e what the entity can do especially this is like 2020 i assume this film was set in 2022 or three right uh fucking modern so just uh and that's not considered not considered at all we have to wait until like the hour and 10 minute mark before uh team ethan realized that the entity can do things pretty annoying um so yeah they uh they send him and the agents luther sends them to the other side of the airport is what he says um i haven't checked the size of the airport but i'm sure it's pretty big this will come up again a little bit later but the funny thing i thought was that the first person they send the team to is like right next to ethan he's like uh just above them in some kind of walkway and it's like damn dude luther playing a bit close to the other side you know and then he sends them to the other side remember you don't have a mask one random glance oh especially if they're looking for you and oh there he is why not um have someone who's heading outside into like a taxi look like ethan so then they have to chase the taxi you know what i mean yeah then they're yeah there has to be the get the cars the sirens there's a big deal that causes a bunch of commotion out there slows things down oh yeah there are way better ways to do the job they want to do but they don't even do the best job with what they're doing a little bit disappointing and so introduce grace kicks the pocket of the man who has the key that ethan wants and he's got a detector in his glasses so he can see that she does it and then uh he grabs her to get that back out but before we get on with that uh benji asks luther to mute their communications like why why why are you doing that and he says because there's a bag that he's detected that's been put on the conveyor belt to go to on a on a plane that could very well have a bomb in it um why mute why not tell you about that tell ethan yeah why i don't get why that i the idea that they well he's there he's within the bomb so the eventual reason we get is that he had a lot going on that's what benji says he had a lot off now i just i'd love to be able to speak to benji because i'd be like okay so you understand that everything that ethan's doing is irrelevant if a bomb goes off in the whole airport right like whatever pockets are being picked or keys are being moved around if everyone dies and this well what they're doing that that this is an unprecedented amount of stress for ethan he just wouldn't be able to handle this kind of stress knowing that there's a bomb oh that that's just that's never happened in every single mission impossible it's not like if in the in the prime movie he had to deal with the exact same situation while piloting a helicopter to chase after a guy a highly trained agent with a detonator that had to be like synchronized with them deactivating the bombs in a giant like village alongside his wife in it and then a little bit later luthis i think says what if the no i think it's either it's either luth or benji one of them says what if the entity wants us to think it's a bomb and i was thinking of myself like so you do know yeah and then i thought like of course they do they had the whole explanation from ethan earlier but for some reason now they're only considering this one element of the entity what if it's tricking us into thinking that's a bomb it's like what if it's infected your laptops entirely and it's making you do everything at once well why haven't we talked about this yet they talk about it way later it's so fucking weird but um yeah why isn't ethan involved in that conversation he's the one that actually knows about all this stuff they don't he was there for the explanation they should probably be like ethan we've got a bomb notification on our laptops do you believe that's the entity trying to throw us off the key or do you believe it's real and of course ethan would be like we're gonna have to check it out and he likely would have said we're gonna have to abort the key stuff with the seller just keep his fake one or whatever and go to the bomb the bomb is the priority but they don't tell him so he doesn't get to make any decisions related to that and he's just mad at them for doing it later because it would be a bit suspicious just on its face wouldn't it because i i've never worked in an airport but i'm pretty sure there's something around there that can detect if a bag happens to have a nuclear bomb in it in this post 9 11 world well you can argue the entity would have manipulated all the technology to let it pass i so i had to look away for a moment did we uh did you mention like if you're not going to tell ethan do you think that the idea needs to occur to you to like alert the authorities in the airport for the sake of all the lives if you even think there's a chance it's a bomb i think that's that's ethical reason enough to call an emergency evacuation yeah like we have to completely shift the focus of this mission entirely onto this bomb um and if that's not a feasible thing that we could do there needs to be like someone needs to say we need to call the bomb squad we need to evacuate the airport immediately because it's an airport full of people and this is a nuclear device or something but even even that is already got the counters coming up we've gotta gotta get this all they know is it might be a bomb that's what they know right now they don't know the time limit they don't know the range on it now to compare to a different film one called mission impossible fallout they're in a car heading toward the two bombs they know the exact yield of the bombs because they're familiar with the plutonium and the nature of the bomb's construction because they actually captured niels del brook is the one that made them and he's captured in the beginning they have all of his plans they know the range on these bombs and as they're driving in i think benji says shouldn't we call an evacuation and then this is no way they get out of range in time so we've just got to try and diffuse them that's not applicable here they don't know the range on this bomb they don't know the time on this bomb you call the evacuation it's an airport you you do it immediately that's what you should do but they don't and they don't acknowledge that that's something they should do either so it's um yeah definitely i weren't go yeah so much for fallouts themes ethan uh pick pockets grace and then does slight of hand magic in front of her for a while which fucking blew my mind i was like what the hell are you doing get on with the fucking mission um and then he basically explains to her that he wants her to take the the key back and put pocket it into the guy so that he can continue his mission and that if she does it correctly he will allow her to keep the he was like 50 000 in crypto or something on a flash drive it was like five million isn't it it's something big i i couldn't remember it's a big it's a large amount of money and so he eventually agrees and i was just thinking to myself like man we haven't entertained any of the other options here being the if only he did have a fake that he could put into that guy's pocket ready so that she could you know drop in the fake one but then again he's holding a fake one so i guess that doesn't really matter so this point you know just just what like but they don't know that yet they don't actually verify it's a fake key yet so you might be holding the real two and i was just thinking like how does it not occur to you that you're holding like the most important thing in the universe right now like those two keys and that if any of the wrong people like ethans the best person on earth ethans the best person on earth to have those keys right now if ever they fell into any other hands it could mean the end of the world for everyone other than that person slash power so it's just it's just weird the gravity of the situation is not appreciated at all by ethan and he's playing with them in front of her and then he's suggesting that we throw one back into the guy's pocket i just i found that hard to watch and feel like they were being respected those keys um in terms of all the other options you have but oh well uh she says yeah okay i agree and ethans running this all on the idea that i guess not going to try and subvert him that she'll just do everything that he wants her to do and then everything's going to go fine um things do not work out kind of what i'm uh i'm edging toward there kind of hint you know give the all into rue um you're also going to hope the buyer doesn't notice that he's lost his key now the whole time that they haven't put it back yet oh that might be an issue throughout the movie you gotta wonder right like if that guy would just be like occasionally checking his pockets all the time just like oh yep you know you know like the kind of way that you do when it's like oh it's my phone yeah my phone's there okay cool oh yeah like if you know that you have something of this insane value on it you would be very paranoid about constantly checking to make sure that it's there just out of just i wouldn't have to make sure it's there if people stored them in like little lockboxes that were actually like shamed to them why wouldn't you what would i have done if that was the case to just be yeah suitcase with the handcuffs like they do and yeah you'd be fucked the whole mission would be fucked in so many ways without the case you'd have to yeah you'd have to come up with how how do we pick the lock on the thing without him not noticing or how do we you know like that would be like a well you know you never know right that would be like a thing to do in the movie right right of the may yeah yeah exactly you have to sit down and think that's the that's the chink that happens in their plan right that's where they go or the kink a chink is an armor a kink is in a plan right the kink in the plan is that they're trying to do the pick pocket and then they notice he's got the briefcase and then he's got the handcuffs tied to it and he's like oh uh oh and everyone's like oh what do we do what do we do what do we do they try to come up with a distraction or they try to come up with you know something that's the little like oh we gotta improvise that will be more interesting um but yeah he says uh who you're working for anyway and then gray says oh i don't work with anybody he says okay well now you've got a partner i'm i thought it was really weird that he does believe her on that just he just believes that she is working alone that she wants the the key just to presumably sell it or whatever and she just happens to know what it's worth and think to for him to ask her how she knows what the key is or what it's worth at all well let's move on moller i i think i think you're forgetting one very actually two very important things uh she is charming and hot so anyway uh he says i know you're gonna put this key back in his pocket because you want the money and he holds up the flash drive i was just thinking to myself like that key is worth so much more than the flash drive if it were real but and she doesn't know it's it's fine it's it's totally fine um so then we hear luther in the background say i sure hope you know what you're doing about ethan i'm saying to myself like luther when you when you elaborate it sounds like you're not fully on board maybe there are way better ways to do this plan maybe the way better things you could tell ethan let him know apparently he doesn't know um anyway yeah uh luther then scans the key and he says it's counterfeit so only this is real the one that the buyer had was fake um i don't know why they wouldn't have checked that immediately that seems like the first thing you need to do straight away super important changes everything whether or not that key is real and then uh tom cruise says that changes nothing i thought that was an interesting comment because like if you had both keys i feel like that changes everything but apparently not um so yeah uh there's something to think about if the buyer himself had the fake key one he couldn't verify any keys because he's got a fake one at least by their own logic and two if he has a fake key believing he has a real one what do you expect he knows about the keys or what they do shortly you'd expect his information to actually be the most lacking out of everybody's if he can't even tell if he's got a real one and also this is like the confirmation that fakes of these keys exist they can be made and knowledge of the keys is prevalent enough to allow for fakes being made yes which is going to put huge um kinks in your plan this is like a big variable not damn key for hours this whole film is about two keys the whole thing it's that's about yeah this is like yeah it's it's kind of important this is like us talking about infinity stones or something it's kind of a we're talking about the movie that's what's happening there's keys in it the keys are sent the keys are the the simi mcguffin sort of things of them of the move they're very very important they're the central yeah it's like more said they're the central plot element of the film so yes we're going to be talking about the keys we're talking about the movie and trying to figure out you know where it sits you're just doing the evap thing the agents are then frustrated because they keep bumping into fake ethans and so then they're like he's jerking our chains let's spread out i was just thinking of myself like why did you do that do they actually say jerking our chains yeah why wouldn't they have spread out why would they all like let's all of us go together to get this one guy especially after it's dangerous what lady should have told them was wow he was ethan on my screen and then it glitched and then he wasn't i think my tech is compromised like that should have been set straight away it's kind of crazy that they didn't instantly go hmm you know what i think we're being screwed with here let's uh i mean we are highly trained like secrets of like super duper agent people do you think that we have no reality with these countermeasures the agents information is we want the keys like the intelligence agencies ethan wants the key too because he's going to destroy it we have to stop ethan that's what they've been sending to do why haven't they sent in a team to get the buyer the intelligence agency is the reason that ethan knows the buyer is even a thing and the buyer has half a key because if you're with the buyer i mean it's if if ethan wants to go find the buyer then just go with the buyer and then you find ethan he'll come to well there's that but there's also the fact that he has a they want the key they know the buyer's coming in it's a trap or i guess it isn't a trap actually they should have a team on him anyway and then yeah they would likely be let well you know what they would be led to they'd be led to fucking mantis they would be led to mantis that's right who would they even get that far though if they already know the buyer has the key they don't have to wait for him to get to this one no you're right they could just take it from him and that would fuck everything up for everyone else and that would ruin that would just change the whole movie the whole movie would end straight away yeah because everyone would assume that one is real because yeah he's just like yeah that everyone like i said this that's why i brought up the whole how does anyone know it's real it's like it just is okay so anyone who claims they have one is just good pretty much it's like yeah but the good key will verify the good key it's like if you have two fucking fake keys to verify each other then everyone will be convinced those are the real keys that sounds really stupid go down to the savastopol it's like all right here we go and then it won't work it'll be like when faddo snaps and he didn't notice the thing so then