Hello and welcome everybody to this last parallel session of the conference. I would love to introduce you to Tariq Zubir and Gabby Bishop, who come from Imperial College Business School. And they will be presenting their session this afternoon on distance makes the heart grow fonder. I don't want to take up any of your time, so speakers, it's over to you. Thank you so much for the introduction, Claire. So as you can see, we're going to be looking at distance makes the heart grow fonder. Now, since the pandemic, we have seen a focus on online education. Overnight teachers from varying backgrounds had to gain skills on how to translate their in-person teaching online. In the midst of the scurry to become prepared, I saw teachers attain free online training last year that could help accelerate their capabilities in the online classroom. And this got us thinking, does distance make the heart grow fonder? From a teaching, delivery and student perspective. So we're going to look at two examples in this session that were developed during the pandemic. And hopefully this will shed a bit of light on this subject. So as the ATAC Lab at Imperial College Business School, we're one of the largest departmental ATAC teams in Europe. And we consist of specialists in online learning design. So Gabby and myself are both senior online learning designers. We've got research functions, software development, film production and program administration. So all of these roles are really key to delivering around about 180 online modules per year. This includes our global online MBA, our executive MBA, business analytics and strategic marketing programs. We deliver these using the Incendi platform, which was developed at the ATAC Lab and acquired by a study group. It's also used by many other like-minded business schools internationally who we collaborate with. So in the endeavor to find out more about this fondness, we began to look at a number of different things. Firstly, we looked at how can we convince traditional teachers that online learning is effective? Then we looked at how can we try not to simply put on campus online and then risk Zoom fatigue? Thirdly, we looked at will our on-campus students feel that they are engaged and how can we ensure that they'll get that social learning element that they would normally get in person? And finally, we looked at what is the role of faculty and what is the role of the instructional designer, especially in transforming on-campus modules online. It's very important to note that this on-campus remote learning was the starting point that inspired this discussion on fondness, but our job is very much focused on online learning. So this discussion will be looking at what we learned from the pandemic and how we can transfer this into online modules as well. But before we get moving with this presentation, we've got to look at a few terms that we'll be speaking about. Okay, so in our view and kind of as the QAA highlighted in their report, terms really do have a role to play. So we feel that fondness is impacted by the very perceptions of what it means to learn digitally, especially given the constant technological evolution and the terms used to describe digital practices versus actual experience. So I know pre-pandemic blended learning has been used for a long time, but in many institutions that's meant having slides online. And that just doesn't sit anymore. So in this presentation, we're going to focus our discussion on campus remote or hybrid if you like and distance education, which is completely online. So the hybrid, I'm using a definition from Sue Beckingham. We recently shared a very handy infographic via Twitter and the definition Sue offered for hybrid was students have some learning online and also attend in-person synchronous classes, online learning maybe synchronous or asynchronous and it can be called remote learning or extended campus. And that's sort of what we found with the on-campus experience moving online. At the business school, I have to say we are set up for high flex, so in-person and online groups learning together because we've invested in multimodal classrooms. So we have students dialing in into lecture theaters and students present in the room at the same time. This was certainly the experience earlier this week in our induction. The other thing we're focusing on is distance learning in this presentation. So again from Sue, student learning is physically removed from campus, usually online but can include physical resources. Learning can be synchronous or asynchronous. I want to add two points of reflection that will surface in our discussion today. The first one is on screen there, social or physical distancing. We're not talking about the pandemic, we're talking about learning. So it's not social distancing, it's physical distancing. And also do students and faculty distinguish between all the variations and modes of online learning? So do they see a difference and how does that impact their fondness of online learning? So historically we've used the OSCA framework to aid in the transformation of face-to-face modules, so moving face-to-face modules online. So the organized phase involves creating a module outline that speaks to the programme specification. The structure is a session by session focus, so our modules that we look at today have 10 sessions. Compose is when we storyboard and assign tasks to the faculty. Audit is when as learning designers we kind of really review the blend of activities, the workload balance and the timings. And review and renew is when the final checks are signed off. So some of those final checks would be internally from our senior management team but also we have student testing. So all our courses before, all our online courses at least, not the pandemic ones that were converted at a rapid pace. They have student testing before going live and we'll talk to that. One of the things we noticed about trying to implement this framework as part of a pandemic response was it was difficult to follow this kind of rigorously because there's less commitment to online learning and different conceptions of what that is. So for example just delivering a class online. And so it resulted in perhaps less desirable outcomes but actually very realistic outcomes which were that lectures were moved online. So coming back to student fondness, let's just take a look at the on-campus learner journey experience. Now I can imagine a lot of you have been to an office before or maybe you studied on campus and there is a level of enjoyment in meeting new people and having in-person discussions that are informal. So those are the kind of fondness that we look at from a faculty and delivery and student perspective. So there's synchronous learning, as you can see there's a lecture every week and this kind of illustrates almost like a 13-week on-campus experience. There's social learning. So those informal in-person discussions after a lecture or in between a lecture or even with faculty and then all of this is supported by theory. So you can see there's a lot of interaction and engagement and this is obviously what students are fond of. Now keeping this graphic in mind, let's just look at what would happen if we went to a remote learner journey purely taking what's on campus and putting it online. Now you can instantly see that there is no informal discussion. That social learning has really been stripped away and the lectures are now just Zoom lectures, which obviously we know a lot of people suffered from Zoom fatigue. Now The Financial Times released an article quite recently speaking directly to students' experience of this and it said a lot of participants say that when you do online education, the tuition fee should be lower because of the problems with social bonding and network. It simply disappears if it isn't done correctly. Now thinking about this, in terms of learning design, what did you struggle with when pivoting to an online teaching? Now Tarek's going to pop a mentee link in if you can't use this QR code, otherwise you can use the scan this QR code and we'll just look for some of your answers, unless everyone is too shy to share. So if you are too shy we can come to this at the end, but really we wanted to just understand from your perspective. I think so it's an example would be for us that that social element was really difficult to recreate and we were wondering if there were any aspects within that. So for example informal discussions, pastoral support, maybe we'll come back to the end and just really talk. Okay so moving on, we're going to start to look at two case studies and these case studies are from our MSc Strategic Marketing Online Module which is a part-time module. Okay so what we're hoping these case studies will do is kind of push back on that these online courses don't have social bonding or networking and their second rate and they should be kind of lower tuition fees. So hopefully the examples we show you will speak against that. You can see our MSc Strategic Marketing Online Program there and a bit of information about our student body, a really varied student body with mixed prior experience. And as designers this means keeping an eye and making sure that there's a range of content and exercises to meet all these different learner needs. So an example being supplementary readings from different industries. Also something to point out our online courses have primers, non-credit primers that students can take. So for example a primer in accounting, data analysis, marketing fundamentals and these are also online and act as a way of inducting them into the online space. So we'll just go straight into the examples now I think. So Tarik's going to first address crisis management. Okay so very briefly I want to speak to three challenges. So the first one is related to conceptions of online learning. So the module leader I was working on had that live class delivery experience what was completely new to distance education outside of his comfort zone up to a point and he was also based in the States. So the entire time we worked together we developed a design and developed a modular distance and you can see him there in a video that he recorded in his house in Washington. One of the enablers for kind of overcoming this challenge were weekly meetings. So right at the beginning we shared weekly meetings. We shared examples of existing outlines and courses that the module leader could look through in their own time. We were also realistic with what we expected. So early on it was a blank piece of paper put your ideas down before steering those ideas and constructing them more and more with our in-house templates and then talking around that new structure. The second is to do with project management management and program oversight. So before I actually show you the module I'm just going to talk to these three points and then I will show you the module. The second is to do with project management and oversight. So we meet weekly as an internal team. We design these modules while the program is live so it's really important that we meet weekly and make sure that we're designing in a similar way and we're meeting program level objectives. We don't lose sight of that. So we have internal meetings as well as faculty meetings. And the third one is to do with remote teaching communication during delivery and we use a dedicated project management software called ASANA. We assign tasks, we receive weekly tutor reports which really make sure the experience is smooth for students and we pick up on those reports and intervene when needed. So if I now just share my screen I'll show you the course. So our courses are made up of 10 sessions