to do, but I'm here simply saying that history could come to the picture in a different way. As fun as the modern is, this maybe I'm gonna be called the simple plaster guy, but if you get these Irving Gill books out and you see how deftly, how beautifully he worked with these styles, recess the windows back, whether you have clay or not, I'm not certain, but that would be a dignified building to be around. And I'm reaching because there's a great guy named Kierkegaard. He said, life is understood backwards but must be lived forward. And I respect backward, I respect history, but I'm reaching out myself wanting to embrace the need for housing. I don't wanna lose 40 units. I don't wanna displace people. And have a bland culture. So if the record, you know, the tapes running here people can take pot shots at me, but I'm a twofer kind of a guy and I think it could work. And we'll see what others say. Yeah. Yeah, no nice, and I definitely agree with that. I mean, I think, you know, we could go more plaster, simplify it, try to do more, I mean, not necessarily Spanish revival, but certainly relate to that aspect of the character in the able because I think the Spanish revival and the art deco of some type or probably the two styles in the neighborhood that you can actually do in a multi-story building, decently. As far as the five story portion, I'm thinking, you know, that's probably where I'm gonna put the two bedroom units because I wanna, I wanna leave the front of the building for the studio so I can lower it as much as possible. I mean, if it's way in the back of the site and I can get, you know, 3000 square feet of space up there, that really frees me up to be able to lower the remainder and to push the building back away from the, away from the street and create that yard. So, yeah, if we can live with that larger five-story element, sitting in the back next to the, the existing three-story building, yeah, that probably does free up some space and... If you know, my dad was born in Oakland in 1911 and he lived next to the party mansion in an Italian eight-house and I have a reverence for history, a lot of buildings in the East Bay that were plaster, they take the final area. Sometimes it was a cupola effect, but maybe it's an olive or chocolate brown, it's paneled in wood, it's not plaster. So, it's kind of a four-story that that element sources up to that you can look at some treatments like that where it's not necessarily, it's so far back anyway. But yes, I would have you, this is memory lane, I have a long memory, Randy. You, times past, did a seismic redo of the St. Rose School. Did not, that not happen? Isn't it wonderful that I can speak to you 32 years later? Is that about the timeframe? That's pretty close, unfortunately. I think it's 32 years ago. You were tasked by the Catholic Church to take that building and it has a lot of recess detailing. Yes, it has the rope like Balboa Park in San Diego. It has the rope epaulet tower in front, but forgetting that, just the things you did 30 years ago will surge back and give you new life. Okay, I like that. Hey, I think from the height standpoint, Randy, I mentioned this to the folks that I walk the neighborhood with the DRB in and of itself hasn't really had a fear of heights per se. I think the conversation and the yeoman's work will be to get the CHB on board with that. As you mentioned, and so I'd recommend, as I'm sure you will, just start out with a sketch like Warren's and say, here's what we're thinking as a redesign here to accommodate the neighborhood and see where you get with that and some conversations with CHB members and quite frankly, some more members of the neighborhood there. Okay, that's nice. I think aesthetically, one of the things that I liked that you've done with bringing in the Art Deco style is that with the height that you have, you've brought in the horizontality and I wouldn't want to see you lose that for whatever you're going towards now and where any other direction, Warren's idea is on what you guys are talking about. Keep bringing that horizontality because it brings into squatness to the height of the building, which will be, I think, in your favor going to the CHB and in referencing the neighborhood as all. So keep it horizontal, I think. To, it's interesting to Adam's point, the faculty club at UC Berkeley is a Maybeck building. It's plaster with wood. It's a beautiful building. It's a long John building like this, but look at Google, Faculty Club Berkeley and you will see Maybeck's building there and it's a wonderful tribe. It has some trellising, some wood, some plaster and it speaks to Adam's hunger for the horizontal. Okay. Yeah, I would just say, I agree with Warren. Don't go turn on the building. Yeah, yeah, I looked at the whole 90 degree turning and it didn't work, yeah, yeah. But I would say, you know, be smart to have an option that isn't five stories in your hip pocket, maybe when you talk with the neighbor. So, and that's kind of what I was talking about, like maybe you lose two or three parking spaces or maybe four underneath the building and you go a little shorter and you find ways to get your same unit count and same square footage in a different overall rectilinear footprint. So it's still long, but maybe it's a little bit wider. All right. You know, so that's what I was thinking, but in the event that CHP is kind of unfavorable to five stories, which they variable may be, that it may be good to have something in your back pocket in that regard. Okay, great, appreciate all the input. Absolutely. Okay, so we do need to take a vote on the continuance. So we've got a continuance to a date and a certain second, a lot of good dialogue. And so I'll ask Patty for a roll call. Okay, can you hear me okay? Yes, we can. Okay. All right, board member Wicks. You're muted. Oh, board member Wicks. Hi. Okay, board member Weigl. Hi. Board member Sharon. Hi. Board member Cordenbrock. Vice-chair Hitchcock. Hi. Chair Kincaid. Hi. Okay, well, that concludes item 8.1. Why don't we take a 10 minute recess so that everyone can refresh and we will, let's just reconvene at 8 p.m. Just as a reminder, this is board member Cordenbrock. I'll be abstaining from 8.2. So should I come back on or just drop off and come back for 8.3? Board member Cordenbrock, no, that's fine. And I can let you know when we're getting ready for item 8.3. Okay, thank you. I'll have it up as well. So either way, thank you. Okay. Hey, Scott, can you talk? I had to do new headphones. I want to make sure they're working. Yeah, can you hear me? Thanks, sir. Yeah, thank you. Hey, Chair Kincaid, it looks like we're ready when you are. Okay, I'll ask that all design review board members turn your cameras back on so we can get going. All right, looks like we're all here. Board member Cordenbrock is abstaining from this item. So we'll go ahead and open up the meeting again and we are on to item 8.2. This is a concept design review for 425 Humboldt Street Apartments located at 431 Humboldt Street, file number DR20-061. And I will turn it over to senior planner Ross for another presentation. Thank you, Chair Kincaid, members of the Design Review Board. I'm gonna go ahead and start sharing. Hopefully we don't have any technical glitches in this presentation. And if you could just verify, you see the presentation on your screen. Yes, we do. Great, thank you. So again, I am senior planner Adam Ross with the planning department here with the city. The item before you is 425 Humboldt Street Apartments. This is the concept design review. The address is 431 Humboldt Street. There's some lot mergers that are gonna happen that's gonna change the intended address is gonna be the 425, or I should say lot line adjustments to be specific. So that's that discrepancy there. Okay, so here's just an aerial view. This is within the downtown stationary specific plan between Riley Street and Humboldt Street. And this is just for your consideration to see the concept design as proposed right now. So it's an eight story mixed use residential building, 94 total units, 12 studio, 58 one bedroom, 24 two bedroom, floors one through two are mixed use. And then the remainder of the floors are residential. It's approximately 143,645 square feet of building.  