which is related to the development of guidelines is important as stated also in the web side of the project to facilitate the implementation of the principles and methods developed in the other world. So it should be an attractive part to be used by comedies, for example the HIV, comedian, structural monitoring, the viewpoints, ISO, and so on. So it should be a pre-normally documents. They will be discussed with the Joint Committee on Structure Safety in the future as it was stated this morning. So we have working group 5 and I will present here briefly according to the contents which are again given. So the contents first we have an introduction. So we will plan or we are planning to issue two documents before the finalization of the project. One document is the methods and background document to be used within the General Committee on Structure Safety. So it will be part of the so called probabilistic model. The probabilistic model is a code which is giving guidelines on what kind of methods or models should be used to cover uncertainties in structural design and verification of existing structures. So it's not working as a pure code based on fixed parameters but uses a probabilistic as a philosophy to verify a structure and to see if certain targets on a liability are met according to the consequences of failure and the cost of investing in safety. This is the first document and this is prepared by Sebastian as far as I understand with some help from others. We are living behind this document but we have time until maybe to make, let's say to make it. The second document is the one mainly my colleague and myself are working in the workshops all of the project and myself. And this is aiming to give guidelines, summarize things and give guidelines for practicing engineers. Practicing engineers are engineers who have studied engineering and they are working practice. Difficulties are young engineers who have studied 5-6 years and they are working at the consulting companies or construction companies and they should somehow understand something. If I am preparing such a document I am thinking of my students who have finished and I am responsible of meeting all the students and I am also thinking how can we make a practice that people are able to understand. This is very important. So we have two documents. The second one is a draft is existing. We have discussed it in Amsterdam for this. We have discussed it in December, last April. We have been receiving comments and we haven't demanded it. And one should be, of course, think that these documents are the normative documents so they should help other standardization partners. For example, as I said before, FIW will present a new model, project teams in the European countries, IZOMOM, etc. So the ends, the ends is to implement results of the other model such as methodologies, tools and strategies. And the second important thing for me is to, let's say, structure the results of the case studies. Because there are different case studies. If you go ahead from going through all the case studies, you start again and again and you have to structure them. You have to structure them from the theoretical point of view, but also from the structural point of view. Is it a building? Is it a bridge? Is it a heritage structure? For example, is it also existing? And what is the problem? And also from the methodologies of structure. Am I used to be posterior by IZOM analysis or not? Because it's not always you. Estimation of costs. Also, we have developed a document and then we have developed also a case study on monitoring of snow load on the roof of a stadium. We selected the purpose of this case study because it's easy to be, at least according to the needs, easy to be understood by engineers. You can say something about what I mean. You can say something about the consequences of weight loss on the roof. And you can say something about the risks of using the structure. And you can either eliminate the snow or you can close the study. So this case study, which is typical for this, let's say, development of the guidelines. We have accepted already the guidelines in the application. We have submitted the paper for the ICAS conference in Seoul. And we have included in a special issue of the structure in the region, which was issued last August. So our dissemination activities. Achievements. The first one, we consider structure and monitoring in a very broad term. We consider not only the classical monitoring, but also spot monitoring like, let's say, proof loading or taking measurements. Many measurements are all of the structure, destructive and non-destructive tests. We have worked on combinations of destructive and non-destructive tests of the muscle group. We present again the description in a practical terms of the design process. What are the parameters which are important in the design process? What are the procedures? We define value performance indicators. So performance indicator can be, for example, a limit value for a snow load, but can be also the liability of the roof, but can be also the risk of using the structure. What is an example of the risk? So we can go up to one bike with a more refined, let's say, recently formed parameter. There are now decision-making here. And also the verification of the file of information without any monitoring. One can do it in advance with people still in the Indian analysis. You can evaluate this and see if it is worth of using the monitoring system. We are integrating this into state of practice. Also by using the example in Manics. It is a typical risk factor, and we have experienced in riding, let's say, working two communities, many people in the room. So it is compacted with a way of riding in other communities, and we've got also support recordings and so on. This combination, it's in the website. We have the two graphs of the guidelines. The one of the radical background. The other one for practice in the Indians. We have publications, as I mentioned before. We have presented them in meetings, for example, in the after meetings we had, and also in the FID meetings, the last one in the unions. We have presented and discussed that in your very well-organized innovation days, in this moment. And we had some reactions, especially from your friend Carlos, who wrote again an email. And he was very much going into the practical implementation, because he wants to see where to place the money. And social media, we have linked it as a search team, and also what is important, sending us some universities. For example, I mentioned this project that I presented in one of those slides. I was in lectures in Armenia and Georgia last week. So we always think to include, at least, when we do presentations in our universities, and also it's important to educate young people. They are all very well-organized, the young students. And if they have also the theory behind, this special health monitoring, it's easier for them to implement in the future tools and guidelines. So implementation of social media, for example, must be also some structural health monitoring and use of additional information and so on. The concept will finalize this. We have to finalize, so one has to be very, very fast because we finish in the beginning of next year, where they'll be behind with the first document. But I think we have now to finish, we don't have time to do more experiments. Now we have to finish and have it at the level which is acceptable. So we have still some time, however, for discussion with our working members. We might be in additional meeting before the final conference. But we are presenting a concept that we are discussing in practical interviews and in cases where, for example, I am involved in discussing with colleagues and so on. So I always, as a practical engineer, I myself, as a practical engineer, design the buildings and also redefine existing buildings. So I have one eye and the other eye as a scientist in research results. And what is important is to have, as I said always, in terms of evaluation here, but also the people working in external evaluation projects. So one has to be both aspects of internal and external. Because there's an tendency in internal to say things are very well, but we need also an iPhone outside. Now we have lessons there, but we were part of this doing that. Of course, we had some problems to coordinate and there are so different options. We finalized two documents, comprehensive one, summarizing activities and being also in a code format. The problem, myself, is that if you do this analysis, you always have uncertain parameters, which are related to the cost of failure.  If this was the way, it would come up with different results. It's not stress analysis. So one should be very careful doing these things. Sometimes it's necessary to do some writing or categorize consequences in consequence classes, as the course is doing. One needs simplifications, which should be applicable for practical engineers, proportionality. If you have a very big important reach, like it was mentioned in the page in general, which I was saying many times while I was living there between 87 and 92, one, if he has a very important structure, he has to do more things compared to a smaller one, not so important one. Then the interaction with the industry is very important and I realize that in this example, because this is important, how can I convince him? Because if he convinces a professional among them, this is very easy. One says one method, the other one is very nice. But if you go to the company, they have to invest money and that's it. It's a different thing if you sign that one thing or one thing is funny and a different thing if you put your signature on the paper. You know that also. If you see a paper that has the original signature, and I sign it and I send it, they like the accent. If it is a conference because I play their keys. If you design a bit, if you do an application for testing, you have to be perfect, but they don't have to stay sweet. Uses real life. Practicing engineer is practicing engineer. This is the word. So we have the methods here. We like to combine, of course, the methods of decision-making, so on, to deal with uncertainty. It's very important. I agree with that. We need guidance about that. So this is, for me, the important lesson and the combination of these two things. This is not my new method also. So preparation of two background documents with terminology and compatible flow charts is the outcome. The criteria for the development and interaction with other working groups. Now we will deal with case studies. So we have