Hello and welcome! We would like to speak to you about our Moodle Quiz and Questionment project. We have ongoing scenes Moodle 4.0. Some of you might have heard of it, some of them won't. Anyhow, along this presentation we have prepared some questions ongoing we would like you to look at and maybe answer during your speech and we will look up the answers at the end. It's a simple VooClap, those six letters. Here's our agenda and we'll start right away with the project overview. Since we spoke to you last in September 22 a year ago Moodle 4.1 and Moodle 4.2 has been released. We talked shortly on what of our developments did make it into those versions but we wanted to state clearly that the 4.2 developments were smaller than the other steps we have been able to accomplish. And this due to the fact that we reorganized internally and we switched our development partner from catalyst AU to catalyst EU which took us some time resources during winter and spring. But who's that aforementioned we that's a lot of institution backing us with funds and the initiators precisely those four people. Tim, Thomas, myself and Antonia who does lead the project lead. In Moodle 4.3 we will be able to land one of our architectural base issue. The filtering conditions in question banks now do use the same user interface as participant filtering does. Then we are allowing for some more flexibility to customize the question bank for teachers and some other technical improvements. But let me show you what the first two bring to the user. Here you see that the question bank filtering condition can concatenate now and multiple one of these as well and use the same user interface that you know from the participant page. Thus it is possible to drill down to the questions you want in even more detail than before. Bonus point, if you have drilled down in all that detail as you wish the filters are persisted within the URL and you can share that link so that the other person receiving it and opening the link has got the same filter criteria in front of them. The same user interface elements are also there where you add a question to a quiz. Teacher can now rearrange the columns of a question bank, remove columns or resize them in width based on their proper needs. This is implemented and integrated in Moodle as we speak which makes us the most actual speech which is the reason why you should for us for a speech of course. In this slide you see some more aspect that we have been able to get into Moodle 4.3 but there's still one main part we are working hard to get done and that is the possibility to make questions which are in a question bank in a course shareable to other places and with that I would like to hand over to Tim. Thank you very much Luca. Yes when we started this project all these various ideas we had for improving the question bank we thought we might achieve in Moodle 4.0 and it's taken a little bit longer than that but I think as we worked on it our ideas have improved but as Luca says one of our key goals right from the start was improving the ability for teachers to share questions between courses and while we've done a lot of other features that will make that easier to implement we still haven't actually done that key part and what I'm going to explain now is what we think is the right way to implement that part and the reason I'm talking to you now before it's done is we think we have a good idea but we're not absolutely sure so after we've explained what we're currently thinking we would very much like your feedback are we on the right track or do we need to think again do we need to improve it so before we talk about what we're thinking about for the future it's probably best to make sure we are all aware of what currently exists in Moodle today and what currently exists in Moodle is what has been there since the time of Moodle 1.9 which is more than 10 years ago and it just no one's worked on this so what exists for sharing questions between courses in Moodle 1.9 is only available if you have an elevated role like admin or manager and if you have one of these roles or a custom role and go into the question bank then what you will see is as well as the questions for this quiz and this course you will also be able to see shared areas of question bank at the system level and the course category level and as I say one problem with this it's only accessible to people with elevated roles and if you have elevated roles to access these areas suppose you have permissions to access questions in the system area then because of how Moodle permissions work that means you have permission to access every question in every course in the Moodle site which may not be exactly what you want unless you really really trust all your users there's another problem that there is only one system area so if you have different groups of people who would like to be able to share questions throughout the site you don't really have a way to do that so that's what exists today and it has these problems which are basically what I just said by the way that the slides are not appearing on this screen down here I don't know if there's anything we can do about that the other big problem with the current system is that if you use it there are some nasty bugs which happen when you back up and restore courses and within the current framework various people have tried to fix this and they have not succeeded so it's kind of an inherent limitation of the current system which makes it a bit dangerous to use the sharing features which is a problem so this is where we are today and thinking back to Marie's talk about the Moodle development process I mean in proposing a new feature there are several steps they're sort of identifying the problem and what the requirements are and then there's ideating possible solutions and only then do you build it so we're looking at both these first two pages sort of identify what the problems are oh I've got some diagrams so yes at the moment sharing you can put your questions in the system question bank and then use them in different courses but for a lot of institutions this doesn't actually work for them so what a lot of institutions actually end up doing is they just keep questions in the course question bank of their various courses and where they need the same questions in a different course they will export them and import them and then you have two copies of your questions and as I as a software developer I know that whenever you have a copy of things you need to maintain that is a big headache and causes problems so if you spot an error you have to remember all the places you copied that question and go and fix it that's the picture of today so to summarize what we think the requirements for a new question sharing system is we think that a shared question bank needs to be a kind of thing that you can create the ones you want not sort of tied to any specific part of Moodle and they're having created a question bank you can make a particular question bank available to a particular group of users and then when a user is building a quiz they should be able to add questions from any area of shared question bank that they can access and add them to the quiz if we're saying shared question banks are a kind of thing you should be able to create one give people access there are other things we would expect in Moodle for example if you can create these things you probably want to be able to back them up and restore them and so on well we do want to enable powerful sharing features it's also not everyone needs this quite a lot of the time we're just in that simple a teacher will be in a simple situation where a teacher just wants a quiz in their course independent of everything else they just want to be able to go say new quiz add a new question make a question add a new question make a question so well some people want sharing other people just want simple quizzes and we must remember that and must go on supporting that and there are the existing backup and restore bugs we need to fix those so that is our understanding of what the problem is we are trying to solve I mean how do people do people feel we have correctly captured the problem or do you think oh I see a few positive bits of body language coming back right so this is the problem we think we're trying to go on and now then we've been ideating well sorry keep forgetting I did these slides this is my loose diagram of what it is we think we need so sort of continuing the previous example I sort of indicated that within Moodle you need to have these we want to have in this case in this example these two different question banks but I kind of gray boxes it's not quite clear what they are and the rest of the talk is me explaining what I think these things need to be so let me take you through my thought process as I contemplated these requirements and how we might solve them now I mentioned that there's the requirement it should always be able to build a simple standalone quiz and that suggests that there's the potential we have today that questions can be stored inside a quiz we need to keep that and there are other activities within Moodle that use the quiz for example at the Open University we use the student quiz plug-in it's a very nice little add-on if you're worth looking at if you don't know about it and the student quiz is basically a bit of question bank with tools around it for students to do peer learning and simply as I was just saying the quiz