Hey, America Finding in Swayze, 11 o'clock block. I'm Jay Fidel. This is Think Tech. We have an important discussion. We're trying to be helpful here. We're trying to examine Trump's legal solutions, legal solutions for Trump. And we have our regular full panel, Tim Epicella, Winston Welch, Stephanie Stoll Dalton, and Cynthia Sinclair. And we're going to start by playing a little video that goes from page to page examining the issue to get warmed up. Let's play the video. It's a commentary. Alternatives to the commission. You know the commission. OK, stop here. And this is a kind of outline. We have the possibilities of state fraud law in New York. And that's criminal and also civil. We have state criminal law in Georgia. We're interfering with elections. We have federal law on the insurrection. And this against the law, you know, to have an insurrection or a conspiracy for one or an accessory to one. And we have the United States Constitution on insurrection and specific provision in Article 14. OK, next slide. OK, so first is we want to give advice to Cyrus Vance to Mark Pomerance. He's the one that Cyrus Vance has brought in on things. And he's an expert in dealing with people like Trump. And he's probably going to succeed Cyrus Vance when Cyrus Vance retires, I think, at the end of the year. And of course, the attorney general for the state of New York, Leticia James, is also involved in the New York actions against Trump. So our advice, file actions against Trump and his friends immediately as soon as they can. We know there's a grand jury looking into it, but shouldn't wait. Everybody's waiting on that. OK, then prosecute Trump. Again, if he intimidates, I mean, a second prosecution, if he intimidates either the attorney general or the grand jurors, the petty jurors, those are guys who sit in the trial, the witnesses or the judges, anything like that and he improper actions against them. And this is listed because, in fact, in the past, in Trump's rich litigation history, he's done this sort of thing or threatened it. And then the third item here is in case of New York, expect appeals and litigate them vigorously. And don't let Trump kick the can down the road. So we have confusion until it gets to the Supreme Court. They should litigate any appeals vigorously. OK, next slide. OK, then there's advice to the Georgia DA. Her name is Fannie Willis. She should prosecute Trump and co-conspirators again as soon as possible.  And then prosecute him again for separate prosecution if he intimidates or tries to intimidate her or any of the grand jurors, petty jurors, witnesses or judges and expect appeals and litigate them vigorously. Pretty much the same advice through the officials in New York. Let's go to the next slide. OK, now we're talking about Merrick Garland, the attorney generally in the United States. She didn't panel a DC District of Columbia grand jury to look into January 6th. Definitely grand jury could do that. And I'm sure there'd be a lot of people who wanted to see that. And let them investigate everything. They could be a great investigative party in addition to whatever Nancy Pelosi decides to do in Congress. And then Merrick Garland should prosecute all of the insurrectionists, not only the ones who've been arrested so far, but the big guys like Trump, like Rudy Giuliani. OK, and don't let them delay or disrupt these proceedings. It's got to move on. The public is waiting. The public don't want the public to lose confidence in the system. OK, next. OK, Nancy Pelosi. She should appoint a House Select Committee and let them investigate everything and subpoena Trump and prosecute him. He has no immunity. And if he fails to show or he lies or obstructs, take appropriate action. Congress has the power to do that. And they should not hesitate. OK, next. OK, and this is a real corker, I think. Advice to those people who would run against Trump. That includes not only GOP people, but Democrats. If you want to run for president from either side, this is what you can do. You file your nomination papers early, so you have standing. And then with that standing, you simultaneously file suit against Trump, arguing that he is disqualified to hold office under Section 3 of the 14th Amendment. You may ask, what exactly is that? And I'm going to tell you. This is a summary of Section 3 of the 14th Amendment. No one can be a senator, representative, elector, or officer of the United States, comes a lot of ground. Or a military officer, a member of a state legislature, or a governor, or a judge in any state, if they took an oath to support the Constitution and then took part in an insurrection or rebellion against the United States, to which January 6th, or gave aid and comfort to the enemies of the United States, of the United States Congress, or rather, Congress can change this only by 2-thirds vote, which is hard to get. So that, for example, if somebody took a file of a suit against Trump and said that he was not qualified to run, the only way he could be excused from that under the provision of the United States Constitution is if Congress changed it by a 2-thirds vote. He's not going to get that 2-thirds vote. Let's go to the next one. OK, the benefits of this, this way, people will be held, those responsible will be held accountable. The public will find out and see justice done, really important, because people are losing confidence in the government. People will, again, have confidence, and the GOP may reconsider its leadership, which all of those are really wonderful benefits to be achieved, and our necessary end should be now. Next, I think I'm almost finished here. OK, one or all of these alternatives will keep Trump away from us in 2022, keep him out of office in 2024, and restore confidence in government. I guess that's the whole thing. So let's stop there. Let's go to Tim. Tim, how important is it to have a commission, investigation, prosecutions of some kind in the environment of today's world? Pointing to Jay, extremely important. And why? Well, it comes down, and I'm sorry to say it, to simple terms, the preservation of the rule of law and our democracy in the United States. It's just that simple. And without following up on January 6, and all the other criminal charges that the state of New York and potentially Georgia will have to file against Donald Trump, if you don't do that, our law is a mockery. The law of the land is a mockery. And it's a paper tiger, if you will. And so it's absolutely critical that these things be charged, or investigation. What do you think of Mitch McConnell? Mitch McConnell says, we know all that we need to know. Well, we've all seen it on television. We know everything we need. There's no need for further vet. What do you say to him? Well, his name isn't Moscow Mitch for nothing. That's what I'd say. Doesn't care. Doesn't care about the Constitution. He doesn't care about the oath that he took to defend the Constitution. All Mitch cares about is Mitch and his retainment of power, nothing less, nothing more. You know, as I was watching all the screens, if it was a multiple-choice test, I would say add a box and check D, all the above. My only question is, do you have to be a candidate in order to file that Donald Trump isn't eligible for re-election due to the 14th Amendment paragraph three? Do you have to be a candidate or can anyone file it? Oh, no, the answer to that. I just do know that if you were a candidate, you'd have a better logical position on standing. And they will oppose everything. They will obfuscate everything you know that. Well, let's go on to Cynthia. The reason I'm asking Cynthia is that she made a list of all the crimes that she is aware of. And I wonder how they fit in the outline that I just gave you. Well, actually, I'm aware of quite a few others. I'm only going with the ones that he's charged with because I'm aware of quite a few others. But there are 14 active cases against them. Georgia already has two grand juries that are considering subpoenas. And I can give you that as for criminal election, influence, investigations, and what's called. And then we've got five cases that have been filed just about the January 6th. We've got the DCAG for incitement criminal investigation into the role, but there's no actual charges filed yet on that. But Bernie Thompson filed charges, incitement suit. It's an incitement suit for the January 6th. Eric Swalwell. Oh, wait, I need to mention that Bernie Thompson's suit is against his names Trump, Rudy, and two of the right wing militia. And I'm not sure which ones, but I think it's the old keepers and the proud ones. And then the Capitol Police have a suit for the January 6th riot. And they're going after Trump, two police officers, Capitol police officers for injuries. And the NAACP has the legal defense fund is going after them because of the big lie and how that affects voting rights, which I thought was pretty cool. Let's see then. Okay, so those are the only ones for January 6th. I'm gonna come to my most important one that I find a personal investment in. And that's the Eugene Carroll and the Somerservos one. And those are for defamation, because when they came out with saying that he had, well, Eugene Carroll said he raped her in Burdguff Gordon Goodman's department store in New York. Many years ago, still has the dress. They have found DNA on the dress. If we can get DNA from him, we might be able to make a match. So I think that's a really big one, but there's this weird thing involved in that one. The DOJ is involved. Now, he is now a private citizen, and hopefully all of that is gonna go away. But the DOJ was involved under Bill Barr.  Well, no, it's the defamation thing. You can't sue him for defamation because he said those things about her in the line of his job is what they're trying to claim, which is nonsense. So- Yeah, yeah. Well, okay. Well, it's suffice to say there's a lot of suits. We're not on my outline.  Is this really gonna get in his way? I know the spells know nothing's going to happen.  