Okay, so this is a you're in the meet the fed 2.0 panel So how many people in the audience are feds that will admit it? What a coincidence that's really strange. How many are foreign spies? How many here are doing counterintel on the no So so the genesis of this panel was the old meet the fed panel that we've had for many years and is very successful And for a number of scheduling reasons and some screw-ups and everything That panel didn't happen this year But it was perfect because I wanted to try something new I wanted to try sort of a meet the fed 2.0 So I wanted to get the guys actually running the investigations the guys with the badges and the guns and the arrest authority and People that are chasing down, you know looking at packet logs To actually tell us like hey, what's it really like? What's going on? You know, do you sleep at all? Do you fly in all over the country? What's it like to actually be trying to protect these networks and that's why I got my friend here Darren Who I met when he wasn't in the OSI and then later on he went back. He was an agent He thought the private industry might be for him and then you're like I'm running back So he's back and and he knows everybody. He's his nickname is the mayor Yep, see it's out. It's out man And he's assembled a great team of guys representing different agencies who are active and He's gonna kind of do a little interaction with them We have a microphone up here for questions We want to make this very just transparent ask whatever's on your mind after everybody kind of gives a background and And that's about it. It's pretty simple. It's straightforward and I want to introduce Darren. So come on up here man. Thanks, sir Thank you Jeff. Well, thank you all for coming to meet the Fed 2.0 As Jeff said, I'm Darren Harvick sin and I'm an OSI special agent. I've been in OSI for 16 years spent a year out in the corporate world and and came back about a year and a half ago so Appreciate the opportunity to change a little bit on how we interact with with DEF CON in a federal agent context, but I Jeff said this is something new and and if you have worked with federal agents At all, you know, we don't beta test stuff. So we're winging this and It's either gonna crash or succeed. So but it's gonna be up to you on whether it succeeds It's based on Interaction with the audience and so once we get into the panel discussion if you would think a good questions to ask current operators About their job and how they how they go about being federal agents So so what's the agenda? We're gonna start out first and in line with tradition and Start out with a game and then we're gonna go into the panel but the game that we used to play and meet the Fed was Called spot the Lamer, but I changed it up a little I want to do a legit spot the Fed so what we're gonna do is have four individuals come up to the stage and one of them is actually a current operator and Then we're gonna have four volunteers from the audience who once a Really cool shirt that says I spotted the Fed Asked questions and one of those four whoever picks the the real Fed will get a shirt So let's start. Let's kick that off. But before we kick that off We have to sort of define what a Fed is a Fed in our context is a federal agent with a badge gun running cyber operations and investigations a as Defconn got popular and his hackers got together and and conspired to to overflow buffers agents have I've always wanted to be in that mix to to figure out what the hackers were doing. So as a practical matter hackers had to sort of Judge our audience who they're hanging out with and they wanted to spot the federal agent and It's now evolved into sort of a game and it's a game that we're gonna play now so if Billy if you could bring up our our Supposed agents so come on up here stand next to Jeff and Come on up here stand right next to Jeff and And maybe he'll even shake your hand and Be nice Come on stand right here, please. So now I need four volunteers from the audience that wants a shirt So Billy if you would help me out there and make sure they don't you know, they're not already like feds If you could stand over here by the mic, it'd be great Yeah, no sir sir because yeah the girls are up here. No Yeah, right over there by the mic So stand right there So this is how it's gonna work You guys get one question and you get to ask me. Yeah girls. Yeah, no over here guy, sir over here. Yeah, there you go So you guys get one question and you get to ask Ask the ladies one question and they all have to answer that one question And then when you all forward done with your one question Then you get to tell Billy who you think the Fed is and if one of you is right you win if you're all wrong Then you get to ask another question that cool easy, right? So who's first? What kind of question? You can ask anything they're authorized to lie and you and and so you can ask whatever you want to ask Are you a Fed? Okay, next have you ever studied non morse intercepts Would you guys want to be when you grew up when you were little? What did you guys always want to do when you grew up in your little like what was your what was your dream job? Princess. Yeah, that's good. Who was your favorite president tough call Clinton Reagan Clinton in private and then And then we'll see if we have a winner got to commit man. No, don't point So that wasn't private either and talk to Billy in private King thinking okay, do we have a winner two winners, okay? So, let's let's have to see if the audience is as good as our two winners. Okay. I'll carry it. I'm not gonna Get behind our contestants and so the audience this one What's that? Okay, look just this show of hands. So let's do that show of hands Okay This young lady, okay Ma'am, how about this young lady? Wow, wow, okay, so that's which one why Jeff Maybe that's a bad idea your handcuffs facial expressions answers Well, well, well guess what?  Yeah, I'm not Britney Spears. I don't know how to do this So so why'd you pick who you picked? I asked why what they want to be when they grew up And she said a pilot and so there's a red flag military Absolutely, what about you? When I asked who is president, I knew that this was a plant I knew Reagan was gonna be a plant. Oh, really? Okay. That's good. Well If you would Amanda step up This is Amanda and is a currently she's currently an oversight agent. She's running some of our most significant ops and It's here to represent OSI and thank you so much You don't get to go yet What's your name by the way Patrick right? Thanks for playing man. I got a shirt for you Then okay ladies. Thank you so much for playing. I really appreciate it and in tradition the Steve The folks that spotted the Fed get a shirt that says I spotted the Fed and then the Fed Gives a shirt that says I am the Fed Thank you, man. I appreciate it So now we get into the panel and thank you so much Jeff Now we get into the panel discussion the panel discussion is really you you Get to interact with a federal agent if you've never done that before it can be It can be an experience But if think about it as if you're introduced to these young men for the first time and you wanted to ask them a question Approach it like that But what I'm gonna ask them to do individually is introduce themselves introduced What agency they're from and maybe talk about their mission a little bit and then once we're done with that I'll open it up for questions. So think about good questions and we'll start off with Adam. Sir Yes, my name is Adam and I'm an investigator for the Air Force Office of Special Investigations and I've been with the Air Force now about ten years been with investigations for about half that and I'm a active service member very proud of my military service Very happy for all of you in the audience that our service members government active duty Civilians reservists et cetera. I see a lot of you out there and I just thank you for all your service I'm very proud to serve alongside you whether we've worked together or not I thank you and I look forward to our dialogue this morning. So my name is Ahmed. I'm with NASA's computer crime division In Southern, California. We're in Pasadena I've been with NASA for just a little over a year now before that. I spent just under a decade in the Air Force Half of that time with OSI were actually worked with with Adam and Darren for a few years Our our mission area is a typical computer crime Mission set, you know the computer intrusions child exploitation cases Typical forensic support to white collar crime type cases We we do it all out of our shop and I'd say most of our time is spent Investigating computer intrusions, which is probably of most interest to most of you in the room So we can chat about that as you wish. Glad to be here My name is Adam as well. I'm with NCIS out of Washington State I've been with NCIS for about five years and prior to that I was with the US Customs Service as a special agent Which has now become DHS ICE I just got back from a couple years overseas where I focused mainly on criminal forensics Not so much the network side any child pornography fraud You died suspiciously went through your computer to try to figure that out Now I'm back here in the States and starting to get into the network intrusion site My name is Ryan Assistant Special Agent in charge for Army CIDs digital forensics and research branch with our computer crime investigative unit Much like these guys. We are very network intrusion heavy, but we do a lot of other things involving all manner of things that are of interest to the Army and Department of Defense from Child exploitation to human trafficking to terrorism to all kinds of things so We have an investigative mission, but We also do a lot of our own forensic stuff the bits and the bites We're kind of a one-stop shop We're kind of unique in the army and in that way where we Are the only ones that have a law enforcement mandate that do both the investigation and the forensic examination as well So I'm very happy to be here. Thank you Thank you gentlemen, and you may recognize Adam from NCIS from his cameos on the show Proby yeah, good. So now it's your turn Anybody have any questions kick this off? Okay, sir, please step up to the mic So your name where you're from and ask your question. I'm Tyler. I'm a student at University of Berkeley Um, I noticed when you were describing your job description the first thing almost all of you mentioned was child exploitation Is this like the main priority when it comes to your divisions and is this true across all federal agencies? I guess I can start Within the Air Force, I mean we have a very limited number of Computer or cyber skilled specialists that conduct investigations and really, you know support to General crimes is actually one of our lower priorities We probably dedicate very limited resources to doing that just because the the growth of you know Intrusion activity and the damage that that causes to our network So that's probably becoming each year less