Once you join the Spanish channel, we recommend you shut off the main audio so you only hear the Spanish translation. Charles, would you be able to restate that in Spanish please? Para los recién llegados a la reunión, la interpretación en español está disponible y las personas quienes deseen escuchar en español pueden pasar al canal de español. Para cambiar de canal, haga clic en el icono de interpretación invocado en la barra de herramientas de zoom para hacer un globo terráqueo. Ya que sé una al canal de español, recomendamos que apague su micrófono para poder escuchar la interpretación claramente. Gracias. Buenas tardes. Buenas tardes, Gregg. Yo no hice mi homework. Buenas tardes. Me gusta hacer el avión una vez más antes de que el mayor le diga el orden de la reunión. Para los que están en la reunión, la transición en español está disponible. Y los miembros de la comunidad que desea escuchar al canal de español pueden participar. El icono de interpretación está en el botón de tu screen. En tu barra de zoom, parece que es un globo. Si te gusta este canal, recomiendo que te apague tu audio, para que te onlye la transición. Para los recién llegados a la reunión, la interpretación en español está disponible. Y las personas quienes deseen escuchar en español pueden pasar al canal de español. Para cambiar de canal, haga clic en el icono de interpretación invocado en la barra de herramientas de zoom para hacer un globo terráqueo. Ya que sé una al canal de español, recomendamos que apague su micrófono para poder escuchar la interpretación claramente. Thank you, Charles. Here's the city. Here goes to the story. Here goes the show. Good luck. Thank you. Going on. Well, you're not going to voice. Good morning, John. Good morning, Dan. Alright, I'm seeing a quorum of the council. Let's go ahead and reconvene our goal setting meeting here. It's right at eight o'clock. Madam City Clerk, do you want to call the roll? Yes. Thank you. Councilmember Tibbets. Here. Councilmember Schwedhelm. Here. Councilmember Sawyer. Here. Councilmember Fleming. Morning. Here. Councilmember Alvarez. Present. Vice Mayor Rogers. Present. Mayor Rogers. Here. At the record show that all council members are present. Great. Thank you so much, Stephanie. Just as a quick recap for folks who are joining us this morning. We did have our meeting yesterday where we started to talk about COVID response, climate change, economic resiliency and childcare, fiscal stability and funding of services. We are coming back today. You'll see a discussion about government and council reform, homelessness, housing and affordable housing, organizational diversity, equity and inclusion, and then finally public safety priorities and reform. We'll take a little bit of a break, come back and talk a little bit about the PGD settlement funds and wrap up our workshop here today. So just thank you all for joining us. Thank you council members for all being here. I'm going to turn it over to the City Manager. I just want to thank council and staff for the last couple of days and our look in. I know I as well as the rest of the staff are looking forward to the conversations today and I'll turn it over to Greg. Thank you very much mayor and manager and council. If we could advance to the next two slides please. And there we go. That's the public hearing on Wednesday night that the council garnered quite a bit of public comment about the priorities facing the city. Next slide please. And as the mayor mentioned, here's the work we did yesterday with the one exception of the communication style assessment we dropped for time management purposes. However, I did want to look the council and staff know you all received the form last night to do the simple communication style assessment yourselves and send me the results. Some of you have already sent me results and I will be providing that back to the city as a separate document just for your use in the future. And we will include it in our final report as well. So if you could just print out those sheets by Sunday night and send back your answers that would be great. Next slide please. And as the mayor just outlined we are going to finish addressing the council priorities as yesterday we'll have an average of 25 minutes on each of the five and I'll be playing a little bit of a clock watcher for us to keep us on track. We've allowed more time for the discussion of the PG&E settlement up to 45 minutes if the council needs it. And then we'll do a 15 minutes on just confirming the council's direction on the community advisory board composition before moving to wrap up and the target adjournment time is noon but if we're able to adjourn a few minutes earlier like yesterday I'm sure the council and public wouldn't mind in staff. So with that we'll jump right into the work of the day. Next slide please. As before these charts show what the council said in the interviews. I'll briefly highlight those as we get to each item. Staff may offer additional comments in terms of work plan items that were raised yesterday for each of these and then we turn it over to council for discussion and direction and we're looking for what's most important for staff to include in the work plan what needs to be done in the first six months or in the seven to 18 month time frame or any further direction on these items that council wants to give staff so they can incorporate that direction into budget development and the work plan. So the first one up as the mayor mentioned is government and council report. The interview comments are again listed in rough order of council mention as I did yesterday. Several council members mentioned looking at the issue of compensation for council given the workloads and volume of the job and to ensure diverse representation to follow through on the previously adopted open government reforms including the tracking of the workload and cost impacts as the council discussed on a number of items yesterday to continue enhancing cooperation with the county and that may have already been covered in the goals you discussed yesterday. A couple council members saying now that redistricting is fully engaged looking at how that's working and any further modifications may be an issue for the future and to mitigate any challenges that districting causes then we have the carryover work plan items of the civic engagement 101 videos. It was mentioned yesterday about charter changes and while that was not brought up by more than one council member directly some of the items such as council compensation would require a charter change so it may have been in closer preference previously. I know there was discussion yesterday by staff on the pursuit the council once of redistricting and charter reform from the kind of minimum required to a full scale publicly engaged effort on either or both staff did mention workload concerns that trying to do both of those simultaneously as a fully engaged public process would be taxing given the work is almost entirely done by the manager's office, clerk's office and city attorney's office directly. One other data point that the attorney brought up yesterday is that the census information won't be available till September which really leaves just five to six months to do redistricting before the new districts have to be formed prior to the 22 election. So with that manager or attorney any additional comments from you before council starts providing their comments. Not from me, thank you. Not from me. Mayor and council, I think staff is would like to hear your direction on this area of priorities for the next year and a half. Great, who wants to go first? Tom, how kind of you? I thank you. Let's see how long we can hold out. First, if I could get a clarifying question regarding council compensation, I heard Greg just say that requires a charter review and my understanding that was more of a policy. Madam city attorney could you clarify is that a charter requirement to adjust that or a council policy? Yes. It would require a charter amendment. Well, let me clarify. If you only want to make a slight difference in the compensation that could be done without a charter amendment, but the charter currently provides a very limited range of compensation and really ties it to the state law. So very limited. If you want to look at any significant change to council compensation, it will require a charter amendment and I am happy at any point if you want to talk about what the process is for a charter amendment. Okay, thank you. Thank you for that clarification. I've heard both versions of that, so that was very helpful. I wanted to have a conversation about some of the district-based potential challenges that we have is now the time, because I heard Greg asking for feedback about each of these versus operating procedures and I'm happy to include that here, but I see the city manager also unmuted, so he might have input. Yeah, I mean, one of the things that I had requested yesterday is understanding a little bit better since there is significant overlap and I can't remember if Councilmember Schwed if you had stepped out at that point there's significant overlap between the redistricting conversation and the opportunity to address the charter and I think, again, just concerned that we have the resources to support to full public facing and so I was trying to figure out where Council was going to prioritize each of these conversations, especially based upon what we learned last year, just yesterday from the city attorney that the census data to approach a redistricting conversation will not be available until September with an April deadline and I will, for point of clarification, I believe this is now the third delay that we've been informed of on the census data so they keep pushing back the data availability on the census data. We were supposed to already have it pretty close to it, I believe, in March so that's the concern as the council contemplates the overlap between a potential charter revision and the district and the information we need to get from the federal government to actually engage in the district conversation. I just wanted to point that out. And I do think that Councilmember was actually referring to how we all operate within our districts and communicate and coordinate. And if I may, when we get to the point where you want to talk about either a charter amendment or this redistricting, the redistricting process, which is, again, separate, I understand from the discussion of how are things working with district-based council members. But I'm happy to kind of walk through what the workload is, what it entails, both to do the redistricting process and to do the charter review. So if that's of interest to the council at any time, I'm happy to do that. And Mayor, I might add this council through this retreat, I believe it was two or three years ago when you were first moving to districts, started the discussion of how would a district-based system work and having worked with other cities who had to move to districts, it will be ripe this next year to have that discussion about how is the district approach working and what can be better done. If there are particular concerns the council member has about redistricting, it might be good to raise those now to tee up the future discussion that is probably going to be ripe in six months or certainly by this retreat next year. So thank you for that, Greg. So I think it is teed up. I think it's easiest just to use the example when it's a district, an issue is related to one specific district, but all seven of us on the council have a voice in it and I'll just use the recent example of the Bennett Valley Golf Course. The mayor also is in that unique situation where he is the spokesperson for the entire council. So sometime, I think it was last week there was a virtual town hall meeting that I wasn't aware of and comments were made there and now I have community members on this specific issue asking me and asking me to comment on comments that the mayor made that I was not privy to. So again, it's a process question how do we want to deal because I know, I can't say when or where but I'm guessing future conversations similar to this will occur and so I was just hoping all seven of us could have a working understanding of what it's choosing to do a virtual town hall say do we let everyone know or do we just let the district representative know because I know Mr. Sawyer was made aware of it. I don't know if anyone else was and now we start getting into some of the Brown Act challenges. So that's the thing that I was just hoping we could talk about so we're all on the same page about how we move forward and then from Mr. City Manager's perspective I'm not sure what staff resources would be available for any of us but I'm happy to hear people's thoughts as well I do weekly Zoom meetings really just a sort of spitball with the community on whatever they're thinking about or whatever questions that they have that I don't use any staff resources on and I'm happy to invite council members to it understanding that we have to prevent a Brown Act Brown Act a violation from happening but I'm happy to hear folks thoughts on it and and the only thing I would add is currently there's not staff support for those types of endeavors and so we would need to assess what the county what the council wanted us to what the item was what the council wanted and then we would be able to tell you the parameters that could be done and the impacts that would need to be dealt with but without a specific program it's hard to assess but if that's what the council wants us to assess we can do so I will just say even though council member Rogers I mean Mayor Rogers is not using staff resources we get a lot of feedback on Mayor Rogers meetings and so there are there are impacts I will say there may not be budgetary impacts but there are impacts and I have to play my role here as facilitator rather than trying to resolve this issue I'd like to do two things one Sam if you could note this particular issue in the bike rack but then it is also reflected if we go back to the slide under review and mitigate district based representation challenges as basically articulated that's one he would like to see addressed probably in the next six months as a kind of operational policy issue that will take staff time so if that's a fair placeholder council member for what you've articulated I'd like to move on to getting comments from the rest of council on priorities they see on this list particularly related to charter reform versus redistricting you heard the manager say doing both of those is a highly engaged public participatory process will challenge your staff resources so it may be one of those you want to pursue as a highly public process why not I will share one council member did mention we did redistricting or districting the first time mid decade so it might be feel a little early to do a comprehensive redistricting right now especially if your district configuration might be changed by charter reform however you do have a legal obligation to do some level of redistricting to incorporate the census results but that could be a more staff council or council committee driven rather than a big public process so I'd call that redistricting light you also have charter reform light if you wanted to just pursue the districting changes needed in the language or a very focused scaled down charter reform but that may preclude further charter changes for a decade given the language in your charter you can only do once a decade charter changes with that go back to council for feedback on priorities for government and council so if I could just I'll just finish up that conversation so for me the priorities would be the charter review that and the fourth item there the enhanced cooperation with the county