Hello and welcome to eFapTV. This is actually the first eFapTV format one to be released because we've had other ones that didn't release. I'm weird and no one likes me. I guess you could call this the first of the last of us. Whoa, we've shown people this format before in episodes. I just haven't had a chance to use it yet. Let's play it safe. Welcome to 2024 everybody. Oh, there you go. So weird. I feel like this one deserves a little bit of preamble, right? We got different levels of familiarity here. The last of us, the IP, the wonderful, wonderful IP that people seriously, for one entry, people adored that IP. Not bad. I believe it was Naughty Dog's most successful game, more so than even Uncharted. So then you hear about it everywhere. I remember I picked it up real late. I was like, fine, I'll play this video game. And then I was like, that was good. Question mark. And then I was like, hmm. It's funny that you say that my experience was similar. I bought it for the remaster for PS4 and I was like, that was, I really liked it, but not as much as everybody else. I just remember that was the, I had so many mechanical complaints, but I was like, I like the story a lot though. I was really bad. But yes, the story was strong, straightforward, simple, but hit a lot of beats and did so very effectively. And they're doing the, what is it? It has an archetype name like Wolfen Curb or something. That's the thing. A common, yeah. The disgruntled, jaded old man going on an adventure with a kid. Which young whip. Well, and it's funny to look back on, right? Because a lot of people said God of War 2018 is just like a blatant ripoff of Last of Us.  Our Last of Us do it again.  Well, I mean, it's kind of funny, right? Because it's the same thing where like Logan, right? People said it was ripping off children or men.  It's just like a storytelling like format. Who's saying this? Maybe that's all it is. Having watched, we just decided for the fun of it, not for anything else, to watch Kung Fu Panda. And it's just like hero's journey. Hero's journey, yeah. Just hardcore hero's journey. Really, really well done. Because it's, the reality is that simple or complicated. People want to be moved. People want to feel something. People want to learn something about themselves or about the world. So even though The Last of Us is really straightforward, it's, you know, two people traveling across America, right? To maybe like save the world. And yet so much was derived from just those character interactions between Joel and Ellie and the people that they encounter on their adventure and how the two come to trust each other and value each other. It's a really strong story. And then they, they made a sequel to it. It's so weird because like, oh yeah, that was, was that four years ago?  That was three and a half? Three years ago, nearly 2020. And The Last of Us itself is 10 years old this year. For some reason, that's easier for me to swallow than how old The Last of Us 2 is. The Last of Us 2, for some reason, feels like it's new still, no new. Oh, it does feel new. It does feel new. It doesn't feel like it's nearly three years old. And maybe it's just the deserve. It seems like Naughty Dog has been subsumed by The Last of Us to the detriment or to the exclusion of anything else that they could be making. That's kind of how it feels right now. Because The Last of Us was their last new IP and that was 10 years ago. And they used to make them way more frequently. They've been a new one every generation. And maybe they're working on a new one, but it seems like, yeah, The Last of Us has become, they're working on a multiplayer mode for two that they've been working on for like years. They did the remaster or the remake actually for the first one because they did the first one, then they did a remaster and now they've done a remake for PS5. And now they're doing the show, which Neil Druckman is directly involved in, like in a major way. To set the stage there, you've got one, a landscape of media that's not great. Most of the time you're getting a bad thing. Second part, it's an IP that was once beloved and is falling apart. And then three, it's an adaptation of a video game. But an adaptation of the video game that people loved, the one that everybody liked. Right. All I'm trying to say is that this is where we're at. And of course, discourse has followed for that being like, great, here we go again. And that's not to even include all of the weird comments about the production of this thing that have existed. It's been a strange litany of comments about video games as a storytelling medium. Their merits compared to like film and television. A lot of very dismissive remarks. A lot of dismissive remarks about video games and other adaptations. It's kind of like 2023. Arcane exists now. And I mean, that's that's like one of many, right? Obviously a varying quality, but like there was Castlevania, cyberpunk edge runners. I mean, Sonic the Hedgehog. Sonic the Hedgehog. Hey, you know. Well, because it seems like at this point we are very much in the era of, yeah, we're going to adapt video games because like the number of Sony ones, like there's a Horizon show, God of War show, a Gears of War show and film, I believe. And they're making the Bioshock TV show movie. Dude, it feels so weird because Bioshock Gears and God of War, they're all things I care about a lot. Like, depending on the. Well, it's all of that era. You know, it's like the late 2000s. That's kind of. I don't think I can take it. It's really horrible. Well, it's interesting because now we're in the era where they're getting the money, right? They're getting the money. But oh, yeah, what? Of course, there was Halo as well. Oh, yeah, there was a Halo show. Everyone has forgotten about it or they don't want to think about it all. It seems now at this point is going to be impossible not to compare the last of us, one of Sony's flagship titles and Halo, Microsoft's flagship title and like the quality of those two shows. That's going to be an inescapable conversation as is, of course, the nature of this adaptation, too. We absolutely should be getting the meme of Homer is Microsoft. Like, why does it mine look like that? Yeah, yeah. It's one fine looking barbecue pit. Why doesn't mine look like that? Well, writers and people who didn't care about Halo. I was just going to say if this is better than Halo. But the thing is that is such an easy bar to pass that I'd be very surprised, especially with the level of blueprint they've got to work with. The relevant question, obviously, with this show is isn't going to be great, which at least based on the initial critical reception seems to be like overwhelmingly positive. You've been hearing good things. Yes, from audiences as well. I've heard nothing but positive things. This seems to be it really is a situation where it seems like all of the stars are lying for something good, right? You got a lot of backing behind it. So there's not going to be any limitations by a way of what you want to achieve technically. Got a lot of great actors in the cast. One of the showrunners made Chernobyl, but then also, you know, one of the showrunners made the Last of Us part two. But he also made the first one. He made the first one too. It's the thing that probably won't be forgotten. Whatever that comes up, the old adage, what have you done for me lately? And that's the truth is what has he done lately in The Last of Us 2? But he's still made and he did work on Uncharted as well. You know, he's got a resume and there's some good stuff on that resume. Well, so that's actually one of the worries a lot of people have is that this show, it may very well take a lot from Last of Us 1, but it's going to be tweaking it until it matches The Last of Us 2 better. Yes, which is funny. That's like the right decision if you want to adapt to both of them, right? If you want to adapt the second one to actually try and logically account for it and make sense of it.  Well, it's just interesting because it's almost like, it's not a retcon, but it's almost like a meta retcon. You know, kind of like a retcon that you all want to apply on a grander level to include the video game. Yeah, people want The Last of Us to be adapted. They don't want to see The Last of Us retold by Neil Druckmann's preferences years or later. That's not what people want. We at EFAP shouldn't be surprised by this take, but if they actually did fix all of the problems in The Last of Us 2 story-wise and bound a new adapted and fixed up Last of Us 1 to match it, it involves Joel getting killed with a golf club. I'm pretty sure we said in our coverage, like, there is a way you could do that. It's going to be hard.  It's not the way they did it in the game. No, we've got examples of great heroes getting killed. It's just like the word respect keeps plowing into my mind.  You can't do it the way you did it. It's not respect. It's very bad. Lots of different things being said about this already. It's a big old conversation piece because this show isn't just a show. It represents a lot more than that. A little bit of progress in the media landscape. What will this be remembered as? Step forward, a step back, a step to the side. Who will just find out? Ah, HP. I associate them with good things because of House of the Dragon.  You're not telling me? I can't agree. Well, that's HP on max. How relevant? Oh, so that's John Hanner on the left. Oh my God, he's older. He was in The Mummy, if you guys remember. Do I know you? No, no, no. I've just got one of those faces. He was the funny brother. Oh yeah, you're right. Yeah. Man, that's... The guy on the line is Peter Beech's bureau's big head from Silicon Valley. He's a completely useless appendage, and we all know it. Oh, hey man. That's cool. I'm just having a moment of everything's so old. Yeah. Not bacteria, not viruses, so... Mushrooms. There are some fungi who seek not to kill, but to control. Viruses can make us ill, but fungi can alter our very minds. Fungus starts to direct the ant's behavior, telling it where to go, what to do. Like a puppeteer. First in the middle doesn't seem like a real person. It's like a robot or an android. He's an NPC in the background. He's a host. It keeps its puppet alive by preventing decomposition. Dr. Schoenheister in distress. He's having a bad time. Fungus is kind of surreal, but not in humans. True, fungi cannot survive if its host's internal temperature is over 94 degrees. What if the world were to get slightly warmer? Well, now there is reason to evolve. One gene mutate, cordyceps, astragillus, any one of them could be... That's the one. It is... The Lost of Us deserves a lot of credit for a really creative new type of zombie. Yeah, and I would say this is a good start, too. This is a good start. This is an interesting way of delivering this essentially exposition. So if that happens, will you lose? Oh, you would have thought you would do a funny thing. Do a joke or something, yeah. Let's hope that doesn't happen. That's never gonna happen, yeah. That's time I buy some portabella from the Krogers. What are they gonna choose to do? I don't like the title cards, they're real neat now. They put a lot of effort into them. Gotta love that theme, too. And the music, yeah. But actually, I didn't... They didn't track the composer, though. They broke back the composer... Yeah, there he is. Just thinking about Halo. Oh yeah, because Halo, they butchered it. They didn't like...  Yeah, just discarding everything else. Whereas here, they actually brought back the original composer. They brought back a lot of people. I think Troy Baker is in it. Ashley Johnson as well, in small roles. It's like, that's nice. Steve Downs didn't get anything. Based on the game. PlayStation, we can't have our MCU, but we could corner the market on video games. No, they have a PlayStation studio as MCU logo for their films and stuff. I saw it before Uncharted. It's got, like, Aloy, Ratchet and Clank and stuff in it. Oh, it was a ranked 3. Oh, yeah! That's 10 years. I'm interested. Is this... Are they starting it earlier? They're starting with the game starts, right? No, the game was 2013. Interesting. Game starts the same time as the... Like, the year it came out, so this is earlier.   Oh, that's true. Aladdin. Oh, my God, Din Djarin. It's Joel. Din Djarin, my favorite soul character. No, he's from Krypton. He's Joel. No, it's Max Lord. Pedro Pascal really isn't like the top world, isn't he? He's doing all right, I think, yeah. You know, I don't really like pancakes. I know you don't like them. That's for my benefit. Can you get your homework done? Fractions? Still, I'm giving a good listen to that accent. Oh, he's doing it. Yeah, he is. He's putting it on. Is there enough for Uncle Tommy? Oh, Uncle Tommy.  Aw, he loves you. He's dependent on me. Not the same. I'm not splitting his job. I barely want to split it with you. I'll be done by nine. By nine, right? I'll bring back a cake. I promise. I mean, I can tell he's trying, but it mostly sounds like him to me. It does, but maybe he's just not doing a super emphasized one. Your t-shirts inside out. See, this is what I was thinking, like, one of the benefits, I guess, it's again, it's just like, when you're making a video game, especially when you've got a lot of combat, it's like, well, you know, sometimes you have the challenge of how much do we have of no combat versus combat compared to how much time to extend for every minute you spend not doing combat, you're risking it. Whereas in this case, it's like, well, you can have the whole day, right? Instead of starting like right at the outbreak, you have to spend a little bit more time seeing what Joel's, you know, normal life looked like. And yeah, that watch will matter. Oh, yeah. Knife. There's something. It's so weird because I wonder when they were making this, that they were making it with the point of view in mind that everyone knows what's going to happen. They have to go back to the watch number. It's a very successful game. Yeah, like a lot of people know exactly how this goes. Kind of like how if you do Batman's origin on the watch. Oh, they're setting up the, setting up the neighbor. You know, I do really like the last of us. I do like a tier-rich little game. You know what you got? Drink it up. We got a lot of extra here. He's a zombie. Is he feeding in mushrooms? Well, because the idea in the game is that it was like disseminated through food. Yeah, Atkins' diet, Atkins was relatively, they had a popularity around then, didn't they? What, the 2000s? Happy birthday to you. Operation Desert Storm. Oh, veteran. Storm the desert? His brother seems to be harder on the accent than he is. And yeah, 26th of September, that was outbreak day. This is the day. Yeah. I thought they lived in Dallas. Did they live in Austin?  It's just, because yeah, we all been in much more time with here, I guess, than, I mean, you got 10 episodes, right? I think that's a good decision. Yeah, I think it's a really good decision. I don't see how it could be a bad one. I guess that hair's coming in handy.  I'm just waiting for the Shaun of the Dead style. Like someone falls over. Thanks for somebody to talk often. Yeah. Reports today of many people falling over. Well, it's going to be hard to talk Shaun of the Dead's montage.  Yeah. Well, cat things. That makes me think of Simpsons. That cat, I think they have a clock. Yeah. I wonder if all those clocks on the wall are correct. It must be madness staring out on the entire engine. The fire engine is to put out the fires on the mushrooms. Well, and swat him there. They're called fire trucks, but they dispense water.   Apparently they made up a whole language just for this scene. Things don't seem right. I don't like that though. The clock becomes clearer when the line comes down. Line goes down. Yeah. Doesn't make it feel so bad about closing. I'm worried about that old lady. Is everything on the news?  