The New Colossus is an entertaining but ultimately uninspired sequel to 2014's excellent Wolfenstein The New Order. The New Colossus, rather than a step forward, takes a step back, offering fewer guns, a shorter campaign or two few new enemy types, an anti-climatic ending and worst of all, game breaking bugs riddle the PC version. That's not to say The New Colossus is a bad game, it's not. The shooting is excellent, the story is the exact amount of bizarre and over the top you might have expected and the game looks beautiful. It's that it doesn't expand on the foundation built by The New Order. It doesn't develop promising mechanics like the melee nor does it present as many interesting environments. That amalgamation between Nazi and American culture we were so excited about, it doesn't figure too much at all. I wanted to see more of the American way of life in that culture. The New York post-apocalypse levels are overdone, oversaturated in every which entertainment industry you could think of. Playing through the concrete corpse of New York did not appeal, it was more of a chore than anything else. Not all of it, of course, I'm particularly fond of that one moment when an alligator tried to bite my feet off. There's a worthy of remembrance.  As always, I wish there were more weapons to do it with though. The laser guns from the moon base from the last game have disappeared completely, I do not appreciate. I don't get it, I don't understand it and I loved it to death. If you need any proof of that you can check my review for The New Order. Shotguns are still great though and so are all the other guns. They feel great, they sound great and they are fantastic, but I said that already. It's a strange thing. Having enjoyed shooting Nazis and having enjoyed about two-thirds of the story, I was still very eager to finish it and never look back. It could be the dour mood of Laskowitz for the first half of the game, if not more, is that he was ready to die at the end of the New Order like he had his time in the spotlight and that had been enough. So there he is, the pub bloke, dragged back to fight the same war as before and none too happy about it. Ignite the revolution they said, it's going to be great they said. So why is the game spent in saving a group of rebels? Or to, instead of going after that revolution? At a time when a TV adaptation of The Man in the High Castle does such a spectacular job of showing a similar society under the yoke of fascist Germany, why doesn't this take a few breaths in between all the entertaining shooting and Nazi sniping and boring sewer treks in order to present a more wholesome view of the diseases of this society? Show us ideology, show us something to know what we're fighting against. As for Laskowitz's backstory, I don't think it was awful, but it was unnecessary. His father is the perfect example of a small-minded monster.  Screw that guy, good news for shooting him dead with him. The problem is, way too much time was spent on this and not enough came of it.  It takes something away from Laskowitz's character to not have expected that. Not to even get me started on the ending. The game should be getting ready to start that revolution finally. And what happens? It ends. Sequel baiting is fantastic in it. Absolutely freaking great. Originally, I intended to do a full review of the game, play it twice, collect everything I didn't get through my first run, but once I was done with the new colossus, I didn't want to go back. Spending 10 hours sifting through footage, going through all the gameplay and story didn't appeal to me enough. And it's a shame because a lot of work has gone into this, but the new colossus comes off as stale and uninspired and treads the same old roads in the shinier package that comes in less flavour. If flavour is a guns, which they probably are, for some weird gun nut out there, did not shoot me. I could because I care. One last problem I had, that Hitler scene. You got B.J. Blazkowicz in the same room as the old syphilis riddle brain adult Führer, and you don't take the opportunity to shoot him?     Not everyone's as lucky in the friends department as Blazkowicz. One could say, this game, decapitated my hopes. Don't do the same. Click that like button and subscribe. If you enjoyed the video, if you didn't, click that and like button, let me know how you disagree with me on a fundamental religious or moral level. Share with your friends, maybe even follow me on Twitter and on WordPress, hell even on Facebook even if I never ever ever post anything. Bye!


