Here we go. Woohoo! Exciting. Random. But everyone's doing tier lists these days, so you know you're like, hey, let's do one. I thought that this one was actually kind of a funny one, because you can sort of just look back and be upset about how wrong everything is. Absolutely. There's so many people of the mindset are like, why do you still watch the show, though? It's all off. Yeah, we got the people who were like, why do you still watch it? And then on the other side, it's the people who are like, huh, it's always been bad. And then on another side, it's like, if you don't like it, don't watch it. Yeah, it's a nice selection of every possible perspective. Mine is just, I was always going to see it through, I think. Yeah. I wonder, I don't know if, like, would you have continued if there were going to be a season nine at this point? You mean like with the exact same season that we've been getting? Yeah, like, in this season ends with John, I don't know.  It would have been almost impossible for me to keep going after this season, especially after the old Azar High shit. I was just thinking about it to myself. It was a completely different show, maybe, but. Yeah, not at this point. But yes, welcome, peoples of the world, to me and Wolf, ranking the characters of Game of Thrones. Can you see my, you can actually make custom, like, ranking things? Got a. Got S-A-B-C-D-F, then the lowest rank is Rickon tier, because that's just like, I don't know if there's anybody worse than Rickon, but we'll find that out. I know what's funny is that Rickon had more lines in Dracula untold than he did. Yeah, all of Game of Thrones. Oh, boy. Everyone's doing the fucking. Everyone's doing the meme where it's like, look what they did to my boy with, like, every single thing to do with Game of Thrones. I just love, I don't know, even in the books, what does Rickon do?   Like that was the purpose of Rickon. But I mean, I just I find myself wondering, it's like, what? But how's the point? Like, yeah, you nailed it. I might be misremembering this, but wasn't Davos in the books like just about to go save Rickon from somewhere? Horrible. And then the books never really explained why it was horrible. And I'm pretty sure that was like a cliffhanger that was supposed to be sealed up in the new book, but it's been a long time. They'll get to it eventually. No, they won't. But yeah, so do you want to do you want to start with candidate number one? Now, how are we ranking this exactly? Oh, right. Yeah. So there's choices you could do where they rank at their best, where they rank at a particular season cut off or where they rank currently as a whole. I don't know what else we could do about that. So when we're saying which one is the best, because a lot of them are good for different reasons, like you can't really compare a character like Tywin to a character like John. That is true. I don't know. Chat, what are your ideas? How do we what do we do like character? What does it even mean character at the best? Like the most complicated because it's going to be too subjective. The point was to say interesting character. But we could just do that and see if we we come to a relative agreement. Like a combo of interesting and well written. Is like Geo Mormont, there's nothing wrong with him. He hasn't been written badly in any way, shape or form, but he's not too complicated.  It's like he's not that interesting. He's fine. Yeah.   In which case, we're just going to have to go by season two and season three, Tyrion. Yeah, but we can't. We've got to I think we have to consider all seasons. It's season ranks. We can't do like a season. What are these for every season? We just pretend that seasons four, five, six or no, five, six, seven and eight didn't happen. Like, should we just figure this out as we go along? So. Oh, Brandon Stark, where does he go? Oh, way toward the bottom. Yeah, I know he's especially in his current state. He's not even a character is his current state. What is he aside from King? He says things that are like, oh, that a thing that was strange. Look at that. Check that out. What could that mean trying to think of what he's done in like the earlier seasons and I can't think of anything aside from getting pushed out a window and then immediately becoming a nothing character. Was he ever a character?  I mean, there was something there when he was like a kid climbing the walls of Winterfell and then that ended immediately. And when the arm was like, I've taken Winterfell and he's like, no, you won't you'll never take it. And even if you try, we'll throw you out. Like he was like a mini doc. Oh, yeah. I don't remember the the character's name, but the dude that Theon be heads. Oh, again, that's that's not really based upon the guy with the crazy sideburns. Yeah. I feel like I should know this, especially since the books are castellan, something castellan, I think, or castell. Rod Roderick. Yeah, that's the one. Sir, Roderick.  Roderick, I don't know. Anyway, I'm I'm happy with F tier, like he's almost worthless. He's very close to worthless.    And then three and four, he's struggling to like stay afloat, which is interesting.  Does that put him at like a B or a C? I want to go a C to be safe. Um, how does chat feel about this? You got A's, B's, D's, B. You're welcome all to vote. You'll be able to sway me and Wolf's perspective because you know that by the time we finish this, this will be the official definitive take that everyone in the planet will adopt. You guys know this could never change. Oh, most people are saying B's then. Do you reckon Wolf? Do you say C to be safe? Yeah, because he really did start to go toward season three and four. He wasn't quite gone. He was still interesting, but then everything after four was horrid. I loved it in season, I think it's four, where he gets drunk as I am the god of tits and wine. I was like, yeah, because it's a reference.  Um, it is B's, you know, it would probably be between B and C. That's probably why we're struggling with this. Um, be like a B minus. Yeah, I'm going to leave him in B. I feel like who knows, you might recover by the end of this season to at least do something next up is Mason or grand maester Picell. Oh, Jesus. I should really like by cell. You know what's really bad is the one that my favorite scene of Picell is deleted. Have you seen it where he talks to Ty? Oh, yeah, the one the one where he like lets the whole mask drop and he just talks to Ty when like normal. Yeah, like, uh, can we put in D tier? Like, why? There's nothing wrong with him. He never does anything. This is whole thing is he's cowardly and tries to stay under the radar in order to live for the longest. And he pretty much did achieve that. He just yeah. But he didn't really offer anything. No, he doesn't mean he's an interesting character, but he's not exactly a good character beyond the interest. Are we going with like the fact that he has like no impact really? Yeah. He's mainly there to be annoying. Yeah, like a pawn of Susie. Well, he's the pawn of the Lannisters. So where would you put him then? C tier? I'd put him I put him I'm going to say C because he's not offensively bad. But he's not good. So I'm going to go with C. I'm happy with C. Forgot the scene where he fought. I don't remember that one. Which scene was that one? I I remember the scene where he got his beard cut off. And the scene where the scene where he got stabbed. And that was creepy. All the kids and Dwarf stab stabbing him. It was like, oof, all the little birds. All right, Hodor. Oh, A tier. Really? I say B. I think we have to like ignore bad writing for this and take all of the writing as if it's like just a things that happened and that they did happen to be able to judge these characters, because I don't think there's anything wrong with Hodor. He's just, you know, he's Hodor. So he held the door, man. He did hold the door. We think it's C that or B. I'm saying B. E.T. of a Hodor. Yeah, because at least Hodor did something and like went out like a champ. Wasn't that much of a character, though? Oh, no, but he's also retarded, so you can't really blame him. That's, you know, that's fair enough. He's as good of a character as he can be for his position. He tries his best. OK. Frankie gets his Hodor, Renly Baratheon. He died before I even really got to know. Yeah, early season two, stabbed by a vagina demon. He did. Yeah.  So I want to give him credit for being an intelligent one. I feel like we could have liked him a lot if he had stayed around for a bit longer. Yeah, he was an I liked his character until he died.  That's his character. He's more than just the gay. He was the only one who was rational enough to tell Ned Stark, like, hey, let's just take it because, you know, it's going to go down. I'd say I'd say a solid B. Solid B. I think that's relatively. Then we got Roz, the one that most people would forgot as well, because she died in season three. She was the the whore from Winterfell, who went to King's Landing, worked for Littlefinger and then Varys and then got killed by Joffrey. I genuinely don't remember this one. She's not got a lot of character. Let's hold on. I need to look. How do you spell her name? R-O-S, I think. And she was invented for the show. I don't believe she's in the book. Roz, was she the one that he like? Oh, that one. What did she do? OK, so she slept with Tyrion and Theon. And then there was like a joke about how like the on kind of was like partially in love with it. And he was and he was like, you could be the she was the one that I lifted her skirt for him. Yeah. And then she ends up in King's Landing, where she rises up through the whole ranks, I think, with the whore. With Littlefinger. She's like the boss of the whores. And then she sees the whole thing with the Baratheon kids are getting executed. Oh, right.  So you better get used to this sort of thing. And then Varus hires her to spy. And then Littlefinger sells her to Joffrey to be killed essentially. Yeah.  And she's so forgettable. I get to say F. F. I was going to say D. Just because, you know, nothing really happens with her. But there's nothing wrong with it. Like with so F tier, I imagine is like, like we said, brands even have a character. Well, she didn't really have much of a character either.  And then she chose to betray Littlefinger. That's something. Yeah, but. And she died for it. You know, I don't know. I think that's slightly more interesting. Maybe because there's so many characters, I should introduce another tier between. I'll put one below Roz and call it. Minus, I guess. The tier between tiers. Yeah, give that a D minus and then we'll put one. Yeah, call it D minus, I guess. As long as you can see most of it, that'll work. So wait, who was in B minus if we did this? Oh, it was Grand Mace to Pysel, right? Oh, yeah. Yeah, it was Pysel. Do you think we'd move any of the people in B right now to B minus? I'm on the edge of putting Tyrion there. Also, yeah, that's right. I should have just called this tier E, apparently. I'm retarded. The FG, yeah, what did you say, sorry? I'm kind of on the edge of putting Tyrion there, but I don't know. Hmm. What do you think, Chat? You know, E is a thing, right? When you use one through nine. Oh, I don't know. Because this is how it is a default. They have doubles. That is Hodor and Hodor tier. I cannot do that. Only the two best and worst get to do. Look how they slaughtered Tyrion. E triple A, randomly B minus. Do you think? What do you think, Wolf? I don't know. I think Renly is a pretty solid B. But taking into account what they did with Tyrion. I really feel like he's a B minus. I mean, I'm inclined to agree with you. I kind of feel like it's a bit much to put him in B, but for anybody who's like late joining this thing, they'll probably be like, what are you, what is this? Why are they there? You have to go back for all the rationales, people. Tyrion, Tyrion was a great character. Are you making this unlisted or keeping it? I'm probably going to put it on Mula. I figure that makes sense because it's the EFAP format as well on the stream. All right, Sansa is next. Oh, God, C. E will be a reasoning for that. Hmm. Fuck, that was, I don't know. Because I was going to say, like, honestly, I think she's like one of the higher tier ones. I don't really like her personally, but she's got a lot going for her in terms of the history and then the journey being a protege of Cersei, then Littlefinger, then Ramsay. Finally, like, growing into this actitian. I'm actually hoping she cracks some kind of plan in the end of the two episodes. Make a payoff for actually doing something.  I was like, okay. But now she seems to actually be in control and I like her button heads with Daenerys. Even gone to an extent. I feel like if she didn't have that thing with Daenerys though, yeah, but I think it makes sense that both of them are in those positions. She wants the best for the North. She's useless. She might be useless. She seems to be planning something. And in fairness, she did get Littlefinger killed. That is a thing that happened. It's not exactly a good thing. Oh, no, I think it's a terrible thing, but it's something that her character achieved. That's what I mean. I'm trying to look at it as instead of focusing on how bad the writing is, like looking at it on the surface and looking at it. Yeah. Oh. Um. Hmm. This is genuinely a tough one. We got such a wide range of chat. B, C, B, G, D, A, B, C, B, minus.  