ary, just kind of a little footnote here. We did get some letters of both support and opposition and the owner also provided a list of signatures that were collected. So with that, I'm going to include and remind that we are recommending that the council from the planning commission's denial and attached a resolution for your consideration. Thank you. Thank you. Council, questions? I have a couple. In your, there's two slides. You're in your report, you said that the original application was a verbal. You used the term verbal, with their proposal, they didn't submit something for that. You said it was a verbal. Was that just, were you just saying verbally they said it? Or I was just making sure there was a formal proposal for their original plan with the taps and so forth. Or maybe I misheard you. I'm not following the context. I'm sorry. Your presentation, when you go to the slide and yeah, there is, it says proposal and you said that they, it was a verbal proposal. Did you mean that they just called you up and said, this is what we want to do or we want to do these other things or was that the only project they brought forward to planning commission? For the planning commission, there was only one. Okay. Got it. And then in the other slide, you had the property highlighted in yellow like it's residential and just for clarification, it's R1 not MU commercial in the slide. I'm just trying. It was further down. Colorful slide. There you go. Is it highlighted in yellow with the star because it's R1 or is it an MU commercial? The property with the star is the subject property and that's MU. It is. That's my question. Okay. It was matching the others. And I thought that's what the screen colors. Okay. No, no, I just want to make sure it's, it is yellow. Okay. That's why I was just confused about what we were talking about and what that about that corridor on capital app. And then my last question is in regards to this document here in the options where it specifies number of seats. It goes from 26 to six. And are these options one, two and three suggesting six because it doesn't require any parking variance? Is that why the number is so low? The effort here is, I think the applicant is trying to make out restaurant and maintain those six seats with these three options. Okay. And that was my last question. Thank you. Do we know fire marshal occupancy for this building? I ran that calculation actually at one point during the plan review. And I think it was in the thirties. I have a question. Is there anything in the Dunning code that explicitly prohibits a takeout restaurant from having taps? There's nothing that specifically prohibits it, but in the So based on historical context, but there's no actual rules in our code that prohibits that. Thank you. Okay. Thank you. I don't have any questions at this time, but let's go out to the opponents. Yes. So you guys can come up, we'll have eight minutes. Hi, good evening, city council members and my supporters here and also on zoom. So, yeah, this been a four years of battle for my business. First this, I had quite a struggle with the pandemic and also the shutdown and I won't be able to fully start my business in a full capacity. And I hit by just so many directions. So I, this business almost on the brink of closing a store, but I refuse to give up. And I know as a small business owner, it's really difficult to make it through tough times. And I believe if I could just find the right investment, I could make it through to the other side. The new cell port system is really very smart. Just like anything else, we have changed from phone to computer technologies. Giving this business be able to use will be a much need of infusion life for my business. The cell core draft based system has been a hit with customer as it offers a very useful investment. It offers a very unique interactive experience. I took a chance investing in this system and I now I'm asking the city council members to take a chance on my business and support my venture with the cell draft beer system. This will add a great addition to the city and will be a safe, fun way for people to enjoy beer. With your hand in hand support, I will be able to keep my business afloat and thrive, maybe even expand in the future. And thank you for your support. Good evening mayor, vice mayor and council members. Thank you for hearing this appeal and the de novo review of alternatives. And thank you to the staff. And thank you to the city council members. I know that they've worked very hard with us over the months. I'm a Amy's representative. My name is Lynn. I'm going to talk quickly. So I apologize. Amy's shy, but one of your more enthusiastic small business owners, she loves Capitola. She wants her business to be a draw for the community. And she's lucky to be in an environment that's a year around weatherproof business and can be a 12 month of the year draw in her first application for a restaurant cafe. The denial recommendation really focused on parking. I would submit to you because we did want a review from you for that. And the, your land use policy one dash one and your Munich, 17, 7, 6, 0, 5, 0, both are our ordinances and regulations that favor onsite parking alternatives. And so, and this is a business with a topographical hardship in providing its own onsite parking. So we, it is within the realm of your purview to grant variance. If you want to, if you do not want to, we ask and thank you for considering the alternatives. We are interested in knowing what you would support. And Amy wants to make the tweaks that make you comfortable. Right now the staff recommendation for denial, we removed the 26 seats and went back to six to remove the parking problem. We were told you can't have parking, so you can't have this business. Okay, we'll take away the need for the parking.  And it's really what you want as a bar. And we don't want to bar there. Well, that's a subjective opinion that you're right. There is no law ordinance, rule regulation that states a tap system automatically translates to a bar. If so, we would say please look at the totality of the circumstances. If you've been to Amy's business or even look through the windows, you see a light bright sterile environment more akin to a yogurt shop than a bar. It closes at 8pm. It's miners welcome. It's family friendly. We all know what a bar is and this isn't a bar. The open container concerns. Castagnola has a takeout establishment with sales of alcohol and there's not that didn't prevent them from getting that permit. Open container can be fixed by signage and enforcement. The link the time someone can stay. Well, there's no limit to that now. But the concern really we all know what it is, right? Hours of drunken consumption and the impacts to the neighborhood. That can be solved for definitively with the technology system that Amy proposes. RFID technology that cuts off the amount of pores or the size of pores. That's going to limit the amount of time someone's going to sit there and imbibe. We have the three alternatives. I won't go into them here because I'm running out of time. A couple of regular pores. Some sample flights. I won't go into them. I like that one.  The concern that if alcohol is flowing through the traps, the city will not allow there to be any on-site consumption of anything. Even a cup of coffee because it's too akin to a bar. That on-site flowing through the taps can be those bottles that we wish to sell if we're not allowed for self-pore or self-consumption on-premises. Those bottles can be pre-filled and pre-sealed outside of the presence of the customers early before it closes. Some of these taps go into the kitchen and are not accessible to the customers that could come from there. You can do the RFID technology that makes those taps that dispense alcohol only open to the staff, people who work there. You can pre-fill pre-sealed bottles and it's no different than selling a can of Budweiser, which is allowed at Castagnola, which is proposed to be allowed by staff here. You want to sell some pre-filled buds and wines and things like that. Fine with your food. You don't want to sell a can of Budweiser. You don't want to sell a can of Budweiser from pre-filled pre-sealed from Amy's taps. She's simply trying to take advantage of this novel, cool draw. English Ales has a retail CUP. That's much more of a bar and look and feel than Amy's establishment will ever be. You don't have another kombucha shop in town. This is a really cool concept. This is a really cool concept. This is a really cool kind of thing. There are three takeout establishments right now that have alcohol. The daily grind bottle shop, the Castagnola's and little co's. And I am out of time, but we are here for questions. Thank you. Great. Thank you so much. Council, do you have questions for the panel? I do. I am just curious as to you just referenced possibly having the taps that would contain alcoholic beverage be just in a portion of the restaurant that wouldn't be accessible by it would just be for the employees, right? So how many taps is that right now? So first of all, they can all be inaccessible to customers with the RFID technology. Right? Because you have to have a card or a bracelet or something to make them work. But the ones that are specifically in the kitchen, which if you've seen this is a large commercial kitchen space, how many are like around that corner? Yes, eight. Eight. Okay. And so is that what you would be proposing overall is those eight just be used for alcohol and the rest would be kombucha, right? Yes. If the council does not want to allow a self poor consumption on site model. So if you want to allow somebody to come up and say, I want to try that one and pull it themselves, whether it's a 16 ounce cup or a four ounce flight. If that, you know, then they'd have to have a card key, RFID technology that limits them to whatever is the rule. And, um, if you want to make sure that you have a safe space, a safe space, a safe space, an alcohol tap, then it can be achieved either by the alcohol taps being wired as you were to only staff or use of the ones that are even out of outreach. Okay. And as the, um, I know there was a proposed plan to, was it to redesign the kitchen to make it more, um, use of food? Yes. Thank you. Yeah. So the revised full plan is, uh, to giving a, a more service food area. Okay. Yeah. And that also approved by Santa Cruz health department. Okay. Great. Thank you. I follow up on a with that. So in the options that are for modifications here are the alternative options, um, for option, the others, not with the original application, is it to be assumed that the kitchen is part of those options automatically? Cause I don't see it mentioned in the, the breakdown here. Food service is contemplated for all the options. Okay. So that's, and to be, to be more clear on that. For the particular takeouts rather than restaurant, you would need that those modifications to the kitchen still for the takeout options. Uh, it's my, I'm not an ABC lawyer, but it's my understanding that, um, as a takeout establishment with the type 41 on sale beer and wine license, you have to offer food. And so it's not just like a bar with incidental food is what you might think, like you're sitting at the big dark bar and there's a bowl of