Check it, check it, check it, it's a unique hustle, it's your boy E-CEO and I'm here with the lovely, amazing official, Mr. Mako, what's going on? None of you know my dad? Man, I got a guy here today, y'all, he don't really, you know how I say that, he really don't need no introduction. That's what I be doing, I think I'm doing it, he really don't need no introduction though. I'm seeing him man, on your TV, somewhere in your neighborhood maybe, doing something for the community. You just never know where you gonna see this cat at man, my long time friend, who I talk about a lot, right? Yes. Taylor Gabriel is in the building, what's going on man? What's up big dog, man? Man, we appreciate you for coming on the show man, say man, it's been a long time. It's been a very long time. I think I've seen you since I was… You was playing for Horn. I was in Horn. Yeah, no, you came back one time remember? Yeah, you came back one time. Did you see his picture? Yeah, I was when you first went in there, you had been in the league maybe…   I saw him in the way, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, you came and seen me, man, he hadn't been here. You the only one. Only the real survived. You know what I'm saying? We like it.  No, I was. I was at Cleveland. You went Cleveland when I first got in there. And the girl, the girl say, some guy, football player, some guy, one of the girls that worked for me, remember that? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I was like, yeah, well who was it? Taylor, I said, girl, you just missed out here. I said, you could have been there. I said, you could have been there. I said, you could have been there. Hell, that boy a millionaire. I said, you done messed up everything. I've been waiting on that boy for years. Oh my God. So how, how, how you been? I've been good, man. I've been good. Just grinding, trying to find kind of my way, my niche in a sense. Yeah. Entrepreneurship coming out the NFL recently returned what three to four months ago. Three to four months ago. Yeah. So just trying to find that balance between being that famous turbo Taylor, Superbowl, you know what I mean?  Waking up every day and working on my entrepreneurship, my truck and business. I'm pretty sure we're going to get into it. Yeah, we're going to get into it. So the stuff that I got on the side, so it's just, it's different. Trying to find a good balance between the two for sure. I really, I, when I think about you and just everything that wrapped up in a bow and hand to my thoughts, I really be like, man, you, I done never seen it coming. I ain't going to lie to you.  I used to tell you that, that nigga ain't nothing. And then I got mad when I found out he was in there. I said, what? I ain't nothing wrong with that. I said, I thought I was like, damn, if I had his mindset, yeah, I'll be somewhere else too.  You know, we know your story, but viewers might not know your story. So we want to go back to when you were a little boy growing up. Did you always want to play football? You know, or your only child single, you know, mom, dad, we need to know everything. Okay. She going back down. Right. Right. In Horn, we're just growing up. I played football. You know what I mean? I was always the little guy. I was never a big guy. I knew I was faster than others. I know I had more ability than other people. You know what I'm saying? So at the end of the day, I didn't think it would translate to the NFL just because like you saying, eat my size. At that time, when I was growing up, I didn't, we didn't have like little guys to look at. You know what I mean? It was always Michael Irvins and Calvin Johnson, these big guys. And I'm not a big guy. So I wasn't thinking about the NFL. So I was thinking about going to school. Become into what? I graduated information systems. Okay. So my daddy was a tech guy, a developer and it's an encryption. Yeah. So a password keys and things like that. Yeah. So I do have, I can do that. But at the end of the day, God had a different story for me. And when high school came, long story short, my mom had passed. So 2006, she had passed. And I kind of, I gave up on football. I gave up on life in general. My life had paused. I wasn't going to school. I wasn't doing too much of anything. You know what I mean? But what brought me back is kind of, I just use her death in the sense to kind of motivate me in the way it happened. Her having that aneurysm. Her telling me that night, her telling me that night that she won't always be around for me. She won't always be around to, to wake me up in the morning, to be that mother figure in my life to tell me, Taylor, you need to do this, this and this. My grades was bad. I'm hanging out. I'm doing stuff that I, you know what I mean? I wasn't supposed to be doing. And for her to pass that morning after her like whooping my butt like she gave me a whooping. Yeah. She gave me a whooping that night. Like she stayed around just to tell you that. Right. Right. She gave me a whooping that night and to wake up that morning and she gave me $2. She was like, man, I'm not always going to be here to. Did you save that $2? I did. I got that. I still got that $2. Yep. I'm not. It was just kind of weird. You know what I mean?  Ian was so crazy, man. Maybe five minutes later she died. Wow. Yeah. I remember me and you going back to that, you know, in here after that, me and you talk briefly about it. Yeah, we did. You know what we did. I talk about God a lot to you too. I don't know if you remember that, but I'd always, because you know that's who I am. Yeah. But at the end of the day, I just thank God that I was a part of your life during that time. And man, you had a dope friend. Y'all had a dope system too. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? And you was always a client. You had the right crew. You had the right crew, man. There's just something positive in my life that was going on at that time. A lot of people don't know about that. A lot of people read about that by me, but a lot of people don't know kind of what I went through that mental struggle of like my faith and where my motivation comes from, where my drive comes from. And so after that, I go the, I'm thinking I'm about to go to TCU. Yeah. You know what I mean? LSU was stuff like that. So another roadblock, my grades aren't good because of that year that I took off. So my SATs, I didn't have anybody that went to college. So I didn't know about SATs and ACTs. So my SATs wasn't good. So now like all my offers are gone. I can't get into college. I can't do what I want to do. So now I take this one drive to West Texas, Abilene Christian. Never heard of it. I knew about it. Never heard of the city. Never heard of what was going on out there. Country. Country. Very country. But I'm glad that I went. I think God put me at a Christian school because that's what I needed. Yeah. It grounded me because I was kind of lost as a man and as a person. But it's a really good school though. It's a very good school. Because the school I used to go to, Southwestern Christian College, all the kids come from that school and go straight to Abilene Christian. Yeah. It's a very good school. We used to go to church every day at 12. That's the same thing. In college. Like they used to make us go to church. That's dope. And I needed that. Man, I needed that type of structure. Like college, I mean I didn't party. I didn't do anything. I played football. I worked. Did y'all do Bible classes? It was a requirement? Yeah. I used to do Bible classes. It was like in a class. Like man, if you cheating this class, it's like, Man, I was scared to cheat. You know what I mean? Exactly. Like do I cheat in this Psalms Bible class? You talking about Moses and Jesus? It's hard to cheat. Yeah. Man. So how did you find out that, Hey man, I'm going to the Cleveland Browns, right? Yeah. Man, another crazy roadblock. NFL, I probably have the best pro day that any person can ever think of. He like, I had the fastest 40. I jumped. My vertical was high. I was excellent. I mean, everything that I could do, I possibly did. Every opportunity that presented itself, I was excellent at that. So it gets to NFL, I guess come to draft day or whatever. My name isn't called. I don't get a call from my agent. And at the end, all the free agents, undrafted free agents, they already get picked up.  Because of your size. So he said, but we do have a tryout for you for Cleveland and the Raiders. He was like, you choose where you will go. I'm like, me choose. I choose. I'm like, you the agent. You're supposed to know. Which one is best? Yeah. Which one is best?  You know what I'm saying? I'm like, this is your job. You know what I mean? So I'm doing that. And I'm in my sister's like graduation party. So I'm like nervous. So I just, man, let's go to Cleveland. Forget it. Let's go to Cleveland. So get the call from Cleveland and go down there on a tryout basis. I'm not an undrafted free agent. I'm not signed to anything. It's like a tryout. It's like, you can tell them like, let me try out. Yeah. You know what I mean? They'll let you try it. Like anybody could go try out for an NFL team within this time. That's basically what I was. And I love the fact that you were humble enough to just do it because some people would be like, now I'm going to wait because I'm not going, somebody's going to drive me. You know what I mean? Right. Right. Yeah. So I, man, that day must have been great too. It was, but just my whole life has just been unsettling about opportunities and take advantage of it. And it's a lot of stress and anxiety that comes with that. But I haven't thought about that until I retire. So going to Cleveland, I mean I get to Cleveland. My first day there, they just drafted a cornerback or whatever in first round, top 10 pick or whatever. So we doing one on one. So, you know what I mean? I'm young. I'm hype. I'm from Dallas. You know what I mean? I want you. You know what I mean? I slept on me. No, I want you. So we lined up and I even got the video. I can send to you, man. I run like four goal balls on them. Catch it every time. Burning them, boy. Burning them. Like going crazy, burning them. So we get into the whole practice and then I get hurt. And it's only three days of tryouts. So I get hurt on the first day of tryouts. Pushing too hard. Pushing too hard. Going too hard. I'm trying to, you know what I mean? I'm burning the soul off my shoes. You know what I'm saying? So the next day I go up to the gym office and, you know, NFL talking to the gym. He liked to grin, reap. But you don't even want to look at the gym. You know what I'm saying? When you walk in. So for the, for me try out, I go up and talk to, and all this is like documented. You can research and look it up. I go upstairs, man, and I go into the GM's office. I knock on his office and I look at him and tell him like, sir, if you give me an opportunity to be on this team, to sign me to a mini camp, I'll be the best decision that you've ever made in your career. I told him that the GM, I told him that I'm betting on myself. So he, he, Were you nervous going up there? Do you even say that? Man, you know, I'm from Dallas, man. I believe in me. I believe in D, man. Keep it going, man. You know what I'm saying? I'm from the D. I'm gonna shoot my shot. My shot, I feel the good. Oh, okay. I'm gonna shoot it. Okay. So I believe in me. At the end of the day. That's good. When hearing all this, I honestly believe in myself no matter the situation. Y'all hear that? Y'all have to believe in yourself. No matter the situation. No matter the situation. And I'm never hesitant. I'm gonna always go at it. I'm gonna always go at it 100 miles per hour. What's that GM say? He, he looked at me and laughed. He looked at me and laughed, man. I won 65 soaking wet. You know what I mean? I got Greg little Josh Gordon. He not worried about me. So he gives me an opportunity though because he sees kind of my fire and kind of my fortitude and what I'm trying to do. So he, man, we get into off to the off season and getting the training camp. And I mean, I'm having the best training camp that you can ever even think of. I'm on special teams. I'm burning people down. I'm doing everything possible that I can do to make this team. You know what I mean? To be on the back of the roster to make a team is kind of unheard of to make a team as a tryout. You know what I mean? So we get to. But don't try out. Sorry. But don't tryouts normally would push even harder than the people who they already picked. But you can. But at the end of the day with football, if he's better than you, he's better than you. If you're a tryout, there's a reason that you would try out. You know what I'm saying? But at the end of the day, I felt like I got slipped on. I felt like I was supposed to be a tryout. I was supposed to be a first round draft pick, but it's just a simple fact. They slipped on me because of my size. That's why I was a tryout. It wasn't my athletic ability.  