Today is Thursday, June 20th at 6 a.m Me and my business partner Adam have been working 18 20-hour days over the past three days to fill approximately a hundred orders per day So I wanted to take you guys through some of that as well as update you on some of the orders and what's going on Just to start things off guys. We are a new company. You know, everyone makes mistakes. We definitely did Forget things here and there. So if you guys are missing anything from your order, just send us an email info at frankie's free range meet calm. We will send out the product the next day. I Know there were some orders. We were in a rush. You know, we forgot to put the beef tallow jars with the fat pack But I promise you guys these mistakes will not happen in the future when we are fully up and running with Not playing catch up on all of these orders The Pemekin and jerky packages are going to be delayed until July 8th What ended up happening was we were unable to find a production facility large enough to produce all the Pemekin in time So it's going to take us a little longer If you guys ordered a Pemekin or a jerky any of the non perishables We will be filling all of those orders the week of July 8th So guys just hold out three more weeks. We're literally going to send out like 400 orders in one week all non perishable Super easy to do compared to the refrigerated stuff. We've been doing lately If you guys don't feel like waiting just reach out again info at frankie's free range meet calm And we'll figure something out. Maybe you want to cancel your order in that fat pack is beef fat Marrow and beef tallow since the quality of the fat of the animal coincides with the season We don't have the most amazing orange looking beef fat yet as some of the cows were still on hay They were still on silage, you know, it's only the beginning of June And a lot of these animals haven't been on the nutritious summer grasses yet So over the next few months you guys that purchase from us expect the fat quality to increase drastically You know one of the issues with being Local and trying to source as many of your products nearby to you is in New York where it's very seasonally based It can be difficult to source the best quality animal products at all times of the year in the future to address that scenario You know in the late spring summer and fall We're going to source locally at other times of the year. We might try to see if we can get Like yellow orange higher quality summer pasture fat from other countries We'll look into it. Our goal is to provide the highest quality product at the most affordable price and we're looking to do that But on more positive notes We are getting a whole cow in on Monday of next week. So guys, please keep an eye out for a fresh beef box what we're going to do is Ship out the beef fresh never frozen It's literally being slaughtered tomorrow. So the beef is being slaughtered tomorrow. It's all coming in on Monday We're gonna run a fresh beef box special next week So if you don't place your order next week for the fresh beef, it's not going to be fulfilled So we're gonna get catch the orders next week and fill all the orders the following Monday So if you guys want a fresh beef box, we're gonna put it online I'm not sure if I'm going to list what cuts are in it. It's probably going to be, you know, 30 to 40% ground beef That's freshly ground and then the rest of the box is going to be an assortment of roasts Maybe a couple of steaks here and there Maybe some organs thrown in we're gonna have to see What we get from this cow and what the total yield is on the fatty beef pack We said we were giving people over 10 pounds of high quality grass-fed fatty beef The fatty beef wasn't as fatty as we liked it to so what we ended up doing was giving people like 13, 14 pounds of meat We gave people way too much meat basically so You guys that ordered the fatty beef back for this first round kind of lucked out and got like 13 to 14 pounds of the cuts we were offering What we're doing to increase the fat content of those products in the future is we're changing up the cuts a bit And we're sourcing a little bit differently So the next round of fatty beef packs will have less poundage of meat It will be coinciding with what we said we were going to offer and the fact content is going to be a bit higher We did find a source of pasture raised chicken. They're these nice like two and a half three pound chickens completely delicious very moist Come and fresh So we'll be offering those probably around 16 or 17 dollars per chicken Starting Saturday and then next week. We're going to see what fish we can get our hands on so things are moving really quickly guys Me and my business partner are really working hard. We're really excited to make this happen we know we're sending out the highest quality product there is right now, especially online and We're gonna keep barreling you guys with the highest quality You know most nutrient-dense animal foods and we're gonna make it affordable me and my business partner Adam killing ourselves in a kitchen for 18 hours a day is Why we are able to do this for you guys. No one is crazy enough No one is gonna put in this much work and this much effort into doing these things so The next like 10 or 15 minutes or so is going to be me going through day one to day three and Let me tell you boys and girls. It was not fun as I said if you guys have any issues with your orders if You won't I forgot anything if you're not happy with the quality of the product email info at frankiesfreerangeme.com We will either refund your product or we will send out a new shipment As soon as we can All right, we just finished boxing up all the orders for monday and It was just short of a nightmare well over 100 packages Here we got adam helping the ups guy load some of the boxes. Here we go What a nightmare got some more back there more over here more boxes over here and we got The rest of the boxes in here We have to do this two more times this week and i'm honestly not sure if frankie boy is gonna make it, but we'll see Started the day at about 6 30 a.m. It is now 10 p.m. And uh, we are not having fun But we need to fill these orders boys and girls so We did 100 orders today That was from about 6 a.m. To 3 p.m.  So we have you know our eti vahs our gruyere We have some formiciano reggiano have a bunch more cheese down there with some extra meat I have to get home and film a video for tomorrow and then we have to get up at about 5 30 a.m And do this again, but hopefully It'll be better in the future and I won't have to kill myself to Get you guys high quality nutrient dense animal foods It is now the next day Tuesday june 18th got home around midnight last night Had to film a video for you guys ended up getting to bed at 3 a.m Woke up at 6 a.m. I'm back down here now. It's 2 p.m We filled all 100 orders today And about five six hours. So we really banged them out We have a bunch of prep work to do for another 100 orders tomorrow And then Frankie boy's nightmare three days will be over I've worked very hard some jobs The closest I've worked as hard was Catering event where I stayed up three days straight prepping food. So I've done this before it's not fun I haven't eaten for two days I haven't really been drinking much water But Frankie boy is carved out of marble. So I'll be fine boys and girls I did get a stretch fracture On my wrist. I don't know how if you guys could see this But this is all like internal like I didn't bang it on anything It's really swollen from the inside And whenever I squeeze anything, you know, my wrist hurts a lot. So Hopefully, you know tomorrow is the last day I'm dealing with this and then I'll be able to recover for a few days But yeah, that doesn't look good if it's that swollen from the inside Let's actually take a walk over to the cooler If we went through pretty much everything in here, you know, the cages are almost empty I can't even hold this camera. It's hurting my wrist Then in the other cooler I threw just about everything here too So everything is really emptied out And we got to restock it for tomorrow It's 2 p.m. Now if Frankie boy stays focused, I should be out of here by six seven or eight o'clock Hopefully and then I'll actually get home I'll get some sleep and I'll be able to film a video early tomorrow morning for you guys I probably mentioned it earlier in this video already But today is the day that the chicken actually came in. So we're going to test a chicken product Hopefully we like it and it's good. So you guys will have a poultry option It is not going to be a hundred percent corn and soy free yet That's something we're looking to do in the very near future. We got Adam back over here Picking up some uh, we went to pick up some uh Cash and picking up this is the sketchiest bank, right? This is the worst part of the one of the worst parts of new york, really There's a line every time today. There was a food stand outside people were going crazy. What do they do money orders only like over there? ATMs were working I had to go to the Teller It's around eight o'clock now not too long of a day compared to yesterday. We're at 13 hours The first orders went out really smooth filled 90 orders real quick Then we did a little bit of a mistake on the par count and we had to You know cryo vac and vacuum seal some stuff for the last 10 orders You know we banked out 90 orders in three hours and then it took us two hours to fill just 10 orders So we're going to make sure to do some prep tomorrow. We are short on a few products. So we're getting an emergency delivery and We're going to use that to fill another 100 orders approximately tomorrow And then anyone who hasn't received their order tomorrow We're going to fill a couple more next week, but anyone who ordered After june 4th, we're looking to fill your orders by the first week of july So you guys aren't going to be waiting nearly as long as you did for the pre-orders But overall I'm going to go home Try to relax get some sleep for once and then I'll film a video in the morning before I come in We just got to come in tomorrow fill some more orders Cut cut the meat that comes in cut separate the fat that comes in A lot of vacuum sealing today.  So Really making sure this product is as fresh as possible Being in this kitchen for 12 hours a day getting blessed by emf radiation You know not eating not sleeping a recipe for a disaster, but I have some secrets here. We have knack n-a-seedle sistine It's a precursor to glutathione And you might notice that when you have a headache and you eat something you feel better They're usually amino acids present in your food that act as a precursor for the glutathione antioxidant knack is great. It's Really what I use to fix my headaches. I don't take Tylenol anymore after discovering this I have to look into a brand that doesn't have as many additives, but this stuff is really a lifesaver for headaches Knack is also great for biofilms for people with sebo or candida. It has a lot of uses And we have vitamin d3. So I usually use like 10 to 15 thousand of this throughout the day You know a couple drops when I get in a couple drops into the day and then a couple drops, you know in the middle of the day So These two things really help me keep my energy levels up And not shake my camera like a lunatic. I'm hoping I sleep a little bit better Usually when I fast for a long period of time, I don't sleep too well So I should only need like six or seven hours of sleep to feel good But i'm questioning if i'm going to be able to get that much It is wednesday and I feel like I am going to die My eyes are bloodshot. I only got a few hours of sleep last night again I had to wake up early to film a video for the youtube channel Now I got to pick up some stuff Go back down to the production facility I get the orders wrapped up for this week and then hopefully Frankie boy can get some sleep and possibly eat something so A lot of stuff to get through I'm going to try to film some more stuff today because I know I haven't been showing you guys anything lately Maybe we'll have some product to look at but all we're really doing is you know filling the fridge and coolers up