Alright, so we'll get started with just some introductions and everything as some folks join in, please keep in mind throughout the session that if you have any questions, we would love to hear from you in our Q&A function. So you can drop questions into that Q&A box and I'll be passing them along to our panelists as we go. You can also turn on closed captioning as part of your Zoom menu if that would enhance your accessibility experience. So again, welcome everyone to our session of liquid margins today. Hi, my name is Christy DeCarolis. I'm a customer success manager here at Hypothesis and an instructional designer. And I also adjunct and use hypothesis in my own courses, but really I'm just serving as our emcee for the day. And we have two panelists that are joining us and I will let them introduce themselves. Christy, do you mind starting with a quick introduction? Sure. Hi everyone, I'm Kristen Palosado. And as you can see on the slide, I'm at Kingsborough Community College in New York City. And our campus is right on the ocean, like it's 50 feet from my window here, although it's terrible weather today. And I'm really happy to be here and share my experiences using Hypothesis. Thanks so much for joining, Kristen. Yeah, I'm in New Jersey in the East Coast really. I feel like it's been raining here for like, I don't know. I'm Francie, do you mind introducing yourself? Hi, I'm Francie Quasburyman. I teach at Cerritos College, which is in Southern California. So I'm on the opposite side of the country right now. I think I said I teach English. Yeah, there. Thanks so much. Hopefully it's not raining so much there. No, it's very sunny, although I'm heading your way in a couple of days. So I hope it's sunny when I get there. Yeah, hopefully it'll clear up a little bit. Alright, so now that we've done our introductions, I'm going to stop my screen share so we can dive into our discussion about Hypothesis. So I first just want to start out by getting a sense of how you've used Hypothesis in your courses before we get into results. So Francie, since you went second for introductions, do you mind just sharing what problems you were hoping to solve with Hypothesis? Like why did you turn into Hypothesis in the first place? When I first tried out Hypothesis, it was in my readings in drama class. And when I was originally scheduled to teach the class, it was pre-pandemic. So I wasn't expecting to teach it online. And the first semester, quite honestly, was a disaster. I wasn't using Hypothesis at the time. I was trying to just do regular discussion boards. So they were reading in one place and then discussing the text in another place and the engagement was low. It was just, it was miserable. And then the next year, but before I taught it the next time, I was introduced to Hypothesis and it was really a game changer because the discussion wasn't happening separately from the reading. They had the reading and they could, I could post resources for them to help them understand how to read the play and then they could discuss the play in the same space. So I was able to layer resources and the discussion together and it transformed the engagement in that process. So that was how I got started with it. Hi, while we're on that subject, can you explain a little bit more how you integrate it into your courses? Do you, like, do you use it with every reading that the students are doing? Or do you just use it in very specific instances? So now I'm using it, I use it for all kinds of things. Obviously in the drama class, we're reading the plays using that. In my freshman comp class, I'm using it with the readings. I'm using it with YouTube videos that they're watching. I'm having them review the syllabus on Hypothesis so they can ask questions on the syllabus. I'm having them read the essay prompts that way. So I'm using it for all kinds of things now. And again, all my classes are online. So it's a way for me to answer questions for everyone, especially when we're looking at the essay prompts. I can answer questions for everyone in that space so everyone can see the answers. I can also see if they're focusing on the things I want them to focus on and if they're not, I can say, hey, I didn't see anybody commenting on this, but I want to bring that to your attention. So it's a way for me to monitor what they're focusing on as they're reading. It's a way to engage in a conversation about the reading. It's just, there's so many things you can do with it. Yeah, I can't imagine teaching without it at this point. I totally agree. Thanks for sharing. And Kristen, what about you? What problems were you hoping to solve with Hypothesis? What made you turn to the tool? So other people on my campus faculty had been using this tool and there was a little bit of buzz. And I was like, oh, okay, Hypothesis must be definitely STEM related. But it wasn't at all. And so at first I was like, oh, okay, well, I don't need, we don't annotate in this class. Right. But then, as we were merging from the pandemic. And I realized that, you know, something terrible happened to these poor students during this pandemic. And they were really struggling to climb back out of this hole. And, you know, we're doing, we went not back to fully in person, but back to hybrid classes. So they didn't have me as this like live guide. Let's read this little section together. Let's discuss this. They just saw me in lab. And that was it. And they were just struggling with this material because they needed to discuss it and talk. And discussion group was not the way to do that. I'm sure a lot of you have had that experience with discussion groups on the learning management system. So I took, I think it was the first cohort that Christie did this Hypothesis Academy was like two years ago now. Anyway, whenever it was a year ago, maybe. And I was like, Oh, this could really solve that problem of a way to discuss the material and interact about it. That could actually work virtually, not like the, I don't know why the discussion board wasn't the way I envisioned, but it wasn't. So I thought, let me try this because it's very user friendly. And it's quick for students and kind of like Francie was saying, when you're reading is when you're, you're responding like in your head usually. But if you can make the notes right there to the other people and the instructor, that's much better than having to remember it later in class to bring it up. Anyway, or to write it in a separate notebook. So that's the problem I was looking to solve is that kind of engagement and interaction. When you're not together that gets the same result that that you get when you are together. So that was my journey to starting using it. So, okay, so it sounds like Francie is teaching online courses and you're teaching hybrid courses. Did you notice that the annotations impacted your in person meetings at all after the students were annotating. Yes. So, first of all, they were getting to know each other a little better, which was almost like, I didn't think that would happen. I thought, oh, you get to know people when you're sitting next to them in lab and working on something together and they did, but they I would hear them referring back to a conversation they've been having on hypothesis and like extending it when they came into lab, and we're working, or Oh, did you see so and so posted a video about this that can help explain it better. If you look on the PowerPoint we were annotating or whatever. And that was really nice than what and that's what kind of convinced me. Oh, this really is an interaction they're not I was grading it. It was for a grade the annotations but they were doing it for other reasons to which is why not just to get those points. It's great that they're kind of bringing it in. I guess that's similar to like them getting to know each other on like Snapchat or tick tock or whatever the hot social media of the day is, and you know, I don't even know at this point. To kind of go back to those particular conversations and hypothesis. When I talk to faculty I hear a lot about it can be difficult to get students to make meaningful annotations and to have conversations that are going to impact their learning. Francy, what kinds of prompts or instructions do you typically give to students in order to make those successful conversations happen. So I also did the hypothesis Academy so I've used a lot of the strategies that I got from that so my favorite one is the sit responses so they have to identify something surprising. Something interesting and something troubling or tricky. So I've used that one a lot. I also I do have word count requirements on the responses and they have so and they have a certain number they have to do. But one of the things I tried to do to kind of relax them a little bit about that is I just did here's what you know 50 words looks like here's what 100 words look like here's what 25 words looks like. So they could see it's not really that much. If you just have a thoughtful response, you can pretty easily come up with that word count so don't get hung up on the word count. Try to think about what do I think about this and trying to push them to think more deeply about that. So that's usually how I get them engaged in the readings and drama class I do push them to engage throughout the play. I have had students who they they're just hoop jumping and okay I got my couple of things in. But I'm also not giving full credit for that you know I want to see that you're engaging with the whole play. And once they do that and I can and this this last week was fun we were reading the curious incident of the dog in the nighttime. And it's a mystery. And as things were happening you know they were trying to make predictions because we were focusing on foreshadowing and they were trying to make predictions and then when they got to some of the reveals. And it was crazy in the comments and it was fun to watch that interaction happening as a word. Oh my gosh I didn't expect to see that happening either. Oh, you know and I really appreciated seeing that level of engagement with the play so. The requirements help, but once they can get engaged in the material I think sometimes in it. Like you were saying Christian kind of takes on a life of its own. And you also mentioned that sometimes you'll go and like add your own annotations to add additional resources or context. Do students typically like reply to those or they just like standalone. And do students ever bring in outside resources as well. Yes. So in the readings and drama class I am trying to help them understand how to read the plays so there's, I'm trying to show the structure here's a structure of the play for this particular play here's some things to watch for look like you can see it happening right here. So I do add that I also add a lot of resources a lot of the plays we're reading are based on actual historical events. So I provide a lot of resources that will help them make those connections and see those connections. And I encourage them hey if you find a link to a production or if you find, you know somebody doing a monologue or performing this. Yes, share that video with us