Because on paper, when you look at five, eight, 162 pounds, that don't look too good. You know what I'm saying?  So we get to training camp. I'm balling in training camp. We get to cuts. I make the team. I make the team, man. I make the team. And I wouldn't have never thought that I would have made that team coming from a tryout, coming from what I was. And I was competing with like five other guys. I was competing with five other guys that are in the NFL right now and they have great careers. You know what I'm saying? So I beat out a lot of like top guys. How did it feel when you heard that, that you had made the team? Like that day? Like, because when I left college, when I left college, man, my car broke down. So I'm like, man. I'm going through it. Yeah. I'm going through it. I'm like, man, leave that car. I left all my stuff in there. It's probably still an ambulance. So I left that car, man. I left everything and from, from, and when I got that car, I was like, man, now I'm able to like buy myself a car. I'm able to, you know what I mean? Pay, pay, pay, pay, pay wifey back to everything that she invested in me. I'm, I'm staying with her during, during this whole process. I'm staying with my aunt. I got $30 to my name. I'm jumping from car to car, eating McDonald's, working out. You know what I mean? I ain't have nothing to my name at the time. So to have that is like, man, the first thing I bought, man, I bought myself a Dodge Challenger, man. V6. Nobody can, they can tell me nothing. That's when you drove over. Yeah. Yeah. Man, they can tell me nothing about that car, man. That was my first, first. Yeah. That thing was right. It wasn't, it wasn't that cheap one. Yeah. But when you, but after, okay. And I don't want, because I know that we can talk forever. When you went from there to, to Atlanta, how did that happen? After two years there in Cleveland, I was hurt that last year and brought a new regime, new head coach and things like that. And I mean, I had a good, I had a decent count, but with NFL and kind of football, the GM's kind of have their favorites in a sense. Someone could be better, but they've invested more into this guy. I'm kind of giving y'all the, the, the inside scoop on the NFL. So everything isn't always fair. You know what I mean? So if they invest, it's a lot of politics. So if you invest more into somebody, that GM, he's going to want to push his guy. He's not going to want to push this other guy that he has no ties to. Correct. You know what I mean? So I kind of got stuck into that. So my officer coordinator was in Cleveland. He went to Atlanta. So when I got cut, I got cut at, I got cut in the morning at 10 o'clock. I got picked up by Atlanta. I was on a flight at three PM in the afternoon in Atlanta. Bless. Bless. Bless. With that shana. Shana hand. Cow shana hand. Yeah.  Let's go. Pack it up. You know what I mean? I just bought this apartment. Just put furniture in it. You know what I mean?  Let's go. So I fly to Atlanta and I get there and it's a whole different dynamic, a whole different structure of team. Like this is what the NFL looks like. Man, I walk into the locker room. They jamming. Uh, they jamming all this rap in Cleveland. We couldn't listen to rap music. It was a lot of stuff that we couldn't do. Man, I walk into Atlanta. Man, they listen to rap music. Man, I feel like I'm in Magic City. Man, they got their shirt out. They rolling dice. I'm like, man, this is what NFL is like. You know what I'm saying? So when that first half, I was like, man, it's just a blessing that God put me in these situations to succeed. And then E, I, when you go from getting cut at 10, being on a plane at three. And then I think I slept, I slept at Josie's house. I slept at Josie's house that night. And then in the morning, I had practice. So that morning it was like approve yourself type of practice in Atlanta. So to go from getting cut at 10 to being on a flight at three to sleeping at your homeboy house. You know, if I'm sleeping in my homeboy house and then waking up that morning on approve yourself type of deal. So man, yeah, I'm looking at Julio Jones. I already know.  I'm looking at a team of Matt Ryan. I'm like, oh my God. I thought that was dope. When you get traded though, and you moved to another team, how hard is it to build a nation? No, when you get cut. When you get cut. Yeah, say cut. You gotta say cut. When you get cut.  It's, I mean, it's, it's, it's through anything because we men. Yeah. You got to gain my respect. And when you gain in my respect, you got to show me something. You know what I'm saying? Like you got to show me why you're here. You got to show me why I should respect. You got to show me why I should talk to you. So that's just kind of, that's football. It's, it's a violent sport and it's very like on some sports at 300 types of. So I, I, I get up that morning and I go against like Rocky, uh, um, Robert Alford and he's known for being aggressive. Yeah. So I ain't know that, you know what I mean? So my first snap after I'm going to get him and he like jumped at me. Yeah. He hit me all in my, in my face mask and stuff. It's like I'm on the yard. You know what I mean? I'm like, I can't show these people. I'm no punk. You know what I mean? So I slap off and hit him. You know what I mean? So we arguing and stuff. So throughout the whole thing, he's guarding me. So I guess they told him to guard me just to see where I was and where I was at. And after that first rep, even I cooked him the whole practice. I already know. I think he got me paid that day. But the thing is, like when you go into a situation like that and dealing with these guys, who the old Jones being maybe notably wanted the best to do it. At that, at that time, I was more worried about, damn, they going to hurt my boy. I always used to say that. I'd be in the bed. I quit. I wouldn't watch football, bro. You made me to work because I don't enjoy it no more like I used to. But when you played, I would watch it dinner religiously. And I tell my brother, I'll be like, man, I don't care whoever you playing against, I'm against him. You know what I'm saying?  You know what I'm saying? So and I just, when I seen that, I seen Julio, I was like, dang, that's going to really get, I felt like he was going to really shine because they going to be trying to guard the hell out of Julio. I'm like, and they going to throw it to that little nigga.  You know what I'm saying? That's what I thought about it. And that's exactly how it happened, man. Just throughout my whole career, I'm sorry, it's just been opportunity. Just take advantage of it. If someone's to always say like, man, what did you do with your opportunity? I feel like everyone has a chance in their life, like a certain window, a certain opportunity where they can become that person that they think they are or the goals or rich and famous or whatever you want to be in life is always one turning point in your life to where you have that opportunity is what you do with that opportunity. And with me, I can honestly say like, every opportunity I had, I mean, I did my thing with it. Like I didn't fumble the bar, I didn't drop it. I did exactly what I envisioned myself doing and more. And I think that's what separates me from the average person is because mentally, I was already that person. Mentally, I was who I was, who I am today. And I think that kind of just, I never doubted myself through any opportunity, through any situation that was never any doubt. And I think that kind of helped me put me in the position that I am today. And I love that, I really love that because some people, opportunity comes to everyone. For sure. But the thing is that some people because, and we all have ups and downs because you had ups and downs. Yeah, yeah. Some people get so angry because of all of those downs that they overlook those opportunities. They're blinded by the anger, the hate, all of that and overlook it. And that's why they don't see it. They can't grasp that opportunity. But I love the fact that you were able to see it and go head on for it. No matter what you were going through, you still believe in yourself. I knew that you were worth more than whatever troubles that you were going through. But how did it feel to have them come back on you in that Superbowl? I can tell you something. Man, I'm about to hear it.  That day, that was a bad day. And this dude next door that you had met, you remember the Indian dude next door on the Egyptian dude? He called me in the middle of the game, look like your wife is a winner of Superbowl. You know what I mean? And I was like, the Egyptian guy, Mike is the guy next door. And I was like, man, then after that, he called me. I'm like, dog, don't call me. I was so mad. I was upset because I felt like I lost. But that was tough. That's when I decided in my heart that football is read.  I was like, I said, damn, the point spread. The point spread is off. So what caused the, how did you end up in Chicago? I'm just trying to walk through this football thing and quit. I mean, after playing in the Superbowl, I kind of made a name for myself. The Turbo Taylor name or whatever it is. I kind of made a name for myself. And I think that kind of carried me out through the rest of my career. And with Atlanta, and just being honest on this show, I know I can talk real well. This show, this boss talk, what a boss is talking. Yeah, with Atlanta, I had an opportunity that summer to sign a nice little deal in Atlanta. Man, like inside school, dude, like DQ. DQ, the defense coordinator is here in Dallas right now. That was my head coach. So he brought me up to his office.  