is like a bit of question bank with some quiz functionality so I thought to myself we you know activities already have bits of question bank and we need to keep this and also Moodle activities get you a lot of the other things we want if you have an activity you can create activities where you want them in your courses you can control which users have permissions in activities for example in a forum you could give a user moderator rights by assigning them the non-editing teacher so that kind of flexibility of permissions exists and activities you can back them up and restore them so activities give us a lot of the requirements we're trying to achieve and there are things that already exist in Moodle and we know we need activities with questions in so do we need anything else you know I said quizzes like question bank with quizzing features what if we made an activity that was question bank plus nothing else do you need anything beyond that well you do need this bit that when you're building a quiz you can add from any question bank you have access to not just the current limited range of places you can add questions from so that was a conclusion that doing this was the simplest possible way to meet all the requirements but well anyway let's yeah sorry here is a mock-up of how it might look in the simplest possible way it might be implemented so here is a quiz with a couple of course with a couple of quizzes and we've also added a question bank and looks like any other activity with a particular icon probably students will never see it so it is a bit weird you have something on your course page that students will never see and when you go into it it's kind of a bit like a quiz you know when you're in the quiz interface you have question bank here in this you have question bank you don't really have anything else and then when you go to add to a quiz you're very familiar dialogue if you've used to building quizzes it's showing you currently the questions from one question bank the course question bank and then there's a button there you could go and select a different question bank and add questions from there instead I haven't mocked up what happens when you click that button but it be some sort of list of all the question banks you're allowed to access and then you can change so that summarizes what I've already explained will make a new type of activity called shared question bank will change add to quiz so you can add from any shared question bank obviously there's a migration but that should be a completely automated upgrade as moodle upgrades always are and once we've done that we can clean up a lot of the old mess in the code and fix the backup and restore bugs that's the basic outline of the plan and here are some of these schematic diagrams so this is a direct translation of the previous example the only thing is to have a place to put these question bank activities we've had to create some extra courses for like language resources that are shared between different sites now at least at the open university this is something we're already doing with other things and I'm seeing some enthusiastic nodding there and I've spoken to other people this seems to be a pattern people are already using I don't know if everyone's already using this so this aspect doesn't really worry me and of course you don't have to do this if you're currently in the situation where you only ever store questions in your course question banks that will just continue to work pretty much the same it'll just the question bank will now be an activity rather than a special built-in thing that's part of moodle and you may think for a course you only never need one question bank but once you realize that these are things you can create and remove well you can start thinking so maybe at the moment you can only have one question bank in your course but maybe in future it would be helpful to have two perhaps if you have a final exam you just want to keep questions related to the final exam separate from the main course question bank so someone doesn't accidentally use them maybe you want to have different permissions there so this is all about give this this brings a lot of additional flexibility that could be used in various ways and moodle users tend to be very creative in how they use the features even in ways that the original developers didn't think of but there is this issue suddenly this thing that's in being in moodle for a long time suddenly it's going to start appearing as an activity on the course page and normally things on the course page are things we're using to teach students this is something only for teachers well as I said there is this just too weird is this an insurmountable UX weirdness that means we actually need to think again and find a different plan that is that is the fundamental question and I switch between thinking this is a neat and elegant solution to all our problems or it's just a UI disaster UX disaster waiting to happen and this is the thing we would most like your feedback about because of course at the moment in moodle's navigation we're familiar with finding the question bank here we're thinking that probably will keep that link in the navigation and that will take you to a page that will list all the question banks in the course and probably in future when you create a new course you won't immediately have a question bank you but if you want one will probably have a single button there just create me a default course question bank but if you're not going to use that you don't ever need to create it so that again simplifies things for people who don't need question banks so yeah that is the sort of fundamentals of what we are proposing and as I say we would like your feedback we'll have a chance any minute now right in this room to start the discussion and Luke and I are here till the end of the mood so come and grab us and of course there are the forums on moodle.org and actually a week or so before this conference a discussion spontaneously broke out someone asking anyway this has turned into a discussion of these proposals so please you can also continue the discussion on moodle.org or reach out to us in any other way so just before we go to the discussion I think Luke is going to show us the results of the WooClap thank you much yeah yeah I'm feel free to answer along that already a first part and maybe yeah this is to WooClap code so it's on the sheets I try to read out the results if you'd like it's not possible to switch to it and switch it back we will then share that with you so far 42 answers so 59% say yes to the question does the organizers share questions between courses using the system and course category question bank it's a bit surprising to me it's good yeah so it's sharing is seems to be something that is a use case and a requirement 55% say yes to the question do you understand that feature course do you understand that feature could you explain to someone how to set it up so 45% say you know and don't really understand you couldn't explain it and is sharing questions between courses a feature your organization needs at the third questions there 88% say yes that's the case yeah thoughts on what Tim myself the team that is thinking about this is some has shared here with you yes please okay thank you for the talk I have a suggestion and a question I'll start with a suggestion with also sort of a comment I'm not a fan of the question bank appearing directly on the course page I think that's gonna be incredibly confusing I can already hear the professors in my office telling me why is this here why is it happening have you considered or maybe you should consider having it as a block in the course because my professors already kind of use the block drawer as they're like go to course management thing and so if the question bank appears over there they can expand it or contract it so it's still it's it's not something that's going to be directly confusing to see but those professors that do really want to use it can sort of optionally have it right so that's my suggestion you are in that that's too weird yeah can I also just check which version of you still on Moodle three-point something we're on four point two yeah we're on four point two as of August with blocks yeah yeah okay yeah thanks and then my question so something that seems a little a potential for some sort of for some stickiness if you have these question banks they're shared between many different courses right ideally with many different professors right and this will especially be an issue with larger universities what happens when you've got five quizzes with the same question in it and then one of those professors goes in and says oh I want the wording to be different here and then you've got active quizzes that now we're changing the text of those questions while students are taking them so what's what's the thoughts there so I think the overriding thought is that any time you have a group of people using a shared resource they need to actually be functioning as a group and communicating with each other because it is a shared resource so you kind of need collective ownership although we haven't got the key sharing requirement yet we have delivered a lot of other features in our ongoing project so for example now in the question bank there is a column that shows you how many quizzes use this question and let you see where this question is used which helps you understand the implications of changing