Hi, welcome last of us episode 5 and it ended exciting I thought you're gonna go really like information-based like hello episode 5 eFap last of us TV show The problem was I jumped right into it and I was figuring it out in real time Like what is the tone I want to go for here am I going for goofy or am I going for serious I'm going for something in between and I'm not sure what I settled on there Well as is usual with that sort of things I say as if we've done this one before This is actually the first of its kind in terms of a format because it's different than the Hill House one Very different than like Mando Kenobi because it's like complimentary. I don't think anything compares Appropriate as the proper inaugural eFap TV, you know, except Velma Velma popped out right I'm happy to pretend that this was the beginning of Was just a sin that arrived around same time Well, what I was gonna say about that is is an interesting dynamic with this one Especially because we're not just being complimentary and trying to give it room to breathe where it requires it I mean that in both how we analyze it, but also how it's presented I actually wanted to start with that a lot of people have been bringing up like in in both Complementary and criticism the the cuts between the show in the game in these edits what criticism so they have I'm legitimately curious because that is insanely helpful for like me who remembers very little of the game In a lot of compliments which makes sense But the criticism include like you're taking away from the experience by like randomly cut into different media instead of the same one Like you're not random Literally the show the scene from the game that they're either trying to somewhat redo or base their thing off of so I wanted to explain There's like three big reasons number one would be yeah for the sake of Looking at how faithful this thing is or how it compares to its source material and you might be like You don't do that with other stuff. It's like we don't do it with things. We're not that familiar with us That's just how it works in this way since the beginning we talk about how faithful a thing is if we have the chance to be able to talk about it We often don't because we don't know the source That's just reality for most people but remember how faithful it is does not determine how good it is We've always been on that position, but we've always said hey I mean it's interesting to have the adaptation conversation like oh, did they change this and this like why would they do that? Do you think that that change matches the thing they're creating or does it take away or this is a mistake through rushing and Compressing or is there something that they expanded and you know fixed up or whatever We've had plenty of those concessions and I think that those clips help people who aren't familiar secondly It is helpful Dramatically you have no idea with copyright of all things you may you may not have thought But that that is like one of the primary things that was really helpful If I can show you a full scene of what happens in this story by by side with the game You get to consume almost the whole story from the the TV show without it being angry and shutting the whole thing down So that's another reason why it's super useful then I would say the third and finally I think it is quite entertaining to to watch I think it actually does add to to see these two measure I try to build them in a way that doesn't you get the similar payoffs as they're running next to each other while Simultaneously matching for copyright like I said as protection But I think it works But I I just want people to know it's there for several reasons and it can't go away anytime soon nor can I make it That's that but look I'm gonna resurrect something even though it would never really truly die I just kind of didn't do it for the other ones because I was just busy getting these things done But you're you guys remember a little thing called comment showcase It's the thing that just got a name really doesn't need one It's just us looking at comments because I saw a consistent set of comments about Episodes so like the vibe I think was that we were too nice to the show in episodes one and two episode three Everyone's familiar with the discourse over that one. It's nightmarish. It's all over the place And I actually feel like we happily did a decent job at the end of episode three going through the major ones like it being filler Boring irrelevant to the main plot line irrelevant to the main characters I think we gave our takes on all that episode four They're our criticisms and there are things that people feel we did not cover as well So we're gonna just check out a few of them probably take it in the little turns topic number one is Kathleen the lady who is in charge seemingly of the Kansas City Rebels Chiefs, I guess we'll just go left to right nice and simple for you to want to read this first one I found the leader of this Kansas City group to be very disappointing. She's clearly not a proper leader Ignoring dire court of saps related problems to focus on her own vendetta Shooting an unarmed prisoner during an emotional episode who is a doctor and will most likely help Heal people in need or without the threat of death and setting up ambushes and getting weirdly upset Someone would escape and survive it. She doesn't have any charisma or natural leadership skills She's just a lady in charge because she's the most mad about losing her family It seems like I just don't understand how anyone could take her seriously I get the leader of the group wanted to kill the doctor But she had a situation where she was reminded of the possible need for a doctor and shot him anyway There was a reason why being educated was considered a valid defense in death penalty trials for the last few centuries When doctors are worth their weight in gold.  I'm assuming we're gonna get more context on that Including but not limited to torture and kill for information about rebels trying to breach the system And there were people who worked with Fedra to sell out their friends and family for whatever reason again with who Sam and Henry are in the game.  They're not been told yet Everyone's jumping the gun and that's been what's happening throughout this whole season But I think we're gonna get a reason for Henry and Sam doing that But hey, we may not with her she expresses that she's got some serious like love for her brother as you can tell And she wants to kill Sam and Henry for having led to his death Now, I don't know more than that but the doctor didn't lead to a brother's death He just led to other people's capture and death and it seems to me with the aggression She has against Fedra in their control that it's funny because Gary brought it up in open bar I think after we talked a bit about it. He said like even if they're a doctor You gotta be fucking careful as hell with someone like that if you don't trust them They can subvert you in all kinds of ways, especially a doctor They can get they can still kill and make people live depending on whatever they want If she just doesn't trust him All you need to know is that it's enough for her to execute him and that kind of like cold attitude is Something a lot of people will flock toward for leadership depending on what she's done in the past But the thing is as you can tell from these comments a lot of people are like, how did she in the role? Why would people have elected her? It's like we don't actually know What he pleads with her that he's the one that brought her into the world She has like some a decent bit of acting there if someone who's brand new Clearly there's more dimensions to her that are going on but it as freaky points out in the episode live She's overwhelmed with vengeance and of course people like as she is going to fail Like her narrow focus on getting revenge to the detriment of To the exclusion of these more present problems is going to have serious consequences for her in a group That's like the point obviously that last comment references how like she's making the same apparent mistake that uh Like the Joel was making it's like is everyone going to comment that it's like I think this episode So that last comment struck me as odd. It's like you do sort of recognize that the show is painting her as an antagonistic force Right. She's probably going to get killed by the bloater and she'll probably die in a scene that is like her choosing revenge instead of Focusing on the infected.  There might be a lot of people who do not like her being in charge We don't know if other people also make decisions or if she's only in charge of a certain branch I find it all a bit awkward where it's almost like it sometimes seems like what's baked into it is listen to her voice It's not very threatening that kind of sort of read of the character. It just strikes me a little bit odd Yeah, um, like I mean why it's so hard to believe that somebody like this could end up being a leader I I guess i'm just a little bit perplexed by it Well, yeah, if that's the challenge if people like can you explain any environment in which this could be possible in a post-apocalypse? And um a drinker did on on open bar is just saying like well society hasn't collapsed for them They're building something there She if she's got the right qualities or she's proven herself in whatever way if she organized them to destroy fedra Then yeah, they're gonna put a lot of trust in it All she needs is a selection of people that um are powerful do hold influence there that do think she should be in charge That's enough and that can happen with anyone But the big thing for me is just like can we please have a little bit more from it before we uh, we decide This is absolutely nonsense right because again five minutes Maybe I want to find out a bit of her history No motivations for like why she's doing all of this I want to know I'd be it'd be cool to know why she's in power I don't know if we'll get it and uh same for sam and henry I want to know how they interact with her and I think that's what this whole episode's going to be about What the whole thing is going to be is that for as disarming as she may appear She's probably going to be quite worthless and she's willing to just like shoot people and kill them Well, maybe not that already that should be it. I think Is easily coming from the fact that that's what fedra did to them for 20 years She's that kind of character. It comes across to me Someone that I was thinking about was for anybody who's watched it House the dragon the kind of character the women in the world of westeros A lot of them speak softly are calm, but they will kill you in an instant And then you have plenty of guys around them that respect the the decisions they make and sort of work as their right hand Their fists so to speak their enforcers And if she's that kind of character it'd be cool to see I don't really mind I'm I'm gaming for a lot of different things. Uh, I don't have a screenshot of this one But I saw a lot of people saying it.  