So may I just ask a quick question? Yes. I completely realize sometimes, you know, some towns need priority, take priority, and a rep or a senator needs to advocate for that. But in any way, are we representative somebody being put on the back burner? How was that kind of determined? I'm sorry, who would be put on the back burner? Well, another town in some way, in terms of what Bedford's getting. Maybe repeat what exactly is happening in the town of Bedford. Okay, my under, and I don't know the exact situation, but my understanding is that there is a... Hello. Are you there? There has perhaps been a proposal. I don't know if Chuck can answer it because I don't know the exact situation. Okay, but what this basically does, town or not, it's similar to everything else we've done for towns, recognizing that some towns have enough broadband access to do Zoom meetings and public meetings via Zoom, and other towns are less gifted. And we have given towns extensions to almost everything, regardless of which town asks for it. Got it. I don't think we should get into the specifics. It's going out to all towns. It just gives every town the right to request an extension on the time that they have to get back. And I assume that, Ellen, this is, is this one just the COVID emergency? Yeah. One that is just during this emergency. The ability to put up temporary facilities is any emergency. So if there's a hurricane or an ice storm or other things, then that's for any emergency. It's forever. This one is COVID specific and it is similar to what we've done almost everywhere else. Right. Allowing towns more time, allowing them to do things remotely. So that's, I think, regardless of which town got a letter in saying, we can't do this in this timeframe. Thank you. I respond directly to Senator Campion's question. I don't believe that it disadvantages any towns. Yeah. That's the same opportunity for all. It's not where anything gets placed. No towns getting put on the back burner. Okay. All right. Okay. So section two was existing. That's the report on 248 criteria. No changes there. We agree on the report. Yes. Well, we knew you'd like that. Yes, that's progress. Okay. So then going to section four, which is where I think both of our committees have gone round and round and round. Yep. And so what we really focused in on was what is it exactly that we want to know? We want to know when there's a failure of connectivity. And it doesn't really matter what the cause of it is. We want to know if people do not have the ability to call 911. So rather than talk about backup power or subscribers versus the providers backup power or anything like that, we said if there's a lack of connectivity due to the telecommunications provider's network failure, if your system is failing, you need to report it. One question that I asked did show that there are still, it's not a perfect solution still. I asked the question. So if, and I'm picking providers at random here, but if a VTEL tower loses its backhaul, that the backhaul was actually owned by First Light, I said, who is responsible for reporting that? And the answer was perhaps nobody because it's not VTEL's network failure and First Light isn't failing their customers. So that's an area where this ambiguity continues to surface, it's not entirely resolved. But we felt it was getting away from talking about what the failure has caused by and having a long list of qualifying things to just notify us of a failure in your network. That's what we're looking for. I think we were looking for the same thing. Let me say the backup power, that was also a town-specific request. Yes, it was. It probably took longer than anything else in this bill. The question, I think we all wanna know when there's an outage. The question was, what is it reasonable? How long an outage and how long do you have, how big an outage? The thing was thus, it was a half an hour and something blows off a tower, it takes a half an hour to get a truck up there. You fix it, 10 minutes and it's fixed. By the time it's reported, it's fixed. And there are, for the national reporter, for the local guys should pick up the phone, you call 911. For the national people, they didn't have a system set up for that. They are set up for the national system. And I believe we delayed our start time because California is looking at making the reporting for the national carriers more granular. And rather than have Vermont be an outlier, we thought, as we frequently do, we'd ride California's coattails. Since they have a lot more people than we do. So, that's. And this is, so we were silent on what those thresholds should be, whether they should be California's thresholds or whether they should be Vermont specific and leaving that to the E911 board who stated. But they've already put out a rule. They put out a rule which has not been passed. Right. Because it's been waiting on this bill. Right. But their thresholds were clear. They're preferences for the thresholds. It's gotten clearer, yes. And the 25 subscribers for 30 minutes is an existing threshold for the old copper-based landlines. And so what E911 board was doing was extending that rule to all telecommunications rather than having different thresholds based on different technologies. I think one of the questions that we looked at at the time was at least from what we heard from some of the larger providers who are using the federal standard is that this will require the creation of a standard that is unique to Vermont among the States. And there's a cost associated with that. Now, we can certainly make large providers pay costs if we're getting a benefit from it on the one hand. But on the other hand, there's the potential of those costs should rightly be passed on to Vermont ratepayers if that's the case. In my mind, one question is, well, once we get the information, what are we gonna do with it? Having the information is great, but if there's nothing that you can do with it until we've thought that through, that's one potential problem. And given where we are with COVID and so on, the likelihood of our moving extremely quickly is not great. The second question is the California provision as I understand it goes into effect on July one of this year. And so we will have something to look at pretty quickly. So one question, at least across my mind is in the house's proposal, it was to take the date to September 30, 2020. And how would the house feel about simply extending that to July one, 2021, we will have the ability to look at the California standard and determine whether or not that's something that we can do right away anyway. I don't feel that I can speak for the committee on that, but our thinking on the September date was that that would give time for the E911 board to modify and reintroduce their rule, time for all car to respond. And then that rule gives the telecommunications provider six months to achieve the reporting standard. So it's not something that they would have to start on September 30th, but it gives them time to implement a strategy to reach that. And I think that if it became evident that they could not do that or if there were prohibitive costs, within that six month window, the legislature would have time to look at this again, January, February or March of next year. Said September, 2020. Correct. So the E911 board shall submit their proposed rule by September 30th. And then the rule says that from the date the rule is adopted, providers have six months to meet those reporting requirements. One of the possibilities, if we can't reach agreement on this, since I think we all agree the 248A extension has to happen. Does it? Is that everything could get stripped out, except that. Because I just, we wanted to do a committee of conference. We were told things wouldn't make it through by July 1st, if we did that. So we're trying to make sure that what has to go through goes through, but we've got a couple of new proposals here that we haven't seen. And I think we need to, and we've got very little time. So we're going to work on it and try and get it done. But that is a possibility. I would like to see a committee of conference personally. And I believe that. That was my first instinct. That we could all sit down, but I was not encouraged by leadership to do that. So we're working this out this way. It's true that the must pass piece of it is the 248 a sunset. Yeah. If we don't pass, other parts of it are, can be sacrificed if necessary. But what I would hate to see- We'll work on those in August, but July 1st is the drop dead. Yeah. But I would hate to see the E911 rule just hang in definitely as well. So, yes. Okay. Committee, any questions at this point? Mr. Senator, I'm sure you heard from leadership. I'm sorry, go ahead Senator MacDonald. It's the industry has been asking for the extension of the sunset, right? Yes. Oh, the sunset dies. The way the 248 a is the expedited way to put up holes and wires. What we've been told is if we don't extend it that every pole and wire we put up or cell tower will have to go through Act 250, which means if we want to get broadband out with COVID money before the end of the year, we've got a real problem. That was the issue that- Well, we've been, it's been suggested. The industry wanted us to just do away with the sunset altogether. Right, and I'm shocked, right? But we've been, it's been suggested that the reporting is gonna cost some more money to the owners of cell towers and it's troublesome. I gotta, you know, I understand there's a cell tower that being proposed in Chelsea that isn't- You've got two different issues confused, Senator. The 248 a is one thing, the reporting outages times is another. And when cell towers fail to communicate, the bill would require that notification be made. So fire departments or schools or whatever- No, to the 911 board. So 911 is unavailable when the tower goes out. Right, so they have to report it to 911. The problem is once 911 knows, there's nothing they can do about it except tell the fire department, watch for smoke up there. I mean, there's no way the local EMT knows I'm having a heart attack in my house if I can't call even if they know my cell phones out. This was for our information. We wanna know how much of a problem we have with outages, but the solution is a duplicate system which could be very expensive. So this is basically- Well, I was bringing up the notion, Senator Chair, of duplicate systems, because my understanding is that AT&T is proposing a tower in the Chelsea area and not doing the co-location that our policies call for. And maybe Chuck will tell me that I'm wrong because I'm often