Like always. People out there need to get right with Jesus. Oh, God. I was thinking we'd make some cookies. Chocolate chip. Raisin. Oh, no one likes those old ladies. No one likes those. Why? Why? Why? Every raisin you bought could have been a chocolate chip purchased.  Oh, good. The raisin cookies no one will eat are done. She'll eat one of them. Grandma could eat them. Grandma, that's the only thing she she only eats raisin cookies. Everyone starts to like raisins when they get old. That's just how it works. Because they feel like they are turning into raisins. They become catapults. Hey, Mrs. Adler, could I borrow this? That's creepy. That was nice and creepy. I should go. You sure? Yeah. Well, you're checking some cookies. If you give someone raisin cookies, you're essentially saying, here, you throw these away.  Back to normal, I guess. Oh, Doggo don't trust you.  He's like, Grandma, you're not grandma. The other thing, you're making a show like this. It's always tempting to just how will you portray this world slowly showing signs of falling apart? It's weird to see jets, but, well, I guess the air is where they'd be. It's 10. Oh, no. Gave us the wrong size for the headers. Where's the cake? I'll get this one tomorrow. Thanks it for you. Did you? What? I don't hear anything. Thank you. This scene is really beat-for-beat. It's even got identical dialogue in a lot of places. Well, that's the thing. It feels weird, but it's true, I guess, to say they're doing well. It's like, yeah, you're following the guy. I think they're doing well. Yeah, I think they're doing well. Here. What's this? Your birthday? Thanks it for you. You kept complaining about your broken watch.  I think this is, it's nice, but I... I think it's stuck. It's not... What? No, no, no, no. Oh, ha, ha. Did you? What? I don't hear anything. I was lame.  Yeah, I know. Where did you get the money for this? Drugs. I sell hardcore drugs. Where'd you get the money for this? Drugs. I sell hardcore drugs. It's better when I do. Oh, good. Let me start helping out with the mortgage, then. Yeah, you wish. It was only $20, which I stole from you. Besides, it's the thought that counts. And you were never going to do it for yourself, so... Yeah, so far I'm digging it. I want to see what happens next. Well, that's the thing, right? If none of us knew anything and we watched this with zero context, that opening scene has already set the stage, isn't it? Yeah. I'm a fan of the creepy granny in the... Because he said if you don't get me out today, you won't be able to get me out at all, assuming they don't let people out on Saturdays and Sundays? Just this is off on weekends. I actually don't know. I was just curious. I don't either. I didn't know that that's a thing. I wonder if we're gonna... No, we're not. Okay, so, yeah. This is basically where... Closer to where the... This is where everything goes wrong. The game began with that scene, basically. And this is, yeah. Oh, no, aliens. Interesting, too, because this game came out around about the craze for the zombie stuff, right? The zombie era of media. And that was like walking dead was huge. They should be watching... Would they be watching Paul W.S. Anderson's Resident Evil series? I think the first one was out by then, right? Yeah. I'm sorry. That was the dog's version of Stupid Woman. Come back. Well, they said to stay indoors. The dog doesn't want to go home. You know something's up.  You can add that in. Why not? A little unsettling. That's really unsettling. The door open like that, yeah. I'm half-expecting like grandma's just staring at the wall in one of these rooms or something. Yeah, something weird. That empty wheelchair has been in two shots pretty deliberately right now. Did she be taking and getting a cell phone and calling dad? I feel like this would be enough to call him, yeah. She was asleep when he left, so she should be panicking a bit. Yeah. It was 2003, though. She might actually... Did she have a phone? Oh boy. Was there any way... Oh, okay. Yeah, I definitely would have been closing doors myself. Why would you drop that? Why would you drop that? You fool! It just saved your life. Keep it. Is he worried about the blood on it or what? We gotta go, sir. He's listening to me. It's not just the Adlers. We're gonna be brave and we're gonna get out of this. Let's go. Come on. You locked your doors now! Come on, come on. Get in.  Three fish. She was the red-edatus. You was crazy. Ed, buddy. We don't know. They're saying it's a virus. It's a kind of parasite. It's a different terrorist? We don't know. That'd be a fair question in 2003. Of course not. Yep. Dane, it's mostly people in the city. I went into the city. We have to go a lot, right? We're fine, trust me. Listen, lady. We'll just have to wing it. Hopefully we're okay, all right? Whether we got it or not, we gotta go. Oh, thank... This is what I mean. It's like, yeah, there are a lot of bits that hit one. So, like, just... Keep driving, Tommy. Keep driving. Yeah. That's important for Joel's character. Yeah, it is. Someone else will come along. By the way, just this is already so much more work for him to do than in Mandalorian. Absolutely.  Mando is nobody. They're riding a little low. They're very low. This is bad.  The sequence looking from the back seat. Wow. It's just like in the game. Turn here. Turn here. Come on, people. Move. What are they running from? Get us out of here. I'm trying. Yeah. Even I remember that. Yeah, missed pot. I can't drive through them.  Just keep going. We can't stop here, Tommy.  They're back up there. They're behind me, too. There. They're there. Hold on. Go. Wait, what? Get her out of here, Joel. Go. Surely you can go around, right? You can just go around, yeah. We can't just go around. Yeah, you can just go around. Can you can just go around. So close to the wall, he can't get over? That is incredibly inconvenient. And I feel like you could, yeah, I feel like you could go. You could go. We're in the games. They're in the games. Yeah, you can crawl over. If you're this desperate, you would absolutely jump over the trunk of a police car. Oh, geez. Close doors. Close doors. Close the door. I guess he was really close. Still, because right now you don't even know if these things are smart enough to follow you through doors. Sir. We are not safe.   You're okay. You're okay. Move your hand, baby. Move your hand. That's about everything I would expected them to do. Yep. I would not have expected them to deviate from that. Well, I mean. Really? And tell the same story. It's instrumental. This is after Godzilla. I was going to say it was Boston in King of the Monsters, wasn't it? I think so. Got nuked and then they totally pretended that didn't happen. We don't want you falling out of the chair. What's your name? How did you get this? What if I told you that after we gave you some medicine, we're going to find you your favorite food to eat? Would you like that? It's just a little needle. You're safe. I think they cut to a harsh fire after he's saying that on purpose. So did Joel say in this he was 30 something? Pull the 20 again? Well, because in the game he's about 50. So it's probably, you know, about matches or like 55 something like that. He's fairly old. No surprise here. Yep. He was infected. Yeah, because it showed red on the little detective thing in it. Yeah. This isn't in the game. Dream we're going to be meeting tests pretty soon. Yeah, I'm actually curious what we are going to see in total first episode. In what, like this episode? Yeah, because hour and a half. My guess would be that we're going to get basically Joel and Ellie meeting. And then like episode two, I imagine is them leaving Boston. I reckon season ends with the end of the game. I think so. That would be, which I guess is interesting. That seems like a safe bet. How long can you keep it going? I suppose is the interesting question. Because yeah, we've got the we've got two games, you know, so. One is there's a lot of things that happen in the game that you can extend. That's true. Well, it's part of kind of, I guess what's going to be interesting is an adaptation is like, I imagine that we're going to get a lot of things extended. Man, that's you execute them. There's nothing else we can do. I guess leaving quarantine zones is a huge it is. Well, yeah, if you leave and then sneak back in and you could destroy everything. If you snuck out and sneak back in. Yeah. I wonder if the first punishment should be exile. Well, then you just. Well, I think if you knew that then they might come back in. Right. If they think that's what I'm saying. First punishment, if they are exiled and come back, then maybe death. I guess the thing is, is that maybe they don't want to take any chances. Yes. So, ah, well, it's all I didn't expect you to count. I could imagine they could be upset here and there because of family members making mistakes, you know, bartering, bring it back. It's pronounced bataring. Bartaring, bartering, like tartar sauce. I don't know where he gets from. I just know they're real. Supposedly only makes two things. Pills and bullets. The more you shoot people, the harder it is to sleep, I guess. Oh, you guess. I need the bag back. That's, I like that as a touch. That even plastic bags. Need the bag back. Yeah. Yeah. I would like that back. Pour them on that.   Guys are jumping and tired. What was he getting for that? Was it? Um, he got food credits, I think, because remember, that was in the game, right? Like the food stamps or tokens, tickets, something like that.  How about we just let it go?  You're so disciplined. What about your guy?  I'll tell him that I got jumped by some guys. He is saying everything she should say. He wants to survive this encounter. Yep. Yeah, Christ. Ooh, or what? Man, lucky that wasn't you. Well, so don't breathe that. This would be the fireflies, right? Must be, yeah. Which is incredibly coincidental. He's going to let it go anyway, I guess. Sounds like it. Wait, all of them are like knocked out, except two, okay. Oh, wow, that's lucky. I don't even know where the other guy went. I was going to say the main dude, I guess he ran off. I'm sure Robert ran off, right? Maybe or he's in the corner. Well, because remember, the deciding thing was that Robert stole their guns. Yeah, sold them to the fireflies. You know a change like how long Tess will be in this story? That's something that really, to me, depends on how you handle it. It's not like an outright wrong to me. It's going to be dependent on what they do. Count slowly and clearly from one to ten. One, two, three, four. Slowly and clearly. One, you. State your name. Slowly. Veronica. Same as yesterday. Let me out or you're going to pay, motherfuckers. Ellie in the last of us one is just so goshed on likable. Nothing. Is there any chance it's coming in at night? You're sleeping, you miss it? When I'm sleeping, Gabriella lessons on my son. The smart one, not the other one, God bless him. If Tommy responded, we'd know. It hasn't been that long. It's been three weeks. It's never taken me more than a day to respond. Show me where the tower is. Joel, it's in Wyoming. There are worse things than infected out there. The elephorneums. But you're sure Tommy's okay. It's the Cody Tower. Q bar four. But I don't know exactly what. Probably listen to his explanation. I was actually about to say, dude, you want, he's going to have the best information out of anybody, right? You're going to let him talk and explain and throw detail where he thinks you need to be good. That little circle he's made on the map, that is incredibly important down to the last little scratch. Because you might say it's probably here. But if not, you might want to check over here. Where there, you know.  I guess he's trying to figure out where word is taken. God, it's going to be a fun trip. Doles the pain. I got jumped by a couple guys. You're lying. Come on, you know these guys born after the outbreak. Never learned how to argue. They start swinging. I need the battery test. Sure, it's no good without one. And if I don't get to Tommy soon, he's going to die out there.  We got our money back and the battery. All this for such a mundane item. No, I promised Robert that he wouldn't hurt him. Ain't no mundane items in this world. That's the idea.  Sure, because I just had to, I had to replace my car battery about a week or, about a week ago. Just walked in, bought one, walked out with it. Simple as. But now it's like we're potentially killing over, having to work in car battery or imagine a charger. Or a McDonald's Happy Meal. Or a McDonald's Happy Meal. That's true.  Marlene. We've already lost four people. And we're, what's the point of this? One of them. Now see, I don't think I'd be putting the logo up on the wall. And why do you have a gray lock to the room?   You two, go to Southeast three now. That'll quell the inquisitiveness. And the fireflies being fed or anywhere. Rebellion takes time for five or 20 years and you get nowhere you're not. Why do we spray paint? Why do we do that? I can understand putting it in random places as a form of like we're here. We're moving things. But in your actual HQ. That'd be the cure, yeah. I wonder if we're gonna get much like PR because in the game like the fireflies get basically wiped out moving west. Would make sense to retcon just how much we got to learn about them if we're going to be going with the last story line. Also, they've changed stuff with Tommy because there was no like big urgent thing with Tommy. It was just go find him. He can help you out. And even it's such a tough sell. You want us to the idea that you really want to make like endear us to Joel and everything and then try and make it to the end. He was wrong in his decision. I don't know what they're going to do. I'm very curious. I don't know either. Is that how the fireflies recruit? Tell you to seek the shadow. I mean it cost us a couple of cards but we got him. I'm not sure why they didn't just have it like because with the big explosion and everything it's like it was just before it was just Tess comes back she's injured let's go get Robert. So Veronica, how you feeling? The same. A little bit down. Where are you gonna go? Back to Federer military school? They put me there when I was a baby. It's for orphans. I did.   I'm the leader of the fireflies in the Boston QZ.  Terrorist? Was Riley a terrorist? Let's see we're running out of time to do our assumed action set piece for the Robert stuff right? Ah well I guess this will be it right. Hey look they like getting down, taking off the backpack like in the video game. I think they based in the video game off real life though. Very true real life pranking, real life did happen before video games if you remember. Sometimes I won direct, sometimes I won it. It is disgusting how real life is just copied by video games. But that's the one. I think they'll go for the stealthy approach. Oh my god it's annihilation. Yeah I remember that movie. He wasn't down here last time. We need to keep him down after you. Ah well. I don't do the spores anymore. No spores in this show. Oh is that what cover up actor's faces? These are, you could argue that would be a reason is it makes things less complicated for them storytelling wise I guess. That's it though. Yeah there's less to worry about. I just, I don't know that that's a reason to stop doing it. I don't know the spores was kind of an interesting thing to have. Yeah it's interesting. There will be consequences obviously like. They have to be. You smell that? Asbestos? Gum powder, uh oh. Ooh. That's a wild bit right? Is it? I was trying to spot the face. The battery's no good. Oh. He still tried to sell it. I say we're really deviating from the game. Really we're not in a wider context but we are with how closely they were doing it before. Well yeah because this is totally different. Oh well yeah because she got shot yeah. Marlene? The war must be going pretty shitty for you to be buying from scumbags like him. Yeah it kind of has been.  