benji was impossible the keys together anyway benji's down there with the bomb he is he's got the bag and he says there is a device in here and it annoys me that he's now confirmed there's a device like evac evac evac he's like i am now removing the device no why would you even touch it why would you like yeah i feel like it's gotta be protocol for any bomb defusal squad it's like don't fucking touch it right now fucking touch it you know the worst thing the worst thing about it is uh you can actually see and you it shows the bench you can see it there is a timer that's frozen on it as in it's five minutes and it hasn't set up yet so it should be like okay the timer is here it's not moving this is clearly meant to be on an airplane so we may have enough time to get everyone out evac now like hopefully the time it doesn't start something has to happen to it before the time has started so at the very least i'm not going to touch it in case it happens to be activated by that except that's what he does and then he says oh well i seem to have activated it yeah he puts it on the table and it activates it's like oh my god fucking whoops he's like a bomb defusal expert why would yeah he knows better he's the tech guy he is the tech guy and he's talking to luther who's also a tech expert who would tell him not to fucking fiddle with it but we need it for some drama so benji's gonna momentarily be way more incompetent than he actually is and then benji's like oh god how do i defuse this that luther's like use your tools he's like i don't have any tools i would just bear in mind again this is all happening while they muted so ethan doesn't know any of this is happening he's busy doing and he should but they just won't let that happen um it's too stressful mawler and so yes uh you realize that benji went to this bag specifically from the little command center that they had because he believed it might be a bomb but he didn't take his tools with him um i mean that's pretty smart why would you not do that like because it'll probably be okay it's like all right then yeah oh um so yeah uh he has he says we have five minutes and it appears to be nuclear which he only knows because it shows a little nuclear symbol on the digital patch which that's it you might want to entertain the idea again about the entity which is like yeah fair i mean safe to assume it's i guess you don't lose anything by assuming but we should always assume the worst i just find it interesting they never discuss the potato like they say it once earlier like what if the entity wants us to believe this is a bomb then they never say it again wait oh wait yeah no don't worry okay sorry it's all we can do i'm trying to it's yeah let's keep going then uh good ol uh uh luther says how big is the bomb and then uh benji says big enough to take out everyone in this airport i suspect but i just thought it was funny because it's like but it was meant to go on an airplane like we we actually have no clue there's no real way to guess how big this bomb is and i assume that might have been the throwaway line to say it's too late to evacuate now but it's still not because there's still people on the edges of the f***ing airport that if they were to run directly opposite it and right now they might make it but they just never entertain i'm surprised there wasn't even a throwaway line saying that it's too late they usually do that in these movies well they didn't fall out they didn't fall out and it was justified and fall out uh because they knew exactly what the bomb was and how big it was but they don't know in this one um yeah anyway the thing opens up and there's a it's a cylindrical device with a bunch of wheels and they have a bunch of letters on them and i think uh luther says that means there's 1.5 billion combinations for unlocking it that that that's like the nature of it is it could be uh diffused if you can crack it and it spells out you are done belt d un n which is how you spell benji's surname so uh camera tightens up on him and he says it's my last name and the music is playing very creepy and i was kind of into it this is an interesting this this would be like an interesting i think one of the good keys about this kind of villain is the slow reveal about what it knows what it can do and what it has been doing the entire time and this is one of those things where i'm like oh this is like interesting like it even knows who would you know but you know surrounded by everything that it's surrounded by but now this is one of those little things about wow this movie could have been really really cool the uh the creepy angle for me was a little bit damaged by the fact that you see you are done i already knew that was his last name so i thought that was kind of cool there's my last name which i think is like all right everyone's got it now and then it zooms in further and then he goes it knows who i am i mean yeah yeah it's the first time and also the second time yeah third time i don't know why the film isn't as confident this time around almost subtle in the other one which is strange yeah like if you really need it again then why is any like almost like semi-panicking saying how does it know my name or something like how did it figure that out how does it know who i am sometimes well how did it know that i would come down here how did it know and then at that point you should realize it i got lured here yeah oh even if he just said it lured me here that would have been good because it means that he figured it out all on his own you know like he quickly figured out that that's what was happening um oh by the way he announces it it's a cylinder cipher and there are eight wheels now do you know how many questions he answers oh he doesn't answer right it's like five five yeah why i don't why why do that the additionally really fucking weird thing is uh when he answers question i think it's four um it shows a wheel spinning and it's the third wheel in from the left that's wow really yeah i was getting a good look at it and i don't know what the fuck is going on with that thing um i assume it's because they probably did the full scene and then they cut it down uh and we're supposed to fill in the blanks between cuts which you can benefit from i'm relatively okay with that but probably would have liked to see the whole thing i guess but with what it is relevant and important to which you know each of the questions is significant yeah um first question is well i see quite is riddles right i speak without a mouth i fly on the air without wings does echo i think luther does or benji i can't remember but first wheel spins now uh metal highlighted this uh to me i just think it's just so obvious that sometimes you want to fucking kill yourself you're just like yeah they have google you can just type all these into google and you'll get the answers straight away in fact you'll probably get more than one that would work so is it would be funny if they try well not funny but if they tried to google it and the entity stopped it from loading oh you know it'd be really great as if they do that and it shows Dennis and adrini goes uh uh uh you didn't say the magic word uh uh uh that would probably get away with that i mean if they literally googled the answer and then the google return was no cheating that would be creepy how do you say the entity does not allow cheating they don't even try and i don't even try that's a thing that's a miss that's a good point rags that's a huge missed opportunity how cool would it have been if they looked it up and then yeah the computer said no this is this is kind of like the first sort of like hint of an idea that the entity has like a personality or curiosity or something that it wants to know these answers from done right which is like that is a legitimately really interesting thing that this entity potentially has a personality and it's almost like like a Thanos in a way it's not just a villain trying to do a thing but it's like a thinking creature uh it's an agent now um yeah i guess in the you know other sense so but but this just doesn't really go anywhere which is like really fucking lame that this kind of just gets dropped absolutely in retrospect makes this aspect of the riddles just seem out of place oh there's so much to say about this this is why is it slightly undermined from the beginning as well in the why has why doesn't it already know everything it really needs to know about him i thought that was the premise of the threat that it poses it's that it's been harvesting all of this information already i'll give you a few more quotes and then we'll go back to that right so the second thing is are you afraid of death and then benji's like what the hell and then luther says it's a psychometric test the more you answer the more it learns about you if it'll disarm the bomb i'll give it my autobiography well as a platoon i assume trying to highlight uh benji says no to the question of are you afraid of death and then the machine that says like and it's like wait so it's asking these questions to learn about you but it knows that you're lying already knows so what do you mean what is it learning and uh i think that's one of the two questions it actually asks about benji and apparently already just like basic bitch riddles well what is it what are the answers are you afraid of death yes or no tell you about a person compared to just scanning their entire social media history which it can do with benji if it wanted to yeah which is presumably already has done in fact in fact that's probably how it knows whether or not he's lying about these questions so why that line from luther is bizarre he's like psychometric test the more you answer benji the more it learns it's like that could be creepy but you don't do anything with that and the questions don't tell us at all but that's just like normal behavior the more people answer your questions when you ask that that's just developing a relationship with anybody yeah i mean it's well the what he says like the more you answer the more you know the next thing is what's always approaching but never arrives and that he gets the answer from grace what does that tell you about benji that he has friends that he relies on for answers to questions what is there being first off obviously it's tomorrow super easy basic riddle not impressive whatsoever um we can do way better than that this is what we could do right this is like elementary right we can not only have better riddles but ones that relate to the story yeah or you know we don't even there's a bit later in the film when it mimics his voice yeah that's the coolest thing they try to do and it's but is this it's a way of no it's a complete head canon but can you tie it for it to that one it's it's basically asking him to give it his well give it his voice basically and that's the the thing that it uses later on to mimic the voice it has their voices from the answers well yeah yeah doesn't need this for that no i'm just trying to make it have some kind of point to the plot but it doesn't it doesn't have any or just skip the riddles and have all the questions be like personal quiet and like like like benji has to disarm the bomb by just answering honestly it all feels like missed opportunities right because the next one is uh who or what is the most important thing to you and you and he says my friends he does it in quite a like sincere way and then it like gets closer and goes you bastard i was like why did why did you do that no i like i quite liked the fact that he felt a little like embarrassed to say it but that it's just ultimately true and he needs to do this to disarm the bomb i enjoyed that piece and then they're like more so like isn't this funny and it's like no that's the point it's not funny this is he's trying to save everyone's lives by giving honest answers about how he feels and then i was thinking oh shit imagine it said like what do you truly think about ethan hunt and and and you know luther's like come on and he's just like well you know and he says he's like he's an amazing person he does amazing things he's saved so many lives done so many things and you know dot dot dot and the machine's not ticking yet and then he's like but maybe maybe he's uh a bit out of control he takes too many risks he's out of control he you know stuff like that maybe some people would be alive where they aren't anymore if not for him and then it dings like how fucking meaningful would that be and luther knows but ethan was muted you know it would be more interesting if you had like him answer like that and then there's the pause as if the machine is thinking if that's satisfactory and then it opens up there's so much you could do with this you know this entity and how it interacts with human beings and what it wants to know and what it's you know what what it's you know quote unquote personality is that's just it's a huge missed opportunity for this concept of a villain yep uh so uh i'll well i mean funnily enough the last riddle is what gets bigger the more you take away and uh those of us who uh you know have played a certain video game it's like man who just talking about how much they wasted with this jeez oh yeah you're fucking right oh my god jeez like i didn't even think about it oh gosh so wow how uh in a little video game that we fully recommend called god of war ragnarok there are characters who as part of the flavor dialogue of moving through the world start telling each other riddles and this dialogue triggers throughout the whole game after certain events until it is a part of one of the biggest payoffs in the whole game and it's incredibly meaningful and it's something that you never would have expected because there's so much flavor dialogue that's just you know you you don't think that one's going to become so fucking important but it is specifically that quote as well and then in this film it's just thrown in there i don't know and luther just goes oh a hole over they go yep that's it like okay oh man you're giving me those you're giving me the the flashback so that that that story man oh boy ragnarok talk about oh good time good times and so seven out of eight wheels are complete and then benji starts to panic because there are no more questions what do i do there's one more wheel and legit in the cinema i was sitting there and i was like oh they'll realize that there's only one more wheel so you can just spin it you can just click it until you get the correct answer because that you might have overthought it for a moment waiting for another question but you'll obviously conclude that uh he does not nor does luther and nor does ethan when he gets told about this and this is the moment they decided to tell him with a 45 second difference he can't possibly do anything as though that's not even more stressful than being told about it when you have time to stop it yeah which he seems to express but it never comes up again i actually would have liked to see him where he says never fucking do that ever again you idiots like jesus christ i trust you we're a team we have to trust each other well we've been through all of this and you're keeping secrets like come on for all he knew randomly turning the letters could activate the bomb right away so why does he do it i don't really make that argument if he's going to do it anyway sorry so yeah uh incredibly stupid from basically everybody involves not using any of the obvious strategies and then there's more to this bomb but we'll talk about it once we know more about the person who set it up i suppose um ethans side of things he in grace realized that the buyer is dead uh good ol mantis has killed him and why that's going to be what we talk about next oh why did that happen um yeah so let me help you out part of the fiction he works for gabriel gabriel works for the entity the