It's time to upgrade the firmware on the Creality CR6SE. Today I'm going to be using the community firmware and it's pretty awesome. My name's Jim and this is the Edge of Tech. So like I said, today we're going to be upgrading the firmware on the Creality CR6SE. Now, there's a guy out there by the name of Sebastian and him and a bunch of other community members have been putting a ton of time into making a great firmware for the CR6SE. They've been doing an awesome job. As a matter of fact, you can find their names right here somewhere. You guys rock. Now, I've been watching the firmware for a little while and a friend of mine has been testing the new year's release. I believe it was called and that's the one I'm going to use today. Wait, future Jim here, as I got done with this, as you'll hear later, I was talking to Sebastian and he said there was a brand new version, but I had already filmed this video and I got to the end of it. So I'm going to let this video go showing you how to flash version five, but version six is coming. The links will be in the description below and it works just the same. The flash is all the same. I'm running version six right now so far. So good. I hope it continues that way, but I just wanted to give you a heads up that there is new versions always being developed for this. And just when I got done filming with version five, they told me version six was going to be coming. So I wanted to make sure you guys knew that. All right, now back to the video. So today, what we're going to do is grab that firmware. We're going to walk through step by step on how to upgrade this and upgrade the screen on the CR6SE. When we're done, this thing is going to be working better than ever. So why would we want to do this? Well, there's many reasons. The community has been putting a ton of time into this to make a better user interface, make the printer more safe, to make SD cards support better, to make octoprint better. Overall, the firmware we're putting on today should blow the factory firmware out of the water.  It's not that hard to do, but I think we should get to it. The first thing we need to do is figure out what board we have in our printer. It could either be the 4.5.2 board or the 4.5.3 board. But we need to figure that out now. So let's do it. So in order to figure out which board we have in our CR6SE, there's actually a couple of different ways you can do it. The first way being you could take the panel off and look at the board directly. There is a little stamp on it that will say V4.5.2 or V4.5.3. Matter of fact, I'll put a graphic right here to show you what the board would look like and where to find that. The second way to do this is to look at the control panel itself when you turn it on and figure out which version of the firmware you have. Now this only works if you're using the stock firmware. And if you're using the stock firmware and you look and you have version <IP_ADDRESS> or version 1.0.2, you have the version 4.5.2 motherboard. And that's the firmware we're going to use today. If you have version 1.4 firmware or higher, then you'll have the version 4.5.3 board. Now in my case, I've looked and I have the version 4.5.2 motherboard. So that was two different ways you could find the firmware, either look at the board directly or look at what stock firmware or factory firmware your printer has on it. Again, it only works that way if you have the stock firmware still. If you've already changed your firmware, it probably isn't going to work like that because your firmware versions will be different. The last way and kind of the more difficult way you can figure out which firmware you have is to look at the serial number if you still have it on the front of your printer. And you can go through the numbers or the date code and figure out if it's before December 2020, then you'll have the 4.5.2 board. If it's after that point, then you'll have the 4.5.3 board. Personally, if you have the stock firmware, I just like looking at the control panel. It's the easiest way to go. If you want to be 100% sure, you might as well look at your main board and double check. Now that we know what firmware we need, in my case, I have a 4.5.2 board. Let's go get that firmware and get it installed. So the first thing we need to do is go to the GitHub for this firmware. In this case, I'll put the link in the description below. So once you're on the page, it'll see CR6 Community Firmware Release. In this case, Release 5 Beta, the Happy New Year edition. Now it could be a different version in the future and it will be, but for this video right here, this is what version we're going to use. First of all, if you look, it has a great table of contents. Here's your special thanks to everybody. We showed this at the beginning of the video as well, but thank you to everybody in the community who's been contributing to this and Sebastian for rocking this out too. Basically, this gives you everything we're going to go through. It shows you a different user interface. It tells you all the different things, but what we're going to do today is scroll down so we can find the file so we can get right to it. So scroll almost all the way down and you'll notice there's a bunch of different files here. In our case, we want the CR6 4.5.2, which is this one right here. If you have a 4.5.3, it's right here. And if you have a Max, it's right there. I'm going to go with the 4.5.2. So I'm just going to click that and it'll start the download. After that download starts, it'll go to your downloads folder here. You want to right click it if you're on Windows and extract that folder. If you're not on Windows, you'll have to do this a different way. Like on a Mac, you'll have to extract it as well. But either way, you want to extract the folder so this is what you see. Once we get this far, we can do a couple things. We can start with the firmware and we can go with the touchscreen. It does not matter which one you do first. All it matters is both of them get done. So right away, I'm going to right click and extract the touchscreen files out. I'm just going to do it right into this folder, just like that. And this will bring up the touchscreen folder with the files on it. Now, this is very important. Read these instructions. Obviously, I'm going to show you on my side how to do it. But there's a couple things we need to look for when we're flashing this. And it doesn't always work. Sometimes we need to do it two or three times before everything works. And we're going to go through that today. But this is the folder we're going to need for the touchscreen. And it'll say CR6 touchscreen. And this is the folder we're going to need for the regular firmware. We're going to grab our SD card. We're going to put it in the computer. And we're going to load the firmware onto it. Let's do that now. So I just used the SD card that came with the machine to do the firmware on the main board.  Now I highly suggest copying all this stuff off because we're going to need a perfectly clean SD card. So I'm going to right click. I'm going to hit cut. I'm going to click the desktop thing. I'm going to click new. I'm going to do a folder. And it's going to be called CR6SE SD card. So I know what I'm talking about. We'll hit enter a couple of times. And now I'm in desktop CR6SD card. Now you can save this anywhere you want. You don't have to save it in this location. But then just paste it over. I used control V. You can right click and hit paste as well. It won't take that long. And it'll copy all the stuff off of our SD card and onto a folder just in case you ever need that again. So once everything is copied to the new location, I'm going to go back to drive F. That's what the SD card was called. And now it is perfectly clean. There's nothing on it. That's what we need. So what we need to do next is actually go back to our firmware folder that we opened. And we're going to find this firmware.bin file. I'm going to right click it. I'm going to hit copy. I'm going to go back to drive F, which was empty. Right click and just hit paste right on the root of that drive. Once that's pasted in, it only takes a second. I'm going to go to F, right click and eject that drive. Just like that. So the next thing we need to do is get our SD card ready for the screen.  You need a micro SD card. So one of the little guys like that. And we need to copy everything off of it if you need, if you want to. And we also need to format this in a specific way to make it work with the screen. So I'm going to pop this in real quick and then we're going to do that now. Okay. So once I got the micro SD put in, you see it popped up and I use this one quite a bit. But we need to get everything off of this one as well. So I'm going to highlight everything. In my case, I'm going to hit control A and then right click and then do a cut. I'm going to go back to the same. Desktop and I'm going to do micro SD card stuff. So I'm going to open that up and we're just going to paste it in there. This one shouldn't take long either.  So I kind of want to save them. You don't have to do this part, but I would suggest copying off if you ever want to print that again. So in the folder with a touch screen firmware, we need to go open this read me text. So when you open this, it has a ton of information and it's very helpful.  So hopefully we get it right. The first time, if not, we're going to keep doing it till we do. But it also says a couple pre-rex. We need a micro SD card of 16 gigabytes or less. It needs to be SD or SDHC. It needs to be formatted at fat 32. And it only can have a cluster size of 4096 right here. It cannot be an SDXC card. And we want to make sure it's formatted 100% correct. So I'm going to go back to drive F. It should be empty. Now I'm going to do a format. So I'm going to right click. I'm going to go up here to format. Remember, this is absolutely going to delete everything on that. So you want to be careful there. So allocation size 4096 bytes. Fat 32. You can label it if you want to and I'm going to do a quick format. But this is very important that we use fat 32. And it has to be 4096 bytes. We'll hit start. It says warning. It's going to format everything. It's going to erase all. Okay, go for it. It should only take a second and it's going to be done. And now that format is done. We can hit close. So if you have issues with this part, refer to this text file. It's going to go through everything we need to go through. Once we have it ready, all we need to do is drop that dwin underscore set folder, the whole folder, right to the SD card. So that the folder itself is present on the SD card. So this folder right here, not the contents like this, but the folder. So I'm going to right click this. I'm going to hit copy.  