, get cooled out j Yeah, j Take joker review The thing to do now when someone has an opinion that you don't like is to say they're wrong Yeah, this this falls back on him immediately.  Isn't he rejecting the notion of a bad take right like is he saying those are impossible? Well then Surely by that logic he's saying your take is bad to have a take that says another take is bad, right? No, shut up Like what i'm saying is this this this cascades because you can't say I could just I could this is why it works forever I should be like it's just my opinion about your opinion So you can't say that my opinion is I can't have an opinion on your opinion being a bad opinion because that's my opinion So if you go to joker on youtube movies How come joker ends in quotation marks, but doesn't have one in the beginning of it What oh, yeah, what is that a oh that's silly. That's weird. He's making typo on their own movie. Yeah, I think that's a typo Oh my god Well, they obviously watch our show. So now they know there you go guys that's out of character youtube wouldn't make a mistake No Fun idea fun fact the the quotation mark used to be there and then youtube released a helpful update where they removed it Oh, that is yeah, that sounds like youtube. We removed a thing that was correct Also, I think uh now it's been revealed that the title of the stream may have been influenced by uh The movie maker has a bad take on the joker Who's told by right So makin is one of his characters.  He's pretending to have done on himself with his like parody character Um, but we're now making it a reality and 12 minutes and 47 seconds. That is weak source I'm genuinely curious if this is supposed to be a shot at me or not because like i'm doing the thing that he's bitching about Right. I mean it has to be right like I don't I don't think it was but deliberately aimed at you He just searched for that and then screen shot. No, I mean you personally most of the idea You're just the one that was there, you know So like I'm sure this shot is aimed at all all five of us for example Like not just you if you type in bad take joker review j your video is on top. Yay The best Yeah, I just want to clarify His video also comes up as one of the first results I want to clarify that jay is the problem not us. You see jay is the one that's been making giving efeb a bad name As as ralf has just pointed out. He is the bad tism. I'm glad we've uh We've highlighted this Yes The movie maker he has a bad take his take it's just a bad take I want to delve into the metaphors and yeah, it is a bad take Yeah, I would I would like to have him on here and I would ask him Is it possible to have a quote-unquote bad take and if he says no Then I'd start giving what I would assume a ubiquitous bad takes and just see how long it takes for him to define Okay. Yeah. Oh, no, okay fine that and what does he have room to stand on this? I mean there this entire video so far even if it's only been four minutes has been him going over and saying You see this acting that's bad acting moving on to just see this Moving on Let's just do an example, right? So it's bad. Uh rags. Let's let's play this out. All right. So, um, I don't like joker Find out why I don't like joker Um, ask me why ask me what what am I playing?  Yeah, you play Fine play Ralph and you don't believe this such a thing as a bad take Okay So ask me why Okay. Oh, all right because if I just thought I was Ralph believing that um What am I supposed to ask you so I'm saying I I think joker is a bad don't ask me why Why do you think joker is why do you think joker is a bad? Well, because the a lot of the marketing showed the walking phoenix was in the movie He's barely in it Like most of the film is about Robert De Niro's Stupid show or about his mother or about all these tertiary characters Like you see him for what like five minutes in total like I really didn't even get to know him at all And it's like oh, yeah, it's all a character study. That's nonsense. He's barely in it Plus you can tell what the cuts are Who's jay playing Your conscience I suppose Oh my conscience in this case. I don't even know The point is that Ralph would be like, okay No, that is a bad take and then you go why and he's like because you could definitively prove that joker is walking phoenix is in most of the movie and I'd be like So we can prove stuff, huh me Died here. That's the shittiest role play I ever did. Yeah. You tried what I was exposed to do after after I asked you What's so bad about it? I don't even know what I was supposed to do. We were improving. There was no script I'm sorry. I was supposed to say well, that's not well That's the thing if I'm trying to get into some mind of Ralph I guess Ralph would say like are you sure you're talking about the right movie? Because I think you could be mistaken And then you would say something along the lines of oh But I did see the right movie joker 2019 walking phoenix that one So are you saying that there is such thing as a bad take and then you would then force Ralph to take either the position that bad takes do exist But that would mean that what he said earlier was not correct or for the sake of consistency You would have to adhere to his previously stated bad position And then agree that it's not a bad take for you to say that walking phoenix was only in five minutes of the movie Even though it can be objectively proven that he was in the movie watch longer than that nailed it You see I don't think he believes that there's no such thing as a bad take I just don't think that he thinks he has like he thinks that he just has an opinion and that there's nothing that you can say but no about Um, okay. Yeah, I think he thinks that what he's doing is equivalent to saying no I just didn't like it very much. Well, I don't think that he thinks he has a bad take Right like no one thinks they have a bad take or they would have another take probably. Yeah, but I don't it's much more like The capability of him having a bad take like it's it's kind of Unheard like he can't believe that he could have a bad take on joker because to him So clear right like when he made this movie and he put a film video when he made this Video i'm sorry.  I don't mean to When joker made this video, okay, it is fine. It's the least of my sense um when Ralph made this I think that he thought this would be well received. I guess I'm is a huge I disagree the amount of comments he's put in this video Like he may as well have said in this video. This will not be well received He kind of does it other words, but it's like then why do it like if he knew it well No, you bring him a good point and uh, I just heard the next part of this and I remember this line Just just watch this clip.  Yeah Talk about parasite. That's a great movie.  Yeah, yeah I mean I shot myself earlier on the stream exactly and probably recently again.  It's very look at what I mean about the strange sort of structure Allegory is a parasite. That's great. You call joker corny. Meanwhile you watch mr. Robot, which is way cornyer You know, mr. Robot has like dimensional characters in it That psychiatrist character see mr. Robot. Oh, I like I haven't seen mr. Robot. So I haven't watched it. I like the label dimensional characters as in characters with either between one or more dimensions It takes a genius to make a character with one or more dimensions Even though they can be a character without at least one What Krista and mr. Robot, she actually like does things in the plot. She has a life outside of our main characters So without having people have lives without having watched mr. Robot. That is a tv show They got a lot more time than a movie Wait, you can you can dedicate entire episode to a tertiary character if you wanted to Don't just have that luxury.  Thank you rags. Let's proceed I Mr. Robot she actually does things in the plot. She has a life outside of our main character's story She has a personality in this movie. What does the psychiatrist character do?  She is a therapist She's not motivated but what she does she's clearly going through the same problems that he is to a different degree Maybe she's not a lot of money. She's living in Gotham too As the the first scene in the film is arthur fleck and he's sitting down and he's applying his makeup, right? And the radio man he's talking about he's setting up this stuff for later, right? He's talking about how the trash is impacting everybody rich and poor everybody's getting affected by the trash So that's her she's living in Gotham. She's got to go through all these problems And then when she's go she's going to get fired anyway. She just flat out says it to him She has hit her point. She's like a little swear. She's like a little mini joker Right where she's got all the problems and bad stuff happens to her and she this is like a little breaking point for her Right, she's been fired.  She's being honest with him And I think that's a really kind of human thing to do dare.  Yeah, man Oh, like there are scenes In the movie also the highlight we had about this stuff, man The highlight we had from the other podcast where someone's like she's not actually Like a uh professional therapist. She's she's a social worker filling in for the job or the role Like she has that badge to to show that they're stretched thin So like she may not even be qualified for the job that she's necessarily having to perform or at least completely I think the whole point was that she wasn't And so yeah, like this is a lot of the whole point she he like arthur wasn't Getting the help and support that he needed and it was taken away despite and it was taken away The whole fucking argument here is so terrible. It's literally just the the therapist character isn't as fleshed out as another therapist You know what that therapist probably isn't as fleshed out as another therapist from somewhere else There was only one most fleshed out therapist Chat the chat said but we'd need a scene of her at the supermarket, right?  I feel like you could do it was better Full of unsightliness Asshole for no reason that I wouldn't watch the show. Oh Ralph. You just don't get it for no reason higher ending was a dream That's like the go to What is that have to do with what he was talking about? Therapist is the therapist doesn't have enough character. You don't get it. The ending was a dream What There was a video missing between those two points I don't yeah, I'm not sure how to respond to that fan theory when a movie's over it's like joker had dreamlike logic Even though every movie has dreamlike logic Thomas knows it well every every movie Maybe what does he mean by dreamlike logic? Yeah, like do you mean it's like to to some degree romanticized like a th white novel Anyone jay satan bell. What does he mean by dream like logic? Well, usually dreamlike is like surrealism, isn't it? So like something happening that shouldn't necessarily be possible And we get to like i was kind of like a tangible version of that might be some Alice in wonderland stuff, but this really happened with joker. He's more like Goes from real world to psychotic breaks. It is. There's no dreamlike logic throughout the movie Why did he show him get into the fridge? Is he trying to say that like that's not awesome He might still be clinging on to all hallucination thing that he imagined the The whole relation thingy. It's like, oh, that's all the dream If you if you were doing dreamlike logic, surely you'd use a different reference than the him getting into a fridge Yeah, well, no one gets into a fridge in real life. You only get to Maybe ralph always just dreams of being inside fridges The fridge is too cold. You can't get in there stop it What I I feel like what happened is he's like, oh, there was people that said that said it's all the dream So let me get those weird scenes out of the movie. See that's dreamlike Some people just drown themselves at the bottom of a bottle ralph this frees himself inside of that refrigerator Gorge is a pod bread. I don't think that I don't think that joker was a dream at the end and here's why so So at the end right we see the scene of the clown Man not joker the other clown the the rider man He shoots Thomas Wayne spoiler alert The spam is a back metal killed him and then Amateur sex video I prefer amateur sex videos actually I like them when they're I like that. I don't I they seem so fake Like they're not even really into it if they're professional They just don't The spammer said society doesn't care about jew's fact I don't know about that.  She hadn't done anything bad. She hadn't done anything to joker She hadn't done anything and we have multiple instances of him sparing people because they were nice to him And they hadn't offended him or wronged him in any way So why would he all of a sudden randomly break from this consistent rule that he'd be following? It doesn't make any sense. You see it doesn't make any sense, right?  Oh, yeah, I said false. Dun dun dun Oh my god What what parts false? I don't actually I'm not sure Oh Oh But also the fact that we even see that happening He's like, why would that be part of the dream sequence if he wasn't even there to Seems weird. I don't know kind of odd But I think in any case now with your sex videos Yeah Those are great. Just put one in the watch together Yeah, because I don't know about you But like the ones that look really really professional where the chick is like obviously a super mega hot person and the guy is like this Stud it's just like that's not real That's all the fast food commercials where you're like, you know, it's not actually going to look like that Like and falling down It's dream logic. Oh my god. We're referencing falling down Put an amateur porn video in the watch together and appreciate the subtlety of the story Dude railing some chick right in the right in the subtle it settles looking at comedy The way the jizz catches the qualities of the light when it streams.    