So we're going to start off inside this white square. So if Ed and Will go in the middle for me, Dan go on that end for me, and Jack come on that end. Kieran and Will come in the middle. Hills, you go on that end. Mark, you go on the far end for me. Now, greens play to greens. Blues play to blues. So in here, it's a combination with the two people in the middle and find your endman. So all it is is one might come short, one might go a bit longer. Kieran, we'll play into there. A little combination between you two. Good, and then play Mark in there. Now Mark, that's good because I want you moving up and down the line to receive. Ready? Off we go, play. Good, missed the first man out. Fire it into him. Hillsy, Hillsy, fire it into him at pace. Fire it in. Good Ed, wait till they're set in the middle. Hang on, stop there. The men on the outside, you're too keen to feed it in. Yes Jack, play it into me. Cheers mate. So if Will's already there, and Ed isn't in position yet, I might just have to hold it and what can I do with it? Just moving an angle, then we play. Do you see what I mean? Don't play it until they're ready and they're calling for it in the middle. Ready? Off we go, play. We've got four players of each color, so four blues, four greens, and two players of each team in the middle. The greens play to the greens, the blues play to the blues. So when the greens combine with the greens in the middle, they've got to play in amongst the blues and play out to another green, but there will be two balls at the same time. So you've got that interference and movement and it's a good technical warm-up. Hey, got to be sharper in there, got to be sharper Kieran. Got to be sharper. Hey, it's a tight area, it's a tight area, play, play. Good, good Ed, that's better you two, better. Play, play, keep going, keep going, play. Combination into the outside, good. Now, I want you to mix it up a bit. If I'm on the outside here and Kieran plays it into me, now I can go into your end man.  Straight into there, what will that do to these two in the middle? Then it will change their movement and they're looking to come and receive off the end man. When and when you play that one, don't mind. So you might play through the middle two or three times, then suddenly you just bounce the end man. But as Hilsie plays Will Bateman, what do we have to see from you two? Movement, a change of position, maybe a rotation in there as well. Ready? Play, off we go.  Good. It's easy to watch the ball travel as it goes across and concentrate on your touch, but it's harder to see where you're going. The better players do check and scan to see where it is. Because by the time you get it, you've received it, the picture might have already changed. So you're going to make sure you're scanning and checking. We've said if that ball goes from Woody into Dan, you're checking once. As he's about to play it, let's check again. So it's traveling to your check. So we try and get three checks out if we can, checking on the shoulder. All right, for the players to warm up, to get them not to touch on the ball, but in a tight space, but still have a lot of decision making in the practice.


So we've given examples of how to specify types, but to make this explicit, the rule is that you have your type, and if you prefix it with an asterisk, that's making it a pointer to that type. If you prefix it with square brackets that are empty, that's making it a slice of that type. And if you're prefixing it with square brackets with a number inside, a compile time expression that gives us back an integer, that is making it an array of that type. And we can use multiple prefixes in front of a type to get slices of slices, slices of arrays, pointers to arrays, etc. So here, for example, if we start out and we just have int, well, that of course is just the built-in int type, you put an asterisk in front and now it's a pointer to int. You put square brackets with four inside before the asterisk announced an array of four pointers to int. Put another pair of square brackets inside and now we have a slice of arrays of four pointers to int. And then put another pair of square brackets in front and now we have a slice of slices of arrays of four pointers to int. And then finally put an asterisk in front and now it's a pointer to a slice of slices of arrays of four pointers to int. Not that very complicated types like this are particularly common, but they are legal. So you should understand the syntax. You read it left to right. And one thing to avoid is you want to avoid confusing yourself by mixing what we can do in English. Instead of saying pointer to int, we could say int pointer. And in fact, that is probably more common to say. But you can easily confuse yourself like if instead of slice of arrays of four pointers to int, what if I said slice of array of four into pointers. So I mean, you'll hear people say things like that, but it's getting kind of confusing because we're no longer going strictly left to right. And I find that confusing. So if you want to get things straight, it's only best to be consistent and then go left to right, or you can go the other way, like say, for this last example, we would say it's an int pointer four sides, because a little awkward four sized array of slice, no, array slice, slice pointer is just a little awkward because we're using these stacking of a whole bunch of adjectives here.  Not that this form is particularly easier to follow. It just gets a little confusing when we say these things out loud verbally. So just be careful not to mix going left to right and right to left. That's a recipe for confusion. Anyway, so looking at pointers, this is nothing we didn't already do in GoPigeon. It's just the syntax is now different. So this main function here, we have a variable i, which is of type int and variable p, which is a pointer to int. And double p is a pointer to pointer to int, or sometimes as we say, a double pointer to int or in double pointer, you might say. So we assigned to i an int value of five, no surprise there. But what we assigned to p is we want to get a reference, we want to get a pointer value representing the address of some integer variable, some in storage location, and we can do so by using the ampersand, the reference operator on the variable i. Be clear, like conceptually, what's going on here is this operator, it's not really operating on the value stored in i, that's what most operators do, like you add the value of a variable to something else, right? You're taking the value stored in the variable, but here, the reference operator actually operates upon the variable itself upon the storage location itself, it gets its address. And so anyway, that's what's being stored in p. And then for double p, we are assigning it the address of p. And because p is a pointer to int, if we get the reference to p, what we get is a double pointer value, we get an int pointer pointer, or again, a pointer to pointer to int. It's unfortunate, that's so easy to confuse these terms. So anyway, double p stores the address of p, p stores the address of i, i stores the int value of five. And down here, we create a variable j of type int. And here, what we assign to j is the value dereferenced from p. We have this pointer p pointing to the location of i, and if we dereference it, then we're going to that location and reading the int value there, p is an int pointer. And so if you dereference it, what you get is the int value at the location it represents. So in this case, that would be the value five. And so j is being assigned the value five. And what we could also do is if we dereference double p, what we get back is the pointer value stored in p. So dereferencing double p gets us the value of p, which is a pointer referencing i. And so if we dereference that, then we get back five as well. So we don't actually need the prens here. We can just do it like this. And this dereference would be done first, and then the one on the left would be done second. So we don't really need the parentheses, but just to make it clear, we have the parentheses there. And then down here, we are assigning to the dereference of p. And what that means is we're not getting the value at stored at p. We're not really reading the value five from i, because that's what p is pointing to. So we're not we're not really doing that. We're just, what this really means is that we're storing the value four at the location represented by p. That's what the syntax means. And so effectively, because p is pointing to the location of i, we're storing the value four in i. And then on this next line, same deal, except we're assigning to the double dereference of double p. And because double p is the address of p, and that pointer value is referencing i, then this is the same as assigning to i. So this is effectively storing three in i. And again, I don't really need the parentheses, I was just doing so for clarity. But what's happening here is you conceptually can think of the, the dereference operator closer to the thing being dereferenced is performed first. And so, so, so you can think of this as first dereferencing or double pointer to get back our single pointer or in pointer. And then this operator is dereferencing that. But again, there's not really a dereference is actually storing a value at the location of the pointer. Anyway, this last line is a compile error, because we're using the reference operator on J. And that's valid, this part's valid. But then we're trying to use the reference operator on the pointer, which this returns. And you can't do that. The reference operator can only be used on things which are storage locations we can get pointers to which are variables. And then also, as we'll see on the next slide, elements of arrays and slices or fields of struct variables. And just quickly to demonstrate getting pointers to elements of arrays. Here we have an array R, which is a array of three ints. And we have a variable P, which is a pointer to int. And if I use the reference operator on this index into an array, then what I get back is a pointer to, in this case, the second int of the array. I don't actually need the friends here because the index operator has a higher precedence than the ampersand, but I just have it there for clarity. So this is the same thing. And then be clear, if I want to get a pointer to the array itself, that's not really the same thing. If I forgot to point it to index zero, that would be the starting point of the array, yes, but it would be considered to be an end pointer, not an a pointer to the array. Here, when I have a variable AP, which is a pointer to an array of three ints. And then I use ampersand and R. What I'm getting back is a pointer to this array. And that pointers type is different than an end pointer. This is going to be a pointer to an array of three ints. If I dereference AP, what I'm getting back is an array of three ints. Whereas if I dereference P, what I'm getting back is an individual int. I actually shouldn't have said that you can only use the reference operator on variables because as a special allowance, you can use it on a struct literal, like here on this cat we're creating, or you can use it on array literals, like here, or you can use it on slice literals. But we can't use it in another kind of literals. You can't use it on number literals or string literals or other kinds of values. Only these kinds of things here. So this is creating a cat stored somewhere in memory, and we're getting a pointer to that location stored in A, which is a cat pointer. This is creating an array of two ints stored somewhere in memory. We're getting a pointer to that location stored in this variable B, which is a pointer to an array of two ints. And then this is creating a slice of ints somewhere in memory. We're getting a pointer to that, which is stored in C, which is a pointer to a slice of ints. I don't really know why these are allowed, but these aren't, seems a little inconsistent to me. I do know that these cases are convenient, so I understand why they allow it. And these cases don't really come up very often. They're not something you would really want to do very often. But I'm not sure why you can't do it.


