Causing animal suffering is forbidden. What about bacteria? When we kill bacteria... Do you think the most compassionate God would be happy with the state of this sh**? You have to eat animals though. There's no nice way of killing an animal. Exactly, so you agreed. So then why do we do it? Okay, but if you put other animals, how do you explain that? Humans life's worth more than animals, right? You wouldn't be sustainable in the world. There ain't got enough food to have every single person be of you. Here's a good one. Here's a good one for you, bro.  And he said he created animals for us and I trust his judgement more than any human. You had a debate, innit? Yeah, yeah, who was it? Tristan Taylor. Tristan, yeah, yeah. He made some good points though, you know. What were some good points that he made? He said he doesn't care. Do you agree with him? Nah, obviously we do care. Nah, we do care as in like... He said he doesn't care how cruel we are to animals because he said they're animals and we eat them. You have to eat animals though. Do I have to? Do you, innit? Because I've been eating animals for nearly 10 years. Yeah, but that's... So I'm like a living example of how you don't have to. Yeah, previously you did though. Yes, true. Maybe, yeah, yeah, like survival, you mean? But can you really survive on long term without eating animals? It's been nearly a decade for me, bro, yeah. And all the science is... Science changes every time it depends. Yeah, but okay, so we're all vegan here. All of us. And there's massive vegan movement and there's really good data on vegan diets as well. The Adventist health study too. Vegan vegetarians had a lower mortality rate. You got less cancer, less heart disease. You're not religious in it. Nah, are you Muslim? Yeah, Muslim. I don't like to deal with the pig. That's what I was saying to Tristan actually. I don't know if you watched the whole discussion. Nah, not at all. But I brought it up on Islam actually because Andrew's a Muslim now. And Tristan was saying he doesn't care about cruelty in it. And I said, well, in Islam they have a haram and halal. Yeah, and you have to respect animals. Nah, we do because we believe on the day of judgment, yeah?  God will hold you accountable for that. So basically, now we do. But you've got to kill it like your main way. And then there's seven animals you can't eat. But then again, he's going to argue that his main way of killing an animal that's what he's going to come up with. Halal way. You cut the throat. If you need to, maybe. If you need to, maybe halal way is the best way. And halal is not suffering. You know that, right? Yeah, that's the main goal. Have you seen Halal slaughter videos? No, of course. Of course they will violate. Have you seen Halal slaughter? No, he's got a point. He's got a point where there is obviously that, there is companies that violate the policies and that's everywhere around the world. You live here? Yeah, we do, yeah. Yeah, okay. So here in the UK, you get chickens. They come from factory farms, 100%. And then they take them from the factory farm. They drive them in a truck to a halal slaughterhouse. They halal slaughter them. And they live the life of suffering. You're going to understand, yeah? There's a lot of people all over the world. What you're saying about halal for you as Muslim, like if you go and buy chicken at the short store, they come from a factory farm here in the UK statistically. Some KFCs, they'll do halal chicken, right? And a Muslim might go and go, okay, they've treated this animal with respect. No, complete disrespect. And then they take him to a halal slaughterhouse and killed them. And who knows what goes on in those slaughterhouses, bro? You don't watch? You know what it is? I agree with some of what you're saying, yeah? But you know, you're advocating for fully banned. That's not what I mean. But you're going to understand one thing. Animals are not humans as well. So they're not going to have the same treatment as humans. Of course not.  Exactly, so you agree.  No, there's not. There's not. So then why did we do it? Why did we need to do it? So what's more compassionate? I know that Islam has very important parts about animals that other religions don't have, which is why I have good conversations with Muslims, right? Causing animals suffering is forbidden. Now, in the time of the Prophet, there were not factories. There's suffering they cause in the dairy. Now, dairy is halal by default, yeah? You go on the shop, you don't look for halal milk. Halal, cheese, it's always halal. Yeah, because back then there was no factories for milk. You just take it from the goat or whatever like this. Now there's factories, bro. They impregnate the mother. They take the calf away. That causes the mother suffering because they're taking her baby. They kill the calf if they're a male. And then the cow will go to a non-halas slaughterhouse to be slaughtered, turn into minced meat. Yeah, and you'll take the milk. You'll fund the industry, right? But it shouldn't really be her arm. Now, the fact you think we don't agree with it, but it comes to like eating animals, I don't think there's anything wrong with that, but the way they do it... It's not happening like the traditional way that you think. Where they have these animals they respect. If it was happening traditional. No, because it's needless. It doesn't have to happen. Why do you think animals have been put in the world? I think they were put in the world to experience life. Okay, but if you put... No, but other animals that eat other animals, had you explained that? Yeah, it doesn't say anything. They need to. They need to. They need to. We don't. We don't. Animals eat each other, bro.  Lions eat other lioness cubs. We don't eat each other's babies. So we can't look in nature and say that that's ethical. They do it because they have to. And cows never harmed anyone. Chickens never harmed anyone. Our lamb never harmed anyone. And it's permissible to be vegan. You can be a vegan Muslim. No problems. And you're guaranteed this is halal. Because there's no animals being decapitated, no factory farms, this and that. It's the way to minimise the suffering you cause. It's the best way, bro, to minimise. I think we're the factory part. Or in animals.  Because you've got no other option. Yes, you can be vegan. Now, if you go into a store, right, and you get the vegan option, you can guarantee it's halal. Unless it's got alcohol, you just check if some dessert with alcohol, whatever, like... Yes. I don't know if vegan is fully healthy or not. I don't know. It's healthier in many ways. You could have full meat. It's healthier. I know you do follow Tristan. He eats like a lot of meat. A lot of red meat, a lot of this and that. But it isn't healthy. I know Muslim are supposed to look after your health. Are you advocate for health a lot? No. I'm an animal rights activist. I want animals to have rights so that they don't get mass exploited and murdered. That's it. I want them to have rights. The most suffering that happens on this earth is for animals killed for food. The most by numbers. The most suffering and killing, blood spilt is because of humans lost for animals. We don't need to, bro. They wouldn't be sustainable in the world. They ain't got enough food to have every single person be a vegan. Here's a good one. Here's a good one for you, bro. Because if we were meant to eat animals, all of us and God would have accounted for population growth. He knows how many people is going to be on the earth. Think, think.  They have to grow soya, oats, corn. Most of the farmland on earth, 83% has been used for animals. Most of the water, if you think of fresh water. People are starving on earth and we're feeding chickens in factory farms in the UK. Human beings are starving. Tristan was saying, I don't care about animals, I only care about people. If you care about people... I used to say that. You were saying... He said... He doesn't care about animals.  I speak to him all the time. He doesn't care. Okay. He doesn't care. You wouldn't say a human's life is worth more than animals' life. Humans' life is worth more than animals' life. But animals' life is worth more than our taste buds and we don't have to cause this suffering and we can eat something else. If you're not like a farmer in Pakistan living in the mountains and all you've got is access to the modern world and things like that and they don't have access to grow plants and things like that. What are they going to eat? I think they would have access to plants in Pakistan. North-west of Pakistan is full of mountains. There's nothing to grow. So in a survival situation...  I'm not going to go out and talk to my mother. I'm not going to go out and bring the TVs out there. I have to argue with the work that they're up there. So they would be justified eating it. Yeah, but people do crazy things in survival situations. Bro, you know what I'm saying? I mean, justified is a strong word. In a bad situation, yeah.  I don't think killing is justified because in this situation there's situations where you can think killing, oh, they do it because they're in a bad situation. So I'm saying to you guys here in the UK right now, you don't need to. The most compassionate choice you can make right now in civilisation is a vegan choice and it would be the most halal choice. The least amount of suffering and unjustifiable killing and you don't know what's going on on the other end of the halal label. If you look into it, you might be shocked at what you find. The way I look at it, yeah? Yeah. I understand what you're saying. Yeah. Make some good points. Yeah. But the way I look at it, my God gave us a right to eat animals and he said he created animals for us as humans and he said, which animals you can eat and I trust his judgement more than any human. That's the way I'm going. Yeah, and you're not going to listen to me. You're some guy on the side of the road. I understand that. I know you're not going to listen to me over God, right? Yeah. But if God is compassionate, I think the most compassionate God would be happy with the state of this sh**. He wouldn't be. He wouldn't be. Okay. I'm just saying, but then he's given us how to do it. What's the human way of doing it? And if it's not done the way God said them, then we will be helped. Then it's haram.  