ays when she was a well, she explains first that a lot of people have fucked up Um, a lot of times milo claga. She explains some stories about how one of them has slipped while trying to paint like a Giant a middle finger while the other one Was almost caught by enforcers, but they found it so funny that he caught his leg on something that they just left him there Which again gives you a sense of like forces of Um enforcers are tricks and we've all had our weak moments just like you But then a last story is when she was a kid, uh, someone threw a toy up into like these It's a little uh set of firing. I'm not sure and it's stuck there And she said she hoped it would be knocked down one day Um that we've all had bad days, but we we learn and we stick together Just good old standard normal things for a supportive sister to say But uh saying we always learn and we stick together. It's gonna be something that's remembered quite a bit Um And she she shows her the the gem stones Sorry the that is yeah. Yes. No, was it the hex Oh, sorry, right. Okay, the the crystals and um, wow crystals are stones, but She shows either him or there and uh, she says let's show vanda and vise like no Because after everything that's happened You'd assume that that's going to be a bad move with everything that's uh, all the repercussions of everything Yeah, well not to mention vander had said like so where's the loot and like we lost it all and vander said good That means that that can't be traced back to you. So with that knowledge in mind She realizes wait this can be traced back to us. Let's just not tell anybody Yeah, she doesn't really know what it is, but she would rather not tell vander about it Which um, honestly when I was first watching this show I thought we were just gonna get because some tv shows I don't know if you guys have noticed like huge credit sequences Like you get the the wand division one's really surprised if you remember because we had the outro credits, but then the credits And they were really long So I thought oh, I think this is the the show ending on a shot of them looking over the city It makes the most sense But the thing is we haven't had an introduction to a main villain yet which um It sort of reminded me of how a lot of The structure and a lot of stories goes a lot of the time with tv shows that the last scene is actually saved for like There's something brewing. That's going to be a problem for our heroes.  I was just mentioning how like the huge fish framed behind them like in one of the charts kind of alludes to The scale of things here as well. Yeah And these these do not petty criminals and the big looping shot of the big tattooed guy Yeah So was it I love how Mueller assumes someone ate the chairs like I mean, did you see what they create at the end of this scene? There's a chance there's some creepy mods that they made that ate a chair Standing there in the background. Who's who who's that? We don't know We don't know yet There's some guy on him. I was gonna just appreciate the frantic Camera work in this scene and I just feel like it's supposed to be again. It's it's obviously new to us But it's also decades pov.  This is very not fun. Actually Just good visual storytelling and communication We've got a good use of the old tilted camera looking at this thug very good.  That's the whole thing So the big problem with that they just don't know when to not use dutch angles. They're everywhere.  No, it's not All right, we're just gonna have to make two We spent all the budget on catering I'm curious the character in this scene who's holding a beaker. Did anybody figure out who that is without looking at the credits or looking it up? Uh, yes I think uh people started to figure it out fairly quick, but I think it took us a little bit longer So with me and friend, this was the point where my legal legends knowledge was that it's least Remembered because I hadn't looked into it again, but when I saw silco I was like, oh, is that like the version of singed? Yeah, yeah, that's right the eye and the side of the face. Um when I saw the other guy I was like, oh, I guess he's just scientist guy But of course, uh as time went on and I was like looks more like I thought maybe the singed's name was silco Or something. That's what I thought was That was exactly my experience. That was my exact experience I thought silco was singed and then I had no idea since was in it and then on my second watch through on like episode six I was watching the credits and I was like, wait singed.  I think I think there are a few things at play I think the fact that we have the name powder But I think most people already knew who she was really it's like, oh So that there may well be names that we uh that we've never heard before that are actually the names associated with the more known ones And All right, no, well go go for it. Well, I was just gonna ask if so so silco is not in the games then right? No, that is correct. He's in tft now. Yeah, they don't Spin off, but he's not okay. Well, because there are a few characters who aren't in it. There are there are um There's one we'll get to well. Yeah Um and uh I'm blanking as well. There are there are a few other people and like family members as well where it's like Yeah, they're not well, I guess it's not as quick. Someone's pointing out which is what uh confirmed it for me when we watch it on Netflix is that they'll give you the names of the people who are speaking So I can't remember what point it was but I was with with free. I was like, oh that guy singed. Okay. Okay Because it said it. I was like, all right. I follow now Oh, yeah, I think I had to ask. I was so no idea I had to ask Theo if silco was in the game or not because I hadn't played it for so long that I didn't know if maybe he was new And I I don't know if it's worth commenting on now or later, but I think singed Is a very interesting Of how do we do fan service? In a certain Certain sense. I agree It'll be episode six that you're gonna want to bring it up again. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. So next week Since we're at three hours, I'm starting to think we might have to split this into two. I'm not sure we'll have to see how it goes Christ, all right. Well, let's let's press on shall we well? I love this shot of silco, which is the first Look at him. Yeah Best boy Well, yeah, we'll try Go ahead I was just gonna say that um The movie called Barry Lyndon that probably a lot of people in audience haven't seen but I'm assuming most of you guys have It's a Kubrick film One thing I love about Barry Lyndon is you can just go through and pause it basically any point and it looks like a painting It's like almost every almost every shot in the entire movie Just has an aesthetic quality that is above and beyond the best shot in most films So that's literally every shot and arcane is close like you can just go through and pause at basically any point Everything is very very meticulous and beautiful and in a way. It's really quite shocking Yeah, I believe Jay. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. Jay put made this very point It was like check out these four gorgeous shots. Just kidding. These are all random shots.  Uh I knew that it worked. I just I I sprawled to full random points of the episode pretended Posted them saying that they were my favorite shots from arcane. It's like nope psych. They're literally random ones But the entire show is gorgeous Every frame is a painting You could say that Yes Holy shit, dude Like I earlier earlier someone said the budget was 10 million in episodes And I was like surprised that it was that little and someone in chat was like roasting me But just look at the quality. I mean, I don't know 10 million episode is a good amount of money per episode for a television show The thing is, I mean, it's better than The vast majority of movies and like I mean 90 million dollars isn't that much for a movie and this is six hours of content From what I have heard don't take this as like gospel or anything But I've heard that a lot of the money didn't even go to the animation Like it was going to other places like these high budget songs and and that sort of thing I can believe it.  I thought he uh didn't get to because he was interrupted by the the information, but maybe yeah but just um Look at this. Look at him I feel like Oh, I was this guy. He's so spooky. He must be a bag But yeah, so, uh, you know the conclusion of the scene is that the information that our our intrepid heroes This guy is aware of it and is very happy. He knows about it. So we're just sitting here like Eh, and then I think the credits roll it's about it for the episode Oh, yeah, because he asks if um he asks if it's ready Yeah, and they show it off of it which Yeah, uh, this is Interesting they feed shimmer to a well, I guess we should just say this drug to um rat And the cat is about to to have itself a nice little meal, but then the reverse happens The vision the rat is so straight the cat pukes upper rat Pretty rough man that poor cat, you know, yeah, like tom and jerry Mm-hmm. Well what where tom is like the the victim of jerry's constant harassment. Yeah, that's yep. Yep Um, and I I do appreciate the theory because the it doesn't go beyond this that that's twitch in that uh Hell now Which is uh, oh Yeah It does feel like That could be the case There's no reason to think this just doesn't just work on that creature for a while and uh, yeah It'll eventually become A champ Is that is that like is is twitch a creature that's created by Which is like he's just a weird mutant sewer rat with a crossbow So, yeah, it's the honest. So I like oh, he looks curious All of the legends in League of Legends look cool Hey, I googled the I googled the original jinx designs. I wasn't Thrilled with them I think they're fine. I just I wait for I do prefer. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I looked she was like, oh, I guess They improved her with my reaction when I saw her She is a lot more comedic in the game. Yes Yeah, he's straight like comedy kind of character That's how I would describe her in the show to be fair Yeah, yeah, it's really funny Yeah Um, but that's episode one. We did it. Hey I'm going for it. We did it I'm going to take all the credit for getting you guys to the end of episode one. Thank you Showing up in the last five minutes without you Three hours That was part one of a nine part series. That's three Um, I guess that's reassuring. So so hang on this rate. It will take us three e-faps Yeah, well, I think at this point like we have gone over like a lot of the animation I don't know that we'll get That's is right. We've talked about animation We've talked about a lot of production stuff So it might will be that we just start getting hyper focused on plot I still that's gonna take a while. There's just so much to say about every scene. Unfortunately Same thing is that we've not got to like any of the payoffs yet. We've gotten we've covered is like the um We've covered the setup episode where not much really happens We we will make a lot of progress if we stop talking about the amount of progress And begin to progress nothing The meta for a little bit and it changes the pacing of the conversation especially because we're just going to jump right like I That's not that I don't value the observations about the meta. It's just you know, we've got to be time conscious We're already going to be Baxing out this e-fap. So I don't think it's fine. What if we what if we play us? What if we play our stream on 1.25 speed? There you go Well, I saw someone in chat everyone talk faster. Um, I hope this releases on blu-ray. I agree I hope this e-fap episode comes out on blu-ray. Uh, I don't know if they're gonna do it I'm gonna have to talk to the blu-ray people but yeah yep Um, so is it e-fap episode three could be an e-fap of its own. It's like, yeah, what we get there Uh, oh anyway The next episode it opens where what is a neat little thing of oh my the alternate perspective of that initial explosion um We get to see that the people who are actually trying to come into the room which is It's funny because I'm like should I refer to them by name only when they've actually gotten their names? And I was like, well, I guess it doesn't matter, right? I Was um, it's jace coming into his house With uh, a young katelyn. I suppose they're both technically everyone's young technically A young gir anyway Um, yeah, uh, I'm not sure if I'm not sure if the idea here is like 17. They've come from um, I don't know how old he is exactly, but I don't know if they're trying to imply they've come from benzos Um, and that's how quickly No, I'm saying with what they're holding. I don't know if that's where they've come from or if they're coming from somewhere else Uh, well if you look at all that crap, it does look like stuff that benzos would hold it does That's why I was saying it might be it takes more time though because like they had to totally make sense And then just for those two to take ages to get back home from the undercity They have no fucking clue or rather jace and that means jace would have visited katelyn after going to the undercity first Because he wouldn't take her there I mean like I mean it would take a while to get the tip and then play in the heist and then actually do it like it Really the the better evidence would be that echo followed him home, which kind of cancels it out So there you go I think so if if they knew where he lived and then just after he visits the store echo tells them And then they rush on the job knowing it was quick that would work.  I don't know.  Yeah, because he's obviously collecting what he can from wherever he can um Yeah, the explosion knocks him delirious and we get that as a sort of framing device for why We're led into him having a bit of a flashback or we're just seeing a part of his history um But something that they add to this Through his pov that I very much appreciated when I saw it is buy checks on him before she runs off Make sure he's okay Good girl That guy isn't dead, right Yeah, um But then we get one of what are I think I want to say five uh, like fundamental flashbacks that serve very specific purposes for each of these characters that they're given to He's in the middle of a crazy snowstorm blizzard Thing and nobody wants to be caught up in blizzard, you know, not these days. That's that's bad One iRL and and it looks about like that Getting real bad. He's desperate is mum's knocked out and um, I feel like I should hand this to metal because he pointed it out in his stream And now I feel like it'll be Just just what's a detail about your hand metal Oh, yeah, you can see on jay's mum's hand. She has frostbite. I think it's three fingers It's like two and a half or something or two and a half. Yeah, so you can see this first because the first time I watched it I thought it was just shading Uh, just just shadows or whatever, but later you see she has like stuff on her fingers and then he's like, oh, shit That's what that was Yeah, it's another example of like it's just it's not used You know any overt way and anyway, it's just a consistent element of what happened to her in this blizzard and what's happened as a result It's just neat Yeah, and point that out again when we see it but um Someone turns up everyone's gonna want me to refer to him as rise. So I will rise turns up because it's Is that right? Yeah, it's gotta be um, I remember when I first asked Theo about it Theo was like well considering he uses his ulti I would assume it's rise. I was like, yeah, yeah, okay Rise ulti in the game as he can teleport everyone in a big circle to another part of the map Okay, yeah fair enough. Yeah To be fair, I thought he was rise without even making that connection I'm starting to wonder why I thought that because he doesn't quite look like him And rise doesn't use like a staff at least I don't think he does right? He has a book or is it different now? It's a book as far as I know, yeah There's probably like gone up from the staffs after several years now. So the book better than staff is what you're saying Our show.   