I sold Ramon's tires and all the old Texan, you dig it and then you put that in, you don't dig it out, you can see Texan fit, you need some more, it's still a little bit, you figure that out quick, put it this way, if I was in position, fine, there'd be a lot of people that do this. Agendas to prove the agenda? Nope, I don't. The thing I wanted to do was just slightly amend the temporary bridge rental agreement, I also just wanted to talk about maybe one error. Will we accept the agenda amended? Second? Okay, all in favor? All right, okay. Inquiry, anything that's not on the agenda this evening that anyone would like to bring after? Why do we do roadside knowing? Why do we do roadside knowing? It's terrible. Bring that up to the town administration at all? I do know that they borrowed and let them do one swap and in some areas, you know, right, it needed more. No, I've heard that, that people thought that Mike did a nice job, but so we were borrowing it, and the agreement was just one swap. So it certainly didn't allow them the time to do as nice of a job as Mike had done. And as far as the signage, I'm not sure, that's obviously something to be rectified. The reason that was following around was they were trying to get clear stuff out of the ditches and that sort of stuff before the moor went through. I thought he was ahead of him. Anything else? You're none? We'll move on. So Chris, it was brought to my attention today that maybe we should be changing something under the Department of Public Works call-out was actually brought to your attention as well. The state comes out at 3 a.m. if they're doing interstate and 4 a.m. if they're doing secondary roads. It does say that in the policy that we're on call 24-7 in the event of winter storm, the Bethel Consulate of Vermont State will advise the road foreman to change in conditions. And it says that the highway will be called in to maintain roads at the discretion of the road foreman. Is that something that you wanted to change? Do you want to add a line in here that most generally they're probably out at 4 a.m. during a storm? Some people have an idea when they would expect them because obviously they've got to get through the route. The school bus routes, so it would probably, it's my understanding that if they came out by 4, right, you could get through your school bus. So I'm not sure should we be adding something in here that says that they will be out by 4 a.m. on a major storm. Because what your problem is is that Alan is receiving calls in the middle of the night because somebody is somewhere. And stuck and, you know, talked to Brian, he said when they're at the state they'll just tell him we'll be out 4. I mean I think the, I mean my opinion, I think we have to be careful when we put our hours out there. Yeah, we have just a general... It's 4 a.m. and it'll be 4 a.m. and we'll get a call from somebody saying how come I haven't seen clouds out. So we can leave the warning open. I mean even though I think that's a good, you know, I think it's good internal thinking and process that we should do. I think we have to be careful on whatever hours we advertise because then we'll be held to that standard at that point. So the internal policy then will be 4 a.m. Or maybe some language, maybe instead of putting the time language, maybe just some language in the talks about... There's some language about snow already. Or just working with, you know, having the ample time to go out and file prior to school buses and, you know, keeping accessibility to the city. Well it does say that therefore during periods of time with schools in session, top priority is given to clearing roads. So I mean unless we're going to add something, you know, real specific, I'm not sure you need to amend it. Because if you were probably covered, if you want to leave it that way, you're already covered, Chris. I just wasn't sure if you wanted something more specific, but you can certainly be more of an internal policy for the... I think though, you know, the big part is like the first couple of paragraphs and wherever I would read about, you know, you're not going to have to do 100 miles an hour on 24-7. I'm sorry very much, but I think it works in the long run. Sounds right. I like the idea of safe roads and safe speeds. Yeah, I stole that one. Right off the top on there. And I like the language in there that, you know, to expect to see some snow covered roads. It's wonderful downtown. You couldn't have found three flights of snow on the road. Our budget, that's not real. No, no, I understand. And this is something too that we can put on the website and we can have out for people to see, so that Alan, you know, like he said, and people have some idea of what were, you know, the rules and their own rules. You know, Chris has said umpteen times that people that live way up on the top of the mountain shouldn't be prepared for winter. Right. And so on. I mean, within reason. Within reason. Well, winter tires. Yeah, absolutely. It was a little bit long enough though. Yeah, exactly. I mean, I think some things, you know, we don't necessarily need to write it in the guidelines here, but I think we just have to think about how we're going to manage this. Because, you know, we don't, we didn't want to adopt a policy that we have to follow, you know, law.  There's no cloud somebody out for a reason that maybe could have waited until the morning. You know, we just kind of got to avoid some of those, there's an emergency situation. And unfortunately, I mean, we can't be out there 24 hours a day. No. I mean, the state of the law doesn't go out 24 hours a day. No.  And sometimes maybe a little bit later in 330, but, you know, I mean, that's kind of a couple of times. Absolutely. When you work or travel and then eat, you have to be prepared for the roads being maybe snow covered. It has good comments in here, too, about having proper equipment, your tires and whatnot. Yep. To anticipate that kind of stuff. So, Alan, does this give you enough flexibility, do you think, to make the decisions on a fly, as it were? I mean, we try to keep the wording that way. And it says under the discretion of the road department kind of. And that, obviously, you go to bed at 10 o'clock in the morning, and the snow is falling. And since it's an hour, we don't need the fly to go out. All right. I'm going to start. I'm going to say that between 10 and 5, you could have a quick nap or something. Exactly. I have a quick nap. Yes. Yep. I guess the sidewalk means of the village areas is, you know, currently on bigger snowstorms, we're using greater, which is fine. But I think we have to be careful on the sidewalks. And it's very visible if you go up Church Street. I agree with you. Those sidewalks are only five years old, and then you look like they're 25 years old. And you can see right where the down pressure of the blade is damaging the sidewalks. And, you know, if we get a foot of snow and we want to use the greater to help with the sidewalk control, we shouldn't be bringing that greater blade right down to the top of that sidewalk. We should be leaving it up and then having the sidewalk cloud come behind it and pushing the two inches off. You know? Because there's several, you know, that whole stretch of sidewalk all the way up Church Street. Mm-hmm. You know? Very good. Yeah, so that feels good. I mean, I guess that was one, I mean, we didn't really want to have an exact policy, but I'm assuming that the thinking for this winter is to be riding on sand and only salting certain areas. Is that what we're looking at doing? Are we going to use sand for operations? Because we were looking through, I was looking through old budgets and things. And, you know, we used to use $20,000 to $30,000 a year in the sawhouse town. And I think that's probably more of the, it has been a little bit of a price increase since then, but I think that's kind of the range that we need to be looking at about $100,000. And then, you know, moving our sand budget up a little bit to offset some of that. But, I mean, if we're committed to, you know, $30,000 per saw, you know, we can't use it all up on the first three months of the winter either, you know. Or we just need to be able to manage that in a way that, you know, maybe we're just using the saw in the downtown kind of, I mean, I looked at a lot of other towns and most towns are using sand for almost everything except for some of their villages, you know, in around their villages and their sidewalks. I think we do talk about that. We talk about spreading practices in here. And we do talk about the rates of application. So it does talk about that.  You're not spreading anything on the way back down after you plow the other side. Then you're spreading. But I can tell you, I saw trucks last year plowing up, putting salt right behind them and plowing right down and taking all that salt off the road. You know, and I can tell you it's not just practice. No, and it does talk about that. That's what we want to know. Right. You know, we have to be plowing at proper speeds, with proper equipment, you know. And it does talk about that too. Writing operations generally be conducted at speeds less than 20 miles an hour. It does talk about that. Normally applied to the middle third of the pavement width and on the high side bank curve. So it does, and we certainly outlined that. That's outlined in here. And it talks about too, you know, they did it for us, which is what Alan did last year. So as they have, they've had some snow, but it was going to rain.  So that's in here and he'd done that last year. So is the idea to publish this? Yes. On the website? Yeah. And it does talk about, yeah, light snowfall commutes, snow squalls which occur after 10 and produce only a light accumulation, may not require any attention until the next day. And so it does. But no, Alan thought that it would help, certainly help him as far as questions, comments, if people had an idea of how they were operating. It might help, you know, answer some questions. And we also clarified the mailbox policy, which is, if we hit it, we'll replace it. If it is pushed over due to the weight of the snow being pushed, you're on your own because the pole is probably already part of your body. So just because the force of the snow knocks it down, that's, that's... A lot of snowboxes, we're knocked down, we're brought up for what it's supposed to be. Exactly.  