Thanks for being here everyone. It's great to be back. I was at AHS last year for the first time So I'm really excited to be back this year and have the opportunity to present topics so My talk of course is on nutrient sensing pathways to optimal health and resilience So my first question before I move on is who here has not heard of the topic of nutrient sensing? Quite a few of you okay So the goal of my talk is to kind of give you a broad overview of nutrient sensing and for those of you who have heard of nutrient sensing particularly in the Contextivity fasting etc Information to give you a broader sense of that and also I'm going to talk a lot about the microbiome and its role in nutrient sensing as well There's a lot of new information here So of course we we think of food as primarily sources of energy and building Body but then you also hear this term that's talked about a lot as for this phrase that food is information So when I first heard this particular term it kind of turned me off a little bit because it seemed very vague I didn't quite know what people meant by it other than sort of the intuitive sense that it's providing Some sort of information to the body and being a scientist or former scientist My question is always why is that what are the mechanisms behind that? So that really leads to the whole topic of nutrient sensing which is really key to understanding how food Building blocks informs the body in terms of its effects on health and disease But what are these nutrients sensing pathways and what does that term mean? So essentially nutrient sensing pathways are nutrient signaling pathways cell signaling pathways They detect nutrients from the diet Or products from the diet from these nutrients Involves receptors that can involve other components. So that's one of the key things Cell signaling pathway is some sort of receptor or sensor And then they relay these signals along cell signaling pathways to inform So that has to do with its effects on health and disease That's typically by modifying gene expression or enzyme activity and things like that So they're very specific pathways that are responding these two things are really key in terms of that information aspect because a lot of these Products produced from nutrients are actually activating these signaling pathways. So there's specific pathways specific And there they go by many names. There's different types. You'll see nutrient sensors energy sensors Metabolite sensors and even some of the taste receptors play a role in this Receptors bitter taste receptors in particular throughout the gastrointestinal tract All right, so the big question is why are these important? Why are we talking about them? several reasons so they have been linked to Changes in these signaling pathways have been linked to chronic diseases and in particular aging and longevity Then this is kind of a particular area of interest of mine because this is sort of an in-between layer between the nutrient sensing and how it affects health and disease is a lot of these effects are mediated through Interactions between the gut the immune system the brain and metabolism and you'll see this again and again coming up in some of These studies that I'm citing that they have effects particularly in these areas And so you'll hear a lot about the immune system being related to chronic diseases through inflammation The gut is central to so many diseases nervous system microbiome and they're all interconnected and Nutrient sensing is part of the way in which that's connected. I Just talked about the role of the microbiome and health and disease. So we will be focusing on that So this is a figure I like to use in some of the courses that I teach in other presentations So there's a sort of general idea that chronic disease results Of course from the interaction of the environment in particular diet and our genes and physiology It turns out that the microbiome plays a really critical role here because a lot of those dietary nutrients and dietary factors are Basically having an effect on the microbiome and then the microbiome in turn then produces things that affect our physiology So you really have to think about these two pathways now. It's not just food affecting our physiology directly It's food going through the microbiome as well and then affecting our physiology And again, as I mentioned, this is largely through these systems, although there's others involved as well as including adipose tissue muscle tissue, etc. And They're also really important Understanding them is important for understanding all these debates that are going on kind of the never-ending debates about Diet and macronutrient ratios and is high protein good as low protein good high fat what type of fat, etc And so a lot of that can kind of be distilled out by understanding these pathways So macronutrient ratios as I mentioned quantity and quality Understanding the effects of different fasting regimens And it's also relevant to precision and personalized nutrition Partly because of the effects of the role of the microbiome. We know that's very individualized Gene differences between individuals as well and of course differences in the environmental inputs All right, so I want to talk a little bit about the evolutionary context here So basically just kind of a quick definition of these nutrients and some pathways is that they're largely conserved pathways So they go way back evolutionarily even to bacteria and yeast to some extent that promote homeostatic adaptive responses to nutrient quality so type Quantity the amount as well as the variability over time To specifically promote survival and resilience under these varying conditions That's kind of released the title of promoting optimal health and resilience This is an overwhelming slide basically the only reason I'm showing it here is Really for two things. So one is to show you can see there's three boxes essentially So on the left is C. Elegans drosophila mouse And some of these other pathways even have been detected in yeast for example And you can see that the pathways it just sort of visually as you look through it There's a lot of similarities and they're almost identical in some ways So these some of these pathways are really well preserved Evolutionarily suggesting they have a critical role and it makes sense because they're helping the organism to Recognize the food that's coming in and how to respond to it And it basically just gives you kind of an example of a typical signaling pathway as well that typically starts Not always but often starts with receptors on the cell surface that are detecting what's in the extracellular space or coming from the blood And then basically transduces that signal all the way down into the nucleus to get this gene expression response That's kind of a typical pathway All right So there's a few studies that I wanted to highlight here as well And just some basic statements from them not really going to go in depth in the studies just to kind of give you a sense of some of these conclusions So this is a paper that was published just a few years ago by Mark Mattson So it's essentially kind of a review opinion paper summarizing some of these concepts Humans and their predecessors evolved in environments where they were challenged intermittently with food scarcity Accordingly cells and organ systems acquired and retained Molecular signaling and metabolic pathways. So there's this largely these nutrient sensing pathways Through which the environmental challenges enhance the functionality and resilience of cells and organisms One such adaptation is the metabolic shift from the use of glycogen stores in the liver Muscle cells to the mobilization of fatty acids in adipose cells and their conversion to ketones Which is a topic of the last talk in this room an Alternative cellular energy substrate another interesting adaptation suggests suggested by studies of animal models is that cognitive function and Stress resistance improve in response to intermittent fasting. So the general idea here. It's not really something that's proven Is that when food is scarce? If all of a sudden we had low energy and we weren't able to perform and our brains weren't functioning That would be a really a big challenge to finding food So evolution sort of selected for our ability to be able to function well Under these sort of extreme conditions so that we can continue to survive. That's kind of the general idea behind that Now I'm going to go through a few nutrient sensing examples just to give you an idea Some of these may be more familiar to you other ones are examples I want to present to kind of give you an idea that this topic is much broader So essentially for nutrient sensing we have types of sensors that can detect the energy mediators The key energy mediators including ATP and NAD Carbohydrates particularly in terms of glucose Acids from protein fatty acids as well as bile acids that are released in response to fat in the diet Biodineutrients turn out to be a really interesting category I'll go through some examples there where they can stimulate a variety of pathways that are actually activated by other factors Probably mediate a lot of the roles of fatty of phytonutrients in health Micronutrients, I'm actually not going to go through examples here just because it's a short talk There's some really interesting example that have been coming out about receptors that can detect things like zinc and B vitamins and then have responses And of course microbioma tablates, which we are going to talk a bit about The kind of a summary table on some of these energy sensing Pathways, so if you see on the left the column is sensor pathway And on the right is the nutrients from metabolites that they essentially detect and then respond to So we have AMPK, which is adenosine monophosphate kinase sirtuins basically they detect some of these energy mediators like the Relative to AMP ratios NAD plus as well as certain phytonutrients actually can I'll show some examples of that that can activate AMP The insulin IGF pathway, which primarily can detect indirectly through insulin levels of glucose Well as to some extent amino acids and then mTOR, which probably a lot of you have heard of as well Can detect primarily amino acids particularly leucine, but then also glucose these pathways are really highly interactive and sort of interconnected Which gives the body a lot more information in terms of inflexibility in terms of how to respond to these and then something