And so in this video, I'm going to give a tutorial of how I would set up to do this, and I've got a volunteer here. Thank you, Anne Epley for setting up a brand new to do as to count and that way I don't feel like I have to reveal my private tasks. I could just be playing with a brand new account. And so what I'll probably have and do is to share her screen and then I can Request remote control and I have other participants here who might come up with questions in the chat that That I'll bring forward. So everybody here, please go ahead and post your questions in real time, even if you posted it in in our Facebook group, you could You know, repost, you know, at the shorthand of the question and then we'll go from there. So Hi, Anne. Hey, George. Yeah, thanks for thanks for setting up the account. And when you're ready, go ahead and share your screen and I will request remote control and then we'll go from there. Okay. And looks like you've got your to do list. Yeah, is that the one. Oh, good. Okay, all right. Nice clean to do list. Okay, I'm like, yeah, I was not going to share my current to do list. Yeah, exactly. So yeah, now I think I can I'm able to control your screen. You might have to give permissions. Is that right? You have to I did Oh, you I am controlling. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. So I want to just first kind of give everyone a quick overview of how to do list works. And let me zoom in a little bit here. Okay, so to do list is as simple or as complicated as you want it to be. Right. You can literally just start a list of tasks, this Do that, do this other thing. And then you've got a list of tasks and we are in the today folder. So that's why when we're in the today folder and we we add tasks to the today folder. It all shows up for today's date. That's today's due date. Okay, so if I go into this task. And if I click on the the date. No, no, I'm sorry, that's the project. Sorry, the dates up here. You could see that the due date is today. And I could I could set the due date for tomorrow. And the nice thing about to do one of the nice things about to do is is there are short hands. So tomorrow is just TMR. Okay. And I press enter and it automatically knows it's August 30 And I just press enter and I do this all day long, you know, TMR or next week or whatever. Do that other thing. I'm going to do that other thing next week. It was like, you know, next Thursday, next Thursday, it knows shortcuts. And it knows what T it, you know, Thursday is Thursday. Wed's is Wednesday. Fry is Friday. It's very smart. It like I'll have all or you can type out the whole thing if you like typing So you can see that today is we only have one thing left to do today because the other things have been put into and you can click on the next seven days. This is all set up automatically for you. This is a brand new to do is to count and You already have all these things. Okay, so you can see tomorrow I'm doing this and and next oh Next Friday. Oh, you know, I thought I was going to do something next Friday. How do I find that thing. Well, the box is super useful.  Okay, I was going to try to do an annotation, but I can't seem to do that now. Okay, so I was going to do something next Friday. So can I see all my tasks for next Friday. Yes, you can guess what you go into the quick find area and you type next Fried next fry or next Friday and press enter and that Oh, I don't have any when when did I do is I did I did I say next Thursday or next Friday. I think next Thursday. Right. Next Thursday. Ah, yes. Next Thursday. I have one task do this other thing. So that's the search box is so smart. You could search words in the tasks like Oh, when was I going to do this thing. Okay, this press enter. Oh, yeah, this is all the results for tasks that have the word this in it. Right. But you can also, like I said, search. What am I doing tomorrow, TMR or tomorrow, you could type out tomorrow. Tomorrow, that's what I'm doing. So to do this is very intuitive. Once you realize that they've probably already thought about it. In the search box, you can search whatever you want. You could search projects, you could search tasks, you could search comments, you could search a particular date. What am I doing on September. September 6 except six Friday. I'm not doing anything on Friday. But now that I'm looking at Friday, I can add tasks and you could see the Friday date is already there. Do the super cool thing. Okay, press enter. Alright, so that's that's but now if I come back to today. I'm only doing this one thing today. Whatever that means. Okay, so Let's see if there are any questions thus far. And by the way, if you have any questions in real time to what I've just said, please feel free to unmute. I just, you know, really that that'll make things faster. Okay, and and the other thing I'm about to do is that's really important is what's called projects. Okay, projects are how you organize your long list of tasks. Things like, okay, now this is going to be marketing. Now this is going to be administration. Now this is going to be shopping list, right. So all these different things. So let's say I'm going to add a couple of marketing tasks. And I'm just going to mute you for the time being and then you can always unmute when you have something Post on Facebook post on Twitter. I'm just post on Send email to partner to business partner to this partner. Do my bookkeeping. I'm just going to do some random tasks. Optimize my website, you know, and follow up with client. I'm just doing some random random tasks here.  Okay, do a brain dump. And you could probably do the brain dump in the inbox. So what's the difference between inbox and today pop quiz. Anybody know. All right, this is probably too hard a question right now inbox is everything that isn't in a project. Inbox is the uncategorized items. Because once you put something in a project, it's categorized in a project. Right. So inbox is uncategorized, unprojected items. Today is just simply either projected or unpro... all objects, all items that have today's due date. That's what today means. And next seven days is all objects, all items that have a due date in the next seven days. Okay. So that's that's all that's all these these three boxes mean. So if you put something in the inbox, here I am in the inbox, I can either add a task down here, or I can add a task up here. It's really the same, the same, the same thing just two two different places. But if you like putting something at the bottom of a list, you know, if that makes it feel better for you then then put it down here. And you could say, you know, prepare for online course. Okay. And notice, if I put something in the inbox, there is no due date. Right. Because it's just in the inbox. There's no project associated. There's no due date. And then that that's dangerous. It's dangerous because it can easily get lost in this long list of uncategorized undue dated items. Like I think everything should either have a project or a due date or both, because otherwise it's very dangerous and it's no man's land it's like just floating out there in the in the universe. Okay, so when you come into to do is the first thing you should do is to do a brain dump, probably in the today. So at least, you know, once tomorrow rolls around, all these items will be called overdue. And you'll, so the today folder will have everything that's due today and that's everything that's overdue also. You'll see all the overdue. So I'll give you an example. If this item, if I put this item yesterday in the today, if I was, let's go back in time one day, and I put this in the today folder yesterday. Okay. See now. Okay, and that's one one little quirk about to do is sometimes when you mess around a little too much, you might have to refresh the browser. So I'm just going to refresh real quick here. And the today folder what happened. Oh, you know what I just didn't know that that's not to do is fault you know what I it didn't when I put August 28. It said, you don't possibly mean you're going to overdo yourself on something. You meant August 28 of next year, or this coming year, didn't you. So when I put August 28, August 28 2020. That's what I thought I meant when I put August 28. So I'm going to, I'm just going to make it super clear. I'm going to know this was, this was yesterday, yesterday. Okay, now when I go to do. There you go. I go to today folder. This is what it's going to look like it's going to give you a list of overdue items, and then it's going to give you a list of today items. Okay. So, so first thing to do to do is do a brain dump in the today folder. Second thing to do is to put your projects in. So projects are, for example, I'm going to do very simple projects because that's, yeah, I just just for the sake of time. So marketing, okay, marketing as a project. Don't worry about adding to favorites. Don't worry about project color for now, although you could make it colorful if you want because each project can have its own color so that all the tasks within the project has that color. So we'll just, we'll play with that. So let's say marketing is teal. Okay, click add. Great. Okay, so now I have the marketing project. Where is the marketing project. Ah, now it shows up here.  Hey, whatever that means, click top, top, top, top, whatever. Okay, and then click on this is clients, client work, client work. Okay, client work. Yay, super exciting. I'm going to do magenta. Okay, so three very different colors. And to do is put a welcome project in there just to kind of help you on board, help you use the software if you go, if you go to the welcome project, welcome to do is let you get started with a few tips. What, where are the tips. And maybe you already got rid of them. I don't know. I don't know where the tips are. Because this is. Oh, I clicked on the comments. Save time. Okay, you haven't comments and file uploads are premium features. Oh, okay. Right. I actually use comments all the time. So, unfortunately, we were not able to demo that here, because this is a free account, but I do use comments a lot. Comments is where I put the next steps for a particular task. Okay, so for example, let me let me see if I could show you something on my screen.  So I'll show you my own to do list real quick. Okay, so basically, this is today. 