It's roughly 91 feet tall from grade to street grade to the top most point of the building. There are 71 parking spaces proposed with this project. So here's an aerial view of the project site. As you can see, it's right in the downtown section at the bottom of this aerial view, you'll see it's proximity to courthouse square. And as previously, as the previous project that we saw, this is within the downtown station area specific plan boundary as well. The zoning here is core mixed use. The floor area ratio is eight. So that's the highest that it, the highest FAR assigned to CMU of the new zoning district, CMU, MMU, NMU, and et cetera. So here's a concept site plan for the project. So you see, this is kind of the layout of the building. This is the existing two-story building next to the property. This is an existing one-story building to remain and then a five-story building adjacent to the property as well. So here's a first floor level plan for your review. So again, I believe that was 71 parking spaces provided over two levels. So the second story floor plan. And then here's that in the front section, you see the, I should point this out, office space and lobby space for the building and residences. There's an office space for a separate tenant proposed with this concept, with this conceptual design, as well as some of the amenities for the residents of the proposed building. So again, this is the second floor plan. Third floor plan, you can see there's some open space in the center. Of course, I'm just doing a brief overview and the applicant team will get into greater detail with this, with these images. And this is fourth through seventh floor plan. There's like a, there's the open space courtyard in here on the third floor. Here's the eighth floor plan, the roof plan. Here's the elevations for your consideration as they relate to the design guidelines for the downtown specific, downtown stationary specific plan. And so here's a space between towers of the building. And then these are the elevations in that courtyard, the interior courtyard as you look at the building. And here's that 3D rendering again of the project. And see, here's that courtyard. And here are the bridges between the units or I should say between the buildings connecting the upper floors. And the front elevation on Humboldt Street has activated ground floor space with transparency of the non-residential first floor. So here's some more 3D images proposed for your reference. See, there's the existing five-story building adjacent to the site as well. Here's another one for your reference. I believe this is the last one for your reference. I apologize. And then here's the materials, the material page provided with the concept packet. And then here's the proposed, the conceptual landscape plan. And this further defines that interior courtyard as well as the roof terrace. So the Planning and Economic Development Department recommends that the designer view board provide comments and directions for the 425 Humboldt Apartments Project. Any questions you may have for staff, I am available for that. And sorry, and just to clarify, I'll be reusing that presentation for the applicant team. Okay, any questions for staff? Okay, seeing none, I will invite the applicant to present. And if you could give your name and association to the project as you're speaking, that would be very helpful and appreciated. So welcome. And we are in the process of unmuting the applicants. So this is Rob Robinson and Tom Robertson is going to be giving this part of the presentation. I'm the president of IGH Partners, which is the sponsor for this project. And Tom and I are business partners. So I'm hoping that he's available to make the initial presentation. We don't see Tom Robertson on. So Mr. Robertson, if you've called in, if somebody knows your phone number, maybe that's you. Well, this is Robinson. So yeah, it's sorry, I'm Robinson, he's Robertson. I can give you his phone number to the call. So he is on the call. He needs to, if we can clarify how to raise hands so he could identify himself and then we could give him, we can unmute him to speak. Star nine, we'll raise hands. Okay, you can unmute yourself now. Hello, can you hear me? Yes, good evening, Tom. Yeah, hi, it's Tom Robertson. How are you all this evening? Pardon me for not having figured out how to unmute myself. I know a couple of you over the many years I've been involved in Santa Rosa. I worked with a couple of you. In any case, thank you for reviewing our project tonight. I know you put in a lot of hours and the pay is not great. So in any case, thank you. This is an exciting project for the downtown. It's exactly what the city council has mandated under the new station update plan. And it's a QoZ project, as you probably know, the area is a qualified opportunity zone. What we have decided to do is to work entirely with a local team. So we hired TLCD architects and right construction to keep it entirely local. It is a very good description of the project, one minor edit to the text that the staff presented. We're not gonna have barbecues in that central courtyard area because it could create odors and smoke and so on. But we will probably have a barbecue and the entertainment deck up on the top floor. This is a high end apartment project, not unlike the ones which have been built down near the ballpark in San Francisco. But to give you a little bit of background, I've been doing development since the 1980s. Our company did the Rosenberg department for building and brought Barnes & Noble to the downtown. We were very involved in 600 by Centennial and many of our projects have won AIA awards, the Barnes & Noble project won an award from the California Art Deco Society. I will turn the discussion of the architecture over to my architect before I do that. I want to introduce my partner Rob Robinson. First of all, was, has lived in Santa Rosa and actually was one of the founders of the Wine Country Triathlon, interesting sidelight. He has an extensive background in investment banking with First Boston and also has done a considerable amount of property development in the Middle West, in Arizona and also in San Francisco. And I've done a fair amount of development in San Francisco but also have owned 625 Fifth Street which is adjacent to the project for many years. So I will, with that, turn it over to David De Los Santos who's our architect at TLCD. And again, thank you for reviewing the project and giving us your comments, very important to us. Could you hear that? I heard it. Yeah, Tom, we heard you loud and clear. Okay. You will need to unmute yourself. Yeah, the description, did you hear any of that? Because I did star six and it seemed unmute. Can you hear me? Yeah, Tom, we heard the presentation loud and clear. We're just pausing to let David De Los Santos get prepared. Okay, thank you very much. You bet. Okay, can you hear me? Yes, we can. Welcome. Okay, thank you. This is Don Tomasi, principal of TLCD architecture. And as Tom mentioned, this is a project we're all very excited about as a part of a larger movement in downtown Santa Rosa to bring a lot of housing, much needed housing into our downtown. In two of those projects, we're actually very near by this. Just a left of our project here in those parking lots across from Riley Street will be 420 Menesino project that the board has reviewed. And then up in the upper left corner to arrive at the Press Democrat building there is the 556 Ross Street that the board has also reviewed. And those projects are seven and eight stories respectively, ours is eight. The building configuration began as a more conventional U-shaped building, but it really blocked off the solar access to the adjacent building to the north of us owned by Uview Trail. So we ended up coming up with these two towers and we sort of took a big building and pulled the part and created this courtyard in the middle with two towers connected by bridges. And it ended up in a win-win situation. It's a really nice configuration for our project and it gives Uview Trail's project a lot of solar access. And we've been working with U in this project. We met with them a couple of times and he did ask