truck like an absolute unit Uh, his damage is off the charts crazy for for what he's capable of What's with the right with the right suite of of stuff His biggest weakness is mortals via spells And stops That's it That's why you it's nice to have the idle on the sea again because rerollable unbinds are great to rerollable unbinds People will start bringing mortal wounds via Spells and stomp like a mokrasha will deal five damage to him with the stomp. I'm gonna kill him But yeah That's something that's that's he's only I I see zero other weaknesses on this guy Yeah, I think elect man I think he's quite reliant on like the like to really juice him to this level you need like the command trait Or you know stuff like that to really make him to make him realize this full potential You got to get his get his numbers up. You got to pump these brookie numbers that are on the war scroll up Um, I do think you can actually build two frightening achillian kings Um, even again, even assuming the thing doesn't stack Like you can build again depends on how you're doing your mouth traits your artifacts and so on and so forth So it's going to be drop impactful But you can like give one the tome versus one yada yada You know so you move his damage up to like damage four on the main attack Like so there there's stuff you can play with there to just have like damage bros Um, you know like the brokings And they will always fight first like we said Like d3 units will fight first even if you're all a one or two One of them fights first and then it's your turn and you pick again So other really good point to make is remember asf people all take themselves out of the normal choosing rotation So hence all your asf units fight and then You pick your normal unit to fight so like even in the worst-case scenario if you're in brokings or something both fight first yep So yep Tyler any thoughts before we leave the the ridiculousness that is the achillian king behind Yeah, I think we're good props to troll slayer adam for his troll game.  You're good. So All right, uh the tide caster and bro tan Uh Bro overseas.  Okay Word of the bro ledgers. Yeah, there we go. That's what it is. All right. Cool. Um, all right the ishrin tide caster Whatever that so perfectly fine unit 150 points six inch move five wounds for up save yada yada It's a one-cast wizard. Um, it is ishrin. So remember we need to fit Remember we need to have one ishrin in our list. So we're watching who's the ishrin. We're going to stick in our lists That's the question we're asking right So we can get access to them sweet sweet rituals First of all, all the ishrin dudes have a five up word save now. Cool. Yep. I like that. That's just a a thing Nice nice thing Uh, his ability that you're taking him for is like his spell is fine. Well her Thank you. Her spell is fine But you're taking her for the master of the ether sea if this is the choice you want to make Um, if any units with this ability are part of your army You can pick two different ishrin rituals to influence the ether sea during the battle instead of one So for example, you could have the run in charge Uh, sorry the plus one to uh run in charge There we go in your in your run in charge round and the five up word in your high tide round Just as an example or the you can't shoot me unless you're within 12 inches and the five up word If you're trying to like I really need to get the defensive gift of defensivist of defensivist things going And remember you don't pick rituals until you're already knowing who you're fighting and who the What the priority the turn order is going to be and all of that So this this really gives you sort of super maximal choice on your selections of rituals Yeah Good ability You know she's fine. She's all right it's It's crazy to me that An ability that's sort of so good In this book is like, yeah, that's fine Like my mind is elsewhere. That's sure. That's the idea like if you're focusing on on her you're like, oh, yeah I can think of different things in my head. I'm thinking You know what one ritual is fine with a little asterisk, which we're going to talk about with the next guy Yes. Yes, absolutely. So Let's talk about bro tan the warden of the bro ledgers. So, uh He's By the way The guy and his bro octopus. Yes. So he's still got his little octopus friend octar is still around I do like that. We collapsed all of octar's attacks into a single line. Thank you For for again just a nice little usability thing appreciated Uh, so again six inch move five wounds four up save five up after save all good uh, but Low tan now brings the catalog of souls add one to wound rolls For attacks made with melee weapons by friendly eigneth deepkin units wholly within 12 of this unit mounts not excluded Everybody's welcome. Everybody's welcome in the catalog Tay the achillian king. Did you hate that everything except that bladed pole arm was on threes to wound? Don't worry. You're on twos now, baby Yeah Yeah, so a lot of good stuff that goes to to wound notably it is only melee weapons It's not shooty shooty reavers So that is important But when you want to get the chop on the bite on with some sharks with some eels with some emarty with a king Many of the offensive hammers you have in this book Low tan is their best friend So there you go And he gets all of that Oh, sorry. I forgot the other ability. Well, I can't forget the other ability Fountain of willpower Once per battle If this unit's on the battlefield at the start of your hero phase You can pick one ritual from the ishrine rituals table and one friendly eigneth deepkin unit Holy within 12 inches of this unit Until your next hero phase the unit you picked is affected by that ritual in addition to any others It is affected by Okay, so now you can pick your critical unit and give them the five up ward Or the plus one to run in charge Or whatever Okay There are people that were discussing this that they were saying so can we give high tide the five plus plus the numarty on round one? No, you can't because the ritual says they get five plus plus during high tide, right? So actual tide needs to be On whether because whichever turn it is or because the achillian gave the high tide So you cannot just say well that that one No, the tide needs to be Tide tide with the round as well So You cannot just go five plus plus on round five. I don't know It doesn't work like that So Yeah, and all of that for the logo price of 115 points Fantastic Fantastic I would point out by the way his plus one to wound does affect himself So he's so so Uh octar is in fact eight attacks on threes and threes neg one one damage So, you know low tank you know there and do a little bit of do a little bit work in melee even against the weaker units Octar's gonna be beating the crap out of people Fun stuff I love this guy so much like the idolon with seed of tides can move him Where you want him like if you have a good call of where you want that 12 inch bubble plus one wound to land That's the thing about elf armies in aos You see that a lot, especially in luminous that feeling of Ah, man, I should have done x instead of y and that would be the correct choice That would have been the correct choice The fact that in lRL there's an answer to everything But you have to have the brain function of an actual high elf to pull it off That's how I feel their thinking here as well It used to be eight an inch bubble of wound plus one wound on everything go nuts or the like That's gone now, but there's still ways to do it Like we're saying things. This is amazing. You do need to pull it off Right, right? Let's let's be clear on that that this For me this book used to be better stronger It is really strong, but it does need Does need you to apply yourself. Let's let's say it like that Yeah Kind of good players that have trained or played the book a lot. This will be a really really strong book Yeah, one thing I've been feeling a lot with a was 3.0 and this could be the bingo card recency bias Of where rock paper scissors have always been obviously a thing in this game Just feels like The rocks and paper and scissors have all become so much more accentuated in what they do A rock rocks harder paper papers harder And I don't that's just the feeling that I've had in the game for some time. That's What worries me one of the elements that worries me about the state of this game and about eideneth as an example of I love that they are A Rock to the present scissors that we have out there. That's great in theory and yet if they're going to rock You know to a degree that Represents be careful what you wish for Anyway, it's kind of a whole other topic. That's kind of one of the things that I'm feeling when I'm looking at this book Just and then that ties in constantos to the sheer A spectrum of what Good players can get out of some of these books relative to your average player And how they're gonna they're gonna be a lot of players struggle with this book because they're just not going to be able to Execute they're going to get ran over. They're good, you know, the things are not going to be done in the right way And they're going to get killed, you know, they're not going to have a good time But yeah, it's it's such a spectrum with a number of these things right now. I feel Now I think that this book will single handedly bring back spellcasting. That's how it feels in a few months It will be better impactful. I see no like absolutely Like this will be the most impactful book to the meta sort of believe so far All right, let's talk about our other two ishran friends here Uh, the ishran soul scrier and the soul render. So pointy man and hooky man Uh, as we know them So the soul scrier is again our off board. We already talked about him some it's 150 points We know what he does. He takes units off two units join him Off in the the reserve either see and then he can pop them in fully within six of the battlefield edge And more than nine away from all enemy units. So Less he lost he lost the point by the way He's like a broken still a pointy man, but he lost the plus three to the lost granting the plus three charge he's more or less now just a An ambush option. That's what he is. Yeah I'm thinking you drop 20 reveres and two sharks with them. You deal about Seven damage to a three plus save 10 damage to four plus. I did add look out sir to that So seven 10 damage not bad Those things aren't going away the 20 reveres and two sharks He's a good option. Like I said, what are you finding? To take this guy with you probably the answer is having magic at some point Yeah, sure. Yep. And then the soul render is your nemarty returner, right where he can hook their souls back into him Uh, you can return up to three slain models that you know instead of any Yeah, so yeah, that's what he does And he has the ward of five up and once we're battle at the end of the combat phase You can pick one enemy model that has the wounds characteristic of seven or less And does not have a mount and is within three inches Okay, all right, hold on A lot of stuff to navigate here Then I roll 2d6. Okay, got it And if I roll greater than that enemy models wounds characteristic, it is slain so he can once again Hook a hero to death. It's a funny thing Um It's technically a model by the way, it doesn't have to be a it doesn't have to be a hero I just think of it on five wound heroes all the time But of course, it just has to be a model with a wounds characteristic of seven who does not have a mount Um So sure it's fun It's fun. It's really amazing you And like we said the battle shock happens twice in a turn now so he's better And So It's all right Yeah, he gets to three or three be slain. It's at the end of all battle shock phases He does his return exactly. It's a really good point Um Yeah, I think the little hook a thing and kill it is funny. I don't know how often that's actually going to come into play But notably it can break Uh coherency because it's happening On a four plus save with five plus plus now with a five plus word and he has four attacks instead of two So he will probably and it's a damage two profile as well So he will deals deal some damage and the hangman's not can Not break coherence because he's still within three. They will be able to move around, I guess And well, he's doing it at the end of combat. So all right, like that's like feels like I don't like those It feels like gotcha moments. Sure Thank you I was about to give a lecture. All right. I won't give the luck. Yeah, it's completely a gotcha moment It that's that's what that is Hate these rules. Yes It feels terrible in my opinion Where you're incentivized to look for this opportunity. All right.  