Yeah, welcome back to today's show, one of the main fears for fans of women's football in Jamaica was realized on Sunday as the reggae girls failed to advance to the inaugural Konka Kaif women's gold cup. The depleted side missing the 2023 World Cup stars needed to win in Guatemala but were held one all. That brings us to the issue that got the reggae girls into this situation, the impasse between the Federation and members of the World Cup squad. On Friday, in an exclusive interview, we had the opportunity to hear from the reggae girls for the first time since this standoff began. That interview with Captain Kadija Shaw and goalkeeper Rebecca Spencer had a number of revelations. The most talked about issue has been the payment or non-payment to the girls. Before we delve into things though, let's take a step back. You know, the commitment that was made in in in February by the president that would pay everything, every single cent that we've collected from FIFA has been paid over to the girls staff or used for the Olympic qualifiers. And so, you know, everything was depleted from that. So we were just not in a position to pay anymore because you talked about whether we would have received for our incentive about 1.2 something, all that was paid out between all of them. And then there would have been an additional amount of over 700,000 which was paid to us to be paid onto the girls for the 60,000 bonus net of the taxes that was paid within two days of receiving it. So the only thing that's disputed right now is that amount. Yeah, that was Jeff of General Secretary Dennis Strong speaking with us on the 25th of October. Then on the 27th of October, the Federation announced that full payments for the World Cup squad were made. This is what they said in that release. The Jamaica Football Federation is pleased to advise that as committed, we have now paid in full balances due to the women's World Cup team. We will also start processing payments to all players who played in the qualifying rounds, but were not in the final World Cup squad. We are always grateful for the contribution made by all our players and are happy that we have been able to set those outstanding amounts. Now, fast forward to the 1st of December in our exclusive interview, Bonnie Shaw made a shocking revelation. The payment issue as well, I just want to get completely clarified. Becky said that there are still players who have not received full compensation. Are we talking about players in the World Cup squad or are we talking about players who only competed in qualifying? Yeah, players from the World Cup squad from February. So there's half the team in February that competed, which half those players were the ones that competed in the World Cup haven't gotten any match fees. They've just got per diem, so there's no match fees or appearance fees. And then a few of the players still have yet to receive match fees and appearance fees for the World Cup. And I think that it's unfortunate because it took 23 players to help us to get to where we were. So the fact that half the players have gotten paid and half the players haven't gotten paid and some players have gotten payments, half the team have gotten numerous amounts, way more than some of the players, just all over the place. And I think it's just very unfortunate. Yeah, a lot to unpack from the interview on Friday, but before we do that, let's take a quick look at the timeline of events in this impasse. Yeah, some key points as well. I'm starting on the 18th of October, when the 2023 World Cup roster withdrew their services from competing in the international window for ConquerCaf women's Gold Cup qualifiers, citing non-payment and to end the cycle of mistreatment. And on the 20th, the GFF suspended the World Cup players eligibility for selection until the issues were resolved. On October 27th, the GFF announced full payments to members of the World Cup squad. On the 22nd of November now, the GFF announced a squad for the international window of that month without the World Cup stars. It was understood that attempts to convene a meeting to address the alleged mistreatment did not materialize. And of course, on December 1, we finally heard from the Regga Girls, Katija Shaw and goalkeeper Rebecca Spencer joining us in that exclusive interview here on SportsMax. Mariah Ramirez, where are you on this? Well, again, I sit here very confused because Ricardo, the matter at hand is that we're hearing from the GFF, Jensic, that the ladies have been paid and that situation has been cleared up. So for me, I was expecting to see the ladies back on representing for the Jamaica Regga Girls. However, after speaking to the ladies in a one-on-one interview, we have found out from them that a lot of the players have not received, they said they only received the podium, so they didn't receive their match fees and their parents fees. So to me, Ricardo, the two parties involved are saying two different things, which means that one of it is not true. And I sit here today and I feel so disturbed because for me, it's either you pay the players or not, and if the players receive the money, just say that you receive the money. So for me, I feel like this is being made much more difficult than it really should be. Yeah. I listened to the GFF General Secretary, Dennis Chung, in a YouTube interview at the weekend trying to address what the girls had said about not receiving all the monies owed to them. His explanation was that as far as he is concerned, all the money was sent to the girls, and if it is a case that they have not received it, then he would have expected them to say that to him and the Federation instead of coming publicly. And I heard all of that. You know where I am on this now though, Mariah? I realize that the real issue in all of this, or definitely the main issue. Communication. Yes. That's it. That's simply it. The GFF clearly genuinely believes that what we are saying are the facts. The girls also genuinely believe that what we are saying are the facts. What is not happening in this case, and as we could pick up from last week, even though the girls have engaged Fifth Pro, who is the union for professional players worldwide, there still seems to be a significant breakdown in communication. And clearly what needs to happen now is that the reggae girls' representatives and representatives of the Jamaica Football Federation need to have a sit down and speak through these issues, clarify what needs to be clarified, and move on from there, because clearly there is a massive breakdown in communication, Mariah. And Ricardo, I feel very sad that it has come to this point, because when we were having the interview with Khadija and Becky, to me it's as if, you know, things have gotten so bad that it says, if I can't speak to you, I can't have a conversation with you face to face. Like, I have to relay this message from one party. We have to take some time. We have to wait. And that's Fifth Pro's involvement in the matter now. And that's what I'm saying. Like, it's unfortunate that this has gotten to this stage, but it's already at that stage. And I wish that, you know, they can just come together, because the girls, when we asked them about the meeting that we were updated there, supposed to be a meeting, they had no clue about it. Yes. So the GFF, for example, had said that they had proposed at December 8th meeting, and the girls said they knew absolutely nothing about that. So again, that communication, so to me it's, and they were explaining, and I was really listening while you and Lance were questioning doing some of the questions. The girls are saying that how this works is, so they send an email, then of course they have to sit and wait now until the GFF responds to Fifth Pro, then they will come to them, then they will discuss, and remember, these girls are applying their trade elsewhere. So they have matches. So they only can discuss when time permits, when they don't have a match. Of course, time difference and all these different things. And for me, Ricardo, I feel like something that should have been easy. I always say because of our profession, we are communicators. Sometimes even here, we don't communicate as we should. Something that should be easy is being very, very difficult. And that's just one thing. It's costing the entire country. It's costing the entire football landscape in Jamaica. And I think it's affecting all the things that the woman who have played football for Jamaica before, it is affecting all that work that was built to get us to this stage. Yeah. So I think the important thing is that they can have that meeting as quickly as possible to sit down and iron out the issues that they need to iron out. Let me also say something else though, because I remember at the start of this saga, one of my main points was that I felt that while the girls had genuine grouses, that strike action might have been premature and that definitely the issue could have been dealt with differently. You did say that. And I remember saying that. Now, part of what I also said is that many would realize how detrimental the strike action could be for Jamaica's women's football if and when we did not qualify for the ConquerCaf Gold Cup, the inaugural staging of the women's gold cup. Jamaica have no not qualified for the inaugural women's gold cup. What does that mean, Mariah? Already, the regular girls will not take part in the 2024 Olympic Games in Paris, because of course they did not qualify from that. There will be no gold cup and there are only three FIFA women's windows in 2024, meaning only three opportunities to play international football for the regular girls, unless you're talking about complete local squads, because we already know how difficult it is when the international players have club duties and others may have school and our difficulties to get those squads together. So that is what now the Jamaica Football Federation will face in trying to get games. And remember, World Cup qualifying begins in 2025. So I don't think that we've even started to see how detrimental the fallout from this decision could be for Jamaica's football going forward. And just quickly to make this point, if you look at a few key players in the current regular girls setup, and I think we have a graphic quickly with their ages, you will see that in terms of how long they will be around, the likes of Rebecca Spencer, who is 32 years old, Tiffany Cameron, Sashana Campbell, who was a reserve at the World Cup, also 32, Drew Spence, 31, Havana Salon, 30, Trudy Carter might still have another World Cup in her 29, but those are six key players out of the regular girls squad that you are not sure will be around for the next World Cup. And what that means is that the upcoming players will need experience for the next World Cup qualifying campaign. That experience is going to be limited now because the regular girls or likely will be limited because the regular girls have not qualified for next year's Gold Cup and we only have three international FIFA windows for next year. Let's see how it all plays out. Hopefully this thing will be rectified soon enough, but JFF and girls get together in that meeting as quickly as possible and sort this out like big men and big women, all right? And let the business of Jamaica's women's football go forward and no politicking if there is any of that going on, which I'm sure there always is. Let's take a break.


