Good evening. Hi everybody. Welcome and Aloha. My name is Ileana and I am a librarian for the San Francisco Public Library. We are so happy you're here with us to celebrate Asian Pacific Islander Heritage Month for youth and families with the Hula presentation and performance by Halao Haakea Okinoki, zooming all the way in from Hilo, Hawaii and throughout the United States, including San Francisco. Before we begin, I would like to acknowledge that I am here in San Francisco, California on the unceded land of the Ramatush Ohlone peoples. The Ramatush Ohlone peoples still work, play and live on these lands in addition to the cultural and historic contributions and gifts they've offered. To learn more about the land you are on, please visit the link in the chat. This presentation is part of our Asian American Pacific Islander program series in which we celebrate AAPI history, culture and heritage, a celebration that we believe should take place not only during May, but all year round. Thank you for joining us to continue understanding, respecting and celebrating the diverse Asian American and Pacific Islander histories and cultures from San Francisco and beyond. Check out our webpage of the San Francisco Public Library to see upcoming events, watch events you may have missed or find great books by AAPI authors and illustrators and more. Before we start, a huge thanks Mahalo to the friends of the San Francisco Public Library for their generous support of this special series. We would not be able to do this without them. I would like to welcome Kumu Paul Neves and Halao Haakea Okinoki. Halao Haakea Okinoki is the second expression of the teachings of Kumu Paul Neves. Nahaumana, his students, are from Hilo, Hawaii, San Francisco, California, Kyoto, Japan and other parts of the United States. Today you're going to learn about Queen Lily Uokulani, her reign as the final monarch of the Kingdom of Kauai, her connection to San Francisco and the love that she had for her community and the children of the world with music and cultural dances of Kauai. Participation is strongly encouraged and we feel free to connect with the Halao on their website and Facebook links that will be in the chat. I would love to welcome Kumu Paul Neves to talk a little bit about what he's here for today. Aloha. Thank you, Ileana. I am a Kumu Hula, or a master of hula dance. Kumu means source or tree. And this is a very new thing to teach by, in this manner for me and for my Halao, but it's necessary in these times that we use those educational opportunities to communicate. Rather than not communicate, we may distance ourselves physically, but that does not mean we cannot get closer educationally. And so we are going to really ask you, the listener, the watcher, to see this as something in your living room, something that's close to you, something that we want to interface with you today. I would like to, you saw the first picture you saw was the picture of my Halao. Halao is a hula school. Ha is the breath. Lao is like the leaf or a tea leaf. The extension of the breath of that breath of life. I as the Kumu, I'm in charge of exuding a spirit to my homana. How is tree? Mana is spirit to my spirits, and they carry on my work there. And in this case, in San Francisco. The first picture of the Halao is in an area just below Rob Hill in the Golden Gate Park of the city of San Francisco. We have gone there to support the Olone people when they have their arbor, their celebrations of life there. And they've been very stunning and very touching. The second pic that I want to bring your notice to is the pic of Princess well, Queen Lili Okolani and King David Kalakoa. King David Kalakoa was the last male heir of the Hawaiian kingdom. King David Kalakoa, just to let you folks know passed away in San Francisco in 1891. His body was laid in state at Grace Cathedral. And at that time, and it's not been recorded, that a larger service has ever been, or a larger turnout for a service for a head of state was for King David. His body was taken back to Honolulu for burial. But there was like a hundred thousand people that were there that day. King David Kalakoa revitalized the hula. He's the one that had Iulani Palace in Honolulu Bill. And the revitalization of the hula was his heart's desire. And so even today we say that hula is the heartbeat of the Hawaiian people. And that's a quote from his majesty, the king. He was the first modern monarch to circumvent the world. As a matter of fact, the first one in recorded history that we know of that went all the way around the world. And then unfortunately passed away in 1891. Passed the throne to his sister, Princess Lili Okolani Dominus, the queen who's in the second photograph, that second quote is in the queen. That is an official portrait painting of Her Majesty, probably around 1892, which was the time of my grandfather's birth. My father was born the same year that the queen was installed as the queen. One of her favorite songs most people hear the tune, Aloha Oi. She wrote in Mono Willy Valley. It's a love song. And it was performed by the Royal Hawaiian Band in San Francisco. And it was written in 1878 at Mono Willy, which is a valley of Windward O'ahu, which you see clearly these days from the Pali Lookout. The queen was a prolific writer of songs, pianist. She conducted choirs. Her greatest love were children. She didn't have her own children. She adopted children. And her whole estate upon her passing was left to orphan children and then expanded to any children that were in financial hardship. So her whole estate to this day is the Lili Okalani Trust helps thousands and thousands and thousands of people. The queen endured one of the most difficult times in Hawaiian history. And that was the overthrow of the Hawaiian kingdom, our country, with a conspiracy of the United States, the president of the United States, not the executive of the United States, the minister, Stevens, and with conspirators within the Hawaiian kingdom, traders to the queen. And they conspired to bring the USS Boston, a first class battleship of that time, and United States Marines to land in Pearl Harbor, to land in, excuse me, Honolulu Harbor, and march upon the palace, force the queen from her throne, force her to abdicate, and set up machine guns in troops, 300 Marines, and declared that Hawaii was no longer independent, that it was under the United States military, and therefore the queen was put on trial in her own country for treason. It was a great injustice, not known by many Americans. So if there are Americans listening in, I'd behoove you to learn the true history of Hawaii and what we struggle with, even to this day. But the queen was approached by the men of that day, her royal household troops, and people loyal that let us resist the Americans, of which they probably could have, but the queen knew better that America had a history of dealing with native people that was not a peaceful history. So she said, no, stand down, and do not lay hands upon them. And they will come to realize, like the British before them, that the treaty of friendship between the United States and the Hawaiian kingdom was good, and that treaty would compel the United States to return to their ships and return her to the throne. But history tells us, and we are living that history, that the Americans did not return and instead recognized the rebel government of the 13, or the committee of 13, who were all white men, male businessmen and recognized them as a legitimate provisional government and then forced upon the islands of republic in 1894. And then that republic, they had that republic give Hawaii to the United States. We know that that annexation was illegal, because it's against American law and international law, that a joint session of Congress does not have the right to extinguish a treaty. But all of that happened, and the reality of it is today. The next pictures we have are really what we want to get to is the song. One song was written by a Helen Prendergast, and it was written around 1896, 1897. And that's Mrs. Prendergast. She was a loyal follower of the Queen. She grabbed her guitar and gatherings were banned, but she still managed to gather enough Hawaiians out with listen. And she wrote the song called Kaulana Napua. Kaulana, famous, Napua, the flowers. Famous are the flowers. And this song was meant for adults. It was meant for the adult population. You are the flowers of Hawaii. And what she did was she mentions in that song the rally around your chiefs as their chiefs rally around the Queen. Hawaii had been four kingdoms, and all of those chiefs were united by the great Kamehameha in 1819. So anyway, she asked them to rally. So the chiefly lines of Kauai and Mano, the chiefly lines of Oahu and Kakuyeva, chiefly lines of Kona and Maui, and the chiefly lines of the great Moku o Keave, the Keave lines. And this was her song for adults. And that song was so special, it was not sung regularly. As a matter of fact, up to 1966, it was never danced in hula until the Kamehameha schools under the direction of my kumus, kumo, anti-Nona beamer, stood for the first time in that school and made motion in hula to Kaulana Napua. To this day, Kaulana Napua is still, you know, you can't mess with that song. Please don't make it Hawaiian. Please don't make it with a rock beat. It is almost our song of defiance and honor. The next person you see is a person named Malia Craver. Anti-Malia, I knew personally. 