F, Renly equals C. B, B, C, F. Rick on tier. You saved the bow of the bastards? That is true. Yeah, that's true. I mean, I would con... You know what? I was about to say I'd consider putting her in A, but I'm like, no, we've got so many good characters to get to that there's no way she'd get into A. You want to leave her in B minus? I mean, B, sorry? Um... I'm leaning toward B minus. It's so weird to have her in Renly. Yeah, there as well. Such a different set of information. It's weird to remember Renly was a thing. What a thing. Do you think we maybe put him too high? I don't know. Maybe B minus. He is in Hodor's tier, you know? Yeah. All right, so if we drag Renly and Sansa down to B minus, who out of these four could be a C, if any, or they all be minuses? Hmm... C would be Pycelle probably. But Pycelle is a C. Yeah, although, I don't know, because maybe Renly deserves to be a C because even though he's not bad, he never did anything, aside from dying by a vagina. But Sansa is a C. Pycelle is a C. Oh, a lot of people say Pycelle is a C. All right, I think we can move. It seems to be relatively understood that way. Sansa is A, you monster. All right, I think... We'll try and change that. All right, I think... We'll try and change these as we go. We'll see how it goes. But next up is Gior Mormont. Ooh. I want to go with a solid B. I think he's Hodor material. I like everything that he stands for. It's a lot of... If we could go up to the characters and be like, you're on par with Hodor, you'd probably be like, what? Hodor tier, you need to be a stocky gentleman. You need white hair. You've got to not be there. I'm sure if we told Hodor that he'd just be like, oh, Hodor. Yeah. That's my boy A. This is the thing, we're going to get to good characters soon, I'm sure. Oh, Joffrey. Oh, God, A. I feel like he's A tier. He was great. So consistent. He was way too good.    I was like, wait, he's the main character though. Joffrey, please. Solid A for Joffrey. Yeah, most people in chat say that. Next up, I have forgotten her name. Kristen from Volantis, that Rob falls in love with. Oh. She had a different name in the show. Yeah. Was her name Jane in the show? No, no. Because I know there was Jane Poole in the books. What they call... Oh, Talisa. Oh, I only remember her as Rob's wife that gets stabbled. Well, I think she's very much on Rob's tier. Barely had a character. Yeah, aside from dying. Like, I like her. Fine. I think the scene we got the most out of her was when her and Rob were talking about sending a letter or something. Yeah, and that. Not much. I only remember her name. She's below brand tier. That could just be me though. Ooh, Brienne. Oh. This is potential S rank as she's gone. Her story is relatively undamaged from... What does S rank mean? Just really, really good. I really like Brienne's story from start to finish. Especially with her getting knighted recently. That was like one of the only good things to come out of season 8 so far is the knighting scene. Most of chat is saying A, what do you reckon? Oh, I'm really hovering between A and S. Because she's really good. It seems hardly any S is in chat. I think she's definitely an A. I don't know. I guess because S rank is going to have people like Olenna Tyrell and probably Oberyn Martell. I'm not sure who else at this point. Tywin. Tywin's got his own tier. Tywin's got his own tier. Oh. I'd say a safe A. We've changed her. We might put her in S once we go on. Aldrogo. Aside from being the dude that rapes Daenerys and that dies, he's not really anything. I was going to say, I think you're looking at D tier. He's kind of useless. I like him. But that's also just because it's Jason Momoa and Jason Momoa is very difficult not to like. Come on chat. Is it just that you like Jason Momoa or how great is this character? Looking at D's E's, A's, B's. Aldrogo is hot. I cannot actually believe that out of this whole show, Brienne is like my favorite character. Every other good character is dead. That's the problem. Dead or ruined. Dead or ruined. I would go with a D. Yeah, same.  Aside, well, no, he did kill Kill the assassin, dude? No way. No, he killed Viserys. Yes, he did kill Viserys, you're right. Although he wasn't exactly much of a threat. Yeah, I think I think we're the whole season. The D tier is very clear right now as characters that are sort of in the show but don't really do anything and aren't really that badly written or anything. We haven't got anything for E.T. yet. The Hound. This could be S tier actually because I was about to say Brienne's got a little bit of damage being that she just fries her eyes out as Jamie leaves, which is kind of annoying. Which is why I think I might be comfortable leaving her in A, but the Hound. Is there anything wrong with the Hound? No, I even liked his interaction with Sansa last episode. As much as last episode sucked. Loads of A's for the Hound. Hound could be A as well. I'm curious if there's anything actually wrong with him. I can't think of anything that happened to his character. He's been pretty consistent. And I really enjoy him.  But he's a good guy. I would actually go with S. We'll have him in S until we decide he's not in S. Oh God, Lysa Arryn. Oh Jesus Christ. This is D or E surely. F? I mean she's better than Bran. Oh yeah, actually she did. She has a character. Technically. And she starts the Game of Thrones. Yeah, pretty much she is the... I think we attribute that to her rather than Little Fingers. Yeah, that's true. I mean, I'm not saying it counts for a law. I'm just saying it counts for more... than Bran. Yeah. E. I'm going with E. I'm happy with E, I think. What are the faults with her? Is it just because she's so repugnant? That's definitely the biggest one. She doesn't do anything aside from follow Little Fingers orders. Because that's the thing. You can't really attribute the success of Little Finger to her. I'm sure she technically did it, but he was the one that told her to do it. Do you think she's kind of on the level of the D grade characters though? We just don't like her. Well, what would separate E from a D? I guess they only ever like do one thing. Because the D characters kind of did one thing. And Lysa certainly did one thing. We'll leave her in D for now unless Chat feels that's unfair. She's E at best. We'll see. We'll try and level it out. We'll give it an overview once we're done. So, Gilly... What does she do aside from cry? She has a few good scenes when they go to the Tali family. Sure. You have to finally actually understand a bit about her beyond. She has some good things she says with Sam and stuff. She's probably a D grade again. Yeah, I mean she does... She says things, but does she do things? Are you saying that this might be our first E grade? Because she's not really... Yeah. I don't think she commits to any actions. Yeah, it's not that I really dislike her as a character. It's just that she doesn't do anything. She does bugger all. She's kind of just Sam's girlfriend with a baby. Someone said she fits in the skins. We'll barely now. Oh. Skins is a TV show. She was in... Oh. They said she's fit in skin. That guy's clearly British because he's like a Britman. How does Chat feel? F, C, E... I think she's... I think she's E tier. Yeah, I think that'll be our grading for E. Lancel Lannister. I like how her only contribution to this season is getting fat. Yeah. Uh, Lancel. Jesus. He technically was involved with Robert Brathian's death. He then became the Faith Militant dude.  I'm starting to find it interesting that we have Pycelle above these people in D grade when Pycelle really didn't do anything. Just that he's on screen for so much that it's kind of like hard to... I think it's kind of... We just find it more interesting. Yeah. Maybe we should put it in D. Maybe. Everyone's going to end up in D. Do you want to put Lancel in C because he actually commits to a couple of actions? He's in a decent amount of it and then pull Pycelle out of it? Yeah. And Lancel can be off C. I'm happy with this. Again, this isn't... This is really hard to actually make consistent here. This isn't about how much me and Wolver like these characters really. We don't even really know exactly how we're ranking this. It's complicated. Ned Stark. Oof. Oh yeah, S, obviously. Sorry. Yeah, that's like a perfect character. Will the hound stay in S rank? We will find out. I love how we don't even need to talk about it. He's just S.  What is the gendry? He doesn't really do anything aside from run really fast to the wall that one time. Yeah. Because I really like his character when I really try to think of what he's done. I've drawn a real big blank. He was in a lot of season 2, funnily enough, right? He's like in the whole thing almost. Yeah. I mean, he's in a good chunk of the show until he leaves and shows back up in season 7, but beyond that... Well, that's a C's, D's and a couple of F's. He doesn't, yeah, he doesn't really do anything. I don't want to put him in F. It's got to be, it's between C, D and E. I'm just not sure. Did we even see him during the battle in Winterfell? Oh, no, we did. Yeah, he was fighting with Tormund, wasn't he? Oh, god. He's like a... He is like a D. Yeah, I think, I think... There's going to be a lot of characters that end up in D grade, I think. Maybe we'll just reevaluate D and see if we can push some up or down at one point. Oh, god, Benjen Stark. This is, this is like... He saves Jon Snow. That's all he does in the entire show. Well, he does save Bran and Thingy as well, so... He's not even a character, really. He's got cold hands. You reckon this is the first, like, company Bran can have in F grade? The only character you get from him is, like, in Season 1 Episode 1. Yeah. And that's it, really. Yeah, because then he leaves immediately after that and then he's gone for the entire rest of the show until Season 6. The mayor chats pretty much go with Fs on this one. Okay, Bran, you finally got a friend. He's a relative too, so... Oh, fuck, what's this kid's name? Lyce's son? Oh, Robin? Robin Aaron. That's the one, yeah. Like, we're looking at probably E grade, right? It says things, and he's not really in charge, obviously. He's really annoying. Jesus Christ, I kind of want to put him... Well, I... I subjectively don't want to put him in F only because he's hilarious in Season 6. Yeah, this is kind of why I'm putting him in E. It's like, he's not awful or anything. Well, he's unintentionally hilarious. Well, maybe not unintentional by the writers. I think they might have actually intended him to look like a retard, but... You comfortable with E? I'm comfortable with E. I'm comfortable with E, yeah. This is a weird one. It's the actor from Season 6, I think, who is in, like, the play and he's always... He's like jealous of the other actress who's really popular. He's not really in the show much at all. Oh, weird that he's on this list. A play? Yeah, so remember the play Aya keeps watching in Season 6-ish? He's a character? Does he count? Apparently, he's in this thing. Why? What does he do? He's, like I said, he's mainly just jealous. I'm seeing some S's for him. F ranks for most people. Yeah, I'm going to go with F. But the thing is, he's in the show for, like, we get a decent chunk of character out of him. Why is he on this list? We get a decent chunk of character out of him for the time he's on here, but I guess he should be in F rank, by the logic of he's just ineffectual. What about Rickon tier? Well, the idea with those tiers was that they'd be alone in them, but I guess we could put him in there. Rickon's got a buddy in Rickon tier. Fine, we'll put him in Rickon tier. Ooh, Jorah Mormont. Damn it. He's a nice character, but he doesn't get a huge amount achieved considering his screen time is basically 100% of the show. Yeah, he does... He does achieve... ...save Daenerys a few times. I'm thinking A rank. He does save Tyrion, too. He saves people. He does. And he does have an impact. It's just that, um... It's just that they really didn't know what they were doing with his character because his writing is one-dimensional. His character is interesting to an extent, but... His actions are very simple. What about a B? I think he's better than Hodor and G.O. Oh, right. I forgot that we put Hodor and G.O. Yeah, I'm okay with an A. All right. Oh, no. Stannis Baratheon. I actually, because I'm so insulted, I just want to drop him in F, but I can't do that. Probably like B-minus. Maybe C? Maybe C. I love Stannis Chat, but you have to judge him from the show. They ruined him. I don't put him on Tyrion's level, I'd say C. Yeah, like the damage done to Stannis is way worse than Tyrion. You say Stannis the Manus. There is no Stannis the Manus in the show. It's not a thing. And he doesn't count in the books They never will be. This list would be completely different. It would go solely by the books. Dora wouldn't be an A if it was the books. What would you put him in for the books? Dora? Probably like Minus. He's a bit super-pavy. What is he? Oh, yeah. Because he's like 40 years older than Daenerys. Daenerys is... At one point, they're on a boat and he just straight up neatly rapes her. Oh, yeah. Like, okay. It's even worse because in the books, everyone's way younger. Isn't Daenerys like 14? It's also above Redley. I know why you'd want to put him above Redley thematically. But Stannis is ruined in the show. Am I the only one who remembers this? He killed his daughter. His character is fucked. I liked him, but... I don't know, what do you reckon? See, like, we stick him with that? I'd say C. And this is the thing. To go from a perspective of whether or not I like it, it's like, his character was worthless. His whole goal, the entire show, is to achieve one thing and he just gets killed by Rapsy. Well, Brienne specifically, but you know what I mean. You want to forget. Alright, we're going to keep him in C. Black Wife, I've forgotten his name. A guy who... John has a butt's heads with in the wall. I should really like him. I'm just blanking him. Is that the dude that killed Mormont?  