and they do. So I always appreciate that I don't participate so much in the discussions in the English 100 because I'm trying not to sway because they're persuasive topics. And I don't want to sway they're thinking about those one way or the other I really want them to be free to discuss those ideas. So in the first reading I have them do I do have questions and I show them how to do things but it's me demonstrating here's what it looks like, and giving them space to respond but once they've learned how to use the tool. Then I kind of stay out of it a little bit more until we're doing the responses because we'll do the initial post and then we'll have another time space to do the responses to those. And then I'll get in and comment a little bit, but I'm trying to be a little bit hands off in there. I'm much more engaged in the drama class because we're discussing the text in a different way. Yeah, that definitely makes sense to change the way you're interacting depending on what the goals for the particular text are. Kristen, I heard you mentioned in our earlier comments something about students annotating PowerPoints. What types of documents do you typically have students annotating and what kinds of instructions do you give them in order to get them to make annotations that are meaningful or helpful for their learning. It's funny that I threw that out there because that's the type of document they least often annotate. PowerPoints that much for my for what we're doing, but I start like Francis that I started with the syllabus, which is not when I first used hypothesis that's not what I was doing. But now I do, I ended up taking a professional development seminar on equity and revamped our syllabi and then one of the things I wanted to do was have student input into the syllabus that used hypothesis to do it. So that was one type of document. And then videos that are short that are about a particular concept for the week. And then I have a list of very detailed learning objectives for each week. And I've had them annotate that. And sometimes I have them annotate research articles like primary literature or even an article from the newspaper that relates to our topic for the week. So whatever I feel like the possibilities are endless. I keep finding new new things they can do with hypothesis as far as as helping them to make a comment that's adding to their learning. In the in the Hypothesis Academy, there were a lot of example assignments, and I borrowed heavily from the first. And what surprised me so much, because of my experience with discussion boards where you had to keep repeating the rubric even though it was like, clear, they just weren't earning the points because they weren't saying anything to substantive or whatever. With, with the instructions we had from Hypothesis, they seem to get it instantly the whole class, not just that upper third that you know, things come easy for but everyone understood how to make a comment that was substantive or that was a question or that was a disagreement with the preview. It was so easy for them. And so I just keep using those same, you know, modified a little bit to fit my classes, instructions that I got in the very first Hypothesis Academy and students are doing it brilliantly and then they take off on their own like we've been saying you don't have to worry at all. And for Auntie mentioned a couple of different approaches with how much she participates in the annotations. What do you tend to do do you kind of like let the students go off on their own conversations, or do you go in and like model annotations, especially with like research articles and things like that. Yeah, totally like you said, totally depends what it is. But I haven't found that I always kind of check as they're getting started with something that they, you know, not quite sure what to say or, but I haven't found that I need to say much. And lately I start just scanning for the spots where someone saying maybe the professor can chime in when they're not sure of an answer. Right. And that's the only place I need to say anything. But if if we're like working on the syllabus together, then I have a lot more to say back to them. So it just depends what kind of, you know, activity we're engaged in. Yeah, that makes sense. And the thing that's the most intriguing for me and kind of connects to, I think that the case that you will look at a little bit more later is how you had them annotate learning objectives. What types of annotations are they making when when they're reviewing those learning objectives. So I used, I don't remember the acronym, but some kind of acronym so they could do one of four or five things. Right. So either they were going to write that the learning objectives are worded kind of like an exam question, like a short essay. They could just answer it in their own words, which I was like, I'm just going to ask AI to do it, but it doesn't seem like many of them did. But, or they could ask a clarifying question about it, or they could bring in an outside resource to post that they thought was good for explaining that objective. And those are only three, but there were like four things that could do in response to that to get their credit. And it's usually a list of like 10 or 12 objectives for the week, and they had to post five five annotations and respond to a couple of other people's something like that. Okay, great. It sounds like it'll be an interesting. That's one thing I haven't had my students see as an IT learning objectives. So I'm trying to get my own ideas here too. Okay, the only problem with that was I should have done it in groups, because when you got only 12 objectives for the week and there's 20 people commenting, they can't come up with enough new stuff to say, and it's very messy. It's not not very functional. And I didn't have them. I didn't have them do that the next semester, but if I did it again, it would definitely be in smaller groups. Okay, yeah, that makes a lot of sense. Great. So we have heard about kind of how you've been using hypothesis in the classroom. Can you talk a little bit about the changes you've seen in your own teaching style and in student learning in your courses since you started using hypothesis teaching style. If any, it could be nothing. I think that with the reading and the changes in the reading that there's just more engagement with it, because before, okay, I'm not going to have a discussion board about everything. I would have, you know, sometimes have them read things and then it's, you're going to use it later, but we're not going to necessarily do anything with it now. And I know full well when I do that nobody's reading it, they're just not. So, I think now because I am having them engage in some way with all of the texts that that's been a big change. And so it's also trying to balance the workload, knowing that now I'm asking them to engage in the tech so it is going to take longer for them to go through this particular reading. So maybe I trim it down and we don't read quite so many things we just focus more deeply on a couple of things that are going to really help us develop the essays that we're going to develop. And then with the readings and drama class it's completely different because again before the resources would be there but they weren't, I wasn't showing them where the resources connected to the text, where now I can show them exactly where those resources connect to the text, because before all the resources would be over here and they're on a list and they're available for you to look at and I'll have information about how they connect, but you still have to make that that leap. And so now I can make it right there for them. Yeah, and sometimes I always wonder if it's like separate will they actually go click on it, but if it's something that they need when they're reading maybe if it's right there they'll actually click because they're like oh this can help me understand. So do you this might I'm not sure how difficult this may be to kind of assess with fully online courses but do you feel like the interactions among your students have changed with hypothesis. Well, it from what I see online I would say yes, I don't. Well there are still definitely students who are hoop jumping for points. I also see that there are students who are genuinely engaged in the dialogue. Where I when it was on the discussion board, I just, it all felt like hoop jumping. It's, you know, here's my post here's my two responses. That was it. But now I see far more students who are going above and beyond what the minimum expectation is, and really engaging with their classmates, and I can see it because it's so easy to see. And like you were talking about answering questions to the tags make that so much easier because I can go. I encourage them to use the tags, you know so they could put question or whatever and then it's easier for me to go through and spot those and respond quickly to any questions that pop up. Yeah, I think that's probably the most frequent use of the tags that I see is people trying to, you know, really easily surface the questions that come up. So if you haven't used those before Kristen that might be a good thing to explore in the future. So what about you Kristen has any other thing about your teaching approach changed since you started implementing hypothesis. Yeah, so because I had done this shotgun approach let's use hypothesis for everything. I could see now how students were engaging with the various resources. And so they always had a textbook, but I never knew how they engaged with it. And now I can see so they the textbooks online, they can annotate and I can see kind of how much they really like it or get out of it, more than I ever could before. And also which parts of it speak to them and which parts seem kind of useless to all of that, and kind of skipping to make this story short. I wasn't so sure the textbook was as valuable as I thought it was, and as valuable as a date. They would die if they didn't have a textbook but the truth is they wouldn't. They just feel like you've got to have a textbook. But for me that was a eye opener. I'm like, I'm not sure we really need a textbook in this class. In fact, I'm not sure it's not making things harder for them to learn what I'm really getting at. They're trying to just memorize a bunch of details instead. Anyway, so that was a big change for me and I really deemphasize the textbook now. It's still there because they would die if I didn't give them one. But there's no like graded assignments based on the textbook and I say right in the syllabus. These are the resources we have for mastering learning objectives the same set of resources every week textbook is one of them but notice that it's not at the top. If you like it by all means use it, but it's free anyway, but you don't have to use it to do well in this class. So that was a big change for me to see how to see how a textbook works for students. Yeah, that does sound like a big change and I know you already mentioned how you saw a change in student engagement in class because of the annotations they were doing outside of class as well. So, I'm wondering because we both you both of you mentioned. Rating briefly, and this is something that I get a lot of questions about when I talk to a faculty. Because there's so many different ways you can use hypothesis to also so many different ways you could grade annotations.  