Okay, hi everyone. Welcome. Thank you for joining in again. Yeah, I have David Huffmeister here with me today.  Yeah, it's great to be back on this renowned show, Out of the Blue Conspiracy. Yeah, thank you. Because David is only really here for this week and then he will continue on with his spontaneous traveling in Mexico, then drop down to Australia for 10 days, Melbourne, and then Sydney. So then later on, actually, David and I both will be in Australia later this year for the first ever Crossing Miracle Conference in Melbourne on the last weekend of October. But before that, we'll be going through China and Japan for the very first time and China for the, I guess, the sixth time? Fifth or sixth? Yeah. In Japan, we were in the airport but that doesn't count. There we say, no, that doesn't count. You've got to get out of the airport. Don't even consider that. And we'll probably come from Europe. I would imagine that there'll be something going on to be another round the world tour kind of. Yeah, yeah. Because I guess I just also want to put the word out there that we all just feel such a strong call in Europe and it feels very likely that I will be in Europe this June and very open to join and to do some talks while I'm there. So let me know if you feel you want to connect in any way. And David would probably join a little later in the summer. We're also looking for center in Europe to be able to have a community that is happening more longer term in Europe, hopefully after this fall. Yeah, yeah. We're putting the word out. We've had some great experiences over there before in Alizena, Spain and some amazing long four and six week retreats in Mallorca. Yeah. Near Palma the last time we weren't too far outside of Palma. So we're just putting the word out to our friends that it would be great to have a base over there and see how it goes. But there's a lot of dear friends over there and we know there's a very strong call and lots and lots of invitations. So that might be good for us to kind of go through the invitations folder just to see because over the years I've had a lot of people contact me from England and all around so we can refresh those and see the call is still there. Yeah, it does feel like it's all the divine timing and divine calling and orchestration because it feels like Europe has just kept calling, calling us back every year. I think even for me it's probably the fourth consecutive year to go there every single summer for a period of time and for David it might be, I don't know, how many years you've been keep going back a year. I think around end of 2004 or 2005 was probably the first time I went over there. Yeah. So it's probably going on 12 years. Yeah. So it just feels like when the call is there and the spirit is just so eager to meet it in any way that is available because I was reading it yesterday talking about how much you want salvation and it says in the course that the eagerness of the Holy Spirit to give it to you is so intense that he can't wait and yet he will wait in patience. It's like you imagine the eagerness the Holy Spirit has to give it to you like this word intense. Yeah. Please, are you ready? Yeah. Let me give it to you. Yeah. I can feel that too. Like just, you know, when there's like this tinkle and spark to go somewhere it's just so eager and just so intense that he wanted to go and give and have this body used for communication because I feel like David has been allowed his body to be used in this way in the last 30 years just to go wherever that is called and because I was reading, I was telling him and I was reading this, not reading, I was watching this clip from a Sufi master and he was saying that in his spiritual journey and maybe in a lot of people's spiritual journey a teacher is really essential and the way that the teacher works with the student is the student needs to surrender to the teacher to such extent that you let go of all your pride you let go of nothing in front of your teacher you become a dust, you become nothing in front of your teacher and you give everything to the teacher as if you're giving everything to God then the teacher pulls you through, pulls you through pulls you through to whatever ego pride and attachment and preference and blocks and then the audience, one of the person from the audience asked him, how do I find my teacher and he said really it is up to the teacher to find the students so when the students are ready somehow the teacher will be informed at some level and he would just go out and he will meet the students and normally the students are really clueless having no idea that this is the teacher or this is my path or this is what it takes and yet the teacher would know and not necessarily knowing it consciously but the vibration or the teacher would just be there for you like always calling you and calling you and I just feel like what an honor because I feel even for me to even be able to have this opportunity to be up close with you and really truly watch and live with a mistake and watching someone traveling through time and space and talking in such a down to earth normal way and yet the mind is not, you can feel the mind is not in time and space, not hooked into anything not attached to anything, not believing anything and yet everything that pours out is so practical and it's purely out of love purely out of respect and purely out of just eagerness to help I just feel like I don't know how even to put in words my gratitude and the honor that