Today, as part of an interfaith visiting group, I visited and attended a synagogue, a Jewish Shabbat service for the first time. And I was amazed at the strength of the tradition, and it made me realize this is a very powerful thing that is really missing for a lot of us, and it's one area where the Jewish tradition is very strong. And you can see this, it's not about the content of their tradition, there are other traditions, but simply the fact that they have such a strong tradition that is maintained has its own power. So when it comes to the details and the content of those traditions, I mean, that's where that's all the sticky details, that's where people fall away from the tradition for various reasons, and there are all kinds of legitimate objections to many traditions and many parts of many traditions. But there's something good, what is it? A sense of depth, a sense of just like one of the big parts of meaning and the meaningful life is feeling connected to something bigger than ourselves. And this tradition is such a thing, to be part of a way of being that reaches back centuries gives a very strong sense of groundedness and connection so that our individual lives are nested and installed inside something that is much bigger. Now we have pieces of this in the Western tradition, which I grew up in, but I grew up in the 20th century modern Western tradition, which a big part of which is the rejection of most of its traditions. So we're kind of living on the leftovers of ancient traditions, but when I see ancient traditions preserved and maintained alive through continuing the ritual, continuing the teachings, continuing the practices year after year, it really maintains the traditions in a way that we learn about them historically, and the Western traditions are a part of making our world the way it is now, but the idea of following these regular rituals of all agreeing and coming together as a community over these principles, that sense of cultural cohesion, a cohesion, a spiritual cohesion is clearly missing in the modern Western environment. Now we read many of the advantages of rejecting tradition to be able to break free and make new things, and that is a wonderful thing by being, we are free of the negative aspects of tradition. We are able to make our own way, and we're able to make our own way and create new traditions, and that's very powerful, but something has been lost, something has been taken too far in the rejection of tradition and the embrace of total novelty, that we lose this connection with the past with the depth of tradition that takes centuries to grow. So what can we do about this? Well, I would say there's two approaches come to mind, one being to take elements from existing traditions, even if we do not subscribe to them in totality, we can take elements from existing traditions and use them as we see fit. Sometimes this is cast in a negative light, the idea of like picking and choosing, appropriating the cafeteria approach, but I don't see it that way, I see we can learn from everything that has come before us, we can learn from everything that anybody is doing. This is all open to us to learn from, so we can take these pieces of tradition, and we can connect, we can have connection in some way to that depth of time through these pieces of tradition that we choose to embrace and carry forward. And the second way of course is to make new traditions, and that even though it doesn't have that same immediate sense of the depth that only time can bring, we can begin new traditions and by connecting ourselves to those traditions, connecting ourselves to culture and community and spirit through these connections, through these traditions, we can still get this effect, we can still bring out the power of traditions. Every tradition starts somewhere, and if we don't have a full tradition set up, if we feel that sense of being isolated and atomized in the world where we are an unrooted and floating like a leaf in the breeze without being plugged into tradition, maybe we're happy with that because we don't like any of the traditions we see, but we can then, we have this ability to make something new that can become a tradition and can carry forward into the future, something that will be bigger than ourselves, something we can connect to, to provide meaning and joy in our lives. So I'm very curious to see what kind of new traditions can come out the other end of this hyper-modern world.


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What if you become the narcissist ideal version of you? What if you satisfy their conception of what is most suitable? What if you become what they desire? What if you become everything that they wanted you to be? When you are around the narcissist All they do is point out your faults and mistakes Your flaws are the perfections All they do is put you down and complain They express their dissatisfaction and annoyance about you They grumble and moan They always have something to complain about There always seems to be something wrong with you Or something that you need to do There's always something missing There's always something that's not right Which then gives the narcissist the opportunity to play the victim They can then state that they are suffering They can say that you caused them to feel that way Because of something you did or did not do Or something you failed to accomplish They can just blame it all on you They train you to look at yourself As though you're deficient in something And that is why they cannot give you the love and respect that you would otherwise deserve If only you could just change a few things about you If only you could do something for them Or accomplish what they want Then everything would be fine There would be no problems There would be nothing to complain about Or at least that's what they want you to think If you become the narcissist ideal version of you It's not going to solve anything It will only cause more problems Because although the narcissist may constantly complain about you They're actually very comfortable in those situations They like having something to complain about At least then they can blame everything on you If you became the narcissist ideal version of you It would only trigger their inferiority complex It would trigger them to reflect on how worthless and insignificant they feel They may