investors. The following is a presentation of TFNN. The Tiger Technician Hour with your host, Basel Chapman. Call now. Call free at 1-877-927-6648. Hi everyone, Basel Chapman on this Monday, March the 7th and we're looking at the Dow down 324 at $33,299. See this arch formation in the Chapman methodology. We're always looking to see whether or not this pattern here we call it the dreaded H. Why? Because when you take out that left side low in an arch formation, look at this very first one right here after the 5th of January, all-time high of $36,952, we went down to $35,639 and then we bounced just for two sessions, failed at that aim A because it becomes an aim minus as you come down and take out that low and you keep going down lower. Look at the large arch formation that was formed from the $32,150 low of the 24th of January to $35,824 and that was on the 9th of February. Then it rolls over, it got repelled to the Chapwave inside track. This is the falling ax formation, lower highs and much lower lows, tries to rally and break above, can't hold it and I went down almost a one-to-one down to the $32,272 level. That's below the left side of the 24th. My rule of thumb in the arch formation is you have two days in which to break above maybe three but you need to break above but if you do break above having gone lower, you can then rally but you're going to stop at either a moving average resistance, a doji candle, a gap, but something, an icon on the way up that should be a repellent zone or resistant zone. That's exactly what happened to $34,179 peak B and now we're pulling back. When you consider what's going on around, I say around the world, but of course we know that it's the Russia invasion of the Ukraine, it's incredible that, look at this and I'm going to answer the question that I got here. Can you please confirm your status of the of the S&P monthly chart? I believe you were keeping to the mindset that regardless of what happens outside the technical aspect of the market, and this person put in wars in brackets, we didn't think of wars earlier on, the pattern remains intact and you stick to the lettering. I look forward to hearing the show today. Well, I'm going to deal with that right now. When you think of the $35,695 high, $36,952 high of the 5th of January and here we are exactly to a whole of January, whole of February, here we are two months later and all under these conditions, I am just saying all of everything that's happened to date has the Dow down to $32,272 and we're a little bit above that right now, we're a thousand points above it. That is remarkable action and that speaks to the internal positivity of our economic structure thus far. That's number one. Number two is this is the Dow, that went to a PE. Let me move to the S&P because that was the question on the S&P and what I said is there's no other way that I can count in the Chapman wave methodology. In the hundreds and hundreds of thousands of charts that I've done, notating it by hand, I went back and back and back. I don't ever recall a major S&P move in the monthly chart going to a B and then giving everything up. Well, giving everything up would mean you go below 21, 91.86 the low of March of 2020. Let's just leave that as an app. We're talking about a war in the worst circumstances so I'm just setting that aside. I'm looking at this and I'm saying we've had three months. We're not even into the third month because it's January, February, this is March so we've only just begun March and here we are. We had the Chapman wave Roman candle from January. We had the Roman candle from February and we're actually into the area that I said has to hold 42.86 using just the 14-period moving average instead of the wick of the candle. All I can say is historically the S&P is the aberration here in the Chapman wave notation. Therefore, I can't go just on that for my entire concept of what's going on at this particular moment. You've got the doubt. Let's go through this again carefully. If markets change and you don't change your opinion based on the market, you're doomed to tell the market what it should be doing and historically I would say just as a matter of perspective, I don't think that the market is ever ready to listen to me. In fact, it doesn't even know me. I am going to say peak E in the monthly chart of the Dow. Alternate count G-C in the Invesco QQ trust series trading now down 4.5 at 332.80 and here we are second arch formation. This is that pattern that we talked about the lowercase h can go to a lowercase m and then failed even if it's just a small one. If you're looking at that, this is so close to saying that the NASDAQ is almost, if there is a close below the low of March of 2021, 3 to 2.81 has 10 points below this. That's a monthly close. I just have to contend with what I've got and say that is almost certainly going to be a peak G in the monthly chart. If you're looking at the IWM, the IWM, if I remember, made a peak D, yep, there it is, a peak D. So all of the indices, if I go to the XLK, S&P select text spider fund, a peak D, if I go to the SMHs, peak, this is the one that has an alternative count and this is F slash C for the market vector semiconductor index. So all of them are within the context of, and I'm just going to make a change right here. I don't know why I didn't do it before. High was 318.82 in November, 317.92 in December, 380.69, 69, 69. Oh, it didn't make it. It's a peak C1C2 or a peak F top. Yeah. So all of the other indices, absolutely important, MDY, that's because the MDY, that's the mid caps, peak D. So I'm not going to say that the aberration of the S&P is the norm. I'm saying that's the abnormal. The history is that we should go higher based on the S&P, but I'm trying to put it into full context. And what I said Thursday and Friday was that I was saying, if anyone was putting money to work in increments, as I said, over a period of months, you're just starting to put money to work. This is the first time that I'm going to say, I would rather see not another tranche put in at this point, but a tranche taken off to build up a cash position because you are not the market. I'm not the market. The market is the market. You don't want to be telling the market that, oh, in the chapel, wait, we've got to be in a should go to a C&D. There was no nothing to say we would be looking at the potential for war that could impact the United States substantially. That makes a change. All I want to do is protect portfolios. 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It's a place that basically says under every other condition, the geopolitical situation that we're looking at right now could only get mildly better, but it could get a lot worse. Therefore, some kind of either portfolio protection or strong positions, you know, Tom Bryant's been talking about that. He has a gold report, he's been talking about that for a couple of weeks now and that gold stocks have started to move quite nicely and that the gold price obviously is going to help them considerably. And if you're looking at silver, sorry, here we go. Oh, did I just hit the wrong thing? Oh no, that was a mistake. No, no, don't do that. New situation and I just did something incorrectly. I'm going to go right here. Yeah, if you're looking at silver, S.I., silver is up 0.04 at 25.83. Had a high of 26.37. That chart is improving, but it's really working. Data looks really good. Wiki says it's working very hard and the monthly says, oh, about time you start to move to the upside. So my contention so far hasn't changed that gold is really what we're looking at and that silver is really being dragged higher. There are signs that if silver can start to move higher, then it created its own momentum, but at this particular point, I really think it's more, I always think, what is it? It's not a pie. What are those little fish that hang around underneath the jaws of a shark or a whale or something like that? Anyway, it's like that. It just gets dragged around. So we'll see what happens there. But now this is going to be very interesting. Hagrid Copper had a good move up, ran to a new recovery high of 5.039. Pulls back is now at 4.72. Went all the way down to 4.68. And this says to me that within the commodity area that copper is in play, but it is going to have to find its own footing. In other words, it's going to have to form some kind of, let's see, let's call it some kind of favoritism. And if you look at, say, FCX, which is a copper stock, had a huge move up, went to a Pd on Friday in about a 50-51 area. Pulled back today to 47.83, but it's trading at 48.73 down to $1.38 at Pd in the daily. Leg D in the weekly. Leg C in the monthly. But look how well it's holding. It's holding pretty nicely here. So we're going to be watching just what happens in all these different commodities. Look at SLX. This is the steel stocks. Look at this move. Another new high, another all-time high, but a recovery high at 65.15 high. It's trading at $64.91. This is the FEN, ag-vectors, ETF, steel ETF. So we're looking at probably the scarcity from what's happening over in Ukraine because they produce incredible amount of commodities I mean, most people just don't realize just the impact. Look at wheat, just wheat. Look at this wheat. You see these little circles here? You wouldn't notice it if I never put them in. Look, if I take this away, let me just take that away. Look, I'm taking it away. You'd see nothing, right? Well, it turns out that that little circle was, here we go, a gap up and then a limit up and it never moved on Friday. Oh, but wait a minute, what's that? I didn't even see it this morning until I looked closely and said, oh my goodness, up 7% to $12.94. Another gap up. You would anticipate at any moment the rug will be pulled and we're at least full one gap, if not two gaps, but wheat is in, I mean, the wheat supply, it's going to be serious.  