Well, well, well, what have we here? A real live quarterback controversy. People, Tom Curran joining us from NBC Sports. Boston, Darius Butler will be here. Mark Ingram will stop by to hang out Alabama once. He better show up because we have good things to talk about. With Mark Ingram, he ditched me last week. And what I hope is not going to become any sort of a tradition here on the show, we will go over the deals and steals. We are couponing people on the show. Sorry about my parlay. Is this Bailey Zappy singing, don't worry, be Zappy. No, no, no, that would make too much sense. Everybody know it's Stacey's mom. Little fountains of Wayne action. A token one hit wonder. Right up there with Daniel Powder. Remember that one? Had a bad day. That one was terrible. Gosh, who let the dogs out, which is played in every stadium, in every sporting event. Maybe, ever, maybe not F1 though. We'll have to ask Darius Butler. I don't know if, I don't know if that's making the cut there. La Baja Men and Lubega, of course. Mambo number five. Some of my favorite one hit wonders. Tipped me up at Up an Adam show with yours. Bailey Zappy, Fountains of Wayne. Stacey's mom. I mean, Stacey James is the vice president of VP of Media Relations for said Patriots. I bet he is furious. Zappy's singing about his family like that. Frankly, I'm offended, but that's not what we're gonna talk about it enough. Doesn't remind me, by the way. Remember when the world went crazy at sort of the jump of Instagram or like Instagrammable moments? I remember the check down and the NFL handle was obsessed with Drew Lock doing it on the sideline when he was at Bronco, my former Mersut friend there. He was singing Put On by GZ. I think they won that game. Those Broncos, not the case last night with the Patriots. We will get to Zappy and the Mac Jones drama in a moment, but let us give credit where it is due. Huge step forward. Where's that helmet? There it is. Huge step forward. Add a boy bears for Justin Fields, the entire offense there in Chicago. They put together a very impressive performance. Five straight scoring drives on Belichick's defense. They converted 11 times on third down and threw a wet blanket on all of the Pats fans. Zappiness. How? By nearly doubling up New England's time of possession in the game. That's impressive. We only saw Bailey Zappy on the field for about 13 minutes. The Bears drives just sucked the air out of Gillette Stadium. And so we're going to, I talked to a coach I sometimes speak to, of course, that put the dots together who I said, what am I talking about tomorrow? What's my story here? And it's, you better give credit to that coaching staff. And I said, yes, I will. Let's do it. So credit to OC Luke Getze and credit to Chicago for staying in the mix. Listen, they're in this weird purgatory with like 20 teams in the NFL in the NFC, which we love. All right, that's enough love for said Bears fans because they really will feel themselves and think they're winning the Super Bowl after a win like this. And I'm happy. And these are the type of wins that build momentum and we love that we got to get to the Patriots side because that's where the story is as we welcome in. A best friend of mine in the sports media world, NBC Sports Boston Patriots talk podcast host with guests like Matt Castle and Phil Perry. And they were talking about Mac Jones versus Bailey Zappie leading into this game. You can also see him all over NBC Sports Boston, NBC Sports.com, host of Quicksland, which we do together every Tuesday today at six PM Eastern. Hey, Tommy. Rendo, what's going on? What's on your head, sir? It's just a little scally. It's just a little. You know, I got up. It was a late night. It's cute. Early morning, already wrote a column about the spectacle that unfolded. Got to put the Quicksland plan together, podcast. We got a lot going on, so I didn't even shower up yet. And I'm here doing bits about one hit wonders and Stacey's mom and bringing Stacey James into it. I'll put it to you. I'll start simply here. What happened last night? My best read on it from the post game and what Bill Belichick said and Matt Jones' demeanor.  Because, and the reason I say that is because Matt Jones was so appreciative after the game. He said, Bill was very, very good about explaining how things would unfold. Belichick said that it wasn't performance related, it was injury related. So all those things, unless they're both lying, which I don't believe to be the case, point to the fact that Matt convinced Bill to use them. And Mike Florio did a little reporting on a two case saying that Matt had pushed and pushed and pushed. So I think in the end, the spectacle was caused by Bill not just saying, you know what, Matt, why don't you take another week or just going the whole night with Matt Jones? Well, it was weird because so what was the leash? It was you throw one interception and you hit the bench. I guess that's what it was, right? I think it was three series. I think it was going to be three series one way or the other, but that then enters into the question, Kay, well, what if they had gone up 17 to nothing? Was he still going to pull him? And the fact that he pulls them, then invites the Boo Birds at Foxborough Stadium to weigh in on what they think Matt Jones is all about right now, which has to sting and leave a mark, right? Right, and I saw you debating it, you had Matt Castle talking very eloquently. He, of course, talked about the balance of what that's like when you have competition there between Matt Jones, Dan Orlowski, you know, is the Matt Jones fan club. Like let's lean on what this guy did in his rookie season. And then, you know, Senator Phil Perry on your Patriots Talk podcast, which everyone should listen to and I literally listened to it. It's a massive appointment viewing and listening to me. You guys brought up the other side going into this. Though it was seemed unlikely, Phil Perry said, the Julian Edelman of it all, that's a guy who talks to those players and every player wants to say, Matt Jones, we support him, but Julian Edelman went on inside the NFL and said, listen, you can't not start Zappy. You can't not get it going. So it's weird that, am I, you know, just why even start Matt Jones? You're saying he talked, like Bill Belichick can't be talked into doing something. I can't even imagine. It's very weird. It's a weird season. I mean, when you look at the way Bill talked about Matt Jones in July, he said, the dramatic improvement that Matt has made comes after a very good rookie season. He's done everything we wanted. He's better. He's stronger. He's faster. He's done all the things that we needed to. It's been improvement that was dramatic is how Bill termed it. Make him a captain, change the offense, have him dealing with, you know, coaching staff that's new and all the things that he's gone through, injured after two of the three games that he started. Part of me wonders if Bill's like, all right, you know what? I'm doing this because he's gone through a lot for us. And I know that he's been had some bad performances, but he wants to play. It'll look good. It's good leadership. It's good toughness. It illustrates something. And then it blew up in his face. The interesting thing too, K, is does that be eliminate himself from the conversation by the end of the night? It's a great question. It's not like it worked out for him.  