Good morning. Can everybody hear me? I guess I don't need to scream, sorry. Thank you all for coming. My name is Erin O'Brien. I'm on Twitter as Cool Aunt Erin. It's three separate words. It's not one like foreign word that people don't recognize. I'm actually a student at Wright State University. I have my master's degree. I'm getting my PhD in Industrial Organizational Psychology. So you're probably all wondering, what are you doing at a Ruby conference? Well, it turns out that my brother is actually a program. I don't know if you've heard of Joe O'Brien, but he is my brother. I've heard he's a big deal, but I don't see it personally. Sorry, Joe. Anyway, so I've been tagging along because apparently when you go to Ruby conferences, you get free drinks. And so I thought I'll go hang out with the conferences afterwards and get free drinks. And so every time I would sit around at these pubs with everyone, the same conversation kept happening where all the women, we'd look around and I would be one of very few. And it would be like, well, I'm not even a programmer, so I technically don't even count. So where are they? And then the conversation would just stop. No one knew what else to say after that. It's like, okay, what do we do about this? So I thought maybe I could profit from this conference thing that my brother goes to and maybe I could try to speak about the topic I do know a little bit about. I did my undergraduate honors research on sexism and stereotypes a little bit. So I have a little bit of information and I'm a psychology major, so I'm coming at you from the psych side of things, not the programming side of things. So I'm hoping you'll get something out of this. It'll be worth it, worth your while. The first thing I want to do is show you a couple graphs. I want to try to convince you that it is a problem. Maybe not a dire problem. We're not going to die if this doesn't get changed, but it's a problem. It is. I'm going to try to convince you of that. I'm going to give you some of the research that's out there. I'm going to warn you there's not much, unfortunately. I am a researcher by trade and I like it and I like to read the research and I'm very frustrated that there's not more out of it. And then I have a whole laundry list of do's and don'ts. So please forgive me for that. Or as the slides will say, don'ts and do's. So anyway, let's start off. Right now in the US, the workforce is almost 50-50. This is great news. This is exactly what we want to see. I'm not disappointed by this number at all. I'm happy with it. Most of us should be. This is what we want to see. However, what we don't want to see is these computer and math occupations. We're looking at about a 75-25 split between men and women. That's not good. And the worst part of this is that it's actually declining. These numbers are getting smaller and smaller. And there's a couple years where that number has stagnated, has been still, hasn't changed. But overall in the last about 15 to 20 years, it's been declining. And that's kind of bad news. So we need to fix that. For computer programmers specifically, it is about 22% female, which isn't horrible. We would like to see that number get bigger. And I'm glad that the previous talk mentioned open source because I'm sure you've all seen the statistic here. This is horrible. We want to avoid this at all costs, right? 2%. It's about 1.5 to 3%, depending on which statistic you look at. It doesn't matter. 1.5 to 3 is a really, really small number. We definitely want to see this increasing. So there's going to be a lot of variability in the different types of programming, et cetera. But anyway, this is a bad number. So I think that, has anybody here ever heard of Louis C.K., the comedian? Hilarious, right? I was going to show a clip, but he's completely inappropriate to show a clip at a conference, right? So I'm just going to do a little quote here. He said, and I'm a man. How many advantages can one person have? I'm a white man. You can't even hurt my feelings. And it's so true, right? I mean, this guy, he's a comedian, but he's so in tune with this. Like, he understands. He's like, I'm totally privileged here. And we can see it in the numbers in the programming community. It's not just limited to males and females in the U.S. We're seeing a division with races as well. So 75% white, the rest split between blacks, Asians, and Hispanics. So this is not just a male, female problem, okay? It's a diversity issue as a whole. Today I'm just going to focus on men and women. And I think that you could probably apply some of the things I talk about today to other groups of people. Yes. Off the top of my head, I'd have to say that it's 10% blacks, 11 to 12 Hispanic, and I don't know the Asian breakdown, to be honest. Does anybody, that's the closest I've seen 30 total. Okay, so I guess this isn't the worst case scenario. So, all right, employees are more aware of the sex of their coworkers than any other characteristic, religion, national origin, ethnic background, marital status, race, etc. The first thing you notice about your employee or co-worker is their sex, their gender. That's probably something there, right? I mean, if that's the first thing you notice, I would have guessed race personally, but I think that that's my racial bias that I have. I don't know. So anyway, this is an important topic. So I want to talk to you a little bit about stereotypes. Clear up a little bit of confusion. Stereotypes are a belief that we have. I believe this about a group of people. It's an overgeneralization. Obviously, there are always going to be differences within groups of people. It is different than like a prejudice, which is an attitude you have towards a group of people. So I can say I think that all computer programmers are geeks. They like Star Trek and Star Wars. That would be a stereotype, whereas a prejudice would be, I don't like geeks who like Star Trek because I like Star Wars. That's a prejudice, right? That's my own personal preference. I'm not giving anything away there. But those are the differences. So today, I'm just going to talk to you about stereotype, just the belief we have. Let's not get into the attitudes. That's a whole another can of worms that we don't have time for today. So just the stereotypes. And it's likely that you have stereotyped me in some way. And you don't know anything about it. Well, some of you do. Some of you know a lot more about me than others. But some of you know nothing about me. So you've probably stereotyped me in some way. I'm a female. I'm dressed moderately okay. I don't know. I'm not a fashionista. So maybe you thought I was, but I just broke that for you now. I killed that stereotype. I'm an academic. So you probably think I'm pretty nerdy, which I am. Unfortunately, I don't know what other stereotypes might have. But you've probably done it already. So here's one for the programming community, right? And it's unfortunate if you're within it, if you're in this stereotype group, you may not know that this is how people are looking at you. But when I did a Google search on stereotypical images of computer geeks, this is what I came up with. And I have to say that 10 years ago, this is exactly what I thought of people that programmed. That you were all sitting in your parents' basement. You were like coke cans and computer parts, like everything was stacked around you and you didn't like see sunshine for days on end. And you know, this is the stereotype that people have. And this is an issue because women see this as the stereotype of programmers. So how do you think they're going to enter into a field where they don't feel like they fit in? Or that this is a stereotype that nobody wants to live up to this? Now that I've worked in IT and a couple different companies and obviously my brother's a programmer and I've been around this community. So I know that this stereotype is not necessarily true. I don't know if most of you live in your parents' basement, though, to be honest. So I can't speak for all of it. But I don't think that I can speak directly to this stereotype. But I know it's out there. I Googled it. I mean, if Google tells me it's right, right? I mean, this is this is truth. So anyway, what does this what does this tell us? Well, there's actually really interesting study that they did. University of Washington, where they introduced women into a classroom for a computer science department. If that department, if that classroom had images of Star Trek posters and video games laying around, women were less likely to show an interest in the computer science field. If that same classroom still labeled as the computer science classroom had nature posters and phone books laying around, they were as likely as men to say they were interested in the computer science industry and field. Huge difference. They're stereotyping the images when you walk in the classroom. Okay, so this is a this is a problem that you guys, the technology industry has is maybe this image that people have of you. Now I don't want you guys to think that I'm here to point fingers and say all men are bad. It's all your fault. I'm not. I think it is a two-way street for everybody. People not in the field need to work hard at breaking stereotypes as much as you need to work on breaking those stereotypes. Men need to work as hard to recruit women as women need to work to get into the field. It is not a one-way street, so I'm not here to blame anybody, so please don't think that. So this is an obvious one, right? Just don't make your office space very stereotypical. You can fill it with non-stereotypical images. There's a renowned social psychologist who works with stereotypes and prejudice as a living, and she's awesome, huge in the field. She acknowledges her own stereotypes. So she says, I think I have this horrible image that black men don't raise kids. They don't raise their children. It's a very negative stereotype, unfortunately, and it's very predominant in America, unfortunately. So what does she do? She changes her screensaver to show men playing with their kids and parenting. She has images within her office that show this. It is going against the stereotype. It is helping her see images that are breaking the stereotype for her. So maybe these are some of the things you guys can implement in your offices, in your workspaces, etc. Break the stereotypes for other people and for yourself. So that's the other thing, right? Stereotypes go both ways. Not all women wear high heels walking around New York City and shop all day. I lived in New York City. I can guarantee you that's not what we do all day. Some of us barely scrape to survive, like, to eat food every day, much less go shopping for $400 pairs of shoes. So don't assume that all women like shopping or the color pink or panda bears. I picked that specifically for those of you that know me. Don't make these generalized assumptions about all women. So when you're developing sites for women, for example, maybe you want to avoid the ultra pink sites. If this is not aimed at a 10-year-old girl, then maybe we should have reconsidered some of the colors we used in this, right? This is a total turnoff for someone like me. I like the color pink. It's fine. It's as good as any other color. I have a preference for blue myself, but I'm not going to stick around a website like this for long. I'm assuming you're going to be selling me cupcakes. And if I don't want