I'm not gonna lecture But yes, I agree.  Do we need to talk about this at all? I didn't even use Like it's a great proxy for a soul render if you want to run two of them She's a very very beautiful model. The whole box is Top four-eyed enough proxies. You make a couple of namari champions with the little ones You will put rotan on crab nose And you will you will win coolest army in every event you go Just because you have rotan on the crab So That's what you do other than that That that's it Cool. I thought so. I didn't even bother to read it. I was just like not not reading this next Okay Ishmael and guard and Morsar guard The I didn't put their points on here for some reason, but they're both the same points cost now They're both 195 Okay uh, so I'm not going to talk about these guys. I'm just gonna real quickly. I'll say They lost their re-roll charge And have plus one to charge now. That's a relevant thing Um, they still mostly are the same stuff like they still have a viable to last They still have the rend bonus and stuff. They still the defensive guard still have Ignoring modifiers positive and negative and go to a three up save characteristic when they charge okay Now A lot of people Konstantinos have said that eels are Washed out. They're done. They're done for guys. It's over the eel the eel at the age of the eel is passed Tell me why they're wrong Okay, just a moment Right So writing off eels is the most bizarre take. I've heard these past few days It's probably because they're changed to the fang attacks hasn't been noticed because their fang attacks have changed That sort of ill will eel will will not last long once games started rolling in that's how it feels because Um, I'm talking more start now. Let's leave ishlin the defensive eels Let's leave them on the side. Oh, these guys the offensive ones um They were 195 they had they used to terrorize the boards, right with idk. They were the trademark feel bad um They got more expensive over the years the point that they got to 195 and people were like well things are better now There's rivers there's sharks um Like thralls went to two but even before that it was people didn't really use them that much right the thing is They deal a lot more damage now because that One attack with the no rent d3 damage became three attacks Rend one d3 damage. Yeah, so instead of three attacks They have nine and on the six on the six eels instead of Six they have 18 rend one d3 attacks that are on threes and threes mind you We have the idling that reduces save stacking. They still get the mines to rent and damage two And on the charge you can get them to charge every single round you want So you will be able to harness that power And low tangle buff their wounds. They can get a lot of attack They used to have bravery six now they have bravery seven and the standard bearer gives them another plus Like with the ci along within 18 they are bravery 11 So and their mortal wounds up is there. That's your our only mortal wound output from units that are not heroes So the idea that well, if they don't charge they hit like a wet noodle They're still wet They do look like noodles They don't fight like them they I put Two sharks 330 points and six eels 390 points On the charge eels deal 50 percent more damage So I brought up your damage chart I brought up that because I know you prepared some some stats hammer damage So here I've got the the damage comparison between two alopex's six ishley and six morsar And six morsar not charging. All right, cool. So Maybe take a look at the not charging one with the two sharks It's just one damage less One damage less on a unit that can move Run in charge, which means a maximum of 20 plus 26 plus maybe even one because of the virtual Can do it every turn if you have the achillian king. Will you have the achillian king? We've already talked about it. He will always be there So if a shark deals x damage, by the way, this damage includes the Uh harpoon And the extra bite attack and the plus one to hit from the champion I I did put two sharks to have the champions in So this doesn't have a lot of attack But you will probably always have a lot of attack on these attacks. These are important attacks You do need to play the game as well. The worst one is going to do it So this 50 percent extra damage on the charge does not include the mortal wounds app Which is about four wounds or six wounds So how does this thing that deals just one less damage?  You don't really need to be low drugs I love the 1965 Uh points for a list because it allows you to get the plus one to wound whenever you want And that is not only 25 extra damage if you go from a three to two 25 extra damage and the damage you see here does not have the plus one hit nor the plus one So crazy because those are both very achievable bonuses. It's it's simple. I I don't understand why you're not doing Like even the achillian can give to them by if they're close So even if you go against the lord of affliction, that's the lord stinky The achillian king is probably there or volturnus. I don't know low time can be there to help teleported And to give it to the mounts as well, which is the important one so Islain have more consistent damage. They deal they always deal more damage than sharks They don't have the mortal wounds app I didn't like I didn't like the change of the rent list, but it was probably needed because they were They were probably the best anvil in the game Charge on a three up and then go a lot defense or you're a two up Or you're close to the shark it close the turtle you're two up no rent right, so Only things that dealt mortals could deal with those things in combat But that's on you for using them against something like this So on a heavy rent meta, maybe they will be more interesting. I don't know I'm team Morse are all the way here and with the iron rack choices There is no way you will not see them I'm not saying that every table is going to have them, but that's the important bit. They're still really good There they deal more damage than they used to do But maybe you will go a different way By I really cannot see the fact that no, you will always take sharks. You will never take heels I don't see that at all. That's not the book. That's bumping war skulls together. That's not how you play the game though Right, so yeah, yeah, I mean the Morse are charging stat damage block is Horrifying right like it's And that's without the mortal that's without the biovolta glass without the mortal wound proc Yeah, nor the plus one to hit plus one wound from a three from a A three to a two is Like everyone knows it's huge. Yep. You yeah So put that back away go back to these guys. I you know, I agree um it's There's also this the the Minor thing of your proc to d3 mortals also happens on a five not a six if you have More models in the enemy unit than in this unit. Um, which yeah, that's what that's four six It's one d3 plus Plus two or two d3 plus two that's how it looks on average Yep, so oh, yeah, and also the alopex has dropped to eight wounds. We'll we'll get to that but Basically two eels deal the same damage as one shark Because three eels deal 50 more damage And to go down to one eel to get worse than a shark That's eight wounds. That's a shark so I had to go look at something because uh spark here said if I remember correctly the soul scryer was a priest Is that still the case? Yes. I forgot he was a priest. But yes, he is still a priest So that's cool. That's a cool thing. I completely forgot that was even there So he does on the prayer Yeah, on the soul scryer if you do have a need for it like said if shooting of magic comes back more heavily You can have a seven re-roll you have the flood tide Eshra and ritual plus one and then they have a built-in plus one on the musicians So pretty good odds that you're gonna get in on seven plus Seven eight bad Especially now that well, obviously you have the soul renderer there to help them re-roll But they also have a champion they can re-roll themselves with a command point another amazing thing about the book It doesn't really have command abilities that you want to use. You don't it is following that trend. Yeah You don't spend command points the high tide thing that the king had it's not a command ability. No, it's just an ability Just a thing he does Yeah All right, let's keep rolling. Let's talk about them sharks. Them sharks are 165 Uh, the notable thing about the shark is that they were 10 wounds for a little while and now they're back to eight wounds We'll see about six Uh, could this could be we could be in another Marathi rend situation here with the with shark wounds Um Yeah, uh, could be pinfield or if yes, this is the this is the new book um So they are 14 inch move eight wounds now not 10 which I've seen people argue back and forth What's better right if it's eight wounds then it can get You know the other bonuses that are reliant on being less than 10 wounds and yada yada yada um, so like it can get the The cover and stuff like that. Um, my answer is I don't know man. There's arguments in both directions in this case It's not a hero where it's so clear that being at nine wounds is better than being at 10 wounds Um, there could just be an argument that like having more wounds is simply better on things like your sharks Either way Yeah, both are okay. I don't think it breaks the unit either way It's not a make or break situation to have eight or ten wounds We'll see what they come down to if you've got two in a unit one of them gets to be a champion So he gets plus one to hit fine enough Um, they get plus one of the attacks characteristic of their ferocious bites Which they have three of base if they're uh If they're within six inches of any enemy models that have any wounds or mortal wounds allocated to them Or within six inches of any many units that have had any models slain in that term Used to be three. It's interesting. Yep. And so then they've got so yeah now. Let's talk about Uh, oh and when they're if they're if you take them in a unit they can be coherent at three inches, which is cool That's fine Let's talk about the thing that actually matters here, which is the razor shell harpoon launcher 24 inch range four attacks threes and threes neg one Uh now d3 or d3 damage, right? Um, quite a lot of shooting power there The net launcher can still make it so you don't pile in and is three damage But simply having that many harpoon shots Uh, you know, it's not bad. It's not bad. That's what I'll say Uh, and these guys are no slouch in melee right like they really are and a good all-around unit with a solid shooting attack and a uh Like a like a good melee profile now This last weekend I ran a I ran scaven against a stormcast list. Okay And I decided he wasn't running like the hardest stormcast list. It was more of like a sort of fun list So I brought a fun scaven list three doom wheels Okay Doom wheels Get like d6 shots on threes and threes neg one d3 damage The average on that is four Right, but it's much more swinging and I will say That shooting does some work. It's a good time. Okay Uh The doom wheels were absolutely the mvps of the game by the way I just drove all over all the enemy units and did mortal wins to them Just rolled over the top of them because all the little all the little Uh Stack winners just driving over top of them anyways The shooting attack is strong and this thing has a much stronger profile in melee than something like a then something like the doom Right, so now that is that basically the same high average shots on the same numbers But keep in mind it's got plenty of synergy. We've talked about other things that could be adding to this You know, if you've got sharks hanging out near different things They can be getting Again sometime it not every a lot of stuff doesn't affect the shooting a lot of stuff We've talked about is melee only but it could be affecting the melee Right, so if you've got him near one of the plus one to wound things