Hey everybody, tonight we are debating was 9-11 an inside job and we are starting right now. Hey everybody, welcome to Modern Day Debates. I am your guest host, Kaz. Thank you so much for joining us tonight. We have Praise I Am But I Am on the Ones and Two's producing and we are joined by Alex Stein debating Shane on the subject was 9-11 an inside job. Guys, would you like to introduce yourselves before we get started? Go ahead, Alex. I can't hear you. I guess I got me to be any sorry guys. Let me start with that intro again. Once again, I'm Primetime99 Alex Stein. I'm the king of all conspiracy. I have a show called the Conspiracy Castle where I shine a light on all the lies that we're currently living under at this moment. And the biggest lie that we're currently under is what's going on with the Rona but 9-11 was a precursor for everything that's going on now. Oh, let me just introduce who I am. Sorry, I forgot. Primetime99 Alex Stein, king of all conspiracy, the Conspiracy Castle, please follow me. The link is in the description. Thank you. Go ahead, Shane. And I'm Shane. I'm just kind of an average person. I live in the middle of the woods. I don't believe 9-11 was an inside job to back that up if you really do the research. An average person can really find it out. If you want to follow me on Instagram, I do a lot of phishing stuff. There's a link in the description. Okay, thank you guys. And just to let you guys know for tonight's format, we have 10-minute openings. Alex will be going first. We have a one hour of peaceful equal time dialogue followed by 30 minutes of Q&A. And to let everybody in the audience know, we are a neutral platform hosting debates on science, religion, and politics. I mean, I want you to feel welcome here no matter what your views are. So with that, let's go ahead and kick it over to Alex for his opening statement. The floor is all yours. I think Shane was going to go first. Is that correct, Shane? Is it okay? Okay. Yeah, I'll go first. Yeah. Well, didn't you want to go first? I thought so. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Sure. Definitely without a doubt. All right. So I guess I was saying most of the evidence for 9-11 being an inside job is cherry picked evidence. I'd like to be provided with the full sources for any type of evidence presented. Second, it was not a pretext for any of the war to come. There's a lot less or a lot cheaper ways to start war, a lot less reckless ways than relying on thousands of people's silence, over $10 billion in damage. Even saying the hijackers were from Iraq or Afghanistan would have helped that cause. Instead, they were from Egypt and Saudi Arabia. You know, I kind of did some research on my own to why people would think this. People will say hijackers never boarded the plane, but there's video evidence of them. There's their passports, there's reporting from their cockpits, passenger phone calls, and remains of them at the sites. A big, big concern, I guess, would be that the flame wasn't hot enough to melt steel, but no one is claiming any melted steel was ever found. High temperatures caused the steel to lose structural strength, which led to imbalances to collapse. Steel will expand from both sides, cause the middle to slag when there's weight on it. Purgatory ironworks has a great video on this. He only heats steel up to 1800 degrees and it flexes like a noodle with his pinky. The Renfield Tower was another skyscraper that started on fire. However, it didn't collapse at all. But that was a concrete tower, not a steel-framed tower, which is a huge difference. That's like complaining, throwing a glass cup on the ground versus a platform. In January 2017, in Iraq, a steel-framed tower collapsed because of a fire just like a seven. So that kind of further building was a tube-framed building. So when that steel gets hot enough, it's going to come straight down just like as if it was a demolition. A lot of conspiracy theorists will cherry-pick quotes from firemen's, fire people, I guess I should say, saying like it was as if an explosion when these steel-framed buildings have rivets. And those rivets will cause high-pitched noises when they're heated up as they're bursting out.  It's just a loud bang. And then those bomb noises where the floors crashing down onto each other. Another thing that was kind of compelling to me was the Pentagon when the buildings crashing into it. There was a larger hole and a smaller hole. That smaller hole is claimed to be 16 feet for some reason on a lot of these conspiracy theory websites when in actuality it's 12 feet and was caused from the impact of the landing gear through it. The first hole made a collapse or made the building collapse up to I think 20 minutes after it happened. Also a jet crashing into a building will not have the wildly coyote effect. If you know what I'm talking about where if it goes straight through it's not going to make that perfect imprint through the building. I guess my final point in this would be our government can't even hide a seamen-stained dress. How would they be able to hide this atrocious act? That was great. Go ahead, Alex. So now it's my time for 10 minutes.  I think it was just a regurgitation of basically the 9-11 commission. And if we want to start with there, if you can actually just look at the cover-up after 9-11. That's right. I'm talking about not the actual attack. I'm talking about what they did with the steel and how they had if you look at this is something you don't talk about. They already had what was called an emergency command center and ECC on Pier 92 in Manhattan the day before they set it up on September 10th because they were running drills. The same drills are being run by NORAD, the defense system that is actually built to stop a terror attack was actually running drills at the same time. So they didn't even know if they were doing a real simulation or if it was a real event. So what I'm saying is this was a pre-planned demolition of not just two towers, but three towers in the middle of Manhattan. And on top of that, if you look at the evidence when it comes to the Pentagon and it looks at Shanksville in Pennsylvania, there's absolutely no evidence to see that there was even a plane crash there. So you say the difference of the holes, the idea that a plane could be going that fast, that low, actually is impossible because these planes have a thing called a VMR, Velocity Maximum Rate. They can only fly so fast at that low of an altitude without splitting like a banana.  You say, oh, well, Alex, well, I saw these planes go into these towers. Now we can get into the woods of the planes going into the towers, but I just want to bring up this thing right here. These towers are actually built to withstand the impact of a plane. That's right. That's how they were designed.  That's fine. I get it. But let's just go to tower seven. That is the first building ever to collapse from office fires, which is impossible. I don't care if it's made of steel, concrete. If it's made with freaking wood, the fact that it fell from an office fire with prior notice that was spoken by the BBC that the building was going to come down. And that is a 47 story building, which would be the tallest building over 37 states. So the fact that that fell down at freefall speed is a big sign that there is something else to play. And on top of that, the original ECC emergency command center was located in that building. And guess who was supposed to be in that building? That's right, Rudy Giuliani.   He's got hair.   See, that's the problem is the people, the masterminds behind this were very dumb. And the reason they did this was to start a never ending war in the Middle East and to pump up the military industrial complex. And the evidence I have for that is what is called the PNAC, Project for a New American Century that was actually signed by Joe Biden, signed by Dick Cheney and signed by George Bush. And what that was is that was the original declaration for the Patriot Act 1.0. And that the Patriot Act was the ability for warrantless search and seizure of our emails and phones to protect you from terror. So what it did was 911 was a false flag attack in order to subvert the Constitution and take away our inalienable rights. So when you look at the war on terror, there is no true war. What happened was is there were some Israeli art students on the 93rd floor of the Twin Towers. They were able to wire this building. And on top of that, these buildings were built in 1968 is when they broke ground. They fell on 2001. That's exactly 33 years. The reason why 33 years are so important, that number represents the 30 of the angels that are casted out of heaven. And for a person that worships the devil, like the people that built the towers, the Rockefellers and Rothschilds, it's important to have this symbology and secret symbolism. So I know that sounds crazy, but the same guy that designed these towers knew that they were going to come down. And on top of that, the Twin Towers had irreparable asbestos. That's right. You got to look into it. The asbestos was irreparable. That's why they actually gave the lease to Larry Silverstein. And let's talk about Larry Silverstein. Larry Silverstein is the guy who benefited the most financially from the Twin Towers falling down. On top of the single insurance payment, because there was two planes, he doubled his insurance policy receiving $4.5 billion. And he owned the building for less than three months. And on top of that, Larry Silverstein ate breakfast every morning at the windows of the World Restaurant on the 101st floor in the World Trade Center. Conveniently him, his daughter, and his son were all not at work on September 11th and just happened to miss out on having a plane smash into their breakfast. So what I'm saying is you look at all the evidence and there's much more evidence we're going to go into. The sheer fact that they tell us 19 Saudi Arabian hijackers with boxcutters were able to defeat the number one military in the world is absolutely absurd. That's impossible. Osama bin Laden worked for the CIA. And you can see this in a little movie starring Tom Hanks called Charlie Wilson's war. The thing is we created the Taliban and Al Qaeda. We funded them with money to fight the Russians. So the war in Iraq that we were fighting, we created that war. We created the Taliban. We literally created Al Qaeda because we funded them with money in order to fight Russia. And Osama bin Laden was the