to listen to all case studies and see what is important from this, from this. If we include this, how can we put it inside? This doesn't present a valid application. Costs of benefit of the structure is only for quantification. Reformation is a very important aspect. And the presentation of practical engineers and feedback as we are in this room and us also in the future as far as understanding content. So outreach is something which is not easy to understand, but means outreach. Outreach, everybody has a different opinion. So outreach, for me, is to use the results in consultancy services. You go to a visa and you help them to do a monitoring program based on the decision making. You use this result of the project to be a co-covidable. We are a number of co-covidable FIDs. We are a number of bureaucrats, project leaders. We try to think behind what can we do? How can I use this information? How can I leave space a year ago to use additional information to invest money and to have, let's say, another type of verification of the structure? And the most important is to educate young people. So young people are educated, master teachers, structural health monitoring, validation of additional information, uncertainty in the world and so on. This is a good strategy for the future. These young people will grow out and we will probably retain the situation at least some of them have life. So this is, this is, let's say, the presentation behind the final part of the project. I think it was very general what I presented in this album. The guidelines were presented in this album. So this is the final stage that's here. We would like to present the first question which I don't know about the question yet. So firstly, questions with respect to the information but one, because the bias of this presentation is talked about in some ways and some ways that they are trying to prepare and I think that in some ways in some ways this is directly related to what we are trying to prepare and so forth. We have not collaborated with others but I have studied the results of working with them and we have included how uncertain this, that uncertain this has to be. Then we've reached the ASMR. I think this is a good comment. We should defer the battle with a repair specific document based on the experience of one kind of uncertainty for example the model of specific measurement of certain reasons or I would also include we have included the cost estimation of cost concerns because this is also important and I think we should have cross-reference and at certain points I would like to add to take the comment and write the mileage and include I think this is an important thing that we send in both our drafts that we get these drafts and we include and this is a good idea it is one additional step that I have made to help you to take this. We have the decision of the costs I think also that on my experience also, this is possible it's important to be on the costs could be on some I don't know some of you have said this is an important issue of the global information as far as I know it's a critical problem I believe that it's an item that's not safe to include in the problem some some possible information and that describes it's a critical thing it's a critical problem but there are some people people who go to the high market or they go to the schools of global information who say there is a concern to be which is important in the costs we have the case studies most of the case studies also in your case costs are important in the case studies the sensitivity of costs in the case studies the sensitivity of costs in the case studies the cost is important and also the uncertainty of the cost should be there with and an additional one could see if there is additional sources to provide because this problem was excavated for example we had this nice structure of the museum where they were doing the work and they were very afraid that anything which we remember in Germany the Spanish guy this was an interesting problem they were doing the dynamic let's say construction works close to the museum and they were afraid that there is no good museum so the thresholds and so on would be too much so we asked how much is what is acceptable level of information what will cause too much and how much is too much so all those it shows that this problem has its own we tried to provide at least some some type of cost and cost would be some sources possible this is also important the other level of information we are going to talk about we see life and cost we see life operation cost maintenance cost we are going to talk about this what is that what is that what is cost what is production cost what is this how can we how can we help you how can we help you to reverse those the project the best way to help us reach everybody is important so i am talking with you I think as we started, the problem is we started with other persons who had some schedule and it was not respected by some people who were open-minded, probably was not trying to recommend who would like to, I sent a present letter, I want to collect small things to send, of course, to you, the group of five, not come to fifty people, but the group of five to ten people, to get some specific comments, because if you like, in time you will like, I will not do it, because sometimes you may see, sometimes I will include it, but these comments were very specific, which we have to predict, so I would like to send to a group of people who are involved to get within a deadline some comments more specific, and we should imagine that we cannot go on that, we cannot do that. And then we will see the necessity, maybe of a small meeting with these people who were recommended, or who are interested to participate and analyze, it can be respected, it can be a physical meeting, I think this could be a help for us. We can comment up to now from some people, if you have been recommended with the experience in writing, so if you are only personally some aspects, it changes and so on and so forth. So this is the first, this is the office, but we have to finish by the final part, so I don't want to do experiments now, and that's the experience we have to deliver. We are the list of people who are interested in the understanding of the action, and maybe now there are other people that are interested, so it would be useful to send a call for continuous, and last people, who else would be interested to work on this kind of, for example, we would get more people. Of course, in such a case, we will say yes, if you see the general meeting, or if you see the names that are going on, and try to leave it out only, so personally I know, I mean, you can say here, I've sent through some of your courses, or if you, everybody will say yes, and then I don't want to comment from other people, I want from the maximum. I cannot speak, please, just to the next thing, who is here? I understand you, but I don't know. I didn't first think that we don't want to be good people, we don't want to be good. Okay, we send a call to all participants, this hundred of us. You have a question? One hundred, one hundred. Maybe we can think of the direction of any question, I understand that it's not a national issue, like maybe we already have the summits, but they're all, and maybe we make this two votes, we ask for conditions, or we ask for spreading rights of summits in our islands. But I don't know, yeah, I'm going to be ahead. Yeah, I'm going to be ahead, but it's a little bit more in the hope, that it's a little bit bigger, but it's still in the way. Okay, I will send a view and a comment, for example, because I promised, I promised. But I didn't actually vote this way because you didn't comment. Yeah, I didn't comment, but I would have a straight vote, and we started with the voting after that, but of course I'm very open right now, so I just want to say that you are to us, because we have the right... I make a move. I will... Is anybody here who would like to comment? Yes. We start, we have already voted, if I agree with Delta, we have to potentially do a good job. That's a point to hear. We also have, somehow, from all the votes, we are going to vote for... Thank you very much. Basically, what Sebastian said, is that this was discussed in the workshop, mainly the vote to... How do I present it? You vote here, please. In the workshop? In the workshop? In the workshop? Yes. So basically, it was to... To have a very short talking, the reason in a very... It's a bit of a banner, but it's the coldest in the world, because if you don't mind, it's a... a part of my voice, and maybe that might have struck in most of the... relevant outputs of this, and working on this for years. And we will, very little step-by-step approach to a more universal point, we will be back in our few decision, and we will be involved very well in this dynamic of general decision, and we will be able to... So basically, it's a bit... of a banner talking, and we will take it a bit of this kind of, at least, status, with the proper reference, but we should be in tune in terms of all the way to... what is the volume of the guidelines, and this type of coordination. In general, basically, I would say that with technical coordination, we will be able to note with a marginal output of this diagram that we also will be able to... Perhaps, your... the guidelines is going to be for a broader audience, and we will be able to... Also, non-proliferation... Yeah, in general, it's researchers, they're first stakeholders, whereas this type of coordination is specifically for these people about the need to decide what we do now. Should we do something? Yes, I understood that you, who are more or less willing to do anything, so I would hold on to the following. I will send you this one, which is a little bit more, and you can make and send it back to the proposal, and I can... But you also need three, four pages, as I said, because we know these people, they don't need more than four pages. No, but we thought you should be extra. Right, okay. So in order to have that, I will send you this, we leave them to Monday, you will get it, and also... Okay. And... and... I'd like to advise you... Could we start with the guidelines? Because maybe it would be a way to work an immediate example of what you are writing, maybe. That's true. But the... I think the based on this, what is the latest... I have seen the based on this, in the web application. They are not... all of them. There is a new one, which I was waiting to see, but it's the final state. But I think it's a good point, one should have, I say, to have some references to how to