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Thank you very much to welcome me on your podcast. Thanks for coming on man, we're in prison all around the world.  Yeah I was quite worried you know I was quite worried because you're Scottish and you know and you have this strong Scottish accent and I was saying to myself we understand you know the conversation with him because I had a story back in the days I was living in England you know in London. I was really young and I was looking for a job and I had a job interview and the guy who was interviewing me for the job a Scottish guy you know so everything gonna happen well and I have a stronger French accent and then he asked me a question he said you know you have a very strong French accent maybe the clients you know will not really understand you and I told him I didn't tell him you're taking the piece but I told him I told him but aren't you Scottish? I said even English people don't understand you. Even Scottish people don't understand you. So I told him like this it was funny he didn't employ me. Before we get into everything I always like to go back to the start of my guess.  I'm over 40 okay I've grown up in Paris in west of Paris you know I'm from a North African background I'm a Algerian and Tunisian I'm French very proud to be French also and I grew up in the 80s you know in west of Paris I wouldn't say from from a very I would say poor family you know kind of because it wasn't that easy you know when we were young even we had the fridge empty I don't want to cry or something but it was the life you know as a North African immigrant my parents they were working well my dad was working hard God bless his soul and that's it really so growing in Paris west of Paris in some area you know that was infested by heroin you know so in my childhood the things that I knew about drugs was the needles on the floor the spoons you know because they burned the spoons to mix it with the drug and the lemon so that was my environment but I was well raised I would say I was well raised by my mom you know she was pushing me to study you know my parents my parents they were very hard worker very honest extremely honest they never steal they never lied like extremely honest and me you know what happened I was the black sheep of the family what were you like at school I had my A level you know A level I think we said this in English I had my A level in accounting then I went to university to learn Japanese because I love the Japanese culture I've always been interesting about this culture this culture and also I love the Japanese girl so it was easy for me to chat up some girls also I was I was as we say a japa sen a japa sen is those guy jeans you know those four liners that love Japanese girls so I had my chapter plans it was working quite well but I was young at the time so now you know I have my girlfriend so everything is all right what was your first ever job my first job my first job I love when I was young when I was young when I was around 11 12 years old I start to work you know in the on the market I was selling to have some pocket money to sell vegetables and fruits you know in the market understands so that's what that was my first connection with business you know his work with business so that was my first jobs so I work in all the different companies also when I was young I worked for a global company and I didn't have any experience so I came I had I remember I had this interview it was a three-stage interview with that big company selling some internet platforms communication platform it was a communication platform and I remember I came with a Oswalbo tank purple suit you know a nice watch and the guy you know I just come and chat him up I chat you know I make my you know my talk and he invite me a second time he invite me a third time and they employ me he told me either you got you have no experience in this business either you're gonna be very successful either you're gonna be like a big mess and after three weeks in the company I signed the one million pound contract and after that I never I had my commission and I never came again and they sucked me they gave me three months salary my commission you know upfront and my commission and tell me please can you live what was Paris like in the 80s? Paris in the 80s where I grew up you know it was run by the communists you know the communist party it was and it was like industrial right so it wasn't really really really nice it was infested by heroin at this time you know I met I've seen a lot of those you know these OGs you know dying by overdose so I faced that you know I knew what was it it wasn't I would say it wasn't it was difficult it wasn't difficult in some ways because we have received a good education from the parents you know we've been rail raised by your parents you know they gave us the values you know the respect of other people the respect for each other the respect for the eldest also so I grown up in those values you know plus also I would say I'm a Muslim and I received also the Muslims values you know of respect of love you know of sharing of giving you know so so how does a man who's had a good good upbringing Muslim man who thinks he's got good beliefs and understanding of life become a drug dealer but I wasn't really uh well yes drug dealer you're right but you know because I was seeing my guys my friends from the hood you know dressed up with nice jeans with nice Nike shoes you know like you know looking good and I want to to look good and my mother she couldn't buy me all this Adidas and Nike shoes so I had to get it myself so how I started is very simple you know I was working already on the market making a little bit of franc money you know it was a currency the franc at this time before euro and now I wanted more I wanted more I wanted also that type of life the respect know a lot of people those connections you know you have this type of fantasy you know about this kind of underworld you understand so yes I start to sell hash Moroccan hash at the beginning so I bought a little and I had next to my house a camping site you know camping site and I was sitting in the camping and I was selling hash to the tourists you know so that's how I started and then a little story when I was in prison as a childhood friend of mine I was not going back from I was extracted to go to the court and then it was there's a waiting room in the prison and then I've seen an old friend of mine you know and he said me hey Danny hey I didn't know why are you gonna say I'm going to court he said oh see are you in prison he said yes they caught me for whatever he said do you remember Danny you all put us sorry again you all put us in the drugs you know so because I was selling to everyone and everyone started to smoke started to cook I was the first in my neighborhood to bring cocaine and I sell it you know like those tickets and also that's it I'm not proud about this and again I'm here I don't do the promotion of the drugs because drugs and especially cocaine is bad is bad for the society is bad for health it destroys family also so I'm not here I'm just here to tell a story yeah I think people know my podcast now we're not here to glorify yeah but as your story my first French guest as well so I've seen your videos Danny's Hell's Kitchen where you're cooking in prison and stuff it's amazing but it's not amazing if you're not I mean but it's still good that you're still getting videos out there but when you how much hash did you buy at the start the first time I bought 125 grams which is a few ounces like five ounces or something like that you know so I started like this and then I started with one kilo and then I started to travel around France to the to the beach on west of France and I was sitting in the beach and selling to everyone on the beach you know cutting like this you know by uh two grams five grams 25 grams and selling on the beach I was doing this and I was traveling from Paris to those places in west of France with my one of my two best friends and we used to live like for two weeks three weeks and my and we were young so we have to call the parents so I was calling sometimes my mom she told me where are you where are you I say I used to lie to her I tell her I'm on the beach selling some drugs and I was very jealous of my friend because he could go for one month you know at 15 years old and not even call his parents you didn't even care about this you know and when I came and when I came back I used to receive a real big beat up you know I used to be beat up beaten up it was my fault also you know because I brought a lot of stress for my parents you know for my dad for my mom I did bring brought a lot of stress I'm not worried about it but that was my my life that was my destiny you know this is this is what I've done sometimes you know I say I should have studied more maybe you know I would have taken another way but this is that was my my story you know my the way that I that I that I chose of life how does that make you feel where you're bringing stress to your mom and dad you don't feel nothing man you know when the cops come and bang your how bang your door you know you just think about how you're gonna get out of this shit so you don't really feel nothing just your mom you know my parents are my parents are very honest people you know and it's a shame for them you know because the neighbors they see that you know police banging on the floor it wasn't the first time it happened few times though now it's they are not proud that they are very shameful you know but so what can you do man this is how it is this is how it is when was the first time you went to prison the first time I went to prison it was in 2000 in 2002 I was very young I was doing some fraud business so I got arrested for fraud business the second time it was not too long ago not too long after same thing and then I got arrested also I've done it I've been in prison in England in London in a really shitty prison I don't know if I have to say the the prison but it's an old prison in London so I've been there just few weeks and it was a shock to be honest because I never been in an English prison it was quite a shock you know but I discovered that here in the British prison system for example for the food you can choose your your food for example if you are Muslim you can have halal food if you Jew you can have like a kosher vegetarian for the Indians while in France there is not there's a lot of Muslim people in prison you know from african background north african background and unfortunately we they don't give us the choice to choose halal food for example you know so yes I've been in England in prison and I remember they brought me to that sea wing you know and they put me with this white guy but you know we call them here white trash guy you know like completely fucked up drug addict and and nighttime he used to have epileptic fits and that day I remember I was talking with the guy from the next next cell to me and he was saying yeah you know if someone dies in your cell they let you go because you get traumatized I said no it exists it's a it's a old law you know it's very old law it was back in 2007 and that night this guy had epilepsy he was sleeping on the top bench I was sleeping on the lower bench and I see him become blue I think he was swallowing his tongue you know and I start and I say what I'm doing what I'm doing sure like culture that alcohol but I have I have heart you know so I bang on the on the door yeah screws come bam bam bam they