We should know this. We just watched the episode. Thorn, yeah. I actually really like Alistar Thorn.  I'd probably push him up to at least B tier. He does kill John, so... Maybe we should... Do you want to make a tier between A and B and put him and Jorah in there? So B plus or A minus? A minus, yeah. We're taking this very seriously. Because yeah, there's nothing wrong with any of his writing. He fully takes advantage of every piece of screen time he's in and he commits to a lot of important actions. Actor is really good, too. Like I said, I think we talked about this when we were watching the episode, but like I couldn't understand his character choosing to kill John because he's loyal to the wall before anything, but I would have loved it if he was fighting with John at the end of the show, sort of thing. Yeah. It would have been really neat. Oh, okay. Alistar Thorn is with Jorah. I mean, with how we're sort of breaking this out, you know, if we did it by who's got the most screen time, then yeah, the list would be different. But we're not. This brand is literally an F tier. This is a little bit more complicated, but you know, I really like Jorah and him, to be honest. They're both pretty... Alistar. Honestly, I want to see Chad's reaction first. Everyone, post letters. Let's see what you're thinking. Pretty sure I know what Chad's going to say. Chad's not going to be happy with Alia. It's going to be completely based off of episode three. F, C, F, F, C, B, D, B, B, F, A minus. The highest score she's gotten is A minus. Who, A's? B, C, F, D. I'm not sure how to judge this one. I might actually just leave this to you, Wolf, because the thing is that I love her in like season one and two and three when she's... Yeah, here's the thing. I love her character. I really don't like it when she gets to Bravo, so I find it all annoying. Yeah, but I hate what she's done more than anything. But can we really attribute that to her character? Why do I have to make this decision? Well, I'm going to say all my input will be she cannot go higher than a B minus, use wherever she wants to be there from there.  People say Rick on to you. It's not Rick on to you. No, not quite. I'm going to go C, because I'm so indecisive about this one. Yeah, I mean, this is actually going to be really hard soon, because we've got so many done already now. Oh, no. Little finger. Little finger. Good. Pretty much pitch perfect up to the finale of Season 7. Was he really ruined aside from how he died? Narratively ruined the fact that he was beaten by the Sansa and Aya. Yeah, because I hated that part, but his character was still good. Yeah, I agree with that. A minus, you reckon? Yeah, A minus. I think he fits in there. Natalie Dorma, which for some reason I'm forgetting her character name. Oh, the chick that exploded? Yeah, something Margaret Tyrell, is that it? Yeah, Marjorie Tyrell. Marjorie Tyrell. Hmm. He hodled here. He has a strong character. I really like the fact that she's very clever. I like the character. I'm just trying to think of what she's done. Definitely wasted, though. She... She...  And she's like a full faith militant person and her grandmother's like, oh no. She draws the picture. Yeah.  I was like, okay. I'm thinking B. He's hodled here. I don't know if she's quite hodled. I'm thinking... Hmm. She's better than Tyrion. Died like before. Her character wasn't ruined. It was just unfulfilled. Yeah, maybe B. Someone said she's A for that sexy bod. I mean, I'm happy with B because I don't think she's going to be better than Jorah and Littlefinger, but I think she's better than like, friendly Sansa and Tyrion. Almost slaughtered in there by how I don't know where else I'd put her. Yeah, let's go. Seriously, Lannister? She's not ruined. She's fine. She just shouldn't be alive. Oh, Sins. She's got some asses. For me, my initial take is A rank. Yeah.  Put her on Rickons here, but at the same time, it's like she's a good character, though. Um, I'm not a huge fan of her in the latest season. She's very one note. She's just like, meh, everyone dies. I'm the best. Yeah. But it's not like it's inconsistent with who she is.  So, I'm happy with A. Everyone else happy with A? A lot of chat seems to be gone with A. Ooh, Theon Greyjoy. I want to put him high. Yeah, I want to put him high. Maybe A- be A. I'd be happy with an A or A- because that seems to be freedom-wise. Sure, it's dumb the way he dies, but that's worse. It's a good thematic death. Yeah, just the execution.  But the whole him protecting Bran is a pretty good conclusion to his arc. He's in basically the entire show. He goes on his old journey. Is he an A or an A-? Honestly, I'd say A. I think I'd say A as well. Oh, wow. Fuck, I forgot about this character. Another Tyrell. Fucking, what does this mean? Oh, the dad? No, no, the son, the one who's dating Renly. Oh. Oh, Jesus. You're looking like fucking... This could be D.T. here, actually. Oh, it bothered me that he was supposed to be one of the best warriors in Westeros.  I don't remember if it was from the books or from the show. Didn't Cersei send him somewhere and then he was burned? Oh, yeah, that was from the books. Because she sent him right into the front of a battle and he died immediately. He was, like, about to be dead.  So, yeah, I'm happy with, like... So, in both the books and the show, he hasn't really done anything, so... E or D, Tyre? Yeah, I mean, I'm cool with either of them, honestly.  Not happy that he's so boringly accepts that he's just going to attack.  I'm going to go... I like him, but I also hate him. It's like the writers don't know what exactly to do with him. Like, this is definitely one of those ones, like, try and separate how much you like him, because I know how much I like him. But what is he in total? It's, like, smart Alec joke-cracking assassin man. A lot of bees in chat. I think he's probably pretty solid in B. Yeah. Let's go with B. Oh, wow. So Barristan sell me. Wasted potential. What was all wasted potential to you?   What would we put him as? What are you thinking? Possibly B minus, because I actually really like him. They just waste him. Yeah. I know, like, his dismissal of the show it sees a do. I think it is. It's almost like one-for-one what they do with him and the better. Pretty much, yeah. I'd go I'd go B. B, yeah. So he's hodled here. Actually, no, B minus. He's- Well, interestingly, we did put Marjorie Terrell in there. She's got kind of the same thing as him. Hmm. Yeah.  Let's go B minus. A lot of people are saying C. I think Barristan was okay just to get a Oh my God, Shay. Shay was a character in season two. She stopped being a character almost immediately after that. I remember- I like a lot about her in season two. She was like really clever with Sansa, or tried to keep Sansa safe by trying to outsmart the other hand maidens or whatever.  And how with Tyrion, she's like, I'll be with you throughout everything. And then she's just kind of- That's all great, but then you get season three and season four. I want to put her at the bottom.  Definitely I'm thinking maybe C. I guess a lot of things done.   It's like, C, T, we got all your status.  Would you argue she's damaged from the book and it's more than one that got damaged from the books. She was just You know, I might put her at a C. We'll drop her in there for now. We'll go over it again. Davos, one of my favorites up until he's not done anything this season. Yeah. I want to put him in like a B or an A minus. Yeah, I'd be happy with that. Possibly just yeah, what do you reckon chat because I was just thinking Hodor here.  A, B, A minus, A minus, A, A minus. I've seen a lot of A minuses. Happy for that. Yeah, I'd say A minus. Oh, Tywin. Ding, ding, ding. Straight to the top. Mace to Llewyd. Only in the first two seasons. And he dies. He does die. He has a bit of influence over Ned Stark and then the current rulers. He's a friendly fellow, but he's kind of Drogo, in a way. Yeah. So D tier, I guess. Yeah, I'd say D tier. And Aasha. D.  Actually, yeah. Until she doesn't. Until she doesn't. I think in B or B minus. Or B minus or C. Yeah, it's between those two.  Yeah, she gets outsmarted by Ramsay.  Yeah, I'd say B minus. Because she's not quite C tier. What is C tier exactly? What would you say our C tier currently looks like? Well, she wasn't done as badly as Stannis. Drew. I agree with that. I'm starting to wonder why Lancel is in C. Do you think we should put him lower? Well, I don't know because it's like, I think Stannis, Arya and they all match sort of damaged characters that have significant roles that commit to actions that maybe they shouldn't. Or that's kind of what we're getting at with this sort of tier. Lancel never did anything he shouldn't have done. He was just... Maybe you should be in B minus. We got Barristan in B minus and technically Lancel did more than him. Yeah. We drop him in. And then Arsha, are we happy with her in... Well... Maybe she should be in B minus then. Yeah, because she does do stuff. It's just that she's wasted after that. Also, yeah, for those wondering how we're ranking this, it's too difficult to make a consistent rule. So we're just kind of doing our best. It's gonna be so frustrating to run at this point. Yeah, this is just for fun, really. Ah, Bobby B. Baratheon, what are we...  I love this character. Wait, which one? Robert Baratheon. Eh... He's not bad. I want to almost put him in S. The only reason I don't want to put him in S is that he wasn't in it for long, but bad, though, I love this character. Well, yeah, but neither was Ned Stark. He was only in it for, like, what, two more episodes than him? That's true, actually. I'm happy to put him in S to you. Yeah, let's put him in S.  Egrit. Aw, I really like her. Oh, you want to go with A? Oh, you want to go with A? She's better than Hodor, come on. I think I agree with that. A-? Yeah, A-. Because, like, the A tier seems to be for, like, long-standing characters that are relatively, like, perfectly consistent. Well, what was inconsistent with Bobby Grit? Nothing. She's just not in it for that long. It's, like... Well, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But we can't use that as an argument. We already put Ned Stark and Robert Baratheon. Maybe what I mean by that, I guess, that we didn't get a lot out of here, I guess, compared to them. I don't know. Maybe I need to rewatch it. Because she was in Season 2 and... 2, 3, and 4.  She killed a lot of the nice watch. Yeah, she's introduced at the end of Season 2 and dies at the end of Season 4. She changes Jon's world view. Yeah, that's true.  We got A minus, A, A minus. Yeah, she's scoring really high. I really want to go with A. I mean, I'm kind of happy to go with either at this point because I think I'm just being too harsh to her. She did kill Pip as well, that's true. Yeah. Okay. A it is. Baylon Greyjoy. The guy who really... They as well have not been to the show. Like... Oh god, that was Theon's dad, wasn't it? I think this might be at F tier. Like, he does bugger all. I genuinely forgot about who he was. Yeah, I'm going to go with F. I like how... Congratulations to Rickon and Benjen. You got someone else that isn't related to you. I still love the dude who's in Rickon tier. I still love the dude who's in Rickon tier. I still love the dude who's in Rickon tier. I still love the dude who's in Rickon tier. Aw, this makes me sad. He's like C tier. He's awesome, but he got wasted.  What does he do? Because he didn't do the same thing that he did in the book. Like, he didn't get to... He was weirder in the book as well. The bathing and leeches or whatever. Oh god, I forgot about that. He's creepy-ish. But in this one he was like a mini tywin. He just didn't... He didn't get to do anything. He didn't kill Rob Stark, but I think Rob Stark was dead either way. Killed him. The betrayal was significant, but yeah, getting killed by his son was really lame.  I mean, aside from... Aside from killing Rob, but Rob had like three arrows sticking out of it at that point, so it's like, well, he didn't exactly do a whole lot. The red wedding was all him, wasn't it? That was Tywin, Lord Frey, and then Bolton was like the third. I think the phrase get more credit than the Boltons do. Yeah. What did Ruse do on the screen? He stabbed Rob and that's about it. Ruse pretty much just joined them at the very end of it. Did you reckon D tier? Otherwise he was on the Stark side. Honestly, I kind of want to put him at E. Yeah, because I think that my bias towards him is pushing him higher than he should be. He doesn't do anything.  He does do that. That's one of his three like achievements. That's about it. Otherwise, I generally forget he's even in the show. Move Theod to S. Our S tier is coveted. He's not quite S tier. Oh god, Rick on Stark. There you go, buddy. You did it. Put him in Tywin tier. Ooh, Jamie Lannister. If not for the latest episode, he probably would have been S for me, but I guess probably A. What did he... I don't know, because part of me... Wait, when you say the latest episode, do you mean just the sleeping with Brienne part or the going out? No, going back to Cersei. Do we know he's going back to Cersei or that he's going to go and kill Cersei? Don't know for sure. I do. Because part of me... I mean, obviously we know from the leaks he dies with Cersei, but we don't know what... Did the leaks specify what he's going to do with Cersei beyond that? I guess we shouldn't treat it, because we don't know for sure. It could be way worse than we think. It could be way better than we think. Yeah, because it doesn't exactly specify. Because I took it as he was going off to finish her off. S rank if he kills Cersei, I agree with that. As it stands, should we say it's an S rank? I'd say it stands just to be safe as an A because we'll know by next episode what it is. So if he kills Cersei, he goes to S, if he doesn't and he's like, I love you and then they both die together or something, then he drops to like a B. Probably, yeah. He's going to stay safe in A for now. Podric pain. Ty went here. I feel like he fits in with the hodl too. Yeah. Odor are the same.  