that's relatively new In terms of another pathway that responds to amino acids in particular methionine levels Which is also relevant of course to the the whole methylation Transulfuration pathway So basically it's been shown recently that methionine restriction can mimic aspects of caloric restriction And that's largely through effects on this Transulfuration pathway and result resulting in a higher production of hydrogen sulfide which is usually thought of as a toxin But in this case physiologically can mediate the effects of caloric restriction on longevity There's a few more studies. I want to go through with regard to these energy mediators So this one's titled AMPK as a pro longevity target a number of dietary genetic and pharmacological interventions including dietary restriction and The drug by guanide metformin so many of you've heard of metformin is kind of a caloric restriction memetic Can extend healthy lifespan and reduce the incidence of multiple chronic diseases? Many of these interventions recurrently involve a core network of nutrient sensors So that's the point I just emphasize AMPK mammalian target of rapamycin or mTOR the insulin insulin like growth factor signaling pathway and the Sertuans so those are basically the ones I had in that table. This is reinforcing that they really highly interact another article on AMPK AMPK activation Protein potential for boosting health span AMPK activation is suspected to mediate some of the health protective effects of long-term calorie restriction Several drugs and nutraceuticals which slightly and safely impede the efficiency of mitochondrial ATP Generation most notably metformin which we just talked about and berberine an example of a phytochemical phytonutrient Can be employed as AMPK activators and hence may have potential as calorie restriction and medics for extending lifespan There's there's a lot of other studies that really gets interesting when it comes to metformin and berberine They also not only stimulate AMPK, but they have similar effects as well on the microbiome And there was a recent paper suggesting that at least some of the effects of metformin in relation to improving diabetes as well as in relation to lifespan and animal models Basically is through the microbiome as well But more about that This is just kind of a quick sort of set of studies I pulled from PubMed recently to give you lots of additional examples of phytonutrients Phytochemicals that have been shown to activate AMPK and have a variety of potential health effects mostly shown from animal studies So you can see the top rosmarinic acid from rosemary mediates mitochondrial Biogenesis and insulin resistant skeletal muscle through activation of AMPK The second one is strawberry consumption improves aging associated impairments mitochondrial biogenesis again functionality through AMPK Bicoline, which is a really interesting one that seems to have some very potent neuro protective effects polyphenols on and on so we see compounds from olive As well as quercetin polyphenol rich propolis extracts strengthen intestinal barrier by activating AMPK So again, there's kind of these connections between gut health these pathways immune system Abelism etc, and we'll see that it again throughout this talk All right, so let's talk a little bit about protein restriction So it's a little bit the opposite of the topic a couple days ago in Chris Masterjohn's talk about higher protein intakes So now we're looking at sort of the other end of the spectrum that a lot of studies have shown that the benefits of caloric restriction Are largely due to restriction of protein and in particular acids So they go on to say many of the effects of dietary restriction our link to amino acid and protein availability sense by these nutrient signaling pathways Protein restriction can have profound effects on health and longevity But excessive restriction is detrimental particularly in the very old. So again, we we have to be very careful It's not something that works for everyone in every condition Especially it's been shown in the elderly Investigation of the mechanisms that modulate nutrient sensing pathways is important to understand how regulation of protein intake can optimize health span and longevity. So this is really emphasizing the role of these nutrient sensing pathways in protein restriction The quick little study that emphasize they actually looked at the comparison So I mentioned there's the mTOR pathway that can sense amino acids that mostly responds to leucine Which is a branched chain amino acid and then there's an Sulfuration pathway that mostly responds to restricting methionine. So in this mouse study They compared those two pathways and they're restricting They wanted to see which one had sort of the greatest effect. So you can see here They say the effects of methionine restriction in rodents are well established It leads to decreased body fat and body fat mass improved glucose homeostasis and extended lifespan Despite increasing energy intake Leucine restriction replicates some but not all these effects in summary Leucine restriction is effective at improving metabolic health, but methionine restriction produces stronger effects Suggesting that that transulfuration pathways a little bit more important. So they're really kind of Pathways out quite a bit now A little bit more on the energy pathways. It takes two to tango NAD plus and sirtuins in aging longevity control The coupling of nicotinamide adenine di-nucleotide NAD plus breakdown of protein desolation Is a unique feature of the family proteins called sirtuins This intimate connection between NAD plus and sirtuins has an ancient origin And provides a mechanistic foundation that translates the regulation of energy Metabolism into aging and longevity control in diverse organisms. So effects longevity Just one more on the whole sort of energy regulation pathways So there of course been a number of studies on fasting because long-term caloric restriction Of course is harder to maintain even long-term protein restriction potentially is hard to maintain So many of you are probably already aware of something called fasting mimicking diets FMD And which is what they're looking at in this study here Bimonthly FMD cycles started at middle-age extended longevity Lowered visceral fat reduced cancer incidence and skin lesions Rejuvenated the immune system and retarded bone mineral density loss in old mice FMD cycles promoted hippocampal neurogenesis lowered IGF levels and pK activity Elevated neuro D1 and improved cognitive performance. So many many benefits across the board of this type of fasting And then they go on to say so that part of the study was looking in at these effects of mice This is looking at the effects in humans as well in a pilot clinical trial Three cycles decrease the risk factors biomarkers for aging and then they lose several Well, but the idea is that it's consistent with promoting health span in humans as well And I'm not going to really go in any depth on ketones But there are some links with the whole ketogenesis Aspect to this as well ketone bodies have been shown to also go act partly through signaling pathways Studies Not as recent as some new research that just came out this past week showing that Ketogenic diets in mice can extend longevity. So there's a lot of accumulating research again that Ketosis also kind of figures in the whole thing All right, so we really looked at the first Three or so of the different types of nutrients that can be sensed in this list So now I'm going to go through a few more examples of these other categories so there's a whole category of Sensors that are called G protein coupled receptors So I'm just going to talk a little bit about those because these are important for fat sensing for phytonutrient sensing and Sensing of the products from the microbiome So they say nutrition in the gut microbiome regulate many systems So right there is kind of summarizing one of my key points that again that it's nutrition and the gut microbiome that we need to take into account Including the immune metabolic and nervous systems I'm emphasizing that there's really these three systems that they affect in particular We propose that the host responds to Deficiency or sufficiency of dietary and bacterial metabolites in a dynamic way to optimize responses and survival The family of G protein coupled receptors term to meta metabolites sensing GPCRs Bind to various metabolites and transmit signals that are important for proper immune and metabolic functions I'm going to go into this one here But basically it's talking about there's a subset that respond to fatty acids So again that pertains to the debates about the effects of fats on our health We actually have these specific receptors for different types of fats. There's a set of receptors that respond to the long chain Fatty acids a set of receptors that respond to medium chain and Another set of receptors and some of them are kind of cross over a bit to the short chain fatty acids that are produces produced by the microbiome example of some of those receptors you can see just a short list here some of these Pregluceride metabolites as well as bile acids, so that's part of the picture when we're assessing the effects of fat on Health is the effects on bile acids as well You'll see that one listed last lithocolic acid is detected by a receptor called TGR 5 Another figure from a recent publication that kind of summarizes a couple aspects of diet In relation to things that are modified by the microbiome So at the top you see fiber on the left and in the second column are the metabolites So those are the short chain fatty acids Acetate propionate and butyrate the receptors that are known to interact with them and then the Physiological aspects and health aspects that are related to that Second group here is tryptophan tyrosine metabolites. So there's another way in which specific amino acids can affect our health through the microbiome Those have the whole tryptophan metabolism story is really really fascinating and be an hour plus lecture on itself But there's effects on the intestinal permeability and effects in relation to all kinds of aspects of health as well and This is an interesting study I just came across again kind of illustrating that phytonutrients can really play a role in activating a variety of different types of Receptors in this case all spice and clove as a source of triterpine acids activating the gpr receptor tgr5 That's one of the bile acid