Where can we put them, if they are moving around, we just try to stay within this lane, right? Yeah, if there are two persons, you have a hard point, but it's then the highest, the highest. If there are more people, then you can put black on the one, then you can go up. Yeah, but you see now when I'm walking away, like this, should I put black on it? Yeah, if you walk away, it's just the black. Okay, so now, like, if it's presented then... Otherwise, you get blue light in a long distance, right? But it is. For example, if I can... It's because you do, yeah? You can tell, yeah? You can feel it, it's like your hair. You hear it, it's nice, right? Okay. To get back, it's to get blue. Yeah. And then you can just... Yeah. You can put it on, like, can you put it down there? Yeah. Or you can put it on the ground for you. Yeah. Sorry? So now, like, you can put it on the ground. Yeah, yeah, yes. You can put it there, like, everything on it. Yeah. You can put it on the ground. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Just a little... You're going to have to let that go. And then I want to remove the dark, you can put it there. Yeah. It's different. When you have a powerful blue light in your face, then you can put that on it. It's very important, you can put it on the ground. Yeah. So for black, when you are... Then you can put it on the ground. Okay, sorry. But you can put it on the ground, you can put it on the ground. This is just a bit of a... It's not honest, this is just... Not sure. This is just a bit of a... Simon, can I have a presentation? Okay, great. You have a presentation? Yeah, this is just... I have a meeting. I have a meeting. I have a meeting. I'm exaggerating. I have a meeting. Yeah. And it's... Some of those... Some of those. Yeah. You make... We have that usual round of introduction. Yeah, yeah. I wanted to ask him also what is he and then what does he want? I wanted to know more in this room... Oh. What he wants to listen to. Okay, yes, I think there's... Who are you, why are you here? And where are you? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Very good. So, can we make that round? Yeah. And then, um, that's it. So, you will give a... Okay, so on. Yeah. You are operating. Yeah. So, people find a new heart, and they want to get up to the room if they're going to the room. Yeah. We will open windows around, so that we get, uh... And to go into the building, that will do. Oh, no. Did you speed up? You can speed it up. You can put it on an extra speed. You can put it on an extra speed. Okay. Yeah? Yeah. Okay. That's easy to do. That's easy to do. That part of the room is supposed to be on the side of the room. Yeah. Okay. There'll be this one. There'll be this one. Okay. I think you can... And then look at my... Okay, good. So, we have to be on these lines, yeah? No, you have to be on this side of the room. There's too many instructions. Okay. Welcome, everybody. I think the mic is not for you. It's for all the people at their screens in the world. And it's because it's registered and it's videoed and we're... Celebrities? Of course. And there's as well... For those, many of us will speak here, as always. And there's a gray line so that in the studio you shouldn't stay here because then the color is bad. Okay, welcome, everybody. At the early time on Saturday, we're already quite packed. The two of us are moderating and you see the agenda. What's coming? Moderators have to be very strict with time. Always. Yeah. And I'll leave it to you to... Well, I don't... I think we have some house... small housekeeping rules. We will be very crowded here today. So, you should feel free to circulate and be also in another room that we have prepared for you if it's too crowded in here. But we are really, really happy that we have all your people already here in the room and we're looking forward to this day. But be prepared. It's going to be a little bit crowded. And that's a good sign. Okay, so then next is Arno to welcome us formally on behalf of SCI. Yes. And I understand that these microphones are not for you. They are for the rest of the world to hear us. When you do speak in the room you just speak loudly so we can hear each other. Good morning. So, my job is to welcome you to SCI. It's the 12th time we've held this meeting. It's the 24th Susanna meeting. So we're very proud to be doing this. For those that have never been here before you're very welcome today and I hope you come again as well. This is a very regular annual meeting. And just to do a little bit of padding on the backs. So, SCI and I'm one of those people at SCI as well as Gia, Zed, Arna and Eva, Groland were really the three founders of Susanna. And I think the three of us can agree that these meetings and the ones in the Global South every year are just getting better and better. SCI for those that don't know is a think tank. It's a global organization with offices on most of the continents. It's an institute that carries out research into many of these hot topics that trouble the world today. And it covers the whole vast field of environment and development. In fact, SCI last year was named the most influential think tank on environmental policies in the world according to the University of Pennsylvania index of think tanks. I like to think that SCI's way of working is having a positive impact on the way Susanna has evolved and we'll also continue to evolve as the years go by. And over the last three days here we've been actually reviewing Susanna's first major global market study which was carried out by COST, CAWST in Calgary and CCON in Switzerland. Calgary's in Canada for those that don't know that. As part of this Gates grant that we have to further develop Susanna. And the word think tank they came out very strongly especially yesterday. In fact, the meeting where we met with the core group representatives yesterday who advised this Gates funded a three-year project to develop Susanna. We spoke about creating a new image and a new possible path for Susanna where we are in fact balancing knowledge management as you know it today on the one hand and then think tank function on the other. So today you are living proof actually that this is the case on this live stream and recorded meeting you will be showing us that you have both think tank components as well as KM. So I'd like to introduce a new face to Susanna. And I would like to introduce Simon Ocott. Please stand up. Simon is the new project manager for the Gates funded three-year development project and he works at our Nairobi office and he used to work at the Kenya water sector trust fund I'm not sure if his boss Ishmael is here he will be here there's a whole lot we can learn about trust funds as a mechanism for actually governing and funding national wash programs. So Simon actually has worked previously with the Gates foundation on a much bigger project he's going to tell us a little bit about his thoughts about Susanna and the theme of so we'd like to just a light little applause for Simon welcome him to talk. Thank you very much for that last and elaborate introduction most of you I think we've met in the corridors of the sub sector activities and also Susanna meetings and so yeah pleased to join you again in this 24th meeting Susanna meeting well I would like to say that the fact that many of you could afford to come a couple of days before the world water week is itself a reminder for us all that we have an important role to play in the sanitation sub sector so really I feel honored to stand before you to welcome you to Susanna meeting I know they're welcoming to ACI and what ACI does but I also would want to now to link this meeting our role as sub sector practitioners with the ACS world water week of reduced reuse yeah I think as a global platform for sanitation and hygiene community of practitioners Susanna is committed to stimulate action towards attainment of the SDGs especially SDG 6.2 and this is through intensified of learning of course and sharing for active application of sanitation information and outreach mechanisms in order for us to realize impact on the ground so we're looking at working at scale but at the same time we want to see how this working at scale in fact touch the grass root the grass root lives for Susanna to accelerate this impact of learning and sharing we aspire to change the community of practice behavior and I think this is practically trying to move people from need to know which we usually look at we go into looking at the platforms and forums to actually need to share and act so for us it's moving another different level where we'll be able to actually apply what we learn and actually apply at scale one of the strengths that Susanna has is the capacity to recognize changing nature of development landscape in the sanitation world and how to adapt that and I think having looked at the shifting geography and the profiles of priorities I think we've seen the growing need to upscale which I've really talked about but also there is the accelerating pace of urbanization that is a challenge to sanitation when it comes to service delivery and also the question of expanding innovations in the sub sector so how can Susanna then harness all its capabilities to be able to face these challenges and I think the strength that we have that is crucial is the fact that we can help bring these approaches to the people and perhaps try to make these the people to actually be so much agile and motivate the communities to be responsive to these kind of approaches further to this we recognize we recognize the sub sector developments that have taken place in the recent past or I would say in the past kind of two decades the innovations that have especially with regard to the service chain and the values of reuse of sanitation products sanitation sub sector practitioners have always and this is for time that stretches back we have always advocated for reuse of treated wastewater and other products from sanitation for water demanding activities which so far is really limiting the opportunities for other alternative uses for fresh water and it's therefore I think quite fulfilling for us today in this room and Susanna community that this year's water week theme which talks about water and waste reduce and reuse was well coined to actually signify the shifting priority not only for water and water resource management but towards actually considering sanitation as part of the nexus for water the wider water sector water and sanitation sector so I think this is a great honor for the community that works in sanitation today that even as we move towards addressing some of these issues that already we've seen in our agenda today that there is a strong link of our discussion today with the main theme of the World Water Week and I think that this shifting prioritization of sanitation and you know the service delivery in the sub-sector will be not only you know for these kind of the conferences but really carried out from the conferences and we try to apply whatever we learn from the various innovations that are going to come on board researchers and case studies and apply this especially for the greater south where the sanitation challenge is still a critical menace I think with you know those few remarks I wish to say welcome to the 24th Susanna General Meeting and I hope that you know today we will feel challenged will be excited but above all let us get excited and actually inspired to go and do something back at home thank you very much applause thank you someone right yes now I have the pleasure of a very interesting part of the meeting it's when we do a short introduction of ourselves and I just want you to say that I recall the summer 2007 when I got a telephone call from a totally unknown person in my life it was a certain Arna Panesar asking me how I was preparing the Susanna meeting in Stockholm 2007 and I was there in my shorts and I said yeah I'm fully prepared and since then I can tell you that has been my summer vacation preparing Susanna meetings in Stockholm that was 10 years back my name is Madre I work at SEI now I would like to see who is in the room so please say your name your affiliation and when someone told you about Susanna and you started to interconnect Arna you go no no we should actually start here yeah on that side so I will start Kim Anderson SEI colleague with Madeleine I'm co-leading the sanitation initiative at SEI when did you hear from Susanna oh right I guess I worked in the EcoSanres program so right from the start I would say yeah thanks main affiliation okay good morning I'm Omar Shoshan actually I have two hats I'm head of the Jordan federation for environmental NGO and at the same time I'm executive director of rural family society one of the organization in the Middle East has a prize today in sanitation projects actually this year I know about the Susanna so I'm very excited to know much more about this alliance thank you yeah thank you good morning everyone my name is Doreen Barlow and I work for the GIZ sustainable sanitation sector program in Germany and I learned about Susanna in 2011 yes Arna Panesar GIZ when I learned about Susanna I was I think consultant I don't know to GIZ possibly and I heard about Susanna when we were discussing what should we do in 2006 I guess that if the international year comes what should we do and that was designing Susanna good morning my name is Ankatrin Tempel I work for the Susanna secretary which is hold by GIZ and I heard about Susanna when I was a master student and I needed to do research but Carol McCreary public hygiene lets us stay human or flush and my first and last Susanna meeting was the fourth in New Delhi good morning everyone I'm Pritzalian good eyes and consulting I have been associated with Susanna since 2011 all right good morning everyone my name is Maitsam Atum I represent a rural family colleague here, Omar, and I'm the one responsible for the headache for Madeline and Andorine for the last two days with the last-minute kind of travel plan, so sorry. That's how I introduced myself. Apologize first, then go. We're here to present one of the projects that we implemented back in 2016 and earlier this year, and I'm excited to be here to be honest. I've heard of the Susana Alliance only this year, 2017. Thank you all. Good morning everyone. My name is Alexandra Dubois. I work for GIZ Water Program in Kenya, supporting the Water Sector Trust Fund, and yeah, I can't recall exactly when I heard about Susana, but the same as Anna. I think it was when I was a master student in turning for GIZ in Ashbourne, so quite some time ago. Good morning. I'm Charles Shindairi. I'm coming from Southern Water and Swarovitch Company in Zambia. I heard about Susana this year through GIZ. Good morning. My name is Ngolya Kimanzu. I work for the International Department of the Salvation Army, Stockholm office. I learned about Susana I think 2015 from Madeleine. I used to be in the steering committee of the Siani Swedish International Agriculture Initiative, and I think Madeleine does a very good job of promoting Susana. Thank you. Good morning everybody. I am Christophe Lechelet from French organization called PSO, Programmes with ITO. I am involved in the sanitation communities since the end of the 90s, and fully involved in Susana. I think about 2010, approximately. Hi, good morning. I'm Collette Renéval also from PSO. I guess I learned about Susana also during my master, but I really discovered it last year when I attended my first Susana meeting. Good morning. My name is Roland Schurtenleib, ex-AVARG in Switzerland. Actually, I heard about Susana in 2006 when I learned about this crazy idea to form an alliance on sustainable sanitation, and so on. At present I'm actually one of the five representatives of the core group in the Project Advisory Board of the Gates