Everybody, tonight we're having a triple threat debate where the speakers can take it wherever they want and we are starting right now with Kaz's opening statement. Kaz is speaking on behalf of atheism tonight. Thanks for being with us, Kaz. The floor is all yours. No, sorry, had the sight playing in the background. All right, thank you so much, James. So this is a treat on Monday debate. Rarely do we have three brothers debating at the same time. What exactly are we here to debate? Is there a God and if so, who are his chosen people? We all three share a kinship with the history of this country. Our ancestors were brought here against their will, their labor and the fruits thereof stolen from them. They are very humanity stripped from them for generations. Our brethren, even in the emancipation, their rights and dignity still held out of reach in some parts, even till this very day in the land of the free. It is a kinship one cannot deny regardless of the social constructs, the theories, the jargon, the pleasantry we build around it to cope with the reality of America. So of course, the story of Exodus rings triumphant to us. It is uniquely appealing to anyone who shares kinship with this history. The parallels are obvious. A population of humans held in chattel slavery, unjust persecution for generations. The heartbreaking story repeated again of humans oppressing humans in mass, first in Egypt and then in America.  How do we as a species keep making this mistake? Especially considering that these people had this story. They knew the story of the emancipation of the Hebrews and they still chose to be the Egyptians in the modern day reboot. It's insane. Well, let's not forget that even though the Hebrews were emancipated, they still continued to practice slavery. Yes, they had nice slavery for the fellow Hebrew slaves, but they still enslaved POWs, virgin girls, poor foreigners, yada yada. Their hypocrisy is of biblical proportions, literally. But put a pin in that. Let's not forget that as we proceed. Of course, we, the descendants of emancipated Americans, identify closely with the Hebrews of Exodus and they're applied against the oppressive Pharaoh. And of course, this gives our culture something to cling on to, a symbol of hope. It's nice to feel chosen. It's a good feeling, feeling special, feeling like something, feeling like the whole universe was made just for you. It's cozy. It's not just the black Hebrew Israelites who indulge in this feeling. It's all of us. Christians like G-Man too indulge in this feeling, buying into the notion that this world is the center of the universe, that they worship the one true God, et cetera, et cetera. It's even exhibited by us atheists who get personal satisfaction from owning theists in debates. It's all the same basic narcissistic impulse at its core. But we who are the descendants of enslaved Africans, we who are the descendants of enslaved Africans who were forced at the lash of a whip to believe these fairy tales. It's kind of a betrayal, isn't it? To our ancestors, to the ones who were actually suffered these lashes, buying into the same fairy tales that enslaved the minds of our ancestors just to feel special.  I don't blame either of you. I understand. We all wanna feel special, don't we? Black, white, everyone else. Do you know the white colonial settlers were Israelites too? They called America the new Jerusalem.  Me here flapping my gums on the internet, like my opinions and thoughts are worth two shits just as you two are about to do. Just trying to make ourselves feel special on some level, aren't we?  How absolutely mundane. There is nothing less special than feeling like you're special. You know what's actually special, not feeling special. Recognizing that you're not that special. Sure, you've got your eight typicalities, your idiosyncrasies. We all exist on the axis of many, many different spectrums, but we are all basically the same. We're agents, we want to survive.  And if you can get that by making up a religion, guess what? We're animals, evolved, walking, talking jizz. It doesn't matter what century you're in or what continent you're on. There will always be walking, talking jizz trying to make more jizz by getting protection from other jizz so we can have the luxury of security. Luxury of security while we find a warm place to impregnate with our jizz. Make money, amass power, be a hero in kind, be cunning and wise, be handsome and charming or make up lies. That's the kind of male. That kind of male is where every religion in history comes from. So let's forget this book and forget this feeling special. Let's cooperate with each other and everyone else and actually be special. And that's my time. Thank you very much for that opening statement, Kaz. And we're gonna kick it over to Judah. Thanks for being with us, Judah. The floor is all yours for your opening as well. Thank you, James. And a piece of shalom to the modern day debates audience and shalom to the tour nights and the Israelites who are watching. I don't know what Kaz is talking about, but listen. Yeah, so I'm Judah Nazar from the tour nights. You know, I'm a member, one of the founding members we've been on YouTube for almost a decade. We're primarily Torah based, but we have New Testament brothers. We have Muslims. We have Nation of Islam members. We try to shy away from the Black Hebrew Israelite title because we have also a so-called lights in our group. Some of our lead vocalists are so-called light people before we do Israelite music. So basically, like I said, we're Torah, Dead Sea Scrolls, you know, Tanakh based, called Old Testament. I am, there are brothers who are New Testament. We approach the Torah and, you know, the Tanakh and the scientific application and not religious.  We beat up Greek thought.  That's pretty much it. I don't want to be long-winded. Just didn't know that when you come against Judah Nazar on the tour nights, you're going to get your trachea stomped out, but I'm going to keep it clean because it's my Shabbath. My punching bag G-man, well, you're up next, brother. Thank you very much for that opening as well. Anne, I want to say a couple of things first. If it's your first time here at Modern Day Debate, we're a neutral channel hosting debates on science, religion, and politics. We hope you feel welcome no matter what walk of life you were from. And also do want to clarify, because I didn't mean to. Judah had let me know before the debate started, said like, hey, I actually don't like to be called a Black Hebrew Israelite. So I do want to apologize that we did not mean to paint him into a corner in any sort of negative light. It was more that, over emails, I was, the way I had interpreted it was that Black Hebrew Israelite was, roughly speaking, the position that he held. But I do want to just say that I did not want to be biased by putting that as he let me know that. And so I do apologize for that. That's something that I can work on. And I also want to say, we're going to kick it over to G-man for his opening as well. Want to mention, last of all, that G-man, Kaz, and Judah are linked in the description. So if you want to hear more from any of these guys, you really can right now by clicking on those links. But anyway, Judah or G-man, thanks for your patience. The floor is all yours for your opening as well. All right, great. Hello, everybody. My name is G-man. I have a YouTube channel called G-man. Ministries called Preachings that Acquire Ministries. It's interesting listening to Kaz as opener about how atheists are cocky about crushing us Christians. And Judah Nazareth calls me as punching bag. But I specialize on my YouTube channel at educating people on how to destroy these Hebrew-Regulate arguments before they even get started. I also got my name in the beginning with going back and forth with atheists during the great debate days, which we won. I just want everybody to know that when we proved that God existed, when we proved that evolution was a farce and when we proved that atheists are narcissistic, like I might have to do today. I don't know. I really don't know what we're gonna talk about. I just want to have a respectful conversation. Hopefully we can find some common ground in this conversation. And I could be a little more fun choosing the long-winded way instead of just pulverizing these guys with a couple of sentences. But like I said, let's see what happens. You got it. Thank you for that opening statement. And we're gonna jump into open conversation. As mentioned, folks, the guests can take this wherever they want. So whatever they want to address with the other guests, they can. And with that, the floor is all yours, gentlemen. So I want to ask what an Israelite is. A descendant of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. They're not all so-called blacks. We have whites, Israelites. We have Asians, we have so-called Africans, Arabs. Israel is never a homogenous population. We always mixed. I'm in Japan right now. I'm just my wife over here. He's a Japanese. And my little bad kids look like Filipinos, which are some of them in Israelite. So yeah, that's essentially what an Israelite is. But I have a question for you, guys. Your position for atheism, are you, because in Greek, the A signifies the negation. Are you saying that you acknowledge that there is a God, but you just don't serve Him? Or are you saying we're just like here and there's no intelligent design, no prime mover? I reject the premise that there is a God. And based on what? Does that make sense? Like, if you propose a premise that there is a God, I reject the premise based on the lack of evidence. Okay. I have a question for you real quick. Have you been to college or high school or anything like that? Yeah, I graduated from a Baptist university, actually. Okay. When you studied, did you use your mind? Did you study a lot in things or? I did. So you do know the chronologies that were Hebrew. You do know the Hebrew word for mind is spirit, right? I did not know that, no. And the so is the Greek psyche, you know that, right? I did not know that, no. So you're kind of admitting that you believe in God because you have a spirit and it has to come from some source. No, no. It's not science. No. Just because the word originates from Hebrew or whatever term, it doesn't mean that's how I'm using it. But you are using it.  You're saying that the word psyche, as I use it today, means spirit? Yeah. What does spirit mean? Spirit, your mind. A spirit is a mind? What is a mind? Your mind is that your brain's function. Okay, well, I mean, if that's what you wanted to find spirit as, then okay. Well, then so you're denying you use your mind. No, I'm accepting your definition. If that's what you want to define it as, then I accept it. Fine. Have you ever read the scripture? Is that the Bible? Yes. I can't read it. Yes, I've read it, yes. I'm just hoping to get up. This is a $9 billion to knock. Have you ever read this, like read the Bible? I have read the Bible, yes. And what does God say he meets you? What does God say he meets me? I'm not sure which scripture you're referring to. All of them. He says, I test and examine man. What does he do that? Are you saying he meets me in my mind? Of course. Okay, so how do I know that he's met me in my mind? You don't know. He knows, he's acknowledging you. So he's acknowledged me in my mind and I don't know it. Yeah. So what am I supposed to do with that?  If you reject him, he'll just turn from you. Okay, well, I can't do anything with that. Yeah, you can. You can repent and come back and seek the most high and live, but because just denying the basic reality is nonsensical. I'm not denying reality. I'm rejecting a premise. What is your idea of God? Like, do you think it's some man with a beard sitting on the cloud? I think it's a sentient mind, right? It's a mind, ethereal, non-corporeal mind of some court. So a temporal mind, right? That's the concept I have in my brain. That's the premise that I reject. I don't think that that's coherent. But you have a mind, so why wouldn't there be a mind greater than yours? My mind is generated by my brain, and my brain is physical, and that's real. I know physical things are real because I encounter them all the time. I don't encounter non-corporeal minds. I've never done that. If you show me a non-corporeal mind, then I will then expand my idea of reality to include non-corporeal minds and then God is then totally possible, and then I can't reject it anymore. So you just deal with things that are physical? I deal with things that I encounter. If I encounter non-physical things, then I accept it. Well, have you ever seen, have you ever encountered an eskimo? I've encountered evidence of eskimos. You've never encountered an eskimo? No. So then they don't exist to you? I mean, I have reason to infer that they exist. But you're right. I'd have never actually met an eskimo. So they could not exist, I guess.  I'm sorry, I'm sorry. You would throw somebody out of college for being intellectually honest about something? That's intellectually dishonest. Is dishonest to admit that you're not necessarily 100% sure that something that you've never actually seen is actually real? Yes, because if I ask you, what is the meaning of it? Oh, okay, I'm sorry, go ahead, Jim, I'm so good. No, no, no, go ahead, Jonathan, I'll wait till you're done.  That's what I'm gonna come up with. There are things that exist that you just can't perceive with your physical sense. Such as what? Where's the wind come from? The wind, I can't perceive wind. I don't feel it on my skin. Yeah, what's its taste? The taste of wind? What's its texture? The tech. What's its smell? I feel the wind on my skin. Whatever that texture is, I can't describe that for you, but I feel it on my skin. So I have perception of it. But you use your mind though, right? When you got those grades in college, you did feel your, you know, you used your mind when you were using the height, length and width, which is your knowledge, wisdom, understanding to the capacity. Yes, yes, I don't know what your point is. Well, then, well, wait a minute, but you used your mind, that's not physical. What do you mean it's not physical? My brain is physical. You can cut open my head and see it, if you want to. Listen to what I'm saying, sir.  Just like the muscle is not my strength.  Then what is my mind? Your, the brain's function. The brain's function. Yeah. Okay. Okay, so the function of my brain is my mind. So my mind is based in physical. I mean, you have a physical component like the biochemical. A component. Yeah. Okay. But hold on. There's a part that you don't see. You can't smell it. You can't taste it. You can't feel it. You can't put it in physical terms, but it exists because you apply it. You're doing it right now, trying to reason to understand what I'm saying. You're doing what God does when he created everything. He said, I use my knowledge, wisdom and understanding. And when you went to college and you were studying, you were using the accumulation of facts. You began to reflect upon them, and then you began to understand. And then that's how you got your degree and just that and the other. So you are doing the basic functions that God did. So when a car drives, it's driving is its function. You're saving that a car driving is not physical. The car moving is not physical. It's not physically moving. You see how that doesn't make sense to me. The movement is not physical. You can't taste it. You can clock it's movement.  