I'm sorry, which is my little micro SD card and I'm going to hit paste. That only takes a second. And that whole folder is on the root of our SD card now. Now we want to eject that. So eject or unmount if you have a Mac. And once that's done, now we go to the printer. All right, so we have both of our SD cards now, the one for the printer and the one for the screen. Now what we need to do is start with the screen. You can start in any order you want, but I'm going to start with the screen. So in my case, I'm just going to take it off. Yours could connect differently than mine. I know I've seen some videos where I think they may have changed this. But in this case, this is how mine comes off. It just an Allen wrench to the front here. And that comes off like that. And again, yours could mount a little bit different than this. I'm going to flip this over and pull the cord out like that. I'm going to take these four screws out, which is pretty quick and easy. So one, two, three, four. I'm going to lift the back of the screen off like this. And on the back of my screen, this is where my SD card is. And it goes up into here. Yours might be slightly different on the different production models. But in my case, I believe that the SD card goes straight up like this. And it'll slide right into that slot. So I'm going to try that. I'm going to set it right here carefully. I'm going to push it in and it's snapped in. Perfect. Now, if I bring this closer, you can see the SD cards in the slot right here. Now, what we need to do is plug in the screen like this. And I'm going to hold it here and just turn the printer on. Once the printer comes on, it's going to go through the firmware upgrade right here. And it's going to say SD card in progress.  This could take a couple minutes. So I'm going to let this go. And in the end, I'll show you what it should look like. Now we're done. And I can see at the top, it says end here. So that means it's done. And there's files in this area. So we have a one, a three, a three, a zero, one, a five, and then zeros here. But I know that some files were actually copied. That means, according to the screenshots in the folder we got, that means this was successful. It does say up here what version it is. And it also says to do this two or three times. So I'm actually going to do this a couple times. And then I'll be right back. But make sure it says end and make sure you have any files. If this is all zeros right here, then it did not work. You want to try it a couple more times. If that didn't work, reformat your card and try it again. But in this case, we do have some numbers. That's a good thing. Now I'm going to pull the cord back out because we know it worked. I'm going to take my SD card out of here because it doesn't need to stay in there. So I took the SD card out. I took the power cord out. I'm going to set my back cover back on. I'm going to screw the back cover on with those four bolts we took this out with. And then I'm going to put the screen back on the printer. And then we'll be done with the screen firmware upgrade. So that only took a few minutes to take it off and flash it and then go again. So then I'm going to plug this back in like that.  And I'll be right back. Okay, now that the screen is done, we're ready to upgrade the firmware on the printer. I have my card here. It's formatted and the bin or the firmware files on it. This is the second or third time I've tried. It has not worked. So I've actually tried using a couple of different cards here so far. And in this one, I actually changed the name of the firmware. We're going to see if I can get it to work that way. So I'm going to plug this in. So it's plugged in there. I'm going to turn the printer on and hopefully we can get a firmware upgrade here. Hey, hey, it worked. So what I had to do there was change the name of the file to just firmware one. And I'll show you that on the computer here in a second. But it actually worked. To verify that it worked, let's go check it out here. It does show me everything with a new screen up at the top. It says, Creality Community Firmware. And I think it looks awesome. But it says it's ready. Let's go to Control. Let's go to Info. We have a firmware right here, which is a Creality Community Firmware CR6 Release 5 right there, which is awesome. And it tells you the website to go to. The screen looks like it's working. And it is pretty awesome. I really like the new interface. As you can see here, it really changes it up. You have a print option here. There's nothing in there right now. You can prepare it so we can heat everything up. Something you might want to do is just make sure everything moves OK. Let's just do a forward and a back here. Yep, that works fine. If we do right and left, our hot end is moving. And if I go up and down, my gantry is going up and down. So that's awesome. Just verify all those are correct. Once we have it like this, it says we need to go reset defaults. So let's go to Control here. Let's go Restore Factory Settings. And it'll restore everything just like that. Just so you know when you do that, if you had any special configs, it will get rid of that. So save those off if you need to. But again, that's just Control. Restore Factory Settings. It'll beep and you're done. That's pretty awesome. The next thing we need to do is level it. So I'm going to pull the camera back. We're going to level this thing and see how it does. So it heated everything up and now it's going to go probe. So now it's going to go ahead. It heated up and it's going to go through a new probing sequence. If we look at the screen here, it looks like it's going to probe similar to like an M. So it's going to go up, over, down, over, up, over, down. So I'm going to let it go through its thing here. We're going to drop a quick time lapse in and we'll be right back when it's done probing. So we're at the very last point here. And as you can see, all of these are white now, which means it hits all those points on the bed. It's really cool. So they're hollow and then when it hits each one, they kind of light up to let you know that it hit those points on the bed. And it also does the leveling at 50C on the bed and 120C on the nozzle, which I really think is cool. There is a Z offset button. I have not adjusted that yet because we haven't had to. I haven't printed anything, but that is pretty cool. So we're just doing a quick homing. There we go. So once the leveling part of this is done, all we need to do is test. So the next thing we're going to do is maybe throw a test on there. But in general, the firmware is now installed. We went through the new leveling process. We got that dialed in. And now if we go back, it's really cool new interface. And there's a lot of really cool features. So I just wanted to show you something real quick. I was talking on Discord about the issue I was having flashing the firmware, which I ended up needing to rename the firmware file. So it worked. When I jumped in here, they said, hey, wait, we have a brand new version coming. The one you're doing is going to be outdated soon. So use this one. So if you notice here, I redid this real quick. And I'm using CR6 Community Firmware, release six pre three ready. So I flash the screen again. I flashed the firmware again. And now we have the brand new firmware. And it's released six. It says pre three on my screen here. So what that's going to do is give us the ability and the possibility to override retractions of the slicer, which will be pretty cool if you want to do maybe a retraction test or something. You'll be able to come in and actually override the retractions right on the screen, which can be pretty cool. So what I'm going to do, I'm going to go through the control, restore factory defaults again. I'm going to go through another level. I'm going to let it heat up, run through another leveling, and then we're going to get a print going. So that's it. We've successfully added the new firmware to our CR6 SE. And that community firmware is really cool. As I was having an issue with the firmware, that I ended up fixing by changing the firmware file on the SD card. So I just right clicked, I renamed it to firmware one.bin, put it back in and it worked fine as we saw in the video there. But as I was doing that, I was talking on Discord to Sebastian and he said, hang on, your video is going to be outdated pretty quick because we have a new version coming. So he gave me the link to the new version, which is release six. And I threw it on here real quick. And I just showed that right before we cut to this shot. But it went on the same way. It went on very easy. It is a screen and a board update. So everything will be the same as you saw here with the exception of that you'll use the version six, not the version five we were just using. So all of that being said, I think this went on pretty quick and easy. It took about maybe 10, 15 minutes because we had a couple of issues. The longest part is actually taking that screen off and putting it back on. And then the factory reset and the leveling at the end. You want to make sure you do that. I'm going to do a few prints and see how it's going now. I'll throw those out on social media just to make sure everything prints good. But for this video on how to upgrade the firmware on the CR6SE, that's it. This video probably took longer to film than the actual process takes, but that's okay. I did it a couple of times with that new firmware version. But I really appreciate the community for jumping in on this. Sebastian and everyone else who has a part in this as we saw in the beginning of the video with the credits there. I really hope it makes my CR6SE much better. I hope you guys learned something today and as always, keep printing. Hey, everybody. I hope you liked the video.  You guys rock.