and less something that's on our scope within the Air Force You know you guys can definitely talk to what your entities are doing. I don't know if you're doing any that Yeah, I mean I would say you know obviously child exploitation cases are important because the folks that are doing that type of stuff Need to be caught and need to be put behind bars and and we kind of refrain from saying what's a Bigger priority than something else. I mean it really just depends on the caseload And we try not to push stuff away So the only reason I mentioned the majority of our work is in the computer intrusion arenas because that's where the majority of The work is not because we let it bubble to the top is a bigger priority So, you know if the if the caseload is you know five child exploitation cases in one computer intrusion case So be it if it's the other way around so be it just depends on what activity what activity services and And how many you know agents we have assigned to what stuff but it's not It's certainly not something that we say oh, you know We don't have time to run that case because we're doing this because because they are important cases as well Very similar, you know, we did some it's grab bad cases whatever we get we get Unfortunately that is not a rare crime and it goes across the scope of all our agencies prior When I was with customs I was in a group solely devoted to child exploitation and that was beyond just you know Looking at pictures on the internet. Those were people actively traveling to foreign countries to do things with minors Unfortunately, it's it's just as popular as it was ten years ago It's just a crime that doesn't go away. And so I think we all devote a fair amount of time to that It's it's the same for us my particular division we focus on the intrusions But we do have digital forensic examiners that are spread out across the country will cross the world really That see a lot more of the child exploitation stuff particularly the child pornography One of the things about that crime in particular is that it gets a lot of public attention It causes a lot of public outcry It really gets a lot of media focus. So when you talk about something that pays the bills so to speak That's one of the ones that people like to focus on and the reason for it is because you know when you look at one hand You know, we're taking people that are actively praying on children creating child pornography sharing it around the world and contributing to this type of victimization versus Well, you know, we got a Romanian hacker That broke into a Department of Defense web server I mean people the general public tends to care a little bit more about one Than the other as far as an agency priority like the others we don't really Prioritize our crimes like that we take what we've got but it does receive a great deal of focus And I guess if I could just add as far as priorities It's not that it's less of a priority for my agency as a whole more less of a priority for our cyber Specialists because we're kind of constrained in terms of our effort. So we're pushing those types of cases just to General agents and trying to get their cyber skill sets more, you know more advanced so that they can still take that mission forward. So Thank you very much for your question, appreciate it. Thank you for your answer. Thanks. Yeah. Thank you very much Very good question Wondering how you got into the career where you computer scientists first and then you got recruited Were you like law or justice majors and then you got trained? It's very good question. But what's your name? Where you're from? Linda Butler Where are you from? That's a hard question for some people. You had my kind of night last night then because I don't know where I'm from right now, but So Please guys, do you want if I start with this one? Yes, you know, there's a real big debate In our field in general particularly federal law enforcement for guys that do the cyber stuff Is it easier to take a cop and turn him into a cyber guy or is it easier to take an IT person? Or somebody's computer scientist and turn him into a good cyber cop You know, it's kind of like a glass is half full or half empty debate, you know less filling tastes great It's one of those things that and I'd like to ask the fellow panel members as you go down I'd like to hear your opinion on that Our consensus has generally been it's easier to take Someone who was a cop or had a law enforcement background and turn him into a cyber guy because you can teach the cyber stuff and it's a little tougher to teach some of the You know the intuition stuff the following from point A to point B and being able to make that intuitively from B to D, you know without going through C That that But it's probably a product of where a lot of us came from I was a cop first. I was a street cop Started out in the military Thought there had to be more than just writing speeding tickets And by then I had already Got in a grad degree and a few other things and wanted to move up and move on So I started looking at investigations very quickly got focused on forensic science in particular And then computer and digital forensics after that was kind of how I got sucked in and decided that was Where I wanted to make the rest of my career on the same note I Come from a law enforcement family. I was gonna be a cop. I didn't go to school for I went school got a degree in psychology I've been kind of geeky, but by comparison. I'm not so hot when I'm here You know, I got into law enforcement and I started doing just regular general crimes customs, you know, some people smuggling dope All sorts of things and kiddie porn cases came up and like we discussed those are pretty prevalent I got my my feet wet there and doing the forensics and I've always been involved in computers and interested in Technology and I got into it there and I got a little more involved on the same note is, you know, turning a cop into an IT guy All of us I think are the same we also have, you know, we're special agents. We have this job code We also have other job codes at least with NCIS. We have computer scientists. We have a Investigative computer specialists things that we bring to the table. We may not be computer geniuses But what we bring to the table is we can go outside the office go to your house to the arrest to the search We have we bring a law enforcement angle to it. So we may not be The be all end all when it comes to the computer investigations, but we also have other positions So if you don't want to go out there and you know go through people's underwear in their house and things like that There there are other positions that you do the behind the keyboard kind of stuff and you're doing the investigations from that side But one of the benefits is that we can go outside and knock on doors and talk to people So your your vote is cop first To a degree Yes, okay Yeah to a degree. I don't know where where I'd vote on that poll.  I don't think that matters too much I mean you have to have a passion for law enforcement You have to have a passion for computer science or this industry if you have both of those things You know, if you want to catch bad guys and like computers, we whichever one comes first is It I think is irrelevant personally I mean because we we have and I'm sure army does I'm sure NCIS does And I know OSI does we have a little bit of both We have a little bit of the the geeks that became cops and then the cops that became geeks or nerds or whatever Words you want to use I Didn't I don't have a background as as a street cop first my first Introduction to law enforcement was being a computer crime investigator being an agent with OSI while I was in the Air Force so My undergrad is in computer engineering. My master's is computer science, you know resume wise. I'm probably the geek but I like to talk to people and and and and I think that's the That's the key skill set that you need to have outside of the geek stuff is Like communication skills absolutely Yeah, I think I'll win favor with the audience if I say you're way better off if you're geek first I guess I was one as well So score one for me, but no, I came from an IT background I did enterprise net ops and security And then through a friend of mine who you know was with the Air Force Investigations she pulled me in and I heard about it and I've been thrilled, you know doing this work ever since But really part of it and it kind of piggybacks on what a lot of people have said is When I look at how we shape our force you there's no cookie cutter process really We need people from a variety of backgrounds and expertise So, you know if I can get that guy that you know codes in a closet He may that be that team member that I need but then there may be some guy That's just been a great street cop that balances that team out and so You know, you can't always just say it's one way one path We need people from all over the spectrum of of geek of law enforcement of just creative thinkers People skills generally are a must being able to work with people and accomplish the mission through the support I mean the reality is in law enforcement I mean we rely on the relationships we build to get our things done there's just way too much stuff for us to work and we rely on a lot of you to help us and Having those people skills really make that happen. So Thank you. Thank you. Thank you for your question. Thank you. So I'm Carney. I'm from Florida When you're told to do a task that you morally disagree with how do you handle that? I haven't been in that situation yet. So, okay, if you were told to do a task that you morally disagree with How would you handle that? You know some something that you morally object to I think you I think in any but I don't think the law enforcement aspect to it Is Is any more or less relevant than just anything you do any job you have And you could work at Starbucks and be asked to do something. That's you know, that's that that you object to so I would say you Obviously try not to do it and try to talk your way through it with your supervisor so that you're not put in that position again I don't know if anybody else has any other thoughts on that, you know, there's there's plenty of plenty of avenues For people that work with the government if they find themselves in a morally gray situation or something That they don't agree with like Ahmed. I haven't been placed in that position yet, but there's whistleblower laws protections a lot of time in my agency has spent on Informing employees about courses that they can take if they're asked to do something that that they don't feel is right or They learn of something that they feel is Criminal or morally objectionable and ensuring that the employees are empowered to make the right decisions for themselves within The the legal and regulatory framework of federal government. Thank you Thank you. And if I can address that question briefly you could probably ask that question in any conference in any any venue And