But at the end of the day, nothing will happen. And it's interesting to see Joe Biden fighting against some of the requests to get the papers out. And I think he's sort of trying to preserve some presidential authority in there. That was an interesting one. Nothing's going to happen to Donald Trump. He will be slapped on the hand, he will lose some, if you're already with him, you're already with him. Nothing is going to change people's minds. They're- No, it's not the people, it's the judges and the jurors. The judges and the jurors- They're independent of the base. They don't operate in a vacuum. And as I've said many times, we do not put our former presidents in prison. He will be discredited fully as more than he is already, but it's not good- Well, let me refine my question. Is this going to affect the 2022 election? When- And his ability to galvanize the GOP? Is it going to affect his ability to run in 2024? Yes, I think it could. And I think it could galvanize it in the wrong way. And so that's my concern is that this will just make him a martyr to the cause. And so for right now, let them absolutely go through these prosecutorial motions, let them investigate, I thought your best one of the ones you had there was for Merrick Garland to have the DOJ run a separate investigation, but all of them, I agree with Tim, all of the above, that you didn't have that on your box to check. All of these need to be pursued so that there can be as much of a correct and proper history out there, at least for those that are even willing to look at it the crossover soccer moms or whatever that the mythical version is that isn't in one camp or the other. But I think again, at the end of the day, nothing's going to happen to Donald Trump. Now, there might be a lot around him, his family's, we're going to see who's going to flip and it's not going to be pretty, but at this point, I think people just want it to go away on some level. And yet we have to delve into it or it's not going to go away. It's going to come back. I'm much more concerned about the efforts that are going on in every state. You think the press has made enough of this? No, the press hasn't made enough of it. Our Senate has made a mockery of any sense of justice by having no investigation into this. It's shocking. I mean, these people's very lives were at danger and they are so afraid and so cult-oriented that they are, whatever it is. It's really amazing. Let me go to Stephanie. They don't even think about their self-interest at heart. And so we can't expect a lot from there. We will get to talk about it. Let me go to Stephanie Winston, I want to. Yeah. I don't know if you've got my list of possible strategies that Trump might entertain. And I wonder if you could comment on that. It's a list of about, looks like 25 or so things that he might do. Can you describe that list and give us your favorites? I think the list was long because there are many options and he's perfectly capable of one or all of them even all together in his way of doing that. I wanted to go back to your question about McConnell and agreeing with everything that Tim said about that, but this has to do with your question about the list is I am amazed that McConnell can play everybody that we care what's on the videotape because we do not need to care anymore about what's on the videotape because everybody's seen it. So what it is we need to know is everything that's not on the videotape, okay? And especially here to for the videotape. And if we can go back to what might be middle of story already at the presidential debate, when he was asked about, when Biden asked him to talk about the people and to tell them what to do. And that was when he said to the proud boys, you have to stand by. He sounded the alarm during the presidential debate and I'm utterly waiting for the media to pick it up and start to talk to us about what's not on the tape but is appearing the tapes of the insurrection but is all the other stuff we need to know that being one big thing. So what is that the tip of the iceberg, the signal and that things are already in place? Was that the middle of the planning or was that the beginning of it? Anyway, that is something the media I feel is letting us down and it's the media that needs to pick it up and start looking at it for the strategic, the strategies that are clearly in operation and where they may have come from.  He knows when the news cycle has moved on and people aren't interested anymore, he's capitalizing on that. But let me go through some of the possible strategies that occurred to me. There are a few of them, I won't read them all. One is Trump is gonna be desperate, right? The operative word is desperate with all these lawsuits that I've mentioned that Cynthia has mentioned, he's just covered with lawsuits here and some of them are threatening and I know that people don't wanna see a president go to jail and all that and the base is not gonna want that and Trump is gonna be desperate, what is he gonna do? One is he could activate the base, activate the extremists, have another insurrection or do the August trip with the coup in August. He could distract the country with divisiveness, race riots, a stock market crash. Who knows what kind of leverage he could put. He could distract the world by creating a phony war or asking Putin to do that. It's that old movie, the tale that wagged the dog, if you remember, a phony war for PR purposes. He can intimidate witnesses, as I mentioned, prosecutors, jurors, judges. He can intimidate his own counsel. He can do selected disappearances of people by his proxies and he can deny having anything to do with it.  He could defend all these cases to the max, every single one and lie and fabricate, don't forget fabricate evidence. He could blame other people, which I think he has shown he will do, including even family members and Allen Weissenberg. He can blame other people. They say that Allen Weissenberg can turn on him or he can turn on Weissenberg. He can claim that he can intimidate, threaten, compromise people, disappear, witnesses, prosecutors, judges, judges, jurors, judges and his own counsel. He can claim the Democrats of doing that. He can make a circus and disparage the justice system in the course of these cases. He can get sick. He can have COVID again or a modified version. He could have a variant. He could have scrotal bone spurs. He could claim mental incapacity, insanity and inability to defend himself. He can claim a phony baloney claim of immunity that he's still the president. He can get a 2022 GOP Congress if he wins the Congress to enact an immunity bill to enhance that claim. He can try to do the same thing in state legislatures like Georgia and three or four others. He can claim his counsel was unqualified or incompetent or corrupted by the Democrats. He can appeal everything on a slow bill and hope for Kavanaugh and Barrett. He can wait for 2024 and get a GOP president including possibly himself to pardon him for the federal crimes. He can get some GOP governors to pardon him for state crimes. He can settle all of the Sackler and Perdue settlement was announced yesterday where the settlement wraps around all the co-conspirators and family members that were in a line of fire. He can try a settlement. That's what adventurers litigated would do. And finally, and you mentioned this Winston, he can go to Russia and he can go to Russia and get the protection of Vladimir Putin and he can go to Russia with his family and his co-conspirators or in the end, and I doubt this is true. They had a psychiatrist on MSNBC last night asking, what happens to a guy like this under desperate circumstances? And the answer was he gets more desperate and he tries more crazy things, but I don't think that the psychiatrist would say he gets self-destructive. Nevertheless, I've added that at the bottom of the list. Okay, so Stephanie comments on all these fantastic defense mechanisms that Trump could try. Very, you know, very inclusive. I believe he's doing them all. I think he's already doing as many of them as possibly he can do in the circumstances. So it's already all that's in his head. You write on, you've got him cold. And that's where he is. And he's down there with nothing else to do, kicking around, trying to get all these, he's playing his organ and each one of those keys is one of those items that you list and one of those defenses, one of his remedies. So he's gonna be doing all of that. That's what we're gonna have to go through because the leadership will not take control of him and won't do their duty. That's really sad, but maybe they will if he gets into really hot water or he further decompensates. So Tim, I'd like you to kind of synthesize all this. Going around, Cynthia has pointed out there's other crimes here, other suits, civil suits and to some extent criminal suits that are still pending, plus all the things that could happen now. Winston has said, Trump should not worry that his base will protect him and that the system will not punish a president. Stephanie has opined on what Trump might do in terms of defending himself. So the question I put to you, Tim, is all that considered is he gonna get away with this? Is he gonna get away with this? Can he skate through this? Or is it gonna catch him at some point? And if so, this is a hard question. What is going to happen with all these suits? No president, I didn't know individual human being has been faced with so much litigation, civil and criminal as this one man. It's quite extraordinary. It could hardly be a conspiracy of Democrats. There's so many people, so many claims. Is it gonna catch him? You know, as I listened to all of what Cynthia and all the the plethora of items that Donald Trump's strategy could possibly pull off. And I'm reminded of a no gangster statement from the mafia back in the 1930s. And that is the gangsters used to let their bullets rust because this is before we had antibiotics. And so they would let their bullets rust and they would also roll them in garlic. So if the bullet didn't kill their victim, the blood poisoning in the tetanus would.  