nfringing toys are extremely concerning on a number of levels Including the potential ramifications for children's safety Not only as a brand compromise and ip stolen But it's also likely that that toy has not undergone the rigorous safety testing and certification Required to be sold in the u.s We urge the agency to continue its diligence working even more closely with other other government agencies to help combat these fake goods Further scrutiny of e-commerce platforms and one-off shipments of products coming in unchecked at the ports through either Courier services or the mail should be a budget priority for cpsc in the coming years The supply chain has become increasingly complex and thus the impact of regular of regulations has become more difficult to predict For example in recent years cpsc has issued certain draft rule makings prior to soliciting Stakeholder input and industry has universally pushed back Concerned about the significant cost those proposed rules could have on their business operations We therefore recommend cpsc reach out to stakeholders prior to issuing draft rule makings Often like the stakeholder meeting that happened yesterday So the regulators can be more fully informed of how these regulations may impact business processes Such meetings would have been helpful prior to the issuance of the 1110 rule The third party testing regulations and proposed voluntary recall rule This is a process frequently used by other government agencies such as the faa and the epa and should be emulated by cpsc Cpsc has made many strides recently to increase consumer awareness of safety programs and initiatives Often partnering with stakeholders to increase the effectiveness of such campaigns Specifically the pool safely and incorrect campaigns have garnered the attention of consumers across the country Cpsc should continue to look for opportunities and appropriate partners to help improve consumer awareness on current and emerging product safety issues of importance With the agency's limited budget, this can make better use of limited resources In amplifying a message and its outreach and further advance the agency's mission of protecting consumers In recent years, there may have been some reluctance to engage with industry And some stakeholders on such programs But we urge the agency to continue pursuing meaningful programs to inform And educate the public on issues of consumer safety and utilize all tools and potential partners at their disposal For example, we see a need for increased consumer education on the importance of following the age grade labeling on toys As the agency well knows appropriateness age appropriateness is a key factor in ensuring safe play Especially when it comes to children and with new parents grandparents new parents and grandparents joining the marketplace every day We would urge cpsc to reach out not only to the toy association But to other industry groups to work together on educational campaigns Toy safety is the top priority for the toy industry and we are supportive of cpsc efforts to keep consumers safe from the unreasonable risk of injury and death associated with consumer products We appreciate this opportunity to provide feedback to the agency and we wish to be a continued resource for commission and commission staff Happy to take any questions. You might have Thank you very much. We will now turn to our five minute rounds for each of the commission questions And i'll begin that round of questioning mrs. Bigwig and i apologize for having to cut you off But i don't know if you It's if there is anything left that you would like to say or Points you'd like to make clearly i talked much faster this morning when i timed myself And made it under the 10 minutes. I didn't talk quite fast enough My comment was really actually going to echo what autumn indicated about Developing a trusted trader program for importers. There is in effect What was supposed to be a trusted trader program importer self? I have assessment Product safety, which is a joint cbp cpsc program that program Has has really not seen its full potential because Participants it hasn't been demonstrated to importers that there really is a benefit to that program and as autumn indicated It also has been really limited to those that are current participants in in cbp's isa program we think that by By developing a program where Importers are willing to open up their product safety compliance programs to review by the cpsc that An opportunity for input and improvement that the cpsc can move its attention to Away from low-risk importers to really high-risk importers and that's really where you're going to get the defective and non-compliant product I think the one point that I wanted to make is that there was I've heard some concern that the agency wants to wait until cbp Implements its and does its review for its trusted trader program And I would really urge the cpsc to move forward now. There really is no reason to wait There's already interagency risk assessment methodology that has been looked at And any program that the cpsc does implement can be then slotted into cbp government-wide Trusted trader program when cbp finally implements its Its new review Thank you. And my concern always with the trusted trader program is it would Disparately affect the small businesses due to the cost of it But what you're talking about the the trusted trader light program that seems and maybe we can talk about that further And have additional discussions about that Because the small businesses obviously it would benefit them as well probably more so and so To take that into account would be good. I also wanted to welcome mr. Greg I think this is your first priorities hearing and your maiden voyage so welcome. Thank you for being here Um another point I wanted to make earlier. I think I misspoke I talked about our commitment to 104s and maintaining our Our statutory responsibilities and one of my colleagues pointed out. It's not Two 104s every month. It's two 104s every six months. So petty palitzer. I see she's very happy to hear that I so anyway, and I all one mother point that I wanted to make was also that It was raised in the first panel with regards to batteries and lithium ion batteries And in the second panel was raised with regards to hoverboards And I wanted to just make it clear that the commission As a whole both the commissioners as well as our staff have really made lithium ion batteries A priority for this agency realizing the implications that it has on safety and the issues that we've seen thus far