25 years ago, about 25 years ago, she wrote this song called Pu'anani'a U'awa'i, The Pretty Flowers of Hawaii. And she writes this song to inspire children. Anti-Malia worked at the Lilio Kalani Trust, the trust of the queen, and gave her heart and soul to that trust. And this beautiful picture of her with this child really epitomizes who Anti was. And she writes this song to inspire the children of Hawaii. Because the adults, you know, we adults, we get into a lot of political discussions. But children, the new flowers, they're mixed. We have children from all across the world now in Hawaii. And she's still telling them as children, grow up to be those great fragrances, grow up to be that great mixture. But don't forget our queen. Don't forget the queen that made it so you can flower and you can have fragrance and you could be worn around, you know, a lay is around your neck. And they say when we were children, to put a child around your neck, was the greatest lay you could have is to have them on your shoulders with their feet around your neck. And so these children become the Pu'anani'a U'awa'i of today. And she wrote that 25 years ago, and I know there's young people that are 25 years ago that are in the marches that that are led by people who still raise up the memory of Queen Llew Kalani, that we would, we the Hawaiian people would rise again. And so these two mele, or songs, my music group, Komaka Kino, here in the Halau and Hilo, we decided to put the both songs together. And it was to bring the old with the new, but the same purpose. The ones that are already have become our kupuna or ancestors of spirit with those who are the children of the spirit of today. And so I hope you like it. I want you to try it right off the bat. You're going to have three shots to do it with us. They are doing it hula noho, which is the sit down style of hula. Not all hula is done standing. This is a style. And so this hula, this song is done standing, but for the purpose of zoom, and because we want to reach you, we do it hula noho. So here we go. This is the song we call lili umede, motions to try these motions to dance with us. If you dance with us, you bring the spirit of the Queen alive. You know, technology is technology, but it does not replace the heart nor does it create the heart. So when you move your body, this is not synchronized swimming. These are the dances of the heart. We'll leave synchronized swimming for the Olympics. We'll leave hula. Remember, the King said it is the heartbeat of the Hawaiian people, and that's how hula lives. So when we remember the Queen, we remember these motions. We remember that through these motions, we are beckoning her, her presence, her peacefulness, you know. She died November 11th, 1917. November 11th is Veterans Day, and when I celebrate Veterans Day, I celebrate her. She was my commander in chief, and her order was no war. Stand down. I'm very proud, and that love she had for children, you know, our ali, they became of status not by how many medals they had or how much land they had, but by their generosity to their people. I want to just kind of call out some of these symbols. I don't know if you've noticed these symbols, but in every one of the dancer's pictures, you should see the Hawaiian flag, which is the national flag of the Hawaiian kingdom. The state borrows it. We allow them to borrow it, but that was not the flag of the state, nor the flag of the Republic. It was the flag of the Hawaiian kingdom, an independent country with treaties with the United States and almost 80 other countries in the world. You will also see in around a candle, the couple of the Kalakaua dynasty, which is Kalakaua in Kuilu Kalani, and also Prince Kuhil, who followed the Kuilu Kalani. Princess Kuhilani was the torch that burned by day, and so whenever they were present, someone carried this sacred torch, and so that candle symbolizes their torch. And also you see us wearing beautiful yellow. I'm wearing the yellow, that was made of feathers. The yellow, which is tied on my left side, because my kumus tie on the left, and students tie on the right. Some kumus say just the opposite. That's why hula is not a boring art. We make sure that we do as we wish as we see it. So my how mana, again, mana is spirit. How is the bark? The bark of the kumu, the tree. My spirit branches all are adorned in the yellow, and they're wearing their colors, they're red. The red and the yellow are the colors of the ali'i, of the high chiefs. So thank you so much for doing that. And they also have some ali'i haku on their ali'i, excuse me, ali'i of fern, and it comes from San Francisco and Wisconsin. I'll have to make sure they did. So that's because they're hula people. And if they hold their wrists up, you'll see the kukui on their wrists, the kupe'e. Kukui is a black seed that comes from the, we call the candle nut tree, put four of them together from a green seed. You light, you light it, and it will give you two hours of light. It was our candle. And so it is called the kukui, and kukui is a white word for light. They also wear that kukui and double weave on their fore, that's a le'i po'o, the le'i, the le'i lima, or lima, or the kupe'e. Okay? I got it all. Good. I was taught that hula is storytelling. Hula is storytelling. Other people say, oh no, hula says that's why we're not a boring people. Yeah. So please don't ask me a question, but my kumu said that's why we're not a boring people. Keep what you learned in dir dir kumu in your hula house. All knowledge is not shared out of one house. The knowledge that was shared by Auntie Nona was hula is a story, and we should continue telling the stories. So it's kind of a challenge today, because we tell stories with our fingers, huh? With our, with our cell phones. Hula tells story with the heart. Heart to heart, then face to face, from the heart, from the face. Okay? So try this again. We're going to do this the second time. Okay? Oh, and by the way, there's men out there watching. Remember, hula tradition, it was the men who danced first. Having seen, so having so much women, our ancient ancestors were going, where are the men? Because the men danced first. And so, please men, please let us do the gestures together. The gestures to li li u me li ma al il wa manava mako ko. Did you try? I hope you tried, because you know, that takes a lot of work. They're doing a beautiful rendition of this honor of the queen. I wanted to see these slides. This is the, is this a picture of Queen Kapiolani, who seated, looking straight ahead, and the then Princess Nilio Kalani, on their way to Queen Victoria's Jubilee in 1887. During this reign of our monarchs, we were very close to England, as you see the British flag in our national flag. God's daughter of Queen Victoria was Queen Nilio Kalani's niece, Princess Kapiolani, who would have been the queen if the monarchy had not been overthrown by the United States and the conspiracy. Queen Victoria was one of the most famous monarchs of the British Empire. And we were very much a part of that. Some things I want you to know about Queen Nilio Kalani. She traveled, of course, she traveled to England, but she also went to school at Mills College in the Bay Area. And if you go to Mills College in Oakland, in the main street there, because I've seen it, is Kapiolani Street in Oakland. Right in the middle of the campus, there's Kapiolani Street. It's so nice to see a Hawaiian name on a street name when you're in California. But the legacy of the monarchy, the legacy of the Queen, her pride, her accomplishments are well known, not only, like I said before, her music and all that, but what she stood for. In those days, women were not regarded as great leaders. Of course, Victoria was through that upside down on its head. Right? But Queen Nilio Kalani was a tough monarch. She ruled in the toughest of times when women were not given that respect even to this day. Women still have to fight for the right to share this planet with men. In the Hawaiian culture, everything you inherit is from the maternal side, from the woman. So we know that term Mother Earth way before it was vogue. And so we look with pride at the accomplishments and the legacy of the Queen. I wanted you to know, let me see my notes. Yeah, I think I want to tell you about what I'm wearing. I will hope that you can see it. But this is a lay, this is not, this is a little palawa made from whale. The high chiefs of the order of the Hawaiian people wore them, especially on this island of Hawaii. I am a member of the Royal Order of Kamehameha and have been so for 30, 32 years this year. My grandfather was a member of the order. He was born in the kingdom in 1892. The Royal Order of Kamehameha takes its reflection from the order of Kamehameha that was created by the fifth Kamehameha in 1865. He was a monarch that preceded Queen Nilio Kalani. I think he was four monarchs before him. No, yeah, Kalakawa, Nilio, three, three before the Queen, Nilio Kalani. So the order of Kamehameha was created to ensure strength in the Hawaiian kingdom and to rally our people to never forget who we are who created us. And we are active even to this day. So I wanted to make sure that you saw that we usually wore a tie with the royal insignia on it. We wear black suits even as hot as this is in Hawaii because the tradition was to wear black at night so the Americans would not know when we are meeting because we were secret. We went underground during the overthrow and we did not resurface publicly till 1994. We stayed underground for a hundred years and we still met, my grandfather met, all of us met, but we made sure that certain things that we did were not known to the general public. So if you have any now questions, let Ileana know. I want to thank you and we're going to take some questions I think and then we're going to end with it during the third time, right? We got it, okay. So you can ask questions and I can get out of the suit because it's hot. There is so much love and appreciation in the chat right now. There are folks watching from New York throughout California, the area. I'm sure Hawaii is there as well. Just a ton, a ton of love. I have a question that I think some folks may also have, but what is practicing look like in a Zoom world with Halau that's spread out and even in the same city that you can't see each other? So that's kind of a softball question while we wait. Well different cities in Kyoto in Japan, they distance themselves and they still come once they still come, but their dojos are big for our students. We only have 20 students there, so they can separate. We in Hilo, we meet. COVID is not as bad in Hawaii, please. That doesn't mean you come here without a mask. Take your shots, please. Okay, we can't run away. We're in the middle of the Pacific. So we meet at distance. We wear our masks. As a matter of fact, we put these things on. That's the mask of the order of commandment. We have a stylized mask, but I don't think in San Francisco they meet together because the situation there calls you not to, but as soon as you are, I will definitely be flying and we will have those sweaty practices that we're so desired to have and have missed for so long. So it really adjusts from people, but you know, I try to tell them put your arms out and make a circle. That's your circle. That's your circle of protection, that distance. So nobody comes in your circle if you made a circle. So unless you have that space, don't do it. If you could do it in a park, do it. You know, we go down to the beaches. Over here, I see the halos practicing.  