I feel to actually be able to meet you and be able to just be in your presence and be pulled through to whatever that the ego wants to hold back and I really feel actually everybody here in the community feels exactly the same way I do yeah, eagerness is bubbling through all of us now and I think it's, you know, you start to realize that all I give is given to myself and the teaching and learning are the same and Jesus says there's no one who a teacher of God cannot teach because there's no one a teacher of God cannot learn from that teaching and learning is, we use those words but it's like a mechanism of conversion or transformation of mind coming back into the alignment with spirit and then whatever a brother gains whatever a sister gains is a gain for yourself so it's like people talk about win, win, win it's just gain, gain, gain everybody's being lifted together and no one is lifted apart and there is no lifting if it's not everyone lifted so the miracle is a sign of perfect equality which is just a reflection of perfect oneness and so there has been that eagerness I think at first, you know, it was a little strange to be going out on the road and meeting new people and that was maybe the students were showing up when I began traveling and I didn't know there was a lot more there was just droves and droves of encounters I would have but it still feels that same glee you know, to hit the road and go out and shine and share and have invitations and yeah, it just seems like it just goes on and on and it is a state of mind so it's not like there's not a sense of needing to travel or at first, I mean, when it first began I did feel like impelled to travel but there's never been like a sense of need with it it's just been like eagerness and glee and so it's fun and now it feels like we've gone around the world and done these things many times and it's just very spontaneous it's just where there's a strong invitation we're just sounding the trumpet just saying Jesus is calling us all out of the world out of the thinking of the world it's not really calling a body necessarily to be anywhere or whatever but it's to be called completely out of those thoughts that are concerned for the future or having any kind of regret about the past that way of thinking is just not our inheritance at all even talking about a center or a community that isn't really even the goal because if we ask ourselves why do anything there isn't really any goal informed to say this is our goal because whenever we have a goal actually it is inevitable that we started to defend this goal and we started to defend against all the other possibilities that we're not aware of because there's this desire to almost feel I know this is the best outcome and I know this is what I want this I know mine kick in then the defense kick in and it doesn't really matter even whether the goal is achieved the energy is just not open there's no openness anymore to the spirit and spirit cannot enter so really for us it's just feel this desire to be guided and to yield to I guess the will of God and the present guidance we talked about this morning there is no way we can have a long term plan because it's always the present guidance that take priority to even I want this I feel called to do this I feel attracted to maybe doing this but you know we can express when this kind of thoughts come out but eventually what we're called to do and I feel that is truly the only way to go to where God is to yield to every single calling or guidance in the present moment and that is at the same time a relinquish against whatever the ego is telling us where we want and who we are and it's like again and again and again and then to actually experience that is our joy and really there is no separate will it's not even that I will be done it's that I will and my will are one and thank God for letting me taste that yeah that's where the contentment is it's almost like there is a formula in this world it's like almost an unspoken formula of like want or desire and then strive and then get and then possess and then want some more and the cycle just goes round and round and actually that cycle doesn't take your mind anywhere it just like it binds the mind into sleep that cycle it's almost unspoken it's just not talked about people will say in their common dialogue at the time what do you want and what are you going to do to get it and work at it or strive at it you know we're taught to work hard and strive at it and to get it and to possess it and then it's still there's an emptiness Jesus says even what you get you know the ego will pull from your grasp from your hands and basically he's talking in the attainment of the real world that there is an alternative that the Holy Spirit will provide everything that you need for as long as you need it but the Holy Spirit would not have you linger in time so it's almost the reverse of all of that cycle is more that you come to this place of stillness and contentment and you leave the wanting any wanting it's okay to have once still come up and everything but you leave that to the Holy Spirit and in that sense you say Holy Spirit you provide the symbols the images the means whatever needs to come into awareness because from you they will come safely they won't come with any agendas with any attachments or any kind of grab or need or clutching you know they'll come very lightly and under the Holy Spirit's teaching you will travel light and journey lightly that sounds good you know