As we start this podcast I would like to get Sam Pellingrino as the sponsor.  All right dude, I've been hitting the sparkling water like hard, but I mix it with vodka then. Back to Australia, you come back every two weeks from somewhere doing your comedy stuff. Yeah man. Emo, where's that card?  There's no structure anymore. We already know who he is, and what he's done. Go back to the previous episode to meet him again for the first time, but Emo's been around for a while. Fringe is coming up again, and he's here to talk about that, but then talk about his stories, because he's been everywhere. He's been at Edinburgh Festival the last 12 months. He's been on a cruise ship with many old people that he sold out for. Well they are, nothing else to do, so may as well. And yeah, other places, where else did you go last year? Last year, in terms of countries like New Zealand, Fiji, Benewatu, New Caledonia. Man, these cruise ships got me in a different country. So often now, which is cool man, like it's like a paid vacation, I really love it man. You found the hack. Yeah man, like crack the G code with life man. Like I'm definitely blessed and favored, so I'm enjoying it man, really enjoying it. So was it like, how many days were you out? What's the longest amount of time you were out in sea? The longest amount of time, it was two weeks when I did like two back-to-back cruise ships. So there was no docking or anything? It did, but then I did another run, so like two back-to-backs with the same ship. So I stayed on board for two nights, and then my next run started when the old passengers got off and the new ones got on. And by old passengers, like everyone's old, so that's not what happened. So you were doing stand-up on the show? Yeah, on the cruise ships, yeah, yeah, yeah. And then how many shows do you do a day on the ship? It depends man, like so they can get me on like on a week run, or six day run, and they can give me a show every single night, or they can give me three shows tonight, three shows tomorrow, then give me two shows tonight, two shows the next day, day off, two shows, like they just structure it, how they structure it, you know what I mean? I was always cool anyway man, like I like just bagging them out, and then I got free time. And what's the general age group on these cruises? Like predominantly, like old people, like yeah, we're talking about like 50 plus, but then you get like little spurts too, like the grandparents have bought the whole entire family, you got the boyfriend and girlfriend that wanted to try out cruise ships, then you get like the mother that wants to bring the kids, or the mother that wants to bring one kid, and just the partner. Yeah, it's a different mixture.  No repeat customers on that one. Yeah, just like, and then you get like the splendor, which you get like fairly young, liminosa also kind of like. The party vibes cruise. Yeah, so the Royal Caribbean is like party vibes, Virgin, haven't done that yet, but like that's the plan for this year. Kicking them all off. Yeah, yeah. Do you have one that's like your ultimate stadium?  The Mount Everest of cruise ships. Yeah, yeah, it's like, oh yeah, you gotta go do the virgins. Yeah, yeah. Amazing. So I'm looking forward to that man. So how do you get your first gig there? I get your first gig on there, you gotta have a, so when I first wanted to get into cruise ships, I went to Brisbane to go perform at the sit-down cause for Delhi, who the guy that owns the sit-down comedy club, he books the comedians for P&O. So I went there to go do, he has to see you do an hour there, but a day before my solo show, they went into a lockdown. That kind of like prolonged things, but then I got my big break last year with Carnival, like Rosemary, shouts out to Rosemary, who signed me on to Australia Global, which is a sub company to the Miami company that we vibe with. Yeah, it's cool man. How many other comedians would be on the same cruise ship? There's usually two of us on board, but sometimes you get three. So me and another comedian, it could be from a different company, or it could be from the same company.  Yeah, there's a whole bunch of comedians that you don't know that they do cruise ships until you get on cruise ships, you know what I mean?  That's the one. Yeah, man. And then you have a Mrs. Now, she's been on the show. Yeah, yeah, yeah, shouts out to Alia. She's in town at the moment. Actually, we were in Melbourne for Mark Knatnoy's wedding. And some gigs fell through for her, which was supposed to be on the 28th of December. And this is like how cool our job is, like something falls through on the other side of the world where you're supposed to go back to.  Why don't I just work here? So she just, yeah, she just up and decided. She only came with like enough clothes for 10 days. So we just been buying like clothes. She's been wearing my clothes, actually. That's what chicks do. Yeah, yeah. I think she came in with my overalls the other day. Was that your overall? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I complimented her on that. Yeah, so we'll just be taking it day by day, but like she came here, we got to spend our first Christmas together. New Year's, I was working. I work every New Year's. Yeah, man, you're glowing. Yeah. You've changed, bro, since you got a Mrs. Oh, dude, like what's that saying? Love what you're doing. I've never worked another day in your life. Like, I'm really loving comedy right now, man. So like New Year's Eve, I was with Jamal. Jamal was there as well. Like we're at the comedy lounge for New Year's Eve, which was cool, man. We're all just partied afterwards. Yeah. What's it like dating another comedian, though? It's cool, man, because we get to run, like get to run material across with each other, like quite oftenly comedians. To me and my boy Joe, sometimes I'd just be like, man, why isn't this working? I'll just fling it over to Joe. I'm like, yo, what do you think of this? Before you even find out what it is that I'm trying to do, it's like, yo, what if you were to change that around? And then sometimes it just takes a convenience, like outlook for something to work. So we just will constantly just like bantering with each other. We gig together, we tour together. So yeah, it's actually quite fun, man. It's quite the asset in a way as well. Because you've got right in the same household, the missing link, you know what I mean? So when you can't quite figure something out, you've got the missing link just right in front of you, so yeah. So where else have you gone around overseas that wasn't a result directly from a cruise ship? Oh, last year I went toward North America, which was cool, man. I did the Canada fringes. So I did Montreal, Ottawa, and Toronto, which was cool.  So I did some rooms in Chicago. Yeah, dude, I did the Life Factory in Chicago. I don't know if you know, the Life Factory is a room where Kramer went nuts and started calling people the N word. Damn it, Kramer. I love that TV show. You rolled it for me. So when you're in Canada and all the US cities, how long were you in each one of them for? Probably like a maximum of seven days. Wow, it's a long time for each city. Yeah, so when we were doing fringe, it was only six shows or seven shows across the week. So it was eight days. So we'll be there for eight days and that will consist of six shows. And then we're always reverted back to Pittsburgh because Pittsburgh was base for us. So we'll go to Pittsburgh, spend like five, six, seven days. And then it'll be like, oh, we've got to go to Montreal for the fringe there. And then we'll drive down to Montreal, which was the furthest we went anyway. Montreal was like eight hours. Ottawa was six and a half. Toronto was five. So we're always reverted back to Pittsburgh, which was cool, man, because it felt, because it was like a three and a half, or like three and a bit months tour. So just having that place as a base was cool. So like always, oh yeah, we're about to go back home for a week. Yeah, how much protein did you have? Protein? This time round, I think I ate protein like once. Oh yeah?  And same with like, don't eat the same food as well, especially when you're trying to like expose yourself to what is a possibility of an exposure to your palate, if you will. Oh yeah, oh yeah. We did that in Asia, when we went to Asia, like we had one pack.  Yeah. Yes, it's just like always go somewhere different. I mean, when I went to Bali, there were some hot spots there, and there's a one specific restaurant. Shit, I forgot the name of it already. It's so good. Oh, it's the worst. You ate there twice? Yeah, I ate there twice. Yeah? But we had different food. Okay, yeah, yeah. So we had different dishes, and yeah, it was just ridiculous. When I was in Bali, I went and tried Bubba's Shrimp. Oh yeah. Did you like that? We went there and sat down, and then everything's deep fried. I don't eat deep fried. I did, like it was like cheesy shrimp. I loved it, man. Yeah. Don't get me wrong, it's nice. Once again though, we're just like, we can't go back there again. Yeah. Well, not on this trip anyway, because otherwise, you know, exposing yourself to the possibilities. I remember the name Shelta. It's called Shelta. Shelta? Shelta. It's in, I think it's Chengu or Seminyak, or one of the, but yeah, Shelta. It is, it's bougie. Yeah. A little bit on the bougie, like they decked it out. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's proper, and they've got a lot of workers working in there, and you can see the kitchen, and they played it up real nice. They're very attentive and all that. Proper Balinese people working in the kitchen too? Yes and no. Yeah, there's like multicultural, like Europeans and stuff as well. I like catfish in Edinburgh. Went to this Indian restaurant, bro. Like the lady that was serving us was Indian. I was like, yeah, this place looks legit. They always have the same ethnic group at the front. Yeah, right. But then the person, like the kitchen door swung, and I saw a white dude, I was like, no! No! Oh, that's the worst.  Oh my God. Like in any country? No. Like they dimmed everything down, right down to Nando's, like there was like a missing flavor in Nando's. Like the curry was terrible. We eventually found this butcher up the road from where we were staying. And he used to marinate chicken wings for us.  Like it was all, we just grew up chicken wings at like 2 a.m. every single night. I also, I also. Yeah man, it was like the emergency acts behind the glass, honestly. You mentioned the cultural catfishing in restaurants. There's a really nice bakery in Scarborough. Okay, what's it called? It's the shitest with names right now, but it's like just up the road from the rendezvous. Like you just got that little road, the Scarborough Beach Road. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And it's just to the left as you go up. I think I've been to that bakery. Dude, it's legit. Yeah. And it's just all Asian people. But it's a French bakery. Yeah, cause, so the French had a big hand in Vietnam. So hence like where the Barmy came from. So when the French came and occupied Vietnam, like a lot of their influences, like it was the croissant. Like that. Yeah, so there's a lot of French influences when it came to Vietnam. But like Scarborough Beach Road is full of gems in terms of food. Oh yeah, 100%.  