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Live from San Francisco, California, it's theCUBE at VMworld 2014, brought to you by VMware, Cisco, EMC, HP, and Nutanix. Now, here are your hosts, John Furrier and Dave Vellante. Okay, welcome back everyone, here live in San Francisco, California, VMworld 2014. This is theCUBE, extracting the seeds from the noise. I'm John Furrier with my co-host Dave Vellante. Our next guest is Eric Mielsen. Eric runs all the social media at VMware. Legend in the social media community, Eric. Really have been a big part of VMware's transformation and just build out of overall community, which VMware has one of the most active communities on the planet, very much part of the product development, part of the geekness of VMware, and certainly always keeping you on your toes on social media, Eric, welcome to theCUBE. Hey, thanks for having me, John. I really appreciate getting the opportunity to spend time with you. I know that we've been doing VMworlds for a number of years now, and social is a big, big thing at the show. We have over 100,000 tweets going out.  We really appreciate your support, your real visionary and practitioner at the same time. You guys have had a great success, and I got to say, you know, everyone's pushing the envelope and trying new things. I certainly have done that, but you have a tough customer. The VMware community, they're smart, they're active, and they're cool, so you can't just shove stuff down their throat. And they're also introverts, some of them, just saying, and so, I mean, there's a lot of programs that we have to build that have value and have key value. It's not just doing social for social, it's actually doing social to teach, help, learn, build knowledge to the people that are following us and listening so that when you're doing your job and you're going to run a data center that you're in the social, you're in communities in order to get your job done quicker and faster. And I think that's the key value prop that we bring to the program. And we're always saying and trying new things, but the reality is the ones that stick are the ones that actually bring people value. You know, I just want to give you some props. I'm not to stroke you too much here on theCUBE, but we've known each other, and we've worked together for past fires with theCUBE, but I say, you guys have always been good listeners, and I think, you know, we want to talk about what that means now as we progress in social. You guys have always been good listeners to the community and listened to their feedback. And I want, so I want to get your take on that. What have you learned over the years around the true art of serving people in communities, virtual spaces, to physical events, and that art of listening? Well, I mean, it's absolutely clear that you have to be in community, in engagement with the people. You have to love the people, right? And the people have to love you. It has to be a real relationship. And I think some of the comments are, look, if you want to get help done, or if you want to get something from VMware, just tweet it out, and we're there. It's not like robots out there listening. All of the community programs and social programs rerun. We always have a person there. We put our people through training, so we have VCP people that know virtualization. And so when we're engaged with the dialogue in social, it's because we know about what the technology is and what people are trying to do. And I think that's the first thing in listening. It's not really listening as much as it is just being in the conversation and being there and having a passion for what the people that you're talking to are doing. And that makes a big difference. So let's get down to some nitty gritty about what's going on at VMworld. What are you guys doing? Just give some quick tidbits around the social, what's happening here, and what do you guys have doubled down on and what works, what doesn't work? Yeah, yeah, interesting things. One of our biggest programs is what we call a Vexpert program. And that's kind of our lead social evangelist. And you have to apply for it and jump through hoops to get to it. We have over a thousand Vexperts now, right? And that program continues to grow. And that's a scenario where we're building tools and technologies for them to be social advocates. And one of the things we look at in the social program is how can we enable people to be successful in building their own personal brand or their own public brands, right? So that we're not the only ones that are actually doing this social. We're actually helping them do social. So it's kind of like not teaching people how to fish. It's teaching how to people to run fishing boats or fishing fleets, right? And when we do that, that really amplifies the advocacy. It seems like if you think about the supply and demand in social, a lot of the events that we go to, it seems like the supply is really where all the focus is. People say, okay, we got to do something. And sometimes it comes across as gimmicky. It seems like with VMworld, the demand for social consumption is very high. I know, for instance, you mentioned VExports. I know Stu was in my office on Friday and he's like, okay, I got to go pack because I'm leaving this weekend because I'm going to join another VExport. So it seems like the demand is really high for social. How does that change the way in which, first of all, is it a reasonable observation? And how does it change the way in which you approach social? Yeah, I think that is true. We are fortunate at VMware. One, we're not that old a company. VMware is only like 15 years old. And so everything was greenfield for us. So we didn't have legacy systems. And then secondly, we're doing virtual machines and virtual technology, virtual storage, virtual networking and geeky people love to build things. And what a better way to build things, but through software. And so because we're enabling people to geek out and build things and then try things. And it's all in software, which means you don't have to have a lot of hardware to do this. That has meant that the passion to share what you've ever, we're able to build. We have a lot of builders and the passion to be able to share those builds. If you look at most of our advocates and most of our vExperts, they're guys that were in the lab trying things out and then wanted to share them. And because VMware is all software driven, it's easy to do that. And then when you do it, it's easy to share it. And I think that propagated kind of where we have so much traction in the space. And the core is the technical group, John. I mean, they have not lost that core. It's very front and center at this show. I want to ask Eric about some of the trends. I've seen social and you're riding that wave and certainly as Pat Gelson says, if you're not out in front of the next wave, you're driftwood. And you guys certainly have been offensively, aggressively deploying stuff to continue your mission to serve your community and have that connection, that relationship which drives your business model actually.  It's been out for a while, but yet new tooling is coming out and it seems to be everyone's got this new tool and no one wants another tool like a hole in the head, right? So there's all this pressure. So I want to ask you about the infrastructure, the software, is social turning like DevOps for digital? Is there, is there, what's your vision? Well, you know, from my perspective, I think digital, you know, marketing is becoming the trend, right? So pulling all of the different channels together. I kind of like a look at hyperconvergence technologies where you have network storage and physical CPUs. And I kind of apply that industry shift to kind of what's happening around digital marketing, right? Where you do have web and now you do have social and four years ago it was community, right? And these things are maturing and they're maturing into very robust channels just like, you know, video is, right? They're all mature. You have incredibly good people driving incredibly mature organizations through those channels. But now it's has to come together, right? So you're saying they're silos? Yeah, absolutely. They've been kind of silo. I don't like to call them silos. I like to call them mature because they are excellent high producing channels. We'll call them channels. And then the question you got to say is how do you do multi-channel marketing, right? Digital marketing through those channels and what systems and technology do you need to pull those together so you can have a simultaneous campaign that goes through all channels at once? I really think you're onto something here. Dave and I were just talking again the other day about data driven, right? So one of the things we believe in the Cube is this data-first mentality. And if you look at all the stuff that you guys have deployed, there's some healthy, robust, mature community software, blog software. Now you have search engine optimization. These are practices that have been going on and maturing as you said. I'll call them silos, this idea of integrating across them functionally requires some data, data sharing. It requires orchestration. It requires some potentially new SaaS software. That's right. And human resource training and understanding the whole concepts and cross department sharing of knowledge in those tools. So yeah, I think you're right on something there. And you see some of the vendors start to look at this now, right? Some of the big Adobe and others are starting to look at digital marketing platforms that go across multiple channels. But it's a pretty tough thing to do because the channels are very mature and the software is mature. And you have to try, maybe there's going to be some consolidation in the industry around this space. But it's the same message as cloud. You don't want to have a lock-in spec on a platform. Oh, I sold you some software, spend a million dollars, and now I got to use it, but I want to be more, I want to do other things. So there's this openness thing happening as well, right? Yeah, I think so. I think that all of us cringe at the price tags for some of the big solutions that are going to be in this space. And then you know you fear lock-in. And then operational lock-in, and then you start losing agility at the same time because part of the social, part of the communities of these channels, very agile, right? I mean, we can get things out on a dime, right? And so when you start to hyper-converge in this space, how do you also maintain that agility? Dave, this is DevOps. I mean, I tell you we're having a DevOps. Agility, flexibility, openness, performance. I mean, this digital 3.0, this next wave of digital is serious business. It's not like a very gimmicky situation. And what about the data angle? I mean, we've talked over the years about data and metrics and how is that all coming together? I mean, early on there was a conversation, well, what's the ROI of social and return on instinct and where are we with that? Right, I think to come back to John's point, I will use the word silo because when you start looking at data and data reporting, it is very siloed. So my video views are in the millions. I mean, you guys are doing great work on yours. We have bloggers, 20,000 blogs at VMware, alone, VMworld during the session. And if you start looking at these numbers, there's no convergence of the numbers. And none of the platform vendors have figured out how to try to pull this together yet. And look at Twitter and 250 million impressions this show alone. And what does that mean? And what does that mean driving that data to the properties that you want them to consume? So very, very difficult, I mean. There's a lack of data standards. I mean, this is sort of a data governance issue. This is like HIPAA standards in medical. It's almost in social. I got data in my blogs, but I can't use that data fast enough in real time. So I think you're going to see, and I think Dave, we joke about always pimping up our crowd chat, but that's the docker of social media with the engagement container. So we're excited by that. But I want to ask you a different question. I want to get your perspective on that. Let me, let me. One more thing, I would say that we are going to spend more money on solutions like that to make that happen. Awesome. Yeah. Well, great. Could I get a PL right here in the cube? Yeah. The social media world, this is kind of my little hot button because we've been involved in social from day one as you have is the social media guru, right? I mean, that whole sales pitch, you've been sold many times. Sure. What is the things that you don't like about social that you want to kind of get off my lawn kind of thing? Or, and the things that you like about social. Sure. Yeah, I think there's two things. One, I tell people socials like PowerPoint, right? Everybody needs to learn it. Don't think yourself as a PowerPoint guru. Don't think yourself as a social media guru. Think of as governance, best practices, standards, and helping move forward. But the reality is there is no such thing as a social guru. This is just PowerPoint of today's times, right? A native skill. Yeah, that's right. Native skill. Everybody has to do it. And you can be an expert at these things, but I don't like the title social guru. I don't think it exists. And as we move forward, it'll be less and less important. Well, what do you like, though? So I agree 100%. What I like is I love the people, right? And in the end, if you're in social, you should really not worry about the marketing, worry about the love of the people and the engagement and interaction, and the marketing will naturally flow with that. And so that's what I love about it. It's just like everybody that's out there. And the fact that we can engage in, I can engage with 10,000 people just on my Twitter account, and they're all my best friends.  