Can you just not be a barbarian please? I mean I'd want my knife back but yeah it's probably not with what's going on right now. It's there, it's there like yeah I'll get it later you know. It's our business to know things. To know things.  Okay Joel. I wonder if we're gonna get any flashbacks of like Joel and Tommy because Tommy is not, he was not happy about those experiences that he had. Yeah. Let me take her. We don't smuggle people. Sorry. I can do it.  Oh I really didn't mean, I really didn't know she meant literally.  And I know what you're both capable of. What are you giving them? What are they capable of? You get her there safely. I'm gonna give you what you need. Not just a battery. The whole thing. Fueled up truck. Gun supplies all of it. Um. I swear. Yeah sorry. That's a lot of stuff. Is it really worth the price? Because they could just go on a resource adventure themselves right? Uh they could but I guess there's still a lot of stuff out there. What I'm saying is like if you go and deliver her and come back we'll get you a truck and guns and some supplies and stuff and it's like we could probably get that across like during delivering her. Probably. Well because the original thing was Robert sold them the guns and so it's like well I bought the guns for her in square so you know like. Yeah.  But before we hand her over they give us everything that we want. If not we kill her there and then. Deal. Really? Not fast.  That's that's me to this show by the way. Yeah. Yeah same here because it just there have been a few instances where the deviation is like that's like neutral and then there are parts where it's good and then there are parts where it's like seems like a worse choice. That just made you more suspicious all the way. Oh yeah.  Because remember nobody here knows who you are or that. There's nobody. Yeah nobody's looking for you. You're just a girl. No you're just a random person. Give us a minute all right. I'm guessing that because I guess we're gonna have to wait until. Can I just open the door if you wanted? She can hear them too. Who's Bill Cast as? Who's Cast? Uh it's Nick Offerman I think. That could work out. Let's hope. That could be really cool. Yeah. If this is important and she just randomly stumbled over it and it's annoying when that happens. Oh come on you knew she hid all that right? A lot of this dialogue is one to one. What are you doing? Killing time. What are you doing? Killing time. What am I supposed to do? I'm sure you'll figure that out. Well what am I supposed to do? I'm sure you will figure that out. So what's the deal with you anyway? You some kind of big wigs daughter or something? Something like that. Oh the radio came on when you're sleeping. I kept saying like wake me up before you go go. 80s means struggle. Code broken. This could be something specific we don't know. Time to go. Wonder if it actually would have been a good idea to go at night in that case. Yes. Because there's a curfew because of the firefly stuff. So they went at night instead of during the day while there's like remember how the guy said earlier they'd be jumpy. They'll be I guess they've got this pasted way. They'll go out at night because of the fireflies. It makes me think it could be fun for conversation right like what makes more sense because of course you have the cover of darkness but you also have they're on high alert so. Yeah it depends on where the in the day anyway right they'll be all over the place. Potentially yeah it depends on where you're going specifically and where the ends and outs are. You got no good choices really. Because once you're outside the wall darkness is almost certainly best. Yes and of course now it becomes clear like the reason they showed us those people getting hanged is that raises the stakes for this. Bianchi do you want to be really sparing with that helicopter? Yeah fuel for that must be precious. Yeah that's the thing fuel for helicopter is precious being able to go like a helicopter is one of the most valuable things you could possibly have. Oh I mean right after big firefly attack you know. I suppose that's the angle yeah but still. Still though like are you just like looking randomly with a with a light to literally using it just to fly over and use a spotlight. That is a huge waste of something so very valuable. Oh hey guys. Oh is he peeing? Oh it's not the friend is it? Uh man uh I was wondering if that we're gonna have this be the ending actually.  We can fix this. Oh you didn't need to show it I got it. Yeah I got it. He pulls that trigger once and a gunshot happens. And he would totally have pulled. Absolutely. This is also an interesting reaction from her there that first one that one's final. Damn don't like hurt your hand you'll need that. The gun take the gun.  They would be thinking that surely right. There'd be so much I mean maybe we're gonna get it. Next episode next episode yeah. We have to have a come to Jesus meeting yeah at the beginning of next episode. Yeah lots of stuff to be talked about. Holy that's the end what else we got. Man I would grab more if I could off that guy. So right after he left he got a radio message then. From Tommy I guess or to signify something about it. Well that sounds like it is. Oh there's the buildings. Well then. Well that wasn't bad at all. I would say that he's the rank of good. I would say it's good. It's just that there are some minor things where it's like just minor little like hmm. Yeah I need some tweaks. Yeah but not to think it's tweaks. Like the cause really strong which should be right. Yeah I'd agree. I think this is definitely good. Cause like the burst shot that takes out his original daughter I'm pretty sure that's just exactly how it is in the game and I think I even I'm even like one of the people is like I don't know how you I don't know how it's possible for you to miss but all right. You remember Frank does he get more wounded in the in the game version than in this. He's less wounded in the game version. I don't think he even gets hit. So much of this is like beat for beat very similar. But then there are a few parts where it's a little bit. If it turns out to be beat for beat almost throughout not not changing like this is strictly a hypothetical I don't think this is going to happen but if they were to do it one to one and only changing stuff for like pragmatic reasons for adaptation no reason why this wouldn't be very popular sort of got a built-in audience and then it would finally prove like maybe you should stick the source when you adapt the games. Maybe you should respect the one you're adapting has merit.  Well yeah because in this case in this case like as we saw during the opening sequence a lot of it was just take the same material but expand it don't really change it add new information sure add new scenes but like keep the the the core stuff the same because it's the same right like Joel's got the same setup in terms of what his character arc is going to be Ellie's probably going to have the same stuff too right and I imagine it's going to be yeah because Ellie consists of everybody right like Bill's going to have probably more stuff with uh with his partner Frank and then you'll probably have more for Tommy maybe Maria as well like it just seems like if this is any indication of the way that they're going to adapt it it will just be keep basically the same beats but expand them and tweak them in a little bit which compared to the likes of Halo which like radically changes the story is radically different. Well it annihilates it just it doesn't even seem like Halo at all. Well and it's why we're highlighting the spores right it's not because I love the spores and I wish the spores were here as a fan of spores it's that if you don't have spores there's a couple of things you're going to have to change in the story now. It's items of value it's things you can go places you might not be able to go items you need to have it's a sense of tension. I will say in that in this the only thing to me that seemed like noticeably different and that it will probably have major implications is seemingly the stuff with Tommy because like in the game all it was was like Tommy is off you know in like he's in Jackson he's not with like the Fireflies anymore he's not with Joel anymore you got to go find Tommy because he can help you link up with the Fireflies because of his connections like that was it whereas it seems they've got more of like a pressing Tommy is in trouble maybe which makes me wonder is it not just going to be that they get to Jackson and everything's really chill and then you know they have their little moment together. My guess is that they're setting something up as like a different plot point but I mean otherwise it's pretty pretty similar and if we didn't have any context if we were to be watching this just as a tv show I imagine right now we'd be talking about well this this you know Joel's the character he seems to be like he's he's hardened as a result of what happened with his daughter and that uh this new girl I I wonder how much I'm going to be basing it off what I know versus what I'm given would I have concluded from this one episode that this is clear we're going to be repeating do I think they've set enough groundwork to be like oh look he's got a bad relationship with this girl because he doesn't want to even risk getting close to it or am I being a bit harsh and I should wait for at least another episode before we've set that foundation it's one episode and we only spent half of it in our uh like they belly well they met each other for like five minutes yeah yeah I get what you mean because like I'm going to be it's very hard for me not to view this without always constantly like drawing my attention yeah it's tough like I gotta I gotta really separate them out as uh they are separate I guess that would be that would be the thing to clarify everything where it's like it's different I'm not like thinking that it's bad or anything I'm more just like I'm curious yeah like the tommy thing like that could be that could be a whole episode the spores it's not necessarily bad well I see what happens like you know even something that seemingly way less consequential which is just like the the whole thing with the guns versus them getting the battery and the supplies to go find tommy yeah it's just different like whether or not it's it's a better or worse change I think I think the only things would be like man that it was the same guy that you bumped into like out there when in the game it was just two random soldiers it's like that's very coincidental though I guess it's pretty inconsequential it didn't seem to make much of a difference right like there's a couple of coincidences of like I would call them mid they are mid coincidences in terms of impact yes some of these yeah they're not they don't destroy anything but they're not exactly small this is they wouldn't be cool well and I guess it's really interesting because it's like the game didn't have those so like you changed it and kind of added coincidences where they didn't really exist in the game yeah and part of the trouble is that I guess we need to wait a little longer before we can be definitive because it might be an aid of something we don't know yet in terms of what story they want to tell or there's more information that we'll get to contextualize some of these things better who knows yeah yeah there's not much to there's not much to be critical of really by way of like what's happening with the plot because we barely started yet and otherwise in terms of character I feel like you know like with each scene we've gotten a pretty good read of every person you know like by the end of this episode this might be the very first proper archetype of what people want when you adapt from a game to a tv show um and yeah kind of crazy right it's like oh surely arcane is like no no arcane arcane's not the same thing it's it's like a really great tv show that uh is inspired by legal legends this is practically telling the same story but again yes it's it's more of a direct adaptation because when you run the game but it's like and hey we compared to the other Naughty Dog thing Uncharted's very different it has Nate and it has Sully but doesn't have Elena doesn't have the same El Dorado like Central doesn't have the same villains doesn't have the same dynamics or interactions at all it's it's very different whereas in this case it's the same plot it's just like minor changes and variations and there's not a lot of video game adaptations that'll like that that are directly doing mortal combat was not really directly like pulling any story from any mortal combat game kind of pulled bits and pieces and of course Halo was like not even fucking close like totally different well that's kind of the thing right you'd be like they should theoretically be four results ones that are the unfaithful but you know well executed so yeah arcane unfaithful and badly executed halo faithful and badly executed is that have we got one for that i i don't think we've got one for that there were not many faithful video game adaptations they just aren't um at least they haven't been for a while they just yeah that's the thing that's the that's the reality we've been in for so long they just don't care when you adapt someone like Resident Evil it's like what do i take it zombies mansion yeah that'll do yeah and then of course it's because when i'm thinking about other examples it's like Castlevania is kind of like its own thing like i don't think that one was retelling it was kind of like a it pulled characters right but different scenarios and then edge runners is like adjacent it's like set in the same universe but it's not an adaptation of 277 what about that pac-man movie with Adam Sandler oh pixels yeah everyone loved that right that's right they did everyone did love that one yeah and then of course you have this other ones i'm getting as well then you'd have faithful and good and that is what i would rate this right now well this episode for sure you know what's crazy is that there are people who if they loved last of us enough can be like this fucking shit isn't faithful have you seen how much they fucked it i'd be like yeah see everyone's gonna draw a line differently like i guess the thing is i feel like i've got my references and it's like there are a lot of lines that are just like identical your watch is broken your watch is broken you mumble in your sleep you mumble in your sleep um one it really depends on how you do it right because like if it was how much does it stay one to one it's like well okay it doesn't in a lot of ways but like this the spirit is absolutely we know exactly what we're getting from this it's gonna be what the point of the game is you're gonna be okay all right baby baby maybe listen to me i gotta get you off come on baby please i know baby i know i know baby no i know i know i know i know i know i know i know tell me help me the fact that they were even trying to like mirror the vibe or the atmosphere of specific moments in the game with the framing right like in the car where it's very much because i mean they did the same thing right in the game sarah is the pov character in the uh in the opening and then it kind of transitions gradually over to joe and they did the same thing to and like it feels very deliberate it's weird to see that kind of thing with the comments that came out before this thing you released what are you what are you thinking of ones about storytelling in video games you got you got a vibe