probably similar answers moral morality is Pretty much a personal choice, right? But it says law enforcement officers we Also, you know have a code of professionalism. It's based on our individual Organizations and we'll uphold those professional ideals. And so Morality is a personal choice and we have the same venues for remedy in that Environment as any other is any other workforce. So thank you again, sir Name and where you're from? my name is expo and I'm from New Brunswick, Canada and my question is as Cyber agents for each of your divisions Do you work with an informant base and how would that differ from a traditional? That of a traditional field agent if you do work with one. That's a good question We we do work with informants. It's actually not that different than a traditional field agent One of the things that we experienced a little bit more than probably the average You know general crimes agent at one of our outlying offices is we don't always have quite as much face-to-face interaction with the folks that come to our attention or or become Informants sometimes because of the nature of what we do, you know, sometimes we meet these folks online And typically there's some sort of an interface that goes just beyond, you know, like chatting On the on the net because it's difficult to verify identities and things but We do talk to and recruit Informants from all all over the place not only In what you would consider criminal elements, but also, you know regulatory agencies federal employees Corporate America just all over the place sometimes they come to us sometimes we go to them it just depends On that note, you know since represent a lot of the military organizations we have locations overseas different countries and again Our cyber divisions in each one of our agencies are just a small faction of our entire agency So we might have one person who covers 10 states or two countries or five countries So going back to what he said the same thing, you know If you're in California, but you're the next nearest guy to somebody in Utah There's you know, we have people who have sources in different states and it's mostly electronic communication I think that's the big difference is just you know with a standard informant you're meeting them face-to-face and Exchange and things with us just using technology doing it online Yeah, the only thing I'd add to that and I know we don't we don't each need to answer every single question because we're Gonna run out of time quick, but it's usually our informants are usually good guys I mean if you if you compare the type of informants that say, you know Somebody that works drug cases has and not to say that the all the informants in the drug world are bad guys There's good guys there too, but typically they they kind of have some one of a you know embattled history with drugs or access to drugs or those sorts of things Whereas a lot of times in our case, I mean the the informants are just good guys that have access to information And that are willing to help And they don't they don't have to be criminals and they never were criminals and they never will be criminals So that's probably the only distinction I'd make with in the cyber world Is that the majority of our informants are good guys too? Thanks. Thank you. Appreciate it sir Jeff from Rochester, New York. I go to RIT. It's up Chuck My question is why would you choose government or federal work over doing federal contracts for like a third party? And why did you choose that? My wife asks me out every day It's Going back to the question the young lady asked earlier You just have to have a passion for what you do and I think all of us standing up here in addition to having a passion for You know this industry we have a passion for law enforcement and it's kind of hard to I think most some of us have tried it I mean, I did try the private sector for a while and I enjoyed it It was good work, but I was never personally as you know Satisfied professionally or personally as I was when I was working law enforcement arena. It's just It's it's it's more of a passion than anything else. I mean, I suppose the The money could be more or less, you know, it really depends on on the job or the type of job you have but If if you're if you're asking You know when you mention federal contracts, I don't for me It's not necessarily the stability of the security of the government versus federal contracts because quite frankly If any of you've been watching the news lately the government really isn't that stable right now I mean, there's a lot of money problems that are going on and budget issues that quite frankly scare me a little bit And so I'm not sitting in the seat because it's a steady paycheck I'm sitting in the seat because it's it's the it's a line of work that I have a passion to do The contractors positions just don't give me a gun. So that's mine No, you know being active duty, I love the people I work with and I mean, that's a big part of it Nothing against contractors. I work with a lot of phenomenal contractors as well. And you know, they're part of the team I just I'm proud of my military service and You know, you got to weigh those options. There's advantages and disadvantages There's headaches and working for the government and the bureaucracy that we deal with and you know So you kind of got to weigh what what your interests are and what you're you know What you need best for for the life that you want. So Well, thank you. Thank you Thank you Sure My name is Nick. I'm from San Diego. Cool. Thank you. I appreciate it. Yes. Thank you So my question is kind of it's kind of on the edge and I apologize But it's in regards to child pornography, which I think like publicly and statistically is kind of exploded the most part Now, like I assume when you know, police officer, you know finds like a meth dealer a co-kit They don't have to like physically, you know, get down there and take a line to find out it's cocaine You know, there's labs and whatnot for that. But for I mean child pornography It's in regards to like a conviction. How do you how do you go about doing that? I just I would assume you have to expose yourself or a team. So like a mass Quantity of that we do we see a lot of it when I was with customs. I was I think we were the first class they started instituting a At least annual kind of well-being check to make sure that it wasn't affecting your life I know a lot of Smaller like police departments local police departments and other investigative agencies have started doing that I know some places they limit it You can only do it for two three years and you have to get out. You can't make your career out of it in those places a Lot of it, you know, it's difficult You do see a lot But you kind of you kind of got to separate yourself in the situation Especially in our line of business, you know, when you're dealing with counterfeiting or currency cases or dope cases When you see 20 million dollars, you don't see that as 20 million dollars There's no temptation like hey, I could take five bucks put it in my pocket because it's it's evidence You know, you kind of got to remove yourself in that situation and say that is that's not money That's just evidence and you kind of have to do that with the child pornography And I mean legally you guys I mean is there like things a process you have to go through things you have to sign I mean because I mean it's it's almost redundant at that point Like, you know, you're taking one thing from an area and you know, you're putting in another one I know it's really great or good, but it's still there's a I mean take these guys, but you know, I've done a decent round these cases There's there's definitely a process legal process You know though in the legal process if you're convicted or you're defendant in these cases, you know, you're you have the right to a defense So there's there's ways and there's legalities to giving you access to the evidence because if you're in a dope case or some other case Your defense team has has to have access to the evidence to review it to come up with a proper defense But there are a lot of the gals. It's not so much just signing something. It's access control Where they can view it how much they can view it? I know there's that case in the news of the guy who's defending himself from I forget what state But he's defending himself and he gets to look at his own child born again, and that's kind of the odd duck, you know It's not the everyday thing It is it is considered contraband if that's what you're asking, right? It's definitely controlled It's it's not something that's just kind of hanging around in the office that everybody can see You know the the process the analysis the forensics on the box Clearly articulating and showing what is considered child pornography. What's not Some some of that determination has already been made for us There's repositories of hash values out there that have known images that have already been analyzed over and over and over again so you don't have to dig through the image and Get three or four different experts to look at it and say whether or not, you know That the individual in the image is underage or not that that's already been done And so a lot of times it's just you know matching a value that's that's in a repository That's that's already been done a bunch of times and if that's if the count is high enough on those And you have enough for a conviction then you know Obviously you still need to treat the other stuff and get the other stuff entered in the system But you're not actually in most cases you're not taking those images and transferring those images to a repository You're usually dealing with the hash values of those images So you're not just sending child porn all over the place and as far as recent years From like in an actual reliable source is is it the contraband itself on the decline or is it still rising? in like say the United States You wouldn't happen to be a reporter would you You've got the four question syndrome going on I'm just messing with you, but please go ahead. You know just just real quick I'm not aware of the particular statistics But if we just apply a little common sense thought as as technology gets better and better Storage media gets larger and larger transmission speeds get faster and faster. It's only reasonable to expect that Crimes that depend on those things For their lifeblood like child pornography and child exploitation will become more prolific in society Cool. All right. Thanks guys. Thanks very much. Thank you so much sir Hello, I'm Wesley from Seattle Yeah, this is a yes or no answer I think given the broad expertise So got a long way to help me With arguments that I have colleagues and co-workers and whatnot so if in your opinion if I was a if I was a search engine and I was I was collecting a lot of data from the web and It came to the point where I need to decide Whether or not to store content from sites That They were proud of being Pre-teen swimsuit