Maybe they're producing still. Maybe they're not impacted by the war as much as everybody else because they're out in the fields. But how are they going to get into market? How's the market going to ship it? So I'm looking at this and I'm saying, wow, that's wheat. What about soybeans, which was lagging? Well, it's still lagging, but it's still near the highs. Soybean at $16.59. Hey, what about corn? Corn, as we say over here, made a high on Friday in the daily chart of G slash C, runs in the continuous contract up to $7.82. Today, it is trading down 10 at $7.44, but in the higher range, you would just pick under normal conditions as obviously, abnormal conditions. You would expect some kind of a pullback towards the 717-700 level after nine and the 14-speed moving average. Well, we'll see because these are extraordinary conditions. Let's look at, let's go on. Let's look at the, I'll go to the TLT. The TLT is trading up from the low today, but it's still down a quarter point of $139. This is where, under market conditions, money just flows into the safety of bonds out of the volatility of equities. We're not seeing that. And that's basically saying that there's a much better chance now that the yields remain in this higher level. This is the contradiction of everything. 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Let's look at XOM, this is ExxonMobil up again today, up 273 at 86.81. Fantastic move. Just in the last week and a half, going from 75 to 86.11 off points in a monster company. I don't even know what they're worth, a multi-capitalized company that's ExxonCVX. And this is, I'm calling it Leg D in the day, Leg D in the weekend. Chevron up 233 at 86.01, Leg D in the day, Leg E in the weekend, Leg D in the month. That's down 413, that's 58, I'll be back, that's a chapter, Tiger Take Mission Zone. Are you having fun trading the markets, but having trouble finding like-minded individuals to discuss your trading and investment ideas with? Become an Apex Predator in the trading markets and join the Tiger's Den Trading Room only at tfnn.com. The Tiger's Den is an exclusive trading room where successful traders from around the world come to exchange trades and ideas. Join the den and surround yourself with the sharpest minds in the trading world. 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This segment is brought to you by Think or Swim. For more information, just click the Think or Swim banner on the front page of TFNN.com. A question came in. Could you explain how a stock would have a short interest of 60% as the highest level of seeding in stock is EBBY? Just by retail, electronics, and other areas, I was trading up $0.86 at $106.95. It had a low just a week and a half ago in the $85 area. I'm looking at this and I'm saying that $200 per year moving average. So the answer to the question is, I think Dave White would probably be able to really discuss it in detail because this is his area of specialty, one of his many areas. Just talking about shorting and short stocks. But I believe if memory serves me correct, I think I've seen up to 80% short some stocks, but I can't remember names. So yes, it's really unusual. It's really high, but that can certainly allow just for the balance to accelerate to the upside as it has. I mean, 85 to 100 more than 13 yesterday on Friday, 112. So that is more than a balance. That is really a big move to the upside and it's holding so the shorts are still there. So all I can say is I'm not going to speak to it specifically to the extent that I can say definitively. I can say that my recollection is I've seen higher priced shorting positions and sometimes it was even a very low priced stocks. I'm doing about $8 or $9. It was a big surprise. Okay, now a couple of things we need to look at. One of the reasons, one of the things that we were looking at for subscribers over the weekend when I did my market over it was another one of those intense ones. We were just looking and we wanted, I especially spent some time on two stocks that we were going to get in. I had them all prepared this morning and then I thought, you know what with shortages and everything, is it possible that these stocks are fair in right in the sweet spot, but they can't get enough product. So I decided we'd stay with one and the other one, which I had all typed up and everything, which I think we would have gotten. I just canceled and said, we'll wait on that. Well, the one that we got has moved up really sharply and the other one we didn't get moved up even sharper. So I think this is an end. I'm the one that always says, don't change your mind if you spend your time thinking about something. Go with what you want. Just put your stop in so that you can feel comfortable that you can afford that kind of a loss if you're wrong. That's the most important thing. So just human emotion just got in the way there. What can I say? I'm not complaining because we're in a 370, 8-ish area and Australia now 398. So I cannot complain. But in the meantime, my only concern was, you know, look at Ford, look at General Motors. Look, Ford is down from where everyone was saying Ford, electric, Ford, electric, Ford, electric. It goes up to 25.87 on 13th of January. Now it's trading at 16.47. And that has to do with inventory mostly. Look at General Motors inventory. It goes from the 65 area to 41. Look at Toyota Motors. It goes from the 210 area to 162 inventory. And that's really important. So it was a concern. I had every reason to be concerned, but I shouldn't have changed the motors up a run day after all that was silly. Okay. Now the other thing that I wanted to talk about is look, Raytheon. Raytheon is up 274 today at 102.39. Made a high. Actually, turns out to be, I believe it's an all-time high of 104. Yeah, all-time high. I used to have this notated in every which way you could because it's always been on my list. As I say, I have a friend, senior engineer with a Mr. Peace lover himself. Wonderful guy. And here he is, doing so well with these, I'm sure, I don't know, but I'm sure he shares, he must have shares of Raytheon, part of the company. Dogey Candle High on the 1st of March at 104.34 pulls back a tad and now it's up again. Yeah, these things are moving, LMT. This didn't do as well. Early on, in February, it kind of went sideways. And then it just broke out from the 380 level. You're trading today the highest, 479.92, the 80. Under any other circumstances, all these incredible ADs, et cetera. I went through it with Rita. I went through it with Corn. Let me just do live cattle. This is a surprise to me. This is live cattle continuous contract. And I'm thinking, well, surely live cattle should be up in the highs. No, I guess it's so scarce and maybe that's the problem. Live cattle has gone from the 148 area down to the 134th, it's trading 136 right now. And this is interesting to me. And live hogs did move very sharp into the upside. Now it's got the pattern HB equals C to D. It's got the dreaded H pattern. It's in a leg B to the downside, trading at 99. It was up at 113, I think it was area, 112.84 on the 23rd of Feb and now it's down to 99. So we got mixed signals everywhere. Remember Wood, we were looking at Wood as part of the I shares, sorry, I shares Timber and Forestry, Global Timber and Forestry ETF that was holding so well. Now it's coming down towards the lower part of the band. 86, if a star should close under 83. This is, that becomes serious because now you're breaking key support. HGX. HGX is the Philadelphia Housing Sector Index trading at 429. 