receptors. So interestingly enough And we know that that is a plays a critical role in metabolism as well as the immune system So yet Can affect our health Targeting gastrointestinal and nutrients sensing mechanisms to treat obesity Gut hormones have important roles in the regulation of appetite and glucose homeostasis Understanding how macronutrient sensing in the gastrointestinal tract modulates gut hormone release They reveal novel pharmacological or dietary approaches to metabolic So this is really emphasizing the role of the gut as an endocrine organ And of course microbiome is right there and we'll be talking about that in just a second But this is one of the reasons why the gut is so important For overall health is it sort of acts as a nutrient sensor in addition to everything? We're all on signaling to the brain What's coming in? Influenced satiety and energy expenditure, etc So this is bringing in a little bit more of the microbiome aspect microbiota gut brain access modulator of host metabolism and appetite So it's kind of the other side of the Slide that I just showed each bacterial species within the gut aims to increase its own fitness habitat Survival by specific fermentation of dietary nutrients and secretion of metabolites Many of which can influence host appetite and eating behavior directly by directly affecting nutrient sensing and appetite and satiety There's lots of evidence for example that butyrate can affect this group of hormones that are produced by the gut called in Cretans One PYY, etc that have roles on insulin metabolism have roles on satiety Sort of set of pathways now and connections that are being mapped out between the microbiome the gut and all these different Act with the brain This is really leading to a new paradigm overall for the gut microbiome Partly illustrated in that figure where I showed diet Genes and microbiome the microbiome is an important nutrient sensor that mediates many of the effects of diet on health and disease and of course for better or worse So of course, that's a really key aspect to understanding the impacts of a bad diet versus good diet Is all these different effects that they can have on these different receptors and then how that gets relayed through the brain immune that microbiome actions There's a little bit about evolutionary mismatch, which of course is a key theme overall in ancestral health Regarding particularly the microbiome nutrient sensing. So this is kind of a complicated figure from one of the References that I cited but they kind of sum up nicely this idea of mismatch to some extent so you can see up here in the upper left We have the sad Western diet Hygiene excessive hygiene antibiotic use that are affecting microbiome composition Leading at the bottom of the figure to dysbiosis intestinal permeability and it LPS basically getting into the system Changes in the prevalence of these short chain fatty acids in the next column along with omega-3 fatty acids and these tryptophan Metabolites that I mentioned which are a really key aspect to what the microbiome does and all these different conditions that are affected potentially Deceptors and pathways that may be involved in that so again kind of connecting the dots here to Explaining this mismatch between what's coming in the effects on the microbiome and then how that gets translated into these altered signals That basically are no longer consistent with optimal health All right, so these are basically my take-home points In terms of optimizing health and resilience So of course There's lots of data to show that fasting potentially in long-term caloric restriction or protein restriction to some extent Most of that's coming from animal models Not so much human studies But that is consistent with increased health span and potentially even increased longevity So I think there's a healthy discussion to be had around That versus sort of like high protein intake etc and the Instances where you'd want to basically take that approach. So the anabolic sort of versus catabolic considerations Bidoneutrients play a role in so many ways. We know they're antioxidants. We know that they're anti-inflammatory But now we're starting to see that they also Specifically activate many of these pathways. So we're really starting to understand We also know that phytonutrients in particular can help balance the microbiome and counteract to some extent dysbiosis because they tend to Reduce the incidence of potentially harmful bacteria and then they tend Generally considered beneficial bacteria, so there's lots of different roles that phytonutrients play Micronutrients I didn't really go into but just keep in mind that there are pathways that can sense some of those And really the bottom line is the implications for improving health by basically targeting the microbiome and then these systems that it's connected with In terms of trying to get the effects that we would like to have in terms of changes in health So I think there's so many of these connections that we see kind of independently in this system really sort of ties a lot of that together in terms of how Microbiome affects our health how the immune system affects our health in relation to diet Really fascinating area of research, but it's also pretty overwhelming when you dive in it becomes alphabet soup of Receptors and pathways, etc. All right, so that's what I wanted to say today So if you like more information my website particularly for practitioners on the microbiome. I have a few courses translating microbiome information for clinicians microbiome mastery comm my fishing consulting practices prime health span I Find me on Facebook or feel free to like as well. So thank you so much appreciate it. Hello. I really like the Signaling view on this and is really great segue I Recognize there's a lot of complexity here, but just to check my understanding. It seems like they're they're at least a general level They're signaling for Nutrient High nutrient Environment and a low nutrient environment and so protein would be signaling that you're you're getting enough nutrients But it seemed to me and this ties into some things about bitter plants that I've been reading recently It seemed to me that a lot of the phytochemical Signals that you were demonstrating Seem to be more in line with the showing that there's a poor nutrient environment And that therefore they are signaling in a sense starvation. Is that is that an accurate? Assessment. Yeah, it's not really known There's certainly Hypotheses I've come across that are similar to that that they potentially are sensed as Toxins, you know by the liver and basically the body tries to get rid of them pretty quickly Once they enter the system So there is a lot of evidence that the body doesn't necessarily recognize them as something that's healthy and beneficial and does try to get rid of them And then that may be reflective of as a total speculation, but basically in a nutrient poor environment where other resources around that they have to resort to Sources that are not calorie dense like certain plants and so they're over consuming these phyto nutrients that is interpreted by the body in the context of Yeah, that's definitely consistent with it. Yeah, I recognize it's conjecture, but it's a just so story that I like Thank you My question is just about fasting and whether there is a particular length of time That you need to fast to get these particular benefits some of the benefits for example the slide that I show where there's Hippocampal neurogenesis and things like that is the fasting mimicking diet and typically those Depend on two things at least in humans They seem to depend on and also rodents on fasting for several days like three to five days But also on the refeeding phase as well so that's one big difference between fasting and caloric restriction where you just sort of Restriction calories across the board the idea of one of the Sort of benefits behind the fasting mimicking approach is that you have this refeeding phase that's stimulating regeneration For stimulating these pathways. I'm actually off the top of my head. I don't remember kind of the typical Timeframes for those a lot of these studies were done in sort of calorically restricted rodents that were done You know, those are long-term experiments. Okay. All right. Thank you Thanks for that talk. It was really great. I Don't remember the details, but it was some time in the 40s. They did a metabolic ward study with children some of them had deficiencies and You know, it was an ad libitum thing. They could eat whatever they obviously it was healthy foods And they were you know, the kids would scurvy would gravitate towards the vitamin C containing foods and Brickets would you know gravitate towards the vitamin D contained sort of The body was sensing deficiencies and That are really, you know, the behaviors and food choices were you know Fact that I wonder, you know, that's something you could comment on So in terms of act like activating these specific pathways Or yeah, I mean, I guess it it works in both directions if your body's looking for a nutrient They're obviously your sensors somewhere that Right Yeah, there's multiple levels to that. I'm not as you know, certainly not an expert on sort of the brain reward system aspect to all that but Particularly in terms of the microbiome There's a lot of speculation that the composition of your micro microbiome may have an effect on that too in that And if you have a certain prevalence of certain types of bacteria That they may produce because we know that the microbiome can produce potentially neuroactive compounds And other compounds that can affect the brain and that may be able to affect that whole sort of food Ford food seeking system. So that's one aspect, but they also have an effect on the gut which has a much better Establish effect on satiety and hunger So it's entirely possible. I haven't really come across too many studies that address that specifically that if you're lacking Amino acids in your diet, for example, or any of these specific amino acids that that stimulates Thank you. Cool. Thank you for your talk In fasting in humans, is there any speculation or data looking at the use of things that may upregulate AMPK during that time like green tea and maybe Burberrying on the day that you're doing the fast. I Have not seen any studies sort of on combining those So I can't really speak to that. I would assume there may be some additive effects Trying to think if I have come across any information related to that where they've done both of those at the same time I'm sort of this is again just sort of a guess But I'm guessing if you do have a sort of a high phytonutrient diet That may kind of prime your system to be able to handle fasting better. That'd be an interesting thing to sort of Explore more, but I again, I have not studies on that