Because it was his creation. What I've heard is, there are insects that do get killed just trying to provide your food. They're spraying the plants to protect the plants because if you, this is what's going to happen if you let insects run amok on the plants.  So we have to, we've got justification to do it. You said unjustified. In Islam, it's unjustified. This is completely justified. Using pesticides are one of the most justified things we do. Otherwise we won't have any crops to feed people. But surely you can, what's unjustified?  No, no, no, but this is justified killing. This is different to, it's like, no, 100%. Well, you don't keep protecting. No, but this is where that you should become, you decide what's justified and what's not. Well, it's easy. It's really easy. No, but if I say it's not, but then you're saying it is. The thing is, no one's saying that it's not permissible to be vegan and a Muslim. I know, plenty of vegan Muslims. You can? Yeah, you can. You're just saying you're also allowed to eat meat, right? But the prophet is trying to teach you about your own religion. I'm just saying that. That was because of poverty and other things, right? But the prophet... Yeah, mostly dates and was it grains and things like that? But he did, they was camel meat they used to eat. If he gave us a little... A little, a little amount. No, but that's because of poverty. Showing compassion to an animal is the same as showing compassion to a human. What is this quote? Have you had this quote before? No. I don't know, you know. You know what, bro? I just think that this is an abomination for accountability.  I agree with that. Yeah, which is nothing. This is nowhere near compassion.  And I'm just saying that this is... I mean, you can look into it yourself, bro. I thought the government has some sort of rules or regulation. I thought I didn't know this was happening. Also, England probably had this. I can understand there was a third world country's differ, but I didn't know why isn't there any laws? There are. They're called guidelines. There's not really that... that farmed animals are not protected by the law. Really? Like, there's certain things you can do that will get you in trouble with the law, but they kind of get let off.  They grow too fast to support their own body weight. They've been selectively bred. 60% of the mother pigs are kept in farung plates. I know you don't eat pigs, but they can give you guidelines, but there's never eyes in there watching them constantly, is there?  You know what, bro? It's a good conversation, yeah? I agree with some points, especially with cruelty. Other points... But when you go into the supermarket, you're going to buy the chicken where you don't know where it's from, knowing that this is suffering, causes suffering, when you can buy a vegan and you know that it hasn't. What about bacteria? When you kill bacteria, is bacteria not... It's not sentient, so it doesn't experience the world. So God created animals to experience the world. They experience... The bacteria is alive. Because now they're alive, but they're not sentient. It's like this is alive, but it doesn't feel nothing. You don't have to worry about halal vegetables, because God didn't say halal vegetables. Your... Your worldview doesn't work on God anyway. I talk to whoever's worldview I'm speaking to. No, but you need to have criteria. This... The criteria for sentience is usually a brain, a functioning nervous system, a brainstem connected to the brain, and plants don't possess them. And what was the other criteria? Just like intelligent life forms with no sentience. There's no experience there. How do you know? Well, how do I know that f***ing... That tree isn't a f***ing... I don't know, a monster or something. I don't know. You can say how do you know about everything, but... Well, bacteria's actually living the one you're listening to. Yeah, so it's a tree. And anyway, how come there's no halal guidelines for stepping on bacteria? No, it's not mentioned. It's just... No, but I... I don't know. Anyway, it's nice to... It's good talking to you. Take care. Joey. Joey.


So now we get to the bottom half of the first page where we've got electric field diagrams. And we've got two different types of questions you're going to be answering here. Now just to zoom in a little bit here, on this top one you're being asked to say whether the charge is positive or negative. And basically in this space down here you can write something like A followed by either plus or minus, B followed by plus or minus. And then we have E and F. So you'll have A, B, E and F, and after each one of those you'll put either a plus or minus. Now to help you out I'm going to refer you back to the earlier videos, but a quick Google image search of electric field lines makes this really clear. So in case you were confused on the earlier videos, you can see really clearly from this image search that positive has arrows pointing away from it, negative has arrows pointing towards it. And not just on the single ones, if you look at any of these images, wherever it's positive the arrows point away, and wherever it's negative the arrows point towards that. So that's a really good indication for you to be able to figure out which ones are positive or negative. And on the second one, we're not saying whether or not they're positive or negative. That wants you to rank the charges from the weakest to the strongest. So between G, H and I, which one is the smallest is the one that you would write first as in the smallest amount of charge, followed by the middle one and then followed by the strongest charge. And again we can jump over here to take a look at the Google image search and we've got one here that if we take a look at it, it shows us that when we have greater number of arrows or a smaller number of arrows, that tells you something about the charge. So this object actually says that this one's got like three times as much charge as this one. We can see that back on this image as well, where you've got your plus one charges. There's not too many arrows involved, but where you've got either the plus three or the minus three, there's a lot more arrows that either start or stop on that particular charge. So you guys will come back over here to your worksheet and you don't have to count them exactly. You should be able to figure out which one of those has the most or the least number of arrows pointing towards it or away from it.


My goodness gracious, it must be Monday. Tom Yamachika is with us, the president of the Tax Foundation of Hawaii, talking tax today with Tom. Hi, Tom. Hi, Jay. We have a kind of interesting and philosophical and economic discussion for you today. We're going to talk about the two horses, the parable of the two horses. That's right. But before we get into that, I just want you to summarize the article that appeared in Civil Beads this morning about what is it about? Banks in Hawaii. There was one particular bank that did Bank of America. You've probably heard about Han Fed. Yeah, it was swept up into Bank of America. So Bank of America bought it a long time ago. They had it for a few years. And then they sold it to the subsidiary of the electric company. It's now American Savings Bank. But before they did, according to a certain Hawaiian activists, they promised to make $150 million in federally guaranteed loans. According to the activists, they didn't do that. They did engage in discussions with the Department of Hawaiian Homeland. The Department of Hawaiian Homeland said to me a letter saying, okay, you fulfilled your commitment, period. And it was signed by, I think, the deputy director or the deputy chair of the Department of Hawaiian Homeland. Public official. Yeah. And not a grunt either. I mean, it's one of the top guys, right? This was in 2007. So why is this issue coming up again and again and again? Came up in 2012. It came up in 2019. Why does it keep coming up? And now in this year, all the county councils are getting involved, Governor E. Gays involved. And he says, hey, thank you, America. Come to Hawaii and negotiate a fair and final settlement.  So what is it we gave him in 2007? I said it was the final settlement, didn't it? Yeah. And it was signed by the government. It was signed by the government. And but five years later, the person who then was the chair of the Department of Hawaiian Homeland lands said, oh, it was not valid because they needed a full vote of the board and they didn't get it. They knew the Hawaiian Homes Commission. What's the statement about why you should never rely on Hawaii government? Yeah.  Or when you don't like it, you accept it anyway because it is a decision made and executed. That's right. Well, I tell you the truth. It was an interesting article. It was different than a lot of your straight tax articles for sure. Why did you cover this and that article here today in Civil Bee? Well, it certainly had something to do with the behavior of our government and public finance. It was certainly about money.  It's an attitudinal thing. It's about the rule of law. It's about respecting decisions that were made. And inevitably, you have to make the comparison between the Bank of America story in your article and TMT, where the court system in our state, the legislative system, has created a certain result, decision, determination, order, you will, permit, if you will. And now people are denying it, even after litigating it for 10 or 12 years. It's an inevitable comparison, isn't it? Yeah. I mean, are we respecting the rule of law there as well? There's been a lot of arguments raised about, oh, well, the Mauna Kea Access Road is under the control of the Department of Hawaiian Homeland. So that means, according to one senator, that all the beneficiaries with the requisite flood quantum can go set in the road if they want to. Well, they can't.  