal person thinks is this what the normal people are saying again original thoughts right you know like but stuck man I don't know like so I don't pay attention to him as his scriber count gone down or views of his videos gone down or like what's the his engagement is lowered ever since he decided he wouldn't be critical but I think it was go it was trending down anyway because the fact is like anyone who watches almost exclusively him the second you watch another sort of film reviewer that has much more passion I don't see why you continue watching him you'd be like oh yeah I can't wait to hear him say the exact same thing again about another movie yeah like I I think John Campier is experiencing the same thing where he's seeing just his views excuse me his views are just like have dropped dramatically you know um it's I think it's also because he got rid of Robert Meyer Burnett who I mean he was the reason I watched the Campier show was I always wanted to see what RMB had to say but now he's got his own and also there's really no need so well I'm gonna ask you I don't have a particularly strong view of John Campier from the clips I've seen thanks to Gary and others he's uh but you know you know maybe he seems he seems overtly happy with a lot of what happens with Disney stuff which uh is always a red flag of like yeah you think they're doing great right now hoki doki but I haven't seen him review you know your average film maybe he's got plenty of insight you're in there probably not as much as Chris Stuckman of course right right but gentlemen it's been a pleasure hanging out with you it's my first EFAP so thank you for going easy on me I uh glad to have you sir we'll try and get you back again so maybe talk about a movie one that we love yeah that'll be fun yes no definitely just something interesting but I don't even know how do I leave what do I do just go to a different discord big red button right the hang up yeah that'll work it's a red button you're having to walk me through this it's like Gary trying to get out of a room well as you should be trying to leave five buttons underneath the play the not player I can't to the fucking Gary took like a whole hour to leave so just leave the phone all right big red button you got this okay well Merry Christmas in jail here everybody later all right well I guess I can read you his signs review now if you'd like oh yes yeah belly even went for a pee ow yeah oh he's abusing himself for the art I didn't even heard but I said ow anyway yes signs 2002 drama sci-fi thriller we've all seen signs a classic starring Mel Gibson Joaquin Phoenix Rory Kelkin directed by M Knight Shyamala Shyamala beautiful studio touchstone pictures all right here we go here comes the like the way he does this is you'll be like this is the movie and now here's the reasoning so get ready if you read the introduction to this book then you already know how important this film is to me it literally changed the way I view movies the only reason I'm writing these words right now is because my mom took me to the theater in 2002 changing my life that night I sat in my room a new kid signs affected me so much that I even attempted to recreate the film in a shoddy and pointless shot-for-shot remake our resulting film was embarrassingly bad but it undoubtedly communicated my love for filmmaking at that age almost all the negativity I see directed at signs are from complaints that universally miss the point idiots people tend to pile hate on Shyamalan toxic because they watch his films from a very straightforward wooden perspective with most of his movies and especially with signs this is not the right approach on paper signs is about a grieving family dealing with an alien invasion occurring around the world Mel Gibson wow gives a harrowing performance as a former priest trying to protect his family from this otherworldly threat simply follow this plot and signs still works as a marvelously suspenseful surprisingly funny thriller hilarious that's it oh is that everything he has to say that was just him whining that people don't like Shyamalan oh you know what I'm wrong there's another page there's two more paragraphs I'm so sorry here we go we haven't even seen this before now this is me Shyamalan ding dong I mean I was counting on you to reading me all of it here we go man oh my god I'm so excited but where signs truly shines is its brilliant subtext the film is riddled with hidden meanings that few audiences pick up on the loss of faith denial of a higher power heaven hell demons angels prophecies Shyamalan Snyder film Shyamalan's script and subtle art direction build a truly touching story and one that many have overlooked you can watch signs as enjoyable escapism and it still works but if you're willing to dig a little deeper I'm positive you'll discover a thematically rich and powerful work of art it still hasn't stopped inspiring me and it never will you don't have to dig into signs at all to find loss of faith that's like the character talks about it overtly is that's not like subtext signs is a bad movie I like it but it's not good the signs is actually the you weren't so wooden signs is the movie along with the village that turns Shyamalan from being a good director into a bad one that's uh and then Lady in the Water's after this right assigns problem is that your Pinocchio of Molo your you have a wooden perspective you that's that's you oh man dammit I think your nose got so you're killing your filthy lies as little platoon just pointed out nobody missed what signs was about we got it but aliens that don't know how to open doors the better signs still the scary movie three by the way the way Chris writes about it I mean I don't know how old he is I don't know if this is the case but it sounds like he's describing his first experience at the theater like is that is that the first thing you went to see 2002 so he would be why I don't know I can't be it he would have been around the age of 10 something like that no why it wouldn't be his first it would have been the one that affected him the most which you know it can't be anything which by the way is fine but claiming nobody understood it so fucking cliche not that I've never claimed that about certain movies that's okay I'm just saying sides of all things like right yeah why didn't you pick a cool movie like like put him on the movie yeah well like if he's just describing his first theater experience like that's the first movie that he saw in a theater that made an impression on him and he's like excited I did about it then like whatever like okay okay um okay yeah I don't know if that was the first thing you saw like I mean I've talked before about my experiences watching Lord of the Rings blowing my mind but I was seven eight and nine when I saw those in the theaters yeah very formative you can imagine they blew me away well I leave it to we'll go we'll go from left to right from my discord so Fringy is the first what review would you like to hear from the selection wait are we are we having a actually like go through several not all of them just your choice pick one yeah but it means we're gonna go through like six of them yeah could you read me the list one more time let me well I'll just find the list yeah you know if you can post a list so everyone can sort of figure out which one they want to get what we do the next I have it here let me see let's go with the Incredibles yeah okay we'll do metal first with the Incredibles now the reason I'm gonna need to speak excessively is because I got to find it so here I go speaking as if there's something happening when really there isn't at all I'm just I'm picturing I'm picturing Mahler and metal both awkwardly using the same key crammed into the same place I don't know if he ordered these no I need to type no stop it all of them I think okay so Incredible should be 500 days of but no this isn't ordered damn you Chris oh it's not how am I supposed to find them with ease now I guess he doesn't want me to specifically to prevent me from doing a stream like this well that's a chapter less surely right at the front of the book maybe there is who knows have a look no no no yes I am physically with the long man in the same room isn't that Wow it's not even getting what they bring I don't know there's no chance to look not even the first time it happens crazy that's just silly he's got the list to the end but he doesn't have a page number for them why won't you do your list the same order than the thing you written well page numbers and indexes and table of contents that's some pretty high-level stuff that you don't learn early on as writer that's some yeah those are some industry secrets come on man is this seriously not a content list of content I think you did them in order of release date but then he didn't do that on the fucking end you fucking retard yeah but he didn't do that on the collective list at the end why he did them alphabetical yeah I think did he know that we did three different lists three different orders they're not the same listing I know that much when did a when did incredible you know that 2003 there we go for I didn't expect us to be such a confusing incredible phone yeah all right I'm gonna gather everyone for the review of incredible marshmallows animation action adventure director Brad Bird starring Craig T Nelson Jason Lee Holly Hunter and studio Walt Disney pictures there's basically a full review of the movie right there I was gonna say we've mostly covered Chris's video all right we just need the seven you open up the book and it somehow plays the seven second-long sound label those quick facts usually those are quick facts yeah the first time I saw a toy story I couldn't imagine anything topping it oh no incredible it's I wanted the credibles in fact it took nearly 10 years for Pixar to make a film I viewed as an improvement and here it is good save Mahler good save the Incredibles centers around a family of superheroes forced to lead normal lives when a lawsuit outlaws all superheroes or that's a sentence this is a brilliant idea it's not a great sentence imagine the Hulk sitting behind a desk at an insurance agency eventually trouble inevitably bruise and our heroes have to come out of retirement Brad Bird has become a hero's name no he hasn't that's what he said our heroes but he hasn't listed them yet yeah or mentioned who they are just imagine just like imagine the imagine the Hulk behind a desk and then our heroes have to he hasn't concisely presented the premise which is that it's you know why friggy you know why cuz he's saying this is though you've seen it writes like you've already completely bought into it and you've seen it what's the point of the fucking bucket list you seeded great but yeah you said Brad Bird has become a household name I if we're talking like Spielberg it's like it's not that level is he even Nolan level it's like probably not I would say that he's probably one of the more well-known directors of animated films I'd agree with that yeah that would do but that's still like niche I would imagine that most people many people have seen this films but I I would be surprised if you could find any just normal sort of moviegoer who could name one Pixar director that would surprise me mm-hmm that's fair yeah I feel like Pixar is the household name and Brad yes got famous when it comes to video games the development studio is what people often think about it's the team not necessarily any individual like you know a guy at the top creative director or whatnot but with Incredibles he was still proving himself birds the iron giant received critical praise upon its release in 1999 yet it was a financial bomb the Incredibles helped put bird on the map like the iron giant Incredibles or the Incredibles sorry is a loving tribute to old-fashioned filmmaking heightened by a jazzy score from Michael Giacchino the film's vibrant visuals explode off the screen no 3d required even better than animation though other I'm sorry what the fuck even better than animation though the character he's saying the characters are better than the animation okay that's a weird thing to say I don't even know how to imagine I said like the character the Lord the Rings are better than the practical effects be like yeah I feel like that only works when you're talking about the extremes on either end but apart from that it's a really strange thing to say my guess would be that it's like well when people think of animated films they're often thinking of the animation so see this is how I establish to them that the characters are so great by saying that it's better than the animation which is really bizarre when the animation is part of the storytelling and imbuing the characters with life but yeah I feel like the given characters the way that they move through the world and how it changed like you know Mr. Incredible right when you take like the way that he looks cramped in his office to eventually going on his big training montage to where it becomes like in shape again superhero that's all storytelling that's coming from the animation that's in the character so why it's just a weird point to make that you could probably say something like you will be more impressed by the characters than by the animation but why would you make some compete now you have me in my brain making those two great the sentence would be like perhaps as impressive as the incredible animation is the character writing or something equally impressive yeah you know equally impressive or something don't yeah I'd say it's hard to it's hard to say which is better all right characters or the animation you're gonna be so pissed the next sentence here goes you ready oh boy do they end with a preposition he says so on about the characters right that's the context the next sentence they the family sorry they quite literally leap from the screen literally isn't strong enough of a word he has to say quite literally they quite leap from the screen they quite literally leap from the screen and strangled me and slapped me in the face the family dynamic is a huge part of the film's emotional heft and makes their eventual team up all the more enthralling the Incredibles is tons of fun for everyone but it's also an extremely smart film that still entertains today birds energetic world is populated with superheroes that feel more human than the actual human stars of many lesser films that's a that seems like it's a clumsily written well it seems unnecessary than the actual human stars of the real life yeah that's and plus you're comparing yeah that's weird so was there any other Pixar film on that list I don't think they were oh toy story three yeah that was all right yeah okay obviously yeah look right Pixar favoritism and bias especially for that era I don't know that there's any studio that consistently delivered that many excellent films then yes because like yeah you asked me to make this list there'd be more than there'd be more and there wouldn't be Toy Story 3 then they'd be finding Nemo Ratatouille Wally and Monsters Inc I yeah I think I put all of those ones on there and it's like what about up it's like yeah maybe you put up on there maybe but definitely those five all right it's okay who's next that's okay I'll go next I'll go next unless Fringy would really like are we doing so excited since we did metal and myself I feel like at this point it could just be anybody but I don't mind going in an order of some sort if you want okay right yeah sure you can you can pick well I'm looking at the list from IMDB and I saw number one and I had to stop there let's go with his number one pick