cupcakes, I'm not going to look at your website. And these, unfortunately, are both targeted to women in technology. Okay. Not all women in technology like pink. Not all women in general like pink. Some of us do. Some of us like other colors. So maybe we could try to tone it down a little bit. I'm actually, oh, and you can't see it very well at all. This is the Women's Institute website right here. These colors are actually kind of hideous to me, but I would much rather wander around this website than a pink one. Okay, because I feel very like I should be a little girl and I should be playing with princesses if I'm staring at pink. And here I feel fine. Like, okay, I can just read the text. I'm not worried about the design of it itself. Obviously there are special cases for everything and there might be an instance where you need to program to 10-year-old girls, in which case flowers, rainbows, unicorns, you know, fill it up. But in the meantime, just, you know, think about this. One other thing I want to talk about with stereotypes is that when I have talked to female programmers, one thing they have made very, very clear to me, the minute I meet them, is that they are not a stereotypical female programmer. I was like, oh, I didn't know there was a stereotype. I hadn't thought of it because honestly there's not many of you, so I hadn't really put you into a box yet, but I can gladly do that. The problem is no one can tell me what that box is. Nobody knows what a stereotypical female programmer is. So there's an identity crisis happening that I've noticed, it's anecdotal, not research based. So we need to figure out what that, what to do with that. So I don't have a do or don't here and I apologize about that. Yes? Yes. Don't ask. Do you do design? I'm actually going to get to something very similar to that. So thank you for bringing that up. Let's talk about job titles and the language we use. Sorry, keep dancing around. I should stop. I picked an organization that I'm 99.9% sure is not represented here. Just so they didn't bash me later on for doing this. So these were some of the job titles I picked off of their website. Can you all see? Yeah, you can see that. It's too bad I have a really cool little fancy design down here. Anyway, it's not pink. There are two things that should pop out at you from this right here. The first one, dispatch diva and princess of particulars.  It's true, right? Most of us are going to be that way. Yes. Rockstar. Yeah. Ninja. There are a lot of terms that you're going to stop taking people seriously. I would venture to say that it's probably worse for women.  They might think a little bit less of you, but probably not as far down as a female. My guess. Again, it's not research based. So this bothers me. I am not a princess and I'm not a diva. And if I am a hard working programmer and I contribute to the organization, my job title should reflect that, right? These two don't. The other thing that stands out to me, yeah, I hate this, this image of a woman in a dress. And I know you guys are probably like, but we need to know very distinctly in all languages which potty to use, right? So we have to have the dress. But it bothers me because I don't wear dresses. So I don't associate with this image. And yet this is an image of a woman. Does that mean I'm not a woman? I realize it's very trivial and it gets into that feminist literature that everyone's really, really scared to talk about. But it's true. These images really do affect us. Some of us don't think about it. And so we don't talk about it. But it really does. And the image of a woman in a dress really, really bothers me. I don't want people to think of me as a girl who wears a dress. I want people to take me seriously. I want them to think of me as a researcher or a mother or whatever it is that I do that I'm good at. That's what I want them to think of me as. And a woman in a dress is not me. So this bothers me. So maybe one thing we can do is allow for more gender neutral or job titles, not necessarily gender neutral, just job titles that speak to your skill, to your attributes, to whatever you do, and you do it well. Don't sell yourself short, okay? If you have something like mother or babysitter or caregiver or princess or diva in your job title, you are demeaning the work you do. So women don't allow these job titles to appear for you, represent yourself, and men don't let the women around you that you work with use these titles. Tell them people are not going to take you seriously. Please, let's think of something else because you contribute to the team. How do you contribute and let's get to that? Okay, just something to think about. Family, this is a really big issue. Women work as many hours during the week as a man on average one hour less. But we go home and do twice as much housework as men do. That's a bummer. That's a lot of work. This is, this came out of Stanford research. You don't really need to pay attention to three separate subsections. Just know that when both parties, when both the man and the woman in a heterosexual married couple, when they're both working, if the woman is a scientist, she is doing 52% of the chores. If the man is the scientist, she's doing 61% of the chores. Both people are working full time and the woman is still doing 50% of the housework. Okay, so as an organization, there's really not much I can tell you here. As a husband, as a boyfriend, as a spouse, as a significant other, split it evenly. We don't want to come home and work twice as hard as you do. Right? This is a constant battle with some people.  And I do have to say this is a little bit ironic. I did try to search for an image of that online and I kept coming up with images of women on the couch with the men vacuuming because Google thinks it's funny to be ironic apparently. So I didn't have any stereotypical images to put up here for this. But this is one thing. This surprises me. As a woman scientist, I do not want to think that I'm going to come home and do twice as much housework as the guy. It's not really appealing to me. But it's not just about housework. Women are not appealing candidates for jobs because we have to go on maternity leave. How dare we?  So we're not good candidates for stuff like sick kids. Who gets called when the kids are sick? The women always get called. We're the ones that have to leave work. When there's school vacations we're the ones that have to leave work and go spend time with the kids.  We have to go home and take care of the sick spouse. So it's a little bit uneven, a little bit uneven with this. As an organization, you need to be flexible for all of your employees. Not just the women, but with all of your employees. Make sure the men understand that if their kid is sick they should be at home taking care of their kids, that they shouldn't be on the phone to their wife saying what time are you going to pick up the kid, right? So as an organization make sure the men feel just as flexible to leave as the women do. And be flexible with women who are on maternity leave because you're lucky in that a lot of you are able to do your jobs not in a office, right? A lot of you can do work at home. So tell the women, hey, you're on maternity leave, you want to work a couple hours a week. Great. We'll allow it. Okay, so just be very flexible for everybody. I'm not saying that women need concessions here. I'm saying that the men need to understand that they should also be taking a part in this as well. Okay, it's a two way street. And I don't think the men are getting encouraged to leave. Men don't get maternity leave, right? We get in the States, we get like three days or a week or something.  Who says the man doesn't have to be at home with the kid? I don't understand this. It doesn't make sense to me. And the women get six weeks, which in America is just a, it's an atrocious concept anyway, but the point is be supportive, be flexible for everybody, networking. So how did all of you get into your job that you're in now? You at some point had to speak with another human being in the same job, right? I'm assuming you did. You had to get the job somehow. So one of the ways you do that is you go to conferences. Conferences are awesome. You get to meet new people, you get to socialize, you go out to the pubs at night from what I've heard. Rumor has it some people occasionally will go out and drink afterwards and socialize and you keep talking about this stuff. So think about this as a woman coming to a conference like this. And I have to say that I actually was physically overwhelmed this morning with the number of men and not just the number of men, but the number of men I don't know. And so I'm not a very outgoing person for people I don't know. And I just can't go up and talk to somebody I don't know. Well, as a woman, it's not just because me personally, Erin O'Brien is shy and introverted to an extent. It's also because men are scary, right? Men are scary.  When I walk home, I like to say that I've been staying here for three weeks now. So it's technically home to me. When I'm walking home at night and I see a guy walking down the sidewalk, I instantly grab my purse just a little bit tighter, put my head down a little bit further and I walk just a little bit faster. And then I start calculating, where's my phone if I need it? You know, who am I going to scream to if somebody, something happens to me? These are all processes that I have to go through walking home. So when I'm at a conference and I'm surrounded by big, scary men, I'm not necessarily going to go talk to you guys really aren't big, scary men, I promise. I'm trying to make a very big broad point here, that it's hard for us to go out to a bar, very bad situation for women, right? We don't want to put ourselves in this situation. There's alcohol involved, bad things happen when alcohol is involved with men and women. It's unfortunate that it happens. So I don't want to do these things necessarily, but to further my career, I have to. I just went on a job interview right before I came here and I had to go to dinner with, like, the department and it was all a male-dominated department and I just felt really uncomfortable. It was just not a good situation and one of the guys orders wine and I instantly start thinking, oh, there's alcohol and this is terrible, you know? So just be mindful that it's not always easy for women to break into networking through the social aspect. I do have to say, and I'm going to pat you all on the back for this, is that honest to God, I have never, ever, ever felt unsafe, ever hanging around this particular group, okay? Meaning the programming community from what I have spent time with. I have never felt uncomfortable, unsafe. In fact, quite the opposite. I've always felt quite safe. And doing a quick search, I know that there have been incidences and I don't want to get too far into them. They have been very few and very far between. In other male-dominated organizations or groups, whatever you want to call it, that is not the case. So thank you all for being the safest of the male-dominated groups that are out there. I appreciate it. But seriously, I mean, you guys just understand that this is how you network. This is how you move forward in your career. And it's a little bit harder for women. It is also harder for women to travel. So how many of you here have a spouse or significant other that you left to come here? Yes? Keep your