But I can't ask our supporters to volunteer their time and donate their resources if we don't have a clear path to victory. Accordingly, I am today suspending my campaign. Winston Churchill once remarked that success is not final. Failure is not fatal. It is the courage to continue that counts. You heard that right. The campaign of the candidate once hailed as the future is now defunct. Ron DeSantis has dropped out of the 2024 presidential race and endorsed Donald Trump like the bootlicking cuck that he is and he managed to embarrass himself just one last time by misquoting Winston Churchill. Now, it's not the fake quote that makes this so funny. What makes it especially hilarious is that the quote that he used is actually attributed to Bud Light. As Newsweek explains, a 1939 edition of Life magazine found on Google Books shows the ad from Budweiser which includes the quote used by DeSantis on Sunday. Newsweek reached out to DeSantis' campaign via email for further comment. The accidental use of the quote by DeSantis comes after he repeatedly criticized Bud Light and Budweiser's parent company Anheuser-Busch after they partnered with Dylan Mulvaney, a transgender influencer and activist. Oh, we know Newsweek. We know. How ironic. I feel like this is the universe's way of humiliating DeSantis just one last time, not like he really needed any help because if you'll recall, this campaign was a disaster from the very beginning and this is because he decided for some reason to launch his campaign during a Twitter Spaces event. Let's look back at how bad that was. Yeah, I think we've got just a massive number of people online, so it's servers are straining somewhat. Elon is sitting next to me and we want to welcome you to this historic Twitter Spaces event and more broadly at first in the history of social media. Well, I am running for president of the United States to lead our great American combat. That is how Ron DeSantis chose to launch his presidential campaign. I mean, even if everything went smoothly, it'd still be a bizarre choice, but it did not go smoothly and that kind of set the tone for the entire campaign. And I say this because he became a laughing stock for a number of reasons really quickly and typically presidential candidates, they want to go viral, but DeSantis went viral multiple times, albeit for all the wrong reasons, case in point. And I will not let you down. See, humans, I too have emotions. A lot of people speculated that like that was one of his aides telling him that he needs to smile more and then him just like not knowing how to do that in a really organic way. So just trying to shoehorn in a smile and that's that's the result. It's just it's beautiful, not his face, but the result, the overall essence of that was beautiful, just hilarious. But while most people probably remember that as the most humiliating moment for DeSantis, I actually think that this moment takes the cake. Are you the type of person like I have people around me that love to say, hey, Pat, you got something between your teeth.   You know, hey, Pat, do this. Hey, pull one of your socks is lower than the other one. I'm sure your marketing team points out how they're trying to troll you in the marketplace. Okay, I'm sure they're doing that. Can you bring this one clip? I know you were on what do you call it on? What was it? Bill Maher and Bill Maher talked about the boots. I've seen you walk with these boots. Go ahead and play this clip. This on TikTok went viral. It doesn't have a million views. It doesn't have, you know, 10 million views. This thing's got 1.2 million likes and some people are wondering. What are they? I don't even know. I haven't seen that. They've not shown this to you. Okay, what they're trying to say with this is that in your boots, you have heels. No, no, no. Those are just standard off the rack. How tall are you? How tall are you, governor? 5'11". Okay. Why don't you wear tennis shoes and dress shoes? Brutal. Just absolutely brutal. And the irony here is that the man who everyone is accusing of wearing high heels is the same man who banned drag in Florida. And to add another layer to the cringe, he is presumably wearing high heels because he is insecure about his height. It's just so humiliating. Like this is actual cringe where you feel first-hand embarrassment for somebody else, but these embarrassing moments that kept coming were all self-inflicted. Remember, there was the report about him eating pudding with his fingers, which was pounced on by Donald Trump's teen, who then subsequently turned that report into an ad, not to mention his beef with Disney that blew up in his face in the middle of his campaign last year. But aside from all of the embarrassing moments, he also made a lot of oopsies during his campaign.   His team also released ads bragging about his fascist policies that he produced that went viral because of how scathing the criticism was that he chose to boost. And I was in some of these ads literally just produced some of the harshest, most draconian laws that literally threatened trans existence. What's your reaction to that video? You know, it really feels like we're living in the twilight zone sometimes, not just because it's very bizarre to see yourself in an ad for a presidential candidate, but because the presidential candidate is taking clips where people are saying he's a bad person, and then they're boosting those. They're saying, look, this is what they're saying about him. Vote for him. He's a bad person, see? What?  Now, I think that Tim Miller of the Bulwark put it best when explaining the absurdity of these viral ads. He writes, given the context, the inclusion of Figurato's line about how DeSantis' policies literally threatened trans existence is deeply disturbing, that this line would make it into a product put out by one of the leading contenders for the presidency is a scandal. It ought create a total and complete repudiation from the campaign just to have any hope of surviving. Say what you will about Mitt Romney's 47% gaffe. It pales in comparison to suggesting that you want to pass laws that literally threaten the existence of a marginalized class of Americans like it's a good thing. And I completely agree with that. I mean, imagine how the right would react if a Democratic candidate, for example, featured a critic in an ad who accused them of threatening the existence of Christianity with their policies as if that were a good thing. They would lose their minds. But when it comes to trans people, DeSantis is basically boasting about the fact that he's a monster and he wants to own it. But that type of language, like this cruelty is not going to resonate with people outside of Florida or it's not going to work as well as it does in Florida. And part of the reason why he was successful in Florida is because in his own state, he can have this perfectly controlled curated image where the media and the government in that state is on his side. But I mean, the second that you leave Florida, this image that you try to project, it falls apart.  So that's why everything kind of crumbled around him. Now, what's even more astonishing is the fact that the media wanted to prop up DeSantis at the start, because even though liberal pundits, for example, might not necessarily like him, they prefer him to Trump because they view him as less dangerous than Trump, even though I disagree with that. But with that in mind, you would think that there would be some level of trepidation from liberal pundits, at least after he announced the end of his campaign. But not really.  And their insight into why he lost was actually spot on. So I want to give you a couple of examples here. The political obituary is almost too easy to write. He was a bad candidate. He had a lousy message and a truly terrible campaign. But maybe it wouldn't have made any difference because this says so much about the Republican Party as well. He calculated that if he moved to the right of Donald Trump on the cultural issues, that somehow he could be Trumpism without Trump. But the problem is the Republican base wanted Trump. They wanted the show. You have a choice. You have to pick a lane. And Donald Trump had the Magalane, had the extreme Magalane.  And you had Ron DeSantis saying, I'm going to go to Vegas and I'm going to fill that lane. Right? Why? Why? Like if you can't, if that lane is already filled, then do the Beatles. If you can't do the Beatles, do Dylan. If you can't do the Dylan, be fifth dimension. Be anybody. But don't try to be Fat Elvis. They got that on the strip. A lot of it. They got a lot of it. You know, Ron DeSantis spent a lot of time in the run up to the primaries and caucuses getting underway, going after wokeism, going after targets like Walt Disney. And at the end, he went from Space Mountain to It's a Small World. I mean, it just did not work. And I wonder, does that message really just not resonate with Republicans as much as maybe folks think on social media and the sort of towel snapping corners of the far right? It just doesn't resonate with voters. No, that's exactly right. Especially here in New Hampshire.  