Star Wars episode five six seven the four so wakens oh god that was gonna be my pick I would just like to thank rags and a little platoon for mentioning this because I was torn between Force Awakens and another one like now I can pick my other choice and hear this yeah so the Falls Awakens 2015 action adventure fantasy directed JJ Abrams starring Daisy Ridley John Boyega Oscar Isaac studio Lucasfilm limited I think I would probably go with science fiction before fantasy yeah that's weird that it listed as a fantasy and not science at the very least you call it science fantasy before fantasy yeah yeah yeah that's okay it's okay I'm normalizing science fantasy is a thing but like if you're gonna choose that's not the one I'd go with it's like 95% science fiction and 5% fantasy perhaps no film in history was more anticipated than Star Wars the Force Awakens in fact that anticipation has led many to unrealistic expectations the original trilogy is often highly regarded in the minds of fans as untouchable near perfect entertainments I don't like that line while I do love those films I also recognize that no film is perfect boring in today's day and age a highly anticipated film that perhaps isn't a work of utter perfection can be lambasted as awful it's a strange and unwelcome development but nonetheless the Force Awakens receives a lot of unwarranted hate what a way to start your fucking review of the Force Awakens everyone by the way we need me against it did he use entertainment in the plural did he say did he put an S at the end of that the sentence in the fall always yeah the sentence for is the original trilogy is often highly regarded in the minds of fans as untouchable nearly perfect entertainments that sounds weird if that's a thing then I wouldn't use it there because if you use entertainments you normally are trying to group a bunch of different forms of entertainment like if you go there the fair would be a place of entertainments many different kinds of entertainment but we're talking about a bunch of movies a collection of movies so if we're picking apart the grammar highly regarded as untouchable is redundant obviously if it's untouchable then obviously yes it's highly regarded as untouchable yes I mean we can all agree it's an entertainment very true it is one entertainer I will take one entertainments please all right that will be one dollars I loved this film and I honestly feel that in years to come and especially with future releases it will God of great respect was this written in 2015 that could I think it's 2000 and sickly early 2016 that these people tells me it's very similar to that Kramer clip of saying don't take your money out of the best I want to read it again it's such a funny line I loved this film and I honestly feel that in years to come and especially with future releases it will God of great respect so the opposite came true with horrible releases the TFA is lost in incredible amount of respect it's now considered dirt basically pretty much and then he goes on to say many movies since well I just Skywalker retired I would think it's considered the least dirt out of the new three ones because like that that's like the safe retread of a new hope right so what's happened for a lot of people is that they see it as the reason everything went to shit like it started it so it depends on who you're talking to but I think I think you're right I think if everyone was settled in to choose the worst the TFA would come out on top I think because people have a very personal hatred for tlj and then most just film lovers think that right Skywalker was an insult to film in general mm-hmm right so he goes on hell the empire strikes back received a surprisingly luke warbrist no it did not luke warbrist I don't know what's going on like my parents don't care that much about star wars but even my mom knows about star wars because of that she was alive when this was going on she was like yes everyone fucking was obsessed with star wars like why you pretend it like you could just say yeah most people didn't really care about empire you know like this is kind of a man movie it came out you know such bullshit received a surprisingly lukewarm response upon its initial release back in 1980 you always wonder like what exactly is the point that someone's trying to make ah see a film got a lukewarm response so maybe in the future everybody will consider it good it's like yeah but what about all the films that get a lukewarm response and a permanently have a lukewarm response forever it never changes yes it's um it's the thing we heard since like from the beginning and I believe uh once we hit the 10 years everyone could admit they were wrong we're at what oh medals here yes we're getting uh eight years eight years removed from the force awakens we're getting there uh well I was gonna say the tlj is the one that most people say like it will be considered a masterpiece in a decade it's like no most day uh someone's told me uh in chat that empire strikes back one people's choice award for the year it came out you mean people's people's meh award people's hatred award look I I don't look I I just based on everything my parents say in the things that all the olds you know talk about I don't believe this idea that that this it seems like this lie that's propagated to try and justify tlj that the empire strikes back was not loved when it came out it's bullshit everyone knows but empire strikes back is what turned star wars into like a franchise that's what made it the franchise that it became so I mean to be fair nobody knows like why wingers either so often I am your father and I just there's no way there's no way this is a total rewriting of history to try and make tlj to to say no no no it'll get better just like empire to try to try to tie those two together like that argument is passed itself by day anyway because you know we're now several years out from tlj so even if you accept the premise that empire was received luke warmly and then improved it would have improved much more quickly than tlj hasn't at all so like even if you accept the premise the argument doesn't hold anymore but the premise was incorrect anyway so well the it's it's interesting that the claim is predicated on no arguments other than well people didn't like it and then eventually they did as if like that's a meaningful response to criticisms that are being levied like specific criticisms that you would have to change people's minds on the things that they are criticizing for the perception of change that's what needs to happen and and it feels like when tlj came out everybody was having a shoot like there was so many discussions happening about the contents of the film that have been like thoroughly exhausted this point what what is the new information that's going to change people's minds on um like the hyperspace kamikaze or luke's like a complete not a character assassination what are the new arguments going to be five or 10 years later that will change everybody's minds yeah that's right there aren't any yeah i yeah you got me there fringy you got me there good point something like i also find it funny that it's like if you have to wheel out that argument straight away instead of like making more i guess maybe that'll be what he's about to do what are all of these comprehensive defenses that are going to be like wheeled out they've already done it they're already at the the internet is like youtube is a graveyard of attempted tlj defenses yeah that's true actually which is funny it's kind of all tried everyone tried it didn't stick none of it stuck what's kind of kind of an interesting phenomenon that conversations happen a lot faster now to where reaching i guess the end point of the world's idea on any given film or television show like that just happens a lot more quickly yeah it's not gonna take years for people to come around it's like well people basically figure out how they feel in like a month or two months or you know the internet and social media they do sort of hyper accelerate that discussion and yes yeah you're right to where like what's gonna happen other than people going on twitter trying to make posts like oh you know everybody got it so wrong and it's like nobody's still thinking about this scene nobody's convinced first reply yo this movie was trash lol well every post about that throne room scene i i don't even know that they attempt to make it an appreciation post as opposed to a fight post they're like when they post it like yeah let's get going yeah it's like i haven't still haven't seen any arguments except uh ridley is a woman that she's bad it's like no it's because of shit character ridley i mean oh i guess that works yeah daisy ridley i was going for yeah fair enough i don't remember ridley in uh in uh star wars and i remember them fighting the big purple dragon guy but they should have would have improved it should have would have been a better hey don't drag don't drag don't besmirch his name don't drag him into this mess shall i continue there is a particularly funny line coming up well actually i i really need to use the loo i can't so and now but i want to hear this so i'll be right back very well quick platoon stop for time quick oh god oh no let's do tell us about the thing that you can tell us about a flip i can i can store for time on tlj that this is easily possible um so yes but like going back to the empire comparison then just for starting for time's sake because this is such an obvious point and it really doesn't need to be said but even the types of criticisms that you could level against empire are not the types of criticisms people did level against tlj so even if you again accepting the premise that it was received luke warmly the most i think i've ever seen is that people were you know like surprised at the darker tone that the franchise took yeah and if they wanted to feel good thing like a new hope then they were surprised and maybe weren't necessarily like happy or satisfied because it was darker but if you go into basic you know plot dissection or structural character construction decision making by characters expanded world building stuff like all the stuff that tlj falls apart on it's not just a matter of artistic difference that leads people to say that no tlj is just a dog ship film it's the fact it's a dog ship film on all of the levels hey you're not gonna find me disagreeing something i found interesting is that um part of the mounting of the defense for the last Jedi is now oh you know they made a real star wars movie they made a real movie and that that turned off star wars fans it's like you can't build up tlj by talking about how shit like all the other star wars movies are it's not gonna work like who do you think you're gonna convince whereas the empire strikes back can be built up without tearing down a new hope you don't have to tear it down to present like a case for that film even something like return of the Jedi or the prequels where we're all very away from years of dissection what's wrong with them i don't appreciate comparisons even with them i'm just like leave them alone compared to tlj at least they were trying to add to this fucking thing instead of absolutely destroy it my favorite back and forth is when someone says let the past die kill it if you have to that's the message of tlj and then someone goes you idiot that was the villain's point of view the film is actually countering it but then the more interesting take is then to see someone's like you idiot that's obviously what ryan was trying to do but he created a film and people would argue intentionally that actually does support that point of view and does destroy its legacy does kill the past he believes that's the way to move forward that would be his version of subversion meanwhile uh we have tried for many years on e-fab to try and try and push back on the damage he's done to subversion some of my favorite films of all time incorporate subversion and he's made it a dirty word so thank you for that mr johnson that dirty subversion here what a big johnson he is for doing that oh he's probably a small johnson oh he's he's at home listening to this right now and he's like oh wow that milk motor guy is too much of course the germans got that fucking piece of shit let me get like the other ones as well when you they they get a bit desperate by the end and say well rey is not a mary sue and anyway luke and anakin were mary sue so it's fine that she is one no none of that's true but also yeah the the the compulsion to try and tear down the thing before to make the new thing seem better when you start getting to that point when you stopped arguing for the film on its own merits then you are already losing that argument i think god that conversation got so poisoned because people like moved it into what is a mary sue and whether or not she categorizes the correct as it or whether or not it moves on in a meta sense of whether or not it's like can we just talk about how she as a character she was that was like where we were going with that so you have to like reformat and be like she always any struggle she encounters in the entire story either ultimately benefits her or she escapes it immediately and then they're like yeah that's okay god there's a weird thing going on there where it's like i mean i'm not a star wars guy but like i can recognize like broad storytelling structure are you and like when you when you're telling a when you're when you're doing like a trilogy of movies people are looking at it as like a a sort of three at one sort of three act story where the middle chapter or act has to be like the darkest chapter right so like the you know your low point is going to be in the middle movie in the middle movie of like a trilogy of movies and so people look at the last jedi and like they just they justify all the decisions made in the last jedi just by the fact like oh well it's supposed to be dark like the empire strikes back was dark and it's like well there's there's a good way and bad way of doing that i'm speaking of as somebody who initially liked the last jedi and then i listened to you guys talk about it i'm just like oh yeah you guys make a lot of good points i mean maybe this um this movie isn't that mean you're a victim of like the alt right pipeline or something you've been radicalized i was going to say you know don't worry you john there's like a there's a guy out there i think it would be like seven hour video about how much he didn't like it you can probably check that out i guess maybe i don't know it's curious yeah all suggestion but yeah i mean it's uh that one that is the film that has been talked about the most in efab sort of history because it's just the one it's the baby it's the one that changed everything for a lot of people and uh honestly would be seen as the flash point for the current place that not only um i guess sort of star wars and lucas film are at but also to an extent where disney is at and then also to an extent where hollywood's at you can definitely uh place the pin point further back in fact it's probably more accurate to place it further back but it seems to be the one that everyone sort of sees as like holy shit it feels like there was a before and after with that film which is kind of interesting to think about culturally like in terms of perception like people initially yeah i think before tlj there was a much more of a willingness to be like listen they're the ones making the films so we understand that they're the ones that know what they're doing and we're the ones that watch them so we go hey you know that that that