hands up. How many of those of you left kids to be here? Yeah. It is very hard for women because most of the people that had their hands raised were the men, right? It's not just that you say to your wife, I'd really like to go to this conference. And she says, great, go. You know, she has to let go at some point and say, I want to go to a conference. And if she says that to you, you should say, hmm, I've gone to quite a few this year. Maybe I should let her go as well. And I will stay home and take care of the kids. So it's not just a matter of networking and socializing. It's also just trying to leave the house. They want to go to conferences too. So as an organization, encourage your women to go, encourage them to use a buddy system, take somebody to a conference that you do know, it's much easier to meet people when you're a team. Okay. So we'll move on. Now, this is my specialty. I do IO psychology. One of my specialties is selection. Let's say we have a job advertisement, and it says requirements of college degree, two years of experience. And this is my bias here. I'm a statistician. So we need you to know Excel, SPSS SAS are, when I put by log and HL on, these are just statistical tools that we use. A man is going to say, I've definitely got Excel. Who doesn't? I've definitely had SPSS. I've worked with it. I kind of remember doing R in a class one day. We think we did a school project on it. And my two friends do all this other HLM by log stuff. Right. So totally qualified for this job. Totally got this. I'm going to apply. What a woman is doing is she's saying, okay, I've done projects where I've used Excel and SAS and R. I did a school project where I use by log, but I didn't really quite get it. And I've never seen HLM, but I've heard of it. Totally not qualified for this job. I'm not going to apply. These are the thought processes that women are going through were self selecting ourselves out very early on. So as an organization, one of the things you should do is be a little bit more flexible. Don't be so stringent because you might be losing out on somebody who has four out of five or three out of five skills, which would be enough for you. Okay, so be realistic in your job advertisements. You are not being sexist in your job advertisements to post these things. But what I'm telling you today is that women are self selecting out. So try to be a little bit more flexible as an organization with these. Another thing that we do as women is we sell ourselves short. On a resume, you will see I completed this project on time under budget and beyond the customer's wildest expectations. I'm awesome. I'm a rock star. Right? That is what a man is going to put on his resume. A woman is going to say, oh, I was so fortunate. I got to work with a team of people and we completed this really cool project. Okay, I'm not taking ownership of it right away.  Okay, these are all things that we do to sell ourselves short. Women stop doing it.  You know what their skillset is, right? You work with them. You should know their skillset. Write their resume. I dare all of you to do it and then compare it to the resume they have. It's going to look differently between the men and the women. I guarantee it works every time. Okay, so that's one way to think about it. So women step up, take claim, take ownership of what you've done and men understand that when a woman says that I was so lucky that they let me work on this project with this great group of people that what she's saying is I went in there, I took charge and I got it done. That's what she's saying. Okay, unfortunately, when we attribute success and failure, it's different from men and women. When men succeed, obviously it's because he's good at what he does. Obviously, he's got the skill to do it. When a woman succeeds, wow, she got so lucky. I wonder where this attribution is coming from on her resumes, right? When a man fails, it's because of bad luck. When a woman fails, she wasn't good enough. She just didn't succeed. Yes. Perceptions. This is everybody. This is a research done for perceptions of people's successes and failures and the way we attribute it. And so as a society, women do it to women. So we're just as guilty as anybody else for doing this. Okay, we can sit like, whoa, I got on this project. I got this job. I was so lucky.  Right? That's what we tell ourselves. Whereas a guy is like, obviously, that's the greatest thing they've ever seen when I walked in there. Okay? So unfortunately, we have these societal beliefs. I'm going to challenge you to not reject a woman at a resume level. If you, she sends you her resume. She finally thinks she's good enough for this job. And you compare it to a man's resume. And it's a little bit different, a little bit less. I'm going to challenge you as an organization. I know this is tough to go ahead and interview her anyway. Because she is likely selling herself short. And both of you are going to be missing out. I know that's really difficult to ask. Organizations are like, no way. The selection process is hard enough as it is. And I get that. But I'm challenging you today to interview her anyway. Give her the benefit of the doubt. If you want to see more women in this organization and this group, then please do this for us, for them, for you. We also, as women, we get shorter letters of recommendation. Bummer.  They tend to group all of the adjectives together in one sentence instead of explaining each adjective in a separate sentence, which they do for men. So if you're writing a letter of recommendation, please be conscious of this. Think of it as, I'm writing a letter for Mr. So-and-so, write it out and see if it's different than writing it for Ms. or Mrs. So-and- So. See if there's a difference. We also get lower job performance ratings overall. Female and male managers rate females lower. It's a bummer. Blacks and whites do it as well. Blacks and whites will actually give lower job performance ratings to blacks. It's a bummer. It happens. So think about this when you're doing job performance. One thing you can do if you're doing job performance ratings is make them objective. I know that you guys don't necessarily count widgets. I get that. And it might be a little harder and I can't give you a specific example of how you might make a job performance rating objective. But when you are doing these, think of the most objective things you can that you can check off for these people. That is one way of reducing this variability. The other thing you can do is don't use these job performance ratings to determine pay increases. Because when we use these reviews that now we know that women are already a little bit behind in the review, now they're going to get paid a little bit less as well. Which brings me to my next point. That 82 cents does not equal a dollar. Does anybody know what that means? Women are getting paid 82 cents for every dollar a man is making for the exact same job. Don't be that person in the organization who is paying a woman 82 cents for every dollar they're paying a man. This is criminal. This makes me so crazy. On average at 75 cents in the computer science field it's 82 cents. Yay, you guys are so much better. I would pat you on the back but I'm morally obligated not to. One way we get around this is job titles. If you have a job title like princess or diva and somebody else has a technical maven or whatever it is they're calling themselves. You can easily say they're not technically the same job. You know what you're doing and don't do it. Go through and make sure you're paying everybody the same. Okay. Now I'm going to get into my whole big long spiel of do's and don'ts. I'll try to go through them quickly. Don't ask women why there aren't more women programmers. They don't know they are one. They did it. They don't know why their peers aren't doing it. Right. They don't know. They are loving life and they don't know why everyone hasn't come to the light side, dark side, whichever one you prefer. Instead how about you read the blogs that they're writing, the interviews that they're doing, the articles they're writing, et cetera, and find out. That's what I did to get this stuff. Don't ask a woman in the field to speak for all women in the field. One of the reasons why I thought that it would be better if I came up and did this than asking somebody else to do it was because I'm not technically in the field and it's very hard for a woman, some women, to come and speak for all women in the field. They don't know. There's individual differences. They've all got a different opinion.  You guys get really aggravated from what I see of little things.  So a woman does not want to come up here and be like, you guys remain and you stop, right? Don't ask a woman to do that. Don't do that. You should be asking men to speak to other men about this problem, preferably men that understand the problem, except the fact that they have privileges that women don't, etc. Don't assume a woman works in HR. That's one I got. What did she say? Don't assume she's a designer. Don't assume these things. Assume she's a programmer. She's at a programming conference. She works in a programming industry. Assume she's a programmer. If she's not, she'll tell you. Trust me, I tell everyone I'm not a programmer here. Okay? I don't want you guys to start talking to me in a language I don't speak. So assume that she's a programmer. If you're going to make an assumption, let it be that one. Yes. Yeah. Oh, okay. I see. Okay. But you all understood what he was saying. Okay. Right. The whole point is that you're not, you're not a real programmer from what I've seen. That's the problem, right?  And then I was going to tell you, don't ever do that. But I just got ahead of myself.  