and welcome to another exciting episode of Stand the Energy Man. Today's show is all about irony and the role of government in energy and those issues surrounding energy. I've come to this point in my life having served in the government at all levels, from county all the way up to federal, and in all kinds of jobs. And I can appreciate the critical role that the government plays in our lives. But what I find interesting, particularly today, as the world is in the throes of the corona pandemic, is how totally dysfunctional government can be and how totally irrational the typical human being can be when making any sort of decision under stress. I'm not certain that it's all government's fault that we find ourselves this week in the midst of not only one crisis, that being the viral pandemic, but a second crisis completely man-made and potentially more devastating than the coronavirus, and that's the economic crisis. This week is proven that in spite of the best efforts of government to manage a pandemic, that media, all media, social, print, radio, and television can push government and business and their average citizen into a panic mode when there's really no need to panic at all. For the life of me, I have yet to figure out how connection between upper respiratory virus and the psychotic rage to acquire all the toilet paper one can get their hands on, it's just beyond me. I find it troubling that with over 34,000 people a year dying from the flu in the US, a pandemic with a fairly low mortality rate but a highly contagious profile could cause so many people to become so irrational. So this is where we're starting our discussion today. What about the hydrogen pandemic? Actually, I would love to see a hydrogen pandemic. For almost a century, scientists and scholars, inventors and entrepreneurs have been highlighting the advantages of hydrogen over fossil fuels in our country and around the world in the energy sector. But because there's no crisis, because oil was there to solve everyone's energy problems, we've ignored hydrogen for many, many decades. Fast forward to the last part of the 20th century where the world became aware of natural ecosystems and the negative impact of burning carbon base fuels and dumping of pollution into our streams and rivers and oceans. Now, we have a pollution problem that's multiplied by our fossil fuel use. Even though many of these processes weren't tied directly to petroleum and selfish business decisions, few people consider the hydrogen solution even though it was always there. Even though it had been available and apparent for over a century. Hydrogen, it's that simple is the answer. It appears that the eco disasters of the industrial age don't warrant the panic that the coronavirus managed to generate in just a few weeks. It appears that despite the global outcry against greenhouse gases and CO2 emissions that we react to a fossil fuels completely devoid of any sense of urgency that we mindlessly exhibit when we're faced with a fairly benign virus like the coronavirus. So the question of the day is if pollution and climate change can't capture the imagination of the inhabitants of this planet in the way that a second rate virus can, will we ever see hydrogen as a solution to our pollution greenhouse gas energy challenges? My inclination is to think that there is little interest in dethroning carbon-based fuels for clean electric solutions over the existing fossil fuel monopoly. After all, government is set up to take care of big industry and to take care of auto manufacturers and to maintain a growing economy and to disrupt such a system with a hydrogen pandemic strikes our current political elite as dangerous and threatening. But there's a strange irony emerging from the current coronavirus pandemic. And that is that the government isn't always the best solution. And if you involve the true innovators and the visionaries of big business, we could solve many of our planet's ills and even be prepared for future crisis that would make our current coronavirus pandemic look like a child's game. Just like the private sector pulled the CDC's collective rear out of a crack when the coronavirus testing situation arose. So as a military officer and senior national guard leader, I'm familiar with our nation's preparations for large-scale disasters. I'm formally trained in the incident command system utilizing all, utilized by all first responders around the world. And I was one of the first military generals designated and trained to serve as what we called a dual status commander. Without getting into all the legal details, the dual status commander has the legal authority to command title 10, which are active duty and reserve troops and airmen under one command, as well as national guard members across state lines. And in the bigger sense, this means that I wouldn't be able to control over four or five states. All of the active duty, reserves guard and even work very closely with all first responders as an overall incident commander. This may seem totally relevant to the average citizen, but what I'm trying to tell you is, I understand major disasters at a level that few people have ever formally been trained to manage. And the coronavirus is not a major disaster. The seismic and volcanic eruption of Yellowstone would be a major disaster. An earthquake along the rift zone between the Mississippi River and Allegheny Mountains would be a major disaster. Or a flu virus similar to the Spanish flu of the early part of the 20th century, coupled with today's highly mobile society, would be a major disaster. But quite frankly, the one that few people talk about is what we call the EMP or electromagnetic pulse attack. An EMP attack would essentially render everything that's not specifically shielded from an electromagnetic pulse useless. What that means is no cars, except for the ancient ones that didn't have computers in them, no laptops, no cell phones, no computers, no banking, no electric grid, and no manufacturing or business of any kind, including farming, if you have to depend on GPS and things like that for farming. An EMP attack would quickly thrust hundreds of square miles of geography back into the pre-industrial age. Most rural communities could survive at a basic level in spite of the hardships, but most urban and suburban communities would be suddenly thrust into absolute chaos of the worst kind. The good news is that most man-made EMPs are held in check by the fact that our government is prepared to retaliate in a similar manner if we're attacked by someone using EMP. The naturally occurring EMPs from solar flares and even tactical level attacks perpetuated by terrorists which tend to impact much smaller areas will be much more survivable, but still potentially more disruptive than our current coronavirus scenario. So not being one to incite fear without solution, I propose that it's time to start the hydrogen pandemic and build our community, state, and national resiliency against the EMP attacks by designing and building interconnected microgrids that include shielding of critical components from EMP. These microgrids would use hydrogen production and storage to keep our highly dependent energy-based society functioning even under a more robust threat than the one we have facing us today where people are scurrying to stock up on toilet paper. So what I'm gonna do is show you two videos that you may have seen on the show before, but I wanna show you what the systems look like. The first video talks about hydrogen and the reason it has made so much sense over the last century. The second video is based on work that I did with the state of Hawaii and the US Air Force regarding renewable energy microgrids. I hope that these two videos can give you a clear picture of how our country can evolve to survive and even thrive after a significant disruption of our now vital electric energy system. So we're gonna break, show you a couple of videos and then I'm gonna come back with some late-breaking news from the world of hydrogen. My name is Mitch Ewan. I'm from the Hawaii Natural Energy Institute and I'm the host of Hawaii, the state of clean energy. We're on every Wednesday at four o'clock and we hope that we have interesting guests who talk to us about various energy things that are happening in Hawaii all the way from PV to windmills to hydrogen, close to my heart, electric buses and electric vehicles. So please dial in every Wednesday at four o'clock on Hawaii, the state of clean energy, aloha. So the first video is just a little refresher on hydrogen and the systems that we, that have been involved in it for a long time that we're really familiar with, but it's a really good visual reinforcement. If you already know a little bit about hydrogen and it gets you into enough detail that you can understand how we play a role in what we're doing. After that, we'll come up with a second video and I'll talk a little bit about that one before it starts. Hydrogen, the