So the agency is concentrating on it and spending time and resources Towards that end to see what we can find out to promote safety We're also involved in intergovernmental discussions Because as was pointed out in both panels, there's opportunities for us to work with other agencies So we're not each working in a silo um I wanted to ask mrs. McGuigan with regards to the internet of technology. Have you thought about? Where this agency could start? Obviously, um, it is a concern. I spoke to the american bar association on the topic with other governmental agencies in terms of This is just it really is coming to pass and coming quickly Do you have any thoughts about where we could begin to address that issue? There currently is a interagency working group that I know is addressing thus. Um, I I think part of it is Dead one Dedicating the staff and resources to be able to do this to understand that that's a priority for the agency There are opportunities to engage with interagency workforce I think yesterday's example of the recall effectiveness workshop was a terrific example and model that could be replicated to gather in all stakeholders including Privacy advocates cyber security experts Um, and I would imagine that it wouldn't be just a one-day event It could be a series of them where you have particular topics that you're um addressing To gain the information to help you develop a risk-based approach to these products. Thank you very much My time has expired commissioner idler. Uh, thank you very much, madam chairman and ms. Kern Unless I'm mistaking this is also your maiden voyage before the commission and welcome to you as well um So as I was sitting here reflecting on the testimony this morning One of the things that struck me is I listened to ms. McGuigan and ms. Kern and ms. Moore Is that you represent groups that are? Terrific in terms of enlightened progressive leadership you speak fiercely on behalf of your members You're very quick to point out when you think we Um Commit errors, but you you have always worked cooperatively with us and we can't thank you enough for that And I also wanted to include uh chuck samuels in that statement because aham has been a terrific group to work with So, uh, ms. McGuigan, um The first thing I wanted to talk about Is this notion of an advisory committee and you take me back to days of old and probably i'm the only one Who remembers them but actually in the early days of the commission we had three advisory committees So one of which was a product safety advisory committee And when we got to 1981 one of the things the commission said is you're Robbing us of resources and uh Maintaining advisory committees actually a very expensive thing to do So, um, I'm just wondering What should we sacrifice in order to set up an advisory committee first of all And secondly, uh, could you uh clarify? Are you talking about an advisory committee that would be constituted solely with industry stakeholders? Would it be a mixed bag including consumer representatives? The latter Um, you have heard from various commenters over the last couple years Arguments pushing for a federal advisory committee and I think that has been in large part Due to Several proposed rules that were made That we believe were ill advised that were not That there was no input sought. I mean, there really wasn't an understanding of global supply chains and how it would impact and And really what was the best way to effectuate the results? So the A federal advisory committee is not the only solution, but it is a solution to that would institutionalize ongoing engagement and I think that's why that that you've heard this proposal several times if there is a Culture change where ongoing engagement is consistently sought from all stakeholders, not just industry Consumer advocates as well. I mean, I think you want to be as as well informed and best advised Um, then probably the push for afaka would go away But that is one method to ensure that it is institutionalized into the agency's dna I had a quick question for miss kern You raised the issue with respect to the flammability of spandex and reading what you've said It seems to be an important point. I guess my question is Uh, you've Shared this data with the staff. Is it the case that the staff has come back and said we don't agree with you? Or is the case the staff is working on it? But they said and this is reminiscent of the point. I was just making we still have the resources to bring this to the commission immediately because we're a tiny agency struggling to Pay our way Thank you commissioner. So this is very much an ongoing process for us We've received some data back from our labs to indicate what they've seen in their testing So this is this is an ongoing process. We have not received Um, a decision back from you also. We look forward to continuing that process with you And then finally, uh, miss weintraub I did ask dr. Hoffman if they had any position on the executive order And my understanding is that cfa actually does have a position on the what they Informally referred to as pago. Do you do you have a position? Would you mind sharing that? We do have an official position on the Two out one in been trying to find the right metaphor for many months now. Um, we oppose it Vigorously we think it is um irrational. We think it is bad policy across the board Regulations especially from this agency are infrequent There are not many mandatory standards that the cpsc has promulgated since the cpsc was created every single regulation Takes years some longer than others extensive resources An extensive need is documented for these rules and to be required to get rid of two to move one forward Is beyond one based in logic or evidence and we wouldn't certainly never ever Want a particular segment of the population to suffer increased risk as a result of of protecting Um another population and that is not how our regulatory system Has worked in the past nor do we think how it should work in the future. Thank you very much Thank you. Commissioner adler commissioner moropkinson Ms. McGuigan, uh on this federal advisory committee when I first joined the agency four years ago I had some great idea on getting audience participation or stakeholder participation that I that was original to me I've found that most of my ideas were not original Um that I've come up with in the last four years But when I when I really examined what we as an agency would have to do in terms of meeting The federal advisory committee act it was just really we just didn't have the resources