So the lecture that I just gave was talking about bringing elite level Olympic athletes back to a higher level of competition. What we found out is that in the past when athletes would have a really bad knee injury with meniscus tears and several ligaments torn, it was basically career ending. And we've done a lot of research here at the institute to try to look at ways to have better ways to reconstruct the meniscus and the torn ligaments. And now what we're doing is implementing that and these high level athletes. And it's validating that our research is good because we're getting a lot of high level athletes back with really bad injuries to full competition and competing in the Olympics within a year of their injury. It's an interesting question because one of my best friends is Lars Engelbrets and he's head of the whole program for the Olympics. So I've been aware of it from the day that he started his new job in Lucene. So it's something I've always had a goal to be involved with that. And part of the recruitment here for me eight years ago was to try to make us a designated Olympics training center for research. So it's something that I always wanted to do. And part of it is to be able to continue to look at prevention and not only just prevention, but also treating these high level athletes to get them back to full competition. So it's something that I was aware of many years ago from its inception up until now. And I'm very proud of the fact that we're able to be an IOC designated research center because it shows that and validates that the high level of quality of work that we do is worthwhile. And what we found out is that athletes that specialize sooner rather than later have a higher rate of injury, have a higher rate of burnout and don't achieve the same levels. So athletes that participate in multiple sports ultimately end up being high level athletes at the end. I think it's because you can get burned out and if you're just working in one particular area, you're going to have overuse injuries and overuse injuries is a big problem. If you have an overuse injury when you're 12 or 13 years old, there's a very high likelihood you're never going to get to an elite status because your body's breaking down. So if you spread it out and play multiple sports, then there's a much lower chance that you're going to have problems with having overuse injuries. And then your dexterity and your speed and your endurance are going to benefit from doing other things and ultimately when you do specialize at a much later age, there's a less chance that you will have those breakdowns or mental breakdowns that will prevent you from being an elite level athlete. Well, the number one injury that causes problems in taking somebody out of a career is knee injuries and that's what I specialize in. So I don't know if we can prevent these injuries, but the level that I'm looking at is preventing the re-injury. So with an ACL reconstruction, if you miss two or three things that you think are minor and you don't fix them, that may cause the athlete to have another re-tear of their ACL and that definitely eliminates their ability to be an elite athlete. So I think part of it is learning how to address all the injuries, treating them at once, and then making sure you get them back to full activities. And that's how I look at prevention in my world of knee surgery because I have a very high rate of patients that are sent to me by other physicians or that have failed surgeries and we have a very successful outcomes with those injuries and part of it is just recognizing and treating the whole spectrum of injuries and not just looking at an ACL or a meniscus, looking at everything together. The way I was recruited away from my previous job was they promised to build me a lab and buy me a robot. So it's something that I've brought into my practice on a regular basis. When I used to work with knees I'd have medical students and they'd stay for 12-hour shifts and try to do the same thing over and over again testing a knee. Well, the robot is a very good medical student because it does the same thing to within 0.1 millimeters consistently all the time. So we've developed several new surgeries based on the robot and also looking at when you have five or six ligaments torn, which one do you tighten first? Does it make a difference or not? What position do you want to tighten the graft in? How much tension do you want to put in the graft? And that's what we've done and we've actually won several international and national awards for our research using the robot and figuring out better ways to do surgery.


Tremendous and recording. Beautiful. Hi, this is Debbie Daschinger and welcome to Dare to Dream. Today on the show, I'm featuring Magenta Pixie. She's a best-selling author, a coach, and the channel for the white-winged collective consciousness of nine. We'll refer to them later in the show when she comes on as the nines. And Magenta will be talking about the matrix memory triggers for ascension and so much more. So stay with us. This show, Dare to Dream with Debbie Daschinger, won the COV Award for Best Radio and Podcast Show. Welp Magazine named Dare to Dream one of the top 20 best podcasts to listen to this year. It's high-ranking self-improvement on Apple Podcasts and nominated for two People's Choice Podcast Awards and for a Webby Award. This show is sponsored by Dr. Dane here in Access Consciousness. They do energy work out into the world. So if you'd like to become a facilitator or take a class, go to drdanehere.com or accessconsciousness.com. I'm Debbie. I am a book writing coach. I am a media visibility expert. I teach spiritual messengers how to take the inception, the idea of their book and take it to finished and published. I also have a book that takes your book to a guaranteed international bestseller. Excuse me, it's a service that I run, not a book, but four books, a service for books that takes your book to a guaranteed international bestseller status and I do all the heavy lifting, nothing for you to do. Finally, I show spiritual messengers, spiritual entrepreneurs how to be interviewed on radio and podcast and get massive results. I actually have a free webinar coming up very soon. So if you would like to attend, go to debbydashinger.com slash gift. It's D-E-B-B-I-D-A-C-H-I-N-G-E-R dot com slash gift and join and you will get gifts there, including the free webinar. So you can learn how to be interviewed yourself and get massive results. So today my guest is Magenta Pixie, a channel for the higher dimensional divine intelligence known as the white winged collective consciousness of nine. The transmissions that Magenta receives from the nine have reached thousands of people worldwide through the extensive video collection on her YouTube channel. Magenta has been communicating with the nine, a sixth dimensional nomadic light structure for over 24 years. She's written many books. Her first book, Master of the Matrix, won the best spirituality books of all time and best consciousness books of all time book awards. Magenta works globally as an intuitive consultant and holistic life coach. She lives in the New Forest UK with her partner, her son, one dog and two cats and to learn more go to her website, which is her name, magentapixie.com. And with that, I welcome the amazing Magenta to dare to dream. So great to have you. Thank you so much, Debbie. It's lovely to be here and I want to thank you for inviting me to talk with you today. Why do they call it the New Forest instead of New Forest England? Well, you can say New Forest, but in England, often places do have a the in front of them. If it's a forest, I think in America, you put the inflection on a different word. So if you were looking at the New Forest, you'd probably say New Forest. Like when it's New Year, you say Happy New Year. But we in England would say New Forest. So we would say the New Forest and like New Year. We would say Happy New Year. It's it's strange, isn't it? That is so cool. I love trivia like that. And that's so true. I have a client who lives in Germany and she lives in the Black Forest. Yes. And the Black Forest, I've been there when I was much younger. My parents love it there. Very, very different kind of forest to the one here. But yes, it's we know that as the Black Forest. Yeah. Oh, OK. Thank you for explaining that. So your path, did your path start magenta when you read about channeling and you committed to learning to channel, or was there some of the reference point that occurred that got you where you are today? Wow, that's such a fantastic question. And it's really difficult to pinpoint where your path actually starts because really it's starting right from birth and all these things that happen in childhood, but consciously. I was in a bit of a situation myself personally. And I think you get to the point where you turn to something outside of you, you know, like help me with me, actually, in that moment, it was my brother. I'd found myself in a situation where I was becoming psychic and I could hear what other people were thinking, but it was not controlled. It was not focused. I would hear six or seven people thinking at the same time rather than focusing on one. I didn't understand how to use all of this. And I remember getting very, very down and frightened and overwhelmed. And my brother, whilst that wasn't necessarily happening to him, he'd been studying spirituality and psychic awareness for, well, since he was a teenager, unbeknownst to me because it's something he'd kept private. And I remember sitting outside of this this pub, which would be a bar in America, just sitting on the curb on what you would perhaps call the sidewalk with my feet in the road. And my brother had just done a gig. You know, he was a singer. They'd just been singing with his band and somebody saw me sitting in the road with my head in my hands because I'd just come from this party where I'd been sensing all these people thinking about 15 people. I could hear everything they were thinking and all the thoughts. And I could see things that had happened in their past. It was just it was like turning a radio or a television on and having 15 channels all broadcasting at the same time.  