simplest element and also the most abundant. Hydrogen makes up roughly 75% of all mass in the universe. Hydrogen also powers most of the stars in our universe, so it's only fitting that it has come to be recognized as a viable alternative energy source. And we need alternatives because fossil fuels are problematic. They're messy, dirty, expensive to obtain and not secure and they're limited. Hydrogen, on the other hand, is everywhere. Hydrogen can be produced from a wide variety of sources, including water itself, using other renewable energies. That means it's clean, really clean. As a zero emission fuel source, the only byproducts are water, heat and electricity. Easily transported, hydrogen can be stored and distributed on a large scale as either gas or liquid. As a fuel, hydrogen itself is very light. In fact, hydrogen is 472 times more efficient by weight than lead acid batteries. And it isn't just for transportation. Hydrogen can also effectively produce and store energy for power grids. Hydrogen gas is transformed into energy within a fuel cell. As hydrogen passes through a fuel cell, electrons are released and an electrical current is produced and captured for use. Electric vehicle motors powered by hydrogen fuel cells are twice as efficient as gas or diesel engines. They can travel farther distances than lithium batteries, especially in heavy vehicles and can last for decades. Hydrogen powered fuel cells are scalable to buses and commercial fleets such as trucks, trains, ships and aircraft. Fuel cells allow for fast, easy refueling. And hydrogen can be easily adapted to current refueling stations, making it a convenient fuel source for everyone. It is a proven, safe, clean and efficient energy source currently in use worldwide. Hydrogen is everywhere, including our clean energy future. So that gives you a little idea of hydrogen in its basic form, but it's important to recognize that it's not just for transportation. It is also a really critical way that we need to start looking at to store energy on a large scale. And that's for a couple of reasons. The first reason is that if you wanted to store energy at the gigawatt scale, like you will need to do for the electric grid. And Hawaii has, relative to other states, a fairly small electric grid. We're under one gigawatt hour of storage here at any given time right now. But as electric transportation starts to come along as our rail system for the county starts to start running off electricity, that energy requirement will go much, much higher. And other states and other cities like Los Angeles and New York, they're already well past several gigawatts of energy requirements every day. And so when you get to much more than maybe a hundred megawatts of energy storage, you just got to start employing batteries. I mean, hydrogen instead of batteries because batteries are just too expensive. They have to be replaced too often. The technology itself is very expensive and to use batteries for longterm high capacity storage is actually very inefficient because most of the time the batteries are sitting there not doing anything but storing energy that you won't use for a long time. Hydrogen storage is a fraction, minute fraction of what it would cost for a battery storage. So that's your first big reason. And the second one is the transportation side. Can you imagine that if electricity was what ran all of your transportation sector and you could be making your own hydrogen at home off your own solar panels and fueling your vehicles at home with your own electricity and your own hydrogen instead of having to plug into the grid or go to the gas station. And the big side is that the industry itself, the hydrogen industry could start growing and incrementally start replacing fossil fuel industries over time because fossil fuels are gonna be with us for many years to come but we could start making that transition. So the second video gets into more of the grid side of it and gives you that reassurance that we talked about to withstand electromagnetic pulse attacks and it's the model that we think the US should go to starting now and some utilities are actually already doing this. We're trying to get Hawaiian Electric locally to do this as well. So let's look at that second video. There are over 300 million people in our country and the vast majority rely on large scale centralized power grids for their energy. But the infrastructure is aging and it is vulnerable. Natural disasters, cyber attacks and other threats can leave large swaths of the country without power. Fortunately, there is an alternative. A renewable energy microgrid represents a different path for the future. Renewable microgrids generate power from sources like solar, wind, hydrogen, waste to energy and geothermal. That power can be stored within the localized system using technologies such as advanced batteries, hydrogen, flywheels, pumped hydro and others. These microgrids can provide reliable and efficient energy transmission, especially to critical facilities like hospitals, airports and military bases. Unlike our current large scale systems, microgrids eliminate single points of failure and are therefore more resilient to disasters, threats and power outages. Our current energy infrastructure loses a lot of money. Grid outages cost up to $33 billion annually. They are expensive to build, expand and maintain and they're inefficient, losing more than half of the initial energy to factors such as line loss, spending reserves and theft. Microgrids solve these issues and greatly reduce transmission loss and maximize efficiency. They also reduce carbon emissions and eliminated ported fuel costs, keeping money within our local economy and even create new local industries and jobs based on clean renewable energy. Our energy grid was built over 100 years ago. When energy needs were simple with the increased complexities of energy demands, power sources and transportation, now our old grid struggled to keep up. We required new ways to generate, store and deliver energy. Renewable energy microgrids are a potential long-term solution that will provide safe, clean, reliable and efficient energy for generations to come. So much thanks to the State of Hawaii HCAD and the Air Force for producing those two videos. We did that several years ago. Dave Malonero came up with the idea of doing the videos and a local company actually made three videos for us and won one of our local advertising agency awards for their animation. So they're outstanding videos and we've been asked by federal agencies and others if they can use them. And of course we've shared them with them. Some late-breaking news in the hydrogen world though some good news. Last year I talked a little bit about the North Sea wind and how the Scandinavian countries are using North Sea wind, turning it into hydrogen and then moving the hydrogen around the continent in their natural gas pipelines. But I also talked about another really important step forward that has never been done before and Norway is taking the lead on it. And it really relates back here to Hawaii because here on Hawaii we have most of our energy requirements on this island of Oahu but we have most of our renewable energy resources available on the neighbor islands. And the problem is getting that energy from the neighbor islands to Oahu. We've looked at undersea pipelines, we've looked at our cables, we've looked at all kinds of ways and it's not an easy solution. But one easy solution that Norway's figured out is use all that curtail and all that North Sea wind power to make hydrogen, turn it into liquid hydrogen and then ship the liquid hydrogen to where you need it. So what's happening now is around the world places like Japan and even the US Navy have a high demand for liquid hydrogen and we can actually start producing it. Well, guess what? Now we can start moving it in ships. The very first hydrogen, liquid hydrogen ship which I talked about a year ago as being just on the design table has now been built. It's ready, the hull is actually assembled and built. They're gonna be finishing it up this summer and they're gonna start outfitting with all of the cryo cooling equipment, the super cold equipment that they need to keep the hydrogen and liquid state. And what Norway is gonna do is take this ship that's been built by Kawasaki and they're gonna use it to move liquid hydrogen between the mainland of Norway and some of their outlying islands to take those islands off of coal energy production, coal electric production.  