Let's check this out. Let's jar some honey. Hi everyone, this is Chicho. Welcome to my channel and welcome to another live stream. Free Assange, free Assange, free Assange. Gang, I'm Chicho. And today, today is December 24th, 2020. And we're in the kitchen and we got a lot of jars and we got a lot of honey. And we're gonna jar some honey. Okay, we've done this before. We've done this twice before, I believe. One time was a close-up of the honey, jarring honey that we did back in, I don't know, 2015 or so, 2016 or so. And then we did another one like three years ago or two years ago or maybe last year. I don't think it was last year or two years ago where we basically had to set up it was on a live stream, it was a recorded video where maybe it was a live stream too, I can't remember where we were jarring some honey and that is exactly what we're going to do today. Okay, and I got three main sizes of jars. I tried to get my hands on more 125 mil jars, the little guys, these guys. But the places I went to, well, two places I went to that were sold out so they didn't have any of the little guys. I got two little guys left over from previously because what we ended up doing is giving these away as gifts. We ate a lot of honey, I ate a lot of honey, we ate a lot of honey in general. But we ended up giving honey as gifts as you probably saw when we did the auction live stream where people were redeeming points and we gave away some honey and jam, comic books and whatnot. Aside from that, why we wait for notifications to go out? Let me give everybody my intro what this is all about. I am on Patreon, patreon.com. Forced-slash-gcho-chos-ch-o if you wanna support this work, if you wanna know what this is all about. Patreon is a great place to do so. For those of you who've been supporting this work for a number of years now, thank you very much for your support. 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If you celebrate, I celebrate that or not. You know what? I am Armenian, we are Christian, our Christmas, before we came to Canada, this is on January 5th, that's when we have a Christmas dinner and stuff. But when we came to Canada, everyone is celebrating on 24, 25th and we started celebrating on 24, 25th for like 40 years now, right? And as far as I'm concerned, any celebration is a good celebration within reason, of course, right? So if I find, if I travel anywhere, people are celebrating, celebrate with them. So happy holidays, Merry Christmas, right? Lark, morning, my friend Chicho, good morning. Merry Christmas all, Merry Christmas. By the way, gang, I'm gonna give you guys a heads up. I just got a notification from the post office that there might be a package there for me, comic book haul and I already picked up one comic book haul yesterday. So the timing on these things was fantastic. So after this live stream is over, I'm gonna hop over to the post office, hopefully it's still open. I can grab that haul and our two hours after we end this live stream, we're gonna do a comic book haul, okay? Might be a speedy Gonzales, maybe, you know, within reason, right? Merry Christmas from Australia, Merry Christmas dancing vigil, how are you doing? Gang, we are live streaming on Twitch if you wanna participate in the chat. Twitch is where you wanna be at and for those of you who've been following this work on Twitch, supporting this work on Twitch, subscribing, cracks loving it, Christmas morning link. Seriously, December 24th, we got comic books. Yes, please, right? Santa's in town, Santa's in town. So I'm super excited. The timing on this was fantastic and sharing gifts is amazing, right? So I'm happy to have these. I'm happy to have these, right? 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Just doing Christmas prep with the family. Awesome crack, awesome. Enjoy your family time, man. Dancing with your chichu, it looks like Santa. I gotta build up the belly. Nice, nice old comic, how are you doing? Happy Christmas Eve, chichu and everyone. Indeed, to you as well, nice old comic. Nice old comic, if you missed it, just letting you know, after we end the stream an hour to two hours later, we're gonna do a comic book haul. Either one package or two, depending if the post office is open after I finish this. Let me take these guys down gang and let me give you the lay of the land here, okay? Now, this is on the same level as we did last time where we've jarred honey. I've got two of them, I believe. One of them was like five years ago where it was a close-up of the honey being jarred and that was fun, it was just nice lighting, very ASMR, very chill. And we did one two years ago, I guess, the sort of same setup we were jarring honey, right? And that's the same thing we're gonna do because I give away, or we share a lot of honey with family and friends and stuff like this and consume a lot of honey. So I have a whole bunch of jars here that we're gonna go through and jar up some honey and I brought out 70 pounds of unpasteurized, local honey. Okay, and there's two types of honey that we got. Okay, lark, jingle bell, jingle bell, jingle bell rock. Awesome, there's two types of honey in this. Okay, I don't know which one's what. We just grabbed a whole bunch, a friend of ours deals with this, I don't know what they call people who grow honey, who raise honey, who raise bees and make honey, honey producers, that might be a name for them. But there's two types of honey in this, okay. Jared Bear, how are you doing? Hey Chicho, got done eating some Greek yogurt mixed with that jam, nice honey and some pretzels on the side, so good, so good. So good, nice welcome Chicho. Can you tell us some childhood holiday tradition you've done? So one of the holiday traditions is this. This is the pastry, the Armenian pastry that we make on Christmas, right? It's called Nuzuk and I've showed this before and this is pastries that my mom brought, made, okay. And she sent them to me. Usually I would be with a family, but there would be a big family dinner, but I'm in a different town, everybody's chilling, right? So she sent them to me and let me show you what it looks. Beekeepers, we call them beekeepers, yeah. It's not focusing, but it's there, it's really good. So one of the Christmas traditions we have, we eat this. And like everyone else, we do dinners. We play lots of games, lots of board games, board games, backgammon. There's usually chess going on when we get together with family, everybody knows how to play chess. So we play chess. It's fantastic, all right? Dancing visuals, 6.30 a.m. here and damn, kids band up to 3.30. That's what we used to do too, get up like, all you gotta do to have Christmas every day kids will be educated like mad, right? They get up early and go to school. Sounds well, chicho, nice vocal, chicho. Kinda reminds me of baklava. Yeah, it's sort of like baklava, but not really. Baklava is syrup. We make baklava. I make a kick-ass baklava, amazing, and we make it with honey, all right? You gotta make baklava with honey. I'm sorry, anything else is subpar, subpar. Gata, it's like gata, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Sunny Leo 98, it's like gata. This Nazook is like gata. Whatever's left over on the sides when we can't make the rolls and cut them up, we turn into gata, right? Armenian ancestry born in Iran, right? Most of my life in Canada, West Coast Canadian. Tony, how are you doing, yeah, chicho? Never been to one of these food streams, but I got some beautiful whiskey. I'm ready to chill, awesome. I got some Cornelia and liqueur I'm gonna be drinking. Graham, how are you doing? I made a sriracha honey, lime sauce with your honey, that you said, oh, awesome, how was it, good? Was it good? Baklava, for next auction, baklava for next auction. Dude, we used to go to a farmer's market, like family, we had a table set up, our baklava would sell out every week, done, done, like halfway through the farmer's market, baklava gone, gone, gone. Yeah, it was good, awesome, Graham. Gang, the honey we got. There's two types of honey here. One of them is light, okay? And it's salal berry. So they took the beehives and took them to a place where there was a lot of salal berries. So the bees gorged on a salal berry and they made us salal berry honey. And it's golden, it's very clear, okay? The other type of honey, which is darker, and I don't know what we got, we got a random sample of stuff. Darker is called mountain forest honey and it's a mix of maple, spruce, fir and salal, okay? So those are the two different types of honey we should be seeing here, okay? Low chicho, lonely piggy, how are you doing in chat? Hope everyone is doing well on Christmas Eve, indeed. Eve been and gone, that's incredible. And lonely piggy, snack is nozooks, okay? And I got Cornelian cherries. So actually first thing I wanna do, I'm gonna pour myself some Cornelian cherry. This is the Cornelian cherry, gang. Not Cornelian cherry, sorry, pomegranate, bottom part, Cornelian cherry. We've got pomegranate liqueur. Pomegranate, 2020, October, half a cup of sugar I added to this and we made a video of this, right? So let's just crack this open. Pour ourselves some liqueur for our, I've already poured some ice in, not too much because we're gonna go to a post office. We're gonna be here for a couple hours, so that's fine. I won't do a refill, I won't do a refill. Salute gang, Merry Christmas. I hope you're having an amazing time with friends, family, either in person or online and you're having a nice chill day, evening, morning, afternoon, wherever you might be, okay? Enjoy your day, gang, enjoy the holidays. Enjoy your time, that is fantastic. Now don't forget, gang, free Assange, free Assange, free Assange. And just to let you know, gang, I probably won't be able to interact with the chat too much because it's a little further away, camera's here and I got sticky honey going all over the place. I need to be focused on this thing, right? Cheers, my friend, many blessings, many blessings to you guys as well. Every day is Christmas when you're learning good stuff, indeed, with Graham, right? 