was kind of fun uh even the worst films would be like but um i mean a lot of people said that they fucking you know essentially vomited when they saw tfa so i'm not going to speak for everybody i'm just saying there was a general cultural shift i wanted when i saw tlj there's a lot of people who and this by the way this phenomenon was i never saw it more passionately than with the finale for game of thrones season eight but there was a lot with tlj who i think legit saw the film and we're like that was and then they went to the internet being like is someone talking about this that captures my point of view and then a lot of careers were born including my own and efap and moller yeah hello we're here because of you ryan thank you so much for making that shit movie but i mean kind of a dick for killing stars but i yeah all right he take you with a bad didn't have to go that far half a dozen in the other as they say anyway i can continue with his assessment of the force awakens please do not done so well we're halfway he says the practical creatures animatronics and use of real locations and sets make the world feel lived in and realistic adding to the grounded and tortured new characters kylo ren in particular is captivating enhanced by an impressive performance by adam driver john boyega is endlessly charismatic as fin but the real discovery is daisy ridley who plays one of the best film heroes in recent memory wow oh damn really he said that he said that wow i wonder if you would say that today you know what i think he wouldn't because i get the impression this is as we've said before this is all very much just you put the licks the finger puts it up in the air and says force awakens is great oh yeah then the few years later he's like force awakens is good and if you put his finger up now he'd be like force awakens is a mixed bag oh why the reason i was gonna pick the one because i want to know what like about the force awakens even if you like that film what is the pressing need to watch the force awakens before you die as opposed to the other star wars films that came out in the because why die happy well that's true but they're adding to the galaxy whatever it is like why wouldn't you pick i don't know even with all its flaws in the night revenge of the sith so he is a direct product of rlm and in the sense that he is 100 in line with them on the prequels he would never express a different opinion i don't mean that to be critical of either of them necessarily what i'm trying to explain is he would you never see the prequels on this list he considers it part of his identity to be that he can hate on it i think we should probably cover his prequel reviews at some point because that could be pretty funny but yeah okay you know like all of us i assume here agree that all three prequels beat out the force awakens um in fact they all beat out the seagulls just in general they beat out the pickles for a little bit and bad movies but they definitely beat out the seagulls are impressive and how they were written in any case um yeah he he he actually makes vague reference uh to what you're you're talking about if i continue here he's he's he's gonna come up he says um ridley as in daisy ridley's work here is so real that i'm itching to see what else she can do another great addition was oscar isaac as po a cunning pilot and a very fun character cunning i just find that funny he's a very fun character not really fun character i mean you know there's more cunning expressed by uh finn in in nursing he's the one that yeah i don't know why he did i don't know why he thinks i wonder he was thinking when he wrote that or he wasn't but i mean don't know he's just not in the movie much no and there's not even with tlj which i'm guessing at you said this was written this was written in 2016 so it doesn't even have to be written before tlj now um the force awakens also breathes oh wait sorry while it follows a similar formula laid out in previous films that's pretty funny the force awakens breathes new life into the franchise with its energy its humor its emotion and above all characters that's really funny i feel like that's so terribly i think honestly though this 100 matches what everyone was saying when force awakens came out this was the take especially it does feel like um the force awakens was kind of the first of what a lot of films were trying to do at that time which is grab as much of like the iconography that people recognize of whatever franchise you're trying to like reboot or retool uh or continue but like in terms of the actual substance is vacuous and that like the this was kind of early on where when you see all of the visuals of all of like oh wow look at the you know look at the tie fighters and look at the x wings and look at like the droids and everything isn't that cool that now that doesn't really work as much even more people like oh well yeah i mean yeah you can do that you can make things look like things i recognize but it's almost like now you kind of sit in there worried like oh shit are you actually gonna it's going to be written well is it going to do a service to the series i like or is it just going to look like the thing that i like you know like it's the fucking halo right then so that was what that was sit here annoying me coming out of the cinema for that reason because i came out thinking god i really hope the next one isn't just empire but bigger um but i could kind of understand that the rationalization was well you know it's been a long time since star wars and the prequels were universally loved so you can understand from the studio perspective you're going to do something that's familiar to everyone get bumps back on seeds restore faith and franchise and progress from that point i didn't like the film but i could kind of understand the decision-making process i thought and then obviously the rest happened um and it got much much worse but i saw now also like everyone else as you say everyone else is also playing so much on just memberberry iconography stuff that it ceases to like the strategic thing and it's more just laziness at that point i saw someone saying i watched in a video and i was kind of convinced that uh tron legacy is the force awakens before the force awakens and i saw them all compare them and i was like oh shit that's kind of true like in terms of the approach they made the film with um okay yeah that film did tron legacy sort of regurgitate what the first tron did is that what they're kind of saying it was um that was supposed to be at least from the evidence they presented the video this is so long ago that i watched this um they tried to argue in the video that it was disney's attempt making what force awakens ended up being before that as in like this is going to launch a big franchise but it didn't do well and they were like oh fuck abandon ship quickly so that we can move on to the next i think i understand what you mean because like tron legacy led with a lot of like it led with the bikes the bikes happened really early on because that's like the thing that everybody remembers yeah i'd say that tron legacy is a more imaginative film than tfa tron legacy took more risks i remember liking it i don't remember yeah it stands up but um the style was really interesting looking for them the style was definitely cool but like they introduced a bunch of like new conceptual stuff into like we're going to call it the tron verse or something but you know you have the the iso creatures like sentient digital things which they didn't do anything with because they were wiped out but it took more imaginative leaps with its story than tfa did certainly i would say sorry yeah so uh yes what i was getting at in terms of what he implies this is the end of the paragraph he says it was so refreshing to once again see a star wars movie with entertaining likeable characters so obviously name one well you probably need the whole case what he's saying of course is that the prequels had no entertaining or likable characters which is just not true come on that's not true that's not true i'd be hilarious i think i think fucking jar jar was added today to use holy stupid of shit absolutely palpatine yes i mean count dooku count dooku um good old general gravis was cool like it's yeah that's at least there were superficially cool things about it even if you drew the line there yeah what the prequels had that the sequels absolutely do not is that almost everyone who saw them like you know it's kind of shitty but i'd like to see more of count dooku i'd like to see more of general gravis i'd like to see more of darth maul i'd like to see more of the clone wars but like good can you give me that because this looks interesting nobody says i gotta see another po dabbard adventure give me that please the prequels presented much more fertile ground for like in terms of world building it's really fertile ground there's like a lot of things that you can do in that world that they did do through video games and stuff that was really cool whereas the sequel era is like it's salted it's really hard to grow anything out of that era yeah they're almost like polar opposites for world building if you think of the opening of phantom menace which you don't ever expect the star wars opening crawl to start talking about tax disputes and train reform laws and all the rest of that stuff but it's laying groundwork that allows the rest of the expanded universe from that point to pick up and tell more interesting stories with the world that's being created and then tfa comes along and then tlj after it it's just like yeah there was a new republic for a bit and it's it's kind of gone and the first order is just the empire again now they've been around apparently oh absolutely what happened when you really consider force awakens as it shrunk the universe hard core the problem with the prequels was like look at all of this galaxy wide conflict like whoa and then it's like you can find out more in books or maybe in you know third-party elements or shows but the movies themselves are not going to cover a huge amount of what's going on there but you'll keep you'll see it out the window and it'll look cool and you're like oh that does look cool the sequels were like everything mostly takes place like on a selection of what was tlj covered like one two planets maybe well i guess you'd have three right with cancer four it was four so let me be clear right so the the chase happens from the original planet that we don't even get to like it's it's a whatever it's like a port it's barely anything then you have counterbiting the side story that most people think should be cut then you have great which is the most important planet but it's mainly a battle scene great it's not like just just i'm getting out like it doesn't feel compared to like for instance in and or where it's like oh ferricks you've got like a really really comprehensive view of that place you know even like more lana one which you only see a couple of times you get a real sense of place from that one to one to go back to the ot right i think a best bin same deal best bin occupies what like the third act a bit of the second act but like you get to see life on best bin then it becomes very relevant plot wise and then an escape scene is in best like everyone knows best bin i mean like if i most people know craig's it's like a meme planet in terms of all the shit that happened on there like the love thing did kill what you protect what you loved or what you hate whatever so it has to keep going back to tatooine yeah um why does it keep going back it's like well because you get a really good sense of place in a new hope of what tatooine is and then and they don't know how to build worlds or at least most of these projects don't seem to be able to build them come like how much do we know about that planet that they went to in a soca for that episode you know the building planet which one oh karelia was that karelia yeah we we saw karelia in um solo movie as well you can pick up a lot of stuff not karelia but you wouldn't get it from a soca itself that's right i forgot um what about the what about the planet with the red trees what do we learn about that place uh the the the planet where the whales come whatever yeah that's right the star well nothing nothing about the life there only it's a forest mm-hmm how much do we learn about um about the planet that they went to get sabine from the one with the city there that had uh that had um mr crabs what do we know about that place yeah that's probably the most we know from this planet she she lives very far away from the city in a tower until the tower is closer well i don't know it's just you know alzani and uh and andor we we got like a good sense of a very specific part of that planet and like the interactions between the empire and the local people there as well as the strategic importance of that planet in the uh in the empire and that's like three episodes and we'll probably never go there again it can it's yeah it's pretty funny when you compare it to what were the planets in the rise of sky walker what were they uh mustafar one of the earlier ones that nobody knew that was mustafar all right it's on it somehow all right that is what kyla was to collect dav vaders uh waypoint finder whatever the fuck it was is that the same oh yes that is the move what it is yeah he does i forgot and there's people to this day sharing that as an awesome move he was gonna moonwalk it'd be so fucking stupid why would you move down down down down down down down down down oh that's the that this is a different song let's beat it okay i just wanted to do a mecha jackson reference he's he's had alcohol rags let him that's good that's good that's good i've done the one silver as well fuck you you're a star wars oh i'm sorry i didn't mean that rags trust there's there's the desert planet with the happy aliens oh yes the one where they find our lando or lando finds that oh my god yeah do they fly now planet that's right i mean i remember there was a time which has a planet surface which is principally made up of star destroyers yes even under the foundations of the planet constructed of star destroyers fuck you know all right we get to destroyers all the way down we got one paragraph left it was wonderful seeing han solo grace the screen again and the film wisely makes use of him and the rest of the original cast teasing us in enticing ways by killing him it's enticing to him because he wanted to die yeah that makes sense the force awakens leaves us wanting more which is exactly what it should do impressive abram's most impressive i'm pretty sure jj abrams will come out eventually and say that star wars was a huge mistake that he shouldn't have taken that job and it will be very funny and we will all laugh i don't even dislike him that much but it's just such shallow writing like that what you just fair enough fair enough but i'm just saying moller doesn't give you taiko itt times i was never really that sort of but like when i when i when i hear sentences like that it's just like you are just writing fluff like surface fluff to sort of distract people to avoid actually diving into what actually makes this film good or bad or whatever right like it's just it's a dodge also that bugs me about it it's actually interesting to bring up taiko because um part of what makes me really annoyed is that i know he's capable of really good shit but he's like lazy and fucking around because he's doing the thing of being like star wars that's not art i'll get the money marvel that's not art whatever oh i can make my own