Coming live by the state of clean energy, and I'd like to do a shout out to our sponsor, the Hawaii Energy Policy Forum and also our funder, the Hawaii Natural Energy Institute. So I'm really lucky today to have the legacy found the legacy refoundations every two founders, the co-founders. I have Bill Coney. And I have Suzanne Oterra, and they're the co-founders. And kind of the tagline of this show is building reefs today to feed generations forever. So let's find out what that's all about. So first of all, Bill, why did you found the legacy refoundations? Tell us a little bit about that. That's a great question. I grew up in the islands and I remember as a kid what the marine life was like in the coral. And as I got older here, I realized that things were not going to be the same. When I retired about six, seven years ago, I realized that things had really taken a nose dive. And I'm not a scientist, I'm a technical person, but I realized there was a problem. And I came up with an idea of trying to go out and try to rebuild some of the reefs in front of where I live. Because I now have grandkids, and my thought was if I could maybe get a little patch of reefs to come back the way it was, I could take them out and show them Papa Willy's reef. So I started out as a dream. And through that process, I went to the state to get permits. I worked as a consultant with a company called, was it the Memorial Reef International, who was doing artificial reef building, and they were attempting to do in Hawaii. After a couple years of working with them, I realized that there was an issue out there far beyond just building artificial reefs. They've gone on doing a great job around the world. But working through the scientists that they had, I realized that there was a problem and that maybe we could fix it. They came to me and said, you're a business guy, we're scientists, let's work together. And so we, or I decided that point to try to build a coral restoration lab. During that time, I ran into Suzanne on a coral reef. That was my next question. Yeah, we ran into each other and we were both scuba divers and we were on doing a beach cleanup one day. And she was over here on vacation and had done coral restoration work. I thought that's fantastic, actually had experience. He's a retired physician, so she has a medical background.  So you got to do some triage on the reefs. That's exactly the case. So where did you get your experience on building reefs previously? I worked with the coral restoration foundation in Florida as a volunteer. Yeah, we're also in Florida. It's a nice spot. Yeah, it is a nice spot. I was actually considering moving over there and then doing a full time volunteering. Right. So I was scouting that area. And in between that scouting, I came here for a vacation and then found this opportunity to do it full time through, you know, from the ground up. Hey, excellent. Excellent. So one of the things I'm curious about is, you know, from your website, why will this feed people and generations in the future? I mean, what's the magic sauce about reefs? How do they do that? That's a great question. The issue is right now our reef are dying off. It's no surprise to anybody from what's seen the news. We've lost 60, 70% of the reefs around the world. But they also support the reef fish that are there, which support the larger fish. For us in Hawaii, it's unfortunate, but it's not life-threatening. We have Costco, we have places we can buy food to fish. But in villages and islands like Fiji and Samoa and then the South Pacific islands, the people depend on the reefs. I had a chance to talk with the prime minister of Papua New Guinea. And he said his number one concern was feeding his people because he'd lost all his reefs. So it's a serious problem. Our goal is to go down to these areas, take the technology that we've learned and perfect it here at this lab and basically open up coral reefs on there. So tell us about a coral nursery. I mean, how does that work?  We have a bunch of baby corals through the process of coral fragmenting, which is something that she learned to do in Florida. We take the really strong, resilient corals that are existing right now. After the bleaching events, whatever is left is sort of nature's cream of the crop.  And I think we have a picture here. If we could bring up slide two is a great representation of what it looks like. There we go. Look like chocolate chip cookies or like muffins. Just about. But they're little baby corals and they're doing great. And this is a shot of our lab manager down there, Andrea.  So that's the technology that we use. It's not that complicated. It's been around 20 years. What we're trying to do is make it practical and easy to do. So we have containerized lab modules that we'll be building. And we're looking to do this Fiji at Fiji first next year. And then beyond that, Sullivan Islands up in the Guinea or in Indonesia, Caribbean and eventually Mediterranean.   So do they like self-propagate or how do you get new strains in there? They do. But through the process of the coral fragmentation, basically what nature takes 20 years to do, we can do in two to three years. So granted, we cannot replace thousands of acres of reefs. But if we do pockets along the coastline, they will eventually grow together. So that's the idea. And also we're using these resilient corals. So they hopefully will stand the heating events, the Fiji events that we're going to see in the next 50 to 100 years. So what's the hope? I mean, are you seeing resilient coral out there? Are they kind of adapting and how do you find them? Well, after a bleaching event, whatever's left, we consider it the strongest of a bunch. So we take those to the fragmentation process. And also in our last, when you use techniques of spiking the heat during the day, we can actually make them stronger. And I call it assisted evolution. Our scientists don't like that term, but it is what I call it. It makes sense to me. But we speed up the process of evolution that's been doing for millions of years. Coral is resilient. And given time, it can adapt on its own. The problem we've seen the last 1500 years is these coral bleaching events are happening so fast and they're so intense, coral can't keep up with it. What is a coral? I hear coral bleaching. I think of Clorox or something like that. I mean, what causes it? I'll tell you what. I'm going to ask Susan to answer that. That's a good technical question. Yeah. So coral bleaching, the coral works is an animal and it has inside a microalgae. That gives it the color. And they work in symbiosis. So the microalgae does the photosynthesis and produces, depending on the species, I understand between 10 and 30% of their food, of the energy. So they're a vital part of the coral. And when the conditions are not right, that little algae just get expelled from the coral. So then the coral loses the color and they look white, which is just a skeleton. If that happens, just like when you're starved, you can handle no food for a little bit. And then if too much time goes by, then the coral dies. Okay. So basically, yeah, we've seen how you fix them. So can you tell us more about your program and how you're detecting these things? Yeah, absolutely. One of the things that we came up with, it was an idea or a way of evaluating products and services that are out there. And we realized besides the bleaching and the heat events that we're having to deal with, a lot of the stressors that coral see are man-made. In fact, the majority of them are. So when you add all that up, it becomes the problem for coral. We can't change the climate issues. We can't change what man does. So we come up with a program that we call the Reef Smart. And if you could pull