100% agree with Graham. Cheers to all, free Assange, he's a hero, indeed. Free Assange, he's a hero. Gang, let's bring it over. Basically, these guys came in five pound buckets, right? We gotta crack it open. And I'm gonna fill up a couple of larger jars right now. These are one liter jars. Let me show you the jars we got. We got one liter jars. I got 500 mil jars, right? Got 250 mil jars, right? So these are three types, right? Most of them are, what do you call it, smaller top, right, and not the large top. And I got a couple of other random jars here and just two 125 mil jars. Now, I try to go get more of these, but they were all sold out, right? I couldn't get any. Later on, we'll probably jar some more of these to give away as gifts. And we do give the 250 mil jars as gift and the 500 mil and the one liter jar, depending on who they are, right? Honey food is the best gift of all as far as I'm concerned. Chicho. Fiona says the strawberry sauce was delicious and thanks, ah, my pleasure, night's all coming. Awesome. It's more of a sauce, right? It was so good. Organic strawberries with organic cane sugar. Otto, Merry Christmas. Let me crack this open. Let's pull this up and let's see what we got. Now, I'm gonna move my mouse over here. So it's added away. And we're gonna move this guy here. Something is laid out. Oh, for sure, dark honey. Might have some here. What's it called? Bakuit honey is really good, right? So, gink. Let me show you. Is this the lighter one? I think this is the lighter one. I'm gonna just turn this. Well, you're gonna see it once we start pouring it. And you can see, you know, all the, what do you call it? Just a sort of a bee waxer. Pretty sure there's a little bit of bees in there too, right? On pasteurized honey and local, right? Free Assange, free Assange, free Assange indeed. So let's do this. I'm gonna bring out the knife too, just in case we might need it. And we have like, you know, I have this set up here. There might be a little bit of spillage. We'll try to prevent it, right? I'm gonna go slow. I'm gonna start doing it this way. Ooh, twist, twist, twist, twist, twist. You gotta be careful with it, right? I wanna bring the jar closer again. Should've cooled, turned down the temperature in the house. So the honey would've been solidified a little bit more, not as liquidy. The golden honey, this might be the clear honey. I don't know. I don't think this is the clear one. I think this is the darker one. The clear one was a lot clearer. We have spillage. And we'll have to give these a wash later, right? And these are five pound buckets. Spillage is the highlight of your jarring videos. Lonely pages. So each one of these five pound buckets probably fills about one and a half liters of honey. Thank you very much for the bits. Gift-denoid and Merry Christmas. We already took down one of these buckets. And the price of honey has gone up, gang. These things, about five years ago, each one of these buckets was around $35, right? Five pounds of honey. Now it's $45 a bucket. It's expensive, okay? Probably more expensive than what you can get at the grocery store, depending on the type of honey. But this is unpasteurized local honey. It's good for you, okay? So I think this is the more clear one, right? Beautiful. And I'm jarring these. One of the reasons we're jarring these right now is because slowly they'll become harder crystallized, right? So it becomes harder to jar. So while they're liquid, it's a good idea just to jar them and put them aside, right? That's another big one. Same honey. Actually, this isn't gonna take a big one. So what I'm gonna do, I'm gonna do a 500 mil one. Let's do a 500 mil one. That way we're gonna put each bucket into its own jar. So if one of them is half full, it's not gonna be what we call mixed with two different types of honey, which you could. I'm gonna do it this one, this way. Let's check it out. Nice, nice. I would say this is the golden one, by the way, gang. That one was easy peasy. Avoid, indeed, turn the bucket into jar. But when it's heavy, it's more difficult to do, right? I need both hands on it, right? And I just wanna start off slow on this. Just take it easy on it, right? Speed, speed kills, gang. Slow down, slow down. You know what? There's probably, probably, let's take a look. This is probably 125 mils left over. 125 mils or 250. You know what? Let's do a 250 and see. We'll see if it fills up a 250. If it does, then we know right away that one of these buckets, five pound bucket of honey, is filling up 1.75 liters of, it's 1.75 liters, okay? Graham, do you go through this one? We go through a lot, dude, Graham, I go through a lot of, like, we, our family goes through an insane amount of honey. We always have been, right? We'll go through, like, it's not just me and my partner, I give a lot of this. We give it as gifts, like, really, like, it's rare that we buy a gift during the year. So we give this as gifts, we give it to family. So we eat a lot of honey. Like, just to let you know, we've gone already through. We picked this up about two weeks ago and we've gone through one bucket already. So there's a little bit left there. I'm gonna scrape all that later. What I'm gonna do is I'm gonna tilt them on the side or something and just have a big bowl and just flip this thing over and let it all drain into the bowl, right? So we're not gonna bother scraping these. I know we did last time. So basically, one bucket, five pound bucket, gives us 175 mils.  Where's the lid for this? And I'm gonna close the lid on these. Okay, so we don't have any accidental. Let's put that here. So we got, okay, we got this much honey out of one of these buckets, right? Out of one of these buckets. And so this was 45 bucks. So it's pretty expensive, right? But again, good food is worth it, right? You're getting the nutrients, you're getting the minerals.  Really, you're supporting local business.  That's exactly what we need. Favorite use for honey? Straight up.  Favorite use for honey? Most common use for honey? I toast, make toast, butter and honey on top, or cheese and honey, right?  Remember, we got a video up there making honey chocolate chip cookies. I make chocolate chip, honey chocolate chip cookies. We make Baalava, pastries, everything, right? You have better save those buckets. Yeah, we save these buckets in these. Like, take a look. This is one we have. We use it for compost, right? So we use these buckets. When I go harvesting blackberries, we use these buckets. We save these buckets in good buckets. Good buckets. Let's crack one open another one. And one of the, let's grab another knife. Let's crack this open. And we also put honey in my cereal, honey and tea sometimes, right? Let's crack this open. Let's see what this one is. You drink your honey nice. Elder God, honey. This seems to be light as well. Yeah, hold on, let me do this. Let me do a little organizing here. Is it possible to make honey vodka liqueur? But you probably, indeed, yeah. Maybe we do next time, right? And seriously, honey straight out. Like, so good, so good, right? So good, so good. Amazing, absolutely amazing. Puppy, well, Pope Grimy, the first couple of years we bought honey from these people, there was some comb in there. It was less filtered, right? But now they're not, like there was way more bee parts in it. Like five years ago when we started brying from these guys, like there were little bee chunks in there that we would eat, obviously. It was delicious. But now we haven't been able to get it with the honeycomb. Okay, let's do another one. A mead, oh my God, we could make mead. But mead, you don't wanna make this honey. You wanna make mead with the more the comb, the top layer of the honeycombs and stuff, I think. Let's check it out. Should we do? Let's do it, I'm gonna have my knife ready. Nice. Good stuff, good stuff. Almost had a little bit of spillage. Let's close this up. So this is the same color as this one. These are the light. We're gonna move this guy. Let's move this guy over here. Let's put all our honey. Let's do the same routine. I'll, what do you call it? Do one liter, 500 and 125. And of course, gang, don't forget. Free Assange, free Assange, free Assange. Let's do a 500, he goes at less. Let's do a 250. Some of this honey is gonna be when we do the auction. Redeeming points at some point, right? Save your points, gang. Get your hands on some honey. Local West Coast honey. This here, let's give this a little wipe. And after doing this, I do give all these a wash, right? Just because there's gonna be stickiness around. Excellent, excellent. So again, pretty much, right? Let's put the lid back on this and put it on top of each other. Epstein's, free my boy. True, let me give this a little wipe. There, that's good. Let's crack open a new one. I wanna get to the dark stuff. I don't know how dark the dark one's supposed to be. Let's see what we end up getting. Honey and vanilla ice cream, not bad. Apple and honey is amazing. Honey and everything. I eat my eggs with honey. Fried eggs and honey, oh my God, so good. And for pancakes, oh, look at this. This one's got more stuff in it. Look at that, little bee parts. Wanna see? Watch this. Here's