everything and anything we can do to maintain that and improve that would be a priority for me thanks right council member Tibbets thanks mayor so jumping off where Tom left I think to me council compensation and district what is it the districts challenges are one and the same and the reason why I say that is because it is a I think a time based challenge for a lot of us certainly me as somebody who works and we have a growing number of working council members now and so I've always asked or tried to let's get to a point where we could either basically just have the financial resources to either pair ourselves to do this as a full time job to be able to respond to the community's needs as a true district based representative should or have the resources to hire somebody on a part time basis or whatever it may be to help us get done what we need to get done I'll be the first to admit I don't respond to every email I do not read every email I think it's sent to me and I wish I could I just can't but I don't think that's me serving my district to the best of the the ability of district based representative should and so when I'm looking at those two things I think that we should basically commingle those two issues and look at them kind of comprehensively other district based representation challenges you know I'm definitely curious about how we're making appointments to boards and commissions right now speaking for myself I'm appointing a lot of people from throughout the city and I kind of have an internal struggle about whether that's a good idea or a bad idea maybe I would welcome a discussion about that follow through so I would put those two at kind of priority in the top tier priority we are fully district based council now I think that we should really have a plan for how to be that to completion the open government reform should also be number one because I heard this council I think it was unanimously say a couple of months ago that we need to track our progress track our impacts both fiscal and time enhanced cooperation with the county I'm a little intrigued to see this on here at all I think that should just be our disposition and everything we do with our interaction with the county I know that it can be very difficult but you know I think we should either work with them or not and when we work with them we should cooperate to the best of our ability and our financial interest the redistricting I'm not in favor of it all we just went through that it wasn't pleasant it wasn't fun any which way we cut the districts we were correct according to a lot of folks so I would just like to see us obviously follow the law and do what the law does but boy that's a messy deal review and mitigate oh that's the other one sorry disseminate civic engagement 101 videos I think that's a really cool idea but I just don't see that as being high on our to-do list with everything going on and pursue 2022 charter changes I think absolutely I thought we were pursuing that in 2019 in anticipation of 2020 I think fires and PSPS got in the way that might understand the support that we had to defer what I'd like to get back to it and that's it thanks just a point of clarification council number two it's the earliest you could legally pursue it was the first time it can be on the ballot charter firm was November of 2022 oh ok well thanks for that clarification my mistake Adam Vice Mayor so going down the list I would say I would like to consider compensation for council members I being a mother and working multiple jobs you will often in the community will often get emails my response at one to a clock in the morning just so that I can read the emails and get back to people which I do but it would be nice for council members to get compensated according to the number of hours that they put in in addition to that it allows us to have an increased diverse council because everyone cannot sacrifice going to work or have a flexibility in their work schedules I think it's a great idea to follow through with open government reform and to track the workloads and cost impacts I don't really see redistricting I'm not sure why we need to do a full redistricting I don't know what's wrong with it but maybe I'll learn that as we go along if we decide to do that and definitely think we need to pursue the charter the charter changes ok council member Sawyer you're muted John took a while for me to notice that sorry about that the two that I think are the most important to address sooner than later is number two and number three the follow through on the open government reforms and I think they were really pretty close to finishing that work as it affects the clerk's office so tracking open government workload and cost impacts I'm not sure if we have if the clerk's office is prepared to give us a an accurate picture of the impacts on their office and the city attorney's office and the entire organization for that matter I would be very interested in knowing the impacts sooner than later the cost of those impacts are and whether or not we can make some adjustments as necessary or whether it's going to take more staff but this is immediately impacting several of our departments and we've talked about going back and reviewing the decisions we made and the effect on staff of those decisions and the community so I think that's really pressing to me and whether we have whether we have dealt with it long enough for the clerk's office to know is we would only know through talking to that particular department and the city attorney's office all of those that are most impacted by the decisions that we made so those rise to the surface for me I'll touch on the others considering council compensation absolutely it'll be very interesting to see how large of a mountain that is to climb with the community they don't there's a tendency not to want to vote to give council members increased wages but that is our compensation that's been a while since that conversation took place so maybe the community is understanding the impact that has on our diversity and our ability to attract people to serve the community and one should not have to make a decision between serving the community and their ability to work so even though it wouldn't know how much that would be when it would start, who would be affected by it there's a lot of conversations that would have to take place but I've been a proponent of that for a very long time the enhancement of the cooperation of the county should be always sitting in our minds as something that we need to enhance wherever possible redistricting as necessary once the census is finished and they force us to look at our population balance then we may have to do some redistricting but that's as required is perfect the district bank representation challenges I think councilmember Schwedhelm indicated one that would be a good example of something we need to discuss and I think that's probably it but I really am interested in hearing back from those affected departments what the open government decisions or reforms that we've already put into place how their departments are being affected and what kind of impact it's having right now and whether or not they are they have lived with it long enough to know what kind of changes might be important to make on the decisions that we made that's it alright thanks John councilmember Alvarez good morning everyone in regards to the city council compensation I believe that it provides an opportunity for those that are better prepared to lead and serve than I would be and I would invite those individuals to the dice and really provide them a living wage something where they don't have to worry about starving while they're trying to represent their city so I do see the importance of the compensation and open government reforms I think very good points were made I know that that we've done a good job moving forward especially with the Spanish translations and really being inviting and inclusive I really have to give props to the city of San Rosa to being at the forefront on this issue but we do strive for that excellence so there's always room for improvement tracking open government workload I think on this issue my job is to listen and listen to city staff and no one's going to know the workload and the task that they see better than they so on this one I would definitely take a listening approach enhanced cooperation with the county being that vice mayor Rogers and myself are from the new district there's definitely new strings that would love to see tie up as it's a commitment that we made in the pre annexation process the investments the cooperation of road repair so I would definitely like to carry on that conversation and really maintain a teamwork mentality with the county in regards to conduct conduct city council district redistricting as required again I'm from a new district I would hate to see us redraw the lines the people of district one are barely getting used to the lines that they have now I definitely want to let the dust settle before we decide to shake things up a bit so I'm a little bit wary of that in regards to the review and mitigate district based representation challenges councilman Schwalheim brought great points in regards to I mean the Benavali golf course is just one of them I know that I was actually planning to have a listening session with them as well I think it's better that I pull back a little bit and see what my fellow council members feel about the process and tips another great point about how we seek our representatives our council, our appointees for myself I want to work on a tool our mentorship program where I am inviting people that have never served on boards to be shadowed or shadow those individuals who are experts in their field so I definitely would like to have the at-large capacity to be able to pull people from throughout the city of San Rosa especially for to serve and teach those that have, again, never had a taste of local government so I definitely see the importance of that and I am a perfect example of that so I definitely understand the challenges that maybe the inexperience have and I think that's it for now but I thank you alright councilmember Fleming yes thank you this is an important interesting stuff I have a couple of clarifying questions for the city attorney one is you mentioned that actually the city manager mentioned that the students we could get anything on is November 2022 regarding the charter illegally would it be possible if we did it in time we get something on the June 22 primary ballot actually it has to be on the November the November ballots the November 22 is the first that we would be able to get that on and I think also as a practical matter even as a practical matter it would be very difficult to get in the spring election but under the charter we need to put it on the primary the primary November election ok, thank you and then when you said that the council can change our compensation but it's very narrow the amount that we can do can you speak to what you meant in more detail yes and I don't have the exact numbers or percentages right in front of me although I could get those easily state law very much limits how much increase you can have in council compensation over time and it's very limited my recollection is it's maybe it's 10% don't hold me to that but it's a very low percentage that you could raise your compensation given that your compensation is so low it would take obviously considerable time to make any significant difference if you want to make a more substantial change in compensation ok, well thank you very much so directly to the compensation issue especially if we had and is that a per annum thing, the percentage regardless of what exact percentage is so yes ok, thank you so I'll dive in with compensation which I echo what all of my other council members have said and want to say that had we been raising it 5 or 10% a year for all this time we would probably be at a living wage and so I think that we need to be proactive and do what we can and then bring the bigger jump to the voters but if we start to make a policy that we do a cost of living or whatever we can under state law at least we can begin to mitigate the fact that every every year every month that the paycheck that we get just is less and less valuable and really is kind of just lunch money but so I think that's really vital for us to be able to have responsive and representative workforce on the council and I'm hopeful that the voters will understand in the wake of y the ongoing issues just how much our council works so to me that's the number one issue that I see coming and then the charter review is dovetails really nicely with that and I for one can't wait to get started on that redistricting I understand we have a legal requirement to do it and it might have charter implications and to that end I was really disappointed to hear that the census data is coming in later than projected but I think we need to charge on with the charter review and then respond to the census data maybe after that or in a light way redistricting doesn't sound like any fun I'd rather have dental work done but we do have a responsibility to do it and I've never been one to shy away from the difficult discussions that we need to have and so but that one is one that we don't really have a lot of control over time wise so figure we ought to deal with what we can which is really that charter review and then of course like the open government task force I think that city staff needs to let us know so we can be responsive to them as we promised we would be and enhance cooperation with the county is really vital to our mutual success but I find that that's a really nebulous goal and everybody always talks about wanting to cooperate with the county but when the rubber hits the road there's you know tons of county organizations or departments and there's tons of city departments so I'd like to see that more fully flushed out operationalized in order for me to I supported in spirit I'm not sure how to support it in practice and you know the the mitigated district based representative issue I really feel strongly that district representatives appointees in particular should come from the districts that they that they are appointed by and I think that this gives us a chance of having a more representative workforce but I understand also that it's not easy but I think that we're called among to do the work of finding people and working within our districts in order to to get people into boards and commissions and also to help generate the next group of people who will fill our seats and we're no longer in them especially would like to see the cab seats aligned and then the civic engagement 101 videos that sounds like a sweet idea I'm not sure that it rises to the level of this conversation I think that that's maybe something that you know the community advisory board could do or you know could be a project for the junior college or high school something that could be more citizen driven I'm not really sure you know it's just interesting to me that that's on here with a list of like the charter review but you know it's a lovely idea and I don't have any issue with it except that you know bandwidth but if it's helpful for people to get engaged I'm open to it thank you so thank you I wanted to clarify did pull up the statute so this is on council compensation the state law sets for cities between 150 and 250,000 in population it's $800 per month the maximum increase is 5% per calendar year and it does not compound so it is 5% times over many years you have so that is the limits for the council action that's the limits otherwise you're looking at a charter amendment and with voter approval compensation can be higher can I ask you when you say it doesn't compound