It was it was and I hadn't asked for this, not consciously, anyway. So someone went in and said, your sister sat outside in the road with her head in her hand. So he finished the gig and he came out and sat next to me in the road. And we just started talking and I he said, you know, what's wrong? And I said, you wouldn't understand if I told you. He said, try me. So I just blurted it all out. And that's when he said something is trying to communicate with you. You're being activated into a calling into a pathway. I'm thinking, how does my little brother know all this? So he gave me all these instructions as to what to do. And I really listened to him and I went home and I sat there on the end of the bed and I said, look, if there is something out there genuinely trying to get through to me or talk to me, or if there's something I'm supposed to do, then, you know, I'm open to that. Come on in and talk to me. So it was that sort of surrender, that innocence, that connection that you just just open yourself to that without any agenda, just come in and be I'm here. I'm open, I'm awake. So I would say that is when my path started, but that was the very beginning of the conscious. But even then, I didn't understand what I was doing by asking for them to come in. So there were other awakenings. And you're right. It was when I went into a conscious awareness of channeling that would also be seen as an awakening, if you will. And how that happened was I had seen a medium work in the spiritualist church. Absolutely fascinated. First time I'd ever seen a medium work, I was blown away. And I remember thinking, I'm going to do something like that, but it's not going to be the same. It's going to be something different. My brother was with me and I remember saying, I'm going to do something like that, but different. I'm going to be a medium for other mediums. And I remember thinking, why would a medium want a medium when they're a medium themselves? That doesn't make sense. So I didn't understand it. And then a few days later, I went to a shop, a bookshop. And this happens to so many people on the path where a book is just hanging out of the bookshelf. And just as you're walking towards the bookshelf, it falls on the floor. And it was a little book. I'm sure it's happened to so many people. It was a little book called channeling. And I was fascinated. And I thought, well, that's not the same as mediumship. This is something different. So maybe I just knew this was the thing I was supposed to do. And it was a series of meditations that you would go through in order to meet your spirit guide, which I believed at the time was a spiritual guide, which, of course, it is. But I didn't understand the multi-dimensionality of all of this at that time. So I went into a conscious process of meeting my spirit guide, which I eventually did after several mishaps and experiences. I eventually did meet my guide, which was one being white spirit who told me he was fifth dimensional. And then I was with him. This was in 1993. And I was with him right through to the year 2000 when he then upgraded, he kind of left. And another group consciousness came in or he transformed himself into that group consciousness. However, you want to see it. So that's when the nine came in. They came in as one white wing being at first. They then morphed into nine. And then they told me they were sixth dimensional. And then after working with them for some time, months, probably, I asked them if there was another form that they had beyond this white winged angelic form. And then they showed me more of a non physical, as in they weren't physical, but a non body, a oneness, a unity that still held intelligence and consciousness rather than having a form or a body. So that was the sort of upgrade of that connection, which spanned years. So to answer your question, it was 1993. And they're the beginning points. What an amazing journey. And I just am amazed that, you know, that's an exceptional moment.  Very difficult moment that could have gone a lot of different ways. But the fact, I mean, there are no accidents that your little brother had been reading up and learning about this. I just think he was meant to be your guide for sure, maybe in many ways in your life, but certainly in that moment, because that was critical and that he was able to point you to information and instructions that actually brought this out and facilitated the beginning of your journey in such a beautiful way. So bravo to the brother. Is he still very involved in psychic and reading spiritual kind of things? Well, yes, it's all correct what you said, actually. Because, excuse me, after that, there were a series of synchronicities. We ended up after many signs, magical signs, things just happening. We ended up living together in a little flat, what you would call an apartment in America. So he was very much my guide for six months that we were living together at that point and going through this entire experience with me. So when I first started when I first started channeling, he was there with me to experience everything. And I was very ungrounded and kind of lost with this and he would ground me. He would be the one that would bring me back down. I'd say, oh, you know, he's here. He's talking to me and I can feel him. I can feel him in my heart and I would just I'm so dramatic. And I'd be and he would say, OK, just relax. I'd listen to everything he told me. And it's really strange because prior to that point, we had not got on that well as brother and sister. We had grown up with this, you know, love, hate relationship and we would fight and argue. I now know I've known him in many past lives. I mean, many, many past lives. And that all came out through the experience of us working. In fact, at that time, I was told he was my spiritual working partner for that time and that I was his and that we were going through a rehearsal for a time when we would actually live this for real. So we went through these multiple synchronicities on a daily basis, incredibly intense. And then I was told that this was like a rehearsal for what I now know is the ascension process, which is what everyone is going through. Everyone awake. So is he like that now? Yes, very much so. But he likes to be at the moment, anonymous and in the background. He is incredibly talented. I mean, he's a singer, so he's able to bring forward the most powerful, amazing light codes through his voice, through chanting, and he is incredibly psychic. And whenever I pick up anything I'm not sure about, I do turn to him still and say, I've just picked something up. What do you think? And it will be that he picked it up the day before or he'll tune in at the time. In fact, when we were talking about the the way to, if you will, shield yourself from everything going on since 2020 and chemical things that were being put out into the human into humanity, I remember talking to him and we were asking, I wonder if there's some kind of shield, some kind of antidote and we looked at one another, which is what we used to do all those years ago in 93, we look into one another's eyes and pick up something simultaneously. And I remember looking into his eyes and at the same time, I said black flame and he said black egg. I said, right. So this is like confirmation. We will get something at the same time, like simultaneously, black flame, black egg.  So he was taught this black egg to put himself in this. And I was taught the black flame, which I have shared with the people that follow my material. But my brother, I keep asking him, I keep saying, let me interview you.  But he hasn't so far. But I'm sure there will be a time when he will be called to speak because the star seeds are, you know, so he kind of works when people are in his vicinity and he they need him. So someone might say something like, I wonder how I might be able to deal with this, and then he will come in with some help. So he is working spiritually, but he doesn't at this point want to be out there in front of people, I don't think. But I'm fingers crossed that he might one day. Yeah. Yeah, I have so much resonance with what you're talking about. On the one hand, I have visibility, but I have been also a lot in the background, mostly as a coach, you know, for these media things. But I am having opportunities come to me with zero doing nothing, saying, come speak on this stage on really big stages. And I just intuitively understand.  So there's import in that. And then there's the piece where when I've spoken on stage, it's always been about books and interviews. Now, because of what I'm stepping into my life and owning, I know it is time for me to start speaking from the perspective of healer of spiritual person of, you know, what I know. And so it's a beautiful opportunity. It's a very uncomfortable opportunity. But I continue to say yes and know that I have everything for it. And another piece of what you said when you said about this this sort of wonky feeling, this a little bit ungrounded, I'm in Shaman school right now. It's a six month theory intensive program. And I would say I'm an incredibly grounded, very earthbound person, like I'm fully embodied. And I have found that as I'm doing these practices, I have a morning practice I do and I have things that I exchange with other people or sessions that I give people very, very healing you know, extractions and soul retrievals and all of this. And I am finding a quality that you're describing of a little bit spacey and I've never felt that before. You know, maybe I've had an off day, but this is like something I'm witnessing going on. And and it's very interesting. I'm making sure to put my feet in the grass. That's that's like the only thing I know to do. Absolutely. And that's that's very common. And you can feel spacey and ungrounded with it. And when I say ungrounded, I mean with me, it was things like something would would occur or the white spirit would say something to me, I would come to realisation and awareness. And my reaction would be, oh, wow. Oh, my goodness, like this kind of stuff. You know, that's what I mean by out by ungrounded, because you can't go for. I mean, it's it's it's something that occurs in the early days of awakening, but you can't go forward like that long term.   