it there are comments in the question bank so there's a some technical I mean conversation is really a people problem but there's some technology to support it and I was thinking that was the third thing but I can't remember anyway so that's that's my sort of oh sorry yes when you're building a quiz you can the default option is that if the question is edited students will get the new version but you can actually fix a quiz to that I want this version of this question to be used in this quiz so thank you some of the tools support to help with that situation yeah so lots more questions so thanks for you talk and thanks for the initiative I'm definitely one of these people that found the idea of having a question bank activity very weird and it was totally opposed to it but the more thought about it the more liked it and figured out that lots of the problems that we have current projects would be solved by that even though it feels weird at the first time to actually the first months I thought about that yeah my question would be I totally agree with with you that it is weird from a UX perspective but have you thought and figured out whether having a section separate for teachers like a teachers area would could be navigated to differently like this we at section zero yeah whether that could be a UX solution to your problem again that is a good idea and you're not the first person to suggest that and actually an additional situation talking about what people already do I've known courses like at the university with groups of teachers where they will have a forum that is hidden from students to let the various teachers on the course communicate so I think maybe and I think maybe having a special section in the course to hold these what you might call teacher tools because there are lots of tool Moodle has lots and lots of tools and they're really useful for education but they can also be used for teams of teachers so that is an idea we're thinking of yeah that's a good suggestion thank you yes so I'm also in the in the two weird camp and I know that it's probably extremely hard to do technically but I think that the best idea the most intuitive thing for teachers was always these are my questions why are they not bound to my user in the way but I guess it's impossible at this point to to change the overall architecture in a way that was reflected and if that's not possible then maybe the idea with activities is not so bad but I'm not sure because the whole concept doesn't fit into my head right now but could you have like central courses with a lot of these activities and just give the permission on the activities to certain teachers and have these at the course that sits in the root category would that work at the moment that would certainly work with this proposal I mean almost I mean the thing about this proposal is then it's like anything else in Moodle you can set up what you need for your organization we're not forcing you to follow any one pattern so if that pattern that what you suggest would certainly be possible and if that's what works for you you can set that up but if someone else needs something different they don't have to have it tied to individuals do you know what that work at the moment like with the current architecture if I make a center you can't do it well you know so with the current architecture when you're building a quiz you can only add questions from the course you're in or the course category or the system so I would never be able to add from this activity in a different course those would never show up those would never show up and that's one of the things we need to change that would be great maybe the barrier to change this is lower than to change it so that questions are bound to a user right yeah we only have time for one more question maybe to if it's quick so yeah just continuing on from that last point I was thinking along very much the same lines it being tied to the user and I think maybe useful paradigm is the idea of kind of Google Drive and you know they create resources there they then add collaborators to that also a corporate level if somebody leaves the company you can transfer ownership to somebody else I think that at that level for sharing across multiple courses maybe even multiple faculties it doesn't really fit nicely into courses or categories and things like that as as you're kind of acknowledging so yeah another vote there for maybe looking at the user context the issue with that is that it doesn't really fit with Moodle's model for managing permissions in Moodle you can give someone permissions on a course or an activity to do that we'd have to make like a category of questions in a question bank be a type of thing where you can assign permissions and that's quite a big change that's only used for our I mean it could be I mean anything can be done if you write enough code but that would be a relatively big change and a conceptual change from how Moodle currently works whereas activities already a concept in Moodle so yeah thank you has that been the last way I don't want to finish without credits never have done half very quick one minute before it's okay no so let me finish with the credit so we told you about the structure while we think about it who's the people behind we have our in close contact with HQ of course but we're our time has is funded by by our institutions but we are not funding the work by catalyst this is funded by this fine organization if you want to be a part of that this qualifies as a research initiative research cooperation collaboration pardon me so in that it is value-added tax exempt it's really easy to be to be contributing my institution does make the role as bank obviously we're Swiss and we pay then catalyst but if you want to contribute tell me get in contact with me get in touch you might have a fund for quality assurance there's maybe a special cashier for digitalization you sent me the amount I can send out an invoice we can do a contract even if you insist on doing it thanks to all these institutions and let's keep that funded and keep that going along please contact me thank you


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Hey everybody so as you can see we're driving so some of you saw that I did a little video about the documentary on uh psychiatry from Scientology and then my beautiful girlfriend Tristan who's behind the camera right now she informed me that they actually have a museum I'm like oh well we live in Las Vegas LA's not that far let's take a road trip and check this out let's see what Scientology's museum on the history of psychiatry is so I'm not sure what to expect so you're gonna come along on this journey with me but a few things that I'm hoping for well I don't know actually I'm hoping for it to be normal which it won't be but I think they might have that thing what is that called an emeter an emeter their little thing that like tests you for any mental health issues which is basically like a little lie detector if they have one of those I'm gonna do it oh yeah and my son's here but we're we're struggling with the camera angle so you'll see him later anyways I I'm wondering if they have like I'm hoping since my son's with me they don't have any like traumatizing photos of like old-time stuff but my son's a big boy I will talk about it we'll discuss it and all that stuff but we just passed Barstow we're about an hour away and we'll keep you posted all right y'all I got a little power nap in so we're about to head off to the Scientology museum and by the way for all of you who think as youtubers are ballers like we found a really cheap place in LA it's nice I think it's safe but we'll see all right we're heading off to the museum all right everybody we made it and I got boom the little one with us so we're right outside so what's interesting is that it doesn't even doesn't even say Scientology on there you know but yeah they have a website restoring human rights let me check that out later too anyways going inside we'll be back we made it back and since this hotel room for some reason does not have chairs you get standing Chris today all right so we made it back we made it back alive from the Scientology museum and the only weird thing that happened was Tom Cruz chased us around a little bit I'm just kidding with all of you guys all right anyways yeah we got back and I brought my son with us as you know and it was weird trying to figure out like how to talk to him about it before we went in there because obviously some things in there are historical some things in there are going to be blown out of proportion and all that kind of stuff so we had a chat and I'll be circling back to that because we had a conversation afterwards once we got out of there so we went in there and I even really think about this until Tristan brought it up later but we walked in there one of the the dudes at the front desk who came to greet us he was like he's like hey you've been here before and I was like no he's like oh you look familiar I was like no we're from out of town but Tristan brought it up later she's like I wonder if they saw your video and I'm like huh maybe they did because a lot of people like after I did my last video they're like oh they're gonna come for you I'm like what but I'm wondering if for some reason they saw my video that video only has like 500 views so that that would be weird anyways go in there and you check in you got to like sign in and I told him that we were