Hi friends, welcome back to my channel and welcome. If you're new here, my name is Jen. I'm a certified weight loss and nutrition coach and I'm on the WW Blue Plan. It's Monday, so it's another meal prep. I have three absolutely fantastic recipes for you. We have a really good high protein breakfast, a TikTok hack for lunch, and a no bake healthy clean eating granola bar that is so good. And when I say good, I mean really, really delicious. So if you're excited for these recipes, please give this video a big huge thumbs up. It means a lot to me and of course let's me know to keep putting out meal preps every Monday. And don't forget if you're new, welcome, or you're not yet subscribed, of course I'd love to have you. Hit the little subscribe button and of course the bell next to it so you're notified whenever I upload. Again, we do meal preps every single Monday so you definitely don't wanna miss out. 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For breakfast this week I'm going to be making turkey sausage frittatas. The original recipe comes from the Emily Bytes blog. I am making some modifications. I am going to make these into full size frittatas instead of mini and I'm going to add some feta cheese because everything tastes better with a little bit of cheese. So let me show you first what's in the frittatas and then we'll get started on breakfast. We'll need some unsweetened almond milk, salt and pepper as well as poultry seasoning or you could substitute sage, thyme and marjoram and then red chili pepper flakes. Of course some eggs, 99% ground turkey. I'm also adding in some egg whites. I'm doing feta cheese and lots and lots of fresh spinach. So let's get started. The first thing we're going to do is add the pound of 99% ground turkey to a skillet. I do have it warming up over medium heat and then we are going to go ahead and season this up and allow this to brown. While the turkey is cooking I'm going to crack eight eggs into my bowl here and we're also going to add one half of a cup of egg whites and one third of a cup of that unsweetened almond milk. Whisk this all together and this is the egg portion of our frittatas. My turkey's brown so now I'm going to add in that entire bag of spinach and I'm going to allow it to wilt completely down. This whole bag as you know will wilt into virtually nothing and then we'll be ready to start assembling the frittatas. So I went ahead and pulled out my muffin pan, sprayed it with some non-stick cooking spray. I transferred my egg mixture into a measuring cup that has a pour spout. That's just going to be a lot easier to pour the egg mixture into the muffin tin. So we want to go ahead and fill these up. I'm going to fill them about halfway because I want to make sure that I have enough egg mixture for 12 frittatas. Now that I have the egg mixture in there I have my turkey and wilted spinach mixture. This is actually going to get put right into the egg mixture of the frittata and then you could stop here and not add any cheese if you wanted to keep the point lower but I'm going to top each one of these little cups with the feta cheese once we get the turkey and spinach mixture in. All right, there's our frittatas. Don't those look so good with all that yummy feta on top? These are going in the oven at 350 degrees until they're cooked completely through. You want to be able to shake it like this and not have the eggs wobble. That way you know that they're cooked through. Frittatas are out of the oven. You can see that I overfilled them. That is just fine. They are a little bit undercooked because I do warm them up throughout the week and if you over warm eggs they become kind of spongy. So I did undercook them just a little bit. I'm going to pop these out of the muffin pan. I'll be back to share with you what the frittata looks like and share points and calories. So they turned out pretty good. I just went ahead and just removed that excess egg that was around each of the muffin cups. These look so delicious. They're big. I'm glad I went with the full size instead of the minis. Of course, I'll link the original Emily Bytes recipe on my website. If you make the frittatas without the feta cheese, they are 95 calories per frittata and then they are zero points on blue and purple and two points on green. I'm not a big proponent of zero point meals. So that's part of the reason I added feta plus I love feta. So if you do decide to add feta cheese to your frittatas, they are 128 calories a piece, four points on green and two points on blue and purple. So I will probably have two of these every single day with some fruit for breakfast, but these look delicious. They turned out excellent and not to mention my house smells amazing. For my lunch this week, I'm going to be making the Buffalo Chicken Folded Wrap. I'm excited for this. I've been craving Buffalo and my husband is not the biggest fan, so I decided to make it for lunches this week. So for the wrap, you're going to need some bacon. You can also use full pieces of bacon and just crumble those up. I'm just going to use bacon bits to save on some time. Light shredded cheese or fat-free cheese, if you prefer, Buffalo sauce of your choice, chicken, wraps, green onions, some sort of non-fat Greek yogurt, parsley flakes and dill, as well as laughing cow cheese in any flavor. So let's get started. First thing I'm doing is getting my chicken cooked. I'm just going to pan-fry it up and then we'll shred it up before we add it to the wrap. We're going to start assembling the chicken portion of the wrap. So I've shredded those two chicken breasts that I just pan-fried on the stove.  We're going to add in some Buffalo sauce and just add it to your liking. So add as much in as you would like as far as spice goes. I like Buffalo sauce, but I don't like my food super, super spicy. So I am just going to add enough to just change the color of the chicken. And then we're going to add in some non-fat Greek yogurt. I have about three tablespoons here in my bowl, but I'm going to add it little by little until I have a creamy mixture. I ended up using all of the Greek yogurt that I had. And then I'm going to season this with some dill and some parsley. Go ahead and use whatever seasonings you would like, but I love dill and I think dill complements Buffalo really, really well. Give that a mix and we're ready to start assembling the wraps. So we're making our wraps TikTok style. So go ahead and cut a slit about halfway up on your wrap and we're going to assemble this in quadrant. So one, two, three and four, starting with the bottom left, that's where we're going to add in the chicken and you do not want to overfill. So just be mindful of how much you're adding to each quadrant of the wrap. So I'm going to add about a half of a cup of the Buffalo chicken. In the next quadrant, we're going to go ahead and add in some bacon bits, about a tablespoon of fresh bacon bits. In the next quadrant, the upper right corner, I'm going to spread one wedge of laughing cow cheese all over that and then sprinkle that with some green onions. So just a couple to add that yummy green onion and then this bottom corner, I'm going to add about a tablespoon of the light shredded Mexican blend. So this is what your wrap is going to look like. Now to fold it up, start with the bottom left corner and you fold that up. Chicken goes over the bacon. Then you're going to fold to the right and then you're going to fold down lastly over that cheese and give that a little bit of a push and it makes the perfect wrap. Look at that. And then we'll just pan fry these and get them nice and crispy but let's put together the rest of our wraps. In a small pan, spray it with some nonstick cooking spray, add in your wrap and then I'm going to spray the top of my wrap as well with some nonstick spray and we're going to put this on a pretty high heat about medium high and get it nice and crispy. So here is our buffalo chicken folded wrap TikTok style. So I went ahead and just grilled that up. It's nice and crunchy, kind of like a crunch wrap. It's going to be such a fantastic lunch and what I did is just wrapped up the other three wraps and then when I go to have them for lunch, I'll just crisp them up as well but I wanted to show you what one already to go looks like. So let's go over the points and calories. This is a pound dropper recipe. It is 262 calories per wrap. It is five points on the green plan and four points on blue and purple. That's it you guys, a buffalo chicken wrap with bacon, two types of cheese for only four smart points. So I'm excited for these for the week. If you try these, definitely let me know over on Instagram or leave a comment here on the video but folded buffalo TikTok style chicken wraps for lunch. For a snack this week, we're making no-bake granola bars. I've been wanting granola bars but I really wanted a clean, healthy homemade one that was much better in points and much more satisfying. So today we're going to make those granola bars. So what you'll need is some dried cranberries, either no sugar or reduced sugar, sliced almonds, unsweetened flaked coconut, nut butter of your choice. I'm just using the Wild Friends sugar cookie peanut butter. This is what I have on hand. Dates, coconut oil, some salt, chia seeds, rolled oats and maple syrup. Do not skimp on the coconut oil. That is what binds the recipe together as well as the pitted dates. Now there is a big date controversy like I mentioned in my grocery haul. WW Counts module dates as two points a piece. I count dates as zero points because it is a dried fruit and there's no added sugar and they are so good for you. So my points for the recipe have dates in it zero. You would want to recalculate if you are going to count points for dates. So just a little heads up on that but let's get started on our granola bars. Into a food processor or blender, I'm just going to use a blender. I'm going to add in my dates. I'm actually using 20 module dates which is funny it was this entire package of dates from Trader Joe's. And then I'm going to add in just a splash of vanilla extract. We are going to put in four tablespoons of coconut oil. Three tablespoons of nut butter. Again, I have the Wild Friends sugar cookie. Two tablespoons maple syrup. And lastly, we are just going to add a pinch of salt and then I'm going to blend this up until it's a chunky mixture. Now we're going to add the remainder of our ingredients to our date mixture. You can see that it's kind of more of a chunky paste. So I have one half of a cup of sliced almonds. Again, everything is going to go right back in our blender because we're going to pulse this again. One cup of rolled oats. Three quarters of a cup of craisans. One quarter cup unsweetened coconut flakes and one quarter cup chia seeds. Now we're going to put this back on the blender or turn your food processor on for another one to two minutes. A eight by eight baking dish here and a piece of parchment paper so I can line my pan. Here is our mixture. It looks and smells so good. So we're going to add the mixture to the pan and we're going to press it down. And the recipe says really, really, really press. And when