Oh, my goodness, it's blowing my mind. I mean, you just can't do that. But the spacey thing you can ground yourself and still have that. Now, what this could be is what I call the altered state of consciousness. It's like a spacey feeling. And that very much is the expansion of the mind, the balancing between the left hemisphere and the right hemisphere of the brain as you are going into this expansive state. One thing the nine have taught me is this very this is very similar to hypnosis, but while you are awake. So if you're aware of hypnosis and you're aware of somnambulism, the very deep state you go into similar, perhaps to a state someone would go into if they were doing something like Q H H T like Dolores Cannon taught that kind of thing. Then that is something that you do while you are awake. Your brain remembers that that that experience it's going through, whether it's, you know, Delta or the theater or the nine call this beyond the theater. The brain remembers this. And at first you you go into this state in dream time or in meditation or in hypnosis or some other trance, yoga, nidra, perhaps. But eventually you're able to move into that state when you are fully awake, you could be walking around the supermarket buying your food and you can go into that state. And that doesn't mean you're ungrounded. That means you're moving into this expansive state where you are. If you will, if you want to say the word channeling, it's like you are in the state of channeling at that point, but it's different for everyone. Some people, when they channel will go into a persona and they will close their eyes and make sort of, you know, funny signals with their hands and sounds and things and then have a new voice come through. That's just the way that they align with that frequency. Other people, which is more like me, will channel and be yourself at the same time. So you can be you as Debbie and you can be you as Debbie's guidance, but you can be you as Debbie and your guidance rolled into one, which is ultimately the goal here, because we are in a unified state with our guidance. So we get to the point where the guidance is us and we are them. So I get to the point where I'm magenta and the nine and the nine and magenta and we are one and that's the balance. And all that is is a brainwave state as the right and left hemispheres of the brain expand more and more and more into this. These these brainwave states that haven't even been categorised by science, which is why the nine say beyond the theta, because they haven't even been given names yet as far as I'm aware. Maybe gamma. I mean, I'm not a neuroscientist, but I know that the brain is able to do these things that science haven't caught up with yet in mainstream. So. Oh, my gosh. Thank you so much for that explanation. It puts in a very beautiful spin on what I'm talking about. And what I heard when you said that is that it's a state of receptivity. Absolutely. Yes. And that for me is a heck, yes. You know, that is beautiful. It's also there's a very peaceful quality in the spaciness, but thank you for that. I'm going to take that. That's not for you being ungrounded when you have that peaceful state, because if you're ungrounded, you can be sometimes fearful, but sometimes over excited, sometimes in a state of over the top disbelief. But a peaceful state is the receptivity. So that you're not ungrounded when you feel that. And you can trigger it by looking at one another. So when you can pass this state to other people, so I can open up that state within me and I can look into your eyes. Yeah. And I can catch your heart. And we can we can share. Feelings with one another. That's something we can do with other humans. So we can do this with one another as well as with the higher guidance. So that was a nice moment. Thank you. I appreciate that. I know you're not channeling today. And instead, can you respond to any of the upcoming questions with help of your guidance system from you or describe what you're being shown as we navigate this beautiful conversation? Yeah, I mean, I wouldn't say I'm not channeling. It's very much what I said. It's like a unification between me and the nine. So, you know, when I channel all you see is Magenta Pixie, but sometimes that's me, sometimes that's fully the nine, and sometimes that's both of us. I don't have a specific change, although there are sensitive individuals that can tell when I make that shift. But yes, absolutely. I mean, ask away. Great. Well, you mentioned magic earlier and that's something I have a lot of curiosity about sex magic a lot. And it started years and years ago when I read a Tom Kenyon book. It was actually about Magdalene called the Magdalene manuscripts and sex magic was described in there and the Isis the Temple of Isis and etc. It just something happened when I read all that some kind of intimate knowing and I have since been just like hungry, I think, for more about it. And what do you know about it? Can we utilize sex magic to work with karma and to move through the ascension right now? Yes, absolutely. And in my book, Lessons from a Living Lemuria, the nine and I'm channeling the nine as I'm writing that book, they talk about this. They talk about the utilization of sex magic and how you can utilize that because the sensuality of self is the higher energy. It is the Kundalini. It is the unification here. Us gammas between the sacred masculine and the divine feminine.  And I mean, energetically, as you unify the masculine and the feminine within you and move into that unity, that creative force, it can be on your own literally, physically as well, using the physical body. It can be in a partnership. You don't have to be a heterosexual. You can be homosexual. It doesn't matter. The it's the energetics that count. But let's just say, you know, let's say it's a man and a woman. Then together, they can you if they're both aware spiritually, this is going to happen naturally. They don't need to be sat down and taught this, although they can be if they want to. But if the male is energetically aware and open and connected and so is the female, then when they are intimate with one another, this will create an energy that they will be able to sense and feel and send to one another and utilize. And they that remains with them sometimes for hours afterwards.  When it comes to karma, it's really about being able to see the balance within every action and all the reactions that come in with that. It's about thinking, OK, I'm going to make a decision and you don't have to any more make a decision and then live the reality and reap the karma, if you will. You can go into that energy and play that out in the imagination space and dream time in meditation. So you can play all the decisions out first and look at all the the repercussions and the karmic energies and then choose how to go into something. And eventually you learn to do that quite rapidly. In the moment, you can actually move into a place where people might know this as instant karma, where you make a decision, but you already know what the repercussion of that energetic decision will be because you are absolutely in the moment and walking the blueprint, walking on those node points of convergences with the universal flow. So, yes, absolutely, it can be utilized. And this is one thing that has been kept from humanity, kept from the people, you know, people are made to think, oh, that's wrong and that's bad. And, you know, you don't talk about that and it's something you do in private. And it is the way that we expand our fields. Well, one way we can do this in completely celibate ways and transcendent ways as well. Sex magic is very powerful and you can be in a relationship and utilize that or not that everybody can do this. So my book Lessons from a Living Lemuria has a whole piece on sex magic. Oh, you're muted, Debbie. Sorry. In your book, do you have specifics about how a couple can enter into that? Or is there a way, you know, that somebody can do that? I assume that Tantra is not the way to get to sex magic, that sex magic is something completely different. And I've taken some classes and done some practices. I just want to preface it with that. But I have this desire. I think when I finished Shaman School to just fully emerge into something like that, really exploring that. Well, your energy actually is aligned with that. Actually, you've got a very divine feminine energy and very aligned with that. I can see that. Yes, in the book, the nine talk about this and they give examples, but they don't go deeply into perhaps a specific intimacy. They talk about light, how this is raising light, liquid light and how we can understand how to raise that light through the physical body. So Tantra, yes, that is kind of sex magic. It's one pathway. If you want to go study Tantra, you can. If you want to go to a workshop where someone is teaching twin flame, karma sutra dynamics or whatever they want to call it.  This will happen naturally and it will be unique and individual to each couple. But there are many things that can help. For example, yoga and urythmi that I think that was Rudolf Steiner that came up with that and Tai Chi, anything that allows flow in the body. And then certain foods can also trigger those energy flows as well. Certain super foods you might put in your smoothies and there's lots of things that you can do to create that energy within you and to work. And if you want to work with your partner, you can sit down and talk to your partner before you enter into an intimacy and say, right, I would like to work magic with you and you can plan it all out and talk about it. Or you can just let it happen naturally. Also, I will say that there can be an asleep partner and an awake partner. And whilst that's not gonna have the powerful dynamics of two awake partners, the awake individual can still raise these energies through intimacy with an asleep partner as well. It's not gonna be the same, but it can be done. If you're awake and you are able to work with energy and open the heart, you will find a way to be able to change that energy from this divine purity or drawing this down into a sensuality. How the nine teach me about this is very much, let's say the divine purity, the flow of spirituality would be the heaven realms, the higher realms, the white clouds, the unicorns, the angels with white wings. And then you can go down into the other polarity into the dark forest where it's nighttime and there are trees and there's moonlight and there are shapes within the leaves and elemental beings. There are ways that you can change your energy by using these images as a focus within you and the nine teach that as well. And then there are deities or goddess presentations as well. For example, there's, you mentioned Magdalene, that would be one of the goddess energies, of course. And then there's Kali, who can be the light, the wise Kali who nurtures the baby within the womb. That's why she's the dark forest. Or there can be dark Kali, which is a distortion of the divine feminine, which many women go through.  