Good evening everyone, my name is Pat Hanlon. I'm the vice chair of the Arlington Zoning Board of Appeals and I've been designated as chair for tonight's meeting. I'm calling this meeting to order at 734 p.m. I'd like to at the outside confirm that all members and anticipated officials are present. Members of the Zoning Board of Appeals, Christian Klein. Here. Roger Dupont, here. Daniel Riccardelli. Here. Venkat Holy. Here. Elaine Hoffman. Here. And Adam LeBlanc. Here. For town officials, is Vincent Lee here? I think he must be, yes he is. I'm here. And I know that I don't see whether Marissa Lau is here from the blind department, apparently not. In a moment, we'll get to the main item on the agenda, which is a continuation of the public hearing in 10 sunny side. But the first item in our agenda is an administrative autumn for which there'll be no public comment. It's a case that we decided we voted on on May 23rd in 3749, 12 Puritan Road. I circulated an opinion to the board on this weekend and received a few comments, which were mostly of typo sort of nature, which were all made. And I circulated rather late this evening, the final version proposed for approval. So I wonder if there's anyone who has any further comments or questions on the draft of a decision in this case, or if not, the chair will entertain a motion to approve the decision. Mr. Hanlon, I move. Mr. Klein. I move approval of the written decision for 12 Puritan Road. Seconded by Mr. DuPont. Is there any discussion? If not, I'll run through the roll. Mr. DuPont, I, Ms. Hoffman. I. Mr. Holi. I. Mr. Klein. I. Mr. LeBlanc. Is that an I? Yes, I. Okay, thank you. Mr. Riccardelli. I. And the chair votes aye. So the decision is approved. The next item on our agenda is the main business of tonight's meeting. It's the public hearing and continuation of the public hearing in the 10 sunny side 40 B application. I wanted just to check and make sure that the people in addition to the ones I've already called out who need to be here or here. Mr. Hoverty, our council. Good evening. Good evening, Mr. Hoverty. Ms. Schwartz for the applicant. Yes, hi. And Mr. Connor, I'll let you introduce the rest of your team. You know, which who's going to have a role tonight. Very good. Thank you, Mr. Hanlon. Good evening to everyone. Tonight we have presenting on behalf of UTL, Nick Urans, who is the principal and Rachel Lane. They will be presenting the revisions and responses to the questions and raised by the ARB and the board. We have David Schlack. I hope I'm saying this right. Schlack Lecker from Sammy Otis who will be updating the site civil drawings. We also have Kate Keenan from Offshoots who will go over the landscape design plan. So those will be the people who will be presenting tonight. I did want to let the board know that Ms. Schwartz and I did meet with the Broadway Neighbors Coalition last week. I know Ms. Janowitz who Janowitz is on the call. I don't know if Vince is on the call. And we did discuss some of the concerns relative to the ale wife Broadway intersection but generally in Sue can correct me if I'm wrong. It's a larger picture that needs to be addressed between the state Arlington and Somerville. So there was some talk about potentially putting a walkway there, you know, a striping it but we're gonna continue having that discussion. Great, thank you very much Ms. Akkar. So before we get any started any further I need to read the introduction to remote meetings which we're about to have. 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I think Rochelle is gonna present our revised design materials but I wanted to remind the board and other folks that are on the call that we submitted this presentation last week in advance of the hearing as well as written comments to the, or written responses by others to the comments that we received from the town on April the 23rd. And we also provided updates to the civil engineering plans that were related to some of those comments and requested by the board. So hopefully we'll receive those and we're able to review them and share them as necessary before the hearing. Yes, thank you Mr. Burence. You're welcome. I'll turn it over to Rochelle. I think the sequence is gonna be architecture and design and then landscape and then civil engineering as laid out in the presentation that we shared with you all earlier. I think you're on mute Rochelle. Hi, okay. Well, sorry about that. And thank you. Thanks everyone. Good evening. We're starting as Nick mentioned with response to the ZBA memos that we received and the first couple of slides addresses the questions around materiality. So on the slide we're showing a materials approach diagram that articulate our design thinking around the application of materials. So we're starting from the sidewalk up the ground level, the pedestrian level where we've got a design of a sort of a plinth level of brick and metal screening where materials, solid materials that are appropriate for the ground use. And then on the residential levels above we're showing sort of an approach that's more neutral and lighter in both color and pattern and texture. And we're using some compositional devices to help break down the scale with painted accent panels that you can see in the blue. You'll see in the front we've had that breakdown along the facade. And then we've got the reveals, the vertical reveals at the rear of the building which is over on the right. The volume is more, it's sort of more maximal volume, volumetric approach. And so we've taken the approach of our horizontality with the continuous sill and the grouped windows that are highlighted with accent panel to help sort of break the massing down and create a compositional approach. So here is a rendering that is seen from Broadway over by the health center across the parking lot. There will be a fence at the rear of the building. Can't really see it here but there will be one at the rear of the lot along with a planting screen offshoots is on the call with us tonight and they'll talk more in depth about the approach to the trees and to the plantings there but the intention is to provide a good buffer and a healthy planted buffer with native species. Here's a close up of that rear facade demonstrating the approach of how we are looking at the materials, the way that the patterning changes with the cladding and the accent panel, the continuous sill to articulate the horizontal edges and then grouping the windows for creating compositional breakdown of the overall facade. Over on sunny side, here is a view, close-up view of the garage entrance. So you'll see between the brick braids we've got infill metal perforated or metal mesh infill panels. They'll be of architectural quality. The idea is to have both a sense of transparency, visibility, additional sort of layering through a material that provides screening and a sense of warmth and tactility. Above we're taking a similar approach with the railing. So we're kind of having that material relationship with the perforation and the screening but we're tying more into the scheme, the color scheme of the residential palette above. These are some images of precedents to demonstrate some of the ideas that we're talking about. The idea that with the perforated mesh panels that you've got a sense of visibility, the image on the left shows that's the way that you are able to see through and yet have that sense of security towards the evening. But overall with these textures and patterns to get a sense of tactility and richness at the ground level. And so tying in some of those brick patterns with relief, we're looking here in the threndering at the residential entry and then further off to the left, we've got the entry to the storefront entry to the office programming. So if we're taking that patterning perforated, type of language that I just showed a few slides ago, the patterning and texture continues on through the brick here at the residential entry with punched windows to create a sense of validity about an edge boundary container for the residential entrance. By contrast, the treatment at the corner for the offices is something that's really visible and open, enabling connectivity, visual connectivity to the street. I'm now gonna switch gears and talk about the approach to lighting. So this is in response to some of the questions that came up around lighting and comments that had come up in previous conversations. What we have been prioritizing for lighting are highlighting the building entrance, having inviting to the entrances with well lit entrances, providing a good level of illumination around the perimeter of the building for both the residents and also for the sense of