just psychology students you know what I mean but uh yeah you like sign in and then you you walk into this room really dark room and they have like a video that plays and there was only two other people moving in there so I'm like oh it's gonna be pretty empty but they're ended up being like uh not like a ton of people but there was a decent amount of people it's like a small museum it just kind of goes in this kind of like U-shape right but you sit in there you sit in this dark room and they play you like this video about like the history of psychiatry and industry of death it's pretty much the exact same intro of that uh documentary that I talked about so they kind of they kind of prep you that psychiatry is just this evil industry right and you walk in there and it's it kind of goes in chronological order from like the history of psychiatry so they start back with like those weird like torture like devices like they had like ones that were like remade like there was like this chair where it was like wooden chair and then there's like a thing over your head like this and it was weird and they said like I read the little descriptions like to keep people from like going like that and stuff and then they had like a bunch of the other like kind of torture devices they had one device in there which I don't know if it's real or not I'm sure it is because they did crazy stuff but it was because they thought it was like ovary induced hysteria where it was like this device that went up in a lady and like squeeze their ovaries which is kind of well strange but then you go through and they kind of go to like the world war two side and they talk about psychiatry from like you know world war two and the nazis and everything like that and how they were trying to do like eugenics and all that kind of stuff you know what I mean so anyways you're walking through there you get past the whole nazi area and then it starts getting towards like 1950s and stuff like that when medications were introduced when electroshock was introduced and they actually have this thing where like you push a button and it shows like the it was interesting too because when you walk in there they ask for like donations because it's a free museum but they they ask you if you want to sign like a petition or like donate money for like trying to end electroshock right and I'm on the fence about electroshock because back in the day it was like this crazy insane thing like it's not like one flew over the cuckoo's nest and all that but did you know did you know Carrie Fisher our girl princess Leia she actually swore by electroshock therapy like she said that that like helped her a lot she I think she said she had multiple sessions I read one of her shorter books and she like she was saying how it really helped her with her bipolar disorder right then you go through and it starts showing like all the medications and they have a bunch of like stats and graphs and stuff saying how many medications are being prescribed and I don't know how accurate those numbers are they had a few citations at the bottom but they weren't from like organizations that I've heard of but like check it out whether or not those numbers are accurate I'm not sure but I do know it's something that I talk about especially as a prescription drug addict in recovery like I do know that the United States prescribes a buttload of those medications like not just psych meds but you know obviously pain meds and everything like that and right after that you walk into this little area and they have this whole wall of celebrities who have passed away for various reasons right and like they have like Robin Williams on there Heath Ledger they had uh god you guys are gonna make fun of me for this they had the woman who played Dorothy from the Wizard of Oz on there I said Garland huh anyways they had a bunch of people there and they they have these little descriptions and they would either blame it on you know well they would say suicide or they would blame it on uh the actual medications and that was kind of an ongoing theme of people who committed suicide while on these medications and I'm gonna circle back to that in just a second the weirdest part about that whole celebrity side of it was they had Ozzy Osbourne on there and those of you who know Ozzy Osbourne is alive and kicking all right so he's still alive but I read the little description it was just talking about like the medications that he's been given over the year for his mental illness and all that kind of stuff so the next part like for me was kind of the most uh uh disturbing area actually there was a part right before where they showed like this hall of shame for psychiatrists so yeah I'll tell you about the next part in a sec they hold this show this hall of shame for like psychiatrists um some of them were in trouble for prescribing too many medications some of them were uh pedophiles and things like that and something that you know I ended up you know talking to my son about I talked to Tristan about but I think I counted them I counted how many psychiatrists they had on there and it was like 30 31 or 33 right and I was like listen because I'm a stats guy I'm all about them stats baby and I'm like okay so you have 30 33 people up here right like how many psychologists how many psychiatrists do you have in the United States at any given moment right like thousands maybe millions I don't know maybe I'll find the stat and put it up on the screen you know what I mean and it's like okay so these 30 throughout this entire history like that's not a large number and something I talked to my son about later was in any industry like let's look at police officers right like you will find some shady police departments like what was it in Boston or Baltimore or whatever were they like just a couple years ago there was like all these police officers who got in trouble for like planting evidence all these things like you wouldn't say all police officers are bad you know what I mean so when creating this museum it could be easy to find the worst of the worst examples you know like this whole thing was just like this kind of like scary like look at the worst of the worst but with any industry if you find the worst of the worst it can make the whole industry look bad you know what I mean so as you walk through the next part it showed like the the history of the DSMs the diagnostic and statistical manual and they had like some things on the walls that said like pseudoscience and all these things but it's interesting because the Scientologists kind of pick and choose you know who they're going to like be the authoritative figure you know what I mean so if it's like for the most part those they'll show like journalists or authors and things like that but then you have like a psychologist or psychiatrist who is kind of against like the overdiagnosing of the DSMs or anything then they use them as an example so they're kind of doing the reversal right so they'll be like oh well here's one good psychologist who thinks that this whole thing is wrong or this aspect of psychiatry is wrong you know what I mean they they cherry pick they're like oh this is a psychologist who believes in believes what we're saying they must be one of the good ones you know I was actually thinking too and you guys can let me know in the comments like how many psychologists or mental health professionals do you think are Scientologists you know and maybe they get cold on them to pluck them out for these videos and everything a lot of them are like psychologists that I've heard of and some of their books I've read about overdiagnosing or overprescribing and things like that the next part sorry I'm doing all this by memory of walking through there and you're probably seeing some clips and everything but the next part that was the most disturbing part for me and it was like about children all right so it was about children who have been affected by the terrible things of psychiatry and they have a little section on Columbine but then they had this wall of like young kids like I'm talking 12 and under and some of them died you know because of the medications notice my air quotes some of them had committed suicide at a very young age and like I said there was an ongoing theme of medications causing suicide and here's the thing like if you look at any medication any medication like hell you could probably look at Viagra right and one of the side effects is like suicidal ideation like to cover their butts these pharmaceutical companies have to list all the side effects all of the side effects and it is very rare like a lot of you watching this video right now might have been on meds at some point or another or you're currently on meds and you did not experience any suicidal ideation for example I've been on meds like anti-depressants for over seven years now and none of them have made me suicidal so again it's cherry picking to be like oh oh these people but the the thing that bothers me is there's no real way to prove it you know what I mean there's no way to prove this medication is what made that person suicidal because as some of you probably know these medications may not work for everybody so you can have a depressed suicidal person put them on a medication the medication isn't as effective for that person based on their personal biology their genetics whatever it is like they can actually do genetic testing to see which medications will work best for you like