with meat shipping out orders sending out orders and and it's you know 12 16 18 hour days, so Things are going to slow down a lot once we catch up on these orders But I'll see you guys want to get down there. It's actually thursday morning and i'm sorry guys I was unable to film on wednesday when I got down there We ended up having a couple things happen Our delivery for meat was late. We needed an emergency drop on some beef and some fat So we were really scrambling to get the rest of the orders filled My business partner adam actually had about 50 orders filled already So we were kind of waiting on the product to come in and then we had to scramble In two hours to prep and box 50 orders But we got it done boys and normally I would be able to blog and show you guys more stuff But another reason I didn't want to film down there is because the neighborhood is really bad One of the worst neighborhoods in new york city and I literally can't be filming on the street Someone will literally run up to me and take the camera out of my hands Another reason I haven't been able to film is because I've been doing a lot of things still helping with my family To some degree take care of my sister. Uh, this is what I want to show you guys over here So I pack all of my meals for my sister every day For those of you guys who don't know my sister is mentally disabled And that helped her lose a lot of weight. So This is our breakfast pasta raised eggs with raw butter Sometimes I sneak a little bit of iodine and vitamin d3 in there Our lunch is usually some baloney from a local farm. This is something we're going to try to make for you guys too I really like the product. It's very approachable. It's great for kids. It's great for people that don't like eating certain products Her snack is almost always raw cheese. I believe this is raclette. I like it a lot And her dinner is pastured pork This is the iberico pork that I've shown you guys last week so This is what I've been cooking for her. I just throw the pork on the grill and then I put a little maple syrup and raw butter on it I'll back here some lamb brains for me and I got some Pork ribs marinating and that leaked everywhere.  I gotta clean that up So I got some pork ribs back there marinating in coconut aminos honey and salt Coconut aminos are like a healthy soy sauce essentially But that's what I have for my family. I picked up a farm order of about a dozen eggs from a farm These were actually from Whole Foods to get us by but normally I just get eggs from a local farm Back there is some raw cream So we have some organic cream back there Some more raw cream over here I actually left I actually left the bacon that I was smoking inside my grill last night So I got to go grab it because it's raining now But we're gonna test that out because we will have bacon for you guys in the future And I also just got in my fresh meat order from our local farm. So Frankie boy is getting Frankie's meat in his mouth as well. I got some chuck roll and short rib as well as That's it. That's what I got in my fridge downstairs.  So I can't thank you guys enough for joining me for this vlog You know, we mentioned earlier in the vlog. Hey, we chat if you guys have any issues with your orders We're really excited to be providing you guys with really high quality animal products. Like I'm literally Looking over every single thing that's happening, you know, some things are going well some things are, you know Sometimes shit happens, but doing the best I think I have the highest level of understanding of quality animal products in America. I really don't think anyone has Messed around as much as me on a carnivore keto diet has worked in culinary has worked in kitchens has the hospitality background You know, my combination of food knowledge and understanding of animal foods Is unparalleled. So if there's a guy that can get you the best animal foods It's going to be Frankie boy. I really looking forward to the stuff. We're launching over the next few weeks guys We got the fresh beef box next week. We're going to have chicken and fish as well.  So If you guys would like to check out Frankie's food range meat.com You know place in order with us see what we're looking to do in the future as well. It's on there Guys raw dairy. We want to make it happen. We want to make wild game meat happen We might have some venison and wild boar soon. Let let me know what you guys think of those cuts um But uh outside of that you guys enjoy the rest of your week


Welcome everyone. It's the 31st of March 2023. This is documentation office hours. Topics on the agenda Jenkins awards voting roadmap updates PGP signing key MSI windows MSI signing certificate, and possibly two more items on end of life items. Any other topics you want to add Chris anything you want to add. We probably won't have time, because I've been wanting to talk about you talk a little bit. Well, let's put it on the list and let's put it top of the list because all the other topics I think are could easily wait a week. Okay. What about season of docs are we doing are you doing that too or just good let's let's put that I'll put that one ahead of it that way we're clear on it. Yeah, because some of the docs. Good. Okay. Any other topics you want to add. All right, then let's go through them so Jenkins award voting period ended will be announced. Results will be announced at CD con May 8 Vancouver, Washington are not Vancouver, Washington sorry Vancouver Canada. Yeah, Columbia, right. Vancouver BC. Yep, that's correct. Season of docs, Jenkins project won't participate, not participating this year. We're full focus on Google see summer of code. Okay. Google summer of code okay Chris what topics. Go summer code so we may want to talk about like, let me think, because I. We have, I think, let me check it because like we have almost all the draft proposals received. And I'm not expecting any more because I think we have in total 37, but developed ones are numbered at 28. So currently is like, I can see like most most mentors have already reviewed one at about at least two or three. And we're going to do a bit more a bit better but I'm not sure if you have the time because I think this year we've been with a lot of proposals. Yeah, so mine, my reviews have been damaged by work so I'll be reviewing this weekend. Okay, and if they if they don't take my feedback that's perfectly fine as well just it's it's not worked for me to do the reviews I sincerely apologize but that's that's how it's been. It just been well code signing certificates etc had to get my highest priority. Yeah. Actually I'll say it this way reviewing more this weekend because I've reviewed at least three of them, but yeah, I haven't certainly haven't reviewed 30 of them. Okay. Do you have any idea how many we're going to be able to do. So john mark today said he thinks that we'll likely be able to do four projects. Yeah. What we've done this year Meg is we've set a different standard and I like the standard very much. We specifically want a designated lead mentor for each project. Yeah, that lead mentor has strong experience has permissions to the repositories etc. And want three plus mentors in total for each project. Yeah, that way we've got, and Chris my sense is we've got the depth to do both those things for for up to four projects. Yeah, thanks for currently here. We've had really, really strong, strong participation from several of these candidates to be be the additional mentors rather than and lead mentor we've got me, Chris, Adrienne. Who else john Bruno Verracht and possibly so, so it's looking, it's looking quite promising. Okay, excellent. So, go ahead, Chris, we start reviewing on the fourth you see. Right. Is it, I think it is April, April four is, is, is at the end and then we immediately get access or do we actually get access on the fifth. Why should you get access now, as they come in. Okay, all right. But we want to wait until like, having been settled. Okay, so current proposals are already visible to mentors. Yeah. Oh, good. Okay. On the GSOC site. And then candidates and upload replacement versions of their proposal through April four right. Yep. Good. Okay. So this is the end. So yeah, right. So next, next week, the door closes. Yeah, they should be getting they should all have been reviewed by their mentors now and gotten some feedback right. Well, no, it's okay. So it's this is we're in the draft phase now, right. So, so they're, they're, they're able to refine their change refine and improve things based on our feedback. After April four, those things are frozen and we start the, the ranking, the, the prioritization, the assembling of our proposed mentoring teams that will then be submitted to Google in what is it two weeks or three weeks after the start Chris I don't remember the exact timeline. Yeah, but it's about that time. Yeah. Yeah. Any other points on that on that topic, Chris. I think it's like, um, we haven't been hearing a lot from some of the mentors. So I'm not sure about how available they will be between the mentoring phase. Okay. I see some are quite active, but not everyone has. What you're saying I think is their indications that some of the mentors won't be available. Are not not available or may not be available. Not, not really sure but they don't realize what they should be doing now to the hippie. Yeah, and I think john marks been pretty clear with them, but, but there is certainly that risk right that john, what is john marks role is he he's been acting as the head of the organization at the team. All right. So it's in good hands. Yeah. Well and, and Google certainly doesn't require three mentors for each project right it's that's our, our request so that we don't risk burning out a mentor. Yeah. And if somebody, you know, it's a long theory, you can lose people along the way. Yeah, one reason or another so you've got a little depth. Any, any other points there so the review, the review tracking is happening in the in the worksheet in the public worksheet right. You have a link to it. I'm pretty sure I do. I've had it before.  I think that too is a yes in case. Oh good thank you. Okay. Okay, sure. Copy link on this one. Okay, let me see if I'm otherwise, but good. Graph proposal tracking. I'm going to open that in a new window and move the window out just in case this is the one that's private. Oh no, don't worry. Oh good. Okay. Very good. Oh yep, that is all right so here we go. Okay so very good. Any, anything else on Google summer of coachers. Um, let me think. I can talk about other things but for now I was like, um, I think I can tell like some of the proposals are quite promising but it depends on like the final submissions to because I think this year in particular. So many, many, many are deciding to submit the proposals late to Google. So we haven't, we haven't done like, I haven't seen like most proposals, like they estimate food draft version on the portal yet. Okay, so the Google docs are still there are still many more Google docs drafts. Then there are PDF files in the Google portal. Yeah. But we do have the email addresses right of the of a can. So we can always we can certainly send a reminder to them to post their, their draft, their PDF files to the Google portal. It would be a sad thing for them to have done the work of creating it and then miss the submission deadline. Yeah, sure. Anything else. Don't think so. Okay, so I'd propose we skip the roadmap updates topic just because I'm not really ready for a working session the idea there was that we've got this page on Jenkins.io. It needs to be updated so we go about roadmap and a number of the topics. For instance, let's pick improve pipeline step doc generator. This was last year's Google summer of code project so it's in the wrong location on the roadmap. It shows that as future it is in fact released. Okay. So then user interface rework is clearly in progress right now. And user guide improvements have been in progress for a while. So those kinds of things need to be updated remoting over Web sockets is done. Production use lots of places so we've got a number of things like that that need to move around on this so that they accurately show where we're at. Okay. Then this one I think is worth us having a conversation about to hear particularly Chris if you've had any further feedback to offer Meg to be sure you're aware of it and have any things to suggest so what happened is the, the 2.397 Jenkins weekly. Okay. It uses a new PGP signing key for the dev and the RPM files. That's because the old one has expired and that's intentional right we don't want the those keys to last forever. And so we've we've rotated them. However, it means that the LTS release. 