up slide four, this is a certification that we will give a product or a service that we take the product and we evaluate it with scientists. And if we feel that it's something that's appropriate to be around reach and it won't harm them, then it's a product we will enforce. And there are companies that have services that are on land that have nothing to do with the water, but if their runoff can affect the water. So basically this is something that we want to look at for any product, any company, sunscreens, wetsuits and things like that. We've run across a wetsuit that is very reef safe and we've certified it as a Reef Smart product. One of the things we like about this is the extra flotation. It allows people to like prone. And if we could jump to slide seven. Sorry, we're jumping around. I'm sorry, not seven. Why don't you go to five and show. Yeah. What the problem is. And this is a big issue that we have in Hawaii besides the sunscreen issues. People, you know, naturally when they stand up, they're going to stand on live coral and it's, it's basically an harm. So when the floating wetsuit, and this is a company called Airtime Watertime, these wetsuits basically allow you to lie prone and that's very, very comfortable way to watch coral. It's very difficult to stand up. You can dive down. You can take a look at the coral just like you may have in your house, but it allows a snorkeler, particularly an inexperienced one to relax and feel comfortable and not stand on the coral. And again, because of the comfort level, there's less panic and they tend to enjoy the experience a lot more. So this is a particular product we've run across. We're endorsing with our program. We feel it's real important. We wouldn't love to see these wetsuits all throughout the state of Hawaii. So when we're prepping just before we started the interview, you're telling us about this West. And it also has some safety features that are really interesting. We've identified a PFD by the Coast Guard, but it doesn't give you a few pounds of flotation. And from my experience and an experience of clients have used it, it allows for a much more relaxed situation. And a lot of drownings happen because of panic. Even experienced divers, when they start to panic, you go downhill very, very quickly from there. And the experiences that we've seen with the people that use these wetsuits, that's just not the case. People are very relaxed. And even if they do completely panic or pass out, you generally will roll over and face up. So there is a degree of safety that comes along with the wetsuit that we're real thrilled about. Yeah, it sounds like a great thing to have. It is. I would think the Navy would be interested in that. For example, a man overboard situation. Yeah. If the guy's treading water, all you see is a head. But if you have the whole body and it's in, you know, like either a yellow suit or a red suit, they actually see them in the water. Right, right. And we have the adult suits of the red versions. And then if we could go to slide seven, it'll be a little bit more of a little bit of a, a slight variation that are bright yellow and blue. Yeah, there you go. So really easy to see your kids when they get in the water, but you're right. If somebody fell overboard, I've gotten into trouble. They're pretty. But again, it gives you a degree of safety, a degree of comfort and more importantly, protects the coral, which is the reason we gave it that the certification. So how long is the, how long you've been going on this project? I guess it'll be a three years in April, we met. actively at this for a little over two years out here. And it's been an exciting ride, it's been real interesting. So, have you deployed any of these? The nurseries? Or nurseries here in Hawaii? Not yet, not yet. We're looking to do one in Fiji, hopefully sometime this year, later in the year. It's a big project. In fact, if you wanna jump to slide eight, there's a rendering of what they will look like. We spent a great deal of time engineering this out and working with scientists and engineers. But what you see here is the tanks are basically the coral nurseries, that's where we grow our little babies. The tanks on either side, the containers on left and right are wet labs and dry labs where we do the actual cutting and work. And then we do the dry labs where we do the assembly and the concrete mixing. The container on the backside is sleeping quarters for our scientists and the mental office. That little radar dish up there, satellite dishes, connecting all the equipment and temperature sensors back to our scientists here in Hawaii so that we can remote control and deal with any kind of issues that are going on. And the goal is to set up these all around the world but basically when we get a lab there, we work with the local people. It isn't just us there, we bring them in and we have buy-in and the project we're looking in Fiji where the local chiefs and the folks would love to work with us. And the hope is if we're down there for about two years, that's enough to get the reef started and we'll continue on with them. And probably in two to five years, they should return enough of the reefs that should return their fishing grounds that they once had. So what about local permitting and these man-made barriers that we have? What's been your experience? Is that gonna be an issue? Like for example, here in Hawaii, it takes quite a long time to get any kind of a project going and especially along the shoreline. So what's been your experience there? Well, Hawaii is challenging. They have a lot of safeguards in place and I applaud the state for doing this because what I think their logic is is they don't wanna take a chance and harm what's out there. And we agree with that. Coral's very sensitive and I think a lot of scientists have done things over the years thinking they would help, maybe they'd help one thing but they create problems in another. This is happening in Kaniyia or in other parts of the island. So they're very- Like the mongoose. Like the mongoose, yes. We love mongoose. A lot of stories on that. But the state is conservative and again, I applaud that. I think that's important. But we are working with them and there was probably an opportunity for us to do some coral out-planting out here in the next three years. That's our hope. So when do you think you'll actually be able to do some short-planting? I mean, how far along that- I would say Fiji. Fiji, we have everything as a go. The government is just fine doing that. It's just a matter of raising funds and we're doing fundraising for that project. I'd like to say by the end of the year we'll be out there doing surveying but certainly within a year, year and a half. I'd like to have the latitude to solve from the screen launched out there. So Suzanne, so when you go to a place like Fiji, do you import Hawaii coral or do you look at the local coral and try to find the ones that are survivors? Yeah, that's a good question. No, we cannot import from another place. That's not, we'll not be safe. It's not really what the ecosystem there needs. So, but the techniques that we learn here can be applied all across every coral. So we would go there, we would harvest a coral there and we'll take small pieces and then make them reproduce and grow faster than they would if left alone and then replace them. So one of my questions is, how can we help and what can we do?  