a couple of questions in an email I believe the board has seen. And one is he had asked if there was a four foot, a five foot setback between our building and his and just indeed there is. And he had asked if that space between the two buildings would be enclosed and yes, it's enclosed by gates. And then the other thing he asked is that if there would be windows facing towards his building. And the answer is that we just have windows and you'll see these in one of the next slides at the corner units facing the street and then at the end of the hallways. So we'll talk about that a little bit later. So next slide please. And actually if you can go to the next range read actually scroll through a few of these almost there. Okay, then next slide. There we go, perfect. Yeah, right there. So we're on Humboldt Street now looking at Uview Trail's building, looking to the south. And so those strip of windows you see on the side of the building are the only windows on the north side that on the one these on the Humboldt side and then also on the royally side. So for the most part there's not many windows looking at his building. The, and actually if you can go to the next slide, well. So this is the side that you'll see the most probably be the most visible at least until taller buildings are built in front of it. And the configuration here really defines the appearance of the project having these two fairly narrow buildings and these slender building elevations are even accentuated because we're expressing the stairway different the stair tower separate from the units themselves. We have a recessed slot of windows at the end of the corridors and it really, it really helped dematerialize the mass of the building which is something we're really happy about. The main building intro in Humboldt Street so it's the first space when you close this to us on this building in the entire length of Humboldt Street frontage there would be ground level resident amenity spaces which will be a lobby, leasing office, recreation areas and so forth and then be a separate tenant space also two stories at the far end of the building on Humboldt Street. And then there'll be a landscape courtyard on the third level which Christina Talbot of Quadriga will discuss later and an eighth floor amenity space and I believe the staff mentioned there was a roof deck there actually is no roof deck but there is this eight four deck that opens on to a common areas that all the tenants can use. One thing about the building that will greatly affect is the appearance is that it will be a hybrid mass temper structure over two floors of concrete construction and we're still starting down exactly what's mass temper and what isn't but we expect the floor and the roof planes to be mass temper which will allow the underside of these surfaces to be expressed as they are a clear finish over the wood which will really result in the striking skyline and we've also sloped the roofs up at both street frontages to not only to get a higher greater space within the units but also it helps with the roof line of the building too and I think that adds a lot of interest and really puts that timber on display and then there's a pair of columns up in the very top too that'll be mass temper as well that will be supporting the roof also with a clear finished wood and the use of mass temper which along with other important environmental advantages sequesters carbon and it's an important component of the sustainability strategy to be employed throughout the building the visible photovoltaic panels on both of the towers or another means of expressing the sustainable strategies going on within the building and there'll be rooftop photovoltaics as well so the design approach I mentioned earlier and vision the single building is pulled apart and increases courtyard is a very unique sort of a private quiet space for use by all the tenants and you'll see it's got a blue color I'll talk about materials a little bit later but the red you're seeing will actually probably be a little bit softer in color like that than that it'll be a vertical random spaced standing scene material and then the stair towers will be a metal tile or single rather and then we're looking at a very deep rich blue color on the inside but to create again a very different space than the streetscapes and you can see the bridges spanning between the two buildings those will be a glulam beams most likely painted due to their exposure but again mass timber the hobbled street facade and the Riley facade are a little bit different the Riley street facade's longer than the hobbled street facade but they're both used the same architectural vocabulary and the longer front facade also features two full height resets to break at the length of the building in this last class given it's a western exposure and another interesting thing that may not be originally apparent is that whereas most podium buildings have a clear demarcation between the concrete podium and the apartments above we're actually kind of intertwining those two and we're actually using the metal cladding over the concrete in places and pulling it back in places to reveal the concrete so it's a more pedestrian friendly experience along the streets the next slide this is a view on Riley street looking north and again you can see the building looks similar there's actually more balconies on this facade to provide more shading in terms of faces east you can't see the vertical slots on this building in fact this building was really hard to see in elevation at all at least along the street frontages but where you see the breaks in the roof up on the top is where the slots are which are about three, four feet wide and about two feet deep and again there'll be a less windows to a small degree less windows on this building that's in that side given the eastern exposure and about twice as big as this one okay next slide so this is the final slide that I'll touch on before Christina takes over here and I already talked about the colors when we saw the rendering and so forth but again we have the reddish brown vertical standing seam metal cladding concrete exposed at selected areas along the street frontages and then we have the deep blue painted cement plaster in the courtyard and the metal shingles on the stair towers that accentuate the verticality of the building as do the photovoltaic arrays on the south side so that's an overview of the architectural parts of the buildings and I will let Christina Talbot discuss the street scapes and the courtyard on the third floor okay Ms. Talbot you've been unmuting all right thank you this is Christine Talbot from Quadriga thanks Don it sounds like a couple of people are still unmuted so if I stop that's why yeah so the landscape approach I think Don explained kind of the streetscape approach that we're looking to energize the street a little bit along especially along Humboldt where the entries to the buildings are we're looking to incorporate some smaller street trees and some pavement material changes to help accentuate the entries to the building and to provide a little interest along the street and also take advantage of the generous windows along the the facade that will provide light and interest with indoor planters so we'll really green up the Humboldt side of the street along the Riley side of the street it's really a smaller pedestrian zone right now there's some on-street parking and there's really no street trees of note along that whole street but we'd like to incorporate at least some vegetated ball bouts to demarcate the entries into the parking garages and provide a little wayfinding and some traffic calming along the Riley street entrance I think Don also mentioned that Hugh Futrell was interested in securing the setback area along the building between the two buildings the north the building at the north and our building and we will have lockable gates at those setback areas along with a solid wooden fence along the south property line moving to the third floor courtyard which is really a very special space as Don was talking about the buildings pulled apart to create this open space for the residents and their guests it acts as usable open space