2.387.1 gives a key is blocked. Unless you change the install install configuration. Okay, and the next thing is LTS release 2.387.2 on 5 April 2023 will resolve the issue. Okay. So what we got was we got and certainly there's it's a fair question. Hey, you mean the LTS is going to be blocked is not going to be installable per default instructions for a week and the answer is yes that's correct. Now we could, we could apply a change to the install instructions temporarily. At least to the devian instructions. Yeah. I'm not sure that it's worth it. Given that that really the change we would be making is a non recommended change by by the people who maintain devian packages, it would I think it would be as likely to get us complaints as anything. So what we would do is change this text here. Instead of this signed by message is signed by string it would say something as noted here. Where it says allow unsigned equals true or some such thing just a minute. And the problem with allow unsigned equals true allow insecure equals yes. And that does work. I've confirmed it. It actually works. But the problem is what it does is you still get this big warning message signatures are invalid. It just turns them into warnings instead of a hard air. Okay. And so my thought was, I'm not sure it's worth changing the install documentation for a week. The assumption that this is going to affect anyone who attempts to upgrade to 387.1 and a new install and the only ones who would actually detect this are those who read the new install instructions. We don't have anything like this in the upgraded structures. Yeah. Now 387.2 will have it in its upgrade guide it will tell people to, to use this use the new key and it will, it just works. Okay. But if they do that they do end up with an insecure system right. They end up with one package installed that was not installed with a strong signature right with a with a from a signed package so yes. Now it's only one it's only packages from this repository that are made that are allowed to be done without the signature check. And so that means it's in this case only exactly one Jenkins, but it is one. And with Jenkins you could do some damage. And what I'm thinking is if I were a certain kind of person I'd be scooting around the internet looking for this release of Jenkins.  And I'm also thinking that this is to work around that should only be implemented by people who know what they're doing. They're not going to reread the installation instructions anyhow. Exactly and, and this kind of thing if you do it should should be removed as soon as possible. Right so at most this is a six day work around. Right. Is there a notice some place to people about the problem some public. There is so there's a blog post here. Okay that's so here's this blog post. There's an entry in the change log here. That puts a big banner up that says hey a new key has been issued. There will be a change log entry in the LTS change log and there will be an LTS upgrade guide for it. Yeah. Okay. So yeah and we, and we tweeted about it and we've done a Jenkins developer mailing list post about it and a LinkedIn post about it. So yes we've covered and, and the Hawaii police shouldn't be installing a new release the first week it comes out anyhow. Well and see at this point to 2.387.1 has been out for three or four weeks already. Okay. So, so those of us who are adopted on the leading edge have already done it. Okay, yeah. So, yeah I think it's under control that sounds all good to me. Yeah. And Chris have you seen any any noise or confusion that justifies anything bigger than that anything where you'd recommend something different. No, I wouldn't do that differently. Okay. Oh, I take it back there is something we do need to do that now you've now I've thought of this. It's a perfect thing with you here Chris you're the release lead for 387.2 correct. So we need to merge the approve and merge and merge the change log and upgrade guide. Are you okay if in these last few minutes we take the time to do that review and do the merge. I had reviewed it with Kevin, Kevin Martens, but I would really like to get it merged we like to have it merged well before the release date. So that that keeps the release leads things about which they must worry less. Yeah. Okay, so here we have Oh, oh, okay there's a reason we want to check it because it failed to build. Now let's see why. Because like some some issues before the weekend. Ah, here's what it is. Okay this this is infrastructure. So let's do an update the branch this will cause it to build again. While it's building again let's review it. Okay, so I had reviewed it once previously here is the banner for the signing the change of the signing key. And a link to the blog post let's double check that this link is the correct link by going here and testing it. It is good. Okay. Then here was a bug fix that was back ported. Okay, here's a backport of a another bug fix. This is a backport of the security fixes. Okay. That were applied to bundle some bundled plugins and the message on but okay good. And then here is the here is the changelog entry beginning with Jenkins LTS 2.387.2 stable repositories will be signed with the same gpz key that sign keys that sign the weekly repositories. Administrator's Linux systems must install the new scenic signing keys on their Linux servers before installing Jenkins 2.387.2. Oh, okay. This is outdated. Good thing we reviewed it, bringing up the editor now to fix this. This has got a mistake in it that Basel Crow detected. Okay. And so let's go fix it. Oh, wrong one Jenkins.io. Okay, so we need this one 6173. And now I need to find the reference content for that blog post and it is. There we go. Okay, so we need this blog post. Right here. And we need content underscore data, changelogs. Oh, no, this was the this is the upgrade guide right. 387 dash to. Okay, good. The mistake I had made was I copied a three year old blog post and used its instructions. We have since updated the installation instructions. And these on the right hand window are the new are the modern installation instructions. Okay. We're going to use the better ones and now we need to change this one text string here to Debian stable. Okay, that one's done. So curl T to the key ring. And then the deadline, which will then use that key ring and the Debian stable repository. Good. All right now, this one. Oh, and the red hat. The red hat one is only had needs a minor change in its red hat dash stable. All right. Hey, any objections to that change for either of you. Same key install in stable as weekly minor change to the repository name is the only difference. So we should see that change and here it is deep in Ubuntu. Okay, make run. Oops. And now bringing up our favorite web browser. So we want to look at slash change log dash stable. Here it is 2.387.2 adjust the Web socket time out that bug report. And it opens the correct bug. Yep, this one opens the correct bug. Opens the correct security advisory. And the other whoops, let's see was that one of 124 it was good and this one opens the next one. Good. Okay. So then we look at the LTS upgrade guide the one where I had to make a change. 387.2. Here's the new text. Here's the new text. I think we're ready. Any objections from the two of you for me to market ready to merge. No, no. Let's do a refresh. Oh, maybe I haven't pushed yet. It would help if I pushed. Yes. Okay, now refresh. Here's the new text. We're going to review the changes approved. Ready to ready to go. And I'm going to enable auto merge. Okay. All right, thanks. So done. Done and done. I've, I've hit pretty much the time where I need to pause. If you're interested, I can give you a two minutes summary of this last one and then we would end. Okay. Go for it. I haven't heard about this. Okay. And this one probably matters to Chris as well. So there are, in addition to the PGP signature expiring that when we renewed ourselves, the code signing certificate that we use to sign the windows MSI installer is also it has now expired. And we started the renewal process about a month or a month and a half ago. It turns out that lawyers had to be involved. And the process is not yet complete. So we're not I'm not 100% sure of the impact on the 2.387.2 release. So, so let me talk to what that means because also signs the jar file. Okay. Right. So the jar file won't be signed. And that's relatively low impact. Most people don't expect to get signed jar files and hardly anyone that I know of checks that whether they're signed or not. Yeah, low impact low risk. Right. The MSI installer won't be signed. And that's high impact. Yeah, because windows users won't install an unsigned jar. Exactly. Or excuse me, an unsigned MSI.  So one of the proposals and I'll be sending this. I'll send it actually to you Chris to to. I'll send it back home to the Jenkins board and to Vadek Filoni, the security officer and to Damian DuPortal, the infrastructure officer proposing to drop to not generate an MSI with 2.387.2. And I think it's worse to deliver an unsigned one than to not deliver one users that want to upgrade windows to 2.387.2 install an earlier version 2.387.1 and then upgrade the war file. So I don't think the impact is huge. So long as we intentionally do not deliver that thing until we have. And what that would mean is we would test drive that that non delivery of of MSI with the 2.398 weekly next Tuesday. Right so we confirm that it works the way we expect that we were able to successfully disable the MSI, and it didn't break everything and then we use what we learned from that to be sure it's successful on Wednesday when we deliver LTS. Yeah. Any any inputs you want to give their Chris, what do you think. I think. There's a good way to do the issue at the moment. I guess like never know how he takes. Okay, good. All right, so I will. Now in terms of the how to document it. So weekly change log. We'll get an entry, right. Get a banner. Right. The MSI installer is not available. We probably need a blog post explaining why, why the MSI installer has not been is not updated. As far as I can tell when an MSI installers signature expires. There is nothing shown to the Windows user to hint that. We've got old, old, old MSI installers. I brought one up like 1.612 or something, and it opened on my Windows computer just fine, even though it's certificate is long ago expired. So it's tied, it must be tied to the software not to the calendar. Well, it's, it's more that they've they understood that the act of signing a, a, an installer is a validating act, and it doesn't become invalid because the certificate that signed it has reached its end of life. It's still it was validly signed when it was signed. Yeah. So I'm, I think I'd propose that we not modify the, the install documents themselves, just because I hope this won't be a long term thing. So is there any notification out there for people or if they get burned, they'll find it out. Well, they, they will be notified so let's say they, what they would do is they, they pick. Actually, there's one thing we would need to check need to check that the download site doesn't is not broken by the non delivery of 2.387.2, the windows download site, or windows download page I should say 2.387.2 MSI, right. And we'll have to explore to be sure are there other things we should put on the checklist. Reasonable so far. Yep. Okay. Great and I probably won't send that message until tomorrow Chris, I'm just tired today. So 1214 hours from now you should plan to see a message. Okay, cool. Yeah. Any other topics for today's session. No sleep tight. Alright. Thanks everybody. Nice to everybody have a good week. Bye.