Something's gonna stick out of all the, again, the plethora of charges against them. One of them's gonna stick. And I think the easiest would be right away is to have Cyrus Vance file in federal court a violation of the 14th amendment paragraph three that he is not fit to be president ever again. And get that one, check off the easy things first and then go for the more difficult ones. It's amazing what might stick as soon as you start getting them to stick. Sometimes it's a cascade and avalanche of lawsuits that actually start swaying in the other direction. And that other direction is guilty. I agree with Winston, he'll never serve time. But I think that he will be prevented some ways somehow of serving 2024 as a candidate for president of the United States. And I think that's a good thing for the country and a great thing for our democracy. It would be good Winston if that happened. However, how do we get there? Because he's gonna be desperate. He's gonna try some of these defenses out, maybe a lot of them. And the base is going to be unhappy and the media, I'm not sure if the media is gonna really cover it the way they should. How much of a price does the country pay? Does the country pay? The democracy, the people in general, how much do we pay in order to get to the end of this problem? We've already paid so much. The trauma to our national psyche, to our families, to our friendships, to our, some people that they're married should now, it's beyond Donald Trump at this point. It's Marjorie Taylor Greene. It's she's the head of the Republican Party now. It's QAnon. It's the Hydra that's happened. So Donald Trump is in some ways almost, he's still, of course, the head of it all. But out of this has popped to so much. There's, it may be impossible. I would refer you to the Atlantic today, Adam Serwer's article that says the Capitol rioters won. Although some Republican leaders deployed their violence, most have come to support the rioters claim that Trump's defeat meant the election was inherently illegitimate. Now, whether that's true or not, we have to assume it's true. The base when you read about that and what percentage of Republicans feel the same way. They're living in an alternate media university and they're not watching the show. If they are, then send a shout out for us because you're opening your eyes at least. We welcome you to have some alternative things. And we watch Fox too, just to get until we can't anymore. But it's important to have a source of news. But as long as it's news and not just propaganda or lies and that's the difference. So again, search out for yourself. Our country, we have to have these talks on very individual levels. We have to have them on meta levels. We have to have them in the courts. We have to have them in the state houses. But right now, just look across your country and see how many states just are entertaining laws to serve. Yeah, that's a good indication of what they think about Trump. It's a good indication of what they think about Trump with all his losses. So Cynthia, let me flip the question that I asked Winston on you. Suppose he gets away with this. Suppose McConnell gets away with this. Suppose they're able to stop a delay or obfuscate any investigation or any prosecution because remember our rule of law as it has been over the past few years is in jeopardy. And that includes the court system. It includes the justice system, including the criminal justice system. It is a logical possibility that he will get away with it. If that happens, what effect on the country? Every parent knows when your kid gets away with something and doesn't get any kind of accountability, he does it again and he gets worse and worse and worse, testing those limits. And that's what'll happen if he gets away with it is that everything's going to fall apart. It's going to completely erode the rule of law in this country and that terrifies. Bad presidents come and go, good presidents come and go. This guy is dangerous. So all this, we'll talk about, we don't put presidents in jail. Well, when they're criminals, we do. And he's been a criminal for so long that he needs to be there. We are still at risk to his faith. These people have been radicalized, all of this. So my quote for today comes from Carl Sagan. We can't convince a believer of anything for their belief is not based on evidence. It's based on a deep-seated need to believe. Okay, I want to refine that question to Stephanie. What is this doing? What has it done to the, what we call the devolution of the GOP? What's the connection between the GOP and its active membership, including Marjorie Taylor-Green and the rule of law? I mean, what has happened? And how does that connect up with Trump's litigation troubles? Wow, that is a question, Jay. That's a huge question. I humbly submit that all these Republican friends have say, well, yeah, well, we're still Republican, but we're a clinging to, we admire and we want to live in those principles of Republicanism. So all of this is just surface-level stuff going on. So, you know, we'll get through this. But so, I mean, no, but it's, as you say, devolution, I think that, well, they say that and they say that those principles still work for them and they're still gonna do it. But I agree with your point about devolution. I think it's coming to pieces and it has nowhere to stay. It's unstable, it's unstable. It's this anarchist kind of thing. It's got to come to pieces. And I'm just thinking back to like McCarthy, how long it took the country going through the McCarthyism, the Joe McCarthyism and the Communist under every Bush, that went on way beyond intolerance until it finally just broke. And I would predict that, I guess I can predict and I hope for it to come soon that this will just dissipate in some move that someone finally gets enough courage to make. Oh, wow, from your lips. Okay, Tim, you know, we're not gonna have time for last comments here, but I wanna ask you a last question anyway, is if we don't have a meaningful GOP and right now we don't and it's gonna get worse, I think. Can we have a government without a second party? It doesn't seem to be any sign of an emergent replacement for the GOP. So can we have a government with only one party and the other party saying no to everything or devolving into the point of completely being ineffective on everything? Can we have a government that way? We do in Hawaii. That's the comment of the day. Cynthia, write that down. Thank you. The answer is yes, you can. Remember, you know, parties come and go. The Whig party left. You know, we've had these things. So another will fill the vacuum. I'm hoping that the sane Republican party will branch out and maybe they call themselves the real GOP party or maybe they just say the party of what's happening now. The name isn't important. It's the concept behind it and the mission and the goals and the policies, the fact that they wanna preserve the democracy and the constitution and make Americans' lives better. That's the goal of a party. Whether you call it Democrats, the OGOP, the new GOP or the party of what's happening now, it's the betterment of lives of Americans. And I'm hoping that will take place. Okay, you guys, great discussion. Tim Appichella, Winston Welch, Stephanie Dalton, Cynthia Sinclair. It's an ongoing conversation. I'm sure we'll find more to talk about next week. Thank you so much, Aloha.


Okay guys, it's still ball me out here raining like a sieve still raining Been bad raining all day We got about six six inches rain on top of the ice. I got a high fly So pretty excited. I think this one might have been a Shiner could be a mermaid coming way up to eat it, but pretty sure we got another lake I Don't know. I haven't looked at it yet. Could be to the band and couldn't be to the cork Could be just tripped. I don't know But I come get reinforcements. Yeah, I got the world famous Cameron with me. You just never know here. Nope Never know so I got some help. I got some support. We're gonna what are we gonna do leave the lights on it like this We got a light I haven't even looked yet. What's he doing to the band? Really? Oh, yeah, she's to the band.  Yeah You just turn I gotta be really careful of my line. I can't see too well, so I'm gonna try not to keep both up here. Yeah, that's awesome Feels heavy, but when it comes to the fish I'm gonna sacrifice the light. All right. I'm to my bottom mark. Oh Boy, that's pretty sweet. This this one out as I'm still going. Yeah As long as the light's flashing Feels pretty heavy Bob Think I'm getting close It's a bird. It's a record. Whoa, whoa, whoa, big head shakes Monstrous big swivel big Laker another Laker bigger than the last two Monster this might be that well plus we're looking for guys I gotta be careful I got pretty light line here.  Do you get a look at them? I saw fins, but I I didn't I can't tell He's he's pulling it all back from me. What a fight. This is Big fish Big it's a nice Laker for sure. Yeah, I'm gonna take it easy You don't get his head started. I'm gonna just let him go down go to the light He's got more Big as the last couple. Sorry. He fought harder than any I've had yet Nice look at that Laker after hours guys.  I'd say six seven pounds got a cool mark here But he's fat look at it. Oh god, look at that got full out. Oh, yeah Yeah, another big one Bonus I got a scale somewhere. I'll dig it out probably seven I did too Well, I get her here. Oh you got it I Pretty awesome pretty awesome guys. I'm gonna get him back 714 cool mark on him. Yep. Let's get him back Thanks, buddy. That was awesome Sweet. Would you look at that fish bud?  The 714 I'm not gonna put my nose up to it. No, so that was honestly the best fight I've had yet So I'm pretty stoked Cameron obviously If you guys have seen my other videos always like the most helpful person in the world Gave me a wicked hand landing that fish and video on it for you guys So make sure you throw a thank you to Cameron. Let him know what you think of him in the comment section I think he's so amazing. Thanks again, bud. That was awesome Um, get ready for the field. That was pretty full. Yeah, yeah, you're gonna be peeling ain't it? I think this fish gonna need a passport because he's as well in the Canada. I think you went back into America Brandon get a passport for this fish He's in another country It's good. It was gone Almost back not heavy. Oh Whoa, whoa, you got a real one boy. Whoa, I'm Kyle You don't want to come at all. No, that's fine close to the hot bottom. I know I Mean he was felt out a lot caught on bottom. No I don't want to put too hard just keep coming There you go, you got past that point now didn't you? I think that's what a 20-pounder is gonna feel like bottom I don't know what to think right now Joe Let us know when you hit bottom mark. You got a giant on there's only one thing will be better than a 10-pound Laker 20-pound 15-pound cast Joe would go crazy.  