If the cloud, mobile, and social truly become the standard which it is, it's converging. We talked about the data as a challenge and already, what is the value of the interconnectedness? So you brought up a term called being connected, friends, right? So how do you see that engagement piece evolving? Because now you have mobile, different experience. User experience is primary on social. What's your vision around the engagement aspect of social and how do you stay on top of that trend? It is a tough challenge because what's really happening is this matures the metrics, the monitoring of all the engagement. It becomes a marketing tool, and then you start having to deal with the marketing out. And so I think it's a challenge to keep things, content selection, I think it starts becoming key, right? Where you're looking at, you want to select content that is highly engageable but then still has a value prop to all the hyperconverged marketing channels. And so I think that content selection will also become key so you start seeing some of the digital signal on some of these other guys that are building content in products that will allow us to do a better job at high volume campaign marketing with excellent content selection from the social channels. So I got to ask you about the integrated marketing vision. A lot of people are talking about really collapsing in and kind of pulling together PR and comms, corporate communications with social media execution and integrated marketing. Now this brings up the whole omni-channel, omni-marketing, but now you have different operating cycles. PR is out there pumping things up in real time, kind of out in the front lines, might have a different horizon on a three-month cycle, one-day cycle, marketing is more maybe a year. How do you guys at VM where look at that? What can you share with folks that you guys are doing that's innovative in that area? I think that's where we come back to, when you look at these tools and technologies, how do you still remain flexible and dynamic? And I think that's where we are. We have to look at timeline out. You have to look at what is your cadence for content that needs to go out in each one of these. And when you do converge, you have to keep in context that these different timelines exist. I don't think it's an easy thing. I think there will be some amount of non-convergence just because they do have different audience types and different cycles. And so you have to deal with that. So I want to ask you about my favorite topic, content marketing. Buzzfeed certainly got a lot of big round of funding. Native advertising is being called, whatever you want to call it. But now with the social connectedness, where you basically have a social graph of friends and potentially new friends, a new dynamic is evolving. And a lot of companies have been hiring editors and chiefs to come in-house. The crowd layer, of course we know, I rule bias with crowd chef, but it brings up the notion of what is content marketing? You guys have been doing this at VMware. What would you share with folks out there around successes in content marketing and things to do as we go forward to be successful? Yeah, I mean, in the VMware stack, you have to have VCPs. You have to have experts in the products, right? So when we looked at, we don't want to be necessarily in the content production business, this is where we go out to the community and we build platforms that allow us to pull excellent content in from the thousand V experts and also then highlight their brand content and give them credit for that. So share the wealth of our brand with their brand and then pick and choose and have automated systems that pull that content from their channels up into our channels. Yeah, people use the word influencer as a big buzzword. Find some influence and they can market our product. Twitter just put out their earnings and actually highlighted that this new consumption market where the production market is the influencer is actually producers, not necessarily to be sold something. The consumers are consuming independently from the producers. I don't need to go to Ferguson to understand what's happening there because there's people out there on the ground. So an interesting dynamics going on. Do you see that same trend when you just brought this up? Experts are producing content. They're being consumed by the people not in that market. Yeah, certainly we see that. There are a lot of people out there that are just looking to learn and engage where they're not necessarily in our market, but they find themselves in our market learning and that's fine by us. I don't think we do content selection or publishing for those people but we're happy to have those people engage with us. We do tier our content so that if you are new, you can easily engage in channels and content that would allow you to consume it without being an expert in the subject. Eric, Niels and directors, social media and communities here at VMworld sharing some awesome insight around social, really appreciate it. You guys have been great practitioners and also leading the way with innovation. We really appreciate your time. This is theCUBE live in San Francisco at VMworld 2014. We'll be right back with our next guest after this short break.


Welcome to Dare to Dream. This is Debbie Daschinger. I've got a return guest today, and I'm chomping at a bit for this conversation because Morgan Daimler, the Morgan Daimler is here. She's an expert in all things fairy. I'm going to recommend also, if you love what you hear today, go back and listen to her first interview on the show because we're covering all new material today. If lit people on fire, I was hearing from so many people who are buying her books and awakening to this idea of fairy with the details that Morgan provides. So highly recommended. This show has been nominated for two People's Choice podcast awards for a Webby Award. Dare to Dream with Debbie Daschinger, just won in Denver recently, the Coalition for Visionary Resources Award for best radio show and podcast. And is listed in Welp Magazine as one of the top 20 best podcasts to listen to, Hurrah. I've been doing this 15 years, so I love receiving the recognition for the work I do. 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Morgan is a blogger, poet, teacher of esoteric subjects, which priestess of the Deowyn Mata? I hope I said that right. And Morgan is a prolific pagan writer having published more than a dozen books under Moon books alone. And she's one of the world's foremost experts on all things, theory. Morgan's books, please check the show notes so you can get yours. Obviously they're on Amazon. You want to spell her last name correctly, D-A-M-I-L-I-E-R. Or you can go to johnhuntpublishing.com and she's got an entire author page. She will delight you because she's got so many wonderful books to choose from. And with that, I bring back to the show, Morgan Daimler. Yes, so great to have you here. That's great to be here. Thank you for having me back on. We had an interesting hitch at the very beginning to start this and I was baffled. I've never seen technically anything like that happen. And you said, oh, it's the fairies. So what do you think? Why do you think? And you said they've shown up before when you do interviews and they know you're going to talk about them. Why do you think they do that? I honestly think it's a way to just get people's attention and make it clear that they are present, that they are there. Not you, of course, because you're amazing and I know that you have a lot of belief in this but I think with other interviews and things that I've done it's a way to get the host to be a little more open to believing and just a way to demonstrate that they really are there. Because as we were talking about right before we started it's these weird things that people don't have problems with normally. And it only ever seems to happen when it's me and only when I'm talking about this, so. Wow, okay. Well, I'm kind of honored that they know and they definitely have my attention. I'm glad it happened before we started. Exactly, thank you and thank you. I just want to hold up two of your gorgeous books. This one which I, oh my gosh, I'm so excited to dive into this, Into Shadow, The Talon Chronicles. Oh my God, I love stuff like this so I cannot wait because girl, I need a good novel. I really do, I need to escape. This is Summer Escape. So I just want to hold these up. Of course she's got plenty more books for you to choose from and the book we are going to be talking about today to look like the woman on the cover. She's so gorgeous, is Pagan Portals Fairy Queens, meeting the queens of the other world. Oh, hello. So I have two interesting questions for you because they popped before we connected and I want to, because you see these things and I love that you make a living, a juicy living.  