You know, we like government to be smaller and out of the way, let businesses run themselves. And that was what was always fascinating to me is that, you know, I think Ron DeSantis and his team early on may have misread the room. They kind of thought their support was going to come from the hardest of hardcore Trump supporters. But in reality, he was picking up, you know, a lot of the non Trump supporters, the non Trump voters, folks who were a little bit more centrist or even center right. And yet he was still moving to the right to try to outmaneuver Donald Trump ideologically for Iowa. You know, they made this miscalculation early on in the campaign that somehow they had to, you know, deal a death blow to Donald Trump in Iowa, which is a caucus state low turnout affair, the hardest of hardcore party activists participate in it. And so in order to try to even have a chance there, they had to move to the right, which really killed all of his appeal to the independent voters and then moderate Republican voters. He would need a state like New Hampshire where you do have a plethora of other voters to target that aren't so committed to supporting Donald Trump. And I'll just add one one other quick thing. The other thing we don't talk about enough is that Ron DeSantis try to say, I am Trump without the drama and that I can beat Joe Biden. He'll lose to Joe Biden. Well, the electability argument went out the window when poll after poll started showing that Trump was leading Biden in a lot of these key swing states. A lot of voters said, well, if that's the case, I'm not going to go with New Coke. I'm just going to go with the original because I seem to like that enough. And that guy I think can win. Yeah. I mean, I think that everything they're saying here is perfectly reasonable. And I think it's funny to see mainstream media drag somebody who was really appealing to the mainstream because he was this alternative to Trump. But to this point that he tried to be Trump without the baggage, well, the editorial board of the Miami Herald in his home state obviously explained specifically why he failed after being poised to be the person that was supposed to save the GOP from Trump. They write it's not just that he was steamrolled by Donald Trump. DeSantis never appeared to want to save the GOP. He was more interested in making it a more ravenous, angrier and intolerant party that worked for Trump, but didn't work for the governor with all the charisma of burned toast.  But it's well deserved. Now it's not just that he came off as inauthentic and lacked charisma. He also just ran a bad campaign full stop. Or as Politico put it, his campaign team ran the worst campaign in history. And they argue, start with an indisputable fact. At the beginning of 2023, Governor Ron DeSantis was in first place, ahead of former President Donald Trump. Then acknowledged that the DeSantis campaign and Super PAC raised more money than any other campaign, including that of the former presidents. Many in the GOP billionaire class gushed over DeSantis, promising to spend whatever it would take to vanquish the former president. What could go wrong? Well, everything. And the article goes on to talk about his lack of strategy and whatnot. But this paragraph in particular that explains why the hype died down is especially ruthless and I want to read it to you. Quote, The candidate did not match the hype. He was less than advertised. In person, he was a diminutive politician. The campaign introduced him to the nation as a bright but socially awkward introvert, a nerd who did not enjoy people, which was a problem since photos tend to be people. Now, in my opinion, it's not just that he's socially awkward and introverted because there are many people who I know even who are socially awkward and introverted who don't come off the way that Ron DeSantis comes off. In my opinion, not to play armchair psychiatrist here, but I'm going to do it anyway, he comes off as a sociopath if not outright psychopathic. And I'm not saying that to be a hyperbolic.  I think that it's reflected in not just his behavior and his personality, but in his priorities and policies as well. It's not just that he has no regard for the pain and suffering that he inflicts on people in his state, but he seemingly relishes in it. And this makes him a bad salesperson for fascism, because in order to win over the normies, which is the goal, if you want to be president, fascists have to convince the masses that the stakes are much greater. And there's some sort of an existential threat that they have to oppose. And he just didn't construct that narrative or any narrative at all, nor did he have the ability to sell it, even if he wanted to even if he had a narrative.  Well, he's not the guy who they went with. Donald Trump had the entire base on Locke and normies went with Nikki Haley instead seemingly in the Republican side, if you consider any Republican to be a normie at this point, which is debatable. But even though he couldn't win over Americans, he did win over one person. Before we begin, I'd like to take time to congratulate Ron DeSantis and of course a really terrific person who had gotten to know his wife, Casey, for having run a great campaign for president. He did. He ran a really good campaign, I will tell you. It's not easy. They think it's easy doing this stuff, right? It's not easy. But as you know, he left the campaign trail today at 3 p.m. and in so doing, he was very gracious and he endorsed me. So I appreciate it. He did it. He managed to win back daddy's approval and because he kissed the ring, big things are happening. For example, Trump made this announcement to reward Ron for being a good boy. And there it is. Look, it may seem trivial to the rest of us who aren't in this cult, but Trump giving DeSantis the opportunity to redeem himself after being insufficiently loyal to him by running against him gives him the opportunity to still have a career. Without Trump's blessing, that might not be a possibility. He might lose his next reelection in Florida. Now, this is going to help him with the right, right? Maybe in the future, Trump giving him the green light to continue to be a Republican politician might help him in a future GOP primary. But I think that he shit the bed so bad that I can't imagine any future presidential campaign not being DLA because you have to win over more than just Republican fascists. And he didn't just not do that. He made so many embarrassing mistakes that I feel like he just can't recover, right? So I'm glad his campaign is over. But as Melanie DeRigo put it, it shouldn't be because he should be forced to carry his campaign to term. Precisely, we should force him to endure the pain and humiliation even longer.


Welcome everyone, this is Jenkins Governance Board. It's the 14th of July or as a reminder, we operate by the Jenkins Code of Conduct. Be nice to each other. Thanks very much. So here's what I've got for topics, news, spokesperson for the Jenkins Board, discourse evaluation status and LFX security V2 adoption project. Any other topics we need to add to the agenda today? Very light possibility of chatting about the voting, I don't know what it's called, ratings for releases. Oh, okay. If we have time and we feel like it at the end of this. Yeah, let's put it there. So ratings for releases. Okay, good. Any other topics? Nope. Okay. Great, then we'll go through the news topics very, very quickly. So Jenkins 2.289.3 is coming in two weeks. Today is slated on the calendar as the day for the release candidate. I suspect it'll be one or two days late. I believe Tim Giacomo is out of the office right now, but Il Defonso Montero has agreed to be the release lead and has started running the release checklist. So we're, I feel comfortable with it and confident. He's got the checklist here and is checking off items. For me, the release lead process of sharing is working great. Next LTS baseline selection is slated for today. And I'm not ready for that conversation yet. So I'll start the email list discussion today. And the candidates, one of the last three releases are the likely candidates. Did 300 ever get properly released? Well, it's released, but it's still not visible in the repository in the usual location. Still in the weird limbo with J-Fro. Exactly. So that alone would make me concerned about making 300 the LTS, but it should be fixed before that happens, right? Well, and for me, there were interesting and useful changes in 301 and 302 that lobby that I think we should go with at least 301 and probably with 302. So 300 as just a security release means that it's content-wise actually one week further behind than you might expect because no other changes except security go into a security release of a weekly. So. Makes sense. Next topic was Google Summer of Code. We've got phase one mentor and student evaluations due this week. And there will be a webinar next week that Kara Delamarco will coordinate to present the five Jenkins projects that are running Jenkins projects in Google Summer of Code, plus one project from, I think it's from Spinnaker. So looks good. We've had several releases of GSOT code already and more are expected. Contributor Summit was the last topic and I've still got the action item to summarize action items. The videos have already been posted and are available. I just got to go through and do the action item and roadmap updates. Any questions on any of those news items? Great. Okay, next topic. Gavin Spokesperson for the board. Do you want to lead that discussion? Yeah, okay. So we got an email what two weeks ago just after the last meeting about a spokesperson. There was a talks about doing a interview for DevOps radio, but I suspect I'd never got around to replying. So I suspect that already passed. But Alyssa wanted to have someone who could be the spokesperson for potential future releases and everything else with that. None of the board has replied. So I don't think anyone is necessarily excited to volunteer to do it. We