oh i guess yeah right it's like why were you like it it seems maybe that maybe that's the new drachman influence of trying to like inject this stuff from the game that he worked on it may be i'm not sure it's i mean it's always gonna be hard to say right it could just be the man was saying some stuff that didn't translate well slash he wasn't explaining himself too well just take for example the whole like oh you can reset a whole thing because it's a video game and that'll ruin the your investment blah blah blah you could imagine if he was given like an hour to explain entirely what he means he could be like a lot of the time in cutscenes we do it because it's really hard to have something bombastic or significant drama happen and then like reset because you died or you didn't press the switch or you didn't do so we usually cordon those big moments off to cut scenes so that they are like that's one of the many reasons why that might happen so you can't fuck it up and you're further you are permanently progressed you don't see that twice you don't see something like his daughter dying twice because you didn't kill enough guys at one point that's done and then it could be like and that's what we're doing in the tv show now it's going to be every moment is one you see once and so we can further focus on like that aspect that gaming does really well but i'm saying this is if it's even close to something he might think i don't know i'm just going from the fact that i've seen this and i'm like oh you clearly respect the game that it's it's hard not to get the sense that there is respect being paid to the game and like even even when we're seeing so far it is kind of weird right the comments but then again a lot of his comments were like this is the greatest story ever told in video games which like calm down but but still i'm fine with his favorite but greatest it's a bit much well let's put it this way it's a lot better that he doesn't seem to have contempt for the yes even if his comments about the industry in the medium as a whole have been very bizarre like it seems like a lot of it has been falling over the games and i guess the fact that you've got like some involvement from like naughty dog you know people does that um i guess all i would say is like after that first episode it's like yeah you know yeah like that's well so what are the talking points like i think that all the acting is uh fine to good um i'm not sure i've been blown away yet i'm hoping i will be when we get to the hardest you know it'd be nice if there's a performance in here that makes me go like holy fuck that was amazing well i mean we got a lot of a lot of really crazy moments right like yeah like ellie against david the the cannibals like that scene yeah we got a lot of stuff as well like there's yeah and of course the ending there's uh there's a lot of stuff that that could be like really uh like really showcasing production value it it feels like a movie obviously that's we are in that era yeah tv shows looking like films um this one's got a lot of money behind it but more so than halo which it oftentimes felt cheap this one felt like super duper cohesive like there was never a point where i'm like man i feel like you're on a set yeah i never got those moments at all it all felt there's a lot of cool cinematography choices again it's like there's a clear dedication to like realizing something here so that's a good sign definitely shot with care um oh yeah so i'm i'm really curious to see more and i guess something that i i would like to actually give them props for is like bringing back the original composer is really cool um bringing back some of the actors from the games either to play the same character or to appear in some other capacity is really cool because like a few people from the games are going to be in the show not playing the same characters obviously likely to do with druckman's connection as well that would have facilitated a lot of that i'd imagine listen well it's just last was too terrible but if this is worth complimenting we can't be lying about it like that's just well i mean if this show is really great he deserves credit for that because he is like a major he co-wrote the show like it's honestly directed a few episodes so the thing about it is like if it were as good as it currently is when there's one episode for like nine out of ten episodes and then the tenth one they change everything to match last was that is gonna piss me off so hard oh yeah hopefully they they're not gonna be doing that i don't know what they're gonna be doing i don't know what they're up to you know that's kind of hard i suppose that the reality is if they maintain this this quality it's like oh you've you've done a good job um i don't know if you've done as incredible it's hard to say right like um because it's not done yet we're not we're not up to a lot of the big payoffs um no and i guess we don't know this may very well be the most faithful episode for all we know yeah i suppose the interesting thing will be like almost sitting there wondering because my impression would be episode two ends with test dying and then you know them setting off something that i know for sure is that they're gonna do way more with bill and uh his partner like that's going to be a much bigger uh thing than just like that which kind of expanded everywhere there is room to expand but then there's also the question of how much do i want to see like do i need to see what joel and tommy got up to during those intervening 20 years well how long are these episodes gonna be i'm assuming this is an abnormal length i presume that uh i presume that they're gonna be like an hour roughly yeah i would assume well i wouldn't have been surprised it was like 45 minutes but i guess we're gonna be uh you're right so sometimes they're chongas episodes seriously though if they stay the course of this first episode there's no nothing stopping them from being popular i don't think i don't i think so this is definitely the beginning of what could be a very good you know a good track to be on yes i agree that was a good premiere definitely a good start we uh give a thumbs up and well it's up i guess thumbs up even consider the thumbs upwards uh we will likely continue to watch them uh i think so yeah i'd like to watch it whether or not you guys would like to see more of this sort of thing will you just watch there let us know in that comment section below that's right yeah other than that that's the last of us tv show episode one good one interesting yeah okay bye good bye everybody why'd you bring me hello and welcome once again to the last of us television show uh curiosity of the whole world of whether or not it's going to be any good everybody's keeping their eye on it as a video game adaptation as a fun tv show as a thing in general and we're here to offer our perspective here and there first episode like i said seems to have gone over relatively well with uh with the people of the world and a lot of people said it's up to episode two now to see if if that was a fluke or if there's going to be a pattern emerging as well as comparisons to how the game does it lots of thoughts on you know whether or not they'll be taking dialogue or scenes we talked about our lack of spores is going to change things i've heard about a change they've made to how the monsters work or rather the enemies work and something that curious how it manifests in this as well as um whether or not bigger changes are coming like are we going to see tommy earlier the drama is going to be involved with him and what's going to happen to tess because the game has set out quite a specific path i think so far that we've had good things to imply from the dialogue and performances the production values and the faithfulness so i think we're in a good spot that's what i reckon what do you guys so far so far yeah after that first episode i thought that was pretty solid yeah i thought it was pretty good too i'm curious to see what they do next there's plenty of things they could get wrong though hopefully they won't shoot themselves in the foot here we've tried to highlight uh little little pieces of dialogue i think are better than others that imply something going on one of the ones i caught i meant to praise was um when he's talking to the uh the radio guy and he's like show me where the tower is and the guy's like all this open country there are worse things than infected out there are raiders there are slavers the crazy idea there's all kinds of horrible things out there bill then says to him but you're sure tommy's okay and then uh the guy just looks at him and then just starts explaining where he needs to go it's uh it's the kodi tower i thought it was neat in terms of like you're not gonna stop if tommy's not safe and i can't tell you he is so may as well cut to the chase i'm just gonna give you the information you need like uh interactions like that i quite like yeah yeah and there were a few of those in the first episode it's expeditious and character buildy and uh yeah well i guess uh without further ado let's see how this series continues hbio oh no the quarter step zombies have made a civilization oh my god is this all right so this could be either before or after the uh no this is two days before the outbreak oh my god it originates in jakarta or maybe i believe in the game it originates in uh it it was like indonesia or south america i can't quite remember because it was food well so is it like a simultaneous all of food on earth or how does it work i think it was food from a particular location that got spread out to a bunch of different places i'm not i don't quite remember what it was from the game it wasn't detected fast enough to stop yes yes something like that indonesia indonesia that fungy man it'll get you you know what it's fine should take me i didn't think we were gonna get any more uh pre-apocalypse stuff yeah i'm actually surprised at doing this you are expert in cordyceps yes no no no i i mean no we have terrible mistakes kind of ecology not my call if i have to deal with fungus things have gone horribly wrong i know me some mushrooms it's gonna be like they show her a sample she's like oh we're fucked yeah don't tell her the answers yeah quit women's explaining to her oh there is a fungus oh i guess this is a nice companion piece for the first episodes opening scene in the so if that happens we lose yeah i would get more of these it would be a lot of good setups to be curious if we get one of these per episode of the world falling apart i can kind of see that as a pattern now yeah i could be neat and maybe you keep changing country as well and maybe we get to see different people maybe we see what happened with bill you know also if you feel sick please leave it's like oh great thanks oh my see what i see what is the age right for the show i can't remember how uh how violent they've been as well violent hasn't been hasn't been really violent how you doing there people oh no so who done did the bite did you dug a bite i thought you said you're dead did not bite that is not my talk gross it's been shot in the forehead so it dead as fuck right i didn't know if that was what that is exactly it's the implication under this thing attacked bulges maybe and they shot in the head yeah oh yum spaghetti oh careful don't breathe that this is an ugly room looks like a room gold man but might have turtle look at him he's killed so oh yeah but yeah i guess it considers we don't have a patient zero yeah oh it's a bit late for that oh shit just bob the whole place yeah what a mushroom is going to do against the power of nukes power of the atom any problem is we don't do so well against nukes either he's like she's just basically like we lost game over like the first clip says so was the only transmission being bit well i think it's the implication of that scene is that it's already spread in the food now because she would have been working with it because that was how it spread around the world was food but yeah the question is of course how did she get it it's like presumably a bite and where did who bit her is like don't even know we can't even trace how they may have gotten it whoever bit her because obviously there would have been a jump an evolution or maybe even through species but i'm assuming the point the show is making is we can't even trace that yeah you guys ever see contagion yes that film you know it's dealing with the pandemic the process of it i think it became really popular when covid shot off actually like again numbers rose right i think that film ends with uh showing how it all started and it's like a bat eating um something somewhere and then like a pig eating something somewhere like it's just it's just you know unfortunate circumstances of cross just that and the other back to modern times it's a flutter by maybe this is a dream oh you have shitty dreams yes if you live in a world of mushroom people running around you dream about mushroom people maybe mushroom places this is the episode new dropman directed oh my oh morning oh yeah i guess they'd have issues with it let's do it do i look like i'm infected show us your arm i'm surprised they let her go to sleep to be honest yeah it's not getting any worse is it she'd locked me up and had her guys test me every day to see if i was getting sick test you how i have to pee oh for a second there i thought she meant the test involved peeing i think what really impressed them was the fact that i didn't turn into a fucking monster well infection's a little more complicated than that love like yeah you could be carrying it right now yep there's not gonna be anything bad in here just you oh funny okay maybe a hairline it'll heal fast she made it through the fucking night it doesn't matter it's gonna happen sooner or later we sneak her back into the qz we find a different way to get the battery this is our best shot i'm gonna scan her and no killer well better than than us you need to stop talking about this kid like she's got some kind of life in front of her yeah it's kind of complicated exactly what they would talk about this is super unprecedented for them and nobody's guiding them on this it's just like she's gonna die i don't know why are you so important to my loom don't lie to me or we'll take you back me back you don't get your battery you heard that then you must have heard that he wants to shoot you i ain't denying it like you're an adult okay they're working on a cure we've heard this a million times vaccines miracle cures none of it works ever fuck you man i didn't ask for this you and me both we need to go back uh that framing felt very deliberate didn't it yeah i think that was actually pretty good i like that she is a teacher right now on a decision in it yeah the thing is she is the probably the best and clearest way to get what they want right now so much as twitches well it's what it's what tess said that but i mean you know tess is you know what i mean like is that really why she's interested in doing it or is there if they're going the same route they do with character in the game then you can already start to read into why she's actually nudging them in favor of this choice and yeah i mean we got a lot more time in the hospital doctors maybe zebra saving doctors i don't know absolutely not okay jesus fine i just don't fucking sandwich out no get a bottle or a brick well i mean she'll be probably getting that gun eventually not that one but there you go you're thinking about trying to do years of war with this sort of thing with the her chunky those guys are chunky boys and put them in chunky armor we can't fit to the door break it down make a whole new world bigger chunkier doors the chunk plague everyone became chunky how did those sorts of things happen they bombed this area right okay they all