And now we're seeing tenured legacy coaches, like Mike Tomlin sort of picked between the two and go back and forth. And now we're seeing it potentially with Bill Belichick. But I thought it was so interesting that Patriot fans, they went nuts, man. They exploded when Zappi came in the game. And it seems like as a bit of an outsider here, though I'm plugged into New England because of you, really. Why does it seem like this fan base has sort of turned on Mac in favor of Zappi? Great question, because simply he's two and seven in his last nine starts, and he's got 10 touchdowns and 11 picks, and some of the picks are mind-bendingly bad. He's had some good performances. When you look at, you know, the performance in the playoffs last year wasn't his fault, but then you see these straight throws from Zappi, as it just showed, to Devante Parker. Yeah. They'll just throw underneath. Those little throws that seem to be there that Zappi is unearthing. Meanwhile, Mac Jones is out there and against the Baltimore Ravens. He had no touchdowns, three picks. He had a red zone pick. He had a pick against Pittsburgh that was certainly preventable. So I think what has happened is, and there's also, everybody loves the backup, Kay, especially when the starter's not playing up to what you expected. So I think people, they're just not used to the losing. So do something, Bill, is basically the mentality. Do something! But he's still, you know, he's still seen well up there as he should, best coach of all time, but like it's definitely weird in a different year up there. How do you see it playing out last one for you? Like is this one of those guys, I mean, is it gonna be a roller coaster all year? No, I don't think it will. I think last night they will regret, Bill will regret having played a little bit of a rotation, said he will not platoon quarterbacks in the post game. My belief is that this week he will go with Mac Jones to start against the New York Chats and it will be Mac Jones come hell or high water. And that's not because Bailey's happy can't play and it's not because Mac Jones has a quarterback position by appointment. It's because that's the simplest, smartest way to gather all your data on whether or not Mac Jones is the quarterback that you wanna sail forward with or you have to evaluate the position as to do you need to get somebody else in there, but you need to give them more than three drives. And you have to rebuild the team's trust in them now too. It's so true. Patriots Talk podcast, Quicksland's tonight see us both together at 6 p.m. Eastern. I already know what we're going to be talking about. And say hi to Tommy Shelby and the rest of Peaky Blinders for me, okay? Looking Glass brandy is my favorite one hit wonder. I like that. I didn't get to ask you. Tom Curran over with NBC Sports Boston and we love to see that. We also love Darius Butler who'll be here after the break. Catch me and Tom on Quicksland, which we love. But here's Darius, where are you? Got a nice music video there, some highlights of this guy's career because I got a bit of a fear here. We're gonna lose him to F1. We want him to enjoy his F1 fun, but we want him back with the NFL. Let's bring in a guy who's with us every week. He's the co-host of the Man to Man Podcast and a regular on the Pat McAfee show and here part of the Up and Atoms family. Darius, I'm a little worried. You should be.  It was great out there for the United States Grand Prix out there in the circuit of America's. It was awesome. The awesome time is a great race. So yeah, it might be one foot in, one foot out, F1, NFL. I don't know yet. I don't know yet. It's close. What was the best part and have you recovered from said weekend?   I felt like a 10 year old out there. I felt like it. This is my second race. I actually attended in person. The first one was in Miami. This was the second one. It was awesome. I said my favorite part was probably the pit stops, just being so close to the pit stops and being there. I was lucky enough to be in the Paddock Club. So I was right above where the pit stops come in at and to be able to see all the people that have to come in and change a tire or change a front wing in 10 seconds. It was wild. And being able to see Max Verstappen, Lewis Hamilton, Charles McClaren, and these guys up close and in person. It was awesome. Awesome experience. Over 400,000 people out there for the weekend, which is amazing. Weather was great. So just an overall awesome experience. I'm gonna have to go with you one of these times.  I need to get in on that action. I'm holding you to it. I know. And I really do want to go. But I just don't, we need to do something fun. We need to lose Hamilton. We need Max Verstappen. We need something in the NFL to reign you back. Cause I can see what's happening here. They're slowly winning over with huge bottles of champagne. We don't have those huge bottles of champagne in the NFL. No, you don't have Ferrari bottles of champagne and a podium. We gotta step it up in the NFL. Tom Brady said a few weeks ago some bad football and I feel like it's gotten worse for him. You see what's going on on my coats. You just looking around and you don't know. Nothing makes sense. The Patriots get blown out last night. Nothing makes sense right now in the NFL. It doesn't. And there's a lot of new names. One of them, Ellinger. And we got to talk about it. Cause you mentioned it so I can dig right in. Colts lose to the Titans who are underrated and underappreciated, I think. But Matt Ryan, he's banged up with the shoulder sprain and coach Reich announces yesterday that Ryan is done. So it's Sam Ellinger getting the start. Not just for this week. He put a period on the back of that sentence and said for the rest of the season, what do you make of the move? Somewhat surprising. Obviously Matt Ryan has struggled this year. He's been getting hit. He's been getting peeled up off the turf every week. Fumbling, turnovers. It's been ugly.  So I mean, a lot of expectations were very high and indie for him. We promised him a great running game, a great O-line and a great defense. The defense is holding up there in the bargain, but nobody else has kind of really been holding up there in the bargain as far as Matt goes.   And if you have a quarterback out there that's not, I hope you put that team in a position to win games, which is taking care of the ball first and foremost. You got to make a move. So fingers across for Sam Ellinger. Don't really know what to expect. You know, half of the fan base is like, okay, we're tanking for whatever it's quarterback in the draft. And the other half is like, hey, we've been waiting for this move, you know, for some weeks now. But it's a tough move. You never want to change quarterbacks in the middle of the season. But hopefully it's only up from here for Indianapolis coach fans. But what is that? I mean, I was saying Ellinger until a user said Ellinger. So now I'll switch it and I'll start calling him Ellen. I don't know. See it's these names. F1 got all these European names. I don't know if I'm pronouncing it right. Now we're Sam. Sam. All right, we're gonna go Sam. Sammy E. Sammy E, we love you. Sammy E. We pulled up this sort of bio. We looked up what we could about Sammy E. If we can see that again, I know we showed it. But, you know, in terms of experience, it's much different than that, Ryan, who has an MVP in this game, right? Sam has three players, Ryan has 229. So take me inside the locker room there in Indy, one that you know very well. How does this team with this coach and these specific players shift from a veteran leader to essentially a newcomer? Everybody's gotta step the game up. You gotta step the game up a little bit more. You know, you got a young guy in there. The good thing about him is he's a little more mobile. So obviously one of those issues the old line not blocking up in the past game well. So now you have a guy that can run around a little bit and extend plays. And they've seen him in practice. They've seen him, he's had good pre-seasons and obviously that's a completely different level from the real thing. The other good thing about it is other opposing defenses don't really have a book on him yet. So he can come out there and just kind of play and let it fly. And, you know, the expectations, it's not like it's the number one pick coming in to play.  