Live from Las Vegas, it's theCUBE. Covering Discover 2016 Las Vegas. Brought to you by Hewlett Packard Enterprise. Now, here are your hosts, John Furrier and Dave Vellante. Okay, welcome back everyone. We are here live in Las Vegas for HPE, HPE Enterprise Discover 2016. This is SiliconANGLE Media's flagship program, theCUBE, where we go out to the events and extract the signal from the noise. I'm John Furrier, my co-host Dave Vellante. Our next guest is Robert Young-Johnson, who's the EVP Executive Vice President and General Manager of HPE Enterprise Software Group at Hewlett Packard Enterprise. Welcome back to theCUBE, great to see you. Thank you. Thanks for spending the time. I know you're super busy with customers. You're doing a lot of customer visits. And now that you're running all the software, software is powering all the innovations coming out of HPE. We're seeing with IoT, certainly that is awesome. You've been kind of retooling the haven on demand now that's kind of growing, but AI is hot. Everyone's got some cool, shiny toy. Zuckerberg had virtual reality at Facebook F8 conference. Google I.O. was all about machine learning and AI. What are you guys proposing? What are you guys doing here? What's your big, shiny data toy that you guys are sharing? Well, we've got a lot going on in this particular world, but I think it's important to start by doing a little bit of definition of what people mean by AI, because the point we're going to talk to, they've got endless variants of what it actually means, ranging from the movie X-Machine, and the future generation of digital assistants right through to much more prosaic things. And I tend to be more on the prosaic side. I actually think machine learning and deep analytics are going to get embedded into almost every business process, every application that gets written out there over the next five years. In fact, I set up on stage, I believe that five years from now, almost every application is going to start with data. You're going to load an analytics framework on top of the data, and then the business processes are going to flow out of that. And that's, I think, a very much more pragmatic view than maybe some of the more fanciful views. I don't rule out the more fanciful views, but I'd like to focus on what we can do now and what we can do over the next five years. It's interesting, I was with my son on his 21st birthday this weekend, took him out to San Francisco with him and his friends, some of them are computer science students, and I asked them, I hear what they think of the computer industry, and I asked them to define AI, and they all had different answers. So I want to ask you, what is your definition of AI? What is AI, artificial intelligence?    That's using compute power to help people make better decisions, faster decisions to assimilate vast ranges of data they can't assimilate today, and just think of the world in a different way. At one level, imagine walking around the world and everywhere you look, there's streams of information coming to you, we're giving you background to what you're looking at. You're looking at a store, it's telling you about what's going on in the store, it's telling you about where the store was created. You're looking at a person, you say, by the way, you met this person a year ago, their name is Fred, they've got three daughters, all that sort of constantly flowing at you. I need that app. Yeah, I know, I've said it already. But that's what I think of. That's why I think where the next phase of this is. And I think if you think there, you can suddenly see how all the tools fit. And I agree, I think the IAI term is just misstated, right? I mean, we don't call an industrial machine providing artificial strength. So the question is, is the intelligence that these machines are providing, is it real intelligence?  Are the machines becoming intelligent? Well, it depends how you define intelligence. I mean, I think that are they finding patterns that we probably couldn't find for ourselves? Probably yes. But maybe that's because we're not capable of actually ingesting the vast amounts of information coming off a sensor or coming off a log file or whatever. So in that sense, you can call them intelligent.  I'm not sure. I mean, maybe not in my lifetime. I would never say never to something like that. That's why I think this concept of, you know, taking the decision-making power that we have as human beings and augmenting it to allow us to make better decisions, faster decisions, more nuanced decisions is where the real power of this platform lies over the next three or five years. The humans are still the last mile here. So you called this a huge shift yesterday in your keynote, this machine learning, deep analytics.  Yeah. And you talked about changing the paradigm. What's changed? I think the change is that people are saying that, you know, the core entity on which I need to work is the data I collect. And often that's random, often it's very ill-defined. What you need to do then build an analytics framework on top of that that's going to expose the value in that data. Having done that, you can start to build your new business processes on top of that analytics framework. It's a different way of thinking about how we create workflows and applications. Because in the past, you might have innovated, but it's essence you're always tying it back to an existing process. And if you look at some of the new age compute companies today, they're not doing it that way. They're saying I'm collecting this corpus of data, I'm not actually sure what's in it necessary or whether it's valuable. I'm using the analytics framework to expose the value and structure and then I'm writing my business processes on top of that. And that's allowing them to create breakthrough approaches to being competitive in a particular industry. Robert, last time we chatted in Boston, you were on the soap box, really kind of talking about the approaches of data. I think now we've come to, it's not about, you know, why should I use the big data or data, but how? So I got to ask you a question, and then get your thoughts on this. The pattern we're seeing is the early approaches are, what happened? Look at the data and find out what happened. Look to the future and figure out what's going to happen. But now it's about what's happening today. So the now moment is really now emphasized with the speed of data. So