He's gonna prop up king of comedy He's gonna say king of comedy did this but better after creating a strawman out of joker's characters like not cool bad Hit with newspaper Who's just a cartoonish dickhead punches joker in the face jerry langford was way more Of realistic and how he dealt with rooper jerry But these are different characters In different scenes with different context in different Exactly I don't remember pupkin ever laying hands and on jerry's son I don't remember pupkin ever strangling his his secretary or something No, because those things don't happen And you know what's funny is uh one point pupkin gets what you could call violently thrown out of the building Yeah, kind of Yeah, in the security they they do forcibly remove Right, but so the the only thing that these two things. I mean they're two Males wearing clothes speaking in english to each other Are we getting broad again? Are we getting broad? I just feel like it's not I mean it's basically a ripoff of one another because when the two males speaking english on the planet are talk to each other No, it's never happens ever Not once There were happens what happened in king of comedy and in joker. I don't know that ripoff. Yeah but for those of you For those of you who have not seen king of comedy the king of comedy Mm-hmm. Sorry The king of comedy This is not anything like the bathroom scene in joker At all the bathroom not even in a bathroom I mean I say the world's your bathroom.  I mean the the talk show guy was a little bit annoyed But at the end it's like, yeah, sure whatever get us some tapes or whatever things Wouldn't it be great if in the bathroom scene just like as it was getting really intense in the background you heard Oh, yeah, no, yeah, that's better than what I was going to say Oh Well, I got some people waiting for me. I really don't know what my schedule is. Maybe we can okay Take it go ahead take it. Yeah, this is uh When he's first And it's when he starts to first get impressions that rupert isn't entirely normal because he keeps pushing him So it's good scene because I like this movie. It's very it's very well put together. I enjoyed this joke Consider it a gift. It'll work for you I will not that you need to help Jerry seriously, you ever want lunch my treat Don't keep pausing for the safety of the string. It's all good. Yes. All right. You never know Copytisms That's a high number. Okay. Also. Yeah, Ralph got hit with copyright on this video at some point So I'm just gonna be extra careful because I don't know Yeah, this seems like a pretty long scene. I can could imagine that this one. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay Jerry who's getting pissed on that one?  You definitely get that impression Meanwhile, oh, well, that's fair. Look at that comparison. Look at that Wow, this isn't a sleazy edit in any way whatsoever. These scenes are exactly like Same context We showed the beginning of You didn't even show their conversation Yeah We show the beginning of of their relationship and king of comedy to this where it's already escalated. It's like, oh cool.  It'd be like see terrible But then how is joker supposed to look bad if he does that? Oh, my god.   I'll say something mean No, no, you wouldn't know He talked to my son through an iron gate jokers God damn it.  This is Ralph Lying at this point is the charitable This is Ralph lying to you. This is Ralph being very very deceptive Ralph doesn't show the fact that this stranger just walked up to the gate and put his fingers on my son's mouth He in the show park where there's a weirdo duty just put his fingers in my son's mouth started strangling my butler No, no Don't don't show that don't show that Just say something play a clip of something semi-relevant and then just go to the next scene Just go to the next scene. Don't even talk about it.   Yeah People get very protective of the children. I don't know why that is. I can't figure it out myself, but uh, I had no idea Why would you want to protect your kin child?  I don't believe that any real person would be this stupid Yeah, that's why I keep getting the parody vibe. He's a cartoon These uh, these arguments are only convincing if you haven't seen either of these movies Oh, yeah, that's that's the other really big problem with this is This is really great to appeal to people who've either not seen the movie or don't remember it very well Because they'll be like, yeah, I guess that is how it went Ralph's, right?  I would say like Ralph But he watched the movie in order to make this video That's what he had to get the clips.  He's out of chat.  What's up?  It sounds like people trying to defend captain marvel Not to mention by the way But uh, all thomas would have been told was all from Alfred and Alfred is not gonna have a good position Like you'll probably be like this guy was trying to tempt your son outside of the gate He was touching him. He's putting his fingers in his mouth. Yeah And this is the guy. This is the guy who is the son of the delusional lady who tried to you know, like this is Just all bad. Like this. This is uh, this is really bad. This guy bad news You just cut that out there Ralph Wasn't a restraining order or something taken out on arthur flex mother by thomas wane or something I think I took a new action In the do you mean in like the set of files or do you because I can't remember if anyone mentioned it? I forgot, but I think there was something if I can't remember correctly Yeah, um, I uh, you know a lot of people like lie or incompetence um What do you what's the vote of the of the of the tale?   He watched the film. He knew what happened in that scene He knew this is jay. This is a scene where arthur strangles a man And ralf just said I talked to a scene. He talked to a son through a gate. No jay. No You eventually You listen jay.   You've got to stand up for yourself You got to call the stuff out when it happens. Okay Okay, jay. You got to stand up and grow a spine bone.  Uh, I'll be quick. I swear Pax said deliberate mischaracterization for sure I think that he felt that this was just a bending of the truth Like there's some extra details that don't matter. I think that's what he would probably argue He'd be like a lot of people have been echoing the whole he's clearly mentally ill It doesn't matter if he did those things is you don't treat mentally ill people this way that sort of argument It's like those details are irrelevant. He's clearly unhinged. You need to help him You don't need to hurt him like that. Like I think that would be his rationalization But then you could be like but you are leaving details out and he'd be like there was detail Whatever I think that's probably so it's like a mix of the two no This is look Ralph's my parody or this is a straight up lie. That's it. It's either parody or a lie. It can't There's no honesty here. Okay. I agree.  He's a Terrible terrible liar He could at least have been a good liar, but he's just a terrible obvious lie. Okay. Be a better liar next time I mean, that's the the forte of efeb is that we try and watch these things before watching the video So that we can be like hey detail, but it looks like this We didn't even need to see the movie for this like even chat like furious Poor man because he talked to my son through an iron gate Joker's other supposed father figure, which is Robert De Niro And the only way this ending is able to happen is through this completely unrealistic. Can you please? What what's right on the real estate? Which ones are unrealistic exactly satan? What parts of this are unrealistic? Can you point to the parts that are unrealistic? It actually kind of seems like it all follows I'm assuming you're doing the the because this is a common criticism the whole like There would be no candid camera shit in this time They'd never put someone's tape on a show Which apparently is untrue Like I don't have the specifics on that, but I don't even need them Uh, because this is a fictional universe. All we need to know is that it's possible. It is possible It is It's logically possible and I think that they set it up Well, it's all the scenes happen is through this completely unrealistic set of circumstances So Robert De Niro Has a bit on his show where he's watching The Joker's stand-up You can say that again pal. I don't know man. If I saw this on tv, I probably laugh.  He's looking for because the arthaflex stand-up his stand-up routine is Bizarre it is out of this world bizarre If you if my job were to be a stand-up comedian talk show host kind of guy to show this sort of Have to make you laugh a set up this bizarre and unusual would be on my top of my list Yeah, like I don't know This is the thing the biggest argument. So like it's unrealistic. It's like, hmm I want you to to people who say that Let's just transpose this to a more modern example We got you too. We got the internet. Think of all the Crazy people to do compilations and videos go viral. What's yeah, that's the future rags not the past Remember hi, kids. Hi, wife. All that stuff remember I I ran for my life All those you mean on like news reports and stuff exactly these people just they go viral, right? This is the this is the the quote-unquote internet of that time is the tv people Tuned into it is a big deal It's totally realistic that someone could get put up like that and then they could kind of become somewhat of a sensation Right, especially in a city like Gotham, right? It's kind of self-contained in a way of course my case Feel free to elaborate on that if you wish gentlemen No, I think you covered it perfectly ranks. I wasn't last night. Good job Right. Jay you're fired Can't find me. I've Talked to your manager I don't know those odd. Oh, you're unaware of your own bad. I'm not gonna say who it is. I don't I don't want to dox them me in a wig Stand up You can say that again pal Robert De Niro starred in both taxidriver and king of comedy.  It's like isn't it cool that the person he looks up to is The same actor who played the character who looked up to a tv show host like Anything has a cool connection.  You're like, oh I think that's really cool I I kind of I like that. It's almost like got When we were watching that earlier I almost called you rags when we were watching that earlier Mahler I was saying, you know, if you kind of change the timeline in the name Just a little bit. This could be in the same universe as king of or Yeah, king of comedy. Maybe he just looked like an amazing 60 year old in king of comedy And then he changed his name That he like went on a drug bed during it. It all just Just came into Murray Murray's estate. I want to clarify as well. I wasn't saying that Ralph is saying it's a rip off. I don't think he's used those words yet It's just that that seems to be the general sentiment. It's like Robert De Niro is in it It was pretty clear who's ripping it off. It's like, that's not that's not a through life That is not a through life You can say that again pal Robert De Niro starred in both taxidriver and king of comedy the film wears its influences on its sleeve And then he gets a phone call that tells him to come on Robert De Niro's show Because he wants him to talk to him on the couch And of course this same guy also happens to be famous for killing the three people on the Hang on. No, he's not nobody knows that until he's on the couch Yes That's where he reveals it that he was the one who killed like Ralph is gonna It's just a coincidence that the murderer happened to be called up Oh, is he is he just saying like wow, what are the odds that the guy who was doing all of this Is also the guy who's getting called onto this show Guy who has a really crazy bizarre setup. I think so I think it might be Logically possible and that's kind of the idea of the whole movie is that There could be a remember also knows this isn't called the joker It's called joker, right? There could be more they're out there all it takes is to have all these things push people off the edge The right amount of there's like hundreds of them It's a lot the right amount of stuff happening to the right person at the right time creates joker It's just let's just replay that to make sure that's what he says, which even though it's a random He gets a phone call that tells him to come on Robert De Niro's show Because he wants him to talk to him on the couch And of course this same guy also happens to be famous for killing the three people on the subway Which even though it's a random killing has become a beacon for this movement to take out the richer class And of course this comes up on the show. Wow. I'm glad that all worked out Um, it's not like so so it's relevant because of Yes, this was set up like from remember this the first scene of the film We hear on the radio Voice in the radio is saying trash stuff and how the heating bills are happening. It's affecting the rich It's affecting the poor. It's affecting everybody It instantly sets the tone of what's happening in Gotham and throughout the whole movie We see this stuff as well We see its impacts on people and how they deal with it personally We see the state of the streets and the cities Like this is all set up really really well I don't get why you don't see this. It's actually it's like it's set up in an obvious way How does Ralfam is it? I mean he's he's suggesting it's contrived for the the person to have done those killings To have also been the person who was seen in that stand-up shot to be brought on this show But the problem is that both of those events Droll back to specific character traits, right? So like the um the the gun being Uh Something that was on his person was something that lost him his job was something that uh happened because of his insecurity slash paranoia slash being manipulated by Co-workers because of getting beaten and the um the intention to become a comedian to to write jokes the aspiring career and his um Appreciation of this talk show host like these are things that are It's like there's like different um plot lines that are all being developed from character traits going forward Yes, they can they can coincide like this. There's no you have to highlight where it is that it It breaks uh some kind of ridiculous likelihood um But but I don't think any of it does and the idea that it comes up in the conversation that he's killed these people It's like he intends to kill himself on this show. He's not going anything. He says i've got nothing to lose So why not admit to the world? I'm the guy who did it Remember this he wants attention like that's one of the biggest things in this film is he wants admiration He wants people to look to him and at this point No matter what he does with his plan. This is like the point in our return, right? He's not planning on going back to a normal life after this.  