I mean, is this all out of your own hip pocket or? Largely it hasn't been. We're a nonprofit and we're privately funded. We put in the bulk of the funds but we do have a number of private donors but that is a big effort of ours. To be able to do these remote labs, they're about a half a million, $600,000 endeavor. So it does take money. We're looking at corporate sponsors. I'm talking with Memorial Reef International. I think they're gonna sponsor one of our labs. They've got operations in Mexico and in Italy and probably some in the South Pacific coming up. So that's one of the organizations we're working with. We're also talking with other large companies that hopefully will be interested in saving the coral reefs. And it also comes down to the individuals.  So it's for a lot of the efforts that we do out here fundraising is a big part of what we have to do. So what about government support? How's that been? Well, the government's been very supportive. We've talked a lot a number of legislators and representatives and they're very, very excited about what we're doing. Financially, at least there's nothing they can do but I think they will probably help on the regulations come down in the future as far as us doing work in Hawaii. I think we definitely have, we'll have some green lights there. Okay. I guess I'm funding for the coral. Yeah, because we have a coral location center planned where people can come in and learn about what the coral is, how important it is for the Hawaiian tradition and how it is affected by what we do and what can they do. So in that coral education center has been, the Hawaiian Tourism Authority has helped us some of the funding there. What about OHA? Is that all part of the Hawaiian tourism thing? We have not talked to them yet but certainly at something that's on our list. So what's been your experience here at NELA? I mean, this is in a way government support because NELA started out as a government funded operation although now it's self-sufficient but tell us about the systems and the support that you've been getting out of the NELA site. Well, facilities are fantastic what we're doing and of course the people work here have been great to work but we really appreciate their support. What's unique about this location for us is that NELA has two pipes that go into the water. One is at 80 feet and pulls up surface water which is what our coral needs. They also have another one that goes down several thousand feet that has very cold water and with that we were able to perfectly control temperatures so we can keep our coral at an optimal temperature. There's very few places in the world that have that ability. So we're very excited about being here. That's a big plus for us. So I noticed Hatch, this Hatch organization is an entrepreneurial organization. Have you had any interaction with them? Is there any interest from that point? Well, not at this point we've talked and we know who we are, each other is, we've definitely chatted. Their mission is to do online, typically on land, food, fish food raising. And for profit. Yeah, and they're for a profit. But the coral reefs, I don't think they're gonna impact their clientele at this time so I'm not sure if we're gonna be able to do that together. Okay. So what am I missed? What's a burning issue that you're talking about? Well, that's a trick question for questions. You know, we do tours out here. So anybody who comes out to the big island or right next to the airport, please come by. Look us up on our website. We'll have a slide at the end here. Certainly take a look. If the people are interested in volunteering, it really doesn't matter what your background is. We always have a need for people of all scale, skills and talents whether you're a biologist or an accountant. Volunteers are a big part of what we're doing. Fundraising is a big part of what we're doing. If anybody has any ideas on that, certainly we'd love to entertain that. And of course donations, cash donations or something that's what we work off. So what about volunteers? I'm at DOT today. She's great. And she's great. And what about having students out here supporting you? I mean, maybe part of their educational program. We have a number of the schools that visit us. I think we've had over 500 kids here last year. We'll probably have two, three times that coming year. We're working with WEA, HPA, and I believe Parker's coming up as well. I think with WEA, we actually have a program where the kids come down and they're working on projects here and they also have a core project up there that'll help them support. Okay. So what other kinds of donations are you looking for? So for example, we recently donated a shipping container to you guys. Yeah, she did. Thank you very much. And I know there's all sorts of shipping containers out there. I mean, they seem to be the architectural building building a choice out here, especially since you can set it up and then you ship it anywhere in the world. So talk us through. Yeah, besides cash donations, certainly in condominiums, containers. We had a homeowner donate a large 16 foot tank. I've never seen a fish tank that large in my life. I can't even really. Yeah, they took a moving van and two forklifts, but it's sitting in your container right now. But out of the blue, we got a phone call from somebody who just said, do you need this? And this is what we're building a core wall around them. This would have cost us $20,000 to $40,000 to build. And the fellow donated, which we're very grateful for. So if somebody has something in mind that is related to what we do, or not even the marine life, we'd certainly be interested in chatting with. So what's a coral wall? Coral wall. Okay. Well, basically we're gonna take the 16 foot tank and we're gonna build it into a small room downstairs here at Nell Hall. It'd stand out from the wall about six feet. And on the wall, on the wall, besides having the tank of coral and fish, we're gonna have iPads and headsets where you can put on and you can give yourself a tour. Basically you enter at what your age is so we can appropriately engage the tour for the experience level, age level. And we can basically take you through a 15 minute tour of what's going on in the world of coral and what you can do to help. So our coral also costs for us. I mean, do they give off light at night? You ever looked at that? Because if you wave your hand in the ocean at night, it's an old diver's trick. Like when you're looking for mines under a ship, it's like, you wave your hand and you get this phosphorescent, you actually see stuff. Some of them too. Some of them too. And then remember that the coral wall at the time is a little animal. It's inside the skeleton. So at night, the pilot has to come up to actually, and I think that's the product for us. From the ones I do. So we're winding down.  So it means anybody that donates gets a tax. Is that correct? That is correct. So can we have the last slide up there with the contact information? All right.  Well, like I said, saving reefs, feeding people. And it's not about just the reefs. When we were able to rebuild a reef, we're restoring the food source for native people around the world.  So I've seen there a facility. It's right beside my hydrogen. I've got to get a plug in for my hydrogen facility. So it's right beside my hydrogen facility. And it's a pretty neat. They call it the tea house. And it's a nice little setup there. And so it's very worthy of a visit. And it sounds like you're doing great stuff. And it's amazing that it's not amazing, but it's really good that you self-funded this out of your own hip pocket to make the world a better place. So congratulations to both of you for like dedicating a part of your careers and lives to getting this done. Thank you so much. Thank you so much. And Suzanne, great meeting you. It's good to have a doctor on staff as well. Just in case. So that's why we're winding up now and we'll be back next week. I don't know who our guest will be, but this is Hawaii, the state of clean energy and signing off. So aloha y'all.