models. That's what they did or to so their non-membership areas Where well weird we do pre-teen swimsuit modeling Your opinion yes or no Sorry to put you on the spot like this, but the yes or no it just resolves a lot of issues for me Would I want to be affiliated with these sites in any way what I want to Index index them and be appointed to them I Wouldn't Yeah, I think for most of us up here It's all about the letter of the law if you if you read what the law says what the United States Well in this country what the United States code has to say about what's permissible and what's not It either either either is or it isn't yet So I would take my cue from that because that is what we're all called upon to enforce. Okay Got another report. Can I just quickly just follow that one was so if it was your Search engine and you were running it from your home, right? given the experience that you have and So it's right of admission reserved I would decide who comes into my index would you store that content? So would you be the pointed to that would you would you index those sites? from your personal experience I Don't I've never been put in that situation. That's a hypothetical. I mean, I can't even based on everything I'm done. I wouldn't want to be associated with any thing that's even remotely borderline Suspect chopper. I'll give you one one quick answer on that just to because I think you're part kind of want to know our personal opinions As well as so I'm not a lawyer I don't try to be a lawyer and whenever there's that you know fine line of is this okay to move forward with or not On a case I always call a lawyer the prosecutors. I don't make those calls myself But personally if it were my own company in my business and had absolutely nothing to do with my professional career I would I would probably avoid those sites myself Thank you, sir. Appreciate it sir Hi, I'm Chris from Chicago. My question is obviously you guys I don't want to go back to the cell for anything but between violent crime or offensive images or whatever else There's a lot of demands put on you by the job. How do you manage or how? How do you really balance the demands in job and what you actually go through in the course of your investigations? With being a husband or brother or boyfriend or whatever else and having a real life Very good question. It's your question. I'm gonna cry right now. Actually, I Gotta go call my family. Excuse me thinking about it and all the things I went through last night actually In the service of my country, but please There's there's always an overwhelming amount of work to be done in this industry and I mean you just got it you got to have priorities and I mean, I have a family. I'm married and I'd love to say that I leave it for every day Or did I leave it five every day that does not happen? But you know, I make it my priority to get home, you know my career goals and things like that I don't aspire to you know get to a certain level in the government I aspire to you know retire one day and have a family that I can spend time with and There's people that that sacrifice a lot of that to get their retirement or to get to a stage that they want to be at and You just have to have balance. I mean, I think balance in life is a very important thing And you have to know your priorities and make sure that you kind of keep those In check because I mean the job the job pays the bill short term But it doesn't necessarily take care of you long term. So Yeah, same the same as Adam. I mean family man kids You know that work life balance is something that you're always working on and I think everybody deals with that struggle, right? Work whether you work 10 hours a day 12 hours a day 14 hours a day You know you you you have an obligation requirement to to your job as well as your family And so just simply on the in the aspect of okay balancing, you know your professional life and your personal life Everybody does it differently, but specifically I think what you're asking is, you know, some of the day-to-day stuff that we see Like the bad people don't say the baggage that you the dealing with bad guys seeing images that would otherwise think I probably Damage you mentally in some regard which I am mentally damaged. I think at this point But no, you know, I try and turn it off I really do just I try and get home and turn it off and it's hard Sometimes it really is because you're home and you're with your kids and you're playing you watch the TV and You know, you got the you know today's case running through your head But you just do the best you can like any other thing I mean something that I picked up recently on it's funny you ask that is You know, I read so much at work Always reading, you know, whether it's investigative information or whether it's professional, you know material that I know Whether it's for the case or to educate myself I realized just last week that man I don't read anything for leisure to just get my mind off everything And so I went out and bought a couple of books that have absolutely nothing to do with anything that I'm interested in just to get my mind off of everything else and You know just sit in bed when the kids are asleep and read that helps kind of turn things off as well I echo exactly what they said and as a father just makes you Keep them more watchful on your kids. That's the only thing that's I think I've been different Of course when they get old enough to use the internet, I'll shut that off Thanks very much guys, I appreciate it. Hey, thank you very much appreciate sir Hi, I'm RFG from Northern, California I just wanted to know to what extent federal law in particular 18 USC 10 30 affects what you guys are constrained from doing or The extent to which it does not constrain you and I was also curious about your working definition of federal interest computer I'm sorry that last part again. I was interested in your definition of federal interest computer You're working definition Oh, the first part I think is easier to address The all of us act within The laws that have been passed by the by the government and the interpretation of those laws by by the courts Particularly in our organization. We have a policy. It's called CYA in this case. It's not Cover your rear. It's consult your attorney as was brought up before that is the golden rule in our organization Everything that comes in goes through a senior counsel for us and that's to help us as agents and investigators Ensure that we're acting within The scope of the laws that exist whether it be the Constitution or privacy laws or or whatever the case may be so we take that extremely seriously and Because all of us also if we violate those not only do we run the risk of losing a case But we also open ourselves up to civil liability as well So there's a great deal of focus on ensuring that we're acting within the law. We're doing everything legally Someone else want to give a definition of federal interest computing No, I'll be honest with you. I don't even know what it is.  It's it's part of federal law basically a 18 USC 10 30 Have certain constraints relative to federal interest computers and the exact definition in that term. I think is Interpretation you mean what constitutes a government computer versus a non-government interest computer under the law, okay? Basically What what what constitutes like if if something let's say you're you're you're doing an investigation And you trace something and it looks like it's on some server in I'll just I'll just pick some place Singapore, okay? and It's and it's theoretically or actually possible for you guys to penetrate that server in some sense to Access it without explicit authorization Can you then do that or are you constrained from doing that? No, we're we're not authorized under Most criminal code to penetrate any computer regardless of where it is You're getting that from when you start talking about that kind of stuff you start talking about some, you know Computer Network offensive and act yeah that that from under 18 USC We can't do now what we can do is we if it's a state side if it's a US based computer IP address or whatever We can get search warrants to effectively get everything on that computer that would be the equivalent of logging in and taking it But if it's overseas then we're at the mercy of the local law enforcement of wherever it is so if it's in a country that's That's cooperative and is willing to help then then we can usually gain access to what we need if it's in a country That doesn't want to help well then then We're at the yet, but I mean there's there's international You know interpole and those sorts of things that help with that if it's overseas, but yeah We're not penetrating anything. We don't we don't do that. Well, I have to apologize profusely really appreciate your questions But I didn't come armed today and the goons are getting ready to pull us off the stage So I don't have any other remedy except to leave Okay But I just want to say thank you so much for coming It's a great opportunity to be able to interact with you and


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In a 69 to 30 vote, nice. The Senate has actually passed its bipartisan infrastructure legislation. Now I'm gonna go out on a limb here and assume that most of my viewers have already read through all 2,700 pages of this legislation, but for the few of you who haven't yet, don't worry, I've got you covered because here is what is in the bill. This is according to Heather Long of The Washington Post. It includes 110 billion for roads and bridges, 66 billion for rail, 65 billion for power grid and broadband, 55 billion for water including replacing lead pipes, 39 billion for public transit, 25 billion for airports, 21 billion for pollution cleanup, 17 billion for ports and 7.5 billion for electric vehicle charge stations. Now a lot of this sounds great at face value, but I have to wonder if 30 Republicans voted for this, including all of the corporate Democrats and far-right Democrats, there's gotta be something off about this, right? What's the catch? Well, the catch, as Annika Sparina explains, is that the bipartisan infrastructure bill privatizes public infrastructure in section titled asset concessions. When infrastructure is privatized, corporations implement tolls and fees. Bill claims they can't charge tolls on people making $400,000 per year or less, but there's no enforcement mechanism. So there you have it. This is indeed a giveaway to corporate America and not just any ghouls from corporate America, some of the worst ghouls in corporate America who are literally ruining the environment. Because as the Intercepts Aline Brown reported on August 3rd, bipartisan infrastructure bill includes 25 billion in potential new subsidies for fossil fuels. And she explains the Senate's new bipartisan infrastructure bill is being sold as a down payment on addressing the climate crisis, but environmental advocates and academics are warning the proposed spending bill is