well maybe the medication didn't work and it just didn't stop their suicidal ideation there's no real way to test for that you see what I mean but yeah it was like they had like chairs like it was a classroom and over by the uh some of these lockers they had these things like facts about kids and how they're introducing this like crazy mental health and psychology and psychiatry thing into schools so Dylan came over and he was looking at it with us and there was one part where he was talking about like this anger management thing that they were implementing in schools like it was teaching kids about psychos like their mental health and anger management and it was saying that it was turning these kids into like killers like it was nuts but I was asking Dylan I was like have they ever taught you this in school is this part of your curriculum he's like no and then there were some other things where they said this is what they're doing in schools am I Dylan do they do that at your school he's like no you know what I mean so there's things on the walls like maybe one awful school or one terrible school did something you know like like you hear shady stuff happen at random schools all the time but this doesn't mean it's like the whole thing okay so we ended up uh that was the last section so we ended up walking out and they have this huge area this huge area I don't remember if I got a clip of that but this huge area where it's filled with like books and pamphlets and all this other stuff and a lot of them were free right like they had a whole section on like different medications like antidepressants stimulants antipsychotics and all this other stuff and then uh those were all free and then on this other wall they had um ones that you could buy and like they like really like they're good like you know any charitable organization or one that's free or whatever it's going to really try to get money out of you so the dude was like you know hey you want this it's only ten bucks you know whatever it helps go towards you know and I'm just like whatever I'll just get one of these like I'm the type of person you provide something for to me for free like I want to compensate you a little bit you know and then like when we went to go cash out and pay out they have like this little kind of gift store and by the way on the left side they have like this conference room where there was like people in all these business suits like watching some videos and like I was like I wonder what this is I wonder if it's like investors or I have no idea what that whole thing was all about but you go in the little gift store and they like check you out and they had a they had a book that I wanted to look at I might get a copy sometime but it was about labeling children with mental illnesses but they had like shirts and bumper stickers talking about like you know I don't need no meds or you know whatever it is and anyways we end up checking out and they have like a little form that you fill out so they get their like tax write off and he's like hey do you want to donate some more I'll toss in something else and I'm like sure just 20 bucks like you know I paid 10 for the thing here's another 20 bucks and he gave me something on the military or veterans or whatever but after we left like Tristan kind of made a good point she's like why'd you even give him money I was like I don't know they were nice and they like you know we got to come here for free she's like yeah but you're like donating to a cause that you don't agree with I'm like huh that's an interesting point you know but I don't know hopefully 20 dollars doesn't let him do any kind of massive propaganda scheme okay so the most interesting part was we got into the car and like I said before we went in there we talked to Dylan you know and something I haven't told you guys and I don't know if I'll do a video on this but my son's actually he's in fifth grade he's doing a project for school they they got different topics for like global issues that they need to like figure out solutions for and stuff and his group is actually doing like suicide on a global scale right so that's really interesting and you know obviously he knows I do a lot so obviously he knows I do a lot with like mental health he used to come with me to the events I did at the drug rehab and I've talked to him about addiction and you know all this other stuff so I've been really involved in this project you know because I don't I don't trust the school to really talk to him about suicide and all this other stuff the way I think you should talk to children and plus they're doing some independent research so I've been really involved trying to let him know and talk to him you know and kind of like I don't want him to freak out you know and stuff and just really know how to help people because next year's middle school then you get high school that's when a lot of this mental health stuff starts hitting our children so I've been working with him a lot on that so when he came in there I was telling him you might learn some stuff for your your project and stuff but you know ask questions and we'll talk about it so we got out and we get in the car and I'm like all right Dylan what do you think do you have any questions or anything and I was just reminding him I'm like you know some of that stuff is like true about history and some of it isn't you know some of it is like blown up like I was telling him about you know exaggerations right like like some people have a bad day and somebody people are like oh my god this is the worst day ever like he's he's 11 years old so I gotta you know cater how I talk to him about the stuff 2 and 11 year old and I was just talking about how things are blown out of proportion but then we also had a conversation about negativity like that negative bias and we talked about how they were picking the worst of the worst examples right and my son he does a you know a gratitude journal and stuff like that so he knows all about focusing on the positives and everything so we had a conversation about how this museum was focusing widely on the negative aspects and not only I think about it they didn't offer me one of those little those little tests that I was hoping to take so maybe I'll swing by the local campus here and get one of their if they're back there again but anyways I asked him do you have any questions and this is something I didn't even think about until Dylan asked me and he's like not to be rude that's his favorite thing like whatever he says not to be rude like you always wonder what's coming next but he says not to be rude but how can I believe you and not them and I'm like oh damn I'm like do I gotta bring my son back onto this side you know what I mean but I'm glad I'm glad he asked questions I'm glad he's inquisitive you know I don't think that we should believe everyone or everything at face value I'm glad that I'm his father and even questions me because you know maybe he'll disagree with me on something or maybe he wants to know how I know what I know you know like that's what ancient Greek philosophers used to do like Socrates was all about like how do you know what you know and that's what he was asking me about and I explained to him you know just all the research I do all the all the books I read all the statistics I look at and everything but then you know Tristan chimed in and she's like she's like Dylan I worked in a psych hospital like Tristan when she used to live in here in California she worked at a psych hospital for I think a little over two years and she's like I've worked in that field and they're not torturing people we're not shoving you know medications down their throat like obviously it's a psych hospital like where people are having like psychotic breaks or their schizophrenics or you know whatever the case may be so you know we had a conversation with Dylan like yes some people do have to be you know restrained or but a lot of it's to keep them safe from hurting themselves or hurting somebody else you know and I kind of explained to him like just a couple different disorders and how their brains work differently and all that but then after Tristan brought that up I'm like yeah Dylan I'm like and I worked at a place like that right like I worked at the drug and alcohol rehab but we specialize in dual diagnosis so people there had mental illnesses as well and Dylan has come with me there he's come with me to the rehab I'm like I'm like do you think that we had like torture devices and a basement like we didn't even have the basement there I'm like you've seen these places but then we also reminded him his grandma you know she she's a psychologist his mom just graduated from college majoring in I forgot which form of psychology it is right so he has a lot of people in his life who work or are educated in this field and I use that to kind of show him like hey like you know people and are do you think we're awful people do you think we're torturing people you know I'm like yeah so think about it there's a lot of good people out there but then we had a conversation I was like I was like have you ever had a bad substitute he's like oh yeah I'm like yeah I'm like but have you ever had a good substitute he's like yeah right so I was explained to him that there's good and they're bad kind of like the the police thing that I talked about earlier you're gonna find bad ones but there's gonna be a lot of good ones too you know what I'm saying so anyways I