That's the dark Kali, the unawakened female before she flourishes into Kali or Magdalene, Sophia, the divine princess Aurora, all of these archetypes and then there are male archetypes as well. And really this is unique to you as well because everyone has their own model. So it's not really about a teaching, you pick up the book of Tantra and read it. But ultimately that is a trigger or a foundational focus for you to allow your own model to come to you, which is what I see you doing actually. It's more about rather than you learning it, it's more about you finding that receptive state and letting this unique presentation of that ancient energy to come through you so that it's Debbie's model, Debbie's teaching within this field. And I see it around you already now, it's there. So. Thank you so much. I really received that and I feel like you just gave me so much to work with. And I'm gonna absolutely invite that in every day, frankly, and including when I do engage in intimacy, that feels so amazing and easy. Well, it's the, it's the creational force. I mean, you know, you come together, you can create a physical creation, a baby, or you can use that energy to create whatever you want to create, whether that's books, artwork, music, channeling, whatever it may be, you are utilizing creative energy and that's what source does. The source frequency is a continuous pulse of, well, the ultimate source frequency is a stillness, so what a oneness. But outside of that absolute source point, you have a pulse coming out from that, like solar flares from the sun, it's the same kind of thing. It's a creational, powerful force, dance between the male and the female, the masculine, the feminine. What does it mean to transmute one's DNA from carbon-based to crystalline within the context of spiritual enlightenment and physiological evolution? So that would be to, it's awakening, really, but this is working with the DNA. So you are transmuting the DNA makeup that we have as a human that is not awakened. So someone who doesn't balance the male, the masculine aspect of the brain and the feminine aspect of the brain, the left and the right hemisphere are in a state of cut-offness or shut-offness where everything is dormant and we have the double helix, the standard human DNA, which is the human DNA. It's the standard human DNA, which is carbon-based, carbon-based molecular structure. As you awaken to everything we have just been saying, this expanded energy, the merge within the divine feminine and the sacred masculine, the sex magic, the understanding of these different frequencies, the channeling, this affects the DNA at a physiological level and the DNA begins to change formation. So that allowing that receptivity, you said it's a receptive state, it's a peaceful state. So that is the state of the change, the transformation between carbon-based and crystalline-based. Crystalline-based meaning the light as in silica or silicon, but it isn't silicon that we know in a 3D level. It is crystalline light, it's plasma light, it's the light that is generated forth from source energy, from the galactic core, the morphogenetic field, which is a kinetic plasma or fire within the antimatter of the cosmos that holds the memories of everything that's ever happened, everything that is happening now and everything that will and could ever happen throughout all timelines, all alternate universes and all quantum realities. That kinetic fire, that plasma fire, eternal flame, dragon's breath, there are so many names for it, that is what is within us within the DNA, that is the crystalline. So we do this at a cellular level, it becomes physiological. If scientists were to look at the DNA of these awakened individuals, the instruments that scientists have don't see the etheric because that's not physical. So you have etheric DNA strands that are connecting within these awakened people, but there is something, there is some kind of change, but they won't understand what it is. They don't have the tools yet. So just like they don't have the tools to measure these brainwave states, they don't have the tools to look at these activations within the DNA, although the nine tell me that some scientists somewhere in the world, I believe it is likely Russia actually, where they do have something more advanced than the rest of the world where they can see, they're able to see potential quantum aspects to DNA, but that's not something that's been made mainstream. So that's what that means. It's an actual physiological transformation from the carbon-based double helix into this crystalline-based triple helix beyond the triple helix, and then the nine say infinite helix because this is when all the quantum filaments come online. But now how that feels to us outside of this expansive energy and receptivity that you were talking about is memory coming back online. It's an accumulation of memory. And like I was saying at the beginning, when I could hear 15 people's thoughts all at the same time, I didn't have the capacity to hold that within me at that time, I didn't have the activation. Now I would know to shut that off and only concentrate on one or none or whatever. But if I wanted to open to 15 or 20 people and see all their energies simultaneously, I would be able to do that now because I'm able to work with the quantum energy. I'm not sure how many, maybe only three or four or five possibly, maybe not 20, but I don't really go out and try it. But what I mean is you have multiple alternate aspects of self, you are not just one person. So there's not just one Debbie, there are many Debbie's and you can work with all of the Debbie's simultaneously and that's the crystalline DNA. That's the memory. And we only say memory because we think of it as something that has happened in the past, as in I remember when I was source, I remember when there was only me, I remember creating reality, but this is happening now. So it isn't really truthfully memory. Memory is just a word for us to understand what it is. What it is, is a unification with an infinite source that's occurring right now. It's being able to be at one with that unification and be at one with multiple simultaneous aspects of self at the same time. And that's also known as omnipresence or omnipotent, which is where we're going with this crystalline transformation, but we do go in stages within a linear journey. There are some individuals that go into this before others, but we still look at this linearly. And if you want to look at the collective, as in the majority of awakened people and where they are right now, then the nine would say they're around about the fifth strand, which is a key code trigger, if you will, or a key to open portals into the fifth dimension, which is this dimension of love and unity. So all of these things are metaphors really to explain something that there are no words to explain. We choose the best words we can to explain these processes. And obviously this information comes to me from the nine, but other people may pick up this exact same information and use different words, use different models to explain what this is. So that's what that means. And when you speak about memory recall as actually being unification, is there also a tie in right now for us connecting to memory recall with Atlantis, with Lemuria, with those experiences and related to right now? 100% there is, that is pivotal right now because obviously if you look at the quantum universal structure, then Atlantis is another time period of humanity, just like Lemuria and civilizations previous to that, that is a time period that exists now in the quantum structure. But we see this as the past, as in Atlantis is the past. Lemuria is the past and is before that. And we can measure this out in a linear sense. We have to do this to make sense of what this all means, what these transformational times and these changes in cosmic energy and galactic energy, we have to work out what this means. So we use a linear framework. The nine say to me, Atlantis is as much our past as our future, Lemuria is as much our past as our future because we're in a sine wave like this. So we are, well, actually it's a spiral. That's how it moves. But if we're looking at it sideways on, we're moving into a quantum memory and down into the 3D experience and back into a quantum memory. So if you put a sine wave like this on its side and then twirl it a bit, it becomes a spiral. So it's a continuation, a pattern that is creation itself. And Atlantis, we learn from our memories from Atlantis. So if you hear someone say, oh, I was a priestess in Atlantis and I did this and I did that and I was guarding crystals and I helped this and that to happen, then number one, that could absolutely be a memory of something that literally happened to that person. But when you've got many, many, many women all with the same memories, often this is a collective metaphor that is a trigger into simply knowing about these time periods, these epochs, these transitionary phases that the planets go through. And it acts as a catalyst for us to find out the truth about the reality we're in. When we look out of our window and we see planets and stars and the moon and the sun, what are they? Why are they there? Why do we feel so connected to them? So it's about time, it's about space and all of these memories are catalysts and triggers into this multidimensional and eventually the ability to have omnipresent knowing which is becoming the creator aspect, becoming the God source self. But yes, Atlantis is pivotal right now, Lemuria is pivotal right now and the periods prior to that, which may have multiple different names are also pivotal because we're learning about the non-physical aspect of what this planet, if you look at this planet as a spherical being, what was the non-physical aspect like? How did we become physical? And where are we going? Are we leaving the non-physical and going back to this light? Well, the answer is yes, because this is a continuation of repeating cycle, multiple cycles and repeating spirals. So Atlantis, Lemuria and prior is very pivotal for now because we are in planetary end times or planetary completion. So all our memories come back from when we have gone through these cycles before. And can we travel through other dimensions with the activation of our Merkaba or some people call it a Merkaba, one or the other? Yes, absolutely. So this is like advanced astral travel. We're able to do this in the mind. We can do this while we're fully awake. We can do this while we're asleep in dream time, in meditation, yoga, nidra, hypnosis. We can use all sorts of states to activate that aspect. And it is very much the non-physical, higher dimensional, fifth dimensional self, which is the Merkaba that we are using. So we're going back to our true form, which is the presentations of mathematic frequency, which is geometry, but