So, so far, I've always attached some points to them. It just depends what it is like even for the syllabus I wanted them to chime in with their ideas so I made it to points, something small, but they'll do it. They like points. And because it's integrated with the LMS pretty easy the only, actually, I, maybe you've already fixed this because I know it was on the list. The default points were always the same, like I could make it whatever points I wanted but on hypothesis it was always 10 or 20 something like that. So that was a little annoying but not even that wasn't even that annoying. I just would grade. Did they do what I said in the rubric they should. Okay, so it doesn't matter if the comments were long or short or whatever did they do the 10 I asked, and it wasn't just. I know that's really cool, or thank you, right, or good job. And because I needed time to get through all of that grading. So, if I'm trying to say more to them. I've realized I have to assign less so if I want to make it sort of based on articles that we're going to go into deeply where I really want to have a conversation. And it's going to take a lot longer to to assess their work. And so maybe I do five of those a semester, and not all the annotations of learning objectives and stuff I'm still kind of finding that balance for grading. But, you know, from the technical side, it's really easy hypothesis has made it really easy. It's well integrated to the LMS. Yeah, that makes sense. And I'll have to follow up with your school to see if they are on the correct version to get that change where the point value should be whatever you make it. Now, yeah. I'm not teaching this semester. So I'm not quite sure. Yeah. What about you, Francie, how do you tend to assess the students with their annotations for the, because they're English classes I do need to see that they're writing. So they have word count minimums that they have to do. And then there's a specific number of posts that they have to do posts and then responses to classmates. But they're, they're very quick to grade. Again, I get more involved in the readings and drama class because that's more of a discussion. So I am and they're responding to them. But in the freshman comp class where they're reading through an article they're going to later use for an essay. I can very quickly glance at those make sure they're on topic.  And was it generated by AI. So I every once in a while I'll pull them and check them. And yeah, no, dude, I don't know what you're doing. So I do check those. But you still use that part usually grades pretty quickly. It's when I'm involved in the discussion takes a little bit longer but it's actually the fun part so I enjoyed that. I've heard that from a lot of folks that they end up taking a while to grade annotations because they like reading the annotations I find that with my own class too. I'm like, wow, they're really contributing some interesting thoughts outside resources. And I also find them enjoyable to read. So I definitely relate to that. Okay, so I know this session was titled around increasing grades and retention and student success and we've been talking about all these other details so far. But I think all that stuff is important and kind of lying the foundation for how do we get those better grades and retention and success in our courses. Now that we know a little bit more about how you've used hypothesis, how you encourage students to entity and how you assess the annotations. I think we can start looking at the results of all of your experimentation. So Kristen, do you mind getting us started. What results have you seen in your courses with regards to student grades and retention after using hypothesis. Sure, thanks. I was really surprised, I have to say that it. It's true that I did other interventions at the same time, like the equity stuff that I was talking about. And I did my exams differently, but this was the biggest change from what I had been doing previously. And I didn't expect it to have the impact that I had. So the rates of withdrawal were the same. That didn't change as far as retention over those semesters before and after hypothesis. But the students who remained the whole distribution shift in the grades. And suddenly I had like 10 people getting a plus out of, out of, you know, 24. And it was, and I was like, am I just being too easy on them? No, I don't think so. They just really engaging more, which is the whole point. That's what I wanted because I knew if they did engage with the material and interact over it, that they would understand it better in the way that I intended. So what what they were really good at students have always been good at is, here's a bunch of words or concepts, and I will tell you the meanings of them all the definitions. That was not a problem for them, or I will look up anything you want. But it was very different to try to piece the concepts together into some kind of cohesive whole, and also difficult to apply them to a little word problem. For example, and this is what they seem to be getting better at and I thought they would if they were, if they were, if they were giving and receiving more words of their own, then it would be able to do this on a test better than they had before, because I wasn't ever asking them to just spit out definitions like they wished I would. So I had that little, you know, Kara wrote up that little case study and she made a graph of the data when I sent it to her to show how many more A's we were having than we had before. So the students again it didn't change retention really didn't seem to, but it had a huge effect on students final grade in the course, I think it was at least, you know, significantly due to this new tool. Yeah, I think that makes a lot of sense. I mean, if for my educational geeks out there blooms taxonomy at the bottom we have our basics like memorizing things like that and hypothesis I think is letting our students kind of climb up into those higher higher order skills like our application skills and our evaluation skills and that's really what's going to allow them to do better on those summative assessments. So thanks Kristen it sounds like you had a pretty good results in your class. What about you Francie with in terms of student grades and retention and what kind of results did you see. So the, the most dramatic change was the first year so the, like when the first year I was using hypothesis in the drama class. The previous semester the pre, well, I teach it once a year so the previous year. The retention had been not good. The grades were okay but the class just dwindled to a very small group. And the next year, it was still a small class to begin with, but I had 100% retention in that class which I've never had, and then almost all of them had A's or B's. So that was kind of shocking. The retention has kind of gone up and down but it's honestly for us right now it's a little hard to judge because we're having a horrible problem with big students. And so it's a little hard right now to determine who is a real person and who is not a real person. So the retention numbers are kind of sketchy. So the people I have right now, they are, they seem to all be real people, and they are doing well. So I'm optimistic. It's just, it, our numbers are so strange right now because of this bot student problem we're having. That is an interesting problem I was not expecting to encounter when asking that question. No, I don't think any of us are and it's a very strange. Yeah, it's very strange right now. So I just want to point out if for those who haven't checked the chat. They did post the case study from Kristen's course as well as from Francis course regarding the grades and retention and the results that we that they saw. So if you want to check out more details about those results, you can find the case studies linked in the chat. I did also want to just quickly mention someone asked. What tool do you use to check for AI or does hypothesis offer such a tool. Right now there is not a tool in hypothesis that can check for AI. Most of what I've read is that AI detectors generally don't work. I will say from my experience teaching that if I think that I've come across something that's generated by AI it's because the student has simply summarized something that is happening in the text. Which I explicitly ask them not to do so they just don't get credit because they're not following the instructions of the annotation assignment because I'm asking them to do some kind of deeper analysis. I don't know if Francie or Kristen if you have come across any similar situations. I was just answering it in the Q&A and saying that our student population here at least they their speeches very is very for sure. But none of them sound like the way I sounds when it comments on general biology, which is still. I'm not saying that I'm a great detector, definitely not. But I wrote in the Q&A that I think you take longer for them to think up the right prompt for the sort of annotation I'm asking them to do. Then it would just write their informal thoughts, which is what I want. Like how did you respond to this or can you find objective three in this chapter or whatever it is. That it would take longer to figure out how to ask AI to do that task that would be just try. And it's kind of low stakes the way I have set up for grading you're just really rewarded for trying and for sharing. So the C is okay. What about you Francie and then also someone asked you to expand on what the bot student problem means. Oh, so, okay, well, there's there's two parts to that. So the same kind of thing with you can tell the difference between the student writing. And I've been very purposeful. I did the hypothesis class on AI last summer. And so I've been very intentional about doing things in the prompts that you could only get from the class. So you can't just go out and ask an AI tool to give you this information because it's, it's not going to have it. So, like Kristen said, the responses don't match what you're asking them for. And then the writing style is very different. So it's not hard to spot. And then I'll just run it through a, like if I suspect it, which is pretty high, you know, it's like, okay, it's not looking right. I'll run it through a detector. And if it comes up, then I'm, let's talk about this. I also have discovered that if they run it through something like Grammarly, it can come up as AI generated. So I usually talk to them. And then we talk about, you don't just turn over your papers to the computer and let your computer take ownership. So that's what I've been doing to try to deal with that. It's not perfect, but trying to talk to them about what's appropriate use and what's not appropriate uses seems to be the way I'm going right now. With the bot student thing, I don't understand it all. I just know that for some reason, and it's not just our school, it's a bunch of schools are having trouble with these students that are not real people. Somehow they have information, but they're not real people. So, honestly, I don't have a lot of information about that. I just know, why do I have all these people who are not real? And I don't know. It's a California thing, I guess, I don't know. I love those bots in California. It's horrible, honestly. From automated cars to automated people.  