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May 3rd, Planning Commission of the City of Columbia. Welcome to Planning Commission members, staff, and guests. We ask for your patience during this virtual meeting. We do have multiple staff members behind the scenes working with us today. We have Lucinda Statler, Planning Administrator, Rachel Bailey, the Zoning Administrator, Jonathan Chambers, the Land Development Administrator, and Andrew Livinggood, the Annexation Coordinator.  However, images of the applicant and the public will not be visible. The public can't participate in a number of ways. You can just watch the meeting or you can participate via email. You can call in on the phone or you can log into the web session. And when participating, please provide your name for documentation purposes. To watch the meeting, the public may stream the meetings through the city TV access at www.youtube.com slash user slash Columbia SC government. 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If a member of the planning commission or the general public wants to discuss an item on the consent agenda, that item is removed from the consent agenda and considered during the meeting. The planning commission then approves the remaining consent agenda items. And I will go ahead and read the consent agenda. The first item is to approve the April 5th, 2021 minutes and then we'll move into future land use map amendments and zoning map amendments for pending annexations. Item number two is 26.35 acres on the south side of technology circle. Request recommendation to assign land use classification of employment campus and assigned zoning of office and institutional district for pending annexation. The property is currently classified as economic development center corridor and zoned GC by Richland County. Item three, 314 Hayward Street, request for recommendations to assign land use classification of urban core mixed residential type three and assigned zoning of two family residential on the Granby architectural conservation district design preservation overlay for a pending annexation. The property is currently classified as mixed residential high density and zoned RMHD by Richland County. Item four, 10.6 acres and 8.12 acres on the west side of Barter River Road. Request recommendation to assign land use classification of urban edge mixed residential and community activity corridor and assign zoning of general residential a portion within a flood protective overlay and neighborhood commercial for pending annexation. The property is currently classified as mixed residential high density and zoned GC and OI by Richland County. Under the zoning text amendment, we have item number five. This is the men's section 17-681B7 districts identified architectural conservation district and Granby architectural conservation district guidelines. Request to add TMS number 08816-10-11 also known as 314 Hayward Street to section 17.681B7, also known as the Granby architectural conservation district and update district boundary map to reflect proposed changes by adding said address 314 Hayward Street to the Granby architectural conservation district at the time of the property's annexation. Under interim future land use map amendment and interim zoning map amendment for pending annexation item six is an 8.8 acre portion on the south side of old Leesburg Road. Request recommendation to assign interim land use classification of urban edge residential small lot and assign interim zoning of single family residential district for pending annexation. The property is currently classified as neighborhood medium density and zoned RSHD by Richland County. Under site plan review item seven, 2100 Waverly Street request site plan approval for the construction of an approximately 30,000 square foot classroom expansion of the Carver line elementary school. The property is owned RG1, General House eventual. Item eight, 13.7 acres Liberty Ridge Drive and Jacobsville Pond Road request site plan approval for the construction of 107 lot attached single family residential subdivision the Liberty Ridge Townhounds. The property is zoned commercial plan unit development. And finally, item nine, 120 Columbia Circle request site plan approval for the construction of an approximately 8,500 square foot retail building. The property is owned large scale plan unit development. And that concludes the items on the consent agenda. Okay, thank you, Lucinda. Is there anyone from the planning commission that would like any item removed from the consent agenda? 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Any emails come through either, so. Okay. Having no emails and having no callers from the public wishing to change the consent agenda or pull an item. I'll entertain a motion. Can I get a motion and a second to accept the consent agenda subject to all conditions contained in the case summaries? I moved it. Mr. Chair. Second. Second. Got a motion and a second. All in favor, please signify by saying aye. Aye. Aye. Any opposed, say no. The ayes have it, the consent agenda is passed. Chairman Frost, this is Lee. I just wanted to verify that my motion was Dr. Mandel and the second was Ms. James. Is that correct? Yes. Thank you. All right. The planning commission will now move forward with those items on the regular agenda. All right. That's gonna take us to the site plan review. Item number 10, which is Esplat 2021-0012, which is 30.35 acres on the north, east side of Lost Creek Drive, west of Pond Oak Lane and east of Hawks Nest Court. And this is a request for a attached single family residence neighborhood on their proposing to construct 127 attached lots, attached single family residences, and the lots will range from 2,200 square feet to 3,500 square feet. This property is currently zoned plan unit development and the current PUD allows for up to 216 attached single family residences. However, the applicant is proposing 127. This request was initially slotted to be before the planning commission last month. However, there was an outpour of neighborhood concern with regards to the request. So the applicant chose to defer the application such that they could meet with the neighborhood association and kind of explain their requests. It is our understanding that they have done that. There are some, there's a synopsis of the neighborhood meeting provided from the developer as well as letters from the adjacent property owners. And I believe the applicant as president can answer any questions that you may have. Thank you. Unless there is any questions for staff. Any questions from the planning commission to staff at this time? Would anybody from the planning commission like to hear from the applicant? Yes. Okay. If the applicant is present, we'd love to hear. Yeah, absolutely. So this development is a hundred, as Mr. Jonathan said, this development is 127 attached single family residential. The current PUD allows for 216 units, but at the current time, and obviously at planning commission, we're only going for 127 attached units. Our goal for this layout was to kind of preserve the nature of the pre-existing subdivision by creating large buffers to kind of keep it separated from the other development neighborhoods just like the original developer did and his intentions of the other phases. I believe within it describes the lot sizes and things such as that, it's going to be Richland County, I believe it's Richland County utilities for the sewer and it is city of Columbia for the water. I really, Mr. Jonathan virtually addressed everything. If you guys have any questions or anything such as that, I'm happy to answer anything. Mr. Yannick, I do have a question. What was the latest from the neighborhood association and the outreach from the neighbors? Are y'all in agreement essentially for this development? So what we've done is upon us receiving some Jonathan and other members of staff letting us know that there was some opposition. At the first meeting, we decided that it'd be a lot better option rather than pushing something through to go ahead and address the neighborhood's concerns and things such as that. So what we pursued is we pursued holding a board meeting with the members of the board of Chestnut Hill Plantation. We discussed the general questions that the residents had within the subdivision and what the board members had within subdivision. We then created like a big answer sheet to send out to all of the residences that were interested in it that pretty much anybody could have submitted a question and then we addressed those questions within that document. All questions really didn't have any true wrongful opposition when it came to the development itself. It was more just questions about the development, how the development was gonna happen, standard development practice, clearing, grading, erosion control, traffic on the roads, utilities, things like that. Not really much opposition when it came to the actual physical development itself. Obviously, residences around it are gonna have opposition. It'd like it to stay the way it is, but there was very little opposition when it came to questions received to us. And once we held that form first and then after that form was completed, anybody that couldn't make comments at that form, we then held an email form where you could send in emails to the developer, which is me, we send into emails to the developer and then I would answer those emails and we just, very much anybody that had a question would send an email and then we address those concerns in that email with the Chestnut Hill Plantation Board attached to all emails. Got it. So, Jonathan, maybe a question for staff, but currently the way this put is it allows for 216 units, correct, or 216 lots, but the developer is gonna build 127 lots. That is correct. Okay. That's all the questions I have. Any other questions from Planning Commission? Hearing none. So we'll move to public comment. We encourage those who would like to comment via email or the web to begin sending in letters and emails. Emails should go to COC. Board meeting at columbiasc.gov or on the web at HTTPS colon slash slash