you mentioned speed in your keynote, fast data. How is the now, what's happening now? Cause that's a data problem that requires some streaming, that requires data sources to be accessible and be surfaced. What is that about and how challenging is it and what approaches are people taking for real time in the moment data and analytics? I think I'll make a little distinction. I think real time is important, but perhaps not as important as people think. Sometimes near real time is good enough. It doesn't have to be the microsecond, it could be within five seconds or 10 seconds. But what's much more important is the access to the analytic capabilities and making sure those are widely accessible as opposed to being the province of a few data scientists who generate algorithms. And that's what we've been trying to do with our platform, is to create a lot of embedded intelligence but allow people to access it easily through Stanford straightforward APIs, which means people can write code quickly to solve business problems. So be operationalized and scale. Yeah, be operationalized and scale on a cloud infrastructure. That's what we're setting out to do. A lot of approaches we're seeing to big data in the industry are taking a slightly different approach. I need a PhD, I need a highly paid consultant who's going to come and help you analyze your big data problem. It's then going to use some tools to develop algorithms that can help you tackle that problem. And I'm not sure that's the way this is going to spread out in time. Well, it's kind of been the only way to do it in the last five years, right?  Yeah, that's right. So how are you putting that vision into action? Well, this is what we talked about yesterday with our Haven on Demand platform, which isn't new, but we've actually augmented it very substantially over the last six or seven months. We've extended the range of APIs. Originally it was very much textually based, extracting value and content out of text, which is actually pretty difficult. We've extended that to image, we've extended that to voice. One of the things we showed on our little video yesterday was the ability to do real-time transcription of broadcast so that you could index it. And so if you're going to want to go back and look for it, you can find it. Now you may think it's good or bad. You can use that job. They'll find out what you said three months ago. We have the transcripts. So on the big data platform, I noticed that we had Chris Selin on yesterday, and I noticed his title change. It's big data platform. Doesn't say vertical anymore. I know it's all kind of come together. You've done the consolidation of the brands and also the products. Right now there's a platform war going on after the big guys are fighting it, but also the entrepreneurs are developing tools. And we're certainly seeing in Silicon Valley the softening of the market where those can't be standalone companies, but they want to join an ecosystem. So we've been hearing and seeing startups and or growing companies building, you know, up to a hundred million dollar business on building a great tool. But the key thing now is to join an ecosystem. So what's your message to those folks out there? Why HP platform? How does a tool developer fit into your vision? Well, we're building a platform that is open, extendable, easy to access. We're making the platform available to developers at no charge. I mean, there'll be, eventually, you know, if we think people are running real world applications and making money, we make a, hey, we'd like a little bit of a share of that. But we started that way because my vision initially was that, you know, this had to get traction. This had to get adoption. That's how you build out a community. You know, if you start with the business model and then worry about your technology, you may never create that community. So we started to start with the technology and frankly, we'll build the business model down the track. But, you know, building an extendable API structure that other people can add APIs to. The nice thing about an API structure is that you don't hide anything. If someone says, I've got a better image detection algorithm than you guys do, bring it in. Expose it the same way. And that's good because it's going to end up creating a better class of functionality. Okay, so you made some comments in your keynote about Watson, this is great. So, because it's a good reference point for everybody. But there are others. You know, Google, Facebook, Amazon. Talk a little bit about how you guys see that augmented human intelligence. What's the offering there? Can you compete in that space? What's your intention? Well, I'm totally confident we compete. But what I did on stage was try to draw out a, maybe I was a little not nuanced enough. A little bit of suckering. The distinction of approach that's being taken. I think IBM and, you know, I admire the company hugely with Watson are starting, they're collecting data. You know, they're buying companies like Weather.com and things like that. They want to create corpuses of data. And then they want to be able to sell the value of that data onto their clients. And I think it's a sort of hybrid platform consulting sell with data. Our approach is going to, we need to provide a platform that can get it threaded into almost any solution, any application that anyone wants to build. And that's a different approach. So that's why we've really focused heavily on exposing these APIs and making them available. So would you say IBM is more pre-packaged? You're more enabling? I don't think it's pre-packaged. I think it's more consulting and business process land. Custom, you're saying. It's custom. Your client is your argument there. Because IBM would bristle at that, but. I'm sure they would. But it's been a criticism of IBM. They've made a great business out of it, but you can't just shed your services-led value proposition overnight is really what I'm saying. I'm sure. And again, I've got huge admiration for what they're doing. They've certainly produced a huge amount of focus on the section, on this particular business segment. This is good for everybody. This is great for everybody. So we've been seeing a trend kind of boiling up. And I haven't seen this in my lifetime since I was right out of computer science and undergraduate was the developer market and the enterprise is hot right now. So we saw this in the 80s and 90s, early 90s and kind of kind of went south a little bit, kind of flattened out. But now we're seeing an explosion of DevOps. Your IoT announcement today was pretty significant. Okay, obviously part of the GEE. But now you're seeing real energy in what we're calling enterprise developers, whatever that means. Basically non-consumer developers. It's hard to do in the enterprise. What's your take on that? Because do you see the same thing? Do you see more action on enterprise developers? And how would that compare vis-a-vis standard web or mobile developer out in the wild? I think it's huge energy right now. And I think we're trying to elevate the developer right up our priority stack. And also recognize developers don't work the way they maybe did 10, 15 years ago within the enterprise. 