ultimately he does tell us that the Son of God is no traveler in time and space so even traveling is just a metaphor but within that metaphor travel lightly and journey lightly is travel lightly within inside deeper within towards the light and that's very very comforting it's very very comforting so I feel just very honored and I feel like even these last couple days has been witnesses of such a buzz and swirl as lots of inspirations keep flooding in as far as just opportunities to extend I guess it's the best way to put it and some friends down in Sayulita, Mexico just offered the use of their house I think Kirsten and Ricky are going to go over there maybe next weekend and do a gathering and things just keep coming in that's basically how it's gone all along you know spontaneous invitation come here come there has been mostly in living rooms and basements and backyards and you know very simple symbols of backdrops of joining to come together and rejoice together with no concern of numbers how many people or you know the things that the world sees as so important you know those things are just a backdrop and you know I remember we were in New York I see Bridget there and Bridget was drawn out to the garden so she went out and just was in a mystical experience out there among the trees and among the flowers and plants and meanwhile for others they were inside and there was lots of healing going on lots of mirroring that was going on and that continues as well but we're all drawn deeper toward the love and toward the light and for that we can be grateful I feel like you know we truly can live in a state of just witnessing the miracles every day because that is truly I feel like we witness every day here even talking about Europe I had this thought yesterday and then just in the middle of one day 24 hours there are just already a lot happening and even a potential place for the center is already presented so it's like wow we haven't even looked yet so it's like that kind of speed and the beauty is that you know when we really truly relinquish the result or the investment in any outcome then it's really you know there is no effort because we're not making anything happen we're not preventing anything from happening and becomes just like a channel to allow to truly yield and allow any outcome to be presented in front of us and every moment is just dedicated to forgiveness you know watching whatever that is coming up not holding back really share our ideas and share our thoughts and trust that it is worthy to be shared it is worthy to our ideas need to be shared and it is worthy to be presented then we let the chips fall wherever they may yeah it's a lovely way to live just to follow your heart and let the inspiration carry you and then let all the chips just fall wherever they may and not really be concerned about where the chips are falling even that's the fun part, that's the freedom freedom from outcomes because the world of perception as I was saying on some earlier shows you know it was just put there to distract us to keep our focus be on the images and be on the make believe and to be on fiction and at some point you know when you get into your internal guidance you get tuned into your intuition to the spirit that becomes so profound and so powerful that the body's eyes still seem to see and the body's ears still seem to hear and pick up sounds and noises but it's as if you've just relegated them all into a category of not giving importance because your messages you're going to receive from within from inner listening you're not going to be interpreting you're not going to be trying to find meaning and get meaning from the world of images you're just going to be inner directed and it's possible to be 100% intuitive or 100% inner directed and then life's a joy as they say life's a joy and then you ascend from the place of inner direction so we talk a lot about practicalities and guidance and sometimes people they see what we seem to be up to around Utah and around the world and they say wow that's amazing or how is this happening and for us it's not it doesn't even feel like extraordinary in the sense it feels very natural and it's a natural expression from guidance and of course if you were listening to God or listening to the voice for God you would expect things to flow why would they not if the Bible says if God is with us who can be against us and that saying still holds true if the spirit is with us which it truly is no doubt about that then there is no opposition then there is no enemy then there is nothing to fight against and there's a sense of ease that comes from that yeah it's definitely like it's actually pretty organic it's not through planning it's not through past references it's present guidance that really bring us wherever we are I guess even this construct of community however it looks right now it's just through this present guidance step by step and nobody really knows because nobody had lived in community before so we had no clue where it's going and how to have a community that is so-called successful because that is not even the goal but it's really about just following what is going on and yet the life is so joyful because it becomes just allowing the miracles to come in and we just rejoice in that and the community can be expanding because now we're expanding to you know the online community and every part of the world is our community we can join without any obstacles of travels of time zones that is truly what