730am send so you can actually put a time today at 730am enter. Okay. And then that that will show up and the reason why it's read is because it's overdue because it's past 730am. And I did send it launched email at 730am, but I forgot to let buddy out. I've been trying to get into a rhythm with my wife where because I usually walk in at 10am and just like what you hadn't let him out since last night. Like, well, I just don't want him to start getting into the habit of bothering me too early. So it's like, but he's been holding it in. Well, I don't know. He hasn't rung the bell. We have a little bell for buddy. He actually rings the bell when he needs to go and he's just all quiet all morning. So I'm trying to get into a habit of letting him out and I've kind of ignored that this morning. So, so basically, the comments is where I put the sort of the details, most productive business act is kind of reminding myself of what those are. And you know, it's like courses, improving master heart. So you can see you all are important. That's one of my most productive business activities improving things for you guys. Let's see here. So it's like mh tapering from free to paid like what do I mean by that. So it's like I write notes in here for like posts I want to write. Let me see if I can iterate on the new vision. What does that mean. Okay, I don't know if I can soak rice. So you know I have personal items in here too. Right. So let me go back to let me let me start a task and I'll show you so if I wanted to do a task and I go reach out to client. Okay. The problem with a lot of us is that we look at a task and we get frozen because it's too scary for us to do. But nothing is scary when you do baby steps. When I reach out to the client is scary for me. And I feel that already. Right. Then I will add a add a comment to say the next step to reach out to a client is to what is a baby step that feels really good to me that feels like oh that's not scary for me. So what's not scary for me is to open email draft. And, and write three things that I might want to say when I reach out to the client. That's not scary. Right. And maybe what also suits me is to say well I'm really scared after I read the three things. So it's like send draft to friend coach. And I might I might be specific about the specific person you know Bob to see what he thinks he thinks am I crazy, you know, and then after that it's like after Bob writes back, then edit the draft, then send to client. You see, so I soothe myself. This is really, really important productivity skill. You have to learn to soothe yourself. The truth. You can do anything in the world that you set your mind to that you commit to you can you can literally go to the moon. You could say, Okay, I'm going to add add and then once I do this. Okay, immediately click on make me check the date, make sure that it doesn't is not in a no man's land. Check that it's you know it's today or in a particular date that I'm not going to forget about it. I may want to set a project. Okay, to say whatever it's not the right project but once I set a project, it automatically puts that in to say you want that right and I click add task. Okay, so now it's now it's in there. All right, but you can literally, you know, go to moon.  You just have to take baby steps at it. Well, how the hell do I go to the moon. Well, the first thing I got to do is probably Google search how to build rocket. Okay, and then after that Google search how to get funding to build rocket right like you can do anything you want to do with to do list and with Google. Okay, and then you know I'm being facetious here but you the reason why so many of us don't move forward is because we don't define baby steps, and then we don't set a due date. Okay, and it's like, go to the moon. When I say go to the moon August 29. I don't literally mean I'm going to go to the moon. I just mean I'm going to work on the next thing. So I go to the comments go yep I've already Google how to build a rocket. Now I can delete that now I'm going to Google how to fund the rocket update. I'm going to do that next. Okay, so that's one way to do baby steps into do this is just to put it in the comments. I think that's the easiest way. But another way of doing baby steps into do list is to keep adding.  Okay, go to moon. The next baby step is Google. How to reach out to Elon Musk. Okay. And then next step after that is draft a letter to Elon. After that I might want to ask friends, if I am crazy, or any ideas to go to moon. Okay, and basically once I have these sub steps, I can click and drag this these not six dots. I can click and drag it. Wait, can I. Oh, you know what the reason why I can't click and drag these things is I'm in the today folder today folder has certain restrictions. So what I'm going to do is I'm going to select one, I'm going to select these items and put them into a project. Okay, but first I have to create the project the pre project is click on plus project moonshot. Okay, and charcoal that's the color of the moon I think click add. Okay, now moonshot has nothing in here so I'm going to move the stuff that I just brainstormed. And I'm going to do it by holding down the, the, holding down the command key on my keyboard. Hold down command on the windows it's control and click command click man click. I'm going to move these items I've selected these items are yellow now and I'm going to click move to project up here and move the project. Okay, so now they're in moonshot. And I'm going to go into moonshot because remember today has certain restrictions. So I'm going to go into moonshot. And now I can organize it this way. I want to click and drag and I'm going to move it nested underneath this one but but let's say for whatever reason this was this was. This was here. Okay, but these, I'm just going to organize for you. Okay, so I'm going to go. I'm going to drag this under here go to moon. I'm going to drag this one under here. Okay, you can you can be nest things under under other things. Okay, so first first I'm going to ask friends if I'm crazy. And maybe I'm going to draft a letter E on Musk first and then I'm going to ask, I'm going to Google how to reach out to him. Okay, so then you can collapse these items or you can collapse all of it. That makes sense. And then guess what, if I finish all these items, if I already, if I already Googled this and I drafted the letter, if I click on this item, this will this will also complete all the items underneath it. Okay, if I click on this top. See, if I if I uncompleted this one. It says, well, maybe you didn't draft a letter yet but maybe you did already do that.  Okay, so let me see. Are there any questions before I move on. So, George, I have a question. Yes, go ahead. So, excuse me, the comments were in the premium. So I saw that but what was the other thing that was in the premium attachments file attachments. So you could you could basically design website right and in to attach something you have to do you have to go into the comments. So that's part of it you have to go into the comments to be able to attach. You can touch anything you can attach from even from Google Drive. Okay, I click on Google Drive, it'll ask me if I if I want to allow to do is to use Google Drive and then you'll find my Google Drive files. So you or you can just drag and drop a computer file on here and you can even you can even attach a voice memo so I can say, start recording. Allow. So I'm going to design a website. Okay, and then I could, I could play it or attach. I don't know if you can hear I don't think I shared my computer audio so I don't think you hear that but I know that should. So I could, you know, write notes to myself I can also even attach smiley faces. Quick add comments so be sure to add a comment after you attach something. Then, yeah. What do you think the greatest reason would be to use to pay for the premium versus just the free account. Based on your. Just removes restrictions so you don't have to be annoyed by the restrictions. I think honestly, and I think the premium is only to do is this. I think pretty affordable. I think it's like three, three dollars a month. I believe I think it's. Yeah, three dollars a month. That's that's that's the one I'm on annually it's $36 or whatever. Yeah, I think it's really worth it. It's, well, because if you use it all the time, it's totally worth it. Okay. So yeah, and anything else what else would make you feel like oh my god I'm really set up now I can use this. Well it looks like you can do the projects but if you stay with the free one, you would use like subcategories under the projects for your comments. Is that right. There are there are comments. There are sub tasks and then there are sub projects. Okay, that's the projects within projects. Yeah, yeah. And when you're sorting by a project when you go into a project. These are my video ideas. When you go into a project, it's going to be randomly sorted. Okay, so you can click on the three dots at the top right of a project, and you can sort by date. Or we can so now I'm sorting the project by date. You can also sort the project by priority. We haven't even talked about priority. And I should talk about priority here. Priority is basically the way I think about priority is that red is okay. So priority and to do is goes like this. There's red, orange, blue, and white, and in that order of priority. And for me, red means something I should look at in the morning. Okay, I have to remind myself in relationship with my wife. I'm not the one who knows all the right answers. So I even have relationship reminders in my to do list, or like life reminders, like, hey, don't be so judgmental for other people, you know, like, oh yeah, that's a good point.   