But if, yeah, it's exactly, but if we're just pushing snow on it, it's... I think it's heavy, you know how that goes. And we've addressed that in here as well. Anybody else have anything to run into discussion? Yeah. I'm worried you have to be so verbose. Yeah. True. I mean, I told you, I took the state of Vermont and I took, like, the town of Windsor's and merged them into Bethel, and then everybody took a peek at it. So what is our best plan of attack to get the information out to taxpayers in town? About this, I think that we put it on the website and Kelly could do a Facebook post. I can let Lisa know so that, you know, maybe she puts it in her little article for the newspaper. Which, oh, that's right, I have to speak to her about this. I know the goal was for us by the end of July so they start appearing to winner. Let's hope it's longer than that. Yeah. For four, five months to get, you know, proper tired. Yeah. So no, we'll do that. We'll, you know, we'll go on the website and Facebook and all that. Then I will ask Lisa if she'll do something for us. I'm sure she will. She always is good to us. So if you can make the amendments to this and we can do... It doesn't sound like you're making any. No, it doesn't sound like you're making any. No, as long as you're okay with them and you can just do it by consensus, then we'll move with it as it is. What's that? That's five pieces of paper and everything. I believe so, yeah. And we'll make it a length and... Yeah. So I guess that would be bad, like, being 20 on somewhere there. Because that would be obsessive about it from office if somebody does not... Oh, sure. Yeah, yeah. We could mail it to someone if they want. Yeah. And put it on display in an office. Yeah. Like that. Copy and post around town. Okay. Sure. So that puts us to the equipment and things, which is, you know, proper equipment for the proper roads to do the work. And, you know, the question of what are we going to do with the one-ton truck now, has issues, we replace it with another vehicle with a similar statute. Do we need a bigger vehicle or not get a vehicle? So I did give you what you asked for, the capital improvement plan. Chris, I did meet with the road crew and then I called Alan with some follow-up questions. And so you can see that I put in some proceeds. If there was a sale of the equipment, I put in... This time I picked the recommendation of the road crew, which was the tent wheeler. And I put that in here so you can see how that would look. Obviously the grader would be next year and that end up being a portion of that. This would be a note, but I explained that in here as well. So we certainly tried to address all of your issues. Obviously the goal is that you have enough money saved and you don't have to pay loans on this equipment, which works except, you know, when you're going to buy a grader because I was estimating a purchase price of 350,000 could be high, I don't know. But it's, you know, it's another year and you just don't know. And I obviously estimated a proceed from the sale of ours of 80,000, which is, I just looked on the internet for some places to see, to try to come up with a number to put in here. So we're always a little... So I guess what concerns me looking through this is, so regardless of what piece of equipment we need to do, we're trying to afford taking, so... Right. And you can... We're going to have zero break in the action for, you know, the proposal here is to... I end up taking money out of the ten-wheeler. You know, so now you're going to have a five-year payment. No. There's no payment on the ten-wheeler. Because you can see, we took the existing money that we have. Took 28,819 out of the salt budget. And so no, we would pay for it. We would end up with zero money at the end of the year. And then next year you have another appropriation. Right. And then next year we got... And that's where we do the greater, so I'm still... Right. We got the greater purchase that year. And that becomes a note. And you can see where I put in some proceeds, like a borrowing. And then I tried to carry those numbers forward. So that way in 21 and 22, you could pay for those trucks in full. It's only the only borrowing you would do is for the greater. Great. Well, that's what I'm doing. That is, we're going to have a log jam of four years in a row of purchasing a two-year equipment. Oh, yeah. Yep. And you're going to have a five-year note. And you're going to have a five-year note on it. And you're going to be carrying a five-year note here. We're going to be carrying one five-year note for the greater. Everything else will be paid for. It's just the greater that we'll be carrying a five-year note for. That's the long schedule that you put in there? Yeah, Chris asked. That's for the greater. For the greater, okay. Yeah. He had asked me to come up with amputation. Okay. So I did. Thank you. I said that, you know, 350 minus our down payment was 260 over five years. Yeah. Yeah. That's how I came up with that. But in my schedule, you would pay for everything each year in full except for the greater. Because nobody's, well, maybe somebody has that kind of money, but we don't. We're going to ask for a larger amount of the year. We've had the, what we had done is I had taken what we had in, and I basically spread the borrowing over those years. So you can see it kind of, I added it in up top, but you're also taking the payment out at the bottom. Trying to make it, because you would have, you know, you're making that loan payment each year. It's kind of hard. So I was trying to like throw all 350 in or 260 in here, but that was trying to keep it so you could see that it was five year loan. So the 10-wheel is paid with existing money. The 10-year loan is paid for with, yes, with the money already in the fund, plus the annual appropriation, plus 28,000 or so, or 30 grand out of the salt budget to come up with the money. So what is that? How much does that leave us in the salt budget? Well, 100,000 minus 30, it would leave you 70. And that's what Chris had said. If we have, if we need to make purchases, it's going to have to come out of the general fund budget. And I told the road crew that when I spoke to them. But your right gave me, maybe I shouldn't have added them. I was trying to add, I added the income in a payment here at the same time, but take one out, but that's the, so maybe I shouldn't have, maybe I should leave the greater payment and take the borrowing out. Because you're right, Dave, we're going to have to increase because we have to cover the loan payment. So you either have to ask for more money that year, or we might be able to cut it down because I had some money left at the end of each year. So we could pro-rate that out and ask for less, but we would have to increase. Yes, because we have to increase the annual appropriation, but we could offset it by this difference on the bottom. So I'll update this. We're not sure that we can only get 30 out of the settlement. We haven't decided what the settlement will be yet. The SOP budget was approved at $100,000 at town meeting. But anyways, so, you know, you're right. And the unfortunate thing is because you bought two trucks in the same year, that pushes, we're trying to separate them. And we put in a schedule that we were holding them for, I did eight years for one and nine the other. If you want to be on an eight-year rotation, if you want to hold them longer, then you're going to have to increase your repair budget. It's the same thing we talked about. I made a little note at the bottom about the greater, saying how many hours it has. And once you get to about 8,500 to 10,000 hours, you're looking at possibility, looking at some bigger repairs. So you can hold things as long as you want, but you need to start throwing some big money into your repair budgets and offset the length of how you're going to hold them. So as I said, you wanted a consensus. The consensus out of the road crew was the ten-wheeler. Which one is the ten-wheeler? Oh, the packet that we were talking about. Which one? The freight liner or? It was the international, right? $19,000. The international? $19,000. Yeah, the number of prices is $189,951. Okay. Right here. There you go. And what would we be using the ten-wheeler for? We'd be taking the six-wheeler for an international title. So right now, the cost of more of the title will take on more of a smaller amount of dollars. I was going to say, you've got Merck Smith, you've got to turn around to that. Let's go with you. All of a sudden, they said they couldn't do that. So just drive it at that. Yeah, the end of the road. So, yeah, so Chris, if I take the borrowing money out, it's going to change my bottom number. So I think there's a chance that we're going to end up having to hold the demand of having to push the freight liners, maybe a little bit to cover the loan, because I carried it up here. And I shouldn't have, I think, I was trying to show the payment, but then I was putting it here, so I'm not running enough money. So these become tight, but so it makes having to push one of them. I'm not sure. I mean, the goal is obviously is to avoid having any more loan payments and to just try to pay for them as we can. But next year, if you were to reduce your salt budget, you might be able to put a little bit more in your capital equipment fund because you wouldn't be spending on salt. Well, in theory, we're reducing it now. Right. So we're reducing it again. Oh, that's true. Well, we'd go, yeah. Well, if you were going to go to 50 versus 100, you've taken 30 out of it now. Chris was reconforming. Now I was thinking 110. You're saying, so you have 100 in it. That was the budget was 100,000. I was thinking of cutting the salt budget from 100,000 down to 40,000. Oh, OK. And increasing the sand budget from 50 to 70. Oh, OK. That's, it's a net 40,000. Right. And then I'm saying, then you're going to be up to 29,000 with this truck. You're at 11. So if we purchased this truck, I mean, the vehicles, well, even with the one time going away, we had five vehicles. So we'd have the 10-wheeler, the two other freight liners that are the 2013. So there's three. And Morgan's Ford F, the 350. So there's four. That's it, right? As far as trucks, that's it. So you'd have four trucks, yeah. You have the new 10-wheeler, the two freight liners. So there's three. Then Morgan's truck is four. The F, the 350. And we're buying another 10-wheeler. Oh, well, if we buy. Right? No. That's right. Two 10-wheeler, one six-wheeler, and one three-wheeler. Great. So that's four. Yeah, you have five. 2017 International, that goes in 2025. Right. We still have five. But you don't have anything that's, you know, the other concern was, I think that, well, and A.J. had said it right, was that, you know, everything about the one ton is that gives you that, if you're hauling the material off, well, maybe Morgan said from like a water dig or like A.J. had said it makes it easier for like hot mix, that sort of thing. So if you, yeah, so if you don't have that, then you don't have that, you don't have a vehicle for those sort of things. But even with that statement there, you guys are still going with the 10-wheeler. That was the consensus, yes, that you'd ask for the consensus of the road crew and the consensus was, they were just talking about it, saying these are the pros and cons. So it was a discussion. So I guess the question I have is, for the public works environment is, can you make do with what you have and purchase a grader next year? You need to truck and have to wait on a grader. Because it just doesn't seem like it's going to be feasible for us people. What we could do next year? Without raising taxes. No, you could hold the grader another year, just increase the budget for repair and maintenance. But it could be worth it. True, but I mean, but you're putting about 700 hours a year on it as the average. So, and like I said, this number is 80,000. I was looking online, I mean, trying to come up with something similar, similar age, similar in the same model and around the same hours. You never know. I mean, I've sold trucks where I was hardly able and then I've sold a couple where I made out really, wow, I was like, you know, it's kind of great all the time. But I mean, it's trying to wrap it up. Could we not get away with just the great liners in the national level, the 350 we have? I mean, we could develop all the things. Because it's fine. Oh, you have your hand? It's more expensive. It's fine. You're not getting any extra truck out of it. 110 is today. And that's not like replacing what he has now. It's not like replacing the one time. It's not the same truck. Okay, I don't know. It's bigger? It's bigger than the one time. Can you trade the one time in on the international deal? In this case, I put in 15 and 15 out in case they were going to get something else, a different vehicle to replace the one time. It was all because of the fuel rail. That was the thing that was unknown. If