wrong, but talk about duplication is the same companies that are worried about duplication on the issue of nickels and dimes are perfectly free to duplicate when it gets into hundreds of thousands of dollars. I, you're losing me, Senator. Whether, if actually it would be better for 911 if they weren't co-located because if one tower went down, there'd still be another tower. Two shades. Okay. I mean, the problem is they're all on one tower and when that one tower goes down, everything goes down. So that's, you know, and it's, we're trying to figure out a way. First, we need to know how big a problem we've got. Then we have an idea of maybe what it's worth to fix it. But this is right now, the reporting is information gathering. And just to be clear, the E911 board is doing the rulemaking because they were instructed to do so in Act 79 last year. So that instruction is still hanging over their heads. Yeah. Well, I think that's when we first started getting information that it did go out. It went out in some places with some regularity, but we didn't know how much or how often. And I think that's what we're trying to find out is, is this an issue? And does some other tower pick it up? Well, on my cell phone, maybe another tower picks it up. There's been stories about that or other fire departments getting the call. But, okay. So Madam Chair. Any other questions? Senator Campion. Thanks. So if we're not gonna have committees of conference, it sounds to me that perhaps the most important part of this amendment from the house's side is section four. Is that accurate? Good. So I would say that the number one priority, as your chair identified, is sure something with the sunset. Yeah. And then the next one would be the clarification in section four, that allows in 911 rulemaking to be completed. Okay. Thank you. Okay. And we could ask for a committee of conference. I thought having us all sit down in the same room and have this discussion might work. I was discouraged from asking for that. Okay. So we're taking testimony. And hopefully we can work that out. But we have a break out room on the side. Yeah, I know.  Sounds like the non bank bank. You can have a non committee of conference. Right. I think they're really just the leadership is discouraging committees of conference on all sides, given that most things, all things important are supposed to be finished up in the next two weeks. And committees of conference can drag on. So I said, we would give this a try. If it gets really bogged down, we can ask for a committee of conference. And at this point, it looks like we might have to take a Saturday or an evening to all sit down and. Have actually Saturdays are starting to get filled up. So. That our differences on this are at all substantial. I think they're relatively minor. And I think that, that, that a discussion, whether in the formal committee of conference or an offline discussion. Might be able to resolve the major differences. Although, you know, we have to obviously. You know, talk about them as a committee. But I just sense it with that far apart at all. Yeah. I think. Yeah. I thought I heard Senator Brock volunteering to be an embissary. To the house committee for us. My connection could be shaky. Okay. He might be. No, I mean, there was. Senator column or to be a referee. There you go. We get, now there are several new sections in here. And they were new to us. I think today we're just trying to figure out. What they mean. I don't know that we disagree with them or not. There was some concern about that. You know, do it giving emergency powers, but then giving the town twice as long to. To respond. But I think we've gotten that. You know, that information. So we'll see where it goes. Well, and I'm certainly happy to, to come back as is helpful. Participate in any way. In any way. Whether it be a. A breakout room. Or further committee discussion. With a referee. All right. I'm going to go on to commissioner Tierney. Okay. Commissioner. I gather. That emergency power was. At the request of the department. That's about it. I guess my concern, I actually said, it might work for your barrage balloons. Because they're temporary. But. I can't see someone putting up a tower. I suppose maybe a cellular. And in this, you know, maybe something attached to a poll for that. I don't know. I really haven't had any testimony on the northeast kingdom project. But it keeps getting referenced. So maybe you can. Tell us what that is too. Thank you, madam chair. I think you've pretty much put your finger on it. This is intended to help in an emergency. It's a regulatory gap that exists right now. And I think that's a good point that is. And I think the manager said. There is a comparable provision for. Transmission and distribution utility facilities. Under emergency conditions, but nothing for telecommunications. And what I had anticipated. When the. Covid emergency looked as like it was going to. Result in an order for people to stay home. The city of And so in March. I had suggested to the administration that we try to get something going to close this regulatory gap. And the language that you have in front of you today. Is very much a product of a lot of hard work that house energy technology did. Over the course of a couple of Friday afternoons. There's no regulatory clarity. There's no regulatory clarity. There's no regulatory clarity. There's no regulatory clarity. There's no regulatory deployment of towers. But there are a variety of. Infrastructure elements that can be deployed. Rapidly and temporarily. Where there's no regulatory clarity that they can be deployed right now. Without some input from the PUC. So this language. Creates that clarity. One of the things I encountered when I put out the. April 10 call to action to the utilities. And the other thing that I did have in mind. In my opinion. Emergency telecommunications was the uncertainty about whether they could put up a poll. For instance. In order to site. Radio or the like. Or an antenna or. Or. Infrastructure of that nature. And there was some reluctance to proceed without that regulatory clarity. On the industry side. And Chuck Sturro can speak to this better than I can. if not a declination, to proceed rapidly with tower deployment if there wasn't some means of ensuring that in due course what was done under emergency circumstances could be reviewed for permanent siding. So in my opinion, the work that House Energy Technology has done is necessary work but it's not a big step. It's closing a gap that exists in our statutory framework. And to be clear, the extension that I was confused about earlier pertains to protecting towns when a carrier seeks a 248a cpg during an emergency. And that's different from seeking to site emergency. Okay, all right, that makes it clear. So someone's going through the regular process precisely 248a. This would allow the town precisely going through the normal not the emergency process to have longer to get everything together. Okay, and that makes it more in line with everything else we've done. That is COVID specific. Exactly. And as I remember now, that wasn't anything we were discussing when I was visiting with House Energy Technology. So I got my wires crossed and I apologize to Representative Chestnut Tangerine for breaking in on him like that. I did not mean to do that. In any case, I'm happy to answer questions for the committee about this. That's why I asked to testify today in case you had any questions. My heart sank when you said that the only must pass piece of this bill is the sunset provision. I can of course see why the committee sees it that way. But from my perspective, as you well know, Madam Chair, the window for expending COVID money is rapidly closing. And this is a tool that would be helpful for us to have in the toolkit. I'm not in a position to speak to the details about the NECA project, except to say that it is something that has come together rapidly to help a lot of students in the Northeast Kingdom. It's been a shuttle diplomacy effort courtesy of Velco and the department and the Northeast Kingdom wireless folks. And it's very promising, but it may require the deployment of a pole here and a pole there to get it off the ground. And so this provision today would help with that. Right on in there with it. Well, the 248 just expedites the process of getting any pole up for the next three years. But to do this emergency power, we really would need both. I think, but yeah, during this emergency, you probably write the ability to put up emergency. Like an extended pole, say a pole that's above 50 feet, for instance, or a monopole that goes up a significant altitude. Those are the kinds of emergency things we're talking about. And the other, the 248A versus 250 thing, I should add that the department supports that as well, the sunset piece, because I think the the progress that we have made in deploying telecommunications infrastructure in the state has largely been owing to the efficacy of 248A. So to have that die at this point would not be a good thing. And I think Mr. Fable will speak to the issue too, if you ask him. Okay. Anyone have questions for the commissioner? You have questions for the commissioner, Senator McDonald, or are you not hearing something? I know I was having a little trouble hearing the commissioner. No, I had trouble hearing you. Me. No one has trouble hearing me. Okay. It's technical. It's technical. It's not you. Okay. All right. Any questions at this point for the commissioner? Okay. Thank you. Next on my list, I've got Chuck Storrow. Charles Storrow. So Chuck, it's yours. Thank you, Madam Chair and committee members. Chuck Storrow, Lee and I in public affairs here on behalf of AT&T, here to just give you our client's reaction to the House's changes to S-301. So I'm going to be referring to the House's version of the bill. Okay. In section one of the bill, the House shortened the extension of 248A sunset from five years to three years. As the committee will remember, I was arguing that the sunset should be repealed altogether and the statute should be made permanent. It's always possible to amend or appeal a statute without there necessarily being a sunset in place. So we view the reduction of the extension from five to three years as not being a good thing, but three years has been the track record right along for extensions. We will take what we can get. Three years is pretty good. You know, be happy if the two chambers split the difference and came in with four years, but as long as it doesn't go below three years, we're good. The House also put in, in that bill section one, the emergency