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In this spontaneous and unrehearsed discussion, the opinions are necessarily those of the speakers. Congressman, many of our listeners will remember you for your splendid stories and articles and readers' digest. I believe you are, you're from the Missouri Ozarks, aren't you? That's right, Mr. Huey. I live in Springfield, Missouri, and that's right in the middle of the Ozarks.  Yes, believe it or not, I'm a Republican, but a progressive Republican. I see. Tonight, sir, we are and our listeners will be most interested in what you're doing in Congress, your efforts to free the splendid American journalist, Bill Otis. Now, how did you come to champion Mr. Otis? Well, Mr. Huey, being a journalist myself, a former newspaper man and magazine writer, I was attracted to the idea that something should be done when the Communist regime of Czechoslovakia imprisoned this man simply because as we felt that he was going about his duty. So I introduced an amendment to a resolution in Congress which called upon our government to cut off trade relations with the Communist regime of Czechoslovakia unless he is freed. You are, of course, convinced of that Otis is innocent of all the charges that have been made against him. Oh, yes, indeed. And I'm sure my colleagues in Congress agree on that. And what steps have now been taken to free Mr. Otis? Well, Mr. Huey, the resolution which was passed by Congress calls upon our government to break trade relations with Czechoslovakia unless Mr. Otis is freed. Now, that resolution was passed, I believe, Dr. Papenek, you recall the date, the passage of that resolution. It was in August 24th, if I'm not mistaken. Well, at any rate, Dr., since that time considerable pressure has been put on the Czechoslovakian government, as you know, to free this American newspaper correspondent. But unsuccessfully, now we think it is time to put in, put all the pressure that we can to get him freed. What particular steps have been taken prior to your action, sir? Prior to the action of Congress on my resolution, the President, the Secretary of State, and others in the executive departments had made some moves to free Mr. Otis. Those moves were, for the most part, diplomatic. We felt, or at least a great many of us in Congress, felt that they were just slaps on the wrist. They were not strong enough. And therefore we went ahead with this resolution. Now at the present time, I have introduced a new resolution which would make the breaking off of trade relations with Czechoslovakia mandatory. In other words, they would be broken off by congressional action. Now there have been some other moves made, for example, prohibiting the airplane traffic from Prague, the capital of Czechoslovakia, and other points in that country from flying across the occupied zones of Germany. This, I think, is hurting them. At least I think it is. What do you think, Dr.? Definitely it is hurting them because the direct connections with the West that are very important by air are cut off. Is it costing them money? Costing them money, very definitely, and they cannot contact the West the same way as they could, because most of the other lines, Americans and others stopped their flights to Czechoslovakia, too. Now why was Otis seized in the first place? Was he seized as a hostage? In my opinion, just the purpose was to have him as a hostage for future purposes. And some of those purposes, what did they want from us? What did they want to trade Otis for? One of the reasons that they were complaining and are still complaining of the broadcasts, of the voice of America, and the new broadcasts that are developing from Munich directed to Czechoslovakia. And they say Otis is to intimidate us. Intimidate, and perhaps to free him if these broadcasts would be stopped. Congressman Abstow, could I ask you whether your resolution, especially the second one as it is proposed, is or will be a part of a general policy of the United States or whether it is intended just for the purpose of helping to free Mr. Otis? Well, Dr. Popinek, while the resolution is directed at this specific case of freeing this American citizen and correspondent, it is the sentiment of my colleagues in Congress, I am sure, that this be a test case and that it set a precedent and that wherever in any of the Iron Curtain countries under the domination of the Soviet Union, free citizens are imprisoned unjustly, that in the future the red regime of that government will be given notice that we are going to take every step possible to protect them. I hope that the resolution when adopted will cover every case and that there would not be any exceptions. Well, that's exactly what we hope it will do. The resolution, as you understand, calls for the cutting off of exports from this country, from the United States to your fatherland, to Czechoslovakia by action of the Commerce Department. In other words, the cutting off of all permits to export goods from this country. Likewise, the Treasury Department, which has charge of imports from Czechoslovakia to this country would prohibit any transactions that would permit trade from Czechoslovakia to the United States. So it would be a complete blockade of trade either way. This policy, when developed, will affect tremendously the people of Czechoslovakia whose morale will be strengthened to resist the communist regime. Is there a strong resistance in Czechoslovakia now, doctor? Definitely there is. I would say that over 90% of the people oppose the regime. But the real fact that jails are full, that there are executions practically every week that the forced labor camps are full of about 300,000 people prove that there is a resistance. I'm glad to hear your explanation of that, doctor, because we in Congress and certainly the American people do not want to penalize the people of Czechoslovakia. We feel that they are the victims of communist aggression. However, we feel that if this step is taken and those people of the resistance of the underground, the anti-communist forces in Czechoslovakia, they will be willing to make whatever sacrifices needed in order to strike directly at the communist regime. They will be happy to do so and they know also that the economic relations, trade relations during the last months or last two years that have developed really supported the Soviet military to build up because Czechoslovakia imported only raw materials. Now, Congressman, after all, Bill Otis is an individual and what I'm interested in is whether this is going to be effective in getting the man out. Now, when do you think Otis will be released? Well, Mr. that is the $64 question so far as Mr. Otis himself is concerned. And as you say, he is a human and we want to free him. We do not want, of course. Would you care to predict just how long he will be in prison? When do you think he will be released? Mr. Huey, I believe when this blockade becomes effective I believe that he will be freed within a few weeks. Within three or four weeks from now then you think there's a good chance that Bill Otis will be free. I think there is a good chance that he will be free. However I think that he will be freed when Moscow tells the Red Brigade that Czechoslovakia to free him. Well, thank you so much for being with us, Congressman. The editorial board for this edition of the Laun Jean Chronoscope was Dr. Jan Papunek and Mr. William Bradford Huey. Our distinguished guest was the Honorable O.K. Armstrong, Congressman from Missouri. One of the most interesting monuments in New York is in Herald Square. It's a replica of the clock of medieval days which was simply a striking mechanism. 