The Economic and Financial Crimes Commission, EFCC, arrested former Emo State Governor, Rochester, and allegedly have refused to question him 24 hours later. And former governor of Anambara State, Pete Albee, has dumped the People's Democratic Party PDP and his presidential ambition. Well, this is plus politics. I'm Mary Anacoll. Operatives of the Economic and Financial Crimes Commission, EFCC, have arrested Rochester's former Emo State Governor. The senator representing Emo West had earlier declined to be taken away by operatives, insisting that he will not submit himself to the anti-graft agency without a warrant. But security operatives broke the entrance doors to get into the home of the former governor. In a statement, Wilson Uwujaren, EFCC's spokesperson, said they had orders to bring the former governor to stand trial before a federal high court in Ibuga. Acoracha's family has now accused EFCC of failing to interrogate him 24 hours after his arrest. His daughter, Ulauma Acoracha, also confirmed that her father's arrest and detention might be part of plots to stop him from participating in the APC presidential screening and primaries. Well, joining us to discuss this is Delay Farotemi. He's a political analyst. Thank you so much, Mr. Farotemi, for joining us. Thank you very much for having me. Oh, it was a pleasure.  We saw the live footage from the sitting room of the senator and we also saw what was happening outside thanks to press men. I just want to get a feel of what you think actually transpired and why it had to take that turn as opposed to him being invited to the EFCC on a normal day. Well, I guess when you, when you move away from the theater and you look to the substance, you'll find very quickly that what you're just saying, Okuru Char is not playing this, the game according to the script is being handed. It's a simple enough thing. Number one, the man is not just being arrested. He'd been arrested before, he'd been charged before a court. He was enjoying an administrative bill according to the EFCC. His next court appearance would appear to be on the 30th of May. He had absconded, no, he had declined to appear before the court at his last sitting. I think that was a match. So, ordinarily, if the EFCC was interested in ensuring his appearance before the court, the administrative bill that he had enjoyed would be revoked. We don't know yet if that is what had been done, but it would appear to be the reasonable assumption to make. If the administrative bill has been revoked, the EFCC had not arrested him this time around in order to be interrogating him. They've moved beyond the point of interrogation. The man has been charged. He's been charged for I think money laundering to the tune of 2.9 billion or something along those lines. So, if they are now arresting him in the manner that we all watched, which is not new, if the truth be told, you'll find dozens of videos online where the same EFCC had deployed similar tactics against people they've labeled YAHU boys. They'll go to hotels, burst into hotels, arrest everybody in the hotel and then begin a process of screening to ensure who the YAHU person is and who isn't. So, if a YAHU senator is sorry to say, because that's what it would appear to be now, is now being peaked by the same agency, well, I would say to you that he probably just didn't have the script the way he's been instructed. Because, ordinarily, I really don't know what he has done. There is difference from what all of them have done and this time around, picking him up at the time in the circumstances, deploying so much force. He doesn't say a lot that is positive about the EFCC, but he also doesn't in any way accelerate roachers himself, because if the truth be told, the EFCC made a case. He had a bill, he'd been flouting the terms, he refused to appear in court, they are within their right to arrest him. He's the manner of the arrest that we might deprecate. I'm quoting the spokesman for the former governor and senator. He did say something about the fact that there was a high court order from Pothakots that had barred the EFCC from prosecuting this case. In fact, he was on another station showing or handing out a copy of that court judgment. In fact, he also alleged that the EFCC had been slammed a 500 million Naira fine that had not been paid and that EFCC had also not gone to court to vacate that order. And so that the EFCC is also, one way or the other, you know, in bridge of the court. There's nothing new there. In the first place, I've said this agnostic. Nigeria is not governed by laws. So when you have a situation where a senator, a former two-time governor, takes off to a court in Pothakots, he gets himself a court order in Pothakots, stopping the EFCC from doing what it is doing. EFCC also will tell you that under the administration of justice, criminal justice laws, they are entitled to do their job without hindrance by way of any court order. There would have multiple levels.  It's only about the administration of impunity. Okorocha will play the script by the time he comes out of EFCC, confinement, he'll probably withdraw his candidacy like a good boy. And he would, of course, like every other woman, once they recant, we've heard it from Adam Oshio Molle, join us and you are immune. He's one of the foundation members of EFCC. So can anyone expect that anything will happen to him? All that you're seeing is that in the moment, he is required to act in a manner that is inconsistent with his own choices. And when he finally understands that he has to play according to the script, they'll put him on the back, he'll go back to the chambers of the Senate. That was the Senate of the February Republic. They will go back to the Senate again and make laws for the lesser mortars. And EFCC will promptly go back to chasing the Yahoo boys and filtering people through their processes. But at the end of the day, this is not about the Nigerian people. It has nothing to do with an anti-corruption war, nothing of the sort. It's impressive, right? It's not that that can't be the case. It's the father to me, you're insinuating. It's the father to me to put everything the EFCC is doing. So it's a waste of time. It's just another circus of anti-corruption. I'm sorry. Are you insinuating that this is politically motivated as opposed to the fight against corruption? Of course it is. I'm asking because there are people who are on the side of the EFCC saying that, look, he mismanaged funds when he was governor. He's not necessarily so. So why would this be politically motivated? I mean, like you have also said, he's a member of the All Progressive Congress. If he were to be a sacred cow, would he be dragged as he was dragged to the glare of the whole public? Let me repeat what I said to you earlier. Nigeria is not interested in fighting corruption. If we were interested in fighting corruption, certain key members of the Bwari administration or regime would not decide in that place. They were already on their neck. They had corruption charges hanging around their necks before they became part and parcel of that cabinet. Okorocha is a very good company. It's not different from any one of the remaining lots, whether they be in the cellar or they be in the federal cabinet. So it's not as if there is anything extra. In fact, there is one that was convicted that joined some sort of reprieve that is that as a chief whip of beside it. So let's get something clear that Okorocha's store is nothing new. That actually gives him the bonafide to be a member of the Nigeria ruining class. There is nothing new there. I'm not condoning it, but I'm pointing it out to you. So if they're chasing after Okorocha, you need to look beyond an anti-corruption fight because it's obviously not about anti-corruption. Corruption is not, Bwari is very comfortable with corruption. If you recall, just before the primary process started, he even went as far as to instruct the FCC not to get involved with the process. So you would understand that if they are now moving beyond that, it's not because Okorocha's is corrupt. All of them are the same. So there must be a reason for going after Okorocha at this time. I'm not validating anything. I don't know, but nobody is going to convince me that this is about is also somebody telling you that the allegations against the accountant general of the federation is motivated by an anti-corruption. But of course it's not. They must have their own fighting that is going on. And they are going to be casualties in their game of thrones. But let nobody be fooled into thinking that there is an anti-corruption battle going on. Anything but, please, is an infight amongst them. They know why they're having their intra-class battles. But it will not result in anything that would affect the poor man on the street. It will not move the need doing them in any anti-corruption war because there is none. The problem of Nigeria is not corruption. It's impunity. And Okorocha knows that. He also knows that the levels of impunity will be shifted in his favor once the balance is restored in their coven. So we can discuss this and be having our episodic gyrations. Talk about it, enjoy the talk, but it changes nothing. Okorocha is merely paying for not doing what is meant to do in the coven. When they are done punishing him within the coven, me and you will not be caught. You won't know anything about it. It will end there. Noise. End of story. After all the drama with Dino Melae. What happened to him? Nothing. Nothing. Fire shape? Nothing. Name one that they have prosecuted in seven years. Nothing. Nothing will happen to him. We can enjoy talking about this in another year. I'm telling you straight up, unless the system changes to hold it. Even the people chasing Orochas needs to be chased. So it is not a situation that should excite us as citizens quote and unquote. Because it really doesn't affect us. It's their own aim fighting. This is yet another one of their wars.  It's their war. It's not about us. I'm curious. When you say that there are reasons and those reasons are personal to the people in your words, the coven. What sort of a threat would Orocha be? In the scheme of things, let's look at it from the presidential ticket angle. In terms of weight and who would be able to appeal across the board, does he even fall between the first five? I'm just curious. So much so that I'm trying to understand your narrative. If it were something I would buy into, how heavy is Orocha in the scheme of things? If it be anything to go by, what you're saying, that it's because it's not plain to the scripts that I'm wondering, what script? Let me explain something to you. I hate to sound like a conspiracy theorist and I'm not one. But when something does not huddle, when you reason normally, then you're forced to begin to look at those things that might not appear to be the same because the situation is simply not the same. Now, you said of what significance really is Orocha in the scheme of things. You say that because you assume that they are all playing for the presidency. Emo state is in a state of flux. There has been an ongoing battle between Orocha and the government of Emo state. There's been that ongoing battle for a while. You've got people kidnapped in churches. You now have a situation where the man is saying, look, for good or for bad, I have purchased a hundred million Naira tickets for the presidency. I want to be screened. And if you are arresting me at this time, I am not going to be able to attend the screening. Those ensuring that I cannot even qualify to proceed further. Now, if a man has a court appearance for the 30th of the month has been absconding consistently since he was first charged in January, last appearance was in March. They say it's been Rod Dodging and running away from being served. Question is, this is not a civil trial. You don't run away from being served. You already charged the person to cause. The important thing is to revoke the belief he is not