the beginning. Hi, I'm Nancy. This talk is going to be about web accessibility. Why you should care even if you don't necessarily care about web accessibility. So, all right. So this is me. Just a really quick slide info about me. I live here in Atlanta. I actually live just like a mile and a half away from here. And I have two dogs. I really like photography and videography. That's what I'm really into. I have a production company called misfit ideas. That's the logo. So I have to show it off. And I'm also starting on Monday morning with automatic, which is the builder of WordPress.com. Super excited and kind of terrified. But we'll see how it goes. And I'm going to be working with Jetpack. So if you guys have Jetpack questions starting Monday, totally feel free to say hi. Until then, don't know. All right. So the power of the web in its universality, accessed by everyone regardless of disability is an essential aspect. So Tim Berners-Lee is the guy that created the world wide web. He's a little important. And he talks about accessibility even when he's talking about the world wide web in general, right? So the reason that accessibility can be and is important. Intuitive navigation. That's something that everyone should be striving for for their websites, right? If someone comes to your site, they should be able to figure out fairly easily how to get around your site. If they can't figure that out, they're not going to stay for very long. The next part. Poorly labeled links and images. If you're just using, for example, a lot of people use click here as their link. While it's great to point out that yes, one should click here to access the link, it's a lot better if you guys use the link language. Like if you're going to link to a picture of a dog, say click on or here's this amazing picture of my dog, right? Does that make sense? And then the final thing is user friendly design aesthetics. Make sure that it's usable. That it's not just so much JavaScript everywhere that people are like, oh my God, what do I click on first? Where do I go? And if you just follow these really basic guidelines, then people are going to be more willing to actually interact with your content. Stay on your site. Go on your site. Give you higher click rates, you know? This is all good things. So in terms of accessibility, there's 20 million blind adults in the U.S., right? That's a fairly large number. 10% of them use screen readers. Screen readers are, depending on the type of technology you're using, even Microsoft and Firefox and Mozilla, Chrome also provide different screen readers. So when you're on a site and if you are hard of seeing, they can read the site out to you. The reason that all of the other things that I mentioned before are important is if it's all gobbly gook everywhere, the screen reader is just going to read what it sees, right? So if you have just a bunch of images everywhere and there isn't any sort of rhyme to your reason, it's just going to read it, and people are going to be very confused by what is going on in the site. So, yeah. All right. So why care about web accessibility in the first place? 20 million is still out of a 300 million person population. 20 million isn't that large of a number. But actually, government contracts, governments that are looking to build sites, they're becoming a lot more aware about user accessibility and are wanting their sites that are built for them to conform to these standards. Also, a lot more companies are becoming aware that user accessibility is actually kind of important. Even if it's not for screen readers, it's for just making your site more pleasing to access, right? You guys are all giving me blank stares, so I'm a little terrified that I'm not making sense. Good? Good so far? Okay. All right. So what makes a website accessible and how can you know if yours is accessible? There's a couple of different things that you guys should be aware of. Types of content, size and complexity of your site, development tools and the environment that your site is being built. So these are the main types of disabilities that are generally considered the main types of disabilities. Auditory, cognitive, physical and visual. So there's the really common ones like color blindness. Color blindness is, a lot of people don't think about it very much, but it's actually really prevalent. People like, even if it's, so this goes into color theory, but having colors that are too close in terms, in just, if you're looking at like black and white, right? Like if you print out something and it was in color, but now you're looking at it in black and white and sometimes everything sort of just merges together because the colors are too similar, too close to one another, that's something to keep in mind. Because if you have, if you're using red, for example, to say look at this awesome sale that I'm having on my site and you have it in red, if you're not using anything else to notify the user or the viewer that there is something that you should be paying attention to if they're colorblind, red is a very common form of color blindness, especially for men. So if they don't see it and any other shape other than, oh, it's red font, they're not going to notice that, oh, this is important, I should pay attention to it. Does that make sense? Yeah? Okay. And then obviously with other, all the others auditory hearing, if you have videos using transcripts, providing the transcript for all the, all the different auditory stuff that you're using. For physical, I mean that's not really necessarily something that you would have control over, but making sure that something isn't just dependent on your mouse, right? Like if you're, if you move your mouse somewhere, then that's the only way that they can interact with the site, that component of the site. And then visual colorblindness is the most common, but just screen readers keeping