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The FW Fitch Company presents Dick Powell as Private Detective Richard Rogue in Rogue's gallery. This chiseler's got you all fouled up in a murder, baby. You'll fry for it. Senior Rogue, I don't know anything about a murder. Tiffy killed him. He killed Maxon. Conchita knows nothing about it. Stop being chumps, will you? You're both in this with me. You help me frame Rogue for it. With Maxon gone, I'm the biggest operator in town. All we have to do is kill Rogue and we got the world by the tail. You'll all go to the chair for it. You can't get away with killing me.  If you've got anything to say, say it, because here it comes, fall guy! Rogue speaking. This afternoon, I found a little case in my crime gallery that brought back memories. You just heard a little of it. Enough to know that I was framed for murder. I called the story Little Old Lady and I'll tell you all about it in just a minute. 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Ask for either Fitch's brush or no-brush shaving cream. But for a solid comfort shave, be sure it's Fitch, spelled F-I-T-C-H. Thank you, Jim, and now I'd like to go on with my story. Okay, here's Dick Powell as Private Detective Richard Rogue in another personally conducted tour through Rogue's Gallery. I was looking at the world through azure-colored glasses that afternoon. I was as low as a centipede's hangnail and just about as irritated. A couple of lush cases I'd been working on had blown up without paying off, and the girl I was madly in love with that week was madly in love with some other guy. I needed some money, I needed a vacation, and I needed a new love interest. When the door to my office opened and then walked a Latin-type panic who made my heart beat in a rumber rhythm that would have made Cougar sound like Spike-Jones. I just sat there trading my blue thoughts in on a lot of purple ones whilst he closed the door behind her and walked toward me. You are Richard Rogue, the detective? The celebrated detective, yes. What can I do for you? I need your help, Senior Rogue. Okay, what's your name? Conchito Morales. Oh, the singer, huh? That's right. I'm in troubles in your Rogue. You know, I sort of suspected that was why you came to see me. What's your difficulty? Well, it's hard to explain, but there is a man in this town who is threatening me. Well, that's not hard to explain. You're the sort of girl who is liable to be threatened. What do you mean by that, Senior Rogue? Well, that you are beautiful and extremely desirable, and... Well, pardon me, Miss Morales. I shouldn't have said that. I'm just in a kind of an impolite mood today, I guess. Then you don't really think I am beautiful or desirable? Hmm, don't let that glassy look in my eyes fool, you can see, huh? I can see and what I see pleases me if you go for understatements. Then you will help me. You know, beauty is a wonderful thing, Mexican type, but so is money. My time's for sale. I have money. I will give you $250 if you will help me. What do you want me to do? I want you to get some letters back for me. Oh, why? Because I write them when I'm very young and foolish to a man I think I love. I do not love him. I hate him. I want to marry someone else, that man I love, but I cannot because of these letters. Oh, here, here, slow it down to a gallop conchita. I'm getting a little confused. Who has the letters? Frank Maxon is his name. He's no good. He is a...  And who is this man you love at the moment? Di Piter. We will be married soon. Oh, you will be married soon. Well, in that case, let's make this strictly business. What do you want me to do? I'm having dinner with Frank tonight at the Club Coupa. I want you to meet us there. I want you to tell him he must give me back my letters. If he knows that I have employed you to help me, he will give them up. He is without courage. Don't see how I ever think I was in love with him. Frank is considered quite a ladies man, or was, before you went up on that income tax wrap a couple years ago. I understand the boys in his mob are giving him a little trouble since he got out. Where's that 250 you mentioned a while ago? It is here. Just a moment. That's a retainer. If the case gets tough, it's going to cost you plenty more conchita. You know that? I do not care. I must have these letters. Here. It's $250. Thank you. And now, what time do I meet you at the Club Coupa? I'm here at nine. And I'm warning you, Mr. Rogue. Come prepared for trouble. Oh, hello, Senior Rogue. You are late. Sorry, I was hullab and traffic. Oh, hello, Frank. Well, what are you doing here, Rogue? Conchita invited me. Sit down, please. Thank you. What is this surprise party on me, Conchita? Mr. Rogue is working for me, Frank. Yep. I came down to help Conchita recover some letters from you. How about it? Nice of you to be interested, Rogue. But Conchita and I can take care of our own affairs without any outside assistance. Goodbye, Rogue. No, I like it here. Where are the letters, Frank? You bore me, Mr. Rogue. I wish you'd leave. I can give them to you, Richard Rogue. I want those letters, Frank. You ever hear of blackmail? I'm not blackmailing anybody. Those letters are mine. They came to me through the mail. If I want to keep them, I will. But you're threatening me with them. That is illegal, isn't it, Mr. Rogue? Sure. It's especially illegal for a guy who's out on parole. Who's going to call the cops in on this deal? You, Conchita? Mr. Rogue will handle it for me. Look, sweetheart, it's no go. See? You and I just have to work this out our own way. Hit him, Mr. Rogue. Kill him! No, no, no. Now there are ways of handling petty larceny pasties or pasties like Frank that you never heard of, Conchita. Look, Frank, you know you've got two strikes against you.  Richard is mine and she's going to stay that way, Rogue. She's not getting away from me with your help or any other way. I've asked you two or three times to get out of here, Rogue. Are you leaving? No. I'm sorry about this. I always liked you, Rogue. Oh, Smitty. Yes, Mr. Maxon? Will you ask the boys to throw Mr. Rogue out, please?  