waiver language that the department was seeking. And I don't know how much AT&T would take advantage of that. Certainly for one of their larger towers would be probably pretty unlikely because there is always the possibility that if you can't get permitted after putting it up on an emergency basis, you'd have to take it down and the company doesn't generally want to run that kind of risk. But there may be other providers with smaller installations that this would benefit. And since it's not anything that hurts us, we're fine with it. The next part is, yes, the report on the criteria. There's no change there. There's no problem with that. Bill section three in the House's version is this ability of a town to seek an extension of the 60-day pre-filing period to 90 days before a company like AT&T can actually submit an application for a 248A permit to the PUC. It has to have provided a draft of that application at least 60 days in advance of submitting it to the PUC. AT&T routinely extends that period. In other words, it doesn't on day 61 slam in an application more often than not. It's engaged in productive conversations with a town to try and come to an agreement. And if additional time is needed, there's no problem. We routinely will provide that additional time. There was a little bit of concern about it being a sort of a mandatory feature, something that the towns could get because there is a federal shot clock that requires a time limit on the overall processing of these types of applications. But this section does not run afoul of the shot clock. So we have no objection to Bill section three. The main issue from our perspective aside from the 248A sunset is section four in the House's version of the bill. As passed by the Senate, that section instructed the E911 Board to revise its proposed rule and get it back to the car in September with the federal Norse reporting threshold being applicable to wireless providers. The House has taken that out. And presumably that would mean that the Board would just go forward with its current proposal that any outage on the part of a wireless carrier that lasts more than 30 minutes would have to be reported. I submitted a proposal to you committee members. I also gave it to the House committee members earlier today for sort of a middle ground. And this does relate to the California situation. California is working on an outage reporting rulemaking proceeding and they're under a statutory deadline to get that done by July 1. They have taken a round of comments but because of the COVID emergency they have not been able to complete the or they're anticipating that they're not going to be able to complete their rulemaking by July 1. So they have therefore adopted on an emergency basis a rule that will go into effect on July 1. And then presumably after they've considered the comments you know there may be a change in what they're putting into effect to reflect the comments to the extent that the California rulemaking authority agrees with them. So that made me think well what if the E911 Board was instructed to adopt the North Standard as the reporting threshold for wireless carriers but then you'll laugh at this but then that provision is sunsetted on July 1 of next year and by default the rule would then resort revert to what the E911 Board is currently proposing as a rulemaking threshold. And my thought there is is that you know the dust should be settling on what California where it's landing for its reporting rule and that would give if the current E911 Board's proposal is held in abeyance for a year that would give the legislature an opportunity in the 2021 session to take a look at what California did and if there's agreement that maybe what they did would be good for Vermont and then the board would be instructed to adopt that. If the legislature didn't do that didn't take it up then the matter would be on autopilot and the board's standard would go into effect in July of next year. My sort of motive in all of this is that while the wireless industry isn't necessarily thrilled with what California is proposing California is going to adopt something. California is a big state we're not going to lead the market in California because of what it adopts we're going to comply with it and that being the case it would be better for us if we don't have to comply with three sets of reporting thresholds the federal one one for California and one for Vermont it may be that it would be the federal one and then a common threshold that's common to Vermont and in California. So that's the idea I see representative Chesnut Tangerman there I don't know if the his committee has had a chance I doubt they have to take a look at that but I offer that up uh as a sort of middle ground that seems like a reasonable way to proceed to basically give California an opportunity to do its thing and then look at it and then potentially follow it and if that doesn't work out well then Vermont's going to do what it what it's already proposing. I will say that in the grand scheme of things the 248a extension because we are close to July one is important the E-911 provision is important to us but I don't want to jeopardize the section 248a extension over a further wrangling on the E-911 rule if the house is certainly if it's just dug in and it's not amenable to what I'm proposing or anything else that the Senate may come up with. I will say and you'll hear from my colleague Dylan Zick was wiki in a moment there's a fix in the E-911 rule provision for the void provider that everybody's agreed to and if uh in order to make this bill move forward things have to be jettisoned I would respectfully suggest don't jettison that fix because everybody agrees to it and it's actually necessary from a technical point of view. I think what I've heard is the house was interested in being able to get the E-911 rule which I assume contains other things other than this reporting requirement and get it moving. The Senate was concerned about setting up a separate requirement for national carriers and having them have to do something special for Vermont so we were interested in extending in some way until California made a move and then we were told it was more granular than the national move rule and that you know we would look at that and then see if that was something we could latch on just trying to give some consistency. Madam Chair may I respond to that and then we're in a roll call vote in the house. So when we talked about what the threshold should be our committee was was adamantly opposed to the the Norse threshold as as far too broad in Vermont as as Barb Neal said if a tower serves a thousand people and the threshold national threshold is 900 000 user minutes that would mean a tower serving 15 a thousand people would have to be out of service for 15 hours before it would be require reporting which is just nowhere near the kind of we're looking for and so so we were very opposed to the the national threshold looking for something much more appropriate for a rural sparsely populated area. California's proposal was uncertain and the both the at that time the threshold and the limitation the progress of it were uncertain so we thought we would go ahead with our own which mirrored the requirements for the copper landlines. I think our committee would probably be open to a discussion about the California rule that's that's I can't speak for the committee but just um I think we should uh I think we would be open to that. You can ask Ellen if I think Ellen's here I see your name um there she is if you could do a little research for us on the status or basically what is being proposed in California or maybe it's Maria I'm not sure who it's Maria I'm sorry I need to leave okay yes you go vote thank you and I think okay hey one of the issues that I would suggest that we look at if we can and I'm not sure that Ellen will have the ability to do that truck may be able to provide some of the information but my understanding is that when you apply the Nor's rule of how many people are covered by a particular cellular tower it differs depending upon where you are in the country and what the population densities are and you get very different results and so it's not a rule that's simply based on towers but it would be interesting for us to better understand what that would mean in the event that the California rule were applied as to how many people would be covered by a tower in Vermont. Also when a tower goes down whether or not we typically have a single tower or whether we have multiple towers and again whether it be AT&T or one of the other or several of the other providers that's a question that we can ask them. Senator one thing I would like to just mention is that the original legislation from last year was flawed with respect to the issue of VoIP providers reporting. That has been fixed and the fix that the House has made is what everybody agrees should happen. The Board is going to be under the House's version and under the Senate's version too, the Board is instructed to make that fix and submit it to Elkar in September so the rule is going to and I would urge you to stay that course with respect to the VoIP issue so the rule is going to have to come back to Elkar in September anyways. I just want to make that point that it's not going to be able to go into effect or it shouldn't go into effect in July because it needs this fix so I'm happy to answer any questions but I would propose that that the wireless reporting threshold be Norse until next July and then at that time if nothing has changed it would go to what the Board is proposing. All right because right now it is the national there while right now there's no Vermont specific reporting. So it would be maintaining the status quo for a year. Well there would be a little bit of a change because what we're fine with being obligated to file with Vermont E911 Board when we file with the FETS and now we don't even have to do that. Now you don't have to do that okay. We're happy to give you know when we file with the FEDS with respect to a Vermont outage sure we'll file with Vermont. The House didn't think that the federal threshold was clear enough. There's activity in California that would require a fairly granular reporting threshold basically an outage lasting more than 30 minutes affecting half of a zip code so if they're proposing and if that's where they land well we're gonna have to comply with that and it may be that that's granular enough for Vermont maybe not but let's see that's the theory. Okay can you check I think it was Senator Brock who said he understood that there was some