they come but instead of Calhoun because he was doing having fits they put him they say come down the bench come down the bench and then he couldn't he has he has a epileptic fit you know just help him you know put him on safe position and they take him bam they put him on the floor they beat him blood everywhere you know and I never saw him again after a few days they bring me a Jewish guy 62 years old from Israel and this guy when he's fine he says himself in prison very educated guy he has a with the business for pharmaceutical with business in Israel and he wanted to expand his business he asked a British bank to give him a loan the British bank refused to give him a loan so he got upset he took a plane uh Israel London London he goes to his house his taxes too big Rod Weiler he goes to his banker and he throw the Rod Weiler on his banker and he finds himself in prison he threw Rod Weiler yeah the dog yeah dogs I've got a Rod Weiler all right two yeah two big dogs he they attacked his banker with two big dogs you know crazy so yes this I was also in the Caribbean in prison also um what was it like for a French man in London prison did you get any hassle no I didn't have any I met some guys that I knew from the streets in London no no no no I didn't have any problems to be honest because I keep myself for myself you know I don't mix with other people that I don't know it's better I was in shock because when I arrived you know I arrived they told me take off your clothes they gave me that this dirty all fucked up track suit great track suit they gave me shoes they gave me underwear they gave me socks but really fucked up so I was wearing this the food the food wasn't great but it's okay I was passionate you know I was young at this time and I didn't stay long I stayed a few weeks so and then I left it was for fraud also so well it was the time it was time but I was in prison in France with some English guys you know and they will never change prison in France for prison in UK why because the conditions in France are better I also the conditions in France are better you get better food you can you can smuggle things much easier in the in the in the French prison we don't you don't have the cigarette ban because you have the cigarette bands in the the the English prisons you know now a pack of burns can cost up to 500 pound some people told me 250 500 pound where in France you can smoke anywhere because if they ban you from smoking the prison will burn really this will be so dangerous people will be stressed already we had this problem you know during the covid time because they stopped all the visits so people couldn't bring the hash or the weed into the jail because we didn't have any weed but it was really dangerous you know people were shaking they didn't have their drugs you know so I think it's a stupid law I'm not gonna judge what they say what they do the the British but it's not very smart because it makes people more nervous it makes it develop you know the black market you know it's not really really smart to do that but I think they do that because of the public you know the public the people the voters you know because people most of the people that they don't know what is prison life they say yeah they deserve it they should have nothing but they don't understand that sometimes you know when you when you give too much you know when you how can I say that in English when you when you give too much ban you ban too much stuff in prison you know you don't give them a little bit of room to breathe people get much worse when they get out why do the French love smoking but because we have for example Morocco they love what is one is one of the biggest markets in the hash in the hash consumption in France you know 60 million people you know big market they love smoking because we have this connection with Morocco it was an ex-French colony Morocco is the number one producer of hash in the world and we have a lot of people like me from a moroccan background like millions of us you know north african we are like the mexicans of in america we like the mexicans but french version so for certain bits of hash few grams of coke fraud when did you move up to do the bigger bits because you're a diner as well yeah I explain you I always love I'm you know I grown up also in North Africa by on the coasts you know so I'm a Mediterranean guy so I love to swim you know I swim since I'm a little kid I love diving I love fishing you know that's something that I love boats also and I was hanging from the early 2000s I was hanging in the Caribbean already the French Caribbean and I can say it now I was bringing hash you know on me because back in the days it was easy to bring hash by plane to the Caribbean I was bringing hash on me and take it to the French Caribbean and exchanges for cocaine and back in the days one kilo of hash was four kilos of cocaine you know and then bring the cocaine from the the western this to Europe this is what I was doing back in the days when I was young in the early 2000 just after 9 11 and and yeah I had this expertise then you know I was hanging in the Caribbean one day you know I was in prison with some people from Panama very nice guys you know that I helped very much when I was banged up with them and they contact me and they say okay Danny have this you know I try to send some coke to Europe you know I had one say I had 50 50 kilos it got stopped it got you know seized by the customs another one tells me I had 100 kilos I don't know how I'm gonna send it so an attempt these solutions let's do the narco torpedo because one day you know I was on internet and I was checking this narco torpedo you know those Mexicans or those Peruvians are back in the day so the guys from Peru they used to build like a cylinder you know like a torpedo shape you know fill it up with cocaine and attach it under the container boats and I say it's very easy business let's try it it's not that easy but I tried it I experimented it you know and I started like this you know first I do I did it empty you know I started few time I went diving first I started to dive to see how it how it looks like under a container boat because I never been on the container but it's a huge boat you know to see where I'm gonna attach it then I've been thinking which type of cable how can I attach it you know the weight of the tarco torpedoes so it's a long long long long story very long and it started like this can you help me to bring the cocaine from the west indies to to Europe France in particular particularly to France and I said it is this way the first time the first time I would say I filled up a cylinder I built a cylinder you know like a torpedo shape filled up with 50 40 kilos put it attach it but I didn't attach it well it got lost in sea you know so it put me in some some troubles you know I was a bit worried but you will have another chance and then I said you know when you dive with it is too when you are in the water nothing is heavy when you have like a almost two meters long torpedo you know that weight more than 100 kilos plus 40 kilos in it which almost 150 kilos you know it's very difficult to manipulate it so I was hanging in north of France and those companies that build fishnet you know fishnets for you know fishing and I found the fishnet and I was talking with them can you build me a fishnet that way etc and I built after a fishnet I put the cocaine in a plastic bag sealed you know sealed air sealed you know and I use a product called super ever dry you put it on the anything and it's it's how do you say how do you sorry for my English um it's um it doesn't make the water comes in you know so this product to protect from the water put it in the in the fishnet attach it very well I built some cables special cables that I built in another country with a with a breaking breaking pressure very high of a few tons so you cannot break it easily I dive I attach them around me I dive with someone else of course I cannot do that with the bag full of coke go night time on uh when the when the the container boat and I know which container boat will come from for example Martinique I've got the loop to a port in France because there is a special software it's they track vessel trackers so you know where they come you know where they live you know where they stop you know everything about the the vessel I attach it at the right time just before it goes you know just before it goes I attach it the right time you know with some special attach that I bought I cannot give all the details but it doesn't work anymore this business I'm going to tell you why and voila and voila it started it started like this voila I can say that it doesn't work anymore because it has been done so much now we will have all those technologies with those little uh uh submarine drones you know so the when it comes from a very hot country like for example the winica republic or a columbia or equator uh it's they stop the boat before arriving to the port they sent instead of sending divers they send this little drone to check you know down if nothing's is attached so it's not uh it's not a good business that no one can do it anymore you know it's it's too hot so they've got the technology now to go under the boat you see how hard so back then was it easier to it was easier yeah because it was really really few people that they were doing that you know very very few people and when you keep on doing the same business exactly when you keep on doing the same thing one day you get caught for sure and in France we were two teams you know it was a team before us they got caught one of the one guy even one of the guy got killed himself in prison because they gave him more than 10 years so he couldn't stand prison so he can he hanged himself which i will never do and uh and and us you know and us me they've been on our back is the french dea you know they are related to the ministry of internal affairs they are uh at this time they were very very corrupted policemen you know they were the dea for example the drug squad we are the drug squad police uh anywhere they are the one who brings the drug already even in englander it's well known you know in england it's well known police bring it because they get paid sometimes or they work with uh trafficants and those trafficants you know they tell them okay we may we let you work but you give us the people who you sell the drugs to it happens you know and this is what they did in france you know and i was saying to the judge i say yeah you accuse me of doing this and that but the guy the the head of the dea who did all the investigation he was already importing tons of cocaine and hashish from moroccan cocaine from uh south america so how can you believe a guy like this you know see when you are shipping the cocaine under the boat did anybody ever come on the boat when you had the gear under it i explained you i go there in the carabin i attach i do all my things i go to the port first near the port uh you know in the carabin where you have like what we call it mangrove you know the mangrove mangrove is the is the is the is the trees that you know those trees that grow into the water that grows into the salty water you know is trees like like a forest a little forest you know all the crabs there is a lot of crabs there is a lot of little animals who lives there you know so you go in the mangrove you stay with your gear you know the port is just in front of you with the boat they arrived already you know what time is going to go you have your little bag or