But I did back in those days, although I got no response encourage industry on particular issues to get together A group without our involvement because it could provide a very An excellent dialogue with us if industry could get together and hammer out what their position is and why On particular issues, so I just throw that out to you that that you don't have the constraints that we have And I know that we would we would welcome such a thing I want to ask a couple questions on data of you miss mcglugin and miss windtrop Since the last priorities hearing I know chairman berkel is very very interested in figuring out how we can expand our data capabilities And my office has been has been very focused on this for years now But we've become aware since the last priorities hearing a vast array of data sets that already exist That we may we hope and believe may already have product injury Incident data in them And just for a moment setting aside what we had in the retail reporting program Has your group miss mcglugin done anything to try to find those data sets to see What if anything we could do with them and I guess just because you may answer this anyway want And as windtrop you last priorities hearing as I as I recall we're sort of focused on could we get the incident data Matched up with some socioeconomic information so that we could better provide education if if nothing an outreach So I don't know if either of you have been successful in finding data sets that are out there that might be helpful to us Um, well the issue of low-income child safety is one that we continue to prioritize It was in my written testimony this year as well One suggestion that we have is figuring out whether the nice system could include Proxy that would protect Patient privacy, but would give an indication of the socioeconomic status of the consumer We think due to the very positive interaction and one of the rare pieces of Of collaboration where hospitals can obtain this information and we know what's relied upon by cdc and others That um system the nice system Could be the place where that data is collected We've not been successful in in making that have been yet, but we Very much think it should and we think being able to understand And socioeconomic status understanding how different communities obtain information Um, how different communities may suffer disproportionate risks than others could overall enhance Injury prevention efforts across the board Our members have been focused more on enhancing the data that they individually collect So their consumer data rather than looking for Outside Let me just throw out there that um, heather bramblin I just got back from a trip to israel where we visited some Different organizations doing very interesting thing and there's a group there Butterum that's sort of taken our nice data the way we gather it and kicked it up a notch And while it's a micro because israel only has 24 hospitals and they have 11 participants in the program They've done some amazing things in terms of educating medical professionals Who work with families where there's been an injury because they found there was a repeat incident rate That was pretty high with with both the child that was injured and within the family and their their numbers are just Just really really impressive. So I don't know. Maybe we can kick off a pilot program I'm a micro person. So maybe we could figure out how how we could work with that And uh, mr. Greg, I thank you so much for some of your wonderful ideas on how we could promote safer products Dot gov. I'm running out of time. So I just I just want to say that again on the micro level Um, you you have given us some great ideas on how we could We could increase the visibility, but I would encourage you even with your members I think you said you have 400 000 members To get them to report to us when they know of product injury data We start with you know, whatever group we have in front of us So I would just strongly encourage you to do that. Hopefully we'll have another round. Thank you Thank you commissioner Robinson commissioner k. Thank you acting chair and thank you to the panelists Ms. McGuigan in your written testimony, I don't think you referred to it in your oral testimony but in your written testimony you referred to uh, egregious, this is your quote egregious and willful violators That we should be focusing on in the simple penalty context that we're not Can you give me some more specifics about who those willful and agree or egregious and willful violators are? Well, Clearly, I don't know who they are because you haven't moved forward with the penalty case what what our concern was that there has been over the past several years a focus on the amount of the penalty and the vast majority of the penalties not in all situations, but Certainly many of the penalties have been on failure to timely report And in some instances There is a belief within the regulated community that that is the cpse second guessing and taking look at data that The product safety professionals within an entity is really looking at it's really not going after those that are deliberately and willfully bringing in products that Don't comply intentionally not complying That's what those comments were directed to so do you have examples though of people that you believe are willfully and egregiously violating the law As I indicated before I would not have that because you have not moved forward with a penalty case that that is the point Is that if you focus your investigative resources? not just on Those that can pay big penalties, but focus them on potentially high risk Importers do enhanced data mining of your safer products gov That you're able to determine And identify willful and egregious violators I see and you mentioned data mining and you mentioned it in your role Statement and I think if I got it right you said that there were recent developments in data analytics that We should be employing that we're not is that what you said? I did and What are those and I ask and what do you mean by recent because the agency staff has been looking at this for a long time We have very sophisticated Data analytics, I believe and very qualified personnel In our epidemiology division What I'm wondering what they're missing that you're aware of Well, I can tell you that uh our trade association in and of itself is doing a whole um Push on innovation and we have had IBM Accenture Deloitte Other groups come in and talk to us about the use of artificial intelligence the use of predictive analytics There was