Oh right, you mean singing? What do you mean someone else? No, in the last episode when Tyrion looks at Brienne and he's like your virgin it cuts to him and he starts to drink and it's like, oh god damn it. I don't know, well I've seen people discuss that. People, this is one of two takes, is that one or that it's he drank because it's a really awkward question.  Implication being that he's like a player. So yeah, there's conflicting accounts on whether or not that means that. Well. Yeah, see some of the people in chat like Narpod walks away with two girls it was clearly an awkward question. It was an awkward question so that's why he was like oh drag. Free message being he said that downward thrust is Tywin Tyr. He's above Tywin. He's tonal Tyr. Melisandre. I'm curious what the cats take on Melisandre. Because part of me is like well she brings back John. She does have a lot of effect but I don't know when I put her. Oh my god look at chat we got B minus A minus B C B A A minus F for fire. So we're looking at between A minus and F is that what we're thinking? I'd say I kind of want to It's tough. I want to say C but I don't know if she deserves it. There's nothing necessarily wrong with it. Her whole thing is a person who has a varied contact to the Lord of Light makes decisions based on that that don't know how to be true and she gets depressed about it and then she finally manages to defeat the Night King along with everyone else and she's happy. She's not really screwed up.  A lot of the time I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. Where would you put her? I want to say C. Like the Aya, Shay and Stannis here like she's not that damaged is she? I guess not. Maybe. This is genuinely difficult. Melbourne, Serena lives like yeah but it made sense for her to do that like I figured it makes sense that she would even suggest something like that. C for child burner? I'd probably say B minus. No. I don't really think there's anything wrong with it. What's wrong with it? I can't. I don't know. I mean it depends on how you take her death in the last season. No character progression. That's fair. She does get sad at one point. That's with just the fact that she's wrong about everything. She doesn't seem a little regretful over that. Yeah, the scene when she turns old in the wall. B for burnt princess. B for bad pussy. Yeah, okay. I think I'm comfortable with B minus just because she has one note almost exclusively. But does have a lot of impact and she does seem to have feelings about the bad things she does. Yeah. Relatively unfulfilled. She's kind of the same as Lancel and Orsha. Yara Greyjoy. Hmm. She... She's hodorty or below that. Below. Definitely below. She's just not bad? She seems to think she's bad. Maybe Hmm. Because she... I don't even know if she has wasted potential because I don't even know if she had potential to begin with. That's true. For the amount of time she's on screen, what we understand about her, she seems to be fully utilized, but it's not exactly much utilization. What does she do? She goes to rescue Theon and then Theon to be rescued and then she gets captured and theon and then she takes the Iron Islands off screen? Yeah, so she's kind of ineffectual. She's almost E.T. I kind of want to put her at D. I'm happy with D. All right, we'll leave her in D. Okay, Greywyrm defined entirely by the fact that he dates Missande. I still can't get over that meme. My Sunday. My Sunday. I'm thinking E.T. A bit of a character, yeah. E. He's really no better than Lancel. Or, no, not Lancel. What is his name? Loris. Berek Dondarian. I like Berek, but... I like him a lot, but... What does he do, really? He wanders around and he has a... How does Chat feel about Berek? I feel like people like Berek. A, C, A, B minus C. A, C. Yeah, so he's around this area. Is he hodor tier? He's probably hodor tier, right? That feels about right. Yeah. Because he's not less effectual than hodor. But he also, they don't do in... Like, when he's walking with them to the wall, the wall episode in Season 7, I mean... Um... I love his conversation with John, I think it is. Yeah. I feel like they've done more with Berek, but they weren't sure what to do with him. I feel like I'm judging him completely on his voice. Yeah, his voice is amazing. He genuinely has one of the coolest voices ever. Remember, he was resurrected like seven times in order to save Aya so she could do his job. Okay. I was, you know, I never was going to be uncomfortable with the idea that he ended up killing the Night King if it was just facilitated by John or even Aya. Like, as I was always like, it would be cool if he actually ended up being Azor Ahai. Because he's such a less significant character, but it's all been relatively... Dude, can you imagine how cool it would have been if we got John, Aria, Theon and Berek versus the Night King and the White Walkers? See, people would be like, that's fad service. I was like, it should have happened. Like, how awesome would that have been? That would have been the coolest fight scene ever. That would have saved that entire episode. Well, didn't I show you that there's that clip of the Night King actor practicing? Oh, yeah, the dude with two swords. People are theorizing because he got recasted since Season 5, right, the Night King. And everyone was like, oh, they recast him because they need a swordsman to be able to play him. But then they never did any sword work with him. He was like, oh, they probably changed what they were going to do. But anyway, Varus... Hmm... We put Littlefinger in A- and I feel like he's almost right to be in A- because he's got the same shit as Littlefinger right now where Varus was like the best thing ever and then sort of... I'm afraid of what they're going to do with him next episode since we know he's going to die.  I figured that's just like inevitable for him. Yeah, I'd say A- Yeah, I'm happy to put him in A- He's the same as Littlefinger, he's kind of just... Oh, look. Missandei. You just put her in the same tier as Greywick. Yeah. What do you think, Chat? Maybe I'm being too harsh. I mean, what does Missandei do? Tell us.  Oh, people said F tier. E's and F's. Oh, someone said B. Yeah, because at least Greyworm kills people. She doesn't do anything. Because they're like, she's the best friend of Daenerys and I'm always like, why though? Because she's black. Just talks to her some time. I need to look back at all the conversations and see if there was actually any interesting conversations. I usually forget she's in the show until she shows up. So just to give perspective here, is she really Bailon tier? There's a couple people that said Rick on tier. She's not Rick on tier, but I don't know if she's Bailon tier. I feel like she is. The part that's giving me trouble is the fact she's in it for so long. But yeah, she doesn't really do anything. The character's not particularly interesting. I mean, Bran was in it for longer than any of them. That's true. But he did have a literal like, his character was sucked out of him. Narratively speaking. Yeah, but still, that happened the first episode and then Missandei never had a character to begin with aside from being a translator. That is true.  Alright, I'm convinced F is fine. Oh hey, Mans Raider. I like Mans Raider a lot. Yeah.   No.  A lot of people are saying B tier. He's Hodor tier. I feel like he's between Hodor and Jorah tier. We don't have one of those. That's a B. Yeah, I guess we'll leave him. Ooh, Torment. Surely that's an A minus. He got cucked by Jaime. He did, but Jorah... woman is hilarious. Yeah, I love... I mean, when we watched the battle for the wall episode I mean, I thought it was kind of crazy to see him be the bad guy. Yeah. Just knowing how long we've had him be the good guy. He's too innocent. I can't put him in A minus. They don't know what to do with him anymore, clearly, because he was just there to make jokes and he left. Like, okay. So maybe not A minus, but then I don't know.  Well, he's Tizmy ending. Yeah, I'd say A minus. You don't think B? You think he's better than B? He's better than Hodor. Is he better than Hodor, Gior, Barrick, Bronn, Podd, and Marjorie? Possibly. Yeah, I guess he is. He does have an arc of sorts with Jon. Yeah.  I mean, he survives the battle at the wall, hard home, the battle of the bastards, the battle of Winterfell. Look at the two back-to-back answers. Yes, da. Never, yes. Ramsay Bolton. He's really good. The actor did a really good job of making him, like, he prepared, I have a feeling he might not have been in the show as much if the actor wasn't playing him. Mm-hmm. How does chat feel? A's and S's here. I don't know if he's quite as good as... Fuck, why can't I remember the kid's name? Joffrey? Joffrey, yeah. Because part of me is like, oh, he definitely is on... Maybe not quite. This is the thing. He's kind of a lot like Joffrey. In that they're both kind of one note, but they both portrayed so well that it's like... anything, and they both have a lot of impact on the plot. Someone said S for sausage. So I guess it's between A and A-? I mean, if we're going to put Jaime there, I kind of want to put him there. And A? Yeah. I think Jaime doesn't deserve to be in A. No, I think he does, depending on what happens next episode, but I mean, you can't ruin him now. That's true. Ramsey can't be ruined. All right. I'm going to go with A. Oh, this is going to be a complicated one. Daenerys Targaryen. Rickon. Really?  Yeah, I mean, she's really bad. Let's be perfectly honest. What does she do? Everyone does everything for her outside of when she's being the Lannisters. Well, that's the thing. Even the dragons do everything for her. Yeah. The dragons. I mean, she's so bad. But is that Rickon tier? I love how Tywin doesn't have anyone in his tier, but Rickon does. Chat just type R for Rickon. People, do you want her in Rickon tier just for the meme? Not even just for the meme. It's either going to be F or it's Rickon, and I'm going Rickon.  She's decent in season one. Like the people in F don't even have a, they were good in X, you know? Yeah, but we can't say that for all the other characters, because then we'd have to say, Tyrion's good in season one, but we put him at a B-minus. Well, that's why he's there. He's good in season one, two, three, and most of four. She hatched the dragons. That's something. Yeah, yeah. Fyre could have done that. I think she's above Rickon. I mean, I would probably put her in E tier, to be honest with you. I don't. No, because Grey Worm is better than her. Do you want to, should we do a straw poll for Chat? We'll put it between... You know, Chat's going to put her in Rickon. That's fine. If Chat relinquishes our responsibility. Daenerys, which... Here. The poll option we'll do... We'll do E, F, and Rickon. Seems like everybody wants to be adhered to being one of those. And you can only choose one poll. Here we go. I'm just spamming that in Chat. It always freezes whenever I want to do something. And I'm going to vote for... I voted for Rickon. I'm not a robot, there we go. Alright, Chat. Here we go. It's covered, Chat. It's covered. Stop typing so fast. You might want to put it in the description and tell people to refresh the page. I can't even do that. My live dashboard's frozen. This is something I really need to get fixed. I don't know why this happens. Yeah, use the thing. Wolf posted everyone. We have to figure out where she goes correctly. God forbid we get it wrong. Everyone's saying E, F, R. No one's voted for F yet. Wait, really? Everyone's voted for either Rickon or E. That's weird. I would have thought it would be F for Rickon. It's 50-50.  Oh, there we go. We got an F. No, there's an F. Yeah, I'm still trying to get it posted in the chat. Don't worry, guys. I'm trying to get there on the Discord. Do you want to post it again just to make sure they see it? Yeah, here we go. Chat. Call them yourself. I don't think posting it's going to be useful at this point. Well, there should be way more votes than this. That's why I'm assuming that people aren't able to vote. I doubt that only 10 people voted. I'm still frozen. People are like, give me the link and it's like, stop typing and maybe you'll see it. It might not even... I wonder if it shows up. There's no way for me to get it to people. Maybe if I load it...  Yeah, I'm not even seeing it on the stream replay and I've been spamming it pretty consistently. The... I will find a way to do this. There we go. Actually, here... Why don't we just do this? Guys, it's strawpull. No, I got it. Actually... Bamming away. I can spam as much as I want because I own the channel. I can't possibly be trolling. All right, everyone, click that link and we will see what people think. Yeah, that's better. The votes are coming in now.  Like the exact opposite of pro Jarrod's sub count right now. That is true. Rickon's winning, dude. Rickon is winning. We have to follow the votes for this. We can't break that ruling.  