We'll see. Throw them out, boys. It occurred to me as I hit the sidewalk with the back of my head, among other things, that Frank owned a piece of the club cuba and that it was a bad place to start a beef with him. I got up piece by piece, counted my arms and legs and waited a while for Conchita to come out. She didn't. So I felt in my pocket for that 250. It was there. I went home. The next morning I went to the office and tried all four noon to get in touch with my Latin type client at her swank apartment hotel. The Mayflower couldn't locate her. I had a late lunch and when I got back to the office at about three, there was a little old lady waiting there for me. A lovely little old lady with rosy cheeks and twinkling eyes with a lot of laugh crinkles in the corners of them. Mr. Rogue? That's right. You waiting to see me? Yes, I was. I've been waiting for quite a while, Mr. Rogue. I just had to see you. Oh, have a chair. Don't tell me you're in trouble. No. Oh, yes, Mr. Rogue, I am. I'm in trouble because my son is... Oh, tell me about it. Well, there isn't really very much to tell, Mr. Rogue. I know so little about what Norman has been doing. He's always been a little wild, but a few weeks ago he quit his job and he's had much more money than he ever had before. I know that he's been doing something wrong, Mr. Rogue. Well, now, Mrs... Mrs. Stam. Mrs. Stam, have you tried talking with him?  No. Last night he came home for the first time in ten days. Oh, I've just been worried to death about him and when he came in last night he was so pale and I tried to talk with him but he went right to his room. Yeah? He called me after a while and I went in to see him and, oh, Mr. Rogue, he had been shot through the shoulder. He was bleeding badly. Oh, I see. I asked him to let me call a doctor and he wouldn't. I know that he'd been shot while he was breaking some law. I took care of him as well as I could and I think he's going to be all right. I want you to come and talk with Norman tonight, Mr. Rogue. Well, Mrs. Stam, I'm working on another case right now. Oh, if you'd just come out and talk with him, you could advise him what to do. He won't pay any attention to me and I have to get him straightened out, Mr. Rogue. I have a little money and... Uh, where do you live? In the southwest part of town at 2673 Spring Lane. Would you come out with me and talk with Norman? I'll pay you for your time, Mr. Rogue. Um, I'll go with you, Mrs. Stam. Oh, thank you. Oh, that's perfect. All right. But please don't plan on me performing any miracles. If your son was shot during a robbery, he's going to have to go to jail. You know that, don't you? Oh, yes, I know. I only want him to do what's right, Mr. Rogue. I don't want him to do anything foolish. No, of course you don't. You have a car? No, I... Well, we'll take mine. Come on. Well, you certainly have plenty of privacy out here, Mrs. Stam. Yes, it's lonesome. But my husband bought it many years ago. He thought then that it would build up out here, but it hasn't. Did your son know you were coming in to see me? Oh, no. I didn't tell him. He's right here in the front bedroom, Mr. Rogue. Please try to understand, Norman, Mr. Rogue. He's a very sensitive boy. Oh, all right. I'll take it easy with him. There was the bed with blood on the sheets where a man's shoulder would have been lying. There was no note. No sign of the wounded boy I'd made the trip to see. A little old lady was almost hysterical. I finally got her calm down. She made some tea, offered me a cup. I should never have gone away and left him. I should have known better. He was frightened, Mr. Rogue. No, no. Drink your tea, Mrs. Stam. Don't cry. Don't worry. I'll take care of everything for you. We'll find him. You will help me, won't you, Mr. Rogue? Of course. Please drink your tea. Don't you like it? I love it, yes. Well, it is a little bitter. It's a special kind. My oldest boy sent me from China. I'll let it... Oh, I'm feeling a little woozy. You are? Well, that's right. That's the way it should be. I... You... you're poison! That's right, Mr. Rogue. I did. My body dissolved before it hit the floor, and a warm breeze wafted me upwards, gently. Like a spark out of a chimney. I was drowsy and happy when I hit cloud number eight. I was at peace with the world, until I heard that nail-file laugh of my alter-you-gore. Didn't she?  Let me sleep, Medjit. Don't you think you better get downstairs and see what's going on? Why? Oh, there must be some reason why Mrs. Stam, if that's her name, gave you those knockout drops. Why do you suppose she did it, Pest? Oh, I'll bet that conchita dame fits in here someplace. Okay, don't push you, Gore. You're my friend. Go in? Cut it out. Oh, here I go again. My gun was gone. I look for my money. It was still there. I looked at my watch. It was 9.30. I drove to my office, opened the door, and stopped dead in my tracks. There was a dead man lying there in the middle of the floor. He'd been shot at close range through the head. My gun was lying a foot from the body. The gun that had been stolen from me while I was knocked out. I closed the door and leaned up against the wall to think. I was still leaning there when the door opened. Hello, Rogue? Who's your friend? Oh, hello. Hello, Lieutenant Urban. What are you doing here? I got a call telling me you just killed a man. Yeah? Well, that's Frank Maxson, that defunct character there. Your gun? Yeah. 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Fitch's saponified coconut oil shampoo, 6 full ounces, 50 cents. Now back to Rogue's Gallery. Dick Powell, as Richard Rogue is telling our story. What started out to be a very quiet day brought Conchita Morales, the Mexican singer, to my office. She wanted to get some letters back from a Frank Maxon. I went with her to meet Maxon in a café, and we had a brawl in front of plenty of witnesses. After I made a few threats, I got thrown out. Next morning, I tried to find Conchita and couldn't. That afternoon, a little old lady came to my office, told me her son Norman Stam had been wounded in a hold-up. And I went with her to her home. When we got there, her son was gone. I drank a cup of tea, which was sweetened with knockout drops, and, oh, I woke up in my car, drove to my office and walked in to find Maxon, the man I'd threatened, shot to death with my gun. While I was standing there wondering what to do next, Lieutenant Urban of Homicide walked in. Looks like we're going to have to hold you, Rogue, for murder. Oh, I didn't kill him.  Plenty of people heard you. Where do you get all your information? The little bird that told me he was dead. But you'd killed him. But I just got here. I've been gone since about 3.30 this afternoon. Maxon looks like he's been dead since about 7. Where were you at 7? An old lady came in here this afternoon to see him in. I went out to her home with her. You mean you've got an alibi? I don't know. What do you mean you don't know? He either got one or you haven't. Well, I went out to see this woman's son. He wasn't there when we got there.  Look, Rogue, somebody phoned Maxon at 6 o'clock and told him to be here at your office at 7. How do you know so much? We've been on the case since 7.30, Rogue. Looks like he went a little too far this time. Look, Urban, look, Urban, I was doped. I've been out of the picture since about 5.30. And while I was out, somebody lifted my gun. Rogue, just put yourself in my place.  