variance based on size of the state density is it a one size fits all at the federal level or is there variance? It is one size fits all at the federal level and that's why we think actually Norse is good because it treats urban areas the same as rural areas because we don't know how many people are on any in any given tower it's mobile service so we don't know there's no wire going to anybody's phone so what the federal rule does is you basically take the number of your customers and divide it by the number of your towers and then you say same you know same number of customers is imputed to every tower in the country but it would require for a or would allow for a single tower outage for not to have to report for 15 hours. But doesn't that mean in effect that a tower in an urban area and a tower in the in a rural area are very different in terms of the amount of people involved right and they get that's right senator and but they get treated the same in other words but what it would mean for reporting for us for us it might mean a number that is materially different than a number say in massachusetts or new york and that number of customers would be much much lower right potentially that's right no it's that's that would be likely in terms of actual numbers yes but because we don't know how many people are using a given tower at any time there's this basically this mathematical exercise that just attributes to each tower the same number of people across the entire country. But in fact the number of people on a tower in manhattan it just common sense is not going to be anywhere near the number of tower on that same tower in franklin vermont. I think there'd be way more on manhattan than there is in fact in vermont yes absolutely okay but but i guess my my thought is is that california is going to do something it's a big state we're going to have to comply whether we like it or not and it would just be easier for us that if we have to comply with california that another state that does this have a similar threshold so then we're not you know looking at different that's that's all and and since that's not resolved yet in california i'm proposing give us some have some time before the vermont specific the current proposal kicks in and in the meantime we would provide reports to vermont when we have to provide them to the feds um so that's the idea and i and i did send it to the committee the house committee members this morning and uh you know if they and i could follow up if they're fine with that then good if they're not and and i don't want to cost the bill over this and i think to senator brock's point we may have more towers per capita because of our landscape and we're not Missouri that's big and flat we're vermont so we have mountains that get in the way which require more towers um but yeah you're right so what they do is they take the number of towers and divide it by well so let's say if you have a national standard they say nationally this is how many people yeah if you have a uh a national carrier that has a hundred million customers and i can throw out that 18t has around 140 million customers so a hundred million customers and let's say it has a hundred thousand towers that's 10 000 people per tower regardless of where it is right then you just figure how long does it take 10 000 people to expend 900 000 user minutes that's 15 hours for one power but if two towers are down then you cut it in half three towers are down you cut it by two thirds because 10 000 per tower you know then you got 30 000 people well how long does it take to expend 900 000 user minutes that's that much less so that's why we are doing bigger numbers yeah the norse standard we felt was adequate uh because most of the time it is multiple tower outages but the house did not agree and so now i'm trying to say well if we're going to do something different than norse basically let's see what california does and then either do that or vermont will do what it is currently proposing okay i'm going to get on to dylan thank you and thank you okay dylan thank you very much chair comings um i will be brief so uh for the record dylan's wiki lian on public affairs here on behalf of new england cable telecommunications association or net net this issue is separate and distinct though it's it is also in secret section four of the bill and it's separate and distinct from the wireless reporting thresholds that my colleague chuck was just chatting with you about essentially both the house committee and your committee made some changes to the language in set in section four dealing with the definition of an outage and specifically our requests has been consistent that um an outage be at the reporter that the network level um this allows for uh clear and concise reporting requirements across different um providers whether your retail or concast or charter um and that report that those providers are going to be required to report when they actually know that there is an outage which they are they know when there's an issue with their network so really i think that the house changes provided some additional clarity above and beyond what the what the finance committee provided earlier this year as chuck noted it was agreed to by all parties significantly the you know it was actually suggested by mr gibson from shrewsbury so i think you'll find that there's a consensus on this language and we we feel it works well um from the industry perspective and we'll also ensure that uh we are clear on what we're what we're what we need to be reporting on and any questions dylan i'm not seeing anybody i'm assuming i've got everybody on one screen okay break favor yes that's true yeah i just wanted to check in because it had the public utility commission waving certificates of public good just wanted to give you a chance to speak okay um i just i'm just here to talk about sections one two and three um section one um we continue to support the elimination of the sunset um however as long as there's an extension in place that will work i got to say that the uncertainty surrounding the sunset every couple of years causes a lot of problems for us in processing the applications we get gluts of applications that you can imagine once the sunset approaches and there's uncertainty about whether a news sunset will be imposed or whether the sunset will be eliminated this causes a lot of problems for us but as long as the sunset is um as long as there's some sort of extension of the sunset in place we're okay we'd rather see no sunset at all but um if it's three years five years you know whatever as long as that passes before july 1st that that'll be that's our main our main concern the emergency waiver provision uh put in by the department that's fine we're fine dealing with that the report we're still fine with that uh the the notice period you know we're fine with that so but right now there's an advanced notice what we call an advanced notice period that the um a provider will um it is required to send to the towns and the joiners and all those folks um a basically an advanced um notice of that they're going to file a petition with us the commission within 60 days and that's a minimum of 60 days so they could file they could file on day 61 they usually do not they have up until 180 days to file that a 180 day window which file that application with the commission once they file the advance notice with the town and everybody else um what this does is it says to the town you can seek a waiver on top of that 60 days you can ask for another 30 days to negotiate during the advanced notice period now as as Chuck Storro said um typically the um the providers um they want to have the town on board so they're willing to um take the time to negotiate with the town um however you know that being said I have no problem with this additional 30 days I would like to see and this is more to Ellen and Maria I would like to see a reference to the section in which this notice occurs because there are a lot of notice provisions in the in the in the section 48 a there's a there's an advanced notice period then there's a regular notice period once the once the application is filed there's different notice periods for types of applications so if there could be a reference to 248 a section subsection e that would be helpful if you're going to put that in but that's that's a minor that's a minor change um for section four I don't have any comments on that um and probably wise I don't want to see that one uh so yeah I just want to stress how important it is to get the sunset some sort of sunset pension pass prior to July first I think we're all hopeful we're going to reach agreement yeah but we have two options one is to strip it all out and just do the sunset and the other one is the final option we always have with stick it on the budget yeah either of those are fine with me as you can imagine um so so there you go there there's there's my testimony happy to take any question okay I think we know that that extension has to go especially if we want to get any kind of expansion up with the COVID money if this goes if this goes from a statewide level review to a town by town or for reverts to a town by town review from a statewide level review you're not going to see the pace of expansion that we've had in recent years um it's you're just not so um so there you go I think and that's pretty slow so okay all right so that right now is the uh testimony we've got on 301 is there any other we've got some decision points think about it the big one it sounds like up or down on almost everything except what do we do with the notice period that's going to be the hardest one I assume if we just strip it out then it falls to the rules as they've been put out um or we you know can delay doing anything for a year and leave the federal things in place or we can try setting a separate state standard which I don't know that it makes any difference to the national carriers which separate state standard it's the fact that there's a separate state standard for well for either one of them it's less than 500,000 people probably a couple no maybe not even 100,000 so um we shall go on um unless there's sender Brock you muted just one question in terms of what we've heard today uh the I know from my perspective I don't have any real issue with with much of anything in the bill other than this notice requirement and I wonder if the possibility in sort of an informal conference committee if we could modify section four on the that that the legislative committee on administrative rules to propose a rule on or before instead of September 30 to