Then stuff like like if you've got him near low tan then you can be on threes and twos For your six and three or four attacks Yeah, it should be noted that if you attack Like a bloodthirsty shiver or something or you know some unit of sharks it's really interesting because You can unleash on the unit that comes into you and you're really only trying to cause a couple wounds Because then you're going to trigger your ability even if they fight first Um, so not only do you weaken them, but you bonus yourself when you unleash They're really good They're not as good as eels like if it's that's that's the beauty of the book It will be very dependable on your lists if you want to go heavy on charging Eels will be what you choose if you Don't want to go charging You don't go with sharks Right because they just have that shooting power, right? Like three of these guys are putting out 12 shots on even base three threes neg one d3 damage. It's quite a lot Yeah That bravery six scares me so much Should get two of them because there are so many things that accidentally lower your bravery Sure, like chaos marauders lowered by two or something or chaos knights something like that So running around on bravery four Like that island of the sea cannot be everywhere Right, but um, yeah, they're good. They're good. There is they're not the clear choice And that's a win for the book. That's how I agree I think we're going to see some shark lists. I really do I think you'll see some some some bloodthirsty shiver shark lists Because you really can get those those guys buffed up and it's that kind of unit that has an interesting and good potent combination of You know reasonable shooting power And melee power to back it up has traditionally performed pretty well, right? You think like salamanders or something like that, right? These these are a very salamander-ish unit, but much more mobile By the way, um, rob johnson said about six more start with their coherency. They're on very very small Very they're only 60 by 35. Yeah On the little one So easy to put six in coherency. I've never had trouble doing it uh, so It's it's that's not gonna be a thing if when you lose one suddenly five The best number you right right. Yeah any pack of six you lose one guy. You're like yay Easy riding on easy street now If you can do it with gorgran does you will be able to do it with this thing? That's like three times smaller Exactly. I I mean the Realistically people do it with baron garden gorgran does all the time those have much bigger bases So yeah, um sporadicus says would running a single few thin bloodthirsty shiver still be okay. I think so Yeah, I think there's absolutely a list there 100% Like in my yields list. I do have two sharks Right, right Yeah, I think they're like if you're getting down to the end and you haven't put in some sharks and you feeling happy with your list That means it's shark time because they're just gonna be a good supplement to almost any any other strat you're doing They tend to be a pretty good supplement to it Every week is gonna be shark week. That's right Uh Tyler any other thoughts on dem sharks? Good i'm trying to be quiet All right Let's talk turtle T u r t l e power. Okay, so 10 inch move 16 wounds now 500 points But it has eight attacks with that harpoon launcher again threes and threes neg one d3 damage So it's got two sharks worth of harpoon. Yeah, we're on it. That's that's the one Yeah Um It's you know, it's good in melee. I don't want to pretend like it's not it's a perfectly valid melee fighter Um, two's and threes, you know neg one four damage Uh, and then two's and twos neg two three damage Two attacks, uh, that's that's a good profile Okay, like yep um We did lose the re-roll once uh to the mount attacks and the wound re-roll wants to wounds It still has the on a six on the jaw it deals three mortals or it's six if it's a monster And we lost all the re-rolls And so we cannot um fish for sixes anymore. Hey, oh Yeah It's been a while. Um There are a few changes. I'm i'm shell shocked Not just shocked Shocked by the turtle that 500 points There they it did get random the spears And it did did get d3 instead of one on the harpoon And no no changes on the mount you it's tougher to get the plus one to wound now And their mortal wound charge became a stomp Which hurts Especially not a lot when you what you do want that minus three rent on your attacks So they no longer do the the mortal wound d6 on wounds one or d3 on wounds two or more You will not see them in every list you used to see them in every list after morathing no longer the case No longer That's how it feels They still have their place. They're still fun Like everything we talk about this book being really strong You can play a list with turtles and it's going to be super fun And in having the martin list you will see them for sure Yeah, that's how and it's relevant to mention that the void drum still gives plus one to save rolls if you have wound's characteristic of eight or less, which that's part of the shark discussion, right? And then as well Your nemarty get to add one to hit rolls Uh for attacks made by friendly nemarty units that target enemy units Who are wholly within 12 of the turtle? So like if the turtle is up and in the mix then the nemarty get plus one to to hit them That's why I like to be another source of plus one to hit That's why I like the 15 turn that 12 into a 15. It does make a huge difference I mean, there's already a pretty big bubble coming off of a decently like this guy's got a big base But when you turn to 15, it's crazy how much of the board that Bubble is taking up Yep, okay Sure any any turtle thoughts tyler Yeah, the 500 I think will be seen as a little expensive Personally, I think that's about right for this piece Uh turtles were pretty undercosted previously in my opinion. They were 380, right? Konstantinos previously Really very undercosted Yeah, that that was quite undercosted I mean I get again that it's one of those single pieces that with mortal wind magic Could you know if you got a lot of magic coming its way if it's in range Probably going to want to be up in the enemy space On a shooting attacks it did double its damage going from 1 to d3 And absolutely We want the attacks from the spears. So it did get a little bit better, but losing the Losing the mortal wounds on the charge that kind of hurts It feels I think that's a priority to go to 480 480 maybe 475 at some point in the future I think the right if it's yeah, if it's overcosted.  Sure, if you're memeing it's a good meme list, right? Um, I don't think it's going to be the super competitive choice because in the end It's still just one big monster like it has no, you know extra objective control mechanics or anything like that It's a good monster But the bar for non hero monsters is always tough and 500 points is it's a lot at a quarter of your army, right? and so You know, I think non hero monster in a non forge world Most expensive and it got more expensive now, right, right? Yep Okay The achillian thrall master hiding out back here are achillian hero the dude who showed up in the box set Master of the thralls This dude is a real real sweet sweet guy if you want to run thrall dot list So six inch move five wounds for save seven bravery all fine um The important part about him is at the start of the combat phase you get to pick a little fighting stance for him And then he broadcasts he gets that and then he broadcasts that to units around him. Okay So way of the depths you can re-roll hit rolls of one for attacks made with melee weapons by this unit and friendly nemardi units holy within 12 uh melee weapons important to note Way of the riptide if the unmodified hit roll for an attack made with a melee weapon by this unit or friendly nemardi holy within 12 Is six It's a double tap so causes two hits And then way of the vortex subtract one from wound rolls For attacks that target this unit and friendly nemardi units holy within 12 um, the only one that actually that actually works on, uh Revers Is the way of the vortex because you can get negative one to wound them Something went really bad if that happens. Yeah, sure sure sure Okay, so here's a funny math thing way of the riptide is better In most cases than way of the depths Okay Because and you might ask why Well, what if i'm on like twos to hit isn't re-rolling ones better, which by the way, you're on twos to hit Let's just start there.  They did not like the memo we need to Nerf the the eyed nuth deep in hits and wounds. They did not those guys did not give them no no okay, so When you roll dice you have an equal chance of achieving a one or a six, right? Like a sixth of the dice you roll are ones and a sixth of the dice you roll are sixes. We all understand that right? okay Now when you re-roll a one you have a five and six chance for that thing to be a two or more So it's an 84 chance to turn your miss into a hit to gain one additional hit Capped at however many dice you rolled Right like if you rate ten attacks the most you can ever get is ten hits okay I understand that now when when you've got sixes or double taps You have the same percentage chance to achieve sixes as ones I know it doesn't feel like that often when we roll our dice, but that is true and Every six automatically creates one whole additional hit not 84 percent of a hit And it can exceed whatever your max was right, so you make ten attacks you can go you can get 11 hits Okay, so just to be super mathematically clear it's clearly The funny thing about this to me is it tells me this did not get a mathematical development pass Because I would have looked at this in five seconds clocked that these two things that you made me choose between That you're saying are equal choices One of them is clearly better It's just mathematically superior So way of the depths has basically no purpose and way of the oh, I would also point out um That like you don't have anything triggering on the six I should state that because that could be that could be an exception Right is triggers on six. Um, so I guess unless you're fighting an enemy achillian king who's wearing the The seath armor, that's why I said it almost every case Because I could think of that one exception if you said your thralls after the enemy achillian king And he's wearing the seath armor and he's like, haha Okay, don't weigh the riptide in that case to do way of the depths Yeah The thralls are rising Fighting their kings Yes, if there's a palace coup Right and the thralls rise up Yeah Uh, so there you go Yeah, um, okay So anyways, uh, yeah go weigh the riptide. It's simply better Yeah, uh funny little journey into math there Uh, all right Thralls, I mean we got to just talk about thralls. It's time Okay It's true Um, I guess that is true. Joel Graham did point out another situation I hadn't thought about that one because I forget before the show because I forgot about the priest thing Uh, but if you curse with the soul scryer on a unit, then yes, you'd go to re-rolling ones But again, it's not like you're making a choice before the game you get to do this in every round So or in every combat phase. So just in case there's ever something Then sure in those edge edge edge edges of a corner of a corner Then yes go to weigh the depths, but otherwise it's way of the riptide All right, let's talk about thralls these these liquid hot murderers. I want to first start out by saying Screw you tom. That's number one. Just we're starting there Okay, tom's not even here this week. I'm coming in swinging on tom Because last week he was trying to defend uh He was trying to defend um Damonettes who cost more points than thralls and have a profile That does not look like what i'm about to read nor half a quarter A sixth of the synergies. Okay Hmm So thralls six inch move one wound five up save seven bravery good stuff And the champ gets an extra attack cool beans Pretty normal stuff two attacks base three threes neg one one damage. So a unit of 10 of them makes 21 attacks easy peasy That magical magical two inch reach. That's right unfurl the banner behind me Mission accomplished as we saw in the box. There it is Yay Yeah, so they can reach over top of each other Add one to the attacks characteristic of this unit's uh land marie blades if the target has a wound characteristic