Right. It's our road belongs to all of us. The other thing that happened, I just have to throw this in, is that yesterday, paper reported that there were death threats against Senator Lorraine Inouye, who has supported the TMT and the opening of the road. Right. So it's quite remarkable that not only do we get a complete rejection of all the process that's going on for a decade or more, but now we get death threats over that. This is out of control. Thank you, Governor Ige. Yeah. I mean, Governor Ige isn't responsible for starting this mess, but he hasn't cleaned it up. Yeah. Okay, Tom, that's chapter one. Now, on to the parable of the two horses. All right. What in the world are you talking about? All right. In once upon a time, there were two horses that were sent to two different towns. Let's call them Harburg and Tarburg. And then the horses were supposed to pull a wagon to the other town and then back. Right. I mean, that's what horses normally do. But the people in Harburg treated their horse a little bit differently. And let me kind of tell you what happened. In Harburg, they were worried about the horse going the wrong way or walking on bird nests or things like that. So they put a lot of obstacles in the route. And it's not like there was a clear road or anything, but there was just kind of like a direction to go in. So they put obstacles and they put pitfalls. Pitfalls were you kind of, if you're not watching, you can kind of fall in and break a few legs and stuff. Yeah, the word is taken on another kind of generic meaning more recently, but it started out as a pit. A real pit. A pitfall. Yep. These are in Harburg, they were real pits. Sometimes you could see them, sometimes you couldn't. And sometimes they were in areas clearly marked as don't go here. And sometimes they weren't. Now, they were worried that the horse was eating too much. So they took away some of his food in Harburg. In Tarburg, they didn't really care about it that much. So they let the horse eat. In both Harburg and Tarburg, they wanted to reward the horse for good behavior. So they gave him carrots and apples. But in Harburg, they were worried that the carrots and apples cost too much. So they said, well, after a certain point, no more carrots, no more apples, even though the horse did all kinds of things. And finally, in Harburg, they were worried that there weren't sufficient number of people making a living off of the route from Harburg to Tarburg. So they put a few extra people in the horse's wagon. So the horse had to kind of pull them along as well. They didn't even know what they were doing. So that's what the horse had to do. So the question is, OK, which horse made it to the other city and back first? What do you think? The one who wasn't mistreated. Mistreated? Let's kind of see what we're talking about now. The horse is a business. So what do you think the obstacles are? All the obstacles that were imposed in their way. They want to make sure the horse is going in the right direction, right? Yes. So it's regulations. That's what I mean by obstacles. You put some notices, you put some... Marcus, some of them aren't good. You need to tell the horse and the driver to keep out of the swamp. Well, if you're asking whether regulation or make that over-regulation would help the horse get there sooner, it wouldn't. You want to have a minimum of regulation so that the horse can get there sooner. Or at least so the horse can figure out the more efficient way to get there. Yes. What do you think the pitfalls are?  Well, I mean it can slow you down or it can basically put you out of commission entirely. Break your leg, you're done. Break your leg, you're done. These are penalties. Penalties. Yes, so a lot of times businesses go on. They think they're doing the right thing. And then some agency or other says, well, no, you haven't been doing the right thing for the last 15 years and there's a price to be paid for it. Even though you've been in business. Even though you've been in business. And that then becomes a past tense. Yeah, right. Because they put them out of business. Yeah, if you fall too hard it's really difficult to continue and the only thing left to do is go to bankruptcy court. Carrots and the apples? Incentives. Sure. Yeah, so most economies have them, we do too. Sometimes in Hawaii, nay, I don't think we understand them. Oh, nay. Two points on that one. But the thing to watch out for there is that if you really want the incentives to drive certain behavior, what's the point of putting caps on it as long as you're getting a return after, if the behavior is being complied with? Yeah. If it's something where you can't afford the incentives, then don't get them. I know where you're going with this. It just occurred to me. Oh. You're going to a stat that was published very recently for the proposition that Hawaii was one of the most difficult states in the union to do business and that we over-regulated and that we under-incentivized and we, at least for all appearances, we didn't really care if the business has succeeded or not. Matter of fact, it looked like we were trying to put them out of business. And when we come back from this break, Tom, when we come back from this break, we're going to examine how all these things work together, how they work in Hawaii, why we're at the bottom of the list, and what we can do about it. It's going to be a six-hour show. We'll be right back after the short break. Hey, hello, everyone, and welcome to the Think Tech Hawaii studio. My name is Andrew Lanning. I'm the host of Security Matters Hawaii. We air here every Tuesday at 10 a.m. Hawaii time trying to bring you issues about security that you may not know, issues that can protect your family, protect yourself, protect our community, protect our companies, the folks we work with. Please join us and I hope you can maybe get a little different perspective on how to live a little safer. Aloha. Hi, guys. I'm your host, Lillian Cumick, from Lillian's Vegan World. I come to you live every second Friday from 3 p.m. And this is the show where I talk about the plant-based lifestyle and veganism. So we go through recipes, some upcoming events, information about health regarding your health, and just some ideas on how you can have a better lifestyle, eat healthier, and have fun at the same time. So do join me. I look forward to seeing you and aloha. Talking tax with Tom Yamashita. Tom, you know, we're talking during the break about, you know, trying to bring this parable down to reality, down to connect up. And one of the things that struck me is, you know, that Hawaii has a problem in allowing for new businesses, incentivizing new businesses, and sometimes often over-regulating them so they go out of business, and therefore, you know, our economy is affected. So this part of the show, we should talk about that. But the first question is, where did we get the culture that permits, that allows this kind of anti-business flavor? And I was thinking, oh, where did we get that from? Where does it come from? Does it come from the monarchy back when? Does it come from, gee, Asia as a, you know, cultural influence? Come from the mainland? Where does it come from? You know where it comes from? I think in the old days of the oligarchs and the Big Five and all that, people really didn't like this. They didn't like how business guys were ruining or ruling their lives. And, you know, although a lot of people got into business in the 50s and around statehood, I think that has perpetuated this animosity toward business. What do you think? Well, I mean, I think there's certainly a way of thinking about business as, oh, they're so big, they're so powerful. You know, they can respond to anything that we put on them. And that's why in the parable, it goes, one of the features is, will they stop feeding the business? Now, what does, will they stop feeding the horse? What does a business need to survive? Needs capital and needs people. Capital, they take away through tax. People, they just take away through squeezing and squeezing and squeezing them. We have people leaving the state in droves. What do you think they're going to get their work? And nobody seems to be doing anything about it.  And I say that, I mean the government. That's hopefully a trend that we can help reverse. You know, if we kind of bring more awareness to this. You know, just a few years ago, some lawmakers were in denial that we had a population exodus. They thought that, you know, we're just gaining population by leaps and bounds. And I said, oh, that's not what the census tells us. And then this was a pretty powerful senator I was talking to. Yeah, and the ones who do best in school are the ones who leave. And then the part of the parable where you put extra people in the wagon to add to the load. That's an allegory for additional requirements that are imposed on employers in general. Minimum way. Health care, mandated benefits, mandated nap breaks. And, you know, all kinds of requirements, unions impose all kinds of requirements. It gets impossible to start a business and continue a business having to comply with all these requirements. It ain't worth it, you know. Yeah, it's, you know, I run the tax funding. We only have two employees, myself and one other guy. And it's still a chore. I want to, you know, offer competitive salaries and benefits if I could, but it's just too much hassle. Like, for example, I wanted to, before I got there, the foundation offered a defined contribution plan. You know, pension plan. Well, a legal review of the pension plan, which is required every so many years, you know, costs over a thousand bucks. And I don't have that in my budget.  