e and its slings and arrows assaulted us we learned how to shut down selectively and boys weren't more than more than girls and the girls bodies being generally speaking nowadays it's changing a lot being more soft and and boys you know it's changed a lot now but uh because we need the body to feel a hard body is a hard person doctor lowland used to say don't get don't try to get six packs a round belly is a healthy belly they tell that they're women they don't want to hear it my wife says look i'm getting some abs I don't want you to get abs useless what I say so so what else so anyway we're one so that he left but so it's not something we stop and do we can and whenever we can pay attention to what's happening in my body physically in terms of physical sensation and the more I connect that with the with whatever I experience in the outer world outside of myself the more that that natural connection and being present in the body develops it's pretty important and that practice that's done over time I try to tell people to do those exercises at least four times a week because it's cumulative like I say it's not learning something new it's not some new technique that I've learned and it's now in my procedural memory so it's remembering something was already there in this first place that we avoided and we covered over and we went you know it's an alternative but what else well I think those I mean the question what he said is and I didn't actually say previous generations had more empathy but the fact that empathy was coming down and he was saying the previous generations were also more stoic yes and no and and so how we define that and whether we're recognizing people as being stoic or conservative or well mannered I mean there's so many sort of twists we can put on it you know to understand how what's changed in a healthy community I don't think it was stoic it was very loving and open that means more connection and it means it especially and another thing that you have to look at in terms of the traditional communities is time they had more time in the prophecy what it said time is contracting that's a very deep principle I mean if time is contracting yeah it seems like that I mean I've never been anyone that doesn't feel like it's everything is going faster and we have less time but that's the thing I mean so I mean it depends I mean they're healthy traditional communities and there's variations in those cultural styles of how they connect with each other you know the Native Americans where I am with all of the tribal peoples there there's eight northern major tribes that live around us there and one of the things they like to do and they love to do is spend time with each other but that means I'm sitting here Leroy sitting there Uncle Ben is sitting there and then they say they've one one said to me what do these white people have to talk all the time just the presence they love I mean look at that what is it saying we've lost so much from the fragmentation and the shattering of societies and the implications that are so enormous and the connections so the so the theme of this workshop is connect you know presence first of all being who we are where we are at any given time for ourselves first and then for others and then the connections that is the integrity and coherence in our own self body they will enable that more easily and more naturally and organically with others so I mean we have to look at the whole picture I think that's maybe what I'm trying to say yeah so just to add to what the brother was mentioning um maybe Stoic I I think I see where where where you're coming from yeah um but you know you mentioned like if we look at the last 100 200 years there's a lot of trauma that that humankind has gone through a lot of displacement a lot of generational changes um and so you know when we do look at older generations and we consider them culturally when we look at them as Stoic I would say maybe that they've been now trained to perhaps not show emotions shut off their emotions as a again as a coping mechanism kind of what you were alluding to and you know and it's kind of like well this is the way we're supposed to be and that's not necessarily the case you you're talking about again things hit us in life and we kind of shut down that that can happen to an entire generation or to a certain people in a certain area that have gone through a lot of hardship as well and then that's passed on by curiously or generationally and that's true and and the the high the high context cultures were not Stoic but they had a very precise and detailed behavioral pattern that went with that culture and it often wasn't expressing emotions or over expressing emotions or as people told me as American will you Americans like to let it all hang out but we have to remember too that if there's coherence in the community and there's love in the community there's this connection in a family for example and there's neighbors that care neighbors down the street if that's taking place it's very different in terms of what the needs people have are because they feel held they don't need this sort of acute fire engine kind of need to manage the trauma by the same token you know there's this I can't remember his name he's a philosopher kind of sociologist and he says well it's a mistake to think that we have all this trauma in the modern world there's much more trauma in the past and that we're just you the first world problem kind of we're babing and the only problem with that argument is yes I mean you know hordes rode through cities and had killed everyone we we know this happened historically but people also were there for each other to deal with you know the Vietnam War was an important turning point in the sense that we brought this up yesterday to me I still have a hard time grasping that more people died by their own hand in the war and that's because they were not prepared to go to war they did in the second world war second world war they came back and there was family there for waiting for them there was there was a context of others that changed in the block and what for the people who during trauma work back when I started which is over 20 years ago we all agreed well this is this whole thing with Afghanistan stuff for law and I keep mentioned or all the things that's happening modern it's going to be worse because no one's connected to other people they don't have a context to go back to I mentioned the thing same thing in terms of the traditional samos the traditional Sufism my shake had four generations of students and each of those generations families knew all of the other generations families well the youngest ones were grandchildren you know and there was there was a coherence to all the people in that community and he was just a piece of it a fulcrum or a center of it but he had all kinds of people around him too you know it's like the prophet said a sentence said you know my my any one of my companions can guide you like as if they were the stars solid fixed dependable and you get something different nowadays where you don't get you know that the shake do down you know the important shake you don't find the same sort of level and numbers of people with the wisdom typically I mean that's not across the board because so yeah the modern but the modern world has its own peculiar traumatic realities I mean I consider I grew up in the in the fifties and I went to school in the fifties and I suffered the trauma in school nowadays it's nowadays if you go to school at the certain level they have these shooter right and the shooter drills means you know gives whole protocol that you do and when I was that age you know the teacher would be teaching math and and the long division just and then she said drop she doesn't show drop you familiar with that and we'd all drop put this hand over here I remember this hand here this hand over there under our desk vouched out for the blast for the nuclear blast and we'd never know if it was a drill or we wait we wait we know there'd be a flash of light waiting for the flash of light and then the wind must blow out and God knows what follows and that was a regular ongoing thing so the modern world without a doubt I don't think either individually or collectively we've grasped the extraordinary traumatic reality of Hiroshima and Nagasaki and what happened there so I think it's pretty I think some of these things are obvious you know the black of community how many people have come to me for so many years I just want to be part of the community right I mentioned my wife was part of the oldest co-housing community in in England in Strava and we have a member who went from from a saturn community more or less to a co-housing community and she said the same thing to me as my wife said to me she said you know with due respect I mean the Muslims are still the the best people I know about the planet but not all of them and my wife said the same thing is that she said which was you know there are people here are really nice anyway I'm doing love it's all good so what else would you mind expanding a little on or on a healing and in relation to what you were talking about um rhythmic healing of doing like vicar in a group and in terms of its rhythmic healing as well as I've just heard many different opinions on how we can use that as a source of healing I'm sorry as well as for an chronic healing but as well as in you said in relation to you you were talking about doing vicar as a group and how that rhythm that rhythmic yeah has a natural healing ability well well chronic healing I mean the Quranist this is an extraordinary thing we know this and we've heard it over and over and that is healing for the modern time that's the Hikmah all these very things that it's medicine my teacher in Pakistan he said that the recitation of Quran to simply hear it can heal so many things especially things that break down structures like like snake venom like all cobra venom but it doesn't destroys the structures it's bleeding into bleeding into bleeding and so structure is lost and there is like examples of someone who has had a snake bite and the people recite Quran but vigorously remember that so Quran is a recitation it's to be heard and its hearing affects the ones listening and it affects the one speaking it how many people I tell them I give them one of the prescriptions I give so many people is do you recite Quran yes do you do it allowed well no no you're just honest this is the poet Mary Oliver I would always refer to as a wonderful yes Mary Oliver she's worth reading really worth reading she she has a poem and she said she's out in the forest one day and she finds the spring and she picks the water up with her cup in her hands and drinks this ice cold water and she says then suddenly she hears her bones speak and they say what was that wonderful thing that just happened Quran I have I have been with numerous non-muslims through my years and I've recited Quran they don't know what it is but it heals them and they have amazing responses for acute sort of states and sort of for so forth I get I'm that's long stories and I want to go into those stories but one a whole class of children that weren't muslims from midwest who were studying the right on a lighting journey with their teachers and I got them to do that but the sound of that and the recitation of Quran with Tajweed is the another thing that will regulate this RSA the harmony between the breath because some IS you have to do it's an extended you have enough breath to finish it right it will it will rest it will regulate the that harmony between the breathing and the heartbeat and it will regulate the polyvagal system which is the system nerves that goes from our base of our brain to our heart lungs and our social engagement mechanisms the muskets social engagement is all this thing that happens up here and we'll get to that later because when I want to do with when more people arrive if they do I want to do some exercises in which we explore that social engagement system connecting with others in a very particular way so yeah this is powerful medicine the person and many like I say many people I've recited Fatiha and they've come out of extreme kind of like seizure itself groups of people that are in panic and you know collective or what do you call it like trans states or like fear student group of students and stuff like that so it's powerful by a lot and the example I was giving yesterday about the the Quran and the Arabic language having realities beyond symbols of letters on a page the Arabic letters having meaning and realities to the individual form the Allah all these things and that is part of this thing I mean there are stories about people who have had I had to curse you on the wall and they're not muslims I don't know what it is but you know this subtle influence that is to place we must not underestimate that and so with someone when I meet someone particularly like classic things desi aunties I say recite Quran so your bones here recite Quran so your liver here's a recite Quran so the walls here because they do hear it if it's done audibly because vibration affects the place in Morocco you know one of my dear teachers his name is Colonel Muhammad Atarahim and he took the name he was a sheikh but he never took that nomenclature he never took that on because he didn't like to have that thing of you know sort of and great right and great at grand aggrandizement of the sort of thing he's not special he's just the colonel from the Pakistani army but he was this amazing man I never sat with him I never sat with anyone with him and we didn't have tears and I never sat with him that he didn't recite Rumi in its original form and how I bring tears and he was in London on Edra Road and every time we went to visit him at the end of this he'd make dua for us all and he say and he say and Allah make these people around here muslim anybody know Edra Road in London at this point anyway you know Edra Road in London what's it like today any muslims there well that's true other than that so this is that this is the absolute true reality he said make them muslim he didn't say make them real muslims but the street signs are in Arabic that wasn't the case there was no there wasn't any muslims there hello shops and yahuqa bars okay unfortunately like Colonel Rahim he said that you know that the context this is back to that thing where the my shake had four generations you know the context of things is an important reality it's important the context and the the connections and where we are even the geography I was mentioning yesterday about this man Alfred Traumatis who is he has a whole discussion and some of his research about how the geography of a place affects the language the way they speak so yeah it's powerful and it's underused and it's often misused the one thing uh I had a chance to this Ramadan I was uh like researching sound healing where I saw I was watching some videos and there's people you know who use different like tuning forks and Tibetan bowls and all that and I can't remember exactly but the idea was that something about the right frequency of like using sound you can affect things in your body which would otherwise you use pharmaceutical substances for but it actually has a more greater efficacy or something of the sort um and then it helps I completely forgot what it was but it was something around like some actual sign like mechanism that's happening inside the body that it helps facilitate so in respect to that one of the I didn't get this workshop at one of the things can I borrow this piece of paper one of the things I taught science for several years to high school students and I always wanted to use exemplary experiments they would call it do things to demonstrate certain principles and one of the things that