put it July of one 2021 I think that would satisfy the issues that the carries have raised I think it will keep us on track to get this done it will give us sufficient time at the beginning of the year because I'm hesitant to do it on the basis of six months after September 30th because again with the likelihood of a you know COVID resurgence at the beginning of the year and so on again I think we'd be faced with compressed time frames and the fact of the matter is in terms of what we're going to do with this information which I think is really thing that will drive a lot of that we're not doing anything with it anyway even if we had it it's true yeah this is right now it's information collecting so um sender Brock can you drop me an email with that and we'll see if maybe we can set up a mini meeting via zoom how are you how's your schedule Monday morning I have I have all the time in the world madam chair everybody who's calling me I just want a few hours away from the Brady bunch not that I don't love you all but okay I'll send you know 12 hours a day is starting to wear thin okay so we're going to go on to Lauren glint Davidian and Lauren uh sent us written comments um I told her we were really short because we do need to get um I try and get them out at 3 30 on Fridays I may not make that today but um want to give her some time um the local access bill came to us it was a study we sent it over to uh appropriations because that's where all studies go because they cost money um I know they're trying to find some COVID money in there but uh this is perhaps a little yeah this is a future um so Lauren floor is yours oh you're you're muted thank you thank you so much madam chair and members of the committee I'm Lauren glint Davidian I'm the executive director of cctv center for media and democracy and I also represent the Vermont access network which as you know is a mutual aid society of 25 public educational and government access channels and community centers across the state I wanted to I really appreciate the opportunity to testify I thought it would be beneficial to provide you with a little um insight from someone who's been in the zoom galleries watching the discussion about the broadband emergency funding and how these issues tie together from our perspective both as you consider the house um bill the cares um act relief um funding proposal that is going to come to the senate and also as you look ahead so this is really just um it's an overview but there's also a couple of appeals in here to you directly so um the house looked at the needs of public educational and government access centers through the COVID emergency period and the work that we have been doing to support communities and um they're very generous we think in and insightful to include our operating and staff costs associated to being able to stream and provide technical assistance to municipalities and other organizations and individuals to be able to participate in using online interaction they were not able and they did not see that our capital costs were eligible and it seems that there may be a window to consider those capital costs in the recommendations from the ccg group that they made to you in the cares act relief report that they submitted and you heard testimony on so we would just like you to keep this in mind as you review the bill from the house and the recommendations of the ccg group and perhaps consider helping us to cover the capital expenses related to supporting the community during this time so that is sort of request number one okay so the next thing is that I just wanted you to be aware because this is an ongoing conversation of the impact of COVID-19 on the state's pegged community access centers because um I think it's just important to understand the first is there is a pretty precipitous decline in non-cable revenue that these community media centers are experiencing many of them have started as you know to diversify their revenue through earned income and philanthropy and a lot of those revenue streams which are meant to offset cable revenue declines and also make us healthier organizations we're anticipating about a 75 percent decline in that this year which is about a quarter of a million dollars we also know from the trades and from Comcast's own communications with its shareholders that there will be a dramatic decline in cable subscriptions around the country and we expect in Vermont so we think that that may be as much as 10 percent this year which means about 700 thousand dollars of the roughly 7 million that subscribers pay towards peg access so those are just two points of information that I think are important for you to know in terms of the general context of the funding world for these services the next thing that I just wanted to underscore is we are very appreciative that this committee senate finance voted out our request for a study of how to assess public benefit from the use of the rights of way and as you said madam chair that is in the appropriations committee and they are certainly struggling with many difficult decisions the discussion of broadband and extending broadband to every home in the state or at least to the students the households where there are students that don't have access really raises the issue of the importance of looking for ongoing and regular revenue streams for this kind of public access whether it's public access to equipment and cable lines or to broadband and so we think that S318 is really critical and this study is very very important at this time and we also think that the mapping requirements for mapping where broadband services are broadband infrastructure is actually to be specific is a very important requirement of this period of time it is the only way to have a clear map of broadband infrastructure fiber infrastructure which we do not have in the state we need to have that picture so the decisions about potential policy implications and also where to deploy fiber can be made easily and quickly and then finally I just want to draw your attention this is I think this is just an important point to make which is in the houses bill the get vermoners connected now provision of this coronavirus emergency funding and it talks about line extensions cable line extensions but in the house version in energy and technology the language about the installation of temporary Wi-Fi hotspots or well it in essence the installation of temporary Wi-Fi hotspots to expand broadband capacity was x'd out of that bill and it just really seems very short sighted to exclude this as a solution fixed wireless so I just want you to I just want you to know that it is short sighted to exclude fixed wireless as a way to get broadband to homes across the state and that the line extension solution may get us some of the way but without these Wi-Fi hotspots of high and low frequencies to reach people in different parts of the state we are really I think precluding the options that will help solve this problem and I also you know I understand in the background that there is and this is just completely I'm just going to say it I understand in the background that there is reluctance to do business with VTEL but I think again that any provider in the state should be considered to help us solve this emergency set of issues that we have so they're in and my testimony and I just wanted to offer it to you as you make your way through some of these thorny and sometimes intractable issues thank you any questions for Lauren Glenn okay I am not seeing any so thank you for coming in on this warm afternoon to talk to us thank you so much madam chair okay thank you


From Las Vegas, it's theCUBE. Covering VMworld 2018. Brought to you by VMware and its ecosystem partners. Welcome back to Las Vegas. This is Lisa Martin with theCUBE. We are at VMworld 2018, day one. I'm with Justin Moran. Hey, Justin. Hi, Lisa. How are you doing? Good, this is VMware's 20th anniversary and we're very excited to welcome two new guests to theCUBE. We've got Scott Brendemore, the senior director and U.S. architect team from CenturyLink. Hey, Scott. Hello, how are you? Good, and we've got Jeff Thompson, the senior director of VMware Cloud Provider Program. Welcome. Thank you very much. Hello. So 20th anniversary of VMware. You've been with VMware a long time.  Not just this morning. You guys said you were in here yesterday. Just curious to get your perspective, Jeff, on the buzz and the opportunity that you're hearing. Not just from your customers, but from your partners as well. Oh yeah, yeah. So I remember the first one I went to. Way, way back, even before I joined VMware when I was at Hewlett-Packard. So then it was a little small event back in, I think it was Los Angeles. And now here we are, like 20, something thousand people in Vegas for the end of the year running. So the buzz is amazing. And this year, I think more than ever for us because cloud is just becoming more and more of a focal point and a discussion and topic area for everybody. So the buzz is incredible.  