I think it's crazy, but you know, virtually it's gorgeous, right? Virtually it's gorgeous. We have to be, my love for you. Bono is the word. Be safe. Be safe. We have a couple more questions that have come in. So one question, has Kumu Paul been practicing since childhood? You know, I was always surrounded by Hula. My mother and father would get up and dance Hula, but I don't think they really had formalized training. My sister Monica was a lead performer and dancer. She went naked at nine years old in 1943. So she was a Hula dancer when we were born. She was in and she was also in the Tonga Room downtown San Francisco. She was the feature dancer there in the fifties. The lady's still alive and she still dances Hula. I have it on film, you know. I formally began Hula in Las Vegas of all places because I was working for the airlines in 1979. So there's not a month that has passed by in my life since 19. I think it was like May of 1979 till today, you know. So that's a little bit of time. It was almost 45 years. Yeah. Good question. Are there any questions about how can we give money to you? No, next question is. All right, then scratch that next question. Actually, the next question I think is interesting for a lot of folks because it may be brand new to them, but how does a kumu become a kumu? Again, a different halau have different their po kumu or their kumu that organizes them follows different hula houses have different traditions. Our tradition was from Mrs. Beamer pretty much and it was a very intimate, very quiet, very few people really about trying to understand your love of the land, your love of the people your willingness to your willingness to be a person that loves people. I mean, don't do this. If you don't like kids, don't do this. If you're impatient, do it. You need it. Yeah.  I would say don't even be a dancer. Yeah. So in our house, it was more about love and it was, I was my kumu's first kumu. He was Uniki or graduated in 1968 and I became his first kumu in 1999. So it took him quite a few years before he said, I want this one to carry on for me. You know, I have since then created a few kumu's of five to date because I feel the sense of urgency for our teaching. Like I said, you know, that's a good question. You need to ask other kumu's.   You have these great dreams that you see and then the next day you're going like, what do we eat? You know what I mean? It's a life of love. The food is the love. The enjoyment are the people I'm looking at. My enjoyment is to love these women and their families and their ohannas and have them love back and see what we can do with hula for somebody to make their life better and tell some stars. That's the way it was for us and that's the way I'm making kumu's. You know, you might be the best. It's not about the best dancer. It's not about that. It's not about awards, not for us. It might be for somebody. Ours is just do this. A lot of love and send money. Next question. These are great and I just have to reiterate there's just so much love in the chat. I think goosebumps were happening for plenty folks as the dancers were dancing, as the music was playing so I think we just really appreciate each other and appreciate that. We don't have any other questions that are coming in but I do want to offer up the information of your Facebook. Your website will be in our chat so folks can follow you all there please follow. This will be up so folks can rewatch this and share. There's a question. Oh there's another question. Yeah, it says what is the most, what did you say it? Say it. Okay, I'll say it. What one aspect of Hawaiian culture do you think is the most important to share with the world right now? And there's another question too but we'll start with that one. I share four when I teach. The first is aloha. Unconditional love and include yourself in that. Unconditional love of self. Unconditional love. No judgments. Yeah, unconditional love aloha. True aloha. Yeah, mahalo. Yeah, we know it. Most people know it as thank you. It is actually another word for admiration. To admire the day, give thanks for everything you receive and then take that and give it. It's not about hoarding goods and material wealth. Mahalo is the exchange of the aloha. Yeah, the third value is ohana. Hana is to work. Work hard. Hula is not for lazy people. You want to be lazy. Stay home. It's for hardworking people, not just to dance, but to perform, to help people that need help. So ohana, which is extended family. Yeah, Hawaiians put oh in front of Hana, which makes ohana almost like a person, a being to work as a family unit, to struggle sometimes, to do things for people. Like what I just did with my student. The last value is lokahi, unity. And I really mean this because we Hawaiians, we are good at opinions and so should we be. But there comes a time when we're going to have to do what the queen said. There will come a time when the United States will understand that it made a mistake. And they did. In 1993, they said, we're sorry. We did it. We were the guys in the crime. Now is the time for us to unify to say, thank you for your sorrow. Good, let us help you with the solution. Yeah, took them a hundred years to say they're sorry. Might take us a hundred years to, you know, to build the ship to get out of here, right? So, so lokahi, you come.  Whatever happened to them happened.  Uh, you know, the warriors lost or whatever, they're coming right from the hood, but they need that time because we cannot do aloha until there's lokahi. There's unity and we cannot do tomorrow until we have unity, then we go on. So, those four values, there's many more, but I just, I think those four are the most. Mahalo, ohana and lokahi to me are the most meaningful. Go. Fantastic question. So, thanks for getting that in and thanks for answering. One other one, can women become kumus? There's too many women kumus. Of course, of course, the most beautiful hula is from women and I must say, I must say, my teacher was a gay man and taught me and you know hula is all about balance between your masculine authority and your female authority. That's why when we, when we put our hands together like this, dancers, can you do that? That when you put their hands together like that, that is who is their right side. Hina is their left. Yeah. And that brings balance to the person. Men, now just think men had to do this first. Who needs their feminine balance more in the world? Yeah, the guys, the guys, they think it's all about armchair football. No, it's about being in balance with their partners, with their other people, with their land, with people, with the world.  It's not. It's a world made by God for people, both sides. So, women, yes, my auntie Nona was just a fabulous, fabulous female teacher who understood that absolutely. And Kahoone was her, her protege, I would say, in dance, my kumu and he was gay. And me, I'm normal with a lot of edges. And my kumos, I'm very proud of the ones that I've made kumos so far. To this point, they're all female, but soon, probably next year, for the first time, the three males, my son, Namaka, and my son, Kinogi, Namaka, his hula brother, and Kimo, his hula brother. I will make those three kumu to take over the halal for me. It's time for me to go on, write books, get thicker glasses, and collect all those gold bars you've been burying for me. I just can't believe they're right in my backyard. But they're good questions. Those are good questions. I wanted to thank the other kumos that do their work in San Francisco and in the U.S., on the U.S. continent, I always think we're doing, you know, I was born in the city, you know, you can say it's just like Hawaii, just like Hawaii. It ain't Hawaii, but the heart is Hawaii. That's why it's so hard to teach Allah, where the general population maybe doesn't understand like that, you know. And so I just want to do a shout out for all those kumos, North, Southern California, all across the U.S. and across the other parts of the world that try to continue this idea of aloha and seeing Hawaii in that way it should be seen. We fight here at home. It's a political fight. The halal stand and rise too. You know, it's not for the weak-hearted, but we stand in aloha. We stand in gratitude in mahalo. We stand as ohana and we stand in unity. That's the only way we're going to get justice because the queen was correct. You know, stand down. Do not kill. Do not bring blood. That was, um, that was so wise. We are all here today doing what we're doing because of that great mahalo or thought the queen had on the spur of the moment. She had to act and she said gentlemen, stand down. The United States, they'll get it. It took them 100 years and it'll probably take them 100 years to pack it up, pick it up, and get out. They still don't think they have to do that, but things take time. The Jews waited. The Chinese waited. Hawaiians, we can wait a little while and have fun. You know, but thank you so much, um, Eliana. I'm supposed to say thank you all. Eliana's my niece, by the way. She's trying to hide that fact from most adults. Her father is one of my older brothers, one of my 10 older brothers. Can you imagine? So, um, I'm proud of all 10 of them, especially the, um, message Rard. Her father is my, my link to the San Francisco giants and 49ers and to the goings on of San Francisco. Um, but, but thank you. I think we need to get to the song, you know? Okay. We need to get to the song and then, okay. Thank you everybody. Everybody that's out there, dance the song, practice it in the shower. Mahalo nui, aloha.


