And during the break too I had someone come up to me and mention about the movie last night or the Star Trek episode it was quite intense and I think those kind of movies or episodes are they really do kind of bring the ego out of its hiding place because it's so used to hiding in the dark shadows but when we have something so direct that pretty much shows a whole big picture in one showing then a lot of times the ego gets stirred up and it could bring up some very intense emotions so I wanted to start with that. If there's still some questions we were talking this morning that there's a lot that happened at the end of that with Captain Janeway you know coming being very direct with the ego but also it was a sense of her being in safety not being in stasis not being sleeping not being at the mercy of the ego which all the characters that went in there with the clown character you know he says I know everything and I know all your all their fears their securities their memories and would use those fearful memories to scare them to keep them whenever they try to think of escaping and so that's quite a strong parallel with what we're dealing with in our lives and working with the course that the course is very direct and these kind of movies or episodes are very direct and then it's very common in retreats for some volatile emotions to come up because they've been pushed down and this is a way of saying it's time for healing time to let those up in a safe context and that's the most important thing so if there are any follow-up questions around the end of that movie or any kind of questions or clarifications that are required I'd like to address them yeah it was called a hologram so it looked real it looked three-dimensional I think I was using the metaphor back in the time of Jesus where seemed like there was this man with a robe and long hair that was walking around on planet Earth and then even after the crucifixion when the body was was put in the tomb and then the seal was broken and the stone was rolled away and then Jesus came back and made more appearances there's a book called the Oransha book where I believe there was a number of appearances where Jesus came back and did teaching and speaking and in that book it said he didn't have a regular body he had a Oransha body it was called where it looked human it looked completely human but it didn't have any heart pumping and any blood going through it it was put together by the angels as a teaching device when he made his appearances before he as the Bible said ascended back to God's Father so that you can say the same with Captain Janeway that she her mind wasn't in stasis so she wasn't asleep and she was programmed to respond to the clown character the ego character but she was in no danger because she wasn't sleeping she was she was over our Holy Spirit representation in that movie of what how the ego finally was transcended by the spirits by the by the spirit using a device but not not really on this on the system on the system but not in stasis so that's that's what that was at the very end it was an appearance of Captain Janeway yes well it's always interesting with nightmares to just to kind of pay attention to the feelings because the fear is always coming from a fearful interpretation and really that's what we're working with the Holy Spirit on is help purifying our interpretations because we don't really interact with this world directly it's more like there's all these images and then the ego's given them a meaning and so there's like a filter or an interpretation that that is where the struggle comes in so the Holy Spirit is helping us purify the filter by which we're viewing the world and then you get more and more to a point where you don't buy into the thoughts and then you notice your experiences in the world change for example when I was much younger my parents would take me to an amusement park with roller coaster rides and I was always afraid of the roller coaster rides they went so fast and they you know your body just got rolled around so so I avoided the roller coaster rides and then I think when I was probably in my 20s I thought well it's time for me to face my fear of roller coasters so I got on it and my heart was pounding and my body was thrown all over the place and so that was a pretty intense experience and then I remember working with the chorus for many years and a friend from Cedar Point, Ohio invited me to this amusement park after I'd worked with the chorus for many many years and she was there her daughter was there and I went on all these roller coaster rides and the body was turned in every which way and upside down and hanging and all this and I noticed it did bother me at all I was just like I'm doing the right my mind had had kind of let go and then I went into this it was kind of a cinema where where it's very tall like three stories high and you go into this room and they project this big screen of like being on the back of a fire engine ladder and sweeping around hang gliding and all these things and they had metal bars there when they showed you walk in and stand there and I said what is the metal bars for well when they start showing the film people were grabbing each other and falling to the floor and holding on to the metal bar because their perceptions were that they were being swung around all over the place and I just noticed that I was just standing there and people were grabbing on to my leg and holding on to the bar like this even though the floor wasn't moving nothing was ever just showing how how it's our perceptions that throw us off balance it's our interpretations so I was quite impressed I thought wow the voice is working because you don't really know how much is working until you're put in situations where this is sharp sound or something a snake comes out or a big spider drops down from the floor something that you might have reacted to before and you notice you're not reacting you're just kind of watching and that's part of what the mind trainings about to become more in your experience with the Holy Spirit attached from the world so you can be the observer you can just watch the dream without reacting and responding to it so yeah I would say that episode yesterday was quite an intense episode it's not in common so people have said wow that clown character was freaky and bizarre and it did stir up some unconscious fears and occasionally it could stir up a nightmare or whatever in the sense of but what we have to look at the whole context that's part of the reason why Helen and I saying little ego was to try to give you a context to remember that that it depends on your mind for its existence you're not really dependent on it and it would want you to be afraid of it but the more we work with the spirit we get more confident in seeing you can't fool me you know like the song said you have no existence you know it ultimately gets purged and overcome that way yeah so just I just want to hear it again for you something like that so that's like the end of the Star Trek episode the Holy Spirit comes in fearless the Holy Spirit is awake and facing the fear so once my job then I see the fears but I also have to face the fears I have to be aware coming being aware of it yeah so what's my job how does it work the best way well your job is just ahead of willingness to not hide and protect the the dark feelings or the dark thoughts and beliefs anymore in other words it's by having defense mechanisms and protecting them that they stay hidden and when they stay hidden then you still feel like the mercy Carl Jung was a very famous psychologist we talked about the shadow it's that unconscious set of beliefs that it can be daunting when you start to get on spiritual journey and you start to face these unconscious thoughts and beliefs it can be overwhelming I know when I was I was not involved in a relationship during high school I was not involved in a relationship in my early 20s in my mid 20s until I think I was 27 years old when I was in my first relationship and I was also in graduate school so I kind of went into ego overwhelm when during the relationship all these unconscious feelings came flushing out and with the seeming pressure of graduate school papers and exams and presentations and like floods of things coming on when I first started working at the course I had so much emotional darkness that came up and it was so intense that I just thought how do people do this how how can people have jobs and careers how do people have relationships and go on a spiritual journey of awakening I don't I don't get it I mean I had been so denied and repressed that when it came up and I thought oh in graduate school on top of it you know like yeah thank you Holy Spirit you know why not just throw the whole throw it all on me at once I just wanted to like stand in my covers and not go out because I thought I'm gonna get triggered all day from this stuff and then and then the first relationship that the Holy Spirit sent me the woman was was a fundamentalist Christian there's the Calvinist past coming back and it's like thank you okay you really want to flush this up in a hurry you know so with her and churches and her parents and heaven and hell fire and damn nation and oh god you know and then graduate school on top oh come on come on how do you expect me to do this so it was very intense and and generally that's what happens when you start working with the course the more that you build your confidence and invite the Holy Spirit the Holy Spirit is like going to say well hey we have to we have to not protect those dark thoughts of beliefs that's the only thing you have to be willing to do is not protect them not stuff them back down and not distract away from them let them come up into awareness it would be like if you were like a dentist and you know you had a tooth with a cavity or an abscess or where where disease had seemed to go down into the root if you needed like a root canal you know a root canal is it's a it's a delicate kind of thing where you have to go all the way down into the roots of the tooth because of the decay is going on and you might say this is the same with our mind that as long as we have this unconscious belief system this down there we have to get it to decay that's underneath there's no point in trying to keep fix arrange and rearrange the characters on the surface and arrange the effects when there's at the level of mind at the level of causation is where the issues are that's where the beliefs are that's where the attack thoughts are it's not the people the ego would have us run away from certain people or trying to get certain people out of our lives and so on and so forth but but to really face those those emotions those thoughts and those beliefs it's so