Like this isn't just competent storytelling. This is like visionary filmmaking.  It looks so good This is so good. I'm angry. Stop it. Stop being so good. I'm offended This is the first time I was watching it. I literally said out loud.  I was there's like there's two more of these sequences too. They're all very very very good Now people like it's not rise and then someone had the correct take it's rise until it's not rise. Okay Motherfucker showed up and cast a realm warp. He's covered in runes.  I feel so powerful not giving a shit who rises right now Yeah, that's No, um Well, so I was impressed with the visuals But I didn't even say this to free at the time because I thought it was a bit too funny considering the tone But uh, we'd watch smiling friends and it immediately made me think about when god throws charlie into the planet like this All right This is one of the match cuts by the way So gorgeous Yeah, you see you see the planet cut into an eye, I believe. Yeah. Yeah Wonderful Anyway, so the the conclusion to make from this is that some guy used magic and it made an enormous difference to jace's life Including been all limited to saving his lives So not to mention he drops a stone right in little jace's hand for safekeeping Not even really safekeeping. It's like Here you go. Yeah, it's almost it's in response to the question of like what did you do, right? Because it suggests like that's what you can do with this stuff It does seem feel that way. There's like it's not only it could even argue. It's like a reminder. This did happen Because it seems like it's lost whatever power that had he's when he gives it to him Yeah Yeah, it's just a scene they do this a lot in arcane and I appreciate it They spend very little time and it's it's it's the version we talked about this before with like shitty writing But it's the version of writing with a writer that has something to tell you And it's like, all right. What do you want to tell me? It's like, well jace is invested in magic I'm like, okay Like that's what a lot of shows would do but instead it's this traumatic experience where he almost dies This mysterious man does something incredible And jace is just looking at him fascinated and I'm like All right, and they really go out of their way with the visuals to convey how Yeah, this was not a rush job like I think here more than in a lot of places.  Um, we all had our say on it, but now drink is here drinker, what do you think of the intro? really Yeah, just that little section that you get in every episode so this here, um Yeah, I'm fine with it like I guess it's not really something to spend a huge amount of time on Well, I guess to be more pointed. What do you think of the visuals and what do you think of the mute? Um Yeah, I mean visually it looks great as every aspect of the show does is obviously showing you a lot about the various characters um the two sisters and stuff and Yeah, I don't remember the music so much I don't know if I'm just blanking a little bit on this at the moment Oh, we had a whole back and forth about it like the rest of us Passionate hatred for a lot of people but also tolerance for a lot of people and some people who I think like it a lot I don't know, but uh, it was a point of contention. I was just curious what you thought But apparently you didn't I think it was one of those things where I kind of skipped past the intro In each episode just so you could get to the actual, you know meat of the Yes Yeah, no Um, and yeah, so episode two We get a lot more pilt over than we did in episode one And I assume that's very deliberate because it's time to introduce the other half of the characters in a sense um And yeah, so the explosion and I can't remember it could have been metal as somebody I was watching it with They were happy that the explosions having consequences for him because Yes, you want to get the people who are responsible for it in the sense that they kind of made it happen What the fuck are you up to in here that makes it so that the entire building can explode? Um And so they have this inspection going on and it's just satisfying to see The world Like hold on a minute, what's all this all shit you've got you don't have licenses for any of this Yeah, and I think he says like oh, you know science stuff and then she's like really I don't really like I don't you can explain this away with that Uh I love science Penthouses explode all the time. What are you talking about? and You clearly don't know science we get um, I think I mentioned this on the open bar actually, but uh She's obviously taking control of the situation Grayson, but uh, this there's this snooty guy in the background Who says, um, this isn't all approved and then victor, sorry Jay Whoops I'm sorry my brain is crap like it just it just connects That's not much of a spoiler to be fair I know I was I was hopefully gonna do something else with it, but it's a bit late now. Anyway, the um He said that guy says this isn't all approved and Jayce who's like just frustrated that some guy is saying that she's just like, who are you? He says i'm assistant to the head of the academy um Which I think is a really neat way to avoid giving his name because it makes sense Uh, the guy is smart enough to recognize that Jayce cares about his station not literally his name Yeah, I mean you don't that's not the kind of If he if he said, you know, oh there's my name Jayce would go, well, okay cool, but who are you? well Yeah, you know, it's like if someone like if some if someone like If I if I if I got home and found like a guy in Uh overalls in my house and I Was like, oh what and who are you and he said oh, i'm steve I'm like, okay. I feel like you've missed the spirit of the question. Yes But I just I like that. It's um again Frack-wise it wouldn't bother anybody really it's a perfectly normal answer to the question But it does allow them to avoid him giving his name at least for now Uh I'm curious theo. Did you pick up who he was before he said his name? Uh, who? well Pick the oh the accent gave away straight away That's fair Um, I was more so I think my brain didn't connect it at all because of the fact that he doesn't look at it And like him I was like no And then I was like, oh Which I think was hopefully what they were getting for Yeah, he doesn't look like a robot or have his grabby hands or anything like that so Nothing wrong. He doesn't look like he looks in game True, um, it's also the fact that he was talking to jace because of course, you know The thing is their thing in the law Yeah, at that point you'd be able to But uh, I must have been really fun for you then because like I got a couple fun surprises, but it sounds like you would have gotten all of them Mm-hmm um but yeah, uh They basically conclude you're gonna have to go to The prison ready for the council to talk to you because this not only was unsanctioned, but it was dangerous Which like that's the way it should be And he's just staring at his little Jam prison go ahead What I found kind of interesting was that like, you know when Vi and the gang ripped this dude off the first thing I thought of was like, oh here we go It's just going to be he we ripped out ripped off from some rich guy who doesn't care about anything So, huh, you know, so we were just going to ignore it But then second episode comes along and they characterize The quote rich guy and he's actually not just some douche bag that gets brushed off as a rich douche bag So that was nice It's a theme that carries over through the whole show where no one is You know fundamentally just an asshole or evil or or even good Like they all have like different sides to their characters and like a lot of assumptions that you make about a lot of these people Aren't born out once you once you learn more about them. Yeah, exactly And that was kind of a concern I had at the start of the show I had said like oh, I thought a lot of it was going to be sterilized But it looks like uh, nope. Nope. We are keeping things good and gray I was definitely in the realm of nuanced I was I was definitely in the realm of like that's that seems to be what we're going for but it was episode three I was like, yeah, that's it. Ah, it's definitely definitely Um, I love this introduction to heimerdinger the shadow and the steps They cast this this huge person that's coming and jayce even looks up like oh, what is this now? That he just hops his head in from the side Hello Um, I am a fan of heimerdinger in the game. So I was like, oh, there he is Whoa, there's a guy Did a great job of the voice acting as well Yeah, he sounds like the same from the game, but it's not the same guy I love how it's all like he's he's even kind of top heavy I love how he like he leans in and then he has to take several corrective steps to the right To kind of balance his old big head out and then he comes walking in It's like oh, well there goes the intimidation factor. It's our boy heimerdinger even the um See the the way the camera reacts to him. Um, it is as though the camera is expecting a big person Mm-hmm It's lined up the whole door and has to go down for him Uh, yeah, he's adorable. That's almost um, that's that's gotta be jesus pov really that you're seeing there Oh, yeah, um for sure. I just think it's it's it adds to the scene Well, yeah, I mean it's just i'm saying you're seeing it from um It's not necessarily where jesus eyes are but it's uh It's it's helping to capture how jace feels in this situation, right? Yes, I've got to be honest like Not knowing anything about the game like when this guy first made his entrance I had a pretty uneasy feel like a bit where the show was going. Oh just because um, you worry about how far it might go You know, I see elements and stuff Yeah, and just you know, obviously visually he looks a bit ridiculous, but then You know the the more you get to know the character Um, yeah, you would never think a guy like that with that kind of intro would then have like some really like Pretty serious heavy scenes Um, but yeah, they do it remarkably well um, I think the first thing he says is something like curious we Locked people up in cells physically, but their mind is free or something like that Maybe imprison the body, but the mind is free. But yeah, um, which is just a fun quote to think about First thing you hear from this guy uh yep And he seems very positive about this situation and he says like he comments on how he found jace now science is all about like improvement and the betterment, but also that uh You don't want it to hurt people like that's the point. Um, yeah, which is always a possibility.  Don't mention magic He'll probably only get a slap on the wrist very very optimistic about it Um But already with with with him You're seeing these like expressions as well and you're just like sweet. It's going into the weird alien characters as well Taking advantage very much so of his moustache his ears and his eyebrows Um, he's so expressive.  That's a yordle. He's a yordle Oh Teemo's a yordle as well, right? Yes. Yes. Yes. The yordle. I want to see his vibe Hey, jay, look up. There are just google Teemo Teemo Teemo He was in the show. Did you see it? Yeah, uh, there was a reference to him in the show. Yeah, he was in a storybook. Yeah. Yeah, he's cool Yeah captain Teemo on There's like a little scout.  Yeah, might be yeah. Oh, not even close at all Wait, who's the most hated now?  Looked.  It's honestly like really impressive because there's some very hated characters in that game A lot of people are saying gnar's there's not gnar. Sorry, uh Uh Yasuo, I remember Yasuo being hated a lot of it. Yeah, Yasuo and now his brother Yone as well Well, it depends.  Um, I want to bring up quickly The negative reaction to magic. I don't know if you're going to go into that too much because they do it in the show Yeah, um I did mention as part of his quote. He says don't mention magic Um, but obviously that's more indicative. He I can't remember if it's this scene or if it's a bit later that we discover his reasoning for Being so averse to magic. I think it's a bit later. I think it's a bit later. I don't think it's this episode I feel like it's a bit later.   I've heard a lot of a lot of compliments to her form the quick version being Yeah, it me too resembles A particular style of boxing but streetified um And so it really is worth noting fight choreography in this whole show is just really good Fantastic. It's it's actually amazing It's the and there's a lot of action in the show.   They do many particles in 2d animation They do motion blur light trails You know fire explosions lightning eventually in one of the fight scenes that we'll get to way later on Or later on it looks like they have a lot of fun in that fight scene the 2d animators. They just go all out Look at look at this bit just and keep an eye on your eyes doing those micro movements The super living, uh There's a shot and yeah, just super intense as well Um, also the quick flashes we get of this leaderboard in which she's got all the top scores except for two from claga So just the there's one thing is like it's it's a splendor to look at but it's also telling you something Pretty clearly and you've got on one of the main point scoring sort of elements It seems that powder is drawn a more monster fight vision of Milo as the target interesting Kind of interesting. Well, is this skipping ahead to talk about yes Oh Yeah, so this is another just great scene to give us a lot of information while Justifying it in terms of why they they're all doing this.  I imagine each time um Kind of took a vibe using the boxing machine as well It's like she's got all this like nervous energy in her that she's trying to expel You know that like she's on edge about everything that's happened And it's just like her way of dealing with it Absolutely. Yeah And if uh, how does face you lights up the Oh, yeah, very excited And um, if you look at the the drawing she's got on there as well very animated and pointed on story, but uh Yeah And again, just look at it.     They're so awesome. They feel like real human expressions.   She's still displeased by Milo Then they realize she keeps laying into her They realize that just outside some people are getting interrogated as to whether or not they know anything about the explosion And uh, the the guy spits on Marcus's shoe And so I think at first we're supposed to believe like, oh no, there's tension Brewing but then this happens Uh, I like I quite like that This gets thrown through the window.  I was like, oh, how unfortunate Um, but okay See how it goes. Um Vi quickly realizes that them being searched is bad because uh powder still got those gems on her um And so Milo doesn't know that he's like, you can search me. We got nothing. Yeah Um, but obviously it does the I think yeah, I think she signals clagga to turn the lights off and then she throws Um part of the machine that had Milo's face on it at the enforcer which is a fun joke because Uh, Milo tries to get in cover and use the little little pistol-y thing First and they just have this uh, I'll try to show it now. Yeah, no reaction, dude. It's like Here he goes It's beautiful just because of how hulking and buff they look and they're just Like why did you even try that? But then they hit those so that was cool.  They are It's not a ladder that he got and put there. It's a ladder that's like set it's um I'm just like jesus christ. Holy convenience batman.  