Children, Petri dishes of disease. I had my little 10 month old niece here a little while ago and she was kind of boogery, but it worked out, it was all right. What does that mean kind of boogery? She was a little, you could tell she was in the house. Measily. Having one of her early, you know, let's build that immune system moments and a little smeary little boogery and we got her cleaned up, she was all right. Yeah, did it infect you? I thought, well, I hope this isn't, I don't know about, you know, I mean, like, hopefully I've run into this before so I don't get something cold now. My goal is just not to be sick in Vegas next month. That's all I care about. I want to be well and not coughing on everybody.  That's no fun. You've done that before. That's the first time I met you in person. That was the worst. But even, I mean, I'll take a minor cold, but this flu is so bad right now, I'm terrified of getting it, I don't want it. You mean black lung? Black lung. A minor cold? I think it's called a black plague. No, see, he was making a minor joke. I get it. Yeah, what does age have to do with disease? I'll be here all the week. All the week. Daily Tech News Show, helping each other not understand. Yep. Helping each other misunderstand. It's a minor sickness. Oh, you should go to a pediatrician instead. Why? Do they sit? No, nevermind. Even I thought that was too dumb. That's something. Well, you should write it down so you know, this is the threshold, which I want. Right, this is my line. I was going to go somewhere with Pedialyte. It just didn't work.  We ended up not really using any of it. Pedialyte. Oh my gosh, I haven't heard that in a while. This is a gatorade for kids. Mm-hmm. A friend of mine drinks Insurer, like Vitamins. And it was funny because the other day, you know, 30-something, the other day, he was like, I have to go to Walgreens and get, and what I heard was insurance. I was like, What? For like a healthcare thing? And he was sort of like, what? What are you talking about? Well, what I love is clarification was that he was buying Insurer. And you're like, okay, that's weird. Yeah, because I was like, like, you have to buy insurance at Walgreens? That's weird. I love that. Yeah. Yeah. Good stuff. Yeah, and like he was like, he kind of popped up in the top like, who doesn't drink Insurer? It's like really, really healthy and I'm like. No, that's the attitude you take if you drink Insurer is like, my only defense is to pretend that everyone does it. All right. I mean, unless you are of an age that it is appropriate, but. Yeah. I mean, like for someone in their 30s to drink Insurer. Yeah. Without any kind of medical need, I guess. I get a person to have it on their teeth. Does he have what? On their teeth, like sometimes people drink. He has his teeth. Yeah. Yeah, I guess I should say like, if you drink Insurer in your 30s because of a medical necessity, that's not weird. But if you're just like, I just choose to drink Insurer. No reason. I think there are people in the world who are like full of vitamins, more fun than a vitamin. And sure it is. And I was like, because they have gummy vitamins now. And they don't like those. They break those vitamins. Oh, they're so good. Gummy vitamins. I love gummy vitamins. I don't think they work there. I don't know if they're really doing me much good. I hope they are. I like. All right. It's 130. Oh, that's perfectly 30 where you are, Scott. This is good. I like it. Let's do it. Here we go. The Daily Tech News Show is brought to you by its global listener base, not outside organizations. To find out how you can contribute, go to DailyTechNewsShow.com slash support. This is the Daily Tech News for Wednesday, March 14th, 2018 from the US headquarters in Los Angeles. I'm Tom Aaron. And from Studio Feline. I'm Sarah Lane. And from the sunny Salt Lake City, at least till Sunday. I'm Scott Johnson. It's good to be back in our appropriate places again. Happy to have you back, Tom. I've got so many thank yous. Thank you to Brian Brushwood for letting me use his studio. Thank you to you guys for filling in on my travel days. Thanks to the audience for being awesome and just always being there. And of course, to my mother. Oh, I love that. Thank you, Mrs. Merritt. I hope she's listening. She's not. My brother is, though. So, Tim, if you can text mom to her, thank her. Thanks. Rob producer, Roger Chang held down the fort from here one of the days that we were gone. How's it going, Roger? I'm alone in the weather, but otherwise it's good. All right, we need to get through this then. Roger, you can do it. Hang in there. Let's start with a few tech things you should know. Broadcom has officially withdrawn its offer to acquire Qualcomm after US President Trump issued an order to block the proposed merger. Broadcom has also withdrawn it proposed sale of directors for Qualcomm. Broadcom will continue its plans to move its official headquarters from Singapore to San Jose. Currently, it was joint headquarters to just San Jose, making it a US company. Walmart announced it's expanding its grocery delivery service from six cities to more than 100 markets. Oh my gosh, that's all by the end of the year. Walmart currently uses Uber and Deliv for deliveries, but says it will add more partners as it expands. Instacart has been adding more grocery partners in advance of losing its tie-up with Amazon's whole foods, because now Amazon owns them. And Target recently acquired SHIPT, that's S-H-I-P-T. Yeah, if you order pants from Target, they will SHIPT your pants, do you? Google said Wednesday it will no longer accept advertisements for unregulated or speculative financial products. Now, some of those are weird financial things like binary options and stuff. But cryptocurrency and ICOs count too. So no more ads for cryptocurrency on Google. In a separate announcement, Google said it has removed 3.2 billion ads that violated its policies in 2017. That's double the number it reported in 2016. They're pitching it as an improvement in enforcement. You could also look at it as like, wow, there's a lot of scams out there. No more DTNS or DailyTechnyShow.com ads for pushing me toward Dogecoin. No, never had it, never will. Let's actually talk a little more about France. All right, I like France. France is cool. Patrick comes from France, another DTNS favorite. Finance Minister Bruno Le Maire said Wednesday that France will take legal action against Google and Apple for their treatment of developers. Le Maire said it is unacceptable that the companies, in this case, impose prices, take data, and can unilaterally, rather, rewrite contracts. A similar investigation of Amazon is being reviewed by a tribunal, which always sounds scarier than it is. Anyway, the companies could face fines in the millions of euros. Yeah, so the upshot of this is they're trying to protect developers. You have a choice. You can develop for Android or you can develop for iOS. And they're saying, look, both of them say you have to give a certain data. Both of them set limits on what you can charge. And both of them have terms of service that they can change at any time without getting your consent. So France is gonna say that's not okay. Well, also, I shouldn't say most apps, I don't know what the breakdown is, but it seems like these days, if you are really pushing to get your app out there, you're building it for both platforms. So in theory, you could burn that candle on both ends and they see that as a bit of a bummer for the developers. Yeah, and Google and Apple, I mean, they could tell you like, well, if you don't like it, develop for somebody else. But I mean, effectively Google and Apple, as far as the mobile market is, are all you have. Speaking of development, the new Raspberry Pi 3 Model B Plus comes with a 1.4 gigahertz quad core processor, Bluetooth 4.2 dual band Wi-Fi. Wi-Fi also has modular compliance or tidification making it for products that uses a Pi to get certified for Wi-Fi. The Raspberry Pi 3 Model B Plus sells for 35 bones. That should be making it easier to get that certification. Yeah, no, no, couldn't. Because right now, if you use a Raspberry Pi in another product, then you have to go through the certification from scratch, but because it has the modular certification, you can put Raspberry Pi in and then submit it saying, I'm using the Pi 3 Model B Plus check mark, right? That just simplifies things. Well, I don't know if anyone else has this problem, but I feel like I need to make a quick confession. I have lots of cool ideas for a Raspberry Pi integration into one thing or another, and I keep thinking I'm going to do a project and then I kind of wait and wait and wait. And one of these came about, I won't even describe what it is, it'll take too long, but I thought, all right, I'm going to get myself a Raspberry Pi. I finally did it. And then I sat on that thing, spent, I don't know, whatever they were, 65 bucks, because I had a bunch of other stuff with it. And I sat on that thing and here we are again, another revision, a revision I would probably want for the project I'm doing. I wonder how many other listeners are like me. You want to get in on this DIY stuff, but you just... Well, what was the reason that you kind of abandoned the project? I didn't really abandon it. I just have too many. And I realized also the time passed in such a way that was almost imperceptible. So now here I stand, all brokenhearted with a Raspberry Pi not B Plus and it bums me out a little bit to hear that this is out. But what do I expect? This is progress. Things get iterated on. I should have known this going in, but now I'm wondering if I should... I mean, the Model B is still certainly fine. You don't get that certification advantage.  