So welcome to the June 3rd select board meeting we are once again in the band room at the middle school because town meeting is continuing into yet another session. So we have a number of things on our agenda tonight and we will get started. First up is a food truck license application for sloppy dog express so gentlemen would introduce yourselves okay and so we have your application in our packets and you have the new rental regulation the new food truck regulations that the select board approved in April so right so one thing in your application has you've indicated a couple of locations that you want to bathe and technically the locations that you indicated are sidewalk locations and you are so they're right you're a truck so you can't be on the sidewalk locations so it's important to understand that the the truck the on street locations are listed and you had checked off Kendrick Park I think in fact you can be at any of the three on street locations that's fine and you can move among those places for some kinds of carts that are just on the sidewalk we specifically approve their location but they you can't be in the same locations as the sidewalk do you understand what I'm saying we don't want to put any compromise in any of the businesses downtown nor any other vendors that might be there and this is what I explained to you I've been in the food service business right back I'm still I'm a manager for IOP and Springfield okay okay and I've been a manager for Denny's but I've been in the food service since I was 14 years old so I know you know if you notice I've got my food safety to register okay good I carry my car with me all the time but you have the master that I will be posting in the truck okay okay the only thing I have a question to ask you all if I can't be on the truck if I train somebody there is a fork they call a pick person in charge and I can give to them you know I sign it that they make trains they don't have to have the certificate We've never even dealt with that question, so we have to assume the answer is yes. Because I know the health department will. That's why I want that, you know, because of different regulations and different towns, you have to know these things. Okay. Good to know. Thank you. Yep. We don't have a problem with that as long as you comply with the health regulations, that's fine. So I just want to make sure that we're 100% clear on the location. You can be on the west side of the town commons south of Spring Street. Right. You can be on the west side of Kendrick Park. Now Kendrick Park is that big circle downtown. So I live in Springfield. I don't know where it is that well. Kendrick Park is in the northern end of the downtown. It's a triangle. Yeah, it's kind of a triangle. Yeah, right down there. When you're coming down the line and sitting right there. That's the town commons. No, that's the town commons. That's not across from our teachers. Okay. Right next to the light. I think that's right there. By Bertucci's. You'll have to look at a map. Look at a map and confirm. The other side of the park on the west side. I don't want to go into location. I haven't even been over there yet. Okay, yeah. So just make sure that you're only in the three locations that we've indicated in the regulations, which are also on the application. So the point is on the application, you've only chosen one of those locations, and then you chose a couple of illegitimate locations that are basically sidewalk locations. You have to ignore those entirely. You're not approved to be in the sidewalk locations. You are only approved to be in any of the three on street locations. So look at the regulations and look at a map and you'll figure that out. Okay. Okay. So other questions from us first is you're only taking up one parking space. Is that correct? Or is it a double length? Just one. Okay. And does your truck make any particular loud noises? Does it have a loud generator or anything like that? The generator is not that loud. Oh, wow. Okay. The generator is not that loud. Okay. That's a diesel. Okay. And you understand that none of the spaces are guaranteed.  And also, what was I going to say about that? Oh, you have to be putting quarters in the parking meters. If you're parking a meter spot as opposed to a permit spot, at the, right now the permits, town permit spaces are available to all. The town permits only run September through May. So you could be in a town permit spot in these same locations, no other locations without money. But if you're parked at a meter, you need to be feeding the meter all the time. Right. So, okay. I just want to make sure that's clear. Okay. So those were, those were my issues. Did select board members have questions? Diana? I don't have a question. But if you look at your license application, the first three would say on the street are the locations where you can be. And then the ones that are marked on sidewalk don't belong, are not where you should be. Right. You see they ask, do you have the application? Just cross those out. You don't. Yeah. So I just want to make sure that it's really clear based on the application what we're talking about. Okay. So the top three are good. The bottom ones are good. Yeah. Just cross out all the ones on the street because that's not viable. On the sidewalk. On sidewalk. Excuse me. On sidewalk. Thank you. You can't do that because you're attracted. You can't get any of those because. Okay. Okay. All right. Thank you. All right. I think we're clear on locations. Anything else? Questions or comments from you? Mr. Hayden? Yeah. I think we're going to have to follow the rules with the health department, especially in the police department as well. Right. The, we feel that there's some value in having the diversity of menu that the food trucks bring to downtown. What's going to be your contribution? We're going to try to bring hot water to all over the country. That's basically what we're doing. All different types of hot dogs. I've got several different ones like the Coney Island dog, the Chicago dog, the Southern dog, different varieties of hot dogs. And I don't think anybody's here to have that. And I want to put some sliders on there too. Just in case. The sliders are coming up here. So we're going to have that in chips. And then we're going to have sodas and water. Because I know a lot of, that's what I told them. I said, you got to put water on it. There's a lot of people who have that water than sodas. Now is the Coney Island dog the one that takes chili? Yes. And have chili as well? Yes. Okay. And I have a hot plate to keep it hot. I know the health department says 45 degrees cold. 40 degrees of low. Oh, yeah. Okay. Good. I want my food guy. Cold temperature is 40 above. And it says 140 above. And your date is over 41 to 140. I'm trying to go above, on top, hot, and below on the cold. That would be better safe. Food label will be done to specs and everything outside. A very versatile event. We have great faith in your ability to comply with the health regulations. So we're most concerned about the location and how it affects downtown businesses. Definitely buy by them. Okay, so you need to understand that this is a brand new thing in Amherst. And so we are just getting used to having regulations, having food trucks at all, having regulations. We have scheduled a review of these regulations for October. So it's possible that we could revise them at that point. You would be notified ahead of time. You would be notified ahead of time that we were going to review them so you could make any comment. And then you would get a new set of regulations if we were to make any changes at that time. So just make sure you have the regulations. Make sure you abide by them. Bring to our attention through the Select Board Office any concerns that you have about them. We might even be able to make some improvements. Absolutely. Me and in the Brestner business, in 20 years as I have, and being around, where there are a lot of abandoned areas, where there are food carts, food trucks and stuff like that, I know the benefits of them and I know the drawbacks. And that's where, if you could go with the benefits, the food trucks would make money. The drawbacks won't intrude to the trucks that would make money, because what happens is your local businesses will team up the action, and you don't want that. You want it to work together. So understand the regulations as they're written, because they are very specific, trying to address the concerns we raised. Among the concerns that are common are making sure that you don't use the town garbage.  