And then and then basically the white items are really optional for today. I don't really have to do it if I don't want to. So that's, that's what I'm, that's what I'm up to. And things that are really timer, like I really, I'm kind of ignoring this right now I really shouldn't ignore it, but I'm not perfect either following my to do list. Okay, Eddie asked a great question labels, I ignore labels, I don't use labels, I think labels are, are, are labels are like another, another access. Okay, if a project if tasks is one axis projects another axis labels as like a third dimensional process, it's like another way to create it's like another, it's like another type of project is what a label is. And so I think labels are super confusing. I don't use labels at all. But labels. So I, here's what I would really recommend. Like I said to do this can be a simple or as complicated as you make it. I've used to do us now for more than five years I think now, like every single day, or maybe three years, whatever it is. I have learned to keep it simple, because then it makes it fast for me, like fast from my brain and how I how I work with it. So I think you should let go of labels unless you have a compelling reason why you really should use it. Okay, so for example, I'm not going to even go into their filters though can be useful filters allow you to, to create things that are, for example, easily.  Oh, hide from favorites. Oh, these are all favorites, favorites are basically projects or filters that will show up above the above the projects, above the projects listings. But let me show you what what my filters are. Okay, so I don't use I have to clean up my filters also. So this filter is give me the filter query is give me within the 14 days. Things that have my video ideas is literally looks like that. So if you click on edit filter, you will get an entire article on how to use filters, and what you know what kinds of things you could do with filters filters are really cool. But that's more of an advanced feature of to do us. So I would say if you're learning to do is right now, forget filters, just work with tasks do dates projects and maybe like I showed you nesting tasks within tasks or using comments to tell you what the next steps are. Okay. All right, let's talk about any other questions. Let's see, I think Lisa had a question about, I have set a project. Okay, I've set a project that correspond with the categories in my calendar. My trouble is when I stare at everything in it and I can't decide what to put into my calendar. First, I get frozen when I need to make the decisions. It's not to do is to problem but maybe some some insights might be helpful. Okay, so what I like about what lesals doing is that lesal is putting her projects into her calendar. Okay, and that's what you're going to see in my calendar to sorry for the for all the clutter in my calendar. I'm just going to try to make things a little bit simpler here. So for example, look at this optimize optimization at 1230pm to 1pm. So what does that mean. Okay, literally this is what I'm going to do today. When I see that when comes 1230pm. Here's what George cow is going to do. He's looks at his calendar. Oh, it says optimization. George cow goes into to do us. He clicks on the optimization project and he sorts by date to see what I've thought is the most important thing and I do have items put for today. So now now me so here's here's maybe what is helpful. Tell me this is helpful. I look at what I said I would do today and I do whatever I feel like doing. I do whatever I feel like doing in the context of what my calendar told me is the project I should be working on. I don't do like oh I feel like surfing Netflix. Oh I feel like going to Facebook and posting this because I'm really inspired right now to do a Facebook live. No, I do the optimization project by God I'm going to do this. That's the strictness of me. But here's a leniency. Oh, within optimization are lots of options. I'll do whatever I want to. What do I feel like doing right now. I don't feel like checking the calm call schedule. I don't feel like integrating the audience survey. Oh, I want to gather stories from hashtag celebration and master heart. That'll be fun. I'll do that. So to helpfully so is that do what's fun, but within the project that you said you would work on your calendar. Okay, I think thanks George. It's very helpful. I think the first thing that came to mind is I haven't categorized all my items into do list. And so therefore I was like, oh, there's this big list in just the inbox. Yes, what to do. So I've got a clue now. Thanks. Yeah, you're welcome. Yeah, it's great. And Ilsa says well now what if you don't do it. What happens with with the item. So if I decide to skip the integrate audience survey afterwards. Notice Oh, another thing I didn't talk about that to do this is so useful for is recurring tasks, things that will keep coming up on a weekly basis or a monthly basis or whatever. So for example this recurring tasks. This is every Thursday remind me about this task, or I could do every other Thursday, right, or I could do every third Thursdays of each month. Every Thursday is all I need to say, or I could do every.  Okay, exclamation mark. Every 10 days, let's say. So what that means. Okay, is that if I complete the item, then postpone it for another 10 days. But if I don't complete the item. Yeah, basically it's like every time I complete the item, it postpones it for every every 10 days. Let me let's probably not a very clear example but just so you know, every versus every.  But what you can do is you can right click, which on the Mac it's control click, you can right click on any item, and you can, you can postpone it. So this arrow, this arrow means to postpone, and it means to postpone it to the next recurring time. You can't postpone something that doesn't have a recurring items like so if I if I if I postpone something that doesn't have a recurring item. I'm just going to go to a random item. If I postpone something that doesn't have a due date I can't postpone it, it'll just tell it, it'll just put it to tomorrow. Okay, so postponing items is really useful things like I don't feel like doing this today so I'm going to postpone it to next Thursday. So there you go. And now it's going to be next Thursday, instead of today. Any other questions before we finish. Are you feeling those of you. And, or anybody else who's like are you watching my screen is probably really complicated unfortunately, but, but are you feeling a little bit better about to do is are you feeling like you could set it up, or you know what the next steps are. I do. I do personally I feel like I need to go back and watch the video again but okay and I had done some of that but I knew there was more depth to it than what I was already doing. Yeah, good good. Yeah, I think Ben had a question earlier but I think I missed it. Ben, do you want to wait until Monday. Okay. Oh, I'm sorry. No, it's not a question is something I want to share but it can wait until our next. Oh, good. Okay, great. Sounds good. Anyone else have anything before we finish the to do a tutorial. Feeling are you feeling like you could, you could work with it. So if you have any questions just email me and I could try to answer it without the benefit of having having the screen. But, you know, really, I think what needs to happen next is for you to actually play with it, and really play with it, you know, put silly tasks in there. And, you know, see, you know, and or put serious ones in there. But, you know, the things to do is put in your tasks, categorize those tasks into projects, and then for the really important ones put a due date that's really the three steps. What I just said, I think is there's a nuance here which is not every task needs a due date. Repeat after me, not every task needs a due date, because then you get overwhelmed. But every task should have a project. Otherwise, what's the point, why are you having an idea that's not related to something important to you. That's really the question. If you have an idea and it's not related to something important to you, you should probably delete the idea. You got it. If it's cannot be put into a project that's important to you, you should not have the idea because you have enough to do in your life. Okay. And every and, and things that are like, not, not like a due date deadline. I make the mistake sometimes and I'm trying to correct myself. I put too many due dates on things. I need to undate things, but still have it in the project so that when it comes time to do the project, and I have nothing on it today. Beautiful. If I have nothing, if it comes optimization and nothing says today, well, then I can really play with optimization. I can really play with that project. Well, I could do anything on this long list. I'll find something that's really fun for me to do or energizing or important. So, okay, in terms of whether I didn't talk about a mobile phone to do is just perfectly synced between your computer and your mobile phone. It's always synced. If, if for whatever reason you don't think it's synced, you can sometimes I do this once or twice a day, I will refresh my to do list browser to make sure that, you know, I'm looking at the most current stuff. But I use to do this all the time on my phone to capture ideas. I capture ideas. I always capture it in the today folder. So yes, ideas always start with a due date so that I don't miss it because because at the end of each day, I will go into my today folder. Okay, so for example, I, let's say I'm on my mobile phone. I'm capturing ideas idea one. Okay, today folder idea to it's all in the today folder so that by the end of my day, I will make sure my today folder is empty. That's really a super important thing. Write down your tasks in today folder. Step two, categorize them into the project. So idea one will be idea one is hashtag is the project. Okay, hashtag moonshot. Okay. Okay, now it's categorized as moonshot idea two is related to video is related to is related to optimization hashtag optimization and click on that press enter. Okay, so step one tasks step to hashtag projects or projects basically hashtag is a shortcut to start a project. And then step three is to clear. What was that what did I say step three was put a due date. If it's if it's needed if it's important otherwise undate it. And, and step four is to clear clear your today folder every single day postpone items, undate items. Okay, to undate an item you just get you just literally click on the date and press delete. So that's empty and then press enter twice. And now I've undated that item but it's still in my moonshot, right it's my moonshot thing. I think that's it I've gone over and so thanks so much for for joining me for this and I look forward to your to do is adventures. Okay. All right everyone. Bye for now.