do a case study. So if you measure, for example, we have a... so we have a case study, where we just take a study of a non-study, which is something different. Then we have a case study with a group of structures like Sebastian's group, and there is a... So I think we could... I think that's a good point. Many reasons, for example. Some of the case studies, because to your analysis, so it's interesting to include that. As soon as we have a final state of the case study, so do you have a... maybe you can say more about that. Please, just as I thought, we already have a different case studies to check. What is the final facts of the case study? The final facts, do you have a final list of facts? Yes, yes, yes. So, each of these, for example, if it's a... if it's a good example, if there's also some... no, it's not a bad thing to do. You can't really see, you know, if it's other people or... You can't really see if this you sent to me, or even there, in the lab, together, in the newsroom. We have also a step of... some kind of failure, but this is also the right time to do that. So, I think now, out of the discussion, the best way to send out I have to do three small questions by money to some people with this question. And in the meantime, I can try to make these references to the case study based on when it's on the web page, if I'm not wrong. Maybe strangers in the department, maybe they are, like, completely... I'm not even sure how they... Can I help you remember in freshman? Who? Ah, okay. Okay. Okay. I think it's a good idea. Yes. This is for slides for each case study. Very good. Yes. I would like to... If we mentioned the website, a few times, we don't really have something for the case study on the website. Most of the information on the website is good. Most of the information is not good. I don't see anything on the website, nothing about this. You are visible. Yeah, you are. And there was somebody who was taking the whole time. Yes. There is not yet... Yes. Yes. And he just wrote that you made it in that time. Do you have anything to say about the sources and the studies you received in the past or not in the past? Let's come into the website. I think it was 5. 6. Maybe it needs to use a brokerage where it's almost ready to be used. And the website is quite realistic in some ways of the area as well. Presentation on the list of good information good information. What my presentation in the list of all that and everything. I'm sure we have other presentations. So I'm sure it's already in the end but I'm referring to to put it on the our team but the page is the person for the brokerage or for the other brokerage. I'm sure the team is already in the end but the area because I'm sure you're curious in the next months I think then for which of the brokerages do you want to find out this is also the idea of why we do why I asked for the fix sheets. So one second please for the fix sheets you don't have to discuss about the manner of the fix sheet. Which which are presented today more fix sheets for for this one should be the end of the Russian border. So we are I would like to come back to the point of study of organizations you've been doing this before but there's many more than Jesus is and we are connected it's IZO it's the offerings energy community by John John it's the active environment observing the broker but I think it's of some interest to these organizations and yeah this is for me as many organizations as there's no they want to be an ordinary community how do we how do we have these you have to go one step further as I said the outreach can be let's say in meetings with the gymnast to convince them to use exactly they are actually practicing gymnast the presentation in committees from IZO traditional as we as I said the presentation we're IZO and I think it's how do we have this how do we have so that it's we we need to the the request of we we we need to get the touch and we also can think of in which areas we may start with established initiatives which are again we need to be requested from this how can we sort out this process then in thoughts thought of this is to use the project projects to use the project projects we have initiated a call and so many any touch with someone who has heard the request to show them what we can do for them Mr. Bachman this is a question how do we approach the authorities that approach who is effectively the economy and we need to work out some powers regulation regulation so in terms of trying the duties of the public information now as an option in the goals on pushing so the owners is here because because of course we can sexualize owners so this is better even this budget and this so they need to see that but that should but the most efficient way is not something that you do in a shop it's a long run it's by putting this into code somehow that there is a section that it has to of course it is big but we have more and more in this project on the examples of all these I have all these knowledge that continues to be acquired should be put into code I did your code same section if they as a way you are a technique which is public information that allows you to do some things each time it's up to case by case decision if the owners people are responsible I'm sure many of you we have one thing is variations distribution and we have a model code 2020 the new codes which are under development in a model code 2020 we have already impact and it is possible to include let's say sentences part in the new codes it's a different philosophy but I am in a group which is dealing with existing structures that is exactly what it was so that's how the world is also discussed how it was important to get out of existing structures so I agree with the document which should be to have some insight we have the three standardization documents which we develop here and then the second one starting services this is on an individual basis you can start mentioning this background this documents if you need to please out if somebody calls and needs a client and offers a piece of this not only for itself or for its own and then in general yes we mentioned one has to demonstrate that you say money this is very very very important now also discussing other outreach activities because or just standardization now starting out okay because of course putting all these into quotes around has a perspective but maybe we can do something with a short time impact because when the case start it will be ready some of them at least and when the guide will be ready which will be by the end of the option we can think to go and promote this engineering role in each town a day where we present this this framework our framework but not of course in terms of people still which is too difficult but to our history we present our history then the machine works like that you name it here are the guidelines and this has a very short term of engineering you can do it in May 2019 without waiting that the books are made of course I can't say too much I'm just saying about the issue also no I'm not saying it's nothing at least you I'm just saying that this is a long term perspective but we can also a short time perspective I would just but one has to see how it will be already we are in the actual conference there are many people from the industry from the authorities so next years work here was good to present in popular unfortunately I cannot come but work here was good for example I would like to say in the example that FID has FID needed in existing structures this was mainly by Raphael Robert and they had a bullet in 80 they are doing in Torino 56 of of February for the thousands of years the debt exactly the debt for free the bulletin and the debt they have the bills and they get the conference so this can be something that's fine you know what I mean so you can arrange the FID and the debt and then you have the FID now can you arrange with some contribution at least something like that that is your emotion should we do the tweets we we actually have the designation event tool basically what you are telling now we have the tool and we have project proposal so we need someone to mobilize we as group and some of us should basically we have a budget for June next year the organization no that's a problem and we have to for example myself I cannot but just to be honest with the time limitation so this activity which was proposed by you made it have to be organized before yes I want to present a work with five session I can take up the guideline on the qualification of structural health information so we have here a another page it starts on progress so now we have a new progress I would like to tell you of the new progress I have been studying this is one more it is guideline for scientists that basically we have proposed the focus of the practice we have basically we have broken quite substantially all of your this now is the guideline for scientists it is structures basically with the core parts how do we find a regular structural health information part two part three how do we visualize structural health information and how do we assess the brain structural health information as part four by example we have the hearing and the learning of today those domains of structural health monitoring to determine this structural health information we have more broad just to focus on monitoring so this is a slide changed to the terminology and we could classify the domains in anything which shows the operation phase same parts it is cold temperature basically so here we are with design phase the large group of structures and we have the same objectives and the objectives are the utility functionality the activity and the risk and threat we are dealing with structural systems so it is operation phase there is design phase for cooking operation structural growth development and testing it is also in design phase and we are dealing and we should not forget the opportunity to see the SMX1 system structural health information system development and here we have the advanced activities in this regard especially with the structural health information quality quality of the structural health information this is what we have it is not officially working with one but we also are working with four for the day after working with five after a group of women and probably separate decision analysis and I suspect it is a system to do the question so this is always for information and here we have the risk system engineering as my favorite point is the guidelines are to solve also the context of the JCCS so it is the link and it is but it is not it is not