pedestrian safety along sunny side. This is also the approach towards the side entrances on either side of the building going to the stairs or to back towards the bike or garage entry over to the left and also providing adequate lighting in the garage so that you're able to see through providing the double sense of security both through the screening and also the lighting that there's just good visibility. At the same time, we're aware of spillover and we'll be sure to provide the appropriate guards so that there's no spillover light onto the street or up above. So yeah, this is overall lighting approach. Moving over to part two, these are responses to comments that were recorded and we'll start with the question around how we're addressing mail and packages. The mailboxes will be located to the right upon entry into the building in the lobby. So in plan view, you'll see it there over on the left side of the slide and then you'll see an elevation of that wall over on the right side. So it'll be sufficient number for 43 units. It'll be within accessible reach. The package room will be a secured room and you'll see that sort of across the way adjacent to the meeting room. If you can see where my mouse is, that's the package room. So the dimensions there are provided. There'll be an open counter and some shelving to help organize packages, but it'll be behind a door so it'll be secured. There were questions about the EV charging stations. So here's the approach that we're taking towards providing both EV ready for day one use for charging stations and then additionally, spaces that have the capability to be set up for EV charging. The requirement through FIA certification is to have two spaces that are EV ready so that's ready to use on day one and five EV capable. That's the 20% requirement coming from the town as of July 1st, 2023. So what we're proposing increases the number to four day one EV ready and the driving force here is accessibility making sure that we've got enough to cover ADA spaces to providing a broader reach for EV capacity. In the parking garage. In terms of the building height and questions around the building height, we wanted to address the common and questions around average grade, which is taking the grade from four sides of the building and averaging them out. And if you recollect the site, the grading picks up as we move towards the rear of the building. And so the average grade falls to approximately 15 feet and seven inches, which is pretty close to the finish floor of the first floor yielding a building height of 56 feet and two inches. And then we're showing some shadow studies here that we've conducted. I'll start with the summer solstice. You've got the shadows tested nine, 12, three and six PM and these studies, what you see in the gray are existing conditions in terms of the buildings that are here today and the shadows they cast. And then in the blue will be the shadows cast from the new building. So we're finding that the proposed building will not be casting shadows on residential houses, in the surrounding neighborhood. We're finding, our findings are similar for the fall and spring equinoxes. And finally with winter solstice when the sun is at its lowest in the sky, we're finding that the shadow of the building sort of grazes the rear locks along Silk Street and it's pretty long towards Michael Street. There are some shadows there in existing conditions. And so they're sort of, you know not additional significant casting with the new building towards three PM towards the end of the day. So that's the image you see on the right side. Okay, so that's it for the architectural responses. Shall we move on to the landscape architecture? Thank you. Let's, why don't we go through the whole presentation and then we can get questions from the board on any part that they feel moved to inquire about. Sounds good. This is Kate Kennan from Offshoots where the landscape architects on the project we met on many of you on our site visit out a couple of weeks ago. And so we shall just say next slide as you can move through all these, right? So the first thing that's really exciting about the site obviously is the location. It's such a nice place to put housing because of its location near the Greenway and also being surrounded by the habitat area that's both the cemetery and around the Greenway. As you know from being out there the site is really devoid of a lot of vegetation now and the vegetation that is there is kind of invasive spontaneous plants. Next slide. The existing street, go back one, thank you. The existing streetscape that is at Sunnyside is that there is a six and a half foot walkway in the left if we're in this upper left hand image. A 25 foot six inch street, then there are street tree pits that are actually three feet wide, three feet six with the curb and then a four foot kind of area that you can cross behind the trees. It makes for a nice proportion to the street where you can still come by the trees with enough of a four foot crossing to be able to make way by ADA. But these are important because of course we wanna relate to the existing trees on site and also create a nice new streetscape amenity as we go forward. So next slide please. So in the ground floor plan, what we end up having is around the building we're looking at a landscape move of two kind of ideas. The first one is the streetscape out in the front. And then the second is this idea of a native plant bird what we're calling it a bird ribbon or a habitat mix around the outside that would be a buffer screening with a lot of tall vertical trees. So I'll talk about each of these separately. So first we'll talk about the streetscape in the front. There are a series of five new street trees coming in along the front that we're proposing as well as biker acts. And then some smaller ornamental trees closer to the building with some ornamental plantings underneath those all of it being native species. Next slide please. So when we zoom into the streetscape what you can see are the dimensions that are being proposed here. Now this is the same dimensions that Uteal had previously shown in their concepts which I think works really well like I mentioned with the if we're really meeting the existing condition that shown previously is that the total sidewalk space is a seven foot sidewalk three feet for the planter of the tree pit four feet for behind the tree pit. And then the tree pits themselves are three feet by 10 feet long so a good ample space to get a good size tree to grow. And then the ideas as those are kind of spaced equally along the street with these bike racks that have eight foot clear between them. Next slide please. And you can, and so here we provided a more blown up. I know we provided a blown up more detailed planting plan. This lists all of the exact species that we're proposing to use and where and I'll just go through the overall objective of both aesthetics and ecologically. Next slide. Basically the street trees along the front the larger trees we're looking at native oak species again to reconnect to that ill wife corridor. So we're looking at a variety of large big oaks on the sunny side there. The second line down shows the smaller ornamental trees that we're proposing along the building to be able to break up that facade a bit. And then the under planting of the native shrubs and ground covers that we're proposing below that is shown there as well. All of these are really thought through for salt tolerance because we have to be really careful in our urban condition and pollution tolerance as well just because of the difficulty in living in our urban condition. Next slide please. And then the idea is in the back in the bird ribbon habitat mix is that we actually use many more of these columnar trees. You can see in the second row the columnar pin oak, columnar swamp bright oak the Armstrong red maple and some of these hybrid cotton woods is the idea that we could plant those in that smaller space and get some good verticality and green along the side of the building. And then the next slide is kind of under planting that with this series of more habitat oriented shrubs that we find natively in the ill wife corridor. And then next slide, the ground cover planting that we would plant underneath them which is just this idea of a very low maintenance ground cover that would be able to form almost a green mulch so that we're not constantly having to put down bark mulch underneath it. And then the next slide for the roof deck you can see in the upper right hand corner it shows a key plan of where the roof deck is on the second floor of the building. The idea for the roof deck here is to create a