Obviously. Ellie even said like are you sure you're gonna hear it? And we don't even know, you know, the you know the people who get past that They don't know if they're aware of it. They might have seen it and gone around it There is the broad counter and then there's the specific counter The broader was pretty much what you've done there and and yeah, like this you can subvert traps That's the thing and traps are not guaranteed to work Well, it's not perfect, but it's something but the specific one is super interesting The pov thing they're not unwilling to do, uh, the big pov film So I'm assuming we're gonna get sam and henry's POV and they don't have to because I know how it can work But they might show they put something down to make it make that sound they they move around it It'll be cool if they acknowledge it But I don't think they even have to a cool detail and this was pointed out a couple of people in chat I uh, sorry in comments. I didn't actually notice it was highlighted that, um, Joel's right ear is fucked basically from overly shooting He doesn't favor it favors his left and so if he's sleeping on his side Which he is in the scene he goes to sleep on his right ear meaning his left ear is open and out When he's woken up He's sleeping on his left ear Meaning his right ear was up point being he turned over during his sleep And his his less favored ear was the one he was relying on which I think is kind of neat to put together Um, that is something they point out. That's a neat detail. Yeah, I don't think you can blame Joel for turning over in his sleep Right, that's just something that you do that was really nice touch And I think also it's conceivable. They could have come in through a window or something Um, not necessarily that door. I mean, they've they've been escaping uh, these people for however long They must be careful with everything they do and remember that the big thing as well is that they are He's main like Joel doesn't know about henry or sam He's worried about these guys and so the logic of going up there in the first place and sending those traps was to be safe Against those guys not other people in the the city You know that they're not aware of his agents that are moving around in a very good at getting around safely It's a pretty good system that he came up with. I don't find it. It's funny weird where it's like ha it failed It's like, yeah, I guess they do sometimes Yeah, I'm just going with you it's kind of Kind of good. We have different results instead of just they always win or anything Results, you know, he didn't provide her with a gun. She took it from bills, uh, and she's also killed before preferred the game version tibba tibba and uh the second one if uh You spend a lot of time discussing that ellie was changed by having to shoot that guy She mentions more than once that she's done it before The writers probably shouldn't have included that but they did I think she says she's done something before She's hurt someone before I don't think that killing a person or whatever She's done in whatever context she's done is going to change the fact that she had to do what she did in that scenario He also didn't want to talk about it when joel asked her about it Yeah, my I would say that our major points are just that her acting and The writing shows that this had a huge effect on it and joel recognized it whether or not she's killed someone before It still had a huge effect on it is what's important and then uh, just I'm not sure what the whole like he didn't provide it with the gun She took it from bills Did we say anything different? Yeah, I I mean we saw that same What do we think he got or is of course, you know, we know that we think she got the gun She got the same gun that um frank took out when he went outside to defend billy's from the same place as well Is that very good? Yeah, um, yeah, I know she took the gun and then saying um preferred the game version I'm not sure exactly what part you prefer but uh, I prefer the show vision for sure on that one Civic scene if it's the specific scene of her shooting the guy then yeah, the show is better on that one Yeah, I think so, but we will it's a scary thought, isn't it? Well, it's a thing I'm I've shat enough on how the the game does things better than show But I think there are times now where there's the show doing things better than game But we got this one. I guess I'll read this here. I go I completely disagree that this was better than in the game His cruel words and treatment give ellie a time to stand up for herself while reinforcing joel's view of her as a Burden which makes her arc his arc more impactful because he grows to view her as a daughter He's already treating her like a fatherly figure in episode four by trying to shield her from the horrors of the world In the game, he made sure she stayed behind because he didn't want a liability and needed to protect his cargo In the show, he doesn't want it to be traumatized and obviously protecting the cargo a small difference But it has big impacts on other characters of view I don't see joel as a hard and jaded man that doesn't give a shit about strangers His arc will be less impactful and i'm not okay with that. There's a lot here It is a lot His cruel words and treatment give ellie a time to stand up for herself while reinforcing death to this So I assume they're talking about the game version. They are indeed the scene where he Says to it like you just hang back like I told you to Well, you're glad I didn't right I'm glad I didn't get my head blown off by a goddamn kid That's almost meta or you're appealing to What his words allow her to do as a character or would allow her to do as a character When in joel's perspective that wouldn't really be a reason why he said those things what they did in the show Was they had joel essentially recognize that she did ultimately save him And he doesn't get angry at her for doing that he gets very he becomes apologetic to her That she was put in a situation like that that he shouldn't have allowed to happen Which is a different way to take it, but I think is ultimately really really Excellent and comes across as more fatherly to me actually. Well, so that's part of the criticism I guess that's too fatherly. He should be it's too fatherly too early. That's That seems too early. Yeah, that's the thing. I don't think this is too early at all. I think we've already done Yeah, we're in episode four So I want to bring up is a while in So his cruel words and treatment give ali a hard time to stand up for herself Give her a time to do it while reinforcing his view of her as a burden They actually did this in episode three. Nobody made you go along with this plan You needed a truck battery or whatever and you made a choice.  It isn't my fault He's like looking at it almost like a noi because that's almost expected that this whole thing wouldn't have happened If not for this new mission they had that was thrust on them because of all the shit that happened with robert and Marlene in a way you could see it as though if if if ali never existed test would be alive And she cut through all of that immediately, which I think shows some level of emotional intelligence on it Park Steal it for herself one part though here Yeah, and then of course in response to that he's gonna see you which he does at that point and has done As fucking this this thing I've got to deal with But at the same time she is a kid and we've talked about how they've been chipping away at that Be it through her jokes or her commentary on anything her way of trying to interact with him What bill has said how she reflects sira how she reflects tess and then like having to worry about what she should be exposed to and stuff I think they've they've done all the beats they require and the thing is you might want to replay the game He's already similarly as fatherly to her at this in the similar timeline. I would say now the safety zone Do you know how to switch it off? I do okay, you just You gotta respect it. This is not good. Joel. I'll be careful okay Yeah, because you gotta think about where these events take place in the context of other major beats because the really important thing with the Henry and Sam beat is that's the thing that makes Joel want to get off You know, he he doesn't want to really do this anymore He wants to pass this off to there's part of the reason why he wants to pass it off to tommy He don't want to deal with the with like this feeling of um the peril that she's in And how culpable he's gonna be if she gets hurt or killed That's one of the things that's informing in any way and in terms of the timeline You know episode four is about close to that as uh The payoff was in the game as well to which one might be able to say it's like Well, maybe he should be a little bit further along in terms of warming up to uh to ellie by this point I think one could even make that argument as criticism of the game because part of what I like about the show's vision Is yeah, you shot someone and saved me So you take the gun off and then he's like, okay fine. Here is the gun This is how you use it use it for emergencies like that seems the most reasonable development Meanwhile in the game he takes it off.   I saved your life and he's like And then gives you the rifle like okay while the conversation the show I found to be way more meaningful and this is someone who really likes the story in the game Just saying I just think it's kind of the problem that I have with the comment is there's not much of a It's like it's it's more so just pointing out how it's different from what the game had and then sort of consequently Would be less impactful without much consideration for how the changes that were made so this payoff here will feed into the arc That they're setting him on in this show, which may be different than what was in the game Like there's not much consideration to anything that was gained by doing it this way It seems to almost have been treated like a strict loss. Yeah, which is a bit weird Right considering that it's like well Surely you would have to acknowledge that what's been created here in terms of more elements of a feeling of he failed And so she had to do that and then loss of innocence or you know something along those lines Like that that as a dynamic There's got to be something there right or is that is that neutral? Is that of no value at all part of what seems to be said in this comment is the That's something you would gain like a fatherly expectation trying to protect it from particular Whatever experiences that you should protect it from someone engage with some that's a fatherly thing It's like no, I'm pretty sure that is just a basic humanity thing So moving as an adult if you're moving a human child around different places They're just automatically this happens in real life if you see a kid fucking around with something Or about to eat like something off the floor you as a person like oh You shouldn't be doing that that's like whether or not they're cargo And so like having those elements is that's part of why the last versus awesome It it chips into him with some other things that surround the idea of becoming fatherly to it And then it will generate that that relationship Oh and of course by the way that i'm just not because in the game He made sure she stayed behind because he didn't want a liability So this is that ludonarrative dissonance coming back in ellie is an active participant in combat Yes, and not to mention that uh, you can't even make that argument for the comparison because he gives her the rifle almost straight after that Yeah, but that's a big one actually she actively participates in combat. She'll like throw bricks at people She'll stab people with the switchblade like in close quarters combat So like Joel is clearly pretty comfortable with having her be in the fray Yeah, he doesn't keep her like out of the whole area or anything But in fact that actually seems like it could present a serious problem And then a license So that's adding the argument that you're making about like the arc that he's going on And so when they say a small difference, but it has big impacts on the kind of characters of view It's like I think I agree with you, but I'm obviously gunning for the positive effects I'm like these small changes, but they're having really good effects And then to say I don't see Joel as a hardened jaded man that doesn't give a shit about strangers So first of all Joel Joel cares about strangers very much. Yeah, he helped Henry and Sam Not only that he he is so hyper aware of the average person that he doesn't trust basically anybody until he's in situations where he is Essentially they've proven themselves by circumstance like Henry and Sam They could in the game have shot him when they met but they don't and that's quite a bit already for him to trust them Then they find out that they're they're similar in that they're both being hunted by the local like rebels And so then they slowly connect and yeah, he um He goes on limb for them a decent bit So I would say game Joel cares about strangers and so does show Joel so I don't agree with that part Game Joel and show Joel are hardened. Of course they are. Well, how would we rate hardened? He executed a man by stabbing him in the heart like I I think that makes you hardened Like I don't know man. Yeah, and yeah, I mean other guys as well Whether it's the