showing up. The timing of the arrest, the severity of the first deployed, that is of course not to discount the fact that the man also acted like a truant by not submitting himself once he saw them. He cannot talk about an arrest warrant at that point. So I'm not suggesting that the court has been treated any different from any of the persons that the FCC has deployed its forces against. But I am saying that considering the timing, considering also that this is an administration that has shown itself to be very, very comfortable with corruption, this man is not different from any one of the other members of the Coven. There is nothing about, he's not more corrupt than the other members of that Coven. But in this case, he is trying to become the president in the Coven. Let this sink in for a second. I'm saying to you that a two-time governor of Amos State, a sitting senator of the Republic, was called out of his home like any common criminal or even a fellow citizen who has not done anything other than being suspected of having done something, something, something, something has been established. He is treated like that. Now, is that the usual way they treat themselves? That kind of treatment is reserved for commoners like me and you. When you see that kind of treatment deployed, you now have to start asking yourself, what is different this time around? Roachers and other members of the Coven are more comfortable and they will know exactly what they have bought from each other. But I'm simply saying, if corruption was the basis for the arrest of Roachers or Roachers, the Nigerian Senate should be emptied of senators. They shouldn't be able to have Quran in that place or in the federal cabinet for that matter. So I'm simply saying that look beyond the noise is the election season. The man was, if it was about buying votes and the buy delegate, the man could only well have emerged as a presidential candidate if he had enough money to deploy. So and that may be the thing the 2.9 billion has been kept to be deployed at the election ground. For whatever reason, I think we should pay attention. Yes, he has a criminal charge in front of him, but this could have been managed differently. He left it open to the suspicion that they are politically on that one. What they have done in their Coven is not my business. I don't know, but that is their parents that it has given. Okay, let's talk about because you've raised a lot of very interesting points. I've listened to conversations about this on the radio. I've watched other people talk about it. It calls to question the seriousness about the war against corruption, whether it be now, whether it be before, even in the future. Again, what does this say about our crime fighting institutions, especially the EFCC, the ICPC, have they ever worked because it calls to question all of the people who have ever been taken in by the EFCC. And with the drama that we saw a few days ago, it calls to question all of those things. And then it's this is a three pound question. What about the trust of the average Nigerian in leadership in general, whether it be on the state level at the state level or the federal level in fighting whatever it may be, whether it be corruption. And of course, those who are looting from the nation's coffers. Let me, you've asked a lot of questions, let's unpack them one by one. One, it will be delusional for anyone to suggest that there is an anti-corruption war going on in Nigeria today or at any time in the last 20 years or thereabout. There hasn't been one. There has never been one. What you've seen have been episodic appearances of that carnivore, that circles of anti-corruption that is designed to distract the people and to then give them the impression that something is being done. Meanwhile, the real problem has never been corruption. The real problem has always been impunity. The refusal to ensure that they are due punishment for crime, not even arrest in most cases. So let's forget those lies and the charity. Seven years who has been convicted, aside from the poor, Yahoo Boy or the one who is always been the petty criminals. The FCC, in all fairness, let's be truthful to ourselves. That's the institution. There are good men and women there. They will do well if they are, if they were in a society that is allowed to function the way one should function, most of them have had the occasion to speak with a few. They have a lot of regrets about the way their works are usually scattered by their political lot. But it does not change the fact that the body is redundant because the political will to allow it to do its job is simply not there. The Nigerian political class cannot afford to fight corruption because itself is rooted. You just need to look at the entirety of the current, the ongoing political circles of primaries and all of them. That's sufficient to let you know. Let's keep that to one side. You talk about the erosion of public trust. Nigerians have given up on this country. Let's be sincere with ourselves. We are all hoping that something change, that something will happen to catastalize some change. But the truth of the matter is that no Nigerian that I know of is waiting to see something happen in the area of anti-corruption because we've all come to realize that there is no such thing is not going to happen. Those who should be doing it are the most corrupt and they have no interest in doing anything about it. So the public trust in the capacity of the system for self-correction or for anything resembling, the remotely resembling anti-corruption drives, the people don't expect it. We've all become completely cynical because we can see, repeatedly, our hopes have been that Wari came on the wing of change. He was promising the biggest credential of dinner. Wari was anti-corruption and his capacity to fight insecurity on both counts, negative zero. So the capacity is gone. The people themselves have lost hope. So if you are still talking about public trust, forget about it, it's gone. We already know that we are being ruled by a coterie of thieves. We sometimes hope that maybe one PTOs and be a little nicer and less banal. But the reality is that nothing has changed if anything has grown worse. In fact, the truth is it has grown worse under the APC. We've never seen corruption this brazen. Jonathan, sorry please, one final point. Jonathan never appointed a person who had EFCC charges on his neck into his cabinet. And that was the person who said was the most corrupt at that time. But today, how many ministers in that cabinet have EFCC charges on their neck? How hard, I should say. But that's the honest story for another day. Like you mentioned earlier, and we're in the election season, with everybody's campaigning, people are putting out adverts and speaking nicely and rolling out the best of vocabularies, asking for our votes once again. But all that you have said, again, not to sound like I do not believe or I mean, or I'm skeptical, but there are people who also believe that the EFCC is working, is trying its best. But if we are to go forward as a country, should this be a wake up call to us? And do you think that we've gotten to the point where we are certain, we are resolute that we will not vote in yet another person who we will be crying about in the next four years? Or I think the other way to ask it is when will we be able to wake up to our responsibilities as voters and understand that we can't have it business as usual? Look, the Nigerian is a long way off from beginning the journey to rectitude. In the last, I believe in the last couple of weeks, I have had several opportunities to be despondent about the challenges of our country. And this is because an electoral cycle is upon us, probably the most important election if one will hold in my lifetime. But the average Nigerian is so disconnected from the system that I am afraid that we might not be able to do the needful. But I will still hold on to some shred of optimism. Let's continue to watch what the process will throw out. Perhaps there might come a candidate who might come with a message of hope and a message of change. But the current set are just grave diggers. I don't see anything to provoke hope currently. But you don't know what tomorrow might bring. And we live in hope. Perhaps somebody will come with a message, with a vision that might galvanize the Nigerian people who are today. All I'm hearing are people preaching personal changes, none of which will save us. What you are saying, underbawaring with the EFCC, with the Okorotas episode, pull it back a little and you remember that you saw something similar with fire shape, crying over his neck, wearing the braids upside down. You saw it, we did not, jumping out of moving bus. You saw it with Tim Pre. You saw it with Alame. It's a long history. When we have a transformational leader who has vision behind which to unite the people, we might come out of this mess. But our chances are dwindling by day because personal changes will save us. I mean, at times like these people make mention of the fact that we have a national orientation agency that's half past dead. Political parties are only canvassing for votes that will help them win the position. Maybe a few people like you who are interested in educating the average voter, I see that people like you are having those conversations, but at what capacity? Because, again, one person can do just this much. Do we need more of these conversations to be had, not just on the radio, not on TV, but where more and more people can be educated as to their rights, as to how they can participate. Because we keep asking for strong institutions to be built, but where do we start the building process? No Voltron is going to save Nigeria. There is no Voltron anywhere. There is no Superman.  He has to be the one to stand up and save himself. Looking to the political class is a waste of time. However, leadership is key in every situation. So yes, we will continue to agitate in our own little space and with as many platforms as are available to us to reach the people to educate them. But that's the best we can do. We can only seek to educate, hoping that the people themselves will come to the knowledge of the fact that selling their conscience, selling their votes, detaching from the process, or finding alternative means of engagement with the system, which only exacerbates our situation, would not serve the purpose. We all need to find the engagement with the process. There are many beautiful young men and women working all over the country. I know a few. They speak in the area of voters' education, mobilization of voters, citizens to go and register to vote. But how is INEC helping that process? Look to the ongoing primaries and the parties. You see that even the political parties, they are clearly not designed as agents of change. They are just platforms for the capture of power. So it still needs to change. It might be that we're still with enough time to do something, or it might very well be that the change is already out of our own act. But what is clear is that looking to individuals for anything beyond total leadership and direction pointing is a waste of time. It has to be the people acting in concert before anything can change. Individuals can only be inspired by their own examples. But that's all they are in the big loss. The people themselves have to get to the point. It becomes quite frustrating when you seek to explain things to... I think that we lost that connection. Can you hear me? I think we lost that connection. But Daily Fire to Me is a political analyst. Yeah, we lost you briefly. Well, because time is not on our side, I want to say thank you very much for being part of the conversation. We'll only hope that things can get better. Daily Fire to Me is a political analyst and he has been talking to us. We'll take a break now. When we come back, we will be discussing the resignation of Pete Albee from the People's Democratic Party. Stay with us.