CIA asset by the name of Tim Osman. So you look at what happened the day of the attacks. Every single plane was grounded except for the planes of the bin Laden family, where they were all able to fly out. Doesn't make a lot of sense. Why weren't the screws put on them? And then on top of all that, Donald Rumsfeld announced the day before that they had been missing $1.4 trillion in their budget. And guess what got hit at the Pentagon? The Office of Naval Affairs, who is in charge of the accounting of the $1.7 or $1.4 trillion that was missing. So there's so many convenient things. We can talk all day. The 9-11 onion is so deep. We can talk about the heat that was left at the fire. We can talk about how they hid the steel. And we can talk about all the holes in the 9-11 commission report. We can talk about the architects and engineers and the thousands and thousands and thousands upon millions and other countries that all agree with me and realize it is a false flag attack and that I get that you have cognitive dissonance and you want to think the government has your back. But I'm telling you, the government is only interested in controlling you and making sure that they have full and total submission of your will. And 9-11 was the number one thing in subverting the Constitution and taking away our rights. Thank you. All right. Thank you so much, Alex and Shane. And we're going to kick it over to the open dialogue here. And let's keep it very peaceful and respectful, guys. And just want to let our guests know, let the audience know that our guests are linked in the description. So if you're listening on podcast, their links are also there if you are listening as well. So go ahead, Shane, if you want to go ahead and respond to that. The floor is all yours, guys. Yeah. Yeah.  You know, I'm not into that game. I don't play that game. But anyways, so I guess I'll start with... Well, hey, I apologize. What did I say? A real quick change. I had it done. No, no, no. You didn't say anything. He was bringing something up. He was bringing something up saying to be respectful. I'm just saying, yeah, I agree. You know, I'm not into discourse like that. You know, and you seem to be agreeing with that. I agree. Yes. 100%. This is what I'm trying to get at. Yeah. Okay. But anyways, so the BBC, I guess, we can start with that. Making the report early. They have done this before. Newspapers do this a lot. Newspapers have claimed that they caught the Boston bomber before it actually even happened.  I don't find news has become less news and more biased towards whatever side, you know, just to be the first to get the story in their side out. If you want to... Oh, well, yeah, I mean, they misreported. I get it. But I mean, just the sheer fact that they would know that that tower is going to fall. I mean, it just seems kind of like a weird misreport or whatever you want to mean. I mean, I just feel like they did have some sort of prior knowledge because you look at Larry Silverstein, even after the fact, he said that he told the fireman to pull it. And I mean, Tower 7 didn't even get hit by a plane. So, listen, I agree. Her saying that it fell down early doesn't necessarily prove that that was an inside job. But it falling, the first steel and concrete building ever to fall from office fires is what shows me it's an inside job. Yeah. But there have been buildings after a building after that, that house. It was, once I think I have it written down here, the classical building in Iraq in 2017. Same exact. Yeah. With all due respect to my Iraqi brothers, I wouldn't compare the quality of a building in Iraq to one in the United States and Manhattan and the business district and probably the most expensive real estate in the world compared to the least expensive in the world. So, I would just say that the engineering is different. But we can agree to disagree on that. Yeah. I'm sure Iraq has buildings collapsed all the time. I wouldn't be surprised. That's a little bit much. But, you know, the military, you talked about peer number 92. The military runs exercises all the time for defense like this. FEMA was running exercises, I don't mean to bring this up like this. FEMA was running exercises against school shootings, you know, five miles down the road is the, you know, that two things don't have to correlate all the time. But that doesn't seem suspicious to you that the FBI has all these bases already set up where all these events happen to happen. That doesn't raise any red flags to you with all due respect, Shane. You seem like a very smart, well-spoken guy. That isn't weird that the FBI always has. Well, I'm saying that the normal emergency command center would have been in Tower 7. That was where the actual bunker was. And they just happened to have a full, complete emergency command center at peer 92. The day before the normal emergency command center would fall down, it just seems a little too convenient. And you go to the school shooting stuff, dude, that's a whole nother debate for a hundred other things. But dude, look into that. A lot of that stuff doesn't make sense. They have porta-potties and FBI stuff already. But regardless, why are these drills happening during real live events? It seems too convenient. But I agree. You can say they run these drills all the time. I get it. I agree with you that they do run drills a lot. But the what about NORAD? Not only was the peer 92, but NORAD was running a totally separate simulation where they were actually simulating planes going into towers. You can look at this audio, whether the audio is real or not, where the command people, the people that are in the command tower saying, is this a simulation or is this real? Because it was so confusing. They didn't even know the people that were participating in it. Okay. I'll be honest. I don't know much. I didn't look too far into the NORAD. I will. I'm going forward with that. But at the same time, if you look at compared to nowadays events, so kind of at the beginning of quarantine, if you watch our military movements, we've moved a lot of ships from the Baltic Sea across. So are we in war now? Or we have completely blockaded Venezuela in the ocean? Are we now at complete war with them? We're protecting ourselves and these drills have to be run to protect ourselves. It doesn't bother me that this has to be done in the sake of protection. It bothers me when our freedoms do get invaded for that. So I will agree with you on that part too. This is one important thing. You've got to look this up yourself. Everybody's looking up. It's his guy named Norman Manetta. He was a transportation secretary. And when during the bunker situation of 9-11, he actually had to testify in front of the Congress, that Dick Cheney, they had somebody that was coming in in a uniform. And Dick Cheney, five minutes before the planes were going to hit the tower, three minutes, two minutes, a guy kept one coming in. And Dick Cheney looked this up. Norman Manetta hearing Dick Cheney say to stand down.  Now, what was he referencing? We don't know that. I don't know. But in that situation, what else could those words mean? You know, it's like they wanted this to happen. And they weren't the first person to do false flags. One thing I didn't say, there's a thing called Operation Northwoods, where they had this, and this is a declassified document from the 60s where they planned on starting a war with Cuba by hijacking planes, by faking it, hijacking planes and saying it was Cubans that did it and crashing them into buildings in Miami in order to start a war. So if anybody doesn't believe me, just look up Operation Northwoods where they planned this attack 30 years before 9-11. Yeah, you know, I'm not going to disagree Operation Northwoods existed. That's 100% real. But it was also a different time period. We were being threatened with nuclear weapons and threatening nuclear weapons. These Middle Eastern countries, yeah, they were threatening it, but they did not have the technology. They did not have the resources to be actually doing it. That's not necessarily true. It could have been stolen at a drop of a dime. Well, with all due respect, Shane, they said that they had then called weapons of mass destruction, WMDs. They sold this. So they actually were, they lied to us. I don't think they knew, but they actually told us the population that it's the exact same situation. Cuba had nuclear weapons. Well, they placated us. They made it seem like these terrorists had nuclear weapons. They described as weapons of mass destruction. Yet when they did and they searched, they never found these weapons of mass destruction because what happened is countries like Russia and these other countries gave America fake intel that they did have these weapons of mass destruction. They say, Hey, America, we sold them these bombs. We sold them uranium.  So America is just going around chasing their tail and they're not going to find it.  So it was actually very similar to the situation with Cuba because there was the threat of weapons of mass destruction and the fact that they might have secret nuclear technology. So the comparison, I think was very similar with all due respect. No, no, no, no, I get you on that one. But it's, it's the, again, the timing, you know, it's, we had our own technology to be flying over them to even figure out if this is actually even true. You know, we have radar technology between our, was it the SR 71 or 72 or something like that planes and stuff like that, that can literally fly into low orbit. And radar. Yeah, I don't know about that. But you said earlier, you said something about the passports. Well, I don't know. I mean, I don't know. I think you might have been. Yeah, I think you might still have a point to make. Oh, sorry. Well, I mean, not really. I mean, we had the radar technology available. But you know, the passports, we can get to that. Our stamp passports of the hijackers and the flight instructors interviews, you know, there have been also flight instructors that rejected them to fly with them. There's interviews of people that said these people were angry. So I chose not to fly with them anymore. Yeah, because they weren't, they didn't know how to fly. They did not apply. Well, the fact that a flight instructor didn't want to fly with Muhammad Ata, you need to actually look into that Muhammad Ata had a terrible cocaine and drinking problem. He actually dated a stripper for part of it. So these guys weren't religious fanaticles. The idea that they were some staunch religious people is fake. Like they just left of Karan's in their cars at the airport. That was all just show. Literally look into Muhammad Ata's girlfriend. He dated a stripper. And she said that they used to get cocaine from that airport in Florida. I mean, that's all this is all open knowledge. I know you're going to take my word for it. But this is a debate. You got to look into it yourself. But look at all you got to do is Google search Muhammad Ata's girlfriend. Do you know that she was a stripper though? Yeah, I'm writing all this down to, you know, I know, but I'm saying this as well. Yes. And you got to look at what I'm saying. Let's let Shane have a second. Oh, okay. Sorry. Go ahead, Shane. Okay. Basically, so then you have to look at war tactics like kamikaze pilots that the Japanese use and stuff like that to where they were taking people that were on death row and had drug habits and then shooting them up with drugs and telling them that we're going to kill your families and stuff like that.  