I can't afford to pop for legal fees in that amount, you know, every couple of years.  I don't need other plans.  And what that says is the government is putting more weight, you know, more weight on smaller companies than bigger ones. Yeah, the bigger ones at least have economies of scale. Like, if I were a Walmart, I would have, you know, a department taking care of the pension plan. On the main ones somewhere. Yeah, a department taking care of human resources. And I could concentrate more on, you know, what I do better as a business. Oh, so, you know, I said before, you know, after statehood, there were a lot of mom and pop businesses being created here. My law firm, we were creating, if it doesn't, new corporations every day. That changed over time. People didn't want to do it. And I suggest the answer is in this discussion. The answer is they were, they could not deal with all of these obligations, requirements and regulations. And the word got out that you couldn't make it if you put yourself up against those requirements. And so you didn't do it. And people stopped making these mom and pop businesses. Yeah, I mean, for myself, I have a small law firm, I have no intention of hiring any employees. Because there's just too much stuff that I have to deal with once you get one. Yeah, yeah. And you'd probably have to hire somebody to just comply with all the regulations and requirements. And that person would cost you a ton of money. There's no way it could be efficient. No way that... Yeah, even with the tax foundation, I have just two employees. And my office manager, a substantial part of his time is dedicated to complying with all this stuff. Yeah. Yeah, and what's worse is that if you get into some kind of dispute, and you have to go before an administrative law judge in the Department of Commerce, they will always rule in favor of the employee anyway. And the entrepreneur who put his life and limb and takes all these risks to establish, you know, the business and maintain the business. He's the one that risks, usually. He falls into a pit. He falls into the pit, a pitfall. And there's nothing that she can do about it. Back wages, back penalties. Yeah, and so he puts them out of business. And, you know, we had no idea how many businesses, A, were not created because they saw these problems before they, you know, started the business. And it discouraged them from starting the business. Or B, that you referred to, is they were in the business and they ran into the pitfalls and the additional expenses and things that really is hard to justify. Really, if you look at it, and they couldn't maintain the business, so they stopped the business. You know, if we did... I'd love to see some kind of numerical analysis, some metrics on this, to show, A, how many businesses could have started but didn't. How many businesses could have continued but stopped? Just look at the restaurant industry. I mean, there are new ones and old ones all the time. Yeah, and a friend of mine in the real estate industry told me that right now, today, you can talk about good economy and all this, but right now, today, there are so many restaurants that are failing. It's quite incredible how many restaurants are just about going out of business that are not worth the power in terms of value on a resale. So, you know, we're in a place where this is all coming to roost right now. Anyway, one with your analysis.  So, we have to do something, you know, we need to keep this horse alive. We need to keep the horse going. I mean, that's how, if you think about it, that's how government survives because all of the tax laws, or most of them, depend on economic activity, the tax economic activity. There's no economic activity. There's no revenue for the government. That's where we are. That's where we are. So, we've got to get that horse moving. We can't keep weighing them down. We can't, you know, keep putting extra loads on them. We can't keep starving them. How are you going to take care of your engine? I remember during the, I think it was the Katana administration. Earl Ansai was in that administration and the question was put to him, how many employees does the state have? And he couldn't answer. And then they asked it and asked it over and over again and nobody could answer. Nobody knew how many employees are in the state payroll. And then you realize that the state payroll is pretty attractive, you know. You get, you know, very good salaries increasing all the time. In this kind of imaginary thing about we have to keep up with private industry and we have a kind of resentment about private industry because they seem to be paying more. So we'll pay ourselves more. Raises, raises upon raises and then benefits upon benefits. And a retirement upon retirement, you know. One of the reasons there's 13 billion behind is that, is that the state retirement system has to pay for lifelong medical. That's expensive business. It's expensive. We know how expensive it is if we're in the private sector. The state is paying the freight on that. That's why no private sector business offers that kind of benefit. Can't. The state can, but it's with our nickel. But here's the other thing I want to throw at you and see what you think. You know, as a theoretical matter, as a sort of construct, is that if you have more people in the state regulating us, then more people are going to be out there trying to justify their jobs and therefore thinking of regulations and the execution of regulations and the enforcement of regulations justify their jobs. So they're going to be much more busy, aggressive if you will, implementing and enforcing regulations than if there were fewer people in the state. Therefore, the greater number of people involved in doing regulations, the more regulation we have. Isn't it true? That sounds right, and what that brings to mind is, I think, some pearls of wisdom from Steve Jobs, right, when he had a meeting with his employees to discuss new product lines. He was at a whiteboard and he took down these good ideas. Ten good ideas. Revolutionary product. He said, we only have resources for three. Very good. We only have resources enough for three. Which three are we going to do? Okay, apply that now. In state government, we can't say no to any of the ten, because each has their own constituency. Right, so you have to keep all your constituency happy. All your constituency is happy. Therefore, you take all of them. Or worse yet, you take all of them and you get the wrong order. You get the wrong priority. You give more money to the one that should get less money, but you're not applying any judgment. You're reacting politically without applying, you know. Yeah, that's why we have all these deferred maintenance problems, because we're focusing too much on here and now and less on, oh, we've done this in the past and we have to maintain it. Right, we have to maintain it. We never give anything up, which is an extension of what you said before. We have to accept all the initiatives of all the constituencies, and once we accept that particular initiative, we can't give it up. We have to keep on paying the freight on that. Yeah, forever and ever and ever. Forever and ever and ever, but we don't get enough money to cover the freight when we keep adding, because we're always adding new initiatives and not getting rid of old ones. And then, of course, something like climate change comes along. Climate change requires a ton of money, and we haven't spent it. We have not. We have not allocated it. We have not even figured out how much it is. We have not even figured out what we need to do. Where's the action? And so what's happening is we're in the headlights over climate change. We haven't done anything. We have no plan to do anything. Everybody gets up and says, yes, we have a problem. Well, thank you. How about doing something? It's creeping up the shore. The weather is going to get worse. Are we really resilient toward that weather? I doubt it. And one of these days, we're going to have a renewable energy mandate that no other state has. That's not the same thing. Climate change, certainly you want to cooperate in the global effort to reduce carbon in the atmosphere. But also, you have to protect yourself. You have to protect yourself against the extreme weather, against the rise of sea level. And you have to be resilient and recover from what happens. Yeah, just like what Japan is doing now. Exactly. The typhoon number 19 just kind of devastated the area, put a full of 13 feet of water on the ground. What do you do? Well, you'll see how a society can come out of that in shining fashion. Will ours do the same? I don't know. A stitch in time, Tom. We haven't taken a stitch in time. And all this goes to public policy. It all goes to planning. It all goes to these cultural, I mean business economic culture points that we've been talking about. And it's really time for a leader to step up and recognize this problem. A cultural economic problem. And start closing down some initiatives. And start reordering the priorities and the proportion of money that goes to the initiatives. And start giving a break to small businesses so that they can survive. The one thing we didn't connect up is that if you have better opportunities for small businesses, you have fewer young people, fewer young entrepreneurial people leaving town. So those two things work in conjunction with each other. If you give them a break, they'll stay around. They'll form small businesses. Economy will be better. Tax collections will be better. There'll be better innovation as well. And more innovation, yeah. So now I understand the parable. I think it's one of us. That's good. Thank you, Tom. Tom Yamachika, Tax Foundation of Hawaii. Thanks for having me on the show.