of one So against other one wound things they go to three attacks each they make 31 attacks as a unit They are choppy choppy choppy Add one to the damage characteristic if the target has a wounds characteristic of three or more So you ideally want to be fighting these guys with like liberators That's your perfect thing slide right in there Get them vindictors in that's the that's the sweet spot Vandas and 15 vindictors. Love it. You're good. Absolutely 40 45 Let's see 30 41 attacks I know uh 15 Times 30 40 46 attacks. Sorry. There you go That that might be like the one unit that could win out in a weird attrition or if they didn't get Like if they were just kind of fighting against each other if somebody didn't come up and like Do negative save stuff or whatever to the vindictors? Okay. Yeah Because these guys are on a five up save All right, but they're 130 points So good So good obviously they're battle line So obviously you can take them in 10 20 or 30 Now it says two attacks on threes and threes. I don't even read it like that I'm just going to go ahead and read that as twos and twos because that's what it's going to be With your choice units you're trying to attack with whether that be because of Uh like low tan low tan and yep The storm idol on will do it storm idol on would be another one who can do it. Yep. Absolutely Uh, so you got multiple sources of plus one to wound now. They cannot get the achillian Plus one to hit Because they're not achillian Sad But obviously you can easily all out attack them or if you are running a turtle they can get plus one to hit from the turtle And the same And to save yes indeed and plus one to save Um, so I I will be interested to see if the nemarty heavy lists On balance end up including turtles like a turtle Because I do think it could like it could work really well to just kind of gum up the army And then your thralls just go chop everything around it. So I'm not sure I mean one is overpriced. The other is underpriced. So It works. You still get a good deal They probably deal too much damage The fact that they get buffs from everything And like they even get a five plus plus from high tide You can do that with low tan that still buffs them with a wound And or the shipwreck that we're going to talk about later like They're your cheapest screen.  Like that two inch reach they change that change them like They didn't get the memo. Maybe they got the memo. They could not read it. They don't have eyes So that's the only thing that did not change in terms of damage on them I like the fact that they are they're slow In this book six inch run and charge whenever you when you want it And so So they lose mobility that the flyers have But they deal so much damage.  I did send you Uh, some damage. Yeah, let's look at the damage or thralls. Absolutely Yeah, and that is without the Plus two plus one hit plus one wound. I did not put that in nor the exporting. Here we go. There we go Oh, yeah, is this reverse or is this meant to be Thralls that you should say 30 thralls. I if I wrote 30 reverse You should say 30 30 old reverse 20 new reverse one more. There's one more Oh, I see. Okay. Sorry 30 reverse. I got it on the average damage comparison table. Yes Okay, I got it. I got it up now. Sorry. I missed which one it was Yeah So if you look at that This damage is wackadoo, man. This is wild stuff and remember They can be in dumb hain where they can like fight Blow the thing away. They're fighting charge Do it again all on asf. Okay continue Yeah, this is not the plus one to hit plus one wound exploding sixes This is unbuffed like the rest like you see there the sharks two sharks three 30 You see the morse are charging three 90 and then you see the 30 Thralls three 90 same points as the eels That red skyscraper looming over the rest That's thralls Not all 30 will fight, but who cares especially when you buff them with a plus one hit or plus one wound Right that thing is gonna skyrocket so hard I that's yeah It's too much It is too much.   So yeah Yeah, like thralls are again Keep in mind. This is all 30 fighting But if you had 20 fighting which it is quite reasonable for you to get 20 to fight against some units Because they're two entry Then you're easily going to hit similar numbers When they're on twos and twos and then keep mind again, the dude can be right around there behind them going Hey, also sixes or double taps, which is going to be a lot Of extra hits You know, so like it's it's just It's because you're you're making 41 attacks with a unit of 20 against a unit of three or more So you're talking two damage attacks Coming in with 41 attacks sixes or double taps. So you're getting six extra hits there they're on twos twos neg one two damage for galsas Uh So it's a lot of damage, uh crazy horse. This is just from stats Stats hammer if you go to stats hammer a os stats hammer if you just search a os stats hammer You can put in you have to program in all the units, but it's it will generate these visuals Yep So, um Yeah They're real good. And yes, again, they can have Easy bonuses to hit to wound sixes double tap fight twice always strikes first five up ward Right like it's just potential Will they ever be in the perfect situation where they have all of these? I mean, yeah, sure sometimes rarely maybe it doesn't matter. They don't need Every one of them right They the point is there's so many synergies. They're just bathed in That they're going to get enough to do the work Right. Yeah There's a question. What's their damage against one wound enemies? Still a lot I didn't I didn't send it because I could not fit all of them. Right still quite a bit quite a bit Shockingly high is the answer Still not this high because the two damage certainly sparks it up a bit, but but it's still really high Um, yeah Again, especially if you factor in any of the other bonuses they almost certainly will have Because this army is incredibly resilient to losing its buff pieces because of things like forgotten nightmares Right or the or the ritual or stuff like that It will be quite easy for them to be on a four plus save ignore and two Maybe or even rent three at some points with cover and with a turtle And even with a spell that ignores red like worsen's rend There are ways to keep them safe But like I said, even if even if they kill them, who cares there are 130 points You will have more if you want to play heavy namari Yeah, I I have to wonder if like the 10 wound or sorry the 10 man Missile units don't also come into some effect, right? Where you can just have like lots of 10 man skirmishing around just chopping. I don't know I I think that I think there's arguments for 10 20 or 30 in all regards based on certain lists You're you're you're depending on the other support pieces you build into your list Agreed Yeah Okay Uh Ziggy says cries in chaos warrior or chosen or knights or any unit. Yeah, you ain't wrong there ziggie Uh, my god, these guys just like Yeah, it's not a great day. Okay Uh Cool. So yeah thralls are super scary. That's the take home point Uh, yes, uh spark hero next week. We're talking about the angry naked ginger baby dwarves Uh, okay Nomarty reverse 170 points Now just simply with the whisper bow single profile two attacks 18 inch range threes threes nag 11 So lost kind of extra stuff. Um, they're Their champion gets a bonus melee attack exactly what I was hoping for for christmas. Thank you You do get plus one to hit if you're within, uh, nine inches of your target. Um, see you Yeah, you natively go to twos and threes Um This is probably more where shooting should be. Let me just say that this kind of cost Uh And Yeah, I don't I don't hate these guys. I think they can still have a place There's so much other that's good here, but I think these guys are still perfectly valid Yeah, which This feels like we're shooting should exist. Sorry. Go ahead. Yeah So, no, I'm think like I love reverse. They've been my MVP for a while now Like, uh, it's the only unit I've ever painted 60 of 60 reverse. No, that's not true. I have painted 60 blood reverse But they're also reverse. Yeah, so there you go. Look at that. You only paint 60s of reverse. Yes, correct So, um, they're probably still perfectly fine With their shots, uh, two shots of 18 inches is pretty good with an eight inch move Three set threes run one The 170 means that 20 of them cost 340 the the old war scroll was 115 per 10 But 30 reverse used to do as much damage as they do now 20 of them basically you just lost 10 models. You need to paint 10 less And you lost 10 wounds That if you're getting if your rivers get hit, what's happening to the rest? So fine, whatever And if they can they can go to twos and threes Which is nice And the thing is they used to be amazing the thing that we saw with the Uh, with the thralls earlier That's how rivers were after sure of the deep That's how they were like two zeroing ones To hit and choose to wound The difference between that and today's twos nor rolling ones threes is 35 percent efficacy 35 percent means for every three models that you have One lost its way so It's 65 percent damage of what they used to do and they used to deal too much damage So they're probably good. They're in the losers of the book. They had to be They don't get they they don't get buffed by the wounds thing and that's a good thing. I think like like I said I've only been asked not to bring Archeon And if you're one player once in summer And then I was asked can you not bring rivers? and I was saying Yeah, I wasn't gonna bring them anyway Because I I saw the writing on the wall was he like I I picked up a low town like three weeks ago For three dollars your your currency You can see the writing on all some things so Yeah, I did sell 30 of them actually I did sell 30 rivers Amazing. So Yeah, because I I wanted to sell 20 by the person wanted 30 like okay. There we go. They're lovely And I love the uh, I love the fact that we've just decided that these kind of shooting units in the game are 170 Sentinels 170 bliss barbs 170. Uh, we're gonna talk about or a curse guard next week 170, right? Like just this is it folks. This is what shooting units like this cost now. They're 170 We've just priced them all 170 Yeah, but they're still wild inequity between the efficacy of those different units yep So yes, these guys did lose a lot of this energy now that they have none There's still some out there, of course, like they can still get the five book word They can still get um plus one to hit uh off of the turtle that still works on them, right? So Yep, they can still get Running and shooting is fine Yep, they can still run and shoot So there's still a lot of different synergy around them It's just not as much to put them as you mentioned onto the like mathematical paradigm where they were Just darkening the skies before, right? Yeah And I'm thinking like if this four scroll was another book inside another book it will be picked up A lot Right not in this one Not as much it feels Finally, we end on the gloom tide shipwreck You can set it up when this faction train feature consists of two scenery pieces when you set it up You can set it up up the two scenery pieces touching so making one boat Or you can set them up more than three inches from each other so Anywhere that isn't right next to each other like on each side Right if you set them up touching they form one large gloom tide If you set them up more than three inches from each other they form two small gloom tide Which is then going to matter with how many people you can garrison So that's what that's going to mean Defensible If it's a small gloom tide Then it can be garrisoned by up to five eidneth deep kin models with a wounds characteristic of five or less That do not have mounts if it's a large one It's 10 eidneth deep kin models with a wounds characteristic of five or less that do not have mounts And then importantly guardians the deep eidneth deep kin units that do not have a mount Which is not a lot of different units by the way a lot of mounts in this While they are wholly within six of this terrain feature um They get a five up ward as long as there are no enemies Also within three inches of the shipwreck because that turns it off. Let's say enemies. So allies beware Oh, this is true. Yeah, you know, you're right No, yeah, you can't have non eidneth deep kin standing within three inches of the thing That's interesting Now obviously this is why I talked about earlier I mentioned we mentioned the artifact in the ishran list where you can just throw out a shipwreck Which does give you the potential to like You know ship to block ship to block throw a ship forward where all your thralls are going to be They all huddle around the boat And now they've got like a five up ward in case something turns against you or whatever right if you don't win the priority Like it kind of there's some interesting ways you can set up Um with the the bonus boat if you want but in general, you know, it's a boat that gives you a five up ward That's going to be the play so Yep, so There you go Uh And yeah, I mean if you don't have what you're going to put in a small shipwreck is just characters For reasons I guess Because you want even more protection against shooting you want to just really just make sure that under no Universe can anyone ever hurt you with shooting?  