full of new fossil fuel industry subsidies masked as climate solutions. Yeah, now in spite of the Biden administration's attempt to greenwash this legislation and make it seem as if it's an adequate solution to addressing climate change, progressive lawmakers are not falling for it. So Jamal Bowman said in a statement that the infrastructure bill does not adequately fund measures to address the climate emergency, not even close, he said, though it includes important investments in hard infrastructure like our roads and bridges, it vastly under funds public transit, electric vehicle and grid infrastructure. And he's absolutely correct about that. Now, prior to this bill getting voted on in the Senate, Congressman Ro Khanna tweeted this out. The UN's climate change report confirms that we've already warmed the globe and must act immediately to prevent it from worsening. Global warming is causing heat wave, stronger storms, flooding and droughts. The stakes are clear for the infrastructure bill, no climate, no deal. Now, what he's referring to with that last sentence is the progressive pledge to not vote for any infrastructure bill unless the Senate also takes up a reconciliation package. Now, that package is going to include all of the things that progressives want that was left out of the infrastructure proposal. And Cory Bush hinted at this yesterday as well. Today's IPCC report makes clear what we already know, the bipartisan infrastructure deal fails to address the urgency of the climate crisis. The investments we make through reconciliation must be bold and ambitious and move us closer to a green new deal. Now, in terms of what's in said reconciliation bill that's supposed to be passed alongside the infrastructure proposal, well, it is quite a bit of really, really good things that make voting for the infrastructure bill, in my opinion, worthwhile if they do indeed get all of this. So this is according to Bernie Sanders as reported by Jeff Stein of the Washington Post. It includes major funding for climate change and clean energy initiatives. On top of that, it includes universal pre-K, paid family and medical leave, a Medicare expansion that includes dental, hearing and vision and much, much more. So all of this would be incredible if it actually passes. But it all depends on the Senate's next move because if they don't actually approve this reconciliation proposal, then the House is already stating, and they've said it once, they're saying it again, we're not gonna support this. If you deny us this, all these great things in the reconciliation proposal, we're going to deny you that shiny new infrastructure deal that you just passed that I'm sure you desperately wanna, you know, brag to your constituents about. So as Jake Johnson of Common Dreams explains, in a letter to House Speaker Nancy Pelosi and Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer, three top CPC members led by caucus chair Pramila Jayapal, wrote that their fellow progressive lawmakers were specifically asked whether they would commit to withholding a yes vote on the bipartisan infrastructure deal until the Senate has passed budget reconciliation legislation deemed acceptable by the Congressional Progressive Caucus. A majority of our respondents affirmed that they would withhold their votes in support of the bipartisan legislation in the House of Representatives until the Senate adopted a robust reconciliation package, reads the letter, which was also signed by representatives Katie Porter and Ilhan Omar. So in essence, progressives in the House are saying, if you don't deliver us that reconciliation package that Bernie Sanders worked really hard on to make as good as it possibly can be, as robust as it possibly can be, you're not gonna get that infrastructure proposal. We're not gonna vote on it. We will withhold our votes. We will torpedo that infrastructure deal that corporate Democrats and Republicans desperately want to use to sell to their constituents as to why they should be reelected. And the House Congressional Progressive Caucus also tweeted about this saying, CPC members won't support a bipartisan bill without a bold reconciliation bill to advance our priorities. And that's really important. So I'm really proud of congressional progressives for standing strong and remaining firm here. That infrastructure bill, it is not worth a vote if they don't get that reconciliation proposal. Now it's tricky because in the Senate, all 50 Democrats have to vote for that reconciliation proposal and then Vice President Kamala Harris will be the tie breaking vote. But if any Democrat withholds their vote from that reconciliation package, it all is torpedoed. If Kirsten Sinema or Joe Manchin choose to not support that reconciliation package that budget chair Bernie Sanders worked on, then everything goes up in flames. And what I would suspect is gonna be an argument is if Joe Manchin or Kirsten Sinema don't support the reconciliation bill and progressives inevitably withhold votes on the infrastructure proposal in the House, well, there's gonna be this effort by the mainstream media and corporate wing of the Democratic Party to blame progressives. But no, the details were agreed upon long in advance. No climate, no deal. So you can take all of the climate related things out of the infrastructure package. So long as we get it in the reconciliation proposal, that's fine, we'll vote for the infrastructure bill. But if we don't get that reconciliation package, you don't get your infrastructure deal. That's what progressives are saying and I'm really glad that they are committed to torpedoing this bill if they don't get what they want because they got screwed out of the negotiating process in favor of allowing corporate Democrats and so-called moderate Republicans to essentially take everything that they wanted to out of the infrastructure proposal. So it's important that progressives torpedo this if they don't get that reconciliation package. So I'll keep you updated on this, but we'll see whether or not everything is gonna work out and we get both the infrastructure deal and the reconciliation package is yet to be seen. But I'm gonna remain cautiously optimistic but kind of leaning more towards pessimism and cynicism than optimism because I don't think that corporate Democrats are going to allow a reconciliation package of that size to go through easily.


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The following is a presentation of TFNN. The Trader's Edge with Steve Rhodes at 1-877-927-6648 or internationally at<PHONE_NUMBER>. The Trader's Edge. Now Steve Rhodes. Good morning, folks. Welcome to the May 25th, the terrific Thursday edition of today's Trader's Edge show. I'm your host, Steve Perseverance Rhodes, who absolutely knows that each of us should always be pioneers of our future versus prisoners of our past. Hope everyone out there is having a great day. Let's make sure we have an extraordinary one. And the easiest way to do that, well, is to always remember that life is happening for us. Not to us. That's right. When you and I can make that one little two-by-four shift, it means we can find the gift in every set of circumstance that life is going to toss at us. Now today, you and I, we're going to go check on the circumstance of these markets. We'll go figure out what those bulls and bears, what those buyers and sellers are communicating to you and I at just past 11 o'clock in the morning. I do want you to know I'm absolutely grateful for your presence here, but even more important than that. And that's this. During this next 53 minutes, I'd love to serve you so you can give us a call at<PHONE_NUMBER>. If you've got a question but you can't call in, you can always send me an email. For that, send that out to Steve at tfn.com. And inside the subject, and if you'd be good enough to write a radio show question. Now, if you're inside our Tiger's Den, and you all should be, well, any ping will do. So let's go ahead and get this show started on terrific Thursday. Of course, this is Tiger Financial News Network. I'm Steve Rhodes. Welcome to the show. Right now, we've got a mixed bag out there. The mix goes like this. The Dow's off 46. The S&P is up 31. The Nasdaq's up 300. The Russell's off 15. Summai's up 162. Trendy's up 112. But it's definitely a mix out there. Gold is off 19. And Silver's down 13 cents. While Light's Recruit is trading out 7199. That's up 44 pennies. Natural gas is off 6 cents. Trade out at 232. And the 30-Year Treasury, 125-29 is a print there. That's off 21 ticks. So what do we want to look at? Well, I think what we want to look at are these markets. What are they doing? So pretty easy with regard to levels to watch today. Really just one level. It's all about the NQ. That is the level of $13,979.25. If price closes above that, it'll negate itself signal and suggest that we move higher. Move higher to where? Excellent question. For that, we just simply go type in on the daily basis. Let's go type in the A to B equals CD pattern out here. So the A point down here on December the 28th. The B point up here on February the 2nd. February 2nd. That'd be nice if that actually, there we go. And then the C point of retracement down to the low on March the 13th. That was a 57.61 retracement. You can see that price has made the 1 to 1 A to B equals CD level. If price is able to take out this $13,979.25, the next price projection level becomes $14,591. That's a take a look at the daily NQ. If we look at the ES mini, just a good old-fashioned consolidation with inside its daily profile at this stage here. Price got back to support. That was a support level of its slightly bullish structured weekly profile, not at $4113. Yesterday's low was $4114. If we take a look at the now equity future contract, it has an A to B equals CD pattern to the downside. Its initial price target is $32,495. In the case of the Russell 2000, the profile that was formed yesterday did take hold. The numbers have shifted. 1798.50 being resistance. And now price is testing support at 1756.50. If price closes below support, I would say it is likely going to go run down to test at least its swing point from May the 4th. And that could be anywhere between the range of 1707.90 to 1743.50 out there. So to summarize, consolidation with the top inside the ES mini, you still have a Rosemont Dominicator top that's subject to what we'll see at the end of the day, whether that's going to hold or not. We've got an A to B equals CD to the downside inside the Dow, good old fashion consolidation going on inside of the Russell 2000. If we take a look at my other charts out there, the white background charts, we'll switch over, take a look at those here a moment here. We'll just take a look at any kind of counts out here that might be of interest to us. So let's go take a look, see what we have. This is the NQs chart. We'll come back to that. Let's take a look at the daily timeframe chart. So what we see out here, we don't really see much of anything else. Not anything additional other than, you do have the Dow and the Russell trading below red-octodont change lines. That's a bearish signal. The NQ trading above a green-octodont change line and trading above the top of its profile. Its overall signal is neutral, period. It gets bullish when you close about 13, 9, 7, 9, 25. If you were looking to short, okay, if you're looking to short these indices, and I'm in that camp, and I'm considering this, just simply taking that short right now, right here, right now. I won't go take a look at the intraday charts before we just say that. But what I'm basically saying is you've got the best reward risk out here. And that is, you could take it now. We're printing out at 13, 9, 58. 