Live from the San Jose Mechanery Convention Center, it's theCUBE at Open Compute Project US Summit 2015. Okay, welcome back everyone. You're watching Silicon Angles theCUBE. This is our flagship program. We go out to the events that extract the civil noise. I'm John Furrier, the co-host with Jeff Frick, my co-host GM of theCUBE. Our next guest is Cole Crawford, founder and CEO of Vapor I.O. Just made, came out of stealth mode, former executive director of the Open Compute Project and founder, welcome to theCUBE again. Great to see you. Okay, so founderitis is a term that's been kicked around.  Okay, it's flying off the shelves.  What's going on? Give us the quick update. You're no longer involved. What's the title, your role, your startup, what happened today? What's going on? Yeah, so first off, mouse traps and deep parks. You know, there's always kind of the one hand to hold, one throat to choke. You know, I like to take the positive spin on it.  And so from that perspective, you know, I found that we were in a unique position and one of the nice things about working with the nonprofit ecosystem is that people want to help the industry. I mean, people all want to see the industry move forward. So, sometimes people tell you things that, you know, offer you like 10 bits of insight. If you're paying attention about, hey, this is what my pain points are. So over the past, you know, nine months, I've been thinking about what can I do for Open Compute that would move the needle. I mean, obviously the hardware side of this, the IT infrastructure side, you look at how Amazon and Rackspace and Google and Facebook are all driving that down to zero. I mean, the actual race to zero is a very real thing. I mean, don't think for a second that Jeff Bezos isn't going to drive that infrastructure cost, that public cost down to be as competitive as possible. So you have to look elsewhere to innovate. And, you know, Isaac Asimov in 1676 said, you know, if I see farther, it's only because I'm standing on the shoulders of giants. And I think Open Compute did that obviously. And I think that we're able to do that in part because we get to see everything. We get to see the trends happening. We get to see where money's being invested. We get to see where ecosystems are gaining traction and not, and to that end, you know, we were very fortunate to vapor, very fortunate to see a real need for treating infrastructure more like cattle and less like pets. So how much funding do you guys have? Who's the investor? What's going on? Because look, one of the things we're seeing, Jeff, we've always talked about is complexity kills, but also as an opportunity. It's a wind of change, consolidation, commoditization. It's okay if you're shifting the value. So that's the wind shifting analogy, right? The wind shifting value.  Probably so, okay, race is here, I buy that. That's not a bad thing. If you're on the other end, catching the value, wind. So what's the wind at your back? What's the itch that you're scratching? Who's funded you guys? So on the funding side, we actually haven't announced yet. We're healthy, we're in good shape. I don't know if you saw the news, but we've launched a strategic relationship with Jable Circuit. Jable Circuit and their division, SAC Velocity, has initially an exclusive license to both manufacture and deliver this. So, you know, one of the cool things about Open Compute that I don't think has really caught on with the ecosystem at large is a software company like us gets to look like a hardware company. So I have no manufacturing costs. I mean, I can say, hey Jable, we'll take care of all of those like really expensive CapEx investments. So when I'm raising money, I don't have to raise hardware company money. I can raise software. You don't have the hardware costs, but someone, your partner picks that up in the relationship. It does. So there's obviously, of course, with the industry average being five to 10 million dollars per megawatt, if you want to talk to sales in our bag, let's just talk economics. I mean, it's pure economics. It's five to 10 million dollars per megawatt to build out a data center right now. So you hear all of these C-level executives saying, if you're going to do one to two megawatts of anything, don't even think of Greenfield. Like just go get a Nicola. Well, if you want to, you know, so that economics of cloud, when we can deliver you that experience and we can deliver that at half the cost that you're paying, now all of a sudden when you want to start thinking about building a data center, that prospect isn't so scary. I mean, look at Uber. They don't own any cars. Their innovation is a service-level innovation. So that brings the question, software is that new enabler? There's a lot of efficiencies with open compute and or pre-existing partnerships. So let's talk about the trends that you're seeing. We always say the data center will be the thermostat soon or the closet size. No longer monster, modular, huge data centers. I want to, if I'm on an oil rig and I want to power all my internet of things, I'm in the middle of the ocean. I need a data center. What do I do? You gave me goosebumps because I was talking to somebody yesterday and they were just kind of like, what's the pitch? What do you guys do? And so at the end of it, he's like, oh, so you're like nest.  We're nest, but a data center. Yeah, it's not that easy, but it's a little harder than a dial, but I think you mentioned the internet of things and you talk about hybrid clouds and where you are in public cloud, versus managed hosting versus on-premise. And I mean, the reality is we've got kind of a tale of two clouds building and forming. You've got the cloud we know and love. We've got the general purpose. We put our stuff there. We trust our secure stuff and our on-premise stuff, you know, slightly more mission less critical, but still mission critical. We can put in managed hosting. And then for all the stuff we don't necessarily care about that's expensive, we put in public cloud. There's another cloud. And the current cloud is powered by your big hyperscale guys. And look how much money Amazon spends. Look how much money Google spends to allow that. Azure is now the table now.  