you're happy with that, the frame is fixed and there's no plow on it and no plow can go back on it, right? Yeah. So you cannot put a plow back on. And was that from the welder? Okay. He said he would probably recommend not. Yeah. You already knew the wing wasn't going back on but then he came back and put it back. So. Is that possible that you're right about that? Light, very heavy. Okay. I mean, I'm just... Where do we put another vehicle? Right. You've got one... No, that's not... It's going to be off limits because we actually already... I found that out by answer. Remember, they bought a trailer and Tim had outfitted it and they had a trailer with a trench box so if there's a water leak, they can just back in, hook on this and go, it's all outfitted. There's no welding and storage and which is what we need on hand for the water sewer system as a part. So there's no storage there. Morgan did not park the truck in there. I thought he did. He parked it there, just not inside. Now, I wonder if I do have a vehicle outside and that's the rage so that Morgan's truck can be inside and I don't have one. And it's ready to go out of the store. Part of the summer I had no vehicles outside. That machine. The operator. The operator. The operator. The operator. We already know we have a trade value and if there's some savings here that would help me offset the cost of the rater next year by not only what's in there but what we would save by not buying as inexpensive as a vehicle and then we're replacing a vehicle but it's obviously got issues and that's probably the best schedule. We need to throw, we need lots of money that appears to be just in the program that we have now that listed that money as for each vehicle. And what will happen is that's something to check out. We will pick that up in the budgeting in October when we do the next year's budget this fall we will increase the repair absolute repair maintenance budget and we will fill in the money capital fund if that's the way you're leaning is to adjust routes and possibly replace the one time we could get a price for that a one time with the correct size. Ten green. Ten green. Ten green. Ten green. Ten green. Ten green. Ten green. Ten green. Ten green. Ten green. Ten green. Ten green. Ten green. Ten green. Ten green. Ten green. Ten green. Ten green. Ten green. Ten green. Ten green. Instead of taking 30,000 out of the salt, we still need to get the money to get the repairs. It can still, you could overspend the repair line and probably could come up with some, could you come up with an estimate of every, you had a list that you gave the board for all the repairs. Could you come up with a list, or an estimate for me? Just fall down, yeah, that would be great. And then I could. I mean, that might be the best scenario is to replace the, which would be, and we could use that savings to the freight lineers to get them to. This kind of goes back to both of our board, because it's overfilled for being asked to do. So in the rough, all of us have to step up like this in the general 20,000, 30,000 more, but there's much more trouble, right? Over all of that size. And how much was that in your, what was it? It was about $192,000. And that was it? One thing that's fully open. We have to be ready to go up to. And that's the other thing is finding the shortcuts of that or size this. It isn't a bell date of October or August or. And it still has the same ability to do, have all those things? It's a successful amount of time. Changing up to $550,000, and then preparing for the local file too. Okay, so that's what you want, okay? So in two weeks, we will prepare the local file, if it's still available, to a $750,000, $550,000, with the cloud. We'll run the new numbers to see what works coming up with here. And maybe I can also, I lose $4.35,000, maybe I can see if I can, what if I can. If someone's been to Trapper? Well, I just hold that interest, but it would give you more money to put down on. Yes, so I would say that, I guess that's my question. Is that it? Are we at the options? Because if we could, if we give you the numbers next week, again for the local file, plus the F, the one-time, you're gonna have to make a decision. And I guess in the next week, it's gonna be either you're gonna replace the one-time, a winning the local file, the one-time, or you're gonna say no to everything, and they're just gonna run with what they have for this year and keep their fingers crossed. They'll probably, they'll be, this week, by the end of the day, on the period that we're gonna run, around the next day. And they did, and they already gave us a price for that. And sure, the price will go up with a welded frame, went off, but they would want to give us the $15,000. That was their decision, it was faster to get something. But is that, so are we heading in the right direction? Yes, I would press as far as, looking down the road and not getting too far in, now, and then having to get here with the greater, then something happens to the greater that pushes that up. Yeah. And we got that lost there, too. Absolutely. And all of the other things that are coming up. And it is hard, I mean, and they certainly understand that, you know, they're tax payers and they understand that. I mean, it's hard because you have not had a real squeeze in everything that you was coming up in the one schedule. So then, I guess, so we'll get a price for the one, a new one ton with the plow. We'll come back in two weeks, and then that will be your decision. You'll have to say either, and I'll have an updated schedule. So then you're gonna have to choose it at a low profile, the one ton, and then we'll be done with that. I mean, we have to make a choice for this, getting, because that's gonna be August 8th. I don't know what the next slide is for me. Is the low profile, would it still be available? It says October. I've told them just because they're dealers, they're asking they are, because they didn't have people who aren't a report trigger or you know, you know, you have to find out. I think we're just gonna have to tell them that, you know, what we're gonna tell them. It's exactly as we keep talking about it. Yes, exactly. But, yeah, I guess, like to see us. Oh, of course. We place the one, one ton, other one ton, and move our routes a little bit, so that, you know, we're following the right routes with the right, because if we go any higher than that, you know, two cents, just a quarter greater, you know. Yeah. You know, we can't just keep increasing this budget. No. We need to, you know, I know we have to separate the wants and the needs here at this point. Right. I think the greater and the two freight liners are yours and captured, because so we can't, down to the people we're talking right now, and we can see if we can produce the one ton and then take a little bit of the money that we have. All right, so we'll make sure that they will make it, you know, out of 2014, or 2024, we're gonna replace it. Frank, so what we'll do is we'll come up with a price for the low profile, or we have that one ton, and then Alan will get an estimate of his repairs. If he gets everything repaired to where he needs it. Yeah, Jason's plow, and the whole shebang, so we can look at real- If it goes lower or, you know, eight to 189, so basically 190, before we make sure everything going into winter is gonna be just where he needs it, and then we can make that investment. So he'll give us those options for the next meeting? Yes. And maybe it's a time of life. Well, we know the, Yes, because he had given you a list of the fixes before, so yeah, we'll come up with that. Thank you. So we'll eventually help you with this. Is that right? No, he had, that was Keith Laramie, and he's the one who purchased the house to AB 6.0, maybe the one that the truck ran into, and before the prior owners. Stacey. Oh, Stacey, thank you, Mark.  Was, yeah, and the water shut off to it, and Keith had come in and asked, I think he sent him a note asking, for that taxes, I told him taxes, he was sparking up the wrong trees, he'd have to discuss that with them, look at his tax bill, and then speak to the listers, because they probably had already adjusted the property down, and then, but Keith is saying that he would like you to continue not charging for utilities, he bought the house, he's contractor, and, but he does not plan to, he kinda wants to work on a piecemeal, and he's thinking it's gonna take him two years before, as he fits it in with other jobs, to make that house happenable. So that's what he was requesting in his letter. Dear Pam, as we thought it was the town clerk, writing to request the town to bait my taxes, water sewer charge on my house, and then I had spoken with him when he came in, sent him in the right direction on his taxes, he needed to wait till he took some of his tax bill, and it's plain, when there was a value of that property, there's, it's building law. I think he's gonna go from the next year, BCM. I wasn't sure, because at that time I'm not, he had not even received his tax bill, so he didn't even know what the value was, so, but it's, It's BCM, it's a, that's what you're talking about. Right. For a year or more? They had talked about, I guess, possibly tearing it down, and then he bought it from them, so. When they presented it, it was a condemned property, and it was going to be, I've been closed, they ever said it was definitely going to be torn down, and it was a condemned property. Right, and it still is a condemned property, and it still isn't habitable, and so Keith is, you know, he bought it, which is great, and he wants to fix it up, he's just saying, in between his other jobs, he's not like, he's just gonna focus on that. So that was his request. He's not getting any water, he's not getting any charges at all for water, so he just wants you to continue that. I told him I was unsure if he would continue that for, he might do us six months, they may give us three months. Six months, I'll see you after six months. Well, I think, you know, I think looking at it, it's coming with a game plan, and dealing with all men, you know, all properties, you know, one is coming to light now, the process, and dealing with Ben, he's back, isn't he? He's going to say, he's been working on that building consistently, and they gave it to someone. Yeah, I guess on this end, then it was, I mean, two, six months, but it was clearly, it doesn't sound like anything's gonna be going on there, you know, for quite some time. Well, we could tell him that you could tell him that you're not interested in two years, and that you want to see, you know, that maybe you'd be open to a year, and that might put a spark in him, I don't really know, but I don't know them, I just met with Dan Laugh. Break it. I just thought, I don't think we're going to walk on the two years. No, and I told him that, that was... It's not, you know, like... I told him that wasn't going to happen, that there was no way.  