This is the thing, she's pretty bad. No denying it. And especially with... Just before we went live, we were talking about how this is the one season in a long time that Amelia Clark has actually done really well with her acting. Yeah, and I think that it's actually kind of lame like the story is everybody conveniently that she really likes gets killed. And so she's crazy now. It's like, all right. I could have done that way better, but okay. Give her the Rick. Give her the Rick. Yeah, since we've got... What is essentially a clear lead for Rickon, I'm afraid Daenerys that... There's nothing we can do for you. She shall be sacrificed for the memes. I find it funny that she's in Rickon tier, not even Daenerys tier, just Rickon tier. She doesn't even get the name of the tier. I love that we put more people than Rickon in Rickon tier. I mean, to make it better, we'd probably put a tier after F that Rickon could be in his own tier, but are we saying she's worse than Rickon? Is that what we're saying right now? I wouldn't say she's worse than Rickon.  All right, so next one. Olenna Tyrell. She's one of the candidates for like Tywin tier. She's that good. I mean, yeah, she kills Joffrey. And she's like a badass in every scene she's in. And she frames, she successfully manages to frame everyone except for herself. Yep. And then her death is pretty good. Yeah, I like really like her death scene. It's one of the really good parts of season seven. I mean, oh, I got a lot of interesting... Yeah, I'd say S tier. A lot of people are saying Tywin tier. I think we'll just put Popper and S tier. You need to add one tier below Rickon. What I'm putting Daenerys in it. Thoros of Mia. There are a lot of people saying she's female Tywin. She really is though. She's the closest thing to Tywin probably in this whole thing. We might... I think we should put her in Tywin tier.  You can marry Tywin. You're Tywin's wife. You're in Tywin tier. Yeah, Thoros of Mia, what do you reckon? He does bring back Barrick a lot. That is true. Should we put him on par with Barrick? Because other than bringing him back... Yeah, I think that makes sense. He doesn't do anything. If he's going in B, he'll be minus probably. I think I'm happy putting him on par with Barrick since people have the same effect. Hodor tier. Yeah. We should just rename it Hodor tier. And then... we'll call B minus B. A minus... Hodor tier. B minus.  Oh, the one who killed... Orel, I think it is. Orel? Orel? Oh, no. This is the Wildling guy, isn't it? Yeah, Orel. Oh. Correct me if I'm wrong. Chat, what's his name? He was the Warg, wasn't he? Orel. Yeah, apparently it is Orel. Okay. So he's kind of worthless. He doesn't really do much. He sets up their fight with the thing. He's just in love with Ygritte. He's annoying to John. He gets killed by John the second... proven right, the Johns. Do you remember when John says you were right the whole time when he stabs him? I thought that was fun. I genuinely forgot all about him until now. Does that make him E tier? He's not quite F tier. He does actually do stuff. I would say he's on par with Grey Wyrm. What do you mean he's better than Grey Wyrm or worse than Grey Wyrm? I don't know. I genuinely forgot about him, so I don't remember if he's better or worse. He's a Season 3 only character, I guess. Or is it Season 4? I think it's Season 3. Yeah, it's Season 3, because it's the end of Season 3 that John gets back to the wall. People are saying D tier. Yeah, kinda. You know, you got Yara in there. That's true, but Yara's at least she does something. Yeah, like I said, Oral doesn't really do anything. He's got much more of a character than pretty much anybody in E outside of Roos, maybe. He's basically identified by being pro-wildling, anti-John, pro-egrit. That's his character. Yeah. I've heard about him. I think I'm happy with him in E. What do you reckon? Yeah.  You remember Carl Tadda? He's not in this list. He really should be.  Oh, the guy who... I've mentioned him twice now. Have you? Yeah. Have you called him Carl Tadda or have you called him... No, I've just been calling him the guy that kills Mormon. Oh, okay. I must have missed that, but yeah, I actually really like Carl Tadda.  I can't believe he's not on the list. He has.  Like, how? I know. Why? It doesn't make sense. All right, Kyburn. I can't credit him the Dragonfire, the Wildfire. I'm immediately thinking D tier. He matches a lot of people in there for just... Yeah. Yeah, he does some stuff, a lot of stuff. Mostly he can only do it because other people do. Because the Wildfire, that was introduced before he was, and... Oh, wow. Chat has a high opinion of him, apparently. Or at least they want to put him in C or A, which is quite a difference on this list. He's no way near A. Definitely. How is he in A? How do you guys rationalize that he's in A? Scorpion on the mountain. He does make the mountain and he does make the scorpions. That is true. That is true. Wait, what are the scorpions again?  Wasn't that like a model that they had to kill Dragons beforehand? They... Well, I can't remember if they say it in the episodes, but the idea is that Kyburn upgraded the one that Bron used in season 7. Is it really that big of a thing if he only upgraded an existing weapon?  I thought they could kill Dragons. Well, if you remember, Bron hits Drogon in season 7 and it only hurts him. While in this one, it like pierces them and... Oh, he upgrades it between 7 and 8? Apparently. Apparently. I don't know if there's a piece of dialogue for that. It might be. Yeah, a lot of people say and he revived the mountain. Surely that's worth a lot. Maybe C? Cause he's better than D tier. He does do something. Just not much.  You guys want to put him with Jorah and Littlefinger and Varus? Torment and... Serialisir and... Davos, yeah. He's not that good. He's nowhere near that good. Is he Hodor tier? Oh, no, no, no. Alright, I think I kind of want to put him in B tier. Yeah, cause he... I'd say he's on par with... Melisandre and... Laura... Not Laura, what's his name? Lancel. Lancel. Alright, B tier guys. We're going to compromise. Not putting him in A. No way. As far as I'm aware, there isn't a line about him upgrading the Ballista. I'm not sure about that. I'll have to re-watch the show. The Blackfish. I really like the Blackfish, but man, is he wasted. Yeah, I hate the way he goes out. He's almost invented just a delay season six. Think it's season six or seven? Six, it is six. Like, just fill up a season six. It doesn't really amount to anything. I kind of forgot who he was at that point. A lot of people are saying C tier. C or D for me. He doesn't do anything. Delays Jamie Lannister. Aria does do something. Stannis does do something.  That seems to be that list. Yeah. That had a lot of potential as well, I guess. There is the interesting one that's in there for now. So, people want to put him in C for wasted. But the thing is, he never actually did anything to begin with. Yeah, because aside from just being there, what did he do? I don't even know what he did in the books. I'm thinking D tier. Do you want to put him in the books? I think he was most... he's yet to be realized in the books yet. Like he's going to be, I think. Someone said the Blackfish let that funeral pyre. That is true. So D tier, I'm thinking. Yeah, I'd say D. He's kind of like Cal Drogo. Tom and Baratheon. He's got a funny death. I actually, honestly, I'm like D tier immediately. Yeah, kind of. All I remember from Tom and is like all the memes of his death with the people saying, do a backflip your grace. That's literally all he is. Maybe E tier then. He's essentially, his character is, he's a puppet until he kills himself.  Grey Worm does more than him. Oh God, are we thinking F tier? What are we thinking? I'm able to be convinced you for basically anything. Rick on tier. No, he's not Rick on tier. Tom and is a holy bad. That is true. Do a barrel roll your great. I think everybody's saying F. He might be an F because this is the thing. I can't think of any. He has scenes where he talks people. He's interested in doing what's right, but he has no idea what that is. And that's the point is that he's everyone manipulates him. Hell, even from the books, the only thing I can remember is that he wants a pet kitten. Yeah. He's like innocent and common is the point of him really. Makes him kind of. He's just the exact opposite of Joffrey. He worse than Missande. I think Missande is probably better than him. By a narrow margin. Yeah. I mean, they're roughly on par. Yeah. All right. I think he's safe in there. Hey, so we got. He took King's Landing's name to literally. Why have I forgotten this guy's name?  Back from Hill House. It starts with D, isn't it? Dario Naharis. Dario, Dario Naharis. Yeah. I have no idea where to place him, honestly. I'm trying to think of what he's done. The Hodor tier maybe? Yeah. Oh, wait. He killed that dude in season three. Yes. But that wasn't really much of anything though, was it? He went on a rescue mission with Jorah to save Daenerys, but she kind of saved herself. Yeah. He doesn't do anything, does he? Not really. He has a couple of assassin kills. The people we don't really care about. Honestly, in the books, I kind of forgot who he was. I was more interested in Strong Bell was. Yes. Strong Bell was is really cool compared to. In the books, he looks really weird because he's like a blue beard. Mm-hmm. He's really bad now that I think about it. E tier? I think I only like the actor. Yeah, I'd say D tier. Kind of like the Blackfish. Yeah. Barristan on the list yet. Yes, Barristan is a B tier. B. Thinking about it might be a bit high, but I mean the logic is that he's like fantastic up until he's wasted. He's definitely way above Dario. Yeah. Oh god, Ober and Martell. Ding, ding, ding. Oh god. This is like S tier. Yeah, I'd say S tier.  And he's only at it for one season. That's it. Honestly, that's apparently a common thread with the S tier characters. They're at it for once. I've never thought about how to use it every part of it.   Because he's ruined. Wait, one true king. Who are they talking about? Stannis. Oh, oh yeah. Why would you say that? It's pretty obvious they ruined him. Rob Stark yet? Rob Stark is... Oh, he's like near the end of the list for some reason to go into this. Anyway, wife of Ober and... What is it? Is it Illyria Sand? Illyria Sand, I think her name is. What does she do? She kills Cersei's daughter. Then she gets captured after making an alliance with Daenerys and that's it. So I think we're looking at... I really hate her. I really hate her character as well, but I'm guessing this is a D to E tier character. I've seen a lot of Rickons. Everyone just hates her, that's why though. She has it. Remember, she kills the Martell guy. I've forgotten his name. Thor and Martell? Yeah. That's a pretty significant wheelchair Martell, yeah.  What? How is she a meme? She's not a meme, she's awesome. How do you... Uh... Uh... This is the thing, she has two significant kills. And she pushes for Dorne to essentially be behind her as... She's almost C. I'm gonna make a tier beneath Rickon. Just for her.   She might be a C.  Are you gonna have Littlefinger and the Onion Knight on the same tier? Because the Onion Knight hasn't been broken. Littlefinger was amazing, but his damage has pushed him that far down. Sorry. Our logic isn't exactly completely consistent with this thing, but this is just a silly game. Alright, do you reckon C tier then? I'm going with C. Enjoy that, Stanis. You're in the same tier as her. That's what you did to him. I don't think he's gonna be too enjoyable. Alright, I think this is an obvious F tier. It's Cersei's daughter. Oh God, the one whose only contribution was death. Is it Marsella? Marsella is her name? I think so. Yeah, Marsella. She finds out that Jaime is her dad out of absolutely no where, and then she dies. Yeah, she's just F tier. Ooh, Viserys. I actually really like Viserys. Yeah. I kind of want to go with an A-. Yeah, I think he's above Hodor tier. He didn't get to really shine because he was killed. Yeah. But I liked him a lot. He's a good character. He just doesn't do anything. Yeah, if he'd survived even two seasons, he'd probably be A. But I'm upset. Oh God, here we go. I don't know their names, so whatever. One of the three sand snakes. The annoying one. Recon. Can we just put all of them in Recon tier? Like genuinely? Not even meaning? Why are there six people in the Recon tier?  They're so worthless. Gosh. People are saying below Recon. I mean we could. The sand snake tier. I'm fitting on screen at this point. Okay, no, we're not going to do that because I actually want to be able to show it. They're in the Recon tier. The thing is they're not in the Recon tier because they barely have a character. Their characters are insufferable. They don't do anything right.  It's like literally Euron became the hero of this series when he killed them all. Is Euron in this list? Oh yes, we're coming up to him soon.  Oh god, good old... What else? I know I've seen him in something else. He's Pirates of the Caribbean. Oh right. He dies stupidly in there too. Well I mean I don't think he dies. It makes sense what Cersei does. It's annoying that he didn't see it coming. He's supposed to be really clever. And I actually really... He's what got me through a lot of Game of Thrones when I was checking out. I actually really enjoyed him. Yeah, season 5 was basically him and Jon is all I really remember. So I'm thinking A or S for me, but I don't know what's everyone thinking. I want to go with A. I'm not sure he's on S tier. Because what is he... He doesn't do much aside from like...  