movie where i care and like do blah blah blah and it's like fuck you man why can't you like put more effort in and actually especially taking care of something that people care about that'd be nice and then you know jj abrams is not quite the same beast this is a guy who just looking back on his whole career i'm starting to wonder because it was funny alias comes up ever once in a while and it's like what's alias about it's like well there is a series of magical items that belong to someone who built them years ago that no one understands what they do or what they're gonna lead to and i was like oh shit that's like it's like your magical boxes there's like what's lost primarily about it's like an island that no one knows why it's here what it does ultimately that it's mysterious it has loads of unanswered questions about who's there what's happened it's notoriously known as one of the worst ending like seasons of television ever it's like fuck like he really is consistent um the i think the wildest one was rewatching mission impossible three where the the item in that film that's so important that everyone's after and all doing kinds of things that nobody knows what it actually does it's like fucking hell he keeps doing it how can he keep getting away with it and i guess that the thing is that with the rise of skywalker he was forced to answer questions that he raised as well as follow a story that ignored a lot of his material and then it just revealed what kind of storyteller he is which is not one he's he can't do it he just can't do it he can't i mean if you can't end a story like i mean what are you you know like it's a storyteller if you can't complete stories if you can only start them and pass them to other people have to sort through your mess well and so what's funny is we do the meme because i just wanted to that you can't keep getting away with it but the thing he didn't he didn't get away with it this time you know i guess he got away with it in terms of making a lot of fucking money yeah but um it looks like he's not making anything anymore he's had that thing that like deal with warner brothers for like the last four years to make a bunch of dc stuff and he hasn't made anything nothing is materialized and i guess he'll probably walk away from that deal with a bunch of money but i doubt he'll get another one like that again which yeah i guess that's you know who's next mentally um uh i'm just taking a look at the list here to see what what does he say for what does he say about no country for old men no boy did you pick that i want to know i haven't seen a one in a long time but i'm scared wait what year did that come out that was 2007 okay doki i thought it would be much older to be honest i don't know why such a fucking good movie let's see what i want to see what he has unfortunately for no country for old men it only earned one page from mr stuckman not to be only wow so he had more to say about the force awakens than no country brought dude he loved the force away i think i can understand that there's an element of no country for old men that i would almost want to be kind of brief with it so that you can so you kind of go in with the sense of discovering what it's about and trying to say if that makes sense understand what you're saying rags i do understand it but i don't know if that was his motivation i want to refer to oh yeah yeah i'm not saying that this is what he did no no no no no but yeah so we just pointed out you already had two pages for tfa because i was just bitching about people hate it which yeah that's true that's true it is in a matter of sense when you write in a book of recommendations really weird to spend most of your reviews saying like fucking people didn't understand this like science or you shouldn't be doing that you should be just like this movie is awesome who cares whatever people were saying at the time i wrote this i'm just saying it's awesome anyway no country for old men 2007 director joel and ethan cohen starring tomie lee jones habie badam and josh brolin studio miramax films the cohen brothers have always been universally talented their understanding of screwball comedy and tense drama has impressed me for years you may think i've included no country for old men in this book simply out of obligation yes as if that's just one of the movies that has to be discussed you're not going to discuss it but of course it's on here disgusting as a strong word the thing about it is there's a lot of movies that i think should have been on this list that haven't made it and i would recognize that just from the fact that i can see certain movies on here that i'm like how did they see even make it on here like um or all the the fincher movies from 2000 to 2016 we're sorry um the social network was 2010 um girl with the dragon tattoo the girl with the dragon tattoo would be included in this gone girl would be eligible too because of the force awakens is and that includes 24 shows zodiac out of all of them it's like which um out of all of them i would not have chosen so yeah i would have chosen if i had to pick one and be like the social network or gone girl if i had to include him from the 2000s social networks my favorite yeah yeah i'm not sure which is my favorite i fucking love his work though it's shit um oh yeah anyway uh but on the contrary i had a very love hate relationship with this film at first oh is he gonna say the thing that everyone who doesn't like this movie says i didn't like the ending i didn't even know what the people said about that so i'm curious well so i mean to explain what i'm trying to say before we read on is the everyone who doesn't like no country for old men the first thing they'll say is i don't know that ending wasn't very good the ending was bad it was you know you set up this whole plot of like you know hero versus villain and then you have it all end off screen that's i don't know about that i don't know i didn't like that really liked it up to then but didn't like that that's the thing that's what everyone says and uh well let's uh let's see this we're done with first paragraph out of three we're on to the second one now i think it's reviews it's it's like oh so annoying i came close to hating no country upon my first viewing i'm sure the ending had something to do with that but i also found the film painfully boring is this another bladerunner situation oh no is it bladerunner but then i watched 17 more times yeah but as weeks went on i recall not being able to remove the film from my mind to my surprise i discovered a desire to watch it again and eventually i did you know where that desire came from looking online for people who hate it being like oh shit everyone liked it fuck uh i can't have my own opinion what oh god it is bladerunner third paragraph here we go with that second viewing and the subsequent watches in future i began to notice so much that i'd miss the first time and grew to deeply respect the filmmaking and the gorgeous cinematography no country you notice normally the gorgeous cinematography is something you notice the first time even if you don't like it we're halfway through the paragraph we're running out of time from to tell us what's good about the movie okay let's go with that and then i'll here we go my thoughts no country for old men is one of those rare films that seems to grow and change every time you watch it for that reason alone it deserves to be in this book oh he doesn't even to summarize the assessment of no country for old men just to be quick here is is the you know i didn't like it at first but then i did it's good yeah basically yeah no elaboration to yeah like this should be such an easier thing to fill pages with so you could go and he's like oh i watched it for the first time and i kind of already almost hated it and i but then i just thought about it and uh i don't know why and then you i watched it again it's like oh now i like it a bit better okay now you tell me why you liked it better you can just tell me what were you what was your thought process that's like an easy thing you can just write that's like five six seven eight pages you can easily write about that thought process alone and then at the end you can go like okay i thought i'd appreciate what was going on there and i actually understood what was going on like why why why do you keep it so short i don't understand metal if you think about it too right on rewatches what changed according to him what he what he referenced specifically was that um he began to notice so much and then he said the filmmaking and cinematography that's two things that you would almost certainly appreciate a good deal of it it's not even that it's filmmaking is way too broad i don't even know what he's referring to exactly filmmaking that's all of it and then cinematography which i think most would argue has been mentioned that's one of the things you'd pick up first time around compared to a lot of other things no mention of the intention writing the the themes obviously that the the the the subversive elements that the coins are fucking is practically stitched into their artistic merit is that they subvert that's like their whole thing if you're gonna watch them or fincher because we mentioned them recently you should expect an ending that's going to throw you off that's what always happens yeah i will say like maybe this is partially in stuckman's defense but like the first time i watched no country for old men i overall liked the movie but i didn't like the ending and then as i rewatched it now it's one of my favorite movie endings of all time because i understand now what it was doing sort of at this illustration of a man who feels so out of place and uh he's feels like that the world is sort of evolving without him he has no guiding marker he has no mentor and uh as a cop it's like crime is evolving to this point where it's just like i don't even know what to do how to behave he's used to small town stuff he's getting this huge violent and intricate like all kinds of insane shit happening he's not ready for it's not the world he belonged to it's a it's an amazing film uh honestly i should we should pray a bit more when we get the chance on the one of course there's a version of you build up um anton as this unstoppable like almost supernatural force that's pursuing josh brolin and you're so focused on that that it almost makes you forget about the other people who are also looking for the money to where it's like oh shit yeah like he's dead because there were other people who were trying to get him and of course he is because what chance did he really have of succeeding here when he had this many people gunning for him like that's that's a bold choice um it's very uncommon it's very subversive i love the POV of um tomaley jones' character entering the final battle post battle and exactly what the fuck has happened here jesus this is insane how is this even happening i'm not ready for it like all of it comes so into focus and then of course it's changing the fact that anton is defeated by bad luck potentially potentially defeated by it because we don't know for sure but that the person who's been this incredibly calculating operator throughout the whole film incredibly precise seemingly the world didn't his control almost but then oh yeah car crash because the world is not in your control the world is on a stop sign they are unpredictable yeah so it happens when you're on a stop sign in a suburb and uh and it's just like well that's really cool and that's absolutely elements that rewatching films can be like illuminating but the problem with yes it's like if you don't explain what it was that you noticed why you maybe didn't notice it the first time around without like the explanation it just comes across as right it's a movie that you were supposed to like you don't like it and that was like untenable uh so you have to keep rewatching and rewatching and rewatching until you could justify to yourself that you liked it because in the absence of any arguments what am i supposed to conclude about what you actually think about the film yeah i mean i just had that with the killer because we uh moller and i rewatched it because he asked me what do you like about it i did a bit of the uh pause every five minutes and talk about it format oh yeah i mean i love it because i already liked it a lot just just on on it being like a cool action thriller kind of dealio but i didn't even pick up on all the actual things that are going on and then we went through it again it's like oh shit this is like even better now yeah that's a because even with films that you get first time around rewatching and then seeing all of the scenes that play out and knowing where it's going to end when you can see that guiding when you can see the direction that's all heading it'll be like oh i okay yeah yeah oh wow yeah i didn't notice that first time around oh yeah cool but again it's like what's meaningful is not just saying i rewatched it and i liked it what's meaningful is i rewatch it and then i noticed this which explains this or um emphasizes strengths and bolsters this element of the plot no no yeah no no i liked it more then it's just always good to see that it can go both ways like rewatching it just gets worse but there's also movies you rewatch them it's like oh it actually got better now it's always nice to see that seems to be kind of like the way it goes is that good films when you notice that it's improving it's like oh shit all right so awesome someone just mentioned the film is great but the off-screen stuff still stinks how would the film not be better if it was not off-screen so i think maybe this can be illustrated by uh and i guess spoilers but since me bringing rags and metal of all completed slash checked out what happens in it godwall ragnarok valhalla uh we did a stream trolley on the entire story for ragnarok you can check that out this is an older e-fab but we're probably not going to do a dedicated one to talk about that dlc however something that came up and me and fringy talked about this offline so i wouldn't mind making it an online thing now by mentioning it uh when i was completing it uh and i think for fringy too i'm not sure about metal maybe um so when in chat suggested like wouldn't it have been really cool slash depending on what chatter we had really bad uh really good whatever to have new north kratos that you're playing fight young og kratos as a representative of his life that he's trying to move past something like that and um i think i said on my stream that i trust the people who make this so much that i would have been um the spoiler i'm technically delivering here is that you don't fight him so don't worry too much about spoilers i'm not gonna i'm trying to actually no wait mute this for 10 minutes 10 minutes oh god i want to be free to be able to talk about it i'm sorry but so like yeah uh the the nature of whether or not he could fight him i said basically that um it could work and i trust the people who make this to make it meaningful one way or the other um however you know i spoke to fringy about it i think your reaction was more so like no no no i don't think i think we don't want to have them fight and uh i'll let you do you want to do your reasoning first as to why we wouldn't want to fight so to me it shows a remarkable amount of restraint to not have them fight because that just seems like the obvious pathway of he is defeating his older self who um and and like removing him from who he is whereas really like a lot of what valhalla is presenting is kratos needs to take on a more broad