He was moving on bottom. He was moving. That was a fish because he run with it How do you remember? Well, I mean if I had to guess Lack of finesse That's what I'd call it Joe Rookie mistake We thought we had the real one on Kyle. He did The one that got away.  Oh, he peeled some wine. Now you feel the way The over two pounds See that line spitting out of his hand This is train on a bourbon. Oh Nice fish. He's decent. He's decent. Oh, yeah Beautiful Hey Beauty it is really what the shape is amazing fish that probably also that Oh, yeah Awesome We got a Bob landed right on top of him. No, it's in the shack He's eight Brandon's gonna scale on back of that Yeah, we just put it about eight. I'd say 716 714 714 That's why we're here I guess look at that See you buddy That's it you got the power My photos That I can only look my sucker Walking them pins melt right doing look at the owl eyes He's gonna go takes a lot to get him moving man big fish What's happening here? Oh, we're gonna have good some more steaks Oh It'll probably fill some of the boys. Yeah Been a good trip ain't it Joe. Hell. Yeah boat top-notch. I'd say yeah top-notch No, sir the fact that every time you get a flag. It couldn't be the biggest right that's right Hold them for every time. Aren't we?  I think not sure if it's making


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Okay, it was welcome to the chaos studio Hamburg at a city right now where now live from from nowhere So we have had a couple of technical technicalities, but now we are we have got the stream up on the running So in this year's remote still vex experience remote signal box operation so Stefan and real and Did a lot of efforts to give you the possibility to operate a a classical signal box Yeah, we're late here and so let's quite start right now so that as many of you can join the experience here and live being a picture at a Single station and Andreas and Stefan are going to explain you. We're running this this museum this single signal box museum here Hey, so I'm switching over to the microphone to to them so we can actually start here. Hi and welcome I'm STB as Sandra has just explained and together with Andreas. I'm Operating this museum museum a single box here So we've last year we have operated a mechanical signal box and this this year We are in a slightly newer kind of signal box Of the 20th century in a mechanical mechanical switch box and so we start So we not only change the the the shape of the the methods of the of the over a signal box But we also have a more complicated Station with two different signal boxes and so to explain what's happening here We are going to one a train so I get some idea what's happening here And then the first two candidates of you are making we make the main dispatcher and the auxiliary dispatcher here So these two will have to solve this task together because None of them will be able to solve to solve this task on their own so Andreas So can you prepare? You know Is Leaving away the The train messaging so at this dispatcher and this dispatcher or main signal box here I would generally getting a call from the other dispatcher So we leaving this away here. I just know that so I'm sorry for the noises in the background so the mechanical technique is making a lot of noise here and So we watch and we see not really that something's happening here. Then even by this electric mechanic Way is that we have to look out of the window. That's why the call is so important There's no technique signaling to me that there is a train in front of the station and waiting to be left left in here So I need to get this information by other means for example by this call so I'm going to the main the The main operating desk and I know that the train wraps from the line And it's already stopped before the signal f and as a dispatcher I need to decide in which track this train should enter and I decide so I'm So I've chosen to take to cause it needs a bit more work here and for the train to enter the station because it's not my My station area in my responsibility. So One I have made this decision here So so the sign for that are these three green levers here, which are the the command levers which tell the other Signal box What should you do here? So if you look at the sign here, which is a bit hard to read But please have a look at the sheet sheet here So the lever on on the white has a combina combined field here and to the white It's like one to the life left. It's a train. It's in track two And all of it about signal after pull on this lever and turn it to the left And I've just issued a command So and I see this on the on the The direction of this level here and now I'm going to the neighboring neighboring auxiliar Box and the exterior operator or points operator Usually there's a bell here, but we switch this off and just seeing a wedge light here that that we are seeing a We have got a command here So we see a wide disc here Which which means we have received this here and this means that I have to take this This route lever route route lever here into and the corresponding signal into the corresponding direction and right now I cannot move that one. So this is mechanically blocked Mechanically prevented because my points are in the wrong direction. So I need to put them into the right direction So I'm just do this doing this here In with the candidates. I'll do this in a in a better way and a more detailed way. So at that point I can turn my route signal lever to the 45 degree position So right now it's it's I have committed me and I mean I can can't Put the put it back before the train has left. I also cannot move the these points lever and once I've turned the the this route signal lever to the 90 degree position now the the signal Went to proceed shows the pros shows proceed and now the train is allowed to enter And now I'm simulating this here and this assumes that that from this here and with a wheel signal box I would need to look out of the window and check that the train is complete so that the even the last Car has entered so I'm moving back my signal to the 45 degree position so I'm telling the other of the the The others the seabrook seabrook station Telling that the train has arrived and the that the line is free. So I'm releasing the the train block and now the The dispatcher the main dispatcher has also to check that the train has arrived is that has arrived at the platform and is right there and So he pushed the corresponding button that the train has arrived and now the this is again for me So before I tell this so right now here in this room these Two signal boxes are right next to each other and in reality they they would be in different buildings between 800 and 2000 meters at the different ends of each station and so the main one is the mine and The F and the oxyloon is the bar suit the town south here at the In this example, it's on that one at the southern southern end and the main one would be at the northern end so In reality, we wouldn't be able to run between these two So so the only way For the two of us to communicate would be looking at the signals at the at the discs here and the indicators here or Or do a call with each with each other so I'm looking here I'm pushing the the Back back block thing so the disk gets wet so the the points operator the oxylo operator knows that the train has arrived and can move back the the route lever into the Into the default position and now this this means that the the dispatcher can also move the command lever into the Into the default position Which was locked before because of my level So we are waiting of the first pair of candidates So so Could you please swing in that first two candidates? I'm looking for a different a different Train and we're just we're just seeing or just getting some subtitles here that the big blow button doesn't work right now And then we have a jitzy for the candidates So if you want to participate here as a candidate, please use this just to link down there So so communication with the with the dispatcher and they Candidates has I have a wife did they Hey, welcome. Hi Hey, so so you're the the first one so you're going to be the dispatcher Thank you Thank you And so we are waiting waiting for the points operator So let's take that one so we have a train on on platform two on track two So we are moving the train from from track eight. So the tracks are free here So we have We have dispatcher and and points operator So we have the train here So I have to ask internally because I'm only playing on this side Now You have to look on the cheat sheet which you're publicly seeing there are two cheat sheets that are almost identical for the Signal box operator and the points operator and you can see the signal a on one of the sheets and We can see the train that has arrived from B town and Because of the layout of the train station, there's only two variants And one train has been moved to track eight eight which is a Resting track So our train should arrive on track three I would say track three because it's free now So that's straight ahead So please seven One day to you All right, then I'm going to be the remote hand and you tell me which lever to operate So this is the Operator The dispatcher So One of the levers here is the right one to make this work Maybe as a reminder the red Leavers here for red levers are the track Leavers in mechanical signal box those that was separate, but now it's one lever Which makes it a lot easier Well, I just said track three, right And the train arrived on track two, which was the power right one Yeah, what we did as a demonstration that was Separate we're here in the dispatcher signal box the main signal box and our train is arriving and We must pull one of the four levers, which one is it because They're