And now your retention is abysmal because they kicked out all the people who were not real people. So it's a very strange thing. Yeah, that certainly sounds strange. But I'm not high enough up on the food chain to know exactly what's happening. So to turn our attention back or attention back to actual students. Yes. We heard how what kind of results you've had in your classes. And it sounds like you both are pretty enthusiastic about using hypothesis, but how have your students responded to your students tend to like using hypothesis. I can't talk today. Do they tend to like using hypothesis? Do they have negative reactions to it? What, what feedback have you on, if any, do you mind starting with that Kristen? Sure. So I need to ask them that specifically, which I haven't done. But first of all, it's easy for them to use. I was amazed. I thought the first two weeks are going to be a disaster with technological questions. No, it's completely user friendly and they figured it out all by themselves. So that was good. But other than that, they haven't really commented, which is, I think that is a comment. It's so easy to use it's transparent, if that makes sense. So they, they don't have to even think about, Oh, I'm using a tool now. They're just doing their thing, participating in class. And I think that they, they'll do whatever I asked them to do. Like I want the great tool you set in front of me. But obviously it's a good one if they're able to do that with ease. Yeah, that's so true. What about you, Francie? Have you gotten any feedback from your students? Yeah, I do ask about it specifically when they do their end of the semester feedback. And overall, the response is very positive that they like that it's easy to use. They like the interaction they like being able to see what their classmates have to say about the reading. They like the resources that are there for them. So, overall, it's very positive. Oh, that's great. Yeah, I tend to think that sometimes students might not even rise that they're using something that's not technically part of the learning management system. And so you both have used hypothesis in lots of different ways. So I'm not sure how you might answer this last question because it sounds like you kind of run the gamut and on what you can use hypothesis for. But do you plan in future courses to make any changes on how you're using hypothesis or is there anything you want to try with hypothesis in the future? Francie, can you start with that one? I think no until you all come up with some different things. Like, one of the things I would love to be able to do. So I guess here's my wish list. One of the things I would love to be able to do is to get them to annotate my lecture videos, but all those are done in studio and unless I upload them onto YouTube, which I don't really want to do, they can't. So there's my wish list. I would love to be able to have them annotate those, not all of them, but some of those lecture videos out of studio. So there. So, but otherwise, at this moment, I feel like I've kind of maxed it out until I think of something else. So I'm not planning any big changes. So that might be on our roadmap, but I'm not going to say anything official here. Oh, look, I see it in the chat. Okay, maybe it's okay if I say it then. What about you, Kristen? Is there anything new that you want to try in the future with hypothesis? Yes. So now I'm having students, I've just sort of started playing around with this. I'm having students write the exam themselves. And we're trying to, you know, workshop it and discuss it ahead of time or after one or the other both. And I didn't use hypothesis to do it. It was a combination of discussion board and in class discussion, but I was like, hypothesis would be much better for this. So that's the next thing I want to do. And I have been loving, I don't know if they love writing their own exam, but I have been loving it. I'm like, these are good questions. They're different every semester. So that's my plan. Do they try to make the questions really easier, really hard? They, it depends on the student. Like some of them are like, this is the kind of question I would like to have. And I'm like, well, make it harder than that. And then some others of them are like, ooh, a competition for who can write the hardest questions. So we get a whole range. And I guess on the flip side, since you also have tried using hypothesis in lots of different ways, were there any lessons learned and how you implemented it? Like if you were to give advice to someone who was using hypothesis for the first time, what might you, I don't know if that's two different questions. So feel free to answer either angle there. What do you think, Kristen? Yeah, I already mentioned about often thinking about the group size for whatever task you're doing. And then the other thing would be, I think I did too much at the same time, like it was hypothesis overload for the students who are like, oh, more entertaining. So just to be really intentional about what tasks, because what goal do you have that you're really accomplishing by using this tool and not just, oh, here's another way that's easy to grade. Throw that into anyway. That's what I would recommend. Yeah, the group size is something that comes up a lot. And is also, I feel like a hotly debated topic, like people, I don't know, people will tell me so many different numbers that are the ideal number to annotate together. How many do you tend to have to annotate together in a group, maybe outside of your learning objective one, Kristen? It depends how many I think might drop that semester. So if I think they're going to start it out with a group of six, but I don't want it to be less than three. Two is not ideal. And four is better. So four or five is the, for me, that's the sweet spot. Okay, is that the same for the learning objective annotation assignment? Yeah, yeah. So if we're annotating a research article that's technical and difficult, fine to have the whole class. My whole class is usually around 20 for me, 15 to 20. Okay. But if they're going to do a lot of back and forth and adding of resources and all that kind of thing at the group of four to five is much better. What about you, Francie? How big or small do you tend to keep your groups? It depends. A lot of times on the length of whatever they're annotating. If it's something short, I'm going to keep the groups smaller so that everybody has something they can comment on. But for the drama class, they're all, it's no groups. They're just all in there discussing it together. And then the other thing I try to do is once I see how they're responding and when they respond, I try to put early posters together because I am asking them to respond to each other.  So sometimes I'm moving the groups around. They don't stay static throughout the semester. I will move them around. I just learned you have to not move them after they've commented. Wait till there's a gap and then move them. Yes. That's a really great pro tip about putting the early annotators together and the later annotators together. Definitely take notes. Anyone watching out there because I haven't heard that one before. And I think it's a really good suggestion. So, before we kind of roll into our final slides and announcements of the day. I want to give attendees a chance to remember please you can put questions in the Q and A and then Francine Kristen was there anything I didn't ask that you just wanted to say about hypothesis that you were hoping to share the answer. Can we know I just wanted to kind of put it out there. If you're on the fence and trying to decide if it's something you want to try, definitely give it a try. It's worth, it's not a steep learning curve. It's easy to learn how to use. It's easy for the students to learn how to use and it's easy to integrate into your class. So give it a try. For sure. And I was going to just going to repeat what was said earlier about how it's fun to read all their comments and it's hard not to want to answer a whole bunch of things like you could spend hours. I totally agree. Obviously. Yes. And some people are asking about the recording. The recording will be sent out. And just to wrap up our last few minutes, I just want to share some resources that are coming up and where you can find more information. Both Kristin and Francie talked about Hypothesis Academy. If you're a partner school with Hypothesis, you have access to taking this course. Our social annotation in the age of AI course. That course is launching today. So if you register today, you can still join. And our next cohort of social annotation 101 is launching in April. If you want to check that out, you'll get lots of assignment ideas in addition to learning how to use Hypothesis. And lots of feedback from me in case you just want to hear me more. For those of you who are not partners with Hypothesis, you can check out our kickstart promotion. And you'll get a few things as part of this promotion included a discounted pricing and access to that Hypothesis Academy. As well as some other goodies. So please reach out to the email on the screen if you're interested in learning more about getting access to Hypothesis at your school. We also have a big event coming up next month. We have a conference, a virtual conference that is free, no cost, on April 17th and 18th, 12pm to 3pm Eastern time both days. So we're going to have lots of folks sharing much like people are today about how they use social annotation in their courses. I know people are asking about social annotation and specific subjects in the Q&A. We're definitely going to have lots of different disciplines represented there. If you want to see how folks are using social annotation and different levels of education in different subjects, lots of different ideas to be learned on April 18th, 17th and 18th of April, 12 to 3pm Eastern. So I believe I close my chat window, but you can find more information and register at the link in the chat. So that's everything we have for the day today.  Thank you especially to our panelists Kristin and Francie for sharing their experiences and the results. It's so good to see both of you again. And if there's anything we can do to help, please don't hesitate to reach out to us at Education at Hypothesis. So I hope everyone has a great rest of your week and thanks again for joining today everyone.