All right, yes, I'll go ahead and get started. Hi, everybody, welcome. I'm very excited to get this first joint community meeting webinar session going because I think it's really the first time in my knowledge that we are getting Joomla and WordPress and Type O3 and Drupal all together to do a presentation, all four of us, which is absolutely incredible. So I'm, first of all, really excited to be doing that, even though it's a very serious topic. It's an exciting beginning. So thank you, first of all, to Tim and Josiah and Mathias and Neil for participating in all of this as in representing your projects and collaborating on this initiative. So today we are going to be talking about the Cyber Resilience Act. You may have seen the open letter that our communities put out regarding the Cyber Resilience Act and how it might affect us on some of the issues that we see. So this webinar is intended just to go a little bit more in detail and explain more clearly how it might affect our projects, how it might affect our communities and so on. So just to get us started, that's not it. How did this happen? Sometimes Google Slides doesn't like me. There we go. So just to kick this off, these are four of the five people who will be speaking today. We have myself, my name is Crystal Dionisopoulos. I'm the president of Open Source Matters, which is the organization that supports the Jumel project. We have Tim Doyle, who is representing Drupal Association. Mathias Bolt-Lesniak, and I really hope I said that right from the type of three association. And Josefa Hayden Chimposi. Chimposi, yep. Close, I was close. From the WordPress project. And we also have Kieran from Open Forum Europe to help us get through the nitty gritty of the Cyber Resilience Act. So thank you all for joining us and for speaking. This is just a quick agenda. We are going to talk a little bit about our different projects, why we are working together, what is the Cyber Resilience Act, why it matters and what's coming up next and how you can get involved. So I'm going to go ahead and hand it off to Tim so he can introduce the Drupal project. Thank you, Crystal. Yes, I'm Tim Doyle. I'm the CEO of the Drupal Association. And many of you know Drupal, but if not, we're an open source CMS, about 20 years old. The Drupal Association is a U.S. not for profit that seeks to support Drupal the project and Drupal the community globally. We have, I would say in the tens of thousands of members and most recently have been recognized as a digital public good. Our existing security measures, we go through this because this is fundamental to the rule. We have a Drupal security team which is made up of 30 of our members around the globe. They follow a discrete process when issues are flagged or resolving them. And they use a standardized risk assessment which is based on a NIST framework. So we have a pretty robust security apparatus that monitors issues and addresses them discreetly. That's Drupal, let me turn it over. Next slide, I'm gonna turn it over. I think back to you, Crystal. Why does this keep happening? I'm sorry. That's okay. There we go. Okay, so the JUMLA project is forked from MAMBO in 2005 which this year is 18 years ago. JUMLA is going to be turning 18 in a couple of weeks actually. So we're excited about that. You might wonder what JUMLA means. It's an anglicized version of a Swahili word and also has similar words in many other languages that means basically altogether or as a whole because the whole reason that JUMLA started is open source matters. The project we were forked from was basically going close source and the community did not like that. So JUMLA was born and open source matters as the organization that supports it was founded at the same time as a nonprofit organization in the United States. We are completely volunteer run. No one is paid to contribute to the project unless they're doing so privately. There are no staff for open source matters and we are still thriving after all this time. JUMLA 5 is going to be released this October. As far as our existing security measures go we are a registered certified numbering authority for common vulnerabilities. So we really care about being transparent. We also maintain public list of vulnerable third party extensions. So even if there's a third party component that someone has installed and we are aware that there's something wrong we let our users know. We have the JUMLA security strike team which is dedicated to security with very robust reporting and disclosure processes so that we can make sure that our process is secure and transparent as much as we can. And we also have built-in support for multi-factor authentication to log in and password list login which is helpful to increase security CMS itself. So that's JUMLA and I am going to pass it off to type 03. Oh my gosh, again, really? Right to the- There we go. Questions instead. Questions, yeah, I introduce myself. I'm just assuming everyone knows everything. We're good. All right, go ahead. So Matias Bortlesnik, I am a board member of the type of three association and the type of three is what we call an enterprise any size CMS which means we have enterprise features but anyone can use them. And the type of three was started as a project by a Dane called Casper back in 1997 that's when he started writing the first lines of code and the initial release was in 1998 and that's 25 years ago and I'm sitting here another day before our developer days start and I'm actually wearing a T-shirt with the 25 year Jubilee on it. And the interesting thing with type of three I guess is that after a while Casper pulled out of our project he basically gave it to the community and the type of three association was founded in 2004 as an organization that should own the trademark of type of three and coordinate and fund the long-term development of the CMS. And today we have around about a thousand members and the type of three association in 2016 decided to find a subsidiary company and well it's called type of three GMBH because it's in Germany and it's a service company that provides services to agencies it doesn't make websites or compete with agencies in any way but it helps with marketing and the certifications and also our extended long-term support plans. And we released the version 12 earlier this year which will be supported until 2029 which we're kind of proud of and that's actually one of our existing security measures is that we have security patches for three years and then another paid three years with extended long-term support. We have a security team that is funded by the type of three association and that handles everything that has to do with security reports both for the core and for extensions and we also have detailed security guidelines and our documentation and we also have a bug bounty program. So if you go looking for bugs you might actually get some money for that. So then we're on to WordPress Josepha. Hello my friends. So WordPress has also reached a milestone this year. As many of us know we have been celebrating our 20th birthday all year long and we will continue to do it because what use is a party for just one day? We've worked eight, not 18 years ago, 20 years ago in May from B2 Cafe Log and like every other project in here we have a foundation. Ours is a registered 501c3 in the United States but it has no paid staff and it actually is just there mostly to own and operate our trademark and do a bit of DEIB investment. It does not actually run the project as much as it feels like it should. The project as a whole is hosting its second women non-binary and trans-led release that starts like a week from today. And so we're very excited about it. As far as our security measures go we currently research and patch our releases as far back as 3.7 which is 99.98% of the installations that we are aware of is a lot of installations. But we also train and educate about security best practices through our event series and also through the group of security researchers that work and kind of contribute with us. We have a bug bounty program that scales through the course of the release and we have ethical disclosure requirements with those as well. We partner with two third party entities in our community that are CNA registered and we host also an open communication channel with our hosting partners. So if they find things that are alarming they can tell us if we find things that we are about to need to patch we can tell them and just minimize the strike zone as much as possible. So those are all of our projects before we move on I want to just welcome everybody who joined since we started and before we get further into the heart of this conversation about the EU's upcoming Cyber Resilience Act I did want to just stop and note what Crystal has already mentioned and what we have been seeing over in the chat here that this is something that's really special happening here. Today we have leaders either named or elected from four major open source CMSs that account together for almost half of the sites that we find on the web. And while our softwares are by certain definitions competitors, there are various things that we will always agree on. Let's see, let's yeah. So there are the basic facts of things that we agree on. We all agree on the importance of defending the GPL license we agree on the ease of using PHP as our base language we agree that our communities are sacred and worth every bit of investment we can make. And we all have been agreeing on this for like 25 years between 18 and 25 years forever and ever. But there are also some philosophical things that we agree on. We beyond the four freedoms we all of course agree on the four freedoms of open source but we all function in a not-for-profit capacity which means that we are reliant on corporate contributions to sustain us. And as we get into the definitions in the CRA you'll understand why that is important for us to call out. We are also all volunteer driven. And finally, even though we all know that our frameworks can power excellent enterprise solutions we also see that our software is equalizers like all of our software are equalizers for small businesses and solopreneurs across the world. And because of those commonalities we are working together today as champions for open source on the web and for freedom on the web as well. And also for the continued success of our communities. So why is open source collaboration important? And this is really the first cross community meeting of Drupal Jomla type of three at WordPress. So that is, I mean, if you're here today you can tell your children about it and they can tell their children about it and all of that. But it is something special. I don't think you would find this in other communities that we can really get together on this level. But truly what we see very often still is that people see our CMSs as competitors and maybe they have sort of a sideways glance and they look at the other one and they say, oh no, we keep away from those or something happens over somewhere else. And we talk it down. We're very good in the open source community option of talking up our own projects but talking down other projects. And however, we are really open source counted for example the dependencies of the Drupal core and the type of three core and looked at what they had in common and actually 66% of the Drupal core dependencies are the same as type of three has. So there is really a connection between our different CMSs on a deeper level. Of course we have different approaches to things but I think we can all learn from each other. And when we haggle about who's actually best of the CMSs, I think there's one really important thing that we very often forget. And next slide please. And that is that's looming above us that very often talk about open source as one thing. If something goes wrong, it's one open source project. It doesn't have to be one of ours but they can point at them and they can say, well, you see that happens in open source. And that's not true. We all know that security issues for example can happen anywhere but we're actually open about them. We talk about them, we collaborate about them. A security fix in one system can be ported to other systems as well. And that means that when we work with open source we have to work as one. Next slide please. And that means that when we talk to clients and sell our CMSs, there are actually three levels that we can work on. And I think the first and most important choice that we have to focus on for our clients is actually that they choose open source. I think we're bringing ourselves into very, very difficult competitive situation if we try to compete with, I think the really important choice that has to be made first by every client is that they choose open source because there are so many inherent benefits in just choosing open source. Then the next choice when a client has