It's just like oh And to be honest with you since it's so close to this place. They hang out all the time You would have thought vi would know about it um, yeah, actually Um, it's it's all it's all very close, but they just escape and I think we could all argue I think this is here to just make a tension scene for a moment You know like it's because it's not gonna time But I think well this this things you can draw out of it. They're important for character I just mean like why have an action scene right now when you don't have to It's like I think it's just to stimulate the audiences But Big thing that I take from it. Yeah, this is this is a huge important detail. Marcus pulls a gun on the kids Yeah uh It's clear that he gets pretty desperate, but um doesn't have the doesn't have the shot to take what we can tell He hates like crap out of the undercity it seems Definitely to the point where he'll shoot kids So I think the reason the scene is there is because in in like the In the meta plot the most important thing that's going on is the tension between the enforcers and like trying to solve the Explody mystery, but there isn't really that much that needs to happen between Like the end of episode one and the end of episode two. So I think they just kind of Needed to make it more present in the audience's mind that yeah, this is still going on I mean that that's what I assumed. I assume the thing is I think that's achieved by having the kids watching People getting beaten for information and stuff Um having them get chased and all that I think is a little bit unnecessary more so an indication that they were like Useful to have an action scene here Um, so is that what Chad said you're really stretching this more? It's like What I just don't think this again. Jesus. It's a television show with a lot to talk about I don't like I think this is interesting that um, they what is stretching it to be fair. I don't actually know They could be They could be talking about how it's not actually a flaw, but I think a bit too convenient Oh, by the way, moller, here's one of the like very obvious match cuts if you go back like 10 frames I suppose a nice comparison as well of a structure like that in The undercity versus. Oh, yeah, I see I didn't even realize those Yeah, I only noticed it because I was doing all this editing and after effects. I'd be like, oh Hmm It just keeps happening. There's like five or six that are that blatant That's pretty cool What's it do here? And I'm like, I don't even know if that's fair this time around with Billy costs an episode It's fine. It's fine. I I you know, we're getting there. So yes, uh, this is the Um, the symbol for the council chambers. I think right Oh, no, sorry. It's the it's the noxus symbol or our noxus the symbol of medada family Yes, and uh, I think she says I don't know what you think of this dialogue exactly, but it's definitely trying to get an idea straight away Someone just announces you are the richest person in piltover and she says yet the poorest medada So like that sums her up pretty quickly in terms of a motivation. Um And then she says we need something to put us on the map This entire scene annoyed me the first time I watched it and like by my fifth watch I was like, no, actually like everything that happens here is fine. I was actually gonna make that point I think it comes across as a little clunkier Before you understand fully that this is on her mind at all times Um, and that it makes sense that her little Helper would want to tell her Like the good news you are the richest person in piltover and then we get immediately It's like that's not really important to her. It's about what she means to her family Um Always compared against something else And she's toying with some uh devices and she says like is there any anything happening in this city that comes close to innovation?   I guess before because I Mel's design is like fantastic That I was yeah, I pointed that out when I was talking to someone I was like hurt. It's so good. It may well be I don't know if I want to say favorite quite yet, but it's one of my favorite character designs in the whole show It's It's it's pretty wonderful She's one of my favorite character designs in any show Her character designs incredibly good gold integration into the the color scheme.  I see it as more representative of their How Brideful and important they consider themselves and then she's sitting there as a little girl with a gun, which is A nice full juxtaposition. I suppose in a sense. Um, yeah, I think they're talking about, um You know the fate of jace Yeah, and they're talking about jace because they're there is patron Yeah, she intends so Caitlyn's mom is on the council and she intends to defend him at least somewhat because they've been patrons of sometime Um, and then we find out tensions are rising in in the last drop Obviously after what we just saw with the kids The we're getting a little tired of enforcers beating everybody around to get information They want when it wasn't anybody's fault down here You know, like it wasn't them specifically it was someone else blah blah blah So like they shouldn't be able to do this Banders trying to keep them all calm They did which is way too harsh for spit. I am oh Um, and that seems it's just yeah the the violence getting a little bit more out of control um Banders trying to chill them out, but this this is a lady who's like You uh, I think she she implies he's afraid and he says do I look afraid and she says you look weak? um This lady's name is savika yeah Isn't that one of the coolest names ever savika? and uh Savika is a cool name. I like it. Yeah And I wonder when she's gonna get added to the game She's gotta be she would be my first pick for people with potential to be added Well, yeah, there's no way she doesn't make it in at some point Yeah, especially given that seems to have gotten a really good risk then again, basically all the characters show everybody likes so um There's one very nice little contrast with there's one.  That's right. Yeah all up in her personal space I would argue. Yeah, this is supposed to represent a form of a change He we've seen him dissolve problems and when he spoke to grace and it seemed like that's his really good at it, but Uh, it doesn't work this time Uh, savika leaves with her people Yeah This is a problem. It's a problem very much so, um and uh Well, I found interesting as well. I can't remember which watch through I'll just say the subsequent is that Watching this unfold. It's not worrying any of our kid team. In fact powder says, oh come on Like the four of us could take on the enforcers the under city could like nail them It's just like damn nobody's really seeing like how this is gonna What can happen as a result of this instead? We're very much like egged on to do it um and there is Uh echo looking incredibly suspicious like he's holding on to some kind of secret And I want to highlight another expression he acts A powder walks off and vi is about to But she catches him doing that look in the corner of her eye So she takes a look And then out it just pokes out from the side Back of this out Like those eyes on vi the really suspicious and then hello. I'm also here Um But yeah echo tells them that he watched what happened. There's a deal. There's a nature of the deal and that um With that information then what's what's gonna happen next who knows? Um But we'll cut back to that we've got other scenes to do first Which is more scenes. I thought we did all of them now. It's um Weird guy who's one of the councilors birthday Um, he's quite interestingly designed as well.  I'm gonna cancel this Um, and yeah, he gets given that gift by mel and he's like fascinated by it. We'll come back to that And what are the other councilors eating duds, he's just like I got you this for your birthday.  Yeah Yeah, and how they don't actually care about each other Yeah They're just doing it so they can hold more leverage. It's already shown that uh mel is better at it than that guy for example um Yeah, uh, another thing I love about this is when jace is entering the room they're all like right here we go But heimating is excited to see him Just happy. Yeah I wonder what that tells us about heimating compared to the rest of the counselors. I wonder Mm-hmm I really like heimating. I I love heimating. He's such a great little addition to the like just having him there It's it's it's so wholesome Yeah, the thing of it was like having never seen the games or anything like that I just I liked him from the very moment that he set foot in that cell and then left He didn't say way too much, but he was always a very upbeat personality and he wasn't like always Too over scolding. He was reassuring. He was a comforting little dude He's just I liked him from the very start and he he he keeps going throughout It seemed like he has the ability to be too faced Uh, yeah, no, no, absolutely not. No What I uh, what I like What I like about this scene is that they have a problem to solve as a writer team That is we've got to get jace to talk about the magic even though He's explicitly been told not to and probably believes in that advice. So how do we do it? And it's like, well They have him say i'm sorry standard, then you have um german Uh confirming and he's a good guy And then him he's saying that from some response.  Did you make anything?  I'm trying to crack magic. It's like Yeah, having his work. They're right the timer thing is like you motherfucker. I want to tell you Feel like it's it's like the core disconnect between like a scientist and somebody who doesn't really understand Like it's a process You're working at things you're working at new problems. You don't necessarily know where you're going with it That's the process that guy doesn't care. What i was trying to highlight specifically though Was just that they managed to get him to say i'm making magic without it being arbitrary and and Causing trouble for him. He says it defensively. He's pushed. Yeah, he's pushed, isn't he?  He's passionate about magic. That's for sure.  What ain't worthless to him. It's really not worthless to him at all How infinitely frustrating that he had it under control, but some idiot's broke into his house and blew it up like Yeah So of course, he's just he's just mad at this entire scenario, especially with the repercussions of it You could say he's coping and seething Um, and yeah, so the scene takes an interesting turn when he starts advocating for the importance of his project And how magic can be used to benefit piltover and the one that he's cut off by is heimerdinger Doubting enough at him Heimerdinger is very severe Yeah, he's The rest of them are outclassed in this portion of the conversation by heimerdinger's frustration Which is he says that um, it's magic corrupts consumes and lays waste to civilizations Uh, and heimerdinger's a hater. He is a nice change.  It's just immediately going to communicate to basically everybody. Oh Oh, like, you know, it's kind of the thing of right when someone defies an expectation that's been set you pay more attention Sorry, that is anger right there It is anger. It's got this little fist clenched Yeah, that's that's as angry as this kind gentle soul can uh, can get Yeah, and when a kind gentle soul gets angry everybody pays attention Exactly, it's it's it's the whole thing of the the character who man a few words when he does speak you pay attention Because you set an expectation when you breach it just calls attention to that And we don't know why at the moment I mean he gives us reasons why but we don't we don't fully understand it I find him frustrating because he has a habit of saying this is bad. Don't do it, but doesn't elaborate at all He absolutely elaborates So this this scene he says that the danger of magic ultimately leads to civilizations being completely raised um And then in later scenes because I don't think this is a spoiler He just says like uncontrolled and untested science whether relates to magic or not is dangerous Which is true It's also worth pointing out that I like There's a there's a plot line. We don't need to go into too much detail But it has to do with science and magic, right?  It is playing with fire. Basically. Well, look at the image we're showing, right? Yeah, the closest analogy seems to be um nuclear technology, right Um, yeah, I think I think you could say so.  Um the I guess the Damn, I am explaining this very badly someone else Well, it's I'm just the examples that were uh that were brought up. It's it's nearly destroyed the like the world multiple times. Yep. Um nuke's have done that and it's um Well, it's not got to the stage where actual damage has been done But we've been very close to the uh brink of nuclear I can't actually say the word Nihilation Uh, it was like a button press away and it's like two guys decisions save the world on like Occasion, right? Yeah, uh, we've got there are city states that ban it in its entirety, right?   Yeah later, uh the pilter was created to escape the Room wars or the magic wars or some Yeah, the room was other conflict that really fucked the world Which I imagine we'll get more on as the show goes on Uh, because they they don't give us a lot of detail about in the season one Um, and yeah, so after that obviously the leverage uh, jace had pretty much gone and so his mum pleads for his life uh And to be instead of banished from like piled over entirely to just be sequestered to his family And to work on their like business and to just and not be allowed to pursue magic clients And yeah, that's that's uh, they vote in favor of that. He is never to set foot on academy grounds ever again. Um Which is some of the worst news he could possibly have Well, this is his life's work from his pov might that actually be worse than just exile like a Mm-hmm, you know You can stay here, but you can't do your life's work. It's like man Yeah, it's it's close to jamie lannister losing his hand just a little bit less permanent, but yeah It's of a similar magnitude People are mentioning in chat because it was the point that metal brought up about the frostbite that uh his mum's fingers Right Get a shot of that stick That's so great in terms of just a little touches Yeah, it's good stuff. Oh man, my birthday is over. Oh, I didn't notice that that is so That is based It's really good. It's a really good detail. They just use just it's like it's like I said if you don't if this is monitor 2 Uh content for you, you're gonna miss so much That's why we are causing so often to comment on so many little visual details Look how much praise we've delivered. We've not even gotten to the good ones according to like I personally think episode one's probably the weakest episode and that's not I mean, it's still good It's just not as good. It's slow boiling right now. That's what's going on here. It's slow boiling. Yeah Also, it's it's worth noting too. Mel gives the glare over to the guy She just gave a toy to which shows that her sway over many of the council members is in effect So a lot of what she decides Will influence a lot of other people's decisions. Yeah, I love the glare that she makes over to bearded man He saved him. Um, if you notice because she turned it from a 3 4 to a 4 3 By giving that something Something that's worth pointing out is that a lot of the council stuff Didn't make sense to me the first time through and some of it I was convinced it was just like bad writing And after watching the series two three times all of it makes sense But I think it could make a bit it could make a bit more sense on first watch through I don't think everything is communicated super clearly necessarily. I I wonder if you guys agree with that Well, I think there's just a lot that's easy to miss a lot of it is explained But you really do have to be paying a little closer attention because they're not going to just explicitly tell you what's going on You can miss things and that's not really poor writing. It's just subtle more subtle than we're used to Um, there is a distinction between like missed stuff stuff that you can miss because it's subtle and stuff that you can miss that Because it's just not communicated effectively and and it should be communicated to an audience more clearly, right? There is a distinction there. Sure. It's it's it's a it's a blurry line. I think yeah um But yeah, I like that They're each raising their hands pretty sternly, but heimading and raises it with like a smiling face Like there's a good This is a good show. Mm-hmm um Yeah, then we move over to uh Marcus has been called to meet with silco Uh Silco, this is the first scene again. Well, it's the second scene with silco, but we're just getting more lines from him He has a lot of good lines It says to to marcus you carry your chin so high you fail to see the opportunities below Yeah, that was a really, yeah, that's a great line um He's got loads of They just cut straight to whatever point he's making and dressing down other characters Silco is overrated. You can get banned for things like that. You gotta be careful Oh You push more than with a with a single sentence. That's a good character writing. Oh, yeah um Then we cut back to jace basically like Head as low as it could be in his room and I think the scene opens with a shot of like a photo Of him and his dad with a hammer or it's one of the shots anyway, but it's just like It's it's a nothing. Well, it's something to consider as a as a watch for the show But people are already fans of the game be like, oh little jace hold the hammer Yeah I don't believe he hasn't said that by now. It's such a fail No, I know he should say it because if he doesn't say it, how do I know it? You know, what I have to look at the screen And figure things out of my own. I don't look at the screen. I'm playing a video game. That's right. I have to wait Is uh, is this the scene where he scolds his mom? Well, um, I was It's one of the things I forgot to mention.   