your torpedo already you know and then i go i swim nighttime i swim with the compass you know and i have my sea scooter but sometimes i don't use sea scooters because it uh it fucked up the compass it's a little electromagnetic things that fucked up the compass so with the compass i know how to my direction i go under the boat i have a little light but the light are open it really the last the last moment just for a few seconds to attach the things you know and then i leave the boat goes to europe it takes seven days to goes to europe you know i take my flight in europe i set up at the team of few guys with few cars to check around you know if police don't wait for us in case you know i get in front of the sea i know the boat what time is going to arrive and when the boat arrives stop the engines i dive to extract the torpedo this is how it is but it happens so many stories man it happens once day i had to pick it up in in al jazeera's you know in spain but i couldn't even go and extract the the the torpedo so i took a car i drove to france but i had already the cops on my back and they stopped the boat they took it out you know they took out the boat you know from water and they found that thing so i started there i started to have them on my back and this is how they arrested me after so i was waiting for the boat i the boat arrived i i dived but it was nothing you know and with my guy i was pretty sure that the cops could take it and my guy he didn't even believe i don't know it got lost and this is impossible to understand you see so but the cop arrested the arrest the cop stopped it is there how much will you pay in a kilo i'll explain you uh for example you know the kilo because this is how it is you know for with serious people you know you buy it in the laboratory you know for with the you deal with the colombians you know you deal with the colombians but nowadays the colombians they don't produce in colombia anymore they produce indeed they produce in peru you know so you buy it in peru for between thousand and thousand five hundred dollars okay proper oh yeah a lot you have different type of cocaine you have the cocaine that is made with diesel you know petrol diesel petrol fuel fuel fuel yeah kerosene and a clean fuel kerosene fuel you know which is better than diesel and you have the top of the top with um eter the alcohol called eter you know this alcohol you know this fuel called eter this is the best of the best this is the most expensive one and it's very colorful like pinkish yellowish you know and you buy it for between thousand thousand five hundred in the peru then you have to get it out from peru okay to get it out it has to pass by ecuator ecuator it has to cross the panama canal and when you pass from the panama canal you know you don't do the torpedo from there torpedo you do it only from the west indies to france because it's the one way it's a direct way okay and from peru to panama canal is by container because people you can bribe them it's much easier so the price will rise so at the end when it arrives for example to europe it can go up to 10 000 euro you know from 1500 from 1000 to 10 000 you know and at the time at the time the price of cocaine was 30 000 euro up to 35 000 so it works it for some people but when you lose it you lose big you know so so you have to be very careful so i was in charge of checking the coke you know if it's the right product you know make sure that he arrived in panama make sure from panama that arrives in uh in the west indies and then from the west indies i was doing my job attach it you know manage all this stuff then take the plane go to europe and extract it in night time so you were putting the gear on the boat and say columbia bringing it to europe and then having to fly the gear also and i don't have to fly the gear when the gear comes to the west indies you know my role is to attach it under the container boat because you have a container comes to the west indies you take out because you know in those countries it's very it's very easy to bribe people you know they all corrupted you know for money everybody's corrupted you just take it out then i prepare it i prepare everything how i make it i put it in the torpedo then i'm in charge of attach to attach the torpedo under a container boat that will go from the west indies to europe you know what you think when you lose the 40 kilo i was a bit stressed to be honest you know i'm gonna get killed i'm not gonna get killed but the first time when you make a first mistake normally it happens to everyone you know people it happens this is not a problem but to the second time you know i can find myself shot multiple times and bury in some you know in some in some sewer what did you say when you lost it 40 kilo was that columbians no yeah yeah i wasn't very good friends of mine you know i'm i will not say i'm respected because you know i had a lot of people also in my life so we loved each other like brothers but no no i wasn't scared or nothing you know it that was that is a bit i was a bit stressed you know that's normal but no i was a bit unconscious you know i was a bit crazy guy back in the days man you know i was really crazy i didn't even know i didn't have the i wasn't i wasn't in some reality immature i wouldn't say immature but you know i mean just not fearless of the consequences yeah but so you know when you get into this type of business sometimes you don't feel you don't think about those consequences you know you know what is the consequences but you don't even think about that you just do it because it's you know you're you run behind the money you know you're you're you run behind the money so no no you are not i don't know man i've always been like this i've always been like this i don't care man i just do what i have to do uh the fear you there is no there is not there is no fear man you know there is no fear just do its work it's a work and when people talk could say yeah it's easy money it is not easy money there is a work behind it you know there is risks behind it you know and there is a big work it's not like imbizimone that comes from the sky you know it's really hard money to make it's big money but hard money but nowadays it's not worth it anymore you know why because uh the price uh you know the price of cocaine dropped uh significantly so if you uh if you bring on uh by containers or by plane you know people still got to do it by plane uh for example let's say 10 kilos just to make it easier uh it arrived uh and uh the total cost of your 10 kilos is maybe 10 000 pound let's say 10 000 pound and you sell it 20 22 000 you make only 10 or 12 000 profit it's not worth it yeah high risk yeah for this high risk uh how much you're gonna lose if you lose 10 10 10 kilos you lose 10 100 grand you know so no no it's uh it's for me it's not worth it anymore you know uh weed is a good business and it's getting uh it's getting uh legit you know weed hash it's really really good business with really good profits yeah but if they legalize that then everyone's fucked uh i don't think so because i'm so in europe i think they've been the next five years it'll be here in the u k yeah but if they legalize it you know people can get into it legally you know price will drop a little bit but not not significantly you know you do you produce good quality if you can if you can import the hash from morocco you're gonna make even more money you know i hope they legalize it you know fully but they will never give it to us and they will keep it they will keep it to them that's why the rex stay right exactly did you ever come across soft black hash yeah the uh yes yes that was the good stuff back me they my grandad used to smoke that but in england it's not the market for the moroccan hash not anymore the solid is done this weed there's a big money yeah maybe a little bit in uh north around livapool but uh with the spakistanis because the pakistanis they they have the hash there you know in pakistan they do this business already you know maybe with the pakistanis but not with the english people majority because people like sweet you know so it's a really huge business in uh in the you can you know how to work it so but myself you know i just want to tell that story i'm really away from the drug business it brought me too much stress you know it breaks also the the family links especially when you find yourself in prison you know so so i just want to work i just want to do my uh do my little life relax look after my son which is my priority now you know how long did you do for well i've done seven years well i tell you the story um i get arrested by uh the cops they came to my house and that that day i remember i wasn't sleeping in my house you know my apartment i was sleeping at my mom's place why uh because i was sleeping at my mom's place because yeah i had some uh i didn't sleep very well i had some heartburn and it was some medicine at my mom's place so i was uh around the uh five or six six o'clock in the morning i reached my mom's place you know where you snuffing yourself no i was drinking man i was drinking going parties and all this shit man you know so uh so yeah i had heartburns and uh i am at my mom's place and i hear bam you know the door and my mom she comes and i'm on my own the way she says what is this what is this i say it's the cops i tell her it's the cops and she gets mad you know she just insults me it's the cops and i run on the apartment you know with my underwear what have to do with i was looking for my passport and i was looking for my computer because i had everything on my computer how to track the vessels you know all my work you know and i was working and i find the the laptop i throw it by the balcony sure it goes in a little hole oh i was happy you know secure the the laptop is secured and looking for my passport everywhere i can't find it and then the cops say open the door open the door and i say i have two grenades if you bro if you open the door we're gonna all gonna blow up and then my mom she does me like this i'm gonna kill you like this i she was scared man you know what it's impressive you know when someone banged your door at 6 o'clock 30 in the morning anyway and then at the end you know i say okay open the door and they open the door i'm this i hope i get on the floor or guns on my head blah blah blah they check everywhere they don't find they don't find nothing they find my passport a little bit of money take me to prison and after three three or four months in jail yeah i get arrested again and they send me back to the office it's called the central office what did they charge you were first team i don't know uh they charge me for drug trafficking did they have much evidence yeah they had they had evidence yeah they had evidence they were on our back you know they were on my back they had evidence didn't have much wire taps were you getting surveillance then uh yeah had surveillance you know they were they were they knew where i was going you know that they um they put a GPS on my car they knew what i was doing they knew they didn't know much you know because sometimes they don't understand what i was doing you know i was moving a lot and uh and yes uh they had some communication with one of my friend the other diver you know this is what they had but they couldn't have much because at this time we were we were communicating communicating via a PGP do you know PGP yeah okay we are communicating by PGP those uh encrypted phones but not just like all those stupid peoples that they were buying PGPs