in this instance part time 10 weeks. Within each of these are a number of activity pages and within the activity pages are a number of exercise pages, right? I know that was very fast but I'm going to show you some specific examples just now. So the first example I want to show you is how we built in really early that social experience. So early on in the course the module leader takes some time to introduce themselves and who they are which you might expect in face-to-face course as well. And the students also geotag where they are in the world and a little bit about themselves and really in a risk-free way share something about themselves and encourage others to share. So that's just kind of a soft introduction. Then if I go from the beginning to the end if you like we look at the assessment. As part of our assessment approach we've got participation grades. So in this particular module we designed it so that week on week students would have to complete a participation exercise. And some of these exercises are actually interlinked as part of kind of our scaffolding. So you can see that one is in 1.4 is individual then it's a paired exercise that builds on that individual exercise and then it's a group exercise. Very quickly I'll show you the paired exercise in 3.8. The students get a bit of content from the module leader. There's a guest speaker from the public health industry and then the students get to practice on camera reading their media statement. So that's kind of the active learning and social learning that components built in. One very last example from me before handing back to Gabby is we have guest speakers embedded throughout the module and you'll see here at the end of the course we collated that. So the kind of the teaching presence if you like is really extended by bringing in a range of experts into the course. And we'd argue students to get a heck of a lot of value in these courses. I'm just going to hand back to Gabby. Right so the next case study we're going to look at is emerging technologies. Now I'm going to look at three things. So what made the faculty fund of this? What made the students fund and what made the delivery fund? All the people enjoy the delivery. So just for a bit of context my module was an on campus module that we put online and so originally students were really really fascinated by the tools that they were being exposed to and they really enjoyed that and we wanted to pull that through into the online module as well without just trying to mirror the on campus to online. And so some of the things was making sure that our faculty were supported that my module leader felt that there was rapport between us and that she could feel comfortable and obviously she was really incredibly busy so one of the things was we had to prioritize project management. So making sure that at the beginning of the week there was an email that was sent out that she could understand exactly what she needed to reach at the end of the week and that was one of the things that she really enjoyed and then another thing was obviously I don't know if the video played now but if she was felt that she didn't feel comfortable in a recording studio so she wanted to be in the classroom and so we filmed her in the classroom and and that really encouraged her to to really teach incredibly well and she loved the experience and that created fondness. And the second fondness is our student fondness they really wanted to be exposed to a number of engaging tools they wanted to be able to apply what they learned in those tools to exercises and they wanted to reflect on what they learned in real-world examples. And finally a delivery fondness so we made sure that the tutor was available for open office hours so students could pop into zoom and ask questions and engage with some of the things that they were kind of finding tricky so they felt supported and our module leader then would would post some videos just also giving a bit more guidance. So I'm going to just pop on to the hub now to show you so the one thing was tools so Google Universal Analytics is one that I'm showing you and we broke it down into chunks because it's just easier to understand but also to follow you don't want a very long video and students really enjoyed engaging in this so we first showed them the structure then the insights and then the reports and once they had gone through these videos they basically were able to create a product and we gave them a scenario real-world scenario to make it an authentic experience and they were able then to upload and share their their product that they created and see how other students compared to what they created so that was one instance another was the reflecting so we created a journal activity at the end of every week where we'd give them a real-world scenario so something that would happen happen in the marketing environment and they could then apply what they learned so obviously Google Analytics to the scenario and then they could type in how they would respond and that would then collect and end up at the end. Finally other things that we did is we always wanted to make sure that they had industry application examples so we provided a multitude of different industries and how emerging technologies were being used. We also gave them opportunities to create chat bots in live classes and that was one way that they they could really see how it was relevant to their immediate surroundings or immediate roles rather. So now looking at that I just wanted to show you a graphic representation of how a typical online experience would look and you can see that there is a mixture of asynchronous synchronous and synchronous work which encourage social learning as well as flexibility and this is what we want to kind of tap into. So keeping all these graphics in mind we're going to just first touch on lessons that we learned and then finally what do we think that learners really want. So Tarek will be speaking about what faculty found and what they learned and I will be speaking about what students learned out of this experience. Okay so in feedback from the module leader it was about workload and setting expectations really early on so because he was completely new to online learning and there was some distance to travel between face-to-face experience to this he felt that could have been this expectation could have been better set earlier on. Also I was a bit surprised to learn that in a feedback discussion the module leader described the experience as sometimes slightly anonymized now this didn't come across in the student feedback because they were always thanking him by name and he was present in the narrative text and in all the videos but essentially the module leader wanted more live interaction with the students we have three live classes and he really he said he would benefit more from increased live interaction. From the tutor's perspective more weekly participation deadlines we had those for the first half of the course and then we left it pretty open in the second half but there was encouragement to do it throughout the entire course weekly participation and that's I think that's all I've got to say on that Gabby. Yeah and then from the student's perspective they really enjoyed I think they had a love hate relationship with group work but they said that it did mirror what would happen in a real world scenario so being able to collaborate with others effectively so they enjoyed that they wished that they'd had more live classes instead of live tutorials because then they could have more contact time with their module leaders time was always of the essence they are very busy people and so just being able to manage their time a bit better would be more helpful and then finally having really good up-to-date scenarios and case studies they really wanted that and I think Tariq and my module did tap into that quite well because both our module leaders are very much keeping up with the latest case studies in the industry. So taking those learnings into consideration I'm going to just show you the final illustration of this is typically what students would and faculty would be fond of. Now first look it's very overpowering we can see that this could create a lot of issues especially because with all these synchronous things like student online socials and tutorials and live classes and things like that that would mean that would lose a lot of flexibility but we also think that small group discussions and more touch points like that would help students feel encouraged and engaged like they would on campus. So there's a lot to say about this and there's a lot to give and take but it is something that that we found at the end. So finally we want to pose a question to you what would you focus on to increase fondness and once again Tariq is going to pop the link in the chat and you can use a QR code and this is just really for us to kind of understand a bit more about what you're thinking about and and what we've spoken about today. So do feel free to add things after the session and I'm not sure how time's going but we can also move to questions. Hi Tariq and Gabby that was really really interesting thank you so much for sharing that with us. As you can see there's a question on the screen now from Sarah who obviously knows you Tariq and she asks how big the team is that work on this and other courses and if you could talk a bit about the structure. So our actual etec lab team we're about 20 people right but when we work on on the two modules that Gabby and I have shown it's essentially one senior online learning designer an assistant learning designer and an attached media person. Obviously there's all the wrap around in terms of program admin and other things you expect in new university settings but the core of the kind of session design and development happens through a senior designer with the faculty member and assistant and somebody in media. So I'd say there's about you know four or five people in the core team but the wraparound services are obviously essential. The structure I'm not sure I quite understand in terms of if that's about the team or the modules themselves. Well Sarah also asks if your model was scalable Gabby what do you reckon? I would say it is scalable I've been working with a number of teams that try and scale how we work on products and I do think that it depends on the faculty as well and if the content so for example Tarek's module was only 40 how many hours was the Tarek that had and so new content had to be developed so that would obviously take longer and that's how I'd answer it. Yeah I would say they are scalable and we use we have processes in place that mean they can be replicated you need the staff I don't think obviously there's only so much you can do so we tend to work on one one development at a time as a senior designer as well as looking after a number of modules that have been carried forward but I would say it's scalable with the project management software in place and the processes, weekly meetings that we have to track progress and things like that. Okay great thank you unfortunately we're running out of time now and so I would just like to say thank you so much for this really interesting and informative session that you've given us and really really appreciate you sharing your time and expertise with us especially as you have got the last slot of the conference so I'm sure that wasn't easy waiting for three days. If anybody has any further comments or questions please add them in the chat of the YouTube link and I believe now it's time for the conference close and for us to say goodbye so thank you Tarik and Gabby very much for your time. Thank you.