nice place for the residents to go. They're in gray, you come out from the roof deck from the building, you're able to walk around the edges of the site in gray with an occupiable deck on the inside. But surrounding that is this planted area that will separates the units from the deck itself also providing this opportunity for larger raised planters to be able to get enough soil volume that we could put some significant size plant material and trees in it to provide some shade. So the dark green all along the outside and along the south side would be these larger plants all kind of ringing the space. And then on the inside where it says the at grade planting is just a planting at the level of the deck that would then you would have the circuitous route around the outside as a walkway and then you'd be walking through this garden as you move through it. Next slide please. The kind of inspiration images of what this would look like this upper left-hand corner really shows that idea of what those raised planters might look like with soil and plant volumes in them on the right-hand side showing the difference between kind of a raised planter and what that at grade planting or the planting at the level of the deck would also look like. So we're kind of tiering it to create a sense of space. And the beauty of this kind of a flexible roof deck scheme the next slide is that we can kind of put site amenities on it that can be flexible so it could be changed from of course like a cornhole game or some sort of yoga practice to movable furniture or ping pong table or whatnot but it's nice because it gives us some flexibility. Next slide please. Lastly, the planting plan provided here calls out the species that we'd be looking at the roof deck again all native really pulling hyper locally from what we would see on the ill-wifed corridor to really try to replenish that urban seed bank with species that we want to see rather than the invasive species that are currently present on the site. And then next slide. The images for those shown here is just that it is this is more of a drier, sunny plant community that you would see because we are on the south side there and we'll get a lot of warm sun that the idea is about having seasonal interest as well. So thinking about winter and fall color as we move through the seasons as well as flowers. And then the next slide. This is just the understory because we also do love pollinators and the idea here is we would add some ornamental interest in that kind of understory layer of the plant materials as well. All right, and I think that is kind of the concept of the landscape wrapped up. I believe it's now on to civil drawings. Thank you, Kate. I'm Jeffrey P. Lott from Sammy Otis Consultants. I'm filling in for David tonight and we'll go through the comments from the town engineer and how we address them. Next slide, please. Starting with the site layout plan, it's been updated to show the pedestrian warning surfaces and the tactile warning strips in the sidewalk and at the garage and driveways. As Kate mentioned, the tree wells have been revised to three feet wide along the curb to match the existing sidewalk in front of the adjacent building. Next. So, and then we've also added manhole identifications to the site plan for the request of the town engineer. All structures are labeled now. Next slide, please. On the utility sheet, we added the proposed electrical surface to be underground, replacing the overhead wire for the town engineer comment and conflict. A sewer cleanout has been added 10 feet from the building as a cleanout and the proposed fire department is recommended by the fire department. The fire hydrant is recommended by the fire department to have the, on the same side of the street and close to the fire department connection located at the southeast of the corner of the building hence that location. Next slide, please. The stormwater management plan has been revised to show the stumps on the structures, proposed area drain one with a sump of two feet and the foundation drain now outlets to the proposed dry well in the bottom right-hand corner of the site. The comment from ARB noted the potential for high ground water in the area. So we acknowledge that and we will be doing soil testing during design development to identify the water table elevation. Also noted by the town engineer that was requested to include inspection ports on the infiltration system and those are now shown on the plan. I believe that addresses all the comments from the town engineer. Great, thank you. Welcome. Is there anything more in this, in this part? No, that's everything's to him. Okay. So bear with me while I try to bring you all back since I, there we go. So the, is the board have any questions or comments on the presentation that you've just seen? Mr. Chair? I have a few that relate to a couple of different sections. I can start actually here is maybe a good one with the, with the civil. Sure. So one thing that I was looking at and kind of reviewing this site a little bit more is we know we have the fuel, all our fuel right next door. And where the transformer is, that is like their kind of driveway. So I was wondering if there was any plans for any ballards to the right side of that transformer to protect it from any air and fuel trucks. Cause that also might be a requirement from ever source as well. Right, in order to meet that requirement and for post-transformers, so I will be adding ballards around that. Okay. For a vehicular, specifically. Mr. Spiegelberg? Yep. And going back to our landscaping, I had a couple of questions about that. With the proposed landscaping, there's like a lot of trees around the building itself. And I was just curious how tall we're expecting those trees to grow. You know, are they gonna be impeding kind of getting some natural light into those second floor units? I see the benefit of having all these trees. They provide some nice shade to the building to help keep it a little bit cooler. But just also thinking about making sure tenants have adequate natural light. Yeah, that's a good question. They are, it's a mix. There's some things that get into the 12 foot range. There's some things that do get into the 30 foot range. The idea is that you have a mix so that we can kind of alternate with the window blocks that Rachelle had shown earlier because there are some of those painted panels and other things that we can get some of that height between. But it's a good comment and we'll take a look at the exact spacing as we move further into development to make sure that we kind of avoid some of the big views. Yeah, that'd be good. And my last kind of comment is going to the roof deck. Some of the precedent images that you showed some of the planting beds are kind of harsh, hard materials especially being a little high. I'm just thinking of, it's a family building. There's potentially kids running around and I have heard of other issues on other sites of using a harsh metal kind of for these planting beds that it isn't ideal. So I'm just curious of what your exact kind of thoughts are for materiality for these raised planters. Yeah, thinking right now of a thin metal edge, the reason we love to do that is because it doesn't have a lot of width so we're able to maximize the amount of planting volume. We don't picture these being any higher than about two feet at sort of their highest point because we'd be able to go down and get about a foot and we'd like to see the soil volume for the larger trees at about two and a half to three feet. So they are not real high. The idea is, again, as we move into design development they might tip a little bit, they may change so that you can really see the green but we can consider that a little bit. We certainly want to make it family friendly and that is the objective going forward. Thank you. That's all the questions I have right now. Thank you, Mr. LaBloch. Are there any other questions from the board? Mr. Chairman. Mr. DuPont. So I have also a landscaping question and with other projects we're always concerned about the durability of the plantings to make sure that they can sustain over a period of time. And I was just curious when you look, so I know that the street is south facing and then as you sort of look at the perimeter plantings around the rest of the building, are those selected the exact plants? Are those selected taking into account the amount of sunlight that each face will? Exactly and that's exactly why there's two different communities. As on the outback side it's all selected for shade tolerance and for the front it's for sun insult. So it is a really different plant community. Okay, thanks. Yep. Is there