Thing is I'm going to show that guy. No, I didn't mean to do that. I'm flipping How's it going everybody? Dato do I hear back with some more dragon ball fighters ranked matches And this time we are once again continuing on with the week of UI Goku matches now We are playing a tournament of power team with Kevla UI Goku himself and Jiren. We're also on the space stage Unfortunately, yeah, we don't have blue Goku so we can't get the dramatic finish, but oh I was gonna say we can get dramatic finish, but I ended up getting confused by my by my own statement trying not to confuse people Do I want to play? Oh, yeah, I forgot to mention. We're rocking the beam assist with Goku just because I don't really know. I just wanted to try the beam assist. I tried a lot of the a Okay, beam assist got rocked see overhead overhead Whoa, I blocked it. That was sick. I'll give it up. That was a nice block beam beam the extension is on the way I Dropped it. Oh, no, I dropped the super. Yeah, I deserve this I deserve to be punished. That was a really bad drop. All I had to do is do the input And I just got lazy. Oh Nice combo Broly assist. You know what? Let me play a bit of UI Goku Wow, that was fast. I didn't think he teleport to the ground from that height, but that caught me off guard That was quick I'm gonna punch this dude in the face I try to add a level three just in case like he blocked it and it's very negative on block So I was like, all right, I'll add a level three that way when he tries to hit me We'll get he woke up with the button. Oh He woke up with the tech and then level three to me. He was like, I see what you were trying to do Let me go ahead and hit that for you You missed the spot, bro. All right, hold on get up with Kefla Honestly the tournament of power team so far is not bad DP wake up. No invincible moves If he doesn't kill me, all right, I gotta get this. Yes. I gotta get I got a UI Goku in here. Maybe it would have been smarter to take the um Please I didn't have chance All right, I see you using that level three But now you now you know what happens, right? I have to mix you with UI Goku I for an eye after all once you once your UI Goku pops off my UI Goku has to pop off. Let's go I dropped it. No Oh, and he actually got the light yo Goku's light string is a lot better than I thought it would be It picks up from a lot like the first jab has very good range and the second one will always hit it that first one does Uh, I don't know if there's any notable exception He didn't make it a true combo. I just assumed that would be true accidentally teched and uh Got killed. All right, hold on. Let's let's clean up Jiren got this Much like in the tournament of power.  I got to use the spark eventually. How's he gonna wake up? No. Okay. We got it No drop the sparking loop I was just I was just trying to start it early This is a lot of damage. Wait, wait a minute. Oh, no They actually buffed really well, it's a buff But only in the sense that they gave back some damage that they didn't mean to take away All right, it hits that's going to be the game can't mess it up here team top Actually takes the first win That's okay. I I'm happy with that You I go clean the back with the Zora this character is still too sick I'm not entirely over it Although I have been practicing in more in trading mode now that he's officially out on the ps4 version Nice, I didn't expect that to hit. I thought he I thought he'd need a little more uh convincing to get opened up How did I mess that one up?  Oh, no. He's still on cooldown. I'm sorry Oh, and this is the worst case scenario. I was I forgot I used his assist So I tried to tag him in and he was still on cooldown It's the first beam switch out. I'm not I'm not trying to get you I go couponage He can stay in the back for now Let Jiren take the let Jiren take the hits. He's already he's already moving up Okay, that's not our turn. I probably should have known that we were really high up Not our turn to press buttons Broly has Convincingly is convincingly told me that Two bars. Can he oh three bars? He just got it. Yeah, that's a kill then He might only need two Oh, he did only need two We can we can make up the headway though. Gohan's already pretty low And I intend to get him back out here You know what? Let's just do it now We're taking out gohan bright and early taking him out bright and early with the dragon rush How much bar do I need? You know what? I'm just gonna mix them The kevlar special reflected too far and the side switch that was sick Not even thinking too hard about it. We're throwing those hands Sliding oh that didn't give sliding. Oh I do it too, man. I think that move is a lot slower than it actually is Vanished. Oh, we already used it That's fine. He's getting caught by keyblast Getting caught by keyblast kevlar just doing all the work But he does she does have a little bit of blue house So we're gonna have to make our exit here pretty soon Just a matter of how do her up. Oh, I couldn't vanish out of that. All right.  It's not worth it. Didn't throw keyblast.  I was testing something I read in the youtube comment. Why did I do that? I'm going all out. Somebody said ui goku's jumping l was two hits Why did I why did I get lied to like that? Why did I believe it? I've seen you i goku's two hits It was incorrect.  I just got lied to I gotta find that comment.  Oh my goodness. Well, I'm still upset. I was lied to why did I deserve that? Dude this character's nuts. Don't even try. Oh I'm out of there. I don't know why I did that. That was very dumb of me It if for the for the chances of winning the game, it would have been better for me to stay in Hopefully we live this. I don't think we have this is limit break go on. We're talking about Oh, we're alive. Oh now. What's up to you? I goku. He has to come in the clutch Don't fail me now. You I goku. You have to do this To one or did he win one? Did I lose? I don't remember Have I lost yet? Raging D. Oh, he cut it off for the raging demon. Okay I think is it two o or two one? I don't know. I don't know. I'm two in the zone. No way. No way I feel you man. That was kind of cheesy Oh, he wants to play you are probably should have just gone with the full link there Why did that guy lie to me? I'm seriously still on that because I didn't even reply to the comment. I just read it went. Okay. Thanks. I didn't know He's probably I'm gonna the thing is I'm going to show that guy. No, I didn't mean to do that I'm flipping Oh this character I love this character Oh my goodness this character is my favorite character. He is my favorite. You know what? Ua goku is my favorite fighting game character of all time not in fighters of all time This is the highest honor I can bestow It's all I have I hope he I hope he can take it Oh my god, that was so sick. I'm just thinking about it I like how I'm doing this on a youtube video where if you guys want to see it You can rewind but then if you rewind the next five minutes of the actual video are like Oh, I wish I could see that again I'm sorry about that guys, but come on in the clutch Don't hit me.  I'll give it up I'll give it up. I'll give it up.  I goku in this back position He's a fiend. Look at his eyes up there. My man knows. He's my man knows. He's dangerous Uh, he actually tried to punch me there just didn't work out spin Why are we lagging? Oh my goodness I don't know why I had to lag like that. We're gonna do a level one from goku so we can take the point Spin back Sick Now we deal with broly He threw the keyblast even though he saw me walking I'm walking dude.  I don't want you. I goku to die. I'm sparking I'm doing it just for you. You I goku The walk. Oh, no, I got both of us hit because I was trying to counter like a fool Okay, admittedly I was a little addicted to trying to go for the walk I was really trying to hit the clip I tried to level am I dead? I tried to level three Two bars building up to three bars. If he gets three bars, he's has the vantage to extend. Oh wait.     I saw you I goku on the windscreen.  Wait, how did what happened to jiren in that game? I don't remember playing as him He must have died.  We're not going to talk about it because I'm sparking but All right jiren take it away Nice. All right, let's see if we can't get this. I'm with that second low I just need a I need to have more confidence in that button that button is really good standing medium It's a secondary low option. Remember that please me. I'm begging you Oh counter And a little bit of a roll oh counter I see your counter, but have you seen my counter? So you have No, what are you doing? Okay. I forgot I didn't have spark.  He didn't do it. All right. We have to level one I was trying to I was trying to be greedy, but let me not Let me not be greedy with ui goku literally in the back bleeding My man needs his health back We're gonna do the vanish route Nice. Keep me safe.  It's scary And then it doesn't help he was leaping around me constantly He knew what he was doing on that one though. He knew he was he was putting fear into me And he was totally happy with that Okay, no escape. That's fine one bar down. I think we're gonna leave jeering out just try to deal with this a little bit Uh Yeah, we're gonna leave jeering out maybe We want to do that though I'm not entirely decided on what I feel like doing with jeering He's out. He's out. He's out. Save the assist. The assist is good. This is good. That's invincible. He missed this. Help me Oh, I try to click buttons. I'm regretting switching jeering out already by the way I feel like resetting neutral with a less health character might have been a better better deal But who knows we we gotta we gotta live with our the lives we uh chose to live That was a sick grab and I'm not even sure if he meant to do that I'm gonna say he did though That was amazing Oh one bar flip back come here broly. That was sick. Play my outro play my outro Boom boom boom boom Flash the ah he skipped them before the rages team it but hopefully you guys enjoyed this one if you did Let me know down below what you're feeling about ui goku now that we're three days in Technically the weekend hasn't even really begun It's just now beginning But while you're down in the comments if you did like the video and the channel Make sure to the like button and subscribe To keep up to date on the rest of ui goku week as we I'm sure implement more tech There was I did try to go for the optimal b and b and b in the corner to build two bars But I dropped it Check out some other videos that should be on top of your screen right now other than that I've been dr. Doya and I will see you in the next video