we are not or really at the collective level at fifth strand, we are not at the level where we are able to transport the physical body through space and time. But that does come later down the line within evolution as a soul keeps the physical body and then moves forward into more of this crystalline DNA activation. I mean, when you get to, this is again a metaphor, 12th strand completion, which is a metaphor, then that's when you are able to master the physical body as well and move the physical body through dimensions. But that isn't where we are on a linear level yet, but the answer is yes, we absolutely can do that. And that can happen spontaneously and it can happen through training and through dedication and spiritual discipline as well. Yummy. Magenda, you've said that the significant codex of information can be downloaded in us. Can you talk about dragon, Excalibur, crystalline, light geometry, Atlantis, Emerald Flame? How can those be downloaded in us? So these are memory triggers, if you will. They are coded within each human, every human that's born into 3D. There are, it's like an alphabet coded within the DNA of that individual. That is lying dormant as a package. When someone begins to awaken and open up to these expansive energies, they unlock this package within. And this can come in many forms. It can be music that comes to that person. It can be artwork and visuals. It can be sound that's not necessarily music but more like a language. It can be a chanting. It can be all sorts of things. But also it can be images that are cosmically known by all of humanity. So for example, if you take the tarot deck, each tarot card is a flame letter, if you will, within the DNA and is known at the DNA level, but outside of tarot, there are other models. And the whole story of Camelot, King Arthur, Queen Winnevere, Excalibur, moving Excalibur from the stone, what the sword Excalibur actually is, the flame, the eternal flame, the dragon, the dragon moving through the star gate, the dragon moving through dimensions, the dragon breathing fire and creating the ring of fire. All of those things are memory triggers and deep metaphors that are multi-layered.  Right from childhood. Yeah. And so, yeah, absolutely. Any fantasy fiction film on the big screen that's got dragons in, they're like, I have to watch this. So, and anything, again, King Arthur, Camelot, Excalibur, some people with unicorns, the film like Avatar with the Avatar beings living in the forest, living in nature, these are all memory triggers and presented in different ways because, A, they can allow us to remember actual physical, literal experiences that we lived in a linear sense in other lifetimes, but also they can be quantum alternate lifetimes that we could have lived, but we didn't in this consciousness and they're also multi-layered metaphors. So like Excalibur, the sword of truth. As you hold high the sword, you are holding up an emblem of sovereignty and warrior ship and truth and all of these things and the nine call them flame letters. And there are some that are very powerful because all star seeds have them and some of them are words rather than pictures like ascension itself, the word ascension, crystalline and one really powerful one is remember. When you say remember, remember because every star seed has come in with that word remember because it's so important to remember and there will be star seeds that remember being born and I'm one of them, I remember this being born and having the memories wiped as you're incarnating and desperately trying to hold on to them and all that you retain from that is the word remember, remember I must remember, but you're not sure what you're supposed to remember but if you know you're supposed to remember something then you're going to be looking for it. So when I say star seeds, I mean there's so many ways of looking at this. People say, isn't everyone a star seed? Potentially yes, every human being has this lying dormant but we're looking at a presentation prior to incarnation which again is just memory really, this is the higher presentation that's with us now but if we look at it in a linear sense prior to there are some individuals destined or programmed or blueprinted to wake up and there are those that are destined and blueprinted to not wake up but again that's metaphor. When you're in the moment with the higher self everyone can have the chance to make that connection but there are those that don't and there are those that make decisions in their lives that do the opposite, they actually shut that down and that's all part of their journey and the reason why that's part of their journey is because for those who are awake they are going to be blueprinted and programmed to want to take as many souls with them as possible into this awakening, well of course because that creates more of the reverberations and strength than an expansion of that energy but we have to learn to allow free will to others and that includes allowing others to not wake up to not know the truth and to not go through ascension even though all souls came here to do that but if the soul makes choices in their life that's leading them to not do that we have to learn to allow them to do that but be ready for the slightest possible change in them where they might possibly be open to some kind of awareness and then we can come in without overstepping their free will and help them to awaken in that one area so there's the collective way of looking at all of us as humans and what we are to one another but ultimately there is the individual perspective because from the higher perspective there's only one soul in incarnation there's only one of us in this reality from the oneness from the unity perspective Very true, very, very true and I like so much how you put that because rather than being something of separation it's filled with acceptance for all the choices exactly in perfection Exactly, yes and when you were, oh boy, I resonate with the dragon I love dragons and I don't know why so often in movies they're depicted as these terrible creatures because to me they're magical God, I'd love to meet a dragon but yeah, I see them as mystical and magical and just beyond how they can fly through the sky and even the fire of protection that's how I see it, of protection and boundaries and all of that but yeah, I don't think they should always be depicted as these terrible creatures that should be killed at some point in the storyline and what do you resonate with of all the things that you named where is your resonance? The same very much with dragons and I have been for many years an Excalibur as well very much like the majority of star seeds and winged elementals the Fairy and the Pixie which is why I chose the name Pixie I mean, when I was thinking of my name it was a YouTube username actually that I was thinking of at the time so I chose Magenta because of the color that the divine feminine color of source being that magenta pink and Fairy because I'm so fairy-like and I have such a connection with that and so I thought Magenta Fairy I thought, oh, that doesn't sound very good just didn't resonate and then I thought, well, hold on the next closest is a Pixie I thought Magenta Pixie that goes and I was a Pixie when I went to Brownies when I was about seven and I grew up reading Enie Blighton as well with the fairies and the Pixies there would be the wishing chair with the little Pixie on the back of the chair that the children went off to all these different adventures all these different lands I mean, Enie Blighton's stories kind of kept me awake within that fantasy way of thinking I don't think I ever really shut down from that since birth I do remember I turned away from it around teenage years but I don't think I ever really shut down so yeah, dragons and anything within that fantasy realm magic, telepathy, telepathic children when I saw Escape to which mountain that was out when I was about I don't know, five or six or seven I can't remember what age these telepathic children Tony and Tia I mean, I was just sat there with my eyes open and I was having those triggered memories back then as a child because I knew and they were off to they were extraterrestrial children they were going to a UFO, I think and I remember just feeling deep down inside that this is real but you try and talk to the adults around you oh, it's just a story it's just fantasy and but I knew I knew that there was more I always knew so anything like that I've resonated with since childhood but dragons very much hmm, beautiful what are the latest messages messages from the sixth density to the third regarding consciousness raising and the dimensional shift that's now taking place well, I'll have to update that bio actually because the nine recently I think it was a few months ago told me that they are pretty much into seventh density now so they're kind of seventh density rather than sixth or certainly in the transition of so I should talk about that more but lots of information about this year and I've spoken before a lot about the bifurcation and I'm sure you know what that means this split between people who are asleep and people who are very much awake and the chasm between those individuals getting more and more and more until it looks as though we have two worlds that you've got the people going along with the narrative totally asleep totally following the crowd and the awakened individuals awakening more and more and more into this expansion and so it gets to the point where that it's very difficult to have a crossover or a communication with the people that are on the other side of that bifurcation when that gets to the chasm where it's almost to the point where you're saying to yourself I can't talk to these people anymore I can't mix with people who are asleep I just can't function with them when it's got at critical mass level at that point, at that thought then we're entering into a triification which is a third part of this split which is a bridge between the two so you have the awakened individuals going through this expansion you have those that are asleep that are digging their heels in and refuse to shift out of that pattern and then there's this bridge between the two individuals who will be able to have a foot in both worlds and somehow help in some way and this will be physical it will be emotional, mental and spiritual within that bridge and then there are different messages for each of these different aspects of the bifurcation and the triification so what's actually happening here within this bifurcation these two extreme differences you