That's amazing, right? Welcome to 2022, what a healing. So what for you in all your time of interacting with the other worldlies has been the most scary experience that you've had if you don't mind me asking? That's a very good question. I've had a couple that were very unnerving. I think probably the one that I would say was the most frightening would be, I was in a state park, local to where I am that is kind of known, it has a reputation among people who are sensitive to these things for having a lot of fairy things going on, otherworldly things going on. So this isn't just like my personal impression, like people around here kind of know this place. And I was there one day and there's a waterfall and then a little river and it kind of gone off the path to try to walk down closer to the river by the bottom of the waterfall, which of course you're not supposed to actually go there, but I was. And I came around this one sort of section of rock, rock wall and there was a little like inlet with the water and there was something in the water, a fairy being, but one of the ones that's not as happy about humans. And I remember freezing and she was looking at me and I was looking at her and there was just a strong sense of like, if I kept going forward, it was gonna be very bad for me. And I think that's the most afraid I've been because I kind of, it's like if you round a corner and there's a bear and the bear's not doing anything, but you just sort of know like that whatever you do in the next few seconds is gonna make a difference for how it comes out for you. So I just kind of put my hands up and then backed away really slowly and went back around the corner and figured, you know what, she wants to be alone and she does not want me there and I'm gonna respect that and find somewhere else to go. But I think that that time. When you felt that imminent danger, like you felt the line drawn, what kind of things potentially could she have done to you if she had chosen to? I mean, the type of being that she could have been because there's a couple options, but the more dangerous things that are associated with water when they're angry at people or upset or whatever else is going on with them, they are known in stories to drown people. So that was sort of my concern in that moment just because water spirits in particular tend to have a little more of an extreme reputation, whether it's for helpful reasons, like some of them are known to be very beneficial and very helpful to humans. You hear stories about like selfies, the seal people that'll save sailors and storms and you know, so there's more positive. I don't wanna make this sound like it's all negative. There's more positive, but the ones that are a little more on the anti-human side of things, that's usually the direction it goes in, so. So you're sensitive, you're aware, you can see, right? So you actually had visual contact and obviously self-preservation. It's like, there's other places to go in nature.  So you're doing that.  It could have, you know, and that's usually like the worst case scenario. A lot of times, even people who aren't sensitive, who can't see, but also who just generally aren't sensitive to spiritual things, will still get a very strong feeling of unease, like that sort of a chill with no explanation, like that feeling of hostility, even if they don't know why. It's only rarely that you'll get someone who will ignore that or push through it. And then usually, yeah, that's not gonna end very well. So we do have a lot of stories like in the folklore and even modern accounts of people who run into problems because of stuff like that. Okay, and conversely, what for you, Morgan Daimler, is the most profound, positive, maybe even life-changing experience you've had with other worldly? Sure, so there's two stories I could tell here, and they're both around healing. One was my personal experience. I was in Iceland with a tour group, we were going to different spiritual sites, and we had one day that was kind of a more relaxed, like in the middle of things sort of day, and I got very sick. And I was kind of panicking because we're in a foreign country. We're also sort of in the middle of nowhere. It's like 100 something miles to a hospital. And I was like, I really don't know what I'm gonna do. Like we have this one day to rest, but then the next day we're supposed to be back on the bus doing all the things. And so I had sort of walked out and it's just gonna sound a little random, but followed a trail of mushrooms to a mushroom circle which is a thing associated with fairies. And I normally tell people not to do things like this, but I did, wandered off into the wilderness following mushrooms. And I kind of found this spot, and I just had this moment where I was sort of like, I need some assistance here. And that night I went to bed. I was sharing a room with a friend of mine, and I woke up like completely woke up instantly, and it was like three in the morning. And there were three figures standing around my bed. And I remember in the moment feeling very warm. Like I think I probably had a fever, but not enough that this wasn't happening. And looking at the figures, they were human size figures. And just thinking to myself, okay, these are elves, alfar in Iceland. And there's nothing I can do about this. So I'm gonna go back to sleep. Which is what I did. It was a very peaceful, like I didn't feel any kind of threat from them. I felt safe. And I woke up that next morning and I was perfectly fine. I was not sick at all. I had had, I think it was probably bronchitis. So it was not the sort of thing that you normally, you have it one day and then you wake up the next day and you're fine. And I really truly believe that that was a healing experience with them. So that's one story. And then the second story was not me personally, but my 14 year old has a lot of medical issues. But when they were 11, they were diagnosed with scoliosis. And so we were seeing the doctor for that. And the curve in the spine was getting through where they were just starting to debate whether they would have to put my kid in a brace. And my kid is autistic. So that was not something that was gonna go over well, we'll just say. And I kind of had the same sort of moment where I went to the particular fairies, the particular good folk that I have a strong connection to. And I was just like, I just need some help here. Because I don't ask that it should be completely healed. I'm not asking that every medical issue be resolved, but just this one particular thing, if it could just not get to this point. And we went to the next appointment and they did the X-ray and her back was straight. And even the doctor could not explain it. Like I think it honestly freaked them out because I asked them, like, does this happen? Do people with scoliosis, does it just resolve itself? And he's like, no. He's like, there must have been some mistake maybe with the previous like three X-rays they've done over the course of like a year. But he had no explanation for it. And to this day, they followed her for another year. We had to go back and they kept doing the X-rays, everything was still fine. And then they finally said, you know, she was okay and we didn't have to go back. But I have, I honestly don't think there's any other explanation for that outside of something, you know, otherworldly, you know, not human medicine. And I assume, but I'm not sure that the fairies and these that you work with that you're connected with, they're okay not to get credit? Yeah, generally, there are certain things like those particular stories, it's okay for me to tell. There's certain things that happen, you know, just in general with them throughout life that it's sort of a, you know, you don't talk about it. Whether it's like, you don't wanna, they don't like people who brag and boast and are, you know, and try to make themselves seem special for things that the fairies are doing. So you kind of have to walk that line with things. And I always try to be very clear with both of those circumstances that that was completely them, their power, you know, with whatever they chose to do. I certainly wasn't commanding anything or ordering anything. I was just kind of asking in a nonspecific way, just, you know, help me please with these situations. Amazing stories, amazing. Yeah, and I do have the X-rays. I can email them to you later if you wanna see them. It's a true story. Wow. Yeah. I love that. That should be in one of your books for sure. I think with the X-rays. So, okay, let's go on to this fabulous book, Chock Full of Info.  My own journey in fairy was not something I ever expected to intersect with a fairy queen. And yet it did. My own spirituality was not something I ever thought would one day focus on a fairy queen and yet it does. So can you explain your personal fairy intersections and what they've meant? Sure. So, and I think we might have talked about this on the first show a little bit. I've always seen these beings. I've had these experiences, even when I was a small child, but it was always just sort of one aspect of things for me, of my spirituality. Obviously, I talk a lot about fairies now and I primarily focus on that, but there was other things going on, like ghosts, human spirits. There was just a lot of things going on. And so for a long time with my spirituality, it was sort of diverse. Like most people. And then I had been invited by a friend to co-host a trip to Ireland in 2016. And this was to focus on the morrigan, who is a Irish pagan goddess. We were doing a sacred sites tour, which was super awesome, by the way. I highly recommend going to Ireland if anyone ever has a chance to. But the point of it was to focus on this one particular pagan goddess. And I found for myself when I got there, that just everything immediately did not go to plan. The tour itself was great. I think everyone who went on it had a good time and felt like they got what they needed to out of it. But for myself, I found that everything ended up focusing just completely on fairies, on the fair folk. And I ended up undergoing what I considered to be like an initiatory sort of experience with them. And that really just altered everything for me. So since then, that has kind of become my primary focus with everything. I was always interested in it. I was always studying it. It was always an aspect of things. But after that, it sort of just became the entire picture if that makes sense. Totally makes sense. I just have this curiosity when you say that. I don't know if you know Dolores Cannon's work with quantum healing hypnosis technique. I don't know, I'll have to look into it. Oh girl. So brilliant. She's no longer with us, but she created this hypnosis really just to help people. But of course, her mission came through and she has put people under what they call QHT. That's the acronym. Her work is world renowned. And she's got a lot of audibles, which I'm eating right now. I'm so voraciously going through them. And there's all these transcriptions of the hypnosis experiences. And in them, people are relaying all sorts of experiences. They do see fairies. They talk about amazing things. Also UFOs and other past lives, like amazing. The reason why I say this is because I hear you and it just makes me wonder, because you're getting a lot of help. There is no doubt, right? That you're getting a lot of help. There's a lot of connection there. Do you think just instinctively or maybe knowingly that you have been fairy in another life or of course, really concurrent life? That's a really good question. I have definitely had people outside intuitive people tell me that they believe that to be true. I do feel like I have some sort of connection that goes beyond anything that I can kind of easily explain. I think sometimes we're born into our current life with connections to things. And part of our journey in our life is to sort out some of those connections, what they are, what they mean. And maybe this is what I was always meant to do while I was here. I love that. That's my download for you, too. I appreciate it. I have to really give that some thought, too. So in your book, you write, I love this, because this is really different. And that's what's so cool about your work. You write about traveling in fairy with a disability. So great. So you offer these wonderful meditations and journeyworks. Can you talk about people who have a disability, a physical limitation in their human form, but what that means in the fairy world? Yeah, so I think that a lot of people, when they hear people talking about guided meditations or journeywork or any sort of that focused spiritual work that we can do, there tends to be sort of an assumption of able bodiedness, I guess you would say. And I want people to realize that anyone can do this. You don't have to be what society we consider able bodied in order to be spiritual or to engage in spiritual things. And actually historically, it was more common for people who had what we would call disabilities, things like being deaf or being blind or perceiving the world differently to be very spiritual and closer to certain things like fairies or angels or any of that. And that's not something I see discussed in books a lot myself. So it was something that I wanted to mention. And I did talk to a variety of my friends who deal with different particular issues, whether it's hard of hearing, deaf, very poor vision or blind, and found that some of them, when they do journeywork or spiritual meditation work, in that work, they do not have the same physical limitations or abilities. So I have talked to people