A glue-up technique you should know about. Hola woodworkers, Paul Carlson here, a small workshop guy. If you notice a bad left eye, I got a shot in it and the doctor hit a blood vessel, so it's in bad shape right now. I saw a video recently by Nick Ferry, had a technique in it that I thought was worth sharing. And that's an aid to gluing up multiple pieces into a larger piece. Fast forward through the actual glue-up, there's nothing magical about putting glue on some boards. So here's the technique. Turn them over this way. So grab that panel clamp, open the jaws, put it around your board. Put the jaws closed down, bring it up onto your work table, and start to tighten it a little bit. What you're doing is aligning, at least on the bottom, your boards. And now things aren't sliding around. You can adjust them to get them right where you want them. Tighten that down a little bit more. So that's the trick right there, using your panel clamp. So now we're going to come in and use our clamps that are going to put the pressure in the direction that it needs to be in order to get some squeeze out. And I want to thank Nick Ferry for sharing that. It will forever be in my repertoire. I like those French words, repertoire. Although I remember George Bush once said, you know the problem with him, ding, French, is they don't have a word for entrepreneur. George, maybe that is their word. I like that technique. Thank you, Nick. Nick Ferry, I hope you like that technique as well. Small workshop guy, signing off.


The fact that we don't see things eye to eye, the fact that you interpret the world differently than I do, is not a drawback, it's actually a feature of our world. And the only way we're going to solve our global problems together is if we can accept each other's mutual frames and try to find in good faith a way to accommodate them so that we can solve our problems and integrate them for better decision making. This is Rob Johnson, President of the Institute for New Economic Thinking. I'm here today with Kenneth Cookeye to discuss his new book, Framers, Human Advantage in an Age of Technology and Turmoil. Thanks for joining me today, Ken. Absolutely, great to be here. Ken, how would I say? You're very familiar with our, what we might call it, the economics terrain. I know you're an associated editor at The Economist and involved with Chatham House and various other institutions. So I really look forward to seeing this, what I might say, relationship between AI, human beings in the context of economic challenges. I think our listeners are going to have a very nice experience here. Ken, I'm quite curious. You've got the new book. How does it relate to big data? And more importantly, at the essence, what inspired you to write this on planet Earth at this time? That's such a good question. And you're right to actually point to the earlier book, Big Data. It wouldn't be so obvious, I think, for a lot of people to realize that here there's a book about cognitive psychology, a book about liberalism, a book about business and business strategy, and that it relates to an earlier book about data, but it certainly does. And the reason why is that when Big Data came out in 2013 and it hit the New York Times bestseller list, which was brilliant and we're very honored that it did, and it made a nice contribution to how people thought about machine learning and artificial intelligence, because, of course, Big Data is sort of shorthand in the valley for machine learning, and it certainly was at the time. We were sort of brandished the evangelists of AI and the evangelists of Big Data and the cheerleaders of it. And I willingly accepted that title because I felt that there was so much about artificial intelligence to cheer. And I still do think that way. But we were unfairly tarnished as well. And we were unfairly tarnished because people said, well, these guys are just talking about correlations and giving up on causality. And they have this view that you can just trust the data, and that's enough, but of course, you need a model for data, and that model's really important, and you can't just trust correlations and give up on causality. And we said, we met them halfway, if you will. We do feel that we're in a world, particularly in machine learning, validates this, that the correlation often is good enough, although, of course, causality is still the gold standard. But be that as it may, we always presumed that the data would exist in a model. We never thought that they wouldn't, and people sort of ascribed and sort of slung arrows at us in that way. So to fast forward, we were listening to the criticisms, but at the same time, we were watching what was going on in terms of artificial intelligence. Just take off like rapeseed and get improvements that were faster than anyone had ever thought was going to be possible, and be adopted more commonly than we thought was going to be even quicker, and we were the optimists of it, while at the same time, we saw populism and creeping authoritarianism, and even a winnowing of the public sphere because of cancel culture. And we were nervous about both of these trends melding together, where we have AI sort of being endowed with too much authority, too much power, and the human being diminished. And we said, me and Victor, and Francis as well, said, no, no, no.  And so we need to actually focus not on what humans do poorly, like Dan O'Connor and O'Connor biases, we need to focus on what humans do really, really well, which is they generate mental models, they apply mental models, they think of the world with a simulation in mind, and then by doing so, and if they're good at it, they can actually change the world. So it bends towards their will, and we should celebrate this and we need to get better at it if we're going to tackle our biggest challenges. So from that sort of seedling of big data and the success of it, we focused our minds on taking the story to its next increment, which isn't, if you will, AI, we take as given that AI will be as transformative and positive, as we believe it to be, as it will be. But we say, no, no, no, the point is not to focus on the AI. The point is to double down on human beings and get better at that. Yeah, yeah, well, you know, many of the, I'll be a little bit technical, but many of the philosophers who I talked to about economics and economic history, economic history of thought, and dynamics, talk about epistemological or ontological uncertainty ontological mean there are unknown unknowns both in the realm of outcomes and in the realm of probability assignment.  And all we need is more computing power, and then it will come into focus. And my sense is there's some ontological uncertainty present.  I have a lot of friends in the insurance industry. And they say, climate change is scary, because we don't have actual aerial tables about what this looks like. So we got to evolve the model by learning. And that's exactly right. Let me pick up on that, because it's just so essential. People in the climate change environment, look at the data, and they say, Hey, climate change is happening, look, the temperature is rising. But then there's people, statisticians often who actually know something about data, they look at it and this and they're the naysayers of the climate change deniers. And they say, they look at it and they say, the data just doesn't do what you say it does just because it's going up doesn't mean it's not going to go down. Their model is different. So how do you square these two things? And the and the dirty little secret in the biz is that the pure statistician approach isn't incorrect. It is true that if you simply look at rising temperatures as your data point, that does not actually tell you anything about causality. And it doesn't tell you that humans were responsible for that. But what you need is a model. And what you need in particular, is a counterfactual. And so actually in our book, we open up a chapter on counterfactuals by talking about two incredible women, right? And it's relevant that interestingly, it should be women, right? Eunice Funn, who has been really forgotten in history as the woman who before John Tydale of the Royal Society, was the scientist who made the link the causal link between, excuse me, the, it was pure causality link here of carbonic gas, carbon dioxide, and rising atmospheric temperatures that when you the sun rays hits it, that actually it gets hotter than with natural air, and it takes a longer time to cool down. So it's a great win there that you can actually see the mechanism that if you have European factories that are belching out factory smoke in the dark satanic mills, that yes, in fact, you're if you increase the carbonic acid content of atmospheric air, earth is going to heat up at some point.  Okay, so the baton gets passed in the 1980s to Eunice Funn at Berkeley, and am I previously MIT, who was working for NASA under Jim Henson, right, the fellow who came up with the famous testimony, right, before Congress that basically said there is such a thing as climate change, and every scenario from from middling to okay to dire is bad, and all of them are bad, all the scenarios are bad. But what she did is she applied the counterfactual to say, What if you have earth without humans? And if you have earth with humans, what is the difference of the natural rate of atmospheric temperature change? And when you do it that way, of course, you cannot run the experiment, because there's only one earth, you need to run a counterfactual model, you need to create a simulation of it. And that idea of the counterfactual is what's so important. And so one of the features of a mental model or a frame, as we call it in the book, is not only is counterfactuals, it's not only causality, it's not only counterfactuals, it's also constraints. But here we can focus on just the role of counterfactuals. And that's how you get you need the mental model to understand climate change and to identify the role of humans as responsible for climate change. Yeah, when I used to work as a financial investor, I often would teach at schools or give lectures at schools. And I had a metaphor that I use, which is the only thing you can observe is the price. But behind it, there is a pendulum that swings back and forth the ball. And there's a fulcrum. But the only thing you see is the ball. And as an investor, you've got to figure out is this mean reverting, meaning when the pendulum swings out, it will return back to the balance point. Or is the fulcrum drifting from structural change. So when you see it out there, if you take what you might call the other side for the return to balance, you're going to get rolled over. So you had to get into the structural dynamics, the instability of models, in order to draw proper inference about what's taking place. And of course, it's just I try to make a simple metaphor that people could use your mind say latch on to the the dimensionalities that were in play. And you're you've taken it to a much more sophisticated place than I would be able to both as a seer and as a writer. But but I thought that kind of window kind of creates a bridge into the kind of things you're working to illuminate without a doubt. I mean, that's of course, behind iNet, in general, as an institution in which it understands that the world is more complex than we think. It's more adaptive that we think that there's an inherent instability that we think. And we make this point in the book as well. In fact, one of the more delightful vignettes that we point to is Andrew Lowe's work, Andrew Lowe of MIT, the