I think the bigger concern is that you said DIY. Maybe that's why you're not doing it yourself. Do yourself in is what I'm saying. Right? I mean, that was the problem the whole time. You don't want to do yourself in, Scott. Not okay. Do it yourself. Now, you know, the motto here, I don't know if we ever even mentioned this on the show, but on the website, it says helping each other understand. So folks, two things I'd like to hear from, we're the Clearinghouse. We're leading the conversation, but let us know if you've got a cool Raspberry Pi project, send it in to us. And if you've got tips for Scott, that'll be like, oh, the thing you need to do to get yourself going is this. Feedback at DailyTechNewsShow.com. Help us, Scott, out. Microsoft has developed translation software. It says, can translate Chinese news stories to English just as well as a human can. You can try it out at translate.ai. Microsoft used deep neural networks to train the software with dual learning system that reversed the translation to see how well it did. It also did some reverse translations in another method to sort of check its results. It used something called deliberation networks, which kind of mimics the way we revise our writing. Where you do like a first draft and then you read it over and you're like, oh, that's not right. That's not right. It's a machine learning version of that. There were a couple other methods that Microsoft detailed in their blog post. The claim for quality is based on a test they did of a recently introduced standard called News Test 2017, which is focused on news stories. So Microsoft isn't trying to claim they've solved translation, but they're saying, hey, we did really well on this standard test that was released at a conference recently. And so we're excited about applying this method to other things to see how well we can do. But this whole thing got me thinking about the conversation we had last week about if you were to get rid of social networks and only get your news from print, right? Or whatever the print magazines and newspapers were offering. And I also sort of loved the idea of saying like, okay, well, if translation were to be pretty rock solid, what if I were to get all of my news from Chinese newspapers for the next week? What would it seem like? What would the spin be? All of that stuff. And up until now, I would say that the, the issue with me trying to do that is that it wouldn't translate appropriately. Yeah, you could get- But if it's as good as a human, I'd be willing to try. You could get the English language versions of some of these sites, but some of them don't have it. Like especially if you go backwards with translation, like sometimes you're like, that actually isn't quite right. But Microsoft's saying, no, it's as good as like a very skilled human as far as bilingual stuff goes. Yeah, on these common news story tests too. So again, they're not trying to claim too much here, but yeah, it could open up a whole world of Korea. Well, I'm assuming they could apply it to other languages. So let's stick with Chinese. Like there's all these Chinese sources, not just in China, but in Hong Kong, in Taiwan, that maybe they have an English language publication, but maybe not all the most interesting stories are in that publication. So very cool. The world is mourning the death of physicist Stephen Hawking, who died early on March 14th at his home in Cambridge in the UK. Hawking survived with a motor neuron disease for 54 years. Also discovered that black holes leaked something now called Hawking radiation and with Serge Roger Penrose developed the Penrose Hawking theorems relating to relativity and gravity. He also appeared on The Simpsons, Futurama and Star Trek The Next Generation. He was beloved by all.  Oh, yeah, before his time. And others, if you're a big Star Trek fan, Leonard Nimoy's passing was a hard thing and all that. This one really, really got me. And I think it is because this is a man who for most of his life couldn't move, couldn't speak without assistance, yet did so much more than most of us can ever claim to do by the time we turn 90 and finally kick off this mortal coil. And that's incredible enough. But at the same time, he had a sense of humor he would do like he said, he'd show up on The Simpsons, he'd show up on Star Trek. It was a great episode of Star Trek where he played himself once in The Next Generation and Futureama and others. Like he's, he wasn't afraid to sort of put himself out there in that way. And it's just unlike anyone I've ever known. So it really, really knocked me over last night when I got the news. It was serious bummer. Yeah, we got more than 50 years of Stephen Hawking the doctors didn't expect. So I, I, that's what I keep trying to tell myself is like, how lucky are we that he made it? That he survived, that we got the advantage of his brain working on these problems. He will certainly be missed, but well done. Good life, Stephen Hawking. Yep. I would agree. As Ars Technica tells us, Samuel Axon, he's from Ars Technica, I should say, put together a story covering Apple SVP, Eddie Q's interview at South by Southwest. That's where Tom was, sort of. Axon points or Axon rather points out that in the most recent earnings report, CEO Tim Cook, that is Apple's Tim Cook, identified services as a division ripe for doubling that being revenue in 2020. That's just a couple of years folks. They want to double their services revenue and Q discussed the importance to Apple of curation, both regarding stories that appear in Apple news as well as in its video strategy, focusing on acquiring quality programming heard so much about lately. Apple used to be fine losing money on software and services just as long as it moved hardware units. You guys think that's changing? Yeah. It still is a hardware company, certainly, but, and we talked about the acquisition of Texture, the online magazine that Apple is using to sort of beef up the idea like, if you're at Apple, you know, you're not going to see pornography. We have a certain amount of free speech is great and everything, but this is a certain standard that we've decided as an entity we represent and that's what you're going to get with us. That's not hardware. I, you know, look at Apple music and how much it's grown over the last year. I mean, Spotify is still the bigger competitor, but like Apple really cares about original content. You know, it's a little hit and miss right now. How much of it is going to be successful, but the company is clearly going into the services arena harder than ever before. Yeah, I mean, we are certainly seeing the change happen. It's, I don't think the change is there. I wouldn't look at the next Apple earnings report and just discount all the hardware sales, right? But the conventional wisdom used to be it doesn't matter what iTunes does. It doesn't matter what iCloud does in the bottom line. What matters is, did they sell the iPhones? Did they sell the Max? And that is changing. And I think it'll be interesting to see how Apple deals with that change because in the past, they could do things that were costly, that were not in their best interests in the bottom line of the content for the sake of selling the devices. And I've been looking at their TV efforts that where they've been signing these big names and writing these big checks for high level, high quality programming and thinking, well, are they gonna be able to sell enough Apple TVs to justify that? It sounds to me like that is no longer the only calculation they're making which changes what I expect them to do with this content. I was half expecting to have them say it'll all be available for free if you have an Apple TV, an iPhone or a Mac. I doubt that's the case if they're shifting into services. I think they're also, I mean, this is just my own little pet theory, but I think that their chief competition in mobile, that being Google, you could argue that services sell the devices like Google services are why people get a Google phone or Google-based phone. And in some cases, the reason people get an iPhone is because they like Apple hardware, but they really like Google services and thankfully Google's putting most of those services and nicely made apps on that platform as well. At some point, they have to think about the kind of services they wanna create to drive people to their hardware. So I don't see this as a moving away from hardware focus. I just see this as a reciprocal loop they would like to create where the weakness currently is in services and software. I agree. Yeah. Certainly. Yes, I agree as well. To get more of the tech headlines each day in about five minutes, subscribe to dailytechheadlines.com. All right, I'm still getting used to that. Okay, so let's talk about the idea that workers, not just at YouTube, although this is going to be the focus of our story, but workers in general have to deal with the limitations of AI by employing companies employing actual people to look at objectionable slash traumatic slash very disturbing content as a job. They get paid for it, but with some repercussions. Workers employed to sift through and remove disturbing content on YouTube specifically now will be limited to doing that for four hours per day and no more, obviously not a full-time job. We've talked about the idea of this happening at various companies, Facebook is another one where the AI, the algorithm is not good enough to completely get it away from the rest of us. So there are human people employed at least on a temporary measure to keep it away from the rest of us. And the more that I thought about this and this is sort of like a very dramatic way to look at it, but I think about the idea of like, okay, if robots are, we create them to keep stuff away from the rest of us that are so detrimental that they will hurt the human existence, but they don't work.  