You know, war tactics at that point, I guess. Go ahead. Well, I just want to finish the Muhammad Ata thing because you said that like at the people at the airport said that they were actually mad. Well, if you just look at it, they weren't that mad. They were like using tons of cocaine and they were in there. He was dating a stripper, so they weren't real and they drank alcohol. That's like, no, and they even have the credit card receipts of them at bars. They actually drank at the Hooters in, I believe in St. Petersburg. So these guys weren't staunch religious guys because in the Karan you're not allowed to drink alcohol. So I mean, I think that debunks that. And then on top of that, you got to look into the evidence of Muhammad Ata, the supposed ringleader, his dad said that Muhammad Ata was alive after the fact. Now, I don't know that. I'm just, you know, going on what I'm hearing secondhand. I'm going on by a lot of hearsay. But listen, if we really need to dissect the 9-11 Commission report, the 9-11 Commission report was an absolute joke. If you look at NIST, the National Institute of Standards and Technology, was the absolute fabrication of the facts of how those towers fell. And so for me, that is a big indication that there's a lie because the coverup is always worse than the crime. And the steel, they had to get the steel out of there immediately to China because they never did a thorough investigation for any type of incendiary or explosive device in the World Trade Center. And that's in the Commission. They admit that in the Commission report that they never did a search for that. Which to me, which to me seems like it's a board nation. Okay. So I guess I'll start with the steel. The New York Fire Commissioner, he actually said that there was, you know, steel has never been melted in that fire that it was twisted, warped, and bent. You know, that's somebody, hey, the stream, somebody's on the computer. Shane, I'm watching the debate. It's messed up. Somebody look at the screen. Something's wrong with the screen. Oh, it's not you, Shane. Hey, sorry. I just was going on something. I'm looking at the debate right now. And I guess you guys open up the browser. It doesn't look right on that. It's nothing to do with Shane. I'm saying on the stream. Look at the modern day debate channel. Yeah. Praise. We'll address it. There you go. There you go, praise. All right. Now we're back in black.  I'm just because of the lag that's going on. I'm, when there's a long pause, I'm not sure if Shane is done talking. I'm just going to let Alex go ahead and interject and then I'll try to give the time back to Shane if he did keep on going towards the end of it. Because Alex, you're doing a great job of being respectful and letting him talk and everything. It's going pretty smoothly so far. So go ahead, guys. Continue. Is it your turn, Shane?  Oh, I was done, you know, on that. I was saying that the fire inspector of New York at the time was saying that the metal was, it was inspected. There's no evidence of it not being inspected. You know, the rivets popping, everything like that. Yeah, the rivets popping, but I don't believe they ever took a test for actual incendiary device. Not that I know of. That's not mentioned in the 9-11 commission report. Now, there might have been a third party, you know, test done on it, but that's a cool story, bro. I'm talking about the actual 9-11 commission. So the, I'm just going from what the 9-11 commission said, that there wasn't a test done or so. So there was third party because there's people that said truthers that got the dust from it and said they found nanothermite. Now, do I know if nanothermite was used? I have no idea what kind of technology brought down those towers. People want to say directed energy weapon. People want to say all sorts of things. I don't know that, but I do know that 110-story building falling in 11 seconds is impossible. You can't clap your hands 110 times in 11 seconds. So the pancake theory, like I get it, the rivets, but floor dropping floor, dropping floor like that, it's absurd. I mean, it fell in literal freefall speed. So to me, I think that the top, and like I said, this is just what the architects and engineers said, that the way it fell was very unnatural of how they would predict it to fall. And that's architects of engineers. And there's thousands of those. So you guys want to look into that architects of engineers for 9-11. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And it was a third party. I think the abbreviation was ACC, I want to say. I'm not 100% sure on that, but it was kind of like a long road to even get to that. That was the ACC that did the third party investigation on it. The 9-11 commission report was a little sketch. I'm not going to lie. It seems like they were just like, all right, you know, wipe my hands clean. This was pretty easy. And it's like a person half-assed their job. Yeah. We can go into the structural frame of it. So the way the building is, I interrupt, my bad, the way the building is built is it's basically a square and then a few support beams in the middle. And when those square beams are, their structural integrity is messed up, the whole building is going to come straight down with the heat. I think you would respond to that, Alex. Oh, the structure of a building? Well, I've never seen that in real life. I've never seen the real application of a building falling in free fall speed, especially one that tall, especially if you look at the height that it would hit. I just don't think the leverage would have been enough. And I mean, obviously I could be wrong. I haven't seen a lot of buildings collapse other than ones I see in Las Vegas for the actual demolitions. And then when you compare to those, like you compare Building 7 to a Las Vegas demolition, they're identical twins. So that's when I'm going off of the information that I've seen of buildings fall. And those were pre-rigged with explosives. So you can tell me that a building gets really hot and that it just turns into dust. But I don't think there's an application that you can compare or show me that proves that in real life. Well, it never turned to dust. And like I said, the purgatory iron works. He's on YouTube. He makes a video where he heats up the steel, the same exact steel that was used in it to only 1800 degrees, not even anywhere close to the melting point of steel. So I think steel is 2700 or something like that. I agree with you that steel gets weaker when it gets hot. I agree with you on that. Yeah. So it takes less and less pressure. When it gets that hot, you could drop a piece of paper on it and it's just going to come down like it's nothing. I understand. But if you just wait alone with those huge, I'm sorry. I'm just saying it's just, if you look at the way they fell, the speed at which they fell, and then you said, I think that firemen didn't say they heard what does that, and I can put videos and I don't need to pull up a bunch of visuals of multiple firemen, they heard explosions. So, and even Walter Rodriguez or William Rodriguez, I'm going to give you the custodian's name that's supposedly a 9-11 hero, but he even said that he heard bombs in the basement and like, let's go back to the building. The building was originally bombed in 1993, and the mastermind behind that, you know, it didn't work. A few people died and they researched the building. After that, most tenants moved out. So the building was basically empty. And, you know, they each floor had a football field of concrete. So it's telling me that it's like my weight would push down a hundred and ten storey building in 11 seconds. I get they're trying to make a comparison. It sounds cute in a piece of paper, knock it down. I think that a tower that they designed to withstand the impact of planes should have impacted the planes a little better with all due respect. Yeah, well, I mean, all this structural integrity at that point.  But the force of gravity on top causes all that weight to straight down. It hits terminal velocity or close to terminal velocity. Yeah, but like on my screen, I'm telling you, these buildings, these towers were actually built to be able to withstand this impact. So the idea that that it took them down in that free, this is what I'm trying to say is maybe you could have taken them down. But they shouldn't have fell down in 11 seconds when they were designed to be able to take the impact of a plane. And this is from 1993. This is before 9 11. I didn't make this up. This is a real newspaper article. And this is from the real engineers and architects that designed the building. So you're telling me a building that was designed to take the impact of a plane when actually got hit by a plane, it fell in 11 seconds. Doesn't make sense. It's talking out of both sides of your mouth, not you, but the official story.  