you think you've pressed enough, press some more. So we are going to press and press and press this mixture down. And here are the bars you guys. These are so good I had to taste a little bit. Amazing, like absolutely amazing. So we're going to pop these into the freezer for about 40 to 45 minutes or until they firmed up. This is exactly why we need to make sure we're using the coconut oil because that's actually what's going to help firm the bars up. So I'm going to pop these in the freezer for 40 to 45 minutes. One hour later. I just pulled the granola bars out of the freezer. They are nice and solidified. You can see there that they're definitely hardened. So what we're going to do is cut these into 16 bars. The entire batch makes 16 bars. I'll be back to share points and calories. All right, they're cut into 16 bars. So this is the size, which is a pretty good sized granola square. You can see all of the nuts and the cranberries and being made with dates, it's a nice, natural sweetener. Each granola square is 178 calories, six points on blue and green, and five on the purple plan. Now you can make some modifications if you want as far as ingredients goes. Just make sure you use the coconut oil and the dates. The rest of it, you can modify. You could use sugar-free syrup. You could eliminate or take away some of the nuts or add in some nuts. Or you could even use PB2, but I'm excited for these. I'm okay spending six points on a clean, all-natural granola bar for less than 200 calories. Thank you for joining me on another weekly WW meal prep. I hope you are as excited as I am for these three recipes. They are all incredible. You'll find them on my recipe website, which is linked down in the description box, along with that meal planner, nutrition coaching with macros and calories and one-on-one sessions, links, discount codes to my favorite things, and my Facebook group. Everything is down in that description box for you. If you enjoyed today's video, don't forget to give it a big huge thumbs up. And if you're new or not yet subscribed, head on over, join my community. We'd love to have you. Hit the little subscribe button and the bell right next to it. That way you'll get a notification whenever a video is uploaded. 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CNN hosted another voter panel. This one is from Iowa, and they're going to talk to people about the last Democratic Party primary debate Who they thought were their favorites? And they're also supposedly going to comment on who they believe should drop out of the 2020 race now I used to enjoy these but as the primary goes on these are really starting to crush my soul because it kind of demonstrates How out of touch the average person is like it's evident that not everyone is going to be Following the race super religiously, but I mean the things that people say It kind of just communicates to me that we're all screwed nonetheless Let's watch it and then I will react as they kind of vocalize their thoughts on the race It's gonna be a bad one If recent history is any guide millions of Americans will have seen tonight's debate right now though We want to narrow it down to just nine nine men and women all Democrats all but two undecided Their take on the candidates will set the tone and set it early because these all but two undecided It's November almost December and most of the people on this panel are undecided. That is That's remarkable to me. I don't know how you're undecided at this point, but nonetheless I believe in Iowa. We first met them back in June. We're always glad to see them. They watched the debate tonight with Eric Gary Tuckman Gary Anderson five months five debates We've been with the same group of loyal Democrats here in the reliably Democratic County of Johnson County, Iowa home of the University of Iowa each time And we watched the debate together today. They were all undecided when we started to now have made decisions We'll talk about that on this debate tonight's debate decisions the first four Elizabeth Warren did the best among this group. Who had the best showing tonight Roseanne? Booker Warren Booker Booker and Warren Booker and Buddha judge Booker and Klobuchar Warren and Klobuchar Klobuchar and Booker All of these people most of them all but what like two or three Think that Klobuchar had the best performance. I mean I just the very first comment. I think really highlights it. Where do they find these people? I never met a Klobuchar supporter Exactly that comment right there has 1100 thumbs up because I literally had never seen someone in the wild who supports Amy Klobuchar Like the people who I have talked to even outside of my bubble either support Joe Biden Elizabeth Warren Pete would a judge or Bernie Sanders basically the front runners, but Amy Klobuchar, she's polling at 1.5% So I mean like is CNN deliberately finding people who like Amy Klobuchar because we know at that last debate that CNN moderated They kept trying to prop up Amy Klobuchar and MSNBC obviously try to do the same thing So I mean like I don't know what's happening here, but people don't like Amy Klobuchar She's gonna get like nine votes right nine votes all of which are her family some of her family Probably won't even vote for her because she's not boring her performance at this last debate was atrocious Not to mention she was shaking the entire time like a leaf like you could see her hair Like going back and forth because she was shaking. I don't know if she was nervous or sick But I mean to say that Amy Klobuchar was good like I don't I don't understand like this doesn't make any sense to me This doesn't make any sense to me either this panel is like all strategists Or they work for Amy Klobuchar or they're just completely Weird people like I'm putting on the tin foil.  It's too strange not that many people like Amy Klobuchar This is this is not normal. This is not an accurate sample of democratic party primary voters Nobody likes Amy Klobuchar like am I missing something here?  What is wrong with you? It's like most of you the highest numbers booker Klobuchar second Warren sounds I can see booker Getting high, you know marks from them because I thought he had a pretty good performance Klobuchar did not have a good performance. I'm just going to go on an anti-klobuchar ran So we'll just watch it the third here and buda judge had one one person said buda judge One person said buda judge two people first of all, why do you think booker did the best? Who wants to tell us? He's the most inspiring He's always working on talking about the issues in a positive manner and he doesn't do any personal attacking We didn't hear biden or sanders It's how it's biders. How come no one says anything about biden or sanders in a positive way after this debate? I don't think they really Didn't think differently than what we've seen in previous debates How do you think biden did malone you you picked biden the first debate? I think we're doing the first debate but I mean for me biden was just a little off. I mean he started Mumbling on certain things. So I just kind of backed off He's been doing that since day one and bernie sanders did say things that are different He made basically history by saying we should respect palestinian human rights and dignity Big issue right now as we know first thing that was mentioned during the debate But an interesting point was amy klobuchar said our job is to look at each count when talking about impeachment Kamala Harris said we have a criminal in the white house two very different approaches Which was the best approach in this debate? Klobuchar for sure. I just love Klobuchar. So you think that was too harsh with what what Kamala Harris said about donald trump Mulled right now and and I mean the fact is he's not a convicted criminal. That's that's that's a fact, right? Okay, but but he's a criminal but you think klobuchar's approach is a better approach. Exactly.  So you think enough was mentioned about the impeachment issue during this debate Yes, what was the most important moment you thought during the debate? I think the conversation about acknowledging people of color Throughout everything not just during the election season. Yes, that was important. It came up multiple times. Yes. What do you think tub agree? I agree showing up Making sure that they show up for black women because black women Have continuously showed up at the polls. Do you want to continue seeing this? That is important, but yet they all are saying klobuchar did really well What did klobuchar say that was so remarkable? I like I don't get it People in the debates No, you know, you're going to go to the Iowa caucuses on february 3rd Is it okay if 10 or 12 people are still in the race? No, you want them to leave? I would prefer that they recognize that nationally if it's just not their time like amy klobuchar, maybe To bow out so that the other candidates can have that opportunity like amy klobuchar drop out andrew yang What anyone else andrew yang is pulling higher than amy klobuchar, but you want him to drop out and think that she did good Jesus I like I do not get the logic here. What is a lot? There is no logic. This doesn't make any sense Tulsi gambler Also pulling higher than klobuchar Final question for you. I was talking about you were all undecided when we started was that a view made a decision You have I am planning to uh caucus for amy klobuchar Two hours later Klobuchar, how about you in not yet not yet not yet not yet privately, yes, but no because privately privately So we can't we can't shake it to get it out of you You're on a panel.  Did you not think that they'd ask you? I don't like any of these people So we're still advocating for mental illness plans. Okay scott. You're the husband supporting medicare for all That includes mental health care.  Have you changed your mind about her? I have not So you're still I will still be caucusing for warren jannis Getting close not there yet not there yet. Okay, so most of our people still undecided It's still a lot of time. I did in a sentence dwindling because it is exactly 75 days into the Iowa caucuses and we're probably five days. Uh, thank them so much for uh, No, don't thank them again. It's so nice that they came back.  I need to read some of these comments Where do they find these people? I've never met club which our supporter. Thank you I've seen them trying to control the narrative on who we should vote for I think you're just bringing in people Who are stupid? Yeah, I I don't know what to say about that Everything that they said they're like usually you can find like some kernels of like truth to what they say um But like there's no redeemable aspects of that panel like they said The the one true thing that I agreed with was that they brought up black voters. Yes Booker made a very powerful powerful point about that Um, but then you go on to say Amy Klobuchar did a great job. Did she say anything about black voters? I don't know if she did. Uh, Booker made a really great Comments about that. Andrew Yang made a really powerful point about white supremacy I got Tulsi Gabbard said something that was good about that as well. I can't remember her response at the top of my head, but like the The logic here makes no sense. They absolutely adore Amy Klobuchar But they think that Andrew Yang should drop out. Um when he's out polling her I just I don't understand this this makes no sense I can't help but think that the sample here is is flawed. This is selection bias There's no other explanation because this isn't a representative sample of the average democratic party primary voter like who who Who likes Amy Klobuchar like I genuinely want to talk to an Amy Klobuchar supporter like I just don't get it. That was awful probably No, definitely the worst panel that I've watched so far I think that I need to stop watching these because it's making me lose faith in humanity Like being fully honest. This is making me legitimately like question whether or not the species can survive if we have people with this type of logic Yeah, I have nothing else to add to this. I'm just gonna rant at this point. So We'll go ahead and end the video