Shot with your gun. Then instead of an alibi, you give me a fairy story about wicked old witches and knockout drops. Where does this old lady live? This one that kidnapped you out southwest on Spring Lane? Let's go out and talk to Urban. Okay? Okay, Rogue. We'll just ride in the squad car. Just in case, eh? No lights on. There's nobody home. I think we'll go in, Rogue. As long as you say there's a wounded man in here, I don't have to have a warrant. Try the door. Well, it's unlocked. Come on. Turn on the lights. Well, they don't go on. You got your flashlight? Yeah. Look, Rogue, the furniture's all covered. Hmm. There's nobody living in this house. Uh, Urban, come up this way. Let's look in this bedroom. Are you sure you're all right, Rogue? Sure. Come on, over here. Well, there's not even any furniture in this room. That's right. But there was a bed with bloodstained sheets. I'm sorry, Rogue. They seem to have disappeared with the old lady and your alibi. This house hasn't been lived in for months.   Yeah, but there are no fingerprints on that gun but yours, Rogue. And he was killed in your office, and you don't have an alibi. What am I supposed to do? I'm a cop. I've got to believe the evidence. Oh, sure, I can see it that way. Well, I... I've been framed by an expert. Have any ideas? Some vague ones. Well, I'm gonna pull up here and get some cigars in that cigar store. If you're not here when I get back, I'll expect your headquarters in an hour. Thanks, Urban. Good luck, Rogue. Oh, hello, Murphy. How's my favorite house detective? Oh, hello, Rogue. What are you doing here at the Mayflower, huh? I want to talk with one of your guests, Flatfoot. Do you owe me any favors? Maybe. What do you want me to do? Give me the pass key to Conchita Morales' apartment. You want me walking the streets? Ah, now just give me the pass key.  What's the deal, Rogue? A little murder. Is she in? Do you know? Conchita isn't in. The old lady is up there, though. The old lady? Look, Murphy, what old lady? I'm looking for an old lady. Oh, you mean Conchita's mother. Conchita's mother? Hey. A little old lady about this high. Eyes with lots of laughs in them. White hair, plump. That Conchita's mother? Sure it is. Her name's Shea. So is Conchita's. Her real name's Ellen Shea. She's no Mexican, damn. No kidding. Give me your rod and a pass key. No, don't get up. Please, Mrs. Shea. Just keep your seat. Oh, Mr. Rogue. Yeah. Surprised to see me? Yes, I am. I can understand that, Mrs. Shea. You figured me for a murder app, didn't you? Please don't point that gun at me. For some reason or the other, Mrs. Shea, I don't trust you. Oh, where's Conchita? Or whatever your daughter's name is. That Latin from Manhattan. That phony Mexican. I won't have you talking that way about my daughter. What do you expect me to call her? After the tour, you frame me for murder. Murder? Who said that before? What do you mean? Are you going to drop that act, murder, I said? Murder's what you frame me for. Now sit down. Where's Conchita? I'm expecting her any moment. Drop that gun, Rogue. Oh, tippy, where have you been? I've been waiting for you to come in. He keeps talking about a murder. Drop that gun, Rogue. Why should I drop the gun? Because if you don't, I'm going to pull the trigger on this one. And it's resting at the back of your neck. Come on, drop it. Where did you come from? I was in the kitchen mixing myself a drink, fortunately. Tippy Tyler, huh? I suppose you're the man Conchita's in love with at the moment. That's right. They're going to be married, Mr. Rogue. In the death house, I hope. It's wishful thinking, Rogue. The two of you killed Frank Maxon, didn't you? You killed him? Killed Mr. Maxon? No, no, Rogue. You did. According to the cops and all the evidence.  Mm-hmm. He kind of took over while he was gone. Go on, talk, Rogue. I'm just figuring out what I'm going to do with you. Oh, Conchita. Hello, Mama. What are you doing here, Senior Rogue? He's making things difficult, Angel. I just dropped in for a little chat about a house out on Spring Lane and a wounded man who wasn't there and a murdered man in my office. That's all. It was a very nice job of framing me, Conchita, Ella and Shay. And you can drop that broken-down accent. Okay, Mr. Rogue, smart guy. What happened? Who was murdered? You ought to know. You helped the planet. I did not. I don't know what you're talking about. I've been arranging things for us, Conchita. Frank Maxon is dead. Your mother helped her arrange it. I didn't know what I was doing, Conchita. Honest, I didn't know. That's a lie, and you know it. You're too far to get out in the arms.  There's too much talk going on in here. Maxon's daddy was found dead in Rogue's office shot with Rogue's gun. Rogue's as good as burned for you.  No, I didn't, Conchita.  It was our chance to get rid of him. Conchita, listen to me. This chiseler's got you all fall up in a murder, baby. You'll fry for it. I don't know anything about a murder. He killed him. He killed Maxon. My Conchita knows nothing about it. Stop being chumps, will you? You're both in this with me. You helped me frame Rogue for it. Maxon gun, I'm the biggest operator in town. All we have to do is kill Rogue, and we've got the world by the tail. You'll all go to the chair for it. You can't get away with killing me.  If you've got anything to say, say it. Because here it comes, fall guy. The little old lady picked up my gun and let Tippi have it right between the eyes. He never knew what hit him.  Tippi owned that house. She took me, too. He framed it with the old lady to get me out of the way, giving her some cock-and-bowl story about wanting to search my apartment. She pleaded guilty to giving me the knockout drops, but denied knowing that he was framing me for murder. And as long as she saved my life and gave me an alibi for the time of the murder, I believed her. The judge let her off with a suspended sentence at my request. Conchita was... Conchita was very grateful to me. And when Conchita, she was grateful, oh, the angel she shamed. Oh, brother. Mr. Dick Polligan, ladies and gentlemen, don't I meet some lovely people in these stories? They love murder like Richard Rogue loves money, and it makes a very happy combination. Ray Buffum wrote the story, and then composed and conducted the music in D. Engelbach produced and directed. But don't forget, you've got a date with us all next Thursday night. We've got a story for you about blackmail, intrigue, and sudden death. We call it Eve and the Apple. So make a date with us, will you? Thanks for listening. Good night, all. Now here's Jim Doyle. Don't forget to tune in again next Thursday, same time. 