Why not admit it? It doesn't before all this even before he shot mary in the head He had already murdered that guy who gave him the gun the first place.  I don't know big That ruckus over there at the arkham asylum He's already pretty much He's pretty in deep already by the time he gets to the talk show So he's already set on his course Yeah, I don't I don't think it's contrived that he brings that up. I think that's a weird comment I mean he gets chased by the police when he's going to the talk show, right?  Well time to turn on my favorite show Okay for all the people this is Ralph is saying this he said a few times For all the people who say this is an incredible coincidence that all of this could actually happen, right? Then again, it's all logically possible, but remember right when we talk about coincidences Everything that is happening in your life you you is if you you watching this right now you Everything that got you to where you are is the product of a million billion crazy coincidences which Are only insanely unlikely in like hindsight, you know Like when we look back we say that's an insane coincidence that could have never happened But to us that's how things happen. That is the reality of what happened So don't worry about it too much when people say like oh, that's an insane coincidence, right? Like you are where you are because of a gajillion coincidences lining up just right So it's okay. What I would say is that we've got we just have fundamental traits that Then all lead to the events in this film like why does he shoot those guys like a combo of his character traits plus the world building Um, I guess to a degree degree plus the plot. Why does he end up on Murray's show? It's like it was almost entirely his character plus plot as in He wanted his aspiration was to be a comedian. That was fundamental from the get go It's like What would what would one do if one was trying to become a comedian? It's like, I don't know probably tried delivering their material in like a stand-up circuit and stuff And it's like, uh-huh. Is it possible that could be recorded and seen by the people? It's like, yeah, why not? It's pretty much done at that point This is joker. You could that's the thing. That's what's so great about joker Is that you look at the end of the film and you're like, okay, let's say you're like a film detective You know, I guess you happen in the cinema, right?  It never breaks the rule of The progression from one step to the next step Is illogical and insane and it doesn't follow through And that's one of the reasons I really really Like joker and I think that's one of the reasons why a lot of people are like, yeah Like arthur fleck is kind of like me in a way There's a little bit of arthur fleck in all of us because It's it's all logical progression. It could happen. It could be me and some crazy alternate Right, you look at the the pixar formula That the famous pixar formula where where they use the um, you know one day there was a man named martha fleck He every day he was a clown and got beat up on the street. Don't let stuff one day He got beat up and he got a sign a sign stolen And he was blamed for it and then because of that this happened because of that this happened And because of that he got a gun because of that, you know, it goes on and on and on to the very end Until finally he shoots mary in the head. Uh, it's all step by step progress one one thing leads to the next That's how you write a story. I mean, that's right. That's how you write a cohesive plot That's kind of what I meant about drawing it back to what the fundamental start of all of it is as you as you just said He's like a he's a he's a guy with a clown job. It's like, okay. We take that and we don't need an explanation for that We just like that's it. All right. So what happens next like is there a possibility?  I'm glad that all worked out.  I guess it's some of that dreamlike logic, right? They would just invite. Oh, no, no, I got a Ralph I got it like everything like I said Everything when you take what it is what happened and then you look back You could say Literally everything that happens is a series of insane coincidences But Rex just to highlight one right possible and they follow. How is it that I met you? Well before I'd met basically any of the youtubers and we managed to start up e-fap very soon after all the tlj stuff happened One of the odds of me meeting you and wolf Well, you just so happened to have made just that one video that I just so happened to have watched because I just so happened We've been recommended it You decided to send a message that I happened to catch because it was a youtube message, which is unlikely to catch Everything is the product of a trillion different incredible coincidences when you look back But Something had to have happened, right? Yeah, and that's what that's what I'd be getting at. It's like well, there's logic It's like I did make that video Is there a chance that rags would have seen it? It's like it makes sense that rags would have seen it Does it make sense the rags would have been so interested in it to send me a message to just hang out at some point? It's like why not why would that not happen? You know, it's like exactly Gotta chill out with these Consit.  It's uh Galactic coincidences What the sequel trilogy is a whole Yes The whole point is that is what happened is like from getting from step one to step two is that logical Step two to step three is that like a reasonable thing that would actually happen. Yes. Okay. Keep going keep going That's the thing. That's the link between the steps I need to keep So is that is his molar extremely gay now? What? Some of that dreamlike logic right they would just invite this random guy on there to no, he's not a random guy He's very specifically The person from the video. Yeah, I don't know why you say random guy They didn't just pick a random person to show back from the audience or something No Well, no, so what would have exactly what would have happened is that uh, That video was so bad. Murray would have been told about it, right? In this Dear eyes, I can't believe I'm saying this So have we got an example anytime recently of a really bad video coming out and then a host being told about it by Several people and then showing it I don't know I don't know. Yeah, that's uh, I'd hate all of us. Interesting. This real life is poorly written How should not check him for weapons and your son's been hit. So, uh This is actually something that I find fascinating as a criticism. Why didn't they check him for weapons? It's like why would this is what the 19 when was the space 1970s 80s? 78 I think so this is this is before a lot of significant Uh Crackdowns on security happened. This is that's before 9 11 1981 as one joker and if kibble has taught me anything you can before 9 11 You could even take the katanas on the on the planes right next to you. So Yeah, like a lot changed after certain events and um You can see how how rather low security this whole thing is of course and he's got it. Um in his ankle as well It's um, not obvious or at least it's not obvious to someone who's uh, not familiar with guns Um, no, they didn't they didn't fully pat him down. I don't think that that was standard back then at all Um, yeah, I'm guy on there to talk on the couch and not check him for weapons Your son's been hit by a drunk driver. He's dead Yeah, they yeah, they didn't they didn't check anyone for bombs on airplanes either Right. That was just that was a different time All right. That was a different time Oh, no, no, no, no, you cannot joke about that. Yeah, that's not funny Oh Ralph, you just don't get it. The whole ending was just a dream. Stop saying that Stop saying the dream. No, I hate. No, I think it was real Stop saying it was real Well, for the sake of criticism, let's just treat it as real Ralph I don't need you to keep saying like it was a dream therefore criticism about it. No, no, no We're not we're not gonna do that.  So what about the ones who aren't assholes and don't deceive him?  So how is he saying this now? Like you can't tell like this is the meme where you go all of them are mean except the ones who aren't.  Yep the movie Yeah, I was gonna say I don't think the movie's trying to make it that clear cut that it's just all of society sucks boo If you are bad then bad things will happen, but to those who are good and kind Good things can happen. There are loads of flawed elements of society No matter the political system. I imagine and there's uh always gonna be flawed people He happened to be one of the people who experiences all of the worst parts in a row And if anything this the scene he's shown here like she And her own way is also a victim, right?  I'm not a bad person I'm a product of circumstances Right There are there are villain there are there are people who impact him who are not necessarily Doing it for malicious reasons, right? Like this chick here. She's not like a bad person or anything One of the qualifiers he had was like ignores joker. Apparently I guess she would come under that but not even necessarily that Yeah, um because she does give him quite a what you would call a down-to-earth response to What he's rambling about oh well complaining about um Like I wouldn't agree that she's ignoring him is what kind of what I'm getting at But even still like it's just uh, I don't know I just think that it's a very poor read on the film to just be like society bad moving on. It's like whoa hang on He's a little bit more complicated than that We had a huge budget you can tell because any artistic integrity or originality is completely removed from this film Taxi driver and king of calamity are so tight They aren't bogged down in scenes that need to extend no No, do not tell me Do not tell me that taxi driver is not bogged down in scenes that we don't need All right, I get it.   I promise you I understand Okay, don't tell me that about taxi driver At the scene when we moller and I watch this again Every scene has got a little something everything tells us about him in some way It illustrates how he thinks about things how he acts his thought process and how it changes over time From one thing to the next it all shows us how this one guy becomes Joker right Yeah, um, I'd like to highlight how incoherent that series of statements were that was he like says Uh Low it's really high budget. He moves into creativity has been sapped out He moves into there's no redundant scenes in taxi driver unlike this movie You know, I mean like those three things it's just like, huh I feel like a few sentences are missed between those that connect them together a bit stronger because this feels weird Just listen to it again He's bad Yep, the movie had a huge budget you can tell because any artistic integrity or originality is completely removed from this film Yeah, because big budgets can't have that. Yeah, I was gonna say it's like do you really want to make that statement? And artistic integrity is not a thing for big budget films That's a no that's wrong But be like So like tell me Ralph. What are the scenes in joker? That are redundant that we don't need that don't tell us something That don't make a statement or tell us or inform us There's 10 seconds of flashbacks. Don't need to oh my god. It's in seconds I want to highlight as well. Uh, some of the people have been discussing this in chat and uh The common criticism applied to jokers is about nothing, but simultaneously it's too on the nose about what it's about Sometimes life be like that No, I'm not I'm saying this is the general view that a lot of people power it. It's interesting I'm not saying I haven't heard any one person provide both of those statements. I'm just saying it's an interesting thought I'm not hearing any disagreements. I must be jesus dreamer Let's ask satan Heidi's bad Yep, the movie had a huge budget you can tell because any artistic integrity or originality is completely removed from this film Taxi driver and king of comedy are so tight. They aren't bogged down in scenes that need to extend the universe of the film Travis and oh Let's let's check that that criticism out specifically for seconds Taxi driver and king of comedy are so tight They aren't bogged down in scenes that need to extend the universe of the film Extend the universe of the film Wait, what what is he trying to say? Is that his way of saying world building?  