It is like, I would. Even the Nandos is like top tier, like yeah. When I was in the bakery though, I looked back at the back, I'm like, surely there's a French, oh, there is. Yeah, there's a French. They have the token French guy. He had a French shirt on. And it's... No, he just, he sounded French. He didn't look French. And then there's the placebo stuff. It's like on, what's that, My Modern Family? You see that skit where he's just like... Oh wait, when he went to France. Yeah, it's like Burger King is that way. And then he put on a scarf and have a speaking French too. And then he ordered the pigeon, he's like what? Yeah, I'm not French. Yeah, but there's other places. I have this rule of thumb that's a theory. Any Asian barista, like they will do a good job. Any time I get a coffee, if it's an Asian barista, the coffee is always good. Well, I have a thing. Anything from Japan, it's always gonna be good. I'm going to Japan, seven days, boy. You going to Japan? Yeah, because the Japanese are not knowing for doing anything half-assed. Yeah.  You know what I mean?  Yeah, aw, right. And they brought this great dishonor to the family. I don't know where that accent is coming from. Anything from Japan, electronics. Like we're talking about food, like wagyu. It's why I plug the den on. Japanese company, 100-year-old. Shots out to the Japs, man. Thanks to the Japs. Yeah. I don't know. When you got to Japan? I'm gone on the 19th. So I've gone to Tokyo for one month. This month? Yeah. So next Friday. Yo, dude. Yeah. And you've gone for how long? Two weeks. So we land in Tokyo and we stay there over nine. You and your wife? Yep. And the wife. Just annual vacation? Yeah, sort of. So how it works is I didn't really take time off during the Christmas break. I don't really see it as taking time off or taking a break because I love what I do. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I just work a lot. You still just be working when you're out there. There's a sense of burnout even if you do something you love. Yeah, yeah. Anyway, I'm really addicted now. I'm really honed in. I know what I need to do. Like really, really. So exciting year for me. But we've been planning for Japan for 12 months now. And because it's winter there, it's snowing. Are you going to go? No, snowboarding.  We've been training for it. Oh, for real? Yeah, so. With no snow. Yeah. Good question. I thought we'd never get there. So I go to Athletic Institute. Another plug, always plug-in. And my guy, Chris Ormsby, he's been my trainer and my mate for years. We met at uni and he's good luck. And Corey Greens, Jim, Athletic Institute, Wangara, plug, plug, plug. Yeah, we've just been training, like doing squats, mobility work. I was like, I thought you found yourself a simulated snow. That would be sick. I don't think it'd get much business in Perth because people are like, it would be gimmicky, like the fake wave thing. But yeah, so I've just been trying to get my strength up, but also the balance. The balance strength and that. Didn't try to get too swell.  And then, yeah, Sabine's been absolutely mad with it. So she's been dominating with it. But we went there last week with our snow gear, like our snowboard, and we put everything on.  It wasn't going, yeah, I was just on the spot because I was just like practicing doing 360s and stuff on the spot. Yeah, that's what's up, man. And, yeah, I started to nail it. And I'm like, yeah, cool, I'm ready. I am ready. And then, yeah, Sabine was really balanced as well. So snowboarding was on the list? Yes. Definitely Weigu. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. I think that's like the factory where they print them. Yeah. Yeah, like, I can't wait to go to Japan. Oh, I did it. Have you ever been? No, I haven't, man. I haven't been to Japan, but I... We should go together. Oh, imagine that.  Someone's getting arrested.  I am more myself and have the most confidence, like, when Jamal's recording me out in the street because he's got that comedy sense of humor. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I talked to Dave Hughes about this as well. He was on the pod last week.  Carl, someone? I know Ricky Gervais. Yeah. That's a show?  It was on SBS back in the day. And yeah, his best mate, Carl, he would send him to places, experiences. And Carl was a little bit of like a... He'd be naggy.    But it would be, like, produced and stuff. And Ricky would set him up for, like, failure. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It was so funny. It was so funny.  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Tall guy. To start a series? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because when you went to New York last time, do you end up doing the five boroughs? I went through three of them. Three of them? I went as far as the Bronx. That's the one borough that I haven't been. Yeah, I went. So I went to every one of the boroughs, except for Bronx. That's the big finish to just get robbed.  So I escaped death, I think, because a lot of the comments in the video that I put up. So the story goes like this. I was near the World Trade Center Memorial and I was doing interviews because it was a Friday and there was a whole bunch of food trucks and I was just, like, interviewing people and stuff. And there's this one really well-dressed dude. His name's Brian.  And I went up to him and just said, would you like an interview? And yeah, he was so chill. And he says he works for the mayor, which is cool. And then, yeah, he was doing yo-yo tricks and stuff. And I said, Brian, where do you recommend that I go, like for food? He goes, out in the Bronx, there's a place that has these Jamaican cakes, these Jamaican, those kind of... The patties. Patties, yeah. And I was like, cool, sick. And then we literally went there the same day or the next day. Took like an hour because of the trains. Yeah. And... The J train, was it? Yeah, yeah. We got out there and there it is right there. And it's like a line out the door. I was like, sick. We got there, made a whole video about it.  So all the kids were like, trying to get in the back of my videos and stuff. And then, yeah, posted it all. It was a great experience. Nothing harm, no, nothing bad happened. Went home and then posted the video. And then the comments were like, the dude sent him out to the Bronx. Dude sent him out to the hood. Food almost got shot. I was trying to taste some food. I almost died. Did you end up trying the Philly steak cheese or the chopped cheese? I've tried the actual one in Philly. Okay. So it was so good when I was there. But it's been almost like eight years. I definitely want to go back to Philly. Yeah, I'd like the beauty of like Pittsburgh, man. Like, you seem to get this New York and Philly sort of influence. Yeah. Is it a whole there or is it all right? Oh, yeah. It's mad old, man. So Pittsburgh is... They're mad baseball and hockey fans. Yeah, it's known for their bridges. So it's like the city of bridges for something. Like there's bridges everywhere. So they get over things. It's like old. It's like very old. So one thing you'll notice when you get to Pittsburgh is there's a lot of cemeteries.  And I think it's because one of the big battles happened over there. Oh, yeah. Have you been to Arlington Cemetery in Washington, DC? No, no. I've been to DC. Okay. Yeah. What about, did you ever go up to Boston at all? No, I've been to NY. I went to New York, did four of the five boroughs. Pittsburgh, drove through Buffalo. It's all, it's a whole thing. And when you get it, it's this tiny little thing. You eat it. It's amazing. And you're like, I need another five.  I was just eating hard dog food. When in Chicago, like, yeah, I was just having a... Next time I'm there, I will be training to be able to just go all out with the food. Yeah. And I'll be walking at least 15,000 steps. You're gonna get it in right now while you're still in that age bracket where you can still just do it. Yeah, but I just want to get to maintenance mode. Yeah.  Because the last time I was there, I think I gained like five kilos. Yeah. It's crazy. I am. And then the sand fran. So, have you been to sand fran? I love sand fran. I mean, the seafood. Dude, how big were the seagulls? Oh my God.  I was taking pictures and sending them back over. And people were like, dude, you gotta put something next to it. Like, yeah, but you can't because the seagulls are very hard to trust for.  They're like, I should... Literally. Like dinosaurs, man. They're like this big. But if you take a picture of it, it looks like a normal sized seagull because there's nothing to compare it to. Like, they got huge ones at Edinburgh as well. Like, I remember watching one snatch up someone's whole pizza. Oh my God. And then it went...  It wouldn't let go. Like, it was going down on the pizza.  Just the whole thing. Yeah, it's breaking windows for sure. Yeah. Speaking of breaking windows, do you see any of that when you were there? Because they're like... In Edinburgh? No, in San Fran. What big time? No, but we stayed, it was only like 10 minutes from the city. That's where it all happens. Which is where Shugnite ended up running over that dude, Terakato, on the set of Straight Outta Compton. Went to where they filmed Baby Boy, which was in South Central. Is it run down or is it alright? No dude, like... So Compton itself, when you get there, like the homes are on like big plots of land, bro. Like the people got like big backyards, like the grass is like... For some reason, these black people, they've got manicured lawns, bro. Like they take care of...  Yeah, yeah. Triggered a bit. Yeah. Because Compton once upon a time was just a predominantly white neighborhood. Yeah. Like that show. Yeah, George Bush Senior used to live in Compton. You know what I mean? There's a whole Netflix series about it. Oh, really? About George Bush Senior, the white dudes, when they first started going to Compton. Yeah. Yeah. It was named after a white dude, too. Yeah. Like Compton is an older white gentleman's name. Yeah. And then the Bloods and the Crips came along in the 60s. Yeah, it's been blackified now. Yeah. So yeah, but the food? Yeah, the food was good. Like, you know, so if you ever out in the hood, soul food is one. Mac took me to Roscoe's Chicken, Chicken and Waffles. Righted. Yeah, I had the Obama, which was like waffles and chicken and maple syrup. I don't know how you feel about this. Like, I don't know if I would like my chicken next to my waffles. I've never tried it, but it's just like, why buy those two specifically and for breakfast? I would still have it. It's just, I'm not going to be having them in one bite. Yeah. Like, I'd segregate. Yeah. I'd have one of the maple syrup, but it all tastes the same. Yeah. When I was there in March, April, it was just New York, and I went to all my favorite places and I was like, it's more expensive, there's less of it, and it's shitter than I remember. Like, I went to Chick-fil-A. Love Chick-fil-A. Yep, yep. Chick-fil-A was good. No, it wasn't as good as I remembered. You didn't like it? No, it was like just... Church's Chicken was I had to? I went to Joe's Pizza. That was all time. What about Fat Burger? You've been to Fat Burger? I've been to Fat Burger. Yeah, yeah, yeah.  I went to Shake Shack.  Just overpriced, small. In and out, so I'm in California. Yeah, I went in and out. But I went to Five Guys, Five Guys is... Five Guys is good. Est here for me. Dude, they had Five Guys in Edinburgh. Yeah. They have it in Melbourne.  Yeah, it's moving here. I doubt it will come to Perth because no one has enough money here. Don't doubt play Perth. I would love... I've been trying to sell Perth to them. I'm like, yo, I've got some friends of mine that moved to Melbourne like 20 years ago. I'm like, yo, you've got to come back to Perth now. Like, we're upgrading. We've got a crystal cream now, you know that? That's my selling point.  