from companies in Canada and in Holland where they don't even know the owners of this company i made sure that i set up my own servers my own network so this network was only for me and my people so we never had any problems with cops getting uh uh getting access to our servers you know because i was working with very very uh with a very trustable uh people in this game you know and uh yeah after three four months yeah four months in jail i get arrested again i arrive in their offices and they tell me oh Danny you are a star here you are our star say what's happening you say you know what we uh last year okay last year we we stopped the boat and in this boat it was a car you know because there is a there is a car and in this car sorry and in this car there is a they found 100 kilos and on this 100 kilos view DNA on it oh shit i knew what was the story and i said i have nothing to do with that it's probably a DNA transfer and what was the story exactly i was already in carabin trying to smuggle those cocaine that no narcotorpedo and one of my friends very very old friend of mine he was hanging there in the carabin and he had 100 kilos you know and he's telling me okay Danny i have 100 kilos i don't know what to do i already lost a lot uh helped me to bring it to europe i say okay there is an id buy a car but this idiot he's this idiot he bought a very cheap car and i told him what type of car he needs to buy those uh you know those car you do tuning you know those tuning car you know for competitions you know with all these gears the nice wheels those things you know those wings and etc i say buy a nice tuning car you know and subscribe to a competition of tuning competition in europe you know like this you have a purpose why you're taking your car to europe he didn't listen to me he bought a 1500 euros car and i say okay so i set up i tell him listen what you're gonna do you're gonna buy um at this time i had like a lot of equipment to track the the gear because when you buy something you know you need to put a tracker into your into your coke like this you know where it goes exactly someone can steal it you know if someone can steal it maybe you can go or no track it and go and get it back there's a lot of trust issues in this business you know you can trust no one yeah of course no one they all motherfuckers you know so so and i was always very careful i had the mask the gloves i was always cleaning you know nice with alcohol you know the my trackers and the trackers to to to have a long life like this i can i can call the tracker to ask you the question where are you and i can also enable the sound i can even hear people around you know in case something happened you need an extra battery litium extra battery so i did all the plugs and stuff and i left a little bit of DNA on the on the cable between the battery and the tracker this is how they are listening and they say you're the star blah blah blah who you're gonna tell us who you're working with who is this guy or who's those people that for the that own this hundred kilos and they told me listen we're gonna propose you a deal you know for the first time now koto pedo they didn't propose me any deals because i was fucked already it was proofs against me so they say you fucked we don't propose anything and the second one they didn't know anything and they want to propose me a deal and they told me okay danny do you like money of course i like money otherwise i'm not in this business here you like money but listen we're gonna make sure that you get five years for just for that we're gonna make sure that you get five years for that and after 18 months you will go you will make you free okay and we're gonna let you we're gonna give you a bit of money you can work or also do your business and if you have some friends okay that you like we protect them too okay uh but you tell us this yes and i told them okay couldn't trust you guys you know i am i am from algae and background my dad fought for the algae and independence you know i'm from uh i'm a son of a resistant blah blah blah we had some fun you know i didn't say man i cannot you know talk it's not impossible first of all i'm very proud the guy singing is very dangerous and you cannot you cannot trust them you know so and i'm not interested man they give me the time that they have to give me i do my time you know i do my gym i eat well and then i get out proud even though broke doesn't matter i'm gonna make myself again you know but uh but voila so what happened i had seven years for the narco torpedo story because it was my first drug offense like big drug offense because you know when i was uh when i was younger i did those uh the fraud stuff that might be for drug offense what's this so so seven years for that for the narco torpedo and i had five years for the for the dna yeah the dna one so together is 12 years but because it's the same offense can come yeah they concurred the sentences so it dropped to seven years to ten uh because it's concurred and the maximum uh as a first offense the maximum uh sentence they can put is 10 years okay so automatically drop to 10 years from 12 to 10 and then because of concurred the sentences normally the biggest it's the smallest and i fought for it you know i fought it took me three years to uh to drop from 10 years to eight years and i've done seven years out of eight years so i've done almost full you know why were you so hands-on no why are we not getting runners and other people working your operation why were you so involved is that trust uh so first of all you cannot put anyone around a lot of people around you okay you have to be a little team you know like this no one talks and no yeah trust man you can you know me they trust me people because they know who i am they know my family uh they know everything about me i'm very honest i have to say man you know i'm i'm very loyal you know and i'm very honest you know and i when it comes to business with people that i love i never lie i lie only with the motherfuckers and the liars it's true that's 99 percent of the fucking world then how did you end up making your connections in columbia connection man you know prison also friends i've been traveling a lot in my life you know so just friends connection you know love uh one day i'll tell you a story sorry one day i made the connection i wasn't on a beach in punta cana and i was having fun you know the holidays in punta cana and sorry and i met that beautiful girl gg you know beautiful green eyes you know we talk together blah blah blah and she tells me i say where you're from she tells me i'm from bolivia i say okay and what do you live in cocha bomba and do you remember in scarface the movie scarface when you go to see mr sozak kitchen bomba it's from cocha bomba and i say cocha bomba really and and say i'm half my dad is american and my mom she's uh she's uh uh uh uh bolivian i say okay but and we have a farm in cocha bomba and we make good at cheese you know the good at cheese from holland and we make good i say really i couldn't even believe it man good at cheese in the place where they produce all the coke the best coke in the world and i say okay i'm i'm coming next month and it's started like this and sometimes the connection you don't have to know people sometimes you have to go and you have to talk with people you know for example there is different ways also to uh to import the the gear you know you can do it uh via container you can do it by flight you know you can do it company to company and there is a shipment the shipment company sometimes you go in front of the shipment company and you wait and you observe you know and you look at the people you know you look at the people uh you look at the people that wearing the union t-shirt you know from the union of the company you know and you go and you talk to them simple as that sometimes it's very simple i need to recruit a diver you know about i go to internet i check the biggest company that uh that uh that employ the divers and there is the all the series of the old divers from that company you know the old employees and i go and i call them one by one you know hey how you doing i have a job in the carabin to do this that underwater job i would like to meet you it's paid 20 30 40k whatever you know i'd like to meet up with you this is how i recruit people sometimes you know so it's not that sometimes you don't need to know you don't need connection you go and get them how do you then build that sorry guys i'm big that's okay how do you then build that trust though with someone you've just met but how do you start the conversation as well that you want to be smuggle gear you never say uh first sorry too much cocaine bro no i didn't i swear i got cold i got the cold yeah i got the cold sorry guys now i don't do this shit i don't i don't i've been reading about uh about this time about you yeah i would i would have took it what for you bro yeah but you know sometimes you know bloody hell i should not say this shit but that's good so we went to all through it back in the day you know we entered it and you know i used to say you know i used to do i used to make lines uh paris marrakech you know and to to go from a line to another i used to walk to go from the beginning to the end i'll be back in a day we all had fun man you know fuck it mate i know they say don't get high your own supply but that's a myth but it's not healthy man you know of course it's not it fucks you a big time and you know what the way you feel now really i don't advise anyone to touch this shit man you know what it's not good but we had parties to be honest yeah of course what did you do if you had money um i gave it i gave it to the family i spent i was a big spender you know i spend uh and the rest is secret but yes i spent a lot you know that's it is but you know when you you need to be very clever you need to be smart they took also a lot of money there's a proceeds in france back then proceeds of crime what do you mean proceeds of crime so nowadays they can take your house yeah yeah of course they take everything for you your apartments your money they take your they stop your bank account they take everything you know and they will never give it to you back one day uh one day i got arrested for another story i'm going to tell you like this i got arrested and it came to my house the cops you know and they find watches they find shoes you know all brand new you know and they took my watches they took it for themselves and they were even trying the shoes in front of me now really they were trying my clothes in front of me i said take it take it and let me go they took me never you know and then and then i thought because i had for the watches for example i had all the invoices all the facture you know all the bills and i tried to get them back and when i went back to claim them because they were legit you know and then i found that i claimed the plastic uh watch watch watch they gave it to me back really instead of a bloody expensive watch because i've got friends all over who's well who were active but sometimes they used to do them for proceeds or take cash from their house or find a stash 240 grand 280 and only record that was like 160 or 170 they found no but they take everything first of all and they give you a fine of course yeah and the fine for myself for example is 300 000 to pay okay which i cannot pay okay another guy he has a million uh million euro fines and they give you really big fines so voila so what i'm gonna do i'm just working trying to you know