Moving on to the next, we are going to go back to the stage 3. My gentleman, Mr. Puneet Anand, General Manager and Group Head Marketing, Vita, I voted in the last minute. Mr. Adho Srivastava, CEO of Action Media Group, and Mr. Abhosh Varma, you are part of the Bollywood International perspective. What the jury found was that donor caps took a very simple concept, but they made it and took it to a different level because of contextual placements. The very fact that they were able to put their signatures in places which are associated with us, like towering zones or parking zones, was something that made a little difference in the whole chapter. We also found that the way they had used the digital network in Mumbai was a different way of using technology as a way of getting interest as well as engagement from the viewers.


There's a lot of things that we can now do for our animals that I didn't even know, and here's one here. Phillips lights for pets, what would have thought of that? Lights for pets, the dog's going blind. So Holly installed the Phillips Hue light strips along the hallway and on the stairs to create a very soft glow to help her dog navigate throughout the house at night. She even put it on the Phillips Hue app so that it comes on automatic at night and stays up all night so the dog can see like a landing strip for the plane. The dog can see where the dog needs to go. Cute little things that we're doing. I don't see anything in the building industry that really that comes to dogs and cats. But what I do know is that I can make a difference in your home to make it healthy for not just us, but for the animals themselves. And that's a really good point, you know, about all the cleaning stuff. Like what is in the hardwood cleaner you're using?


Rwy'n cael ei wneud, a dyma'r cyhoeddfa ar y ddweud o'r hynny'n ddiddordeb yn y ddweud. 16 yr ysgol yn Dau, mae'r ddweud o'r welkom yn ddiddordeb. Mae'r ddiddorol yn ei wneud y ffordd o 10 o'r gweithio newid yn unig o'r yrhaf i'r Ysgrifonau Ayrdd. Mae ddiddorol 75 miliwn o'r ddweud o'r ddweud o'r eu cyfnodol, ac mae'n ddweud o'r ddweud o'r ddweud o'r unig o'r ddweud o'r cyfrwyng. Felly, rydyn ni wedi'w gwneud yn gwneud y ddweud y ddydd y fawr o'r mwyaf ar yr odd yn dda'i'r ddechrau. Ond rydyn ni'n gael y ddod ar y dyfodol, ac mae'n ddiddordeb. Mae'n gynhyrch am ddod i ddysgu Arland a'r Unedig yn yw'r Brexit yn ymddangos, rydym yn cael y Brexit yw'r ffordd ni'n ddiddordeb. Mae'n ddiddordeb yw'r cyfrifol, ddod o'r negosiadau i'r rhain pwyllwyr, ynghylch, ynghylch, ynghylch a'r rhaglenau a'r rhaglenau i'r Unedig Unedig Unedig yn ymchwil. Ond ydych chi'n ymwneud i'r Michael Barnier yn ymwyno, mae'n unig ar y glifio ar y brydau i'n ymwneud i'ch certynnu'n hynny yn y sphysgol fel ydych chi'n fwyaf i'r argynnu'n gyfael ar Y Llywodraeth ac i'r Unedig Unedig Unedig Unedig, ac i'r ffugir. Felly, sef ddweud, ar y ddweud, o'r olyfod o'r 11 piam, unig yma yma yma ynglyn wrth i Eur minds해. Rwy'n dod i'ch ei gwaith o'r ymddangos a gynrych arnyddio mae'r argyllid yn bifau. Rydym wedi'u gweld itgyntaf ar ymddangos, ond ydych ei geisio ddim yma, mae'n gallu ei ddaech arnes o'r Unig yma a phaith yma yma yma... Rwy'n gobeithio, mae'r gweithio'n rhaeg yng nghymru eu hunain ac rhaed i'n mynd i'n dwy surfio mewn dod i'r ddechrau. Mae gennym ei gweithio y llwyddiad ar gyfer y EU ac eu Gweithgfaeth, ac mae'n gweithio'r gweithio ar y Lŷod dweud. Mae hyn yn eich gweithio'r gweithio arall, ac mae'r gweithio ar gyfer y Lŵod mwy. A dyma'r gweithio ar gyfer Lŵod, mae'n gweithio'r gweithio ddifu llwyth yn rwy, ddechrau'r gweithio, ddechrau'r environment, ddechrau'r gweithio, ac yr yw bod yw'r ysgolwyr maen nhw'n meddwl i'r dynodol, ac mae'n rhoi'r norm EU i dynodol gyda'r rhaglen o'r adnod, dynodol. Roeddwn i'r hynny'n ddynod i'r ddweud o'r gweithio gyda'r ymddindig ymddindig ymddindig sydd yn dweud i dynodol yma i eich bod ymddindig yn ymddindig. Mae'r idea ymddindig yn ymddindig yn ddweud a'u ddweud i'r ffordd o'r optimism ac unig yn y ffrif. Europe allowed us here in Ireland to take our place among the nations of the world. So today is bittersweet for all of us who believe in the idea of a united Europe. Our sadness however is tempered by what we have seen over the past three years. And although the European Union has been tested in the past decade by the rise of populism, the financial crisis and Brexit, it did not break. And in fact in my view has come through stronger and more united than ever. Today we're particularly grateful to the European Member States for their solidarity and support during the recent Brexit negotiations. And I'm glad to see some EU ambassadors here today and I hope you'll convey our words of thanks back to your capitals. What we saw over the past three years is proved positive that small countries benefit from membership of the European Union. We don't get swallowed up, rather we are partners. So this morning is an opportunity to remember what a united Europe stands for as we imagine the Europe of the future. The ideals of European unity, freedom, peace and solidarity are perhaps best expressed in the words of Schiller put to music by Beethoven proclaiming our shared values and our unity in diversity. They suggest that the abiding friendship can transcend human frailties and weaknesses and help us to achieve something much greater. I'm struck by the fact that over the past few years we've seen again the power of an abiding friendship in action. A friendship that brought peace, reconciliation and prosperity to Europe and has helped to protect peace here in Ireland is to went through this first difficult phase of Brexit. The UK leaving is not a cause of celebration for us. There will be no issuing of commemorative coins for this event. But we do celebrate the solidarity that has been shown by our EU partners and we say thank you to our fellow Europeans. Over the past two and a half years I've travelled across Europe meeting fellow heads of state and government to discuss Brexit and the challenges it has brought to the island of Ireland. I think I've been in every Prime Minister's office at this stage and if I haven't been in theirs they've been in mine. And I'll never forget the reaction of the people I met. Those who inquired every time we met about the progress of Brexit what I thought would happen next and wondered what it would mean for my country. Those who worried about peace on the island of Ireland those who came here to visit the border area and the kindness of those who shared our concern and wished us well. And I have to say I was humbled by their generosity of spirit and the evidence in every European city of how international interests had replaced narrow national ones. So today we say thank you to the European leaders in our Member States and also to the EU institutions the Parliament, the Council and the Commission who made Irish concerns their own and stood with us to achieve a deal that protects the hard earned peace on the island of Ireland. We say thank you to the people of Europe who understood our fears and took our hopes and concerns into their own hearts. European unity started as an idea it became a dream and then became reality. The solidarity and abiding friendship we've received over the past three years is further proof that that European dream is durable. It can withstand whatever is thrown at it and it is strengthened by coming through trials together. And with the ongoing rise of populism and nationalism in many European countries there will be more trials in the future, I believe. As Tishwick I've seen the strengthened unity of the European Union and how much we can achieve when all Member States all 27 of us think together, work together and have common objectives and goals. When Europe acts as one it is a truly powerful force for good in the world. United we stand, but divided we achieve little. So the next step is to negotiate a future relationship including a free trade agreement between the European Union including Ireland and the UK one that protects jobs, businesses, rural and coastal communities and our economies generally. The UK would like to see a trade deal this year and I believe that is possible particularly if the new trade deal brings about arrangements that are very similar to the current ones. It will be difficult though but in the withdrawal agreement there is an option that the joint committee can agree an extension if needs be. Now I know the British government has ruled that out but it is still there in the withdrawal agreement should the British government and the EU come together and join the joint committee and decide that an extension is needed. On our side we know it is going to be a pretty rocky couple of months. The European Council at the end of March is going to be crucial in that regard and we need to get down to business very quickly trying to get the trade deal which is essential for the Irish economy and of course for Britain's. We want free trade with the UK with no tariffs, no taxes, no quotas and as little bureaucracy and as few checks as possible but no matter what happens there will be some bureaucracy and there will be checks because things cannot be as they were before. I am adamant that our future partnership with the UK must go beyond trade. It needs to cover a broad range of issues including fisheries for example security, our universities cooperation on research and economics generally. I am confident that we can get a good deal but good news is that I don't think the two parties are actually that far apart further apart in rhetoric than in substance. The EU on the one hand and Britain on the other broadly agree that we want there to be no quotas no tariffs, no taxes and the minimum amount of bureaucracy and checks possible and that's really important in Ireland for our exporters, our businesses our agriculture sector, our rural economy our coastal communities and the 200,000 people in all parts of Ireland whose jobs depend on trade with the UK. However we have to be realistic about the dangers as well. A failure to secure a trade deal would be a major threat and an existential threat to our economy in 2021. So we do need that deal. The whole idea of a level playing field is important because there is a genuine concern across the European Union that part of the motivation behind Brexit at least for some people who are behind Brexit was for the UK to undercut us or outbid us in terms of state aids environmental standards, labour standards product standards, food standards and all of those things. When I met with Prime Minister Johnson in Belfast recently he reassured me that this was not the case that that was not the kind of United Kingdom that he wanted to lead as Prime Minister. But we need that written down in law that there aren't misunderstandings in future and we need a mechanism to adjudicate disputes and enforce those adjudications. Today I think is also an opportunity to reflect to think a little bit beyond Brexit and to think about the future of our European Union. Past generations I believe knew instinctively that a united Europe was a good idea. They knew it could bring an end to centuries of war in our continent that have provided a pathway for peace, democracy and the rule of law for free markets and prosperity after the horrors of World War II. Particularly those who lived on continental Europe said no more war and the European Union allowed France and Germany and other states to put aside generations of conflict in favour of cooperation and for those who lived behind the Iron Curtain in Central and Eastern Europe the European Union was always the light, the hope the possibility that communism could be defeated and democracy, the rule of law and the social market economy brought to their countries too. But for younger people, those younger than me the horrors of World War and the evils of fascism and communism are not in their memory. So to make sure that the next generation continues to hold to that belief in European unity we need to make sure that Europe has a new project a new