But there's another cloud forming. And that cloud is the IoT cloud, or more accurately, probably the internet of everything cloud. I mean, it's estimated by 2020, you're going to have 40 billion connected devices. And this IoT cloud is delivered at the edge. It's not delivered in these big hyper, you know, megawatt, 100 plus megawatt. So it could be peer to peer. It could be all kinds of different protocol algorithms, blockchain and Bitcoins, looking at some interesting things there. New things are forming, basically. New things are forming. And so the sale, the winds that are back here are all around, how do we actually build the software-defined data center? You know, you heard probably Steve Herrod was the first guy ever here, I ever heard say software-defined data center. And I love Steve Herrod. And I love that saying, but you can't have a software-defined data center if you're not talking to your data center. Yeah, you can't have a data center in there. There's a data center. There's actually a software-defined data center.  I've never seen a non-software-defined data center. Yeah, exactly. Well, that's, yeah. You can see a lot of those. It's a software-defined nothing. Yeah, exactly. So, you know, we want to expose, and I think this is really where things get interesting for this industry. And certainly in context of IoT, this is about urban, you know, urban infrastructure. This is about embedding capabilities at the edge, because IoT is all about delivering at the edge. So when Sun Microsystems 15 years ago said, the network is the computer, they were right. They were just 15 years too soon. Yeah, and actually we had Scott McNeely on the cube, and he said, I should have just called it cloud. Perfect. All right, so I got to ask you about this, because now there's a lot of different nuances to your whole vision, especially this Internet of Things, small spaces, modular capacity. Everyone's concerned with the data center density. That's, you know, tired conversation, still irrelevant. But now you're talking about Internet of Things, but you're also talking about global experience. We had Facebook on here earlier. I want to connect everyone in the world. Well, outside the U.S., you've got foreign countries, third world countries now booting up infrastructure, you know, solar powered charging stations, the base stations to, you know, people. I mean, Internet of Things includes people. People have things too. So this is the whole world we're in. So what does that mean for you guys? Does that help you? Your market opportunity? Do you sell them more? Yeah, I mean, I think for us, you know, it's really about being able to deliver that experience in a consolidated way, in a practical way, that doesn't get in your way, if that makes sense. So we want to deliver L11 solutions, which in our world is kind of like the complete, you know, you can call it data center in a box, right? And you kind of see this with the modular and the container based solutions, but no one really wants a parking lot data center. I mean, people have built rooms for this and people have, you know, floors on the 53rd floor of New York or you're paying by a riser inch. So people want to reclaim and reuse that infrastructure. We just need to offer practical solutions to the problem. It's great that we can move stuff in a container and it's nice to ship. You put it on the 18 wheeler and it gets there. But if you can ship flat and you need to deliver to a forward deployed military unit or you need to deliver it at the edge for a life science company doing protein folding or epigenetic data processing, like, you know, it's far easier to just ship a pallet, build the thing and start processing. And so for us, I think that the reality is you're not going to put 100 plus megawatt data center in downtown New York or downtown San Francisco. So we've got to do more with less, but more with more. And by that I mean, we're going to have less, we're going to have less power and we're going to have less space, right? In one and one place, but you're going to have more distributed data centers. So we need to create an intelligence layer. So data centers that are running, maybe one to three megawatts are disaggregated. You know, you hear Facebook talk a ton about the disaggregated rack and believe in that fully. Look at wedge, look at F boss, look at six pack. Look at all the technology coming out of there. It's fantastic. But we need disaggregated data centers. And if we're going to get there, we need to start at sort of the out of band management capabilities that we're talking to and through today inside of our IT ops equipment. There you've got a couple hundred dollar piece of equipment that you talked to today and it's a very high touch, high value. This is infrastructure as pets. I mean, this is a very one to one relationship with our IT ops equipment. We need to start talking to racks and data centers as one holistic thing. Say, you know, what am I paying for square foot? What am I paying for kilowatt? What am I paying for this public cloud? And where can I exist outside of here? Is there a better, more optimum place for me to exist? Finally, we'll bring some sanity to efficiencies in context of workloads. Because today the standard metric is PUE. Everybody talks about, oh, we've got a great PUE. Okay, what does PUE actually tell you? Nothing. I mean, it tells you how the electricity got from the grid to the rack. It tells you nothing about the workload. So why don't we as a community expose an API that gives you the ability to plug in performance as a variable where performance can be a transaction, performance can be a page load or an ad served, and now in context of how energy is being delivered to the rack and how well your workload is performing, you can move beyond PUE to something like performance per watt per dollar that actually gives you something measurable. So the big trend that these guys in the ecosystem are tapping into is what? What is the core value proposition that's igniting these entrepreneurs and these developers? Founderitis. What itch are they scratching? Is it engineering on the hardware side? Is it software? Are you seeing any patterns that you could share? Like, what's the general itch that they're all scratching? Yeah, I mean, I really think it's about driving intelligence into the environment. I mean, I think at every layer we need to be driving intelligence into our infrastructure. It's really the big data push. The big data's been happening for so long, but finally, you know, we've got an environment and we've got enough consensus and I really think Open Compute had a lot to do with driving the ability to get to some form of consensus around how intelligence should be gathered and delivered. So I got to ask you about the business model question. Not necessarily this is a tried and true, but open source is working. Open source certainly has changed the world and it's working here in this ecosystem. What approach are you looking at and that others should be looking at in terms of collaboratively, collectively working together? Is there an approach that you think that works best? Super VC funded, you know, build a rocket ship. Hope you don't flame out before you hit the atmosphere or go inch along, move the ball when you can. What's balancing it? I think it's, you know, I think that's kind of on a case-by-case basis. Certainly, if you're going to start up a hardware company, you're going to need a lot of capital and you're going to probably, you know, have to go give away a large percentage of your company to go get that capital. I believe in, and I think the industry is a point where, look, let me take another great example. You probably talked to him as well. Great guy, lives here in the Valley, happens to be doing some really cool things at VMware now, but look at what Martín Casado did with Nisira.  