This is what is called as Kula Devatri. It responds only to that genetic content. So, only those people of that clan go to the temple. A certain set of people have a certain samskara, others have certain samskara. So, for them those skills and that way of life game naturally. Every community, every society has its own samskara and people either make their lives well or ill based on the samskara also. See, what we are calling a samskara is the collective karma of a society. In this culture, we did a lot of things to maintain samskara. Even now, in villages, there are, you know, sometimes violent outbreaks will happen. If marriages happen between people who will mix the genetic, who will kind of make the genetic line fuzzy, this is not blue blood business, they've been maintaining this so that for this clan, for this bloodline, they will have a deity that they have created. It responds only to that genetic content. This is what is called as Kula Devatri. It responds only to that genetic content. So, only those people of that clan go to the temple, others don't go because it doesn't work for them. So, they maintain this genetic map of people and they will look back ten, twelve generations and say, oh, she belongs to that bloodline, this belongs, okay, they can marry, this cannot marry. Like this, they will calculate because these are called Gautras and stuff.  Yes, cruel things have been done in that name, that is true. But there was a very profound understanding because learning happened this way. When there were no universities, no schools, nothing, this culture transmitted their skills effortlessly for thousands of years because they maintained this samskara. So, let's say for example, you know, there are what is called as acharis. This is a certain caste or a clan. In this, there are goldsmiths, there are carpenters, there are blacksmiths like this, all those people who are craftsmen. But a goldsmith's girl will not marry a blacksmith's man. Only there they will marry because it is samskara. See, this may look, oh, how can that be? Why can't somebody, you know, be born in any family, learn this trade, that's different. But it's been found, they've done an experiment with mice. What they did was, they put a cherry blossom smell on some cheese or something. So when the mouse went to bite it, they gave it an electric shock a few times. And you know what, next seven generation of mice never went near the cherry blossom smell. Cherry blossom smell means they move away because this is samskara, that from parents it is coming, just like that. This information transfer is happening all the time. Now we are talking about how trees are sharing things. All this when we spoke long time ago, they thought it's all ridiculous. Like my great-grandmother would simply look at, you know, sparrows and ants in this eating and simply in tears. And if you say, why are you not eating, she says, I'm already full. And she was full, she was well nourished, nobody can question that because she lived for one, one, three. So today they're slowly beginning to talk about it, but still in terms of physical terms, how physically nutrition is going, this is happening, this is being shared, that is being shared, all this. But beyond physical stuff, there is life in which sharing is happening. So they created a very concentrated focus on people so that there is a samskara, a certain set of people have a certain samskara, others have certain samskara. So for them those skills and that way of life came naturally. All these things got distorted when people started discriminating from one to the other, the goldsmith things, he's superior to blacksmith and you know, these problems came later. But the way it was crafted, it's a perfect way to transmit knowledge, skills and variety of ways. But it all gone bad, now it's not relevant, we can't do that anyway. So what you call a samskara is a social karma. And let's say living in Mumbai, don't you have a certain Mumbai samskara? Isn't it? It has its own. So like this, every community, every society has its own samskara and people either make their lives well or ill based on the samskara also. To rise above samskara, you need spiritual process. Otherwise nobody can deny that they have not been influenced by their family, society, whatever kind of religious practices, they may not be doing those practices. But still they are influenced, isn't it? Only one who is strongly on a spiritual process is not influenced by the atmosphere, he rises above that.


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Arlene is not here today, Arlene is not here today, but we would like to say thank you to Green Mountain Support Services for sponsoring our program and many, many, many others. Welcome Nicola Wango who is a cerebral palsy advocate and who does a television program called CP Conversations for Green Mountain Support Services. Can you tell us a little bit about your advocacy, how you became an advocate despite your cerebral palsy and CP Connections? I mean Conversations, sorry CP Conversations. I just want to thank you for having me on today and let you know that it's a pleasure to speak to you and I can absolutely tell you a little bit about how my advocacy journey started. I never really advocated for cerebral palsy when I was growing up because it was just something that I had that I lived with under the youngest of 11 children. So that's a full plate right there when you have so many people in the house and my mom never drove a day in her life. So I just went about my business and achieved everything that I wanted to do or work on whatever I wanted to do in life, but it actually comes full circle back to my mother. That's how I got started advocating not only for Alzheimer's which is what she had but it is because that I was trying to find help for her. We were having problems finding help because it's very expensive and one day I saw a contest that was popped up on Facebook for caregivers and if you won the contest you would get 10 hours of in-home care for the person that you're taking care of and you would win like other prizes which I didn't care about the other prizes I just wanted help for my mom and what you had to do to enter that contest is you had to submit your story somebody could submit it or you could submit it and I told one of my brothers about this and he actually wrote something beautiful on my behalf and the story goes I was would check in there in case somebody left me a comment because I always want to acknowledge people if they're kind enough to vote for me or you know leave a comment there was one woman on there who left a comment and she said that she was going to enter her brother in the contest and he get this this is where it gets really kind of like the universe is speaking to you he was the youngest of 13 children he also had cerebral palsy and his mother also had Alzheimer's so I said wait a second how many times how many things could you have a comment with one person but it leads to advocacy because that person had selective dorsal rhizotomy surgery the same surgery that I would go on to have it'll be eight years at the end of this month so if I did not enter that contest I wouldn't be speaking to you now because I was trying to get help from my mom and in turn I actually found out about a life-changing surgery that changed my life yeah so um getting to you being a book writer um because I read some of your uh synopsis on your books can you explain a little bit about that I am the author of a poetry book it's called making desires I just um okay that's an open and the title's there but well there is a story behind that since we we were talking about dating off air earlier I you know I was enamored with someone and he was my inspiration to you you know write poetry I'd never really written poetry before and I would try to go to sleep at night and I don't know if you ever had this happen to you but sometimes words they would just they would just come to my mind and I just wanted to go to sleep so I had do you remember I've I books do you remember the old the mac the old okay I used to have one of those and it was max max so horrible uh apple well some people okay actually the book is going to be in print 20 years next year oh one wonderful act we must get we must get a copy amazon and you can see I did a television interview for NBC6 South Florida and you can see that interview on my website okay great um you know I know that people are not well some people might be prisoners of their disabilities or or their disability might stop them what makes you keep going you've asked the question that I've asked myself many times and the answer that always comes to me is I think I was just born like this there's something inside of me that I just never give up I mean when I was born Lawrence they called me the miracle baby because I was two and a half months premature my mom I think she she almost she didn't die obviously in childbirth but they there was a there were issues problems with because she was 44 and a half when she had me and I was the size of a baby chicken that's what I was told that I was you know if you put your thumb up like an adult thumb I was so small and I couldn't walk until I was five years four and a half five when I had heel heel cord lengthening surgery so what I would do Lawrence is I would put my hands and shoes whether they belong to my parents or any of my 10 siblings anybody and I would crawl around the house like that so I think that even at a young age something inside me said hey I can't walk like like all these other my siblings and people that I see but I'm gonna find a way to do it and that's what I did okay you know being a book author is a hard thing disability or not what what made you want to do that did you want to tell your story more or you know trials and tribulations and that kind of thing goes I was in I started writing and then I was in a couple of poetry groups but I'm gonna say Barnes and Noble I might be ancient now like do they you know some a lot of stores unfortunately have gone out of business but when we used to be able to go out and go to bookstores and places and meet with people and a few people that I knew they started publishing their work actually I have to give a shout out to my friend Tony I don't know if he'll ever see this but my friend Tony he published his book probably 22 years ago it's a self-improvement book and he would always tell me Nicole why don't you why don't you put your poems in a book and I literally thought what's he talking about like why would I want to do that because that was back think 20 years ago Lawrence that was right when self-publishing was just kind of getting started it was very new so I decided to go that route because to publish a book in a traditional way it really wasn't going to be the best option for