And we're live live. How do you guys feel feeling good man good? Good? Pumped energetic. We're live. How can I not? That's right? That's why I do it Pop you up All right Here we go If you would like to donate to the daily tech news show simply go to daily tech news show comm slash donate donate via Patreon monthly or just one sphere Bitcoin or PayPal if you want a t-shirt go to slash loop.com Thank you This is the daily tech news for Thursday October 2nd 2014. I'm Tom Marra joining me today Anthony Carboni co-host of we have Concerns and he has concerns. You have concerns all the time. Don't you? Constantly I can't turn them off. It's a problem One of those concerns is about the use of the word invisibility We've got a story for our main discussion about another Invisibility cloak and because I knew as soon as I read this that it was going to be interesting And it made me think of Jaime Ruiz 10 source stylist and physicist I decided to invite him on the show to join us as well. You've actually worked with similar optical stuff before right? Oh, yeah Yeah, and back in college. We did a lot of optical masking of different things. So so this is similar All right, we're gonna get to we're gonna get invisible Sounds like it should be like like a hip-hop call We're gonna get invisible in a minute invisible. That was my favorite tribe called quest album. Yeah, ah So so underappreciated as are the headlines CNET reports that Google may be next to face the wrath of Hollywood in the nude celebrity photo leak blame game Martin mad dog singer and yes, we verified the nickname at the lavely and singer website where they refer to it that way Represents more than a dozen clients whose images were stolen from their iCloud accounts iCloud Apple So why Google well according to singer Google was too slow to remove the images from search results YouTube and blog spot in a letter to Google execs a singer claimed Google could be liable for more than a hundred million dollars in damages He also demanded Google remove images from its sites Terminate user accounts that host the images and asked for data preservation on all alleged offenders for future litigation Google claims it has removed tens of thousands of pictures within hours of requests being made. I Think it's really neat that lawyers just are very smart people who plug their ears and refuse to understand how the internet works Right, you know just like how would they be able to press the case otherwise?   So that's your fault. I googled I googled my client naked and it came up And well, I'm going to burn your screen in the ground Yeah Gego reports that Apple has a new tool for people who want to make sure they're not buying a stolen iPhone All you have to do is type the IMEI number of the phone You want to buy into the site and if the device has Apple's Activation lock feature on the site will confirm that for you as well as give instructions for wiping the device before you The legit password-holding owner were to sell it So if you're buying a phone and it's like hey, it's working But then let's say you buy it you go to talk to the phone company. They're like, no, I can't activate that That's a stolen phone. This would prevent you from buying the phone. You could check it first I like that and it feels like something that could have just I'm shocked that it's taken this long to implement something like that really Yeah, it does mean that before you sell a phone to places like gazelle or even just on Craigslist and stuff You've got to make sure to go and turn off the activation lock if you ever turned it on too Yeah, that's true, but I feel like that's fine I like it. Yeah, I like it too CNET reports evernote CEO Phil Libin announced a few new features at the evernote developers conference today one called work chat Let's you chat with other evernote users from within the system Including the ability to see who's we're looking at a particular note and chat with them about it right there on the note This is apparently the most requested feature from users according to Libin I can't imagine letting somebody into my evernote. I can't like I know they're a collaborative features Yeah, it's the people who are using the collaborative stuff It's just like I can't let somebody into my mind to see how I take notes It's weird and horrible and not and not Understandable to anyone and then I would just be able to see them see them in my brain looking at these. No, no How about this other major feature? It's called context and it shows you info relevant to what you're writing or saving This could include your past notes notes from others who you're collaborating with or even news items that sounds ripe for Advertiser corruption, but okay I'm a euro, but you're gonna say something. Yeah, it's every app Are you I wish are we supposed to share everything all the time constantly right everything? I? Mean if I if I have if I get a refrigerator does that refrigerator need to tell everybody what I'm eating How are you else you gonna do collaborative meal preparation? Yes? Yes, that's true. That's true. And we all want to collaborate All the time Both these features context and work chat will come to Android iOS and Mac and Windows versions of Evernote later this year Also Evernote fans should know they redesigned the web interface That's coming out to rave reviews from what I can tell and they improved the scanner Function for scanning notes and business cards and stuff ever since I gave myself over to Evernote and decided that I'm Gonna put everything in it like you really do you have to decide you're gonna put everything in your life into Evernote But once you decide to just give your entire life and sold to them It's a really useful and interesting tool like I'm really loving it Just like the Borg the second you yes Distictiveness to their own you're fine. Yeah The EFF notes that software called computer cop that has been distributed by local law enforcement for years Unfortunately acts as spyware EFF says they observe the software's key logger Which it's meant to be a key logger to protect your you know, know what your children are up there or whatever Anyway, the key logger is transmitting to third-party servers without Encryption software maker also claims endorsement by the ACLU which the ACLU denies ever giving and the US Treasury Department has issued a fraud Alert over computer cops claims that it's recommended by the US Treasury Department at best the software is questionably marketed and badly written To the point that it exposes user data to attackers law enforcement agencies should probably be aware of This company and users should avoid installing it This is like this is like the software equivalent of the kid standing outside the 7-Eleven Asking for asking for pot. He looks just a little too old to be standing up like no, it's cool Man, I'm just a cool kid and I just want some I just want to protect your computer.  Yeah Oh Man, the computer comes around for 15 years, too Why would you accept any software that installs itself on your computer from the police? Well in these days, right especially like in the current climate, but he let you know Let's say it's like, oh, I know my local law enforcement agency. I know my police chief. I trust these guys They've been protecting my children. They're great folks This company is just pulling one over on all the law enforcement agencies And hands you a three and a half inch floppy It's a word. Well, it's a seedy wrong now, but 15 years ago. Who knows how computer cop is distributed No, and and you have to extend the analogy of the house to to your your Hard drives and computers, right?  He's your friend and everything You don't let him into your room all the time. Yeah, it's cops and vampires follow the same rules And visit gosa calls it it's just log enforcement The next web reports Google unveiled code for an open-source standard called physical web The project attempts to make it easier for the Internet of Things devices to talk to each other without the need of intermediaries like apps oversimplified the idea is to assign every connected device with a url So that a device like a phone can get short amounts of info directly from the device without needing a separate app Examples might be temperature readings off off of a temperature sensor or bus arrivals coming from the bus Payments and vending machines things like that the initial release of the physical web includes an Android app that can detect URLs Broadcast by devices and an iOS app is coming soon. I Can't even get the URL I want on social networks in the internet and now I've got to worry about fighting my toaster for it That's cool Into it, you know, there's a there's a company called dine I think it's dine that recommended that Internet of Things should have like a descending order domain system where you could get Your house as a domain and then all the things in your house would be like, you know toaster dot your house and and stuff like that But what would that what would the domain for my house be though? Like I'm really concerned what's your address? Yeah, exactly. Yeah, I don't know Here's a list we can just scrape your house's domain and have a list of all of the expensive things you have in it Toaster Privacy functions and We've solved everything for you TechCrunch reports Facebook has set up a formal review process for approving research a panel of senior researchers in different subject matters like privacy Legal research policy and engineering will determine if certain types of studies meet the guidelines The process does not change the way consent is obtained Which is through the terms of service or provide for any kind of external auditors a website at research dot Facebook calm Will centralize all academic work done on the Facebook data set cool We've solved none of the problems everybody. Well, it's like they solved all but the two biggest objections, right? the two biggest objections were the manner of consent and and and and the External auditors like you having somebody else check your work essentially and they're like yeah We're not gonna do those two big ones, but we'll solve all these other ones Those are easy. We're still don't have to tell you that you're a lab rat And we still can do whatever we want with the information But we solved the problem of letting you know when these things are running if you go to this specialized URL that you only know about If you're a reader of TechCrunch, I tell you what the issue I Do think that what for where Facebook's mindset here is is most of our studies don't run into these kinds of controversies So what this panel is gonna be charged with doing is make sure we know if a study might trip these triggers So then we can go and do the right thing To do the right thing. I love that. They're saying most of our studies don't cause these kinds of problems Just because we don't know about those studies Yeah, we're the only reason is they got caught once and that's why we're mad But they're doing this all the time every day and we know they are I don't know. I don't know It's it's such an empty ridiculous gesture. I think My problem with these studies is that we already know the answer, you know, it's 42 That's right. Just to derive everything down put it in the computer cop and you're done Time for some news from you These are submitted at our subreddit daily tech news show dot reddit calm by folks in the audience And you could be one of them if you haven't gone and checked it out Go go follow it daily tech