10, 15 years ago there was very much a center of expertise that said these are the tools you'll use. This is the techniques you'll use. And that's what developers did. Today developers tend to choose their own tool sets. And you've got to respond to that. So we made a big announcement earlier this week of our new generation application lifecycle manager product, ALM Octane. And it was really designed to actually recognize that developers will choose their own tool chain. And you need to actually incorporate and integrate their tool chain into the way you think about application lifecycle management. But at the same time you need to actually have a workflow that collects information and ultimately will allow you to predict how successful applications might be in production based on how they go through that workflow. I want to drill down on that. This is really kind of a nuance but kind of not yet mainstream discussion point what you just said. And we're seeing similar thing with open source. Now a tier one citizen, everyone's using open source. The tools or the tool chains are out there. GitHub, we use it, we're a small company. But as enterprises start adopting these I'll call shadow IT like kind of pockets of developers, it's going to be a management nightmare. We're seeing that potential around the corner. Do you see it? I mean, is it a nightmare? How do people make sense of? I think it's an opportunity at the risk of being repetitious. I mean, this is where analytics starts to thread in again because whatever tool chain you use, you're going to be creating information out. Did this piece of code succeed in this test cycle? You know, what's his dependencies? All that sort of stuff. It's going to, whatever you do, it's going to create that. And we think there's a huge opportunity for an analytics framework along that to start to give people a more common view of what's going on. And our dream ultimately is better predict before an application even hits production whether it'll be successful in production. And that's what we're trying to do. I think that's a great opportunity. I think that's not really been identified yet in terms of critical mass yet, but that brings up the whole algorithms, machine learning trend. So the magic that's out there which is called machine learning is just magic. You put machine learning on anything, it's magic happens. Well, now you've got to have the skill to develop the algorithms. And even a lot of work in that area. For example, in the security area, which I've talked about for a long time, I said security becomes the ultimate big data problem. And so what we've been doing is putting a huge amount of effort and dividing specific algorithms to detect certain types of threat. Like when one we announced was DNS malware, just by looking at the pattern of interaction of your device with the network, we can determine whether you've been infected. You don't need antivirus software, we just know. If your PC starts talking to a website in North Korea, it's probably infected. Now, easy on that one-off instance, but put that across 200,000 PCs or other devices in a network, hundreds of billions of DNS queries, it's a really tough thing to do. And we've developed algorithms to do that with zero false positives. I want to talk about your business a little bit. You've de-levered some, tipping point sold to Trend Micro. It's a very important component of HP's business, the software business. I asked Meg several years ago, what's more important, internal R&D or M&A, and she said nothing until we pay down this debt. So now you have HP, the balance sheet, looking much better. I'm sure you got your shopping list, but talk about your business, the objectives of that business. How do you get that humming again to really be a driver of profitability for HP? I mean, the first thing I had to do was clean it up, which is why we ended up looking at very, very hard at every component of our business that, did it fit our overall value proposition or not? And if it didn't, we should really dispose of it, which is why we sold tipping point, great product, intrusion protection. I think Trend Micro will do a great job with it. Great acquisition for them. Yeah, great acquisition for them. We had some legal workflows and stuff, didn't we? And now I think we have a very, very coherent portfolio. And the theme I'm bringing to that portfolio, and again, I'm being repetitious, is my mission, my vision, our vision of HPE Software is to bring machine learning, deep analytics to three areas where we have specific content competence. That's IT operations, the world of the developer, and the world of security. That's what we do. And our products all need to fit into that category. Now, in some cases, it's going to be an evolution, but that's where we're headed. Service management, it's going to become an analytics framework that's designed to stop service tickets being created in the first place, rather than manage the workflow associated with them. Operations analytics, the security stuff, that's our big differentiating theme going forward. You mentioned the use the term democratizing machine learning, is that? I hated it in city, you know what I mean? It's overused, but you know. It's overused, but what does that mean? Because you're essentially, you compare it to IBM in a way, that was kind of what you were saying. That means moving it down from the PhDs and making it much more of a utility for everybody. Is that, would that be the definition? No, absolutely. And I mean, anyone could get an idea on havenondemand.com, they don't need to be a developer, they can actually just play