meaning so this year if we say let's just do that so $800 so we'd get a $40 raise this year so it would be $840 then can we do 5% next year or no and then it would be $40 again the following year and each year it would just be a $40 increase so it's on the cost basis of $800 that's what you meant by not compounding well my direction would still be let's do that let's just start stemming the flow of the problem and then also bring it to the voters thank you and if I may Mr. Mayor also just to clarify and ask for clarification in terms of the redistricting and I know Mr. Mayor you still need to speak as well but what I'm understanding and hearing is is the more limited doing what we need to do under the law which is to ensure that our districts are balanced and meet the requirements of the federal and state voting rights acts but not to do a comprehensive redistricting and I will note that regardless of which way we go we still need to go through the same process so still need to go through the 4 public hearings again options I know you've discussed before about having a commission involved we can go that direction but we still have to go through the same steps I appreciate that Sue so for me if I had to choose between the two I think the charter review is definitely much more important I'm going to disagree with my last colleague just a little bit I'm not interested in having the political fight year over year I think we need to articulate to the community why we need to have paid council members and I think council member Alvarez really hit it on the head when he talked about representation and when the vice mayor talked about how difficult it is for most people to serve on the council I'd rather we have that as one big fight and gather our allies I think if we dilute the conversation by having 5% increments and then think that's good and that we're done and that's not going to get us anywhere near what we need if we're going to actually fix representation issues I think that that can be handled in the charter conversation so it might be a way for us to alleviate some of the pressure from staff to push this into to charters I also think because we've just moved into districts and we've seen some complications when you have many different candidates who run without a primary process I'm interested in the charter looking at rank choice voting I'm interested in the charter looking at an at large mayor we have a new election system here in Santa Rosa since we moved into districts and I think that it's fully expected that we have a robust conversation about how we conduct our elections to make sure that they're maximizing participation I mentioned that that's more important to me than the redistricting but I also wanted to do a quick devil's advocate and make the case for why we should care about doing a full redistricting this year as well when we did our districts a couple of years ago it was based on 2010 data which means that if we don't go through a full process even our communities that have been underrepresented for a long time and now have representation still will continue to be underrepresented because that's where most of the youth in our community is coming up and when you look at the significant impacts that we've had in our community since 2010 it's housing production in our downtown core and in our southwest and yes it's also the fire so if you remember when we did our districts it was based on the 2010 data which meant that the changes to coffee park and fountain grove were not accounted for in the data the way that they would be if we read it in 2020 our community looks significantly different than it did in 2010 and I think we do ourselves a disservice if we don't actually have that conversation until 2030 that means that we've got 20 years worth of population shift and demographic change that yes I'm hearing we can do a slim down version but I think that whatever we can do to keep it clean and to keep people represented I think is really important and I'd be in favor of doing an independent redistricting committee because it is awkward for us to draw our own lines and I didn't like that process last time to Jack's point so I'll stop there and get off my soapbox I do think that the highest priority for this section is the charter review we do have to do the follow through on the open government reforms we have to track it, we have to see the impacts we have to have a conversation with the community about it enhanced cooperation with the county I think is always a given and it's something that we should always be working towards and not just a specific item on a list but in everything that we do and I will and then the civic engagement 101 videos as I understand it that's on here is the work plan because one of the things that we passed in the sunshine ordinance was asking the community advisory board to do a citizens guidebook and my understanding is that they could do this as videos rather than an actual book so there might be a way for us to offload some of that work onto the community advisory board and help them to fulfill their charter their charter designations and with that I'll stop great Mayor just to reflect back and I will do a quick time check we are about 6, 7 minutes over for this item but again it was an average 25 minutes not an absolute so I'd like to reflect back that I think was clear feedback from the council first and foremost is to pursue charter change and I think we'll have to come back to council to get a scoping of what's to be included in that compensation was clearly raised by a majority of council as one issue that other issues came up as well plus you do have a change you have to do regarding your move to district elections so you that's part of the driver so we already know compensation the district based elections needs to be reflected in the charter change and other issues came up that the rest of council didn't have a chance to comment on be it at large mayor or rank choice voting and other issues so that's item one on redistricting the flip side most of the council said do the minimum that's required and a lot is required you're going to have new census data for a decade of change that's going to force some district boundary changes there's a mandated process you have to go through that the city attorney outlined at most you're going to have six months to do that from September to roughly June to get the new districts drawn prior for the election in November 22 so you're going to have a tight window of the city and the council is going to have a lot of work in general the council was saying do what's required but not more is what I heard with one exception from the mayor then the other issues the county one you heard most council say it's important but it's important as work you do kind of a vague utilization and really activated in the other goal areas where you've already said it's important and I think you will on the upcoming ones as well then the district based representation challenges is one I heard almost majority of council speak to so that might be in a second tier along with the the open government reform you've already provided direction so I'm not sure there's additional work needed by council it's really for staff to report back to you and staff will have to determine on the workload impacts if that will come back to you in the next six months or in the second window and they can do that as part of the work plan so that's my reflection back to you charter change number one start as soon as possible with a public based discussion on compensation and other issues redistricting not to start till September given the census data timing and to do what's minimally required and the other issues as a second tier for staff to work in as they deem appropriate is that a fair reflection back to council of what a majority of you directed and is the consensus I'm saying nodding heads nodding yeah great great the manager has asked that we take a quick five minute break and we may have a schedule readjustment after this break so mayor we could all do a standing stretch break yep we'll recess for five minutes and come back at 855 I still don't like the carry issue but since it's not going to do with you Daniel you're unmuted John that's all good we're coming back Madam City Clerk do you want to call the roll please councilmember Chibitz councilmember Schwedhelm here councilmember Sawyer here councilmember Fleming here councilmember Alvarez vice mayor Rogers president mayor Rogers here yeah we need to do a little adjustment to the schedule we're going to move ahead to the public safety priorities and reform and I'm going to turn it over to chief Navarro will be the staff lead on this one so chief you can step in thank you thank you for the break and the adjustment if the clerk could move forward I believe it'll be four slides on the presentation as the chief joins us again this is a reflection back of what the council said in their interviews as well as what was previously on the work plan staff had presented Mr. Mayor for time management purposes after we hear from the chief if he has any additional comments on this list and workload impacts I'd like to recommend that the council focus their comments on what's most important rather than speaking to every single item on the list that will help in the prioritization of the issues so just to walk through what the council said a lot of recognition that beyond the cahoots model a lot of the work needed by the police department to be incorporated into the DEI priority that we'll be discussing later due to the schedule if we haven't dealt with that yet but that could also be a forum for the trust issue between the police and the community lots of interest in the cahoots model council members brought up mental health services triage while mental health is typically a county function it is an issue that can often be addressed first rather than police response and then some interest in the police auditor function and those issues were all mentioned in the staff report yesterday Chief, any follow up comments before the council discourse Thank you Greg I think you're correct a lot of these can be lumped together we are doing a lot of work planning with our we think the car community ambassador team will work well with our ability to reach out and do additional community engagement once we get to that point and we do have a team that's working on that many of these are going to be based on again our ability to to address this with our management as they will be coordinating some of the work done with the cahoots model and also our work with the seed collaborative we are prepared to be working on that and it's going to fall largely on our management and our trust and community the building the trust and community again goes back to the staffing that we have and balancing our needs to respond to calls for service and emergencies and having the adequate staff to be proactive in those engagements and then I think we talked about the police auditor we are working on our RFP at this point and that should be coming forward within the next 60 days so I would market that it's kind of the coordination with the seed project the cahoots and the auditor are probably both in the are all three in the first six months cycle and ongoing for that work okay great let's hear from council members again on what's most important for you in this priori art so staff can respond in the budget and work plan great we'll start with council member Fleming yeah the most important initiative for me on this issue is the building trust with the community and followed by the cahoots model okay council members what help thank you Mr. Mayor and just for clarification for members of the public it's not Portland's cahoots model it's Oregon's cahoots model so those are things that we're already doing so keep the priority of getting the cahoots model operational and the police auditor function and then the again I think we'll have this discussion with PG&E settlement dollars the fire vegetation management program fire resiliency response strategic plan that needs to be at the forefront for me to continue moving forward thanks thanks council member I think Greg was just checking to make sure that we're all awake this morning council member Tibbet thanks mayor you know I'm going to put police morale within the department and public trust as number one because I think that to be able to strengthen public trust implement things like cahoots we have to make sure that we have a strong department with high morale and then also important to be as vegetation management okay council member Alvarez thank you mayor for me the word trust is one that stands out the most in order to achieve that I personally feel that it is implementing the cahoots program where we are lessening the load on our law enforcement so they can go out in the community and build the trust and nurture relationships and to compliment that I do believe that the auditor function is vital to the process as well thank you thank you council member soyer thank you mayor yeah it's a little tricky to to put a priority for me so they kind of have to bundle the cahoots model and the police auditor program I think kind of go hand in hand the as far as the morale goes you know I'm very concerned about it I think once we have the conversations around the auditor and how that's functioning the the cahoots model and how that is functioning I'm hoping that through that we will be able to help with the morale issue while we build trust between the police and the community so they're these to my mind it's a mosaic and these are all tiles in that mosaic and when placed properly will be an attractive solution and result so they're very much interlinked as far as I'm concerned I did want some clarification on the I can maybe we can finish or I can ask this at the end with Greg telling me where he heard the the overlap and where they do really intermingle and they wouldn't necessarily be standalone projects because they are so many of these as far as police go are interrelated to my mind it would be hard for me to suggest that if we don't build trust and or if we don't get the cahoots model going that we might be still affecting the morale so they are very much connected and I would like to know would actually be pulled apart from that and if not how we work on all of them simultaneously given staff restrictions so and then finally I think the fire vegetation management program is I think vital as far as the fire session of this so I think I'll just stop there Mayor just to respond to the councilman's comment the language that's involved is a reflection back to council of what council told me in language comparable to what the council said so I think the council members absolutely correct there is overlap between these and clear linkage between these as well as with some of the other priorities I do think the building trust the morale, the police auditor function and the work with seed under diversity all do blend together and they are overlapping I think it really comes down to staff hearing from council what they see is most important on this list so they can build a work plan within the operating constraints they have of all the other work they have to do and we've already heard the chief say the auditor function is moving ahead and I believe cahoots and DBI will also move ahead so those may be the three primary vehicles that is within staff capacity to drive ahead over the next six months and I think it is an overlapping issue clearly several council members have mentioned making sure police morale and police input is part of all those processes and I think the way it's structured with the chief as your lead provides for that maybe we should hear from more council members mayor can I get just a clarifying comment