Foundation. Hi, I'm Peter Hawkins, presently unaffiliated, been working on sanitation for about, I don't know, 30 or 40 years, and I'm not quite sure when I first heard about Susana, but it's just like the people I like to talk to, I suddenly found they all belong to Susana, so I do too. Hi, very good morning. My name is Stefan Reuter, Director of Border, and I heard about Susana also 2006. Good morning. My name is Alex Wolff. I'm also working for Borda, based in Germany, and I learned about Susana in 2015. Hello, Theresa Wiesmann, Program Officer Africa for Borda as well, mostly based in Berman in Germany, and my colleagues speak about Susana every day, and this is my first meeting. Hello, everybody. My name is Thorsten Räcker, I'm also working for Borda as a regional advisor for Western Central Asia, and yeah, it's also difficult to say for me when I heard first time about Susana, I think it was also between 2006-2008, I assume. Thank you. Hello, my name is Bela Monzer. I work for the organization, for the program Fit for School, a school, Washington Schools Program in Asia of GIZ. I heard the first time of Susana when I was working within the Department of Education, and we had waterless toilets in 2008, and that was where we got some information from GIZ Sustainable Sanitation Program at that time. Good morning, my name is Francesca Bock. I work for the GIZ Water Portfolio in Jordan, and I believe I belong to those who heard about Susana when they did the master's research. In my case, that was in Mongolia some three, four years ago. Thank you. Good morning, I'm Jaime Tatay. I work at Comilla University in Madrid, Spain, and I heard about Susana a few weeks ago when Madeleine invited me over. Hi, my name is Sara Gobrelson. I'm from Lund University Center for Sustainability Studies. I also run a capacity building program at University of Dar es Salaam in Tanzania. I heard about Susana during my postdoc 2014. Hi, I'm Olivier Mills from Cast from that city in Canada called Calgary, for those who don't know. I learned about Susana I think in 2010. At Cast we developed virtual services, and we're thinking of doing an online space and sanitation like oh no these guys are got it. So that's how I first learned about it. I'm glad to be here. This is my first meeting even though I've heard of you guys for so long and my team's been around, but it's good to be here this year. Hello, good morning. I'm Victoria Goodday also with Cast. I work in partnerships. I heard about Susana probably three years ago, and I attended the general meeting last year. Good to be here. Good morning. My name is Laura Kohler. I'm also with Cast, and I first heard about Susana in 2011. Good morning. My name is Aline Busman. I'm working with the SeaWars Switzerland in the program SeaWars Middle East, and I know about Susana since my studies, but actively involved since last year. Yeah, my name. Yes, okay. My name is Tim Forster. I work with Voxfam, and I guess I've been messing around with Poo since the late 90s. I think I heard about Susana in about 2006, and I remember distributing some of the technical briefs around urine diversion toilets to other Voxfam colleagues to try to inspire them. I'm not sure it succeeded. Anyway. Yes, my name is Raul Silvetti. I'm from Bolivia. I represent the Foundation Sumahwasi. I have been in contact with Susana in Rio for five years ago, I think. Thank you. Good morning. My name is Adanyo Bothma from Zambia, GFA. I learned about Susana last year when I was preparing the guidelines for sanitation planning for the district. I used part of your materials to come up with these guidelines, and we are piloting them in four urban districts. Good morning, everyone. I'm Nacho Mbenangamba from the local authority in Zambia in Losaka. Losaka City Council, I work for the public health department there. I heard about Susana a few months ago. They had a meeting in Losaka, though I didn't attend. This is my first meeting. Good morning. My name is Ilengang Kata, and I work with the climate-friendly sanitation program in Losaka with JIZD, and I recently only learned about Susana this year. Hi, I'm Michael Lindenmeier, and I'm with the Toilet Board Coalition, and I'm also a fellow at the Sorenson Impact Center that has a partnership with Borda. And I first heard about Susana in about 2010 when I pulled together and co-created the world's first global sanitation hackathon. I created a thing called Toilet Hackers, if anyone remembers that, the good old days. So I love sanitation. I'm super happy to be here. Good morning, everyone. My name is Jenny Carlson, and I work for Water Supply and Sanitation Collaborative Council, and I first heard about Susana when I had my first work mission to Madagascar last year at the Global Learning Event of Global Sanitation Fund. And that's when I heard about Susana. Good morning, everyone. My name is Thilo Panzerbieter. I'm director of the German Toilet Organization, which is a part of the German Wash Network that some of the other members are also part of, have been with Susana since the very first meeting and was there when it was born. And I'm now together with Roland and a few others on that advisory board on the great Gates Grant. Hello, I'm Joe Willemski. I did an internship at the GTO this year, so I heard the first time of the Susana this year. Hello, I'm Roland. I study International Disaster Management in Berlin. And I think I heard the first time of Susana in the Washington Emergency Course from the GTO. Hi, everyone. I'm Shobana Srinivasan and I'm employed by Borda, but I work for GIZ, Susana Secretariat. I think back in 2007, I was still a wild teenager when Susana started, but I got to know about it when I was doing my master's in 2014. Thank you. Hi, good morning. My name is Claudia Ventland. I'm working for WTS, Women and Gates for a Common Future. We're an NGO part, yeah, part in Susana since maybe 2007, 2008, around the International Year of Sanitation. I'm co-leading this one Working Group, seven, which is on rural communities, Washington schools and gender. And I'm also part of this advisory board for the Gates Foundation project. Hi, good morning. My name is Lourdes Valenzuela. I'm part of the Aguatuyas Board and I'm here from Susana since 2010. I'm from Bolivia. Morning, Gustavo Heredia from Aguatuyas in Bolivia also. We are a Susana member since 2010 in Rio, the 11th meeting, I think. Hi, I'm Yannick Frida. I work for SICON and I think I first heard of Susana when I was developing an outreach strategy for another network, trying to understand what you did in around 2010 or 2011. Hello, everybody. My name is Leonela Barreto. I also work for SICON and also for SEWAS. And I think I heard about Susana in 2007, 2008, when we had this project called NETSAF, that we sum up both work together. And that's why we got together and start thinking about Susana. My name is Yannol of Drangit. I've been working with the sanitation sector for a number of years. And personally, I'm working with building ecological houses, practicing the things we have taught. And I heard about Susana from the inception. Good morning, everyone. My name is Jonathan Kampata. I'm from Zambia, from the Lusaka Water and Swara Storage Company. We are working with JIZ on the urban sanitation program. And I heard about Susana about four weeks ago. And I'm here together with the people from JIZ. And I look forward to to learn more about what we are doing and particularly to put into practice. Thank you. Good morning, everyone. I am Nyong'e Piri from Lusaka, Zambia. I work for Lusaka Water and Swara Storage. I came across Susana through the work that we are doing, trying to integrate on-site sanitation in the sanitation service provision for the utility that is working together with JIZ. So thank you. Good morning, everyone. My name is Trevor Sarage. I work for JIZ in Zambia. I'm team lead of the project on climate friendly sanitation services in Peri-Urban areas of Lusaka, and work closely with both our Lusaka Water and our city council colleagues. And I heard about Susana back in 2011. Good morning. I'm Hannah Neumeyer. I work with Wash United heading the human rights work there. And I think since I joined sort of the sector in 2010, I was sort of, you know, people talked about it. Good morning. I'm Carolyn Moore with the Global Handwashing Partnership, and I first learned about Susana this year. Good morning. I'm Ron Clemer. I'm with FHI 360. I lead the Wash Team there. I started hearing about Susana a few years ago, and this information coming out, and I was like, what is a Susana anyway? And a couple of years ago, I was able to start participating in meetings and certainly appreciate the organization. Yes, good morning. My name is François Riquet. I work for the Global Water Partnership. I'm also leading the Urban Team for the World Water Forum that's coming in Brazil. And the first time I heard about Susana is through you, Madeleine, so I don't remember when. But I can confess to you that I think of Susana every morning at breakfast time because one of the first meetings of Susana was in the KTH on the other side of the lake, so I live on the other side of the lake, and I see this place every morning. Good morning. My name is Pai Drexel. I'm a strategic program leader at the International Water Management Institute. And honestly, I have no idea when I heard the first time about Susana. You might tell me. Good morning. I'm Tarzan Keefer from Wash United. I think I must have heard about Susana in 2010, and I'm quite sure it was Tilo who told me about it. And Wash United then joined in 2011. Personally, it's my first Susana meeting, so I'm super excited about today. Oh, great. Excellent. We have been around long. And this is your first meeting. Okay, some very prominent lady has entered the door, so I would like to. Yeah. So let's start in front here, please. Good morning. My name is Christine Moe, and I'm the director for the Center for Global Safe Wash at Emory University in Atlanta. And I think I have come to some very early Susana meetings. I think there was one of the early meetings I was the only American at the meeting, so. But now no longer. That's a progress. Good morning. I'm Fatou. I work with Borda in Mali, and I found out about Susana about 2015, when I started becoming involved with Borda. This is my very first meeting, and I'm excited. Good morning. My name is Hal Fredschilder-Hedrick, and I work, I now work for EcoLoop, a small organization, a small company working, looking at water and sanitation and closing the loop. So that's very exciting. What else? When did I first hear about Susana? Well, that was Angolia, who introduced me to Siani Expert Groups and said, we should form an expert group. So we did, on water, sanitation, and food, nutrition, security, and we're, we're doing a phase two this year. So. Okay. Here's one more. Good morning, everyone. My name's Abraham Morbola. I'm from Choma, Zambia. I work with Choma Management for Cancer as Acting Director Planning. I first heard of Susana, I think, in July, when I was asked to, if I'm interested to come and attend this conference. So I'm excited to learn more about the organization. Thank you. A warm welcome. So mission completed. We have all introduced each other to it. And I think this was a little bit significant because this is a 10 year celebration of Susana. We are doing this year. You'll hear more about that later today, I think. But why presenting ourselves as we revealed a little bit about our history. And it's so great to have someone that only knew about Susana a few weeks ago, and the ones that have almost born with Susana. So now I would like to introduce the prominent honor to do some work up here on stage, please. Yes, thank you, Madeline. And so the round was, who am I? Why am I here? What is Susana? And I have the same role now. Who is Susana? Why is she there? Since when she knows it's Susana. Well, and that helped, I think. And yes, it was about 10. We have the 10th anniversary, because in January 2007, we had the first meeting and we had it because during 2006, we were saying, well, if this crazy thing of an international year really is happening, then a lot of money will be pumped into the sector and maybe a lot of rubbish will happen. So there was a strong concern that if I was always said that those days we were counting 5000 children below five dying every day because of dirty water. And the vision was that if you have a new toilet, and the only thing the toilet does is pollute the nearby village lake, then this number will increase during the international year of sanitation and not go down. So the concern was that how can we do our work more efficiently? How can we bring in the aspects of sustainability? And in the first meeting, we were about 20 people who were asking themselves how to do that. And one way was to say that, well, if we are so scattered, then these voices won't be heard. So can't we have a joint voice? And if we want to have a joint voice, then we need to have consensus on what we can argue for. And there might be areas where there will be heated discussions. But there might be many areas where we actually quite clear. So actually, it started with a number of people who want to do better work during the coming year, and to try to find out where they can reach a consensus to speak with a with a common voice with a with a stronger voice. I think that was the what how we went together. And I think that's still how it is 10 years later. And so now, Susanna has often seen as a knowledge management thing. But it is knowledge management with a purpose. Because if you think that let's let's agree on what can we agree? Then you need some literature that sort of so this is the extreme one side direction. This is the other direction. Or this is this is the review. And this is on which we can all agree. So actually, when we started the library, we were not starting a library because we wanted to have many publications on sanitation. But we wanted to make the case for where we can speak with one voice. And the other thing was that then there was a discussion. We started actually with this, the thinking what are sanitation and financing? Isn't it a wrong calculation if you finance, if you talk only about the cost of the infrastructure and not if it doesn't work at the cost of the dying children and also what is actually the political economy. So one working group was formed about sanitation and financing political economy. One then yes was on knowledge management. One was on urban sanitation and so on and so on. But again, it was not to make libraries. It was not in the first sense to make knowledge management. But actually during a quite short period of time on the pressure in that next year, how what are the key publications? What are the key messages? Which and then the other I think very important thing was we will all be under pressure in the same direction. So if two people are under pressure in the same direction and have the same task, can't they join? Mind it? Then they have somebody to talk to. Yes, please come Elizabeth. They have something to talk to. They so so that matchmaking was another motivating factor. In the beginning of a few people, then we put up a list of what we find is important. That was a wish list in that January 2007. That was there were titles possible titles of working groups. And then we said, okay, nobody can do that. And there was no funding. So the only reason that we could do that was if we find somebody who has it on a stable that he has to do urban sanitation and he's ready and is confident that talking to a few other peoples will make his work better and is efficient for him. So he's not starting a top down way that now you do urban sanitation, but it was in the coming year. How can I be more efficient? If I if I unite with a with a few other people and organizations to get