news show dot reddit calm It's got some great stuff in there or more than 3,000 people submitting links voting them up and down WTO 605 submitted the reddit thread we're in reddit user Cranborn who claims to be a Microsoft dev Asserts that internal rumors at Microsoft say Early testing revealed that if the next version of Windows had been called Windows 9 It would have caused bugs in a lot of software and you can do a search code on this It is true that lots of version checking in legacy software Just looks for Windows 9 to decide if the OS is Windows 95 or 98. It's saved him a bit That's Amazing yeah, so despite the kind of you know like a guy who says he's a dev says an internal rumor, etc Whether this is the reason for the name or not it definitely would have caused problems had it come out as Windows 9 Why 2k redux kind of thing? Yeah, I like it. I don't care if it's true It's such a wonderful story that I've decided that it's true in my heart You can't argue with the code is there right some people like oh, but that would be really old software No, this is code that like as versions were updated was never taken out So even if the software doesn't run on Windows 95 anymore that code is still in there checking for it And then would would likely say oh well you can't run it on this operating system Even though you have Windows 9 I still love that the that the Windows marketing team couldn't think of anything to do except Skip from one number to the next I Bet they thought of lots of other things to do I think what you're reacting to is that's what they thought was their best of it Exactly, maybe it's because ME and Vista were both like kind of seen it anything that didn't have a number Was sort of seen as a bad Windows kind of like Star Trek movies where you're right via the one being the only exception there Yeah, so basically if there's a future war and this killer robot is coming at you You just rename its operating system to Windows 9 and it dies We're saved We found a way against the robot uprising Loki 74 submitted a gigo home article on the continuing adventures of Robin Hood who we all know secret identity is USC US SEC chairman Tom Wheeler Wheeler was in Minnesota yesterday Wagging a finger at those who seek to block the competitive forces that can produce faster cheaper better broadband and Supporting the efforts of city and municipal governments to build their own broadband internal networks Internet networks not internal networks. They're allowed to build internal networks that are fiber Just not internet networks in some places anyway Wheeler's remarks come near the close of a public comment period about whether the FCC should overrule laws in 19 states That restrict cities from offering internet service Is the FCC chairman sort of an honorary position like Emperor of China or Queen of England where? They can just say whatever they want and then not do anything ever Every time we do an FCC story you and me I get this feeling that the FCC gets up and says things and then no one has To listen ever in their lives the there's the difference between what the FCC chairman says and what the FCC The FCC actually does right because he's not a dictator He can't make the rules he has to get his commissioners on board and his commissioners are split equally between the the two parties so-called in the United States, so You know, it's it's easy for Tom Wheeler to go out there and and look positive with municipal networks org And and the folks fighting for that which is great And I'm not saying it's a bad thing for him to do this But it's a whole other thing for him to actually change the rules Gotcha, I don't know so maybe maybe all the FCC chairman quotes that you've ever said while I'm on a show It's just coming out too early and too optimistic Also, it takes the FCC about two three years to actually do anything and I've only been doing the show for ten months, so Who knows eventually they might do something sweet Sunbun submitted the Android central story that Roku is beta testing a new feature for the Roku 3 and Roku HDMI Streaming stick to mirror screens from Android devices Roku has step-by-step Instructions on its site for how to launch the screen marrying beta if you have an Android device that you would like to mirror Love it. Handy. Cool. Whatever happened to that to that That industry-wide standard. What was it Mira? Miracast or do I they're they're both out there in fact I I didn't look to see which protocol Roku is using here But I bet they're using one of them because it's crazy because I just it weirds me out But I still just can't beam things from one thing to another At infant item forever. Yeah, the problem is that everybody didn't adopt the same standard. Yeah, totally Yeah, although it seems like that like Roku one doesn't then the the set top box kind of thing Well Apple TV and Roku are the the leaders, but the set top box industry itself isn't big enough yet for anybody to have won Yet, I think that's my opinion And bio cow passes along Elon Musk's cryptic tweet from yesterday in which he wrote about time to unveil the D and Something else he really is the Tony Stark of the real world Unveil the D could mean so many things The D is probably Tesla's model D electric car, which is expected to be revealed at the Paris Motor Show next week The something else though the Verge wonders if it's an all-electric bike or an advanced infotainment system for your car But bio cow suspects it may be the version of the hyperloop possibly in a secret area Somewhere deep in the Nevada desert Also Denver Airport is hyperloop It goes from Denver to area 51 and Apparently Musk also told CNN money that by next year Tesla cars will be 90% self-driven man Man, you know with all the stuff that he's doing he really could come out and say I'm about to unveil the D have it be what we all first thought it was and no one would be mad at him Oh, no, he does that much good. He does that Right Let him do it. Let me be there is and something else I would be really excited if it was an electric bike Because the electric bike market is so terrible and overpriced right now I would really really love to see Tesla do something with that for commuters. Yeah, I think that's why the verges I think the verges half likes serious like reading tea leaves and half like aspiration or like but we want that God, they love electric bikes at the verge. Oh, that's it's the tails they tell And that's a look at the headlines. All right, so let me lay out the latest invisibility cloak And I've been covering invisibility cloaks since the Buzz out loud days at the mid 2000s It's not my day an invisibility cloak was just a box and you got in it This one is is is probably is definitely the most practical because you could make one for a hundred bucks Hagernator actually submitted this on our subreddit yesterday. It rocketed to the top for around a decade We've been reading about metamaterials fiber optics ways They've been light about an object sometimes at only non-visible frequencies sometimes without much angle like as soon as you move Your head you can see the thing University of Rochester researchers Have an inexpensive setup It's getting a lot of attention John Howell is a professor of physics there and his PhD student at the Institute of optics Joseph Choy Got together and they've submitted a paper to the journal optics express Which you can find out archive.org with an X it's for lenses Spaced at a mathematically determined distance that make an object disappear from up to 15 degree angles from optimal However, it doesn't make it disappear from dead center because what it does is it takes the light and it focuses it to the center They say that they can get rid of that process, but it becomes a more complicated setup that requires more than four lenses But the background doesn't shift they put a grid behind this you could look at it in the video the grid stays Intersecting lines. It doesn't change. They're not not messing with the background grid and they put like a ruler through one edge It's kind of a doughnut shaped area that a cloaks they put fingers through there. It works I Feel like this is this is really cool but it's just kind of a science center exhibit to teach kids about optics or Something for a stage like if David Copperfield wanted to make something really disappear with mirrors I just I get so mad at the press for jumping on invisibility cloak as a phrase That's all hi me. Yeah, I wanted you to come on here because you've done stuff similar to this How excited should we reasonably be because I have the same reaction as Anthony? We're like sure they call all things invisibility close some of them aren't even meant to be invisibility cloaks They're just optics research right right Okay, I love physics. So you should be very excited always all the time No, but this is this is there's just a little bit of a breakthrough They've they've managed to offset certain effects that in the past if you tried to do it You would get basically like a tunnel effect and you would you know hit a wall or inside however, it's a very simple process that they're doing what they're doing is they have a lens on one end it You know concentrates the light and then they have another one that that Throws basically a pencil of light to the other one and then expanded so you know they say oh the Cloak is a ring, but basically what it means is don't cross the ray if you cross the ray you're basically gonna You know block it still there's some other very interesting invisibility schemes that are actually basically like a like a Star Trek cloaking device, but it's not invisible light Usually is infrared and stuff like or or microwaves and they do actually get the waves that are coming Towards it and then they they leave the area in the same configuration So so in those spectrums, they would be completely invisible, but this is this is fun and it does You know Explain the concept however it is you can see around it and stuff. It's not you're not invisible I think that's the thing is like This is a major issue that I have with a lot of Science reporting and science industry reporting is you know you you want to make science interesting to your audience You want to make it understandable to your audience? You want to make it grabby the same way you can make other headlines grabby, but when you use something like invisibility cloak We all picture a friggin invisibility cloak And then what happens is something that's kind of kind of important and interesting optical research like this like a Surgeon to be able to see through their hands on the operating table. That's a huge amount of area of the human body, right? Especially they're doing a delicate operation and this could do that But unfortunately because I read invisibility cloak Anything else you tell me in that article is going to let me down and I think it really does a lot of stuff like this A huge disservice Yeah, but it's also I think what happens is that it's 2014 And we want all the stuff that we saw in the movies back in the 80s to be real And so whenever anything, you know loosely approximates it and it's presented media everybody All the nerds basically we