The noise issues are concerns, let me think, the location issues are key. It's very important if there are special events going on on any of these places, because basically the three locations that we've allowed for the on-street trucks is our common and two parks. So they're all park areas. These areas are sometimes taken for other events, reserved for other events. You have that big fair or whatever is downtown. Correct. So sometimes those events also reserve the parking spaces that would otherwise be available to food trucks. If those meters are bagged as no parking, even if there's nobody in them, you can't be there, because that means they've been reserved for another event. So that's just an important thing to know about. That's one of the things I was going to ask you. Yeah. Okay. Other questions or comments from Select Board, before I ask these folks for your own questions or comments? Okay. Other questions or comments from you that you can think of at the moment? Mr. Crowe, grab it. Anything? Yeah. I'm from the business improvement district downtown. So I've grown to manage downtown. I think what the other questions that I had about your applications were very similar to the questions that were already asked. Once again, I have, maybe for October, is changing the way that that application reform lists the street and the side of applications, because it looks like you're supposed to check the street location. Oh, yeah. We can change that prior to October. We're already... The other question I had was, I saw on the application form at the bottom, it says probably like, it's required with this application, you know, State Hockey and Peddler, Town of the Primary, et cetera. And then I saw two of those five attached. I didn't see the three of them. I was wondering what those were in the... Okay. I'm sure you have the next one. Okay. This guy here. The workers' conference space is we don't have to have. Okay. The health prevent, we can't get until Thursday. They told Scott, we've got an appointment. I'll let the clock close again. Okay. But they said we had to go through this first. Right. Right. And he's got the other ones already. Okay. So the one and five, so the license and the station, what do you have in mind? I don't know what that is. What is that? I don't know either way. What is the license and the station? I don't know. So some of this is stuff the office deals with. So they won't grant the license until you've fulfilled these requirements. So I don't know what those parts are. Yeah. They're good. Okay. So Select Board is clear on what they're asking, the hours that they're asking for. If we receive significant complaints about, first of all, they're directed to whatever department we deal with them. It's conceivable complaints could rise to the level of us needing to call you in and say, okay, we're having issues with X, Y and Z. We don't anticipate that, but it's conceivable. But we would let you know that. So you'd be present for us to have that discussion. We want to be addressed because like I said, I don't want problems and we want to be able to rectify as quickly as possible. So you would get one complaint. You know what? Right to the right time. You got to complain call. You know what? They'd call corporate. We try to rectify that way. It improves your business. You know, because I got to tell people when they come into my restaurant, I say, you're fine. You know, this is my second home. This is the home that pays for my home that my wife lives in. All right. And when I'd write you into my home where she lives, I said, I treat you good. When I'd be inviting you into my restaurant, I want to treat you good too. But it's the same thing when I'm inviting to, you know, to our truck. I've been inviting them into my home. That's great. That's great. So I appreciate the attitude. We appreciate your understanding that this really is kind of something that Amherst is getting used to. And so that we may need to tweak it a lot of the way. Appreciate that very much. Okay. Anything else from Select Board? That's good. Ms. Diner, would you like to make a motion? Sure. I move that the Select Board approve the application of an on-street lunch cart license to operate Monday through Sunday, 11 a.m. to 2 a.m. on the west side of Kendrick Park slash west side of the town common south of Spring Street slash north and east sides of Sweetser Park. Could I ask for one change on that? One moment. Mr. Hayden? Second. Further discussion? You have a question? I just want to, on the time here, we could put the time earlier in the day, like 7 a.m. That's the case. If we get going, we don't want to start then, right now, but what it is, normally you're going to need an hour to get set up once you get to a point. So that's 10 o'clock. But later on, we're going to have to get to a point where we're going to have to get to a point where we're going to have to get to a point where we're not, but later on, we might want to be able to put a couple breakfast� as I speak about for people, if it goes over well, and we'd like to know if it was possible, if things were up a little bit earlier. Or should we apply the little later on or do we, we at least need ten o'clock to be able to set up the lunch. Ten o'clock? So I don't have a problem with that, just like what we've had with that. No, I would accept that. That's an amendment. You want to change it to what time? Ten o'clock or earlier? Well, 7 o'clock would be great. That'd be the earliest we'd set up. All right, that note would be set up to generate if there's anything else. It'd be actually 8 o'clock we'd start serving. So that's when the generator would be ready to go. So you'd only do that if you're opening for business at 8 o'clock? We're gonna start serving breakfast items. Okay. Otherwise it'd be 10 o'clock I'd be setting up. Okay, so let's work that into the motion. So 10 a.m. to 2 a.m. How should we do this? And with the allowance to open at 8 a.m. if they add a breakfast menu and are doing active business and breakfast, something like that, about that. Because our concern is you can't come in at 7 o'clock just to park in the parking space to make sure you got a prime lunch spot four hours later. It wouldn't be for just to be setting up. It'd be for business. Because so that's exactly the kind of thing that would draw a complaint. So it specifically says in the regulations, you can't be occupying the space when you're not doing business. Okay, so are we all clear on that, Mr. Heaton? We're clear, although I'd like to point out that really changing the 11 to eight would have, rather than with the lunch menu and everything else. And if that's important, and I tend to agree with you that it is, it really is a different menu than we've heard about tonight being applied for. I'd like to leave it at 10 and see you again when it's time to, and we'll have time to. Okay, if we're not having a problem, see us after a period, so we can go over the other.  Well, we have much. No, what I more care about is that we understand how we're regulating early morning setup and operation. There's something, having it generated even a quiet one starting at seven o'clock in the morning, which is possible, you said no, but that's, I think I would like that more time to think about that and to consider it. Okay. And I don't want to rush headlong into this as we're feeling our way through it. So I think that's perfectly reasonable. So I appreciate everything that you guys are offering and I need to catch up. Okay, so that makes sense. We have put a certain thing out there as what people might be commenting on, and so breakfast would actually add a different dimension to it. There could be people who would want to come and do it on. So 10 o'clock, I'm comfortable with that. Okay, so skip the whole breakfast thing. So the understanding is you come back if you wanted to amend that. All right, Mr. Aiden. Maybe I should let Ms. Brewer ask this question, but do we want to, we want to somehow refer to our regulations in the motion? I think that's, I think that's, that is stipulated to have to conform to the regulations. I try to listen, really, I do. Thanks, Sarah. Okay, further discussion. All in favor, say aye. Aye. Are you voting? Okay, four in favor. One at a time. Okay, good.  