Why are some people sacrificed as the humans that are deserved to have all of that on their shoulders to keep it away from the rest of us? And it kind of like reminds me of some dystopian ideas and I just wanted to get a sense from you guys before I get too deep into this on how far off base I might be. I mean, this is fascinating to me because what this shows, well, A, and simply machines can't tell, they don't know. I mean, we can kind of tell. There's a pattern recognition, we go, okay, well, that's a body part and that shouldn't be here. And we're pretty good at doing that, but also standards change and some find it incredibly offensive that somebody would do a video of them spouting off certain ideals or religious things or something, but somebody sitting right next to them may have a completely different view on those things and not find that stuff offensive at all. And so I get that this is complicated and I also get why it requires people. The part about this that I think people are missing and just in conversations I've had is a lot of people think that, well, how is this really traumatic? It's the internet, people are used to it. And if all day you spend looking at stuff, you know what's bad and what's good and what's according to the guidelines. So you just delete it here and delete it there and accept what's good and what isn't. But having a sister who's a professional psychologist, she would tell me that that has this long-term erosive corrosive effect on those who have to sit through it. And I think that's my point, Scott, is like it's not like quantitative, it's qualitative. Like saying, hey, nobody should do this for eight to nine hours a day, which would be a full-time job. Four hours, let's make sure that they aren't exposed to too many bad things. I think that's missing the points. I think the fact that anybody would be employed to take on trauma that the sort of general humanity line cannot deal with is potentially very disturbing. Yeah, and I- There are equivalent kinds of professions, right? Where we have people exposed to things that most of us couldn't handle. And they're either trained for it or they build up their ability for it. I mean, just think of doctors. For those who are not trained for it, they're trained for it. And they're trained for it. Just think of doctors for the least controversial version. They have to see things happen and people have to go through things and agonize constantly. So I think that part isn't unprecedented. What's unprecedented is the other two parts of this, which is for the purpose of YouTube selling ads, not saving lives, right? And part-time contractors who aren't Google employees. These are part of... Google is one of many big companies that hire large contractors who provide a large section of their workforce so that they don't have to pay benefits to them. Now, the contractor companies- Without those health benefits, particularly mental health benefits might be really important for this sort of thing. But the contractors pay benefits. It's often said like Google doesn't pay them benefits implying that they don't get any benefits at all. The contractor company pays them benefits. They just aren't as good and the mental health point is very well taken. A lot of times, cheaper health plans don't have as good a coverage on mental health benefits. So I look at this and it makes me think at a higher level that what we're seeing in many of these situations, this fake news, et cetera, is the consequence of companies like Google and Facebook pretending to be part of the open web, taking advantage of the open web. As an example, YouTube adding Wikipedia links as a fact-checking item without talking to Wikipedia, taking advantage of that open web, but without engaging in the open web. So they wall off part of it and say, well, we'll take advantage of the open web where it benefits, we'll close things off where it doesn't, and then you end up with them trying to come up with a paste-over solution, because if you have a truly open system, it doesn't concentrate things as much as what happens with YouTube. YouTube grows as big as it does, Facebook grows as big as it does because it takes advantage of the benefits of a closed system, not just an open system, and then the open system self-correction mechanisms don't work anymore and they're trying to fake it up now. I think that the comparison to what a doctor might see is it kind of works and it kind of doesn't. As a doctor, it's like if I get terminally ill and you have to deal with the repercussions of that and that's a lot of, that's very heavy stuff. What people have to deal with for four hours a day maximum, looking at YouTube videos, and again, lots of other platforms have similar issues, which is content that is specifically made to cause trauma to humans. That's different to me. Yeah, that's weaponized, right? Yeah. Yeah. Well, thanks to everybody who participates in our subreddit. You can submit stories and vote on them at dailytechnewshow.reddit.com, facebook.com.com, slash group slash Daily Tech News Show. These are just a couple of the ways that we try to carry on this conversation and help each other understand this. We're not the experts in all of this stuff. We're just leading the conversation and we need you to join it as well. Have another of Chris Christensen's Wonderful Tech and Travel Minutes starting now. This is Chris Christensen from Amateur Traveler with another Tech in Travel Minute. You may have noticed recently that the airlines have been cracking down on batteries that are in checked bags. In fact, if you have one of those new fancy bags that has a battery built in, some airlines like Delta will not let you check that bag. You can only check a bag with a removable battery and then you need to remove the battery.  It had one of those external batteries for recharging a cell phone and it got too hot and the bag caught fire. It didn't cause all that much damage to the plane but if it had been in the luggage compartment that could have been a much, much bigger problem. Just be aware of those changing regulations. They're with us for a while at least. I'm Chris Christensen from Amateur Traveler. Yeah, my flight back from Austin.  He's like, well, I didn't have to remove it on the way in. She's like, well, somebody didn't notice but that's the rules and it was the kind of bag that requires a screwdriver to take the battery out. Why? Yeah. How much did you pay for that? Extremely cool. Battery powered, yeah. All right, let's... I have some bags that I... Some carry-ons that have built-in batteries and they ended up letting me bring it through. My last trip to Anaheim, no problem going out but coming back they were like, I don't think you're supposed to have this. I guess we'll let it go and they had to talk to somebody and they let me go but now I don't know if I can take that bag anymore. Not with the battery being without removing it. You just have to take it out. If you can't take it out, then yeah, that's a problem. Yeah. Well, one bag that doesn't have any batteries in it is the mail bag. That's right. Gautamman wrote in and said, there's been some motion around the ad-her enforcement in India lately. We've talked about this in the past just sort of a one-size-fits-all ID for everybody in India. I figured I could provide you with an update on my previous email. The Indian Supreme Court has indefinitely extended the deadline for linking ad-har to mobile phones, bank accounts and expediting passport applications. The previous deadline was March 31st. Linking ad-har to these accounts is currently optional except for those receiving benefits and subsidies from the government until the case is resolved and then he quotes the Hindu as a source. That is awesome. Thank you for that update. And the link, I love it. It's not just an update from someone who's familiar but also providing the legitimate link to the newspaper coverage of it. That's awesome. 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Josh Elman going to Robin Hood as VP of Product, intruosante. That wasn't really quite right for the show, but still interesting. You don't get a lot of VCs going back to like VPs of product, usually the other way around. Mm-hmm. Usually. Usually. Not always. Tomorrow is Justin and Robert Young. Is that right? Should be. Isn't it Thursday? Yeah. Is it? I think it is. Roger, if you're trying to talk, we can't hear you. Hello, yes. Oh, there you are. Yes. Hello. Excellent. W. Scott is one was asking in the chat. Stephen Hawking studied the stars. Now he is one.  