with it. I mean, the way the website's been set up is allow people to try the functionality without having to be deep PhDs on statistical methods or whatever. And that's what I meant by it. Well, I always ask you this question because you're so awesome on thought leadership and knowledge for the folks watching, the younger generation, computer science students or folks in the career looking to really get trained up and or immersed in the data IoT software world that we're in. What advice would you have for them in terms of approaches, mindset? Give us the end of year, graduating speech. It's funny you say this, sunscreen or? Wear a lot of sunscreen? I was meant to be asked this very specifically by some 20 year olds recently, your family, you're connected to our family. And they were sure I go to business school, should I do this? I said write some code, get a project on GitHub, make it open source, write some code. That's the best way to get into this. And so what should I choose this language? I don't care, just write code. Whatever is best. Whatever you think's best. Then start to try to use some of the capabilities we have, like some of the APIs we're exposing, write some cool code that's going to do something that someone never even thought about doing. We had on stage this morning, you know someone who came to one of our hackathons used our code and pushed it at PDFs issued by governments on the performance of those government departments and the way they spent money. And they were able to do that, take it out of the PDFs, put it into Excel and then on that do some analytics that sort of expose some really scary things. Like 60% of the money was going on office supplies. That's a boondoggle. I think it's phenomenal. But it starts, you've got to write some code. Yeah, translate that service. Final few seconds, I want you to take a minute to share with the audience what is Haven on Demand and your vision for HP software? Okay, so for Haven on Demand, Haven on Demand is an exposure of the very deep analytic capabilities we have in both our Vertica and Idol platforms as a series of easy to use, easy to consume APIs, free to developers, free to anyone who wants to just sign up and use it. Also available to enterprises to deploy on-house that's what they choose to do. For overall HP software, our vision is very much rooted in this idea that every app, every solution becomes a machine learning and deep analytics. So you start by building a great platform. I think we have that. You then deploy that platform as far as we're concerned of those three areas where we have really deep competence which is IT operations, it's the world of the developer and it's security.  That's what we do. Robert, thanks so much for spending some of your valuable time here on theCUBE. We really appreciate the insights and the data and we will certainly put this data to work for you and you're out there, write code. So we'll be right back with more media's code videos here at HP Discover, coding it all for you. We'll be right back. I'm John Furrier with Dave Vellante. We'll be right back. You're watching theCUBE.


Hey guys, it's Nate, aka The Foot Accountant. Welcome back to the channel. EA was back on their business yesterday doing something that nobody expected and really seemed like an attempt to make a lot of us lose coins on this game at the moment. We're talking fantasy FC cards and prices today and what EA did to move those. And of course, we need to look forward to what is now confirmed as the showdown series promo. A lot to talk about in today's video. If you're excited for it, drop a thumbs up. Subscribe if you're new. Let's talk about what came first yesterday in terms of the chronological order of content. It was the fantasy upgrades. They came actually three hours before the content drop. Note to self that'll probably happen every week on Wednesday when these cards get upgraded. It is before content. Now, I just want to breeze over a couple of these upgrades because some are pretty good. Some are pretty average. Again, all the cards that get plus ones, it's a plus one informed upgrade. That was one of the biggest things that we saw. Of course, for the higher rated cards, it is a simple plus one. But if you go all the way down here to the bottom, we saw yesterday our first 86 rated card that went to an 88. That was Pierre Le Meleu. And that's going to be very, very nice for the other cards that are 86 rated. They have the potential to get that 86 to 88 upgrade, which makes them even higher rated fodder for most of them in the end, which makes them a really good investment for. So some of those 86 rated cards were actually getting bought up more yesterday. But looking at some of these upgrades, of course, we're looking at a guy like Paul Atano, who we did mention to sell in the hype. And I'm very glad we talked about that because he went from 57,000 coins all the way down to 46K. He's coming back up a little bit. He's 48,000 coins. And there's a reason why, right? On stream yesterday, right? Of course, we said buying this card around 45 to 46K is a good investment because there's still potential that he could go to a 91. And 91 rated cards right now in this market are like 55 to 58K. So he could go up even more because of that. But also this card is just genuinely pretty cracked for 50,000 coins. So I think that a lot of people are going to want to try him out. And after all the investors that bought this card for 20K, again, a couple of weeks ago, sell the card off, that supply should dry up, and he should start to rise a little bit. He is one of the best budget cards in this game. Because look at that item. That is an insane, insane card. Now also, Timo Werner was a very popular card that got upgraded yesterday. Once again, to take a look at how they do these upgrades, a plus one overall, when it is a card that is 87 or above, and it's a simple plus one on the rating, you get plus one on every single stack category on the card face stat wise, and you get two of them that get a plus two. So Werner got plus two passing. And I believe it was plus two physical. So went from 82 passing to 84 and 83 physical to 85, which is really solid for a striker physical and passing. I mean, if they could have done defending and passing or defending and physical, right, they went for physical and passing, that was nice. I think I think also Greenish was one yesterday that had a really, really