under the pursue portman not portmans but the cahoots model and then the very last item here is the mental health response model so if is that a allows us to consider a different model but it's still a mental health response model so they're both on here are they was that intentional regardless of whether it's cahoots that we need a mental health response model so is that what I'm seeing here because those are looks like duplication to me in a sense one has been identified clearly the other one is just an open model so is that the intention if we don't do cahoots we need to have this particular element in place or say it's suggested that we have this element in place so councilmember soyer the way I'm looking at this and Greg probably clarified but the bottom ones are those are the things that we've already identified so I think you know I think we're very much in mind and understanding with what the priorities are of the council and those are the reason they're duplicated is one is we realize this is what we need to do and another one is coming from the interviews it really is it's not going to be the cahoots model it's going to be we're using wiper clinic to help us with the consultation and we're going to develop our own mental health response model but I think it's more about we're in line with what we understand what the council's priorities are and that's where we're directing some of our resources to address that and to your question about morale I think you're right all of these do impact morale there are a lot of external factors that are also going to tie into morale that are outside of what we can do operation but those are some of the things we're going to be looking at and all of these do somehow tie into each other in regards to public safety and providing providing service to our community thanks chief vice mayor so I definitely think that building trust between our law enforcement in our community is a big thing I think that that will coincide with morale for our officers in order to do that I think that we need to have the ability for them to train which means we need to have enough officers where we can take officers off of the streets and off of what they're supposed to be doing so that they they can train we need to have the staffing available and also the auditor and the cahoots is definitely I'm all on board for that so I think that needs to be a high priority and we need to continue on the route that we're going hopefully to implement and then looking to expand the program as soon as we get our bearings with the initial implementation and fire and vegetation is also high on the list we all look through it and we know how it works so we need to try to get ahead of it I think my comments are pretty similar I think like we discussed in a couple of these yesterday such as the climate action plan I'm very comfortable with allowing the subcommittee to really hear from the community and prioritize as they bring things forward to council I think that's why you have the cahoots model and the police auditor moving at the time that they are is because that's what they've heard from the public talking with the department they've found to be achievable so I don't need to mess with that I do think the fire vegetation management program and fire resiliency response I think that those are high priorities across the entire organization and I know that public safety plays a huge huge role in that and so I put a plug in for those as well so mayor if I can reflect doc and for the chief as well clearly trust building is the language the council's used a lot through this morning's discussion and under that language comes the cahoots or mental health model that's appropriate for Santa Rosa as well as the auditor function and recognizing that all of that requires a strong police department with high morale and I heard the chief say that they are moving along that path and getting the language clarification from council of how to package and move it ahead is important I also heard majority of the council speak to fire vegetation as well as resiliency and response needing to be in the top priority list as well so that's how I'd encapsulate your feedback for staff to basically continue their course on the building trust in the police department and to make sure that the fire response is elevated to a top priority for the future their reflection council we can see a thumbs great mayor I think we're done thank you chief for joining us thanks chief and I think we're going to jump back in our agenda now right mr city manager we're prepared to do homelessness pick up homelessness correct thank you list but it was also one of the top goals that the council mentioned housing and affordable housing or the ones mentioned by most council members when I made you do a first choice of only three of these being top priorities so I wanted to spend some time on this working with the county is coming up again as a priority for dealing with the homeless needs of the community particularly in the continuum of care model and mental health services which is primarily a county function wanting to rely on evidence based or best practices some council recognition that several communities around the bay area are providing safe parking solutions and then some interest in continuing what was done for homeless services during covid beyond covid is that a new model of services delivery and the commitment of resources for services delivery that has been part of the pandemic response but not a typical city response I'll look to the manager for any additional comments you might have on this before we go to council comment I don't have anything additional to add at this time so top priorities for council in this area as we look for the next six months and the next 18 months work plans seeing a couple hands pop up councilmember Fleming I think your hands been up the whole time but that means I'm going to call on you first oh that was an mistake please move on to the next person alright we'll start with councilmember tidbits ok thanks mayor you know I really like the direction the city has been going for some time one thing I really like about Santa Rosa is that we did determine the housing first is the the gold standard is what we need to aspire to what I'm struggling with though about after two years with moving in that direction is that and I would ask anybody on the council to please correct me but I can't think of any permanent supportive housing units that we have built or we have propped up I know we supported the Benton veterans village and we have a study that seems pretty ongoing about supporting the Benton Valley senior center but I guess what I'm driving at is I'm learning firsthand that creating homeless dedicated housing and the form of permanent supportive housing is very very costly and it's costly to the tune that I don't think the city is ever going to have money to do it so the ways that we support it are through supporting organizations like catholic charities with Caritas Village Community Housing Sonoma County with Benton Veterans Village and we do it through policy mechanisms more than we do financially although I know we do provide some subsidy and we have in both of these instances using our CDBGDR and some NOFA money in the case of Benton and we got to continue to do that but when it comes with using our general fund dollars which is what I kind of see here in front of us how should we spend general fund dollars the Finlay Center absolutely proved the necessity of having these kind of quick solutions for getting people into services what I see in this community has an ever increasing tide of negativity and just that with towards people experiencing homelessness from the general population and towards City Hall with our response to it and I know and I recognize that a lot of this is outside of our control whether it's a public health officer we can't control or a Ninth Circuit judge that we can't control and we're really at the whim of a lot of higher jurisdictions but I really see these kind of safe parking the Finlay tents and hopefully the strong structure that's now come up is being really necessary and maintaining a balance between at the end of the day it's the person experiencing homelessness who's going to lose if the public really turns against them because maybe they or some facet of that population is creating difficulties in the lives of residents who own a business or enjoy a park so I really hope that we can focus on these things like safe solutions Finlay temporary shelter as far as working with the county again I'm not so sure how that's worked in the past why we think that's going to work any differently going forward but I definitely support continuing to work with them and other city partners on the continuum of care House Member Svethel Thank you Mr. Mayor for me that first one work with County of Durres San Rosa homeless needs as I've mentioned in the past I think we really need to take a regional approach so it's not just the county but it is also the county the county does have to be a role player in here with the recent allocation that went directly to the county what has been missing for me is we're not collaborating or they're not collaborating with us about how are they spending those funds so we can leverage each of these investments whether it be from the city of Santa Rosa and the county because there is a funding stream also the county is an entitled jurisdiction representing all of snow in the county except for Santa Rosa and Petaluma again I don't think we have maximized the potential to leverage those dollars in the evidence based and best practice direction that I believe the city of Santa Rosa is going on the other thing with the safe parking solutions again it's got to be a regional approach to it and I think that is tied into Finley temporary shelter because I've heard staff refer to it and I think if we need to look at Finley 2.0 what are some things that we learned from the experience because we did find many more people did accept the services that were offered at Finley versus at Sam Jones Hall so what portions of that can we take but again it's got to be a regional solution just not the city of Santa Rosa but we have to continue to have these conversations with the county and other municipalities alright thank you councilmember Alvarez and pretty much echoing what my fellow council members have stated about regional approach not only the county but our surrounding cities as well into the process I do like the idea of the best practices evidence that we're relying on including the safe parking and it was correctly stated that people were more open to the feeling that they are to the Sam Jones Hall I'd also like to include the fire situations that we seem to be facing every year we actually need to create an area that can be used for those individuals being affected by our natural disasters and if we can actually use one site for both uses that would be the prolonged need for that space so definitely open up the conversation about how we can actually not only use these sites for our homeless issues but also issues that may affect us with natural disasters thank you alright councilmember Sawyer I do want to address the safe parking solutions there is probably right now few things more visible than the pop up encampments if you will vehicle encampments that are happening all over the city but my concern of course is which it always is with this kind of program is cost I think we need to have a conversation about it a further conversation about it how we might be able to mitigate at least some of the safe parking programs I really I don't think anything is going to work unless it's 24 hours I know it's more costly but I really think that it is one of the most visible and one of the most frustrating pieces of our unhoused program and how the community sees them and responds to them are these vehicles that pop up all over the city at different times and I really I want to be able to tackle it as much as our budgets will allow but I think we need to continue the conversation about that program okay vice mayor so definitely think it's a regional approach and that we need to work with the county since it looks like the county is getting the money and our budget can't support everything that we would like to do and also I don't want to continue on the trajectory that we're on as far as supportive services because I think that there's so much more that we that we should be doing not saying the city of Santa Rosa exactly but on a regional level there's so much more that we should be doing so that is why I really want to see how we can collaborate with other entities organizations just to see how we can make a lasting impactful difference by getting people services, getting them connected and getting them housed because providing housing is only part of the solution so that would be my take okay and I think I'm going to agree with a couple of my colleagues here that for me working with the county to address homeless needs needs to be the highest priority as was mentioned we don't have the resources to solve the problem ourselves and doing this as a truly collaborative truly regional effort I think is the highest the highest priority for me outside of that everything that is evidence based everything that we have seen with our housing first model and that means being flexible about how we get there what we learned at Finley is that it can work to get people into permanent supportive housing so let's utilize that to the best that we can with the ultimate focus on getting folks off the streets I'm going here muted I guess I just unmuted thank you the overwhelming feedback from the council was to pursue efforts here regionally which means working with the county including sources as well as other jurisdictions and it's for almost all of the homeless solutions from continuum of care evidence based practices even safe parking but in terms of the last two some council interest of offering the city offering what can be afforded on an ongoing basis beyond COVID given the resource constraints the city faces manager is that clear enough direction I do see councilmember tibets put his hand back up do you have more to add Jack I did the fear of throwing a wrench in the gears or talking out of turn I think instead of making our priority continue to work with the county I think the council needs to have a meaningful discussion about what does that look like because right now I get the impression from our city and other cities that I've spoken with on the COC they're working with the county basically just means send them their money and do what the county says to do and I don't think that's a viable path for a city as large as Santa Rosa especially so I guess I'm changing my one opinion maybe council members would agree but I think a meaningful conversation around what does, let's define what collaboration truly looks like resources pooling of resources things like that and if we're not getting achieving that then we need to figure out how to work with the state and others to carve out what the city as large as Santa Rosa needs to follow up on the councilmember statement I think you're going to there are some critical conversations and there may need to be additional political pressure applied to ensure there will be plenty of conversations with the council exactly on those issues I would like to assume that we won't need to go there but that is definitely one of the things that may have to be addressed Mayor can I ask you a question sure so just for clarification it wasn't that I don't want to provide services that we're providing I just think we need to we can't keep on on this trajectory like we need to provide more services and we need to figure out how to do that I hope I stated it correctly