It's going to make mistakes along the way. And as a defense, you just want to help my as much as possible. And our defense has been doing their thing for the most part this year. So now hopefully the offense just take care of the ball. We get John DeTaylor going too. This was the leading Russian and league last year. A lot of people had maybe been in the MVP conversation coming in this year. So let's get 28 going a little bit. And we need, you know, Shaquille Leonard. We've got to get him back. We've got to give such a difference maker when he's out there healthy on the field. He changes the entire complexion of that defense. I don't know what happens to Matt Ryan. I guess we'll see, you know, I'm Aaron Rodgers, Tom Brady, these, you know, these, these older players. Oh boy. These other players are leaving. Oh, the sun. Talk to me, let's talk in your division, the Jags. They trade cornerstone running back. The guy was a top five running back not long ago to the Jets last night. So the Jets are sitting there at five and two, right? Yeah. How does this amplify the Jets chances to sort of make ways? Cause they clearly are gunning for the post season. Yeah. I mean, as they should be, they're surprising. Everyone, you know, outside of that locker room, you know, the Jets, Giants, but you look at Robert Stilai and they were missing their young quarterback to start this year off. And they've been rolling. That defense has been playing really, really well, but they lost two of their best players on offense. You know, Vera Tucker on the offense, Helene and Breece Hall, who was an amazing explosive running back his rookie year. He was off to a great start. So they lose him, but they go and trade for James Robinson. I think this is a good move for the Jaguars and the Jets because the Jaguars are trying to acquire some more picks and they have Travis Etienne, who's looked great so far this year. So this is a good move for the Jets. And they are surprising a lot of people in that AFC East, my dolphins, AFC East, but they're making waves right now. We love that. We're going to stick with the New York and not go down to Miami, just to have Mr. F1 world traveler. But what's going on? You're talking about, it's a good look. It's a good move. Is it a good move for Dable to break out the Victory Cigar already? Now they're on fire. They're second in the NFC East. They're six in one. And this is what I need your comments on. Like what did you make of this? And the wave, the wave is my favorite part. He looks like a politician right now. Go like, I love you. I love it. You know, everywhere, it's tough. I love it. Kissing babies, struggling up the Victory Cigar. I mean, I love it, man. The fan base seems to love them. The locker room loves him. It's tough to win in this league. It is really tough to win this league. And they're off to a hot start, six in one. Another locker room that no one outside of that locker room expected him to be in this position. So I love this Rewriting Day Ball. This fan base has been looking and been thirsty for wins in a physical team that represents that area. So I love it for Day Ball. Obviously early in the season, a lot of ball left. They've been in a lot of close games, I think trailed in five of their games in the fourth quarter, but they're finding ways to win close ones. I love it. I like it too, because the thing is, the fan base wants it maybe, but they also are a tough fan base. But the media market is just looking to drown you, right? They're looking to take you at a deep end and put you under water. So it sort of opens, you know, anything that opens yourself up to that is tough. But I like that he doesn't oversell it. It's just him. He's not out there like high-fiving and he's not like smoking. He's just out there shaking hands while he has a cigar. It's like he's not putting on a show, I guess. I feel like he's been himself. And we've seen this probably after win three, after win four. I've seen him multiple times in the tunnel, jumping up and it's looking like they won a playoff game. But this is his first opportunity as a head coach. And it's a lot of young guys.  Saquon Barkley, a conversation around trading him. Kevon Tivito, was he the right guy to take it five? So many questions and that team has kind of come together and fought and they look like they're tough out week in and week out. So I absolutely love this from your head coach. They are and Fanduil has odds, of course, on who the coach of the year should be. Sala and Dable in the top three. Who would you pick right now? Ooh, that's tough right now. I would have to go Dable. Yeah, me too. I would have to go D. I'll give Dable the edge right now because Daniel Jones, he's looking really good right now. Not only is that Saquon in that run game, wink and that defense, but Daniel Jones been good, especially on third down right now. So I go with D-Ball. Okay, there's another thing, and everyone can tweet us at Up and Atom, show your thoughts here. This autograph thing, I just have to get your take. I'm not a player. I've been to a bunch of other games and I know I've never seen this before. Autographs in the tunnel, the league investigating two referees for what looks like them asking and then Mike Evans obliging for his signature post game. Have you ever seen something like this before? I've never seen anything like this before. And it's so odd that it's almost like it can't be what it looks like, right?  So it may be on something else, but it looks like an autograph, it looks like an Aspen autograph, but I know it's against the CBA and it gets the rules. So I doubt the ref would do that, but it just looks really, really odd. I've never seen this as a player. And I know his teammates, his coaches, probably walking around like, what the hell is going on right now? So it's really, really odd. That would be the word that comes to my mind when I saw this video. So, okay, odd, great. And you haven't seen it before, neither have I, but as a player, because I don't know, what are players told? Like what were you told about what your relationship should be with referees? And do you know that that's a no-no? You don't really get coached up much about interaction with referees. And I've played in New England. I was the first team I was a part of and we were coached up on everything. How to interact with media, how to interact with, how to answer questions. You saw the quarterbacks answering questions. After the game, I don't know who's starting. I found out I was starting. When you did, when you guys did, so I've never been coached up in those interactions. You want to be as nice to the referees as possible. So maybe this is Mike Evans doing that. Maybe. He does push off a little bit. So maybe he's buttering him up for later. But Darius, if you're on the other team and walk out to the tunnel and see this, how do you feel? Like I said, this is something I've never seen before. So maybe, I don't know, maybe his kid is a huge Mike Evans fan.  