pretzels. Okay. Um, that's incidental food to alcohol consumption, right? Little bowl of nuts, little bowl of pretzels. Um, this is, this isn't full restaurant meal, but it's like sandwiches, salads. So the, the piece of the puzzle we're missing here, if it were to go to the other options. One, two or three that specified proposed uses takeout are the possible changes needed for the kitchen. And so I'm not seeing that in this. Because I don't think that that issue, just like at planning, I don't think it's before you. I think actually that that's an issue for the ABC and the count, the board of help. Okay. I'm going to look over to staff if that's true, if that needs to be how that would work. So yeah, ABC does have a requirement for a bonafide kitchen for a type 41 license. And the definition that goes along with that says that it's got to be more than just salads and sandwiches. So it's got to serve substantial meals. But that is an ABC determination. I've talked to the ABC rep that is managing this case. And he has. So ABC with their process, they don't, they won't get ahead of the local review. I don't have anything in writing from them. So I only have phone call with him and an understanding that the kitchen as it stands is not meeting that standard. Okay. So how do we not get the carts before a horse or a horse before a cart in, in any decisions brought made. From the council on this proposal, you mentioned that you did have a conversation with this representative and they were in agreement. Did I hear that correctly? I didn't. Amy has, has met and spoken. I think that the point is that if you give the CUP or you. Or you, and you allow the use, then she jumps to the next level of hurdles, which is with ABC proving sufficient kitchen, sufficient food, all that kind of stuff. Okay. I fail there. Gotcha. I'm, I got you down. Yeah. So there is no active liquor license at this point in time. Correct. Okay. Okay. So now I do have a question. Go for it. Okay. So, and I'm not sure who this is for.  Okay. So if we were to approve the taps, and then it goes to ABC to approve the liquor license. So nothing would happen with the taps changing until ABC gives a liquor license. And that would be dependent on whether or not the kitchen is up to code. But if they say it's not, then nothing changes on the taps because at that point, we can't allow it, right? Like it's, it can't come back to us for another appeal at that point. We don't decide what ABC allows. Correct. Yeah. Yeah. Most of this would happen probably during the building permit. So internal. Modification to the building. And fit out with kitchen equipment. City would get involved with the building. I need an answer. Yeah. That doesn't answer my question. Yeah. I don't know if this answers your question either, but I think that the council would. Uh, If the council wishes to grant the appeal. Any for a project. That project. Permit. That requires the business. As consistent with the approval. If. The. Not. Sure. Business. And we can't change that. Correct. We can't. We couldn't come back to that. And we can't change that. Correct. We can't. We can't. It couldn't come back to us. Saying ABC said we couldn't get our liquor license. Can you guys tell us we can have the liquor license anyway? Right. Like we can't do anything about that once. If ABC decides this can't happen. We can't change that. Okay. The applicant. Don't know that there's anything stopping me. With another proposal. That might require a different. To you. I said, Would that start back at planning commission or would that come straight to us? That would start the whole process over. Brian and Katie. That's how the voice started. And. The conditions. Yeah. Because I. That would only apply with a denial. Okay. So. That would only apply with a denial. Okay. Brian and Katie. That's how the voice started. I'm sorry. The conditions. Yeah. Because I. That limits. The project. That would only apply with a denial. Okay. So can I jump off of that? Yeah. A little bit. So regarding the kitchen, because that was part of the original application and there were some questions about the kitchen. Does that piece of the puzzle have to go all the way back to planning commission. So if they got feedback from ABC and then. CDB, whatever the other group is that. And they say, these are the provisions that need to be part of this kitchen outline for, for you to build. What then happens. They come back with a design to planning commission. Planning commission can approve or not approve. What are those steps? Okay. And is that a, is that a guarantee so that the applicant doesn't need to jump through a million steps. And it's just, it's not to get a building. Right, right, right. And depending on what you issue now, be clear, and I think it's going to benefit us from being in this right here, is if ABC came back and said, you don't have a kitchen, and you can't have a kitchen, you don't have a reason, because the structure of this building and you can only get our time liquor license, then I think you go back to the question. Yeah, I think it would be to resubmit and say I want to have an ID card, not which but our new process. Right, rather than their takeout thing, or at this particular variant. I think I'm looking at our appellant just to make sure it's clear what what those steps are, because it could possibly we don't know what ABC would say. Yeah, we don't know what comes after us. Yeah, yeah, that's a lot. So to clarify, ABC inspector came to my business site. So he has no objections with the kitchen at all. And the license is to serve a bonafide meal, not a bonafide kitchen. So the kitchen is there, as long as if I have enough even counter appliances, just like any other takeout restaurant to serve a meal during my business hours. And that's sufficient. Was that when the. Sorry, Mary, go for it. Is that when you presented it as a restaurant or when you presented to ABC as a continuation of takeout? As current CUP as a takeout restaurant. OK, OK, OK. OK, thank you. No, OK, let's see. Do we have any public comment on this item? Well, good evening, Madam Mayor and council people. Thanks for coming tonight and hearing us on behalf of Amy. Probably like you at our time, processing the whole concept of what a tap room is.  This is very similar. No one's going to be there in a lounging around. It's not a bar. No one's going to be chugging down big, you know, half pint or pictures of beer. It's not about that. I saw people coming into the taphouse and they were asking about, well, are you going to be carrying this type of beer or that type of beer? And I'm going, I'm not a beer drinker, so it doesn't mean anything to me. But apparently out there are some very serious beer drinkers who have a special palate they could taste things. I couldn't tell, you know, a Budweiser from a Modelo. So I think a lot of it is swirling around a misunderstanding of what the concept is about. But I can tell you one thing, Amy has an incredible positive attitude. And I hope that spills into the rest of the village because, you know, they could right now, everyone kind of needs a boost. And what else are you going to say? Oh, but what is Capitola about anyway? Capitola is about change. How many changes have you seen just in the last two years, three or four years? You know, we have a new mall owner who comes and says, we can't make money and I'm all anymore. We can't do anything. Well, things are changing. Yeah, OK, what can we do? We write the zoning, take residential, not a problem. That's a big change. You know, we have other situations that arose like COVID and let's put parklets out. Yeah, if you would have mentioned that before COVID, I think it would have been thrown out the door. But it's a change. And the city has been willing to accommodate changes because Amy's establishment is 50 feet or so away from the village line. OK, what can you say? I'm going to borrow a term that I heard about several years ago when people that lived out of this area wanted to be on committees and probably even the council. And that is sphere of influence. And I would say Amy's building is within the sphere of influence of the village. I mean, you pass it, you're immediately in the village. So that's all I've got to say. Thank you so much. Hi, my name is Kathleen Byrne. And I'm speaking in support of Amy's permit application for her restaurant to serve beer and wine. The self-serve alcohol and beverage dispense technology is currently legal in 45 states, including California. I've personally spoken with the ABC representative in Salinas and was told self poor taps are legal in California and cities which do not restrict their use. And I did thoroughly read the capitol codes and there are no restrictions in that code that would apply to her application or a restaurant that serves beer and wine. And patrons over 21 are limited to two drinks per person monitored by issuing a card in this limitation of alcoholic drinks promotes drinking and moderation, thus not encouraging a long stay at the restaurant. With this limitation, this system is different from a restaurant or bar in which patrons can easily order alcoholic drinks without the monitoring of the number of drinks consumed. Now Amy, in the last hearing, she gave up her idea of 20 seats or more, is down to six seats, which I don't see any reason why she couldn't got the variance because it does mention if there are other properties in the same vicinity and the same or the same zone which there are the same vicinity there are the cork and fork and the trestle. And she's not allowed to have the same privileges as they are with the parking. But she moved on and went, OK, only six. So she, and I find it ironic that the planning department staff does not support the self-serve draft system for the reason it would make patrons stay too long when in reality the self-pour system automatically limits patrons to have two drinks. With only six seats, the two drink limit would help open up seating for customers waiting to be seated. Amy has let me know that she invited the planning department to come and see how self-pour works. And not one person came or took the time to come in and experience how the self-pour system works and especially how it limits drinks rather than encouraging customers to drink more and stay longer by the planning department not supporting the self-port. Can't do any more. It's only a couple of more sentences. OK. Yeah, quickly wrap it up if you don't. OK. We'll just wrap it up down here. Instead of the planning department taking direction from the state and city codes, it seems the restrictions are being placed on Amy's business. And she does not have the same privilege enjoyed by other businesses in the same vicinity in the same zone as not being supported, even though she is in alignment with the state laws and city codes. And she's worked passionately honoring the state codes and city codes. And there is not a logical reason why she should be denied her efforts to provide locals and visitors with an innovative restaurant with a great menu to stop by and enjoy. Thank you. Thank you. My name is Christie, and I live off of 26 Ave. I met Amy right before the COVID shut down. That was three years ago, and I usually concentrate my walks on the other side of Capitola. And it was just by