anything else from the board? Mr. Chairman. I have, yes, Mr. Klein. Just quickly, again on the roof deck, the sections of planting that are at the same grade, essentially, as the walkways and the, is that a covering that is something that somebody would walk on or is it still the environmental? The intention is this because it can't be occupiable space for sort of how much occupiable space we're allowed to have on the site from code requirements is that it really can't be walkable surface. So as much as it kind of reads a little bit like it'd be a really nice lawn or place to play, that's not the case. This would actually be planted more of like a ground cover garden kind of feeling that you're walking through. Which is nice because around the deck you'll really feel like you're encompassed with green. The other thing too is with heat island effect in the city having more and more green spaces, kind of a desirable thing rather than hard scape space. So I think it provides this kind of nice loop walk amenity while having a big open space but other smaller places to gather as well. And is the intent to provide irrigation for the plantings? That would be the intent that we would think of certainly, you know, on the roof deck here for sure. And that's, you know, again, I should probably turn that back over to Mary and Erika to really confirm that. But our suggestion would be if the project can afford it that that would be the objective. Okay. Thank you, Mr. Klein. Sir, anything else? Mr. Chair. Mr. Ruggedelli. I jumped on a couple of questions. So sorry, they're not in coherent order. But I'll ask the landscape one first as we have this plan up. For the street tree planting strip, you mentioned it's three feet wide. I'm just curious, I mean, in past projects we've seen wider planting strips for street trees. Is that, you know, adequate for the size of tree that you'd be expecting there? It is as long as we have the, so it's all about the canopy size that you're gonna get on the tree long-term is very much relative to the amount of soil space that you have below it. And we call them tree coffins for a reason, right? We don't do three by three tree pits. It's gonna pull up the sidewalk. There's not gonna be adequate growing room. Three by 10 is about, you know, or three by eight is about the smallest we'd really wanna go when we're up at three by 10 that the tree will kind of put its roots in that soil volume if it has enough of a way to go. So I feel comfortable with that. And I feel that, you know, if we really kick that, the curb out another foot, although it would be possible, it really starts to bring that drive aisle down to 24 and a half, which of course, you know, that would have to be a conversation on the town level but there are a lot of big trucks and other things that come through there. So I feel like prioritizing having it match the rest of the street probably makes more sense. I always love to advocate for trees. So if you wanna give a, you know, tell us to do that, that's great but take it out of the paving but, you know, it is a busy street too. So we'll let you guys make that decision. Okay, thank you for that response. I had one question on the civil and the dry well that's being proposed, you know, all the way to the sort of bottom plan, bottom right. I'm just curious, actually isn't really related to the dry well so much but just looking at the grading background that's being shown here is what we're seeing kind of just above that dry well, that big grade change that's being shown, is that ledge, do we know if there's any, you know, existing ledge or any other sort of geological stuff going on in that part of the site that's causing that extreme brain change? I'm not aware at this moment but when we do soil testing, I think we'll have some more information regarding that. Okay. I think what you're seeing in this plan is the existing grade, these aren't the proposed grades but rather the existing grades on site and if you remember from being on site there are some sort of big soil deposits or, you know, they don't, it's not sort of a natural outcropping or something like that. I think it's, you know, urban film material that's been dumped there or something like that. So we'll obviously test it and evaluate it but I don't anticipate that there's any sort of major issue to removing yet or achieving the proposed grades. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. I just want to make sure, you know, if we're trying to infiltrate water that we're not trying to put it into rock because certainly that would create problems. Yeah. We have done some initial geotechnical investigations and there wasn't any evidence of bedrock on the site. So that's actually quite deep sort of clayey soils. Okay. That's good. And the last question I had was on the design of the back. Thank you guys for, you know, taking our comments and responding. And I think it's great to see the additional view of the back. You know, my only concern, I think the approach is a nice one. My only concern is that, you know, I do think it feels that it, you know, feels a bit commercial because of the horizontal nature of the windows and, you know, the horizontality of that facade.  My only concern is that, you know, as a residential development and trying to make this feel more residential that this feels much more in keeping with sort of the commercial properties that are adjacent rather than the residential neighborhood that I think we're aiming to be a part of. And that's it for me, Mr. Chair. Thank you. So the chair is going to let it go to a public hearing at this point if there's nothing further from members of the board. Before I do that, I want to review some ground rules for effective participation. Many of you have heard these before, so I'm sorry that we have to do it each time, but public questions and comments will only be taken as it relates to the matter at hand and it should be directed to the board for purposes of informing our decision. I as the chair strongly encourage individual speakers to address their comments solely to the topics that are being discussed at this hearing. Please note that there will be multiple hearings scheduled for this project. The next one is July 11. And each hearing will have an opportunity for public comment. The chair also encourages the public to provide written comments to be reviewed by the board and included in the record. 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Once all public questions and comments have been addressed or if we've reached the hour of, I'll say, 9.15, the public comment period for this evening's hearing will be closed. As noted previously, there are multiple hearings scheduled for this project and each one will have an opportunity for a public comment. The board, the applicant and staff will do our best to show documents being discussed and if you'd like a specific document to be displayed during your comment, please ask us to do so and we'll do the best we can to accommodate your request. So with that said, the first person on my list and I will try to make it get bigger is Evette Kavanaugh. Evette, are you there? Probably not, let's, we'll try to come back to Ms. Kavanaugh when we can. The next person on the list is Mikhail Munoz and Cabri. Thank you, thank you for the floor. I'm a resident of Mikhail Munoz Cabri, 44 Michael Street. Yeah, so concern we mentioned already many times but we are extremely concerned about the height of the building. We think it's not commensurate with the neighborhood and it sets a really bad precedent for the neighborhood and would be I believe the tallest in Starlington. So that's on one general concern that we've expressed multiple times. Seeing the shade study, a shadow study, a question for the chair would be can we have a full shadow projection with the whole circles as opposed to select towers because the way I saw that we have shading not only in the houses in Michael Street but also some of the Silk Street houses are gonna be, they're gonna lose their mornings in the winter. And specifically I also want to mention I believe those houses have not been formally notified of this project and those houses will be impacted by the project. So I believe the town should amend that by issuing formal notifications to all the odd number houses in Silk Street that are affected by the shade projection. I also want to note that the houses in front of us 35 and 39 Silk Street, they have solar panels. They will have a direct economic impact from this shading in the winter. So how are you gonna address that? And then a different concern is regarding the box, the utility box on the top of the building would like to know what is the sound level of that box. We are already impacted sometimes by the utility box of the Lively Center and that's much farther. So we wanna know what the study of the sound is and how many decibels will be where. Thank you. So that's a question for the chair. Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Cupra. So why don't we see if we can't, I wonder if there are three basic issues here. One has to do with height, one has to do with providing more detail in terms of time of day from the shadow study and the third has to do with the utility box. And I wonder if the applicant- Sorry, there was another one that was notifying the neighbors in Silk Street. That's not something that's up to the applicant at this point. And the notifications that have been done are being done in accordance with state law and that's not something that I can ask the applicant to address. So- Mr. Hanson? Yes, there you go. I'll address the height issue. We're not seeking any waivers on the height. This is just a matter of right in this zoning district. As far as the shadow study is concerned, that is typically in the industry how shadow studies are done at those intervals. But I will leave it to Rochelle to address the Silk Street issue relative to the casting of shadows on Silk Street. I think she said that was not an issue, Rochelle. Yeah, I think- Yeah, go ahead. It was barely touching essentially the property line of the rear yards in the study. And as you mentioned, the solstice and equinoxes are sort of picking the extreme ends of conditions. So you're getting a full range through that study. There's the data that is relevant is captured at those times. So is there any time that is potentially relevant that would provide more detail that would matter or these are basically the times that would matter in each case? Rochelle, can you answer that? Yeah, I will. I think with the summer solstice you're getting when the sun's at its highest in the solar year and then winter solstice casts the longest shadows because the sun is lower in the sky. It's rising earlier setting sooner. And then in the equinoxes is minimal impact. So I think this is sort of worst case scenario. I'm not seeing what more information can provide that would be, you know, we could grab a couple of hours around 8 a.m. if that's what's being requested, but this is sort of demonstrating. You know, I don't think as the sun starts to turn that you're going to get anything longer than this when the sun is high enough that you have actual solar gain in the day. And if you were looking from the point of view of Michael Street, you've got it in the evening at 3 o'clock, you have something, the sun goes down typically, what, for 35 o'clock? Is that going to change any in the next hour and a half? Um, so we've got, this is south facing. It's going to move, you know, a little bit more in the direction. Right, right. So it's moving away from Michael Street, right? Okay, sounds good. I guess the last question. Can I? No, no. Ms. McCartney, you should mute yourself and you've not been recognized. He was my question. He was my question. Can I just say that as someone who lives on 35, Michael Street? I'm sorry. It's time to stop. It's time to stop. You should wait your turn. Okay. The final question that I wanted to have from Mr. Munoz, to Calvary has to do with the sound from the utility box, which I think is related to a question that was raised by the health department. So, uh, I wonder if you could address that. Um, so I'm, I'm assuming by the rooftop, the HVAC equipment up there is what's being referred to. And there are certainly, um, you know, building codes and regulations to, um, To provide. Guidance. Um, such that you're limiting what the abutting neighborhood is impacted in terms of additional noise. So, you know, as we further, as the project moves further along, and specific units are specified, um, as the building systems are being, um, you know, designed, um, we take those sound studies and, and, you know, sort of pair it up with what's being required. Um, and if it exceeds what, you know, what the requirements are, then there's mitigating measures to reduce the sound impact. Hey, thank you. Uh, the next question, the next speaker on our list is beneath chaplain. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Um, when each chaplain 35 Michael street, um, I had a couple of questions. Uh, one is, um, I, I wasn't completely clear with the brick pattern on the front of the building, but I had a concern that it, with the bricks that stick out, is there any chance that people would try to climb them to get up to the roof deck? Uh, the brick pattern happens on the underside of the entry to the building. So there's no climbing opportunity. One, you know, it's just that this limited portion here. So that's tapped with the socket. And then, you know, at the, we just have, you know, just the brick peers and the panel system here. Um, Okay. Great. Thank you for that. Um, uh, another question is, will there be, uh, like flood lighting on the roof or on the sides that may impact the people living around at night. With light pollution. We'd be selecting light fixtures that are careful about the throw they have so that, you know, specifically addressing concerns about life pollution. Okay. Um, and my last, uh, comment is just to reiterate, you know, it's been mentioned before, which is that a five-story building here feels like it's going to dwarf everything else in the neighborhood and, uh, be problematic for those of us with solar panels, even though I understand you're suggesting there's not going to be a huge amount of loss that looks like for at least a few hours. Um, some people with solar panels may lose our. I'm generating time. So just want to note that. Thank you. Hey, thank you, Mr. Chairman. Oops. Mr. Moore was next. Steve, Mr. Mark. Yes. Thank you, Mr. Chair. Steve Moore, Piedmont street. Um, I want to applaud the applicant for what looks to me to be a pretty well thought through landscaping plan, which of course is always my particular interest is the trees and the landscaping. Um, uh, it sounds pretty complete. And the idea of large shade trees on the street side, I think is particularly important. So that's, uh, I was good to see a question that I have. Is I assume that when this building is, uh, When the demo happens and the site starts to be prepared for building that they're going to pull up the sidewalk as well. Is that correct, Mr. Chair? The same. Was that true? Yeah. I think that there's, there's no sidewalk on site currently. So we'll be removing the. And that's in front of the building and then repairing the street once a new sidewalk goes in. Thank you. Yeah. Right. Right. Thank you. That's that. That's correct. Here's the subject. Um, my point for bringing it up is that there's an opportunity there to, uh, To amend whatever soil you found under underneath the asphalt and perhaps as an instructional soil. To allow the trees better chance for survival. Um, it is going to be a, assume a relatively. Harsh environment for trees with, with the trucks, with an out in the traffic and, uh, and the salt and all that such. So, um, so that might be helpful to, to provide some structural soil of some sort. Yeah, definitely. I know that's something that we always discuss with Kate and her team when we're, you know, at the planning stage, it is, um, It tends to be fairly costly. So it's something that we have to balance with everything else that we're trying to accommodate with the publicly funded project, but it's definitely something that we'll keep in mind in the design process. Right. Right. That that's helpful just because the survivability is, uh, survivability is important. And I assume they'll be part of your plan will include, um, some sort of, uh, survivability plan, how long you expect them to survive replacement in a certain number of years, those sorts of things. That's, that's probably down the road, uh, a little bit. Um, Also, uh, lastly, in terms of irrigation, um, what sort of irrigation are you going to be providing to the, the trees that go around the back of the building inside of the building, as well as the, uh, street trees that are being planted both on the street and on the site. We haven't necessarily discussed this as a design team yet with client, but the, um, the objective, what we typically suggest is that we would do, um, we would do a drip irrigation system in the buffer areas around the outside, same thing with the roof deck. And then the actual street trees typically are not, since they're outside of the property line, usually are not connected to the private irrigation system. Usually that would be done with a tree gator bag that would then be filled. Um, and, you know, it's often done by the landscape contractor who's guaranteeing the plant material to make it through. So they would, um, take them through that first year of establishment and making sure those tree water bags are filled. So that's usually at the approach. And often we'll put two bags, you know, per tree on the, on the, on the trees that are on the street. So I wonder if between now and the next time when we, we come back and we talk about several or maybe the time after that, but probably you do want to, this issue is coming up several times and probably you do want to have some sort of a discussion, uh, to figure out what your approach actually is going to be towards the, um, Towards the irrigation. Uh, so we get a get more of a fix on, on what it is that the applicant is, uh, is prepared to do in, in this regard. Sure. Again, it always, it comes down to one of these cost, um, uh, analysis usually often later in the design processes. So does it make sense to hand water and temporary water versus irrigation system? But a week, we can certainly talk through that. I guess the point of the question that I think the ultimate issue is the survivability. Yeah. Of course.  