They're both well informed in their motives And yeah, and I think I want yeah, he says um, if my own family won't help me, I'll find someone who will Damn, yeah, which is just like jesus christ.  She just saved his life. Um And yeah, what's interesting is he says something like that. Who do we see next? victor And hymerding Oh, thank you hymerding They're packing away all of uh What remains of jesus research to be destroyed tomorrow?   Um Yeah, and he says no no no magic is far too dangerous in the wrong hands Uh, which wouldn't be enough to I'm just gonna say quickly that wouldn't deter someone like victor or jace because as far as they're concerned. They are the right hands Yeah, and and for hymerdingers perspective like the more likely it is to work the more justified it is in being destroyed And they don't even seem so sure of himself. So clearly he's been around, you know, like jason victor little weird for how long Jason victor don't have that context that they haven't seen firsthand what magic can do Yeah This is kind of a theme throughout this show, isn't it like you could say that the older generation are the ones who have Made the mistakes and are always trying to rein in the younger generation to try and caution them You know, don't make the same mistakes that we did and the younger ones are always that The idealistic ones the ones that think they can fix everything the ones that think they can Succeed where the previous generation failed and obviously you learn that they don't I wouldn't be surprised if um every warning hymerdinger gives in in these episodes is gonna be very relevant as the seasons go on. Yeah Well, I mean it already kind of is right. I mean there's a particular scene. It's pretty brutal Um, give it time and we move back over to silco and he's like you're looking at some big fishies He's like beautiful auntie yet. No one knows they exist which very much be interpreted And then especially with the response, which is their monsters. There's a monster inside us all His name is Derek. Yes Derek cut herself Um, and he's trying to convince decades to take this potion and he's like nah, man I think he says at one point it'll kill me or something like that and he says, um Real power doesn't come to those who are strongest fastest or smartest It comes to those who will do anything to achieve Definitely getting inside silk goes head a little bit Yeah, not to mention he ain't just talking about the purple stuff um So the last we saw of uh, oh well he only takes the the thing at that point decades Suppose we'll see of what comes of that But coming back to jace when he said he was going to go and find someone who will help him he ends up at katelin's house And uh, he's basically banned Um, he manages to talk to katelin briefly and she says like what are you gonna do and he says I guess I'll join the hammer business He says you can't do that.   He's the crazy guy Yep um This was this was a very uh has been an already a very bizarre way to approach talking about a subject So I don't believe the fact that drinker will now have to go. Um Uh I'm sorry. I wish I could stay longer especially because like you're you're getting to the the good bits. No Oh, yes, I know damn it. Everyone's excited. Yeah, it's all right. If I I'll come back in tomorrow morning when I When I get up You'll yeah, no worries. Probably reached episode three by then. Well, yep The awkward thing is like I would say like well, do you want to get anything out? You want to say about the show now? I was like, well, it's probably going to be stuff that I'll want to talk about in about eight hours from now Yeah Maybe uh, yeah, I wouldn't spoil anything but uh, yeah If you'd rather because like I was going to say people gonna want to hear what you think of arcane And maybe a little bit more detail in the video. So if you want to do a stream about it I'll happily join you if you want to do a quicker conversation regarding like the characters or the main plot line and stuff I think we could do that. Um, I mean we're gonna be doing a bit of a stream tomorrow night anyway, so I don't know if we could Segue into that at some point. Yeah, we'll work something out anyway. Absolutely. Well, thank you anyway for for joining us And um, I'm glad we could talk about something that we read like we do it every once in a while And it's We do like things. It's great Yeah It's just guys Man there's only eight of us. Do you think we'll be able to do it? I don't know, man. No, that's that's one of us per one of us per hour.  He's currently dealing with something I'm not sure what but we can't guarantee how much he will be saying You're in there. You may see a certain doggo Whereas rags is safe. Is he all right?  We'll turn it upside down We'll find him and it shocks Grayson Obviously expression wise and then as she gives her answer She like moves the sort of be in front of of him and counter what he's saying Which I think he like he says he's gonna like turn it upside down But then she says we've conducted several investigations frozen half of their commerce With respect. Have we not pushed them hard enough? like The two different mindsets being so clearly illustrated Yeah, the escalation versus escalation Yeah, um And of course, I think she's described him earlier as being someone who uh Is like green or need to just just this is young foolish and stuff. But um, The techno union leader Does anyone get nice? I figure Theo's probably the only one that's gonna get that Yeah Yeah, he like demands a more like A fist of to be done and Marcus is clearly inspired by what he says Like, yeah, that's the correctest approach A couple people would not get it Would you say so? Yeah, what's his name? Rob, what's his name? What's Rob's name? Yeah, does he have a name or is he just a side? He's techno union man techno union. That's it. That's just it. All right. That's fine. I'll call him Rob though I don't really I don't really know what his deal is Okay, well, I just wasn't sure if maybe he was a character that I wasn't privy to because I'm not a league player So I'm just gonna call him Rob. I don't know what's going on with him I love the design but uh So techno union is is a faction in the prequels There's a robot man who this reminds me of who leads them Uh, that's all I got for him That's my insight on this character I call him 3p on my notes.  Yeah, yeah, exactly Moller, we also skipped a scene. That's actually kind of important Oh, did we now which one? Uh, basically Jayce walks up to the Kieraman estate. Oh, yes, we didn't talk about that. We definitely did not talk about that Go ahead. What did you think of it? Wait, did we did we talk about that? Yeah, we talked about that. Am I stroking out?   Well, you didn't say what I was gonna say so I can I can say that anyway um that so Caitlyn's like probably Caitlyn's main Motivation or arc or whatever is sort of trying to resist nepotism and become her own person And a lot of that is resisting. We don't know anything about Caitlyn right now Well, I that's what that's what I that's why I'm saying is because this is the first time it's you start to see it established This time she caves but in the future she fights back stronger and stronger as things go on We're not in the future. Yeah, we're in the press. Yeah So just for FYI the idea of the way we're trying to do it. I don't care hugely It's just I think beneficial. So you'd be like it seems like Caitlyn gives in to the instruction despite the fact that she's invested in Jace But she seemed hesitant at the time which is interesting Um, okay, it's one more time and I'll tell you that's the way that we do it. Yeah Um, uh, thank you skip to sit and I was I was gonna say what you said I was like really I'm going through just chronologically.   It's funny because like Marcus is so I guess ignorant of how a lot of things work is that I would be like, dude Be careful.   Oh, yeah Like he's really considering this at this point well, absolutely because the his His uh people are getting more and more restless and so a pilt over so something's gonna someone's gotta give Um, yeah, yeah, they go and inspect it. Uh, luckily everybody's Hiding someone said from silco spoilers. So they've already had a scene where he and silco made a deal of some kind Um, I don't think he's spoiling anything at this point to say that he's probably gotten information from silco Otherwise, why would he have directly come to vanda? other than Sort of vague assumption. I guess that works. It's just that I assume it's because silco has pointed that direction Yeah, silco pointed him in that direction because um, he got that information from uh Shadwick or whatever his name is who's a monster now Yeah, yeah in the first episode deck deck it mentioned that the kids were um involved because they because Silco sent Deckard to uh monitor the kids as they were doing their heist. So now silco mentions it to um officer man I'm bad with names. I'm sorry, but All right So now officer man having dealt with the kids by running into him in the arcade knows who they are that they're with vander So in that all so in all those turn of events and everything now Yeah, and he's he thinks he's one very convinced Uh, but they they all have hiding spots. Um, one of them almost doesn't work out He slips, but it's okay and um Even vanda, he had marcus takes his pipe and drops it into his drink. He has to be like He's a little dingus. I'm a shitter. Yeah, um But vanda keeps his cool No Nearly loses it when marcus alludes to the fact that he's been talking to silco Yeah Because you weren't always the something I can't remember You weren't always a peacekeeper Like vanda gets all up and then fist on the table.  That's all Oh, that's well, that's the literally the netflix thumbnail. Yeah. Yeah, I'm that's fine It's jinx the character from league of legends. You'll be okay. You'll make it Um, yeah, there's literally the cover of the show like that. You can't watch the show on netflix without seeing that image Well, the netflix is spoiling it all We hate them Yeah I've lost my place No, it's that to be fair though. You can't watch uh midnight mass on netflix without seeing the um, I guess Because I don't want to spoil it. You can't see you can't watch that without seeing the uh antagonistic supernatural thing being Um, and I'm like that feels like a spoiler to me.  No one wants to speak anymore. Look, they're all silent Yeah, I'm just gonna go now.  Can we kill them now? And vanda's like, dude No, okay.  We saw what they did. I grew up with less than them I want powder to have more than that Obviously very very motivated uh And then I think he just like pretty harshly explains your parents would be alive if not for fighting the top-siders Who you willing to lose Milo clagger powder No one wins in war When the scene opens on the characters as well like the first shot of I I'm pretty sure you can hear her remembering explosions from From that thing or that might just be the thunder like giving that pressure No, I I think it is Which one? the two Which one do you think it is? No, I mean, I would do what I think it is Pretty sure it's explosions Yeah, I'd go with that the the sunda like Yeah, it could just be triggering the memory, you know um Yeah, we've also got this shrine for uh, all the people who would have died sitting here as well The bit like it's not like glorious Almost rudimentary, but like that's exactly how you'd expect it to be. It's been so long and just it's just something that people want to respect I suppose all the lies a lot um But yeah, uh, that's the major point he gives her is the essentially like what your advocate for is what I did Back in the day and it's what brought us together in the first place like Your obsession with wanting to take them out. Are you who you're willing to sacrifice for that exactly? And I I think it's just stuff that Vi hadn't properly considered It seems that a lot of the people on both sides assume immediately that they'll win And it'll be great Um, but definitely Something for her to think about and it's just a really good vanda scene Vanda's neat That is a cool dude um Then we get It's arguably pretty heavy scene. Uh, jace is Basically Not very happy. He's lost his whole reputation Standing with his like friends uh his ability to study conduct scientific stuff As well as exploring magic like with with a lot of backing so um Is even um that cuff that he's been wearing with the stone embedded in it that that guy gave him is sitting just Dismissed on the table, which is it means so much to him already.  