entity most of thought he had the key and sent gabriel to get it from him and then he sent paris slash mantis whatever to get it and so she went up to him shot him killed him and then realized he didn't have the key which means the entity was tricked by a fake i guess a fake yeah but like why how did any of that happen all of this has been over digital communication the fucking ethan team confirmed it's a fake before that even happened and the entity's listening to everything how did this happen well why did the entity get tricked by this the entity is the only conceivable entity um that could actually have a complete and unbroken chain of evidence to know which the original key was because it's the only one that knows the precise location of where the submarine went down so it would be the only thing that could tell which keys emerged from roughly the place where the submarine went down and so which keys which emerged later in saudi arabia happened to have come from that place and so on and so forward until we get to this point the entity shouldn't be able to be tricked by this but the fact it shouldn't be able to be tricked by it means that none of this should happen anyway because it should already have found a way to get the keys which makes it even funnier is the grace is the reason all this is kind of fucking up and grace was sent by the white widow who is the broker between the entity and people who have the keys as in the white widow technically works for the entity and she's accidentally subverted the entity good plan pretty funny especially with the entity knows all of this and somehow fucks this up the entity should be dominating and it's falling apart i don't know what's going on really weird um so anyway ethan just puts the key and they show us very deliberately that he puts the key into his pocket and again it's just like man i really wish that had some more security in some way just then instead of writing the pocket especially when you're walking around with a pick pocket who's excellent at a job i don't know i almost you you don't must think that oh i pick pocket it's going to pick my pocket i should not put important things um in my pocket the uh benji eventually looks around the bomb and he spots that the word good luck has been spelled out without the k and so then he spins the wheel to match the k and it's just it hurts and it's like hidden it's like hidden on the bottom too which i feel is like a little like that's was weird because uh how do you know that in time nothing would have happened there was nothing in the bomb so that was a cool five seconds of tension though i guess so yeah uh we know what was funny sorry something i missed to say is when they have that 50ish seconds of figuring out what to do with the last wheel um luther says this must be your final test what the hell is he talking about the final test is looking lower on the cylinder but like it's the most useless thing to say to someone ever it's like i've been given presumably we didn't see them but seven questions to spin several wheels and now we've got one wheel left how do i spin it you just go that's your final test you're like thanks luther we've got 50 seconds left why are you wasting my time say something useful uh so yeah as rags mentioned it's just so fucking screwed up that they tell ethan when he literally can't do anything he may as well just let it blow up without him knowing so that he could at least enjoy those last few seconds of his life not knowing what the fuck's going on uh but yeah they say we didn't want to bother you you had a lot going on quote yeah you know you know as you gotta you gotta manage those stress levels with your secret agents you don't want them i mean like i don't know i feel like i'd want to know and i'm not even a secret agent guy and you know i i get stressed out as we all do but i feel like i'd i'd rather know uh they they're interruption by the way is to try and picture this ethan can't do anything like he's just has to listen and hope the bomb doesn't go off and he doesn't realize he gets pickpocketed and grace leaves his area completely he wasn't hanging on to it he wasn't holding their arm or anything at the same time luther cannot do anything other than look at his laptop screen which right now is fixated on ethan and and grace he misses that she not only steals the key but walks away he's got no alerts for that it doesn't see any of it it just it just done and it's not the entity subverting him because they show us that grace is on there and then he like looks the screen he goes oh grace is gone it's like what were you looking at what was there to look at you guys had one job i understand that it's stressful because a bomb might go off at any moment but i mean hello like but yes grace is gone now and she's got the real key uh so this is quite a catastrophe which does happen in a lot of the uh mission possible movies they often end up giving the fucking important things of the bad guys unfortunately uh what a shame so uh what a shame that's that's almost it for the uh oh yeah sorry after that happens ethan looks through like a little area in the wall that's just visible and he spots the agent people who look at him he looks at them and then he starts running and he's just like what are the odds of that and then oh oh no i was just thinking wouldn't it have been a possible fix that if he was wearing a mask and then he looks at the agents and then like sort of does a shock and then turns around and starts moving away that would actually give him away even though he's wearing a mask you could actually play it that way but it's he's just not going to wear a mask anyway so yeah they could of course try to come up with something to where the agents are like really good at their job trying to catch him and they and they do something that's actually really like clever or interesting that makes them you know especially from that point forward being like oh like they might actually catch ethan and crew if they're not you know at their a game you know they these guys these agents that are sent to capture them they're pretty good um they were looking for him yes that's something that we uh established when talking about this scene there are i think eight agents something like that in an airport spread out completely looking for him and he happens to right after grace steals his key you directly look at one of them in the face by accident that seems likely someone who uh someone who's recently in airports uh big airports that's uh that's quite a coincidence airports are really big sometimes and uh ethan is someone you might call experienced maybe some of this before once or twice maybe that is these goons functional role in the plot though they just turn up to excuse the scene transition or to excuse the plot moving towards something else that's that they arrive very conveniently in exactly the right place at exactly the moment the plot needs them to do in order to send us off to the next scene they're always just about five seconds behind where they need to be but they're never more than five seconds behind where they need to be and they're never less than that either they just turn up when the film needs something new to happen oh look the comic relief duo have arrived time for the next thing yeah it's like a bit of extra stress and uh i don't know tension for free thrown on this isn't even the first film that does that we uh we discovered it with the ghost protocol right it was a a team of was it russian agents that just keep catching up with him yeah yeah catching up and and foiling his plans at the worst possible moment yes so gray starts getting on the plane with their real key and i was just like oh so if you're the entity right now then you know that you'd know all of this because they're on the comms and all the different pieces of digital all the cameras you know everything you know all of this all the plane stuff is absolutely part of like networks absolutely so airports what we see next of the entity is that the he tries to use gabriel to get to grace when she's caught by the italian police therefore we can conclude gabriel wants to get to grace to get to the key he says that explicitly with the italian police but why does the entity let that plane leave yeah just like ground it stop it yeah like because i can i can teach the entity how to do this stuff because clearly it doesn't know how what you need to do is just technologically just stop the airplane just cut out all the power whatever you want to do you can just have it have errors failures uh then you send gabriel in and you give him all the fake idea to make him the highest authority that could ever be in this airport for whatever reason and then you can say that this woman is a known terrorist and i'm arresting her and the power of hacker man and then you get the key again and then you drop her and go that's it remember the the entity is presented as like capable of like quintillions of calculations hacker god it's just like immensely powerful and knowledgeable the idea that it couldn't see that that was a better option it's the only reason that that's not the case is because i wanted to set pace in rome that's it yeah that's the reason why it happened it's not because of any like actual sound plotting um so it's bad enough on the entity's side but then you have the uh the imf side and it's like can they not hack the plane slash stuff to just give it errors so that it doesn't work and then get ethan over there yeah it's it's i mean all the because you have your pre-flight checks and you're refueling and all that stuff there's a lot of things that could go wrong a lot of things like what if a fire alarm just goes off in the airport i was just about to say what if banji pulls the fire alarm they have to get everyone out they wouldn't launch the plane then right i mean if you need to just shoot a gun into the air you know just no phone anonymous bon thread phoning up on thread that too that would also how do you account for the fact that the entity wanted grace to go to uh to venice why because it wanted because remember the choice why what does that have to do with anything why don't ask me because the answer to that question is the you know ask the ask her i swear to god if we're gonna do the whole yes but the entity wanted everything to happen the way that it happened in this trust me bro sources told me um he he's going to collect the key off her when she arrives in italy what difference would it have made if he had collected it off it before she arrived in italy why does that need to happen and then he fails that by the way wouldn't the logical inference be in terms of like the way that it all lined up was that that was it changing its parameters and changing its goals we do not see an agabriel and a everyone else who's aligned with the entity operating in the whole film as though everything's going to plan we have the explicit and very cringe worthy ethan where he's really mad because ethan has filed his plans which never should have happened but we'll get to that that's why later but right now he wanted to get the he wanted uh mantis to get the key in the airport she failed that was the entity's goal it fucked up and it fucked up because of grace who was actually sent here by white widow who was in cahoots with the entity so all of that is hilarious and stupid and the entity should have known and then the entity wants to get the key off her in italy when she's under the police custody but sorry what am i am i fucking it is it italy and police this with her in it yeah um and so yeah cook good a pizza he comes in and he's like you just took in a woman and did you get her inventory was there a key that's what he asked him he fails because she's already gone right and what i'm saying is like if that was if the entity keeps fucking this up because pat mantis fucks up again in the car chase why didn't the entity just do the easy things we've labeled several of them but one of them is just stopping the airplane have you considered that the entity and villain man are trying to mess with ethan and that that's their goal you can't keep making these points when we see the entity fail it wanted to get the key off the buyer but it was taken already by grace why would it send mantis to do that unless it wanted the key well remember the entity knows everything that's going to happen so it planned everything out who is assisted by killing that random buyer who is assisted by gabriel randomly threatening killing a secretary and threatening the head of italian police what does that assist it's the entity he sees more than you do okay he knows all he's got a grand plan that you see i think something that you forget about moller is that the entity works in mysterious ways and he's a fucking moron he should have grounded that plane taken the key and he would have won really early because the white widow had the other one he could have gone straight to her and it would be over and i mean of course you know if the whole goal is to mess with ethan the entity can you know like you don't need the keys to do that well it can succeed in protecting itself permanently and then mess with ethan yeah why would you take the chance when you're vulnerable also it's a hyper hyper intelligent ai entity it can do two things at once it can mess with him in a completely disconnected way by say magicing the appearance of a key in the pocket of some random who flies to japan and off ethan goes chasing the complete wrong key at the same time as the entity solves its actual key problem by making the right decisions and locking up thief woman in the airport so even if you assume that it is completely planned out from the beginning by the entity the entity has made the worst conceivable decisions for something of its vast intellects that you can imagine i didn't say the white widow is a broker for the entity the two buyers on offer at the time we get to hear actually ethan and the entity i don't know why but they don't tell us about any or more of them there will be loads that's the that's the choice she has to make when we get to her but we're not on her yet um and yeah i don't know how you're gonna contextualize uh gabriel shouting like an anime villain as the entity wanted that to happen good luck so uh yeah the cia people are like oh he's gotta be here somewhere our shucks we lost him because all he does is run in a straight direction and he gets rid of him um again they especially you know the layout of the layout of an airport is such that it's not you know it's not like super open there's generally like terminals and pathways to follow back there's right they have someone on the cameras so all they need to do is tell her the guy we are currently chasing he may not look like ethan on your cameras but he is tag him tell us where he is that would have been it he wouldn't be able to escape because she would have him i like about any stuff like that also uh mantis killing that guy would be on camera just going to be this is going to be a guy who was murdered in the airport when they can trace her on camera um how many kills does mantis get away with in this film like a notion about a main character and don't give me the entity bullshit eyes see her people see her kill people police they don't seem to chase her or do anything about it it's not good she is it's not good they also take the time to explain with gabriel that the entity is erasing his presence in real time but i don't think they ever established that he's doing the same thing for her you kind of have to assume that that's what's happening except that she leaves a very visible trace that she has been there as mentioned because she's actually killing people and that's without the fact that later on she goes on a much more publicly destructive rampage yes which you can't really