could look for someone in the community that's interested in doing it. I could totally do it if we need to have someone who no one else wants to do it, but I don't think it's necessarily something that I strongly want to do. I think this is nothing one from the board needs to do because I think most of these questions are related to, I think Jenkins core development. So maybe it's helpful to post on the death list as well. Yeah, I agree. Cause I don't know a lot of other than the status meetings. I don't know a lot about what goes on in core. So. The same is for me. So I'm a plugin developer. I know a lot of my plugins, but I don't know what the plans for a core or for any other plugins. So maybe it's would be good if we have someone with an overseen of a lot of parts of Jenkins. Yeah, and I definitely can because I do a lot of support work. So I keep an eye on things, but not to a lot of degree. Yeah, see, Gavin, I would think that your experience supporting many different users gives you actually quite a broad view, but I also understand, Hey, you may say, oh, I, I'm not sure for me, your title as a member of the board makes it, makes it much more credible. Yeah, no, like I said, I have no problem doing it. I think I'd be fine doing it. I don't think it'd be caught off guard anywhere. I'm just not sure I want to have interviews a lot. They're stressful. So yeah, I'm, I'm totally like I said, I'm totally on board doing it. I just, yeah, I'm trying really hard not to over commit myself as well. Great. But if this is like once a year or twice a year type thing, this is also not a big deal. And I'm, I'm quite confident that it's a low frequency event. I think Tracy, when she was speaking as voice would typically maybe every six months in the most demanding times and more likely every year to 18 months. Yeah. So maybe, okay, let's put it this way. If, if no one else wants to do it, I'll totally be the spokesperson. I'm cool with that. Any of the release team members may have a strong idea on that as well. But they may be a little bit too focused on core. It may be nicer to be broad. That's, but that's a, I think that's an interesting idea. Maybe, maybe what you want is to offer, hey, I'll act as the lead. And if you'd like to talk to additional people we'll bring in members of the release team. Yeah. Good. Yeah, because- This email came in the middle of the heat wave and then it just got slowly further and further down that email list. So. Right. Yeah, so I think let's take it as a, at least for me, I'd say we take it with you as spokesperson and bring others in as needed. Yeah, that sounds good. Okay, on the DevOps radio opportunity I just got asked today about that one. It's apparently still available. Okay. So I mean, either you or I could do that one because we did both get asked. I'm cool dude. I've been interviewed by them before and I think you have as well. So they're good people. Yeah. And happy to participate there. All right. Gavin willing, Mark willing. Absolutely. And Uli, I assume if we wanted to bring you into this if we had a topic on UI or on the experience of developers or even your university work, I assume you'd be willing to participate. Yes, of course. But typically if someone is talking about core I really don't know what's going on. So I'm just consuming. Right. And that's great. As far as I'm aware, Uli is the only person who's still active on the UX thing. So there's that as well. Yeah. Yeah. And very grateful for his work there. The looking forward to Simon's Simhoven's work on that, the recent enhancements. Yeah. All right. So no, I know it's way off topic, but your PR for your, your JavaScript to remove jQuery. I did update it. I think it works now. Thank you. And I will, I will eventually run through that interactively again. Thanks very much for doing that, Gavin. Anything else on the spokesperson for the board? Okay. So let's, I'm going to put that as a decision. Call for a vote. So can I see a thumbs up? Plus one. Okay. So we have plus one, Mark, Uli, to call it plus one, but yes. Yeah. Okay. All right. Great. Thank you. I want plus 0.5, 0.75. Oh, as you wish. If you, if you wish to, all right. All right. Great. Anything else on spokesperson? Okay. Next topic then discourse evaluation. So, Gavin, this is probably one where you've got the most experience. What's your sense so far? Do we need to discuss it? Is it just proceeding? I would have loved Livia to be here for this. For the most part, I think it's going pretty well. Most of the people who have interacted with it have said positive things. I'm going to draft up another email, probably tonight, maybe later this week to blast still the mail list again and telling people that we need more content. I think part of the early problem is we've both over created categories and under created categories. And it's really hard to create categories to categorize posts until we have posts to start categorizing. Some people are also saying we shouldn't have, it's hard to post things unless there's a category for them. So it's kind of this weird back and forth where someone's like, I want this created first, but then we're like, oh yeah. So I think what I'm going to do is I'm going to write up a post and just say, we want people to start posting as many things as they can. I don't care what it's about. We might even make like an off topic category and just say everything goes in there that you don't know where else to put it. There's actually an off topic, an uncategorized category, but nobody likes that one. So we're not going to, that way we can get as much content on there as we can and see what the use cases are. So maybe we went too heavy in the contribution section. Maybe we don't have enough categorization in using. Maybe we want to have a new one, whatever else. But the more we can content, we can get in there of any sort, the better it will be for everybody. That being said, I don't know if there's official buy-in yet. So I'm just going to keep blasting and see what people say and give feedback. But I'm very happy with it. It's very nice to have everything in one place. I don't have to, you know, look at different mail lists and different chat rooms and different everything. One thing that I think is missing for me is to get some more notifications when someone posts something new. So currently I need to go to the browser and open this community side. And I need to see what's new. But normally I'm focused on your mails by popping up some indicator that something new is there. And this is currently missing at least on my desktop. On my iPad I get these notifications. But it's not on the desktop. So this is something, you know, it would be helpful. Are we okay putting screenshots in this note, Mark? Absolutely. Do you want to do this quickly? So I can walk you through it as I talk? Sure, yeah. So if you go to community.drenkins.io right now. So essentially every time you have a problem with discourse, it turns out they've already solved it and it's awesome.  So here, oh no, on my face. So here there is settings. I don't know where the settings is. Preferences. I have second and last one. Okay, got it. So there is a notification section on the right-hand, left-hand side. And then, yeah, if you scroll down, I think it's either that or it's in categories. Okay, it is in categories then. In here, you can actually, so everyone by default has watched as a default announcement as a default category. So everyone will get blasted if we ever paste something into announcement. But you can put any other categories you want in here. I haven't quite figured out if you can do it like top-level categories or all sub-categories. I personally don't think watch is the best plan. I think what you want to put it under is tracked. Now, what's different between tracked and watched? No, sorry, watching first post is the one I was talking about. So watching first post is the one I have set. So I've set every category to watching first post. So that means if any post you get in that category, or sorry, any new post in that category gets created, you get an email for it. Then you can choose to go watch that category or if you reply to it, you ought to watch it and you'll get emails for it from then on, right? So that's what I want. And then that way I don't have, I think some of the categories I specifically didn't want, but yeah, that to me is what I wanted. But it's all customizable. You can control how much you get notified, how much it goes to emails, how much is web notifications, that kind of thing. So I thought this might be a screenshot we might want to put in notes. Yeah, that's great. Okay, so let me just grab a, I mean, it's also in the, it's now in the recording. So let me grab a copy of it and like that. This is what you're talking about, right, Yuli? Yeah, that's fine, that's missed. Yeah, it's interesting every time we, sorry. It's every time we've gone to say, oh, I wonder if we can do this. Like, I wonder if we can manage categories. Oh, it turns out we can. I wonder if we can manage tags. Oh, it's easy and it's done here, you know? They've really done a really good job of making this design for discussions. So, and we even had our first spam this week. It caught it right out of the box.  