I taught them in one of the classes is this if you hold a piece of paper it's likely it's likely not to be still see how this is going the body when it's our hands when there's still where's our body person thank you even when our hands are still they're not still they're vibrating at 12 hertz more or less 12 cycles per second and then in turn all of the other parts of our body the bones and the heart and all these other things are in harmony or disharmony that's why when we get together and we sing we do all this and we hear each other's voice like you could feel the singing of the people around you couldn't do that's why it's called Samah it's called hearing the practice is much more of one of hearing and the effect when I went to Tunisia I first went to Tunisia and I was sitting in a circle of liquor and these they started singing the facetas I thought my god this is so loud what is this going to do and it was odd to start with but then I realized when I left my body was still vibrating from it was like the singing continued in my body and it was affecting every cell that's the kind of medicine is so that's that's sound healing you know and the gongs with due respect I mean I know people have done that I used to know a man who played music for deaf people in deaf schools and he had big gongs big heavy drums and then there's this thing called the echo locators I always bring that up because it's important people know the echo locators see yeah bats but there was a group of young men there was a young black guy in New York who started this group of people and they're mostly teenagers and he would he would have the he developed the ability to ride his bicycle down in New York City Street in his mind and how did he do it by clicking his tongue and hearing the echo the ability to develop our senses is huge to develop any aspect of our presence of being is so great I mean the prophet said it's him I mean by a law he had coming through him by him by who he was so it's a law that he had one of the stories I love from him is the story about and where the scholar's in here the story about I think a man was fond of law which is named something like that who was sent to assassinate the prophet sort of salmon at the Kaba with a poison dagger maybe to know his name you probably know the story but I think it was something like that but the point here is I heard the story many many times it was Habib Ali that I heard it and he got the message but he told the story about how this man went and he was he was with the prophet sort of saying going around the Kaba and suddenly the prophet stopped and turned and said what is it you're conceiving and he said I'm just making to walk with you now that's an indication of you must know people must know what's his name sorry my normal aphasia the guy that wrote the book on you know his name the the new a new science of life Rupert Sheldrake who was at UC Berkeley and there's a study at UC Berkeley called the sense of being stared back and that study created a book and it was a pretty obvious the studies he did at that time that when someone's staring is we can feel it but we don't notice that sometimes we do sometimes you know but the prophet sort of turned to this man behind him said what is it you're conceiving not a name with what that there was something happening what are you concealing and he said I'm just doing this and they would continue a bit more then this time the prophet says and turned and put his hand in his chest said the girl of what is it you're concealing and he hesitated for a moment and then he said well I came and you know you were the most hated man in the planet in the creation and now you're the most beloved that's connection and every single one of us has that capability with our hearts and genuine true care and concern for another to simply touch someone with that feeling we have that good people he we say about the prophet sort of said like a jackal when I saw little men on physical right that I it is surely there's someone who's come from amongst you he's one of us and all of his qualities we have as our nature and we can either ignore them and do something completely against it or away from it or avoiding it or we can take it on and develop it in ourselves and then it doesn't happen you know one of the unfortunate things is people take these things and go to these things for some kind of aggrandi aggrandi aggrandisement to make themselves something special because they don't feel special because we weren't you know we often so many of us grew up you know with again that statement I said yesterday you know what do you know especially women women were considered unintelligent you know thanks a lot so take a break now so a little more open discussion I hope more people come because I want to get on to this social engagement exercise that I think is pretty fascinating and hopefully meaningful I'd supposed to drop this now right singing but it should be like this relaxed arm I mean there's a there's some of the people who've done that for many times they have more the science of it there is a science to it there's a best way to do it and there's I mean there are people who've taken it on they just do sort of really nearly kind of hippie dancing or something but it's it's meant to be very contained very grounded if you're never meant to leave the floor the body's meant to be sublime relaxed because it's primarily the breast it's grounding Hamdillah well nice to see you nice to see you I want to introduce you to somebody very special okay kopee kopee is a batotic is your chosen muslim name and he's been studying Islam with 15 for a while he's a high schooler 17 years old and hello right beautiful okay so are you all hearing that we've got microphones we've got tons of microphones so I am kopee so I understand that you've shared enough to have a sense to know what means to make shahada to enter Islam and you know the basic principles the foundational things I know that because I've been taking place here so if you want to let's do and just repeat after me okay ashad al sad al in la ilaha la ilaha la ilaha la ilaha ilolah ilolah wa ashad al asad al anna muhammad al anna muhammad Rasulullah Rasulullah okay one more time listen very closely let's repeat as much exactly as I said in la ilaha la ilaha ilolah anna muhammad Rasulullah la ilaha asad al asad la ilaha la ilaha ilolah asad al anna muhammad anna anna muhammad Rasulullah Rasulullah Rasulullah Rasulullah Alhamdulillah As-Salaamu Alaykum We're driving on the way to the high end and then we saw the brakes each and around Yeah good to see you No you don't but you do you are that's good weddings are the one of the best things so Munir she she wanted to tell this story did she want to yeah she asked him yeah once he finished it and and and the and and the name his name is he's chosen the name Tadek Tadek Kobi has given it and uh yes as you like I'm recording it here too Yassin Yassin has been in high school and he's died I wanted to do I think what I want to do after this is I know Idris is saying to translate that's very it's a little bit of time I wanted to do a group shot because he's done his with him you know is that good because most of the people don't do that they remember that once it goes down yeah I know everybody's gonna ask them the same question what was your journey like so it's easier sometimes you find that they just do it what was your experience like Berkeley is it Berkeley it's Berkeley that's a different era very Berkeley in 1669 that was the year of the big people's park that's so people's park that was right before free love that was a lot of change I think that I think that was that was free love that was fun Tadek maybe you did and just tell people your story if you'd like to it might be easier if you tell it for everybody at one time because everybody's got the same question that girl yeah what's the question just you can you know how did this happen how did you I think that's if you like cannot talk without the mic but you don't get to drop the mic at the end it was just a mockery so as I'm growing up my dad it's right there in North Oakland um no one down it's like on Sacramento and market it's like the same she was marked as you go towards no go to back towards Berkeley by Alcatraz coming down it's the one um yeah I just pretty much grew up like that and yeah and that's probably it like just growing up and I just want to take it serious get it together yeah yeah yeah that's that's pretty much all I grew up around like like our black it was just muslims really and black like black muslims huh yeah yeah a little bit Travis yeah you know I was coming today but he had work got bless you too I'm the luck very nice there you go I'm the luck when you probably been saying I'm the luck here and there right and you have seen was a big part of your yeah kind of making the final decision how beautiful like I tried going to Christmas my mom just didn't want it's where I like I fit in and it's like somewhere I fit in the water so yeah you so like that's it we can talk forever about Islam but to make the prayer something else from inside my love if I don't want to you probably may or may not have heard the things like the sister said when you make Shahada the things that are said about how blessed you are you've heard that and these things are true the the thing that makes Islam different from so many other paths said things are true they say they're true we pray for someone and the angels pray if we pray for someone else the angels pray with us and they say for what the person's asking for that person even to do it but but the other one is the Prophet said he said when you make the Shahada that moment since if the sun came for you and all everything is purified we've all we come out pure we're born pure and then you know we all do things we regret Adele but all those things are forgiven but without without without being too new agey one of the things is you have a unique thing I mean you grew up with a father who was Muslim but you weren't from among us but a lot of people here grew up as Muslims and what I discovered as a convert many years ago is the people who grew up as Muslims they never had a chance to formally do a corrective so I'm going to do some I'm suggesting what we do is that we all join hands and the one of the women can join hands with one of the men so we're all connected and we take the barricade if you don't mind we take the barricade from you so can we do can we do that right now complete that sir so what what I'm saying here is Tariq has a blessing from Allah and the gift by this moment and to be you know kind of we're going to take advantage of it we're going to get all the blessings we can from you so by holding hands and connecting with him and by everyone together by everyone together doing the same thing of repeating for those of you who have not done it formally we'll do the same thing for all of us the Prophet said to to improve and increase your iman he said make the simple truth so let's do it again so Rasulullah Ashadah La ilaha illallah wa ashadah Anna Muhammadan Rasulullah Ashadah La ilaha Illallah Wa Ashadah Anna Muhammadan Rasulullah Rasulullah Sallallahu alayhi wa salam alhamdulillah Allahu Akbar Allahu Akbar We didn't see the Shahadah for a long time What? You have? They come from a place where there's people We try to go to the gathering So bring their friends to the gathering So they can gather each themselves Yeah So they try to make it a point to go to the gathering So we're going to the gathering There's someone that's coming Did you repeat it? Hey, didn't you mean to? I'm indoctrinated You got it No, it's too late It's beyond the point of nowhere Sallallahu alayhi wa salam Allahu Akbar Curb your enthusiasm as they say But contain it Don't let it go or leave it back Because this is a blessed moment for everybody But let's come together Because I've been told Allahu Akbar I'm being the high school teacher now Allahu Akbar Come on, you kids I can actually say that to you Because I'm probably twice most of your age At least Okay, I was told that We want to do some exercise So I'm going to do a really interesting Now, let's see The corporations do these kind of exercises Where they instruct you to do something And then they observe how Efficiently or how badly you do it So I'm going to say The first thing you want to do is To Divide yourself into groups of four With people that you trust Then you can be with Which should be anybody here There may be some odd Not quite for And do it as Simply And easily as possible Okay, and now you have your groups of four You have your groups of four Allahu Akbar You have your groups of four Okay, now move forward here more So they come up Yeah, that's okay Move forward here So I can be more With the groups Okay, what about you guys back there? Okay, stand and come up Move up, move up here Okay, now the point in this exercise Is you're going to be able For just four There's four where you've got 25s Groups of four or five And the point of this Is you want to be able To be facing more or less I mean, we can still You know, honor a little bit COVID principles You know, distance But we want to be facing each other In the group, each group of four Each group of four, come on you guys You're going to be fired from the corporation Great, okay, and not hurting hands Or anything, if you keep your distance Here's the thing You want to be able to You want to be able to see The other four people Okay, you hear me?  Now we're talking, we got it You want to be able to see each other's face The two hugging each other You are one, okay I'll buy that Okay, now, this is an exercise That relates to social Engagement You hear me? Listen, listen, listen Please Because we only have limited time And I think it might be worth exploring this a little bit more And then we can have lots of discussion about it afterwards But right now This is an exercise that relates to social engagement Is there anybody that doesn't know what we're talking about The ability to connect with others And this is part of our animal nature Our mammalian nature And I could go on for days Too much, too much I could go on much too much about it Like how a herd of deer The leader of that herd Will turn its head And all the other deers will turn Will turn In unison So this is an exercise about Social engagement And it's about something else That our bodies are designed to do by a law And then all living creatures do Fish Birds Fish, birds Dogs, cats, you name it All of us Living creatures do this thing And we've been doing it For some of us From the time we're in our mother's womb Any comments? What is it that I'm getting to here? Any ideas? Well, yes That is the first thing we do in the mother's womb We begin to listen and hear her voice But no, this is something else So I want you to look at each other's faces Because to see the other people doing The other's doing this exercise You almost did it already It's connecting by Yawning Okay? Now there's something that we'll let Now let me just think very quickly And I'll go to more detail All of my neurology books That are on the shelves If you go to yawning, it'll say Well, this is a mystery This is a mystery But how can there be a mystery When we know so much about all the details Of neurology And yet all these textbooks say Well, we don't quite get it Some new research is coming out And I've been doing it for a couple of years now And I've been following it Across the world But there's a few things that are really obvious Which indicates Or suggests as they put it In that kind of literature That it's a really important thing to do Now there's a hadith Of yawning being from shaitan That that's the yawning in which Is what we're doing is It's an issue of adab We're the person But the primary thing that we Want to discover is I want you to pay attention in your body And to notice what you feel in your bodies And when we go away from this workshop If you do these exercises In which there are ways in which We can begin to promote And elicit yawning Is not something we do volitionally Right? We can't just Okay It's not just taking breath It's because it's taking breath And it's reaching a point Which we could call there as an overflow There's an autonomic Opening of yawn Which we could say is a kind of orgasm In the sense that it builds, builds, builds And then And then it takes place But what happens when it takes place Remarkably Remarkably Effective in terms of What takes place in the body The way we can elicit this yawning Is by First of all It's the collision between our animal nature And our social expectations And The social The social expectations put upon us Does that make sense to anyone?  