I didn't quite hear it. Stephen Hawking studied the stars. Now he is one. I don't know. I get the sentiment, but it sounds weird for some reason. France, pools, tech giants, pants, robot mothers. Mm-hmm. Well, we didn't have time to get into the movie whole thing. Oh, yeah. Sorry. But, you know, I, I saw the red and I was like, we're going over a little bit. So I just sort of kept it moving. I need to see it. I don't think I've seen it. Well, you can explain it now. I can explain it now. Okay. So, well, okay. Without any spoilers, the premise of the movie, and this was based on a book from many years ago. So I'm not, I don't feel like I'm spilling anything. It's like, so the idea is in the future.  I need a new lung, whatever. There's a certain, you know, subset of humanity that that's what they have to do. That was why they were born. But those humans have feelings and emotions and, you know, they're not just organ harvesters. So it's a very sort of heavy. Do we follow them around and then to learn that that's happening to them? Because it's sounding familiar. You know that it's happening to them.   I'm thinking of a different movie. You're thinking of the one with Ian McGregor. Is that the island? Yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. I didn't see that one. The island's basically Logan's run, but I like it. So that's a remake of a movie that came out in the late 70s, early 80s. It's called Logan's Run. No. Logan's Run made it into a TV series and then a movie. I used to love. Oh, my gosh. I used to love it. Oh, yeah. Logan's Run was my favorite TV show at the time that it was on. Raspberry Pi. Run up. I like Raspberry Pi Day. We could go with that. Raspberry Pi Day. Here in the part of the world that uses the weird month first convention, it's Pi Day. Pi Day. Do you do? Yeah. We do it. How do we do it? We do it month first. Oh, yeah. Why do we do that? A large part of the world does it day first, and then some parts of the world even do year first. Because filing or filing things is easier if you go year, year, month, day, right? Yeah. Yeah. Year month day is the right way to do it. So this is not like the metric system where I think our way is dumb. I think our way makes kind of sense. It certainly makes more sense than day first to me, but it doesn't make as much sense as year first. It should be year month day. Yeah. I'm with you on that. But if you're just doing the day and not the year, then I think it should be month day. I think we do it. I think our way of doing it makes more sense. And I'm not just being an American date exceptionalist when I say that. No. You're definitely American though or something. Yeah. Some people are saying the year away makes more sense to them. Because they were raised with it. Maybe. Because I definitely think the metric system makes way more sense. That's like me saying Fahrenheit makes more sense to me, but that's just because I don't think that. That's how you were raised with it. Yeah. That's how I was raised. Our way is size order if you don't include the year, but then putting the year at the end is dumb. We should put the year first. I'm happy with partial. Well, it's already this way. So I don't know why I'm even talking about it. Everything I do, Photoshop, Illustrator, like any kind of production stuff, it's all millimeter centimeters. It's all metric for me. Yeah.  That's it. Well, and that one's hard because if you're not exposing, if you're not exposed to it regularly, then it's just, it's impossible to know what it means. Right. Right, right, right. It means it's hot, cold or balmy. Actually, it's not a zero is freezing and a hundred is boiling. So those two are easy. That kind of gives you a way to calibrate the rest, but into you guys, we're right here. Sarah, move toward the light. Come toward the light, Sarah. And this is Carol. Oh, yeah. Oh, hi. Hi. Sorry. You guys went silent for a minute. I was like, what happened? Oh, we're here. We're here. We're talking about metrics. The major metric calendar system where there's a hundred months. I don't like anything about the metric system. Each, there's 10 months. Each month has 10 days. Feet, inches, yards. Oh, I prefer, it's weird because I do fractions better with Imperial or what we call customary units. Is that what we call customary units? Imperial, isn't it? Huh? Well, it's originally Imperial, but an Imperial gallon is slightly more than a customary, like an American gallon. Yeah, we can't even do a Imperial. We have to come up with our own version of that too. We came up with our own dictionary. We locked off all the vowels that were added in by the, the English as an affectation. E's not A's. E's not A's. Anyway, this was all started by us saying Raspberry Pi Day. Yay. Speaking of Pi, has anyone seen the movie Ghost Story? Um, maybe. Yeah.  I don't remember that. No, I need you. You would know. Stirring Rooney Mara? Oh, no. I'm a big Mara sisters fan, so I should have seen it. All right. Well, you know what? Let's talk about this next week when everybody's gotten caught up because Pi is involved. So is weirdness. Hmm. Tell me more. I can't. I literally can't. Wait, wait. So is this a new movie? Yeah. Yeah. I think I was thinking of a Kevin Bacon thing or something. Oh, you're thinking of the Hollow Man. Oh, it was Ghost Story. No, Ghost Story 1981. Not about Rooney Mara eating Pi. That's for sure. Uh, Ghost Story starred Fred Astaire, Melvin Douglas, Douglas Fairbanks Jr. That's the one. Wow. That is not the one I was getting it confused with. What is it? Is it just Ghost? Is that the one with Kevin Bacon? No, that's that's Patrick Swayze. Patrick Swayze. That's so you know the rich man's Kevin Bacon. Yeah, but Kevin Bacon's still around. Yeah. He's still kicking it. But he goes by Kevin Mellon camp now. I feel like the whole Kevin Bacon's and everything thing though. Yeah. Well, it's a generation. I'm going to share this video guys in our Slack just so you like, I'm sure it'll be like some idea. So many people are in everything now. Like it's not specific to Kevin Bacon. The reason that I brought it up was because there's a whole Pi thing. And I know that many of us feel very strongly about Pi. Love for Pi. Um, uh, and, you know, sort of intense dislike for people who don't like Pi. So read the article and then watch the movie and then have your mind blown. Is there something about Pi that's totally mind bending? You should just watch the movie. Try eating Pi. That's great. Oh, hi is great. A raspberry or blackberry pie is great. No, you know, you don't want those. Rubarb is a devil's weed. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Whoa. Johnson ate it. Walk that back.   I've seen your mom. I've seen her on a show before back in the twit days and I thought she was just awesome. Well, that's nice to hear, but she makes a rhubarb strawberry turt that is to die for. So I don't know what kind of rhubarb you're eating, but like it's really good. This is one of the many reasons that I wish I was Lanell Lane's son. She probably does too. One of the other ones. You guys could be brother sister. Cause she's awesome. She just makes a lot of pie. And she makes pie. Yeah. I mean. You could yell at each other on road trips. Brother sister. There you go. We're not far off now. Yeah, exactly. We'll just formalize that. We're getting there. Um, but no rhubarb. Yum. Yeah. Scott. No, my grandma, Adele would always make a rhubarb pie out of our rhubarb from our backyard. I would always say. Dude, we're getting Adele. It's a poisonous. Actually, my sister and I used to make. Adele jokes about my grandma when that's a commercial was out and she was still alive then. I think, um, I made the joke because my sister's middle name is Adele after our grandma. I would say, dude, you're Margaret Adele. I think one of my great aunts was named Adele. Oh, wait. Oh, no, I know. Yeah. There wasn't Adele in my family as well. It's an old fashioned name. Nice one though. Yeah. My grandma was born in like 1912, I think. Yeah. I don't really see that many Gertrude's or. No, or Esther's. Yeah, it doesn't make a comeback. Certain names where you're just like it's in the past. My aunt. I'll probably come back. My aunt was named Esther. No, I know her. She's younger than me. My grandma was the oldest. My grand, my two grandmothers were Vivian and Dorothy. Oh. Oh, it's very old fashioned names. Although Vivian seems to be coming back a bit. Dorothy, not so much. Do you know any Roxy's? No. Oh, but I know your grandma was Roxy. Which is that? I know a rock Santa. Yeah. And Roxy, my grandma was not Roxanne. It was just Roxy. Huh. Rock. Roxanne is unusual. That's unusual. On the red light when you're hanging out with her. Yeah. My grandma never messed with red lights. Were the police? Hurt Stig. Just the kind of Roxy. What did all the references go back to the 80s and no one was protesting? No. Our references are in the early 20th century right now, Roger. Tirely different. Yeah, we're not. Yeah. Going to Berlin. Totally different. 1912, 1915. You flappers. But no, it's funny how some of the old fashioned names, they have nicknames. For example, when my grandma's is Dorothy, but people called her Dot. Or Dotty. And it's like, what? Like, look at how Dorothy is spelled. I don't know where this comes from, but it's a known thing.  Dick for Richard. That too. Where does that come from? No one knows. Yeah. Yeah, John and Jack is one I never understood. Right. Yeah. Never understood that. Well, we will leave this mystery for the post show when I will give many other examples. Everyone wave to the camera. Goodbye, everybody. Bye, Liz. Get in the shot. Okay. Bye, Jack. Bye, Dick.