Yeah, okay So you brought us two sample lists tyler. I'm interested. I want your flash feedback on these lists. Okay, so here we go Uh The first one I did is the one drop and then the second one is the many drop Constantino so Constantino's wrote these lists. So take us through the list Uh, the first one is obviously iron rack as you mentioned earlier. So take us through it You want to walk us through this or do you want me to read the units? You'll see them in a moment, I guess, right? Yeah, they'll come up. It should be up now You might be a a few seconds behind But yeah, so I'll read them real quick while you're catching while yours is catching up Achillian king with of course the bladed pole arm an unstoppable fury armor the scythe And void shell darkness the build we talked about earlier low tan the man The idol on of math land the aspect of the sea so our sea boy with the steed of tides Six more star guard three more star guard 10 thralls Two sharks and what is this sneaking in but two dracothean guard fulminators All wrapped up in a battle wretch for one drop boy those storm casts they get around even under the ocean So what's your general plan here You're asking tyler or me now, sorry you you yes you you constantly let's go. What's your general plan? I did put the fulminators in because I had them. I wanted I wanted to use them And this is a list that I made after a couple of days of reading the book and It's 1965 which means that plus one wound I would be able to be probably used Right at 1965 And again like a three plus two two plus is 25 more damage So you would like that it's iron rack the one that I that caught my johnny interest The stick it move you Like I was thinking about 10 thralls. I'm just gonna start with the fulminators It could be 30 thralls instead Because 230 points plus 35 points. It's 30 thralls at 1995.  Whatever it is turn one I killed a stone horn just because I could Right, I gave away the turn They like literally inched closer And then I could hit everything I wanted A turn one and killed that stone horn with those six eels If there's a smaller target you want to go you can just send the three morsar in Why not it's still like 10 damage to a three plus something like that You will have the idle on teleporting around giving like spreading the Minus two saves Which is pretty cool Low ton can be sent wherever you want it so you get the plus one wound on everything The alopexes will shoot it can shoot anything at 24 inches I didn't like the fulminators for the mortal wounds. It's something that the army is missing generally So that's why I got it like everything in this list hurts Like and you get to lose stuff and you don't mind you lose two sharks You have nine eels left Like the thralls are behind the fulminators are behind the achillian king is waiting for his turn turn two So when I when we played the game and I won priority at turn two I actually gave it away because my opponent was ready to concede Because you would stand the fact that there are now so many sharks and eels and the king on the board With the thralls just biting their time And so I gave it away and he killed the six eels. I'm like, oh no, what am I gonna do? Turn two the achillian king comes in on high tide being crazy with fury with extra attacks Fighting first on d3 the idle on again will give the minus two saves Or give a mystic shield going on whatever So what I'm doing on this one is basically Playing with sort of a scalpel. Yeah, I'm threats and I'm like, all right.  I didn't use the can be shot because against the ogres is what you didn't need anything else Yeah I brought the armor of the sitha even though he didn't have any sixes And so, yeah, well the zingy I did bring the fall natives because I wanted to paint the spears I'm on my non-metallic medals part of the This is a nice spear. I can paint it and I painted side took him to sue me But again, if you want to play against 30 thralls, I can leave the two horses at home Sure, so, yeah But yeah, what's funny about this to me is everything in this is a threat Yeah, everything There's nothing like What you get low ten is He's like he's not gonna be visible. He's never gonna be in the front. Actually, he's not gonna get shot You can put him somewhere that he's not alone. He's not visible. So you cannot actually cast spells on him The idol on will never die. That's something we didn't mention before it's like Like xerxes whipping the helispont 2500 years ago because you broke it the river broke its bridges That river is still there that that part of water is still there 2500 years later Because that thing will heal d3 from the spell From casting a spell. It has another d3 Actual healing spell. It has the heroic action of bravery of ten. You can even have the life swarm That's five d3 maximum.   This is a stone horn. We're talking here That's that's the like the sonar 13 wounds. This has 12 But it heals like crazy. This thing will never die So Everything like you said is a threat either direct or uh through buffs Yep, so like like my right now my right now competitive list If there was a I would probably take something like that. I'd have to ponder the idea of the Fulminators or the thralls. That's it. I do like the sharks and Maybe 20 rivers would be able to make the cut for more shooting But for now the sharks are fine So this is what eidnath do they can be anywhere they want They're super fast and the damage that you get to decide do can be off the charts How do you think this would do against what you would consider a competitive really top competitive thunder list or list? Um, that's that's the idea about the reverse because they already have damage one so The fact that All your damage do goes down to one Or your d3 goes d3 minus one that hurts And yet running the numbers especially with the eidolon because if you play thunder lizards, how what's their unbinding? How good is it? With the with the spell negating saves You will still be able to crack those shells when I played against Like a three three lizards thunder lizards list a couple of weekends ago um I literally went and killed everything else skinks heroes Whatever there was left those three guys with the fallen leaders I'm like, it's your turn. You will shoot the fallen leaders and I don't care So I literally cleaned the board from everything else Um, they he had like three big dinos Sitting around looking kind of silly So how you that's how you should play this one Makes sense. Yeah, right. So when I look at this list has been said you have it's all threats essentially and it's very fast and you have a couple of things that give you the ability to Turn off shooting so you can choose the ritual and then you have the armor that this is the satai Which is amazing And we we've talked a lot about that and the benefit that that provides in terms of the kellingkeen being able to turn off mortals that are parking on sixes and then safe stack pretty well to A lot of you know, it mostly it's minus two rent as good as it's going to get and that's long strikes So that's generally the most you're going to have to worry about otherwise. It's a lot of minus one rent cuticators nickbos Busteladons and so on so I would think like one of my base concerns about maybe this is Be careful what you wish for and that yeah, we need a correction to the meta I do worry that this is too hard of a rock to the scissors in that Just with the basic pattern that i'm seeing of these armies that you can build You have you have this natural pattern of round one. I turn off shooting, right? And that particularly if you can let your opponent go first like if you go with one drop That might be a really good reason to go one drop so that you let them go first They then have to decide whether what they're going to do they're probably going to do much in terms of Impacting you killing killing stuff Then bottom one you move up like you do an auto run six Maybe you have a run in charge, but you move things in the middle of the board Yeah, right and then if you double Like you could be in a position like you might be able to even give a way around to To where positioning was yeah, you've got enough in terms of your core Pieces you've got them screened out one thing you'd have to worry about is teleporting like 15 snakebos teleporting or Long strikes that were off the board coming in dropping in looking for a target You know a spot where they can target I think dragons might actually be one of the main challenges in terms of what we have on the meta right now Because the mortal wounds if they spike the mortal wounds they can fly over pretty good movement, etc but but anyway the point being that it feels like a lot of these lists you're just going to have the means of Having too many threats that will overwhelm a lot of these lists in the meta and and and and then the other side of this is Melee has sometimes been the counter like I've often heard Jordan talk about how many He's found with Ida net that it's melee armies and obviously mortal we're magic Which we talked a lot about but other good melee armies can be the challenge Against Ida net I worry that that equation may have changed a little. I don't know. I'd be curious to see how that plays out I don't know if you have any thoughts on that in particular This in relation to melee army other melee armies are are these guys Like going to trump a lot of the other melee armies in the meta with what you're seeing right now I'm first of all the the thing about dragons and thunder lizards And all the rest of the things that you said are the the problems in the meta And eradas are not that far away Like when we're talking about what are you going to do about dragons? The answer is well, what can anyone do about dragons apart from Fixing fix nothing. They're fixing at some point As for the being Deep strike behind your lines. What you said is the important bit. What are they going to shoot? Everything works. There is no back line There's no back line there. Like everything is a threat. Everything can work Technically independently because your buff pieces move so fast 14 inches or teleport with big bubbles so you don't really mind that part and I have never had trouble with melee armies Exactly because you can put the hurt wherever you want like if melee alpha strike Is a problem for eidnath, which I don't think it's going to be but mileage may vary You can turn the tides and have high tide high tide on turn two so Um, yeah, I tried some things. I like nerdle. I had my friend say you have 10 blightlords on your lord of fiction Just just rush me. I want to see what happens. Yeah, that's a great example. Yeah. Yeah So I try things like that. I am seen and One thing that I think is important is you do see a lot of seraphon. You do see a lot of starcast But eidnath are not an existing army In the sense of it. It was there before age of sigmar people have had seraphon for a long time They have been old seraphon players that are now new You don't really see that many like this um saturation of armies Doesn't exist when we're talking ko for example or eidnath This is a new army and apart from players that are flavor of the month players They're gonna be like, okay. This is the new filth Right They're not the good the good players. You know what I mean Like there will be some but those really