They're gonna use liquid hydrogen and fuel cells to produce all the power they need and they'll do it all with renewable energy, mostly North Sea wind. So that's huge news. Some other really big news that I was just made aware of this week is I've had a guest on my show twice, gentleman by the name of Trevor Milton. He's the CEO and founder of Nicola Motors and they have a fantastic long-haul 18-wheeler truck that runs on hydrogen. Actually have several products. If you go on their website, Nicola Motors, you can see all the stuff they've made but they have a truck design to do long-haul cross-the-continent type trucking. And this is really critical because what's different about them is they didn't just design a truck and try and sell it. They designed the truck. They designed the network of fueling stations across the country and they decided to build all of it, to build the refueling stations and the trucks and to lease them. And even at today's diesel prices, his system can save most trucking companies $5,000 a month by using his hydrogen system and leasing his trucks instead of using diesel trucks. They're much more accommodating for like a pony express type of things where you put two drivers in a truck, let them switch off and go all the way across country nonstop. And the hydrogen that they use is all gonna be made or most of it's gonna be made from solar and other renewables including hydroelectric and they'll be trying to do this on a massive scale. And everybody goes, that's great Stan but how do you afford it? Well, they've raised so much capital that they've had a venture capital company match their capital. And I believe it was around $500 million that they raised it might be even be more than that that then they've had initial orders where they were getting so much cash coming in on the deposits that they quit taking deposits. They have an order for it's between five and 800 of these trucks from Budweiser. They have similar orders from other large companies. And they said that pretty soon they're gonna be announcing more orders that exceed the Budweiser order by another magnitude and they've got the funding to go along with expanding their system. So these guys are on a hot track. They're being interviewed. I can't get them on my show anymore because they're being interviewed by Fox Business News and Bloomberg and all the big business companies that have them on talking about their company going public. And it's an amazing, amazing truck and amazing system. So look on the website for Nikola Motors and check it out and listen to them talk Trevor Milton often just does a discussion. He knows his product inside and out. His dad was in the railroad business and he used to be fascinated by big trains and big trucks. And this was his dream and he's making it come true. That's important because the two big movers in the US that keep us on the industrial cutting edge are large trains and long haul trucking. And Trevor has both of those systems wired in his head. It wouldn't surprise me if Trevor Milton started building locomotives that run on hydrogen pretty soon once he gets his truck stuff rolling and has people taking care of that so he can expand his operations. So that's gonna do it this week for Stanley Energy Man and All Things Hydrogen and All Things Energy.  You can still drink Corona beer safely. I guarantee you and in fact, I'll probably go have one just to celebrate. And think about stuff, be safe, be cautious, use the guidelines that are being issued by the government. But for heaven's sakes, you don't need 15 dozen rolls of paper towels and toilet paper to last you or like, we talked about in the studio here, 20 gallons of milk that's gonna spoil before you can drink it. Let's be reasonable, no hoarding, no silliness. Just use the social distancing and keep your head on your shoulders. Don't wipe your face with your hands after you've been handling all kinds of stuff touched by other people. And get better, stay safe, and we'll see you next Tuesday from the Big Islands, from Stanley Energy Man. So until then, aloha.


Welcome to the Premier League show here on Toffy TV. It's hotten up at the top in the race for the Premier League. Liverpool and City both in action on Saturday. Liverpool was the early game. It looked a tricky one on paper. Newcastle have been doing well of late. Liverpool have been doing well of being at Champions League and stuff like that. But went there and won by a single goal. Some people thought it was a foul by James Milner. But when you watch that again he got the ball first. Liverpool won the game with Naby Keitha goal. And then later on Manchester City went to Leeds and again some people have said this is a real tough game for City and they blew them away with a 4-0 win to keep it really tight at the top. There's been a lot of talk obviously because it's these two again and obviously the Champions League and all of that. Recording this before City played a second leg of the Champions League at Real Madrid. And there's been talk about whether Pep Guardiola needs to win the Champions League for people to really say that he's been a success in England. I find bizarre because he's sitting being unbelievable since he's been here. That discussion has took place on this week's last fan stand. So have a look at that. By his own high standards, Pep's mortified that he's not won the Champions League and I think he's actually deep down really gutted that the fans don't care. I think he loves the Champions League. I was at the manager's award a few years ago and he had their four trophies or whatever but he had the European Cup and there was a real feeling of like that's the trophy that he's missed out on. He loves the European Cup. He knows that that's the one. That's how you cement yourself as a true managerial great. You can be a great at a club and you can be good in a domestic league but if you want to be counters the all-time great then you need to try and rack up major European honours and so by his own high standards if he doesn't deliver it at his time at Man City then he will feel as though he's failed and he should do. That's what Paul thinks about the situation with Guardiola. What are your views on it? I think he's been fantastic since he came here. He'll want that one won. He's obviously got a couple of bars along there. Never got one of Bayern Munich which I think probably pained them. He'll want one at Man City and I think Man City need that Champions League to confirm or to put them in that upper echel I think you've got to if you want to be classed as one of the top clubs I think you do need that Champions League I think you do need to be able to say that you've done it when the clubs are at highest and it's where Manchester City are right now so obviously the best period of their history and you know we've seen that with Chelsea Chelsea you know for a very long time we looked upon as the upstarts you know the new money and that kind of thing and they've won a couple of Champions Leagues now obviously the reigning holders and when they got that first one I think it just said to everybody that they were they did mean business they were there to stick around they were going to be in the Champions League every year it's something that I think you look at them like Arsenal I think you see the difference Arsenal had that spell under Arsenal venga and never got the Champions League obviously Arsenal would have beat them I think then obviously they've dripped it out to Champions League competition they're trying to get back in it this season but by not winning that Champions League they're never ever classed as just one of those proper upper echelon teams where Chelsea are and I just think that Pep Guardiola obviously has had all the resources has got a fantastic team beaten finalist last year they have to go and get it and maybe you know maybe the fact that they have been beaten in a final is that little thing and we've seen this with Paris on German as well these new teams, this new money you're just not given that you're not part of the royalty of European football without winning one so for Pep Guardiola the pressure is on him and I don't think he'll ever feel like he's quite fulfilled the potential of Manchester City until he gets one until he gets a Champions League but he's lost he's lost with Dortmund and he's lost the first one with Liverpool did nobody shed in that Real Madrid one even though they hate it kind of give them that experience to when they got there again to go one better next time do you think Manchester City can take that from getting there last year because obviously each year under Pep they've kind of gone a little bit further it is all about it's all about experience it's all about being there year after year again go back to what I said about Arsenal we're in it for 20 years but I only ever got to one final for a club that had been winning Premier League you'd expect a lot more you look at Manchester City and they got three three finals I think under Sir Alex didn't he and I think they won two with them so their ratio was one one lost two didn't he no one two lost lost the Barcelona twice beat Chelsea and obviously beat Bayern Munich so I forgot a four and that shows you know the winter you lose to that's not you know if you're a that's that's you know you look at you look at Liverpool they got people by Real Madrid and then bounce back against Spades and