have some people that not only are they digging their heels in and wanting to not awaken and be angry with those who have awakened because they all look crazy trying to bring them back down to reality but then there are individuals that have gone through an awakening but that are not coping with that awakening they are finding that they're seeing the control structure more than they're seeing this freedom and light and liberty so you have people getting very down really struggling with their spiritual path very depressed and so you have the healers on this awakened side working more now than they ever have and the cool very much is healers be ready because you can't force someone to come to a healer of whatever kind that may be but the people that are asleep to all this are still struggling with not being helped within mainstream orthodox medicine or orthodox counselling and psychiatric help and so they're looking for some other way to help themselves and they're coming into the awakened aspect of the bifurcation while they're asleep and so you've got these healers that have got to work with I've got to help this person who's completely asleep doesn't want to wake up does not believe in anything holistic but they're still here with me so you've got healers are being given a huge range of new challenges and then you've got other individuals that are coming for rapid healing rapid awakening moving into activation really bringing in that crystalline light 2023 is this movement from this bifurcation and seeing the first signs of this trifurcation as we move forward and you've got people on one side that are going through the best times of their life they're in a state of bliss they're always in the sunshine they always have joy in their hearts they're dealing with all of the dark side of reality they're integrating it very quickly and they are healing themselves on multiple levels really really going through that ascension process that crystalline transformation in a beautiful way and then you have all these other individuals that are struggling with it and those that are refusing to go with it then that's kind of 2023 in a nutshell and on top of that you have another group of individuals trying to shut the awakening down and putting out misinformation and presenting it as absolute truth and then taking absolute truth and turning it around and calling it misinformation and that not working with these awakened individuals and the more that they try to do it the more truth comes out the more the misinformation is shown it's a really amazing pattern of multiple levels of awakening for 2023 and it's a very quantum we have entered a quantum phase when it comes to the awakening process and that's what I see for the rest of this year and into next year all sorts going on on multiple levels every agenda every truth that's been hidden everything is coming out in its real truth and the sort of fake truth that's being presented as well there's like a fake or distorted side an inverted side to everything that's coming out and it's just all we're really entering into this time period now right now we started really with these eclipses and this comet that did this fly by at the beginning of the year the eclipses now the summer solstice is going to be incredibly powerful a really, really high vibrational time and it's about purging as well and releasing everything that no longer serves you on all levels physical level releasing toxins physically mentally, emotionally, spiritually a real purging because the more you purge the more you can bring in this light and these memories, these aspects of self so that's kind of what's happening and sometimes that's flowing beautifully and other times it can be very overwhelming and it can almost appear like it's breaking down it's major integration within this quantum presentation of ascension in humanity for the rest of this year yeah Wow that was some truth right there without a doubt and I saw at the beginning of COVID everybody I knew who was a healer you couldn't even get on their schedule their friends of mine right and colleagues and they became so busy and still are because these are the people we're looking to to help us through this time and when I have had somebody who is a healer come to me and it's very rare but it's happened twice and these people are struggling financially I'm like, there's something in your space that's off because that is impossible right now I know this, I'm witnessing it and if either you're not great at what you do calling it like it is or there is just some kind of real poverty issue that needs to be dealt with in your space because every other healer I know they are doing so well in helping so many people and I love that we're living in this age where those are our doctors and our priests if you will these priestesses these are the people we are looking to to help usher us in and up level us and heal all the bullshit we don't need to carry around anymore and bring in all the qualities that's part of my morning practice I mean, it's a really deep morning practice but one of the many things I do is I ask for the fire to burn off anything that doesn't serve me and to fortify with fire everything that is in me even if it's latent to come forth right now and I ask for the water element to do the same and the wind element and spirit and animals and all sorts of elements to assist me in this time with this because I feel for me that's the only way is just to release, release, release sometimes into the earth and then to pull up from the earth and all the other elements those pieces that are mine and to be that and that's perfect and everything you've just said is 100% correct that's exactly how it is and all the processes you are going through working with these elemental forces all of those things are so beautiful it's creating so much light within you and releasing everything so that your life can go on this synchronistic path and when it comes to the healers it's true if there is a block there then they either need to shift and change the method that they're using or there is something that's stopping them in that abundant flow and you I can see have a great knack when you say call it like it is that is the sort of feminine power that you're not afraid to say it like it is and women have not been able to do that for so long so many years and now it really is the time for women to be able to really bring forward the divine feminine which isn't just about the nurturing and the motherly side and the healing and the loving it is being able to call something out that isn't working and that will help people as well and they will respect you more and you have that balance I can see that and it's wonderful and I hope I have that too because I try very hard to find that balance that I didn't have in the early days of awakening and white spirit and the nine taught me and with the help of my brother and other people in my life to temper that fire that was all over the place and bring it down into something that I would then be able to control in a peaceful way so yeah that's really beautiful and everything you just said is spot on and these healers are amazing honestly they are literally amazing and there are so many of them working behind the scenes they don't want to be known they don't want fame they just stay back and they watch and when they're called they do their work and some of them are so powerful and just wonderful and it's the same with grid workers and people working with the planetary system the galactics the earth many many many souls that do not want to be and do not have to be in their mission in front of the cameras in the spotlight talking that's not their path and they are so powerful and when a psychic individual can see them then we honour them and let them know that they're seen and I've always seen them there right from when I first you know decided or was told to go public with everything I knew I was slightly afraid and then I was shown the team the nine showed me they said see how many there are of you and I'm like wow so I know those people are out there and there's just millions and it's unbelievable and it's far more than the other sort of other side of this this whole bifurcation if you will the other side of the light the opposite of the light it's far more than they realised so they underestimated that star seed movement if you will it's fabulous yes indeed and you know I was working with a client yesterday and one of the particular things she was taking through that she wanted to release in her life was this inability to speak up and I think that's the good girl syndrome and a lot of us have experienced this and so she was living with that but at the same time having experiences that were very debilitating with really controlling gaslighting much like you spoke about what's going on in the world today with people who won't step into the truth but they're essentially gaslighting they're taking the truth they're bastardising it spinning it and putting it back out as though you're crazy right and it's comical on some level but it's also a little mind blowing and so she was living through some of those dynamics with men and in particular and so when we completed the healing you know one of the things I felt very compassionate about letting her know because she was coming out in a whole new state was to say you know with great love and care that it's okay because actually you're embodying the collective that's my feeling is that this has been a feminine collective that we have chosen and allowed ourselves to live under this inability to speak up and of course how we speak potency absolutely clarity and then there I believe there needs to be and I don't know exactly the word if it's gentility but there's a way to communicate with great love but great clarity to somebody and so I just wanted her to know and I'm saying this you know for the every man every woman listening right now that it has been a collective so when we're healing ourselves to find our voice and our place we're also healing the collective that is our you know drop our pebble into the pond and our contribution and it's okay as you're finding your voice as you get there I support you I support you to get there absolutely so true and I actually like to when I meet someone who's quite shy and doesn't want to speak publicly I like to be able to help that person to come into finding their voice because I think if you've been constantly told what you're saying is wrong or it doesn't make sense or shut up and be quiet and speak when you're spoken to and all of this and it's coming in from