and also helps to filter views across from the two buildings to provide a little bit of privacy for residents we envision the planting areas as undulating in height and then in size so there'll be movement throughout the courtyard creating these little nodes for people to gather and small groups or maybe a little bit larger groups as we move through COVID and provide some interest with focal points and some lighting very soft lighting and also to provide an airy tree canopy not to over shade the area but really to create kind of a filter in which people feel secure and have a little privacy as they use the space some of the uses that are envisioned in that area include maybe fire pits and some tables and chairs and very passive areas quiet space for people to gather as we move on to the other open space on the project at the eighth floor the roof terrace I think that's envisioned more of a more of an active lounge so there'll be an indoor outdoor opportunity and we like it to be very flexible and open we've really focused our greenery at the edge incorporating a like a guardrail height planter that can act as that edge and have greenery spilling over so it creates kind of a a living wall in effect just with the use of the planter and then providing movable furnishings and things like that for people to create their own space as usual we'll meet the requirements of water-efficient landscaping our plant list is included and of course I'm here to answer any questions I'll put it back to Dawn thank you so much great thank you and I don't have anything else unless Tom or Rob want to add anything but I believe that's the end of our presentation I'm not sure if I'm on mute or not but we don't have anything to add but we'd be happy to field people's questions and we'd love to hear your comments excellent thank you Rob, Tom, Dawn and Christine appreciate the presentation and we'll bring it back to the board for let's go questions for the applicant team and feel free if you've had questions direct for staff we can certainly answer those answered as well so board member Weigel we'll start with you this is just a question for Dawn the reveal along Riley Street Dawn that the little bump in is does that have that diamond siding in it as well yes it does but it looks like I just want to make sure okay board member Sharon did you hear an answer I didn't hear one he said yes it does great thank you thank you for the presentations one question regarding the bridges between the buildings and wondering do they land in the courtyard I'm seeing from your exterior elevations it looks like they do but I don't see in the landscape courtyard plan they they there's no structural supports in the courtyard they span from building the building if that's if that's what you're getting at okay I guess on the north elevation is what I'm seeing coming down through that there are two downspouts which may be what you're looking at so those are downspouts in the middle there right okay thank you board member Wicks questions yeah one one quick one for Don the parking parking areas I just curious if you looked at a multi park solution a lift system versus versus having everything surface done and if you hadn't I just I would encourage you to maybe take a look at it especially when you've got that alone foot clear space potentially to add a lift and I'm not saying there's not enough parking but you could add some more units by by incorporating a lift system in there we absolutely have looked at those and there may be some there are concerns about them in this market they're more readily acceptable and in more urbanized areas like Oakland and San Francisco there's a lot of questions about their acceptability by tenants in Sonoma County and so the owner wanted to help as much conventional parking as possible but again we are we are considering some some stackers yeah we got the height for it so you could add them later on if you find a need to the with market rate apartments people want to hang onto their cars a little bit longer that was it Vice Chair Hedgbeth questions for the applicant still muted or okay yeah this one's for Dawn just a quick question happy to see the use of CLTs with their with their flame rating being so low I see in your roof plan you're able to snuggle up CLTs right to the quick and the property line one of the overhangs there in the longer building and I is it is it such that the combustibility and the code allows you to do a full snuggle to property line with CLTs we're not at the property line in the north or the south we are along the street front it is okay it is allowed yeah yeah and that's you've you've capitalized there on the the PUE once you're above I think it's 14 feet you can scooch out in the public right away all of your balconies and overhangs right yes that's all yeah I just had a question more about circulation seems like obviously the Hummel Street side is more pedestrian friendly if you will entering the building as opposed to a parking garage and so I'm kind of wondering how you see circulation of residents and occupants visiting the site so the internal circulation which may or may not have appeared in the set you have in front of you will now have elevators on both towers so that people tenants arriving in their cars can get to their units via an elevator for each tower there is an entrance along Riley Street pedestrian entrance as well as pedestrian domain entrance along along Hummel Street I don't know if that answers your question but yeah I was just wondering if there would what I can make it as a comment I just was wondering if there was a more pedestrian friendly way for people to access on Riley Street I mean I see the entrances and there's on our set there is an elevator but you're in a parking garage and then you don't really get into the meat and potatoes of the residential structure to the third floor it just seems more comfortable to load from the humble side and even walk across one of the bridges or the or the terrace just curious it's time to look at yeah absolutely and I think I think most people will come through the whole entrance all right why don't we take comments give some constructive comments to the applicant team again board member Weigel we'll start with you I'm sorry to interject one more time you got it to the speed of the process there's mention of a comment from Hugh Field Trail which was not passed down to the board and I apologize for that but I would gladly summarize this comment which the applicant team has responded to if that's okay sure go ahead okay so as stated Mr. Futrell on several buildings around around the site and he mentioned that the building the proposed building is of course exceptionally well designed but there are two critical considerations and one technical consideration the first is being a critical consideration is what setback is maintained between the proposed building and our and their proposed building this proposed building and Hugh trails proposed building and then the second one is what is the treatment of Riley Street and then the third technical consideration is that access to the ground level setback area item F gate item F gate from Humboldt Street it's unclear if there is a fence or gate at Riley which adjoins are which adjoins their property I think some of that was discussed in the applicant's presentation but maybe the if if you'd like for clarification the app that applicant team can can quickly summarize that if need be and then there's a little bit more here where it states that the Humboldt apartment building at the proposals north property line has four floors of lower income apartments that face to propose building and are setback seven eight inches from the common property on the terrace that provides additional fire access as well as light ventilation for those units this terrace and the units above will be subject to shadow throughout all daylight daylight hours with this proposal while they while they build first doesn't they recognize that it doesn't give them special claim to solar access however the darkness impact of the proposal must be reasonably limited and in this instance is reasonable that the walls above the podium line be setback a minimum of five feet