a panel even at the regional iqviso where some engineer students got up there and we're using um analytic data on publicly available consumer reviews Able to identify consumer products. I'm not aware that the cpse is doing that if they are it would be useful to Let the public know that they're doing that If they aren't doing that then I think the cpse should explore some of those Options i'm pretty sure by the way in the same groups that you've seen have come and pitch their products to our staff as well Over the last few years. Well, it may be helpful to and we've we've talked about this internally within our members It may be helpful to do So that you have a pilot of real data and one of the potential options is to look at um Old retail reporting data Use these tools on that data and then see what comes out from that I mean you would actually Determine whether or not these tools are helpful to you or not. Yeah, and I to commissioner robinson's point I think that that's something that relic could actually organize You can ask your members for that data and you can run that Piled it and get that to us and tell just and tell you right now. We just don't have the resources for it Uh, you mentioned earlier about the faca which obviously has gotten exhausted coverage so far is a very popular idea amongst my colleagues and me um You the examples that you and miss more cited were three rule makings that were Initiated at least three chairman ago and to put it in more Probably meaningful terms four iPhones ago And so i'm wondering You talked about culture change and perhaps there is a lack of a recognition of culture change Do you have more recent examples where you feel like the existence of a faca? In our current day activities would be making a difference I think there's a couple issues that we can talk about and I think recall I think the recall effectiveness workshop was a terrific example I mean you announced that over a year and a half ago So it took a long time for the agency to actually move forward in the meantime The regulated public had no idea where that stood So if you had a faca there would be a Structure in format again. I'm not wedded to that particular format it's it's A push or a plea really to get enhanced engagement and ongoing engagement with all stakeholders again yesterday's conversation I thought was terrific Thank you commissioner k commissioner mohorovic Thank you madam chairman and thank you panelists collectively for your contributions ms. Weintraub I want to thank you and congratulate you for highlighting The crisis as you put it the crisis which is atv and rov use on roads And highlighting the fact and pointing out a statistic that 65 of the fatalities Of atv is this atv's and rov's atv use occurred on roads and the extremely high percentage of those roads which are paved roads Etc. I have failed I think in every attempt to discourage states from Opening up roads opening up roads for atv and and lawful rov use Especially new mexico where I failed to encourage the sponsor to withdraw as legislation fair to encourage Representatives and senators to vote against it and fail to encourage Governor martinez to veto the legislation. So I am clearly not the vehicle for change here To address the crisis as we see more and more states are opening up their laws for maybe in some situations limited use, but I think more use than anybody who understands the hazard would be comfortable with If you could touch on two points Because it directly relates to me with on-road use Conspicuity as an issue to me troubles me in a sense that I I Wonder whether or not that's going to encourage more Use on roads if people see that the fact that the product has these kind of elements that we might mandate That would encourage them to use on roads and then also generally what you think the the agency should do to discourage Use of atv's and rov's on on roads and especially paved roads Well first I want to thank you for your efforts as a consumer advocate. I am very Um Very experienced with not achieving goals right away So it takes a long time and we really your efforts were excellent and we'll make a difference We just defined things over longer periods of time Um, I appreciate the question. Um, even this past march. We saw an increase in local Um entities considering on-road Ordinances, um, we sent letters to 13 entities use that month. Usually it's about three. Um, and there's definitely an increased Interest especially when states pass laws allowing local entities to increase on-road access. Um in terms of Being conspicuous. Um, I want to interpret this in a number of different ways. First, I think it's not clear to consumers When if they are if they are cognizant of this at all When and where they could safely and legally operate atv's on roads when it is so variable Even within one state it could vary by county. It could vary by some other, um, definition of Municipal lines and it's very confusing for someone who Wants to comply with the law further. It's very confusing when there is a label on the vehicle itself, which says You know operate do not operate on roads. What does that mean? Obviously it entirely undermines the warning if consumers are aware of the many warnings on the ATVs at all Which is another issue that we would love the agency to study in the rulemaking Um, so the issue of being clear and conspicuous to consumers is very significant. Um in terms of Making OHVs better able to operate on roads By design. Yes, that's very disconcerting undermines all of those messages and and generally We need a lot of help here. We need We need people In particular states, we need people at all levels of government To have a very clear message also working with industry Which um some industry documents indicate widespread Clear opposition to operation on roads and yet there are industry groups in in local In in who are vociferous in supporting increased access. So it's confusing in terms of where folks are So we need to speak in a unified loud loud clear voice Um again and again about how problematic this is and the great risk that it poses to consumers Anything specifically with the agency That you think we could do potentially collectively to discourage or yes, I think The cpsc can be clearer in terms of messaging messaging. I think Making clear that roads mean paid paved and unpaved Reiterating the message. I've seen a lot of really creative tweets great images Um with dinosaurs and others. I've really noted that creativity. I'm retweeting them. I'm reposting them But we need to do a lot more We