a bee. Check it out. That's a bee, right? That's a focus. Nice, let's do this. We'll put the bee on the side. Let's do this one. Fresh goat cheese and honey. Can we do this? Let's see. Can we do this? Let's do this. I'm gonna grab my knife. So, give it a little wipe. Let's grab a five hundred mil. Let's do another one. We'll do 120, I got a couple of 125 jars as well. So, we'll do 125 as well. Is there enough here to fill up a 125? Maybe, maybe, maybe, maybe. Beautiful color to it, eh? Let's see if we can do a 125. Let's do a little 125 as well. We can fill it up. Gang, don't forget, we're gonna do a comic book haul after this. I just gotta go to post office and grab it. One of the packages anyway. Nice. So, we got 125 out of this one as well. Excellent. Little bee bits. Let's close this guy up. Gang, salut. Pomegranate liquor. So far, all of these seem to be on the lighter side. Yeah, they all seem to be on the lighter side. Very nice, very nice. Merry Christmas everyone. Let's do a 250. That's nice. Try to look at the camera and do it. The effects, the effects. Put this guy here. Good thing we got a little go too fast. Speed kills. Don't go too fast. Scooper for this one. So, how much, how much protein does honey have? Honey has, must have protein. Is it heavy in protein? With a reason, of course. Jack in. My uncle gave me a jar of honey and this stream convinced me to open it and eat a spoonful. Good stuff, good stuff. Awesome. And that's a good uncle. That's a great uncle. Let me give this a wipe. A little bit of spillage. Actually, what I'm gonna do is I'm gonna flip this. And this once. Put too much honey on it. I'm gonna wet another rag and have this one available for wiping. I got a little plate here. I got a bowl. Let's crack open another one. You know, practically none. Zero, zero protein, Elder God. I didn't realize that. I thought it had some. Cheecho, sorry I'm late. Merry Christmas, Merry Christmas. G-B-R, how are you doing? Oh wow, I got 0.3 out of 100 gram. Really, that's it. Oh, this is the darker one. Look at this one. Holy moly. That is nice. Oh, I gotta taste this. I gotta taste this. Oh yeah. Let me show, hold on, let me taste it. You'll see it. Look at that. Oh wow. I'm glad we had some of the darker stuff. So far, we've gone through four buckets of the light color stuff. Nice. Let's grab our knife. Ho, ho, ho, ho, ho, ho. So this one is, here let me show you, this darker one is, they're calling it mountain forest honey, a mix of maple, spruce, fir, and salad. Salad. Yeah, don't forget. Free Assange, free Assange, free Assange, right? Check that out. Here's the color difference. This is the darker one, of course, right? Super good, super good. And this one's mainly salala honey. And this is the spruce maple, and what was the other one? Spruce maple and fir, and salala as well, but you can tell the difference there. Super good, super good, good, good. We've got the darker honey going. Thumbnail time, thumbnail time. How much, what time are we into this? Let's check it out. What's our timestamp? So hour and 15 minutes in or it? No, no, no, 45 minutes in, 45 minutes in. I'll remember, I'll try to remember. Do a, that was great. Let's do this one. Let's do a 250, let's do a 250. I'd like to do a 125 in this as well. Hopefully we can get enough. Do we have enough for 125? Not enough for 125, but I'm gonna start one up anyway. Maybe, maybe. Remember in your stream a while back, was wrapping presents for people, grabbed apple butter, I said, it was awesome, awesome. Good, good. And we gave away some honey as well, all right? This isn't gonna be enough to fill. It is, let's check it out. Is there enough? This little one's becoming messy. Let's check it out. Almost enough, but not quite. Maybe, maybe. Can we squeeze a little bit more out of this? Let's do this. Let's bring the spatula, whatever spatula. Let's bring the spatula, because we're so close to it, so close. Nice, that's it. Let's put the lid on this. Okay, take a look, take a look. Here's the darker one, liquid gold. This is the darker one, this is the lighter one. A little bit different, and the smaller one is harder to tell, all right? Cool. Okay. Let me do a little rearrangement. We made enough room to put the lighter, or the empty ones there. And by the way, gang, thank you for the follows. Thank you for the subs, gang. Salut. Merry Christmas, happy holidays. Pomongranit liqueur. And this one is, I think it's the darker one. Might be the lighter one. I can't tell though. Let's put this guy here. This is the lighter one. Let's put the lid back on this. Get on the side. I'm rooting for dark. We've gotten a lot of light. I might have, we've got a bunch more up top here, so those might be the darker ones. We'll see, we'll see. The light one's super delicious as well, by the way. I'm gonna switch up the knife here, gang, because it's gotten sticky to the end here. Or sorry, 500. 250. What we might do is a whole bunch of 250s. How many more we got? No, we're still good. We're still good. We wanna make sure we got a lot of 250s to give away as gifts. And ideally 125s as well, but running out of 125 drawers. Need to get some later. I think I had a little bit of honey spillage on the ground. We'll have to give everything a wipe later. Let's see what this is. Let's see what this is. So far, we've cracked open. One, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight jars. And three have been dark and five have been light so far. This is eating spillage. Fantastic one. Well worth it. Let's do, just gonna fill this up. This is like a fancy-mency bottle. We'll do that one later. Let's do, does it have? Actually, no, let's do this one. Should have enough to fill that. Let's put the lid back on this. This one's lighter. Excellent, excellent. Now I need some honey all the time. Everybody needs honey. If everybody ate honey in the world, I think it would be like Winnie the Pooh and all chill. Happy in search of honey. Let's put the lid on this. We'll add a little spillage there. I'm gonna give that a wipe. I know where it is. The honey, let's do it. Look at all this honey. Salute gang. I hope you have lots of amazing honey to eat for many years to come. We've got five more buckets to go through. Oh, we've got spillage on this side. This guy's outside, so we pour it there. Let's do it a little bit more. Little sticky. Fan, James Bond, how are you doing? Hi, what's up? Oh, honey. I want to have some bees in my garden. Yeah, that'd be awesome to be a beekeeper, really. I've had friends that have been beekeepers. Could be a lot of work. What makes the honey dark instead of light? It's just whatever the original source material was. For these ones, the darker honey is maple, spruce, and fur. And the lighter honey is basically, what was it called? Salal, salal berries. This one is dark. This is flipped. There's honey on the rag, so I'm just gonna flip it. Dark, dark. Very nice. Love how the colors are dark and light. They show up. Again, for those of you who hopped in, you didn't see the difference. Dark light, right? Very nice. Both very delicious, right? Both very delicious. This was light. This is dark. Awesome. Awesome, awesome, awesome. Let's go 500 pounds. This jar should have enough to fill this. Yeah, let's do another fancy jar. We used to have a lot of these, but we gave them all away, right? We fill it up for a jam or honey, and off they go as presents. Yeah, we could do, Robin. Color, different color or honey, right? Yeah, it varies a little bit. Varies a little bit. This would be 125 for sure. Fill it up. Don't want to short change anyone. I have gang, free assange, free assange, free assange, right? We've got three more buckets to go through. Salut, Merry Christmas. And don't forget gang, after we finish this stream, about an hour later, we're gonna do a comic book haul. Hour, hour and a half later, let's say. Okay, within reason. It's called an image gradient. That's what it's called, Robin. This one's light.  That's your protein right there. Eat the bees. The bee, is it called larvae? The little bee babies? For one understand, the wasps attack the beehives for the bee larvae, for the bee babies.  Oh, I heard about that, that pooping in the front. I'm just gonna read this, fan James Bond. In France, bees have discovered that pooping in the front of the beehive protect them from wasps. I heard that as well. That was super cool, super cool, right? So smart, so smart. And they're basically, I think what happened is, scientifically, what's that's considered is, the bees are using a tool. So bees are using their poop as a tool. That's crazy. Now we have insects, and we probably always have had, using tools, so smart, so smart. Or let's say nature, nature is so smart, does what it needs to do to protect evolutionary tactics. Yeah, super cool. Check out this one. This isn't one liter jar, it's different size. It's like 750 maybe. So let's do one of these guys. Out two more, two more buckets. Two buckets, more buckets. We've got more jars and buckets right now, but that's good. 70 pounds of honey. Jesus, there's no education. Let's do, bring this out. It's so fast. Okay, wide mouth jars are good. Less probably of spillage. So this is longer. Check this out. Well, they're both the same. Actually, they're the same length, but this one is thinner. So I think this is 750, this is one liter. You know what, let's do two of these guys. Ah, no, let's see if the next bucket is dark. If it's dark, I'm gonna do another one of those ones. Let's do 500 mil. Let's do, we do two, let's see if we can do two, two fifties. Seriously, got filled to the rim. If it does it, oh yeah. We got one more bucket. Let's do, let's do, let's do, let's do, let's do. Let's see what we got. Now remember gang, after this stream is done, an hour, hour and a half later, we're gonna do a comic book haul video. Comic book haul stream, okay. I'm rooting for dark for this one. I'm rooting for dark. I was either buying a new house or 75 pounds of honey. We went with the honey. We went with the honey. I'm rooting for dark. Let's check it out. Light, light. Hopefully that wasn't too loud for you guys. Let's do, let's do one more of these guys. The tall one, skinny one. We got a couple of, a handful more buckets over here. Those ones might be darker ones. So we'll see once we get to those ones at some point.  