Chris Just for further context see you actually and so Lou Elizondo came out and was disappointed in the I believe it's the I am SG And and I saw Tim you had you had similar concerns. Do you want to you want to TS up for that? Sure. Yeah Yeah It's kind of funny, you know, I think I guess concerns as much as this we talked about not having expectations, but this is what I kind of expected and You know people are wondering what's going on like why do you got now? You've got this really broad robust Amendment, but then you've got the government, you know the DOD coming out of the blue with this other You know really watered down kind of expectation what they're gonna achieve and people like what the hell's going on Is it the cover-up? Is it the you know, whatever? No, it's it's it's the government The government is happening and you've heard me probably say this both on Twitter I may have said it last time. I was on your show is people are getting a crash course and how the government actually works and It's not pretty and and I hate saying that but and I think to to some degree, you know the UFO community some of the Some of the more well-known researchers or authors at times have done a bit of a disservice because they've given this picture that the government is capable of this coordinated effort in anything And that's not really the case Probably one of the best examples to give you an idea of what's going on here And I talked to this a little bit about with the guys and girl Chrissy last night You know, did anybody read the psychology today article that was published was it yesterday or the day before? Where was where was it published psychology today? Okay? Okay, well there you go UFO Twitter you're dropping them all there was a Exceptional article done in you in psychology today About you AP and what it could mean in terms of new science and everything the author of that article was dr. Eric Hasseltime Dr. Hasseltime is a brilliant man. He once headed up Disney's Imagineering And then he was the chief science and technology officer for the office of director of national intelligence Odeon I He was essentially the chief technology officer for the entire intelligence community So very brilliant guy for a long time and he wrote a great article there But he also wrote a great book a couple years ago and I loved it now. No, you're wrong It's kind of right up in my alley It may get too technical for some people, but it's called the spy in Moscow station And it tells this fantastic story and if you want to understand how the government works It's a great insight into our works in the short of the long there This is a very true real story of events that happened in 1978 the the NSA Discovered a Soviet bug inside the embassy in Moscow. Okay, when I say discovered it, they found it They removed it. They physically had it. It was an RF receiver hidden in a chimney inside the embassy They said that the Soviets are listening to all of your communications They told the CIA this in the State Department and in fact the CIA had had Russian agents killed during this time because of it And the CIA in the State Department said we don't believe you And they had it in front of them like they could have showed it to them.  Like why is there this resistance here into this idea that the Russians are spying on us And the CIA was adamant about it in the State Department's adamant to the point where they got a executive directive telling the NSA Stop mentioning it stop talking about it because you know, we don't want people we don't believe you And this went on for five years until the NSA was eventually by order of President Reagan Allowed to go in remove a lot of the property that was in the embassy found the bugs discovered and said They've been listening to you this whole time so for five years from the point they found it and for five years There was so much resistance to this and so much craziness and even at a point when the NSA had difficulty finding these bugs They actually thought that this maybe the CIA removed them so that they wouldn't find them to cause friction In fact when the NSA technician went to do the inventory of the CIA tried to get him drunk and had Russian prostitutes Because they wanted to know what he was doing there because it was so compartmentalized It was that point of code word option with only the NSA knew now picture that in perspective to UAP Okay picture that in perspective that now you Adversary spying on you is a real thing. They all know that's a real thing it goes on we spy on other countries They spy on us but imagine the resistance to the idea that the Russians are the Soviet Union was spying inside the embassy when you had the proof and evidence So the US government is a sprawling complex and now what you're seeing is that the UAP subject is not going to go away per se And they're kind of acknowledging it so you're gonna see a lot of infighting here as in who controls the topic and you That's one of the things in that hole that caused so much friction between the CIA and NSA is whose job is it You know they all say well NSA is their job isn't security so screw them and it's like yeah, but this is going on And so you're gonna see this now and you're gonna see this now with this idea Okay, well fine if you're gonna make if you're if you're not gonna let this go away and somebody's gonna look at it Well then it's our job, but then you're gonna have other agencies that are like no this is my job Others are gonna say it's my job because at the end of the day nobody wants to be embarrassed and say oh yes this is really something When it when it could when technically it should have been their job and if nothing else I think probably one of the most fascinating things for me Maybe it's not as frustrating because it's fascinating to me to watch this process Is I can't think of a more complex problem To watch a government have to solve and especially one like the US government Because it's everything is so segmented and compartmentalized Where different agencies follow into different branches. They have different jobs But you look at the UAP subject that is something that is government-wide and it is a mysterious problem that frankly the US government is not Equipped to handle and so it's interesting to watch how are they going to handle that because the DoD I think a lot of people when they saw that I'm not going to tempt the acronym. I've forgotten it from memory. I don't want it You know they cried foul, but they were only going to look into military ranges and ranges under military control Well, that's because by federal law the Department of Defense only has limited power They don't have the power to operate on US soil except under very very strict circumstances So they don't have authority so then goes into well some of this authority bleeds into the Coast Guard Some of this bleeds into the FAA some of this bleeds into Homeland Security Some of this bleeds into the FBI All everyone I just named all fall under different executive branches So when the Secretary of Defense can't tell the FBI what to do can't tell the FAA what to do Likewise, none of them can tell but to comprehensively look at that you've got to get all of these agencies That aren't equipped to look at it. They don't work together as is and in many instances they work against each other They're in competition with each other, but they've got to work together to try to solve that Now tackle on the fact that every taboo that you can think of in anything any conversation that you've had about the subject With anybody who's not from the UFO community Maybe they've just seen the New York Times article or something or they've read it excellent and informative people on the debrief And you're trying to explain it to them and they're they're like, oh, that's BS Now imagine the government just multiply that so you're going to have people that are like this is BS The infighting and squabbling and even if let's say the Gillibrand amendment passes Who what office is going to take that authority is something to really look at But I did I said that you know when I said my concerns it was more of a people are about to get a crash course into this UFO problem And then because of how robust how structured that amendment was It wouldn't shock me to see not just the DoD, but you're going to see all these other people be like, oh hell We're starting one too because we're not going to be outdone and everybody's going to try to muscle in this and it's going to end up in this really interesting dynamic Where a year ago people were upset because the government wasn't taking the topic seriously at all Now fast forward we're upset because there's too many people saying they're going to look into it Well here's here's my question on that though and I think the reason at least lately the reason why people got upset is because there seem to have been A message coming primarily from Lou saying this AMSG office is undercutting and undermining the Gillibrand amendment And you also compared it to you said in a tweet that it's administrative terrorism And so people heard that they're like what's going on and then when you dig deep into it when you just simply dig into it you find out that oh wait a second The DoD has no jurisdiction over this this bill so this bill becomes law they really can't do anything and it seems by the statement by Kathleen Hicks at this office that the DoD is creating They're doing it without anyone's permission they're doing it just because they can't I think you're sort of this idea of well they're not going to be the only ones who look at this we're going to look at it too And so I guess my question is why is this administrative terrorism if this office really can't do anything to if this law passes if the Gillibrand amendment goes through which maybe we find out tonight if it could have happened already as we were on the show But if that can you explain a little bit as to why that's sort of the feeling with with this new office because six months ago we would have been all aboard for this we would have been actually filled with an office like this and And it seems like for me more data is more data I don't care where I'm getting it from if we're going to get more data from different sections of the government great maybe we can paint a better picture with that data Or we can get at least a little bit more clarity for the American people as to what exactly we're dealing with here so so yeah I mean can you touch on that a little bit Sure yeah yeah no and it's one of those things where I said it and didn't realize after until I said it People might not be familiar with the term Yeah the term administrative terrorism and anybody that's worked in government even at the local level is very familiar with that term we used it all the time because administrative terrorism is just that it's bureaucratic stuff that slows things down You know you're getting ready to run out the door to go to the mall and somebody says wait wait wait wait we got an inventory all of your clothes and you're like