money you know a couple of years on the day again so that's the levels you have to get to Manchester City you have to have to be in there and you know if Pep if Pep never gets one then he'll probably think himself he's a failure because his standards are so high he's done I mean he has done domestically he's done unbelievable with City brilliant he won the league most he is the one FA cup league cups but but then you have to start judging yourself don't you at that higher level you have to say well for Manchester City and Liverpool at the moment they're so good there's basically nothing between them in the last few years so it can be the it's it's thick as a piece of paper between them so if you're going to define yourself as a club you've got to look past the Premier League and look at you know because look at someone like Bayern Munich they win their league every year but they've only won like one Champions League in God knows how long so for Manchester City and Liverpool they're always going to be battling out so it will be for the next few years so I'll define themselves if that next level is the Champions League and that's what Pep Guard has got to do with me this year please I mean obviously Liverpool are there in City tough game at Real Madrid but I think City can go there and win he got four at Leeds like I said at the weekend Rodriachy Gabriel Hussius and Fernandinho they've been tough now both of them have tough looking games on paper Liverpool have got spares I look at like I think Manchester City have got to go to West Ham but who knows could it be that when we get to the FA Cup weekend with Liverpool not playing will that be the weekend sort of where they get that little bit of City get that little bit of daylight because of it and Liverpool playing catch they're going to be interested I think that I can see both of them winning every game to be honest to the end of the season but that again if it went like that we'll put a point between them again which shows you the excellence of the two of them both phenomenal the boats went the what Liverpool 16 points at Edith Chelsea City 17 points at Edith Chelsea phenomenal they're just brilliant aren't they so yeah it'll be interesting I mean will can he can he take a bit of revenge from losing obviously the FA Cup semi to Liverpool have them in the Champions League final he wouldn't care less if he I don't think he did care less we wanted that little bit extra a costume on the day but of course he's thinking about the bigger picture and the bigger picture is the Premier League and Champions League and we'll see what happens very interesting yeah so them two remain at the top just a point between them which is incredible at the other end obviously the relegation battle is still going on still keying on Saturday Norwich City were relegated they lost 2-0 last in Ville don't know right for a while but Ville made the breakthrough Wally Watkins just before our time and then it wasn't until Danny Ings in injury time give them the win some Norwich were relegated Burnley watched an hour edition Wofford went on top Burnley were much better second half and they ended up scoring twice in the last 7 minutes to win the game and give themselves a huge huge boost in the relegation battle and put themselves 5 points ahead of Evan and Wofford were basically relegated with that defeat even though it wasn't mathematically at the moment it wasn't losing the home to Burnley with tough games to come they had gone as well but Burnley had been unbelievable really having these shacks on dice after Norwich beat them it all seemed a bit rushed the way it was and Mike Jackson has come in and they've had 3 wins in a draw 10 points and 12 unbelievable when you looked at them they didn't look like they had that in them sadly they did unbelievable no, they have done incredibly well to come from behind at the weekend 7 cents a mid scorn as well kept going obviously they knew the need of it and they've got themselves they've got them and they'll be flying with confidence they'll be thinking they can win every single game so it's done unbelievable well when a lot of people at Burnley fans thought that was it where it's fans looked at it and went oh god because you just think that changed that could be the thing it's put them in a really good position lots of confidence playing a slightly different way and yeah they're getting the reward so it's not great for us but they're doing what they have to do and they're in the box seat they've got to ask them willer a home this weekend if Burnley were to win they'd be three points behind Willer and they've got to play them again and they've got to play them again very very interesting obviously on to Sunday Everton then started the day because of Leeds getting beat for now by City Everton started the day five points adrift of both Leeds and Burnley a home to European champions Welsh champions and Julie turned up a huge huge win under pressure not a clean sheet of good enough three in the last four 10 points from 12 from the last four home games so Everton have picked up the pop points on the board as well of Leeds haven't they and we were sat there the other week saying could be like 34 points keeps you up or whatever and Everton are on 32 and there's no chance 34 is keeping you up I don't know why we thought that because every year you just don't expect towards the end of the season when the pressure is on them to win and they've got to find something while other teams haven't got something to play for we mentioned that last week talking about the teams in the middle of the table not having something to play for and Everton's needs was more than Chelsea's and even though Chelsea did all right and had chances obviously and Jordan picked my great saves haven't got the breakthrough and managed with the help of the crowd and players giving absolutely everything managed to get the three points Everton just have to keep that going but the likes of Bay and Neill keep that going we've mentioned the Leeds game with Manchester City that dragged Leeds right back into it both obviously Bay and Leeds and I've got two points above Everton but I've obviously got the game in hand so it really is looking like it's going to come down to the wire which I'm not sure physically how much I can take of that but it really does look like again it's very much like the top it's you know it's who makes that mistake and I know there's probably more mistakes will be made obviously by Bay and the Leeds in Everton but it really is getting down to the wire Everton's win basically relegated mewn Wofford 12 points behind Leeds and Burnley and I've got a waste goal difference 20 goals wasted Burnley 4 Wofford of relegated 10 points behind so they'll go this weekend obviously if Palace get the result and that'll be interesting going into the Everton game because there's one or the other isn't it you're either free and you play well or you're down and you're not arston you end up losing hopefully it's the latter for us dead interesting Brentford and Shaltanton on 40 points Everton have got two games in hand on them and they looked way out of sight and I'm not saying they're not out of sight but there's been some discussion about Shaltanton because they've got three games left they will lose because Liverpool I expect to win every game and they're away at Brentford at the weekend and they go to Leicester last day that's interesting isn't it and when they were purely safe the other because they were on a brilliant run they might just benefit from if Leicester get to the conference but that's the last game you always want to win that last on but if you've got it no that's interesting but Sunday so Chelsea there in third place I've still got that buffer but we then saw Spairs were playing Leicester at the same time Spairs beat Leicester 3-1 Kane and Sun, what a surprise when a clip we talked about them last week because Spairs had had a couple of games that they hadn't been able to score come back at the weekend and obviously they were back on form and they got the goals in the attitude and obviously Leicester was a played Roman on the Thursday they were all right Leicester but Spairs put their chances away Leicester had nothing for them Leicester had 61% no that's what I'm saying they played the way they normally play but when it's a case of when you play against Leicester which you haven't found this weekend they probably whatever team they put out you just have to take your time and take your chances when they come along so they won 3-1 Spairs to put them back above Arsenal by a point and then Arsenal went to West Ham in what looked a real tough game but West Ham were very much in a similar position but they were in a similar position they had obviously the game they had lost their home had me in the first leg but even so Arsenal took the lead Rob Holding, Jared Bowman equalised on half time and it was Gabrielle with the winner there was a bit of a moment down in this