necessarily the effect for this type system so it is right here JCCS is not the risk assessment in the engineering it is not for risk protocols whether people want this okay and so once we have set up the decision analysis and the guidelines we can then derive an organic function that provides the overall of this but this is a very long vision information guidelines pre-posterior guidelines of information of actions life-side performance and which is associated with the music of the life-side performance we think of the temporology so we have basically a sort of really loop or we consider the correlation case we have a combination of lines from one time to another then we also have dependencies for words throughout the time and so this is a thin dash lines so this is simple but not life-side life-side is that here that we have decisions and information programs and action and this is the other phase of the life-side and then the phase is about the temporology and then the other phase is about the systematic so this is the life-side and then some this is about the realization of the framework of the framework so it's about the other constitutive constituents that create states into a system that create states where this is usually the site for the project here we are designed against the failures and dangers but we should not make the functionality of the system so I protect technology this is what we have and what is providing the benefits we are not used to what it is but we think of our own decisions inside of our benefits and of course with the products and most of the time but decisions are more coming to the institutional logical core this is the information and how we learn the first opportunity is the structure of information and specifications why do I know what is the future and who has run a strong professor who has campaign as one of the very long sections towards a structured testing but not really as treated in regulations yeah it would be like if anything more checked and anyone has money is there something that the way we think we circumvent the modern identification the very we have the circumvent the modern identification but what is looking at there was anything good we could put it into information there may be different ways we could summon more specific random sections that provides an input I'm trying to understand the logic because what kind of leads of this S&I strategy why is the measurement a commission that what is that what is that what does mean it's a kind of test okay okay very some words should describe some elements could be any set set and the end measure of characters like strength identification before I mean yes there's no logic in analogous notices such as but the ring is somehow comprehensive and it's typical information all strength is right and then this is the header and then there's description of how those information logic and then okay okay okay a melody in the sense that you have to okay okay okay okay okay okay okay okay okay okay okay okay okay okay okay okay okay okay okay okay okay okay okay okay okay okay okay okay okay okay okay okay okay okay okay okay okay okay okay okay okay okay okay okay okay okay okay So here we have an event, the same as with the coup for you, as the inspections are very local. I just want to support what my team has said, because you cannot justify it this way. I think it's very normal, because basically the inspection will go national. You cannot say how you justify it. You're going global measures, you're going global measures. This is not there. So you have inspections, you have inspections with day-to-day measures. You can do visual inspection, you can do notice and dispatch the testing. Then, if you're not happy with this, you're going to do low-pest. You're going to apply votes, you're going to ask yourself, go for testing, you can do different low-pests. And then, based on that, you'll do detection of energy. So in the way you present it, it's more possible. I am very thankful to Pech. The difference between measurements and inspections is, for example, you can actually apply it. And when you apply it to global measures, and then our tests and then inspection, and then this is a policy inspection, we have a devaluation, we don't know how to do it. The first step is sort of like an inspection, we have a little bit more. For bridges, the first step is to do visual inspection. That's what I'm trying to do. Yeah. Yeah. There is some knowledge here that you think there's a problem. You think there's an underlying logic of connection between you. But it's not on this side. It's rather in the way of the information. So that we can work in connection with the structure. So this is all visible to you. Maybe this is the way why it is. I didn't decide that it's really hard to try to understand. I can send you for the next. Thank you. Cassifying things in a massive, real complex, which is of course difficult, and I have discovered that all of you should be there, of course. How much of this can we ever, nearly, define what the purpose of the structure is, because do we think that it's that connection, or is it why it has failed? The best thing to think about in the framework. In this graph, it's there, like proof of the connection. It's about performance measurement programs. I think of the big damage. I have been told in the structure of this, it's made in prison. Whereas here, in the context of, as a general reason, it's damage detection. Again, as a general reason, in my view, there's no other damage detection. It's about also measuring performance. Perhaps we can use it as well. It all starts with kind of a practical reason, right? What do we need to do besides understanding SHM? Because we have a lot of value of SHM, others can come to the future by inspection and so on, but we have to take it to the core. Thank you for the interesting points. If you want to make this comprehensive here, then it's about structure and have information. It's not about decision. It's not about inspection. Let's try to make a comprehensive. And we have the idea here is to, yeah, to summarize all such information. But of course, mostly the ones we can clearly model and we can clearly model. That's what we're overseeing here. But I have ascended the slides of self-explanation. The document should be. So, but, well, why do you... Why are we inside? Is there something which is not inside? In terms of comprehensive, addressing the structure of the information or any information in minority from the structure? So, this will be my question. Just a discussion of that. Okay, it is probably the right way to construct information rather than considering in the context of what you're trying to model. The other, that monitoring is just part of it. So, let's say monitoring. As he started monitoring, he sat here from the slide. Right? And this is David or? Or is it his accident? Because it is a constant. It is kind of kind of replaced by measure information. I don't have standard detection information out of the phone. The whole idea of some of this the same structure of monitoring and some of the historic algorithm, right? It is kind of still sometimes making kind of a wrong direction. Because it is not always held. But rather some kind of performance is such, right? It is held from the past. That is the vision of that history. So, this is the thing for a month. Yeah. We are really talking about the slides. We may think of measurement and monitoring information. In that sense, so, because of the thing between measurement and inspection is very temporal about it. So, measurement and monitoring information will make more clear that it is a continuous measurement we are taking that the inspections are temporal in the script. I think depending on how one sees this, I think this is a very nice classification of what we call this, okay? For example, if you separate measurement information with data detection information or you use a measurement to the data it has to be separated. Because in the measurement information you would like to know how to optimize whatever you are trying to measure. Okay? It doesn't matter. You don't just pay sensors. You might want to optimize where you pay sensors. What kind of... Even the good logic. What kind of logic? You are going to optimize your logic scenarios if you want. Just to comment. The maximum information that lately we do for data detection and so on. So, this is a nice example. I can separate the four things that you put down. I hope you understand how you do that and what are the details hidden because you don't have 30 seconds. But I can find out a lot of details you know. Okay? And comment? Thank you for this once. Yeah, very good. Other, thank you for pointing this data detection information. Of course, we rely on some more measurement and monitoring information. Where one of the pointers is that the measurement information can directly go into the structural model. Whereas the data detection or measurement information which are used for data detection cannot go directly into the structural model. They go ahead with the indication that the structure model... Adam had a... very good view. I think I understood the comment of my last colleague. The way he presented from my experience in Tennessee last night, you are an approach of this project in terms that you are... when you say measurement information can be auto-monitoring for years of time. That information might be able to be used somehow in the data detection. And those articles are something that is happening in your group. And then you do something more in the data detection organization. But, I think you want to have these approaches to optimize this kind of instruction. I think it makes sense for both of the top. The measurement information should be like a model could be something that is running at the square of time. And you have a program that has a system approach. When you are trying to invert your model that has been turned out in this direction, what you are thinking is a little bit crazy about some things. But, it's trying to raise the right space. Yes, this is a way to... I understand the way of thinking of that we can use measurement information to optimize the directions in the TNL with that model. I think the neurology is more great. I would put more information than special information than what the data detection information has to do with it. But, why what the way of thinking is special measurement information to the station. Because, yes, the national information information has to be open to the nation. So, it should be political information and special information. And then, information