something out and clear. So that's how we started. So then in the second round, we said, now you can only vote for a working group if you're ready to work for it. And actually we were thinking, well, this will reduce the number of working groups very much. And it didn't. We were surprised how many working groups stayed there on the wall. And there were a few which we then said, okay, let's let's throw the others away. Let's let's keep going. And there were one, for example, I think one was sanitation in emergencies. Nobody was able to do it. But we didn't want to put it from the wall. So we said that, okay, let's keep it at the wall as a call for action that if that we we admit nobody is here who can do it. But we all think it's very important. Another one was this political economy of sanitation. There was everybody said, Well, this is really crucial. And nobody said, Well, I can do it on weekend. Nobody has free weekends for that task. So we as well kept it and said that, Well, who might come up and do it? So now I was talking about Susanna on its way, the working groups, the vision document up there is sort of saying, let's let's write down on a few pages what we're actually heading for what do we want to do? And then we're proceeding. And then we were higher than we started to stop Susanna to say enough. Because the international year was over and we're saying that, Well, that's it. Shouldn't we stop it now? We wanted to have a more efficient international year. And then there were too many voices that, Well, actually, no, let's let's go on. It's not too bad. And so we went on. And so we were actually then seeing what we're doing more in the continuing to achieve not the international year, but actually the MDGs contribute to the MDGs. And now 10 years later, it's we're two years into the SDGs. And so that that's sort of the shift of what's happening. And we'll hear many things about that. So now I click through what what is there. So maybe today, one could say Susanna is an open network that wants to support achieving the SDGs in and around sanitation, its links, ground experiences with an engaged community. It turned out that we had, we had sort of a number of members, partners, individuals on on sort of a on a policy level or on sort of bigger organizations. But soon as we wanted to have change on the ground, we had a number of grassroots organizations as well. And we wanted to be of service for both and to bring them together and that stayed on. And yes, consensus building around if you if you if you try to analyze where can we speak with one voice and we're not immediately you will find the hot topics where there's discussions is a UDT from God or from the devil or is CLTS the silver bullet of new use or what's what is it. And and so actually by trying to find out where we need discussion, we addressed innovation and was sort of helping innovation to be discussed and as well to be documented and to as well to be agreed on what can we say about it. Okay, I think that's it in a nutshell. I'm this is now sort of re visualizing what I've said, these are the working groups. And they have changed a little bit. Some were coming, some were going, some were sleeping, some were active, and we'll hear from them as well during the day. Then as well under this, that let's let's get the knowledge base to together. It started then people who were driving, we identified a few central documents that we wanted to be there. There were key documents like the compendium, which for the first eight meetings was quite an important part in the systems working group that we are the sounding board for it. This the left one was our attempt with WSP to have some more information on costs. Then we had something on cities and so on and so on. But my point here is that it's not to collect case studies, it's not to collect this or that. It was always making the case, how can we be more efficient in our work? What's missing there as an argument, as a gap where we need the joint voice to go forward? And who is in the room who has that on the table? So that it's not some people somewhere, it's you. It's nobody else. And if you talk to you and then identify something where you say, okay, this is worth doing it. Then you say that, well, it will fit in that working group or it will fit for preparing that conference. And then it comes up and forms part of the bigger picture. Nothing else is there, I would say. Yes, then we tried, as it was growing beyond our expectations, we tried different ways to how can this matchmaking, this communication can happen. So with the now 300 partner organizations, can't partner describe, this is my organization, this is what we are doing, this is what we're interested in. So if you want to find in that country a partner, make it easier in that way. Yes, these are just numbers and I don't think I have to say much about it. It's growing, that's actually the only message of that slide. And in different dimensions. But that's, well, that's how it is. And it's global, and this is just the countries and the members and the partner, in this case, the members of the countries. And it started a lot with face to face meetings. In the first two years, we had four meetings a year because we wanted to influence the preparation of the international year, and we wanted to influence what is happening international year. And then we had one meeting here in Stockholm and one meeting in the south.  But this face to face situation was always felt as very much being needed in, as well in the global south and as well here. So then, yes, I'm, so that's it for a moment. So then actually why is it working? A network is a loose something with no commitments. You come, I don't come. No, I have to drink coffee with someone. I can't come today. So that can't work. So actually it started to be a mix of a very loose network and well defined cooperation systems from the very beginning. We heard NETSAF, which was a EU project from day one, actually people said that, okay, if we want to have that knowledge, actually you and you and you can't we apply for a project from the EU, which is doing that. And so a number of EU projects in the very beginning were formed sort of trying to produce results that were useful to Susanna and as well to use the Susanna network. That was after the publication soon there were coming a few of these EU projects. And that is what we called cooperation systems. So now, yes, and I have to say that the German ministry from day one in the sustainable sanitation project liked the idea of this thing happening. So from day one, we could say for the next two or three years, we are safe. And since then for 10 years, I have to very much say thank you to the German ministry and Tandila Kral is on the way to come to this meeting from the ministry and will be with us in the afternoon. Sort of the German ministry has paid the room rent to say that this should happen. And it has continued to pay the room rent because it liked what is happening in the room. And what's happening in the room to an extent is these cooperation systems. And the big ones that as well quite soon, I don't know when was the phase one of the SEI grant. The Gates Foundation said that you have a forum and we have 90 or 120 projects to reinvent the toilet. But these are mostly in universities and the universities are not too much discussing it with the public. So can't the forum be a place to discuss these grants? So that was sort of a clear cut cooperation system with clear tasks which improve the forum of Susanna. So the outcome for Susanna was to have a better forum. What's the time? Am I late or so? Okay, so I'm coming to end. So it's this combination of the network and the cooperation systems that makes it happening. This is an overview of some of the cooperation system. They range from the bigger ones to actually if partners come together to to form a thematic discussion or if somebody an organization says yes, we'll pay the dinner. So we can have that meeting going. So and it's very much the voluntary time or the matchmaking time that you bring into Susanna because you make it synergistic with your ongoing work. And I think that's it. This is so the regional chapters are just an attempt to be more in the region and to be of service to regional contexts with what Susanna is. The India one was starting because the Prime Minister of India was starting Swatch Bharat and actually the Indian colleagues were saying that what we had on a global level in 2007 will now be repeated in India. Everybody will build something and we need to bring in more sustainability aspects. And we had Argyam who said we'll pay three years, nine thematic discussions. So that's a very small thing, but it has a start and it has an end and it is a limited contribution to a discussion. Nothing more. It's something small, but it could we saw the potential that may be the Indian partners can can can unite, can bring on it and Vishwanath will tell us more later. Another one was the the Susanna Mena chapter or IS which is sort of starting now and I'm excited that new people in the region said well I've heard of Susanna now because that's the idea. At the moment in the Mena region a lot of things are going on and sometimes the right hand is not doing what the left hand is doing. So the matchmaking to understand what's going on and who is doing what there would be a reason and there were there two Susanna partners who have projects there. One is SEVAS with the Swiss Development Government Ministry, what's our STC and the cooperation and the other one is GTO with the German Foreign Office which are doing some small things but which are with clear goals and clear some things. Can this be a starting point for something more? We're trying out to bring Susanna to a region and the aim is again not to have it quite on a project time as a cooperation system. It has a start, it has an end and it has a contribution to what Susanna can be and I think well that's sort of visualizing the Susanna Secretariat in the last three years let's estimate 900,000 Euro, SEI has a program on sustainable sanitation as well as something. This is sort of the driving, this is the room rent but the main contribution is that other thing that all the cooperation systems which are happening because of you and this has in fact an impact on in maybe as well in fact on other broader things happening.  Yeah I think that's it and I think that we'll launch but that Roland will talk on in a minute and so the Susanna vision 2030 is our next step and I think yes the agenda. You have it in your hand just go through. We're here now at 1020 I hope it's 1020 then. We'll continue with a small launch of the sanitation calendar as an activity. We'll have a coffee and then we have a block on sort of the on one hand the net knowledge management ground a big cooperation system which will bring us towards the future then on the vision document we'll go on. You won't get lunch if you don't you're not ready to go for the group photo. Yeah so be fast for the group photo be ready to smile otherwise no lunch. Then we have let me see I think then this this is the the scaling up thing where we have a number of contributions and I'm happy that we have so many contributions from the countries and we have others on a more on a broader level. We'll go to the topic of the of the World Water Week or water waste reduce reuse and again it's a packed thing that's actually my signal I shouldn't talk too long to take time from these people and we'll have Washington institutions and gender and then we'll have a bit more on the regional chapters which I was just clapping and then we try to have closing remarks from the German ministry and the Gates Foundation and tied to web up and in between we'll celebrate because it's 10 years. Okay thank you. I'm now introducing but you're moderating with me so yes please. That's why I'm reminding you that the next program point I have the honor to introduce Jenny Carlson from the Water Collaborative Council and she's going to introduce to us a sanitation calendar that sounds really great welcome. Thank you. Good morning again everyone so I'm here today on behalf of the Water Supply and Sanitation Collaborative Council. So my presentation is really on the pre-lounge of the Sanitation Calendar which is a joint project between Susanna and WSCC and I wanted to... Is it this one? Okay I wanted to just give a quick overview of what I will be presenting. So first because I think there are some new people here in the room I want to say a few words about where I'm working and what we are doing and why the partnership with Susanna is so important and that's linking back to the presentation that was so just given here today and then talk about the Sanitation Calendar. So just to give you a little bit of a kind of snapshot of who we are. So the Water Supply and Sanitation Collaborative Council was founded in 1990. It's a UN hosted membership multi-stakeholder membership and partnership organization and that is really focusing on ensuring sustainable sanitation and better hygiene for all people with focus on the most marginalized and vulnerable members of society and we have a specific focus to ensure that we are advocating for equality and non-discrimination and we are focusing on building stronger expertise on gender equality specifically and using MGM as an entry point and I should mention here because we're talking about you know tenure anniversary WSACC has also gone through the same type of homework and we had we were we had the great pleasure of having Amina Mohammed the current Deputy Secretary General of the UN as our chair until April and so our new strategy for 2017-2020 is really very much influenced by her as she was the architect of the SDGs and we're trying to see how our work can really help to bring different sectors together integrate how we work and having a stronger stronger impact on other SDGs such as education, health, livelihoods and gender equality. So that's a little bit about our mission and then we are just as Susanna really an organization that is there for the members and our partners so we have three thousand three thousand six hundred members in 141 countries and national coordinators in 16 countries and really what we want to do is to try to collaborate and sorry promote and coherent coherence and collaboration at the country level regional level and global level and these national coordinators are of course vital to this because that is what we are there for to help the people on the ground doing the work and we have two ways of working main ways of working and one is the operational part which is the operated through the Global Sanitation Fund and the Global Sanitation Fund is supporting a country led behavior change programs on sanitation and hygiene and mainly in South Asia and Africa and the other part is really where the collaboration mainly comes in with Susanna which is the normative work policy advocacy action research applied research learning and knowledge sharing so that's really where our partnership with Susanna comes in and I would just wanted to mention that we really appreciate that partnership as we are having a great network and a great scope of working together and actually having a greater impact we have already started this many years ago and we had an important meeting in 2013 where we have also a report that came out that said we have to collaborate better in the sector between ourselves to help multiply the impact of what we are doing and one of the things we decided to do was exactly this sanitation calendar but many other aspects as well so we have already had several thematic discussions through our community of practice and through Susanna's network that has helped to drive innovative discussions in the sector for example on behavior change, slippage, challenges