You know what I mean? So he was like, Turbo, he called me TG. Like, you deserved it. You just write down the number that you want. You know what I mean? So I'm like, damn, you know what I mean? Did you go up high? You know what I did? And he was like, man, we're going to get this done. So what happened was in the Super Bowl, I fractured my tibia. And I played through it, but I shouldn't have. And that kind of messed me up. So that offseason, DQ was real big on camaraderie, football camaraderie, and just being involved. So, man, I'm trying my best to work through the pain and go through the pain, but I couldn't. So that whole offseason, I didn't do anything. So it was kind of like, it wasn't a good look on the behalf of me about to get paid. You know what I'm saying? Because I'm a white collar, third, whatever receiver that I am. You know what I mean? I'm not Julio Jones. I can't do that. So we get to the season. And with Matt Ryan, like, man, I'm spilling all the beans on here. No, go ahead. I'm right here. That's what we're here for. We make you real comfortable. Yeah, yeah. Right. With Matt, and the whole reason why I didn't sign back in Atlanta was because with Matt Ryan, just not my work ethic, just I couldn't give him what he was looking for. Okay. Because of my shin. So when we would run routes, I couldn't run as fast. And he wants that in-game look. You know what I'm saying? So I guess it came off as me not giving 100% of my work ethic being off. But I literally couldn't. I had to warm that thing up before I get going because I was in excruciating pain. You know what I mean? And I had to deal with that for the longest. So we kind of fell out over that. And the deal kind of fell out on the wayside. We never kind of came back to contract talks. And I mean, I was having a good year that year. You know what I mean? So it came to a point in their year towards like, man, I got to look out for myself. I can't keep putting myself in these bad situations because if I get hurt, like, man, ain't nobody going to want to sign me. I'm right. You know what I mean? So it was just a weird time in my life because I went from being up there, signing that number, me seeing that to now I'm kind of like, oh, I really don't want you. But I just, I want you here to make plays when it's here to be made. So at the back end of that year, man, it was kind of weird, man, to be honest. But going into that offseason, I knew that somebody would pick me up, but I didn't know. Emanuel was there the day that I got the call from Chicago Bears, man. And man, I'm nervous the whole day, my anxiety back.  I'm seeing all this money going across the screen. All my home was getting paid 36 million, E42, man. I'm like, man, I'm colder than him. 36 million. I'm 36 million. You know what I mean? Everybody getting paid and I never hated on them. You know what I'm saying? I knew it was always going to be a time for me, no matter what the opportunity was. So, man, my agent called me at the back end of the day before deadline closes, maybe like 10 minutes before it was supposed to close. He called me. He was like, turbo, I got a deal for you. I'm like, man, what it is? I'm thinking it's like a little one year. You know what I mean? Look, 2.5, 2 million. I said, man, I'm straight. I'm from Dallas, man. I don't know 2.5 million looking like it. You know what I mean? So, man, he called me. He was like, man, turbo, we got a deal for you for, it was like a three year, $15 million deal. Like $15 million. I'm like, take it. I'm like, hey, I'm talking to you. I'm like, take it, take it, take it. And my agent is on the phone. He was like, man, like, chill, like relax.  He telling me like, chill, chill, relax. I'm going to get you more. I'm like, it's $14 million. How much more I need? You know what I'm saying? I think I'm straight with $14 million. You know what I mean? How much more can I get? So, it's probably a minute before the deadline. And I think I'm feeling a little faint. I'm feeling the past. Because I think he done messed up on the $14 million. So, man, he can attest to all this, man. He called me back. He said, man, Taylor, I got you four. I got you four years for $26 million. With $14 million guaranteed. And everything up front in the first two years. So I'm like, man, this can't be real. You got to send that contract. I need to see something. So, man, I get in. I tell my family and I see it all on ESPN. Everybody hit me up.  It just kind of reverted me back to just my faith and opportunities, man. Just never lose faith and just never doubt yourself, man. Just always think positive. Never think a negative, you know what I mean? Outcome on what you're trying to do. And for me to come from what we all just talked about. Come on, man. Four years for $26 million. It can't always tell God growing up like God, if you put me in this position, I promise that I will use this to help others and put other people in position. You know what I'm saying? And I think that's what he did. I don't think this money is just for me, but it's for everybody that I can touch. That's so good when you can see the purpose. And then the maturity level, man. I see you just talked about going from a young man to maturity. Maturity, you was like, all right, they told me to sign here. I signed the paper to going all the way through Atlanta to get to that, to Chicago. And self-awareness is everything. To go in and talk to the GM and self-awareness. Understanding who you are. That's important, man. Most people don't have the confidence level to do a lot of stuff that you just talked about. So it's really just having that confidence and self-awareness and all the God-willing texts and stuff that you put at the end of everything you was doing. All that stuff matter, man. And you walked in purpose. That's all it was. And being organic and really seeing that, although you're saying that your faith and so forth, we all human beings, sometimes we're wavering that faith because when you talk about your anxiety and the doubt and all of that, but yet you come right back to it and be like, isn't God good? Giving him the glory because you see it. You know what I mean? I love that. And I can give a good example. At the end of the day, it's like taking a test. If you study for that test and you know everything on that test and you feel comfortable. When you get in there, what you doing when you get that test? You trying to...  So I think in life and all my opportunities, man, I grinded so hard. I worked so hard, man, to where I couldn't sleep at night and to where I felt like somebody was beating me and my opportunity. And that's why I say with all my opportunities, I took advantage of it, not because I just was confident and cocky and believed in myself. Like, I put in crazy hours before this opportunity came. So when it came, it's like I knew all the answers to the test. I remember when you was over here, like I said, I got mad as hell when he was in there. I said, man, then it came to beat me no push up. I said, man, I still was trying to fight and I didn't have nothing to fight with no more. I was so proud of you, though, man. We are proud of you. Me and my wife, we remember you, you was an introvert, really. He wasn't talking about it. Yeah, he was quiet.  He was real. Especially he. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He was the one that would call himself a player. Yeah, yeah. So, you know, I'm proud of it, man. But I was a little pee. But I wanted to know, so, because in the whole conversation you're talking about, you always mention your wifey. So, how important was it to have her by your side during the whole transition? Man, just, she kind of kept me grounded. You know what I'm saying? When you get to a certain point in your life to where you and kind of like your... And how old were you when she came into your life? My sophomore year in college. So, we've been together almost 10, 12 years. Okay. So, I call it like your godly form. Like, when you come into that godly form in the sense of saying like, this is God's purpose for you. When you come into that form, the people around you can be yes, man. They can be, not saying my circle was, they can be yes, man. You can do what you want to do. And there's no precaution to it. And you can be that person because when I was outside, everybody loved me. Everybody showed me love. Oh, that's him, that's him.  You know what I'm saying? You tripping. You need to... So, to kind of have that always there throughout my whole career, man, I didn't do a whole bunch of partying. I didn't throw away a lot of my money. So, at the end of the day, I can honestly say, man, my wife probably saved me $10 million. And you always valued her opinion. And I always valued her. I always try to make her equal to me. I never put my money over her head. I never put who I was over my head because we always made decisions together.  I'm going this, I'm going that. So, I know you had all those ladies probably trying to hit on you and stuff like that. Yeah, for so. How did you handle that?  We see all of those problems. Don't tell her everything. Because then you have those people that caught up in situations like that. How can they prevent that? Yeah, that's dope. How can you prevent that? It's really just, it's really just, man, the decisions that you make just not putting yourself in that situation because I feel like a situation can get overwhelming into a point to where it's kind of out of control. I never put myself in a situation to where I wasn't in control. And I can really say that through over my whole period of time. And for me, like, you know what I mean? If a party is going on and if I ain't feeling it, like I'm like, man, I leave, you know what I mean? And I think that's the difference because and I ain't going out of my way for nobody, you know what I'm saying? So, at the end of the day, I think my advice is just don't put yourself in that situation. If you know any kind of hate or harm can come out of the situation, why even put yourself in that situation? You know what I'm saying? So I think that's kind of helped me throughout my whole career.  I said, man, this boy didn't make, boy, you made the family happy. Your sister look happy. I watched all those pictures, man. You know, because I pay attention because I know where it's coming from and I'm really looking and paying attention to the fact of how their lives changed and the rest of this as well. I thought, how did your sister react just over the years? You know what? What's so funny, man? I'm going to tell you a funny story. My sister really don't understand football. She don't. She don't know, like, understand, really touch down. And first down, she just knew her brother was playing. You know what I'm saying? My sister didn't understand that I was famous and I was who I was until the Super Bowl. So let's say four years into my career. Yeah, yeah.  I'm getting her stuff. You know what I mean? Doing health and tuition. She ain't tripping. This is what you're supposed to do. You know what I'm saying? But she didn't really understand it. She went to a Super Bowl and, like, seen my picture on the side of the, on the side of, like, the dome in Houston. And she was like, oh, okay, my brother is something now. I know, sir. Dad already knew. He's been pushing, you know, all the time. You know, he's living through me. He is in there. You can't tell him nothing. You can't tell him nothing. He didn't play. You know what I'm saying? So, yeah. That little boy that looked like your twin to be running around. Emmanuel keeps taking pictures of him, man. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Little turbo is just in the building, man. Junior Junior. Man, so, so, um... Would you ever want him to be in the NFL? You know what? I don't want him to play football. Everybody say that. Who just said that? That's what I was wondering. Oh, Carl Crawford said he didn't want his kids to play. He didn't want to play football, man, just because I've already done it. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? I've already conquered that within a whole lifetime span. You know what I'm saying? It didn't do anything to me. But just saying, like, man, I want him... I'm giving you the opportunity to go overseas and play the trumpet or the violinist or something. You know, I'm giving you that opportunity to explore that build. Astronaut or... You might be surprised. He might just turn around and want to be just like you. I know, and if he does, then I'm going to push him. But I'm going to push him in the area to where... To be all around. To be all around, to be an architect. You know what I mean? A developer, like a surgeon. I didn't get that opportunity to do that because I didn't know anything about college. I'm in college. I don't know anything. I'm playing football, but he has that opportunity to do that. So if you want to go... What they say when the kids go overseas and I don't know what they call it, you're going overseas and they doing school overseas. I know what you're talking about. Man, go do that. Introduce yourself to a life that I wasn't introduced to. Exactly. How many more do you want? I just have one. How many more do you want? I'm done. He done. He need a girl. He done. No, he said he needed a girl. He need a girl. It's called Daddy's Little Girl. I know, man. I want a girl. See? It's all good. She done. She done. So just as far as you and Emmanuel have been friends ever since, I got to talk about that. Y'all been friends ever since y'all was young.  You know I lost my best friend. He died in a car wreck. Man, I hate to hear that. That was a long time ago now. Shout out Michael Harrison, man. I still love you. And I love Michael Jr. as well. You need to come on the show. But anyway, yeah, just how did y'all stay linked to all these years? Man, he kept himself involved with me. You know what I mean? He can tell you that. I don't talk a lot. I'm not the best of friends either. Really? I'm not the best of friends. Sometimes I can be alone by myself a lot. You push people away. I push people away. Yeah. And he is the person to where like he's the perfect, I guess he's the perfect friend for me because I'll push you away and he'll go around the back though and be like, man, what you doing, dawg? But that's the friendship. That's what friends do, man. Real friends don't ever leave your side no matter how you act or whatever. And man, he never left. He never left. And there was nothing that I was on just like some Hollywood stuff. That's just me. Like, man, I can chill by myself all day every day and be good. You know what I mean? I'm on the floor and play with pennies. Lay down in my hammock. But he kept himself involved with me, man. He actually, he cared about me as a person. And man, as men, like I can honestly say, man, he loved on me, man, at the time to where I needed it. At the time to where I didn't feel like I can trust anyone. And he gave that to me for a friend to kind of stay around me and stay kind of in my pocket like that. I can only say that now, I'm pretty sure he can't believe, I'm finna say this, I can only say that I love him back. You know what I'm saying? Come on, man. It's very appreciative for sure. I've seen it. I mean, I see it now.  I'm just glad I got to see it. You blessed me by y'all letting me see how real it can be.  Y'all keep it so 100. And it's real, man. And you seen us together. We was together in this shop doing push ups. Every time, man. Whatever y'all was doing, I was doing it together. And that's dope, bro. The genuine brotherhood. I want to get into the entrepreneurship a little bit. I want to get out. Let's talk a little bit about X's in the NFL and how that affected you, man. Because I knew it couldn't have been easy because you love football so much. Man, and honestly, I can say it was easy to me. It was easy to me just because I had accepted... I came to a point to where I accepted what I did for the NFL and my opportunity and my short window and you heard my story, man. It was just so tiring. Keep having to prove myself and prove myself. But I came to a point to where I accepted it that I did everything that I was supposed to do and it's life now. It's time for me to change somebody else's life. I've hit my totem pole and my goals and I've got where I needed to be. Now, it's time for me to touch a manual. If I can touch y'all, it's time for me to touch y'all. It's time for me to give something more valuable than money is my time. Now, it's my time to pour into my people. Yeah, well, like I said, you couldn't wrote this out, man.  I couldn't wrote this out. I mean, I couldn't do it if I knew out of came to every football game. But that's not the way God wanted it. So I never wanted to play that part. That's the way I looked at it. I'm gonna be honest with you, when we was coming to Atlanta that time, I was trying to look up with you. And I was just like, you know, if it happened, it happened, but if it don't, it don't. I still love you, but I understand. You got a mission you got to do. I'm gonna figure this out. Okay, life is something else. No matter what you throw at me, I'm gonna make it out of something. And that's the difference.  I'm sorry.  Or, man, he Hollywood. Or man, he's changed. I'm grinding, dawg.  And this last set doesn't turn into an hour. And then from that hour, I went into my entrepreneurship and that turned into another hour. So at the end of the day, man, I'm tired. You know what I'm saying? And I forgot to hit you back, but that doesn't mean I don't love you. Also, that means you're not working as hard as me. You know what I'm saying? If you're waiting on me. So at the end of the day, and that's what I've already respected about you, he has always kept it. So, you know what I mean? A hundred work, man. Because he grinded. He was his own boss. Bosses relate to other bosses. And we're supposed to be in a room with each other and sit at the dinner table together and eat with each other. And create other bosses. So I can't... I respect the fact that you know what position God put me in. You know what I'm saying? Self-awareness, again. Self-awareness is important. My wife, she had my back this whole time. You've been seeing her ever since you were a kid. And I've seen that with you. Without her, I wouldn't be who I am right now. So I know that and I love you. Yeah, let's get it popping. You might go down the night. Real talk. And I've seen it. Well, it's so crazy because it's just the influence of your lady, you know what I'm saying? As me, it's good to see that. And I know that's normal. You know what I'm saying? You've got so many people who are getting into a position and you never see they first lady. And to see your first lady, your first lady is not just working. She's right beside you. And I feel like as a man, you need that. Definitely. But you're younger. So for me growing up, I know what you see even more because the woman was supposed to be at home behind the scenes. They might have been in the business but they weren't seen. It was made to the men who were in front doing what they do. But I don't know if it was because of Jay-Z, Beyonce, or even Power Couples and celebrities became a thing where all of a sudden everybody on social media was showing more Power Couples, them grinding together. So it's more prevalent now in today's society. But the difference is when you pick a partner, you pick a partner.  You was picking her because of her mind. You knew what she could bring to you. You know what I'm saying? I think we should do it this way. Someone that can correct you even when you was wrong and you can respect it. I wrote a letter to God, man. Baby, I need to write a letter. There should have been more detail on what I wanted. I just said I want a pretty woman.  I need a woman that's going to help me when I need her. He gave me everything I asked for and more. I can't be mad at him. So entrepreneurship coming out. I've seen the trucks. They look like some Bob tales. I've seen that and I've seen y'all pushing hard. Explain to me what that is and give me some details on it. When the pandemic came I've seen a lot of people losing jobs and I've seen a lot of people they didn't have a way to you know what I mean? To pay for stuff. Everybody losing their jobs. I got with E and Josie. What's a way to help people? What's a way to supply people jobs? What's something that can't go out of business Amazon. Amazon. I used to order from them. When the pandemic hit my orders started they were the ones you could have seen. You've seen the trucks everywhere in Amazon.  I was working for Amazon for about six months. Did you need a CDL for it? No you don't need a CDL. I wanted to experience you want to know your business. I worked. I was working behind to see how I had a mask on. Nobody knew who I was and one day I think I was late to some I took off running and the manager or whatever that's over everything he was like man you fast as hell man.  I'm like man you know what I think I should play football and I think I had messed up and drove one of my cars there one night because my other little dugout car wasn't available so I met Amazon and a Lamborghini so he come outside and he see me jump in and then we get to talking and just pouring things out and at the end of the day he was a big fan of mine. That opened up so many doors for me to take for me to drive and learn it to now we have in 10 lanes so 10 lanes with box trucks we have 10 trucks going each night so I've supplied my sister works for me my wife's cousin works for me my cousin my cousin cousin my sister's cousin like man it's like you ever had a family like man let me hold $20 now you can't hold $20 to drive this box truck I did that but it was the wrong way. But I used to always hear that it's the worst thing to hire a family. It's not. It's gonna know how you organize your business. I ran into some things but my heart is so big man I'm gonna give you an opportunity to you cross me and when you do cross me I'm gonna keep your business I'm gonna fire you I'm not gonna play with you because if you play with my money then I gotta play with yours so I'm gonna cut it off I'm not gonna play with it too much so I probably hire maybe over $20 to $30 maybe $50 in your family not just in general the pandemic that's needed a job an opportunity to pay for they rent so with that we created that a manuals in that and man that run itself man I don't even my wife's cousin and my sister and my wife actually runs that business yeah she run it like I don't even put my hands on anymore don't more than the development real estate life what I was gonna ask you about next you had told me about the real estate now what's going on with that with real estate I do affordable housing so it's between $250 and $350,000 so it's more of a millennial type group anybody who's into like first home buying I'm building those and I'm not just building those I'm building it to where it's like I will live in it so it's nice it has nice amenities of kind of a million dollar house I build homes and I just build homes I've been in preparation to building community so 20 homes and 60 homes cooperating and conjoining JVs with like Jack Matthews Jack Matthews is a developer who built the Omni Hotel and Dick LeBlancs and he's a guy who's built communities around Texas what's the name of your company Gabriel Property Solutions so stuff like that man and just having an opportunity to expand my portfolio and it's never for a person I mean as a business man you gotta have a little you know what I mean you gotta have some business and cash flow coming in but it's more to put people in position you've been saying it the whole time my builder is a younger black guy younger black gentleman core homes, K-O-R-E homes and he's my age and he's been building so I gave him my opportunity to build a community built this 14 home community for me I see you've been doing onesies and twosies now let me give you the opportunity to build this community and become of you know what I mean a home builder because I remember when we were looking at when I be window shopping I always look for certain builders because I know that they do certain things all the time and that's what I look for even like me I don't like upstairs downstairs homes but not many builders give you the room you need if you don't go up but there was this one builder that that's all they did so I know that I don't want to look at no other homes except