they're all free, so I can't really destroy anything. That's right. Yeah, that's the good thing about this technology A wrong operation can only make the train not work there can't be a collision because that's what it's there for Well, then I'd say The Track three Which lever I Would have to guess because I missed something earlier. Yeah, just shortly to repeat Before anything can happen the points have to be set correctly if you look at the plan You can see the default Position of the points They're all in their default position right now, but this Arrow is pointing up which means default position as you can see in the plan now if you're Arriving at if the train is arriving at We have to know whether the points has to be switched or if it's correct in its default position The default position is always straightforward We didn't have that last year in a town or Ellington. It was called Am I missing a plan So this is it is cheat sheet. Yeah, that's the cheat sheet That's a PDF file and Maybe our dispatcher is in the know then maybe we can switch positions No, I don't have the signal diagram right now. So I don't know how the check The points are set They're all default all straightforward. All right So if 2a is straightforward, I don't have much to do right well So other than But the blue lever to 30 degree which one One 2a be They're on their default zero degrees and there's only two Positions that a points lever can be in it's either straight up or straight down and they're all set correctly. Yes, they are Do I have the root lever? Brutal level labor. Yeah, we have those four levers here in red If I have four of the problem is I can't see them They're all in their default position I need a Root lever For track three so n three. Yeah on the cheat sheet you can see the four levers There's one on left one on right and two in the middle. How shall I turn them? I don't know. Is it a two? Yes 30 degrees 30 or 45 it should be 45. I think yeah, the Brutal signal lever To 30 degrees right And for track C. Oh, yes track C. I can only see a one and a two Yeah, that might be confusing I One Lever has the big one. That's the signal position Left is track C and right is track two So the The high number shows the number of signal levers So one wing If it's a one, it's in this position Which is the speed and then if you have two wings, it's a slow speed So and two is so regular that it's often left out Well, then I want to go 35 degrees 45 degrees to the left. I'll try that and It's impossible to switch it to 45 degree and 30 degree. Yes, that's possible, but I can't define the route Because I don't have approval right This is the key word that I was looking for now There's a lot of buttons up there now guess which button I have to press you can't see it in the image probably but You can see it in the cheat sheet and you must find the right abbreviation there's a lot of These chains of letters that always begin with a set just a small tip. Those are German abbreviations Germans have always been good at abbreviations, so the Approval Request is set and there's different Buttons and you must know which one Okay, so approval request a one a two So which track do we want we want to go to track three Okay, I'll have to zoom a little bit Yeah, it's a vector graphic you can zoom in as much as you want. He's already sweating I Was sweating when Drawing that it's a beautiful drawing. Thank you a two and a three Yeah, we've got three buttons and the very left one has approval request a High one low three and the other is The third one is B, so it has to be one of the three there's no other option And we want to go to track three Yeah, then let me pick the first button. Yeah push it oops So there's a ring at the points officer I'll disable the bell Yeah, remember to go to this side or you're in the way So our points operator Now sees this white signal and on the cheat sheet you can see the green labor for the approval request To track three so we have a white signal here now the points operator Is needed Dispatcher needs approval So I would Use the green lever to set the points. Yeah, exactly In reality, you know what have to look out of the window to see if the tracks are clear So let's assume that's the case Now it gets difficult We must also consider the tracks between And We have to ensure that Our train driver doesn't slide past the signal because Right now I mechanically can't call the lever Okay, and so we see that the discord white and so I can move back the approval approval lever here and and the at the dispatcher another discord white and The one the at the one at the approval reception Got white so The dispatcher got the approval from the dispatcher and so the dispatcher Is allowed to the next step here meaning he's allowed to turn the level to 45 degrees now So So the the the route has been committed. I can't move it back. So the train has moved Must move before I can move this back. So what do I do next? So the signal is still on stop So I need to Do something So we need to we need to still lock something So what do we need to lock? So the the route has been locked So what's missing? So the signal so the signal is is it's still on stop So the 45 degree means the the route has been committed and so let's try whether I can move the to 90 degrees Yeah, we can so so now the the Signal is on proceed. So this indicator here Should we tell us the green light here? It would tell us that the signal is on proceed and the other signals on wet And so the train the train operator sees this Train overseas. There's a green signal Passes the signal enters the the station and if the train has has passed then then we allowed to To basically we said everything so as a dispatcher I would watch the window I check that the train has passed completely that I've actually Watched the last coward of the train passed. So I need to I need to reset the The route so what lever do I need to avoid? So, what do I need to move back the the route lever moving back here? I can move it to 45 degrees But I can't turn it further than 45 degrees So I cannot reset the route Because of my position at the dispatcher I Cannot really see whether the train has actually arrived at the at its actual goal position here and That's what I need the the points of waiter for so so the but the But the this the point of waiter can do So So I'm again, I'm pushing the corporate corporation button again, which are buttons that that confirm of that That the train has arrived at the where lost up position and they are in in in the real place they are put at a at the place where the Dispatcher or the operator can actually see that one. So but the But in practice they can even be at at arbitrary place in the in the station so the So the where it can really be observed by the corresponding person that the train has arrived So it happened and practice happened again and again for example for ten years There was an accident in in Bremen wet relay because because the automatic Throughout we said her her information from the tracks themselves did not did not Notice the tell back in a correct way that train has arrived so the train the dispatcher always used the The substitute this substitute we said and at one point and one point it happened that the train has not actually arrived here and So and bang we had an accident at a point So it's really really important that the that that the position of the train has been Observed correctly and actually so I have we said the throughout but the but the the the the confirmation of of well trained to allow is still at the at the Points operator, so that one has so the the point operator has to do something so the So now we can actually see these these these cooperation buttons So so next time we are used them. We can actually see what's happening with these buttons here So now to the points operator So the point operator Has to move Something into the main position, but it can cannot do that right now because the disc is not wise It is not so white. So you cannot move the level into the default position so again so Again the points operator has to verify that the train has Wived at the at the the target position at the gold position and then now he has to push the The the route release a button F. H. T. F T so and there are only two of them so So not F H T so an F H T would be the substitute the substitute you wear with that So it's it's complicated. It's more complicated to use them because The using them can can create a dangerous situation there but Because with them it's possible to reset a route before the track has acted before the train has actually passed that the corresponding route here so So this if if I reset that one before the train has passed I could I could move the The the the points before the train has a well trains actually still on them so the the regular route we set by the by the Normal route while we set buttons F. H. T. Without this this wet dot That's the that's what we use in regular mood We have two of them which is with the which is the a button and the B button. What could this be? So Could tell us they they've come from signal a or signal B so I have to push to to push to the the a button here and we see that the web disk is coming up and now I can we turn the the authorization and move the the Points back to the default position as one button one thing is still missing. I Want to go into the default button so all the levers on default position, but one thing is still missing Which is so so one point is has arrived from the E valley on the E valley station So we we have to protect the train again another train Coming coming back in so so in the in the so the the line has been locked and to So so there are certain discs again for the for dispatcher on a on a box on the left-hand side with six six collage discs One extra leg and the others White white and wet and so they are so kind of block fields Which is for the communication between the difference between between the different Different signal boxes. They are what they what we call the start fields and the end fields and for single track lines we in we Additionally have permission fields there that derive which of the two stations actually allowed to send trains in there