What? Let me answer. Have you heard of a, I know, bro, listen, beating up atheists is just too easy. Let me answer your question, sir. I just don't know what physical means to you now. I don't know what that means now. Physicality is things you can touch. Well, just to help you out a little bit, June and Nazareth, just to help you out a little bit. Sir, you just said that you don't believe in God because you don't believe he exists. How do you know if something exists or not? I didn't say that. I said, I don't believe in God because I have no way of... No, I didn't say that either. I said, I don't believe in God because I have no evidence of him. Oh, you have no evidence. Okay. No real evidence. Do you have evidence that a singularity expanded and that was called the big bang? I do. Okay. And what evidence do you have for that? I have the evidence that the scientists have provided me. Okay.  I did not.  Correct.  I have, yes. Yeah, sure. Okay, great. A singularity. What is a singularity? It is a point of maximum or no, minimum entropy. Minimum entropy. I think I could be getting that backwards. I'm sorry. Okay. So you're saying that minimum entropy got really high and expanded and that's your evidence that the big bang happened. I'm trying to understand what you're coming from here. Where's your evidence that there was a big bang? Is it cosmic radiation? Is it the planets? I don't have any. Look, I'm not here to present evidence that the big bang happened. Like it could have not happened. Right. The big bang happened. I think, no, no, I don't believe that the big bang happened. I think that is a high probability that it did happen. But I could be convinced that it didn't happen. I don't have faith that it happened. But the point of the matter is that you believe give my soul to the big bang or is it that? The point is that you believe it happened. I think it happened. I think it happened. I have some evidence. I don't think that it happened. Somebody in the white jacket told you that it happened. Yeah. Because they have a method that I think is more reliable than faith. Okay. So let's go to our theologians. Okay. Regarding God, we have historians. We have archeology. We have a bunch of different things that point to an intelligent designer, which we would call God. What archeology points to an intelligent designer? Let me finish. Just let me finish. We have archeology and we have history and we have your pseudoscience, which is what I believe you guys call evolution. We have your pseudoscience that all point to an intelligent designer. It doesn't point to the things that evolution points to. I'll give you an example. One of the things that I talk about on my YouTube channel is how we have these different planets after the bang and how some of these planets have appointed moons. For example, Earth has one moon. Jupiter has what? 10, 20, 30. We don't know exactly how many because it changes every year. But the point of the matter is we know that this planet has these many moons and those moons serve a purpose. When I was growing up, I was told that the moon that we have was there to regulate the oceans and things of that nature or whatever. Every single year, new information comes out and the old information is proven to be wrong. How do you get these moons assigned to these planets from a random accident that happened in outer space as opposed to an intelligent mind that would have appointed these moons to these different planets? I have no idea. This is why I say intelligent design makes more sense than evolution. And that means that we have a good reason to believe that there's something out there greater than us and we call it God. I'd like to hear your argument against that. I have a question real quick. I'm sorry, Kaz, let me interrupt. Kaz, my wife was asking, she was like, perhaps you went to a Baptist college. Christianity will bug you out. Are you atheist because of Christianity? It is basically a witchcraft, is that why you are atheist? Is it because of Christianity? No, not necessarily, I guess. I just haven't been presented with a God model that makes sense to me. You can convince me of a God if you give me a model that makes sense. And so like G-Man has given me a model, the teleological model argument, right? You're saying that the- No, intelligent design, intelligent design. Sorry, you're saying that, no, isn't it? You're saying that the- That an intelligence is responsible for the planets in the assignment of the moons to these individual planets. This is nothing to do with Christianity. There's everything to do what you guys teach us about science. But you're saying that- Hold on, hold on. Hold on, hold on. You're saying that the- Let me get- You've already said it all. You've already said it. You've already said it. You said that the planets and everything else is so well perfectly designed that it must indicate an intelligent designer, right? That's not what I said. I said that we have these planets. I talked about the moons and how there's a certain amount of moons appointed to these planets. Your- Evolutionists would teach you that that happened. Actually, they can't explain the science today. You won't know scientists will. We'll actually explain to us why exactly Jupiter has more moons than the Earth. To this day, we really don't know. But if these moons serve a purpose and the intelligent designer had to put them there and it couldn't have been some random thing because we should have got like three moons. I don't know. Mars should have got 40. Jupiter should have got 30. You know what I mean? It should have been like that. So you're really just arguing about the moons? No, I'm arguing that we see design and creation. Okay? You're gonna argue that you don't believe that God exists because there's no evidence. I see evidence of his existence through his creation. When I see order in his creation. When I look at your worldview, your worldview does not have order. Your worldview has chaos. It has explosions. And it has accidents. Okay? What we see every single day is that life comes from an intelligence. We see order coming from intelligence. We never see it coming from a random explosion or a random expansion or anything like that. I would like to hear your explanation to why you believe more in evolution and a godless cause for life and for the order that we have as opposed to an intelligent designer. You claim that we don't have a model and we certainly do. Okay, I don't see the order that you see. I mean, I do see things in an ordered kind of sense, but the way that you're describing it, everything's so perfectly ordered and intelligently. Like I'm just, I'm at a loss for the unintelligence of this quote unquote order. We live on the precipice of extinction and annihilation constantly. Like this place is a chaotic mess.  What are you talking about, man? Where's the order? Where's your evolutionary explanation for why certain things happen in these than the other ones?   We can't live in our oceans. What are you talking about? Where is your explanation? Where is your explanation? Where's the order? Why Earth has one moon and some other planets have more moon. I would love to explain the order, but what order are you talking about specifically? But why Earth has one moon and why Jupiter has 16 or 13 or 40? I have no explanation for that, bro. I don't. I have no question. Sorry. But you believe in the bang. So again, you can't sit there and say that we don't have a model or we don't have a good reason for believing that God exists. I believe that God appointed those planets to have those moons for a specific reason. Whereas you believe some guy in some white coat told you something, therefore it's true. And you can't even articulate to me why that's true. I could articulate to you that the scientific method can provide with more reliable results. You can use that method and apply it to other things. Just today, me and my children flipped a coin 100 times. We got 49 heads and 51 tails. And I explained to them before we ever did that about probability of the 50-50 chance that we would get 50 heads and 50 tails.  I understand the faith, yes. I understand that you have faith that that was gonna happen. I always understand that you operate on data. When Einstein did his mathematical equations and told us about all the different things that we would find in the cosmos.  That's prophecy, bro. What are you talking about? All I know is that actually to give me some science and all I got is emotion. So, Judah, let me ask you a question, Judah, because we haven't talked in a while now, okay? Regarding the Hebrew-Israelite thingy. I'm not a Hebrew-Israelite, sir. Okay, before this started. Okay, so before this thing started, I had said to you that I believe that the Hebrew-Israelite is a religion and it is not a culture or a people or anything. Now, we have a disagreement there. That's all I find it well. But why don't you believe it's a religion? Because I'm not a Hebrew. Being an Israelite is not a religion. Hebrew-Israelite, that it may be a religion. But I'm not a Hebrew-Israelite. I'm an Israelite. I'm just in my nationality. I don't do religion. But I have a question for you. You still worship the devil or? I don't worship the devil. The devil would be the adversary against God and I worship Christ, who the devil is an adversary to, so they can't be the same people. Even atheists know that. Oh, okay. Sir, can you just point me to the Torah where it says Christ, sir? Where is it? I can show you in the New Testament where it says Christ. You can go look in John chapter one, where Christ is talked about. You can also look at it in the Gospel of Matthew, Mark, Luke and John, if you want. You can go look at those if you want. Order of Christ is mentioned there multiple times. Then there is the epistles. Then there is the letters. There's the book of Revelation. Just saying. You made a blanket claim that Torah was the only place I had to look to get Christ. Sir, you're crazy. Sir, listen, get it calmed down, buddy. I got it.  Sir, I ask you a question. Where is your God in the Torah, sir? Where's my God? Oh, in Genesis chapter one, verse one. Can you get that? I wanna see Jesus Christ in there, sir. Can you get that? Okay. Oh yeah, I got no problem with that, yeah. Oh yeah, no problem with that. I mean, I thought I'd have to show he loves it. I thought I'd have to show he loves it because you would have got this by now, man. I don't know. So here we go right here, okay? It says- Does it bother either of you guys that God couldn't make this clear to you? He made the button to be clear. Why are you guys arguing about this book? I can bring a theistic evolutionist in here and a biological evolutionist in here and neither one of you will agree on everything that you guys believe, hence a bio Genesis, so don't even try it. Genesis chapter one, verse one says, in the beginning, God created the heaven and the earth. And John chapter one of verse one, says in the beginning was the word and the word was with God and the word was God. Let's try this again, Judah and Nazareth because we have this conversation before. Sir, sir, you're speeding, sir, slow down. I get it. I know you're nervous, sir.  Right?  Is that why the Torah nights are destroyed and done?  That's all this is about- He always- You mean like you was trying to do earlier? You mean like you was trying to do earlier? Sir, G-man, you got brother. Well- Just matching your energy, bro. Yeah, sir, can you show me where it says in the beginning? First off, let's go to John real quick. In John one, what's the word used for word? Logos. Did that originate from the Hebrew word or is that a Greek word? That's a Greek word. Who came up with that ideal of the logos? Well, Greek, as you have been told, there's a billion in your time. Oh, sir, not a sermon, sir. Who came up with this concept of the logos? I'm not giving you a sermon. I'm answering your question. If you want- I'll always give a sermon, bro. Okay, the predominant language at the time of Jesus was Greek. Do you understand that? Jesus was speaking Greek, sir? Jesus was speaking Greek, sir? Aramaic, Greek and Hebrew, yes. I believe you can speak every language ever made considering he was there when their languages was confounded. Being part of the Godhead in the world. Sir, I'm gonna have to ask you to stop lying on Jesus. He did not speak Greek, sir, stop. And two- Yes, he did. I asked you who came up with the concept of the logo, sir? If Jesus didn't speak Greek, Judah Nazareth, what was the predominant language during the time of the Romans, Mr. I went to school? I didn't go to school. I'm a college dropout. I went to school. I went to school and I know that the predominant language during the time of the Romans because they were this group called the Greeks. Alexander and the great who conquered the world before the Romans did. And then the Romans became the superpower and the world was speaking Greek at that time and everybody in their mama including the atheist community knows the New Testament was written in Greek. Of course, you don't know this, but- Sir, I didn't ask you that. Kaz, you went to Baptist college. Who came up with the concept of the logos? Because G-man here is dancing as usual. Came up with the concept? I don't know that. I'm sorry. Okay, it was a Greek philosopher called Heraclitus. Yeah, I do not know that. G-man, can you show me Heraclitus in Genesis chapter one? Oh, man, this is great. This is great. And the Old Testament was, the Old Testament of which you would, the first five books in the Old Testament that you call the Torah and the rest of us call Torah is actually written in Hebrew but the New Testament is written in Greek. If you don't even know that, then you're not gonna laugh while I'm talking to me. Sir, can you show me Heraclitus in Genesis chapter one, sir? I don't have to show you that. All I gotta do is show you how they're speaking in Hebrew. You can go to blueletterbible.com and you can look for yourself after you look at any words you want in the Old Testament minus a couple that most of them was written in Hebrew. Sir, this is why you keep getting beat up by the Israelites. I just asked you a simple question, sir. And there is one to agree with you about Jesus is the word and all this. I just asked you, where's Heraclitus and his concept of the logos? And he was talking about Zeus, by the way. Can you show me Heraclitus in Genesis chapter one? Because you want each other to hear that. You are arguing with me that the New Testament is not written in Greek. I don't need to say nothing else. Literally everyone's laughing at you right now. Bro, Cas, am I bugging? Is this guy avoiding- No, no, I would love to hear Cas say the New Testament wasn't written in Greek. I would love to get that on record. I would love to get that on record. No, it was definitely written in Greek. But what is the question here? I'm really confused about what you guys are arguing about. No, he was- Me too! I'm trying to figure it out. I said, hold on, it's really simple. I said, I said, because he worshiped the devil. And I said, here is your God in the Torah. And he used Genesis one. But the word Jesus- I'm so tired, y'all. Not in there. Then he went to John one. And I said, okay, that word, what the use for word is the word logos or logos. And I said, who came up with this concept of the logos? He didn't know- And you said, Heraclitus, right? It's a man called Heraclitus, who's speaking of sins. That's not what I