Just because we like to give them away as gifts. Let's see if we can do four in a row beside each other. Are we risking it? We are risking it. Oh, hold on. I got one here and that's a fancy, fancy jar. We'll do this one too. So we'll do three of these guys. Let's check it out. We're doing triple jars. Good stuff. We got one more, one more 250 we can do with this. The comic book haul, I don't know what time is it right now. So estimate about another hour and a half later from now. Because we're almost to the end of this stream. So anywhere between an hour and a half to two hours. Okay, I have to go to the post office and grab one haul. I got a notice that it came in. We can do one more, one more 250. We can do one more 250, let's do one more 250. That's good. There's a lot of honey here. If I had a 125, we could do a 125 as well, but we don't. Look at this. Nice, woo. How much jar do we get in here? We have a bunch of jars left, but that's okay. Check it out. Check it out, check it out, check it out. We have a bunch of jars left over, but that's okay. That's good. Enough presents for a year, right? That's where it's at. That's where it's at. And there's probably, I don't know, probably around 500 mil left in these ones that we'll have to scoop out, right? But I'll deal with these later. They're gonna be messy dealing with this stuff. Should we do a little color thing? Do you have a laser? You could play with the honey refraining. Oh God, wow, that's a great idea. Then think about it. Didn't think about it. That is super cool. Oh, we got honey here. Let's see if we can do sort of a color thing. I don't wanna mix up the honey. I like the way that they're, what do you call it? They're organized to a certain degree. That's about the same. See, it's about the same. You need a laser. Let's see. Basically, it's two different types, Matt. This is it. Don't mix them. I don't wanna mix them. I want each bucket to be their own, right? And they're all a little sticky, so I don't wanna mess it around with the stickiness of it. I'll have to come here and give the place a, I'll do it after the comic book stream. I'll do it after the comic book stream. Pink Floyd laser show using honey. Nice. Let's put this guy back here. And this guy back here. Very nice. Gang. That's our honey stream. How's this? Is this clean? This is clean. Let's do this. We're gonna bring our mouse here. Nice. This is clean. This is clean. So, so much things you can do with so many things you can do with honey. So many things you can do with honey. One of the best is eating it with a spoon. Like literally. Thanks a lot. My pleasure. My pleasure. Thank you for being here. Fantastic. So gang, let's see. And free assange, free assange, free assange. We got a new Uncharted days. Let's see what this is. Send thanks. What do we got? 2020 takeout, 2020 takeout. Uncharted days, how you doing? Thank you for the Twitch Prime sub, brother. Appreciate it. Hi, Cheecho. Merry Christmas. Merry Christmas to you as well. Merry Christmas to everyone, gang. See you soon. Two live shows in one day. I won the lottery. I got a comic book on. 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There's a huge libertarian streak that runs through the tattooing community because we don't like being told what to do.  It's a way to sort of stick a claim on yourself. Paul Smith co-owns Red Stag tattoo in Austin, Texas. He's been tattooing me since 2017. I really like working with Paul because he specializes in the type of style that I really love. I love American traditional. When I first got interested in tattooing it was very generic millennial girl hipster type stuff that I was into, lots of fine detailed line work, the sort of things that you see on Pinterest that are really trendy.  That stuff is not nearly as respected in tattooing world and he sort of showed me the ropes a little bit more about what is actually regarded highly in this industry. The tattoo industry was hit super hard by pandemic restrictions, even in Texas. So Paul, what happened to Red Stag tattoo in March 2020? COVID hit. We saw our business sort of dissipate almost immediately. People were scared. So we shut down our shop before it was mandated, thinking that that was the right thing to do, send everybody home.  And that was tough. That cost us all of our shop savings, all of our personal savings. I own the business with a business partner. We both were kind of wiped out financially. How much money did you guys ultimately lose out on in terms of lost rent or lost sales? Well, because we depend on appointments plus people coming in off the street to do walk-in style tattoos, it's a little bit of a moving target. If you add up all of the employees here and what they generally make, we probably lost somewhere around a quarter million. And yet Smith and his business partner decided not to apply for money from the federal COVID relief program, which was rife with fraud and in which the federal government handed out about $800 billion to millions of small businesses. The bill ultimately cost taxpayers between $170,000 and $257,000 for every job saved over 14 months of the pandemic, according to a National Bureau of Economic Research working paper. I didn't get unemployment. I didn't get anything. I just used my own savings as did Caleb. And yeah, we just made it work on our own. We didn't look to our landlord to be lenient on us. We knew that they needed rent just like any landlord would need rent. So we just made it happen. In May 2020, Texas's Republican Governor Greg Abbott allowed hair salons, gyms, and other personal service providers to reopen. They took us out of that classification and put us in with businesses like titty bars and things like that. Ohio also excluded tattoo shops from the state's reopening plans, which may have been a violation of their First Amendment rights. Both state and federal courts have recognized tattooing as a constitutionally protected form of free expression, noted reasons Damon Tattooing started to shed its reputation for degeneracy in 2005, when the reality show Miami Ink premiered on TLC, running for six seasons. Kat Von D, one of the stars of the show, also became a successful model and makeup entrepreneur following her breakout role. Today, celebrity icons like Joe Rogan, Justin Bieber, Rihanna and Lena Dunham are heavily inked and tattoos have become much more accepted in other realms of the music and film industries. Do you look at this like democratization of tattooing as a generally good thing, or do you look at it as something that perhaps waters down tattoo culture? Well, as a tattoo shop owner and somebody who makes my money doing it, you know, the more people that want them, the better, right? It's not a shocking anymore. Maybe that's a good way because I, every now and then I will land in a place where there are no tattooed people at all and it's not a city like Austin where everyone has tattoos and you definitely can tell that someone is uncomfortable when they're around you. Just, you know, they don't understand it. Still a little bit of a stigma surrounding like, like I don't have my hands tattooed and that's for a reason of like my body's not totally covered up with tattoos. And in the tattooing community, it's there's like a little bit of a taboo around getting these ultra visible areas like hands and neck tattoo. Again, I think it does depend on sort of the generation that your tattoo artist comes from, right? Like the younger guys and ladies coming into the the industry are going to be way more open to allowing you to jump onto your hands and neck before you have sort of significant coverage. But you wouldn't let me get a hand tattoo. I probably wouldn't. I haven't earned it yet. I haven't earned my stripes, you know. But, you know, it's the day you allow me to be like have a little bit of sort of a methodology to the whole thing. You get your body done first.  Although I have done some face tattoos, but it was always on people that literally had no other room left but their face. Yeah, I know a few people now who are my age who have little dainty hand tattoos, but they have very little other stuff. And I just think like, hmm, I can't get away with that. Paul would never in a million years let me do that. We call that the hipster body seat. You get your hands and neck done first.  I'm proud of the floating sleeve that Paul has helped me create over the years. All of my tattoos have been done in the American traditional style.  It's not too painful. I'm pretty used to this. I honestly get pretty relaxed when Paul's tattooing me and just generally feel at ease. I could probably fall asleep most of the time, you know, to get really in the zone and you're sitting for a while. And there's my newest sparrow. What do you know, maybe the next 20 years of tattooing look like? You're going to see people sort of start to infuse lots of technology into tattooing. I do know that they make a little bitty sort of chip that you can have put under your skin and it will radiate a color. They haven't figured out images yet, but you can, you know, you could turn your shoulders green or something like that. I think there will be a certain amount of people who will sort of, you know, try to develop that end of it. The thing I really struggle with is the whole idea of a government official designating what's essential and what's not essential because you sort of don't know what brings people value. And also, you know, it's not just from the consumer side. It's also like tattooing is an essential thing for you in your life. Because everyone's income is essential, right? Yeah, everyone's job is essential to them. Yeah. Yeah, for sure. It felt very unfair. It felt very unfair. I got my sparrow from Paul looking pretty good, not feeling too bad. Pretty fun being able to fork over a little bit of money sort of post pandemic after a lot of restrictions have been eased and get something I'm really happy with. I'm really hoping to come back and frequent Paul a little bit more. And I'm hoping that coming COVID waves don't ever shut down his business again.