one I thought it was a very contentious moment because I think he was booked for diving the West Ham Fabianski had come out he gets out of it's a funny one this because Bowman gets done for diving but if Bowman doesn't get out sorry, Ramstail Ramstail flies out Ramstail comes out but if Bowman doesn't get out of the way of him Ramstail bakes his leg it's like a straight leg I just found there a very interesting moment about how referees understand the game again if you watch it if Bowman doesn't get out of the way of Ramstail he's going to break his leg so how it's a Diving to avoid contract not diving to win a penalty but if you watch it if Ramstail touches him he's going to really say that he hates him Bowman gets up and says what did you want me to do and I find I just thought with all the stuff that's gone on obviously Anthony Gordon and stuff I thought it was a very interesting moment in the game could be hugely pivotal because we've seen this before where people have been done for files where there hasn't been contact but if you haven't got out of the way you're the brokers there I just thought it was a very interesting moment in how sometimes football is perceived and how diving is perceived and when things are in the media and referees are like I've got to watch their shoulders because last week someone gave a yellow card for diving and this week I just thought that was a very interesting moment because as I say Ramstail could have broke his leg so big moments in the game big win for Arsenal West Ham had more possession Arsenal had more shots and back third and the interesting thing is if you're going to question me I'm going to question you I was going to say the interesting thing is with Everton beating Chelsea there's only three points between Arsenal and Chelsea well it's a big weekend because obviously Arsenal have got leads and Spades have got Liverpool away Liverpool need to win Chelsea have got Wolves at home I'm not being funny Wolves have got the flip so far on the beach and the manager said last week he said I'm glad the fans booed him obviously Wolves played Wolves got the three in the line three in the line by Brighton in a matthewan Brighton don't score goals and he missed the penalty Brighton as well he missed one on that thing and then scored and the the fans deserved to booed him and he was glad he did because he was so bad so they've got the flipflops on and Arsenal they've got their place that would be very interesting they scored 34 goals and 34 games Wolves we always knew that it was always going to be they don't score many goals it was always going to be the fact they were going to keep the clean sheets in the last few weeks they got beat by Burnley and then the weekend so it's madder isn't it Brighton a ninth won one more game in Everton it's those defeats when you look through Everton have won the shame on the games of Crystal Palace Sheldampton won more than Burnley leads Warford Norwich and obviously the weekend was capped off by Manchester United playing Bremford but we didn't drop our Palace Palace won 3-1 at Sheldampton which is poor Sheldampton a little bit of a predicament we were winning 1-0 with Romayou against Burnley made sure he scored this one for an hour and then as he equalised on the hour on Wolves are hard to give Palace a good good away win they've had a little slow down a little bit of late that sucked them to 41 points they needed that win especially with Burnley winning and with obviously Everton winning because there would have only been 4 points with them they won 9 games it's against the defeats 14 draws through 11 Palace that's what it is and then you're right on Monday night was Manchester United's final home game it seems like we've got loads left loads of games left and they played their final home game because they must have been due to play on Cup Final day or they think they were supposed to play Chelsea on Cup Final day and they took it to last weekend before that so this game was their last home game it was their 36th game this season having to play 33 which is mad 3 games in London United but it was 3 in Elbrino Fernandez Cristiano Ronaldo and Raphael Varan in a 3-0 win Ralph Ragnac's last home game as Manchester United manager Jesse Lingard's brother posted the thing that thing basically saying what a disgrace basically giving his entire football and life to Manchester United and there was absolutely no send-off for him at all that definitely not staying what do you think you're going to castle? 30 isn't he? be perfect for him maybe we're standing on the ground seeing some stuff said he might go abroad got a few offers he might want to try something different maybe maybe he ended up at West Amor in Newcastle 3-0 Brentford you've had a great season 40 points at the moment they will they should be fine we saw him before we're evident two wins and two draws we're going to get them you've got it and it's rather after 40 points but Brentford can put their woes to bed by beating Sheldampton at the weekend and they've also got leads at home last day haven't they had they'll win the next two Brentford will win them but good win for United which it doesn't really do anything does it for them in terms of it just keeps them in the top six West Am six points behind them with the game in hand but I think they don't for Arsenal that can't they basically need United can only get 64 so Arsenal get another point they've got a better goal difference then United can't catch them either it'll be interesting United have lost 10 games this season so the European race I think Wolves three points behind West Am because West Am a lot depends on this week with the West Am get to the final and obviously for them if they get to the final the Europa League can win it they'll get a Champions League place can you see them winning in Frankfurt? I can't but you never know I really think they were going to win in Lyon and they won 3-0 so it's not over by any stretch and obviously we've also got Leicester going for their 6-1-1 and they're going to Rome on Thursday so good luck to them hopefully they get through I'd love them to get through and then play all the kids on Sunday and throw the game, be lovely yeah so we look at the league man city we'll have a look at the league table to finish City, Tot from Liverpool by a single point 83-82 from 34 games Chelsea in third on 66 and because Arsenal now are really breathing down the neck Spears Spears of course do play Arsenal as well let me just say for the league if Spears I think for the best thing for the league would be Spears beating Liverpool and setting up that like Champions League play-off and setting up that Champions League play-off on Thursday I think it is I think so because Liverpool have got, they've already won a trophy they probably don't need another one really they're an FA Cup fan they probably beat Chelsea Liverpool don't need a Champions League or a league title this year don't want to take it, if they do it all this year what's the point you might as well give up football you've completed it haven't you there's no point of even doing it anymore so for Liverpool you've got to have something to aim for so it could be to be honest in that race it could be a pivotal weekend because I expect Arsenal to beat Leeds because I think they'll be looking to hammer home this thing and I expect Liverpool to beat Spears so by Sunday it could be a 5 point gap with three games to play so Spears Arsenal on the Thursday it'd be huge that, huge game so Spears are going to have to go to Manfield and hope that concierge on it because they've got a worse record than ever that Manfield's talking about it's terrible so concierge the clock can we help Foxham we'll see so dead interesting still stuff still with a few games left so there you go let us know what you think in the comments section below who's going to win it, who's going down what about Pep Guardiola what's your views on him, would he be seen as a I wouldn't say failure because he's delivered so many trophies but would it be like he hasn't actually put it best before has he not fulfilled his potential if City don't win a Champions League let us know what you think check out the rest of the last fan standing video in the description go over there give it a like, give it a comment make sure you subscribe to us thanks for watching we'll see you next week


If we look at the pattern in Scripture, we see that God does not anoint the lazy. You have to be doing something. Now I'm not saying that you have to be perfect. I'm not saying that there can't be a struggle with laziness or maybe a struggle with the lack of zeal. I'm saying that if we live the lifestyle of laziness, doing nothing ever, and we never get moving, we never are obedient, we never fulfill the instructions that God has given to us, then we make it very difficult to see the calling fulfilled in our lives. God does not anoint the lazy. When God calls someone, he looks for someone who is diligent.