economist who is trying to reframe, if you will, economics away from the mental model of 19th century physics of a world of fluid dynamics and equilibrium to a world of biology, which focuses on a mental model of evolution and growth and change. And when you do that, suddenly, what it means is that we're not as economists or as financiers, or as even business people or people acting agents in the world, we're not looking at an entity that has these sort of static rules of which we're trying to divine what they are and then apply them, that the actual environment that we're in that we're living in itself is unstable, itself is changing and dynamic. And therefore, everything we learn and then when we make an action changes the underlying environment and state that it's in, and we need to learn and change again. Now, if you take that mental model of sort of not stock but flow, for so to speak, when it comes to thinking about the economy and then apply it to business, you can see that one reason why some businesses do incredibly well and others less well, are those businesses that are understanding and have a mental model, the inherent change of the environment that they're operating in, where there's constant cycles of turnaround and that what they did yesterday has not zero, but almost zero validity for today. A lot of companies that don't operate on that speed and that on that clock, if you will, are going to fail or even if they try to, they don't make those right decisions. Now, places like Amazon and others who are able to collect data and have a data advantage are ostensibly better off to actually learn faster, can also hopefully have the right sort of environment, business environment, that they make a mistake they can respond and rebound more quickly and better to actually course correct, shape shift, meet the market where it is and succeed. But it's not a given because before it's a strategy, it has to be a mental model and it's hard for it to be something that you just simply read about in the book and learn. It's got to be sort of in your DNA. You've got to be like, it's got to be baked in rather than sprinkled on top. What I find fascinating is I was reading through your book. I want to kind of come back to the bridge to the big data book. There is a sense that I experience that people sometimes think everybody's anxious, the world's very uncertain. So big data is sort of the thing that can make us all feel calmer. Or the economist who pretends to be able to see the future even though he can't, which we might call a demagogue, is reassuring until his false projections are unmasked. What I'm getting at is that in your book really gets into this. Emotion is very present here. The yearning for certainty can, what you might call, make you susceptible to mirages. So I'm looking at a book and I think I remember, yeah, I read this, Will I Am? The musician, an entrepreneur gave you and endorsed me. He said, a great book filled with fresh perspective to help us during the rise of AI so we can usher in the age of humanity. So I'm back at the inspiration out of big data and into this realm, the role of radical uncertainty and the role of emotion. Exactly. So it is strange. What is he talking about? Why is Will I Am endorsing our book? And why is he talking about the age of humanity and the age of AI? And the reason why is that we start from talking about AI, from and take as a given that AI will be as transformative and as positive and beneficial as we want it to be. So we're the optimists of AI, we're not the naysayers of AI. However, we believe that that's not where the focus needs to be. It's because AI, although it can do great things for us and hope that it does, can't do something very fundamental that humans can do in that frame, that is to say generate mental models, apply mental models and reinvent new mental models if the old models don't work. And the reason why is because the very components that make a frame useful are the very things that artificial intelligence cannot do. In particular, causality. AI has no understanding of it. Humans are extremely good at it. In fact, you might even say that the flaw of humans is that we're so good at it, we even see causality where it doesn't really exist. Yeah, we project it onto the scene. But that's not such a bad thing in them itself. And the reason why is is because it presumes that the world is an understandable place. It's a predictable place and a repeatable place. And that with our intellect, we can understand some of these features of it and then take a causal template of how the world works and apply it to other circumstances. So we can make abstractions based on that causality. The second thing, and of course, artificial intelligence cannot do that. In fact, if you make one small adjustment, it was an example, if you were to play chess and you were to take away some squares that just couldn't be played, the computer would fall down completely where the human being would simply adapt. And the reason why is we have a frame of the game of chess. And with that model, we can easily adapt it and change it and make small little side cuts to it and still apply it in another way of thinking of a causal frame is I see butter melting on a stove. I now can tell you all about what might happen if I put zinc in a furnace, right? Artificial intelligence simply cannot do that because it cannot make abstractions, it can't generalize it, it can't take that representation and apply it to something new. It has to relearn it all. Like an animal has to relearn everything from scratch again. Second thing is counterfactuals, right? It's to say a counterfactual is a what if question. It's not the world that is, it's the world that could be. The whole point of artificial intelligence, the best technique that we have in deep learning, but also the others like reinforcement learning and others is that it learns from a large body of data. It needs actually gargantuan amounts of data to learn to overcome the fact that I can't render abstractions. The point about human beings is that we don't have the information we invented because we can actually use our counterfactual thinking to imagine a world that isn't to come up with data that we don't have or experiences that we haven't observed and make decisions based on. So for example, how do you go to the moon? How do you relight an engine in the middle of space in which there's no atmosphere? There's no oxygen?  We could do experiments on Earth, but the point is that before we experiment on Earth, we'd come up with a mental model and then we render it. And then the third is the constraints. We impose constraints on meaningful and the right constraints that are right for the time in the given circumstances. And we're not great at it, but we're pretty good at it. And because of that, we can do things well. We as humanity sometimes flounder, but often as humanity, we exceed ourselves and do great things. A computer can give you counterfactual constraints. Oh, yes, it can. It can give you half a trillion of them in 30 seconds, right? But the point is it can't give you the meaningful ones in time. So for that reason, although we're optimistic about artificial intelligence, we are also vaulting this human capability of framing. And this is coming at the time where on one side, we have what we call the hyperrationalists, the people in Silicon Valley and elsewhere, who say human beings have such problems with their decision making because of their content biases, because the data is biased. That in fact, what we need to do, well, we'll leave the data biased for a moment. Let me put that aside. Because human being just human decision making is biased and has limitations in it, that what we need to do is hand off some of these decisions to the machine to make it fair, to make it better, such as, you know, loan applications that don't rely on a white loan officer judging a black applicant, but can simply just look at the data. Now, there are ways in which that's the right answer, but in extremists, it's the wrong answer because you want human beings who have mental models to it. On the other side are the emotionalists, as you said and the emotionalists are the populists. They're almost like, we're so in man who don't want reflection, rationality, Cartesian facts and logic, because it's inauthentic. What we want is the soul's expression of itself face the universe. And this is the world of Bolsonaro and Trump and maybe Boris Johnson in Britain, if you're going to be ungenerous as one should be and say that this is the world in which, you know, that the instincts of one's humanity is the legitimacy that one needs to make decisions. So you can shake people's hands at a COVID hospital. And lo and behold, you're on a ventilator three weeks later. That's so we wanted something that would sit in the middle of that to say, the hyper rationalists don't have the answer. It's not a world of ice cold algorithms or should it be. The emotionalists don't have an answer. We shouldn't rely on populist simplifications to a complex world. Instead, what we need to do is understand our unique ability as human beings to become good frameless, to get better at working within a frame or reframing when we need to in order to solve our problems. Yeah, you know, in my own life, after finance, I've worked finance and politics, I worked in the music and film realm for a while. And a lot of my friends who come and watch things at Inet from that realm say to me, what are you doing with all these experts? They're more emotionless. And what they say is, I said, well, you know, both left and right brains are necessary or what have you as analogies. But they come back to me. And it's not that they don't think that the right brain, or excuse me, that they think the right brain is superior because it's heartfelt. It's they think that experts are not doing analysis, they're doing marketing for power. And when they're doing marketing for power, they are becoming cold hearted and personally ambitious and not providing for the public good. This I hear this over and over from people that work, particularly in film, that the, which are my called the heart minded, what you call the emotionalists are anchored to a more loving, if you will, process. And the cold analysis is subject to corruption. I don't I think that's too, too simplistic. And you've kind of created both the yin and yang here on both sides of this. But but it is what I hear in criticism of economics. I don't totally disagree with it. And I think a part of it is the message, part of it is the ground truth, part of it is the messaging. I think that let me take a step back and speak from personal experience. When Ted came around, I was an early sort of Tedster, I was an early sort of adherent to Ted. But in a but not in the way that I think a lot of people would have liked because I thought I was so angry at it and repugnant. Now, there was Ted before Chris Anderson in the 90s, which was a small little sort of sect of interested people doing extraordinary things that pay a lot of money to do and then it got sold, of course, to Chris Anderson and then became they've then put their videos online. And I really disliked it at the outset, because it was sort of like pop academia. It was taking what I thought at the time, some of the most scintillating minds on planet Earth and forcing them to speak in 15 minutes about their expertise in a way that I thought was that did violence to it because it was so it was such a simplification. I thought the talks actually were pretty good. But what I really disliked was the chatter afterwards amid the coffees by people who thought they knew all about particle physics, because they heard a 15 minute Ted talk, and that they had clear form license to challenge the world's foremost physicists about his ideas, because they clearly understood the alpha omega of it because they sat for 15 minutes uninterrupted, not texting on their phone. He did it. And I've got 180 degrees. I've actually I think that actually is they've done a brilliant job because they've done. I think there is a great value in the crystallization of ideas by great minds. Absolutely. But the second thing that they've done, which is which is just as important maybe more important is that they meld at their best the analytical right hemisphere with the creative emotional left hemisphere. And suddenly, I think the ideas stick better. It's a great way of communicating. In fact, it's so important that one of the things I do with the economist is I run and affect the bed page, if you will, something called by invitation. And I get our contributors not to simply write their ideas. Now the ideas, big ideas. But just I say, tell me, why is it that you're writing it?  