this is about because I feel even I know you kept saying that you didn't really plan to have a community to start with and none of the people here right now thought I'm going to live in community one day I'm so attracted to that concept of community nobody did and if anything maybe like the opposite not really sure what this is about but I do feel there is a healthiness and just for me I guess it is helpful because it is guided and I can feel the healthiness of coming together and have a very unified purpose in everything we do because I feel if the purpose is split there is no way we can achieve anything maybe seemingly achieve something in this world but it's all really meaningless there is really no no way we can truly achieve anything but as soon as the goal is unified and I when you talk about win-win it's funny because I was just thinking about it before the show I thought really only the only win-win situation is when there is a unified goal and the only unified goal we can have is forgiveness because any other goal we have around the body if I gain you lose it's always you know dualistic it's not unified and forgiveness is the only goal that is going to make everybody win make everybody happy and then when people come together when minds come together for this goal it's extremely powerful and it's extremely fast seemingly very very powerful I think that's what it's been because we have a shared goal I mean there's been lots of attempts over the decades and centuries and I think you know we can think back to the 60's and all the attempts and communes and so on and so forth and co-ops and even like food co-ops like let's let's pool together let's grow food together let's let's share food and let's share possessions and share property I have some friends in England that have been trying for the longest time to get a property started some children they were all devoted and they got into all kinds of things and maybe like a legal lawsuit and all kinds of things but they got a message maybe within the last couple months things have come around and I think they're over on the on the eastern coast of England so there's things that seem to be hurdles and obstacles but that's because of the occasion of the purpose because truly if forgiveness is your purpose then instantly you do share something that actually can be shared because the Holy Spirit can share that and does share that with everyone so to speak and there's it's something that was designed to be shared forgiveness is a shared perspective and everything else in the world whether we get into trying to share resources or share property and all of the attempts to share anything sharing bank accounts and all those kind of things they will fall short they are just symbols and they will fall short of forgiveness because that's really all that can be shared and I love that the Course teaches that only the thoughts of God can be shared so ultimately that's what creation is about that's what heaven is about sharing this creative expression of God but that's within the realm of pure knowledge or pure spirit so in this world the only thing that we can share is forgiveness and it's just like smiling and just seeing the false is false and that's where there's nothing to get huff about there's nothing to be concerned about and things become light and laughable through that forgiven perspective so I would say that's the thing to consider what is it for whenever you're considering any kind of venture in the world it's not so important what the action is or the behavior but it's the motive it's the purpose underneath what is inspiring the action and we're all starting to get really tuned in to find what that inspiration is find what that purpose is and then realize the peace that comes from that and that's a little bit like St. Augustine love and do what you will many centuries ago St. Augustine said that and I think it's echoed today we're still echoing the same very simple statement of St. Augustine love and do what you will be in that alignment with your source and then everything will flow from that alignment and you don't even have to be concerned or worried about what that is or how that's going to happen yeah I know because I just have this movie in mind as we're talking this movie a Swedish movie called Force Measure and it is about the family went to the Alps and encountered Avalanche and when the Avalanche hits the husband just the first reaction was to run away and protect himself and leave the children and the wife behind and the wife stayed to protect the children in the end nobody really got hurt but the conflict out of that event that came up between the husband and the wife and the whole movie is about how they were trying to face that emotion and really when we were watching it we were just actually in you know like wow when there is no purpose of healing there is no real foundation to do anything because even when they were trying to communicate the purpose was either to protect a self image to deny this is what happened or to prove the other person wrong to prove I'm a victim so they have keep trying the husband and wife keep trying to solve this deep emotional terminal that happened through this event and there was no way there was absolutely no way that they could achieve peace in this event so I was just even saying you know in any relationships it's pretty easy to observe when the go is not forgiveness that comes up then you really started to feel there is really very difficult to