531.14 was the high back in January, comes down to the 401ish area, pops up to 458 and now it's trading at 429. And you can see the, oh, talking about cup formation, look at this double top. I've been talking about these double tops, how it comes within a dollar or two, or sometimes within pennies. And then it breaks down and the cup formation sees the low taken out. What was the stock that I did over the weekend? I think they have earnings coming up. We never trade this. I don't know why we don't ever. Dick's Sporting Goads. Dick's Sporting Goads, anything I've ever bought there, I think was once I bought an umbrella for the beach. And the very first time we used it out there, a Newport beach, Newport Rhode Island. The wind came up and just blew the thing away and I lost those little anchors that you put into the ground. Yeah, there's the pattern that we call the falling h, the falling x, where you make it high and then you start to see lower highs and much lower lows. And then it tries to form some kind of a support and you get a trap wave inside track repellent zone. Last week it tried to get on Thursday, it tried to break above, it went to 113.32 on the third and it couldn't break above. And here it is, underneath it is underneath the 14 and the 7-period moving average, 200-period moving average is key support at 106.20. And we're looking at a PD. Now, why did I mention this? Look at the tops. In September of last year, it goes to 141.89. Dick's Sporting Goads, DKS trading down three and a quarter at 106.47. It makes it G slash C in the Chapman Wave methodology. I'll talk a little bit more about the methodology tomorrow. I want to take time today. And what do we get? We get 101.89 week of September the 10th. It pulls back to about 108. It runs up to 142.178 less than a dollar from the all-time high over a period of a couple of months on the 26th of November and now it's trading down. Look at these double tops. It's almost exactly unbelievable. I'll be back in a moment. That's the Chapman Tiger Fisher's Hour and got a couple of questions coming in. Are you in the market for buying or selling real estate in the Bay Area, including the surrounding St. Petersburg, Tampa and Clearwater Markets? Tiger Real Estate LLC is a firm that has extensive experience in the Tampa Bay Area. 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A best-case scenario says that at some point they just on a purely technical basis they get oversold to the point where they do have a pullback. And the pullback goes where to the 9 and 14 period moving averages in the daily charts, which in this case would be 46, 40.10 percent lower, or maybe 13, 14 percent lower at the 432 level. And then it goes and stalls, maybe goes to 10, but it basically treats that as your fulcrum above and below for a little while, makes a kind of a rectangle formation, forms a base, and then maybe starts even higher. A worst-case scenario is, and how I don't even understand it for these defense stocks, is that something happens geopolitically that leads to some economic easing so that maybe at this administration, I'm not sure how they're going to be able to do it, but maybe they talk about not opening the spigots, but at least increasing oil production, not using the reserves, but oil production. I don't want to get into the political aspect of it because this is something we just don't know, how it's going to be dealt with politically. We can guess, but we don't really know. All of a sudden, over the next three to seven sessions, there's a lot of talking, but even more action has been done. In other words, by Wednesday or Thursday, they say, oh, by the way, over this last weekend, we gave oil companies permission to whatever it is. That would alleviate on a short-term basis, just emotionally, the spike to the upside in crude oil, but all of this takes time. There's nothing that's going to happen in a week. There's nothing that's going to happen in three weeks. It's probably going to be four to five weeks before the effect of the effect is actually known. If that's the case, the best case scenario is more what we're looking at in the likes of Lockheed Martin or, in this particular case, I was looking at Northrop Grumman, and wow, where are they going to go to these defense stocks? Not defensive, like parking gamble defense. This is not just an all-time high, but it's an all-time high one if I can just squeeze this more. Historically, it's beyond comprehension. RTX can go all the way. There's nothing like it. This is a breakout of unbelievable proportions. I'm trying to put this in perspective and saying, I don't want to get in front of the market and say, hey, this is the time to go fully invested. I think this is the time to be as judicious as possible. I think it's time, as we've done for my subscribers to my opening call, we've built up a big cash position and we've put into work, especially I've tried to find I couldn't for the last two days buying, I couldn't find a single digit stock that mimicked exactly what we would do with a stock that's up at 390s. That's different, but you don't have to buy a thousand of those. You can buy 10. It doesn't matter. You want the percentage gain if you're going to get a gain. Most importantly, I'm just looking at this and saying, where do you think these defense stocks, what would take them to the point where they give back the last three months worth of gain? That would make a Raytheon an $85 stock instead of 102. It would make Lockheed Martin a $360 stock instead of a $478 stock. And I must say, other than pure technical overboard conditions, that just says it's due for a bit of a pullback, I don't know. I'm just saying outlaw, I don't know. I'm looking at these and I'm saying, wow, look at jets. This is the U.S. Global Jets ETF. There's everything going against them. International travel. I mean, price of crude oil. Down today, it's at Jets, JETS is at $17.91 down $1.12. This is not telling me about some kind of an economy. Look at Disney. I'm always looking at this saying, well, we should be getting, if anyone was outdoors this weekend, I mean, certainly this Boston area, hardly any masks on. People were just out enjoying themselves. Just a lot of activity. And yet, Walt Disney, entertainment theme parks, and if I go to Six, which I've spoken about and we've owned, but I don't have it anymore, because it's fading, Six Flags Entertainment. It looks terrible. The price of gas could be deeply involved in the stock coming down so badly, $39.29 to $1.87. So I think you've got to be very specific. If you're looking at the semiconductors, I always look at the semis. Just about to take out the left side low of the 24th of the cab. It's at $249 down almost six points at $249. It's made this H pattern and it failed to make a decent M. It's even just a little tiny H right here. So be careful. That's really what I'm saying. I'm trying to emphasize that because it's all very well having a cash position. And if you have, if you do have shorts, that's wonderful if they're working. But most importantly, in your overall portfolio, you've got to have some kind of insurance and that insurance could be a way of having the commodities or it could be having maybe a VIX, the UVXY. That's a little more tricky because even today, suddenly it was this big rally with the ADX went positive and now it's very deeply negative. So I'm just saying that a way to ameliorate the risk is to have less in the market. And then what you do have in the market is very specific. The question came up, is the DBs still doing okay? No. It's pulling back today at $21.89. It's only up $0.05. It was up at $22.25. This is DB Agricultural Fund. I'm anticipating that these commodities are so close to some kind of just a momentary pause. It hit $22.64 on Friday, the DBA. I personally, just for not personal reasons, but for general market reasons, I would love for these commodities to have a decent pullback. I don't want them to go exponentially higher from here. What is that telling us about what's going on in Ukraine? I'd much prefer to have some alleviation of the tension somewhere. So with that said, the other thing I want to look at is, what about where was it? It was telephone, telephone and those other telecom areas. I'm still a little cautious, although I must say that when you get to Verizon, so telephone is at $12.75. It looks terrible, and I don't think it's a very well-run company from everything I can ascertain. 