In this case, please Let's see if we can do this Therapeutically Scientifically as an exploration Let that person Yeah, I'll see you yawn You got me? You guys with me? Okay If anyone feels like yawning, I'll start it I'll start it We all did Are you just with me? We all did We all did Are you yawning? Watch the person yawning And don't hold back the yawn But notice what it does Notice what it does in your body If you need to cover your mouth So you can let your jaw go open As far as it can go Notice how that yawn will open And stretch the muscles in the jaw And are on the eye sockets Okay, arch your Yes, yes, go for it Watch her And let it happen yourself We'll get to that I mean, we know it is Let it contain you right now Did any of you guys yawn?  Okay So in case anybody is doing this online If you guys are yawning Let it happen Let it happen and notice That one, the freedom To let yawning freely come Is It can kind of cascade It can get continuous So again, stay with it See the thing I'm doing In my mouth I'm closing it I'm beginning the polite yawn Beatrice, you hear? You look like you're in your world Yeah, but you have yawned About eight yawns Okay, good, so we've got that So sometimes when there's a Repeated yawning, yeah Hold back, hold back And remember this, the lion The lion awakens With a yawn The child awakens With a yawn And both of them often, not only with a yawn But with the And the lion can be a dramatic war Yes And what happens with the yawn Is awakening The brain activates And endless The physiological things take place From that yawn Anxiety will be Overcome in most people With three or four yawns Notice the jaw Around the sockets of the eyes Pay attention to him Or each other You were yawning Try to yawn, try to avoid Conversation with this because We want the autonomic system To do its job as much as possible Yeah, and if you want to stretch your back Or any other stretching Try not to keep, try not to much talk Talk because What we want to do here in this exercise is yawn And discover what takes place In your body because I'll tell you right now what can go in more detail What takes place in the yawn It's okay Settle down bro That's alright It's good, but I want to focus on this yawn See if you can get A natural thing we want stretching Because We all yawn To wake up So it's not people say we yawn Because we're bored Yeah, but we're yawn in a boredom Because we want to wake up You guys have it going over there? Any yawning? Alhamdulillah Say we've got a We've got a Serious yawn area That means there's a lot of If I may say that It's a release It's a release of muscular Tension that we don't ordinarily have control And if we have social You know oppression It'll be more Like I said In some way we can look at it In the animal nature Meeting The social constraints I mean that's one way I look at it, but That's pretty deep principles Pretty big deep things taking place In terms of our own experiential Discoveries that can happen Beautiful It was just Started out of the best Pumped I don't think I was picked up by the You have my best What does that say about you? Yeah Well, maybe over control Over control? More probably I don't know I'm discovering part of this Is what they call citizen science I've gone to the books And I've gone to the studies But now you guys tell me What do you notice here? What do you discover? I love the principle of citizen science We discover For ourselves Share Is there anybody here Who didn't yawn? Now someone asked me What does it mean I cannot yawn And I said I don't know Probably over self control And Does that feel right to the people Who haven't yawned? I don't know With the pressure to make I don't know Oh yeah, so you've had that Well, but that's other When you don't yawn When you're residing under someone else's Or when you're talking to someone But children Those chained children, when they wake up They yawn And they probably make a sound even But also Right When the sleep comes over In the middle of it That's also entirely When the what? No, what? Comes over? Even while listening to more people The lecture but you couldn't You know, knowing You know what it's like All sorts of things happen in terms of Stage changing Okay, shall we come back together here? We've already got some kind of yoga class going on No, I was asking I only got anybody over there Did anybody that didn't yawn? This one Yeah Anyone else? Two, three You didn't yawn I mean, that's interesting That's alright Some people have had Very strong constraints By practice And reiteration That it's poor at that Or that it's even shaitan You know And if you've heard that over and over And over and over It's hard to yawn But the children and the fish It's not poor at that when the fish yawns Or it's not poor at that When we yawn in our mother's womb Good, good Now that's good That means you've been giving license Your body has been giving license To let it go Falling asleep Is one of those many things It's called falling asleep It's not getting up And then sleeping It's giving up and letting go Falling in love is the same way You have to let go Play is the same thing One has to submit to play Play Genuine, honest, spontaneous Play only comes about With Not control It's spontaneous It comes out naturally And it's processing What's relevant about this The reason I did this exercise That I've seen through these years I have a practice called mychi And we can go into that a little more But some of you have gotten my Documents that I sent out And the mychi is where we track The sensations in the body And then we move very, very slowly In response to what our body is Body tells us That needs to happen Not by imposing, as in Tai Chi, a pattern Or a formula But listening to our body Which always tells us What it needs to do, wants to do And usually must do Now that's the whole principle Of that exercise And it's done by slowing Every movement down, stretching it And letting the stretch that wants To take place Do what it wants to do And that will very often Release Short-term anxiety And it will bring forth With many people I've seen Through these years Bring forth buried memories In this state of process And change for those memories Do you hear me Bring forth Memories that are buried in parts Of the body That come forth in their Processing Of being resolved That's the beauty of mychi Shackling Shackle hand Keeping the contact Yeah Beautiful Beautiful And I have to ask How much of that is Inherited epigenetic memories That have come to us From those times Of course then along with the slaves I think about just generally prisoners But we're all prisoners Of constraints That are unnatural I mean we're the only Creatures I know of I mean I'm not an anthropologist I'm a creature that Lock others up I guess they take slaves Ants take slaves But anyway I don't want to get lost in that The thing I've seen And the reason I'm exploring this Is because I discovered one That if you go to yawning In the textbooks They say it's a mystery still Although there are several studies And some of the basic studies That the scribes take place Physiologically And neurologically in the body It's a big thing Actually flow In this final chord Is increased That's pretty major So there's lots of implications I think there will be a lot more studies You know these kind of things They suddenly burst out in common That's the group of children One person discovers something Coming forth to the same thing The morphic connection That we all have And that can get to one of these other topics That I wanted to discuss Which is the We talk about connections in ourselves One of the higmas I have in the body In that list of higmas Everything in our body is connected At all times to everything else And everything that happens in our body It affects every other thing Are you about to go on? Yeah Well I wasn't getting to that But Rupert Sheldrake spoke about this Morphic resonance We have morphic resonance all the time And the resonance right now For all of you were here yesterday And here today By the things we've done together The shahada, the singing The yawning together All of this increases the common resonance together When we make zikr together There's a particular zikr effect Oh excuse me Jimmy Hendricks Always commenting A particular zikr When we could do this Let's just try it right now Even though we're all standing Listen, this is important To listen to the other Because zikr, come on you guys Come on, you lovey-dovey mother Ta-da Alhamdulillah to see that with mothers and daughters There's nothing I could ever say Let's see if we can The key to zikr is not It's often called samam in listening In other words, we don't just do it Independently There's the pink stuff Orange stuff It's listening and being part Of that whole The whole is always in a Has a reality At any given time that we may or may not be aware of So this zikr It's called the ismul farid It's the name It's the unique name It's the zikr that's done And it's done more or less At the timing of the heartbeat So listen to me to lead But stay with the group And try to make your voice Blend with the group Become part of the whole Yeah, you can do that Good point Come in And again, don't try Take care in terms of speeding up Or slowing down And listen And keep it going So this is The ismul farid And it's the recitation I have to move into my high school Science teacher mode periodically That's alright I have no problem with enthusiasm So this is done It's the divine name of Allah But it's done like this Stay with it And almost like a resonance Hear it like a heartbeat Sharing is the main part of this I was listening And what I was listening for Is what can happen when we do this And I didn't quite hear it I may have missed it From my coffee and so on But there's a point When we do that zikr There's a point which are Our respiration Our breathing and our heartbeat Find harmony They get in sync And if you're good in a group Everybody's heart can get in sync Everybody's heart beating It's the same speed The same pace Depending on what's going on Heart beats can be faster But so it doesn't always happen But it relatively happens And that brings a kind of coherence And it brings a kind of connection From the hearts to hearts And the saying That I repeat over and over Is hearts remain connected Once they connect They remain connected And it's tragic in some cases Because we love people And they betray us And we have difficulties But the hearts remain connected And that's okay It's one of the difficulties Of educating things Of life One of the harder Wisdoms I have a poem I wrote years ago From my wife on Valentine's Day About never diminish love If it's love, it doesn't go away You know, in spite of the fact That we get angry and it's natural To be angry and feel all these things When we feel betrayed by someone But the hearts beating together That moment And this moment And you were doing this together In the same as last night Yeah, the fact That we did that thicker last night For all of those who did that To do that meets A connection that happens At a very deep level That remains I had a friend that I used to be in theater with And we do all these Elaborate, hard work theaters A wonderful practice A wonderful therapy Especially for young people Together And work hard to perform some sort of Do a performance and work the play out Because you work together For this end, even though it's a kind of False, you know Imitation of life in some way Drama, whatever it might be But that working together And the connection and the teamwork That takes to do that Draws one really close And you begin to feel, as you were saying Feeling safe Feeling safe is probably One of the most primary things That we need Just living creatures To feel safe And it's our mother, ideally At some point early on that does that I had a mother who I loved dearly But she was known as the Iron Woman So, you know, that tells a big story In itself But I love her deeply Yeah And I'm saying this, Dr. Spock And others who said don't respond To the baby when the baby cries And things like that Kind of like The kind of craziness that took place It came to a lot of the A lot of the things that were happening We don't have the midway of here today But the connection Is the best you can Reconnect, recognize what was lost And that's why these basic Hikmas They form a guideline of principles upon which We build any kind of healing Amongst other things Yeah Yes Yes, absolutely, got it Let's talk more touch I mean My wife does a therapy called Touch Therapy And it's very simple things I mean The power of like putting your hand On a child's back You're not a child I mean it's twice my height The power of putting a hand On a child's back I mean you can't put your hand on Anyone because a lot of people It's too much touch But the ones that you can And the children and your own children Sorry Who doesn't want to be touched? Adults Some people they don't want to be touched They don't understand Is that like trauma? Well yeah I mean for many people It's important to realize that too Because there's different styles People that need to touch a person To even talk to them But some people Because People who are traumatized In their body or by their bodies Or at their bodies Those people will be hard A lot of people Outside this grounding issues A lot of people that's hard to be in their body And we have to honor that We have to recognize and honor it And be gentle In terms of bringing About a sense of safety I mean safety The thing is I may have said this yesterday once But I'll say it again I mean if there's any single thing That we can equate with safety It's a kind of amount You know a love's got my back I mean we can put our hand on our child's back And make them feel Held and present Powerful, the neck, very powerful My wife does these things She'll use like these little cushions With someone who puts it behind their neck But she knows when and who And what part And they you know It's a great relief So it's another form Touch therapy I don't know if you're familiar with it It's a neuro-effective trotch It's called And I mean because of COVID You know she's not been practicing it But she has all these kind of little pillows And shape things that she Sometimes she'll have someone lying down And she'll put one here and one there And a cushion there and they'll just Ah this is great A sense of safety There was ICU with the baby's ICU One child was completely Just vitals were completely falling Nurse came running Brought the baby, twin baby Put it in the thing And the baby started Picking up So that was a real something That really touched me real deep The touch They were in the ICU Low birth baby Vitals were gone and tried everything And put the baby in So this nurse out of nowhere Did something that she couldn't Do anything else that Can be done So she picked up the Healthier baby from the thing With the other baby And the other baby who