who are now deaf or hard of hearing who used to be able to hear that find in journey experiences and guided meditations that they will get audio messages. Talk to people who are blind now, but we're not always that find in guided meditation and journey experience that they can see. And I've also talked to people who find that when they do these things, they do still have those limitations. But those limitations don't affect how they can do that work. Like you can do a spiritual journey to a fairy queen, for example, or any other kind, even if you are deaf or are in a wheelchair or have any of these other issues. You just, when you do the work, have to sort of adapt it so that it works for you. So like if you're doing a guided meditation, and they're talking about walking up a hill and you're in a wheelchair, you just have to, in your own mind, put it into the context that works for you. Yeah, and I'd like to mention, because in one of your other books that I read, you make it very clear that when one crosses over and they're asked to do something by a fairy, whether it's a kiss or will you do me this favor, there are many ways they can ask us for things. So talk about that a little bit, because I think that's important for people to hear that they go in with discernment. Oh, yeah. And I love that you phrased it that way, because I think discernment is exactly how we need to look at it. When we're dealing with fairies in particular, we're really just dealing with, think of them like people, of course, that have a very different culture. So whereas, in our culture, in the United States, for example, we have certain assumptions when you meet someone, how it's appropriate to greet them, what it's appropriate to say. We understand what sarcasm is generally, things like that. And with fairies, it's completely different.  Sarcasm doesn't work well, because if you say something but your intention is that you're saying it meaning the opposite, sarcasm, they're going to take whatever you say. So that took me a little while, because I admit, like I was very sarcastic as a teenager. Unsurprisingly, most teenagers are sarcastic, I think. But I had to kind of unlearn that and be like, OK, when I'm dealing with these beings, I can't do things like that, because they're going to take whatever I say as I say it. You want to be careful about not promising things, because that's another thing like in our culture, at least where I am in the United States.  And then if something comes up, it's not a big deal to be like, oh, actually rain check, whatever happened, I can't go. You cannot do that with fairies.  It's like a promise. Even if you don't specifically say like, I promise, I'm going to do the thing. If you say it, that's kind of how they're going to take it. So you have to sort of just learn to watch how you're saying things. And I find it helpful if you just sort of try to remind yourself they're going to take everything literally. And it takes a little practice to sort of get into it. And you'll make mistakes. I definitely made a lot of mistakes, especially when I was younger. But eventually you kind of get to understand sort of that culture, that different approach to things. And same thing if they say I'd like a kiss or I'd like to marry you. Yep. Yeah. And this is where it gets really fun with them because they do like semantics. So they can say I want to kiss. And they might just mean they just want to kiss. But they can also sometimes mean other things that are kind of implied with that. So that's another thing with discernment that I'll tell people. You have to kind of be curious.  Possibly. But more along the lines of like sometimes there will be a deeper meaning. Like I had talked to a woman. This was at an event that I was teaching at. And we were just talking after the class I'd done. And she was telling me about some of her experiences with Ferries. And she mentioned that she was in a really bad place at one time, very heartbroken. Long-term relationship had just ended. And the Ferries had kind of come to her and been like, well, we can help you with this. We can make it so that you're not sad about this anymore. And she almost agreed. But then she kind of had a moment where she realized who she was talking to. These aren't like angels, for example. And so she said no because she came to see that what they meant was they would just take away her ability to feel sadness. And then she just wouldn't feel sad. And to them, like they didn't mean any harm or whether it wasn't malicious, but to them that fixes the problem. So sometimes with things like that, you just have to be a little cautious in how they're saying things. I guess it's a better way to say it. Because they literally meant we will make it so you are not sad anymore, like at all, ever. And she didn't want to live that way because sadness is healthy at times. So things like that, you just have to be cautious. And if you're meeting a fairy in a meditation or a journey and you ask them, will you help me? And they say, well, I won't do you any harm. They're not actually saying they're gonna help you and they're not saying they're gonna protect you from other things. They're just saying they personally won't hurt you. So you just have to be careful because a human saying that would be a little bit different. There'd be more of an implication of like, yeah, I'll be your friend or whatever. But they really mean what they say. Very little. Yes, yeah. Okay. Oh my gosh, that's so fascinating. Those are great examples. So the queen of Elfland. You say in Scotland, she's called the queen of the Sealy Court. Yes. And she's an especially good fairy queen for all of us to begin with. So what should we know about the queen of Elfland? Sure. So I should say to start that like in Scottish folklore are the words fairy and elf are kind of interchangeable. So she's the queen of fairies, but Elfland is just another word for like the world of fairy, the other world. I just don't wanna confuse anyone who's listening, who's trying to figure out what we're talking about fairies and elves. If they think they're different things, like no, it's they're the same in this context. And there's two courts of fairies in Scottish folk belief. And one of them is the Sealy Court, which is the one we're talking about. And they are sort of the ones that are more inclined to be helpful to humans. They're the ones who are known to like travel around and just be randomly generous and sort of random acts of kindness, if you will, towards humans they run across. And in contrast to them, we have the Unsealy Court and they're the ones kind of like that water, fairy water spirit that I ran into that just generally don't see a lot of use for humans. They're not in the human fan club, we'll put it that way. So those tend to be the ones in folklore that are more malicious and dangerous and you don't really wanna run into them if you can avoid it. So the Sealy Court, the Sealy Queen, the Queen of Elfland, she is sort of the one who is known to be really open to interacting with humans, first of all, and also doing so in a positive way. Like we have a lot of stories of her helping people and particularly of doing things without necessarily always asking for something in return. Because the other thing about fairies, I like to joke that we need like fairy lawyers to help us with them. They're a very like tit for tat kind of group. So they're often like, if they do something for you, they expect something in return. If you give them something and they accept it and they like it, they will give you something in return. It's about keeping that balance. You know, they don't wanna be in your debt and it's generally not a good idea for you to be in their debt either.  So the Queen of Elfland, we see her in a couple of different stories. We see her in ballads. Thomas the Rimer is one. There's another one called the Ballad of Alison Gross actually where there's this man who's been cursed into the shape of a worm. Just kind of random, but that's how the story goes. And he has to just keep circling this tree. That's his curse because he offended a witch and a fairytale, which I should clarify. And the Queen of the Sealy Court rides by one night and sees him and just spontaneously uncurses him just as a kind gesture and frees him from this. So that's sort of the stories that we have about her. And for people who are interested in contacting these beings and engaging with them, that's kind of what makes her the perfect one to start with because we know that she's a little more forgiving and a little more generous and more inclined to be interested in humans and being helpful to humans. As opposed to some of the others. Okay. And what about their court system, the Fairy Queen court system? How, talk a little bit about that and how that operates. Sure. So like I said, in Scotland, we have these sort of two courts. Some people will call them the good fairies and the bad fairies, but I try to avoid that because it's sort of a moral judgment. And it's better to think of it more like the ones who like humans and the ones who don't like humans as much. And they're not either one of them like good or evil or what have you. But it's sort of set up the same way you would think of like a human royal court would be. So you have the queen, at least with the Celia court, there's a king as well. And then you have knights and sort of all of what we would imagine with like medieval royalty sort of going on and then it trickles down to just the everyday, everyday fairies, if we can call any fairies, everyday fairies, but that's specific to Scotland. So when we look at like Ireland, as opposed to these two opposing groups, what we find is just that there's a lot of regional queens and kings as well. So there isn't that sort of some really like humans, some don't like humans as much. It's more just whatever area you happen to be in is gonna have a queen or a king who kind of is in charge of that area. Not like these huge expansive kingdoms like we might imagine, but just smaller, like we might think of counties within a state kind of area over here. And some of them are more inclined to like humans. Some of them are a little less. Most of them though are especially the kings and queens seem to find humans kind of interesting and entertaining. Are there important ways to include for those listening to fairy queens in our life through our physical space? I have personally found for me, what works really well is artwork. Oh, there's a lot of amazing artwork out there. And some of it specific to fairy queens, obviously it's art. So there's something out there for anyone's taste no matter what you happen to like. But I find that maybe it's because I'm a more visual person. When I look at something and it's a depiction of a fairy queen or it's something in that theme, even if I'm just glancing at it for a second, it gets that thought in my head. So I'm always kind of reminded and thinking of it. So it's a good way to sort of have that constant reminder. And the fairies in general and the fairy queens in particular tend to be, I guess what we would call like maybe hedonistic. Like they're very into things that would involve the senses. So, yeah, it's not a painful thing to try. To try to surround yourself with stuff that's gonna connect them, like, you know, scented candles, anything that kind of, you personally would come to associate with them. But they do tend to like things that we might consider luxurious, which I mean, they're royalty. So I guess that would make sense. So I've also found that it works pretty well to have things around me that sort of get me in that frame of mind. Is there a way to protect ourselves so that we only call in benevolent beings? There is, and this I think is one area where fairies being so literal with words can kind of help humans out. So if you wanted to, for example, invite things in, you would never wanna say, you know, I invite in any fairy being that wants to come visit me because that's trouble, asking for trouble. But if you say I invite in any kindly inclined, any goodly inclined spirits that want to be my friends, because of the way