good upgrade because his plus two went into the shooting category, which is very nice for a card that has a finesse plus shooting play style. So his cards started to trend up as well. A lot of the upgrades yesterday did look pretty nice. And it did impact the market prices of these cards were rising, except for Poletano, right? We knew that Poletano was going to drop, but most of the other ones were rising up until content. So that was really nice to see. We look forward to next week on Wednesday, where the next set of upgrades will be coming out. And we'll talk a lot more about these cards even later in today's video. Now let's go to SBCs and take a look at content on the menus. There wasn't a whole lot yesterday, to be honest. There was literally just one SBC that was dropped, and it was Yuri Telemans, the leaked card. EA did give him a good pace boost, guys. Of course, four star five star, we talked about yesterday. They gave him two play style pluses as well. This is a really interesting card. The stats look good. The work rates are the problem. Medium, medium, that is not good for a midfielder. He still might be really interesting to use in game because he has a lot of play styles. He has every passing play style, but whipped past. He's got over the top long, bomb pass, plus Tiki Taka pinged in incisive pass, and then he's also got first touch plus, which in the midfield maybe isn't as good, still useful. Technical, finesse, and power shot. Genuinely a nice card with the stats and the play style plus is the work rate to the problem, and so is the price, guys. I mean, looking at this SBC, all they had to do to make this decent was remove the 88 rated squad, or maybe even remove the 86 rated squad. But the 88 rated squad inside of this card is making it 310,000 coins, and it's just a little bit too much. But if you're a Villa fan, if you want to at least put this card on your watch list, like we talked about yesterday with Toadibo, they've got a game this weekend. They'll play two games before the card is going away from SBC, so it will still be available, and you can decide to craft him at a later date if Villa looked like, or if this card looks like he's going to be getting upgrades. But that was the item yesterday. You can see a lot of downloads on the SBC and on the card itself, and that's just really because of the price. Also yesterday, of course, we had the icon SBC that refreshed the player pick, which a lot of people were doing. Guys, I don't know what it is. I know there's height because the team of the icons are inside of this. This player pick is terrible. The weight is disgusting. We opened some of these on stream yesterday. Like, we maybe got one good card out of the 5 to 10 that we opened. I got Kelly Smith in this, and I just put her straight into the exchange, because that's just an 89 rated card that is allowing me to craft other SBCs with the fodder that you get from that, like Rolfo. I did three squads of Rolfo yesterday, literally from doing exchanges and crafting in the menus. I had a really good exchange pack look yesterday, and it just allowed me to craft so many different upgrade packs. They were hitting yesterday for sure. The menu grind and craft is still so very, very alive with the 84 times 5, the 81 plus player pick or the crafting upgrade, and of course those exchange SBCs. So that is still amazing, but there wasn't a lot of new SBCs released yesterday. Now speaking of the icon pick, how did fodder move? It really didn't. That's kind of the moral of the story. That's, as we look at these prices down a little bit on the middle tier fodder, the top tier is just kind of holding steady. Didn't really move that much. Not a lot to report on there. Prices are about the same. Now yesterday as well, we had a brand new team of the week, and Messi is the headliner of that team of the week with his double playstyle plus card. It's almost the same exact stats as the radioactive, but it is a little bit cheaper of course, because he does not get the links the radioactive does. Oseman's in here with two playstyle pluses. Foden, there's really not a whole lot to comment on about this team of the week. It's a pretty mediocre team of the week. Sorloth with another inform. Decent card, right? Powerheader plus is going to be good for crosses. Areola got a pretty big upgrade. He has really bad reactions though. That's a card people might be interested in. So yeah, not too much crazy there with the team of the week that was released, but we did have a leak of an upcoming icon SBC. We were wondering who our icon SBC was going to be after we saw EA post that as a part of our content that is upcoming. Jarzinio is the guy that is going to be getting an icon SBC soon, and you maybe saw the leak yesterday, right? It was leaked and posted that this Jarzinio was coming out. Guys, I honestly don't believe that it is this version. I think it's going to be like the Ziko situation we had during the team of the year where we thought it was going to be the Centurion Ziko, but it ended up being the base. Now, regardless, both Jarzinio versions were down a lot in price yesterday. It went from a million coins down to under 800K back up as he was not released yesterday. He was of course rebounding in price, but he is an SBC that is going to be coming soon. This actually could be today guys. Today on Thursday could be a day where Jarzinio gets released. It also could be later on this weekend since it was on the content tweet. It could be today, it could be Saturday or Sunday in my opinion in the next three to four days is probably when we get Jarzinio. So watch out for that. His base, what, was one million coins before the leak. I would have to imagine that they're going to drop his SBC. Maybe it would be like eight to nine hundred thousand coins. They haven't been giving that much of a haircut on price for these SBCs recently. Now, if they do end up being really nice and dropping this version of Jarzinio, the Sancturians, I would say probably more of like a 1.7 to 1.8 million coin SBC. I would rather have this version who wouldn't, right? You get the better card with how craftable SBCs are right now. Like you might as well give us this one EA. I mean, I'm just expecting the base. And I'm hoping for the Sancturians. But yeah, I'm not investing in fodder for that. I'm still holding all of my 89s that I invested in just because of what is upcoming this weekend. The lack