13, 9, 79 is the go-no-go zone out there. And if you close above it, you just simply close out that trade. Maybe wait till it gets a little bit close. Let's look at those intraday charts. Let's go see on those intraday charts if there's any kind of a pattern that we could pay attention to out here. So now on the intraday charts, what do we got? Boy, we got zip, not a zilch. The only thing we've got is a 15-minute timeframe chart that I can see that's going, well, I see another one, hold on. So on a 15-minute basis, you've got a Rosemont Dominicator top, price above profile. It's going to go target that high. It's already trading into that swing point. That high out there is at 13, 9, 76 level. So that's what the 15-minute chart says. The 240-minute chart says you've got a TD9 count top. You're above its breakdown level, 13, 9, 34. Yeah, it's going to go test that level. So now it's not the time to take that short position out there, not at least based on the way that I'm taking a look at these intraday charts out here. And on a 10-minute, we're only at wave number six, but bar number six of a TD9 count, shoot, let's go down to a five-minute chart here. Let's really get granular. And the five-minute chart says, yeah, no, there's no topping signal. So just price running into that potential resistance level at that 13, 9, 79, 25 area out there. What's the reason it goes short? Good question. What is the reason it goes short? Well, I don't know. Let's go take a look at market breadth right now. First, let's look at the short-term market breadth. And that would be the 30-minute. That's the shortest-term timeframe that I have out here. Market breadth for the NQ, let's say the S&P, and the S&P is bullish. No, I take that back. The S&P is bearish. Let's just look at the NDX one. Let's stick with one thing out here. The NDX 100 shows, at the moment, that's bullish, 49 above, 24 below. So it's going to go tag that 13, 9, 79, and it may, in fact, take that out. So let's cancel that idea out there. Let's look at the other four timeframes that we can monitor. And on those other four timeframes, what we have out here for the NASDAQ, here's where it's suggesting, okay, find a spot to consider taking that NQ short. Why? Let me just refresh this. Let me just switch over to the S&P, or let's switch over to anything, really. And we'll come back here. There we go. Yeah, we are bearish. Weekly, daily, 240 and 60. And it was bearish on that 30-minute. So it's just a couple of stocks, clearly, that are taking the markets higher out here. But if we do get it close above 13, 9, 79, 25, we're at 13, 9, 80 as we speak right now. So if you were going to take that short position, this basically would be about the time or wait for some pattern on an intraday basis out here. But it is up at resistance, so it's going to be interesting. Now, the other element that's interesting out here is let's take a look at the semis. So if we go take a look at the SMHs out here, which the SMHs yesterday formed an island top at an A to B equal CD pattern. But clearly it didn't care. That island top, that's a Gilligan's Island. That's Sayonara, baby. The question is, can these markets really top without the SMHs topping? That's the question. Steve Rhodes with TF&M. We'll be right back. 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Visit TFNN.com and try Mastering Probability 30 Days Risk-Free Today. TFNN Educating Investors. We have 205 S&Ps up, 27 Nasdaqs up, 318, they're real quickly here, not to just focus in on the Nasdaq. Let's take a look at the last 10 years of the Nasdaq 100 and get a feel for where we're at right now. It turns out that May inside the NDX 100 over the last decade has been a very good month out here. It looks to me like it is the it's either the fourth or fifth best performing month. That red vertical line right now that we're taking a look at, that shows you where we're at today. In the case of the Nasdaq 100 over the last 10 years over the last decade it doesn't really top out until about the early part of June that makes that nice bottom around the end of June, moves up higher into the July-August timeframe and then down into October. That's the normal 10-year cycle out there. We can take this back 15 years. 15 years doesn't show us anything different suggests that we should move higher. 25 years, the same kind of pattern out there suggesting the same thing. So you'd have to say that's easily speaking what we're seeing right now take place inside the NDX 100, the NQ out there and it makes that level that we were taking because it's so key to watch today and that's at 13, 979 and a quarter which is being threatened as we speak right now. So let's go take a look at a couple of stocks out here, some requests. The first one coming in from Nancy. Nancy's question is what is Apple likely to do tomorrow? So, Nancy, I think after that first 15 minutes that we went through here you've probably formulated something in your mind with regard to what it is that I'm communicating. If you haven't let me try to do that for you. And that is this. If you see a close in the NQ above 13, 979, 25 that'll tell us that we have a failed top inside the NQ with Apple being the number 2 waiting 1 or 2 waiting inside the NDX 100 you'd have to say with price here Apple being above the top of its daily profile odds would favor a move up towards that oscillator and change on a 174 97. Now I can't tell you what tomorrow is really going to do but I can give you some data points that would assist you in increasing the odds of what might unfold out here. So in the NQ I'd watch that 13, 979, 25 even if that doesn't have well let's say that doesn't happen if it doesn't happen the NQ still retains its Rosemont Dominicator top and it's not going to take away from the top it's inside the ES it's not going to take away from the A to B equal CD down inside the DAO and if the NQ close below 1756 that's telling us it wants to run lower. So in that case if that's not taken out I know you're in an options trade and you're just kind of near the break even point give or take I would just take that and take it and I heard Basil as I was logging in he was talking about somebody saying that was a gift I'd just go ahead and say that's a gift then but you can watch that 13, 979 and a quarter with a weekly chart for Apple's got a TD 9 count top the monthly chart is a you know is a it's a mixed bag out here 168.79 is the top of the profile we're above that the green also turn changeline that is a bullish kind of a signal out there if we look at Apple just to take a look at seasonly what does Apple do a PL see if we can help Nancy out this way so in the case of Apple let's go back and take a look at last decade last decade suggest just like we looked at with the NQ should go make a top in the June 7 so we're not going to see anything really different here I don't think with regard to Apple and the NQ and the NDX 100 so again it makes that resistance level really key to watch another reason to consider just simply regardless of what may or may not happen but you're close to break even is just taking that beach ball home right now is a mere fact we took a look at market inside the NDX 100 it's bearish it was bearish across the board so just gets back more towards that gift type of idea out there Nancy so with regard to a 30 minute time frame chart what is Apple communicating to you and I the case of Apple it's telling us what telling us it had a nice little bottom out there was meant to mitigate her bottom but it was unable to get across its 173 38 goal line that was a teeny nine count breakdown level out there so break out you're going to stick to add to the idea of a further move higher tomorrow you are in bar number two it looks like of a of a higher close let's pull this up on a daily basis we know that most certainly in bear markets and we do have a top out here not a bear market let's say a market with the top that typically the countertrend move would be a one to two bar typically two bar knee jerk type reaction in case they are a baffle this is going to be it looks like this would be bar number two so you're getting a lot of indications to suggest you know it just take that trade off you're close to break even and don't don't sweat it out and don't worry about it but you've got to do what you've got to do I provided you with what I've got to do which is give you that information as to where the bulls and bears are and what's going on inside the general market so hope that helps you out Daniel he also wanted to kind of keep with the theme of the NQ and he asked if we could go take a look at that DAX NQ correlation so we most certainly can we're going to switch panels out here let's get to it that's this chart right here this set of charts I should say the top portion oh that's the wrong one well we're just going to have to do this here mandoline unless I've got it in a different spot I do not so we're going to do this here differently so okay so up here we're going to put in the NQ so let's put in let's do this here let me put in just the the actual cash in now I'll put in I'll put in QQQ so that's we'll put it up at the top right in that way the profiles that are there they're going to make sense and what the quarterly oh I didn't mean that sorry about that so you guys are seeing me do this live and then you're seeing the old fat finger Steve okay so we got that let's get rid of high-grade copper so let's change this out here we'll just do this right here so let's change that out let's get back to the correlation tool let's change from copper to the DAX what's the DAX symbol on this give me a second here to get over I always forget that XET piece of it so now let's come back to the correlation tool let's open up the chart here let's go ahead and input the DAX where high-grade copper was at where's the correlation tool here we go let's get the DAX in there and let's get the DAX up here as well alright so now they're getting a correlation between the DAX and the Q's out here and don't pay attention to the profile levels inside the DAX chart you can most certainly inside of the Q's so this is well let me see what time period I've got set up on this so let's first go we have to open up this data set one more time I didn't want to edit the bar wanted to edit the