just thought that was interesting because I think that if anything would be the most dangerous like I after we brought that up I was like holy crap like I thought about all the other people who who were in there and I'm like well if they don't know like if they don't know you know the facts and if they don't know people who actually work in the industry if they don't know you know much about this field like what if they really got sold on this stuff you know what I mean what if um what if a really you know mentally ill person saw that and they don't get help that's something I was talking to Dylan about too since he's doing this um project on suicide a lot of what they're working on is providing people with resources and getting them help and everything like that I'm like so think about that Dylan what if somebody was really depressed and suicidal and they went to this museum and they didn't get the help that they need so that above anything else is what I would think would be dangerous so I hope people educate themselves and listen although I'm not a fan of that museum or what Scientology does like a lot of what they said like you know they they're not necessarily lying especially when it comes to the history of psychiatry because that was messed up right but they're not necessarily lying but when you're cherry picking facts and focusing on the negative aspect that's misleading so they had a lot of factful things there right like the people on those walls like some of those psychologists were arrested and you know whatever or some of those people did die by suicide and everything like that but when you're picking and choosing when you're making assumptions about why a person committed suicide like that's that's an issue but if you're in LA and you want to go check it out do it but anyways to kind of cleanse our palette afterwards we went to the Broad Museum and check out my Instagram at the rewired so I put a bunch of pictures like Tristan found it it's like it had so many dope art exhibits and it was free it was totally free and if you have a kid and they're in the area it's right next to like the Walk Disney like concert hall but uh like they give kids like a little scavenger hunt you know to keep them occupied where you're going around the exhibits Dylan actually liked a lot of the exhibits but they do a little scavenger hunt get a little prize and stuff and they have a gift shop then after that oh my god oh my god like some of you know I'm vegetarian like we went to this place called my vegan and it had tie vegan Thai food and it was so damn good like I'm I'm I'm salivating just thinking about it it was so good so if you're ever in LA you want to you want to try like if you're not even vegetarian or vegan try this place my vegan it was dope but I've been to a place called um veggie grill which they don't have in Las Vegas so I think I'm going to take to that place today but anyways hope you enjoyed this video hope you enjoy the fact that I drove to California to check out the Scientology Museum um they also have an organization with a website I want to check out where they're they're doing a lot to kind of hurt the field of psychology so I want to investigate that a little bit more but since I drove all the way to California for y'all make sure you subscribe and ring that notification bell and tell your friends about the rewired soul and if you haven't yet make sure you subscribe to the second channel and it's going to be down in 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Thank you so much to Discord for sponsoring today's video. Hello there, my beautiful, lovely internet friends. Welcome back to my channel. Leo is also very glad to see you here. We're gonna comfy and sip some coffee for confidence as I talk about this subject because it's one that matters a whole awful lot to me. My job is putting things into words for other people. It is professional speaking. It is YouTube videos and short videos, taking a concept or an experience or an emotion and trying to convey that in a way that makes sense to other people. And to some extent, I have skill in that area. I don't struggle to do that. But with this topic in particular, my mind just goes blank because I am so overwhelmed with the emotion behind it that it becomes difficult to speak about. So back in September, the Daily Mail released this lovely article. You can see the link down below and the full title, but it's called Addicted to Being Sad and talks about teenage girls with invisible or undiagnosed illnesses, making videos on TikTok about their experiences with doctors, experiences with life, you know, the sadness and the pain and the difficulty of surviving in a body.  But the entire tone of the article is incredibly dismissive, makes the accusation that this is for clout, that they're doing this to garner thousands of likes and also insinuates that it's probably just anxiety in many of the cases. And that is a cultural societal mindset that I have seen since the day I started having medical issues. But what I wanna talk about is the long-term effects of growing up as a teenage girl with an invisible illness that was often accused of doing it for attention, of it just being anxiety, of nothing really being wrong, it's all in my head, I should just see a therapist, not by random people, but by people who mattered, like a lot of medical professionals. For the record, they were incorrect, there were things that were actually wrong. But when you spend years realizing that socially and also, you know, working with medical professionals, there is a baseline level of suspicion and the thought that you are lying and hysterical if someone can't see that something is wrong with you. It leads to some pretty unfortunate behaviors in life. And I wanna talk about a few of those to kind of shed some light on the damage that this causes. It's extensive. But first, a quick word from our delightful sponsor Discord. I'm thrilled to be working with Discord today on today's video because this is a company that I love working with and I love being able to connect with you guys through. You know them, you love them. If you don't, check them out, the link down below and join our server. Discord is a place to connect, be it through text chat, voice channels, even video chat. For a long time, I was looking for a better way to kind of connect all of us, this little community here and Discord was the perfect answer for that. I've had my server up and running for about a couple of weeks now, first open to patrons and then to all of you and it's been absolutely lovely to have conversations. I've been in the channels chatting with you guys from everything, from just general topics, to life advice, to sharing adorable pictures of puppies because who doesn't love that? Now I am on there pretty much every day replying and kind of engaging the chats, but additionally, I also have one more scheduled time where I will be on chatting with you guys live, check out the date and time in the description down below and while you're there, click that link in the description to download Discord and join my server today. I think the first thing that I learned was not to trust my own experience or advocate for myself because even though things were wrong in my body, doctors were telling me I was just fine and anxious or maybe just a teenage girl, girls just have issues. And when you hear that enough from doctors and when you also get that reaction from friends, thankfully not family members in my case, it is really hard to continue trusting your own experience when you are developing as a person. When everyone tells you that what you are experiencing, the pain you are feeling is not real or it's not as severe as what you're saying, nothing's actually wrong with you, you're fine. You're just being dramatic. You learn to ignore what is going on in your body or question it or just assume that it's all in your head. That is one of the biggest things I have fought against my entire life, not only with my body, but in every aspect of life, I question myself and question myself because there's no way my experience could be valid. And when people minimize and ignore your symptoms or if you talk about them, you're just looking for attention, you stop talking about them, you stop paying attention to them. One example of this is last year, last summer, I got a bad kidney infection. By the time I went into the doctor, it should have turned septic, they told me. I was chastised by two nurses and a doctor for not coming in sooner because obviously something was wrong, why did I wait this long? And I wanted to scream and lose my mind because I was like, being in pain is my daily experience. This is barely outside the norm. I almost didn't come in because I am so used to being in pain and also because I am so used to the fact when I am seeking help for being in pain that it is minimized and I am told it is not real or not severe.  And it's my fault. And that actually almost killed me. The other thing that happens pretty much immediately is you start developing really good skills at masking and hiding how you actually feel, what is actually going on because you think people don't wanna hear it and you don't want them to think poorly of you, think that you're a burden, think you're exaggerating things.  It's one of these catch 22 things because the better you get at pretending like you're fine, everything's great, you know?  