past life memory as well when especially women have been suppressed in that area you can actually if you're waking up psychically spiritually you can actually hear those voices in your mind and think I mustn't speak up and if you try to you can hear whether it's your father, uncle, teacher boyfriend, husband or you know a female whoever it is you can hear them in your mind saying you're not good enough to speak what you say isn't good enough and this is the education system does that to you as well the school system so we're all breaking free from that there are people who are the opposite like me I was more talking too much say you know interrupting people speaking when I'm not spoken to and doing it all the time and having to learn the opposite having to learn to pull that back learn to be silent learn to listen learn not to speak that was my journey and that's very indigo so indigos will have come in with their voice from day one and it's more of a crystal energy and this is just one way of explaining these individuals in a frequency sense the crystal individuals are quieter and have like perhaps a little bit of a the held back throat chakra and they have to learn to bring the voice forward and speak but that's the journey everyone's going through right now and that other side that the opposite to the light are trying to stop those voices silence those voices the indigo team if you will the more an indigo is silenced the more they will speak the more they're told to be quiet the louder they will talk and they've been like it since childhood they've been like it since childhood and they've come in in droves we couldn't do this without the indigo team because they will not have it and the more they're told lies the more they will blast the truth at you I mean they just won't be told what to do that's the indigo and then the crystal individuals are the healers they're tempering that with more of a softness and acceptance and a love and they're learning to come up and they're taking their lead from the indigos and thinking wow they're speaking out and I agree with what they're saying I can't say it myself but I agree with them hey why don't I learn to say it myself and the crystals are a great example for the indigos who can be too forceful too strong too shouty you see lots of the truth there's you know that people will call anti this and anti that and creating some kind of aggressive speech well these are these are indigos that haven't quite come into the balance and when they look at the crystal souls they can learn to step back at times and then when that happens when the indigos balance and the crystals come out with the binding of the voice I mean you literally have this this amazing profound warriors of light across the world that's what's happening in this sort of three year cycle I would say 2023, 2024, 2025 we're really going to see this by 2026 I feel and I know that seems a long time but I feel by 2026 we will see this balance really showing itself in what we know is the alternative movement the holistic movement because the alternative movement is coming into equal balance with the mainstream and then taking it over in all fields the mainstream is losing this they either have to change and mirror and really it's about truth and misinformation that's what it's about it's about identity and showing true identity and that's another big one for 2023 is identity and people having to prove who they are online and outside of online and in the real world prove who you are and so they create all these issues and flood the internet and flood reality with situations that might confuse people and they don't know who you are and I'm talking about technology and AI and copycats and all these people trying to clone your accounts and there's an agenda behind the majority of that that's a big thing this year but this true truth warrior indigo reality that group of people when they balance themselves they will be showing what is true they will find a way people say to me what are we going to do about all this identity stuff what happens if we've got to show ID cards and make videos of ourselves and give voice software and I don't want to buy into all of this this indigo collective with the help of the crystals at their side these warrior awakened individuals they will find a way across the world to get around this to work with it to integrate through it nothing is going to stop the ascension process it's impossible, it's impossible. That was so amazing what you just shared I'm reverberating I really got a lot out of that and you put it in a way magenta you absolutely describe me in this scene I do I can see that is you yeah I can see and it's me as well I didn't know that though so it's such a You didn't know you were an indigo? No, not at all and this the more you try to shut me up yeah it's like oh this is such a trigger for me like it's also a childhood wound not being heard and seen and then you know compelate it with whatever else is inside of me but yeah like I must speak my feelings my truth and the more somebody yeah and the interruption sometimes I'm really very mindful of it and it doesn't happen a lot it doesn't happen a lot just in certain situations where somebody goes on and on and on and is like I must speak the truth yes but that was beautiful all of that was such a sound bite a sound buffet I loved it so we're at the end and I'm not happy about that because I do this with you for so long you really delivered so much and I thank you for that this was extraordinary the place for people who want to work with you tell us magenta pixie.com what else how can people work with you find you get your books everything so actually I know you read out my bio at the beginning which was lovely but I don't do 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Hi everyone and thank you for joining us at the British Library online. I'm Leslie Downer. We're here to find out all about Japanese textile design books and their exquisite patterns. And we'll start with a wonderful film by Hamish Todd. Hamish is the head of East Asian collections here at the British Library and has been since 2010. He read Japanese at Cambridge and went to Japan in the early days of the jet scheme, as did I. He then lived and worked in Japan for several years as an English teacher and translator for Suntory, I gather. He joined the British Library in 1986 and has dedicated his career to curating, researching and developing the library's rich Japanese collections, making them accessible to as wide an audience as possible. He knows a huge amount about Japan and all things Japanese and he also blogs on the British Library's website, so do follow his fascinating blogs. So today he's going to share some of his knowledge about the wonderful pattern books in the British Library's collection. As you've heard, this project actually began as an exhibition, which was then prematurely closed down by lockdown. And so it's now to be a permanent online exhibition, all the more exciting that we can bring it back to life again. So first of all, it's really wonderful to see these books right here in front of me. They're marvelous, beautiful kind of colour illustrations. I'm very fortunate to be able to touch them, goodness, and the kind of intricacy of the painting. One thing this makes me think of straight away is, I think you said something about this being to do with fashion. But of course, here in the West, as you know, fashion is all to do with the cut of a garment and how it's put together. So how can these pattern books be to do with fashion? I mean, that's a very interesting point. I think it's worth bearing in mind that in Japan, the aesthetic was not about fitting items to the contour of the body. It was about the fabric. It was about the painting. It was about the design, the colours. So it was a completely different way of looking at what was fashion. The actual shape of the garments didn't change that quickly, certainly not as quickly as they do in the West. So really, I mean, we think of a kimono as something to wear, but to some extent it was, or maybe to quite a large extent, it was seen as a canvas almost, wasn't it, where the artist could paint? Yes, it was giving a whole range of messages to the viewer and from the wearer. There's that marvellous story that Saikaku writes about Kauru the courtesan who had this glorious piece of satin, I think, and she got artists to paint on it, then she got poets to write poetry on it, and then she thought, this is way too beautiful to hang on the wall. This has to be a kimono. So it's like the idea that hanging something on the wall is quite boring, but if you actually make it into something you can wear, then it goes from being a kind of two-dimensional flat thing to being, you know, a three-dimensional work of art, basically. I mean, that's part of the issue. I was explaining that kimono are normally displayed in that T-shape, so that you can see the whole pattern across the back. But it was worn, so it was intended to be worn, and movement and sound is all part of the aesthetic of the kimono, that wonderful noise that people make when they move along in a kimono. So in terms of the artists, was it as prestigious or more prestigious to be a designer of pattern books as to do, for example, woodblock prints? I mean, did people like Hokusai do these pattern books? It's interesting because we have to bear in mind these people were trying to earn a living, so I think that they would turn their hand to whatever was on offer. I don't think there was any shame in producing these pattern books when caught upon. Yeah, I mean, I got the impression that actually pattern books were, at one point, prestigious, and that people could make their name perhaps by doing pattern books. I think Morinobu did pattern books, didn't he? I gather. He did. He did a lot of pattern books, and various other artists, like Tsukinobu and people, but the trouble is that in many cases we don't actually know who the artist was. I want to ask whether there were also women artists, like Hokusai's daughter, but I suppose... There may well have been, but if we don't have the names, we don't know the gender, so speculation. Can you tell us a little bit more about the British Library's Japan collection? Are there lots more of these books besides the ones that you've shown us? There are, and I'm very pleased to say that we're still acquiring pattern books. It's part of the collection we're expanding, but they're within the context of Japanese language holdings of about 80,000 to 90,000 volumes, which cover manuscripts, printed books from the very