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Hello and welcome to NewsClick. The cross-firing in the border region in Jammu and Kashmir has claimed many lives on both sides of the border. There is an ongoing crisis and a ceasefire was announced. To discuss all these issues, we are joined by Gautam Navalakha, an eminent human rights activist who is also associated with Pew D.I. Welcome to NewsClick, Gautam. Thank you, Pranjeet. There has been massive cross-firing that has been taking place when it comes to the border in Jammu and Kashmir. How many civilians have lost their lives? A ceasefire was announced in the month of Ramzan when it comes to the Indian site, but it hasn't yielded any results. What do you have to say on that? Well, if you go back to the history of ceasefire violations in recent times and see how they have held or they have broken down, two things emerge. August-September 2015, ceasefire violations used to take place, but there were violations then things would subside and there was not necessarily retaliatory firing so that the things would not escalate. What happened after August-September 2015 is that the Nareen Modi government decided gave a free hand to the forces deployed on the border to do as they please virtually, which meant that for instance in the international border where the border security force is deployed, they were firing thousand shells every night after that. And this is the same thing happened along the LOC which is guarded by the Indian Army. So once you escalate, then it's bound to, unless the other side completely capitalates which it is not going to happen on the Pakistani side, it was matched and this has been going on. So you will see a certain periods where there are heavy firing including the most disturbing is the use of heavy artillery against each other's positions and which kills and causes damage to civilian property and life far greater than anything else. So why is the ceasefire not holding or why is it they are not able to bring it down? Very recently when the two sides agreed not to fire and not to escalate, the same day a video of border security force destroying some Pakistani bunkers were leaked to the Indian media and Indian media played it up to make it appear as though Pakistan had buckled down under Indian firing. Now this was like a provocative act and the very next day there was an escalation of firing from the other side. Now this is something that also contributes a great deal to escalating tensions on the border. Now for instance the border security force and the Pakistan ranges have agreed that they would not retaliate immediately. So for the last few days you have seen that the international part of the border at least has fallen silent which is from where maximum number of people have been displaced nearly up to 80 to 90,000 people have been displaced from these border villages and it would be the same on the other side of Pakistani civilians being displaced also. So unless the government of India is clear about what it wants and whether it is going to carry on with its so-called muscular policy vis-a-vis Pakistan, well this is what we will have to live with under Ridd Modi's administration. Interestingly in the Hindu today an article was published which says that Rajnath Singh is saying that we should have a dialogue not only with the forces I mean the separatist forces in Kashmir but also with Pakistan and the step was also taken when interlocutor was appointed but it did not yield any result. So do you think do you see it as a development? Pranjal in the first place Rajnath Singh presided was chairing a meeting which was called by the Intelligence Bureau a two-day conference on national security a strategic conference. By and large everybody supported two things one talks with Hurriyat and the second that we must resume dialogue with Pakistan that is the only way in which now whether the government would heed their advice is something that we still have to wait and see. Reading the newspapers very carefully and reading between the line it is the IB which has been coming out with stories which is pointing out that the matter is far more serious than it is made it up made out by the BJP ministers the Indian Army and others that the kind of commitment and militancy that the local population is exhibiting today shows that they are not going to back down and the IB according to one of the reports pointedly referred to the fact there is Hezboll Maajai the Incaders militants refused to even surrendered even when they are surrounded by the forces and they know they are going to die when the families talk to them at that moment they show no sign of buckling under or succumbing to emotional pressure and things like that. As the government of India has traditionally and security agency and opinion makers periodically and actually not periodically engage in this systematically which is to present it at Pakistan inspired everything it is a problem that has primarily been caused by successive Indian governments and it is an indigenous response that we have addressed. So the significant part of this view that was expressed at this conference is that on both grounds where the BJP and the RSS has stuck to a line taking hard line that we won't talk to Pakistan unless they withdraw support from so called terrorism and that there is no question of talking to Hurriath and they just have to give up and surrender and join the mainstream that is the standard line that the BJP has been peddling it is in contrast to that and it shows that within the establishment there are views that are contrary to governments own make-believe world which they live in. Indian army's perception of its capacity to bring this militancy to a halt because as the IB has also pointed out that for each militant that who have been killed there have been many more recruits for each one there are more than one or two or three recruits ready to join the militant ranks. The situation on the ground is very different and I think it is this which has driven the government to decide but the immediate factor that I think that makes it slightly doubtful as to how serious the government is about this ceasefire is evident from one fact. IB's report specifically refers to the fact that in order to ensure a safe Amanath Yatra this year it is very important that the Ramzan truce that has been announced is extended. Now if the main objective of the government of India at this juncture is to ensure that Ramzan truce and Amanath Yatra passes peacefully and nothing beyond then then this whole exercise will reveal itself will be nothing but what should I say a sham. The same Hindu report talks about growing threat of communism in the Jammu region. We have seen what has happened during the Kathuare incident and how Hindu Ekta Manj one of the right wing outfits took out Tirangayatra, the BJP Congress all these leaders participated in that rally and there is this strong assertion of Hindutva going on. Do you think the IB talks about that as well? Do you think that can be a point where the government actually needs to take this issue up? Well how seriously this government will take it remains to be seen. Especially when they are being backed by the RSS. When this government is actually backed by the RSS and it's an RSS government because it's made up of Pracharaks but that apart the interesting thing is it's Kathua and the horrible barbaric nature of that crime that has compelled the IB for the first time to take note of communism in Jammu and Kashmir and referring to Jammu in particular. The unfortunate part of it is that none of the governments have ever taken seriously the role of Hindutva elements in initiating the climate in Jammu and Kashmir. This history is very long it goes back to 1950 Shama Prasad Mukherjee's agitation for merger of Jammu and Kashmir to all the way down. It's nothing that is very different from it there