from the common property line along with the much larger effective setback that occurs with their central courtyard opening there should be no buildings there should be no windows along the setback line the proposed plan appears to comply with this their art house project design concept aims to transform Riley street over time into an attractive walkable space between fifth to seven and seventh street and their frontage is being developed accordingly and the bulb outs shown on this proposal are attractive but Mr. Futrell encourages the discussion whether longer curvilinear projections and fewer smaller projections be created a more generous sense of streetscape and access should be and then a recommendation that access should be from fob or lock controlled to avoid any nuisance trespass on this property and that concludes that public comment great thank you for reading that into record Don and team do you guys want to respond at all to any of those in more detail or do you want us to discontinue on with questions just real quickly again we've been working you know we've been able to use several times we do observe a five foot setback we have almost no windows on the north facade as I mentioned before um along Riley street there will be side obscuring louvers are great to conceal the parking and there will be a lock in their fob you know controlled doors on on the building so I think we've met we've met all of his objectives and criteria great thank you for the quick summary back to or member Weigel for comments um it's it's a it's great it's a really beautiful building I think I like some of the pamphlet choices you've made materiality wise and I myself am dying to do a cross-eliminated timber project because I think it's just an interesting and unique and potentially the you know kind of the material of the future in a way um so I I find anything that I would alter or change except for one little thing and it's just it's a so this this building there's a office building kind of like a small little office building that I guess it's on this property currently and I should have asked this earlier I think it'd be kind of the way you guys have designed it you know your that space goes away but I'm wondering if maybe if that corner office is potentially for those folks to just go into that and and just out of curiosity maybe they want to stay in the same spot so that was my only kind of comment or question and that's actually correct so if you can't wait to see you guys build this let's get it done thank you board member Weigel board member Sharon comments yes um I will agree with with Drew it's a lovely project lovely building very tastefully done I also agree that that that mass timber is going to be a very great use of it and it's going to be striking when seen from below up there and the upper stories and yeah and I do appreciate the the the knots to sustainability that you've got the solar and the timber and that you're thinking about all this in there yeah some of the things I wanted to add questions about or answered in your presentations or through our questions so thank you for that and I think the the central courtyard is is is very tastefully done Christine of course it's it's very nice though just as you've got you're creating really beautiful calm nooks I can tell you even just from your your your layout and your renderings it's going to be a very pleasant place to to be I'm curious about your the focal points you're thinking of can you talk about the focal points at all I don't know if that's probably farther down the line but were you thinking artistic were you thinking vegetated or yeah I think you know right now we're we're just looking at a couple different options artwork has been discussed and maybe a water feature I think the vegetation will certainly be a focal point throughout but yeah no no major decisions yet great yeah and I I like what you with as regards to the comment on Riley street in the the street scape treatments I like what you've done there even with the angular layouts that you have and that will do for my comments well done I look forward to it great board member wicks comments yeah I'll keep it short because I can just echo or not echo but agree and and thank my fellow board members that just spoke and I love the project can't wait to see it bill I'm glad you I'm glad you did keep a five foot set back on the north side of the project giving the existing apartments in the five stories some some breathing room so beautiful project and can't wait to see it bill vice chair hatchback okay am I there all right yes it's a beautiful project I deeply appreciate this coming to town it gives me confidence that we can have certainly a blend a combination of affordable market rate and those buildings that aspire I know I'm certain dawn and the team spent a lot of time with this yin yang the the extraction at the base where you enter and the little sky room above and I can imagine the number of conversations about how far out does that go that's probably what he for trail was aiming at it is a reward in a treat to go to this sky room it's it's a very symbolic place for people to just refresh since 92 feet is high rise country or 92 feet one inch is high rise and just below that is low mid-rise excuse me I think it's a wonderful job of looking at all those critical issues coming together I know in some affordable buildings with CLT in the interior you have exposed conduit here from what I can see the renderings there's going to be some kind of softening once you get in the units because the glass is triumphantly wanting to get right to the quick in these floors but that's that's small talk but in in general I think this is a wonderful example of of how to put an FAR right to the quick and be tasteful about it let's do it thanks Vice Chair Hedgemouth I see your hand up or member Wicks go ahead yeah I I just uh I'm meant to to thank the development team for having the confidence in using the local group I I it gives it gives me hope that we're gonna get out of being called the back backwater of architecture and contracting I went to an AIA board meeting many many moons ago with my boss at the time David Kingwell and we'd submitted for an award and the jurors called us the backwater of of architecture and it it's just always stuck with me that someday we would we would climb to higher heights and get some respect so thank thank you for having the confidence in in the local local team well board member Wicks he stole my thunder I have that ready to roll off my tongue so I'll just say ditto on that one my comments just a couple considerations I think that the pedestrian bridges could be a little bit more airy than they currently are I think that that would kind of serve that section well and particularly when you're enjoying the courtyard it might give you something else to kind of gaze at as you're seeing people pass through and maybe anyways just a thought and then the underside of the balconies I didn't really couldn't really tell what the treatment would be there but I think there's an opportunity to do those justice since there's several of them and and they become part of the skyline as you're walking down the street so just would recommend you spend some time looking at that it's hard from the materials were to really figure out what these the painted diamond shape shingles are and if they're just painted metal or if it's like a kind art finish you know prefabricated durable you know application so I think it's just a you know next time when you come back hopefully we're not in zoom mode but if we are maybe if we get a materials or that we could shoot around via courier that'd be great but again echoing the thoughts there that have already been said it's a fantastic project and really appreciate the investors and bringing about a project like this with with local talent so look forward to seeing it again and and hopefully gets out of the ground sooner than later great thank you very much any any particular to questions that you have Don or rest of your team I do not have any all right Mr. Robinson or Robertson this is Rob Robinson and I may not have been on new thinking I was but when I was talking about Don but I brought my