in mind that these are different things that people are using. Alright, so these are the different types of most common assistive technologies that people use when they are disabled in any way. Braille display, screen readers, text-to-speech, voice browsers, voice recognition and keyboard navigation. These are just, I'm just throwing them out there so you guys know that these are at least some examples of what people are using and just to be mindful of that. Alright, so screen readers, those are pretty common. These are the most common ones that I've come across. There's obviously lots more. Oh, and by the way I will be putting up the slideshow on slideshare.net, so if you guys don't want to be taking notes frantically, you don't have to. So yeah, so these are just a few. Just check them out whenever you have like a minute. You don't need to like know everything about them, but just sort of understand how they're using the technology that they have to provide web access to people. And these are different ways that people with disabilities are interacting with websites. So with content formats, presentation, user interaction, design solutions, so like I'd mentioned, especially for videos, videos are becoming more and more important on the web. People are using a lot more video and a lot more images just in general rather than just using text. So whenever you're using an image, use alt tags. People always know about alt tags. Yes, it's annoying to do, but it's surprisingly important because, well, you'll see in a second, but alt tags, just remember. And then transcripts for videos and just making sure that the content is easy to see. Regardless of what it is, don't use really busy backgrounds. Make sure that everything is actually accessible and legible. Legible is the most important whenever anyone's visiting your site. And that's just good design that doesn't even have to come into web accessibility territory. Just good design is making sure that it's legible and people are not going to be frustrated when they come to visit your site. All right. So how do you know that your site is actually accessible? Like, all right, I've listened to you talk about all these thousand different things that I now have to go do. So how do I make sure that I'm actually doing them? These are a few tools. When the slide goes up, these are all linked to their respective websites for their tools. But these are different ways that you can at least quantitatively measure your site and see where it is. Please be in mind, that's why there's all these asterisks, that nothing will take take the place of common sense. So like red and green or, you know, like color and like very, very basic things. It won't make take the place of common sense. All right. So when you do this, why would you do it? And when you do it, what happens? So this is kind of, I mean, at the cycle when different website companies, builders provide tools that allow for accessibility, developers are going to use those tools because they're now available. When developers start using those tools, people start realizing, oh, wait, these are tools that I can use and start using them. And then they also now demand that their developers use the tools, right, provide them, build them into your website, which makes sure that all the websites provide, or website builders provide the tools in the first place, right? And a nice little cycle that goes on domino effect style. And this is a little bit more complicated version of the cycle. Just basically what I just said, but it also includes all the different types of technologies and how exactly the user to developer to website builder is all connected. Yes, maybe. And please feel free to ask any questions if I'm going through something too quickly, or you just don't get something. All right. So again, these are the benefits for other people, right? Like, all right, I have to build a site and I really don't, I just want people to come to my site. Why should I care about all this other stuff? So digital divide issues. The level of access for the internet across the world, while it is preferable that everyone has equal access, the level of internet access even to different people is not the same, right? If you go to India, you're not going to have the same great access to the internet everywhere as you would in Atlanta, Georgia. So making sure that your site isn't so content heavy, or so it's not requiring so much access to the internet that without it, you can't use your site, right? So mobile access is a similar thing for right now, it's about 55% of the world accesses websites through their mobile devices, their phones or tablets. So if you don't keep in mind that that is a very valid form of contact to people, and just saying, Oh, well, I'm just gonna, we're just gonna look at it on my computer. And that's gonna be great because my site's beautiful on the computer. But if you have a bunch of hover effects, that's not going to translate to, to mobile stuff, right? Because you can't really hover with your finger, at least not yet. Things like that. Older users needs old people like of all generations are using the web. So keeping in mind that making something really complicated and fancy and schmancy, right, really snazzy and cool. If it's too complicated for different different levels of users to use, then they're not going to use it. They're just going to completely blow it off and leave your site. Low literacy fluency, similar idea. Just, I mean, unless you're a PhD student writing about your your thesis, that that requires a very high level of vocabulary, right? But if you're not, if you're just doing a portfolio site, you don't need to make it that complicated. Low bandwidth connections, older technology goes back to the digital divide, right? So if you have lower bandwidth, if you have not that new of a computer that can handle all these really