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What are some online ways to market your cleaning business in the new year? That's what we're going to talk about today. Hi there, I'm Angela Brown and this is Ask a House Cleaner. This is a show where you get to ask a house cleaning question and I get to help you find an answer. Now today's show is brought to us by Housecall Pro, which is the number one service software for service professionals. So if you're a house cleaner and you have a business and you're going to go out in the market and you're going to have clients, then along with those clients come details of the job and then come details of the family and details of the pets and where they keep the key and all these different things that are specific to that job. You got to keep track of all that somewhere. Now as your business grows and you hire people, you've got to dispatch those jobs and you have to communicate that information with all of your employees. So instead of you spending hours and trying to figure out your scheduling and readjusting stuff and the details and sending the details and following up with the customer and then the invoicing and all that stuff, it's all automated once you enter the information. It's all automated through Housecall Pro. It's awesome. Check it out at housecallpro.com forward slash Angela. All right, on to today's show. What are some online ways to market your business in the new year? This is super exciting and I have with us Ray Malasky from Get Cleaning Clicks. And this is a cleaning company that he started for his wife and then he said, wait a second, I have a knack for the marketing. So he did a deep dive into the marketing and he started researching ways that you could get your business to the top of the search engines. And he started looking at different ways from social media and different ways that you could grow your business and get more cleaning clicks. So he's back by popular demand. He already did a show for us before. It was a rave review. And then people are like, have him share with us the online ways we can grow our business in the new year. So please help me welcome Ray Malasky. My name is Ray Malasky. I run a company called Get Cleaning Clicks where we specialize in marketing specifically for cleaning businesses and cleaning business owners. And we offer web design, social media, SEO, Google ads, all for based around the cleaning business. Well, one of the reasons I ask you to join us again today aside from the fact that back by popular demand, I know that we're moving into a new year and there are lots of cleaning business owners that are starting with a fresh slate. And this is the year they're going to make a go of it. And so I would like to talk just for a second about any trends that you see, any changes, what's what's happening on the horizon for 2020 because you've got a pulse on it. You do this all day every day and you you focus for the cleaning industry. So you've got a really good grasp on what we need and what we need to be doing. This year, the huge thing was Google Guaranteed or Google Home Services. So that's a whole nother option of paid advertising. It took guys like me out of the equation, which I'm absolutely okay with because this is a great product for cleaning business owners who are just getting started. Don't have the budget to pay somebody like me and really can just dump everything they want into this one source and maximize the potential of that and grow their business with that alone. And tell us a little bit about that. What is that? If you Google house cleaning near me or house cleaning your city, you'll see three boxes at the top of that Google search and it'll say Google Guaranteed and they'll have the clients reviews on there from that cleaning business. And it's a program where you sign up for Google, they vet you so they check your insurance. You have to do background checks on the cleaners and then you become kind of their army of cleaners and there could be two cleaning companies in that market, there could be 40 cleaning companies in that market that are all Google Guaranteed and it rotates your ads at the very top of Google in these little square boxes with these stars. And people click there, they never even go to your website. It's all on their own platform. They click there, they decide to reach out to you, they contact you through there and Google only charges you for that phone call. It's different with Google AdWords because they charge you for the clicks.  They took all that out of the equation. You click there, you call them, it's between $19 and $21 for that call. You're paying for leads. This is Google's answer to home advisor and Angie's list and it's 10 times better than they have ever been for a cleaning business. So if that's the new solution, what happens to the Google AdWords? You have Google Local, then you have Google Ads right underneath that. Still high value, still get great results, still brings in more customers and more ROI for our clients. And then below that you have your map pack and then organic. So what's happening is now that Google Local came up at the top, it pushed AdWords down, it pushed the map down even further and it pushed organic down even further. So it's taking away from that organic traffic and finding a way to monetize it and make it work for local businesses, which I think this was a great thing for the industry. It's not something that's great for me because it's basically digital marketing without needing a marketing company. Well, one of the things that you just said was you will appear in a rotating banner. So I could still do certain things that would then help my organic search and my Google AdWords and things like that so that I can guarantee that I'm not just number 15 on the rotation list, right? You can, yes, because those with a lower budget will get less exposure, obviously. And you could set your budget within there. Let's say you're just starting out, brand new business and you're like, okay, I'm going to give this a go, I'm going to put 300 bucks as my budget. People knows compared to the other ones that put their money in there. Some people are at 1,000, some people are at 1,500, some people are at 2,000 a month. So they know based on your budget that your ad needs to show about this amount of time to maximize that budget. So it's really all about the money and the budget you set in that campaign, how often you show and the level of competition. Is there anything that we could be doing right now that before we jump on that bandwagon and start paying the, I guess, top dollar so that we can be in the top spot? Is there anything that we can be doing that will help us promote our business moving into 2020? Is it more blogs? Is it more email? Is it less email? Is it more videos? Is there something specific we can do that can help boost the visibility in our cleaning businesses? To be everywhere you possibly can be that your ideal market is at. And where is that? That's, I mean, it's all over the place. So some people it's the grocery store with flyers on the wall and some people it's car magnets when you're driving down the street. The bottom line is it all depends on your budget. And if you have a lower budget, you're going to have to go with more of those local kind of efforts, attend the chamber meeting, put the magnets on, hang the flyers, work up a couple reoccurring customers where you have some kind of revenue and then start spending it on Google, local Google ads, SEO, your website, Facebook, you know, any other channels that are out there. So I keep hearing in the online space consistency. How important is consistency moving through 2020 that you either have the same ads posted in the same spots or that you create a blog post every day at a certain time or every week at a certain time or whatever? How important is consistency as far as creating a visual in 2020? Consistency isn't necessarily how many times you post here or post there. It's just making sure you are posting there, you know, Instagram, it's not anything new for the marketing world, but it's new for small businesses. And people are kind of getting tired of Facebook and all that absorption of over information and Instagram kind of makes that a nice balance because it's image based. It kind of takes away that stress of social media and just make it image based. So at that point, we're talking about branding. You're putting your company out there, you're targeting local customers in your area, so you want to talk geographically about that area, 10 best things to do in my city, something that your customer would be interested in, even if you're not talking about a cleaning service, you're touching them. It's important to make sure that you're there when they need you. And is that branding that you're talking about for Instagram, and I know you also do the Google AdWords and the Facebook ads and all those kinds of things, is that branding something that you can help our listeners with? Yeah, absolutely. You know, here's the thing. So I don't find that branding is important until you're hitting that over $600,000 a year in revenue. Your marketing budget should be 7% to 8% of gross revenue. If you have that budget, you can pretty much absorb that all in lead generation. So lead generation being Google Guarantee, Google AdWords, SEO. Some people have had some success with Facebook ads. That kind of lead generation, where you're pumping leads into your business, these people need the service now. It's filling your gaps in your schedule. It's helping you grow, that kind of thing. So for 2020, then focus more on the lead generation instead of the branding necessarily. It all depends on what stage of what your business is in.  