They were 13 point favorites and got blown out. And you walk up to a guy in the tunnel to get autographed. Like I said, it's very odd. Maybe it's more that'll come out about what was really going on. But it was definitely interesting. I've seen this video make his waves around the internet. But you probably do the same thing. Like you see Lewis Hamilton walking down the tunnel.  I'm definitely chasing Lewis Hamilton for an autograph. 1,000% I gotta get the goat signature at some point.  It's true. All right, but you're also, you are the steward of Shutdown City. So let's go take me to Shutdown City. Let's go. Let's go. We're starting in Miami. I think we got a safety for the first time before Holland. Superstar safety made a huge interception late in the games. Pretty much sealed his victory. I know Noah got one later. He's the first safety actually to move into Shutdown City. So shout out to him. And then after Jabon Holland, you know, Superstar safety down there in Miami. We're gonna stand in as the AFCE sub-star with the rookie, soft gardener. Once again, he's, I mean, he's, this is what it's third time maybe. He's been locked down though. He's had three, three past attention in his directions, forced three incompletions. He's just been locked down. They play a lot of zone covers, but whenever he's in man to man, he can line up and take away any target. And he's ahead of his game too. He's been on here three, four times in the city, been a mayor before as well. But the mayor has moved to the big D Dallas to another guy who had a lot of talks about him, got another pick, got 17 interceptions in his first 35 games. I mean, that is unbelievable. So that's pretty much every other game, Trevon Diggs out there in Dallas is getting his hands on a ball and catching it. And he not only is he catching interceptions, but he's locking up receivers as well. Probably the best defense in the league right now. So Trevon Diggs is our mayor in Shutdown City. So shout out to those guys. Shout out to Trevon Diggs. We love him. Of course gonna have that board recapping the guys. Did we miss anybody? Did Darius Butler miss anybody? As he was drinking a bottle of champagne the size of me over the weekend. Maybe he missed some of the action or it was blurry. You let us know. And before I let you go, I know your parlay didn't hit, my parlay didn't hit. I'm really having like a tough time with this. Like I don't like, don't show it. Don't show it. Take it down, take it down. What are we doing? What are we doing? Get that out of here. Next play, I'm a cornerback. I'm a defensive bat, Kay. Still in my heart. So I got a short-term memory. It's next play mentality. I'll be putting together another parlay tonight probably in the NBA. Is that your advice? Yeah, you gotta move on. You gotta move on. It's the next play. Obviously, guys, be responsible with your gambling. What are you doing? Have fun. Have fun with it. And that's, it makes me more engaged in whatever I'm watching. Unfortunately, my F1 parlay actually died at turn one. The first turn of the race. I saw Carlos San's car go up to smoke with the Ferrari. Is that right?  Like you're doing too much, Darius. You know it. I love to hear your parlayers like, what are we doing? You might be on the something, Kay, but I'll keep doing it. We'll see. Well, in case, we'll say bye to Darius, but in case I did cost you a couple bucks, which is what, you know, maybe you threw a couple of bucks my parlay's way. I've got coupons and deals for you guys after this break. Darius, thank you so much for stopping by. We'll talk to you next week. As always, Mark Ingram is stopping by the show, but check out Darius on his man-to-man podcast on the Pet Mac-Avie show, of course, every week. Look at my purse. Why are we showing this? Bailey's happy couldn't get the win, the Bears beat the New England Patriots. Happy went in after like three plays, three drives, three seconds of last night's action. He was singing along to Stacey's mom. Of course he was. A little fountains of Wayne action. I asked, what is your favorite one hit? Wanda? This is the best. Pats Pulpit thing, Jonas Gray. Excellent answer. Jonas Gray, of course, famous for a four touchdown performance up against Indianapolis. I worked there, I think, up in New England at the time. It was 2014, week 11, and that was a great answer. All right, let's lay out for another guest who never had four touchdowns in a game, but he's my favorite. And he had three. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm ready for war. I'm destined for greatness. That's where to my homie that lead. I'm up on the scene. I told you I'm up on the scene. Yeah, I'm ready for war. I'm ready for war tonight. I'm ready to set a score. Set a score tonight. We love this man universally beloved and always here on the show weekly and unless they lose and they have to fly across the country, which we're gonna unfortunately have to get into right now. But we'll have fun as well. Mark Ingram, 12 seasons in the NFL, and we missed you last week. Missed you too, Kay. We're gonna have fun.  You had to travel because of the loss, all of that to the Cardinals. You want a championship. I want a championship for you. That's what you've been saying on the show. Like, how are you feeling right now? I think you deserve a championship, but you guys are battling right now. I mean, obviously it's frustrating to start the season where we have this not something that we anticipated or envisioned, seeing ourselves when this year started. But the good thing about it is we're a game out of our division and we have everything ahead of us. We can still turn this thing around, but nobody's gonna turn it around for us. We have to do it ourselves. So that's something we have to focus on. And we can't be turning the ball over. We can't be giving up big plays. We have to do well and play in the top 100 football offense, defense, special teams. And all those are things that we have to correct within our own building, within our team and individually and collectively. So that's what we're aiming to do and get back on track this week.  You're in it. You're removed. You know when it's bad. You know what it takes to be good. Are you at this point more optimistic, given what you said, because you're still in it or are you more frustrated? I think I'm frustrated and I'm optimistic, but obviously the frustration is just because we know what type of team we have. We know what we can do. We know what capable of being. And we just haven't done that. You know, a lot of self-afflicted wounds, a lot of playing the way that we're not accustomed to playing, but I am optimistic because of the guys that we have on the team, the guys that we have in the locker room, the mindset that we have and how hard we work and how hard we prepare. So I am optimistic and I do believe in what we can do and what we can accomplish going forward. We just have to correct it. And that's all starting on each person individually and as well collectively to get going. And that started yesterday, but we'll be back in there tomorrow doing our thing, getting ready for the Raiders. And we love that. And I know you have nothing but respect for Dennis Allen, who you know super well, but I'm seeing a lot of stuff out there.  