of all places. Because they have to contact... Can you go ahead and contact me? With, say, every month to make sure that I don't forget. One more? Yes, of course. Can you connect this to the further information? Thank you for this one. Let me... Let me finish This was the SFIS verification. Thank you for discussion and inputs. I always want to say that point needs to be better and better. So, it is also better because there is more information. There is more characteristics of the SFIS. This is linked to the answer to the qualification request. So, I have so far put the position into the SFIS measurement process. So, the measurement answer to her grant the SFIS system installation where exactly our development can be changed. You are asking the structure of the system and she does not. Exactly. Thank you very much. Okay. There is uncertainty about the system and the operation of the system and also the... And now 3-3 and 3-4 is how we are modeling these SFIS strategies. So, one way is to work with indication events and library functions. Then we can update of the solutions and we can use a pressure then we can find the event and create the quality of the event. So, this is one way and then we can perform these goals to the expectation of the characteristic of model assumptions. So, yes, the function performs with a model which has a little precision. But when we measure we may get to know subject to the SFIS uncertainty we may get to know the realization of model assumptions. So, this is part 4. There may be also the relation to work with quality information which is in-quality information which is normal to 3-3 and 3-4. And part 4. We see a sensitive way that we provide the solutions for the creation of SFI model. So, this is the first decision of model we identify the ultimate SFIS the ultimate actions and in connection with both the decision rules. So, we want outcome when I observe for certain outcome or specific outcome what will be the action so that the system can be run. This is the simple and then we can also talk about the significance of this of these decisions. So, this is the model that we talk about part 2, part 3, part 4 and not about part 5 but here we need to take up the example that is many lot of of the tree benchmark or maybe something out of our business we have to see all simply few examples to develop a lot from tree. Let's see what we can do. I will connect some of the conclusions of the business and sustainability and this is basically here can just wait for where is the sustainability and the business is somehow in the framework and the importance actually in the objectives here so it's the environment with a different system so there is a sustainable system so this is about sustainability and when we quantify sustainability we need to quantify the environmental impact so in this way this can be directly addressed as a part of the consequences of the environment and in this it's something that is a relative environment on how fast the system can recover its functionality and in this relation the information is rather a topic of research in return to this for example where you are saying maybe use the benchmark for the three and not one of the three times I mean for example that's not the right example but it is being done but it usually is being done for five yes yes but in principle it's something that can be done for five and somehow this way it's a little more easy to handle than in the case but we have the other for this thing of more evidence of evidence is there in the case that it's out this has been overtaken from the contents of my paper for instance if you do what you don't know if you want we are talking about principle example as the plain example principle example as example of fundamentals of principle example of principles not principles principles principles it's also the example of principles principles principles yes it's a good example which clarifies how the theory is used for many many aspects of it many we can think about okay let's say what to do for the


Okay, let's kick up the session of the decoupled layout builder in core no Come in every Welcome to this Board public board meeting and and general at chat with you And we want to actually use the opportunity to listen to your questions and what do you want to hear about what the Drupal Association is doing and There is this thing that we have to do or we don't have to do but there is official part as a board That we have to go through by taking off the last minutes Which is everything is published on Drupal.org so you can read up on all the things that we are doing But most important there are certain things that we have to go through so we are gonna do that really quickly The board did meet in Paris common See familiar color There It's the Red Army Yeah, there's enough space so So in a in a board meeting we try to then make decisions of and checking off Things that we have agreed on and said that we want to move forward So our last board meeting that was in Pittsburgh We also had a really good attendance And back then we actually decided on three new strategic initiatives for the Drupal Association Which Tim is gonna tell us all about quickly. He's gonna give us an update. Maybe we can go through the agenda So we are gonna we're doing the welcoming. That's the welcoming and we're gonna briefly allow everyone to maybe say their names if this is Think it is no this this is the board. It's fine. Tiffany sit down there That's gonna be the welcome then we are gonna do the short update of what the Drupal Association is doing and we are of course like Writing a lot of blog posts and we are trying to be as public about what we are doing. We are doing our best But I think we can always do more and therefore your feedback is welcome When we are going to approve the last two meeting minutes That's gonna be very quick, but we need to have an approval because this is official board meeting then We had a we are having some people leaving the board including myself because our terms are due And then we have new people coming to the board and we need to maybe if we agree Because disagree We both had a common community elected board member being elected now recently. I hope you all voted I hope you're all a member of the Drupal Association And then we also had some nominations from the board and we are gonna go through this slate Then we are gonna end the meeting and start the Q&A and we are gonna try to do This in maybe 15 minutes maximum and then actually hear from you what your questions are So to kick it off. Let's hear briefly from who you are where you're from. I will start back day from Iceland I'm current board chair Tim Doyle from the US. I'm the CEO of the Drupal Association Hello, Rosalina now working in the European Commission. I'm from Spain, but I'm living in Brazil Hi, I'm Nikhil Deshpande. I'm from Atlanta, Georgia Hi, my name is Nick Fienhoff. I'm from Belgium 30 minutes away with the car not very far and I work for a good lab Hi, Lin Kaposi from Boston, Massachusetts I'm Mike Herschel from Gainesville, Florida in the US probably about a couple hours away by car I'm Tiffany Ferris. I'm from Chicago. I am with Palantir Nikki Flores, I'm here from Lansing, Michigan in the United States. I work with Lullabot I'm Dries originally from Belgium now live in Boston I'm just lean on you. I'm Ryan Zorama from Greenville, South Carolina. That's in the Bleary Ridge Mountains And I'm the CEO of Centaro the company behind Drupal Commerce Owen Lansbury from Australia work with previous NICs and Treasurer of the Drupal Association Board Well, and then we need something we need to have the time. What time is it Tim? Okay, 419 the meeting is set. I Called the meeting to order Start Okay, do you want to sit down? Yeah, please Thank you. So we have the the first topic is A DA Drupal Association update. I'm happy some chairs right here behind me if you okay I'm happy to provide a Five-minute, maybe six-minute update on everything that the Drupal Association has been doing not everything But let's start with the new strategic plan It was back in June of this year that the board approved a new strategic plan During Drupalcon Pittsburgh in North America. It's a three-year plan It has three objectives The objectives are innovation marketing and fundraising for innovation The objective is that Drupal becomes the most innovative the most impactful web platform in the world by promoting the open web For marketing the objective is that the Drupal brand is recognized globally as a platform of choice For ambitious end users in government business and beyond and in fundraising The objective is that the Drupal Association takes a leadership role in raising funds for community initiatives So I'd like to go through each one and give you an update on what we've done since so this plan was approved in June It's on our website. You can read the full plan if you go what we've been doing since June In in terms of innovation we've had two things going on first pitch Berg You might have heard about it. It was a contest that was part of the trees came up for for Drupalcon pitch Pittsburgh Thus we call it pitch Berg Where community members could submit videos of proposals for innovations to the to Drupal for review by a panel of judges This was the goal is to spur people thinking and getting excited about innovation So we were able to raise $98,000 from partners that included aquia 1x internet Palantir digital polygon Zucha skilled and image X There were 29 submissions seven were funded We had money to fund seven one has already been completed and About $13,000 has been issued have been issued. So I think we're on track for a successful initiative This was a test case to see how Innovation could be or could not be Driven by raising money from partners to fund ideas from the community The second is our Drupal certified partner program. It was it's been mentioned a couple of times during the Drupalcon We will be enhancing that program To make it sure it's a hundred percent focused on makers the companies that are makers in the Drupal community And then promoting their work and promoting getting more makers into the certified partner program We believe if we have more makers, we will naturally have more innovation. So our goal is Rolling out a new or an enhanced Drupal certified partner program in 24 with a focus on makers In terms of marketing if you're at the tree snow, you've heard some of this So I won't spend too much time the Drupal Association under the auspices of our Marketing working group of which Lynn and Nikhil are members and Suzanne Durgachev with evolving web has