it's not that I want to get rid of the services I just think we need to do more I understand I understand vice mayor thank you so Mr. Mayor I think we're prepared to move on to the next one with some further council direction on the county relationship and building a regional solution and what's the city's role in providing those services okay okay moving now to can we have Claire Hartman please housing and affordable housing the other top ranked issue that many council members noted was linked to homelessness as well a lot of items on this list with a staff portfolio that's very consumed with many council priorities so we will go to Claire after I briefly summarized the council's interview results to look for what's kind of already in the works and where are the staffing challenges and clarification needed from council strong sentiment from council that we just need more housing at all levels and the way to get that is to work with responsible developers for more housing that are willing to provide it at all levels many council members mentioned the opportunity for the county and city to jointly matching grant an agency to help build affordable housing continue what you've already been doing coming out of this specific plan for downtown and housing to maximize resources available for affordable housing and to streamline the approval process to be nimble and quick when there is an affordable housing opportunity many of these are reflected to some extent in the work plan items staff had previously identified that are listed on the bottom of the sheet with the policy direction really coming out of the housing element of the general plan update but then the implementation items listed above so with that I'll turn it to Claire for any comments on where council feedback would be most helpful but it's really the stage for the discussion since this has been a priority for some time we were looking at a housing needs goal of about 5,000 units per arena which is the regional housing allocation that the City of Santa Rosa receives in a time period in our time period for this housing cycle is 2015 to 2023 so that goal was 5,000 units just to put this in a state of benchmark conversation we built about 2,000 to date we have a couple of years left in the cycle but we're still really deficient in our housing needs we are looking at a new housing cycle and in fact the state will be looking at reducing that just a little bit but it will be something less a little bit less than 5,000 units for Santa Rosa so there's still a lot of work to do what you see in the work plan because housing has been a continued priority for the last several years a lot of these we balance short term activities so a lot of what's in our work plan are the longer term an example of a short term incentive is prioritizing downtown housing and affordable housing that sort of clear direction to our development review team across the organization allows us to quickly prioritize those projects and streamline them in complement with the other streamlining policies that you've adopted over the last few years and then again we are a piece of a big puzzle to implement housing we depend a lot on the market and so what we're looking for is direction on what we can do to be a partner with that market and developers and so there's a lot of ideas here and we would just like direction on what is the most important where you want us to focus our work a lot of these longer term commitments that you see on the work plan list the we afford those exercises like specific plans or like the missing middle ordinance through grants and we are looking really good we have about two and a half million dollars in grants to move forward housing initiatives like that in specific plans we have and those are committed but what comes with that is a staff involvement across the organization to move those forward so there is general fund cost to move these forward so that's where the prioritization gives us the direction of whether those are things you want us to continue to pursue or if you want us to switch gears thank you back to the council for feedback on what's most important on this list and we'll take your comments to come back with the work plan that's viable and I'll start with councilmember Tibbetts thank you mayor first and foremost I think the most impactful thing we can do that requires the least amount of staff time and it's going to have the greatest impact on housing particularly housing in our downtown de hacer la donación o la contribución, yo debería decir, a la funda de Loan Red. La razón por la que le doy esto, no sé cuántos de ustedes han hablado con Michelle Whitman, el director exáctico de la funda de Loan Red, pero ella está subiendo a muchas grandes fundaciones. Creo que fue la fundación de Ford, y algunos otros en la Valle de Silicón, preguntando para ellos también hacer contribuciones en la funda de Loan Red para continuar creciendo esta funda de Loan Red. Y ella está haciendo una de las respuestas que ella está obteniendo, es que nos vuelve cuando vemos que la ciudad que es probablemente beneficiará más, ha hecho una contribución. Así que, realmente, espero que este consejo, y en sus comentarios, pueda apoyar hacer eso, y llevarlo a la mesa. Así que, Michelle, puede salir de ahí y dar más dinero para nuestra ciudad. Las otras cuestiones que estoy realmente apoyado de, me gusta que lo ponemos aquí, trabajar con los desarrolladores responsables de más hogar. Yo sé que en nuestro proceso de NOFA, hay mucha preocupación entre algunos de los aplicantes de que hay algunos aplicantes legítimos y algunos aplicantes legítimos, o al menos, los aplicantes que estamos echando, que no even tienen control de la propiedad, sino que quizás sea un acuerdo de opción. Y creo que tenemos que ver un poco más, más opciones para fundar una casa adecuada, cuando tenemos otros que actualizan un espacio físico. Obviamente, soy su suportivo de continuar con los esfuerzos, incluyendo la casa en downtown. Me creo que he dicho eso en mis noticias de aburrido. Recursos para la casa adecuada. Una vez más, creo que hay muchas cosas que intervienen aquí con la contribución del fundo de red, pero definitivamente maximizando los recursos para la casa adecuada. El proceso de streaming, sí. Algunas de las cosas que creo que sea lo más importante para Santa Rosa específica, estarán haciendo el plan específico en downtown, el plan general, el update.  Y eso es todo, gracias. ¿Councilor Alvarez? Gracias, señor. Estoy buscando la política más de la estrategia que se ha aidsado, y si usted es realmente para aumentar la base de los fondos más fuertes, y también trabajar con los desarrolladores responsables, creo que tenemos una estrategia perfecta como nosotros nos mostraríamos a los desarrolladores que queríamos invitar a proyectos, y realmente el estudio en el proceso de proveer es lo que realmente podemos llamar BAKE. Así que definitivamente lo veo como un plan de trabajo. Me gusta la idea de, como mencioné, hace un par de días, y, por lo tanto, el suministro de agua en demanda de la proyección por 25 años, el factor de sustentabilidad en aumentar la casa y más residentes, debería definitivamente ir a mano y a mano con nuestro crecimiento aquí en el centro de la ciudad. Gracias. Councilor Sveta. Gracias, señor presidente. En general, mis propiedades son que necesitamos estar en el curso, y sé que cuando he hablado con algunos de los desarrolladores responsables, en el pasado par de años, la ciudad de Santa Rosa, los staff y los electos están todos en la misma página, y así con los dos nuevos council miembros, eso ha realmente resonado con los desarrolladores, porque, de nuevo, si es el tiempo de incertidumbre con el proceso permítico o el wildcard de algunos colegios en el council que están en una dirección diferente, es enorme para todos nosotros ser en la misma página, así que, para Eddie y Natalie, eso realmente habla de los volumes cuando los desarrolladores sienten que el council está unido en la necesidad de más casa, así que justo quería compartir eso. La otra cosa, también, es la razón por la que estoy muy confortable de que estemos en el curso, proyectos de casa, que sea fortalecer o marcarita, no suceda en la noche, así que creo que tenemos que estés en el curso, y creo que es una de las grandes cosas, y, de nuevo, tenemos límite controlado por algunos de estos, pero necesitamos a alguien para romper el grado. He hablado con desarrolladores donde estos proyectos están listos para ir, pero todavía hay un poco de esa incertidumbre, pero ¿tiene que ensalar? Necesitamos demostrar, nosotros, como comunidad, necesitamos demostrar que tiene que ensalar. Así que, de nuevo, manteniendo adelante con nuestros esfuerzos, una de las cosas, también, con el tiempo de incertidumbre que todos nosotros en el council pueden hacer, hemos tenido algunas de las acciones y comisiones raras, las diferentes procesas de aprobación, y los folks que están populando esos comisiones y comisiones están populados por los colegios del council, y soy un gran creador de que los colegios y comisiones deberían seguir los goles que están establecidos por el City Council, no las cosas independientes. Así que, me preguntaría que todos nosotros mantenieran las conexiones y las relaciones con nuestros apuntes para asegurar que tu apuntes y los colegios y comisiones están intentando cumplir los goles que están establecidas por este cuerpo. No es una persona independiente que se haga en algunas direcciones, porque eso ha sido algunas conversaciones muy difíciles que he tenido con los colegios y comisiones, y es una dirección diferente de lo que se ha hecho de este cuerpo. Así que, si pudimos ser los participantes activos con eso, la otra cosa, y he mencionado esto durante nuestra legislación federal, creo que una gran cosa que sería útil para todo esto es el apoyo de este council de las ciencias universales, porque no tenemos la fundación para construir todo el hogar. Necesitamos los colegios para asistirme con eso, es mi entender que esta administración está trabajando en eso. Así que cualquier apoyo que podemos hacer para eso, eso también ayudará a los colegios y los desarrolladores a realizar, ok, esto va a ayudar a arreglarlo. Y creo que esos son, oh, una otra cosa, respecto al hogar de confortable. Solo quiero dar propiedades a nuestros colegios y comunidades y a los staff, específicamente a Megan y Nicole, con el NOFA que hicimos con 38.4 millones de dólares de la fundación CDBG-DR. El turno de eso, para que se salga a la comunidad, fue fabuloso. Se demostra que es importante para el council, y ellos pueden hacerlo suceder. Así que más esfuerzos como esa, cuando la oportunidad está ahí, y la fundación está ahí, taking advantage of it. Así que gracias a los staff para que nos movemos adelante en esos proyectos de fundación. Gracias. Allá, Victoria. Gracias. Así que quiero. Mucho de lo que voy a decir, que ya se ha dicho, pero I will second what council member Tibbet said about our investment in the renewal enterprise district that has been wildly successful in other jurisdictions. And then I think we need to continue to provide our responsible developers with certainty. We need to make sure that we get to yes, and that we don't allow, you know, things with, you know, issues within our organization to get in the way of us developing. And I want all of our city staff to just hear that we are united as a council in the desire for responsible development, especially in the downtown core that we should finish our downtown specific plan and our general plan should also support that and then. You know, anything that we can continue to do to support these things on a policy level, I do hope that that staff continues to bring to us. And there are really very few things on this list that I don't support, but I want to make sure that we continue to have the headlines that Santa Rosa is open for business when it comes to housing. So thank you to everything that the staff does to those ends and as far as we go as a council, everyone will continue to try to provide unanimous support for you and and our development community and getting the yes and getting those shovels in the ground. All right, Councilmember Sawyer. Thank you, Mayor. A couple of questions before I indicate my priorities. Claire, could you let me know what a missing middle housing ordinance would look like? I think I know what the missing middle is, but how do you create an ordinance out of that? Thank you so. And your volume. Can you can? I don't suppose you can turn up your volume. We still have a volume issue with your with your mic. Is this better? That's a little better. Are we better? Yeah, that's better. Thank you. I can't hear you then. Nope. I'll just turn up my volume. You're fine. You're good. Okay, so I otherwise I can't hear you. My teenager is doing distance learning right next to me. So we all have to share the space. Gotcha. And the bandwidth. Yeah. Okay. I'll speak up then. Okay. So missing middle, essentially missing middle is, um, is taking density out of the equation of housing development. So you're looking at the opportunity to use the same sort of nature of the blocks per neighborhood that you're working with. So if it's a single family neighborhood, it's building in density, so it still generally looks like a single family neighborhood, but you're adding in a bunch of new units, different types of units into a neighborhood. So that missing middle allows for the diversity of housing that we don't get because we have single family and we have apartments. So missing middle is all the creative stuff that can happen if you just take density off the table and you look at it as a design issue and the livability issue. Thank you. That's, that's, that's great because I was, I was, it's not something that requires or something that allows and that's, that was, I think what I was confused about. And secondly, the Fremont and downtown parks, why is, why is Fremont kind of called out there and what, what about Fremont and downtown parks? Referring to is one of our downtown housing incentives is it's a temporary ordinance. We have a few downtown fee incentive ordinances and one of them is about parks and park fees and it's collecting the park fees associated with downtown developments for a certain period of time. I think it's like a five year window and we're maybe a couple of years into it and it's to take those fees and put them back into downtown. So there's sort of a partnership there with these new downtown developers and we've been prioritizing trying to go through the prioritization process and a programming process of how we might spend those dollars. Okay. Thank you. That that helps me a lot. So what I'll just, what I would do is I'd say that provide more housing at all levels of need and that's I fully endorse that and to, and to achieve that I think takes number two, three, four, five and six. So that's, I think that that you could just bracket that whole group because I think we're already and I can accept the red. I really want to move forward with that, with that, that matching contribution with the county. I think that's vital to achieving a lot of our, some of our potential housing challenges. And then we're already implementing the specific plan. We've talked about the missing metal. I think that's, that, you know, it doesn't create too much difficulty in staff time. If we have, if we have roadblocks up against that kind of housing, I think they should be removed. I'm in the scene, no add in specific plan that probably drops a little bit further down, although it continues to be a conversation and that isn't a really important corridor, but I think that if we do the, the issues above that in the interviews, we will start to discuss and involve the Mendocino Avenue corridor more and more and actually identify where, where the gaps are