These would be wins. These would be in the win column. So what would your message to that crowd be? Well, I mean, people outside the building don't really matter. They really not here with us every day. They're not preparing with us every day. And quite frankly, we don't listen to the outside noise. And we don't hear it. A lot of people do, but it really doesn't matter. We believe in Dennis and Dennis has done a great job preparing us and getting us ready to roll. A lot of the things that we've done to be in the position that we are, have been self-inflicted. Myself included, we've had turnovers. And we're last in the league in turnovers. The defense has been giving up big plays and missed the tackles. Special teams kind of ranked in the middle of the pack across the league in that matter.  We have to do better. And yes, we can keep saying that, like, this is what's wrong. This is what's wrong. But we have to change it. Nobody else is going to change it. We have to change it. And so that's what we're focused on doing this weekend, getting back to the basics and making sure that we change these things that are causing us to lose. And you guys are always in it. And you're still in it right now. You said you have the Raiders. We're going to see James, right? I hope my boy is healthy. I hope he's ready to roll. I know he's been back out there, you know, kind of like an emergency quarterback role suited up. But hopefully James is out there this week for us. I'm trying to read him. I'm trying to read your face. You can't give me, OK? You can't give me. I need him out there. I need him out there for you. In the world of these, like, these Ellingers and these other quarterbacks that are getting rolled out there, like, no, I need my James Winston to go out there and go off. All right, let's switch gears out to something you're passionate about. Let's have a little fun here. You are, and we love it, that you are part owner. And the season's over. But it's a Major League Soccer team, DC United. So I want to play a game to see if some things that we play for you here that we cooked up are worthy of getting a red card or just a, you know, is it a red card or a yellow card or just a red card? Red or yellow. Red card, you're just me. I don't have a yellow. Get two yellows, you're out. We're just, I know the rules, Mark, Jesus. But I don't know what we're doing here. I don't know the rules to the game that we're playing on the show, but let's do this. Okay, so we're going to give it a red card or not a red card. And let us start with- Don't give it a red or a yellow or a red or a no red. I think a red or a no red. Yeah, we're going to see if it's bad and deserve some, you know, red card action or not, I don't need the yellow card, it's fine, whatever. All right, I'm going to show you this first. Okay, is this worthy of a red card? The yellow is important because it's mild. That's what I, it's true. We showed it on the yellow. Bill's chiefs game, Josh Allen's trying to avoid the pass rush of Chris Jones and Jones trips, Allen, does this deserve a red card? No red. No, why? No red, no red. It's a yellow. It's tripping. Okay, I need the yellow card then. It is, it's a yellow. You get two of those yellows you're ejected so he has one more warning. One more warning for you, Josh Allen. All right, now let's take it to the SEC. Some college action here. Kentucky offensive linemen manning. He's six foot four, 330 pounds. He takes a slap from a six foot 210 pound Mississippi State safety. He can't be doing that. He can't be doing that. He can't be doing that. Yeah, red card for flopping. You're out. You're out. You're out. We don't flop in the end. We're getting the cards. Excessive flopping. Excessive flopping. Whistle, you're out. I love it. All right, and then last week, during the Cowboys Lions game, a ref takes a ball to the head and Jamal Williams hurries to apologize. What do you make of this? Red card, Jamal. Red card, Jamal. He can't be hitting the ref with the ball, man. I mean, he tried to apologize, but look at the other ref. He's like this. Look at the other ref. He's like, what are you doing, man? Like, why are you gonna throw the ball at him? Look at the other ref when he comes in. How does he hit it nine in a head? Bro, it was actually, he probably thought he was looking and just tossing the ball quickly. And yeah, unfortunately, Jamal, you got a red card there, brother. I'm sorry, man. Running back on, running back, keeping it all the way real. Okay, no touchdown celebrations can be subjective. They're not, you know, red card or yellow cards, but we need your, I need your judgment. Yeah, I'm not giving him a red card because I love the effort. I love the effort, you know what I mean? It was in his heart and he did it with confidence. Like I said, we was talking on the show a while ago, if you're gonna do your dance, if you're gonna do your dance, you gotta do it with confidence and he wasn't lacking in confidence there, so. He was not. Quickly, Alabama won, right? That's some good going.  Alabama had lost, but they just, they're finally riding their ship. Yeah, what are your thoughts on Alabama? Man, we gotta get going, gotta get back to playing Alabama football. That's dominating the line of scrimmage. It's not killing yourself with penalties and big plays. I mean, we allowed one guy to score five TDs versus Tennessee. That's beyond me. I've never heard of that. And you know what I mean? So when we got back on track last week, you know what I mean? That was a red card. Tennessee game was a red card, 100%. But we bounced back last week against the right opponent and did our thing. So hopefully we're right in the ship, going in the right direction. Coming off the bye, we got LSU. I think we're on a bye this week. Got LSU coming up after the bye. So the destiny is still in Alabama's hands. We still do everything we want to do. Roll tie, baby. And let's keep it going. We love it. There's other positivity to drop from what's going on. I mean, Carolinas took care of business against Tom Brady, but Christian McCaffrey's no longer haunting defensive coordinators in that division. What do you think the Niners are getting? And this is a player that you've seen up close so many times. I mean, Christian McCaffrey is Jack-of-all-trades. I mean, running the ball inside, outside, catching the ball, pass protection, a leader. And to add him to that 49ers offense, I think that is a headache for everyone in the NFC and everyone in the NFL as well. Just, you know, with Debo, Kittle, Juice Check, now McCaffrey, all those guys in that offense, I think that's a headache. They were a headache to begin with, but now you add McCaffrey to the mix. I think that's a problem for everybody. And quick, I'm not trying to give bullets in board material. You're too much of a veteran to even provide me any. But Tom Brady, what's going on in your worldview? It's hard to win in this league. And anybody can be anybody on any given Sunday. So if you're not prepared as individual, you're not prepared collectively. You can get exposed. And I think, you know, not only Tom, that's been us in the Saints and around the league. If you're not ready to roll, if you're not ready to play, you can get exposed on Sunday. Because every team's good enough, every team has the players to beat you. So you got to be ready to roll. Yeah, you guys got to take care of Josh Jacobs. Keep him from scoring touchdowns this week. You got the Raiders on the docket. Give my love to Devonta Adams on the other side. Yeah, I was hyping up Josh Jacobs for every game, except for this one. Except for this one. Yeah, I was going to say, because you guys were bored. How do you guys not talk to each other that day, then? No, we talk. We're already probably going to swap the jerseys out. You know what I mean? I want them to play well, but not well enough to get the win. You're the best, Mark Ingram. We'll talk to you soon. Good luck. And hopefully we have positive things to talk about next week. Yes, ma'am. Yes, sir. All right, Mark Ingram. We had Darius Butler on the program. We still got to do some couponing here on the show. I don't think Vons is a national. Vons is a Cali thing, right? Ralph's also a Cali thing. We've got some great stuff for you. If you spent a couple bucks on my Parley and loss, it's all after this. 