Don't do that. She is going to want to turn around and run as fast as she can, right? Nobody likes to be put on the spot in that kind of way. It's kind of a negative thing. So don't do that. Try not to point out, try not to do it. It happens. Instead, ask her how she got started. Start a conversation with her. I mean, she's here for a reason. Find out why. You've got some common link. Try that approach instead of, you know, cheering for her as she walks by. Don't assume a woman isn't a real programmer. I've seen that on several blogs, several, more than three, I believe. I've seen people say I'm so tired of people assuming I'm not a real programmer. I would love to give you details about what that means. Unfortunately, I'm just not quite qualified. Instead, ask her what her favorite project was to work on. I've actually heard conversation talk of guys doing that with other guys. Like, so what are you working on? And oh my God, I got this great project. Do that with a woman. She likes her work. That's why she's here. Ask her what she's doing. She loves so much. I love this. There were so many cute pictures of babies on computers. It's adorable. Way too many pictures of babies on computers. Start them early. How many of you here have kids? Raise your hand. Very high. How many of you have girls? Almost everybody. Start them early. Your kids as babies should be comfortable with computers. We didn't have that luxury. We were told if we touched a computer it was going to break. And that thousand dollars your parents were just going to take out of your hide, right? Computers don't do that as they used to do. Get them on there quickly. Get them comfortable with the computer. Get them programming as early as you can. One thing I do want to quickly mention is there's this thing called a hacker culture. You guys talk about hacking. As an outsider when I hear hacking, I don't always just think of the movie. I think of illegal things that you're doing. You're hacking government computer websites. You're getting all this information, right? That to an outsider is what we're talking about. It's illegal. Women are risk averse. We try to avoid risk at all possible. So when you start talking about hacking, we think, oh, it's illegal. I might not want to do that. Whereas a man's hacking awesome. Where can I get into? What databases can I break into? So some of the terminology is a little bit turning off women. So we want to think about that. Do get involved with organizations helping women. There's something in the US and I'm not sure if it's here yet. It's called STEM, science, technology, engineering, and math. And it is trying to recruit women and minorities into science, technology, engineering, and math. There are awesome, awesome programs. There are scholarships out there. There's all kinds of things going on. Find it. Find it near you. If it's not near you, start it. Figure out a way to start encouraging women and minorities to get into this field. You love it. You are here because you love it. Spread that love to people who don't know that it's out there. Okay, and this is one way to do it. As an individual, you should be doing it. Find people to mentor high school kids, et cetera. Don't go and hang around high schools. That's creepy. Find out legitimately how you can get involved. Yes, there are plenty of organizations out there. You can look them up. There's girl IT in Columbus, I think, girl develop IT with a pink website. You can do it as an organization. You can support them. Do it individually if your organization isn't doing it. Okay, this is my last don't. Don't ask out a woman that you work with. Oh, that is a big negative. It makes a very hostile workplace. If I think that I'm going to a place where they're just going to keep hitting on me, I'm going to be very uncomfortable and I'm going to leave. Don't do it. Yes, there are workplace romances that work, but the majority of them don't. They cause uncomfortable situations and just don't do it. If it's worth it, one of you will leave. Okay, don't do it. Do. I'm stealing from Dave Thomas because I love, love, love his talk that he did. And thankfully it was online. Inspire someone. Mentor someone. Be that somebody that guides you in guides them into this path that you chose. Somebody did it for you. Do that for somebody else. Okay, very quickly. I told you guys I'm a researcher and so hopefully I'm going to get started on this stream of research actually legitimately studying some of these questions that are out there. There's a ton of questions. And so you may be seeing solicitations from me in the next year or two asking if I can please send out a survey to your organization. And I would appreciate any help that you can give. And I'll be looking at specifically I'm an IOS psychologist. I want to know about selection procedures, job performance, et cetera to see what these differences are. So anyway, that's all I have to say. So thank you. Question. Do you have a question? You showed the balance of so you said I want to I want to demonstrate to you that there's a problem. Right. What I would really like to see there is not just that there isn't an even number, but that we're missing out on something by not having women in teams. Okay, so if you can do research about performance of teams and teams that have got a better gender balance to demonstrate that those teams are actually more effective because that's my you call it empirical experience. I actually like I'd like to see that proven so that people can see that it's it's worth it. I've actually taken a class on teams. And one of the things we do know is that smaller multi or smaller, more diverse groups for shorter periods of time are the perfect teams and diversity, including gender, race, ethnicity, national origin, et cetera. So we do know that those are more effective teams specifically. But yeah, I see what you're saying. So I will definitely look into that. Less than 18 months, any team that was around for more than 18 months became less effective. That was the research. Just in general. That's obviously there's always going to be differences. Yes. You said you said I am a something psychologist a couple of times. Sorry, you didn't get that industrial organizational. Oh, obviously. It's it's IO. We call it IO in the States. Here it's called work psychology. There's not many programs here, unfortunately. Work psychology. It's just about selecting great individuals, good performing individuals, making them better performers. How do we keep them happy? Do we pay them more? It's not how we keep people happy. How do we select people? How do we keep them, et cetera? That's what IO psychology is in a nutshell. Yes. So someone of the vocabulary, one of the things we have a problem with is around vocabulary, right? And I understand that a lot of things shouldn't be excused off because, Hey, this is part of our culture. But I actually would would I think there's an interesting discussion to be had about the hacker word, because we've had a problem in our industry of taking back that term. It was taken and used modern media, that kind of thing for what it is. But there's actually a true set of pride, which comes with finding things that you want to know how much it gets done, finding things that need to be fixed and going deep. Where is the balance? Using that as an example, how do we strike a balance of going, Yes, this is something that's putting people off versus this is part of the culture. Yeah. And no, I mean, every every organization, every group has that problem. Psychology has that problem with things like you Myers Briggs. We speak a different language than you people, you non psychologists speak. And I'm obviously grouping and over generalizing again, but we have a different way of speaking. And so we run into the exact same problem. And so go to Hollywood and have them make a new hackers movie and see how that turns out. I don't know. Yeah. Yes. Hacker culture and get them started earlier on the same slide. Were you saying expose them to that concept early? Or were they just kind of on the same slide by chance? I think that I tagged them on the same slide as two very separate things. And I just didn't want to leave the baby picture too early. It was too cute. I'm sorry. You could make that argument too. If you expose kids to the hackers, not a bad thing. That's actually a really good point. Yeah. So like societal problems, this is one of the less actionable ones. And I want to encourage people to take action on the more actionable points that you raised primarily. But I mentioned it anyway. You didn't mention education system at all. Are there any particular things that you'd like to see that you think we could benefit from doing different as people move through schools and colleges? Yeah, I actually read somebody out there was taking programming into high schools and getting girls interested in it. And one of the things he did was he would give them a tat like a homework assignment like, you know what girls, I need to figure out how to balance my checkbook or I need to figure out how to do this or whatever. And every day they would get a new assignment and they would be really charged to do it. And so I would encourage that if you have the time then to go out to these schools and give your time freely, hopefully if you're willing, nobody's going to make you do it really. But yeah, that's the education system totally sucks in general, even with the universities in the U.S. for computer science in general. So I think I'm done. I just got the big, sorry.


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I'm not sure how many of you remember the interview that Jank Euger had with Ro Khanna prior to the House voting on bipartisan infrastructure because this was when all of us were screaming at the top of our lungs Please do not vote on bipartisan infrastructure if you remember of the House before the Senate votes on build back better Because if you do that you're gonna give away your leverage and they're gonna have no reason to support build back better well Turns out we were right there were only six progressives members of the squad who voted against a bipartisan infrastructure everyone else went along with it and What happened fast forward today build back better is dead so Before this happened Jank Euger asked Ro Khanna. Why would you vote for this? What's what's the point? You know, what assurances do you have that mansion isn't going to change his mind after you give him what he wants And that is this corporate giveaway in the bipartisan infrastructure bill and Ro Khanna Said that he believed that the president had some sort of a deal with Joe Manchin and that he believed that even if You know, they give him this corporate giveaway. They're going to Still vote for a build back better. Well, that was completely Disproven and so Jank Euger is going to ask him about this and this was a really interesting interview here Credit to Jank Euger for holding him accountable and also even though I disagree with Ro here And I'm very disappointed in him. I give him credit for still engaging with people who are critical of him I mean both times that I brought Ro Khan on my program It was after I was talking shit like he reached out So this is someone who is not afraid to engage so even if we do disagree with him And it hurts my brain to think of the strategic miscalculations that he makes time and again He still is a good actor. He's a good guy. I just wish that He would maybe take advice from some people on the left. I don't know. I don't know So let's go ahead and watch this For all of us. That's interesting idea of sorry, let me go back I'm in the conversation. This one's gonna be very interesting congressman Ro Khanna's back He's also got a book out. It's called dignity in a digital age making the tech work for all of us That's interesting idea of that a progressive legislator has to bring in the rest of the country Even though he represents telecom Valley, obviously, there's some interesting votes in Congress a lot to talk about Congressman Khanna, welcome back to TYT. Thanks for having me No problem. So Ro before we get to the book a lot to talk about since we last talked So I agree with that emo dragon sure that was the day of the vote on decoupling infrastructure and build back better and We thought it was a bad idea we as in here at TOTI did and And that if we decoupled it, we would not get build back better at all And there was the philosophy of trust Biden and so that obviously didn't work Now Joe Manchin has killed it entirely So was it a mistake to go with the trust Biden strategy? Yes No, because I don't think we would have had any other option The reality is even if you had not passed infrastructure, you still wouldn't have had Build back better in its form. So the question is do you think infrastructure did marginally more good than a Harm for society. I think it did a significant amount of good. It took out lead pipes and Expanded rural broadband Construction jobs now I still think we need The climate provisions and a lot of what was in build back better and we're working to get it getting it