raison d'etre for the future. And I believe that can be by dealing with those challenges that can only be overcome by collective multilateral action. Climate action is first among those but others include things like security for example and the regulation and taxation of large companies many of which are now larger and more powerful than nation states. In my conversations with President von der Lein I've commended her on the leadership she's shown when it comes to the European Green Deal and assured her that she will have a friend and ally in Ireland in driving that forward. I believe that the European Green Deal isn't just a good environmental policy it's also a really good economic policy as well and we should strive as a European Union among the first to adopt new technologies and more importantly to be the people who invent them. It has the potential to unlock a new wave of investment innovation entrepreneurship to provide the economic opportunity of tomorrow. We face global crises and we'll be judged in the future by the decisions that we take today. And I endorse the objective of a climate neutral EU by 2050 and we must now ensure that the new EU budget and the work of the European Investment Bank and other bodies is directed towards achieving that goal. This action will help create an opportunity for green growth, new jobs, new businesses and a cleaner, more biodiverse environment. The transition to a climate neutral Europe will require a significant public and private investment and we're supportive of the plan by the European Investment Bank to invest a trillion euros in climate action and sustainability between 2021 and 2030. There will also need to be a just transition mechanism to assist the regions and industries most affected regions like our own midlands which will be affected as we move out of peat harvesting and burning peat for energy places like West Clare but also individuals in particular roles and while jobs may become redundant as a consequence of climate action people should never become redundant we must ensure that they have good severance packages and the opportunity for retraining and new jobs and better jobs in the new economy. Over the coming weeks of months we'll also have to agree a new EU budget for the next seven years, the MFF. As a country we want to see long established well functioning and successful policies such as the common agricultural policy cap cohesion, horizon, inter-reg and Erasmus Plus to be funded well. We also recognise the need for investment in meeting newer challenges such as migration security and of course climate action and we want to make sure that there's a dedicated funding stream within the European Green Deal for farmers to encourage them and pay them to do the right thing by our environment. We all know that Europe can and does make a difference for example we have an agreement already on a special allocation for peace plus programme worth about 100 million euros for Northern Ireland and the border counties. I think we can push that up a little bit higher and when you add in contributions from the Irish government and the UK government it could leverage a package of investment for Northern Ireland and our border counties worth as much as a billion euros over seven years and that would be a considerable boost I think to Northern Ireland and to the border. So what have we learned from the first phase of Brexit? First I think we've learned a lot about ourselves about the quality of our diplomats and our officials in Ireland and in embassies and consulates across Europe the quality of institutions such as this and other bodies, unions and employers groups that studied Brexit and followed it closely the quality of our media who reported Brexit so well. We've also learned about the value of having the right team and I hear I hope you'll join with me in paying tribute to the work of the Tawnishta Simon Coveney and Minister McIntee is here as well but I think most of all we've learned a lot about our friends in Europe. As the leader of a small country I felt enormous solidarity from our European partners so often we were told that the day would come when the big countries would get together and tell us what's what, it never did or that I'd be called into a room on a dark night and be told to sacrifice our tax policies or something else in return for solidarity not only did that never happen it was never even hinted at sometimes people in small countries believe that by joining a larger union they can get swallowed up I think the past few years have demonstrated again that the European Union is a union of nations as well as a union of peoples one in which small states are protected and respected and being at the heart of the European Union doesn't make us once until less Irish I do profanly regret that the UK is leaving but I absolutely respect their decision to do so I'm certain that no matter what both Ireland and the EU more broadly will continue to have an abiding relationship with our nearest neighbour the UK a real partnership in terms of politics, security and the economy into the future our objectives as Ireland and Europe for the first phase of Brexit have been met citizens rights are protected for those EU citizens living in the UK and for UK citizens living in the European Union we have a financial settlement there'll be no hard border on the island of Ireland the all island economy will continue to develop and Northside Cooperation as envisioned by the Good Friday Agreement can continue to thrive we've also secured the integrity of the single market and our place in it to reach an agreement both sides showed flexibility and both sides were prepared to compromise at crucial points in time we each took a leap of faith and trusted in the other to help us to achieve our aims and I believe this has to be a good sign for the next phase of negotiations our future relationship and of things to come it shows how inspiring the words of the anthem of Europe have become a reality for us in the 21st century so I look forward with confidence to the future of Ireland and the EU after Brexit and I do not underestimate the challenges and the risks but I believe we can meet those challenges and rise to them by working with our European partners and we can build an ever closer, safer, more prosperous and sustainable future for all of us thank you very much thank you very much Tishuk I'm now going to open these proceedings to the floor and I'll take person there name Ronan Tynan a filmmaker and member of the Institute Tishuk, I just want to ask you about promoting European values and human rights which you spoke very eloquently about there yesterday standing in the same position that you are now I asked me hall Martin would he allow his minister for foreign affairs to go to Russia as Minister Kovni did and smiling talk about increasing trade with Russia when as you're well aware the EU has sanctioned Russia over the annexation of Crimea the invasion of Ukraine and those sanctions were strengthened as you're aware when the Russians shot down MH17 a Malaysian passenger airliner which 300 people were killed but Tishuk at that time which is the reason that I was really upset about that Ronan I think you're coming to a question the question is Tishuk at that time Tishuk the Russians were bombing hospitals in Syria and the minister could not have been unaware of that fact and I would put it to you as a medical doctor do you have any words of support and solidarity with medical doctors being bombed in Syria doing the job you did and I would put it to you as well would you not feel a deep sense of betrayal if you had seen Minister Kovni smiling with Lavrov at a time when they are watching their colleagues being murdered and wounded doing those life saving jobs that they have in the most dangerous place on earth thank you thanks very much I think you started your question by talking about European values and I think sometimes people misinterpret the term European values or European way of life seeing it as some sort of superior thing or almost European nationalist concept it's not really like for me the European continent is different from other parts of the world and we do have distinct European values we have the European social market economy that's not the way America works America is an unbridled free market economy China has a form of state capitalism we're a continent that believes in equality between men and women not the norm in most of the world a continent that believes that democracy and the rule of law are the norm and that is not the case in much of the world including Russia which doesn't subscribe to European values in my view it's not a social market economy it doesn't respect equality not least for people who are LGBT it is not a functioning democracy and doesn't abide by the rule of law and for those reasons we have to be unafraid in challenging countries like Russia some of the countries in the Middle East in other parts of the world that don't subscribe to these values but I don't believe in a policy of boycott we have sanctions on Russia sanctions that we've renewed and I supported renewing them but I don't believe a policy of boycott would work and that means engagement so yes we will engage with Russia into the future but not for a second does that mean us turning a blind eye are failing to raise with them our objections to what's happening in Ukraine what's happening in Syria or the violation of human rights within that country itself thank you question over there possibly you don't need my one Blair Horne member of the institute thanks very much for your presentation just on the level of playing field conditions some of the speculation has been that in areas like state aid and environmental policy it might be dynamical and non-regression and I'm just wondering in the overall scheme including in terms of social and climate policy is the Irish position that it should be dynamic alignment on all 11 big field conditions or what areas are you possibly talking about non-aggression does the Irish position particularly in dynamic alignment on social and climate policy the Irish position will be that what we want is dynamic alignment rather non-aggression I think the UK would agree to non-aggression rather non-aggression non-aggression and you know something Prime Minister Johnson says to me and it's absolutely a fair comment he says do you really think that a wealthy prosperous Western European country like the UK is going to have lower wages than say Bulgaria or Romania and of course they're not so it's not so much a concern around regression that we would have in that area but it is that over time that we could become disaligned because European standards tend to rise you know if you look at one of the best things the European Union has achieved instead of race the bottom unfair competition among member states that gets corrected for through tariffs and barriers we've set a common set of minimum standards in lots of areas but they're rising standards and you know the Gothenburg pack and the European social policy all these things are all part of that and by agreeing a set of common standards they can rise and there is a risk that the UK may depart from that so it doesn't have to be absolute but my overall idea of a level playing field would be one of common amendment standards that continue to rise so that is I suppose another way of saying dynamic alignment and we do need to bear in mind that the UK is not Canada you know the kind of undercutting and unfair competition that could happen with the UK is quite different Canada is very far away and there's a big ocean in between so I think we need to bear that in mind when it comes to the next set of talks yes the new trade deal might resemble Canada but Canada's not the UK the UK is right here in our doorstep and it's 60 million people so it is different Thank you there's a question down at the back there I'm told Thank you Tishuk and thank you today for hosting this very important discussion My name is Selena Donnelly I