was losing All the vitals were going down It just brought everything back And we know the other Similar stories are The great premature babies How they survive and they do much better With any touch of Any kind And you And someone said about That you said something that was very touching You said That story It touched my heart It touched your heart There's touch again I have a question If you had to put the two of them side by side Touch or rhythm Which would you say is more important Touch or rhythm It's kind of a weird question I went the other day I was watching an African Diaspora dance performance And I realized these dancers are not touching Each other at all It's not a partner dance At one point they tried to incorporate a little western move And one of them kind of put their arm A little bit lightly around the other And they kind of changed places But mostly it's not touch based at all The thing with presence With another Which is the primary sense That we develop in our mother's womb First of all Which is the sense of touch Feeling And that includes sound Because sound is vibrations Touch is vibrations And so Even dancing together I used to love raving Whatever came But sometimes it was actually hot They were doing techno music And you know And But I was doing I was just going to ask Did Prophet Muhammad Sallallahu alayhi wa sallam Like do anything that was related To touch therapy during his time Well that story We read that story about father He touched people And they did things One man said He said to one man Sallallahu alayhi wa sallam He said take the Islam you've learned To such and such a place Country And he said I don't think I can do that Prophet Sallallahu alayhi wa sallam Put his hand on his chest You can do it I have one thing I recall Just a quick thing Like I don't know if it's like a pro tip or not But like one time I met somebody I was just saying hey how you doing So I met them and shook their hand And reached out And she was like yeah I'm good And while she was talking to me she grabbed The side of my arm And I just never forgot that It was forever memorable And imprinted on me And then something like that Not like a motion It was the way it was done During that initial Did you feel safe and okay with it But like I mean they had great energies And it was a good setting too But it was just like done in a way where it's like It was so focused and like that person was Like cared about you and it was like very empathetic So I just never forgot that I met a lot of people so That one thing just stands out There's a great book that was written many many years ago By Ashley Montague Called Touch It's a great big thing and it goes through All the things that happens with touch Extraordinary things happen with touch I remember when I first went to Morocco Had a hard time When these men would take my hand And want to walk hand in hand with me You know and like coming from America Was like You know and then someone And that first guy I did that I remember the man, it was Muli Muli of the Salam Muli of the Salam I can't remember his name My son would know him But when he taught me doing that Feeding and security He took his hand And put it on my chest And then we walked like that But yeah people touch Some people touch and some cultures Touch more than others Same with Gays Sorry? Yeah, Arabs kiss a lot Italians The Arabs were The Italians were Arabized It was a great deal You know we forget that the Muslims Talk to Dr. Omar about this stuff You know Dr. Omar Because yeah the Muslims went Everywhere, some countries We wouldn't even switch or they were Mostly Arab, mostly Muslims Things like that But we're human beings And there's things that are common for us And there's things we don't do But mostly because Our cultures have been shattered And the humanity The fabric of our humanity Has been rent For a long time, over and over The first industrial revolution The second one And the third one is on us Regarding the Prophet Sallallahu alayhi wa sallam There was two stories when you said That they came to mind One, both of these are in the Shifa of Qadi Ayyad If you haven't read it, get that But plug There's the story Where He was just walking amongst the people And he saw someone that was looking at him And was trembling And he went and put his hand on the person's Shoulder, and they stopped trembling And he said, I'm not a king I'm the slave of my lord You know, and then there's the Story that they tell where Anyone He touched, they would Smell like him for days So the law was over All of the people would try to Get their children Around the Prophet Sallallahu alayhi wa sallam So he could touch them So they could come home and the house would be fragrant From the fact that Rasulullah Sallallahu alayhi wa sallam Touched the child That's one of those Yes What else? I saw deeply That this was the only thing that could bring And all of a sudden A huge change And I saw the person All the way All the way One of the things I was saying yesterday I'll reiterate today Our Quran says Dali kal Kitab It goes on to say those who believe in the unseen For those who believe in the unseen And we have to remember That the unseen is this enormous Realm Much bigger than this what we can touch and see. It's huge. And we believe in the angels, and we believe that the angels and these energies and all these realities are true. I remember a man who I met and he was studying earth, air, fire, and water from the point of view of Aristotle. And I had been studying it, according to Gibb and Sina, and I met him in a cafe. So we started talking, and we'd have these regular meetings, and one day we were having a talk, and he said, I have a spiritual teacher, and I said, oh, what kind of, and he'd give me some sort of dubious kind of references to the spiritual teacher. With due respect, I mean, it might have been great, but there were some things that I wasn't sure about, and I said, well, does this guy, does it cost you to be his, for him to be your teacher? He says, oh, yeah, it's pretty expensive. I said, and after he told me it was pretty expensive, he had to pay this teacher. And I said, well, you know, in Islam, it's like the teacher is not permitted to take any kind of look at me like, and he kind of went into the state, like, like some realization, wait a minute, this is not okay. And he went into the state in which he kind of had a fit. He fell to the floor, was shaking, couldn't move. And I never, I didn't even tell him I was a Muslim. He didn't know that. So I went next to him and I started reciting, but yeah, and it class over and over and over. And each time I did, he came out of it. And he came out of it crying and said, what do I do? Now, how do I, as it's to say, well, how do I get free from this? Because it was like some kind of magic. But I've seen this more than once. I've seen it many, many times where recitation of Quran will affect people positively, even if they don't have a clue what it is. And they say afterwards, what was that? He became a Muslim, of course, the guy. He didn't know what that was, but he listened to it. So so the power of those words and the power of the heart and intention that we have with anyone is extraordinary. I studied Thai massage. And the teacher I had, he was pretty amazing. He was one of the most severely traumatized people I've ever met. He could never, basically, he'd have a fist fight with someone every day. And he was a Thai massage. But he also had these insights. It's very strange, wonderful, Matt, but trouble. He would, he was born, his mother was born, he was born and his mother was pregnant in the middle of war in Vietnam. But he used to do exercises with us to kind of, it was a great class and Thai massage. But one of the closest things, and they claim that lineage goes back to the Buddha, the Buddhist position, that Thai massage. And he would do these exercises in which we would work on someone with the massage and it's all done on the ground. And then we would do certain moves and then we would ask the person to give a response. And then he would say, now in your heart, in your being, do the same thing with this particular intention. So our attention would change. And we'd do the same thing. And they would report this different thing. It was connected to our intention. I was saying earlier this morning about a man, when I was in Pakistan, there was a man who was, I traveled with, and he traveled, we traveled around Northern Pakistan, actually traveled from Karachi out. And he said, we're going to visit the Mazar's. We're going to visit the, we're going to visit the tombs and the Mazar's, the Makams of the Aulia, of Aulia. But he said, I wanted you to do me a favor. Don't read any of the names of the people.  So that we visit them anonymously, you don't know who's buried there. You know, a boy, this is straight, such and such. And he said, do the things that you usually do, which he's, you know, give salams to your decker, make dua for yourself and for the person that's there, et cetera, et cetera. And we'd do that. And what we did is we went to each one, and each one, I would do that. And then I'd come out and he'd say to me, what did you experience there? And I'd just say, well, I felt this, this, this, this, this. Then he would tell me the story of the person who was buried there. And it would be this, this. It was subjectively spot on. He's following me. That was his teaching. His name was Colonel Wa, another one of these kernels, Colonel Wahid Baksh. I think that means something like the, the one gift or something. And we went to many and it was the same thing. Each place has a reality that's subjective. It's about that person, you know, and the Quran says, do not say they are there. They live. And this is true for all the people that have passed away.  I have this wonderful shirt that my son got from one of the tribal peoples. It's called, it's a ghost dance. The traditional natives have something they call the ghost dance. And this ghost dance shirt, it's a particular dance. And it's a dance and a ceremony that the natives developed. And they, they, they did these this ceremony which was meant to make peace between the terrible white Calvary and armies and all the tribes. And so what do you think the white people did? If it's about something to make peace, what do you suppose they did? They, they, they outlawed it.  And so, you know, so, but I'm that shirt, it's a shirt, it's a ghost dance shirt and that ceremony and I don't have all these different symbols like birds and stars and different things. And all those represent ancestors that we honor and identify. And in the ghost dance, you would then bring in the, you know, the blessings of those ancestors together for the time. And one of the things it's lost in the modern world is not only connections with our ancestors, but the honoring of them and the honoring of that energy that remains in every one of us in our genes, in our epigenetics, if you will, all of that reality that's in the unseen is powerful, very strong. You're going to say Salamu alaykum for all of those online that are not coming back from lunch like the people here. I'm here. Salam alaykum feels funny looking at a wall and saying Salam alaykum but hey, this is the modern world. Alhamdulillah. Well, I'm not sure how long or how many are still coming. It'll take a little while. But any commentary or any quick, what word did we leave off? We were yawning. Touch. Well, actually, so just another couple of commentaries on touch. We can yawn. Please, if you feel like yawning in this session, it's halal. Okay. But if you yawn, notice what's taking place. Notice what you feel in your jaw. Notice what you feel around your eye sockets. Some of the things that happened in yawning that I didn't go into detail, I could go on for quite a long time, even though there's very, very little few studies, and they're all very recent. And people are usually looking in the same sort of area over and over and over and reiterating it. And about a week ago, I found someone who did a survey on the research done in yawning, and he had actually all the good, he had all the points and the things that I'd come up with. Like one of the remarkable things that happens is when we yawn, that there's a, there is something called the keratin body, which is a mass of cells where the keratin arteries, keratin artery splits and goes up both sides of the brain. And at that point, the keratin body sends out all these messages and all these activities take place, including the increasing some degree of flow in the spine. That's a pretty major thing, flow in the spine. It stimulates the production of nitric oxide, which is something, you know, I'm, I don't know if you're familiar with some of the things of all that. It stimulates penile erection. It has signal, it signals social engagements of all sorts of different kinds. Hunger, adversity, awakening, joining, connecting, all of these various things happen. And it's no accident that it is one of the most common social contagious things that take place. So there's lots of other things. I don't have them at hand, but if anyone wants to see any of that research on the studies, it's so interesting. And I'm pretty sure there's going to be a lot more discoveries of the kind of implications of yawning, because it is such a common thing. I've discovered to when I work with people in somatic work, where I get where I'm encouraging to come become president in their bodies. And to talk about being president in your body, all automatically and already brings me enables a lot of people to suddenly become more aware that they have a body. My my beloved teacher, Dr. Lohan, he used to say, you know, some people, some people feel like in the world, there are nobody, they have no body. Nobody is nobody. And he says, then they may make change and feel like, well, now I am somebody. Your father, I'm saying those words are remarkable kind of great direct. And he went so far as to say, we could say we have a body. Or he said, we didn't go so far as to say we are a body. It's the place where our soul lives, and it will live be there until the love freezes from our body. And so it's intimately connected from the time of Adam and all of his successors to us today. When Allah placed that soul in our body. And we asked the question from Allah, am I not your Lord? Allah said the Radhikum and we said yes. And our soul entered our body. So one of the Hikmahs I have in that list is the animal body heals the animal body and the cell. And one of the videos I send out to people is if some of you have probably gotten it, the Impala, anybody else gotten the Impala video? But the video what is this? It's a video of an Impala, like a kind of gazelle that has been caught by cheetah and the cheetah's jaws are on the neck of that. And that cheetah is essentially dead. Did I talk about this yesterday? Yeah, he did. Okay, I don't want to reiterate. But the point of that, that cheetah did not have to listen to a TED talk or go to a cheetah gazelle therapist. The gazelle didn't need to do that. Because what it needed to do was innate by Allah's design. And that what was needed to do innately was to have some means by what time had passed, and that would tell the Impala that it was safe enough to begin to come back. After exiting, being affectionately effectively dead, no heartbeat, no breath for a period of time. You, I and all of us mammals can do that by virtue of the mammalian diving reflex for up to a half hour or 45 minutes, especially in cold water. And there's no damage. That's a protective mechanism in mammals, all mammals. And that so that that gazelle is not breathing, nothing, no movement, and probably no heartbeat. This video. But then at some point, starts to breathe and then suddenly starts breathing lots. Great breathing. And then that breathing