Hold on, my politician is about to make a speech. Vinny's laughing.  He's in politician position. Hello, my fellow snippers and flighters. I gotta hurry up on this video cause like he's holding the door open. By the way, we're at Kenoga Discount Birds for those of you who are wondering. Welcome, welcome, ladies and gentlemen. So dark here. Let's get right to it, guys. We are going to see the baby. So those of you who are new to my channel, my name is Marlene McCohen. I'm making you love birds and making you aware of them and their struggles and troubles in life. Oh, it's Abby. What's up? Sorry you're on camera. How are you? Didn't we already do step ups? He likes buttons. I didn't wear buttons today. I didn't wear buttons. How cute is he? He's the cutest, huh?  He's like, wait, what? I have brothers and sisters. I wasn't excited about that. Guys, check this out though. Like not only is he already perching, okay? But he's already causing trouble. He already trying to be the boss. Look, and he's not crying anymore. Today's the first day he hasn't like cried and whined and stuff. He's just so cute. And I didn't wear any buttons today. I really should have. What are you stretching? Show them how you did your stretch all by yourself. And he already wants to go on my shoulder. Lots of new stuff. It's really exciting. I've just been hanging out with him for an hour and just like playing with him. Hey, what are you chewing? Look, he's all right. This is what you have to look forward to, guys. What are you chewing? Oh, and he did something on my. Picasso, he would literally fly back to his stand and go potty and then fly back to me. Like I could see this bird biting a little bit. Picasso never bit, it's okay.   Look at him just climbing around, managing himself. It's really exciting. And we're gonna have to go back to getting him into sniff position. Step up. Good bird. He's just changed a lot in the last few days, guys. Just look at how he stands and like he's content. He's just learning now how to pre trying to see what he's supposed to do. Yeah, fluffing up a lot. Oh, I love him. I gotta put him back now, but I gotta Instagram him first. Hey guys, look what happens when I snap my fingers. Oh no, it already happened. I'm in a different spot. I'm at home and I thought that you guys haven't seen my babies in a while. So let's see who's here. What's up, Jersey? Are you the cutest bird? Yes, you are. You guys want to see blue? Look, blue's tail is super long again. Hey! Hi! You want attention? Hi, what's going on? Let's see if Nellie and Mom can woke up. You guys were taking a nap. I thought you were taking a nap. Look at this guy. Oh, he's eating. Leo, you just had a full meal. And of course, guys, Vinnie's got a new cage. He has moved over here. Guys, look how cute Vinnie is when he has to get out. Let me get the footsie, come on. Oh, you're so cute. I've never seen any bird as cute as you. He's my little travel maker. Vinnie, what are you doing? Show up. Vinnie, what's going on? Do you love Mommy? Did you see Vinnie what happened today? Let me show you. Look, we're wearing the same color. Do you like that? You look so shiny. Are you excited about that? Secretly, Vinnie smells the best. You want to see where the greys are? The greys are very busy. Marilyn's very full right now. It was his plate, so he's just sitting there. And then, Cody, Cody. Do I have any more birds? Hi, baby. Are you into your show? Yeah, you're so cute. It's like an evening with the birds. They're kind of all out chilling. If we watch TV, they're watching TV. We're actually all going to be working now. The birds are going to stay out while we do some extra work. Going to upload some videos. Obviously, I have quite a few birds here, but see, they're all quiet. They're all content. It's kind of all about finding them their place where they like to be. By the way, look. Look how Marilyn likes my kisses now. Oh, I enjoyed that. Yes, I did. So they kind of have their spot. They're quiet. One secret to happy birds is them being well fed. So you're going to have to have the time to do that a few times a day. Make sure that they all are really full and fed. That's important. You guys know they're mostly all rescue birds. We have another bird coming. So we'll see how it works out. You have to have the time for all of the birds that you have and, you know, time to have somewhat of a one-on-one time. Time to have them be all out and places for them all to be out where they are happy. So for example, no matter where in the house I try to take Merlin right now, like he's not going to want to go. He just wants to be in his spot. Same with Cody. She wants to be in her spot. And then these two, I mean, they've done full circle. Nellie and Monty with their behavioral issues as having issues with them together, being aggressive to one another, having issues with them screaming. My escandalosos, right? Now I have them in a position where they're happy together. They preen each other. They love to be together. And they like don't scream as much. But out of all the birds screaming, like these two are the noisiest. One, because they obviously contact call each other sometimes, which has dramatically reduced since they're like here and have each other. And then two, because Senegal's voice is like both of them straight ups. Like it's like a shrill voice. But yeah, we got them all quiet. So I mean, I'm not by any means trying to make it look easy, but the truth is, yeah, like you guys know I've been doing this since I was a kid. So if it's not obvious that it's easier for me than most people, then, you know, I mean, that's just what it is. You know, I have the time and the love to play with all of them and hang out with all of them and give them as much as I can that they need. You know, and also like bring out their personalities because they have amazing personalities and that's important too. I think it's really cool that like Nellie, Monty and Blue hang out. That's kind of fun for me.  What are you doing? What are your complaints? Any complaints? Yeah, and I don't know if you guys saw my last video, but obviously Vinny's gangsta, but Vinny's actually hanging out in Jersey's house right now. Pretty soon I'm gonna do a video on socializing them with each other and flock integration. Yeah, it's just kind of like an evening with them, you know, also good to have the lights like a little dim, you know, so that they understand time for bed soon and they're all just chill, but they're tired. It's a great thing to have them kind of out when they're tired, you know, because then they understand that it's quiet time and that they can be like chill when they're out. And if I go sit on the couch, they're all gonna follow me over there, which is fun. Yeah, so that's it. I just wanted to like show you all the birds cause you haven't seen them in a while. I've been showing you a lot of baby bird videos because, you know, it's a story and like I just follow along the story. It's just my truth, right? I think they'll be pretty excited. We'll do all the videos when they come home of the bird getting introduced to every bird and, you know, after the little quarantine, I'm excited for them to meet the bird. I'm very curious about blue and the baby. That's gonna be interesting. So yeah, oh, and if you guys were wondering, look, this is where we've gotten so far with the planting. So yeah, that's what Carolyn helped me with. She's so sweet for doing that. Hold on, my politician is about to make a speech. Vinny's laughing.  He's in politician position. Vinny's laughing at it. So let me pretend I'm gonna say bye to you and see if my politician says anything about it. All right guys, thank you so much. Don't forget to subscribe. Watch all my videos, blah, blah, blah. Join Patreon if you want videos early. You haven't decided yet? What will your foreign policy be? Well, you're gonna have to think about those things before your next speech, okay? That's my politician. He makes speeches every day about one thing or another. So we're gonna have to listen in the future for more of his speeches and see what his policies are. Looks like he's still got some more things to figure out. He's all about world peace and saving the rainforest. That's what we know so far. And Vinny thinks it's hilarious. And Merlin sometimes cheers him on. It's like Merlin, Merlin! If Leo's the politician, then Merlin's kind of like the fan. And it's like George thought that maybe Leo wasn't too swift or too smart. He grows up and becomes a politician from baby to politician. He makes very inspirational speeches. What can I tell you? All right guys, I love you, bye! And guys, don't forget to check out my new line of organic bird food called Marlene's signature blend made with tops for small and large birds. I love that you guys are sharing it on social media, tagging me in your YouTube unboxings and your Instagram stories. If you tag me in your Instagram story of your bird getting his food, I will definitely share it in my highlights. I love you guys so much. The link is below.