is a long history of it. So this communalism is not something which is just emerged from Kathua. It's been there for a long time which Indian public and the authorities administration in particular have been indifferent to. But Kathua has compelled them to take note of it because what it has resulted in is and now from Hindutva I mean just shows how those who support a criminal act and those accused of that committing such heinous crimes can go to any extent to pick up any idea and identity to push their politics which is a politics of apartheid that we should be treated at differently from all the others. They move from Hindutva now Hindu Ekta Manj to now calling themselves as Dogra Manj. The point is that it's everybody knows who's behind this which are the parties which are openly supporting it. BJP has still not despite all that they may say they have not withdrawn support from all these elements which are part of this. One of them was even made minister. One of them was made minister and everybody's hand is in you know in one way or another they are part of it. So given that it's good that at least after 70 years intelligence bureau has woken up to the threat of communalism in Jammu and Kashmir. My only wish is that if they had been alive to this they would have noticed its roots going back to 1950s if not even beyond that. The Jammu region has a strong presence of the Rohingya community when it comes to India. Do you think that they might face any threat when we are facing this kind of issue in that region? Unfortunately refugees and especially stateless refugees are the worst of anywhere in the world and India is no exception and in fact in India they are even worse off because they don't have any legal protection provided to them. Now the Rohingyas who are living in Jammu it's not a very large number.  I mean the other communities may find somebody to champion the cause inside the country but who have Rohingyas who is going to speak up for Rohingyas.  Gautam when all these things are happening there are also other core issues which nobody is addressing the issues of unemployment basically when it comes to Jammu and Kashmir. Why is there no discussion about these things when it comes to Kashmir and Jammu unemployment, education they remain a basic problem there the economy is crumbling in that state. Jammu and Kashmir after the radical land reform of the 1950s saw a period of prosperity and growth and which was unprecedented in the first one and a half two decades of Jammu and Kashmir. But the limits of that development and that prosperous growth were halted also by other structural impediments and one of the major is the end result nature of the dispute. Unemployment is highest in Jammu and Kashmir compared to any other state in India according to a recent study that has been brought out and according to the government of Jammu and Kashmir itself it may be as high as 24.6 percent which compared to 4.7 percent which is the national average many many many times over the national average. I mean there is there must be some link between the two. I mean the fact that you have such a huge forces deployed who enjoys such enormous powers that the operations are being carried out or they are moving from one place to another or patrolling different parts of the areas etc surely they must be impacting economic activities in adversely in more than one way. Wide apart from that look at the lackluster performance of central government Nareen Modi in 2015 goes and grandly announces a package economic package of rupees 80,000 crore. Three years later in 2018 the Standing Committee of Parliament for Home Affairs in its report points out that only 22 percent of that 18,000 crores roughly 17,000 crores have been disbursed. A lot of projects that have been sanctioned the total value of projects that have been sanctioned are around 50, 52,000 crores out of which only 17,000 crore funds have been released which means it is like all other economic past packages of the past this is doing no better. So I mean you can announce packages you can promise that as a result of these packages job creation will take place roads would be built power houses would be built there would be enough electricity and energy for everybody etc it does not when the central government itself shows such such lukewarm attitude would you expect anybody else to do. Let me point out something even when people try at the dint of their own labour setup for instance educated unemployed come together and set up a unit for instance which is IT based unfortunately where IT is concerned Kashmir boasts the maximum number of internet shutdowns that India has 50 percent of all internet out of 82 internet shutdowns last year half of it were in Jammu and Kashmir this impacts business activities also. So what I am trying to say is that the conflict has multiple ways in which it has impacted and an impeded economic activities and it will continue to do so unless and until now the where come to dialogue there is a huge problem and the huge problem that we Indians face is that we are not clear about what we can offer Kashmiris having declared on the floor of the parliament that article 370 has been hollowed out we do not even want to consider right of cell determination what is it that we are going to offer the Kashmiris of talks were to be held. So it is very good that people are talking about political dialogue with Pakistan and with Huryat the trouble is what is there to talk about are we clear are we in a position is the government of India willing to declare unilateral you are as a part of a dialogue that will restore back the constitutional autonomy that was guaranteed to Jammu and Kashmir if not what is it that we are going to be talking about. Thanks a lot Gautam for giving us your time and as these things proceed we will be coming back to you on such issues one second. Thank you. Thank you for watching NewsClick.


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Alright, so let's talk about the first real mathematical cipher, which is known as the Hill cipher. Now, this was actually invented by Lester Hill, who was actually a faculty member at the City University of New York. And he invented this in the 1930s, and the Hill cipher works as follows. So what I'm going to do is I'm going to pick some n by n matrix that's invertible mod n. So the determinant has to be something that is relatively prime to n, otherwise I won't be able to find the inverse. And what I'm going to do next is I'm going to break the plain text into length n blocks, and each block is going to form an n by one vector, which we'll call p for plain text. And as necessary, we may have to pad p to make it of the appropriate length. Alright, well, how's my encryption going to work? Well, it's actually going to be pretty easy because I know how to multiply a matrix by a vector. My encrypted text is going to be the matrix product, my Hill vector, times whatever the plain text vector is, all done mod n. And because h is an invertible matrix, I can recover the plain text by multiplying by the inverse of the matrix, and that gets me my plain text back. For example, let's