We're here with Corona watch on a given Monday morning. That's all there is to watch right now And we're trying to explore it from one on one side of the globe to the other This morning we want to talk about Africa because Africa has oil and gas that has been affected and that in turn will affect it It's it's many startup companies and startup economies and for this discussion We have a fellow who is well trained and well expressed in this who has written books about it best-seller books on Amazon And a number of articles and who has had a lot of school And experience with oil and gas in Africa, and that's NJ IU hi NJ. Nice to talk to you Thank you so much. Thank you for having me nice to talk to you. I hope you guys are safe out there Yeah, well everybody has to stay safe now Because the probability is a good part of the globe is going to get this virus. Sorry to say Anyway, I wanted to talk about it Now you wrote you wrote a book about oil and gas in Africa And you spoke about how the US had not kept up with Russia and was in China in terms of investing in oil and gas Let's just discuss quickly that book. It came out in October last year It was a best-seller on Amazon billions of play it was so can you talk about oil and gas as we went into the coronavirus crisis, which was only a month or two after your book came out Yes, I think the Africa oil and gas market had been had been very very exotic One of some of the biggest discoveries in Africa were done by American oil and gas companies and not just to see the big companies that it was Every day Americans from Louisiana, Oklahoma You've seen dollars to set up the distance shows and the and and the people in Africa that you've seen a steady decline In that and I think some of it came with the American share of revolution That American share revolution had done so well. So take for example in 2009 America was producing about 8 million barrels of oil a day today the United States is the largest producer of oil and gas with about 13 million I was lucky to be to be on the technical team at OPEC when they were discussing the price war and Why do you think the negotiations are things the American? Revolution has really gotten the Russian state and And we shall be and so they decided to get the price war Which is really affecting the American oil and gas industry and also affecting the African oil and gas industry right now And then you get corona virus. So you've got these twins these twin evils. I really heard in Commerce and especially small businesses startup companies that I really tried to find different for a To see how they can make they can make a living in this industry Well, how important is oil and gas? To startup companies and to the startup industries and and countries for that matter in Africa It is so important, you know, I I always I always say this word In a lot of people I do around the world with a lot of young people a lot of startups. I tell them if you want A new app you want to have a new startup go to Africa Because you can see a lot of the new problems a lot of the problems you see You use your ingenuity to create new solutions And those solutions are going to target the rest of the world because that's where you are So the oil and gas industry is so important because right now it's not about manpower to automation This technology is going to be driven in that fashion And the technology is going to be the next big game in oil and gas and especially in Africa, which is needed So think about it right now 652 million out of 1 billion Africans 650 million do not have any access to any kind of power All that matter So imagine if you can create something By using a startup with technology to really drive that That's there. That is a billion billion billion billions at play That is exactly where where the students market going with a lot of information with a lot of new things to be done And the oil industry is that drive out because most of the kids get their income from oil and they're ready to pay So what we have here as of the time of your book and maybe even into December was a Great opportunities in Africa Um, that oil was central in all of that Africa was the last great business frontier It sounds like in terms of the consonants And there were all kinds of you know positive prospects So now at the same time the coronavirus got You know got got global The the Saudis had an argument with Russia and they drove the price of oil down Where it is still today How does that reduction from I don't remember where it started from $50 $60 barrel to now in the 20s Um, how does that affect? These countries that are trying to start up these industries and businesses in In Africa wouldn't that be a good thing for them cheap oil? It is not Because what is really important is stable oil if you have stability in the market It's very very good for the start of countries because you think about it the cost of Investing the cost of starting up It sometimes it can be too high And and when you look at the risk they spoil them the risk you have to take some confidence Might just say no, it's not working. But also you have to look at most African countries that actually consume a nation You are going to consume You want no other if you are going to produce you want high oil So we believe that when you have a stable market Yet we really make it really make sense for them. But also if you give us a new chain You really look at the oil and gas market, you know That's cool in the area of climate change You cannot just be all about oil. You've also got to look about gas You're going to look about new clean technologies renewable. We've got to find the whole energy mix So all is not finished. So even when there is crisis you are always going to survive And I think that is where you really see a lot of big opportunities that No matter what happens Every day people can survive because it's not about the big company. It's a big multinational We have a way to play and thank god, you know mom and dad and all of them They love these companies. But today we want you to see small companies Growing up and making sure that we can have this the next amazon and the next six book and the next instagram And the next new new technology the new companies that are really going to provide solutions in this continent Come out of the continent because there is there and walking together with americans We can be big opportunity for us. I was lucky to be in school in america And I know what american education and american engineering can do if it works for me And I think I work a lot more out african Now let's let's talk about you for a minute if you don't mind nj You have you have university of maryland. You have graduate degree New york technology You have you've been associated with a lot of international organizations You have you have written and obviously written a lot about oil and gas in africa I take it that you are one of the leaders in oil and gas in africa and in the subjects We just discussed you are a voice in the development of africa. Am I right about that?  I think I believe in what uh so much jefferson's mom told him and said be useful So I think I have a chance to be useful Okay, so that that's that sort of sets the stage for our discussion today nj So at december january all of a sudden a new element on the world stage a new element in the national and global markets coronavirus Now coronavirus at first was limited to china And then little by little it became clear that that was not you know going to last very long It was going to go all over the place and the world health organization began making noises like yes Maybe this is a pandemic and ultimately it got to africa And the concern in africa was the health infrastructure was insufficient to carry a significant number of cases um, so tell us how Uh, how coronavirus is doing so to speak in africa and where and how is it affecting business in general? I think it is affecting businesses in general around africa The continent is seeing I think about more than a dozen countries are going to have a shutdown I was in Equatoria again And the day I left it had a shutdown I went to nigeria for a speech the day I left it had a shutdown and I came to South africa with my family And right now the pregnant announced it's going to be a shutdown from from a third day So I think the second very drastic measure I think one of the one of the key benefits of Actually, there's no benefit of corona But for africa has been the last story where the virus is now attacking It's that we have seen the Um, the mistakes of many other nations and we can see some lessons mine. So I think leadership is saying listen Attack is issue very strong Have the right kind of quarantine self-isolation Have the shutdowns and it might be painful for 14 to 21 days But he would he would save a lot of lives because right now With africa much having a lot of infrastructure health infrastructure and everything We don't want to be the burden of the world We don't want to be the ones that are begging all the time And I think that is really something that we have to look at look at even We have uh, you know, universal health care is the best way to come But it's getting deep so we thought maybe shutting down And containing this and really eradicating this in a very fast in a fast-track manner Might be good. But when it comes to the business community, yes business is hurt I think a lot of world's reworking business think about it. I have people working offshore oil and gas in a lot of platforms offshore They can't even come because airplanes can't move. You can't retake people That's everything has been shut down. So you have to do this or walking 28 days Then go back to Louisiana, Alabama, Hawaii or new york You would have to be there for 60 days non-stop and you have that going on and on and on and on And so it's it's it's it's a great new world, but we have to also look at The opportunity I think my generation sometimes a little bit spoiled and I know it's people my age that complain about shutdown But I think when I think about my father and grandfather and some of the grandfathers and fathers that met in america This