And because of the default says, like your first posts on the board can't have more than a certain number of links or certain number of certain words, it immediately detected it and it never showed up for users. It was great. That's wonderful. Yeah. So that's better than the mail list that gets spam once every week or every other week. Yeah, that's a big victory, nice. So, Gavin, you'll take the next step then and send further promotional mail. I'll do one more blast and then we'll see if we want one more after that. All right, excellent. Thank you. I'm very excited. Anything else on community.jankins.io? No. Okay, next topic was the LFX Security V2 Adoption Project. So, Olivier and is working with connecting the Jenkins Infra projects to LFX Security. He's provided several sample repositories to be scanned and he intentionally selected repositories using different technologies so that we would have that the sample would cover several different languages and several different styles. In addition to that, discussions are continuing with SNCC and the Linux Foundation for their V2 work to better support Jenkins. And this specifically is things like understand the dependencies inside an HPI or a JPI file inside a plugin, HPI slash JPI because right now we get a whole raft of false positives based on their current scanning. Any questions on LFX Security V2? Okay, next topic then, ratings for releases. So Gavin, I'm gonna embed a picture on this one because there may be people who don't know what this is. You're okay if I do that and you can start the discussion about the idea or about the topic. If you go to the community site again, which you are in, there's a link in the discussion already there, which that's good. Oh, good. Okay, great. So your third tab. And you say here. Yeah, it's that one. So I said I'd bring it up in the meeting if you scroll to the top of this post. Great. I don't have an idea what to do for this but it is something that I think the board should be involved with. So I think it really needs an owner and a maintainer. So if you scroll up to the top of this post. Okay. So this is what we're talking about here. We're essentially, for any given issue, anyone can report any community report issue they want. It is a five-line PHP script or 10-line PHP script. You can submit any piece of data you want, which means that there's no real sanity checking on them. It doesn't really say whether or not an issue is open for that version or if it's an old version or a new version, that one version likes to get tagged and pretty much every release but isn't related. So it's a huge mess. I don't think there's any immediate way to solve this because as I said in the discussion, if you make it harder for people to submit, less people will submit. If you make it easy to submit, more garbage comes in. So I think this is something that actually needs to be planned out by someone who wants to volunteer and take it and that it's not me, but I think it needs to be done by someone. I'm thinking at some point, it may even just be not worth displaying it in the current state. Like if we are getting to the point where our data is so bad, it may not be even worth displaying it in the data. Another option is that I was thinking about is every time we have release notes, it could go to discourse and people could just comment on it. So those are like some ideas, but even so I think this needs to be a bigger and more defined project. And I think it needs to get on some sort of plan because right now it's, again, it's written 10 years ago, right? Right, good insight. So it's the system, the system accepts anything. And I put a link in my reply to it at the very bottom. It's like, it literally is like a six line, 10 line JavaScript code. Yeah, so it just takes in whatever you want and submits it. Oh, sorry, not anything. It has to be a JIRA ticket that starts with Jenkins or the Hudson. Okay, all right. So it will throw away if I just put in the number 1234, but if I do Jenkins-1234, it will accept it. Yeah. As we can see by this one where Jenkins 8.815 is certainly not a relevant issue in 2.289.2. Excellent, okay. Yeah, so I don't have any plans, but I do think this needs to be revisited by people. Yeah, so this is one. So now is this something where you could envision it being a reasonable first issue? I'm assuming not because it's got infrastructure things and data accepting things. I think the discussion, it's a split between implementing and designing. I think a first person would be totally cool with designing it. I think a first person could be totally cool to implement it. I don't think it'd be cool for a new person to do both because it is overwhelming to do both. So I see what you're saying. So designer implementation might be a good first project for someone. Yeah, it could be a really great student project. It's not a complex system. It doesn't need a lot of moving parts, but it has to be thought out. Right. We could also just trick our Tyler into doing it by saying the word rust three times. Okay, all right. He's, no. Got it, yes, right? Something in, yeah, okay. Yeah, when I've discussed this with Daniel Beck, his observation was, hey, the value of it is great enough that the spam has just not been worth us filtering. But I think you've got a good point, Gavin, that there might be a much better way to do it to get better information into the kit. Yeah, and I really just want to make the discussion happen. I don't know if there's necessarily a better way to do it or not. Right, okay. Let's be sure that my link there goes the right place. It does, good, okay, very good. All right, anything else on ratings for releases? What was not clear for me is, is it the stump up we are interested or is it the tier ratios we are interested in on this page? Or is it both? Actually, it's both. At least I've used it as guidance for both. So for instance, if we look at the history before 2.277.1, so before we did tables to divs, the ratios of sunshine to cloudy is quite different, right? So here you see it's about a 10 to one ratio of clouds to sunshine, one in 10. And so we did tables to divs and that number changed dramatically, right? Now it's about one in three. And tables to divs was a major change. So that's not a big shock, but for me that was an important piece of information. Oh, many more people had issues with this even with our webinars and with our upgrade guides and all those things, it was still lots and lots of issues. And so the ratio was interesting to me. The ratios have started to taper back now. But then we get this one where the number shows high again in terms of the ratios. And now the question is, and it's a valid question with numbers like Jenkins-2 and 2298, how valid is the data? Well, some of them, 10 times this one, that's actually a valid bug report. So many of the reports here are useful and valid. Yeah, and that's why I don't wanna get rid of it, but I also don't wanna put a barrier in front of doing it, but there has to be something to try to like, you know, maybe it can go in there and say, okay, if the issue you're submitting has not been touched in five years, it's probably spent, you know? Right, well, just flat out say number 123, 69, two, any of these are just flat out blacklisted, you know? Yeah, well, or to acknowledge if the issue is closed and you're flagging it here, it's probably suspicious. Yeah. All valid points for sanity checking, yep. Good, all right. Anything else there on the topic ratings for releases? Nope, just needs more thought. Okay. Yeah, I mean, it could be an addition to the roadmap, it certainly is a good thing.  I've got other things that matter much more to me than that one. Yep. Great, all right. Anything else that we should discuss before, go ahead. I was gonna say, I wonder if like a data scientist would be interested in some of this too, just to see if there's ways to not make it harder to submit, but either to report the legit data or some of that too. Yeah. Yeah, I think Oleg just messaged me saying he's gonna be on hiatus longer. Oh, okay, great. And did he give any indication? So we'll just note it in the notes that he will be out longer. End of July, he said. Okay, great, all right. Any other topics that we need to discuss today? Maybe not discuss today, but since we only have three people in the meeting, is this summer or because it's a bad time for people? Good question. Because there's only three last week too. It's quite in the mailing list as well. So maybe it's the summer. I suspect so, but it is worth again discussing, so. Yeah, so for the three of us, I'm gonna ask it slightly differently. Uli, is this time still workable for you as a time, as a meeting time? It's fine because now my children are in bed and I will control of my life. Excellent. Gavin, is this still a good time for you? Yeah. Okay, and this time is excellent for me. If we need to change to another time, I think we don't wanna lose those of us who are actively participating. I know Oleg, we know why he's out. I'm not sure, and it may be worth a question to Evelina to see if there's another time that would work better for her. Yeah. Yeah, I could do up to an hour earlier or then anytime later for the next like six or eight hours. So I'm pretty flexible this time of day. It just happens to be also my work sprint start day. So it's a little chaotic in the morning. Wow, yeah, okay. Not much earlier than an hour before this time. Yeah. And Uli, I assume that's the same for you that you're getting kids ready for bed. Yeah, we have dinner and then bring the kids to bed. So now they are in bed and now we have nine here. So that's pretty fun. Right, okay. Let's hold. I'm going to hope it's summer schedule and we'll look forward to it in the future. All right, thanks everybody. I'll post a copy of the recording after I get the recording process. Thanks very, very much. Bye. All right, thank you.