awesome new graphics, new infrequent users, if again, I'm just kind of beating a dead horse at this point. But if it's complicated, people aren't people are much more likely to leave it than to learn it. So what's in it for me? I'm doing all this stuff. So it's a it's a social issue. So the more actively you participate in society, the more likely you have, you know, you're going to participate in the society because you have access, right? Without that access, you're going to be you're not going to, you're not going to go to that site because you can't access it, you can't, you don't know how to use it, right? So if you're not, if you're not taking advantage of all the different types of populations to come to your site, you're, you're missing out. I mean, that's kind of a pretty big thing. If it's a portfolio site, and you're just using it to apply to colleges, then yeah, you're building it for a specific audience. But if you're trying to do something that is widespread, you want all these different types of people to access it, then you have to provide something that they can access. Makes sound so far? Yeah, okay. All right.  So why does it matter if no one can see your site in the first place, right? So this is the big reveal. We're, you remember the first slide, right, about intuitive navigation, all these different things coming together. They mean they make sure that people will actually be in, in tune and engage with their site. So the great thing about web accessibility is that it's completely tied to SEO, which means if you use good web accessibility standards, the chances that your site is going to have much better SEO and be ranked much higher, your chances are like way higher, which is great. So even if you don't really care about web accessibility, you can still care about whether where your site ranking is, right? So if nothing else, if you don't care about anything else, you can at least care about where your site is on Google. So all tags, I'd mentioned them earlier. What we see is this great, awesome picture of grapes, right? A screen reader sees that code. So if you're just using grapes.jpg, that's fine, that's at least people know what grapes are. A lot of people will use like IMG underscore 65798. That's a great name for every, for only you, right? For no one else. So that's one thing that I really highly recommend.  I'm a photographer. I have a thousand pictures on my site. It sucks to put them in. But it's so, so important. Even if it's not for screen readers, it's just important for how websites are indexed by Google.  They're providing all this great content. Obviously, grapes is a very minor example, but same idea. So ultimately for SEO, one thing to just, I killed the mic. I'm sorry. My bad. Sorry, guys. I think maybe, maybe we'll see. All right. Sorry about that. Labs and I, we're not friends. All right. So as I was saying, in terms of SEO, the number one, number one, number one, number one, so number one thing is content. It doesn't matter how well you have, how good your alt tags are, if your content isn't good. If you're not putting in relevant content, it doesn't matter how good your transcripts on your videos are, your alt tags, the fact that you did really good color balancing. None of that matters before content. But once you have your content, here is a really long list of stuff that you can do. I won't go through all of it because I don't want your eyes to glaze over, but if you guys want to review it, once the slides, the slideshow is put up, I highly recommend going through it. Most of it is common sense, but for example, I mentioned the click here link thing, avoiding mouse-dependent interaction. Several of these things I've mentioned throughout the talk, but just as a heads up, these are things that would, that are a, good for web accessibility, which is, I think is very important, but b, even if you don't care, it's really good for your SEO. Yeah? Okay. All right. So that's, and this is the, wow, you can't see that. Okay. I will fix the link issue, but allegedly, there are links right there. These are some really great resources that I, if I gave, like, even a course, a semester long course on web accessibility, we still probably wouldn't be able to get through everything. These are some really great resources that talk about it. They have blog articles. They have just bullet list of, these are things that you should do, think about and enable, hopefully. So, yeah, they exist. They'll be on the slideshow. Don't worry about writing that down or really even bothering to take a picture, because that's just bad. But that's basically it. I kind of wanted this to be more of a discussion rather than just me talking at you guys. So, if you guys have questions, if you guys want to talk, if other people know something that I don't know, because I don't know everything, if anyone wants to just be like, you're wrong about this thing, then please tell me, because I want to know, because I don't know everything. So, yeah. So, he had asked about PDFs and opening them in new tabs.  