been participating Has been working with an outside consultant to develop a marketing strategy For Drupal as a product so not the Drupal is not marketing Drupal Association not marketing services Looking at Drupal as a product like a go-to-market plan And from that we'll develop the strategy and we'll have a number of initiatives that come out So that should be hopefully done by December the board if they approve it will start those activities in In the new year 24 We also if you heard we're attending web summit 2023 in Lisbon We are a plat and we meaning the Drupal Association with four partners are a platinum sponsor of any of a of a booth at Web Summit if you're not familiar with Web Summit, it's a very large Tech conference that's not in the community. It's outside the community And that's intentional because our goal is to begin marketing to those who are not believers How do we get to the not believers into the Drupal community and we want to do that by going to? Tech conferences that folks are going to so when they walk down the exhibit hall and they see adobe They see whatever they're all going to see Drupal and the marketing again will be on Drupal the product not on any of the partners The partners we have in that 1x internet aquea phase 2 and ffw are the seed partners on that if this model works We want to continue this as a model of getting partners together market Drupal at Non-Drupal conferences We're very excited about that Third objective fundraising We have a focus on philanthropy And I don't know where I get that picture, but it says philanthropy in so I thought well that's where we want to stay Let's stay at the philanthropy in That's the only picture I could come up with that It's in the Drupal village Perfect. Thank you, Tim So on philanthropy We have a number of things going on I'm excited to to let you know that we've already been successful in receiving a $300,000 grant from a from a film from a Tech fund on that We have hired Julia Cranstor who's our Full-time philanthropic expert on staff at the DA and will be leading our efforts and being in the philanthropy So that's one thing we've already done since June Second is looking at how we can increase Revenues from programming that we can then plow back into the community. So how do we increase revenues at Drupal cons? Drupal steward program Drupal certified partners in order to Invest that money back into the marketing innovation initiative that we talked about That's so that's kind of everything that we've been doing since June This is our strategic plans on our website Our goal is to update the progress towards our goals every three months And so you can go there and find that out Last thing I'll say before we end One of my goals. I've been here about a year next week will be my one-year anniversary of one-year-old So thank you But I do want to say the first five months Four or five months. I had a lot of calls with CEOs across, you know, our members the US Europe extra after four or five months bodies that start doing something don't just start talking but But I heard what I heard in that was from the European community from the CEOs Something that I intentionally spent the last 12 months trying to begin to make inroads And that's that the DA is to us focused and we need to be more global So so I do I do want to go over some things that we've been doing over the last 12 months to address that And I will take any feedback folks have I have a large team of staff here explicitly for the purpose of understanding what's going on here and how can we better serve but in the last 12 months We've hired on the DA staff to staff from Spain We have to pitch work winners. We talked about pitch work are in from Europe Frank Frantz come and factorial or both pitch work winners We're holding web summit the tech the technology conference. We decided to go first was a European Tech conference And that was intentional We have received a grant as I said from a European Tech Fund. That's where it came from We you will hopefully In a few minutes more than half of our board members will be from overseas outside the US We are actively engaged in the Cyber Resiliency Act, which is a EU Regulation European Union regulation that is we've worked with typo 3 and wordpress and Droomla Matias. Oh, yeah, thank you. Matias is here from typo 3 yep, if There's information on our website, but we've been active in there's grave concerns that the way it's written now is going to Negatively impact open-source software. It's treating open-source software like super well-funded proprietary software from the US or from anywhere And that's problematic more information on our website, but we've been very active on that area three of the Pittsburgh judges That that rated the pitch work were European companies we split so skilled Zucha and 1x internet So these are just the beginnings of really my efforts to try to make sure that the Drupal Association is not too US focused So I throughout this conference. I'll take any more feedback you have on what we could be doing more and with that that is the DA update and we will move To approval the meeting minutes. I want to on top of this what he said because this is a little bit of new things And we think that it's important to talk about that, but we also have an incredible staff of the DA in here Raise your hand, please the engineering team program team the event team marketing and All of you that are here You know, they are also just doing what they are doing the best and running the infrastructure making sure that we can deploy code We can do amazing events as well and all the things that you're doing So I just wanted to make sure that that's not forgotten and thank you for all of that so Let's do the approval of the meeting minutes we have sent all the meeting minutes to our board and I think that there's just we want to just do a vote Yeah, so Okay, good approved check This is all gonna be published on Trouble.org as well as with all the last board meetings that we put out I think last year after the feedback from you So thank you for that Yeah Thank you Tiffany. That's a that's a correct. It's a it's a board. There is a public entity like a public company So we are no profit. We have to apply All right, then Nikhil All right, so as as the chair of the nominating committee It's my pleasure as we'll read the last section of this this meeting As for the presentation so One thing that's important that needs to be said is that as per the bylaws established procedures, you know We will be going through this voting process the the nominees that we have Carefully considered and selected for their exceptional contributions to the Drupal community their passion for open-source software and Their dedication to the goals and mission of the Drupal Association I believe their expertise and commitment make them ideal candidates for the Drupal Association board As you can see up here There are obviously certain criterias that we we Looked at while considering these nominees and based on their additions, you know it anytime you change the board There is a change in dynamic But happy to say that with the addition of the new nominees over geographic diversity actually went up Our gender diversity is going up The agent agency representation and developer expertise has stayed as consistent as it has been and Our age diversity has gone up. Well in a way that we have more younger people So having said that Happy to happy to announce that in our class to director We are Combinating in Bray Malik majoring I'm right Embray Embrays a managing partner at Dutch digital agency react online a former chair of the Dutch Drupal Association He has been contributing to Drupal for over 16 years His contributions include being a lead organizer of Dutch Drupal Camp Drupal Jam Drupal con Europe advisory committee and a co-founder and organizer of the splash awards He has also been a speaker for Drupal at Drupal events and digital marketing events international and regional marketing And has also worked on the advisory committee for Drupal con Europe the second name which is Tiffany Ferris we all know Tiffany and we are we are happy to you know move her into her second term But the third name Lenny Moskalk Lenny is a senior project manager at Cocomor AG as well as a co-organizer of Drupal Camp cave She has worked on the advisory board for Drupal Camp Europe since 2021 Including assisting with Drupal con Lil and Drupal con Prague more recently Lenny won the woman women in Drupal 2023 Award for the scale category at Drupal con Lil Lenny has had a strong presence in the Drupal community for nearly a decade other experiences include working with timeout digital Lemberg solutions and the event organizers working group Then we have a class 3 director nomination for Piyush Padar Piyush will be serving the remainder of the one-year term vacated by Rahul Piyush is currently the VP of sales and partnerships at Accelerant Passionate about the Drupal community He co-founded Jaipur Drupal user group and is one of the co-founding board members of the Drupal Association of India He has regularly worked with both Indian and international Drupal communities in organizing many Drupal events and Being a regular track chair and speaker at Drupal cons and jury at splash awards in his podcasts Human behind digital experiences at Accelerant. He speaks to digital agency leaders Empowering some of the biggest brands with transformative technology Let's give it up for Piyush Then we are happy to nominate the actual at large director Phaeloran who has been very overwhelmingly Chosen by on the executive committee's side we are happy to have Owen Lansbury as our next chair for the DA Secretary will be me Treasure we're happy to have Tiffany Ferris walk into that role. Well, actually you are into that role Let's extend in that role Or found in director, you may have heard Dries and One thing that we are changing here is we are introducing an immediate past chair Which is going to be in non-voting position, which Bhatti has very, you know Kindly agreed to Help us in the transition. So this does does not give you know a cut in the Transition between two chairs. So Haven't said that. I don't know what the what the practices for the Yep, just so just maybe you all just don't know that that we are, you know Maybe you're gonna talk about that briefly too, but we are having two people or three going out from the board It's because of the bylaws. You can only be three years and you can do two terms in six years and so on and and also what you What he was represent like talking about class 2 and class 3 that was the the formal nomination