The better you get at that, the more people and doctors do not believe you when you tell them the amount of pain or suffering that you are in because you look fine. But if you don't look fine, you lose people. You deal with that suspicion and that doubt and that fear of being labeled as attention seeking or dramatic, so you just hide it and as you hide it better and better, people believe you less and less. Another skill that I kind of mastered in that arena was learning how to not react to pain or not show pain in as many situations as possible so that when I really was in pain, people would believe me. I noticed this even recently. I went and got a piercing with a friend not that long ago and it was through like a couple layers of cartilage. It's not a super comfy piercing, like it hurts, right? It would be totally normal and understandable to like flinch and be like, oh, okay, all right, I'm good, ouch, you know? And I sat there without reacting at all because I have learned how to do that and I did not show a single bit of pain subconsciously so that I could gain credibility with the people around me that if I ever really am in pain, they can think back to that experience and be like, well, you know, she got that piercing. Well, we saw her in what should have been pain but she didn't react then, but she is reacting now. This was recently brought to my attention by a friend of mine who was genuinely concerned by the lack of reaction that I had to pain. I had a bad cut and it had to be cleaned and the stuff that was being used to clean it, it stings, it burns, it feels awful, right? And I sat there without having a single reaction to any of it because I have learned how to do that. And they told me days later that it was genuinely a little bit disturbing, that there was like no reaction but that was normal for me and in a weird way, I was kind of like, good, all right. So if I ever actually am in pain, I've gained enough credibility points with this person that they will believe me and that is something that I take into every aspect of my life. I think if I mask the pain, if I hide it, if people think, oh, that should have hurt her but she seems fine, then when something is wrong and it rises to a level that I actually need help, maybe they'll believe me. But the thing is, I shouldn't have to do that. And with most people, I probably don't have to do that but it just becomes second nature to preemptively make sure that people are gonna believe you when something's actually wrong. It's this constant mind game because I'm so tired and so scared of people thinking that I'm faking something or being over-dramatic or doing it for attention when I am not. Back when I first started experiencing chronic pain when I fell off the horse, when I started having chronic severe migraines when I was dealing with other internal things going on, all of that was real and should have been believed but it wasn't and it left me as someone who has a very difficult time thinking anyone is gonna trust them. It's also made communication with doctors insanely difficult because when you have enough experiences of people downplaying, talking down to you, thinking you're doing it for attention or there's no way you could possibly know your own body, nothing's actually wrong, when you have enough of those experiences, it becomes really challenging to approach any doctor as if they're actually gonna help you. It kinda starts to feel like doctors are the enemy which I know they are not. I've had incredible doctors that have helped me in so many ways that have listened to me that have actually taken the time to figure out what the hell was going on but it is hard not to carry this prejudice towards every doctor I ever meet and when you go into a situation thinking this person's not gonna trust me, they're not gonna believe me, they're gonna suspect me of just being anxious or doing it for attention, you come in defensive and almost angry and sometimes that shows and that's not good and that's not fair but it is so difficult to do when you have been conditioned for over a decade that you have to fight and even if you fight, you're still not gonna be helped. This is a very conscious mental thing that I go through every single time I meet with a doctor. I have to take a moment to be like, all right, leave your previous experiences with other professionals at the door, this person is a new person, don't blame them, don't hold other people's mistakes against them, speak to your doctor honestly like they're gonna help you and I feel like a crazy person doing that because I'm like, no, so many things have told me this is not the case. Why would I do that? Why would I trust this person? Why would I talk to them like they actually wanna help? But then if you don't do that, A, it's just bad, but B, you come in upset and angry at them which doesn't promote good communication, it does not promote understanding or someone wanting to help you even though they still will. It promotes unhealthy relationships with your doctors but it's so hard to avoid. Like when you think everyone's gonna suspect you of being over dramatic, you'll learn how to be under dramatic but being under dramatic means that you're not actually sharing the reality of your situation with people which leads to feeling insanely isolated and that's the other thing. It is so isolating to be in pain and when you read articles like teenage girls, you know, sharing, crying videos on TikTok for thousands of likes which is very clearly implying it is for attention and while I can't speak for all of these videos, perhaps not everyone is being honest, that's always a possibility, a pretty small one but a possibility. I'm glad that they're talking about it. I'm glad that they're sharing their experiences and emotions because that helps people connect, that helps people feel less alone. I'm glad that these teenagers have found some kind of community on TikTok or Instagram or wherever it might be because I did not have that. In so many ways, what was going on with my ankle during my teenage years when I was having a lot of surgeries on it that eventually led to, you know, the leg chopping. In a way, there was relief in some of those experiences because someone could see on an x-ray that something was out of place. Someone could read on an MRI that something was going on and eventually someone could see that my leg was gone and so I wasn't gonna be questioned about it. Everything I went through with my ankle in particular, insanely painful, lots of time in hospitals and surgeries and all that jazz but I didn't really deal with people thinking that I was lying or suspecting me for things. People wanted to help because they could see that it was wrong and it was the least painful, like overall human being whole experience painful thing because I knew I could find help and having to lose my leg where now anyone can clearly see something as different people don't question that and I appreciate that but that shouldn't be so rare. Your experience of the world is very different than other peoples when every day of your life is marked by physical pain. Your peers are not having that same experience. They're not sick all the time. They don't have to leave school or work. They aren't seeing doctor after doctor and you just feel like an alien. You feel weird and I still struggle with that to some extent though. It's gotten significantly easier over the years because I have found community. I have found people to connect with and I've sat here for a long time and wondered why? Why don't we believe people when they say something is wrong when we can't see it with our own two eyes and when you're talking about this sort of thing when you're talking about someone with an invisible illness or something that is yet to be diagnosed. So if something's going on we just don't know what it is yet. Why is so often that questioned? I wonder if a lot of it doesn't come down to fear like it's a terrifying thought that you could have something really wrong and no one can know what it is. So it's just easier to think, well that wouldn't happen. That can't actually be the experience. So I'm sure they're not actually sick. I'm sure they're not actually hurting. I'm sure that could never happen to me. I don't know. That seems like potentially part of the reason. I also think a big part of it is that people don't wanna hear about it all the time understandably and frankly oftentimes people don't wanna hear about it all. A lot of healthy able-bodied people would kind of prefer just to not recognize or want society to take care of those who are sick and disabled. We see this ableism absolutely everywhere and also sitting with someone in pain or sickness whatever that is is uncomfortable. It's hard to meet someone where they are. It's beautiful and good and such an important part of our human experiences but it's not comfy. It's much easier to have a surface level conversation. It takes courage to believe and to sit with someone understanding that you can't fix it but you can be there. Genuinely I don't know the reason and when it comes to the medical community I am not a medical professional so I don't know but I also have to theorize that maybe some of it comes from frustration of not being able to find the solution. There were a lot of doctors that I met with. They're like, okay, yeah, let's take care of things. Let's run this test, this test. You know, I don't think you've had this done before. Let's get it checked out. And the second that all of that comes back is