erase from existence no matter how much you try so back to the world we cut over to the old intelligence agencies generally i'm not sure if they're several or all but they've made this big room that is running strictly analog and away from the entity they're using shortwave radio magnetic audio recording cathode grade two monitors corona spy satellites from the cold war kind of fun you can you have a complete the analog system of exchange with a satellite is it just one huge wire no it can be like radio waves or something right yeah it's there's so much we i don't know about the difference between digital and analog that i'm willing to trust that they wouldn't reference these things unless they were considered analog technologies yeah i i assume it works yeah before things were digital we had ways of like communicating with so yeah like i assume it checks out scientifically i assume so and they say will this help us find ethan he says no no one's going to be able to find him but it will help us find this woman grace they're saying that uh they're on her because they saw her talking to him and they're hoping it'll lead them to ethan which i'm fine with i think all that makes sense what wait what are you sure yeah that they gotta find all right because they're hoping to find him through grace there you go a scene that i liked all right well all right so grace is collected by the police and her multiple aliases from her passports are all exposed and the guy says you've been sent here because italian police received an anonymous tip matching your description telling us you'd be arriving on the afternoon flight from Abu Dhabi with multiple passports that all have crimes connected to other countries that means the entity did that it dogged her in and it got it collected so it's going to send gabriel to pick her up then unfortunately gabriel is too late again just a fail from the entity which i don't know how it happens but it does um so yeah the airplane thing came up again but anyway uh ethan then turns up posing as her lawyer while the cia fbi agent people also turn up to collect her from that scene we just mentioned so everyone is here again and mantis is also there because she's working for gabriel who works for the entity so it's this just everyone's here and they've all got their ways again here it all makes sense is it worth pointing out that that ethan is here but at least if they followed his very clear instructions in the previous scene benji and his friend are not there because he specifically said that there is no rendezvous they have to separate the mission is a failure so they shouldn't be here but they are but they are they will turn up in a minute and they don't contact him they just stumble into him very odd it's a really small place italy it happens all the time i guess they followed the carnage but still the carnage wasn't isolated and ethan was actually in secret by the time they bumped into him put the car in carnage so um gabriel turns up and he says i need to inventory the items of grace as a time of arrest which i thought was strange i would have thought that would all be recorded by now but um it doesn't matter anyway but she didn't have the key something we're about to find out uh anyway gabriel says she left with a key and then the the italian police guy goes there was no key and then uh he's like who are you and he's like i'm into poll and uh the guy eventually says like you're not into poll and gabriel says i can if i want to be i was just like that's not how this works he says such cringe things and he should be saying awesome things well it wouldn't it be just the the notion that like every single thing that he's saying may well be like specifically curated uh to like mess with any given person would be interesting to see how different his temperament is depending on who he's talking to you know like what does it even look like as a person if with one person he adopts one strategy and then with another person he adopts and into you know like in um you remember in rick and morty they are the the crystal that like predicts the future and then uh and then when morty just starts making all those weird sounds like just go like oh like to try and make sure that he's going towards the right future should be like that except not like quite like that or that would be interesting wouldn't it we think gabriel should just be saying where is she right now and then the guy will be like oh uh she's in that other room and you'd be like cool and go straight in there kill ethan take her interrogate her till he gets the key but whatever he needs to be he needs to be cringesville and man also this is kind of his intro scene so um he says we both know you've stolen things before now to be fair this is gabriel to the italian police commissioner guy and he says so i'm gonna have to search you his assumption gabriel is from the algorithm i guess that this guy stole the key like that's what the algorithm has concluded so gabriel's gonna have to search him physically because obviously the entity can't do that and so the guy goes to call for help and gabriel stabs him in his hand and says your secretary is no logger with us and i look at like why what is with this stupid dialogue man would you kill the secretary also why did you kill did the entity not predict like hey killing the secretary is probably a bad idea no it's good that was what he needed to do this is what i mean i hate this kind of ryan where it's just like every stupid decision is like actually no like it's the best thing ever because actually this is this is why i think it would make sense for him to go up to the secretary and be like i am interpol check the fucking computer and then the empty goes and she's like oh my god you are interpol go right ahead sir play oh you think that the way that it should work is you know it's kind of like you know like contaminated to the t-1000 is able to maneuver through the world a hell of a lot easier than arnecan it feels like it should be like that that it should be effortless for him to yeah that takes on the appearance of a police officer which instantly makes it easier for him to do that well so that's in terminator two yeah there's that and then obviously all the disguises i imagine that the thing here would be that because ethan is like disavowed he's like in trouble it's it should be really hard for him and it should be like effortless for uh gabriel he should be able to like easily maneuver through these you should know exactly what is required to say to the smallest and most efficient amount yeah not only that but it doesn't have the ability it can it can really fuck up tom cruise's life immensely by fabricating an arrest record and publishing his face and his details and telling everyone to be on the lookout for him so if he's walking around without a mask then he's in real trouble because all the law enforcement agencies don't necessarily know who he is but they know that he's got a fabricated arrest warrant now for him so they all want to try and catch him at the same time as the entity itself is posing as law enforcement so it has no equivalent problems and you solve all of this nonsense needing random blonde french people to go around driving humvees through the streets of italy destroying the police because you've been much more subtle and artful and careful about how you're going about things and also yeah the entity is able to plan all this stuff in advance then he should have all of the fake ids that he will need in the future already on him ready to go uh i'm just saying now you are forgetting again gabriel is not a robot under the control of the entity the entity needs him and he plays sick games so like so here's a problem though like when you present like a computer that is this intelligent the computer should know how to manipulate him in a way that's advantageous to his goals not only it was kind of a thought i was having throughout the film was like well let's put it this way if we've got an entity that understands you better than you know yourself it's a super duper computer algorithm that has access to all the information it could ever need about you and it can develop like a really accurate profile of you that is better than one that you could create for yourself the entity should know the things that it could say to the people that it's got under its control to manipulate them to it's the problem when you present something this powerful it shouldn't be using uh first it shouldn't be using gabriel if this is an actual problem second yeah the film doesn't support this gabriel uh seems to actually have a real time assessment of uh determinism we see that happen once which throws everything out of whack because it means like wait is gabriel the entity is he an android what the fuck but we'll have to find out in part two what the hell they're doing with that um we will get messages beamed into him via a coffin i think i remember that well an earpiece maybe the entity is like by the way this is happening do this this is happening do this we don't know yet maybe they'll give us the answer in part two we'll talk more about that when we get to the scene that it regards thirdly if gabriel were just a crazy person doing all this stuff it's still not wise to do what he did like i don't believe he would want to do that he doesn't even want to stab the fucking police commissioner yeah he does it because he goes to try and get for help he said he just wants to search him that's all if the motivation is to mess with ethan why does he want to fuck with all these random people he's never gonna meet again but what's that if the motive is that he wants to fuck with people in general cause suffering he just loves to do it then like wouldn't we see way more of that why are we seeing so little of that the reality is it's inconsistent and bad yeah like i know you don't want to have to deal with this but like the film fucked itself over with the entity the entity is too powerful um and it's like the film doesn't fully grasp what it's created in in this uh computer it's the same it's again it's like the problem with ultron the same similar problems with ultron not quite the same whereas it's like dude it's too smart it's like a hyposuperduper ultra like the amount of information that this thing has at its disposal is like astounding that it could be making such simple mistakes well he's also a moron with the the police guy right because what he's coming in there to do is find out if this guy pocketed the key that's all he wants to do which sounds like it just sounds goofy anyway but the police guy says like there was no key and so gabriel's like yes but according to the algorithm you'd be the kind of man to steal the key because you've stolen stuff before so i gotta check your pockets how fucking stupid does that sound like okay but the police commissioner guy is like you're insane and i'm calling for help and then he stabs him that's why he stabs him he's like i'm gonna check your pockets one way or another mister this is like this is so silly but it's gabriel really gabriel's not like what if gabriel came in there with like some other people who were dressed as like inner pole uniformed people and so it looked a bit more official and more important and it wasn't just this one guy coming in claiming to be interpol the guy asked for id like if he had his faked id he gave the id and he had people with him then it'd be like oh shit this is actually inner pole and i might the jig might be up i need to give back what i took yeah but i still the funny thing is he didn't take the key because there was no key because the fucking algorithm managed to account for this guy possibly pickpocketing it but not grace putpocketing it you know what i mean like you can't explain that that whole sequence is actually completely unrelated to ethan it is just a failure on the part of the entity why i i think the entity isn't too powerful because ethan does point out that it's afraid the entity is just a more human with more additional info than the rest of the human populace the problem is like if it's got this much access to information that can sort it that quickly it's not a human also it's afraid because of one of the possible outcomes is that it loses yeah which you know like i guess that's valid the idea that it's like a human though so i find this i find this hilarious people are like it's not a god guys it can't predict to that level it's like we would just shown that it can and we will be shown there is a quote and this is again something metal highlighted and i found it's so fucking bad when he did gabriel says at one point in this film i don't have to worry about the keys because tomorrow it will be laid at my feet and then sure enough the day after the key is laid at his feet you guys remember how that happens the entity predicted all of that the whole the sum this suit the film makes it pretty clear that that's the way the entity works it's just making predictions about the future and that those predictions are really accurate because of the amount of information that it has access to up to the point up to like the routes yeah that people will take through a city as they're running the whole film is about this it's all it's predicting everyone's behaviors like i'm surprised everyone's pulling the card of like it ain't god it's like it predicted that one of either girls would die and then it better likely right yeah and so now we're highlighting there's times where it gets a completely wrong word absolutely shouldn't it's just being a moron and then of course this is all put into one side not only the predicted power but just the abilities and it has to influence the world through its use of technology because we see the way that it can in real time like alter security camera footage of spoiler later on in real time imitating different people manipulating like technology hacking into things disrupting things like it's incredibly powerful it's immensely powerful and it's the marriage of those two things the marriage of those two things really doesn't work because it's one thing to say it has immense predictive ability but no ability to influence the world and therefore engineer a particular course of action but that's not what the entity is the entity is meddling in the world the entity has immense agency the entity can close off all avenues for predictions it doesn't like via the actions it takes within the world itself meaning that really if the entity is as powerful as we're told it is and as we're showing it being repeatedly there is absolutely no reason it should end up in a position where it's afraid of a failure point because it should have precluded the possibility of that failure point already true but it didn't because then we wouldn't have a film um we find out that grace doesn't have the key because while she was on the airplane she put pocketed it into a random guy and she exchanged numbers with this guy and said that that they will meet in a particular place later which is relatively clever in any other film the problem in this one is that she is digitally connected with this guy and the microphones would have been on in their phones meaning the deal she made with him to meet him is now something all the the entity knows all of that doesn't act on it though the entity should know about that guy already and it should consider a person of interest that she went onto this airplane spoke to him and said i need to meet you specifically later and then she doesn't have the key i wonder where the key is but maybe they had their phones on airplane mode um so yeah i don't know i think i suppose that the entity couldn't figure that one out either uh so ethan then starts talking to grace about her sort of history and what he thinks about her and what he thinks that she should do next which i thought