All that I got from him was, my conversation was, he said it's going to take at least two years, and I explained to him that he currently had done this with Dylan, and it was six months, and he was like, oh, I got it, you know, six months. I said, I'm just telling you what the board offered. I don't see this going on indefinitely. So... I wouldn't recommend that he makes an appointment to come in person. Again? Yeah. Okay. And that's what we also do, not here tonight, so I'm trying to come down and talk to him. Okay, so we'll tell him, yeah, but he knew what the appointment was. We went over this, so make an appointment, bring a timeline. I think he's on a schedule for August 4th, exactly, and that's when I'll just be seeing him. So is he asking for an update there, or is he asking, was he, or is he challenging his value? He's challenging his value. I don't think he's, I think this is the Emily Weatherley's file, so we don't have to do it in detail here. Yeah, because when I spoke to him, he hadn't opened his mail yet, so I said, you can't evade, I said, there's a value. I said, so you need to go get your mail and read your tax bill. And see, I said, they're not going to give you a freebie because it's got water, it's got power to build. We have to be very careful with, you know, water and sewer is one thing when you want to work with a contractor to, you know, renovate a piece of building from nothing to functional, but taxes are completely different than category where if you look at the evading for taxes, there are certain criteria you have to fit into, and just buying a piece of property doesn't look easy enough. So until Daniel, I mean, it's for hardship, that is not a hardship, so let me do it. So you want to leave on the BDCA rate, which is when they bought it, I took him off from the sale, the no price on the vacancy rate because the property is sold. So you want me to leave on a vacancy rate? Yeah, I would until you come to us. And then at that point, when you talk about the granting back to the vacancy rate or something like that, if you want to do that, but. Okay. And then that gets you leaving off, and then you have to leave it on the water. Any further discussion on that one? Good. FEMA work. So before we get to going, some updates, Triggy and Dastry's kind of give us the update on the project schedule for FEMA, but it was. Yeah, it looks like that. So some of the, You can write it in. So people understand what's going on is the first main section, which was to be a temporary close, get the width of the road back safe. So that that was the complete, the contract issues. So it seems like things are going ahead of schedule. The south best quadrant, which is some of the intersecting roads in the movies with a much smaller contract. We will be signing that, that one. And don't have an anticipated start date with that. But my guess is it'll probably start here. We'll be here too after we can't build those finishes. Oh, you don't think he's gonna roll right from that? No, I don't think that they might. That one has a free bid with the contractor, Christian Hill section is first. So three weeks worth of work. Yeah, I think that's what we're talking about. Act issued in September 15th. So looks like it's done in months early as well. So that's good. In the northwest quadrant, the big results on that. The northwest quadrant is Gilead Road, some of the associated roads in Gilead. The DBB Rodgers, $175,393. And the second bidder was Gulley Escavation, at $185,218, $15,735. The DBB Rodgers. It's the FEMA meeting. We have FEMA as I'm going to come to Bepple. And Kelly has been working on the paperwork. So they sent us these spreadsheets. And Kelly has been great. She worked with Gulley, so she's been updating those Tuesday at nine. Chris is gonna be there because we need to talk about the work that we didn't put out to bid and talk a little bit about how we're gonna handle that. So they will be here then. So yes, so the northwest quadrant was out. We were, the other one was Camp Grove Haven. And we had one bidder show up to the pre-bid meeting. And that was Pike. And their bid was $393,912.50. I spoke to Chris Bonk, the titleist of some, what is his title? PTA, Harvard. Harvard, America. He was great. So I called him and said, hey, I'm a little worried about the sum of work because we had signed an initial grant with them because it's federal highway money. So they kind of estimate your expenses. And so I saw the number of like, but I called Chris and he asked about the ton price. Happy with that. And then he asked, then he said that because we've had some quantity changes in our other bids that he and Mike Blake sleep, he or Mike Blake sleep, another tech, AOT tech, are gonna come out and double check Greg's quantities. I gave him Greg's work today, I scanned it to him and they were gonna take a peek. That made me come out and look at that. There's also a large culvert on there, about 392 Camp Grove somewhere in there that had lost a bunch of rip wrap around it that hadn't been addressed yet either. So I did talk to him a little bit about that. So he was, that was really good. And he's going to verify the quantities. So. So do you want to wait and award that the next meeting after you've got to? No, I think, I think it's fine. I think that basically what we'll do is we'll just, you know, you'll just allow us to award, obviously the only better, we can't group around.  We have to stay within the 180 days in order to get 100%. So I think that you just make the motion that we can accept that, you know, pike is a little bitter. Just obviously if the price goes down, it's all fine. That's fine if you make the motion to accept them. And I just said that I would be asking for this motion to accept pike knowing that we make finesse the number a little bit. But if they verify it and they think that Greg's quantities are right on, then we'll stay about that. Does, and I just wanna make sure that it's on here in terms of the contract transition date is the 12th, about over that 180 days. Yes. Yep, yep, I think so. I actually think it might be the 14th, but I hope it's pretty much close. Yes. Yeah, the 12th, so maybe that is the last day, but and I dealt with just so in all full disclosure, Chris had nothing to do with this bid, obviously everybody knows he works with pike, but I was dealing with kale of them. I've got to do what he says, so I forgot. Kale of Connor, not Chris. So, and it was an open bid process. Everybody had to write. We actually suspected other bidders. So, but anyways, Chris Bump was okay with the number. Thought the ton price was great, better than he expected, and wants to verify the quantities. So I think that you just accept the bid as is and if it's less because the quantity's wrong, then it's less. Very small. It won't be more. I mean, I, well. What a great noose. Well, we can't. Watch the line. Whatever, whatever. Yeah. Yeah. That line is, yeah. So great, so two things. One thing, like as chairman of the board, normally I don't vote, I sustain all votes unless there's a tie breaker or no, so, I mean. Yeah. So I won't be voting on this anyways unless there's a tie. In this case, I would vote on it. That's the conflict of interest here. There could be. There's liabilities here. But normally, the chairman of the board doesn't vote for any gag losses at that, so. So I think that if the price has to change, we can do it, but I just, I don't want to not be in their schedule. And even Chris Bump said that today. He's like, you've got to get in their schedule, too. So I wouldn't entertain motion when they can't work road to a board contingent upon the quantity, the district's quantity, clarifications toward that, like industries for 393,900 seconds in a long period. The next one that we had was, which is installing the temporary bridge, the vanilla bridge that got washed out. So that is something that we will not be awarding tonight. We unfortunately received one bid and one bid only, which was surprising when you saw how many people were there that morning. It's Chesterfield is the name of the company out of Maine and I thought it was all seated because the price was $331,000. So along when I was talking to Chris Bump, I said, there's just no way, but here's the funny thing. At the bottom of their bid, after they put in this price of 331,000, they put an old print and highlighted it in lieu of the above bid. We could make the existing bridge usable for $89,000. So I said, Chris Bump, I'm like, there's no way we are gonna even consider 331,000. We can't do that. So basically.  No, I think he's saying make it a permanent fix. There was another contractor, local contractor, who suggested that right after the storm, but wasn't taken up on it. So what I need to do now is Chris, I need to talk to Jaren Ford, he's the river engineer, and see if Jaren will even bless us putting that bridge back up. If he will breath the plus of that, then Chris suggested I go back to Chesterfield and stay. You submit to us engineer drawings with a PE stamp of Ramon. So licensed engineer Ramon stamps your drawings. And if I get permission from Jaren, then we make it a, I think it'll let us up.  Oh, because. To be able to adhere to the flow. Well, what they're saying now is they're saying that the temporary bridge is going to be 100 feet, but they weren't sure. I haven't heard a number yet on how much it's gonna increase, but I said to Chris Bump, I could buy that temporary bridge from you cheaper. Well. Then forever, then to do this, you know, and I had a couple gentlemen there because they were the other bidders on the Northwest Quadrant. And they were like, well, if I had, you know, we weren't clear on what the removal of the structure was in the addendum. And I said, you could have called me. Chesterfield called and asked. You could have asked me. You could have asked Kobe Gates at the district tech, you could have asked any of us. And they would have clarified that. So. Well, that was the thought I had was, you know, why don't we just put a temporary bridge in there for ever? Well. And you can buy that 150, you can buy it pretty reasonable. Yeah. Well, certainly. That's a nice thing. Health side is just so good. They were not asking that to be removed. It's just they were asking for the apartment on the camperside, the house side was still there. No, it's there, it's there. They're both there. They're both there. It just went around it and because of that, it's somehow the decadence that we've just got to take it out and we'll do the work. But what about the last play in the river that long? I don't know. But I can talk to Jaren and certainly it's a hardship. We can't put a private bridge in 331,000. How much can we buy the property? Well, I floated. That's an option. That is an option and I did reach out to Dorothy who did not respond to that email because that is an option through FEMA is you can buy the property as a process instead of you will even FEMA talk to me about that. So I told her, I said, you know, I'm not sure if you're interested in selling but there is and she didn't respond so I will have to ask her again. It's when I break the bad news for that. That temporary bridge I said we would have been by the 16th. I don't know, it's a chance it's not gonna happen. You know, and not to get. But we just can't pay that amount of money. I think when she hears the numbers she's gonna realize that we can't send. And not to get off track, but we did have a bridge rental. So can we just need an element of bridge now? I mean, I think not that we need to make a decision tonight, which we shouldn't, but starting to pour in our options for that bridge. I did speak to FEMA, someone at FEMA about that because one of my initial concern was if we use FEMA money to pair this bridge are we going to, is there some in their language, their contract language, would we get the money? Is there something that says in the fine print that we have to maintain this for X amount of years? The gentleman I spoke with said he didn't believe so that obviously I should, I can follow up with the LCT. It was a legal question because when I asked, I also asked for response that he didn't know. But that was the same gentleman who said, you know, thought about buying the property and then reselling it to somebody else and telling them to put their own bridge in it. Because it's a class three, I don't know. So I'm gonna have to reach out to the LCT and ask them what