starts moving into the body. And it goes through very particular movements. Can't stop me. That's the line. This is what and this is what I've had. This is what brought me to this study of the yawning is I've had people who would have an inclination to yawn. And I said, go ahead and yawn. And then they would suddenly they start yawning and then say, start again, I said, don't don't let it happen. There would be a cascading of this impulse over and over and over. And I mean, in that process of the yawning, very often, there would be memories come up, but it would be interesting in the fact that most when I see these memories, they would be memories that seem to be, at least by my own subjective salvation, they were memories that were being transformed and process as they came forth in the on. Allah gave us everything to you. That, like I said, that gazelle did not have to go to gazelle therapists. It needed to let who was designed in this body to do its work. And yet yawning, well, you all do it in every every year, you find it in every creature, fish, birds, everything, all creatures. It's across the board pretty much socially. I don't know of any. Well, no, that's not true. Probably some very, very earth connected people in forests and jungles in the world, probably don't feel a need to. To stifle it. But that stifling, if you look at that, that is an essential encounter between our man, our animal nature and social constraint. And when we, I mean, for so many of us, that is a, that's a difficulty and a problem in the first place in all different levels. How do we be natural and whole? And, and, and so some people you just mentioned yawning and talk about it, my friend, I was telling him about the research I'm doing, and he's, and on the phone, and he said, you're making me on right now. But it just talking about being in the body, I've seen it makes people begin to yawn. It's natural for us to be in the body and it's natural. So like answering the question the other day, yesterday, which is, we're not learning something new, we're remembering something we lost. So I remember someone that did, it did a lot of somatic, some somatic work with me. And then for a couple of years, she hadn't done any somatic work. She hadn't, and, and we can exit, we can withdraw from our body and, and be dissociated and not present in our body because it's a, it's a strategy for managing the difficulty of being alive. So this woman, I remember one woman who I, I said to her, I've spoken to her for a long time, and she says, I needed to call you because so much is going on in my life, maybe I could talk to you about what's happening. And I said, well, okay, because, and I could tell she was, so I said, well, so what are you noticing your body? And she stopped from what she broke down sobbing. That's all it took. What are you noticing your body? Hello, you remember, you have a body, remember your soul's there in his body, didn't take much.  How what? Well, I mean, it, it is, one thing we know that it is contagious. And I would suggest that because it's used as a signaling mechanism, amongst many other things. The other thing that happens with the yawn, if it's a successful yawn, and you get a bit of tears with a lot of yawning. There was a study done several years ago, and I can't find it again. But that there, there's a new, there, there is something that's recent kind of articulation of what's called the glimphatic session, the glimphatic system. Anybody know that term? No, glim, glimphatic. Glimphatic relates to the glim, the glim cells, which are primary brain cells. And the glimphatic system is like the lymphatic system, but it's much more refined and fine tuned, it's much more like microscopic. Now there you are tuning your, tuning your polyvagal system. People that do this, if, if, and the advice I give them is, that's all right, your body knows to do that. But the secret of that is doing it as slowly as you can, stretching the experience in time, and feeling and being present every piece of that movement. And that will regulate some of the nervous system and the social engagement system. The following vagal system has to do with the double nerves that go from the base of the brain to the heart and the lungs, and their balance or imbalance to the stomach and the entire body, and then back up to the brain in feedback. And is important in the actual social engagement systems of the face voice. We talked a little bit yesterday about the tone of voice and the melody of the voice, right? How much that says beyond the words. Right? We talked a little bit about that. I could go on that long theme on that. So the social, so, so in the animals, you know, most of the studies on yawning have been done with chimpanzees and monkeys and rats. I mean, that's the scientific world. I mean, which, which is kind of unfortunate in some way, you know, because rats are not humans nor are monkeys. But, but, so there's a lot of signaling that's taking place. Sometimes hunger. People are hungry. Sometimes alpha male with a threat will develop on each other, but that's baboons with these big teeth. Part of that is showing their teeth maybe. So there's a lot that we don't know, but we know it's contagious and the degree of contagion in humans. It's not contagious before the age of five. I'm just in study. So, you know, before you're, not until you're after five years old, this will become contagious. That we can make, you know, have opinions on why that would be the case, I suppose. But we know it's contagious. And I say, yeah, I'm not going to, but it is waking up. That's clear. One thing that's common in all these studies is that it awakens what they, it calls, it says an arousal of the brain. So, we can say yawning is something shows we're bored. On the other hand, we could say it shows that we want to wake up, right? I'm going to do that. It was a nice yawn. So, yeah, I was just mentioning about like connecting like sound, touch, vibration and communal healing and the hadra being an example of that. And I have heard like even some people suggest that this was actually a response to, for example, the trauma of the Mongol invasions, is that you actually have the hadra coming out of that. I don't know the origins of it, but I've heard like some scholars mention that, for example. And then I've heard like more recently, a couple of people, Sheikh Idris Swat's being one of them mentioning like, for our times, do we have to come up with maybe something that's actually new and relevant to our times that actually brings in these different elements, bringing in elements of our sacred tradition, but something that's actually for our times, not just like necessarily hadra, but something else that actually is innovative, group worship, still connected to our tradition. Interesting, yeah. Idris is on it. Okay. I mean, yeah, I know. But I wanted to know your thoughts on that. Number one, like what are your thoughts on it? And then two, like how do we actually go about bringing that into community? Because even the hadra is something that's contested and it's a controversial issue, not even among... I think any sort of objection to the hadra personally, pretty thin, really. It's really pretty thin. And the power of it from anyone who sees it and experiences it, the degree to which it's recognized and it seems right, I think it may fit any time. But that doesn't mean there might not be something else that comes out. We don't know. I mean, at the moment, we're bereft in terms of communal thing, in terms of what happens by the social sound that's common.  And it would be thousands and thousands of frogs. And, you know, when the frogs were at night at certain times, you'd just hear this this roaring of all the frogs croaking together. And when I was doing that, all that science nerd stuff, I discovered these studies in which they would take recordings of the frogs and they would amplify them as if there were more frogs and the frogs would stop reproducing. You know, in other words, that was a common thing. There's the murmuration. People familiar with murmuration? Bird? Mermoration of birds and fish? Nope. This is one of the one of the common things. I mean, again, it's really, it's like the Rupert Sheldrake kind of stuff on the assemble level. But it's the fact that the birds, in fact, there's one bird variety, they travel in these great flocks, thousands of them all at once and they all turn at the same time. And they move as a body. They relate to each other. That's called murmuration. And the fish do it as well. And during the study of how they do it, is it the wake of the wings? That's the most common belief. In other words, the movement of one is affecting the movement of the next one and is affecting the movement of the whole. But it's so consistent from the center of the group, all the way to the edge simultaneously, we have to ask what's going on. There's so much that happens that is not directly touch, but it's sensed. It's like there's this story about the sharks. You know about sharks can sense urine in the water from an human, from something like a mile away. Does anybody know that remember that stuff? This is kind of David Attenborough kind of stuff. I'm glad you appreciate that. I like to make these references to people and see who goes, I said over the last one, I said it's kind of a David Kronenberg kind of issue, some woman out their way. And the other thought, who's David Kronenberg? How many of you know quite David Kronenberg, by the way? It's a good reference for a particular, a very peculiar kind of weird weirdness, right? Anyway, so and I want to mention also we're in terms of the touch thing, so I don't know the answer to that. I mean I appreciate Idris and his approach because he has a good solid knowledge and he's also someone like myself because he and I were both present at the beginning of the Islamic psychology where presentations in Istanbul before they started the college and and we both agree because he was you know he calls himself one of my students thank God thank you for that at least because but but you know the shortcomings of psychology but he has a good solid Islamic knowledge and so I'm looking to him always and I always you know say to him that's you know great keep it up go for that because that's what I'm saying I'd like to see this take place in a greater number of us. So I don't know what else it could be but there's endless things I believe in group group music but I believe and like I said some of you may not have heard this yesterday the last workshop I did in Southern California I started it with an example that I learned from Minister Farah Khan that then the million man march in which he had everybody raised their hand it wasn't like that but raised their hand and called their name say I Hakeem Archuleta I whatever their name was and a million man there must have been a million men there was pretty awesome thing he said I and then they spoke their name and they said then he had them repeat I make a vow from this day to never talk or put down or strike a woman in my life from this day on and a long while I'm like that did but it was powerful and people I've spoken to were there with that there were changes the power of that kind of thing together is to do something like that so you know let me just finish that thing because the people who weren't here what I did is I I asked people to vow to sing as often and as much as they could from that day on and to hold to that commitment with their family members with friends with their alone if it's it can be long fine if it's one or two other people even better but to sing because we've lost that part of our humanity and yesterday I said to a man who said I can't sing I said you can sing you are the inheritor of Sidna Daoud the lay salam who sang his message with such beauty that the birds fell from the sky you're a human being and that's your birdness that is your birdness and has built it as all the animal qualities we contain in some degree that's why Allah places the center of His creation with lioness lionishness and birdness and snakeness and so on we could go on and on it's to understand ourself by those forms that are contained within us out there in the creation so yeah we we can recover singing we can recover singing and I don't mean you know I don't believe personally in in that the kind of singing in which we take I mean the beautiful thing about Moroccans the Moroccans, Qasayid and the Arabic Qasidas and stuff that are sung vigorously in harmony with with with strength and power Jalali quality loud the language is not the same as English and the melodies are not the same and the the scales are not the same the scales and from India to Morocco the Makama in Morocco and in the Middle East and the the Raghas in India all of those represent states and the traditional sound someone is talking about sound the medicine of sound the medicine of sound used to be understood by this principle that music at what's it from Shakespeare do you think music has this strength to soothe the savage beast isn't that it did anybody know that Shakespeare line it changed in any words Hamza al-Din loveless his soul did any of you know Hamza al-Din he was in the Bay Area for many years passed away and you know blessed man played the ood and sang and he once I was he came to Mexico and told me talk about how the the music and the belly dancing belly dancing is actually the word belly dancing actually came from ballad dancing and the and the English ballad meaning country dancing and the and the English heard ballad dancing as belly dancing and they turned into belly dancing but he said belly dancing was something in which the movements you know the belly dancing was very specific kind of thing in which the arms would move in accordance to the flutes and the hips would move according to the drums interestingly you know and so on and other parts would move according to the Santor and this is all but he said in those times people have the art in which they could take play music and change someone's state we know this is a technique that was used in Andalusia in Spain in hospitals in the hospitals where they treated so-called mental illnesses with diet activities music theater drama and things that were not talk not talk alone they were activities that changed people and brought people together I mentioned yesterday about therapy that didn't last very long because it's so impractical in which there would be four people to every single person four or five actual people who were well balanced and well boundaryed and contained solid with one person who is not being able to be solid and that they would like by being like proximity to these people they would learn so we learned from each other and we learned from the world around us and we learned from you drive from careening down the highways at 80 miles an hour and 2000 pounds of metal isolated one per driver in what my son used to call isolation pods we learned from those things the medium is the message so yeah we'll see but I'm an advocate for why not do a hugra I mean it's singing and it's the kind of dancing and I mentioned that to some I may have mentioned this now go so far as I mentioned again with the respect shake hands I remember him walking with me in New Mexico and saying you know we should all do hugra and and then he realized his students were behind him and he said for our bodies and I said yes for our bodies that place where our souls and our hearts reside we'll see but I would suggest we bring back singing and I recommend this book I recommended yesterday Rise Up Singing did I recommend that yesterday there is a book I used to have they don't have it right now it's called Rise Up Singing and it's the kind of book it has everything from nursery rhymes to old Irish and English folk songs to Beatles and Dylan