chosen open source is of course to look at what platforms there are in open source and finding the best platform. And in the end, and I think that's really where the strong competition is happening is really choosing the agent, choosing the people with the best expertise to create the solution that is right for the client. And I think we can all agree about there is nothing good about a client going to open source and choosing the wrong platform or finding lack of expertise. So those are all things that we can collaborate on and get better at. Next slide. Totally agree. Thank you. The next part is going to be about the Cyber Resilience Act. So I'm going to hand this off to Kiran. Thanks. So just to briefly introduce myself. First, I'm very honored to be at this momentous occasion. This is very, I'm very lucky to be here. My name is Kiran. I'm working in Brussels now for 20 years, mostly on free software open source policy. I worked as a software developer before that. And then when a certain software patents regulation came up, I moved to Brussels and once I got into policy, I stayed. I'm working now for Openform Europe, who also has been working in Brussels for 20 years. And we weren't working together for most of that time, but we're working together now. And so in general, we work on policy topics and we work on the very long-term side of things, trying to make sure that we get the people in the Parliament Commission Council to understand these topics so that when they write something in the future, it will be of good quality. That doesn't always happen, though. And so the topic for today is this Cyber Resilient Act. I'm not going to go into nerdy, legal details, except for the first 30 seconds. So just if anyone wants to follow along, reading different parts of the text. In general, what the Cyber Resilient Act does is it changes the concept of software being treated like literature, where you have the freedom to publish, is a general freedom. And it changes that into software can be published if, and then we have to fulfill a list of obligations and take on a list of responsibilities if you want to publish software. So this is created in the article five, and then the obligations are an obligation to produce documentation. There is an annex with obligations for what you do before you publish the software. So you have to review it and make sure it has zero exploitable vulnerabilities, for example, and obligations that you have to do after you publish the software, for example, provide five years of security updates and have a way to contact the users if necessary. So that's the legal text I won't mention any more articles. So what happens is the people who wrote the law seem to have had an idea that software developed by a group of software developers, usually a company, and then when they decide to make a release, they pass the software on, possibly selling it to the users. And so it's a very simple model based on proprietary software where you have the distributor and the developers is the same entity. And it's a unified entity and it makes releases based on a product plan. The way this doesn't then work with free and open source software is that we have a collection of developers who all put their software into a project and the project is then downloaded by a bunch of people who will distribute and then people, users get it from the distributor. So this is much more complex then because the obligations of the Cyber Resilience Act are triggered by supplying the software. And so then the first questions are when a developer uploads the new module they've written to the project, have they supplied the module and do they have all these obligations just for having contributed to the project? So all this is hidden behind the walls in a proprietary model but because we do everything out in the open because we give transparency and we allow collaboration and competition we end up getting extra worries about obligations. So the second error is that the obligations are put on the supplier with the thinking that the supplier of the person who knows the software the best and this was probably thought because if you look at the proprietary model supplier is the developer because you have both entities are working under the same employer. So but in free and open source software the supplier is rarely the developer and is almost never the developer of the entire software package. So for us this becomes a lot more difficult and then we have multiple companies and entities distributed in the software and so once they have CRA applications we have to worry about how many times does a CRA audit and how many times the obligations have to be fulfilled because if we have 40 different companies in an ecosystem then where a proprietary piece of software might need one CRA audit do we need to do 40? We also tend to have more frequent releases as well that's just an additional complication. So the reason this is very serious is because the consequences for free and open source software are likely to be first off that people were worried about contributing to projects and this could be individuals just worrying in general what their obligations might be but also when you think about risk adverse entities and I'm thinking about SMEs and even more so about public sector entities if employees are currently fixing bugs adding features and upstreaming their patches because why not? With the CRA this will turn into something that they have to get approval from a higher up and once you have to get approval then becomes the question well why would we give approval or what's in it for us to take on this risk? So there's a risk that people will be afraid to contribute to projects. Then from the project side any patch that they accept will agree to their prior package that they will then be distributing and so then they have to take responsibility for anything that they're distributing and so not only will people be nervous about contributing but projects will be nervous about accepting external patches and for us this completely spoils the way we've always built our communities and our development models and the long tail which fixes a lot of bugs and gives a lot of security review. So this is the consequences of the CRA seemingly being written from a point of view looking only at proprietary software models. There is a paragraph about free and open source software this is the Recital 10 and this is it's somewhat useful we're glad it's there it shows that we were considered but the wording is quite unclear the wording in general is surprising at first the software is considered a product a developer is considered a manufacturer or possibly a supplier would be a manufacturer so sometimes the wording isn't completely obvious the first time people see it but the exemption applies to free and open source software distributed in outside the course of a commercial activity and so the word commercial is always a source of uncertainty we never know exactly of what point does a website that has ads or what point does an organization that accept donations or what happens when somebody fixes a bug and then later receives a bug bounty there are so many financial revenue models in free and open source software that this becomes very complicated and once things get complicated then because we generally don't have legal counsel we generally have to assume that okay if I'm not sure this exemption applies to me I have to assume it doesn't apply so this tends to make the exemption more or less not get used and so it may as well not exist in that case to the extent that it is clear it's also very unfortunate that it only applies to non-commercial software because of course the software really grows when we can build up a business ecosystem we don't rely on the students contributing their free time and weekend hackers the biggest, the most successful the most useful software practice we have have multiple companies paying developers and hopefully making money off this software so this exemption that exists it doesn't really serve the purpose of protecting our communities and our models in general so when we look at the text we've spent a long time now talking to the people in the parliament council and commission and when I say a long time I mean six or seven months which is actually quite short for a legislative procedure and this is unfortunate the timing is such that in January all the politicians have to go to election mode so at the moment they're rushing to get everything finished by December so it's actually moving quite quickly when we look at the text though we can see certain signs that could have been avoided had we been involved earlier in the process or had the process last longer for example the obligation that your software must not have any known exploitable vulnerabilities in general the definition of all of these individual words is not clear for everyone but also we generally consider that this is possibly an impossible goal once you get beyond a certain size there are then requirements such as your software has to have a default configuration that is secure which is also difficult because we don't know where our software is going to be used particularly if you write a library you never know if this compression algorithm is going to be used in a light bulb in a nuclear power plant in a school and then we look at the wording that talks about organization financing there are there is one exemption for non-profits but it only covers your non-profits if you don't have recurring donations and so here they've tried to avoid the situation where a non-profit is set up as a way to launder the software but the end result is anyone who's running a non-profit here if you want financial stability which you do you need to have recurring donations this exemption will only apply to you if your non-profit has not yet reached the status of being well-run then there's another piece of text which for me is my favorite is an exemption for foundations who make occasional supply now anyone who has a software project and wants that to be hosted by a foundation who promises to make it available occasionally well I think they need to rethink their idea the idea of occasional supply it's a legal instrument that exists so that non-profits can have a fundraiser at the end of the year and sell some pens and candles without being treated as a candle shop but the thing is they've taken that and putting the word software instead of candles and this is one of the things that's in there to help us so this is what happens if we don't get involved so we're involved now we're doing a lot of work it's quite complicated but we are getting more time with the policymakers which is the good thing that's my presentation of the Cyber Resilience Act I'm sure there'll be quite a question a brief moment on the status is that the parliament the commission writes the original text they hand it to the parliament and the council I won't go into the details they've finished their work so now that we have three entities that have texts the council, the parliament and the commission one person from each of these entities will now be nominated to go into trilogues and so they'll try and merge the three texts the three texts are very different so the final outcome will not resemble any of the individual texts which also means that there's a lot of freedom for anything to be changed really which could be to our advantage but it's also something we have to be concerned about because things can go wrong as well so everything is still open there is still plenty of work to do but it is going to finish probably by the end of November and so we've got a lot of work to do particularly to be ready for September we're going to try to put together a big policy document 20-30 pages giving lots of examples if we can get some of the CMS examples that would be fantastic and we need to show them how our software gets written how it gets financed and how it should be protected and how we can increase cybersecurity because if we want them to help us we have to make sure we're actually accepting a few obligations and as many as possible really to increase cybersecurity and so this is the complex task that we're working on at the moment and I'm looking forward to staying in contact and working on it together Karen, thank you so much for not only for this presentation but also for the work that you've been doing and Open Forum Europe has been doing to convene open source and advocate for open source one of the goals if we go to the next slide I just want to review I mean it's a little redundant what Karen said but just the three priorities are the biggest problems that we have with the regulation but really the purpose of this webinar is to build awareness among our communities about the role and what is going on primarily because at least in my opinion one thing open source doesn't do well is advocate for itself