So it would be helpful to have some more, some discussion of that when this next comes up. Um, Steve, Mr. Moore, do you have any other questions? Thank you, Mr. Chair. I certainly appreciate those, uh, those comments and yes, that would be helpful. Uh, Lastly, what. Only in response to what they said in terms of the street trees. Um, we are recommending more and more as these projects continuing throughout the town that irrigation is provided to the street trees since they're rebuilding the sidewalks and such. Um, they, there's an excellent opportunity to establish your engagement for those trees as well. So thank you, Mr. Mr. Moore, I wonder if that is a conversation that the applicant could usually usefully have with the tree warden? Yes, I think that's an excellent suggestion, Mr. Thank you. Uh, Miss Broder. I haven't actually been asking people to give their name and address. I've given the name, but the addresses you need to give. So Miss Broder. Hi, Leah Broder here, 44 Michael street. Um, thanks for the opportunity. Um, And I'm, I'm really, uh, quite pleased with, uh, the landscape design and development that's happened since the last series of meetings. I think the design looks very thoughtful. Um, particularly given the constraints of this massive building that's basically expanding from lot line to lot line. So my first question, um, is to the lawyer who, who explained that the building can be that 56 plus feet tall as a right. Um, what, what is the current zoning for the setbacks of that property? Miss. Okay. I'm sorry. Could she say that again? What is the, so the building can be as 56 feet two inches as of right. And as of right. What is the requirement for building setbacks? Uh, we were asking for a way of, or I think on the rear, uh, setback line. I don't have that in front of me. I don't have the whole file in front of me. Can answer that if you'd like it. So there. In the underlying zoning, there's zero foot setbacks on the front and side yards and the 20 foot setback in the rear. And we're requesting that's one item that we're requesting really from. Okay. Um, and so what your show, what is currently John is, is a what setback from the rear. Uh, I believe it's five and a half or six feet. Five and a half or six feet. So, so the building, you know, proportionally has expanded, um, to what would be zoned as a right in terms of the, the volume of the, of the structure. And I think that's something when we talk about the height, we're talking about the height of the building, the building expanding, um, you know, to all the way to the lot right on the front and the sides and five feet away, um, in the rear. And so the impact of that on the neighborhood, um, is, is severe. And so I am going to add my voice to those that have already spoken, um, out against having a building of this height that goes that far back on all sides. Um, because I do think it has a negative impact. And if we, and going back to the shadow studies for a moment, can we go to the, um, to the fall, spring, that a story. And then to the winter. Yeah. So. Public street streetscape, um, thinking about the darkness that's being cast on the street and on those walkable surfaces. Um, I think this is a, this is a real serious impact for the residents of this neighborhood. Um, the darkness that is going to fall on sunny side avenue. And you're seeing it. From all afternoon. Two of the seasons of the year. And then if we go to the winter. So in the winter or the same all afternoon. Um, sunny side isn't is in darkness. So. I'm just adding my voice. Um, there and I'm. I'm hopeful that there's some sort of consideration that can be made for those concerns, which, which are real and impact people's daily lives and the safety of walking and driving. Um, down the streets. So a couple of questions that I wanted to ask. One. Um, the, the transformer that is drawn in plan, but has never really been shown in elevation or any of the other areas of the city. Um, There's a lot of views. There's a transformer that's located on the corner of the property. Maybe you can show the site plan. So that can you just explain what the dimensions of what we can anticipate for that transformer. The transformer is still being coordinated and sized by the electric. Do you have a ballpark? Uh, they're typically like two by four. They're like two by four. They're like two by four. Yeah. Deep and how tall. I want to say about four feet. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Just as a, just as a scale reference. Um, so it, it looks to me like it's pretty close to the front. Um, lot line. And I would just ask if there's a way that that could be screened. It's, it's definitely not a pretty thing to see. And it's going, you know, It's a lot line on one side. Um, so I think in terms of the impact on the street and the visual experience of walking down the street, it would be, I would like to see that, um, transformer hidden. Um, a second question for you, Jeffrey is about drainage. So, um, if I'm reading the plans, right, it looks like there would be a lot of, a lot of questions out from the waters. From the stormwater drainage of the site. Is that correct? Uh, no, we do. Uh, can you go to the next slide? Slide please. Um, so if you're looking at where dry well one is in the bottom right hand corner by the transformer actually, um, there is an existing 10 inch line there where the overflow wise into that line. Um, I see down in the south in the kind of plan southeast. You see that little stub. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Um, okay. That was another question. And then, uh, We've been, you've held the floor for quite some time. Are you. Okay. Sorry. Yes. The last question is just about ADA access to the front entrance of the, um, building I saw in the rendering that there are steps along the entire front face of the building. Um, We have a way, we, we have an accessible entry that does not include the steps. Um, which. Um, would mean. Well, I'll bring up this plan, but, um, access that is at the level of the finished floor ground would be over towards the left side of the building. But the, the sunny side has grades down. Um, and so there will be some steps to accommodate the grading, but there is. Accessible access with no handrail. Just, you know, the, the requirements. So. So from that view right there where it says building above, that's the folks would like if they had a mobility device, they'd roll straight in. Right there. They have to roll and turn to enter either, either entry that they would prefer. It's, it's fully accessible. Once you're under the building, that's all one, one datum. Okay. I guess I just was reading. Okay. That's great. Thank you. Thank you. Mr. Hanlon. May I just briefly respond. Actually. I can't tell who's just focused that. It's attorney O'Connor. Yes. Okay. I just want to point out, um, I do not think that that assessment of the shadow study is accurate. And I want to point out that there was a lighting plan. They'll be perimeter lighting of the pedestrian. The walkway will have pedestrian activity. That end of sunny side up is a very dark. And if we've heard the residents talk about it being scary even. This will bring life to it as well. The other thing is I want to point out is that this applicant is in based on my experience in doing these, asking for very limited waivers. Um, and we're not seeking a waiver on if they are or on, on height. So I just want to point those things out. Thank