Show your business is active on social media, because people want to see that you're alive. But don't dedicate a ton of resources to it, because there's other things that could be more streamlined, take less of your time, and still create more revenue. Now if you're at that $600,000 plus, a million plus, absolutely. A lot of businesses that I talked to when they were at that point, they kind of flatline. They've hit kind of a market saturation, where the lead gen has become less effective because they're so well known. They've been out there for so long, it's not coming in like it used to. So now that's when branding comes important. And now you want to capture that market that doesn't know about you, that one that has been using a franchise cleaning service for five years. And now it's time for you to tell them why you're better, or offer them a better solution. We offer a free strategy session right down on our site, GetCleaningClicks.com. If you Google that, that will pop up. You'll see the call to action to fill out the form. You fill out the form and we'll jump on a quick phone call just to touch base with each other and make sure that our goals are in line. And then schedule a strategy session where we'll actually go in, do a market analysis for you, look at your competition, see what they're doing, and then offer you a solution around that. I love this. Thank you so much. I know that there are so many cleaning business owners. This is the year that they're going to make the huge difference. So thank you so much for joining us today. This was super helpful. And I'm going to leave links in the show notes as well where our listeners can find your information. As always, thank you very much, Angela. It's a pleasure to be here. Alrighty, guys. And that is Ray Molasky from GetCleaningClicks. I'm going to leave links in the show notes to everything that he talked about so you guys can find him, have a conversation with him, and find out how you can take your business to the next level through online marketing in the new year. I'm super excited that we were able to have him on our show today. So thank you so much, Ray, for your time, your attention, and your energy. If you found this helpful, please pass it on to a friend. If we've earned your subscription, please subscribe. And until we meet again, leave the world a cleaner place than when you found it.


There's history here! And here. There's history there! History is everywhere! I must thank Ron and Maureen for having me. I don't know about annoying and all that, but it would be a bit of an overstatement. My grandfather moved to the Rogue Valley in 1910 to grow pears from Illinois. And so this now is the 107th year that we've been growing pears in the Rogue Valley and still learning. The Talon Irrigation District actually now irrigates 13,100 acres of land here in the Rogue Valley. And it all began really when the first minors headed for California wandered into Southern Oregon. And this kind of began a little migration here so that in 1850 a couple of fellows by the name of College and Pool discovered gold in Jacksonville. And of course that started a migration to Southern Oregon. It was soon recognized that fruit trees grew well here as well as other crops. We are fortunate to be able to grow quite a assortment of crops here in Rogue Valley because of our warm weather, fairly long summers. And one of the factors that has held growing crops back is the lack of irrigation. We have long hot dry summers, many times three months new irrigation, which is fine for growing fruit because rain on the fruit crop is not necessarily good. But to grow good crops, pasture, hay, grain, anything that grows needs irrigation when you have three months of dry weather. So the first settlers here established some orchards in the late 1850s. And it was interesting that in 1860 the Billings family came here in a covered wagon and they carried with them walnut and pear seedlings. Seeds, excuse me, there were no seedlings, couldn't carry nursery stock across the great plains in a covered wagon and get them here. So they had the seeds to start a few fruit trees probably not to grow commercially, but something for their own use as they were going to settle here. Then the start of the irrigation cycle here actually began in 1851. Jacob Wagner filed a water ride on Wagner Creek and irrigated property at the corner of Rap Road and Wagner Creek Road. And there is a monument there commemorating that. And then the next piece of the agricultural puzzle and the demand for irrigation came with the arrival of the Southern Pacific Railroad, which arrived here in 1884. Actually construction started that in Portland to tie a railroad to San Francisco in 1868. So it took them 16 years to get that thing from Portland to Medford. But what that did, it developed markets for the fruit that was growing here which was pretty limited by the local market. But at Paris in particular were impacted by the railroad huge degree because a pair do not grow well in the eastern United States because of the human climate. And there is a disease which we are a bacteria that we have in the Rogue Valley here called fire blight.  And once the tree is infected which usually comes through the blooms that portion of the tree has to be removed. It moves in the sap and can go to the roots and kill the tree. So consequently most of the pairs of the United States are produced in the three western states where we have hot dry summers. Fruit production of course began, really grew as I mentioned when the railroad arrived and in 1891 fruit production grew dramatically here because of that. But without irrigation trees would not produce fruit uniformly every year. So on the dry years they had very little and on rainy years they had more than the market could absorb. So that variability made marketing difficult to manage. So the growers recognized that irrigation was needed and then at that time the United States Reclamation Service took interest in the Rogue Valley Basin at grower requests. This was in 1915. TID, the Town of Irrigation District, was formed with a board of directors in 1916. That first board was made up of R.E. Robinson, he was the chairman, O.A. Manning, and J.W. Miller. The first manager was Louis Brown and they had an attorney, Louis, excuse me, I've got that, I've made a mistake there, and they had an engineer, F.C. Dillard. With the formation of TID, just before the formation of TID, the U.S. Reclamation Service and the Statement of Oregon agreed with the contract that they would withdraw all the unappropriated waters from Gold Ray throughout the rest of the Rogue River tributary system. So that then gave a source of water to an irrigation district for diversion from these streams that had not been claimed. Yes, definitely, excuse me. And thanks to Maureen, we have a beautiful slide here which she has put a lot of work into. That is a map of the talent facility pretty much based along Bear Creek, and we call this the Bear Creek Valley, sometimes rather than the Rogue River Valley. Immigrant Creek and Ashland Creek were some of the first diversions for irrigation. And so the talent irrigation started diverting those undocumented waters that had not been filed upon. And so they started diverting that from Ashland Creek, Immigrant Creek and some of the smaller creeks in that Ashland, between Ashland and town. Then really the first project that they did to develop irrigation was what they called the McDonald Creek Diversion, which was actually a diversion of water from McDonald Creek which is in the Applegate Watershed. And that was what they called Unit 1. And that still exists today, however it is limited, it is much that when the Applegate Irrigators call for the water, then the McDonald ditch is shut down. So consequently, irrigators on that system run out of water in June or July, which is only just a diversion. And they tunnel through the mountain to get it on the Rogue River side of the drainage and no reservoir was ever built. And I understand that was part of the reason that we don't have a better claim on that water. And I asked if there was a place for a reservoir up there and I got no answer. So that may be the reason none was ever put there, but probably some further development could have helped our position, but as of now the water right for that is sub to the Applegate people. And here is the monument at the corner of Wagner Creek Road and Rapp Road which commemorates the first irrigated piece of property and the first water right in the state of Oregon. So that happened right here. We had a lot of people of foresight to develop all this and become interested. As you can see there's 5,722,400 acres of agricultural land in the state of Oregon. 43% of those agricultural lands are irrigated. The value of Oregon crops is $4,500,000. 