although good moving infected pushed it over they got on this side yeah i don't like civilization i'm also just noticing as well that all of the cars are like looking appropriate for the era something i was thinking about because i think that's all like a mastercard logo on the door and i was wondering like are we are we gonna be seeing only brands you know up to 2003 man mastercard still exists but you know if they simply bombed loads of major cities to slow it down that's how you know we've basically lost yeah essentially but i mean it's easy to see how it got out of control because so many people got sick so quickly yeah and i find it more believable than a lot of newer i find zombie stories i really like the backdrop looks really good oh yeah and i mean just the fact that even though everything fell apart you've still got your quarantine zones around the place and then you've got different organizations with their own little sediments yeah no time brother they can build up but simultaneously they'll just not hurt each other well yeah five flies at war with the government how did you get bit you know the old mall in a qz one that's sealed off i wonder if we'll get that scene as well probably i i would imagine we'll get a whole episode on whatever i snuck in want to see what it was like dlc episode for the show there's gonna be anything in there and one just came up they had a nowhere i wonder if she's gonna mention uh it was just you in there riley yeah because riley has been mentioned episode one and you were safe there until you decided to sneak out and terrorist was riley a terrorist so it was just you in there alone yeah ah no she's not to herself yeah 14 i mean you got some balls on you sister thanks only tommy could go over trucks no they won't come after you right if you don't know rides in the game he holds the door closed because we're a bunch of infected it's like well i'm gonna be faster than you so i can catch up that's why he's pissed off on the first one yeah it's a better one in the game yeah definitely everyone said the open city was crazy swarms are infected running around everywhere people like to tell stories so there aren't super infected did explode fungus spores on you should i hope not oh well i guess they're gonna kind of bloater at some point i thought the spores were just a non-element in this even if they were a non-element i could easily imagine man tv shows they just have them strongest budgets now don't i oh yeah well and you know when they pitched this they were like we can make you a lot of money with this one okay yeah here's our proof look at the game and then they'll be like what's all this about last was to like shut up oh look look how cute they use real ones not cg ones yeah frog on a piano look i'm go this side i like it i like i like the practical sets they're cool yes there was a real frog on a piano as well they built real sets with tons of sets they bought a frog they were taking ages to make this thing think of the people who got involved well because this show was shot over the course of i think a year it had a long long production i don't know how to swim true that is a thing i think we have yeah i don't know how to know that because that's how buildings work like i guess looking at it you might have thought it was deeper i don't know but yeah that'll be that'll be relevant another time i imagine oh the fuck are we doing sir i'd like your finest sweet please weird kid you're a weird kid hello the bell hop is not gonna get a good tip he's scaring the customers he's scaring the customers so they have to push their own luggage i do like that is not supposed to still bruise there oh yeah they they made a good note of that at the beginning of the episode earlier boy and even he hurt himself doing it which is nice when a story acknowledges that punching somebody in the face over and over again is probably gonna hurt your hand i think rags specifically said don't do that you'll hurt your hand damn don't like hurt your hand you'll need that man if i was them and i came across a hotel like that i'd be opening up the luggage because a lot of people they bring toothpaste toothbrush all things like that inside of their bags come i mean the passing through of different areas makes me think like has anyone looted these places because man you know could be gold mines waiting to happen that's what i'm thinking all that stuff that you can't really get anymore i mean if the games run into a tree i would go with the show yes a lot of these areas have been pillaged by moving groups of like raiders and bandits defining a locked door is like hey people haven't been in here maybe yeah well i'm just easier for me to get through but you die and you get nothing you stay here's the thing if you and me i'd be happy to have these three for several episodes i'd be fine with that a bit of a mess so i'm gonna need a few minutes gosh it's like a bomb went off in here terrible wallpaper look at it nice knife where'd you learn to do that the circus where are you from the circus see i could be a mass hall too what about test Detroit to michigan i go to school i know where detroit is to be fair like do you go to school you don't know what you don't go to school right now you too like uh pass how long did infected live no i thought you went to school it's a really shitty one some last about a month or two there's others been walking around about 20 years i killed lots of is it hard like knowing they were people once sometimes what now it was very video gamey as well by the way like this door is stuck you have to lift your npc character over there to go and open it up while having some dialogue truly in like a city it can't be that hard to get where you need to go right well with all the roads sidewalks buildings meant for human traversal it does seem like they've opted go into a building when i wouldn't have thought they would want to do that until they reach the building they want let's try to scope it out to see if they can you know get a vantage point yeah like that oh dear right that's a lot of infected yeah i'm sure what they're doing either i guess maybe they're sleeping the last show i was at the sun that's fucking with them there the fungus also grows underground you step on a patch of quarter steps in one place and you can wake a dozen infected from somewhere else that's the new mechanic apparently now they come you gotta watch where you're walking now uh i have heard by the way that you you were correct in the assumption that the reason they got rid of the spores at least mainly from what i'm seeing is they wanted less gas masks are more about it right bring he loves that i'm the one who likes gas masks too no he's talking about he doesn't want people's faces covered up in the thing this is that like this to me is because they've replaced it with something else as a mechanic yeah it's not yeah this is the ground up we have to see how we didn't arbitrarily throw this on in season two or something this is this is from the start right exactly and like this is just an alternate explanation that gives them that rather than let's take the helmet that protects me from like incursive damage yeah and uh and about all because i need to have my face shown because i'm a famous actor why don't you take the fire escape ladder on the side of the building if there is one yeah it's like is this the way they have to go uh they're obviously invisible walls of the tv world as well oh no that's not good that's what really got everyone they come up against anything you get behind us and you stay there okay yes i have a spare hand congratulations you don't trust you with guns i think it's more for the uh the torch right oh no she's got one okay so yeah so it is the gun then obviously we'll be getting a payoff eventually with her getting a gun gonna be fun yeah this place would be was it a museum in the game yeah um oh yeah you encounter them in the buildings they arrive at night before you get here in the game like in the skies yeah um yeah yeah because i don't take a break they just go straight there well because the show itself isn't going to be as long as the game is it well it's kind of it's kind of complicated right because the show may be longer in other ways like it will have more strict cut scenes or more strict like you know scenes than the game does looks fresh what the fuck did that zambi maybe he was a dead dog the doors i don't hear it who would you hear you definitely needed to explain this to her uh she hasn't encountered a clicker before why aren't they telling her about the clickers and they should have told her that before they went in the building well i thought when joe when joe was talking about you know a month versus a year right because clickers were about a year and then bloaters is like they've been infected from the beginning more or less then there's ones in the last was two like the hyper flash pile things the rat king yeah and then there's other versions because it's like the stalker as well which is like partway between clicker and runner i'm curious if they'll do the thing like in the game where the runners are sometimes standing there crying as they're twitching the last was offers you plenty of horror opportunities oh yeah this is a terrifying place to be what's interesting as well is that you probably want to be equipped for creating noises uh at a distance uh yes yeah picking up rocks or something like that you'd want to have an egg you always have like a little rock to throw especially wow because runners are complicated they can still see you it's the clickers which by the way what a great idea they can't see so they use the echo location to find you look at this set take it just to make this thing Jesus look at this and it's going to be gone after this episode probably right this whole set probably yeah nice of what they said step on the thing and i don't know how she accidentally stood on a whole last hand you got one job okay honey watch where you're going yeah don't really creepy right because it's kind of like alien where all the environment is like a particular way but then you can sometimes spots like oh that's a person yeah wow yep it's about on cue this is going to be like one of the big reasons to have people be waiting for right a clicker yeah i figure already you want to throw something across the other side of the room yeah i suppose they can be kind of easy to lose to an extent go float in that's dangerous wow it'll be like in that trailer for the game right when he loaded it and that was the thing that revealed this position i wonder if they don't do that again you can throw your shells yeah you should have thrown those if at least one of them is a nice then they make a nice tinkling noise oh show is it would write it on the thing you're doing it gotta be right there don't even consider throwing the torch at this point anything to distract it one shot to the head right uh from the back but from the front the fungus is kind of like a protective thing hey stop a bullet or at least dampen its effects that's what it did in the games yeah yeah in the games it's shooting that's almost got mechanical value right like if you get it right yeah and of course you can't take them in melee in the game unless you have a shoot oh yeah they just instakill you right i do love how like terrifying they've made them here what the fuck is it still alive they shot so many times plus kind of how they work they don't have like a human's health no they're stronger have they just made an encounter with two of them like absolutely terrifying intense difficult even though they're hardened survivors like still even 20 years in encountering like two clickers is terrifying i assume it is you need to be bitten not just scratched you gotta be bitten just wait there give us a minute there's probably more ahead so we'll deal with it then this bite didn't take no what about the second i thought you just take the good news can you do that make the thing for once maybe we can actually win i was keeping an eye on her facial reaction when she said if it was gonna be one of us yeah she's already been bitten is it everything you hope for or is that everything you hope for jerry's still out jerry's still out man one to one but man you can't deny that view you can't deny that view come on this way yeah it's like identical come on let's get there before it's dark they have to keep this up it's like man this would have cost a shit ton wouldn't it uh yeah i wouldn't be surprised if it was like nine figure budget hey it's already one of the most successful shows like on hbo ever so a lot of people like i've seen the sentiment like i've seen the walking dead why would i care it's like walking dead of shit uh yeah walking dead is lame the the show anyway the comic was pretty cool list up to the part where i read it but the show was lame and how many seasons did walking dead have like a million uh i think it got up to like 12 or 13 and there's like other spin-off shows too that have multiple seasons yeah fear the walking dead had already like six seasons or sort of shit right i and there's another one i believe too and i'm pretty sure that they're doing two new ones like they're bringing back uh rip and um machine for like another season like another series let it die amc won't let it go it's like their most successful thing and it was even more sort of breaking bad they found every way to make it cheaper as well don't they uh so interesting how money translates because it'd be like is it worth putting all the money into make all these sets for this show and it's like well it's gonna make people remember this show i'm not kidding but i was there the thing right like the walking dead was the biggest show on on amc ever and the second season got a reduced budget per episode it's like seems odd interesting about the walking dead is that that's a show my parents used to watch and then my mom said we stopped watching it when characters started acting fucking stupid for no reason when they should know better and i'm like man if like normies yeah like my parents are super mega normies yeah and i think it's the reason why you have if it continues at this rate like this show will be pretty strong and i'm pretty sure everybody will agree with that sentiment it picks up they're they're doing a good job i don't mean this in a denigrate way but they're copying so what else is very good homework so that's true but they've done a lot of things that are neat well what i'm just the reason i bring that up is that they've got like a safety blanket almost a safety net like the well i mean walking dead people like it right of the didn't they not really adapt it that accurately they didn't they they deviated um pretty significantly oh i spent a lot more time figuring out that uh yeah well we know this building fringy um but we're trying to meet up with the fireflies right now right yes but the delivery girl oh dear um s seems a little more agitated than you'd expect yep seems like it's about more than just a car battery i mean there's gotta be a a fucking radio or something right ammunition you'll need that what do they've got bit the healthy ones but the sick ones everyone lost tess he says that like that's happened before a lot it's over we are going home this man by fucking home our luck had to run out sooner or later she's infected this is real don't she's fucking real i need you to get her to build in frank's i never ask you for anything not to feel the way i felt not to let you shut the fuck up because i don't have time to get her there you keep her alive and you said everything right please i know a little bit more of them there you go the mechanic pays off kind of like a one of us has just been destroyed destroy whatever did that sort of thing making sure that they can follow you man this is a bit more of a