game or the show I think Joel is absolutely intended to be seen as a hardened jaded man Who's somebody who has been a smuggler in this hellish world for 10 or at least 10 years I want to go further than saying he is I want to be like what is hardened and it relates to like being able to do these really harsh things with Billy what seems to be a Billy any kind of emotional effect on you. You're that far along in experience now You know what needs to be done Subject of jaded he literally says there's no saving the world Well saving that it can't be saved and that you have to it's much more tighten it in terms of your priorities So I would say that he is hardened and jaded And you're wrong on the statement that either of them don't care about strangers The point being made here is that the show the show is like actually pretty good. Um, So far. Well, yeah, and the whole his arc will be less impactful. Can you please wait until his arc is over? Wait until it's over and then we'll see, you know Because I think they've got lots of pieces in place that could make it really strong I don't know. It just feels like um, it feels like even This far into the show. It's like a lot of people aren't willing to Let it well to play out on that note rags read this last comment. All right Four is beyond a pattern. The show is gonna be good. Game of thrones had four good seasons But after that I get you want to be optimistic But the reality is a four good episodes is just that four good episodes It's more likely the show will be good, but it's still very possible They'll hillhouse midnight mess it up, especially considering how the two second part of what they're adapting went I'm just saying be cautious with your optimism. So, um Before seeing any of the show, I probably would have said it's gonna be bad Then someone would be like it's made by the guy who made Chernobyl Yeah, but uh, Neil Druckmann though It's like Neil Druckmann made the last first part one at least with a lot of people It's like yeah, but look what he made recently. Okay. All right, fine That seems like it's relatively reasonable. You can say it's gonna look looking bad watch episode one It's like that was pretty solid I mean it might be okay. Watch episode two is really solid. You're like, uh, I don't know. It's still fine. Watch episode three Like damn, that was even a risky move and you managed to nail it I don't know. Yeah, sure. Maybe watch episode four really solid and filled in a whole bunch of blanks We were looking for it's like at this point it's like well I would just be lying to you if I said that I thought it was still gonna be bad Of course, I now think it's gonna be good. I felt the same way for house the dragon I would have said the same for hillhouse and midnight mass as we were watching I'd be like this is gonna be great. In fact midnight mass after a couple of episodes I would have said this is gonna be fucking amazing Well, I think it's it's relatively straightforward, right by the end of season four a game Wow, I guess before the finale, right because that's where you think it goes bad If somebody went into season five with the expectation that it would be good Nobody would say that that's unreasonable. Yeah, I think the position right now Is that the show will be good? Yeah, because the other one would just be assuming that it's gonna completely collapse based when all of the input so far has been Positive we've had loads of standard setups and payoffs We're running characters in a very consistent way They seem to care about how they build their world and they seem to pay attention to like ammo and gun limitations as well as human limitations for a lot of things characters have made some pretty Clever decisions here and there. I'm not going to say it's flawless because it isn't The detail of the production standpoint And but when you see all of those values being repeated You're like, all right I think there's there's good reason to assume that this will be repeated in the future episodes because these were all made Together, I don't see why I was gonna guess I would guess that it would be good But uh, you know, you can appeal and rightly so it could be anything could be a disaster that we're about to see in episode 5 6 7 8 9 That could be Doubt it though. I just don't think it will yeah I think uh, if we're gonna be betting on one thing right now, it's that the show will be good Yeah, yeah, that would be that would be the safest bet I think and if someone said a half turned out to be bad I'd be like safest bet at this point was good though I don't I don't what would be the a hard be like well Yeah, but I'm pretty happy with a lot of the The coverage so far and the dissection and analysis of the show There's not really any motivation for us to be nice to this show We've been kind of rule to the last of us IP for the past few years I was not expecting this to be this good And of course there were all the comments beforehand about video games and adaptations that were pretty frustrating as well Yeah, um, even though this is probably one of if not the best I mean If it stays, I mean the fact that we've had four good episodes puts it really high up Anyway, I guess the more relevant question would be how does it stack up to arcane by the end? Oh, well, that's the thing I feel like arcane's a different thing faithfulness low, but quality high This is faithfulness pretty high quality. I doubt I like it as much as arcane by the end But you know what I'm happy to be surprised Yeah, it's just arcane It has a lot of characters A lot of characters with great arcs In any case you guys are ready for us to watch episode five. I am ready. I am so ready. You're excited for this one. So The record have not really heard much complaints for this one. Mostly just praise anything. So I don't know Really the have been trying to avoid Uh, the assumption we have of course is that this is just going to be the conclusion of the kansas city arc Yes, everything here. Henry sam and kathleen stories will likely end in this one Or maybe continue you never know kathleen seems to me like the kind of person that will die this episode I don't know. Yeah, I think so and I think it will be the bloater. I just want to see the bloater man squish someone's head like Like a tomato. I want to see the bloater go.  Yeah, well, yeah, I guess we were wrong about that We kind of thought that that might continue forever. It might just be now. We'd not get anymore at all Because you never know When are they gonna make the first of us the prequel the last of them The first of us the precursors. Well, not legacy. It will just be the precursors I'm sure do love freedom. Oh, is this great. This is when they beat fedra Yeah, I assume so.  Yeah, there is a lot of people Yeah, I'd have to imagine this is gonna be building up who these bad guys are Oh, this seems Maybe this is a bit much fellas. This is this is definitely, uh, not okay Come on guys use your words Well, uh, I don't know. Maybe fedra. We're really bad Really bad. Oh, so yeah, this will be Henry and Sam You'll receive a fair trial.  Oh, Jesus Christ. Just dragging to do. Yeah, this is this is encouraging about your free fair trials It's almost like a looney tunes death full of knives. Yeah, yeah, seriously This is what the way to do it start up with these guys give them a gotta get to learn them Especially if this is the only episode we get with them. Well, it's a big if who knows Bloods to be as all over the walls Oh, yeah reassuring hurts the ambience, you know, perry. I used to be so scared of these people Did it feel good?  We could put you on trial.  So that's how that'll go. Where is Henry?  He had a place to hole up in the open city. Haven't you heard? Kansas City is free. I swear. I've told you everything I know.  I don't think they're ever gonna let Rats so to speak ever be a Non-prison or non-killed. Yeah, the perception would be that if I've done it before they can do it again It's not even just that it's like a You chose that when we were at our worst.  Perry. Is that what he is to you? Right, so this whole time he's sort of just been like, hmm about this vendetta. We are not really putting them on trial When you're done burn the bodies. It's faster. That'll be the body plan He's exactly what we expected in terms of the way that she conducts herself He's clean and ruthless Yeah, and it's simple math to her. You betrayed us. You got us killed. You got us hanged. Now you get hanged sort of thing Uh, yeah, she's gonna be a vengeance character.  Yeah, the rules of the game apparently is just how everyone's operating. I'm wondering if uh Is it that sam is deaf or that they're using sign language because it means they can communicate without, you know, making a sound I don't know seems like it'd be Oh Well, I guess we're about to find out. Oh Is he edelstein then Must be oh edelstein grunting. There you go. Oh, so when we caught up with him like he had just been captured, I guess Yeah, yeah, because this was the room that they found in the episode I barely made it out as is so we're fucked up food ammunition empty. Yeah, so is mine. So we'll sneak our way out tunnels Tunnels I'd go to the trouble you can kill yourself right here. I think we can make it 11 days Such a long we have to figure it out He's scared because you're scared I wonder if we're gonna get some parallels for these two I already got ourselves establishing some little, you know things they like to do Well, remember when they encountered uh Golan ellie he kind of had he'd like drawn on kind of like the well they say in super sam the superhero kind of Yeah, they were both drawn as superheroes makes him brave makes him feel Yeah brave I wonder how you do italics in sign language Yeah, I guess no more food and everything you got to leave Yeah, they were mentioning that they needed to figure out a plan to leave here within the 11 days Yeah, 11 days assuming that it was the three of them splitting the food. So it's probably been you know around that Well, it's been 10 days. They said before so it must be a long enough So they need to move out The food, I don't know if they have an escape plan yet though doesn't seem like like they do I mean whatever plan they might have had might have been ruined by them doing all these patrols also the death of Edelstein, I like that I was spending so much time with these characters right now is helping even out the distribution of screen Screen time across all characters like the the bill episode up until now felt like very Unique and it's it's lack of Joel and Ellie, but now we have another episode like it. You know what I mean Well, yeah, I think getting carried through if this story is kept to the game story I think this one's going to go over way better with people Yeah, I think um one of the benefits that they're having with the show is that because the game has a fixed perspective on Joel and Ellie because of them being player characters means that you can't really have scenes like this in in those games Yeah, whereas here you can have the uh, you know just episodes on about Joel and Ellie because it's not a fixed perspective show If you want to get to brass tacks technically speaking, this is all unfaithful right now This isn't in the game right because this is the story that we didn't get but it's good story I like I think most people would say that it is faithful so far Well Between like disfaithful and unfaithful in a way where if it's not contradictory It's one thing if you're adding supplemental stuff. It's another. Yeah Oh, that'll be Joel So a question I was gonna have was the nature in which they got to Joel and Ellie And if it is as simple as they followed them then good Yeah, because it looks like that might happen There'll be one more shot to here, right? With a shotgun when he buzzer. Yeah. Yeah, well two more shots. Oh, you're right. Yeah, and then a series of screams Ah, maybe they cut before Hmm. Yeah, they probably did. I guess they're thinking we'll follow these guys These are these are not friends of our enemies. So yeah enemies of our enemies will hopefully be our friends It's not a bad idea. Oh There you go. It's addressed All right, there you go. That's what I mean guys. Just go to wait like remember what to do And I think this show with the quality we've seen so far certainly did deserve the benefit Doing their best to avoid it Oh, all right, that was pretty expeditious. Yeah, now we're here. Yeah, that was quick Eyes on me Okay, we didn't hurt you So you don't hurt us. That's right.    