so that making a specific plan a little more clear to us and identify that identifying those gaps and, you know, the water supply and demand projections for 25 years. People always use the water issue as a reason why we should not grow or build more housing. No, we built the people that are complaining. We built their house, but they're concerned about the people that come after them and whether or not we can really of whether we have the water to support the housing that we know we so vitally need. I'm not sure what it would. I think those projections. I thought those projections were in place actually, but it may be time to, to review those and make sure that they're accurate and the downtown infill development agreements. I'm not really sure. I'm not sure what that is. I would assume that yeah, what, what are the infill agreements? Yeah, so the infill agreements that could come in many forms, frankly, it's it's pursuing public private partnerships. It's pursuing development agreements for ground leases of our parking service parking lots. So a variety of forms. So for example, going out soon with RFQRP for a couple of our city parking lots. Okay. Well, I'm all for that as long as it doesn't get in the way of those projects that are already kind of on the drawing board. But I think that that being wherever we can take advantage of creativity and being nimble and bold. I'm all for. So the lot of this lot of this could be packaged together in my mind. So I'll just I'll leave it at that. Jack, you had something to add. I did sorry to my council colleagues. I just wanted to second and show my support for what Tom said about the importance of universal housing vouchers. I think that should be a priority. You know, the other thing I wanted to bring up that I forgot to in my first round of comments was homeownership. I really think this council has done an amazing job talking about affordable housing over the last five years and making positive steps in that direction that have led to meaningful results. But I think we need to remember one simple fact and that is affordable housing is rental housing. Homeownership is financial empowerment. And when we think about what does it mean to be living in a in a community that is becoming increasingly expensive, the ability to own your home in that community has so many benefits from being able to borrow against it to you know, and I don't I don't want to say this that that the tenant is not part of the community. The tenant very much is, but I do think that when you own a home in a neighborhood, you all of a sudden become financially invested in that neighborhood in a new way in many cases. And so I hope that our housing authority. We do have a program set up a down payment assistance program set up. It's just not funded. I really hope that sometime this year we can open this up and take a meaningful take a meaningful look at what would it take to do that? What would it take to help a lot of tenants in this community to become homeowners? Because I think that should be the ultimate goal of the council. Tentant protection is absolutely important, but helping tenants become homeowners is a whole new level of importance. Great vice mayor. So definitely in support of pursuing the math and funds for red. Just being keeping on where we're at with being developer friendly or you know, I think Councilman Schwadhelm had a good point and that is that we work with the people that we assign to our boards and commissions to make sure that they are acting in the, you know, towards our goals and what we what we have set forth. Also the universal housing vouchers. I think that that would be great if we could see how we can get in on that. And then also a home ownership programs. I have been a strong proponent of that if we can get a program up and running. I think we're seeing this great. But like Jack said, I think it is very important for us to educate, help, be of assistance to people that are want to stay the course and want to pursue home ownership. It just opens up so many doors in our community. So thank you. Councilmember Alvarez, something to add. No, sir. Okay. I agree with the especially the home ownership programs and some of the other comments that were made for me. The most important things on the list are the ones that do provide the certainty, certainty of processed certainty of timeline, certainty of cost, to the extent that we can try to help with those those elements. And then I'm going to say something that sounds a little bit contradictory, but it's not, but one of the things that we heard in the downtown specific plan was also the need for us to be able to think outside the box and be creative de la línea y permitiendo a los desarrolladores y a las personas que están en el día a día, tener la flexibilidad que necesitan para poder obtener esos proyectos terminados. Así que a mí, como John ha dicho, puedes prestar todo esto juntos, especialmente los ítimos más altos. Pero para mí, es controlar el tiempo, la incertidumbre y los costos y los elementos o los cambios procesos que tenemos que hacer para poder moverlos adelante. Gracias, mayor y consejero. Y claro, claro, fuerte apoyo de este consejo para continuar moviendo fuertemente con la casa y una casa adecuada, con el objetivo de darles más casa. Y todo lo que más fallece bajo eso. Y unanimidad de apoyo del consejo para eso. Muy fuerte apoyo para procurar el combate con la la entidad de la empresa renewal. Por lo tanto, el fundador es disponible para hacer eso. Y luego, muchos problemas en particular para los staff para procurar algunos nuevos que no están en la lista, que quizás sea más difícil, pero son claramente importantes para algunos miembros del consejo, es el camino a la casa y la concentración en eso, como solución posible, como bien como la adecuación para los vouchers universales federales con otro problema, las comisiones y los otros procesos de preservación históricos para asegurar que están apoyando la dirección del consejo de procurar la casa como apropiada por Santa Rosa a todos los niveles. Así que digo, esa es la caída de la feedback que he escuchado. Clare, escuché lo más adecuado a tu lista, sino que enfocando. Pero given the priority of this for the council, that's not a surprise. I see the manager has come online, Clare or Sean. Any follow up comments to this council direction? Thank you for all your comments and the additives are welcome, so appreciate your feedback. Thank you. Good. Mayor, I think we can move to the last section. Yep, let's go ahead and do organizational DEI. So can we promote human resources director Amy Reeves and she'll be the staff lead on this side. Good morning, mayor and council members. I just can you hear me? Yep, go ahead. Okay, I'm I'm not in my normal workspace, so you can hear me. I just want to confirm. Yeah, we can hear you just fine. Okay, great. Thank you, Amy. Well, I get that. Thank you. Yesterday I gave a slide real quick. Sure, sorry. Sure. No worries. Let's just make sure we're starting on the team. Great page staff brought this up last August as a priority based on the community discourse that had occurred over the prior six months. And it's the issue that is facing many cities and most organizations now. So clearly from the interviews, there is council interest on focusing on and elevating this effort and giving it the time to unfold and progress. Amy presented a comprehensive DEI work plan yesterday and it was the leading priority for our department moving beyond. I did want to recognize there is also some interest from council as mentioned under public safety to recognize that the work seed and your staff will be doing on DEI also links directly to police trust building with the community and strengthening themselves and their organization as we move forward. So those were very strong feedbacks from the council. Now Amy after referencing that I just will turn it over to you for any additional comments and feedback you'd like from council. Thank you. Sorry to jump in there. I just wanted to reiterate that yesterday we gave some pretty extensive overviews of the work that we're going to be embarking on with seed. But I'm happy to hear council comments and answer any questions about next steps. Great. We'll start with councilmember Fleming. I am transporting a six year old today care at the moment. So I have to get back to you. Welcome back to you councilmember Tibbets. I think that all of these are are pretty important. It's hard to kind of say, you know, what's more important than the other. I think equity plans would be a question I would have for staff. Does this mean increasing diversity within within our work? Oh no, we're recruit recruitment diversity plan. What is equity plans? Forgive me. Sorry, I took a second to unmute. There are three equity plans that are going to be deliverables which seed collaborative will provide to the city at the end of this effort. The first is a city wide equity plan. The second is the equity plan aimed at increasing diversity and recruitment for the fire department. And the third is the equity plan for the police department in terms of providing a community policing equity plan. Okay. Again, I think all these are important. It's hard for me to pinpoint but definitely the equity plans working with seed collaborative is going to be really interesting and I look forward to getting that. Want to make that up for six months priority. Building recruitment and diversity I think is so important within our workforce, especially looking locally. We had a young guy who worked at the Los Galicos Village who is applying to go into police academy. And I think he got in, but you know, he's perfect. He's Latino. He's worked with the homeless for so long and the best attitude you could imagine. I can't wait to see him as a police officer with us. So I just think they bring such awesome perspectives and our city would benefit from that. Great. Councilmember Alvarez. Yes, thank you. And I appreciate that we're having this discussion about organizational diversity, equity and inclusion. And I love to see that the police little writer patrol car is on this list. I have the pleasure of sitting in during the initial talks of producing this vehicle. But when we speak about when the trade hits the road, I would love to see a community center, a library, where we can create a true empowerment of our community, a true building of our assets. And I love to hear that we have a future police officer who's from the community who will one day police our community. And I would love to see a community center where our community can participate, witness a police training course. So they have a better understanding of what goes into the creation of a great police officer. So I'm definitely biased for the library in this case. But it's one of the things that I believe it's the seed. It's a seed that produces a community who can involve themselves into the process and who gains a better understanding of what the process even looks like. So thank you. Great. Councilmember Sawyer. Thank you, Mayor. Just one question. How could you repeat for me any of the equity plans on line one and then how that how that is different from the equitable policy plan? I guess the other. I guess the equity plans are specific to two departments. What's the equitable policy plan? Is that more? Is that a broader plan? Right. So there's actually the two departments that we're going to be providing equity plans for, one being the fire department, one being the police department, and then there will be a citywide equity plan, which is more of an overarching plan for the city and would include the review and recommendations of policy changes within specific departments throughout the city. So that would be looking at how we're engaging with the community through our partnerships and our policies and making changes that would be more inclusive. Thank you very much. Well, it's it's hard not to it would be hard for me to prioritize these. I mean, I think that that equity is so important and has a great deal to deal with our success in the future. And so I'm not sure if you're if you're I have I don't have the expertise to be able to prioritize. I'll be very curious to see the plan for the recruitment. Especially for for police and fire because of the nature of those jobs. It's regardless. It seems that regardless of all the efforts that we've tried in the past, our ability to recruit and ultimately higher individuals for police and fire positions has been a real challenge and there's some of it is obvious and some may be less obvious. I look very much. Look forward to hearing looking at the fresh new ideas that come out of these plans and in how to encourage people to choose these professions.  I'm I don't have the expertise to do that. Okay. Councilmember Schwedhelm. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. First I have a question is probably for Amy. Where does the EEO and diversity officer fit within this? Organization diversity equity inclusion work plan? That's a great question. Actually, the EEO and diversity officer is in progress in terms of our recruitment and we are doing final interviews this upcoming week. And so our goal is to have that individual once hired sit on the steering committee and help to lead a lot of the initiatives in partnership with C collaborative. And so my understanding of that position would be a direct report to the HR director. That's correct. Yes. Okay. So the reason I use that as a foundational question for me, this is I think a big priority for us and having experienced some of the different training the concern or the challenge I think we as an organization will have. How do we give the employees the 1200 employees that we have the time to actually process this information in the end. I know doctor Washington who provided the training for the violence prevention partnership is not with the seed collaborative and I will be asking this question of them but this might be a city manager question with this is one goal but for me it needs to be embedded throughout the organization which takes time, energy and effort which means they're not our staff won't be focusing on other things because I think this is a foundational thing. So mister city manager could you share with me how you see this is going to fit in amongst the other priorities and how will council be kept aware of our efforts on this. So so this the group is going to come in and do a study session soon. I don't know the exact date and we may may have that scheduled already to talk a little bit more in depth about this but the the overall it could they have to do their their work which is a permanent primarily an environmental scan as was laid out yesterday the way I would reference the council look back to that that work plan but we do what they they have to do their due diligence period and then they're going to come back with a more specific plan and we will at that point have to have a conversation about staff resources needed to execute that and it may be one of the more that may have be a more challenging conversation than we're having today about ensuring to your point council member that we have enough time dedicated to work on our culture to make the significant changes that probably we need to make so I would just say there's more to come on that but the work has started and it will be if there will be feedback loops established for the council and exactly this will be one of the chief questions setting aside the staff time to do a comprehensive implementation and and and of the work that's necessary so that is to come right so I can't we can't answer that at this point we need to as as as seed likes to say they like to meet us where we are you know one of the things I will say is what was one of the first questions they asked me was to list the traumas