process from the nomination committee and for face position that was you that selected Faye and And she's of course a big Representative of the of the community and has a very good voice and I'm very happy to see you on board because I think you're gonna be a Very good addition to this group. So I'm very happy to have you And welcome. Oh, no, we don't need to vote because we need to rectify this even though this the community selected You we still as a board because it's bylaws. We still need to do the voting now Okay, so so we do need a motion. Yeah, we need a motion from the board So Ryan has made a motion. Do we have a second my cursor Mike? I'm letting I'm honoring. I'm honoring Ryan and Mike I'm letting Mike's made a second all in favor say a or raise your hand Any opposed say nay or don't raise your hand Okay, unanimous. It's approved Welcome new board members And before we end we're about to end the meeting and then go into Q&A so before we do I do want to say a heartfelt thank you to Ryan and Mike for your I won't say because you're gonna stay on we're not letting you go so but Ryan I really my I've only been here a year, but I really appreciated your reasoned voice and willingness to speak up and and Communicate with people, you know now not only a respectful way But a way that move the conversation along you're a very strong voice for For your issues on the board and I really respected that super respectful Mike you were always willing to pitch in and help out and speak up and I you know I That is super important and you brought the perspective that wasn't widely shared on the board And you're willing to even when you maybe fell alone willing to speak that up and say it was I if I kind of courage and just Dedication to the mission. I really appreciate so thank you both for your time Also, I want to say thank you Ryan. Thank you Mike. I want to say a quick Thank you to baddie as well even though she's gonna continue to help us in a non-board position I Want to thank baddie. I will highlight three things There's a lot to like about baddie And I have to limit myself to three things, but one is her go-getterness. I love that about you You jumped in you went above and beyond. I don't even know how many days weeks months You dedicated to the Drupal Association. I've been on weekly calls with you I know you've been on weekly calls with other people I mean it just so many hours. I suspect all the people in the red t-shirts are here to make sure they get one of their leaders back Because she's been missing in action. I'm sure partially at least Given that she has you know generously provided us so much of her time to help us Let's see what's something else to highlight Actually one of the things that I like a lot about what buddy has done It's like sort of she has connected us in really good ways like I don't know It's a special skill of you. I think but you have a way of bringing us all together And aligning us behind the same goals that I've never seen before. So thank you for that. Mm-hmm It's true, right? She has a way of look there's never been this many people even Had a public board meeting and I And I suspect baddie has a big part to play in that so you have a way of bringing everybody in the community Not just a board together and that's been real really helpful in creating the strategic plan and all of these things And then maybe last one at least is your endless Optimism you're like an optimistic leader, which is great to work with like there is not a lot of doom You know and gloom it's always positive and That's great. So thank you baddie Just to be clear, I'm not going anywhere. So If you think you can celebrate there, that's not the case No, I think yeah, I thank you so much. Thank you trees and thank you to all of you You know, you're all amazing and and of course you are the one that make a triple project Awesome and continue doing that and continue coming to us and tell us about what we should do better And how we should do things differently because It's so easy to make these changes if if the if we are all behind it. So thank you I think I'm gonna yes, no more applause is we are gonna make the official closing, right? Yeah, we need a motion to close What What time is it then all right? We are done No 442 we're done with a public board meeting Yeah, I am extremely proud because I think we In my first public board meetings that we came to I think we were like five that came, you know, and really People were that not so interested in or they were that but they were vocal about what we were doing But you know, we want to go now into the Q&A section because we want to hear from you What questions do you have? Do you have a question? So I'm just gonna put out the mic And allow you to ask a question if you want to is anybody that wants to start Everyone is super happy the question can also go to trees about, you know, so we can just start here Just a quick about the marketing. I think it's great the marketing initiative but It's at the web summit seem the very corporate event to be to be targeting and I think that's important, but I think We need to be targeting Expanding the community so the sort of things I would love to see targeted are things like maker fairs Comic-cons things that young people go to And you're looking looking to get new people into the community new people Contributing to projects So I'd love to hear if you have any thoughts on that sort of angle for it I'll jump in So thank you. Thank you for your comments about that One of the reasons to choose the web summit is because it is an enterprise kind of corporate audience And that's intentional right because we want to make sure that we as much as possible We're opening up the door for Drupal to those people that are making those digital decisions So that's one audience or that's one group So happy that we're doing that on the other side. I don't know. We haven't really talked about comic-con and not sure My son just went to the New York one the other day So we'll see what he can tell me about kind of who's going and what's going on But I do think one of the things we talked about the other day Which is on the radar is what are we doing to build the university community so that we can get the kids at Least of the college, you know the young people through college and get them exposure to Drupal I'm not sure we'll go any lower than college But certainly, you know, we'll take kind of ideas around that so and maybe yeah, maybe to add to that So we are also working towards making the onboarding journey for a contributor on Drupal dot org to be better and easier There's all these tools and like we work up with get up Of course of all these things that we can automate. So for example, if you're registered to Drupal dot org, you know Then you're like well cool But there should be something that is welcoming you and you know get you through the first contribution or show you where the Easy novice issues are and so on so I think there's many things that the marketing plan and the innovation plan is gonna include So maybe to add a little bit to that so indeed like we could go to all these fairs But if we cannot keep them after their first contribution or even if they cannot get to the first contribution It's actually not a very good investment So we have to go on two fronts. So one is to do that marketing but two is also to keep whoever joins and Associations work on these baselines on to understand. What's the ratio today of who stays and we don't really know Today, but we need to know and then we need to work to improve that ratio so that's Maybe not super helpful to that question, but I think it's gonna go in the plan Any more questions or some more? It's more it's more It's a story because I'm very very supportive of the the decision you made about like focusing on the builders I'm one of these let's say Let's say in the habitant of the village that went away came back I went to very very a lot of technology. So I love them all not only Drupal, but I went to Laval I went to different existing things and I have a wife and that Few years ago maybe two years ago asked me to make a website. So I say yeah, let's do it in in Drupal So I do a little website for her in Drupal and after two months. There was like a core upgrade and my host provider says We just close your your your website because it's insecure and I was oh god I should have spent time on the website of my wife, but I didn't want I just want a website and then it will work for at least few months few years until I need to go there because I'm no is Secure is not maybe up-to-date, but it's secure So I'm I take all the file because it's three-year-old Hosting I take all the file FTP I change of our grade everything and then I re-put everything on the website two months later Co-upgrade and the website is closed because there is a security upgrade My wife say I don't want to use Drupal and it was super sad because it was my fault But I I think there is something lesson here where we can Not talking about big company but also little users that would like to have like this kind of easy solution for builders and have something that they can use for at least few years without like being concerned too much about security and This kind of stuff I Agree I'm a I'm a big proponent of smaller sites like I've run several smaller sites on Drupal and right now every single one of them I have to do the composer upgrade manually That's all like if you're not aware of it. There is the automatic updates initiative that Will that will be in core that along with like project browser Like I said automatic updates recipes are a whole bunch of things that smaller sites need a lot of a lot of people say well Drupal is not for smaller sites even some of us and I'm like that's BS Drupal can work great for smaller sites But right now the the command line process is kind of a pain in the butt, you know But once we can get beyond that it's gonna be wonderful Trisha you want to add something to it? Yeah, I mean I think Mike said it Well like if you look at the strategic initiatives that we have right now Like the ones you just mentioned they're very much focused on sort of the ambitious side builder and Like think about automatic updates project browser. These are not things Honestly that enterprises needs right they have their ways of doing updates and all of these things They work with agencies to figure out which modules to install so a lot of the things that we're doing are specifically targeting sort of you know Smaller users if you will or you know less sophisticated organizations and that is intentional And the way I think about