good players have their own armies that already play and they're already feeling comfortable with So in that sense It's gonna be a great meta choice But it's um It's not a niche exactly But at the same time it is sort of a niche army like lumineff. You might say it's a new army, but there used to be high elves in warhammer so I'm feeling that there won't be a There might be a little bit of a rush because everything works in this army but That's my feeling I'm feeling that they've always been gatekeepers and that's what this army is going to be It's going to be a great gatekeeper army and for those who love it and I do I love eidnath They will have a fantastic set of tools at their disposal. Yeah I want to make sure we talk about the other list too here before we call it a day Because you also built kind of a fun list for us, right? One that's a little more a little more on the just kind of hey casual Side where you've got some interesting stuff going on So this list is your nautilar list So here again, we've got the aspect of the sea up top. We've got the achillian thrall master We've got low tan 10 thralls 10 thralls 10 thralls turtle turtle emerald life swarm Uh, so we've got a a little hero clutch You know our standard three by 10 thralls As a as chaff slash, you know perfectly capable punch and then two big turtles To go behind him Yep, I I did make this list as a fun one like I mean I have a second turtle that's unpainted It's not even prime, but it's built And I was looking at it like can you make a two turtle list because three turtle lists? I don't think so but two turtles could be fun Like fun not taking to a tournament, but take it to a one day Yeah There are 30 thralls in this and we already talked about the thralls And suddenly you have the things that everything buffs them here So the thrall master gives them exploring sixes the turtles give them plus one hit and plus one to save Brought an gives them plus one a wound and another ritual when they need it And I thought what if we put the second spell as an enhancement? So I did put Uh arcane tome and the thrall master, which I think is a good choice actually for the thrall master their tome So the idol on has steed of tides for the teleport itself or the two heroes and also pressure of the deep which is the Take that model and kill it on a roll of more than its wounds While the thrall master has the corrosion minus one rend so you get to have And his thralls fight something that's minus one to wound and minus one to rent If you want to give them a little bit of more defense And also counter current so No charge no have charge and have run rolls on something So all four lore spells are there and The it's the endless sea storm command rate So if that If that aspect of the sea does cast spells on a seven up It gets to go on so you go Seed of tides pressure of the deep mystic shield arcane bolt metamorphosis emerald life swarm and then The clawing seamists and the tsunami of terror. Look at that. It's three o'clock in the morning here. I did remember all of them Good job. You got it. Like that's how deep he can go if he keeps rolling them sevens Yep, you can go on and so A lot of spells in a list with two big monsters and with 10 three times 10 infantry sort of mixed arms Not too much shooting. No, never mind. There are 16 shots on d3s from the turret There is actually shooting there And the turtles are in hunters of the heartlands because they're no longer b-moths their battle line So you cannot roar them or you cannot do whatever Monsters actions do but they do get the minus three rend And So And the life swarm is there to bring back thralls or to heal the turtle Which the idling and seal heal the turtle. That's something that aiden has lacked healing So that's that's nice. Nice to have again. It does help with the resiliency. We see we resilience we talked about So and yeah, that's it Nice, it's a fun. Yeah, I like it. It's great for people who want to run two turtles. I think this is a I think this is a nice Look at what that could look at what that could be. Right? I think it's really fun. It's still got some interesting punch It's gonna have some fun It's as you said, it'll look cool on the table like super cool as right because you got your big idol on guy You got two big turtles.  Absolutely They're they're the little remora hanging on to the big giant great white as it were. Yes Exactly. Yeah Awesome. All right. Yeah. Well, this was really good overall. I think yeah, you know, very interesting book I'm happy to see the internal balance really improving in the book slot Like I said, we've still got some stuff we got to take care of with stormcast but if you look at a lot of the armies like They nailed iron jaws out the gate and ruined it with the big change, but it was perfect out of the gate You look at nergal you look at at this book, right? You see good internal balance I do worry a little about the fact that this book is on the higher end of the power curve And then be it probably being catapulted by the fact it's hitting like it's perfect meta Right. Yeah, where it's just showing up with a lot of answers but Time will tell I am happy about the book overall. It doesn't feel badly designed. I'll say that The points costs I don't really look at a lot of them and say they're way out of line except for the thralls are too cheap Levi Don's a little too expensive. Most of the rest of the stuff feels pretty right Aspect of the sea might be a tiny bit too low aspect of the storm might be a tiny bit too high They probably need to like meet in the middle somewhere It's but it's a little stuff, right? It's a little stuff. Nobody's nobody's like dragon stormcast dragon initial launch points wrong We should mention some allies by the way because that pool changed What's that? Mention some of the allies. They're happy to change it. I didn't even look at it.  What is the allies? Uh, sigmar daughters of kane lumenath stormcast and sylvanath Uh-huh. So lumenath are in cities of sigmar used to be only elves Now it's all of them so My choices have been obviously fulminators The good choice to do some mortal wound Damage and they're quite ambivalent and they deal a lot of damage fulminators or whatever You know, everyone knows them now And I aether wings are always nice if you just never walk a shot Just really make sure I do like a valenoir I do like him as the replacement monster for the turtle Just say because he gives minus one to hit on everything within 12 so it's nice And also his five attacks or six attacks damage five or damage six whichever way it is They have rend one which is the issue as I understand And now you can be put in an army where rend might not be that important or save stacking might be kind of Yeah, where hit where that rend one can still actually do work.  They can't go down in the ocean So it's you know to literally the separation of the horizon, you know There's nothing they can do to get in there. They can't be friends with each other Frost are Very good choice for the mind So what else is there? I know that people love their silveness screens from the revenants. They're very cheap Shadow warriors were always nice. You can just put something wherever you want Phoenix I know rob was talking about using uh like heart renders in a list just to hold for a drop They can be off-board and just you know more more drop movement potential I do think that as you mentioned tree revs for the toot toot, right something like that. Yeah, there's there's potential For I don't think like that the cheap ally I don't know it will But they can so that's nice, but they can so I mean doc coming out Uh, let's say in two months Or three months for the skamin Yeah, no, sorry never mind. Let's do let's do two months for for doc and night haunt and then Three months. Let's go early. It's an early summer. That's what I want So for the summer it's always nice. No, I think Yeah, it's great book great book Let's build his dream. Definitely. It really is.  You like building lists I think you're gonna be very happy with this book like very very happy with it All right, buddy. Oh good if you like And you're feeling sad Try out like that. That was my you're a fan of corner slanesh But want to play a better version of both of those armies Go over to wet elves True. There you go There All right, everybody. Well, thank you so much. Constantino's buddy I was so happy to have you on to do this and whenever they do release corn rest assured We will be bringing you back. So you're you're you're up for that one as well Uh, all right. Thank you everyone so much for watching. Don't forget hit like hit subscribe Do all those fun things? Uh, also, don't forget the patreon is up and live So you can go check that out if you want to support the channel new merch in the merch store Don't forget to to have your vote cast in the team tyler versus team tom uh That will continue We will we will return a a final winner at adepticon.  All right Also, don't forget. We're gonna be live at adepticon if you're there that is to say We will be doing a show in front of real human beings with an audience So look forward to that At 10 p.m at adepticon 10 p.m central time Thank you everybody so much for watching super fun reviewing this book And next week we will be talking fire slayers, but uh until then As always We'll see you next wednesday


You're welcome back. It's time now for Off the Press where we look at the headlines on the front pages of our national dailies. Today we'll be looking at basically two newspapers, The Punch and The Guardian. And if we're able to lay our hands on another one, we will continue to bring you the headlines. But for now, we're being joined by our usual guests on this day, architect Ezekiel Nyaito, a public affairs analyst. I hope he's talking to us from Aquivom this morning. Good morning and welcome to the program, sir. Hi, good morning. Nice to hear. You're talking to us from Aquivom, right? No. I need to follow that way. Okay. Alright, so you have missed the happy hour for this week. Alright. Now, let's begin with what's on the Punch newspaper. The leading headlines is Contributory Pension. NLC retirees lament as 26 states fail to join scheme. And the writers on that story are that Lagos, five others in full compliance, Contributory Pension scheme inevitable, says Pencom. And then withholding pension immoral, says NLC. Retirement now dead sentence, retirees kick. Let's hear your comments on this headline, please. Okay. The issue of pension, I don't think that our government really understands and appreciates the concept of pension. The concept of pension is not to give government money, but to know that after somebody has worked for a certain number of years, he stops working when it is agreed that he can no longer be effective and efficient at working for more reasons than what. What that means is that that person has to have a certain means of livelihood that can continue to have a reasonable life till the end of time. So the bottom line in pension scheme is the welfare and the well-being and the appreciation to a great extent of the effort that these people have put in over the past almost 30, 35 years. But what do we find? We find a situation where there is such a factory lack of transparency. There is no good conscience towards the management of the funds of the people in the larger interest of the workers. Rather, the workers have to so far to be able to get their pension and their gratuity. Now over the years, when there have been these deductions from the salaries of the workers, the government deducts the money that they do not transmit the deductions to the pool, which is what we have even in the area of national housing funds. You have people having their deductions made religiously that when you go back to ask for the money that you have so that you'll be able to do certain types of businesses or even if you don't want to do businesses, you'll be able to have that money-generating income for you and you'll feed on the proceeds for the rest of your life. Those things are not there. As a result, workers are starting to ask themselves some very technical questions, one of which is, what's the wisdom in my continuing to be a part of this business? And they want to opt out. I know what it took them of us to be able to be part of the realignment