said. I said that- You said- He said Heraclitus. Okay, okay, wait, wait, wait, wait. He's saying Heraclitus, came up with the word logos. Neither one of you know the Bible. Neither one of you know the Bible. Don't notice in that real quick, again. Okay, so what about Heraclitus? He came up with the concept of the logos. What about that? The Book of John applied that concept to Jesus. How do you know that? Cause I study, just go look up the origin of the logos. No, no, but how do you know that it came out of Heraclitus and went into John? Cause John employs the logos concept of Heraclitus, but it's just a word, right? It's just a Greek word. It could have just been commonly used and- It's just- The concept. The word Israel is used in the New Testament too. I should have had some fun with them with that, but I'm not gonna do it. The concept of has not the word. I still think it's quite a leap, don't you think? No. It's because the word is in two different books. Doesn't mean that one stole it. No, listen to what I'm saying. I didn't say the word. I'm talking about the concept of the logos. In the beginning was- How was it? Okay, what's the context in Heraclitus? Heraclitus is applying that to Zeus. Yeah, how did he say it? They say it just like that? Yeah, just like- Listen, even though- In the beginning was the word of Zeus and the word was with Zeus or something like that? He didn't word it exactly like that, but the same ideal, the whole concept is from Heraclitus. Just like an example. I mean, if there's like linguistic parallels, then that's a good argument. I mean, I would- Well, you're talking about linguistic. I'm talking about the concept. Yeah, but I'm just saying like if you see other parallels besides the concept, then that's corroborating evidence that you're- Of what you're saying. Or I'll give you another example, right? Paul of Tarsus. He employed a lot of Greek philosophy from Greek philosophers, like I forgot the names. He knows that right now. He knows what I'm talking about. Paul uses lots of Greek philosophy. G-Man. I don't know what you're talking about. You do know what I'm talking about, sir. G-Man. If I can pull, I don't know if you can share. I'm not gonna share, but if you're every time where we can like share and I pull up showing that Paul uses all these various Greek philosophers and teachings to teach Christians, you're gonna stop worshiping Satan, deal? Okay, I don't worship Satan. Yes, you do. No, I don't. Yes, you do. Does Satan mean adversary? Yes, but I don't worship him. Are you adversarial to the Israelites? Oh, I personally believe people like yourself and the camps and the moderates are full of it. And I don't think you guys are Hebrew or Israelites. I think you guys are confused. And I think you guys need to try again. That's what I think you guys need to do. And I can prove that half asleep and you know it. Okay.  Oh, I'm not an Israelite. So then what am I?  I'm a black man, sir. Does my skin look black? I'm a confused black man. So confused. Well, yes, yes. G-Man. Oh, so my skin looks black to you. And when I'm clearly, this book is blue. Sir, your skin is brown. See, this is what Satan does to your brain, okay? He makes you just a buffoon. You're not black. First off, do you know the etymology of black actually means pale? Did you know that? No, brother. Okay, sir, listen. Okay. We use words- So is that a yes or a no? So could you know the etymology of black? We use words, I'm trying to answer your question. And I could be quiet if you want it. Sir, you gotta stop with the witchcraft, sir. It's sad. Do you know the etymology of black actually means pale, bleached? This is what I know. I know that we use words to describe each other. That's what- Genetic fallacy. And I know that I have been described as being black. I don't have an issue with that. It's like James has been described as being white by other people, okay? The only people that I see getting sensitive about this particular thing is black people because they don't wanna be identified as being black. You wanna know why? You wanna know why? Because they wanna deny their African culture in their African history. That's why you're trying to steal Israel's history because you ain't no Israelite. You're fake and abroad and you need to rip it. Oh, so you're an African? I come from Africa. I have African descent, yes. From what country? Ah, I believe my descent has come from Jamaica, I think. Jamaica's not in Africa, sir. You gotta be- I know that. James, I'm blaming you. Why'd you put this person with that? But Judah, you don't come from Israel, right? Yes, I do. Well, no, I'm- Like you don't have an Israeli passport, right? No, no. If you did a 23andMe DNA test, you wouldn't have markers with a bunch of people from Israel, would you? I mean, they don't have DNA from ancient Israelites. I mean, you did say at the beginning of the debate that Israelite is somebody who comes from the lineage of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, didn't you? Yes. So that means that there's some kind of DNA shared there, right? There should be DNA. Show me that Israelite- Everybody does. Everybody does. Show me the DNA, the Israelite that they tested to say with this guy here, and then everyone's gonna match up. Bear in mind, remember, we mixed. By the way, just because somebody has DNA from Abraham does not mean that there is an Israelite. Can you stop cutting me out a little bit? Abraham, the word Abraham actually means the father of many nations. He's also the father of the Arab nations too. Let's get that out there, okay? Yeah. Where do you come from in Africa, sir? Jamaica's not- Specifically, I don't know what specific part of Africa, but I do know that my descendants come from Jamaica, and if I do enough research, I can know specifically where they come from Africa. And you wanna know what I care about more than that. I care about the fact that in Christ, there is no Jew, there is no Greek, there is no male, there is no female, there is no rich, there is no poor, but we are all one in Christ. And if you would stop blaspheming the Holy Spirit and stop blaspheming the Lord, you might be able to get saved, my friend. Sir, nobody's saved right now, sir. And you're worshiping the Lord. I'm saved. I'm saved. I'm worshiping Christ. I'm not a Mormon. Can Christ help you answer a direct question? Your goddess can't help you answer a yes or no, or he's gonna have you shuckle bucking and preaching the sermon every time I ask you a question. I don't fall for strawmen. I don't fall for strawmen. Sir, you said you're an African. I asked you, what country do you come from? And I said to you that because I traced my ancestry back to Jamaica, I don't specifically know a part of Africa. Do you understand what I just said? So then you might really be a white man then with dark skin, because you don't know where you're going from. If you want to believe that, I have no problem with that.  Given the history of our country and the transatlantic slave trade, I think that's a ridiculous ask. Not to mention, sir, you yourself are part white, considering that our women were raped pretty often as slaves. So don't go there, okay?   Exactly. So wait, wait, wait, wait.  She's not Chinese, she's Japanese.  All right?  I'm just getting more specific about what you're talking about. Sir, do you know that I'm so-called black and Puerto Rican? So I have white in me too, you know that, right?  So your argument is- It's not like a mutt like me. It's not like a mutt like me. The only pure people are people like the Tua who don't really mix out. Everyone else is mixed. So your argument- It's not like a mutt like me. Sir, stop. Can we get to another argument? Sir, let's move on from that, that's a great idea. So, G-Man, you see a lot of intelligent design in nature, right? And I don't, right? How do we resolve that? Well, the way we resolve it is by, when I see something that I believe is designed and you believe that it is not, and it can be explained scientifically, the burden is on you to be able to explain to me why I'm looking at, what happened for naturalistic causes and no supernatural cause was involved with it whatsoever. Your mind wasn't involved. Now, you and Nazareth don't know how to make that argument. I do. But go ahead.  I didn't know evolutionary biology was crap, but thank you for listening. I'm just being colloquial. I'm just saying that I am not a scientist.  So what can we do? I mean, is that what's really necessary to explain it? Do we really have to go get a PhD to do it? If you don't have a PhD, see, this is my argument, Kaz. If you don't have a PhD and you don't, I'm sorry, not my argument, my problem with your worldview, okay? If you don't have a PhD and you can't explain the science to me, you have a faith. No, wait, wait, wait, wait. What you're looking at happens through naturalistic causes because you can't explain it to me scientifically. I totally understand why you say that. I have faith that a mind is involved in it. I get why you say that.    You're here regurgitating to me the stuff that has made sense to you throughout your life, right? So we can either go back and re-litigate all that stuff or we can try to- It goes back to what Judah Nazareth said. It goes back to what he said, which I agree. I believe that and don't take this personal, okay? Because you don't believe that I believe in a guy. You believe that I believe in a fairy tale. It's what you said in the opening statement. Don't get offended when I say this. I believe like Judah Nazareth that you're being intellectually dishonest about your position, that you hold to faith more often than you think you do. For example, I believe that the big thing was a supernatural event. Because can't none of you guys scientifically explain to me where the, how the thing happened or where the singularity came from. That's where all the I don't knows come from. You know what I mean? So I as a human being have the right to point these things out and I have a right to be able to say, it looks like a mind was involved with that because of the complexity of the universe. No, I get why you say that because you probably have a meaning of faith that isn't probably too far off from what mine is, but it's probably just slightly different. And that's probably why you're saying that because faith is, what does that mean to me? Like it's just, you know, believing something based on an incomplete knowledge, right? No, there are, no, no, no, no, no. Let me change my answer. Yes and no, because there are different definitions for faith. There's blind faith. The person who just like, for example, Judah Nazareth is not gonna believe Jesus is Lord simply because I said it. There's gonna be some readings, some research or whatever that needs to be done. He's ever gonna change his mind. If I'm gonna change my mind about his claims, he's gotta present evidence for it. And that's what he's doing. Christians are no different, okay? When a pastor preaches something to us, we are looking for evidence that's going to please us to be able to show us that, that the claim that being made is true. Like for example, you tell me that Jesus existed. Well, if I go home and I go to my history books and I don't see no evidence whatsoever in history at all that Jesus of Nazareth never existed, that ever existed, I'm gonna reject everything that the pastor told me as just being fairy tales or whatever. I don't believe atheists do that. I don't believe atheists actually go and do their own due diligence to be able to go out there to see whether or not there's evidence for the claims that we make. For example, I'm making a claim that the bang itself, okay, that the singularity that expanded had to have a mind involved because of the circumstances on why it expanded, the laws of nature, okay? And not violating any of them, the speed at which it happened, how you didn't have certain materials and how things came to be. All of those things come into question when you just come out and say, well, I believe that a singularity expanded for a long period of time, then it cooled down. And then as these chemicals came together, you know what I mean? It started forming this and forming that. And you gotta show me proof of that, buddy. And can't violate the laws of nature when you do that. You know, can't do it if it's science. Now, science is not involved and you have to at least consider that a mind had to be involved with, with this mind, and this is what you, I believe what you and Nazareth was trying to say, will bring everything together. I don't disagree with everything that you and Nazareth says. I agree with him about the idea that a mind is responsible for bringing everything together and not necessarily just some random causes. Because when you say random, and when you start saying that the bank, you've got to prove it scientifically. And I've been in a role with a lot of smart people and none of them has been able to do that. Okay, so like what you just said, I think that there is a reasonable case to be made that a mind could have been involved in the Big Bang if that happened, right? So, especially like if it's only one Big Bang, if this is the only universe that exists, right? If this is the only continuity of time space, the space time, sorry. But then, do we know that that is the case? I don't know, right? I'm looking for further evidence of that. Like, let me be more intellectually honest with you than I was earlier, right? Because I think that I was a little less than honest. There is certainly a correlation. There are certainly some similarity in nature with designed elements. I can't say that you're insane for seeing design in nature, okay? I'm not gonna say that. I see where you're coming from when you say that. That's what I'm gonna say, to be honest, okay? But there's also things that I see around me that look like this doesn't make any sense. I hope that you can see where I'm coming from with that, right? Like I said before, going out in space and not being able to exist for most of existence or going out into the water and we can't, all the other crap, right? But, well, I'm trying to get to- Can I be honest with you for a moment? Can I be honest with you a moment? Can I show you from your perspective? If you, and I've been in the room with Erica, I've been in the room with Thunderfoot and a lot of these other sport people and whatnot, right? But the one thing I can say is that when I hear evolution is talking and they say that we have a lot of similarities with what they call apes or monkeys or orangutans or whatever, there is a lot of similarities between human beings and prime apes or apes. So when we begin the conversation and they said that we have similarities, I can see it from their perspective. My problem is when you get to the cellular level and things like that, that I'm not getting a satisfactory answer. So I understand where you're coming from with things don't make no sense. We looked the same, we almost exactly 100% behave the same, but I got problems on a cellular level with the claim that evolution is mixed. So I get what you're saying, but I believe what happens in these conversations is, is that the atheists and the Christian or the Hebrew or Zoid or whatever, atheists have an issue with admitting that faith is involved. There is an element of faith in the conversation because we just don't know. None of us can go to court and say, here we go. You know what I mean? You can't do it and I can't do it. But the point of the matter is we