complain about you and put you down But the truth is they actually don't want anything to change They want things to stay the same They don't want you to become their ideal version of you They wouldn't even know how to support you at that level Their excuse for not giving you the love and respect you deserve Is that there's something not right with you You're not achieving something that they want Or you need to fix something That's their excuse for treating you in the way that they do But if you suddenly changed everything And it became that ideal version of you They wouldn't know how to treat a person like that anyway Because they're not like that They're damaged inside So all they can do is damage you All they're bringing to you is their brokenness Which then keeps you stuck It stops you from elevating It stops you from becoming better Which is exactly what they want Because then they have an excuse For treating you in the way that they do They can justify their abuse The narcissist greatly fears That you will outgrow them They fear that you will leave them behind Which is what compels them to keep you down Because if you become a better version of yourself You're going to look at them And wonder what you're even doing around them The only reason why you think you deserve this treatment Is because they've managed to keep you down They've targeted your self-worth and self-esteem They made you believe that this is what you deserve Because they don't want you to be better If you were better What purpose would they have in your life? They wouldn't be able to control you You would just go off and do your own thing Because you would realise that they're just holding you back Which is the last thing that they want you to do So even if you do fix everything that they complain about And you become the ideal version of you It's not going to change anything They're not going to suddenly change their behaviour towards you They're not going to give you the love and respect that you deserve They're not going to give you compliments or praise It's not going to fix anything It's just going to cause more problems It's only going to make them want to destroy you even more Because in their minds You're just showing them how much of a better person you are than them You're making them feel small They just see it as an attack on their character It makes them feel very uncomfortable They would rather you just stay down And just keep doing what you're doing They're not constantly grumbling and moaning Because they want you to change something They're doing it to weaken you To make you lose confidence in yourself So that you don't even have the desire to grow or become anything They're not trying to build you up They're trying to break you down If they wanted you to be anything greater They would have given you the tools to do that They would have done it in a more constructive manner They would have been more helpful and encouraging Their behaviour was not intended to have a useful or beneficial purpose It was intended to break you down You may not have realised it at the time But just look at how they've made you feel about yourself Do you feel good about yourself? Do you feel strong or confident? Do you feel like you can accomplish anything? Do you feel like you can take on the world? The narcissist may constantly grumble and moan As though they want you to change or fix something But they always leave you with a feeling like you can't accomplish anything Because that's exactly how they want you to feel However you feel when you're around a narcissist Is exactly how they want you to feel They want you to feel hopeless and powerless As though there's nothing you can do to fix or change anything Because that's exactly how they feel They have no expectations of good or success for themselves They've already accepted that they're predestined to never find happiness So why should they be happy for you? What incentive do they have to treat you right? Or to build you up? Just so you can feel good Just so you can feel pleasure and happiness When they're still going to be miserable When they have no hope for themselves in their lives The narcissist has to make you feel the way they feel The way that they've always felt That's the only way that they can feel comfortable By feeling like they're not alone in their miserable existence Thank you for watching I hope this video has an end with you Please like, comment, share and subscribe If you would like to donate My PayPal link is in the video description Coaching inquiries You can email me at coaching.naxivver.uk Thank you for watching And I'll talk to you soon


I'm supposed to be back around three or four little does she know I never left. She has no idea. I'm here. I Know she's gonna catch me. I just don't know All right, babe, I'm going to the gym. I'll see you later. I'm going to my house after you know that I like three o'clock four o'clock Yeah, that's why we have to get home around three or four.  Oh my god. It's already getting crazy Just blow drying right now guys. Oh my god. Thank you. This cat is driving me crazy I swear he has been running around in this room and I've literally been hiding in that closet right there because Mariah Almost came in here. I'm looking for snap earlier. All right, so I have to do this really quick Doors the door. All right, I'm gonna wait for her to start again. All right, so she started back up I do not know why she was putting her hair in a bun or something But this is the only chance I'm gonna get to probably talk loud to you guys unless later She plays music or does something else or leaves the apartment But guys this is going to be a crazy video. It already is Mariah's in the other room as you saw blow drying her hair She has no idea I'm here It's been about a half hour already and she's literally thought I was at the gym this whole time and then after that I told her I'm gonna go to my parents house so I could spend the day there for a little bit But then we got a film later So I'm supposed to be back around three or four little does she know I never left my goal for today's video First of all, it's not to scare the crap I might go from because if she does hear me or does hear anything in here She's gonna think that like someone broke in or someone something happened It's gonna be crazy But we're gonna try to avoid that today because my real real challenge is I'm challenging myself to stay in the house without Her knowing for the whole day for 24 hours. It's gonna be crazy It's already going off and this cat will not stop looking at me I swear Mariah was looking at the cab cat was looking at me in the bathroom. I thought I was over with right there I thought the video was done. I was like, this is a fail.  