yeah what was it like though when you were shipping all that gear 100 kilo and were you feeling at the top of your game were you feeling are we just the does the greed kick in no no no honestly honestly uh i don't feel anything for me it's normally it's a job you know i don't it doesn't get to my head uh i'm very humble you know and the people i'm hanging with uh even on the other side of the uh atlantic they are very humble people they are not show-off people they are very powerful also and very dangerous but no i come from a school uh school where you have to be humble you have to talk nice to people you have to respect people you know that's why guys likes me you know that's why people sometimes they call me to ask help that's why they share the the i'm the you know they share the uh uh i would say not the secrets but kind of the secrets with me you know so i'm into uh many confidences you know so people likes me because i don't ask question and then i'm i'm helpful simple as that was your life ever in danger uh i think so i think so yeah my life you know i could have died and all what i say uh what i say often i say uh rather be in prison than uh alive in prison than dead outside you know so yes yes i could have been killed uh i was not conscious of all of this i didn't give a shit man i was doing myself i was scared of no one i had the argument with very dangerous people you know and uh i don't know if i can say that no i would not say it but uh uh yeah my life was in danger you know when you lose when you lose big quantities of drugs that cost millions you know you need to they need someone's needs to pay for it you know but to me i paid with uh seven years full in prison you know and i kept my mouth shut you know and i didn't talk about no one you know even though the people they were still free and having the high life but because i kept my mouth shut you know uh my family got uh took care of i received money from my friends outside uh voila and uh you know i was respected and when i'm out you know everybody knows me danie if something happens he will keep his shut his mouth shut it's very important did you do you feel as if there's a because in the u k there's so many snitches what's it like in france so you know in the cocaine business in france or even here you know most of them are snitches yeah most especially the ones at the top yeah the ones at the top most of them because they they have the because money did depend there is there is real guys you know that they're gonna take the prison if they have to take even 30 years even life in prison but there is also guys that they don't have the guts they don't have the the the the the mind the you know the mind the power of the mind to do that a prison time you know there are pussies with their pussies you know simple as that and they're gonna snitch you know they're gonna snitch and they're gonna say tell this and that you know and put some other people and other families in the shit because they are not strong enough yeah the police know everything everything so when did you start to realize it was coming up did you realize it was coming on top or were you so caught up net you you think you have kind of you have game slept i love i'm gonna explain you one day i had a me i have an appointment with one of my friend in paris you know and we were taking the car and i see that motorbike you know just the next to us you know motorbike i said those ones are the cops those ones are the cops and i said to my friend you brought them to me and it's true he was watched already he was watched for other businesses and i had an appointment with sorry i had an appointment with him because i had to ship some equipment you know like diving equipment and all those fish nets that i build all this equipment to the carabin by posts you know so i had an appointment with him to bring me all of this you know and i'm in charge of the shipment with the hl to the carabin and he brought it he was watched already him for other businesses and he brought me the cop on my back and i said this is the cops this is the cops and since that day they never they followed me everywhere everywhere you know but they didn't know what i was really doing you know they didn't know because i kind of go out at midnight you know go and watch what's going on in the port you know so this it started like this then they uh they were hearing my conversation with my other friend the diver you know and hearing my conversation because i needed to do hire another diver you know so this is what and i called also the shipping the the vessel company because i didn't understand what was going on with the vessel i was tracking so they had those things but otherwise there was no one else they had no no thing with no one else you know and most of us got sentenced eight years ten years seven years uh without that much proof i would say you know because in france uh suspicions has the value of proof you understand what i mean so this is how it is so with no much proof so voila and uh for the for the dna normally the dna they gave me five years for the dna you know but not for drug trafficking for conspiracy because it's called in french association de malfaiteur so for conspiracy and voila so i did my time you know i set up sorry sorry i set up instagram pages you know i had fun i was eating well i was preparing my food and i started this instagram called daniel's kitchen that was make me kind of famous i would say you know and so on social media because as i used to say you know when you're alone you know in your cell you prepare a setup it's like kind of a therapy because jail it's not that easy to be honest you know the being the first 18 months is not easy and then after you get used it and it's normal but uh yeah i set up this because uh it was my therapy you know cooking in my prison cell and trying to make the best of it and this is how it started then vice contacted me then some some media contacted me and i've done a lot of interviews a lot of podcasts in the united state i've even done a podcast with uh i forgot her name to be honest you know she's uh immediately i think uh food behind bars that lady that has a charity and tried to uh to uh enhance and develop the quality of food in the prison system in the uk you know it's called food behind bars very nice young lady and voila i was doing all of this uh having fun on internet chatting up some girls because you know as i told you earlier it breaks the the family links prison you know and i told you my parents honest it was a shame for them also so i didn't have much visits you know i didn't have no visits you know and after a few months in prison i really need someone to come and visit me you know to wash my clothes to you know to do things for me which is normal and then i put my uh nice picture of me on uh dating uh a dating app you know like this like a little post you know i was uh on a holiday somewhere i didn't look that way before i had like a big beard to a golden chain long hair and uh and straight away a beautiful uh girl she's a french italian beautiful gorgeous like thick you know uh she contacted me and after after two three three weeks she came to visit me so you're and on so you're on a dating website in prison yeah you started speaking together when did you tell them that you were actually in prison at the beginning i wasn't telling her you know and at the end which she said yeah let's meet up let's meet up let's meet up i say i'm gonna be honest uh i don't want to say her name but uh god bless her uh she came to visit for for me three times a week for two and a half years what did she say when you told her you were in prison i don't know she no uh she said it's okay she's okay you know it's sexy sometimes you know it's sexy but believe me you know internet girls you know with jail with jail people from jail uh it's uh it doesn't end up very nice you know it's always you know like crazy girls even us we actually i don't put the blame only on the girls you know me also i'm very special also i would say and for two and a half years he came with me very nice girl and really really nice like really sexy and she used to come like super sexy at the visiting room you know and everybody was looking at her you know and everyone she used to bring me everything hash weed phones sandwich meat uh spices strawberries uh i can't even say so many stuff are you allowed to fork in a strange presence yeah you are love too far because you are in a little room you know and then she comes with her come with a long long long skirt you know long dress and then you sit on yourself one day you know she as i said to the podcast you know they say uh i said yeah i've been sucked so many times yeah i had sex yeah i had sex uh i had sex so many times uh it's nice but it's not only me it's most of us you know when the girlfriend comes there is some sexual relationship you know before they send you to the long term the long time prison because you're when you're waiting for your trial it can take you are on remand and you can be up to three four five years on remand without being trialed you know so i've been on remand for almost three and a half years three yeah more than three years you know at that time you're in a special prison where you cannot have like uh conjugal visits you know those visits you know you have the little apartments you can bring your wife or girlfriend she can even stay 24 hours with you in the prison but it's another thing this so yes there's the little rooms you know you start to sit on the corner there's two seats like this with a little table you can have some sexual relationship you know you can do whatever you want people the girls you know they put alcohols in the little bottle people drinks me i don't do i stopped all this man i stopped when i arrived in prison i lost weight straight away and i went to the gym you know pull ups and press ups every day and taking steroids i was massive i was massive steroids we talk about freely you know in prison it's like normal taking steroids it's true man i know in prison they take steroids and when you like sports so yes uh yeah she came to visit me many girls came to visit me i even made a girl came from uh houston texas you know like a follower on facebook and i made her come but i made her visit one of my brother you know i make her visit one of my brother i had a girl she came she came to visit me from milan italy yes many many stories like this and nice stories shagging alcohol steroids no i didn't do alcohol but only smoking weed you know hash weed but the majority of people would end up wanting to go to fucking prison that sounds like a better life than some people out here this is what they say but you have to make your life better and and you know in it's it's i would not say it's easy to bring stuff but you know in french prison when you come to the visit you have to go through the metal detector if you don't have metal they don't strip sir they first of all you don't get strip charge you know it's illegal by european law okay but if you uh you know if you buzz because you have metal they can you know touch you but if you don't have this she comes with a kebab here you know kebab a little phone you know you have those little uh uh uh uh internet phones like the smartphones very little you opened it you asked for the guy from the shop to open it you take that metal plate like this it doesn't buzz under the metal detector and she can bring it to you but the day i receive things from outside i need to know i need to organize it very well