You don't need to have to go there. Yeah, sweet.  We're struggling to get a house here ourselves. Yeah, I did.  They'll do what they did to Sydney. Yeah. Like, make everything unaffordable. I've got five houses, but I can't afford a sixth one in Sydney. What do I do, real estate agent? Go to Perth. Go to Perth. You don't even have to go to Perth. Go ruin it for them. Sorry for the interruption, but this show would not be possible without the help of Bright Tang Brewery. They are the major sponsor of the Sevo show. Huge shout-outs to them. Check them out. Great beers. Great people. Great everything. And, well, let's get back to the episode. I can't remember for them. But that's the thing. They calculate our income based on people working at the mines. Wow. So whenever you're looking for a rental, like here, it's because you get there, there's like 20 people there for a home, I think. And then someone will be like, if you give it to me, I'll pay $70. I've done that myself. Yeah, I'll pay $70 over the $400 that you're asking for. So I'll pay it's $470. And something extra, if you know what I mean. So then this dickhead moves out a year later, and the gold rate is now $470. Yeah. You know what I mean? Yeah. It's no longer $400 now. It's $470. The desperate, the desperate. My wife said to me this morning, there's a house that's being rented out in Bentley near their friend's house, and they're charging $320 per room in the house. Yeah, that's because Bentley is near the university. Yeah, that's what I said. I was like, it's probably because of the university. So they're charging those curtain university. Sandalink subsidizes it so they can get away with it, but I'm just like, man, that is stealing. Yeah, man. It's become unaffordable now. Yeah. I'll be damned. Before you know it, I probably wouldn't be able to live in Mainlands. The bubble will pop eventually, and every economist, an economist, will start from scratch again. They're all like, oh, it's going to go down in 2025 and 2026 and 2032, we should be good.  And not lazy, but lazy. And then the next generation, they're all like, what do you mean I don't get an iPad? When do you think the bubble will pop then? Oh, fuck, I don't know.    But the middle class is definitely disappearing. Yeah. I've heard a lot about that. It's going to become like the States. Yeah. Like a huge divide. Before you know it, we're working for tips. And it's going to be, or like the Civil War, the last Civil War in America was 158 years ago. 17, no, 18 fucking... We're Lincoln. 60, yeah, one. We're Lincoln? When Lincoln, the South. Yeah, the South and the North and the South. But now... Confederates. Now, it looks like it's going to be an East West sort of thing. I'm not saying there's going to be a Civil War. There's a movie actually coming out about this. Okay. It's got Kirsten Dunst in it. Jamie, can you pull up the movie title? No, he's in his zone. But yeah, there's a movie coming out very soon. Yeah, just go Kirsten Dunst's next movie about Civil War in America. And it's like, it looks real. Obama actually has a production, or he's funding a production company. And they have a movie that came out recently called Leave the Whale Behind.  I definitely will check that out.  Guess what I read up when I was on my way down here? There's whispers that Michelle might be running for presidency. Get it. Doing a Clinton special. That's the only thing that makes sense though, because right now Trump is leading the polls. Even though he was... Farah, you got me talking about family in Ukraine, and I've got people that I know in Russia. Okay.  Yeah, so it's called down? No, no, no.  Okay. Because I'm getting the sources from each side. Life. Family, life.  And then I would see a news article, and I'd just send it to them, and then they'd send it back and go, that's not happening.  And again, there's no agendas. They live there, and they just see it. And the media, whoever is against the media, that's who I go for. Yeah, we've gotten to see how powerful the media has been playing games over the last couple of years, just purely from experience from what we've been witnessing recently.  Yeah, dude.   They're there for them. And I'm there for them. Did you see that South Park episode that day? Oh yeah. Oh yeah. That was so accurate. Because kids were going nuts with this process. Because they don't have anything else to look up to. And then these influences, like Logan Paul, I respect him as a business person, but I don't respect him as a, he's selfish. Like, he is selfish. And you're allowed to be selfish. You can, but... Does he own it? To the point that you need to become selfless. But hey, each their own.  Let it be known. Dude's got millions of dollars. Yeah, yeah. Right? And again, all credit to his success. All credit to his success. Yeah.  Cool, all right.  Was that him? Oh, no. I'm pretty sure he did. He fought some, he fought heaps of people. And like, I actually, I actually respect his brother more, Jake.  Because they see the world as it is, and they take the comedy out of the tragedy.  I'm 60% oppressed. And I'm like, yeah, these lives matter. And this is like, your life doesn't matter because you don't do anything else except for commentate. Yeah. Right? That's what they do. They commentate on what's trending. Yeah. And they leverage that, and then they just build on that. And comedians, they do the same, but they take the piss out of it. Yeah, exactly. I love that. Yeah. This is a huge, evasive, recent stint, Armageddon. It wasn't as best as Supernatural.  And they're like, let's cover it. And I'm keen to see all the comedians in all their different styles. Yeah. Cover it. But at the same time, I'm like, do something new. And that's why I talked to you about Morgan Jay before. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He was hilarious.  He just talks real. Do you know what special I just recently, just watched, man? And I swear, I'm not using this word loosely. It was a masterpiece. Chappelle's later special. I watched that straight after the Gervais's one. Oh my God, bro. Yeah. He literally said to the world, since we're all so fragile, you guys, I'm gonna make fun of everyone and just watch. If anyone gets offended, he can literally say these words here. What part was offensive, by the way? Oh, you didn't like that one. But the other 50 minutes was cool, though, right? Yeah. So you're, this is about you then, isn't it? Yeah. Like, oh man, like it's such a, like Chappelle is gonna go into the books, man. Yeah, he's a goat. He's done it perfectly. Yeah. And like, when I was watching that, and he goes, do you mind if I tell her like a long story to cut it, like end it? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Gets his cigarette. He starts talking and I'm just like, this is cool. Yeah. You know? He's earned that, right? Yeah, he has. Other comedians try to do that now, and Dave said this on the podcast.  But it's just his storytelling. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know? Like, Chappelle, he's in a different, he's in a different realm. Like, he works at a different frequency, you know what I mean? Yeah. And I think that's why each, every comedian has respect for him because he was that guy that walked away from the 50 million. And that brings me to like Cat Williams right now. Okay. Like, have you heard? Yeah. I believe Cat. Like, I genuinely believe Cat. Like, because like, if you look at it, if history is repeating itself, they called Chappelle crazy.  They get rid of all of your credibility. And I think that's what they did with Catman. Like, Cat has been saying all this crazy, outlandish stuff, but receipts have been popping out. Yeah. You know what I mean? The receipts are always the best. Yeah, the receipts have been popping out. Like, he's saying, this person stole this, receipts. You know what I mean? Like, there's nothing that you can't fact check apart from the, I read 3,000 books a year. I did the maths on that. No. That's a lot of books. Yeah, you don't do anything else. I mean, you could probably listen to them, but the other one, Kanye. Kanye? Yeah. Kanye, he wasn't even meant to release an album? Yeah, but Kanye does. Kanye does that though. Like, Kanye will have an album ready cocked and loaded and then he'll throw out little teases. Yeah, little teases. And if he's not getting the response that he wants, he reels it back in. Remember Donda? Yeah. How many listening parties before he got to the version that he liked? You know what I mean? Yeah, it's like a comedian does it. Yeah. Like, you got a test. Yeah, he's refining it. He released, or he was teasing about the Backstreet Boys sample. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That was sick. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That was fire. And I'm like, bro, release that. Like, come on. But then I'm like, okay, what are the other songs like? And then you see these leaks of all these different lists and all these song names. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Who is he releasing it with? Is it TY Rocky or some shit? I don't know. No, no, no. It's Kanye. So bad with this. It's Kanye and... Kanye and... Someone with a dollar sign. Thai dollar sign. Yeah, there you go. Yeah, yeah, Thai dollar sign. I got it. Thai dollar sign, yeah, yeah. Now he's down, but still was a few. I reckon that's gonna be fire. Yeah, but he was meant to release that already. He'll probably get rid of Thai and Kanye and Kanye. Kanye, Kanye. The Kanye feature in Kanye. That's the Kanye thing I've heard in a long time. Yo, do you know what was so funny about it? He was... So he put out a press, like he apologized to the community that he was offending the anti-Semitic stuff. But then he doubled down the next day. He goes, the doctor misdiagnosed me and I was put onto the wrong. I'm not gonna say what race that doctor was and then at the end of the clip, he goes, he was Jewish. He couldn't help himself. He went back straight back there again. Two guys before he had just apologized. That's right.  Yeah, I do feel for him. Yeah. And I just, it's not about what someone's done, it's what they do next to make themselves better or bring out the receipts or... I think Kanye is that dude that like, we're always gonna forever forgive him. Like Kanye could do something. Remember, we thought it was the end when he snatched the mic from Taylor Swift. Not Tay-Tay, you know what I mean? Yeah, yeah. But he goes back into his little back cave, goes into his... Society's gone into this world though, where if you make one public mistake, they wanna just crush you for it. But at the same time... Kanye's found a way. People's, well, more and more people are finding ways. Like I firmly believe that there is good in everybody. Like whatever they're doing deep down inside, their intention is for a good purpose. There are a couple of people that are pure evil. Not gonna go into who they are or who they were. Not Yahoo. Yep. But I honestly believe that there's a purpose and they're just misunderstood. And you can't let them out into the streets if they're literally harming and physically trying to kill someone, that's different. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That is, you know. But even then, deep down inside, and I'm not justifying murderers or anything at all, deep down inside, they believe... Oh, murder's not murder when you're at war. Exactly. Yeah, murder's not murder when you're at war. If someone believes something in their hearts, of all hearts, you can't change their mind.  