songs and traditional it has this amazing collection and it's got the words and it's got the chords and chord changes and things like that you know basic musical but you know you can sing it you can do this with your family and I recommend do it with your friends and family just one of the things we did in Chicago with that thing is we simply we did a little singing here but it's hard to get people to do the Jalal the chorus but one of the things I did in Chicago we had quite a few people how many was at least about 100 people there and I just got people to all and we can do that right now let's just do that okay just make it listen and see if you can find the common note and just do again use my as they follow and listen and do it again this time with more force and more volume and we can make it a lot listen and make it volume a little tiny bit does to your body and your stage if nothing else by breathing with some energy we were designed to sing other ways to send a doubt would not have come in that form and done that thing they say that some people some singers have become so good at singing with such movement that they not only people fall unconscious but some people would die and some of you must know if you've really listened to Gavali or even coke studio recordings you know what I'm talking about the possibilities anyway oh just a couple of years yeah I didn't I mean most most of the people I've worked with since that time are are daisies mostly mostly Pakistanis but I you know what are the inheritance I got there were the two of my teachers were Indian Pakistani and my wife is Pakistani she's Punjabi so I continue to learn Bismillah one of the things that I've noticed is in gatherings when we're reciting Quran or there's a thicker at times you hear voices that are not there singing with you for me how I notice it is because if it's a group of men nobody's hitting that note nobody's hitting that note that note yeah it's a note picking it when it comes you know that you know what genius musical genius is Mozart now how many any of you even familiar with Mozart fond of Mozart music Mozart I mean he was he has a he has a two flute sonata for two flutes that he wrote and he had his genius is he had it designed so that the sound of the two flutes would create a third voice so if you listen and then when you say wait a minute there's a third flute and it's the guy but there's this principle called the it's a circle of fifths does anybody know do you know what who knows what the a fifth is in a in a an octave so you know what so a fifth is what seven semitones sorry seven semitones it's the it's the yeah the fifth of the of the canots well it we could call it the interval between a tonic note one note and the next note that vibrates in harmony with that not the most immediate one but the most common one before it goes on the entire octave so who can sing it who can sing where's mom in the cave something like that the circle of fifths when we're singing together and some people you know say don't sing harm in the traditions they're not singing harmony in kosaid but when we sing together that thing happens automatically the sound of singing three people is greater than one plus one plus one because every so every sound and every vibration that comes from one person's voice will amplify the other ones providing their harmony if they're out of harmony it will dampen it right you all get that so it's the interval between a note because we go up and pick da da da da da da da da da da da that's the 12th tone scale in western music in the arabic world and the rest of the world there's much more tiny more more more notes in that than the scales that are usually used in the ragas in the bakama from the Middle East and chinese music and so forth so a group of five people singing is more than the equivalent of five different voices put together because each one of they're singing in harmony and you know what it's like when you hear people singing in harmony right if uh I mean if I if we'd had the video stuff together one of the things I wanted to present and this could be in the videos that if you subscribe to this next stage of that we were talking about yesterday this is the stage of the stuff I've been producing I produced these videos but a lot of it is listening to the various ways in which harmony is expressed in the world the russian harmonies in the traditional russian virtual that political craziness took place awesome just awesome just like serious pardon me how you how would you search how would you search online for something like oh you can just go to russian traditional russian harmonic singing and you'll find these group groups of men sitting you know and they'll do many different parts that are in harmony different you know so like I guess they do something even five parts different harmonies and then when solo someone will come in and on the top is solo kind of as the the part of a poem it's only poems about the world the nature and the birds and the trees and I mean it's beautiful stuff it's very moving and the africans the africans do the same thing the eastern europeans you know bulgarians singing but the africans are really good at it this multi harmony so that stuff is part of our birthright as human beings that we've left behind for these absurd little plastic discs that we call that we can say about I love music it's one thing to love that and it's the other thing it's the love singing or making some sound even if it's crumbling on a couple of sticks or something okay so what else comments this supposed to be the discussion and I'm just holding forth here and rather than just if I sit down it's going to be I'm going to be a little more passive and even though higher level here what are your thoughts on like shamanism and like what they do who's who's saying that oh shamanism shamanism well I mean there's no way shamanism and there's traditional shamanism shamanism is the natural it's kind of it's kind of people who play a certain role in societies and it's usually around the and rena and realm of the unseen that they bring into their their cultural realities and people who they have had some kind of initiation into an understanding or proficiency in whatever it is they're doing and elected to do the and this brings brings it up something else that I want to talk about and sing is the started to talk about earlier which is the vastness of the unseen that we as Muslims are obliged to believe in Dalekal Kitab we believe in the unseen and the unseen is vast it's much more vast in this material world but in Australia I don't know if people are familiar with the Australians had a Sharia in the past there are ancient peoples ancient peoples and it's only I mean they were someone who visited there in the 30s and 40s tells the story about coming back and how they've been decimated by the modern world and the food from the modern world he said because and he had pictures of these people he said they were like warriors magnificent bodies muscular well formed balanced physique great postures present in the world and then sugar and white flour and all of this stuff came in and wasted the the population but the pictures I mean if you ever look at the pictures of the of the Australian Aborigines in the 30s amazing people and they weren't going to any gym they weren't going to gym but they were no no they were super buff and absolutely beautifully formed bodies that says something about our lifestyle we don't need gyms in fact you know I'm not a I I don't recommend gyms so I do recommend lots of movement we're designed to move like I said the number or I can say the number 11 bus is the starter you know but we don't do that but the Australian Aborigines they had a Sharia and they had an amazing connection to the unseen because they did this they had a practice called the mogul wire and the mogul wire is one thing where if they wanted to communicate and connect with somebody else they would start a fire and they send a message that would be answered by someone else with that fire and then it would just sit down in front of the fire and they connect they would connect somehow the mogul wire and they they would connect with details is that better sound so but also what they would do is if someone had if someone in the community had violated that level of the Sharia in which they would then be uh open to to uh punishment by death it would be done by the shaman they didn't whatever they called it I mean the shaman's a very different name that's that's a sort of catchall phrase for many different things people use their drugs and whatever the Russians would drink you know poison the poison mushrooms and then they urinated out and give it to the next one and they pass it on because it's such a poison it's not assimilate back to our the heck about poison anything we cannot assimilate or eliminate is a real toxin but the shaman in the in the traditional sharia of the aboriginal if a man was sentenced to execution it would be done by the man who had the bag of bones and he would take out of it a one single bone and point at that person done that was the execution and they would die within a period of time so what do you think of that does anybody know the story of the prophet saw the same when he saw the same when he threw a pebble at the man and hid it in his neck and the man turned and said he killed me and the man died what does that say what does that say it says a lot it says a lot about what can happen by imagination and belief and that can happen both in the negative sense and the positive sense I was just sharing with someone earlier about my experience with viruses from many many many years ago long before COVID ever came about in which I would have people would call me from Australia London New York California all within few days of each other and say I have this flu can you help me with it I used to get this kind of I did a lot of that kind of work back early years and they would describe these very specific kind of flu symptoms and they said well it started like this and then this and then this and each one would be so similar my questionnaire came up how can this be so similar and even they described it was sore throats like and then it was subjective description how can they all be so similar it's so spontaneous from such a disparate places in the world did they travel there and it made me question viruses made me question to the point that I was saying I just spoke about this for the first time my friends but I'm speaking about it made me question the whole reality of viruses so much so that when I would hear someone say oh there's this thing going around and my red flags are going red this thing going around okay and then it would start to tell me about it and I would automatically sort of move into this protective mode not dissociation but to protect my own locus and being in which I would hear it but inside it would be protected by the self lack of the law I'm not going to allow this suggestion lack of the law this was was to enter into my being because I felt I felt that that may be the virus itself so I'm just throwing it out as just a suggestion but I will add that that from the scholar's point of view the gin part of gin part of the nature of the gin is that they have qualities they will never know because they are gin they're unseen creatures they are the creatures of the unseen and they are the families of the unseen they have families and they have they have generations and the family and so forth I'll leave it at that but I'm pointing out here how important it is to realize how we are influenced by what seems to be subtle realities back to these things about TV programs that we watch you know I know someone that watched this TV series called the morning show anybody ever watch that yeah and it was very very well done but if you pay attention it's all about backstabbing the theme underlying there's all about backstabbing making something being successful at the expense of anyone and those are the kind of messages that go in in spite of the trauma and the glamour or anything like that the humor humor could be the cover-up for all these things I've never watched Errigal or Errigan or whatever it is huh Errigal I've never watched any of that in spite of the fact that all the Muslims are saying it's about even out of being but I know that these things there are messages that we don't recognize and that we pick up because the subtle influence that we're open to and capable of being changed by are enormous I love the study that happened at one of the universities Midwest universities in which the sociology professor said I want to do an experiment with you all if it's okay and but I you have to bow to keep it secret and private and let no one know about it and don't mention it to anyone and everybody agreed promised prompts yes they all promised and so the experiment was he said I want you when you're on campus if you see anyone wearing red you tell them you look great today you don't mention anything red but you look great today if they had anything red a month later everyone's wearing red if you want to see really another interesting of the influence well the century of the self is people know the century as a self that's a no it's a documentary by Adam Curtis it has a lot about how we are influenced by these subtle realities and subtle things and it's a very so it's an engaging documentary but um what was the other one I was going to mention the other one that's really interesting and someone said and I thought it was a joke they said well you know if you're driving a Subaru what's the likelihood that you would be considered to be what who drives Subarus huh white people with children yeah how about lesbians they're white people not with children necessarily sometimes no but here's it if you go to the Atlantic magazine Atlantic magazine and they have a whole exposition a whole kind of article it's a description of how lesbians were targeted by the marketing world to buy Subarus and the subtle way in which no one knew what was happening but it in the result with all these subtle things like the kind of license but it's kind of color kind of setting it's all psychologically designed so that suddenly became the car for lesbians they were successful it's a really interesting article to read just in terms of the capabilities of that kind of subtle influence healing works in the same way and I say this if they only if there's only only two or three therapists because we're all healers of each other and we have to recognize and be cognizant of the subtle influence we can have even by what we're seeing or thinking inside that may not be obvious and you know in the words it's really important I always say to men I say look assume that your wife knows everything about you knows everything you're feeling and there's no way you can ever be dishonest with her because she knows when you're dishonest and your children the same and your animals the same although the animals are much more flexible in being loyal the dogs and cats they're amazingly forgiving the inside feeling well what I'm talking about let's jump a little bit more and let's see I'm trying to enable it talk about how do we restore wholeness of our being with all the aspects it has from feeling to appearance I have a hard time trying to tell people who address my life if I'm so called comfortable close and I'm going out she says you're going to be homeless today I say no I'm I'll put on some nice clothing you know and how often do I see see this thing where the where the husband is saying yeah my wife that gives me the same thing listen to her now 80 percent 80 percent of judgment is made from one person to another person it's on their clothing and we could say oh that's just materialist and I'm not a materialist and I'm an artist