accident I walked this way. I was so surprised to see that Capitola tap room and got to meet Amy. Amy was super friendly and eager. She definitely made an impression on me. I mean, literally in like 20 minutes, she talked about her vision of the shop. And I was so impressed with her bravery to open up a business on her own. Then a few months later, when COVID hit and everything stopped, I was really actually worried about her because it was such bad timing to open up a new business. And then just last weekend, I was here checking out the museum, and I saw that she was open. And so I was so happy to see her again, and I tried one of her kombuchas. I asked her about hard kombuchas because I know that's such a popular thing these days. And she got to talking to me about this application that's going on. And so I thought I would come and just share my experience with her. I barely know her. I've only talked to her a few times, a couple times, but I feel like that she's super eager and willing to help out with to work with the committee to get something going. I do know that Capitola Taphouse will fill the void. Downtown Santa Cruz has got the Roxa, which is that that sells like Alexurs and then MeloMelo that offers Kava. What I do know is that I do like kombuchas and having that closer to home rather than having to go to downtown Santa Cruz would be amazing. So thank you. Thank you. Great. Hello. My name is Mario Beltramo, and I'm here in support of the appellant. I do that, and I do this not because I like the appellant, although I very much do like the appellant. I'm doing this because I love Capitola. I live in Capitola. I walk Capitola every day. I want Capitola to survive, and I want Capitola to thrive, and I want the businesses in Capitola to thrive and represent this town as it should be represented. And I think that entails bringing in good people to run those businesses, number one. And secondly, to have a good business to run. The reason the business is good were amplified and spoken very eloquently by Amy's representative, and I'm not going to repeat that. With regard to the parking issue, I think people come to Capitola and they park, and then they walk around Capitola's village. They don't come just to go to the tap room. They don't come just to go to any particular restaurant or any particular establishment. They come to the town. They find parking. If any of you walk around town, and I know you all do, we don't have a lack of parking in this town. We have adequate parking in this town. 99% of the time, you can find parking very close by. Right behind the police department, there are two large parking lots. Most of the time, those parking lots are substantially empty. People can find parking. Amy's business application should not be denied because of the lack of parking. The way I look at it, it's like a stool, a three-legged stool. The first leg of that stool is the business owner. And Amy is the type of business owner that we want to have. She's a good representative for this community. She's diligent, she works hard. Those are the kind of people we want to entice to open businesses. The second leg of the stool is you, the city council. You've got the opportunity to help somebody succeed in business, in a business in this community that's going to bring people in, that's going to bring money in, and you can do it. You've got the power to do it. It may not necessarily have been done along these exact same terms, but that doesn't mean that you can't do it. Otherwise, we wouldn't be here. You can do it. You're the second leg. The third leg is the ABC. The ABC will look at this and say whether yes, her establishment meets the state's requirements for the serving of this alcohol. If they do, then there should be no reason why this application should not be fully approved. Thank you very much. Thank you. Any other in-house members of the public? Good evening, council members. My name is Ed Newman. I've lived and or worked in Capitola for one half century. And I'm here to represent seven businesses that are located at 331 Capitola Avenue, which is right across the Trestle from 401 Capitola. We support the staff recommendation. The concern is parking. And that has been our concern from the beginning, the first application by Amy. And the reason is that we have very limited parking at 331 Capitola Avenue. Most of it is under the railroad Trestle right next to where her business is. And we have a long-term lease on that area. And we are concerned that if we were concerned with the original variants and we're concerned with any expansion of the business in the direction of restaurant bar and so forth because of the pressure that that would put on the seven businesses that utilize the limited parking at 331 Capitola Avenue, we don't want to be in a ongoing wrestling match with people who want to park there short-term, mid-term, whatever, because it's convenient for them to do that when they go to her place. I mean, we really do wish the applicant well in terms of finding a viable business plan for her property, but think that this is not it. One other concern, which I hesitate to raise, but I will raise because there's been some public comment about the, I don't want to be personal, but you should be aware that there has been some history here of disregard of the rules so that what you hear tonight, you may not be able to rely on down the road 100%. When the first approval this applicant was made, there was some building plans that were approved and then she proceeded to disregard the plans and a notice of violation was issued and work had to be torn out and went back to square one and then she went and did some more work that was not within the approved plans and a second notice of violation had to be issued and that work had to be removed also. And so that's kind of a side concern in that but we don't want to see one thing being presented and something else actually happening that affects our parking situation. Thank you. Thank you. Dennis Norton. I'm not here to speak for against alcohol at this place. I'm here to speak about consistency and giving to the zoning ordinance avenues for people to have this kind of situation and avenue to be able to keep their business going. If you walk across the street right now all the way from the corner of Riverview, all the way down to the trestle, there's two residential structures, all the commercial has gone out of there, separate her building there. With a city that's encouraging people to park on a remote lot, that becomes a major passageway into the village and that's some of the places the places to pass the trestle have done well and the ones up on this end have not done so well. Hopefully they'll fill back in but we can't afford to have vacancies. We got a mall that's vacant here in the city. We need businesses in here and that's what people come here for. There should be a way, an avenue or a business like this to buy into Pacifico. And at one time the city before we actually put the meters in, and I imagine it's 50 years one. Right here. Before he remembers no meters there too. Before we talked about the idea of doing a parking district, that still can be done. A parking district would actually be set up as the mechanism is the parking lots that we have now and the possibility of someday being able to build another story on the one, the upper level there and making it a real thorough type of traffic circulation system where people come to town and park up there. My point is that businesses like this and believe me, the city has not been consistent with this and you won't walk through the buildings. I can name three to four businesses that were offered without parking and came in here and are selling alcohol right now. But given an avenue such as a parking district, we're given an avenue for a business like this to say, okay, I'm willing to pay for four or five, six whatever their parking thing is in exchange or getting a viable business done or a business. And I think this is the beginning. You're going to be facing this quite a bit through the next coming years, but businesses that want to expand, the only businesses that can make it here now are the ones that have been here long enough where they've had established and they're tied in parking that's out there. Which the public pays for, by the way, that's public land. This is public land. And so you as a council have a direction as to can give direction as to how we use our land and do it. I really don't want more parking. I can't even imagine people pulling into the lot next to the trestle there to park there. I really can't, because you'd never be able to back on the road. But I can see giving them parking up here that they hate it a lot. And start a parking district in a parking bank where businesses can expand on themselves. Businesses can prosper in this community without shooting them away. Because we can't afford to shoot people like Amy away from here. We need her in our town. And this is in particularly the village right now. And so I'm hoping that you find an avenue for this business to be able to make itself successful. Thank you. Thank you. Anybody else in house? Seeing none, we can go online. And Diane. Diane, you can unmute yourself. Hello, Diane. Good morning, Anne. We can offer a lot of speak and then we'll come back to Diane. And we will come back to you. Tanya, if you could unmute yourself. Sure. Thank you. So I didn't see on today, and I'm not. I don't have all the history with Capitola with a lot of the speakers. But I just wanted to talk for a second because I happened to be in Capitola and I've been to the chap house and I was really captivated by it. I mean, it's a pretty amazing system. And I was very impressed by the technology and the cleanliness. And I got to talking to Amy and her whole vision.  And me and Santa Jose, of course, lots of people I know pop over the hill for all sorts of reasons.  