Yeah, you know, I'm not going to deny that, you know, people say that it's built for something. And then when in reality, guess what, it fails, you know, that's the point of forward in science and technology. The architecture now is, I would say a thousand times better than it was even in 2001 or 93 or, you know, when the buildings were built, you know, we're building things that are way higher and out of less stable material. Well, that's an exact point. Well, I'm saying I agree with you 100% and that's why they had to take down the towers because they had to irreparable asbestos. And when they were built and they broke ground in 68, I think they were finishing like 74 or 72, I forget the exact year, but they weren't wired for high speed internet. So after 1993, most of the tenants that moved out didn't want to go back in because the building was not even wired for the proper internet connection. And when you have a building that's 110 stories that are all concrete football fields next to each other, that's not wired for the internet. And it's 1999, the building's got to go, the building's trash, it's total. So that's why they did that. So I agree with you, they needed to upgrade the technology. So they need an excuse to take it down and financially, this is the best way because they had a trillion dollar deficit in the military budget. They had a reason to start a never ending war and enact the PNAC project for a new American century. And then on top of that, this boosted up New York, New York, as much as 9-11 was a terrible thing, and I know there's a lot of people that lost it. Dude, 9-11 for New York brought more federal funding and pumped up that city and brought it to probably the peak of its existence, which probably in the time after 9-11 when it had been restored. So listen, I'm not saying 9-11 was good, it was terrible, but the new tower that's there now, the new tourist attraction that everybody goes there, it's not a bad thing for New York City, it's a positive thing for New York City now. Yeah, okay. So it comes back to why would we kill, I don't know exact number of how many people were in the building, why would we kill all those people just for the sake of going to war and the building needed to come down? There are a lot better ways that we could have went to war than wasting 10 billion dollars. You know, I hate to talk about it in money like that because all those people, I don't want to walk on the test, but... Either do I, I don't want to say that and that's sad, but like let's go with the difference between a billion and a trillion. Okay, so do you know how long a trillion seconds is? Do you know how long a billion seconds is? Yeah, none of us will ever be a trillion seconds. Well, a billion seconds. Yeah, a billion seconds. It'll be almost infinite, it's longer. No, just listen, a billion seconds is roughly 31 years. A trillion seconds is 31,000 years, so a billion is one one thousandth of a trillion. So the idea that it cost them five billion dollars, that they had a trillion dollar deficit in their budget that they needed to cover up, that's how you do it. I mean, you're comparing donuts to dollars, you're comparing, I mean, that's small, that's chump change, five billion dollars compared to 1.7 trillion, that's nothing then. Think about the stimulus bill that just signed with Biden, it's 1.4 trillion. Well, just put it this way, the budget real quick, the budget that the Biden just signed where there's 1.9 trillion dollars or whatever it was for the stimulus that took him forever to vote on, that's how much money was missing, that's how much money was missing, all that money that's going to help all these people and pump up all this stuff, that amount of money was missing, they said, hey, we don't know where it is, we spent it, credit card bills, online gambling, God knows what their excuse was, why it was gone, but dude, that is such an exorbitant amount of money that when you're talking about words with Bs and they're using words with T's and the trillions, comparing apples and oranges when it comes to finance.   Probably, I think the government doesn't want to, what I'm saying is the government doesn't want to help you out, no, the government doesn't give two shits about you and I, what the government does is they spend the majority of our budget on the military industrial complex. So what the United States wants to do is it wants to go and paralyze other countries and spend our money putting military bases in all these foreign countries because why? Because the same people that lobby Washington, the same people that lobby Congress, the same people that, you know, run the world are literal warmongers. And when I say warmongers, that means people that want us to constantly be in war. So that costs money, those guys benefit, they're not, they don't care about you, some white guy living and fishing, they think your life is fine. What they want to do is they want to go and make sure Afghanistan is growing heroin and the poppy fields are going good. So they can import that, you know, drug money and use it in black operations, like look at this. So you say the government doesn't do terrible things, just look in the Iran contra, I mentioned that earlier, that United States was giving guns to Nicaragua in trade for cocaine. The CIA was taking this cocaine and putting it in Los Angeles and giving it to a dealer named Freeway Ricky Ross and then giving it to a woman named Griselda Blanco in Miami. And God knows who else. Those are just two people we know. So our government literally has been caught shipping in drugs to give to poor people and ruin society. So like if you think the government wants, the government does not want to help you out, the government gives you the illusion they want to help you out. But in reality, all these alphabet agencies, all they care about is policing you and using you as a cog in the system. Like they don't really care. The IRS doesn't care. They just want their tax money. The government does not want you to be happy. As a matter of fact, they want you to be constantly depressed and in fight or flight modes, they can control you easier. So you're more impulsive and, you know, less likely to think for yourself and make decisions with rationality. Okay.  Sorry for my language again. I don't know about that. But, you know, they don't believe it's allowed.  You know, it's we're still valuable to them because our money goes into their case. You know, where are they making up all their budget loss and end game us. So if they're killing us off, then they're not going to be getting any more money. So that would be, you know, hundreds more people paying taxes for the government. You know, there were over 300 government officials that were killed.  Keep going for a second. I don't know. No, that's, that was it. Um, uh, oh, shoot, what was I going to say? I forgot my point. Uh, uh, what were you just saying? Because I wrote down Tuskegee, but I was going to talk to you about something else. What were you just saying, Shane? What was the last word? I hadn't, I had a rebuttal. What was the, um, basically tech, the taxpayer money. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. This is the point I want to make would make up all that. Yeah. Okay. Well, this is, this is how the money works in the federal reserve system. They don't really care about you. All they care about is when you're born and they issue you a social security number. Once you're issued a social security number, then the federal reserve can loan money against how much they think you're going to necessarily pay back to the government. So it's like somebody's, you know, social security might be worth more than another person. Like, you know, that's deep into the woods of conspiracy, but you being born is enough because at that point, that means the federal reserve is going to give the United States government based on your social. Now, you can believe that or not. You know, that's, that's what they say is a conspiracy, but they don't worry about you.  I know that sounds crazy. That's why they want to give you the MMR vaccine and, you know, make you autistic. But we don't have to go into all that. But one thing I do want to say, when you say they don't want to kill people, you can look at the Tuskegee syphilis experiment. And that was in 1932 through 1972 that the CDC and, you know, the United States, what they did was they infected black sharecropper with syphilis under the guise of free health care.  And it was a whole big nightmare. People got sick and actually died from it. So it's just kind of funny. This is all with all due respect. When you say that they don't want to kill people but you look at the Obama drone strikes, as a matter of fact, from the leaked documents that Edward Snowden showed, that there was a lot of civilians killed during those drone strikes. But what Obama did was after the fact, he classified them as enemy combatants after they were killed. And these were children. These are people at weddings.  So the United States kills people all the time. And the fact that, like you say, that we're worth more money alive than dead, I'd argue that we're actually worth more dead. They'd rather us be dead than alive. Okay.  I lost my train of thought there. More to the point of, so from the point we get our first job, right? You know, I don't know what the tax rate is, wherever. So we're paying that for the rest of our life, no matter what, no matter what happens, no matter what type of government or government checks we receive, we still have to pay money back on that. It's a little different with these care acts, bills and stuff like that. But so our consumerism is ultimately where it makes up for that. So us spending hundreds of thousands of dollars at these local shops, you know, that mom and pop pizza shop or that local hardware store, you know, it's becoming less and less and more larger scale companies. But that is what's ultimately making up for that those deficits. I would argue that the majority of people are poor and that actually costs the money government, that actually costs the government money in the end, especially when these poor people have to be housed.   Is that what the argument is? I would say they don't, but they will to get them to spend money back to themselves. Well, exactly, they will do it to get money back to themselves. Like that's why they do. Yeah, that's why they did 9-11 is because it gave them the ability to give George Bush, well, it gave them the ability to funnel all the money to Raytheon and Halliburton, who Dick Cheney was the CEO of Halliburton. And after the fact, all you got to do is speaking of the money, let's look at the stocks that were shorted, the American Airlines and the United Airlines. Just like how they shorted the AMC stocks and the GameStop stocks, they did that same thing, guessing that United Airlines and American Airlines stocks would crash. And there was an absurd amount of stocks that were traded the day before, so much so that people that worked for the SEC Security Exchange Committee or whatever commission said that there was definitely some sort of insider trading. So yeah, of course, there's people that actually benefited from it, from the stock market, all the people that bet on the stock options to be a put and to go bad benefited greatly. So much so, I think it was 10 times your money. So if you bet $100,000, you made a million dollars in the stock market on September 10th for your investment on September 10th. And the next day was worth 10 times more on September 11th after the towers fell down. Okay. Have you heard about the put options though? Have you heard about those put options that were on all the airlines? I learned more, I learned about it when I saw that the GameStop stuff was happening.   