Why you give me your credibility? Say, I want to hear about the first person, what you have done. Right. And I want I also want to find a little emotional levers because the economist is so analytical and we're accused of being dry. I don't think we're dry whatsoever. I think we're since late. However, we're accused of being dry because we are so rational and analytical that I want to use this technique of bringing in emotion and finding a balance balance to it and getting these ideas to stick. And if we can do that successfully, we can have more of an impact in the world. And it's about having an impact. So I agree with those people who criticize economics and even some of the economists, as Julia Bender called it in the 1930s, the treason of the clerks, like the cheap the treason of the scholars who exactly who who have sort of given up on their integrity. In that case, it's about playing a role in policy and leading the world of ideas. But what if Julian Bender was alive today, he would point to his scholars who are giving talks of Goldman Sachs for, you know, for six figure speaking fees and giving up on their integrity of how influence in the world, but being unblemished with lucre. The rise of Trump was in part because you could look at the sort of governing class, the elites for lack of a better term in American politics, and he was able to say, hey, they're all on the take. And they didn't have a response to that. I think that's too bad because I've got nothing against, you know, you know, talks up to investment banks, in fact, I think the world's the better place if you have these porous ideas that go from academia to investors and vice versa. In fact, the point about the book is ultimately reinterpreting liberalism through the lens of cognitive science and arriving at pluralism, but a cognitive pluralism and pluralism does not mean that we it's not that we all agree with something that we're all open minded. It's that we can allow differences and different ideas to clash. And in that tension, we can funnel and challenge that channel that tension. Yes, productively to arrive at a better place. How say moving towards the latter parts of your book. I was reminded as I was reading the last chapter of it out of very human episodes, some people I know well, we're consulting with the Silicon Valley firm about their workforce, racial diversity, gender diversity and what have you. At the time when this firm was creating AI algorithms to monitor people and detect who might become a criminal. So it was what you might call an early warning system designed to protect society by catching ahead of the curve who should be watched. So we go in the old westerns had them off at the past. So the crime never gets committed. The injury never is incurred. But what happened was that this wasn't a human improvisational thing. This was a database created by white people. And in the algorithm, all kinds of probably unconscious, not mean intent, but unconscious triggers. When the algorithm was tried, it encouraged law enforcement agencies to essentially hound and track black people. And what was interesting was my friends who were working on this could see the demoralization of the black employees and they're considering leaving and they're, you know, very vocal to these consultants. And the response was to actually have those people join the design team to inject that broader sensitivity and humanity. So you're not I'm trying to relate to your book. You're not giving up the value of AI, but you're humanizing the AI in a way that makes it serve mankind better. And I thought it was a fantastic experience. And as your last chapter, I think it's called vigilance. What? Jump off from there and tell me a little bit about what is your recommendation to all of us in light, you know, at the pinnacle of this book in that realm. Yeah. So that's a beautiful story that you shared. And I think that is also shows a lot of wise management, shows a lot of patience and decency among the employees as well, because they could have they could have left. They could have petitioned management. Some did. Yeah. To discontinue doing this. I think both of those answers would have been insufficient, although I can appreciate why people would embrace them. Far better is to engage and to say, OK, this is a problem. How can we fix this? What would be the solution? What role can I play? And as you pointed out, bringing them into the design team is exactly right. It brings their frame, their diverse way of looking at the world into the product design and therefore into the outcome that's going to be driven from it. Because of course the question is, well, what was wrong in it? And we should be sort of very sort of distilling in terms of where the problem is. Was the problem that we were actually trying to apply an algorithm to make a prediction of crime? Maybe not, because of course we really want to use algorithms to predict things like cancer just as Amazon likes to have algorithms predict what we're going to purchase. So we become it's a lot easier for us to find new books or to listen to music if we've got these predictive algorithms. So that's not the problem. Was it the algorithm itself? In fact, you would say, oh, there was a problem that applies in the algorithm. But I think that was a shorthand that you said. I think if you thought about it and rewound, you'd say, well, that's not really the problem, per se. The algorithm wasn't biased. The algorithm is just the algorithm. In fact, the algorithm is just simply the mathematical representation of a formula that might probably be changed based on the data itself, as these algorithms are. But it's not the fault of the algorithm. The algorithm is fine. The flaw is in the model and the model that the algorithm generated was flawed because of something else. And that was the underlying data that data has an information quotient to it. Data is a representation of something that's informational. It is always a mirror to the ground truth. It's not the thing itself. It is the abstraction of the thing itself in the same way that the map is not territory. So if the data itself, the information quotient of the data is somehow wrong and therefore biased because there's an implicit bias in society. For example, if you did it on arrest records, right, bookings, or better yet, even convictions. I mean, it would be completely wildly different. A conviction doesn't say that somebody did a crime and it does say that somebody did a crime, got caught, went through the judicial system and got a sentence, right? There's a lot of, there's a lot of chains of causality in that, right? It's because, of course, if you have a really good defense lawyer, right, or you're the sort of person who, for whatever reason, can talk your way out of getting brought to the station at the first instance, you're not even going to get to that last stage. People who don't have a lot of resources and might have the wrong color skin are going to get convicted, as we know from the data, at a much higher rate than other classes, whether you're wealthy or whether you're white, you wouldn't get to that point, right? So the point is that the data itself was biased in some way and therefore when it generated a model, the model recreated that bias that was seen in society. So what do we do about that? So the idea of having a predictive algorithm that could sort of identify where crime is, might be a really valuable tool when police forces are stretched and they need to focus their fire on where the resources are best put to keep our community safe. And that's something that we should all sign up for. I mean, that sounds like a very reasonable thing. I mean, everyone has an interest in public safety as long as it's done well under the rule of law and the constraints that are put on our guardians and our community. It's a never ending battle. However, the idea of bringing those people in is really important. And so what we where we end the book Framers is the idea of vigilance that we need to be masters of this technology, not our servants, that we need to embrace artificial intelligence, but we also need to embrace our humanity and impose our frames on it and direct it where it goes. At the same time, we need to live together and work together, but it's not simply about cooperation. That's the U of L Harare story in which we all need to cooperate. We all need to get on the same page and see things the same way. And that is not what we are saying. We don't need this homogeneity and uniformity of thought, right? Though we lock arms as brothers and sisters of our shared human experience and march into our future. Let us accept our differences. Let us accept the fact that you frame things differently than I frame things and we should allow this furnishing, this flourishing of multiplicity of frames provided that your frame does not invalidate or try to deny the existence of my frame. That is the sort of the red line that we that we invoke like Karl Popper's paradox of intolerance that we can't broach. But barring that, the fact that we don't see things eye to eye, the fact that you interpret the world differently than I do, is not a drawback. It's actually a feature of our world and the only way we're going to solve our global problems together is if we can accept each other's mutual frames and try to find in good faith a way to accommodate them so that we can solve our problems and integrate them for better decision making.