was kind of interesting considering she's been caught police could come in at any moment he's most wanted by the american intelligence agencies and who knows how many other people at this point needs to get out to go but he wants to talk to her extensively first she even suggests that they get out and he's like oh i'll get you out once you tell me where the key is like you should go man it's gonna get bad and then she says by the way your friends are here and he's like oh why did you tell me about them and i was even thinking to say as her it's like she doesn't even know if she is on your team if they are against you i don't know that might be helpful it's like you should have just got her out it's kind of where i'm going it's okay yeah i got you yeah get her out it's a bad place to be you got people coming after you um that list is growing so she explains how she got onto the key as the contact with her client i'll be the but the white widow was almost entirely encrypted texts except a drop that was given with a ticket to Abu Dhabi in a picture of Ethan meaning everything she knew about the the guy that she was going to be pickpocketing i guess and the drop in where it was going to be happening was or at least the job was discussed in texts which the entity would have had access to even if they are encrypted doesn't matter it gets everything that's digital and so that must be like like what did the entity learn from that like surely it would have been able to trace that it was the white widow that was organizing grace and thus grace is the one that gets in the way of mantis and the airport feels just completely off i don't know if if anyone remembers i don't i can never tell the difference between them forgetting who knows what or who's working for who or just how much the entity would know when they tell us it's like worldwide spanning and access to all networks of everything it's a bit messy and they're a bit inconsistent with it so one of those like is this in universe or is it just bad writing i don't know but of course this is where we find out the the only reason grace was able to pickpocket the guy is because she was told to chase the guy that ethan was chasing and therefore if ethan had worn a mask grace wouldn't be able to do anything he wouldn't be in the plot out of the awkward bit because there's every reason to wear a mask and he just didn't for no reason um also the drive was empty the crypto uh money i don't this is very casually said and i don't know what we're supposed to gain from it like she was promised that he'd have a drive that she could steal and it would have a payment on there but it had nothing on there is it are they implying that the entity took the money so she couldn't use it i don't know though the weird part is that uh it's the entity is what's being broken with with the white widow so i don't know why that would help the entity rather than hinder it uh because it's a funny meme okay oh well see because then she gets in it's like oh damn there's no money in the entity it's like gotcha um a lot to think about the funny in me would be like i will pay you with an nft and then low and behold it's worthless oh no but i know i don't i don't really understand why it would have removed all of the money given that we were told right at the beginning of the film that it's in control of the stock exchange and the global financial system it's not exactly short for cash um and it would get her off of its like she would then become a much more predictable asset wouldn't she like she completes the entire purpose that was set out for her is paid off is then for all intents and purposes out of calculations there's no point continuing to accommodate her because she's done her job and she's moved on and she's got what she wanted and that's it so they leave gets her out of there but grace very cleverly uh says i can't remember what she says but she implies to a bunch of men around them that he's tom cruisers is being abusive to her so they all protect her i thought this was fucking stupid as hell they're in a criminal justice building and he is acting as her lawyer and she was just arrested like why would that work instead of just him being like she's a fucking criminal i'm her lawyer you guys like you're all trying to be white knights like seriously it's so bizarre like why wasn't she in cuffs like why would ethan have released her from the cuff she was i'm pretty sure she was in them i guess he got the keys and then uncuffed here and because they took out a bunch of police we find that out what's the right sorry or was that what when is the paper clip saying come in that comes in well that does come in but i you know what i'm at that point she is in ethan's custody but doesn't have cuffs on if she took them off herself he would obviously put them back on and be like what the fuck did you you know i mean like he wants to keep her in cuffs she she's can't be trusted right now but then the fact that she isn't she's able to sell immediately that he's just a guy tried to abuse her and so they get separated i thought it was so fucking out of nowhere it's like how are you doing this in this building do these guys not know anything does ethan doesn't even try to say he's her lawyer or that she's a criminal uh doesn't he say that i think he does say that he's her lawyer right he does if he does none of them care about it either he doesn't say it or they don't give a shit which no i i'm pretty sure he does that and they block him they don't care that he said it yeah but why well now we know how the italians think about law and order i guess that's so much worse i was kind of hoping that he didn't say it anyway uh because you'd think that all of them would be related to criminal justice they wouldn't just be random civilians it's the police building correct uh i mean i guess i think they're still in there yeah regardless of whether he says that she's her lawyer if she if she wants to get away from her lawyer you know that doesn't really change anything right well i guess then you should have said she's a criminal i that probably would have been a better that would have been a better line to go with i would say but also i mean there's still why yeah sorry i guess i'm just turned around i should be saying he he needs to appeal to why she shouldn't be able to escape which is that she's a criminal yeah rather than because he still could be a harvey weinstein lawyer he could still that could still be true i guess it could still be true even if she's a criminal but like that's not something that any of them entertain they just well the thing is that you should be pointing to more urgency in terms of like her and her being a criminal rather than directing more attention to himself that's it like like he should also be in cups right uh i mean yeah probably yeah because this would that would solve a hell of a lot of these problems of course yeah because at that point it would just lend a lot of legitimacy to ethan saying like oh yeah don't let her get away um yeah uh action ensues we got our actions uh there's both a car ready to steal and a motorbike ready to steal so she gets in the car nice they're just laying around that is often the case in all these movies there's always just a car ready to go um it's maybe the real world is really like that and i just don't think about it because i don't think about stealing cars yeah yeah that could be it i haven't stolen any i haven't stolen a car i i don't think so i don't think i'm still in a car but maybe it's because i just don't think about it and i'm not a car thief that i don't go around the world with that kind of lens on you know noticing all the cars that would be so easy to steal uh he tries to get her attention and i think he tries to wind up her window and because she's doing that she's not focusing on the road and she actually gets uh i think t-boned um just spun around there's a few bits in in this chase which are again slightly tricky if if you want to run with the idea that the entity predicts absolutely everything up until the point of their meeting because the more times there's a very very near miss or someone gets hit by a car that survives because of luck by definition the less predictable that thing is so if that car had rammed into her at a slightly different angle or at slightly higher speed and she died or become badly concussed or something or if he hadn't jimmied his way out of the the handcuffs later on before he gets smacked by a train like there's all of these little variables that come in that make it virtually impossible to predict the outcome except by recourse to luck yeah i understand what you're saying and a lot of people are saying like aren't these in every mission impossible it's like and they'll be mentioned every time there's films that don't do it and they get more credit than the films that do how it goes um a lot of action films will rely on crazy contrivances in the middle of action scenes and i like to point out when the action's awesome and when the action's not as awesome yeah not all action scenes are created equal consider why uh you have mantis arrives with three goons uh tom cruise takes out two goons with his bike and uh like rams the third goons head into the window to knock him out but then the agents arrive and there's four of them and then mantis uh the sorry italian police arrive and i believe there are three of them maybe two feels like there should be a hell of a lot more i don't know why only one car for the italian police shows up and then mantis takes the gun off one of them after she beats them up kills another one and then kills two of the agents she's she's going killing what she do and uh then there's like a shootout until tom cruise and grace escape bay this is a kind of a fun moment of so many different factions competing so hard that it gives our heroes an opportunity to escape that kind of scenario so i don't know it's just a little longer like like uh mantis has some severe plot armor people kind of avoid taking her out a lot of the time especially in that moment or they're just not good enough to take her out when if she got tagged like once she's an incredibly annoying problem throughout this whole film for our main characters and just manages to get away this is the most prominent and i think from this point out the only people working for the entity are mantis and uh mantis and um Gabriel is that it there's no more do we ever see another henchman i i guess we assume one's driving the tractor later at the train thing but is that it there's no more goons no more there's another goon in the alley when they have that alley fight oh yeah i think that i think that's the last one yeah yeah that's right but we never really get a sense of how big this cyber death cult really is it's just do you mean they seem to work yes i'm guessing it's like meant to be part two is maybe we'll get more of a reason as to why Gabriel's doing this which again there could be like an actual interesting motivation there but i'm i don't know based on what we've seen now i feel like it's going to be lame whereas it could be interesting if he's like dude like this ai is really cool man like he's going to be in charge and he will take over and and he sees all knows all he has all the information he can make although you could go for like the sort of dex route like the machine god that knows all people's so well that it can take into account all of their interests their wants and their dislikes and form conclusions based on that but i feel like based on what we've been presented here in terms of an exploration of ai i think it's going to be lame it's also exploration of villain motives mantis is a good warning against expecting too much of part two because for her most part in this film she's just generic blonde psycho killer and she drives huge cars through piles of cars and causes massive destruction while laughing and that's basically all there is to her right up until the point when she decides she's now good and that's and the reasoning behind that is just laughable and then we never really get anything from her again from what i recall anyway so like she is never really going to be properly explained and then yeah but then yeah if one of your principal agents for the for the entity is this unformed throughout the entire film you never really get a sense of well she's so susceptible to be changed as we find out later then how reliable is his plan of relying on his cyber death cold given that apparently they their motives are only to cause destruction and death until they decide they don't want to do that anymore well we could talk a bit more about who the board goes on but you are correct as of this selection of scenes he's laughing like cackling as she's killing everybody in moments uh she she seems the way the film's going is that she's crazy uh seems like she's in this for a lot more than the entity winning she enjoys doing the whole killing people thing um like crumbopulous michael crumbopulous mantis he seems to operate a little more respectfully than she does i yeah he's he's more chill he doesn't cackle and laugh as he does it just no the crumbopulous michael he was just there for like two minutes and then he died the best made such an impression in those two minutes um so they uh their car is kind of compromised they they want to get another one and uh Ethan has an app on his phone to find him a good vehicle that you know like this one was tough to understand i didn't know if this meant that it was a spy car that the app takes you to a spy car if it's an imf card like would even have access to those kinds of things anymore you think there's there's so many like where would the ai have access to the phone is the main concern is the entity it's an analog well yeah so it's it's um because it's something that happens later in the film but it's probably worth touching on now when you got like self-driving cars or cars that have some kind of remote control or self-driving capabilities makes them a satellite technology would have a thought in the back of his mind of oh shit what if like it hacks into this and clouds me off a cliff they make a joke about it and it's so fucking painful may as well bring that up now there's no reason not to it's not like it's prompted by anything it's kind of isolated but there's a point in this film where benji's driving but he needs to use his laptop so he moves to the passenger seat and turns on autopilot he looks at the autopilot and like we look at it and then he goes and puts on his seatbelt the implication being oh what if the entity killed me by driving this into a wall and it's like you can't that's not funny that's the drama of a fucking film legitimate point as soon as he did that all i thought is like wait are you gonna like get killed here like is that what's about to happen how lame would that be if the entity just spud the wheel he went off a cliff we were like oh i mean it would be incredibly lame for benji the tech guy to give his self-driving car and then it gets taken over by the entity and it plows him into a wall well they they'd never like kill some kind of legacy character so arbitrarily i don't think that's true no i i don't think they would do that that would be baffling especially if you don't you had like five lines up to that point yeah okay yeah that'd be yeah but yeah um of course first thought with using an app on his phone was just like so the entity's just not gonna let you find anything but it does okay but then as free just measures like if this is an iabf related thing like should the iabf be alerted to this like oh he's using this but then maybe they won't be because they're not using the digital stuff anymore i don't know what the fuck's going on he gets a car and then they have jokes about how he can't quite start it up because he's not