Look at cloud verified and take that to the next step. So yeah, great so far and looking forward to more. So talk to us about, Scott, about the partnership that CenturyLink has with VMware. VMware has a massive amount of partners. I saw a stat this morning on stage. What is it about CenturyLink's offering and VMware that's really better together for end users? Yeah, I think it's really in our approach and how we really listen to our customers and try to understand where they are in their journey and what they need and not just throw a widget at a customer but really design a solution that meets their needs. And VMware having a, you know, flexible architecture and a vision for the future enables us to not only plan to see today, but where we're going. A lot of co-development with VMware, a lot of partnership with VMware, a lot of making sure our teams that operate the environments and my team on the front lines work with customers are trained and ready for the next technology. So I think I've seen a remarkable change in VMware over the last several years in accelerating their road map and working with AWS and a lot of the other partners. So it's refreshing. A lot of our business is private cloud on VMware. We've been a big partner for a long time and the VMware verified is something we hold dear and we look forward to the relationship ongoing. Yeah, so that focus on cloud came through loud and strong in the keynote today and you mentioned it here that private cloud, hybrid cloud, multi-cloud. So CenturyLink has a rich heritage in networking and networking is vital for managing cloud. So tell us a bit more about how CenturyLink's networking skills helps customers to understand how they can manage this multi-cloud universe that I have to live in now. Sure, yeah, and maybe I should even talk about the viewers that don't know what CenturyLink is is they've acquired, I worked for, I've been with the company for 15 years, a company called Savis, but we've made a number of different acquisitions over the years to gain different technology areas, whether it be ERP, whether it be DevOps capabilities in the public cloud, whether it be cloud management platforms, et cetera. And now we see customers, more data is being moved outside of the data center, more data is being originated outside the data center. So customers are really saying, what do I do with all this data? Where do I put my apps? Where do I, I can't put it in my four walls, I want to move it to the cloud. Not every customer is on the same path at the same rate and can accept the change. So I think the biggest thing we do is helping customers manage pieces of that portfolio, but it's not just a takeover kind of old ITO play. It's a co-sourcing kind of play, a co-management model where they may have some skills in one area, but deficient in another, we can help them with AWS for instance. We can help them with the new software-defined V CloudFormate Foundation technology is that VMware is going to as well and bring the network components as well so that a workload that's running on-premise can work and perform just as well off-premise as well by providing that private network connectivity or public network connectivity to those end users as well. Yeah, you mentioned that partnership idea. So I'm keen to understand that the partnership that you can provide is centrally as a service provider. Customers rely on service providers a lot to help them manage their own infrastructure in conjunction with the vendors. So should you tell us a bit more about how you partnership with VMware works for customers? Yeah, I mean we work a lot with, I mean VMware at its roots was a software company so lately selling services and selling services to clients that are not just a software skew in a software package. So a lot of interaction with VMware client teams and doing strategic discussions of some of our key clients about how we can bring them to the next generation and buying a private cloud as a service, right? Instead of just selling them a VMware license and have the customer try to figure it out, right? So how do we get a customer on the same path and working together to do a lot of that together with our clients and really making sure we're a partnership and our sales teams are going out to customers together is a big part of that. Brian. Yeah, I think from our side, Central Link's a strategic global partner of ours so that means several things. The most important thing is we get an opportunity to have more and more briefings together, go deeper on our global strategy as a combined unit so we can look at new technologies that are coming down the pike. You can assess them and decide if there's a customer opportunity there. And if there is, we'll bring our cloud practice team in, we'll look at how we take that opportunity and make it a go-to-market strategy together and then we'll go and do sell with. We'll go out to our field teams, we'll educate them on what the offering is and then VMware and Central Link is co-selling that solution. Yeah, I think a lot of the VMware sellers are, you know, the public cloud threat that they have and the move to the public cloud, you know, how does that still coexist with customers, right? And I still strongly see that there's a lot of legacy apps. You know, we were talking earlier about only 20% of workloads have moved to the cloud. There's still a lot of legacy apps that are on VMware that are their crown jewels that are running their companies, right? They just need to deliver that in a new model and that's where a partner like Central Link can help to move it out of their data centers, to move it into VMware on AWS and help a customer understand what are the right workloads to move there? Do I need to re-platform it? When is it ready? How do I migrate it and how do I disrupt your operations, right? And then manage it if the customer doesn't have the capabilities to do it off their own premise and the skill sets, because it's a totally different mindset managing it off your premise than inside your firewall. Absolutely. So when you're talking to a customer, sort of the outset of an organization that has multiple clouds, maybe driven by application type, maybe driven by that in a combination of acquisitions, where does that business conversation start? Are you starting at the C-suite level? Are you starting there to really help the business owners leaders understand how to extract the power of their data? Tell us a little bit about how do you help them with a multi-phased approach? Sure. So we definitely talk to the C-suite, CIO, whoever's leading the strategy, but it depends on the company. A lot of that's actually done in the line of business, the more innovative lines of business that are transforming their business and have done a first mover. And you hear a lot about shadow IT, where the business is going around IT because IT can't move fast enough, right? So CIOs who are transformative, we're typically working with them. And we're trying to figure out where they are in their strategy. Are they an early adopter? Are they a laggard? Do they not have a strategy? And then understand what are, do they want to take a lot of risk and move quickly? Do they want to do it slowly and not disrupt their business? Depending upon the culture and the risk nature of their organization and what is actually running on the infrastructure that they're going to move, you got to make those decisions. So we call it, in century length terms, my team talks about what's called best execution venue. The ability to, we're agnostic, right? We're obviously a big VMware partner, but we also do resale solutions on Azure and AWS, right? As well as we're a data center provider and we can put it in our four walls on old legacy dedicated server environments as well. So whatever the right venue for a customer is, which is typically going to be hybrid, some on public cloud, some on private cloud, some on premise, some off premise, and even more moving out to the edge that customers want to do workloads in smaller quantities and kind of a dynamic nature spinning up and spinning down, that we work with the clients to figure out what's the right execution venue, cost factor, who's going to manage it, what's the best place to locate it, doesn't need to be secure, govern it as their data sovereign to your compliance regulations on it, right? And then ultimately, how they're going to scale their business and what their vision is to automate as much as possible and standardize it. You heard it today this morning, it's all about automation, right? So how can they automate and how can they reduce the labor, the individual persons on the keystrokes and automate the infrastructure and make it look the same? And I think the software-defined data center model that VMware has is a step in the right direction and there's a big uptake on customers in that environment today. Yeah, we're hearing a lot today, I think, Lisa, for people saying that it's customer choice. Yes. And the ability to automate things, but in the way that I choose to do it, transforming at the speed that I need to do it. It's coming up quite a lot. Sure. Yeah, so maybe you could tell us a bit more from the VMware perspective about how you're enabling that customer choice and we heard a lot about the automation. So how does the automation work with partners and enabling customers to be able to transform their business?  So within our program, it's all about making sure that we give everything that we build for ourselves and our end user customers giving that to our partners. So in terms of Scott and CenturyLink, we give them the tools to go and build the cloud and then set up the automated operations for them to expose their end user customers. And then we also leverage VMware, Cloud and AWS. So we make that available through the program as well. So our partners have choice and flexibility and ease of operations and then they expose that to their customers as well. So it's win, win, win I think there. Yeah, and the key to this morning, it was, you know, SDDC, Software Defined Data Center from VMware was talked about a self-driving data center, right? Yeah. And that's ultimately what we see as well in partnership with VMware that a lot of customers understand that VMware tool sets extending that to a new platform that's software defined and enabling automation that it can ultimately one day drive itself, right? So that customers can automate the deployment of applications and running on something that can be spun up on AWS very quickly. Applications can be migrated over automatically with tools managed. And then no one responding to an alert that a VM or an application's down, it can auto correct itself. And it's really could be automated in the future. So we see that and certainly all the tools and capabilities that VMware puts in place that enable that is something that we subscribe, we use ourselves and we have our customers use it as well. I'm curious what your take is, Scott, on the announcements that Andy Jassy made this morning on stage with Pat Gelsinger. They announced VMware Cloud on AWS a year ago at this same event. There's been a lot of momentum. They talked about the different M releases now going everywhere. What does that, from a partnership perspective, what does that mean to CenturyLink and how do you think that will positively impact our business? Well, we see, so there's two sides of our business. We have a very large obviously networking business and we have a hosting and cloud and data center business. So we see the two of them coming together. Now I talked about the data center dying and everything moving off. How do you network that all together? But customers, we have a very large retail customer in the, I'd say fast food chicken business. I'll keep it at that level. We started off hosting a lot of their critical applications that run their stores and understand what's the best place to put stores and store operations. We also, from the networking side and acquiring level three, they had a lot of the networking capabilities. They now want a single platform to run store operations from a network, from a virtual desktop, from an email, from a order fulfillment, supply chain management, all