me because let's just put it say it the way it is publishers are not clamoring to publish poetry books so that's another area where you and I have talked about all the time how people with disabilities we make things happen if there isn't if there isn't a way we make one so with self-publishing anybody can publish a book and we've seen that now there's so many different ways to self-publish and you can get whatever story that you want to tell out there and so you know that's what that's what I did people always ask me if I'm gonna write another book and so far the answer is no because if I did write another book I would want maybe it to be it wouldn't be poetry I mean it would probably be advocacy or something along those lines but writing a book and the process to to market it and all those things it's it's a lot harder than people might think you know well like I said before we have to just try because if we don't try it's the old the old adage the little engine that could you know the old saying um but but you know people with special needs like I said before when you interviewed me um you know which is going to be on green mount support services website um you know cp cp conversations we you know we we as special needs can't give up so easy so why do you think people with special needs give up so easy is there a reason behind it on on your end of opinion there's several things that come into play but before I answer that question I want everybody to know that with my advocacy work I published an article for huff post called sdr life changing surgery for cerebral palsy and that that article has gone around the world I have heard from parents and adults with cp who have told me that that article changed their life because they never heard of the surgery and they went on to have the surgery so by sharing my story I'm helping other people just like what you're doing by having your show and featuring people like me so that everyone can see that our stories matter too and we can contribute positively to the world and to answer your question some people with disabilities I know you've seen it I've seen it they just they're complacent I think in their lives I think that they might not have people around them who are speaking positively to them so think about it if you if you live in a household or you're around friends who maybe are speaking down to you or they they think that you can't accomplish much so they're projecting that onto to you then then I think that's a reason maybe that somebody wouldn't want to strive for more but I also think that it you have to think about like with cerebral palsy there's different levels of cerebral palsy like everybody seems to think because the media doesn't cover our disability even though it's the most common physical disability in childhood there's four different types of cerebral palsy and not every person with cerebral palsy is affected the same way so if you have somebody like me who has high functioning and I don't have any other underlying medical issues that's a different story than if you have somebody with cerebral palsy and let's say they have challenges in different areas that might make things harder like let's say they they have trouble reading I mean some people with CP have trouble speaking there's you know what I mean so they might feel that well you know I don't speak well so they can't host a podcast that's not true you and I know people who they have challenges in many areas but if you want something and you you want to work for it and you want to do it don't let anybody I don't care if it's family if it's friends if it's your boss or somebody in your community you define who you are and what you want to do yeah because like I said the point is you know okay we for example we might not become rich from what we're doing but if you don't try how like example and it goes back to the articles that I recently wrote you know I believe you know in spiritual you know believe in something you know spirituality you know if God gives you something or gives you a gift use it so what um how how um did you have well did you have anything really bad happen in your life that you can tell people well that that made you persevere more I mean you know along with you describe it is that I grew up in a very dysfunctional family mm-hmm I'm the youngest of 11 children so without without going into details you know that's that creates challenges in and of itself that really you don't even you don't even realize the more until you get older sometimes you don't you know like you just you live with the people that you live with and it affects you however it affects you but you don't have a choice in that you you don't have a choice of what environment you grow up in yeah now I'm not saying that people didn't love me or anything like that but I should I could write a book on some of that stuff and people wouldn't believe me they would think that it was reality show and it's it's not you know but you know I I chose to you you chose focus on you chose to break away from that let's put that way correct yes mm-hmm yes because I you know if something if something is not serving you and people are toxic even if even like I said I'll repeat again even if their family or friends sometimes you have to love people from a distance well last question because we can make this the last question because we only have a little time left describe toxic for people with special needs if they or our viewers who don't know a toxic relationship for example how do you how can you break away from that to make yourself more positive example that I actually just did you know I'm talking about anybody you don't have to have a disability to relate to if you have somebody in your life who is talking down to you constantly speaking negatively to you and I'm not referring to anybody in particular right now at this moment I'm just giving an example but I did have a situation happen recently where I felt that someone who I thought was my friend wasn't a true friend and so I made the decision to block that person on all social media because we control who we let into our lives we control the thoughts that go into our brain and and we all have a right to stand up for ourselves and I think boundaries are very important you have to make it clear to people that hey you know if you're going to speak to me this way I'm not going to speak to you I'm going to walk out of the room and I'm going to come back maybe when when you're the person is clear headed or they can calm down then we'll have we'll continue the discussion but that's something I had to learn I I go to therapy I see a counselor you know every two weeks probably for the past 15 years and you know I had to I had to learn all that because I didn't grow up in that environment. 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The National Broadcasting Company and its affiliated stations present the Pacific Story. In the mounting fury of world conflict, events in the Pacific are taking on ever greater importance. Here is the story of the Pacific and the millions of people who live around this greatest sea, the drama of the peoples whose destinies at stake in the Pacific War. Here, as another public service, is the tale of the war in the Pacific and its meaning to us and to the generations to come. Prophet of the Pacific. I am a dying man. I can do nothing more for either of our two great countries. I have warned America in my books. I now warn you Chinese in words. China's enemies are its historic pacifism, its political corruption, and Japan. We Americans have the same three enemies. Your new republic, China, like ours, can only be preserved in its beauty and freedom by vigilant swords. It is frightening how clearly this crippled little American sees our dangers. I have never been able to understand why he cares so much about China's cause. No, when he is so truly American. Look, Dr. Sun Yacin is talking with him now. Homer Lee has fought for our new Chinese republic, and now at last he has seen his friend Dr. Sun inaugurated as our first president. Look how they talk. Dr. Sun and generally our deep friends. It must strike Dr. Sun to the heart to seem so ill. He knows he can do nothing to help him. And Homer Lee knows that too. They say he and his wife will go back to America soon. He is so ill, so ill.  And yet such a military genius. Look, there is his wife with him. She is almost leading him. His eyesight is almost gone. And yet he sees things so clearly. As I said down these words now, I recall how ill Homer Lee was when he came back to America. I went out to Santa Monica to see him. We were old friends. I remembered, as I saw him lying there, how he had said while we were in college together. A man never dies until his work is finished. I sat there looking down at his feeble little hunchbacked body and wondered if his work was finished. He had gone one way after our college days and I had gone another. I had become a newspaper man and he had become perhaps the foremost military genius of our time. He had written a book that had frightened millions and stirred a world controversy. His military counsel had been sought by the German Kaiser by Lord Robert's Field Marshal of Britain. And he had been chief military advisor to Dr. Sunja Sen. And yet to me, he was still what we had called him in college. Little scrunch neck. While we were at Stanford University in the late 90s, he hung big military maps on the walls of his room. You're certainly in good spirits today, Homer. Yes, yesterday you were in the dumps. Well, just look at the map. Everything's going well. Who's fighting whom today? The Chinese rebels against the forces of the Manchu Empress. And who's ahead? The Chinese rebels are. See these colored pins here and here? Yeah. Well, these pins here represent the rebels and these represent the forces of the Manchus. What's the purpose of this war, Homer? Why, to free the Chinese from their Manchu rulers. Homer, where do you get all your ideas for these wars? You know, one day you have China and the United States against Germany and Japan. The next day you've got Germany against England. The evidence is all around us that these wars are coming. Oh, Homer, please. They're coming as sure as you're standing there. That's why I've worked out this Civil War campaign against the Manchu Dowager Empress. But what's the purpose? All great careers are carved out by the sword. I'm going to carve out mine that way, too. With the sword? Well, how can you? I mean, uh... My hunchback is no hindrance to me. Remember Byron in Greece? He was clubfooted. Yes, but Byron was a poet in Europe. China will be my Greece.  