go anywhere in the relationship and yet if the goal any relationship is purely forgiveness and it's a joint purpose it's going to be very very joyful because you're not in defense you're not in avoidance or in fear of anything that can come up because your goal is to expose it together and look at a way to have the spirit enter and forgive together you know I think it's very much that we are asked to pray and open up and listen and follow and then we will open our hearts and we will grow so to speak or expand our consciousness and even when there seems to be mistakes it's not like their lasting mistakes it's not like those mistakes have an eternal consequence those are just turned into opportunities in little barometers that doesn't feel good and then we go back and we go back inside to what was my purpose or what was my motive and recently Nikita and I were talking and having lunch with Judy scutch and she said at one point in kind of a past life reading she said she came very close and it was almost like very close to felt like enlightenment or waking up from the dream and then she made a wrong turn and seemed to have all this guilt and consequences it's kind of funny to think of it is one wrong turn and you are off onto a delay maneuver of guilt so that's why her feeling inside was for completion just that word came out of her completion and I really feel like that's the desire and the devotion when we come together we are here for completion we are here to reach and experience that state of perfect innocence that innocence that transcends mistakes that transcends even the possibility of mistakes that sense of innocence you are always in the right place at the right time so to speak you can't make a wrong turn that's what atonement or true forgiveness is it just holds nothing against yourself or against anyone else and to be a bringer of innocence oh my gosh what a great purpose to have for your life going around spreading joy, blessing everything and everyone that comes into your gaze how could you have a more wonderful purpose than to let your life so to speak in this world just be used for that and I just feel like it's happening like we're just all being showered with gratitude because of that and I do see that this world is just a call to witnesses so as I've kind of opened up and I've met so many wonderful wonderful people and experienced so much joy I really feel that it's just inside I was open to happiness and I'm calling forth the witnesses of happiness and for those who whose purpose is to share and communicate you will attract communication to you and here we are we're broadcasting, we're Periscope, we're on zoom we've got our studio audience that I could turn the cameras around show the lovelies here there's Eric I'm going to move one of the cameras around but there's all the lovelies gathered here we have attracted a lot of communication it just goes and goes and it radiates there we go it just keeps radiating out just bellowing out and keeps going and going and going you know and yeah what else is there really? I saw how I feel I think Jesus had described of course around this joy when you truly your only wish is to see your brother innocent and to hold innocence in your heart when you perceive someone he said no happiness or joy you ever tasted in this world will even come close to the joy you feel when you actually have this goal as your only goal and as you look at your brothers and everything it's beautiful oh do we have any questions in the studio or we can open it up okay so I recently was having some trouble just fighting what lesson to be on and I started the ego kind of took over and it was like my goal became to a book but I have actually started and stopped the course so many times and I was trying I had gone through lesson 70 and then I was in Canada and we did some lessons and then I tried to be on the same lesson that David was recording and then the group in Camus switched to another lesson and so then I skipped some lessons that I thought maybe I had already done and I'm probably about 10 lessons ahead of what you're recording right now and then I thought well maybe I'll just stay on a lesson for a while so David can catch up with me so I can be on the same one but anyway I'm just getting thrown around so much and it's almost like I want somebody to tell me okay just be on this lesson and yet I want to be able to someday say that I've actually gone through all the workbook lessons so and then I thought of starting at the very end and going backwards and I just feel like I'm being kind of oppressed by the ego and I don't know what to do so what do you have to say about that yeah it's what you're expressing is this the ego is so afraid of awakening and so resistant to the course it's almost like in Superman there's kryptonite and Superman is not so fond of kryptonite it stays away from it well the ego is this course is so direct but it's kind of interesting that there may be times I know when I first had the course I would pop it open like an oracle which there's nothing in the course that says use this like an oracle but that was an inspiration for me but with the workbook lessons you know it's interesting that he just gives an introduction and he says you may not believe the lessons you may actively resist the lessons it will not matter just do them and then he just gives two instructions so when you think about all the instructions we've had in the world in education and all the things we've went through to