the organizations coming has gone through and we went all the way back to 2008 so there they are trying to meet us where we're at and that will impact the work plan more to come on that on that topic council member thank you for that so for me the number one priority is the first one there because what I'm not interested in is having the city of San Rosa be able to say oh we've got an equity plan we have an EEO and diversity officer check the box if we're truly committed to making organizational cultural change it takes time and it has to be elevated so I would just ask that this is a number one priority for us but that council is involved and kept to update as to what are the strategies that we are trying to implement so that is the true cultural change not just with the organization the 1200 employees but also a city council because I think we have to be engaged in this so we're experiencing those some same changes that have been institutional throughout our operations for much much earlier than 2008 but we need to be part of that process and I don't want anyone in the city to be feeling that we the seven of us on council are doing this to them we need to be doing it with them to be the model for the rest of our community absolutely alright vice mayor I was sitting here agreeing with Tom but I I really think in that writing policies that pretty much is the easy part but we need to make sure that we have staff resources in time and we put our money where our mouth is and that is to implement the policies that we have see coming in to help us to tell us where we need to to improve just looking I for one am not sure about the staff resources for the police lowrider patrol car and although I think that it's pretty cool I'm not sure that that is a priority for me and staff and staff resources I think that we could put our resources in other places not saying I don't want it to go forward but if we can continue as we spoke about previously or as was presented to us previously with allowing community members to contribute and upon a spearhead that that project that would be that would be great so other than that okay I completely agree that the top priority needs to be giving this the time to unfold after we do an elevated effort and and really let this perforate throughout our organization and I do also think the next priority is the community empowerment plan and that's because a lot of the different touch points that we've had involve the community empowerment plan moving forward and I know that folks out there who have been participating in our meetings are really looking forward to more opportunities to help drive the ship on this one as was mentioned diversity and inclusion has to be a very broad community effort so to me those are the top two priorities on the list and I see council member Fleming you put your hand up yes thank you and thank you for your patience and coming back to me I I largely agree with everything that's been said especially by council member Schwadhelm your self mayor vice mayor Rogers I really agree with her about the low rider car I don't have any issue with it but it's to me it's seems like you know a detail rather than a cornerstone here but one of the few things that I didn't hear mentioned was that that I'm hoping to see come forward in our DEI plan is compensation equity and we talk a lot about diversity and inclusion but when when it comes down to it when I did my you know brief research only one there's only one woman in the top 50 highest paid employees en la ciudad Santa Rosa so we need to not just attract media month home we need to not just attract employees but we need to retain and compensate them equitably so that I'd like to see in five 10 or 15 years that you know we're not disproportionately compensating you know one group over another and that we have you know that the city is an equitable place to work for people regardless of their demographic markers thank you thank you mayor and council if I can reflect back and it's actually appropriate we did the schedule adjustment to end with organizational DEI as the last priority area because it's the most recent one the council was added to your list that was added as one of your top priorities last August and just from your comments through the interviews and through today I think you've given your staff clear assurance and direction that it is a top priority for all of you and recognizing that it is going to take substantial staff time throughout the organization over the next 18 months to really work it into the core of the organization and just your recognition of that impact on staff I think is is a key testament I also heard many council members talk to elevating the effort to involve the council and to make sure the council is doing it with this organization not to the organization and that was a clear statement as well and manager I think you've received the green light that you were looking for on moving strongly ahead with this I'll go back to you or Amy for any follow up comments or clarifications you need I do not have any out I would just like to thank the council for your comments and feedback and I would encourage you all to address some of your feedback as you embark on the one on one interviews with C collaborative in the coming weeks and I will reiterate to the consultant that we do want to get something on agenda so that we can come back periodically and update the council and the community about our progress so thank you there we have one last slide before break and if we could advance I think it will be a quick slide and it's really just teeing up issues for the future my last interview question with each council member that was targeted was what are the issues looming that staff should be prepared to address most likely at next year's strategic priority session given what you heard yesterday from your staff and what you've directed today through the nine priority areas is a lot of work that's going to be plenty until your next retreat a year from now but I did want to highlight many many council members brought up infrastructure planning and funding it has been a past priority for the council and COVID and the other work that's underway as may have dropped it out of the list but it hasn't dropped it out of your minds is something that has to be focused on so I think just clear recognition that you're teeing this up as something that will have to be tended to at next year's priority setting retreat give staff the time and direction to prepare for that other issues that came up were community engagement and outreach city workloads and systems and wildfire protection on the community engagement outreach I might just mention that the community community empowerment plan coming out of organizational diversity may fulfill that need and so that one may be already addressed through your existing organizational priority structure city workloads and systems I know as an issue your manager and CFO are focusing on already under the fiscal stability priority that you have as well as the workload management of doing this exercise on an annual basis and wildfire protection from council comments remains a top priority and is really a funding issue at this point as we move ahead so I'm not sure we need any further direction unless council disagrees with the way that I framed those issues that you've shared is really seeing them up as the next items for discussion in a year All right I see council member Tibbets raise his hand Thanks mayor Greg so looking at council the emerging priorities is this the time to talk about emerging priorities what's gonna come next for the rest of the day I apologize for not knowing the agenda part Excuse me after this slide we go into a quick break and then we're going to come back and talk about PG&E settlement and direction on those resource allocations and then we're going to have a brief discussion on the community advisory board composition and then we're done for the day Okay, thank you All right Vice mayor Not sure when the appropriate time is to say this but I I feel very honored to work with such wonderful staff I think we have great staff I think that you guys follow the direction that has been given to the council in previous years to the T I think you keep us in the loop So I just I just wanted to say I feel very honored to work with not only the council members that I'm working with but also all the staff and bringing me and Eddie up to speed and just you know just being available in there So I I did want to say thank you I think that's a perfect note for us to take a break on we'll go ahead in recess until 1025 and we'll come on back Just doing a quick sound check Vice mayor manager Can you hear me? You are clear Greg Thank you Gina Here's all right All right Stephanie Are we ready to reconvene? Yes I am All right Let's go ahead and call the roll Okay Councilmember tippets Councilmember Shwedhelm Here Councilmember Sawyer Here Councilmember Fleming Here Councilmember Alvarez President Vice Mayor Rogers President Mayor Rogers Here Councilmember tippets Have you joined us? Okay Let the record show that all council members are present with the exception of councilmember tippets And Stephanie I do think that councilmember tippets just joined by phone Okay So we will promote him As councilmember tippets is participating by telephone I don't have the ability to promote him to the panelist side but his mic or he can unmute himself from the attendee side Perfect So I will mark him as present Great Mayor I was just saying let the record show that all councilmembers are present Alright Greg Great If we can go back to the PowerPoint we only have a couple more slides for the whole day but we do have further discussion The two specific items that the council requested be discussed at this retreat separate from the priorities were the PG&E settlement funding as well as the community advisory board composition the first issue will be addressing is the PG&E settlement funding so far what the city council has discussed is that giant proportion of the funding be left for neighborhood and ongoing needs but that using the one-time resources to stabilize the city organization in terms of your financial structure reserves and operations was essential as well given the challenges created by the priorifiers as well as the pandemic so this is a reflection of a council discussion and direction to date with further determinations to be needed during this upcoming budget development process and I believe other than the reserves discussion that occurred a week ago this is the first time this full seven member council will have been together discussing the PG&E settlement and direction on its utilization Mr. Manager any additional comments before we see the council's discussion on where they'd like to go I'll turn it over to the mayor at this point Yeah, Greg I think I really want to set the stage for for council and part of why I ask that we have this conversation in goal setting is that we've been slowly and systematically working our way towards resolution on how to best utilize the PG&E settlement funds we've heard a number of different presentations about the needs within our community and quite frankly there are three items in particular that can't wait until the budget for us to make a determination one of them that Greg mentioned is the stability for the organization's reserves that 40 million dollars as staff starts to put together budgets they need to know whether they can rely on that as a backstop or not and there are other conversations that are out there regarding cares act funding or other changes that could potentially happen in the event that those do come to pass we would then have additional conversations about how to how to utilize that 40 million set aside but staff does need to know as they start to put together their budgets what level of certainty or what level of predictability that they have so we need to discuss that today we also need to discuss the investment in the Rural Enterprise District we are hearing the stories that were mentioned ahead of time about questions on whether or not the city is going to make that same commitment that the county made months ago so we're going to discuss that and we also did our brief discussion study session a couple of weeks ago about fire and specifically vegetation management our staff needs to know if they can proceed on vegetation management because now is the time to do that work and if we wait until June that's probably too late to accomplish what they need to accomplish prior to fire season there are other elements in this bucket that we've talked about the Rosalind Library Southeast Greenway other types of asks as well that were open to discussing but I did want to make sure that we teed up specifically those three touch points and then can go a little bit further from that as well and because I want this to be a free flowing conversation with council I'm going to ask for assistant city manager not to come forward because if the greenway does become part of the conversation in this environment I have to step aside so I'm going to ask Mr. Not to be promoted and I'm going to step off so the council can have a full conversation if that item gets included okay thank you great and I see council member Sawyer has his hand up so John you can kick off the conversation once you unmute I am going I need to also recuse myself from the Southeast Greenway conversation so if that that's if they can be separated and you guys can deal with that now then I'll just I will excuse myself or you'll you'll see this John I'll ask folks in their comments if you are interested in having that conversation today to indicate that and if a quorum of the council is interested in having that conversation today as opposed to in the budget then we can set it aside and do it last and you can go dark for a couple of minutes there okay but since you put your hand up I'm still going to make you go first well I'm going to need I am I am in favor of the 40 million for reserves replenishment I am in favor of the the 10 10 million for the red I'm not sure how much of the vegetation management I want to dedicate the these monies to there was there was there were quite a few needs in that area and I don't have that slide so I need more detail on which part of the vegetation management we would be talking about so there's a I will ask either jason nut or or the interim fire chief Scott Westrup to address that I think there's a specific item with a with a dollar associated with that jason would you can you do it or do you want Scott to step in here yeah I Scott will have all the details about the because there are two specific programs associated with that it does come with about five million dollar price tag in order to get that particular program underway and I see Scott has populated in and it might be good for him to give you that that briefing at this point thank you good morning everyone councilmember sorry to answer your questions specifically so the study session that we brought to you last week was the wildfire resiliency prioritize list of projects that were available within that 36 million dollar ask was the 5.25 million dollars for the vegetation management program so but when we when we talk about vegetation management it's one part of the overarching ask of the wildfire resiliency projects and and to make it a little more clear I could answer the question better that the mayor had last week the the community wildfire protection plan that was adopted by council in September of 2020 is the plan so the vegetation management program is enacting actions on the nine objectives and 46 items of the vegetation management program so it is for lack of better term shovel ready the vegetation management program can be in fact the fire prevention bureau is