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Hi everyone Shawn with jaspyscasebreaks.com here doing 2021 tops archive signature series active edition 10 box half case break Random player number 10 where every spot gets you seven players. So 19 spots total. Everyone gets seven players from lists below Pretty simple one card one pack per box one card per back The list goes from Aaron Hicks all the way down To Zach Wheeler, so you'll see that list here Aaron Hicks Zach Wheeler and it should be 19 times seven is 133 so if I click randomize once and push to the end they'll give me a hundred and thirty three spots So we're gonna go back so that gives me the full list from Aaron Hicks back down to Zach Wheeler Now we have 19 spots on the list from Andrew Heerman down to Andrew Sumian with last spot mojo times a whole bunch So thank you Andrew. What we're gonna do to make sure that we have seven spots 17 players per spot. We're going to duplicate this another six times. So one two three four five and six time so now you can see from Andrew Back all the way up to Andrew So if I randomize this one, it should give me a hundred and thirty three spots as well. Yeah, a hundred and thirty three So we're gonna go back so that it's the original list from Andrew Heerman all the way down to Andrew Sumian dice roll for both lists to randomize and pair them up a two and a one three times one two three Andrew down to most likely another Andrew See odds were in my favor and So you can see three times on the list on the randomizer three times on the dice now three times on the players names one two and three From Eduardo down to Chris Bryant Two good names on the bottom of Kunya and Chris Bryant So here you go Let's make this big enough for everybody to see You'll see three times on that randomizer as well So I'm not gonna read them all off as is right now But we're gonna scroll through so that everybody can see the list and have it on video as is and then we'll sort it by Customer names so that everybody can see what players they have so Barry Roberts with Mike Trout's about 21 that's Jarell Taylor from DJ and DJ the man here in 22 down to Jarell Taylor and Albert Amandasi in 41 Andrew Summion Gio Urshela down to Joseph Begornian Matt Olson in 61 Andrew Summion Mitch Hannigar down to Joseph Begornian Max Muncie in 81 Andrew Heerman Nolan Aronato down to Andrew Summion and Adam Otavino in one-on-one Andrew Summion Peter Lonzo down to Andrew Summion and Anthony Rendon Tony two bags in spot 121 and our final 10 Final 12 Andrew Summion Walker Bueller down to Andrew Summion and Chris Bryant. So let's sort this by customer name box it up And there you go. So Andrew Heerman with your seven spots These are your players From Kevin Newman down to Colton Wong Nolan they're not out there in the middle Jose Altuve Luke Voight Andrew Summion you've got a lot of them. So let's actually go past yours for a second and Go to the other spots Barry Roberts You got 14 spots in here two spots 14 players from Paul Goldschmidt down to Dan Vogelbach I was just looking at a picture of Dan Vogelbach. He's a giant guy We're not going to I want to show everything else and then pretty much anything that's not on those lists Andrew is obviously yours But we'll go through it and like look at some highlights so Andrew Benintendi Christian Yelich Mike Trout, I guess he's pretty good Paul Goldschmidt Jarell one-spot got you seven players there from DJ LeMahieu down to Luis Severino. You got Tatis Marcus Strowman, Yuli Guriel, DJ LeMahieu Joseph Bragornia your one-spot got you seven players from Reese Hoskins back up to Tim Anderson and in the middle you got Eloy Jimenez one of my favorites and Howie Kendrick HK-47, that's my dude Roy T. Pietro from Mickey Moniac down to Dustin May, Trevor Bauer in the middle Where will he end up? Myles Miklas like that dude too.  Does anybody want to try to trade? Does anybody have a favorite player that they didn't get within their teams that they want to try it for? Quick trade window if necessary or if anybody wants to see their players one more time. Let me know If not, I'll give it another 15 seconds And we'll close up the trade window You want to trade for Trout? Who ended up with Trout? Was that Darrell? Barry Roberts, I'm not sure if Barry's here listening right now, but if he is and you want to make a deal of a player for a player or multiple players for Trout, that's up to Barry So Barry, if you're listening, somebody would be interested in you for trading for Mike Trout Roy wants to see his guys. You got it, Roy. Roy, here you go. Okay. Looks like we're good No on Barry. It doesn't look like he's here Andrew. So trade window closed Here is Our 10 boxes. This is the second half of the case You can see we have our patented X on the logo to show that these are all from the same case so From what Joe said, I didn't do the first half. He said there was no one-of-ones, no nothing in there so Hopefully that means all of you the best was saved for now Good luck starting off with Hey, there's the guy we were just talking about Dan Vogelbach He's a really big guy, but his bowman first card. He was huge 47 out of 99 on there Let's just talk about Danny. Danny V Vogelbach is Barry Roberts.  Love that. That's music in my ears I'm glad we didn't do a filler What a jammed everybody up Colin Moran 47 out of 90 For Andrew Summian as well box five halfway point Brendan Rogers 24 out of 29 that is also Andrew Summian Yasmani Grandal 99 out of 99 ebay one-of-one That's actually really cool photography there Andrew Summian Colton Long 28 out of 48 now a brewer I believe right as of today Super underrated Andrew Heerman for Colton Long. I love this set too. This is a from Heritage That's such a good-looking card. I Know that they do this for Obviously the archives and stuff like that the signature series. They did a clear acetate version of that card last year That that design is just so sharp Carter Keeboom 19 out of 30 Andrew Summian Are you Andrew? Two boxes left come on big hits Max Kepler 32 out of 99 Andrew Summian and Last box best for last Lance McCullers six out of 47 Good old lines Andrew Summian again, so there we go guys That was the box our 10 boxes that was 2020 archives Signature series active edition 10 box half case break random player number 10 from jaspys case breaks calm I'm Sean jaspys case breaks calm. Thanks for hanging out. We'll see you next time


Live from Las Vegas, it's theCUBE, covering AWS re-invent 2017, presented by AWS, Intel, and our ecosystem of partners. Hello, and welcome to theCUBE's exclusive coverage here in Las Vegas for AWS, Amazon Web Services re-invent 2017. 45,000 people, it's theCUBE's fifth year in covering AWS five years ago. I think 7,000 people attended this year, close to 45,000 developers and industry participants. And of course, this is theCUBE. I'm John Furrier with my co-host Keith Townsend, and we're excited to have CUBE alumni, Sanjay Poonan, who's the Chief Operating Officer for VMware. Sanjay, great to see you. Of course, good friend with Andy Jassy. You went to Harvard Business School together, both Mavericks, welcome to theCUBE. Thank you, and you know what? I loved about the keynote this morning. Andy and I both love music, and he had all these musical stuff. Vandy and Tom Feddy and Eric Clapton. I don't know, I liked all of his picks, but at least those two, loved it, man. The music thing really speaks to the artists, artists inside of this industry. And we were talking on theCUBE earlier that we're in a time now where, and I think Tom Siebel said it when he was on, that there's going to be a mass, just extinction of companies that don't make it on the digital transformation, and he cited some. So you're at VMware, you guys are transforming and continuing to do well. You have a relationship with Amazon Web Services. Talk about the challenge that's in front of business executives right now around this transformation, because possibly looking at extinction for some big brands, potentially big companies in IT. It's interesting that Tom Siebel would say that in terms of where Siebel ended up and where Salesforce is now, I respect him. He's obviously doing good things at C3. But listen, that's, I think what every company has got to ask yourself, how do you build longevity? How do you make yourself sustainable? Next year will be our 20 year anniversary of VMware's founding. And the story could have been written about VMware that you were the last good company and then you were a legacy company because you were relevant to yesterday's part of the world, which was the data center. And I think the key thing that kept us awake the last two or three years was, how do you make them relevant to the other side of history, which is the public cloud? And what we've really been able to do over the last two or three years is build a story of the company that's not just relevant to the data center and private cloud, which is not going away guys, as you know, but build a bridge into the public cloud. And this partnership has been a key part of that. And then of course the third part of that is our end user computing story. So I think cloud, mobile security have become the pillars of the new VMware. And we're very excited about that in this show. I mean, if you combine the momentum of this show and VMworld, collectively at VMworld, we have probably about 70, 80,000 people come to VMworld and V-forums. There's 45,000 people here with all the other summits. They probably have another 40,000 people. This is collectively about 150,000 people are coming to the largest infrastructure shows on the planet, great momentum. And it's an infrastructure show but it's turning into a developer show. So I'm getting your thoughts. And I want to just clarify something because we pointed this out at VMworld this year because it was pretty obvious what happened. The announcement that you guys did that Raghu and your team did with Raghu with AWS was instrumental. The proof was at VMworld. Well, you saw clarity in the messaging. Everyone could see what's going on. I now know what's happening. My operations are going to be secure. I can run vSphere and the cloud are on-prem. Everything can be called what it is. But the reality was is that you guys have the operators, IT operations, and Amazon has a robust cloud native developer community. Not that they're conflicting in any way, they're coming together. So it was a smart move. So I got to ask you, as you guys continue your relationship with AWS, how are you guys tying the new ops role, ops teams with the dev teams, because with IoT, this is where it's coming together. You can see it right there. Your thoughts. I mean, listen, the partnership is going great. I just saw Andy Jassy after his exec summit session, gave him a hug. We're very excited about it. And I think of any of the technology vendors he mentioned on stage, we were on several slides there, mentioned a few times. We, I think we're probably one of the top tech partners of his. And reality is there's two aspects to the story. One is the developer and operations come together which you eloquently articulated. The other aspect is we're the king of the private cloud and they're the king of the public cloud. When you can bring these together, you don't have to make it a choice between one or the other. We want to make sure that the private cloud is maximized to its full extent and then you build a bridge in the public cloud. I think those two factors, bringing developer and operations together, and marrying the private and public cloud, what we'd call hybrid cloud computing, a term we coined. And now, of course, many others are on top of that term. Well, whoever did. I think HP might have coined it. But nonetheless, we feel very good about the future, about developer and operations and hybrid cloud computing being a good part of the world's future. So Sanjay, I actually interviewed you, 2016, VMworld, and you said something very interesting that now I look back on it.  