important in fact some of the books that I have one of them's in awakening through Course in Miracle we have this instrument for peace which which is a worksheet designed to help you go through with your emotions it's in one of the works right there facing your your emotions your perceptions your emotions your thoughts and then ultimately your beliefs to help you get down to the root because the ego itself is a belief and it sponsors this belief in linear time and as long as the mind is addicted to this time belief it's afraid of eternity because eternity and time can't really coexist one's real and one isn't and so when the mind is trying to play both sides or believe in both it's very uneasy it's very intense in the mind so over the years I've just worked with things like music and movies and things that inspired me and then when people have said well what's the fastest way to salvation or enlightenment I said well relationships and silence I mean if you have a combination if you've got a meditation practice and you have relationships going on then that's going to be the fast crack because the ego is going to get flushed way out of its it's like flushing hornets out of a hornet's nest you know you you stick to stick in there you move it around and then all these hornets come flying out that's kind of what happens when you use a combination of of silence and relationships because the ego hates silence that's why a lot of times when people go off in the monastery's convents or yoga practices meditation practices you know it's stirred up the ego doesn't like silence and then relationships there's so much mirroring that goes on that it's like having a very close mirror right in front of you just mirroring everything back it could be with interpersonal relationships the parent-child relationships you know oftentimes even with with employees or employers and bosses authority figures you know it's a lot of anger and rage just comes up in those kind of context because there's so much mirroring going on so I think that was another aspect of the Star Trek episode is the whole idea of of going into this artificial world and seeing the dynamics they're all wearing masks they're always dancing and partying but it's kind of like partying out of out of guilt they're afraid they're afraid to to escape they're afraid to to live so they're trying to make happy pretend happy but they're all wearing masks and I just found it a particularly good metaphor for for Planet Earth when I saw those characters dancing around and we're looking for someone you know they're they're in another town and the woman the woman says there are no other towns like this is what we're dealing with here is there's just gameplay a lot of gameplay going on and a lot of false partying we have to cut through okay so any other myself this morning how can I get that how can I do something so just looking at this dream and then ask the Holy Spirit or just letting it be yeah as you call forth these emotions to come up into awareness really the prayer is to join with the Holy Spirit help me see this differently you know ask for guidance and help on that and know that for the first aspect of forgiveness there'll be a lot of uncovering and exposing that's just the way it's going to go it will get it will go beyond you will go more to consistently aligning with the Holy Spirit and when you do that you're able to overlook the error it says in the Course the Holy Spirit overlooks the defiled altar and looks to the light of the Atonement so that's ultimately where you come closer to Christ's vision when you get more and more practice at looking with the Holy Spirit and overlooking the error overlooking the defiled altar so you might say though that it still comes down to a willingness to not hide and protect because if you're not willing to hide and protect then they are going to disappear they will vanish the skeptic jaymai said eventually he does vanish and then you go goes draft because it's game over to use a game analogy game over when there's there's no protecting and hiding so ultimately you want relationships where you can just see what's on your mind you can you can feel a safety and a security there and why why relationships because if you can do it with with another human being so to speak then you can do it with the Holy Spirit it's just doing with another human being is a symbol of your willingness to not hide and protect because from the egos my training and the egos training we have we've been scared to expose these thoughts and beliefs for fear that we'll lose our relationships if I expose this then they'll either use it against me it'll come back behind me and or it'll be used to sabotage and expose the relationship and there's such a fear of losing a relationship that the mind puts a lid on the darker emotions and seals it tight like no I will never go there I'll never look at that but then no healing occurs if the if the mind is so sealed so anything that you can do that kind of allows it up usually with a trusted friend or a partner that you really love and trust then that helps letting those thoughts up and then really you're letting them up to the Holy Spirit and as soon as they come to the Holy Spirit they're gone something the Holy Spirit has to wrestle the ego or something it's like as soon as the darkness comes to the light they're gone immediately they vanish immediately so that's why it's so important not to hide and protect them and to slowly develop trust and faith that you can do this I can I can let these up this is helpful and that's why we started this practice with these expression sessions it's expression sessions the Holy Spirit is just smiling on grace now we can really get to the core of healing the ego is going to be going no this is risky business this is this is like laying down sticks of dynamite all around and hoping you don't step on one and set off a booby trap or something like this uh the ego likes to just keep things smooth over and pushed down out of awareness so this kind of communication is just precious and it does take a while to get used to it because I had this but this morning it was totally changed I said it also in my group because I could see the benefit of it it's just just like I changed my mind and the whole thing was changed and in the group also many things came up and it was like it was me and it was such a good group and I was so happy the whole thing is this yeah it's true this I experienced this all the time first this I was sitting in the boat absolutely the movie you know I don't know and then yeah yeah so I'm pretty happy yes very actually I have a question about indigenous people maybe Aboriginal for instance I feel very connected to the culture but also sort of in needs in Brazil so I'm very I feel very connected sometimes when I'm seeing it's like all all cultures come out of my voice you know it goes very far and I have this idea in my mind that there are still people on the planet that really live in the harmony and live in the spirit and live in the devotion of everything that is around them and I was just wondering what are your thoughts about that so I do I project my happy dream of those things or do I in those moments because I also very strong dreams do I in those moments connect with something or is it also all my projection it's just how does all of that come together yeah yeah I would say that yeah for you the indigenous people are our witness of spirit and there's there's indigenous people that like the Indians in in Brazil the Indians in Canada the United States the Aborigines Aborigines down in Australia they the Jesus is telling us that this world is backwards and upside down so everything throughout history that has been under the name of civilization the industrial revolution bigger guns bigger weapons one of my favorite Star Trek movies we watched the Star Trek episode but there's actually full full length Star Trek movies two hour movies and one of them I think it's called insurrection I believe it is and and it's Captain Picard and and they they come to this planet to help these people they think they're primitive and so the enterprise they land there and they're there to help protect them from invading forces and they seem to be primitive they're you know children playing and and they're growing crops and so on and so forth and they assume that these people don't have technology they just assume it by the way they're looking actually they they have work drive capabilities they have some of the highest technological abilities they choose not to use them in fact at one point the woman tells Captain Picard where is there to go when he's all excited about work drive and exploring girl she says where is there to go you know that's her answer and he's a bit suspicious then at one point she goes deep into a mystical experience like the whole instant and slows down all of time and space and and he goes in with her into this experience of deep love and it totally contradicts everything that he believes about being a captain and and civilization and power and all the things that he thinks are important as part of you know Starfleet they're all wiped out in these experiences so it's I think the same thing with with the aboriginals and with a lot of the natives they they are the advanced ones actually they are at the top of advancement and the ones that are supposedly this advanced civilization are very backward it's all flipped around and we also see with the children that are being born because you know in our generations we're seeing star children being born and we're seeing children that that are demonstrating advanced psychic capabilities disinterest in ambition disinterest in society trying to to sit in or trying to advance and achieve their they're actually witnesses of the spirit too they're like teachers but the world categorizes them as you know learning deficits and attention deficit it's just got a bunch of diagnosis for these like indigo children that are showing up in fact there's a great movie in our movie watchers guide to enlightenment called Lucy and at the end I was at the theater I watched Lucy this spectacular movie I I was watching the credits roll and the credits roll and listening to the songs I like to always stay in the theater and listen and I waited in there I told everybody was with me no let's wait something's coming they said it's over David it's over it's the credits oh wait so here comes all the credits credits and then then the song comes on God's whisper and I hear God's whisper I am the savior we are indigo and the whole song is from the indigos which is great because the whole movie is really about the indigos and advancing in consciousness and not in material means or not as advancing in learning or the ways of the