and a private sector engagement so that's really a little bit of the background and then we come to the sanitation calendar so the sanitation calendar the idea and concept about it was really what I've kind of mentioned that you know we need to have a greater sector coordination and integration and there's a great scope using technology for that of course it's very rapidly evolving and it all depends on where you are in the world how you use the technology but what we have developed is an online sanitation calendar that we hope can be useful for all the members and partners of our respective organizations which will allow all the members and partners to insert any activity or event that they feel that they want to share with other partners which can be again filtered according to region, language, country and theme and what we really hope is that it can be useful at country level for examples in our national coordinator in Nepal or in Malawi or in another country can use this actively as a tool and that can again help to create collaboration and integration with other partners of Susanna so unfortunately I don't have a live version of it here but this is kind of how it will look like of course this is just a better version so you can see that there's not really the real meeting here but so it's just to give you an idea that how it will be visualized and funnily enough we put 99th Susanna meeting so the target audience is the Susanna partners and WSACC members and it does require you to log in and register so that once you would actually enter the page you would have to go through that step and hopefully you could do that and then quickly it would be much more user-friendly than having to enter that kind of details every time and then you would be asked or you would find easily on the website the add button of your event and the idea is that you can really customize that and provide you know attachments and details about what that event was about so that it can also be database for what kind of events and capacity building efforts and other activities have already occurred because even though we here might know a lot there will be new people I just joined the sector one year ago and I would love to be able to access this kind of information of what actually happened on certain theme so I think it would be a great contribution from both of our organizations so Shubhbana do you want to say a couple of words from Susanna? Thank you. Hi this is Shubhbana from Susanna Secretariat so I just want to briefly explain to you the two interfaces so this calendar will be available in the events section of Susanna website and also in the WSACC website but if you want to enter events in the calendar then you would have to log on at www.sanitation-calendar.org if you're a Susanna partner you'll have exclusive rights where you could just use your Susanna username and login and enter and then you can upload your events and then pictures and PDF documents or any agenda on the event and this will directly go into the Susanna and WSACC interface and then so you're welcome to start using the calendar it will be online from next week and we are currently having a website upgrade thanks to the Gates Foundation so we'll have a new website we've revamped it and it's going to look a lot better and a lot more attractive and user-friendly so you can upload your events there so that we have a one-stop shop as Jenny had described it in the presentation you'll have all the sanitation events in just one page thank you it's not just the break the break is very important but it is 15 minutes and we have now how late are we wow so it's perfect and I won't reduce it to 10 minutes so I would say we reunite at 10 50 yeah enjoy your break and it's very important because it's the matchmaking time and and so all these time it and that's how we all come on the same page yeah that's the next break Come back everybody, our next session is the following ingredients, please take a seat. Now kindly stop talking, take a seat, our next session is will be about the knowledge grant and we can talk years and years about the knowledge grant, but we won't do, we only have 15 minutes and that's why we will be quite short and we'll as well have 15 minutes for discussion. Well this is just a fix so that people get seated. I'm not starting officially. Now I'm waiting for the sign that we're officially starting. Okay, yes we are online now, we're back on the all the people in their living rooms and so on. We have the next part of our of our morning session and we are talking about cooperation systems and there's one from the Gates Foundation which is in its third phase. The former phases were more on the level of making the forum better, making tools better. This phase as well has a dimension on actually what, where to head, who are we and so on and so on. I think we discussed three days the last week just on understanding the results and Simon O'Cott has the unmanageable task to, to give the top of the iceberg in just 15 minutes and we'll have a few questions. This is more in saying that you are aware of what's going on and those interested will contact us to be more in touch or deeper involved. There's enough work if you want to work always welcome. With these words Simon I think time for you. Thank you very much and good morning once more. Yeah, it's good to know that Susanna is not stagnant so I think in the earlier presentation by my colleague in Susanna he did elaborate that we are not stopping any soon with the development of you know elaborating on the information platform so that many of us can be able to access relevant information, sanitation information to apply. Lauda? Oh thank you. So I'm just going to elaborate in brief the phase three financing of the Susanna sustainable sanitation project that is done by the Gates Foundation and we are proud to say that ACI has also done very well to bring this funding on board to support the improvement of their platform for the users to be able to access the information as they want. This is a consortium implemented project that has a number of organizations. Of course we have both Oxfam and WaterAid also coming on board and of course we have other consultants that are supporting also the project. The project is running from last year October to the year 2019 and it aims at improving the effectiveness of the information that we collect and disseminate to the practitioners for purposes of facing the challenge of sanitation especially if you look at the greater global south where as you can see from the red indicators we are really having low progress in terms of sanitation coverage progress. So that's really what we're looking at in terms of the project and we're looking at really making the platform and the channels for disseminating this information more friendly to the users and also more targeted to the users so that really they don't spend so much time in terms of trying to locate what they want and also trying to synthesize. In terms of the key critical outcomes for the project we're looking at really trying to see how do we position Susanna appropriately for the diverse number of users, the policy makers all the way down to practitioners and of course the grassroots to whom we want to see this impact upon. So it calls upon people thinking big in terms of how do we expand the reach of the network through improved platforms how do we actually also look at Susanna being available for the users and the membership for that matter or the network for as long as possible. So the question of sustainability also comes in how do we establish Susanna as a sustainable platform for use in the run up to the year 2030 and some of the critical activities that have been identified as being important for this exercise as we raise against time in terms of improving coverage of sanitation included you know taking critical studies the user experience study with regard to two websites the Susanna website as well as the forum website and also looking at who are our stakeholders what are their actual requirements and in terms of what can we do to in fact be able to address their critical needs as they undertake the challenging job of increasing impact of sanitation activities. So well the user experience study is already undertaken and I think we've incorporated lots of recommendations that came from the users what they feel should be altered what they feel worked well in the within the two platforms or within the two websites and so I believe that in the next couple of days we should be having a new look Susanna website together with them with the forum so hold your breath it will really be exciting yeah so so that is already done and we are moving quite well with that the next bit of the study was to take stakeholder market study which is currently being just finalized it was being done by Kerst and and and Sikon my colleague Anu did mention that in the morning and it's really looking at what are the strengths of Susanna in the current you know information information sharing sharing platforms what are our strengths what are our weaknesses what are our opportunities to collaborate with others were also in in this particular business and the scope spanned around creating a baseline and looking at what is currently there and then developing a strategy that would then take us to the next level and of course this strategy will have to be the impact of this strategy will have to be measured through established performance indicators yeah just a bit of this diagram is is becoming a whole mark for for some of our presentations and you will bear with us that looking at the approach of this particular study it was envisaged that as much as it's good to look at the supply side of you know the information you can have you can evaluate you know the needs of the supply side but really you have to understand what are the demands so that you do a proper matching of you know the your interventions and so the study took the approach of evaluating the supply side and of course also the demand side and these actually comes into in handy to support the strategy in terms of trying to target properly the audience so that you don't really as it came in the user study that you really have everything for everyone even if they don't need that some of the indicative results from the user from the stakeholder study market study has been you know shared with us and what is emerging is the fact that we need to really organize the materials under the products through the different channels that are popular with the people so that the wider audience or respondents that responded to some of the critical questions we're looking at we really have to differentiate the target and the market try to see what the policy people need as opposed to perhaps what the practitioners need and really what is it that the grassroots CBOs require from from the same platform and in doing so also try to see what are the appropriate channels that they can actually access this through so so these are actually a mind and I believe that in the next couple of days the team still is going to finalize this and this will be available for all of us to see and not just to see as in terms of outcomes of the study but in terms of how has that influenced the Susanna operations and give it a new impetus in terms of reaching out to wider group of people in a very differentiated and disaggregated manner with that I wish to call upon Dan and Carol just to give an insight into another activity that I've not highlighted within this presentation you did he was going to call on us so what we prepared to do is pass this a little card around so Carol and I are long-term academics who once thought the word Wikipedia was right up there with you know a very very dirty word and we have since been very humbled to realize that there are far more people who go to Wikipedia for information than to Susanna now this is very sad state of affairs but it is the case so Carol and I have committed ourselves to looking through the 100 top entries on Wikipedia that relate to water and sanitation and with World Toilet Day coming up we're going to have a huge influx of clicks on Wikipedia about World Toilet Day so if you are a World Toilet Day fan I just passed out the World Water Day card but we have one that is a World Toilet Day card so if you prefer the alternative those are in my bag too but this is an invitation for you to join our team and we're planning on having fun Carol and I are really quite excited about taking some of the sciency things that appear on Wikipedia and putting them in a form that would be readable and understandable to quite normal people and we have as a reference point some of the people we personally know where we work who have a high school education and are thirsty and hungry for information and they go to Wikipedia and they just like breeze right on by and they don't even go to Susanna dot org so join our team thank you very much that's a gracious call and with that I think I want to dilute that I want to say thank you very much any questions we're available with regard to the grant thank you okay let's have we have maybe five minutes for for some to start questions maybe we cannot have a one-day discussion so which questions came out of the presentation on the grant please if there are any you're so thrilled no question from our side yes Stefan please when we talk about knowledge management we look about the right solution sustainable solution how do we make sure we don't only address technology health and hygiene education but crisis situation where we come across bribery situations where money doesn't stay in the utility but it's used to lies for the next elections so these things all happen and are not solved by having a membrane treatment system instead of a constructed wetland so how do we address these necessary steps in the evolving sector how do we address that in our survey or is that also addressed as a need so my point would be instead of expert advice process consulting manage through these crisis it situations I'll try with a humble answer and then the experts on the ground have to add the ground was given very much on knowledge improving the knowledge management in the existing library case say whatever is there and I think what what it can achieve that I'm quite confident that somebody who goes to the website in two years or in your will improve that during the grant around expectation management so that if I'm going here what can I find who am I and what is the knowledge that I will need so it's it's on the other hand to say that is there something which should be there because that is then the con the discussion on sustainable sanitation is more complete and here this is I would guess not exactly inside the knowledge meant part of the ground so but I'll I'll ask the ground yes I know please come just to say that curation is below the the peel the outer peel of knowledge management and there's a lot more if you like select selectivity and a little more rigor in in where Suzanne is headed the backbone of Suzanne is really the working group and you're one of the working group leads and these are networks and many of you are members of them but what we will be doing is actually turning those working groups into be much more active to be able to supply a kind of a fingerprint profile of what people's needs are we have the survey has told us about the demand side what a typical user could be a wastewater engineer it could be a doctor in a hospital in Delhi to find out why his patients I have AMR from all the antibiotics he's giving it's it's a very very specific capacity and in fact yesterday and a market meeting mentioned that we could be doing profiles for about 10 different kinds of personas 10 different kinds of market targets based on the users we have today and we will