outside of its own community we have a we all have collectively very strong communities very principled communities and yet we have folks outside the community not quite understanding how open source operates and writing rules that doesn't reflect and doesn't really support the principles so that's really the purpose of this webinar this discussion has been this rule has been out since September hearing through the process Open Forum has done we are a little bit late but not too late as Karen said there's they're writing this final rule the other purpose or goal of building awareness is that I think we the four groups on this call came to the realization that we need to start advocating for ourselves to legislatures in Europe in the US wherever we need to because if they don't have a correct understanding of open source there's a there can be a contagion of lack of understanding that moves to other other regulatory bodies and this is this is one rule there are the rules coming down down the road that we need to ensure that they treat open source correctly our three main concerns with this rule is the definition of commercial activity is unclear and potentially problematic and did a great job talking about the different ways that either official not-for-profits or volunteers can receive something of value that could be construed as commercial activity we have the the flaws of the in the notion of unfinished software the rule only accepts unfinished software if it's only deployed for the purposes of testing and not available to market and at most folks knowing this better than myself even this idea kind of goes against the idea of agile software development minimum viable product deploying to get many eyes on to get feedback etc and lastly the legal responsibility that open source products the nature of open source products are not accounted for in the legal responsibility legal accountability that the rule is placing my understanding is that it's it's falling back to an older kind of manufacturing product model of liability and it says if you make you know that whoever makes the software is responsible for in terms of a manufacturer and as we know in open source there can be many manufacturers of the of the software and not just one um these are our primary concerns there are others we are engaged with open forum Europe and and will be you know part of their processes as and support them as and give our input as we as they as we write the policy paper you're the next slide just want to go over kind of the high level some people have asked you know why are we holding this webinar it's to build awareness and the impact of the rule on open source projects and the folks in this call we all have different models of how we support open source either from a a formal not-for-profit with paid staff to completely volunteer models all those models are affected by this it can affect contributors whether you're volunteer paid or sponsored it under this rule contributions may become more complicated you know there's no certainty in this but I think where we need to advocate is to ensure that the rule is written clearly so so open source is not adversely affected and continue to be fundamental to software and the web in Europe and then lastly our broader our broader communities can be affected whether you work for a large company or a small company or work by yourself um there may be compliance requirements of this rule is placing on you that that will be quite burdensome so we have a letter we will be distributing this this recorded webinar and continuing our advocacy efforts let me let's switch I think it goes over to you Crystal to talk about next steps and I would encourage people we have questions put questions in the Q and A that's where we'll try to answer them if we have good answers we'll put them in as we have them and we will be confirming if we need to think more about them Crystal let me turn it over to you thank you Tim yes so our next steps because the letter was just the beginning we are going to continue collaborating with each other and with the broader open source community like open forum Europe as well as hopefully directly with EU legislators because as Kieran mentioned open source is going to be included one way or another so the best way to minimize the negative impact is to work with them constructively and give them ways that we can comply even if it's stuff that we're already doing so we're going to help offer open source first language or wording or best practices that were that we are able to include without being too burdensome which will hopefully influence the final wording of the act to be a little bit more distinct between proprietary and open source software we're also working on organizing a seminar in Brussels in person we're hoping to discuss with legislators about open source because it seems that the people who drafted this didn't necessarily have an understanding at least until after they started getting feedback on the nuances of open source software and how many different kinds of ways that can play out in a community even if that seminar is a little bit too late to directly influence the CRA I'm hoping that it will also help them understand open source for the future too because there are going to be more things coming down that might influence open source and so it would be helpful for them to have a better understanding right from the start the details of that are going to be announced as we figure them out but likely it's going to take place in September or October but we're not just going to stop with the cyber resilience act it also goes beyond that so we're going to continue working together as open source CMSs we are going to have to address other legislation around the world possibly as a group in the future there are similar acts coming up in the US and in other places around the world there is also other legislation from the EU which could impact open source software that is not just about security but is about digital products and things like that if I remember correctly and I'm sure that there is going to be more coming through also so we are going to continue working together on things like this and collaborating and perhaps including other open source CMS communities as well in that collaboration because we are stronger working together the four just have I mentioned at the beginning that the four communities are presented here represent basically half of the websites that are running on the web which is a lot that's incredible so we are by combining our communities we can combine our expertise we can combine our reach and create more change that benefits all of us as an open source community which is really cool and exciting I get really excited about that and we're also promoting open source software overall because it's not just about open source CMS it's about open source in general open source matters we care about the open source community because it's we all share the same values and intentions so let's get into how you can help now if you're here all right so firstly I'm going to rock it through this so we have like 15 minutes for questions first thing is you might be hearing about this for the first time and you might find all of this alarming don't find it alarming don't panic but do take that feeling of like oh no we should be doing something and join us in in this next set of things that we're going to ask you to do so number one we would like you all to help us spread the word into your communities you can reshare the letter that we wrote there will be a recording of this that you all are welcome to share anywhere that is helpful make sure that the stakeholders in your local communities are aware of what this is and why it matters and of course why open source matters another thing that we ask you to do even if you're not going to spread the word is stay up to date with us so there are some upcoming opportunities for you to collaborate with your projects with us here to voice your concerns and help us collect information we have been asked to collect some information about all of the things that would be in line or not in line with the various definitions that we are having concerns about and so we're going to send out some information to ask you to get that collaborative knowledge better together and then in general just engage in this conversation with us like I said talk about the values and benefits of open source in your local communities and that survey I know that it was shared in the chat already once if someone wants to share it with everyone in the chat again that would be great but also we will just have it go out from all of our projects it asks questions about plugins, themes, extensions all those things just to get a sense for products in our ecosystems and then also if you all in your products in your small open source communities whatever it is have above and beyond measures that you take for security that look like they could be scalable absolutely let us know because that is one of the main concerns of the CRA that we of course are immediately trying to make clear about how we manage things and so those are the three big ways that you can help immediately I know it does not say contact your PM contact your MEP but that is probably a thing we will ask for at some point as we go through it done time for questions I took twice as long as I was going to take that was good no you did good we have a we have a bunch of questions in the chat I was just going to pull out some maybe for quick answers Kiran since you kind of have been doing the most work on this one question has proprietary software industry made comment on the rule do you have any insight into that not as much as we were expecting so we kind of focused on the recital to an exemption for free and open source software because we thought the requirements that generally apply to software they're going to annoy a large swath of proprietary software companies and you know they should work on that and hopefully they'll make that kind of reasonable for everyone we're surprised how little changed and so I'm not sure if they didn't pay enough attention if they just didn't manage to convince or it could be that a lot of the proprietary software lobbies in Europe are mostly financed by non-European software companies and it's possible that either they're not interested in fixing the CRA or that much or maybe the emu policy makers were not interested in listening to entities funded by US software companies so it appears that they haven't done as much as we were expecting at all thank you and then we had another question about you meant and you covered the definition of commercial or the inclusion of the word commercial activity in the rule and some of the concerns with that do you know specifically why they included that what were they what loophole were they trying to close by including commercial activity in I think it's section 10 or wherever yeah they they have a guide a terminology guide called the blue guide and that's part of a an initiative called the the new legislative framework and they try to emu's words that are in the blue guide because these are words where they've looked at the case law and they've looked at how this word is used in various contexts and they can recommend these words be used again just to include or to improve the consistency from between legislation so the word commercial is in there and that's the real reason the main reason they want to use it now it doesn't really apply very well to software like this is taken from product legislation which is mostly focused on physical products and so in that context the word commercial is getting more and more defined but now it's being applied to software and it's a lot less clear and it's not even just the word commercial it's outside the course of a commercial activity and then you're wondering well if I'm paid a salary and I do this during my office hours is the software being distributed during the course of a commercial activity even though maybe my employer has zero interest in the software so there's multiple things there but the word commercial yeah they're using it because it has a meaning in other contexts good thank you and I yeah please I would encourage folks to put their questions in the chat some of the questions we may need to think about and come back later so I'm kind of happy yeah we're going to save questions that don't get answered here so that we can answer them later yep one question here and I'm so glad you're on the call because we're really putting you on the spot the so additional EU legislation is there any additional EU legislation you would like to cite that's coming down the road I think we have a list the AI act and the data act are almost finished but because they're blocked they're all of a sudden they're open again so things still might change there and next year we're going to have