all jumped on and and we wanted we want to have one But one thing I noticed when we were doing D news the two things I noticed is a way to get anybody to click on anything Was invisibility cloak and tractor beam? Yes, that's it If you say invisibility cloak or tractor beam everybody's in but the problem is nothing is an invisibility cloak or a tractor beam Yeah, no everybody wants tractor beam because of Star Wars everybody wants invisibility cloak because of Harry Potter Everybody wants an apple watch because of Dick Tracy, right? Well, yeah, right or or the galaxy gear or any one any of those watches But yeah, the fact is I think it's not just the press. It's I think Jaime you pointed out It's also us. It's also the people were like we want it so bad We're the reason that headline works because we keep clicking and I'm not making some play like stop clicking people But let's try to remember like okay It's probably not really going to be an invisibility cloak But how close does it get us to that and what other cool things can it do because you you pointed it out Anthony? Like the ability for this to make a hand disappear while doing surgery is real like this can actually do that That would be incredible or how about getting rid of the blind spot? Because now the blind spot isn't blind anymore because the way these rays can be bent is now means you can see Everything through your car. That's huge. Yeah Basically, you could you the way if you expand this to a large door size thing, for example, you could have a window Going through just a little tiny little hole in the wall You could have like a huge window and you could see through a wall in your house and be completely safe Yeah, this is Genghis Khan in the shadow and hide an entire office building from people in plain sight I thought you're gonna say an army of horses, but I Depends on which gang is Khan you're going with Sorry, that was Shuwan Khan Shuwan Khan Yeah, no, it's That's the thing that I wanted to get to with this story is this is really exciting even if it is not what the headlines are all Promising it is really something that is practical. You can you can go to this article and read the math It's not even that complicated of them of an equation to figure out how to space the optics spend a hundred bucks Make this yourself it can work at any size lens with off-the-shelf lenses And it's broadband because it sends all light waves around doesn't they say well It only works with x-rays or something like that Sorry, is this one of those things where like these guys set it up and all of you guys working in optics were like, ah That was so easy A little bit, but it's also a Didn't we do that like last year? Nobody's really close to that. Is that what you guys are all saying? Yeah, it's like, oh, okay No, but I built an invisibility clothes not big deal. He's guys. They're so great But I think I think also there's there's a there's a Like things are meant to be happening now we are as a large as society as large We are more prepared for wonders, you know, so so we expect them we expect them every day and I think that You know, it has to happen with a lot of things and so so this is a step I also think that the guys who're doing it. We're also, you know, okay, everybody's doing these weird You know projected and stuff and all kinds of stuff. We can do it simply we know this so so they they they just got it I love it. Yeah. No, I think it's great We'll have loads of links to it in the show notes a daily tech news show Dot-com if you want to Investigate more if nothing else it might get people interested in optics, you know, and and start developing more of this sort of thing Sure. Yeah, hyped about optics everybody. Yeah optics get hype Let us get hyped about the calendar as well Tesco's huddle-two tablet to be unveiled on October 3rd What is this? Why do that? Why stop doing it because Tesco needs to diversify Also 10th anniversary of spaceship one winning the X prize will be Saturday October 4th The free software foundation was created on October 4th. Rails rumble registration opens Monday October 6th and Southwired in Atlanta kicks off Monday October 6th and runs through the 10th. I Want I'm really excited about our picks of the day They came from Matthew Bowen their Wi-Fi related picks one hardware one software Open mesh is an affordable wireless access point controlled from a central web login It's access points start at 55 bucks with very affordable POE injectors now pretty much anyone can afford to have a Professional level wireless network with a single SSID and seamless handoffs from one access point to the next It's marketed towards businesses who need to cover like an office building or they did the Weston in Vancouver apparently But somebody who's got kind of a long house or apartment And and has those weak spots can now spend less than a hundred bucks Put one of these access points be able to administer it easily over the web Which you can with a lot of routers, but then it auto it creates a mesh network really easily I haven't tried it, but Matthew recommends it and I looked it up and it looked really really cool It'd be a great community project even to make these because they sell enclosures that are hardened for outdoor mounting and stuff Yeah, I definitely on the on the wide-scale like municipal or business sort of level I think this is interesting, but I think I think like you said on a personal level like I Well, it's not for us so much on a personal level because I was like, oh cool Could I use this in my house? Could I use this in my apartment? But it's basically like adding an airport express or any kind of Wi-Fi extender if you're in a small enough area, right? Yeah, exactly I actually do this and I had to configure it myself In in my house because I have one end of the house That's kind of weak from where the the router is so I'm thinking about doing this because then I would just have one unified system For everything which would be easier to man to manage and maintain Yeah, totally also Insta bridge available for Android iOS Windows and Mac Let's you share wireless networks without sharing passwords and if you change the password in the app everyone You've shared the password with gets updated Essentially, it's like giving them the password but without giving them a piece of paper with the password on it They never see the password so you can revoke it At any time. It's also great for sharing public Wi-Fi If you know you're going to a bar or restaurant for the first time Insta bridge could be your way to use their Wi-Fi if another Insta bridge user has shared it then you can automatically connect and Matthew says the devs are extremely responsive and are a joy to give feedback to apparently It's it's basically saying look, we know like sharing passwords for for Wi-Fi isn't terribly secure We're not going to make that more secure. You should use secure passwords, etc But we're going to make the sharing of the password itself more secure by not having you actually have to give it to somebody They never have to know it if they're part of Insta bridge. I like that Yeah, that's kind of nifty Send your picks to feedback at daily tech news show comm and you can find my picks at daily tech news show comm slash picks Thanks for the picks Matthew our message of the day comes via voicemail We have a phone number five one two five nine daily And we got a call from this gentleman in Tennessee with a theory about why Facebook messenger might have been split off Everybody's got a theory about this. Hey, this is your friendly technical coordinator at the library here in the middle of nowhere, Tennessee Another thought on the Facebook thing. I think that people might have mentioned before but I can't remember My thought was that the reason they separated the messenger away from the normal app is Has a lot to do with third world of third, you know Please please like Africa pardon my tripping on my own tongue here But please like Africa where they're trying to launch Facebook phones and do things where Facebook winds up actually being your carrier or at least Subsidizing your cell phone usage if you use the app normal Facebook app that holds a lot of data down because it loads all that other crap That you know Facebook calls content If it is a messenger, however, that kind of works the text messaging system and can be done over data for a relatively low amounts of data and Kind of gives them an edge on that market. So that's my thought Take care enjoy the show. Bye Now I know Facebook has a system already in place for getting people to use Facebook on feature phones And it has nothing to do with messenger But this could be a really interesting stepping stone whether it's designed that way or not If I'm if I'm a user in Africa And I'm ready to move up from a feature phone to one of these less expensive smartphones that are hitting the market now like a Firefox OS phone or something like that and the Facebook messenger app is a separate app and I'm like, okay Yeah, I'm not ready to I don't have a big data plan, but I can send a few messages. Maybe it's interesting theory Yeah, and I mean that's that's even practical Here to a certain extent to where it's like the the mobile Facebook app has so much going on And it's kind of slow and unresponsive at times even on my newer phone It is kind of nice to just be using messenger like I understand why people got mad because it feels like Facebook Just trying to slowly replace all the apps on your phone with Facebook apps But hey, they are a tech company They all want to replace all of your apps and things with their apps and things I think that I actually use messenger more now that it's separate from Facebook because I can just open messenger and use it Like a chat client without having to deal with the sort of toxic time suck. That is the rest of Facebook Yeah, no and in the development world Facebook is the internet. It's kind of like, you know, like like AOL used to be in a lot of places They get online to to look at their Facebook pages, so this makes sense. Yeah And then finally Nick wrote in with the answer to our question about why you would have a $99 in-app purchase for FIFA 15 card packs the whole the whole thing about building your teams is based on buying card packs Which you can buy with in-game currency or you can buy in-game currency and they They sell the in-game currency and it ranges from one to $99. So there you go Nick says I've spent more money than I care to admit on FUT. It's really fun and sticky and is the major moneymaker For EA games.  