Thank you very much. We look forward to seeing your truck. Great. All right, next up, we have, all right, we've got untimed items. Thank you very much. Mr. Moreing has a couple of things for us. Okay, you can move to the middle seats just because you're close for a minute. Okay, so we've got the column thing, column sewer line, intermunicipal agreement, and then the discontinued portions of a couple of roads. So, no. Okay. Surprise. Okay, so tell us whatever you want to tell us and then we'll ask the question about other things. The column road is, Amherst Road is actually the issue I brought basically right now. We did the sewer line on Amherst Road in Pelham. We did it all the way up to the town line, all the way up to the water treatment plant. What happened is is Mass Highway in the town of Pelham are still negotiating and designing the road improvements that poems get ready to do. So, the road conditions changed four or five times and while we were sort of put back in the road after we dug the ditch and put the pipe in. We actually chose the easiest way because that was the last choice we had. We always liked the easiest way. Then Mass Highway and the designer came back and said, no, we want this. By the time they came back and said, no, we want this, we had already put the patch in and we were almost done. To go back and change it would require us closing the road down and doing a lot of convenience to the traveling public. So, Mass Highway and town of Pelham all came to the agreement that what needs to happen is we need to work this into the road reconstruction. So, we have money left over because we didn't finish doing all our work for patching. We were going to come back and put another patch on top of a final patch we call it. We haven't done it. So, what I'm asking you to do is give the town manager permission to enter into a municipal agreement, an inner municipal agreement, that we'll pay for the pack final patch in the Pelham road job. So, it's $210,000 of what the final patch will work out to be, that's the estimate. And Mass Highway will do the patch as they're doing the rest of the road work. So, it will be much better than us closing the road, digging it all up, putting a patch in. Mass Highway coming in and tearing the road out and repaving it. Okay, so the folks in Pelham and Mass Highway agree to this as a good way to proceed from their end. Okay, Mr. President. Yeah, I'm in total agreement with the approach and the cost of the town is roughly the same as if we had done it the original way. So, it's partly a timing issue and who does the work. The inter municipal agreement allows the monies that would have been used for that purpose to be made available to Pelham as they work directly with their contractor and Mass Department of Transportation to finish the job. And the road ends up getting done the way it needs to be done. Yes. Okay, questions or comments from select committee? Yeah, just, is the final product going to be great, good, as good as if it had been done the other way? The sewer lines would be great. I'm not going to think about that, but also the part that I see every day when I travel. The road will be much smoother. The project has gone through, the road project for Pelham has, has gone through many iterations has gone from a Cadillac version down to a Toyota, down to a Chevy, down to a backup begin to almost a Cadillac and a little bit more. So it keeps moving. And that's not what it hasn't actually, and the designer haven't actually finalized it yet. Will it be better than what it is? Yes. Will it be a good quality product? Yes. Okay, yeah. So it's not going to be, I think the Cadillac version is now out. But it's not the low, it's not the Ugo version either. Ugo. Okay. All right. Other questions or comments from select one? Ms. Burke. I'm sorry if I missed this. Did we, why does our motion not include anything about the cost? I asked about that. I just told you. So we've got a draft motion on the memo and we've got a motion on the motion sheet that are different. Mr. Miesant. The motion on the motion sheet is what is recommended by town council because the action is not approving the inter municipal agreement itself. It's giving me the authority to enter into an agreement. And we have a very firm estimate of 210,000. So the motion is drafted as adequate. I think we can make sure that we build into the minutes the estimated price. Okay. Excellent. How's that? So if it was, if it has some threshold you would come and tell us. Yes. Change of plans with Pellum. Yes. Okay. All right. Anything else from select board? That's nine. I move that the select board authorize the town manager to enter into an memorandum of understanding with the town of Pellum to complete the Amherst Road sewer trench patchwork. Second. Further discussion? I'll favor say aye. Aye. Aye. All right. So then we've got this thing about discontinued stuff. You don't know anything about this? This is a follow up to the town meeting vote. It's been days now. Yes. Since the vote is on me, that town meeting. One of the many action steps is a select board declaration of the discontinued road portion as surplus. So this is the same fragments of discontinued roadway that town meeting has blessed and planning board and everybody else. This is an action step you need to do. Okay. So we expressed our intent about this planning board we'd in blah, blah, blah, town meeting we'd in. Now we need to do this. But town meeting hasn't wrapped up yet. Does that matter? Wouldn't you wait? No. This vote can be taken before or after town meeting. So the timing is fine because it will be fine. Okay. So we're at step six. Finally, at six. I believe so. I like that. Step six of six. There's seven sub-sectors. Oh, there's three more pages. Yeah. Okay. Questions or comments from select board? Mr. Andrew. I'm going to miss this a lot. I mean, is this really, seven is really the last even though it's off the edge of the paper now. I'm sorry. We see this over and over again. Once you do this, the last thing to do is actually record everything that's been registered. I knew there was more. I knew there had to be more, but this is your last. But we don't have to do that stuff. I'm good. Thank you. Further discussion? On favor say aye. Aye. We have it. I was afraid that I was going to say that. This is fine. Here, you're cutting my roll out. It all runs together. I move that the select board declared that the parcels of land shown on a plan and title quote, plan of land in the town of Amherst, Hampshire County Bay Road, West Bay Road and West Street, altered and laid out by the town of Amherst, end quote, dated December, 2011 on file with the town clerk that are located outside the altered layouts of Bay Road, West Bay Road and West Street, which are currently held by the select board for public way purposes are no longer needed for such purposes. Second. Further discussion? Say aye. Aye. Aye. Four hundred zero one absent. Thank you very much. Okay, let's do these couple of other things that we can get rid of quickly before we get into things that are vaguely more complicated. So the common viturals license. I move that the select board approve the application for a common viturals license for Bon Appétit Management Company doing business as Bon Appétit at Hampshire College, 893 West Street Amherst MA-0100 to Monday through Sunday, 7 a.m. to 11 p.m. Kelly McDonald, manager. Second. Further discussion? Mr. Ian. Does this, I'm trying to remember whether we've approved a common viturals license for a different firm a couple of years ago. And does this supersede that? Do we rescind that? Or do we just let the two of them move along together as time goes on? They're changing their catering company over there. If it needs to be rescinded, I'm sure Deborah will bring that back to us. Okay. But otherwise. I don't mind if they have two common fixed licenses over there. It just seems like she might want to be tidied up. Yep. Ms. Burke. Yeah, it was my understanding that this replaces Sodexo, their current manager. And since it's not a liquor license, it's not that complicated. I understand. We'll have to deal with all kinds of complications about their liquor license. But this is just the common viturals. Okay. Further discussion? Oh, the favor say aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. Four to zero went absent. Committee appointment this time. I move that the select board approve the appointment of Damon Mallory to the Human Rights Commission for a term to expire June 30th, 2016. Yeah, it's supposed to say 16. Yeah. Could we please change that to 16? Because we're so late in the year that we'd really like to have the full term. And that was the original, you know, nice exchange. Second. Further discussion? Favor say aye. Aye. Aye. Four to zero went absent. Okay. So now we've got a couple of things to deal with. Let's deal with logistical issues relating to town meeting first. Mr. Wald is not here. So the question is who's going to speak to 43. Mr. Hayden and I have both been discussing that one of us might do it. Do either of you want to be entered in the mix for a meeting before you have a minority report? Yeah, I have a minority report. So it'd be most inappropriate if I spoke on both sides. So Mr. Hayden, would you prefer to speak to it? Would you prefer me to speak to it? Take three. I prefer, I don't know. I'd like to. You'd like to speak to it that way, yeah. Okay. So I'm happy to give it to you. So Mr. Wald did supply some comments and information about it. So we have that.  