work with Trocra we work overseas with communities that are experiencing the worst impacts of the climate crisis that they have contributed the least to I was very glad to hear you prioritise the need for collective action on our climate and biodiversity crisis My question is if re-elected will you ensure that Ireland immediately joins the group of EU member states that are calling for an increase in the EU's 2030 climate targets to at least 55% aiming for 65% reductions in line with the latest findings of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change and deliver an 8% a year annual reduction in emissions in the lifetime of the next government Thank you To give you a straight answer it's not a straight answer we're going to give an answer of yes and no yes we're absolutely part of the group of European countries that wants to show more ambition on climate action we're among the EU states that have signed up to being carbon neutral or climate neutral by 2050 in our own climate action plan we're predicting our planning for a reduction in our own emissions of somewhere between 2% and 3% a year and we set out in the climate action plan how we believe that can be achieved now that is being challenged the main opposition party is saying to us that our targets are not realistic particularly when it comes to electric vehicles now I don't agree with that I think it is possible to get to a million electric vehicles by 2030 I've seen how quickly new technologies like smartphones get adapted it's not a straight line curve it goes like this almost nobody has one than everyone does Ireland has a WhatsApp group at this stage every second one does almost nobody did a few years ago but the point I'm getting to is we've set a target of reducing our emissions by 2% to 3% a year which would be enough to honour obligations under the Paris Accords and we just about know how we're going to do that and people are critical of how we think we can do it they're actually saying that when you break down that 2% or 3% to actual things like the number of electric vehicles that were being over ambitious so how could I commit to 7% or 8% without knowing, we just about know how to do 2 or 3 how can you commit to 7 or 8 until you actually have some good idea as to how you'd actually achieve that and 8% a year over the period of a government assuming it goes full term is a 40% reduction in emissions I think it would be absolutely desirable and right to aim for that and achieve it but before you commit to that in law or in a genuine meaningful way you'd have to be able to show how you do it and you'd have to understand what the impact would be on people's livelihoods and on their jobs and on poverty and nobody who's asked me so far to sign up to a 7 or 8% target per annum or 40% over 5 years has been able to show me even a 3 or 4 page document that shows how that can be done and what the impact would be on our society Thank you Zeisha, is there a question over there? Thank you It's a microphone coming to you there Thank you Uno, do I remember of the institute Yesterday here, me hall Martin stressed the importance of connecting Europe and its citizens and some years ago at the IIA meeting in Brussels to which you spoke and also asked you about communicating Europe what are in the present atmosphere of populism and difficulties between for example in particular the EU and the UK what are your suggestions for the future on not just communicating Europe at European level and also at national level but also connecting Europe with its citizens Thank you That's a very good question I think there is still a perception that the European Union in many ways is remote from citizens and elitist I don't think that's fair but that's the way the European Union is often perceived more so in other countries than in this one One of the things we have done in Ireland which I think has been a successful is the citizens dialogue Minister McInty we're now talking at a European level of having a sort of convention another convention if you like or citizens assembly if you like on the future of Europe and I think that's a good idea done on a pan-European basis it's avoiding another IGC or another convention in the future of Europe in that sense but not ruling it out because treaty change may well be necessary at some point in the future but the purpose wouldn't be treaty change but the purpose would be to engage with citizens across Europe and see what kind of Europe that they want from us but I do think sometimes small things matter the kind of things that people really identify with as European citizens is the fact that with that Burgundy passport that that European citizenship gives you enormous freedom the freedom to travel anywhere in the EU without needing a visa the freedom to study anywhere in the EU the freedom to work anywhere in the EU is enormous that I think people become more aware of as UK citizens lose it and we need to remind them of that but it's other things as well again just talking to everyday people it's things like the roaming charges probably one of the best things that the European Parliament did and the European Union did was get rid of roaming charges something really practical and one of the things another thing of course is programs like Erasmus I think they say now that there are about 1.1 million Erasmus babies across the European Union people who met their partner or the father or mother of their child if not their partner on Erasmus so some of those programs are really powerful and I know it gets criticised but I think it's a really powerful one that has been initiated now is the interrail pass for young people and giving them that opportunity to travel around Europe when they're 17 or 18 or 19 those kind of formative years it's things in that space that we need to do a little bit more of but if you've suggestions I'm really open to it because it's something that we've grappled with for a very long time now we all celebrated the fact that the turnout in the European elections wasn't awful like it wasn't great either across the European Union and it's disappointing that when the European Union is so important that there is disengagement I used to like the idea that I would directly elect a president of the European Union but I become more sceptical about that but I still like the idea of transnationalists people actually voting in European elections not just for their local MEP or their MEP from their region but also voting for a panel on a transnationalist and that might require us to have a conversation about which European political party you'd support be an experiment but that's not on the cards just yet but there is some support for it anyway Tisha, what is on the cards is that from tomorrow the informal but constant relationship that we have had particularly with our nearest neighbour Great Britain because of joint membership of the European Union will no longer exist it's clear that Britain itself and England in particular is still suffering from this departure in so many different ways would you consider it an initiative that should be taken by the Irish side and by you as Tisha or your successor to construct a new relationship to fill that gap so that the way in which we have interacted for the last many many years since 1973 that relationship no longer exists how would you propose to try and fill that gap between Britain and Ireland something I've given some thought to and spoken to Prime Minister May about it before and more recently with Prime Minister Johnson and it is going to be a big change we joined the European Union together with the UK their leaving were staying it was kind of heading that way for a long time in a weird way I think that the ultimate decision that we made as a country when we voted for the Maastricht Treaty the decision to join the Euro without them that was pretty fundamental we went into the Euro they didn't and I don't think it was as a fundamental decision as we thought at the time but it turned out to be a pretty fundamental decision it's one thing to leave a European Union it's another thing to leave a currency Union and that decision is made that we're going in one direction and sadly they're going another but that really started I think with Maastricht and Brexit is just the next manifestation of that it is extraordinary how much things have changed in the UK that at that time there was a serious debate as to whether the UK would join the Euro or not how much things have changed in that country but it does require us to do two things at a European level we're losing a really like-minded country that had similar ideas and views to us on lots of issues trade tax the transatlantic relationship you name it and that means building new alliances and we're doing that very effectively already particularly with what we call the Nordic Baltic Group the Nordic countries and the three Baltic states who are small open trading economies a bit like ours also a little bit worried about the UK leaving and what that will mean for the European Union and that works very well on finance ministers level already and we do it in a slightly looser arrangement ahead of government level and one of the things I've been invited to in October is a meeting of the Nordic Baltic Council I hope I'll be in situ to attend but I think it is significant that Ireland has been invited to attend the Nordic Baltic meeting and one of the explanations given to me as to why we were invited by the Prime Minister of Estonia Yuri Rattus is hosting it is you don't have the UK anymore so we don't want you to be on your own in the room you might need new friends so I think that there is a potential alliance for us to build there but there are other alliances too that are important particularly for France around our nearest neighbour now in the European Union as of tonight particularly around agriculture and other issues where we are very aligned and also a lot of the Mediterranean countries so there are lots of alliances we can build up it's going to take a lot of work we will need to expand our diplomatic presence in all of those countries but I'm not answering your question we've had some discussions about this already and I think what we can do and should do is to use the institutions of the Good Friday Agreement which were really prophetic in so many ways so one of the first things I re-read when I became Thysiwch was the Good Friday Agreement and it's a visionary document it doesn't read like an international treaty at all it's extraordinary to read it and it of course talks about what they talked about at the time is the totality of relationships not just power sharing in Northern Ireland and Northside Cooperation but also Cooperation in the East-West context and there's the two institutions there the British Irish Council which involves Scotland and Wales and Channel Islands and Island Man but also the BIIGC the British Irish Intergovernmental Conference which has been underused in the past and Boris Johnson talks about beefing that up and I think that's the right approach too that we use that institution that already exists in the Good Friday Agreement and strengthen it and use it as the pivot around which we can strengthen relations between Ireland and Britain perhaps, you know, meeting in a planned way maybe every six months maybe one thing I've suggested is that every year we'd have almost like a joint cabinet meeting between the British Cabinet and the Irish Cabinet the French Germans have been doing this for ages we could do something like that to cement the relationship the other thing is expanding our own presence in the UK which has happened already we've reopened the consulate in Cardiff which had been closed during the crash and we're going to open one in the north of England haven't decided yet whether it'll be Liverpool or Manchester but again strengthening that relationship too Tisha, you've been very generous at your time and I know you have a busy schedule but there is one more question that has been put I gather from the