world but in spiritual consciousness so yeah I think that's beautiful that you're you feel that connection you're putting yourself in a position where you can sing sing it through and in a lot of the indigenous people you know the elders and the tribes there's been singing and dancing and all kinds of mechanisms in place that are very helpful for spiritual awakening and just to modern day civilization they seem like just a bunch of rituals it's different because yesterday I felt uh to be a little bit away from the electricity that's why I wanted to go to the woods and I was touching some trees and just breathing with some trees and and I have a strong feeling of of going back deep in the garden with no electricity and if I now shower I start to spontaneously sing for the water to thank the water so I'm really living the happy dream but I'm also thinking my my apartment and I I wrote outside of my wall that nobody can see I am spirit I am spirit so it's like uh and then I was imagining maybe someone comes and live there in 30 years when I'm dead or later then you find stone and you and you see written on it I am spirit that might be so much fun you know so uh I'm trying to yeah to translate this deeply belonging of living in the jungle which now is not possible at the moment but still I'm imagining I'm already there and so many voices come through me and so many wisdom and and being thankful for for all the materials in my life I have been in a relationship with a man from Argentina for eight years and I was complaining about my loneliness it was like eight nine years ago and he opened my eyes in saying like but everything that we see here you know like this this podium this this material it is made by thousands of people thousands of spirit cooperating together so whenever you're in your house you feel lonely just start counting objects and imagine the truck driver the one who made it the one who sold it the one who packed it the one who cleaned it the one who invented it so even in the material world you can all the time feel the connection of spirit and then probably I prefer not to feel that connection in the nature but he opened my eyes to see that even in that cement in the city is the same that the same invisible net is there to tap into so but I love that in the avatar of the tree and how all the trees under the ground are collected I just want to stay with the blue guys there I think that's beautiful that's some of the the largest I think they said the largest organism on the planet is a is a grove of trees the root system is all connected and it's literally one organism but it's massive most people don't think of trees as the largest organism on the planet but it's that interconnectivity that's there and all the energy that's there and so it's good I think it's good to practice like with whatever comes your way I can see where this relationship has been like heart expanding and mind opening and that's really the prayer of the heart you know the ego wants us to use relationships to stay asleep just to find artificial agreements and artificial pursuits and interests to say together and then the real prayer of the heart is help me open up help me expand anything that will expand perception expand awareness is is extremely helpful and then you feel this gratitude like so much gratitude for that yes yes expression sessions in groups is there maybe is there maybe also time to uh to be prepared to practice uh I would like that to to take home as well it's easy to continue that way to practice somebody else okay well that's I don't remember all the guidelines so I would like to practice that again that's a request I think for this afternoon this is our last kind of three afternoon and so tomorrow we close at five so we'll probably have some type of a closing uh in the afternoon tomorrow but I think this afternoon is pretty wide open there's been some interest in taking some bikes to the sea you know to the the sand the sea the beach there has been an interest where was talk we talked about the Odenza and we talked about maybe an experiential session more like an angel bath but but certainly what you're describing I call it diet work whereas you just have two people sitting diet it's just it's two people coming together to to do this open heart opening experiences it's very very helpful so maybe as we wind down today we can just kind of at the end of this session we'll just kind of get a show of hands of who's interested in what because everything's available we're tailoring this to what you want so because there's a group of people that want diet work yeah that's another for this and already waiting for this one on the stage okay okay so perhaps tomorrow morning perhaps some diet do a full diet group with the whole group and maybe when it's not possible I would like to speak to one of you with the direction so I can practice it anyway okay thank you very good okay we'll open it up to if anybody wants to come up hello is it on you give me a little one of the reasons why me that's because I was very afraid to come up that's one of the reasons beautiful okay that's the first thing you can accomplish right away last year I was one day with you in Amersold and I was really excited to meet you sometime I experienced my feelings like I create this world every second two worlds like like the course of the true world and that's what I see with my body you know they're the same time they're here the words but you know yeah it's right in this moment they're right here they're so close it's so close let's say yeah yeah yeah yeah thank you yeah it's it's so beautiful to think that that I remember when I was reading the course and and I saw the phrase the maker of the world but the maker part was capitalized and and I said what's that the capital maker and that's the Holy Spirit so the Holy Spirit has has given us the real world and given us the happy dream and I don't know about a lot of you but I was raised with the bible and and I think one of the most common the most common known phrases in the bible was that God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten son that who so ever believe in him shall not perish but have eternal life and in a course of miracles Jesus says it's pretty good it's close I love how you know it's like come on it's the most popular saying in the bible only Jesus could say close and he says it should be he gave it to his only begotten son God so loved the world that he gave it to his only begotten son that who so ever believe in him shall never perish but so have eternal life he's talking about the happy dream he's talking about the real world God gave us a happy world in answer to the ego's insane request for a world of separation and conflict and division God so loved the world he gave you the happy world he gave you the happy dream and and who so ever forgives or who so ever accepts the atonement will see this happy world uh how beautiful and what I like about the course is it takes all these bible phrases even some of the ones that I I used to say oh my god it's the worst how can you how can you deal with that Jesus you know uh there was a line in the bible that said uh vengeance is mine saith the Lord I thought oh man how do you deal with that one Jesus says oh it's easily reinterpreted if you think of the Holy Spirit saying to your mind vengeance is mine give it give it back to me saith the Lord in other words that that concept does not belong in your holy mind give it to me watch how I shine it away vengeance is mine saith the Lord translation for vengeance they want to know I don't know there we go thank you Calvin but that's that's it that can be re-translated then we can anything can be re-translated right isn't that beautiful yes yeah I love it that God loves us so much that everything is open to re-translation I don't have said anything but now it's coming up you know I was always atheist take me so long take me some time to to love God and Jesus that's thank you for that that's wonderful there was still there was something but I'm so I love God I love Jesus I love I love human being I love I love love yeah yeah I feel it I feel it it's so precious we have uh in the United States we have a insolic city uh it's the Mormon church and the Mormon missionaries that go all over the world and so I like to go to temple square where there's hundreds of them walking all over the place and to meet them and I met one young missionary she came up to me and she goes I'm I'm in love with Jesus I said I know exactly what you mean and we we have such fun together you know joining because it's we can join in the presence of that love and we don't have to try to pick apart theologies and you know all those old things it's too complicated yes yes thank you thank you yeah yesterday when um you said about coming up here that was an option I felt just right away it was a yes but then my um ego kicked in and said you are not going up there and the fear just like pumping through my body so I said um yeah I don't even know why I need to come up here so I said if I'm gonna come up here you're gonna have to make it easy for me so the best thing would be if I could sit in the front row because there'd be no blocks and if there's people then I might get frightened of coming up and when I walked into the room I was told this chair is for you over there so I knew I love that how it works clearing away the pathway whatever we need so I knew you've got to get your ass up there and it's um this total fear of being exposed and I knew that this was going to be recorded and that was the part of it it's like while this is going out you do not want to be heard this fear of just stay out of the way as much as possible and so really I'm just facing that fear I think from last night it was just having the courage to to keep stepping forward and to keep doing that so as I'm here it's starting to just dissipate wow that's it that's a testimony to just do not hiding it and then just eases away it's only the protecting that makes it seem strong and it's only the sometimes the anticipation that is a time thing that makes it seem like such a big block and then when we move forward with what we're prompted to do or guided it's just like very easy soft yeah and sometimes we have to do that over and over hundreds of times we may say okay I'm a slow learner but I'll do it I'll try we just keeps happening happening yeah yeah that's what it feels like it feels like I have these ideas about myself like you're unworthy why do you want to go up there who know how do you think you are to take up the space and so these kind of like messages come in but I'm not prepared to listen to them anymore and it takes a lot just to keep just to keep going as you said it just starts to ease and I know that that eases