already doing a lot of work on that including reorganizing their division so they have the supervision and the and free up positions to actually hire a limited term vegetation management specialist they've obviously got the CWP approved by council and the long term financial subcommittee the burn ordinance is coming to you on March 16th and then they apply for other grants that could extend the the length in terms of the vegetation management program so again just to wrap up vegetation management is part of the overall wildland resiliency programs that we we we suggested in a prioritize list to you last week and so I hope that answers your question I'm willing to answer any more that you may have it does no thank you Scott I appreciate that so I would also be in favor of moving forward with that that program and it's one of the you know given where the money is coming from and what and what prompted the PG any settlement was destruction in Santa Rosa and I I think that moving forward with this particular program would be vital I don't want to look back and say why sure wish we had done that ten years ago so I would be in favor of that the the the the Rosland library has gotten a lot of conversation and the although I don't remember having that conversation during the annexation process it has it has there it's clear that Rosland needs a library what the expectation is as far as these funds in how those funds would be used as far as the the building of the library or the staffing of the library of the ongoing expenses of the library is not clear to me um so the the the need is clear how these stones would be used is clear uh I don't know that that I'm I'm sure someone has an analysis of how those funds would be used but as I would also have a question about ongoing obligations the city may have so I would need some clarification on on the library proposal I'm not sure whether if we can satisfy that today cancel remember week the the latest correspondence that we have is is is simply a request to set aside 10 million dollars um that's the details that we have in the proposal staff is more than happy during the upcoming uh budget process to invite the the the director and their organization to step forward and present a more detailed analysis of what they would do where staff is is ready and willing and able to do that the latest the camera cross was simply a request to hold 10 million dollars um as they go through the process but they could come forward and present the presentation that was um that answered some some of these questions and provided more detail so we're so we're happy to do that if that's if you need more information but the the latest letter was the letter that was directed by director Hammond and is in your um it was in the correspondence for goal setting so was that memory serves it was it was an an annual obligation ¿No? Bueno, estamos en el proceso de apoyar el anual, hay dos conversaciones separadas, así que hay un anual alocación que ayuda a ellos con su obligación rental ahora mismo, como entiendo, y luego hay una pregunta más larga sobre un investimiento capital, y la letra dice 10 millones, estamos solicitando $10 millones por 3 años. Así que, no he decidido, por cada de los 3 años 10 millones. No, es una demanda de 10 millones de dólares. Ok, y eso sería una tercera, una tercera y una tercera, o solo escondidos por 3 años. ¿Crees? Sí, así que, si puedo entrar aquí, consejo miembro, la conversación que tenemos en el libro es que están buscando asistencia de ciudadanos y adquiriendo un sitio para que puedan localizar el libro. Así que, la demanda es para los dólares capitales para comprar un sitio o para ayudar en la construcción de una nueva facilidad. Y eso es lo que están buscando, no es a este punto para los fundadores de ongo, pero, como el manager de la ciudad mencionó, cuando llegamos a las conversaciones, pueden tener adicionales de la ciudad. La relación con el libro es una de las que nos proporciona la facilidad, y ellos hacen 100% de las operaciones. Y así que, no anticipo, a base en las conversaciones que hemos tenido, que la demanda a este punto se devia, pero eso es parte de la discusión de que el manager de la ciudad lo diga. Ok, así que, creo que ahora, sin tener esa conversación, me gustaría tener esa conversación en el libro durante nuestras discusiones. Y así que, creo que me gustaría dejar de parar ahí. Me estoy más contento de escuchar la conversación, pero me gustaría saber una buena foto sobre lo que la expectación es, tanto en cuanto al apoyo de los fundadores de ongo, y cómo eso corresponde con lo que hemos hecho con los libros priores también. Porque es una necesidad clara para un librarón en Rosalind. Cómo es pagada es un poco menos clara para mí. Así que, me voy a dejar de parar ahí. Ok, miembros de la ciudad. Gracias, señor presidente. Primero clarificación, para esta discusión, ¿es esto una discusión? O si, digamos que hay 7 miembros de la ciudad que están en agreement con los fundadores de ongo en una manera cierta, ¿puedo votar en eso? Y, en realidad, ahora no es más de 95 millones, es lo que hemos decidido. Una pregunta de proceso. Puedo entrar y el autónomo puede comentar también. Creo que la expectación es que podrías dar la dirección hoy, y luego habrá seguidores implementando acciones que volverán a vosotros, como rápido posible, que sería tu proceso público para tomar esa acción. Y la pregunta real es, dar esa dirección hoy versus ser parte del budget en junio. Y eso es la cuestión de tiempo que es antes de vosotros. Y yo lo haría, y eso es exactamente correcto. Así que, gracias. Muy bien. Y una otra pregunta que también tenía, tal vez, por favor, Mr. Nutt, sé que he preguntado durante otras presentaciones. Hemos hablado sobre la infraestructura, específicamente en Sidewalks, hay un precio de 42 millones de dólares, más o menos, en algunos de los sectores, ¿es un mapa de esos lugares como hemos venido a, creo que 4.1 millones de dólares? No he podido encontrar uno de esos. Sí, hay mapas. Pensé que si no hubiéramos posto a ellos, estaríamos con el staff para asegurar que ellos estén postados en un website publico. Pero tenemos específicamente identificaciones en las que los staff determinan el daño asociado con Sidewalks, no solo de un punto directo, sino de un punto de misión de desgracia. También tenemos identificaciones para el daño de la calle y los problemas de pavamento. Así que podemos definirlo y llevarlo a la población si no lo ha hecho. Gracias por eso. Me aprecio, Mr. Mayor, que te traes este tema. He escuchado una información en la que estoy listo para apoyar la estabilización, la organización de la ciudad. Hay dos áreas de fuego en las que estoy preparado para apoyar el programa 501 que es el primer triple 505.000.000 250k.000 y esalamia o twitt 75 milh waiting z' mar al que azoku noget amada de han preferido que estoy preparado para apoyar a este punto. Great, thank you, Council Member. I'm going to go to Council Member Tibbets on the phone. Can you hear me, Chris? There you go. Awesome. Okay, first and foremost, definitely stabilize the organization by replenishing our reserves. I think that's probably the most important thing here. Second, Renewal Enterprise District, I support the $10 million match fund. Third, Wildfire Strategic Plan, I support that. I think that's going to be important to get a comprehensive look at the city and its vulnerabilities. And particularly I'm concerned about a third point of egress in Oakmont that is somewhere other than on the Highway 12. And I'm hoping that plan can address that question. The fourth thing that keeps coming up is Rosalind Library. I think that that's going to be just, you know, one of the most important things we can do for the community of Rosalind, and it's been long overlooked. And I'm hearing agreement on that point amongst the council, but my only fear about not setting aside funds today is that we are going to potentially miss an opportunity to have funding for it in the future. And so what I'd like to propose today, since we don't know what it would cost to buy a building or buy and renovate a building or build one, that we just set aside $10 million and that we year mark that for up to two years. When we say to the library, look, we'll hold $10 million in our reserves or wherever for you to use, but you got to get this done within 10 years and you got to have site control within two years. If you don't have site control, that money and obligation is released back to the city. But I think what that does is it puts everybody's feet to the fire that we're going to do this and bring about what I see as a very important social equity issue for Rosalind. That's it. Okay, Council Member Alvarez. Thank you, Mayor. I definitely support the $40 million to the replenishment as well as the additional five for the emergency vegetation, as well as the 10 million for the renewal enterprise decision. And definitely to echo what Council Member Tibbets just noted and to reference that the study says the workshops that have been done in the community show that 66% of the community voted for a library and yet when we went to budgeting, it was put in one of the last places. So I definitely would advocate as well for those funds of the 10 million to be set aside. But I do agree with the two-year time period to put those feet to the fire. I definitely echo every one of those words that Council Member Tibbets just stated. As well as a study session if we could in regards to the other funds that the county has yet to provide. I know that one of the agreements that we had in the pre-enac session, and you'll hear me mention this quite a few times, is the commitment that the county put forth in that agreement. And I would love to see that we do touch base with the county to make sure that all of those funds have been provided. I know that there was a yearly accounting or invoice that was supposed to be given to the county in order to assure that the funds that we deserve in that agreement are being put forth. And I know that there was this agreement from prior council members. And I would like to see us really put those feet to the fire as well. Thank you. Okay, Council Member Fleming. Yeah, the four initiatives that have been laid out in most detail by Council Member Schwedhelm are where I'm at as well. I liked the idea of conditioning the money for the Rosen Library, but I have concerns that it will make it more difficult, not less difficult to get it done if we, and you know, what comes up for me is that parcel of land up in Fountain Grove that was given to the school district that we had some control over and things never got built. And it just sort of is revolving door of coming back to us. So I'm in favor of allocating the money and perhaps putting some conditions or rather supports I'd rather call them to make sure that it gets done. But I'd hate further to be a legitimate problem as we see in this community time after time there are legitimate crises and traumas as the city manager says that come up that prevent things from happening.  And then overburden staff resources as well as the community of Roseland that so rightfully deserves this library to be built. So that and I'm particularly excited about the Rural Enterprise District Funding. I know that there are some skeptics out there but I am confident that this will increase our housing as well as our tax bases and be a legacy that this council can be proud of. Thank you. Okay, vice mayor. So definitely support us stabilizing the organization. I feel like it's very important. Red, I'm all ready for that. And Roseland Library that everyone likes to call it, the whole community, but I would like to point out here in District 7 we don't have a library. So this will also be the closest library to those, to many residents that are in District 7. So definitely in support of that I wish that we could support it with more outlined on paper instead of just a number that I feel is thrown out but this is the time we have the money. So if we need to airmark money now I think now would be the time to do it. And then vegetation management, anything we can do to protect our residents to not have to go through some of the things that they've gone through in the prior years I think that we should be on board and doing that as far as the fires are concerned. So those are my priorities. Great. And I have been very clear. I think that the vegetation management, both elements that councilmember Schwethelm mentioned are a priority for me. I'm ready for staff to move forward on it. And I think that we do our community a disservice if we don't approve it today. So it sounds like we will because they have to get that work done. Without waiting another year. So I'm very supportive of that. I am very supportive of the 40 million set aside into our reserves to stabilize our budget particularly given the ongoing uncertainty around COVID as well as what resources might come available. I'll support the 10 million for the renewal enterprise district. And then for me with the Rosalind library to me it represents hope. I know that they don't have a fully flushed out plan. I know that we haven't signed off on specific budget allocations or on what their site control would look like. But to me, setting aside 10 million dollars just to show that we are serious about creating an asset for the community there I think is really important. So I'm in favor of setting aside that 10 million dollars saying to the folks continue to work with us to come up with your plan and kind of to the vice mayor's point if not now then never. There's never going to be another opportunity like this knock on wood for our community. And I don't want us to miss I don't want us to miss that opportunity and I certainly don't want the community to think that we aren't interested. So I'm in favor of the set aside for the three years. So mayor reflecting back to counsel what I talented here is your direction to be consensus direction to staff is unanimous support from the council for moving ahead with the 40 million stabilization of the organization and staff can assume that in budget development. Second is the 10 million for the red matching funds to be allocated to move that ahead. I also saw majority support for both pieces of the fire prevention which is the vegetation management and the wildfire strategic plan. There were six and four comments in support of both of those for five million and two million or three million total. And then on the Rosalind Library there was a majority of council willing to do the set aside but clear council concern that's pending additional information to ensure the city understands full capital and operating cost expectations before any utilization of those funds. So I would like better our intent just for councils for council dialogue is to schedule this study session with the library on their ask. I'm not sure I heard the exact same thing that you did Greg. So I'm asking for a little more clarification. I heard there's a willingness to get into that discussion but I heard deference into the budget process from the majority. So I just I'm trying to under I need a little more clarity there. I just wanna make sure it's clear that staff's intent is we received the letter we're gonna go back. Jason's in dialogue with him. We will set up a study session but I wanna make sure I understand the clear direction on the scope there because it was a little closer than it was pretty close to the direction. So it's a difference between making an offer or saying the council is very interested in this and they wanna have a further conversation. So I'm trying to get a little more clarity on how to proceed there. Mr. City Manager, how about would it give you the direction you need if I went around and asked council members in one word to say if they intend for it to be set aside imm