Uh, lost what gave his life meaning sort of thing but uh Turns out, um Just before he would have done this someone who was interested from what he saw with heimerdinger has arrived at his house To ask him further question It was am i interrupting? Yeah Great um, so yeah, uh, obviously victor's just intrigued by everything that he's seen And uh, I think jace even questions Motive or at least his interest and and and how it relates to everything and he describes himself as uh Like I think he gives him a sense of motivation. He says he's poor crippled from the undercity without any benefits of a patron Simply believes in himself I and he says I think you're on to something Man, what a great what a great fantastic character we might have Who knows really we're not you know, we've seen so little of him, but I mean the future is is is interesting He might push him off in a few seconds. We don't know. Yeah And uh, yeah, I think victor uh jace is like, oh What are we gonna do and he's like Because of all the restrictions I have and he says if you're gonna change the world you don't ask for permission I enjoy quite a line from victor from victor. Yes I'm a big fan of the uh back and forth between them at the start of the scene Where like victor mentions You know the fact that jace signed all of his notes and he's part of that being a little bit egotistical Because that's drawn from what their dynamic is is like from the games lore originally Uh And it's represented well here and that victor like jace asked if he's here to insult Victor seems almost like surprised by that. He's like, well No, I'm here about the work because all that matters to victor is the work As opposed to all of the extraneous other shit that comes alongside Yes, when you're involved with a project like this Key difference between the two Um And yeah, so for for just show fans the the scene ends normally with him being like man You know, if we're gonna be working together, what is your name? He says victor easy But for games people who haven't picked up who he is yet like Oh I guess You look at him and it's like that's him I would argue that yeah, it's gonna be like two years until they get more content from this They may as well join the train of what people who play the game know Victor in the game is very different than what you see in the show But he's not different in the sense that they've adapted him to be a different character He's different in the sense that oh shit. We're seeing him when he's really early on Mm-hmm. Yeah, this man has places to go. I looked up how what he's like in the games. Oh boy. Yeah Yeah He's getting there dude the way he looks in the game. I think when you've only seen the two episodes you'd be like, huh? I don't understand like what and Honestly for those who are just like trying to figure out how any different ways they could do it It's just exciting because you're like, oh, maybe this happens Oh I have my theory. So what's gonna happen? I guess well immediately. Um at the beginning of Season two and for him But wait, well, we've talked about it Uh, a couple of times this this is the thing. I think a lot of us from what I understand We'll be very excited to watch this as it is Uh, the suit in second season and because it's Netflix. We get it relatively quicker than a lot of other shows would be At least in release I love waiting a week for every Boba Fett episode. It really lets me save in the series You know what? It's nice actually that we we can just calm back down from the cringe. This is like and look It's nearly over home stretch one more week. Yeah, that's it And then never again except until season two comes Well, no until the Obi-Wan show. I don't know. Yeah, that's next, isn't it? Yeah Yeah, I don't believe they would make a book of Boba Fett season two. I guess we'll see Who knows? Yeah, they don't know what to do with him. So there should be like a book of someone else maybe That's the Star Wars variety show Whoa Book of Boba Fett season two with no Boba Fett just like So kind of like a third of season one then Yeah, literally what a bizarre show that like we just it's called the book Of Boba Fett and he's just like basically absent for two out of the seven episodes And nothing to do with him. We're all about Mando Um, what a whatever anyway arcane The most we I don't know what it says about us that we randomly tangent for talking about how good arcane is To how bad book of Boba Fett I think it says more about book of Boba Fett to be honest I think it says the we see them as a representative of a scale Yeah Um, but yeah, uh when when he says his name that's the beginning of a relationship potentially Yeah So, um the next scene begins with Vi going to see powder Which is Interesting considering what we just saw in terms of like I wonder what she's up to she's holding the bunny That she talked about before that was stuck upon Those those wires Um and the first thing I think she Is from powder is I made these for the enforcers two are filled with smoke two are filled with nails Yeah Okay, okay come down your psycho jesus the thing is after the conversation. She just had with vanders It's like looking at her face when she announces that she's like Oh Okay, good job Important um, obviously she's impressed with the ingenuity and the passion but she's like Clearly starting to accept the fact is like, oh right.  They're just acting like Yeah, you're so cute Um And yeah, she says How to what makes you different makes you wrong Something that's definitely gonna stick with it As she's walking off though by How to Is picking something up like something's wrong I especially would have thought that's worth pointing out with the fact that she's got The bunny.   What's going on? Wait, uh, maybe it's not too late And then they play the song, uh, I really like this one. I don't know if anyone has any different thoughts to give I'm a fan. I never remember the songs because I don't actually know what song this is Is this the one where like imagine dragons appear on the screen? No No, no, that's later. Like absolutely Oh, no, yeah, this is the this is the one that's like, um, it's quite a modern song and it's like actually diegetic in the setting, right? Yeah Playground first. Yeah diegetic technically as well because it fades into the background and it's just coming from the scene Yeah, this is one of my three favorite scenes in the show. I think it's it's like spectacularly well made the incorporation of music and like sound design and pacing it's it's just brilliant Like it narratively isn't that important to need so much of an emphasis, but I don't know. I like I've never I've never once watched the scene and not gone back and immediately rewatched it Um, the name of the song our love or something like that. Yeah, it's our love Um Yeah, so powder's pretty depressed She I think she's aware of what's happening. Vanda figures it out after getting her a drink But like everything seems pretty chill right until he realizes that and it's intercut with someone breaking into benzos And then the enforcers coming And I think a lot of people will be able to put it together that vai has taken the uh Little capsule thing And she's giving herself up which to be fair she is the most responsible in a sense for what happened And she obviously believes if she gives herself up goes to prison for this, uh, it'll solve the tension Taking responsibility, which I think is also incorporated through her describing the bunny being up in the in the thing as a bad day And thus her taking it down is her taking responsibility to create a good day Um, or at least undo the bad day and like this is this is what needs to be done is the right decision sort of thing. Um Shows a lot about it good good good And then the final thing that happens in the episode is the people come through the door and she's shocked Now if you know that she's expecting enforcers you'd be like wait, but why are you shocked? What happened?  He's gone rags is gone. I mean Yeah, not much happens in episode three It's just kind of a down episode. Hello. It's I was gonna say hello Matt and I we're the the b-team efat posts Are you gonna be talking about episode four because nobody wants to talk about episode three, okay Yeah, so three isn't like a masterpiece of filmmaking or anything to summarize they all Are happy Yeah Race and chain with ice cream. Yay Hey, Jay.  Oh, that's even better Hello Imagining like someone calling out for the cum team to help come and like arrive and help He don't call out for the cum team.  You don't you don't have to specify, but does anyone have a favorite episode that is an episode three Uh, I like the consensus second to last episode number eight Really? Seven or nine. I was about to say seven and nine in my backups to Hmm. Yeah, I would say three and seven a big fan of four Nobody likes you Jay who's using four No, I like a lot of what's in four as well. That's the problem for me. I really don't like the show in terms of episodes Except I'll give it to three. I do think of it like that, but I think of it in scenes There's so many scenes I adore and sometimes I forget which ones they're even from Yeah, well, let's think about three is I think three and one are the only ones where it's basically like one plot line It's very cohesive, especially like the last I want to say 25 to 30 minutes is basically one unit of action Maybe that's wrong, but it feels that way. It's very Very well put together So anyway, you guys want to talk about episode three Fine Why not? Why not? So we don't we don't open on By or vander or powder we open on silco doing a monologue Very fucking deliberate Browning the story of opposites is a piece in water That in and all your problems will fade away Then there's this thing in your head and it's raging fight survive The question lingers Had enough This might be a little bit unclear for people who are just watching the show that this is even silco because you know Sometimes you're not even remembering exactly who and what everything is you're sort of taking it in But obviously he's our bad guy And he's talking It's likely going to be about why he's a bad guy Um no, he's morally gray Sure You can pretty much get the idea that it's silco based on the fact that his left eye appears to be gone in like a quick blink Yeah, he's got well, it's it's really well done He's got this it's a more idealized version of himself. I guess falling in the in this vast ocean alone But then it like Intercuts there's this thing Raging and his eye is cut and his blood going all over the water Christ Yes, it's the point he's making about Juxtaposition of drowning at least from his POV. I can't imagine taking much solace at all in drowning um, I really really love it because I feel like You can fit everyone around him into this Analogy he's drawing like I think through silco's eyes vanda like drowned He just closed his eyes and let it in Because he didn't give he didn't fight I was gonna bring that up about halfway through but I think all the pieces are there, right? Well, yeah, uh, we just set them on the table, right? And then you point to him. So that's what he's talking about um It looks like someone's not being weak He's someone's slashed his eye and the water itself Looks a lot more discolored than would have been caused by just blood as in Thumbs up with the water.  I was like, I feel like there's enough here to gather that's probably him that's doing it Mark is saying he spoke to an old friend of vanda's and the way vanda reacts Yeah, they probably knew each other which Leads you then.  Like this wasn't what I was expecting. I was expected to be so much more chill But um Yeah, like it's quite dark. Well having that image alongside the thank you old friend when talking about what it means to drown I was just like what are we this isn't at all A league of legends tv show as I would have expected it, but I'm not Yeah, I expected like some like too much marvel-esque like lightheartedness out of this when I was first thinking about it Nope That's the thing man. I think one thing you could definitely say that's in this that isn't in a lot of mainstream stuff is Is just the best kind of edgy and I think we describe it as having teeth is what Theo said earlier Yes, that's apt marvel. Disney products do not have teeth. They never will They can't make anything happen that can shock an audience with how well it was created and how realistic or raw it can be It's always going to be chill Yeah, it's kind of interesting actually because like the the main comparison I draw from the series is to marvel films and the only marvel film in my opinion At least of the ones I've seen that even comes close to arcane is infinity war I think I think I don't I don't know whether arcane is better than infinity war or not I'd have to go back and re-watch it, but it probably is Timothy walls got a lot of own problems Yeah, but like it this is basically what I want from marvel films that you just are never going to get I Agreed So we begin with realizing it's actually benzo and vanda that have come for vai and Your decision has pushed vanda to make a decision which is to lock her in Benzo's like basement while he gives himself up Which should solve the problem and also protect her which is his main concern here. He's uh The stability of the undercity will likely be threatened with him gone But he believes benzo should be able to at least account for most of that The fact is he can't choose that over vai Which I think is very important to think about as to what it means for his character and I think it's informed by the prologue He's he feels responsible for them and the lives that they've lived Yes Um Yeah, and so Grayson's like what the fuck like you can't be serious And uh, he basically says that this is the only way to protect the others Uh to to vai sorry and he says you've got a good heart.  And like he says that And Grayson is like what? Because she knows exactly what he means. I think uh I'm saying it is even confusing.  Yeah Because uh him being gone means Uh a lot obviously Probably the fact that they're probably on good terms just in general I imagine the friends to some degree, but uh him giving himself up is huge Because they have their goals aligned. They're of the same mind above and below So without him here down below Who the fuck's gonna feel those shoes Exactly, but uh, he makes it clear that that's what's happening So they eventually run with it Um And then I think we switch to vise pov Where she's yelling Obviously it won't make a difference because they're all aware she's in there. They're just There's a different deal happening um But then blood splatters across the the window, which I don't know if I'm afraid of anybody else, but for me I was like, whoa, what are we doing? I was like jesus christ Mom And so already because I already I just I was aware of episode three's reputation.  I guess this is what people mean is that people start dying then which to be fair. Yes Um, maybe not in the way that you thought um The blood being this was pointed out by actually the um the video one of the videos that mean for me watched But um, it's just something I didn't think about before having it pointed out The blood splatter makes the whole room red Um for the remainder of the scene when it was tinted different. It's just a nice Lighting choice that they made. Uh, oh, yeah a bit spookier for I though Unfortunately Grayson has been killed Yep, which is um, yeah, and it's a shame uh in some ways just because I really liked it and she was a really cool character to have in this world But narratively this serves a lot um and well rip the sheriff of piltover and I have to see what happens as a result of that too but yeah, uh, we see all this left is marcus and benzo And vanda and I think we even see vanda sees that she's dead and does a big old no Uh, letting us know he did care about it. He's not happy. She's dead. It's just good to make sure you take care of that. Um So I thought I would be annoyed But um silco arrives And they can't resist having him arrive in a way that's much more interesting than just him being there. Can they?    What are you doing?  I thought it was gonna be warwick because of the violence But then when they showed this shot I was like, oh is that dr. Mundo? Um, but no it's neither they this just Shimmer bro Yeah Shimmer is the substance. Yeah. Yes.  I think Literally vaded him That line is so awesome in the empire Empire is a cool film. I don't know if you guys have seen it Um, and one of the coins drops out which Oh Beautiful.  This is what you want.  They still have that relationship Marx is just like hyperventilating as this scene is playing out as well I think the fact that he's left standing there powerless by events outside of his control is very important to him going forward yes So that's um that's a scene Definitely changing up things and there's just so much that's not quite understood yet. Like why why is everyone getting killed?  