be if you like data warehousing what people are pulling out of of the literature from our system but also the many partners so it's a much more sophisticated supplied demand relationship on the knowledge the other one is this kind of thing the melting pot trying to pull people together to create new knowledge and new click new ideas and to share things and learn and that's the think tank side yes I think that's and and if you start at the sneak preview I'll go I'll go add another minute to it that the survey that that cast second reached 30,000 potentially 30,000 people and 2000 to 3000 answers came back so now with this you can actually say that who asked and what he and he answered as well I'm getting my knowledge like this and I like to talk like that so that actually you can ask you can make a profile of a persona and and we were developing that further that that a newcomer says that the more you tell us that who you are not on a personal but on an abstract level the more we can guide you to what you might need or what the other 500 who came what need and if we really have some funds available to make that in a professional way the more you tell us that from where you are at entering the website the more the website will be organized to according to your needs and if you feel that's a good way and that's useful for you then you might be ready to say okay I I want that the next one coming as well finds it useful so I'm ready to improve to give some information to make the persona more appropriate so there's a there was a whole world to it how to make that sort of according to the how to say to respect the privacy of the of the person coming but it it was an idea now coming out of the discussion we had yesterday that it might help us to organize information and it might help us to to come to the website and not be drowned in information but to say that here I am that's what I am and then the website sort of organizes if this is what you are then this is what the app upset can offer you but that's that that would be we have to discuss it it would be a bigger thing but it would would fit actually to my understanding to what Susanna is one more question and one these two and then we close it and then we hand over to Roland my question is how do you consider the other language than English or do you consider the various user that don't that doesn't use English yes first I asked Francois as well to to put this question and you need to look into the mic because of the there are five people in living rooms listening to us or maybe my question is mainly about sanitation we started Susanna with very much the semi ecological sanitation it has evolved as you explained and what is for this knowledge management on sanitation how far you're going into waste management solid waste liquid waste I don't know exactly so have you been how are you actually putting a scope to sanitation now for this knowledge management product okay so languages and scope maybe first scope it's with the presentation of Roland's that we are now not in the MDG era but in the SDG era and in the SDG area actually what we started 10 years ago with the working groups to say that sanitation and nutrition or emergencies or climate change so this is now formalized through the SDGs and and this is actually what's relevant for sanitation Zenzulato in the broad sense that's relevant for us and it's not top-down that we say it's relevant but it's more that we need people who do it if then the the maximum maximum sort of contradiction can see everybody finds it relevant but nobody's ready to do it that we have in a few cases as well but otherwise that's and that defines the scope and and to sort of to look at sanitation in really a broad in a broad sense languages some are the same answer we took and I'm happy for the for the people from Latin America we took the some Rio conference on in an urban context to say that that's back to back to a Susana meeting and we took that as an opportunity to translate some material in Spanish and Portuguese and we said that we can do the efforts anytime and we try to kickstart some activities as well in Spanish and so on then the next thing we had the newsletter for some time in French then depending on the subscription it was stopped because they were not too many subscribers it's sort of demand oriented another attempt is the regional chapters we're discussing to do something in the India chapter as well using Hindi so that so we're aware that we are not good in languages that we are too north to English and we try to go with the demand create some activities that allow us to go to more to other languages that's it on a very broad level is that fine others want to add the language yes we got information on languages a lot as well from that's from that yes but I will tell the joke first we ask we ask in English French and Spanish do we have problems with languages if we would have asked in Hindi Chinese dialect and some other languages do we have problems in African local language do we have problems with languages I think we would have got different results but please tell us that's really the answer to what came out of the survey is that it is a bit biased in the sense that the survey was only in those three languages and so therefore it wasn't necessarily that came out as a strong result yes but we had how many French answers how many Spanish answers out of two thousand and or three thousand out of about three thousand responses about 300 total so about 150 in French and in Spanish okay so 10% of the answers were in those languages and then also that those responses weren't necessarily from the the French speakers the Spanish speakers were not from regions where that was the local language there their practitioners in Asia and Africa etc yes and we have a huge sort of let's say governance problem we're ready to go to the regions we're ready good to go here to rewrite but we are not we're not an institution we're WSEC our we have representatives in hundreds some in so many countries we don't have we have a we have a lose network with a with a lose this is the plenary meeting it's relevant what you say we have a courtroom it's but that's it there is there's no top-down thing so it's an invitation to all of you to think about how this can be useful for your work and then then Susanna can follow but that's how we work and I think this is we can close this here and I invite Roland here I could take a half a day to introduce you Roland I think yes we are so many people admire you I'm one of them we have started about a year ago two years ago well when we saw that this this STG is are coming it was quite clear that we were MDG oriented now we should be STG oriented thanks to the group of a few people who then started to look at the vision document and look at the interlinkages that what does it mean for us and so that's actually a big moment should we is this the launching moment now so then let us launch together or do it at the end no we do it now we are launching the 2030 vision document yeah that's it okay can I go back yes we saved some time that was a very intelligent thanks very much well I if it takes a half an hour to introduce me that's a bad sign actually anyway so I think many of you know me and I know many of you and I'm very happy to see so many familiar faces anyway the launch of this vision document let me start how does that go here where do I where do I press okay so let me say first a few words why it was decided to write a new vision document as it was mentioned before by Arne actually the first vision document was written in 207 in the eve of the when when Susanna was created in the of the year of sanitation and in the middle time between of the of the MDG period and actually at the core of that vision document was the definition of sustainability in in sanitation that was really the core now as you all know in almost exactly two years ago the SDGs were adopted by the UN member states and the 23rd agenda for sustainable development including the 17 SDGs including one dedicated goal on water and sanitation we white we fight it for a long time and successfully so as you know in the MDGs sanitation was just one of the sub targets in the in in one of the in the sustainability sustainability MDG so that was really the motivation that we said we have to write a new vision document replacing this this old one and as you know as you also know there are really some major changes between the MDGs and the SDGs just very briefly of course SDGs are more comprehensive they are interlink they are incorporating all dimensions of sustainability not new for Susanna but very different from the NDGs universality SDGs are universally applicable to all countries not just to developing and transition countries and of course much more ambitious and one of the main points not leaving anybody behind so of course we asked ourselves what does that mean now for Susanna well first of all the good news is Susanna doesn't have to catch up with the SDGs it's the other way around actually the SDGs we are catching up with Susanna because all these sustainability criteria which are now in the SDGs we have been talking about since 2007 and and so it's it's we are have been very much with the underlying philosophy of the new SDGs now of course we have continuing challenges and fortunately because of the profile of sanitation has been increased quite tremendously during the MDG period I think it's no more Susanna's main role to lobbying but it's much more a facilitating role and I think the Gates Foundation grant is now a great opportunity to to find out how this can be done in a very in a in an efficient way I think one thing which is also which we really want to continue focusing it's not new continuing focusing that highlight the need for a systems approach that we look at the entire sanitation system and this case very nicely visualized in with this figure that the MDGs we're really looking at the access part Susanna has always been looking at the entire system but now SDGs the target six two six three are really looking at the entire system extremely important but of course we have also new challenges so we asked ourselves in the new vision how shall we respond to leave no one behind so it basically means for Susanna we really have to provide more focus on the hardest to reach and the most vulnerable very difficult but I think we have to approach that how do we respond to your universality do we now deal with the whole world with the developed countries as well as with the developing countries well we said no we will still focusing on the law and law middle-income countries but we are aware of the new developments in the highly developed countries about alternatives and use them as showcase to conventional wastewater systems I think this is important especially also for people in developing countries always tell me why are you telling us to do something different than you have been doing now for for for so long so I always tell them look we are looking at alternatives ourselves so that I think is important and I think if you look at the world today there is really you know with a whole refugee situation there is a really big need to improve the cooperation between humanitarian and development actors I mean so many of these refugee camps are unfortunately becoming permanent institutions basically and I can tell you that you know I was mentioned before that STC is funding Mina chapter of Susanna I can tell you that's the motivation of STC to to to fund this may not chapter because of the refugee situation in the Middle East that is that's why it's worth relatively easy to to get these resources from the STC and I think it's also important that we provide orientation and guidance at the country level especially setting national priorities and translating global if you have global sanitation targets but we have to translate them into local conditions this is very very important also universal doesn't mean the same solution for everybody this is so I think we we should help people at that at the national level to to put these how to put these priorities and how to translate these global international targets and then I think also emerging is more technical assistance in developing methodologies and designing monitoring structure at country levels so we will I think we will hear a bit more later if Graham is here I didn't see him but anyway I think next to these new challenges I think and personally that is really I think this is the the big new opportunity that we have with a change from the MDGs to the SDGs because there are so many linkages between sanitation and all the other SDGs so this is a great opportunity to finally reach out and cooperate with other sectors of course mainly with the targets of with the other targets of SDG6 but also with the with some sanitation relevant targets of of the other SDGs actually most of the SDGs have a very close link to sanitation in the vision document we could only sort of highlight some of these interlinkages and but in parallel to the vision document we actually produced an interlinkage to an interlinkages document where we are actually outlining or talking much more in detail what the interlinkages are and what the opportunities and the challenges are and I with that I would like to hand over to Elizabeth oh here she is Elizabeth Kvarnström she will talk now a little bit out about this interlinkages document now Elizabeth you were not here when we all introduced ourselves for would you like to do that now now it's been pointed out twice I was late but Arne did it intentionally anyway my name is Elizabeth Kvarnström and I work for research institutes of Sweden my name is Elizabeth okay it's not problem with the mic it's more my voice right okay my name yeah I don't think it work I mean it's not it's exactly I just began Elizabeth Kvarnström I work for research institutes of Sweden and I've had the absolutely great pleasure of being involved in the work with the vision document with Roland who I am in the fan club as well and with Patrick Bracken and with the GTZ team and with Kim and it's been fantastic so as Roland said in the work with the vision document we we we worked also on the interlinkages and it's really exciting because we in the sector we all I mean if you're working with sustainable sanitation it's clear to all of us in here that there are a lot of it interlinkages but what we've tried to do I mean what we did when we worked with the vision document was to to try and systematize it in a way and it started off as an internal document to more kind of see where the different working groups could work with different SDG targets but then we we realized that this is this could be really an important thing to also for people outside Susanna so we decided to make a standalone document or product of it and so it's it's maybe not the most exciting thing to read because it's basically a table of is it here no no I think Cecilia has copies anyway no no just yeah so it's a it's a it's a long document of maybe 20 pages with a table where we're kind of showing the relevant SDG targets per goal and the links to sustainable sanitation and opportunities and challenges so it's not so exciting to read from from the beginning to the end but I think it's really really useful and the fact is and it when you go through it if you go through all of the 169 targets of the SDGs we can see that 49 of them as far as we could see are relevant to sustainable sanitation there's a clear link so we have that listed in the table and then we've tried to articulate those links with references so this could be this is a first attempt I mean we could one could do much more one could go more into research and really make this a good reference document but this is at least start so you have arguments and you have a little