the AI liability directive there's a standard essential patents regulation which is actually really interesting because there's good things in there so we would like to see that happen that get finished but you know we're running out of time for that to be finished by the end of the year there is in parallel to the CRA there's the product liability directive which is actually very similar in scope and once again it has the obligations triggered by supply so it's similar again but it gives you liability for any damage caused by your software and the interesting thing here is that it doesn't require any fault on behalf of the supplier or the developer you don't have to be negligent it just has to be that your software caused somebody damage and the damage can include things like data loss so if somebody if you have a buggy version and people start losing data then you could be liable for that according to the product liability directive which is happening in parallel it's about a month or two months later than the CRA I guess that's there's actually a review of the blue guide and the VNLF new legislative framework coming up and so that's built for it's quite deeply legal nerdy kind of topic but it's actually going to be of very serious consequences and it's an opportunity to get things right yeah there's a lot of difference that's half my list that's the main ones so there's a lot yes there's a lot and this is where I think my comment was one of the reasons we were getting involved is because we see there's a growing interest in the in the EU to write rules or update rules that will impact open source question came in and this is really for us if you're here in a break what are the concrete next steps for the project representatives leading today's call so let me share what I'm finding to do and others weigh in so I'm in awareness mode with my community with the Drupal community especially my European members get the word out and then Kieran we'll be working with Open Forum Europe to contribute however we can on the policy paper they're developing and so if there are as drafts are circulated or there are questions or need for input I'll be reaching out to my community members to say hey here's here's an issue here the question that that's going to be handled in the policy paper what have you what's our position on what what do we think about it so and then and then lastly supporting an in-person event that Crystal mentioned in in in Europe in September that's not exactly sure the form or the date of that or the output but we'll be supporting that so right now I'm kind of an awareness and opening the dialogue my community so we can be quickly responsive Crystal Matias you guys run away and what you're doing yeah what we're doing is pretty in line with what you said making sure our community that the general community is aware of what the CRA is and how it could affect our contributors or the people who have built their livelihoods surrounding Juma as a CMS and making sure that we are communicating with our security team to discuss what we are already doing and how the details of this act could affect us or the different versions of it trying to narrow down some of the feedback that we might be able to give back to legislators to see what we can we can advise on and try and communicate with our communities as well through things like survey that was shared earlier possibly a different survey will come out as well that's going to be a little bit more generic for the to discuss what makes a product what makes a what makes a project commercial and get our communities perspectives on all of those things because ultimately we are doing our best not just to represent our projects but also to represent our communities and make sure that you are accounted for as well since this will also affect you yeah and from the type of three community we are doing a lot of the same things we also have a little chat that we've opened up on talk.typeof3.org we're asking some questions to community members and well feedback is is very welcome there and I we're also doing a job to get this message out I think apart from from just focusing on the type of three association I think all of you who are listening to this it is really important to make sure that that open source is understood by legislators and well everyone in in Europe because it is really central to the European economy and to to our modern modern technology so this really shows that you know we have to go out there and talk about our systems our projects but also this basic value system that we're working on that we actually don't learn in school and wordpress is doing all the same stuff we also have the community summit coming up where I imagine I will talk to a lot of our our local community leaders about what they learn here and what questions they have as well and I'll be able to keep everybody updated as we do that at the end of August thank you so I think this webinar is less of a call to action specific action that we're asking members to take right now more awareness stay tuned and so as we reach out to you we can get information your feedback and input but I'd suggest there's a couple more questions and then wrap a quick wrap up and we'll talk about how we'll make this recording and answer the questions and other things available after the call Karen back to you I hope you had a nice break we had a question here about non-code contributions and are they is there any would this cover non-code contributions to open source projects I think he is no but I'm not sure I think I think that's safe yeah I think I don't say I don't think none code would be covered so that that would be okay and there's a small thing I want to just mention so just the interest of covering EU legislation even for outside EU so like between the US and the EU the US is the stronger clearly but the thing is because the US has a more its own slower policy on regulating in the US there's a tendency to let things progress and then jump in when they fall off the rails and in the EU the tendency is to make a framework early and then have progression happen within the framework and there's there's pluses and minuses for both but it just means that in certain areas where the US does regulate the US tends to lead the world then but whenever the US decides to not to regulate then the EU is often there to jump in and start regulating and so this can then have a run-on effect on the US and in other parts of the world and so this is also a reason why the the CRA is of interest I think for for people all around the world great thank you thank you for that and I would agree with that analysis of the import of this this rule beyond the Europe beyond Europe I think we were minutes I would suggest wrap up Chris I don't know if you want to wrap up or is there anything we want to say collectively I think that there was one more question that would be good to address if we have if we have another minute or so because it affects specifically people who build websites so the question is given all the project projects here at CMS Systems with the exception the open source exception applied to people including commercial entities who use these platforms to build websites which is an excellent question I don't know the answer to that because in I could totally see that a website could be considered a digital product but Akira and I hope you don't mind if you if you have any insight on on how that might apply Oh SaaS exception I'm sorry there was a software as a service exception that was referenced Yeah indeed so there's a SaaS exception for software that's running on the server there are still some questions about CMS because for example when people are viewing a web page it's going to have some JavaScript in the web page and so it's not clear whether a web server supplying a web page to somebody with JavaScript is this also a supplying software and you know then if your web site has any commercial aspects then you have to wonder am I within the course of a commercial activity or not so the problem is that yeah just a lot of the times when it's not certain people will err on the side of caution and this just causes a chilling effect in general but there are a lot of these questions where the answer will be for a long time yeah we don't really know Thank you hopefully it becomes clear as we work through this We have still quite a few questions in the question answer box I we can't get to all of them but we will collect them and do our best to address them after the webinar we're not going to necessarily answer all of them because some of them is going to be I don't know but either way we will do our very best before we log off I just wanted to say thank you again to Matthias, Tim, Jacefa, Kiran for speaking today you all have been wonderful to work with in getting the letter together and getting this webinar together and I'm very excited to continue working with you both for the CRA as well as other things in the future we had 500 people registered for this webinar which is just so incredible to see such interest from across our different communities we will be publishing the recording of it believe and sending out the survey links that were mentioned earlier so you will receive those in your email so far as I understand it and thank you all for for attending for taking the time to show up especially those of you who are not in the EU because I know that you are some of you are attending in the middle of the night which is very inspiring thank you for your commitment and your interest well done all of you and I I think that was it did I miss anything all good I think you covered it our special thanks goes to you Crystal for making the initial calls to each of us to post together on this so thank you for doing that it's my pleasure I can't take any credit it was a member a couple members of my Juno community that told me hey are we doing something about this and made me aware that we should be so well then we'll pass the kudos down to our community members because I also had a couple community members who were like are we doing things so thanks everyone for your time yeah ultimately it's all about the community right exactly that's why we're here all right thank you right thank you everyone thanks a lot


The old saying boys will one day become men was re-echoed as the CMI's Grammar School Old Grammarian Society held its multiple sets reunion. The reunion had several old boys who had attended the school between 1974 to 1980 in attendance along with their spouses and family members. The then teenagers who are now fathers and grandfathers were seen beaming with smiles at the sight of their contemporaries and one-time playmates even as they hugged and called themselves by their various nicknames while in school almost 50 years ago. The president of the Old Boys Association, Olu Vicent, chaired the occasion. In his address, he congratulated and appreciated every old boy for gracing the occasion and reflected on the glorious past and its rich legacies. Olu Vicent, chaired the occasion. Olu Vicent, chaired the occasion. Olu Vicent, chaired the occasion. Olu Vicent, chaired the occasion. Some of the old boys also spoke about the reunion and what it means to them. We feel so good about the reunion. Once in two years, we all gather together bringing guys that have left the school for 20, 30, 40 years together under the same roof, prove mountains and share love and share fellowship. It's always a good to reunite with the guys. We've been doing this since 2016 and every year it's getting better and it's another way to network among ourselves. We plan to do it many, many more years. Hopefully our guys are in good health and we continue these good sorts because this is a way to give back to the school. We don't see often, but we have a great platform where the traffic on that platform daily. If you don't come here, but then you come here the next two hours, you have about 1000 messages. So, I mean, there's not like youth friends, I would say youth friends. So the joy is just there, the trust is there, the happiness is there because we think alike or like people you are meeting along your path. We fight, yeah, do, we fight, but our fight doesn't last hours. I feel it's good to celebrate each other, it's good to reunite and let's connect. When we had the very first one, there were quite a few people that never saw each other, like when the left school, some of us left school in 79, some of us left in 1980 and some of us left in 81. However, when we had the very first one, which was in 2016, some people never saw each other until then. And that was when we realized that time is not on our side and we need to sort of get together more often and just felicitate with each other. The high point of the event was one of the old boys singing the school anthem memorably and reminiscing some funny memories.  Uyime Elijah, Plus TV News Legos.