from them so that's the reason why I was like make sure you say the name of your builder so people can know what to look for core homes, K-O-R-E homes let me ask you is there, well first of all everything you said is about helping people you keep saying that I want to help people, I want to provide opportunity put people in a position that's what it's all about that's what it's all about when you're an entrepreneur you don't just start one business and stick with that one business okay start it, it can run on its own let me go into something else keep moving go ahead just kind of piggyback on my opportunities I like to be the best at whatever I'm doing if I'm E and I'm doing this podcast it's similar to what he was saying I'm going to be the best at it so I'm not going to have my hands in a whole bunch of other cookie jars I'm going to focus on being the best at it so Amazon that thing is rolling on itself within its own and with this it's rolling pretty good as well so now I'm vituring off and opening this PT clinic with Emmanuel I'm pretty sure it's dope I want to ask about the tequila yeah I know you got something going with the tequila what's the name of it and I'm supposed to be having some here we could have filled this table up I ain't got no sponsorship I need some tequila and I don't drink or nothing you know that I don't drink either I quit drinking in 95 but I stopped drinking what you stopped for how long about a year have you given it up I mean I indulge with some red wine I gave up the hard liquor and this red wine occasionally I indulge it's good for the heart I want to have that tequila I need it to be right here I'm going to put it when you have Barack Obama right here I'm bragging I already had the prime minister I hate him I had him already I'm working with a nice display make it all cute thank you man I just don't know what else to even say my boy here my boy Gabriel Taylor's in the building I'm just trying to figure out if you got something else to say I'm going to get him out of here one more thing because we're having all of the well two more things we're having all these different businesses I just say you don't want to have too many hands in cooking jars and stuff like that do you ever go back I know your wife run one so you don't have to worry about that at all but would you go back to make sure that everybody's doing what they're supposed to be doing because when you're not looking people get ahead of themselves sometimes I always check in I do weekly check in so I'm always there but in the day to day the grit of the business I'm not asking because at the end of the day well the owner of McDonald's you know what I'm saying is he at all McDonald's you have to find someone at the end of the day in business and entrepreneurship you have to find some trust in someone to where they take care of your business and know that it's a team aspect and we're all going to the same go so if you need me I'm here and I'll definitely be checking in but I mean if I'm trying to delegate everything and trying to be focused on things I need to make sure that I trust that person that who's in control with it my problem is I don't ever want a loss but I know that when you think about McDonald's you know people over there taking chicken nuggets and not paying for it and doing stuff but at the same time looking at the bigger picture they're making so much money that the little losses probably don't even matter I mean if I take a loss if I take a loss I take a loss but at the end of the day like man my heart is so big to where if I do take a loss that means somebody crossed me and if you cross me it's a good thing that I figured that out I have one more question before we get to that give me your top three NFL players of all time in our lives yeah she got you Julio, Julio Jones he's your number one he's my number one man I say Julio Jones who else I'm going with people that I play with I'm gonna go Julio Jones I'm gonna go man I go Andrew Hawkins man he'll smile he'll smile while receiving he gonna like this I go Andrew Hawkins I go Andrew Hawkins man and I go me that's a good choice turbo in the building man so we wanted to bless you something to show our token appreciation we got you you got the word add you got the word add you got the word add right there for show you know you got the word add for show man like it ain't no tomorrow like it ain't no tomorrow like it ain't no tomorrow yeah man we just always try to show love man definitely got to show love my boy what's so low lose you say the other night man don't let nobody sit in that seat unless they put the balls talking jog on that's okay yeah that's dope man so hey man we just wanted to try to bless you and also man we are we just always we always started off this thing doing things like we're about to do here with you giving you a plaque that tells you know just just showing you love on the factor that's what we do we love over here man can I come back it's my interview over no no it is get close I got presents I want to come back so we would like to give you this plaque for Taylor Gabriel in recognition for your hard work and dedication in the national football league now becoming an exceptional entrepreneur blessed to have witnessed your journey wow yeah that's it right there we had already got it for you so we love hard over here man you know what I'm saying we love hard man yeah we love hard to be honest with you and that's what's been going on over here ever since we started this platform cause we want to get people they rose it's 2021 because you're supposed to come in but but something happened that was a big deal your friend passed away but thank you so much man we love you Taylor man we always love you you was in our life now for man decades right and we ain't gonna never let you go man it's a lifetime thing over here man ticket man it's been another great segment of boss talk 101 okay Taylor boss talk would love to present you with this award to tell you all the amazing things you've been doing so it says presented to Taylor Gabriel in recognition for your hard work and dedication in the national football league now becoming an exceptional entrepreneur I like to bless to have witnessed your journey hey thank you man we love you man just trying to give you a rose love you too man it's real it's real love ticket man


My course in the Barcelona International Summer School is about Transmediate Storytelling. The question is, what is Transmediate Storytelling? Transmediate Storytelling is a narrative, it's a story that is told in different media and platforms and also people, users, audiences, they participate in the expansion of this story. For example, writing fan fiction, creating YouTube videos or making memes. So in this course we are going to analyze different experiences of Transmediate Storytelling, both in fiction and non-fiction. So we are going to talk about Transmedia Journalism or Transmedia Documentary also. At the same time, in this course, the participants will develop a Transmedia project, both in fiction and non-fiction. So this is the content of this course. So see you in the Barcelona International Summer School.


So you don't know what in front means, not a problem. This is literally the opposite of behind.  So if we click here, it's gonna get this whole side.   Hope that helps, and as always, I hope you have a fantastic day, and I'll see you around.


Turning the clock back to the 1940s and 50s, the scientific community was in the midst of a debate about the nature of the hereditary material that is responsible for passing our traits onto our children, to our children's children, and so on for generations. Pretty existential question, right? An experiment by Avery McLeod and McCarty in 1944 first suggested that perteams were not responsible for heredity, as previously thought, and instead DNA was the culprit. However, given that their results flew in the face of the current thinking, not everyone was convinced. In science, a great deal of evidence is needed before a new scientific idea is accepted as fact. Therefore, in 1952, Alfred Hershey and Martha Chase carried out experiments which addressed a similar question. Was DNA the hereditary material or was it protein, or was it something else? To solve this important puzzle, Hershey and Chase needed a simple model organism to solve this complex question, and a clever experiment. They chose the simplest organism possible, a bacteriophage, which is a virus that infects bacteria. This virus looks a bit like a lunar landing module and attaches to the outside of the bacteria. It then injects a substance into the bacteria to create many new copies of the virus. These newly manufactured viruses are released when the bacteria bursts. So the substance injected inside of the bacteria must contain the instruction manual for making new virus. It contains the hereditary material. But what was this material that the virus injected into its host? The answer to their question might shed light on the nature of heredity for all life on earth. Viruses consist of two things, a DNA core surrounded by a protein coat. Hershey and Chase needed to figure out which of the two was injected into the bacteria. They ran two experiments and in each they labeled one of the components. For this labeling they used radioactive tags, radioactive sulfur for the protein, and radioactive phosphate for the DNA. This was an elegant method because phosphate is only found in DNA and not in the amino acids that make up proteins. And sulfur is only found in proteins and not DNA. After the viruses infected the bacteria, the researchers examined whether the radioactive signal was detected inside the bacteria or left outside. To do so they needed to separate the bacteria from the viruses attached to their outsides and did so using a warring blender, similar to that used for making milkshakes. Once separated they then centrifuge the sample since bacteria are bigger they were centrifuged to the bottom, while the smaller viruses remained at the top of the tube. When they prepared virus with sulfur labeled protein and mixed it with bacteria they found that most of the radioactivity remained with the virus and did not enter the bacteria. When they allowed the virus to replicate and collected the new viruses less than 1% of the protein radioactivity from the viral parents were found in the newly replicated virus so the protein was not being inherited. On the other hand when they performed the same experiment using virus with its DNA labeled with phosphate they found that most of the radioactive DNA was injected into the bacteria from the attacking virus and much of this labeled DNA was inherited and passed on to the new virus generation. Hershey and Chase added to the mounting evidence pointing the finger at DNA as the hereditary material but they were aware that their experiments left a few unanswered questions as experiments often do and they were cautious in their conclusions. From their observations they stated that DNA had some function in the multiplication of the virus whereas proteins did not. Word about the Hershey Chase experiment spread quickly and helped to convince many scientists that DNA indeed was the molecule of heredity and the remaining skeptics could not hold up for much longer. A year later Watson and Crick published their model of the DNA double helix which provided an elegant explanation for how DNA with such a simple structure could be replicated and pass along information from parents to offspring. The Hershey Chase experiment is considered a classic in biology because it tackled an important question with the use of a well-chosen model organism and an elegant experimental design in order to clearly distinguish between two competing hypotheses.