And then he explodes. I just... So he talks a lot about what's wrong with royalty. And like his whole character's based around the idea that he's loyal to the people and religion instead of money power or armies or family.   That's true. Which tier is Mans Raider on? Hodor tier. Oh, he's above Hodor. I mean we can always switch it out, I don't mind. I really like Mans Raider. I kind of don't feel right putting Mans Raider on Hodor tier. Nothing about it. Like you should go above it? I kind of feel an A- now that I think on it. I mean, I'm not against that. Do you want to put the high sparrow and Mans Raider and A-? Yeah. They're kind of the same. Yeah, because they don't really do much themselves, but they direct a lot of the shit that goes on. And it's funny you say that considering we've got Varus and Littlefinger in that tier as well. Yeah. Um, alright. Oh, son of Doran Martell.  Who cares about that guy? Does anyone even remember his name? Who? The guy who gets killed by the Sad Staves. Oh god, that guy. Yeah, he's definitely F-tier. He could be Rick on tier. The thing is he's not like, well... No, he's not Sand Snake-tier. Let's be honest. He's not that bad. The thing about Sand Snake-tier is like a Richard... Tristan. Oh, Tristan. Is Rick on Daenerys and Theatre Man in Sand Snake-tier though? No. No, they're all better than the Sand Staves. I think that's how I'll do it. I'll just order it so that they stay above them in terms of reading left to right. Um... Doran Martell. Like, he doesn't get to do anything. But he's interested in it. Oh, he should be E-tier then I guess, right? Basically the tier of people who are okay and stuff, but they just do nothing at all. Yeah. Uh... Euron Greyjoy. Finger up the bum, man. Hmm... I don't know what to do with him, honestly. Yeah, chat feels...  There's a lot of people saying C-tier. D-F-S-S, really? Uh... Yeah, he's...   And he does capture... Tywin for killing Sand Snakes. Yara. Uh, B-tier then? He's definitely... So for those of like, he's ruined because of what he's like in the books. We're not quite considering the books. At least I don't think we have, right? Have we done that? No. So, yeah, he's not quite... He's below hodl, but, um...  Even if it's the writing that allows him to do that. Oh, the other theatre person who Eels Aya's several stab wounds with suit.  But, uh... Guy who kills Jormor-mon is... I can understand putting her in here because she actually saves Aya's life. Yeah, but beyond that, she dies immediately. Yeah, so we're looking at E or E here. Sounds like Raz. He has little impact. We barely know her. Yeah. Where do we put Raz? E-tier. I'm good with D. I'm not sure who this is. Is this the creepy witch that talks to, uh... Jesse? Or is this someone else? Who? Person, I don't recognise her. Let's see it on screen. Oh, that's, uh... Mara... Something? That's not Mary Mazdo. She's not? She's a different face to that. Oh, no, this is the one that told Cersei her prophecy, right? Yeah, that's who I thought it was. Maggie the Frog. Um... I don't know. Where the hell would she go? She's in the show for, like, 10 seconds. She tells Cersei a thing that's gonna happen and that's it. We're looking maybe F-tier then? E-tier? F-tier. What does she do beyond that? Yeah, it's not even her fault. She's not in the show at all, so... Can you do? Uh, Randall Tarly. I actually really like the performance from the guy as Randall Tarly. Yeah, but what does the character do? Not much.  Joins with Cersei. It's his previous queen, Olenna. And then he gets bird. So we're looking probably E-tier here. Yeah, I'm going E-tier. I don't like Bruce. Yeah. I wish he was better. A lot of people are saying, See, this is the thing. I like him. Right? I actually like him a lot, but he doesn't do much. His death had consequences. Yeah. The stream is like literally the epitome of the subjectively objective thing. Yeah, like this is a complete confusing mess as to how we try to do this. I'm shocked by how many people are actually watching this. Yeah, I know. What's wrong with you people? There's more viewers now than there were during the Act Band stream.  People want to watch this for some reason. Uh... F for Friday. Just listening to Sam was more of a character on his S tier. Yeah, it's actually late too. What's wrong with you? Alright, I mean I think we're fair putting him there with what we've said before. I mean, he's significant in that his army helps defeat Olenna, but I mean the Lannisters probably could have done it anyway. Seems to be a surprise attack with the point of it. I don't know. But that's like all he does. The only thing I'd sell for is he could go D tier. What do you reckon? Because we did put Theatre Group person in D tier for saving Aya. D... Yeah, maybe D. Well give him D because chat is going to be upset. I'm going to upset chat. There's a little... gone snow finally. Fuck. I want to put him in S but at the same time he got cheated out of his entire story line.  Oh yeah, that too. At the same time I kind of want to... I win because I know he's going to kill Daenerys and it's going to be really satisfying. Yeah, I'm okay. We'll leave him in A. Random religious man who talks to the hound and gets killed in one episode. Played by Ian McShane.  Oh! Oh, him! I always think of him as the dad from Hot Run. Yeah, he's the dad from Hot Run. Kind of put him on Tywin level just because of that. Honestly, I'm thinking E tier. Yeah, because he doesn't do anything aside from talk and die in one episode. He's fun to listen to, he's a great actor, did a good performance but the character only serves to make the hound mad, I guess. Someone said literally who? He's only just above F tier, if not F tier. I love the actor 2 chat mostly because of Hot Run, but we can't we can't put him that high. Are we go with E? We're going to go with E. Alright. What's the guy's name? He's like the grand high Super Maester from Old Town or well, the Citadel that talks to Sam. I genuinely don't remember this person. Someone in chat will know his name. I remember him, he just, he talks to Sam and gets him from season 7. The Arch Maester or his actual tier is I guess not Super Maester. Is he the guy who just tells Sam you can't cure Dragon Scale and then Sam just needs to do exactly that. Arch Maester Mudkin. I don't think his name is Mudkin. Plugworth, that's the Harry Potter. Ebros, Ebros is his name.  That's about it. Yeah. Rob Stock. Ooh, I really like him. I think we're looking at E tier for that one. Yeah. How does chat feel about Rob Stock? I wonder if we're being too nice or too harsh. Because he doesn't do, he's not ruined. He doesn't do anything that isn't in line with his character. And he is a really good character. I want to put him in A. Yeah, I mean I put him in A, I'm happy with him in A. D for dead. Oh god, I'm sad to put this one up. I'm well tarly. Oh, he's ruined. Yeah, they've made him a coward. That's his arc.  And then goes off and has a baby. It's like cool. It's so sad after watching the battle for the wall episode. Because I completely forgot how great of a character he was. Oh you know what, C tier, that's perfect.  Elena? No, no, the person who was dating over. Oh right, right, no. Elena's the good one. Uh, Catlin Stark. What does she do? She hates John? Does hate John? She hangs out with the army, she releases me. I like her and Ned. Yeah, for the three scenes. I do like her. She's a bit of a bitch, but I do like her. Yeah, but she doesn't exactly do much. What's Chat thinking? A, A, C, A, minus. I mean even in the books most of her contribution was through thoughts. We're looking at between A and C is where Chat is looking. So does that place, is she above Hodor? I don't think she's above Hodor. Hodor? Yeah, Hodor. Does that mean B tier? Is she on the same tier as you were on? I don't even know if I was on tier as you were on. Because most of what she does in the books is all conveyed through subtexts not actual actions unless you count Lady Stoneheart. Yeah, yeah. You could argue that's a different character and even then we're not counting the books. Are we thinking self-aware of her unfair hatred? I don't necessarily have a problem with her hating John from a character standpoint. It's just like I'm trying to think of what she does. I think it makes sense.  Are we thinking C tier then? I'm kind of leaning towards C tier. It's really complicated and we're nearly done. We have two characters left. It's just that placing these at this point is becoming impossible. Maester Aemon. Remember that guy from the wall? Yeah, blind guy, yeah. I like him. Hodor tier? Pretty do like him a lot. Yeah, but he doesn't do anything. He gets John the Night's Watch full commander position. That's true. He does look after Sam a couple times I think where he can. He gives good advice, but he doesn't do anything beyond that. I'm not sure he was really capable of doing anything in his position though. He's only a maester in a wall. And blind. Also blind. Blind man, bad. I'm okay with Hodor tier. Yeah, we'll leave him in Hodor tier. And the last character in this this tier list, even though there's probably a couple more they could have done. Back in Hagar. I'm trying to remember who. Oh god. Aya's assassin friend. He's great in season two. And he disappears. He's kind of weird because we see him in season six or whatever. He's just weird. What does he do beyond help Arya get out of Heron Hall? Not much. He makes her go blind. He makes her go blind. And that's it. The wave had more impact on Arya than he did. Yeah, and she's not in this list for some reason. Why isn't she on the list? It's a lot of characters that could have included. Yeah, that's true.  I don't understand what they put the play people in here. I don't either. E tier then? Or is it E? I'm looking through D tier just to... I'd say he's on par with a lot of those characters in the sense that he didn't do anything. He's just interesting. Where is Serio Pharrell? Yeah, Serio Pharrell isn't even in here. Can we think of all the characters that aren't on here? Oh, you know, the brother and the sister who went with Bran. Oh yeah, the Beads, Gogen, Reed. Where the hell have they been? Or the sister at least? He just left. Bran was like, you've done your job.  They just completely forgot about her this season. Yeah, it looks like, because you'd think she'd just stay. Like why not? Hot pie, he's not there. He has tier definitely. That's true. Yeah, so would we change... Who should be changed, chat? Let's see what some suggestions... Gregor Cuglain... Clickade... Yeah, well, then again, he's not... Oh my god, Pip and Gren aren't there. Oh yeah, they missed out on a lot of characters. Yeah. Pre-Eyed Raven, yeah, I guess you should be there. Mirror? Well, you know, beer has not exactly much of anything. Didn't include any of the Karth characters. Yeah, that's true, none of them are in there. Move Jalfrey to S. Are we happy with Jalfrey is? I can't... I don't know if he's quite on par with S. I mean, I can see the argument. Oh god, Walter Frey's not even on there. Wow. That's something they just forgot. He's way too important to not have on you. How could you forget Walter Frey? Go. Are we like A-minus? Yeah. Because he's... Yeah, because he's like that little finger and Varus type in a way, and maybe not quite as intelligent as them, obviously, but... People are Jalfrey and Theodid S tier. I don't know, I don't think Theon's quite S tier. Jalfrey, I could see the argument, but Theon... I don't think he's quite strong enough. I can't get to A for Rollo's sake. Yeah, but little finger was ruined. If little finger's ending was... No.  He probably would have been like S-T or whatever. Does the wall count as a character? Does the wall count as a character? Jeno Slint. No. Yeah, I mean, he could have been on here.  Rob should be S. Rob is in A. That's a pretty strong A. I'm sure lots of people consider Daenerys being bottom tier unfair. People keep saying Maren Trant and it's like... What'd Maren do beyond... He was a creepy dude that dies almost immediately as soon as he's reintroduced. Where's Ali? I have the light gray. I fixed the list. Shireen? Oh yeah, I like Shireen. Oh yeah. It took me a second to remember who Shireen was. Where's old man? Where's Ali? Yeah, Ali should be in here. Ali literally killed Jon so he probably could have been fairly high and eager at... Ghost as well. Yeah. They're having the the dire wolves or dragons. They don't exactly characters. I would like them there. Just like I don't like the snakes are here. Does this wolf guy even know the story? No, no, I've never seen Game of Thrones. Wait, what made them say that? I... I don't know.  That's the best I can think of. There's one one. That's true. I wonder if they'll update this list. There's so many more they could have. Where's the dogs? Still a lot of people have been saying hot pie. Julia Lee just said the pie. The pie. Craster? Yeah, that's another one. Oh yeah. I still can't believe the guy who killed Jorah Mormont isn't on there. He had a pretty big impact. Geo Mormont. Where's the throne? Where's Thanos? Yeah, we could do this again once the actual show is finished if you see how it's changed. Then maybe make a more consistent rule. This this ruling almost a list almost seemed to be commits to actions and gets them done well and is consistent. Alistair Thorn wasn't on this list at all, was he? Yeah, he was. He was? Oh, he did? He's the only one in A- that might not belong in A- I guess maybe. They're all complicated tiers. Where's Reek? Ilan Payne? Yeah, that's another one. He just... Actually, what ever happened to Ilan Payne? The actor got cancer and then once he'd recovered I guess I just didn't have him back. I knew Rontik is upset about it. Do you think he went back and was like, so can I have my roll back and they're like... Alright, there's a handful of superchats I'll try and read and then we'll finish up, I guess. Ed wasn't there. Yeah, you did say, you were very upset. Ed and Pip and...  