They've got to go to the chap house. I mean, I think it's a real attraction for the town and the gentleman who spoke earlier about people, coming to Capitola, parking and walking around. I mean, I know that's what I do. I know that's what the people I know do. And we are local visitors, but we visit a lot. You have a nice town over there. So I just wanted to say that I think it's a real gem. And I think it's a real attraction for the town. That's all I really have to say. Great, thank you. Okay, Diane, if you can unmute yourself. Okay, I think we're having issues hearing you. So I think we will close public comment here. And we're going to take it back to council if we have any follow-up questions for staff. Okay. Let's see, I don't have any questions either. So then we can invite the appellants back up if you'd like to touch on any other topics that were brought up. Thank you, mayor and vice mayor and council. I was going to say in response to the staff report that said there was an objection where I didn't see any, I didn't see any in the packet. I don't know if I miss it, but then I understand Mr. Newman spoke. Thank you, Mr. Newman, for your perspective. But a large part of his complaint was parking. And that's not fair. We've removed the increase in seats and the intensification of use and the need for parking variants. So it looks to me to be a pretty well-supported proposal. The kitchen critiques that came back in the fall were when this was being proposed as a restaurant cafe and they weren't rulings because it wasn't really ripe yet. It was just like a warning. Like, I don't know if I see this kitchen happening, right? But the fact of the matter is, as a takeout establishment, the kitchen is sufficient. Look at Castagnola, it is a takeout deli, sandwiches with beer and wine permit. It doesn't have to be a five course meal. So why not Amy's, can she have the same thing? And does it have to be a refrigerator of what we were calling the Budweiser example and not to throw shade on Budweiser, but it'd be much more unique and much more novel and much more fun to be able to utilize for cool tap system for a variety of unique beverages that you don't get just anywhere in this town. The hard kombucha's, craft beers, local wines, that kind of thing. In five years, I did a PRA request. In five years, I asked for any businesses, takeout, restaurant, retail in MUN or MUV, who had requested CUPs to serve alcohol, retail, takeout, bar, lounge, restaurant, whatever, that had been denied. How many in five years have requested it and been denied? Only Amy's, she is the only denial. Why? Everything else is getting approved. Staff is willing to allow Amy to sell these outside cans, Budweiser, that kind of thing. But, or to be retail only and not allow any consumption on the premises, just for sale outside. Why? English sales is retail, CUP, retail CUP. You've ever gone in there? It's like an English pub open till midnight on the weekends, belling up to the bar, no menu in sight. Amy is not trying to be a bar. This is not going to be a bar, but we do hope that the council looks at all the alternatives because the idea of someone coming up and doing the self sample or the self pour is such a cool draw, such a novel concept and a way for people to really interact and test what do I like and what do I wanna buy and this is great. And it can be limited, it can be controlled, you can police with this technology all the undesirable impacts away. But if you do not see your way to improving a model like that, then to go sale or sales from the fridge, sales from the fridge, but either to go or sealed to go, or consumption on premises with your salad, your rice bowl, your wrap, your whatever, just like you could have cracked open a Budweiser cat's signality with your sandwich, crack open one of these pre-sealed, pre-filled bottles to eat with your bimba bowl. It's a distinction without an appreciable difference if you're gonna allow outside commercial versus from the taps and from the taps is what's gonna distinguish this and make this a destination for people to come to. So we thank you for your consideration. Please do look at this page 14 that the staff gave you it's an interesting example of all the CPs in the area. Let's see, did I leave my letter? I did. All right, thank you very much. And of course, if you have any questions, please look at that. Thank you. So have any follow-up questions? No questions, no. I think maybe I'm looking for some clarification. So originally they came to request 26 seats which would require more parking. Now we're back to, I understand the concept and I agree with the concept. I'm on board with the concept. But now that we're going back to six seats, we're not required more parking, right? Okay. So the six seats is for grandfather and is a legal nonconforming, six seat to go restaurant. So if they're not changing that, frankly, if they just had a cooler, there'd be no need for this hearing at all. If they just have a beer fridge. The question I think just comes down to whether or not the tap system is compatible with the to-go less problem. I mean, I think that that's, if that's the direction you wanna go. Right, okay. Help me out, Katie, I should. Yeah, I just wanna add one thing. What is before you tonight is the original application on appeal that's 26 seats, but they're willing to decrease it. So I think their request is for the column A of the original application, but then they're willing to cut it back to six seats. Okay, thank you. Make a clarifying question for that then. So then we would need to, if we were to say that we were okay with the taps, but not the original application of the 26 seats, we would have to make essentially two votes, one denying the appeal and then another to allow taps or would we just make one? Cause I mean, how does it work if we're kind of splitting, if the whole appeal is for the 26 seats application and we want to say we're okay with one part of this, but not the other, how would we vote on that? If it's not just denying the appeal or accepting the appeal. I wanna look to Sam. Sure, so it's de novo review. So you can craft whatever you're willing to approve and then that would just be the motion and the vote. We would want to bring you back. What we would request is that you give direction to staff as to what you believe is approvable. And then we would return to you at a subsequent meeting with a resolution and findings to support that direction. Okay. And then to make sure I've really answered your question, at that meeting you would vote on the resolution, which would include your direction, reflect your direction is a better way to say it. Okay. Okay. Any other clarifying meeting? Are we on comments now? We're still doing questions. Is it possible to get an address again in time? Sure. It's my understanding that like your first round of analysis do we approve the planning commission denial of the application back in December or do we overturn their denial? Okay. Number one. If you approve their denial, yep, that's denied. You don't get a restaurant and cafe with 26 seats. Then you as council said, you go de novo review of the other alternatives. What do you like? What do you support? What do you rule? It is not my understanding that that's a recommendation to staff. You are the final arbiters. You can decide right now what you want to approve. When you get council. Yeah, that's just not accurate. So the, as the code says, and as any permit requires your, the permit needs to be supported by findings. The resolution that staff brought tonight is consistent with staff's recommendation. And so it has findings that support a denial of the appeal. If the council would like to grant the appeal or if the council would like to exercise its authority to do a de novo review and craft a different approval, that will need to be supported by findings. Those findings are not available tonight. So we would need you to give us direction and then staff could bring you findings that would support that direction as a subsequent meeting. All right. We are closing the public hearing. Thank you for everybody's input. So this is a time that we can deliberate and choose our course of action. Where do you want to start? Who wants to start? I'm happy to start. Okay, great. So first of all, I don't think this is a bar at all. I've been in there, I've seen it. It does not look like a bar. So if that's part of the reason for denial, I don't think that makes any sense personally. There are multiple other businesses selling alcohol in mixed use neighborhood zones. There are no laws prohibiting taps from being used in takeout restaurants. I believe that we need to support our small business community. I would be interested in seeing if we could work out more seats using city parking. And in general, I would support definitely option one and maybe even some sort of a hybrid with more seats. That's all. Thank you. Yeah, I have concerns with the parking. And I hear the concerns of the neighbors about the potential for adding the 26, or going up to 26 seats. I don't necessarily have a problem with the tap system. I would prefer, it mentions in there up to, or excuse me, it says, I think no more than 50% of the taps being alcoholic. And I would personally prefer the language to be something long lines to say 50% or less. Or 49% or less, right? So essentially the majority of what you're doing would need to be non-alcoholic and then the rest is alcohol, that's fine with me. But I feel like in the same way that, the threshold for a vote is always 50 plus one for something to pass, the threshold for something to not be a majority alcoholic business should be 50 minus one. So that's just a preference of me personally, but I don't have the problem with the tap system necessarily, but I do have a problem with the additional seating. And honestly, I think, if we were to move forward with the approval of the tap system after that, it's out of our hands anyway, it's up to ABC to decide if the rest of the permitting is to their liking. So that's where I'm at right now. I'm interested in hearing what the rest of the council thinks as well. Yeah, well, so let me just start with, I wanna thank staff for really doing your, this is your job to follow our code, to implement our code. And I definitely appreciate all the time I was put into this and it's reflected here. But with that being said, we're here to also review some things that may be old standards or things that we've never thought about, such as Capitola Avenue becoming such a hot kind of area. We have several businesses that are thriving on Capitola Ave right now. And now we have somebody who wants kind of in on that opportunity.  And so when we're seeing businesses trying to push back and be successful just out of that corridor, I'd like to see that kind of growth take place so that essentially we can thrive as a city and continue to support our businesses in that matter. So I respect staff. I respect what our planning commission did because that's their job to follow those rules and to follow the codes essentially. So they just did their job. So someone had mentioned that they could have done it something, no, they were just simply following the rules as is. I just wanna be mindful of that. So I'm trying to find a middle ground here. I think that with the times we're mentioned that we're coming out of COVID, you're trying to respond, you're trying to find the niche of a business that's gonna be successful because that's what we all want in our community is a business to be successful. And so I don't think that as the original application as presented makes the best sense with 26 seats because we don't know if the model essentially is gonna work. And we don't want, I'd rather not have the business go into that full throttle without really knowing how effective and how great of a success you would be. So I'm looking at the option when it's presented. I like the self poor option with the 16 taps. I think that we would, with the minimum of the six seats or excuse me, yeah, the six seats with council member Brown's percentage of 49% or less as non-alcoholic taps as they wrap around and visualizing, obviously this would be what I'd like to see come back is really clear picture on the system. So what does the tasting look like? What does the sit and drink aspect look like? What is the to go? We haven't seen any of that presented today, obviously because you're waiting on some sort of response from us, but to have that visually in front of us or to hear about that on a report that comes back from staff, that would be really helpful. And again, this would be on the condition of whether ABC passes this as a takeout as an