Aloha everyone and welcome to another episode of Hawaii Together on Think Tech Hawaii. I'm your host Kelea Akina, president of the Grassroot Institute. If you live in Hawaii then you know that everything is expensive here. Everything costs so very much and there are many many reasons for this but one of the reasons that residents mention most often is the high taxation rate here in the state for people who live here and many people are actually shocked when they find out how much we pay in taxes. It's often one of the reasons why Hawaii has trouble attracting and retaining certain professions and industries and that's especially difficult for us now in the aftermath of the Lahaina fires where we absolutely have taken a huge hit in terms of the personal toll of the fire and not only that the economy. So taxes is something that is all the more relevant to us today. For that reason I've gone to a gentleman on the mainland to ask for his expertise in this matter, Andrei Yushkov. He is my guest today and he covers tax policy in his role as a senior policy analyst at the Tax Foundation Center for State Tax Policy. We've done a lot of work with the Tax Foundation at least the national organization and I'm so glad that Andrei can join us today. Welcome to the program Andrei. Thank you Kaylee for having me and I would be happy to answer any questions about tax policy in Hawaii. Well Andrei my colleagues are quite impressed with you. They met you at a recent conference and said I definitely need to talk with you about our tax policy. You're in an interesting position from Washington DC. One of your jobs is to actually study the tax policies of the state of Hawaii. But first before we get started tell me how you got into this line of work.  Well not quite like that but still well I was born in Russia and then I studied in many different places in Russia in Germany in the United States of America where I got my PhD from Indiana University. But well before I came to the United States I was doing some policy work. I participated in several international development projects and they were all on public financial management at the state and local level. So I was doing research policy expertise in a variety of different in several different countries and I love working with the state and local governments exploring their tax policies and I think the United States is an excellent place for that because again you have a very competitive version of federalism here so states compete among each other and they have a completely different tax regimes. So it's quite interesting for me to to be in this role and to analyze to compare different states to study best practices worst practices and make some policy recommendations to the states. Well that's a fascinating background you have your perspective from the international level to the Hawaii level as well as you study the tax systems of the different states. So let me just ask you this right at the start. What did you mean when you talked about federalism that that's a very interesting word and it's a very important word when it comes to understanding how taxes and people work in their relationship with the government. When you talked about that what did you mean. So to me as a public finance analyst federalism of course means fiscal federalism. So by fiscal federalism I mean this complex assignment of different functions to different levels of government and also horizontally. So how different states and localities structure their tax policies how they interact with federal government and also how they decide what to spend on. So it's again this complex public financial issue and in America well the system is much more competitive than for instance in Germany or in Russia because there they do have a version of corporate federation where the federal government's role is much more important in price to equalize fiscal capacity across different regions or states and in the United States it is not the case. So states actually compete for human capital they compete for physical capital money resources etc and they do it in a very expert fashion. As I understand it our constitution of the United States protects the rights of states in terms of what is meant by federalism that certain powers and only that certain powers and only those powers are delegated to the federal government and the others are actually left with the states themselves. In terms of tax policy it looks sometimes as though we've reversed that direction and in many cases it feels that the federal government is getting the lion's share of the benefit of tax policy here in the United States. But we'll move on from that and let me ask you a bit about Hawaii. You look at states across the nation how would you compare Hawaii's tax policy in a general sense to the tax policies of other states in the United States? So Hawaii of course is a little different from all other states because it is not a mainland state. Still there are some similarities and some differences between Hawaii and many other states. Of course one of the most important taxes everywhere is the individual income tax and unfortunately Hawaii is not very competitive from that front specifically because many states have recently implemented policies to lower tax rates and to improve the tax structure with respect to the individual income tax. And Hawaii right now it has one of the highest top marginal income tax rates in the country. It's actually second to to California. Andrea if I might interrupt just briefly I just want to make sure that our audience is following us. When you talk about the top marginal income tax rate with respect to our tax rates in Hawaii and the brackets that we're in could you pause for a moment and explain how that's determined. What do we mean by that? So the top marginal income tax rate applies to the last dollar of your income. So basically if you earn if you are a single individual who files a single tax return then if you earn more than $200,000 then in Hawaii actually 11% is applied to the last dollar of your income. So this is the top marginal tax rate and actually this rate the top marginal tax rate is one of the highest in the country at 11%. So again in California it's 13.3 but it applies well it doesn't well sort of it doesn't apply to to income of say $200,000. It applies to only incomes above $1 million. So again with respect to the tax bracket system in general Hawaii is less competitive than many other states because Hawaii has 12 brackets and this is quite unique and it creates of course complications and well the tax code in Hawaii is pretty complex and this is this is one of the problems that definitely needs attention. Well I often hear the complexity of our tax code from two different audiences. One audience is those who are coming to Hawaii and discovering particularly those of higher income and the other audiences those who are leaving Hawaii over the last several years we've had a large exodus of our people one of the highest rates in the nation and when we interview them one of the most common reasons they give second or third to the cost of housing is the high tax burden. Now is this something that you hear commonly across the country or is this unique to Hawaii? Absolutely and we have done some research on that and it turns out that of course when people make those relocation decisions in a high mobile economy which we have right now well they have a variety of factors right that factor. So one of these factors is of course taxes in particular income taxes also property taxes sometimes sales taxes but in general income taxes are very important and we see this recent trend that people tend to relocate to those states which do not impose income taxes at all states like Florida, Texas, Tennessee, Washington state or to those states where they do have a flat income tax and where they have pretty simple income tax systems. So I would say that of course there are many other factors that affect those systems including the cost of living in general including the cost of housing and many tears right so the tax benefits package but taxes are quite important and you see that people move away from California, from New York, from Illinois even though Illinois has a pre-competitive tax system compared to New York but they move to Florida, Texas, Tennessee and other states with simpler tax systems. Often in some of the states you mentioned the discussion of taxes the relative benefits in some states and the