it is like I do think Drupal is the best solution for larger organizations or organizations But I also think about it as a funnel like we need to get people into the project because a lot of us started with smaller websites, right and then eventually Moved on to build bigger and more complex websites or we we learn about Drupal through smaller projects And then we brought it into a larger organizations And that's kind of like a funnel or mark or pipeline if you want to use kind of more business language And so a lot of these a lot of these initiatives will help. I Think the smaller users, but then also hopefully bring more people into Drupal more broadly. So You know, I think we agree with you and we're trying to do something about it I will also say like We made the decision to build Drupal on top of third-party components including symphony and a lot of the upgrades and the cadence of security updates are The result of using third-party components So like the reason we do these is because Things like Seeker editor or symphony components. They are end-of-life and when they go end-of-life We, you know need to obviously encourage our users to upgrade So my name is Sulama from West Africa in Burkina Faso So my English not very good because I'm come from a country where we speak especially French and When I'm looking around me and I look at the color of my skin I'm somewhere afraid it's not a question, but a recommendation or I'm trying to say that there is a continent Calling Africa and I don't see anything here about this continent and we have more than 3,000 person who are involved in Drupal Promotion and we are doing many things there, but no representation on the web and in the Drupal Association there is about Five years. I'm coming to all Drupal Con to see which I can reach To say them. Hey, look, please. We are here Africa But it's not yet the moment perhaps for us. Maybe I cannot integrate the Drupal ball This is not my finality, but my question is there is a plane is there a plane for Africa? Because the continent is very young and there are many people who can do something to promote Drupal there That's a great question. And thank you for asking this question because this is exactly what we want to hear We want to we want to be you know, and I think that we should get you involved and And not just that but make sure that you know I think that this is a definitely a priority for the board and it has been since I've started But I think that we can do much better And we should look at it and and try to do better. I think does anyone want to add to this Is there a plan I Am not aware of any plans specifically for Africa That being said like I'm rolling off the board, but Get in touch with baddie get in touch with anyone else here Everyone is fairly open and positive for this But what we would need is probably like what are the concrete steps that that would be most beneficial to the African community Like is there one thing that we can do that will just make make you all just get huge If you have like any type of ideas like that is is really helpful for us because as you can see We are not from Africa. So we do not we do not have your perspective I just want to add something from a learning that I have at kid lab And hopefully I can maybe transfer some of that to the Drupal ecosystem if you will I'm working together with the chaos community and also the all in open source comm is a website That they're working on badging system on how diverse your project is in both inclusivity language He she they them those those work, but also towards Regents and lots of different factors, but they're trying to figure out how to automate a little bit of that assessment And to then to give you that diamond badge of at least your projects Has some of the qualities like the qualitative ways of understanding That there's diversity in the project. It doesn't solve all the world's problems, of course And I fully fully agree with you That we should do a lot more Maybe even go beyond In the way that's possible, but that could be a start and maybe also for Drupal adork and I'm brainstorming here So there's no promises or there's nothing that I can actually decide on my own But maybe to collaborate with that initiative And allow these badges maybe on the modules or on core on other things and the Drupal Association did organize today Round table for local associations to come together because your question was is there a plan for Africa? I can say again. Is there a plan for Europe? Is there a plan for the US? Are we having as a Drupal Association a lot of Interaction with the local associations the answer is it's too little So we we did organize a local association board today And we are we are trying to figure out how we can actually get the local associations to work More stronger together with us. We had in the room strong new a strong local association that have staff members They have like a full board. They are running 500 people events and then we have people from Turkey, Turkey How do you say it in English? Turkey And a brand new community that came there and said like hey, we are new we want to start doing it Yeah, you two are here. I saw you and and we want to start doing something and get help So I think that that's something that we could do in the in the Drupal community That we're a Drupal Association where we can actually Figure out a way how we can facilitate and help each other because the power of the 15 people who are working at the Drupal Association We can only do so much that these 15 people can do but we need to enable somehow a good network And I think that was a good conversation that we had today with the local association community If I could get your contact will add you to the local association that were the group. Yes. Yes, totally more questions Thank you So yesterday in the keynote I was mentioned almost offhand that people might feel uncomfortable with the idea of the Drupal Association doing more marketing And I think I wonder if some of that conflict Maybe that people are feeling is because we see Marketing in the rest of the corporate world and how it maybe conflicts with the open web values that the Drupal Association Has said is that our core and so I'm curious if there's been any Discussions or thoughts from the board is if there is a place for Drupal to Offer a different perspective a different template on how to approach marketing specifically I'll say digital marketing because I think a lot of that doesn't apply to going to conferences and these other Areas that you're working on or whether you actually think that that's like too much for the Drupal Association to take on and Really we kind of just have to accept that the world of marketing is what it is And maybe it's a five or ten year problem for us to think about how we You know put a more open and you know privacy respecting and all of those other aspects of the open web flavor into our marketing Want me to start and then you can you can add on so I think whatever plan we come up with for marketing We will have kind of the Drupal values around it that certainly would be the goal So I'm not exactly sure what you mean when you say the corporate marketing But I will tell you that that is a lens that we will look at to make sure Nikhil jump in here, too That that's a lens that we will look at to make sure we have the right Drupal values if you will around it Does that make sense? Yeah, sure so the So so for that conference The the booth design that you shared that we don't we don't have it here But it had like a whole bunch of really like kind of open webby type type of slogans on there like your data You know a bunch of things like that, which I'm not I don't remember exactly what they were But I was like yeah open web so That doesn't quite answer your questions, but it can be done Both Nikhil and Lynn are extremely extremely intelligent with us And I think it's important like some of the low-hanging fruit because we really haven't done a concerted effort is not around that digital marketing space It's around brand awareness like that's literally where we're starting with us is just increasing Drupal's brand awareness because there are some Like in other places in open source There are some things that are easier done together and if we're constantly reintroducing Drupal either to our devs or to companies like just making sure that they're Understanding what modern Drupal is as opposed to like the legacy Drupal and that they have a good opinions about the actual product Like so I think that's important to keep in mind We're not going down the the route of really starting to do funnel conversions or any of that kind of stuff Anytime soon. Maybe you're talking about lead generation. Is that like sort of yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, no no no plan for that We're gonna make it impossible to delete your Drupal dot org account We you can never leave one more question. Here we go, right? From our newest board member So this question is actually on behalf of the diversity and inclusion Community it's something that we've been talking about and I have tried to Google it, but it gets buried in all of the modules, so I'm wondering is The Drupal Association does a really great job at collecting all kinds of information on the forms You know when we sign up for events like this It asks all kinds of questions about, you know, ethnicity and and and gender identity It's fantastic and the diversity and inclusion community has had some conversations about hey Can we can we get some of that data? So my question is is that data public or could it be? Right I will continue to follow up as best I can yeah, that's that's great So my understanding is it's not public today The information we collect on D.org is not public today Also, I would point out that I believe that information is voluntary people are not required to fill it out Obviously out of respect. So yes, we have the data. I'm not sure how expansive it is And I would presume at least legally it would be okay to an anonymous way May expose some of that data And so we can talk about that and that's a great question at a European conference because we are all about data privacy and we don't Exactly, so it's a great question. Thank you for that input and I think it is it's we need to stop because the The room is gonna be taken over with another session. I think yeah And we have a break but feel free to come to us Any time if you have any questions on Drupal Slack? We are there Join us anytime and thank you for coming in this really warm meeting room


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