At the time included AWS before the announcement of VMware and AWS partnership. AWS doesn't change their data center for anyone. So the value that obviously you guys are bringing to them and their customer speaks values. AWS has also said, Andy on the stage says he's trying to go out and talk to customers every week. I joked that before the start of this that every LinkedIn request I get, you're already a connection of that LinkedIn request. How important is it for you to talk to your internal staff as well as your external customers to get the pulse of this operations and dev and developer movement going and infused into the culture of VMware? Well, Keith, I appreciate the kind words. Listen, when we decided who to partner with and how to partner with when we had made the announcement last year, we went and talked to our customers. We're very customer and client focused as are they. And we began to hear very proportional to the market share stats, AWS, most prominently. And every one of our customers were telling us the same thing that both Andy and us were asking, which is why couldn't you get the best of both worlds? You're making a choice. Now, we had a little bit of an impediment in the sense that we had tried to build a public cloud with vCloud Air, but once we made the decision that we were getting out of that business, divested it, took care of those clients, the door really opened up. And we started a test pulse with a couple of customers under NDA. What if you were to imagine a partnership between us and Amazon? What would you think? And man, I can tell you a couple of these customers, some of who were on stage at the time of the announcement fell off their chair. This would be huge. This is going to be like a, one customer said it's going to be like a Berlin Wall moment, the US and the Soviet Union getting together. I mean, the momentum building up to it. So now what we've got to do, it's been a year later, we've shipped the release, the momentum still is pretty high there. We've got to now start to really make this actionable, get customers excited. Most of my meetings here have been with customers, system integrators, I came from one of the largest S-sites in the world. They're seeing this as a big part of the momentum. Our booth here is pretty crowded. We've got to make sure now that this, the customers can start realizing the value of what VMware and AWS have built. The other thing that, as you mentioned, that both sides did very explicitly in the design of this was to ensure that each other's engineering teams were closely embedded. So it's almost like having an engineering team of VMware embedded inside Amazon and an engineering team of Amazon embedded inside VMware. That's how closely we work together, never done before in the history of both companies. I don't think they've ever done that with anybody else. Certainly the level of try, and that represents the trust we had with each other. Sonic, I got to ask you, we were talking to some folks last night saying that you were coming on theCUBE, and I said, what should I ask Sanjay?  Hard to do, but we'll try. They said, ask him about security. So I had to ask you, because security's been Amazon's kryptonite for many years. They've done the work in the public sector, they've done the work in the cloud with security, and it's paying off of them. Security still needs to get solved. It's a solvable problem. What is your stance on security now that you've got the private and hybrid going on with the public? So anything changed? I know you got the air watch, you're proud of that, but what else is going on? Listen, I think quietly VMware has become one of the prominent brands that have been talked about in security. We had a CIO survey that I saw recently in network security where increasingly customers are talking about VMware because of NSX. When I go to the air watch conference, I look at the business cards of people and they're all in the security domain of end point security. So what we're finding is that security requires a new view of it where it can't be 6,000 vendors.  And when you buy a car, you expect a lot of the things to be solved in the core aspects of the car as opposed to buying a lot of add-ons. So our point of view first off is that security needs to be baked into the infrastructure and we're going to do that with products like NSX that bake it into the data center, with products like air watch and workspace one that bake it into the end point and with products like app defense that even take it deeper into the core of the hypervisor. Given that, we've begun to also really focus our education of customers on higher level terms. I was talking to a CIO yesterday who was educating his board on what are some of the key things in cybersecurity they need to worry about. And the CIO said this to me, the magic word that he is training all of his board members on is segmentation. Now, micro segmentation, segmentation is a very simple concept that NSX sort of pioneered. We'll find that now to become very relevant. Same. So that's paying off. Paying off big time. Wanna cry and pet you, I taught us that patching probably is a very important aspect of what people need to do. Encryption, you could argue a lot of what happened in the Equifax may have been mitigated if the data had been encrypted. Identity, multi-factor authentication. So we're seeing a couple of these key things being hygiene that we can educate people better on in security, it really is becoming a key part to our story now. You can see yourself top tier security provider.  But our point of view in security now is very well informed in helping people on the data center, to the endpoint, to the cloud and helping them with some of these key areas. And because we're so customer focused, we don't come in at this from the way a traditional security player is providing access to, you know, and we don't necessarily have a brand there, but increasingly we're finding with the success of NSX, Workspace One and the introduction of new products like AppDefense, we're building a point of security that's highly differentiated and unique. So Sanjay, big acquisition in SD WAN space. Tell us how does that postures as a security player and this acquisition in SD WAN, the edge, the cloud plays into VMware, which is traditionally a data center company, SD WAN, help us understand that acquisition. Good question. So as we saw the data center and the cloud starting to develop, right, that people understand pretty well. We began to also hear and see another aspect of what people were starting to see happen, which was the edge and increasingly IOT is one driver of that and our customer started to say to us, listen, if you're driving NSX and its success in the data center, wouldn't it be good to also have a software defined wide area network strategy that allows us to take that benefit of networking, software defined networking to the branch, to the edge. So increasingly we had a choice. Do we build that ourselves on top of NSX and build out an SD WAN capability, which we could have done, or do we go and look at our customers? We're going to start to talk, for example, we're going to talk to telcos like AT&T and they said the best solution out there is a company, the fellow cloud. We started to talk to customers who were using them and we analyzed the space and we felt it would be much faster for us to buy rather than build a story of a software defined networking story that goes from the data center to the branch and fellow cloud was well regarded. I would view this, it's early and we haven't closed the acquisitions yet, but once we close this, this has all the potential to have the type of transformative effect like an air watch or a NYSERA hat in a different way at the edge. And we think the idea of edge core, which is the data center and cloud become very key aspects of where infrastructure play and it becomes a partnership opportunity, fellow cloud will become a partnership opportunity with the telcos, with the AWS's of the world and with the traditional enterprises. So bring it all together for us. Data center, NSX, Edge, SD-WAN, air watch capability. IOT, how does all of that connect together? You should look at IOT and Edge being kind of related topics. Data center and the core being related topics. Cloud being a third and then of course the end user landscape and the endpoint being where it is. Those would be the four areas. Data center being the core of where VMware started. That's always going to be up and our stick there so to speak is that we're going to take what was done in hardware and do it in software significantly cheaper, less complex and make a lot of money then. But then we will help people bridge into the cloud and bridge into the edge. That's the core part of our strategy. Data center first, cloud edge. And then the end user world sits on top of all of that because every device today is either a phone, a tablet or a laptop. And there's no vendor that can manage the heterogeneous landscape today of Apple devices, Google devices, Apple being iOS, Mac, Android, Chrome in the case of Google or Windows 10 in the case of