beginnings of printing in Japan in the 8th century right the way through to the modern period. I must confess that to me the most interesting and perhaps important part of the collection are the pre-modern books, such as we see here today, and that's the thing that really interests me, but it is a living collection and we try to support contemporary research in a whole range of fields, given the budget that we have. So were these books much used? Are they well handled volumes? Well, I mean, I don't know if the camera can pick this up, but this one in the front, you can certainly see along the corners, people with rather grubby fingers have been using them. So as far as I know, in the Edo period, there were certain fabrics that, for example, only the women of the Shogun's castle could wear. There were certain fabrics that were only allowed to the women of the Imperial Palace, and there were lots of fabrics that, for example, towns women couldn't wear. So garments were kind of controlled by the Sumterly Law system. Is that reflected in the pattern books? That's a very good point. I mean, yes, there was an effort to control conspicuous consumption through these Sumterly Laws, which was mainly about hiding the discrepancies in wealth, that the merchant class who were actually in the traditional system, the lowest ranking part of society, had the most money, so that the government tried to control the appearance of wealth. But I think it's probably safe to say that people found ways around these laws. And, you know, you could have maybe an undergarment that had some of these forbidden fabrics. People were endlessly creative, I'm sure. So what about Onagata? What about the male actors of women's roles? I wonder if there were particular designs that they would have gone for? I think they would definitely have been among the leaders of a fashionable society and the sort of styles maybe that people admired on the stage, but whether they would actually want to dress like one in real life, I'm not so sure. I certainly don't know of any of our pattern books which are specifically designed for that. But Onagata, you know, they were almost a form of behaviour that people aspired to, women aspired to. You know, they learnt from Onagata how a lady was supposed to behave. So, yeah, very influential figures in many aspects of Japanese culture. Do put in your questions, if anybody has a question, do send them in and I shall pass them on to Hamish. So what about the consumers? For example, if you were an ordinary person, you could buy one of these pattern books and you could look at the kind of designs that a courtesan might wear. So it would be a little bit maybe like Vogue, do you think? Yeah, I think there are lots of different uses for these. As I said in the film, some of them are obviously practical in nature. They would have been taken by the Kimono merchant to his high-ranking clients. It wouldn't be expected to come to the shop, obviously. And they could go through and have a discussion and choose a design or a fabric in discussion with the Kimono merchant. Other people would go to the shop, flick through and maybe find something. Other people might, as you say, just like a fashion magazine today, enjoy looking at the pictures without ever intending or having the means to have a kimono made up. So I wonder how much they cost. I mean, do we have any idea at all or do we not know? I mean, were they cheap like Vogue or were they collector's items? It depends what you buy. Nowadays, for instance, you can go into a department store or look on a website and you can get a kimono for a couple of hundred pounds, but it'll be made out of an inferior fabric. Whereas if you go to the higher end, you're talking tens of thousands of pounds, if not more. I think the sky's the limit really. What about the books? I wonder how much they would cost. The books are not quite so expensive. It's vulgar to discuss money. We are still being able to acquire them even with our modest means, so you can pick up some of these quite cheaply. What about if you were a merchant's wife? That's what I meant. Oh, back in the day? Yeah, back in the day. We don't really have much evidence as to how much these cost. Again, some of them, these early ones were particularly intended that we know about were actually in shops and used by the merchants themselves rather than sold to the mass market. So you have the books there so that merchants can sell their wares, there so that merchants can advertise their wares, also there so that people designing kimonos maybe could get ideas? Will that be another story? That's absolutely true. Yes, and that goes for the Zuancho later as well. That was very specifically one of the reasons for creating those. You had these designs which anybody producing arts and crafts, including textiles, could use. It's quite difficult to match up a design with an actual kimono and say that was based on that. You can match themes perhaps, but not specific designs. What about the process once? I've gone into the shop and I've had a look at this kimono book and I've said, okay, I'd like this one. Is this part of your kind of knowledge of what would happen then? To be honest, no. No, right. One could imagine, presumably the merchant would then take that design to a dyer or an embroiderer and then who would then put it onto the silk and then it would all be stitched together. You could also make adjustments to the design, couldn't you? I don't like this particular bit of it. Could I please change it? I think it's probably worth saying you probably have a lot more knowledge about the actual wearing of kimono and the processes than I do from your experience. Yeah, we were going to talk about geisha a bit. Yes, that's true. Talking about the different sorts of kimono, the different sorts of people wear, I remember being in Kyoto and seeing Michael, the trainee geisha with their enormously lavish kimono with the long furisore, the long sleeves and then geisha who wear very modest kimono and then the Tayu who are the courtesans. There are still women who dress as Tayu. I think there were six or there were six at last counting who wear very, very spectacular kimono. The concept of kimono as being one thing, one kind of undiffering object seems to be completely wrong. I do wonder whether ordinary people would be able to get a pattern book with pictures of a Tayu's kimono. I wonder whether they'd be able to see that or would that be like seeing a Versace gown or something? Would it be like when you can see the fashionable clothes at London's Fashion Week but you wouldn't actually want to wear those crazy clothes yourself? Exactly. And we're talking about books here but of course you also have okioe prints, single sheet prints which had actors and courtesans depicted in them and they were comparatively cheap and people could buy one and put it on their wall or look at it. So that's the purpose isn't it in a way that if you can't afford to go to the pleasure quarters or if you can't afford to buy a fabulous kimono then you can get a picture of it instead. You said that kimono books kind of disappear or rather sorry pattern books disappear around what the 1920s. I wonder if is there any reason why they kind of fade away? Well I think it goes with perhaps the decline in the wearing of kimono as an everyday object. I think we see that men certainly during the Meiji period started to wear western clothes quite early on. I think perhaps in one of the pictures that we saw in the film you can see a train going through and if you look carefully in the background there are some men in kimono but with a bowler hat and it's a sign of the transition. Obviously for women the kimono was worn much longer but as I said in the film it gradually turns into not being an everyday garment but something for special occasions. So how do you think people would buy a kimono today? Was that again outside your field? Well you can look on the internet you can see things. You can go into a department store and there will be a range of kimono there but there are also high end specialist kimono shops where you would go and it would probably be a very similar consultation process to what we saw in the Edo period. But you'd need to be quite confident to do that I think, to know what you were about and to have the resources. What I learnt when I was living among geisha was that the geisha seemed to seem to require something like 36 kimonos a year. I mean people would also be buying new kimonos. I mean the budget you'd need as a geisha would be rather enormous because you have a different fabric each month which obviously fits the seasons. So that's 12 kimonos but then you need three different ones. You need one that you're wearing at the party one that is off at the cleaners and one in case somebody spills their drink on your kimono and you have to rush out and change it. The figure I had was something like five or ten thousand pounds for each kimono. So you need to have somebody that's funding you. A very rich patron. And presumably in the days of the courtesans if you didn't have a very rich patron there was very very little chance of ever paying back that debt that you initially had. But life as a geisha is obviously somewhat different today than it was in the past. I wonder whether, this is again just speculating I wonder whether geisha used pattern books. I don't know. I don't know. You've lived amongst, I was wondering whether you'd come across that. I never came across, no I never did. I never did. I think this is quite a kind of an unusual side of Japanese culture that hopefully for this exhibition it's become more kind of prevalent now. Hopefully lots of people are watching us at this minute and will discover the wonderful world of pattern books. I mean that's what I hope. I think they're fascinating. We've, with the help of the Great Britain-Susaka Foundation we've digitised these. They're online on our website. I think the link will be on your screens at the end of the film. And you can come and see the real objects. If you have a British library readers ticket you're very welcome to come in and look at them, study them, be inspired by them, go away and make your own kimono patterns. Who knows? Well I've certainly learnt a lot about Japan and kimono and fashion through learning all about these wonderful pattern books. I love the way it's so practical. It brings us close to how commerce operated and how real people really lived. Thank you very much. My absolute pleasure. And thank you very much everyone for joining us this evening and wishing you a lovely evening here from the British Library.