you. Great. Thank you. Um, the next speaker is, uh, Ms. McCartney. Very McCartney. Yes. Uh, thank you. And sorry for the, uh, sound mishap earlier. Um, okay. So I, uh, I am a butter and a butter on, on Michael street. And I am, I wanted to talk again about the, uh, Could you give your address, please? Oh yeah. 35 Michael street. Thank you. Okay. So if you could bring up the light study again, please. So the. So the, on Michael street, there's, well, there's the house on the corner, the, the, the next two houses. Um, both have solar panels. And, um, I can see where the, you know, the summer doesn't seem to be the problem in the summer, but it does look to me like if you can go to the equinox. Uh, Well, it's the winter. I mean, it looks to me like it's very possible that, um, Certainly between noon and three. That there might be some blockage on the, on Michael street for those two houses that have solar panels. And I, I, I'd like a little more detail. I'm wondering if that, Because that does affect to a butters who've had, we've had solar panels for 10 years, over 10 years. Um, I'd like to have some assurance that it's not going to affect our solar panels. Is that something that could be done. For 35 and also, um, the house next to us. Um, Zane, could you take a, take a, uh, Take a look at that for next time. Yeah. You're asking if we can show shadows at two o'clock, one o'clock. Right. The idea basically is you've got those two houses that are next to the one that's in shape. Yeah. And the one that's in shade may very well. I mean, there's other things that are also costing the shade. But the question really is, if you look at some time, that's in the vicinity of three o'clock, whether or not. A little bit later, it's going to be rotating further to the east. And the question, I guess, really is whether a little bit earlier, it will be, it's more likely to be catching the houses with solar that are adjacent to the one that's affected now. Yes. We can do that. I did want to note that, you know, at the winter solstice, you'll be receiving at least in terms of your solar intake for PVs, especially in the, you know, in the afternoon. But certainly we will, we'll show those. Okay. Thanks. We should at least know. Yeah. Thank you. I appreciate that. Thank you very much. This is more of a procedural question because a lot of us asks questions about, like, traffic and routing traffic last, last, in the last meeting. And I, I guess I was thinking that there might be some conversation about that tonight. Is, is the perception that you've addressed all the traffic concerns or. Cause I, I guess I was expecting to hear something about that. Tonight we're not. Tonight the agenda is, we're not going to be talking about that. We're not going to be talking about that. Cause I guess I was expecting to hear something about that. Tonight we're not. Tonight the agenda is what, what we said we have. Excuse me on July 11th, we will be having our. Excuse me. The boards. We'll be retaining a peer group. A peer consultant. Who will be between now and then be preparing a report, which will, among other things, we'll be preparing a report. And I would imagine that those were that. But it's, so it said last time. And the experts report will be part of the agenda. On July 11th. Okay. Great. Thanks. I appreciate that information. And I just do want to weigh in again and with some of the previous speakers and just say that I, I really do think this is. I think that's a good point. I think that's a good point. I think that's a good point. But as much as I appreciate the need for affordable housing, I just think this is just plain too big. Okay. Thank, thank you for listening. I'm all set. Next on my list. Thanks. Is Neil. Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Neil Monroe. 12 Brattle Place. In Arlington. And I am a. Board member of the housing. I just wanted to say a couple of words and have a couple of questions. I wanted to applaud the architects and the. Landscape architect for the treatment of the, the raised. Deck garden area. I think. It really creates kind of what I would call a green oasis on the otherwise narrow and kind of bleak. Sunny side at that end of the street. And so I think. I really think that it's a, it will be a great amenity. And I think also in thinking about the shadow studies and so on. The way that the building sets back with that kind of L shape. I think it's important to think not only in terms of shadows, but also kind of turning it around the other way. And looking up, it's the view of the sky, which is kind of a different way of thinking about the light that gets down into the street area there. And I think it's important to think about that. And I think it's important to think about the fact that the building pulls back like that really offers. A view of the sky and the ambient light will filter down. In a nice way onto. Onto sunny side. I did have a question about. There was a, there was a lot of talk about. The irrigation. Both on the roof deck and the plantings behind the building. And I think it's important to think about that. And I think that there can talk about this that. On the one hand, we have. Stormwater infiltration. Underneath the building. I wonder if there's possibility at some of that stormwater. Could be stored in a cistern and reused for. Irrigation purposes or possibly. In addition to that, I think it's important to think about that. And I think it's important to think about the, the deck level and that might be able to be used so that we wouldn't have to be. Paying for municipal water to. Irrigate. And then my last question is. There was talk at the last meeting also about. A drop off pickup area. In front of the building. And. I just wanted to hear if. There's been some thought about the placement of the street trees. I think that's a good question. Thank you. Thank you. So I wonder, I guess. Probably Miss. Again, is the one to address some of these. Were on the, on the irrigation one. Just kind of. Sure. I think again, I think we should. Probably continue the conversation on your irrigation at a good, but it's a great point about the. The, the, the, the, the trees. The trees were definitely considered to have. The flow of pedestrian access and now it's the placement. To have kind of a good flow there. And I don't know for sure. If you want to bring up the site plan again quickly, but. The idea there is that is we do kind of keep clear. Of the pedestrian. Doorways and things to keep the. Direct access into the, into the building doors for when there are drop offs along the street. Mr. In regards to the drop off here. Yes. You are. My response. Thank you. Great. Thank you very much. Okay. The next, the next person on the list is. Ms. Is a Karina. The endo. Hi. I'm a resident in 39 Michael street. So I just want to. My concern. About the shadow. So I'm. Also, I'm, I'm, I'm the neighbor of Mary. So. I second the request for to. Get more details in the study. It's also going to affect the. Housing the corner. Sunny side with. Michael. They don't, she doesn't. Have any panel, but it's still, I think. Caroline is going to be very affected. And also will. Also. Add that. Again, we are not against. The affordable. Housing, but. We are really concerned for the size of this building. Thank you. So there's nobody else that is signed up for a first time around. If Ms. Broder, if you want to. Did you had to hand up a moment ago? Do you want to go again? Or do you. Was that just left up from before. But nine neglect. My apologies. Okay. Thank you. All right. Was it going once going twice? I don't see anyone else with a hand up. So let me just close the public comment for this hearing now. Thank for. Thank you for all of you who have contributed. To the hearing. We'll take a few more minutes to allow members of the board. Any. Follow-up questions that they might have. In light of what we've just said. Is there anybody who has any questions. Or comments. Mr. Klein. Just in regards to the. So there have been several questions about the impact on the solar. At 35 and 39 Michael street. I know that the applicant is going to be taking a look again at the solar studies. I think it might be helpful to, if there's a way to sort of have a. You know, quantitative. Approach to it too, to sort of say, you know, it will. That area will be in shadow. You know, X percentage of the time that it normally would. You know, be open. Just we have a way of understanding sort of the. The overall impact. As it goes forward. So if we could do that, that would be helpful. Yeah. Thank you. It's an excellent suggestion. Yeah. I have one question that I'd like to. The question of height has come up over and over