burdens in other states is discussion amongst those who are partisan in nature Republican versus Democrat sometimes states are called blue states or red states with respect to their tax policies or the friendliness of their policies. That discussion generally doesn't take place in a large way here in the state of Hawaii because we are predominantly of a single party yet during the last legislative session our governor Josh Green proposed a sweeping tax plan and I take my hat off to him for some of the recommendations he made. They weren't all accepted and one of those items that wasn't accepted was quite revolutionary for Hawaii and that would be to have indexed states' tax brackets personal exemption and standard deduction to changes in inflation. That may be a best practice in some states but it's just unheard of here. Our legislature was not in favor of that. What would be the pros you'd say of that? What would be the benefits to Hawaii of inflation indexing and tell me whether there are some other states that have experienced benefits from doing that? Yes absolutely this is a very important recent trend as well so many states now well states that do have do impose taxes on wage income most of them now index different tax provisions including tax brackets the standard deduction personal exemption index them for inflation and this has a reason behind that because what you want to prevent in this case you want to prevent unlegislated changes and unlegislated tax increases for those people right so I did some simple analysis for Hawaii I did some tax simulation for our discussion today and it turns out that well the median household income is quite it remained pretty constant over the last five years right so from 2016 to 2021 in nominal terms the median household income increased from $72,000 to about $82,000 in real terms right in inflation adjusted terms it was pretty costly so of course well working families working individuals they increased they had those raises say color adjustments right so their wage was adjusted for inflation but as a result they experienced now higher effective tax rates so at the median again working family of two they now well say inflation 21 they paid $700 more in state income taxes than they did in 2016 so it's quite a significant change right because there were no legislated changes in those tax schedules in those tax brackets in the standard deduction or personal exemption right but still they do have to pay more now than they did five or seven years ago so this is one reason why we encourage states to index tax brackets as well as the standard deduction personal exemption for inflation because in this situation can be harmful situation can be prevented what is the trend among states how many have started to index according to inflation so right now again it's important to understand that 11 states they have a flat income tax rate right so they have well a single tax rate and it is a very simple tax system that kicks and nine states do not tax wage income at all among other states 14 states do have well two index either tax brackets or tax brackets and standard deductions for personal exemptions for inflation and you see that in total it's already 34 states and in that case Hawaii is very far behind most of those states and again states that have a flat income tax system they do not have to index tax brackets for inflation because they technically do not have tax breaks right they apply a single tax rate to all in right or most most well I certainly I certainly hope the awareness in our Hawaii population of growing inflation particularly for housing and for food actually for everything that matter I hope that that growing awareness will make people all the more open to the idea of indexing for inflation but at the same time there are some criticisms that have been raised to this and as I mentioned before the governor's bold proposal did not pass well what is your response to some of the critics who feel that this would not be a good move for Hawaii well I believe this move does not have many cons of course if your GDP is not growing right if your personal income in the state is not growing then adjusting those tax brackets for inflation will lead to lower tax revenues but of course tax revenues need to be a function of economic growth right as your economy grows and you can expect to to benefit from it as a state in that case I mean if your economy is growing if personal income is growing and if that is your target then adjusting for inflation will not well complicate the the system right so your revenues will still stay constant or will even slightly increase as a result so I guess the focus here should be on improving the prospects of economic growth by maybe lowering some taxes including the immediate tax and then thinking about inflation indexing because because it will help working panelists and many other families in that case as well but then I mean tax revenues can steal the relative profit even to adjust for inflation well Andre I couldn't agree with you more it just does not make sense to punish people for not earning the money they need to earn in order to get government more tax dollars what we really need to focus on is stimulating the economy we need economic growth we need higher revenues those higher revenues will logically produce higher tax returns for the government and that should be the aim of all of us instead of working counter productively toward that now let's talk a little bit about the impact of federal tax policy on Hawaii there's a term that is used frequently that I would appreciate you explaining to our audience called full expensing and how how in the world does that work in Hawaii so full expensing again now we talk about corporate taxes right so we are very much in paper of full expensing because when a particular term invests in well physical capital it proves it's well capital something to produce their goods and services right in the current system well again the current system has changed with the tax cuts and jobs act this act of 2017 and allowed full expensing right and some states conform with the federal legislation in that in that respect but unfortunately the tax cuts and jobs act and unless some of these provisions are extended by Congress it will phase out in 2025 it actually hasn't really started phasing out and in this case we actually recommend the states to well to make full expensing permanent at the state level and this would allow companies that invest in technologies right invest in new machinery equipment to deduct those capital expenditures from their tax base full rate and this is quite important for businesses for companies in particular manufacturers Andre if Hawaii as a state adopted full expensing regardless of what the federal government does what benefit would it bring to our economy and to the businesses if we did again that's a great question again we expect that it will incentivize investment and investment as we know all economists know that investment is one of the primary drivers of economic growth so if you have a way to incentivize investment to incentivize investment in manufacturing then of course you can expect your future economic growth to excel so this would be one very important benefit of this particular provision one of the laws that was passed most recently in the recent legislative session had to do with allowing businesses in the state to lower their federal taxes by getting around state and local tax caps or deduction caps as we refer to them could you explain a little bit about this and in particular how that work around has benefited other states and how it might benefit Hawaii right so first of all I would like to advertise the Grasswood Institute because John Helton has a very nice piece about well this specific salt cap work around in Hawaii and those recent changes so I encourage everybody interested in tax policy in Hawaii to read his piece on that but in general the salt cap well is a very important federal provision right so people usually when they file their federal tax returns they have an option whether to use the standard deduction or to itemize their deduction right and typically when they itemize their deductions one of those itemized deductions is the state and local tax deduction so people who pay a lot in state and local taxes they can deduct a particular amount of money from their federal tax base right from their adjusted crossing the tax cuts and job tax again kept these salt deductions at $10,000 so this was an important change but the IRS nowadays it allows those states that have high state taxes to implement those work grounds and Hawaii was one of the states that implemented that so it is important for not for all business but specifically for past through entities right so past through entities including as corporations partnerships they definitely benefit from this work ground because they now need to pay less in federal taxes however we believe that this is well this violates the principle of neutrality unfortunately because it doesn't treat everybody as equals right it creates these preferential treatments for past through entities and it doesn't create the same preferential treatment for wage employees right wage earners and C corporation so again it may be beneficial for a subset of individuals but you need to understand who is included in this subset of individuals right and usually when we talk about itemizers well people for itemize those are people who earn relatively high weight or business income as well so this work around may be very helpful for as corporations partnerships etc but