That's, that's not a bad thing. I honestly don't remember to be perfectly honest on that one. So, in the case of, like, screen readers, especially, it's better to have it not open into a new window for accessibility reasons. In the case of click-through rates, a lot of people use, that's kind of where the different flies, right? Yeah, for bounce rates, because you are opening in the same tab and then they'll go away. That's a, that kind of comes into, like, a best, like, your judgment kind of question, because you kind of have to ultimately decide which one's more important at that point. You can use a link that says, you know, this is a PDF, here's a PDF about blah, a subject. So, you are at least telling them that they're going to this new thing. But at the same time, I personally use PDFs that open in new tabs, because of bounce rates, and also just to make it a bit clearer, because a lot, that's generally just best practice. But that's me. If other people recommend otherwise, please say out, shout out, and say it. But yeah. Yeah. So, are you recommending that to make a site accessible, and don't use red, and don't pay to click here, are you saying that do this on your main site, and don't have any link to a more accessible version of, say, a certain page? I mean, what are you advocating for, to put the accessibility things in mainstream? What are putting them off onto the side, so that people can actually access things, and both audiences can have a nice website, one that they can access, and one that they can actually interact with, if they are interacting with people. Because, I mean, obviously, there can be audiences for many sites that are remixed. So, what's your advocate? So, what's your stance? Do you think that putting it off on the side, take care for a reader-friendly page, is discrimination, or what do you think? I'm not even going into discrimination territory. If you look at web standards, just the W3 standards, they say that internet access and accessibility is, should be for everyone. The UN also came out, I believe it was last year, it might have been two years ago. They said that internet access for everyone is a basic human right. So, in the sense of like, if you're creating a site, I would highly recommend that you implement the accessibility standards. But, I wouldn't... Sure, so, I would not recommend having two different sites. So, a lot of them, if you read through them, are actually not any sort of invasive steps. I would highly recommend that if you are going to implement these steps, to implement them for your whole site, because it doesn't make sense that somebody can go to one page and can access the site and it's great and awesome and then the rest of the site they can't see or hear or interact with. Sure, so you don't have to do, I mean, you don't have to do any of it or even like, you can do half of it, say, right, or even one or two of them. I'm not advocating, you know, go home and change your entire site because it's not accessible, but I'm more saying, hey, keep these things in mind because you can, you can always improve your site. You can always improve the content, the way it's viewed, and just even ranking on your website for Google.  So the question is, is WordPress doing these changes automatically, making sure that your site is going to look right, whether it's in Mozilla or in Opera or Chrome or anything like that, right? Yeah. So it depends. It depends on your, so WordPress.org theme builders, they, it's a free-for-all, so they're able to build their site however they want to build it. The good theme developers make sure that their site looks the same across all the different browsers and the ones that don't, don't. It, it, it, it again depends, it depends on the theme builder because every, there's not, there's not a set standard that says that you have to include XYZ pieces of information when you are selling your theme, right, saying that this is a WordPress.org enabled theme. So some of them will say, yeah, this is, this is completely compliant with all the different browsers and you don't have to worry. Some people won't. So it doesn't say. To check. It doesn't say it's friendly. You need to check it. Yeah. I, I would recommend that, yeah. It, again, it depends on the, on the different theme developers. There's some really great theme developers that have stores and they, they've kind of been in it for a while so they understand and know what to be on the lookout for. And other theme developers that are just selling one or two themes on like theme boards and they may not know that even, to know that that's an important thing to be on the lookout for. There's a couple of different ways that you can check. I'm blanking on the name of the company. Of course I would write this moment. There's a, there's different, yeah, there's different, there's different websites that allow you to check. Let me see this, this site on Mozilla and Opera and Chrome and Firefox. Yeah, browser stacks a great one. That's the one that I was trying to think of. Thank you. We've, we've used that multiple times. I used to build websites for people so I used to do this but I haven't, I don't anymore. But yeah browser stack is a great one. They, they also provide ways to, for you to just look at how your, your site looks on mobile or on a phone versus a tablet versus anything. So you can see, oh okay well this looks great on my computer screen but doesn't work so hot on my phone. Things like that. Yeah, sure. Yeah, okay so the question was about JavaScript and accessibility. So in the sense of, of JavaScript it provides all these different extra things that you can do, right? JavaScript's great. I'm, I am in no way bashing on JavaScript. But because it's extra stuff that you might not necessarily need like for example, you can put in a Pinterest widget, right? With JavaScript putting in whatever your, whatever your widget you want it to look like. While it's great that now you have a Pinterest widget it's not necessarily easy to showcase that for, for screen readers or for phones that don't necessarily don't have JavaScript enabled. It's not to say that you should just avoid JavaScript entirely it's just to use it cautiously. Does that make sense? So like if, for Pinterest it makes sense to use it because it's a widget and most people are gonna interact with your Pinterest widget if that's what your, your site's about. But putting in all those really cool awesome motion graphic effects on your site because they look cool. I guess that's the main thing. Don't just put something in just because it looks cool. Make sure that it has a use for it because that's the biggest way to make that site not as easily accessible just in the sense of just navigatable. Does that help? If somebody's using a screen reader or something like that I mean it doesn't, it doesn't necessarily follow that they're also not using JavaScript, right? No, it just, it just makes it hard like in, in a screen reader all it'll say is that there's there's JavaScript here and it's something about Pinterest, right? So it doesn't actually like read out what's in that widget or if it's a motion graphic it'll just be this graphic happened but it doesn't actually it'll say that in the screen reader because it'll go, it basically what it reads out to you is if you look at your page source except for all of that code it won't read all of the code it'll at least take out all the h1s and stuff but it, for JavaScript it'll, it'll just read what the JavaScript is because it doesn't actually say anything it's just code that runs yeah.  