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It seems like he's going to be the guy for Carolina in the wake of the McCaffrey trade to the Niners. And he's still available like 60-something percent of leagues. So he should be a top priority. Another running back for you, giving buys and injuries and shake-ups, Gus Edwards. Listen, Gus made a surprise appearance on Sunday. His first game in nearly two years, racking up 66 rushing yards and two scores. He's still around, just hanging around. What did all of you give up that he's available in 90% of leagues? Come on, Dobbins is out at least a month.  Quarterback? I can't quit Daniel Jones. I'm excited. I'm not smoking a cigar in the middle of the day like Dabel, but I am picking up at my fantasy league because he may not rush for 100 every week, but it's clear he will continue to add value with his legs. He's the second leading rusher among quarterbacks this year, and he's only rostered in like 29% of leagues. Believe in Daniel Jones. Scoop him up. He's a good bi-week replacement for the Seahawks, against the Seahawks defense. That's been top 10 most generous to quarterbacks and a tight end for good measure, Evan Angrum. Aw, he's probably not having any fun. He was a giant, didn't have any success. Then now he's hanging out with the Jags, but he is doing well fantasy-wise. Eight targets, 60 yards per game over the last three weeks. That is the kind of volume that I'm looking for when I'm looking at streaming tight ends. He's available in 70% of leagues. Go grab him if you are looking for a fill-in for Kelsey. All right, there you go. Pick me up. Dante Forman. We'll talk a little bit about Dante later in the show. Little Panthers love Gus Edwards and Evan Angrum. And up next, right here on Up and Atoms, we are flipping the page and putting a spotlight on some player performances from yesterday and by yesterday I mean from Sunday that need more love. Here on Up and Atoms show, we cover the good, the bad and the ugly. Yes, this is good, I'm dancing. Victor Cruz, look out. I hit on all three of my K-makers. All running back edition, let's go. As we welcome in Matt Hamilton because that's the good and that was very nice and fun and we love it. It's a big table. Hey, thank you for that Peaky Blinders joke. By the way, world, I've never heard of Peaky Blinders. Hamilton literally, this is the trust I have in Hamilton. I go, I'm blindly trusting you about that joke to Tom Kern and it killed. You did good. Well, when it comes to making fun of people, you know I'm always on board. All right, so you can make fun of me for this. My week seven parlay. Second time out the gates. I only got one of three if we can take a look. Yeah, we shouldn't show Darius Butler, but me, you can drag to high heavens because I'm better than this. Mark Andrew, he couldn't even get a catch on national tight end day. Insult to injury. Derek Henry, how does he not score a touchdown hammer? He had a big day on the ground too. It just didn't happen for him. I was shocked with that one. I thought this was a gimme. I mean, we were cooking it up over with our friends at FanDuel, Hamilton and I, and we were like, this is free money. Like, we're gonna, this is a, I felt really, really good about it, but it's just not that easy.  I love that advice. But did I handle it better? Tell me that.  No, not at all. What do you mean? It was the second quarter and the voice messages were coming in. That's when I know it's bad is when it's the voice text because you're so worked up that you can't even type.  And yeah, once like three in a row come in, I'm like, God, here we go. Yeah, it wasn't good.  We're all gonna be vested into the early window. I switched the, I mean, I switched the window to try to rub that juju off me and try to get a little more action in here.  Like who's eating of all of the Cheerio rankings? I would think you would agree with me. Multi-grain Cheerios are the worst. Those are all the way at the bottom. Honey not, definitely number one. Yeah, oh, G Cheerios. Those find those apple cinnamon ones that they have. Those are delicious as well. Those are not, that's not going to cut it. So instead to sincerely apologize and to make you guys feel better. Here's a couple coupons and some deals we found to, you know, make up for what we did. Here's the first one. Let's take a look. Okay, so this is Toms. Listen, uneasy feeling in your stomach like I had all Sunday because of the football that I was seeing and the Parley that was not meeting and happening. You know, if you have a churning sensation, it might not be from losing the Parley. It could be a sign of indigestion and that's where Toms and acid chewable tablets, ultra-strength peppermint flavor get this savings. $4.99, $1.50 savings. That's going to save people money for the Parley. Yeah, I like that one a lot. I feel like I need some of those too if those voice messages start coming in again next Sunday. All right. All right, less than a week away from Halloween. How about this?  So put your worries behind you. How about this? Get to Party City on sale. You can get a great deal on a cornhole costume. You'll be the life of the Parley.  I feel like there's a lot of directions that one can go. I'm not going to add fiction and something for Beavis and Budhead too, but yeah, I don't know how I feel about that one.  Beavis and Budhead. If you need, that's an awful costume. I mean, if you are dating someone and they show up wearing that costume or you run the other way, that is the clear it you say thank you. Thank you, I appreciate you showing me the kind of human you are. Marissa's going, it's over. Okay, so now if you need a hobby, something to take you off your Parley troubles. Here we go, I have just the thing for you. It is Michaels. We love Michaels. We love arts and crafts. They have a wooden- Love of Michaels. Yeah, love of Michaels. They have wooden pirate ship birdhouses for $11.99. Listen, there are three sales. As you can see, there's a crow's nest. How about it? You can decorate it any way your heart desires. It's a good deal. Yeah, I feel like if you lose one more of these Parleys, I can see you becoming some sort of unhinged bird lady with like a little webbing of these in your house. You know, and just birds everywhere.  Hey, is it Elinger or Elinger? Elinger, right? Elinger. Yeah, like grr, not jur, like jerk, which is what you are. Yeah, pretty much. All right, we're gonna spotlight some performances. We love having Matt Hamilton on the show, and of course you'll have lots to talk about the rest of the week here, but we're gonna call it local heroes. There's your coupons, you're welcome, but here it goes. And here's some great plays, some great performances. Hamilton, I'd like to give love. And these sort of hit me and Hamilton's vein of our friendship for the past six or seven years. How about Justin Houston? Though Raven's past Russia racked up sacks, back-to-back plays at the end of the first half, keeping the grounds off the scoreboard. Hamilton, I loved it, what a huge moment. It ended up being just a three-point win for Baltimore.  He's 33, he's wrecked up a sack, and every full game played this season. And those two monsters moved him ahead of JJ Watt on the all-time sack list. Ahead of JJ Watt, and you know what, Justin Houston never gets his credit, never gets what he fully deserves, and we see him. Never, and I love that one.  Yeah, do you want to do the next one, or should I go? Oh, I'll do it. The other one that I love seeing was Deontay Foreman. I remember being at Direct TV with you, watching that horrific injury, had this big, long run, Torres Achilles had a touchdown taken away from on the play. I just remember the heartbreak with that, and we saw him have a little bit of a resurgence last year with the Titans filling in for Derek Henry. Seeing him against the box rack up 145 total yards was just, was incredible. So now what happens is like he gets to rewrite something and I don't know, they're rushing me off. Are we off the air now? All right, I don't know. Hamilton, I love it, buddy, we'll talk to you tomorrow. Hamilton for the A block tomorrow, I said so.