have to say it's a little bit of faith involved. I appreciate that. I'm gonna say that they're hesitant to use the word because of the association. And I think that's what you're describing. The phenomena that you're describing is a hesitation to acknowledge that nomenclature. Though the word faith is just, you know, icky to atheists. But what I was trying to get to is just that even though there's that element of design that I acknowledge that you can, you're not unreasonable for noticing, right? If that is a possible explanation for everything, right? When I am then presented with the claims in the Bible and I'm analyzing them for logical consistency and trying to relate that to the world that I'm living in now, I'm still finding a lot of inconsistency, right? And I'm not seeing a lot of evidence of divinity there at all. So then I'm left wanting for any kind of evidence for that intelligent designer specifically. So then I am left saying, okay, maybe there was an intelligent designer, but then again, maybe not. So what evidence do I really have for it? I just have this hypothesis. Well, let's explore it for a moment. It could be a divine person, it could be God. A lot of people don't know this regarding the intelligent design argument. It was actually made for the ancient alien theory. So in reality, if you wanted to be a jerk, you can argue aliens. The only problem with that is now is that if you bring aliens into the conversation, they become super humans. And then it destroys your atheistic argument at that point. And I think a lot of atheists know that when they're having this conversation. But the point of the matter is- Wait, wait, wait, I'm sorry. What did you just say? I'm sorry, I missed that. I believe that a lot of atheists know that if you bring aliens into the conversation, right? And let's say the aliens had the technology to create this singularity or whatever, they would become super human at this point because we clearly can't do that, okay? And at that particular point, you have to equate a God into the conversation. It might not be the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, but the point of the matter is you have to equate something that's super human into it. You know what I mean? Or super intelligent in it or whatever. And I think atheists know that when we're having these conversations. And I think the biggest mistake that they make is when they don't consider at all that a divine intelligent mind could have been involved with creation. I think if more of them did that, a lot more people would be more open to listen to what they have to say regarding how they see the cosmos. I really believe that. But because they shut the door and don't even try, we can see Baloney from a mile away. We know when somebody's not considering anything. And it's funny because when I debate atheists on whether or not God exists, this is typically what I say and why. I say that they know that God exists, but they suppress the truth about God and their righteousness. And all that means is that they're not considering all of the information that they have before them. That's all I have to do with them when I notice or when I see that they're not considering all of the information. And at least today in this room, you're one of the few who's actually acknowledged that a mind could be involved, okay? The thing for you to do now is to test that with the laws of nature and with actual science to see if it was possible that this could have been a random event, you know what I mean? So if you're not gonna do that, then there's Romans one all day. There's Romans one all day. It'd be interesting to see how we could.   Yeah, Judah. Come on in, Judah. I do wanna know like how we could do that though. Reverend G-Man's always given the long sermon. Long-winded, you know, makes no sense whatsoever. I wanna ask G-Man. G-Man, where's the spiritual world, sir? Behind time and space.  We don't have any instruments that presently exist to be able to test the supernatural world. Not even the most powerful microscope can actually see it from what I understand. However, I believe that it exists by faith and not blind faith. It is based on the claims of scripture and the things that we see based on those claims. So you don't understand my question, do you? Yes, I do. Well, I mean, ask me, where is the spiritual world? It is behind time and space. You and I are living in time and space. The spiritual world is behind that. Can you expand on that, please? What do you mean behind? It is behind time and space. It is not in this reality. It is in a different reality. Some atheists describe something called the multiverse. Hold on a minute. Some atheists describe something called the multiverse where there's this universe and then there's something behind this universe and then behind that universe and behind that universe. What we're saying as Christians is is that the spiritual world is behind time and space. We live in time and space. I'm sorry, not behind, my bad. It's outside of time and space, my bad. It's outside of time and space. That's what the spiritual world is. Judah. I'll be answering it, man. You know what I'm doing. Dude never answers any questions, bro. Like, never. It's just circular. It's just... How am I not answering your question? You asked me where it was. I told you it's behind time. That was beyond time and space. That's what I said to you. Okay, space. When you say space, do you mean like in terms of like distance? The material world, my friend. Time and space is the material world that we live in. And your time is given by the, you know, it's not, signs are for like the moon and the sun, but you know, you're saying time and space, but I'm asking you like the location. It's outside of time and space. You and I are living in time and space. We're in these rooms right here, right now, right? You're in your room. Kaz is in his room. I'm in my room. James, I'm sorry, is in his room. You know what I mean?  Everything is measured by time and space. You know what I mean? And the spiritual world is outside of that. If you don't, if you can't understand that, I can't really... Well, you're not really helping me. So if a baby asks you, gee, man, where is the spiritual world? You're going to give him this long sermon? Just give him one more... Yes, it's behind time and space. You do know what time is, don't you? Okay, so... You do know what space is, don't you? Okay, so do you mean like distance? Height, length, width? Like, come on, man. I'll tell you what, dude. I don't even know the sense, sir. So let me... I guess I'm not making no sense. I'm sorry. Well, you're really not. This is what I keep saying. Like, I'm not saying that actual historical figure, quote unquote, Jesus was a bad guy because he was teaching what I teach. Where's the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob? Where's the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob? He's the creative mind. He's everywhere at all times. We live... So where is he?  Where is he? Sir, do you understand, sir, that the spiritual world is not the brain, it's the mind? No, I understand that we have a mind. I understand that we have a mind. I understand the argument that you made earlier. Sir, calm down. I also know what it means to be omnipresent. I'll go on mute, man. When G-Man's here, he's just never fruitful, man. He does this all the time. I don't understand how that, just because the mind is what the brain does, doesn't... I don't understand how that means that it's non-physical. All right. Physicality is an outward, and it's a second and third step. The first step is always mind. The first step, when you want to create, or let's say, if you want to make pancakes, you're going to get your spiritual world starts going through its process.  That's like the first step.  Then you're gonna go through the stage of getting it together until you bring it into manifestation on the physical plane. That's why I'm asking, where is the spiritual world? It's here. This is the factory or the place of imagination, ideas, reasonings, judgments. These are the knowledge, wisdom, understanding, contemplation, reflection, and using. This is the spiritual world. It's here. So when I ask G-man, where is it?  I'm not even an atheist, and that's when I recall. This is why if I was gonna argue as an atheist, I would say that you're using your imagination. You've got a problem with your argument, Judah. And the argument is that God, for first and foremost, atheists understand that our claim is that God is omnipresent, right? If he's omnipresent, that he can't just be in the mind. He has to be, he has to be, hold on a minute, hold on a minute. He has to be in a room with you. He has to be in a room with Kaz. He has to be in a room with James. He has to be in a room with me, and he has to be in a room with everybody else. Sir, you're not making any sense. You're giving a sermon as usual. What I'm saying is, and what Kaz didn't understand, where you missed your opportunity. I don't know why you're laughing.  He said, the kingdom is within you. Not out there, not over there, not up there. He said, it's within you. You have to acknowledge of yourself. And yourself is not your physical, corpial being. It's your inward self. That's what, this is what I'm saying. His religion, and this is why I understand why atheists are kind of like, like church-hurt and bugged out because you guys fail to provide an explanation to where they're like, you know what? That's scientific. I can apply that. I understand. Because if you actually listen to Jesus and himself when he's teaching you, he's teaching you about the inward man. Paul tells you this. You're talking about out there, out here, and this, bro, what are you talking about? So that's what I'm saying. You're not spiritual, brother. You're calling. Okay, so I'm gonna concede right now. I'm gonna concede right now. I'm gonna concede. Sir, you've been speaking more than everyone else. This man believes what Jesus said, though. Sir. I thought he was the devil. I wanna give just a little bit more time to Judah before we come back to you. I promise we'll come back to you, G-man. But go ahead, Judah. I know you had, sounds like you had another point to make. Thank you. G-man's very long-winded, maximum-long capacity. The reason, this is what I'm saying. A lot of people who are atheists are, you know, they're like, yo, you know, like a pastor, G-man's not providing a good explanation as to my spiritual needs. Like everything is physical. So I'm just saying that to say, like, you know what I'm saying, this is the spiritual world. And it's a universal consciousness of those who have tapped into it. Is, you know, like there are certain things when you understand this concept or this place that exists inwardly, that we all should at least share or at least understand, then you understand, you know, brother, right? But as long as you have guys who are always talking about, you know, out here and out there, then, you know, you're gonna get into these circular arguments between Christianity and atheists because you're always talking about outward things. So I'm just saying to say, everything, when you see like a flower, it had to start off as a germ, then it came into a seed, then it blossomed into a flower. So things, you know, there's a spiritual thing, the spirit part is first.  I always use this. Man and woman create, continue the process that God did the most time. They continue it. Animals, on a level, I'm not sure they're going necessarily like in a thought process wise, but more of a kind of, not habit, what's the word I'm looking for? I can't think of the term I'm looking for, but animals don't have the capacity of thought, the capacity that humans have, right? So let me give you an example of how it starts here first and then it manifests on the physical plane. When a man and a woman, or when the man has that desire for a woman, he is trying to do the do with her, right? Then he shoots his strength into her, right? And that's his strength, it could be the little word for like, in the quote, he would be like, so raw, which means like his strength or his seed, right? It first, it started here though. It wasn't manifested into the second part until it manifested as sperm, semen, I'm not sure if you've over it, right? And then it goes to the period gestation, which is also at the mind conception in the woman's dream with water and this that and the other or this is all mathematics, whatever. And then that baby comes out on a physical plane. It begins to be born here on earth, right? On the physical plane. So the physical part is the latter stage. Everything starts with this first. Now, when I say the most high did that, this is exactly what he did. He says, I created everything with knowledge, which is not man gives the knowledge, right? The accumulation of facts to strength, wisdom, which women typify because their wisdom is a reflection, right? It's like looking at the water, because you're not looking at your physical stuff, you're looking at your spiritual stuff and then understanding which bond could be like boy or girl, you know what I'm saying?  This is all mathematics. And again, it means so much on the wrong one. Mathematics means to think. We use numbers from mathematics, but it initially means to like think science means just to know, just accumulation of facts. And you can make these are religions. I'm not going to be long with it, but those are saying we're g-man and fail to explain properly to atheists, the spirit world because then they don't reject science all together. Then it's like, well, you can't really stand on science. You start to study neurology and psychology and things. Okay, okay, okay. So God exists in the mind. Yeah, well, he exists anywhere.  You said that. Yes. And God exists in the mind, in the spirit world. Well, for those that he choose to dwell in. Because I totally believe that God exists in the mind. I accept that 100%.  Just hold on just so I can see that debate. You see g-man is shaking his head, but yet he says he believes in the book. But the most high says, I plumb man's heart. It doesn't use the word brain or mind. I plumb man's heart when he means the mind to examine his ways, right? To give man his recompense according to his deeds. He didn't say I knock on the door and I get binoculars and I spy on him. No, he checks your inward thought. So while g-man is shaking his head, no, he don't believe in the creator. He believes in something else. So I understand my atheists get bugged out from guys like Gino. All right. Can I respond? Can I respond? Okay, cool. Okay, so earlier, I'm a little confused. See, earlier in this conversation, you said that I wasn't worshiping Jesus. I was worshiping the devil. Now you're telling me to listen to Jesus because what Jesus said was actually true now about apparently God living in our minds. Shoot a Nazareth. Do you consider yourself to be a scientific person? I believe in knowledge, yes. Okay, great. If God lives in the mind and the mind is inside the brain, where was God living before Adam was created? God doesn't live anywhere. He's life itself. Look at his name. Yahuwah means, you know, he is. He is life itself. You live in the, what does song that say? Yo, the heaven or the highest heavens can't contain you much less this temple that I have built. And what was that? You know, I know you don't really believe in the scriptures but remember Solomon's temple in the Tabernacle is what? Gee, man. What is it? Okay. So just to get back to the original point. Sir, sir. The original point, hold on a minute. I'm not going off topic. The original point that I brought up, the original point that I brought up was is that you, not me, made a claim that God lives inside of the mind. You made an argument to cast and I'm going to defend him here for a moment. If I was an atheist, okay? And I just heard, you say that God lived inside of a mind which I know what that leads to is basically he's a figment of our imagination. You don't even notice what you just did. Okay? And he's shaking his head. Yeah. So here's the thing, Judith. If God lives inside of a mind and that's where he lives, right? And the mind is inside of a brain and then the brain didn't even exist until Adam was around. But then where did God live? And then you choose to ignore that all together, say, well, God's life himself.  