The environmental campaign group Insulate Britain have caused weeks of controversy by blocking roads to gain attention for their demands. It's fair to say, while their demand that the government should pay to insulate homes is popular, their methods aren't. Much of the critique, the complaints about Insulate Britain are reasonable, just motorists who want to get to their destination slightly annoyed about traffic jams. It's not fine, however, to use a traffic jam or non-violent direct action as an argument for fascism. This was a moment from Channel 5's Jeremy Vineshow this morning. That was Mike Parry speaking. He's an ex-son supporter. That clip has been viewed over a million times on Twitter. It was shared many times, I think, because people thought he was talking about ethnic minorities and one user tagged Jeremy Vines asking how it was acceptable to let that go out on air. This is what Jeremy Vines tweeted in response. This would have been totally unacceptable had Mike been referring to members of ethnic minorities. In fact, this snippet does not make clear. Mike Parry was actually talking about the eco protesters who brought the M25 to a halt. He said they represented very few people in the UK. Jeremy Vineshow has now deleted that tweet. We would like to show you the full clip with the fuller context of that intervention. Unfortunately, the Jeremy Vineshow haven't made the episode available online just yet. We can't explain why. I'm going to get Aaron's thoughts on this in one moment. First of all, let's just show you the clip one more time. Now you know the context provided by Jeremy Vineshow. Minorities have to be squashed.  Is it fine though to say you'll squash minorities when minorities are people who have particular political beliefs instead of, you know, immutable characteristics? Well, in a democratic free society, Michael, minorities right should be protected. And that doesn't just mean ethnic minorities or religious minorities or linguistic minorities or women or LGBT people. It also means people who hold minority political views, which are of course still congruent with democratic values. So for instance, most people aren't Republicans in this country. They want to keep the monarchy.  It doesn't mean people have permission to go around beating us up. Because minority rights when it comes to freedom of political conscience, freedom of expression, freedom of association is really important. Once upon a time, the idea that women should have the vote was a minority view. Who knows what will be a majority view in 50, 100 years time. And we know that the train tracks upon which the locomotive of historical progress, if it does exist at all, they are the idea that perhaps the minority is right, or perhaps the minority have something to teach the rest of us. That's a very basic point. And what I found very strange about Jeremy, Jeremy Vines initial responses to say, Oh, he just means political minorities as if political minorities have never been subject to violence and murder and intimidation, very strange thing to say. If you want to defend a free society, you don't think or say that. Secondly, he was clearly referring to all minorities because he said, I think the exact words Michael, maybe you can again get, we want to get it right down. He said in all instances or something to that effect.  Very, very, very dangerous thing to say. There's a reason why the other guest on the show, I think it was Yasmin Alibi Brown. Like you say, Michael, nobody can find this show online. I wonder why. He said instantly, almost like a reflex. Oh my God. I think most people watching that or listening to this show probably felt the same way. It is fascism. And the fact that Jeremy Vine made an apology for it or rather excused it is unacceptable. And I think for something like Jeremy Vine, who look, he has Ash Sarkron, he has Owen Jones on and he has people from the right, like Carol Malone on as well, right? They want good television and they would say, well, people from the right, you might not agree with them, but they reflect a segment of public opinion. That's a fair argument. What this man is saying is something quite distinct, however, what he's saying is at odds with the very foundation upon which a free society rests. That can't be allowed on television broadcast without significant scrutiny and accountability for the programmers and for the host. And I do find it remarkable that after the fact on social media, somebody as intelligent as Jeremy Vine, who has his politically experienced when it comes to the fallout of these kinds of things on broadcast TV or radio, it happens, it's live media after all would say that. And I do think it says something quite dangerous about how toxic our media environment is. I don't think he agrees with the point, but he would say, well, he has a right to say that. No, I don't think he has a right to say that actually. I don't think anybody has a right to say that minorities should be crushed. No, that's not how it works. Because if you start omitting people to say that on live television, very quickly, we're going to lose some of the most sacred things we hold there in our society. The other thing that sort of shocked me about it, and I suppose why it is just so congruent with classic far right tropes is this idea that minorities have the upper hand. Now, obviously, the classic sort of version of this is antisemitism. You'll also get it with sort of white replacement theory where you have ethnic minorities who are now determining policy and determining who can say what and who can't say what and ultimately their intent on becoming a majority, classic far right conspiracy theories. But they're also, I mean, they're also paranoid. And I think this clip just shows how ridiculous that is. This is a guy who was a reporter at The Sun. He's often on television, standard right-wing talking head who thinks that the insulate Britain activists have got the upper hand. The insulate Britain activists are the new people with power in this country who need to be crushed. Now, you might find a few traffic jams annoying. As I say, I think it's perfectly reasonable to find a few traffic jams annoying. Some people will say it's legitimate because it's such a serious issue, such a serious issue climate change that all peaceful action is justified. This is certainly a peaceful action. Others will say actually, it's self-defeating. It's also kind of annoying and it's a bit undemocratic to put your demands forward in those ways. Now, I don't want to weigh in on either of those arguments. What I do think it's safe to say is this group of people going out in the middle of motorways to say home should be insulated, they do not have the upper hand. They are not controlling politics in this country and anyone who thinks they are is just completely deluded or completely disingenuous. I don't know which one you think it is of those areas. Do you think this guy is really terrified that insulate Britain have got the upper hand or is this just cynical politicking? Oh, no, I think he really believes it. A key part of modern fascism, Michael, what fascism generally is the idea that we're in the majority but we're also the victims. Somehow the minorities have got us under the thumb, whether it's people with disabilities, whether it's Jewish people, whether it's socialists, whether it's students, whether it's people on benefits, all these minorities are somehow exploiting the majority, which actually isn't really a majority because we're talking about a lot of people here, but it's this idealised notion of the person who keeps the country ticking over the middle-aged, white man, I'm the taxpayer, I'm the one that adds to the pot, I'm the one that gives the surplus, they're the ones who are in deficit, I give, they take, I'm the striver, they're the skiver, that kind of discourse. I think he does believe it. I think if you worked at the Sun for that long, I think clearly you're going to internalise those odours. It's become the norm now in British politics, Michael, over the last 20, 25 years. It's called the Jeremy Vines show, but it reminded me of another Jeremy, Jeremy Kyle. A lot of current affairs and political coverage and political conversation in this country now looks like Jeremy Kyle 10, 15 years ago, and people will say, well, you don't want the guy on there, you're calling him far right, well, the far left shouldn't go on either. Well, I think somebody arguing for free broadband or rent caps isn't quite the same as somebody saying that we should crush all minorities and suppress freedom of political expression. Maybe I'm strange, but I don't think those two things are equivalent. And I think people like Jeremy Vines, I think people in the mainstream media and broadcasts and radio, TV, all the way down to the people booking guests need to have a really strong thing about the kinds of people they want on. Now, it doesn't mean you constrain politically the political complexion of people that you have as guests. I'm not suggesting that. I think we should have people who think Brexit's good or wrong or liberals, conservatives, socialists, that's fine. But you can't have people calling for the smashing of individual people's rights. That to me is a form of political incitement that goes beyond the acceptable parameters of broadcast TV. And I think you shouldn't be allowed back on there again. I think they should apologize for it.


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So Gavir, you must be buzzing after that one. What a tremendous team effort from the lads this afternoon. Yeah, I'm really pleased. Big test for us today. Come against Knox County, I'm beating on the travels. They've got a lot of announced in the team, a lot of experience and I can see why they've done so well. Also a test, the last home game we conceded late. And I thought it was a real character test for us today and we came through it well. There was no mental weakness on the pitch at all. Physically we looked strong, but mentally we looked even stronger and that's really important. And what a great effort, in particular considering we've literally just played 48 hours earlier, the lads were really giving their all right to the last seconds really. Yeah, I thought the energy levels were fantastic today. I don't think you'd have known there'd been a game two days before. We snapped in the challenges, we drove forward at every opportunity, we had runners without the ball. And it was a deserved victory. We'd love to have got that second goal to kill the game off, but I think the lads are trying to turn me and Steve Gray on the touch line or Gray out. But in a way to come through that test was great for us because we had to stand strong and I've got to say I thought the crowd played a huge part today. The supporters came in numbers to watch the game, but the way they stayed behind the team urged the lads on and the lads were almost playing on a dream in towards the end and that was credit to the support we got. And the home grouse have done well to get the game on today. Obviously the frost goes off, but it wasn't the easiest of pitches as well. Obviously when you had that in two games in three days, it was a bit of a slipper underfoot as well. That's even more credit to the guys. Yeah, very difficult conditions. Credit to Mick to get the game on. Huge effort, it was important. We got it on. But I thought we dealt with it well and some big performances today. Good to see Gary Jones and Tom Hoback, but I think Gary Little's performance today in the middle of that park was exceptional. We read the game really well, made tackles, passed it well, won headers and I thought it was excellent.