From the campus of MIT in Cambridge, Massachusetts, it's theCUBE, covering the MIT Chief Data Officer and the Information Quality Symposium. Now, here are your hosts, Stu Miniman and Paul Gillan. We are back at the MIT CDO IQ, CDO and Information Quality Symposium in Cambridge, winding down our two days of live coverage here. I'm Paul Gillan with Stu Miniman and we've been talking a lot about the CDO role today and there were two panels this afternoon at which that was the topic. Where is the CDO role going? How is it evolving? Will it be necessary in the future? Is in fact the need for a CDO an indication that the company has some deficits in its use of data that has to be filled by a dedicated role? Might that role not be needed? Might CDOs work themselves out of a job at some point if they're truly successful in what they do? Jean Leganza of Forrester Research was a panelist on one of those sessions and the guy who's followed these trends for a long time, over 30 years in IT. Jean, can you describe your role and the big data and how CDO relates to your role at Forrester? Yeah, the CDO role kind of emerged as being I think a key pivotal point of research in my research. I started researching specifically on information strategies around the 2007-2008 time frame. Big data was just becoming a thing. It was still kind of a kick to tire sort of thing, a lot of curiosity about whether it was industry hype or something very real. Although there were people with the Chief Data Officer title at the time, there weren't very many of them and it wasn't something to getting a lot of attention back then. I did some research that was relevant just looking into who's heading up information strategy and information architecture activities at large organizations and started getting some interesting surprises around the fact that in most cases, there was no unified strategy. There was no cohesive effort around advancing data capabilities and that if there were people who were in charge of data strategies, they were often very business oriented, not data oriented. So very early on, I got the inkling that people weren't looking for data technicians to solve the gap between data capabilities and being advanced in data. But they were looking for people who really understood business and could relate to business people. So that was interesting. That continued as a theme if you look into the actual formal CDO role and who's filling it and who's doing a good job at it. Do you believe, we were talking about before we started broadcasting about the data-driven companies and you think of companies, obviously Google is one linked in, but companies like CarMax or Uber where data is really the main asset they have tend not to have a Chief Data Officer. And is that an indication that that role is actually making up for a deficit of some time? Is this a creation of the CDO role, the result of a crisis which now has to be dealt with? Mostly yes. It's always dangerous to make broad generalizations like that, but I think that the majority pattern is that people in some form have shot themselves in the foot relating to data and often can be pointed to an explicit event. There was a gentleman from SAP who did a session yesterday who gave his kind of four year journey around data governance and getting business value out of analytics. And they started with Chief Executive getting visibility around some data quality problem. They said this is not going to happen anymore. And that's the kind of story that's happened a lot. Something bad happened and somebody on high said this won't happen anymore. Or simultaneously there's been realization in business people's part that there's gold in them on our hills. There's a lot of people that start to wake up to what some of us nerds on the IT side have been saying for the longest time that the business should care more about data. Getting the business folks to come to the table and argue about customer data for two hours has been a lost cause. The hype from big data helped people think there's actually something going on here. There's something in it for me. And let's get good at it tomorrow. And the fact is there's a big gap there, right? So when people realize they really want to get better at data and there's a whole lot of work to be done, you can't just buy a package and be good at it tomorrow. They decide they need somebody to head the charge. And the experience is that if someone doesn't own a problem, it doesn't get solved. You can't really do it by a committee. You might need a committee in there somewhere, but someone needs to have resources. Someone needs to be driving the bus. And especially on a multi-year journey, it needs a lot of continuity. And someone who's had a lot of awareness of the problems can communicate well about it. So it's largely filling the gap of folks who see that there's a lot of value in data, know that there's a lot of work to be done to get to where they want to be and need to rally the organization. A lot of it relates to culture change. So you're characterizing CarMax, Uber, folks like that. A lot of the dot-com natives is not necessarily needing chief data officers. That's really true. Basically, the understanding of the value of the data and how it drives the decision-making around strategy and the operating model for the company is really well ingrained. You can't say that about most organizations, and that's the problem. So, Gene, I'm wondering in your research, are there certain mandates that have a high chance that they're going to succeed in certain areas that you might warn people, hey, if this is the problem you're trying to solve, maybe this isn't something that you're going to have an easy time with? Yeah, definitely. The common mistakes are acting as if you have a mandate when you don't have one. I'd love to tell people that data's really, really important. You need to start moving on it now, but I've seen plenty of people just die of gooey deaths trying to get going and getting a lot of resistance in the organization, and the time was just not right. So, in Tom Davenport's characterization of four stages of data and analytics, you might still be stuck in 1.0, and if you're a data architect, enterprise architect, VP of data, you're not the CEO, and you may not be able to actually get the entire organization rallying behind your agenda. Having a mandate from someone at a very high level is actually a key starting point. The second biggest mistake is a phrase you hear a lot at conferences like this is boiling the ocean. Getting your arms around data and improving your data capabilities is really an impossible task. I mean, it's huge, it's really, really huge, and you have to start really small, and there's two things going on here. Fixing data problems in the enterprise is huge, and getting people to rally around data having value and data capabilities having value requires showing results. So, what has to happen in a fairly short period of time, if you're trying to build an agenda and motivate people to follow it, is that you have to do more than say, data's good for you, data hygiene is good for you, good data practice is a good for you, no one's going to buy that, no one's going to change their behavior, unless they really see what's in it for them. Take your medicine. Right, so you have to do pilots, and you have to find areas where you're going to deliver real value while people, in a small way, and then build from there, and use that to market your abilities, and eventually go enterprise-wide, but start fairly small. So, one of the truisms about, you have to have the enterprise in mind, and you can't do siloed kind of work, that the whole problem is everything is siloed as well, you do have to start with very specific use cases to show value, and call that siloed, but you have to kind of dig into the detail of the business problem, which is usually buried within the operation of the business unit to make that work, and then use that to eventually go enterprise-wide and have an enterprise approach, but you have to find real concrete value and show people that there is real gold there. Well, one thing that struck me talking to several CDOs we've been interviewing here over the last couple of days, as well as at the conferences, this is a superhero type of job, because the CDO, in some companies, the CDO is a political manager, is a relationship broker, is trying to get people to give up data that they don't want to give up. So, it's a people skills job, but in other companies, it's a technical skills job. Now you've got that data, you've got to put it into something, you've got to figure out how to make sense of it and rationalize it, and then in other cases, it's an analytics job, it's a forward-looking, a strategic type of role. Can one person do it all, or are we going to have sort of a herd of data CDO migrants who are good at one or two of these processes and move from company to company? This came up in my panel discussion as well, in terms of if you had to choose between skills and roles, which one should it be? My take on it is that you need a team. It's not a one-person job, and the key aspect of the chief data officer role is to be the evangelist, the diplomat, the cheerleader, the program manager, you have to have all those other skills on your team. You have to have the data science skills and the data management and data governance skills and the person who shepherds the data stewards and identifies the appropriate business matter expertise. You need an awful lot of stuff happening and you not only are not only gonna get it in one person, getting it in that person who would be appropriately skilled to be that evangelist and bring the whole program forward is very, very unlike, I'm talking about unicorns, being data scientists, unicorn being signed with all the appropriate technical skills and the communication skills and leadership skills to be a chief data officer is really out of the question. So what you really need to do if you really wanna get somewhere is get that CDO who is a strong leader, a strong front person and can collaborate with a multidisciplinary team to lead the various efforts that you need to do because there's gonna be a lot of things going on at once and in a way the chief data officer is a program manager of program managers. All the folks on their staff should be running various programs to advance processes and organizational structures and skill development and best practices around consumption and use of data and those sorts of things. Great point. So Gene, the CDOs we've talked to have tended to center around industries that have a lot of governance. So a lot of government, we've seen healthcare, we've talked to some university CDOs. Are those the kind of the primary verticals that you see? Where are some of the areas that we're gonna see more growth of the