publicinput.com slash COCPC dash may 2021. For those wanting to leave a voicemail or speak live, please call<PHONE_NUMBER>. And when prompted, please enter the meeting code 7921. Then press star two, leave a voicemail or press star three to speak live. Please be sure your computer audio is off to avoid any feedback. We will now hear any comments that have been received in writing or any of those via voicemail. I've not seen any emails come through since the meeting started, but we'll keep an eye on that. Okay. Andrew, do you have any callers on the line regarding this case? I do. I will patch through the first caller right now. Good evening. Can you hear? Hello, my name is David Bergeron. I represent the Chestnut Hill Plantation Homeowners Association. Yes, sir. Okay. Dawson has reached out to us and had a meeting with us. That was very nice. The Q and A session on the email, we still have not received any copies of those answers. Chestnut Hill believes the project should be approved, but with certain conditions. Condition one, we would like the emergency access road to be paved. Tier intends to build the required emergency access road using gravel. We can tell you from experience, this won't work. The city recently spent several million dollars to rebuild Lost Creek Drive. The gravel from this access road or one downhill onto Lost Creek, getting ground into the new pavement and damaging vehicles. The road will become a rutted muddy ice ore, not suitable for heavy emergency vehicles. Also by our covenants, all new construction must be approved as being in harmony with the rest of the neighborhood. Gravel drives are not allowed in our neighborhood. Concrete would be in harmony, as well as virtually maintenance free. Properly built outfault road would also be acceptable. Condition two is about the land clearing and the runoff, the erosion. We're concerned with erosion from the site uphill into the existing properties. I think that is the major concern of the current residents. Tier plans to clear the entire site up to the top of the hill, but then only build the bottom half in phase one. The top half would wait until phase one is sold out. This could be months, it could be years. After your assurance, this will install silt fencing, but I'm sure many of us have seen the sensing get overrun and fail after only a short time. We're not confident in this erosion control method. The HOA would like that no land cleared until construction is about to begin. I have sent an email, I sent it before the meeting and I sent it again as soon as this agenda item was called up. I'm willing to send it a third time if you think that'll help. Yes, sir, please do. Can you tell me again the email address? Obviously you're not getting it. I must have typed something in wrong. Lucinda, can you back up to that email address? Okay, I'm sorry. When was the email sent? Because it may have been included in the packet today. There was one before the meeting started.  So while she's checking, I'll read the email address to you again. It should be COCboardMeetingAtColumbiaSC.gov. Yep, that is what I'm sending to. Is it too big? I've got a couple of attachments on it. Usually about 10 megabytes is about, I mean, sometimes we can get things a little bit bigger than that, but that's the general. All right, I'm only sending, I'm only sending two megabytes. Well, that shouldn't be a problem. I just haven't seen it. Mr. Bergeron, does your email basically just explain what you just mentioned as far as conditions or is there something inside the email? Basically, yes. That's basically what I just talked about. There's some more detail and there's a picture of a place we used to have that was gravel and we tried for years to get the city to pay that the gravel all ran off. It became a rutted muddy mess. Okay. All right, thank you. Any questions from Planning Commission to Mr. Bergeron? Here are none. Okay, thank you, Mr. Bergeron. Thank you. All right, Andrew, are there any other callers on the line? Yes, I do have one more caller in the queue. They also left a voicemail, but so you may want to ask them if they're gonna restate what's in the voicemail. But here you go. Good evening, can you hear us? Hello? Hi, good afternoon. My name is Ross Crow. I live on Lost Creek Drive. And if you lived here where I do, you would be disgusted by the people speeding by at 50, 60 miles per hour in a 30 mile per hour zone.  I run off the road at times. There's children that live on this road and these houses. And it's very scary.  They throw out trash, speed by my house, all disregard for the law. We tried to get speed bumps put in. We had the neighborhood sign enough petitions, but they said they wouldn't do it. There's no way to control this traffic. And now we have another 250 cars on the road going by our house. No, thank you. This is awful. So I'm very much against this development. And I think all my neighbors are as well. And I speak for them. So tell me how you're gonna solve this problem. Thank you. Thank you. Any questions from planning commission to Mr. Crow? All right, thank you, Mr. Crow. All right, do we have any other callers on the line? Andrew? Yes, sir, I'm gonna patch this latest caller in. Thank you. Again, just give it a few seconds to connect. Hello, all. Hello. Hi, my name is Desiree Manuel and I'm calling to represent my mom, Patricia Manuel, who is a resident on Ashwood Lake Boulevard. I see that you have on your agenda for planning a land use. The problem right now is that my mom is 84 years old and she does not have water. When the water company came out, they were saying that the pressure in those areas is going down. It's very low because there's so much building and your infrastructures are really old. So what I'd like to know is how can I get water from my mom? She's 84 years old. I live in California. So I'm actually calling in from Los Angeles right now. But my mom is there at 84 years old with no water. She cannot take a shower. She has not taken a shower for a long time. So who can I speak to? Who can help me with this? I've gone to the water department. They've gone out a few times, but no one's come back and the problem is not solved. Is that a question staff can answer? Give her somebody to call? I guess the best way to deal with that, if Andrew, if you could maybe get her contact information and then we can get someone, the best person to get in contact with her, probably the easiest way to do it. Andrew, who are you? Because I need your name and title please, sir. Yes, ma'am. My name is Andrew, living good. Can you spell your last name, please? Yes, that is L-I-V as in Victor, E-N-G-O-O-D. And I'll give you my phone number. And I think I have your contact information here. But my phone number is<PHONE_NUMBER>. You may have your e-mail address, too. Certainly. It is Andrew.LivingGood, L-I-V-E-N-G-O-O-D at Columbia SC. Again, ColumbiaSC.gov. Columbia.SC.gov? No, ColumbiaSC.gov. So no dot between Columbia and us. Oh, thank you so much. And what's your position? Well, I'm the annexation coordinator, but I can help you. What coordinator are you, sir? I work with annexations. So my title is annexation coordinator. Annexation doesn't. Oh, really? Yeah, because this is a gesture of trouble. I mean, I'm in California, and it's very difficult for me. And I've been calling people and emailing, just that there's a number of people in her area. It's not just her. It's several of the homeowners in that complex that are on Ashwood Lake Drive. And many of them are old and not online and not on computer, and they barely use cell phones. I mean, they're really behind in an antiquated way. But they have something. Sure. So I'll tell you what. I think your phone number begins with Erica at 619. Yes, that's more. It ends with 48. I'll call you after this meeting and we'll touch base. OK, so could you put on the agenda to look at? Because since you're doing land use and development, and I'm an attorney, by the way, that I see a problem in the area and many of the areas that are going to be developed. They need to look at the water use and the water pressure for the residents, because many of them are seniors, and they don't know how to speak out. They don't know where to go, who to talk to. None of those things. They don't drive. They don't use the internet. So their voices aren't being heard. OK, thank you so much. I'll look forward to your call. Bye. Thank you. All right. Andrew, thank you for that. Is there any other callers on the line regarding case number 10? Just so Mr. Bergeron knows, we did find his email. It had gone to our quarantine folder. So we did pull that out and it will become part of the case record. Thank you, Rachel. OK, and he has raised his hand to speak again, Mr. Bergeron. So it's at your discretion. I can connect him. OK, we'll hear him out again. Yes, sir. Mr. Bergeron. Hi, I beg your pardon. I was prompted by what the last lady said, but it turns out thinking of Richland County, we're concerned about the sewer. That's not your problem. OK, thank you. All right. Does that cover the callers, Andrew? Or is there any other callers on the line? That does cover the callers. OK, are there any follow up questions from planning commission to staff or to the applicant? I have one question for, I guess, just to one of the callers comments and the plans they were made to the effect of clearing the entire track. And it looks like on the drawing, there's a limit to disturbance. Maybe about 40% of it. Is that, is there some staff that can confirm? I guess I'm trying to get an understanding of that. Maybe the applicant can speak that. Are they clearing the entire track or just the section inside the disturbance? The preliminary limits of disturbance are included within the document, and that is the only areas to be cleared. So the buffers between that and the neighboring subdivisions? Correct, where you see 16.45 acres of tree same area, those areas will not be cleared and will be left undisturbed. OK. They are using those areas for their density factor for landscaping as well. So they're getting credit for preserving some of that area. Got to. Thank you. OK. Chairman Frost, if I may, Rachel said be the email that had gone into spam earlier. So I don't know if you guys want to, we don't, I guess, have to read it since he was able to talk, but there was an image. Can you guys see this? Yes. This is the email that was trying to come through a little bit ago. So just since we got it, I figured I might want to just take a look at that. I think I don't