chart so let's open this up one more time Dano and sorry sorry to walk you through this but it's the only way that I can do it so right now we're set to a five day that's about the smallest time frame out here that I can I can put a smaller but I can put larger time frames but let's take a look at just simply so this kind of when I look at a five day it's kind of like a daily correlation out here so here's the daily I'll pull back just a tad now when bars are above the zero line which 95% or 90 at least 90 to 95% of the bars are above the zero line the message here Dano is that there is a directional correlation directional correlation higher higher lower lower out there and if we take a look at the DAX whereas inside the cues out here the cues themselves never had a island top the what did was the SMH's out there but if we take a look at the here the cues are trading above profile but we're really going to focus on the NQ out there it's still going to maintain the same type of correlation that we're looking at but because you still have this island top you can see that island top that's out here inside of the DAX that was really one of the reasons Dano why when we were take a look at the NQs in the early stages and Steve's got a a hankering for wanting to go ahead and try to go short the cues and it's really mo it's very number of different reasons and this is another one of those reasons out there so Dano I hope that helps you out but we get back to this break we're not done with Dano we're going to go take a look at Micron and use the ticker so we're going to look at Amazon Press and PSPSW for Stash and NVIDIA for Hector you're right Dano as a precious metal gold is still king it continues to hold the most effective safe haven and hedging properties across the global major trading hubs of the London OTC market the US futures market and the Shanghai gold exchange the gold report Tom O'Brien publishes his weekly gold report every Monday morning for subscribers consisting of coverage of the XAU HUI GDX the dollar the South African Rand as well as 25 different mining equities with specific buy sell recommendations the gold report new subscribers get a 30 day money back guarantee so you have nothing to risk subscribe to Tom O'Brien's gold report newsletter now at TFNN.com you can join our community of traders for more than 20 years with live programming hosted by a variety of professional traders during market hours and now they are expanding their reach with the Tigers Den available to all Tigers and Tigresses for just $1 for the year there's no 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content streamed live on TFNN.com and TFNN's YouTube channel with Tiger TV live every market day from 8.30am to 4pm eastern for free each host is an experienced trader and gives their take on the market while taking calls and questions live from around the world from the moment the market opens until the closing bell sounds Tiger TV has 8 different shows with expert hosts to help you make the right moves with your money watch online at TFNN.com or on TFNN's YouTube channel and become the investor you were born to be TFNN Educating Investors This segment is brought to you by Think or Swim For more information just click the Think or Swim banner on the front page of TFNN.com So we're taking a look at the ticker symbol MU Micron out here it's printing out right now at about 68, 69 let me actually see if I've got a little bit of a data flow issue here or not nope we're pretty good 68, 65 is what I've got on my other screen out here so what Micron is what is Micron doing out here we're going to go back and start with the monthly time frame Dano so on the monthly time frame it's very clear to us this like the question would be why did price stop where it did today in other words why could we have identified where the sellers were at and the answer is yes right I mean this is like in any event how do we know that it was the top of that monthly profile that's at 69.77 the actual high today is 69.85 so another price is dealing with that resistance level does that mean you need to sell your position you're allowing a 58 no it does not but no one anticipated to expect that you were up at that resistance level okay so you're up at resistance on the monthly what are we doing on a weekly the weekly has busted through two levels of resistance the first was last weeks on top of its daily a pop its weekly profile at 64.44 last week it closed above its TD nine count breakdown level 65.12 the message there Dano is our price wants to now move to the next level the next level would be 86.24 as we take a look at the daily time frame do we see any kind of a topping pattern the answer is we do not all that we see here is an A to B equal CD to the upside so let's try to draw that in but I have to try to draw it in we're going to draw it in so give me a moment here just get rid of this A to B equal CD to downside so we'll draw the A to B we'll just simply move the B A to B line over to the C point just to give us an approximate area of where this is headed to so we can see that we are already past the one to one level out here and so what you're watching for is some type of bearish reversal candle if you're not familiar with your bearish reversal candles Dano you can subscribe to Mastery Probability there's two workshops out there there's at least one that will go through the seven bullish or the seven bearish candles once you learn one you will then know the opposite and then you'll know exactly what to be looking for and what to pay attention to so you've got the A to B CD pattern that is in place out here and now as far as a top would be concerned it would only be a bearish reversal candle that would in fact generate that for you if we take a look at on the it's nothing else for me really to take a look at so how are we going to call Micron Micron is dealing with the sellers that reside on the top of the monthly profile that's at 6977 we're not seeing any reasons to sell but you know you want to have your seat belts fastened so Dano that is a moo and that's of course Tiger Woods well used to be his favorite sake it was about a decade ago when he was up in the Orlando-ish area so let's go on to our next request out here next request coming from S&P and S&P wants to take a look at Amazon Amazon which does have a TD 9 count top it's just simply consolidating S&P with inside its daily profile now what we can see here is this a bearish structured profile so the sell zone is between 11580 and 11767 the price were to close above 11860 it negates the TD 9 count top it says that we had much higher now Amazon very much like the NQ or very much like the NDX 100 has a daily TD 9 count top and a weekly TD 9 count top out there all the reasons for us to be cautious now in the case of Amazon the monthly resistance level that it's dealing with is that oscillator and change line so resistance on the monthly are top on the weekly a top on the daily and right now prices below its green oscillator and change line S&P I would not be surprised if we see Amazon at least go target the bottom of its daily profile out there and it's very possible that what yesterday was was the B point the C point of an A to be small A to B equal CD to the downside out there we're not going to worry about that now the swing point from two days ago did volume of 67 million shares so far we've done 25 so it does look like we are pushing lower with volume but that could slow down at day's end so that's what I see when I take look at the amazing one and that is Amazon so I do hope that helps out S&P and you have yourself a terrific Thursday the next request out here coming in by email so let me get over and actually see what the question is it's SBSW a must sell and that's coming from stash a must sell well this is trading below a TD 9 count daily TD 9 count bottom today so it looks like that pattern is going to get negated so if you were long this closing below that suggests lower price the weekly chart does not have a bottoming signal the weekly chart says it would need a bullish reversal candle and if that were to form then it would generate a roadsman to indicator bottom on a monthly time frame in the month is not over we're nearing that but price right now is trading below its breakout level at 739 it's not a ton below it but it is still below it so SBSW does not look good so stash you are right here it looks like it's now when you say it's a must sell it's not a must short but our price is headed lower well it looks that way because I don't see any bottom signals whatsoever for any kind of a time frame out here and in fact on the weekly basis let me see here if we have a confirmed A to B equal CD to the downside so the B point has volume of I'm looking at my other screen 20 million shares and it was closed below last week with 15-3 and you're only at 9.5 so you're still trading below this swing point it doesn't mean you don't have an A to B equal CD to the downside just means you don't have a confirmed one how about the monthly chart monthly swing point had volume of 75 million shares you're at 68 right now hmm so you could get a monthly you could get a monthly A to B equal CD to the downside but stash I'm with you I'm on board with you there's no reason to be holding a long position in SBSW at least none that I can find so I think you're right on the ball there thanks much for taking the time to write in the next request coming in from Hector Hector and Patty they want to take a look at N Bidia and Bidia on a roll that's an understatement out here trading out at 388 and change out there but if we're looking for topping signals well we just simply don't have them this is negating a monthly TD 9 count top out there it's looking pretty darn beautiful the question is where is Amazon headed to so for that I think we're going to go back to the black background screen so if give me a moment here we'll change over to those we'll pull up our throw we do have the three background charts up there and BDA and mostly going to be focused on long term charts out here so let's open these up and now let's take a look at Fibonacci expansions let's look at the long term A to B equal CD points but first let's look at the Fibonacci expansions so let's get that tool all set here this is N Bidia this is a monthly timeframe that we're taking a look at out here let's go to expansions we're going to go from the swing point high of November of 2021 down to the low of October of 2022 so the 1.272 expansion of that set of swing points is at 411.30 so I would say that the next price target area is 411.30 now there's no topping signals whatsoever now if in the case of N Bidia if we were to gap down let's say tomorrow there were to gap down but that could create a major island top out there but that's only if and let's not worry about ifs out here the swing point that Amazon is dealing with on a monthly basis did volume of 1.08 million we're at 845 so it's going to come in lighter doesn't mean it's not an A