learn so many things it's kind of interesting that he has two instructions and it's just don't do more than one lesson a day and then as best as you can try not to make any exceptions to the lesson but that's a discipline it's really I think academia or learning to play the violin or learning to ride a bike or learning just about anything in this world it takes discipline we've subjected ourselves to that discipline in some areas and then sometimes we say wow this is a direct shot to forgiveness and self-realization and then we just observe look at the resistance to that discipline you know it's almost like we're more willing to to learn other things than we are to forgive our mistakes so I think it's just good to watch the mind and watch all that and then I think probably though if the course is genuinely your path there probably will come a point where you just kind of settle in and even for me this year of within the past year when I started recording a section of the text and then a lesson I did get some comments like what are you doing by golly 25 years you've been traveling and sharing this stuff and what are you doing reading from the course again but to me it's all involuntary so it just felt very natural but it did feel like there was definitely some kind of a commitment underneath it like to continue even when I was in locations one of my travels, my spontaneous travels where I didn't have any internet access I didn't have any cell phone access I didn't feel I didn't see to try to find a way to do it it was just like well when I do have access again I'll continue right on and that was just to be patient and say I'll just wait until I have the access and I'll continue on with the next one and just keep going so I think you're headed in that direction and you shouldn't be too hard on yourself as you watch it it's almost like the elevator I mean in the movie Revolver when he's in the elevator and the ego is kicking and screaming and pounding the sides of the elevator and it's a wild child it's like a bastard child it doesn't have a parent it wasn't created so it doesn't even have a parent it's that wild and it's very impetuous and it's very rebellious to the point now where you can start to watch it and as I was saying the other day thank you for sharing thank you for pounding start to have a lightness with watching it and not taking it on so heavily as if it's you because that's the greatest deception of the ego is convincing the mind that it is you and it's not and it never will be so the time will come where you'll just find yourself flowing from one to the next to the next and go oh how lovely okay thank you we said we might talk about community just because it's kind of a for many people still an ambiguous field or ambiguous symbol yeah I guess I started to read a lot of or maybe just come to my awareness that seems like a community of different focus started to bring up everywhere these days in different parts of the world people actually found out that living together is just really in ways very very helpful and I know there is this even a community in San Francisco where this huge house with 40 rooms and people entrepreneurs, millionaires IT artists they all choose to live together to share the resource and not just the resource as in the same kitchen and the same meal same grocery shopping or something also the each other's skills because when they come together there is just a lot of collaboration that spring out from you know you're living in your own home and trying to get something done you're completely on your own so it's by their choice to live like that to tap into this this wave of collaboration and communication as well really encourage communication so it just feels like almost some huge opening of people started to feel that we can collaborate in such a bigger way and open up communication in such a bigger way that's not choose to isolate and even having to you know just segregate living in a way of segregation but I guess everybody is probably just trying to find out the purpose the common purpose and the common goal because I also heard it and I totally agree that when the community doesn't have unified goal and purpose it's just not gonna last doesn't really matter the goal and for us I feel probably we choose the goal first, forgiveness each one of us as we were studying across miracles we choose to really follow and really take it deep in our minds and choose forgiveness and of course the form started just to unfold in this way without our control really nobody is in control of any of it and for certain people it does not unfold in this way but for for us in my own experience it did unfold and it still is unfolding in this way so I just feel you know it's not really something that we did or we are planning continuing to plan to do it's really something that is just unfolded on its own as we choose this purpose this focus and this collaboration and I just feel very very helpful you know of course forgiveness you know it is a word it's a concept, it's a practice but it looks in so many ways it's so practical when new people coming here I know this morning in our center Lisa brought up this handbook because as the community started to grow something come together as a kind of compilation of some principles or teachings and practical guidelines of no people placing no private thoughts on how they are and how to practice them she just brought it up this morning to say let's begin again let's remind our mind the focus