know. I guess that's it. Understood. Thank you. OK. Speaking of emails, I'm assuming we didn't have any other emails. Lucinda, let me take a look here. I don't see any additional emails. Any final questions from Planning Commission? Mr. Chair, I have a quick final question for the developer. As noted with the Home Owners Association, it was stated that they were concerned about gravel versus paved roads. Is there any plans to ensure that all the roads within that neighborhood will be paved? Yes, sir. I mean, yes, ma'am, all roads will be paved. OK, thank you very much. I believe that question was and if I can just be clear, I believe that question was what wasn't with regards to the roads and the roads leading to the residences. But I believe it was for the emergency access road. And so Dawson, are you saying that the emergency access road will be paved? The area that we're willing to, the area that enters the right-of-way, that area we will be fine paved in that, that is correct. OK, so the 20-foot gated emergency access will be paved? Into the right-of-way. Into the right-of-way, so that the gravel cannot be tracked under the main road. The statements before said where gravel can be tracked on the road will not be applicable because of that 20-foot paved right-of-way. OK, so that I'm clear, the 20-foot access, you're proposing that the 20-foot access road will be paved and or concrete in the right-of-way, and the remaining portion will be gravel? Correct, that is correct. Jonathan, can you show us where this emergency access road is? Yes. And Mr. Jonathan, just to confirm, I'm confirming that that is not a requirement for us to do that, correct? It can be completely gravel, but we're choosing to make it paved, is that correct? I believe that the emergency access road can be gravel as long as it meets the fire department's requirements with regards to it being able to withstand a fire truck. So emergency access roads can be gravel. Correct, I was just confirming that that was not a requirement and that we are doing that above what is required. Thank you. All right, so let me. I think I can see it. Yeah, let me see if I can. I'm going to call the site back out to the current road. That's correct. OK, any other questions from planning commission? I actually have a question. This is Raquel, so will this prevent the current issue that's happening? Are you saying with regards to the emergency access road or Mr. Bertrand's discussion about the gravel washing away? Yes, the gravel washing away. So with the portion that will be paved, will it prevent the current issue that the neighborhood has complained about? Will it prevent that? I mean, a portion of it would be paved and a portion of it's going to be gravel. So depending on the weather and depending on the amount of rain and that kind of thing, it is possible that if the gravel is not maintained, it could have the same issue. Yes. OK, thank you. Hey, Dawson, this is Mason. What's the length of the rideaway for that emergency? What's your rideaway? I believe the length of the rideaway is either 20 or 30 feet. You'd be 30 feet of concrete or asphalt at that? It'd be asphalt. OK, so 30 feet of asphalt per se? Yes, sir. And in this circumstance, it does not apply to SCDOT. Obviously, it's a city of Columbia Road. But in a city of Columbia, I mean, in a SCDOT circumstance, they're normally very stinging on things when it comes to gravel and things like that. And as long as there is within the rideaway pavement, they have no issue with any road tracking. I mean, obviously, any road that is gravel and then within the rideaway having pavement, they're completely fine with that due to the pavement relieving all that gravel before it enters the main road. Fair enough. Appreciate it. Any other questions from Planning Commission? Here and now, and I'll accept the motion. Mr. Chairman, I would like to make a motion to approve the site plan subject to staff conditions at the point at Chestnut Hill Plantation. Got a motion. Can I get a second? A second. OK. Got a motion and a second. All in favor, please signify. Mr. Chairman? Yeah. Before is, and I know you said with staff comments, Ms. James, is that with the condition that the right of way of the emergency access road be paved that's been discussed without it? Yes, with it. OK. Thank you. Thanks for clearing that motion up. So got a motion, got a second. All in favor, please signify by saying aye. Aye. Any opposed, say no. The ayes have it. The motion is approved subject to staff comment and right of way paving for the emergency access. Thank you. That's going to take us to the next case, which is a site plan review at 3452 North Main Street, 3,500 North Main Street, 1217 Sunset Drive, and 1205 through 1211 Phillips Street, various TMS, and this is the North Main Brewery, which is going to be a mixed use development. This project was heard by the Planning Commission and on April the 5th, 2021. And the application was deferred by the Planning Commission with regards to a traffic impact study. Since then, the applicant has provided a traffic impact study that has been reviewed and approved by our traffic engineer. Traffic engineer engineering concurs with the findings of the traffic impact study but has recommended approval of the project with the condition that the intersections of North Main and Cook Street, as well as North Main and Miller Street be improved to increase the turn radii such that commercial vehicles and automobiles can maneuver that intersection when stacking. And that would also be done with the coordination between SCDOT, the developer, as well as the city of Columbia. And that is the recommendation of the city's traffic engineer. There are several staff comments, but the majority of the staff comments are standard in nature. There is also a condition with regards to the continuous access. This project also entails the acquisition of Phillip Street, which again is a city of Columbia city council and court issue. However, there's a recommendation that public pedestrian access still be provided along the Phillip Street in Avondale right away. The applicant is present and can explain their case at this time. Can everybody hear me? Yeah, go ahead. Hi, my name is Fort Burnett. I am the applicant and a civil engineer with the land plan group. I won't bore you guys with a full blown rehashing of the project. I'll probably remember this from last meeting, but maybe there was somebody that was absent. So I'll just give a brief overview. This is a 53,000 square foot office building addition, which will face, I guess, North Main and Sunset. And then there's an existing historic 66,000 square foot building that will be converted into a production brewery, tap room, catering, restaurant, among other things. One of the big things that the developer wanted to do was create a campus feel with the project. And so we are in the process of taking over Phillips. And I think we've actually already got the paperwork for Avondale to incorporate those roads into the project. And one of the reasons we're doing Phillips, the couple reasons, we actually own property on the east side of Phillips next to the railroad. And so that joins all the property together. And then Phillips is actually kind of a substandard intersection with Sunset. The road is actually in the railroad right of way. And so if we are granted Phillips to be taken that over, we would actually have to close that because then the road is in the railroad right of way. And so we've had discussions with DOT about moving our access on Sunset over a little bit so that we've got a good distance from the intersection of North Main and Sunset as well as the railroad tracks. I think one of the things that was missing last week was the full blown traffic study. They are not recommended in any offsite traffic improvements as we've got access from former Avondale access to North on Phillips and then also access on Sunset. I think that's kind of it as an overview. I would like to point out one thing, though, about one of the recommendations from staff, the traffic. And they're wanting us to create a large turning radius on intersections of North Main and Miller and North Main on Cook. And I guess the traffic engineer and I have maybe a different opinions on what's acceptable turning radiuses and the types of trucks. And so if the Planning Commission so chooses, it would be great if they would take that caveat out and have that as a work between the staff level and engineer because we don't really know exactly how those intersections are going to play out. We would have to require right away, which is not always easy to do as a private citizen. We don't have the power in the domain. So we may have to come up with a workaround if we even feel that's necessary. So if the board does choose to grant the approval, I would ask that that condition be taken out and deferred to the staff level because we may have to have some sort of workaround. So and the developer, Rick Middleton, is on. And I think he's going to talk a little bit more about some of the efforts that we've had with the neighbors. Greg, are you there? Maybe? Are you looking for me? Oh, Scott, is that you? Sorry. Yeah, Scott and Greg are here. Yeah. OK. Yeah, y'all go ahead. I'll meet myself. I think you were pretty clear on the whole aspect of it. I'll just say that I'll just reiterate the closing of Phillips I think is important just because it's dangerous. In order to turn right on Phillips Street with a big truck right now, you have to stop on the railroad track, which is extremely dangerous. Phillips Street also appears to not be built for these large trucks. So the city will need to come back in if that were to remain open and redo that entire road so that it's not a residential road any longer, but it's big enough for all these big tree trucks and narrow tractor trailer trucks and stuff to go through. So I just think that it's irresponsible at some point to keep that road open considering where it's located. And I'd like to reiterate, too, we actually are going to have a loading dock, and we're going to have 18-wheelers coming into our site. And so we've got to find a solution to get 18-wheelers into our site as well. So we are a willing participant to make sure we've got full access on property. So I just would like to have those details left to the staff level. OK. Thank you. Any questions from Planning Commission to the applicant or to staff at this point? Go ahead, Harris. Go ahead, Harris. The part about the turning radius, where was that as a specific condition? That's located under Ritter, who's the Interim Traffic Engineer. It's in his comments. OK. As well, it's listed in the case summary as well. OK. And I believe Drew is on the call, if there's any questions specifically to those comments. Does staff have any issue reviewing that with the engineers at a staff level to review those turning radii and get the best you can get based on right away and that sort of thing? Well, I think in Drew's here, but I think from a staff standpoint, our traffic engineer, who's the reviewing authority, has looked at it and they feel that the turning radius is hard to navigate, especially if there's vehicles stacked on both of those intersections. And so I'm not sure that deferring that to staff would be the best way to go with that. Traffic engineer has recommended what their approval is with that condition. I was wondering if I could just comment real quick on that. I wouldn't want to burden the planning commission to have to come back again if, for example, we were able to get right away on Miller, but not on Cook. And so that's one of the reasons why we would like to have that, I guess, worked out at the staff level.  