She's gonna think something's up Oh, and here's another thing since I was going to work out this morning I have my jug that I have full with water Mariah and me always bring these to the gym That's a lot. That's like five water bottles all in one little jug So I'm good at water. The only thing I'm not good on is food.  I'm gonna be starving pretty soon I haven't even eaten breakfast yet pretty stupid on my part But guys subscribe right now if you have not already this video is about to be insane give this video a thumbs up We're trying to get to be with 10,000 likes like this video up for me staying in the house for 24 hours straight because As you can see it's already getting juicy and it's just gonna get worse and worse and better and better Let's go guys. This is what I'm talking about. He's like the guard. Good thing cats don't bark Otherwise, I'd be screwed right now if we had a dog it'd be over with I'm actually gonna look At what food we have in here because we just went shopping yesterday.  I didn't eat half of it I'm probably gonna eat that for lunch if I can get out here. So we're good guys I'm gonna get some breakfast right now probably like a griddle of our or something and go back in the room Is to get the camera somewhere so we can get another angle of her walking around So whenever she goes back in the room, I'm gonna hurry up and run out there and hopefully set this up somewhere Maybe on the fridge She literally looked in the room when I was looking out and I thought she saw me Mariah's been walking around the house for the past 20 minutes It's it's been like an hour later since we like last filmed and I've been chilling in this closet barely She's been going frantic and I'm actually really scared She's gonna come in the room because she's been cleaning a lot and as you can tell the room needs a little I Don't know if she's gonna come in here or not, but I'm just doing this just in case She's been walking around a whole lot and making me really nervous. This could be the end of birth So it's been like 10 minutes She's doing something.  I'm not eating and it's already it's already noon I'm hiding bathroom. I don't know what to do shower at least But I made it in our room in our bathroom Wish me luck. I'm gonna eat up right now. I will see you back We've already made it like two or three hours into this challenge I think it's been almost three and she hasn't found me yet. So I know she's gonna catch me I just don't know It's literally been about a half hour 25 minutes and I haven't heard anything I think she's in the living room, but I'm not for sure. I'm gonna leave everything in here I'm gonna hide this.  I'm surprised. I made it this far guys Throw something in the hallway. I'm gonna start messing with my life Because I'm freaking out like we've never had issues with our house being haunted and I turned around the house Nobody was here and there's things like getting thrown around everywhere It's a great heartbeat. What? Oh my god. I've never had that happen before. I'm freaking out. That's not a lot to explain Oh my god, my hair is wicked. I thought you were gonna go. I thought you were at your house. So it's been what like three hours four hours? Yeah, since I left. Okay, my goal of this video I'm filming YouTube obviously was to for 24 hours or all day stay in the house without you know I've been here the whole time babe since you were getting ready since you made food since you've had snap Everything no right when you were in the bedroom.  I ran in the closet literally I've tried so hard. I started in the bathroom. I ate a freaking sandwich in our bathroom You thought the house is haunted didn't you yes Okay, I was trying to go all day and I was like guys I don't think I could do this I was trying to talk as loud as I could but the whole time I had to talk like this because I didn't want you to hear me. Did you hear me at all? No, I didn't hear anything.   Did you do that? I threw like a like a marker or something over there. So I'm sorry, babe. Aren't you happy to see me though? Aren't you happy to see me? You see me? Why are you looking like that? Come on. That's how we talked to snap though. All right, mom I think this was a win I even though I kind of gave up it was a win and a fail at the same time. So I'm just gonna stay 50-50 But we can spend the rest of the day and we don't even have to film the video This is the video that's going for today. So we don't even we can spend the rest of the day with each other I love it up chill day for me, huh? Yeah All I had to do is put you through a couple hours of you know No idea you were in here. Did you actually make you promise you didn't know I was here? See you guys open real when I come I tried so hard for this challenge That's why y'all need to like this video up less literally give this video thumbs up for Mariah's I guess scared reaction and my challenge because like I said like pretty good Right as I like saw it because I think I'm like, okay.  Oh my my ears hurt. I was okay. So I was debating on we have an air horn I was debating on pranking you and ending the video with like an air horn and scaring the crap out of you But I thought creeping around and throwing stuff was so much better So I was behind the counter the whole time when I was throwing stuff But you didn't see how I'll speak up on you when you least expect it. Oh that I'm a I already know since I you know Came up with this. I already know that I'm gonna look beyond the lookout for it next time So good luck, babe. Mariah thinks she's so good Back today Okay, I like this video because this is like a prank slash challenge So it was super fun for me to film and I hope it was super fun for you guys to watch because oh my gosh Is it hard being quiet for three hours? Before we end this video that we have to give a post notification shout out to Jenny Mick Galaflin Jenny shout outs to Jenny. We love you. 