because it's a big organize i need to take the right uh visiting date with the right guards you know that likes you because guards you know the human beings some of them you can you are almost friends with them you know right guys he will not strip to search you you know and he will let you pass so or they can strip search you they see what you've got and they don't say anything or you can give them a little bit of money you know so it's a it's a it's like a mission to bring these things i've seen people bringing a one kilo of coke uh uh uh kilos of hash uh uh i think i brought uh i don't know how many times i brought meat you know me i like food so i bring meat uh uh where many kilos of meat i brought inside many kilos of meat meat all the spices i had i had uh i had everything man in terms of food so everybody's smuggling kilos of coke and hash and you're not smuggling sausages yeah that's when you know you've changed bro sausages man we call it merguez is there's north african sausages we call it merguez you know people go broke in the prison and they get out rich what they're doing smuggling coke and because there's a lot of drug addicts man for coke yeah there's a lot of drug addicts there's a lot of heroin addicts and especially those guys that comes from uh that come from uh how do you say georgian georgia you know uh next to armenia next to azerbaijan those guys that they are the tiffs you know they call them the vorzakone these big gangs of tiffs the russian speakers you know they call them the the the tiffs under the law or something like this you know and those guys you know all their life they've been sniffing and smoking a heroine so they need the heroine so people they bring it for them and they have money and those people they have a special insurance you know as a tiff like especially it's called the upchuck you know so they pay they go in the steel and do the business all over europe and they pay every month so every year the upchuck to their big boss back in azerbaijan or back in georgia you know so when they get caught the boss can send them their monthly money and can pay for the lawyer and all the spendings that they need when they in prison you know they have all these tattoos of the stars you know all those stars tattoos you know very nice guys i have to say you know i was with one of the big boss uh when i was in east of france in prison because i've been thrown i tried to i would say escape i didn't try really to escape from prison but one day it was on juillet juillet it was uh it was the 18th of i remember all my life it was the 18th of july 2018 and uh and i had enough because i knew that i had 30 days of hole you know the the hole why we are near yeah because i was doing so much shit i spend more than 200 days in the hole why i i was i think i had like i don't know man i didn't take it i was aggressive you know i was aggressive towards the guards you know i got arrested with because sometimes you need a knife you know to protect yourself but i didn't even need the knife to protect myself so i built some stuff some weapons they they when they find it you know they search a road or your cell they find it you get hold they they send you to the hole to the to the punishment cell and i've done many eyes i've had fights with guards i admit uh man i was like i don't know i was troubled in my head i think at this per period you know just before 2018 and and uh i had 30 days of hole to do and i was very worried because the hole or the prison i was in paris was on the top on the roof of the prison and it was very hot that summer 2018 like extremely hot and i was very scared because i've done the hole before there is no windows there is no air there's nothing man you know and and you can't even breathe the summer summer time there this the window is plastic it's a plexiglass i was worried i said no i'm gonna die in this room i'm gonna die i didn't feel it good then i say i say okay i'm gonna i'm gonna leave this prison to leave the prison you have to do attempted escape that if they kick you out from the prison they send you to another to another place you know so i kiss all my friend like this oh sorry guys i'm i'm leaving this place and i start to climb you know on the i'm a good climber also i start to climb on the you know from the i will not give the detail but and i jumped uh uh you know the rays or wires i got cut everywhere blood everywhere you know i put a mask first on my face because everyone was recording me and they didn't find my mom that she sees me on the on the news in the news is my face full of blood you know on the roof and i want to come from here so so then the the warden comes and he says yeah what do you want come down mr blah blah blah my family name come down mr daddy come down i said no i don't want to come down i want to fuck off from here come down and then they start to negotiate i'm into a negotiation i say okay i come down only if i fuck up from that prison you know i don't mean no of us we thought are we getting to an end he sent there is a special team that comes from outside when there is like event like this you know they come from outside with the mask with the full gear so they came to the roof they arrest me they attached me like this you know like a mommy you know like mommy they attached me they put me on the board and they with the rope they put me down you know this is how i got arrested then and they send me to another prison and uh and from the now they send me to the dispatch prison first and from that dispatch prison they send me to east of france next to the looks between luxembourg and germany but france side i stayed there 15 months uh it was nice you know it was nice i was bit free i had the key of my cell you know it was really cool and when i arrived you know because i i i it was like an attempted escape uh i meet up for first you know as an addiction with the head of the security and i say okay head of security lieutenant i say okay lieutenant if you don't give me a deck i give you my word of honor that i will not make any trouble in and with check the hands and he never gave me any trouble he respected his word and i respected my word and after eight 15 months i had enough first of all i saved the life of a black guy from south america from syria and i'm a very nice guy we used to do gyms together and he wanted to do some albanian gangs wanted to kill him you know he was in trouble with he was alone with albanian gangs and the albanians are have very good relations with albanians you know we are like brothers you know we understand each other had some really good friends you know and he found himself in the yard with ten albanians with with knives they wanted to kill him and he was running everywhere and i was running behind him you know and i said let him be let him be he fells on the floor the stuff and one he tried to stab him i push him like that and i get my body to protect him i stand up i put him behind me and i push the guy say you're gonna get 30 years and when i told them you're gonna get 30 years sorry uh they calmed down i say you beating him up beating him up enough you know let me take him out i take him out i see the world and it was a lady at this time you know at this prison in the east of france and i say i want to fuck up from this place she authorized she gave me the authorization to move to get to to get to another but they sent me to uh they sent me to worse place than that you know called ssg it's a prison for uh sexual predators you know uh they they for sexual predator but they put me on the block where they owns the sexual predators and i stayed 10 months in that prison and i stayed in this block uh something like six months you know and i was so aggressive you know so aggressive and i i it was a nightmare and it was during covid time you know and i didn't have uh i didn't have a phone for four months and then they saw that i was uh because there was a lot of complaints about me they came they kicked me to another block with really nice guys from north of france they bring me the telephone bring me with i had everything after and i was relaxed and after a few months there i was so relaxed i had everything it was so good you know the the head of the security he comes he told me yeah dany you fuck off from this prison we send you somewhere else and they send me somewhere else to spend the last 10 10 months to another shithole it was very difficult also uh but it was okay man i did my my time last spend the set and last 10 months and i got free and now i'm here now with you guys here on the french prison hello there's no gangs like as you can say you know this is not like that you know it's more like america fine we are fine well it's not like that we are like families you know but us as north african we can have we are from different neighborhoods you know around paris for example if we are if you are from paris you know so we have cousins here cousins there's no it's not like gangs man you know except when you are sometimes when it's people from neighborhoods you know fact we call us we call each other families you know we are families and me are grown up in a air in a in a neighborhood with only morocans you know and those morocans they have they are the biggest traffic ant of hashish traffic ant who is the biggest producing hashish country in the world so that's why i got involved in this business very in a very early age because in my neighborhood you know all the french back in the days in the 90s all the big top french hash traffic ant comes from my neighborhood you know and our dream what it was our dream it was to be hash traffic ant you know when we were young we want to be hash traffic ant we want to import it from morocco but it's not that easy you know it's not that easy at all so voila that was the the life the prison life and as i say prison is not a waste of time it's a gain of time first of all as i told you it was my therapy cooking setting up my stuff putting my my spices there watching some cooking videos recipes try to organize smuggling some meat and some stuff from outside to make cakes to make some nice meat some nice food setting up my social media stuff you know and it's not when i say it's not a waste of time it's a gain of time because you work out you know you read you get educated i've been reading a lot i educated myself i met nice people also really nice people i understood many things about myself you know i faced my own reality you know how i was you know i even discussed i was discussed when i was before jail i didn't like myself very much you know because i was doing so much shit you know so much evil stuff you know and i found i was looking at myself and said i was really evil you know and i think i became a better human being i would say you know so i faced my reality lost weight went to the gym well since i'm out a gym not too much because you know you eat sugar things i i wasn't eating no sugar you know so what i was here uh uh yeah it was uh i wouldn't say it was a great good experience but it was my experience it was my life and i made it good when i was inside see when you had an instagram did the corpus not try and shut you down i really didn't give a damn about it the day no though but even gods they used to come and see dany uh we see your instagram very nice yeah very nice keep going you know the guards because i was so i'm a i'm a gentleman you know i talk nice with people they talk nice back to me you have very nice guards also what and you have some real motherfuckers also because in france most of the guards