We must stand firm and use our influence with the Word of God in a day when our culture is set against us. While Seth and Nerva Ready began their journeys in different musical circles, Nerva with Toby Mack and Seth with Kirk Franklin. It wasn't long before their paths began to cross. Since then, the beloved husband and wife have been on a mission with their new music, One Voice, to call us back to a unity founded in Christ. Instead of the divisions our society is experiencing, they hope to point people in the only direction where real solutions can be found, the way of Christ. This is their story. This is today's Nashville. This is faith. Seth and Nerva, I am so excited that you have joined me on today's Nashville. I've been wanting you for a long time. Welcome. Thank you, Terry. It's good to be here. Yeah, thanks so much for having us. You guys have been busy, haven't you? We've been doing life. It's been good. Yep. I'm complaining full, rich, but good times. Yeah. It's been good. Well, tell me how it all started. You have both had music careers, different music careers, and I love how God crossed your paths. Yeah. So let's talk about it. Well, we sort of met doing background vocals. We kind of made careers out of singing background vocals for professional Christian artists. And who are they? So I was with Toby Mack, and he was with Kirk Franklin, and we met backstage at a Billy Graham Crusade. So that's when we came in. Oh, that's wonderful. And his last ones. Yeah. Well, what was it like touring? You were with Toby Mack? Why, eight years? Oh, much longer time. 17 years. 17 years. And I'm not going to lie. It was a blast. It was so much fun. Something that I dreamt of, but I didn't have enough sense to pray for that specific kind of prayer. And God just blessed me with it. We traveled the country and parts of the world. Well, how did you even meet him? You're from Chicago, right? Yes, grew up in Chicago and then went to college in Nashville. Stayed there for years just in the music scene, just waiting for God to open doors. But I was traveling home from, I think, North Carolina one weekend. And before the flight took off, I got up and moved to a window seat. And it was Toby Mack's seat. And I was familiar with DC Talk at the time, but I never met Toby. His singer had just quit that very weekend and was looking for someone to fill the spot. And there I was, and I auditioned and got the gig. So you sat right next to him? No, she stole his seat. She stole his seat. Yeah. And went back to my original seat after he walked up. But later on, a manager introduced us. So how did he even know you were a singer then? You know, there was a team I was traveling with, and his manager must have had a conversation on the flight with one of our team. I was traveling with Joyce Meyer in ministry at the time. Somehow was introduced to him on the flight and that's when the manager said, we're looking for a singer, would you be interested in auditioning? I was like, sure, I'll check out this Toby Mack guy. I'm not sure, but I'll look into it. You didn't know who he was though, right? I didn't know specifically. I knew DC Talk, but I had never met him individually. So I got to know who he was a little bit after that. So blessed. She didn't grow up like huge CCM atmosphere. No, I wasn't as huge as more gospel music. Not necessarily CCM. So she said the first, actually, I'm sorry. Yeah, go ahead. The first time she jumped, like, got on stage with him, it was at lineup fast when it was huge, and she was like, who is this guy?  What has happened to him? He's a big deal. So, yeah, it's really funny that I got the gig because he was taking a chance on me. I hadn't done a ton of music. I'd done a lot of background singing in the studio, but he was just so gracious in walking me through and helping me to just learn the ropes of tour life and travel, and it was just a blast. You were here in Nashville for 18 years? Oh, let's see. Yes, 18 plus years. Traveling the world. Traveling the world. And you, at the same time, were with Kurt Franklin? Yeah, probably just a little bit after she started. It was crazy. I lived middle of nowhere, didn't know anybody. Where are you from? Central Florida, a little town called Aubrandale. Chicago, Florida. Yeah, man. Just, you know, match made in heaven. But yeah, I was in Central Florida. I was actually in college. I was a math major just, but I loved music and I recorded a demo with a guy, and it got passed to a guy who passed it to Kurt Franklin. And he needed a guy like last minute for tour. And I was a huge gospel music fan, huge Kurt Franklin fan. So when I got the call to travel, I was like, I got to do this. So I left after my junior year and just to... Junior year in college? Yeah, in college and went to Dallas. I lived with Tony Evans family for a couple months while I rehearsed for the tour. Then it was like a whole new life started. Now, how long were you with him? About three or four years. Three or four years. And from him, I met other gospel artists and started traveling with them. So it's kind of just a huge door opener for me. Okay, the big question is how did you all meet through all this? Yeah, so there's some discrepancies in the story, but I'll give you the true version. She'll give you the apocryphal version. Yeah, so basically, she said we met quickly at Billy Graham Crusade backstage. She doesn't remember meeting me there. We met again at House of Blues when Toby and Kurt did a tour together that I didn't go on. And I met her backstage. She doesn't remember meeting me there either. I don't. But that's when it started for me. I was like, I got the googly eyes on that time meeting her. So sometimes I say love at second sight for me and love at 554th sight for her. But I wore her down. We became friends. We started getting hired to sing together background vocals and Nashville and stuff. And so we became friends. And yeah, I just, I passed through the friend zone. She stiff armed me for a while, but I made it through, made it through. And finally we started kind of dating. It was a quick dating, quick, you know, engagement seven months. Seven months we got married. You know, when we first married, we were kind of doing tour life apart. And we prayed that God would kind of allow us to work more so together. And that began to happen. I think we moved to Florida from Nashville and he had taken a position at his alma mater Southeastern University as a director of worship. We started working with the children there on some music. Children, students. They were like children. Yeah, they were like children. And so after that we moved on to do some young adult ministry. And then we were contacted by Integrity Music to do a project with them, to sign with them. And that was a blessing, a dream come true. And from there we started doing ministry together. And we had moved to Florida. We were living in Florida at that time. And yeah, they met us in Florida, talked with us a little bit. And we did a project with Integrity Music. That began to open doors for us to travel more so together. Yeah, a lot of times we were in Nashville for a while, but we didn't do music together when we were in Nashville. It was kind of after we left that God began to open those doors, which is kind of unique. But yeah, we were based out of Florida and we did young adult ministry there for like three years. And that just became part of the overall thing that we felt like God was doing was shaping us and shaping our music in a different way. And kind of giving us a specific mission with it that we probably wouldn't have had had we not gone through that whole process of working at a university in a young adult ministry. Yeah, God began to crystallize the passion behind the music or just the, we noticed that working with the college students that they had certain questions, certain fears, certain things that they were dealing with. And that became one of the focuses of our message is just helping young people and Christians at large just develop a Christian understanding of things that they were walking through, things they were facing in life, things that they might have seen in culture. And that's a passion that Seth has always had too because he's his testimony he will share. Just sometimes life hits and the enemy wants to come in and try to interpret those events and that may cause you to kind of rethink your Christian faith but we all need guides to help us, to help us point us in the right direction to find some answers. And so God was birthing some of those things in us and developing a heart for ministry and alongside the music which was kind of worship focused at the time.  