of promo packs that are probably going to be opened. And if Jarzinio was a halfway decently priced SBC, people might want to do it. I mean, let's be honest and talk about this for a second. Is this a really good card to be dropping as an icon SBC right now? In my opinion, it's okay. It's not great, but it's okay. I mean, he only has one play style plus he only has five play styles in total on his card. It's not bad. He's a very meta card. A lot of people remember how good he was last year. He's still good in this year's game. I just think we wanted something a little bit bigger, a little bit better. Mia Ham, Cruyff, Pele, Dino, right? That's kind of what I was hoping for. But it looks like we are not going to see that. Now, the last thing with content that we have to talk about from yesterday actually revolves around the store and also how EA tried to make a lot of us lose coins yesterday. Now the packs are no longer there. If I go in here, there's no global limit section. They ran lightning rounds yesterday, guys. That's the thing that really surprised us. And it was the trick that EA had up their sleeve. Now, these packs have expired, but I have a little screenshot of how it looked when it was on stream yesterday. We were looking at these and surprised in the moment to see what packs were being released. They dropped literally the best lightning rounds that they have dropped all year long. These are the lightning rounds they dropped during team of the year when the attackers in the midfielders were out, which made the attackers in midfielders so supplied. Remember when Kelly Smith, not Kelly Smith, Sophia Smith and Sam Kerr were like really cheap in the first couple of like hours and even days when they were released as just the attackers for team of the year in packs. That's because these lightning rounds, while there was better pack way than and these lightning rounds route and 85 times seven tradable 400 K pack 2000 FC points. And also that 215 K packed to the left of it was a tradable 84 times 10. And then the 83 times 100 is the other pack to the right. That was untradable. But these two packs, the 85 plus times seven and the 84 plus times 10 was a huge set of lightning rounds to be released again, literally the best lightning rounds that they could put out in this game on a random Wednesday when yes, they added messy into team of the week. But like, is that the only thing they were trying to sell in the packs is messy being in team of the week? Or was it really a move to try to get people to lose coins because they were going to put supply on the market of these fantasy FC cards. That's almost what it feels like now I know we're talking from a trader perspective and we invest in these cards a lot. So that's what we care about the most. But EA 100% know that so many people are investing in all of these cards right now for the potential upgrades. And since the prices were going up a lot yesterday, especially after some of the cards got upgraded, it was kind of like EA kind of had their sneaky ambitions to release packs to make these cards drop, right? Madsen who I invested and went from 43,000 coins to 48 to 49k, boom, right back down to 41, 42,000 coins with this supply of this card being put back on the market. I get to show you guys so many examples even on a little more of an expensive card. Gundawan went from 300k to 90 all the way down to 254. He's back up now to 270. He's rebounding the lighting rounds have gone away. But a lot of people yesterday saw this and and maybe even started to panic sell a little bit. There was so much buying, buying, buying. Everybody was getting ready for these cards to continue to rise and then EA dropped these lighting rounds out of nowhere, surprised us and made a lot of these card prices actually drop off considerable amounts as they were just getting supplied. Why would EA drop these? I literally think the reason was to try to get people to panic and maybe lose a little bit of coins and just supply the market a little bit more on these fantasy team two and the hero cards. Like look at McManaman. McManaman was a card that I actually had bought before a content yesterday and he was two like 05, 210. He went all the way down to 163, which is where he is right now. That's very low for a card that should still get an upgrade, hopefully two, but probably just one, right? A lot of these cards dropped yesterday because that supply and it just seems with the timing that EA was trying to make a lot of people lose some coins. But besides that, here's the question. Should you sell? Well, if you take a look at the number of coins that I have, I'm not selling. I'm holding because again, these are cards that I still believe in the upgrades for and they didn't drop off that much. It's honestly kind of funny. If there was a lot more hype for opening packs right now in this game and spending coins and stuff like that, I think, sorry, spending FC points on packs, I really think that the market could have dropped off a lot more because those were actually some of the best lighting rounds on this game. But since there's so little hype for these cards, you only pack literally like the fodder ones, it seems, right? Not a lot of people opened those packs. They didn't go away very fast and I don't even think they sold out. They were out for all six hours before they ended on the timer. Not even the global limit number had been opened. So it was an opportunity to maybe buy into the cards is really what it presented. Another opportunity to invest on some of these. Some of the prices that we saw earlier in the week, like, you know, not Le Me Loup or say, but Orban went from like 37,000 coins. He's back up now to like 37K. But as you can see here yesterday, he was up at 39 and then went down to 33. Great investment opportunity. And now he's starting to go back up. So if there's still low prices in any of these that you want to get involved in, you could see that as an opportunity to invest. But it also created a bit of panic and you saw those prices drop off from the supply and people that started to sell those. It did create some panic. I want to just reiterate that because some cards from team one actually dropped off in price as well, like Konate, who did get upgraded yesterday with the packs that came out. I think people started to panic a little bit, right? He didn't drop after he got his upgrade. It was at content that Konate went from 490 down to 460. Now he's back up to 490,000 coins. Happened on a couple of other cards as well. Lacazette still a little bit low. Mojari went down. Griezmann is down a little bit right now. He didn't get upgraded yesterday.  