need to make sure that this message gets out there from the beginning when people decide to purchase these vehicles from the very beginning Thank you very much Thank you very much. We are going to have a second round of questions We all feel that would be helpful to all of us. So I will begin that second round um One of the things I wanted to talk about because it was brought up in the previous panel as well as here and that is this Property infringement and the property rights infringement and these Counterfeit goods that are coming into the country. So our agency We'd like to be more proactive And that's a good argument for the retailer reporting program catching those um Those issues up sooner and earlier but with regards to this issue of patent infringements and counterfeit goods I would just ask all of your help in terms of now. You heard aham this morning identify a counterfeit Issue that they are having but as your members see or identify these issues, whether it's toys or in the retail in your space That you would call those to our attention because then that can direct us and staff can Presumably or hopefully be directed in a direction I think the challenge we all face now is the internet and all that is going on there Into your point. I think there's so much going on under the radar that we can't get to because they aren't the folks who Are sitting here at the table this morning. They're not the consumer groups are paying attention here It's um, it's those who are in the shadows and that's the challenge for us is to find those products because they're On the number of occasions more dangerous than what's out in the marketplace So any assistance you can provide us as your members identify these issues come to us with the specifics That would be very helpful and I would say that on all of the On all of the testimony in both panels. There's referrals or comments about situations um But for us to know the specifics Is very very helpful. It's the way we can address the issue. So whether it's I'm looking back at kids in danger and Nancy Um, as you identify these problems or dr. Hoffman talked about a lot of products out there that aren't being regulated As you get as you identify these or your members identify these these products to come to us with the specifics because then that can point us in a direction because You know, we're doing the best we can but as you've heard Uh across the dais this morning and across your table as well Our resources are limited our staff is limited and so any help we can have in identifying these issues would be greatly appreciated So that's all I have commissioner adler Uh, thank you very much and I just wanted to say commissioner moharovic that I think you sell yourself short and the work You've done on a tv's on roads. I think what you've done has been exceptional That's stuff. I've tried to join you in doing and yes, we have been unsuccessful so far But the point I've noticed is you don't give up And so I think your efforts will continue and I hope to continue working with you In that respect So a very quick question miss mohar. I noticed that you raised the issue when Toys are stopped at the ports the idea of Allowing importer to sample detain shipments for testing at a cpsc approved lab That's something I assume you've shared with the commission and i'm curious. Have you gotten a staff reaction? Seems like a good idea to me in the abstract, but I haven't talked to staff about it But is this something where staff has come back to you and said we don't agree with you? Or is this another one of those the idea has been passed to us and we're we're mulling it over I believe it's the latter Okay. Well, thank you because uh is with so many of these things at least in the abstract Without hearing any other ideas. It sounds like a good idea to me So miss mcguigan, uh, I did want to ask you on page two of your testimony you raised the specter Actually, it was on page four and on page two of the commission reviewing Those unnecessary ineffective and overly burdensome regulations and I would never argue that all of our regulations are The opposite of that and efficient and effective always, but I do think we have a fairly good, uh Review of regulations and i'm not asking you to give me a list right now But if you have specific regulations in mind, I think we would greatly appreciate it If you would share your notions about those in the underlying Support and documentation absolutely so we do intend to comment On the notice We do you tend to submit comments. We've actually been busy Serving your members for this and yesterday so now we will turn to you that and and that's something we would I at least I would really appreciate and I suspect everybody here. No, it's our intention to provide Thank you for that. Um, mr. Gregg again, welcome to you and thank you for your testimony I just wanted again to reflect on safer products gov because I've been at the commission. I think it's going on nine years now and I cannot remember a more contentious meeting that we've ever had than when we were considering safer products gov As I recall we ran through something on the order of 21 proposed amendments that in my view would have crippled and weakened safer products gov And what's fascinating now is that a lot of the criticism seems to have gone away. There were concerns that trial lawyers would send floods of claimants to The safer products gov that people would salt I think was the term Frivolous complaints that would jack up the number of complaints that would give people leverage In product liability litigation and so on. I think none of that has occurred And so what's interesting is to hear Very little pushback from the people who are objecting to it But now to hear consumer groups in particular saying, okay, it's working. It's successful expand it And I completely agree with you that that is something that we need to spend more time and attention on That's just a comment in passing And miss Kern I I just wanted to again Make a quick comment about harmonization because I see that your industry views it as a huge challenge I think we view it as a challenge, but this is again back to the notion of resources As a commissioner if somebody said to me Can you write a new safety standard or can you take? Your safety standard and harmonize it with somebody else's I think the answer is usually we're going to try to do something to expand protection For consumers and what I have found and I'm curious if you have a reaction Is that most Importers most manufacturers when they're faced with