A.P.C. Orhanese Tackler, Tikku Overcomments at Arawa Forum. A.K.T. Govno or Yabanji rolls out six-point agenda. And this is Plus Politics. I am Mary Anacom. Controversy has trailed comments of the People's Democratic Party, PDP, Presidential Candidate Alhagia Tikua Buboka, who reportedly advised northerners to reject Yoruba or Ibu presidency in 2023 polls. Tikku was responding to questions posed by northern leaders during the Arawa Joint Committee Interactive Session, comprising the Arawa Consultative Forum, Northern Elders Forum, Samadu Bailu Memorial Foundation, Jamia Matan Arawa, Arawa Research and Development Project and Other Buddies Parley with Presidential Candidate at the Arawa House on Saturday. Now the PDP flag bearer while appealing for the support of the Arawa leaders said, I have traversed the whole of this country. I think that an average northerner needs, what the average northerner needs is somebody who is from the north and who also understands the various parts of Nigeria and who has been able to build bridges across the various parts of the country. Now reacting to that, the Yohanez-Indibu in a statement by its Secretary General, Masio Kechuku Isiguzoro, said that Atiku's utterances had finished whatever was left of the PDP. APC also abraded Atiku over his comment. Now the party's National Publicity Secretary, Felix Moka remarked that Atiku's position spoke volumes that he was unfit to administer the country, arguing that Atiku's posture at the Arawa Town Hall Policy Dialogue in Kaduna was an attack on national unity. Joining us to discuss this is Alex Obunahis, National Publicity Secretary Yohanez-Indibu and of course Osse Aneni who is a PDP chieftain. Thank you so much gentlemen for joining us. Glad to be here. Great. Osse, I'll start with you because you're of course a PDP member and you obviously are from the south south of the country. When your presidential candidate said what he said, how did that sit well with you?  I'm even saying that if I don't vote for ethnic identity, don't vote for a Yoruba candidate, don't vote for a Yoruba candidate, but vote for me, a pan-Nigerian, northern, who can still do this across the nation. Atiku has always put himself forward as a unifier, as a person who can appeal our decisions that have never been as wild as they are today. In 2019, Yohanez-Indibu embraced him and recognized that state of being. Aleppo doesn't change his thought. Atiku has always had a pan-Nigerian vision for on Nigeria. So I understand that we are in political season. I understand that the media have maybe a larger appetite for sensationalism. But maybe the better strategy is that we spoke about so many other things that could affect the lives of the others in Nigeria. We spoke about the structuring, we talked about the dilution of power, about state police, about women's inclusion, about the flooding and how he was addressed it. But we just want to set the sound by taking up a context to paint in roads that we don't inform. It's funny hearing for instance the APC condemn the statement again taking up a context. When their presidential candidate was seen saying, it is my turn, it is the turn of Yohanez. So I'm curious, I'm curious Osir. So because one party did it, I mean this is an election season that we're going into and asking for the messaging to be as unifying as possible. But then here you are speaking for the PDP saying, well if party A did this why should we not do it? Is that the kind of idea we want to run with in this political season? Because you're saying that the media also seems to be playing for soundbite. But then there were people who were at that forum who heard whether he said 101 good things and then said the average northerner needs a northerner. You don't think that that would one way or the other tick the senses of every other person who may not be a northerner? I think the question you just asked me makes my point perfect. What I said was that I think it's a real northerner who asks him why he's a northerner because of me. Because even though I'm a northerner, both for me because I'm from Nigeria and who can build bridges across the nation. That's what he said. He didn't say both for me because I'm a northerner and don't vote for others because of their identity. But did he not say that as a northerner what a northerner needs is a northerner? What exactly do you think he meant by that? By saying well because I'm because you guys are northerners what you need is a northerner and everything else that came after that. Couldn't he have said that what you need is a unifier? What you need is someone who can build bridges other than saying what you need is a northerner. Don't you think it's a very sensitive statement? Sincerely? Again the question that you are asking is the world of context. He was asked a question based on ethnic identity. He was asked why should I and northerners vote for you? And he elevated the conversation to your ethnic identity because don't vote for ethnic identity.  But that isn't important. Okay let me let me throw this to Mr Buona. Mr Buona can you hear me? Mr Buona can you hear me? Well I don't think that we have Mr Buona so let me stay with you Osir. Now let's look at other issues. Now recently we the deputy governor of Lagos State was quoted to have said that a certain political party and its candidate should take its campaign to where he's from. And these are some of the divisive statements that the former president of Lusheckon-Basenjo has spoken against. He has said that the messaging coming from politicians has to be very deliberate, well thought out because these messaging could one way or the other make all Mars as a country. Again I ask as we start off this campaign season what should be the watchword of these political figures especially those who are running to for the highest seats in this country? I think you know we are maybe too little into the start of that campaign and candidates are already a short business. So if I come up here and talk about the empire, everybody knows what's going on. And I think it's important that our people have a manifesto called the unity scheme. It's unity to seriously economy, education and evolution of power. The first thing is unity. The only word in that app coming that it spells out is unity because you recognize that Nigeria is divided and before you can speak, any other thing will not come together for English. So it's wrong to honestly when I see people trying to put narrative that they want to put an ethnic agenda, it isn't the one. In a book it's reported that having thrown up the South East