fairies are just by their nature and the way they're sort of bound by that literalness, by the semantics and by the words in ways that humans aren't, you're not gonna get anything responding to that that isn't agreeing to those terms, if you see what I'm saying. I love that. Yeah, I actually love working with fairies because I find them so much more straightforward, whereas some other types of spirits can be real tricky in a different sort of way, you know, that other spirits lie, fairies don't lie. They can trick you if you're not paying attention to how things are being said. But I find them, once you get your head around that idea, they're much easier to deal with, in my opinion. And what if we have an oopsie? It's like really just out of innocent ignorance, we offend them. Is there a way for restoration? Is there a way to fix the relationship going forward? Yes, and I, again, I love that you said restoration because that's exactly what you'd be looking at. And this gets into that balance sheet that I was talking about with them, that they like for things to be even. So if you say something that kind of offends them, it basically puts you in a position where you would owe them something. So if you turn around then and give them something and they generally love dairy products, bread, cakes, but we would consider like sweet cakes. So like I find pumpkin bread, for example, zucchini bread, stuff like that works really well. Fresh fruit, fresh vegetables, honey, any of that kind of stuff, poetry, song, they all love music. So any kind of music is a good option. And just be clear that I'm giving this or I'm singing this song or I'm doing this for you as an apology to acknowledge that I messed up or did something I shouldn't have done. And yeah, they're very much about that restorative justice and that'll usually do a lot to fix things. Would that we could use that everywhere in this human world if something goes awry that you can say to somebody, I'm gonna sing you this song as an apology. You can use accept it. I mean, that's really beautiful. I actually, I do wish that in the human world we could do that and be like, I am really sorry, let me sing you. Well, maybe not me, cause my singing points is terrible, but let me recite you this poem and that that would show your remorse in a way that people would be like, all right, I understand, I accept your apology. Yeah, how special that they can receive like that. So let's talk about a few of the gods and goddesses of Pagan Ireland, pick out of maybe one or two and share some history, some mythology, some symbols, especially if these gods or goddesses are active in the world today and the gods or goddesses were powerful forces who can bless us or challenge us. Yes, definitely. Well, I'll start with a couple that are also connected to the world of fairy since that's kind of our wider topic too. So one particular God who, he used to be a little more obscure, but he is definitely gaining a lot of popularity. So I would say very active in the world today, his name is the Dagda. And it just in Irish, it just means the good God and good in the sense of like, he's good at everything, does everything well. And he is sort of connected to particularly ideas of like abundance and prosperity and protection. And you can kind of see why people like him so much. He's supposed to have a cauldron that is always full of delicious food that nobody goes hungry from, you know. So he's a good God, it's his name suits him. He's also said to be the king of all of the fairies of Ireland. So while we have like these individual regional kings and queens like I talked about earlier, he is supposed to be like the king who's in charge of everybody, kind of over everybody else, according to the mythology. He is the one the story say, when humans first came to Ireland and the gods sort of went into the fairy hills and then joined with the fairies. Initially the crops wouldn't grow and the cows wouldn't give milk and it was kind of a disaster until the humans went to the Dagda, to this particular God. And they sort of made friends and made this deal that the humans would give a portion of the crops, a portion of the crops and a portion of the milk in order to have abundance. And then everything was happy and everything was good. And that's actually continued till today. People still believe that, although now it's the fairies that get a portion of things. So yeah, he's a popular one. Everyone should look him up because he's super fun too. He's got some- How do you spell his name? D-A-G-D-A. Ah, Dagda. Yep. And the artwork for him is usually fun too because he's kind of described as being this sort of big, kind of beefy.  So he looks sort of friendly and like he would be a fun guy to hang out with. And that's sort of how he is in his stories too. So- How do you know all of this, Morgan? Is this like you're just incredibly well-educated and red or have you traveled to their lands so often that they've schooled you, they've taught you? How do you come by this incredible wealth of, I could throw any question at you and you're always right there. And the information is fascinating. So you're like an Akashic record, library of all things fairy and elemental. So what- Thank you. Where did all this come from? It's a little bit of everything you just mentioned. I do really read a lot and study a lot. I learned Old and Middle Irish, which is the language that the myths were originally written in. So they could read them in the originals because some of the translations get a whole wacky. Victorian translators were really fond of just editing stuff out if they felt it was not appropriate for their Victorian audience. So I've read a lot of that material. I am really lucky to have some very good friends in Ireland that are also super knowledgeable about this stuff and have helped me a lot and taught me a lot about quite a few of these things. I'm trying to John O'Sullivan, Laura O'Brien, Anthony Murphy, all these people who are just really amazingly knowledgeable about these stories and these beings and their connection to different places in the landscape. So that definitely plays a role. And I have been lucky enough to go to Ireland several times. I'm actually going back again in October and to sort of connect to it myself in a more direct way. And I think all of that kind of layers on itself. And help me out because when I read your bio at the beginning, I'm not sure how much I bastardized that word because I really would like to get it right. Priestess of the day Owen Motha, is that correct? Thine Motha, it's Irish and I know Irish is very different for English speakers to look at because it has different grammar and pronunciation rules but it's the Athene, which means people and then Maha, which means good. So good people, it's a name for the fairies. And how did you get, how were you ordained a priestess of the good people? So that's a fun story. So I had mentioned in 2016 when I went to Ireland that I ended up going through this sort of initiatory experience and that had a couple layers to it. It started when I was at Roth Krohen, which is in Tulst in Roth's Common. And I ended up having what I would guess they describe as like a visionary experience. I was in the Cave of Cats on a Gat, which is a place very strongly associated with the Morrigan who's at Irish Goddess. And when I was in there, I'd had this experience where I sort of saw this fairy hall opening up and heard this music. And it's hard to put it into words without making it sound like really trite. But in the moment, it was just a very profound experience for me. And the next night, I was actually at a place that's called Foxca in Athboy in Ireland where they do this huge Halloween festival. And it's this big ceremony with a bonfire and the year that I was there, I think it was like 2000 people were there gathered on this hill and there's storytelling and there's a ritual. And it's just an amazing, amazing thing. And the year that I was there, I had a small part in the ritual where I was asked to sort of invite in the fairies, invite in the good folk. And the woman who was running things, who is herself like just an amazing, amazing person, Gemma McGowan, she is a priestess. And when she was introducing me, she was the one who actually gave me the title of priestess of the fairies, priestess of the Ishii. And that was sort of the moment where everything kind of gelled for me. There's a lot of other things that were going on too. I don't wanna like spend the entire team of our time talking about just this, but so she was the one who kind of spoke it into being. And they recognize you in the other world as a priestess of the good people. Yeah, yeah, it's sort of my purpose here. There's a different word for it in Irish, but the closest best translation for my use in English should be priestess. You know, it's sort of my purpose here at this point is to do what I'm doing here, to help to explain this to people and to talk to people about who fairies are, what fairies are, to sort of bring people back to this older understanding of fairies that's not the sort of small Disney winged sprite understanding of them, which is a thing, of course, that is out there. But for people to see them sort of the way I described the ones I saw in Iceland, like human sized, more human in appearance, able to interact with humans, able to be helpful, able to potentially be dangerous, which is the older and also the more like traditional cultural, I guess you would say understanding of them. You know, they're powerful and they can be very positive if you engage with them in a respectful way. Do fairies have a divine purpose? That is an excellent question. For myself, I would say that they do. I think that like everything else in existence, everything that exists has a purpose in my opinion. I'm sure someone will disagree with me, but in my opinion, I think that they in many ways are sort of a pure embodiment of magic. And I've had the opinion for a while that humans and fairies exist in a sort of symbiotic relationship. I think that they need us. I think that they need us particularly for like innovation and to help them move forward. They tend to sort of copy human culture, but I think that we need them for that spark, that magic, that energy, that creativity. I think that they have that, but we are better focusing that. But we can't focus it if we don't sort of get that from them, if that makes sense. So we each need each other. And what fairies and elementals, what is their connection to children? You know, a lot of people have wondered about this for a long time. And I don't know that there's any obvious clear answer. My personal theory is that children exist in a sort of pure state of belief. You know, as we get older and older society, the people around us sort of take that away from us and teach us that we have to be rational and that if we have a strange experience, we have to explain it away, even if there's no real explanation for it. Like the doctor with my child's x-rays, there is no explanation for that, but it's easier for him to decide that it is some sort of repetitive x-ray mistake or something like that than to believe that it's something you might call miraculous, you know, in this case, fairies, but children don't have that filter. You know, children, if they look out and they see a fairy, then they're gonna say, I see a fairy.  You know, maybe I've had too much coffee today. So, you know, I'm seeing things. Children just accept the experience for what it is. And I think that that then tends to attract those beings because there's an awareness that this is someone who is not gonna try to explain it in a way.  