He's outside of time and space, dude. Wake up. Sir, this is what Satan does to your brain, okay? Your frontal lobe is messed up. Sir, most high is life itself. Paul even tells you this. He says, we live and we move inside of God and we do. If the heavens and the highest heavens can't contain him that he's in places, he's in all places. Now, let me just phrase the word. I would like to make a statement. I wasn't done by the way. I would like to make a statement on what you said earlier. Let's let's let's do the finish and I promise to come right back to you, or a G-man. Cause I never finished. Yes. It's crazy. Just let's give Judah maybe 20 more seconds we'll come right back to you, G-man. All right. Let me give you an example. Right? Cause G-man doesn't understand. Maybe let me take back the word live. The most high will visit those people's minds. Cause there are people who like don't believe he doesn't live. He does not dwell or dwell there. It stayed there permanently.  Oh, okay. No problem. I'm going to get him. And he tells you this, but what Bible you're reading the Bible a second? He quickly clearly tells you what he does, but how he moves, what he does. That's why I asked you, I said, G-man, what is what was Solomon's temple? What, what is it? He's not going to answer. I'm going to unmute. See, that's what I'm talking about. This guy doesn't believe me. Solomon talks. Okay. So can I answer now, James? Sure. Cause you asked me to let him finish. Solomon temple was a literal place that the Israelites built in which God's spirit dwelt there, but his spirit didn't just dwell in the temple. It also dwelt in heaven. So I'm assuming you read the Old Testament, right? Cause God existed before Solomon temple ever was built and he was dwelling in a place called heaven before Solomon's temple was ever built. Okay. So I just want to put that out there. Okay. Listen to me, Judah Nazareth. Okay. I think you're trying a little bit too hard. Okay. When you're wrong, just admit that you're wrong and admit that I'm right. Now look, earlier you made the argument about the mind and how the mind manifests things and whatnot. Listen to me. If I wanted to go listen to Napoleon Hill, I would have got his, they can go rich book. His power, how to have a positive mental attitude book a long time ago. Cause I noticed when you're getting it from, you want to know why you're near done that. Used to believe in that garbage. But the point of the matter is though, is that that is not what Christians believe. We believe he lives outside of time and space.  That's basically what you're just saying right now. That is an old argument that shouldn't have been brought up like a trillion years ago or whatever.  You're making Thea's look bad with that. Stop it. Okay. I'm going to go back to a statement in the worshiper. This guy does not believe in the Creator. That's why I said he's got a Satanist. They're adversarial to the truth. This guy's talking about, oh, y'all, bro, Solomon's Temple was a physical place, but it was emblematical of what? That's why I said, what is Solomon's Temple? What was his purpose? Christians don't believe in the Creator. They believe in some fairy tale that lives up in a freaking cloud with a long white beard with baby angels. Bro, that's witchcraft, bro. Get out of here with that. Does it make any sense? You can't apply science to that. It's foolishness. Now, he keeps saying, now the most high the Creator dwells in those minds and people's minds who believe. If you read the scriptures, those who don't believe, he will turn from them. That's exactly why he said to our ancestors, he was like, and to us, he was like, hey, since I'm not in your mind, I'm gonna put you out of my mind.  I'm gonna let them do whatever they want. Since you don't wanna serve me, you're gonna serve them. That's what it is. And that's why our people went through what we went through. We can't blame the white people for our sin. We're still sinning today. We're still doing the same buffoon stuff.  An idolator worshiped demons, witchcraft, foolishness. Does it make any sense? You can't make any sense of it. And if you ask him a simple question, he's gonna start doing the tap dance, the electric boogaloo, the electric slide, the funky chicken, the moonwalk, the cabbage patch. He's gonna do every dance he can think of to avoid answering questions.  The Solomon's Temple or the Tabernacle work were emblematic of the inward man. We had this thing called the Ark of the Covenant, which is in the Holy of Holies, which you can clearly see in the illustration, it is in a form of a man, right? And stop thinking about physical. In the Ark of the Covenant is where it said that God's presence dwell. The Ark of the Covenant is supposed to be the mind where the 10 commandments are, where this, well, like I said, this guy doesn't believe in the most high, he believes in the devil, which is clearly based off Solomon's Temple, the Ark of the, it says, you, Yaha'u, who dwells in between the cherubim, bro. It didn't say he like, you know, his presence came there at certain points. It wasn't always like there. So it's the same thing with the most high has a, his presence is not dwelling in you clearly because you clearly don't know who the most high is. You have an idol. I have a question for you then. So I have a question for you then. Okay, so let's say I'm wrong, right? This is a quick question. This is for you and the Torah nights. And it may be even Kaz can answer this. You say you went to Bible school, Kaz, right? So I'm just curious how you guys can answer this.  Can you tell me that? Did he shrink so small to go in somebody's brain or something like that? Where did Enoch go and where did Elijah go? They died. Where did they go? It says God took them. Do you not know that they died? Doesn't say they died. What does God took them mean? It means that he removed them out of this reality and brought them to another one. Where's the other one? Enoch never died. Where is he? What does it say Enoch never died? It says that Enoch walked with God and he was taken.  It said nothing about him dying. You're adding to the word of God. You know there's a penalty for that if you do that, right? Sir. A penalty for that. Sir, so Enoch- District your judgment for those people like you. Sir, you don't even believe even the most. You believe in the devil. First off, Enoch didn't walk with God. He'd walk with angels. And he was looking at the earth and looking at the universe. He wasn't in like the spiritual world, sir. You don't know what you're talking about as usual. In order for me to- In the Jehovah's Witnesses, when I was in, they believed that Enoch's body was made into a spiritual body. Yeah. So I don't know what you believe, but every Christian denomination has their own version of that. So I don't know. The point is that Enoch and Elijah, Elijah was taken in a chariot of fire. Enoch was just taken. And this man can't tell me where they went. Jesus, since you brought him up many times, Judah, was when he ascended to the Father, he disappeared in the cloud.  How does that work? Like when the angels and the sons of God put in a book of Job, when they all got together and it was all like in God's presence. You're telling me that everybody is in somebody's mind? I'm just trying to show you why you're silent at me right now. I know, sir, because you're special needs. Silent and stipple. So I'm gonna, sir, I'm gonna help you out. Do you remember when King David counted, King David counted Israel, that gave a sentence? I don't know why you're laughing. So you stop laughing if they- Answer my direct question. Answer my direct question. I'm answering your question right now. The most I sent down is a spirit, a spirit, not a man, and come down and to tell David to count Israel because- Which mind did it come out? Which mind did it come out? Whose mind did it come out? The most I sent the spirit, what mind did it come out? This guy's bugged out.  Does your mind give messages? But he's laughing. This is why the Torah nights are retired. Sir, we're still gone. You don't even debate anymore. All you do is pull. Done. Sir.  You can't even get in a room with Volcab and let's actually beat him. Sir. Stop. You've been humiliated by me thousands of times. Stop. No, I haven't. It never happened either. Trapped. Listen. For those who are listening, this guy claims to believe in the Bible and he doesn't. So he might as well join Team Atheism because he don't believe in the Mozart. I heard that Atheism. I don't think the Bible- It makes no sense. Excuse me. But he's like, sir, this is not the Christian witch, a comedy power. Listen. I must say Atheism is buffoonery too because obviously he lives in a creative physical reality and he has a inward reality, which he does acknowledge, but he was just not- No. What's more even more foolish is an idolator. This guy is an idolator. He like has some kind of like idol in his mind and it makes it so that he doesn't have common sense. You mean like the one around your neck? You mean like the one around your neck? Sir, the most hot- Excuse me, what? You're not supposed to make any graven images and you got one around your neck. Oh, so this is the graven image? Where do you not- That's a graven image that you got around your neck. Sir, this is the graven- Why do you not- The Israelites worship the sun and the temple. They worship the moon and the temple. Sir. They worship the ball and the temple. They're all- Stop being a buffoon, bro, and ask the question. Do you believe in the cross, sir? Do you believe in the cross, sir? Yes or no? Yes, but I don't have one around my neck though. Deep, deep. So you don't venerate the cross whatsoever. The cross that I recognize is the one that Christ died on, okay? And that represents the shed blood, that forgave me for my sins.  And I don't believe that, sir. You are really misinformed, talking to a person like me like this, sir. Sir, you don't have a cross in your house? You need to pronounce that Hebrew like this. Sir, do you have a cross in your house? Yes or no? Sir, do you have a cross in your house? No, no, no. But you know what? One day I might get one. Wait, wait, wait, wait.  You've had cross images on your channel. Oh, I have, yes. There you go. So do you know, do you know spiritual- I don't wear it around my neck. I don't go- Sir, it doesn't matter what- Worship and nothing like that. I don't worship. You don't even know what this is. Sir, do you know that what this is? You believe that it's part of your heritage, but that's not your heritage. It's like grief, bro. Do you have a- Do you not listen to crap? This guy's running because he's trapped.  This guy's cross is the same thing. If you connect all the points, it turns into a 3D cube. If you unfold the 3D cube, what do you get? You get the temple. You get this. If you get a box, you say you get a- I thought Jesus was the devil. You're making a lot of arguments for Jesus.  Okay, so you do believe in Jesus. Here we go, bro. Sir, this is not- You're making arguments for the cross. You're saying that Jesus talks about the mind. You're quoting Jesus a lot for somebody that believes he's the devil. I don't know. We're not talking about Jesus, right? You said I have a graven image. No, I know- How about we change the topic that you lost?  No, it doesn't. The priests don't do nothing. God did it. Do you know that every snowflake- God? Yes, God, the most high. God? Have you ever heard of a snowflake, sir? That's not a snowflake. This is not a snowflake and this is not the same shape. This is not the same shape as a snowflake. That's supposed to be the star. So snowflakes are not six points. Sir, are you kidding me? You've never seen a snowflake before? That looks like a star. What's that? So what shapes are snowflakes in? Not that. What shape are they in? I think I speak the genes here. We should probably debate about something. We should probably debate about something. We are. I'm asking you, what shape are snowflakes in? And you guys are over here running as usual. They call them snowflakes. It's like you're asking me, what shape is a triangle? Like I call them triangles. What shape is a honeycomb in? I call that a honeycomb. Oh, that's what you're calling in English.  All right, man, I'm going on. Octagon? Prove to me that Deuteronomy chapter 28, verse 68. Prove to me that Deuteronomy 28, 68 proves you're an Ezrealite. Prove to me that Deuteronomy 28, 68 proves you're an Ezrealite. Let's get down to the brass tag. Okay, let's get that, okay? It's because you guys clearly just run it. You don't know science, don't know mathematics, don't know anything. That's not a snowflake. And by the way, explain to me also why you identify with the person. It's the same shape as a snowflake. It's similar. Explain to me why you identify with the person. It's the same. When a snowflake falls, it's always in outer six points with the seventh point, the first point in the center. Sir, cut it out.  We both have eyes. We both have a mouth, the nose, arms, legs. We're similar, but we're not the same. Sir, every snowflake that comes down is always this shape, and they're never the same. You just said it. You just said it, you just said it. What state do you live in, sir? Every snowflake that comes down, most of all I'm gonna say at least 99%. You just said they're not the same, so there can't be that.  This is crazy. What wrong do you live in? Do it, are you still a teacher? It's in the future.   Every snowflake that comes down, most snowflakes that come down are come down with the sixth point. In a similar shape, yes, yes, I agree. But they're not the same. They're not all exactly the same. Yo, man, hey, tell Satan to get out your mind so you can listen. Satan, get out of my mind.   