Welcome back folks! Today we have a special hardware review. We're going to be taking a look at what I believe is the best setup for the classic Nintendo games, the Retro USB AVS and the Everdrive N8. To start off, let me explain what they each are. The Retro USB AVS is a high quality NES clone console. It is known as an FPGA console, a field programmable gate array. What this means is it does not use any emulation of any kind. It contains a chip that perfectly replicates the logic found within an actual NES console, making it functionally identical with the major advantage that it works on modern HD televisions. The Retro USB AVS has four ports for original NES control pads which are sold separately and outputs 720p with 60 frames per second. It uses original NES cartridges and saves directly to them. Now you may be asking a question, why get an FPGA console when you can just download an NES emulator to your computer? Well the way I see it, this is a product for someone who takes retro gaming really seriously and wants the best possible experience with high compatibility. I think of it as the video game equivalent of buying a vinyl record player. Sure you could get a CD instead but some people would swear it sounds better the other way. We'll take a look at the quality soon but believe me it is far superior to emulation. There's many different graphical quirks that you would normally see in NES games that aren't present emulators that the AVS replicates perfectly and you'll see that soon. Now moving on to the EverDrive N8. The EverDrive N8 is a fantastic flash cartridge by Cricks. This review model is from Stone Age Gamer. They allow you to choose a different color and label combinations. It uses a standard SD card to store ROMs onto so you could have every single NES game that ever existed on one cartridge which is quite amazing. The EverDrive N8 even has some really great features including save states, cheat codes and more. There is no better flash card maker on the market than Cricks and I'm sure the EverDrive N8 will prove to be the best one out there. Together these two provide the best NES experience ever in my opinion. So here's the package for the Retro USB AVS and as you can see it's got everything on it. On the side it says AVS has the picture, Retro USB, that one same same deal on the other side and on the back there's a little diagram of the console itself. 720p it outputs in, it has the PAL output, NES, Famicom slots, so it has both of them. There's an expansion port, HDMI to the USB port also. So yeah it's got it's got everything built into it. Player NES carts an amazing HD. So let's open this up. Alright so slide this open now. Very carefully. Alright here we go and as you can see it you can already tell that it has the proper NES colors right out of the box. Look at that gray. So first we'll look at all the parts that come with it. It comes with an HDMI cable, looks good and it comes with a USB cable right here that will help power the console on. That's nice and this must be the plug, the adapter. Alright so it comes with this as well. So yeah it has everything you need just to get started. The AVS. Alright now let's take the AVS itself out of the box. Oops okay yeah pulling this out to take a closer look. It's very tightly packed. Okay there we go. Oh something down there also. So here's the AVS. As you can see we'll set that aside. I just want to take a look at this little booklet that comes with it real quick. And yeah as the diagram is kind of boring though. I'll just set that aside now. Not bad. So it really does look like an NES from around the corners and everything. They managed to get very close without you know infringing on any sort of copyright. It looks like an NES in a lot of ways but it still kind of has its own identity as a device and it has even the same kind of buttons they click. It's very nice looking and it feels very nice and sturdy. It feels like very very high quality plastic and everything. And it has a little flap right here which is where the NES cartridge would be going into. And that right there is the Famicom cartridge port because they're a little bit different. So this part is where you put a Famicom cartridge into and yeah that'd be nice if you had one. So if you have Japanese NES games and you could play those on here as well which is very nice. I have to say close that. And it doesn't really click it just kind of shuts you know. So moving on to the Everdrive N8. This is the package I got from Stone Age Gamer. It's a very nice deluxe package. This is the slightly more expensive option that comes with a nice case like a VHS case that protects the cartridge and everything and it's really nice I gotta say. This is a this is a very nice item the Everdrive. This is the best NES cartridge you can possibly get. It has a nice gold sticker on the back to show that it's a Crix certified product. Crix is the manufacturer who created the Everdrive. He's very talented at what he does. So developing Ukraine Deluxe Edition. This is the deluxe edition of the N8. So let's crack this thing open and take a look inside. The one I got is the peppermint color. This is the peppermint Everdrive N8. It looks really nice. I really like the way this looks.  Now let's pull some of these out. So there's the Stone Age Gamer. It's a magnet it looks like. Fridge magnet. Looks like an NES controller. The deluxe edition comes with all these little goodies that comes with it. So gaming devolved. I really like this website a lot Stone Age Gamer. They've always provided good quality products and all that. Jackson. So that's his card. It looks like a little NES controller. This right here looks to be a troubleshooting guide. I don't think we'll have any much issue with that but there it is if you want to see it. If you want to see what you're getting into. All right well we'll set that aside. I'm just gonna pull this out. The Everdrive N8. Oh look at that. That's cool. Little stickers for the NES controller. That's cool. If you have an NES controller you can slap that around on your controller. That's really neat. I didn't realize I was gonna come with that. Well I happen to have an NES controller. Maybe we'll put that on later on. See that's a nice little bonus they gave us. Moving on. This is all stuff that comes with the Deluxe package and that's another sticker it looks like. Could slap that around on your AVS. Show that you're rocking an Everdrive. So the basic controls and everything it's all laid out here. B, A. Because there's a system menu actually. It doesn't just boot into the cartridge. There actually is a little menu and we'll take a look at that closer. So it's nice that there's um that there's a little guide that goes with the Everdrive. Everdrive 64, SD2SNES. I need to get that stuff. I need to get that SD2SNES. I really want that badly. So yeah that's a nice little pamphlet. A little booklet. Set that aside and pull this out. Looks like an sticker. I only get it out of the box. It looks like their caveman mascot. Well I'll just show it to you like this. Looks like a sticker of him. Stone Age Gamer of course. I'll just slide all that stuff back in now. Toss all the little stickers back in. Troubleshooting guide. It's a nice box too. It's a nice protective case and it fits the cartridge perfectly. I might want to get a couple of these from my other NES games to be honest because these are really nice. Alright slide that in there and pop this Everdrive out and take a closer look at it. The Everdrive NH. Just gonna close that and set it aside. Now the peppermint color looks really nice. It looks really... this is the best color in my opinion. I could have gotten any kind of color I wanted. You can choose in like mix and match. And the contacts of course look clean. It is a brand new cartridge after all. Everything looks nice. Everdrive NH. It says that in the corner if you look through it at the board. And got Crick's sticker on the back. This very much it feels good. It feels sturdy. It's like a very high-end product. You're not... they're not messing around with Crick's in these guys. They're making very high-quality NES products for you. So I have to say I'm very pleased with what I've got so far. Set that right there. That's a great little... great little device. Great little piece for the collection. So the Everdrive NH. I just want to show you on the side. They have an... this thing runs on an SD card. So all the ROMs you actually load onto an SD card for the Everdrive NH. That's how it works essentially. Now mine didn't really come with one but you can ask for one to come with the case as well. And you have to kind of pick and choose the right kind of card because to make sure it works properly. So anyway, inserting the Everdrive NH into the ABS it goes in just like that. You have to let it click in. And it just closes right over. It fits perfectly. There's not really much more to be said. So yeah, this has to be the best... the best sort of setup I can think of. There is what would be your NES controller. This is a real NES controller from the 90s and 80s that you would actually use on a real NES. And it works perfectly. And as you can see the SD card I've inserted has a bunch of ROMs built into it. And you got to kind of pick a small SD card. Don't pick something too big. Otherwise it won't work.  And as we'd power it on we can take a look at how it runs and everything. So let's turn this power this on and let's jump right in and play the Retro USB ABS. Here we are at the Retro USB ABS's menu. And as you can see this is the menu that pops up the first time you boot up the console and there's several different things to choose from. The first thing we'll take a look at it here is cheat codes. There's different kinds of game genie codes you can input here. Of course we wouldn't be using this with the EverDrive because EverDrive actually has its own cheat codes built in. So we'll exit from there. Input options. So you can actually assign menu buttons here. You can assign different kinds of hotkeys. There's a turbo option, auto play. It's very cool stuff. You can check that out as well. It's interesting that they added that as well. They didn't just stop making this emulation console. So when we go to picture settings there's different video modes. We're going to choose NTSC obviously because we're here in America. Pixel aspect ratio is one I would recommend checking out. You want to get a 4-3 aspect ratio to get the original NES experience which would be somewhere in between this setting and this one right here. So between these two would be kind of ideal for 4-3 aspect ratio. To be honest though the best ways to put it all the way out and to go into your TV settings to actually change it down to a 4-3 aspect ratio. This will give you a perfect NES screen. This is the way it is meant to be played the NES experience. This is perfect 4-3 aspect ratio taking a fully wide screen picture and compressing it downwards which I would recommend doing if you can with your TV. So we'll just set it down to, we'll set it down to where we had it before. So like around here and you can also change the vertical borders. This gets rid of, this gets rid of a little text garbage on the screen. If that pops up there's a lot of customization in this console which is really nice because you can kind of tailor it to the way your TV is and the way you want to play NES games.  There's also a scan line option and this scan line really just gives you a bunch of vertical lines and going left and right changes how dark and how light they are, how noticeable it is. And the left side also gets more of the more graphical garbage. Now extra sprites is interesting. Generally on NES when you use extra sprites there's a little bit of flickering. By turning it off you actually get rid of that flickering effect which is nice and we'll take a look at that in a second as well. So going in, this is the EverDrive menu. This is the menu for the EverDrive cartridge, the green one that I just showed you. We're going to go into the N8 PowerPack. This is a ROM pack I got from the internet and as you can see I have everything sorted neatly into folders. On this you actually press B to select and A to go back which is a little bit confusing at first. It's going to be a little strange doing that because usually A is selecting and all that. So we'll go to some US games in the first folder of course. The first folder is or we'll do the third one. I want to show you a game actually. It begins with the letter R. It's called River City Ransom. Alright so we're starting this game, River City Ransom. It's a game by Techno Japan and it's pretty good. So it's a beat-em-up game. Press start and I'm going to show you how good this game looks on the ABS. So fast of course as a speed. So let's see. I've held your city captive and Ryan's girlfriend hostage with my gangs of students and evil bosses. So a student is holding the entire city captive. How's that? Where are the police? What are they doing? So the evil bosses meet my demands, all that stuff. Alex and Ryan if you interfere you'll be in for a fight of your lives. Wait a minute, that's Slick. So Slick has Alex, Ryan's girlfriend or whatever. I don't even know. Anyway so this is like a game about like gang wars between high school students.  