He goes i'm aquaman out of my way And then you're like, oh my god aquaman film So yeah, remember that scene. So, you know, like, oh, it's so clunky when they just do that universal stuff So my mother who knows nothing about comic books or batman or anything else saw joker Loved it and I asked her about This the wane family and stuff and she was like, what about it? I was just like, what do you think about like the storyline of the plot line? Did you understand at all and she was she even went on to talk about how interesting it was that the um The child was left alone as a result of All of this which is a a reflection of joker not going to get into that right now because I really like thinking about it But we'll do it if it comes if it comes relevant for that becomes relevant But a lot of people who know about batman see this as some kind of universe baiting Uh shoehorn thing When it actually you can swap all of their names to instead of bruce wane is just bob wagner and his butler And it all works bill you don't need it to be bruce wane And this is proof that they function in the story without having to rely on the extended universe quote-unquote This film was stand alone. They did not intend to make a sequel Yeah, uh, arthur flex journey in this in this movie is is uh intimately tied in to the wane family because They he thinks at one point he is the son the abandoned son of thomas wane Which actually plays into what arthur fleck is looking for some sort of identity some sort of uh something to call Himself like like I said in that one line He didn't know he really existed until you know that the whole event in the subway happened So he arthur fleck is really focused on getting something that makes him feel alive something that makes him feel like he exists and this revelation That he might be thomas wane's son Is something he can really grasp on to and the fact that it might not be true In fact that he was rejected wholeheartedly by the man who might be his father It really crushes him and that's important to how to where he goes was the end of the movie and why he goes there satans I don't like yeah, this criticism. YMS has this criticism as well. He's like, oh the wane's a shoehorn did I'm just like present your argument because it's weak Because you have in this film you could rename He could be anybody Which means the shoehorn didn't it's like no if you told me That this movie wasn't even intended to be a dc movie about joker It was just some guy and then they were like, oh wait, this could be like a batman movie Then they reworked some details. I don't believe you I don't believe you because it was and this is the thing that's why I use the example What would be forced is if there was lots of I don't know posters of some kind of other superhero that's around and everyone's like Like the superman's already around and he's and then like at one point joker looks up and he flies over And then he's like, I wonder what his life is like and then just says it's super bad coming through This is always really, you know and talk about shoehorn references people always bring up the rogue one one where um The the characters are walking through like that area and they bump into the two people from the bar in a new hope Like how you know, why is that shoehorn? Well because the likelihood of that is staggeringly low. That is insane like well Nothing for the story. Yeah, there's no reason. They're there. They just bump into her just in there if he wouldn't think of thomas wane and Ralph fridt and bruce wane were just in the movie just to be in the movie Ralph That's really good. We But they're in the movie for a reason Okay, they're central to arthur flex journey. Okay. They're not just in there to say, oh, look this is a batman movie And then they're never seen again And it was pretty cool to have uh, thomas wane talk about how people wear masks because they're cowards when his son is Going to grow up to be batman Oh my god, and also on an off-notice does nothing really do with with his criticism I really like the fact that um thomas wane is kind of portrayed as you know, he says that you know He looks down on poor people at least that's what he looks like on tv. And so he's not but uh The meta narrative is you know outside this movie We know that his son bruce wane grows up to be batman And he idolizes his father as this patron saint of what it is to be good and right and truthful And i'll really like this idea because it really builds and feeds into heroism the idea of heroism and romanticism And how much bruce wane did idealize his father? But you see the real thomas wane here in artha flex journey was he's just human.  I really I kind of like that personally and there's nothing to do with The actual criticism of the yeah, no, I know you mean like um the pov uh Because I can totally believe that a growing up bruce wane would have thought his father was a hero I love that part It's all functional and it doesn't have to have a sequel to be functional Like it's not like we're like well, why did you why did you bump into aquaman? Why did you see bruce wane? Like, you know, I need these other movies And they do that by the way and you know, they do that Well, I think they've announced it um I think they will rags and I were talking about that and we're very it's just concerning the I will watch it the likelihood of a joker sequel being as good as this film is Very very low. Yeah, it's very low. Is it the same team behind it? Apparently well, we got the director and writer which is very important, but we don't uh, Joaquin Phoenix isn't confirmed yet. I'm not sure What the plan would be without him There are things you can do, but I don't think I would do it Well, this is the history of it. I guess Listen, I specifically said to mawler earlier That it might be better If they don't have joker and they instead Tell the tale of like a different character or something or exactly they perceive the events of the joker and how it maybe influences them It's actually a theory that I really I really enjoyed this Joaquin Phoenix's joker is not the joker that batman would face But he's like the inspiration for the joker that batman would eventually face. Well. Yeah, remember And I happen to know that in the comics there are three jokers According to the supercomputer or whatever. Oh my god, three stooges. Yes 100 Taxi driver and king of comedy are so tight They aren't bogged down in scenes that need to extend the universe of the film Travis and rupert are active in the stories It's rupert's and travis's character and actions that cause them the spiral joker Um, so it's joker's choice to take the gun Yeah, yeah, I mean he definitely makes choices. I mean we could talk about how affirmatively each of them Like push the other plot. Yeah. Yeah, but but they're definitely I mean, I think that's one of the weaknesses of taxi driver is showing us the progression of how he got to the point where he's in But with joker, it's so solidly explained along the way how he does Solidly solidly. Yeah. Yeah, I agree. Uh Is it was clearly joker's choice to kill robert. I don't think anyone's gonna be uh debating that Like like in real life, it's a combination of choices he made and things that just happened to him anyway If ralf was citing like, you know, it wasn't entirely his choice to shoot the guys in the subway Out of self-defense.   Let's see. Let's see if he uh qualifies this Travis's character and actions that caused them to spiral joker Gets beat up a lot. It's not your fault.  It's the fault of society everyone There's loads of things to talk about as to exactly how joker became joker And I hate I just don't like I don't want to spend a million years talking about this film As if nobody here has seen it because the whole point of this review is that he did see it But to broadly say like the client society is like Now he gets to meet up by poor people in the beginning and then he gets to meet up again by rich people They're in the subway. Okay. It's it's it's society. It is ironically speaking. It is society Okay, I know it's a I already need to say by now. I know it's a meme But yeah, it's a society. It's not the poor people who are bad. It's not the rich people who are bad It's The general society of Gotham city at that moment.  It's all over the place.    So I'm just gonna kill people. What is this all? I think we might be out of sync. What's that? Is this all he does like oh, we have tax driver does this this this a drug is like he just shoots people in the head Okay, let's move on It's only nine minutes. Like he just he just leaves out all of the movie Everyone's having joker just like this is the conclusion because he is assigned by stolen like oh if I was gonna Reduce taxi driver and say oh Travis bickle.   Uh crazy people tend to write Read like crazy people if they're they're lettering in a syntax is erratic Are you saying that there's a difference between crazy people and normal people and honestly, I know a novel idea. I know What Uh, his handwriting quality is not anyone near as interesting as what he's writing down Yeah, like come on Ralph That his uh, his disturbing jokes that those are those are really good insight into his kind of disturbed mentality He wants to be a stand-up comedian But his jokes are really disturbing and a really good look into what he's actually thinking Do well today Also, okay, so uh, joker has many redeeming qualities. Joaquin phoenix is a good actor and he saves this film The cinematography is decent. Wow Shame i'm a 14 year old for liking it. I hope this isn't the complete list of redeeming qualities Oh gosh. Well You got two. I don't think he knows what the word many means More than one A couple of good qualities the cinematography is decent Many radicalities here are all two of them. I very much like the cinematography and joker.  Do you know what acting is? You're not supposed to actually break your foot I'm saying the same thing about jango when uh, yeah, and uh It's uh, it's his hand on the actual glass Yeah, yeah, well, um, I was gonna say the the more apt example I imagine is the one-to-one with vega mortensen in lord the rings He kicked the helmet. He broke his toe or his foot whatever. Um, I guess he's a bad actor now This by the way, this has nothing to do with ralf. This is a tweet from somebody that said that he was really annoying Yeah, that's why he's shouted in that one instance, isn't it the tweet from ralf? No, they uh We go mortensen. Yeah, he yells. He kicks the helmet and he yells in frustration. That's actually because he broke his foot It's influences on its sleeve. It's not really subtle at all. That doesn't mean it doesn't have good elements because it certainly does phoenix's performance is terrific. It was a nice change of pace to see a superhero film that looked like Why is this a superhero film? words your mouth He thinks he means comic book film. He must mean comic book film. No, I think that he is calling a superhero because I guess in his mind, they're just like one in the same. Yeah, it's like the genre Kinda DC, so it's a superhero movie. They're called Batman. It's a superhero. Therefore Mortman this film is about this is a superhero film. You know all the superpowers and super Stuff that happens in this film. He'll be established. It's definitely not realistic My favorite part of this film is when joker flies up to the sun Touches parallax with the giant green fist and he falls in the sun. That was awesome. That was pretty awesome. Yeah Yeah, I just I just be like, wow. It's a lot of superhero movie. Come on Have good elements because it certainly does phoenix's performance is terrific. It was a nice change of pace to see a superhero film that looked like a real movie I wasn't infested with CGI. The lighting wasn't all flat and boring I just overall think it's pretty mediocre And I really wanted to delve into like the themes and explore this film a bit because maybe there's something a bit more to it But I honestly am just not even interested because I don't like the movie that much You don't say yeah, I mean I I gleaned that from the video He was being very subtle about it and I think it was very I could barely tell you don't like the movie. Thanks And it comes from a place that I think is a a bit artistically bankrupt It's not a jonathan glazer film.  Well, that's the that's the problem, right?  He said the film is artistically bankrupt. Do you know how long we can take to respond to that? That was a terrible point to make awful I'm picturing like a guy with a bowl of poop and he just throws it into the center of the room Smashes poop everywhere, and then we have a mop and it's like well, this will take just as long as it took for him to throw it, right? Do it no, it's not no, it's not nailed it Good job. Oh man Something I actually want to explore. It's a buy the numbers copycat studio movie there we go copycat. He said it now He said how was the joker in any way buy the numbers.  No, it's taxi driver It's not fucking anything like taxi driver I That's insane that people say that and I think a lot of people they hear that and they're like, oh, yeah because that it's most It's most flat this most basic most like absurdly Simplistic level it shares a similarity in a very very broad way But like it's there nothing Like we said at the beginning it's like which of the the four movies that we mentioned Was it most like it's like well, you know what there's parts to all of them that you can connect to joker But I think you can say that about literally everything Like you can connect parts of movies to other movies to other movies to other movies Trying to defeat an evil force or all a protagonist who has to overcome adversity to do a thing That he wants. Oh, what's that the matrix?  No artistic integrity no artistic value to this movie apparently I guess the joker didn't take enough bananas to walls What what is it? Good reference Jay you don't know about the banana No, I don't know that And like you got points today 1917 and no just lost them all again. Wasn't uh, wasn't it sold for 300 000 dollars? Yeah, so banana. So someone I guess an actual artist I don't know how else to describe them. They taped an actual artist They taped a banana to a wall and it was like a set piece in a gallery and someone paid 300 000 for it And then some guy tore it off the wall at eight Yeah, that sounds like money laundering to me. Did someone write it like blood on the wall?  