That's what's going on for For that side of things Which we're gonna get to what it means. I suppose um, but for now in his ruin department victor and jace are working together with Bit tons of notes in a blackboard to figure out what it is about hextech or rather The the stuff he has already how can they control it? Make it useful in some way and they I think they utilize it Yeah, I think they believe they've cracked it But it's it's very different to have it cracked on paper than it is to have it cracked my rl and um I think uh, there's there's a line. I appreciate where victor implies they'll go and break in to take it and then jace is like Like what about you? Because like this is you know, I don't think jace feels like he has much to lose But victor's got his whole career Yeah, because victor is the assistant of heimerdinger. So he's uh, he's a pretty high position. I would say actually And then victor says your heimerdinger prediction Your hextech dream has the potential to help people and then he says our hextech tree Which is Using wow what a cock communist Yeah, he says it to the russian too Oh my god But no good shit good shit um I would say um This isn't really much of a point at all But I do really like the vibe of just jason victor working together on science stuff That could be a whole show and happily watch it Jason victor's adventures in science land Watching people watching just good characters work together on science stuff can be so rewarding I think I think it is uh It is emblemat when your characters are good you can kind of have them doing anything And as long as I understand who they are and what they want and it's all lining up I can be really interested in what there are Like what they're working on even if it's like them stuck in traffic You can have like a story that's interesting if the characters are well written enough That feels like uh, I'm gonna write that down Work on the stuck in traffic bottle It's the episode Good god. Thank goodness you wrote that down imagine forgetting the great idea of two people in traffic You can make it work. All right, I didn't say you couldn't Like we've been like two people walking down the street. I could make that work Freeing you I can tell you there's an episode about numbered based on that premise. Fuck. That's okay That's okay. I'll make mine with blackjack and everything that'll make More impressive and cool Sorry, what was I talking about Well Echo uh For the whole thing being that he's Benzo's lad gets by out of the room And no, it's not the full episode for him. It's just like the first half Okay, okay, all right Uh How's it that he followed where they took Vanda If anything it is is useful for the writer in that. Um, we already know that that's something he does And that means that they'll know where silco and vander are now and just expressions once again or Mr. Echo who has lost someone who I think he'll be safe to assume as a father figure Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, it's pretty much all he had a rough beginning um Yeah, obviously, it's just uh, it's real tough, but there's no time really to be doing the grieving go to go to get an action to help vander Um Oh, yeah, so now now we're at the point where silco and vander have a conversation that is super important To understand a lot of stuff And I think it opens so that the name of this episode is the base violence necessary for change and Think he says Yeah, because I think he says to vander thought of the scene Um, the base violence needs for change, but topside won't listen to anything else um And I probably take this opportunity to point out something about the way they filmed this show that I can't remember who it was that I was talking to But uh, this was the scene I was looking at when they said it and so now I've associated it with A scene that has evidence of such things, but the camera is far from flat It like There's loads of techniques being used such as Following particular people and changing the angles or uh, unfocusing and focusing Depending on what what the action is following um Quick camera movements ones that connect to other events and then just like a subtle shaking like all of these different efforts when It gives the impression that this wasn't you had a frame you drew and you had another frame This this was like everything was created and then the camera was uh Everything was thought about in terms of what we see a lot more than a lot of other sort of shows slash movies would do There's a lot of vision in it Yeah, there really is a ton of different techniques and the camera is never in a boring angle Everything is really well thought out in terms of this stuff Yeah, because the depth that's created through Uh doing what they've done, which I'm assuming wouldn't just come with Like it's something that you have to force with the work that they're doing So anyway, uh They have a talk I think van der says People are gonna die And why for pride and silco says for respect the way like His the tone with which he says that Like I don't know how to describe it, but it's almost like offended that he thinks it's as small as just pride. No, no, no, no We are we are not a respected Like division in this In this uh society Yeah, we are we are trodden on That's what's it's it's what's the issue here Like he seems insulted that he thought it was just pride Yeah, and and with how the dialogue often works in this show, it's it's Characters are actually listening to what they each other say and respond accordingly But van der says you had my respect But I think he says like So that wasn't enough for you the respect of like all the undercity, but that wasn't enough um Then he says we shared a vision for the entire underground united the nation of zorn Betrayed me and uh Then van der says I've never forgiven myself Which prompts him to talk about Um What it like means to silco, but this is what I was talking about earlier He says um, can you imagine what it's like as the river toxins mix in with your blood and eats through your nerves So I assume that's what's happened to his face Explains the eye and the scarring I suppose because uh A lot of people I saw questioning. They never explained silco's eye And I was just like I don't think it's that complicated. I think it's literally just it's infected And uh, he bleeds it every once in a while Yes, because of all the shit in the in the water they have down there. It's like toxic and everything so it gets In there. I don't think he's bleeding. He's injecting a small dose of shimmer into his eye Yeah Is it I thought he was yeah to let stuff out because it's goes down his face Now he has to shoot it with shimmer Otherwise he's wasting half of it. We see a visual representation of it and I believe episode Four or five and four. He does it and then there's a little bit of the stuff goes down his idea a little bit of purple Yeah, yeah, exactly Little bit of a look. All right. It's not goo. Okay. Just because it's liquid doesn't mean it's good You don't own all I'm just I'm protecting the goo from you. You're trying to take it Fringy is the goo fighters I'm not no, I'm just I'm just stating the fact that just because it's liquid doesn't mean it's goo You're trying to say that shimmer is goo. Yeah, I'm just saying it's not It's not that simple And then you got really mad for some reason I mean you would have wanted to have been defensive immediately because we said I was just saying We know who's actually mad. He's pretty clear. Yeah, he is paid by the goo lobby.  Oh, yeah There is no code for seething here The only people seething are the people who said something incorrect and then got really upset when they got Hey, man, we could have easily just moved on saying goo, but you couldn't let it go my friend Look, it's not my fault that I think that accuracy is important. Okay. I just think we should be accurate and out Wait, what is what is the distinction between goo and and whatever it is? Um, yeah So I feel like the simple way to think about it is goo is a liquid But not all liquids are goo if you get it Sure, but why is no sorry I didn't help at all How does it not help? I'm just saying Okay, goo. Yes goo is a subset of liquid. What's the distinction? Um, I think I think when we talk about the properties of goo goo was a little bit, um I feel like firm isn't the right word to describe a liquid like it's it's uh It's denser Yes, I think I think that's probably probably the word I'd be looking for So inadequate viscosity, okay Essentially. Yeah, so I would say that shimmer has inadequate viscosity to meet the threshold of goo That's not shimmer Oh, wait, what we're talking about the the stuff that was going on Almost that goo I heard I thought it was partly shimmer coming out of his eye, you know, the which isn't The thing in well, I guess it's a comp it's it's composed of both shimmer and whatever's in his eye Well, it's just river toxins. I don't know that we should call that shimmer So no, no, no, I'm referring to he's shooting shimmer into his eye with that needle Yeah, and then the liquid I thought he it comes out of him though I thought he was bleeding it because it I'm assuming it's an infection that gets worse and worse until you like In the same way that you can do that with a tooth, you know What you think you bleed shimmer? Yeah, because I think that device doesn't have anything in it other than a needle to bleed Yeah, I'm pretty sure that the whole point of the device is that it does have shimmer in it because he goes All yeah whenever he gets injected like everybody does when they take shimmer I assume that's because he's really foopy stabbing himself No, no, no, no, no, no, no. He's he's doing the shimmer flume. That's what he's doing He's doing the shimmer flume because I go purple whenever he injects it into there Yeah, and not to mention orange. Yeah. Yeah, not to mention like there will be a scene later on that makes it even more obvious That he's shooting shimmer and we'll get to it. We'll absolutely get to it But we're pretty sure he's shooting shimmer into his eye to basically keep his eye together from not going crazy Exactly. Yeah, it's not like he's just releasing liquid. He's injecting it into his eye In a small quantity.  And so he has to beat it. He injects shimmer No, no, no, he's injecting shimmer into Vicks's eye And then he has to keep doing that Yeah, I mean, it doesn't make a difference. But yeah Um, it does to the discussion that we're having about what's coming out. Nope Yeah, it does. No, no, it doesn't make a difference to the story No, I know it doesn't make any difference to the story, but we're talking about the uh, We're gonna be angry. No, that's what's exactly if we're gonna be absolutely But I'm just saying it doesn't change my view of the story at all Yeah, no, I wasn't trying to change your view of the story But you I was just correcting you. I didn't say you were why are you so defensive? You're okay. We're gonna be fine You have to keep standing that it has nothing to do with the show I'm stealing the goo. He's gonna steal your goof ring. Red goo. Nobody's gonna steal it. It's mine. It belongs to me There's some kind of molla cope. It's like what's happening See, look at that cope. Look at how it's happening. What is even happening? I don't know You're coping. I don't know but you get really upset about it It says the big goo associated like wow. Everything has to be goo with you Can we talk about the person who went to trungos? No, well, I don't have the photo if you have it I can't wait to see this timestamp the timestamps are gonna be like Freaky freaks out about goo Well, yeah, well someone said goo to me is what hextech is to jay. So I wouldn't describe it quite like that But it's an important part of my work among other things Pringies stabilize the goo Oh, it's goo important to witch doctors. I need goo tech stones plague doctors, but uh, yeah I know it's it's uh, it's not. I don't know if it's important to all plague doctors, but it's definitely Definitely something we're working on Yeah, yeah, but we don't need to talk about that. Um, so what scene are we up to? He was Super chair one of them says if you have an eye infection that's so bad you have to regularly bleed it Why not just remove the eye that dude's a zero on a 10 character?  He says kill me if you have to but spare the lanes Because you'll die for the cause but you won't fight for one Yeah, it's just an interesting thing to think about a lot of stuff. He says you just sort of sit there for a moment Like, huh? Yeah. Hmm.  I'm gonna try right now quick orange That's offensive to charlie. We're gonna make him watch book of boba fair Take take that back Looking through this bit again just after Silco stands up And walks away and the music kicks in I noticed something about the music that's um like A real deep pull from league of legends, but I can't really talk about it at least until the episode is over Hmm. All right Yeah Uh, what I appreciate is that as he's been dragged off The vika is in the background. So one just confirming she's working for silco fully, but also she doesn't look very happy I'm sure she's a bit conflicted about all of this But uh, she very she very rarely looks happy True Yeah, I there's a photo of someone having been to trung goes.  I'll be necessary.  I say break in they're using keys, but you have to do four Um, wait a minute.  I love it. Um But yeah, this is playing in from she has an interest in jace likely kept an eye on him and so she's To a degree already under her notice, I wouldn't say control just uh And they basically she says if you get one night you can make something happen That's the time And uh, she distracts a guard for him Like, hmm Mel seems to be kind of on their team uh And she says to the old man Another late night, so I assume that it's not uncommon for her to be here I think you might be fair for to be like why didn't security guards expect something They see each other here Um Which brings us to vie getting home And uh, obviously the it was interesting for me because like uh It's a very it's it's opened as a chill scene where they're all just doing the thing and then she walks in and I was like, oh Fuck yeah, of course, because she's just seen all of that shit from the the opening um How do you tell them about it? and um Obviously just wants to get them set up Let's talk about reactions again Look, I'm trying to resist. All right.   Um And while that's happening, they're like, all right, then uh powder starts packing up their um gadgets And I think Vi realizes and she's like not happening because This is like a real situation. This isn't one that we have the room to fail on which, um kind of In a dynamic sense puts powders belief that vi Felt strongly about her abilities That rest now it's like we'll know because when things are actually mattering The um, there's no you can't come because you're not ready The look on powders face when she says i'm you're not ready like She's just because all vi is ever done was build her up over and over and over again despite her mistakes And now this is the one time. She's like, okay, you know what you're not ready.  