uh massive like blaze of glory for her than uh in the game uh oh take some of those absolutely yeah i mean like guys we've got ammunition piles and boxes you are correct but this is joel is not going to be a rational right now yeah oh i would just get a grenade do you want to do it they start taking grenades pulling pins throwing pulling pins throwing are these clickers they're not hearing it oh well she's already infected right so maybe they don't care oh well like they said right even if you're infected it'll kill you they'll spuck you up yeah all right well yeah well there you go yeah we've got episode two i think that was good yeah i think it's good too i think they did a really good job establishing uh we've got like we had like an episode of like the human area now we got the infected area and they're very deadly it's not just like ooh i'm a zombie i'm gonna walk towards you how could humanity have lost no no no it's it's like it's actually uh yeah it definitely sells like that this is something that feels like it could actually like beat humans just the fact that even trying to fight two of them is like this incredibly terrifying encounter yeah they're kind of tanky they're kind of fast and they alert others when you kill them or can anyway yeah well yeah that is a change right now we get to see what that actually looks like which is an interesting change it certainly is uh different than how it works before leverage there to enable quite a different payoff to win the game because in the game test basically just does a last stand against a bunch of military guys yeah uh whereas here like a massive explosion yeah and the acting it's just really on point really strong they take in yeah i'd say the important parts of the game i don't feel like we missed out at all on any of the connecting pieces the up to this point in the game really i don't think so i mean again production side is super impressive the sets the visual effects the designs on the the infected the sound design and lighting it's all really strong and in service of like capturing the tone that they want to evoke in each moment right where you can have these like scenery of this destroyed world but nature is reclaiming it and then contrast that with a different more scary version of nature essentially trying to assert control over the world yeah that episode was just all focused on them three pretty much and then we lose test which uh you know if you play the game or watch this series without any of that knowledge i do think that comes as a surprise that test ties that early even though obviously we knew what was going to happen i think that there's enough indication in the way that she's acting after that encounter to give to give away right like something's wrong yeah her entire temperament has changed but you see it gradually anyway right her coming to more and more sort of accept the situation and a willingness to push forward with it meanwhile Joel is just kind of the whole time just like i don't want to do this they give you snippets all right like him saying we're going home and she says that's not my home being of course i think she's referring to a wider context of this isn't home what's happened anymore like we well yeah having to deal with it as a fucking nightmare and so there's this one shot here of uh something but obviously Joel just Joel's already said he doesn't fucking believe in it and he doesn't care about it he wants to just do what the smartest thing is whatever it is at the time but yeah he's written that off uh where she's now in a position where she's willing to accept it basically in order to fight basically her life right to give her to give her life some kind of meaning instead of it just being like 20 years of killing people and smuggling and just looking out for herself well i'm the uh i've never asked anything of you never asked you to feel how i felt i think it's just a bit of a relationship was never quite um as deep as maybe one of them wanted which i mean you got that in the first game as well kind of where it's like there's got to be enough here for you to feel an obligation basically the same thing here right yeah this is how we get a character like Joel to can commit to this now is the life debt almost somebody who cares who he cares about has said you you're gonna do this for me like you got to you have to do it for me and now that it's just those two on their own it's like we're now is the opportunity to basically force Joel to develop that relationship whereas with tests there's a little bit of distance he can he can leave between him and ellie yeah and it seems like they put an effort in this episode to make uh to make tests a little bit more likeable to ellie than joel so that it yeah it gets you get that sense of like oh if i had to lose one of you it really had to be her and then it's gonna be like well and joel as the game goes on or as the story goes on i should say it goes on evidently but that there is that change right they're not because they encounter bill by passing through bill's town whereas now it seems like she sent them to go to bill specifically uh whereas in the game you know find tommy uh because he ran with the fireflies so he can help you i'm very curious how they're gonna adapt one of my favorite moments in the whole game is when uh got the chance to sort of ditch her you know yeah yeah but yeah uh you know and even that opening scene so i think it makes a really fun addition right because it's quite horrifying i guess uh well yeah it makes me wonder if it's like you said right uh it was either your rags maybe that'll be what we're getting each episode is uh more insight into what happened before and maybe that means because i imagine next episode will be bill that would be my guess maybe we'll get to see what happened with bill and then maybe we see what happens with like henry and sam uh maybe if intro one was uh an intro to the science behind the theory almost of how it could happen and then it literally taking place i'd wonder if we're gonna get scenes of different areas falling apart maybe yeah maybe we'll see how like certain quarantine i could easily imagine that we might get a flashback on like the fireflies coming to exist as an entity would be cool if we had like a white house opening scene as well yeah yeah like what what is the plan what are we doing here and maybe that's when they're like we're gonna create these quarantine zones this is what we're doing everything outside of it we're abandoning yeah it's definitely seems like the episodic structure can be like really worthwhile in terms of um each episode focuses on like one specific thing or each episode we encounter a new set of characters who only stay for one or two episodes because it's Joel and Ellie as a consistent element but yeah all it is is that i'm i'm engaged and i'm interested to keep watching yes yeah they keep laying more and more foundations as well as arguably a more payoffs than a lot of tv shows get within the first two episodes and two episodes yeah because you you've only had tests for two episodes and it's like that was that was good work that was good work that they did with her yeah and props to the actress as well she was pretty good what else can you say you know i just i just feel like pretty much every element is either good or if not great i mean the set design is fucking fabulous yeah it's like one of the it's like among the most convincing green screens i've ever seen this the city backdrop it looks so much money and effort went into it it is so easy to accept that they're walking through this post apocalyptic city that it's like you legit forget that it's a movie set that it can't be real it can't be real but those yes man like god damn they're so detailed yeah they worked really hard to raise off exactly yeah the practicality of a lot of the places they're in the it looks really really good last of us episode two well can you say it was really real solid we'll see how this show goes further on thanks for watching everybody yeah we'll see you next time bye bye bye here we are oh god there's a fourth person ah you say something not usually here oh sorry yeah uh hi there you go thanks for this official intro you know we just have so much variety in the form of what we cover and who we cover where them i i saw you tweeting about this little show and i was like hey that'd be fun we could talk to you about it the episodes that have come previously and are to come so i guess we could simultaneously catch up quickly what did you think of episodes one and two i'm digging it so far a few missteps but uh nothing that i agree just i'm quite impressed with it overall what would you say is the most praiseworthy thing i'm tempted to say that it actually followed the game which is what halo should have done but i don't think it needed to be exactly like the game but i'm glad that it did and i like how crazy the zombies are yeah i mean the people playing the clickers are pretty neat and uh i just think the the detail on the uh the prosthetics are really good as well so you have like this grounded human drama which i think craig mason is quite good at but you also have like the pulpy like crazy zombies it like turned up to a degree that we haven't really that i haven't seen since like 28 days later where they really feel like a threat what do you mean walking dad's been out and going for years oh my god why does everyone hate walking dad what did it do other than be horrible oh jeez make one this it's it's quality so far well uh if you had the biggest criticism what would it be if i had to pick a thing it's this even bothered me in the game where the soldier shoots at joel and sarah and it's like joel should probably be dad right maybe he's like got shot point blank full auto it's just like he was barely grazed and he just rolls down the hill and then i don't know he the soldier takes his time like re-approaching him and i don't remember that kind of bugging me in the games and it kind of bugged me here again too yeah it's hard to even tweak that to fix it because you kind of to generate a scenario where someone shoots at them with a rifle and only tags his daughter and not him it's like that's a very specific result that can be difficult to sort of provide because like yeah especially just a shot from a rifle he's just like oh you're both dead surely and you know tomi turning up just too late slash just too early to have either both of them or none of them die yeah but that i think is just a small detail it's not a huge deal i didn't really get in the way some of the things i saw people talking about they were surprised we didn't talk about so i was curious if you guys have any additional thoughts but um everyone was very weirded out by tess getting the tendril kiss before she dies you have any commentary for that it doesn't strike me as too i mean it is weird but all this is sort of weird the this question is really like is it weird in a way that doesn't seem to fit their behavior or if that's a setup for later the tendrils almost seem like they're like a sensory organ or they are like checking to her breath or something to see if she's infected or something along those lines it's like a really fast way to infect someone maybe maybe a really fast lady so was the old lady doing that in the first episode when she yeah when she when she looks up the tendrils come out of her mouth and remember the first guy who's infected in the jacardi the body has the tendrils coming out of it as uh in the mouth as well so yeah the tendrils are definitely a thing i just meant the targeting of like mouth to mouth uh which may be a fast way to spread it and that's why that happens that way but part of what i thought suited about it was the fact that tess was like absolutely terrified of becoming one of them and then like talking about having a worse fear realized right before she actually kills herself like it's that close and that sort of that's like a violation in in a couple of ways right like uh feels really i think it's supposed to feel really gross yeah simultaneously it's like well that has the effect of feeling gross to a lot of audience members and so a lot of people are uncomfortable watching it they didn't want to see that so i would imagine that that was the feeling that they were trying to evoke with that same this is a deeply uncomfortable yeah like on a on a specific level and then on a broad level right like it's not just it's annihilated society they are fucking disgusting they take the human body and use it for whatever they want like that tendril kiss the the one thing that kind of threw me off about it is that i'm not sure what makes an infected go crazy biting someone and then doing something like that where it's just like a weird leaning in for a kiss sort of thing i thought the issue with that one was human is there that she was moving very little and so the clicker wasn't 100 sure of what was in front of it maybe okay and it was one of the blind ones right i'm not sure actually i need to check again it was a stalker i think and i'm pretty sure the stalkers are kind of partially blind because it's it's like you got runners who can still see and then as the growth gets there it becomes more and more difficult to see and so they get to clickers when they can't see and have to use echolocation it's kind of in the middle ground that one right and i don't know if the the concept of she is infected and maybe she's giving off some kind of a a signal or some pheromone or some sort of something as much as i think that's a fair idea um does that reflect with ellie at all i need i don't know i don't ellie be having it but being like immune to it is some something they can sense i just don't know maybe yeah i think i think they need to i'll believe it if they if they come up with an explanation or the or if they explain it i can go along with that the impression i'm getting with these the the fact that episode one and two began with like sort of a delving into the nature of the infection makes me wonder if that's going to be something that gets explored way more in this show compared to in the game like how it actually works and how a cure might come to exist rather than just maybe a cure can actually come from this you know i'm guessing that there might be trying to actually delve into it a little bit more how it works and how to stop it perhaps i think it's fine because i understand why they're doing it like they craig mason didn't want to do spores because then you'd have the actors with gas masks on a lot and he said himself that that didn't he felt that didn't translate to film very well so it's like okay well there needs to be what component of the fungal growth infects other people if you're not going to do spores then it needs to be like tentacles they've added in the sort of network aspect which um i think it's fine i've seen people say like they better stay consistent to it it's like it should be easy to stick to right because it's either if the place is old and dry then it won't have any like network potential but if ever they um fire it uh or kill quarter set monsters where they fall onto like a floor that's covered in the same goop then it can like translate messages and stuff so sounds like something they should be able to control pretty easily and then it can also cause you know big drama on a whim as a better setup to have hordes appear than hordes simply appear you know yeah so hopefully they use it well but yeah yeah the fungal network idea i really dig it's an interesting idea yeah if they if they do it well i could really be into it we'll see how they actually you know utilize that new mechanic going forwards what to see dog yeah we're up to episode three now where who knows what'll happen i mean no wing exactly what happens in the game doesn't necessarily tell you what'll