Do it. Satan's over here doing the boogie woogie in his mind. Oh. Tell Satan to chill out for a little bit so you can learn something. Is he still there? It's crazy. Can you see him? Is he in there? Satan, are you in there? G-Man said, let's go back to Dugarani. Okay, right? G-Man, do you believe in New Testament? You believe in New Testament? Yes, I believe in New Testament and the Old Testament, yes. Okay, no, you don't. You don't believe in the Torah and prophets. Okay. When it comes to the beat. Yes, I do. I'm gonna go on mute until this guy decides to let someone speak. Because he asked me a question. I'm trying to get to it. This is just, this is just, this is, this is, come on, man. Stop, bro. This is special needs. We might. In the book of Revelation, G-Man, does it not say there are eight beasts? What passage are you talking about? You don't know the book of Revelation, bro? But the seventh beast and the eight- I am aware of the book of Revelation. I'm aware of a lot of things that are said. What chapter and verse are you talking about? Okay, okay. Let's go to the book of Daniel, then, because it's based off that. Do you know about the Nebuchadnezzar's image? Yes, you're talking about the statue. Yeah. What was- That Daniel had in his dream, yes. Yeah, that's the same thing as the seven and eighth beast. What is it? What are they? It's not the same thing. It is the same thing. What are you talking about? No, it isn't. I need you to be a little bit more specific about what you're talking about. You're talking about esotology now. So what exactly are you talking about? This is crazy, bro. What is the image of Nebuchadnezzar? What are the symbolize? What was it? Well, one of them, one of the images that we're talking about the same thing was supposed to represent different kingdoms. What kind of thing? In their eventual fall. There are different kingdoms in their eventual fall. When I'm trying to find out from you specifically, what you're talking about, because there's a lot of little things there I don't think you're aware of. So I'm aware of it. That's why I'm asking you. The gold, the silver, the bronze. What are you talking about? Okay. For those of you who are in Christianity, you better get out of it, because when the nukes start flying, you're going to be a product, dust. This guy's dead meat, okay? Most highs know he's dead. In Daniel and Revelation, in New Testament, which this guy claims he believes in and he doesn't, it's talking about world ruling kingdoms, right? Egypt, Assyria, Babylon, Media Persia, Greece, Rome, Britain, America, eight beasts. World ruling. He asked me a question. America is not mentioned, America is not mentioned in the statue dream or the dream concerning the, you know, the lion with the, you know, or the bear or any other images that he saw, America's not mentioned. Now, if you're talking about the European countries and how America came from the European, like I came from Britain and whatnot, that's different, but no, America's not mentioned in any of those images. I don't know what you're talking about. So you're saying the name is not mentioned? I don't believe America per se. I believe that the European nations maybe. So it depends on what you're talking about. We're talking about esoterology. You gotta be a little bit more specific about it. Sir, America is a world ruling kingdom, sir. And it's the eighth. See, you don't even believe in the New Testament. It's one of them. It's one of them. No, America, excuse me, stop, bro. America is a world ruling kingdom. There is no other kingdoms world ruling. Britain was a world ruling kingdom. It's been all the way to China, all the way to India, everywhere. It was, they said, the sun never sits on Britain, or the sun never sets on Britain. America's not a kingdom. America came out of Britain and it is a world ruling kingdom. And so who got brought to America? And bear in mind, the Israelites were always subject to these world ruling kingdoms. What people was artist- Israel itself was a superpower at one time. What are you talking about? When? When Israel was a superpower, particularly when they came out of Egypt and they conquered the land of Canaan and the surrounding nations and they was for a long time a superpower. Until they, you know, they started doing their idolatry and didn't keep their covenant. And then that's when Babylon came in and kicked their butts and brought them over to Babylon for a good spanking. So you don't even know your history, man.  Israel was never a world ruling kingdom, sir, stop. It never was. It was at the Egypt. It was at the Egypt. No, it wasn't. No, it wasn't. Yes, it was. It never was. You never read the Torah. Bro, the Canaanites were still living in our land. What are you talking about? Israel became a nation when, I'm sorry, when Israel crossed the Dead Sea or whatever and they went to the land of Canaan, they crushed them and they became and they became the land of Israel. No nation could touch them until the Babylonians came through there. So you clearly have never read the Torah before. Sir, the Canaanites were beating up on Israel in our own land. The Philistines were beating us up in our own land in the book of Judges. What are you talking about? You've never read the Torah. The King David, the King David. Let me ask you a question. When King David was the King of Israel, what nation was greater than Israel? It's the Canaanites, sir. When David, over talking to me doesn't prove your point. Bro, who is second? James, James. Can I just say what I'm saying? James, bro, you can ask me a question. Let me say something real quick and then I'll show you a question. Let me just present my question, James. Let's get over to Kaz. It's crazy. Do you have any last points before we get to you? All right, all right, all right. I'll just do it. No, I'm good. Let's go. And all I wanted to say was is that when King David was in power, what nation was greater than Israel when King David was in power and when Solomon was in power? Sir, it never was a world-ruling nation. I said world-ruling, sir. I didn't mean it. No, you can't, you can't. This is crazy, bro. So you cannot name a nation that was greater than the nation of Israel when King David and when King Solomon was in power. That's understandable. You have never read the Torah. Go read it again. Sir, I said world-ruling. This guy keeps talking about regional. I said world-ruling, okay? America has bases here in Japan. Why? Because they beat them. They have a base in Glam. Why? Because they beat, bro. It's a world-ruling kingdom. Britain was a world, Israel never was a world-ruling kingdom. It will be in the future, but it's not right now. And I'm not talking about- Concerning the book of Daniel. Okay, let me respond to that. Let's get back. Concerning, so let me respond to that. Let me respond to that.  This is crazy. You said, you asked me a question about Deuteronomy 68. And I said, and I told you that in your book and in mine, it talks about world-ruling kingdoms. What people was brought to America as slaves? Okay, so before I answer that, you're dead, bro.   I'm sorry, it's a Sabbath. Sir, stop. You don't know what I'm talking about. It's a Sabbath.  Well, he just violated it. That means a transgressor of the law. Wait a minute. I know it. I repented. I should have said that, but this guy's a baby. Oh, it's Friday. Yeah, that's right.  It's Saturday over here. It's like, it's a- So anyway, to address his first question for the audience, I might not know. To address his point for the people that don't know. To address his point, in case people don't know, he was saying that America, I'm sorry, that Israel was not a world-ruling power, meaning Israel could not have dominated Russia and all these other nations and whatnot because it wasn't a world-ruling power. If anybody knows anything about the book of Daniel, when it talked about Babylon being a world power, the Greeks and all of them, they wasn't ruling America either and they wasn't ruling Russia either. So what I mean by that is that Israel was a superpower to the known world at that particular time. Egypt was considered a superpower and everybody should know this if you've done a little bit of world history crying out. Wow, my goodness. Egypt was a world power at that particular time to the known world. And if you look at the prophecies in Daniel, it is talking about Babylon. It's talking about the Mises of Persians and the Greeks and it's talking about the Romans and it's talking about the future global empire that's gonna come in the future. That we see being informed before our eyes. So he's playing games with me here and now. First, he's telling me that Israel is not a world power when clearly it was. Anybody who's ever read a book knows this. Then he's gonna refer to the book of Daniel and the nations that was mentioned there. They weren't considered world powers. That was the argument that he was trying to make. And I'm sorry, my friend, both your arguments fall flat on your face. You don't have an argument for being an Israelite.  As a matter of fact, all Durban Army 2868 is talking about is how you're gonna be punished for not keeping the laws which you identify with.  And I would say that more to you since the law was given to Israel than it was to an atheist. Okay, the law was given to you and you don't even keep it cussing on the Sabbath, lying on the Sabbath, blaspheming Christ on the Sabbath. Look at all the stuff that you're doing here today, man. Come on, you give it to him. All right, let me say it again. Vladimir Putin, just get Google image or whatever and just drop one of this guy's house. This guy, I don't know what, why is he even alive? This guy clearly does not believe in the most high. He's clearly over here spouting witchcraft. Israel was never a world of ruling power. We were getting beat up by the Philistines in our own land. We were getting beat up by the Canaanites in our own land. We were getting beat up by the Ambrites in our own land.  Where's this guy talking about?  When has America lost a war besides like Vietnam? And if America went to nuke out Vietnam right now, they're over with America is a world ruling power. No one's coming into America, beating America up. Stop, bro. America flexes its muscle whenever it wants. And no one's gonna bow down. Okay, they already know. God gave. I don't got nothing else to say. I ain't got nothing else to say. I know what you have to say before. I mean my point. 20 more seconds to wrap up Duda and then we're gonna jump into the Q&A since Kaz already went. Oh, what'd you say? I'm sorry, James, would you say one more time?  We're approved that you just don't even believe in your own book. Clearly America is a world ruling kingdom. You don't even have to believe in the Bible. You can just study just secular history and tell what a world ruling kingdoms are. Right? And this is pretty much it. This guy don't believe in the Mosiah. He believes in Satan. This one coming in from, do appreciate all of your questions, folks. It has been a lively one to be sure and want to also say, our guests are linked in the description. That includes, if you're listening to this via the podcast, all of our debates end up on the podcast within 24 hours of the debate being live and you can find G-Mans and Kaz's and Judah's link in the description box at the podcast as well. Also wanna say, hope you feel welcome no matter what walk of life you are from. Don't forget to hit that subscribe button as we have many more juicy debates coming up in the future. And you don't wanna miss them. Last, jumping into the Q and A. Thanks very much for your question. This first one coming in from Joshua Larson says, G-Man won. Steven Steen says, G-Man is crushing this debate. Absolute debate king, never lost by my account. Joshua Larson says, G-Man, you got these fans out here. Joshua Larson says, G-Man versus JF Garry Eppy rematch? G-Man, are you open? Maybe, yeah, okay. This is what- Yeah, I don't have a problem with that. Yeah, no problem, yeah. Juicy, Joe Schwartz says for all, all three of the guests is God pro-slavery. Oh, exactly. Yes. Not immoral slavery, no. This one from Murdy says, G-Man, didn't Jesus speak Aramaic though? I think this is one you guys were talking about whether or not Jesus spoke Greek. Immuted. Immuted. Well, can you hear me now? Yep. Okay, Jesus would have spoken Aramaic, Hebrew and Greek in his day. This one coming in from Joe Schwartz strikes again, says for all, was Jesus black? No. He wasn't black, he was melanated brown skinned person like everybody else in the world. I believe that he was Ruddy. Ruddy? I believe that he was Ruddy Red, according to the scriptures. It means like me and Kaz. Oh. No, I don't mean that. I mean that he was Ruddy. We are Ruddy, me and Kaz are, we're Ruddy. If you go look at the red cow, it's me and Kaz's color. This one coming in from Mr. Monster says, I believe there could have been a historical Jesus character, but it's impossible for him to have risen from the grave back to life. Humans can't do that, G-Man. And maybe, Judah, if you, I don't know what your stance on this is. The codex cyanide kiss, the earliest book of Mark or the earliest book of New Testament has no ascension and all this extra added in stuff to the modern gospel. So he's right. I believe that there's a lot of secular and non-secular evidence to suggest that Jesus Christ rose from the dead. My favorite personally is Simon Greenleaf, who was an atheist lawyer who put the resurrection to the test. And after he finished testing it, he said that the resurrection was just as historical as anything else has ever happened in history. Go look it up. A lot of people are coming to Christ after they really investigate the resurrection, honestly. You got it. This one coming in from Mr. Monster strikes again and says all humans evolved out of old world monkeys that lived in Africa seven million years ago. We have physical evidence for it. Can you test it yourself? And then they say, sorry. I'm gonna say no, that we do not come from monkeys. This is what I believe. I believe that human beings are fearfully and wonderfully made in the image of God. That's number one. And number two, on a cellular level, when we talk about those little changes that you need to have happen over a long period of time, are on Raw, Erica, who's been on this show a bunch of different times, Thunderfoot and everyone else who's a biologist has failed to be able to show how you get anatomical changes from small change. I'm sorry, how do you get new features that wasn't there already from evolution? You just can't get it. What you can get is what was already there. And you need to have these new anatomical features in order to make a claim like that. Have you heard of herpes or HPV? Herpes, you're talking about a virus? Yeah. Yes, I know what herpes is. So that's a new DNA inserted into your cell that causes an anatomical change. And those DNA codes can be replicated, they can be doubled up, tripled up, whatever, however many times over billions of years that can cause an anatomical change. And that's just one virus. It doesn't cause the kind of changes where you have anatomy that wasn't there before. Are you sure? How do you know that? You have to become new anatomy. For example, let me give you an example. An example is if you already have an eye and then you get another eye, that's information that was already there. When it comes to new information, I'm sorry, your virus argument doesn't work because we don't have any proof for that. And if you got proof, you can share and show me right now how the herpes virus created something that was not there already. Well, that's what I'm saying. It's a new thing on your body that wasn't there before. Eye or a nose or something like that. No, we can't get that from that. This one coming in from, and folks, just so you know, we've been like it to every single question, we're gonna try to move through these as fast as possible, but because I wanna get the guys out of here on time, especially one guy who has had a long day and so I want him to get some sleep. So we are gonna be wrapping up shortly. So just wanna let you know, we might not have to get to every question but we're gonna try. Mr. Monster says, all humans, we got that one, says we have DNA from people who died in 1150 BC, Ashkelon, a Philistine, to be exact, my DNA is similar to this person, this Philistine. I used 23andme and mytrueansterstreet.com. This one from, I- Is that directed toward me? I don't know. I don't know. Okay, so I'm gonna say that that's probably true because like Judah Nazareth, I believe that the Israelites is a, they're a mixed multitude of people. So the Israelites were notorious for sleeping with the other nations, even though the Mosiah told them not to do it per se because they went into worshiping different gods. And then there are a couple of examples where God was okay with it. For example, Moses' wife was not an Israelite. She was from an African nation. Okay, Ruth was a Moabite. She was not an Israelite. You know what I mean? So I hear what you're saying with that. You got it. Dan, thank you very much for your question. This one from Murdy says, G-Man, what is faith and why is your superior? Faith has a couple of different definitions. Usually in the great debate, there are two definitions that are used. There's blind faith. That's the, when a person makes a claim, it doesn't provide a drop of evidence for the things that they're talking about. And the other one is based on evidence. It's based on, and I'll mind you, the person that accepts something as evidence still might not accept it as being strong evidence. But the point of the matter is we Christians believe in something called epistos where we actually believe in a claim that is backed by evidence. It may not be the strongest evidence in the world, but it's backed by evidence. For example, we believe that Jesus Christ existed based on secular history and religious history. This one coming in from, do appreciate your question. Cosmic Logic says type one in the chat if G-Man is based and red-pilled, God bless. Thanks for that. And this one coming in from Mr. Morpheus says, can you religious guys prove evidence that we come from dirt? Oh, you're on mute. There's only one religious guy. That's G-Man. Okay, so to answer, can you hear me now, James? Yep. Yeah, this is right up my alley. Yeah, I can prove that.  