Okay. And likewise, Mr. Wald was doing some, if not all of the zoning, or maybe it's just some, I think Mr. Hayden already had some of the zoning, but so we're also sort of assuming that we want Mr. Hayden to take over Mr. Wald's portion of the zoning. Does anybody, that was my problem with that? Yeah. Okay. Mr. Hayden, it's all yours, unless you don't want any of it in which case I'm happy to take any of it. So you don't need to feel obligated. Yeah, you do. Don't feel obligated. It's good. Thank you. Oh, right. Then those are the logistical issues. Anybody else have logistical issues related to town meeting that we need to deal with? Okay. Then let's get into the other untimed items, which are preview upcoming summer meeting plans. You have a memo in your packet says 2013 summer meeting plans. And that is just to outline for you, give you a sense of what's coming up over the summer. These are things that are either anticipated with some reasonable sense of likelihood or that are part of our master calendar that kind of get carried over and this is how we do them when we do them. This incorporates the elements of the evaluation process. That's part of a different document and other things that we have talked about. We are going to be very short-handed at the June 24th meeting, both Ms. Stein and Mr. Wilder going to miss that meeting. So knowing that we had a bunch of things that we needed to do, but some of which we'd really rather have the full complement of us. Therefore, I tried to, and with Mr. Mecanti, to try and put those really critical things in the July 29th meeting. In particular, those are the update on the rolling green affordability situation. That was something that we had talked about. Mr. Mecanti giving to us at a June meeting. Well, if town meeting weren't going on for so very many weeks, that might've been able to happen. But at this point, the only June meeting that could happen at is June 24th and when we're down 40% of our membership, that doesn't seem like the right time to do that. Also, the update on medical marijuana regulations. At that point, we're expecting there might actually be recommendations for how the town should proceed, perhaps at fall town meeting with that. So that's something, again, that ideally we wouldn't want a full complement of us there for. The chapter 61, right of first refusal. This assumes that this situation would all be worked out by then. If it's not, then obviously, if that isn't ready for us to deal with then, then we clearly wouldn't deal with it. But just to sort of give it a place to potentially be dealt with that is there. So basically, I'm just kind of summarizing the fact that I tried to put the really critical stuff at that July meeting. The rest of it's pretty self-explanatory. I didn't mean to have any questions about what that looks like this time. There's no way we could move the June 24th meeting to June 17th. There's not. We're either still gonna be meeting for town meeting, which is possible, haven't helped us, or Mr. Musanti will be away then. And so it's, we're more able to do a meeting down a select board member than we are down a town manager. So, okay. Any other questions or comments, Mr. Hayden? Did you mean by July 28th, the week of July 29th, because that's a very full schedule. I just want to point out that we can expect that to be a good night. Yeah, so I mean, we understand that this is sort of the trade-off to meeting way less frequently in the summer. So I mean, plan for a nice long meeting on July 29th, but instead that means we don't have to show up other Mondays in July, right, Ms. Stein? I'd be very interested in the updates on the after-school program and on the new taxi regulations. So I'm, well, you'll have the wonderful post-meeting list. We hope it'll be fleshed out, or perhaps Mr. Musanti will have a couple of written documents that I can read. Right, almost certainly there will be documents for those. If you have questions about it ahead of time, you could send them in. And obviously we can do any follow-up that you would like to do at the July 29th meeting. Right, I think I'm just interested in hearing about those things. And the meeting will be broadcast, so you can watch it later as you recover. Okay, that seems terrible. What a lousy way to recover, much select for a meeting. Okay, Ms. Burr. I'm sorry, did you say that neither Wald-Norstein would be here on June 24th? Correct. You said, but yeah, I would second the idea that they're being written documents then, because then that just gives them more ability to interact, because I know that one of the last things I ever wanna do when I'm sick, and Mrs. Sluck, would be, is ever watch it when I'm well, and I don't think there are enough painkillers in the world to be able to do this for you. All right, so that's just sort of an outline, so you have an idea of what to expect. Obviously it's subject to change, things will be added, subtracted as necessary, but if you have any questions about that, then let me know. So then the next one is the, our evaluation calendar. That is essentially exactly the same as it was last year, updated with this year's dates. This year's dates and times and everything relevant. It requires me to get you the documents by next Monday's meeting for our consideration and approval, or for our review. We can have more comment and discussion about them on the 24th. I very much hope that I will have those for you on the 10th. I have met with Ms. Radway as we had talked about last year, following last year's evaluation process to talk about how to improve the staff questionnaire, and she had lots of great comments. I'll go over all of that with you in detail when I present that stuff to you next week, but I think you'll be pleased with that. So basically that, again, this is just sort of an outline of what the evaluation timeline looks like for this year. The critical date I will bring to our attention is Wednesday, August 14th. That will be the date by which I need your evaluation forms, because on Thursday the 15th, I will spend all day and half of Friday the 16th working on compiling those into our actual evaluation. So it's really, really critical that I have those from you by the 14th. So if you're potentially traveling or doing other things, make sure you kind of work that into your plans to get it to me earlier than that if you're going to be away or whatever. And again, this is unchanged from last year just updated. Questions or comments about that, Ms. Brewer? Again, and obviously the staff can read this first off, but to remind ourselves that at the Monday, the 24th meeting that you and Jim will both be missing, that's when we're going to approve the form itself. And so if Ms. O'Keefe is actually able to get it to us on the 10th, then that puts a little pressure on you to say, oh, but remember, I really wanted to change this one, I think. So you've got two weeks to offer comments, though. So please do. But that would be the time to do it because we would assume that when we walk out on Monday the 24th, when we're finished with that meeting, that aside from some tweaking based on what you talk about at that meeting, that then we'll be able to start working with the form. Yep, exactly right. Okay, anything else on that? Okay, then let's see, to talk about here, did all those. All right, so then that brings us to key information updates from the town manager, if there are any. Yeah, just real quick, article 42, Next Steps, the Edward Vellage Apartments article that was referred to Housing and Sheltering Committee. We are proceeding ahead as we talk about prior to consideration of that article and also directly with the Housing and Sheltering Committee. Next Steps, working with staff, working with the tenants group, Housing Authority, Mass Housing Partnership. Looking at Next Steps, we've had some fruitful discussions for example, with Mass Housing Partnerships about proceeding with a kind of financial feasibility and assessment, appraisal and one of the short-term, long-term potential capital or other needs in the property. So those are kind of the logical Next Steps of having good information in hand in which to have discussion with the owner and with potential partners down there as we try to preserve affordable units. Okay, somebody told me today that you might be speaking about those Next Steps tonight. I've been told that there might be a motion made by a town meeting member to reconsider article 42 tonight and so I thought if that unfolded that way that I would make clear to town meeting what I intend to do as town manager with your blessing as Next Steps to try to preserve as many of those units as affordable as we can. Okay. So I was, only if article 42 comes up tonight I was prepared to say something. Okay, the person I talked to said that they thought that rather than reconsider article 42 that you were going to speak to it but that might just be a misunderstanding. So, okay. I think that is a misunderstanding. Very well. Okay, question or comments from Ms. Nisbrue? And so perfectly timed is that the Housing Sheltering Committee met on Friday and they intend to send a memo to the select board asking, these are the things we'd like the town manager to report out on regularly so people hear it on TV. So people see that it's continually being done and it's just what he said only with some more details. And so that, I told them that made sense as their next step in terms of interacting with us to officially talk to us about it that way. And so they were drafting that on Friday. Okay. Any other key information updates from you? No. Okay. I'll just note actually I noted under logistical issues related to town meeting. I did have a conversation with a town meeting member today who was saying that they understand that there's going to be a move to dismiss the zoning articles and they wanted to know if they could come to us and talk about that and ask us to dismiss them. And I said, well, you don't need us to dismiss them. You can, any town meeting member can do that. I said that we don't have a public comment period during this time.  