familiar with this set of controls and a little bit of bonding for him and grace which i feel like i should have done a little bit more effort into saying that his performance has been great so far um hell yeah well and the brief moments of they've taken some advantage of characterizing her during these scenes it's not like it's not just you know robotic he's uh she is quite a like she's obviously lived a life where she's not trusted a single person doesn't believe what he's doing is let's say she's uh she's quite unique in this slate of mission impossible characters never quite had anybody quite like her which is kind of funny to say because her backstory is exactly the same as the girl from the second one he had is but that's different well yeah we i don't know if that's worth mentioning right now but for those who don't remember which is pretty much everybody um tandy newton in the second mission impossible is a like will class thief that uh he incorporates into the imf because he's told to because she has a connection with the villain and but he you know those skills come in handy blah blah blah and uh he nearly gets her killed and the film becomes about how he needs to make sure he saves her because it can't be the like it's all because of him dragging this girl into this whole fight and then having her die so weird that none of that gets referenced in this film and that's what this film's about and i haven't even mentioned it's legitimately strange haven't you mentioned mission impossible three weird that that happens in the opening a girl who's brought in specifically by ethan trained by ethan recommended for fieldwork by ethan and he fails to save her because he runs out of time none of that's mentioned either really strange i wonder if mccquarie has rewatched those movies in recent times because i can understand people forgetting that that's what happens in them i think people forget what happens in all the mission impossibles if i'm being completely honest with you yeah and remember the name of the tech guy in mission impossible one how about the helicopter pilot mission impossible two how about the field agents mission impossible three and what was the name of the villain in the four nobody knows that fringy why would you ask that yeah it's just you know so anyway they get in the car they start uh they start driving off just the car chase itself is entertaining it's a tiny car and they've you know fucked up with having their hands connected by uh puffs because ethan doesn't want to lose her but of course she has pocketed a paper clip earlier we saw it too so how long is that gonna last who knows i don't know it's a fun car chase for the most part going around look at the little fiat that's cute and fun it was a funny little joke when they're they're going for the car right and there's a super car next to it and then it's the little yellow fiat that comes out like that was fun uh mantis gets back on their trail because they are tagged by a camera that recognizes i think ethan's face and then that's sent to the police and then she overhears that on her police radio that's inside the truck she stole which was confusing me because i would have thought the entity would have been able to tell her where they are or gabriel i assume they have communications of some kind why wouldn't they um and he's got a phone so the entity will know where ethan is at all times i you know i just but i don't know if it's ever it's fine i guess um when they're driving ethan has to avoid a baby carriage and so he just swerve hard and it rolls the whole car over and i've seen a couple people complain about this this part particularly that they switch places when falling what did what did you guys think about that was kind of kind of like that's all i got for you it's kind of like yeah i saw someone very angry at it oh i okay it's worth getting like very angry at that's how i felt i was like i mean you know it's whatever the fact is there's probably reasons to be pissed off by this film that is probably not slow or the less 50 don't worry about it sorry um then we'll lighten up because uh grace is now driving again and she's panicking she um starts to do donuts essentially and she sees the smoke coming and she assumes that's from the car and so panics even more like assumes the car is on fire she says and then ethan's like no no no it's the tires and he's trying to fix her up but she keeps spinning in circles mantis can't fuck them up because her car stalls which i thought was a little lame it's like oh okay but it gives you a comedic payoff after i went down the big stair bump and she makes a big jump right she makes the big jump down the stairs and it's something for sure but of course it's still like something the one time yeah it's not they couldn't escape her as the one time she stalls um yeah it would be yeah you know you could he still have a comedic beat if they both stalled and they're both looking at each other where they're both like each other trying to get to yeah yeah trying to get the their cars started yeah that that would be kind of funny especially because this is yeah again right after they both go careen off the stairs which by the way in the credits at the very end of the credits they have a special note about how they actually didn't fuck up the actual roman stairs they they built a replica of it you know for the stunts and everything don't worry we didn't actually fuck up the famous roman stairway which i thought was which i thought was actually abusing in the credits um so they end up driving down one area and then back another and they look like they're stuck but ethan reverses and turns into like this narrow alleyway and they come out the other end on a train track um the weird part is that we don't see anyone catch up to them for the whole time ethan's there even though they very clearly went that direction you know i mean like any cops getting out of their cars and running down there would eventually catch up to them pretty easily especially if they know that that just leads to a train track so they ain't going anywhere you know that the car will be stuck is what i'm saying you'd think they would have been followed but nobody comes in after them on that way um however uh unfortunately he has uh you know picked picked the lock on the cuffs and attached it to the wheel of the car now but she's free and ethan's stuck um this did get talked about an open bar that some people see it as a knock against a character that she practically leaves him for dead and doesn't care i'm willing i think to say that she did not realize the train was coming she probably wouldn't have cuffed him to the wheel if she thought that was she she throws the paperclip at him i think she assumes he can get himself out pretty easily yeah just like to buy yourself more time i don't know i think yes against that though you're stuck and you're on a train track and it's reasonable to assume that there might one day be a train that's coming past and you don't know how far away that is i think the best counter argument is she would have known and she was leaving she would have heard it though she should have been like oh fuck oh god if he can't get it and like turned around and felt guilty and maybe come back to make sure he's out you don't get any of that you just she leaves so it's still it's it's murky it's not great because uh he's done nothing but essentially look after at this point he's never he's not like sabotaged her he sabotaged him several times so the idea that she would kill him seems a bit harsh i don't think that was her goal at all i don't think that's what we're meant to conclude her goal was no um i the most thing you could conclude was that it was reckless that would be that'd be what i'd say no the most you can conclude is she chose to leave him for dead oh okay not that she was wanting to kill him that she was like if he dies he dies which is still oh yeah yeah right i i i i i i i get to his death well hankoff to a steering wheel on a train track his death is a reasonably foreseeable consequence for that now she can say well he's quick-witted and talented and probably he can get out but the fact is she doesn't know for sure he can get out in time so at least is willing to brook his death as a possible on the fact is he should have died uh yeah the way that it's shot it looks like he's still in the car when i guess um it is fucking weird i had to check it a couple times i wasn't entirely sure but yeah he goes to try and pick the lock he can't do it so he tries to lift the wheel off and he can't do it then he looks at the train the train's about give or take eight meters away and then it cuts to the train smashing the car and he jumped to the side with the wheel off so we're supposed to believe he did pull off the wheel which didn't look like he was able to pull that off when we saw him do be fair it is a fiat yeah but isn't it like a super duper like imf awesome fiat still some you know still a fiat a fiat you could just yank the parts right off a fiat known to be of like poor quality is that like a known thing or a meme i think they used to be known for breaking down all the time yeah i think they have it would have a jokey reputation i don't think it's like a serious one but it's like a little joke sort of thing you know it's a sense and a self-driving so it's relevant i'm serious remember that joke of the citizens where like harbor was going past and it didn't look like anybody was driving the car and then what was it let he's like oh look he's got a self-driving car and then it crashes like yeah an american self-driving car well when he drives the electric car into water he says don't worry it's an electric car like that that would make it work underwater remember the uh the when they were all going to uh it was the it's it's a wonderful life right the reference that guy what's the matter with your kid you told me the street was shallow yeah you remember that guy in the car why i order that he just keeps rambling as he sinks below the water but just like he's at him and the final important reference is the electric car that they ride balls it says if you ride me you'll think people will think you're gay oh yeah that was the uh 1950s inspired like the version of the future hello i'm an electric car your shitty lame voice and it says it can't go very fast or far i can't go very fast or very far there you go everybody there's all the simpson's car references that'll be now oh and then there was that car that homo built remember the one for his brother homo will be a little whatever it was called it's an uh subsistence run and that was really it was there's a decent car in that i think it was one of the better cars in the game um yeah by the way this is when benji and luther just drive past ethan and go hey ethan he's like oh hey yeah just drive bump into him and run the biggest city in italy they literally could have called him he had his phone but oh well yeah but it's not the biggest country in italy and then uh oh this uh seriously caught me off god he's in the truck these luther camera pants sees benji camera pans there's ilsa yeah she smiles and i remember thinking at this point like fuck yeah where the hell have you been yeah where have you been there's been a whole movie where the fuck like damn where were you she's like the second main character of this series what part of no rendezvous do you not understand you're not supposed to be together and you're definitely not supposed to be together here yeah that conversation doesn't happen doesn't say what the fuck guys he just goes and it's like if you're gonna let them anyway then why didn't you just work with them and from the get go yeah um so they know from what she grace told ethan earlier that she's heading to the it's like a building for uh brokering things and then they find out it's organized by the white widow and so she's likely the buyer and uh then um ilsa says didn't she put a price on your head which by the way is it referenced to fall out where he had a deal with the widow and he welched on it hardcore to complete his own mission we never saw the fallout of that and now ilsa is telling us that apparently a price got put on his head which makes a lot of sense and then she says she and ethan worked it out he never told me how all right then i'll probably solve i guess that's better than nothing like carry on um also bedji says does she still think you're john lark and then uh his responses maybe i am or something like that i just like okay but does she it's like a serious point but okay really good reason to believe that she wouldn't think that anymore after everything that happened in fallout it's such a it's like there's so much that in this film where they'll like make a joke out of a thing but it's like clearly like oh but i actually need the answer to that we actually need to make sure that okay that's fine we're doing funnies um so they say we still need to find someone who knows what the key unlocks and then uh they presume like well you know the bomb that got put into the airport by somebody that somebody must work for the entity and so uh they start to figure out who that was as a sort of lead and uh luther says he compares the feeds from the security cameras in the airport to the feed on ethan's glasses and he notices that there's inconsistencies and they sort of arrived to create this optical illusion i thought that was like really fucked up in terms of like damn the entity sucks like luther managed to see that you've you've done a very bad job of trying to photoshop someone out of of a sequence of events you know you can see like all the remains of the artifacts and stuff i was like it's the fucking entity man i'm pretty sure it would know and it would be able to do it pretty good it did it in real time with uh ethan and it was perfect when we saw it but when you see it on luther's laptop it's like really obvious okay range and then uh luther points out that we can see him in the reflection because the entity didn't see that coming it didn't realize that you could uh it would have to scrub him from more than just him it would also need to scrub his reflections does that sound like some of the mistake the entity would make really it is the only potentially mitigating fact to the fact that it like in real time it's very impressive to be able to do any of this obviously after the fact that could have completed the job on say the cctv cameras at the airport but maybe not on the recordings they have multi quintillion calculations in milliseconds of all the other things it's done it can you know override them or something um change pixels and by the way it's not like he's seen as glitchy and sort of see through in the reflection as though it tried but like couldn't quite get it right it's that there's no attempt to clear him up from reflections like the entity doesn't know how reflections work which just don't buy it or is it leaving its fingerprints so that's the last defense someone will try is actually that was all on purpose it's like okay how many times are we gonna play that card it was all on purpose you know oh it's boring so they're like who is this guy and then Ethan says it's someone I thought died a long time ago in another life before the IMF before I was offered the choice in a real sense he made me who I am today and again I think it's just surely the movies are why you are who you are we and there's something they don't pack on which really annoys me in mission impossible one he loses his whole team at the beginning his whole team loser that's the big that's the opening that's the beginning of that story he loses his team he gets disavowed and then the whole plot plays out from there why not re why not leverage uh history that already exists in your franchise rather than creating brand new history because