So, you've got 80% as here, go innovate. If you want to compete against us, go do it. And then the last 20% was, we're going to give you the best experience and we're going to spend so much time engineering that you're probably not going to- They built a good differentiation into their 20%. Yeah, but I love differentiating on the last 20%. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's great contribution. Absolutely. You did your thing and now it's compete on code. That's right. And I think software is the right place to do that. So, OpenCompute allows a software company like us to look like a hardware company. On the, you know, our model, we don't manufacture a thing. We're not, you know, despite having this capability and this really cool vapor chamber, well, we don't actually manufacture it. We leave that to Jable and, you know, we license this. I think it's about licensing and, you know, we've moved beyond the open core. I'm not a huge fan of open core. We've moved beyond that conversation, I think. For instance, the open DCRE, the data center runtime environment that we gave to the foundation today. It's the first, at least as far as I know, it's the first completely reciprocal license contribution that the foundation has seen, which means you're not going to end up with a standard where one OEM is talking a slightly different version of the protocol than another OEM. And in that world, the consumer wins and the customer wins and the community wins. And as long as we're doing the right things for those people, I think you're going to find traction.  Obviously, the work you've done here is super impressive and great community. What inspires you? And the folks out there are watching and trying to figure out where to jump into this world. What are you currently getting excited by and what should people be inspired by? I'm inspired by this, right? I'm inspired by seeing so many companies that five years ago would not be on the same floor having conversations about how we tackle this one specific problem. So what wakes me up in the morning and gets me going is seeing a community of competitive companies working in context of co-opetition. And I like that word co-opetition because in that world, the pace of innovation speeds up. The amount of technology and innovation that the consumer gets to see is unparalleled to what we've seen in the past. And I couldn't be happier to be a part of this engine because it's game-changing and completely transformative. All right, talk about vapor IO. What's next? What are you guys up to? Obviously, you're coming out of stealth, the big announcement, you're revealing, kind of what you're going for, which is essentially Internet of Things Cloud, which is a range of software technology you guys have, working on hardware, open compute or whatever, partnerships, but that's small footprint type data centers. I mean, I don't want to say data centers in a box, but it could be in a, what used to be a network ID for Verizon or Telco, you can put a data center. Do I get that right? You got it right. It's not a box though. It's a little more hexagonal than that. But we like to work in hexagons, not circles. You know, a lot of us do. Why is it circle? Circle means.  I mean, what is it? Give me some size. How big is it? It's, so it's nine feet in diameter. And inside of that nine feet, you get a collapsed, a hyper-collapse data center available to you. It's 150 kilowatts and nine feet squared. So roughly 81 square feet.  And it's all delivered to you at an extremely competitive CAPEX cost. And the OPEX, you know, the models that we're running right now, sub 1.1 PUE. So not only do you get the benefits and the economics of actually being able to feasibly build your own cloud again and put that in a facility that you've already built. But you also get the benefits of the actual cost of data centers. It's not really the IT equipment, the actual costs as the power and cooling that you've got to do to support the IT equipment. It strikes me, the 80-20 conversation because if the community via open source is all working on the 80% in theory, the last 20% should be more valuable because it's the very tippy top and all the investment is really optimized around the top 20% in terms of the value versus the bottom 80% of the infrastructure. And it's hard to get there, right? And it's hard, that last 20% is hard. Anybody can go on a ski slope and learn to ski. Anybody can do that. You could probably get to 80%. Spend a couple of, you know, an athletic person. Get to it. It takes a unique person to get that extra 20%. So it's that last mile that really is tough. But it's also- But that's the opportunity, right? But that's the opportunity. Okay, Cole, we're getting the hook here. We'll give you the final word. Share with the folks watching that are learning about Open Compute. What's going on here at the event in the moment? What's the vibe here? What's this movement all about? I mean, this is the future. You know, it's funny. Mark Andreessen said software is going to eat the world, but hardware is going to power it. Until we get to some future state when you don't need hardware, hardware is going to power that software-driven world. And I think that that's what you're seeing here. You're seeing a lot of companies that a decade ago were not paying attention to software. But you're also seeing software companies that didn't know how to be hardware companies. Now look, you've got all of these hyper-scale guys practically being their own ODMs. Amazon is now their own silicon consumer through their relationship with Intel. Facebook, obviously, orders a ton of infrastructure. So you're seeing sort of a merging of hardware companies that can look like software companies and software companies that can look like hardware companies. And this is the future. All right, Cole, thanks for joining theCUBE. We'll be back the next guest. We are live in Silicon Valley. This is theCUBE at Open Compute Project Summit 2015. We'll be right back with more coverage for this short break.