me so I can't hold back anymore and this was just the opportunity not to hold back anymore I have to say too you you came all the way across from England to to Utah and when you showed up there at Camus it happens to us periodically but every once in a while someone is sent to us by Jesus that just is so open and so transparent and you came with such openness and such transparency that it just ignited a spark in the community with you coming and and also you had such a willingness and an eagerness you know like a puppy dog eagerness like a little tail wagging like I'm here I'm here for expression sessions I'm here to take advantage of every single second and that that sparks everyone that sparks everyone even people that have been there living there for years you know they all felt it like like fear dropped Kenneth and it just stirred things up because you were like saying well no private thoughts okay here let's go and full steam ahead you know so you know sometimes you don't even see I think the blessing that that's you bring you bring a huge blessing and sometimes ego will try to make you try to forget that it always does that we had with these amazing heart openings and miracle experiences that it tries to do the amnesia thing like in the movie dark city sleep just wants to sleep go back to sleep forget forget and yet I think honestly if we all looked at it we could say honestly we've had some amazing miracles in our life and the egos just try to brush them under the rug and dismiss them but sometimes I think that's why it's good to do like photo albums and collages and things like that because it's we we go through those we and those memories come rushing back I've had this thing where over the years I'd love to take a during a closing circle I'll take my iPhone my camera around the circle and all these beaming glowing faces at the end of the retreat and people tell me that when I put those on Facebook they just get high watching them they're just like whoa all those faces and all that joy beaming just after we've gone through this experience and we do need reminders we need we need lots of reminders that's that's part of how it goes on this journey and that's part of our gift that we offer so when I look at you that's what I see I see you you brought a big gift and it seems like every few years we had a strawberry festival too we had a man who came down uh it was part of this big circle down there a few years ago and and he was the same way he just he was so like a puppy dog showing up let's practice this no private thoughts and and no people pleasing and and again everybody was really refreshed everybody was like oh yeah that's a reminder of the of the why we're all here you know we're doing this together so thank you I want to thank you for your willingness and once again today we're going to try to stop you and say yesterday no way are you going there oh yes oh yes yeah thank you David it's like the last time what we met and I said like I wanted must speak to Lisa and I wanted to meet meet with you before I left when I came and saw you like the whole thing just started shaking as I was looking at you and you were just talking to me I can't remember the whole conversation but you just said to me oh and I was leaving expect miracles and when I walked out that door for like a whole month it was just absolutely mental and there was I was doing nothing but every encounter was just loving and people were I didn't have to do anything and it was just all happening constantly the whole time and so I am so so grateful and to you and what you demonstrate and to me like I find it very very difficult to trust but I do trust you about trusting and guidance I know that this can be tailored to every unique situation and I seem to experience a kind of I put it in an involuntarily from which there is no return spent last three and a half years unwinding not through the course the first few years I came from a job I had the chance to choose my freedom from being in a job that I didn't like at all I didn't waste a moment to choose and jump into the deep not knowing what was coming then the first one and a half years there was only one mantra I have to do something I have to do something because I have to take care of me if I don't do it who will but by the idea of searching for another job I felt sick I couldn't put it up I did the least thing I eat what which was mandatory to get some support from government here in Holland when that was over and in meantime I tried some things to start a practice I spend many time and money for that for living from my heart but being in practice to support people in finding who we truly are I even flew to the United States oh hi California for a three-day retreat on that many people got an answer what they had to do and I got a very clear answer it was be my love but I got angry because what do you mean be my love I need to do something because I need I have to take care of me I cannot live off me be your love come on and there's two years ago now and somehow although I feel fear there seems to be kind of awareness around me I cannot describe it so clearly that I feel paralyzed to do anything that represents a kind of activity into the world and I instructed how the spirit you have to guide me specifically with an impulse or a knowing or deep feeling if I have to do something to apply for social welfare whatever I need to know it if I do not get any clear impulse whatever I won't do a thing and in my experience it has not come and now the trust is really really there that I have to because I mentioned it at the beginning of the retreat this month a few bills will not get paid my mortgage will not get paid this month so my question on my little doubtful thing is could it be that I am although I feel fear every now and then but also a kind of rejoicing about this situation which normally would scare the hell out of me three years ago for example or even a year ago could it be that the guidance is somehow forced upon me in a way in spite of my little self there seems to be a kind of push that I seem paralyzed to do whatever would be logical or necessary or whatever to maintain a living or to make a living so this is my my wondering if I'm listening correctly or am I mixing things up here okay well thank you for pouring that out I mentioned yesterday there's a booklet that Jesus dictated to Helen Shuckman called the Song of Prayer and in the Song of Prayer Jesus has the most astounding line it's the most astounding line I remember when I first read it I just I had to stop and it stopped me in my tracks because the whole pamphlet is on prayer and the sentence starts the secret of true prayer so I knew that this is going to be extremely important whatever he was going to say he starts it off in the Song of Prayer the secret of true prayer is to forget the things you think you need that contradicts everything that any one of us has ever been programmed with that one line goes opposite of everything but he goes on to explain that line he says when you let it go when you forget it you let it go to the Holy Spirit in other words the things that you think you need part of that past conditioning programming and part of being human actually it's a very practical part of being human when you let it go to the Holy Spirit it is your offering it is your gift to the Holy Spirit so that really turns things around if if my beliefs and my needs that I've struggled with and been so challenged by tormented even though I'll say tormented by can be offered as gifts to the Holy Spirit that the Holy Spirit will receive them as gifts that is taking one giant leap into trust I mean that to me when I read that I went whoa that's a step into faith and for me that seemed to be a stretch of five years where I had to just put that into play where I I didn't seem to have a place to live I didn't seem to have any kind of regular income I didn't have any kind of organizational support I had no savings and nothing in the way of visible support as the ego would judge it and yet I was told to travel which at the time I mean I had thoughts that this is very impractical if I had some support coming in or if I had savings and travel would be a practical thing but this I had judgments that Jesus was being very impractical and he kept to show me he said no no I actually this is essential for what will come in your life as a miracle worker as he there's a part in the course also that it's been nicknamed the promise just like the bible has its passages but the promise passage of the course it's like Jesus is saying in case you missed my lilies of the field speech 2000 years ago which was quite poetic poetic he says once you have accepted his plan as the one function you would fulfill there will be nothing else the holy spirit will not arrange for you without your effort he will go before you making straight your path and leaving in your way no stones to trip on and no obstacles to bar your way and he goes on because that enough knows more not one seeming difficulty but will melt away before you reach it you need take thought for nothing except the only function you would fulfill now that song of prayer sentence the secret of true prayers to forget the things you think you need and that promise section if you put them together you put throw in some lilies of the field it's pretty clear that he's saying I'm in charge of the plan and I will take care of you as you perceive yourself for as long as you perceive you have needs I will meet those needs the thing is our past conditioning we see only a limited number of ways that that can occur you know we don't see the miracle we we say well it's gonna have to come there there there there I'm in I'm messed up if it doesn't come from one of those areas and the ego my of course is talking to me well you are getting into that now so the stone is still not unturned in a way my ego is complaining now Holy Spirit if you are there for me am I doing something wrong because or is it for me to trust still in this happening now seem seemingly seemingly disaster or whatever do you want me to trust in this because it's easy when it's already fixed before money is running out and then it's already replaced it's easy to trust but now it comes down to do I still trust as the situation seems to unfold and I don't know what is ahead and I so my but because I do not hear it the way you do the Holy Spirit is not guiding me so so specifically it's more about this feeling that I have inside I notice the peace inside me not panicking and the somehow awareness of being in this kind of breathing channel there's no way back it's all kind of vague vague yeah well it's good to come back to the idea that that it's the Holy Spirit's function to convince the mind in other words once we