our options are. So it's a prior to the, prior to the bid that we got today I guess the thing is I was thinking about some of the options and I don't know if they're all doable, but one option is to put a temporary bridge in there and just leave it there. Do you mind bringing temporary for 30 years? Yeah, so put a temporary bridge in there and leave it in there. Or there's obviously the, put a permanent bridge in there and then maybe, maybe there's some sort of way we can put a new bridge in, but then sign the rights over to the property owner and you know. And it's something we gotta think about. We have a couple other bridges in similar situations that are servicing one household. So I think it's fine. If we, I'm not certain on this but I think if we make that possible a little bit more it's possible I think that would be a good question. For me too, and I'm certainly happy to pursue that because I'm curious, it is, we could, we can install the bridge and then, I mean, I think Google will be very interested to know if we can force them owning this bridge on the iPhone. Oh, I don't know. I think that's what you're right on. I think it would be easy to be able to see all the options. Absolutely. Either leave an temporary bridge there, or putting a permanent end for the ownership of that, or obviously now there's another option of maybe repairing it's there. But even if we repair it, the owners of the bridge are going to warrant it. That doesn't seem to be in the business sense, but. I'll reach out to the attorney at the, he'll see me this fall. Well, again, they have other bridges, similar situations that, you know, check in the town or other liabilities like this. I can ask him about that. Did you lose it at full time? Yes. Excuse me? It's a shoes normal. Well, they're, I believe that a family member is going to be moving in there. That's the goal. They want someone, they want a family member to be living in there. No, because Mrs. Panello went to a facility and then recently passed. So they, when I spoke to Dorothy, she said they were hoping to put somebody for easement because I didn't get the temporary easement signed. And that was actually Christine. So I will email Christine at Dorothy tomorrow for news and also for the U.S.N. team. They're probably going to take their attorney as a heir to the research that. There was at least one boy, but not two also. I couldn't say, I don't know. I only know who I've been dealing with. Frank, it's a big farm. It would be nice to know what our options are at least. Absolutely. Well, we get too much investment. All right, now I'll also ask them to about selling if they're, I'll ask Christine, or maybe Christine's the, I'm sure she's the executive for the owner. And on wardening tonight, what do you think the term going to do there if we could have August 16th? Right, well, because I had spoken with Chris, often we talk about how God's been happy and should have gone out a bit faster, et cetera, et cetera. So I don't know. I mean, now it's, I'm going to have to talk to Jaren. I'll reach out to Jaren for tomorrow and to be open to it. Certainly we'll then reach out to Chesterfield and say, we're interested, but we want to see a engineering drawing stamped by Lysus and Lamont in here. We'll see what we can get. No, it can't be. Second. Right, I was gonna say, I think I'm off. And then we have the catch-all, last one, the Peabind Boulevard and the Park Service System. Yeah, and that has not even been issued yet because we're, again, we have, I sent, that's the one I picked, two rivers put out. So that's two spots on Peabind, which is actually done, in the sense that we know what we need to do for the culvert. We had, they approved one of the designs for the washout on the bank. Tim did a great job, of course. Mel's taken photographs of the damage that went up to one of the reservoirs. So he submitted that one with some quantities of material that was taken out at the Bethanel's pump station for wastewater, sent all that stuff for revet. So that, so she should be putting the finishing touches on that one. Then after that, of course, and I'm gonna tell her now to hold on it, was the, they were also gonna issue an RFP for engineering of the permanent bridge, but so I'm gonna tell her tomorrow to, don't worry about it. So when do you think that will happen then? I don't know, I'll have to update, ask her tomorrow. Over the next couple of weeks. I will soon, yep. I'll ask her for an update on Melo and put a hold on the engineering. We just buried last week the answers from Jaren Horg, so that was kind of holding that process. So I'll update you on that next time. So the, and also the follow-up on the FEMA project schedule is, so I've been working with Allen, so obviously there are sections that are covered under FEMA on these roads that are damaged, but there are sections on these roads that are not covered by FEMA. And in order to not waste the FEMA money, we have to be able to do some maintenance of our own through the town to tie in some of these projects. Now that Phillyville and Whittier and his team are gonna, the issues that are on that road, it's not FEMA related, so we will still pass the automated FEMA jobs, start doing some of the work that needs to be done in conjunction with some, so we will, I'm sure we'll be building a lot of them. At this point, I'm assuming not what you're gonna do after each section is to just meet with Allen or somebody at a road crew to get it done. This is what's weathered. Any other roads, obviously, that are not Allen knows the sections that are dis-maintained. You can do that with these other roads. Yep, exactly. Anybody having FEMA work, it's in on. And we will be skippin' through the temporary grid rental agreement. Mm-hmm, yeah, that's fine. We will go to the facility used to policy, which has been presented to us by the last board member. Yep, and, yeah, we have some formatted changes. So just a quick question, I know it's up to you from the Dam Sheldon operating on Wednesdays. She's been a follower of the rail and whatnot. Yep. Is that? It's said here that that has to go through the event official. We know that that's the case of number three of the claims that are being made. The rails are prohibited during public events unless provided or by event officials. Open planes are prohibited inside of that announcement. Well, that... I did know that was something true. What happened was, the situation is that Stacey Farcom came to Greg to talk to him about safety and zoning regulations about being able to do this. And to see if he must, he has a trailer, right? Yeah. That's what I thought. Yeah, and there's no zoning regulation, of course, that covers that. And we don't have an itinerant vendor ordinance either. So there was nothing to prevent him from doing that. We did put him in touch with a couple of people, including Mr. Dutty, John Dutty, to who does the Ban Sheldon concerts. And so he, he certainly... So they're working out a situation right now about possibility of them. They had been for and after the possibility of them contributing a percentage of, they may have become a sponsor or something, kind of working that out. But since you don't have an itinerant vendor or you can't make them do anything, but we had a good conversation about it and he certainly is willing to contribute as he starts making a profit, but currently he had not estimated it, recommended giving him much food waste literally dependent on him. But the liability of something should happen there. He needs to carry his insurance. He has insurance that would carry that. And I never thought about it. Is that now where is this open flame included in the grill? Is it just part of his food cart or is he setting up a grill somewhere? He's like at the, I'll throw the sidewalk and banish up towards those walk-overs. But it's in his... Yeah, it's in his cart. So it's not... Yeah, yeah, I'm on the street. No, no, no, no. So... There's still a lot of liability which we've got to know. Right. As long as we have maybe a copy of his insurance and I'm on file, I mean, you can't see that that doesn't come in the door yet. I don't see any room here. Yeah, so, but I can ask him to grab a copy of his insurance. And if he doesn't have proper insurance, then you could say that in order, you know, you could say, sorry, you can't do it because it's an open flame and it's the event of the show. I assume that the event of the show would be the slideboard. So you just put on by the council of the arts. Right, but they don't carry insurance. Or, carrying it, either, I think they would have to be the slideboard. But, so I can reach out to him and ask him for a copy of his insurance. What's inside is, I think they were probably more concerned about somebody being able to knock something over and being able to be injured in that way, so, that would be my guess. Did we make a motion last time to adopt this based on the amendments? No, he said that we just bring it back for this time. So I would entertain a motion to accept the utilities policy. Yeah, for a moment. Second. That's right. I'll order this in a second, though. I just hand wrote in the correct date. The only, we currently have the policy, we were having some in parking issues at some of these facilities. So, just clearing up the light. The hours of use policy, as I always stated, 6 a.m. living, of course. So we just wanted to update the language on here just to say, you know, over the entire case. The stage down. I think in this case, the rules that were, make sure that we could, we just want to make sure that Oscar can enforce that. So that was kind of a partner for us. Making entries, I'm sure that would be an issue. I think a couple of stone stares on the River Street Bridge. Yeah. Was that like the AmeriCorps or something? Yeah, like our public house bridge. Yeah, we're working on that. Nice. Back here. Yeah. And then we can measure that. And then we have some updates to the, coin drops and the way that we've been doing the coin drops and the process. So we had, and just to back up for the reasons here, but we had, so up until last year, up until last year, until this year, all of these coin drops used to come before the, yeah, they all came before the board. And then Greg would come to the board with a flash here and had asked, would the board's permission that he could be the overseer of the coin drop program? So we had made a motion to allow, right? So it didn't have to come, because it seemed like almost every board meeting we had one in summer, at least, for reasons. Right. And I think at that time, there were so many times people come looking for a coin drop, but then we didn't really know if the board was looking for it in time, you know. Right, well, we didn't, we didn't certainly know. You know, that's why, so. So looking at this, the end out that you had put together. But Dave Eddie was the one who came to me about it. I guess I'm a little confused. So is it, one of those pieces here that, if you look at the statute there, it sounds like not only does the town have to sign off, but the transportation district would have to have a copy or not signed off on it as well. Yep, that's the way it used to be. And we stopped, well, are we out of that? But then if you look at, so I look into it, so the regulation state, basically that, the town and select board and the local state district would have to sign off on the use of it on state roads. Yes. But then if you look at the piece that talks about and this, the way I read the class one highway one is basically just saying that if the, as long as it's under the authority of the select one, so basically just saying that off, as long as we approve it then, as long