reference so you can go and look at the reference if you want and then the last is the opportunity and challenges and the and this the opportunities opportunities can be challenges and the other way around so a challenge could be an inspiration for where we need to work and an opportunity is something to catch on to of course yeah so it can be useful as a source within the sector for inspiration for work the opportunities and challenges for example and also for advocacy for for sustainable January sanitation in general by the links to two other targets and also of course as an inspiration for our sector to reach out and work with the other sectors and this is just you can't read this probably but just this is just to show how it looks like with the targets on one end the little piece of text and then you can see that we try to have reference there so this is what we don't if this isn't draft form now so but hopefully soon it's gonna be finished in the first version thank you okay thank you very much Elizabeth now before we come to questions actually sorry the first version is there no yeah yeah I think they are actually see so you can have another sneak preview and and maybe that's why don't the two of you celebrate an answer to seal it because you both were in the we just hold it into the camera and smile okay so we announced okay anyway I forgot to say they are of course a copies of the vision document and now also of the interlinkages document I think they came now so there should be enough copies for for everybody so thanks very much for that a little bit now before we come to questions we want to get some voices actually now from these other sectors and I'm very happy to that I can now call upon several people the first is paid rexel from EMI and she he will give us some reflection on the interlinkages between sanitation sorry waste management and especially agriculture please pay well if you want to be seen in the camera then you have to come to the front that's that's my answer so where am I allowed to stay that I don't take perfect pain yeah thanks so I understand that my role is to represent one of these sectors or one of the SDGs which is not number six so I'm representing an agricultural research Institute so our mandate of course is to contribute to SDG to and but I must say that we have in our Institute actually three big programs and one program is on rural or linkages and this program looks a lot at resource recovery and reuse so that's our entry and I like very much what you said Roland said the SDGs have to or now are finally catching up with Susanna because they are adopting more and more compared especially under six systems approach looking along the whole sanitation service saying a less emphasis only on the provision of toilets and this is what made Susanna strong and that is actually what I left in the first vision what I love again in the new vision that is the systems perspective that is what allows Roland here today to call me here and then to call later on Tilo someone who presents the one and maybe of the sanitation chain more around the toilets and we had the other end is agricultural reuse sector and this looking along the chain I think this is very very important and that might be unique for Susanna and where Susanna can provide an added value recently we analyzed the business models the business models which are mostly at the toilet side the business models which go over to the collection those which extend to treatment or those which goes and also to the reuse component or which start at the other end so we are coming more from the reuse side and it was very interesting to compare these different business models and to see also where we have gaps because in real life also we all cherish the sanitation service chain in real life there are many gaps still and just to give you I don't know how much time I actually have but to give you just one example I'm living now in Sri Lanka where we have the Emmy headquarters and Sri Lanka's 115 compost stations there was once a big big big push and you can say no 115 compost station yeah but governmental supported there's still money for them it's great so there must be a lot of compost used no compost station doesn't mean compost used not at all yeah so and and that are these gaps they are producing compost to reduce the waste volume there and these stations no one who understands agricultural sector that was not the design the design was mostly getting subsidies reducing the volume to understanding actually how to market the compost to will buy it etc. that's a totally different story so there are still gaps in these in these concepts gaps which we have to address and gaps where we see solutions out there like in India this fantastic regulations that when you want to sell commercial compost you also have to sell some city compost it makes it now much easier because now the commercial compost suppliers go out to the compost stations compost stations which normally have big challenges exploring the agricultural market now suddenly someone has actually to come to them or in Ghana where we helped and managed that fertilizer subsidies extended to waste compost so also waste based compost has now the fertilizer subsidies and so that are these steps the right solutions where we can break those barriers which are still between the different steps of the sanitation service chain to make it working and that's it thank you very much thank you very much and I really hope that I mean you have been working on these linkages for a long time but I hope that in the future we can excite more people in the agriculture sector to to be excited about sanitation but that's up to us to to do that now I would like to call up on I think Graham I didn't see huh it's not here so then Bella Montse from Gizat she will talk about the interlinkages between actually to to the education sector isn't it so please yes hi I'm Bella Montse I'm working in the education sector and basically I came originally from the health sector it's also interesting I'm my profession is I'm a dentist my it was my task to work with the Philippine government to improve oral health in children because children have to decay from ear to ear and there was a question what can be done using the school system because there's no money in the healthcare system and we were using the school system to start with daily tooth brushing but to do daily tooth brushing you would need water and you would need washing facilities and at that time it was also quite difficult to get so much attention for that that was the time of H1N1 and all over there was the hand washing everybody was propagating hand washing and so hand washing and tooth brushing were linked to each other that was also even a bit new in the healthcare sector to easily link that to a hygiene package but a hygiene package itself needs also as you see here needs facilities needs toilets needs needs these infrastructure in order to carry out activities and that needs again needs a whole system within the education sector to carry that out because it's not just that there is infrastructure or that you plan to do some activities you need regular you need routines you need planning budgeting you need the parents you need a monitoring system all of that is something you have in order to have a functional hygiene program in schools you need really the institutional set up you need a yeah and up you need that the institutions further develop so it's something embedded in an in the institutional setting and just to say therefore wash in schools program can never be just coming from the wash sector and has to be embedded in the education sector with the education sector in the lead but of course the wash sector is so much needed to bring in information and the expertise because the education people are not experts and has to be make very easy understandable for the people in the education sector to manage wash so the management of washes in the education sector thank you thank you very much thank you very much by the way I think it is planned to tomorrow in the core group meeting that we are really discussing have a really first discussion also about putting now these ideas of the vision document the interlinkages document into action what it actually means and who could do what what the working group could do so to have this type of discussion now of course there is a very close link between between sanitation and nutrition and I'm very happy now to call up on to Tilo to introduce the the document wash and nutrition please I'll just grab the microphone to call on my colleague Yona to maybe come to the front and introduce it giving her credit as it's her publication and so I'm happy to announce Yona who in Susanna is one of the co-leads at present for the wash nutrition working group so Yona thanks Tilo hi everybody too many things to grab here so this is the document that I'll be talking about and it's the magic formula two plus six equals 17 the magic formula for achieving the STG's well thing is thing is that those people suffering from under nutrition are often the same people who lack access to adequate wash services and since wash and nutrition are both basic services and both human rights and this is an important point when we talk about achieving how we want to achieve the STG's and also to leave no one behind but yes wash and nutrition are also different and oversimplified that means that wash originally comes more from the hardware focus with that from the hardware perspective so now slowly including well not slowly also quickly now including soft components but hardware component hardware indicators are also those measured in the STG's it's different for nutrition so nutrition aims to improve health and nutrition outcomes but nutrition also achieving nutrition goals also relies on other sectors so it comes more from the software side so from hide from the hygiene direction and this publication is exactly for this purpose purpose it's creating understanding between both people working in both both areas and shed light on challenges and also based on a survey makes recommendations how to overcome those challenges that's it this is really a nice now really practical step already for for showing this interlinkages and how to to to optimize them so thanks very much for that now I think we have a little bit of time for questions yes yes we have a little bit of time for questions comments to what you have heard now in this in this session please yes thank you Olivier from cost my question really relates to the fact that as mentioned earlier on that the the STG's are very ambitious and and some may argue unrealistic in terms of the the targets by I guess 12 and a half years from now so what are we doing to as as Suzanne as more and more are going to be looking at Suzanne who's now really well known and in sanitation and say what can we do and how can we avoid the some of the fast-tracking or the the mistakes in taking shortcuts in sustainable solutions or solutions that will last some of the lessons that I think the water sector learned a lot in the 80s and 90s and not just come in with quick solutions because we've got to reach those targets and the governments are going to get pressure for targets implementers are getting pressure for reaching those numbers rather than reaching sustainable solutions so I guess my question is what is Susanne and its membership doing to support doing the right solution right versus just going for targets well that's a very easy question isn't it I think that's a question we are asking ourselves we are since we are exist actually that's no not not new but maybe we have some reaction to this Stefan my point would be rather than wait another three years in order to find the ideal solution how to prevent from those mistakes to happen be there and fail quickly and learn quickly right so I don't think we can prevent failure from happening but this failure could result into reluctance and dismissal of the solutions in the political arena so this is where Susanne is needed in order to take up the excellent opportunities for learning because in fact we we learn more quickly from catastrophes like the big Rhine River catastrophe or other big cholera outbreaks then from best practice thank you well thanks I just would like to underline that that's also I think we and I think it that's really a little bit of a mindset too that I know it's very difficult to talk about failures because everybody wants to do the great jobs but like you said I think we learn more about failure and it's not you know as a researcher I can tell you and a negative so-called the reason is not a bad result as long as you know why and you learn out of it don't make the same mistake twice and I think Susanne I think that's all what Susanne is about to learn from each other and just before Stefan told me we have a big problem to get resources to to to learn and to to get that across the other people and this is sad if we don't have these resources I know a lot of resources go now to the refugee situation as I told you before that I what I know about the the the development agencies that's where all the money goes now or most of the money but I think this is we really have to be careful and I think we have to see what can Susanne can support this really linkage and and this learning and might be again let's also talk about failures we had two plus six is 17 so two is nutrition that was it this mathematics you know is it too but two wasn't that as well agriculture yes the no hunger goal so that came from from pie and it came from you and we had four that was Bella that four is the education where even indicators are there so actually my answer to that that that what is it three with health but my answer to the question is that these are examples we're working groups since two years three years or a couple of years are actually working on the merging of the the now since two years goal and another goal so we are is it it's off so yes but as this screen is off I'm allowed to stay and I think we are not sort of that's what we should we're not others might start now we are looking into the network where what we started ten years ago was fruitful it was fruitful according to the principles that it should not be a top down you have to do but it is a synergy between a Susanna partner and a partner from another sector where both say this is a synergy if we are doing it together it's better so actually I think we should learn from these examples we have now over the last ten years try to understand them and then we don't have the answer but maybe we can contribute to the answer how to then as well have sustainability beyond sanitation that would be my answer other other comments questions Stefan I mean the target now should not be to fail right so the other part of your your question I would like to to add a quote from Chris Buckley he said half a year of field work can save you one morning in the library so replicating and I think this was your question right instead of replicating and then after half a year finding out all that doesn't work trying to find and make use of our resources and linkages in order to have exposure visits learn from failures or practice in other areas have south house personal linkages people meeting exchanging engaging before taking that decision I think that's very valuable to answers here I saw her hand first just under underlining what Stefan says it's absolutely the exchange platforms that's not just a library and publications where you where you find articles no it's exactly also the network and linking people and really creating possibilities to learn from each other and I think that's really happening with Susan and that's the core value and the question is how to make that even better and therefore I think specifically with