So we have still one field That's still red. Which is the end field of coming from etal from E valley station So here so it would need it would be wet But it's it's hard. It's difficult to see from With our cameras here. Sorry about that So unfortunately, we can see this with it via the webcam So I would like to push this this end field of for a on From from E from E valley. So I'm pushing that one. The field is white and that means Ita etal evale is allowed to send to send us a train So let's try to move the the camera back then So so watching watching at the the director here So So that that is here. So So so the train has arrived successfully congratulations So there's a batch if you have participated here So unfortunately, we have implemented that right now. So So, please a hand a hand the hand your handle to the to the director here and we may then make sure that we can send the batch to you Awesome, thank you Difficult thing for the first time So we did in fine basically in 15 minutes what our people are We tried to Rather people this takes three years to learn actually so well so So director or signal angel next to candidates Please All right, our next candidates are here or it's just about to arrive What can we tell you while the others are still arriving Andrea give me the signal Maybe let me tell you something about the history of the place. This kind of technology is very old It's the design is almost a hundred years old But the machines we have here have only been standardized in 1943 But the predecessors are very similar or not discernible from these machines And after the war a lot of them were built until relay single boxes were invented But we still have some of those signal boxes, especially in use with the so-called S-Bahn which is an AF city speed train service We have one in Blankenese in Berlin and in Hamburg for example That's from 1925 and it's been It's been updated recently Because a an elevator was added to the Platform and the speed with which the trains arrive had to be changed The Machine in Wolkenbitte is also not very old. So It's been one of those old machines for a long time. So welcome. Who do we have? Hi, my name is Donna river and my name is aqua lady. Hi. Nice to see you Who wants to be the dispatcher and who wants to be the points operator? Do you have a passing? No, not really I'll probably fail, but I'll be the dispatcher. All right, cool Then let's have a train arrive from sea town or what do you propose? Well, I read dispatcher is a bit nervous. So let's do two things Let's have The train and check three depart That's not there's not much to do there, but then Let's have a Try and arrive from a linkedin that sounds very good Okay, so let's have the train arrive from our door Ellington first, so let's get right into it You're lucky Because Andreas Just told us something Here on the right you have the approval field and the train attract to Ellington is a one is a single check. So only one Signal box can have a train arrive at the same time. So We don't have that in the town, but we have it in a town So a town can just send us the train and this is what they're doing right now And we hear a rattling sound and you can't see it But we have received a signal here that there's a train on the track and is due to arrive shortly So we know that it'll soon be in front of the signal be And now you have to decide on which track this Train should arrive and tip. There's only one track. That's possible Yeah, I have a proposal We have an empty Signal box here But we can open the front of the block machine So we can see the whole lay out better So let's just have the train arrive Now if you look here, you should be able to see which track We have to use You know, you know, it's the track to write. Yes, correct. That's the only track We have approval for But can it also go on track one? Yeah, theoretically. Yes, but it's not approved by Signal box When this station was designed This was not intended and this is typical for the German trains During planning it was said we don't need that. Let's be efficient and leave it out So there's three Steps One is default operation. The second is Deviation from default And if you deviate from the default you have to do a lot of paperwork and people don't want that But theoretically it would be possible We have metal parts up here that we're not really using at the moment For example, you can secure the machine against certain operations You can Know it's indicating that certain checks are going on All right, so the train is going to track two What do I have to do now? well first the Browse signal labor has to be set that would be the second from the left correct and You have to turn it to the left alright So as before I can turn it a little bit, but I can't turn it completely something is missing All right, something's missing. I have to see It's the same that was missing previously. Yeah, I didn't hear that because I was in the waiting room discussing So from the operational perspective In one part of the station right now and what is going on in the other station. Yeah, I have to notify them I have to notify them that it's okay for the train to arrive on that track All right, there was something about the buttons, right? Yeah, exactly The approval request Yeah, there's only one button we can use it's the very right one. Yeah Exactly the approval request for it be And now it's the points operators turn Alright Yeah, and just so you can only see one camera the stream is lagging a little bit but It should be be one from Ellington So it should be the second green lever from the left and turn it to the left So, let's see. Let's look out of the window. There's nothing so let's do it Cool, so it's turned white And now if you look You can see that there's a white signal for the approval for B So I've got the approval and now I'm able to turn the lever The light is going off because I deep behind the route And so I don't need the approval anymore So it's been decided that the train will arrive on that track and White disc here This is this confirms the approval Okay, so if you turn it further Yeah, you can see here the indication for signal a it's it's turned green and Andreas is now playing the train operator and will let our train arrive so Not a lot has happened Here you can see something white that was black or blue before And I'll tell you in a moment what this does, but the train has arrived and now we have the moment Where the cooperation buttons come in This should be somewhere on the platform where you can clearly see where the train is and where it belongs And if I push this button B It's not in jitzy nothing's happening Nothing's happening No, because something's happening something's missing from the dispatcher. Oh, that's me So what's missing? What could possibly be missing? Which position is the signal in at the moment Oh, this signal is still green. So I have to Set that back To read. Yeah, right To stop and if I now push the button Does it work for the points operator Now this field is red again and From my side everything's done the path is clear So and at the point operator they We are we have the bell and this well, what does it mean? Well, I need to move back the the green lever But I can't do that. What does it mean? It means that we there's something we still need to do and We need to check that the train has arrived at the regular stop stop position so Let me check the Let me check check that one here of the the cheat sheet here in this diagram So, oh my god, so many different buttons here Okay, so Do we have here so I need to Need to tell back that we need to So I mean we want to want to reset the we set the route Means I need to block the the get the block field But that one is only at the other the the dispatcher So that's not working here. We only have them for coming from seabrook. So this means I Need to tell I need to enter that the train has arrived which Do you have to reset around? The keys are on the other side, let me check let me check There are some which are yellow So So while we set button I will need to push the one So we had the the the route be so we need to push the button The the we set button be and now the the field got word Meaning I can finally move the approval lever to the default position And we know at the point where the dispatcher Talks with the with the dispatcher in sea in seabrook, which then confirms that they They they will accept that that train so So there's a there's a there's a sort of protocol here between the dispatcher of seabrook and and our town here That the the seabrook so that That our town that D town That that D town offers a train to to seabrook seabrook then returns that they accept this train and Well, the whole procedure that the the train can actually leave the station here So as a dispatcher there is much for you to do here, but what you need to do is Tell the the point of a waiter which route to set So the the the point of wait is not allowed to make this decision by themselves and the the signal box The signal box prevents us from happening. So what I need to do I need to move one of the the green command levers the left most here I guess So we have three command levers here and one of them is the white one So I'm currently on platform on track two So the left most of that is to seabrook and this one I need to turn 30 degrees to Wait Yeah, so the train is leaving from from C Well, actually, we still have it. We still have a train on place C So the train on place on track three is leaving now. So I'm turning this lever to to the left and And now we are so there's some some old tech so So takes takes a bit We we've given the command and so hopefully the point operator now also do so we have a white disk here at the At the the left most other first mode from left from the first most on the left wet lever, but the left disk is white Meaning I want to go from to track three to see where so So the level is there if I would try to move this to the left. This probably would not work. I Can confirm that it cannot move that something's missing there It it's stuck at the zero zero degree position So it's so small at the at that one So if I want to go from three to see this means that point 