conflicting international standards or conflicting state standards they just say what's the most stringent what's produced to that and There's some record keeping that's annoying, but basically in terms of production or having separate inventories That really isn't occurring as much as one might think do you have any reaction to that or any additional Evidence to give us and Kind of conforming to the strictest standard we do in certain cases advise members As that is typically what makes the most sense to be able to produce a product that can be sold across different markets so that's Advice that we pass along as well, but we do appreciate just kind of the mindset of approaching Product safety in a similar fashion between states and and abroad so that that priority can remain as well Thank you very much Thank you commissioner. Robinson. Thank you. Um, mrs. McGuigan I i'm going to put you on the spot here a little bit many retailers and um rila members are now With their online presence are providing a third party platform and because when our statute was written that wasn't even something that was A concept let alone a reality And it's becoming more and more ubiquitous and there really is nothing mentioned in our statute about an obligation for third party Platform providers to do the 15 b reports that other people have and i'm wondering if you think there's any chance that rila Would work with the cpsc on a pilot program to try to Get third party platform providers to report to us And that's a good question. We only have one Member maybe to then i'm aware of that is offering a platform So obviously i would have to consult with that those particular members It i think there is a challenge because the communication goes directly to the online seller so the platform provider Often most frequently doesn't get that information at least that i'm aware of so i probably would need to learn a little bit more about The mechanics of how that works which frankly i'm sorry i just know that's okay But let's talk about it further because i know that i know for liability purposes There's some distance built in there as well, but i i really would like to get my arms around this one I just don't think we're going to get anything through this congress to to take this into account Ms. Weintraub i'm very interested in what you think about the metrics that are being used with respect to laundry pod incidents under this new standard um I think we need to do a much better job of getting those metrics Out there and getting data Out there in a quicker More transparent way We've been very concerned and share the concerns of aap and others about the idea of coming up with a rate based on Sale figures alone is problematic. It's not how you measure Um public health and in the standard itself that is not the sole measure We worked hard to make sure that that in fact um was not um the sole measure because Obviously when you look at public health issues the problem Exists um in and of itself and You need to look at the incidents Do you agree that with dr. Hoffman's comments about what denominator should be used in making this analysis? I do I do um, but I also think that looking at the straight numbers itself is also Very important and And there are there is um some data out there. There's a lot more that has not yet been finalized But looking at the straight numbers itself We want to make sure that those numbers decrease and that fewer people across the board Suffer as a result of these types of okay I'm sure you're aware of the fact that the atv voluntary standards right on the cusp I don't think they're there yet of including brake lights and reflectors on atvs Do you think there's anything about including brake lights and reflectors that is going to Um in and of itself encourage drivers to drive on the road You know, this is a complicated issue because as um I discussed with commissioner moho rovick We don't want to increase any sort of Idea that operating on a road is safe. Um on the other hand um reflectors could be And brake lights could prevent accidents across the board. So it's finding that right balance, which is um a real challenge And very significant and overall We do support safety improvements if there's data showing a need for them and obviously encourage You know A lack and a complete prohibition of operating on roads. There's more. I'm running out of time But let me ask you quickly you you um talked about having more stakeholder involvement. Um in your written presentation Um, what do you think we can I mean to be honest with you? I thought we had a huge amount of stakeholder Involvement in this agency, but I'm interested in what you think needs to be changed about our meetings policy to have The stakeholder involvement that you seem to think is lacking Sure, I think there have been times and um commissioner k brought up the fact that Some of these rules that I referenced were several chairmans ago and that's also true Um, but the rule that we go back and use as an example is the 1110 rule And there was universal pushback from industry But it was just unworkable and the agency recognized that pulled back Had some more internal meetings um within the co-ac To talk about the supply chain so the agency could really understand the full supply chain I think meetings like that are really important. Okay. I'm out of time. Thank you Thank you commissioner k Thank you, madam chair. I'm miss mcguigan just speaking of where we left off in terms of the idea of of this type of consultation and I appreciate you Conceding that you're not wedded to a faca that you have a greater goal in mind What is your vision of how open and transparent that process would be because you mentioned having all stakeholders involved Well, again, I'll refer to yesterday. I thought yesterday was a great example. You had consumer advocates. You had um trade associations representing a wide range of manufacturers retailers labs Um, you had ngos So you had a diverse opinion all of which are with a shared common goal of Enhancing the effectiveness of recalls and making sure that defective products are withdrawn quickly One of the things about yesterday that I think we felt a little bit short was that it wasn't as As open as I think it could have been because we did not webcast it We did not record it and we're not posting that on the web I don't know if you're aware of that I realize there are technological challenges associated with that and the way the room was broken out But I think we could have done that Do you support as part of what you're talking