I mean, if we can't get right away from a private citizen as a private citizen, we don't have that right of imminent domain like DOT or the city. There's really nothing we can do. And so then we're stuck with this condition that we can't meet. And so that was one of the reasons why we wanted to make that at the staff level instead of the condition of the planning commission approval. And I think that's why, I believe it says, the developer in between, coordination between SEDOT and the city of Columbia. But again, Drew is, I believe Drew is on the phone and on the call, and I think he can speak to it. Drew. Yeah, I'm here. I was going to say, yeah, I think we can, and I'll be honest, I just got to study last week. So I think we can work with that as far as if it's kind of, and I'll be honest, I don't know the frequency of what, how many tractor trailers are coming in and out of there. I don't know the details of, I know Sox and Freeman is back there. I think we can maybe work out a plan to maybe if it's just doing Miller, maybe just tell them, I know Cook, they stop at Cook, but they go to that gas station right there. So if maybe if it's figuring out some sort of plan, yes, I think we can work with you on that. OK, that'd be great. So just another question I have. North Main Street is DOT, correct? And does Cook, Miller, both DOT streets? Correct. OK. Yes, I mean, North Main, this is Drew again. I was going to say North Main is DOT, yes. But I was going to say that's with North Main being the main road, it's going to, the intersection is going to be their intersection. It's going to trump whether it's city or state. But yes, to answer your question. Right, OK. So it's more of a we could put the condition on the developer, but then DOT has to have an approval of the the radio and the encroachment of any wide and radius. Yeah, yes, yes, I apologize. I'm in the car, so yes, that's so I mean, it almost to me seems like it's got to be just a discussion between staff and DOT and, you know, work out the best possible arrangement at the time. It's going to be a yes, absolutely. It'll be a joint effort. Yes, sir. So, Drew, are we hearing you correctly that, you know, you are willing to work with the the developer and with the DOT to to progress that further, that we could take that as a condition outside of this approval? Yes, I I talked with Lori Campbell, she's the district one traffic engineer today. Yes, I'm willing to I'm still kind of waiting to get some feedback from her. But yes, I'm willing to work. We're yeah, we're willing to work with that condition. OK, thank you. Are there any other questions from Planning Commission to the applicant or to staff? Hearing none, we'll open up to public comment. So we'll open the public comment. We encourage those who would like to comment via email or the web to begin sending in letters and emails. That email is COC board meeting at Columbia SC dot gov or on the web at HTTPS colon slash slash public input dot com slash C O C PC dash may twenty twenty one. For those wanting to leave a voicemail or to speak live, please call eight five five nine two five two eight zero one. When prompted, please enter the meeting code seven nine two one. Then press star two to leave a voicemail or press star three to speak live. Please be sure your computer audio is off to avoid feedback. We will pause to hear any comments that have been received in writing. And are those any via voicemail or on the line? I do have an email. This is from Robin Spaniel, who lives on 22 10 Wall Street. And she says, why does it say proposal request site plan approval for the construction of medical office building? Is there going to be a medical office under use? It does not list medical. Is this listed under office? I can answer that. Yes, there will be a medical office on the first floor, half the first floor. Or we think there will be tentatively don't have tenets lined up. But that's the thought process. Is that that's an acceptable use for the zoning, correct? Correct. OK. I believe it's actually it's going to be that's one of the uses that's going to be in there. It's going to be mixed use. Right. OK. Any other emails Lucinda at this stage? There are no other emails at this point. I do have a caller and I could pass them through. OK, thank you. Good evening. This is the planning commission. Yes, this is Chuck Sally. Yes. Can you hear me? Yeah, we can hear you, Chuck. OK, good. Jamie, how are you? I'm good. Thank you. Hey, so I've got some real concerns about closing Phillips Street. I own the building at 1220 Cook Avenue. It's an 18,000 square foot warehouse is leased to real floors, Inc. You know, I have run this by the general manager might jump for it real floors and he has said that if they close Phillips Street, he has suppliers that said he will not deliver to him anymore because they can't make the turning radius not only from North Main to Cook, but from Cook to Phillips Street. That needs to be improved as well.  And, you know, without the improvements necessary for for, you know, truck traffic to enter Phillips Street from those others, we you're going to really severely damage the the value of those properties by closing a public what is now a public road. Thank you, Chuck. Anybody have any questions for Mr. Chuck Sally? OK, thank you. Thank you, Chuck. I think we have any other callers. I do not have any other callers at this time. Any other emails, Lucinda? I have not seen any additional emails at this time. Having no other callers or any other any other questions from Planning Commission to staff or to the applicant. And, and Jane, I'm sorry, I do have a caller that has just OK, OK, pass him through. Good evening. This is the Planning Commission. Hello, this is Chris Freeman of Stocks and Freeman Tree Company. How are you doing today? Doing good, Mr. Freeman. Good, good, good. Listen, first of all, let me let me emphasize that Stocks and Freeman has no opposition to the Middleton's proposed development. Matter of fact, being a long term business in the community, we feel like it's a great boost for our community. And actually, it's I think a real gut to move on their part to make this investment. But, you know, and being at our current location now for some 60 years, we don't want, like Mr. Sally said, we don't want to be the the end user here that gets punished by limiting our risk or elevating our exposure to ingress and egress from the intersection of Cook Street to off North Main or from North Main to Miller. I know these residential roads, they do need improving. But, you know, at 60 year history, we have been able to make this work. But closing the end of Philip Street right now without a guarantee that we have a greater turn in radio at those intersections and as well, Cook Street and Philip Street. We don't feel like it is right for y'all to approve any proposed plan until we have a guarantee that those things are in place. We don't want to be the the barrier or bearer of what could be a higher risk aggravation. And because as is with the new development of Main Street to read the three development of Main Street North Main, the intersections there have become even narrower than they ever have been. So it's almost difficult for passenger vehicles to make those turns much less when you put a truck like ours. Or if real floors is having an 18-wheeler delivery, occasionally we get 18-wheeler delivery. So we just see that there's there's a higher risk that it involved here if we do not have those guarantees with much wider intersections there. So until then, you know, we're standing firm that we don't believe any proposal should be approved until we have that guarantee. Yes, sir. Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Freeman. Any questions from. Thank you. Mission to Mr. Freeman. Thank you, Mr. Freeman. Thank you. Thank you very much. Any other callers, Andrew? No, there are no more callers. OK, all right. Any other final questions or or questions for the staff or for the applicant from the Planning Commission? I guess I'm confused about where to go from here. It sounds like there are some, you know, outstanding issues with the traffic piece that I mean, can they be resolved? I mean, is it is it our purview? There's been a lot of talks, so I'm just trying to figure out what is that something DOT is going to figure out eventually. So if we pass this as is, at some point, it will be, you know, something that will go to another. You know, decision making body to make a final decision on that. What what's the what's the takeaway from all that discussion? Hey, this is Greg Middleton here. I'll just interject if nobody else knows the Richmond County court system court of pleas is the one that makes the final judgment on a road closure and they do that based on city staff recommendations, SED recommendations and other defendants in the case. Lucinda. Yeah, I mean, this this will the road closer and we'll certainly have to get us actually going to City Council for a public hearing, I believe, tomorrow and then we'll end up in the court system. So my understanding, Jonathan, correct me if I'm wrong, is that the site and approval, I mean, the site plan is dependent upon the road closure happening. But then the site, the Planning Commission has to approve any, you know, offsite improvements. That