wife in because Don you were doing such a good job of the presentation I wanted to hear it because she's a designer but I think that what I'd like to pass on to everybody is that we have had a really great experience with the city trying to help us move this project along quickly and and helping us to you know just conceive of how we would approach it and and part of that's because Tom has been in the city for so long but this has been so far just a great experience and the timeline that we're on is very accelerated but it's the timeline that we really want to try and keep so thank you all for moving so quickly for us we really appreciate it it makes a big difference for a development like this to be able to know that you can move quickly so thank you you bet Rob and we greatly appreciate the investment in the community I think Board Member Wagle has an additional comment go ahead yeah I I think thanks for your comments there Rob I think what Keith an exceptional project to the table and when you bring exceptional work to the table it is very very very like this look at it go oh that rocks let's go and so I just want to point that out the the design team the the myriad of probably other consultants they have excellent excellent project so thank you all right thank you Board Member Wagle and thanks to the design team good luck moving this forward thank you thank you okay thanks very much I just wanted to Tom Robertson just thank you again for your service these are long meetings and we appreciate your taking the time take a look at what we have come up with thank you Tom have a good evening okay let's see just lost my agenda so I know what item we're on we are on to item 8.3 I'll give staff a a minute to change over but I'll go ahead and get us started item 8.3 is a concept design review west coast self storage located at 970 Piner Road file number dr-20-057 and when staff is ready we will be hearing from city planner Monet Chicali and you can tell me if I messed up your name you absolutely said it correct so good evening I am going to share my PowerPoint presentation just be one second checking in okay now we have access to sharing sorry about that via technical issue okay okay can you see this yes we can great so I am going to present the project before you today as you mentioned this is a concept design review for west coast self storage located at 970 Piner Road the project proposes development of a fish story approximately 67,000 square foot self storage building on a 0.95 acre parcel the project includes the modulation of the existing structure and some site improvements the number of required parking for this project is five and the applicant is providing eight parking spaces the height of the building would be approximately 36 feet and it would be 30 feet at per meter each this slide shows location of the project site along Piner Road on the north side and as you can see Russell Craig runs on the south side of the project I think this is also a closer area of the site that shows the existing site project site is zoned like industrial and it is consistent with the general plan land use which is like industry and as you can see the Piner Road is mainly zoned for industrial uses and there are many after repair shops and there are houses and manufacturing uses located in this area we have some residential uses on the south side but they are separated separated through the creek Russell Creek and the proposed project the first one set of storage use is permitted by rights and the only entitlement that this project would require is a major design review here is the slide that shows proposed site with some landscaping there will this the site plan I have provided here for you shows an emergency access plan that's a hammerhead on the left side of the site however the applicant will show you a different site plan there was a last being a change to the fire access and the applicant has proposed a fire access that will go around the building like a loop instead of a hammerhead but the height of the building and the materials of the building will stay the same here are some elevations on north and south and these are other elevations I know the applicant has another presentation and they will go into the more detail and explain it I have to mention that I have not received any comments or concerns from public regarding the proposed project and with that it is recommended by planning an economic development department that the design review board provide comments and directions for the BISCO self-spec project here is my information if anyone has questions can contact me directly and that was my presentation thank you thank you planner Shikali and it is a pleasure to see your face and so with that I will up there you are I will turn it over to the applicant for their presentation and when you start to speak if you can introduce yourself in your relationship to the project that would be extremely helpful and much appreciated but when the applicant is ready we will hear from them Hi this is Steve Tangney with West Coast Self-Storage can you hear me yes welcome Steve I my office is in Pleasanton, California and I've been a self-storage developer for most of my career and actually decades ago did build at least one other project in Santa Rosa a little background on the property we purchased this property in October we also went through a pre-application meeting in October and I have another power point and Monet is that one that you pull up or is it I can't no I have your power point and I'm going to show you it's right now okay thank you this site 970 Piner Road is has one 6,000 square foot office building on its single story that will be demolished this is a redevelopment and that was the former Farm Bureau building okay next slide and I think we all know where it is we'll save time we can move on next slide and again this is the same thing the property zoomed in and this was our initial site plan and our initial rendering of the project however this assumed the hammerhead turn on this kind of back corner of the property and the far background of the of this building rendering and that was ultimately not something we could deliver because it required an easement from the neighbor this was something that fire marshal Harding had initial hardage had initially suggested as as as a good solution excuse me but that did not work out so we actually reduced the building size and created the loop around and if you go to the next slide so this is the updated project rendering and in this case the the dry vial is also leading into that loading bay is also the fire lane loops around behind the building and comes out on the opposite side of the building one continuous loop like where Cougler's auto repair is and the next slide and this is the other side now that in this case our building will be set back off the property line by 10 feet and there is an existing 20 foot wide so 10 feet on each side reciprocal access easement with us and Cougler's auto repair property so that's already existing we'll be up to the edge of that easement again 10 feet off of our property line and I have met with and showed our project to the property owners on both sides Cougler's auto repair and the other brown building that says smog shop and I believe we're all in agreement that this fits for everybody concerned on the line with us today I have my architect Robin Murphy and also civil engineer with summit engineering Monica and if there's questions for civil she'll be able to answer those but I'd like Robin to talk a little bit about the materials and design of the building in more detail if he's here if not I don't see Robin Murphy on the attendance list but I see something called surface duo so that's sort of a nickname if you can let us know in a well I'll just keep going here the materials of the building are commonly and we have a chain up and down the west coast from Seattle to San Diego and won several awards for some of our designs and we were pretty proud of some of our our materials and designs is a very efficient building for us so this would typically be either an aluminum clad siding or hardy panel some very solid flat material surrounding the windows that's the blue areas