start to take on we feel like it's our responsibility to convince ourselves or be convinced and it's like usurping is taking the Holy Spirit's function that's part of why when I came here that I had Jenny and Francis and Helen come along because they have been right where you're talking about and it's taken a little bit different forms in each case but but it's the same sense of developing the trust in other words the trust can only be strengthened when it seems like you're you're reaching a point where you you're looking around and you're saying where's my support and then up underneath you comes strong support and I know that I've shared it for years and Francis and her talks and Jenny and Helen and Fox it's been a huge part of sharing the parallels of one thing coming up after another whether it's a road trip whether it's involving like Jenny with her her son Victor or debts that she's had uh with Francis you know she had her own business and and houses and and all the things that the world says are those symbols of safety and security and yet the call came in very strong was to let them go let go of those symbols and then again let the spirit of love come up underneath it's almost like inviting the spirit to saying show me show me the way coming as a little child you know little children are amazing to watch because they put their hand up at time and they they're asking to be led but they they have their hand up and developing the ego and developing all this conditioning and programming it's it's really developing this sense of I personally need to take care of myself we know in this world that there's one extreme of of being dependent and feeling dependent on another person on parents on the government on social handouts on something and it doesn't feel good to feel dependent on something that you perceive as outside yourself because there's a fear that that will go to the hand that is offering it will be withdrawn and there'll be desolation there'll be you know great need and destruction and so on and so and then the flip side which is not always seemed to be the ego is this belief that I personally have the skills and abilities to take care of myself this is heavily reinforced as as mature functioning adult citizen you know that's what the role is and when you play that out you get a lot of kudos a lot of praises oh something very well you can hear parents oh my child went to university for these years and has these degrees now they're practicing in this enormous house lots of children lots of children educate them two or three degrees I know it's track phd's and you know this and this there's a lot of pride but the pride is in the autonomy of being able to personally take care of the self and that's heavily reinforced as good good good great super and yet when you go on a spiritual journey mother Teresa had to let go of it st. Francis had to let go of it st. Teresa the little flower had to let go of it if you go back through history the ones that have gone more to the communion experience east and west yoga nanda Ramana Maharshi you could go pick your saint pick your avatar everyone has had to go of letting go of this control mechanism of I know enough from my past learning to take care of myself thank you God very much but I got I'm succeeding and then that that construct of the man it grows older with time and then it's got to face things the ravages of time like a body breaking down you know body starts to break down I've got good health insurance Jesus stay away the best health insurance I can hire the best radiologist for cancer and I've got I've got a life insurance policy I'm not gonna let down my survivors I've got a life insurance policy it's a big one don't think I'll feel any guilt when I die because my survivors are gonna live a great life on my my life insurance policy well if you stop for a minute wait a minute what is health insurance but a bet that you will get sick you're plunking down money every month or every so often with a bet that you will get sick the only way that you collect on the bed if you get sick otherwise you're just paying for everybody else but no you have to get sick if you collect on the bed if you don't get sick you lose the bet and all the other ones that got sick they get the benefits it's crazy and that's just for health insurance that was life insurance that's a bet that you're gonna die and you don't collect on the bed unless you got to collect to win the bet that's insane that's absolutely insane it's absurd it's absurd the laws of this world it's backwards and upside down and so if we come to the point we say ah that's where the fear is coming up is the ego is still wanting to assert its pride and autonomy and i can do this better than you can god except the mind that thinks it's separate and autonomous is like a closed situation it's not going to move at all and without help it needs needs divine intervention it needs help in the in the most sincere way and so you know to me that's part of why i've come with with francis and jenny and helen because they've had to face exactly what you're talking about in their own forms in their own ways and it's it's put trust to the test it's definitely put trust to the test because if it's never tested and you just think if my money runs out if my savings run out then i could sell this this this but if and then what if you know it's like the ego is always like working away to see how can i stay ahead of the game but it's perpetuating the game by trying to stay ahead of the game you know people say that how much life insurance is enough how much health insurance is enough how much savings is enough you know these kind of questions the ego likes because it's got you there are even support groups where where millionaires have come to the support group because they have such a fear of losing their wealth it's absurd for millionaires to come to support groups and and speak up you know and share their fears about losing their wealth they got invested here here but the market's unstable francis had one of her business was a financial planner and so i said to francis one time what do you think about the stock market she says it's totally crazy it's totally insane if that's coming from a financial planner then we can start to go why where am i investing my time my effort my my money that's a good question what am i putting it towards how will this help my peace of mind that's a good question but once we start to get into the game of scarcity and trying to cover your bases and everything just seems to get more and more stressful as we go round and around that's interesting what you're mentioning now because i'm here i could pay this stay here because my mother offered it to me and then i could not decline because i felt the the urgency for me but then she also got sad because she knows about my situation and she can come along with me although she's 90 years old and physically getting less but her mind can be very sharp and it was yeah it's nice to tell how spirit might work because i was doubting whether i or not i should go because my money was running out already gone more or less and then she said well you know where to find my wallet to pay for it and then i said well mom i need to know 100 sure that i have to go otherwise i would not spend the money and i was doubting doubting doubting a few weeks weeks later i told her well i'm still not sure if i have to go or not and then she replied in a way that's not her way she said you have to go you should not miss this opportunity you need to go there and her only her own way of speaking is well david is coming so close don't you think it would be good for you to go there you know it's maybe it's better but now you have to go okay so i knew this was a very clear sign from the only spirit there is no choice you have to so then i was convinced and crying as okay that's clear and and then she offered a few weeks later she felt sad because she saw my position of running out of this money and she said well i feel so bad because i have it in store and you can use my money because then you will remain out of trouble and don't you think it's better that when i have it and i'm old it's not so much but i could go on for a few more months shall i don't you think you should take it for me and then i then i could feel clearly now i should not do that because this is a repair temporary repair but it's also one i'd still this postponement of trusting that some kind of solution will come up i don't think that this is the solution that that is it could be a solution sent from holy spirit to get me going for a while she was she was even wondering if she was used she was used she was wondering she told me well is it not that i'm used to now holy spirit is using me to tell to give you this offer and but i declined i declined yeah part of part of what it does too is is it starts to bring us to to go more inward like mary was talking about the aboriginals and the native indians and everything part of their process is has always been looking within and examining the mind because we've come from a position where the definition of a need and the definition of a want gets blurred the ego can just go on and on i need i need i want i want i want more i want more i want more that's that's basically a synonym for the ego is more uh jesus says in the beyond all idle section what is an idol do you think you know an idol is for something more it does not matter more of what so we could rename the ego more give me give me give me give me more more more it's like a bottomless pit it just it's sacrifice it's scarcity it's needing and wanting and then when we look at needs at times that's where the spirit's coming in to say as you perceive yourself let me help meet your needs because we have to build trust and eliminate fear and so that's where the trust comes in of like of offering up the prayer and not being a judge of the form in which the need is is met that's where the pride comes in is when the pride rears up sometimes and says like i couldn't do this i couldn't do that you know and then we have people like of the aborigines and so forth that that seem to live out in nature and it reminds us more and more their lives are more like the sparrows or the bird keep your eye on the sparrow the lilies of the field look at the the birds of the air you know they how they survive and in st francis was always looking at nature and the birds seeing they needed a few berries a day and they were off singing all day long sing sing sing sing a couple berries sing sing sing you know they're not thinking about life insurance health insurance how am i gonna repair my house and wow the eating you know there's a couple berries and off singing all day long you know that st francis was good to point that out like look at them look at the birds look at the birds uh some of the people okay they're practical i like that very okay um