they feel it is necessary to make the site plan work based on staff recommendations. That's correct, Lucinda. I'd like to reiterate that we are going to have to have 18 wheeler truck access to our facility as well. So it's in our best interest to have either Miller and Phillips or Coke and Phillips or Miller and North Maine or Coke and North Maine to be accessible with an 18 wheeler truck as well. So just to give you guys some reassurance that that's we can't get product unless we have 18 wheeler truck access. So I guess my question is, is there a way to approve this plan with the idea that we understand that someone else will be dealing with this traffic issue, which needs to be resolved before anything can actually happen in terms of building the site out? Is that, is that something we can do, Lucinda? I mean, I think so. I mean, it sounds like if, you know, if the conditions that the planning commission puts in their motion are not satisfied per the city staff that made the recommendation, then it would have to come back to planning commission. I mean, so I mean, Drew sounded a little bit flexible in terms of, you know, exactly what the improvements would have to be made, but he would need to be comfortable with, with the solution that is proposed in order for it to be resolved with the staff level. So is there, I mean, I keep coming back to, is there a way to approve it and to say that it would be subject to approval by the city traffic engineer? I mean, I think that's acceptable. It's comfortable with that. Um, I mean, Jonathan, is that, is that sound like that meets the slight approval that you are understanding? I guess the question is, is, you know, I know that there was some discussion about both intersections, and then there's discussion about one intersection. Um, I believe that the developer is asking for flexibility on one of the intersections, and I believe the callers were stating that they needed two of the intersections. So I think, you know, you'd have to kind of figure out exactly, you know, are you saying both intersections or one intersection? Um, Drew's initial comments, um, read the intersection improvements to include an increase in turn radio must be made to the intersection of North Main Street and Cook Street, as well as North Main and Miller Street to accommodate commercial vehicles and automobiles at the expense of the developer with coordination between SCDOT and the city of Columbia. So if, if the plans were to be approved with that, then that would be the condition. And if, let's just say they didn't want to, you know, they couldn't make the improvements to both of the intersections, then it would have to come back to the planning commission, um, to be relieved of that, to be relieved of a condition. So Jonathan, would it be possible? I know I keep coming back to this, but I'm just trying to figure it out. Is there a way to, um, approve this subject to, you know, with all staff comments, but stating that the traffic plan just period for both intersections or whatever happens from here, that the traffic plan needs to be, you know, agreed upon with the city traffic engineer? Is there a way to do that? Sorry, Jonathan. If that's the, if that's the, you know, if that's the condition of the planning commission, then, you know, we'd have to see if that could work. Okay. I mean, I just don't, I'm just trying to coordination with, we'd have to also coordinate with DOT and be, you know, the city of Columbia, the developer and SCDOT. Okay. I'm just trying to figure out a way that we can sort of approve this understanding that the traffic piece is still out there. And I mean, I don't know how much good it would come back if we approved it subject to all staff comments, including the traffic piece, and then it couldn't be done. And then it has to come back to planning commission with a new plan. I just don't see the utility in that when there are other people who need to be involved in the process, but it also sounds like they're major issues. So I don't want to just relieve all responsibility for that. As I'm just trying to figure out a way to do those things. So I don't know if. Understood. Because I feel like this is the second time they've been back and and everything else is good to go. But, you know, this is the piece that's hanging out there. And there, you know, as Hoyt said, they're motivated to get it figured out. I know everybody wants to get it figured out. I don't know what the solution is, but I'm also not a traffic engineer. So I don't, you know, I don't know what the utility would be in it coming back to us if there's a way that, you know, other people need to get it figured out. But I mean, it sounds like it can't really be built until that gets figured out for a lot of different reasons. Is that correct? Yes. Including DOT. OK, I'm just trying to clarify because I it seems like if there's a way we could approve it, but understand that the traffic issue needs to go through some other you know, some other approval processes and we wouldn't have to see it again based on the traffic piece. Because I mean, anyway, I'm just trying to figure that out. So anybody else on the Planning Commission have a thought? I would I would just say that I, you know, I concur with your thoughts and I think that from what I thought I heard from Drew is that he's willing to work at a staff level with Hoyt to come up with something that works alongside with the DOT.  I don't know that we can. I don't know how you approve something with any sort of condition on it other than there being a condition that. Those three work together to. You know, create the best traffic scenario possible. So I mean, I would say we moved to approve this with the condition that. The developer, the engineer, the city and the DOT work together to. See what can happen with the intersections. Yeah, that's all we're asking for. And I think we need to make sure that we also ensure that all the other staff comments get included because there are others other staff comments as well. So I mean, I'm ready to make a motion unless someone else has some additional comment or thoughts. Any other questions from Planning Commission? All right, here and now and I'll accept the motion. I move that we approve this project. Lucinda, do I need to state what project it is? Yes, please. OK. I'm going to need to go to a different screen to do that. Hang on. I can go ahead and make the motion if you want. OK, I mean, just to be clear, you know, I'm supporting what Jamie said, which is that it needs to include all of staff comments other than the traffic piece, which then needs to be settled between the Department of Transportation, the developer and the city of Columbia traffic. So if that's what you're going to make the motion for and you can include there again. OK, got it. All right, I'll go ahead. It's here and I started it. So all right, I move that we approve the development at 3452 North Main Street, 3500 North Main Street, 1217 Sunset Drive and 1205 through 1211 Phillips Street, including all staff comments except for the comments on traffic from the city and on that piece that we know that the Department of Transportation, the developer of this project and the city traffic department need to work together to come up with a solution that is agreeable to all entities. Second. Got a motion, got a second. All in favor, please signify by saying aye. Aye. Any opposed, say no. The ayes have it. The motion is approved. All right, so the next item on the agenda is the some requested revisions to the new city of Columbia zoning map that is set to take effect on August 30th in conjunction with the Unified Development Ordinance. These changes are mainly due to errors where we had accidentally rezoned properties that had already been rezoned previously, so we needed to match some was council input and some were errors that we caught taking second, third, fourth looks at the map. So this is kind of a cleanup amendment, though. And these come to you all today. Council just gave first reading to the overall maps, and I think Lucinda's flipping through them. These will go through council also that they are effective before the August 30th date, so that when the maps do take effect, these changes will have been approved and adopted. Was that everything, Rachel? Yes. Any questions from Planning Commission regarding these revisions in this case? Hearing none. Do we have to have any sort of public comment on this one? Yes. OK. So no question from the Planning Commission to staff that I'm aware of, so we'll open it to public comment. Again, we encourage those who would like to comment via email or the web to begin sending in letters and emails. Emails should be sent to COC board meeting at columbiaSC.gov or on the web at HTTPS colon slash slash public input dot com slash COC PC dash May 2021. For those of you wanting to leave a voicemail or speak live, please call<PHONE_NUMBER>. And when prompted, please enter the meeting code 7921. Then press star two to leave a voicemail or press star three to speak live. Be sure your computer audio is off to avoid feedback. We will pause briefly to allow for any calls or any emails to come in and hear those comments. So, Lucinda, have we had any emails? I do not see any emails at this time. OK, Andrew, do you have any callers on the line regarding case number 12? Likewise, I do not have any callers in the queue. OK. Maybe we'll just take another brief pause just to make sure of technology in too slow. No emails, Lucinda. No emails, no callers, Andrew. Still no callers. OK. All right. Having no callers on the line or no emails from the public. Are there any other questions or any questions from Planning Commission? Very none. I'll accept a motion. Mr. Chairman, I would like to make a motion to approve the requested revisions to the city council for the city of Columbia zoning map to take effect on August 30th two thousand twenty twenty one. Got a motion. Can I get a second? Thank you. Got a motion and a second. All in favor. Please signify by saying I. Any opposed? Forward. Thanks, Mark. Any opposed? Say no. The eyes have it. The motion is approved. Going on to other businesses. Are there any other business? And I'm aware of here and none. I'll accept the motion that we adjourned. So moved. Got a motion. Second. Second. Got a second. All in favor. Signify by saying I. Hi. Motion is adjourned. Got a motion. The motion is approved. The meeting is adjourned. Have a good one. Don't take night. Have a good night. Good night.