in the front of the building likewise the gray area of the building where the sign is located that's kind of the front curb appeal in this case also just for reference the landscaping shown is true to the landscape plan that we have created then as you go down the sides of the building the first floor is masonry block gives it durability you know it's can be bumped that kind of thing we like that and then on the upper floor starting at about the blue stripe going up is typically an architectural metal siding on a metal frame wall and and those that siding can be a variety of different types that robin was going to talk to that and then money if you could go back one slide please um that's for yeah the other way so that again looking back here at the front of the building that there will be a manager's office on this leading corner surrounded with the glass on it at the first floor and that shows four customer parking stalls in the front and it'll be four more in the loading bay and and the manager's office about 800 square feet in that corner is a very standard elements of self-storage you know we will have a security gate shown at that Ed the leading edge of the black rod iron fencing partway back near the loading bay we wanted to keep our gate set back quite a ways from the street because the owner of the smog center building that the brown building to the east is was concerned that there be enough circulation for his vehicles for that tenant in that building to get in and out of the smog shop and so we just didn't want to create a bottleneck there turning radius problem and so we moved our gate back near the loading bay and gives more kind of a double wide driveway for that where the smog shop is located any questions at this point if not we'll move through the rest of the site plan and power point here this was the original site plan and I apologize for bouncing back and forth but you can see the hammerhead turn here and I met personally with the owner of the auto repair shop and he just felt that was something that would impair his day to day operations too much go to the next slide this was the original floor plan and again shows the hammerhead turn again we'll skip this move on and this becomes the actual updated site plan the building is a little smaller so we lost some square footage but it's the right thing to do to get the circulation for fire all on our property and the loading bay is part way down the building there and the third floor spans across so you see it as a solid roof in this picture again civil what you did a preliminary design that will modify some as to accommodate our new plan and next slide and this is the more detailed plan we'll to maintain security on the property we'll have a fire gate in the back of the property I discussed this with fire marshal hardage and that works those both gates will be of course have fire department controls on them the building will be 30 feet in height maximum on the sides and everywhere except the front where we show a decorative parapet it'll be a little more than 30 feet and we've been in discussions with fire marshal hardage about that the idea is that we get away from the 26 foot wide fire lane requirements and apparatus area next slide but may I interrupt for one second on that slide sure please because we don't have this is am I correct in that we don't have this we do it's on the updated as like yesterday's date or something oh is it I guess I missed it it's at the very bottom trying to see it in here okay great thank you so your next slide so again it's back one three-story climate controlled we'll have a usual coated entry gate broad iron there'll be two elevators at the recessed in the covered loading bay there'll be the manager's office and sales area and I actually need to strike that last comment after talking with the public art coordinator Tara and in the industrial district for industrial uses public art is not required we were initially informed that it was but it is not we show eight parking stalls as Monet mentioned and will be a 30 foot height flat roof and the building in its new smaller configuration is not 66 000 but rather 62 500 and that's kind of the oh and there'll be two full-time employees typical office hours 9 to 5 gate hours for existing tenants or longer at 7 a.m. to 8 p.m. with an extensive security system which is common now to self-storage certainly for our company lots of cameras lots of recorders you really can't be anywhere on the property without being on camera and with that this these are the initial elevations we're part of Monet's and the last slide is those same elevations that you have already seen and with that I'd be happy to answer any questions thank you for the presentation Mr. Tagney I'm very thorough and informative I think we'll take questions and comments all in one shot so let's see let's start with board member Gordon Brock sure thank you for the presentation and bringing this forward I don't have many any comments the only the only I guess comment that I I do have is in in the renderings there's you talked about the material change which looks like CMU at the bottom and then it's a metal kind of panel system above the kind of blue ribbon and in the in the renderings and the renderings it almost looks like a earth tone beige and so I was wondering looking at the renderings versus like your elevations and everything I guess I'm a little bit more in favor of if it's if the CMU is going to kind of be a grayish textural uh basically change from the metal paneling or if you're actually looking at maybe doing a a beige or an earth kind of earth tone CMU if Robin's still not on the the intent was a blend of some beige and gray and blue and and exactly the tones and the combinations of what went where other than what you see on the front along Piner Road you know certainly we're a little bit flexible on and and uh right okay okay yeah it's just in the in like the Revit model axons and in views and such and as well as the elevations the gray just continues all the way down to the to the ground but in a CMU or a block I guess form and I really like that compared to kind of the beige around the base in the in the renderings just in terms of simplifying the color scheme but giving a textural change of the at that base so right the next three buildings to the east the smog center buildings they're all twins of each other similar footprint really kind of roughly anyway two hours they're all beige so uh I was part of the incentive to start with a little bit of tie to neighborhood I am told that Robin is actually here I guess he just needs to be unmuted he is surface duo if you can help him get unmuted thank you surface duo has been unmuted can you hear me yes I love these virtual mailings oh yeah you too duo is my this is my alias that's my fault I apologize for not being able to help you Steve I think you did a great job I I don't really know what to add but I would I would say that the question of beige versus gray was intentionally gray with blue being the accent color the CMU was intentionally supposed to be gray and I want to really just quickly say about our our theory on designing storage facilities the goal I mean they are boxy massive buildings and a long time ago we decided not to make them try to look like something else you know not to look like an office building not to look like an apartment building and I think there's a mistake that's made where we try to dress them up and put little gable roofs on them and things and that it just confuses the customer and it's not right architecturally so this building is intended to be a store a store a self-storage facility and broadcast that and and that's done through the architectural you know transparency at the street at the corners and elsewhere it's opaque sure now I think I'm fine with all of that we've kind of treated the corner and I just like the single kind of accent you know color and then just the material change is enough you know I think at the the pace but otherwise no other comments or questions thank you great thanks board member cordon rock board member wagel comments questions I think like I said to our previous applicant it's a good project it but it is what it is right