pick a random matrix. How about this one? h equals 3, 2, 1, 5, and I'll encrypt math using a equals 0 and so on, and I'll work mod 36. Now, since there's only 26 letters to the alphabet, you might wonder what we're going to use 27 to 36 for, and 27 to 35 for, I should say. And, well, we'll use those to represent the digits from 0 through 9. Alright, so let's, first of all, determine that h is actually invertible because the hill cipher won't work if we don't have an invertible matrix. So we want to find the determinant, which is going to be 13, which is, conveniently enough, relatively prime to our modulus, so we know there is an inverse. Now, we'll next want to break the plain text into 2 by 1 vectors. So that's going to be ma, which will encode using our a equals 0 code. That's going to become 12, 0, and then th is going to become 19, 7. And I'm going to produce the encryption by evaluating h times p, mod 36. So I'll do the matrix multiplication there. That's going to become 0, 12, and do the matrix multiplication, 71, 54, all reduced, mod 36, gives me that. And if I really want to, I can convert that back into an encrypted text. I don't really need to, I can work with just the numbers, but just for appearances, let's do that. So 0 is a, 12 is m, 35 is 9, the digit, and 18 is s. And so my encrypted form of math, m, a, t, h, is going to be a, m, 9, s. Well, how about decrypting? Well, we do need to find the inverse of h. So we'll use the cofactor method. So again, I know what that original matrix is. I'll find the matrix of cofactors. I'll multiply by the reciprocal of the determinant of the original matrix, which is going to be 25, and then reducing, gives me 17, 22, 11, 3 as our inverse. So to decrypt the message, I'll take the encrypted factors and then multiply them by the reciprocal matrix. So first I get this, reduce mod 36. Next I get this, again reduce mod 36. And finally, converting everything back into place. Well, that's m, a, t, h, which is what we started with.


Welcome. This is the 14th of April. It's documentation office hours. Thanks for joining. Topics that I've got on the list include Google summer of code. Awesome. It's already already here. Right. So let's just move it up. Yeah. Alternate ways to handle stale pull request that was discussed in docs office hours Europe about 12 hours ago that I'd like to review as possible ideas and not nothing we're wanting to take action on but I think we're discussing. End of life notifications in Jenkins core that Chris I would like to review it with you reviewed it earlier with with Alex brand us in office hours Europe and wanted to see if what you thought of this idea. And early end of life of sent for Centos seven gets a new topic because there was just recently an article. Anything else you want to add to the list Chris. No, it looks good. Okay, great. So let's take Google summer of code first. Okay. Any specific things you want there Chris other than mark continue reviews. Actually, I'm continuing to. Oh, good. Okay, Chris. Continuing to review proposals. Good. All right. And we just have one more mentor joined, which is a returning because is the main. Oh, good. Yes. Okay, spell it correctly. X. I am. Oh, why you mean. Thank you. Okay. And it was human gong right. I think so. Yeah. Okay, joined as a mentor as a returning. Returning. After being a contributor last year. Right. He was on the project last year with it was last year's Jenkins file runner project. That's great. Excellent. All right. So anything else that you wanted to highlight there Chris. Um, I think we are doing okay. Congress wise. I may need to chase some of the mentors for the violations. Okay. Yeah. And that's I think that's reasonable. Yeah. Now I did receive a, an email from. So mark. Mark. And I forget who the other one was and one other received reminders. From John Mark today. I assume you were copied as well. So we'll meet. In my case, it will probably be likely. Early next week. Okay. To, to discuss our observer observations as a smaller group. And then we'll share with, with the, the org admins of course. Okay. Great. Anything else. I think maybe not. Okay. More sensitive. All right. Good. Thank you. Okay. On next topic then alternate ways to handle stale documentation for pull requests. So last week there was a, a question from, I think it was from. Oh, who was it? I forget. But one of our attendees. Oh, Mikul, Mikul Kumar Kumar asked last week. Hey, why don't we do what? Why don't we just run stale bot? Yeah, we can. And well, the, there are those of us who, like me, who have pretty strong opinions. No, I'm not willing to do stale bot. Okay. We discussed, okay. What's the, what's the, what's what are the concerns? What are the reasons for that? And why would we care? And that for me was a useful discussion. So. Yeah. The point was. There are several different reasons a pull request can go stale. Right. If it's stale because it's not valuable, we just close it. And there we had an example just today where Kevin. Kevin Martins had asked three or four times over the course of several weeks for a submitter to correct. Some mistakes in the, in the content they were trying to submit. No response. They had just stopped being involved. And Kevin finally said, look, you're submitting is not valuable enough for me to complete the work myself. We're going to close it. So that, that was, that's a very reasonable thing. However, we've got some that are migrating useful information from old. Old locations like the old Jenkins wiki. But it's not good enough to be placed onto Jenkins. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know yet because it's got a number of inaccuracies because of how old the information is. Oh, okay. And, and we talked about. Okay. We could. Take that old pull request. And close it and create an issue. To track the content. After talking with Alex Brandy, he said, well, but that's not how Jenkins core does it. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know if it's stable at stalled. And except that it's okay that it's open. It's just not progressing. Yeah. Good. Yeah. I like the Jenkins core. Like workflow for hunting. Good. Well, and that was what Kevin felt as well was that, okay, let's let's just admit it's okay that we have open pull requests. But we're going to mark them as stalled. Because stalled is a way of at least telling us. We could then. We can then invite. New contributors. To help with some of the stalled pull requests. Now. Some of them require expert level skills and telling a new contributor go work on this. Is a recipe for a failure. But if it is relatively straightforward, what needs to be done, then we could. We could consider, hey, look at a stalled pull request that we've marked as good for a new contributor. Okay. And let's see what is that it's called good first issue. First issue. So does that sound reasonable to you, Chris? I think so. Yeah. That will work well. Okay. Good. So, so we, we already have that label. And we, we will use it. We already have the stalled label. Kevin checked earlier today and we'll use it. And then we have the option to mark them as good first issue. That