all-encompassing perspective on who we used to be rather than just strictly focusing on all of the obvious bad things that he did and the obvious bad motivations behind it of like lust for power um and ambition informing a lot of his actions when much more so like what tir is trying to present to him is is more complicated than that there were things where like uh the one that seemed really stark was why did you take the deal with aries it's like why ambition i wanted to be super duper powerful it's like well what would have happened if the barbarians won what would have happened if you died is like well the barbarians would have killed everybody they would have like over on spada and killed everybody including his family ah so like what is happening there is that you're loading so much of why you didn't like the decision you made uh based on the consequences of that choice rather than also taking into account whatever merit there may have been to the choice as well sure there might have been ambition but there was also a desire to save people you need to you need to essentially over the course of of valhalla it's all about trying to more appropriately incorporate his perspective on who his past self was into the way that he moves forward because his past self is a part of him it is a part of him and it informs the choices that he makes and it's clearly a source of a lot of um trepidation and concern of taking on the mantle of uh like god of war and becoming like a leader again essentially the same way that he did at the end of the first game and he's gone onward um and that what he needs to do is like uh kind of like radical self-acceptance of who he was as something that informs the decisions he makes but isn't going to define the decisions that he makes and i think that the idea of well you need to kill your past self you need to like fight him and destroy him would run contrary to the point that is trying to be built up by the force of the doc which is he was you you're not him but you kind of are you need to understand that that's who you are incorporated into who you are uh and move forward regardless with some amount of optimism you don't you are not going to make the same mistakes again i think fighting his old self would have been more in line with the old Kratos and not the new one the yes i think the acceptance that he and that old person are not like because i i quite find valhalla so fucking important now to the meta discussion of what god of war as a franchise has become like that dlc basically says like yeah it's it's norse kratos and greek kratos and the dlc basically says like no they're the same guy they've just uh it's incorporated all of the perspectives he's shared and experienced across all games is all who he is right now and that that's what that that last monologue which i recommend everyone check out whether or not you want to play the game fully it's fucking great check it out it's awesome where he you know he starts out almost like ashamed and angry at his old self but he realizes pretty quickly that uh and it's through all the things we discover because one as was mentioned with um the the nature of the deal he makes with aries is also how he does like the approach and the perspective he has on his um which which game was it the the second psp game which is fucking amazing that they incorporate all this shit but um he's got all this he's got something unresolved with helios helios is showing up as a replacement for mamiir and he's making fun of you and you're having a back and forth and it's like this is valhalla it's very likely a projection of your insecurity related to what you did to helios which is rip his fucking head off and you know the game uses the history it's like you know he saved your life and you've had interactions that relate to him that is clearly something unresolved and helios says some of the most like critical things of kratos in that dlc um that again i recommend everyone play but the the thing that tia tells you once you defeat him uh for that i think that's the third time possibly the second time is that it's like wait in that dlc you you essentially gave your life to restore the sun when it was taken down by the fact that um more orpheus i think kidnapped helios um i can't remember the exact name but it's it's kind of a it's a bit of a goofy plot what you have to do but they've contextualized again that's like wait that was really good and then kratos is like yeah but that was that was before i ripped off helios's head and it's like well yeah but you don't discount that that's meaningful that matters that's something you did that was really important and really good why do you always focus why are you always talking about all the horrible things you did and it's like well you well yeah and so yeah i i i'm inclined morpheus sorry morpheus morpheus um so i'm very unstoppable i'm very inclined to agree that fighting uh old kratos would miss the point but at the same time and there's something that i was talking to bring about was you can contextualize it probably you'd need to have to have it happen relatively early in the dlc but if you were to fight him and you could even have it be the the more you fight him the more his health keeps increasing the more damage he deals and then you get a chance maybe to end his life and he's like he just you know poofs into it an existence and then tear is like is this what you want like what do you why is this even how you know and it can be the opening to understanding something which is you don't want to fight him you don't want to defeat or destroy him you want to understand him what he's about what you know it would only ever be contextualized as a mistake i'm having a big old brain blast though because if you are the thing with valhalla it's like you said with helios it's not actually helios it's kratos's perception of helios yeah what he would say to him when he was here right now yeah but but not but not necessarily a true reflection of helios that's where the harshest criticism comes from is his uh assess yeah his what which strictly is from himself yeah if you think the reason why i'm wrong is the talking head for that which is interesting is that if they wanted to have it be that you fought and killed kratos old kratos it would be on the premise that you're destroying a conception of him that you have in your mind there's not an accurate representation of who that guy was that could be like a way that i could see them contextualizing it is like this is who you think he is not who he actually is that could be like one angle that you could go with but like personally i do really like the idea of not fighting i think it shows a remarkable amount of restraint because could you imagine how fucking hype that would be yeah i was like old kratos getting out of his chair pulling out his blades like the blades of chaos and then the music running in the middle of the fight he runs off to open a chest in the same style as he does in greek and like all those little health blobs about i mean that wouldn't be as impactful there's so many things in the in the steel c was like oh do you remember these meme scenes that you all laugh about where you press circle to abandon your daughter yeah that's like actually meaningful now and emotional it's like what yeah and for the record the argument is dead that the greek the greek games are disrespected by the norse ones it's over yeah absolutely not the valhalla game is basically said the greek games are misunderstood and awesome as far as i'm concerned that's pretty much what it says it just how it ends as well like if you compare how old kratos like greek kratos and quotations sitting in the in the throne when he gets in there and then the current kratos like sits in there like with confidence because the old kratos is just like they're boars like i don't actually want to be here and then the the when when you get in that in that chair he's like sitting there with like a like a posture and meaning it's like you know what actually kind of want to sit here for a while like this is this might be for me actually well and we said i don't i don't see how you do god of war anymore without mimea i want to i want to see mimea in egypt talking to anubis oh yeah that's what it looks like when mimea is in an environment that he's not so familiar with yes and so the uh this this i remember there's a video that even synthetic man said was like really good which was the it was always dpu cowards or whatever i think that's the title of it and it's like as far as i'm concerned valhalla has basically come full circle that uh we're not ignoring they did the thing that um it's like the positive version of what the sequels were doing where they were like stay away from the prequels they're embarrassing a lot of people took that from 2018 it's like they didn't even mention the greek era really there's only a couple of references it's like no it's just representative of how much kratos has ran away and ignored and tried to become a new guy but by the time you hit the end of valhalla the lesson is like to incorporate it to understand that you were not a monster it was not that simple and it's really cool to have tier be the one that that sort of facilitates all this change and introspection because a lot of people said like it's kind of unfortunate we didn't get the god of war from the north era to have his sort of say and his impact on the story but now we do we get him we get to fight him with like aztec ejection from japan he's like all these different weapons so cool dude all of his travel because that's a possibility what if it is like kratos mimir and tier tier as the guide since he went to different realms and interact with different pantheons as part of attempts to rehabilitate kratos' reputation because what if the perspective in egypt is kratos didn't save the north mythology he killed odin and you served as authority and took it over for himself because that's what kratos does he's a destroyer it kind of it does look bad from the outside from the outside and that's a good way to try and create more conflict maybe you have a couple of pantheons teaming up like dude we got to stop this guy yeah this guy's going crazy now over there egypt and ruin everything too so that's our review of no country for old man yes free dlc free it's free guys and it took me like eight hours to get a war it's so good i love it it's pretty good man give me more go to war merge so in general string of video games yeah they're fun i believe we have done myself metal rags and fringies rags and me oh boy j longboat little platoon and john anyone of you three want to pick the next one oh by the way chat you're free to free to come back now we're done with the yeah spoiler over because efeb hasn't spent enough time on this recently and i want to find out how vapid he is on the subject how about return of the king oh okay not a bad choice not a bad choice will he say something like it brilliantly caps off a brilliant film trilogy and a good film that is good made me feel emotions oh only one page for return of the king oh shit it was one of those things how it's so long how it's about it he's gonna talk about the trilogy as well probably right i don't know all right here we go lord of the rings the return of the king 2003 you're gonna say golem sometimes when you say that and you say the lord of the ring that's what we're gonna do in golem how are you traumatized by golem you only had to have to play it right when my friend is suffering in the next room and i hear the screams that gives me trauma director peter jackson starring elijah wood ian mckellan and live tyler oh that's the three okay that's a strange i mean that it's not a lie it's just a bad choice i mean you think vigo would make it to the third credit wouldn't you okay john wick vigo not that vigo no okay studio wingman films the word epic overused as the term may be was invented to describe movies like the return of the king oh sorry you put return of the king here he didn't put the ver in there damn um and it's even in um in italics to represent it's a movie title italian every shot in peter jackson's magnificent finale to his beloved lord of the ring trilogy reflects a perfect bond between filmmaker and source material somehow a movie over three hours long is that tears by okay hairs by that's a strength yeah i'm not heard that i've heard it i've heard of used in the context of here going past something very quickly like you're tearing past also i wouldn't i wouldn't use that to describe the film i don't think it feels like it goes by quickly i think it feels like it goes by just right effectively yeah like you're you're a part it makes it feel big is the fact that it moves with its runtime i would say i mean we described as we're watching this kind of perfectly paced but i know a lot of people don't feel that way and that's okay um yeah he says somehow a movie over three hours long tears by with your sore ass being the only indication of times passage what what's wrong does he's does he have bad chairs what you're sorry what a what a terrible return of the game i think it's already a third of the way through plenty more condensing to paragraph my ass here but the film is okay i knew it was long because my butt hurt and is like what are we describing your your experimental college years or are we talking about a movie that's it's weird because when it wasn't a cinema so there were still breaks in between movies at least for me i remember there was a break like after like two two two hours or something and when you're yeah i was just gonna say like sore butt jokes i feel like only apply to theatrical releases like if you're streaming something at home or playing it on like you know an extended version dvd or whatever blu-ray you can pause it right you can get up stretch if you want and then play it again so like i don't know what he's referring to here specifically it sounds like i missed something i was just getting some coffee what sounds like i missed a really funny line well he made a sore butt joke and i don't know if that he's talking about the extended editions or the theatrical edition i think i don't think the theatrical edition of return of the king was three plus hours because he said over three hours long tears by you'd be saying four hours if it was the extended okay so what is the sentence is somehow a movie over three hours long tears by with your sore ass the only indication of time's passage okay that's a okay i think it's the use of that really doesn't help it feels like oddly crude oddly yes that's the way for um fellowship go ahead just a bit of a brief tangent but i just realized it's like oh he's got no dream works films on his list either no shrek uh or country panda oh you think shrek would be on here my mission you would think that at least shrek if he was gonna one of the anime ones though for his animated movies which all right well i mean i think spirited away is totally fair to be on the list too but i'm surprised that there is no shrek on there anyway well what context are we talking about here because too much of a meme he can't put that on his list oh just just like a 50 films from the 2000s to watch it's like well shrek is really great and influential so like that makes sense to me as one to throw on there and put it on my list yeah hello and i'm not the film connoisseur craftsman that he is well we're learning to become one today from this book true i have much to learn all right so fellowship and towers are both wondrous achievements but return captured the looming sense of dread and finality at last