happen in the episodes i've seen plenty of discussion for this one already so we'll have lots of things to talk about once we're at the end of it oh that's a different one it's kind of like the no pre-credits scene evidently nah we're moving on we're moving past that they've evolved past that old cultural monolith this is a new era look at all this grossness spreading it's kind of like cheese whiz you never want that growing everywhere equally gross children eat cheese whiz and i think it's amazing it just shows that children are retarded well have you tried cheese whiz in different things maybe it really tastes good when it's uh with the um ice cream ice cream a nice cheese whiz on the ice cream you want some chocolate syrup or some you know anything like that like nah i'll just have cheese whiz just get a big old swirly have it on a big old spiral on the top yellow and white and that's what this intro evokes oh it's prey took that rock a million years to get to shore charlie brown now you've thrown it back now he's making art out of it back he is making art wow not bad honestly was an artist yeah he found some good stones to stack up ellie's like joel come on you're still fucking around with those rocks yeah that took him like three days to bouncing we think he's a great artist but he's a really bad artist the power of editing when your jacket back oh let's let me spread i want your sorry i wasn't gonna say i'm sorry nobody made you a test take me you needed a truck battery or whatever and you made a choice so don't blame me for something that isn't my fault it's a bit of a subversion right because the typical conversation is like i'm sorry for what happened and the business is not your fault who'd be in like please don't blame me for that they probably went to like a real forest to do that you know what i think green screen they're getting really really good with them what what are the forest oh god they're looking fake forest disney didn't have the they didn't spring for going into the woods but they had to green wow the thing is it's more expensive to shoot outside because you have to pay attention to like your sunlight and you know weather conditions it must be so annoying to know that like they can't just get away with it they just can't yeah like it's disney like just go outside and fucking turn the camera on what if it's rainy the scene's rainy it was all shot in canada so as a canadian you're welcome someone shot well canada's got them nice pine tree forest and everything yeah you can also not no cap on their tax credit in alberto someone shot at me and miss i miss two that was more often than you think because you suck at shooting or like in general in general shooting guns is fucking hard bitch well i think that's that's kind of d right he's trying to say like most people miss most of the time vast majority of the shots will be missed i was thinking i should i do wonder about that i guess it is just a matter of character wise he just doesn't would you say he doesn't trust to or just sees it as a bad move to give her a gun because you probably want to give her a gun you probably want your only other companion to have the capacity to save your life in this situation i don't know if i'd give her a gun either like someone who's not familiar with firearms i feel like they just be more of a danger to me especially if we're walking around the interiors and dark places and we're jumping agitated i don't want this person who's not used to guns having well yeah not before you've had an opportunity to actually you know teach you how to use us like teach someone very well because you don't have ammo to spare right also the element of like it's a handgun they're really really difficult to shoot accurately without practice it would be safer to give her the fucking assault rival probably i imagine she could have maybe gotten some light training like if she's part of a military escort like what was the school it was a training it was like a school school it was a federa school right yeah i don't know if they would have given training for weaponry i they're probably gonna save all that for actual like soldiers and militia i guess she's pretty young too i would be surprised she hasn't had any training but that's the thing uh if they do a payoff where she shoots her gun for the first time and she misses horrifically and the guns are really really loud and it's like the recoil she's not used to then that would be a nice payoff and she'll say eat this and hit the infected right between the eyes from a mile away yeah blow the barrel so he just said you can go look around because this place has been cleared out like there's nothing here i hope she doesn't fucking find something and you tell me that's something he missed or he hasn't even been back there yet no this is the place he's been before you forgot where you put your stuff no i'm gonna take a look around she's didn't do good trust me it's all been picked over already oh it is yeah this is a place he's been many times he's currently getting his stash that he keeps here and he said you can go look around because this place has been run over so many times that there's nothing to find i don't believe for a second that he wouldn't have found this so i hope there's nothing new down here are you gonna jump down there without a way to get back up without even telling joel without telling joel oh gee i hope you don't fucking spooky music yet i hope there's no spooky sort of monster down here too well that'll do it i guess that'll help i like how it just holds on the eerie ambience of this like the stillness of it yeah rather than hitting your head with like a musical track to get you freaked out yeah like bomb in the dark now oh shit yeah in the dark of the night people will find there is an infected damn it course there could be well so that's like a double whammy of annoying joel being like you can go wander off because i've been here before and there's nothing here it's like that doesn't mean there isn't something here now yeah but the mobile nature of life is such that maybe something has arrived since your last meeting and to be honest with you i wouldn't be surprised at this point he was hyper protective of her for the sake of tess as in like it is my job now to make sure you make it no matter well that guy is uh he's ready for very well he's ready for studying he's he's like such a like gross disease fungal yeah pretty terrifying did we each find secret tunnels oh looks like he's found his stash kind of interesting it's following the knife yeah well i'm guessing it's something they might be trying to sort of establish here right is like there's an element of humanity left in uh certain infected you like the lady yeah that's real gross jeez damn well it's probably for the best because there was something that was a neat touch in the game since the runners sometimes when they're standing there you can hear them crying because it's like they're still they're still sort of aware of what's happening yeah like they're still aware as and they're slowly losing control until obviously when she starts to get to click as they're like non-human anymore yeah dying light did that in a really creepy way too where some of the ones who are like the more fresh zombies that are really quicker and they can climb they they say some things there's zombies but you could hear like actually a little bit of words coming out of them and stuff it's like that's like that's scary i don't know if this comes across his nitpicking but come on you're not gonna tell him what you found they're literally found infected over there in your safe stash place just saying you know it feels like they're doing the whole like she handled all of that on her own and didn't even mention it one thing it would be good is to maybe like put that in a plastic bag or something and roll it up keep the moisture off of it also it'd be nice to know how much ammo we actually had because that would factor into whether or not i think it's a good decision to leave that behind or to just bring the magazine or just the bullets dude you got to go up in the sky yeah well so today statistically though safest way to travel yeah safer than trains fuck trains my right guys how did it even start cordyceps mutated someone that got into the food supply probably a basic ingredient like flour sugar red cereal pancake mix cheese we eat enough of it it'll get you infected it goes on it started to get sick and that's the thing too right they won't realize that the foods the reason that's done it so they'll keep eating the food for at least a little bit longer yeah and depending on like the specifics of the virus or the fungus itself it you know who knows what the incubation is or yeah i've heard there's there's like ants that will crawl all over something and then i'll start biting so that they can coordinate instead of the first one on bites and then the rest don't get a chance so who knows if the fungus has some kind of semi-intelligence like that maybe serious ellie can it hurt me no you're honest man should have said axe murder whatever it was i think it's gone there's definitely a dynamic difference of um the early on relationship in the game i think he is much colder to her let me use that i'm a pretty good shot with that thing how about we just leave this kind of step to me well we could both be armed cover each other i don't think so i need you to shut up all right uh yeah i think some people think of him as more of a pushover in the show as a result of that when you know it's easy to interpret he's just less cold there's a scene to come up that i've seen in the trailers where he refers to her as cargo if there wasn't but i think he's just saying that in a moment probably because he's mad at her or something he's definitely like warming up to her already i kill them that people can't be infected oh so let's all kill ourselves well so apparently that logic is if there's uh qz's are full when they have people to come in that they can't take care of do they let them i guess run over off or do they kill them seems a little evil to fucking kill them yeah like if you just if you're in the quarantine zone anyway then why not just let the people outside of it stay outside of it yeah especially if they're rural areas i suppose is that like they want us to believe that they just consider a they give a group of humans they're just too fucking risky to let live as they'll turn into zombies and come back but i don't know no i don't know yeah i don't know about that like what is the military worried about having out of bullets it's not even just that the military decided that that would be something they would do you have to believe that all of the people would enact that all the soldiers don't honestly i just don't believe that well then that looks like a bill it looks like a man with a beard of the darkness yeah because it feels weird that you have maybe like a locked off almost locked off suburb sort of thing with a bunch of people just living their lives and then the government comes in collects you up and what i'm quote takes you to a qz but then just executes all of you so that they can reduce the overall numbers of the quarter step zombies like really that seems like a really strange way of doing that that involves a lot of policy i would almost say like shouldn't you want as many people as you can find and you want to expand and maintain like the workers to have a growing the quarantine zone right you want to build up a city almost eventually not slowly open the door and peer out do you just burst open out the front door and then start looking around don't you know i feel like if they were just here uh i wouldn't just i just wouldn't go outside that day i should go cameras just stay safe yeah i'd just be hanging out finally i can go boating what are you he's he's splurging he's getting supreme why not i know i feel like everybody home to pot that's french for the toilet who's homey that home depot is a gold mine i mean it's wires outlets plugs lumber that's already pre-cut measured yeah oh gold mine all the tools the last lifetime well the fact that he already had a um a hidden underground thing going on it's like he's he's like the kind of guy that a person who just like a prepper yeah prepper yeah so yeah he would know better than most probably how much of uh he's got to be able to use he's probably just been dreaming of the day the kind of person who believes that the apocalypse is always just around the corner yeah in this case it was finally come yeah and if anything he's uh this is element a rot chicken so yeah it's worth mentioning i guess the what what's interesting about this episode is that um as far as i'm aware we're not getting any more Joel and Ellie know it's all gonna be about this guy well on this marks like the first sort of i guess major deviation is that we we meet bill uh just during Joel and Ellie's main adventure we never got to see the whole story of bill yeah i had somebody that i cared about partner somebody i had to look after and then and then his relationship with frank and obviously we saw what the end of that looked like but we didn't get to see it play out so yeah obviously you're referring to the game um yeah because this is already different but you can see what pieces they've pulled or at least how they've come to make this as a story well i mean we already knew bill was like hyper prepped this whole town was filled with traps and everything yeah which is obviously reflected already here yeah oh what's interesting now and making me think is like is a week almost done a flip of the convention of the first two episodes being that we have an opening scene to provide some context about another part of the world that relates to the progress of the infection fungal thing and then we get Joel and Ellie slash the main story this time we had an opening scene with them and the rest of the episode is going to be big a lot of bill yeah you know like something that's not them just almost like a flip yeah i guess to keep you on your toes you never know what to expect in an episode even if you played the game well it's tv in it because yeah ain't a game so we do different things here of course there's another thing is we don't have to make gameplay segments well it just means you can have these long stretches of no combat there's one of the challenges of telling a story in a game when you have a bunch of combat i remember in the game being really fascinated with bill and frank's relationship and wanting to know a bit more about it beyond just the letter that was left so i'm glad that the show is doing this it feels like an opportunity if done well are you armed no why did you take that long to answer i thought about lying for some reason but reason didn't come i was actually thinking about that yeah like are you obduse like if i say no maybe they won't think of me as a potential yeah like i could handle myself sort of thing baltimore qz it's gone very hurt yeah i fell in a hole just a bruise what do you think of the likelihood of getting out of that hole yourself uh 100 percent you could take like enough time yeah take a little moshes and uh we're gonna deprot galactic our way out of this bitch no now dig up stupid how are we gonna get out of here we'll dig our way out oh no now dig up stupid oh he's got a little infection checker good how'd you get that out of it none of your god damn business you were just laying there on the ground on that guy i killed god he's so fucking hard to trust anybody in this environment you know yeah boston is that way you can make it by nightfall i'm really hungry i'm letting you go so go all right look my name's frank oh yeah here's the thing frank then every bum you talk to about it is gonna show up here looking for a free lunch and this is not an arby's well arby's