I said Bren and... All three of them. Why don't I just call him Ed? Oh, and Yorin, yeah. The guy who saved Iyer in Season 2. Well, I'm one. Who was Yorin? Oh, he was the one that said you kept calling your boy and... Yeah, okay, I got it. How have you been, my friend? Haven't seen you forever since Twitch. Hope your life's been well. It has been. And yeah, I don't stream on Twitch anymore, but... YouTube now. Jesus, how out of the loop is this guy? Probably out of the loop. I used to stream and get like five viewers on Twitch. So he's probably like, why is this happening? I'll be like, I don't know. Where's Gandalf? Shrek 2 donated one dollar. I just love that. You stole Shrek 2. James Moore said hi, Wolf. Hi. You all right, our streams? Get me through work, thanks boys. No problemo. When are you going to show that thick, twink-ass wolf? That's your answer. Hopefully you remember Nymeria since Game of Thrones doesn't. No wolves or dragons are allowed in this list, apparently. No, the dragons are. Wolves are... What dragons? Oh, you mean Daenerys? Dragons in this list? Oh, I didn't mean to list. I just meant the show in general. Oh, right, right. A surprise to be sure, but a welcome one. Is the Neraverine going to be on this list? Neraverine? Who? A better story. Lord Dio should be on the throne. Oh, it's like a different fiction. Where's Ed Sheeran? Well, this is a surprise. Does this include the books? No. I'm writing some scripts for the Clone Wars analysis. The idea is go arc by arc analyzing each one and in the end, ranking in better or worse than TLJ. Any tips for a beginner? Yes, it's better than TLJ. Question? Yeah, that sounds complicated.  And I'm just not going to watch the show and not have to deal with that. Are you going to advise the guy anything as an inspiring YouTube analyzer? Good luck, buddy. There you go. If you have good luck, you'll probably succeed. That is good advice. Wolf, I have 14 broken Super Chats heading your way. That cool Sorry in advance. I barely missed you guys yesterday. 14 broken Super Chats? I don't know what that means. I don't get it. Go stream, Wolf, and then that guy... Well, I can't do that for a while, so... I know nothing about Game of Thrones. I'm just here to support you guys, so enjoy my money. Well, thank you. Therio Feral trumps all these jabronis and you know it. Except for the time you died. Except for that video. To Maren Trunt. Edmere wasn't on here. That's true. Yeah. They really forgot a lot of characters. It should be Stannis Tyr. They remembered the people from the play, but they forgot Edmere and Ed and so many others. Jesus Christ. Bad people. They forgot about the play entirely. It should be Stannis Tyr on top, you cowards. If this was books, we might have done that. But it is. Got here late. What are the criteria for grading? Writing, impact, acting? Honestly, I don't know. If you watch the stream over, maybe you can come up with what we were doing because I'm not sure what we were doing. I don't even know what... How we would go about doing this again and trying to standard for this. That'd be very difficult. Yeah, like... If we did most... Rickon would score extremely high. So with the sad stakes, it's like who wants to see that? Nobody.  Maybe if we did most consistent and then enjoyability as much as that's retarded. Maybe just like most impact and best written kind of? Most consistent and most impactful put together. Just score out of 10 for both of those and then it averages out. But then wouldn't Ed stock score really low with most impactful? Yeah. The list doesn't seem to work out very well. But it's Sean Bean. Oh, it just goes high anyway. S is the Sean Bean tier. Yeah. S for Sean. A day after EFAP? I only have so much credit cards. Also, where would you put raggers on this list for the M rank? We got another EFAP podcast coming up in a couple... Well, it's all popping.  You can see that about Rags, right?  An offensive. And why is there no M rank? Because as you can see the ranking system is perfect as it is. Full moly because none of the star kids are in play as characters if Ed doesn't... ...lives no war of the fight. I mean... They're kind of their own thing. Everyone's kind of... I don't know if we count it as being responsible, relevant to the thing that they do if they're a kid of theirs. I'm implicated, I don't know. Glad to see that y'all put Tywin Lannister in the correct tier. Tywin did nothing wrong. Well, Barrick, Hello Future Me made a pretty good video rewrite of the long night suggesting that the Night King should have been killed by Aya wearing Barrick's face as a white to get through the crowd with Jon pulling aggro. I would have preferred that. S rank for Ramsay's 50 Good Men. I don't remember that. Hello, Molar. I haven't seen you since Twitch, my bro. Oh yeah, that's the same guy. Hello there. Gay. Buck Stannis is Tywin tier. Yes. Why the hell is the One True King C tier? Don't ask us, ask the show why that's the case. Sir Pounce has a more character development than Tommen. Yeah, Sir Pounce wasn't on this list, which is kind of dumb. Who is Sir Pounce? It's Tommen's cat. Oh, right. That filled up D tier, that's a lot of damage. Yeah, D tier is the most commonly filled tier. I think the way it worked out, our tier system seems to have created what you would expect from a wide range. It's almost like a bell cave. Yeah. The C tier is almost like a tier we remove and put in a different position of just the tier which they got fucked or were only, like Catlin's the only one in there. Maybe could be moved. It's a weird tier. Yeah, I don't really know what to do with Catlin. I don't know, do I?  Oh yeah, we did read that one. W for Who tier already. We should do that next time, the Who tier. Friday night, we're off work, you massive goof. I mean, some people work Saturdays and Fridays and Mondays and all the days. I was Oberyn in ass, but Joffrey in A. He played that role perfectly, had almost the greatest impact of the show by killing Ned and his death was the most satisfying. How do we justify it, Wolf? I don't know. Yeah, there's nothing wrong with Joffrey's whole deal, honestly. I just don't know. I don't know. When I think of Ned Stark and Robert Baratheon and the Hound and Oberyn. I don't know. I don't think of Joffrey on that tier. I can't give you a good answer for it. I just don't think of him the same way I think is those four. I could totally see the argument to be put forth. We could be convinced. I like him in an A. We could put it to a vote if you want. Alright. Speaking of which, what did that poll I was still recording? It was totally record, yeah. Alright, we'll have Joffrey. Is that how you spell his name? J-E-O-F-F-R-E-Y? Is that it? I'll just put Joff so I can't be wrong. Why don't they call him Joff like half the time in the book anyway? They do. S-O-A. Actually, we'll put in A- in case people feel that way.   It's interesting. Your memory does seem to go fade out for like seasons 5 and sort of 6 and 7 again?  Well that's the thing, I don't blame you for that. It's like, yeah. I genuinely for a while tricked myself into believing that Bran was in season 5 and then I realized along the way that no, he's literally not in that season. Like all I remember from season 5 is the John stuff. A bit of the Arya stuff. I don't even really remember what... Oh right, because there was the Masked People with Daenerys' storyline and that went absolutely nowhere. Right, yeah, the Masked People, yeah. What happened in King's Landing? Oh right, Cersei got... She had to do the March of Shame that season, didn't she? Season 6, I think is the March of Shame. Did I ever see a gradual loss of power? Or am I wrong? Could be wrong. I know season 6 ends with her blowing up all the Faith Militant. I thought that season 5 was when she got the Shame Shame thing. Oh yeah, you might be right actually. I'd have to rewatch it. I genuinely try to remember season 5 here and most of what I remember is just what John did. Alright, so Joffrey looks like was significantly in the position to push him in there. What you guys wanted? Fine. Season 5, episode 10 is the March of Shame. Okay, so I was right. Let's continue. Since we're talking Game of Thrones, have you guys heard of Nerd Soup? They made really good Game of Thrones videos until season 8, episode 3. After that I wanted you two to debate them. I'm gonna guess they liked episode 3. The thing is with a lot of Game of Thrones channels that cover every single episode they don't necessarily want to engage in like criticism of that degree. A lot of the time you'll find that they'd like to go, here are some pros, here are some cons. Next episode please. Um... But without... Well that's the thing, without realizing oh this episode was really bad? It almost feels like they're more invested in the idea that that's just the status quo moving on, no episode is any worse than any other really. I don't know because I'm assuming, I have no idea. Is the conversation about Game of Thrones ever really positive now? Like with anybody? It's like no... Nerd Soup like TLJ. Well... I know what channel I'm not gonna watch then. They're allowed to like it, well if you monster. They're allowed to but I'm also allowed to make a judgment on your intelligence if you liked it. So... Classic. I'm just saying TLJ is just a... It's one of those movies that's like oh, you're one of those people. Where do you rank the Night King? Like a... like an F? Honestly? He just walks around raising the death. He literally does nothing and then on top of that he dies in the stupidest way ever. He doesn't have an arc We only know why he was created not why he does anything he does. That's... There's nothing to him. What do you do with the Night King? Oh, one out of 14. I need your reactions on this. Type in Shadow People and other scary tales featuring Sam Basha. Wait, can you re-read that? Type in Shadow People Other scary tales featuring Sam Basha. How do you spell Basha? Y-A-S-H-O-R Shadow People and other scary tales featuring Sam Basha. That's the guy who said he wanted to send you the broken Super Chats. I guess he's breaking them up. The Valleycast Episode 68? Do you know anything about this? Uh, yeah, I've never heard of this. Oh wow, Joffrey's actually winning with the S tier. Wait, sorry, what was it? Who was on it? Joffrey's pretty big on the S tier. Oh.  Or at least... Everyone should have Type into the top. That's always... They didn't do that, they're just wrong. That reminds me, I'm in a ton of other streams because I just have a ton of different tastes. I think it's because of Wolf's recommendations and I just found Jesse Independent and I like her stuff. Cool, that's from James Moore. Uh, hey, Mole Daddy. Hope you had fun.  George, I stole all the RR from Tolkien, Martin, and Brian Johnson. Alright, I... Yeah, I'm very jealous of my hero Chuck-Dash Wendig. Wait, where's the Night King on this list? He's not on the list, I mean. 3 out of 14. The Valleycast Episode 68 in YouTube. 4 out of 14. Bar and Skip 2 all before 30 minutes. They talk about how Game of Thrones Season 8 Episode 3 was amazing. Ooh... I mean, I don't... Yeah, I was gonna say, you could just tell us that. It was like, okay then. The Badass... I don't know. The Badass Granny Tywin tier. Fedora Mormont A... Negative A- Wait, Fedora Mormont? I think they're saying that Olenna and Jorah shouldn't be in these tiers. We had a lot of mixed reactions to Jorah being on A. Where else would you put Olenna aside from, I guess, S tier? Yeah, I mean, I'd sell for her being an S tier, but I don't know. I thought she was amazing. Well, where else would you put Jorah? I think people wanted him in A, but this Super Chat sounds like they want him lower than Odor tier, I don't know. He's not lower than Hodor. Wolf, did you like the Wolfhead on Robb Stark? No. They were seared. That was Season 3. Episode 10, I think. Wouldn't most of the community be on G tier? Most of the community? Like... Which community? The Game of Thrones community? Maybe. That depends on which part of the Game of Thrones community you're looking at. Six toxic nerds need to leave creators alone and let them make their own creative choices. Right? If we go by Wolf's logic then I'll just stop watching Wolf's channel for saying 90% of Nintendo games are the same or when he compared the last of us to The Walking Dead. Oh, God. Oh, I don't care. I mean... I mean... I would compare the last of us to The Walking Dead because it's very similar. I think that's relatively fair. As for Nintendo games being 90% the same do you mean like within their own series? Or do you mean just in general? What'd you say? Nintendo games being 90% the same do you mean within their own line of games? Or do you mean as a whole? No, I wouldn't compare Mario to Zelda. But you mean within their own sort of lines? Yeah, like well, I mean from my experience I mean... I granted... I mean I'm just not interested in Nintendo like at all. I mean the best one I've seen is Breath of the Wild which looks like kind of an Assassin's Creed slash Zelda slash maybe Witcher but I don't care to buy a Switch for one game. So... Yeah. I mean... we could do a community vote for that one because I have no idea. I genuinely don't know because I like her character but I don't know