Okay, someone just showed me Sensei S-E-N-S-E-I Okay. And, or you need to speak about that in relationship to WordPress? I have not ever used it. Have I used Sensei? I don't know. Wait, you're poor. Sensei, anyone have you Sensei? It's a plug-in? It's a, it's a themes plug-in for courses. Uh, not a poor? I'll tell you about it after. Okay, I will. Yeah. Can you give me some idea of what, I don't know, the avoiding mouse and the interaction? The biggest one is hover effects. So a lot of themes have some really great hover effects that if you hover over it it'll showcase another bit of information. Right? Like a, like a photo or something. If you hover over it'll say oh this person's hometown and they're Twitter and they're whatever. Things like that. Those are the most common at least. Forms and drop-downs? Yeah, do you work with them? No, so the forms and so drop-downs depending on the way that they're shown it kind of goes into that. So for example there's a lot of themes that are built that on the, on the computer they'll just be drop-downs but on your phone they'll show up as everything. Like you'll show, you'll show the entire thing or at least they'll expand if nothing else. In terms of hoverable for your computer you can't really avoid that. That's kind of best practice or common practice but that's also something that's built into the screen reader that with the menu you can read more in you can go into the child, child links. So the screen reader will read it? It'll, it'll just read it because I give up on this laugh, Mike. I'm sorry, guys. I don't even know what I'm doing but I will, I'll just stop moving. In terms of the, the screen reader when it reads the menu it'll read the whole menu it won't just read what's shown. So. I know you have to set those up so that those visual in here can, okay, what's the best way to go about that set up in a particular way or is a word doc okay? Or is a word doc also an open door for viruses? So the question was about document, documents on your site. I would highly recommend PDFs over word docs always, partially just for layout. What you see on your screen when you're looking at your word document is not necessarily what everyone sees when they look at that same word document on their screens. So just for layout sakes, if nothing else I would recommend PDFs but that's a different, it's a different, different story, sorry. So if you're going to do the official, I mean I know there's a whole way of talking about what I have to say not through anything important so that your screen reader can read the PDFs instead of you setting it up. So if you, if you're wanting to make it really simple what you can do is just make sure that everything is just one after the other rather than having two columns and like there's a little bit that's like in this one right hand widget sidebar area but then the rest is kind of like this and while it's a lot prettier to look at in terms of reading because what a screen reader does is just goes down the page unless you specify like in the code that okay this is part one this is part two this is part three otherwise it'll just go part one, part two, part three like it'll just go straight down the page. Yeah. Oh yeah. Well yeah. I mean but basically if we were to go maybe just to the first one they would have instructions look how to do that. They do yeah. So the first one the web aim has a lot of different they have blog posts that talk about different areas of accessibility they also provide different instructions how to's I believe they also have an online course I don't know if it costs anything but I believe they have one as well even just checking out W3 guidelines they're boring to read they're like it's very legalese type writing but it at least it states everything it spells everything out says this is this is what accessibility is this is how you can access it and gain it and do it on your site but yeah again I'll fix the link sorry about that guys Ability different from mobile versus web How is web accessibility? Just from the kind of what you were talking about like when you use a phone scenario it is still the same type of screen reader that's reading things So there's different there's different types of screen readers there's physical screen readers that you can use and then there's also just software screen readers like the one they're like like the ones that you use for chrome and for firebox and everything in terms of for your phone there's I had a friend in high school that was hard of seeing she was I believe she's legally blind but she could still kind of see stuff and she used different she used this device that like could read the computer out to her and you could read this was before smartphones were a really big thing could read whatever digital device out to her so I believe that a lot of people do use that in terms of phones and if you're hard of seeing and you are using screen readers it's not really more people are likely to use like a phablet or a tablet and at that point rather than