addition to the takeout. What is this called? Yeah, the C, there's type four C license. That's what it's called. So as long as that's an alignment, and then it'll be interesting to what they say with the kitchen. I use a lot of different examples of Palin brought up a lot of different examples of how this is successful with other businesses in the general area. Again, I would like to see what ABC and with the kitchen would look like. So overall, that's how I would like staff to bring it back for us to determine at a later date. So again, it's the option one with the self-core of 16 taps, six seats, 49% or less be really clear on what the system is for tasting, sit down and drinking to go, that sort of stuff. And that is all I have for now. Can I clarify something in that really quickly? I think the 16 taps is listed here are the ones that would be beer and wine. So if we wanted it to be less than 50, it would need to be 15 taps. Okay. Because 16 is half of the total taps in there, yeah. So it would be 15 taps total for beer and wine consumption which would leave 17. I think I heard the Palin say they purchased it already. Like it's already the, all of the taps are in the bag already. And so it would just be 15 of them would be alcohol and then the others would not be. Is that what I'm hearing? Yeah. Okay, got it. Because it already exists as an automatic system. I see, I see. Okay. And I think that's a good start. I would feel comfortable with that. Trying that out, we're in support of businesses here. We wanna see businesses thrive. I mean, and I think additionally what we'd need to think about as a council is that corridor, Capitol Avenue corridor, we've built code that doesn't allow for this kind of businesses because that's how it was, you know, before but now we're seeing from the Cork and Fork to Avenue cafe of businesses really being successful there. And I think we just need to acknowledge that and look at our code at a different time when staff has time to support that. So after the four other things we've directed to you tonight, yeah. Shouldn't we vote and then try to make recommendations or should we try to amend? Well, we're gonna need to speak on what we would like to vote on specifically, I think. Yeah, do you have any points? No, I think it, I thought we were just to vote on either the recommendation for or against. Maybe then they can come up with staff and ideas of how to rework another application. Well, I think we need to put forth what we're gonna be comfortable approving. I just have a couple of things to touch on that. Again, I'm interested to see how this can work and how we can move forward. I think I just need to touch on a couple of things. A big word that's coming to mind is consistency. I am down in this village pretty much every day and I often don't see you open. So I just wanna make sure that you're going to be utilizing this space to the fullest extent provided you have these greater things that you're able to do. The regulation, I've worked in food and beverage service for an immense amount of time and it is something that you really have to be on top of. So staffing, I'm excited to see that you would probably be able to staff this with a few people looking at how this proposal is set up.  I would like to see going in line with what other places do you have available with their takeout options? Is these outdoor seats? So we're talking about six indoor. I don't know what that would look like if you're having tables outside but I also don't want to throw too much in there right away. So I don't know how council feels about that as well. You're looking at the 26 seat one. Yeah, I think so, yeah. Any other questions are the six seats including the outside seating? Right, yeah. Right now they haven't set up where the six seats are the four at the bar and two at the other outside but if the fire marshal occupancy is like 30 for that building that doesn't mean you can only have six people in there. Yeah, she could put six seats inside and have people stand at the bar outside. Okay, okay. Right, or however she chooses to put it. Yeah, okay. So I understand that and then to please be mindful of the neighbors and any work that you're doing that is not being permitted. I would just frown upon that obviously. So let's do this as by the book as we can to avoid any issues that may come from that. So how do we want to move this? Can we do two motions? Okay. We have pushed up. Actually I just want to, I'm hearing a few things about possibly the applicant coming back with a modifications. If that is what the council is looking for I think that's a continuation.  But I just want to be clear that if you're, if you want another, I'm hearing you'd like to see more information and study it further it would be more appropriate to look at. So let me be clear with what then I'm asking for because I'm not trying to modify anything. Actually I think we're reducing what the original application was essentially, right? So it's pretty much staying status quo with the implementation of the TAP system. And so we could have staff bring back that written up with the TAP system implementation with the language of the 49% or less and really clear language on what the system entails for the TAP system. I don't know that I need a study. I just would like that to be written in when we receive the report for approval. So that's what I meant. Not like tell me where you're sitting and what kind of beer you're serving. I was thinking you wanted an amended floor plan. So I apologize. Yeah, no. Oh, no. Sorry. Yeah. And I felt like the appayment was a really specific interested in knowing our take on the self for. And so that's why I included that language that it should be self for as an option for them. So that essentially is what you're asking. That's clear. I just wanted to clarify at this site there was an outdoor proposal and back in 2019 on the side of the lot that was denied because of impacts to the neighbors behind them. I would suggest in when we bring back conditions that we think about that space and ensuring that that's not an area that the public could utilize. And then I also think that the applicant's proposal to limit the hours should probably be built into the conditions where this is in a neighborhood mixed use rather than the village if you're up there. There's an eight o'clock closing time. So I think we can include that as well. And then with the number of seats, which is six. I mean, that's six seats inside with no chairs outside is what? Cause there's like a standing area, nothing on the side. I'm looking at. Or they could put the six seats outside of the standing area but then there's standing room only inside. Do you need that? I mean, that feels a little... So we've moved away from counting seats, right? The six seats is tied to the old permit. We now have allowances for up to 160 square feet within a to-go restaurant today to kind of move away from those six seats. But you're welcome to keep the condition of six seats but what I'm saying is before you is a restaurant application with up to 26. So if you want to increase that number it would just be classified as a restaurant and that's why we're not adding more than six so that they don't require more parking variances. So that's why we're sticking with six where they put them doesn't matter. But they're now permanent as a restaurant. Is that what I'm understanding? No, it'll still be considered as a restaurant. Okay, sorry, got confused, my bad. So we're sticking with six in order for them not to be a restaurant which does not require a variance. So it would be the allowance to be continued to be a takeout with type four license to have tap or system that they can sell for with 49% or less. I think that's really all they need. There's no other additional variants they need because what I'm proposing is that we don't add more than six seats so that we don't need to require more parking. Yeah. So do we need to make a motion or? I think I'm looking to Director Hurley and Brian to my right to see if you have what you need to make the required findings. And if so, I think we'll bring back a resolution at a subsequent meeting. And I think that might be all we need. I'm looking to see if you need additional direction. I think it's clear. So Brian, do you need any additional direction? And may I, just one more thing with those findings that you need to find, you brought up good points about eight o'clock closing. Are we missing anything else?  So the eight o'clock closing also limitations to not allow the side yard to be utilized. Also in the original permit, the planning commission, when they allowed this to change from retail to a restaurant, they asked that the vending system be towards the front of the, go out towards the street rather than to the residents in the back. So we would want to continue to have that out of, for courtesy of the neighbor. Yeah. And I think I did read somewhere about signage, but I just would like to reiterate that the signage will have to be super clear as far as open container laws and restricted area. And then possibly some good neighbor signage about, you know, no parking in the Trussell parking lot and things like that, but that might just be extra. And for clarification for the appellant, it is once permit is in hand that these changes can be made. And she can then go to ABC until that time, no changes. Okay. One more thought, you know, the appellant did bring up the parking and that we also look at alternatives to parking. And so if you wanted more bicycle parking on the site or something like that, we could make sure that's incorporated into the, I mean, there's definitely space. Now you've just, right? I'm buying. I don't know. I don't know about the park. Who's in for another hour? I know. I don't know. Alex actually loves his bikes. He's in. I know a couple of comments actually. Yeah. Not about the parking. I am interested in seeing if we can work with businesses to utilize our city parking lots, but I think that's a conversation for a different day. What I wanted to talk about this though, I think changing it from 16 taps to 15 taps, alcohol like seems kind of arbitrary, but would definitely err on the side of giving the business more freedom to pursue, you know, what they think they need to thrive as a small business. And I also wouldn't limit necessarily 100% of guests utilizing the outdoor space. I think that's also unnecessarily restrictive. I don't think we're not preventing the guests from using the outdoor space. I think that was something Katie was suggesting that we. The side. Oh, the side patio. Yeah. That's that's facing the residential. Yeah. I would, because this has gone through such a process with the community already, and we've received so much feedback, I think as a middle ground that it would make sense to be respectful of the residents that live there on the side.  