way, at least we flagged, hey, these things are not making progress. Okay. Great. All right. So next topic, and this one was one, I think. I want, I want some, this is a chance for some design feedback or some concept feedback. Okay. So Jenkins has. Runs on platforms that where we officially declare that we only support the platform. If the upstream provider also sorts supports the platform. And therefore. Ubuntu 18 as an example. We'll reach end of life, May 31st 2023. That's when the, the upstream vendor says we will no longer support it to the open source community. You have to purchase an extended support contract. You have to pay them money in order to get support for Ubuntu 18. After May 31. And at that point the Jenkins project says it is unsupported for Jenkins. But we have no way of notifying people that it is unsupported and they're running on an unsupported platform. Yeah. So in the past, when we said, Hey, Java eight is going to be unsupported, we used a thing called an administrative monitor. And that administrative monitor pops up. To the Jenkins administrator and says you are. In this case, it says you are running Java eight Java eight will be end of life as of this date. You'll have to use Java 11. Okay. And we want to use a similar my proposal is let's use a similar technique here, but make it a little more general purpose. Okay. So the idea is that we create define a and I started with a directory and now I think it could be as simple as we define a. A collection of. Let's see how do we say it a collection of conditions and messages related to those conditions. Okay. For instance, if the file. slash etc slash O s dash release matches. Or has content that matches. Dot star Ubuntu dot star 1804. Okay. Then display then okay then. If it is before May 31 2023. Display.  End of life. What's the date end of life 31 May.  If it is after May 31 display, you know, let's okay I'm going to say this really harsh that's not how we would phrase it, but life will end. Okay. Right. And now it's life has ended. As of 31 May. And it's it's certainly there's better phrasing than that, but, but the notion is give two different messages and. This way we do this admin monitor and it says. This Jenkins release knows to check this thing. And we can now add additional if the file. slash etc red hat dash release. And this content that matches. Dot star seven, you know, and et cetera, then we. So the idea being we create these data file, one or more data files that define these conditions and the messages that the condition. So let's see, let's talk about the attributes attributes. Inside this data file are. The file name. Okay. Whose content is being matched. Okay. The match pattern. Check. The date, the effective date of the end of life. Okay. The message before the effective date. And the message. After. After the effective date. Okay. Make sense. Yeah. So the idea then is, okay, each Jenkins release can say, here are the things that. That are the admin monitors that will be checking with this Jenkins release to announce to people that they are on some obsolete platform. And this would let us do things like. These Linux releases, those are pretty easy because they identify by files. It also lets us do. Whoops. It allows us to end of life. Container images. Yeah. We would place a, an end of life marker. In the container image. And release the release the image. Okay. With that end of life marker file. And release the image. With a matching Jenkins release. Okay. That refers. That uses that marker file. For a notice. Okay. So for instance, we have a container called the blue ocean container. Yeah. We have another one. That is the windows controller container. Where the platform SIG has been watching the usage and seeing that there just aren't many people running the windows, the control, the Jenkins controller on windows in Docker. And let's end of life. And we just tell people by doing this, that this thing is now end of life. Okay. Does that seem reasonable? I think so. Yeah. Yeah. I think it would be better if we did it this way or that way. No, not really. No. Okay. Good. All right. Well, go ahead. I think it's sufficient. Excellent. Thank you. So I'll. I have my next steps then here is. Mark propose. I think this may be worth doing a pull request. Either a Jenkins enhancement, enhancement proposal. Or a pull request to Jenkins core. With the idea. I'm, and now that we've been through these. Iterations enough times. I think this may even be worth just doing a pull request rather than bothering with the Jenkins enhancement proposal process because the idea seems sensible enough. Let's just, let's just do it. Yeah. All right. Any other things suggestions you want to offer on that one? No. Okay. All right. Next topic then. Early end of life for Cento seven in the Jenkins project. So this is another proposal or idea that's been on my mind. That just got a new. A new additional input for it or a new additional note. I think it's going to be a rather famous writer in the open source community. Stephen Vaughn Nichols noted that. There are other vendors. Who are doing an early end of life. For Cento seven support as well. The vendor. C panel. Where is it? Here we go. C panel will block new installations. In their upcoming release. So, Oh, Has already blocked it. So in March, they blocked it. Oh, yeah. Because it's April. Okay. So, so for me, this is. Tempts me to say, you know what, we should do the same. We should do something similar where we. Declare that. We're ending life for Cento seven. In particular, because. This is the one that's that's. For me is the most valuable thing, which is that. Docker. The, the Cento seven. Container images. Are already unsupported. By their upstream maintainers. Okay. So what that means is that Jenkins. Container images based on them. Already are orphans. Okay. Okay. Because the upstream maintainers aren't taking care any longer. Yeah. The Cento seven. Seven system D. Based RPM installer. From Jenkins does not work. Whoops. Okay. It's and, and Basil Crow who did the implementation of it says not supported. So. Not supported. And let's see, there was one other non. Oh, yeah, I remember what it was Cento seven. Open SSH seven dot four is missing key features. Needed by the get plugin. And Cento seven. Get one dot eight is missing. 40 plus revisions of J. Get features. That the get plugin needs. And doesn't support things like sparse checkout. Doesn't, if I remember it reliably support shallow checkout. There are all sorts of flaws and failures in Cento seven. But the current version is so old because the current version is. Current is two dot 40 dot zero. If you can imagine there have been over 40 releases. Since that thing. And here the current version current version is. Like nine dot zero or nine dot two. So this thing is really ancient. And that. Any objection from you or any insights you want to offer there, Chris. No objection. Okay. Those were the topics I had for today. Anything else I need to discuss today. Not really. Okay, let's call an end and I'm going to go back to reviewing. Google summer of code. Okay. Cool. Yeah. See you next week. Bye bye.