But candidly it's not going to be what it was that the house passed so Well did the fact is that that was not the argument at the time Let's be honest right the argument at the time was we should trust Biden and that he had a secret plan and That he had an agreement with Manchin and they were going to pass build back better Are you saying now that no that was never the deal and you guys knew build back better was going to be killed by Manchin or Did Biden have no plan at all because it's one of the other It's fair question. I always thought there was a risk. I didn't think it was a short. I just want to pause because There's a flaw with Ro Khanna's analysis It is true that there are some good things in the bipartisan infrastructure proposal, right replacing a lot of lead pipes Not all but a lot on top of that. There's the investments in broadband and that is important But overall it is in that negative and I want to remind you all of this really insightful thread from AOC So she talked about why if you just passed bipartisan infrastructure, but not build back better We are net doing more harm overall to the planet. So This was from November 7th So on the issue of climate think of bipartisan infrastructure as a lock and build back better as the key Locks only open with keys bipartisan infrastructure climate benefits only unlock with build back better provisions if we message bipartisan infrastructure as good on climate alone when it's not we stop the pressure for build back better's passage Do not let this happen the desire to pass both together Isn't the unnuanced stance some pundits think it is bipartisan infrastructure has a lot of bad stuff in it That's how they got GOP votes It's also has a lot of good stuff in it what you're hearing on TV Passing and build back better unlocks bipartisan infrastructure's climate goods So the good prevails if build back better isn't delivered with bipartisan infrastructure's oil and gas locked in we're in trouble We're in trouble That is what makes it a huge gamble. So again, we need to pressure to deliver the promise on build back better for anyone Middle-aged and younger. Let's hope the same Kyoto all over again because we're going to live with the outcome Spoiler alert. It is Kyoto all over again, and we will indeed live with the outcome So with the way that all of infrastructure was split, right? We have the Roads and bridges and then the human infrastructure build back better Overall, we are net doing more harm by just passing that portion overall to the planet So I don't agree overall with Ro Khanna. I sympathize with the fact that there are some good things but the whole point of splitting it in two was to fuck over progressives So that's why you had to hold strong and vote against it, but let's go ahead and let them finish here But we thought that the best chance of passing build back better was to get the president to put out a framework and get the president's Commitment around it. We felt pretty confident that that framework Would allow the the passage obviously that didn't work But had we not voted for infrastructure, I don't think we would have had build back better We this was our highest probability play of getting build back better. It didn't work Yeah, the reason is because I don't think I don't think Senator Manchin cared enough about infrastructure to Say, okay, if I vote for I need infrastructures, but cinema did so I just don't think Having been part of the conversation is that you know, his concern is the spending and he's fine But there'd be nothing and so the question is how do you get? I think that's true in a lot of instances, but in the bipartisan infrastructure proposal as AOC pointed out. I Mean there are a lot of things that corporate America wants hence why you got so many Republicans to go along with it So I just don't agree with here I think that he's misreading the situation and he's putting way too much faith into Joe Manchin But thankfully Zheng actually addresses this and he addresses comments that Ro Khanna made which we talked about on my program a Couple of days ago, or maybe it was last week either way basically Ro Khanna said we really have to Give respect to Manchin and pay deference to Manchin and let him come up with something essentially His answer to that is not very persuasive, but I am glad that Jeng asked the question for something we thought this was not the highest probability play obviously turned out Not to work in the case of Bill Beck better. Yeah, I don't agree I think he really wanted infrastructure bill because it was filled with corporate pork And so that's what yeah great point Gamer G. Don't forget Manchin said he was okay with four trillion around Biden's inauguration That's exactly it. That's exactly it So to believe that he is sincere when he says I'm worried about the debt and the deficit.  Otherwise, you wouldn't have been upset at all So but now okay water on the bridge, although it isn't it was a total debacle and an obvious mistake, but now Now You said last week, I believe we should give Manchin the deference and respect not to put something together That could be a consensus meaning let him write the bill in fact You said give him the pen and let him write the bill and then after you said that Manchin came out and said yeah, here's my version of the bill nothing. It's dead Yeah, and that's why what he said was such a bad look because he said this on morning Joe and then like an hour or so after that Manchin said this build back better. He's asked about the build back better and he says what's build back better? What's that? It's dead That's what he said. So I feel like Jank is trying so hard to get him to understand that they are plaguing you they don't respect you in the way that you respect them play a hard ball and It's it's so hard to watch because you're all kind of just doesn't get it.  I just it's it's Maddening to listen to well does not prove that Manchin is a bad faith actor only works for his donors And never had any intention of passing any of Build Back Better. Yes No, because that In the media but he said he's not for the house version of Build Back Better than that as he put it his dad He is for a new bill now What I have said is that if you want to pass climate and let's just be realistic It's gonna be a uphill midterm. It always is with the president's party We have a narrow majority obviously we're gonna fight but if we don't get climate in 2022 who knows when we get climate so we have to mind you get climate and to do that You need Manchin's vote and you need he's okay with 400 and 500 billion of climate spending in a new bill What I said is give him the pen as you pointed out let him come up with a graph Obviously if there's some poison pill in there, we wouldn't support it But I think we can come to a consensus and get climate and and what are the alternatives? No climate for who knows how many years so I'll get to the alternatives in a second, but I just Imagine thinking that Joe Manchin is going to write a sufficient climate bill. I Just it's so frustrating Manchin as governor and also as a US senator He has done specific things to help protect his family's coal company any Climate legislation that he passed as a governor. He had carve-outs for his coal company. So that way the waste from his coal company was characterized legally as An alternative energy source in the same way that we characterize Wind solar and hydro as an alternative energy energy source.  So I mean if he just gives people a blank check if he says, okay Here's 400,000 progressives go ahead and write what you want create a civilian climate core That's one thing. But do you honestly trust Joe Manchin to in good faith come to you with actually meaningful Climate change legislation, of course not if you do row. I've got an NFT to sell you. It's not gonna happen.  It's not working question on on the current strategy, so Are you saying that you think Joe Manchin is gonna write a build-back better bill first of all? Let's say that he's now president Biden's agenda is totally irrelevant. We're literally saying I mean, I'm not saying you're saying it and it appears Biden and Pelosi is Schumer saying it let Manchin write whatever you want So, okay, that's we don't even have to ask that question apparently he's president Or even though nobody in the country voted for him outside of West Virginia, but okay even accepting that Do you really think he's gonna write a bill That is gonna have meaningful climate legislation. He owns a coal company his top-downs are fossil fuel Companies I have that at approximately 0% chance of happening So let me ask you both in that way is it it's binary is it even gonna happen and then second of all if you think it is gonna happen What on God's green earth would Manchin's donors find acceptable that they would put in the bill Well, first of all, you know the clean electricity program is already out of the bill back better And that there are provisions that I would want in That including a methane fee and the fossil fuel subsidies that aren't gonna pass a Senate So obviously he's not gonna write the bill that I would write or that progressives would write I mean try to use that against him, you know, just a few minutes ago. Rocchano said that Joe Manchin is a deficit hawk So, okay, aren't fossil fuel subsidies spendy Can't you try to use that against them because in theory if you are a deficit hawk You would be opposed to this unnecessary spending, but of course not You know Joe Manchin he wants these subsidies. He's a coal baron. So use this against them I mean you have so much ammunition But rose just too nice of a person. Maybe he's conflict diverse. I sympathize with that. I am too to an extent, but I Just really frustrating Or is that even president Biden would write but where he will be fine in my opinion Is four to five hundred billion dollars of investment and renewable energy electric vehicles In solar a John welcome building up batteries and building up the infrastructure of the smart grid and that's it's significant That's the biggest investment in climate. We've ever made. So is it perfect? No But is it much better than not having those investments? Absolutely And he's always said he's for the innovation investments where he gets a concern is where there's gonna be a price of fossil fuel and carbon Some of us would want and the fossil fuel subsidies price on methane and I'm acknowledging that may not Make it in but I still rather have 500 billion of climate investment than nothing. Okay, I you know I get it you've at least convinced me that there is a tiny percentage chance that something exists and imagine us to hurry up and get solar donors and Electric car donors and once he gets checks from them, maybe there's a prayer that some version of that Could pass what else would be in the bill?   It has to be abolish the Senate Okay, you should not have two senators if your state has three people living there. I'm sorry.  It's just Unfucking real. What's the population of West Virginia? By the way, let me look this up Like how many people actually live in this state? So 1.79 million people live in West Virginia Now how many people voted for Joe Manchin? He got 290,000 votes 290,000 votes so these people Get to basically They elected someone who controls our entire political system. What is that?   This isn't representation this is insane insane and the binary choice between Republican light or Extreme Republican is like what is this?  