this entire online possibilities of exchanging that makes it's much more easy now to do that we need a very very good platform where that can happen and I think there's much room for improving this because also you can see all over the world now people have access to internet so it's so fast some countries are really taking so many steps they don't they don't go for landlines anymore they immediately go to cell phones so whole generations of technologies that they just do the next step immediately so I think that will help a lot okay Diane as the last question well Roland makes the point that we can learn from our failures and we should be writing those up then when you said the morning in the library well I spent the morning in the library and everything I found was just wonderful about the sanitation world when I was writing my first grant and actually took six months in the field to make the same mistakes that once I talked to people they had already made but they didn't write it up and so I think we need an effort within our community to legitimize failure as success or to somehow legitimize the importance of talking about what we learned and documenting it and we're all vulnerable to what the person gave us the grant might think we got to get over it because that I really felt like I wasted my time by going to the library for that half day sorry okay there's one where it seems to be very urgent yes okay one small follow-up and then everybody is allowed to talk there is somebody or an organization that have actually systematized failures in sanitation sector they're called improve international you should check out what did they do they have really written up projects that failed and why they failed and stuff like that improve international improve international so thank you thank you to Roland and the team and to our launches and now we are not you won't get as I announced you won't get lunch if you don't are fast with a group photo but that actually is Madeleine or Arno that the SCI is helping us with that so go out and look for guidance thank you for this morning it's okay Kim so that it's again downstairs and looking in that direction okay and we're back here it seems at one o'clock enjoy your lunch and thanks for now I Yeah... I am the favorite. I know her. I know her. I know her. I can not put her... I don't have the name. Yeah, maybe. I know her. Ask it, I know her. I know her. I know Jay. You can take Jay. I know her. Yeah, but you can introduce him, and then you can do the rest of it. Yeah, I can take the glass for you. Good. Good. Good. Good. Good. Good. Thank you. That's a good one. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. I think it's okay. We are scaling up, huh? Yeah. And Doreen is chairing. Are you chairing Doreen together? Because Ada is not there. So it's your show alone? Okay, you are helping. Very good. Should I whistle? I think we can hurt the kettle inside now. Okay. Yeah, sure. Okay. Sorry. So we need to have something over there. Yeah, you will stand here. And you will stand there. Yes. Don't go to that side. If at some point, if you don't need to move around, like you see your example, you put off the same pressing B. B. Yeah, B. You see now there's nothing. So there's no light reflecting.  And I'll be sitting there. And then if you want to put it on again, you press B. Also, it's so nice to see people from your email. We haven't met before, but you made me. Oh, okay. You usually sit together. You are the usual prospect. I've seen all of your posts. I'm much taller than all of you. Okay, go ahead. He's with the SDC. Yeah. Quite soon. Please take a seat. Okay. Okay. But pretty is there. He can't sit there. So take a seat. I'm doing nothing. I'm just sitting there. Okay. Okay. Okay. I think everybody is here now. Please take a seat if you haven't. Okay. I'm just going to go ahead. Yes, of course. Okay. As a kind of being a little bit of a hostess here, I apologize for the people that has not yet received food, but it happens that many of you actually didn't sign up in time. So that's why. And unfortunately, people who did sign up in time are the ones who did not get the food. But we have food coming in, and it will be served to these people. So apologies for that. I promise from a very start that we would be very cozy and crammed all these sessions. And I always keep my promises. So let's continue that way. Thank you, Doreen. Okay. Thank you. Thank you, Madeleine. Before we begin with session two, I see a couple of new faces. So I would like to call upon the new faces to briefly introduce themselves, which organization they work for, and where you've heard about Susanna, and how long you've known about Susanna. That would be interesting for us to know. So I see here the CEO. Good afternoon, everyone. My name is Ismael Chahier. I'm the CEO, Water Sector Trust Fund Kenya. And I think I'm not new to Susanna. So I've been here for the last three years now. So I feel like part of the family. Thank you. My name is Marc-André Bunsli, and I'm working with the Swiss Development Corporation. To the mic. To the mic. Did you hear? No. So my name is Marc-André Bunsli. I'm with SDC, the Human Aid Branch. My name is Vishwanath. I'm with the Biome Trust from Bangalore in India. Thank you. I see you didn't introduce yourself in the morning. You're targeting me. Yes. My name is Chris Tuerberg from A.L.A.G., Switzerland. Hi. My name is Michael Kopak from Tsevas and also with Susanna since the beginning. Good afternoon, everyone. I'm Chetali from WSSEC. I manage the monitoring and the evaluation portfolio. I'll be making a presentation very soon. Thanks. And I'm Rosemary Nakagwa from Uganda GIZ. Not so familiar with Susanna, but not so old again. Not so new. My name is Astrid Michaels.  And call it Working Group 3. Thank you, Cecilia. Hi, yeah. I'm Martin Gamble from the World Bank. And what were your questions? Maybe you are. I said that bit. For longer than I can remember, and I don't know how I found out. Because you're everywhere, I think. Thank you. Welcome. Hello. Oh, okay. It doesn't say... Is it on? Oh. Ah. Hello. I'm Ina from Wash United. Since when do you know Susanna? No. 40 years. Good afternoon. My name is Antoinette Goma from SNV. And I think I know Susanna from 2008 in Manila. I think. I'm not sure. Maybe... Welcome. Did you introduce anybody else who didn't get a chance to introduce themselves? But I was introduced. So my name is Iona Tertzke. I work with GTO, a German toilet organization. I know Susanna since 2015. Okay. Great. Okay. Hello, everyone. Ivan, this is my name from Uganda. I'll be making a presentation later on. And I've known Susanna for three years now. I think we have everybody. Great. So, we shall begin now. This session is focusing on scaling up sanitation. We're very excited about this session. It has quite a number of diverse countries being represented. And I'm very honored to call upon the first presenter, Stella Waruwe. Welcome. Stella is the acting manager of the Urban Investment Program at the Water Sector Trust Fund. And you are involved in scaling up the APSA program, correct? Yes. Okay. Welcome. Okay. Thank you, Doreen. Good afternoon, everyone. I'm supposed to be presenting on the update of the APSA program. But because my CEO is here, I'm not supposed actually to... I'm supposed to give him a chance to speak a little bit about the trust fund and then I'll come in for the upscaling basic sanitation. Welcome, Mr. Shai. Thank you so much. I think, Stella, this is your show. And because I'm here, I just thought that I should give the overall picture. Just like any other CEO will do in that situation. So allow me... We can go to the next. Just to present the institutional framework or the legal framework on why we are doing what we are doing and how now we can connect the dots to what Stella is going to present. How we work in our country in Kenya, for example. Last year I was here, I talked about the law Water Act 2016 that was being cooked by our parliamentarians. The food is ready. Now we are actually implementing the Water Act 2016. So how does it work? It actually provides... Divided the country into 47 counties through our constitution. It recognizes that by saying that our ministry role will only be to do policy formulation. No other business. You come to national agencies like us, now Water Sector Transfer now there. Our job is now to fund the water sector in Kenya. You have the regulator, Water Service Regulatory Board that also sets the price for all the water companies. And also Water Service Authority that they did not put here right now. It was unnecessary. The service providers down at the bottom, the consumers. This is how currently we are operating as a country. We come from the Water Act 2002 which informed the Water Act 2016. The jury is out there how we are going to perform, but for now this is what we are going to implement as a country. So let me devolve back to Water Sector Transfer Trust Fund and what we are doing with as a funding institution. So our role as a fund with a state corporation mandated to finance the water services in the country for both the underserved and the marginalized communities in the country. I always say that as a fund, Water Sector Trust Fund, that trust that you see up there, 90% of our funding comes from the donors. Hopefully that's going to change when negotiating with the government so that they can have 50-50 for sustainability. But the day we lose that trust, that trust up there, I know they didn't mean it, but the day we lose that trust, we are gone as an institution. So that is why the framework that I just discussed is very important to know how you give out money, how you follow that money, all the way up to finishing the activity. So these are Sushi Meni, WSF investment. That's why I don't call it project, it's an investment. If you're dealing with fund, it's not project anymore. Project is so abstract. But if you call it an investment, you feel like, ah, that's my money in my account. So that is why we call it investment. So in every investment here, we do both water infrastructure and sanitation and also water resource. From the water resource aspect, I mean, if you open a tap, follow the top to the top. So we make sure that we invest in all that stream. So in urban, and that's where Stella will come in to present to you UPSAP as one of the activities that we are doing is also has both water supply going to the last mile in urban areas, but also sanitation. Water resource, and we are going to change this because of the issue of climate change right now and how it's affecting the water sector. So we're looking at how we can incorporate climate change lens into our water resource. This is now where we are moving as a country, result-based financing. We have over 110 water service providers, water companies or water utilities, you will call them. If you have a good credit and you know that you can take a loan from a bank, I will give you as trust fund a subsidy. So for the first time in Africa, we gave a water company 89 million. They came up with a bankable proposal, a bankable project. We gave them the money, I think it was 89 million that they were funded by a bank. They only used 78. And when I asked the MD of the water company, how come you do not finish the whole 89 million? He said it was a loan. That tells you, that is where we need to go. As a country, I think we're going very far with it. We can see the results already and that's why we're expanding right now. We are working with the Dutch government. We are coming up with the Kenya Water Pool Fund where we are asking Kenyans to raise bonds for water and actually the government of Kenya has already put in 500 million and we can see the promise of achieving that goal. So with that, I don't want to... That's now the overall picture of a trust fund and the Kenyan government at large from the water sector. I will come back to my sushi menu, urban investment. Last year when I was here, we presented myself and Doreen. We presented about Apsap and allow me now to ask my manager who is the acting manager for Apsap to present where we are with Apsap because it is our vision 30, one of our vision 30 flagship project, Karibu Stella. Thank you so much. Thank you, Mr. CEO. I'm going to proceed with the Apsap presentation and I'm sure many of you are wondering what Apsap, especially the new people to Susanna, they are wondering what Apsap means and it means upscaling basic sanitation for the urban poor and the objective of Apsap is to improve the living conditions by offering sustainable sanitation to the residents of low income areas in Kenya who are about two, we have two thousand low income areas in Kenya. So those are the areas that we have to deal with in the Apsap program. The Apsap program is a seven year program that began in 2011 and is currently continuing until next year. We have been given 16.9 million US dollars which is coming from the gate foundation and also from the German ministry through the KFW or the German bank. It's financed through the water sector trust fund, like our CEO said we are given the money and then we work with the water services providers or the utilities to be able to implement the project. The program actually works through the having the whole sanitation value chain where we have to do the capturing of the waste, the emptying, the transportation, the treatment and the reuse of the disposal of waste. Right now we are going to show you a short video which is showing how Apsap is working. It will show you the pictures of what we are already doing as the fund and after that we'll have some questions. Kenya has a population of approximately 46 million people with an urban population of 25% and an annual urban growth of 4.2%. From this urban population, 33% still live below the poverty line. Investment in network infrastructure is failing to keep up with the growing demand in urban areas generating a large sanitation infrastructure and services deficit. Petal atreans and septic tanks are often constructed below standards. Connection rates to sewers is low therefore removal of the faecal sludge is to be done mechanically through the service of a private vacuum tanker however households in low income areas often have to resort to unregulated manual emptying. Since treatment facilities are scarce, the faecal sludge usually ends up in rivers, lakes or bushes. The constitution of Kenya 2010 lays down the framework for development of the sanitation sector which guarantee the right of every person to reasonable standards of sanitation and a clean and healthy environment. This is put into practice through a strong institutional structure where mandates and responsibilities are clearly defined. Policy formulation and regulation are addressed at a national level whereas service provision is handled by the counties through regulated water utilities called water service providers. The Water Sector Trust Fund is a state corporation which supports the water service providers by financing the development and management of water and sanitation services in the underserved areas. We have a growing population urban dwellers that has a bigger population and is growing very fast. The role that Trust Fund plays is to look at those areas and make sure that as we are growing on the other side we also don't leave behind these areas. The Water Sector Trust Fund initiated a nationwide intervention to improve access to household sanitation in low income urban areas through a program called ABSA, Ab Scaling Basic Sanitation for the Urban Poor. The program is based on a scaling up approach and covers the entire sanitation service chain from toilet to treatment. This is how the ABSA concept operates. Through effective social marketing from the water service provider, residents of low income areas are encouraged to invest in sanitation by