77% of that comes from those 43% of irrigated lands. That's $4 billion. $4 billion, yeah. Yes, $4 billion. I thought I said billion, excuse me. And so as you can see a great percentage of the crop values come from irrigated land which is less than half of what agriculturally land we have in the state. So the figures will tell you it's all important. Pardon? Yeah, billion. Billion, yes. There are some photos of the early orchards non-irrigated. If you notice they're planted rather far apart, part of the reason for that was, and my grandfather actually grew Pears Dry Land when he first settled here, was that they would turn the vegetation under early in the spring as soon as the ground was tillable to preserve the moisture that was within the soil from the winter rains. And the only moisture that we used was for the trees that were there. But even at that, if you had a dry year you could not produce a large crop of fruit nor large fruit. I can remember when some of the demand here was for dry land peaches. Well, yes, dry land peaches are very sweet and very small and because of the size you really couldn't sell them very well. I think that was the dry land peach was rhetoric for the people who didn't have irrigation to sell them. There's the original talent irrigation office, which has been replaced, but I can remember that quite well, and the talent irrigation district is still at the same location. Another picture of the talent area, as you can see there were a lot of orchards. Fruit production was a big item here because of all the reasons that I mentioned. And we can grow pears here very well because we have cool nights and warm days and pear trees like that. And generally speaking, and I've done a lot of taste testing trying to determine what my competition was, we generally grow a better-flavored pear here than most of the districts. As you can see, the orchards don't really look very thrifty because of the lack of water. And of course that varies, as you well know, from very dry. I've experienced a nine-year drought here where the talent irrigation district actually ran out of water the last week of August. And then we have a year like this where we don't worry about water at all. Again, another picture of the drylands in the Rogue Valley and the patch of orchards here and there. Is this like early 1900s? Yeah, that would be probably late 1800s, early 1900s, right. Because really in 1916, when they really started to get serious about developing irrigation here. This is some of the structure that was being used to transport water across the low spots in the valley. That was typical architecture for holding up those foams. Very, very substantial, but of course maintenance would be high after a number of years. So now we have pipes to do the same job. Again, more of the infrastructure of transporting the water from the high points to the other high points. And of course it was functional. All they did is open up a section of the flume and dump excess water into generally a stream. Now the second project after McDonald for the talent irrigation district was the Hyatt Prairie Dam. It's three feet high and backs up 16,200 acre feet of water. It was kind of interesting how that came to be. There was a small private irrigation district called the Foothills Irrigation District. And they had filed a water right on the waters of Keen Creek. But there never was a dam built there by them. So ultimately the Foothills Irrigation District was acquired by the talent irrigation district. And thus the Hyatt Prairie Dam was built. That was actually in 1922. So that was really the first reservoir that they had, which fed water down Keen Creek into immigrant Creek and supplemented diversion from those streams. Because up until that time the irrigation district had to depend on stream flow for diversion, which we know varies throughout the summer and gets very, very low in late summer. So reservoirs were a real addition to having reliable irrigation here into the fall. Here's where I understand they're packing the soil there to build the dam. As you can see, no caterpillar tractors there. That is Hyatt Prairie Reservoir. It's really a sizable reservoir to pack up with a fairly small dam to back up that kind of acreage feed. Now this is the Samson Creek and Hill Crossing. This was to divert water. I need to have Maureen tell me. That was to divert to the West Canal. That was for the West Canal. Which is the canal that you see just outside of town here. Because they had to divert actually Bear Creek to get the water in there. So they had to traverse the low valley to get it to the canal. And that's the billing siphon that does the same thing now. That was actually installed when immigrant dam was built. Because when immigrant dam was built then that would supply the East Canal which really supplies all of the East part of the River Valley. And that was built in 1924. Originally it was a concrete dam 110 feet high. And it backed up 8,500 acre feet of water. And that gave the irrigation district the ability to divert water into the East Canal. And also they would supplement Bear Creek with reservoir water for diversion at Oak Street to the town canal. And then of course the Billings Hill siphon supplied the West Canal which is the next one up. There are actually three canals on the West side. The original McDonald Canal which they call the Upper West. There's the West which that siphon supplies. And then we have the Talent Canal which is diverted out of Bear Creek. In the 20s, in the late, in the 20s the pear industry particularly grew to about 400 growers here. We have about 15 left. They're large but there were a lot of people involved. But then in the 20s there was a recession or depression which put a big strain on all growers and businesses. And so the district or some of the growers were forced to sell orchards because marking conditions deteriorated would not, it did not create enough demand to sell the crop. Then in the late 20s, early actually 1930 when the Great Depression started then farmers in general and businesses were suffering from financial problems and the farmers could not pay their taxes. So supplementary, the TID was not getting revenue enough to pay off their bond which they had sold in 1922 from, it was done in three bond sales. In 1919 to 1922, TID sold a million, $235,000 worth of bonds to finance immigrant, the construction of canals and other facilities to distribute the water throughout the valley. And there's the building of the canal. Right there they're working in nice soil, a fairly easy job. We're going to see, and this, doing some of the infrastructure, concrete structures to divert water. And there's some of the digging that wasn't so easy. Solid rock almost. There was a lot of hard work and engineering that went into building these canals. Actually in 1927 is kind of a tribute to the new irrigation projects here in the Rogue Valley. This was done, this display was put up at the Oregon State Fair to demonstrate the assortment of products that could be produced here. Actually a beautiful piece of work. Okay, the next big project and really the last one to today was what they called the Talent Division. And in that project it was proposed to build the canal from the headwaters of Little Butte Creek and come across the clamor side over to the rogue side of the drainage and that put water into Howard Prairie then was to be constructed. That dam is 65 feet high and stores 39,000 acre feet of water. It's huge. And there were not enough drainage resources to fill it so they had to collect water from a long distance and a large area and it still takes three years to fill it, three normal years to fill that dam. But once those reservoirs were all full it is estimated that we could withstand three years of drought. Now when we had nine years of drought that was another story. They raised that another hundred feet. It raised the storage capacity from 8,900 acre feet to 39,000 acre feet. And they had to reroute Highway 66 to go around it and evolve probably into Emergent Lake. When you drive in the road to enter the lake area they had to build the dam across the saddle there to hold the increased depth of water in. So it's too capacity now. And it's part of the system with that enlargement Emergent Creek by itself would not have enough drainage area to fill. So water from Howard Prairie and Highette Lake all are diverted into this reservoir. And the water from Howard Prairie runs year round through a generation plant at the foot of the Greensprings just south of Ashland, southeast of Ashland that generates 10,000 kilowatts of power. And that was a cash cow that helped pay for a good share of that project. Pardon? What happened to Klamath Junction when they raised this? They had to build the road around. Was it under the water before they raised it? Well actually they rerouted the highway before the dam was finished so when the dam was closed and the reservoir was formed there was passageway around. But the road actually cut across the south end of Emergent Lake. And for this project it was budgeted $12,180,000. $12 million of that, $12,321,000 was actually for irrigation. And the water from this project was to be shared by TID which got the majority, Medford Irrigation District and the Rogue River Irrigation District. So they all have a portion of the water that was impounded from these three projects. To pay for that, TID was granted a loan from the federal government for $5,810,000. They were given 70 years to pay it off at no interest. So without that help this project would have never happened. But it now serves us 30 inches of water a year. I think we can actually get 42 inches of water but whatever you use over 30 inches you have to pay the additional price and it's very expensive water. But 30 inches is very adequate to raise a crop in this valley. To raise a crop of pears in a