But it just created a little bit of panic because it just seemed like it was just kind of scummy from EA to drop those random insane lightning rounds and supply the market like that, like they did yesterday on a day where nobody expected it. And really a lot of people had invested in these cards that are in packs because of the potential upgrades. So again, I would say yesterday was a good opportunity to buy some of these cards, even though it's pretty scummy what they tried to do. But at least they're live cards and people have the opportunity to make a lot of coins on them with the upgrades. So we're still holding the one thing that does scare me a little bit and it does show you kind of how fragile maybe maybe that's the word we can use the fragile mess of some of these cards how just a lightning round or a couple of lightning rounds or maybe even a little bit of panic selling can make them drop considerable amounts just like that. Just imagine when a player kind of we've already seen it with a couple of these cards like Sean Hanaglut have dropped off crazy amounts just imagine especially for some of these cards from team two when they maybe fail to get an upgrade point this weekend or progress towards that point they're going to drop off a lot. So that's one thing to kind of take away from yesterday and remember and see that these cards could drop off at a moment's notice they are a semi-risky investment except for the fodder ones right? I mean still even those they could drop a bit if they don't achieve those upgrades that's just something to kind of keep in the back of your mind after what happened yesterday. So a little scummy for me I know I've used that word plenty of times in this video but that's just kind of how it feels it's one of those EA type things that they're going to do but we haven't seen them do it in a long time especially this year so it kind of just hits a little bit different right now for that. Now there was some other news yesterday and they do have a couple more packs in this store that will continue crafting through but I want to get onto some of the leaks from yesterday and the news as well because the showdown series promo with the loading screen that we saw and loading into this video and also with the leaks yesterday is now 100% confirmed it is not for birthday this Friday it is showdown series this is a screenshot from last year we had the Bino Gittens and the Henricks showdown SBC we are getting daily showdown SBCs and old re-release promo cards back into packs again including some of the FC versus cards fire and ice winter wild cards team the goose stage and probably some others now we did have some official the first official showdown leaks of cards that are going to be included in this promo don't get too excited to see Felix or DePye anytime soon because this game is not until March 17th but it is going to be a very nice showdown maybe one of the more hype ones throughout this promo these stats on these cards by the way are predicted they are not confirmed so just be careful when you're thinking about that and seeing that I don't know how much EA is going to juice these cards guys right with the power curve that we are in right now these cards need to have two playstyle pluses whether they get two playstyle pluses at the beginning or whether that's part of the upgrade at the end they need to have two playstyle pluses in my opinion to be relevant and EA might make them a little more expensive because of that but I'm okay with that if they have a bigger boost and the potential to upgrade with a win of course right plus two for a win plus one for a draw and again I hope there's also some weak foot or skill move incentives alongside of each of these skill move or of each of these showdown SBCs as they get released this next week that's what I'm hoping for now Joao Felix could end up being a really really good SBC this card is very good if they give a better playstyle plus this card's five star four star needs some play styles as well but this card could be very very good and also links to roll flow right that a lot of people have been crafting right now DePye could be decent as well needs a weak foot upgrade right five star three star on his base so we'll see what they end up doing with that that's the first SBC leak but that's not going to be coming out for a while the second leak is one that I think we actually might see tomorrow on Friday to start right off with the promo it is a kanji versus Bobby Clark and you feel like who's Bobby Clark if you're not a Liverpool fan you probably don't know I didn't Bobby Clark is a 57 rated bronze card and of course these are also predicted stats as well so again take with that what you will these are predicted stats a kanji is not dutch by the way he is swiss that was a mistake on the graphic he could be very very good um especially because he's had really good promo cards before and the way that his item sits in game could be very good also for Clark he's just gonna need a massive upgrade right he has got no play styles he's two star three star medium medium center mid and left wing he needs some big upgrades and a lot of play styles added to his card to make him pretty good so we'll see what kind of a juice that EA give him but a kanji straight off the bat interests me for sure I know we've had a lot of center backs recently he needs a high defensive work rate but he's got a four star weak foot on his base he's six foot two great defending stats great physical solid dribbling and passing and he's only got slide tackle so he needs some play styles as well but there's promise for this and this game's taking place on Sunday which is why I think the showdown SBC is probably going to be on Friday so this one could be coming out very very soon so watch out for that one and then the third and final leaked SBC we have right now is esauck versus chill well this game is pretty soon as well esauck is always a hyped card he's got the winter wild cards version this year which kind of didn't get that big of an upgrade and I think kind of I don't know wasn't that high not a lot of people use this esauck card it's not a bad card it's just not that many people used it four star