But I mean, there's a residential spot right there. And I don't know how to pull that. I thought the area was between the Tap House and the Trestle. It was like a big open area, right? And then there's some house. There's another house. There's a house like right here. Yeah, I thought it was just directly to the left was the area in question. Not behind. That's a refuse area. The garbage area. Well, but regardless, that was denied previously. That was denied, right? Yeah. It wasn't part of this application. And it's not part of this application. I just, my suggestion is within the conditions, we should prevent spillover from happening into that area, possibly by like requiring established landscaping in that area that people would- Or like a bike. Yeah, a bike parking. Okay, I see very well. One other item that the appellant and I would like clarified is are they allowed to use their system or is somebody, do they have to pour the alcohol? It seems like what I'm hearing is she can utilize the system that they have in place with the cards and you're not saying- Yeah, that's correct. Yeah, okay. That's what I meant. Cell for, yeah. Yeah, cell for. With the regulations that it's right. Oh, I guess you didn't have- Sorry, nevermind. Nevermind. I don't know about it. Yeah. Okay, yeah, nevermind. Sorry. Like a big open area. And there's no limit on the amount of- That's what you're talking about. Not an option one. I think that ABC- I mean, you can go to the campus. Yeah, following the ABC. Okay. Katie, I'm sorry, I know you're walking away. It's your fault. You've mentioned bikes. And so if we wanted to keep folks out of that area, but maybe utilize that side space for some bike parking or something like that, I think that would be really neat to look at. So. Are you suggesting we require- Oh, I don't want to make it required though. I just think it's a great idea. Did we have specific complaints about using that area or drinking? We did. Okay, okay. You can require it if you'd like as part of the parking variance. Yeah. But there's no parking variance. So it sounds like what council is expressing is some concern about the impacts of the project on the neighborhood. And so, and certainly the council has given direction in how to mitigate those. And so those will be captured. That direction will be captured in the conditions and the concern will be captured in the findings. Great. Okay. So are we making a motion? Or this is the direction. I think staff has sufficient direction. I'm looking to the staff that will be writing. And making sure they have sufficient direction next meeting. Yeah, I was thinking that too. Can we just vote now? I mean, do we really need more information on this? I mean, yeah, it does have to come back to us because we don't have findings in the ordinance resolution. In the resolution that was brought to us in the packet. So typically when we do something like this, they'll write up a resolution assuming this is staff recommendation. If you go with it, we're going to vote on this resolution. Well, that's not what we just told them. So they have to write a new resolution. But for tonight, if it makes everyone feel better, I would be willing to make a motion to say we will uphold the original planning commission denial of the original application and provide an allowance for option one, as listed by staff with the allowance of up to 15 taps serving onsite beer and wine consumption through a self-port system. Does that, if I were to have just made that motion, would that satisfy the legal requirements? I think there's a lot more, but that's certainly not wrong. I think that's fine. I think that's fine if the council doesn't need to vote on a motion, but if you would like to, that would be a good one. Would the council prefer that there be a vote? You want to vote on it? Okay, I just made that motion. That's for fun. I just made that. I'll second that. Okay. Is this coming back to us at all then? Yes. Yes. There will be a resolution and you'll vote. The resolution will be on consent and you'll vote on it again then. This is just a pre-vote. Yeah. We're going to practice our voting skills tonight. Okay. I'm ready to vote on something. Okay, let's vote. First and second, roll call please. Aye. Aye. No, based on staff and other things. No. Okay. Aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. That is a four to one. We will move on to our... I have to take a... I know. Yeah, let's do it. Let's go to our lines real quick. Everybody else get set up. Okay. Five minute break. Yeah. Dick O'Potty. There's only two stalls though. The long one. Yeah. Yeah. Everyone's running for their stalls. I know. Now we're going to be like 10 minutes before we get back. Oh yeah. Thank you. Is this thing on? Yeah, when they open... I'm done by best. I'm done by best. I'm done by best. It's not happening, but... Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. There's our primary vote. Thank you. That was a good one. Yeah. Go for it here. I have no idea. I have no idea. I'm just talking loud enough. I'm just talking loud enough. But it kind of picked it up because it wasn't. That was a good one. That was a good one. That was a good one. That was a good one. That was a good one. It was a good one. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Anyway. We're going to get to where we're telling us, where and how we are. You're fine. It's pretty cool. Much better now. I know. You're in the chair now. Four hours. We have a four hour council meeting in a long time. Yeah. And can you imagine though? Can you imagine though, when the meeting started at seven, it would be 11 o'clock right now. That's what I think about every time. I'm kind of glad we moved it to six now. No kidding. I've been glad since day one. Thank you, Katie. Almost. Good. Oh. We've got a majority of us. I know. We've got a majority of us. We've got a majority of us. We've got a majority of us. We've got a majority of us. We've got a majority of us. We've got a majority of us. We've got a majority of us. We've got a majority of us. We've got a majority of us. I know. The mayor's here. We can get started. All right. I'd like to welcome everybody back for our last item. Before I start adding items. Just for fun. So item eight D. Kennedy drive sidewalk project. About to quiet on the set. All right. Okay. Our action here. The recommended action is to approve the plans, specifications and construct. Yeah. Sorry guys. Let's get through it. All right. All right. Good evening and get married council. We're going to make this really great. All right. All right. All right. So this project is a sidewalk infill project on Kennedy drive. It was a project that was identified during the public scoping session from a Gregor perk and was awarded an RTC grant and the regional transportation program funding in 2021. The goal of this particular project is to eliminate conflicts between bicycles, vehicles and pedestrians on this portion. So this is the current condition here on Kennedy drive. This is looking downhill. Right now it's just a two lane road with an asphalt shoulder. And there's parking lot on both sides. So it is not typically fully utilized. This here is the new proposed configuration going from left to right. It is a bike lane, a two drive aisles, a buffer parking alongside of the street. And a sidewalk. You know what? That was the same thing, but in a drawing. This next item is the striping plan. So you can see the beginning of that uphill. Bike lane on that side of the road. There's no parking on that side of the road to avoid conflicts with opening doors. And then on the down still side, there is a share. Oh, you're going faster. On a bike when you're going downhill. So that's why you chose the share over that side of the street with the sidewalk. The striping there. You can kind of see in the grayed out where the existing striping is, I'd be taken out to provide striping to all improved walkways. So they're across from. On Park Avenue. There is a bus stop and an access to the beach. And then there's a sidewalk going up Park Avenue. Going uphill. We have the share a transition, the bike lane transitions to a share. To avoid conflicts with the driveways there. And then there is a connection to the existing sidewalk on the side street. Putting in this. Sidewalk does necessitate the removal of 15 parking spaces. Again, since this project was proposed about a year ago, staff has been actively monitoring the parking on this stretch of roadway. It is very rarely halfway utilized and even rarer, fully utilized. There was also parking on both sides of the street in the adjacent neighborhood. Again, the funding is partially coming from the RTC, the council allocated $25,000 in funding and fiscal year 21, 22, some of which was spent on the design work. And there are 17 parking spaces. And then there's the construction of the project. And then there's the funding and fiscal year 21, 22, some of which was spent on the design work. And there are 17,000 available left for construction. The schedule for this project. There is a CDP application involved, which was part of the. Staff report. There's an appeal period on that where we couldn't construct prior to that. This project, since it is being funded by the RTC needs to go through their projects. And then there's the funding and fiscal year 21, 20, 20, 20, 20, 20, 20, 20, 20, 20, 20, 20, 20, 20, 20, 20, 20, 20, 20, 20, 20, 20, 20, 20, 20, 20, 20, 20, 20, 20, 20, 20, 20, 20, 20, 20, 20, 20, 20, 20, 20, 20, 20, 20, 20, 20, 20, 20, 20, 20, 20, 20, 20, in order to get this, basically this project done with the other projects with FEMA and the other projects the council has in their goals and priorities. We chose not to do a public meeting for this one. This project is not adjacent to any frontages of any property. So it seemed like a rather safe one, not to, but yes, the staff has the ability to go back and do a public meeting. I will say that kind of closes the window for getting this constructed in the early summer. I also want to add this requires a coastal development permit. So we did send out notice to all residents within 300 feet, letting them know of this meeting tonight and the public hearing to and posted on along the street. So just, we did try to get the word out there in order for people to participate this evening. Even for the neighborhood. It doesn't even work. Guys get adequate. I would say, if you want me to respond to council member, he asked if I received any. I'm so sorry. Public, do you want me to respond? Of course. So yeah, when we actually had a lot of staff out there looking at it and a lot of the neighbors came out and actually supported and we're really thrilled to see it. We did receive one correspondence of concern, but they just misunderstood the project. And I believe staff followed up with that particular person and cleared it up. So I think we're good to hear. Yeah. Thank you. Any other questions? We can take this to public comment. Where'd everybody go? Anybody online? Great. We do have a public. Oh my God. Still awake. Great. Feel free to. Hey guys, me again. This is a great idea. So the more sidewalks, the better the more bike lanes, the better. You should approve this and get it done. And we're not even paying for it. It's like a win. Thank you. Thank you. Anybody else online? Okay. Let's go back to council for deliberation or motion. I'll move approval of the recommended action. I'll second that. Great. We have a motion and a second. So maybe we have a roll call, please. Aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. Passes unanimously. That'll take us to item nine. Adjournment. Thanks to everybody for hanging out with us for four hours. Woo. I think that was, are they cut?