Next question is from Jeremy Longprey.  What are the physical or psychological barriers you see most people have and how have you guided people in the right direction on starting their journey? You guys ever look at the, the, it's like a picture from, I want to, it's like the turn of the century. I should say turn of the 1900s, right?  Oh yeah, what an overweight or obese person back then looks like compared to that. You see that like everywhere at Disneyland now. It's wild, right?  Or the 300 pound man, like the 300 pound man was so crazy. Yeah. And so you look at this picture of this man who was considered a circus fat man. So people literally paid money to, to stand in front of the sky and look at him because he was so out of the ordinary, crazy overweight. Now when you look at him, yeah, he's a big guy. He's definitely overweight, but you plug that guy into Walmart or any other, you know, store or Disney world and he blends right in. And so it's, it's insane how much our perception of this has changed.  Is it because where our, our, our genetics have changed? Is it, is it just, no, it's our environment, our environment has radically changed. It's a lot of things, right? I mean, it's, we move significantly less, way less.   Wash your clothes by hand. Yeah. I mean, there, the, the amount of calories we were probably burning throughout the day just to go about our normal day was probably two, three X what the average person does today. Not to mention, food wasn't as readily available.  I mean, we, we have access to food everywhere. And then you throw in the fact of how much we've made it palatable and, and processed foods.  And so it's really easy to over consume and comparison about them. So I think it's a combination of all this. You want to know what it, you know what you want to know what it took to make food hyper palatable 100, 150 years ago? It took hours and hours of preparation. It took a lot of time to make and bake the cake or the pie or the meal that was hyper palatable. We had to put a lot of time and effort into it. They could not go to the store and cheaply purchase something that was hyper palatable. And here's a, here's a funny thing. Here's a reversal.  The people that you found that were overweight were wealthy. Yeah. The poor were never almost never overweight. Today it's the reverse. Now why is it the reverse today? Well, Adam was saying these foods are so readily available and so cheap. And the reason why the wealthy now are not obese is because they've education, they're more educated. And so they make different food choices, but our lifestyle, it's just, let me put it this way, 150 years ago, 200 years ago, if you were to tell the average person that you were going to go to a gymnasium to lift heavy objects and put them down back on the ground, they would have been like, why just go till the fields. I got some work for you to do. And you don't even have to, you don't have to pay me for it. It's crazy. We are extremely sedentary, but also simultaneously extremely busy. We solved a lot of problems. And we also created problems all the way side effects. That's just how it goes. I mean, yeah, unintentionally.  And we were able to create foods that lasted longer and, you know, tasted better and do this all under, you know, for less money. So now it's just, it's everywhere. So like learning how to create barriers for that is the new thing. I think that sleep and stress or, you know, the lack of sleep and high stresses at all-time highs when you compare it back then also, I don't think you had. I think it was different stress. I would, you know, we have to be careful when we say that we're more stressed today because I doubt we're more stressed than the generations that, you know, grew up where they were, you know, tuberculosis. Well, your stress back then was, I might not get to eat. Yeah. It was also, it was also acute and then gone. Whereas now we have these like little stresses all day. That's what I mean. We're- We take on everybody else's problems now. It's like every, like we're aware of like the world's issues now instead of just our local- And do you envision people back then having trouble sleeping? I don't. I just don't see a hundred years ago lying in bed- Not when you're tired from labor's job. Right, stimulated from being on the computer all day long and your brain like turning all day long. I feel like most people back then are probably exhausted from their day. The sun went down.  Maybe had dinner and then probably in bed. I can't imagine.  So, you know, they had that. And that's the other part too, when I say that we were extremely, we're also busy. So, you know, you think about this, what I mean by busy is we're distracted constantly.  It's going to take me three hours. You're by yourself with your thoughts and nature, right? Now you can't even wait in line for two seconds without being on your phone and learning about what's happening around the world or whatever. So, modern life is now, here's now, I want to be clear here. I wouldn't trade it for old life at all. I think what we have now is way, way better. It just has what are called unintended consequences, these side effects of solving these major problems. So, how do we fix that? We have to create practices. We have to create practices. We have to structure it into our daily lives and we have to learn to value them. Because, yeah, regular life, modern life is not going to make you healthy and fit.  You might not get the same kind of illness as your grandparents got, but you're going to get these kind of chronic illness of, you know, inactivity and, you know, in overeating. So, you just have to kind of structure in your life. So, now it's like you got to schedule time to go to the gym. Otherwise, you're not active. Now you have to avoid food, whereas back then it was, you had to find food.  Now you have to have a sleep routine. You didn't have a sleep routine back then, you know? You hit the pillow, you were exhausted. You know, turn the lights, what lights, you know? It's the sun that went down. So, it's just a totally different, and if you look at places now where people are less obese, it's because it's built into their life.    And so, as a result, they have better health. You have to develop the structures, and it has to become behaviors, and that's the only way I was ever able to find long-term success with clients. Otherwise, it was always short-term success.