about even as we do even more work on recall effectiveness? Having those things webcast having them recorded so others can look back at the sessions and see them who may not have been able To come and participate I actually thought they were being recorded. So Clearly I misunderstood You know, I do think that there is an opportunity There is something to be said of the small groups that you that there was really open and frank conversation That when something is webcast and is recorded There tends to be an Inhibiting factor there Um, so maybe a balance between the two You know where you might have parts of it Again, I'm not wedded to a particular format. I'm just Wetted to the idea of having enhanced engagement. Yeah, we spent a lot of time on it and I'm Commissioner berkel mentioned it in terms of the trusted trader about the unintended consequences and who's left out and There is a subset of the cpsc world or maybe most of cpsc world that can afford to fly in for these things that they can Hire somebody or they can pay attention to the federal register notice And then there's a lot of people that are impacted by what we do That aren't able to do that and they can only watch it on the webcast or only hear about it and watch recording So I think it's a discussion. That's worth continuing to have and I hope you'll support As we strike that balance making sure that it is a broad cross section And it's not just sort of the favorite children who get to come and sit in the room for that Absolutely understand your point And by the way, just as an aside on trusted trader, I think it's worth It might be worth follow-up conversations for you with customs because the the conversations that I've had with CBP at the highest career levels are and this is in my prior capacity was that they definitely wanted us to wait On a trusted trader program because they felt like it was going to interfere with their ability to do Some type of consistent government-wide program. And so that was part of the reason actually why We did back off after commissioner moorovic had gotten it into the operating plan. We started on it I talked to customs at the highest career levels And I think that's important that distinction between the highest career levels versus the highest political levels And uh kevin's still there so and he's the acting I think still and unless he's something Has changed that was their view at the time. So it might be worth follow-up conversations Um, and thank you by the way for your continued engagement. It's not always easy for you, but it's definitely valuable for us I'm as current on the subject of the spandex Testing exemption there might be a disconnect between what you all believe you've submitted and what staff thinks it needs Because after I read your written testimony, I went to staff and I talked to them about it And I think they might need more data So if you're waiting on the staff to act before if something happens You might want to connect with them or have somebody at aFA connect with them and the suggestion that they had was Look at the amount of data that was requested during the 80s whenever the original exemptions were created That's the model that they use that's the robustness of data that they would like to see and I'm not sure they have that yet So just want to point that out And then I miss more I wanted to thank you for the statement that was put out by the toy industry association about fidget spinners I think they're definitely toys and so appreciate that and miss wine trop just in my remaining time One, what do you think about fidget spinners toys not toys? And how do you do fact the agency has been aggressive enough in protecting the public on this issue? Um So full disclosure. I have three children many fidget spinners among them Um, I think they are toys. I see how they interact with them My home is not a laboratory, but I can see how they interact with them. My children are all older than eight years old but I see um How children play with them and they do play and I think um, they need to be considered toys They need to be age-gradured. I also see how they drop them all the time. Um, it's marking my floors It's annoying when we are walking But you see I mean I was in the grocery store with my daughter and the piece fell out So we see the choking hazard emerge and it's very important that consumers have that information If it is age-gradured if it is considered a toy, there will be a label on it that will inform consumers about the hazard. I think um I have seen some good Social media work from the agency in terms of educating consumers About the risk from fidget spinners, but I think there could be more. I think um in the traditional realms of communication there could be more More clear statements coming from the agency about this and I think that would be very helpful because then I think other forms of media Will pick it up and convey it and I think this is one of those opportunities where the product Well, thank goodness. We're not seeing a large number of incidents We are seeing great interest and we don't that want that number to bubble up But I think there would this is an opportunity for media interest So to get those messages out there in even more ways would be very helpful. Great. Thank you Thank you. Commissioner Horovic. Thank you, madam chairman. I didn't have any questions, but now I do On the subject of fidget spinners and uh, miss more and miss wine chop if you could continue with with your thought on Fidget spinners with regards to messaging from the agency. Do you believe that the agency should make a clear Opinion whether it's a general counsel's opinion on how we what we determine these products to be because I think there's Importers or domestic manufacturers that maybe don't know whether or not they have a testing obligation They have a certification obligation as either a toy and or a children's product or a general use product Do you think that kind of messaging should come out from the agency? So regulated parties should understand clearly what their obligations are I do you do miss more and i'm sorry that uh, commissioner k referenced your Statement on fidget spinners and I have not read it. Could you just concisely concisely? Maybe state the point of that of that statement sure Our position is we first educate the industry on what's required to be to sell a toy in the us And then after that we advise parents to follow the age grading labeling on a toy Look for the small parts warning buy from a reputable retailer that you know and trust Check the