what she does and I don't know... because she definitely isn't the same as Stannis or Aria. I mean I want to say in effect she's worse than C but that doesn't feel right. I don't know. I genuinely don't know what to do with her. She's a very complicated character. We'd really have to narrow down this criteria to be able to... To be able to answer these questions. Yeah. Give me that thick twink but Wolf. No. Combined message was $300 I'll make it up. Make it up to all of you when I'm no longer 20k in debt. Also... James Moore. No, these are all the broken ones but the broken ones are all 2 and there's 14 apparently. They're all one message. I've been reading it separately but I'm still trying to... I'll make it up to all of you when I'm no longer 20k in debt. I would also have sent this during EFAP 34 when it would have made sense but I was held up at work by a customer who wouldn't stop asking stupid questions. There we go. Never gets EFAPed. Guy from TCW thingy? The Clone Wars? Oh. Uh... Okay. Oh, I think he's addressing the guy who's talking about the Clone Wars? I'm not sure. I mean, I have no interest in watching the Clone Wars so... I doubt I'm gonna watch a video on the Clone Wars show so... Maybe one day. If everyone tells you it's the best fucking... Well, they already have so... No, I mean the video. Oh, the video. I don't know what video we're talking about. We could do a Stannis poll on a Uron poll. With Stannis I guess I'll... What would the choices be for Stannis? I think nobody wants me to go any lower. Well, here's the thing is a lot of the people want them to go higher but... Unless you're only basing it off the books which were basing it entirely off the show I mean, he can't really go higher because he was ruined and that's why we put him at that spot. Yeah. Uron, I'm willing to see the argument because I genuinely don't... It's kind of the same thing with Catlin. I don't know where to put him. I just want to see what people are thinking with Stannis. In terms of effectiveness he's definitely above Catlin though. There, you may vote for Stannis but I don't think this is gonna change anything but let's see how we... what we said is kind of unfair. Honestly, I think he's lucky he got it to C like, because he was... He was butchered. Yeah. Change C-Tier to Ruin-Tier. The thing is Catlin wasn't ruined. C-Tier is complicated. Was she ruined? Not really but she had a turn that was quite significant that... In Season 2 she's very much... seems to be very different than in Season 4 I'm sorry. We can do a poll for Catlin as well I guess. Oh, it looks like the majority of the votes for Stannis are C, so... Oh really? Yeah. And then Euron... Where's Euron right now? B. Oh, you made a Euron? No, I'm about to... Got you. We'll make the options A- Hodor and then B. We'll make sure that... How's the Stannis one doing? Yeah, it looks like C is one out. The C's have it. And then this one is for Euron. So anyone listening who's like, I would like to vote on Euron click this. See what you think. Yeah, I'm pretty much on where I'd put Euron exactly. Yeah, that really depends on how you grade him. That's what a broken super chat is. Sorry, but I'm a little broke right now, but I still want to help. That was 15 out of 14s. So this question is thoughts on it part 2 trailer. I'm planning on recording me, hopefully me and Rags, but we're gonna have to do this quickly because you're gonna leave. How long have you got before? A week, right? It's a week, but I pretty much only got Sunday off between... Well, even if I gave like half an hour at some point. Yeah. Then we can do, because I was gonna do the the it2 trailer, the Sonic trailer and apparently there's a new Toy Story trailer. We could just do those three in the same thing. And even if you've seen them... Yeah, well that's the thing, right? It's supposed to be good, bad, and then possibly middle ground. The only thing that noise me is that Bill isn't bald. They did it with the miniseries too. They didn't make him bald. The book explicitly says he goes bald. Either way... I don't know why they can't do it. Save thoughts for that, because otherwise... Interesting. It's really, really good. Well, if someone told you to skip a couple world of time books, don't even do it or wheels of time is it? Wheel of time, gosh. Don't do it, even if they were bad, it would ruin the interactive experience of the later books. Well, I mean, I heard that 8, 9, 10 are the three that are universally considered the bad ones. And 10 is, like, the worst. And I've seen all across the internet that you could just read the Wikipedia article. It's about as effective as just reading the book. But, yeah, I don't plan on skipping any of them. Because I want to read all 15. Would you kindly move Theod for S? Pinch. Um... Where's Euron sitting now? D. Really? Then you got Strelpole be damned. Euron should be Tywin tier. He got exactly what he wanted. This is the thing, though. Euron gets a lot of things done. He killed a dragon very easily, destroyed Daenerys' fleet very easily, or at least a part of it. And I don't even hate him. Like, when he killed the Sand Snakes, he was like my favorite character for a few seconds. That's why I kind of think like B tier is kind of fair. I might be partial to his D tier, but I can't really justify it. Yeah, everyone feels like he should be in D tier. But a lot of Euron hate. I think that's just the fact that writing so bad at the people. I wouldn't blame anybody.  Yeah, he's awesome in the book. A good wizard, yeah. And the actor that plays Euron said he was more interested in playing that character. But what could he do? He could tell the writers to do something better. I don't think it's going to work.  I don't think they could daylight any more. Emilia Clarke wandered around London for hours because of that script. I can't believe that. I feel like she'd have the pole to be able to have changed it, or at least to complain. How did nobody tell them? The rest of the cast is like universally against this script and none of them said anything? Come on, guys. If you're all against it, that's gotta say something. How many people want Theododesty? I mean, I really like him. I wouldn't have a problem with him being an S tier. I just... Look at A tier.  I mean, we got Jon Snow, we got Rob Stark, we got Jamie, Egrit, Cersei, Brienne, and Ramsay. I was going to be so mad at myself if I couldn't remember his name. We'll do this again once Wolf comes back from it. Better give my boy Ned his own tier. I mean, he's... That's a pretty good tier. We all know that Sean Bean has his own tier in everything. He's got a literal website dedicated to him. How many people can say that outside of Sean Bean and EFAP? Well, a lot of people can say they've got their own website, but Sean Bean is the only one with a website that's titled Literally Don't Kill Sean Bean.com. Can you imagine the jokes once he actually dies in real life? People are just going to be like, oh my god, this is the last time we'll ever see him. You know, because people will be sad, but it'll be two times if you make memes. I'll be sad. I still want that movie to come out where everyone except for Sean Bean dies and he just has a really nice day. Yes, we should make that movie. You'll never star in it. That can be our debut movie. It could just like Sean Bean's happy day. Can we have an EFAP guest rating?  Oh god, that would be... I don't think we could do that. It would be too mean. We wouldn't be able to do that. If it was just done by vote though, that would be funny. We just keep re-making votes and saying, well, this is objective. We're not doing it. We're not touching it. As you can tell by my name, I was tickled to hear Wolf the other day say I'm MCU, so here's my money. Because his name was Winter. Yeah, I really like the Winter Soldier. Well, if I asked this a couple of EFAPs to go after you left, but that massive mauler lost it, probably adopted. Dash thoughts on. Dash iron. Dash man. Dash three. Dash. Why do people keep asking you that? Is this the same guy? I don't know. He thinks it's really bad. Very strange one. Especially since I've never really... You've talked way more about Iron Man 3 than I ever have. Yeah, I have a big stake in hatred.  Will quill my angry titties. What? Eric Stewart asks a lot of strange questions. Wait, what? I guess there's apparently a whole page of farting at a wedding in some kind of Star Wars lore and so Chuck Wendig surely isn't worse than the people who do that. I mean, I heard that Chuck Wendig literally put like his fart fetish into his books, so... Granted, I can't confirm this because I don't know what he's talking about. I don't know what he's talking about. I don't know what he's talking about. Granted, I can't confirm this because I've only read what I read in that video. But there's a dude who was really who was in the comments who apparently did read all of the books or at least the first one and he was really fervent in telling every single person in the comments that he put his fart fetish in the book and it was like, oh, that's really disgusting. Why would you do that? Yeah, allegedly. But I mean, it's Chuck Wendig, so I don't I don't think it's that big of a stretch.  Moeller, what do you question in your life? Everything. Literally, I don't even know if Wolf is here for sure. This could just be an AI. Yeah, I could be a different person. Is that AI? Yeah, that too. I think AI is a people. Obrin and Dogman at Bobby's level. Oh, no, no, no, no, no. Look at this, dude. I mean, I don't know, man. Bobby Obrin and you said Dogman. Yeah, it seems to make sense to me. Hound is pretty awesome. Is it the same guy every time? That's diva. Zach Gilber probably has been asking this every time, but he's he's changed his question this time. Thoughts on Iron Man 2. So it's a it's like the Smiler guy always asking was asking. Oh, right. The stole. Yeah. Yeah, they go back in Halo 4 as well. What was the question? Iron Man 2. I don't like it. He doesn't like it. I mean, it's better than Iron Man 3. Yes. Yeah. Yeah, it was the lowest bar until Black Panther and then until Captain Marvel. Good ol' MCU. Bobby Baratheon needs his own tier above Tywin.  Everyone needs their own tier. Let's be honest. Is the special guest on Monday Wolfbot? It is to be announced. You can have like a Scotty's Scotty Cena Wolfbot version. Really good. Yeah, he would have won too if you three didn't decide to gang up on him. I'm sorry. I can't let AI take over. A man has to have at least one hand on the wheel. I loved watching that stream afterwards just seeing rags like really start to lose his shit over it. Rags. Rags just wanted to win the poor man. The long game. Grouchy Gamer as well.   He didn't even know. He says something like what whore named you. I love Robert Baratheon. He's amazing. The smiley guy heard you, Wolf. Yeah. The smiley guy's always there to ask me about Halo 4 and Nickelback. You got to repent. I don't know why. Why Nickelback? That is a strange... You could make an argument for Episode 3. Episode 3, I like it. I don't think it's good, but I like it. Halo 4, there's some good things about it. But Nickelback, really?  Why is that the hill you want to go down on? It's Nickelback. Nickelback is S tier. Nickelback. Alright, well anyway. Thank you all for hanging out. I don't know why people enjoyed this so much, but apparently they did. Maybe we'll randomly do them in the future as well. I'll upload this onto Moola. I'll just call it what the title is I guess, so people can check it out. And yeah, other than that, you know, thanks for the donations. Hope you had fun and we will catch you. Well, I will catch you on Monday at... I think it's like 9.30 a.m. BST I think? It's super early for Americans and then... It thinks this was terrible. As long as you had some fun. We'll see you for the next EFAP on Monday. If you miss it, it'll be on Moola. You missed Superchats. I shunt. Did I miss Superchats? I got all of them. It was like right before... Let me scroll up. Find them. Okay, how would you rank Tywin Lannister with other film TV protagonists? Oh, like Super High. He's like one of my favorite fictional characters ever. I think he's amazing. I don't know. I'd have to really think on that because... Ooh, that there's so many... Definitely high. But I really have to think on that. And then there's another one saying To be fair, you have to be very high IQ to understand atheism.  Yeah, that sounds like something Chuck Wendig would say. Chuck Wendig said that? I mean, I don't know. Sounds like something he'd be cocky enough to say. Make the rest of us look like tards.  Yeah, Tywin on a personal position, he's like my third favorite fictional character. Pretty high though. A lot of characters. Ooh. That's like a weird combo of him and the book as well as the show. But if I had to be completely static about it, I would still score No one still scores extremely high. It's a combo of the performance and just the writing for him. I think especially if you find out all of his history to and tabulous. Please make a guest list with a T tier for totaled. Should we have named D tier daddled? Yes. I went back to that recording earlier today just to see the daddle part. Well, so that I haven't missed any now, right? Oh, way outside of the There's one more despite being 13% of the musical population. Nickelback is responsible for 50% of bad music. I doubt that 30% of the musical population, but I agree with the second part. Yeah. Yeah. Adios and yeah. Okay, good. Excellent. It's been fun. We're gonna head out now. I shall see you guys in the future. Goodbye. I shall see you in the further future.