to B equal CD to the upside do I dare draw that in if I were to draw that in well I guess I'm going to dare to draw that in the A point you'd start all the way back here in 2018 that's your A point your B point is out at that swing that we looked at November 2021 we know the C point out here and so 1 to 1 A to B equal CD well that only gets us up to about the 423 level but look where this is trading on the left hand side Steve Rhodes with TFNN we'll be right back Hector it's headed higher you might think that 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American and T.S.X. under the symbol VGZ 200 S&Ps up 18 NASDAQ 126 the upside Brussels down 25 some eyes up 168 that's over a 5% move out there that is a big move inside the SMH we'll take a look at those momentarily the first let's take a look at a couple of requests out here the first one is a take look at XBI this for McGuppy I guess I didn't have that ready for us I thought I did but let's let's let's get it let's let's get it ready do we take care of Amazon yeah I think we took care of Amazon so let's go to XBI let's throw that up here and see what we've got I think it was another request was for Moderna MRNA okay and we are right MRNA okay so we take a look at XBI so XBI form a TD9 remains in place out here there may be even an A to B equal CD pattern to the upside it doesn't yeah there was there was even that but this TD9 account top is still the one that has capped off the highs out there now what we've got is prices trading below the bottom of its profile and so I would say that if XBI closes below 8386 today what that's signaling to you and I McGuppy has moved down to its breakout level of 7947 now that's a daily chart let's go take a look at the weekly chart is in bar number 8 of a TD9 count that should complete this week but the bar number 9 would need to close of a bar number 5 out here so likely the TD9 count is really subject to not forming out here but what we can say is that with the daily trading below profile support it should take the weekly chart back to its oscillator and change line so right now McGuppy we have both 7947 to 80 to 8107 as the price target area and then we look at the monthly chart it's an oscillator and change line is going to act as a real key level of resistance out there so it does look like XBI wants to continue to move lower out there and 7947 is being a target area 30 minute timeframe chart does not have a bottom signal it is in wave number 7 that's extended itself out there that could be a bottom that way that gets confirmed is what they need to do to get higher low on a 30 minute timeframe out here so XBI this will be day number 2 up consecutive moves to the downside out there you know in this bearish mode here it typically does looks like four days fairly often out there four day moves to the downside so it does look like you've got some some poor weather conditions for XBI McGuppy so I do hope that that helps you out and thanks much for taking the time to write in let's go check out what's going on here this is a ticker symbol well that's not it I swore I put it in there that's not it well XBI can swear all he wants he's going to have to oh there it is there we go so now we take a look at Moderna this generated a nice bullish roadsman demindicator bottom it didn't want to generate that bullish hammer candle back on May 18 and it took price on the daily basis up to where that it did yesterday that's a strong level of resistance so who wanted Moderna Moderna was ELO so ELO you've got strong resistance up at that 138 that oscillator and change line on the weekly time frame monthly charts got no bottom signal in your below profile so that's not I take it back it's got a TD 9 count bottom that is led to the bottom of its weekly profile the bottom which weekly profile is also the center TD 9 count bottom that is led to a sideways consolidation and basically it's been consolidating like that since June of 2022 so for one year Moderna has been consolidating out there so what's the likely outcome don't know prices back inside its daily profile it's open up the daily time frame let's try to give the best George Kell play-by-play that we can out here you're back inside the profile remember the bottom is 123.84 that's a likely target 126.39 is the center of its profile that's where it's trading right now and the top was up at 131.50 so it should at least target 126.07 it's also going to change on you get below that the bottom of the profile as far as volume the swing point out here on May 17th was 2.5 million shares so far today you've done 1.2 so you're moving into that swing point with a pretty good volume it should go test at least the top of that swing the top is at 126.99 and the bottom of that daily profile is at 123.84 that's the zone where Moderna is targeting so hope that helps you out ELO and thanks much for taking the time to write in any other requests so those and I remember are the donors to the magnificent nine winners that's a way to take a look at it okay so no other requests out there let's pull up the SMH is actually any divergences in the VIX good question so let's so it's a question we're going to have to answer that question Fletch we've got to switch screens so let's go take a look at that to do that we'll go over to our black background charts and I need to get something that says VIX where did I put those charts might be closed out here we go VIX primary now with regard to divergences let's pull up that chart which one is it is it this one was it that one that wasn't that one Okidoki is it this one there we go okay so here's our divergence chart so on divergences let me just move this to the downside so on the VIX we really don't because the VIX here if we take a look at this Fletch what we can see I'll draw in a line let me get over here to a line tool so here what we can see is that we've got a rising VIX which is about that arrow and we have falling price in the ESMini so no divergences there good question but no divergences that we've got out here with regard to the ESMini and that's what the VIX is really taking a look at out there so I don't think any reason for us to go further but great question and thanks much for taking the time to ask SMHs we're going to go take a look at the SMHs because you know I post that well you know what let's stand the black background charts out here let's take a look at the SMHs let's try to figure out if we can figure out what they are doing so the SMHs well that's pretty cool I'm glad that we pulled that up what are the SMHs doing here is Stevie thought these things were headed to the moon and now that we find that out or that we pull up these charts we find out well maybe not so fast why is that it's located at $140.03 the high so far today is $140.25 price to trade out right now $139.63 so the SMHs if they are going to generate this what looks like a very bullish set of charts out here we're going to need to see it close above $140.03 and if we get that well then we're likely going to go target its highs out here now the highs inside of the SMHs the actual high came in was it $159.34 $159.41 it was the month of November of 2021 the volume out there was $170 million shares but even if we close in it which looks like we will with lighter volume it still could move up and test the top so it makes that $140.03 a real key level for us to be watching with regard to the SMHs no reason for us to go on to the daily weekly at this stage and try to identify A to B because they just don't mean a thing until SMH has that swing and that swing would be a close above $140.03 you got the ESMini or the S&P trading up $917 points the Dow is down $199 the Russell is off $24 where is the Dow likely headed that's a great question I think we can probably answer that by looking at its horizontal trading range what do you think it's headed to let's answer that question if you're looking for potential trading setups in the stock market then Rocket Equities & Options Report is a newsletter you should try Tommy O'Brien delivers options and equity trades when the markets present them using a combination of fundamentals and technicals Sign up for Rocket Equities & Options Report today with a 30 day money back guarantee so you have nothing to risk for all the details and to start your subscription today on the print page of TFNN.com TFNN Educating Investors you might think that if you want to be successful at trading in the stock market you're going to need a 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available to all tigers and traders for just one dollar for the year there's no cash or added costs when you join our community of traders sign up today and become a part of this educational community of traders just visit the front page of TFNN.com folks so the chart that we've got up on our screen out here this is the chart for the Dow cash industry this is the weekly time frame those green horizontal lines that you see those are referred to as horizontal trading range lines this is a tool or technique that was taken from Bud Rolfe's long time contributor here at TFNN all of his work was done manually I loved what he did and that just simply automated that process when I say automated the process what the process is doing right now it's taking all of this data that is on the screen so this data here takes us back to 1997 so it's taking all of that data and what it's identifying on a weekly basis are the opens and it's looking for the largest number of opens and closes turns out in the Dow Jones cash that level would be 10, 5, 58 that's 186 times on a weekly basis price open and close at about that area the next largest number came in at 13179 there was 46 of those that set up the horizontal trading range then it's easy once you've got that distance then you have the exact same distance for all the lines above and below now the vertical lines those are your channel lines out here so from a horizontal standpoint we know that 34152 has been a strong area of resistance inside of the Dow on a weekly basis we've seen 13 opens and closes at that level so you can't bust them up what do you try to do you try to bust them back to the downside and the downside out there would turn out to be about 31530 it really is 31530 but you do have that also the rising trend line out there so no idea price is likely headed to inside of the Dow it couldn't bust out that horizontal trading range at 34152 now it's going to go try and target the bottom of the rising price channel as well as the horizontal training range that is acted as support at least 8 times during the last about a year or less than a year out there so that's what's going on the market let's just make it real simple today just one thing that you've got to watch and that one thing better watch is the NQ and that level is at the $999.25 if you close above that there's no top at least inside the NDX100 folks stay tuned for all the great programming I'll see you back here on fantastic Friday he's having terrific Thursday take care