what the This is administrative terrorism and so that term is yeah anybody who's running government has heard that term in fact used it frequently so please don't take anything away from that is that being I guess analogous with terrorism Right right But I mean it does make it sound as if though you know like this is a bad thing this office is not good for the topic and at least that's the way it seemed it seemed like that was And that's why UFO Twitter sort of rallied around like letting their senators know hey this office isn't good enough like we need more we want the Gillibrand amendment to make sure that that passes into the new NDA But it's you know you know what I'm saying I just I think part of there's a part of a little bit of fear here that I want to be used to construct a narrative or message like that was gonna be like a follow-up question in a second was is there is there anything with this amendment or with these new offices that you might see as like As maybe not good for this topic is there anything that we're just not reading correctly or we're not ciphering properly is there anything in the language of the bill that maybe worries you that hey this is actually going to do worse for the topic not better Well I think the biggest concern and I think that's what Lou Elizondo I haven't read everything he said or listen to it but I think that when he was upset about it is because he's been in that system and understands kind of what's going on And the other thing is that it is everyone is correct in saying that the release of that information very much was it had a lot to do with the Gillibrand amendment. You know the timing of it and everything I think everybody could recognize that even though Kathleen Hicks had said we're gonna do this you know I believe the timeline initially was six months and it's been five months and they come out with it. The government does nothing early. Nothing. So you think it was that you think the ODNI this was a direct response to the introduction of the Gillibrand amendment. Sure I think that the phone calls phones started ringing when that went out and hit the airways and everything people were saying hey what are we doing with our stuff what are we doing with our stuff we don't want to get caught with our pants down. What are we doing in addition to the fact that you've got the Office of the Inspector General digging into it too. So there's a lot of CYA going on.  They haven't been doing everything. So the idea that ODNI is going to take over this massive office and have all this jurisdiction and then prove all these things that the DOD hasn't been doing well. Does not sit well with the DOG. So they're like whoa if nothing else we need to know what's going on within our jurisdictional bounds so that we don't look like a bunch of clowns here with no answers if this other agency has answers. Now beyond that Tim do you think there's actual information that they're trying to get a handle on and bury prior to the Gillibrand amendment. Do you think that's a possibility or are we really just talking about hey we're just trying to cover our asses here. It really depends on what the executive offices think. Now I can say that if it was going out of the Undersecretary of Defense for Intelligence Office which is Louis Elizondo's former office. I think you've seen the pushback that he's offered. I think he is a good indication of how he feels they view the topic and how their reports their analysis and going into it. You know going back to something Micah said earlier if you go with this expectation of what you're going to find you often find it. And so the expectation in that office by all accounts from everyone that I've spoken to is that they want to find BS that this is not something that they need to be exerting time effort and money on. And so therefore the idea that that's going to be their outcome it could be very highly likely because that's what they don't. I think the Department of Defense at large has really made it abundantly clear not direct statements because they don't like talking about it. They don't want to talk about this. They don't want to deal with this. Whereas some other agencies do you know OD&I has taken the lead the Navy has taken the lead. So one of the concerns there is when in having these fragmentation so you see that the DOD has their UAP office. Well OD&I is like screw it. We're still going for it and Space Force says hold my beer. I think the Army the Army is my favorite because the Army is like and I come from a big Army family. So I can say it's like everybody I know from the Army who's just like I mean if we're going to strip club you're driving. I'm down you know like they're don't matter to me man. But the problem is there is that each one of those compartments will control their information and then the topic of UAP you won't have the centralized focal point office. Instead you'll have you know a pilot had a sighting and reported it to the Navy office or the OD&I office. And there do we have any satellite data where we've got to go to talk to Geospatial or the NRO or the NSA to try to get the SIGINT or electronic intelligence on it. And then those agencies don't necessarily always hand over what they have quite frankly they often don't. And so it's this idea that who had is there going to be a central office that has the authority power and muscle to really use all of the resources the United States government has behind it. Because whenever we do put all those resources whether it's terrorism or fighting wars they tend to be pretty successful and they have a lot at their disposal. But the problem is these things are not centralized and they're not under one umbrella authority outside of the president. You need the president you know if the president would step forward and say no damn it just same example I gave you the NSA CIA with the Moscow thing. It took the president of the United States to tell the NSA no go do this and I don't care what they say. So I think that's part of the concern is that if you've got a ODI office you've got a DOD office and you've got these other offices is that they will each be examining the topic from whatever is within their purview. And when one doesn't share with the other then it's never you're going to have move on and all these other things you're going to have these competing it's going to turn into UFO Twitter in the government. That sounds terrible. I've got 17 seconds left. So we're going to have to roll over into the top of the office. Yeah I have plenty to say and again Tim really is kind of given us you know the the full scope of the issues that government is facing right now to an extent. You know I've got to kind of sympathize with any element within the government or if we even want to refer broadly to the military having to be tasked with trying to resolve an issue that let's face it they've been looking at for more than half a century and haven't been able to resolve. When we talk about how as Tim mentioned some agencies seem to be more willing to chime in on this and more willing to weigh in on the topic like the Navy has been. Whether that is necessarily by choice or it is by virtue of the fact that other agencies simply won't the Air Force dealt with this in the longest running systematic military study by the U.S. government Project Blue Book between the 1950s early 50s and 1969. And they remain stone silent at every opportunity for decades thereafter with a couple of notable exceptions after the closure of Project Blue Book again at the request of congressmen and women back in the 1990s because there was a lot of public interest in the Roswell crash at New Mexico. And this in part due to books that were being published on it television shows like Unsolved Mysteries that were kind of reinvigorating the debate. A lot of people were like what's really going on here and so the Air Force kind of had to get back into the game there for a time they produced a couple of official documents and did their own investigations which offered not one but several you know different explanations for parts of the Roswell mystery which raised a lot of questions for people one being. Okay well which version is the definitive narrative because they had said that everything from crash test dummies to charred bodies in an airplane crash to project mogul and you know how to two balloons that were used during the Cold War. I mean a range of different things put together over several years constituted what was remembered or misremembered as the Roswell event. The reason that that's important is because people look at that and they go well first of all which is the narrative or how can we take this seriously given that we first heard of course that it was a flying disk then it was a weather balloon. Then they say it was a mogul balloon. We know that they had lied several times so how do we know they're telling the truth now now in my opinion having reviewed Roswell you know again I like a lot of UFO researchers have become less and less enchanted with that case as time goes on because if you really look at it again I refer back to the FBI single page document on that. It was actually from I believe let's see let's refer to the newspapers I keep them right here so I can look at all this right July 8 1947 I believe that on the same date the FBI documents said it appears that a high altitude balloon was recovered. They were reporting that in the FBI's document a day before it appears in the other newspapers and it's actually stated we had a weather balloon in our possession so it seemed the FBI already been tipped off and again the historical documents seemed to pretty clearly show. There probably wasn't as much to Roswell as it once had been thought but again it's an interesting point to look at in terms of history and what it takes to get an agency like the Air Force back into the game. It's no wonder they don't want to have to deal with this right now and people say where's the Air Force been why is the Navy doing this the Air Force never wanted to have to get back into this game. And here again I do sympathize with almost any element within government who is tasked with having to do with the Air Force tried for almost two decades to do and weren't able to achieve. And so the thing about you know bringing this around to the Gillibrand amendment you know I'm not particularly surprised by what has been outlined with the new AI MSG. And yeah we'll just refrain from further jokes about the name but almost everybody Tim Burchett in Congress actually got up and made a statement about this recently and even he said I don't know where they got that name from but everybody's joking about this name you know. My theory would be that it may be intentionally unpronounceable and obviously forgettable with the hope that people won't be able to pronounce it people won't remember it and they won't focus on it and worry about what they're doing because they can't pronounce the name. You know the UFO thing that they've got up there but I wasn't really surprised by what it