Um, oh really now of all times you bring that up I just found it. I scrolled so far through the efat podcast chat um Yeah, because all i'm trying to do is get the uh the reaction up for for chat See because they don't they don't have the the clear view right now uh Yeah, I I guess i'm just trying to make clear how much this means and um It's uh, you can even tell from vi's reaction to powders reaction that she may have overstepped a little bit there Um, and she wants to try and make it comma, but the point is like she needs to know she cannot come because this could Fuck everything up. Um She's she makes mistakes. She's not ready. It's one to take that in but How it would have seen vi as her rock. So this is a lot for to consider um But yes, let me she just doesn't want powder in danger as well Absolutely. Yeah, this is this is way too serious and everyone could get hurt You know it to be fair. She probably wouldn't even want to have to use clagger Milo and even herself, but like it's just What's got to be done because they're the ones that can make the difference Uh, this is the trungo's picture everyone look Food in a glass Not only does person go to trungos apparently they also got one of the waitresses to join the discord server the efap discord server I don't know how that would have happened like hey So trungo's waitress. This is podcast I imagine that they mentioned it was why they were there right and you start talking about it I can't because you guys give an endorsement unimaginably awkward It did you guys endorse trungo's or what what is trungo's let's start there a restaurant. Yes, it's a restaurant. Oh, it's a restaurant in virginia That's incredibly popular because called trungos Yeah, that's a good name It has a stomach Like Well, yes, not a bit shit, but kind of I mean not for money. We just found out there was a restaurant called trungos and spent 20 minutes talking about it at the beginning of the last efap Okay Is there anything else you'd like to say about this image?  Um, it sounds like jade does not have anything else to say Uh, there's another little bit in the scene in terms of camara work I think it's when vias trying to describe what happened um She like lenses her fist and uh how to spots it I'm trying Oh, yeah Yeah Gosh so much fun finding ways around copyright. Am I right? That's great great Yeah, uh Like it almost seems to me that they're showing that how to knows what's going to happen. So she wants to help her but uh Precisely that that means she shouldn't come Oh Uh, yeah, she gets told to stay behind and they all set up to go and get vander Yep But she does give her a Blair I want to say what you call that thing. Yeah, like a smoke. That's a smoke flare. Yeah. Yeah And to light it up if anything should happen to her and vi will find her uh Meanwhile jace victor they're just working on a newer version of that same device we saw in the beginning Trying crack the gem thing x X foams, yeah I remember some of the dialogue I think yeah, uh Something about It tells you a little bit about the nature of how far each of them are willing to go. I think jay says, uh You know like we is this Is a chill and then victor says something like um, the resonance will stabilize it trust me And jace isn't like that convinced No, it doesn't you say like are you sure and then you get like a little uh reaction from victor where it just shakes his head Well, jace is looking like That's going he's you know, he's just Wicked Then we get a scene that is quite interesting to talk about I would thank you um All the kids are gone and powders on her own And there's something about the way they present her emotionally in this scene that gives off several impressions at once Just paying attention to how How they've done her expressions She's obviously sad that she's been left on her own and out of whatever this thing is Obviously sad. She basically has to acknowledge herself that she can't help But I think a big thing would be that by has confirmed a lot of what myla's been saying that she also said wasn't true Yeah I was gonna say alone panic attack mode Yeah, she's like super pissed super sad panicking Like she doesn't actually really know what to do with this situation that she's in And it kind of alludes to the fact that she's got some serious abandonment issues Yes um Yeah, I was incredibly impressed by this scene Because they deliberately avoid giving her a i'm just sad they present this as she's also losing her Uh self control like is The emotions are so heavy on her that she doesn't know how to express them Yeah, they're all just sort of coming out all at the same time And so then you end up with an incredibly well animated and performed scene where it's just like Very realistic crying Like for a for an animated show.  This is basically it right here I feel like I probably have had moments like that when I was much younger There's just stuff you don't you know that you're too young to fully understand as well Yeah um I feel like this is also really important in establishing a degree of um instability Hand yes before the big thing Yeah, um, it didn't come out of nowhere No, this this felt very suitable.   So it's it's very clearly established relationship between these characters of this dynamic already existing mm-hmm one of the things Yeah, and she hits her own head with a fist as well Another sign that's just like she's having a lot of fucking trouble here, but Drops a box of things The gems come out rock things And she realizes that with the way that they react when she drops them That it matches the explosion And so as she figures with enough force on them that they she can recreate that explosion and uh help The the kids say vanda one could say that the thoughts going through her head right now is i'm not weak and i'm gonna show them you'll see Specifically she says i can help. I think yeah very motivated by the fact that not only are they unaware of how good she is Um, but that she's going to save them. It's gonna be great. Yep She's she was in a moment of panic about not being able to do anything and then all of a sudden she knows what to do Right Yeah, it it crystallizes. I think because he's free falling, but then it all comes together. That's it. But he was there That instability is also accentuated by the really discordant strings. They have going in the background. Yes the whole thing. Yeah Uh, check out this more than just a typical child's tantrum Check out this uh scene transfer by the way I will Fuck's sake. I thought it was quicker it pours hang on And I remember this one. Yeah boom Like they're not even close to the same objects, but man that lines up, doesn't it? Yeah Also, uh, jay, would you like me to exit you even though we're very close to a certain event? Yes Well, that's the thing i'm now functionally tired enough that I feel I would have Nothing really to contribute to talking about that event Very unfortunate and feels bad, but i'm not gonna stick around being dead weight For any longer So I'm gonna hop out here Been fun Very well. Thank you so much for joining us and I hope you sleep well slash do whatever you end up doing Excellently it will be sleeping immediately Wait Good boy boy Then they were Six Yeah Yeah, they the the jason the the vicar are like oh my god. I'm a dinger could could I I can't remember if this is the scene where that starts to happen, but yeah I think they activated to the point where it blows out a window, right? No, yeah, oh schnizzle and a bunch of people notice it. So it's like now you're on a timer because People know what you're up to or at least that you're up to um Which takes us to the scene where vanda is discovered by the kids And it's kind of a fun The best version it's not even lampshading. It's just the best version of doing this sort of thing He's like how'd you get in? She's like it was easy. There was just like an open window And then he goes you have to get out of here and she like realizes what that means I love that it's visible on her face the moment. She says it which is so good Oh, that was just an open window.   He's fine. Yeah He has a he has a drug empire. I mean he's like Directly or indirectly responsible for lots of violence. Like that's a that's an interesting theory. I guess pretty weird I got it. This is the realization expression by the way. It's just You don't even need the dialogue is like, oh, yeah Because she cuts herself off to Like she was just telling us that we just found an open window and Then just trails off and eyes wide. Mm-hmm Um, doesn't vendor also mentioned that there's like lots of guards here and then she says Legitimately confused as to how they would have gotten in this is like because he wants them in Uh So, yeah, that's that's apparently basically silco's plan, but then it's like, all right, then uh in response to that Vi Tells Milo to get vander out of the chair clagger to look for an alternative exit and she's gonna take on the thugs Um I think as she's starting up. I really like the uh the lockpick like fails and he drops it And then vander's just like milo. You can do this. It's just like The stress because if you don't I saw this seen as you have to get vander out of that chair He's the only one that's gonna be able to save you guys. Yeah Um, but obviously if you stress milo, he's never gonna be able to break him out So it's just like a nice moment and I think it encourages the idea beyond Like I think it's easy to interpret it as vander is the father of powder and by And then clagger and milo are there. It's just it's nice to see more Sort of fatherly moments between him and those two as well Mm-hmm So, yeah, uh vi puts on those gauntlets and tries to take on the thugs Which I suppose is going to be something we should probably get out of the way first talking about the viability of that They gave her a decently better chance than she would have in other situations with the placing of a bridge there, which is Yes, it's clearly like what is in favor of it versus what is against it It's like the easy one for against it is that she is very young She is a girl and she's against a team of male thugs that all looks psychopathic as well as strong And there's a lot of them Yes, but what's in her favor? I mean to be fair, she trains a lot, right? I mean being young isn't completely a disadvantage So there's advantages to being young and she has a weapon and she kind of gets her ass kicked Those ones I I think they do a pretty decent job all things considered. Um Yes, people notice the viability. I thought that was Yeah Also the the first big thug Completely underestimated her. She's just going like look who the little girl and then that's the thing man I look at this fight this one for example.   That's for damn sure The the action is just fantastic.  Yes.  I think is essentially the the format Like she's getting them in weak spots because she dodges their attack initially Um, which obviously the training robot thing she's been using Is very specifically like a lot of it is about dodging incredibly fast attacks So yeah, you just have to acknowledge she's been training for stuff like this for way longer than any of them who are more than likely not Training they're probably just thug people who are like It's a situation of skill Outplaying like just sheer strength. Absolutely. Yeah. I think it's important that we can we can understand what the power levels are here That's probably the most important part for the show actually This is a story like like where cheap overswings like quite a lot Which is just the weight of the gauntlet's following through Like I remember one of the thugs takes him out with like a huge like punch to the face and even in the next Like uh shot the momentum is still carrying through and she's like I think she stumbles off to the side a little bit almost even Well tension's rising you got one of the He's got four main restrictions for van der one of them is broken off and clager finds An opportunity to create an exit And then the second one is broken off and powders almost here. So Like with vi being quite successful in the fight so far There's definitely a like We're doing okay. We're doing we're doing all right here actually hands here And now I want to show off One of my favorite small pieces of animation.  What was it this?  So look at where do I begin for complimenting this like I remember when I first saw it I was like fuck me that was fantastic so um the dodging the knife was Theo just mentioned on the bridge that it means that she should be able to take these on one by one Which is a problem in a lot of uh, like plot armory situations for shows where They'll have you surrounded but for some reason everyone attacks you one by one It's like oh, I know the reasons because they wouldn't survive if they didn't do that Um, this is a bridge. I love the focus she has in dodging that knife But it costs her a punch to the face because the second person comes in How dynamic of a little sequence there, but Then for her to Yeah for her to retaliate with a wide swing and a scream like Because she's just been punched. So she's getting to desperation. She's not doing fantastically here um And then obviously just the sounds how fluid everything is the expressions just like it's this sequence is tiny, but it's fantastic And uh, yeah vise just trying her dandest um You can also see in between that her arms go like down So he's almost like a little break because the gauntlets are so heavy Yeah, you can see her muscles really relax after being punched for a second and then they're back up Yeah, but then straight back up like damn good shit Um, and I think having her portrayed this way in fights where she's desperately trying to win Makes you a lot more sympathetic to Routing for her and believing It's hard one versus her being really strong That every frame of painting video on jackie chan fight scenes one of the things that's so engaging about them is that He's not trying to present himself as totally flawless and indestructible Like he gets hurt Seeing people get hurt and we're talking with daredevil before seeing people get hurt in a fight I think it's just us so much to ground them.  It just goes a long way um To help them ground the character If you don't have to airbrush her knife away either No If you want there to be suspense, you have to be able to conceive of them losing the fight or if they're being alternative outcomes I mean, if they're just I mean if it's just dr. Manhattan walking into a fight, there's not going to be any I mean, you know, it's well the outcome is presupposed And like that that that is what happens a lot of the time in action movies Yeah, I mean people are going to say marvel but not just marvel lots of action movies You just kind of know what's going to happen. So it's not interesting one of the things Go go for it. Okay. Another thing action films do a lot is they fail to do justice to the fact that there's any sort of force behind attacks Like when someone gets punched they like don't really respond or they'll they'll like flinch a tiny bit But then it's right back to what they were doing or as you look at fights in things like this or well I guess better action stuff and When a person takes a hit sure they will like recover from it But it'll be a process of a few steps back like the attack does carry through and cause some semblance of physical damage They'll end up scuffed and they'll get hurt And it really sells that there is actually attempts to harm one another going on in the fight One of the best jokes and smiling friends is when uh When charlie punches are that I can't remember his name the boy Yeah, I have him and totally knocks the wind out of him So funny because it's like yeah getting punched in the gut like that hurts What I was going to say before as well as one I feel like one of the reasons why diehard is such a great film And why everybody likes it so much is john is not invincible. He gets hurt. He gets his ass handed to him He is like constantly on the back foot always having to fight his way up getting because like in Uh in that film it's like I I feel like the the clearest example in my mom was when they shot the glass and in order to escape He had to run across the broken glass Betty people want you to know that they was jeremy.  