of the national housing fund so as to buy the buy-in of different states to come back to the scheme. And right now, there is that related transparency so so many states are starting to come on board that this contributory pension scheme, I think that the way forward is for the government to be able to let all the workers know why it is in their better interest for them to continue to contribute. Pension funds form a very, very, very large bulk of monies that can be deployed in ways that will guarantee return on the investment and the security of the funds, those two core functions. They are setting investments long-term infrastructural that it can do where such is guaranteed to be very, very transparent and accountable. So I think these are basically the concerns, the moments we start to see. Pension funds, what should be managed in the larger interest of the pensioners and not what you can use and get money from. And the workers have no great idea of how it's being run. I think those are just because I've interrogated very, very, very fast workers on this subject matter. And they just don't see the end from the beginning. The moment that is done is a scheme that is very necessary, absolutely necessary for every country. But it is a scheme that must be run based on confidence of the workers. Yeah, and I think it's not only the government that is to blame. Some private institutions as well, they deduct this money from their workers but they do not remit it to where they appropriate quarters so that these people can access their pension fund when they need this pension fund. But I'd also like you to remember that the government even borrows from pension money while the pensioners themselves do not have this money. It's weird. You see, this is the fundamental. Government should not primarily see pension as a source of funds for them. No, they should see it primarily as what you might need for a reward of a man that might not be able to work. Now, how does it think of you? How does it feel that a man gives safety of a woman, safety of 35 years of her or his life and at return it is blind. Does not have an idea of exactly what she has or what is possible. From time you must operate a very transparent system of communicating with the contributors. So, progressively they can see how their funds are building up also enlighten them on the possibilities of the utilization of those funds from their retirement so that they retire into comfort and, you know, the comfort is not in terms of, you know, uplift or luxury. There is that, you know, weight of little comfort. There is that assurance, there is that certainty that they can live the rest of their life with relative certainty on financials. So, and also any private sector that undertakes such the government must ensure that it is obligatory, mandatory, compulsory for them to create a platform of transparency where the workers that they deducted their salaries from see exactly what their entitlements are and put entitlements must be guaranteed by government policy. Well, talking about government, it brings us to the next headline here which is on the new boss of the anti-graft agency, EFCC. He says anti-graft war should start from the National Assembly. You remember he has just been given the nod, he has been passed by the National Assembly that he could be the chairman of EFCC. He has been confirmed as chairman of EFCC and the first statement he has made is that the fight against this corruption has to start from the National Assembly. We do hope that this will not put him in a bad light in such a way that he will be disgraced out of office as well because as one of the eggheads said, corruption has a way of fighting back because we've seen past EFCC chairs that have been disgraced out of office. Some of them we know that we were doing some investigations into matters that concerned very big names in our country and for instance, Bauer, who is the immediate past, he has resigned how the conditions for that resignation we do not know but he's still in jail as it were, more than 100 days after he was put there which is not supposed to be 24 hours but 24 hours has dragged into months upon months. So this is what he has said. I do not know what your comments are on that. National Assembly should be the place that anti-grab war should begin. Do I use the word commentary as a remark? If you know how some of these things work, the president has a higher and higher prerogative. The National Assembly can only confirm. For him to, and after confirming, there's nothing they can do again. Okay, effectively. Do you know there was a station where the National Assembly refused to confirm an EFCC boss and the president refused to change the person and the person was there for over four years. The only difference is you call the person acting chairman and acting chairman is long. People who know the interview call the acting chairman. They continue to call the chairman post-off, confirmed or not confirmed. So for that guy to make that statement at the time where the National Assembly had the power to deny him and he told them that, I'm going to start from here. I think he's very, very bold and audacious and he probably knows what we don't know. And at the end of the day, he was still concerned. So even when you had the knife and the yam, you could not cut. Now that both the knife and the yam have left and because the chairman is the yam and the president is the knife so the president gave you this knife to cut the yam. And now that you've confirmed it, you have handed the knife back to the president so the yam is intact.  I said you can go back as a rat and eat that yam because officially they couldn't have done anything. No, you are right. All they need to do is do your very right because if you start to push it on them they will now go back as a rat by threatening the president with impeachment if he does not remove it. So there are many ways or threatening with the law of the budget or threatening so they can actually go back as a rat. The life you want to go back as a rat where you had the knife to cut the yam but there was really nothing to cut because the guys had done nothing to them but I think it was very bold of him, very audacious for him to say it in front of them there and then before the confirmation that this battle will start from here. And on a serious note I found that quite reassuring and people say talking too that the Bible says a man is ensnared by the words of his mouth say it. When I talk to people just say it. That's some thing, you know. Hello.  I lost your audio for a moment. I effectively landed that. I thought you wanted to check another item or something. No, no, no. Okay, but we can go to another headline still on the National Assembly. Now we've seen some kind of brouhaha within the National Assembly but the Senate president has visited the president and said there is no conflict at all in the National Assembly. So this headline is saying Acquabio, that is the Senate president, meets Tinobu, dismisses crisis in the Senate. Remember that a few days ago one of the assembly members, not assembly, the Senate members staged a walkout because of what happened in the National Assembly and now he's saying... Being the one that overruled was not being overruled. So I don't know. Do you believe that what Acquabio is saying is really true? Don't you see a crack of some sort in the National Assembly? You see, sometimes we over essential and personalize certain issues. Politics is a game of interest and intrigue. There's a saying in our language that you know, this might not be understood by the young people because it's no longer a tradition. In those days, the tradition was for the father to marry a wife for the, especially the Akpan which is like the first son. That was the tradition then.   And if I will notice, unlike... Oh boy, look at this one. He started to look at my wife for a better married wife for him so that he will leave my wife alone. You understand me? So if the Akpan does not pretend to be looking at the father's favorite wife, the father may not marry a wife for him. So sometimes some of the intrigues that you find in the National Assembly is not an account of a crisis but to create a negotiation platform. And sometimes the negotiation that they have in mind has not even come to the fore yet. But you know, politicians are very, very... Let me use the word crafting. They are what I believe was described, I think it was the one that is described instead of as an evil genius.  I hope they can bring such level of ingenuity into governance. Politians know how to win elections. They know what to do. I'll tell you this. One of my friends was telling me of a guy that was extremely popular and was sure of winning an election. So what they did was overnight before the election, they jumped his friend, you know, they sprinkled a plot of a goat, you know, near the fence. And testing in the morning, 6 a.m., they saw this out with police men that the man was carrying out rituals and they should go and see that blood somebody... So they went and actually saw the blood so they took the man for interrogation. The man was there for interrogation until the election was over. And at the end of the day, the results came back, the proposed results. Okay, sorry we have done a research on it and we discovered that it's not a human blood, but a blood of animal. So sorry, you can go. He was released to go to a guesswork, a lesson not finished. And the opponent had won. So you can see how ingenious that politicians can be and then the same applies in the National Assembly. So I wouldn't be one of those things that there are any cracks in the National Assembly. Rather, I would say that the gains of interest are playing out. I would like to commend the Senate president is a very huge stepping in managing the situation. Don't forget that this guy was by Governor for eight years. And within that period, if you go back to a quiet room today, he remains, apart from architecture, that is loved naturally for more reasons than what. Outside of that, there's a certain charisma and charm that Mr. Fabio brings to the table. And he does that, and he's also a man that reaches out. You'll be surprised that at night he goes to visit you. So he won, he had a woman himself to the heart of the people, that would not stop politicians from bringing things, don't go their way, and there's no way that things will go everybody's way. Okay, politics, talking about politics, we're going now to Ando Stitt as it is. Ando Assembly asked Ayode Tiwa to withdraw suits. The deputy governor of Ando Stitt has been on the fire, even though we don't know where the governor himself is, he's whereabouts we don't know, and lawyers have come out to say that the constitution gives him that power, or at least doesn't stop him from governing the state from anywhere. So he can be in the UK, he can be in America, he can be in China or Afghanistan, and govern the state. So that is what the constitution allows, according to some of the legal luminaries that we've had talking. But right now, because of the intervention of the APC National Executive Committee or the National Working Committee, the assembly members are not talking about impeachment anymore, but right now they are telling the deputy governor to withdraw all the suits that he instituted in the courts. Yeah, you see, the Bible says that all things are lawful, but not all things are expedient. I find it very lame, the argument that you can govern from everywhere. Of course you can govern from everywhere. And then you should ask yourself is that the best in the interest of the generality of the people? Is government about you or about the people? You know, we have brought ourselves levels in this country where Nigeria is one man responsible and then your state is one man called your government and we live for 4 to 6 80 years on the wings and caprices of that one person. And it doesn't move either 200 million people as the president or depending on the population in your area, five women about a little over several million people. And that's wrong. That's not okay. Now we all human, we're all human and we know that anybody can be incapacitated health wise and we pray for people to get their health back for more reasons than one. Apart from dominance, the