So good evening and thank you for having me. My name is Clarice Neville and I work at the University of Leicester as part of the Complex Review Support Unit, the CRSU. Today I'll be talking about a pilot for an interactive living network meta-analysis web application that we developed last year. So 2020 and the delights of COVID-19. Trials for COVID-19 started being published in April 2020. There are now 2,533 clinical trials registered worldwide. Within these trials, various treatments are being tested simultaneously. These include pharmacological therapies such as hydroxychloroquine and Remdesivir and biological therapies to name just a few. As a consequence, an increasing number of protocols for synthesizing COVID-19 evidence have been registered worldwide. Currently there are 489 systematic review protocols on Prospero, aiming to synthesize evidence on COVID-19 treatments on patients on bearing severity. As a group, we saw that there was potentially huge amounts of duplication or unnecessary work being created. We noted that a lot of the systematic reviews being conducted were using the same pool of data, but the difference between the protocols lied in drawing varied subgroups to soups, if it research questions. This motivated us to try and develop a central platform that could hold and synthesize COVID-19 study data, but allow users to adjust the analysis to suit their own research questions. So very briefly, network meta-analysis NMA synthesizes study results involving more than two interventions and creates comparisons between all interventions involved. The CRSU already host a web app to let users carry out NMA without the need of specialist software, namely Meta Insight. It was built using R and the Shiny package. This is a screenshot of the app. You can navigate through the app using the tabs at the top, including a tab to load in your own data. On the left is a panel to choose further options. You can also use this to do a sensitivity analysis by deselecting certain studies and comparing the results to the original analysis as seen here between the two network diagrams. There is a data summary tab, which gives data characteristics, study results and network plots. There is a tab to run the analysis under frequentist methods, and this uses the net meta package in R. And then there's also a tab to do so in Bayesian methods instead. This uses the GEMTC package in R where models are estimated using JAGS. So using Meta Insight as our base, we created a spin-off version named Meta Insight COVID-19. In a nutshell, we developed an interactive web-based platform to allow exploration, various analyses and interrogation of up-to-date data from existing living systematic reviews or treatment for COVID-19. As we wanted to focus on developing the user interface and functionality, we didn't actually carry out a systematic review ourselves. Instead, we extracted systematic review data from the COVID-NMA initiative up to the 19th of October, which was the end date of our pilot project. We stored the data on a Google Sheet, which was linked to the app via the Google Sheets 4 package. So each week the data would be extracted and the Google Sheet updated. And having the app linked to the Google Sheet ensured that the analysis results were always automatically updated. By building the app on top of the existing Meta Insight app, all of the functionality that I described earlier is in the COVID app. The tab to load in your own data was removed and a summary front page was built instead. So now I'm going to try and give a quick demonstration of the app. So here we have it. At the top you can see when the data was last updated. We decided to look at three outcomes in particular, mortality, viral negative conversion and serious adverse events. Here you can view the data and you can view all the different pages of the data. You can see the network plot here and you can choose the different style of network plot if you wish. And here we have a summary of the results as a forest plot. So you can change which studies you want, you can choose them by like clicking them. Or you can use the filter function here, so I want to do standard care and that one. And that will then show you which studies used it. I won't show you the results because you need to make sure that everything is still connected in the network and that all the elements of the studies are there.  So I just wanted to quickly go over two examples of challenges that we came across during development and how we tackled them. So firstly quite early on we found that the size of the network became quite large. This had an impact on that visually network diagrams were becoming cluttered with text overlaying each other, and forest plots were actually running off the plot space and moving on to a second plot. And secondly, we tackled this case by case by altering the user interface parts of shiny to cope with the size. And secondly, there are a few instances where we found that it would have been beneficial if we could include node merging and splitting. So nodes represent the treatments within your network. So node merging would involve say grouping all the intravenous treatments in your network into one treatment group, and then they would remain as one group throughout the analysis and node splitting would then do the reverse. So instances when we had to decide in our group, whether to have nodes together or separate, and this decision remained fixed in the app. Whereas if we had a node merging splitting feature this would allow the user to decide rather than us. So after the process of developing meta inside COVID-19, can we develop a living meta inside app. From what we've learned from this pilot app, I think there are two options moving forward. One, similar to the COVID-19 version, we just create bespoke user interfaces for presenting living systematic reviews of individual disease areas. The users then explore and interrogate the data and analyze as they see fit. The second option is to try and create a generic user interface similar to meta insight where users can upload and update their own living database and then use the functionalities of the app in a similar way. Whichever way it goes, there are lots of other things to consider if we did develop a living meta insight from user functionality to intrinsic challenges within the field of living systematic reviews. But overall, the pilot project was successful and that we learned a lot about what would be needed to develop a user interface for living enemies and we're keen to develop this further and would love to hear any feedback if you do have it. So thank you for your time and I look forward to any questions or discussions.


A lot of people ask me, what is Invisalign? If the dentist tells them they're going to need ortho, they're going to need braces, they then ask me, well, can I just have Invisalign, that clear retainer that people put in and it makes their teeth straighter? So let me explain what Invisalign is to you and why it may or may not be the best option. So let me show you guys a photo first. So this is what Invisalign looks like. What it is, you get a series of clear retainers and they're going to change every month, even maybe twice a month, depending on what your schedule is. It depends on how bad your teeth are starting off with. If there's a lot of spaces that need to be filled in, if your teeth need to be shifted a lot, then it might take two years of Invisalign changing the trays every month. It's hard to say. Your dentist or your orthodontist can tell you a lot more. But what Invisalign is, is you're going to be wearing these trays, these retainers, all day, every day. You take them out for eating, that's it because these are slowly moving your teeth to the position where you want them to be. And once the teeth start moving, well, then those retainers aren't going to fit anymore. So then they need to order you new ones, you go pick them up and then you have new retainers. Once the teeth shift and move even more, then guess what? You need new ones. So that's how Invisalign works. It's not typically cheaper than your regular orthodontic treatment. It's not even more expensive. It's usually about the same. So if you're thinking about Invisalign to save money, it's probably going to be the same cost anyway. But it really does depend on how your teeth are starting out with. I can't give you the exact cost. It could be $6,000. It could be $8,000. It could be less or it could be more. So please talk to your dentist about that. And then, so this is what the retainers look like when, oops, sorry guys, let's go back here, when they're inside the mouth. So they are clear. And believe it or not, people can't tell unless they're like looking at your teeth, they're like watching you. They won't be able to tell you have them in. That's the nice thing about Invisalign. They are clear, but you have to be dedicated. You have to always have them in, only take them out when eating. If you say to yourself, oh, I'm just gonna wear them a couple hours a day. Your teeth aren't going to shift. Believe me, I wish it was that easy, but it's not. So you have to be dedicated to wear them all day, every day, only take them out when eating and then put them right back in. So this is just a little example for you of, Invisalign is meant to correct mistakes that honestly aren't that bad. Now I look at this picture and this patient, this person looks like they have an overbite. Typically overbite or sorry, open bites, open bites. This person is biting down, but notice how there's a space here. It should look like this. This is the after photo. I'm guessing this person did need some orthodontic treatment, so not just Invisalign. Invisalign can't change how you bite down. What Invisalign does is it's going to correct spaces or correct very small tips or rotations. So if you're looking inside your mouth right now and you're saying to yourself, ooh, I have a lot of crowding. There's a lot of tips, a lot of rotations. I have spaces. I can't bite down all the way. That's an extreme example, but Invisalign probably won't work for you. But I don't know, you have to be checked out by the dentist and they will let you know. Not all dentists, not all orthodontic specialists do Invisalign. So check with your dentist first. If you're a good candidate for Invisalign, they might say no and then the journey stops there because you might need more. You might need different orthodontic treatment to really change your mouth first. Your palate might be too small. So your palate needs to be adjusted to make it bigger. Invisalign does not do that. Invisalign is for the teeth only. Very small mistakes need to be corrected. So please talk to your dentist and they will let you know. I hope this helped you guys. Comment below if any questions and I will talk to you guys in the next one.