providing closure to the journey of jr tolkin's famous heroes and villains wow so i guess tolkin didn't do it but the films did all right then tolkin's like what are you talking about would you see that way return he keeps referring them just by the feeling i guess that's fine you know return harnessed a powerful emotional wallop somehow making every scene feel grander than the last is it possible to harness a wallop i don't know oh yeah some countries have actually transitioned to a wallop based economy can i harness a wallop google would know in hindsight it's amazing that the trilogy turned out as well as it did jackson filmed his opus back to back to back which in the past has proven to be a terrible idea matrix reloaded in revolutions anyone what the hell past that was after he did that yeah what a terrible example i think it's hardly unacclavable why would you say wow the matrix was filmed afterward so there's no precedent you can't cite that as a precedent it happened after he did it it's a it's a post-cident post-cident um wait remind me when did matrix come out matrix so matrix came out in 99 but revolutions and reloaded was like 2003 they were done after water the rings water the rings was filmed in 1999 and 2000 so you know what i mean how are you citing like ah yes filming back to back is uh a risky as demonstrated by a film that came out after you did this yeah i'm pretty sure because revolution's are both considered bad while matrix was filmed on its own separated from them you know what i mean meanwhile like these three were filmed together so like it doesn't i'm pretty sure when the when the first matrix was made they had no intention at the time of making proper course not because of the success of the first movie the studio was just like yeah let's turn this into a couple sequels at least right i suppose the the point would be that citing something that happened afterward as the precedent for why it was risky to shoot lord of the rings concurrently oh he explains funny there's one line here to explain what he's discovered through matrix reloading revolutions and that what he he believes i suppose that uh lord of the rings the trilogy avoided here comes this is the sentence it's hard to correct one's movies mistakes or sorry one movie's mistakes when you're already filming the next one um i mean in the same sense that it's apparently difficult to fix problems within a film while you're shooting that film yeah that would be the same thing i make a lot of sense not really because you can just do reshoots yeah all the actual difference would be is that it they it's longer as a process as much as you can admit like well yeah but you you can't make changes in sort of a retcon way to film one with film two a film two has already been filmed it's like well yeah i i guess the counter argument would be that if the film already exists you can't change that film at all well i suppose the irony is that um you can go the opposite direction in the if lord of the rings was filmed and then released and then filmed and then released it might have been that fan reactions to the fellowship might have damaged two towers in return to the king you never know precious can go in both directions yeah that's true that's totally true so um kind of a silly point uh it kind of depends on the film well and it's like wait what are we doing again it's like oh sorry we're three quarters of the way through a review of the return of the king and it's talking about how it's it's not necessarily good to film multiple films in a trilogy or series back-to-back he well he's almost suggesting that it's bad to do back-to-back filming which is like what yeah i i'm a little he's talking about fellowship there he's trying to make sorry was was he talking about fellowship of the ring there here's the trilogy the trilogy yeah the whole trilogy the fact that it was shot concurrently yeah that that was like that that was maybe a potentially bad idea that that if anything a transcended being shot back-to-back when that was obviously the the intention to do it that way which is really what's funny or unless i could make it is the trusted wisdom at this point most people say like you should encourage the filming of like a franchise concurrently somewhat if you can you know in the context of something like Lord of the Rings yes make them together because obviously what happened with the sequel right that was horrendous i was going to bring that up yeah you on the one hand he's talking about the perils of filming back-to-back but the sequel trilogy which one of which at least he's praised probably is all of the perils of not doing it that way you've got too much time to try and take account of fan criticism shift directors shift writing direction i assume that he is not planning to rewatch the force awakens again his entire life even though he watches it every year with this well this is a part of a phenomenon that we've commented on and it both sucks and is awesome the cultural community aspect the social aspect of film watching or rather either media enjoyment or consumption where i was saying this before but wouldn't really cool for some of our favorite stuff to have come out at a time more so like this where we all get to talk about it and make videos on it and have back and forth to everybody and discuss it and stuff versus like take Lord of the Rings for example how fucking cool would it have been and also painful you have to wait the whole year for the next one and then talk about it and wait the whole year you know what i mean like all of us talking about it that would be really cool but at the same time it like that sort of engagement i think this is most illustrated by game of thrones i don't know people saw the videos but they would go viral a lot of people in a bar this particular bar where everybody would be watching the episodes and they would like there's this big reveal like the red wedding i think is where it first started to get traction the whole bar is like oh my god and people are crying and going oh i can't believe this and then every season had at least one but up to like five of those moments and then that would be shared everywhere we we've seen it i mean my video with the star wars stuff covered at this reaction meta we're like it goes from being a kind of cool thing that we're all sharing to a thing that everyone's pursuing and a thing that a lot of people convert it into the enjoyment of the thing itself the problem is it doesn't age with the thing itself the thing itself stays the same you watch that again 10 years later and it is what it is you now don't have the crowd the culture all of the atmosphere that you had when you first saw it and so a lot of people go wait a minute this isn't this isn't as good as when i first saw it damn it's like yeah because a lot of it was you enjoying it with other people you celebrating it with other people and i feel like that's what happened with the force awakens to a lot of an extent certainly abnegame of thrones in retrospect a lot of people don't have good things to say about anything past season four as a whole like this this highlights but there's a lot of stuff where people are just like i remember i'm going nuts i remember enjoying it a hell of a lot which was fun and i was going to say it would have been cool to have this with films that like we adore like lord of the rings also hi as how you doing right hey hey yo we're reading chris duckman's reviews of movies it's been very entertaining and insightful yeah the the lateness of the join oh yeah you gotta you're gonna have to choose from the list of 50 what you want me to read out and don't worry if you pick one that we've read already i'll just redirect you just gonna tell you we've done suck we've done signs uh the force awakens no country for old men what did you choose mel incredible incredible and we're currently on return of the king um do i i just select anything well select one that you would like to hear his opinion on something maybe that means something to you in some way um there's a imdb link in the in the chat to ronnie you can you can click on but yeah i still i just i stand by the nature that um it's a really cool aspect to share everything with everybody but at the same time it like completely skews one's view of a thing to the point where later on they're like wait why did i feel that way about it it's like you forgot you were watching it with a whole bunch of people and that everyone loved it at the time we saw this with marvel um over time it just like every movie that came out people were going nuts over it and then like the half life decreased and decreased and decreased to the point now where it's gone wasn't it um love and thunder that was the first one we noticed we were like whoa the switch on that was quick yeah it's yeah it took a few months yeah it took a few months for moon night and yeah it's all love and thunder is like within the week people already turned on it because the marvel um train the marvel momentum was going crazy and quick but then it just died out um we saw it die out over time but even like black widow was like no it was awesome it was great and it was really cool to see the backstory and you know scolch handsome did a great job and then everyone should check it out and it's like what the fuck that one was terrible so but it's all stopped now like the marvels the fucking hell people talked about that for 12 minutes people decided that was over before it came out let's be honest even even fucking marvel decided that was over before it came out that quote came out right the ice skate quickly over thin ice or whatever so it's really hard to do group react content when there's only two people in the cinema for it so it's never gonna be yeah we made jokes about that the two people entered they're like are you reviewing this for youtube it was like yeah you yeah tick tock you're like okay let's set together you want a beer marvels when we both know that i'm doing critical reviews anyway so and one of them is like that was awesome it's like you're dead to me so anyway to continue the final paragraph of his review of the return of the king yet by some miracle jackson barely missed a step return of the king won 11 oscars an unprecedented feat for a fantasy blockbuster two words that academy members seem to loathe to this day it's one of the highest ranked on imdb and it's still visually spectacular 13 years after its release it is you didn't say anything about why is good he just said it's good no he just said it's really good that why well because there's four paragraphs but he spent well here's the thing i'm talking about how it shouldn't have been good i don't know i mean chris needs to understand that when he makes these lists that the fact that it's on the list is already the implication it's good and we should see yeah so you don't have to spend all that time in the little tiny blurb you give to just say that what was the one we read that implied that he was talking to someone who'd seen the film was it incredible's we're just talking about it as though people had seen it was rags pointed out i was like he hasn't even told us what the movie is yet and it's like no oh i could remember which film it was but it's just funny that he does this like it's like a list of movies you know you should see like what's the point of that all righty i suppose uh next suggestion we can go with uh j long bono john first i suppose uh i was gonna say the winter soldier oh sorry as i've been chosen now you gotta find something else i'm looking i'm looking i'm looking at the list right now do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do winter soldier we're gonna have more beer hmm the soldier's a winter i'm not gonna lie the soundtrack's pretty killer oh this one gets two pages well page in a bit whoa there you go that's like two and a half paragraphs or something all right captain america the winter soldier director anthony and joe rousseau starring chris evans samuel jackson scarlett Johansson studio marvel enterprises uh enterprises i think you mean marvel enterprises i've never heard it said i've never heard of enterprises before yeah i i don't think that it's has it ever been called i thought it was marvel entertainment was the company marvel enterprise maybe he put the wrong word in his book but i mean the studio was marvel studios um yeah and if he's talking about like the distributor that's disney hmm okay well i don't know what to tell you apparently oh okay so formally it was called marvel enterprises that's what it used to be called i just saw marvel entertainment l l three that's yeah oh someone said that's when paramount was still involved but this is 2014 so uh 2014 was when it was disney i'm pretty sure the winter soldier was just like distributed by disney whoops anyway here we uh let us begin growing up the idea of seeing my comic book heroes on the big screen seemed like a dream thanks to the success of films like iron man and the avengers that dream is a reality as much as i love the afo mentioned films though it was captain america the winter soldier oh no it says captain america the winter solider no this is your book that's a big squiggly would have saved you chris that that could happen all right that can't happen that can't happen i first can we know it could happen because i just highlight that it happened yes we believe the reality oh no well i'll just uh i'll post it to you it'll be a solider i love that movie we were soliders it was uh it was really good solidest snake well the reason it's called that is because captain america had to take the super solider serum so the winter solider it's okay though it's fine captain america the winter solider has brought oh that brought harsh unforgiving realism to the marvel cinematic universe all right that's the intro next paragraph pretty harsh harsh unforgiving realism to the mcu is what he said yeah i you know i can well i am fine with that yes i get why he said it but i do agree that iron man already set that the tonic in his heart blown out was pretty you know the scene where he's like screaming and the surgery's happening that's pretty raw oh and even just uh when the blood starts to pull into his shirt you know like oh you know i'm i don't know if people talk about it that much but it's a bit of body horror when he wakes up and he sees that there's like the car battery hooked up to his heart it's like yeah oh yeah anyway in 2012 the avengers chris evans played the powerful super no fucking way oh you can see it in the image you can see it oh no he didn't he didn't just copy paste the tighter but he did it wrong the first time i was about to say i didn't realize i put it in the screen cap you guys can oh no i'm saying no oh no super solid or maybe he types in a certain way where is oh no you have to spell words correctly for your book chris but have you noticed the title is correct up the top yeah it is wrong twice leave him alone he just wants to make films okay type what he's writing a book can happen all right they can listen okay the the true take is we all do typos and we should all be made fun of when it happens that's how my book rags if you made a book and you made a typo i'd laugh at you but then i wouldn't consider you any less of a person i wouldn't be fucking i would commit sepuki i would be so ashamed i would commit suduki i would be so upset the thing is is typos typos do make their way in but two of the same one for the title of the movie the title of the film is a funny one i just think it's funny it's i love that it made it into that image even though i didn't intend for