actually is according to the DoD relief from last Tuesday what was outlined because essentially all those points were in Kathleen Hicks memorandum that coincided with the release of the ODI and I report back on June 25th. You know again she's saying we are very concerned with these incursions on our military airspace we want to try and you know be proactive with looking at these and dealing with these we want to collect information about them. They never said you know we're going to look at everything that happens anywhere in the skies and again to Tim's earlier point they're not able to their jurisdictional issues with their ability to even do that. And so something we have to take into consideration with all of this is that according to what Hicks outlined in her memorandum. If we look at the ODI report delivered by the UAP task force they stayed in the report this is to guide future policy and future efforts on this issue. They seem to have done essentially exactly what they said that they would but the surprise had been that is Tim pointed out also Congress you know again Senator Gillibrand specifically got into this a little bit earlier outlined a much more comprehensive plan one that would be both more costly and likely would have to require on the assets and abilities of many different agencies. Again this would be a much more elaborate plan and I think that the DOD looking at this this is pure speculation on my part but it's very much in line with what my colleague has said here. They're seeing this and they're going whoa whoa whoa hold on let's hit this off at the past because we don't want to have to mess with anything as elaborate is what they're proposing in this amendment. And so they launched this investigative agency and it's interesting now to see how those who have co-sponsored the proposed amendment to the Defense Authorization Act for fiscal year 2022 are responding to this you know Gillibrand has spoken to. But she's been a bit let's say that she's been a bit vague Marco Rubio issued a statement to Air Force magazine he had said look you know I support the government in looking into these aerial incursions in these mystery objects. So I think that the sense at least from what I'm getting among you know members in Congress right now is that this may not be what we wanted if this is what we get you know we'll go with it. But obviously Lou Elizondo and many others and of course UFO Twitter they've expressed their concerns because no this wouldn't be the comprehensive plan that's outlined in the Gillibrand amendment. This is going to be very limited in scope we don't have any assurance that there will be again annual reports delivered to Congress. Semi annual reporting updates and again will the public have any information provided. Now strange and paradoxical though it may sound there's a part of me that hopes that whatever comes of all this we won't be handed all the answers because again at the end of the day we talk about this all the time at the debrief. We got into this because it's a fun topic we do want to know the truth I think we can handle the truth but I doubt the government has all the answers and a part of me still enjoys the quest. I enjoy the process of looking into this and trying to understand what it's all about and hopefully applying science toward it so it's anybody's guess where it'll go from here and we may find out within a few hours. But again I'm not surprised and I certainly hope that there are going to be a few surprises on down the road maybe that civilians will still be privy to. I think you guys make it such an important point and I think this is so critical and Luis and I have been talking about this for for months now is how critical it is that we don't attach our identities to a specific belief system or outcome when it comes to UAP. I think that's one of the things that causes so much harm whether it's psychological or you know sociological harm when it comes to this topic because if you do if the outcome is so important to you. A specific outcome is so important to you when faced with an alternate reality than that you're you're subject to anxiety depression all of these things and I think it's so dangerous really when it comes to especially and Tim you brought this up earlier and I think it was such a such an important point that you know when society is in struggle when when when the world is unknown when outcomes are ambiguous. It's very easy to put your all your hopes and your faith and your energy and passion into one basket. And I think you guys represent this topic in a very with a lot of journalistic integrity you represent it in a way that really focuses on you know let's let's have at this right let's let's pick let's pick away. What is truth and what is fiction in order to get to the truth because no one's preconceived notion no one's self fulfilling prophecy is going to be spot on and it's so critical that we don't allow ourselves to personally as individuals you know go into spirals of anxiety or depression or violence even over topics like this. Sure and I think you know I've had these discussions with people who've worked on the programs can you know in the contemporary programs so the task force that kind of stuff or people who have worked with them in different capacities whose names aren't out there. But one of the big questions I had and Micah brought this up that the first time we ever met and chatted we talked about psychology and because that's really where kind of my bread and butter is incognito psychology and I asked them I said you know how much effort has been gone how much effort has been put into this idea. How certain are we that we could perceive correctly something that is you know inherently alien and I say alien not just as not from this planet I mean something totally anomalous totally abstract. There's no guarantees there and I think that this idea that we could have it right is actually probably pretty wrong because we can only draw on what knowledge and information that we have available to us. You know what we can read in a book what we've been told we can all imagine a dragon because we've seen movies by we've had him describe to us but but something that is just totally you know outside of a total anomalous discovery. What is the expectation that we could perceive that correctly and I don't know there isn't any you know if we don't have the language to describe something you're not going to be able to describe it and so that's an interesting aspect of all of this because we it is such a fleeting topic. I think that would be one of the cornerstone tenets of this topic is it's always just a little bit you know maybe it's a fleeting glance of something or it's a very intense experience but it's not captured on video or audio and all these different things so it's never this full picture of what we define as being true factual or just ground truth reality. And so you know what does that mean about it I don't know other than perhaps there is aspects of this it's very difficult for us because we don't we can't perceive what's going on and so to to your point Mike absolutely you know there there is this idea that if we encounter anything truly anomalous. We're not going to have the knowledge base existing we're all going to be done in Kruger here you know we're going to believe that it's something but there's nothing that says this what it is so yeah if you put all your eggs in in one basket. You're right it can cause a lot of distress both on yourself emotionally psychologically and just in general and so part of that fun of long as there's an unknown it can be anything. And so that's kind of fun you know it is fun to me and so let's enjoy that aspect of it. Because even if aliens flew in there's really we have nothing on our plate here that says we would see them understand them or even comprehend it because it would be alien. Alien. Real quick just I wanted to go back to what Senator Tim Birchett said yesterday on the floor. Just touch on it because he did kind of mock the name of this new office. Yeah after you do that Luis we let these guys go. Absolutely. But then right after that he wrote a letter to Ronald S. Moultrie the Undersecretary of Defense for Intelligence and Security basically thanking him for this new office. And then but also saying you know I'm requesting that the AOIMSG brief members of Congress on their findings in a classified setting, followed by a public hearing, which means we could worst case scenario maybe get some public hearings out of these offices. What do you think that would look like. Could we trust this office to provide the American people with, you know, would we get David Frager and Alex Dietrich in a public setting like that from this office do you think. I highly doubt it. I think when they're talking about public hearings we would see something consistent with what we see all the time with the public hearings, especially the National Security Public hearings where you have an agency, the head of whatever agency comes and briefs Congress publicly. And they're oftentimes not all that informative. You know if anybody anybody else is a nerd like me to watch the 2021 National Threats hearing where they have all the heads the CIA the NSA OD and I is all there, and they all brief what are the big threats. You know, one of the ones that obviously came up was COVID, you know, question what do we know where COVID came from. And it's this. Well, we, you know, it could have been this it could have been that. And so you very likely could see the exact same thing with you. You could see the the director of national intelligence and they're telling Congress yes we what you read in that report in June being said verbally, you know, yes we have this that the only nice thing I guess would be in these instances you do have lawmakers that can ask questions. You know, Marco Rubio can stand up and demand. Is it aliens, you know, and some of these politicians do a really good job of grandstanding. So, you know, I think that's where the the idea that people, I would say the public has definitely had an impact when you see these lawmakers talking about it as much as they have. So yeah, you know, there's who's the co-sponsor from South Carolina. Why am I drawing a blank on it? Lindsey Graham. Lindsey Graham. Yeah. Yeah.  So yeah, who knows. Oh, you'll be up there screaming jumping up and down. That'd be an interesting day. That's for sure. Just politically speaking, I would be so confused. I wouldn't know what to do with myself. I was like, oh, I like, I like what he's saying, but God, I really don't like him. If there's any positive, you know, if it's not disclosure, perhaps the best positive outcome that can come from all of this news is people are actually paying attention to how the government operates and lawmakers operate and everything.  