It's my brother sam I'm the most wanted man in Kansas City. Okay. I pegged him for a while I guess he's running a close second. Well, yeah, that's about how I'd expect that to go. I suppose. Yeah He's just thank you I guess you don't have much so It means a lot I'm ellie I'm Joel. You wait.  Let's call this a win-win and wall. Let's call it a win-win Now y'all came up here to get a view of the city and plan a way out and when the sun's up I'll show you one. All right. We got something you want. Hey, all right And Joel is a very capable man. Well, yeah, it looks like that's where the drawn to him as well, right? You would have saw him shooting Oh, there you go, great tortured a murder for 20 years from fedra.  Yeah I'm a collaborator I don't work with rights.  I know the city and that's how I'm gonna help you get out You think it will enough your arm and wrong and wrong Never killed anyone I'm pointing an unloaded gun to choose the closest I've ever come to being violent. Oh, yeah, that's right The guns were empty remember mission empty. Yeah, so is mine. That's right. They are empty Yeah, doesn't it at all feel like there's just all the blocks that are required of getting built like one by one Yep information required here got it information required here got it Wow It's been a while since that boy even cracked a smile. I've heard that in a long time She doesn't seem bothered by all this So, where were you hidden? So, how are we getting out? And now you can do some character stuff That's the binding element these two kids. I've heard that in a long time Yeah, and Joel's still very that is the jaded element of him struggling whenever nice things happen. He's like nah, nah highways They got people posted all around the inside perimeter. We get close. We get caught You remember what like toy or something that's from I want to say that it's slightly familiar I know Yeah Pretty clever. I like that. Is it done with magnetism? I can't remember. Yeah, they're magnetic filings that are drawn to the surface with the pen Also, um, it's just with saying I think the actors for Henry sound pretty good so far. Yes Yeah, you notice anything strange about this city. I mean no infected. Where are they infected? Yeah There's an infected. Fedra drove them underground 15 years ago and never let them come back up The fedra guy that I worked with told me that it's clean completely clean. They cleared it out all of it.  You're the right people If it's bad down there, we turn around. If it's the best option.  Yeah, you can't stay here.  Yeah plan is good Plan is good. We've been down here two seconds. We don't know anything Point your light forward. This is just you and your daughter I promise someone I'd look after you ready to run Because most of this hasn't been like the game so far. Oh, yeah, that's quite different. The thing is we got the sewer sequence I guess is that this is what we'll be doing instead. It's similar enough. Yeah pretty spoopy down there Hey, you don't know what's in there, man Doesn't surprise me at all. I think Joel is generally protective of children I think a lot of people just naturally would be oh, I think if someone wanted to say like well There's some people who aren't it's like well Joel obviously it makes sense that he would be he's been a father But yeah, you're right. A lot of people at base are anyway I heard about places like this People went underground after a nice set build settlements. What happened to them?  Yeah, man. Keep it down. We're not out yet. Oh come on Can we just rest here for a while wouldn't be so bad to wait and light out a bit Safer in shadows when we pop back out on the other side. Makes of the same Hey Did you see that let's keep it down, buddy. Okay. Yeah, I'm very jagged now is a What's what I mean? I don't understand like if someone hadn't even played the game They would be like this Joel guy man.  He is that's that's who he is Nothing is ever safe. Nothing is ever you look at that Collaborating to take care of him. I shouldn't have said what I said It seems kind of cruel to send a whole army after you for that Sam yeah Got sick. There was one drug that worked and it belonged to fedra I was gonna take something big The leader of the resistance movement in Kansas City and Kathleen's brother.  I am the bad guy because I did a bad guy thing Man almost like you guys should have waited a little bit Did you imagine dealing some significant damage on behalf of one person Joel? Did you do that? It's pretty good as a seed to set up for later on. Yeah It's just they're just doing the work they're supposed to the whole season is gonna build up all with all these different Environments and characters doing their different choices and then he's gonna have his This is kind of the last of us too in microcosm this story. I like that sock was a violence Well, I mean she's abby and Henry is Joel. Why are you talking to my mom? This room seemed so big Michael told me that this wasn't a room at all It's the big wooden box so that nothing could get inside of He said as long as we were together We would be safe He was so beautiful I never was He would be Horrified by the things I've done and if you've come to tell me that Michael wouldn't want me to hurt Henry That he would want me to forgive. Your brother was a great man We all loved him The last time I saw him alive. He told me to forgive and what did he get for that? Where is the justice in that? What is the point of that? He didn't change anything You did I can't believe it Like we we've got everything. Yeah, this is very well done. This is everything. She's clearly everything we needed She relied on her whole life So her brother her brother took care of her brother made her feel like a good person. He was taken from her now He's gone. And so she'll do anything to get revenge on him Even though that's not what the brother would want and she understands the context she does She's choosing this and it's gonna fucking backfire at it More or less on board anyway, because they all liked him and they and they did like him He was a decent leader or whatever for the morale probably the personnel But she's the one that actually made change happen But the the often the dichotomy right the principled idealist and then the The realist yeah who makes things happen And yeah, that was just you needed only one scene to do it for her and that was that was it That's everything about her now. We have it was real awkward now that saying like, you know her being the leader here Previous episode was about her. It was a setup. Now it's about her, isn't it? That's how it works This scenario looks similar. Oh, this looks like something. Yeah Well, we're going to Wyoming What it's a huge state. It can fit two more people. Yeah state Maybe we just call this one a success and say our father well No, I don't change his mind. Trust me. This is how he goes. He's like, no Oh, wait Never ever ever happening And then I'm like, I'm gonna ask you a million more times and me Yep There's the cycle that sounds like the sound effect of nearly getting detected. Do you hear that? Yeah, oh, yeah, I know what you mean.  Do you see where? Somewhere down the street.  No before you start. I need you guys to keep him busy I'm gonna go around Try to get in the house through the back and then I'll take him out.   Then he's gonna kill us. Okay. Hey Be careful You trust me This is one to one with the game, right? Yeah, you go around the side To ambush me was during the day in the game. That's the only difference. Yeah. Yeah mad. It is very bright Yeah, this is a bit this is bright It's very bright. Well, yeah Like yeah, most full moon night can be bright sure, but like come on Well, it's just a common thing in shows and movies, right?  That's all you have to do Please don't do it. Well, I had to do that would be hardened again Oh, he was and you would have called them by now, right? Probably. Yeah That's how they did it.   That's that's the way you do a payoff like that.  All we missed it now is an obvious obvious. I'd say Who is that going to be the rumble that wakes him up or maybe Is this Unrelated to the the little hole they had back in that other place, I guess that was just evidence that they're underground Yeah, I don't see how anything else would save them. It would have to be a whole to zombies Just let the kids go. Sorry The girl is with the man who killed brian and well, Sam's with you.  Man. I wonder what that's relevant to.  Yeah Get ready to take him and run. Yes Do it It ends the way it ends That'd be a hole I wonder if he's realizing what this is. I'm wondering. Yeah, if Joel knows what this is.  It's actually the amount of bullets is making a difference, but there's just so many of them Yep, and once they scatter around it gets harder and harder and now you're just gonna get people getting picked off in it Oh, he's looking stressed out. Gotta have tight aim now. Yeah Where's that bloater though? Yeah Well, it's crazy to write because every person they kill by biting then turns into one, right? Eventually, right? Well, if they kill them, they're dead and I think it depends on where they're bitten Oh, yeah Oh Oh, damn, look at that Christ I think he was going for a sidearm there as well.  Why are you gonna do that? Oh Look at that, man. He's selling that fear Can't stand there She can That was pretty neat. Jeez. We're gonna really confident, aren't we? Yeah, those are some close shots I guess they're literally closer at least Oh, and yeah, she's good Someone's gonna eat you lady water's coming. All right And there you have it All complete story finished. That is the point being made That's what you get Bye That's it for them Really does a great job of showing just how fearsome they are You know how how bad it is when they show up Yeah, and it looked like they were starting to run over to they just go back to Kansas City, right? And there's going to be plenty more people to eat there. I'm just going to get overrun. Okay. Yeah Seems like the big thing as well that makes some super threatening here is that they're more organized Whereas in the original there's no like seeming like you know, which seems to be the network idea Yeah, which which helps I think I think it helps make them more threatening because it's not about just randomly bumping into Them and then you get in trouble. It seems more so like there's a potential to be overrun What's that comic book say? Endurance survive Endurance survive That's just redundant. Yeah, it's not great. Look. I don't know exactly how I'm getting to wyoming. I'm probably walking What? Last I heard he was in wyoming. We get there. We find him. We find the fireflies You know if you want to eat yeah Yeah Sounds like a good plan, man Yeah, I think it'd be nice for Shem to have a friend I'll tell him in the morning Oh Silence springy Taking stock of all the food we found today I see And how are we doing on canned peaches? Did henry send you?  Is everything all right? Everything's fine. Well Have a good night. How is it that you're never scared? Who says that i'm not What are you scared of? Scorpions are pretty creepy Being by myself I'm scared of ending up alone. What about you? Those things out there What if the people are still inside? What if they're trapped in there without any control of their body? Scared of that happening to me? Okay First of all, we're team now. Okay, we're gonna help each other out and second They might still look like people but that person is not in there anymore Henry says that they've moved on That they're with their families Like in heaven Do you think that's true?  I'll see you tomorrow I guess that's impression. She may have gotten from the fireflies. Oh not on the palm.  Yeah, look at this They only told her the nature of her importance right before they handed her off to Joel And so they may have just said like your blood is the key to the cure That's probably why she thinks this should work and then of course the first thing she did when he showed her Who was look over the other room because if Joel finds out he will shoot this kid So he'll stay awake with him to make sure he's immune too, right? That smells good Good morning Where's sam?  