Most of your body is made up out of water and is made up of calcium.  The same thing that you find in the ground. Try again. This one coming in from, do appreciate your question. Jamal Khan says, Jesus is God. And that's of course, we allow people if they wanna make a comment as well. This one coming in from Mr. Sax Sokeet says, God isn't real, life as we know it is, but an instant blink in a cosmic calendar, just hot and cold gases spanning space-time.  And I understand you and I get you. I disagree with you. I believe that there's more of the life than what you see with your physical eyes. And our microscopes prove that every day. This one coming in from Sudanim says, to all, is everyone on the panel in Israelite? Why or why not? No.  All right, see, he's in the religion. As I'm not a religionist, my nationality is in Israelite. And my ancestry goes back to the slave. Inslaid by Africans, sold to Europeans and brought to America and throughout. So my ancestry is Israelite, he's a religion. What are you saying? No, but I can speak the language. And I didn't go to seminary school. No one taught me, how do I know? You can speak Hebrew? From Murdy says, hey, Judah, I was raised as a Christian. Now I'm an atheist. What kind of truth are you trying to convince me or us of? And why does it matter? Well, we're about to go on to World War III real real soon and starvation and all these things. And so the most I can take care of those that serve him and those who don't, well, good luck. This one coming in from, do appreciate your question. Neo X says, how do two guys read the same Bible but have two different beliefs in God? I think they're referring to you, G-man and Judah. I think the same way they can read a biology book and come to two different conclusions about the age of the earth and about biological evolution. Let me answer, because he doesn't serve the same God. He reads my book and then tries to apply it to his idol. And his idol's not there is why he doesn't answer any questions because he knows he's into some foolishness. He doesn't understand, doesn't even know the language. This one coming in from space is a lie. He says, according to Hebrews 11.5, Enoch is the only person that never actually died. And Peter Teft says, great episode. This is the most honest. Let's see, he says, Judah, you're very, very honest and you're the most honest I've seen and he's winning the debate. It really is the best policy. Juicy to say the least and Joe Schwartz says, thank you, James, for the all black panel. I think, Kaz, you mentioned earlier that you are black and... All black. Well actually, Judah says he's not black though. So it's almost an all black panel. But we hope you feel welcome for real folks. We hope you feel welcome, whether you be black, white, gay, straight, Republican, Democrat, Christian, atheist, you name it, we're glad you're here. And with this one coming in from Murdy says, Judah and G-Man, how much of the Tanakh do you both agree on? I think they're referring to the Old Testament. They say there seems to be very little agreement on God and key doctrines. Well, he doesn't believe in the Torah prophets. So he says he does, but anyone can say anything. He doesn't believe, doesn't even know it. To be perfectly honest, Judah, I don't think you can name 10 of them. But the bottom line is, the reason why me and him don't have an agreement is because he holds to something extremely close to Judaism and I hold to Christianity. He rejects the Messiah and I don't.  But can I just come in, I know before James, see actually he's just one real quick. We have a Messiah that the Christians like to avoid. His name is Onias the third and he's in the book of Daniel and he's been Joel 23 and you know, and these guys, they know he's in there and he's mentioned, but they don't acknowledge him. So he's anti-messiah. He worships the devil. This one coming in from, do appreciate your question. Murdie says, Judah and G-man. Oh, we got that one. Murdie says, Kaz, what did you hope to get out of this talk? A good discussion. I think I got that. Very nice. I had a good time. And this one coming in. Oh, I didn't mean to interrupt you by the way. I didn't say the same. I think me and G-man and Judah had a good discussion. I think we all got to understand each other a little bit better. I mean, certainly me and G-man saw a little bit more eye to eye than before. So it seems good to me. This one coming in from Peter Taft says, a professor at a British museum says that King David never actually existed. But then says, but why would the Jewish people make up King David? I don't know about them making up King David existing or who believes that or whatever. But King David did exist. He was probably the most powerful king in the history of Israel. And I'm talking about literal Israel. I'm talking about spiritual Israel. And King David didn't play no games. He couldn't worship idols in Israel under him. Because if he did, it was. You added any other thoughts from anybody else? This one coming up here. Will Stuart, HFC, well, actually, these last two are addressed toward me. So I'm going to read those in the post-credits scene. And I want to say, I will be back in just a moment, folks. Reading off those final questions that were specifically addressed to me, I just want to let especially Kaz go. Kaz, thanks for being a trooper. I know that you've had like three hours of sleep. And so, folks, we did get here. Yeah, absolutely. And thank you, guys. Kaz and G-man and Judah are linked in the description, folks. If you want to hear more, what are you waiting for? Their links are right down there below right now. And also, I want to say, folks, if we didn't get to your question, sorry about that. We try to get to as many as we can. But sometimes we have to wrap up because we just we do want to respect the time of the debaters. They're busy, too. And so, if you had a question that didn't get asked, I highly recommend throw it in the old comments section and give it a chance for people to read over it. People do read the comments, for sure. It's popular. I do see a lot of comments and a lot of people responding to them after the video. I want to say thanks to our guests one last time. And I'll be back in just a moment with a post-credits scene, letting you know about upcoming debates, such as the one that's tomorrow, between T-Jump and Newcomer, Finding Truth, Atheist versus Muslim. You don't want to miss it. But one last time, Kaz, G-man, and Judah, thank you guys so much for being our guests tonight. Thank you. Thank you. Good night. Thanks for having me. Absolutely. Read your Bible and do what it says. I'll be right back, folks, with updates. Stick around. I'll be back in just a moment. Ladies and gentlemen, I am back. Give me one second. I'm just going to load up my sweet little cam here. I am pumped, though. I've got to tell you, my dear friends, we are pumped because we've got a lot of cool stuff coming up, in particular. You guys can't see me. I'm a ghost. All right, but hold on. There it is. OK. My dear friends. Let me in. Let me in, oh, jeez. Zoom. Give me a second here. All right. You guys, OK. Sorry. You can see my eyes. I'm going to fix this. OK, there we go. That's better. OK, and then left, right. But you guys, I've got to tell you, that was a fun one. I really did enjoy it. And I want to say a huge thank you to our guests. Let me, oh, there's the lights going out here. All right. You guys, I want to say thanks for your hanging out with us at Modern Day Debate. We are absolutely excited about the future. And so I've got to tell you, we've got some cool stuff coming up, including, as you have probably heard, as I just announced before we went off-screen, at the bottom right of your screen. T-Jump and Finding Truth will be debating tomorrow. You don't want to miss it. That is on whether or not the Koran is scientific. So that'll be a fun topic. I'm excited for that one. I have pumped, my dear friends, as I got to tell you, I'm also excited. G-Man and Judah, let me know after the show that there are a lot of big influencers in this kind of like realm in terms of debating on the topic of Hebrew Israelites.  And so that's a really cool thing, as we do want to welcome everybody from all walks of life, no matter what their position, no matter what their gay straight, black, white, Republican Trump supporter, Biden backer, Bernie, bro, whatever you are, we really do hope you all feel welcome, as well as maybe your hard-nosed naturalist, an atheist, or maybe your conservative Christian. We hope you feel welcome. We are glad you are here. And so I've got to tell you, well, first, let me say hi to you in the old chat, though. I do like getting to say hi to you guys, and it's been a while. Leonardo, Leonard, it's got to be Leonard. Leonardo de Judah, thanks for coming by. Says peace, James, say up, bro. Thanks for your support, thanks for your kind words. And we are excited, you guys. I've got to tell you, we have a lot of cool stuff coming up in terms of debates. We've got a lot of cool stuff coming up in terms of plans for debates, like in-person debates. So I'm excited about the future. Hey, like I said, if you haven't yet, hit that subscribe button as we've got some cool stuff coming up. Oh, it looks like I'm, what's the word I'm looking for? Okay, it's a buffering a little bit, bear with me. But yes, we've got a lot of cool ones. Here's another example. As I mentioned, we've got a lot of cool debates. 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We're excited about that vision, we're making it happen, and I've got to tell you, we've been growing, and I've got to say thank you to you for helping us grow. Thank you to the debaters for helping us grow. They're the lifeblood of the channel, and when I say thank you, I'm serious about this, you guys, you do really help this channel. Here are just a few ways. One, you can do things like if you hit share, that really does help the channel. Just good old fashioned word of mouth is the most natural and real way that we're gonna grow for real, because if you hear it from a friend where they're like oh, my friend says this channel is cool and they just like to watch it, they're not the person who runs the channel, because if I tell you this channel's cool, you're like of course you'd say that the channel that you work on or work at or whatever is cool. But if somebody else says it, it's like a third party, it has a lot more credibility, so that does help. 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Not only has Chaz been a moderator, a guest mod, who's been very fair, and by very fair, I mean like, there's nobody, like I fully trust Kaz. Like there's any debate where I'm like, I just feel like I could trust him and I know he'll be fair, and so that's like, he's not very fair, he's ultimately fair. He's linked down below, as well as G-Man and Judah. I wanna remind you guys of that, but also I wanna say, Kaz, I gotta get a huge thanks.  He follows through with his promises. He got three hours of sleep last night, technically not even last night, just this afternoon, because he didn't sleep last night, and he still followed through with the debate. That's impressive, that's really kind of him. Like that's just, I'm like, wow, thank you, Kaz. And he didn't even ask, he didn't even say like, hey James, is it okay if I get out of this? Which I would have been totally okay if he wanted to do that. I would have not have held it against him, because he didn't get any sleep. But he just followed through with it without even asking, and I'm just like, wow, Kaz. Like, Kaz is a selfless guy. He's selfless, he gives it all, and so we really do appreciate that so much. And he's also, I gotta tell you, if I can brag on Kaz a little bit more, there have been times where we, or by we I mean me, I would be like, oh my gosh, I'm overwhelmed. I've got way too much to grade, or I've got homework, or whatever it is, and sometimes it's been family emergencies kind of things. And I've said, Kaz, man, I'm sorry, I'm supposed to host tonight. Can you take this over for me? I'm just overwhelmed, and Kaz is like, sure. Within hours, he's like, sure, it's in a few hours? Okay, James, I'll do it. So I wanna say we do appreciate, as well as we appreciate Amy, we appreciate all of our moderators, Converse, Contender, Carissa, we're probably gonna have Rose wrist on as a moderator soon, if you guys know Rose. But I wanna say thank you, Dylan Motz. Thanks for being with us. 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And so when I say that, it's not at all meant to brag. It's just to say thank you guys for joining us on this movement. And this movement's growing fast. So we hit just 60,000 at the beginning of the year. So we're absolutely excited for the future, you guys. We have big plans for expanding in terms of modern-day debates influence. So join us while we're small, my dear friends, because we have big plans for the future. And our influence in terms of providing a fair platform for everybody is going to become more widely known to where we really are absolutely determined to become YouTube's premier debate platform. So in other words, if someday Mr. Beast and PewDiePie get into some sort of disagreement, someday we really absolutely are aspiring toward being the channel that they say, huh, it's like, well, we're having this disagreement.  