to be contained in a particular region that you can manage it locally without all the data going back. So the ability to have a software defined smaller component that can run it that can not only have the data center and the cloud components private to keep the data safe and not in public, but also software defined and the network software defined on one platform together with one provider that can manage the whole thing, right? Now you're distributing your data out, the network becomes more important, the performance of the network, the resiliency of it has become more important too, that if that environment goes down, you don't sell any more chicken, right? So that's the biggest thing that customers are seeing is converging of those capabilities together. And I think there's very few providers out there that can speak both those languages and provide both of those to clients today, so. So taking those benefits all the way up from what the infrastructure enables from a constant speed perspective, the board of directors that said chicken chain, what are those people wanting, what are they actually benefiting from? It might be this individual or invisible software, but from a business perspective, how is this going to impact their business? Selling more chicken? Yeah, it's basically they have a strategy to continue to be in more markets. And the more markets they do, the time to set up and deploy infrastructure and have that ready, that's the biggest enabler, right? To have the storefront, to have the store ready, and then all the infrastructure that supports the store, especially now you have people that can order chicken on their phone, loyalty, right? They can place their order ahead of time and pick it up. You don't have to go through a drive-through anymore. Things of that nature, everything becomes digitized in the I want it now generation that we live in today. You know, they need to, that'll accelerate their ability to deliver services to the store and then react to the changes in the market as they happen, everything's digital now. So that's the biggest thing is growth through stores and growth through being able to meet the demands of the stores as they change going forward. So very dynamic. Awesome. Scott, Jeff, thank you so much for joining us on theCUBE. You're now a CUBE alumni. We'll give you some stickers. Stickers, great. Thank you. We appreciate you guys sharing what's new with such a really good VMware. Thanks. Appreciate it. For Justin, more on my co-host. Thanks, girl, thank you. I'm Lisa Martin. You're watching theCUBE from VMworld, Las Vegas, 2018. Stick around, we'll be right back.


It is 33 minutes past the hour owa sasaniwe ni past, amani to, honestly, it's been so long since I've been in school. Hai nani, Karabusana, this is Why In The Morning, so good morning. I hope ma'am ka fiyuti. If not, I hope to naza kusot, at least to kiape kama changam, changam ka. Yes, it is Y254 on Facebook, Y254 channel on Twitter, and our hashtag of the day is Why In The Morning or WCW because we're crushing on our queens. And speaking of which, we have two beautiful queens. Nga watu wana kama laika, I don't know why they didn't give me the memo to say we're two whites. Nikonayo, ikotu ma'pajon, lakini onatu wana kama zewa. Indi okuru di, soko, kuoga na kurudi, soko. Hai. Mu na kapa ni thank you. Thank you. We will end up after this. Don't even worry. It's our Wednesday. God, what's your name? Charity Wangare, a business lady in an actress. Tamoda Ipia, tukotu ako. Ya, that's me. Itabidu. I love how extradition this is. Kiyamka, subwe ukwene confidence. Sawa, you're amazing nani. Ya, people called Charity are always extroverts. She's my namesake, I'm also Charity. Atiyenu, kumundi nona zatindi nya sikwadi. I'm a teacher.  I'm a life coach. And of course I have a very soft spot for politics. We'll talk about politics in a little bit.  Ya, we just talking to young girls and even boys. Ladies and gentlemen on how to be safe while having sex. Because you see the mission to... How do we call it? Telling young girls and boys just to be safe while having it. Because it is there, the reality is that they are doing it. So talk it to suju to abstain. You want to be realistic when you go on the ground. Ya, people are abstaining of course. And other than abstaining, in any case you find yourself in a compromising situation. What do you do? You play it safe. I like her. So... Sijiwin digite a question. Nihon na nenda kwen kuni ambia violence hapa so wet. Ndia liza, sanasa na madem ho discussa agisi asa. And the answers are funny. Lakin ni dola kida many fresh. Ati kip politics apart. Jozi, nmepata madem wakichambua jackpot. Mbakani katri. Sut na joa bitu zetu. Steven nizia kwa says, weh? Kenyan's lifespan. There's life, there's birth, and then weh? And then death? Weh nini nipil? Weh? And that he says... Ati aki yule dipi... Ati ni, so mepe gina fokso. Aki yule dipi akona do. Mintampatikurayangu. Mara ulesa kajasini mkuit. Mintampi gia ala foka malizana. Rabish. Is it true? Ya, it's true. It's hard to add appearances at all. Sochasi basi yule kama joho. The way you present yourself will make me develop an interest to know more about you. You say you cannot just be. And then you want me to know more about you. Funny thing, I was thinking about it. Nani kajambia. Yes, kuna vene atasisi kama dem. I don't want to say objectify, kuna vene naji beba. Peshtu situ taku beba evo. So it helps me getting me thinking what if let's say three out of four of the presidential candidates have female running leads. Sasawa kii decided kutu valia cropped up to ta vote. Just be honest. Situ na...sini sawa. But you see also... Kutu wambia ui wana dani. Kwani ari tu jawa eva. Kutu wami mese kasa ii nivi le the way unatukaku kwa. Bora unadjuwaku gxpress. We are not sihana ati nga tunungoji mo tuwa. Una jua kwanza eva. Aduwa ati wachi a penje. And those are some of the rest of us. Nani al kumiva nitiwa. Al kumiva toping in apo. Hadna bra. Kutu wami mungi liya but na nga kwa ari hana. Situ na mwambia big up. So either way msi aishi wili anayaza. Bora uko una deliver whatever we want. I have a contrary opinion. It is said and it's noted that you are dressed the way you dress.  It's also important just to be presentable in front of people. Being that now you're going to hold a political seat.  But looking up to you, there's no need of walking naked for people. If you are beautiful, you are beautiful. Na wu wami anayaza. You are beautiful. But to see when you are beautiful, naked or dressed, you are still beautiful. So that means I don't expect a political candidate seeking maybe the vice presidency as a female. So expect any valia crop top. Yes. But you see and then and then in this era we are not supposed to judge people with maybe how they dress. But we are Africans? Ya, of course we are Africans. We are Africans but civilized. Ya. We are getting civilized. Ya, we are getting civilized. So we are not civilized. We are civilized. We are civilized. So we are civilized. So we are civilized. So you are civilized. Ya, so we are civilized. Ya, we are civilized. You are not civilized. Ya. You are civilized. You are civilized. We are civilized. We are civilized. We are civilized. We are civilized. These three candidates that have been cleared by the IBIC have female running leads. Whoo, she escaped to Kamayo Na Happen. Come up in how he was wearing that Tambo newest back to county People telling about us when we were doing the runner's of DJs where we were in general Began a lot of other girls When we were through with Riley 누가 juli beats important Who would like to go back to Naizikia to see王 n学 But even with the same Afterlife and then the society We have come in equals Nama nanakafia apa, gajako yadafi wita maimana Adela waka painting kanaka banga kanuni kawata All the timeKa, anyway Good morning ato jaskia NWTF Sikuzi ni ma nishiyu wanarak Sikuzi ni wadya ka yadafi That man Baba ni ta futer Ukona wa kuku representen bakassi Nana skia na kuwa ngatu wakground all the time Ladies and gentlemen shu tuki to kwa club PNA Na kutusa wakinu Sia kutupu Arafu no na Sa iwi le kuko Death. Molsia temple. Mentawe. Taka wewa aprecha'ti, Riza.   Yamaai kwa mde ya Jazama uncertain, Bi mudinu Sin estudema o magubula anyone karu fresh Yamaion Takao na kwenwawe Paustemi jabia K awardonam kwa nozirkana H Destroyakrendia Bometa NEukeywa labori Tama ma begelugen There's a woman who has come out in Nairobi count Ishel Payew who was complaining of lack of mentorship and maybe she lacks leadership skills. Women are coming out to join the politics. It's not all about Moshene, it's about this and this. The world has changed, we are in a different era where women know what they want and they go for it. We encourage women to join politics, there's nothing wrong with a woman joining politics, So there is a very funny perspective, perception I mean on women who have joined politics. I was just going to get into there because nambawa ni kama hufaikuwa una smile visiksa ana kukingia wanda ni kama politics and then also I've noticed and please this is not being biased, this is just according to research and just kuhishi tui lives when you're female and you're in this particular line of wake na pata mili adhyambu ali slapiwa na monyalim slapi kasa na misdi aku slapi na tulimu ona nisawa mungine situa li tolewa ngo hem nina li tolewa ngo iwa ngarimata ya li kuna tema li pigwadi ya kavuto-vuto e braid zake nyo desu katoka like why is there constant violence? ki doko kuna sex tapis yui me toka wapi o nude pictures they've even done kwa tkakutajama tu but they've also banished to her also kuna vile esmachesuna se matuna evolve kuna hawa men dashenda nasama katuni chauvinist kuna waliwa se wana sema kuna ile plesia manamke jikoni and whatnot the other ones who are doing that actually ule manamke wana umewok manyana juwa like sa ii kwa li te esmachesuna se matu isi kwa ii kwa but there's this unafa piya una respect the other gender now that sisi water to ko akuna tibila wana kwa li kwa weweni kuka home kuza unangoja tukpa sa ii kuna wana most li actually ladies are earning even more than me so hakuna jia kwa ingiliya unless ukoeni sa ii kotu watume kuja morume slap manamke you're just insecure actually mtu nikawad a man who monyana finiliya is a very weak man a very weak man real men don't be to women it's just insecurity mtu na tuwaga insecurity zake na kufanya bitukama isona maybe ume zohia kuchapua kwa mbuwa you're not enough as a man aya society piya maybe me kwa bullied so the moment you may grow the only thing kwa nesha weni wana umeni kuchapa manamke that's insecurity and cowardness I want to put