Yeah, for me, you know, I didn't thankfully grow up in a Christian home. I had, you know, parents, not perfect but very dedicated to their walk with the Lord and they raised me up in that way and so at the age of six, I think it wasn't a one as meeting or something, I raised my hand to get saved, you know. And I really did have, like even in the young age, I had a desire to follow the Lord. I mean, I was a normal knucklehead of kid like the rest but I had a desire to follow the Lord and he, you know, walked with him. When I got in youth group, probably about 15, I really got serious about my faith. Had a great youth pastor who became a best friend eventually but about that same time when I got serious, I began to be plagued by intellectual doubts and, you know, I think I remember just having, you know, the basic questions that you have, like how do I know Christianity is true? What if I was born in a Muslim country? Would I be Muslim? You know, those kinds of basic things. Unfortunately at the time, while my church background was great, it wasn't as equipped in that area and I think it was before, like, people really knew the effects that public school could have on you. We tended to think it was just neutral, you know, they're teaching math, science, English and that's world-viewishly neutral. But it really wasn't, you know, it was, it had secular presuppositions running through it that were forming my mind all the time, often without me even knowing it. And one example I give is, you know, the idea that the only way you can know things is through science. It's an epistemological view called scientism. And I didn't realize I was being taught that in my biology classes that, you know, they would say things like, well, religious people used to believe this about the Earth's beginnings, but now we know through science. So it put this dichotomy in my mind between, well, we have faith in Christianity but we have knowledge in science. So those kinds of things set me on a trajectory of really wrestling with the faith for like 15 years, even into our marriage where I was in ministry and I loved the Lord and I wanted to believe it but there were times I was like, man, I don't know if this is true. I don't know that I can believe it anymore. And I was reading and reading and, you know, I'd read a book and I'd be confident for a minute but then another thought would come and I had to read another book. I'd listen to another lecture. But anyways, to make a long story short, looking back on that time, that was really what God used in many dark nights of the soul and times I thought, you know, I don't think I have much faith left. I'm hanging by a thread here. But it was like He would give me the right person at the right time to come in my life, the right mentor, the right book. And as long as I kept going in that direction as hard as it was, He would meet me there. And looking back, like when we began to do Young Adult Ministry, I can see how purposeful it was that even though it was a painful process, He brought me to a place where I could confidently say, Christianity is something that can not only, it's not only that we believe it to be true, we can know it to be true, we can have our confidence in it. And actually, when it comes to reason and logic, and I've done, I mean, hours and hours and hours of studying all sorts of different worldviews and religions, and it is the one perspective that I think is the most intellectually satisfying and stands on the shoulders of giants. And at this point, I'm thankful for that process having gone through that as tough as it was. I can say, man, I really know who has called me and He's been there with me. I've experienced Him. And it's like C.S. Lewis said, I know Christianity is true not only because I see it, but like the Son, by it, I see everything. It makes sense of everything we experience in life. And so that's my little testimony. What about you, Nerva? How did that, with your testimony and your faith and how that kind of was in your marriage, and how did that affect you? I could say that, you know, Seth has challenged me over the years not to just know what I believe, but how and why I believe it. And so my testimony is a little bit more. I didn't grow up in a Christian home, but South Side of Chicago was tough. So growing up in that environment was just challenging as a young person. Going off to college, I got born again. I found a Lord, a friend walked me into a relationship with Jesus. But from there, just struggling to still find meaning and purpose. So it's the process of discipleship. And I finally landed at a church that brought that into my life to smooth out all of my rough edges. By that point, I might have developed a habit of finding meaning in the wrong places to relationships. The performing and singing, and that just was a cycle of defeat that God began to just re-transform my mind and understanding why I'm here and what's my purpose in life. Well, tell me too how your music came together and how old were you both when you started your music careers? Were you young? Oh, gosh. I was in, let's see, maybe I started singing along to the radio as a child. But in high school, I joined the choirs and through the local talent shows. And then when I went off to college in Nashville, Tennessee, a school called Fisk University, I majored in music. And so slowly but surely after that God began to open doors. So I would say that process from my teens up until now just pursuing music, wanting to make a career. Back then, I didn't know you could actually make a career out of music. You dream about being the next so-and-so, but God's been so faithful and so good. What about you, Sam? Yeah, I mean, sometimes I tell these students that we worked with, like, man, when we were young, YouTube didn't exist. Yeah. There was no take-talk. In fact, American Idol wasn't around. Yeah. So it's like, you didn't know that you could do this back then. It was like, even when I talked to my dad about doing music, he was like, well, you better do something. You can get a job then, boy. Yeah. And there's wisdom to that. So I majored in math instead of music because I didn't think there was a potential for that. You know, somehow it was one of those really supernatural movements of God where you just, you can't explain it. It was nothing I did. It was not my genius or nothing I put out there, but he just opened that door with Kurt. So I really went, literally went from zero to like a world traveling, world stage kind of thing, meeting my heroes. And so it was just that crazy. And then so when I met her, by that point, we learned a lot from these guys. We both learned a lot from the best. You know, just sitting behind them, watching them do it, watching them create in the studio, watching them come up with live shows. So when we began to do stuff together, it wasn't that much of a stretch for us. It was kind of just in us, you know? So we were like, man, I guess we did learn some of this stuff over time, whether it's... It's a lot harder on your own. A lot harder. But richer, too. Yeah, yeah. We said we went from the cruise to the canoe. Right. That's true that the difference in combination. That was it. And then you have to...  