So these people knew that they got their information, whether it be between AirTar inside or trading, them just looking it up themselves, you know, it's They knew both airlines, they knew all the time on whims. But I'm saying they knew there wasn't a put option on Southwest Airlines.  And don't you think that it was convenient that an inordinate amount of trades were done the day before you got to look into it that were not normally done? I mean, what are the coincidences of that? They just, all these traders decided to be like, you know what, I think those engines are going to fall out of that plane. As a matter of fact, it's probably going to happen tomorrow. That's absurd. Do you know that? I mean, I know what you're trying to say. I get it. I get what you're trying to do. You're playing devil's advocate. Like just look at the money trail. Look at the money trail. Those guys in Wall Street benefited. They've made millions and millions of dollars from it, just like these people that are making millions of dollars in the healthcare stuff with these rapid tests and all the, all the other stuff. Just look who's benefiting from it. There always is somebody, especially when the human, when the human population is the one taking the brunt of the pain, somebody else is benefiting always.  And that's how it always should be, you know, equal opportunity doesn't mean equal outcome. 100%. What I'm bringing it back to, I guess, would be more so that, so like the housing market, right? Was the government behind them, it crashing them to do it today, set that up on purpose to make everybody else homeless then? Because a handful of people bet against it, and they came out big too. You know, that's people make those type of bets all the time. Yeah, but that was totally different. We only hear about them winning money. Yeah, but the financial crash in 2008 was totally different. And what they did is they dummied up bad loans and made them look like a rating loan. So that was the actual bank doing fraud.  So it's like, don't even get me started on the evil banks. If you think the banks are the good guys, dude, you're way off.  But let's even get this is let's get in the woods. Okay, because this debate is kind of winding down. We've been talking. This is how deep it gets. First of all, I don't even believe that any planes hit the towers. But we can talk about that. But this is what I believe 9 11 was for. I believe that it was a literal occultic initiation ritual into the new world order. Like, what does that mean, the new world order? Well, it's a lot like the corona. Now we have this new normal. You have pre Corona post Corona life or life will never be the same before. It's the same with 9 11. We have a pre 9 11 life and a post 9 11 life. So what it did was you made us all watch this occultic ritual, we watch a snuff film of people dying and falling out of the buildings in order to change the collective consciousness of society. And you need an event as traumatic like this in order to do it all at once. And when you actually do it, it creates a thing called loosh, like we create some sort of energy from it. And it's a negative energy that we all feel because we're all sad. We're looking at the TV, my dad's crying, your dad's crying, our cats are sick, people are, you know, it has a negative effect. And these evil people that plant it, they can feel that negative energy and they like it. So like, I know that sounds crazy. Like why would they even do this? We can point to the money, we can point to all that stuff. But I get so deep into tell you that they did this as a control method in order to subvert the constitution and indoctrinate everybody to be afraid of either Muslim terrorism or of the unknown that you could at any moment be hit by a plane while you're having lunch with your family and die. So it's that fight or fight response that it triggered, and it created a nation of people that were scared of anybody that worked at the 7-Eleven. Skybear! My cat's going crazy, sorry. But yes, that's how deep I get. I believe it's an occultic initiation we're going to the New World Order. What do you think about that, Shane? Okay, well, so you're talking like masons and stuff like that? Yeah, yes. Yes. I'm talking about free masons.  Rockefellers, I mean, I'm just saying there's a lot of weird stuff. I've been into Mason meetings, like this has kind of been a part of, probably not supposed to be saying this, but, you know, I've been a part of it.  Yeah, you're level. There is no higher conspiracy than that. False, Shane. I love you.  You're a good guy. I can tell you're a really nice good guy. You didn't get to the 33rd degree. Once you get to the 33rd degree of Freemasonry, you go to a temple, basically Solomon's Temple in Washington, D.C. Dude, you're no offense. It's compartmentalized.  You're not the guy that's pulling the strings. But let me tell you something. It's not just America. There's an evil cabal of people in the Vatican, people in Israel, people in China that are all rooting against America, people in Russia. So it's America versus the world. And there's people within our own government within the United States government that are rooting for the world. And so that's basically what happened with 9-11. It was a global conspiracy, for lack of a better word, because look at Saudi Arabia. All the hijackers came from Saudi Arabia. They were best friends of Saudi. A guy named Bandar Bush was George Bush's best friend. He used to go to the White House and eat with them. They did business with the bin Laden's. So this wasn't just an accident. They knew that they were going to have to have a fall, guys. Saudi Arabia took the blame. Then they get to be the number one Muslim country in the Middle East. And on top of that, we don't even do anything to them. We didn't do one thing to Saudi Arabia because, hey, you take the fall, wink, wink. We're not going to go and blow you up like we're going to do to Iraq. So I mean, it's just, it's pretty obvious that the people at play, Israel, United States, Saudi Arabia benefited from this.  So I just said, you're a shell on Afghanistan and Iraq. Yeah. You get that all you want, but I don't collect any sort of check or I pay money, if anything, and then get nothing in return. So, you know, it's, if I want to be done, I can be done. You know, I'm not going to get killed. You know, it's a murder, Chris. But anyways, back to the, oh, go. No, I'm just saying you're, you're a Mason.  And the idea that Freemasonry is part of the global elites. Like I don't know if you know this, but have you ever heard of the skull and bones fraternity? Out of the 13 Ivy League school, they have what is called secret societies. We know fraternities exist at your college. Everybody has a fraternity and all these fraternities have secret handshakes. Well, guys, guess what? There's fraternities within fraternities. And these are things called the skull and bones. Like in these secrets, these secret groups, the reason why they form them is to keep their friends and family and their, you know, whatever their acquaintances in power so people can't usurp them. So, the idea that there's a secret cabal of evil people I know is hard to understand, but you're part of it.    We don't do anything yet. With all due respect, you're not at the top of that group. And I'm not the only one. Have you heard the rumors that people say Freemasonry is involved with a cultic ceremonial ritualistic things that are done in the dark? I mean, wouldn't you think that that's part of the description of Freemasons? Wishy washy on that.  Let's go.   Well, the king of Freemasonry is a guy named Albert Pike. And Albert Pike was a pretty intense guy. I mean, as a matter of fact, he supposedly wore the racer that gave him secret powers. Now, I don't know if that's true or not, but I mean, dude, you're acting like it's just some normal club. You're comparing it to a country club with all due respect, Shane. Freemasonry in a country club couldn't be any freaking more different. I mean, like, I get where you're saying it is a gentleman's club, but dude, I'm not a member of a country club, but I've been to a country club. The Brook Hollow Country Club near my house or whatever is not like the Freemasonry Lodge in Washington, D.C. They're not the same. I get what you're saying, but that is a stretch to compare the two. Oh, I'm not saying they're exactly the same. You know, it's the similar type of situation where these guys are just meeting up to do whatever nonsense. But back to what I was getting at a little bit just before, we're talking about like the ideals being passed down from generation, right? I think completely different than my father. I don't know about anybody else really, but I'm 100% different than my father and his ideals. And then, you know, I'm sure my kid or, you know, my cousins, everybody I've met has been different and has their own views on life other than what their parents have spread to them or what has been told to them.  Just to let you guys know, we've got about 15 more minutes. And if anybody out there in the audience is enjoying what they're seeing, please don't forget to like, share, and subscribe. Smash that subscribe button. And don't forget about the description. The speakers are linked in the description. And even if you're in the podcast, you can also find more from both of them there. Go ahead, boys. No, I mean, we're making a lot of points.  You know, I like it.  