normal year takes about 24 inches of water. However, we do sprinkle and the sprinkler irrigation does conserve water. To go back just a little bit there was an interesting period for the TID in about 1990. For 25 years up to 1990 the Irrigation District used a choline which was an algae side to keep the water clean in the irrigation canal. And we had beautiful water. No moss problems at all. But in 1990 we were challenged for using that product, we being the Irrigation District because there was a fish kill that happened because the gate was left open and some of that water got into Bear Creek. Before a $3 million lawsuit was levied against the TID and my timing was not very good because I became on the board of directors in 1999. So in 2000 we get hit with a $3 million lawsuit and it was kind of ironic, I replaced Don Maynere on the board and when he decided to retire he came to me and asked me if I would run. He says, no problem, it's easy. I remember Don for that little misleading statement. But anyway, other ways had to be found to rid the moss from the canal because if left unchecked, it's almost impossible to get water from the head of the canal to the end. It will almost plug the canal. And so the next alternative was to build moss rakes which I personally detest because they make a huge mess and if you're irrigating below where they're working and you have sprinklers you're just going to get shut down. The flood irrigators can operate because the moss and the material in the water does not inhibit them as much but it does discourage people from using sprinkler irrigation so consequently we don't use our water as efficiently as we could as if we had clean water. But up till today no alternative has been found to replace a corolline other than the moss rake. There were some... Oh and the three million dollar lawsuit, that finally went to court and the board headed travel to Salem before a federal judge. Fortunately he was somewhat sympathetic to agriculture and the suit was actually brought by... Freshwater trust. The freshwater... no it wasn't the freshwater... Headwaters, yes. It was brought by headwaters and it wasn't because we killed the fish it was because we didn't have what you called an NPDES permit which is not available at the time. Actually the corolline was being used under registration for that product so what was being done was thought to be totally legal. Then there was a court battle over the fact that we did not have this NPDES permit which stands for National Pollution... I've got it here. It was the National Pollution Elimination Service. So consequently most irrigation districts had to stop using the corolline and most used some mechanical means to clear the moths out but the problem was it takes a lot of material out of the canal that should not be removed, makes a huge mess and makes your getting very difficult for those below the cleaning process. Now headwaters actually settled for $250,000 judgment which we didn't have, we didn't have the $3 million, didn't have the $250,000 either but that was granted and they did contribute some money to what we called a moth cutter which was to cut moths high pressure with high pressure water it would develop 3,000 pounds pressure but the problem with it was when you had to move it over any kind of obstruction like a bridge or a road crossing, it would lose its prime and very difficult to get going so it proved to be not a good project so there was money spent trying to find a solution that they contributed $25,000 to but did not work. Now since then there have been I believe three screens put on the canals to take moss and other debris out of the water and put it on the bank where it's later hauled away and they did contribute $25,000 to that so $50,000 that the $250,000 was actually donated back to the TID district and then the remainder was paid off. Yes? On Terry Lane is a small canal and a paddle wheel always has streamers of moss on it. Right and that is there because of the moss problem and what it does it turns a cleaning mechanism for a screen to prevent moss from going down that lateral. So it's supposed to be catching moss. It's not catching moss. All it is doing is turning a brush to clean the screen it keeps the moss from entering the lateral. But it does look like it looks very messy. All right now there is a picture of the power plant and I forget what road is that on again Maureen? Buck Springs Road. Buck Springs Road, okay. That comes down from the Keen Creek Reservoir which is nothing more than a reservoir where the waters from Howard Prairie and Hyatt Lake are regulated for this power plant and there's a pipeline from there down to here that actually ends up giving them 2,000 pounds of pressure there. It was one of our problems when I was on the board we had to have a valve to shut off that water so that the plant could be repaired and it was hard to find a company that would guarantee a valve to shut off water at that pressure. So it was quite a project but a huge amount of power is diverted there to produce those 10,000 kilowatts of power. Well I believe it's... I think it used to be PPNL but it's Pacific Power now, yeah. Reversed? No, no. All it was at the head of that pipeline there's a reservoir there and I think you'll pass it when you go over the Greensprings Highway and that's just to regulate the flow so you don't have an overflow there or a problem. You have a constant supply of water for the power plant yet no overflow into the drains, you know. So that's an aerial view of the power plant which then that water that goes through the plant goes into immigrant Greek and then ultimately into immigrant lake. So that is part of the system to fill that very large lake that was rebuilt. Good question. Power Prairie Canal? The Howard Prairie Canal, yes, that brings water down to Keen Creek and then from that Keen Creek reservoir it goes into the pipeline down to the power plant. How big a pipeline? That I do not know. I believe it's about 2,000 feet but I know there is 2,000 pounds of pressure at the power plant. Now with the enlargement of those three reservoirs most of the available water resources are developed in this valley that can be allowed to be developed. So there is a next step being considered may not happen in my lifetime. It's called the WISE project and the WISE project calls for all the canals to be piped because what we're doing now we're bringing water from high in the mountains and we drop it down into the valley, of course we make power with it but then we have to pump it back up on the field. Some, of course, is gravity flow but if you're going to use a pressurized system it's got to be pumped. If that pipeline would occur it would eliminate the moss problem and almost eliminate pumping. And for the orchards water is one method of frost control. As you've seen orchards in the valley with overtree sprinklers which is frost control that's one method of water frost control. The problem with it is you have to turn it on every time you have a little frost and if you run it all night and maybe it clouds in you still have to run it because when you shut it off the temperature drops again. So you run this water maybe for a week straight and then you've got a spray you know you have a mud hole. So there are some downsides. There are some downsides to having the trees wet for that long but it is a good method of frost control and how that works I've heard people say you know the ice insulates the fruit well that's the total fallacy. What makes that work is when a pound of water drops one degree it does give off one BTU of stored heat but when it's frozen to ice it gives off 144 BTUs per pound that is the protection that saves the fruit. Now that same theory works with under tree sprinklers also and this is something that I have used and tried. We've set it up on a 15 acre block where we have the water to do it because one of the problems with frost control out of the irrigation system is first of all there is no water for frost control and second of all they don't turn the water on until about the first of April and you need protection in say the middle of March on but we have a pond where we can do that but at any rate we did not really know how under tree water irrigation in conjunction with those fans would work in 19 and 2012 we had this set up and hoping for a frost which never happens only once in a lifetime but we got a frost where we needed to hold the temperature in the orchard to 29 well the best we could do with the fans and supplementing with the orchard heaters was 27 where we had the water and the fan combination we did hold 29 so it was actually 2 degrees better than the fan heater combination so in my opinion if we had the wise project we could probably do away with all the heaters which would be a real blessing now when we started heating at our orchard in about 1960 we could buy diesel for 11 cents a gallon so the cost wasn't a big deal it was cheaper in water but when it got to a dollar a gallon then something had to be done so fans and water were the