We have got four fantastic games on tap for this weekend. It is the NFL's divisional round We're gonna break down all four games and let you know where we are seeing value any of those games over at Fandall sportsbook by bringing on Ryan Williams and getting his read on this week's games This is covering the spread right here on the Fandall podcast network and number fire calm My name is Jim Stonis. I am a senior writer and analyst for number fire.com joined here as mentioned by Ryan on Twitter at Ryan Alexander underscore W Ryan We are on to the divisional round for pretty fun games on tap for this weekend. How you doing today? I'm good I'm good So we're trying to get through it. It's just we're having a lot of fun here getting geared up for the divisional round so I'm excited to get after it with you and Hopefully get a better card than I had for a wild card weekend It wasn't that bad though, honestly, like, you know, you had some good hits in there You know, I think there were some things that worked against you. That's that, you know things I was in the box as well. So that obviously was not a super fun ride But I think overall it could have been a lot worse and I think that this week Honestly for me, I don't have a lot on this card So I wanted to pick your brain to get your read on what is actually good across this slate So I've only got a couple bets play so far I'm pretty likely to keep it that way not forcing stuff in where there's not actually values I'm gonna pick your brain Ryan get your read on this slate and let hopefully up the listeners know Where some good bets can be found for it this weekend before we dig into these games Oh want to remind you to make sure you are subscribed to the covering the spread podcast feed wherever you get your podcast Because we post these shows and sometimes numbers move like recorded the Tuesday divisional round first look and The Bengals bills total moved down like two points like almost right away So we want to make sure you get these shows right as they're posted to do that Make sure you are subscribed to covering the spread wherever you get your podcast also check us out over on the fan Duel YouTube page subscribe both those places get these shows as they go live get your vets in and While you're there if you like what you hear leave us a rating review as well on the DFS side of things the NFL Saturday million is now live on fendal put your NFL knowledge to the test and create your best nine a player roster while staying under the salary cap Then use fendal's live the scoring feature You can follow along as you compete for your share of one million dollars in prizes with first place taking them $200,000 all for just a five dollar entry fee Saturday is coming quickly side of fendal calm and then sure lot of today eligibility restrictions apply go to fendal calm or download the fendal app for more Details now before we dig into the actual games this week Ryan I want to talk to you about the chiefs and the Eagles coming off their buys this week and Other teams haven't had buys in a pretty long time So how much does how much of a bump do those two teams get coming off a buy entering the divisional round? Oh Huge huge bump Jim they get a huge bump B and there's a reason why there's only one team per conference now That gets to have this buy right is because it is so wanted and you know Just having that home playoff game whether you're able to you know Kind of get rest because you kind of know you're in that position Having the one seed for a little bit so week 18 is kind of a little bit different Especially for a team like the Eagles right the Eagles have been able to get a little bit healthy I know we struggled towards the end of the season But now you know you've had that buy And you know are playing a team technically on short rest because the Giants played on Sunday night or Sunday, you know later on so Absolutely, you know love that for for them and then the chiefs You know the biggest thing about the chiefs is like Andy Reid off of a buy right so like them coming out and being able to host In the divisional round not playing in the wild card like that's been money for them In you know that Andy Reid and Patrick Mahomes tenure together And with them, you know as well just kind of being able to recharge the batteries and gear up for for this game So, you know, it's there's a reason why you know, these one seeds are pretty successful overall when they when they get this by going into the divisional round and I think both of them are in a position to to move on to the next round You mentioned the Andy Reid off a buy thing which I always find fascinating because he seems almost a little bit too Galaxy brainy you think that he might outthink himself if he had too much time Like that's always been my impression because like you watch the chiefs in the red zone It is the most galaxy brain nonsense. You've ever seen it and it usually works But like I feel like for him It's almost counterintuitive how good they are off a box You think like okay a little bit too much time for Andy to get is to get his schemes cooking and they might go a little bit But as you said, they've been very good and they've got the rest both those teams pretty healthy for the most part Obviously seems like Mikkel Harvins probably gonna set for the cheese, but Getting sky more back for this week defense looks healthy Eagles get you on hurts next week And I think those things do matter quite a bit Let's start things off here by talking about that Andy Reid team and talk about the Jaguars at the cheese The cheese are eight and a half point favorites here total is 52 and a half We've seen the Jag surprise a lot of times this year in the second half of the season Can they keep it rolling and cover eight and a half points against the cheese? I Think that they can You're looking at you know coach Doug Peterson, man You know what why have we done what we didn't doubt him Jim? But I mean why do you even doubt him when the team went down because now we're looking at you know This this guy has an amazing postseason against the spread record He's six and no against the spread as an underdog in the postseason, which is absolutely incredible obviously that Philly run You know contributes itself to that and then you have a chief's team where I think they are able to handle business at home and Obviously, you know Vegas is like we think that too. That's why We see this the money line where it is and the Jaguars we take by the money line It's plus 380 but they've had the worst against the spread record all season in the AFC They're 5 11 and one The record to cover and we know that the Jaguars played there Already and they were able to push at 10 This is eight and a half, but we know that you know things get different in the postseason I mean the stops are gonna be out They're gonna be trying everything that they can do, you know, maybe Doug Peterson gambles a little bit Is able to go for it, you know instead of letting Riley Patterson come out and kick field goals Lawrence, I think, you know, he couldn't have a worse game In his first playoff stint. So now I mean, yes, he's traveling into Arrowhead tough place to play But I mean if there's any adversity that you could overcome it was last week So I think that these this team goes in there and just plays loose and that's the scariest thing for a Kansas City Chiefs team is like somebody who's out there and just willing to lose and you know This really becomes coaching matchups I think that you got, you know, one of the best matchups on the slate with Peterson going against Andy Reid So I'm willing to just lay that Get the eight and a half there at minus 105 on the Fandalsports book that seems amazing Jim maybe have a read on wanting to take the Jaguars at plus 380 and I would love that if you did Well, yeah, you read my mind. I haven't done it yet. Um, I Do show value though right now This is the implied odds of plus 380 or 20 point 83 percent My model gives the Jags a 23 point nine five percent chance to win this game Which does cross my threshold where I would bet it. I have not because I'm a scaredy cat We talked about this before but my model has shown value in the Jags money line ten separate times this year They are nine and one straight up in those games So they have cashed the money line in nine of those games, but one loss was against the chiefs I it was plus 360 at the time in that game I think it closed at four to one and they didn't lose as you mentioned by ten. So It's a revenge game for the model against the chiefs. We can say that I've not taken it yet because Hey, the chiefs to have had their buy. That's that's an important thing at this point in the year Maybe they get extra bump with the rest may be mattering more at this point in the year I think we could see them put their foot on the gas more than they have throughout the season Because they we've talked about before they kind of play with their food a bit and they won't be doing that here and also I think they're kind of a bad matchup for the Jags in that They're gonna feel to throw the football on them And that's a concern and I also think in areas Tony's gonna get like full Tony roll in this game So I haven't taken it yet Ryan, but I have my like a finger on the button I haven't a value where I would take it. I if it were to get to like four to one on Saturday morning I Have a really hard time saying no But it is in my value threshold now. So the odds I wind up taking it by Saturday are decently high. I haven't done it yet though and I want to be transparent in that so Not there yet, but I'm very close and I would also say I'd rather personally go with the money line over the spread in this one Because I could see the cheese Lay in the hammer. I could see a 20-point win in this game things things snowballing and It's a volatile Handicap in that regard. So I'd rather go with the higher upside market in the Jags money line versus the spread I think the eight and a half is a big number and you're getting a lot of leeway by taking the eight and a half I Think I just I see a lot of scenarios in which the cheese just blow them out and that's why I'd rather go with the The option that rewards me more if I'm right in that this game remains close I think that's the way I viewed at least personally. Yeah No, and I mean listen, you know, this I Hate to put it in this slide, but I am this game has whatever year that was Chiefs Texans vibes to me 24 nothing. Okay. So yeah, yeah We get the I take the Jags plus 380 wait till they're 24 nothing and then bet the cheese money line Which by that point will probably like minus 110 given the way sports books