Sorry folks the senator from this state who got 300,000 votes who's representing I use the word representation, you know very charitably here has just like under 2 million They get to control the course of humanity the future of humanity. How insane is that? Jesus Christ That's a great point emo dragon of the 290,000 Democrats that voted for Joe Manchin How many of them voted for Paul and Jean's origin at first how many of them were voting strategically because they felt like Patrick Morsi or Morrison was worse So you have at least a third of those people Unenthusiastically voting for Joe Manchin and this one fuckface gets to control climate policy for what the next ten years At this pivotal moment It's just this is not What democracy is supposed to be I mean to the extent that we have a democracy in the US It's fatally flawed. It's hanging on by a thread what we've got. It's just it's so frustrating It is so frustrating and you know in the event we ever were to have some sort of reform We get rid of the electoral college. We do Electoral reform so we have multiple parties. Well, the problem is that we live in a capitalist system So if we get like a multi-party system someday, which will never happen because nobody's fighting for it Or even knows how to do that But if we get a multi-party system then how long before capitalism corrupts those parties It's just our whole system is fundamentally flawed and people need to think deeper It's not just about oh the politicians the makeup of Congress currently is bad And when we replace these politicians when we have a better lineup of people in Congress than things will change when we get Millennials and Gen Zers in Congress things will change. No, the whole system is flawed. It is built this way It is fundamentally fucked So until people start really zeroing in on these systemic issues with our country nothing is going to change nothing


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Mr. Spade. Still here? There. I live at 8516 Claremont in Berkeley. I'll be there tonight. Oh, dear. This time, as he made his exit, he left $50 on the edge of my desk.  It was a small white cottage with green shutters and a white picket fence. There was a hill in back and a brook in front. The sun was beginning to set on it, and it was all very picturesque. In fact, so much so that a girl with red hair, blue jeans, purple smart, oils, and canvas was making it immortal. She liked me immediately. Here, hold this. Certainly. Like it? Oh, yeah. This is my first landscape. I'm a sprouting artist. Obvious. Make sure all... Not when I can get somebody to do it for me. Who are you? Oh, I might be a fellow artist. Don't do that.  You're Sam Spade. I saw your picture in a newspaper clipping when I was helping Chester clean out his desk before he moved it. But I... You don't know an easel from a pallet? Oh, but I could learn. I take it seriously. Well, then so do I. I doubt it. You've never tried to get away to stand off, to throw off the shackles, have you? No, no. I'll have to admit that the urgency of living, the pressure of merely existing, is had to... Catfish, Sam. By the way, I'm Amy Goodrich. Catfish? The world is full of unhappy people who never try to get away from it all. Well, honest. Stop it. I don't want it to, really. Honestly, Sam, get away from everything. Leave, dissolve. I've dreamed of it. Never return. Cross my heart. What are you doing here? To see Mr. Swan. He isn't home yet. His house is a wonderful subject. Look, Sam, colorful, moderate, pleasant. That is until the sun stops shining. But picture it at night in the fog. Crushed with barrenness, full of death, brooding, ominous. I'm trying to capture that, too. It's what we've got to get away from, isn't it? Absolutely. You and I... As you start up the hill on Claremont, there's a green apartment house on the right. I'm in 420. Well, maybe we'll find a way out together. Maybe. I waved to Rafaun farewell and sat on the steps of my client's house until he showed up at 6.15. He took me inside where the only furniture was an army cot and a portable barbecue.  I'm so frightened. I've been upset all week long. I didn't know what to do. I just didn't.  Well, lately, Mr. Fade. Infrequently, for the last week I've noticed a man. I think he's following me. At first I'd see him in a car following my bus when I went downtown. Then he'd be waiting around at the bus stop in the evening when I came back. I've sold my house and I'm ready to move. It's unnerved me so much, but... Did he follow you home tonight? No, no, but I... Well, would anyone be following you, Mr. Swann? Well, hi, hi. I don't know, Mr. Fade. I don't know. I really don't. All right, I'll try another tack. What does this man look like? He always wears dark clothes and a hat. I'd say it was about your height. Six feet. I remember. Maybe heavier. Same bone structure, though. Yeah, you haven't been to the police. Oh, yeah, no. A man in my business can't afford off-color publicity. No? What kind of business is that? The Bantan Mortuary. Oh. 25 years. Same location. Oh, and I've worked hard, so very hard. And if there's something behind all this, something that has stopped me from being made the executive secretary of the Undertaker's Breakfast Club when they hold their annual election next month, I don't know what I'll do, Mr. Fade. I just don't really know what I'll do. I just don't. Don't go ahead, Mr. Swann. You'll feel better. Just let it all out. Just really do. And he did. When he stopped crying, I instructed him to go about his daily habits as always and left, assuring him I'd get to the bottom of it all. I walked down to the corner ostentatiously, which is a neat trick, well, calculated to throw nefarious observers off the track and lull them into false security. And when the bus showed up 10 minutes later, I got on it, rode three blocks, walked back, and took a plant across the street. A clever roost, as you see, to invite a showdown. Two hours later, a man about my size and dark clothes appeared over the hill and crept stealthily to the front of my client's cottage. He had his eyes glued to the window when I walked up behind him. Hey, let go, let go of me. Come on, you're going inside. Listen, I'm no peeping Tom. No, no, you're the bloodhound type. I'm inviting you in for a real sniff at your point. Oh, no, you don't. Well, all right, then I'll go quietly. Okay, that's better now, just walk on. The kick he landed on me wasn't according to Queensbury. I couldn't move for three or four minutes and by that time, he disappeared. When I recovered my faculty, as I reported the incident to my client, who cried himself to sleep. After I bolded him in for the night, I stopped on my way down the hill at apartment 420 in the little green apartment house. She was still wearing the blue jeans and the purple smock, and she still had the same ideas. Come in, Sam. You said you were serious about getting away from it all, and a whole day has passed. It was that pressure of living. I'm here to apologize. You are not, but go ahead. I'm sorry, Angel. I love to be fooled, Sam. You're forgiven. Now, how's the painting coming? They're the one of Swan's cots. Slow. Fog is always tough. Looks nice, though. How long you been on it? Three weeks, all told. Well, then you've had a pretty good plan on the house, haven't you? Ever notice a tall, broad-shouldered guy in a dark suit casing the place? Tall, broad-shouldered? Pretty much like me. Could anybody be pretty much like you, Sam? No, you're right. Sam, is there something wrong? No, no. Well, then don't stand there doing nothing. Do something. Oh, me? Amy fixed me a small dinner which had a strong turpentine taste to it. Then we mixed oils and painted and made fudge. Next afternoon, at the Hall of Records, I did a little spade work on Chester Swan. His application and permit to practice undertaking in the city of San Francisco were dated 1938. Details? Unmarried, 52 years of age. Graduated from mortician school in Ohio. Listed one living relative, Nephew. Theodore J. Swan, Toledo, Ohio. I was gathering the above information when I smelled whiskey over my shoulder, which is always good luck. It was Al Torrington who was also in the private investigation racket in this city. And he was leaning, peering from my face to the car that I held in my hand. He got over to you too, Sam? Who got over to me, Al? Him, that thinny with the tears. What's his name?  Swan, Al. Chester Swan. Mortician. Yeah, yeah, that's him, Sam. The same one exactly. Came to my office two weeks complaining about somebody following him. And he did nothing about it. Said I was too fat. Oh, well, you are, Al. Are you sure? Sure, I'm sure. And some other, the boy said he was around there too. Wanted a private eye, but he wanted a man who looked just right. All right.  Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yes, F, it did look like he picked me. And I thought that over and I didn't like it. And I called my client of home to tell him he was fired, but he didn't give me a chance.  I really am. I called for a reason, Mr. Swan. I'm resigning this case. Oh, dear, Mr. Spade, you can do that. You really can. I don't think you've been quite honest with me, Mr. Spade. Oh, dear. Tears will get you nowhere. I made a routine check on your reasons for hiring me, and they don't quite fit with the reasons you gave. They really just don't quite, Mr. Swan. It's no game, Mr. Spade, believe me. He's back tonight. Right now he's standing beneath the lamppost outside my window, and I'm frightened to death. Please hurry over, Mr. Spade, and let's get this business straight now. Please, please.  Amy's words about it being crushed with barrenness, full of brooding and death came back to me. And Mr. Swan's frightened words about a mysterious man in dark clothes waiting beneath the streetlight also came back to me, particularly when I noted there was no streetlight near the house. However, there was a light somewhere in the rear of the house, and the front door was ajar. Oh, Mr. Swan, Mr. Swan, are you here? Oh, Mr. Swan, it's me, Sam Spade. Are you here? Mr. Spade? Is that you?  Where are you? Ah! Things happened fast. I turned around to find the front door filled with a man in a dark suit. He had something in his hand. It looked like a roll of cotton candy, but it felt different. It only staggered me against the wall, but it made me forget where my arms were. Easy, Spade, easy does it, boy. Easy. He let me down to the floor gently. I could still see the lights somewhere in the back of the house, and I could hear him talking way off. Take off his coat. Give me the needle. I can't watch. I'm going upstairs. The needle went somewhere in my left arm, but not before somebody pulled my coat off, and for no reason I could think of it at the moment, also tried to pull my finger off, and I couldn't dwell on it. By that time, the stuff in my arm was going other places, and I was going with it, even though there was action all around me. Vaguely somewhere, somebody was shooting Roman candles or having blowouts or playing bebop. I just didn't care at all. I just didn't. The first thing I saw was sunlight. It was the kind you see in a picture. It was a picture of a little white cottage with green shutters. You guessed it, I was in Amy's apartment, where we made fudge together. I got to my feet somehow. I knew the best thing to do with me. There was a fire escape in a window. I got out there and I weaved against the wall. Away with that load he was carrying. I don't know. I don't see. Don't just stand there. We've got to do something. There might be trouble. Now let's keep going. I didn't wait to find out what they were going to do. I made my way down the fire escape and started walking for the street. And that's when I noticed my shoes didn't fit me anymore. They weren't mine. Neither was the gray flannel suit with the label marked tidkeys. Neither was the blue shirt. While I was at it, the ring on my finger engraved Emerson High in 1936 wasn't mine either. My new belt buckle had a big letter T on it, which is not my initial. It really isn't. And I didn't have any use for the eyeglasses in my coat pocket either. You were out when I walked in the office, F, but you'd been there.  