So we do have our own, you know, our own journeys in what God has put in us and brought in us. Kirk has his thing. Toby has his thing. But for us, it was like, man, we feel like part of our thing is to push back the darkness and use our music as a tool and a weapon to do that and really just make some stances and kind of, you know, whether it's worship music or just like current music to do our best to take that into these kind of spaces and use it for the message. And your message is unity. And I love that. And we're going to talk about that when we get back. You were talking about how your music has come together and how God is using you and your ministry. And would you sing, you know, part of a song for me? Okay. So this song is called Armour in the verse goes, When the playground becomes a battleground Draw strength Every soldier takes up weapons in war You'll be able to stop the fiery darts that come Put on the whole armor Draw strength from your father You'll find you'll be strong Oh, it's beautiful. It's beautiful. And this is a new project you're working on. Yes, it's out. It's called On Earth. And it comes from the prayer where the scripture says, Let your kingdom come. Let it will be done on earth as it is in heaven. And it's just a collection of songs that God had kind of birthed in us during, it started during the pandemic. Some things that we were praying about that we were seeing out in culture and we were like, you know, messages we were hearing that God wanted to do in the earth and we would just kind of come up with songs from that place. What do you think about what's going on in the inner culture? Yes. Let's talk about it. Wow, that's a thing right there. That's a good question. You know, we, so coming from like the journey that I took in my own faith that really, I thank God, like, he taught me how to be a thinker. Like, it was my pursuit of the kingdom that made me learn about words and ideologies. So I feel like in a way he gave me a head start where I wasn't looking for it, but when all the craziness began to go on, it was sort of like he had already given me equipment to see through it. And so part of it is like you would see some of the stuff happening and people would respond. And I began to see, to look past that and say, man, who is concocting these narratives? Like, and what is the, what is the purpose behind it? So I think, you know, I'll try to make this really long thing really short, but we began to see this thing called woke ideology come through. Now I had studied postmodernism, but I hadn't seen how it was being utilized to pick up on past racial injustices to bring about a narrative that was actually false in the present. And so once I began to read some of the books by some of these thinkers, I was like, oh man, he's actually, he's using truth differently here. He's using knowledge. He's redefining racism. He's redefining white supremacy, all this kind of stuff. So as our eyes began to be open to these tactics, when something major would come along and the news would start interpreting it, we saw where the falsehoods were. So you had to kind of like, you had to like practice biblical discernment and say, what does the Bible have to say about these issues? And then who can I trust to tell me what's actually going on?  Tell me the name of your podcast. Yeah, it's called the Fremont podcast.  So we try to ask like, man, who is telling the story and what is their motivation? What is the evidence they're presenting for that? How do we as Christians learn more clearly and carefully? And that's why we wanted to write that music in that as well, because like, Christianity isn't to be pushed to the side in this kind of like marginal place. It's Christ is king. Like, he's lord over everything. So when you're talking about whether it's the area of legality and laws, justice, what is the nature of justice, or what is education, all these things, like Christ is king over those things. He's not outside of that. And so we try to do our best to say, okay, what does he have to say about these issues and how do we respond on that basis? Anything to add to that, baby? Yeah, and to encourage those that do find the truth to be a signpost for others, you know, because the thing that's heartbreaking is to see when your fellow family members or church members or pastors fall prey to the false ideologies because it's very popular. It's prevalent. It's ubiquitous. It's everywhere, but it's not really truth or it's not biblical, but yet it's seeping into the church and then you feel like they call it virtue signaling, where you just do it because it's from culture's eyes the right thing to do but it's antithetical to the scripture. So like he said, it takes discernment. It takes a little bit of knowledge of history, a little bit of knowledge of, okay, what is popular?  Who is facilitating and pushing these things? So we've got to be a little bit more sharper than I think. It's amazing what is going on. It's quite crazy. Can I add one thing to it? It's been a rough time. It's been painful for a lot of people and it's caused a lot of breaking up relationships within families, within churches and everything. I think part of that we have to go through because whenever, I don't know if you've ever seen a situation where you find out something that's been going on for years, it's really unhealthy and really bad. Like you can't paper over that. You have to go through it to the other side to get healing. And so I think one of the things we're seeing in culture now is not so much that it's new stuff but it's an exposing of stuff that's been going on for years. And then a bit of an acceleration on top of it. And so in a way, I'm actually encouraged by it at times because it's like, okay, well now we're at least seeing what's there and the fact that makes me think, okay, God is taking us through this painful thing so that he can wake us up because for too long many of us have been asleep to the enemy's tactics and we've been lulled like the proverbial frog in the pot. And so now it's like they turned up the heat a little bit so we're hopping out. It's painful but it's a good thing.  What do you say to them? You know, as an older brother to some of the younger students we talk to them like, man, I promise you I've seen it, I've been out there the Christian world view stands on the most firm foundation of any world view.  But also like be humble enough to find people that can help you. That was what helped me out. The main thing was finding good mentors that were gifted in those areas that I could bounce stuff off of and oftentimes I'd have a 40 minute session with the guy and he'd say and now read these six books and I'll talk to you next month. And I had to do the work. Like you have to, if you're going to really pursue truth, Dallas said this, you know, the multiplication tables aren't going to knock you down when you're walking down the street. You have to sit down and you have to study them. So if you're going to be a person who cares about knowledge, cares about truth you have to pursue it, but pursue it in a safe place.  You see the fruit in their lives because there's a difference between intelligence and wisdom. Wisdom bears good fruit for life.  So I say find people that are wise that bear fruit and get up under them and study them. The Bible stands up to scrutiny and when it comes to all those things, you can learn all the details but you really don't know the counterfeit outside of studying the real. So make sure you understand the real and then it'll be easier to see through the other stuff as well. That's where I'd start. Good old fashioned. And it's hard like there is a part where you have to it takes time to sit down and even understand what is this Bible I'm holding? What are these genres of literature? Like how do I even understand this stuff? But you know, we'll put a lot of time into learning something on YouTube and other areas. Exactly, it's true. Yeah, all this other stuff. We have other Bibles, but when it comes to the Bible will we be the kind of people who will pursue it and seek the Kingdom first and that is the thing like through all the struggles, all the difficulty, I've seen it true that if you seek the Kingdom first he will find you. Seth, Nerva, thank you so much. 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