we need to understand the whole structure of your economy and if this is only say 15 percent of your well combined business in Hawaii then maybe it's it's good for them but but it's not good for all businesses and for all people who file their taxes right you know talking about the complications of the impact of tax policies on those at different levels of income raises a philosophical question and I'm wondering if I can just throw this out to you there are many here in Hawaii who are averse to any benefits that businesses or higher income individuals get in terms of tax reform and say that that does not benefit those at the lower income levels that it doesn't really trickle down it doesn't really help the populace but instead there's the robin hood effect that and in other words they propose the solution should be to take from the rich and give to the poor what are some general thoughts you may have about the the equity involved here and the issues that people address when they look at benefits that may occur to those at the higher income levels or at business levels so again I would say that the individual income tax system in Hawaii is progressing and maybe it is overly progressing again compared to some other states right and you have to compete for human capital and you mentioned that well people unfortunately leave Hawaii because of its tax policy in particular right so I would say that it's the tax system that you now have it is already progressing it already takes more from the rich than from the poor and you also have the standard deduction that unfortunately is not indexed for inflation and personal exemption and those provisions actually help well people who are relatively poor so I would say that from the perspective of equity well the state of Hawaii is actually very high on this rank but again if it comes at the cost of future investment then again it can be dangerous for future population growth for future economic growth and it can have many other detrimental effects unfortunately recently you wrote on throwback rules as we close quickly in the next moment would you care to say anything about that and how these may work in Hawaii so the throwback rule is an important provision again in the corporate income tax code and well those provisions are now frequently being repealed in many states and there is a reason for that again the corporate income tax system is very complicated so you need to make a small example here right so consider you have a firm in Hawaii and this firm sells goods and services not only to the residents of Hawaii but to other states as well and then the question is about the portion of corporate income of this particular firm right so you have a complicated different types of apportionment rules and some of them are more efficient than others and also you have these throwback rules so throwback rules were intended to tax nowhere in so for instance if a firm sells something to a particular state where this income is not taxable because the firm does not have a next in that state then the idea was to throw this income back to the tax base of Hawaii right and unfortunately these rules may lead to overtaxing corporate income so for some firms it may lead to taxing more than 100% of their corporate income and that is the reason why many states actually repeal those rules well thank you Andre this has been a fascinating conversation and I appreciate your work your expertise and what you do with the national tax foundation thank you for your consultation with us at grassroots institute good having you on board thank you very much and thank you for having me my guest today has been Andre Yushkoff who happens to be a tax policy specialist at foundation or at the tax foundation the national organization and we're just grateful for his work thank you for being with us today I'm Kili Akina you're watching think tech Hawaii's Hawaii together until next time


I am Dr. Bharath K. Kadadi, consultant, hand, wrist and brachial plexus surgeon, practicing in Bengaluru for the last two decades. I am associated with Manipal Hospital in Malaysia for more than a decade now. So hand is functionally one of the most important parts of the body, economically and functionally the most important parts of the body because without hand you just can't do anything in your day to day activities. Imagine a single finger or the part of the hand or wrist is injured, you cannot use it to your day to day activities like brushing your teeth, washing your face or even having your breakfast, it becomes so difficult. So wrist is a complex joint because it has got a polyaxial range of movement in a polyaxial direction. So you have got flexion, that is wrist flexion, wrist extension, ulnar division, radial division and circumduction. Any person in his lifetime moves the wrist for more than 5 to 10 million times so you know how important it is, how stable it is and remember if anybody complains of any pain in the wrist joint becomes extremely difficult to carry out the routine activities. And the common causes for pain in the wrist are mainly it can be classified into the radial sided pain towards the radius that means towards the thumb, the radial sided wrist pain or it could be a central causes of wrist pain that means in the center or it could be the along the little finger the ulnar sided wrist pain that is the common causes, the radial sided, the central causes or the ulnar sided wrist pain. The radial side causes commonly you might have seen people with overuse of the wrist they can develop what you call decreased sinusoidalities, people using the computer for long hours, people doing you know bowling activities, usage of the basically hand not day to day household activities like you know housemaker using her hand frequently for cooking and so many other activities at home. They can develop what you call a decreased sinusoidalities where the extensive tendons to the thumb can get impacted here because of the band and then compression causes pain. That can be excruciating pain, many times it needs rest, injections or you know physiotherapy and if it does not work then we do a released surgical release. Then other causes of pain and numbness in the hand and wrist is basically the carpal tunnel syndrome where there is a compression in the median nerve in the wrist region because of the molar carpal ligament this can be seen in people with hypothyroid or people working with computer for long hours, in people working with vibrator and missionary they have severe pain and numbness in the night, they just cannot sleep. So, when you ask them one simple thing one simple diagnostic aspect is when you ask them doctor cannot sleep because of severe numbness and pain that's the moment you say that you know that this is a median nerve which can be compressed. So, we confirm that by doing a nerve conduction studies which will confirm the compression of the median nerve and then if it is so bad that it does not subside with medicines and physiotherapy then we do a minus surgery called carpal tunnel release surgery where release the band compressing the nerve and the best compliment you get is the patient the next day after surgery the patient tells you doctor I had the most peaceful sleep in so many years. And with going to the next level we also do it what you call endoscopic carpal tunnel endoscopic we so the minimally invasive technique as you all know that other scopy and endoscopy where you put in a needle attached to a camera inside the joint similarly we pass in a scope under the carpal tunnel and then there is an endoscopic knife we just release the band that's called endoscopic carpal tunnel release. So, the other common conditions in the wrist are you can have patients with scaphoid fracture very common you see patients developing fall on the outside hand fall while playing cricket or any sports activity for that matter landing on the it's called fall on the outside hand. So, one of the commonest injuries is at the base of the thumb the trapezius or the scaphoid this latest fractures. So, when you have a scaphoid fracture the most interesting part of this is it get missed out in the initially 1 to 2 months it just gets missed out because many of us think it is sprain or it you be able to do your activity with mild pain and then when the pain comes back 2 to 3 months later then you know you do an X-ray and have a look then the fracture by the time it would already gone for non-union. So, it's very important to address this pain in the wrist immediately so that you do not go in for a do not neglect this condition and go in for a non-union because once it goes for non-union the only treatment for a scaphoid is surgery where you fix this scaphoid with a screw a special screw called a headless compression screw or a Herbert screw and then aim at union because if it does not unite then it can cause trouble the whole wrist the whole wrist can go in for wrist arthritis mid-couple arthritis. The other common condition we see in the wrist is called the lunate avasclinicros of the lunate called the keen box this is seen in young individuals very common in ladies and so many medical students have operated with keen box because this can be because of the repeated stress they are undergoing or it could be because of the ulnar variance many times the wrist and the ulnar should be of equal length but sometimes what happens the wrist is longer than the ulnar the radius is longer than the ulnar it causes pressure over the lunate and they are prone for keen box 670 percent of them have a negative ulnar variance so when these conditions so often it progresses to