another side to your charity ni mahali kama to seme estapasaris owe goro onge tukidogo tukwa TV wana mbuwa sasa wewa unakatwok to palace why is our femininity used against us attacked vitu zenge su kwa nga strong na yo we're carrying we are very in touch with how we are feeling we are nurturing yondo vene tuwukuna ni why are they using these things too but you see joining politics does not make you unless a human being or a more human being but still like if I join politics today I'm still the charity I still carry my personalities into it the way I behave and everything so when let's say maybe I have an interview and I talk that's how I am it's not like you are a woman it's not like I'm a woman it's the way I am to seme tukwa eli but there's a time we had presidential candidate I see this year I'm not even sure kwa kwa kusana nili yon na tuw but there's a particular interview that stood out for me and then I don't know what topic or someone asked a very hard question na maili kwa mga mga mahali aka anza kuhu liya na ok, mi na mo liya watu liya to ano me yug liya please mano me alafo ni pigi eku rafta but who doesn't cry it's only that men hide while crying who wants to see some man crying on TV alafo tu pigi eku it's like we are all emotional beings we are emotional beings you ask kutu kutu liya alone na emotions the other time Val the other time there's a man actually is vying for presidents in this country who cried and people show why is it becoming vying when a woman cries actually crying is very and crying is very healthy it's very healthy nivizuri wuna tu attention our safeans were Manchester United wana pula mese ma pana so do me tu mese ma fai kule kwanza wanya wana men cry, it's only that they hide while crying and you see a woman can just break down anywhere na yug kukosa kuliya most liya na sukiyaga wana hold a lot of things wana bottle up my anger zunona but now when you cry that's why we live young assuming you could have a political seat right now, direct ticket, nomination atau ni ni what seat would you take inezakwa mca, inezakwa woman rep, inezakwa governor all the way out to the president if you wanted what would you do first three things you would change or start changing in the country first of all wuna pata twendi leku empawaga child ina mo in a better way as much as you are empowered so wana badu wana tapo badu wana slapiwa and then maybe when you start working away they are not working away higher also education kama ni mamboia iya cbc kama ni mamboia wana pata kama sayu wana wazazi wanya waka wanwa rito wangwa lisa yuko cbc wana stressana wana jari bu kuna butu nini expensive way of teaching our children they are spending a fortune in that maybe you can make it a bit manageable she has almost touched on everything i wanted to say but first i will work on education not because i am a teacher but because i understand what education is and educated country is an empowered country and then i will also work on the girl child they have a lot of challenges the women in this country they have been looked down upon most of them are going through serious domestic violence most of them are jobless we will find ways of empowering women taking them through financial literacy and any other thing that will make them be stable wherever they are it's very leaning and that is actually a woman representative of Nairobi County we will be there soon we will be there 2013-2012 we will be there i really like that we will be there soon we will be there she is a woman she is a woman she is a woman she is a woman i am really glad you said that because we are not able to fill our politics that means you have to be very aggressive you have to be aggressive you have to be very aggressive you have to be aggressive that's what we are saying women has to be bold because you see politics there is no hygiene in politics not only in Kenya but in Africa there is a lot of issues there is a lot of issues when you become so how do i put it polite people will just walk on you just have to be bold hard stand when you say it's no and you mean that no haters are there even now i'm not in politics but i have haters so there will be nothing new there will be nothing new and that is why i love Mata Karwa you see she is a woman i admire so much she is so strong she is so bold and you see there are people who think when she gets into politics she is maybe after something that maybe she has a godfather somewhere you can as well just come out strongly you believe in yourself she has been in the game for some time now yeah she is an ayon lady i admire her the moment you become so bold you are termed as rude you always wrong the moment you become so bold and you are such a woman she is a hard woman to deal with but it's good it's always either extreme either you are too pretty to be in politics i don't want to be in politics i don't want to be in politics she is beautiful maybe there are people who don't want to be in politics but now her mind is on the right but you see she is beautiful but now her mind is on the right her mind is on the right she has no advantage she is a godfather it's good to look good sure and then you see Val you cannot fight someone's imaginations people will always imagine of years you cannot fight someone's imaginations people will imagine and that is up to them when you get into politics you know what you want let them talk, let them say today they see you in a rally they start coming up with unrealistic stories so what do you do about it do you come out and say i don't want politics like you say i had a challenge in 2019 i started i wanted to get into politics so i did some branded bottles of water for our church then my mother said why did you do this i really want people to know me i want to get into politics she was like you still have young children you are not through education so they think that there is no day i will end my education i was in school some years back i am in school now and by next year i will be joining again so you cannot do everything and put aside and then you now live your life for politics like the woman who spoke before she was saying that woman has so many things we are multitasking beings we can get into politics we get babies and we make we establish business so you are a member of parliament do you know what you are doing i know it sounds like a joke but i know that there are 2nd first world countries and i am Prime Minister Mahali and i will deal with them that means that you can do what you are supposed to be doing and say i affect kizongo and speak and why not and why not the moment we go back we can give birth and there is nothing wrong about it there is nothing wrong with that but we can see that there is no answer when you say there are geniuses women so we still talk i want to talk about how again just about on presentation but to say the teacher running me she is a bit more feminine than maybe papa running me she is a vibe she is a vibe that i want to talk about is that something that would make me vote for a female people are different people fall in love with those who are soft and people love those bold women so i want to talk about that but when i was in Penda I was in Siewengi and after that i was in Africa and all the people who were in Tamiwa were rude but no one in Penda mostly men were soft ones they are more appealing to them and that's them you know you can change anything but it's funny because when you are aggressive when you get into politics and you are you have to go you have to be so outgoing you should be in a position to pull the crowd okay small comments before we wrap this up i don't know what time the time decided to leave we have clear thoughts look kusah nili soh ma hi nili soh ma hi so nili soh ma hi so nili soh ma hi so nili soh ma hi so nili soh ma hi nili nili soh ma hi so nili soh ma hi sili sili sili sili sili sili sili sili sili sili sili sili gadi mananu matangima abundance khus Wu 표 wala e juzi kuna dempia mimi amemi nuliza atina ni ni wa pati gani ni ko aiii of the phone na fe nini awezi nina ni wa lukuliza kwa wapi roots roots term juzi 12 ekura chida nkadi says leo nileo baba the fifth samil shem wadja kwa yasini mo smart we have McDonald says Ume teizi moriana kuna soe Alfred says wadja na na hao eti wa nona sura lakini kitia sura tumerudia na sore wa invest piya ho ku kavizori indivizu nda ku vas hey si poli nivaas eti tu ken deleo kwa me tu ATWIPEFON FACE wouldn't buy 254 channel on twitter on the gram hashtag of the day is WCW or what in the morning. Nombat fanyive. Miseme social media handlezenu, alafo kama unkunafom tu afwante. Salamo priya. Kikuza salamo. Alafo ndontemali. So please type for me as we wrap this up. 30. Okay, on Facebook you can find me by the name of Tindinyarsikwadi. I just want to say something. Just a parting short. Let women come out in large numbers to join politics. It is a woman that will change the face of this country and it's a woman that will change the face of Africa and the world at large. Let us not fear politics. These men are not more superior than us. They are just like us. What they can do, we can do better. Let me send a shout out to students at Muiba Ringo. I know they are watching and one of them Val. And send me the greetings to them. Hi. Okay. It's okay. I remember the hashtag is WCW or what in the morning and we are still taking one or two last comments. Alright, let's go. Yeah. Facebook. Over there. Okay. Kareyabi. Naminga Insta. Stakem Jago Sosa. Insta. Nili sama nita. Lakinisa ni merodi. Itzwangare. Insta na jita Itzwangare. TikTok. Abikare. Five. Abikare. Five. Muftafutea apo na kamaidota apo tuki TikTok. Mdogo mdogo. Wachuwa macha kuskunti. Women rap ni Liz Kisiyanga. She knows that. I like that. Liz Kisiyanga. Wachuwa macha kuskunti na jomu na niyona. Nami ya nita. Wachuwa macha kuskunti na kamaidote. Wachuwa macha kuskunti na jomu na niyona. Nama gina kumintahatasha Landare. That's the last violence. Mdogo kikafutumati. Mdogo kikafutumati. Sia sama na mdogo. Mdogo kikafutumati. Mdogo kikafutumati. Sia sama na mdogo. Mdogo kikafutumati. Wachuwa macha kuskunti. Hwa? Wachuwa macha kuskunti. Kamaidbutu na niyoma. Tawadu tui faudi. Too much valence, too much valence for me to say on TV. Yo, I try to perform Facebook, Y2, Y4 channel on Twitter. Thank you so very much for allowing us into your homes, into your private spaces. Just thank you. You're amazing Nani. Just in case you missed this particular edition of What in the Morning, I would like to believe UNESA in Napalaya YouTube. I love what you have to say in there. Yeah, my name is still Valentine and I think you should have a fantastic Wednesday. So, bye.