deal with two different devices or at least that's been my experience when I've I've worked with it but in terms of like just web accessibility on your phone that's generally more it's not really reliant on screen readers because it's just such a small screen that people aren't likely to use it and it's not really to be perfectly honest it's not really like a market for that but does anyone else have any questions we're basically almost done but we still have maybe like five or ten minutes this one the complete list of web accessibility like I just want that is that a website for that uh there and there yeah if I can read it I would yes I will I I will just put that down sorry guys okay I will let me just do this and I can read out the site for you if you want www.w3.org forward slash wai forward slash er forward slash tools forward slash complete it's a w a here we are dot org sorry wai forward slash er it's a w3.org all right now it's white thank you guys for coming I will post them as soon as I have internet I will also tweet them out so if you I'll tweet the link out and so if you just follow or just look out for Nancy Thonkey I'll hashtag it WCATL sorry about the sound my bad


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who's next? We've got Daniel. Thanks. When did the handout stop? I mean right now you know I'm sure some people think when the vaccine is widely distributed it'll go away but at the same time we're kind of implementing universal basic income by monthly vote and some of those people are going to argue well we don't we don't really see the impact the negative impact on the economy by handing this money out and it's certainly popular with certain people so you know morally who's opposed to just keep doing it? Nobody's morally opposed to it nobody. I mean the Republicans might quibble about who gets it right I mean I saw Josh Hawley the other day on television and he was making a big deal about we need to get money into the hands of working people working people like 3,000 times he said working people so he doesn't want it to give it to non-working people so he doesn't want to increase unemployment benefits but he wants to give it to you know and it's so it's just a matter of who he wants to give it to but the money that's obvious that you have to give it they don't the Republicans don't want to give it to the states they'd rather give it to business right because the state states and localities you need the money are predominantly democratic and and they don't want to bail out the state governments that are being irresponsible but they're fine with bailing out businesses that are being irresponsible and you could go on and on so I don't know I think it'll stop because there's certain people not many but certain people both in the Biden administration and in Congress who do know that the deficit and debt is a problem so as much as I think Janet Yellen is not Yellen is not a great economist she is traditional enough and to know at some level the debt is not good so she will be a voice in administration saying whoa we just can't print up 10 trillion dollars tomorrow and do all these things I also think that what happens is that once you start doing this which we're seeing right now everybody's going to come with their hand up and the Democrats are going to have to prioritize and I think that you know that the priority is going to be rather than giving people checks the priority is going to be things like to try to raise the minimum wage to 15 bucks an hour which is the same but it's it's a different redistribution different mechanism and then big spending stuff will be things like green mini mini green you deal it won't be the full blown one but it'll be a mini version infrastructure which of course the Republican support and I'm surprised Trump never really pushed because he was very supportive of and healthcare those will be the things that they really push because that's what they promised but but we'll see you know if if the recession continues let's say because of all this money printing there's stagflation which is not out of the question at all um then that then there's a good chance that what they're going to do let people not have unemployment insurance I mean they've got into a habit of continuously they didn't know 809 so so it could continue so as long as there are emergencies they will write checks and then the rest of spending they'll spend kind of when there's regular times they'll just spend on regular so-called regular things but no the government now is globally really I don't know that there's any place on on earth where this is not the approach the government is now its job is to bail us out whenever there's a whenever there's a financial crisis it never used to be it used to be oh we need to bail out these people oh but we really hate bailing them out but we'll do it anyway and then if the financial crisis came and you remember Paulson asked Paulson asked for seven hundred billion dollars to do whatever you wanted with then Congress said no and he said okay we'll do top and but they didn't do top they did something else because trouble asset we put your quote never happened right they did they they they bought basically gave loans to the banks and and then they and then the Obama stimulus and now it's just accepted that as part of the government's role is to bail us out and that had been somewhat defeated you know at least in the 70s and 80s you can see government just writing checks it's this is this is great depression and now are the are the errors in which this is the attitude and it's uh it's only gonna get worse before it gets better and this and you're right not only is there's no model opposition I can understand there be not being a model opposition right it's no economic opposition nobody I mean Jonathan's on fox a lot I mean how often are fox they have an economist who says