Are you okay? Oh my god Sam, Sam Easy, easy, easy Henry You gotta stay there Henry What what what did I do? I'm gonna get that gun for me. Okay Oh, okay. Okay. Easy Is this your fault? This is nobody's fault Henry It's all your fault Henry Henry no Yeah, that hit pretty much as hard as it does in the game Which way's west? Off they go to Wyoming Well, that was a really good episode. I like that a lot. I don't know. I guess it's five and around now Was there anything that we asked for that wasn't in there? That was basically everything that we expected and wanted and maybe a little bit more as well Uh in a few places. It's it's it is becoming increasingly clear with each successive episode What we're building up to thematically like all of the seeds are being planted with all of these stories Very deliberately that lady she was just perfectly characterized. She's yeah She's doing the thing where you when you decide there are no choices in the world There are only um what happens as a result of this other thing like you make yourself an object in the world is I think the philosophy behind it and that's what she is as a character She's decided when she talked to her with Henry, right?   Why did my brother die? Like how does that work?    I think this is the last of us two done properly this episode. Uh-oh careful. Yeah, kind of Uh, you know the the how it you know that the whole self-destruction element and you know, it can lead you to be Well, because this was what they kind of tried to do with the uh, the wlf and the the other guys, right? You're part of they Umbrelled and the fighting that they collapsed We're in this case It was a bit different than that because we've got like you've got like this very fundamentally personal conflict That is kind of like playing out here But then it all like in the face of the existential threat There's a choice before you you're gonna let this go and like work together Or are you not going to do that and then we see what happens in her case One of the hold on to her so she died One of the larger gaps in the last of us two as far as I was concerned always was that we never got to see Abby address the reasons that Joel did what he did part of the reason that happened Is because the writers went familiar with the reason why Joel did what he did Well, they hadn't figured it out. They weren't or they changed their mind. They were Yeah, they changed it.  That's what happens next. That's what I think was missing for abby The only problem is as soon as you do that it turns them into a villain. That's what they are at this point Well an antagonistic. Yeah, especially to uh to You know our team, right? The thing about Henry's choice is I I essentially get this guy killed in exchange for saving my brother It's like that's a really tough thing that all of us would have difficulty And that's that's part of the bigger point of a lot of the hard choices made in the last of this universe Who's is it's done. There's nothing you gain by killing them anymore But I have to that's what I'm doing. It's what what happens It places her firmly in the role of villain a villain whose logic you understand but a villain nonetheless And what did they do to her? They had her strung out right till the end trying to get her vengeance and it got her killed It got everyone killed and it got everybody killed and it's going to destroy that whole city Yeah, all because she desperately Can't let it go because her brother was right and they didn't listen to him the brother had to figure it out He got it. He nailed it And I guess in a certain sense you'd be like well, I guess it's really sad then that Henry having to make this choice I guess ultimately led to this and it's like, yeah, I guess it is really sad that that's that's what happens But that's what happened in the story We are building up with all of these stories perspectives on like the choices that characters can make in the apocalypse Like the difficult choices about what people choose to value and how they choose to conduct themselves And it's so clearly deliberate, especially after this episode It's so clear what they're building up to like now, especially with having that change where ellie knows that um that sam got bit And that she made something of an effort that she thought she could do at the time to try and save him And then it doesn't work instead of in the game.  This episode of convincing me.  This is so much to do with It looks really exhausted emotionally Emotionally exhausted. Yeah, he's just and by the way god damn they did some great work with henry and sam there one episode Yes, that's one episode.  No, you're not shooting my brother It's like he's look like and it takes him just a bit and then he ends up shooting him himself Like because it's then there's that moment of deke of like starting to realize what's happened Right, it was like the heat of the moment the the choice and then Takes him a little bit of time to realize. Oh, yeah, it's just like I can't do this like I can't I can't like I can't do this It was his one job and he fails. That's how we would feel about it, right? It's the same for so many characters.  He made the plan even says what did I do like in that moment? I killed sam sort of thing which applies on multiple levels. It's really good storytelling um, there's just no No, uh, no other way. I happily give this episode excellent as a as a title for quality. This was really strong There's a couple of problems. I'd say but Well, it's generally part stuff right of like non-stop headshots like the joe was pulling off Yeah, I would have Get really good when it comes to when it comes to character It's it's really really really tight. This episode was really strong by way of character We got so much and it's rag said it. I'm glad he said it first, but like, yeah, I feel feel pretty vindicated Yes Kind of I mean like I said, they're five now. Yeah, now we're all five A lot of our expectations about what this episode was going to be were realized and particularly with regard to uh, It's Kathleen right there. Yeah, Kathleen. I mean, what doesn't make sense about her at this point. Yeah, exactly We got it. We we figured it out. We Well, they even gave us the Yeah, his brother in the role on a personable and social level and bound everybody probably gave him morale She's the one that came up with the plans and executed them likely because she's much more ruthless The commentary is the characters were two halves of a whole. That's what that's like. Yes And then they went when he was lost when he died The only thing that was left was the vengeance the ruthlessness no forgiveness. No mercy and look what it did compassion And then the consequences that everything gets destroyed because there are some pretty present things in the last of us About like the interpersonal relationships But then of course more of the challenges right of like well, how much is one person's life worth to somebody What are they willing to do?  Why is that happening because they're trying to attack them lot for having killed the brother that she loved more than anything Why are they doing that? It's like well Henry killed the brother technically speaking because he tried to protect the one thing That matters to him more than anything. Yeah It all comes back to that. He has lost about two cycles of violence, but way more effective. That's what I mean. I'm sorry This is this is what they were going for maybe if they have time now and they can reformat and rethink everything They can redraw and re figure out And actually create a last last three bit functions. I mean, this is the thing I mean, how do I not have some level of confidence after seeing these five episodes? No, that's you're wrong. Malo. It could my I will forever be worried about episode nine But yep, I'm really not that worried about the next set of episodes. They could fall apart, of course In the same way In the same way that they set the mark quite high. Well, they yeah I mean, yeah, I'm just so happily invested It's just this is just a gosh darn good show at this point. I'm enjoying watching it It's a very good show It's becoming more and more difficult to talk during it to actually be able to turn this into a video Paying attention paying attention and and becoming immersed in the story Yeah, and the journeys of good characters, you know what getting a little bit tired of seeing this around It's gotta stop. Oh, all right. So here we go. How do we judge? How good acting is all right? It's it's tough We've talked about before how it could be a little bit subjective But a lot of the time there seems to be general agreement on the best and worst that's something to start with I think there's probably three major things, right? Like one Well, the general is convincing you of the emotion they're feeling, right? That's the easy sort of thing The thing is yes What can what can we get closer to maybe being able to prove because me believing in emotion is really down to Me a lot of the time or other like individuals.  I think has proven this with all the characters we've seen him play Yeah, there's that kind of range Then there's the range of how many emotions and states of being can you pull off within a single character? Anyway, and then I think the third one which is often one that a lot of actors don't get to show off because of the Writing or the direction, but how do you perform under great pressure having to perform something extreme?  They gotta stop. They have to stop Yeah, the first two episodes. I was pretty mad, but I think they finally Gave her she she really has proven that she could be a great character. Yeah episodes episodes four and five If I was to go with those three formats, right? I can't say to what she's like playing other characters Because this is the only character I've seen her play. Okay. Like uh, well, I've seen her play Joanna Mormont, I think for like five seconds in Game of Thrones.   Joe. Tell him he's okay. She's doing stressed and assertive there I would say you could say disbelief and frustration when he he doesn't do what she says Everything is great Dude Fuck and so she has to sell those like emotional states then you go, um, she's done like rage in episode one People from sedra, you hear me? Let me out.   