was world war two. That was his shutdown and it was very difficult. It put lives at risk If you went to vietnam, it went to korea and some of our friends He went to the gall to fight that was our thing So if we can be patient and sit at home and the quarantine or self isolation for 14 days To be a very dangerous virus that that hurts our seniors more. I think it's what's doing You're a lawyer and so you'd be I take it that you support the the shutdown support the isolation orders and the quarantine orders um But the question I have is uh, it's a number of countries involved It's a number of countries that have issued shutdown orders in africa As there are a number of states that have issued shutdown orders in the u.s And not all the not all of them are the same not all of the people in those countries react the same So from a legal point of view country to country You know, and I'm speaking about your law background now Um Are these orders being enforced are people Listening is the government are the governments involved taking actions with force enforce these orders You know One thing I learned the state developed being a country lawyer So you try to be humble on that given legal advice, but What are you looking at that governments are enforcing it People are taking it serious because there's a thing what has happened in the west You've seen what has happened in china You've seen what has happened to business For one, I am people are taking it very serious I mean before maybe the shutdown There was some tough quarantine But then you have you have you have and you have some people who decided to go out there and party and not respect Some of the safety rules, but it's also the other thing also that we I have advised both states Is to ensure that the basic freedoms people's human rights and people's civil liberties And not for directly infringing upon when it comes to the shutdowns because it is we we're walking a fine line Which in the sense of corona virus In basically infringing on all kind of civil liberties though There is um to the credit of some of the government they have actually reached out for credit guidelines not to infringing on civil liberties But it's also and it's often moral appeal to people to really know that we are in some We are facing some unchallenged water I just told you about a lot of young men and women who walking offshore oil and gas That is them going home in 28 days. You would have to be for 60 days So we all have to cheat in we all have to be part of this and it's going to be a little bit uncomfortable But we all have to know that The end of it is going to be good. It's going to be good for us But government has government has to be very warned We have to pay a lot of attention not to infringing on people's civil liberties Because it is not right and we shouldn't the Africa that we want should not be that Africa that That we are allowing stuff because we are valid in human rights in the cross as well Mm-hmm, nj. You're more than a oil and gas leader. You're a leader in general. May I say You know a few days ago. There was a story on Lagos uh, and ebola a few years ago And uh, Lagos, I mean, I don't think people in this country realize how how populated some of these cities are Lagos, I think was a 21 million people 21 million people right now And the story of ebola and Lagos is very interesting because it got from a smaller city it got into Lagos and had it had Had it expanded from Lagos had it gone anywhere in the world and and it could have Lagos as an international hub at that size Uh, it would have been a global epidemic, but somehow they stopped it in Lagos. Are you familiar with what happened? Yes, I am. I think that there is the good news is that this comes with some of the basics, which I think even American society could learn from Africa In some places when you put the education at the top No matter what happens People they might not have all the means but when they have that education they would know how to do some things, right? They look at it the Nigerian Teaching hospitals have been well trained a lot of really Educated doctors some of them were lucky to go to school in the united states and great Britain and Germany They were back just back in the attic in Nigeria walking and they were quick to intervene and really engaged in very good public health Training and they stopped the ball after the spread and I think I actually see the difference In Nigeria when I went there with how we were all checked for corona. They had five I mean you you don't even see that in the united states They could test for five minutes and to be quickly Very engaged and quality and people who who had who had symptoms and they were very professional and I think from having had the experience is dealing with this disaster in the past They are very very very prepared and I think Some of the good things just think that when you look at you when you in hawai or anywhere in the united states You could actually look at some good things coming out of Africa and think about it Let me not switch you a little bit into technology Some of the best case system When you look at this calling Tesla M P E S a Mobile money pay system. We look very in Africa out of Kenya and it works so well So sometimes we go this day to go to Europe. We like these guys are so behind when it comes to Mobile money and and payments with securing everything. So They are some good things to look at to look at there because I mean think about a grandma in the village You don't have bank accounts. So you you're looking at one billion people only about only about 160 million according to the world bank data have bank accounts Now most people your bank account is on their phones They use their phones as their bank as their bank payment to do to have only transaction because they're moving in a far more capital society And I think we are we are using a lot of data for failing That's why you see some of the guys in silicon valley Most of them spending a lot of time around african cities Looking at new things to understand communities and say we can really develop programs and projects for the future And and I think one of the key things we have seen is always been really important in old health care We have to look at things of the future and tend to be stuck with today And I think Africa offers that challenges new challenges They hope that also if people that are vibrant that know they can be something and they can divide up That's really what makes it makes it unique Now here here So can you give us a snapshot of how things are doing in other words? I don't think it was reported early on that there were cases in africa And that of course everybody knew that there would ultimately be cases everywhere But what's the status of those cases? How many cases are we talking about? Where is it popping up? And how successful is the is the containment? It's popping up in south africa. There are 400 cases right now I have a friend of mine who got tested positive for the virus And so South Africa is in a shutdown. Cameroon has about 100 cases And we are also going to do a shutdown. Equatoria Guinea has about six cases We're going to be a shutdown. Senegal has about 200 Nigeria has less than 20 So if they're not that small which is good So it's really important to contain Quickly and move and take drastic measures But it's also an issue of leadership I think what we have learned is that in times of this crisis We need leadership to be able to look at the population and say we are all in this together You know, so maybe sometimes you might have to stay away from Grandpa or grandma a little bit But sometimes we all just have to wash our hands If you don't have the border and actually the cases are popping up We have we have received a lot of support from the united states From europe from the world health organization There's sometimes the lack of infrastructure is also a problem Some some some communities are building mobile mobile support centers to really support those who really need help And we hope that with the lockdowns we might be able to contain it And we also have to we just have to be disciplined We have to try to be useful and that I think That would really help us to be described to because it's global It's not just a chinese problem or an american problem or your pink problem Yes, it's an artisan problem as well and we we we are part of that problem Yeah, but you have any thoughts about the american solution or maybe the american delay in a solution I think you know america is its country The there is there is nothing like america I think sometimes, you know We we always I always make fun of my friends. I say When americans look at solutions you get in the room, you know americans are there They either loud They the voice trust and sometimes we start That's when you look at uh When you look at your william united has responded. I give a lot of credit to the governor They have really seen At the strong line the mayors We are really trying to look at because these people work every day with the communities the federal government In the united states, which I think a lot of people expected them to do more. They're waking up There is a lot of things which you look in which you are congress going to put about Um, you know about two or three trillion dollars with the market and everything But at the end of the day, it's not just all about money It's about really responding to these things and really seeing how you can take some decisive action agency people But right from the top Sometimes you need to send a message That really calms down a shipping mission the america people are shipping Because they've never seen that we need to see leadership on the top And if you see folks people and this is time for people to come together and really say we buy everything We can be here. This is the country that puts people on the moon. This is the country that That stays here from from the masses. This is the country that turns turns turn itself around and Be the evils of sergations and had a more free society. So there's nothing I don't think the americans can be I think if there's one country I never felt against is that it's america Well, that's right. I think giving the best education in the world I've never been worried and being america knows how to speak itself. They always find a way to get it right And anybody who gets against america Is a fool and bring the day and is a fool at night because you've never said against america Thank you, renche I just you know something you mentioned in fact in many things you said here today it suggests that The leaders are important obviously make yourself useful from jefferson. That's very important But you know, it seems like this may be an opportunity for countries and leaders And people to come together And I'd like to know your thoughts about whether that is or could Or will happen in africa because a lot of the countries in africa are not necessarily tied together very well Will this improve the bonds among them? I think it has it is improving the bonds because a lot of them because of the Infrastructure gaps and shortage in health and