as it's inside the class one highway, which normally our point drop is, then it would just be a matter of us accepting it. What do you have to go to the petition? Right, usually what we have done is when you were in a certain, first of all when you were in a certain area, we did have to send it to the district. I remember Randy Snell and I remember him. We had to send it to him. So he would sign off on it, like if we were afraid, so we were stopping, drop the nominee street, as soon as we were detouring out on the state highway, you had to get approval from them. And but with coin drops, I don't think, I think I just kind of sent them to them out of courtesy, but who we had signed was the select board and the town, the select board and the police chief. And since we don't have one, a police chief, we took town manager's office on here, like to say who went and was received, went and was received by, and you guys, because they've had a concern about, because people weren't following, they were doing a coin drop, but weren't following any rules, is that correct, sir? So, and this lays that out, and this tells, so, yes, you do have several month, we coordinate them. Kelly puts them on the calendar and says whether or not, you know, when they, she signs month, it says you could do it this weekend or that weekend, but to me, I mean, we've never turned a coin drop down. No, but what happens is you become liable. If you have somebody in the street, if they were in the street and I could pretty much guarantee that they didn't have, or adhering to any entity's standards and they had minors, then even, you know, the fire department, when they do a coin drop, they can't even have. We can't be on pins and needles, worrying about the loss of silver time. No, you can't, but you, but you, we can get sued for anything down there.  You can't. You can't, you can't, you can't. Yeah. Right. Yeah. And they need to adhere to MUTCD standards. You need to have signage coming up on it for safety of them because if somebody, I don't care who it is and they, and you have waived your authority to approve these and whoever you waived your authority to isn't making sure that they're pulling all uniform traffic. Any drop on the road, it's gonna speed a bit of over 35 miles an hour. Yeah. I mean, there's definitely rules about this and they're there for a reason.  Yeah. Right. And I just can't imagine that this is an onerous process. I mean, it's gonna take two minutes to. I thought when we accepted the coin drop that they, that we assumed liability under the town's umbrella for that, no? Only if it's like the fire department is carried under your insurance, but if the Knights of Columbus wants to do one then they're gonna have to prove they had insurance.  They have insurance. So they need to prove that they have proof of insurance and they need to adhere. The main society usually does that. Then they all have insurance. Historical society would come under the town's insurance. I would have to prove that.  I'll have to ask. But we'll look when we do the new old butt. So it's not only us. So how do we do this going forward? Do we want to bring it back to the board level? Yes. Or do we want to point the town manager to take care of these as we have them? I'm not sure you can do that. I don't think that you can. I didn't see anything that said the key. Han off your authority, listen to him. I don't know. He said the key. Well, I read through it. I didn't see anything that said we couldn't do that. We couldn't assign you. I mean, if we give you the power, that's no different than you being a select one at that point. Right. I always talked about legislative supply.  If a person named in an order made by the agency under the authoritative section neglects or refuses to comply with the order, oh, and I'm like, yeah, I know. I was looking to see if it. Aaron Kelly's doing all the work. Oh, she's doing it. All we need to know is is that time available? Well, and she will have told them that.  And it also says that not-for-profit municipal agencies may solicit contributions provided that approval is granted by the local legislative body. And the legislative body ensures that there is, in effect, a policy of liability insurance. So yeah, I'm not sure you can pass it off to the town manager. But anyways, it's going to take two minutes. When it comes to you, you're all going to know you'll be able to put on Orca and the paper, whatever, that fire department is having a coin drop on. Well, we don't know yet. Possibly on August 31st. And on August 31st. But when they come to you, it will already have been put on the calendar. No, that's fine. I mean, we did it. And the applicants will be aware of all the requirements that you have to fill this out. And they have to fill it out. And they have to sign it. And they have to agree to comply with any and all participant and traffic sign requirements attached to the permit. So I will put a sample on there. So who will be in charge of making sure that those requirements are enforced from being enforced? Being enforced, what we could do is have the, if the constable's on duty that day or myself or whoever, we can make sure. We all drive through in progress. Yeah, exactly. We'll make sure. At least twice. We will make sure that they're enforced because if something happens, they're coming here.  But in this case, they can and they will. So moving on, we have the Beffle Fire Department has asked for a coin draw. There you go. And they are looking for August 31st, the 9th to 1st. And they obviously have the correct insurance. And I know they have signage, but I will certainly go over that with the fire chief. So I entertain a motion to accept the application, and a coin draw for the Beffle Volunteer Fire Department. So? Check it. All right, all right, all right. You've got a signage. What's that? You've got a signage, so there's the chair. Oh, Mo, I'm sorry. Was it Mo and Paul? Yes. I forgot it was taking the minutes, too. I'm like, oh, oops. Oops. Okay, sorry. Oops, go ahead of me. Is it just a chair? Yes, yeah, just a chair. And that's a sample form that was used in, I can't remember what town I found that in, David Kelly, update. Great. Thank you. We'll have Dave in for us. That's right, yeah. August 31st, sorry, thank you. We're gonna give him a, no, I agree. I have. It's the first one. No, I agree. I agree with you. All right. Deputy coin draw. Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey.  We'll have to get smaller, then. All right. We have the right rule of complaint. I think everybody had gotten the letter last time. Right, and then you got another letter because I had spoken with Mr. Wright and then he sent you, which should also be in here, another letter after he and I spoke and Kelly. So I asked Kelly to give you everything, the pictures, the past correspondence. Yes, you can see right here, you got a copy of this where it says Teresa as I spoke to him and he wrote me a letter after. So I wanted you to have the entirety of this. And I did, while I spoke with Brian and he did, and I told the same thing to Alan that he was very complimentary of Doug Marshall, said that Doug came in and fixed some of it, what he could, but by quote Brian, he said, you don't landscape with a grader. So, but he certainly was appreciative of the work that Doug had done and wanted to know that yes, some of the work was initially was done by Doug with a grader. So, that is a large pizza.  And I explained all of this to him and he addressed that in his letter. So I did ask him that if I called him tomorrow with bad news, how was he going to take it? And he said that, well, we'd appreciate my phone call and it might be a unfortunate letter to the editor. And I was like, okay, but he was very kind to me on the phone, we spoke. I was appreciative that I called. And he did say you were there, that you'd seen him doing some of the work. And I had said that, yes, you had said so, the meeting. I mean, I, my opinion on this hasn't changed.  And I think shame on us, we should have been more proactive in reaching out and dealing with the taxpayer and bracketing any damage or fix any damage to the property. I think this set precedents on issues. So I know it's not a lot of women to re-inversing based on that. So, the last one was a hard one, but I think that's what America is going to do. I mean, we might get a little bit, if we start paying these then it will be a never ending. But I think we need to address the situation though. That's, you know, I'm kind of on the fence with being honest with you. I'd almost write them a check myself, but I think he's looking more for a resolution of the miscommunication that he thinks happened or that did happen during the whole process.  Maybe we need to have a policy letter from the select board perhaps. Maybe that might be appropriate, but I understand what you're saying about setting the precedent, but I'm paying for the repairs, but I think that he just, he's feeling like he hasn't had the communication that he should have had in response from the town. I'm happy to send him a letter of apology on behalf of the board if you'd like. I don't know. What do you think? I'm seeing my fence here because I got called up this plug and it might be in my garage because the town didn't clean the bed just in the last 15 years. Fix that for the cost of $100 a dollar. Or fix that and send it in the open. Because you need your pulver unplugged? Yeah, it's unplugged. I dug it out. I dug the dishes out this year. Too late. No, right. I mean, right. I'm only wondering, this is, you couldn't get this done by anybody No? True. That plug. I could just see it. It's so long. Yeah, yeah, absolutely. Yep. Yeah, we'll have 100% and then we'll fill 100 down right. I mean, I fix, you know, I fix damage to my property every spring due to plowing and, you know, I put seed down and break and it takes me an hour or so to do it. Well, that's what I'm saying. I don't think it's the money. I don't think the $116 is the money. No, I mean, we need to do better as, you know, we should be identifying these people when they call and we should hear them out and make a visit to see them and do what we can within reason to address the issue.  I doubt it. I don't know. But a lot of times, you know, people just want to be heard or they want you to come out and at the end of the day, probably, you're right, probably the gentleman here would have just said, hey, do you think next year we can avoid this, you know, but being that he was not heard and, you know, he was ugly and, you know, I don't blame him at all. How does it work? Do you have any complaints? How could that not happen next year? Yeah, not happen to him or someone else. Okay, how could this not happen next year? Okay. Happy to speak to him again. That's fine. Did you want me to, I'll speak to him obviously. I will call him tomorrow, as I said I would. And talked to him about it. Did you also want me to send him a letter? I mean, is this a, Alan, are you familiar with the right on this road? Yeah. Is this an issue that's gonna be an ongoing issue or is this a one-time?   Well, yeah, there was some of those days that it was thought out. So what do we, I guess, what do we, we've had a few of these this year. You know, granted, we probably had more complaints this year just because the winner was really nasty.  No, I don't know. I mean, I will say that. Typically, what is your public works building, anyways? What is, you know, if you get, if someone leaves a message on your machine, what is typically your response to that message? Do you check those messages daily? Do you? He calls people back and we have gotten several compliments from that, about that. This message, about messages, or can't make out a number. I'm not understanding any public number. We saw a number in address and then I'll go, if there's someone on the phone, call them or I'll just call them off. Absolutely.  