no no this is bad this is not good this is bad economics you yeah I'll quickly just say I mean the same commentators who all through the Obama years said this this was just a bubble that was due to pop as soon as President Trump came to power said oh this is due to President Trump's wonderful management of the economy and there was no more talk of any problem spending or deficit spending of the Fed or anything else no it's it's so there's nothing I mean I said this about the vaccines you know wasn't my idea was John Cochran but John Cochran makes the point in his piece why aren't the free market economists talking about this stuff and you could include now he's got a piece his second piece was on debt because I took that from John as well and he said nobody else other than John Cochran that I know of is making a big deal right now out of debt out of the fact that one day we'll have including the libertarian economists I just don't see them out there doing the work to get the word out there and it's very disheartening they've been completely silent and I think I think the reason is ethics they morality they can't just say you know the government shouldn't do anything can't do anything whatever they don't have the the moral courage to say that and that's been their opinion of Japan for a long time it's like well the Japanese government shouldn't do that but they kind of have to yes what option is there you know freedom freedom that's crazy what are you talking yeah yeah when is that worked yeah what we need today what I call the new intellectual would be any man or woman who is willing to think meaning any man or woman who knows that man's life must be guided by reason by the intellect not by feelings wishes women's or mystic revelations any man or woman who values his life and who does not want to give in to today's cult of 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Relief picture for the Cardinals, the Diego's is running in to the game. You can see these got a little shiny spot on his hat There the umpire saw it. Joe West the crew chief says, hey, can you take the hat off? He says my hat Why he says oh that spot? It's just the rosin over there and then the sunscreen on my arm and then when I touch both I touch my hat it leaves a mark and Joe says okay Yeah, but can you just take it off and put on a new one because we don't want anyone getting Mad at your for it and like well you're you seem like the only one being mad right now Shilth comes out and he's like about to give him his hat And then he yells at Joe s and Joe s says get out of here and Shilth's like now He's now the Shilth gets on his soapbox because this is such a big problem in baseball And he's saying don't do that to this kid. There's no reason to do that to him There's guys that are doing much worse.  He's mad and Joe West is kind of like dude.   They go and lock it in the umpire room as evidence. Did it affect? The rest of the inning for Geegos. No chuck out a bray you and then he strikes out your mean Nice pitch nicer pitch. Yeah, don't think it affected him there. That is nasty Now Joe West actually talked to the media and gave answers, which is good a lot of umpires don't do that They asked who initiated the investigation He said that second base umpire saw it and rather than it become a confrontation rather than allow Tony LaRusso whoever to yell they're like, let's just have him change hat that way. There's nothing bad going on That's basically the gist of what he says and then they say why was he not ejected and he said well We didn't want to put him in jeopardy.  I guess the bigger issue is that there's a bigger issue at hand And that's what Schilt was upset about. This is baseball's dirty little secret and it's the wrong time in the wrong arena To expose it so Schilt ain't wrong. This is the early stages of something very big That's gonna be a loud story and I guess this is the start of it We've been trying to cover it as best we can on our podcast talking baseball We've done a lot of conversations about it But the general public doesn't seem to care because for years and years and years Batters have told fans. It's okay if pitchers use some stuff to get a better grip We'd rather them have control over the ball than hit us and there's a difference between grip and spin And that's the big thing right now having grip on the ball having their hands like tack and feel good Batters don't really care. But what they're doing now is they're helping with spin They're literally gluing their fingertips to the ball so that their fingertips stay on as long as Possible to get that final spin. That's That's the new thing. That's what people are upset about. It's not grip. It's spin Did you have some sunscreen? Does he use rosin to help lap? Possibly are these things that baseball really wants to crack down on? No, it's not I know that completely firsthand from the commissioner's office sunscreen and rosin is absurdly sticky and you're telling me what I can't protect my body from these harmful UV rays Like yes, I'm gonna put sunscreen on my arm and I'm gonna put rosin where I'm at Trevor Bauer And he's been at the forefront of this for a while in 2018. He said yeah, I touch my arm It's sunscreen mixed with rosin. Someone asked him is that allowed? He said both are legal substances the combination of the two is technically illegal gray area for sure But he's admitting to it on Twitter in the act saying yeah, I do it and no one cares And I mean that's why you have these funny clips of Lance Lynn bathing himself in rosin Just rubbing it all over his body No one has cared about that for the longest time and no one will care about that as long as we go They care about the new shit these pictures are doing. There are people that are effectively and Not even trying to hide Essentially flipping the bird at the league with how they're cheating in this game with concocted