12 And gfx is a is a derailleur so I need need point 12 Going AC This which means this means That 12ab is is in default position So So so this This this In germ translation the move moving part of a point is is is called tongue So we have a single well, we have a Single double point here So and we have a single double points and double double points in German and this one is a single one Which can only do two different directions and our case that a and b are our Are combined and the c and d are combined Which is to which you typically see with with the model trains as well but with the real trains in most cases it's Well, leaving aside the Switzerland, of course in Germany this Means that the the this double double points are either all go to left or to right So right now we would be in the default position here So this one is setting it set in the straight to towards the derailleur And so because behind the behind the derailleur the behind the derailleur This is not accessible So this So this means we need to go around that one Meaning I need to go to a point 13 So I mean I need to move up the point 13 for the 90 degree position And now what do I need to do here? This means 12 a b This is right, yeah So then I would be able to move that into that one and this is correct, right? So we have unfortunately don't have a camera to the the light table here and now this means that the That the all the points are correct from for the for a route from track 3 to the to the Opposite of the opposite track towards seabed here So the left of the all the the left of the left hand side track or the old term wrong track actually so So the question is are we allowed to go well it turns out that the dispatcher has actually commanded us to do to do this and actually she has called with Seaburg that everything is fine and that everything is blocked and that this was free So this means that the wet lever that should able to to move the wet lever to the left and So we are at 45 degrees. So this this got quite So I cannot move that that one back. So the all the points are locked and right turn further it It's it we see that the the signal has moved off on to proceed So actually we don't have any any specific lights light for the for the signal themselves, but what we have here is are the Some additional locks which would be the the station repetition lock and the line repetition lock I haven't explained them yet here but So, let me just have the train leave the station here Which one are you taking so it will be Making sure that only the right The right train will leave the station and I'm not getting in trouble with the with the accident the excellent commission here so Train has left and all points are free now. So We would we would be able to move the signal back to back to stop here so I checked that the Train is I can stop So should I turn any further? Well, let's try but if I'm afraid that's all right. It works. Ah So it works so we can clean up everything. So moving all points back to their default position And now we still have these two red lights here. So So we just the the station repetition lock and the the line what what what's the purpose? so Before I told that the the line lock is trying to make sure that Making sure that two of trains following each other cannot cannot Cannot well no train can directly follow another train here and provide with that one. So So I can only set a signal to proceed once So which means that by now since the train has one train has already passed I if I set the next route I can set this set the route commit to this route, but I cannot move the I cannot move the lever to the position that set the signal to proceed again because they're they're still still a train on on the track so Yes, so the Well, so the this is this memory here tells us the there's still another train in that one And I cannot set this back. So what I need to do I need to push the button turn turn the crank here That one here. So So coming to the crank here the director turns the crank here and so the So this field here the start field and so the line with particular the wind opposition lock Goed went back to the default position so But we still the the the line block is is still It's the line block is still active. So this field is feels much wet here. So the the Station the station repetition lock is only making sure that that I can only Have one plane leave on the command of the dispatcher not twice So I still need so in this case the dispatcher needs to do something You know So in the meanwhile time, I'm going to go over to the seabed station and making sure that the train has arrived So there's one thing you haven't done for the for the train departing. There's one thing missing here So for departure Well, let me check. I have moved the Move the the command lever And I still have to reset that one I have to set this to the default position here moving that to the default position and that's it One one thing I forgot to to mention before we looked into the box here When we when the train arrived from Adolf, there's one thing we forgot. I briefly mentioned that before it arrived But there's one thing we should have done So the the the the one is still blocked. That's still something we have to do here, but The train is still locked here. So the end the end field is still wet the one coming from Adolf, which means I Need to on the left hand on the left box. I can't really see this right now. It's hard to see here No, it's The Here yeah, now we have the right camera so on from this five ones Right are from it to idle a tone Ellington and so we have the B1 and field. I'm pushing this button and turning the crank here So we generate some power here So the electric signal is going back to Ellington and the field is now white in a in a And other corresponding field in Adolf itself. They are fear got white as well And so this this line is free now And so almost everything in default position what the train has not arrived, but Honey, can you please go to switch to DS? I So we would block back from see town you can See the middle field which is red and which if we now block back from C town we can see a switch All right Now you can maybe see it better You probably can't see it as well on the screen That's a beautiful work of Electromechanics and this design is still used Even though it's from the 19th century around The 1870s 1880s Absolutely fascinated By the fact that they were able to produce this in mass production and still precise to the millimeter There's nothing you can Adjust here or repair there either they work perfectly or they're broken And there's no over adjusting and this contributes to security I don't know if you can see my stream right now, but I have an old phone here that's operated with a crank and I think it's the same principle here But it doesn't it doesn't it doesn't bring us loudly. Yeah, it really looks like it. They're compatible We've tried it and it works really nice Cool. Thank you for the experience Thank you very much. So which camera should I look at now? Remember to leave your email address so you can have the batch Thank you Last year I was also a part of the mechanical Signal box and this was very nice to see as well. Thank you very much Then we're looking forward to the next candidates. Let's have a look at the time So Let's do some see town trains again now there's no sign There seems to be a technical issue with the sound We'll be back when we talk Well then Maybe we'll continue with one candidate Still some sound issues. All right, like it looks like we have two candidates So then we need a dispatcher and I would postpone the points operator to the next round and I would have a try and arrive from Be I think Okay, that's right So We have a train position that track to you and we wanted to drive to Beham to the left so dispatcher, please tell me what should I do? All the points are in their default second setting And the track in it is in its default setting Where's the train located at that track to? At the P2 Linden signal And it's in the direction of Point six so we have to set points three. Yeah done Then Points to a if I'm seeing it correctly. Yep done And I think To be also And points one Maybe you can hear a sound now when I move this It's looking good Then please turn the Browse Libre to P2 to the left Yep, I'm able to put it to 45 degrees Should I turn it further? Yeah, but that won't work because we need approval No, we only need approval from the points operator Shouldn't we have to announce the train to Ellington Let's try that. Yep, it works Now I have to do the image I'll go to the train operators desk, which you can't see Now the train has left the station Looking out of the window, I'm able to confirm that all the points are clear We can't clear the route right now correct I'll try See it's turning red Can you put it back to zero degrees? Yeah, that's possible Then please reset all the points All right Now there's a light that's still on There's a block B4 to E That's now illuminated. It was dark before It's got something to do with the exit signals Is there something we have to do? Yeah, have a look at the Diagram First feel on the line repetition lock This is the key lock. It used to be blue now. It's white This is to prevent the field from being blocked Yeah Now we have to wait for the train train to arrive in E-town So E-town has to do a few more adjustments Now I'll cheat all the true train nerds, please look away This is not possible in real signal boxes and for good reason So That was right perfect, thank you Please remember to leave us your email address To leave it to the signal angel So you can receive your badge And then we need a new dispatcher and points operator We still have points operator waiting So Stefan are you back again? Stefan So for those listening here, we have two directors here, so we have the director right in the room here Behind the lever box of Seaburg with not very much space there with lots of lots of tech Here and then there is the director at the Keio studio in Hamburg Who are who are responsible for sending this via the whole video stream via walk here So we need a train Hmm, so So we have a new dispatcher super soon Stefan any ideas So can