it's a storage it's like storage facility but looks like a nice storage facility about it it's for bringing this to us let's get it built it's better than what was there so good job to your team and and thanks for how bringing this before us thank you thank you excellent board member sharing questions and comments yeah thank you and just to confirm um with the the new because uh with a new modified site plan it's eating the landscape in the back um the creek side of the building but you're it's kind of small just for me and that's it's just for me um you're preserving the bioswale and I can see there yes stormwater yeah we we used to have a generous uh you're right landscape area in the back and oversized bioswale now we're down to kind of just what works for the bioswale yeah um but it does work and the discharge point from the property after course filtration and detention if needed it will be uh to to the creek okay yeah um yeah and I that was my first um impression of the project when I looked at it was a very nicely planted um it looks really great and the front still really uh it continues that um and then on the creek side I thought that was a very nice nod to the to the paved trail back there that you were making the rear of house look very lovely but uh you know um fire gets involved that's what you do um and uh yeah no I just wanted to see that the drainage was still being um uh incorporated into there um and then the uh it's 50 is a little over 50 feet step back from the top of bank it is there's a recorded setback on our lot yep uh that is 50 feet and we're right we're right there okay cool yeah I'm on the waterways advisory committee as well and so this will probably be coming to us at some point and so we'd want to see that as well um so um but that it all looks like it checks out and um yeah and as far as the building goes um very nice um yeah very nicely done um very tastefully done and yeah I think that just nice to hear you say that you um are making your your storage facilities um you know look unique um and uh you know you know you're not putting the gable roofs on if you're going to dignify it you know I want to see this you know full Bavarian style or English tutor I don't like but uh this looks uh this is great and I think it's going to add to the pine root so thanks very much thank you thank you uh great board member wicks questions and comments yeah um like like Drew said this is we could I could just easy to say love it get it built but I've got one little knit and I think it actually might help simplify because um it is what it is and um this is when I really wish we were back in the chamber because I get out my laser right now and and just point to um the the parapet that's well on this let me see if I can describe it behind the blue block element yeah that there's and maybe it was a remnant from when the building was pushed up against the property line um there's this wall that just just kind of ends um and I believe you probably did it to hide the pitch and make it look less like a building but I think it's okay I think it's okay to remove that portion of the wall and treat it like you did on the um looking southeast you could flip to the southeast and I saw you went ahead and let the let the roof line go ahead and be exposed yeah I agree I mean I think you're right it is a remnant of a previous layout that um it doesn't necessarily help and it detracts from the corner elements which are hierarchically should be you know that's that should be where your eye goes all that does is cause some confusion and I think initially it probably was to hide the pitch of the roof yeah 100% agree with you yeah I think I think it's I think it's fine to go ahead and let it be a little bit of what it is and it is it is a metal building and the I think people who are driving by their eyes going to go to what you've done with the nice element in the front that nice block element and right not going to look past that and I think it would save a couple of bucks and look better yeah unless you'd have to wrap it around like you did in this again I can't you I'm pointing to it with my my mouse on my screen that nobody can see you get the you get my point and uh yeah yeah can't wait to see it built well great thank you board member wicks vice chair hedge path yeah I had the exact same comment is Henry what's interesting about the rain we're seeing now there's a roll-up door on the next building that looks like the parapets returning it's exactly positioned where there's a brown return and um whether it's just sloping it or returning with a parapet I I agree with Henry it can be a best if you're moved um I really enjoy what the architect and and the team is doing here with honest buildings I I don't want to get picky about the sign but I I love I triumph over you had a placeholder that was a big tabulate it was it was kind of a stick on now you've got the letters that are um letting the mass all be in place so where it says self storage and the yellow underneath it it would be lovely if that was powder coated steel or metal where it glowed from behind rather than um the we've had a spate of you know many signs but we're done where it's it's plexiglass tinted blue and it glows from the inside but the permanence of this building it would just be wonderful if if you know whether that was a cnc little um emboulette whatever you have in the front of a seashell but I'm just hoping those are deep letters they either glow from behind or maybe they have them you know what uh the uh b and k lighting does the little guys that stick out and hit it but I just love the idea that those are stable solid 200 year letters okay that's it you're great all right I guess it's my turn again I'd echo that it's a job well done I think it's going to fit into the surrounding very well um the only couple comments I would make is recognizing that you just lost pretty substantial square footage uh due to the fire turnaround situation I would just say if there are any extra dollars continue the nod to the creek in the back I hope people actually utilize the trail back there and you know I think you could enhance that portion of that section of it um this is more landscaping back there if the if the dollar survives the day um and the only other just kind of odd comment that I would make and I and I think I'm seeing it correctly is that all the vertical elements that kind of break up the mass uh going back on the sides uh are bounce bounce correct yeah yes they are they're not intended to be trim color they're intended to be the color of the side to be very subtle I'm not sure your comment was going that that's that was the intention yeah I kind of uh I look at it could be successful either way um I think it does add to kind of a rhythmic nature my comment was going to be more along the lines of uh you know use it as a detail and and making it a rhythmic nature and and don't let the contractor go and you know stuff those wherever they kind of see fit um out of place so uh I think it you know again we're it's a it's a self storage building so we don't need to you know over enhance every side of the building but in a weird way it kind of does add some breakup of a monotonous um you know panel look so um yeah I would recommend you leave it and have it rhythmic and if it offsets the color a little bit then maybe that's okay but overall a great project again really like the landscaping palette uh and the amount of landscaping out front there uh it's going to enhance the corridor there um compared to what's currently in place and uh look forward to seeing it get built thank you great we'll move forward to make these corrections adjustments and resubmit the formal formal submittal and see you again super we look forward to it and appreciate your investment here in Santa Rosa thank you okay well I think uh that brings us to the end of our agenda um as always gonna thank everyone for their time energy and effort in uh taking another long meeting in um and thanks to staff for making it go off seamlessly I hope everyone has oh I thought someone I thought you raised your hand room but just a thumbs up all right um so with that uh we will adjourn and see you at the next meeting good night