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Good day. Good day everyone. Good afternoon. Good morning. Wherever you had, wherever you may be. So I'm just gonna put the link to the meeting minutes today's section Just put that little chat there so everyone has a direct link. I just created that right now and we'll give another minute or two Get critical mass wait for everyone to hop on board. Okay, I believe we'll get started And I remember to do this first this time is is there anyone that's able to fulfill the role of a scribe Slash minute taker for today's meeting, right? If anyone one of you the role is open trying to take notes along if there's no official scraps for today's With that said are there any individuals from any special groups or working groups that would like to check you have anything To present before we get it. I can say we just a number of us went through the white the plans for the white paper just an hour ago and had a great discussion and included Vinay and Dan and and others It was led by Emily Getting on my name is right so it went well. Would you agree Dan and Vinay and others who were on Anything to add to that? Absolutely. I was actually just writing You know since You know, I'm neither emulator JJ is able to Soldier forward into this session if You or Vinay could give us a brief high level of what's planned us Yeah, sure. So Emily and others laid out a plan for what the white paper kind of the topics and outlined for the white paper It took a lot of feedback over the last two weeks or so In writing that we just had a synchronous, you know zoom discussion about them an hour ago Clarified a couple things and at the end decided that people who are interested Will put their names on various topics on writing the initial content for based on the outline I think we said we'd all do that in the next two weeks and decide who's gonna sign up for which And then keep going on the white paper Great, so, you know call to action there You know if you have cycles and if you're interested in contributing your subject matter expertise You know now's the time I Will work to corral someone to sort of do more of a readout In the coming week You know so everyone can you know see where they can You know sign up. There's a slack channel It's a security Dash white paper issue That is tracking this and if you're not Headpoint, yeah, thanks. Yeah, and if it's a I should get to the document That's not if you don't have access to it or you don't know what we're talking about and want to get It's a good issue to read and comment on if you want to get involved Recording by the way like will we be able to do it? now there's gonna be editing and You know some sort of late-stage contribution that you'll be able to Alright with that said I don't see any updates from individuals in the attendance so far Are any specific PRs or anything that anyone would like to bring up? Matthew, I just had a quick update. Sure. Go ahead So yeah, a couple of weeks ago. We mentioned that opa is going to be applying for graduation and We created a due diligence document So it would be great if six security could take a look at that document and provide some feedback So if I need to create an issue around that or whatever steps we need to do for that Yeah, please let me know. Thank you What are you looking for with respect to this because from Sort of my standpoint You've already gone through the the process like the difficult process of the actual security assessment and in my view Unless major things have changed with opa or you know, if you want to give us just an update This is what's happened. Then we basically the people who did the assessment are likely to look at it and say yep We still you know We still have basically most of the same feedback. We had about opa at the time when we did the assessment, right? Is that basically what you've put together for us or are you looking for something else out of us? It's it's I think primarily the same thing But I think the TOC requires a small feedback from six security since it's a security project And we've kind of highlighted the stuff we've done since the last assessment in a way Like kind of the improvements that you've done taking the last feedback into consideration So I believe we put that as well in the due diligence talk So it's nothing like major or like affecting opa completely from last time But we've just added some new documentation and some some you know some new things to cover what was brought up last time so Okay, and so we just need like a like, you know a small feedback around that document So if you yeah, we'll be happy to provide that and in general I like this process to be very low friction for the projects. So what what you've done sounds great I'm happy to look at it. I think the rest of the original reviewers we can take a quick look at it and Likely, you know, we can produce something that very quickly that just says, you know, yeah opas You know like as I said before our feedback on opa hasn't substantially changed it Yeah This is Robert. I agree. We should review that and now Justin at some point we had talked about doing some sort of More I had to use the word formal but more concrete You know review of the assessments. So I don't know if that falls into scope here But I think at least a quick review of what Ash provided is is reasonable Yeah, I think the thinking was we were going to be doing annual reviews Projects, although at the rate. We're doing things and stuff. We want to be careful that that doesn't Like overwhelm the rest of our work I think doing, you know, this is only it has to be discussed as a group But in general my view is is that the most valuable assessment we're gonna do for any project is probably the first one Um, I agree. Yeah, I think that that like, you know, if we got stuck in a position where we just didn't have the bandwidth to Like look at new projects because we were spending all of our time doing kind of like lengthy reassessments for projects going up for the next level or lengthy annual Re-reviews that I think would be, you know, just my personal opinion, but I think that would be a shame And so as a result, I'm I'd like to make my rough proposal is is that, you know a project nudging us in the right direction and then us going and making a quick determination is probably the right path to go on for For project re-review so that you don't feel like You know, you're kind of having to redo the whole mess Unless you go through something like like for instance a notary v2 Some of the things that are being proposed there are basically it's almost At least, you know, some of the draft stuff that's being proposed now is basically complete rewrite of the system and at that point I think you know, it is Debt it would definitely be worth having a complete reassessment Because the security properties and risks and things like that At least for some some of the proposed things are completely different Well, I think that's the opportunity here Of course, you know OPA was very helpful in the formative stages of what the security assessment would look like in the beginning Here's a great opportunity to kind of define the guardrails on what the refresh looks like and maybe and I'm happy to Put together like here's a ten point Quick yes-no question.  