وَأَقُولُ فِي القُرْآنِ مَا جَاءَتْ بِهِ آيَاتُوهُ فَهُوَ الْكَارِيمُ الْمُنزَالُهُ وَأَقُولُ قَالَ اللَّهُ جَلَّ جَلَالُهُ وَالْمُصْطَافَ الْهَاديِ وَلَا أَتْ أَوْوَالُهُ الحمد لله رب العالمين له الحمد الحسن والثناء الجميل واشدوا الله إله إلا الله وحده لا شريك له يقول الحق وهو يهد السبيل واشدوا أن محمد عبده ورسوله صلى الله عليه وعليه وعلى آله وأصحابه والتابعين لهم بحسانين إلى يوم الدين أما بعد إن شاء الله يتعالى I want to do a few verses إن شاء الله يتعالى that I feel بإذن الله كريم it can be a reminder for me and all of you الله سبحانه وتعالى He says I'll start from there إن شاء الله يتعالى I will carry on the verses after that الله يقول إن الذين هم the ones يعني إن الذين هم the ones who are لخشيتهم من ربهم the fear that they have from their Lord حذيرون قائفون من عقابه يداويمون على طاعته وطلب من ورضاته the fear that they have of their Lord is that they take a lot of precautions from the punishment of their Lord الله سبحانه وتعالى and they are consistent upon the obedience of Allah سبحانه وتعالى they are always obeying Him سبحانه وتعالى as Allah سبحانه وتعالى He said الله says the ones who are scared of their Lord they know that the punishment of Allah is not a safe place it's not a place you can tolerate if you go to it here Allah says in Surah Al-Mu'minoon والذين هم بآيات ربهم يؤمنون the ones who are scared of Allah this is their quality they believe in the verses of Allah سبحانه وتعالى يعني والذين هم بآيات القرآن they believe in the verses of the Quran وغيرها من الدلائل والبراهين والحجج يؤمنون all the other proofs also other than the Quran they believe in that and that's the view Ibn Jadid Tabari mentions Ibn Atiyah mentions Ibn Kathir mentions okay and some of the scholars they actually just said that والذين هم بآيات ربهم يؤمنون they restricted it just to the Quran like like like like like some scholars they chose that okay and they and they and they and they and they and they and they and they and they and they and they and they and they and they and they and they and they and they and they and they and they and they and they and they and they and they and they and they and they and they and they and they and they and they and they and they and they and they and they and they and they and they and they and they and they واتبار وفي كل شيء إلا هو آية إبن عطية says it encompasses the universal and the legislative القرآن and also the universal signs it encompasses this all because all of them they have lessons that we can take from it ولمام الشوكانيو he said والذين هم بأيات ربهم يؤمنون he says المراد بالآيات هي التنزيلية وقيلة هي التكوينية وقيلة مجموعهما he said that some scholars they said تنزيلية معانين في القرآن and some said it's the universal and some said it means all of that إبن كثير رحم الله وإبن عطية's call I'm happy with and I think it's that it encompasses it all it's general okay it is general and not specific to that then الله سبحانه وتعالى he says والذين هم بربهم لا يشرقون يعني والذين يخلصون لربهم في عباداتهم they do the acts of worship only for Allah فلا يشيقون به شيئا and they do not associate partners with him and that is تفسير مجرير الطابري mentions in his تفسير السعدي okay لا يشيقون here means نف يشرك الجلي والخفين it is negating the hidden shirk and also the apparent shirk okay and that's what ابن جرير الطابري that is what البيضاوي mentions العليمي mentions أبو السعود mentions الألوسي mentions القاسمي mentions سعدي mentions all of those great scholars that's the view that they pushed then الله تبارك وتعالى he says والذين يؤتون ما آتوا وقلوبهم وجلة أنهم إلى ربهم راجعون والذين they are the ones يطيعون they obey Allah ما أطاعوا in that which they obey him من زكوات وصدقات وغير ذلك they obey Allah the zakat that they gave the act of obedience that they come in they pray to Allah تبارك وتعالى with that being said والحالو with that situation أن قلوبهم خائفة نهاس are still trembling like that shaking, scared من رجوعهم إلى ربهم when they return back to their Lord وبعث فيهم يوم القيامة and when they are resurrected يوم القيامة للحساب والجزاء فيخافون أن لا يتقبل منهم they are scared that he might not be accepted from them and the prophet صلى الله عليه وسلم explained this to our mother عائش ربي الله تعالى عنها he explained it to her that these are people who fast they pray they do righteous deeds they are working hard لكن they are scared that it won't be accepted from them they are scared that these righteous deeds that they are doing it will not be accepted from them الله then says أولائكة those ones are يسارعون في الخيارات وهم لها سابقون أولائكة those ones are يسارعون it means يبادرون ويسابقون في عمل إطاعة they are the one who hasten to righteous deeds and good acts تقربون إلى الله تعالى because they want to get closer to Allah ونائل الدرجات and they want to get high levels الله then says وهم لها سابقون وهم إلى الخيارات سابقون and they are the ones who raise and reach the good that they are looking for and the good that they want that's the quality that they have ما الله تعالى تعالى make us from those people who are like that ابن عاشور رحمه الله he mentions يؤتون ما آتو يؤتون الأموالة they give their wealth their صدقات وصيلات ونفقات في سبيل الله وستعمال الإيطاء في إعطاء المال الشائع في القرآن متعيين أنه المراد هنا that this is he is saying that generally يؤتون ما آتو is generally يعني the word الإيطاء is generally referred to as the money wealth okay so he said that is what is شائع في القرآن so we should take that the meaning okay and some other scholars they take it as أعمال البرء all righteous deeds الواحدة ابن عاطية استحسنه also is the choice of البقاع and the Saudi and others and from the seraph we said that it encompasses all of the righteous deeds is عائشة ابن عباس الرواية of ابن عباس of course he has another call as well حسن البصري ابن عاطية يسر والدين يؤتون ما آتو على قراءة الجنهوري يعطون ما أعطو that's what it is التبريوه سن يريد الزكات المفروضة وسائر الصدقة وروية نحوه عن ابن عمرى ومجاهد وإنما ضمهم إلى هذا التخصيس أن العطاء مستعمل في المال على الأغلب قال ابن عباس وابن خجوبيل هو عام في جميع عمال البرء وهذا أحسن كأنه قال تلك المال وكأنه يؤتون من أنفسهم في طاعة الله ما بلغوا جهدهم وكأنه وانا ودهبت فرقة إلى أن معنى من المعاصر ودهبت فرقة إلى أن ذلك في جميع العمال طاعتها ومعصيتها وهذا أمدح ابن عاطية من شزول تقول لا تفهم فأي شيء ما قلت إن شاء الله إن شاء الله إن شاء الله إن شاء الله السلام عليكم ورحمة الله وبركاته كيف can you do a two second action right now that will give you a share of the reward of everything we're doing on this YouTube channel simple like this video and click subscribe why it will allow YouTube to recommend our videos to other users and imagine the huge amount of reward that could be waiting for you on the day of judgment if you did that with a sincere intention of spreading the Dean of Allah you'll be rewarded for every single person who benefits from one of our videos as a result of your like or subscribe that's an easy two second action that you definitely don't want to miss out on do it now click like and subscribe 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Would you like to improve and level up your one-on-one meetings with your team members? My name is Jeff Perry, the founder of More Than Engineering, leadership and career coach for engineers. And when I first started as a manager in an engineering firm, I began my one-on-one meetings by just starting to talk about the things that I felt like my team members needed to improve. Many, many managers make this mistake, but I learned something a little bit into my leadership career that helped me understand and shift how I did these meetings. I learned and really came to believe that my job as a manager and as a leader is to help grow and develop my team. And that's really my duty and my responsibility. And so I shifted my one-on-one meetings in order to facilitate that. So I'd like to give you just a few tips. Number one, start with leading out with vulnerability on what you feel like you as a leader, as a manager, can do differently. If you start and share one or two things that you feel like you can do to help them better, you're opening up that transparency and that vulnerability and that environment where they feel like they can share the truth with you. Number two, share with them a few things and ask for their input for what you feel like you can do differently. This will give you an opportunity to get feedback from them. And because you've led with that vulnerability and then open that up to ask them, then they are going to be more willing to tell you their true feelings rather than hiding it because you are their manager or leader. Then number three, ask them what they feel like they can do to improve as a team member. And then they'll be more open to because you've led and set the example as the leader, they'll be much more willing to share things that they feel like they can improve and be much more willing to do that. So start with transparency, what you can improve, ask for feedback and then ask them what they feel like they can do to improve. And your one-on-one meetings will become much more effective. Thanks for watching. I'm Jeff Perry from More Than Engineering.


And for many of you, it's like, well, how does this even work with survival? You know, I have jobs, I've had careers, I have skills, I have abilities and many of you have sputtered a bit trying to make it in the world and have been tempted to think of yourself as failures because you've sputtered and you haven't been able to like really hit your stride, hit your sweet spot, hit the groove and make it and be successful as the world would define it and actually Jesus says you can't judge your advances from your retreats.  I had a friend of mine who was at some of you know Donna Marie Kerry, amazing voice. She was one of the early ones that traveled with me back in 1992 and we hit the road together and that was a big step for her. She had a daughter Rachel and husband Lynn and at the time and you know to go hit the road and start trusting Jesus in a real deep way that was a huge leap of faith but and she even doubted it all. She'd had these amazing lyrics that would come through her and she would say you know what Jesus is not going to be using some country girl country girl from Kentucky with a twang you know he's not going to use me and I said what he is using you right now. Real love and all these songs when she traveled with me a whole album came through that were just these most transcendent songs and yet the part of our mind that believes that we're of this world reacts in a very defensive way to the calling when you start to get the calling of your heart it will come up with all kind of reasons all kinds of sabotage reasons to shoot it down and when you feel like you're failing in this world just often often it's just the ways being made clear for you to answer the call so when you seem to be failing and losing actually you're you're taking strides inward towards your ultimate calling and the world would say that's terrible you're what makes something of your life you're just a loser and then the spirits like saying no good just keep coming all things are working to go for good you're dismantling and just continue with the dismantling just keep coming inside