Well, they'll have an awfully hard time finding my neck. You'd better forget about China, Homer. No. I'm leaving school. I'm going to China. You're going to China? What for? I'm going to topple the Manchus from their ancient dragon throne. Homer Lee left Stanford. We found out that the China Reform Association in San Francisco had sent to China as a secret military agent. On his way across the Pacific, he kept his eyes open. He made notes on Hawaii and Guam and the Philippines on how they could be attacked and defended. In China, he rallied several thousand ragged pigtail Chinese and marched on the Palace of the Empress Dowager in Peking. Great numbers of white men, women and children were besieged in the compounds and the legation. When the United States troops marched into Peking and the seat was lifted, the defenders of the compounds saw a strange sight. The head of the Chinese volunteers was afraid. Is that a white man there? In the uniform of a Chinese general? Yes, yes, that little hunchback. Yes, he's white. Can he be a real general of the Chinese army? He has the gold star, the emperor, around his neck. If you could call that a neck. And those gold epaulets. Look at the size of them. Look at that sword he's carrying. Quite as big as he is. What is this? The triumphal entry of the victors or a comic opera? Those Chinese following him don't look as if they think it's very comic. Neither does he. Neither does he. Little Scrunchneck had gone to China to choose off the dragon throne. He was heartbroken when the Empress Dowager bought peace from the powers and retained her throne. Alone, he made his way to Hong Kong. There he met a Chinese who had been a student at Stanford with him. I've given up all hope of reforming the Manchu court one. It cannot be done. The Manchus must go. There is a man here tonight that you must meet. He is of the same opinion as you are. That the Chinese must rise against the throne? Yes. He is a Chinese medical student, a Christian. He is the head of a great underground society. It is working day and night for the revolution. Who is he, Wang? His name is Sun Yat-sen. Sun Yat-sen? I think he is here in this group tonight. Do you see him here? Yes. Yes, there he is. Right over there. That man? Yes. Shall I take you over and introduce you? Oh, yes, yes. Let's go over and talk with him. I'd like to learn about him. Doctor Sun Yat-sen, may I present Homer Lee. Mr. Lee, how do you do? How do you do, Dr. Sun? Mr. Lee and I were students together at Stanford University. Oh, yes, at Palo Alto in California. Yes, sir. Dr. Sun, I should like to throw in my lot with you. I believe your ideas will succeed. Thank you. We shall need all the support we can get. Perhaps we can speak more another time. We appreciate your interest and shall be glad to have you attend our meetings. Oh, thank you, Dr. Sun. If you'll excuse me now, I must go. Yes, of course. It was so soon, Homer. Yes, Wang. I'll see you again in a few days. Goodbye. Goodbye. Goodbye. Wang, who is that little hunchback? A missionary student? Oh, no, Dr. Sun. He is one of the most brilliant, perhaps the most brilliant military genius now alive. What? He is a perfect master of modern warfare. And he has offered to throw in his lot with me? What is his name? His name is Homer Lee. I must talk to him. Come on, perhaps we can catch him. We had difficulty in finding you, Homer. You got away from the meeting so quickly. Oh, yes, sir. I wanted to think. Mr. Lee, in case I should succeed in my movement, and if my countrymen gave me the power to do so, I would make you my chief military advisor. Make me your chief military advisor now, Dr. Sun, and you will succeed. Little Scrunchneck became Sun Yarsen's military advisor, but the secret agents of the Empress trailed them down and stalked them for death. They escaped to Japan, and therefore months they tried to win support for the Chinese revolutionary movement. It seems that every effort we've made here has failed. The influential Japanese have not said no, Dr. Sun. They've simply evaded giving us help, and they will never help us. I'm beginning to understand the Japanese mind. The Japanese do not want a strong, modern, united China. The Japanese do not want any nation, except themselves, to be strong, modern, united. They want to keep other nations weak, disunited, and helpless so that they can conquer them when the time comes. Yes. We should know now what we can expect from the Japanese. Not only your country, Dr. Sun, but my country too. As certainly as we live, China and America must be allies, for Japan is our inevitable enemy. Dr. Sun, I'm going back to America. Homer Lee came back to Los Angeles in his uniform of a Chinese general. We, who were little scrunch-necks friends, were embarrassed, but not Homer. Some of the people around Santa Monica, where he had his house on the beach, scoffed at his stories of what was happening across the Pacific and the part he was playing in it. Particularly, we were amused by what seemed to us his insistence on playing soldier. What are you doing out here, Homer? Organizing your own private little drill company? That's my volunteer army of Chinese students. Army? I lecture them on the arts and sciences of modern warfare. Sergeant O'Banion out there drills them. Sergeant O'Banion? Just step out here on the porch. See him out there? He's a giant of a man. He's a good soldier. The next sergeant of the 4th U.S. Cavalry used to be a captain in the Philippine Constabulary. He can drill a trooper or a tooth with equal efficiency. You must have a couple hundred volunteers out there. More than that. One of these days, I'm going to take them back to China and take over the revolutionary movement. Uh-huh. Costs a lot of money to do that, wouldn't it? Money's no problem. Come into the house. I want you to meet a man. Most of us scoffed until we discovered that some of the most distinguished Chinese of that day had come there to confer with him. Dr. Sun-Ya Sen made the house his official headquarters. Prime Minister Kang Yu Wei lived there in his dazzling Chinese robes. And Prince Liang-Kee Chu dressed in gorgeous silks and with great wealth took up quarters there. Homer talked to them about the aggressor powers rising in the world. My own country here, as your China, is blind to the dangers that lie ahead. America has great prestige. But against the predatory powers, it's defenseless. America and China must be allies against Japan. If the Japanese knock out Manila and Hawaii, they'll come in hordes and overrun the California coast. With that thought in mind, Little Scrunchneck explored the 2,000 miles of the beaches, bays, inlets and mountain passes of the coast.  Put me down, Sergeant. Can you see all right from here, General? Or should we go up higher? No, no, no. Put me down, Sergeant. This is all right. There we are. Thanks. Look at that canyon down there, General. Like a corridor from the beach right up to this pass. We could mount guns in these places, though. There are hundreds of places like this, Sergeant. Oh, let me have my chart, my pencil. Yes, sir. I got them right here in the bag. Thank you. I'll sit down right here.  Well, every one of them tells us something. What they tell us is not good. It's not good. But they are lookalike, General, these mountains. You've drawn maps of all of them. San Gabriel Mountains, San Jacinto Mountains, to Hatchapiz and the San Bernardinos. Can you see Japanese swarming ashore and up through these canyons? You would think that they really would. They could. That's why we can't stop, Sergeant, until we've charted every place they might attack. When we finish charting the mountains, we'll chart the Mojave Desert, the other deserts we're in attacking for. I saw a little scrunchneck when he came back from those explorations. He was weary and sick and disconsolate. He was about 31 then, but he seemed much older. He lay on an Indian blanket out in Westlake Park, writing notes and dictating the book that was to blaze in his name around the world. He called his book the Valor of Ignorance and he dictated it to his secretary, Ethel Powers. But you'd better rest for a while now, Mr. Lee. Oh, no, no. It's just that the glare of the sun hurts my eyes. You've got to save your strength, Mr. Lee. Oh, no. Man never dies until his work is finished. You always say that. Well, let's see. Why don't we cover it? Well, you've covered so much the military ambitions of the Japanese, how Hawaii will be the key position in the coming war between the United States and Japan. Let's see how the Japanese will take the Philippines and how the Japanese will try to invade the United States along the coast of Washington and Oregon. Ethel, if the Japanese ever got possession of the coast, they could drive us back over the mountains. The Pacific coast is utterly defenseless against Japanese attack. I shiver to think of it. Well, let's go on. San Francisco can only be defended... The Valor of Ignorance stirred a hornet's nest of controversy. Military men, literary men, pacifists, promoters, soldiers, statesmen were moved by it. It's remarkable. It's wonderful. It's nonsense. It's worth it. I haven't been able to sleep since I read it. I see no way to defend ourselves against Japanese attack unless we begin to arm now. If a great nation like America decides to live in peace, it will be let alone by other countries. There is no likelihood of war with Japan. There is no flaw in it. We have made a colossal mistake, and we must seek to correct this mistake now. It's entertaining reading, but it has given to romantic historical generalization. The Valor of Ignorance is a daring and startling book which every American would do well to ponder. It's nonsense. It's worth it. Controversy. Newspapers picked up Homer's thesis and created a sensation with the yellow peril. The idea that the Japanese would be landing on the coast anytime. But Homer Lee had written not in terms of months or even a few years, but in terms of decades. There's no real reason to be distressed, Mr. Lee. This yellow journalism is obscuring the real situation. But look, the real people who understand what you mean. Military men all over the world praise your book. I know. In Japan it went into 24 editions in one month. It's required reading for all the offices in Japan's military services. It's required reading in the military academies of Russia and Germany. I'm thinking of America, Ethel. It's on the shelves in West Point. Lots of books are on the shelves of West Point, but it's only optional reading. Mr. Lee, it will prove its value. We've got to be patient. Everything can't happen at once. If anyone sustained Little Squenchneck's spirit, it was his secretary. Ethel Powers became Homer's eyes as Big Sergeant O'Banion was his body. And she was right about the valor of ignorance proving its value. Lord Roberts, Field Marshal of England, wrote to Homer and invited him to come to London to work out plans for the defense of England against invasion. Homer declined. But Lord Roberts offered to send his own personal doctor to bring him to London. Then came a personal invitation from the German Kaiser. It's wonderful, Mr. Lee. Yes. Just think. The Kaiser wants to bring you to Germany to see the German war maneuvers. Yes. Don't you want to go? You could go and see Lord Roberts in London, too. Yes, yes, I could. I could see both the British and the German war machines. Maybe I could get the German and British governments to back Sonja Sen. And maybe you could see that famous eye doctor in Germany while you were there. We'll go, Ethel. We'll go. While we're there, we can gather material for my next book. We? Yes, we, Ethel. You helped me so much with the valor of ignorance. And I want you to share everything that comes of it. Ethel, would you marry me? So they were married. Ethel Powers and Little Scrunchneck. They sailed to Europe in the spring of 1910. And back from Germany came reports of their visit.  