government needs to have to enjoy his life as a healthy person. But if for any reason in the interim there is this situation what should you really do with all good conscience? It's clear that if you do unto others as you would have others do unto you if you were on the other side of the case how would you feel if a man is incapacitated one way or the other? And then you insist on being there and I think the National Assembly should actually go back and look at this concept of joint speaking this concept of vice president or deputy governor and make sure that they make that office to be effective and functional. And if when you are a deputy governor you should also know that your primary objective is supported we know the administration of good love, Jonathan we don't remember who was there we talk of the administration of the immediate past president President Buhari we talk of the administration of OBJ so you as a deputy governor you must know that that is not your administration it's the administration of your principal so you must give your principal the highest level of loyalty even when he's not on the pitch you don't go and show on you ambition and then start to pass on this way out of this loyalty but is this really ambition? when you were held incapacitated will you be happy? I don't know is this really ambition if the governor is absent and there is a deputy governor it is believed that he should step into the shoes and do the needful but this seems or it keeps looking like there are people who know that if the deputy governor steps into those shoes maybe there are some things that he shouldn't know and they don't want the state to be governable for him they want the governor wherever he is to still be at the helm of affairs so that they can control whatever is happening because the governor cannot can't super intend over things when he is not present so there are people who are doing that for him and it's not the deputy governor should this even be if the deputy governor can be treated like this what's the point of having a deputy governor and not just have AIDS that you can send? let me tell you something one of the laws that we should have in my opinion is that if you have been a deputy governor you cannot participate in an election that comes immediately after your turn off when we do that we will start to have deputy governors that concentrate on the work because deputy governors rather than supporting their leaders as a springboard for them to launch their ambition so what I want to propose and I want National Assembly to consider is that if you have been a deputy governor you cannot participate but in running that office if your your principal goes for a second term and wants to continue with you no problem but know that when you complete your AIDS you cannot run for the office of the governor until a tenor has expired if they do that then deputy governors will concentrate on supporting their principals which is supposed to be their primary role and there will never be a time where you step into your shoes as a deputy governor even when your principal is incapacitated you step into his shoes except by way of death where you can now be the one not to go for resignation but so long as that man is still alive even in his feet the shoes are not yours the shoes are not in next shoes but can this thing happen in other climes where you are outside your state for so long because of illness and you still hold on to power that is incapacitation as far as I'm concerned you cannot see I understand and you're still there clinging on to power why are we like this let me tell you because we do not see governance as a platform of studies we see it as a platform of reward what am I talking about there are two set of people number one is the principal himself and number two is the people that were responsible for bringing him into office so even when the principal is incapacitated those who brought him to office who are having an understanding with him don't want another person to come in and that is why we need to interrogate our electoral processes cabal why must we allow people to kill themselves to become governments why can't we as individuals simplify this process but ok look at America I keep giving this example Donald Trump is a globally acknowledged felonier in dollars you and I know that the abstract Americans were constituting their 5 dollars their 10 dollars their accounts were being shown and on a weekly basis they were constituting money to run the elections as a result Donald Trump cannot say to you guys that I brought out my money the powerful group the lobby group is supposed to be a law that limits how much people contribute to elections but you know that is absolute I don't even know I don't want to use an offensive word why do we have laws that just don't make any difference they tell you that as a governor you cannot spend more than say 5 billion initially it was only 1 billion and you know that I have run government I know how much personal money I brought in you know that you are looking like boy scout what is that nobody is listening to what is 1 billion what is that you will send it over spending 2-3 billion in a private alright there is only one question from the Guardian newspaper we have seen politicians leverage electoral act loopholes to evade scrutiny that one is self-explanatory we have been talking about this all the time US vetoes UN resolution to ceasefire in the middle is allies snob Biden and China commits to refinancing competition of a but worries that Naira slums further to 1,100 Naira to a dollar in official market we have one minute to talk about this and go wrap up please let me tell you something sometimes I find something infuriated I find the thing to social very difficult because you have seen a car catching fire simple wisdom says bring fire extinguisher and turn off the fire they were sitting down and having conversations having discussions having all sorts of things to talk about the fire by the kind that we are through the houses or the car whatever is completely burnt down the issue of this Naira to show painful and safe forward question number one where is the problem where the demand the demand for dollar is the supply of dollar dollar exchange that we go up there is no other economy in the world I will tell you something different from what this simplistic architecture says what are we asking ourselves where do we get dollars from to be a number two how can we stop the demand for dollar simple where do we get dollars from and how do we stop the demand for dollar those two discussions let's take the second part how do we stop the demand for dollar why do we demand the demand for dollar let's be brief about it please and we will tell you number one speculation Nigerians are starting to exchange Naira for dollar to keep why are they doing that because they believe that the dollar is going to keep rising so that their Naira is going to become worthless and they are starting to justify that they are correct what will these Nairu God may do they will try to attack that mentality viciously by looking for ways to control and stop the further slide and then even give people the body language that is going to start coming down we may have to save this discussion that the dollar came down 900 to 700 we may have to save the discussion for another day architect because I think this discussion should take a whole lot of time than this but you have said the president we need to stop whatever we need to stop we need to make sure that the dollar doesn't you go another program time is too short but I'd like to thank you this morning for coming on the show we do hope to meet again next week on the show thank you so much thanks for the privilege we've been talking with architect Ezekiel Nyaito a public affairs analyst we were looking at the headlines our break will be very short when we return we'll be looking at the facts that 94% of elected offices are with tribunal and INX credibility has sunk to the lowest low stay with us


Hello, everybody. Andrea here. Let's talk about how to get ahead before you actually start your dental hygiene program. This is also the same for dental assisting programs as well. Probably a lot of healthcare programs, but just those are the ones that I'm going to be talking about specifically. So you're excited. You know, you're about to embark on a journey where schooling is going to be very tough. You might even be taking an accelerated program where you have limited breaks, but you actually finish school quicker. This is what happened to me. I took an accelerated 18 months program many, many moons ago. I've been a dental professional for about 18 years now, but how do you prepare for your program before you get started? So what I suggest doing, honestly, you guys, is enjoying the time you have before you start the program. If you do a search on my YouTube channel, you will find some videos about like tooth numbering, how to really know the different teeth, the different types of teeth, the different directions, things like mesial distal lingual buckle to explain the front surface of the teeth, the back surface, the insides, the outsides. Okay. That would be the one thing that I would suggest reviewing because what I find they do in your program is they're going to talk about that for five minutes. And if you have no dental knowledge or no dental experience in a dental office, you're going to be very overwhelmed because you have to know, of course, the different teeth numbers and the different types of teeth to really move forward. And I find they go through that the quickest. But overall, you guys enjoy the time you have before your program because what I find happens is students want to study as much as they can before the program so they get ahead. So you might know anatomy is one of your classes oral pathology and maybe clinical prevention, something like that.   So then your first day you're going to be so anxious so worried. It's just not a good thing. I think teachers teach you first. Okay, I do offer a course called the dental Elf Student Academy, where I can actually be your teacher before you start the program. So if you're a very eager student, where you do want to get started before you actually start the program before day one. I can help you with that so I can go over the basics first where I'm teaching it to you, kind of like a video like this with PowerPoint but I'm teaching you. And you're not just simply reading a textbook reading chapters, I can actually teach it to you so you will be a step ahead if that is something you really want to do. Plus, inside the Student Academy, we have every single topic with every single module so if you know your classes for let's say the first semester. I can help you with any tests, assignments and projects you have so you literally have a tutor with you, every step of the way during your program that in my opinion is priceless. I don't know how things are now, but when I was a student I would have to pay I believe it was $60 to $70 per hour. If I wanted a teacher to tutor me after school, nobody can afford that so what we ended up doing if we need extra help because you will need extra help is a bunch of us would kind of sign up together. And the teacher would come in and help us after school so we would split the $70 per hour, but still, how about I help you guys so you're one step ahead, less stressed and less anxious so let me help you if that is something you want to do. But just to summarize the video, try not to get too hung up with learning everything before you even start the program it's better to have somebody teach it to you so you're not spending 10 hours studying anatomy before you even start anatomy, and then you're just overwhelmed confused. It's better to have somebody teach it to you, but definitely have a look inside the dental L student Academy, if you want help throughout your entire program. So I'm not helping you prepare for the board exam. I'm just helping you prepare for your studies while in school, the only tutoring course of its kind you have full access to me for two years literally 24 seven. We have a members only Facebook group as well. Let me know you guys if any questions and I'll talk to you guys very soon. I look forward to teaching everybody.