facilities They are having more conversation and more communication than I've ever seen They are really reaching out to one more than say, how are you doing this or what are you doing? And I think both lines of communication Lines of communication have Have opened and I think there is now going against even barriers that exist that where people like either they have People wars or they've had political crisis With one another now they're actually talking together and I think you know when you sit on the table There's nothing you change things when you're on the table and I think they are getting the table Yeah, I want to continue more more connected and one of the things I got the biggest crowd About africa is that we have not We have not still ties anybody You know most of their corona cases They're first 200 cases that came around the continent. They came from europe and china It was it wasn't assistant It was european tourists and european migrant workers that were coming into Work on high-profile jobs with a like a peace cause or working as teachers that came in corona And there's nothing stereotype and I think that's that's that's that's that's you know You have this for joy when you see that because what is it is always easy is to Change the this to the to update you in this field among us So why is that really good for us because we've been in a lot of solidarity and we have been one another and reaching out to one another We're calling people that would even talk to for a while We want to talk to them on birthdays and and and everything that also We are reaching out twice to our european colleagues. I mean my son We've done it at $50,000 to the city of berlin because during difficult times in the past this supported us And I we are doing a lot of charity work Not just within africa but also with american cities Because this supported us i mean I wouldn't be here without america or american cities If it took it took me and they gave me one of the best indications the world a train you to show me how To be a man and live life So when america is in crisis in crisis and we have to support them and actually that is what people are really shocking Is that taking us back to our roots and say we are in this together because this crisis Can erase us as a people if we are not careful and it's going to change our relationship going forward because Going forward we are going to have to think about creating opportunities Finding skills thinking about the future and this is really where the tech community comes in They really have to think about the future so that they can see these things coming and stop it because the human race It's a challenge for human race and we are we can do better and this generation with all the technology and all the gifts we have Is this same these things like you can think about this in future? Then we then we're missing the point in jay ayuk Leading light in africa a statement of africa's future And when we get through with corona virus, and I hope that soon soon we'll hear more about him We'll read about him. Thank you so much nj. It's been wonderful to talk to you aloha Thank you, aloha. Thank you and uh, i'll be in july to hawaii 15 years and i promise i'll come back with my family All right deal. Thank you so much


And I want to welcome you all to Scientista's Donuts and Discussions. On behalf of the board, we really appreciate you all coming out to today's discussion. And I'm taking the time as well as our panelists taking time out of their schedule as well. To kind of reintroduce you all to who Scientista is, we are a local chapter here at UB. And we're here to promote diversity as well as race, women's representation, and STEM fields with a focus in computer science at the moment. So to kind of get into today's event, the topic is diversity. And we want to make it for first years to kind of talk about, you know, their input on diversity and kind of get their opinion on it as well as get the audience's feedback from it too. So to introduce our panelists for today, we have Professor Chris Schiller. Hi. How many of you know me? I'm from the engineering side of the bank, so if any of you in the computer organization side, computer microprocessors, embedded systems, et cetera. Great. All right, now we have Professor Jeffrey Chow. No applause. Stand up. Do you know 421? I just graduated about 7 months ago, so some of you guys may have me at some point. And last but not least, we have Professor Vina, Mama Berthby. I've been in the computer science for a long, long time, well before these guys came in about 30 years. And nearly 30 years, I should say. And I teach, at this point, I teach a lot of low-level courses and the sophomore junior-level courses. And one of the courses I teach is heavily diversified. It's not for computer science, just for general education. But I can tell you more about it at the discussion. Great. Well, thank you all for coming out today. We really appreciate you taking out the time. And I'm kind of to delve into today's discussion on diversity. We want to start off with how do you all define diversity? And what is your evaluation of the quality in the CS department? Anyone who wants to start off first, please. I'm going to draw an example from where I come from. When I started my engineering, I did my bachelor's in engineering. I had about, I think, 3% by females. I mean, I'm thinking about male-female as the diversity. It doesn't have to be. And now I look back at some of the institutions in India. I come from India. Clearly, it's more than well represented by females. 60 females or 40 males or something like that are 50-50. So I think in our department, when you come to our department, and I look at my class, you know, when they say, oh, there are scholarships available for females, hardly I have what, you know, 5 to 10% females in my class, in the class I teach, in the computer science department. On the other hand, I teach a class at the 100 level. This class is for general education. There are 46 different majors. You can see the diversity. And there are equally represented 50-50. And I teach really hardcore programming in JavaScript and all kinds of stuff. There's a stack that is so popular in emerging technology. And the people who do very well, believe it or not, are the females. So I mean, I'm just specifically looking at the females there and they are doing very well. They're all from all kinds of majors. So I feel that, you know, diversity doesn't mean that it doesn't have to be male-female. It doesn't have to be majors. If you do it the right way, you can always teach the right things to anybody, I feel. So that's my opinion. But our department doesn't have the diversity that we're talking about. The entire field doesn't have the diversity. I mean, to me, I think, you know, diversity seems like a label that's thrown around that identifies some specific quality of the population. But I would just like your scientists to look like everybody else. I would like us to be a subset of the general population.  Look like the rest of the United States. You can look at us in a variety of different ways. You can look at us in terms of gender. You know, I think that's a reasonable starting point because that's a... I mean, obviously that's something that's very out of whack, right? But that's also maybe one of the more basic, you know, components of human diversity, right? It's about 50-50 globally. Right, so we could get there, I don't think.  And I would like us to look, you know, more broadly as a university. I think I'd also like us to look like a general, you know, sample of the population. So that's, you know, so it's almost like I don't see it as diversity. I just see it as that's what everyone else looks like, right? I just want us to be normal, right? I don't want us to be so skewed. You know, right now we're very diverse, right? Weirdly white group, right? Look at this panel, right?  Talking about diversity, right? Because when I laughed about this a few minutes ago and I said, well, this is just, so we're here as a symbol of the problem, right? Actually, the problem is worse than this panel because to have one-third female. I know, we're doing good. We just doubled the gender ratio in the department, you know. So, yeah, I mean, I think we can do a lot better. I think we need to do a lot better as well because I think from a product standpoint and what we do in the field, the people who design technology, programs, embedded systems, et cetera, who's the ultimate user, the client, the customer? People are going to buy this. And you bias things based on your experiences. So when you design an interface, for example, that interface is based on how you would prefer it to look, what you're used to. And by having a more diverse field, a more diverse group of people, the products themselves are better in tune with the people that are going to use them. Okay, so it sounds like diversity in terms of how we should be tapping it is just, it should just represent, you know, what we see on a daily basis. I just don't see it compelling. I mean, and I think the way I think about it too, I just don't see, I've never heard a compelling argument why we shouldn't look representative of the broader population, right? I mean, you get some people that make these weird arguments that are more quantitative or something like that, and there's some sense that that's true. But if you think about the actual job of the software engineer that people work in technology, right? I mean, you're not locked in a room 20 hours a day, write a computer code, no contact with other people, right? So a lot of that job comes down to other types of abilities, right? Where there's a lot more care between the sexes, even if you believe that's what it was in terms of interacting with people and working in teams and being able to communicate and stuff like that. Like I said, I've never heard a compelling reason why we shouldn't have a group of computer scientists that looks like everybody else. Sounds good. So kind of moving on to our next question. What does the department miss out on due to a lack of diversity or maybe more so with the way our conversation's going? It's not just being like how, what we see on a daily basis, when we go out to the world, there's mix of cultures. So what is the department missing out on due to this? I do interact with a lot of people from other departments. I'm sure both of these do. I feel that there's a lot of creativity in the goldmine of ideas when I go talk to somebody in dance and theater. So I think likewise, somebody comes from a different background, different outlook, different opinion, so you can get ideas that are different from that of a homogenous group. A bunch of men working together. I'm just going back to the usual theater type, typical diversity. You add a couple of women there, you may get some totally different ideas. That's what I think we are missing out on. Different outlook, just even in simple things like interface design. I would like it this way, I would like it that way. It is not single-minded, one person, one denomination kind of outlook. You have inputs from different people, different