And I think one of the things that happened last year was that it released, it happened. So several phone calls that I personally fielded were feelings from residents of people pushing back banks or like their lawn or whatever with the wing of the cloud. And obviously the wing isn't used for expanding the size of the road, it's the greater. But there were some complaints about that. And I believe that certainly if that name was given to Allen, Allen called them back. But I do know that was a complaint we were seeing. But yeah, Allen always calls people back. And obviously if we try to do the best customer service we can in the office by answering or taking a message or whatever. And if it's something we can't answer, then we'll say, we'll just give the town garage a call. But if we can answer it or we just take their name and number and then give it to Allen to call them back because we're not out there. We don't know. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. I think that... Well, I think in this case, I think we did an apology letter to them, just to let them know that as a select board we understand the plight and we, unfortunately it went through the path that it took. But on the other hand, we can't set a precedent but sure, covering the charge. And I think that's good because I'll ask how we can do it better. So I think that's a good idea. We really learned from it that our communication needs to be improved. Some monies that were available through the water department. No, sewer. The sewer department years ago purchased that. That was purchased through the federal money for the sewer project so that the sewage would be spent on it. And that was on going for 30 years. So we couldn't use it for anything else. So the sewage explosion for 30 years. That was 36 years ago. Yes. So we have the traffic that's doing nothing. We talked briefly about, you know, could we outfit it to do an activity that would benefit the town, which it doesn't sound like it can. And we talked to Tim about what it was going to, you know, he didn't have to use it for anything. So I think at this point we were talking about getting the approval from the board to go ahead and go out and seek a sale of it. I guess to where a couple of people that had asked about that try to recruit some of those monies and use boards, maybe some of the vehicles that we have. And that money should go back into the sewer system. The money has to go back. I agree with that. I agree with Mo on that. It was a sewer funded project. And Lord knows that, you know, everybody needs the money, right? Sewer, water trucks, anything. But I do think that the money, the sale of the tractor, the money should go into the sewer fund in his capital fund. $5,000 pieces to be rebuilt. Exactly, exactly. And so I do, I agree. I think that it should just go back. And that's why it asked to in the motion for him to authorize him to put it up for sale and to sign the bill of sale. That way he can just take care of it and he'll sell it. But yeah. The money goes back into the sewer system. Yes, the money, yes. And you could make that as a part of your motion if you wanted to, Molly. But I agree. I think you're right. You're totally right. Oh, better put that in the minutes. Mo is totally right. That tractor should be worth somewhere between $3,000 and $12,000 dollars. And who wants it? Well, like Tim actually had looked it up and was surprised at what he had. And of course too, it's been maintained. But it's never had any real work. It's never really worked until the farm track. Right, exactly. Because it doesn't have a lot of hard hours on it and he's maintained it. And so, yeah, he probably has the original, I can guarantee, has the original paperwork that came with it. So I'm sure it's worth it. So why would entertain a motion to authorize a champ and sign any potential bill of sale as long as the major coupons they'll go back to the sewer factor? What do we want? Kind of run it through the trees too before we sign the final bill of sale. No, I think let Tim do it.  But if he can sign the bill of sale, I think that's fine. If you make authorize them in motion, that's fine. It's one less thing I gotta do. And it sounded like talking with him that he was gonna seek out and penetrate. Oh, he has no choice, yeah. He has to put it out. He can't just, he knows a couple of people interested. He has to, and he knows that too because it is town property. Hence why it's like boarded. It's the only one, okay? And he seemed pretty confident that he could get a piece of value. Oh, yeah. Maybe a minute while he's following up on it. I'm confused. Well, remember last time she only gave you every other paid, you got the whole deal, but the people scanned it. But it says from June 24th and July 8th. So I have July 8th and I have June 10th. So do we not have June 24th? Oh, for goodness sake. I didn't look through the packet. So I thought it wasn't July 24th that you only get every other page of? No, I know, I'm just asking. Yeah, some of the, yeah. So maybe she put, all right, so it has to be, so she put the wrong minutes. Or these June 10th minutes. I don't know why you got the 10. I can't answer that question. Yeah, I don't know. But you're right, June 10th. So, great to like tell her. All right, so I guess you're just gonna be able to approve the July 8th one. Can you get it expensive? It is, I'm gonna talk. I know. It's like, yeah. So that paper and the books getting expensive? Well, that's why we're not doing it. This is what a perfect example. 75 pages times three or four that we've done on this. Oh, but that was the bids. Those are the bids though, okay. So not impact again. Okay, I will flag her. 24, okay, how about the eight? Well, I'll need the eight. Oh, yeah, the eight. This is the eight. Yeah, that's the eight right there. Okay, that's cool. I didn't see anything. Good night. Good night. You take care. A little bit today. I'm gonna take a motion to the July 8th meeting. Yeah, second. Okay, favorite. Good design and 24th, well, hold on. So you'll put the English in the packet next time. Do you guys not worry? No, the 24, the eight, yeah, sorry, in the book. Yes, son. Perfect. Well, because what happened was getting confusing because nobody knew what the ones in the book were the amended ones or the not amended. I finally said, look, why don't you just let them adopt the minutes to make any changes and then have them sign the book. And you don't even have to sign the book. All you have to do is once you accept them at the board, meaning you don't even have to take the other step. But since you've done it for so long, you can. He's been in another way for 612 years. I know, well, that's why we're gonna like, keep doing it. I'm just saying, you don't have to cook them back. He's already trying to change things. I'm just trying to streamline the process. That's all. But you can sign it. I made the constable reports. I think the one thing that I'm kind of enjoying was reading Oscar's reports. It seems like, you know, he's cracking down on stuff.  Yeah, you hear about it, it's over. Yeah. We're done. It's not a lot. Now, the ticket report that we saw, is that a quarterly thing we're gonna see? Or a monthly? I don't have to ask. I'm not sure. In the last meeting, we had a kind of a... He wasn't around at all last week. No, he had surgery. So he's actually out for like three weeks or a month. I don't know why you didn't see him. Oh, okay. I don't know why. Yeah, he's out. Should we speed for a while now? Yeah. As long as the state is on his head. You're on tape here, but... No, it seemed like he's rid on top of things. Other than, yeah, it's nice to kind of be able to catch up with what's going on to you guys. Yeah, yeah. Instances-wise, I've talked to a few of the business owners in town that have been pleased with some of his clean-up work. Getting some of the ripped wrap off the streets that shouldn't be there. I've been good for you, man. Yep, and he's good? He's been, I wouldn't say that we don't have any issues that have been ripped, but it seems like that hot spot's kind of dug down a little bit because he's been spending a little bit of time out there. He actually got one in his report there. I actually got two out there. Dirt bike and unregistered, unexpected business. Seems pretty good. The other thing, Scott, with some of the business owners downtown, is they like how responsive he is to the impacts of issues with some people in town and they make a call and he's pulled me around. Speaking of that, I just from downtown, the, you were gonna talk to me about the bulb outs. Yeah? I had a shock, yeah. I forgot about that. I forgot. Not fast. We can do it under other conditions. Uh-huh. All right, and then we had some other meeting minutes. He's been presumed to be coming with a position that's open. What do you mean for the, on the floor? He's only put an idea of a few places and we recommend it. Yes, yeah. I tell him. He's visible. He's getting asked together. We've always got that like basically other than the newer person that's working there now. Maybe they thought it was. There's someone that's been working there for maybe a month now. We haven't had a meeting. Okay, he seems to keep the facility a lot cleaner. I know it was the last couple of times I've been down there. He started working there a month before he came. Yeah. Oh, he's been working there. Ryan, he's been working there for ages. Yeah, months. Yeah. Yes, but he started as a part-time position where he was making sure that if you paid cash, he checked your slip and made sure that's all you were throwing out. And then when Roger Vesfer retired. Someone else has been in there running the excavator and stuff. And whoever that is has been keeping that place. That's Ryan. That's Ryan. That's Ryan. Yeah, okay. Cause you'd be going there on Saturday at 11 o'clock. You know, there's a lot of stuff piled up in here, so it's doing a good job. That's it all. And there was a rec committee minutes. It was, it was the town of Duffield annual meeting. Though she hadn't, she hadn't done her. I was a little confused with that one. I mean, throughout the week. Man, I forgot to put a minute back. Can we talk about the recreation minutes for a second? Yeah. Cause I have a question. Ellie reached out to me as a says in here. They're talking about the old swing set will have to be removed in August. They talked about an app under other business because so that people can premiere, can start work on the skateboard park and then Deeterport that Morgan had suggested that they dig out Culverd. And so I drove over there Friday after I had looked at some issues on Camp Brook Road and looked at the pool and spent five minutes with Deeter. So she could tell me where in the plan where were things supposed to be. And so she pointed out for me where the skate park was gonna be. So what Ellie had sent me an email saying that she wanted to meet with me on the 29th I think at 10 a.m. And she wants to talk about any engineering work that needs to be done before the skate park was in. Well, so there's a couple of things. Steps to the one hand is that it needs to be redone.  