They were welcome to come and speak to us about this if they wanted to do it. It was unlikely that we would take a position to support a last minute dismissal motion for something that we had unanimously approved, but it was their option to come and sit and see if they want to talk to us about it. So obviously they opted not to do that, but I just wanted to let you know I had communicated that some sort of taking the pulse of the select board as I would imagine it, but also not promising anything on our behalf. So that may or may not happen. Who knows, Ms. Burr? So the, what you shared with them as you just said is that we would not be taking a position on dismissal at this point. That's not something, although it didn't seem like we needed to if we want to. We could, but we, I don't want us to because like you said we supported the items and I know that one of the arguments that's been brought forward and I'm sure the town managers prepare to speak to it is this idea that on video we were recorded as saying studies will be done before any other zoning is done, but what's the meaning of small zoning changes versus large zoning changes, et cetera, and whether or not how relevant that particular statement was at that moment in time. So that will probably be part of the argument, but obviously the town managers prepared to speak to that, so I'm not concerned. I don't know if you want to speak to that at all. If you get asked, and you feel like you have to. If you're fully in support of the planning board, recommend verticals. The town is spending an appropriate, large and focused amount of time on housing issues and has in earnest over the past several months with regulatory issues and studies of various kinds. The Housing Production Plan is out there in great detail, but on the town website we've got some preliminary findings from the housing market analysis. So I think these zoning proposals that have come forward are not contrary. There's a difference between doing absolutely nothing and taking small forward steps when we all digest and decide on what makes sense to do on Housing Production Plan issues. Ecovillage Apartments being one smaller example of that. So I don't see it as a reason to delay. Mr. Stein, did you have a question? I must have missed it and I've been away, but where are the preliminary marketing information or is that available? Is that posted on the, I don't remember, is that posted on the town meeting? The first stage is posted on the planning department website. I will check on that in a few minutes and I'll try. And as you said, it's on the town meeting page in terms of the reports that have been made to town meeting, people can also find it there. It's May 13th. The housing market one. Yeah, okay. The housing production plan has been online. Right, but it's the cover memo you wrote on May 13th with the accompanying stuff from the market study. Yeah. So it's on the back table too. Okay. Other questions or comments about town meeting issues? Anything from Mr. Musanti, Ms. Burr? I gotta put in a plug for the market study discussion. There is going to be a meeting on the 18th, Tuesday. Not a town meeting, just in case. Tuesday for the 18th from seven to nine, so that word's starting to get passed on that. That was just confirmed today. Yeah. Okay, but what does that mean? That's about, that's meeting with the, that's the consultant presenting some findings to the planning board and housing and sheltering committee. All right, anything else we need to discuss now? So we're clear that we are meeting again next Monday at six o'clock because that's when we're going to go over the, your introduction to the evaluation forms and whatever else happens between now and then. So we are meeting then. Town meeting is not meeting Wednesday of this week or Wednesday of next week because we do not have the auditorium on those dates. So should town meeting continue? I would think that in a rational world we should be able to end town meeting on Monday the 10th, but there is some possibility we could go, keep moving in and that would require the meeting on the 17th. Haven't helped us if we're still doing town meeting after that Wednesday the 19th would be another date also. Those are all at the bottom of your agenda. Ms. Brewer. As a completely random thing and I know we want to get out to the floor soon is associate with chapter 90 funding because the last thing we've gotten from the MMA said, yeah, you know, that's not looking so great. Was, I know that Kulik has sent out an email to town officials, which is somebody that's copying me on and just wondered it was Amherst writing a letter and I said, well, obviously our town manager talks with these folks all the time, but I know sometimes we write letters. I'm not looking at Ms. O'Keefe to write this one, but about, you know, making sure our priorities are clear, even though of course we know that Rose and Bergen's story know these things, you know, writing to the various people on these committees like Stephen Brough, et cetera.  Or are you fine with the way things are? What do you want? Been communicating when the governor's staff is going to be email reminding them that House and Senate are fully on board on chapter 90 at the level of 300 million and believe the tax bill working its way through the House Senate conference committee has adequate revenues in it to support road money at that level and that, urging the governor to work with the legislature to finish that effort. So is that so the answer is we don't need to write a letter? I don't think there, I don't think there's a need for a letter. Works for me. Okay. I'm happy. Anything else? And Mr. Hayden. I would like to move to adjourn. Yeah, without objection. This meeting is adjourned at 646 PM. Thank you very much. See you next Monday.


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They're on their way to the Nairobi Airport to meet Miss Tawawa. McGuffie for the first time. One thing I want to make plain, Dexter. What's that, McGuffie? I and only I give the orders about breaking up this dope ring in Hong Kong. No care. I take your word for it that Miss Tawawa is good at her job, but I give the orders, understood, Dexter? Oh, sure, sure. Well, here we are at the airport. It's 125. Now, your plane takes off at 2. Dexter, I'm not sure about the way you said sure. McGuffie, did you ever give orders to a woman? Sure. What's that got to do with it? Well, she's not here yet. Here are your tickets. Thanks. What do you mean? Well, Tawawa isn't your secretary. She's your aide. I understand that. Then you will also understand that taking orders from you may not be to Miss Tawawa's liking. Do I or do I not give the orders on this mission? You do. All I'm saying is that Tawawa may not obey them. Then she'll be fired. I can fire her, can't I? 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I don't appreciate your laughing about it, either. I'm sorry. Keep your feet to yourself. Oh, yes, ma'am. I'm terribly sorry. I didn't mean to poke her in the back. Oh, of course you didn't. What are you doing now? This here is called rowing. Like you were rowing a boat? You almost mugged me out of my seat. Well, I'm sorry, Mr. Wildwild. Maybe I'll do some elbow rocks instead. Is everything all right here? Oh, oh boy. I've just taken some exercises, stewardess. I could square to that, stewardess. It looks very strange. Wow. Well, high-flying workouts mean happier landings. That's his motto. Well, this is a plane, sir, not a gymnasium. Oh, you object? No, as long as you don't disturb the other passengers. Can I bring you anything, my dear? No, thank you, stewardess. That was the night of cash. Disturb the other passengers. Find kettle of fish when a man can't exercise so he'll feel fit. My neck. Well, now watch this, Mr. Wildwild. It's called head rolling. Not really, dear. 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Nobody has a right to look as beautiful and untired as she does at nearly one in the morning. That must be it. She exercised and she used a modified valve salvo maneuver to cure her earache without my noticing it. Now, dear Dexter, our flight from Nairobi to Bombay where this is written was uneventful. Miss Flora Tawawa, that's her first name, Flora, was aboard the plane when I got on. She's a pretty enough girl. Eurasian of Filipino Scotch blood born in Manila. But she is still a woman. You know my views. But I must reiterate, women have no place in the Drug Enforcement Division outside the typing pool. Certainly, when it's as dangerous as breaking up a dope ring in Hong Kong.  