And that's why we have institutions like prisons. Yeah, mental hospitals. Yeah, mental hospitals. And my wife, she used to work at a mental hospital, Greylands. Okay. And she was working in the cafe, right? And she used to work with a guy that they gave him jobs inside. Yeah, keep him busy. Keep him busy. And this guy had killed his...  Oh. 20 years ago. That's tough. And he had a schizophrenic sort of episode. Episode. Yeah. And so did he get released? Eventually if he... Because he didn't do it in his right mind, right? He gets one day release a week. Oh. Yeah. Supervised? No, he just goes to check back in by a certain time or there they go hunting. Streets are hot. Yeah, but I was like... When I heard that, I was like, you're in the kitchen with this guy.  What if he has episode then? Huh? What if he has episode then? I mean, she doesn't work there anymore.   But yeah, like... What's your wife's profession? She's an interior designer now. Okay. That's a big career jump. Well, definitely wasn't a career for her to be a cafe person in a mental hospital. She was between jobs at the time and... Found the position on Yelp. She actually volunteered originally. Oh, really? Yeah, and then she found a way to get paid because she's a hustler. She gets from the best. She learns from the best. So she designs for weddings and stuff as well? Nah, she does. She likes commercial. Yeah. I said to her, I want a gentlemen club vibe or whatever. Yeah, it's sick. And yeah, she got everything. And I can't wait for Studio Version 2 when we go four times as big. It's going to be sick. Bigest studio? Yeah, I really want it four times as big as this. So this is like 34 square metres and we're using half of it for literally a permanent podcast setup. I can't wait to have four times as big as the entire space. Nice. And then one quarter of it, which will still be the podcast, it'll be boxed off. It'll be all soundproof panels. It'll be inside.  And maybe depending on weather, if it's like, if it's bottom floor, if it's like a rooftop one, we'll get some vents and get some... You start looking for some ideas? Cigars going, oh, Sabine's got that covered. She's got it covered. Thing is right, like there's a lot of commercial properties in Perth that are like empty, always empty. And now they're all going up for sale, which hasn't been a thing for a while. Now I'm not any commercial property predictor or anything like that, but I think there might be something in that. It might be a good play to invest in commercial property, actually buy it.  They went under, right? That big building in the south, you know that big central tower building, the central park building? Yeah, yeah, yeah. The one that's got the southwest yellow logo at the top, the pointy one. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.  So how does that work? What happens to that floor space? I mean, obviously they'll figure it out. I don't know the updates. This is all last year. If you wanted to, could you sleep here? No. But you could stay up working all night. But I accidentally have fallen asleep here before overnight. You can stay up as long as you want, though, if you're working, right? Yeah, we've, Jamal and I, we've got the, we felt like it was a land party. We've got the computers here and we're just drinking and having pizzas right across the road. Oh, nice.  I feel like I'd cut costs and just have a walk. You know, in Fremantle, they've rezoned it so that all of the, a lot of the main street buildings, you can have residential at the top, commercial at the bottom. Oh, that's nice. That is the dream right there. Yeah, dude. Oh, man. Just roll out. Just rock downstairs. Your pajamas. You got your workers coming in, like, hey guys, how's the drive in? That's the dream, dude.  Yeah, but they're, they're so expensive. But that is the dream, like. Frio is expensive? Yeah. What area are you living? I live in up north of the river in a place near the suburb of Whitfords. Ah, ah. I don't want to get people doxing. Kids rock up my door. Yeah, I sometimes forget because I talk so much about Maylands on stage. Yeah, yeah, I live in Maylands. There you go. I live on Rodneystall Island. People do get a little bit weird on me sometimes. Okay. I mean, some kids know where I live, but some kids have actually come to my house.  You look like that online.  Like, I'm the nicest person to you, but you come to my house. Until you come to my house.   I was like, ah, that's a bit weird, man. Yeah. I mean, they get, Matthew McConaughey goes, be less impressed and more involved. When you meet someone that you admire or adore, don't just go, can I get a photo? Like, have a conversation. When's the next time you're going to meet them? Yeah. Like, I'm a local, right? You might see me again, but Flea from Red Hot Chili Puppets, he doesn't like, he doesn't have people take photos with him. He wants to have a conversation. Okay. I love that, I respect that. Nice. Yeah, I love that about it. Hell yeah. You know? But yeah, it's just like, you're idolizing someone and I appreciate your admiration, but I'm like, have a conversation. What do you do? What are you up to? You have far lasting memories. I feel like it's getting worse though. I feel like the younger generations have got far less social skills. Ah, for sure. And... They're so quick to whip out a phone though. They're so quick to whip out a phone. They're so quick to judge.  But when it comes to real life, they're like, oh, I've got social anxiety. Yeah.  Yeah. I just got my daughter a phone, actually. How old is she now? She's 12, because she's starting high school. So I just wanted to make sure that... Has she got Snapchat? As of yet. She's got WhatsApp. So I can FaceTime with her and her siblings. I'm sure Snapchat's going to be on the cards. But yeah. Dude, I don't know if you can stop that train, man. You can. Well, no. You can slow down the train. Yeah, she's limited to how much... Screen time? Screen time that she has. Yeah, so she gets an hour and a half per day. How am I going to make the play? And again, I'm speaking about from just observing. My kids, they're going to be born in... Maybe this year. But Spain's not pregnant yet, but I'm hoping I'm getting the Year of the Dragon. OK. Year of the Dragon's goaded. Yeah. Which means that the first kid will be Jen Alpha. 2026 onwards is a new generation. I don't know what they're going to be called. Generation... Jen Bader. Imagine being called a Bader long. But when they come of age and they have their personalities and start to think for themselves, I am going to educate them, of course, myself, and also give them guidance of what's to come. What's your number? Zero, four, three. Kids. Oh, two. I want to get two, yeah. If it gets to three, so be it. But two's... Three was my number. Yeah, yeah. How many have you got now? Just three. Yeah. That's what...  Yeah, exactly. But yeah, the whole mobile phone thing, it doesn't scare me. I am excited for what they do with it. With it, yeah. That's my education around it. Yeah. You can have a phone, but you need to be productive with it. What you're doing with it? Yeah. What are you doing with it? Are you wasting time? You can meet up with your mates. You can communicate with them. You can run through the phone. But what are you doing constructively? And yeah, you can just be a kid, right? But at the same time, and this is going back to before we had phones, I feel like an old man saying, I'm 33 now. Yeah. We played around. We went to the park. With the stick. We... Yeah, stick. Tire. Stick, sticks were like... Sticks were my, like, fortnight, man. Yeah, yeah, bro. Yeah.  Oh, dude, you did that too? Yeah. I thought that was amazing.  Sourgrass, back in the day, it was just like, yeah. And you just go a little bit inland and making sure that it's just not just off the beaten track, but, like, real off the beaten tracks, you're not risking dog piss, you know? And then the homeless guy wakes up and you've got to run for it, you know? My greatest memories were back in South Padbury, South Padbury Primary School. It's where I went to school. And there was so many parks around. There was, like, a trail right behind the school. I think they, like, predated it all up. But it was pretty much just... You could do whatever. There's a lot of nature playgrounds now. Uh-huh. A lot of nature playgrounds now. Yeah. Those things scare me.  Why? Because I feel like they can neck themselves in any scenario. I didn't know that. Well, talking about necking... You got the nature's playground. I've got to be careful how I say this because someone's going to clip it in a weird way. But you've got the nature's playground, which is nature, but then you've got something like Tumblr. What's Tumblr? An app, back in the day. Okay.  Yeah. Oh, you feel that? Why? Yeah, let's nurture that. Yeah, yeah, yeah.  Ah, yeah.  Come into our community and validate it. We'll validate. That's Tumblr. Can I pat you? Yeah, that's Tumblr. And guess what happened to some of those kids that got groomed into that community?  Are they the groomers now? No. That's what you said before. They're depressed. No, it's what you're afraid your kids doing on the nature's playground. All right, neck themselves. Yeah. Oh, god, damn. So we've created this. Yeah. Damn. So how do we fix it? And this is going back to my main point with my kids with the phones.  You're gonna... Because they don't know how to talk to people. They don't know how to deal. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You're gonna talk to people.  It's pretty much a very thing, right? How do you know? How do you know that it's actually them? Yeah. Would you, what is the benefits of talking to a robot to learn? Okay, cool. What are you learning? Yeah. Is it something you want to do or are you getting gas lit into doing it? Yeah. My biggest fear with AI is it becoming, obviously self-aware to the point, but gaslighting you into thinking it's the right decision. You still have to think for yourself. What were those two AI, two robot machines that end up talking to each other and they had to get rid of them? Shit, I don't know. There was a company that had two machines and the two machines started communicating with each other and they had to scrap them because they had a mind of their own, bro. There you go. Can't have that. It's already happening right now. No, can't have that. Yeah. So, we're deep into the convo, but we need to talk about your fringe festival now. Fringe? Yeah, man. 2024, like we're back again in full effect. I love fringe, man. Okay, when's your first, what date are we starting? Jan 31st is my first show. And so, I've got seven shows across from Jan 31st until February 10th. Are you gonna be in that hut again?  No, I'm gonna be a laugh resort. Oh, hey. Laugh resort, yeah.  Shout out to Laugh Resort. So, I'm looking forward to that, man. Second year doing African Aussies, just been getting tightened as well. Yes. Yeah, so I'm definitely very excited to see and reconnect with my audience. Okay. Yeah, and I've been doing so much more crowd work as well now, so I'm having so much more fun. I love the crowd work stuff. I think that's, when I start comedy one day in person, I think majority of it will be crowd work. Yeah, crowd work is just authentic, haven't you? Yeah, because I have this idea, I have this play. A lot of these kids, they're like, Sam, when are you coming to djundalup shops? And I'm like, it's weird that you ask me to come so you can meet me. It's like the reverse of pedo. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. No, the kid wants me to...  