Yes No, right and then, you know spin off from there based on those answers So to keep it simple. Yeah, that that sounds great So what I can do is I'll share the document in the OPA security channel we created last time and Then y'all can take a look at that And if you have like those ten point questions stop out or anything else that I can do to help this process as soon as possible So Yeah, let's Just a quick follow-up and I don't want to get in the weeds on this call but it is somewhat germane to CNCF projects that kind of fork off into other CNCF-ish project So I know like OPA and gatekeeper are now I guess somewhat two separate projects or Would that be considered the same scope and and how would we kind of handle that at the CNCF level? Do you mean do we treat our assessment as though it's for both projects or? right I would think You know, this is this is like I think we'd have to talk about that a little on a case-by-case basis But I think in general you'd want to do some kind of reassessment that would be nowhere near as painful Because when you add new kind of trust boundaries and things which is a usual reason You know like a usual thing that happens then when you're looking at things It does often change the security properties and also may change the way people use it and so on so I feel that's That's more like a rewrite of the code even Even but you'll of course retain most of the work that was in the document. I Can't be wrong and I'm happy to hear other opinions Just a quick question. I see from the chat here from Dan Dan has that been addressed or you know, a multi-party Dilligent stock Sorry, I don't know if the audio came through for everyone. I only heard the last couple seconds of that from you Dan Oh dear So once again, I was wondering if a due diligence doc has been created by the CNCF yet Where multiple SIGs are sort of piling on with their recommendations so We've created a due diligence doc so far and I believe it's only six security who's gonna provide feedback for OPA at least That's that's my understanding. So if I can share the doc with you all and then You know, y'all can add your feedback to that document Okay, that's great. You're gonna post that in the the issue Yeah, should I create an issue with it or our link to an issue like, you know, I don't know that we need to create Okay, cool. Sounds good. Thanks And the follow-on was that is there a date you're shooting for? Yeah, I Don't think it's a date we're shooting for but if you can get this process, you know completed as fast as possible That would be really great Okay I Largely think what you should do is is to post the new document on and mention on both six security and the old channel and Like ping, you know, you can also ping us individually But somehow bring it to everyone's attention who participated in the original review if you have feedback within a week based on this Please please give it Otherwise, you know, we just need a nod and then that that will have someone like me or I think I led the OPA effort, but whoever led the OPA effort or The security coordinator or even the TFC chairs if the other people are not available to then say well this period's past There weren't any other things raised Because like I don't want you to get in a situation where you need a strong affirmative action By a large group of people in order to move along it instead should be something where you put make the information available Give people the opportunity to to go and take a look and raise new issues or ask for more time about things but not a You know, not not something where you're blocking on the fact that Somebody took a vacation right now or got busy with other things, right? Yeah, that's fair. Okay I'll post it in both channels and then Yeah, we can go from there. Okay. That's it. Are there any other comments or anything else to bring up on this topic? Okay, then going through the agenda. I don't see any other updates or PRs That's have been scheduled to be brought up. No presentations either. So at this point, we'll open the floor I do have a question about the thank you. I do have a question about presentations. I see in the meeting notes Which page it is but Proposed future meetings. Yeah, I actually on the first page. So Like key lime for CNCF inclusion discuss issues suggestions, etc How do those make the agenda? So those are proposed things for the future meetings When do those actually happen or is that is that just kind of a placeholder for we might want to do these things? in general anyone's welcome to essentially go through the backlog like go through the through the get up Get a ticket system there and either add something that they would like to see there or People may just go through there and see if there's something that someone else's posted that looks interesting And then just copy paste it and say hey, we should get around to doing this. So it's um, I guess a touch ad hoc in terms of taking it from the backlog and putting it into the meeting and Then as for creating the content to begin with whoever wants to propose something can just go create the ticket Whether it's a member of six security or just an external third party that wants to reach out to an engage with six security They just create a get-up account though base the ticket plus their contact info. That's the gist of it Sometimes I'll go through it and pull ones that I see maybe need a little tension and throw it into there If I get a chance so if someone who proposed I'm sorry if someone if someone who proposed whoever proposed these were here