types of users, and a representative population. I don't love the phrasing of this question, but I'm not sure that, I think there's plenty of stuff that we miss out on, but I just think as a department, as a faculty, we have a responsibility, an institutional and a social responsibility to try to create as representative a body of computer scientists as we can. That's kind of our job. I think we should be sitting back to be satisfied because we have a lot of computer scientists and 85% of them are white dudes. That's just not right. That's a sign that we're doing something wrong. I feel like it's not this feature that we're trying to implement. It's a bug that we're trying to get rid of. We have this problem. We're not doing a good job of exciting people about computer science. I think that has broader implications outside the university. Primarily that lack of diversity inside the university. It's not like we want diversity because it's this one new thing. We want to fix the problems that are preventing us from attracting a diverse group of people. I guess based on that, what are some things the department and staff can do to address diversity? Looking at students ourselves maybe within the university or maybe even outside in our community. We do a lot of K through 12 outreach. I truly believe that the problem starts long before people get here. I think it's a social issue. I think it's the way that children are brought up. People, fields are stereotyped. I think that doesn't help matters. I think by the time a lot of these people get into high school they think that this is a field that is defined by this population and people will go back to typing this example. Women and men, it's a male dominated field and that's what it ought to be. It's not what it ought to be but I think that's what these folks think as they come up. To fix the problem we need to go well beyond some of its outreach to break these stereotypes. I will come after that because I'm the contrast to that. I think that we have problems at multiple parts of the pipeline. We have problems at KV-12 and after people leave college. I'm a college educator and I have the most influence here at KV-12. My concern is are we moving the needle? We get students that come in with all sorts of preconceived ideas about computer sciences and it's possible and part of what happens when you're interested in computer science that come in on day one. That core is very unrepresentative and it's due to the problems that Chris has identified. Our job is to wrap... I don't want to lose those people. The way to increase diversity is not to drive people away from the field. I don't want to lose the gamers and the white guys who grew up on the computer I don't want to lose those people and push as much other to increase the reach of computer science so that we do a job of moving us towards a more diverse environment. That's our responsibility. We can't always keep pointing fingers at KV-12. That's a part of the problem but we're a part of the problem and there's lots of evidence there's plenty of schools that have done things internally and have been able to produce much more representative student thoughts. There's plenty of evidence so we can take those same students and I'm not denying that there are plenty of stereotypes about computer science and who should be a computer scientist and if you look at the levels of exposure to computers for their kids and blah blah blah but you come to college and it's sort of like a moment where students I think are open to a lot of new ideas you're being introduced to new fields there's new courses to take there's a lot, so for example people say well we need to have computer science taught in high school because that's the only way people are going to learn about it and it's never going to be taught in high school and those fields still attract and we don't think the anthropology department is saying we need to teach anthropology in high school so that people will get excited about it and think about their college, it's never going to happen these are fields that people are exposed to when they get to college and they still manage to become interested so again I think that the, now you guys if you guys want to get involved through KV-12 outreach absolutely, that's a great thing to do but I think faculty in the department we have to be really satisfied that we've done as much as we can internally to do things on campus and to improve our department before I think we start spending a large amount of efforts in trying to fix other parts of the world so that's my decision one of the things that we think that you have to be computing only if you're a computer scientist I've worked with people who are not even computer science majors who are doing very well in the computing process that we're talking about so it doesn't have to be you cannot count just the people who are majors, there are people who are outside who are still doing computing I think most of the people outside also are doing computing, they don't have a degree in computing that's all so that's something and also my feeling on that another note, the pool that is provided to us to select from university admissions pool that itself is the raw material from which we start attracting people to computer science that itself is not representative of the diverse pools that we have outside I think this is not true of many Ivy League schools I hear I think maybe you're I know that when they admit at least the male-female ratio they admit make sure there are 50-50 I don't want to name schools at least in that diversity you can guess which school it is and then from there you have the pool which is right there diverse and then you go on and also you understand that I have a colleague who is completely all-female school he says, oh we have 100% increase in female enrollment he says there diversity means something else so I think the counting of how many females are doing how many underrepresented minorities are doing computing is somewhat not correct I feel it doesn't have to be majors you don't have to be a major to be doing computing, you can be outside and do a minor, do a few courses here things like that but you simply want people to do computing I mean to be and also you don't want to force the issue it has to be, I feel it has to be organic you know, you simply say alright we want more computer scientists everybody come and do computers and another thing I feel is that you have to go to place where there is diverse population rather than bringing them into your they may want to do dance but you can go there and say you can do computing if diversity in computing is what we are talking about I feel that's my opinion I mean what is the gender ratio of UV? no I don't think so incoming incoming female male it is roughly 50 the chances of all is almost 50-50 but we are not really like horrible computer science or engineering in general we are not representative of UV you may not be representative of the outside world but we are not any more close to being representative of UV and I think the funny thing about the idea of the exposure document is that I think a lot of these ladies institutions are actually having to depress the number of women because I think if they admitted them with equal criteria it would be a higher percentage of women you guys have to accept this you guys all know this but that is the other thing we are losing out with not having women in computer science because if you look actually in college across a lot of different disciplines women outperform men on most universities so we are missing out on those really good computer science you guys may appreciate that because your grades are a little bit better the other thing I wanted to add to this is that I am not in any way going to try to say that I am some sort of anti-stereotype but I grew up I had a Nintendo when I was a kid I played some computer games I programmed some basic back in the day my uncle got me a book on C programming when I was in high school but I got to college I never opened that book I was going to be a physics major I spent a whole year as a physics major and really what drew me in and maybe this is something I am sort of passionate about is that I took a course in computer science so I was again I looked like the stereotype white guy who showed up on campus and was like I am going to do computers and I actually don't have an undergraduate degree in computer science so I was really sort of drawn in by an apartment that taught intro courses very well that made the field very compelling and on the look, was I sort of culturally predetermined to maybe be a little bit more interested in that sort of thing maybe not show up on campus day one and want to program computers and I missed a lot of earlier opportunities to learn about the program and to kind of piggyback what you were saying before internally kind of I guess about to see how they should be involved internally and being able to kind of bring more diversity or get a better representation of the population what is it that you guys are doing internally or hope to possibly do in the future or is that something that you've been thinking about on a daily basis is that a concern or maybe something more of a back burner I think, you know and I both can speak on this but we do teach intro courses where we have non majors non CS majors and not computer engineering majors and one of the things I try to do in those courses is to try to expose that population to the field because we have undecided in there as well and to have them realize what the field is about that it can be exciting show them some of the more fascinating facts of the field in the hopes that we can take some people who would be really talented in this field and get them to think, wow, I am undecided and I think that's the route that I want to go and I've had a substantial non negligible number of students come up and talk to me and actually end up in our department and being that you teach 11 and that's what happens and also it's greatly for engineering people, long engineers take my course and also I have spoken to a lot of people who are now college students computer science majors who took non majors course they were not going to do computing and they've gone on to do computer science once again I just want to emphasize it doesn't have to be, you can tell I know that most of you guys are all computer science majors it doesn't have to be for you to be counted as computing you don't have to be a computer science major you can be doing any computing, any kind of hardcore computing without having a degree in computing I don't know whether they agree these guys agree or not I feel that because I learned it all by myself when I did engineering there was any programming available the same way when I keep myself up to date by learning by myself likewise I've seen students, I've gone, I've invented students who are not computer science majors who are going to be doing computer science PhD, believe it or not they've not taken a single course probably in computer science department they are different majors some other majors and