we make can we make this more difficult having two trains arriving from different directions? so then let me prepare this and Sending one train from from E valley No from Seaburg as well, so Could you in in valley can in E valley can you Can you send a train from from E valley and we move the train from the the the the the opposite Opposite track, please So we don't have any any sound from Stefan coming in here No, I can't hear you So silent and confused One two, ah now now I can hear you hey Okay, mute and unmute works. So should we should we swap again? Okay Make use this video. So do we have a do we have candidates? Check So I don't know whether I'm going to be dispatcher or point operator or should I remain point operator so you can choose So then I'd like to be I like to serve as a dispatcher here. So so the higher-ranked job here So So the number of bars on your shoulders is important. So I don't really know Is anyone else here? Serving a point operator. So let me ask the director. Do we have a second candidate for points operator? Let me let me open the cheat sheet for for the special. Yeah, that's a good idea I guess So let me turn on the the heater Okay, so the this old cards are not very well isolated So we need to to put a lot of heat into into these cards using a lot of electrical power here So director do we have a second candidate? If not, we leave the ah here we are Okay, so it's nice to have it have a second candidate here So we can we can start on the points operator. We can start at the points operator side So we have two trains here and they are from your side. There's a train approaching from see work And from E valley We have another one here. So Listening to you. Hi So, what's your name? So you're you're going to be a point operator if you like So So the the dispatcher is allowed to decide which train I should should arrive at which Track here. So the situation is we have two two trains approaching one train approaching from Italy and At the dispatcher, it's it's standing in front of signal a and we have another one coming from see work And it's at the points of operator standing in front of the The Signal f and all a station all tracks of the station are free so I'd say let's Let's enter enter the the train coming from E valley to From it all to So from see work and from E valley So from see work to to track one and then from E valley to track two So tell me which which which level so I need to move So all points are in default position, right? Yeah, which means that we know need to Do So we need need the the the double point we need to move to the to the Divergent direction, so we need to move to a and to be To to to move in the 90 degree position To a and to be Because that one is the second half of the point a double point what yes It's double one. So these are basically two points within one and a decides whether go from the the arrival track towards to or towards three and be decides on whether From two or three coming to go to the to the Leaving or the the arrival train So this would happen automatically. So you need to decide in which one the the one is there So in the right now, it's in the straight So coming from two or three then you would go into Into the entering the one which means that If a train coming from the the arrival track needs to go straight to the for that one the one that's coming from the and one would go to the Which which basically is coming from the one wrong side of the other point and destroy it So we don't meaning we don't need to change that one here So so this means that we still means that we have to change points three so moving this to the 90 degree position and So it can can go to a two-two. So the point six can remain in the current position and then we need to So the the route from a to To to we need to move to the 45 degree to the right and let me check But it doesn't really it doesn't really work. I can't go to the 45. The good one is that the mechanical lock here Let me move that one. So all points are moving in the right correct position but I still need to get the the approval from They need to get the approval which means that This one's the This was the one with the button with the with the approval request button or with the with the level You almost said this so what do we need? We need what we need to we need to get the approval So so the button would be the approval request button set a nft a to a to white because Attract to I'm pushing this and at the point operator Think of next steps here. So at the point operator So the the bell rang and the white disk over the left approval lever Left lever the lever, but why did it there? Approval request from from a to black track three and the bell. So this means That I need I need to check whether the track is free. I look out of the window and then What's the what's the? The security way does it And so the this this this keep keep free area means that that I do not take this the The this point 10 into account For safety, so I don't have to lock that one So this means that I can turn the approval lever To the right and it works Perfect. So we have submitted the the approval and and at the so at the Dispatcher we see that here at this field for for for a route from From it all to to to a to we have we see the approval to come from it all to to track to Which I wasn't able to do this before and now I can move this to 45 degree and yes, I can do that So the the large disk came Got white so the route has been committed to I cannot move the lever back and all Points are locked. So I can move this to the 90 degree position So and we see that the signal a Went to proceed here So we have rival so should we all should so let should we do a parallel parallel arrival here So this patcher this patcher is in a hurry So while that one is is happening here. We now set the rival from see work But I tell something wrong so the So, ah, okay So but this this So so some security so as so if a train arrives at the At the signal and three it means that in our case here the point 10 needs to be locked in the straight And in that one Okay in this one it is not necessarily but It still means that for for arrival at signal and three the the Point 10 need needs to be kept free for safe safety reasons So we have an arrival from seabourg So but so the So that this but this means that Because of the overlap overlap But this approach this means we cannot arrive at platform one But only at platform four so this this means Means because of that because the the overlap overlap route is Still locked mean we cannot even give the command for having the the train arrive in And that from one from a seat on But we can we can but so we can't go to we can't have it in go to number one But we decided that it will arrive in a track four instead because there is no overlap no overlap here No no conflict a conflict between the overlap overlap part and the entry route here So So So well in practice we wouldn't even even been able to to have the Once the train isn't track one, we wouldn't be able to send it to a to eat a E valley anyway This doesn't work in our one, but what we can but let's bring this to for again. So what do we need to do? So we need to turn the middle Command lever to the right Let's try this and happens and the bell rings at the point operator at this this one here got white With the middle one and the left the left This got white here from C is town to see work to to platform for All right, all the points are set correctly So I only need to look out of the window if everything's going correctly And then we can turn the Route lever To the left the second lever So you always need to Make sure that everything's correct then do the setting and then make sure again So let's do that in parallel Andreas is going to the Chain operator control bench Chain photographers are happy right now Both trains are at their normal So Both trains have stopped at their normal stop points. So now either the Dispatcher or the points operator now has to tell us which levers to operate the Train on track four could continue on to E valley. Yeah, it could Then We would have to set back the Browdy very to its default position to the left. Yeah, let's see It's possible to turn it to 45 degrees but not turn it back completely So we need approval Yes, somebody has to help us but the Points operator can't know that Because But the point operator can also do something Yeah, they can also Set their signal Put S1 back to 45 degree So it looks like this now and it stays like that. I can't move it further Now We have to go to the platform to see if the train is in the correct position Yeah, you have to That train has arrived at the station The left button is for signal F, which is the arrival signal And the disk has lowered here to read this means that the route is clear And now let's turn it back This worked Now the end field See work So put it down And on the dispatcher side, there's also something Here the Route is clear. So we should be able to turn it back Yes, we can give back the order. I've also done that And then now there's a bell ringing at the points operator Why is it ringing? It's the lever bench So we have to return the command, right? A to track B Back to its default position not the command, but yeah the approval The approval request. No, that's not possible That's still white so we can't turn it So the points operator has to become active in order to clear the route A button must be pushed If you have a An alert Okay, now we have red signal and we can turn it back The approval lever Now let's just cuffs in so far further in the Breakout room Just shortly a train has arrived from E valley, but the Check is still Occupied so we have to do something we need to give approval and Confirm that the route is clear And set back the points, but Where are we on the Route diagram yet the train was arriving from E valley. So which one could it be? From E valley. This should be the very left one. Yes Very good The block has been reset the route is clear So now we need to say goodbye I'll be in the Jetsy room for you to Leave your contact details so I can give you your batch We want to thank you very much. I hope you had fun and If you go to the jitsie with the