that's what fallout did like fallout more so than any other uh any of the other films like actually deals with the events of prior films it makes them consequential and bakes them into the plot right it's like the fallout of the prior you know films say isn't that cute but it does why not leverage the there's so much history in the series it's six movies now seven it's generally the implication I get but had they not said this I'd have been like we got to see why Ethan is the man that he is because he lost all of his team and he could have been prevented had he been better faster stronger that sort of thing and the as the movies go on he loses people here and there and stuff and so you know fallout making it about like you've nearly caused the end of the world by protecting your own team and like he does absolutely everything he can push to his limits to make up for that choice it feels like dead reckoning should be about how he really this time actually has to choose you know like a real and imminent threat or the sacrifice one of his friends like that feels like the next step but instead they do something else and we'll get there someone at church point out something that I was thinking about as well the weird thing about the recent Mission Impossible movies is that it loves to reference the earlier films with like the train and everything but it doesn't want to reference the movies plot or its influence like because it feels like the train fight scene at the end of the film yeah like that does feel like it's trying to be reminiscent of one it's like yeah but what about the what about the story in one I mean you brought back uh Kittridge as well yep so it's like they're aware of that history it's not like they don't know what it is but I just find it strange that that you would invent new history instead of leveraging the immense amount of history that you have at your disposal it also it leaves itself an immense amount of work to do to make it seem anything other than contrived that this guy who plays a pivotal role in Tom Cruise's very distant past also just happens to be the guy that this AI entity has chosen to be it's like dark mistire of cyber state. Someone would say to you of course the reason it shows him is because of that history but that's just for the second film to really make that make sense because holy fuck yeah but it's it's all and it also gives us that huge expo dump where she says that the um the entity makes sure that there's no history on Gabriel available except for all of this stuff that I know about him like the fact that he's a true believer and he considers himself the dark messiah and that he thinks death is a friend and all that sort of cringe stuff so and that's that's all been told to her by her friends at mi6 so they already know who he is it's none of that makes any sense but it's still the contrivance point is like he must surely believe in the pseudo religious aspect of the entity in order to play the character he's playing in this one but how is that going to be squared with just the random act that he presumably committed in the past this might be a because now it's come to the when Moeller and I were rewatching a fallout a thought that we had was like dude they should have brought back Henry Cavill as like the villain they shouldn't have killed him in that movie have him be the disfigured you know disgruntled as hyper motivated by revenge and reincorporate him into this film and then have him work with the entity and so then you've got more of that real history that we got to see play out rather than having us rely on history that we never saw that we just have to infer with very minimal references or material you can actually feed in the goals of the syndicate were to create a piece right he could you could easily get Walker to believe in the entity that the entity will bring about peace fully it'll stop everyone from fucking fighting it'll bring everything to a calm and it'll give humans exactly what they want you could probably get it so that you have that angle but then also how much he wants revenge on Ethan and that the entities promised him that if you're late again playing on that angle and then you can use this film to start referencing all the people who've died in the other mission impossible and how Ethan has just fucking walked on their corpses to get to what he wants that sort of thing which of course is something that the film can then challenge in terms of referencing how how relentlessly Ethan tries to save people throughout the films well yeah and we were talking about earlier I think you may have been muted but you know the bomb section we were talking about how the questions could have been a lot more personal and interesting if it had asked Benji what does he truly think of Ethan as a person and we can get out of Benji the actual concerns he has about him being like yeah kind of crazy kind of reckless kind of unhinged well kind of the same as like um because we've got a brief glimpse of that right with Luther in our fallout where he's talking to Ilse and sort of explaining like you know the reason why all of this happened is because uh Ethan uh essentially he wanted to save my life over like that was more important to him than the uh getting the plutonium and then and then like sort of delving into the consequences of that and that uh and then he you know he went on to say like you know you should not be a part of this Ilse you should like like that you could we know that these guys even though they obviously have an immense amount of respect for Ethan and they're super loyal to him they obviously to some extent are going to have disagreements with the way that he goes about things and doubt and then it just gives us more of an opportunity to give Luther and Benji something because they are underutilized they're part of these films but like we don't we haven't gotten nearly as much character for them over the course of several films as we got for Ilse in two yeah so uh and that's what um was just talking about like so that he says there's no knowing him he has no recorded past the entity made sure of that he's a dark messiah the entity's chosen messenger he sees death as a gift he wants to share with the rest of the world you know Molo you need to read these lines like you think that they're good you need to read them all like that no you must as they are performers we're here I don't remember how it's delivered exactly but like I can't help but look at these words and just I feel like thinking thinking these lines are good should disqualify you from writing them to begin with um yeah so then and some people in chat are already talking about this like don't worry we're there so Ilse Ilse says I still have a few friends in mi6 people who want to keep Britain from gaining control of the entity now the first question of course is how would they know as little platoons brought up it's like whenever you ask these questions this is the examples of like it bleeds why isn't Ilse asked these questions Ilse contacts these people strictly by electronic digital shit and she's she's sure that they are the ones that told her all this stuff even though they're the ones that have informed her what the entity does which is manipulate all of digital technology how does someone not have that moment of thought like hmm what i'm using right now about that um and then of course you start thinking wait a minute so all this information she's just given about the mi6 putting her on this mission is what got her into the desert with the key but why haven't you told Ethan any of this and Ethan says this why the hell didn't you tell me any of this and then she says i'm telling you now i love how they just hand weave that away that is a that is a righteous handbook excuse that one i've heard that in so many fucking movies it drives me nuts that i'm telling you now it's like that i know that i'm asking you why you didn't tell me earlier yes it just makes people feel like oh okay but it's like no no she should have told him and i don't know why he didn't ask her did he just say like oh this key i need it i've been told to get it do you know what it does and she's like okay all right well moving on um he says they knew he was on his way to Istanbul to acquire half a key and we beat him to it and then hidden the desert uh from a bounty but somehow the bounty hunters found you anyway that's what uh tom cruise says and i thought that at this point they were implying something and they continue they some uh say the key leads the source code and it's like uh you know all the all all this stuff all this information i've gotten electronic uh electronic electronically electronically and then they all have that realization whoa whoa oh my gosh this is an wow is this AI like a hacker man all of what Ilse got in terms of information may have come from the entity and not mi6 the entity may have been the one that got her to go to Istanbul and subvert whoever had the key at the time to get it herself because i guess it may have calculated that she's like the greatest person ever to get the key and that's why it knew she would also go to the desert my i'm guessing and that's why it it was the one that sent the because they have this line where they're like somehow it found you in the desert is like is that is the implication supposed to be that through determinism again like scanning your profiles it knew that she would go to the desert or something and it sent those bounty hunters i don't know um it's it's too hard to figure out and of course the entity's decisions are all over the place um but it led to her actually getting the key but i guess i was about to say you could justify every entity decision because it ends up with Gabriel getting the key only it doesn't actually end up that way but that's fine don't you worry about that yeah um but so i got really annoyed hearing Ilse basically realize how fucking retarded she is she was like wow this thing manipulates all of technology and i've been using nothing but technology to talk to the people that gave me all this information hmm i've never thought of this before and then they have the conversation the cringe one where you go we can't be sure that was the entity and then someone else goes we can't be sure it wasn't the entity and then i think even says that we can't be sure anything is real outside of this conversation like where was this at the beginning of the film of the movie yes hello what was this in your first briefing like come on guys you should know embarrassing the entity is fucking with their like equipment since the get go they've told like in theory they told that and it's only now that they're like wait a minute and and and then it's it's the funny part is by the way my old spoiler they the entity subsequently messes with the equipment that they use for they continue to trust their digital equipment this group they keep using it but the fact that they hadn't even considered that that was something that it could do is laughable like they should know better than that normies know this and they're like super duper secret agent guys um and then and then he says he he knows he knows the best way to get to me is through all of you there's a reason he wants me here it wants all of us here you all have to go and then again it feels like it's written by a kid that luther goes but what if it wants us to leave it's just like what you guys have never thought about any of this yet i mean i don't know yeah it's kind of it's kind of you think that they would have had the conversation sooner if it's making because that's that why wouldn't they think that that's what the the thing is doing it's making predictions and you need to try and figure out ways to subvert those predictions and it's like what does that even mean to subvert those predictions you need to behave in a way that is so fundamentally different from the way that you normally act that they actually they go the opposite way don't they because doesn't need to say if you want to beat it you have to start thinking like it which i would have thought is kind of the opposite of the thing you want to do because it is an incredibly predictable thing and it works on predictions so you need to be the opposite of it what like if anything wouldn't it be like you could you need to find ways to uh basically introduce chance the unpredictable uh yeah you need to introduce chance into your equation you could save a villain's life and she could randomly decide that she likes you after all that's introducing chance to the equation you can't predict that it's kind of because now i'm just thinking like what if you just like what if with some parameters you just use like some dice you just like had some dice and then you you did some random things based on what the guys told you to do like if like if he's just walking through and he's like i'm going to roll the dice and i have like an idea on my head of song that would make for a really fun film that would make well i think that there's a because there's a there's a book right called the dice man that's about a guy who just starts using dice to like make decisions throughout his life i think are we doing that the whole like well i mean well then again you could even do that right if you flip a coin even that like as as just a binary yeah choice that's against it to him like all of these things would just introduce it unpredictable just think it's you know it's like chaos theory right try to find ways to it's like joker said introduce a little anarchy and so that you know just fuck around like that that seems like a way that you could try to beat the system if you could have a scene like they're running running away from accidents like there's two hallways flip the fucking coin go go go left and then it's like oh god we got three we'll go with it just you know pick a random like you could have comedy and drama mixed in but then you have like serious ones where you're about to get into a fight with gabriel and it's like what weapon do you use and he actually has to just roll the fucking dice and if it ends up with like you know one is knife two is gun three is rifle that sort of thing and it rolls a one and you're just like all right you're just you're basing off entirely a chance to run away with it we actually tried to talk about this with the task master we brought it up when we were talking about black widow it's how we did that theoretical movie that will never happen because they didn't have the balls which is the black widow prequel movie with hawkeye and then task master is just the most scenario they have to defeat in that film not even kill bring him back it would be fun but the he's dominating against hawkeye he's dominating against black widow but they've gotten to know each other so well in their aims to kill each other that they can actually reflect each other's fighting styles and then they start switching in the middle of the fight continuously and task master can't account for is too confusing and then they fuck him up that would be fun this is the juice this is the this is the storytelling juice that you're looking for right like this is you you've set up a scenario now have now get creative with it fight have fun with it experiment it just seems like there's so many missed opportunities with this premise because even though the because the entity as a premise is really hard to account for but if you accounted for it you can end up with something awesome as a story what does it look like when you need human beings to subvert something that relies on human predictability is like well i don't know find ways to be unpredictable find creative ways to be unpredictable platoon just said they do the complete fucking opposite it's like luth is like we need to start thinking carefully it's like why wouldn't that be the most