Like come on, come on.  Like grab this.  Get money.   So these guys just keep coming out of nowhere and of course they're so smart they can pick up items and they can actually use it to hit you with. And they all kind of look different and they all have different names. You see they bar, Terry and Perry. They all like names that rhyme. So these guys, what are their names? Carrie. They all like rhyming names, you notice that? Anyway it looks good so far. I gotta say it's so it's very smooth. This is 60 frames per second right now. It is really responsive. I'm using a real NES controller. It is instantly responsive. As soon as I hit the button the input works. It just, there's no lag whatsoever. It just, it's a very good experience. And that's not bad.  So I want to show you one feature the Everdrive N8 has. So it has a quick save feature. And it is a, you can assign the buttons on the main menu. So essentially what I do is, I made it to, if you press A and B it saves. A quick save. So I'm going to press A and B right now together. There, that's a quick save. It's really, really easy. So I leave, right? And to load the quick save I made it so that if you press start and select that loads the quick save.  And I press start and select it pushes me back here. So you can, you can just keep starting, you can keep on reloading over and over again. And you can make a new save somewhere else and it'll work like that again. It's a really, really neat feature.  And you can use it, you can use people as weapons in this game. Is that crazy? So yeah, this is a great game. It runs really well in the AVS. Couldn't be happier with the way this looks. Let's try some other games out. So to go back to the main menu, all you actually do is just tap the reset button. So just tap the reset button and there I am back at the main menu. What are good games there? Let's try Ninja Gaiden out. So I'm gonna go to Ninja Gaiden. Of course, Ninja Gaiden 1 obviously. You start and select. You just press B and it works so well. The AVS is so cool because it first of all plays these games in HD and then you have the EverDrive that goes with it. And the EverDrive lets you load all your NES games onto one cartridge. Which is really nice. So as you can see, this is the smoothest Ninja Gaiden experience I've ever had. This is so nice because this game requires so much precision and timing that you basically need to have something like this. Like you see this right here? And of course the... look how smooth it is. This is exactly what I've always wanted to play in Ninja Gaiden. 6GFPS is completely responsive controls and it just runs so well. And like, yeah, I could not have asked for a better experience. So there's Ninja Gaiden first level.  Check out that cool weapon I got. You have to keep jumping over in order for it to work. That guy, I already knew that guy was coming and keep moving. I don't think I got hit even once. Alright, here's the first boss. Alright, nice, beat him. And there's a little bit of flickering because I didn't turn on the extra sprites so it's gonna look like that a little bit. So yeah, that's Ninja Gaiden. That's not too bad. Not too shabby. And of course here's the cutscene for Ninja Gaiden. Who are they? Who's there? I really like the sprite work of these cutscenes. Just a woman or just a girl. Get out of here. Oh no, she has a gun! She has a gun! Did she shoot him? Alright, we'll find out next time. Can I reset? Pop back to the main menu? I don't know. I get sucked into that kind of game. So because I went back to the main menu because I want to show you one last thing before we leave. So the AVS, as you're aware, the AVS has a cheat code option.  And we're using an Everdrive N8, which is its own Flash cartridge that has its own games in it. So that's kind of things not going to work. But luckily the N8 has its own cheat function built in. So we're going to take a look at that. To do this you have to press B, right? You press select only. You want to press select only.  So here is the cheat menu for the Everdrive N8. And the way it works is you need to go on Google and find out what the cheat code is and what the cheat code does. So the first line is going to be its own cheat. What I do is I got this one from Google. This is a Dragon Warrior 3, Dragon Quest 3 cheat code that allows you to have unlimited HP, which would come in very handy and make the game very, very not fun but very fun at the same time. I don't know how to explain it. So this is the cheat code if you want to know. SZ's last one there. And cheats are enabled as you can see and we just press A and we're out. So then in order to select this with the cheat codes you want to press start. And pressing start will bring us to the game. Here's Dragon Warrior 3. All its gloriousness, the intro. And as you can see it looks great, it looks awesome. Dragon Warrior 3 pressing start. So the sound I have to say about the AVS is that the sound in AVS sounds so good. It's not piercing, it just it is so warm on your ears. It sounds so nice you know. Like listen to this, this sounds really nice. And there's the mom of course. It's a very big day for the hero. He has to get up and go unsupervised around the world. Before we should check out the cheat code we gotta go talk to the king because they force you to do that. Well after we talk to the king we're gonna run outside the city and see if the enemies can hurt us. I'll show you how the cheats work in action. You don't have to do anything to act for the cheats, they just they just work like that. All right here I'll go straight to the castle. Thanks mom. All right I'm going to the castle. And as you can see everything looks really nice. It looks nice, the graphics are great, it sounds great. This is the best way to play NES games if you ask me. This is, there's no other way. Or here's the king. Yep this is uh all right so the Baramos is the enemy. I know all this stuff. This is one of, this is probably my favorite NES game ever. This game holds up so well. It looks good, sounds good. Everything about it is fantastic and it's scrolling well. There's no screen tearing. Everything about it is so perfect. This device you know it captured the NES the way it's meant to be played. This is how probably how people played it back in the 80s. Amicom. So anyway we now have left that old guy. We're gonna head off into the world and see how much damage we take from enemies. All right there we go the overworld. Great music. There's seven slimes that appeared. Ready to attack me. Let's try our best. Oh I killed one. Now he hit me and you see that my HP is not going down. That means that the cheat code worked. So I can basically just, I can beat all these guys and it'll be super easy. They're already attacking me and it's not doing anything. Boom. Attack them one more time. So it's not doing any damage whatsoever. It's saying I'm unhurt. Let's see. I did one damage but it actually did no damage. So yeah the cheat option in the ABS is, not in the ABS but in the N8. Works perfectly. It works just as well as I want to.  And if you ask me, so far this is probably the best way to play the original Dragon Quest trilogy. Possibly. Like this, if you want to go the extra mile, you could obviously play the other Switch versions, I just came out with. If you want to go the extra mile, no way beats this, this, this way. So let's just finish these guys off. Just why not? It just takes how long these fights, if you're doing it alone. I'd probably just stop out of boredom. Alright, one more guy left. And as you can see I'm completely unhurt. I defeated Slime. I leveled up. Nice. That's not bad. Neespell. Well, hit the reset button now just to go back. You saw how the cheat codes work. So basically this is honestly the best way to play NES games. This is hands down. Obviously you could get an NES classic, you could get a Super Nintendo classic, something like that. But it's not going to be FPGA as accurate as this with all the little graphical glitches, all the little quirks that an NES is supposed to have. This is as close to a real NES experience as you can get. And look at all, and the, of course, it's not just the ABS, that's the good part here. It's also the EverDrive. The EverDrive has all these crazy games.  I've not, you could fit every single NES game that exists on one little SD card. This is all of them. It's crazy. I can like just go through all of them. These are, this is all of them. It's insane. I could, uh, what are NES games? I mean, it's just, there's everything here. Look at this. Just play that, right? So yeah, the EverDrive, N-Age, and the Retro USB ABS, it's the best combination for the best way to play NES games. I mean, what else could I say? So yeah, I hope you enjoyed this little review of the Retro USB ABS and the EverDrive N8. I want to thank Stone Age Gamer for hooking me up with the, with the N8. It's a very nice of them to discount it for me, for this review, and it was, it's just a great device, and I'm very happy with both of them. I think it was well worth the money. I think it was a great device overall, and I will be playing this, I will be covering most NES games with this for now on. It's going to be a very important part of my collection. So yeah, thanks for watching, and I'll see you guys next time.


Fido, were you in the prison with Socrates on the day he drank the poison, or did you hear about it from someone else? I was there, Achaquities. What did he say in his final hours? How did he die? I'd like to find out about it. Now, we heard that he died by drinking poison, but nobody knew anything more than that. No Flesian ever goes to Athens. It's been a long time since any Athenian has come to Flius. You did not hear about the trial and the accusations? Someone told us about the trial, but we were surprised that even though Socrates had been condemned, he was not executed until much later. What was the reason for that, Fido? It happened by chance, Achaquities. Just the day before Socrates' trial began, they crowned the stern of the ship the Athenians sent to Delos. Which ship? The ship in which the Athenians say Thesias sailed to Crete, when he took fourteen young people, seven males and seven females, with him, and then saved their lives as well as his own. They had vowed to Apollo that if they were saved, they would make an annual pilgrimage to Delos. This custom still continues, so the entire time of the voyage to and from Delos is a holy season. During that period, public executions are forbidden so that the city will remain pure. If the ship is detained by an unfavorable wind, the trip may take a long time. As I was saying, the pilgrimage begins when the priest of Apollo crowns the stern of the ship, and this happened on the day before the trial. That is why Socrates had to spend time in prison and was not put to death until long after he was sentenced. Tell us about his death, Fido. What was said and done? Which of his friends were there, or did the authorities forbid them to be present? Did he die alone? Not at all. Actually, quite a few of his friends were with him. Try to give us a complete account of what happened, unless you have something else you must do. I have plenty of time, so I will try to tell you everything about it. Nothing pleases me more than to remember Socrates, whether I am talking about him myself or listening to someone else speak about him. Your listeners feel the same way, Fido. So please, tell us everything as fully and accurately as you can. I felt quite strange being at his side, Achecretes. I could hardly believe that I was present at the death of a close friend, and yet did not feel sorry for him. His behavior and his words were so noble and fearless that he appeared to be happy at the end of his life. I felt he was going to Hades by divine providence, and that when he arrived he would do well, if anyone ever does well there. That is why I did not pity him, as would seem natural at such a time. Nor did all of us feel the joy we usually experienced whenever we talked about a philosophical topic of such a kind. I felt a strange mixture of both pleasure and pain, knowing that Socrates was about to die. Everyone there shared that feeling, sometimes laughing and sometimes crying, especially Apollodorus. You know the sort of person he is. Yes, I do. He was quite overwhelmed. All of us were deeply moved. Who else was there? Among the native Athenians were Apollodorus, as I mentioned, and Cretabulus, together with his father, Crito. Also Hermogenes, Epigenes, and Iscenees, and Tisthenes. Then there was Tisipus, from the Deme of Panea, and Menexenus, and... Sample complete. Ready to continue?