So we could look at the area. 50,000. And we've talked about that several occasions about the drainage because that piece of land there has always had a very high water level. And we've talked about the water comes off that hill and that's been part of that design for a while. Creative Theory has been in that process as it's been going, but that's just not everything. What I was a little bit concerned about also in this is it says pre-year work will need to start on a skateboard as it's pre-year the name of the business because this isn't gonna happen. She can't sole-source it. And we can't prove that yet. Last I knew they were getting prices from... Because when Shane stood right in front of the door I was like, Parker? Parker. Yeah, Parker. It's making for nearly a year. He's still gotta go out to the meeting. Yeah, Parker, but they can't. I mean, you could just start. You could sole-source it because it isn't approved to do so. However, I'm not, I didn't think the question you guys were interested in doing that. Well I think the tough thing on this was because it's a design, it's almost like a design bill, night and deal. Right. So I don't know how you would do that. I mean, you can tell. You could do the right to do that within your policy. But we hadn't settled down back over. We hadn't settled down on the final design yet either. They're supposed to come back to us anyways. Yeah, she doesn't spend any federal money that requires this.  So I just wanted to rank her together and she was doing what she's meeting that same day. So there was something to carry out about relocating. And I said, go ahead, because when you see that price act, you're going to cry because I've relocated stuff before. And I didn't move over there to the underground. You can do that stuff away. So I did tell her, I said, go ahead, because once you see that price, I'm not sure if we have, is moving the power lines due to the state power or due to the other cases? Okay. Because she is getting a price on that. And she's trying to score in basketball or something that they want to put there. We got that. That's 50,000 is going to be gone before even, before even, yeah. But if you're going to need a civil engineer to work with that to be able to run off it. But I just want to be here when I tell her, and it's going to be upsetting. But I want to be sure that they know about this for years. That if the cover is that carrying, it starts. For the four or five years. We've talked about it. I mean, right from the beginning, we talked about it. But they want to move the power because of where I guess it's going to tennis court. So? Now, what do we need? When you talk to one of the tennis court court, one court on that point. I just want her to rest. If I don't know, initially, when we backed up late, whatever, four years ago, five or whatever, we started as a union. Parker was the initial designer that they were using. And I remember them talking about a professional play-signal engineer. You haven't offered her any money to be sent to then yet, have you? No, you just gave her the branders who said that she had $50,000. And so, I thought whatever she's going to buy. Yeah, thank you. Sorry, Sam. I thought about coming off her. I just wanted to make sure the branders were clear. There is a possibility of soul sourcing this. To put it in the middle of it. However, she needs to make that pitch to more. Because we do have the right to do that within your policy, but... So, I just want to make sure I... I think the way you did it right now is a design build-type process. It's a specific thing, but I think that once she finds out how much the engineers are going to cost her an excavation, that she's going to realize that, you know, because they did have a nice chat with Beatree, and I wasn't curious, because it's a question I don't know, for a historic recreation committee, what's the... Is this something that was started many years ago, or the state park is? It's been around for quite a while, but it's been way back, right? The new proposal of all the proposal, which, well, it started with the... We went back to the pool, which we started with the pool, you know, the rehab and the rehab facilities, which we ended up getting covered to. That was... I want to say that was approved in, like, 2015. I think since it was so long ago, and that the people that were potentially in this state are moved on, have you considered this... Putting this back out at a future company, maybe not to vote on, but at least to say, hey, we recognize that the planning people run several years ago, that things have changed, that I've managed to no longer have a place to go next door, have you considered coming that out to a survey at town meetings to say, hey, you know what? Because the only thing I'm assuming that the motion was, was the grant that was approved, that planner, does anybody remember? It was never approved. Oh, okay. It wasn't actually approved. The money was, the money was... It was around 2012, because it was around the Irene time. And... I'm not sure if I'm going to ask that. There was three options, and they got feedback from the town of which option they wanted to go with, which was basically the option was to lay out a piece of that. They all had pretty much the same components. But the town authorized additional monies though, that one year. Yeah, so... When Corey did his presentation. So we started off the fund with like 20,000 dollars we were appropriating in a year. Right, but you never said that when I read the language of the fund specifically because we had to take some money out of this and replace the pool pump. And I didn't say it was consistently forced to be part of anything. So I'm wondering if there's so much time is left that perhaps you might want to start a new recreation community to put out a survey at town meeting that says, hey, you know, the baseball is gone, it has a bad atmosphere. Plan, what do people see as when they really want first? Maybe they want tennis courts for their basketball. Maybe there's a way to... There was a town meeting in which Corey Stearns was at that point, you know, pretty vocal and he had gone in front of the voters to ask for additional funds in the 40th that year or something. Just an additional amount of money to be transferred just for the skate park. The group by the voters has a town meeting. Now I do agree that things have changed in town and then taken a long time to put this thing together. I hear a lot more. For dare, are you willing to? Well, they had... You were talking about racing, wasn't you? Did you do the 100th song, yeah? They had a dinner where they had, well, the Tony Hawk race was to be $25,000, I mean, $85,000. Yeah, maybe... There were some other grants they were looking into, so there was... It was gonna be like this $110,000 skate park. And the last grant that they applied for the break, they did a big one, they got $9,000, so $50,000. So I get a lot of comments that, you know, some of the comments I get are about the green space and keeping the green space. Yes. And then I get other comments of people. So those are the... And I think with our committee, late last year, getting back in here to say, listen, you either need to build this thing or move on to something else because it's just... It's been spending its wheels for like two, three years and it looks like... Well, I'm just beating each of the other day. I don't know if they have one. But she has some terrific ideas because people are coming to her and saying, hey, you know, and she has some great ideas about what could be done there because people are approaching her and she's also thinking about other just swimming and how to change in the high school, you know, the equipment. And it's very interesting and she has a lot of good ideas. And... Well, why don't we only get to the break, maybe? And then we can talk. See what's up and what the game plan is. We did tell them before that they could make a decision because they were waiting on that last grant and they ended up not getting it. Correct. And at that point they were supposed to either move forward with the build or move it off the path with the plan B or C or whatever. Yeah. Well, now I'm just wondering... Here we are, it's August. GNC, if you could now get any to go ahead with the interaction. I mean... Well, it's already August now. I mean, by the time you do your engineering studies for all that part you've shot the rest of the summer. Yeah, I think so. I mean, if it was up to me, I would... I'd go get some framing and make sure you had nice skating as well or something like that. You can do something. Yeah, I will tell you that. I'm sure you take some way to don't make it a lumber. Well... There's some that would be a lumber too. By your vacation, put the water in and then you can skate in a lumber. D3 was approached by someone who said that if you put a basketball court in I will come and I will face them. He said it doesn't matter what every year. Somebody ordered one. D3 has some really good ideas. It might be important for us to have them with a rap or a skate park. And I'll come in and... We'll be now in town meeting day. I know they had talked about maybe doing a little bit before the snow flies, right? You're starting some of them... You're kidding. ...footing board or something. I can't do that until you get your other engineering stuff. And I wasn't aware of that until she started to email and that's when I said that it was time to set up an address. He just told me where the stuff was supposed to go. And she said, yeah, and then he outlined some of the things that are in there. I'm just telling you... This may be the third occasion. Very good. Yeah, actually, I put someone that said that they had... You had a basketball court with a wire fence around it. They had a wire fence around it. Sure. Very good talk with someone about that. I don't know. It's a real ocean tree. It's a real ocean tree. My guess is that they went only one. See if we can get him in on the 12th, is it? All right, continue. Okay. I'll speed it up. I just want to make sure there's... There's three of them. I can't do it right now. I don't know. Something, yeah. It's very popular. Maybe a shirt. We're going to talk about it quickly. So, I mentioned the trees. I don't know. Last week, maybe? Yes, man. One day I noticed it. Yeah. And we know that and I knew the hardware store but we're not supposed to go. We talked about it because it was... That was the one that we had decided to wait. Why don't we move that set? It was a strange driver. Two sets. Two sets. Two sets, yeah. There's two sets, yeah. So, that was the only place they were. Yep. And we knew... There was no steering or stuff. Yeah. And then he was... He had to purchase... He had to be purchased in one half. But maybe what I'm saying is since he couldn't put one in for the next one month and he didn't have the anchors... They've been doing that on me. They didn't even have the documentation. Luckily, Kelly found them. Take part in them. I mean, it's not necessarily something important. We purchased... And we were supposed to do some reflective paint on them. We were going to ask you if there was all the products or some kind of... Some kind of... We were going to look at, like, some 3M reflective paint on top because they were hard to see at night. And then... Some kind of... They had some cones on them. But the cones were... We were going to install them and then the local business owners could get adopted.  Even though... I just want to go out there and then... The same with pros. Same with pros. What's the name? What's the name? What do you say to them? You probably say, I don't hear anything. I'll tell you. Do we get in trouble from the grant? I don't think you have any time you want to.  Like, then you can cover your grant on my review. Because it's the... Right. What? So what about... Anything... Anything on... Stroke block don't even show up at all. Is the hydrant... Is the hydrant in the back? I'm a little bigger. It's okay. Okay. I'll take it.