You said the same thing I did you copycat film. Wow Yeah, one of brothers in the past has just been trying to copy marvel. Okay. Let's copy Scorsese character studies from the 1970s and 80s I How can you say okay? This is a definitely a parody. How do you say this with a straight face and does not be a parody? Who is straight face?   Something owns something else.   That's about whatever two lines. Do your sense is it's a tatted shed That's how you're supposed to pronounce attached Attached If joker brand was not attached to the film it wouldn't to have It wouldn't have have it would not have been successful and most likely would not have even been made It's made dependent to teenagers Well, he's consistent. He's at least he's consistent in his message. He's continuously insistently lying He said 14 year olds earlier and 14 is in fact a teenage year. So Nice A big gigantic lie dishonest and misleading Well, we could take one line at a time.  I'm saying like mostly Oh, but that's that's an irrelevant point. Yeah, well my response to be to him would be like, oh, well, that's not the point I'm responding to I'm responding to the point you made in your video Well, no, he doesn't even matter most most films of comic book movies now, you know, like a lot of movies get made therefore another one existing Joker is an attempt To make an adult superhero drama Not a superhero movie stand on its own I agree that it's adults. Uh, what is what are you highlighting as the problem? Show me the superhero that's in this movie. Yeah, clearly batman. He's just young Young borkman Stand on its own as a drama. So Tell me Ralph What does it need? To really be a drama What does this movie lack that if otherwise it possessed would make it a drama It lacks the supreme subtlety of the king of comedy. Oh my god Do you mean the one where the protagonist says title of the film? Yeah, that one That that's the that's the on point subtlety you need in the joker so that it can be an actual drama Uh It's the atata ched All right, it doesn't stand as a tone drama If the batman joker brand was not attached to the film It wouldn't have been successful and most likely Wouldn't have even been made probably wouldn't have been as successful No, and it probably wouldn't have been made as it stands because it's It's joker so if joker didn't exist it would have to be called something else. I mean you would have to exist differently Laugh her Um, maybe he wouldn't have gotten the funding if he couldn't attach it like I just Like I think with some of these points I'd just be like meaning what and I'm waiting for him to conclude That's a bad where I'd be like how is that a bad? definitively And it's made a panda to teenagers I would say It's the radar That comment is frustrated. What does the r stand for? restricted rate Restricted rate. What is that? Still what I was expecting Rhino Rated rhino rated r for rhino All right, let's enjoy this section then full frontal milking Oh Joker isn't the first r rated superhero film recently It's different in a way because it is I guess more mature I hesitate to use that word mature, but I guess it is Because we'll think back to Deadpool right, which is clearly a comedy It is an adult r rated film with a juvenile comedy and maturity Not dichotomous Do not say that they are as in crime.  I'm so sorry.  Really?   Well, all those things you could have showed us. I want some you want some beef And accidentally was a little bit high, but my pointer was on the thing. I swear it was on the thing I believe we were like was it nine minutes ish Copy Scorsese character studies from the 1970s and 80s A corporate product Joker isn't the first r rated superhero film recently It's different in a way because it is I guess more mature It is different in a way in a way in a way Joker is in a way different from Deadpool I didn't realize it dumb In a way it's different than Deadpool But they have the other places You know pupkins meeting with gerry was different than Arthur flex meeting with thomas wane same sort of difference there. Well, I mean you have male protagonists So just saying remember when all the grasshoppers at a bugs life were talking underneath the sombrero hat in the desert I remember that yeah It's similar to like it's it's different in a way from the d-day scene in saving private ryan Just it just the details though This is the way Ralph Ralph gave 1917 three and a half stars What Out of what out of what well the the I guess the way to understand it was six out of ten is what no seven out of ten is what I gave it I guess I was fine.  We're watching now Apparently he makes good stuff It's just I haven't seen enough of him. I think I've seen people Cosmo not variety now it makes good stuff. Yeah Yeah I uh, well, yeah, it's not like everybody is cosmo variety. All right, like oh my god That would be a world to live on everyone's that retarded So and so uh, I remember watching this game of thrones one outside of a few points I thought it was pretty good like he said that stanis was well handled in game of thrones and it hit my soul um It's used that word mature But I guess it is Because we'll think back to Deadpool right which is clearly a comedy It is an adult r-rated film with a juvenile sense of humor It's violence is cartoonish and funny Logan is a film that tried to push boundaries more in this respect and joker is Do you see that in the bottom left? Uh, no, I did not find joker.  Uh, no I How do you okay? We've been dealing with the taxi driver and the king of comedy and there's like Logan We're what's Give me the connections because I am a fan. It's like male protagonist All right I personally like logan, but it's nothing like the joker at all. It's two totally different journeys. Oh, he means because it's good No, I think so that might be it. That's the only way it's like logan both good films Joker and logan are both excellent. That's how it ripped it off I was trying to be still the idea of joking still the idea of being good from logan That that logan film was good.  Why would you put that there?  Why are you the way that you are? I mean he's just really angry about this like the fact that people like this film.  No, it's like stop Like like whenever I was telling him how brilliant something is and it's terrible It really does wear you down. So I understand why he feels this way, but he's wrong He like throws the gun down instead of shooting murray opens up his wolverine claws and just stabs stabs stabs stabs stabs stabs We're like, whoa That would And joker is the final form of that The final form of like adult or mature quote-unquote comic book movies Good film. What is what is him happening in this video right now? I guess he's just saying the joker makes sense that it happened because the way was paved by logan And that was paved by deadpool, which I don't even necessarily disagree with that I'm more like asking why why does he have this on screen right now? Like is joker a good film? Oh Yes, it is a good film. Well, let's let's all five of us answer that question before he does. I'm gonna go with yes Yes, absolutely. All right nailed it. So what are the five of us the 14 year olds know? And everyone knows how democracy works if he says no, we still win because there's more of us Yeah, five years to one of him get fucked. So I want a podcast on that on that podcast I said joker was a good movie.  Oh, it's okay.  No, he just changed his opinion. What's wrong with that?  Do you think he changed his opinion, but he was right both It's pronounced electronic fap Well, I did pronounce it that way just anagrammically Maybe then that's a lie anatomically That's an a I'm gonna go I'm gonna go p.  Yeah p-fap sounds like it means something else I wonder I've never actually like masturbated while I was pinging Is it is is that sounds like it functionally possible? I don't know how it works mechanically My science teacher when I was 14 told me that you couldn't do that What are they what do they know?  Oh So pissed right on his face.   I love going to the movies. So I'm sitting down in theater I'm watching a joker movie and I enjoyed it You know, I was enjoying it because it I'm sitting down in a movie theater watching a movie But there's a more to a film than your initial There's a more to a film what there is a more That's a more to a film Watching a movie, but there's a more to a film than your initial Impression of a film than when you see it agreed. There is more to a film than your initial impression I agree.  It's just like I'm gonna get to watch that movie these days because well in case you don't like it I've never seen it. I don't know if I even care about it Like it's so old. It's the movie if you haven't seen it. You're not a film critic. So Like imagine how Jay feels he's not a film critic to like the nth degree But he didn't he didn't see anything. No, he's still prestige. That's good enough. Okay.   Literally paint drying. This is my film about paint dry See we've applied the coat of paint and now it's drying.  What? Oh, no, it's not Quite smaller, why is he trying? Sorry tying Why is he tying boring finding things boring to intelligence? I don't I don't know like it doesn't it? That's not a strict through life because this is the thing like my if someone watched prestige until we they found it boring I'd be like, yeah, I mean I could I could see how it's possible What did you find boring?  It's like Yeah, some people are watching football and the television is boring. Some people think that my favorite, right? My favorite book is a counter money crystal, right? Love it.  It's amazing.   This book's really boring. Then I'd be like, yeah, I can actually I can see why you think is boring It's it's yeah, absolutely.  It means that the one's exciting to him It's the peak of subjective. There's a reason so like it's kind of our job Well, some of us who have it as like their main sort of income right now Like I guess it would apply to a a lot of people in general who don't even have it as a main income actually But it's kind of the job to Go further than boring or fun. The idea being I like this film. It was fun. I don't like the film It was boring. It's like it's our job to go further. It's like we can't just say that We're supposed to explain why and why things do stuff to our feeling to them so What i'm getting at is that like I think we did this on an efat before or a stream but boring Is irrefutable because it's describing how you felt But then if they say it's boring because and then for example joker wasn't in joker enough He's in it for like five minutes.   That's a boring. No Wow Like you could you could recognize All of the things and the themes and the scenes and the subtleties and all that you could recognize all that But also be like, you know what? I was bored Yeah, this is a boring movie. I was when I watched taxi driver I was bored for a lot of it, but I get it. I understand all this stuff. I paid attention Still kind of bored.  No one of people Pissed this video. It's like what the hell man Because for reference, um I've heard quotes about this but this is well past what me and rags had seen at this point. So With a lot of these movies, uh, if they're good people tend to have you know, they might like it They might dislike it and then but if they're good movies and they will structure You can see the value in it even after me months after you watch the initial viewing You can think about what you saw you can watch it again Maybe you can find more points more points of value and with bad movies. You can't really you don't really have that It's just it's bad. Maybe I liked it before maybe you find it All right when I watched the first time then on a second viewing or we think back on it like wow That was awful. I don't want to see it again. I don't even think about it anymore I'd like to highlight the like ralph. Can I just say this about Everything like if anyone ever says boring about anything but then he's like no citizen kane's difference is deep and intellectual I'd be like, yes, so is tally tubbies.  We have to be like, hey guys He's wrong because this is entirely up to you.    You can't just watch it. You got to read the books about Citizen Kane I was gonna say Classes and you have to watch all my videos. You have to donate to my patreon. Whoa now. Hang on Pallets of cash directly to my house. I know that reference That's because we watched it at the same time the good reference Breaking film and its impact on cinema and the same thing with you can have a film that was impactful on cinema And it's still be boring Yeah, 2001 if someone said 2001 is boring I'd be like I mean I've heard a lot of people describe 2001 is boring Boring me for example. I watched yeah pretty recently.  I'm making a false dichotomy deal with it Oh Exciting even if you didn't think it's boring. It's not exciting Wait, you're saying it's definitively not exciting No Okay, well, I'm curious how chat will react.   Oh, that's that's nice That's a reference to that uh that film out of gaska That's a reference to good morning So, yeah, uh, it's a common Relatively common for people to say Uh, I've I've just I've heard from a lot of people that 2001 is boring. I'm sorry. Yeah A little bit about it after I watched it and apparently Even back in the day people were like divided about this like some people were like, this is amazing and uh, they were like, yes Very reasonable because Doesn't one has a lot of atmospheric shots very cool. Yes. It still holds up very well Yeah, still holds up very well very impressed with the visuals.  Did you just say any film you can list the people say are boring? That's that's that's like all of them So if you say any films, okay, so the straw man rags came up with slightly A sort of one has now been sorry. I was wrong.  