didn't have free lunch was a restaurant didn't have free lunch at obby's that's true i won't talk about it to any bums or hobos or vagabonds i promise i've only got so much cheese whiz i can't feed everybody i'll spare it feels like a silo of cheese whiz that old classic in that you'd feel pretty safe probably getting rid of this guy but then you also feel pretty bad if he's just a guy i'm gonna go ahead and bet that bill's not super social or at least he wasn't no one names bill is social living on his own for like four years i left some clothes here for you which is enough to make anybody who isn't social sort of especially in the midst of a post apocalypse too yeah like how long can you last entertaining yourself off of like because he's secured himself real well but you'll eventually finish all of your tasks you know yeah and then you'll be like now what b about someone else is enjoying stuff i'm trying to think of other stories that have done this but like yeah just enjoying something is one thing but enjoying it with other people is is a whole other thing somebody out of dust no one touches my dust taking me years to cultivate that fine dust you put your fingers all over it this would be probably mind blowing if you've been living in the apocalypse for like years everything tastes good when you're starving yeah but not yeah but that's like the meat yeah but yeah it's been four years i remember what food tastes like a man who knows to pair rabbit with it would actually be enough to make you forget briefly that the world is ended and there's zombies outside this is like so unexpectedly awesome i always keep the gun on in case the rabbits get you know jumpy but rabbits jump all the time right thank you you're welcome what year was this did they say 2007 well this is four years later so yeah because i'm just trying to figure out the ages right now like they would overall they are now we've got another but first 20 years well that's 16 years from now wow you know much these are worth currently nothing these aren't yours my mother this is you imagine you took your job so seriously like you'll be playing piano like one episode of one tv show you'll be a part of and it's like i must learn how to do it myself that's not really necessary it's like no i must might just be fundamentally it's like no don't do this you got to make me like you and then i'm gonna have you stay and i don't want i don't want that i want to be on my own well you definitely get a big ol sense that he's like closed off but simultaneously show he's taken a lot of actions to show that he clearly wants to do stuff with someone yeah might call it multi-dimensional sounds like good advice i like this like neither one of them want to leave or want the other person to leave but they they don't want to weird the other person out yeah yeah it's all super awkward but a lot of stuff desperate and look it's music that's being able to bind them i mean that feels deliberate right like it's food drink and music like soldiers experiences right i was like when nick oftenman shows up in anything i mean fun which is why i think when everybody found out that he was going to be playing bill that was really exciting there's just like that seems perfect we liked him in fogo once who's the girl girl you're singing about there's no girl you like it when your beard touches another beard he doesn't even know his name is true bill no funny right bill would frag bill and frank are you i like this though they go we need names who are they gonna be i don't know frank bill go bob and joe well hey it's been a while for both of them i suppose well it's uh it's official pianos are gay what will be the straight instrument guitar accordions actually electric guitar i don't have sex for lunches sex for brunches not even great ones if i do this i'm gonna stay for a few more days wait isn't that just the same thing that makes you more of that actually makes you look like more of a whore you're a frugal whore yeah it seems like you're not you're just negotiating honestly yeah i thought he was gonna go the direction of like this means something to me as opposed to i'm bottering for more than just a meal here okay i'm getting a couple days i think he also knows that bill probably doesn't want him to go either god the no-no zone oh it's interesting right because bill comes across quite strong and antisocial but in an environment like that he's fucking super vulnerable right this is for us who cares what they look like i do oh we're getting racist isn't just our hat you live in a psycho bunker where 9 11 was an inside job and and the government are all nazis the government are all nazis well yeah now but not then not then i am asking for some paint and some gasoline for the lawnmower that's all i'll do everything else myself oh he wants to like make the place look nice i guess okay okay just tell me why paying attention to things it's how we show love and i'm fixing up some of the shops not the stupid ones just the the wine shop and the furniture store wait what are the stupid ones and the clothing anything that isn't a wine shop or a furniture store or a clothing boutique our memory store from the memory store we're gonna make friends and we will invite them to visit there are no friends to be had i've actually been talking to a nice woman on the radio what you watch yeah that's a good reaction right oh my god hey oh you're a paranoid schizophrenic too i'm not haha but i am paranoid it's a very nice dovetailing of the plot lines i like this well can i how nice this is to have a civilized meal in such a beautiful place it's been so long i mean i still i want to thank you even if you don't end up working together he's got his gun on it yeah we are i think i haven't had a meal of this caliber and such i mean a fine meal a lot of time uh frank uh ellie asked about frank and bill i think joel said frank is nice so yeah he clicks the hammer back now that it's just one of them too again yeah i wouldn't be happy either one of all the people you could have found on the radio were actually decent people just trying to get by uh huh what a coincidence well aren't i the lucky one books medicine machine parts we can't help each other and get that gun out of my face prepper or something survivalist we're self-sufficient here i don't need you or your friend complicating our lives that fence it's got a year on it tops galvanized wire already started to corrode i can get you 10 spools of high tensile and he writes it's not only that he's been living in the post-pocalypse but that joel is uh he was like a contractor for buildings and stuff yep yeah he'll know about materials and stuff oh yeah right it's just a reality of stories like this we're working together we'll get you results you wouldn't even expect i think it's pretty clear that that's what we're going for here right it's like bill's notion of self-sufficiency is kind of like not real there are certain things that he doesn't know and there are certain things that he can't do for himself there are certain needs that can't be fulfilled in the absence of other people no matter how you might have to cooperate with other people as independent as you think you are you know but that just invariably exposes him to new dangers of course it does because like yeah maybe so really you know maybe joel and tess are nice but what about the next one the thing is and joel just said like you know warning there will be raiders eventually i would almost be able to interpret that as a threat yeah that's almost like what i think but maybe it depends on the conversation and their dynamic but it's just that you can't know isn't it because it's like if joel asks you to cooperate the nice way and if you don't he might bring back his friends someday but then there's just the gets to the illusion of safety that he has here that's you know it's like yeah yeah well how'd you get those cars like that maybe they found uh i think both of their beads have changed color traded joel and tess one of your guys yeah i love it we're getting older raw berries see you wouldn't have this unless you were nice to joel oh i don't take the the leaves off i use them as a little handle sometimes too i go back and forth i eat the leaves they're good for you i'll see them i am very thankful and i'm sorry i'm allergic to strawberries i should have told you getting older faster than you owner means we're still here i was never afraid because he had nothing to lose that's a cool line yeah that is a good line though i guess it's particularly uh sad if you know where this ends well and kiss me in the strawberry patch i mean how can you not as well start to link this what do you think the point of all this is the rip it away from him well i mean the point broadly would be like yeah that's kind of the trade off isn't it for these like really uh oh what's about to happen here oh we got raiders what i was going to say is the what do you think ellie represents in joel's life right it's a it's a reason someone cares about so much because it seems like what we're gunning for with bill was that he was surviving but he wasn't living wow oh yeah yeah he was surviving but he wasn't getting much out of life he was simply existing if anything yeah now that's why he's everything's different now because this is actually great for him oh now he has nothing that he can lose i sure do hope nothing bad happens to anybody i just feel like that's gonna be what we're supposed to incorporate into thinking about joel and ellie is oh sure which is what i think a lot of side characters supposed to do right and y'all don't keep a lot of different yeah no don't go outside now i can see you i don't even know if bill's giving this guy like proper instruction of what to do and where to go there's bill now he's still there just getting him through it oh he's being covered dude you gotta wow you're just like standing out in the open you wouldn't have thought like a doomsday prototype he'd be like in a bird's nest sort of thing wouldn't he not just standing out there like that doesn't he have like a bunker does he not have a bulletproof vest at the very least yeah yeah you think i guess if you went out there in a rush but still feels really weird to just shoot out in the open like that yeah you're not even going to shoot from the windows of the um the house and everything all right bill you got shot because you were standing in the street you know work on that next time buddy yeah that was really dumb bill i don't expect this kind of sloppy maneuver of being from you if they just wander into the fence i guess you ain't dead yet that could just be a flash wound you might be all right kind of interesting that he would in desperate moments tell him to go to joel i must mean that he believes that joel is the kind of person that would take care of people yeah oh i've definitely gone on now 2023 santa maybe kind of a young santa it looks like Jordan Peterson from that angle did you clean your room they gave nick offerman loads of are they called liver spots the spots you get when you get older yeah sorry i think they may have given them a little too many i call them wisdom speckles i'm not fighting about it back in bed promise you i'm gonna stay up why because this is my last day what if we find a doctor what if what if someone shows up who can help who's coming bill the door to door mri salesman i'm not gonna give you the every day was a wonderful gift from god's speech i've had a lot of bad days i've had bad days with you too just give me one more good day then you will crush all of these up put them in my wine i will drink it i can't i can't well i don't really have commentary for this just sad yeah i'm just uh i'm just watching it's very sad yeah i have commentary that's an ugly shirt some obviously it's realities of stuff of shit like this i was a real life but uh this would totally happen in post-apocalyptic places because there's so much less ability to circumvent disease and we're just yeah that he got sick you know and there was nothing that could be done about it what is the last of us as a game there's point all about isn't it like it's worth hanging on to what remains of the best of experiences we can have with each other as opposed to desperately clinging to just exist um yeah that's what it felt it felt like by the time you hit the end of the game right like it was like yeah ellie's worth everything and i imagine that's what's being reflected here oh that's what we're doing here it's what the first meeting yeah this is a meal dinner and this is last yeah with the wine it's hard to portray like a whole uh what two decade long relationship in just 40 minutes ish yeah good zigzag they get along they fight one one's life is in danger and then it's flipped now yeah it feels like they covered all of the necessary beats to get to this point all the things that a normal relationship has you know enough to kill a horse i'm satisfied and you were my purpose oh it should be furious it's incredibly romantic that is a big deviation from the game i was watching this episode wondering if they were gonna do this well so the thing about it is that felt uh appropriate considering the story they've been telling given all the context that we had yeah this does seem like this seems like something that would happen oh there was a lot of trust given him the uh yeah code i quite like that that's a sign that something's very wrong yeah it's from bill and was this so they're dead take anything you need the bunker code is the same as the gate code but in reverse but still it's like we're friends almost and i respect you i used to hate the world and i was happy when everyone died i saved him yep there you go that's why men like you and me are here we have a job to do and god help any motherfucker who stand in our way i leave you all of my weapons and equipment use them to keep oh i'd be tasked when i stay here yeah the game is his portion is all about getting a car in working order right yes and it looks just like this car as well they have to go to the school to get the battery i think and then shit tons of infected arrive and that was the reveal of the bloater as a boss so i think people might have been disappointed with like the no bloater reveal yet that's only getting obviously you know give it time you'll get you a bloater probably listen about tess hey look um about tess i don't even know what here's all these things gonna play out if i'm taking you with me there's some rules you gotta follow rule one you don't bring up tess ever you don't bring up tess ever matter of fact we just keep our histories to ourselves matter of fact we can just keep our histories to ourselves rule two you don't tell anyone about your condition secondly don't tell anybody about your condition they think you're crazy we'll try to kill you they see that bite mark they won't think it through they'll just shoot you rule three you do what i say when i say it and lastly you do what i say when i say it we clear we clear yes repeat it what you say goes sure repeat it what you say goes good yeah they got some stalking up to do this guy was a genius i guess this is a good stash right as opposed to take everything from here grab some cans from over there nothing dented or swollen dude no there's a wall fucking with clocks the odds are pretty high she saves it with the gun yes he's like well i'll do the payoff right they'll do the the one from the game yeah it's the first time i wonder what it's like to approach a car without any context of i guess it would be pretty interesting yeah is it weird that i think sometimes when i'm driving like what if like a in a time machine like george washington or something was in my car and i had to explain to him not to panic on the road because everyone stays in the lines you're like no no it's fine we all stand the lines it's