stage 1 2 3 4 is arthritis so before they go into arthritis we can actually do a minus surgery to re-vascularize the lunate so we level the bone leveling procedures called level the radius in alum by a small osteotomy and plating and then to blood supply is a small thin like a thread no blood vessel goes into the bone with the blood vessel here you pick it up and then place it on the lunate that is called bone grafting with vascularized bone grafting technique so that is called the keen box treatment of keen box and do very well they connect to three to six months time the pain goes away and the lunate can get re-vascularized in six to eight months time and you might have seen people with playing tennis or badminton and having severe wrist pain in the ulnar aspect the ulnar side of the wrist called the ulnar side of the wrist pains very painful because it can also happen even by pulling a heavy trolley bag traveling abroad the heavy you know trolley bags and then we try to pull or even when you're parking your bike you can twist your hand called wrist strain or even when you pull or fall from the sports injuries or even a road traffic accidents so this is called a triangular fibrocartilage complex in the wrist so it takes the shock on the ulnar aspect of the wrist so this is very important so that is the ligament called the meniscus homolog where that can get injured from the bone called ulnar it gets pulled off and they have severe pain you can go on for some time mild sprains you can treat them with splinting and physiotherapy but if the ligament is torn away from the bone we do a MRI and confirm that and then what we do a wrist arthroscopy that's the latest technology we've been using for last few years now where we put in a small 2.5 millimeter needle inside the joint connect it to a camera look at the whole joint you can see the 360 degrees the whole joint in the with the help of the fine arthoscope 2.4 and 1.9 mm arthoscope and then from outside we can pass in a suture hold the pass the suture and then tighten it transfer to you can tighten it to the bone also so they get once they get the ligament is repaired you immobilize for almost 4 to 6 weeks and then physiotherapy for 4 to 6 weeks and then we have patients after TFC repair getting back to their previous level of activity like 20 kilos or 20 to 40 kilos of weightlifting cross-training those kind of activities yes some of the other common conditions in the wrist you see a bump in the wrist it's called a swelling or a bump coming from the wrist many of you when you bend or flex the wrist you can see a bump there and it goes unnoticed for months together and sometimes when it can cause pain when it grows in size or when it impinges in the joint it causes pain it's called a ganglion cyst one of the commonest swelling in the wrist joint is called a ganglion cyst it's a water filled balloon coming all the way from the joint because the capsule is torn it gets expanded like a balloon and then projects in the wrist called a water filled balloon or a ganglion cyst so if it is painful or growing in size we do a minus surgery to excise this ganglion cyst and with this let us technology of arthroscopy we can also do a pass in a arthoscope and then excise it to a arthroscopically there's a we just marginalize the ganglion and then make sure that it doesn't recur and we start immobilizing as early as 2 to 3 weeks after the ganglion excision and there are so many other conditions in the wrist like you know there can be because there are many bones involved even the conditions are also more for example you have a scapulonate dissociation where after an injury you might not have a covered fracture but you can have a ligament injury so injuries can be either bony injuries or a ligament injury when you have a ligament injury the force passing through the two bones called scapulonate so these two bones always move together so once the ligament in between these two is disrupted so the scapulonate flexes and lunate extends so they move in different directions causing a severe pain instability and left alone it can go in for arthritis of the wrist so this has to be addressed early and again they have stages of that 1 2 3 4 depending on the stage we can also do a arthroscopic ligament repair and treat if they come in late stages like stage 4 then we can take a graft passing through these ligaments and then also repeat repair and then mobilize then with a good rehabilitation or a hand physiotherapy the other conditions we see is tumor swelling in the wrist joint like you have a n-condroma coming in the capitate scapulonate or osteocondroma in the scapulonate which can impen the movements affect your deteriorated activity which can be confirmed with an x-ray or maybe you might not have to go in for further investigation like MRI scan have a look and once you know that there is a swelling coming from the particular bone like capitate or a scapulonate or a lunate then you go if it is painful you go into a minus surgery we have cured the bone putting the bone graft and they do pretty well but you have to rule out other conditions like you know the wrist joint like rheumatoid arthritis infective conditions like tuberculosis because people having nonspecific pain and inflammation all over the wrist so when you have a condition like that then you must rule out what you call rheumatoid arthritis in today's world there are millions and millions of patients of rheumatoid arthritis having pain in both the hands both the wrist joints both elbows both shoulders its symmetrical presentation commonly seen between the age of 20 to 50 years ladies is more of commonly affected than men so rheumatoid arthritis is a condition where it needs to be treated with a good medication is called a disease modifying rheumatology drugs or the biological drugs for rheumatoid which can be controlled sometimes when that stage advances to affect the joint or the cartilage then we can do in a arthroscopic cyanobacteria biopsy confirm the disease and then further process and treat it when you go in for a stage the last stage of arthritis we can always put in a freshen up the cartilage and put in a plate and put in the called wrist arthritis wrist arthritis is one of the very good surgical procedures for a very unstable and arthritic wrist so that gives excellent stability for the wrist so it's very important to keep the wrist stable so be immobilized in 10 15 years of extension and then they able to do the day to day activity so that way so wrist being complex joint and even sometimes the redo couple are the initial stages this can impinge and causes pain between the ridden scoffers so we again look in arthroscopically we can trim this bone if this bone is longer we can also arthroscopically trim this bone called wave first procedure this is called riddle stellar ductomy so many procedures which can be done arthroscopically and also by open techniques so the whole idea is to get the wrist back to pain free range of motion number one number two stability that means they should be able to get back to their previous level of activity like you know whatever lifting weight riding bike or even working on the computer and that's our aim is to in the hand and wrist clinic where we aim to a patient make the patient pain free and get back to their previous level of activity by treating the corresponding conditions in the month of august 2 2020 I visited Manipal most of the complaints of pain and numbness of the right hand and accordingly I was asked to consult Dr. Bharat Kadadi who happened to be the orthopedic surgeon who specialized in hand and upper limb surgery accordingly he advised me to undergo a surgical procedure of carpal tunnel release and arthroplasty of the first copper metacarpal joint as it had fourth degree arthritis accordingly the surgery was done in the month of September 2020 and after that the recovery process started I was advised to show my hand of progress of recovery to the orthopedic to the hand surgeon every week practically and which I did very obediently and he also had followed up my case very well and the added value was of the visit to the department of physical medicine and rehabilitation in Manipal Hospital for occupational and physiotherapy as per the instructions of Dr. Bharat Kadadi a few words about this outstanding skilled hand surgeon Dr. Bharat Kadadi to my surprise and pride he discovered me as his teacher way back in the 90s as a student of undergraduate student of my somatic college having met him I was overwhelmed and so did he also and the issue which came out it became very confident much more confident of the very this and seeing him also and as we all know the hand is a very important component of the human body meant for precision grip and being a very highly vascular structure as well as abundant nerve supply and there are nearly about 20 delicate intrusive muscles in the hand as an anatomist I would like to make my own feelings get expressed and and seeing the outcome of the surgery was a big challenge for me but having met Dr. Bharat Kadadi made me forget the possibilities of anything going to happen to me because I was very very sure that he's going to give back my hand to normalcy and really it happens. So after going through this if you have any doubts regarding the complex problems of the wrist you can always post in your questions into the chat box and then we will do our best efforts to explain the causes and the treatment options and if you like it you can share with your colleagues and friends so that you spread the message that this is a complex condition and can be treated with ease.