I'm gonna read the description.   He's just said category film and animation If you took the link from here, that's a it's a reupload. It's so we can No, no, it's uh, it's the original I'm looking at. Oh my god.  I found his description boring. So I guess I'm a dummy This video, you know what? No, I'm not gonna say it. This video is boring. I'm not gonna go that far Video it's entertaining in the same way suicide squad is entertaining It's definitely one of them. I was Breaking film and its impact on cinema and the same thing with 2000 guys boring thing with any other film that you can list I haven't seen any of them. They all look boring. Well, they think Joker's a great movie Because they sit down in the theater and they watch it once and they go, wow, that was a good movie.  What is this? It's just like him lashing out against the The girls cinema they watch the movie and they say it's good. I was good.  He is gatekeeping like I'm just picturing this big old gate and he is he is moving it He's making it very thick and he's preventing any of us from moving past it.  I get it. I understand it. Let me be pretentious for a second It's it is impacted cinema to a degree. It's isn't it the most successful R rated film in history now Yes Um, and it's shown that uh comic book movies quote-unquote can absolutely be profitable when not marketed to a wide audience That's gonna change things. I don't know. You could be like Deadpool and Logan proved that and it's like Well three's a patent, right? So we got a definitive now and this is the biggest success they've had out of the three um So the idea like if we're going from you said it was boring, but it changed cinema It's like, all right. Well, you know, is there can I argue this changed cinema and you found it boring? Well, I did you say you found it boring? I can't remember I was just I was just laughing because when you when you search on youtube bad take joker review The two that come up with this one and jenny nipples one They both got really bad takes Okay, it's a good job that Ralph isn't a lineman. So we adore beast. Oh god. We'd be dead Though there may be some backlash for this because he identifies woman. Don't keep you don't keep Well, I was actually going to go with like this is the first time we've covered Ralph and Ralph is definitely Ralph is in this this tea list. I would put of youtubers where it's like, hey They're good And it's like, yeah, no, I'm sure like they they're great and everything It's just that this is not a good take and and the this isn't us saying you should never watch this person.  I've literally never made a bad video Crying People say are boring Meanwhile, they think Joker is a great movie because they sit down in the theater and they watch it once and they go Wow, that was a good movie and they don't think about it at all When you actually take a second to think about the film you just watched It's a completely unoriginal bland superhero movie that takes from tax driver When you actually think about the joker with the joker, you realize it's a But it's not I don't you need to do it to cut a little bit here cut a little bit there And that's fucking terrible like name the superhero then Who is the superhero in joker ralph tell me point out clearly it's moray Murray's super charismatic He's super a program show clearly no one here who likes the joker has ever Reflected on the movie or watched it again or thought about it a second time I'll just watch the theater that was good. And then we on here just defending the joker. Is that what does that what happened?   Do you think he has like personal beef with someone who worked on it? Because that's my explanation right now walking phoenix No one likes you Beat him when he was younger One time ralph the movie maker He was at a comedy club and he gave stand-up and it was like this video It wasn't funny at all So people laughed at him like we're doing and then they played it on television And this reminds him of that so he hates it.  I'm gonna say sentence Subtle tea rags. Say horror horror. No, not whole here. Say horror horror Horror But he was too early I could chew I will pronounce every Syla boo sentence Aluminium Why would I say it like that? Well, that's that was way off man. Aluminum. Don't even start with a Y Aluminum Aluminum All you humanum think about the aluminum. You know why you don't want people in America say aluminum Um, I've heard this. I have no idea what the source is so I could be not true That it was originally a typo that was mass printed on something and then it was rad as aluminum because that's how they spelled it And now that's just how the word is there now. Oh my god, jay. Are you insinuating that all work?  Aluminium. Yes, sir. Aluminium Aluminum No one invited Germany to this conversation. Oh, Germany has been kicked from chat. Oh, man Stop invading places It's mines now Let's listen to the funny man closer moron Take a second to think about the film you just watched It's a completely unoriginal bland superhero movie that takes from taxi driver and king of comedy. It was it was pretty good It was a pretty good movie What if you've not seen, you know one of those films then you're ignorant I mean, I hadn't at the time and you're obviously uncultured swine I hadn't seen those movies when I first watched this movie and I thought this movie was good I thought this movie was good And then I watched his other ones and then they weren't as good as this one So I don't know what to say You're just ignorant.  My mom loves me. Oh What I say against me, so let's look at my initial impressions of joker from the podcast I guess that's why this is useful. It was a lot like king of comedy. Yeah, I see why you guys It wasn't wait, but doesn't this explain everything So he said it was good on his podcast He changed his mind soon after and people are holding him his feet to the fire over it Because he's he's actually like pulling this up in his video. Yeah, like he's Like listen to him present this. He's very bitter about this Initial impressions of joker from the podcast. I guess that's why this is useful. It was a lot like king of comedy I see why you guys Mentioned it. You can already tell I'm more hopeful in this episode than I am But you're wrong. It wasn't a lot like of course you're more hopeful like tax drivers.  It's him. It's him who did that He did that just picture like the six of us. Well, actually all of sardine cast and all of us We're all sitting watching that movie. We'll go. That's pretty good. And then he stands up an hour later and goes I am enlightened. It was bad Playing myself peasant I've really just got beaten down by society and the first half of this film was really sad And dour and I liked that about it all of it. See I just liked it because it was sad But like upon watching multiple times you're criticizing your own documentation. Have you seen this video?  May I remind you it's his job to explain and analyze films.  That's an interesting experience I I think Mandalorian is really poorly written. I think it's bad. I think it's bad You're not it.      I like I like alien versus predator.   No because we were talking about inconsistency Oh, yeah It's okay to like bad stuff No, that's not okay You're not like stupid Because he didn't like the right thing that's thing with like taxi drivers Like I think I could pretty well substantiate the reasons Why I don't like it and why I think it has failings in areas You know, but Like you can't crucify people because they don't like a thing Especially the approved list of things you can like you can't where have you been rags? Like citizen kane sacred cow it's like taxi driver and I don't know some other artsy fartsy bullshit movie that only Three people watched in france that one time. You can't not Cheese movie the cheese movie film the cheese What do you mean you didn't like the from He did that in the french film about a cook that is getting his way through the life There's many scenes with society He kills people by choking them to death with a big slice of He just shoves the shows that she's done that for us Each person has a different kind of cheese and he's working his way through the kinds of my boss My boss is a a big slice of stinky Uh stinky lundberg cheese But my wife she is a lovely slice of cheddar Yeah Except it's not coming to any theaters unless you live in le ponce diffus in france The only place in the world it has been There's in the middle that's half an hour of a completely black screen where nothing happens. It is very symbolic I like the indy french film ratatouille.  Yes He knew what was up. He knew what was up His name is just like I am a good critic. Yes, thanks to ratatouille Times it's like was there anything deeper going on in those parts? Not really. It's yes surface level scene Oh, you're down writing sympathy trick one-on-one. Just have to be beaten up a bunch Well, can you just say this about anything? God's habit I'm forgetting that I'm writing sympathy for any character or the bad things happen to him because well things happen to Just take like well, just give me a film. He's about a guy who's losing sled. I mean left from us Oh, some of the bad happened to you so we're supposed to pity you. What do I look like human? The Incredibles. That's a great film Uh The Incredibles is about a guy who just works out and becomes That starts pulling back his whole life Wants to be superhero. What kind of movie is that? Normally when I see people getting beat up.  Well, yeah, but that's what he's saying. It's like ha ha That's the they've tricked you into feeling simply because that's the easy way to do it.   Say claim that you need citations. What?       You know this killer crocodile man comes to your imagination. Oh, can I not just apply this to the dark knight? Like people treat the dark knight as the best super hero of all time. Surely they do as well I'd be like, how can I take it seriously? We'll kill a croc in the universe That's not fair Is that actually the argument just like killer croc is in this universe? Well, let's let's listen to it again Let's make sure don't want to be taking anybody's tisms out of lizzards.  I don't know what to say. Well, I would love to know what scene makes me think about killer crocodile It's in the ip so there No Why are you saying are you saying that you're applying meta knowledge to your interpretation to film?   I got a lot of time to develop Easy way to tell if you're intelligent or not boring I'm sorry. You cut out. I don't understand the question and I don't want to say Easy way to find out if you're intelligent or not, right? Have you ever found a film boring?  Do you think it was boring? No lefremage It was deepest my soul At that pit of the merry on the stretch Hot It was actually very cold No, it's quite warm there. Don't you don't you know, sienna's My love has lift me My heart is cold. You just touched it. That was an unrelated screen That makes it worse actually Okay The scream was incidental to rags touching with me. Yeah, I just wanted to clarify This this is very strange to me.  So there's a little person in this film. Yes, and and her theory once she once the movie is over She called me and said I think that guy in the sequel is going to become the penguin What?  Is that where you were based everything off? Okay, okay One thing That's fine, but why is that in here? This argument leads you to you cannot have character studies in superhero universes because then you just talk You can imagine all the other characters in the universe. It doesn't hold up I'm sure Murray would be the vulture The guy selling the hot dogs who has a limp. That's the Riddler.     She called me and said I think that guy in the sequel Your mom doesn't call you the violence telling you how sad you're supposed to feel Sad here This is not a sad scene. This is not a sad scene This joke will be happy. You have a tin ear too. Let's go What is the criticism the music is telling me to feel a certain emotion? It's like what what else is music meant to do in a film? Is this supposed to accentuate the tone slash experience of the same music is supposed to be like random songs and you're like You end up in suicide squad where they just play the radio in the background of the film The music is so you don't get bored.    It's so good. Yeah So sad and melancholy. It was done by hildar guttendattar. I don't know actually Appropriate that's that good and talk. He's off the idea of the instability of his mind with the chords that the resonate With the pokes the poor. No, I didn't support course. No, it would have been perfect The joker did this dancing thing to bohemian rhapsody. They have harmonic dissonance Uh, such a lame criticism. We gotta develop it. Let's see if he does film Also, we've got to be really careful because music is like even three seconds of detection and we're done. So This maybe this is what got him hit with copyright actually Then there's a cutaway to him in the asylum and he hits his head against the door It's his head against the door Oh That was corny. This is it. Whoa. What? Whoa. What? I'm I'm sorry. What he never backs anything up Let's just give him the benefit. Is it dead? What does corny get to find it? That's right, dude.  What is what did it jump? I'm sorry. I'm sorry.  Ma, what are you googling? I'm googling.  I need to help ralf help Oh, don't hang yourself not over this.   I was like, oh, that's where it's going I am the hot dog Oh This is the bulge Oh, that is that is inappropriate for this Child friendly christian stream stream. It's all for real 14 year olds. Yeah, we are the concern. Why can't we be like a Women Buddhist stream. We are the progressive muslim stream in Protestant stream Ah, that's still question. Can we be unatologist? Peace be upon you. What's the unatologist? Is that the study of unit? space Study of unitologists or the Scientologists from space That was corny.   