they bring because no one wants to be guard you know i want to be a screw so most of them they bring them from the west indies the french carabi you know and they speak patois they speak the language from the french car mix between their language and french and sometimes we don't understand each other plus being guard in france they are not well trained because they need them urgently no one wants to do this job it's a dangerous job you know you have some nice guys and you have some motherfuckers you know and me i went i've seen a lot of nice guys they were they never told me nothing and i've done a lot of interviews i was on a big french media uh vice i've been invited on vice three times uh i have a lot of podcasts never happened nothing what's the worst thing you have seen in prison uh i've seen a lot of people suicide killing themselves you know i've seen a guy when i was in insta france got the throat cut for a really shitty story he was uh this guy here sorry uh this guy was on his balcony and he threw food from the balcony and it was another guy down and the guy he was by his window also and he received all the sauce on his uh truck suit he was upset and it's okay fuck off okay fuck off he meet him on the stairs he come behind him and he's to cut his throat blood everywhere i still i think uh on my instagram uh on my stories the the archives i have the video when they take the the body bag out of the building yeah they kill the killing that guy that i saved the life in the in the yard they were almost killing him uh a guy receiving uh uh boiled oil in the face uh uh uh rapes you know rapes of course rapes there is homosexuality also in prison not on those prisons where you are waiting for your uh on remand for your trial because those prisons you know people they don't talk too much those you know but when it's the open prison you know you are having your long sentences yes there's rapes there's some dirty things there's all those pedophiles you know these disgusting motherfuckers and it was this pedophile uh when i was in the north of france he touched so many people so many kids you know and i was very upset with him i don't know i didn't like him anyway and and there is you know it's the hygiene in the prison is not that great you know there is rats everywhere and every night i know i was taking the food from the the prison kitchen this disgusting food all the disgusting fish i take it and i throw it just i was on the first floor and it was he was on the ground floor and i throw it just in front of his window and all the rats come scratch scratch on his window and it's a baby baby daddy are you the one who chose who chose the food i said no it's not me upstairs every night it was a nightmare plus the other guy just in the cell in front of me when you wake up at seven or eight o'clock in the morning the uh seven o'clock in the open the door and you had you know they do the counting and i come and it was this motherfucker who was taking pictures you know and touching the the babies you know this motherfucker and i was always like this moody in the morning i was telling him when you have a guy every morning he said like this your life is hell because those guys they are pussies man they are not like gangsters they are motherfucking pussies piece of trash so i was doing this that's why they kick me to the other block and this other motherfucker you know like really a bastard this guy i'm gonna say that story because it's really disgusting but i said i didn't know about him i was cooking with him cooking nice you know and when i arrived there and uh i never told him i never not even asked questions you know i never told him and then uh then he was leaving you know he's got three he got a 10 year sentence and he got he did only four years he raped the the daughter of his girlfriend 18 months baby that's hard to go through surgery you know to repair the vagina baby and you know when i heard that i got mad i said why you didn't tell me he was with me cooking when i was killed i turned completely mad and he had these little stuff and leaving to bed quickly and i called him forgot his name this motherfucker hey you are very lucky you're leaving i know what you did to motherfucker you are very lucky and i knew he did me this as a fucker the piece of trash man the devil eat the rats uh eat eat the rats yeah there's plenty of rats man the devil eat them oh no no no no no no no no no we have food man because you have the what we say can canteen you have the prison food but when you have when you have a little bit of money they send me money every month my family you know my friends so you have what we say canteen is like a super market into the prison you have a list of product you have even halal products you know or kosher for juice which we can eat also as Muslims and it's very expensive it's up to ten times on different the price of outside okay so you need to have money to eat well and to have good life you know in prison it cost everything cost is expensive no no I was every week I used to do my shopping you know filling up the form you know ticking the boxes what I want I can have chicken I can have a sausage I can have a salami I can have different type of so I can have fresh food eggs eggs vegetables what else Coca-Cola I didn't drink fizzy drinks at this time I was drinking only water you know and the sparkling water I like sparkling water but no no no no no other rats men are never rats probably they eat it in China some places like this when did you decide that you were going to start making changes I don't know if I want to make changes you know I didn't even think like that I don't even think like that to be honest you know changes you mean when I got out of prison or yeah instead of smuggling and because first of all if I get arrested for smuggling drugs for smuggling drugs I will get 20 years with a minimum of two-thirds you know so if I got 20 years I would make a minimum of 14 years and at my edge I cannot do that anymore you know and I used to say to friends I say if I do that I get arrested I rather die you know and get killed by the cops you know do everything to live you know get into violence and get killed then go back to jail to be honest so no man I don't know I I don't have any question regarding that brother I don't know man I just want to I don't know I have no answers to be honest I'm don't say I'm not gonna say I'm lost or something I do my life day after day I have some projects but but no I I don't ask myself those questions bro what did you do when you came out when I came home I was hard not to relax I was happy you know my mother and my son and and his mother they came to pick me up from prison then I stayed we stayed in a hotel we stayed in a hotel yeah we stayed in a hotel and the day after I went straight to live in another country in Europe and I stayed there I worked a little bit you know I bite myself a motorbike I found myself a nice apartment you know I was doing my life my girlfriend came to visit me that's it really so what I'm working I was working in a warehouse you know I was just doing a job at the beginning I didn't work I traveled a lot I came to England I stayed a long time here in England then I went to travel I went to travel all over the world I would say I went to China then next to China I went to America you know so I traveled a lot I enjoyed my life I went to eat I was eating every day outside I spent a lot of money I gave also money and and now now have some projects and I have to make it happen simple as that but to be honest if I think I don't have really I don't know brother I don't ask myself too much question to be honest do you mesh the old life no I don't miss anything I don't regret anything you know because sometimes you have people say yeah but do you regret I regret nothing you know and as I said to the judge if I have to do it again I will do it better yes yes I told her like this you know if I have to do it but I will do it better you know because she was quite rough that judge you know she was really really she was really bad and and no no I don't regret anything because you know what the regret it gives you a pain and that pain is like a burn you know we call it the burn of regret you know and it's very painful and I don't want to have any pain so I regret nothing you know I do my life like this I've done my mistakes you know I take responsibility for everything I've done you know with the chin up when did you get released I got released the 9th the 9th of the 9th of July 2021 so recently yeah almost yeah almost two years ago 24 months ago are you still out in license no I have no it's finished I have nothing I have nothing I owe them nothing but I have a five years ban from Paris you know so it's very difficult for me because when I leave the country wherever I am in France you know you go to the customs they show your passport they always put you on the side they have to call the Ministry of Interior another central office yeah we have Danny with us he's going to that country you know blah blah they ask me question why do you leave blah blah blah and then bye bye to record me what I'm doing you know but I cannot come to Paris because if I can come to Paris and they find out the customs I can they arrest me and I go straight back to jail to finish the one year that I have to do 7 to 8 you know because I had 8 yeah so that's the problem so you can't go back but fuck it so see when you get released from Paris prison I wasn't in Paris when I got released I was in the north of France you know because I've done I've done Paris dispatch dispatch east of France east of France dispatch dispatch north of France and from a prison in north of France to another prison in north of France so I know every 12 15 months they used to move me around because of this attempted escape you know yeah so it wasn't easy but I always take my phone with me you know I don't know how they don't find it I put it sorry between you know my underwear you know and I do some tricks and they don't find it you know and one day I was moving from that north prison to the other prison and it was the guy with me another guy with me we were waiting and he didn't strip churchie and this stupid guy he said hey I got why don't you start you don't you strip search and I give the fuck up you motherfucker he's an idiot and I was telling him why you in prison he's yeah he's telling me like crazy story out of a movie you know I say are you sure I find out he's like he was like a serial rapist and I was telling to everyone I gave him a slap so he couldn't even go out of his cell you know some rapists you know that don't like really dirty stuff they cannot give except if you are in those special prisoners special block made for those predators that they are free they respected you know you slap one or you kick the ass of one you can get on serious trouble you can if you give you extra prison you know yeah why are they so protected they're so protected and you don't know when in England it's like this time you don't see a yeah you don't understand you don't understand because I think there's a prison called Grendan here it's like sex cases in the worst fucking people ever but the people who try and change their life because they can go from a category down to bc they can get released but I'm grinding you can't even if you say anything bad from your just straight back and like you say they can get added time as well no it's not they are very protected because when they are on remand those sexual present they don't get out of the