I mean, it's kind of funny because to me as a conspiracy theorist, like I'm trying to expose the different levels of conspiracy. So it's funny at the beginning of the debate, I said, hey, the tower broke ground in 1968 and fell and well, five bucks. Thank you, Mariko. But I want to say this. So speaking of Freemasonry, so you know the top level of Freemasonry is the 33rd level. Do you know that? That's just a good question. So the reason why 33 is the top level and supposedly the reason why is because Albert Pike was, you know, I don't know if he was a Luciferian or what, you know, they don't really know what his thing was, but they've really enjoyed the biblical version of a third of the angels being casted out of hell and being thrown on earth. They actually wanted to be descendants of these angels, these Nephilim, whatever you want to call it. I guess angels would be the right word. So, you know, you look at Albert Pike in the 33, like, why do you keep bringing that up? Well, I'm telling you, those towers were built and brought down 33 years after the fact. And if you look, there's a magazine article, Time Magazine, look at David Rockefeller on Time Magazine, and in the picture, he's standing with the groundbreaking of 9-11 in the back. You look at his watch and the watch is on the time 9-11. And so the reason I'm bringing this all up, you're in Freemasonry. Freemasonry is all about signs and symbology. That's how these evil people communicate with each other across the world is they can't just be open and honest about what's going on. So they use signs and symbology in order to talk to each other, communicate symbols. So the idea that the building fell 33 years exactly after it broke ground and the fact that you're a Freemason or the symbolism of 33, because my show is conspiracy castle. I'm trying to bring up the symbology, but dude, you're participating in the stuff you're trying to cover up. I'll do respect. Okay. I would agree that at the beginning, I'm enjoying the conversation 100%. I personally think after this, we should keep in contact. We can keep talking for sure without a doubt. And that it's just you can get into these thoughts that life is a lot deeper than you think, but it really isn't when you break down. After talking to, I was a chef, so I got to meet a lot of people in these restaurants. I got to see how their views were. I got to see how these people really were when they're drunk. Drunk author asks people spout what they really believe. And it's really not as deep as most people would think. And their confirmed bias really gets them to go the extra mile.  That doesn't compute to me. I get that. I just want to say this that I mean, dude, we are very deep things, you know, as human beings, existence, existentialism that we live in is an incredibly deep because whether you believe they're in a crater or whether you believe we evolve from pond scum, whatever story, the idea of civilization is pretty deep because just the idea, and I keep saying this, Shane, I'm sure your dad and mom had sex in their lives, but they had to have sex at that exact moment, that exact time for you to be here. What are the chances that I mean, just think if your dad would have been late, if he would have showed up in the door one second late, you know, you're a different person. So a lot of things actually happen, have to happen exactly correct for you to be here, which would mean that it's either non accidental or it's pretty freaking deep. But I think that's what society wants to do to you, Shane, is they want to make you feel like your life's not important. And then you look at the kitchen atmosphere, you know this, and I know this, I've worked in restaurants, there's a big drug culture in kitchens.  And they make you have they make you have low self-esteem.  That's why it's like, you know, we create the reality in which we want to live. So I know that's a lot of word salad, I guess that, you know, they want you to, you know, at the end of the day. No, no, no, no, no. What I'm trying to say is, you know, we live in a world of lies. And I know that you're like, why does the government want to lie?  I don't know why people get in power and absolutely turn corrupt, but I do know that absolute power absolutely corrupts. And so when you have people in power, they can all be bought and sold for money. Money's the root of all evil. There's no integrity left with politics.  I will agree with you on that one. Anybody that idolizes a politician is, you know, out of their mind to me. You know, that's another thing completely is have these politicians have just become to lie to us on certain topics so they can get their paycheck at the end of the day, so they can sit in the office for 70 years and then hold their same policy that doesn't evolve with time. You know, there's a point of we should question these things. And then there's a point of we have the answers already. You know, like Project Northwoods, that's something not very many people know about. That's something that we should be actually questioning. But something like this, you know, it's fairly clear cut if you're really looking into it, like research is hard, but conspiracy theory is easy. I would disagree with all due respect. Conspiracy theory is not easy because you have to be passionate about it. I have to read so many rabbit holes where I get lost.  I agree. You know, you look at you look at a lot of what's going on.   And this isn't a religious show, but you just look at all the coincidences surrounding 9-11 and you look at the people that benefited from me. There's no way that we didn't start that war with some preconceived plan. And I'm like, what's that plan? You got to look into the PNEC, Project for New American Century. They had this plan. They had to be able because they know that technology was going to take over. So like, well, how can we control our civilians? Well, we'll put the Patriot Act in. And then with that, we can look at their phones and their emails with no warrant.  And then you look at Guantanamo Bay. Guantanamo Bay is an absolute absurd.  They don't have any of the same freedoms or rights that we have. So that just shows you we have a corrupt government the way they treat other people. And I hate that. I want to live in a world where our government's not corrupt, but that corruption runs deep. And I believe 9-11, the government corruption was all over. All right. Well, I will agree that the government is corrupt in some areas.  But if you're coming in from overseas or anywhere than that, then no, if you're trying to kill American citizens by through terrorism and attacks like that, then why do you deserve the freedoms that we have? You want to take our freedoms away. So why do you deserve the freedoms you want to take away? Why do I deserve the freedoms? I don't know. I'm sorry. No, no, keep going. Keep going. I want to hear your point. I was confused. Sorry, sir. More along the lines. I'm sorry. You can go. We got about five minutes left. We got five. Okay. Well, let's wrap this. You know, it's been a great conversation and I'm sure you want to make a point. So I'll just make my point. I mean, I've repeated myself so many times. But I can see where you want to have what is called, in my opinion, called cognitive dissonance. You want to believe that when they tell us what happened, like when the media tells us what happens, that that's the truth. But unfortunately, the media has no integrity. The media lies constantly and the media will continue to always lie because they have an agenda. And that same lie of the weapons of mass destruction that started a never-ending war in Iraq was all trauma-based mind control. And that trauma-based mind control worked. It worked like a charm. It got all of us in order here in America to be like, I hate them Muslims.  People here in Texas were fighting people at gas stations. The trauma-based mind control worked so well that you actually had people, children, kids in school rooting for war. I think war is the most disgusting thing ever. I'm anti-war now. I don't believe in it. I believe that it happens, but I don't think we should ever kill somebody. We're humans. We should be able to talk things out. I know that sounds like an impossibility. But the sheer fact that because of 9-11, Barack Obama was able to drone strike children at weddings makes me absolutely sick. So you look at the people, you follow the money. It all leads to an inside job. Look at the 9-11 Commission Port. Absolutely false. Look at Tower 7 falling an absolute freefall speed from an office fire. And it's supposed to be the only other building that did that was in Iraq. Well, you know what? We probably knocked down that building that fell in freefall speed in Iraq, too. So it's probably the work of the United States government as well. But I'm just guessing that. I don't know that. But America's good at making buildings fall down. You can go watch them do it in Las Vegas all the time. And if you compare Tower 7 to any of those Las Vegas demolitions, they're identical twins. So I love the debate. Please finish the open talking period. Thank you, Shane, for being such a good competitor this evening. Can you still hear me? Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yes. Yes. Oh, hello. Yeah, we can hear you. Yeah. All right. My headphones kind of went in and out there. All right. So my closing point, I guess, would be, you know, I'm going to agree. We can't take our information from the media. We have to do our own research through third party research groups. That doesn't mean that that third party research group is also lying to us. We need, they are, you know, more than likely telling the truth, because to keep a thousand or thousands of people quiet is completely absurd, especially with the day and age of technology. Communication is very simple like I brought up at the beginning. We were completely unable to hide a seamen stain dress. So how are we expected to really hide anything else? You know, that's everyone recording something nowadays. Well, speaking of the recording, real quick, you know, they only gave us three frames. But hey, just real quick on the recording thing, you know, they had like 70 cameras in the Pentagon and they only gave us three frames of that.  Do you have anything else to say, Shane? You're, well, I'll adjust the three frames.  