two alternatives and together they worked extremely well alright now the wise project to go a little further the way that became an idea was that the city of Medford needed to dispose of their water from their disposal plant and they were doing it into Rogue River but then standards were set where the temperature of that water was too high for the standards that were set up for the fish so then they became interested in this project they had the money that would maybe make it possible agriculture by itself could not do it and at that time it was estimated to cost $100 million but it's still being studied because what was going to happen we were going to irrigate the lower valley with the water from the disposal plant which was quite safe for irrigating crops probably two-thirds of the lettuce produced now is irrigated with refined water from the disposal plants it's next to drinking water pure but then the standard was changed so then the city was not faced with cooling their disposal water so then they dropped the interest in the wise program but it's still being studied because the benefits of moss control gravity pressure make it well worth considering plus the benefits of maybe frost control plus a 30% saving in water about 30% of the water collected for irrigation is lost through the canals, rock formations, porous dirt formations and so about a 30% increase in water supply would be achieved so that is and probably one of the only alternatives to increased water supply, irrigation water and other uses here in the valley Has the requirements changed because a lot of the orchards are gone now? Well, pot needs a lot of water I guess the orchards are down about half from their peak about 5,000 acres from a one-time high of 12 that's been replaced by grapes and other crops and there are water districts being formed where developments are served, their lawns and whatnot are served by the irrigation district so this is an alternative for the district to stay in business it would provide the revenue they need and inexpensive water for homeowners that won't use it for the lawns and gardens and the WISE project is the end of my presentation but questions are quite welcome Yes, go ahead The piping that's going on at Oak Street now is that kind of a WISE project? No, that has nothing to do with the WISE project that's separate, yes They're piping the ditch, so they're saving the water No question about that, it is to save water and I believe it's something to do with the fish screen and whatnot like that but the WISE project so far is just a plan Just a plan? Go ahead The irrigation district is owned by all the water users and we are all bonded to pay off that $84,000 a year and so we are the owners However, the three projects that were built by the Reclamation Bureau will still be owned by the US government even after that $5 million loan is paid off and that's going to be up to future boards to determine how to approach that idea There's been thought what if the district would assume ownership of the dam but goes along with that the risk of keeping the dams safe which could be very expensive and so a lot of numbers are going to have to be put to that subject revenue from the power plant hopefully if that came as a package the $84,000 a year we pay now could be used to build funds and maybe insurance to protect but that's for future boards to determine but I have suggested that that be put to numbers Alright, anyone else?  Oh yes, that was the second project the TID undertook and it was the first reservoir that was built for their use and Hyatt Prairie was a dam built on Keen Creek and that water right was acquired as I mentioned earlier through the Foothills Irrigation District which was ultimately acquired by TID so that made that possible but that feeds water down Keen Creek to the Keen Creek Reservoir then goes through the power plant and then goes into Emmergan Creek and ultimately into Emmergan Dam to help fill it because Emmergan Dam after the enlargement will not fill from natural water flows in Emmergan Creek Yes, go ahead The TID facility down by the roundabout there was talk about moving that whole facility somewhere? Oh where the yard is Well the City of Talent would like to have that for the urban renewal but so far they're not offering enough money for the district to move and it's the board's decision and a lot of patrons have recommended this that it should not cost TID water users money to move so if urban renewal can't cover the cost then it should stay where they're at It is a public entity and the City of Talent cannot condemn it So it's a matter of money Yes, go ahead There's no lawsuit right now as such The diversion of that water from the clamor side to this side has been somewhat of a bone of contention However in reality it really doesn't affect the clamor side that much because that canal picks up a lot of high mountain streams that go dry in the summer and it wasn't for those reservoirs Howard Prairie in particular in Emmergan that water would be lost So it doesn't really impact them that much and the talent irrigation district and the board have been in communication with the clamor farmers The last thing that we wanted to fight between the farmers over that water Who was responsible for that? Maintaining what now? All the facilities that we know as TID Well TID is responsible However since the federal government still owns the dams they're responsible for maintaining those But TID is responsible for the rest of the system All the canals All the pipes All the gates Everything And the cleaning and all that There is the Beeson Robinson irrigation district which is managed by TID but they are not responsible for maintenance Yes, go ahead The bond will be paid off in 2036 Actually as I mentioned earlier the U.S. government will still own them even though that five million dollars was paid off And some of the complications are as I mentioned that twenty one million it took to build a portion of that was allocated to flood control and fish and other items other than irrigation So particularly flood control and the fish and recreation would have to be solved in some kind of ownership by the town of irrigation district It would be a very complicated process And we do have a very able board of directors that have had for many many years and to bridge the droughts like we had in 2016 they do shut off the water in October as soon as the majority irrigation is finished Now there are people who irrigate would irrigate all year round if the water was there I'm sure But they do shut it off as soon as possible in the fall to hold as much water in reserve for the next season And that actually saved us in 2016 by carrying 2015 water over into the next irrigation season Now there is a conflict there between that and the flood control because the reclamation bureau has regulations where the reservoirs have to be kept at a certain level to provide flood control and the water is released during the winter to keep it at those levels Now the trick is to shut it off in time to fill and that's where Jim Pendleton in particular has to do a lot of a lot of guessing to do that because it would be kind of a tragedy if we had a rainy season and this water would go for flood control and end up with a not-filled full reservoir I noticed this year that they've actually let out a few weeks ago they let out a foot of water and now just a few days ago they let out another foot of water Yes, because when it gets above the level dictated by reclamation bureau they have to release it How much of that flood control handled by packing the distribution system? Not by packing the distribution system There's a certain amount of water that's held in the distribution system and to some extent Not really, the ditches are dried during the winter Yes, but I meant for flood control Filling it up there Well, so far that hasn't been necessary You know we had the thousand-fear flood I think was back in about 68-69 and the dams did control the floods So as far as I know there's no plan to load the distribution system for flood control Of course, when we have floods like that probably the system is already full and that's going to be another problem if the WISE program ever comes to reality Is it now those irrigation canals carry off floodwaters and put them in creeks and rivers and that will be gone if it's all piped And probably subsurface water that provides water to shallow wells could be affected because the leakage from the canals and whatnot would disappear Is the percolation that much? Yes, well it's 30% of the water now That's a lot, yes There's no areas really open Just landowners are generally okay with people walking on the ditch banks as long as there's no vandalism That's what causes landowners concern if things get broken from people passing through but actually nobody has any right to use those right-of-ways Even TID employees cannot use it when they're off duty So that's how the law is but in reality a lot of people don't mind and some people do So that's what you have to contend with