funding the construction of their own improved toilet and septic tank. When the toilet is completed, the staff from the water utility inspects the infrastructure to ensure that it complies with the required construction standards. Once it has been approved, the owner of the toilet receives from the water utility a post construction incentive which represents approximately 50% of the construction cost. When the toilet is completed, the staff from the water utility post construction incentive which represents approximately 50% of the construction cost. When the toilet is completed, the staff from the water utility post construction incentive Okay, sorry about that. I think I'll just continue. And we are currently building the household toilets where we give the funds to the water service providers and then they identify the land loans who are supposed to build these toilets. And for the subsidy, actually the incentive we give it after they have already built the toilet. They have to show that they have built these toilets according to the standards so that we are able to give them the subsidy that meets part of the money that you're supposed to raise for the toilets. Then after that we also have the decentralized treatment facilities. This is where they're supposed to take the waste from the toilet for treatment. And currently we have 13 decentralized treatment facilities and we are hoping that you're going to upscale this country wind. The program is already country wind but we've not reached all the counties in Kenya. We have 47 counties but currently for the decentralized treatment facilities, we're only doing them in 13 counties and we are hoping that with time and also with the availability of funds we'll be able to do all the DTFs within the counties. We have also the social animators who are supposed to actually help us market the program and also talk to the land loans about the ABSAP program who are actually employed by the water services providers. Then currently the ones that are working and operational, we have seven of them out of the 13 so the other six are actually ongoing. I think that's the end of my presentation. Any question? Yes. We also have a case study that we'll be doing on Monday and on Wednesdays. Yes, thank you for the correction. We have a case study that we have and we can actually distribute. We have them at our booth that is in number 43 just near the Susana booth at the Stockholm Water Week and then we're also having a showcase where we are enravelling the Magikube which is the one that is here and we are doing this on Monday. It's 14 hours to 15.30 room NL 353. We are also having a seminar on the smart solutions in water and waste management for liveable cities, reuse, or re-entered because land management in Kenya. This will happen on Wednesday at 11 to 12.30 room FH 202. You are all welcome. I will be able to tell you more about the upscaling of the basic sanitation. Thank you. Thank you very much Stella. And concerning the little video we will try to figure it out and fix it and maybe during the break some of you who are interested can come back to the room and finish the video. So now just two questions. 400,000 people or beneficiaries by the end of 2018. Last year I seem to remember you were about 70,000. So any update on those numbers? Thank you. My question is regarding the beneficiaries. Which part of the beneficiaries are the poorest part of the populations? Because we know that for the poorest it's always difficult to pre-finance an investment. Okay maybe I can begin with those questions. The first one about the beneficiaries. At the moment we have 122,000 people who have been reached and it's going to mention that initially when we were beginning the program we had some challenges. Before it could pick up we really actually had to do a lot of marketing and right now it has actually picked up and we're hoping by the end of 2018 we have already reached the 400,000. Then about the reaching of the poor of the poor. Actually here we have a website that is called the Magidata where we were able to map all the low income areas within Kenya and we have actually used the water utilities to be able to venture in into these low income areas which are already known because they're already mapped up in Magidata and actually you can visit the Magidata to be able to see them. Thank you. Okay perfect. Thank you very much again to the Kenya team for this very interesting presentation. I think we'll just go ahead to the second presentation. We still remain in East Africa. Pritt and Ivan will be presenting to us. Ivan is the economist with the water and environmental sector liaison department of the Ministry of Water and Environment in Uganda and Pritt is an independent consultant working in the field of urban sanitation planning. I believe you all know him so I'd like to welcome you and please. Thank you. Thank you Doreen. Good afternoon everyone. Ivan and I will share this presentation partly. Just to give you a very brief understanding we have a lot of information there and it's unfortunate that time is short so I've put all the unwanted slides down so if you have any questions and I'm not able to give you a clear picture of what we are doing please get back to me after the session and I'm happy to explain more things to you. As in any other small town or the situation in Uganda is quite similar to the other East African countries we have an institutional fragmentation both at the national as well as the local level unclear mandates and weak coordination between actors local governments ministries utilities cost of toilets and especially in small towns is unreasonably high and this is what we realized you have a range of between 500 USD to 1300 and it even goes higher and there are certain reasons market and non-market barriers for this cost of toilets to be so high but I will not be discussing and not be going into details with that. Picking on Kristoff's idea on income levels what we realize is almost 60% of the population have an income range of 0.50 dollar to 1.25 dollars a day and this is a major population we are talking about. I'm not talking about bigger towns we are talking about towns which are smaller 15 range of say 10 to 50,000 that's the range we are talking and the problems and complexities are even much higher than in a larger town so this is the range of income what we are talking about in these towns. As in any other case online pits are a big big issue small towns are growing very rapidly the population growth rate is anything between 3 and 5% and the issues related to lack of land of sinking new pits and so on and so forth but also groundwater pollution. FSM market is non-existing partly because emptyable sanitation systems don't exist. I have a landscape that I have shifted down but if you want to know and have an idea about what a small town sanitation landscape looks like I can explain that later on. So the non-emptyable toilets are almost 80 to 85% of the technology that exists in a small town in Uganda. So a bit on the background of what we done it was a town sanitation planning project mostly the evolved around developing capacities of town councils it was a project by GIZ and USAID co-funded together and the whole aim was making town sanitation planning as a basis for improving coordination and prioritizing investments in small towns. We chose six small towns small to medium towns in northern Uganda and the whole idea was to get the local stakeholders the ministry involved in developing the town sanitation plan so it was not a consultant driven master plan but rather a strategic plan which was a bit more participatory and inclusive. Project started in 2014 will end in 2017 September so it's work in progress and this is what we are presenting. So the upscaling strategy we realized that the town sanitation planning as such in six towns worked quite well we had some successes we had some challenges but we tried to move ahead with that and come up with an upscaling strategy for developing town sanitation plans at a national level and obviously just making town sanitation plans is not going to help you need financing attached to that and so we split that up into two so part A is the strategy for upscaling town sanitation planning in Uganda and B is the financing. So we have very good knowledge on and piloting about the part A but part B we haven't done so far and this is still a concept phase that is still with the ministry and we're discussing different options. Part A was basically WSTF that's the Water and Sanitation Development Facility it's the implementation implementing wing of the Ministry of Water and Environment and they spearhead and institutionalize the town sanitation approach within their structure that was the first thing that we proposed. Make it mandatory to have town sanitation plans for access to investment not only in the sanitation but the water and sanitation sector so if you have a water supply scheme it has to have a sanitation component otherwise it doesn't get funded. Building internal capacities of the Ministry to Propagate the approach is what we identified and also building capacities of external agencies like town councils, local consultants, local masons, XYZ is also a part of this TSP development program. In general this is the entire process of upscaling town sanitation planning at a national level. We identified a couple of processes that are required to do so. I will not get into the details because I'm short on time but in generally we have the steering processes and the auxiliary processes as well as the core process in between. What I want to highlight is we have developed we have put it up into different phases so the first phase we wanted to develop 21 TSPs or 20. We have four regional water and sanitation development facilities each of them take five, pilot them, learn from it and then go on for the 91 and 177 in the second and third phase. Yeah as I said and after that is done we're going for the implementation of the town sanitation plans in selected towns that is more or less the approach we have. Now part B of the financing strategy. As I said there is a need to promote lined pits for safe containment and to support fecal sludge management in small towns. 70% of the population in urban areas need financial support to improve the situation and obviously the need for subsidy comes in because of low income income groups that exist. And to complete the entire sanitation change we also require funding for emptying and fecal sludge management facilities. Now just looking at the households our idea around the whole financing bit was the household builds just the superstructure part of it or either self-financed or if possible via loans. The superstructure can vary according to their affordability so we identified three different types of superstructures that could go for and the cost will vary between USD 100 and 250 which is at an interest rate of 2% per month they will take three years to repay that loan for the superstructure. And they would work closely with MFIs and SACOs. SACOs is an organization that provides loans, small loans for sanitation and other agricultural products in Uganda. And what we realized that we wanted a state subsidy for the substructure to make the containment as a contained system underneath. The next slide shows more or less what I mean. So if that is the toilet, the pitlet ream, the one below is actually the substructure that is subsidized by the state that's 1.5 million Uganda shillings. And the top of it is the superstructure. You have three different designs and that would vary according to the affordability of the households. So this is more or less our basic principle behind it. Strategy for pit emptying and pit emptying services and sludge drying bed. We are thinking of a clustered approach because the economies of scale are not there in small towns. So if you consider a range of say 50 to 60 kilometers you can have, the idea is to have one frequent sludge management system for a cluster of five to six towns. And the entire cost of this comes to around USD 250,000 including three cesspool trucks and a 2.6 acre land for the sludge drying bed. The capex of course has to be funded by the ministry and donors and if you consider the entire chain, USD 60 is the cost per capita to have a functioning frequent sludge management system just cutting across the superstructure of the toilet. So this is the figure that we come across USD 60. What it basically means is we work with six towns and if you consider the cost of the toilet including the capex for emptying as well as treatment, the entire amount for 60,000 people comes to USD 3.5 million for 60,000 people. Now this is a fraction of what we spend on sewer systems and in general this is what we realized that with just 3.5 million dollars we could hit 60,000 people with proper functioning FSM. I won't go into the details, I see Doreen is making big eyes at me but this is generally the entire strategy put in a nutshell in a diagram. This is the town sanitation plan that more or less defines the boundaries and different actions and coordination mechanisms that we need. This is the sanitation chain. We look at MFIs and SACOs to provide 70 percent subsidy and 30 percent loan for the superstructure which is then provided to the private enterprise under a sanitation marketing campaign. They build the toilets. The superstructure is repaid 30 percent of the loan by the households and the entire service after that is actually based on a fee and this is of course given down to as a grant for the emptying as well as the treatment system. I'm sorry I can't go into the details now but the presentations are there and you can ask me more questions if you want to later on. I will just this is the last slide one slide for Ivan and then we are done. The operational cost expenditures we realized that currently the private sector charges USD 12 for emptying services annually. So if you have an emptying cycle of five years that becomes 60 dollars for a household which is quite high for a low income household. What we realized is if you combine the emptying and treatment systems together and a state run the cost will come down to USD six dollars not five so it's half the price yeah it becomes half the price and this is the operational expenditures for running the treatment system for small towns considering a population of 60,000 with four or five towns together. Of course we have challenges and weaknesses and I would like Ivan to okay thank you very much Pete. Good afternoon ladies and gentlemen once again. Like Pete said it all but what we've realized from the approach that we have quite a number of challenges to start with we are saying the strategy does not consider financial consideration for software intervention and this is supposed to rely only on local government support this. Earlier on like Pete was explaining our institutional structure we have the national and the local government level or whatever. So we are saying that the financial consideration for software to complete the sanitation chain we need to have we were relying on only the local governments and whereby we are not very assured of the financial power for them to continue with what we plan so we may have a gap there after developing the infrastructure then the software might be lacking. Our second challenge we're clearly noting is that excuse me the approaches for targeting subsidies to the deserving population is to be as established as yet. What we are saying is that the government is still in the process of figuring out how best can we subsidize. The approach is clear that the households have to pre-finance either by loans and what a certain percentage but when we get into the subsidy we are looking so much at the financial strength on how to empower the whole subsidization of the th