She's done with sam in this episode Oh, man And then a lot of the playful stuff she's done with joe When she was like tearing up behind the wall And when she's talking about with joe about the life she's taken and stuff You could call that like that's like trying to portray vulnerable and like haunted shaken What we talked about how she's uh assertive and sticks up for herself with the whole Me for something that isn't my fault Like I said, it's sort of like emotional maturity But also being able to portray someone who isn't gonna allow herself to be sort of trampled over Which I think a lot of people said was like a trait that we're hoping to see Ultimately, I'd say that that's a pretty big selection of range of different emotions But then you've also got like the absolute shock and horror from um that ending sequence I think that was it for me after seeing that final scene. She's she's she's solid now I actually like her as ellie Oh, yeah, I think so it's weird because you are right in the sense that we can all pretty much align on Who the great actors are and who the terrible actors are very accurately across the spectrum? Yeah, in the middle it gets kind of gray, but I think the broad swath of actors It's generally agreed upon which ones are good and bad Even though there doesn't seem to be any sort of super hard criteria You know, are they able to convince people most of the time? Are they able to emotionally move people most of the time? Are they able to make you forget? It's an actor playing a role most of the time Seems to sort of be what is you know the thing that unites us on that the term acting is funny to me because when it's done Right, it's not really an act in a way like the emotions are real They usually a lot of actors pulled from a less than it's making the real thing in an in an artificial way in a sense Yeah, you'll have a lot of actors who unearth something from their past like the saddest moment in their life And they'll bring that energy into it like I've been on film sets where I've observed I saw this one day. I saw this actor. He was stood in the corner of a hallway and he was like crying Like he's like really sobbing. I could see his shoulders kind of moving around I'm like, is that guy okay? And everyone's like dude, just leave him alone. He's he's amping himself up for the scene He needs to get into this headspace and it's like, oh, okay. That's there. That was his process I feel like that's some people aren't they don't quite need to do that where they have to go into the corner of a room And and just block themselves off from everybody Some people are better at channeling that negative energy. Some some people can do it quite quickly Everyone has their own process But the emotions are real when the job is done, right? I think that that there would be one or maybe a selection of a couple of moments in that final sequence but especially that last reaction she has to um A lot of this show they seem to be playing with a lot of like how humans react is complicated to a lot of things But um the fact that she goes to like scream but it cuts off because It's like the gunshot plus the friend of yours committing suicide, but simultaneously it's all over And they did that with the zombies too at the end when it was all rowdy and there's the lights And they were screaming and everything and they just cuts to him in the hotel and it's just dead quiet I imagine to help with that scene like you think usually like if the camera is not on you Then they wouldn't have to set up certain things like whatever the camera is not seeing They probably had the guy who played henry there falling down even though he wasn't being filmed Just so the actress could better put himself herself in the situation where she's observing somebody kill themselves Be a bit different if somebody with a script was standing there instead.  He's dead Well, yeah, and she just stays at the body because We just went from what was a pretty good environment to everything falling apart entirely Yep, the night before things were great. I mean we I have this friend who's my age close enough We've got some traveling companions. We were able to you know, none of us are hurt things are like legitimately really looking up Like this is probably the best thing that's happened in a long time all things considered I know Pascal's great in the episode same for as we said Henry Sam and uh, I think Kathleen was pretty good as well the actress for her Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, didn't get a lot of her, but I was convinced in her villain origin scene. Yeah, that was good Yeah, and we needed it. So thanks for that Like this for me feels like the whole episode was just filled with stuff We needed just tell her the story and pretty strong as a So to speak half season finale, I guess I'm a fan and I guess six seven eight nine We shall see we are past the halfway mark. Yeah That's right. We are the majority of the story At least by slim margin and yeah so far so good. In fact just saying so far so good might be a little unfair It's been like the last few episodes have been pretty great. Yeah I've been very very pleased to the point where before we start an episode. I'm like, all right I'm ready to see what happens next. Well, I'm excited to see this episode already at this point Oh, yeah, looking forward to seeing it every week Well, three was the favorite for me then four and now five so and now it's probably five. Yeah, we imagine a lot of great work Six will come back down probably we'll well that'll be the probably the tommy episode Yes, yeah, which I guess the yeah I guess the question will be how much of a tommy's story Because they've got the the change here right where tommy's got his own sort of our troubles and problems going on Seemingly and I guess the question will be I wonder if we're going to see any of that That backstory that tommy is not so fond of of his time with joe During the uh the intervening years because he did not he does not like that time I imagine Episode six. They'll bring back the teaser. I think maybe maybe yeah Maybe we'll see like the direct aftermath of uh sarah's death like what joe's looking like for those first few days Or maybe we'll jump ahead a bit more the teaser slot really comes in handy with anything that it's like such a large time jump That it would it would be weird if they're all like connected together back to back without that buffer of the title sequence Like that flashback to jacarta It's good to have the teaser slot for a scene like that But you don't yeah, it's a good for a cold open. It's good for a uh thing that is Mockedly different from you know what the main story is or a different time like you said Yeah, so I can see them bringing back the teaser for a flashback with joe and tommy and then title sequence Back to the present. Well, and I guess the question is as well is that we're gonna see tommy's time with the fireflies We've got we're gonna have ellie and riley presumably we've got That's gotta be coming eventually and then of course you've got the david stuff. There's a lot left There's a lot left and I feel like they've uh, they've sown a lot of seeds They've done a lot of good work so far now. They gotta bring it home They gotta they gotta now the landing stick the landing When um, it's crazy to be to think that we're gonna be watching episode what like eight-ish around when mando starts The contrast way to go. We're gonna have like he's gonna be like I would like to buy some cheese Some blue space cheese. I can bring you in Dude, this is the way it's gonna be such a start This is the thing guys We've got to save for the good when it comes because we're gonna the sludge begins eventually You know the sludge is it's starting off real soon ant-man and then Ant-miss the sludge shower and lorian Yeah, well, it's because yeah because the beginning of the year has been pretty solid by way of media from video games and You know a television and films. It's been it's been really good. And I guess it's more broadly It's like how to know guys maybe give the show a little bit of credit It's very clear. There's a lot of trust issues with naughty dog and neil druckman projects That's why this is happening. Yeah, sure. But um, we're here to judge it for what it is not for who made it Yeah, it's what we always do and so far so good as as free said is an understatement. So yeah, so far so great in the game Sam doesn't show ellie his wound and like you're saying fringy It's a surprise when she wakes up in this version he shows her And she would she be so sure about her blood being the cure there on the wound that she would be Comfortable sleeping in that room. She wasn't comfortable sleeping in that room. She promised to stay awake with him and she fell asleep That's right. She wasn't the chair. Wasn't she? Yeah, you look at the way she was sitting She didn't intend to fall asleep. But that's just what happens, right? You close your eyes briefly and then you're asleep But uh, it's also yeah, you just have to believe she was sort of naive enough to think that it's as simple as a blood Transfer and she can cure a person or the very least Maybe right that she's gonna at least try something even though it's obviously probably not gonna work Yeah, it is naivety in that case like that's fine. I was just curious about it Well, exactly what was going through ellie's head. She was writers thinking there We can all agree that she would try it I think we've been character for her to try it and then she was gonna keep an eye on him And if things got worse do something but obviously and and you know, I think The reason why he didn't try to attack her earlier is the is the idea that he's actually deaf So he's just sitting there with no Necessary interaction. Oh Well, because in the game it was uh, he was standing by the window But that was because ellie wasn't in the room with him. But yeah, I think it's just she didn't mean to fall asleep. Yeah, of course Yeah, and then I can see that. Yeah Great episode.  I was riveted man like I'm uh, give me and we didn't see infected for a while But now they came back with a force and when they were all they're all running out of the ground like that It's like, oh Oh, I figure people will like this episode for that the abbey of zombies versus the soldiers We've got a nice bloater kill poor whatever his name is getting his head torn off. That was cool Yeah, which is you know, it always sounds weird, but that's neat that they gave him that role He got to do a couple things. Oh, yeah Yeah, Tommy's VA and uh, I'm pretty sure that uh, troy baker and ashley johnson Meant to be in a tomb. We haven't seen them yet. So we've still got more. Oh, and I think I'm not sure if Nolan north has a role as well They bring people back. Why they just Well, you have to this is the thing guys you kind of have to assume that's probably neil's doing probably I'm just like, hey, well, they were you know, they were part of the game So can we give him something in any case that's episode five Yep, thanks for watching everybody. Yeah, here we go Bye


Okay, good afternoon, everyone. Thank you for coming to our session this afternoon. My name is Chloe Lankford, and I'm going to start us off on this whirlwind tour of link data. Does it work? Maybe not. I may have to come back over here. Sorry. For today's presentation, we're going to try to run through all of these topics. We're going to talk a little bit about how we got started with link data, all the way through where we are today with our project, and we're going to show you what I think are some of the most compelling things to see in the world of link data, how we visualize the data and show it to users. Just to orient us to begin the presentation, we're going to present a definition here that will guide the rest of the presentation. When we talk about link data, what we're referring to is a set of best practices for publishing and linking the data. It has to be machine readable, and I get a lot of questions about link data. What is really link data all about? How do you define it? And I found that one of the ways that is helpful to think about it is thinking about upgrading our data. Data comes in all different formats. For instance, there's a website here, five-star data. You can go to this and look at the diagram. But in the nutshell, you could have, for instance, on one end of the spectrum, a scan of an Excel document with the temperature in St. Louis.  