they are going on to do it's simply that it's simply that the realization is that we need to have representation in computing from all the fields I think that's a theme of the talk so you can have them over like maybe have them over in your club tell them about computing, maybe they take a couple of courses get interested maybe for masters they can do computing like that I totally agree with you about it, it's been an invasive computing but I think we still need to look at our majors and say it's not acceptable for majors to look like that I mean if we do a good job of reaching out and I completely agree I mean programming should be a service course the way the calculus is I think 10 years from now I was really disappointed to see in the dead end things that we didn't get really solid programming courses and there is an option because you guys know how powerful these tools are I mean these are the best tools for solving problems period you guys know the sort of superpowers that you require when you start to be able to learn how to write code you can do things that your friends and a bunch of other areas would find super useful and you can do them like millions of times faster and that to me is the thing that we need to get out there and get into the community and get everybody to use and I think that's one of the things we lose out when we lose diversity we lose, Chris touched on this a little bit before but I see computing as the most powerful tools for solving problems that we may have ever created in the history of the world the pretty press is up there so I want people to have this tool so they can solve problems and I want everybody to have this tool because we have a lot of interesting problems to solve and if the people that have this tool are white men who live in San Francisco then we're going to have a lot of car sharing services and very few apps that address hunger and poverty and inequality and other big societal problems that's sort of a stereotype about San Francisco but it's sort of true, it's a little sad it's like white San Francisco problems get solved by apps all the rest of us are sitting around still trying to figure out how to use words so I think as far as I'm concerned it's stuff that we can do in the park so for example somebody pointed this out in one of the earlier universities events maybe this has been fixed, maybe it hasn't but we didn't even have a three-year flow sheet up there showing somebody how they could get a degree in computer science in three years so it's like if you don't step on the 115 bus on day one as a freshman too bad this is a computer science degree you shouldn't have to immediately know on day one of your island campus what you want to do we need to have plans for people who figure this out a little bit later and want to get involved in computer science totally oversight we have as part of the Gen Ed thing we're going to start offering some freshman seminars in the first year which I think will be very cool if you guys want to do something simple find the faculty member of the department you know best and tell them I heard about these freshman seminars it would be awesome if you could teach one these are going to be 25 student classes I'm hoping this is the way it will look there's some discussion in the department about how we're going to handle this but I think it would be awesome if you came in in the first year and you had contact with the faculty member you could work on a particular set of problems in a small context and get started in the department in a way that's a little less anonymous than some of the huge courses that we teach but I also think we need to look at some of our intro courses and figure out how can we better attract students how can we in part of the success or failure of those courses has to be what the department folks like right because that's our moment that's the moment when we can find smart students, anybody on campus and show them what computers are like and get them hooked I just think this is the coolest stuff on earth, I think a lot of you guys agree and I think once people start to find out this stuff is incredibly powerful there are these incredible success stories at Harvard they teach intro computing like a real concentrator level introduction of computing in one semester to 800 students Harvard is about a quarter of the size of you so a quarter of their student body now takes this class 25% of students this is not a tech school and most of them are computer science majors this sort of speaks to what Veena was talking about in the base of people that participate but they learn how to build a website they learn how to build C programs, they do a bunch of cool things and they walk away from the class with a real useful skill that they can apply to bio or arts or whatever they want to do I think that I think if we could get there I don't necessarily want our department to get more time to talk to them although that would be awesome we also have to be willing to grow as a department if we're scared to grow what we're going to end up with or just the diagram of people who knew they wanted to do computer science and they showed up and I think that's another problem that we're having as a department is for a variety of reasons that I'm going to bore you with we're scared to grow I think we are sort of terrified of what would happen if we really succeeded and see people in computer science as the school and we ended up with three times as many people because we don't feel comfortable that the resources would be there to actually deliver the quality of education in the long run so we're all moving to that idea that we want to make people who are not familiar with computer science how useful it can be whether they want to go into the field of computer science or other fields and how it can actually be fun because a lot of times people feel like it's such a serious you know, kind of major something scary so it seems like kind of moving to how fun it is and how useful and powerful it can be would be something that might get more interest and get a better representation in our field and I also had an idea of the growth that something that was very important and I'm I guess kind of moving on to our last question for today before we open up the open forum to all you guys is what levels of diversity have you experienced throughout your time as a student and professionals I spent time in industry and you know, I work mainly with we have mechanical engineers and electrical engineers and my background is electrical like these and the ratio that we saw was first one we want to see I work in a research group, I can tell you that in my experience I work with a lot of research groups, nothing to do with computer science, outside computer science males and females and the one that sustained for the past five years we work so beautifully is all female you know, maybe all men will work like that I think it's simply that we kind of pitch in for each other and the way we plan things like going to conferences, how we make up for each other oh, it's unbelievable so usually when a research group is formed and we people work by the end of it we are done, that's how it works out I think many other times but this has been going on for the past five years it's not that we meet every day but it's simply that it's all female group and we kind of you know, understand each other very well and very nice products and come out of it it's a success story I feel and I also have another collaboration with another female I can tell you that she had a difficulty working with a male our department and so she came to me and we've had a couple of grants and we've been working on it very well so I think there's a I mean, the contribution of having a female in your group is always I think impactful I would say for a research and that is what many groups are missing out so that's why yeah, I mean I second these comments I remember when I was Harvard as a PhD student I took a job sort of as an RA that's probably the closest analog so I was going to be in the position where I was working closely with college students and it was a job that my wife and I both did we both loved but I remember feeling like this was the first time that I had really had a professional relationship with like a significant number of women because there were a lot of other women who were in this part of the staff for this particular house and it was really helpful for me and it really made me feel a lot weirder when I went back to my department because it was like you know, walk the halls here for days on end and I don't see very many women or any women sometimes and I don't know I think sometimes doing this is a challenge for the men in the audience, I think that our field is actually sort of in this little bit of a death spiral where there's so few women and it's so male dominated that we're producing a culture that's actually causing women to leak so even when we have one who joins the field and thinks it's really cool there's all these sad stories about them graduating they go out to the work place and many times they really once is too many and then they quit and so that and it's us and the way that we act and how we're treating people and I know myself that I'm sure I do lots of things like this and I wish I had someone around to sort of point out and I tried to learn a little bit about some of the things that men do that cause women to be uncomfortable and shut down with discussions and general language to be used and stuff like that but it's hard when you're around guys almost the time because you know there's certain things that you start to just think they're kind of normal they're kind of okay and those are things that are really in many cases very very difficult for women to put up with and they shouldn't have to fight because they're just their women so I think it's a good time so we can open up the floor to you guys I'm just to let you know we'll be ending exactly at 4.50 for anyone who has classes at 5 so please feel welcome so if anyone wanted to just kind of start off but they had a question first of all thanks for being on this panel taking that time out of your day to do this I think the last thing that was said really is the biggest takeaway and so I've gone to like other talks surrounding like diversity problems and things and they're just talks right like we can talk about this problem and get together and have these like pow wows but what can we do is a short term action to actually have an impact on this problem because like something that I've started doing recently is I've started defaulting into she when I talk about something or someone that I don't know gender so like if I'm talking about an engineer instead of saying like oh and he does this thing I'll say she does this thing which I think has like a small impact but it also shows a lot of care and carefulness in your addiction so what are other sort of things that we can do as a student students in the computer science department we can kind of publicize I would say publicize good things about computer science and ask them to come into computing I would say so tell