We are looking at how the political and economic elites reconcile the fact that on the one hand their countries are committed to the Paris Agreement, but on the other hand they continue extracting fossil fuels. And we are analysing how they talk about it, what discourses they use to bring these two things together. For this we looked at policy documents, at quotes in the media and other types of documents. For instance there is very technical, managerial language so you make it an issue that's expert and that's only about emissions and that makes it easy to say well we'll compensate so it's fine, we'll continue extracting and we will still meet climate goals. Another example is how in Colombia you see a new story about oil and gas being central core to the energy transition. Partly because of the revenues they generate and can facilitate investments for the energy transition. So the revenue question is really the one million dollar question because we know that renewable energy delivers energy access. We know about other technologies that can facilitate energy transition but governments in fossil fuel producing countries they can't get the same revenues from these technologies and these revenues are political capital, that's the way they keep in power. So this is really the core question here. In the Nigerian case it's that you see a bit of a discursive opposition between the old oil based economy which was all about the resource curse and exporting raw materials and not keeping much revenue in the country so now the discourse is about natural gas which is both an answer to the climate problem because it's a cleaner fuel according to these discourses and the answer to this economic aspiration of becoming a modernized industrialized competitive economy which relies on itself and its own production so natural gas in these discourses really helps square the circle in a way. Of course part of it is of challenging these discourses is really zooming into these inconsistencies and really asking so. What does it really mean? Does it really work? What is claimed in terms of energy specifics and emission specifics but on the other hand we also notice that is very much about development and the vision of development in the self imagery of the country and what the country wants to achieve on the international level, on the economic level for its population and basically we are working on thinking okay how can these needs and aspirations be also answered with an alternative development vision which is not based on fossil fuel extractives and a protection and doors on other assets.


Hi, I'm with Ross Wright, author of OET Skills Builder from Express Publishing and a freelance teacher and course book writer specializing in medical English, as well as being a trustee of IOTF. So plenty to keep you busy there. I wanted to ask you about how your overall approach in this past year and how that has affected the work you've been doing for teachers? Yeah, well at Express Publishing we launched the OET Skills Builder that you mentioned a couple of years ago now or maybe about a year ago and really that was in response to the demand from trainers and students for the OET. I don't know if you are familiar with OET? Yeah, I am, I know that it is being offered in Ireland and but tell me more about it because I think it's useful for people to have just a brief introduction. Sure, sure, yeah. So OET is the Occupational English Test and it's a test of English communication skills but in healthcare setting. So, you know, sort of that there are four papers so not dissimilar from other tests that people know but that's kind of where the similarity ends if you're comparing with IELTS or TOEFL or whatever. As I say, everything is set in a healthcare setting and the idea is is that you test healthcare professionals in 12 different areas of healthcare so that could be nursing, medicine obviously but also dentistry, podiatry and my favourite which is veterinary surgery which I would love to get into myself, I've not had the chance yet but I will hopefully. And as I say four papers I specialised in my particular book so our course has two books and I specialised in the writing and speaking sections of the test and my colleague Tom Fasnidge wrote the other book in the series which deals with the writing and listening. So writing and listening in format is similar to IELTS in the same, you know, similar sort of style of questions but as I say everything is in a healthcare setting and then with the writing and speaking it's very much orientated towards the specific needs of a particular healthcare professional so the test for nurses for example you'd have a role play what's specific for nurses and same with the writing. With the writing is generally a letter as opposed to something quite random that you might get in the IELTS for example so it might be a letter of discharge for example or a letter of transfer transferring a patient from one healthcare setting to another healthcare setting and that's sort of in general what the OET is about and as I say so you know in response to the needs of trainers this is what Express Publishing set about a couple of years ago and then the book was launched as I say last year and obviously healthcare has been at the forefront of everybody's mind in the last year the last two years or so so it's very pertinent in fact especially with you know with the need to hire increasingly more and more nurses whether that be in the UK or in Ireland in particular nurses but also doctors as well where both countries are heavily reliant on overseas healthcare professionals and so you know hospitals are continuously hiring from abroad but they need to obviously be sure that those nurses those doctors that they're hiring do have the level of English necessary in order to in order to take them on board and OET is a test that is recognised by and I'm just going to check my notes here by the Ireland by Ireland's medical council so that's for doctors and the nursing and medwifery board of Ireland okay so that's that's that's that's the relevance of the course book of course books rather there's two of them so yeah yeah and I think it's really important to have especially in those professions to be checking somebody's English on in a practical context as opposed to the kind of very generic context that they would get in another in another exam exactly exactly I mean it's all about patient not only about the patient and their diagnosis their prognosis their recovery but it's also about patient safety as well so it's ensuring that not only is there a good nurse patient a doctor patient rapport and to take them through that patient journey that patient experience but it's also ensuring that that it's done in a safe manner and communication skills are vital to that and so are there any kind of specific things that you would point to in the way that it's organised or put together to help teachers and schools kind of prepare the candidates adequately yeah yeah of course so the course books themselves in within you know within the the skills builder series are actually the only ones that exist for the moment um well I said no I am lying there is another one but I can't mention it's a different publisher but there are very few actual course books that you can use in the classroom there's a lot of self-study materials available but not much that the teachers can go in and use in the classroom whether that be online or face to face and so that's where our premise started in fact as opposed to just offering you know sort of tests that people can take we really wanted to help teachers train their candidates by you know by producing course books and so that was our premise that was our starting block but obviously we realise as well that there's an awful lot of teachers and trainers out there who have never worked in medical english you've never worked with healthcare professionals and are not really sure how to go about it so um if teachers are interested they can go on to the express website and there is um what we call teachers corner where they can go on and and find out more about the courses but also there's a little video for each of the two course books to explain not only the book but also the kind of rationale behind um what the test is is testing um so for example the the the the concept of um a patient patient-centered care is really key to understanding the role play and the criteria by which the students are um tested against so if you haven't understood what patient-centered care is then it's difficult for you then to train your candidates in order to be successful in the role play so in the little videos we give um trainers some tips and hints and we try to explain about the different criteria against which um their students will be marked so if that's in the reading or the listening skills or in in in my case in the reading and the speaking skills um so there's that so there's the course books there's um the uh the little videos and we also um have the course books also now um recreated as digi books the only problem is i'm not an expert in digi books so how that actually works um people have to go onto the website so there's a lot of um move towards kind of giving a digital option uh in course books so i'm sure people will will be familiar with the yes but i'm sure anybody watching is more familiar with that than i am so yeah but obviously with the move towards you know um increasingly more and more you know delivery of courses online um and also if you're you know if you're working with with students internationally you know i work with a lot of um international doctors who before they arrive in the in um in my case in the uk or um or it could be an island so um you know the need to be able to to deliver courses online is is just yeah how do the candidates feel about the process of uh training to to do this their OET and and then actually doing it do they find it a satisfying experience do they enjoy it if you can say that about an exam well actually actually they they they some of them do enjoy it i think i get the impression but they they they generally find it very beneficial because it's um it it's totally related to their field so as opposed to being sort of random as we mentioned earlier with something like high else where you could be asked any number of questions and it's very it it's difficult to prepare yourself for for the content whereas with um OET they already know the content um and and you know we have to remind them sometimes that it is a test of English and not a test of their clinical skills um and that is that is slightly different um and i know some some trainers struggle a little bit with that um that sort of insisting that it is a test of English and um and so you do have to train your students um to accept that for the beginning at the beginning as a concept and then um and then especially for the writing and speaking to actually give them strategies necessary to to overcome that in a way it's um it's a little bit different from from the tests but it does prepare them for the workplace so if they're coming to work in Ireland for example it really will prepare them in terms of the types of documents that they'll be coming um they'll need to be familiar with um the approach as I said earlier in terms of the the patient-centred