floor indicate your name Chevelle Toner, thanks Tisha for coming you talk about the importance of the Erasmus program and how it is important for Irish students to go abroad but it also is important for students from Europe to come to Ireland but with increasing costs for that rents being atrocious at the moment travel expenses for students just everything Susie, not increasing how do you plan to attract these students with our institutions becoming more overcrowded and receiving less funding we are actually attracting a lot of international students to Ireland I don't know the exact figures but there's been substantial increase in the number of international students coming to Ireland not all from the European Union by any means I think one of the pluses one of the silver linings if you like from Brexit is that more Irish students might choose to do their Erasmus year in the UK now it's possible that the UK will stay in Erasmus but if it doesn't we might see more Irish students studying in Spain and France and Italy, I think that would be a plus and would probably help to improve our language competencies as well and perhaps will have more interest from EU students in coming to Irish universities rather than British ones particularly those who want to perfect their English Irish universities might become even more attractive than they are now but the point you make is a very valid one the cost of being a student here in Ireland and not just the cost of education but also the cost of travel and housing which is impacting on our own citizens as much as it does on students coming here to visit actual funding for universities I think has gone up by about 25% over the past three or four years it hasn't been caught I know the number of students has gone up as well but I often hear that said that funding for a higher level has been caught hasn't it's gone up by 25% I think in the last couple of years and we also have 300 million set aside from the surplus in the national training fund for that and that's there to be deployed in our own manifesto we have committed to increasing the thresholds for SUSE so that more people will qualify for the student grant we're also proposing that there should be no increase in the student registration fee over the course of the next five years which I hope would give some reassurance to people around costs and as well as that I think when it comes to accommodation what we really need is to support our universities to build a lot more on-site accommodation there's a huge amount of student accommodation being built in all our cities it's cropping up everywhere it's very welcome that we have it because it is freeing up housing and rental properties for others but it's also generally very expensive and most of the people in it are international students who must be relatively well off because they're able to afford it and that's not a criticism of student accommodation or international students by any means but it's not providing the low cost rental type accommodation that we should be having and that should be happening on our campuses and when I visited campuses all over Ireland from ITs to universities they all seemed to have plenty of land or a decent amount of land with a few exceptions so I think one of the things that we should do in the next government having tried out cost rental on publicly owned sites like the End of Scary Road and going to do it in Emma Road one of the obvious places where we could really make a big impact on cost rental is by building accommodation on the campuses of our ITs and universities thus providing accommodation for students at a lower rent but then that also affecting the market and requiring the market off campus to respond to that by not increasing rents or having lower rents as well Ishaq, thank you very much indeed I'm informed that you now have other commitments to make and we wish you all the best thank you very much


Okay guys, I have new software this morning called StreamYard and I am streaming live. Do me a favor, post in that chat section if you can hear me, I want to make sure you can. It looks like this software is the stuff I wanted all along. I was using OBS, which was a free software, it just didn't work that well. But post in that comment section if you can hear me please. I want to make sure the audio is working, I want to make sure you can see me, I want to make sure the video is working. I have a monitor off to the side here, which is an iPad. I've got my computer in front of me here. I've got my phone to chat with you. This should also be live on Facebook, I don't know if it is. So if anybody's on Facebook watching this, put in that chat section that you can see me in Facebook. I've got some really important information to share with you today. It is related to some food shortages and that's not what our theme is today. It's the Four Secrets today, of course, to growing your business online. But I do own a food company and I have for over a decade. So I do want to talk to you guys about something and warn you about something. So stick with me to the end there because there's a pretty big warning about your food supply. So yeah, we've got some cool people in here. I haven't seen Christine in a while. We've got web solutions in here. People are trickling in now. And this is my try at getting a new software. So please, please, please post in there if you can hear me. And I know these comments are kind of delayed. So just put I can hear you sounds good, something like that. That way I make sure I'm not talking to myself. OK, I don't want to be doing that. I want to make sure I can. Thanks. I've been in screenwriting class. Wow, and formatting some ebooks for publication. That's awesome, Christine. That's really cool. But can you hear me post in there if you can hear me? I'm getting ready to get to the four secrets now. And guys, I would suggest you really listen to these. I mean, these four things have made such a difference in my business and helping me grow my business and watch my income go up every year instead of being flatter going down. He goes up every single year because of these four things. These four things are super important. They're not the only four things you got to do. But they are four things that are super, super important. So I have to share them with you guys. And I want to give you some examples of each one of them, too, so that you know how to use these four things, how I implemented them in my business and basically how you can implement them in yours. So let me get to the first one here right now. And let me get back over to my screen. I'm going back and forth. There we go. I'm using StreamYard and StreamYard is actually a really cool program because I can broadcast to YouTube and I can broadcast to Facebook at the very same time, which is pretty cool stuff. Love being able to do that. All right, so the first one, number one, this is a big one, guys. If you want your income to constantly go up online, if you don't want it to go down, if you want to see your income grow, I'm going to tell you what number one is. And that is diversification. Big word, diversification. OK, so diversification in your business. I've seen a lot of people try to make money online and they'll get a product and it'll sell and they make money and they can never repeat what they did. They keep trying different products and it just doesn't work out. So I will tell you diversification is super important. It's having a whole lot of ways to make money. Now, I own a survival food company. That's that's my main source of income, if you will. But not my only source of income. I do some coaching. I don't I don't do that as much anymore because I don't have time for it. And I can make a lot more money doing other things. I don't like to take up my time to do that. But I also own courses, I own courses, I own Digital Cash Academy, which shows people how to somebody shutting the door. I'm too loud since shutting the door of my office, which is nice. We have a door we can shut now in the office. But diversification is so, so important. Like I say, I have a course called Digital Cash Academy, which shows people how to do dropshipping Shopify store, if you will. I have another course called Facebook Ads University, which teaches you Facebook ads. I have courses on Shopify, how to build a Shopify store. And that's called Ecom Road. I have what's email learning systems that shows you how to do emails. I have another one coming out, which is going to be teaching people how to do digital courses because I've done so many of them now and I've made so much money on all these courses. But I owe it to you guys to show you how I did that to pull back the curtains. So the reason my income keeps going up is because I have all of these different things and these things become hot and cold depending on the season, depending on the economy and all that. Now, I was very fortunate during the illness. I think that's what we have to call it on Facebook and YouTube. But I was very fortunate because I had all these other streams of income and they all became popular, which is really kind of cool. They all became popular. You know, people wanted to get survival food, obviously. And I want to talk to you about that at the end of the stream today. Super important that you stick around for that. I've got some news for you that will probably scare you. But I do want to share it with you. I think it's super important that you know this because I manufacture food. So I know what's happening with the food supply. So anyhow, so that's my first one is diversification. I think diversification is really important when you have diversification, you know, you have income from all these different places, even if one goes down. Like I said, I was very lucky during the illness because people wanted to learn how to make money online. So that was my one area of expertise. And the other area of expertise was survival food. And they also wanted survival food. So everything was hitting on all cylinders. It was hitting on all cylinders. So the next thing I'm going to do is talk about number two. And some people call this affiliate. Some people call this retailers. But basically you need number two is I'm going to say add affiliates is number two. But you need to have other people selling your products. OK, you need to have other people selling your products. When I first came out with survival cave food, I built a website. And on that website, I put all my products. I was all set up. I was all excited. And I sat down, I looked at my computer and there were no sales. There was nothing, nothing happened. Nothing happened. It was just me staring at a screen. And I didn't really know what to do. And that's why I'm telling you guys about this. I would look around on the internet and I would see all these other websites. And they had tons of traffic, tons of people go under these websites. And I didn't have any. I had a new website. I didn't have an SEO correctly yet. I didn't know how to do any of that stuff. So I had no traffic. So I was very frustrated because I'd gone through all of this effort. And you may have experienced this too. And nobody was buying anything from me. They weren't buying anything because they didn't know anything about me. They didn't know who I was. They didn't know where I was. They couldn't find my site. So what I would do is look at these other sites with all this traffic.  