predictable thing yeah it's like it seems like what you need to do it's like i think you said a platoon right why would you say we need to think like it does no you need to think in a way that it looks like a clown yeah pretty much you need to think like a crazy man you need to be more unpredictable and it would just be so much fun to have like several scenarios where there's an easy obvious option and then they roll the dice and they're like oh shit we gotta i gotta come in through the roof now you're like just do it yeah exactly just do it yeah and that and that's cool right because it means that in order for them to win they have to get really uncomfortable they need to like embrace uncertainty that would agree that they're not used to and it wouldn't that be wasted because yes this this conversation start and end is the entity could be everywhere know everything it also might not be well we don't know what's real but we also don't know that things are not real it's like well should we all leave no because that might be what the entity wants all right okay let's go together likely would have they don't make a plan they talk about it but they don't make any plans to subvert the AI at all they just don't okay move on uh yeah they say that if the key grants control of the entity if that's what it does Gabriel is the last person who should have it because he's a big meanie so um i mean it seems at this point he's gone beyond being a man he seems like he's more he's like you know i mean throughout the film i was actually genuinely wondering it's like are you like a robot i thought they might reveal he's a terminator of some kind yeah and and i think for a while i was like no come on not permission impossible no but then it's like yeah but even the entity is kind of like beyond the scope of what they typically do in these films yeah in terms of like science fiction so yeah and he was in that weird coffin i don't know this is the robo coffin uh we'll see what that is at some point so then uh yeah then they're like all right let's do this and then there's this moment where they we go to the rooftop and Ethan and Ilsa are there and she's like i've never been here before he's like i haven't either and then they smile at each other and it's like i got a little concerned all this people sauce on that one all right wait hold on nah this has only been in the film for like three minutes so yeah going on um so yeah uh we're at the party it starts up and immediately uh you see the imagery of the eye and so i don't know if they wanted that to be a surprise for the audience but i mean if it wasn't a surprise paying any basic attention you should be like okay that's the entity yeah you see it with this big eye graphic no look at me everybody you remember this this all gets fucked up again so grace has been hired by the white widow to deliver the key and get paid grace is here to deliver but gabriel heads are off and basically tries to get it to give the key to him when he is waiting to be operated as through the broker that is the white widow to get his key yeah why are you fucking all of this up why don't you do that yeah why did it oh my god why did he do that and then he says i'm not here for the key let me tell you a story how your story ends let me buy you a drink and maybe we can change it like what is this even is like accepting that this is the thing he chooses to do which he shouldn't because it's stupid but let's assume that this is the kind of tactic he wants to pull you can find a way of of justifying that he already knows the broker has one half of the key right so that's accounted for you can kill her at some point in the future whatever get the key but if he's going to try and subvert captain karta i keep getting a bloody name grace that's the one if you're going to try and subvert her why haven't you done this already because you already know all of this stuff and you've had plenty of opportunities to capture her and do it already and then you could have got the key from her way before now you could have maybe staged another meet with the broker you could have got the key a different way all of this could have been done at any other time in the film and it's not been done because they just didn't think of that yet so it's always that he's planting the idea of not trusting ethan right well it backfires completely and then do you say like ah but that was the intention i mean how many times i'm gonna say that was the intention before you consider the more plausible option which is that they can't i just can't because of how this story ends he's screaming ethan to the camera no but the entity with his floppy eye has gone good good yes actually i wanted you to scream ethan so unless it's all a bit to trick ethan into going to the entity and at the end of part two the entity is like the emperor and he tries to convert ethan to the dark side and he will be the new apprentice well then when he says i'll never join you he starts shitting electricity out of the motherboard yeah he just snaps ethan don't you see you don't want anyone to die and that's what i offer yabriel is looking back and forth between ethan and the mother board no ethan though Gabriel is ethans dad it's actually a big reveal for the second film oh wow i can believe it there's a timeline yeah so ethans going there you find out if he can get access to the information regarding what the key does whether or not they'll be able to get the key off grace get grace i'll get the other half of the key this is all up in the air they don't know yet so ethan's going in as ethan to do that why is ilsa going in with him as ilsa why i don't know it literally only ends up as leverage bad leverage for the bad guy so why not go in as a masked person the films keep forgetting the masks are like so really amazing if she went in undercover she could then subvert anything that they try to do at any point instead she just becomes a target and she has to get out yeah that's so annoying and the security cameras above the door and they're really obvious and yeah they get caught straight away disguised yeah what was the plan just walk in and yeah that was it and hope it was literally that and it sucks they usually plan out everything welfare ahead and then things go wrong and they have to react that's the way the mission well films usually remember remember how in mission impossible one how much time is spent on the plan uh just to get into the uh into the that party get into the security area like how much effort was put into a relatively like compared to the crazy stakes in these films like a relatively like normal sort of situation for spies and this is it's good to see that planning and and those conversations yeah that's like fun that's a lot of the fun is seeing these little plans get you know enacted and stuff in situations that i can actually sort of understand and have really sort of almost relate not like relatable stakes but like believable stakes stakes that aren't absurd well oh i thought like there's so many options in terms of plans is there even a point going through them or should we just acknowledge the fact that they didn't give a fuck like whatever because the fact is they could try they're still using their digital tech could they hack into the the room did they just send Ethan in and get him to put trackers on people or to listen into conversations to do anything to figure out anything because they don't even find out the widow has the key until they're in there right and it's like maybe you could have found a different way to get access to information like that anything subversive and spy like your spy movie but okay do it um he starts talking to grace and he says you're not unique there was a woman 30 years ago her name was Marie the first of many women who i think it was Maria or Maria i can't remember actually but first of many women who trusted our friend and had something he wanted women in over their heads or so he tells them then Grace is like what happened to her he says same thing that happens to all the women he uses same thing for anyone who touches that key he doesn't care whether people live or die he only cares about his objective the only thing standing in his way is you it's such a like what the fuck is going on like i get could be lying but like why is he trying this avenue it's so absurd you like why is he trying to offer the his angles better when all he's done is kill loads of people and try to fuck her up the whole movie like it's one of those weird moments where it's just like yeah i guess you're trying to convince me not to trust Ethan a man who has actually uh tried to help her several times yeah quite a bit yeah and then on a meta level it's like did you want us to believe this even vaguely and unfortunately it's something that Ethan begins to think about all the women that have died as a result of him um i kind of want to just jump ahead to that quick moment because it isolation is connected to this Ethan does have a have a brief moment when he's thinking about the mission and it flashes on screen lady from 30 years ago we know nothing about someone else we'll get to that in a minute and uh then uh Grace because he's worried about what'll happen to her this film basically arguing that uh Ethan does actually think that he gets women killed by bringing them in into like the IMF or missions and stuff and it's like wow first of all not true second you didn't mention the girl from the second or the third movie you didn't you didn't throw in the wife i know that she didn't die even a universe they're afraid to reference the second movie is having him he thought he watched his wife die as a result of being connected to him that was a huge event in the third movie then there's the girl Kerry Russell who did die and then there's the one from Mission Impossible 2 that nearly died from like a blood cancer that he brought her in to deal with but none of them get a get a little little mention there bit lame the only ones that are shown are all from this movie kind of strange oh well um and then uh uh he says nothing anyone says is true and his promise is to protect you aren't true either so um i guess yeah he's just trying to make Ethan seem untrustworthy from Grace's POV it does absolutely nothing to affect that though either he failed or it was always meant to have the reverse effect because 5D chess is being played all right uh and then again like i've been trying to highlight this because man i don't know what happened with the dialogue in this film and some people have been saying that all Mission Impossible films have bad dialogue no wrong it might be true that there may be a bad piece of dialogue in all of the films but or a lot of yeah if he there's plenty of yeah there's going to be plenty of bad dialogue and like the franchise but there's also plenty of good dialogue in the franchise well yeah and just this one is particularly bad um Gabriel looks at Ethan says ah it's been a long time Ethan that Ethan goes you should have killed me when you had the chance oh i haven't heard that in a million movies before not only is that one of the most generic lines ever what are you talking about Ethan i don't even know what you're talking about there was a time where he could have killed you i guess you know like that doesn't work for us we're just like oh sure that went fine and it's it is absolutely from the book of i have no dialogue for my character what should i have them say and it's like this this will work i think they do they slightly top it though in terms of cringe dialogue in the same scene when the reveal that the um the entity is is present so like the interested party arranged this party in fact you could say this party is the interested party that is probably the worst line in the movie because they say party like four times they're very proud of themselves we're gonna have a party um so then Grace does a sort of signal with with her eyes to Ethan and uh at the time i had no idea what she wanted him to do depends on Ethan detected entirely what she wanted him to do he needs to bump into one of the guards to then prompt the guards to attack him so then it gives her an excuse to say no and then that will prompt the white widow's brother to grab her so that then she can put pocket the key she currently has into his pocket for safekeeping that's what she signaled by looking with her eyes that whole thing i i i didn't grasp that at all but Ethan did apparently he's a clever guy i guess he knew what she meant but just to be clear the stakes of this exchange are such that i'm not sure this is the kind of thing you want to leave up to the interpretation of a glance but you know spy i am p when she does that i was like why aren't you just giving the key to the white widow she hired you you want money does that change now what's going on what is i mean i don't know evil man was kind of like evil man and white widow aren't on the same team as far as she knows yeah as far as yeah yeah yeah actually she's only here for money right completely you still miss miss i want money person so what's going on why is she doing that i don't know she should be when she sees the white widow and the white widow says of course i hired you i hired you personally she'd be like oh fucking great here's the key why am i money now i should go i want out of this crazy nightmare um yeah and so the white widow says uh as i have to remind you i'm the broker i connect a buyer and seller for money and sometimes information i just want everyone to be happy although it was interesting because uh especially after rewatching fallout does uh ethan hunt remember that she's got a direct connection with the cia and she informs for them well yeah that's what he was told that but like and that doesn't that does come up in this movie but not until way later i was really surprised that he didn't seem to mention any of that when the cia currently want him that seems like something you should probably keep in mind but oh well that's a case of this movie forgetting the history of the movie before like one movie ago like i said they remember it later because when the kitchen had his conversation happens he mentions it but it's like why was why wasn't ethan mentioning any of this why was there are no plans yeah the movie was so much exposition not much planning uh so yeah she says the world is changing truth is vanishing and war is coming it's like okay uh yeah and then she says the ilsa says whoever you give the key to will be forever in your debt but whoever you don't will forever be your enemy but it was like oh i like her i thought was weird because most of the time the i like them comments is usually from someone who's been in the show so to speak longer than the person they're saying it about sort of like reflect something of a of a preference for the audience like you know like we the references of like um or doing it with captain marvel on doing it with finn is the other examples in these but it's like hey white widow you haven't even been here anywhere as long as ilsa has it's like it's just so she should be saying she likes you but nobody should like the white widow because she's quite evil uh admits she's doing this to keep herself safe and to make money but um she's cool right what is that well it's yeah like okay so uh yeah they they uh they start trying to figure out who's working for who and who wants what and who has what and uh that's when the line comes in and uh i've got to make quotes now to make sure everyone understands how great this is they ask what the relationship is between white widow and gabriel she says gabriel represents another interested party in fact this party was arranged by that interesting party you could even say this party is that interested party that is the full bit it just because the ai has that weird little audio cubes way to g