that at all he plays the super solid snake all right liquid or solid or gasser what did he mean chris evans played the powerful super solid from the comics shattering walls doorways and bones galore evans portrayal it's kind of weird to like present ah yeah captain america breaking bones it's like well i mean he's about meant to be presented as like some vicious like beating the shit out of people to a pulp you know it's captain america dude with that guy who he kicks uh off the boat that guy spine yeah that one brutal his spine is his spine is not not fine oh oh i've spotted something uh no i don't want to be the dick who points it out so someone else has got to do it okay is this another typo yes well so i'll read the sentence that i have noticed this i don't think it'll take you guys more in a second to spot it i was about to say evans is portrayal and the excellent script can you spot the problem come on i'm sliding give me a second now give me a fucking second here where where where where where super solid evans is portrayal and the excellent script where's the issue at least as far as i'm aware isn't it evans is yeah you don't put an ass after the apostrophe on a name that ends with that yes that one that one's actually like empowering that one's terrible that's really bad people at home can see when you do yeah evans is there shouldn't be an ass after the apostrophe that should be going yes and that's it that one's really bad there's another solida coming up but guys oh sweet no no no why is the winter soldier so horrifically risk-free there with the solida you see that yeah there it is i'm gonna leave without open actually okay can we officially then uh misname him cuckman what is he a cuck to spelling like punctuation uh the excellent script made captain america the most interesting avenger on the team okay i mean he's pretty good but i mean i am the most interesting i mean i that's an opinion that i'm fine with it that's a fine opinion that's a fine opinion might be in bamboozle here so there are a few people saying that it's acceptable to do the the apostrophe and then the s for a name that ends with an s i've always known it to be no additional ever known it to be that yeah you don't get to people's names yeah generally if you have a proper noun you don't want to add letters if you can avoid it is if the noun's plural or not so if the noun is plural and ends in s then you don't put an apostrophe after s if it would be like if it's multiple families of jacksons then it might do you might do that if it's if you're for yeah plural of a um capitalized or a proper noun that ends in s maybe like i have never known this but i've never known it just have a there's probably plenty of mistakes i would have missed because i'm no good with with england but uh this stuff like that i'm i raised questions a solider is easy for me to spot yeah especially three times in a row yeah what what i think is um everyone kind of has the little their own little quirks while typing because you know different keyboards different fingers that sort of thing um something that i do sometimes is the first two letters will be capitalized because i don't let off the shift yeah fast enough sometimes sometimes i've do that i've done that right and it's something i've kind of recognized and i watch out for um but maybe for him soldier is just one of those words where he hits the keys out of order yeah well i was going to say that i'm an anti-guide it's been too fast double checks these kind of things before you release a yeah the red because whenever i type writing is a good thing formal form sometimes i switch the uh the o and r because my fingers are competing with each other but yeah the point is you're supposed to find someone to prove this or even a machine should prove it right yeah just do you do spell check or whatever to keep making the same spelling mistake or yeah that's weird man three solid is just like an innocuous one i'm still stuck on the i'm stuck on the more than right apostrophe s i have never ever ever i didn't i've never ever ever ever heard of it of like doing me neither yeah we were always told if it's a yeah if it's a proper noun that ends in s then you just add the apostrophe like r a g s apostrophe if it's something that belongs to me so but it was r a g i don't know multiple apostrophes s that's true the more the merrier the more apostrophes the more only the more fun i have the more mistakes there are absolutely um i would need to read up on that shit because that's just not a thing and yeah like i said i've never known that rule but fair enough english is weird no just like the whole apostrophe with s yeah that's what i mean do that that's a funny one people sometimes make that error in speech sometimes like not written where it's just like chris evans is like they'll say that oh i see what you mean yeah like instead of saying chris evans the instead of chris evans yeah on the subject of marvel films nobody says marvel studios is they just say marvel studios but i'm pretty sure they marvel studios is already already a plural noun so it wouldn't be studios is whereas if it's singular i think it's permissible both ways in the case of evans is well but the singular marvel studios is the name like marvel studios so when they say there is a lot of videos but but they're doing the whole possessive it is marvel studios film right like that's the nature of the title be like you're about to watch marvel studios apostrophe like whatever the film is i'm pretty sure that's how they write it right i now i need to know that would be correct in that situation because the marvel studios is is a collective like plural noun for the group of studios under marvel so the apostrophe doesn't need an s after it because it's already lura i think i'm probably butchering this like i guess no what can shoot it's like plural of studios for a company like one company marvel studios is the company you know what i mean yeah i think fringy's trying to say like the company name is that and it's superseding any sense of it's a collective studios referral name it's just a company like it's strictly a company name it could it may not refer to anything other than the company not a selection of studios i guess kind of like how because again like insomniac games is marvel spider-man 2 like i imagine you don't duplicate the s if it's already there yeah fundamentally yeah i get what you're saying and the well this is the thing about english it creates complications when you have rules that have crossover the one that pissed me off as a kid and maybe really blackpilled me on english was um my dad told me i before he except have to see and then i encountered 17 different fucking exceptions i was like what the hell rule is this like what's the point doesn't help me at all it's more of a guideline than a rule no it's not it's not it's a it's really it's not something that i would ever tell anybody um because it's well it's weird uh to to say is a rule but yeah i i wouldn't i would just say just kind of you you'll learn over time you know you'll recognize which is which that one because i'm almost certain i'm dyslexic was a pain in the ass because i was like that one will help me because i can always rely on it and then i oh people can't tell me like you spell that wrong i was like but but i before you accept us and they're like no this is the one exception i was like one exception um man this is gonna drive me insane for the rest of the day this is gonna drive me mad i i don't know what to think anymore i feel like i've been i do feel like him because i've like i feel like now i'm just gonna have to read a bunch about like the use of apostrophes for s it's you've driven i think you're right yeah i it might be technically correct in some grammar book somewhere but i've always understood it the way that you understand it and i ain't fucking yeah that's why i highlighted it i thought that was definitively a mistake and when it's surrounded by soliders i was like well if you've got to be a mistake are there more are there are there more soldiers or soliders there's more soliders than soldiers oh no it's three soliders in a row chris no anyway let us continue no more man and i'm not doing this to make fun of him this is simply the next thing winter solider understood that cap's intense loyalty and unwillingness to betray his team traits most said made him a boring character with the qualities that made the event i'm sorry traits most said that made him a boring character he was awesome in adventures okay and in his own movie yeah and he said he was the most interesting so he only became the most interesting in this right didn't most people think captain america sucked was that a thing no i don't remember it i remember people liking the first captain movie people thought was lame yeah he got barely anything and then they overcompensate i remember that for sure but i thought most people picked between thor cap and iron man but the reality was it was really between cap and iron man and what's doubly strange about him saying that is that it implies that he thinks that captain america wasn't interesting until winter soldier because he said that he's the most interesting of the avengers now but now he's saying that he wasn't before so this is the movie that made him interesting the statements he's made here make it seem like he's the one he's the separate from the herd that that he the other people said that it made him boring but you know i don't know um with the qualities that made the avengers the best marvel film to that point wait i'm sorry let me read read this winter solider understood caps intense loyalty and unwillingness to betray his team traits the most said made him a boring character we're the qualities that made the avengers the best marvel film to that point oh i see that he's saying that other people are saying that that made him boring but that's not necessarily his perspective well there's also the other interesting comment that he's saying that what made the avengers the best marvel film at that point was caps loyalty and unwillingness to betray his unwillingness to betray his team when did that come up in avengers yeah um it's not like he was ever going to side with the team technically speaking you could argue he did betray his team but in a good way when he didn't sign up to the hydra weapons uh oh um yeah that he betrayed shield by looking into it when they obviously wanted to keep it secret and hang on a minute he does betray shield because they're hydra yeah um yeah exactly this isn't even accurate and also and also these weren't the qualities that made the avengers the best film as if they were like the defining reason why it was the best film there were other reasons why the avengers is the best marvel film oh way better reasons like the writing not cap was loyal you know well yes we covered a video that argued cap was the worst thing about avengers oh yeah that's true we'll see but chris disagrees with him because they're saying that those traits made him boring and that's not what that video said but they did think that he was not good so again in a sense he's on our team but also not uh to continue it turned these perfect american traits against cap forcing him to watch his once lauded stripes dragged through the mud i don't know about that uh well no because the whole thing with cap in winter soldier is that the world has changed in a way that makes it difficult for him to recognize yeah and i would say the film were wrong when he gets the outfit at the end that he's reinforcing that the values of america stand against hydra not that hydra put the trait into the mud that's not quite how i put it that's that's really weird it would be more so that he just he's he's forced to deal with questions that were not like back in world war two it was easier as like well yeah i mean hydra look at him like that they're super duper evil so obviously you got to stop them compared to the enemies existing within so yeah right yeah the the first movie was such a great setup for winter soldier because all of a sudden the enemies the line between the good guys and the bad guys is all of a sudden oh i hear cut i'll say i absolutely adore the arc they put him on of making him like the government boy and then he gradually becomes the rebel meanwhile yeah i am being the pure rebel the other direction yeah yeah that's really cool um though i will i have some appreciation for the fact that like shield was not set up to be infected by hydra until winter soldier that's something they uh yeah threw on they did that and that are cause problems and big problems for age of ultron yeah i would say that there's problems forever because the mcu has not had like an important military apparatus um your sword has not replaced shield at all sword is so confusing don't even know what they are really at all isn't it saber now as well saber is a space station sword is the organization oh you'd know that if you paid attention to the marvels but clearly you're not a fan the filmmakers famously approached the materials if they were helming a 1970 spy thriller rather than a big budget superhero extravaganza this unique angle elevated the material beyond a series of exciting set pieces oh as if that's not good enough i guess it's a series of exciting side pieces but that's it oh no sorry sorry sorry there's more there's more there's more oh my goodness for a second there i was worried you know i was like uh chris give me more give me it added a layer of political and social depth unseen in previous mcu films unseen calm down calm down iron man was what do you think iron man was a great movie yeah iron man is a great movie i feel like that's the thing that needs to be consistently reinforced iron man was great and really a lot of the other films in phase one at at the worst they were like fine um phase one is actually more consistent than any other phase that came since even phase like whatever i've had had a lot of fucking lives and phase two was bad in general except for guardians just remember like yeah how low stakes things were back then it was comprehensive oh god i miss it right here and this is so much yeah like because in phase one you have a lot of universe at stake it's just like the city it's like oh shit doesn't think instead of reducing the stakes they went further like multi-verse maybe quantum verse quantum verse if this stone doesn't get retrieved it'll be the end of multiple levels the god of stories needs to be cooperated now concept of logic will be torn asunder the concept of souls will be destroyed like oh no it doesn't steal or tighten whatever they call it sticking out of the earth right now and never mentioned it's never been mentioned again it's not true it's mentioned once in she-hold yeah she-hold has it as a little Easter inside nobody else has noticed it you know what that's why they did that to stop people from saying it's never been mentioned now people have to say it's never been addressed properly yeah can't say it's never been mentioned they got you there do you think it's the mullet verse the mullet verse where can i find this mullet verse yeah baby right next to one more words the final paragraph if one were to judge marvel's films solely based on their action sequences winter soldier is their best by far the highway assault sequence is viscerally thrilling notice the real fear on our heroes faces as they engage the bad guys never once do we feel these people are invincible notice the bullets don't hit cap's legs black widow as well didn't she get shot or stabbed through the stomach she got shot she got