Smaller than he looks. The Kaiser had the carriage specially fitted with high cushions so that he could see. Yeah, but look how he watches to manoeuvres his expression. Oh, he vermin's nothing. You see how he watches the artillery. He is an odd sight in that full-west uniform of a general. His body does not matter. The Kaiser has opened every political and military door to him. Yeah, look at him watch our cavalry. The Germans were right. Oma missed nothing. He saw more than the German military machine. He saw through the surface graciousness of the German character. You mean that these things are characters of the German race, Oma? I do. The German naturally is warlike and ungodly and brutal. Don't you mean just their leaders? Their leaders are characteristic of the German people. They are all one. Then he went to London. He worked with Lord Roberts for months on plans to prevent the invasion of England. He'd seen the German war machine. He'd studied the German mind. Now he applied his knowledge and his genius to Britain's problem and wrote, By the invasion and investment of the British Isles themselves, Can Germany hope to destroy the British Empire?  A Chinese? Yes, one of your agents here in London. Well, let's talk with him. All right. He's waiting at the door. Won't you come in, please? Thank you. We have received work from China generally. Yes? The artillery and engineering corps at Wuchang has gone over to the revolutionists. What? The revolutionists have taken Wuchang and Hangyang with its steel mills and arches. It's come. It's come, Ethel. Yes. The Chinese revolution has come. The province of Hubei has seceded from the Manchu rule. Ethel, we must cable to Sun Yacen in America immediately. Ask him to join us. We're going back to China. As your physician, my advice to you, General Lee, Is that you forgo your journey to China at this time. But this is what I've been waiting for all my life.  This time, the Manchus will be toppled off the dragon throne. Well, let's not go now, Homer. We can go when you're better. If you go now, General Lee, it may cost you your life. Man never dies until his work is finished. Little Scrunchneck went anyway. He and Ethel. Dr. Sun Yacen met them in Marseille, and they sailed for Shanghai. Ethel took care of him, and throughout the 30-day voyage, he wrote feverishly to finish his new book, The Day of the Saxon, the threat of Germany to the British Empire. And when he was not writing, his cabin was littered with maps of China. For now, he was again Lieutenant General of China's armies, and he was working out his campaign against the Manchu throne. You should not be up on deck here, General Lee. Oh, this salt air invigorates me. You've worked out your three people's principles, Dr. Sun? Yes, but they were probably better expressed by your Abraham Lincoln, government of the people, by the people, and for the people. The principles are the same. And we can't fail to achieve them this time. You have your campaign planned? Every detail. Our strange miss is that you and American should be sailing with me back to fight for my China. Our China, Dr. Sun. One day, America will need China as an ally against Japan. We shall perhaps need each other against Japan. Oh, excuse me, Dr. Sun. Homer, you shouldn't be out in this raw weather. Come on inside, please. Mrs. Lee always treats me like a weakling. Come on, then. Go inside. The shadows were lengthening our little scrunch neck by the time they got to China. He dragged his little 88-pound body till he could drag it no further. Then they carried him in a palanquin and almost helpless. He led his army against the Manchus until they were swept from the throne. At Nanking, he saw his friend, Dr. Sun Yacen, inaugurated as the first president of the New Republic of China. Congratulations, my deepest congratulations to you, Dr. Sun. Thank you, General. Do you know the song the band just played? I know. It was God be with you till we meet again, wasn't it? Yes. The first part of our task is done. I cannot express all that China owes you, generally.  And if he does not come, Republic or no, the hour of your ancient kingdom has come. I know, General. A great fight lies ahead. But why do you say a last word of warning? Because I am going back to America. The darkness is closing in on me. Don't say that, Homer. You must go back and rest. I wish that I could go back with you to your beach house in Santa Monica. Goodbye, Dr. Sun. Goodbye, General Lee. Goodbye. Goodbye, Dr. Sun. Take my arm, Homer. I'll leave the way. Yes. The darkness was closing in on the frail little hunchback. He was almost blind, and his valiant heart was failing. They carried him aboard ship on a stretcher and brought him home to California. I saw him in those last days at Santa Monica. His feeble little hunchbacked body lying there as if it were not real. We talked about our college days. We didn't really talk much. Most of what we meant was in what we didn't say. But I remember how he looked up at me and said, Must I die? Not knowing if my work is finished. Well, the life in his struggling heart flickered out. In the 36th year of his life, the darkness closed in on him. A little scrunch neck. In the hushed, eloquent hours before the last words were said over him, his poor little body laid rest in his resplendent uniform with his long sword at peace at his side. But even as he lay there, forever past the pain and the anguish of the wars he had studied all his days, his words were coming true. He had seen with almost mystic insight forces were already at work in the world, spawning World War I and as it sequels World War II. The distant drums were throbbing and two years after his death, Germany was at England's throat. The world was engulfed in World War I. Twenty years later, Adolf Hitler was to steal two paragraphs from the Valor of Ignorance and put them into his own book, Mein Kampf. And thirty years later, the Japanese were to strike at Hawaii, were to invade the Philippines at precisely the place he had foreseen, were to sweep like a mighty tidal wave of destruction through the Pacific, and were to be fought by China and America as allies. Bahoma Lee, with his failing eyes, had seen far beyond the vision of mortal man. You have been listening to The Pacific Story, presented by the National Broadcasting Company and its affiliated independent stations as a public service to clarify events in the Pacific and to make understandable the cross-court of life in the Pacific Basin. A reprint of this Pacific Story program is available at the cost of ten cents. Send ten cents in stamps or coin to University of California Press, Berkeley, California. The story is written and directed by Arnold Marquis. The original musical score was composed and conducted by Thomas Paluso. The role of Homer Lee was played by Edgar Barrier. This program came to you from Hollywood. This is the National Broadcasting Company.


Should we, should we sally forth and continue to find out what's going on? Yeah, do you have any idea? You might be asking yourself, what did I just buy? An actual fireman? Video three out of four, last one. All right. 75% done. Yes. All time. Just, just close enough. When we get close to finishing, we just add more. Well, we found out nothing else had values. We just dropped it off at 75. It's just fluff. So that became 100%? Yeah. So how to make 75% out of time? So I think the last thing in the series here that we want to remind you of is to evaluate your own effects. I know we kind of hinted at some other areas here, but. Oh, but my policy and procedures are perfect. They don't need to be evaluated. No, they don't. They don't, not at all. Are you a baby analyst? Yeah, yeah. Did you take your research methods classes? Yeah. Yeah. Don't blame me. You're the one I attended yours. That's scary. No wonder we don't measure things well. Yeah. Neither one of us are probably trained. Yeah. It's all good. We're just out there with measuring tapes. I just want group behavior. That's all I want. Just average. Percent. We'll get the percents. Averages. We'll do some enovas and some t-tests and throw in some structural equation modeling and life's golden. There you go and do it all. That's structural equation modeling, but it is now. That's how I feel about it. I'm going to monitor it all indirectly. It would be great. Yeah. Ooh, indirect assessment. I don't want that. Yeah. No. No. No. Please try again. Something. What was it you were doing? You were recording something with people? No. It's from the recent kind of promotion, if you will, and or what's going on. Yeah. Now I'm in charge of people and trying to monitor what they're doing by caseloads. Okay. Yeah. So I got a series of people. Yeah. And they all have a certain level of product, i.e. billable requirements. A series of people. I'm like, what's model? Yeah. Here at Sidecore, we use the science to teach the science. From Skinner's program instruction to show and tell. With a little bit of entertainment along the way. Anyway. Well, we do get into that, but that's way too detailed. Yeah. But the idea being we have certain metrics, those targets they're supposed to be hitting. And I have gotten into the role where my responsibility is to make sure that that was at least hit and investigate what's in the way of why is that achievable or not. Sure. Right? And then there's the new BCBAs coming through and building up their caseload. Well, they're not hitting certain billable targets. Why? Well, they don't have enough kids. Why don't they have enough kids if we start looking at wait lists and all that fun garbage? Right? The big evaluation piece that I was talking to you about was, well, we were noticing that we were trying to get them to hit 25 hours a week in direct billable kind of requirements. Right? Sure. And their caseload maintains because techs go and do their things. And if the sessions occurred, that graph itself does its thing. But the personal one, that's the one where it would, it wax and wane depending on what's kind of going on. Right. Neither they forget to schedule or whatever the small reason is. But what I was noticing is kind of did my own reflection where we would look at, I'd look at the team and all their individual scores. And what was fun is when we first, we were excited about this new process and this new idea, so we'd talk about it. And all the individual hours went, ooh, great. That kind of went up. And then we, for lack of, you know, not lack of a better term, but we kind of habituated to the idea. Sure. Right? And we just, yeah. That was fun. It was, it was cool. And we just forgot about it. And the scores went, boom. Ooh. How are you saying you had an A-B design? I do. Yeah. Actually, this is a B-A. Yeah. You remove the intervention. Yeah. So, and then I was like, well, that's not healthy. Right? We like to eat, go, go work please. Right. So we, so I threw the conversations back in. Huh. And they stabilized. Crossed everybody. So you did a B-A-B design. Mm-hmm. Yeah. So you evaluated your own, evaluated, evaluation tool.  