today and wanted to present it They would is that accurate? Um They could do it on this on the fly or on the spot if they wanted to and we had time I guess the preferred way is that someone chooses a specific date during which they would present those I think we probably need to purge those ones that are in the the meeting notes document referring to you there I leave them there at least we tend to leave them there for a couple weeks in case maybe we didn't get around to it and We didn't want to eat someone else's work Okay, I'll probably purge all the old stuff there if no one has any objections to the canonical source or get-up issues Not not the document Okay, and another another question right that's what we're finding Sorry, um, so It looks like the things that are generally proposed are you know things around Assessing various things to be you know included And you know and endorse in various ways by CNCF And other things were just the group somebody wants to get the impression of this group. Is that Accurate that you know, basically it can be anything that may be of interest to this group whether it's whereas with whether Action may be taken by CNCF about in the future. It might just be an FYI Is that am I interpreting it correctly? I'd say at least personally, that's a fair appraisal There's also like some I guess you could say housekeeping topics that come up like we need to update some document and or add some rules or At some maybe build bots or something some of our build jobs or LinkedIn the documentation stuff like that Okay Great. I've got a proposed idea for the future, but I'll file an issue for it We can discuss I'm definitely not ready for today and I'll file something to be considered in the future Thanks Matthew and everybody No problem, please feel free to put the issue in the tracker there and if You feel that it's cut the necessary attention and hasn't ended up on the schedule By all means, please feel free to go ahead and put it as a proposed thing right there in the meeting notes and Definitely if it hasn't been noticed in the tickets, although the members of the team are quite diligent So it's not often something slips through the cracks When just a you know, just some framing there You know worth considering that we're you know about to kick off this three-month process and You know therefore You know, it'll suck a lot of folks time So if the thing that needs to be done involves a lot of contribution from a lot of folks You know, you're gonna get pushed back from folks like me You know on timing You know as we try to keep complete that workflow makes sense. Thanks for the context. You bet Are there any additional topics or anything anyone would like to see coverage in next week's meeting? Hey, so this is underwent here so kind of a Related to this topic I think but not a suggestion for a change in practice right now, but We do assessments. This is part of my day job duties and The question of deciding when an application that's already been screened needs to get re-screened is Not necessarily based on the amount of code that's changed I don't think there's a simple rule of thumb for that and in fact part of what we try to do in the Engagement with the projects that come through for assessments in our enterprise not in CNCF Is to try to educate them about what those things might be that need to have them come back for a visit? either in person or in some kind of Written update to the previous Plans so I think it's a worthwhile thing to think about I'm trying to identify what those things are so when the teams come through for the initial big reviews of The sort that Justin outlined That they have a sense for what things would merit You know either personal visit or at least a Sort of debrief back to the security team that did the review I mean, I'll just throw out a couple things like we see changes to encryption or Decision to use tokenization or adding PII to an application that didn't have PII before or we change Partners for who's doing our API security We're doing some some major changes with the security tooling partners and so the The vendor APIs are having to be revisited for some security issues which at the time these Folks came through for initial review Wasn't really a much concern to us. We were happy to see if we didn't really look at it in detail So that's not an exhaustive list. That's just you know, sort of the typical stuff that comes up but there's also other dependencies with other cloud projects the one that comes to mind for me would be Prometheus or the authentication tools, but again, I think if you could we could offer guidance and For the teams to come through that that would be a value add Because I think just saying come back when it's been changed is not gonna help them Justin, what do you think? I think that's sensible. There's a couple things I Think we have to be a little Like we'll have to kind of customize to this environment because in general if Something like the encryption changes But it's just an algorithm swap out Then most of the time from our standpoint, it just won't matter I mean unless someone is swapping out, you know, something for MV5 or something like that or whatever Which you wouldn't expect to have happened I think a lot of the points you make are really good ones and I think if you can share Like, you know, basically what you just said along with any other points that you commonly have that you give as guidance That might be a good Draft Like sort of thing for us to look at I think the other decision we'd have to make based on that is Is that something that We'd look we want to look at for a project immediately when that changes Or do we want to in the annual review go through all of the items like that that have changed for a project? and I don't know the answer to that but Anyway, yeah, so I think that's that's all I'm very and very encouraging of your suggestion mark I would love to have you maybe write up a list of those things that we could we could iterate on I Think you're muted. I am indeed. Thank you My boss said what's the most commonly thing said on zoom. It's your mute. I Was gonna say I'm mindful of your suggestion that we keep a light touch and that the folks who went through extensive reviews Should be you know a prize that that's it's not going to be an extensive review and also I think you know these cases I'm