five star of course is a staple for him he's tall he's going to have good heading jumping but also good dribbling and shooting really solid card really good dribbling he's got quick step rapid trivella on this version hopefully some more play styles and then he talked about chill well that's a very interesting one as well he could be hopefully getting a massive pace boost and pretty usable when I think of chill a special cards I think back to FIFA 21 where we had like the festival of football summer stars whatever it was the the bright green version of chill well when England did very well in the last euros they got very high upgrades it was a really cracked chill well card hopefully something along those lines probably not as good but I'm really curious to see what rating these cards come out as when they get released but chill well all he has is the jockey play style he is three star three star left footed and 74 pace so we're going to need a massive pace upgrade for him for sure but those are your leaked cards at the moment there's definitely going to be more I'd watch out for I think like inter is going to be in one and Dortmund is going to be in a showdown as well watch out for more of those leaks coming today on Thursday and also today on Thursday as a part of this promo as we mentioned cards are going to be getting re-released back into packs and we've mentioned that you've already started to see some of the prices dropping on some of these cards like in cunku there's potential that there could be leaks as to cards that might be re-released in packs so be very careful with those I've seen multiple cards from versus fire ice winter wild cards team of the group stage dropping off in price in the last couple of days like this young man's son dropped down a couple hundred thousand coins yesterday the fire version of this card as well he's usually over two mil he was like 1.8 million coins he's back to 2.1 mil right now because he's very rare but some of these cards are going to get re-released back into packs there could be leaks around that and there could be some panic selling in those drops there so those are all the leaks and up-to-date stuff with the next upcoming promo watch for a loading screen update today they might tease some of the cards that are going to be re-released in packs themselves and yeah watch out for that hopefully we get some more news from EA but other things to come today on Thursday rivals rewards the usual Thursday stuff marquee matchups the objectives that refresh every Thursday as well those are going to be coming back today and then I mentioned it already maybe jarzino don't think we're getting a player as we see today besides maybe an icon I think it's going to be a pretty quiet day I don't think there's even anything refreshing when it comes to the upgrades apart from your daily regular refreshing stuff I don't think the 86 plus refreshes today it does not the 87 plus does not either it's just the 84 5 and the 85 plus player pick the last couple chances to do that so that'll be nice to be crafting today should be a pretty quiet day and very last thing is I don't know if you guys notice this or not but EA is still going to try to sell some packs in the store during this uh non new promo right showdown series no new cards in packs they're going to re-release old stuff and they're also going to re-release some old icons and heroes in big store packs as well epic historical on-core pack includes four guaranteed icon hero or winter wild card icon uefa champions the hero or future star icon so future star icons are packable from this which is pretty crazy uh one of them is 89 plus and then an 81 times 35 inside of the pack as well that's a pretty crazy pack um but it's one of those that I don't know man is it really worth if you're spending FC points in this game the packs to really spend the FC points on were the ones that were released as the lighting rounds yesterday just to be completely honest especially because they're tradable very high rated that's what I would say if you're going to spend the dough one to spend it on I don't spend FC points that's completely up to you I packed Kendrava four times yesterday after not packing him at all in the first what four or five days this promo um wow chahana glue as well but that's going into a duplicate exchange that is a duplicate it's going into exchange is that what I'm trying to say and that means more crafting for us to get rolfo done and other sbcs but the menu grind still continues and that is the best part about this at the moment uh because you can just literally continue to do stuff like this and get new cards in your club and boom I just got 27 new gold cards the potential of packing another of those um FC fantasy players which I did multiple times yesterday from exchange packs and just fodder that I can end up putting into other sbcs so the craft is nice but hopefully EA give us something to craft this next week with the showdowns and maybe even starting today let's open the exchange pack I need some more player picks I'm going to skip it just because I didn't see the flare there it was Dutch uh that one wasn't too great anything here at the back hiding probably not yeah see that one was just average but you know what I'll take it rinse into player picks and keep crafting good luck if you guys are playing champs games today I'm lazy listing my fodder still I did sell off a couple of the quick flips that I wanted to have with Rodman and Grealish so that I could have some coins back once again to be flipping other items and yeah I'm still very heavily invested on FC fantasy cards and a lot of my regular fodder just because at this moment why would I sell it why would I sell it I believe in the cards that I've invested in and fodder there's not very many people opening packs so why would I be selling fodder right now when there's more sbcs to come and still a lot of people that won't be opening packs as they'll be saving for foot birthday this next week we'll talk about that more in upcoming days but hopefully today we can all pack one last FC fantasy or get that sbc crafted that we really want to get done before these cards go out of packs tomorrow but if you enjoyed today's video drop it up to bottom comment down below if you have any questions and subscribe for new see you guys in the video tomorrow and in the stream today that links down below in the description peace out