approach which is not something that is um necessarily known throughout the world um before there would be a um a more traditional approach in used in in in Ireland for example where the the doctor is much more dominant in the role and the and the patient is very passive um and and that that sort of traditional model is sometimes used still in other countries so they need to be prepared for the workplace as and at the same time um do do well in the test um and so it's a sort of a dual purpose so it really is pure ESP as a test it really is English for specific purposes um and and and and and and preparing them for for the workplace as well does that make sense yes so the skills and the skills that we're we're talking about are professional skills as much as they are um English language skills exactly exactly I mean it's essentially um professional skills um but you know there's a lot of things involved in especially in the um in the OET speaking that help us in daily life as well because um you're going to be uh well the candidates are going to be judged on various aspects of their communication skills so empathy reassurance um and and and this kind of thing which are actually useful in in daily life as well um so how how to express empathy how to demonstrate that you're reassuring and that you're using active listening skills and and those are those are skills that are also useful and transferable into daily life as well yeah absolutely like kind of us um so for more information uh you mentioned the website a couple of times can you spell out the website for me there what is the which website are you directing us towards or where shall we look yes it's the um general website for express publishing so www.expresspublishing.co.uk okay great um and so my final question is because we're we're doing this in the context of the ELT Ireland annual conference this uh this February which we're glad to see back in person uh again why do express publishing support the ELT conference every year well I think you know um my understanding is that you know this is one of the major if not the major conference in Ireland and um and express publishing really feel that being part of this is is um is very key to um obviously to their um from from their side as a as a as a publisher but in really a means of meeting um trainers and um and giving having the chance to exchange with them find out their needs try and respond to to to their needs as far as as far as possible and really reaching out to to trainers um and I think you know this is this is a fantastic opportunity and obviously being face to face for the first time in a couple of years um um you know express is publishing is is really keen to participate in any way that it can that's great so we look forward to seeing them there um thanks very much for your time today uh Rod that was great to hear all about the ELT skills builder and what you've been working on thank you very much my pleasure


If you'd like, I can take notes below a line and we can have a section of above for questions that don't get lost. Sure. Yeah, that way we can, I can capture things so basically this. Yeah, you got exactly. Okay, so you should be good to go if you all want a separate recording of this. I will also record the chat. I can set that up as well while I'm in here. That'd be great. Okay. Actually, or I've made you the host again so you'll have to hit the record button. Okay, so do I just, I just go to record and then say in the cloud. Okay. And then, so that's a separate one. We'll actually transcode the stream after it's done and put it back on the site but this will actually give you access to the chat and everything else. And I can share that with you all after the fact. Awesome. Thanks. Oh, Jimmy, we are making you co host. Okay. Jimmy quick question. Are we expected to, to watch to see if there are any, I didn't look at the page recently or is there, are there going to be comments made on the web page as well or can we say safely ignore that. There could be comments made on the web page as well. Okay, so I'll grab that. But there will be an opportunity for people to actually join in, join the zoom. So, so there's either pad. Okay. So are we supposed to watch the website. Yeah, you might just keep an eye on the chat just to see if anything pops in. If a, if a new message comes in it should say, but I'll also put a message in there to direct people to the zoom if they want to participate. Does that work. Yeah, that'd be great. Or, or, or if they want to put in the etherpad. That's another option. Okay, cool. I will put both up. All right, have a good session. All right. So, so is it true that people can join either through the zoom or just on the website. If they just want to watch without participating. Is that how that works. I believe so. Okay, so then we don't really know the size of the audience. We won't really do much good if they're just participating that'll be dragged. I hope they all joined through zoom. Right. I'm going to go to that page also just to see if I can. Yeah, let's go to the page and just put in please participate directly through zoom. Yeah. That's in one minute. So let me share my screen now so that people know what this forum is about. Yes. Jimmy put it in already. The screen. Yes. The version that we're seeing has the slides on the left as well. Right. I'm trying to fix that. How about now. Perfect. So, so while I'm sharing a screen, I won't be able to check anything else like if the pad or anything. So I'm going to leave that to you guys. Okay. Sure. Ron, if you didn't already, can you click record. Oh, you did already never mind. I think we've started. We give it another minute to leave before we start. Yeah, sure. So, in case anyone is watching this from the website, we encourage you to join through the zoom meeting so that you can have a more an active participation with us. Yeah, we definitely want this to be a conversation. We have a fair number of people now. Should we Yeah, we can start. That's fine. Okay. We do you want to pick it up. Right. So, sure. So, so everyone welcome to the project series forum. And my name is Huilei and professor around Krieger and I will be moderating this forum together. So, so this project, basically this forum and project are associated with the open infrastructure labs. So let's briefly introduce that lab. And also while around and I talk with one to maybe say interactive conversation. So feel free to jump in and ask questions and make comments. Your presentation is meant to, to see the conversation right so feel free to jump in anytime you want. So, around. So, the general idea between open infrastructure labs. This was Michael described it in the keynote yesterday. The goal is to kind of bridge the gap between operators and open source developers to have a real cloud that the open source community has access to. We're creating prescriptive cloud in a box offerings that we operated for real, initially in the moc, then replicated to multiple clouds. So we're starting with academia and federated together, and to have the open source community have access to real cloud, be able to see the problems that operators are facing and operators be directly sort of eventually going all the way to, to integrating upstream code very rapidly into a cloud that people are actually using. And then this what we're doing is we're saying this is about one open source project this is about all the open source projects that are needed to create a real cloud that users are actually using today in the moc we have over 10,000 users of services on top of it. And we expect this to grow substantially as we kick up the next phase of the new research cloud. So, so this involves AI layers, big data, data set repository stores compute function as a service, everything that we want in the way Michael described in the keynote is we want to actually be able to stand all those layers up in a consistent way with the automation around doing that so that multiple clouds are offering the exact same services in the exact same way, and then federated together. That's the focus on open infrastructure labs that that the first focus in some sense is about allowing that standardization and prescriptiveness and federation. But in doing that, it actually lasts for research across these different layers. There's a set of specific projects. We're going to focus on one of those highlight and blue the serious one. We do want to go describe the get into that. Um, okay. I'm having problems. All right. So, as Oral mentioned, right series is part of the open infrastructure labs. Um, so why do we want to have this project right today? Many companies and have to support emerging new workload patterns. Right. One of them is what we call continuous data streaming where you have data streams generated from all kinds of sensors and events continuously. We want to be able to cleanse and and curate the data. We want to manage the quality of data and then protect the privacy of data subjects and owners. We also want to be able to integrate the streaming data with historical data and then and then generate insights and make predictions. So much curation and prediction will have to happen in real time that places a huge demand on the underlying infrastructure. Right. Another workload pattern is what we call passive massively parallel data processing. If you look at machine learning jobs or mad reduce jobs, they all involve a large number of concurrent threats and processing data in parallel against a huge data set. So, um, imposes requirement on the underlying data bandwidth. So, on the one hand, we have this new workload patterns that have new demands. On the other hand, our computing infrastructure is becoming more and more complicated. So we're going towards what we call hybrid multicloud where we have all the computing resources, they're heterogeneous, whether it's CPU GPU, and F F PGA, or all kinds of storage systems right HDD STD and SCM and things like that. So since systems are becoming more heterogeneous. And also, they have also becoming more disaggregated. So, so on the, on the one hand, we have very demanding workloads on the other hand, we have a very more and more complicated computing infrastructure. So how can we tackle those challenges. So we feel that a promising direction is to to enhance the coordination between compute and storage. And that's what we mean by that right today. Computer system is highly stratified, right there are different layers of the system. There's storage, storage layer, there's compute layer, there's this application layer and so forth. People are used to doing design development and innovation within the boundary of each layer, right so they only focus on that layer itself for good reasons of modularity and maintainability and things like that. And those different layers have very well defined and restrictive interface, and that limits the kind of information available to each layer. So we feel that if we can somehow bridge the semantic gap between those layers, so that a lower layer can have more information and have more information on a higher level semantics and a lower layer will be able to do more intelligent things will become a smarter and therefore deliver a better performance. Just think about compute and storage right today. The interface between compute and