tend to handle Chiefs live lines. I think they'll be minus 110 if they're dead 24 nothing. Absolutely. Although crazy money could be coming in Yeah, the sharks will bet the chiefs But I think casuals who are watching like crazy money will start to come in on the Jags money line Just as much as they're getting up on the chiefs because people always just like oh my gosh Can this be the time that the chiefs lose, right? Take the Jags now and then take the cheese when it's 24 nothing Jags are up, right? I think that makes a lot of sense. Okay. Let's move now to the Saturday night game That's the Giants at the Eagles Eagles here seven and a half point favorites total is 48 and a half and We can toss that week 18 for these two teams I think not a lot to learn there because it was Davis web starting for the Giants But the first regular season game the Eagles offense when scorched her they were pretty pass heavy in the first half Second half. It was a miles Sanders track me basically Can the Giants keep them keep them in check here and cover again a a spread of more than the touchdown? This is one that I've battled with So far on my card. I really I think at the end of the day I'm going to end up taking the Eagles Minus seven and a half here. They smack this team earlier on in the season 48 to 22 As road favorites and then you know when they kind of played them later on in the season There were things that were kind of banged up and you know, the game just wasn't from a full strength standpoint I think with the given the buy Given how Siriani has coached these guys all year given, you know, kind of what the Eagles have done all year leading up to this point I know they kind of struggled towards the end as we were talking about earlier But they were dealing with some injuries and they were you know, it hurts not playing is the key one often to line Not being healthy the second one And I think you know, they they definitely got a lot to prove I mean hurts especially, you know coming into this year I think it would be you know remiss that he just kind of Layed an egg and when it wasn't able to handle business here with them doing everything they do to get the one seat I mean MVP running you're talking about there The thing about the Giants though is that they you know are writing this five game against the spread streak that they've been on They're kind of you know hitting the strides at the right time, but it's it's still to me just Can Daniel Jones do it? I mean, you know, it was one thing to handle business in Minnesota Which you know, I took the three there It was a trap but the way that that defense had been playing all year You know, especially how easily things came to them, especially for Daniel Jones on the run Like knowing that they just had that situation and now have to face against a divisional opponent Like maybe this gets a little bit uglier for them I know that you know, it always feels like a lot when we're talking about you know This time of the season and in playoffs, but I think if there's any team that can if there's one team that can do it in NFC, it's the number one seed. They're having a home playoff game. Yeah I think that the Eagles are a team you can feel good about as heavy favorites in large part because you know If they get a lead they can close it out because of how good the rushing offense is aided by Jill and Hertz and I think that that's a lot of what we saw in that first matchup Second matchup as you mentioned Hertz coming off the shoulder injury Lane Johnson didn't play Lane Johnson expected to go Not be a hundred percent this week, but still go in this one at right tackle And he's a big difference maker on that team the one market. I have the most interested here in is the total I have this at forty nine point two so at forty eight and a half not quite there yet But it is minus one fifteen on the under right now, which implies we could see this inch down if it gets down to Forty eight out of interest forty seven and a half I'd have a bit more interest if it gets to forty seven somehow. I don't think it will that's that's a lot of movement at this point in the year, but We've seen some like day of spread movement that are in total movement Isn't pretty big if it hits forty seven and I can get a push on a key number of forty seven I would take that so I will have a close eye on the total in this game I think that the Eagles offense will score points I think the Giants very well could and that to me is a good blend to potentially get an over So as of now, I'm seeing nothing in this game, but I do want to keep a close eye on the total here It isn't come down yet. I've been having my on this one since Tuesday, but it hasn't moved yet So I doubt we get there, but it is the market I am most likely to bet in this game My numbers of the Eagles by six point seven or seven point two points depending the model So I'll stay away from the spread, but I think that I agree their thought process on If the Eagles get a lead they can maintain I also think that they're passing offense to good enough to make up a deficit if they were to climb their Climb the way into a hole. So I think that makes sense as well Let's go now to the Sunday games talk about the Bengals at the bills bills now five and a half point favorites total is 48 and a half and the reason the spread is five and a half is because the Bengals offensive line is Super banged up Ryan. Are they banged up enough to scare you out of betting the Bengals here? I mean, it doesn't feel great man, right? Like left tackle Jonah Williams, uh, Alex Kappa right tackle Lyle Collins like I mean, that's tough that that is tough I think the the biggest thing And and maybe this changes right when when these two teams meet up is that the the bills have a hard time getting pressure on the quarterback And that's nothing that's the eye test That's nothing, you know, I'm not looking at numbers in relation to it But, you know, just seeing these seeing these games and they've had a lot of island games this year That's that's just not what their defense is. I you know, you love everything that the secondary can do And they're kind of just they're just good in between the 20s Like, you know, not really kind of giving up those those necessarily big plays but definitely, you know Hunkering down in the red zone defense, but I think, you know, Joe burrow probably has enough going for him on the offensive side You know, love to see T Higgins get going last week You know, Jamar chase is always going to get his that'll be a fun match up Considering what they do with tray white on the other side. Um, but you know, they they just been so good at covering All year in these situations. You're looking at, you know, a bingles team on the road That's actually six and three Outright and then seventy seven and two against the spread On the road this far this season. So I think if there's anybody that we can trust Um, to kind of keep the spread covered it's Joe burrow. You love that this this line Is kind of changed right over the course of time. You're looking at it now um at five and a half on the fandal sports book if i'm looking correctly and That feels like a pretty decent size number, you know, I think that Somewhere along the lines it might have been four at some point and that was kind of dicey Um, the other factor though, Jim, which I you know, I just haven't gotten to that point Yet is that the fact that this is a rematch from that week seventeen match up Our motions high a little bit in in this game at least a start. Um, and that could you know, I'm not sure Does that affect the bills more? Does that affect the bingles more? You know, you love that the bills are going to be at home and Everything that's going on with them, but they they've struggled, you know, when you're talking about, you know Covering spreads, but they're usually not in the four or five range So I don't really have a read against this. I do like taking The over here. I just think that these are two teams that just want to put up points in 48 and a half You know seems reasonable. I hasn't gotten to 50 yet Which you would normally think that you would see considering these two offenses there Where things could happen, but you know, I that's that's kind of my read at this point in time I would probably take the bingles plus five and a half, but You know, if it was any lower than that, I might consider taking the bills Yeah, uh with the total it was 50 and a half on Tuesday then shot down because the weather looked bad. Um at the time There were 14 mile per hour winds. Those are down to four now So I took under 50 and a half and now I'm like, uh, oh, we're getting pretty close to my numbers are Add valued 48 and a half. So I'm like, did I did I make a bad bet based on a bad forecast on a Tuesday? oops, um, it's still I do think that Under 15 and a half that were still available. I don't think that'd be a bad bet, but I think over 48 and a half I understand the fell process there for you You were talking about the bills pass rush, especially since the von miller injury They were early in the year able to get pressure While rushing only four. That's why they were able to just torch the Uh, the rams in week one is because they didn't need to blitz and they were generating pressure But if you look at the games, uh, since von miller got hurt von miller got hurt on Thanksgiving against uh against Detroit Their pass defense has still been good, but it hasn't been great.  