And is she ever secretive? She took exercises and used a modified valve salvo maneuver to cure her earache on landing. And she did it privately. I mean without letting me in on it. All of my objections to working with her are coming true. You can readily see that the least she could have done is tell me about it. Now, can't you? Mr. Magovsky. I'm typing a letter to Dexter Hamilton. It is time to board our plane. It is? It is. Why didn't you tell me that you had exercised? Tell you what? Or that you had used the modified valve salvo maneuver to cure your earache. I didn't essercise or use your whatchamacallit. I don't get earaches. Aches. What are you trying to do?  I am trying to do nothing. Oh, yes you are. Mr. Magovsky, all I'm trying to do is to get you to board the airplane that is flying off to Hong Kong. Soon as I end this letter to our boss, Dexter Hamilton. Yours truly, Arnold Magovsky. I'm finished. Are you or are you not catching the plane to Hong Kong? Soon as I get the lid back on my typewriter, Mr. Walla. See you in Hong Kong. Eventually. Will you wait for me? We're out of Hong Kong, Mr. Walla. You want to talk about how we're going to break up the doprin? Not right now, actually. I'm kind of sleepy. 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Where did you learn to fly a 747? I didn't. Oh, don't you cross out on me. Did it make things easier if I didn't see anything? Look, I was raised in Manila. I don't care where you were raised. I don't want to fly a C47 from my father. This is no C47. I know that. You probably never heard of them. They were two more pro-job. This is a very big share. Oh, so known as DC-3. Why can't I pass out? The lucky ones will never know what happened to them. Oh, there's the airport. Oh, why are all those lights blinking? They come on when they flap. Our lord and the landing gear is let down. Well, here we go. Close my eyes. Oh, Lord, the ambulance and the firefighting truck are going down there. I know one thing. Captain Boval always reversed the motors when he landed. First we got to land. Oh, what? Too high. Hello, Lord. Not too reverse in the end. You can open your eyes now. You did it, Flora. You did it. What are all those people waving at? You saved it.  I saved my own life. What is that man waving at? At you. Listen to the cheering. Oh, I'd better get back to my passengers and open the doors. You think it was really the lunch that made everybody pass out? You did it. You saved everybody. All the eyes of the airport were on you. All the eyes were on me. Oh, dear. I don't know why I passed out, but congratulations on landing the plane. Thank you, my God. But I think I know the reason you and everybody else passed out. Of course, I'd have passed out anyway if I knew you was flying. What'd you say? You ate that lunch, and I didn't. You said you knew the reason why everybody... Neither did Alice. Who's Alice? The stewardess who helped me. She didn't eat it either. What has that got to do with it? You see, all attention was on my landing at Kaitek. Where? Kaitek, the airport here at Hong Kong. Kaitek is his name. Oh. So since when has a woman not wanted all the attention she could get? Like now. The dope smugglers probably landed their plane without any attention whatsoever. What are you talking about? I thought it was a cover-up. Plane and simple. The dope smugglers knew all attention was being diverted from them, so they might slip into land. That's crazy. Why? Tawawa, you saved over a hundred lives that might have been lost if that plane we were in had crashed. A hundred or so lives mean nothing to the dope smuggler. If there had been a crash, their mission would still be completed. Well, that may be true, but... Certainly it's true. It's also true that I might have made it possible for the dope smuggler to land because all attention was on me. Mr. Tawawa. Yes, Mr. Mogofi. You amazed me. This British Grand Colony has an area of four hundred square miles and a population of well over four million people. Eighty percent of whom live in fifteen square miles. This land we are on is known as the Kowloon Peninsula. It was acquired by the British in 1860, and in 1898 they got more islands and a new territory on a 99-year lease. That means they've only got them for nine more years. Seventeen more years. My heart bleeds for them. Mine too. Mr. Tawawa, there must be a better way to break up the dope ring shipments to the U.S. than us watching planes at this airport all the time. I was wondering when you were going to come to that conclusion, Mr. Mogofi. Oh, you got a better suggestion? First, that we get a place of our own, rather than stay at the hotel all the time. Like where? Well, we could rent a little flat in Wong Tai Sin. Why there? It's where I stayed my last trip to Hong Kong. Oh, yeah, keep forgetting. You've been in Hong Kong before. Several times. Well, do you have any scruples about living with a man? I mean, well, it can get pretty chummy and one little flat. Bahala, nice. What's that? It's a Tagalog expression. Yeah? What's it mean? Konwatwe. Bahala what? Naich. Bahala naich. Bahala naich. How do we get this here place? The Wong Tai Sin? Come on, I'll show you. Street. Is anything built on the level? Climbing never hurt anybody. Look at them poles sticking out of nearly every window. I'm sick of them already. Hong Kong's national flag, Mr. Mogofi. National flag. Black pants, long johns, Braziers, and Florida knows what else. That's a national flag. Landry, Mr. Mogofi. Hong Kong's national flag is Landry. The Wong Tai Sin resettlement of states are very crowded, sir. You have a sign up. Somebody must move out. Yes, but it's a very small place. How small? It only holds two and a half persons. We'll take it. Wait a minute. How can you measure half a person? A child under ten. Oh, I see. Take it. Well, we will take it. Sign here? He said it was small. He wasn't kidding. There's a window. A window looks right into the flat across the way. That one must hold about four and a half persons. Well, I'm going out anyway. Where? To take the star ferry to Hong Kong Island. Then to guide one. Why? Mr. Mogofi, we are here to break up a dope ring. And you're taking a ferry boat ride? I am going to Grashwan, Mr. Mogofi. I heard of that place. Endless parade of gaudy dives and tawdry nightclubs. Where do you expect me to look for the dope heapers? On Bacon Hill? Well, why not? Expect me back about one or two tomorrow morning. Bacon Hill. That's the place to go. You got on at Bacon Hill? Oh, yeah, I did. Marvelous view from there. Oh, you are American. You bet. Are you tourist in Hong Kong for business? Oh, a little bit of both. Oh, he spotted us. Who? Who did? Those teddy boys. They're coming this way. Who is? Oh, hi there. Hi, man. Uh, you two are students? We're teddy boys. Give me a cigarette. I don't smoke. How about you, old man? I do not smoke. Then you give us money to buy some sinks. I have no money. Then you give us money. Oh, well, sure. I have just a little bit of change on me, but... We'll take that. 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I'll say, that boy has, has he been with you a long time? Well, Terry, you're about to use my right arm. Uh-huh. He's, what do you call him in Hong Kong, a teddy boy? I am probably no teddy boys. What is your business with me, please? Well, I represent a chain of stores on the west coast of the U.S. I see. And we'd, we'd like to place an order for your Eve dolls, say, 2,000 of them to be shipped immediately. Oh, that is not possible, Mr. McGuffie. Previous commitments keep me from overriding you, if you excuse me. Well, I, I, I want to know why. You boss me, Young. Sure, Mr. McGuffie. I'll tell you. Mr. Young? Yeah, I saw him. He refused to sell any dolls. I said I represented stores on the west coast. What are you doing? Well, I'm loading the pistol. That's what it looks like. Well, and you didn't have to ask, did you? I cannot hold off Mr. Young much longer. No, or you won't have to. I've already called the Hong Kong police. They're going to meet me there at the factory. 