storage is very restrictive right I request an object or a block and then you give me the content. This is a very simple API. We conjecture right if somehow the storage layer can have more information about what kind of what kind of data processing, we're trying to do, what kind of application we're trying to support, then we can make more intelligent decisions in terms of how to do caching, how to do other all kinds of storage management to improve the overall performance. So that's what project series is about by facilitating better or enhance coordination between compute and storage, and through leveraging the higher level semantics. So project series will not be from scratch will be building upon multiple existing open source projects. Let's take a quick look at those projects. So around. Sorry, always forget to unmute. So there's a series of projects that has been going on in the mass open cloud. This is supervised by Peter Desnoirs and myself with a large team of students working on this. The first one is sort of a caching layer where we've been cached to developing a multi layer cache on the access side of the network bottlenecks within the data center. And so the idea here is to actually be able to share information to across these layers so we're putting now storage where compute is actually residing so we're, we're trying to catch the data where the computer is but also manages a global clash. The idea here is, is as a cooperative cash or collective cash. It may well be that, you know, if, if new data set is being accessed in one cluster. That's a really good predictor that the days can be accessed in another cluster. Layered on top of that, we've been building this service called careers, which is kind of a controller for that cash. And again, this even more violates that boundary between compute and storage is what we've been doing is extracting the directed, directed, directed acyclic graph of what compute jobs are going to be happening out of spark and pink environments. And using that, knowing that we actually know the future of accesses from these different environments to inform what data is being prefetched and cashed and ejected from the cash. So again, these are sort of clear demonstrations of where we're trying to, in some sense, violate those traditional interfaces to get much, much higher performance. We've been able to extract those tags from multiple environments, and we've been able to further use the historical information about how long jobs take with different amounts of caching to achieve much, much higher performance for for applications at the end by actually caching portions of their data sets. So even a step further than that, we want to start understanding that this is a parquet file or an arrow file, or even starting to integrate with red hat team as three select into these interfaces so we're caching only the data people are actually accessing, there's semantic information that caching. The last kind of project we've been doing that sort of, I guess violates the historical boundary is, is implementing a mutable storage over immutable. So what we've been doing is building a block store. So, so essentially the equivalent of the latest block device or elastic block storage. We're building a local NV me Ram as a right back cash, but the right backs are actually happening out of place and we're doing it over immutable storage in the back end. And so what that means is that the client is actually controlling where the data is stored to, and you only actually can see at the client side, that combination of this is really volume storage. And that results in massive acceleration. And we can go to more details on that if people are interested later on. I don't want to go too much. But these are sort of three example projects that sort of show how breaking that boundary and the interface between compute and storage really can result in dramatic performance improvements. We'll be back to you. So, and another project in this area is what we call the semantics aware NDP and catching. There are three aspects in this project. The first one is near data processing, which means want to push data processing tasks from the compute cluster to the storage cluster. And this is different from existing work on NDP. If you look at existing work in spark or S3 basically they're only pushing down very basic filtering and selection kind of operations. Here we actually want to push down a much broader array of operations, not just filtering also functions like join, group by and search. We also want to push down AI functions like data shuffling classification and so forth. And in addition want to allow users to define their own functions and push down those UDFs as well. So this will be one key differentiation for the kind of NDP we're trying to support. Another aspect of the work is multimodal caching, right, if you look at a traditional cash, you just caches source data from the storage system, but here we want to cash additional modalities of data as well, including intermediate data, I'm sorry, yeah, intermediate data, including the intermediate computation results so that we can just access those results immediately directly without recomputing anything, right? Another kind of data, data, whether cash is metadata. For example, information on the index values on what kind of information, what kind of data is stored within each partition and we feel that kind of metadata can help us make a better decision on what partitions to access and what partitions we can safely skip. Right, another kind of thing want to cash is repartition data. If we can somehow repartition data based on the workload, then we can facilitate access as well. So basically, this is the second aspect, multimodal caching, not just source data caching, but other forms of data as well. And then the third aspect is the semantics aware aspect. When we talk about NDP, when we're talking about multimodal caching, we're actually talking about multiple individual techniques, and then how do we coordinate those techniques? How do we make intelligent decisions within each technique is where we want to break the system boundary, want to leverage information on the computer side, on the application side to make those decisions more intelligent and more automatic. Right, so that's the, that's the gist of this project. So I hope this gives you an idea on the kind of technologies we think that can be useful, right, to address today's performance problem in a hybrid cloud environment, and this is where we want to have an open discussion with everyone here. Specifically, these are the questions we want to ask you, meaning, do you feel like this is the right direction we're trying to explore, and then if so, what are the questions you can think of that you want us to discuss as a group today? Right. And also, in addition to the things we just described, what are the other innovation opportunities you see in this area, and what are the hard technical problems we have to solve. And also, we saw multiple projects already we're building on, and then there are also other related initiatives in other organizations, other foundations, how can all these different efforts come together to form a coordinated, right, big, big, big effort. So those are some of the things we have in mind, and then we would like to have that discussion with everyone here. Yeah. And to have kind of last point here is that, you know, this, this opportunity to kind of violate the boundaries between projects, that's something that's going on all the time and kind of proprietary fashion inside the big public clouds, right. And what we're trying to do is provide the open source community the way to do that, and then expose it say through the MOC to real end users. So we have all these people doing AI on top of the cloud that are doing that are using these different services. And so this gives us the opportunity to actually violate those boundaries. And actually, we wanted to actually ask this community, what do you want to see happen. And further, how do we want to, you know, some of these projects that we just outlined in some sense are research projects research projects that break those boundaries. What are their existing open source projects from this community and how do they, how do we see that sort of working together between the broader open source community, and the research community which I guess I'm more representative of. At this point people start jumping in with questions or comments, either on the ether pad or, or actually just unmute yourself and join the conversation. And we're also hoping that we have answers for your question. Or that we don't, but they're interesting. Okay, this is Tony, I have a couple of questions. May I ask. Okay, um, and DB has been around for quite sometimes. As far as I know, a lot of company and different vendors have their own implementation to support various computer use case. For example, ssd when they're use ssd controller to offload storage side to compute tasks into ssd itself. Data accelerator has been built based on certain FPGA or certain dedicated hardware to offload a specific workload. So realize that there is a need for a standardized those efforts among industry and open source snare has several groups are working toward that goal. So, is serious project intention to collaborate with the snare related groups and the standardized NDP at least the area.  This is the first question. Go ahead. So, um, I guess I tend to be, I sort of think that standardization efforts take a number of generations what, what I'm hoping that we're going to be pushing really aggressively for is POCs in common environments with real users, right where we demonstrated at some level of So, I think we're complimentary to that and I think we'd love to collaborate with those standardization efforts but at the same time in some of these cases we're really pre standardization right and let's actually figure out what kind of games we're going to get from that. But Tony, you know a lot more about that does that make sense or should we really be do they actually is that evolved enough that we should be adopting things that they already have standardized. I think that's a great answer. I, as far as I know right snare has a certain standard try to standardize several like a memory compute and sorry side compute effort and I also try to develop a different technology so I just want to make sure that this great project and the technology can can contribute in the earliest days so that snare all those party have a, at least some consensus that is in the picture. So otherwise, if it's the path to die, die work is hard to, to, to, to combine them all together in later. So, so earlier involvement, maybe I do understand that your concern that is really early stage, but at least maybe how a loose collaboration is approach, you know, at least the serious is in their mind of, you know, when they are trying to, you know, make a as a standard right so. So, so Tony this is my take right so first I feel that the term near data processing or MVP is a abused term when talk about talk to people who are working on MVP, they might tell you very different things. And so my take is that, if you look at the memory hierarchy, the main memory right storage class memory SSD, and things like that. There's ongoing