So that aspect of it I'd expect to remain intact and that that's a good thing for sure, but I agree their defense has taken a hit recently and that's part of why I'm here, but also I kind of think the bengal's offense is better when they're fully healthy, which they're not right now But I think the the thing that encourages me, which is why I like the bengals plus five and a half is You look at their games this year How many games do they have where they were fully healthy where they had lau collins where they had alex kappa jono Williams jamar chase t higgins It's not a big sample They've been playing banged up for most this year and they've still been A disgustingly efficient offense So I have a downgrade for jono williams in my model and I sell the bills by 1.8 in my good model and 3.1 in my alternate model. So Yeah either way it says there's value on the bangles here and Five and a half is a lot. I prefer the money line again because if I'm gonna be right or I'd be really right It's two to one right now plus 200 for the bangles, but I would also take the spread here So with the jags it was only money line no spread here I would take I'd be willing to take either because I think the bangles if they fall down can claw the right back And I don't have a lot of faith in the bills ability to Run the ball effectively and drain clock Kill this game if they get a big lead. So that's why I think Bill or bangles plus five and a half bangles money line both those still Good values to me despite the fact the market has disagreed so far this week Yeah I like where your head's at. Um, you know, they we keep doubting Burrow and we using it as a universal stand and you know, here they are right again Just trying to you know, get to the a of c championship. I mean, it's actually incredible What they've been able to do despite all the things that have been going on with this team So, you know, uh One more time. This is this is obviously I think the the marquee matchup on the slate Both from, you know, a casual perspective and a fan perspective just with everything That this game means so I think that this is just a fun one to just kind of sit back and relax and take in But yeah, I do I do like the over the most in this game Yeah, couldn't agree more this game is most most exciting game of the weekend Let's move now to the sunday night game talk about the cowboys at the 49ers 49ers are three and a half point favorites here total is 45 and a half and I talked about this on tuesday and I was like, okay Um, you know, I think if we were to see this one move towards the 49ers if it can extend more I could see myself buying into the cowboys, but instead the market moved in favor of the cowboys It went from minus four to minus three back to three and a half again. So People have faith in the cowboys. I'm surprised by that personally. I think it's correct I I'm surprised by it, but I do think it's um I do think it's the correct way I've got this right between four and three at a 4.2 for one model 3.1 for the other so I'm not seeing much here anything for you ryan sitting out in this game Yeah, I mean you you're looking at it just with the percent of the bets 66 percent of the bets are coming in on the 49ers 30 34 on the cowboys But uh percent of the money uh 58 percent on the cowboys 42 percent on the 49ers Which means a lot of the sharps are are feeling that that uh cowboys side Of things and you know, I think while the line is correct. I mean, it just it just feels low to me. Um To be honest with you. I mean I I I get last week and I you know, I was on I was on tampa You know this the cowboys were able to win that first road playoff game since 93 So 20 or 30 years excuse me shout out to them But you know All the emotions I think you know going into that game and what that meant to even advance the next round And now you're seeing a matchup and jim dare dare. I say that like this 49ers team Which these teams just played last year Um in in the wild card around I believe but like that 49ers team this team might be better than that team I mean it probably they definitely are absolutely Right, right. I mean yes, they they are better. I mean look at the weapons that they have That they're able to throw in even with perty and the way that perty's been playing is absolutely just You know fantastic and this is a team where like, you know The thing that really helped the cowboys last week was the defense like being able to get You know get the offense off the field put the cowboys offense back on the field get them short fields The turnovers like those things and that that's just not how the 49ers are coached and play Like this is just going to be a grinded out game and for any reason like with that looking as impressive as he was last week Like do the 49ers just decide like hey, we're just going to elongate drives as much as we can time of possession Is key don't let that get the ball, you know against us and if he does we're going to make his life miserable But we're already going to look to put up, you know points on this team. I mean this team Before Brock perty came into the mix like this team was averaging like just over 20 points a game And now this team, you know, all they do is score 30 points for you know at nauseam And you know, that's that's tough for the cowboys because they really, you know Pride themselves on being able to outscore opponents from an offense and defensive standpoint So and also the you know, big elephant in the room with the cowboys team in general is like Are you going to be able to settle for field goals knowing what brett marg just went through Last week and I know they signed. Is it viscano? Um to the practice squad or tristan viscaino. I actually hadn't seen it, but I I love his name So I hope it's yeah and so, you know, maybe that helps but I think that's you know, that's a huge caveat and brett marg's been Money, you know, like everybody who's just watching the cowboys for the first time last week is like, oh Who's this guy? Who's this kicker? He should be, you know, he should be cut. They should leave him in Tampa It's like no brett marg's like one of the most accurate kickers like in yeah, he's good And it just you know, just one of those anomaly things I don't know how much it's gonna linger to them because we haven't seen this from him before But if the long story short if they're not able to get in a position where they're kicking Threes against this team and at least getting points on the scoreboard that is going to be Tough for the cowboy. So i'm willing to go 49ers here minus three and a half knowing its own playoff game I mean they got there on the flies. They're looking ahead They want they want to get filly, but you know, that's hasn't stopped them before to be able to handle business On the road there. So I think this is just an incredible Incredible match up and probably an incredible line to get the 49ers on if you if you are willing to you know, put your money there Yeah, I think I think it'll stick at three and a half based on the way it's moved so far I think we see it stick at three and a half right now I think the most interesting bet for me in this game is actually well over full prop show tomorrow But if you go to the rushing plus receiving market Christian mccaffrey's is at 105 and a half, which is a lot. That's a big number for running back It's a big number and I don't want to disregard that however In last week's game he had a 90% snap rate in the first half And wound up at 73.4. So like he was playing a lot of snaps If you look at the games from mccaffrey with a snap rate of at least, you know, two-thirds of snaps Here are his rushing plus receiving totals 149 146 153 138 58 193 136 And we're gonna put him down at 105.5 for this. I know it's big. I know it's big. We're betting on an outlier, but also I don't think it's big enough. Um I think that's an awesome bet mccaffrey over 105 and a half rushing plus receiving yards because I mean When they want to use this guy they use them aggressively I feel like they're gonna have to use them aggressively in this game The cowboys will be competitive here. So I don't really can serve can serve him I think we see get we see full mccaffrey and full mccaffrey typically is Almost like he's obliterating this number So to me, I think that's the best bet in this game is mccaffrey over 105 and a half rushing plus receiving yards I think that is a tremendous option. We'll talk again full profits tomorrow, but um I just feel like that's way too low for the way they've used him recently when they needed to Yeah, and you know There's a lot of conversation that's had in the community and for just the average fan about like running backs and like how Valuable they are or what you do like to me. This is I don't know what trade but like this is one of the biggest trades that a team has made Um on on, you know, they're they're road to be able to host the lombardi and in a long time I mean, this is absolutely a piece that just made sense for the differences go 49ers offense And just adds another dynamic piece and and we we see that right like when you when you surround The quarterback with weapons like and maybe you know, maybe it is a shanahan system quarterback thing where it's like It doesn't matter if it's lance or garoppolo or purdy Like we just have a system in place and you know, just give us a guy I don't want to slight anything that purdy's been doing because it has been incredible But you know, he he's going on he's going about it on an incredible run. So that is what it is but For me McCaffrey like what they gave up to be able to get this guy and how integral of a piece He's going to be For everyone that they have on this pro season run and has been Thus far it's just absolutely incredible and I think that it just shows value And when you have everything put in place like just to get that last piece and makes a ton of difference So, uh, yeah, I'm with you like that number definitely feels low But I mean if there's if there's any sense of a competitive game here like You know, Eli Mitchell is going to be involved. But like he this is christian mccaffrey show. Yeah, Eli Mitchell deserves to be involved So that would make sense there. I think that the With mccaffrey and like the running back value debate A running back has value if they improve your passing offense and he does so like I think that that's it can sometimes be overly simplified to say running backs don't matter It's like they do matter if they affect your passing offense and he does very clearly So I think that He's an actual piece. He's a weapon. He's not a running back. He's a weapon We've seen that throughout the course of this year. All right. That is all four games for this divisional round We have broken them down. I think that they're going to be a delight Again, not a lot on the board for me so far, but I'm okay with that Kind of now things go this time of year they tone a 500 just around the corner So I can I can rest peacefully, but I think it's a fun slate ryan any final thoughts for you before we close up shop for today No fun slate guys have had it have fun I think you know if you thought wild card weekend was was was fun and in a fun ride Just wait for the division around because there's going to be things that that happen here that are just going to be able to You know, put it put us put us upside down there and make us do a 180 what just happened So, uh, this is one of my this is the fun fun week for me I'm excited to get after it get your bets in and uh, yeah, we'll catch you guys next time I can't handle a second wild card round I can my heart Ask for it to chill out a little bit. Let's just calm down a little bit. I don't I don't want any of that like Full duplicate, but um, that is ryan williams check him out on twitter at ryan alexander underscore w I'm on twitter at jim sonnis j i m s a n n e s I want to thank you all for tuning in for today back once again tomorrow with tom fecchio to break down His favorite props across wild card weekend. We'll talk to you then this has been covering the spread right here on the fan duel podcast network You