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Hi there, good afternoon. It's not going to be a dry session, so we're going to just run it. That may sound very very dry, but it's not. So I'm Don and I'm from Media Design School. More so run the year-to-year programs for the Bachelor of Media Design specializing in media design graphics. And I'm Simon Nichols and I specialize in interactive design and we have a missing member. Unfortunately, she's been called away for a family emergency and it's Lucy and she's responsible for the motion design aspect. So the three disciplines work together on a similar brief and today we want to talk about our experience with Auckland Museum that we just completed. So we're just going to run through this kind of structure, so we're just going to have a brief introduction how we set out the initial conversations, the process of the project, the outcomes that the students produced, and the reflections from both our side of things, Media Design School and the Auckland War Memorial Museum. So this project started about May of 2016, I believe. We ran it this year. So it was at the beginning of the year probably at the same time, but it took about a year for it to be set up. We had to Jenny Marshall, who was at the Auckland War Memorial Museum contacted or met one of our I don't know what her title was, Industry... Industry Initiative. Project kind of manager at a conference like this, and then the conversation kind of started and then eventually that produced a brief for the students. She was very interested in our take. We took a very different tag from other university pedagogy because we are very industry-aligned and Jenny was very interested to see what can be done as far as our conceptual ideas were formed by students who were between the 19 to the 25-year bracket using technology. And I think we're realizing we're not from the glam industry, but we're realizing that people seem to turn over quite quickly. And so maybe, I don't know, but Jenny's kind of left the museum, and then we got in contact with Johnny, who Dina Gistak, Nils, who you've seen talk maybe, and Brad Hawkins. And then we kind of started the project. So we're just gonna talk about the process. So the brief, the setup process took kind of the maybe the longest amount of time to sort out. Because obviously with Auckland Museum, they are doing a bit of a rejigging around their spaces. So we've had, they said, oh, we've got an opportunity for your students to come and engage with us with the spaces. But we also have, we are bound within the QA requirements as well for our degree. So we needed to make sure that it benefited both parties. Whether it's going to align with our learning outcomes, as well as giving our Auckland Museum the best outcome possible. Yes, and it was kind of a back-and-forth process. So it's several kind of meetings. And the we had to kind of work within our frameworks and make sure that the students weren't creating or the projects briefs that we gave the students weren't too specific, so that there was enough room for exploration. So for instance, Dina came to us. So we're just going to show you the briefs in a minute. But Dina came to us and said we want an app for this and we kind of went back and said well maybe we can take out the word app and we'll just have a project around what, you know, the event that you're organizing and let the students come to the conclusion maybe through UX design that they needed an app. But I think the biggest hurdle, the biggest hurdle was getting these youngsters to understand that the museum wasn't a boring place. When we first talked to them, their faces just went And we go no, because one of the briefs actually concerned a hoarding space because they were rebuilding the Maori section. And there was, of course, divided off the war memorial part of the museum and they said do something with this hoarding. The students' faces just went, oh, it's just panels of wood. What do we do? But so we had to align these briefs to really get them going. And in the process itself, the reason for sharing this experience with you is because we discovered that the students learned best when they're doing it themselves. We weren't on the ground telling them what to do. So these are the briefs. So these are the seven briefs that we eventually worked through which were making our digital collections accessible, turning the building works into a feature which we, at lunch yesterday, we put something onto the art wall. If you've looked at the art wall down... Upstairs. Down on the atrium. Upstairs, yeah. Turning the building works into a feature. Pre-visit school pack which was looking at customer experience of class visits. We had a wonderful children's interactives. Dinos education program. And this is one that Dina is talking about, the app. Dina runs the late program at Auckland Museum and she wanted to engage with audiences that are deaf and hard of hearing in a better way. So after we'd done that, we'd set up our initial briefing session so we brought the students to the theatre at Auckland Museum which is similar to the Soundings Theatre here. And there's Mills presenting one of the projects. And so yeah, we had all the students there. And then we let them loose in the museum that morning. Probably the first time. Yeah, five minutes, go! But yeah, so that was great to kind of bring them into the spaces and they were instantly kind of engaged. Yeah, so it was a team, they were separated into teams. So we had 12 teams and we had the seven briefs. And we told them, you get to only select one brief and the students all picked out of a hat. So they all went, oh great, hoarding. Fantastic. But strangely the students were fighting over that. The late. The late. The hard of hearing. Working with the people that are deaf and hard of hearing. Which I found interesting because that was the most complex problem I think in my mind. To me also I really enjoyed the, I really liked customer experience and UX. So trying to get them to work with the school packs. And my job was making it look pretty. Yeah. Just make it look pretty. Okay, so briefly show of hands. We know what design thinking is. Design process. I was trying to find, you've probably all seen the beautiful diagram with the hexagons. Yeah. I couldn't find the attribution for that. So I changed that. I did have the hexagons. But this is another one in the IDO's design thinking for educators resource pack. So if you haven't heard of design thinking or you haven't heard of IDO, look at IDO online. They've got amazing, amazing resources for design thinking with kind of methodology and activities and what have you. So yeah, design thinking is kind of a process of empathizing, defining the problem. Setting all limits in it as well. Limitations. Then ideation, prototyping and testing. So the students were going through that process. And this is the, I guess the less didactic part of this project. This is all they're doing. We've given them a brief. They are familiar already with the design thinking process and also they were second year students. So they're already familiar with the craft and their discipline. Then we've just kind of thrown them at the problem. So when the students starts engaging with the brief and foremost, so following the design thinking process, they thought of the problem both from the technological side of things as well as the consumer side of things. So we're not only dealing with Auckland Museum as the client, but we're dealing with its visitors. So as you can see from the glam sector, the visitors range from zero to 99 years old, male and female and something else. And all sorts, all ranges. So it proved to be very problematic when the target audience is so wide. How then do you address a specific design problem, providing a design solution to such a broad problem? So the student starts ideating and throughout this process, we've never told them to use a whiteboard. We never told them to use that. We never told them that technology has limitations. We just set them free. It says you can either be futurists and start thinking of potential technology that you can utilize in a museum space, or you can utilize current technology. So this isn't staged. I was super. I was really excited and happy to see the students pulling out the whiteboards in our spaces and just starting to use them. I'm just going to flick through because we're starting in 15 minutes already. So this is some of the technology that our students use. So this is a Trello board. I don't know if you've used Trello before. It's a free online tool for project management. It's designed for the Kanban method. But the students use this for their process and collaboration. So this is just two examples of the board. We use Slack with the students for communication. Another free online tool. So here was talking yesterday about lots of free tools. There's so many for achieving things. So we're just going to quickly go through slides of students working. So aside from the technological aspect of things, so the students collaborate amongst each other and they develop very competitive strengths from one team to the other. And that drove their own learning. So when some students say, we're going to do an interactive holographic display, then the other students will say, well, we're going to do something else. We're going to do light projection, mapping and all that stuff. So the students may come up with this fantastic idea, but we had the clients come in several times. So here's Johnny and Brad in a meeting with the students and