I think that honestly, I don't think it should have been even shown at all. Well, they showed the other buildings, they showed the planes going to other buildings a million times. Everybody's seen that from every angle. Okay, folks, let's go ahead and head on to the Q&A. I think Shane did go first in the opening statement. So I'll let Alex have the last word there. Once again, for the folks at home watching, check out the description box, check out our guests and show James some love in the, please hit the subscribe button, comment, like, help him out with the algorithm. And we're going to go ahead into the Q&A. So I'm going to read these as charitably as I can, but we're not going to read direct insults. And Immortal Sirens sends a super chat. Alex is model hot. Love the suit. Subbed, followed. Wow, that's cool. Thank you. That has to be a joke. Somebody said model hot. What is that? I think you're a better looking young man than me. Shane with all due respect, but thank you for the person that said that. Okay. The Craw Daddy 029 sends a super chat. I take it Alex has never been a project manager. And that's false. I've actually been a project manager on a lot of stuff. I'm not just saying that either and I work a job where I do. I'm a project manager on a lot of stuff.  It's actually everything falls on you. I hate it. So I don't know what that has to do with anything, but I don't like being the leader. I'd rather be in the group project. I'd rather be the guy that freeloads off the Asian girl that does all the hard work, but no, I am a project manager.  All right. Immortal Sirens sends a super chat. Orange, adorable as well. Heart, heart and both. Team Alex and Shane Hart. That's for both of you. Thank you. All right. Endo XD sends a super chat. Do you guys like the British Broadcasting Company? I love the British Broadcasting Company. I think that might have been a trollish super chat. I'm going to read that one a little bit. Thank you. Brian Williamson says, if you don't believe in the handsome debate tonight. Definitely. Brian Williamson says, if you don't believe 9 11 was an inside job, you can catch the fade. I think that's for you, Shane. Yeah. Okay. I'm so out of it. I don't even know what that means. Okay. Morgan Cowell says, why didn't Trump reveal the lie? You would think that he would use anything available to increase the distrust Americans have for their government. I think that's for you, Alex. Well, I think that you just have to look at a guy named Rudy Giuliani, the guy that was at Four Seasons Total Landscaping, the guy that had the hair dye falling out of his hair, having an absolute meltdown that's like shitface drunken. He's on the Borat movie, supposedly like touching a girl's microphone pack or whatever. So that's why he can't. I mean, let's just be honest with it. Trump is complacent in the cover up. And if you look at the benefits being a Trump, Jared Kushner, his connection with Israel, he would never want to expose Israel or Saudi Arabia in their complacency or whatever in their participation in the terror attacks on 9-11. Roger that. The Craw Daddy 029 says, the towers are not designed to take a plain impact because it's not a normal stress. These buildings are only designed for gravity and wind stress. That's for you, Alex. Well, that's for me. And I would just say that that's an interesting story, but there's an article and the... Skybear, let me grab my camera.   You want to respond to that? I just want to say this real quick, that they even said it. I mean, there's a newspaper article that they were built to withstand an airplane. So I don't know how you can disagree with that. Like I can show you the article. That's the one... That is the one physical slide I brought was the story of how they were engineered to be able to withstand a plane.  You can say that article's a lie that they weren't built to withstand a plane, but I guess that's a conspiracy.  We don't have a lot. So if Shane, you want to take a second to respond, then Alex, I'll let you have the last word. Yeah. No, no, no, no, no. At the same time, you know, I'm agreeing with kind of Alex on this one. This was a government affidling it is built to withstand terror attacks. Just not at that scale. The plane sizes were also different at that. The commercial plane sizes were different. So, you know, there's a lot of factors that actually come into it, but that's a whole other debate in itself, to be honest.  There are a lot of debates in this big debate. There are a lot of small debates within this big debate. I agree with you. But for the person to say that they weren't built to withstand an airplane, and to your point, there was a bigger airplane that crashed into it. But for the person to say they weren't built to withstand an airplane, well, there's multiple articles saying they're worse. So that means whoever said that chat is a conspiracy theorist is saying that they must have been lying when they said that the things were built to withstand an airplane. Okay, Joe Schwartz says, conspiracy castle, what is your favorite conspiracy theory? Well, I mean, 9-11 probably is my favorite conspiracy, but my favorite is the moon landing, the 1969-72 moon landings. I mean, they're just so provably false and so absurd to think that we had the technology then to go to the moon that we don't today and then you look at all the telemetry data is gone and all the original footage from the moon landing. That's my absolute favorite one because that's the easiest one that if you actually have half a brain and you look at technology that it doesn't go backwards, it goes forward. That's just a good one. And it's like, it's kind of friendly. It's not, you can talk about the moon, you talk about like, there's so many ones that are triggering.  The moon landing, people really can't argue the moon landing was fake because the technology doesn't go backwards, right? Okay. RT has a question for Shane. What was the time difference between the collapse of the twin towers versus the timing of the collapse of building seven? Shane, are you there? Oh, I do not have that off hand, but it was a few minutes. It wasn't very long in between. Oh, hello. Yeah, we can hear you. Go ahead. Do my headphones finally give up? No, you're good. We can hear you. No, yeah. No, exactly off. Okay. I don't know. I don't know exactly off hand. It was a matter of minutes. I, you know, I'll sit here and look it up and tell you real quick, but I don't want to mess up, you know, the already leg that's happening. All right. You know, it's just, I will agree that I'm smart enough to know when I don't know. Understood. Okay. I'm sorry. Wilson has a super chat says, if there's a grand conspiracy involving the New World Order to kill off 99% of the population, they seem to be doing a poor job of hiding it. I think that's, they are, they are doing a poor job of hiding because you can look at the Georgia Guidestones and in the Georgia Guidestones, they say that they want to reduce the population to 500 million.  People think I'm just like sitting here and just extemporaneously making up lies. This is stuff I've read and I've regurgitated. Now, am I saying everything I've ever read is the truth? No, I get tricked. I say stuff that's wrong sometimes, but I'm just going on the amount of evidence and making my decisions from that. So, you know, that's how I base it. It's not, it's not because I want something to be a conspiracy. It's just if birds of a feather flock together, if it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, that's probably a duck. All right. Okay. RT has a question for Shane. Are you aware of the University of Alaska at Fairbank study that debunks the official NIST story? Re-collapse of Building 7? If so, what are your thoughts? If not, why? I'm not aware. I would love to read that, you know, what that information is. My email is ShaneSummer1234 at gmail.com, but the summer is spelled with an O. I just, you know, I'll be honest, James posted this, they're saying he was looking for somebody for a debate and I just kind of got my research ready from that point on, you know, so this is, that's why, I guess. Hey, my question to you though, Shane, for the people in the chat, what's your favorite Justin Bieber song? Is it baby? Because they say you look like Justin Bieber. Everybody says you look like Bieber in the chat. Okay. You don't like that. It's funny, you're drinking regular time and I'm fat. I'm drinking diet. I would say one less lonely girl. There you go. All right. I prefer diet, Dr. Pepper, to be honest. Wow, that's what I drink. It's terrible. It's the aspartame is going to kill me.  She's my language. I'm addicted. I talk to Plasmosis too from the cat, from being a cat fecal matter.  I'm not perfect.  Can you believe it? I know. You'd think it. That worse than I said, I had model looks though. You think that I'm perfect, right? I'm not. Okay, D I T H. I'm sorry, D I R H. I'm not sure how you pronounce that. Shane, how is it possible out of 35 flights scheduled that morning from east, from the east to the west coast? We're all booked solid with standby passengers, except the four that were hijacked were only 20 to 30% full. Let me read that again. Sorry, I watched that a little bit. That's from David Weiss. But I think, yeah, did you get the point of it? All these flights are so many books except the planes that did fall. No, I got it. 20% capacity. On the side there. Yeah. Well, you know, that's just what happens. You know, I've gone and taken flights in the morning where there wasn't very many people on. And I've also taken both flights where I could feel the person next to me breathing in my ear. You know, it's just coincidence is, I guess, what it boils down to too far into something like that. You know, it's you start tricking yourself. There's a lot of coincidences, though. Don't you think? Would you agree? Would you agree with that, Shane? There's a lot of coincidences of 9-11 in the story, the official story. I mean, all the other flights are booked. And then the ones that happened to all head buildings were relatively empty. I mean, that just seems convenient. But I guess you're right. That necessarily doesn't prove anything because there could be planes. You know, I'm saying I can agree with your argument, you know, playing devil's advocate. But dude, at the other side of it, you look at the reality of the situation is those planes were basically empty.  