and blah blah blah we could say oh but this is the way we work how it comes dressed and 80 percent of that clothing is on the shoes does anyone notice the shoes I wear yellow we're all comes in I can't go out in public most places without people saying oh I like your shoes but they're just yellows they're out of the ordinary and prophesiesm said and how deep that's the best shoes yellow shoes are the best it's it's a sahih adi so subtle influence can it be related to frequency I think it's it's maybe a little too simplistic way of reading because everything has frequency and everything has combinations of frequencies harmonics and chords chordal realities so you know but because it's very nuanced and one of the things I want to do if we have I've had videos to work with you know presentation was to play certain kinds of music and ask you at certain stages in the music because you know so it happens in the body but when it comes to voice voices I remember recently a man who's a dear dear old friend who was passing through New Mexico he said where exactly are you and I said well I'm in such place he said well we're gonna try to come by when I come back and I knew he was lying I knew he said that but I knew he wasn't gonna come by and he didn't come by but we know so much more and the women know this better by the tone of voice than by the words and it's a pretty important thing and children the same children and teenagers especially they know where you're talking vs or when we're doing that no I this is when I was supposed to say oh yeah this is that's because I'm gonna be a good boy scout girl scout muslim or not and being sedent you know look at the it's important principle here that the prophets notice them his his legacy went to Abu Bakr a sedic not senali who was an amazing thinker and you know insights and deep stuff but of the Bach to be sedic to be genuine this is a goal for us men more than the women because the women were naturally honest and people some people does anybody question that when I say this I'm asking you right now does anybody you know say that's not no it's true I have problem I mean my teacher about marriage and relationships he said the onus is on men the woman can have gone through this was severe trauma and be so so disturbed and wounded but the man if he's going to take on my marriage he has the responsibility to care for that and oversee and care for that person whatever comes and by Allah if he does that he will be transformed but so hard on the age we live in because we all have been wounded it may all have to and that's one of the difficulties with having connection at all anyway what do we you know my one of my teachers dear teachers to say to well you want to let that person in your life vote because we're living at a time you know one of the great metaphors of our time was Titanic which was the film when it came out was the best most popular movie ever was the best biggest box office because it was a perfect metaphor for modern life they all said well this is unsinkable well folks this modern world is sunk it's not sinking it's sunk and there's life boats some are in the wealthier in the life boats some don't get life boats they're holding on to their baggage so to speak somewhere drowning can you repeat what you just said the metaphor well the question was no matter what a woman has gone and gone through does the man have the capability to manage and to be an ally in her healing if you want to look at it from that point of view or or to be her husband husband name is in very specific terms I mean you're taking care of something some men will rise to the occasion and will be and I've seen there are examples I could give you some examples that just spectacular examples of men who have had spiritual practices gone through all sorts of things and it was that woman I mentioned this yesterday it was the woman that in the end provided that final piece they actually needed for that transformation to become a man not all their men in their men's groups with the so-called you know Fatua and then you know being starless shooting arrows and riding horses but they're chopping wood I don't know what it is you know the Prophet said was more like a mother in many ways than he was anything else and he was never he was never accused of being too harsh he was always too soft by others so I don't know I mean it depends on Allah but we live in a very difficult time and there are some situations where a man is not capable of doing that because it is his own wounds usually but we're all so deeply I mean there's some people that are so wounded that you know and I've been doing this work for over 50 years and I've been seeing trauma trauma trauma trauma trauma come to me I'm sick of hearing the term I don't like to even use that term anymore like I say you know I know it's become so overused and watered down nobody understands the essence of it anymore so much so that I expect to be driving down the road and seeing a sign that says trauma informed Sunday branch I'm sure maybe it's already happened somewhere so it's a hard and we have to have the moment we do respect to the therapist they're coming in doing their best but and the shayukh but you know there's a man who studies outcomes therapists Scott Miller do you know Scott Miller it's got an interesting guy isn't he what's interesting is he said the same thing that Dr. Omar said and I heard it from both of them in one week the same thing and I had it just mentioned it to someone too which is the story of Johar and it was about I said it but it's all about the same thing it's about trying to solve things in the wrong way and it's the story of Johar when he's he's under a light lamp and he's going through the ground and the policeman came and I said what are you doing he says I'm looking for my keys oh he lost them did you lose them here he said no I lost them in the house he said well why are you looking here he said because the light's better you know and on some level that's the story of science I mean the science cancer research just it's a juggernaut just continues continues continues and cancer's going up still some cancers are beginning better mental health I mean one of my teachers I saw a video with him at his panel discussion from many many years ago and the first thing he said he started the lecture on he was on the panel and the first thing he said was well it's pretty clear the psychotherapy has failed completely and while there's more and more therapies their self-help books are doubling in publication almost every year it's gone crazy and the number of therapists are now moving into thousands and from that tens of thousands or more of people who are give testimonials for those therapists helping them so with due respect to therapists they're doing their best it's like sinking drowning people yeah you pull them into your boat but we're so wounded I mean there's some cases where I mean I've seen cases recently where I fear the man doesn't have the the presence if he would use that term overused at this particular event the presence to be there for that person and her woundedness or vice versa but it's usually the man that hasn't my teacher taught that in relationships it's the oneness is on men I believe that well and part of it's a chronic injunction about caring from taking care of women but because women already know so much more especially about relationships and feelings and we're trained out of that and we're church and forced out of that into being strong men and various things this this false idea of manhood in charge I mean this across the board thing this orderly this order term where you're and I'm someone mentioned I mentioned this order of term that I learned recently with so many facing women it's primary in Pakistan he's most been most of my people that I've worked with all these years and the and the and the and the expression is what do you know you know what do you know you're just a woman I couldn't know anything so that's why I believe that's the case because women with their balance of more oxytocin and men with their balance of too much testosterone and then men who come to me say how do I boost my testosterone so I can feel stronger and more powerful I said that's not that you don't get stronger more powerful with testosterone you can reproduce and you can make and you can fight but that's not what it's about it's about being the nuanced in insight that informs your heart and makes you a big human being in yourself about about singing so um I was really inspired by the power you mentioned in singing and and the voice the human voice and using it to heal people through the singing so I teach early I focused on early childhood education and I teach children I teach children seven and under and um both in the mommy and me classes along with the preschool classes I try to incorporate a lot of singing and so whether it's um traditional kasaid or the english translation of traditional kaseidas or vikar I really just try to bring that to life through um you know throughout the program um I just wanted to get your advice on what you would recommend specifically for children seven and under in regards to singing what type of songs and any and set you would have to share sounds like you're on it I mean kaseidas but the thing about kaseidas is they're beautifully audibly and they're beautifully written they sound beautiful I mean one of the beauties about the arabic language it's not like english language you know it's like it's no accident that there's more operas in italian because most of the words in italian end with vowels it's ready to sing it's like sign to sing and the arabic language and the kaseidas even if it's mark and singing it's got it's a much more beautiful sound you know people used to people used to listen to Quran that were enemies of the prophet sallat and sallam and they would secretly listen because it was so awesome to hear it we know that last night the party at the end of our session last night that was that was it I mean you know after all the things we did all day we go there and for the asia prayer and this guy and this man he probably lot of mostly you probably know him moroccan I mean I've just gotten to know him recently but that that was I mean that was that's that at all so I'm yeah the kaseid I mean traditional singing tends to be more there's a lot more natural things but even English it's a bit you know I love wash Quran and wash Quran in in group I mean that's one of the things when I became Muslim I heard that to me that was the most beautiful thing I've ever heard and it was it moved me inside I felt like it was my ancestors singing for me reciting for me Quran but then I discovered well not everybody does that amongst the Muslims it's just the Moroccans and the Anilisians and the North Africans so I mean it says sing sing sing sing the Moroccans they start singing you know in the tradition in Morocco is was the was the the tradition in Morocco was to have a Jews of Quran after after Fajr and another Jews after Maghrib but in unison singing so everybody can sit and take part in this collective voice and learn to recite Quran and learn the melodies and learn the style and learn to sing and then they'd I mean you know in the Arab countries in Morocco in Spur and Algeria these you go there and you'll find whole audiences of hundreds of people and they know all these awesome poems long elaborate poems about praise of God and the prophets that I sent him and all this stuff and they know the words to it it's like a whole mass of people singing these spiritual songs there's a similar thing that happens in the in the eastern desi world in Pakistan in those countries from to all that you know in which they're classic poems they don't know them in the same way the Moroccans do it they haven't been singing them for years after years and everybody knows it but it's still based on that kind of spiritual poetry that is absolutely gorgeous beautiful and anyone spent time I mean when I was in Pakistan for those years studying for those two years I had the fortune good fortune to go to lots of Kavali gatherings with very good singers and there's a practice they do there because those songs if you listen to them and you're present and you can understand the words I was with that man that would take me to the take me to the the Makhamat to the tombs of the Aulia I mentioned earlier I don't some of you probably weren't here and he would have me just make becker and then afterwards tell me the story of the out of the Wali without knowing who was there and show me how even by just being there I got something from the nature of his life and someone someone here explain how that happened where? Indonesia in Indonesia where they went with a bunch of several women and the women spontaneously took hands and held hands fell around the tomb with this person just without knowing anything and they all began to cry and they were told afterwards this man was known for his protection and service to women that's who he was as a Wali these things are real and so this man that took me there you know it had a it was the it's the the Quranic truth that they do not say they're die they're alive so this realm of the unseen sorry someone's been wanting to ask a question for you is there a question back there Hamza? yes yes what's that? so the question was when you said the music goes to the tombs what did that actually mean? the music going into the tombs where you said the Islam music what was all about that? I don't remember saying the music went into the tomb but I'm not sure let me I'll repeat this Hamza we a lot designed us naturally to sing and Sidna Dawood one of the prophets he delivered his message in the form of singing and they say that his singing and his message was so beautiful and it was heard because of the beauty of the singing was heard by people with such depth that the birds was so beautiful that the birds would fall from the sky but I say to people when and someone I said to last night I said someone I said sing sing sing out and he said oh I can't sing I said yes you can sing you don't sing but yes you can sing and the only thing that stops most people from singing out and I'll hand it to the Moroccans they don't hold back and I'll hand it even more to the Tunisians who just blast out and when they blast out every pore of our skin acts as an ear and every bone hears what's being sung and if we know the meaning of it it's deeply changes us and has an effect and that's why when we have a powerful vicar we leave the vicar and our body continues to resonate and ring with it so are you going to say something more Hamza? How does the song make the birds fall in the sky? No, fall from the sky because it's so beautiful because birds are the ones they're the ones we think of if you listen to the birds singing they're really beautiful singers I love birds singing there's a woman who used to go to the forest and the east coast with mockingbirds and she used to take recordings of Gustav Mahler's symphonies and play it and the birds would start singing the symphonies so it's the beauty of it Allah gave us that capabilities for reciting Quran with beauty that Qari last night that was the culmination of our whole day of talking about all these things to listen to that extraordinary recitation and it's one of those days I'll never forget that moment so question here sorry John I believe so you know I don't know if you've ever seen young children if you are playing drums or you have a rhythm I had one of the videos I want to have here because how I respond to the world is part of what the second exercise I'm talking about tracking what do I notice in my body what does my body do am I here dead or alive the Quran says the capital and like propped up blocks of wood they don't respond but the human responds