On the other end of the spectrum, you might take it out of the Excel spreadsheet altogether. You could put the spreadsheet on the web itself. You could put it in a non-proprietary format. You could assign a URI to that piece of data, and then you could link it to other temperatures elsewhere, and that would be the other end of the spectrum. So we're talking about taking our Dublin Core metadata records that are housed in our digital collections and transforming them from a lower end of the spectrum to the higher end of the spectrum. How did we get started with this? Well, we're a small digital collections department, but we were very interested in what we heard in the conferences and the buzz about linked data, so we decided to dig a little bit deeper. We formed a study group, and we decided after studying the topic, let's try it. And I'd like to emphasize today that we want you to leave this presentation feeling like you can do linked data too. If we can do it, you can do it. Why would we want to do this in the first place? The main reason is that our data is trapped. It lives inside records, which live inside collections. It's very hard to show users the links that are existing, the relationships that are existing between those records, those collections across different people's collections. We have to manually show people those links right now, and that just isn't an ideal situation. So what we're hoping is by showing you an alternative through linked data that we can do something different. We can free our metadata from the silos that it lives in. We can expose those types of relationships. We can then link things together seamlessly, and our users can start to discover things in really compelling ways. Not only will they have more precise search results, but we can repurpose the data, and they can repurpose the data in all sorts of very interesting ways. So sometimes you have to make the case for linked data. You have to make the case for a new initiative. So here's the problem we face. Right now we have very rich metadata that exists in Dublin Core Records that when they are harvested, that richness is lost. Then the harvesters may produce linked data, but it's not reflecting the full richness of our records. So we decided we wanted to try to create linked data that preserved that richness. We see a lot of theory about linked data in the world, but there isn't a recipe on how to do this. It's a little bit difficult to know how to get started, and there aren't a lot of projects to reference to tell you how to do it. It also takes a bit of a paradigm shift for us to think beyond the record, to think in a post-record world where we embrace, you know, URIs and different sorts of data representations. But we find that this is very exciting, even though it's very uncertain. So right now, we're from Las Vegas. We work at the University of Nevada, Las Vegas, and so we have a picture here of Frank Sinatra for you. This is an example of starting to pick apart a metadata record and turn it into something going towards linked data. This image, this photograph, has lots of rich information in it. This is just a very small picture of what we might start to extract from the photograph. Frank Sinatra has a profession, entertainer. The photograph was created by the Las Vegas News Bureau. You sort of see where we're going with this. These are all just graphical representations of things we know about the photograph. But that's just one record amongst many collections that we have in our digital collections. Not only do we have collections with Frank Sinatra, we also have showgirl costume designs. We have a casino architecture collection. We have all sorts of collections that connect to each other, but users don't necessarily know that, and they wouldn't necessarily go to each collection to find those relationships on their own. So hidden in between all of those connections are relationships between different things. And what we decided is when we started to map out all of our items and how they might be deconstructed, that there were a compelling number of connections that people couldn't find. So we decided that we would develop a project. And the project was to study how feasible is it for us to create a process that would allow us to convert our collection records into linked open data, keeping the richness of the Dublin Core metadata that we create, and then allowing us to learn how to publish it into the linked data cloud and ultimately test it with users so they could see this new experience and discoverability. So this is how we started our project. I'm going to hand it over to my colleague Sylvia, also from UNLV, and she's going to talk about implementation. Okay, so here we are with this idea and where to start, right? One of the first things we did is a very deep analysis of what was available for us to go from our records to linked data. And most what we found were open source tools. And after researching all this software, we kind of pre-select the ones we are going to use. And this is a very, very high simplification of the phases of the system. So here I'm just talking about three of them. So in phase one, we realized we needed to clean our data inside Content DM. It's our content management system. We need to clean it. And there were various things we needed to do and I'm going to talk about them. After cleaning the data, we export it in a spreadsheet and import it in a new software called Open Refine. It's an open source software that is created to manage data or to transform one kind of data in another kind. Anyway, so we import the data to this system. We prepare the data and I'm going to show some examples of this. We reconcile the data. So when we use control vocabularies that are well known like Library of Congress, how we can reconcile that with bringing from the Library of Congress that nowadays has URIs, unique identifiers for each one of the terms how we can bring that to our system. And then we generate linked data that are triples. Did you talk about triples? Yeah, triples are how we express the data in linked data world. And then we export that linked data in order to publish it. So the third phase is to import data into publish. And for that one, we use a different software called Mugara or Virtuoso. Okay, in order to clean the data within Content DM, the things that we have done is to have metadata elements common across all our collections. We use well-defined CVs, control vocabularies. For those terms that we want to use or for those names that we have for names that show in our photos or some historic name, if they are not in the Library of Congress, we then create local control vocabularies. But we needed to share those control vocabularies across all collections so that we can identify the same person in one time with one particular unique identifier. So in the phase two, then after we cleaned the data, we prepare reconcile that is to bring the URIs, generate, triple, and export. We use the open refine, which is a server which can communicate with other datasets using the HTTP protocol. And we can generate the triples that we need for linked data using this particular software. So I'm going to show you just a few examples of things. The first one is when we import the spreadsheet from our digital collections to the open refine. And it appears very much as a spreadsheet where the columns are the content and here are the type of metadata elements that we have. This system has a very nice feature which are the facets. So for example, here I have the generate terms and on the left side I have the actual terms appearing in a facet. I'm sure you can't read it, but the terms are grouped together separate by semicolon. That is a problem for linked data. We need each term by itself. So there is another function in open refine that will split both the values and you say that the mutual values are separated by a character. In this case would be a semicolon. And then if you do again the facet, the terms will be all separated. So it really allows you to do a lot of manipulation and preparation of the data to be transformed into linked data. The other thing I just mentioned is the fact that it can reconcile with some of the control vocabularies that are out there like the Library of Congress, authority files. And for this we created a reconcile service. We put information about where the system should go to get the information about the unique identifier of the terms and these are when we fill in this form. So once we create reconcile service, then we started in a particular column. In this case here we're using graph elements, the TGM, which is the source of graph materials we use. And so we reconcile with this control vocabulary. So here is the result. And here you can see this indicates that there was a full reconciliation and we are able to bring the unique identifiers of those terms to our system. Okay, so now we cleaned the data and we reconcile and now we needed to start transforming it into linked data. But how are we going to do that? If I'm going to create triples which is subject, predicate and object, what language I'm going to use, what terms I'm going to use. This is why we adopt a data model. And this comes from the Europeana. It's a consortium that created a model to generate linked data. With that model we mapped to our elements, digital elements that we have. For example, we know that if we have title, we want to create a triple using DC title. I mean it's the title that was defined within the doubling core element set. So we are not going to go into details of this, but the idea is that you have an idea that we adopt a model to make the transformation between our metadata to linked data. So in order for the system to create linked data, we need to express that mapping into a skeleton. They call it a skeleton. And here it is. In this first column, this is a way for us to create unique identifier for each unique material that we are describing. And here, for example, is the mapping. In our collection, we have, for example, a description of the photograph of the material that we are dealing with. And so we mapped that to DC doubling core creation. So this map, once we have a model, this map is not difficult to develop. Okay. As we create that map, we can verify the triples that have been created. I know you can't see it, but basically it says, if I'm talking about description, it says the identification of the photograph, let's say it's the subject. The predicate is the DC description, and then the description itself. This is what is shown here in this triple. So the system creates the triples for you as long as you make the right mapping. Once we create triples for all our metadata, then we are going to export those files that are now leaked data. And so we did those two phases, and now we are in the third phase of the process. In the third phase, we are going to import that leaked data in some place, and it is called the triple stores, where they obviously manage triples. Then we publish and we can query them. So I'm sorry. So in the phase three, we import the data, publish, and query, and for that we use a system called Mugaya, and it's very simple. You just upload the file that you created with your leaked data. And this is wonderful triples that we created. The only reason I'm showing to you is to tell you that in here, so this is a triple, in here we have URIs or unique identifiers from Europeana, GBPDA, GeoNames, and Library of Congress. What that reflects in the result of our leaked data is that we are already creating a link with all those other control vocabularies. Okay, now we got to all those triples, and now how can we use this? What is the advantage of using this? We are in the exploration phase of the project at this point, but we are going to show to you a few visualization tools that we have used. And we are going to start with the open-link virtual pivot viewer. Then we will show you Ralph Finder and Jeffy. These are three open-source systems. So the open-link viewer, what is nice about it is that it's very good for images to show images instead of showing the triples with the URI. It shows images. And for that, in order to show the image, we needed to pre-select which images we want to show. And that goes through a Sparkle query. Sparkle is a language specific for the Padawis triples. And it allows us to also refine what we are seeing through the facets. And another interesting thing about it, once we create a query, we can make the result of that query a collection, a dynamic collection. So let's see how it works. And please have it into your mind that this is not for users to do. We would never do this, but this is what is behind the scene. So we can create those Sparkle queries for the user. And let's go to the... So as the... they told us that probably we would not have very good internet connection, so we created a few videos to show the work that we did with the pivot viewer. Okay, yeah, let's go. So this is what is behind the scene. And what we are going to show is the design of... custom design of showgirls. So here are the all... showing the images of the custom designs that were selected. And whenever we are interested in one particular design, we can select it. We'll select this one. And then on this side, we have all the metadata that we created in our collection. But now they are triples, but we still can bring them here. I feel we are looking for a different... a different custom design. And again, here comes all the information that we created as metadata report. Now we are using facets on this side. And here we are selecting the creator. And then it brings all the custom design of that creator that is the set. Now select a different creator and showing all the designs of the other creator. And now we go to subject and select everything