again. And at this point. It's come up solely as. Is a matter of how. What the. What, what sort of massing. A building of the size and shape. Would have. And I wonder if the applicant could spend a few minutes saying, suppose. You were supposed, we insisted that we wouldn't approve a five story building. And we would only approve a four story building. And I think some of the neighbors have asked for even shorter than that. What would. You and we in the town. Lose. If you lost that story. Well, it would be the consequences. Eric can also speak to this, but it would not. This project would not be. Reasonable to go forward with. You know, the state has looked at this. DHCD has approved this. This is an appropriate use of the site. It's well within most of the zoning requirements. On the site. And Erica could speak further to it. It would not be feasible. For the housing corporation of Allenton. And you would lose a very viable. Project. And I would suggest one other thing. What the town would lose. The board of select men made it very clear that they view this project. As something that's going to revitalize. This area. They're looking to revitalize this area of Broadway. And this is one of the steps towards it. This is an ideal location for affordable housing. Given the shopping. Giving the MBTA access. And I think it would be something that the town would. Would sorely lose out on. Erica, do you want to add to that? No, I think it would be a good idea. We would risk making this financially infeasible. So it would. When we looked at the site, we considered, you know, what looked possible with the existing zoning, even if we didn't use the 40 B tool. And so from, from day one. Oh, you know, we could do a building of this height, even if we didn't pursue it under 40 B. And that was part of the calculus of if we felt that this site was feasible at all to do. To do this project. So would it be fair to say that. That. If. If you didn't have the fifth story, you wouldn't have the building at all. I don't know. I'm looking at, I'm looking on my screen at our real estate consultant. Gabby Geller. And I, yeah, I, um, it's, it's a tight budget now. So I'm not sure how we're going to do that. I don't know how many units are on each floor, but if we had to remove that number of units and their related subsidy that we get. I'm not sure if it would work. Yeah, this is, I can. It's very different. It's very different. Let me just say this. This is not your typical developer doing 15. You affordable units at 80% of the median. This is a not for profit. Doing all of the units. It's at 60%. Isn't it Erica? That's the maximum summer. Yeah. Summer below that. So it's a very, very tight budget. Sorry, Gabby. Oh, that's okay. So Gabby Geller. I'm the development consultant. Also an East Arlington resident. The sales. This property was quite high.  And in order to really make that. The project feasible. And even to start to think that we could afford to purchase this property. It was very important to get at least a certain number of units. And we don't have those number of units with that. The current configuration. UTL worked really hard to try to take what we need to do. And that's what we're trying to do. And that's what we're trying to do. And that's what we're trying to do. And that's what we're trying to do. The current configuration. Utile worked really hard to try to take what we needed to do. And make that as sort of as livable. And as, as fitting into the neighborhood fabric as possible. I think they've done a great, great job. We definitely understand in here that people think it's too large. But it really. It's not a budget to be able to accommodate. Apply as Mary said, this is not a for profit. This is to build a building that can accommodate people of very low to low incomes. And to make the project functional. So it can keep up with its maintenance obligations and continue to be a good neighbor. Thank you very much. Um, as we're listening to the height of the building being a problem is just more a question for the architect with the 10 foot six. Floor to floor height is there something to give away to reduce the height and just reduce the massing to the best. We could, you know, best of what we could do with what we have. Mr. I can answer that. I mean, we'll certainly look, you know, through the design process to limit the overall height of the building as much as possible. I think what we've planned on so far is sort of very standard practice in terms of what's needed to build a building like this, which will have a steel structure on the ground floor to span over the building, which has a certain amount of depth and then, you know, open web wood trusses for some of the larger spans up above, which have to accommodate mechanical distribution and plumbing and everything else for the unit. So we're really not proposing anything extravagant here. It's really to get, you know, dignified, you know, living spaces for the tenants and to, you know, provide the infrastructure for the building. There's really nothing, nothing in excess here to give away. If we can scrape off an extra six inches will certainly do that. The structure above the level two would that be a wood structure is it. That's that would all be a light framed wood structure. Yes. And there the ceiling height is what would be the ceiling height with the 10 six as a floor to floor in the units that usually ends up being about eight and a half feet. Okay. Plus or minus. Okay. Mr. parents could you. Thank you. This is right next to a fairly large building on the corner of sunny side. How much taller is this building than the, and it's neighbor on Broadway. Are you referring to the one at the corner of Broadway and sunny side. Yes. I don't know exactly off the top of my head but we could try to evaluate that. I'm not sure that we know exactly how tall that building is. And on the order of 15 feet, I would guess off the top of my head, but we can look at that more closely. Are there any other questions from the board. Okay, seeing none. We'll close the session. The session of the hearing. Thank you all for your participation. And I appreciate everyone's patience. And I appreciate everyone's assistance in preparing for and hosting the online meeting, including, and especially Vincent Lee, who has ably stepped in to retake his overall with Miss Ralston on vacation. Please everyone note that the purpose of the board's recording is to ensure creation of an accurate record of the proceedings. I'm understanding that the recording made by ACMI will be available on demand at ACMI TV within the coming days. If anyone has any comments or recommendations, please send them via email to CBA at town dot Arlington dot m a dot us. That email address is also listed on the ZBA website. So it's a special time for a hearing year in which we'll be dealing through the civil and transportation aspects of the of the peer consultant report is July 11. And the chair would entertain a motion to continue this hearing to a date certain of July 11th at 730pm. Mr. Hanlon. Mr. Klein. I move that the zoning board of appeals continue the hearing on 10 sunny side Avenue to date certain July 11 2023 at 730pm. Second, a second. I have to have to go through and I've lost my little card so I'm going to forget somebody again. So we'll take a roll call vote Mr. DuPont. Hi, Miss Hoffman. Hi. Mr. Klein. Hi. Mr. LeBlanc. Hi. Mr. Riccardelli. Hi. And the chair votes I so this hearing is continued just as an announcement to all of you. I'm expecting that the excuse me. We have another hearing, a regular hearing between now and July 11. It has, I'm not mistaken, four cases on it now. And that will be on June 27. So that will be the next time when we get together to enjoy each other's company. And everybody here is quite welcome to attend if they are so inclined. And I think then after July 11, we will have to be considering how to move forward, given the summer. On this case with an effort to get through it and to, and to not get that close to the 180 days that we have statutorily. So if is there any other announcements or anything else before I entertain a motion to adjourn. Thank you very much. Thank you, Mr. Connor. Thank you everybody who participated and for the enlightening discussion. The chair with this point of issue will entertain a motion to adjourn. Mr. Chair. So move. Is there a second second seconded by. Sorry, I'm losing seconded by Roger wherever you are. Yes, it was. Mr. We'll go through the list again. Mr. Softman. It's Holy. I. Mr Klein. Aye. Mr. LeBlanc. Mr. Rigidelli. Aye. And the chair will go along with the majority. Aye. And we are adjourned. Thank you for it. Thank you. Thank you.