And the light bulb went off and it said, hey, JR, what if your products were on these other people's sites? What if they didn't have to buy your product? They could just list it on their site. And this was the early affiliate days. I didn't even know they were affiliates, basically. And you could pay them a commission. And I paid them a big commission, like 20%, 30%, pretty big for survival food. And I was able after doing, this wasn't easy, guys. I don't want to make this sound easy because it's not. OK, it's not. If you try this and you contact four or five sites and they don't want to put your products up, that's not what you got to do. I was sending out hundreds of emails a day. I made, on average, of 200 phone calls a day to different places. I made over 10,000 phone calls to get my products on other people's sites. So if you make 10 phone calls or 20 phone calls and you go, oh, this doesn't work. No, that's not it. You've got to really put in the time. OK, you've really got to put in the time. That's like going to the gym and working out for 15 minutes and looking in the mirror going, this stuff doesn't work. This doesn't work or going for a week. I went four days last week and I don't look any different. It takes a lot of effort. However, now if you were to search survival paid food online, you would find thousands of affiliates for my products, which is pretty cool. Do all of them sell my products every day? No, I wish they would. I wish they would. It's always a small portion that does a majority of the sales. But the point is I have all these people selling my products. So the longevity of my business was built by all these people who sell my products too. And I'm so grateful for them. I'm so thankful for them. And I've been approached by companies like Costco and all these other big companies saying, hey, we want to sell your products in our stores. And I've never done it. And I've never done it because if I put my products in their stores and they sell them really cheap and they get something different from all my retailers, it kind of cuts out all those retailers and it cheapens the product. And that would be essentially hurting all those people that have helped me build my business. So I can't do that. I can't do that. Those people have helped me build my business. But bottom line is number two, the big secret is I've got other people selling my stuff. OK, that's my survival food. But I've also got other people selling my courses. I've got other people marketing my courses. I've got other people just talking about me and doing that. And that has been incredibly helpful, guys. I mean, that's the thing that's really kept my business going is having all these other people who can actually sell my product. I pay them a commission and they make money too. So what it does essentially is it helps them out, but it also keeps my business afloat, too. So if you're thinking about, well, I just want to be the only one selling it. I don't want anybody else selling my product. That's wrong. You got to have other people selling your products. You really do. I've never seen a super successful product that wasn't sold by everybody else. I mean, look at Coca-Cola. I mean, look at how many restaurants and grocery stores sell Coca-Cola. You know, let's pick Crystal Burgers or White Castle Burgers. White Castle Burgers, you can go in the grocery store now and you'll see White Castles in the grocery store. They want other people selling their products. OK, you go into any sporting goods stores. You'll see all kinds of brands. You'll see Nike next to Adidas next to Puma. You'll see them all together because these brands know they need other people to sell their products. I realized that early on because I didn't have any traffic. I couldn't sell my own product. Let me get a drink here. Yes, our saying for the day. You get a drink here real quick. I forgot. Don't forget to give me a thumbs up. Make sure you like this. Do it right now. Click that like button on Facebook, on YouTube. Click that like button. Don't forget to also subscribe. If you are on YouTube right now, hit that subscribe button, that big red button. If it's red, it's a warning to tell you you haven't subscribed. You need to click it and it will change colors. It'll turn to gray. Try that right now. Click that button. If you haven't done so, do that. And once you do that, there's going to be a bell that's going to pop up next to it. You want to ring the bell. You want to turn on all bell notifications so you're notified each and every time I go live. You don't miss out on any of this. And it also saves you time because you don't have to go through and look for stuff. OK, that's such a hassle. Did JR do a video? Has he done a video? You won't have to worry about this. This one, this is an automation that you want. But I'm going to talk about that in a second, too. It's another thing that you can do, one of my secrets to being successful. And guys, feel free while I'm talking here. You're not interrupting me. If you want to put a comment in that chat section, I can switch from teaching you guys these four things that you need to answering any questions you have. I have, like I said, I've got an iPad right here set up. See, I can chat with you. I've got a computer in front of me and I've got a phone right here. I can also chat on that. So any questions you have, anything you want to know, if you want to just put a comment in there, I would really appreciate that, too. I really appreciate your comments for anything. So let's get on. Let's go on. So you've got number one, which was what? Diversify. You've got number two, which is add affiliates. Number three is huge, huge, huge, huge, huge. Number three is probably the one thing that destroys a lot of people's businesses because they do this wrong. Number three is only learn from people who are successful at doing what you want to do. Only learn from people who are successful at doing what you want to do. Years ago, I ran car dealerships and inevitably, I would hire a new person who'd never sold a car before and they would be all excited and all jacked up and after about a week, they'd probably sell a car or two cars and they would do really well and then their sales would go down the next month.  And other car salespeople would tell them to say, well, you know, that guy there getting out of the car, he doesn't look like he can buy. And you know, those used cars over there, they're not very good.  So after about a month, I would bring them in the office and I would say, hey, how you doing? And they were like, well, I was doing good, but you know, I've been talking to some of the salespeople and there's some problems around here. And I would say, really, there's some problems around here, they say, yeah, and they were explaining to me, the interest rates are too high right now and the car prices got too high and blah, blah, blah, blah. And I would say to them this, I would say, look, here's what you want to do. Next time somebody gives you advice, it could be really good advice. I mean, it could be really, really, really good advice, but it could be crap. It could be crap. So here's what I want you to do. As soon as they start to give you advice, ask to see the pay stub and see how much money they're earning.  And here's the deal, guys, think about this. If a salesperson who's been there for a while isn't doing great, they're gonna make excuses why they're not doing great and they're gonna explain that to the new people why they're not doing great. But they won't say it that way. They'll just say, you can't do this because of this. A salesperson that was really good, that was making a lot of money, doesn't have time to stand around and talk to a new person. They just don't have time for it. So how does that equate to selling online? It equates to selling online because of this, this one thing. If you are learning from some guru out there who once upon a time sold a couple of products and now they're gonna tell you how to do it, I would run from this person. I would run from this person, run, okay? Here's the deal, last week we had two sales. No, I mean, we had a lot more sales than two but I'm just saying two of the sales, one was for 39,000 and one was for $59,000, $59,000, okay? So that wasn't bad for a week. Now we had a whole bunch of other sales too but those were two of our biggest sales in a week. Now we've had sales that were over a quarter million but I'm just saying for that week. Now I feel like when I can sell product like that, when I can take in 100 grand a day which I've done many times, when I can take in $100,000 a day, I have a right to tell you how to sell stuff online. So I would learn from somebody like me. Below in the description, I have some of my courses, you're welcome to check them out, not selling your course right now but I do wanna emphasize that you only wanna learn from people who are making the amount of money you wanna make, okay? And they're doing it the right way. Now there's a lot of gurus out there that lie and cheat and steal and promise people the world and all this kind of stuff and they make some money that flash in the pans but if you really wanna make long lasting, sustaining money, find somebody who has done that. Listen to what they've got to say. I'm giving you free training this morning, 100% free, okay? All you gotta do is take this information and run with it. All you gotta do is take this information and apply it. That's all you have to do, okay? So I have the right to tell you this because I've done it, okay? So that's what gives me the rate.  I tell you these things because I've done it with food. I've done it with courses. I've done it with YouTube. I've done it with a lot of different things. As a matter of fact, I have a new YouTube channel coming out pretty soon, a cooking channel. So if you're interested in that, you love cooking or something in the comments. That way I'll know that you're interested in there. Let me put that in there. If you are interested in a cooking channel, I'm doing comment in the chat section. Boom, did it. Okay, did it. So I'm gonna come out with that channel soon. Now this channel here is growing. I've got approaching 6,000 subscribers. And I will tell you probably over 90 to 95% of the channels that ever start on YouTube ever get to 1,000. They just don't even get to 1,000 subscribers. Now 5,000 something, which is what I have right now, is not huge. It's not huge. However, I just keep growing it. And we keep making more and more money on it. We make more money on it because I provide you guys with good information. And that is the key. Only listen to people who have good information. Now how do you know? Investigate them. Type their name into Google and see what they've done. Where have they been? What kind of content have they put out? Are there complaints about that person? That's a big one. Type in there, JR Fisher Complaints or JR Fisher scam. I was doing that one day. It was kind of funny. I did that one day and I came up with a bunch of comments and they said, JR Fisher scam. No, they said JR Fisher scam or not. And I thought, wow, who's doing that? And then I went and watched it. And what it was, it was affiliates who were selling my courses and they were doing a video on how I wasn't a scam. But the headline said JR Fisher scam or not so they'd get people to watch the video so they could use their affiliate link to sell my courses. Well, that's pretty slick. I mean, that's pretty slick. But they didn't have anything bad to say about me which was really nice. And quite honestly guys, I don't make any promises to anyone. I was doing a video a few months ago that I shared this with the audience but I said, somebody bought my course and they said, oh my God, I just got your course. I'm gonna get rich online now. I said, buying my course does not get you rich online. It does not. Buying my course gets you the tools that you can use to get rich online.  All you did was buy my course. All you did was provide me with cash. And I appreciate that. But I would much, much, much rather that you applied the information that you got something out of it. That's what matters to me more than anything in the world. When you post something on one of my videos when you post something in the chat and you said, JR, I got some results. I made some money. That's what makes me feel good. That's what makes me feel good. And so many of you have done that and I really do appreciate you doing that guys share with me that information put it in the chat section put it in the comment section if you're on Facebook if you're I assume I'm on Facebook I'm only monitoring YouTube right now but I assume I'm on Facebook now too that the little screen up here says I am there's a check mark by it. So I guess I am. But make sure guys that you are learning from somebody that you want to learn from. Okay, be very careful about this. There are a lot of people out there that are very motivational.   