normal and it's not clear what the cause is but I am still not okay. The tone shifts and it's like, well, I mean, everything that I ran says that you're fine so I don't know, you're fine. And I'm guessing that a lot of these doctors genuinely want to help. Like they got into medicine for a reason. They wanted to find solutions for problems and frankly, if you can't find a solution for a problem maybe it's a little bit easier to just say that problem doesn't exist and that it's not your fault and taking the time to be like, wow, this is really a puzzle. I don't know, let's figure it out. It's easier to just be dismissive. It's less uncomfortable. It's less work. I don't know, again, that's just my guess. Like I said, I'll leave that article linked down below but it just made me so sad to read because it reflected so many of the things that I have had said to me over the years, so many of the perspectives that I have met. It reminded me why I got so good at hiding things in the first place to my detriment and I really hope that moving forward we can work on believing people a little bit better and understanding that not every medical issue is solvable, is immediately diagnosable. Sometimes things are really complicated. Our bodies are weird things. When I had a kidney infection last year that led to some other issues and lingering pain, I was told by a doctor that I knew for literally 30 minutes he had spoken to me for maybe five, you know that he reviewed my ultrasound results and nothing looked out of place so there was no way anything else could be wrong. Out of the plethora of things that can go wrong, in our human bodies, all of the weird diseases and illnesses and disorders that are out there, after running a single ultrasound, it was like, well, there's nothing wrong and there's no way anything could be wrong so you're fine, even though I was in a lot of pain still. It's not easy dealing with things that don't have answers or solutions. It's scary, I think, across the board and I hope that we can get better at this because it matters, because it has lasting, lifelong impact on the people who are suffering and in recent years, I'm happy to say that I've made some progress on some of these things. Started allowing people to know me a little bit better even if I'm like, I should be positive all the time but I'm not and just showing that, just showing up as who I am. I've certainly lost some people from my life but the relationships that I have gained and shared that with have gotten a lot deeper. It's a work in progress. Why do you think that many people have this kind of reaction? Why do you think there's this mindset in the medical community? I look forward to reading your comments and ideas down below. Thank you, again, to Discord for sponsoring today's video. That is a place for us to all honestly connect and I hope I get to see you there to my dear and darling patrons over on Patreon. Thank you for supporting what I do for believing me. I appreciate you and to you, my lovely viewer watching right now, thank you for spending a few minutes out of your day here with me today. You could be anywhere else in the world doing anything else. You chose to hang out with me here for a few minutes and I really appreciate that. I love you guys, I'm thinking about you and I will see you in the next video. Bye guys.


OTAN, Outreach and Technical Assistance Network. Good afternoon everyone. My name is Martha Clayton. I am an ESL instructor at Los Angeles City College. I'm going to just share my screen here with everyone. So good afternoon. As I was saying, my name is Martha Clayton. I am an ESL instructor at Los Angeles City College. I am also the digital literacy coordinator and D-LAC team leader. And with me is Carmen Delgado. Go ahead, Carmen. My name is Carmen Delgado. I teach computer basics at Los Angeles City College. I am a D-LAC team member and computer instructor coordinator. It's no use going back to yesterday because I was a different person then. When we started our participation in D-LAC, we had two goals. We wanted to create student workshops that offer scaffolding to low-tech proficiency students. So we could increase learner engagement with our student information system and Office 365 Suite. We also wanted to create digital EL civics learning materials and assessments in order to increase student participation. These goals are complementary and they have been very successful projects. We saw increases in student engagement with technology because instructors were collaborating. ESL and computer technology instructors developed concurrent curriculum and supported each other and students. Through surveys, informal interviews, and class projects, students were asked to share their feelings about the web enhanced, flipped, and hybrid class experiences. I like the online classes because it saves time and no need to travel to the college campus. I like using Canvas because I can do homework on my phone, tablet, or computer. I like using Canvas for our online classroom because there are no papers. You just see your assignments and reply on the spot. So we knew that students were excited but also had some apprehension. This encouraged us to develop course materials and more collaboration opportunities that would increase learner competencies and confidence. I'm using Android cell phone and I'm having a hard time looking at the screen very small. I don't like online classes because I can't interact with my friends and teacher. Sometimes it's hard that everyone is talking and listening at the same time. We began to make plans for future semesters based on the data that we compiled during the pilot phase of our projects. Maybe it's not the distance but how you handle it. And then COVID-19 happened and we switched to emergency remote instruction. But in order to be successful as remote instructors, we needed to develop a rapid response to a situation that none of us had ever experienced before. So we created a centralized resource, communications, and training have in Canvas called digital literacy. We were able to initiate this because of our leadership training and distance learning training. We focus on people's strengths to share the workload. We utilize our DL-101 and 102 training to design the digital literacy shell. So it could support faculty needs and simultaneously model effective distance learning methods, techniques, and resource management. In the past, distance impeded our ability to move forward with our DLAC projects. When team members were at different home campuses, it was challenging. So we reformed the team to include more instructors from the same home campus. At that time, the idea that team members could effectively collaborate via Zoom seemed impossible, even though we were in the same city. Now distance is offering us an opportunity to explore new ideas and offer students opportunities that would have been impossible prior to our transition to remote instruction. For example, I recently finished a class project called cooking with imperatives. This project would not have been possible in the traditional classroom setting. Yes. Okay, so what is my first step? Well, you have all the ingredients ready, right? Chop the garlic and the ginger.  It's huge. How should I cut the ginger? Oh, I don't remember. I heard someone say it. What was the name? Garlic. Yeah, the shape of the sticks. Do you remember that word? Spinks. But tons. Oh, yeah. That was the word he used, right? And we looked at the picture. What about ginger? How do people feel about ginger? Yes, or do you have like or dislike? I like it. I like it. Look, here's similar ones. I love it. It's not just sticks. That's a good way to call it. That's a good thing. That's a good name for it too. What do I do? You put the pot on the stove so you can get hot. Yeah, the oil first. Does anyone know how many tablespoons of oil, do you remember? He liked two or three because he put a lot. You have to make this recipe at home. Change. If you don't eat pork, put beef in it. Or you could even do this with lamb. I think you could even do it with ground turkey. Okay, let's see if we can get our PowerPoint going again here. Thank you for your patience. Okay. Go ahead, Carmen, if you're there. Yes. All right. Where do we go from here? While we are in completely sure what the future has in store for us, we do know that DILA has given us the skills and knowledge we needed to make this abrupt transition to remote teaching possible. Our instructors are supported through hands-on training, share resources and increased collaboration. While students are supported through level and need appropriate course design, presentation and communication. Additionally, we recently participated in field testing of EL Civics co-apps remote assessments. And the faculty in our program are currently collaborating on a four-week series that focuses on identifying our core values as a community of practice and how they can be implemented to support our students in the future. And as we close, we would like to thank everyone at OTAN for their support, guidance and patience over the past two years, especially our phenomenal coach, Susan Gair. This has been an incredible experience. We would also like to thank the amazing team at City College. We have been supported by almost 80 adjunct instructors, an incredible team of coordinators and our deans and Helica Ramirez and Dr. Emel de Perez. We could not have done this without their unwavering support. Thank you.