Children have such an innocence. I mean, they believe in all of this. It hasn't yet been indoctrinated into them to disbelieve in what they're actually seeing. Yes. Imagine they have an ability to even interact. Yeah, it's really common, actually, for children to have encounters and to talk about encounters far more than adults. There was a fairy census that was online where people would write in and describe fairy experiences they'd had. And someone had kind of gone through and looked at all the material and realized that, you know, 30 to 40% of the accounts were from people who had had the experience as children. And, you know, I think to me at least that says that because children are more open to these things, they're more aware of them. They remember them. You know, they don't dismiss them. It's that, like you said, it's that innocence, that purity of spirit and the fact that they just accept it. They don't try to find another explanation when they see something that, you know, rational, in quotation marks, rational adults would say, oh, that's not possible. You know, you can't see a giant moth that has the body of a man.  You know, adults find explanations to justify why that didn't happen. Children are just like, no, that's what happened. That's what I saw, you know? And I think that's a beautiful thing, honestly. Oh, I like this explanation you gave because it makes me wonder when you give these descriptions to moth and as the story where you saw the fairy, the woman fairy, what is the nature? What is the physicality of the fairy people? So this is the interesting thing about fairies. And this is another thing that kind of differentiates them a bit from some other types of spirits. They exist in this sort of middle nature, and I'm quoting Reverend Robert Kirk here because he wrote about fairies in the 17th century, but he had some brilliant things to say. They have the ability to be physical. They can physically interact with people. They can be physically present, but they also have the ability to be incorporeal and they seem to be able to control sort of how present they are in our reality, in our world. And we have a lot of stories about this actually. There's one from Germany of a fairy woman and elf woman who came through a wall, passed through the cracks in a wall and then became physically solid and became the wife of the man who was living there, had four children with him, and then one day just turned around and disappeared the way she'd come, became insubstantial and left. I don't know, maybe she decided after a while she didn't want to stay married to him. I don't know, it's a fairy equivalent of divorce, but we have these stories like that that sort of talk about how they can do things that humans can definitely not do. Walk through walls, pass through keyholes, all of these things, but they can also be tangibly real. So it's really fascinating to me. And is there something you do, Morgan, on a daily basis that is a ritual or a practice for you with the fairies, whether that's engagement or not, but how do you show up and what do you do? I mean, for me personally, one thing that I like to do is take at least like five minutes every day and just try to find a quiet space. As I've mentioned, they do have children, so sometimes that works more than others, but try to find a quiet moment and just take five minutes and sort of go into like a meditative breathing where I'm counting my breaths and just really let my mind rest on them. I don't know how else to explain it. Like let myself think about them as they are without sort of trying to process any of it. I guess it's sort of the same way anyone doing sort of meditative practices, you might contemplate like a flower or a tree or a flame or to just sort of sit with that. But I find for myself that helps me continue to feel sort of connected to this, to the energy of it and to remind me that it's there along with the artwork. So I know people can go to Amazon if they spell your name right, D-A-M-I-L-I-E-R, Morgan is the first name. They can also go to johnhuntpublishing.com for your many, many amazing books, but you also mentioned that you had been teaching and I know you speak everywhere and I've seen you show up in other things that I'm on newsletters for. So somebody who's interested would like to hear you speak, follow you a little more, where can they go, what's possible? Sure, I do have a Facebook page, Facebook author page, I have a Twitter, social media, it's inescapable, but it's useful. So I'll post there when I'm gonna be doing things like this or when I'm teaching. I do teach classes to the Irish Pagan School, which is an online school. Obviously my main classes are about fairies, different topics related to that, but that would be a good way for people who are looking for my teaching to go to. And then when I do random classes or random things like I mentioned in October, I'm gonna be in Ireland, I'm going to a sci-fi and fantasy convention called Octocon to talk about my novel, which you were holding up earlier, which is coming out next year. So stuff like that I would talk about on my social media so that people were aware sort of of what I was doing. Okay, excellent. I'm pretty sure we are connected on Facebook. I'm gonna make sure to note to self because that's important. Yeah, we should be, absolutely. This novel Morgan's talking about this coming up, man, I can't wait. I have to read a lot of self-help for the guests who come in my show, but to like deep dive in, I mean, oh my God, I could already feel the vibe of this. Yummy, I love the picture, done. So there's that. And then if you really resonate, again, you can look up her books and there's something for everybody. The one we talked about today, Fairy Queens, Pagan Portals. This is this particular book. And of course, if you love what you shared, she shared, you can understand, she's a prolific writer. Morgan, I loved having you back on again. So much, thank you for sumptuous conversation. Thank you so much for having me back. It was really great. Amazing. I end today's show with this quote, believe in the fairies who make dreams come true. Believe in the wonder, the stars and the moon. Believe in the magic from fairies above. They dance in the flowers and sing songs of love. And if you just believe, oh, the dogs like this. And if you just believe and always stay true, the fairies will be there to watch over you. Next week, please tune in again to this number one transformation conversation. Subscribe to the Dare to Dream podcast, sorry, but my dogs, all three of them, clearly know something's going on because there's nobody here. So subscribe to this and please leave us comments. We love reading about it. My guest next week is, interestingly enough, Irish. Siobhan Nicolaou, who's an expert in the field of alchemical transmutation and offers global soul readings. You will want to be here for that. Thank you guys so much for tuning in. As you can hear, there's help everywhere. There's relationships everywhere with the other worldlies just use discernment and do it properly and you could have an adventure of a lifetime. I adore you all and thanks for joining us.


So this is a case of a gymnast. So this is a very classic Pete's MSK case. It's called the gymnast's wrist. And the reason I'm showing this is to remind you to talk about the mechanism of injury, because the mechanism of injury is very, very revealing about why they get this injury at the wrist, why they get certain injuries in the shoulder, why they get certain injuries in the knee, because the mechanism is all the same. So once you know the mechanism, you'll be awesome. So let's pretend that this is our cartoon diagram of our distilled radius. And there's a gap here. And here is our epiphysis. And this gap is going to be cartilage. That's going to be feisial cartilage. The feisial cartilage has three important components that you have to pay attention to.


I'm Tom Handel with another CTN member highlight, and today we're here with Liz Stout, the board chair of Kids First. Thanks for joining us, Liz. Thank you for having me. I understand there's a conference coming up for professionals, but before we get into that, could you describe a little bit about what Kids First is all about? Well, Kids First is a great organization. I feel really honored to be part of it. They started about 15, 16 years ago, and they provide services to families, to children, and to professionals who are wrestling with some of the difficulties of divorce and separation. How do you do that? What kind of programs do you have? Well, we have groups for kids where they can go and they do arts and crafts type projects. It's not therapy or anything like that, but it's just sort of a support group for kids to talk about their feelings and get some support around that. We do educational classes for parents, a general class for parents going through divorce, and then if they have continuing difficulties, they're sort of higher level classes. And we provide support for professionals in the community through workshops. We have a bunch of free evening workshops, as well as this fall conference, which is a big event for us. It seems like sort of a little bit of a unique program or organization to address. How did they come about? What were the reasons for that? Well, it's interesting. There were professionals in the community who were really wrestling with some of these conflicts and families and trying to minimize the damage to children as their parents went through divorce and separation. And it really was an alliance between legal professionals on the one hand and mental health professionals on the other. And they realized we really need to work together to try to help folks get through some of these difficulties in a way that's less damaging to kids. I would imagine that sometimes parents, or there might be a difference between the two parents on how receptive they are to receiving services like that or their kids. Have you noticed over time that changing at all? Well, it certainly happens that there may be one who's more receptive than the other. But either parent can make changes that are going to be helpful to kids. It doesn't necessarily require both to be exactly on the same page. We're often not on the same page. Now, this program that you have coming up is actually for professionals. Can you tell me a little bit about it? Yeah, we have our annual fall conference, October 25th. And we've had a lot of different kinds of topics brought in speakers, national speakers to talk to the community. Our conference this fall, I'm very excited about, we have a number of panels. We have guardians I'd like them. We have mediators, mental health professionals, lawyers and judges who are all going to talk about how do they help people get from no way to okay? How can they unlock that conflict and find something that everyone can live with and move on with their lives? And it really takes an approach from various angles to help people achieve that. So we're really looking forward to it. Yeah, it seems like people might not always think about it, but when you get into a situation of divorce where there's children involved, there's so many other factors that come in and so many other people involved. It seems like it's a unique experience to get them all together at the same time. Right, right. Well, we're very lucky to have support from these various areas of our community. And people who work in this field really recognize that we have to work together. People need assistance from those various areas. They need a lawyer. They need a therapist. They need a judge who understands what's going on. Sometimes it seems also that sometimes parents and those professionals, especially on the legal side, get into conflict with one another. How do they address that sort of thing? We're very lucky to have a community where many people are really dedicated to trying to make this work and to help families. Yeah, people can get caught up in difficulties, but oftentimes they're able to take a step back and say, wait a minute, we need to address this in a healthier way. So where's the conference and when is it going to be held? It will be October 25th. It's at the Hereseekit up in Freeport, which they have an amazing facility and an amazing lunch. And it's an excellent networking opportunity as well. So it'll be Friday the 25th. I think we start at 8 and go to 3.30. And where can people go to get more information? The Kids First website, it's kidsfirstcenter.org. They have all the information there. Great. Well, thank you very much for joining us. Great. Thank you, Tom. Bye. Bye.