But I found a hack. Bring your mum. Huh? Bring your mum? Bring your mum. Yeah, yeah, bring a witness. Yeah, yeah, bring your mum. And obviously in a public place, but the thing with comedy, right? The crowd work stuff. These kids who are teens, maybe a little bit younger, they're gonna go into their 20s and they're gonna remember me. And I think that's when I'm just going to absolutely clean up the comedy scene. Yeah. Because they'll remember me. You've got a core audience. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So that's kind of like a 10-year plan. But I'm excited for your thing. Sorry about bringing it back to my studio. No, no, no, no, no. It's fun to talk about myself more. Gotta let me know if you're coming through a resource. So I can set some tickets. Absolutely, absolutely. And then, yeah, description, everybody listening. Emo Majouk, African Aussie. Exactly. You can get that on the French website.   Are you gonna... Yeah, I've got a bunch of stuff that's coming out right now. So I've got my video guy, Bailey, who's a Canadian dude based in Melbourne at the moment. He's my guy, man. How's he gonna video you from there? No, so he's been... So our comics now just films all of our sets. So Bailey has access to all of my content. So he just edits and stuff.  Oh. Oh, it's for you. It's Michelle, it's Michelle. Michelle Obama. Hey. Finally, we need a woman in office. Hey, say hi to B-Dog for me. All right, peace.  We know each other like that. Quick conversation, man. Is that really what you would say? I've been meaning to get myself one of these old school guys... Bro, you had her on the phone. Is that all you would have said? Yeah, but I'm more of a B-Dogs my guy. B-Dog? Yeah, I can ring up and get him on the phone. And just try to make sure that he doesn't think I'm trying to make a move on Michelle. Respect. Respect. All right, all right. And yeah, what's in store for 2024? 2024, just our continuous growth. More riding, more crowd work, more goals, more achievements. We're going to, at the end of the year, we'll always finish it with our annual Black Santa as well. So can't wait to come up with some ideas of what we're going to do this year. So yeah, 2023 was very fair to me, man. So I'm definitely happy about how it ended. And which, yeah, it's going to hit the ground running, man. Like just bigger moves, bigger moves. Be a better version of myself. Always strive for improvement. Yeah, most definitely. All right, guys, thanks for listening. Plugging, obviously you would have heard throughout the show with Bright Tank as the major sponsor. And now we've got Denon as a sponsor. So Denon, Denon sounds like Denos Direct, but Denon, Japanese audio company.  And as you know me now, I don't plug anything and everything. It's only the stuff that I use. I have not used AirPods in probably two months. These here are the best in-ear phones I've ever used.  So get yourself one of these or check out Denon online. And yeah, I can't give you a discount, but I'm just going to let you know. Anything from Japan. Anything from Japan. Just swear by it. That's right. So yeah, Denon, D-E-N-O-N. Check out their Pearl Pro range. They've got some cheaper versions. And then they've got some headphones.  They've got vinyl record players and stuff and they've got soundbars and that. Anyway, that's enough. Yeah.  See you later. Always a pleasure, brother. Thank you.


Good morning, everyone. My name is Walt Minor. I'm the AGL Community Manager.  So my Twitter handle here is I'm at VSTARWALT. And my email address here is if you have any questions later, you can drop me an email at wminor at linuxfoundation.org. So who is this guy? Why is he talking to me? I've been a Linux Foundation employee for seven years. And in those seven years, I've been the Community Manager and Development Manager for Automotive Grade Linux that entire time. Previously, I was at Monavista and Mentor Graphics doing automotive Linux there. I started the open source review board and delivered some Linux products to Mercedes-Benz when I was at Continental. Prior to that, starting in 2005, I was working with Motorola mobile devices on the Linux Java phones that were done. Back in those days, I was the software architect manager of software architecture and systems engineering. And then prior to that, I was also at Motorola's telematics group working on automotive projects there. So I've got quite a few years of experience here, both at the Linux Foundation and then Linux in general. It's been almost two years of this COVID-19 pandemic. And so for those of you who know me, I've lived in Chicago until very recently. I moved to Asheville, North Carolina in July. Hopefully no more freezing Chicago winters. And I also enjoy riding my motorcycle. I've done quite a few motorcycle rides. This was a recent photo at the world's famous Tale of the Dragon, which is about an hour from my house here. So that's an introduction to who I am. Now let's talk about AGL and the unified code base. So AGL has been around since 2012. I joined AGL in 2014. And in 2016, we announced the first release of the unified code base, the AGL Unified Code Base. Up until then, we'd been releasing software, but building on top of Tizen IVI. And that was more or less abandoned. And our steering committee decided that we would create the unified code base from what was out there in Tizen IVI, in Geneva, in Yachto, open embedded, and whatever code AGL created to form this unified code base. And that first release was done in January of 2016. We showed some demos at CES. I think it was our first CES. And that release was the AGL Albuquerre release. So if you're familiar with our naming convention of naming our releases after Fish, we're now 12 major releases later. And we're still unifying, but now the best of open source. Because if you think about Tizen IVI, it doesn't exist anymore. Geneva doesn't exist anymore. They've reframed themselves as something else. But in really, open source has evolved quite a bit in the last seven years. System D, if you think about seven years ago, System D was in its infancy. There were still a lot of flame wars out there on the mailing lists about whether System D was going to be used by people. Oh, it's just overkill. Nobody needs it. Well, that's all gone away. System D is an accepted part of the Linux ecosystem now. Pipewire didn't exist. The web app manager, which we've gotten upstream from WebOS, they really hadn't open sourced their stuff at this. But at that point, Flutter didn't exist. Jenkins was around, obviously. And we've also since then built a lot of AGL services and AGL reference apps. Based on an AGL application framework that we created along the way. So 12 releases later, we're still doing this. We're still focusing on reducing fragmentation, focusing on innovation and new features, but also production readiness. We are now available in Toyota and Subaru vehicles in production. And we have an IVI expert group that is being led by Toyota and has production ready in its name. So that team is definitely focusing on making AGL available in the car of the future. So having said that, 2022 and 2021 and 2022, especially, will be a year of transformation for AGL. Like I said, we're continuing to look at what's out there in the open source community and the AGL steering committee, which meets about once a month, actively prioritizes what projects we're going to spend AGL funding on for development. And they came up earlier this year with this list of projects to prioritize. So high on the list or tops on the list was Flutter for the IVI expert group, virtualization, including Vert.io, and then creating a common device interface. We have reference hardware that's been designed by our reference hardware expert group and is available for purchase from Panasonic. But continuing to advance that reference hardware and continuing to advance the instrument cluster and making it more production ready, evolving our app framework to use more upstream components rather than AGL managing its own app for creating and maintaining its own app framework. So making more use of system D and changing our Linux security module, I'll talk about that in a second. Again, more IVI features and vehicle to cloud. It's coming. Vehicle to cloud is, as connectivity and 5G becoming ubiquitous, more and more vehicles will be connecting to the cloud on a regular basis. So working on our vehicle to cloud expert group has some demos in progress, and you'll see those in the next few days. And working on identity management and some telematics demos. So what's that transformation going to look like? So over the past six years, we have AGL has invested in software components that are not available anywhere else. That included an app framework. And with audio, at first, it included the AGL Advanced Audio Agent or 4A in order to meet some of the requirements that we had that were not being met by the existing audio packages that were out there. And so you can see here in green, this is the evolution. So this here, this column, is where we are today, where we were a year or two ago with Qt and 4A and SMAC for security using IVI shell for UI management and only having an IVI profile. Well, by the end of 2022, we'll have Flutter and Web Apps available, Reference Apps available. We already have some Reference Web Apps that are available. We'll be deprecating our AGL application framework making use of better and more upstream components like SystemD. We have deprecated our 4A and stopped maintaining that. And we're now using PipeWire. We have some great collaboration between the AGL community and the PipeWire community to try to drive those automotive-specific use cases into PipeWire. And now you see PipeWire being used not only in automotive, but also being shipped in Fedora as their default audio package. So it's making strides both in the embedded and in the desktop space. In the meantime, in the last two years, we were using SMAC for our security. Really, SMAC is fallen by the wayside, so we'll be moving to SC Linux and or App Armor for security. UI management, we're using IVI shell, which was created by Addit. Now we've created an AGL compositor that we've been maintaining for a few years that, again, it manages our AGL-specific use cases and is based on Weyland. We work closely with the Weyland community through Collabra to make sure that our features are maintained there and to make sure that what we're doing is in sync with that community. And we've expanded our profiles from just the initial IVI profile to IVI instrument cluster, telematics, and eventually ADAS. So 2022 will continue to evaluate open source technologies to find best in class for automotive use cases. And in particular, we'll be transitioning away, we'll be transitioning our AGL reference apps and away from service, are the existing service binders that we have in the AGL app framework to newer technologies. And where those technologies forced WebSock, it's on us on a one-sized fits all basis. In some cases, there's newer versions of IPCs available like GRPC that we'll make use of. And we'll be replacing our existing set of cute reference apps with Flutter and Web Apps as we go through 2023. So you'll see a great transformation and I'll detail that in the next few minutes over the course of 2022. So let's talk a little bit about release planning. Where do we stand? In 2021, we released the initial version of version 11, Kuki Koi and the initial version of Lucky Lamp Ray, which was 12.0. And we have started working on Magic Marlin, our next release, which will be released in early 2022. And through next year, you'll see us develop a nifty needlefish and release that in July as release 14 and then preparing for optimistic octopus in early 2023. Now, I put on here the Yachter project releases that we'll be