What do you mean dead genre?  It'll be a super hero film I just we did this because yms was on EFAP and we would like we we get this criticism I was like You know, what what are the how how do you see guardians of the galaxy as the same as Thor Ragnarok as the same as Iron Man one as the same as homecoming as this and you go on and on Logan obviously We're in the same genre Oh Fucking king of comedy and taxi driver the same. It's a character who's like how can you argue that it's a dead genre though It's going so strong at the moment. Maybe he means dead creatively. I don't know Well, that's giving some charity. I guess I have to because This video is rambling nonsense.     Like I They put it through the same process. What do you mean that moose? Is that what you thought the words that you just made with your mouth? On a way, so he's not comparing this to joker it would be comparing it to everything disney does in general So how do you compare this to something like endgame? Um, it has characters in it Good enough Wait, is you want to dress to the live action movies like a lad? What is this point right now? What is this point? The new star wars movies. It's all straight out of the printer. Oh my god.   So I I can't I'm too important So this isn't really like some masterful arc film. It's a studio piece of crap So that's that's that's literally that's an ad hominin All right that hominem argument about a film He's completed the argument So he set up that all of the out this this is how the argument went you have valuable ips in relation to comics being made into movies That's disney disney do with them what they do with everything like they're animated movies and their remakes, whatever Um, meaning that they're all printed. They're all like soulless copy printed out That's what they all the comic book movies are that is Warner Brothers competition Therefore Warner Brothers have to do that to be able to compete. Therefore joker is creatively bankrupt That's an ad hominem argument.  So that's where the creativity comes in How do I work within these certain constraints to make something that's really good? Ah, sorry I don't remember you being this noisy when I played halo with you. Yeah I'm playing headhunter. It's really intense. I lost a load of heads before I died. You're in a tent And after I when I died and then that's the only noise I made it was entirely restrained You're not allowed to play games on your trial. You know that Yes, I am Point was I don't like this argument, okay I agree It was competition.    So but the whole point of being bait is that You're not in disguise. You want to catch the Oscar, but you're you're not you look like you're trying to catch the Oscar But you really want to make a good film. Okay. I think I get where he's going Or was his point the they're just gunning for the Oscar, but they're trying to make it look like they're not gutting for the Oscar We want to get a bunch of Oscars.  We're talking about Joker. Um, I'm gonna do my best not to do that again So like the uh the the criticism that it's like creative bank of photocopied Oscar bait film I would be like, hmm. Okay. What's your evidence like?  We've gone through that part Like I didn't realize like oh god, it's so bad Study it's like a like a transformer Oscar bait in disguise Joker is not a good movie Unsubscribed lover is not a good movie. Mike Stoke. Yeah.  It's true. Oh, I said something that was wrong on the internet People are really getting your edgy. I probably made all those people on 4chan upset The movie maker should be at the bottom of every list So this is the part where you just complain to people give him anyone anyone notice anything Post-date post-date post-date Instead of a sunday 25th of june 2017 Wait a second What year did Joker come out for your piece of shit? I get why did you why did you dig this up? Why did you have to did you save this when this when this first happened those many years ago? It's kept this in your catalog and you just like screen shot at it Like if I ever need to show a picture of someone saying something bad about me on the internet I can always pull up this one screenshot 2017 Maybe like see this one fucking anonymous guy on the 4chan reddit He said that no, I was should be at the bottom of every list Search 4chan for his own name and then produced Wait He's gone from attacking fan attacking the audience and fans and and things all those people just throwing jabs at them throughout the review Now he's just directly doing it. I don't like a random comment from an add-on Three year ago 4chan thread like what the fuck? This is weird Approves it. How did he get here? Was this like set up to be that it's about Joker? Get it. You're edgy. It's hardly made all those people on 4chan upset. Did Ralph write this himself Did he write his own Disparaging comment so he could screenshot it. He's playing the long game He's been waiting on that for a long time Wait, I want to I want to pause this one commenter on 4chan He was so smart.  I like listening such watching to double toasted and Brad Jones midnight screenings. Okay From the few Ralph videos. I've said, oh, no, it skipped go back Boom the few Ralph videos. I've seen he's probably one of the worst. He pretty much He's pretty much movies brought to life. I don't know what that means I don't know what that means either. Well, so this is I don't want some movies to be brought to life Like Jurassic Park because there'd be dinosaurs everywhere Uckman greater than john's greater than rlm really Why are you calling cuckman and say he's better than those two? Maybe he's talking about stuckman What do I mean? That's that's what I mean. Okay You think I should be at the bottom of every list literally no substance. I mean, it's not like this video had substance so far You have to explain me why it doesn't you have to give An example of a part of the movie where people say, wow, this is really deep. This is really meaningful And then you have to explain No, this is why that is bad.   No, it's not correct. I'm definitely low balling it That doesn't mean it's a great film it doesn't stand on its own What do you mean by that? What do you mean it does stand on its own? What does it mean that it doesn't have? I thought we proved that when is he saying that like it wouldn't have made a million without being called joker I'd be like that doesn't mean it doesn't stand on its own as a story Yeah, how much money does it have to make in dollars to stand on its own? 13 Oh my god, it stood on its own a lot Um artistic intent In my opinion the film didn't feel like it was crafted with a clear artistic intent It felt like phoenix saved a subpar script and production The studio really wanted him and were willing to Burge on his demands Odd Phillips didn't bring much to the story.     I played it and I tried it and I couldn't figure out what to do You shoot the homosexuals in the woods That's where they spawn That's where they breed with mushrooms The homosexual consumes the mushroom and gives birth to upwards of 17 new homosexuals spawn from spores We must eradicate the homosexual problem Oh, no, I can't say yeah This gave this crew a lot of leeway to make this film especially And I think that's why this film turned out as good as it did. Of course.  I thought you hate the movie. I guess when he says as good as it did He's referring to like I guess that's why it's a five out of ten and not a zero or something like that. I don't know Fucking say the things you mean and don't make it so cryptic Yeah, you gotta you gotta interpret because yeah, this script has got to be shuttle Script he's laking I don't know what's from the script what's improvised scene by scene But I have a feeling all of the worst stuff in this film is the stuff that came from the script And all of the moments that were interesting and unique mainly came from phoenix himself You can't just say that wow just wow So I didn't like that probably they deserve no credit Is he gonna elaborate or is this literally him just being like what do you think Established information about Ralph the movie maker. You just said before this that he can't know for sure But this is his assumption Oh if he said he doesn't really know that makes it okay. Yeah Um, Ralph, I don't think the you wrote any of your videos. I think you've got a ghost writer that does all of it That's giving him too much credit. Yeah all the good parts are just well Yeah, all the shitty parts are you anything that was ever done good on your channel Rags You had a ghost creator Get a ghost creator that did all of it Ghost youtuber according to him there were some really radical changes made to the film from script to set That whole fridge scene was improvised. How much of okay improvising that I'm sorry I'm imagining just improvising that was almost like and that's not the script Why are you what are you doing filming filming camera roll? That's just what he does normally This is like his trailer he doesn't have a trailer.  Yes. I am because I am one. No, you're not. I disapprove Well, you are white so kind of cancels I don't Like person can say the n word then I can say the f word and I can say retard That's correct.  You have a really corny bad See the whole batman connection.  What just happened? That was not all right I'm staring at the timer and I'm gonna watch it and if it skips over in seconds I will tell the audience because that I don't think was me purposeful And in this film you have a really corny bad See the whole batman connection.  That was the video.  I'll actually listen to his points. I was distracted by his shitty audio And in this film you have a really corny bad See the whole batman connection in this film was totally pointless. There is no batman connection There's no batman in this film. Not at all. No batman whatsoever. He's not even mentioned Why would he be? It wouldn't make any sense like a kid. It just zooms into the kid. He's go. I'll be batman Listen son as as Thomas Wayne later dying Blood pulling around him. He reached out to a son.  He was like, I'd like to be a bat one day. The joker's like, haha. That's so cute Oh look aquaman If we're going to go with the whole theory that everything after the fridge is a dream Then why the hell would joker imagine that bruce wain's parents would be killed?  Yeah Also, someone asked if this would be the that that would would have been a result of him having to trim the music This was this was copied before he trimmed the video. Um So as far as i'm aware, there is no trim in this one and that we would we've just been careful with copyright It's such a specific thing to imagine Like for example now i'm gonna pause Um, what do you mean a specific thing to imagine what why would joker it like let's just go with it for a second That someone said this was something he imagined and now ralph is saying that In general like he couldn't have imagined this that's does this stupid. It's like couldn't have imagined that uh The wane child that could have is living the life that joker feels that he could have had if That you know, thomas wane was actually his dad and that All of that down to his level. Yeah, that's kind of Why i think he finds it funny. He's like why couldn't he imagine this i don't understand And that also happens to tie in with batman You keep saying batman No one batman does not even I'm just trying to make him smile, but it's not funny. Is it is this guy supposed to be alfred? No, he is alfred What do you mean he's supposed to be alfred is this guy supposed to be alfred?  What is what is this criticism? Is halloween's joker treating as alfred? Like genuinely, how does he what does he deliver it with this?  What is this? Trying to make him smile, but it's not funny. Is it is this guy supposed to be alfred? You shouldn't be speaking to his that that's it like I actually thought we'd come off No, no, no, that's it that's it Supposed to be alfred this character called It's supposed to be alfred moving on It's supposed to be alfred. All right moving on. Is this supposed to be an ambulance? What is this? Who else is he supposed to be he's supposed to be He doesn't look like Like take advantage of bruce wane joker just kind of stepped on his game Yeah, just said bruce grows up to be alfred He's like bad being rich gets you killed.  Is it is this guy supposed to be alfred? You shouldn't be speaking to his For the first 25 minutes of this film. You know, it's supposed to be got them. I kind of want to cut now You wait, what I just want to use that little cut This guy's supposed to be alfred That might be the most bizarre part of this whole video I don't get it. What's going on this guy's alfred. Is this supposed to be murray? I Oh, I should I haven't been gaddalbing anyone near enough in this one. I feel bad. Yeah, this guy's supposed to be I'll never know we'll never know that guy's alph I feel like that might become a meme Alfred Somebody's gonna make that video series of clips of just not alfred And he's the butler for the Wayne family They're alfred now. They're alfred now I don't even like get it. He's supposed to be alfred Oh, what a fun like moment in this General of the cotton and alarming first president of the u.s. Is this supposed to be george? Is this supposed to be batman? You shouldn't be speaking to his son for the first 25 minutes of this film. You don't even know Oh my god Five minutes, it must be terrible imagine learning something late in the film that you didn't know What did he say? Is this guy supposed to be For the first 25 minutes of this film, you don't even know it's supposed to be Gotham.  