cell impossible they go to the yard impossible it's too dangerous yeah good yeah they get kicked you know they get stabbed they get stepped on their head it's good in it's good it's good because they've done some pretty shit this this guy who raped that poor young girl there's some dirty stuff man that's really dirty stuff once I went I was in that SSG prison in north of France SSJ sorry prison in north of France and it was this guy we call him to pack you know and he looks like to pack you know he's wasting this guy and he he was in prison because he raped a girl you know and he put his he went into her house he put a knife on her throat a knife on her throat and he raped her and then we find out we tell him okay we were still friends come to the cell we beat him up in the cell and we and the guards comes they open the door of the cell they see us beating him and they close the door and they let us beating him yeah some of them you know sometimes you know he's too arrogant you know and the guards don't like him they let us beat beat beat him up a little bit like this he he learns a little bit what is this life no they don't it's it's hard for some for some of them and when you go when you have one two three years waiting for your trial and you cannot get out of your cell to go to the yard you know who was the madest person you ever came across gangsta drug lord you know it was this guy drug lord man there is a lot of drugs big big people man they are very powerful in France you know they are very powerful they are respected in the prison but we are friends man we all know each other since we are young we don't you know you know big people they don't take very themselves very seriously they are respected but they are very friendly very nice they help other people you know they don't have this attitude you understand the job I come across yeah a psychopath a serial killer they don't put them with us no now they put him on segregation we now never see us and if they have the if they move them from cell to go for example visit so to go to the doctor or whatever they shut down the prison no one can get can get out of his cell till he pass and then they open everything no I haven't seen this type of people but no the rapes as I told you raping an 18 months baby brother you know what you want to throw up you want to take his head and smash it every on every hole you know and I told him you are very lucky because I would have used you as a mop and he told me like this oh motherfucker you know I told you like this this motherfucker you know and once I was you know I was my first yeah my first one and a half year in prison you know I was a bit violent and aggressive towards the the the guard some of them not all of them some of them because there is really bastards you know I don't know what he did to me this this guy he treated me like piece of shit you know and I grabbed him from his throat I'm gonna this sounds disgusting whatever and he was saying ah and I spat on his mouth and I said now you kissed me your motherfucker oh that's funny I've done 30 years of hole 30 days of holes because of that and even the story was in the newspaper then he wanted to sue me for that you know and all my friends went to see him you know say don't sue him you know he got kind of threatened so he came to my cell when I came out of the hole he came to myself he apologized and I apologized also you know say sorry I should have not done it blah blah blah what do you think is the easiest to smuggle drugs the easiest way uh there is no easiest way but if you're a pack one because you don't know what there is no easiest way first of all you want to be the you want to play in those big games that you have to spend a lot of money okay for example you want to bring cocaine from Colombia you have to pay the Colombians first to get it out of their country buy the gear uh with the right people the good quality because sometimes they sell you shit okay so you have to be very careful with who you deal uh who is who you dealing with sorry uh then it has to arrive in France for example you know you have to take it out you have to know the right people the right docker or the right police you know to take it out so no it's not it's not an easy way man I'm telling you it's not an easy way it's a it's a work it's a job and it's a hard work you know so so it was it there is those people who uh does at little scale they swallow it you know but how much are you gonna take in your stomach you know there's these things but the big game the big game now it's not easy it's not easy and the one that wants to get into it I will never judge anyone I will say always say do it but do it well you know don't look on the phone because phones they any phone they can open it even those encrypted phones I'm a bit technical on this side yeah they can open it because on your phone you have the you have the the algorithm the software and you have the hardware which is the phone the problem is not the algorithm the software itself the problem is the hardware because in the hardware you have the uh the memory and in the memory they saved your passwords it saves or part of your password or your password sometimes you know so they have all the techniques to find it you can use signal you can use any other app if they want they can get you so never took in your car never took in your house because they can come in your house and put some microphones in your house so you have to be very secure where you talk and who is whom you talk you know don't talk in you know you have to be very serious you know you have to take it very seriously you have to be ready to kill you know and me I'm not ready to kill and I don't want to kill no one very peaceful guy you know what no I believe in God you are you have to be ready to kill you have to be ready to spend your life in prison you know and and the big boss you know those big boss like those big you know big guys they have this state of mind you know they say if I have to go to prison for life I'll do it you know this is their jobs they have you know they are responsible for many families because they have people under under the wings that they work for them you know but I would say well now you have to be very smart man very smart very rough ready to kill you know and it's not something for me anymore I'm too old for this shit it's not only I'm too old for this shit I'm still in good shape you know but no I'm not interested about this anymore I just want to work relax I want to take I want to travel around the world you know make my son discover some stuff you know raise him you know teach him some stuff going to the gym going to the judo I'm I like judo I've done judo for many years when I was young so what I'm teaching things take him all around the world you know how's life now life is okay man it's I don't complain I'm not this type of guy who complains life is good you know it's okay I'm healthy well of course I'd like money like everyone you know I'd like money you know I want money but I will work I work for it you know like normal like everybody when I got out of prison I went to work for a pay slip you know as I say so as I say always I'm a slave of my pay slip so yes and we see what happened I'm a very optimistic guy you know see what's happened but I have to make the effort I have to be serious for example I really wanted to do some stuff with all this Instagram but after spending seven years being on Instagram every day when I was making some videos some content some you know after you get out you have enough of this prison shit you understand I've been some some companies contacted me to work with them to develop some stuff but they just wanted to you know to use my ideas you know because all these adverts companies you know marketing companies they need some people with ideas you know and other many ideas and they didn't propose me shit so I was quite a not upset because I don't give a shit but you know some people they tried to contact me me I wrote a I wrote a documentary about the story Danny Hell's Kitchen the narcotorpedo stories and when it takes me to Danny Hell's Kitchen which is very interesting maybe maybe if I don't know man I see what the proposed people propose me but I don't want to I want to make the effort but I don't want to do the production the editing this is not my stuff man I don't know nothing about that you know this is not my stuff this is for people who knows about production who knows about editing you know I just want to come here do the show okay make the effort do the research everything you know but what if someone proposed me something like that I'm very happy to be part of it what's your plans for the future Danny you know I'd like to have a I've already set up that little company that I'm working in that little company that I'm going to set up pretty soon by a piece of land build a house with my own hand but a very simple house with the containers you know I love all this containers stuff you can build containers house I've been following this for years I have all the plans so build my container house and leave I don't know man to be honest some people they tell me this I don't even know what to answer to that what is my plan for the future I have no plan brother for anybody that's want to get involved in a life of crime what advice would you have for them be serious you know like have discipline you know discipline is all about you know have discipline keep your word even doing this word there is no word you know so you can say something today and tomorrow you can say fuck off why fuck you or whatever yeah just the discipline man the discipline and to succeed in that in that in that life you know you have to be a killer simple as that you know there is no other things you know you are ready you have to be you have to be a cold blood animal you know this is what I would say Danny boy would you like to finish up on anything else I don't know brother what's your social meters and stuff I am my social meter yeah my uh you also I'm running that page called Danny Hell's kitchen you know I show uh I uh this is my uh prison story but my culinary prison story you know I can I put sometimes videos about my travel and uh when I discover new uh food around the world so this is what I put uh what I put lately uh this last few months but otherwise it's my story it's all my prison story all my food culinary prison story but if you want they want to follow to see how was my life what is my plan for the future I plan also as I told you to set up a podcast okay not to talk only about prison life but a bit about everything invite a different type of people it can be politics models uh charity people uh gangsters people a bit like you I would say but without you being your your how do you say a concurrence your competitor that's okay then I'm happy helpers place a day's day's room for everyone of course on us what is being you know and I speak in English also so and in French also so I can be France or England but as I said I'd like to I didn't have time to to look after it to to to organize it because I'm looking at the team that they are ready to make a little bit of money with me I'm ready to share as long as they can charge the producing and editing uh part of it you know and we can make something together ah that's it Danny boy would you like to finish up on anything else I think I said it all my brother Danny listen all the best in the future hopefully stay out of trouble brother yeah I look out of the problem my very problem but we never know