them about the success stories that you know the male and the female and it is not that difficult to survive you can tell them all the good things about the department and you know and computing for them to get it and for the females I would say maybe you can spray I would say just ignore if somebody talks very harsh to you it's their problem it's not your problem so just ignore and carry on I would say that's something you should have a thick skin to survive in computer science I can tell you from my personal opinion so just ignore just do your best I think you can do very well so I would say just at creative what I do in my class I want to give away the secret I have my students here I just make sure I know every one of my female students personally I know them like for years to come where they seem sad and I call upon them in my class she is magnanimous she has never had a class she has never had a class in my class she has never taken a course in my life but I think I know her from the document we've had very heated arguments with the Gala and myself Friday afternoons I told her I promised her a job because we had a discussion at the end of it I didn't say I am going to take out a coin but I told her I will get you somewhere we have really nice discussions specifically I reach out to the female students and also not just male-female I think I don't want to even though this kin you see all these posted about the graduate students of Kallur so I also make sure every person who contributes to the diversity of the class is given personal attention I don't tell it out ever but I think I am just telling it to you I just make sure I know there I know Dalton and I do that it's not just the skin it's not just male-female it's also other kinds of things which is not noted in the university the person who is an extrovert all those things you just as a teacher pay attention to that not paying a lot of attention it should come organically you look at somebody how they talk, how they solve problems how they answer questions and then you pick them and make sure they are mentored so that's something that I do in my own way to contribute to the diversity and I am doing that I just go all out in my non-wage discourse the people who are contributing to the diversity I think let me try to give advice to the white guys and I am not perfect following the advice of myself but I will say for the white guys that are here you probably have a tendency to think that this is good that you are here and that maybe that means that you are somehow not part of the problem and I would say you are doing better than most by being here you are doing better than most by acknowledging this is a problem and I think those things are really important so even if all we do for the next couple of years with this group is just continue to identify that there is a problem I think that accomplishes something because it allows people from the outside it allows the women and the other minorities among us to at least recognize that we know that we are athletes this isn't the way we want things to be this is a feature, it is a bug we want it to go away, we will keep talking about it now at some point we need to actually do some stuff and actually show some part I think at least beginning is just going to take a little while so at least just identify that there is a problem and understanding that and be willing to acknowledge it is a step but I would also point out and I have learned this from reading accounts online with minorities in the field there are a lot of things that you probably do that you are not entirely aware of that end up turning people off and making it difficult for them to work with you so go out and read some of those and I would say if you are trying to do the right thing it is even more frustrating when you are doing these things inadvertently so it is hard to be like I do it all the time that is not what I meant I didn't mean to come off as aggressive and bossy I am just really excited about the project but I think reading some of those accounts from the other side will give you a little bit more context and will allow you to avoid doing things that have consequences that you don't want like if you want women to be comfortable working with you you want to be able to inspire groups of people that look differently than you and think differently than you and there is tools and approaches out there and there is some perspective that you can get to a lot of results the third thing I would say though and I think this is really important because there is a small number of people in this room and a large number of people aren't here we have to stop accepting this sort of behavior when we see other people doing it just stop say something point out when you feel like people are doing things that you are not comfortable with we can't expect the one woman on every engineering team to be constantly fighting these battles it is not fair to look at why women leave the field sometimes it is because of this they are constantly having to push their way into projects point out the things that they did really sort of work really hard to establish themselves in ways that men don't and part of your role can be to make sure that doesn't have to happen stick up for those people and help them feel included and also when you see people that are behaving in ways that are negative or have stereotypes about the field say something don't be a joke about it unless you want to be unless that person did something particularly egregious in which by all means go off on them because that is the right response but I think some of this is also just rooted in ignorance and other people have thought about these issues you ought to carefully I hope that the reason we have this problem isn't because 60% of the white men in this field are actively trying to get everybody else to believe that who knows maybe that's true that would be very sad but I don't think that's the case I just think in a lot of cases it's a small minority that behave badly and a lot of us don't understand how our actions are perceived and so if we can work on ourselves and not doing things unintentionally and also work to silence that small group and get that that's a portion of the field that I would be happy to see go with then we are going to over time we'll be doing a better job of creating an environment in the house that makes people feel comfortable I think we've focused a lot today on the fact that diversity, we're talking about gender we've heard members not just gender diversity goes far beyond that and I think we've focused on that almost a little too much today but I think we need to remember that as well and everything that we talked about that gender is important to make people feel diverse in general I think it was the easiest example to pick on a show it's representative it's a little obvious I sort of feel like it's step one let's do that first sort of discussion was there or discussion was there panel's not diversity you can't blame them although there is one guy with dress shoes not one guy with that so there's an aspect of diversity that we're on I'd like to know what do you think about the current course material and the flow sheet that we have for computer science how do you think this current flow sheet encourages students to be interested in computer science one thing that is perfect for me was that I'm a junior and I'm still learning to complement a semester basis there are a lot of predictions how do you think we can change that to help people to be interested in computer science so I I'll tell you first because I have strong feelings about this I think our computer science curriculum stinks it's terrible and this is one thing that you guys could actively help change tell somebody tell Aidong tell a treat if I might if I might don't even know my name faculty and I'm supposed to take over there's no supposed to there he's going to he's going to I'll arrange a life so one of the things that I've already started doing and I've talked to a lot many of you is how, what will you do to change we are starting off with it's not going to be a one-day process not probably not one semester for about one year to take us some time but we're going to definitely by fall we're going to start looking at all we want to look at the first year courses next semester the second year courses and so forth so that in two years starting from this fall we are basically doing the whole thing I am currently already soliciting comments on 113, 116 comments teaching API I'm more than happy to come and talk to want to meet face to face that's probably fine just send me an email lately about coming to school I'll be more than happy in fact if you have something to say I highly encourage you to contact me immediately because I'm working on a document that I'm going to introduce to you that I'm going to walk over this weekend and I'm going to take that one step further too I know that your comments were with regard to the program and immediate fixes are always nuts especially after you graduate and you're out maybe doing graduate work you're in the field you might look back and say wow they could have done a lot better had they done this this and this we're here contact us it doesn't stop when you get your diploma because industry alone will enlighten you to do a lot of things and that feedback is always welcome and encouraged and very helpful but overall I'm at your point I think I like a trees approach the thing that I hate the most about curriculum is there's way too many requirements and it's way too much of it our computer science curriculum is a computer engineering approach engineers are the people who show up on the first day of school and they give you the list of every course they're going to take for the next four years or four and a half years and there's like one or two blanks where you can fill in a couple of electives but other than that you're done computer science burgers are not supposed to be one it's supposed to be you take a couple of courses and then the rest of the department is open in front at Harvard there were like three required courses you took as an undergraduate and that point you could take it does in 15, 20 different hundred level courses in artificial intelligence networking operating systems all sorts of things here it's this year by year march through I think there's a lot of repetition in my opinion it's just way too sequence and that's terrible you guys don't get to take really cool classes you should be able to take the course and your software here are artificial intelligence and then do cool stuff with that in the future I would say you have to be very very careful about arranging everything in the three plus years beforehand so that finally when you're a senior it takes you to be cool not to denigrate the courses upstream because they're important I just think in some cases it's too many alright so it looks like it's working now so if anyone had to go here for you to go please walk out if you're here then please join us and drink so if you want to you're welcome to come and can you please give a clap for our everyone