Microsoft. That heterogeneous landscape, managing and securing that which is what AirWatch and Workspace One does is uniquely ours. So we think this proposition of data center, cloud, edge, and end user computing, huge opportunity for VMware. So can we expect to see NSX as the core of that? Absolutely, NSX becomes to us as important as ESX was. In fact, that's kind of why we like the name. It becomes the backbone and platform for everything we do that connects the data center to the cloud. It's a key part of BMC for example. It connects the data center to the edge, hence what we're done with SD-WAN. And it's also a key part to what connects to the end user world. When you connect network security with what we're doing with AirWatch which we announced two years ago, you get magic. So we think NSX becomes a fundamental and we're only in the first or second or third inning of software-defined networking. You know, we have a few thousand customers of NSX. That's a fraction of the 500,000 customers of VMware. We think we can take that in and the networking market's an $80 billion market ripe for a lot of innovation. Sanjay, I want to get your perspective on the industry landscape. Amazon, obviously the results, I laid it out on my Forbes story and in SiliconANGLE, all the coverage, just go check it out. But basically is Amazon's going so fast, the developers are voting with their workloads. So their cloud thing is the elastic cloud, they check, they're winning and winning. You guys own the enterprise data center operating model which is private cloud, I buy that. But it's all still one cloud, IOT, I like that. The question is, how do you explain it to the people that don't know what's going on? I mean, share your color on what's happening here because this is a historic moment. There's a renaissance in software. When I'm describing this to my wife, or to my mother, or somebody who's not, and I say, listen, there's a world of tech companies that applies to the consumer. In fact, when I look at my ticker list, I divide them on consumer and enterprise. These are companies like Apple and Google and Facebook. They may have aspirations in the enterprise, but they're primarily consumer companies and those are actually what most people can relate to.  When you look at the enterprise, typically you can divide them into applications companies, companies like Salesforce, SAP, and parts of Oracle and others, Workday, and then companies in infrastructure, which is where companies like VMware and AWS and so on fit. I think what's happening is there's a significant shift because of the cloud to a whole new avenue of spending where every company has to think about themselves as a technology company. And the same thing's happening with mobile devices. So cloud, mobile security ties many of those conversations together. And there are companies that are innovators and there are companies like you described earlier, John, at the start of this show, it's going to become extinct. All right, so my thesis is this, I want to get your reaction to this. I believe a software renaissance is coming and it's going to be operated differently and you guys are already kind of telegraphing your move. So if that's the case, then a whole new guard is going to be developing. He calls it the new guard. Old guard, he refers to kind of the older guards. So my criticism of him was is that he put a Gartner slide up there. That is as old guard as you get. So Andy's promoting this whole new guard thing, yet he puts up the Gartner Magic Quadrant for infrastructure as a service. That's irrelevant to his entire presentation. Hold on, hold on, the question is, you want me to talk about Gartner? Because they're old guard. They're old guard. Don't defend them too fast. I know the buyers see it, they trust Gartner, maybe not. The point is, what are the new metrics? We need new metrics because the cloud is horizontally scalable. This integrated, you got software driving decision making. It's not about a category, it's about a fabric. Listen, I'm not here to, I'm a friend of Andy. I love what he's talked about and I'm not here to defend or criticize Gartner. But what I liked about his presentation was he showed the Gartner slide probably about 20 minutes into the presentation. He started off by his metrics of revenue and number of customers. So listen, I mean. I get that, show in momentum. Gartner gives you the number one. The number of customers is what counts the most. The most important metric is adoption. And last year he said there was about a million customers. This year he said several million. And if it's true that both startups and enterprises are adopting this, adopting, I don't mean just buying, there is momentum here. Now, irrespective, the analysts talking about this should be hopefully. All right, so I buy the customer thing and I've said that one in the queue before. Of course, Microsoft could say, we listen to customers too when we have a zillion customers running Office 365. Is that really cloud or fake cloud?  I think all of these companies will be successful. They have different strategies. Microsoft strategy is driven from Office 365 and some of what they can do in Windows into Azure. These folks have come up from the bottom up. Oracle's trying to come at it from a different angle. Google's trying to come at it from a different angle. And the good news is all of these companies have deep pockets and will invest. Amazon does have a head start. They are number one in the market. I'm going to give you phrases. Modern applications could be, so I'll buy the customer workload argument if it's defined as a modern app. Because Oracle could say I got a zillion customers too and they win on that. Those numbers are pretty strong, so is Microsoft. But to me, the cloud is showing a new model. Absolutely. So what is in your mind good metric to saying that's a modern app, that is not? I think when you can look at the modern companies like the Airbnb, the Pinterest, the Slacks, and whoever, some of them are going to make a decision to do their own infrastructure. Facebook does not put their IaaS on top of AWS or Azure or Google, they built their own data so they can afford to do it and want to do it. That's their competitive advantage. But for companies who can't, if they are building their apps on these platforms, that's one element. And then the traditional enterprises, they think about their evolution. If they're starting to adopt these platforms, and not just to migrate old applications to new ones where VMware fits in, all building new cloud native applications on there, I think that momentum is clear. When was the last time you saw a company go from zero to 18 billion in 10 years? Okay, 10, 12 years that he's been around. Or VMware or Salesforce go from zero to eight billion in the last 18 years. This phenomenon of companies like Salesforce, VMware, and AWS. It's all a scale, guys. You got to get the scale. You got to have value. This is unprecedented in the last five to 10 years. Unprecedented. These companies, I believe, are going to be the companies of the tech future. I'm not saying that the old guard, but if they don't change, they won't be the companies that people talk about. I think if you, you know, I mean, listen, the phenomenon of AWS, just going from zero to 18 is, I personally think- And growing 40% on that baseline. I mean, Andy's probably one of the greatest leaders of our modern time for his role in making that happen. But I think these are the companies that we watch carefully. These companies are growing rapidly that our customers are adopting them in the hundreds of thousands, if not millions. There is true momentum there. So Sanjay, data has gravity. Data is also the new oil. When you look at what Andy has in his arsenal, all of the data that's in S3 that he can run, all his MI and AI services against, has, that's some great honey for this audience. When I look at VMware, there's not much of a data strategy. There's a securing the data in transit, but there's not a data strategy. What is VMware's data strategy to help customers take advantage of that oil? I mean, listen, we've talked about it in terms of our data analytics, what we're doing machine learning and AI. We felt this year given so much of what we had to announce around security, software defined networking, the branch, the edge, putting more of that into VMworld, which is usually our big event where we announced this stuff, would have just crowded out people. But we began to lay the seeds of what you'll start to hear a lot more in 2018, okay? So not trying to make a spoiler alert for, but we acquired this company Wavefront that does next generation cloud native metrics and analytics. Think of it as like, you did that with AppDynamics in the old world, you're doing this with Wavefront in the new world of cloud native. We have really rethought through how all the data that we collect, whether it's on the data center or in the endpoint could be mined and become a telemetry that we actually use. We bought another company, AppTelegent, formerly called Criticism, that's allowing us to do that type of analytics on the endpoint. You're going to see a couple of these moves that are the breadcrumbs of what we'll start announcing a lot more of a comprehensive analytics strategy in 2018, which I think would be very exciting. I think the other thing we've been cautious to do is not AI wash, you know, there's a lot of cloud washing and machine learning washing that happen to companies. Now it's authentic, now I think it's authentic. When Andy talks about all they're doing in AI and machine learning, there's an authenticity to it. We want to be in the same way, have a measured, careful strategy, and you will absolutely hear from us a lot more. Thank you for bringing it up because it's something that's on our radar. Sonjay, we got to go, but thanks for coming and stopping by the queue. I know you're super busy and great to drop and see you. Always a pleasure to have you. Congratulations, Keith. It's good to talk to you again. Congratulations on all the success you're having with this show. Well, we're doing our work, getting the reports out there, reporting here on theCUBE. We've got two sets, 45,000 people, exclusive coverage on SiliconANGLE.com.  We've got a whole other day tomorrow, big night tonight, the pub crawl, meetings, VCs, I'll be out there, we'll be out there grinding it out ear to the ground, go get those stories and bring it to you. This is theCUBE live coverage from AWS re-invent 2017. We'll be back with more after this short break.