Yeah. The intervention was that conversation. And now that we've, and became, made that like, I know you might have time, I know you might not have time to meet with me this week, but I at least need 10 minutes to go over these key pieces. Yep. From the leak before. Yep. So you're, ooh. Now you're even refining the intervention. Yeah. Only deliver the stuff that has control over behavior. Yep. So, at a minimum, you need to check in with me on the following. Ding, ding, ding. And now all the scores are going up to where they need to be and holding. I think that's invaluable. Constantly evaluating the performance of the, of the actions of the organization and the administrators in the organization are taking in order to, in fact, change within the organization is important. That's basically, in a sense, a type of treatment integrity. You're saying, did I do this at right number one? And then so did I deliver the information that was relevant? And then number two is that having an impact. If it's not having an impact, quit doing it. Yeah. If it is having an impact, keep it going. Like maybe tease some pieces out and test that and see what the effect those have. So when you're doing this OBM stuff, when you're in there, in that office, you have to be trying to maintain, evaluating your own behavior. It's like a form of self-management. I have a similar issue. There was a report that I generate and send out to people about the performance of the organization as a whole. It's got a whole bunch of little layers in it. And because of random things, I stopped doing it. And it just kind of died. I skip it as a weekly thing. Yeah. Skip it, start skipping it. Next thing, you know, everything tanks. All right. All sorts of problems started happening in terms of staffing, not staffing, but in terms of keeping clients in the door and all these fun stuff. So we put it back. All right. And the things kind of stabilized. Now, whether or not that particular intervention is what's driving that change is a different question. But in the context of the data we have, it sure looks like that intervention is what's keeping the behavior going in terms of certain behavior. I don't want to get too deep into it, because it's a really long example. So we had something, a bee, we took it away, we started losing some clients, and then not bringing in new clients as frequently. So we put it back in place. And again, there you go. Now we're keeping clients up and things like that.  Doing it. Don't know what it is yet. I'm going to evaluate that over the next coming years and figure it out. Yeah. Yeah. So evaluate yourself. Evaluate your own interventions. Well, just be mindful of those evaluations.  Did you just say be intentional in a fancy way? I did. I did say being intentional in a fancy way. And I know it's not very behavioral to say be intentional, but the point is make sure that whatever you're doing, at least it's targeted at a specific thing. That's what we mean by intentional in this case. Describe just more like time to schedule training and develop what you want next instead of... Train the response you're after. Yeah. Instead of just walking through and being like, Punishers and reinforcers and... Reinforcers for everyone. You're going to be like, No, here we go. We're going to hold a training. I know it sounds ridiculous because you already know a basic idea. This is a tiny change, but if we don't do it in this organized fashion intention, it's going to roll. And that gives you the opportunity for the person participating in the actual task to provide the feedback about how they can do their job better. Instead of a top-down approach, now you can say, Hey, we've got to improve this system a little bit. You got any ideas? What are you seeing? What are you seeing? Because I don't know. That's a whole other video on that. Yeah. Let's pause right there before we get into that topic because I can see we're cheering ourselves. That's the fourth one you were... That's the fourth in the trees video. Well, we just said this was the final three out of four. That's the fourth one. It is, but we can't do that in the trees. That's a whole different issue. It's true. I don't even know what it is. We'll go find out. Yeah, somewhere else. In a bar. Nice. Sounds good to me. Let's get out of this forest. Alright. Then go look at the trees. Ooh, pretty.


Hey guys, what is up? Welcome to my channel. So today's video is a little bit different than the norm here on my channel. Today we aren't focusing on new products.  This video was really fun for me to film just because I got to sit down, do my makeup, and use the makeup that I wanted without having to worry about what's new, what I need to review. I just picked out some things from my collection that I feel like I haven't used as much as I would like to, and I put it on my face and I did it on camera for you guys. I did a really warm, pretty look for fall. I know a lot of you guys are on low buys or no buys or just want to go back and use the old products because we are so oversaturated with new products. So I do of course want to accommodate to you guys. So if you want to see some of the older products that I love and use in today's video, then just keep watching. Guys, so I didn't realize I would be uploading this on Thanksgiving. So I wanted to take a moment to wish you all a happy Thanksgiving, happy travels. I hope you guys get to eat a lot of good food. And I just wanted to take a second to tell you guys how thankful I am for you. Thank you so much for watching my videos and supporting me and commenting. It all really means so much to me. So it wouldn't feel right if I didn't get to personally wish you guys a happy Thanksgiving. So the primer that I put out for today's video is the Too Faced Hangover Replenishing Face Primers. I think this is one of the earlier primers that had come out. And it was very, very popular for quite some time. And I still love this. I haven't used it in a while because so many hydrating primers have come out since then that are great. But I recently started using this again just because it's getting colder outside. And I can definitely feel my skin becoming a little bit more dry. So I've been using this again. It's pretty lotion-y feeling. So I feel like I can feel it actually sinking into the skin. It's not super thin and silicone-y feeling. It has a little bit of grip to it, which I think is really great for foundation. And I actually feel like it moisturizes. So this is kind of an oldie but goodie product. I personally love it. And I recommend it to everybody still to this day. So this one is still awesome. I still use it very often. The foundation that I picked out for today is the Laura Mercier Flawless Lumiere Radiance Perfecting Foundation. This was popular for quite some time. I haven't used it in a while because I got really tanned this summer. And this one is too light. This is two and two. So let's see if it matches me. I really enjoy this foundation. I think it's really great for dry skin. It's really pretty and it wears a decent amount of time. It's just an overall very solid foundation. And for a while it was my favorite. I just haven't used it in a few months. But I think Laura Mercier has some really fantastic face products. And I'm happy to see them being used in videos and on social media. Because Laura Mercier can be an easily forgotten brand. But they really do put out quality products in my opinion. Pumper on this doesn't pump out that much product I feel like. So I have to keep going in and pumping out more. Okay so it has a more medium coverage. Not super full coverage or anything. But it is a really pretty foundation that just feels super light on the skin. I'm gonna put a little bit of extra coverage right in the areas on my face that need it the most.  This is the face and body sponge. So it's really big because you're supposed to use it for the body. But I just, I love it on the face too. I stopped and used a regular beauty blender for a while. But I pulled this one out and I'm really happy about it. So for eyebrows I never really do anything super special for eyebrows. I think I'm just gonna play around with the color pop brow boss. And then the Urban Decay brow blade. I'm gonna do this off camera because it takes way too much focus. And so eyebrows are done. Let's move on to concealer. For concealer I chose the Makeup Forever Ultra HD concealer. The catch on this was that it was self setting. And honestly makeup forever just paid a lot of influencers to sponsor their videos. So this concealer was talked about quite a lot. And I do like it. I don't think it's the best concealer. But I do think it's a nice concealer. So I've been thinking about doing shot my stash-esque videos for a while now. And this one is kind of starting it off. My first one just kind of picking some older products that I simply felt like using. But if I do continue to do these styles of videos if you guys like them. I'm thinking of doing kind of like themed shot my stash style videos like Michelle Wong just did. Using only limited edition products. And I was just thinking in terms of maybe doing like products I've only used once. Holiday 2018 makeup. Just any kind of theme of me going back digging through my collection. And finding things to dig through that theme. And putting them on my face. Let me know what you think about that. And if you have any suggestions put them down below. Now I can't guarantee I'll film these videos a ton. Just just because you guys know I do love reviewing on new releases. But honestly I get so many comments about you guys being on no buys. And wanting to go back to order stuff. So I definitely want to accommodate you guys as well. Also it