product. Make sure it's sturdy. So it was more tips for parents and consumers There's more maybe i'm wrong. Was it was it a statement specific to fidget spinners? It was Can you get to the part about fidget spinners as opposed to the other messaging? Well, did you do consider them a toy? We do consider them you do. Thank you. Okay And I don't have any other questions does without without repeating any testimony that was provided orally Does and do any of the panelists have something they'd like to get off their chest before we adjourn? No, mr. Gregg Very well, thank you madam chairman Thank you very much hearing no further questions Again, I want to thank all of you for being here for taking the time and treasure to be here to Let us know your thoughts and what we should be making a priority over the next two years here at the agency Couple mentions were made more than a couple regarding yesterday's workshop on recall effectiveness I just want to thank publicly thank the staff of cpsc because they really did the yeoman's work They were the ones who carried this and who really Made yesterday's workshop a success at the end of the day people were just as enthusiastic Because they were in the beginning of the day so my sincere thanks to staff for all of their hard work on that issue And I also just want to reference another item that was raised That's the rfi and burden reduction the comment period in september 30th. I would encourage all of you who have ideas It's not specifically to any one way whether it's elimination of a rule It's any way that the agency could consider reducing the burdens on industry So we look forward to seeing your comments on that as well As a reminder, I mentioned this earlier today seems like a long time ago The record will be kept open for one week from today So for any information you may want to add to your testimony feel free to do that I also want to acknowledge for the record that we did receive additional written comments from people who are not able to testify here today Pgma the portable generator manufacturers association the international sleep products association Alexiom specialty chemicals and solutions Steven esch the baby carrier industry alliance in the outdoor power Equipment institute a your I just want to assure you your testimony has been received and it is being has been reviewed as well Finally, I want to thank our executive director and her staff the office of secretary office of facilities our general council And of course john magogan from communications for all of their efforts today to make this public hearing happen and always happens So seamlessly thank you again to all of you for being here and As I mentioned at the outset the agency door is always open You do not have to wait for this opportunity, but I would encourage all of our stakeholders to approach the agency And to let us know whether or not you have any thoughts ideas We love solutions so any of those are welcome as well Thank you all very much and this concludes our hearing on priorities at the cpsc. 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So, any product which costs you over $49, you can send without any shipping cost, but products which cost less than this, you need to add another $5 for the shipment. About wafer.co.uk, it's the same, but for products over 40 pounds, you don't have any shipping cost. So, for products over this amount, you don't need to add shipping cost on your eBay listings. The next thing which I want to show you is the sale. You have here the sale tab on wafer.com and on wafer.co.uk. It doesn't matter. Here you can find great prices for products which is amazing for you because you're using monitoring tools. So, you can just upload here products with huge amounts of discount and make much higher profit margins. For example, this product, you can make over 100 pounds only for this discount, which is amazing for us. The next thing is that wafer supports PayPal. If we go here to basket, which is actually our card, we can see here the payment method of PayPal. This is amazing for us as eBay sellers. We can just take the same money from PayPal and pay here without the need of any gift cards or something like this.  So, this is also an amazing thing which we have on this site. So, we have the free shipping, the two days shipping on wafer.com. We have the PayPal option and we have the sale here, which is amazing for us. We also know that we have over 800,000 products on this site, which is very, very, very cool. And the next thing which I want to talk with you is about the break-even. When you walk with wafer.com, I recommend you to add around 5% for a taxes on different states because this is the average of the taxes. So, always add to your break-even around 5% of tax because you will not have it on the price, you just need to add it on the price and this way you will be covered. So, just add another 5% for your prices when you walk with wafer. The other thing here is that we have here also our Chrome extension, which works for both COUK and COM, where you can just grab full pages and get here using this extract button, just get full pages of products and then you can just upload all of these products to AutoDS using bulk uploads. AutoDS supports also variations for these products, for this site and the auto address copy extension. So, using the AutoDS helper you can also go and just add the address using one click from AutoDS to wafer and this is very easy and helpful. The next thing which I want to show you is not to show actually just to talk with you is about the returns policy of wafer. When you walk with wafer, you need to know that wafer doesn't accept free returns and just the customer need to pay the return. So, all what you need to do is to write to your customers when they open a case on eBay, also put it in your policy that the buyer pays the shipment. If the product came damaged, so it can just contact wafer and then we'll get this money back which is very very very helpful and easy. So, if the product is damaged they will just create an exception for you and they will still return the money even for the shipment. So, I hope that this video was helpful for you. Don't forget to subscribe to our YouTube channel and write down in the comments if you have any other questions about this site, about this supplier and I hope that you will make a lot of sales using this site because they have really great products, really great shipment time and also they have expensive products which can bring you a lot of money per sale. See you in the next videos, bye-bye.