Ukraine's 57th Motorized Brigade fired artillery shells near Bakhmut on July 5, using Soviet Maid and Ukrainian Maid, NATO standard Howitzers alike. Russia said on Wednesday its forces had struck three Ukrainian army groups near Bakhmut, but Kiev set its forces, despite limited control in the long-contested city, had the Russians all but pinned down. Russia's Wagner mercenary group captured the shattered eastern city of Bakhmut in May after 10 months of fighting. The commander of a Bodana self-propelled Howitzer, which fires 155 mm NATO standard caliber shells, said since Wagner mercenary fighters had left positions in Bakhmut some time ago, Russia threw in weaker troops. The Russian army in the area has since come under fierce pressure from Ukrainian forces who threatened to encircle it. The Russian Defense Ministry made no comment in its daily briefing on reports that Russian forces had retreated from the village of Klishchivka, just southwest of Bakhmut. A Russian-installed official in eastern Ukraine denied the reports.


Call me biased because this happened to my husband, but hear me out. So an ad came up on his Facebook for a cell phone company that was giving donations to women's shelters. Listen closely to his comment. He said, Wow, it's great to see good causes like this being supported by big companies. It would be great to see the men's shelter supported as well so that we can create an equal dialogue. Super positive, super fair, super non dismissive, and frankly, he's right. He was promptly attacked by women telling him to go cry about it, go put on a dress and sleep in the street in the rain and see how it feels. I don't think they realized who they were talking to or how much it hurt. He's been homeless. He was kicked out at 17 and he's been on his own ever since. He's a recovered drug addict who has spent many nights on the streets. And guess what? There was nowhere for him to go because women's shelters are everywhere, but you are hard-pressed to find one that will take a man, especially a 17-year-old boy. But he's coming from a place of full understanding of the needs for these resources, and he has every right to ask for equality in that. And he was met with absolutely no understanding in return. If this is the kind of equality women want, count me out. Being privileged is being able to sit at home in America and tweet from your iPhone about how oppressed you are because people don't know your correct gender pronoun. Meanwhile, in other countries at the age of six years old, they're sent to mind cobalt so that you can have that lithium battery in your iPhone to tweet about how oppressed you are. So I consider myself to be an anti-feminist because the modern-day feminism movement attacks everything that it means to be a woman. They don't want to empower women for the things that make us different and special, like being able to give birth and raise kids. They don't even want to consider that a quality of a woman, but of a birthing person instead. Also, I don't hate all men, and I don't think that's cute, and I don't think it's funny, and I think the war on men is actually really disgusting. That being said, I don't think of myself as a victim. I don't think I'm oppressed because of my gender. I think I have the same rights as men, and if you have any ideas of what rights I don't have, that men do, be sure to leave that in the comments. I'm pro-women anti-feminist.  Oh, I totally agree, and I mean it's so wrong when women do it to men, too.  By now, I'm pretty sure we've all seen the 97% of women will be sexually assaulted in their lifetime videos. Whether that statistic is true or not, we will disregard for the purpose of this video. Let's assume it's true. When men say not all men are rape, I don't think they're trying to disregard the issue that is clearly at hand. I think men just don't want to be classified as rapists who are genuinely good men. Nor should we be classifying all men as rapists, or most men as rapists, or enough men as rapists. We need to be standing with men against rapists, not against men because of rapists. We're creating division right now.  We need to stand together, not tear ourselves apart. Women who falsely accuse men of rape should be prosecuted to the full extent and receive the same sentence as a rape.  You want to talk about not having self-control? Try a woman getting turned down.  You want to talk about not having self-control? Have you ever seen women grab up on men at the bar? The guy's uncomfortable and tells them to stop and they keep going because it's flirtatious and cute when they're assaulting him? Flip the other side and demand that people be all over him and throwing him out. So you know how women always preach that narrative that men hate women? Here's some statistics for you. I started this week off at about 17% women following my page. As of today, I'm at 13% of women are following my page out of that 14,000 number that you see on the top of my page. So the more that I speak on men and equal rights for men, less women followers I have. But yet, men hate women. Right. Why are we still pretending that women make less for the same job as men do? Because of misogyny. Now yes, the national average is higher for men than versus women but that's because men typically choose higher paying career paths are more aggressive or more competitive when it comes to getting raises. And women on average tend to choose lower paying jobs or jobs that they enjoy more that tend to pay less. I know because I'm one of them. I want to be an editor. I'm never going to make as much as an engineer or doctor or a lawyer or even a plumber. And when it comes to working the same job, women just aren't as competitive. They also tend to work fewer hours and they take a lot more time off for kids. That's going to lead to less experience and so less pay raises. Be more competitive, choose a higher paying job field and for the love of all that is good stop complaining. I have no feminism left in my body. I think men are better than women. She's kidding. No, I'm not. They provide for us and we must obey them because they are our master. Women love to quote the false statistic that the reason we don't have birth control for men is because the men who were in the study couldn't handle the side effects. It's their way of trying to say why men are trash and women are superior and we bear the burden of birth control. Let's shed a little light on the actual truth of that birth control study. That study took place in 2016 amongst 375 healthy men. Yes, some men did drop out of the study because of the side effects, a whopping 20. We only focus on those 20 because it furthers our agenda. The real reason that that particular birth control study didn't come to fruition is because it was halted by an independent safety review panel because that particular injectable birth control was leaving men permanently infertile against their will and in one case a man died. Alright, I did want to respond to this comment really quickly because liberal views are all about science. Let's believe in science. So if this holds true, then you have to agree with me that a man has an XY chromosome whereas a woman has an XX chromosome. Therefore, our chemical makeup is actually going to be different from each other depending on our gender. And that science is not going to change because your feelings are hurt. Therefore, you are actually taking away equality of women and men by putting biological men back into women's sports because they have a physical advantage over women. You have to agree with me there, right?  As a Latina, as an immigrant, as somebody who's gone through the process myself, as somebody who's had finally got to the dehumanizing process that Biden and Obama built, ignoring people like you are the reason this continues to happen. Instead of addressing the truth, do you care more about virtual signaling on social media and spreading misinformation? So these problems will never be addressed because you won't even acknowledge the problems. It's true, some of these kids are sent by their parents alone. A great majority of these kids, the ones that are held for longer than 48 hours are held because they can't locate their parents because the adult they were traveling with was trafficking them. Biden and Obama had no problem returning these kids to their traffickers. Because Trump issued DNA tests, these kids were not returning to their traffickers and were held for longer than 48 hours. And you could foster these kids under the Trump administration. You just don't know that because you don't care about the issue. The reason these kids are being trafficked is because they're used to make it appear like family units when they're crossing the border. And then they're sexually trafficked in America. An influx of illegal immigration means that more of these kids are trafficked. Congratulations, you encouraged this. When did the whole killing an innocent child because you can't take responsibility for your actions become a right? And I also don't support the movement kill all men. And I don't preach that porn is an uplifting resort for men. And I don't support the single motherhood right that's shooting up because the government is teaching women that we just need welfare to be happy and have a family. And if you call yourself a modern day feminist and you say that you love all women, you need a reality check because you only love the women who have the exact same mindset as you.  You're pro stripping America from all of its traditional values and pushing modern day liberalism on everyone, which is the real pandemic. The other day I was at Target and I was looking for clothes for my son. I was in the toddler section and I saw two shirts side by side. One of them was pink and it said the future is female. The one next to it was for boys and it said goofy guy.  I don't know if you guys missed biology class, but in order for there to be any kind of future at all, there needs to be females and males. And I just hate this whole idea that we're teaching children, by the way, that it's a battle between men and women who can make the most money, who can be more successful, who can run the world. It's not like that at all. The truth is we work together and that is how we build a successful future and that's what we need to be teaching our children. Men start to treat her the exact same way that they treat men. They'll start to make false allegations about her. They'll take down their social media.  This is frustrating for me.  As a woman I have somewhat of a right to complain. But men, as soon as they say, hey, this is bullshit, they're just bitching.   You know why?   It's garbage.