CDO? Well, actually that's two questions. There's a lot of, right now our survey data showed that there's a lot of differences between industries in terms of where there are chief data officers and it's true that the more highly regulated industries are more likely to have chief data officers. And also countries with a lot of government regulation. So for example, North America, this year United States came in with 35% of US companies have chief data officers. UK last year was 40s, now it's like up to 50%. Last couple years, Germany and India and China were in the 60 plus percent companies have chief data officers. So regulation has a lot to do with it. The part I'm saying is different is so those are the organizations that are very likely to have already moved towards the chief data officer to get their data act together to get data quality, data governance together where the growth can be almost anywhere. And I think where we're seeing a lot of growth and chief data officer role in manufacturing in oil and utilities, oil and gas and utilities. Internet of Things is a big player right there, right? So Internet of Things introduces sensors and lots and lots of data and being smart about what to do with that data not only in terms of being able to provide good products and services but also thinking about new products and services and changing operating models requires understanding data and a data agenda. So the growth may be independent of that remedial work, right? So the places that are highly regulated need to do the remedial work, need to do a lot of the work. So they most likely had a chief data officer a couple years ago or are getting one now. I think where the growth is gonna come from are the organizations that are waking up to the fact that there's competitive advantage in doing what Tom Davenport this morning called taking on the offense of data. They're doing all the glitzy stuff around targeting a segment of one, not my population segment but me and my behavior based on that I come to your website yesterday and today and why didn't I buy anything yet and giving me an offer or things from the Internet of Things or products and services around making customers happier are where a lot of the rally growth is gonna come from. So yes, a lot of that requires getting your act together about data as a prerequisite to doing cool things with data but it's not necessarily a case that the folks who have to have had a chief data officer could be highly regulated will necessarily be able to grow the fastest based on that. They also might have some handcuffs in terms of how they can use the data. So if an organization who's not highly regulated but gets their act together about data can maybe start making leapfrogging others by doing cool and different things with data because perhaps they don't have the handcuffs on. So, Gene, I'm curious. You've done some survey work. You've been looking at the space from your research. Is there anything that you've kind of unearthed that doesn't match kind of the common viewpoint that we've been hearing, you know? We had somebody came on and said, you know, saying, you know, CIO and CDO, you know, should be in two different groups and fight, you know, makes a good magazine headline but a lot of times isn't the truth. What are you finding out there that doesn't meet fit with what we've been hearing the last few years? There's actually there's two things. The first one is when you just mentioned, as soon as we started publishing research on the Chief Data Officer role, every reporter who called and wanted an interview tried to make a big deal about the fight between the Chief Data Officer and the CIO and we're just not seeing it. You know, the success stories are all around collaboration. The people who present in panels and in sessions like at the MIT conference are all saying, if you're not in the IT department and that's probably a good idea that you report to the business side, you better have a really good relationship with the CIO and the IT department. There's an awful lot of technology involved. So all the good stories are around collaboration and there's not that much around competition for who's got the boardroom's attention. So I haven't really seen that. The other thing that I think I've learned that actually my thinking has changed very recently on based on a recent study I did was that I kind of assumed that because a lot of Chief Data Officers started in remedial mode, get our data quality at together, they get our data governance together and once we get that down we can kind of move on to doing analytics. And so I thought it'd be interesting to see if several years from now people go from being Chief Data Officers to Chief Analytics Officers or if the title doesn't change but the responsibilities change, all the Chief Data Officers you talk to aspire to do cool things in analytics. So I'm thinking, okay, so what's gonna happen is you'll bake the ability to do data management well into the organization. You'll create the structures, the processes, the data stewards, the data governance processes, the appropriate committees. Eventually in a couple of years that'll be running on its own. You'll have people managing the process. That becomes a background. The Chief Data Officer can move on to be the Chief Analytics Officer and then focus on the cool stuff.  And this is because, yes, the analytics and what Tom Davenport referred to as the offense is the glitzy stuff. It's where people clearly see value. Because they don't see value in what he called defense, the processes and the structures that do data management well because it's not glitzy people will lose interest in it. And so if you say, okay, we need to have a champion for analytics and data management takes care of itself. You might have started there because you just took care of data management issues. Two years down the line, you'll have data management issues. It'll decay. You do an acquisition. You got another data management problem. Exactly.  You'll just recreate the same problem. So the idea is let the interest, the overriding interest in analytics and the cool stuff subsidize the lack of interest in the uncool stuff of data management and keep those together. So I'm no longer telling people, oh, the Chief Data Officer with a temporary role that will eventually go away. Saying, no, there's really strong evidence because I really believe data will have value to enterprises for the, for the, we got it right. It sounds like a good offense. Your best offense will be a good defense. Yes, yes. No one wants to play defense, but it's critical. We're just getting started here, but we're at time, so we have to cut it off. Obviously a lot to talk about. We'd love to have you back next year on theCUBE and see what are the issues we're going to be talking about a year from now. I'm sure they're very different than the issues we're talking about now. Gene Laganza from Forest Research. Thanks so much for joining us. Thank you. Thank you for having me. Wrapping up our coverage here. Two days at the MIT CDOIQ, we'll be right back.


From Cambridge, Massachusetts, it's the Cube, covering MIT Chief Data Officer and Information Quality Symposium 2019, brought to you by SiliconANGLE Media. Welcome back to MIT in Cambridge, Massachusetts, everybody. You're watching theCUBE, the leader in live tech coverage. My name is Dave Vellante, I'm here with Paul Gillins. It's day two of the MIT Chief Data Officer Information Quality Conference. One of the things we like to do at these shows, we love to profile Boston area startups that are focused on data. And in particular, we love to focus on startups that are founded by women. Julie Johnson is here. She's the co-founder and CEO of Armored Things. Julie, great to see you again. Thanks for coming on. Great to see you. So why did you start Armored Things? You know, Armored Things was created around a mission to keep people safe. Early in the time where we were looking at starting this company incidents like Las Vegas happened, Parkland happened, and we realized that the world of security and operations was really stuck in the past, right? It's manual solutions, generally driven by human instinct, anecdotal evidence, and tools like walkie-talkies and video cameras. We knew there had to be a better way, right? In the world of data that we live in today, I would ask if either of you got in your car this morning without turning on Google Maps to see where you were going and the best route with traffic, we want to help universities, ball parks, corporate campuses do that for people. How do we keep our people safe by understanding how they live? Stay away from Lambert Street and Lambert's, by the way. Okay, so, and people, when they think about security, they think about cyber, they think about virtual security, et cetera, et cetera, but there's also the physical security aspect. Can you talk about the balance of those two? Yeah, and I think both are very important. We actually tend to mimic some of the revolutions that have happened on the cyber security side over the last 10 years with what we're trying to do in the world of physical security. So, you know, folks watching this who are familiar with cyber security might understand concepts like anomaly detection, you know, SIM and SOAR for orchestrated response. We very much believe that similar concepts can be applied to the physical world, but the unique thing about the physical world is that it has defined boundaries, right? People behave in accordance with their environment. So how do we take the lessons learned in cyber security over 10 to 15 years and apply them to that physical world? I also believe that physical and cyber security are converging. So are there things that we know in the physical world because of how we approach the problem that can be a leading indicator of a threat in either the physical world or the digital world? You know, what many people don't understand is that for some of these cyber security hacks, the first weak link is physical access to your network, to your data, to your systems. How do we actually help you get an eye on that so that you already have some context when you notice it in the digital realm? So go back to the two examples you cited earlier, the two mass shooting examples. Could those have been prevented or mitigated in some way using the type of technology you're building? Yeah, I hate to say that you could ever prevent an incident like that. Everyone wants us to do better. Our goal is to get a better sense predictively of the leading indicators that tell you you have a problem. So because we're fundamentally looking at patterns of people and flow, I want to know when a normal random environment starts to disperse in a certain way, or if I have a bottleneck in my environment, because if then I have that type of incident occur, I already know where my