the students are presenting their pictures and their prototypes and getting feedback from Auckland Museum staff. This is again, there's Lucy, if you want to know what Lucy's... Back of her head looks like, yeah, that's her. Yeah, the students presenting in our space and then Johnny testing out prototypes. So from the user experience, all the students were very concerned about was how is this going to form on their devices, like small handheld devices such as smartphones and iPads, or how does it work if it's going to be a large screen? Or is it going to be on the floor? Is there going to be projection mapping involved and stuff like that? So when the students finally did their final n-hitch, think sharp tank, so we told them you have to be very convincing in your presentation. So they also learned on how to present well as well as coming up with all this fantastical graphics. Sorry, I just hate this photo. Why do you hate this photo? It's probably my bald spot, isn't it? That's Simon, by the way, his bald spot. So we're going to show you a couple of projects quickly. So this is a team that was working on bringing the digital collections that the Auckland Museum has and making them more accessible to the public. So they came up with this system that was kind of like a Pinterest board that you would create as you walked around the museum. There would be stations, I don't know if you can see, no, there's no image of it, but there would be a little QR code next to the... Artifact. Artifact? So you would scan it with your phone, and then you'd come out at the end and you could then see your board collected in this. They looked at the photography that the museum had. They looked at photography, and they did these kind of flat lay graphics based on the collections. So they discovered that a lot of the collections were photographed in a particular way. So the students thought, bridal registry. You can build, you can curate and build your own collections and the outcome can be printed, displayed, or loaded onto your own device that you can carry out at the museum. And they did other collateral in terms of promotional materials. This was another project for the... It was a dinosaur. Was it dinosaurs? Yeah. And so this was more... It was aimed at a younger audience and you could pull the children, children could pull out these torches, then shine. And it triggers an interactive display on the touchscreen. Yeah. So they've conceived... This is very theoretical. So if you go back to that one slide here, all these torches here are locked in with a particular code that when it's pointed at, like say dinosaurs, pop-up windows will appear and maybe video feeds will also appear and it'll teach all... The students didn't actually make this but they did explore completely how it would be realised. And in the final presentation, they showed prototypes. So prototypes work and this was a video which I don't have but it showed the prototype. And then a third group, I think it was the same brief as the last one. They did a 360... It was an app that had a 360-degree view of the view from an animal.  It proved an interesting thing because one of the animals or creatures was an ant. So it actually went into the ground and up onto the trees and it was very exciting. But in yesterday's VRAR session, for those who've attended, talked about the potentiality of a bendable screen. Things that bend... They exist now. It's still not publicly accessible but the students looked at it and go, hey, we can do something with this LED screen that's able to bend. Students are really engaged with cutting-edge technologies. And so they were looking at things like bendable screens, they were looking at VRAR and they might not in the space of time would be able to realise a project in VR but they were prototyping. They identified quite a number of problems, problem areas. They also identified potentialities for such a technology. And so, yeah, it was amazing. Even though some of them we couldn't launch right away, it was something that we could consider later on. So the last section, we're just going to quickly talk about the reflection from us as lecturers and the Auckland Museum. So from our point of view, what we're trying to do at Media Design School is to connect with industry and have real-world experiences because we're trying to create students that are... Our motto is creating students that are prized by industry. So, yeah, we really enjoyed and we found it extremely beneficial to work with Auckland Museum. The students are very engaged and produced a kind of great variety of kind of work. Yeah, I think at the end of this experience from the students' perspectives is that they no longer view museums or stationary artefacts as boring. They look at it from their generation into this sort of space and it becomes their space when they are more engaged with it using a device or digital means or whatever. It's no longer something that is just beyond them. It's a Roman vase and they look at it and go, what is it? Instead now they can say, we can use technology, digital accessibility to bring this back with them and that's what they feel that their generation benefits most out of spaces such as this. I think the benefit from us is that having... Actually, I'll go on to the refiction. One of the things that they said, which I should have said at the beginning was that the bureaucracy within our media design schools was very low. They mentioned having to work or trying to work with other institutions and that the layers of bureaucracy were so much that they couldn't get access to the lecturers to create these projects which was very interesting because there was like one layer between us and Jenny. Some of the things that they said was that the time investment was actually larger than they thought. So we had, you didn't see a picture of Dina there because she was kind of really busy. They also said that actually we kept it kind of as quite a small project. So, Johnny mentioned that it would have been good to have someone from management or executive involved in the pitching process at the end so that there would be better buy-in because he said that if a manager had seen some of these projects it would have shifted what the Auckland Museum was actually doing. So that was a really great bit of feedback that we were actually doing something that had a lot of impact on the projects that were in place for the museum. Also, one of the things was that the project was very self-contained so there was no other content other than the presentations that the students made. And so next time what we might do is create some kind of exhibition or other to further promote the work. Yeah, it leaves quite a bit of a few questions. For me, I find that it opens up more questions actually about how sustainable if we rely on new technology all the time for novelty's sake or archival's sake then how do we make it new all the time? You know, so that is something that maybe if we continue working with Auckland Museum maybe that's something that we can work into the briefs as well to address how do we then keep up with technology and keeping everything abreast? The briefs weren't open enough I think we realised at the end. They were too specific but Johnny said they should have been further targeted into a specific audience. The audience were too broad or actually just left up to the students. The museum did present us at the beginning the demographics so we knew that it was young mothers and then older people that were the audience for the museum but they did say that actually getting young adults like 18 to 25 year old people and was beneficial for that kind of creating something for that audience. So in terms of the Auckland Museum and I assume a lot of other glam sector people need to connect with tertiary education and so this was a really good way for the Auckland Museum to do that. That's it. We've got a couple of minutes I think for questions. Three minutes. Does anybody have any questions? Yes. Did the crate thing get made into an app? No so it was all prototyped. Students only had 8 weeks for this. They came up with amazing ideas. Can they steal it? The students did prototype it to a workable app but it only was a few layers in so they were only just pitching the idea but they wanted to make it look like it's working. This was a high fidelity prototype. Yeah. We do. Our students are in that. And this is Mandy? And she's also from Media Design School? Yeah so you can't steal the idea. So you come and talk to us and we might negotiate a plan? A plan. Yeah. So the Auckland Museum when they sat down for the proper pitch the sharp tank pitch, they were very excited and they kept saying could you play it back again? Could you play it back again? There was a video with us in that. It makes us feel excited because there's some content there that really excites both parties which is great. Join me in thanking Simon and Don. Cool. Thank you very much.