substances if you have this substance that isn't Pine tar or sunscreen rosin or whatever it is and you're actively going to that so you can turn your 2500 slider into a 29 or 3000 slider for that one pitch That is cheating in that report They talk about having baseballs come out where there's like literally like strings of glue coming off the ball And that's not okay because that's cheating. So there you have a manager on record saying it's cheating You have two active pitchers saying it's cheating. We had an article come out J.T. Romudo a catcher in the league He basically said we got a crackdown on this stuff. It's not fair You see pitchers out there all game long doing this touching their mitt They're not doing anything about it if they crack down it would help He says he sees it all the time Josh Donaldson was treating with Dallas Braden. He said stop cheating So now you got another player saying that this is cheating Dallas Braden says we both know the difference between pine tar rosin and what the new stuff is Donaldson says I agree. I have an entire catalog of videos of these guys cheating. It's coming out So JD can't wait to see that we had a bunch of other people on record saying that when you watch these guys from the dugout You can almost hear the ball ripping out of their gloves because they're gluing their fingers to the glove Adam Deval Said it's pretty frustrating picking up a foul ball And seeing it covered in sticky stuff So you just got more and more players coming out on the record Stating their displeasure and calling it cheating But you know who was doing this two years ago and no one was listening to Trevor Bauer in 2014 He tweeted out asking for help. Hey anyone else that likes science How do I increase my spin rate on pitches? He already had figured out that spin rate is What makes a pitch effective? He just wanted to figure out how to increase it And then he went to the lab and he cracked the code in 2019 He said foreign substance has been shown to increase spin rate up to 500 rpm. That's revolutions per minute 2600 spin rate is is really good 3000 is like top crazy top tier. He said Bauer said the evidence is undeniable followed that up He said if only there was a quick way to increase spin rate like what if you could trade for a player knowing that you could bump His spin rate up a couple rpm overnight Imagine the steels. He said it's not fair I would just like to play the game on a fair playing field and it is far from that right now Easy solution is just legalized sticky sticky substances so everyone can complete fairly so way back Bauer was the one Advocating for making this illegal or legal or MLB just saying something about it And no one did anything Bauer even was given out the formulas He said pine tire firm grip Coca-Cola boiled melted together in a metal coke can maybe some rosin just to guess He even went on record and said that Brent Strom Taught him to use pelican batwax on his glove in the strings and in the Fingers to get a better grip on the ball back when he was 14 Brent Strom's the pitching coach for the Astros No one cared in 2018 Trevor Bauer tweeted that he knew for a fact his fastball could get 3000 rpm if he were using sticky stuff at the time he tweeted that he had zero MLB fastballs at 3000 rpm or higher. He had thrown 18,000 over seven seasons zero 3000 rpm or higher. He even tweeted out a great plan. He said that it's very clear that sticky stuff increases Spin rate and increased spin rate equals more effective pitches more effective pitches Equals greater chance for success and future compensation So Bauer was the first person to be screaming this saying it's unfair Realizing I Guess they don't care, but now everyone seems to care a lot because it's just gotten out of hand What MLB did before this season is they said they were gonna collect balls and look at stat cast data to try and crack down On the illegal foreign substances being used by pitchers and then they just made it about Bauer They said Bauer's investigated by MLB for using foreign substances on multiple balls Per the report the balls had visible markings and were sticky The one dude who was trying his hardest to tell you you got to take control of this or it's gonna become a problem They now name the main person which is all bullshit Because they actually went to each clubhouse and told the players we're collecting data, but don't worry We're not gonna do anything about it this year We just want to figure out what's being used and how much it's helping as MLB is just collecting baseballs to do a study Like they're not doing anything with them. No one's under investigation or no one's like Just these these gossip bloggers just out here writing stuff to try to Throw water on my name or whatever. I don't know this personal vendetta's I guess And the manager of the A's Bob Melvin backed that up He said this year they're looking at baseballs to kind of take stock on maybe doing something uniform Down the road as far as what substance could be used. That's what Bob Melvin said and Every pitcher that's doing this is being as obvious as obvious can be No one cares MLB has basically given them the free year saying they're not gonna get anyone in trouble The collective bargaining agreement is coming up next year My guess is MLB is doing a study seeing how much this works as they negotiate the CBA this off season Maybe they try to implement a new rule or a standard substance or something but seems the rest of this season pitchers have free reign and The more free reign they have the more we're gonna have batters other pitchers who aren't doing this and managers complain about it because Yeah pitchers are just using they're super gluing their fingers to the ball. It's very much like a corked bat Oh, I had a bad inning. I need to get more glue on my fingers. Oh, I didn't hit that ball far I'll just go use the bat that I made illegally