All right, here we are at the end of the day. If we could just get one more round of applause for the amazing astronauts. It's not every day. It's not every day that you get to see five astronauts all together, and they are really so gracious to share their time with us. So thank you guys again.  Thank you so much. We are incredibly honored to see the room still packed and full, and we'd love to be able to transition you quickly and delightfully from this to the reception that we're going to do after. And I'll take just a few minutes to tell you a little bit about the team behind today. So there's now over 50 student, staff, and faculty involved in the Space Exploration Initiative, and I'd really love for you guys to get to know a little bit about their story. Two quick fun facts about today. We've had thousands of people tune in via the livestream. So if anybody's watching via the livestream, hello, thank you for coming along with us on the journey. And we also are only day two of MIT Space Week.  And tomorrow, I want to have everybody who's here please come back to this floor, sixth floor of the Media Lab for Sloan's New Space Age event as well, New Space Age Conference. So story behind the Space Initiative. What are we and how did we come to be? The mission of the Space Exploration Initiative is to be a launch pad across the entire Media Lab. That was the original goal. And the Media Lab is a really special place because you have synthetic neurobiologists sitting right next to you and working with artists and architects and data scientists and robotics engineers. And our idea was how do we empower all of those different verticals and all of those different disciplines outside of just traditional aerospace engineering? And I say that as someone who is trained as an engineer and physicist. How do we empower all of those different fields to deploy their work in space, to take their domain expertise up into a space environment? And the way that we're doing it and our tagline that we like to think about is building our sci-fi space future. So if Elon Musk and Jeff Bezos and NASA and ESA and others are working on the rockets to get us there, wherever there may be, Mars, Moon or beyond, we are working on the human, and we sometimes say a little cheekily, the robotic lived experience of space. What are the suite of tools, technologies, and human experiences as we're at this cusp of interplanetary civilization? Our mission in three succinct parts to democratize access to space. So we do this in a couple of ways. One is by things like today, bringing in lots of different perspectives and narratives and voices in the future of space exploration. Another is through outreach. We really prioritize reaching the next generation of space artists and space tinkerers and space engineers. And so we do quite a lot of outreach work with our community, both here locally and nationwide. We're hoping to revolutionize the future of space. So this means taking a new and different approach, something that's special to the Media Lab's magic sauce and now in our amazing partnerships across MIT with AeroAstro, Earth and Planetary Sciences and others, to take not just the iterative next step for space technology, but the crazy, risky, provocative, might not get funded anywhere else projects, and we can have a home for them here and really begin to explore that sci-fi space future. And then the final point is to realize, we really are building these prototypes. This is not simply a design house or an envisioning exercise. We bring in designers and we bring in artists and we pair them with scientists and engineers that can help to realize and get these prototypes out in space environments, microgravity flights, suborbital launches, ISS and beyond. This is the fantastic team behind all of this. So you heard from Joey Ito and Maria Zuber, very first thing this morning, they welcomed us off. Joe Paradiso, I'll be calling up in just a minute because I want you guys to all have a chance to meet Joe. Shing and Maggie, Sans, Devorah, Avery, too many to name and also just want to do a special shout out to David Newman, who you also heard from earlier, who's helped us really build bridges to MIT AeroAstro on whose shoulders we stand for the amazing achievements that that department has pioneered across MIT for history and future of space flight. The ecosystem, who are we beyond just this particular team here at MIT? The 50 plus graduate students, staff and faculty of course, but also 80 member companies that bring really unusual and sometimes unexpected interests in the future of space. This is part of the Media Lab community. Collaborations now across MIT and we also work very closely with NASA, ESA, the European Space Agency and JAXA in addition to a host of new space-age startup companies. This is an artist's render of 12 of the different space exploration initiative projects. Well, like I say, it's a little bit of a where's Waldo of everybody's particular research. You see space food and agriculture, 3D printing, mental health and well-being, thinking about the future of astronaut health and flourishing, virtual reality, entertainment. And if this is the artist's depiction, these are the projects. These are six of the projects that you just saw in that render, but these are the actual prototypes that we launched back in 2017 on our inaugural parabolic flight. You have here our amazing arts curator you'll hear from from a moment. In a moment, thinking about space suits and mobility and orbit weaver project. An incredible contribution to thinking about founding new culture in space, building musical instruments, that's sans-fiche and Nicole Loulier thinking about how do you design a musical instrument that could only be played in microgravity? And the stories go on for all of the different projects. New to the team this year who you'll also meet briefly in a moment is Maggie Koblenz who's brought an expertise in space food and thinking about the design and experience of food. We're now looking at closed loop food technology, so algae caviar, which is her creation and invention. Packaging, recycling polyethylene for the packaging of space food that could then be extruded in a zero-gravity 3D printer. And we're beginning now to also push out to a larger scale across the initiative. What's the infrastructure required to really realize the vision of thousands or millions of people living and working in space? Part of it is scalability, the ability to have modular architecture, the ability to have on-demand space assets, CubeSats that you can rent time on just like we assume now that we can rent time on a cloud computing cluster. And even farther beyond, oh, can I get one back, Steve? Thank you. And even farther beyond just low-earth orbit and space tourism, we now have a fantastic postdoc in the initiative or affiliated with the initiative, Valentina Sumini, thinking about habitats on the surface of Mars and beyond, rigorously designed for thermal radiation, et cetera, and a fantastic award-winning proposal. You're not a real space program if you're not actively launching into space, so these are the ways that we get our work out there. We now do an annually chartered parabolic flight, so 15 different research projects, 25 different people come with us. The next one is coming up in May, so stay tuned for some of the research results. The International Space Station, we hope to be on there with six different projects by the end of this year, so keep your fingers crossed for good manifest timing. We are launching with Blue Origin later this year, really, really excited to be part of the early crew, who, not human crew, but research crew that's going to be on their suborbital reusable new shepherd craft. And we also, to get back to that notion of democratizing space for the next generation, deeply prioritize steam, and as Davis said earlier this morning, steamed. Science, technology, engineering, mathematics, art, and design, got them. Vowels mixed up, but steamed. And the idea here, with our local program, is to give these students, and then also scaling nationally the curriculum, an opportunity to design the entire life cycle of a spacecraft mission. So we, along with MIT AeroAstro Star Lab, Kari Kahore, who you guys heard from earlier today, are mentoring the students as they design, build, test, fly, and gather data from their own climate sensing cubes set. The hope being that this is a program we could scale internationally, eventually through low cost, dropping costs of cubes set hardware, and the availability of space launches, to give the next generation a sense of investment in the future health of their planet. They themselves can take data and understand climate change and understand the science behind what's happening. And where are we going with all of this? Between the research projects here, our collaborations elsewhere, and the outreach, we realized recently that there is a moment now at the cusp of interplanetary civilization again, and it's time to found a real-life Starfleet Academy. Does anybody recognize Starfleet Academy from Star Trek? It was a notion of this is where the space cadets go to learn. This is where you become a space doctor, a space psychologist, or maybe a space artist in the future. And it was also the place where the Starship Enterprise was built. It was the place where the rigorous technology was made. And we have an opportunity with MIT, but also with a global community that we are trying to build through events like these to think about founding this now. This is a moment to really think about founding a real-life Starfleet Academy and in a diverse and inclusive one in the same original spirit of the show. And so with that, I'd like to ask Maggie Koblenz, Xing Liu, and Joe Paradiso to come up. This brings us a little bit to why are we here today? We're here for Beyond the Cradle. This mission patch was designed for us by Sana Sharma. I don't know if she's still in the audience, but thank you very much for an amazing mission patch. The axes, if you haven't already seen the explanation, is for art, science, design, and engineering that has really the spirit of the Media Lab and the Space Institute trying to unify those all together. I want to say thank you to these three because they are the maestros behind a lot, essentially everything that you have seen today. Xing Liu, our arts curator, who pulled together the entire arts panel that you saw earlier, fantastic group of people we were so lucky to have come and the entire gallery and does this not just today, but the entire year for us. So thank you so much, Xing. I'm going to save you for that. Maggie Koblen's the newest addition to our team, and I have to say MVP in every possible way. I'm sure every single speaker in this room knows her name because you have been wrangling and doing just an amazing job, while also still being a researcher in your own right and leading the Space Food Research Trust. So thank you so much. And last but not least, my PhD advisor, Joe Paradiso, who supports me in all of these different things. Let's me have some leeway to try to build space at the Media Lab and is also a fantastic personal mentor and faculty mentor for the entire initiative. So thank you so much. I want to say a couple of other quick things. One, I really want to thank the event staff behind all of this. As you might imagine, there's an incredible Media Lab and Steve Sargent's crew in the back and others who make the event possible. And finally, can we also give another round of applause for all of the speakers that you've heard from today. And what we'd like to leave you with, as you think about next steps after Beyond the Cradle, is our Space Initiative team. All of these speakers and all of you can be part of our growing community. We really hope that you stay in touch throughout the year. We hope you come back next year. We hope you help us build the Starfleet Academy movement for democratizing access to space and fundamentally prototyping and building our sci-fi space future. Because, as Katie Coleman so beautifully put it in the very last panel, space is out there for all of us. Thank you very much. And enjoy the reception. Thank you.


We live in a free market economy. As long as there is low-cost labor and materials, there will be low-cost products. As long as there are low-cost products, there will be people buying them. I don't see a mechanism to change that pricing matrix anytime soon. Yes, it's a wonderful message and we hope more people think about longevity, and durability, and more people in the design process think about longevity and durability. That helps resale, that material selection at the design level helps recycling. Realistically, where we sit in the consumer cycle, we're seeing unit consumption go up year over year. So I think it's tough to expect that to shift. So then we think about, okay, well, what can we do to influence the upstream design process? What can we do to influence the collection repurposing? What can we do to help facilitate this fiber-to-fiber recycling capacity growth? Because if we designed everything for circularity, we actually wouldn't have this problem in the first place.