The desk blotter was drenched with salt tears. And a newspaper folded back to page 13, and I'll sue the chronicle on this if it's the last thing I do, gave me a two inch spread item, November 15th, 1950. 15? What happened to the 13th and the 14th? Detective perishes in Berkeley fire. I read it through once and twice. It was my obituary. By listening to the first in a new series of adventures involving radio's most famous detective, Sam Spade. Later tonight on most NBC stations, Duffy's tavern comes your way with another merry half hour session starring Ed Gardner as Archie the manager. There's a full serving of laughs garnished with chuckles and whipped up by Archie and his unpredictable friends, Miss Duffy, Clifton Finnegan and Eddie the waiter. It's just one of the many great Friday evening entertainment features on NBC. It's Duffy's Tavern. Your cue for better listening where the three chimes always mean good times. Make it a Friday evening habit to tune early and stay late at your favorite NBC station. And now back to caper over my dead body. Tonight's adventure with Sam Spade. I left the crepe on the door and went out to buy a new desk blotter and some more newspapers. The whole ball news had the best story, which wasn't much. Samuel Spade, licensed private investigator, perished Wednesday night in a fire in a vacant house in Berkeley. His warm friends will feel regret at the passing of a man who was always kind to the poor. None of us ever asked Sam Spade for a handout without receiving a kind word and bon mot as he turned us down. This was nice, but I wanted more. It was fairly safe to wonder about unrecognized. My ill-fitting attire, acquired from my unknown benefactor, would be disguised enough when combined with my two-day beard. Engine Company 16, Berkeley division, had handled the fire and half a block away was a grog shop called The Shamrock. I waited for a fireman to come in. Bartender. Bartender! What kind of a place are you running now? I've been here five minutes. Well, it seemed like five minutes. A wee bit more, if you don't mind. That's enough for you, Patty. You're still on duty. I am not. I'm off now. The chief said I could be off. He says every day I receive such a shock to me, system. You received your shock three days ago. And I'm still shaking, man. Oh, the sight of him was terrible, terrible. Aren't as black as the good saints' beard. Hard twisted and horrible in death. He was probably dead drunk and didn't know what happened to him. The flames and finding him like me. Oh, it was terrible, terrible, terrible. Terrible. It wasn't that bad, and you've had your limit. And who says so? I say so. Oh, you do, do you? And who are you? Your brother-in-law. Well, maybe I can spot you one time. I never drink with strangers. What's your name? Uh, Old Doolan. Well, you heard the man go ahead and pour. Cheers. Yeah. Fireman, you had a terrible experience three days ago. That I did, Mr. Old Doolan. That I did indeed. I've heard it a dozen times. I'll be at the other end of the bar. Three nights ago, Mr. Old Doolan. And we get a call from the house on Claremont. It is a fire. Well, sir, when we get there, it's about all gone. Can't understand why it's been flames so fast. Wood. It was the funeral pyre of a man who lived in sin. Huh? Uh, detective fellow. Sam Spade, he was identified as. Oh, one moment, Fireman. I've heard fine things about him. Ah, some of those uppity police fellows from the division of homicides said he was a nice fellow. But some of the boys at the fire station and Miss Elve, well, we got our own ideas about that. Oh, what kind of ideas, Paddy, my boy? What kind of good can any man be accomplishing in an empty house late at night, I ask you, Mr. Old Doolan? Oh, he was done to a turn. He was when I burst in the door with me axe. Saved sit in the club room. Charged. Hempty whiskey bottle scattered all about. Sin, no, Doolan, sin.  Vace, rampant! From there, I went downtown to a telegraph office where I sent a wire to Toledo on a long chance. And while I was waiting for an answer on a not-so-long chance, I slunk into the bomb-torn funeral parlor to pay my respects to the departed. I stood in the back of that dimly-lit chapel and scanned the sea. Three of the boys from homicide were there, blowin' their noses. Two chorus girls I thought had long since forgotten me were there in black, deep-veen necks. My insurance man was there, looking awful worried. One chronicle reporter with photographer and a shoe-shined boy from our building and the bailiff from the courthouse just to mention a few I could make up. And you were there, F.A. Up front near a closed casket. I made out a bar of flowers from robbery detail. It said, good-bye, Sam. Maxie from the city morgue was the only one who looked at ease. Does anyone wish to, uh, you, miss? I was touched, Effie, and I would've stopped the whole thing then and there. But I had to find out who was in that casket. I reeled out the front door with tears in my eyes and slid around to the back door and into Chester Swan's private office. And there I made a phone call and got an answer to my telegram, which caused me to make another call to his bank. By that time, most of it was right in place. A search through his desk revealed nothing and a safe standing in the corner the same. But then my answer walked right in the door. When I found you'd left, but I saw you at the funeral and I thought you'd be here. And the guy was with you? Was he worried, too? Oh, him, him. That was Dr. Jesslyn. Sam, you'd been out for two days and I didn't. Oh, Sam, you're safe. You got away from it all. You've escaped, darling. Yeah, yeah, they're burying me right now. I'm dead. It's so wonderful, Sam. Only one thing. Where do you fit? The caper. I was supposed to burn up in that fire and what was left was supposed to look enough like Theodore J. Swan, class of 1936 Toledo, Ohio, to let beneficiary Chester Swan collect a nice pile of insurance money. Sam, what are you talking about? Who was Theodore J.? What did you say? Chester's only living relative. They're burying him right now. Somebody lost his caper. You want to tell me? Darling, I was at the house the night of the fire working on my foggy picture.  And I was on the floor and a man was bending over me.  And then what happened? I put you in my car and took you home. I was going to phone the police but I decided it was something you were working on and I went back to the house and it... And it was burning and you knew the man you'd hit on the head was in there. Believe me, Sam, I didn't know the house was going to burn down. I wouldn't kill anybody, Sam. I only wanted... You only wanted to help me and you did right, Angel. Oh, Sam. That's all right. I'm your witness. You didn't start the fire. You mean somebody really started it? Chester. He thought it was me lying on the floor in there. The bank tells me he's about to go busted. He figured this went out with his nephew to scare up some insurance, though. I'm about the same size as... Hold me, Sam. Hold me. It's been horrible. This is the kind of thing I was trying to paint. Now I'm smack dab up against it and I'm sick. I'm scared. Easy, easy. Sam, you're really dead. There's our way out, Sam. Just leave now. Let it go the way it is. They all think you're dead. Oh, dear. Huh? But we know different, don't we, Mr. Spade? He was holding a Navy Colt revolver in front of him with both hands. I couldn't make up my mind to rush him and count on his bad aim or stand still and be a perfect target while I tried to talk him out of it. Either way, he was a crazy man with a gun and he was getting ready to use it.  And that puts you in quite a spot, doesn't it, Mr. Swain? Until a moment ago, yes, but now. Mr. Spade, the newspapers all say you're dead. The death certificate says the same thing. All of your friends are following your casket and my nephew's corpse to the cemetery at this very moment. Everybody expects you to be dead, Mr. Spade. Thanks to you, Mr. Swain.  I'd miss you, Sam.   Couldn't I? Oh, why, that's a terrible thing to think. Huh? Oh, you're not reasoning properly, Chester. You really aren't. How would you explain Amy?  And what about the coroner's office? You know how they are. But if I... And don't forget the medical examiner's got something to say, too, not to mention the fact that you'd have to really burn me up to cover up the bullet hole. And furthermore, Chester, when you shoot me, if you happen to hit a rib and chip off some bone, they'd know I was shot before, and then homicide had been on it. I'm a failure.  Let it all out. You'll feel better. Ah! And he did. And he's still crying in his cell downtown. Period. And the report. Oh, Sam, you were so brave.  You were wonderful. True, Effie. Amy thinks so, too. She's gonna do me in oils when they let her out of the pokey. Amy's in jail. What for, Sam? Oh, technical charge of an involuntary manslaughter. Well, springer, as soon as the coroner's inquest is completed. Dear Amy... Did she make good fudge, Sam? Fudge? Oh, that was the least of it. Oh? What do you mean? After the fudge. What then? Panucci.  Say, go type that up, sweetheart, while I see if there's any mention of my miraculous resuscitation on the radio page. Go, go. Scoot, scoot. There certainly is a mention of Sam's spade on the radio page for Friday. Sam's spade is one more in the list of great shows to join up in NBC's Parade of the Stars. Have you heard the big show? This Sunday, the big show comes your way once again on NBC. Listen to just a few of the star names who will be appearing this week. Bob Hope, Jimmy Durante, Perry Como, Jose Ferrer, Mindy Carson, Eddie Cantor, Meredith Wilson and his orchestra and many, many more. And, of course, your emcee once again will be the lady who invented the snappy retort to Lula Bankhead. Yes, it's the big show. It's big in music, big in drama and big in comedy. Be sure to hear the big show Sunday. I doubt it. Good. I will sign it and you will keep it always to remind you that I'm still here. Oh, Sam. Living, breathing, brave and handsome, a paragon. Sam, what will we do about the mail? The mail? What mail? Where would you... All the letters and postcards and telegrams and all that came when people thought you...  When they thought you... Oh, there have been enough tears tonight. Oh, Sam, it's so good to have you back. Will you be the same as you always were? Well, I'm going to try. Well, because then you can't help but be, like they say, the greatest private detective of them all. We'll see. Good night, Sam. Good night, sweetheart. No. The Adventures of Sam Spade are produced, edited and directed by William Spear. Sam Spade was played by Stephen Dunne. Lorene Tuttle is Effie. Script for tonight's adventure by E. Jack Newman. Musical Scarring by Lud Gluskin, conducted by Frank Worth. Join us again next week, same time for another adventure with Sam Spade. 