hotspots are, where my pockets of risk are, so I can address it that much more efficiently from a response perspective. So if people are moving quickly away from a venue, it might be an indication that there's something wrong if it demands attention. Yeah, you know, when you go to a baseball game or when you go to work, I would imagine that you generally have a certain pattern of behavior. People know conceptually what those patterns are, but we're the first effort to bring them data to prove what those patterns are so that they can actually use that data to consistently re-examine their operations, re-examine their security from a staffing perspective, from a management perspective, to make sure that they're using all the data that's at their disposal. It seems like there would be many other applications beyond security of this type of analysis. Are you committed to the security space, or do you have broader ambitions? Are we committed to the security space is 100%. I would say the number one reason why people join our team, and the number one reason why people call us to be customers is for security. There's a better way to do things. We fundamentally believe that every ballpark, every university, every corporate campus needs a better way. I think what we've seen though is exactly what you're saying. As we built our software for security in these venues and started with an understanding of people and flow, there's a lot that falls out of that, right? How do I open gates that are more effective based on patterns of entry and exit? How do I make sure that my staffing's appropriate for the number of people I have in my environment? There's lots of other contextual information that can ultimately drive bottom line or top line revenue. So you take a pro sports venue, for example, if we know that on a 10 degree colder day, people tend to egress more early in the game, how do we adjust our food and beverage strategy to save money on hourly workers so that we're not overstaffing in a period of time that doesn't need those resources? So you're talking about the physical and the logical security rules coming together, and security, of course, has always been about data, but it's been sort of 10 years ago staring at logs. Increasingly, the machines are helping us do that and software is helping us do that. So can you add some color to at least the trends in the market generally, and then maybe specifically what you're doing, bringing machine intelligence to the data to make us more secure?  As our video cameras, we've seen a lot of great technology evolve in the video management system realm, very advanced technology, great at object recognition and detecting certain behaviors with a video only solution. How do we help pinpoint certain behaviors on a specific frame or specific camera? The only problem with that is, if you have people watching those cameras, you're still relying on humans in the loop to catch a malicious behavior, to respond in the event that they're notified about something unusual, that still becomes a manual process. What we do is we use data to watch not only cameras, but we are watching your cameras, your Wi-Fi, access control, contextual data from public transit or whether, how do we get this greater understanding of your environment that helps us watch everything so that we can surface the things that you want the humans in the loop to pay attention to, right? So we're not trying to remove the human, we're trying to help them focus their time and make decisions that are backed by data in the most efficient way possible. How about the concerns about the surveillance society? In some countries, it's just taken for granted now that you're on camera all the time. In the US, that's a little bit more controversial. Is what you're doing, do you have to be sensitive to that in designing the tools you're building? Yeah, and I think to Dave's question, there are solutions like facial recognition, which are very much working on identifying the individual. We have a philosophy as a company that security doesn't necessarily start with the individual, it starts with the aggregate. How do we understand at an aggregate macro level the patterns in an environment, which means I don't have to identify Paul or I don't have to identify Dave, I want to look for what's usual and unusual and use that as the basis of my response. There's certain instances where you want to know who people are, do I want to know who my security personnel are so I can dispatch them more efficiently? Absolutely, let's opt those people in and allow them to share the information they need to share to be better resources for our environment, but that's the exception, not the norm. If we make the norm privacy first, I think we'll be really successful in this emerging GDPR data-centric world. But I could see somebody down the road saying, hey, can you help us find this bad guy? I'm like kids at camp this week, this is the seventh year at camp and this year was the first year my wife, she was able to sign up for a facial recognition thing. So we used to have to scroll through hundreds and hundreds of pictures to see, oh, there he is, and so Depp signs up for this thing and then it pinged you when your son has a picture taken. And I was like, that's awesome, oh. Yeah, that's great until you think about it. But there aren't really any clear privacy laws today and so you guys are saying, look, we're looking at the big picture, but that day is coming, isn't it? You know, there's certain environments that care more than others. If you think about universities, which is where we first started building our technology, they care greatly about the privacy of their students. Healthcare is a great example. We want to make sure that we're protecting people's personal data at a different level, not only because that's the right thing to do, but also from a regulatory perspective. So how do we give them the same security without compromising the privacy? Talk about bottom line, you mentioned to us earlier that you just signed a contract with a sports franchise. You're actually going to help save them money by deploying their resources more efficiently. How does your technology help the bottom line? Sure. Your average sporting venue is getting great information at the point a ticket is scanned or a ticket is purchased. They have very little visibility beyond that into the customer journey during an event at their venue. So if you think about, again, patterns of people in flow from a security perspective, at our core we're helping them staff the right gates or figure out where people need to be based on hot spots in their environment. But what that also results in is an ability to drive other operational benefits. Do we have a zone that's very low utilization that we could use as maybe even a benefit to our avid fans, send them to that area, get traffic in that area, and now give them a better concession experience because of it, right? Where they're going to end up spending more money because they're not waiting in line in a different zone. So how do we give them a dashboard in real time, but also alerts or reports that they can use on an ongoing basis to change their decision making going forward? So give us the company overview. Where are you guys at with funding, headcount, all that good stuff? So we raised a seed round with some great Boston and Silicon Valley investors a year ago. So that was, Glasswing is a Boston AI-focused fund. It's been a great partner for us. And Inovia, which is Canada's largest VC fund, recently opened a Silicon Valley office. We just started raising a series A about a week ago. I'm excited to say those conversations have been going really well so far. We have some potential strategic partners who we're excited about, who know data better than anyone else that we think would help us accelerate our business. We also have a few folks who are very familiar with the large venue space. The distributed campuses, the sporting and entertainment venues. So we're out looking for the right partner to lead our series A round and take our business to the next level. But where we are today with five really great branded customers, I think we'll have 20 by the end of next year and we won't stop fighting till we're at every ballpark, every football stadium, every convention center, school, ever. The big question, at some point will you be able to eliminate security lines? I don't think that's my core mission. But optimistically, I'd love to help you. I think there's some very talented people working on that challenge. So I'll defer that one to them. And rough headcount today? Oh, we have 23 people today. 23 people, so. Yeah, headquartered in Boston, post office square. Awesome, great location. So you got, and you see you got five customers you're generating revenue. Yes. Okay, good. And well, thank you for coming on theCUBE. Yeah, thank you. And best of luck with the series A and going forward. Yeah, great. All right, and thank you for watching. Paul Gillan and I will be back right after this short break. This is theCUBE from MIT, Chief Data Officer Information Quality Conference in Cambridge. We'll be right back.


Hi, this is Carlos Montoya, Denver Police Media Relations Unit. Today we're talking with Commander Joe Montoya from District 3 on some outstanding police work that his officers did in this past month. Hi, Carlos. Yes, this is very exciting for me because this is not only good police work, but this is a true collaboration between the community and the police department. Shortly after the first of the year, we were plagued with a lot of property crime in District 3, particularly in the East Swaston Park and the DU University neighborhoods. We put the information out on Facebook to warn the community of what to look for and in mid-February, based on that information, we were flooded with calls on one day about some individuals that fit the descriptions we put out and were doing the types of things we asked them to look out for. We had multiple resources that we were able to put into the area at the time. We located the subjects and were able to follow them to their home. Detectives made contact with them and were able to establish probable cause for an arrest. The subsequent investigation led to the closure of several crimes in not only District 3, but other surrounding districts and the communities outside of Denver. For burglary, theft of a motor vehicle and auto theft, the investigation is ongoing and we're continuing to clear crimes based on this group of individuals. Again, it's just very exciting because it was a collaboration, a true collaboration between the community and the police department. Thank you, Commander Montoya. This is Carlos Montoya, Denver Police Media Relations. Stay tuned to us with Facebook, Twitter and YouTube.


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