able to think up ad hoc here. Maybe not the best one. So yeah, I'll try to write up a few things and post them for consideration Hey one maybe unrelated question There's been a couple of presentations on CI CD pipelines both on the DOD sec ops group and others I was just curious. Is there a unified working group that's and what's the intended artifact for that? Is that like a subgroup of the SIG or I'm just trying to understand what the outcomes are and how to participate So this is Vinay, maybe I can talk about it. I gave the last presentation on the CI CD security so what came out of that is that there's some artifacts that we could potentially use that can be contributed into the the SIG security cloud native security landscape or I'm sorry. I forget the exact name It's called the cloud native security white paper So so a lot of those the information there will be fed into that potentially we can leverage some of the visuals and illustrations And then they would be the idea there is to actually highlight a lot of these topics as well as then as necessary have a deeper dive concepts that are Distilled in separate white papers. So that's one and then a Brandon and Justin. I've already had a landscape effort underway for quite a while and then potentially we'll see how we can Contribute and leverage to that effort as well Cool. And are there regular meetings on that? Is that just informal? So from the cloud native security white paper perspective, we just had one meeting this morning. There is There is a slack channel that has been established for it. Emily or Dan and somebody maybe someone can invite you to it if you could just bring them and So I think it's just been ad hoc for now But there is a slack channel, which I would imagine is the authoritative way to communicate across the stakeholders Cool. Thank you. Sure Any remaining topics anyone Okay, I save this moment for the end here if there's any new people if this is your first time visiting the sick security if you'd like to Grab the mic and introduce yourself Please feel free Otherwise we'll conclude in another minute Hi guys Matt here I work at synopsis and I'm trying to get up to speed on cloud native security so Yeah, like if anybody has things would be good for somebody pretty new to this space to work on I'd You know, like in an open source way, I'd definitely be happy to to you know, look at some of those things and You know kind of ramp up and hopefully help you out too Sure thing one of the recurring themes and I myself asked that question joining the group There's the backlog on github. There's just joining the meetings a few times to sort of get a feel for What's the current topic? Like if there's a new security review that pops up and people are welcome to join in on it take part in it um, that sort of thing the recurring theme I often hear being uttered is uh We've uh chop wood carry water. So you'll see that in slack a few times Did you have on board? Awesome, yeah, what what's your uh You know, what's your security background and uh, what the sort of ways you'd like to contribute I don't really I don't really know much about security. I'm more you know I like I've done a lot of application development and stuff like that, but not really any security. So For me like getting a good handle on security that's happening in the kubernetes space You know, like keeping clusters secure images and that kind of stuff is super useful for for what we're doing So, yeah, I mean, I'd love to You know contribute in any way that's helpful if that's like writing code or triage and issues or reproducing bugs or whatever, you know, like Yeah anything really um, so in this form you're not going to find uh, you know any opportunities to Uh code directly you're gonna have to go from you know, kind of this uh higher order level here in the sig Uh down into Uh individual projects, uh, you know, a number of the the members of opa Uh present today, uh great, you know, sort of uh place to start getting oriented Um, so if you're looking for you know path contribution, um, you know, this is going to be you know, kind of an abstraction above that You know, you you aren't going to find a lot of opportunities there um The workflow where they were just uh, you know, sort of discussing and kicking off Uh with the white paper, um, will be uh, extraordinarily useful, uh, you know, where a lot of the the Substance of the white paper is uh, you know capturing the understanding of How security is fundamentally changed in A cloud environment and some of the assumptions that we've had um, you know, uh regarding, uh, you know access to systems and and, um, the quote-unquote physicality Of a system as opposed to like the you know, how we virtualize things Um, and and that's uh, you know something that we're uh diving deep in and uh, you know, you'll you'll have the opportunity to be a part of that um, you know over the next three months and then you know in terms of You know, sort of deeper dives into project um, you know participating in a security assessment would um, you know really, uh give you the perspective of uh, you know, what seasoned professionals that work in this space are looking for and You know the types of concerns that uh arise as we're assessing the Uh components that make up a cloud data system Gotcha. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, that makes sense. Yeah, I appreciate it you guys and Yeah, looking forward to learning more about this Uh, as a book i'll add a link here. This is just my piece. This isn't officially endorsed by cf or anything like that, but uh It's an interesting document by essentially on your security and Interesting reading that you mentioned you're interested in container security I found what was interesting was after reading this finding guidance that cited and referenced it And found essentially just a boatload of use information that I've been using to write my own Security policies within my own company. So it's a it's a good starting sort of square one And find your feet so to say so you can see that in the chat window if you look at it Oh, awesome. Yeah, I appreciate it. Thank you Uh with that are there any other new messages on the call today that would like to open up? Okay, with that looks that's a wrap Have a great day everyone and stay healthy Thanks, you too. 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