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Hey guys, Thundee here and we are back with the Galaxy S22 Ultra Snapdragon vs the Galaxy S22 Ultra Exynos. Now this is all about gaming and gaming performance and if you guys remember I did this video closer to around lunch so almost about two months ago and one of our big results was the fact that yes all of the games were not optimized but we can clearly see that optimization is probably the biggest factor that gives Snapdragon the edge with the Snapdragon 8 Gen 1. So I decided to check back a couple months after launch to see where we are with optimization for some of the key games that we like. So of course that will be Call of Duty Mobile, PUBG Mobile as well as also Genshin Impact and the new entry into the business Apex Legends Mobile. So let's go ahead and take a look at both devices. Now both of them are S22 Ultra's. Now my Exynos version is the green, my Snapdragon is black but I've got this really cool case which I want to actually thank Technical T4 but this is an awesome case I have a link for you guys down below. That being said though they are similar and different they have the same camera modules but they do have different processors inside. Yes the batteries are the same charging is the same speed all that fun stuff but we've got a Snapdragon 8 Gen 1 right here in the Snapdragon version and we have an Exynos 2200 on this device. So these are two different devices in terms of performance. So let's start off with our very first game because I know you guys want to actually see what this actually means here. Now both devices I'm going to be running Call of Duty but here's something that's quite interesting off the bat for Call of Duty. So with the Exynos version when you are playing Call of Duty you only have a limited choices in terms of graphical performance. So you go into your graphics settings you can see I can either go max high basically high in graphics quality and max in of course frame rate or I can go very high in graphics quality and of course very high in frame rate. So I cannot max it out all the way which is a bit of a bummer and I really didn't like it with this device. Now when I ran this game at very at high graphics and max frame rate on the Exynos version I got 60 frames per second but again this is a base game we use for most of our benchmarks and the fact that I cannot still run Call of Duty on here Call of Duty mobile on the Exynos version at the same rate as I do on the Snapdragon version to me is not good. So that is a bit of a downer there and I have to actually say look Snapdragon wins. Let's go ahead and check our very next game and of course this is PUBG mobile. This is a game a lot of people love to play it's a really big game and here we jump into the graphics settings and we clearly see a huge disadvantage so clearly we know on the Snapdragon version we get of course ultra HD ultra that gives us what 40 frames per second and smooth extreme gives us 60 frames per second so what about the Exynos what do we get there well Exynos we get we can do smooth high and we can't do ultra HD ultra we can't do HDR we can only do HD and high so already off the bath I'm having to run the benchmarks on this because I cannot run on the best settings possible that I can so right now you have two galaxy devices that cannot run two of the biggest games at the same level for both of them and that is pretty huge so things are not looking good guys for the Exynos version but we still have two more games so let's go ahead and check out Genshin Impact. Now Genshin you know is not a well optimized game that is the standard you probably need a gaming device a gaming smartphone to reach the maximum of course performance but both games we can't run it at the maximum setting which of course is 60 frames per second and with this which is actually pretty cool is the fact that both of them also are running at almost the same frame rate with the galaxy with the snapdragon having the slight edge at 48 frames per second while the Exynos version is at 46 frames per second when we play for about 15 minutes of gameplay so I'll say they're really close together which is something that actually is impressive I'm glad to say at least in Genshin Impact both can be played at the same level and finally the newest game out of all of them is Apex Legends Mobile I'm really loving this game guys this has some great gameplay it feels like Apex I've been winning some games by the way which is great for me but that being said though this is a brand new game it's got new graphic settings which both of them can actually do and what is pretty interesting here is you can actually go through the maximum for H now of course the best settings for your best FPS is a very high and ultra HD or in this case I ran an ultra HD extreme HD and for both devices I got almost close to the same in terms of FPS's I was getting 53 frames per second for the snapdragon and around 50, 50, 52 for the Exynos so that's also pretty close here so it seems at least with Genshin Impact and of course Apex Legends Mobile that we're getting almost the same performance from both which is nice but that also leaves the fact that we have two other the most popular games that you cannot run them at the highest setting while Call of Duty is a little bit closer with PUBG Mobile it's just nowhere close which kind of brings me to the point of what this whole video is about now we know Samsung has been having multiple different processors within their devices now it's quite clear that if you're in Europe you're going to get the Exynos version and the rest of the world you're most likely going to get the snapdragon version and honestly it still stands to beckon that if you're going to be getting Galaxy S22 Ultra you should get the snapdragon version which is this one right here if you're going to be doing any kind of gaming for a long period of time want to play at the best settings possible now that's not saying that the Exynos version cannot game like that and cannot game properly you just cannot go to the maximum or the best settings for your frames per second at least for a few games especially when you're looking at Call of Duty Mobile and PUBG Mobile so there it is guys let me know what you think do you think that hmm it really doesn't matter or are you kind of pissed insane look Samsung we want one processor go with snapdragon if you want to get the best performance or you know what maybe build your own thing and improve Exynos and let's see something that actually does either the same or better they have choices but you guys can speak this is thunder you saying thank you don't forget to like share subscribe if you want to pick up any of these devices especially the snapdragon version use the link down below this is thunder you saying thank you and always enjoy entertainment


Final clip from the debate, Keir and Rebecca Long Bailey talking about Palestine. We've spoken rightfully a lot about anti-Semitism but what about the rights of the Palestinian people and I want to hear what you guys think of that. Keir Starmer, we can stand up and we should stand up for Palestinian rights and that can perfectly well be done without being anti-Semitic. These two things are not in conflict and the suggestion that they are is just wrong I think but you're absolutely right to raise this because we do have a dispossessed of Palestinian people and we have an insecure Israel and I don't think anybody can pretend that this is a state of affairs that is possibly right in the world and we need to do something about it. Standing up for the rights of Palestinians is the right thing for our party to do and we've always done that and I believe in a secure Israel alongside a viable state of Palestine but I also think that the conflict must be settled on the basis of international law, human rights and social justice. 80% of Palestinians are reliant on humanitarian aid so we should continue calling for an end to the blockade and the illegal settlements that we see in the Palestinian West Bank and in Gaza and I'll never apologise for standing up for the rights of Palestinian people but at no point should it ever be conflated with anti-Semitism there should always be two separate issues. We've mentioned that at times Keir Starmer has been better than Rebecca Longbelly when it comes to issues such as anti-Semitism because he's been less inclined to defer like he seems like because he's an intellectually confident person and also to be fair because he feels less like the moment he says something off script he's going to be destroyed by the entire establishment which is obviously what Rebecca Longbelly is worried about. He's also older, right? I mean he's almost 20 years older but which is why he can have the confidence to say I'm not Zionist whereas Rebecca Longbelly says I am and even on the drugs question which we haven't shown a clip to that was there was a moment where they were asked would you legalise cannabis? Keir Starmer said I'd consider decriminalising cannabis. Rebecca Longbelly just said like no because I think she doesn't she doesn't want to open any more fronts because enough people are attacking her already but on on that issue there Rebecca Longbelly did so much better than Keir Starmer and that's because you know Keir Starmer was asked a question by someone in the audience who was obviously incredibly concerned that the debate when it comes to anti-Semitism has come to a point where the rights of Palestinians are being you know ignored.   So there's someone in the audience who's like we've we've entered this upside down world where Palestinians are being called racist for saying true statements right? Saying we were displaced. Yeah and Keir Starmer was like we can be anti- we can be pro-Palestine without being anti-Semitic but it's not quite this voice is it? I'll work on my Keir Starmer. But then he's analysis of Israel-Palestine is like there is a dispossessed people in Palestine and there is an insecure Israel. It's like that just makes it sound like there's this sort of equal battle oh both sides what we're going to do you know? And at least Rebecca Longberty puts down on the table of course we want a secure Israel and of course Palestinians are dispossessed but the real fucking issue here is that we need international law to be followed and who's not following international law? Israel I mean I'm putting I'm sort of adding a few words here but that was that was really the point of her answer right? She's talking about what's going on in Gaza she's talking about the situation on the ground so that we don't forget what matters whereas in that situation again it comes down to what are you comfortable talking about and as a left-wing person what you're often comfortable talking about is injustice and fighting and struggle and Keir Starmer sort of says well there's a difficult situation. Well also it's like difficult situation. How do we help the Palestinians? Well look you can support Palestinians or self-determination without being anti-Semitic. True that's not answering the question and like you know Lisa Nandi when they were talking about inequality talks about Jeff Bezos and somebody who works for Amazon on you know poverty pay.