Like how we, how do we get anything achieved? Like we've never, we haven't faced another attack because nobody's wanted to evidently because how does anything get achieved? So if nothing else, hopefully maybe people pay attention to that and go, man, some things need to be changed here. Yeah. And if congressional hearings occur, let's just hope that it's not Congress asking Robert Mueller questions. Can you repeat the question? Right. I'll refer to the report, the language in the report. And I think that was sort of like a secondary goal. So the, of the phone home was just, Hey, teaching people how to interact with their government is a good thing. You know, how to find the representatives and you can take this formula and apply it to whatever activism you want. And it works the same way. Yes, that's just fun. Absolutely. No, I think that's great. I think that's, that's always been a big thing in mind. That's how government's supposed to work. It doesn't matter if we want the government to go look for unicorns. If enough people in a democracy want them to look for unicorns, well, that's what they need to do then because that's the way it's supposed to work. So yeah, I definitely commend you guys for that. We appreciate you guys. Yeah, we appreciate you guys so much. And congratulations again on the one year anniversary of the debrief. If you are not following these guys, make sure you go to the debrief.org to check out the news magazine. And maybe you guys could tell us quickly where we could find you. Tim, if people want to find you on social media, if they want to find the debrief, what's the best way to do that? At LT Tim McMillan on Twitter. You can find me there. I go on my little Twitter spats where I'll be on there and you can call some people, argue with people. I disappear for a couple of weeks. You are kind of like the Houdini at Twitter.  Tim's in a Twitter mood because I'll get on there and just rile up with Mike Turber or somebody like that. Got flew on a tic-tac. You got to talk to that guy, right? No, you have to. You have to. You have to. Thank you. You just gave him permission. You've completely disrupted the debrief's inner operations now, Luis. Well done. Yeah, it wouldn't be the first time. I swear to God, every time it is an accident, it is not on purpose. Tim, thank you so much for joining us today. Again, guys, go check out the debrief and we'll talk to you again soon. Tim, thank you so much. Thank you so much, guys. Ladies and gentlemen, the Micahanks, if folks want to find you on social media, if they want to find the Micahanks program or the debrief, how do they do that? Yeah, well, if you want to find the debrief is the debrief.org debrief media on Twitter and it's usually debrief media on the various social media platforms. Definitely check it out. Again, keep in mind we report on a whole lot more than just UAP, but even a lot of people who come there for that news have, you know, expressed to Tim and to me and to Chris and to many of the other staff. And I just want to share that, you know, you guys beautifully tie a lot of this stuff together, you know, whether it's defense developments like, you know, the hypersonic glide vehicle that was apparently tested by Russia and it's missile deployment capabilities, Pentagon looking at that and saying, wow, how did they get to that point? And then like what days later they established this new UAP investigative unit. Again, we're saying that there may be a lot of things that may be catalysts for what we're seeing happening with regard to the UAP topic. And again, we do sometimes look at tangent areas. You're going to find a lot of that at the debrief. If you want to learn about me, just go to Micahanks.com and you can find all the podcasts that I produce. I've got four different podcasts that I'm doing right now, but the Micahanks program is the flagship. It goes out every week. Chris is going to be on there with me this week along with Tim. We're going to do a bit of a debrief roundtable year end. Where do we come from?  So it's going to be a lot of fun. Definitely check that out. And you can follow me on Twitter at Micahanks. I've made it really easy. Everything's just my name. So you have four podcasts now? Oh, yeah. I mean, I've had four podcasts for a while. You can find all those at Micahanks.com, by the way. But yeah, I mean, there's the main show. I do a weekly current events and news podcast called Middle Theory. In fact, tonight I'm going to be taping an episode. Hence why I got around here in a moment, but an episode of the Seven Ages Audio Journal, which is the archaeology show I do. And because of my passion for anthropology, I also have a show called Sasquatch Tracks, where we talk with actual scientists, field researchers, anthropologists, investigators, biologists about the possibility that a relic hominoid like Sasquatch could actually exist. So yeah, I stay pretty busy. And you know, there's been some discussion about a possible debrief podcast in the year to follow. So, you know, I'm not going to get any less busy. I'm a Chris Plain. Amazing. Well, thank you so much, Micah. It's always a pleasure getting to spend time with you.  So we appreciate it. That's right. Yeah, I didn't actually wear this just so I could look nice with you guys wearing your ties. This is what I wear all the time. Yeah, that's your that's actually your pajamas. Yeah. You'll have a great one. And Chris Plain. I'm going to leave you to these gentlemen. You guys go easy on him, please. We'll try.


Hi, my name is Thomas Ressler and in this part I'd like to introduce to you how to measure practically the motor parameters. The first measurement we need to make about the motor is to record the resistance of the windings. For that I will use a standard multimeter with the ohm range but because this motor has a very low impedance I'll need to zero our measurement. So first let's take the probes and short circuit them using the relative function of the multimeter which now is used as a reference for the measurement of the resistance of the windings. Well, I will connect the windings, wait for the stabilization and we can read the impedance or resistance of one of the windings of the motor. If we want to check that the value is correct between all three phases we can as well try the measurement on other, wait for the stabilization and this way the measurement is finished. Right now we will measure the number of pole pairs. For that we will require a power supply with a presentable current limitation. So let's use this one and let's choose the current limit at one amp. We can afford up to a nominal current of the motor but beware that we will work in a DC mode so the motor can start heating very quickly. Now let's connect the supply between two phases of the motor and let's turn the output on. Now the motor will emit the DC electromagnetic field in its stator where the rotor will try to snap to it. So it's very important to choose a proper current so that I can feel only the torque between the positions while if I reach the positions where the rotor is fixed and aligned to the stator field it doesn't move and it has the lowest torque available. So let's count how many stable positions we can reach around one mechanical rotation. So now I can feel one and when I move it 180 degrees apart is another position. I'll try to verify and again I can return back to the initial position which means we have only two stable positions around one mechanical rotation. This gives us a total of two pole pairs for this motor. Our next measurement will be an inductance of the windings. So let's choose two of them and let's use a RLC meter like this one to measure the inductance. True, let's connect it here and we can read that the inductance between the two terminals is 5.2 micro Henry. However, this is not an end of this measurement because depending on the motor type we can identify two types one with inset permanent magnets and typically with the trapezoidal shape of the electromagnetic force or we can find the one with a sinusoidal shape where we will see only one inductance over the whole range. So to be able to distinguish between these two types of motors we have to measure the inductance on different angles of the rotor. This is why I will slowly turn it and always wait for the stabilization and I can read that the maximum value of the inductance is 6.4 micro Henry and the minimum inductance is 4.6. This will again a record in our spreadsheet and use for the further setup of the FOC library. The next part of the measurement of the motor will be the electrical constant. To measure it we need to record the voltage and the frequency of the output, the inducted voltage from a spinning motor. To help ourselves I took the aqua drill and connected it on the shaft of the motor. So you can see the motor mounted here, the aqua drill and the connection of the two phases straight to the probe connected to our digital oscilloscope. So let me spin it and record the measurement. Ok now I have stopped my measurement and we can look on the screen and measure the shape. What is important for us it is to record the frequency of the measurement and the amplitude expressed in volts peak to peak. Because there is a lot of noise inducted we will use cursor of the oscilloscope to measure the voltage. So let me choose one of the shapes, the one in the middle and read the peak to peak voltage which is in this case 438 millivolts. At the same time we can read the frequency of the measurement which is 24.55 hertz. Now we will record it and use it later in the spreadsheet. Well after the measurements let's fill the measured values into the spreadsheet I have prepared to make the preparation of the data for the motor control workbench a little bit easier. Let's begin with a number of pole pairs, if you remember well we measured two. Now let's come back to the resistance and this one we have read as 0.01 ohm. Be careful here we have measured resistance between the two terminals of the motor which takes two windings or two coils in a series. Now let's choose the biggest of the inductances which we measured as 6.4 microhenry. The lowest one was 4.7 microhenry. And finally let's come back to the record of our oscilloscope with a measured frequency of 24.55 hertz and 0.4383 millivolts. With these data we are almost ready to fill in the spreadsheet. However there are some parameters that we are not able to measure physically so we have to refer to the datasheet of the selected motor or use our experience. The blue motor I have chosen, the maximum rated speed is 20000 rpm, the nominal current is 8 amps, the magnetizing current is typically the same like nominal but can be a little bit different and the nominal voltage for this motor is 32 volts. Finally we have all the data and you can notice that the spreadsheet chose the permanent magnet synchronous motor with inset magnets. It calculated the one winding resistance as 5 milli ohms, chose two pole pairs, the rated speed we have read in the datasheet, nominal current and DC voltage as well. It calculated the LQ and LD plus their ratio, the magnetizing current and finally it calculated the electrical constant Ke. With these values we can now come to the motor control workbench and fill in the motor parameters.