work to push computation to each layer of that hierarchy, right. First, now all in the people are the same, meaning they're really focusing on different parts of their memory hierarchy. That's one thing. And secondly, if you, you look at what we are doing. At least what we're trying to focus in series is on a different aspect from the aspects you have mentioned, we are focusing on how to push the computation from the analytics cluster to the storage cluster over the network. So that's the major help we're focusing on initially because we feel that's the path that will make the biggest difference. Obviously, in ultimately right we will have to leverage all the work and then be able to push competition, all the way down through the memory hierarchy. But right now we won't be able to cover all the all the hops on that path. We're really focusing on the most important half, which is from the analytics cluster to the storage cluster. So that's what I want to clarify when you need at least in the beginning we're not trying to conquer conquer the entire the memory hierarchy. So that's one thing. And so in essence our work is complementary to what senior is focusing on. And secondly, I agree with you and around in the sense that standardization will have to come after the technology is more mature. So right now we're still at a phase that we're developing the innovation, developing the technology. I wanted to Peter disneyers my Eastern I wanted to follow on with what we said here, what, what we have in this here is seems like something where, you know, I've got to actually run one industry careers and I've been burned multiple times through my career by various standards group interactions. So I think here what we're seeing is that because of the mix of open source, and also, you know, academic research, we have something where the initial trial of limitations of things that, you know, in provider in most companies will be done internally as the concept are instead happening in the open here. So this is really the work that needs to come out and possibly fail. You know, before, you know, but hopefully work before you can call us around the standard as opposed to, you know, my early career was marked by following standards where people go way out of out ahead of the technology and letting directions that turned out didn't work. And I really, I really like that point is that one of the things we really like to invite is people that have other aspects of this that they're working on to kind of experiment on it in the open, you know, demonstrated in say the MOC show expose it to real users. And so we can do comparisons on the same hardware and same kind of environment with real usage. I mean, that's kind of how the public cloud is so successful and innovating is they develop things and they have experimental services and people start using them, and then they can evolve and wrap


So I've made a how to use an Instant Pot before but it is now three years old and the Instant Pot has updated quite a bit. So I have two here with me right now so this one is the Instant Pot Duo and if you don't know what kind you have just if you come over here you will see right there this is the title of every Instant Pot and then this one is the Instant Pot Duo Crisp Air Fryer. It actually comes with an air fryer lid but you can use it as a normal Instant Pot too. So I chose these two Instant Pots because the lids are a little bit different, the functions are a little bit different and we're going to talk about all of it. First we're going to talk about the Duo lid. Now this is an older version of the Duo so that means it has a little knob. Most newer versions of the Duo don't have this knob. If you have this knob that moves it's always going to be a little bit loose that's okay and you want to make sure right before you cook anything it's always on ceiling, not venting. This is venting, this is ceiling. Okay so this is a little bit newer version and it just has a button so it doesn't turn at all. So you can just put your lid on and just leave it as it is. So every Instant Pot also has one of these silver little rings. When your Instant Pot has come to pressure this little ring will pop up then when you release the pressure then this little guy will go back down. So that's a good way to know if it's pressurized or if it's not pressurized and this pot has it too. Now we're going to open up the Instant Pot. Every Instant Pot has a ceiling ring. Now this is very important that this ring is in place and it's not off just a little bit.  Now inside of your pot you just want to make sure that there is never anything in the bottom of this. So your pot will rest safely and dry in there. We don't want to cause any problems. Then also with your pot each pot has a spot where they hit their max fill line. I would never suggest filling up your Instant Pot all the way to here so I would go about three fourths of the way full. Now on the Instant Pot Duo Crisp it also has a max line it says PC max and then two thirds so that's that is your max line. Now I'm guessing the majority of you have the Instant Pot Duo that's usually the cheapest one and to be honest it's actually my favorite. Now I'm going to be completely honest with you I don't really use the soup the meat the beans the poultry the rice the multigrain the porridge or the steam very often at all. The only buttons I really use is pressure cook and then I also use the plus and minus button because that changes my time and then I will make when I make yogurt I will use the yogurt button other than that I just use pressure cook. Now the reason why is because those other functions they just set a timer that's it they don't set the pressure they don't set other things so I want to manually set my own timer like for rice I think it's set for 11 minutes when really rice only takes about seven minutes to cook and the other button I use of course is the saute button I use that quite often. Now on this one this one is a little bit different because it's also an air fryer so I for sure use pressure cook and then I set my time I love using the saute button the slow cooker button on all Instant Pots I would never suggest using it is way slower than a normal slow cooker and it just doesn't cook things all the way through very well. When I'm using my air fryer on this I will use air fry and roast and broil. Now the one thing about this Instant Pot that's a little bit different is that after you set the timer you have to push start so if your Instant Pot has a start most likely you're going to have to push it before your machine will start working. Now the easiest way to figure out how to use your Instant Pot is to actually cook something in it so I'm going to show you how I cook rice in my Instant Pot. Now before I start I always check underneath make sure nothing is in there I have half a cup of rice that I'm just going to pour into the bottom. Now for every cup of rice you need one and a fourth cup of liquid so I had half a cup of rice so I'm going to add half a cup plus a little bit more and then yep I just use my fingers you just want to make sure all the rice is touching the water. Now this is the duo so you're going to put the lid on so you'll hear a little jingle when you put it on and when you turn it you'll hear a jingle that's a good sign that means you're doing it right. Now this little knob we're going to go to ceiling not venting just because this one has a knob then I'm not going to push rice because remember that's just a setting so we're going to go to pressure cook and then I like to move my timer it's going to be seven minutes now with this Instant Pot once you set the timer you can just walk away and you're going to hear a little sound any second there we go once you hear that beep that means you're good to go. So this is the duo crisp we're going to put half a cup of rice again same thing so half a cup of water plus a little bit more make sure all the rice is covered with the water so you're going to put the lid on you hear a little noise that means it's good you're going to turn it hear another noise that means you're doing good so you don't have to do anything with this knob you just have to set the lid on if your top looks like this now with all the Instant Pots they're all going to cook about the same so we're going to push pressure cook and hear Harper in the background she's just chatty today and this one we're going to go all the way down to seven minutes okay once you hit seven minutes here with this Instant Pot we just need to push the start button now once it comes to pressure it will start counting down so we started at seven minutes right so then it will start counting down this one took about oh four minutes to come to pressure if your Instant Pot is really full sometimes it can take 15 to 20 minutes to pressurize okay this one was just about a minute or two behind it so they even though this one is an eight quart and this one is a six quart they are really close in cooking time okay once the timer is done on this Instant Pot an L will appear and then this will start counting up so whenever you see the L on your duo and the number so say it's like 12 or seven or six that means it's already done cooking about six minutes ago so when your Instant Pot is done cooking you have two options you can let it sit here that's called natural release that means it's going to sit here for as long as you want it to as soon as it's done cooking it will go to something called keep warm so you can leave it on keep warm or you can do a quick release and that's when you take this little knob and you turn it to venting or if you have a button you're going to push the button it just both will let all the steam out so we're going to do a quick release here so you can kind of see it so we're going to go from sealing to venting all right once all the pressure is out you can carefully open the lid now do realize this is going to be hot as you open the lid so you want to make sure you're kind of out of the way of it and just like that you have perfect sticky rice all cooked through and literally a matter of minutes and I didn't have to watch anything just perfect okay just like the other instant pot this one shows an L and it's starting to count up so it's been done cooking for about a minute so we're going to go up here and we're going to push the little button to let all the pressure out if you see that little pin it's still up because it's all the pressure still in it so we're going to push the button okay if you can see that little pin just dropped so that means all the pressure is out and we're going to carefully open our lid there we go and open it up yes all the rice is done and this one has perfect sticky rice too now I think one of the biggest questions that I get asked is how do I know the cooking time how do I know how long it needs to be in there and so we actually have a free instant pot cheat sheet now if you want that I'll put a link down below for you it's totally free and it will give you the times for all the meats of what I cook them for now if you want some instant pot recipes that are super simple I have plenty for you you can find my most favorite ones just right up there all right everyone thank you so much for cooking with me we'll see you next time


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