that has hats. And here are the custom that have hats. And now gloves. It's a very nice example. And robes. Okay. And again, whenever we select one, we can see all the information right there. The other feature is right on the top. We select creator and then set create the columns with the image for each creator. So here we show. And obviously, we can zoom it so we can see better the images. And this was a selection of one particular creator and then it undoed the columns and then just that creator. And then again, subjects and creating the columns for subjects because you can put all the subjects here. It creates like a range of subjects. That is in alphabet order. And so we can refine, refine to a point where we find something that interests like this custom design that have feathers and so on. I think that's probably it. Right? So this is one of the possible views and what I think it is interesting is that what we have behind us are those triples and how we can get to this. The other one is more a system that allows us to explore relationships and among people and among things. We'll see two examples of them. This first example comes from an oral history of African Americans in Las Vegas and what we did here is we looked into their interviews and we saw which names they talk about and what people they talk about and what was the relationship with those people. So here... I'm trying to stop. So here we are just adding the names of the people that we want to see the relationships among them and find relationships and here is Ruby Duncan and Helen Toland and there are two relationships here and when we click and in that or this it shows on the left side the information about those people. And to see this particular there is a relationship that is known by... Let me see. Duncan has a record in the Library of Congress we just saw and this is a relationship that involves someone else. So that is a friend of this which is a friend of this person. So now we added someone else into the relationship to look for a relationship and that doesn't... It's not a part of it. It just came. And... Okay. And now the system is adding that third person and then bringing all the relationships that it found in the collection. Looks like a life kind of animal, right? So the relationships that we create are friend of, known by reputation, colleague of. There is a control vocabulary that it's just relationships. From here we can see when this was clicked it was related to many people. And in particular Eva this one is the person more that has more relationships. So we understand that probably this is not much for the regular user but maybe for a researcher that is looking into this community and might find it interesting to find the relationships. And again for each node we click we get information about the person. I think that's it. Okay. Yeah, the second... The second example we are going to show here is not much... The relationship is not much as this type where the person knows the other or the one but the relationship is because they are in the same photograph for example. So it's a different kind of relationship. So, yeah, we can start. And here our most famous person Frank Sinatra the relationship between Frank Sinatra and Dean Martin in our collection. And here we go. So if you see this number here means that we brought it from Library of Congress. So here it's creating the relationship. You can see that what relate them are photographs. Okay. So, and the other interesting thing is when we when we click on Frank Sinatra the information that you are seeing here comes from Libypedia because we made a relationship with Libypedia which is the Libypedia. The same thing with Dean Martin and Dean Martin also has a Library of Congress connection to Library of Congress which allows in the future when someone else create data Dean Martin using the Library of Congress idea it will be connected with us. And now we didn't put a person but we did we included a sense of talent for Sinatra. So what are the relationship between Frank Sinatra, Dean Martin and the sense of talent for Sinatra. So this is why I try to relationships among things. Here while between Sinatra and Dean Martin a lot of the relationships is through photographs here there is a show, it felt fullies that link them to the sense of talent. Unfortunately this screen was was too small to show all these relationships. So when you say this is a relationship through a photograph you see the photograph there and see who is who in that photograph. The other thing when we click in the sense of talent information that came there came from Wikipedia. This is all because we use the same URI the unique identifier in dbpedia and our collection. The idea of showing this to you might be a little confusing just for you to have ideas of the kind of thing you can do with linked data and I think we are not even close to explore all possibilities but this were just right away when we create the triples we are able to plug in some of those visualization system that show us that kind of relationship. So the last one is Jeffy we have been playing with Jeffy but for and this is very good to show relationship. It has a much more sophisticated interface and also we are working with it and get to a point that we wanted to show so we are showing one example of the linked data no, linked jazz. Have you seen this? This is a very nice using Jeffy it is about the jazz musicians and their interrelationships so here I am just clicking through the names of them and show who they are interrelated to. That particular one if we click that one which is Mary Lou then the system rearranges and put her in the middle as center and then all the the other musicians that are related to her. So again selecting this one this person will be in the middle and the relationship with her will be shown it is kind of a selected this is an option you could also go through the names of them and select the name you want to see what the relationship is there and or you can search for this case we are searching for and then we are searching for other people to see what other musicians to see what are the relationships in the holiday but anyway it is very dynamic I think it is very interesting in this project which is this project is developed by the the Pratt Institute in New York and what I thought was interesting is that besides creating this network of people they also are asking the crowd to tell them what kind of relationship exists between those musicians so that they can add the specific kind of relationship that they do not show here okay so we are at this point in the project just exploring those transition tools and we are transforming our digital collections into linked data we are evaluating alternative interfaces like the ones I showed we are creating freezing the linkage with other data sets but because this is very important so that the users can actually go beyond the context that we have we are preparing to publish our collection into the linked open data as linked open data we are planning for this this coming this semester to I mean the fall semester to start developing an interface that would integrate our data with other data sets with similar data and we intend to produce a cost benefit analysis to inform future plans for the development of our collections okay this is a project implemented and managed by two busy librarians and we talk about this because it's not just for technological people that it's so focused on technology we could do it with a mix of all our tasks that we do as librarians we didn't have any particular model to follow and we started experiment as much as possible and evaluating what was available for us there so we understand that with interest and motivation it is a feasible goal to create metadata oh I'm sorry create linked data and the benefits seem quite interesting we are still exploring the benefits of it okay and thank you if you have any questions


I'm gonna show you a clip from one of the coaching calls that I had with a basketball skills trainer that I've been working with, his name is Brandon. And you'll kind of just see some of our conversation. We're talking about sales and talk about promotions. This is kind of a quicker sort of video here, but if you're watching this and you want some advice and you wanna grow your business, take me up on this. All you have to do is text me at this number here and I can set up a coaching call with you and me where I can look at your business, I can ask you questions and try to give you some guidance on how to grow and scale your company. So if you're a skills trainer and basketball or any other sport out there, doesn't matter at this point, we specialize in helping coaches from every sport grow their training business. So if you wanna take me up on that, again, shoot me a text at that number there and enjoy this conversation. Yeah, about 18 clients. Good man. So I've been trying to maintain the clients I have currently and give them better results just on phone calls. Anything, phone calls, I've been pretty good. I do pretty good with the phone calls. I think I can sell it. I have those, I use that script every time. Good man. That works well. And I have my program set up and then I'll do the upfront offers with it as well. Good. This is a little update. That makes a lot of sense here. I got a lot of clients in my email list that I need to re-engage with. Dude, we can crush it over the next two weeks. Easy. We just gotta get the right message to them at the right time. And doing that sooner, it's gonna be better than doing it later in the summer because when the summer starts, everybody's busy. They're out of the plans. We can attack that now. And I can help you with like the messaging piece. Like, I can help you with that inside the community if you want. Yeah, the thing I see is like, I see this across the board with the coaches that I'm working with right now. If that's like a consistent thing that you do throughout the year and we have different promotions, like you'll never have a month where you're not adding clients. The goal is to be able to keep the clients in the program. So you're building on your recurring income. That way you're not like getting new people, losing people. It's you're towards keeping everyone who's in there and just adding that on top of the base that you have. But now that makes a lot of sense with the promotion. Re-engage them through email, text, social media and get more clients coming in this summer. Yeah, that'd be big. Yeah, I can go. If you like tag me inside the members area, I'll be able to help you with that personally. So that way you get calls from those emails. You get calls from the texts. Like it's geared towards getting more phone calls because I see right now that's where like, that's where you move the needle with your businesses.  So at that point, it's just about getting more people to a call, close them faster and having them messaging geared towards getting people to a call. Because that's where you thrive right now. That makes sense. Getting more people to a call, having certain amount of sales calls. Yep. And converting on them. Yep. That makes sense. Yeah, that way we have a set goal of, here's how many calls that you want to achieve by this time. And then from there, it's all about numbers. Like, I did this with a coach two weeks ago, but his goal was he wanted to have 16 calls in one week. And based off of his numbers, he knows that he's gonna close like right around 40 to 50% of people. And with his offer, he had it set up for eight people. So only eight got to take his offer. So he knew if he had 16 calls, he's gonna meet his number of selling eight units. And he was selling an upfront thing for a year. Like, I mean, he did very, very well with that, but he had to hit his goal of sales calls. Otherwise, he's not gonna hit his financial target. Any other, anything else you wanna chat about? Updates this year. I'm gonna look more into trying to build that facility. So I'm gonna be moving currently. So I'm gonna try to see if I can get on the smaller facility. Yeah, this is kinda keep jumping on Zoom calls. And I'm gonna just keep getting in the app, asking questions. Good, man. I love it. Awesome.