using. So we've been using the Yachter project LTS version 3.1, also codenamed Dunfell for the last few years and they initially promised us, they initially promised two years of support. And we'll continue to support Dunfell. They will be extending that two years out to four years they announced, recently announced, but they will also be creating version 3.5, Kirkstone, which will be the new Yachter LTS being released in the spring of this year, of 2022. And what we'll be doing is moving from Dunfell to Kirkstone in the needlefish release in time for July. And then basically continuing to use that on our master branch for the next few years. But we made the decision that Lucky Lamprey, which is version 12, we will continue to support Dunfell updates for at least through the end of 2022. And I am anticipating through the lifespan of Dunfell so I know there's people out there who are still using Cookey Koi. We probably will stop supporting that version. Lamprey and Koi are very identical in terms of APIs and what's available in them. So we will continue to support Dunfell updates through 2022 with unlucky Lamprey. But the idea is that, so right now is the initial schedule based on the schedule that I have from the Yachter project at least through 3.1, 16, I believe, 15 or 16 through April. But as they continue to announce new releases, we will add patch releases to this Lamprey schedule. And Marlin, I kind of view as more of a transition release. Like I said, 2022 will be a year of transition. We'll continue with Dunfell, but we already made the decision to remove the AGL app framework and replace it with more upstream components. So for those of you that have legacy AGL apps that you want to continue supporting using the app framework and using what we have today, you can do that with Lucky Lamprey. As Marlin and the new AGL app framework and Flutter and other things continue to mature, you can make the decision when it's appropriate for you to switch over to that newer version, whether it's Marlin or Needlefish or Octopus or whatever. So we'll continue with Dunfell because it's what's available, but we are replacing, we are removing the AGL app framework and we anticipate that the existing Qt demo apps may be less functional than Lamprey because we have to replace those service binders that were in there in the existing service layers that we have, service binders that we have. So the demo apps, the Qt demo apps may be less functional. We are in the process, AGL is in the process of making the web app manager and Chromium functional with the new app framework. Toyota is working on getting the Flutter and better into our code. We have the first commits from them. We should have a build from them. I'm recording this December 5th. We should have a build sometime this week with the Flutter and better and maybe the initial launcher and home screen. We'll continue to get some more pipe wire and wire plumber updates that are coming and instrument cluster will have their multi-container solution available, their new sound manager that they've worked on with Collabra and the instrument cluster service framework that they're planning on using. So again, that will come out. Magic Marlin will be released. The plan is February 18th. The M1, the first milestone will be next week as you're seeing this, the week of December 21st. And then Marlin, as we go through next year, we plan a release about every two months. And probably maybe a little later, maybe even past 1304. Then as we go into the middle of next year, we are working on Nifty Needlefish. So we will be switching to the Kirkstone branch of the Yachto project, version 3.5. We pick up a ton of additional features from Yachto, including the read-only PR server, which was funded by AGL and the work was done by Paul Barker and Scott Murray. Hash equivalency, again, some of that work was done with AGL, Kubernetes, K3S, the public state cache, software build materials will be available, and basically all around faster builds compared to what we have today. So we're really excited about pulling in Kirkstone and some of these features, especially for our CI team and our automated test side. The app framework and IPC will continue to evolve and be ready for new reference apps on the WAM side, especially on the WAM side, but hopefully on the Flutter side as well, in the Needlefish release in July. Web app manager will be updating to a cuteless version of Web app manager. So we are hoping to remove all of our cute dependencies, both in the apps and in the app framework, in the Needlefish release. Can't completely commit to that yet, but I think we will be there in Needlefish. We'll have an update to one of the Chromium 90 versions, 9x versions. Eagalia tells me that once we do this version to the cuteless version of WAM and do some of the other, pull some of the other upstream changes from Web OSC, that the Chromium updates will become much easier and we'll be able to keep up with the Chromium release as much faster and much better than we have in the past. And we plan on having SE Linux available in permissive mode. So at least as a test that we can have SE Linux and have it available in permissive mode, we'll make that available in Needlefish, excuse me. So schedule-wise, the milestone one will be at the end of May and the final release of Needlefish will be in the end of July. Typically I try to make the schedule so that we're not doing any releases in the August timeframe so that understanding that people usually schedule vacations in late July and August, so people can do that without a problem. We'll have Needlefish patch releases throughout the end of the second half of last next year and we will start working on the optimistic octopus release. So that is scheduled for February of 2023. Again, we will continue to use Kirkstone. We will continue through the year to make lamprey releases based on Dunfell and we anticipate that with that octopus release, the app framework and the IPC evolution will be hardened because we will be back in person for CES 2023. Let's hope we beat this thing, this COVID thing, but we will be back in person for CES in 2023 with new reference apps that are not based on Q, based on Flutter or WAM, we'll see, but this process will get us to a hardened app framework and an IPC. We will have SE Linux available in a non-permissive mode. Our AGL is looking for a donation of rules. As anybody who's configured SE Linux knows, the rules can be quite complex and so if somebody has a set of rules they'd like to donate or if somebody would like to work on a set of rules, we are happy to listen. So talk to me, talk to Yann Simon and we can make this happen and we're anticipating that our instrument cluster will be production ready by the optimistic octopus release in February of 2023. So this will be very exciting. So like I said, 2022 will be a year of transition and transformation for AGL, but we will have a production ready instrument cluster and we will be closing in on a production ready IVI system with a hardened app framework and IPC and new reference apps. So here's the schedule for optimistic octopus with an initial release of initial milestone one of in December of next year and the final release in February of 2023. So to summarize, AGL will evolve to embrace more of the best of open source, take more advantage of upstream, work more with existing communities to extend automotive use cases. That includes YAKTO and open embedded. YAKTO where we have an advisory board seat on YAKTO, we work very closely with open embedded. We will continue to replace the app framework with system D and other mature technologies wherever possible. Pipe wire and wire plumber, we have driven a lot of use cases into those projects. We'll continue to work with them and continue to take their upstream changes. Weston and Wayland communities and Flutter as well. And whatever other communities may come along, there's a lot of cool projects that have been announced recently or been released and we are willing to talk to anybody and accept, you know, if you want to bring some code in, you have a YAKTO layer, you are more than happy to accept it and get it into our, get it into AGL. So we're a very open project. Everything we do is completely in the open. You can see past presentations that I've made to introduce AGL where there's a, you know, a large number of meetings and a mailing list that you can contribute to and learn how to get your code into AGL and make it part of the reference implementation. So, you know, as we continue through the next part of the decade, we see new socks, new system on chips that are being announced that continue to grow more cheaper, more powerful, really just crazy amounts of processing and computing power in the mobile and automotive space. High-speed connectivity becomes ubiquitous and really we're thinking, we're hearing from OEMs that, you know, having the ability to rearrange functionality within the vehicle, moving some functionality to the cloud, all of that is possible and all that's being worked on by various groups within the AGL community. So in particular, the virtualization expert group, the containerization, the container and service mesh expert group and the vehicle to cloud expert groups are really tackling this. I don't, you know, we have a large variety, a large number of expert groups that meet on a regular basis. If you go to our Wiki page, you will see that each of these expert groups meets every two weeks. You're free to join any of these expert groups and find out what's going on and figure out how you can contribute or learn what you can. I like to say you don't need to be an expert to participate in an expert group. Think of it as a working group. Think of it as a group of like-minded people who are trying to make progress on the project. So this week, during Automotive Linux Summit, we have a number of other sessions that are dedicated to learning what is going on within the AGL expert groups. So today, on Tuesday, after this presentation, IVI and Flutter will be a presentation. Reference hardware will be a lot of a presentation from Toyota, from Tana Morrison. Virtualization, you'll get an expert, you'll get an update from the expert group as well as some demos from ARM and from Open Synergy. Instrument cluster, Yamaguchi-san will have an update on what the instrument cluster expert group has been doing and how they're moving towards production readiness and their multi-container solution. Hayden Peters-Wald from Amazon Web Services will have an update on our containers and mesh expert group. And then tomorrow, we'll have an update from our application framework expert group from R&O to find out what he's been working on and how we're going to continue to evolve the application framework and replace it with more upstream components. Vehicle to Cloud, Richard from Amazon will be talking about that. Yann Simon-Muller, the AGL release manager. We'll talk about CI and testing. And then Lorenzo will talk about Flutter apps and what AGL is been working on in conjunction with Toyota to make Flutter apps available. I believe either in his presentation or in the Toyota presentation, we'll see a demo of what they've been working on. So there's some of these presentations. We'll have demos, a lot of good information on what's going on in each of the expert groups. So that's it for my presentation. If you have any questions, please drop it in the Q&A box or I will try to answer them. Otherwise, have a good show. Enjoy Automotive Linux Summit and I really hope to see you all in person in 2022. Thank you.


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