Jay long most of those is supposed to be Step is out It wasn't about the same set of characters again It wasn't like, oh harley quinn is gonna show up now and then they're gonna fight killer croc Just because I have negative things to say about the film. I'm sorry. What just happened. I need to read I don't even know what happened. I need to repeat that because I would go all the way back to the great quote I mean, I hate the film.  Whoops It's too far, but it's not funny. Is it is this guy supposed to be alfred? For the first 25 minutes of this film, you don't even know it's supposed to be Gotham It's just this city and I like that aspect of it It wasn't about the same set of characters again.  Just because I have So good you said that was a good thing. Okay. Yeah All right. Yeah fine. Okay. It's weird to just throw that in like, I don't know It's uh, Gotham at the first 25 minutes. That's great. And it's quite a strange thing to put it in this Talking about it's this person Alfred Negative themes to say about the film does not mean I hate the film. It does not mean I think it's a worthless film I just don't think it's perfect. I don't think it's okay. Okay. Let's be honest. You're going way further than saying it's not perfect Yeah You're talking about how shallow and empty it is and how it's made for 14 year olds. Okay Yeah, just be like, oh, I just people would just go be upset because everything is perfect That honestly that to me kind of feels a bit like backpedaling because he's he's late in the script now He's like, hey, look, I'm just saying it's not perfect. All right.  IMO card to be honest. Yeah, like to try this a little earlier problem Deserves the golden lion.  I want to change my vote to lie. Okay To lie in this direction.  It's all his opinion.   This is gonna be in a complete lie. I just like the idea that the dog is like this kid is funny. I'm sorry That tissue is under his couch.  I don't want to know could be He secretes his cotton That's what he secretes. Do you not? Uh, not on not on Thursdays and not on the floor because you're not a dirty animal No, I do That's not like I don't I'm not saying the movie is terrible. I don't hate the movie and then this shows Like, okay. Yeah, I believe you. Well, wouldn't surely this counts for saying it's boring right So does that mean he's either moron?  I go That's the noise of it. I go, please stop sir. I do not appreciate losing access to my windpipe Um, I well what depends what the what's the safe word in the situation? Then I don't say that. Oh, all right. Yeah It's you've said twice. So now I am wondering if this is a parody. It's like I got a bit it Man, let let the dog go. The dog does not want to be hugged, right? It's so boring. Oh, no, it's based on my favorite comic book character.  All right. Okay. Wait, I got on the comment section of my show You have the gall to criticize a movie like joker Let's look at the full comment, I guess That's quite a good joke Well to criticize a movie like joker after giving it price previously I wanted to go back on your own portfolio with cheaply made schlock like this I think you should refocus your directional style acting cinematography Rescues me.  Is this all like this is clearly he's like this is a fabricated comment, right? I don't know I could believe this coming Um, you know, you're right actually wait, how could you because this this would be posted No, it can't be a comment on the video that's it's been posted in. Yeah Um What would this be posted on if it's about because he was he was he was friendly to joker in the podcast one, right? Unless this is on the podcast one. I don't know The gall to criticize a movie like joker.  It's kind of crazy At least he was as honest and covering that comment as he is As he was honest covering the joker. Yeah all consistent Yet it's an amalgamation of things you liked from when you were six years old You like the joker cartoons. You like the joker comic book But really it's just an okay movie as far as the cinematography is concerned. I guess it's shot well But it's not very The structure is Gobbage also you already liked it because you liked stuff from when he was six It's like damn that age just keeps getting lower, didn't it? Yeah I didn't I didn't want to watch a joker when it first came out, but then I learned that it was Doing something all on its own and then I wanted to watch it Yeah, I checked it out because I like the trailer a lot. I was like this looks cool It looked like it was his own thing. That's just because it was the joker It's not precise. They were better-looking movies this year joke They were better-looking movies this year. Okay guys Moving on So if it's not the best it's just not worth celebrating Notes garbage I don't even know what to say Joker's an exceptional movie. Okay. What's the exceptional part? This is exceptional I'm sorry, what what just happened? Is that supposed to be elfred? I'll just show clips out of context Um Oh What what do you think you're achieving with that montage? What what's it's not even Joaquin Phoenix's best performance. We're still talking. Why are you saying this? Why why are we back to it has to be the best in order to celebrate?  Okay. There's different jokers. There's different iterations and different batman And identities to the joker. That's why people that's why you survived for so long I'm starting to actually be like is is this a joke because there's so much tis of it this Yeah Do their joke he's just really he's really bitter with himself Because he liked the movie and now he for some reason he hates the movie for strange reasons Is this video supposed to be alfred? That's the answer The beginning of this movie is boring as hell something bad happens to joker I thought we weren't allowed to say stuff is boring Most down the rules. I don't think he said that. I think he said like good films You're not allowed to say a boring, but that's fine because it's no because he said Apply this to any film that people say is boring. Yeah, but I think the implication of that was good films that people say Yeah, well, it's not what he said is a j I think it was implicit in the subtext. I think that you're implicit in the subtext of lies I think you're alfred Can we verify rags you alive by the way Oh Brunk doggo down Man down They play some sad violin music rinse and repeat it gets a little better When joker's making faces with this kid, but then joker starts having a laughing fit And has a card with his condition. What's wrong with that? Yeah Okay, that was okay But then they have to play the sad violin music to remind you that this is a sad scene instead of just like Fitting music with a scene Fitting the emotional just like violins violins bad. I don't know Violins are bad. You know what I'm gonna do. I'm gonna play in the world's smallest violin No, he doesn't like them.  No, you can't have a You mean your main the main character of your movie can never have their own theme Can't have a musical cue when they come on stage. It's that's ridiculous. No good movie does that apparently Holy shit, we nearly throw it. Yeah, we're actually this this has been a long stream. I just know it's not even half over, but hey No Wait, what do you mean? It's not is this like the is this video one of two? No, no it's super chas Oh, right. Yeah, that hat exists You know break I like deniro and I get what people like about this character It's a cartoonish TV host, but there's nothing more to it He just serves to be a father figure metaphor. He's not cartoonish at all. He's like considering his screen time He's quite well fleshed out as a person. Yeah, I'm worried.  That's not We've already we've already come Yeah, we actually yeah, we did he's when he said there was only one dimensional character It's like no Joker's story and that's it. He doesn't actually have a character see that by the way folks So he made a 24 minute video my video on Joker if I ever make it it's probably gonna be like two hours And so it's like so Ralph was more concise than you and I'd be like no actually There's a good chance. He repeated his points more than I will in that two hours Hmm And this will happen you don't have structure. He's talked about this but he's talking about it again He's repeated himself a whole bunch of times in this video Wow Mola takes opportunity to say his work is good. Wow. I think anybody who doesn't repeat themselves is someone who doesn't repeat themselves Say that again. That's true. I can't it's against the law Say that again. It's illegal Or wants desires does he have a family like It's a parody. It's like record him for a dream So everybody's heard about the super rats that are in God's super rats, you know fellas Oh, I did a silly impression of his voice. What are we supposed to do with that? That's that's been in a bulk of his critique.  That's been the bulk of his critique. Just make The people this is just this film has made me angry, but it's irrational So i'm just gonna have to make an irrationally angry video Makes a complete sense Jokes that are ironically bad instead of actually writing jokes that would be funny You know what I mean folks these super rats you ready for this is still funnier than jimmy kimmel Why did we cut to a shot behind him that's rotating around him to james wan direct this What What's what's happening on screen right now because i'm not looking Is it is it was a shot behind a nero the shot behind a nero and it cycles around him as he's talking Apparently that's bad That is bad It's terrible we cut to a shot behind him that's rotating around him to james wan direct this I'm sorry. I think it's boring I mean even rocky doesn't seem interested Is he described as boring three times after saying the boring thing. It's interesting three four times already. Yeah I think he meant something else by that. I think we are being an autism by taking it literally I think you're being way too kind to not hold him accountable for the state. What's he makes Uh, but I think the subtext was quite implicit and we've already had this discussion. You're wrong. You're wrong I've said it twice, which means I repeat myself and I lose This will be as bad actor played this role Jared leto When jared leto heard that warner brothers was green lighting a joker film starring quacky phoenix and not him He was reportedly upset by it. But here's the thing jared leto you're acting What are you? Would you live? My god that film if you fat or some way it's a combination of is actually some Make it so bad Man, that's what a bad film I was supposed to be alfred Looks kind of like And there was apparently like enough footage to give this guy his own movie And they edited it down to five minutes and all that was left I wonder if he's gonna say that because he's zooming in on the damage to tattoo So was this buffoon with tattoos on his forehead, you know, some of the criticism is is so uh Over the top vitriolic But I bet if jared leto had a full film to flesh out this character, it would have been better. Maybe maybe sure Actually, I completely take that back the truth is no one. I mean, I don't think anyone died It would be better in terms of understanding, right? I think more of it is what I think more of that is just bad It depends on what criteria we're working with here in terms of like bringing a more cohesive understanding of this character like, I don't know Yeah, but I think to have more cohesive understanding of that character would be worse. Yeah I Doesn't doesn't Ralph like this joker better because he is about is about a subtle as a kingdom of comedy because we're damaged right on this forehead Oh, well, that is subtle. It's subtle. It's the king of comedy level of subtlety So that's good, right would be able to stand this version of choker for more than five minutes Muddled themes and execution muddled themes I thought he said that the theme was too obvious and singular society bad Right truth is no one would be able to stand this version of choker for more than five minutes So, oh, there we go muddled themes and execution led to a confused third act It's jump proven that I don't know. Maybe he will at the moment where Arthur commits a murder on television was pretty good What he said he hated that because it was too obvious Yeah No, okay, okay Everything everything after that didn't make clear if I was If I was supposed to be against or rooting for Arthur Maybe you or he wants to film to tell him how to feel does he yes, there wasn't enough music in those sections You can also write off the entire finale as a dream sequence in Arthur's head which deflates the conclusion entirely He really is really he really wants that to be true That dream sequence thing he's running without hardcore It's so weird it up This talented crew was able to bring some life into it But when you remove them and you look at the script and the story and the heart of what this movie is trying to say Yeah, it is good. He's right. I'm assuming he's about to say it's good, right? Yeah Yeah, he's about to say it's good. That's why we agree with him I think it's a lot of ideas kind of mesh together And something is made of it and it's definitely entertaining But it's ultimately a combination of a bunch of other different movies But it doesn't really My god, I don't even want to think about writing out that sentence. He just made It's such a gobble Oh, I don't care if he scripted it or not. We don't speak that way when we're not scripted We don't go it's a movie about several things that kind of come to it's like a movie that is good It's just lots of people involved in myself saying that Well, okay, speak for yourself then That's what I said I said I agreed. I said, okay, speak for something This is how it's nothing civil about it. Oh, I see what you did. Oh, yeah nailed it Come together and it doesn't really have a vision that that oh my god.  What just happened?   He puts all of his Videos into and it uses like I can't believe this is made by an AI. Yeah, yeah, it's supposed to be alfred. I think so