because it's on the South East. People are reported that having thrown up the South East because it's on the South East. The only country running who they say is not northern enough to have thrown up the South to north and he's not liberal enough to have thrown up the South is my candidate because he's the only one running with Nigerian accent. He's the only one who's using to adopt ethnic or religious programs and he would help with the self-recognizing and didn't fall for the big big headlines that the APC and other parts of the country. That's what I would do. Now, Oaneze of course has reacted to this. The APC has also said that what he said was disingenuous. Now you have already shut that down because you're saying that we're taking it out of context. I did listen to the representative of the campaign who said that this particular statement was taken out of context but now that the campaign train has set itself rolling and Artigo will be seen speaking more and more about issues that one way or the other would help the average Nigerian to vote for him or not. I want to ask you as a member of the PDP, when we talk as Nigerians about a unifier, what do you think the characteristics of a unifier is and can we find those characteristics in your candidate? Yeah, Oaneze called the statement that an Islam of the later age considered that 14th of the sensitivity of the city's majority of Nigerians. So in Nigeria, there is this most cultural relationship that has to be managed with the Koroom. Somebody that has seen the height of the right hand of Nigeria and very much food in Nigerian politics will need a second of him to have used such a ethnic tax, you know, to make his candidacy. So we find that he's also trying to gain out his mind.  So something like this, we are trying to remind him that of all the emotive persons, it's so ethnic that it's going to make for the world that is dying. I'll correct that, I'll tell you what I'm going to tell you about the redemption of this country, how to recover the taxes for the different generations. Somebody who has the expectations, somebody who has the credentials, somebody who has the reputation for accomplishment, that's what Nigeria is looking for now. So just here in the region has also done a lot of work. It is no longer in the past where somebody can come in and impose on everything, but before you know it, you need to change the tune. So we are constantly remarked by the second year by, I think I'll go back to that, I don't expect the same, some reason that we've been speaking with Osir Anose Singh, just as of course the representative of the party had said earlier today that these things that we are interpreting had been taken out of context, that he was answering a question that was posed to him as a northerner. Why should a northerner vote for you? Hence his response, but you're saying that this is a calculated attempt, which you are kicking against. But Osir saying that this was quoted out of context, it was not necessarily what he intended to say. But again, I want to ask you because you said that this is not what Nigeria wants. And you have listed the characteristics that you think the Nigerians of today need. And I'm wondering, you do not think that Atiku Abubaka has these characteristics, not even one of them? When you talk about taking out some context, that's the way that to come in and how to see those, that sometimes people have to realize that some of them have to watch it on video. When you pronounce Osir Anose Singh, that it was a joke. There will be two sense of cheating. Osir Anose Singh are not expected. So when I had the chance to deny it, I had taken my energy to say joke. You have to go for that. But Osir Anose Singh from Nigeria, that it was a serious mistake. He was not intended to say something that he shouldn't have done. So who said that we are cheating? The talk has been about the fact that Abdelayah is going to say he's not going to say. And you are going to say that he's not going to say. No, I'm not going to go ahead. So there's no justification. Even at this point, sir, but that was concentrated four years ago. They talked about what they're doing on mass, and he claimed they're going to take over a week. You know, if it were money, you would have worked a length of, but they tell it to not say, you do not have to talk. So after he, at this time, the thing to talk about is, let the people take me, train if they can, and try to get it called that we are together. So if you are a person, and if you go, you don't say that you can joke that much again. I'm going to go that way. You need to wear. Okay. Osir, I'm going to toss back to you now. Many have touted this particular elections in 2023 to be very, you know, regional election as some of the, or most of the candidates, the front running candidates seem to be somewhat regional candidates. They seem to be pushing for their region. It's either saying, it was the turn of the south, or it's the turn of the southwest, or it's a turn of the north. How can, how can your candidates blur these lines? Because we're talking about Tikua Bubakata today. Again, with this statement that many people have reacted to, it seems to go further to butchers the fact that maybe these elections are more original than national. Because this statement, as you said, may be taking in context, there's nothing wrong with this. It simply is because we are having very similar to what we had in 1999, almost what we are having here to the regional justice of power. I want to, because back in 2019, where the same O'Hanejo, because you're asking a question, but I'm not going to explain what I'm going to describe, O'Hanejo in 2019 is generally said that people have made a back and about commitment to the suffering of the federation and have confirmed the same difference to America. That they know in particular that CDC has given their son Tikua Bubakata candidate and has just given Indigo an opportunity for him to do it. Because it's almost impossible to hear an ethnic social political organization come up and start reading again what it seems to be ethnic conversation. Because that's literally their way, based on that theory. So very, very, how to say, it makes sense because Nigeria is not a diverse country. You need people defending all interests, majority interests and minority interests, whether it's religion or ethnicity or tribe or whatever. So there's nothing wrong with our diversity, there's nothing wrong with identity, but I think what's in the great conversation is when someone says, I am Igbo, I am also, I am Noobar, but I'm also born in that same Nigeria and I can build bridges across the nation. And this is what exactly I think it is. If we're at a point in our country where we're trying to blur these lines of ethnicity, of religion, why even put that in a conversation? Why not say, I am Nigerian? I do not care what part of Nigeria that you might want to put me in, but I am Nigerian. And this is the kind of Nigeria that I envisage to run, as opposed to saying, well, as an Osno, or as a Southeast, or as a South South. Now, why can't we just start from where we want the country to get to? I'm just asking in closing quickly. Osse, can you hear me? I think that I lost Osse. Well, unfortunately, that's the most we can take on this segment. We have to abruptly end this, Osse. And then he is a PDP chieftain and of course Alex, one of the leaders of the Orhanese Ndigo. But we'll take a quick break when we return. We'll be talking about the newly sworn in Iketi state governor and his six point agenda. Stay with us.