So it's just another coincidence, I guess. Okay. For the audience at home, this is your last chance. We're in. Oh, go ahead. Go ahead. Go ahead. Sorry. No, no, I was just on the same page as Alex. You know, that's just coincidences don't always the ending. You know, just one thing and one thing line up doesn't mean the other thing. Like I'm out hunting and then say I do the pagan ritual of throwing tobacco on the ground and then a deer incidence or is that because I was in the right spot at the right time? Well, how do you what pagan ritual do you throw tobacco on the ground and what freemasonry lodge do you do that at, Shane? That's not a freemason thing. That's just something I've like, so I've taken people out hunting and they'll be like, Oh, I got to sacrifice my tobacco to be able to get an animal. I laugh when they do that. I'm like, get you got to understand what what is happening around you and the your body and stuff like that. It's being in the right place at the right time and not you putting your tobacco on the ground. People are extremely superstitious, right? So is that what you do like a hunting and fishing guide? Yeah. Yeah, I don't I'm not a chef anymore. Tell me some more about this hunting and tell me more about this pagan ritual though. I'm a little what is that? Is that a pagan thing from Babylon?  Well, well, it's being a backhoe and then it's the land is twice of the animal back.  You guys have done it and then nothing and then they've also done it in something. You know, it's like a playing an odds game. You know, it's just what he would personally believe in.  One day you're going to be like me.  You're going to say, Alex, you were right about everything. But just wait, it's not now.   You need to go. My buddy David, he bought a super chat. He's talking about going to stop look think dot net. You need to go to this website. It'll change your mind. It'll give you something to do in the woods. You would be surprised on how much time I spend on YouTube. It's a scary amount. Look how pasty I am. Ladies and gentlemen, if you have anything else to say to our guests, now is your last chance. We've got about two more super chats to read and then we're going to go ahead and wrap it up. So get them in while you can. I'm not going to read the super chat from Brian Williamson. It's a little bit. No, I'm sorry. Who cares? We don't care if it's mean to me. If it's mean to me, you can say it. I don't care how mean it is. I don't care how mean it is. 100% 100% percent. Oh, I mean, I think they'll say it. I don't give two shits. You can call me and change the culture and the rules of the entire channel. I mean, because of recent issues. So I don't think that we should just skip that. I'm sorry, Wilson. We will skip that. I think we're both I think we're both down the words. Let's just say words were adults. Okay. Brian Williamson says the only way to solve this is with a boxing match. Anything to say to that? No. No. He's out in the woods. He has a guy.  No boxing. I'm the Don King. I'll organize the fight, but I will box somebody. If somebody out there wants to box me and we can make it interesting, I will box anybody out there. So. Okay. Shane, anything? Yeah, I'll be honest.  So, you know, I'm not, I'm not a fighter anymore. Excellent. Okay. I agree. Okay. The Croy Daddy 029 says, I'm not saying there are not safety features built into everything. Cars come with airbags that don't get used. Plains are not normal stress. I think that's for you, Alex. That might have been about the VMR, the velocity maximum rate of a plane. Like this is why I don't believe that there's planes that hit the towers. You're like, what was it? I don't know. It could have been a missile. It could have been whatever. But this is why, because a plane can only fly so fast at a low altitude. At a low altitude, they have to go slower because there's more air pressure. So they can't go 500 miles an hour. So when you look at the footage of those planes, and you know, obviously, you're judging it from watching like a little plane go on a screen on how fast it's going. But the proper, not the proper, but I guess the nor the accepted speed of those planes was over 500 miles an hour at under 3000 feet. I mean, a plane just can't fly like that. It's impossible. So I don't know that they said that the plane structure could have handled it. I just there's no way that the plane could handle it. They can't even test the VMR. They can't even test the maximum velocity rate at that low of altitude. Yet when they're at high altitudes, they can go way above it. Like, you know, like they say, they can only go 600 miles. The planes aren't ready for that. Well, if they're at 50,000 feet, they'll go faster than the maximum velocity rate because they know there's not enough pressure. But they would never test the maximum velocity rate at that low of altitude because that would break the plane. And the planes don't fly that fast at that low of altitude. Period. End of story. Okay. And the last super chat. I think Alex actually touched on this a second ago. Shane, please go to stoplookthink.com and click the 911 drop down at the top and educate yourself. So feel free to do that. You should check it out, Shane. You would like it. Go today. You need to check out that website, Shane.   If you get to the 33rd degree, you're going to be president of the United States.   That worked out for Burl Eyes, right? Because he's, he's sitting pretty rolling the world too, right? I don't know, but I'm just saying free masons do have a lot of power. I'm all for reading everything. I'm not, I'm not going to turn down reading, listening to hearing somebody out ever.  I agree. And we do need to have this civil discourse where we can talk. And that's why I really respect you, Shane, for coming on here. Not, you know, not afraid to speak your mind. That's why I have a lot of respect for you. We did get another super chat in from Brian Williamson said, books and planes, the towers were holograms. That's for you, Shane, I think. I mean, if they want to walk all over those desks, that's on them. Thousands or lots of people died. I know people that were affected by this. I don't personally know people that died in it, but I know people that know people that died in it. My friends and has died in it or died in it. So it's, you know, a claim like that is just kind of silly to me saying the towers were holograms. People have been there. I've been to New York. I've been there too. They weren't there. I've went into the top of the world trade center. So yeah, they were real. All right. Well, I think that's the last of our super chats guys. I want to thank you both for having such a cordial conversation and really trying to respect each other's time and effort. And it was really a pleasure to do business with you guys tonight. I want to thank everybody at home. I want to thank praise I am that I am for producing and helping me out here and taking care of everything and pretty much making this the easiest thing I've ever done. So thank you, praise. Thank you, James for letting us all come and have our voices heard and for making a platform for everybody to have somewhere to speak. And thank you to everybody at home for watching this long. And if you're still watching, please like, share, subscribe, comment. Anything that you can do helps out the channel and helps us to maintain this platform. And with that, keep Oh, can I say one? I want to say one last thing. Are you gonna do you say the last thing? I just want to say thank you, Shane. Great competitor. You guys can look into the truth yourself.   You decide. Don't let somebody decide for you. That's the last thing I want to say and follow the conspiracy castle. Please link. The link is in the description. Thank you guys. And thank you, Shane. We did get one more super chat in. Let's just go ahead and get that in the crowd daddy 029. I'm talking about planes are not normal stress for build. I agree that the planes are not a normal stress for build. But even in the description, they said that the planes are built. I mean, the towers are built for a plane. So yeah, I get it. I don't think any buildings are ever in anybody goes to architecture school and they're like, Well, today's lesson is you're gonna build a building that's meant for planes to hit it. Yeah, I don't think that's the norm operating procedure. But that's the story they tell us. Shane, you want to respond? Yeah, I mean, well, I would almost have to agree that just because they aren't built for it doesn't mean that building wasn't built with it. It isn't a normal stress for building, but it was protected government building. You know, you can have special it's like a tank, you know, it's not built for, you know, going through a building and taking all that weight on it, but it can and it does, you know, that's probably a shitty example. But the point more than the example, when I'm the most famous broadcaster in the world and primetime 99 takes over the world and I'm president of the United States or sheriff of Dallas County, whichever one comes first, I'm going to commission a plane a drone plane to fly into a building so we can actually see how it reacts. But I'm telling you, the building would not turn into dust that would magically disappear in 11 seconds. I just I cannot mentally picture a plane turning a building into dust. It's impossible. We did get another super jet in from Roosevelt News. Oh, you don't have to because it happened. Roosevelt Media News says, Alex, tell us about the Lady Gaga Oreos. Well, the Lady Gaga Oreos are delicious. They're vegan. And if you want to join the New World Order and you want to get your kid indoctrinated and to start worshiping Baphomet and Satan at a young age, make sure to go get the pink and green Oreos and listen to your Lady Gaga music. And if House Bill 147 passes, eventually you'll be able to transition your child without parental authority. So these Lady Gaga Oreos are good because it's helping kids get gender reassignment surgery at a young age, which that's always possible when a when a cookie can help kids cut off their penis. That's a good cookie to me. Brian Williamson says, Joe Biden is an AI. I don't think that's for either of you necessarily. He's an artificial intelligence. I don't know. Joe Biden is weird. They're saying he's a body double. I don't know. I'm saying, I don't know if Biden's weird. Something's funny going on the Biden. He can't walk upstairs.  Body doubles are more impressive than that. They don't fall downstairs. That's just an old man flying downstairs. Okay. So that is the last of our super chats, guys. Thanks again for joining me. And ladies and gentlemen, please don't forget to check out our guest links in the description. Conspiracy Castle and Shane and praise I am that I am. I am Kaz, your host. And don't forget, keep sifting out the reasonable from the unreasonable. Thanks again. Oh, and I was kidding about the Lady Gaga thing, but in actually, you know,