He's frowning hardcore at uh I might have forgot his name charlie when he's leaving the second. He's out of like frame He just immediately has the sympathy eyes. He's like, oh man Smiling friends is another good example of little touches. I remember one of my I keep saying one of my favorite jokes. There's so many. It's the one where um The boss is telling him to not go like he's like wait one more thing Whatever you do. Don't go beyond the rickety bridge. And then he's like, why? Look, he disappears. He's like because you get lost And then he like sort of slides past him to get through the door He like does a little shuffle past him to get inside. It's just you didn't need to do that, but you did it's great Jeremy punching charlie back is a great payoff. He has funny as a bug That's a lot of good great setups and payoffs in uh Smiling friends Anyway back to arcane. That's a nice. We didn't take him to a different show that wasn't cringe being bob effect So you've not even mentioned it. Damn it. Okay Okay Yeah, uh some of the Like I think savika is like, I'll do it and then uh silk goes like no, no, no Just give it to uh decad Dimmer him out and it seems like I don't know how long decad has been taking the potion at this point I'm guessing it's still but like he's already um Addicted already addicted Yeah, it looks like at all all it takes is once because I think so We've only seen this ever happen once all it takes is once your body's lethargic and everything like that The addiction in his eyes when he looks right into it.  No Vanda and uh silk. Oh we're having their conversation. There's a shot of him just like vomiting purple doubled over Right. Yeah, you're right And uh, they just want to get back to being what it is when you have it. Um Also check out this Uh By gets knocked down by this dude Um, hang on I'm sorry. I'm here.   It's just Yeah, well, you don't have to worry about animation people can get hurt because they're not they're drawings and During these fights people saying that's more of a liver shot is like. Oh, yeah fair.  Uh, it's a really good touch I think that happens in the old boy Fight as well. Yeah, the old boy. Yeah, I gotta watch that Yeah, the old boy There's a couple moments like that. Yeah, that's what I was gonna say this reminded me of I'm not gonna watch the uh, the the american one Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, the uh, the Korean one just checking there is no american one. Don't yeah. Yeah, let's just let's pretend You know what? Oh, okay, gotcha. I really like she raises her fists anyway. She's ready for this fight and Evander sees that and it's the most panicked we ever see him Yeah, like He's he's not ready for her to fight that thing Um, and for good reason I very much appreciated that she didn't even really have a scrap with it Uh He goes in for a heavy strike And by the way Another wonderful pause screen. Look at that Good knows how to use slow motion Yeah and I Grypa a lot of things for being really bad at using slow motion I really appreciate how this show uses slow motion The most common use that I'm aware of is it allows us to stick with a moment that is quick for a little longer Which is for this her anger and his indifference like Like it's not even really engaged, but she's like this is the biggest shot I'll ever take Um This is the bastard that chilled Benzo so clearly she's pissed at this thing And comes There's a contention here a lot of people bring up. Um, so I'll see what you guys think of it She's incredibly lucky.  Yeah I feel like that seems right. I think well Even even a yeah, I guess it's a tribe. It's an interesting thing how quickly Grayson got annihilated um Yeah Killed Benzo in a single strike with people I think it's totally fair the only counter I've seen and I give it like a It's like Is that he would likely want to get some level of revenge on her for being beaten by a before beyond just killing it Yeah, maybe Maybe yeah, that's I give that the little hands handshake. I'm like Just like That's kind of true.  It's 50 50 for me. I I accept that that's a possibility and I suppose that eases the plot armor, but I feel I don't know Um, but anybody claiming he wouldn't want to take any form of longer revenge. I don't think you can claim that I don't know that you can claim that it would just be that you would cite that the last time that we saw what he could do If he annihilated two people pretty much instantly One here Yeah, yeah, you you have that on one side on the other side. It's like he has a personal grudge with her surely and you're like Uh Yes I suppose Yeah, I guess at the very least we have that as an element Yeah, I think it's worth bringing up. Um, I just don't think it quite it doesn't feel very satisfying And it's the first instance of Okay bit lucky I feel like it would be worse if he just straight up said you were sure that goes It's just frustrating to me because this one's in everything It is an arcane tries to not have that happen a lot of the time. I'm gonna throw you instead of Snap your deck Many times it's in It would be super irritated if he did it twice like throw once throw again Because like a lot of bad guys will do that throw over and over again. He only did it once So it's like, okay. All right. All right You don't really like that vise right after crawls into the cell and closes the door because you maybe realize he's out Outclassed heavily. I like that don't know how much for fan I am of like Silco Buddy, they've got a really strong defense built into that room that you haven't done anything to stop Uh At they simply because that door is incredibly difficult for the souped up hull command to get through so imagine like If the if the scene was they didn't even intend to fight. She just closes it and locks it up That's a lot of time they have to freevander And I just don't know why silco would have like I can accept that that room has that security in it It's just the silco. Did you not think about that like? I don't know. Well, yeah letting them get into because I was about to say it would make sense to me that You have a door to lock someone in but why would you let them in that area in the first place? I'll tell you know It looked like it It's completely locked from the inside like there's like a handle and everything I feel like if that's a cell shouldn't that be on the outside then If it's specifically used for a cell Oh, this place is I don't know that this place is meant as as a cell. It's got a chair in it. I don't know if it's an Yeah, that's why I'm specifying. I'm not sure if it's specifically designed to be a cell Yeah, it seems to be like an interrogation room of some kind I'll hand it. I'm fine with the room having a lockdown scenario like system equipped, but I don't know why silco would have let it like that's an obvious Like I'd be like you might not want to have them grab him in that room because they can just close that door and lock it up And that gives them a lot of time Yeah, especially if you plan for them to be here and that's assuming Generously that silco does not know there is a thin wall in that room that leads to exit I hope he doesn't know it else would be kind of a It would be cool like really quick and added detail You know how we were just talking about how he throws vi And doesn't kill her right away It'd be kind of interesting if they pan over to silco just really quickly giving him like the what the fuck look like Why didn't you kill her right away? That'd be kind of cool. Just a quick little glimpse back of that could have helped That could have helped the plot armor just a little bit extra So is it vandals weak dekka can wipe them out and silco believes they don't have anywhere to go So it so he's just so he just like he knows the lock the door and then you'll just have to break in that's like part of the plan It's like that doesn't seem right does it?  Like obviously stop them from closing the door sort of thing still it's just um It's a regular wall not a thin one. What I mean is it's a wall between an open space and an open space I know that doesn't necessarily mean it's thin, but I mean claga breaks through it I don't think it's as strong as walls can get um And it's just like again. I'm willing to believe that silco was unaware of that Um, but obviously it'll be way worse if he was aware of it It's not plot armor. Uh seems like armor to me The thing is uh, it gets a little bit counteracted soon enough Uh, we got the final jason victor scene they activate and control the magic to the point where they're just floating Happily and hymer ding it Just breaks in around about the time they do it and says no No, no, no, no naughty This will not stand. This is not what science is meant for or something like that But then mel is still there He says that's for the council to decide which knowing she already has pull with them I think like bringing you and I were already talking about this at this point, right? We were like he's gonna get overruled and I we started talking about Where that plot line might even end up a more extreme sense um Yep, but yes magic or as he corrects mel to say hex tech has been born Interposing of the mage rise as they're like getting it to work was really cool as a visual Yeah, because well jace is reaching his desperation This is like the flashpoint of everything he has to get this to work And it represents like everything since that moment with rise. So It's a good way to just incorporate it as well um Think sudden, sorry jace suddenly understands calling it magic is a bad idea if only he knew that before I genuinely think he calls this hell it hex tech It's you it's a combination of magic and science called hex tech Right But he's he's giving it a name his discovery. He's giving it a name, but he understands He's still wielding magic. Absolutely. Yeah, this is a council to know that This is still regarding magic. That's why heimendinger says it's a magical hex tech or whatever He's like it's gonna be under the council's approval or not It's not magic. I am levitating at the top of the room right now Um Well, mel just strode's in all confidently. She's all like, yeah Council's gonna decide this shit's good and she already knows that it's going to be because she's got so much pull already Which well, it's it's actually it's it's less that she has pull and it's more So I think that she understands the motivations of the people in the council like there's a there's a um She understands the sort of selfish motivations that the basically everybody except heimendinger And like there's money to be made right? I mean, that's basically what happens is there's uh You know, anyway, we don't need to get it involved.  So there isn't necessarily that distinction doesn't help him in the council It's still magic. So saying this is hex tech not magic would be a lie Yeah, yeah Like saying it's it's it's a pizza It's a pizza not cheese Right. Yeah, this this isn't ruby. Okay. This is magic Um ruby fans will appreciate that I think so We're we're here get it. We're at the park. It is time.  I guess we'll just start with uh, how it starts How it pops in I think two stones in the back of the little device with one getting blasted by spikes on a um On the on the symbols The idea being it it keeps hitting it over and over and over until I guess it reaches critical This scene is quite tense If you're immersed because we keep flashing between everyone doing different things like clag are getting further and further through the wall um The the lockpick is struggling to get that last lock off the door slowly coming apart as he's punching it Just uh, you just the the thing at this point is that you don't exactly know how everything's gonna work out Who's gonna die? Who's gonna live? How is it gonna turn out? But I think I've said this to um So many people as I've talked about this scene.  Am I hallucinating? What is this? What what was in that shimmer? The bad badge just before the last clap of the symbols it stops Yeah, obviously this one this one's complicated tips of just I guess I should just keep going Um, and and we'll stick I'll try and do the summary you guys can just do commentary So the already how to it's got like a hands on your head and then it doesn't go off and she's like what?  You follow this explosion a few different ways into different directions I imagine that they had stretched out in front of them the I think it's five Or four or five whatever, but they were like, how do we order these? And it reminds me of how they did in squid game. You know how they ordered the The payoffs of each of the dice games They ordered like the first one is the one that's going to be lowest stakes and then the last one will be Likely the highest regards the main character and then you sort of try to judge how you should Throw it, but The first one is powder He gets knocked into what um, I already assumed at the time was she's got water to fall into And they play it off as quite peaceful and she's even really happy to see like the colors and stuff And so I think so very happy that her bomb finally worked her first bomb worked Well, she she thinks this is like the culmination of her like life basically it's like I You know, I did it. I saved the day, right? You know Well, yeah, and I I I think for a second you can be lulled into a sense of like wait Like like how what do we do and it's more so because we're we're a little bit in her pov which is Excellent you did it But I think as a reasonable audience might be like what um, what did it do to the rest of the people though?  Oh, no because It's like if it got that far or at least it's effects. It's like Why haven't they shown us the ones that they have oof Um, but yeah But yeah, um, this scene is like it knows what you're gonna be thinking about and so it shows it Yeah, that that shot's fantastic Mm-hmm Look at it. It's gorgeous. And so I think for a moment, you're just like wait a minute. What about them? And uh, here we go. Yeah. Yeah, what about them? Oh this explosion Uh, it shows that the door gets blasted off its hinges.  Yeah it slams into the ceiling Uh, which causes a lot of things to happen. I think I can do this with next frames Yes, but uh clagga He's hit by something and it happens so quickly, but you see his goggles fly away with blood on him Yeah, I just get winged immediately. Yeah, he gets just blasted by door shrapnel Yeah, right in the face. That's a thick door and it just got popped into pieces And then Milo and it will The glider what I remember just being like, oh Because I was like Um, but yeah a pole just gets thrown into what I guess I can't quite tell exactly, but it looks like it could be near Milo's heart. I'm not sure.  Um, yeah, he looks at clagga is the thing I wanted to like get to is He's like he has just this briefest moment to look at clagga and you can see it on his face He's like, oh god, is he dead?  Oh geez and before you can really acknowledge that the roof falls on both of them Yep, and then back to powder Yeah, and the music like It almost feels like the show is just telling you it's like this is what was gonna happen That's just how it works Yeah powder's still here. We did it patrick. We saved the city um How quick and violent it is with the Clagga and Milo I really appreciate that Yeah, it's absolutely rough. Yeah, they don't get any last words or nothing.  He's just hitting staring at his bloodied coin And then he sees the explosion because he wouldn't have been far away Um, and that's a big explosion.  He's like i'm not used to this like yeah The good guy's just lost big time Because decad isn't even down for the count. Nope. Deccan's kind of okay to be honest Yeah, let's try my stuff Okay, pretty rough incredible The music in this next bit is fantastic as well. Yeah, unfortunately, I can't really do anything but say it's great Yeah, yeah, there's nothing for it.   They wanted you to know those two are dead Yeah, they really were like, yeah, no, we did that.  Jesus Christ.    Oh, yeah, it lags the audio so I'm gonna figure out how I'm gonna do this You frustrate me copyright gods, you know what this will be after I'll do it I can't hear anything in the audio that there you go, okay That Fucking angry Yeah And um, I suppose it's worth highlighting that when he's doing that Like this could represent like silco could be in trouble if you lose them, but silco doesn't seem Silco's almost like There he is Like the the one that would have