Yeah, what are you representing? It's a high school. High school, back home, hometown repping. What do you remember about Julie and where you were raised and maybe why it's so important to you that you're repping here today? Just for hometown, where I grew up, all my family's there, friends, just home. Do you have the same list of ticket requests that get them every year? Do you have some new ones that pop on the list from time to time? There's always a lot. There's always a lot. So I try to get out the way as quick as I can. So I ain't got to worry about it later during the week. Has it grown over the last two, three years, that ticket list? It varies. Nobody the pandemic is. It's kind of hard. But it's a lot of requests, so I try to get out the way. There's so many times now, but is there something special about going back there to play for you or is it just another game at this point? It's always fun and special when all my family can come watch me, having that home presence again, being back home, and just really just have my family there. And having them watch me play is always nice. Who got to that? Somebody custom make that one four year?  I was like, actually, it's a good time to wear it. I just worked today. What's Jacksonville do well? What kind of jumps out on tape with their defense? I think they play hard really against the run. I think they played a really good game against Cincinnati, especially in that first half, just stopping the run, being very physical, getting to the ball. I got a lot of new guys that play very well in that system. So I think just take pride on stopping the run and doing things well to make sure no explosive plays happen at all in the run game. Is there anything you're doing different this year just as far as the recovery process with the workload or something? You laugh off, but is there anything that you're doing different just to be able to recover from that workload? No, I'm really just doing the same things and keeping my body ready. I really changed up too much. And just continue doing the same things. You guys be quiet, please. Thank you. How did your routine go? Is there a lot of hot tub, cold tub, that type of thing? Cold tub, hot tub, massage, ART, dry needling, the whole night. Anything I can do to get my body ready, I'm going to try it. Where do you get the ideas to do? Like cold tub, that's general, everybody does that. Some of the other things you mentioned are kind of unique. Yeah, really, there's asking guys, meeting people. And then my younger days, asking the vets of guys to play at high level, what they did to keep everybody ready and just soaking that all up and kind of putting it into what I do as far as my recovery process.  Yeah, I got a couple of crap I won't mention, but I did, so. What's the thing on your body that you feel like you're most kind of recovering? It maybe takes a couple of days, because there's so much that goes into that. But is it the legs? Is it the clothes? I just make sure I feel good enough to be able to pick my daughter up in the morning when she gets up. So that's my main thing. But yeah, I mean, you're sore all over, especially in opposition, because you take so many hits. But like I said, just about the recovery process, getting your body back under uses. You can come out here and do it again. And sometimes this season, Derek, do you think that you've run even more physical than you have in the past in terms of maybe hitting guys, lowering the shoulder, lowering the pads, that kind of thing? Seems like maybe there's been a little bit more. I didn't know if that was the case. You know, just I think we need to try to finish runs. I know you kind of switch it up a little bit. Everybody expecting to stiff arm.  But trying to switch it up as much as I can. Everybody's ready to break the stiff arm down. Hard for a guy, your height to lower the pad sometimes. And when DBs are going low for you? It can get a little skinny in there, especially when they're knifing in. I can only bend so much between the line. But try to use as low as I can to move the power forward. You guys feeling a sense of urgency coming off the loss, going on the road playing the divisional opponent this week? I think it's just focus on the things we need to focus on, continue to get better as the week goes on, carrying into Jacksonville on Sundays, the vision game, which is always a big game for us. And just playing that style of football and going in there and trying to win the game. You guys lose a game, sort of off John's question. Is there an attitude of, hey, let's have a sense of urgency, we lost, or is that not even spoken, because you feel like you have to have that every week? Yeah, because of course, because you want to be better. So you kind of have to have that sense of urgency of wanting to be better, wanting more on all three phases. And if you don't, then what are you in this business for? So a lot of guys take that challenge of having a sense of urgency, wanting to get in the drives, wanting to finish, wanting to be better, and all the things that we need to be better at. And that just has been the main focus point. Is that a week by week thing, like every week, or is that something that gets bigger after a loss? Oh, week by week. You never want to stay the same. Even if you do good or bad, you always focus on, what can I improve on? What can I do that I didn't do the last week? What can I be better at, even if it's good or even if it's bad? Just focus on improving. In every aspect of your game, as a team, as collectively, and I think a lot of guys do that every day. How much does it help you in the running game, in general, Derrick, when the passing game is working well, when you're getting some downfield shots and kind of keeping things balanced again? Yeah, it's always fun when everything's clicking, and we got the offense going, and we're getting in the drives, finishing drives with points. It was always fun, and I think everybody can see if we all can feel it. I see McNichols kind of get things going, and in the last game it helps out a lot, especially in that receiving game which you guys both have racked up some numbers there. Yeah, he was balling. He took advantage of his opportunities, and wait to see what he does this game, too.


Okay, so let's try this one. It's just like the essentially like the last one Can anybody help me with any of these reactions? The middle one, right? So what does the middle one do? Yeah, so it takes the triple bond and takes reduces it all the way to the alkane, right? So how many carbons do we have in this molecule here? Four. So what are we gonna make here? What's the name of that molecule? Butane, right? So like that. Any questions about that one? Okay, so What kind of alkyne do we have here? Terminal, okay, so that kind of Makes these ones a little weird, right? Because when we have an internal, what would the top one do? Make it sis. And if we have an internal, what would the bottom one be? Grants, okay, so now that we have a terminal Sis and trans, does that, what is that? Does that make sense? No, right? So in other words All of these reactions are gonna do what? Make the same molecule, okay. What is that molecule? Where's a double bond gonna be? Oh, I gave it away Where's it gonna be? At the end, right? It's gonna be a terminal double bond, right? So you have one butane there, right? This would be making it sis if it was internal, right? And one butane there would be making it trans if it was internal. Any questions on that one? Can I kill it? Yeah, okay