Hey, what's up YouTube it's Zeke the CryptoMiner and today I'm bringing you another video today. It's about credit card training This is gonna be my very first time turning a credit card and Growing and I'm also going to be doing a challenge trying to grow my credit score to a perfect 800 and if it could go above 800, I'm gonna try it right. I'm going to try for that So let's go ahead get straight into the video All right, you too We're back if we take a look at my credit card the credit card that I did pick up was the world's Fargo Pro pill card it is an amazing starter card is amazing card if you bank with wheels Fargo Some of the benefits of this card if you spend $3,000 within the first three months You get 30,000 points That you could use for cash back or travel. I'm going to be using it for Fights so to take a vacation in summer This is why a lot of people credit card turn they signed up They get the bonuses and then they just keep the card open or the close the card after they use those bonuses But I'm going to be trying to grow my credit score for a new credit card owner from an Okay score to a great score for the next time I comply for the chase sapphire card I'll get approved some of the benefits of the propel card Some of the benefits of this card that I'm really taking advantage of is that if you buy your phone with this card You have a $600 Insurance on your phone. So if your phone get lost or stolen or damaged You just make a claim with Wells Fargo and then they're reimbursed you $600 for any damage to your phone Or lost phone. So we have a phone for $600. They're pretty much replaced it for free and you could do this Twice a year or if you have any damage to your phone like a camera get Defected or anything like that. Well Fargo will cover that. So that's I actually did use that on this phone already The sensors the front face sensor on my phone have went out So I use that so that's one of the benefits for this card I get three points for the gas two points for Groceries and then a point for everything else that I spend I'm almost at the $30,000 in the first three month limit and once I do that I am going to Officially reach the $30,000 bonus and then I'm going to start looking for flights in the summertime That I could take and try to find some cheap flights in the summertime So this journey for me has been amazing so far It's pretty cool all the benefits if I go to a rental car place and I rent a car for $40 And then they try to charge me $50 a day for insurance on the car I don't have to do that because it's all covered with the wheels Fargo if I purchased that rental car with my wheels Fargo Credit card the propeller card. I have insurance on that car So I don't have to actually pay the 50 extra dollars on the $40 rental car. You know I'm saying so I could just Use my credit card to Check out that actual car and then that insurance would be covered by the credit card Some other things are reimbursed also on the credit card, but I'm gonna go over those details I would do a full review over the world's Fargo propel card in the future video I did an unboxing on this card. Maybe a week ago if you guys want to go check that out It's pretty cool. It was super dramatic lots of music and sound effects I'll probably leave a link to that right here You can just click on that and go check out that video. It's pretty cool But if we go over to my credit karma, let's pull up my credit karma right here. It says I'm up 18 points And my credit score is 712 I think that's pretty good. You know, it's pretty good. The only thing about my credit is that My whole life. I've been an athlete. I was blessed enough to go play professional football so a lot of the times I spent Cash or David or money that I actually had I never actually had to spend money I didn't have so I never really had a credit card. So my credit history is bad Because I don't have a lot of credit but my credit score is still 712 So I'm gonna continue to grow this if we take a look at my credit health Of the last three months. I just got this car. So it's been a 7 on 9 It's been hanging around 7 on 9 for forever. And then when I actually applied for the card I think I applied for a chase effort card in this card at the same time Which hurts my score. It went down 15 points to 694 and then now on August 26 2019 my credit score is 712 and if we're looking at the credit health 712 is pretty good. It says good. Okay 640 is okay. 580 is high and then the 300 is high. All right 750 to 850 on Credit karma is it says that it's above awesome. It's great. And right now. I'm just a good I want to actually use this car until I get to great and then once I get the great I'll be applying for more credit cards once I get the hang of it and get those sign-up bonuses And then, you know, try to travel the world or have another credit card pay for my hotels One of the ways that I'm going to actually grow this from 712 to 800 is that I have a $10,000 limit on this actual credit card on the West Fargo Propel card and I read that if you use 10% of your limit in a month and then pay that off fully Then you're creating actually boost your credit card score faster. So if I have a $10,000 limit 10% would be $1,000.  That's the average of $12,000 a year That's pretty much the price of living in America $12,000 Actually, that's very minimum right there. So $1,000 a month For is 10% on a $10,000 account I spend that and then pay it all the way off and that actually boosts my score up a lot in Quicker so that would help me get to 800. Now. This is the trick you it once you get your card And you have to spend a minimum of what was it a 5% so I have to spend a minimum of $500 a month and then pay that off fully to actually let my score go up a few points But it's best to do 10% and then 1% It actually keeps your score pretty much around the same All right, so you keep hearing me saying pay it off fully Okay, you don't want to pay the minimum on a card You don't want to pay the $25 minimum or the $100 minimum or the $500 minimum on a card You actually want to pay it off fully if you want to grow your credit card health Okay, if you want to get to that 800 you have to pay it off fully So do not pay the $25 let that roll over and then you just pay $25 on it every month until Just meeting the minimum requirements to pay off that card You don't want to do that. You actually want to pay it off fully Completely fully in order for your credit card score for your credit score to go up And I'm really gonna be doing this challenge I'm gonna do at least one video a month. Well anytime my credit score ups dates I'm gonna do a video over this you guys are now a part of my journey If you want to stay tuned to this journey go ahead hit that subscribe and I like button down in the description Right now. I'm up 18 points since I purchased the card to 712 so right now it's pretty good I Mean once I get the 800s already tell you guys I'm going to get another credit card credit card turn that one and then also Try to apply for some luck. Well, actually get off Get some real new properties. I have good credit score So they give me a low down payment or they give me better interest rate just for having at 800 credit score so Going into again these loans for the 300 credit score My interest rate will probably be pretty high or the tax me on top of that by tax I mean that hit me over the head by those loans But if I have 800 credit score the banks will trust me more and they'll give me a good interest rate or a great down payment Option, but yeah guys, I told you it's gonna be a quick video. This is all I had to give you You guys are now part of my journey By me saying that I mean you need to go ahead hit that subscribe button down at the bottom hit that thumbs up But yeah, um my journey from 712 what actually 709 was where I started So my journey from 694 to 712 to 800. So I'm going to try to get the 800 by Okay, I'm trying to get to 800 by the end of the year if that's even possible Leave a comment down in the comment section if you think that's even possible to go from 712 to 800 in less than a year or Is it something that's completely doable or if you have done it before leave your credit score down in the description And then we could talk about how can we make it better or how amazing you are that you already have an 800 credit score? Yes, I'm talking about you But other than that, this is zeke the crypto miner bringing you another video over critical turning the real score Got a propelled card in my journey to the credit score of 800 other than that. I'm out