shot on her shoulder remember yeah so the issue there wasn't that she survived that hit it was that it takes ages for it to get medical attention remember she's just bleeding out as she's been captured the action in that movie does not hold up at all it's pretty bad and that's the thing right i love it in concept like the the nick fury shit where they try to take him out but he's a hell of a lot harder to beat than they thought but man what what they not only what they do to him should be more than enough but whenever he gets flipped and then he takes his lifesaver and escapes into the sewer question mark it takes the hole through like yeah and then winter soldier doesn't just go after him it's no he doesn't he leaves him go and then also another one that i've always found really funny when winter soldier catches the shield what if he just took it yep it was like mine now honestly it would be fucked yeah remember these they they explain to him all of the nature of the plan and then try to nuke him instead of just not explaining the plan and then you can and also if you watch the elevator fight you slow it down there's a lot of people just like not really doing anything there are there are bad guys there are bad guys grappling each other i don't know if the film knows whether everybody in the elevator is on count is against the college it's one of those it's one of those moments where it's like listen guys like we can't have him addressing all of you at the same time so you need to pretend as though he's he's hit you and you're like you guys are a little bit you need to you need to shake and and sort of be hunched over like oh jeez and then once you're straight anything i'll find you but it's gonna move by so fast we're gonna hope that nobody notices but i wouldn't deny it's the tone of the of the fights that i genuinely fucking miss from the mcu some of them are like remember when when fury gets shot you feel as a as a viewer like oh fuck is fury dead and at this point you wish that were true but no well a lot of it comes down to they act like they're in danger whereas now they're like making jokes like it's a fun meme as they're killing all of the bad guys but none of them are ever gonna get them it's like yeah this is kind of like a fun meme that we're having right now it's not like we're fighting for our lives or anything um and especially not taking it seriously when people are in danger because it is one of the biggest problems with a lot of these new superhero films and it's so funny because it's something that got figured out with the earliest superhero films that got made show the hero saving people you gotta show i'm saving people regular people yeah i remember one when he when he uses energy to save those people that are running into him yeah yeah yeah and the car then she runs him over she's panicked he's on a limited energy already but he takes a little bit of energy or probably a lot of energy there's a reason i don't know one is like a master class but it's not unique there's a lot of films that follow it sort of formula spiderman saves a bunch of people superman saves people there's probably a lot but now that is found in spider-man one ramy spider-man that matches iron man one that matches like even something like um a lot of the origin films yeah it's such a superman who'd be saving people you know superman of steel though well we uh me and mel rewatching um the running man there's a there's a very straight forward formula in film and it's just like fuck me when are they gonna get back to that running a formula i'm not gonna kill all these un unarmed civilians where you're on about yeah well no well a team of heroes enters the room with all the bad guys the first thing they say is get the people out get them out now it's like oh why'd you care just shoot them down whatever it is it's such an easy way to endure you to characters when they're trying to help civilians in danger um i mean it's even things like you're more gruff characters like john mclean would be trying to help people you know like in a situation or trying to trying to save them or get them out of harm's way it's such a basic thing and when you have stories that just like have wanton disregard for the lives of civilians it's really uncomfortable it's just weird and awkward and it just makes it harder to you gotta show hero saving yeah it's like why don't you gotta that casual intermittent reminder of oh yeah that's why i really like this exactly and that's why they're doing it in the first place they're not just here to kill people they're here trying to save people i mean again it's avengers avengers 2012 right that'd be a good example of how to point to your big action climax set in a city filled with civilians show cap fighting with aliens to try and save civilians like show what we're trying to save civilians show people saving civilians instead of having them fight in a big empty field where there's nobody around we talked about helms deep being possibly the best sort of fight sequence in film and part of it is the drinker said we're not recording a big part of it is understanding everything is very easy to follow what happens in helms deep and i would say the avengers new york battle is very much one of those as well that we have a character that relates to a particular sort of goal and each of them are given very strict orders and then we move from one to the other to the other to the other and we're keeping it going and they all follow a set of ups and downs uh that that to me is like once you've got that you'll be fine like you can't score below a fucking five if you've nailed that formula yeah like you've nailed your core so now it's about building on top of that and getting to greatness and beyond but as long as that's extraction you're fine both the extraction movies they do pretty darn good job with the action and stuff they just kind of need to you know tighten everything up around they go a little like when he when he's hand holding the minigun taking down the helicopter it's like oh we're delving a little into like absurdity now which is funny because you're like oh but it's okay in t2 we'll be like well he's a timid oh that would that would be another example of world right of like they strongly emphasize hey you know arnie you can't be shooting people all right yes that moves all the good guys we're the good guys so we don't do that we injure but we don't kill people um because it would be really awkward if fucking good guy around people why because you can't why why can't i because you just can't okay trust me on this and then he shoots the guy in the fucking kneecaps and he's like what are you doing so don't kill people he's like you'll live oh i fucking love it so good anyway oh he spells it right this time if one would to judge marvel's films solely based on their action sequences winter soldiers that i far their best the highway assault sequences viscerally thrilling notice the real fear on our hero's faces as they engage the bad guys never once do we feel these people are invincible capable of surviving anything and that's a heck of a trick for a superhero film that's a good trick honestly that had slightly more substance than the other ones yeah that's great yeah there was something there good emphasis on slightly it seems out of place it's almost a five minute review good job what do you have to chris what's going on here christ of uh anyway uh we got two remaining so uh i'll let jon go first what what's uh what's your choice oh wait before we before you do anything oh you're gonna you're gonna check out yeah i'm gonna hop i figured you wanted to stay for the incredible stucmanization but maybe you've overloaded on him like i'll watch the vod later well hey thank you so much for joining us and uh because it won't be there on the night itself happy new year because you're gonna yeah yeah thank you for having me absolutely new year to you guys to the bit yeah that's later i'm here bye goodbye all right jon what have you got which one i would like to hear chris's input on american psycho oh which which is a favorite of mine and a little bit of memes that have a research this year yes let's psycho the american psycho american psycho is the kind of movie that i would expect him to put on here and not say anything about and you'd be like well there's all of them i'm like no no no this one specifically though this is one's one extra nothing yeah well i'm very curious what chris would say about this because i think it's christian bail is playing a particularly complex character in this movie well i'll tell you this um this is the longest i think of all the ones so far oh my god really okay paragraphs oh yeah because like you could say he's somebody who's warped by his upbringing or corporatism or capitalism or whatever but he's playing a very strange character in this movie and also um for how deranged and sort of male centric the movie is it was directed by a woman mary heron you mean mary sue but i think most people think that this movie was must have been directed by a man but it wasn't and i'm curious if chris sever brings this up in his review all right so yeah please let's hear it here we go american psycho quick facts director mary heron starring christian bale jared leto Reese Witherspoon studio edward r pressman productions so this is how it begins all serial killers hollywood seems obsessed with the sub genre films like 1995 seven explore violent crimes through the eyes of the detectives attempting to solve them american psycho provides a refreshing change of pace by placing us in the expensive shoes of patrick bateman a slick-haired high-powered businessman played to sarcastic brilliance by christian bale he's the type who sarcastic brilliance sarcastic brilliance sarcastic brilliance sarcastic brilliance anyway yeah we don't even need to explore that that's true he's the type who arrogantly flies into a fit of envy at the site of an associate's extravagant business card quote look at that subtle off-white coloring the tasteful thickness of it oh my god it even has a watermark end quote a watermark his business card may be lacking but bateman seems to have it all riches status women unfortunately despite his money and position in life he can't seem to stop murdering people they can't seem to stop murdering people it's relatable this is pretty normal so far i don't know what to say really it's eleven the power of american psycho lies in the mystery surrounding bateman's horrific acts of violence are his crimes real or is the whole ordeal some terrifying lucid dream existing only in his mind the film traverses his mental anguish in a way i find most remarkable and it does so with an impressively wicked sense of humor few films can get a laugh out of a bloodied naked man chasing a woman with a chainsaw or how about bateman's compulsion for quoting 80s pop music quote do you like phil Collins end quote we're almost to the end but uh this this is probably the most normal review of a film he's ever written american psycho is shot with meticulous attention to detail nearly every frame contains something visually arresting in fact i think many people overlook the immaculate cinematography when remembering this film but i can't really blame anyone for that since the dialogue and performances are both so infecciously endearing factor in the biting satire of 80s culture along with two great supporting turns from Jared Leto and Reese Witherspoon and you really have no excuse to miss it unless of course you have to return some videotapes and that's it fuck off i was gonna say this feels like a he he sort of what it presents itself as as opposed to everything it's about i thought that was the mcdonald's happy meal review the happy meal review is a great way to put it because i haven't seen it moving a long time that's basically everything i remembered of it i'm just like i'm gonna re-watch it now to actually remember what's actually this is the review you give when you've got nothing to say about the film yeah which is in line with everything there's no depth to it there's absolutely no insight as to what might be at the very least might be driving this character there's nothing these quotes are the subtle off-white coloring quote which is like the meme that's like the memius meme from the film is like of course he quoted that that's the most normal thing you could do these um these reviews to me they feel like what you could pressure some random passerby into giving you on the street you know it doesn't that none of these feel like they come from a professional veteran movie critic no that's when you walk through the city and someone starts telling you about americans yeah it's like hey have you heard about american psycho or you know you're standing in line to get movie tickets and the guy it's behind you is like oh lunch or a slow have you seen american psycho yeah it's like a really bad football is what it is it's just yeah exactly as best you can you read the spark notes and you're trying to present like and you use words like oh yeah it was brilliant it was inspired it was truly uh or inspiring and terrifying and riveting and you just throw those words in there between just regular factoids and things that you skimmed or breeze possums like yeah there you go you done it you've presented me with the most basic surface level interpretation of that film dude i was literally thinking of like that simpsons where bart simpsons doing a book report on the treasure island he's like this book was brought to you by the fine people at mcgroth come on dude like you're just mentioning scenes like you know remember that scene where he has the chainsaw and he cuts people up and it's just like oh you mentioned the gory scene in the movie that means you really know this movie inside and out like he was too busy playing dash dingo to write his book review dash didn't go pretty fucking good though i don't know how many people um someone said he didn't nunchucks pretty great the someone in chat said casually he didn't write this though and i'm just i don't know if that's said as like an insult or whatever because it says bristuckman author i can't see any other indication that this was written by anybody but what a weird book to write imagine if you did make it so that these were your recommendations but someone else fills in the reason to see them but i think i think he wrote it i don't have i don't see anyone can tell the difference i will say this is absolutely in line with everything i'd expect him to write exactly exactly yeah oh yeah i just you figured that again you would have weight you would be like annoyed by the limitations of like prince as a medium of trying to talk about 50 films that you love you know and the limitations of how big your book could even be to be distributed that would be confining you rather than oh yeah we're just you know like a couple you know 100 pages to talk about like 50 movies where each each movie gets one and a half pages like damn yeah yeah i want to you know you can talk about any of these movies for like you know an hour easily more than oh well it's us to be fair normal people can talk about these movies for 10 minutes easily let's put it that way talk about a 10 minutes half an hour you know well part of the issue i would say is that it's not even that he talks about them for a minute is he doesn't talk about them no he'll he'll lay out like kind of normal factoids he'll uh i mean even even with a minute you could go into some depth but he just doesn't like it's what makes it a kind of sub book report at least like every book report i ever had to write