is fun to be able to go and use my collection. Because that doesn't get to happen too often. Just because of the nature of my channel. So I would like to switch it up a little bit. And sprinkle in some of these older product kind of videos for you guys. So now we're going to use the Mac and Patrick Star Powder. So like for example if I were to do a holiday 2018 video. I would probably incorporate this as well. This powder created quite a buzz. I never really fell in love with this powder. I think it's a good powder. I don't know to me setting powders. I'm not too picky on them. Just because I use very little to set very little areas on my face. So I'm not a big picky person when it comes to setting powders. I mean I can tell a nice one from a bad one. And this one is for sure a nice one. My lips are so crusty right now. I apologize. So now I'm going to use my Mac Paint Pot as my eyeshadow base. My favorite brush to apply my paint pot is the Esum W25. I also use this brush to apply concealer on clients. It's seriously one of the best brushes. Super versatile for cream products. There are so many different eyeshadow palettes that I could choose for this segment. It's probably the most exciting part. But after this I'm finally filming my Visiart rankings video. So we're going to play with a couple of my Visiart palettes. So I know I'm finally working on that video. I'm really excited. This is one of my newer ones. So I want to work with this one. This is the Warmats. So I'm going to get my warm shades from here. And then I think I'm going to get my shimmers from the Alcone palette with Visiart. This was a collaboration. So this palette is filled with amazing transition colors. So I'm going to start off with this light creamy base shade. And I'm just going to kind of spread it out all along here. I think if you have a medium skin tone, this is great to set underneath the brow. I'm kind of trying to do this, but it might be a shade too dark for this step. But that's okay. And we are going to move into this brown next. I'm not going to do anything super crazy for this look today. I just want to keep it simple. Obviously I chose this for the brown shade. Even though this is a Warmats palette, I really like that this isn't all like orange red and yellow shades. You just have some warm tone neutral shades that are super versatile as well. But that's why Visiart is great at what they do and why they have their reputation for professionals. They stick with the theme, but they also actually pick colors that make sense that will actually be used. And then we are going to spice it up with this shade right here. Just kind of throwing colors on my eyes. I feel like that shade really holds its own. I feel like in a palette where the shadows aren't as great quality, this shade would kind of dust away and be invisible on this kind of look. And this brush is so versatile. This is the Wayne Goss number 18. You can pack and blend with this brush. It's awesome. I'm going to add some depth and mix these two shades. This right here, slowly work that in. I just feel like with my schedule, I don't get to play with my collection as much as I would like. So if I were to periodically film videos like these, it would be so awesome just to have a real reason to dig into my order makeup instead of having to constantly be using new releases for my reviews and videos. And as you can see, I'm really adding the depth and you can see how freaking amazing these shadows are blending. It's honestly just unreal. So I did make it a little bit more smoky just because I am filming a couple of videos. So I do want my makeup to stand out a little bit. So now we're done with warm mats. So I'm going to play with this orange shade right here. And then I'm going to put gold in the inner part. I haven't used this particular palette, the Alcone palette too terribly much, as much as I hate to admit that. But I really just like the palette itself and how it looks. Then of course, you are getting a really nice formula with them too. What I didn't like about this palette is that there are just repeat shades from other palettes. And if you're crazy like me and own all of their palettes, but the curation of this palette was too pretty for me to pass up on. And I dig into that gold shade that I showed you. So these shades would look incredible if you use them wet. I think in some palettes where Vizier lacks is their shimmer formula, if I'm being honest. In some palettes, I think their shimmer formula is incredible. And then in other palettes, I think they're just okay. So it is kind of dependent on the palette, how their shimmers work. I would say the shimmers in this palette are their average formula, but they're not bad. But they're still just like super good though. And I'm going to take this light shade right here and we're going to highlight the inner corner with that. Boom. That's stunning. Oh my goodness. This look, by the way, is so good for Thanksgiving. So for bronzer, I'm actually going to be using a drugstore item. This is the Maybelline City bronzer. This is such a good bronzer. The drugstore has some really nice bronzers that I enjoy. I do actually get asked a lot about bronzers. Some people seem to be, from what I can tell, you're very picky with the bronzer that you like and what matches your undertone, which is completely fine. I'm going to be honest. For me, I'm not really picky when it comes to bronzer, as long as it's not splotchy or and it blends out. Chances are I'll probably like it. I just think there's a lot of great bronzers out there.  This one, I would say, is a little bit more cool toned. So it does a good job of kind of deepening the areas and giving you a little bit of sculpt. It's not super warm. So this one is 200, which I like. If you're very fair, I also like the 100 a lot. For days that I want a less chiseled look and more just dimension, love that one. But this is a really great bronzer from the drugstore. So for blush, I picked out a palette that I'm surprised I like as much as I do. And this is the Morphe Blush Palette. I'm just very attracted to the way that it looks. And I can't lie, it's a decent blush palette. I think the quality in here is really nice. And I haven't used this in a while just because I have so many other blushes that I like more than this. But this one isn't bad. I thought I would give it some love. So I'm going to go into provocative. And then I'm going to take a little bit of beat on top to add extra sheen to the look. But yeah, if you go in with a really light hand, that shade is not as intimidating as it looks. And I think this blush in particular will look really nice on deeper skin tone. But see how I just use a little touch of it on the cheek and it doesn't look as intimidating at all. Really pretty. And I'm going to go into beat that shimmer just to add a little bit of fun to the face. This is by the way, the Warm Blush Palette. And it is really nice. If you're on a budget and you want some range in your blushes, I definitely would recommend looking into this one. It's good. I like it. Now for highlight, I chose something that I wanted to kind of take a second go around for. And this is the Natasha Denona Glow Gold Duo. Now this is actually on sale for Black Friday. So I would definitely recommend to picking this up if you've been wanting it. But in my initial review of it, I wasn't that crazy about it. So I wanted to try it again because I haven't tried it again since I'm starting off here. And if I recall, yeah, just a bit glittery. I was going to return it and then just time passed and it never happened. Yeah, I mean, I still definitely think it's a bit glittery for my taste. It applied more glitter than it did glow. So I'm going to go into this one, which is a bit dark for my skin tone, but it's doable. I still don't really love this. Let me take that light shade. We're just going to add a little bit of gleam to the eyes. Yeah, this is just better on the eyes for me personally. So if you don't like glitter, you're not going to like this highlight. I think it'd be really neat on a deeper skin tone though, but you still have to like glitter. For a little extra glow to my face, I'm using the Wet n Wild Highlighting Gold Bar.  I don't know. See, now I'm having problems for any blush out here. I'm just going to do that to add an additional kind of glow to the face. This is like a really cool $4 highlighter. If you can grab it at your stores, it's really good. Okay, so I'm going to do liner lashes and all of that good stuff. Nothing that's really worth seeing. And I'll be back for the lips. Okay, so of course liner and lashes made the biggest difference. So I used the Colourpop Liquid Liner in Grande, which is just a brown liquid liner. And then I used my lashes in a box, which you can get from Use Beauty Pro in the style number 28. And these are basically like our Del Demi Whispies. Lips, grab some random things that I felt like using. So I'm going to use my MAC Lip Pencil in Cork. To this day, MAC has one of my favorite lip liner formulas. They're Waxy. And I like a good soft lip liner formula. But I feel like Waxy lip liners actually do their job as a lip liner. And they really stop that lipstick from going outside the lines. And then over top, I'm using a Morphe color in the shade Boo, because it's like a really neutral peachy brown. So this shade without that round liner would have gone horribly wrong. With the Cork, I love it. I do want a little extra shine. So I'm using one of my most used lip glosses. This is from Jeffree Star. It's Legends Only. I just love this color. It's a very neutral color. I mean, honestly, it's almost clear. I don't know. For some reason, I really, really love this gloss. I love the formula. I love the packaging. I do always need to wipe it off, though, before I put it back in, so it doesn't mix colors. And then, boom, here is the final look. I mean, I feel like this video didn't have too much of a point. I kind of just wanted to put on makeup and put on the makeup that I wanted to put on. Not have to worry about what's new or not have to worry about revealing it for you guys and really taking in the formula. Just using what I wanted to use and doing it on camera for you guys. So let me know if you liked this style of video. I know it's nothing super exciting, but I find videos like these using older products a bit relaxing and filming it was super relaxing. Just putting on this stuff. Everything I used, I really, really liked except for the highlighter. Other than that, I'm very happy with how this look turned out. It's perfect for Thanksgiving. Thank you guys so much for watching this video. I hope you found it helpful. Let me know some older products that you would like to see me use on camera, and I definitely will. And I will see you guys in my next video. Bye, guys. Have a good one.