Oh gosh Yeah, I know people spent so much money on in-app purchases on games that are much less entertaining than FIFA You know, yeah Alright, well, thank you Jaime for sticking around and and joining us and helping us understand this from the perspective of someone who actually got a Degree in physics and understands this Least more than we do really appreciate it man. My pleasure man. And you know Whenever you have these weird questions, I'm happy to Twitter comm slash tensor guy because as we mentioned He is a tensor stylist Any anything else to let people know about? I Watched the Twitter. I should have a couple of projects coming up real soon and they should be fun I I have I have some insight into what his projects are and I can't tell what they are But they're awesome. So definitely follow and check them out Also, Anthony carboni my friend a pleasure as always Twitter comm slash a carboni Go check out. We have concerns calm The canada come back from his honeymoon canada is not yet back from his honeymoon. He comes back I think this weekend and we'll hear recording new episodes and But we've got a bunch that we recorded before he left that we were been putting up in his absence No, I noticed you guys are good. That's good. 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Oh, thank you Alright Man, why do I keep thinking of Jeff in a bubble near an island somewhere? Is that how we got to Italy by my bubble Plastic bubble and just just the the pure energy of his optimism. He just ran across the ocean He's like, I can see it. I'm gonna cook some pasta Yep, that's the only way I'm thinking about it now So I hope that helped they will sing size. No, that was excellent man. Thank you. That was fun, man No, it's it's it's cool I like I like the the thing they're doing, but I'm sure it's other stuff are coming I mean that somebody's got to make some some heavy-duty electromagnetic Thing that will be what we think what here's here's what I love about the conversation We had about it is the reactions to our conversation could either be you guys are too negative or you guys are Stupid and don't understand it and you helped us avoid both of those It is it is it is overused and and it's it's Like the thing I hate is the term flying car Because I do want a flying car like it actually you get in and it takes off instead We have cars with wings and we have helicopters that can look like cars. Yeah, same thing, right? It's the same same thing. It's it's everybody's trying to do what we want and but my pleasure Tom and Yeah, it's weird to be on this side My shirt by the way, oh Magic I really do you want to Tesla? Electric bike though. Oh, yeah me too. I got so close. I got so close to buying the Faraday Have you guys seen the Faraday electric bike? No, it's the first non hideous looking electric bike, but they're still insanely Expensive like I'm gonna spend two grand on something. It's probably going to be a Really nice scooter.  Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah Absolutely, it's just there's this wall that they're hitting my daughter wants a Vespa She's at University in Savannah and she just texted me.  Yeah, that's exactly what I said It was funny when I was in Italy The thing I was looking for was how many Vespa's actually still exists and there are some Honda far and away was the most common like better. Yeah when I was in San Francisco for a long time, I had a just like a baron which is a Chinese kind of Vespa alike that I got for 400 bucks and I miss, you know The other thing is you got to really be in a city That's scooter friendly and San Francisco is really really scooter friendly a lot of European cities are scooter friendly I can't imagine having one again here in LA. I feel like I'd be dead in a day Yeah, oh shoot. Yeah, just scootering down the 10 You might as well just sketch you might as well just like get on your skateboard and like grab a bumper and hit hit like the interstate Yeah, you're you've well, that's horrible. I was gonna say something about organ donation, but Yeah, check it off the second you buy a scooter check off that That's not I'm not even fronting like I don't know I think I was always an organ donor, but I after I got my scooter. I literally made sure I was an organ donor Yeah, that's good of you. I've been an organ donor for a long time and now that I'm thinking about it I think I made sure in Illinois To check the box when I became when I owned a scooter. Yeah I don't know if those two were real. I'm not saying they were related, but it was definitely at the same time If my insides are gonna crack open somebody might as well reach in there Let's not make it worthless, but it's kind of mean right because you know, if you hit on a scooter your organs are gonna be Terrible and squishy Exposed yeah, Jenny do we have a title? Hello, I can't hear you Doing the protective double muting Okay, so current top-vote getter is let's get invisible dot that that visible which is to be sung All right, Olivia. Yeah, Olivia Newton-Sebgons. I resisted We've got get invisible I really like iCloud with a chance of litigation Yeah Cobb yeah, cop pewter science not Horacruxes. I like Computer cops niche Let Elon do the D And I think I there's something I like about bending the light fantastic Which is very poetic of Todd Whitehead Bending the light fantastic Researchers at the University of Rochester Well that got a laugh out of all of you, so that's it bending the light Fantastic Unless that was a derisive laugh from one of you. Oh Who could say I don't even know when I don't even know when I'm being ironic anymore Tom Wait, are you being ironic? Would you say that? I don't know. I genuinely don't know. I wish I did I wish I knew when I was genuinely enthused about something I can only speak in derisive emojis It's just a picture of an alien face a hypodermic needle and a cake Oh Let's see what else wait there was something oh it has gone it has fled the brain Let's get invisible Yeah, that's pretty good All right bending the light fantastic is going to be the title I do like I do like cheap easy invisible just because I feel like that's sort of that's sort of describes me in my 20s I think you described a lot of us in our 20s Cheap of easy why I think the last three times I sipped out of this cup it was empty and I keep forgetting it's empty From waiter Garcione you there boy number one. How did you get in here number two? Why is this empty? I just saw I just saw anthony's apartment dot big screen tv on the internet and I thought I'd climb in through the window Yeah Me and your toes are eloping you can't stop but there's obviously going to be a way to make sure that I'm like just like anything else on the internet Like ensuring that your domains aren't seen by everybody, right? Sure And I mean the other thing about this is like As much as every year I go to ces. I make sure to do at least one video where I laugh at smart refrigerators Oh, you must have a nice big collection by now I think my entire hosting reel is just 10 minutes of me like yelling at sam song reps about smart refrigerators, but uh You know it's all coming right everything is eventually going to have to be connected and It is good that people are thinking about the structure and the protocols and People are trying to make it open before somebody goes in before we have The exact same reason I can't beam all of my screens to all of my other screens You know what I mean like everybody pulling in these different protocols and backing different flavors of protocols and trying to get Their patent through like if we can head that off before it happens.  That's great. I want that that's helpful That's what we want That's not what we're gonna get I like you know, I like the idea of The uh the mellow the sous vide cooker that operates based on your iPhone Like I have like you go you put food in a bag you put the bag into water and you go out for the day And you tell your iPhone i'm gonna be home at six But then at two o'clock you realize you're not gonna be home until eight And so you tell your kitchen yo Hold off dinner's not until eight and it automatically corrects. That's cool. Like that's pretty interesting Yeah, there's not not all sous vide and crockpots are the only things that can do that though, right? Yeah, right You can't really do that.  Obviously Okay, I was what I was just gonna say do you need to have separate urls for each of the messengers and task rabbits? Uh, absolutely. Yes Go ahead.  I have a watch that the future is hard The future is hard I have a watch you can understand which can understand what i'm saying and then tweet it out or whatever to people But my freaking dishwasher will not put itself away. What what the heck? Yeah You put a man on the moon My solution I want fish washers.  It's like ah, you can take him out Well, just make the cabinets into small dishwashers Every cabinet I had a dream once when I was working I was working like all of these double shifts at this at this starbucks like non-stop when I was in college and I you know The more you work the more you dream about work And I started having these like weird work dreams where I would close up the starbucks at the end of the night And as I would turn the lock to the deadbolt It would start the entire store was a washing machine and would fill itself with water and suds And clean the store and everything in the store and then drain the water Through the floor and I was like I woke up in the morning just like that is looney tunes as hell But also somebody needs to get on that that that happened to me this one time My parents were visiting and they didn't know how to use the dishwasher exactly which soap Work the whole freaking You put like regular dish soap in the dishwasher at a roommate who did that You know if we could drive home and it's a visa in your fucking living room. It's great. Yes. It was awesome If we can dry clean clothes. Why can't we dry clean dishes? Whoa good question Gallagher. We can We could vacuum our dishes It's almost it's like Seinfeld Gallagher Dividing line right there. You can swiffer your dishes. What's up with dry cleaning In the chat they're like personal, you know, they're talking about putting away the dirty dishes And they're saying personal robots can't come fast enough and then somebody's like personal robots or personal robots And to that first I would say the personal robots are already here In force or ever there are a lot of personal robots. Once again go to CES. There's a whole aisle of personal robots Take care of those. I just I just want to see a reel of like Anthony carboni in in like a big collared shirt looking at the the the the green institutional green smart fridge and then he's got like, you know some A member's only jacket and he's gonna have a smart fridge And then he's wearing a faddle And originally the smart fridge at first just has like a digital clock on it, right? Yeah And then it's got and then it's got a calculator The final the final year of me doing that at CES I think was me talking at the LG booth I'm like, so what is this and he's like, it's a smart fridge so you can like connect to here And I and I just took the light back and I'm like Why Why The ground in the fetal position Why like three more times and then we got up and just ran away Just ran away Which is that LG is that he's I think it was LG.  I don't give it. What's going on Do you not like my toast anymore? Stop texting me toaster Stop You know fiber is really important I can do bagels too I used to like my waffles You open the freezer in your fridge is like you going you going for the the broccoli and peas are you going for the american dream again?  Thanks everybody for watching We'll see you later Bye guys


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