You know, those guys that will get you really excited but at the end of the day, what are you gonna do? You know, like, I may not be as exciting as them but I'm gonna give you real actionable things that you can do. In other words, when you leave this video you can say, these are the things I need to do. These are the steps I need to take.    So you have to have education. Education is paramount. You have to know what to do. You have to know how to build the website, how to upload products, how to select products, how to advertise your products, how to build courses. You've gotta know all these steps if you ever hope to wanna make money online, okay? So learn, that's number three, learn from somebody who is doing, not has done who is doing what you want to do and is making what you want to make. I consistently sell products every single day. Digital products, physical products, every single day. It's not something I did years ago. You can Google my name. You can Google survival cave food right now and you'll see millions of results for that product. Millions. You can Google digital cash academy or Facebook ads university. You'll find information on all those courses, okay? That people got good information, okay? So those are the first three. Let's get to number four. Number four is super important. And I've got a bonus I wanna give you to. Now I guess it's gonna be a number five. It's gonna be a number five. But number four is automate everything you can. Automate everything you can. Automate everything you can. Now I'm gonna give you a software that you can use to do this and you're gonna find it in the description below once this video is over with, okay? If you are on Facebook, you won't find it. You have to go over to YouTube. You will find it in the description. But the software, you want the link that I have. It's my affiliate link, full disclosure is my affiliate link. But when you click on the link, what it's gonna do is it's gonna walk you through a video of everything that Cartra does. And then if you use my link, it's gonna give you an opportunity to get Cartra for only $1. I've never seen anybody I've ever recommended to get Cartra to not like it. Not a one person, not one single person. They all love Cartra. Now, have everybody always used Cartra and got rich? No, because not everybody worked. Not everybody worked. But a lot of people have used Cartra and got just incredible results. I highly recommend Cartra, get you some Cartra. It will be in the description of the YouTube video after I'm done. Now, by automating everything, and let me give you an idea, not just Cartra, not just your digital marketing, but I'll give you an example. When we have an order come in on our website, the Magento website for Survival Cave Food, that order automatically comes in. It's automatically sent over to, when we release it to ShipStation, and then it goes over to our warehouse automatically. And then somebody starts putting it in a box and shipping it out. And guess what I do? I do nothing, because all of that is automated. All of that is automated. The videos I put on YouTube, I record the videos, I send them to, and I edit them, rough edits, not fancy edits, but just taking out stuff I don't want in there. I send them to my video editor, and it's automated. He edits them, he puts words on the screen, he puts B-rolls on them, he uploads them to video, or excuse me, he uploads them to YouTube, he schedules them for certain times that I tell him to schedule them for, and automatically those videos come out. So all of that is automated. All of that's automated. My bills, the things I pay, I set up automations on all my accounts for that. All my accounts have all of that stuff automated, okay? You've got to automate. You cannot get everything done that you want to do without automation. That doesn't mean you shouldn't check your automations, okay? If you've got a bill pay in there, you don't want it to be overpaying. Let's say you set up for $50 a month, and you pay off the bill, and it keeps paying $50 a month. Don't do that kind of stuff. But what I'm saying to you is, if you can automate it, you need to do it, because automation just frees up more time for you. It gives you more time to be more creative, to do more things, okay? So that's why automation is so very important, guys, you've got to, got to automate. And that's what Karcher allows you to do. I set up, I think, three emails for this live today, but they all were automated. They went off at a certain time. They had links in them. You could click on them. They automatically went to this video. And if you got one of those emails, put it in the chat section. I got one of those emails. That way I know they're going out and people are getting them. But bottom line is I automated that. That was all in automation. And I want to check my time here if I'm getting close to about a half hour. But I have a bonus one for you. And I got it, got it, got it. I give you this bonus one. This bonus one, and I told you it was only four, but those four things, guys, and let's recap those four things real quick too, that I told you about. It's diversification, number one, diversification. You've got to have a whole lot of different products and a whole lot of stuff going on. Don't do that in the beginning. You got to get your one product going. Once you got that going, then you get your second product, and you get your third and fourth. But that diversification is going to help you and it's going to balance your income. You need that. Number two I told you was to add affiliates, okay? Add people to sell your stuff, okay? Go out there in the marketplace and find people who are in the same kind of niche you are, which is what I did and say, hey, I got stuff. You want to sell my stuff? I'll pay you a commission. You don't have to do anything to tell people about it. Also, in Cartra, they have an affiliate portal in there so you can find affiliates if you want to do that. I also use share sale. I use ClickBank and various other things. Number three, only learn from proven people. And I got to qualify that when I say proven people, I don't mean people who did something five years ago and they no longer do it. I mean, they got to be doing it right now, okay? They got to be doing it right now. They got to be selling online right now, making money at whatever it is they're teaching you. Now, that's a hard person to find. That's a hard person to find because if they're making money doing their thing online, they don't need to teach you. They don't need to, okay? They don't need to sell you a course. I don't need to sell you a course. I don't need to do this video when it's early morning. I could be off with my wife, having a nice leisurely breakfast, sipping mimosas or something. I do this because I think it's time to give back. I do this because I know there's people out there that want to do what I've done and the only way they're gonna do that is if somebody pulls back the curtains and says, hey, this is the reveal. These are the things you've got to do. So that's what I do. So learn from somebody who is doing what you want and earning what you want currently. Not in the past, not in the past, okay? So if that person's teaching you how to do, I don't know, affiliate marketing and they're not really doing affiliate marketing, they're trying to get you to sell their product and I've seen that out there too, that's not what you want. It's not what you want, guys. I mean, this is common sense, but common sense is not that common. You gotta sometimes think your way through these things. And then the last thing I told you was automations. Automations via Cartra. Oh yeah, and I gotta tell you about the food shortage thing too. I wanna do that, remind me on that one. But automations through Cartra. I think that's super important. Web solutions, marketing. I got your email. Thank you so much for letting me know that you got that. That is very, very important. And here's my bonus. Here's my bonus. You ready for the bonus? Learn to sell. Learn to sell. My iPad just died on me over here. Why it died? I don't know. Battery went out. Battery went out. It wasn't charged all the way. It's okay. I can still talk to you guys right here. But learn to sell. We can call it marketing if you want it to sound a little bit fluffier and nicer. You're marketing online. It's still selling. There's nothing wrong with selling, guys. Everybody sells.  You sell your kids on that. The preacher sells people on his Bible, right? And I have a friend who's a preacher. He says, that's the hardest thing in the world. We got one book and everybody argues about it. But they sell, right? A lawyer's got to sell the jury. He's got to sell the judge. He's got to sell their clients. Everybody sells, guys. Everybody sells. There's nothing wrong with selling.  We manufacture food. We do canned meats. And we have a new line of freeze-dried foods coming out. But I want to share with you that there are shortages on meats right now. Now I'm not saying too horrid. I'm not saying that at all. I am saying you should stock up because we're experiencing shortages like we've never seen before. Matter of fact, the shortages that we're seeing now for meat and meat products like turkey, I can't even get turkey right now. We do beef, chicken, turkey, pork and ground beef for my survival food company. So if you could go out and get, if you got a freezer, you know, and freezers are getting expensive because a lot of people are doing this, get some meat, have some food on hand. You're going to see more shortages. We're already experiencing them. There's certain products I can't get. There's certain cans I can't get to can our meats because they're being gobbled up by the market. So there's going to be shortages. I wrote a book on this called The Great American Food Shortage. Matter of fact, let me put this in here. Search Amazon for the Great American Food Shortage by JR Fisher. Now I wrote that book in 2016 and it was my prediction that this could happen based on some type of world event, civil unrest, pandemic, whatever you want to call it, shouldn't have said that word, world illness. But I wrote that book to warn people about it, but not to scare them, but to tell them what they could do about it. So if you want a practical guide to having food and making sure your family's well fed and it doesn't cost you an arm and a leg, go get my book. Go get my book. The Great American Food Shortage on Amazon. Great book. That's a great book. I wrote it, of course it's a great book. Now I'm not being cocky or anything, but I did a lot of research and it explains to you why these food shortages actually happened. So if you're just curious about why, what's going on? Why is there a food shortage? Why can't I get stuff? It will go through, it'll walk you through the supply chain, the food chain, who controls the food in the world. It's a small group of people that control all the food in the world, guys. It's really kind of scary, but you should read the book. I'm just saying you should read the book. So I wanted to forewarn you guys. I do appreciate everyone being here. I wanna encourage you to give me a thumbs up if you would if it helps. It helps the YouTube algorithm, the Facebook algorithm. Also, don't forget to subscribe if that button down there is red. You need to click it, turn it gray. When you do it, a bell's gonna pop up. You wanna ring the bell, turn on all bell notifications here. Notified each and every time I go live. Guys, I thank you so much. You guys mean the world to me. I really, I love each and every one of you.  I don't do this part for money. I have other things I do for money. 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