and there's eyes of Quran that says for those who hear the eyes and their bodies tremble right Darif and the tears flow Sheikh Habib my Sheikh in one of his Qasidis he said Oh Allah send us that knowledge that will cause our bodies to tremble and our tears to flow you know and open our hearts to that and to that state of being and that doesn't mean a state of weakness it's in its it's a state of greatness and grandness it's a little bigger state than one that's constricted and closed yeah her mother I couldn't even yawn earlier today I still haven't yawn yet but I will I will yawn but my but my daughter is seven and she's just in her in her body much more they have these the the beat going there's bass there's a jimbay drum there's a shaker and she and there's an older woman who is moving and she just went with it and she's like mommy the the music is moving me I can't stop I can't stop the mood and I'm I'm all constricted don't do that it's inappropriate that kind of move is not but she was she just she just naturally you know went with it when so did you all hear that when when the videos that I had tended to play like I said there's several videos I wanted to project them or have a view and then ask you what response to your body but one of is it's a group of african children maybe 15 or 20 young children but I don't know four or three four or five maybe very young and this woman and they never never heard fiddle music you know that kind of fast thing and she starts playing this fiddle music and this is they just go wild they just all respond and it's a whole group of children doing that so and animals it's the same there's a man that used to go there was there was a video I think it was one of these David Addenborough type things I don't know where you know this guy has a piano he takes it out into the jungle and he plays his piano for this elephant that comes in start the movie getting it on with the piano okay so what else how are we yes sorry yeah well that's my my thesis and like I said when I was in when I said Raheel Ray and I said lead design just to move to respond to music well unless you can manage weird places like like I used to go to raves all the time and and and do hot birds during the race I have a quick question if I if I can hello what right here I didn't hear right here I have a quick question to your right right here right here um I'm going back to like where you were talking a little bit more about like the war and you know there's people out here who want to war versus there's people out here who want to have peace perhaps and as Muslims in America in the U.S. you know my experience you know it's been it's been a little bit uneasy to be a Muslim in front of certain you know certain people to be open about who I am and stuff of that nature just curious if anybody else's experience the same challenges before or if anybody has any recommendations for how we as Muslims continue to promote peace in a world that sometimes you know isn't necessarily on the same page yeah well that's a pretty good question and I think it's a pretty common one because we do believe in peace and we believe in making peace and promoting peace and we believe what we believe in fighting when it's appropriate and defending when all that's true sorry for a lot of people even grasp that but it's hard to also to be what I've seen with again like I said most of the people that I've worked with in these over 50 years of work now has been mostly with actually mostly with Pakistanis and Arabs but mostly mostly desis of or Pakistanis Indians and one of the things that's hard for anyone my wife is a Punjabi and you know it's hard for people to understand like white people like me I came out of a privileged white people typical white people Southern California community where there were no black people not even brown people not even you know Asian people there were there were Mexican Americans next door who saved my life as human beings to be honest and where my protractors when I was in high school because I was a foreigner there so I understood that but it was hard for me in time I finally recognized what it means to grow up I have one woman who is a dentist and she was working in the community was with a wide range of of Muslims and mostly Muslims as a dentist and she moved to somewhere else and she started working with a clientele who are mostly mostly white people and she said and she said I couldn't help it but it felt like they were all looking sideways at me and I thought what a good description of something and that's you know people say there's trauma that's obvious and there's trauma that's not so obvious and there's something that I considered insidious trauma which is trauma that takes place in a subtle way but over a long period of time over and over and over and one of those is being shunned and being having being looking looked sideways by other people that is felt and it's felt more by women and it is by men but it will be felt and it will have an effect and an impact and we're you know we're all dealing with that now and it's it's a topic of it's a current topic of discussion you know what that means to have lived through that and these centuries of it and the ongoing quality of it now so but in terms of dealing and being strong in the world there's several you know principles that I personally believe in but you know this is from the people as I came and someone who is whose opinions and views are colored by all the people I've seen but I will say that one can express it's possible for one to express everything one feels it's possible for anyone to express everything everything one feels and my teacher said if you do not express what you feel it will destroy you you must expect and but that expression has to be done with Ekma and ideally it's done with Ekma and compassion at the same time holding to those principles holding to that but recognizing that anything it needs to be said can be said if it's said in the right way but it must be done and he also said anyone who expresses their feelings fully they will not be depressed but so many people they don't have anyone they feel safe expressing anything to and then they say something you shut down that's been applied of women over and over and over and over and over where they express what they feel and their men say no you're not even feeling that that's not even real you all that's because or you need to do this or blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah so its strength is not more testosterone or bigger biceps that you show off by having short sleeve shirts and having big cars or you know anything else the outward show of power big houses strength is by having certainty in oneself and real trust in the law and recognition that he has your back more than yourself or anyone else ever could have and that's not you know that's easy to see say as a good what I'm called Muslim one of the things that disturbs me most these days is I see people who are struggling and they're struggling with whatever it is in the world that has wounded them and given them difficulties in the world and they're making an effort by coming to me to try to come forth from that difficulty and then they listen to a spiritual teacher say well you won't be depressed if you strong him on because a lot of trust in the law and you all you have to do is increase your Iman and have stronger Iman and you won't be depressed or anxious well yeah but how you do that it's a great thing to say and so they come to me and say I guess my Iman I mean or they'll say all you need to do is to sell out to the me all you have to do is sell a lot you do prayer enough on the Prophet and you won't have any anxiety and he says something comes to us well I do it 300 times every night and I'm going to increase it to 500 I'm still anxious so we have to be real about people's condition and we have to honor where they're at for them to move and to come to the next to move to the next stage one of the songs talking about them the art of music it used to be I mean if a person is depressed and sad it doesn't mean you just simply play and they're happy I mean the art of of the Andalusian type of Qasidas was this this this transition from melody to melody to melody to melody and same in in the Maqamat in the traditional Arab music in which you you may start with a phrase the serious minor chords minor kind of quality sad and then move little by little transforming changing changing the influence of you know people ask me to work with their two things that I've been been given tasks to work with our young children or disruptive and in trouble and old people who are in states of dementia and for those people for children one of the most valuable therapies is one of my most valuable therapies for children that I've discovered through the years is well one of I'll just give you one technique that I use which is it's this and things of that sort why why can that be therapy and why should play be therapy it's fun what else saying it it connects you with it's connecting play and play as I said before play is never random play is specifically coming forth because play is spontaneous we don't plan play children come up oh let's play yeah well let's do this first and then let's do this second and oh yeah then the monkey bars it's it has to be spontaneous or it's not play absolutely absolutely the question is can that same kind of connection be made to connect with the inner child anybody who connects with people in any number they will not make it all serious there has to be humor in it there has to be this alternation you know of gelal and jamal of series and and and it part of it so a great degree it was connection I said before that I believed for doctors the man that just I mentioned Scott Miller Scott Miller is a man very interesting it's valuable for us Muslims to hear this Scott Miller is the one that studies you know about his outcomes study right and he's he in a group of people have studied the outcomes of people who are have emotional you know I don't like to use the term mental illness I just don't want to ever use it to be honest but people who have emotional problems and he studied the people who go to psychotherapists or psychiatrists who go to medical doctors who go to clergy that would include in moms spiritual teachers friends and psychics and of those they studied well what was the greatest number of people said that said well I got good results I felt better from this healing is another thing we won't get to the realm of healing we'll talk about feeling better what were the better outcomes from what group of people and what and what do you also put what was the best outcome from what group friends you think friends people think friends is it it's an important thing for us Muslims to hear and therapists to hear the psychics the psychics had better reports of good results over a longer period of time and they made more money on it what does that say I suggest give me five you got it absolutely it's back to what we were talking about earlier we believe in the realm hello well let's do so and let's begin to recognize the nuanced realities that are there in the unseen much greater and more vast than this final result of material things and how much influence that has I've got into that a bit about the subtle influences of things when I went to first went to Morocco I mean again this thing about the eye being a piece of the brain pushing out through the skull we don't want to see things that we don't want to see everything that exists prophet sardis said if you could see what I see you probably wouldn't go out at night you know we don't want to see that we we want to sustain and manage I mean by the same token to see and to be able to feel cognizant and aware of the extraordinary generosity of a law or the kindness of a law or the forgiveness of a law all these positive things we if we could see it in its fullness it would probably overwhelm us we would not be able to contain it because it's too much but when it comes to the unseen we want to keep it we want to keep a modicum of ways in which we can manage it we don't want to see too much but I remember when I first went to Morocco and the Morocco and some people more than other peoples are more open to the unseen and they're more conversant with it on a regular basis and that conversant with it on a regular basis also enables it in many cases to become more present if you believe in miracles by a law they're more likely to see them and recognize them and experience them allows them our expectations of it so when I first went to Morocco and we had this evening of Dikker and I was sitting with all these people you know that I couldn't speak the language and people translating for me and I was all this all new world and it was an amazing Dikker like last night it was this amazing night of Dikker you know it was just all these things happening and I was sitting at the table and this one man said he said it was awesome he said yes it's a Dikker it's true about the Malai the angels he said at one point there were two angels that flew in that window up above and came and surrounded all of us in this such a sense that thing happened at that time and I thought wow, it's gone a lot what an amazing thing that he was able to experience that and I took it as an interesting and more as a subjective experience that he had until at another point I was sitting at another table there was another group of people not from this table and there was a man there he said yeah it was amazing there was one point it was two angels and he said he described the same thing and that's when I said whoa what's happening here that I this I never said this is something I don't know about yet but I didn't say yet I said this is something I don't know about so when we believe and expect in miracles because what's happening right now is a miracle if we want to define any in any sort of way we might define miracles it's something that's so remarkable so remarkable as is seen totally impossible and that is we are existing in Allah's creation that my friend my friend Fatiha Ben Ali dear dear brother he said to me he's talking with him about some some people that were having really difficulties with coming out of their emotional stress and difficulties and he said you know we have a saying in in Libya and he said it's not one of the hundred one of the aslam al-ghusam not one of the beautiful the the most beautiful names of Allah but it's al-mudabir he said and the saying they use is al-mudabir hakim and it means it's all gonna be okay it's one of the most powerful statements we can give to any person it's all gonna be okay somewhere inside we know that truth for reality because Allah is in charge in the end whatever is going to happen Allah is in charge in al-mudabir hakim it will all be okay so alhamdulillah yes okay question online the question is what type of environments or space should we surround ourselves to help with presence what kind of space should we surround ourselves to help ourselves with presence well there's so many aspects to what we find ourselves in to increase presence in ourselves to increase presence because we'll find ourselves in all sorts of easy and difficult surroundings inevitably this is the way it works but to increase that we want to do things we want to be in environments and places we will get good reflection one of the most powerful things is good company to be with people who are honest to be with people who we can trust what they feel about us and what they might say about us I mean that's a pretty obvious one you know people who remind you know there's a saying you know I mean one of the one of the hadith is said hadith is a Qur'an to be with the people who remind you of Allah and that that mandate or that recommendation it doesn't mean to