That's what we are shooting for, where we are known as like the platform, ultimately on YouTube because of our fairness. We only put out debate videos. There are no videos where it's just like James giving his opinion. I'm James, by the way. There's no videos where it's like me pushing, like, hey, I think this is true when it comes to religion or atheism. Or I think this is true when it comes to politics. Or I think this is true even when it comes to science. No. That's not a truly nonpartisan platform. A truly nonpartisan platform, fully through and through. It's one thing to have a neutral moderator. I'll admit, there are channels out there that have neutral moderators, people who are fair as moderators. That's true. They're very, very few. In fact, I'm not sure if they exist. I've seen one where I'm like, yeah, maybe Intelligent Square Debates fits it. So giving credit where it's due. That's the only one I've seen out of many, many debate channels that I've clicked on where it's kind of like, hey, what are they doing over here? It's extremely rare. We are not going to push any particular view because that wouldn't be fair. You know what I mean? If I put out a video that's like, hey, I'm gonna argue if it's just me and I uploaded a video one day and I was like, oh yeah, it's me, James. I'm gonna make the case for X. And it'd be like, that's kind of lame.  I wouldn't like that. You know what I mean? Because it's just like, yeah, I agree. How could I call that a victory, by the way, if it's like, by the way, yeah, Coffee Mom, so sorry. And Illyri, as well as Bob Nodl's Gyroscope. I'm sorry we didn't get to your questions. I wanted to get Kaz out of here quick so we could get to sleep. Oya3 says, Red Eagle Politics versus Hunter Avalon would be awesome. Hey, I agree. That actually would be cool. So, but yeah, I will. I'll actually ask Hunter about that and I'll ask Red Eagle. We've had both on, we like both. Both cool guys, they've been professional. SpiritToby says, this is the best debate stream on the internet, debate me. Thanks for that, SpiritToby, seriously. That really does mean more than you know. You guys, I gotta tell you, we are excited about the future. We are working, it's like, hey, we'll admit, there are things that we can work on. There are things we can improve. There are things that we can fix. It's true. But we're going to fix them. We're gonna work on making them better so that we can grow and provide you guys a better debate platform. And so, we are excited though, yeah, for real. There are some like big name people that we have got on our list to ask to come on for the debate channel and for modern day debate this summer. We are expecting some big moves in terms of channel growth and we're excited about that. Like I said, cause people are like, oh, you care so much about growth. And one thing is, I'm like, sometimes I feel like YouTubers, they try to hide the fact that they wanna grow, which is weird, cause it's like, well, cause it'll be like, oh, we don't care about growing. We just do it cause it's fun. It's like, then why not even just do it by yourself? If you're like, oh, I put out videos, I don't do it for anybody except me. It's like, well, then why bother uploading them to YouTube? Just make the video and save it on your own computer. It's easier. We're not ashamed. We think our vision is a good one. It's a values-based vision, namely things like fairness. Everybody wants a fair platform where people are treated equally, fairly. That's one value that we care about. The other thing is we wanna welcome people from all walks of life, as we've said a billion times, black, white, gay, straight, Trump supporter, Biden backer, Bernie Bro, you name it, conservative Christian, naturalist, atheist, you name it. We're glad you were here. We think that people care about those values. And we do care about those values. We know it for sure that we do and that's why we're not ashamed to say we do wanna grow. We do wanna share those values and expand those values into different places on YouTube, including debates on, for example, Hebrew-Israelite topics. That's something that we are excited about and we're excited that Judah just said and G-Man were saying, they were like, hey, there's some big time Hebrew-Israelites that might wanna come on your channel. And they're big time. Like, they've got some huge subscriber bases and we're like, hey, that's awesome. We are excited to collaborate with these people, whether they be Christian, whether they be atheist, whether they be Hebrew-Israelites, all of these people groups, we want to feel welcome. And so anyway, Leah Lenard, good to see you. Devion Jay, thanks for coming by. This dope debate league will be tuning in and shooting you an email. Thanks for that. And absolutely, you guys, I've gotta give you a heads up. Usually what we do is oftentimes when a newcomer comes on, we usually set them up in a tag team debate. Tonight was kind of special. So we did Judah, we had Judah on it was the first time it was a triple threat. It's usually a tag team though. But in Judah's case, I was like, wow, Hebrew-Israelite fellows or gals, people, it's rare to find them. And so I was like, all right, we can just do like a triple threat type of debate. We haven't done one of these for like, oh man, it's probably been years. But in terms of triple threat, I think they're fun. Straight serum glad you were here. Cold blood, 2,000 happy to have you with us. As well as Sight Show Nav, thanks for coming by. Yeah, you know what else helps this channel? If you wanna hit that old like button, we're at 172 likes, we only need eight more likes and we'll be at 180, that's amazing. You guys, we're pumped about the future. Standing for truth, long time friend of the channel says, Jay to the Ames, looking good as always. No, James is secretly Batman. You're funny, I appreciate that, Stanley for truth. I appreciate your support, man. I hope you're doing well. And Ryan, oh, that's right, those Super Chats. Ryan Lyons sent in a Super Chat. First, Will Stewart, T-H-F-C, Rant says, James looking like an alpha with that beard. Thanks buddy, I appreciate that. I like this beard, I really do. You know, I was like, I just kinda like, let it go, cause it was like, ah, I just like, forget it.  It's just, it's like a fun, kind of like, I'm like, hey, you know, I like this. But, thank you for your support, Will. And Ryan Lyons says, James, are you related to Tom Jump and Kent Hovind? I am the baby of Tom Jump and Kent Hovind. So you guys, I am, yes, I am their offspring, but we imagine if T-Jump and Kent Hovind had a baby and what it would look like. But yeah, we wanna say thank you guys for your support. We are excited. Mr. V, Mr. Ham, 1972. Thanks for coming by as well as Hannah Anderson. Thanks for your support.  That's true, it's getting thick. I think I'm gonna grow it out to be like a King Leonidas beard. So I'm gonna let it go a little bit longer right here, you know, like right here at the chin. And then I, you know, like, I don't know, kinda try to keep it like maintained, refined, kinda not too, too like wide on the sides because that's a pretty base beard. If anybody had a cool beard, it's King Leonidas in the movie 300. And as you know, given that I'm a boomer.  But diesel or unleaded says, why not have Steven Crowder on here? We in the future do plan on having big-time people like Steven Crowder. He as of right now is a little bit above our pay, what we can do in terms of honorariums. For example, Jordan Peterson, Steven Crowder typically want $50,000. And someday when we have like 100,000 subscribers or maybe even frankly, 200,000 subscribers and we have like maybe like 5% of people willing to put in like five bucks or something, we could put on those types of debates. So we really do, like seriously, many hands make light work. We do think that we will be able to have huge debates. And we have done successful Kickstarter debates where we've had big-time people on, let me just get that light, two seconds, very embarrassing, is let me give you an example. So we have had some big-time people on. We've had, and this is thanks to the help of Jonathan Sheffield, who has been a huge supporter of the channel. We really do appreciate Jonathan. If you go to our main page, there is a channel or I should say a playlist called The Best of Modern Day Debate. Some of those were Kickstarter events or they were, you could say, funded by very generous supporters of the channel. We've had Bart Ehrman on, for example. That was an epic debate with him and Jonathan Sheffield and Jonathan made that possible. We really do owe Jonathan. He's been a super kind supporter seriously. And also, a Kickstarter debate where we actually had Dr. Michael Schermer, New York Times bestseller, president of Skeptic Magazine. And I think he was the founder of Skeptic Magazine and that was a based and red-pilled debate. We've had Milo Yiannopoulos on Jesse Lee Peterson. We have had, we've had Vosh and Destiny on about a billion times. But it's no less special every time. And I've got to say, seriously, in terms of people that have helped this channel, Vosh and Destiny have helped this channel a ton. They've helped us promote this channel by coming on because, hey, like their big time names in the debate world on politics. And so we really do appreciate their help with the channel. David Wood is another person that's helped the channel a ton. Daniel Hakikachu is another huge help for the channel. And I was thinking about this today. Tom Jump has helped this channel a ton as well. So I mean, honestly, we don't discriminate. We want to give credit where it's due.  We do want to say, hey, like these people have helped the channel. You know, we don't want to just say, like, thanks to the Christians who helped it or thanks to the atheists who helped it or anything. So Joe Schwartz says, you should be super biased on April Fool's Day. That's funny. That actually would be kind of a good prank if we were just terribly biased and then it was. I like that. Seren Alexander says, would James agree he should not platform those who have directly threatened violence on YouTube? Let's see here. Would I agree that we should not platform them? If YouTube says that they're against the terms of service, I would say we should not have, in other words, like by us hosting them, that it'd be against the terms of service, we should not host them. However, basically YouTube doesn't actually treat it. That's not how YouTube works. It's not like Twitch. Twitch has bands, and that means you're banned, period. But YouTube is like, you can be banned from having your own channel, but it doesn't mean that modern day debate can't have you on.  And then we've got a lot of cancel culture where some people are like, you platform so-and-so, so I'm not coming on. And I'm like, fair, fair, okay with me. Like, don't come on again. And that's fine because one, we're not entitled to any guest. We never say like, oh, we're entitled to have somebody. But second of all, that we're not into the whole de-platforming stuff of like, oh, James, you should be ashamed for platforming so-and-so. Listen, everybody's gonna be offended at this channel at some point. I mean, we've hosted topics, because sometimes people are like, James, how can you host topics on LGBT, whether or not a trans woman is a woman, that is, you should be ashamed for hosting that. We've hosted topics, but I mean, at the same time, we've hosted topics like, is Christianity a hate cult? Is atheism a hate cult? And in those cases, people were maybe, I remember people were offended, but they never said like, oh, James, how dare you platform this topic or these people? And so I've gotta say it, like everybody's gonna be offended at some point. You know, we've never hosted is the LGBT a hate cult. That would probably get banned. But we can and we have hosted is Christianity a hate cult and is atheism a hate cult? But that won't get banned because, you know, there's certain groups you just, you can have that topic and some groups you can't. But we are going to host anything that won't violate terms of service. And some of that is gonna offend people. We hosted Richard Spencer recently and a few people were like, hey, I'm not gonna come on if you have Richard Spencer on. And I'm like, okay, you know, we don't have any hard feelings. Like people have different top, you could say different positions on this. That's okay. I take it seriously, the arguments in terms of this stuff. Like I do take it serious. I don't just like glibly like, oh, we're just gonna host whoever we want. I take seriously the arguments in terms of like de-platforming but frankly they're not good. They really aren't. Here's just an example.  You know, that person's so bad, you should never host them. What I would say is this, if you think that that person, person X, like let's say they're a neo-Nazi or something like that, because I think you guys know that I personally do not endorse neo-Nazi type views. I think that's bad, right? And you know that about me. So I don't think that's like a secret. I mean, if I say at the Dishannel that, hey, we hope you feel welcome if you're black, white, straight, gay, Jewish, you name it, like, probably it's pretty obvious that I'm not, it's pretty obvious that I would kind of be against, broadly speaking, let's say neo-Nazis, right? So it's kind of like, well, James, but you host them. It's like, well, yeah, but if we host somebody, it's like, if you assume, which I tend to think is generally gonna be the case, that those people that you might think are harmful are gonna lose in the debate because their arguments are worse, why is it bad to host them? Because on average, they're getting beat in front of the public, which means that many of their followers are probably becoming de-radicalized. And there's a video by Steven Pinker, the famous Harvard psychologist on the YouTube channel. It's like, it's got its own playlist. It's right there on the main page. If you think that those people are losing, which I do, and presumably these people who are like, oh, James, shame on you for hosting those people. If you think they're losing, why is it bad? Because if anything, and this is according to peer-reviewed literature too, it's actually gonna have a net good effect because it's gonna basically de-radicalize those people, the followers of those people. And so some people are like, well, no, I just disagree, you should just not have them on at all. And I was like, well, you know what? A lot of them, honestly, I think some, not all, but I think some, they're just getting, they're trying to get on the moral high horse, and they're like, you shouldn't even associate with them. And I was like, listen, we care about the effect, not about whether or not you're gonna talk to that person or not. This isn't high school. To me, that's very high school. But you talk to them, you associate it with them. And I was like, hey, we care about the net effect.  Don't know how that's going. But basically, it obviously doesn't work because most people are like, well, wait, like if they're gonna lose anyway, why is it bad to have a month? So these deep platformers and these people that are just so controlling, they wanna control monetary debate, they're not gonna get control of us. We do what we want, we know what we want, we thought through what we want, and we're gonna do it. And we don't have any apologies for anybody.  Because they stink. And the reason is it's kind of like their communities are so insular. And by insular, I just mean like meaning they're so closed and they're so like, oh, we're n