So guys everyone Thank you for coming here. I'm Lewis and I'm from Brazil Porto Lagre especially It's a really long flight from here Right to Amsterdam, Netherlands, 10 hours flight Start talking a little bit about my my start in 3D and everything I My parents always Incentivated me into the arts, especially Since a early age, this is a picture of me in 99 and I always liked improvising especially creating things due to that I was presented to a friend of mine long-term friendship that started teaching me drawing classes when I was nine and back on that day Blender was really New the version was 2.3, you know, and I was always really creative, you know, and he said to me Well, there's a new dimension that you can transfer that I think as there's a new art medium Not totally new, but I think this is this is a better opportunity. It's a Pathway future And he introduced me to Blender in 2007 as a mistake actually has he Blender as you can see Like back in 2007 you wouldn't mind like it would be softer to be introduced into for kids, right? especially 10 year old kids five year old kids And for him introducing me to Blender in such an early age I for some motive or a divine explanation lost the Structure or how can I say Backface or Structured mindset of a adult program or a program that software that's for for adults, right? And this is my my beginners. I started since the early age Wanting that to tell visual engaging stories through through content visual content, you know And 3d modeling Allowed me to that I evolved with time There's like my early works to more recent works here and That path took me around 10 years until right now when I'm doing freelance for Games problem majority and also Developing some add-ons for Blender as well, and I quite transcended the the drawings I back I used to do as a kid and Now this is all EV by the way Everything real-time How tell me raise your hand who's familiar with Marvel's moon nights Okay, no one that's okay. Yeah, it's one of the the most Underlaw underground Marvel characters back from the 70s and There is his original design. It's this one here is this ones with the cape So I decided as a personal project as well to revamp this character to a more Nearest look because moon night especially has a problem. He has a really good lore really good origin story in Egypt for you for those of you that don't know and He has powers that's related with his Egypt Curse, you know The however, he's he's custom design didn't translate that at all, you know So I I revamped the character to a more unique look. This is of course some concept art I did and also of course some more general list work as Creature design and also Experimenting with organic forms Did the SSS from subsurface scattering from Evie is really great. I'm loving it so far and a more recent work that was a game pitch for a Mobile game and they had a really they needed to animate They need me to create these characters for for their game However, let's let's Dave talk dive into more specific talks here learning curves versus artistic development As a perception I think I don't know if you guys Sir for starting 3d modeling especially you have a really progressive learning curve and What I know is most users Coming from max Maya and you are a software because they know the basics their learning curve is actually a little bit more accentuated They know oh so this term is the exact term to in Blender and they can pick up faster because they know the exact The the convenient tool that translates into Blender for that However, what nobody knows is that this this graph is It's not as perfect as the graph seems we are constantly looking searching and learning new tasks and learning new softwares to Build up on our artistic workflow, you know So what's the few what's what moves us to these new process new new tasks and you Learning new things Well, there's a really does it cold I love which called every child is an artist the problem is how to remain an artist once we grow up and this is from from Picasso of course and I find that to be especially true in our in our art 3d is a really complicated medium We have we we get lost especially a lot in the technique but Especially for beginners They want to know want to learn things fast. They want to learn how to do things fast and With the years you kind of loses Connection with your Artistic intent your artistic Motivation, you know, you're you start doing things just because of the sake of the tool and not because of the Intent itself especially Another just another fun thing here with another character So that it comes down to the title of this Presentation by the way, I elaborate this Mindset let's say methodology for myself in which I started developing some habits for my artistic workflow And how to keep creativity flowing in a more precise way This is what I like calling a rising design. It's a it's a design that I did when it was five years and I Encourage you guys to do the same sometimes. It's nothing new take a drawing from your nephew your cousin something that he admires and Give give them a present model his his Drawings from his traveling 3d for a childhood. This is Really convenient and it's driving design is exactly that is It's your trajectory.  You're building. You're knowing how things work and We are all doing we are all in this path to Get into a thriving design So a little funny thing here with the T and the H just Replacing these letters we get a thriving design and What I weren't really to accentuate in this talk is we are constantly fighting between these two hemispheres of our Our brain we have our intent. We have a passion North Sea Along with the ideation planning and technique and we're constantly looking at So pre-built intent and assigning meaning a Child's drawing It's what I like calling a truism. Sometimes you draw because you find that call but you're not necessarily draw because you have a story behind it you have a assigned meaning and This all comes down to a term we We talk a lot here, which is pipeline, right when the studios we all talk about pipeline Pipeline is it's words a series of tubes and If we replace it for a word such as vision you can build some four axis Matrix from what are really the purpose of Establishing a production workflow that that is successful you have skills you have purpose you have time and originality Well the skills are not a temporal and by a temporal I mean they They they lack in time they become obsolete however purpose and originality may not and We are constantly fighting back between them and trying to achieve a balance in all these four Quadrants per se This is a friend of mine Saito I I talked with him and say hey man, there is a work of you That I really think it would be excellent to showcase in the conference Because you're really diving into procedural we have been playing with procedural things lately It's a trend right and he has this work here, which I find quite Fascinated to explain a little bit what I'm trying to talk to explain for you guys you have the the design per design but Design and not intent the this is a totally procedural ship that he created in in Houdini and In Blender per se For you to have interesting shape is you have three common things you You have no easily Reconcilable parents known intentional layout breakups and Evelyn evenly distributed color harmony As you can see those are interesting shapers the They catch your eye when combined Diving a little bit for the more technical talk This is a really good at all from our friend of mine mark Hings North he developed this First like random shape generator for us to not start with Mainly Primitives that we are familiar with cube sphere cylinders so you start based on something totally random and that for a creative side is Fantastic, it's really good to you for first level of detail in silhouette and Complex primitives of course With that I build a kit batch set with over 100 parts that it could combine together and also They all have pre-made UV maps, so I I don't need to struggle with UVs Sometimes sometimes yes, sometimes no, you know and you build up in it's a really interesting thing to combine like playing with Legos so Design driven story. It's different story and driven design. Is what is one better than the water? I don't I don't know I think a Design driven story or a story driven design They both they both need to coexist so we so we can create things insert things they are not functional and discover functional real ability in these forms and The vice versa The there's this another add-on set flow by Benjamin Soudar, which is really great to Inter average the spacing between the loops and This is a feature. I really like to be implemented by default in blender. I use it a lot in a game that pipeline also Bezier mesh shaper by Raphael Naviga, especially because I used to use curve modifiers, so I had to create a curve assign that to a Cylinder and Merge then you know with this add-on it allows you to just select two points of your mesh and It automatically creates the the bezier for you. So it's more It's less steps, you know from your workflow and of course the the bevel shader from Google some of summer of cold from I think 2017 and Man, it's really good. I really like it especially to bake down and Create this kind of the old seems between two floating objects As well, I'm I'm developing my own set of pie menus to assist with because Blender is excellent in the Primary tools and I think the only thing we need to improve is UX. I think Sometimes you get accosted made it with a a line of thought and This pie menus. I'm creating is more just the tools. I use more often to be in the same Pie menu I I my workflows the following I create a object space normals then I Convert this object space normal into a tangent space normal Mostly because he it's a less of a hassle to create And you get cleaner cleaner seems And after that, of course painting diffuse extracting ambient occlusion and things like that Mostly Blender. This is a screen shop from Eevee. So real time as well and the final result and To finalize this I really like this code also from in the world in which he says everyone would be famous for 15 minutes in the feature and That's not true Nowadays we can now have if you put your effort you can have more than 35 Thousand minutes so I Truly believe that originally lives in unintentional humble thoughts. I think as 3d artists in our profession we need to Stay with that Mindset always with us otherwise with the end of law losing it we won't Be succeed in a artistic way. Thank you very much


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Hello everyone, Naveen Perthiani here from urban4x.com bringing you a new strategy today called the Sing-Up or Swing strategy Let's open up our charts here show you how it's done You've probably read about it on the website and here I'm going to give you a walkthrough on how to get this started All right Let's open up a chart preferably a pair that has low spreads like euro USD or maybe even euro yen And stuff like that. So let's switch on to the 15-minute time frame, which you see right here euro USD 15 minutes Let's insert the custom indicator that you have downloaded which is called the trend line You want to keep the period at 20 and the LSMA period at 20 and What I usually want to do with the width I want to make it a little bit thick so I can view it Quite clearly. Let's make those three as well all of them at three and we can leave everything else the way it is All right, let's click okay Everything is drawn. You can see a uptrend is in blue a downtrend is in red and Let's insert one more indicator called the RS. I it's called a relative strength index and Where that here we go Okay, we want to keep our levels at 30 and 70 The parameters would be at period 14 and apply to close All right, everything else can stay those stay the same. Let's click okay, and we have our RSI down here Okay, so let me show you some examples here. Let's start with the by example. Let's scroll back to and find you one All right, here. We have a by example. You can see that the market was trending all the way down giving us this red to red moving averages and You can see that down here our RSI closed the or start turning down below the 30 level Now once this happens, we want to look out for a candle to break above these red MAs in which K in this case We can see that this one Did it closed right outside of it and you can see that even our RSI? Started trending outside of the 30 now it started it went down to 30 and it's going above it now when this happens at the opening of the next candle we can take along and You can see this trade went against you seven pips and went total in your favor of a total of 24 pips Okay, so that would be your by example You can keep your stops at the swing low of your previous candle, which is right there that would give you a stop of 15 pips and your total Maximum potential on this particular trade was 24 pips All right, let's give you a sell example Let's scroll back here. All right here. We have a sell example right here And we can see that the market was trending upwards which is confirmed by these two blue MAs and We can also see that the RSI went above the 70 level now It's hovering up above there and we're waiting for a candle to close outside of The blue MAs, which is below it and you can see at this point At this candle here, let me draw an arrow for you, so it's easier to see There we go. That was the first candle that closed outside of the MAs and also if you look down here Is our RSI also started going below 70, which is exactly what we wanted the opening of the next candle We would enter a short the trade went against you for a total of 10 pips and it went in your favor for a maximum of 36 pips Your stop if I would personally keep the stop at The swing high of the previous candle which is at 3685 in this scenario. It would be 22 pips away so that's pretty much how the strategy works and It may take time for these traits to come up because it's a very conservative strategy You have to wait for the right setup and it comes on a very occasionally So what you want to do is open up several pairs and keep a lookout for it There are more strategies like this you can log on to urban4x.com and The top of the page you can see there is home strategies. Just click on strategy You can see the list of strategies there. All right until next time take care. Bye. Bye