and the purpose of us coming together and it really looks very differently you know it could look like someone is yielding his preference in food or in what he thinks is the best for himself by yielding to a bigger purpose or a guidance in the moment so it may look that way and it may look like chop wood carry water for some other people it may look like communication like this it may look like a relationship that comes together someone started to express love in a relationship context it really doesn't really matter what form it is it is the the purpose that's in mind that really truly matters and can carry us through whatever we're doing so yeah I think it starts to become just like a state of mind we've had so many interesting experiences out at our monastery because I remember last year with no one having lived in the monastery really over the winter it was just so funny when some of us went out there and I remember Jason telling stories of going into this octagon room where I had been and it sort of was a mouse you know turning the light on and this mouse just staring at Jason looking at him like what are you doing here almost like well I live here I'm turning the light on are you going to run no, are you running it just had this look like we're here we're equals and this is my home and the mouse actually look at Jason and turn around saying I'm going to show you my family because they're all here so he went back and went to his little hole or something and point to Jason this is where I live and my family is here and then he walked forward to just stare at Jason so there's like all happening telepathically and it happens with us at the monastery with you know there's everything from like goats and deer and cows and rabbits and so many chipmunks we've had stories, we had Stevie named one of the chipmunks we wonder because it was a blind chipmunk but it became familiar with certain voices and so it's like that's the family and you feel the love and connection we've had our cat sweetie here and we've had our experiences with tripod and different ones here but it's a state of mind of just acceptance it's like I think it wasn't there I think in the main house there were some bats that went home so it was all a thought process like you know what is my purpose am I going to try to get rid of the bats you know can we coexist and so on and so forth ultimately I think it's all part of this transformation of consciousness where we feel so connected and so one with everything that we don't seek to change the world we don't try to alter the world in any way we're the dreamer of the dream we really fully accept that and it's so peaceful but there's no contention there's no trying to make a change make a shift one time a friend of mine was going to come and co-host a a retreat with me and she brought along this woman and we put her up above I think above the bath house there was a couple rooms up where you had your room and before the retreat started I just kept looking up there and there was a bird that kept flying into the window I kind of nicknamed him kamikaze bird he just kept flying into the window and basically he continued on the whole retreat it was just a forgiveness lesson of thinking that that kamikaze bird had any meaning as he seemed to want silence in the physical sense and we know that silence isn't really physical but eventually I saw him trying to put sheets up over the windows and to try to capture the bird and to do all these different things and that bird was such a teacher in terms of letting go we're just to come to a state of non-judgment but it was quite for me I was enjoying the whole thing it was like some kind of Lucille Ball episode or whatever and so finally they got up there and put these big sheets over this window this bird kept pounding this thing, you see them fly off and come back and pound some more blasting into this thing and then when they put the sheets on one window it went around to the side window and it pounded away on the side window just on one room the room was drawing that forth and all you can do is watch there's really nothing to change I'm sure that's a lot of what I talked about in that retreat too I couldn't help but talk about that but that's what we're talking about just coming to a point where you don't interpret things good or bad or right or wrong in form and that's the peace that's the stillness especially community I think it just keeps expanding in your mind so that it just embraces the whole world you have a community of perception so that's what the real world of the happy dream is it's a community without boundaries it doesn't have a beginning it doesn't have an end the cosmos is your community and once you make the cosmos your community then you are on the tractor beam to communing with source there's no opposition and no opposite in source so that's beautiful sweet sweet sweet go ahead thank you well first of all it's lovely to see you both thank you thank you for talking about community because it's something that I'm with a lot at the moment as you know I've had a small mini community in my home here for about nine ten months and after the silent retreat in Finland I really felt to come home and just be here on my own in silence and it was it has been a very very helpful time for me and then I had a function with a silent retreat coming up in the spring here and I've stepped back from that because I really felt the call to stay within the silence and in stepping back and talking the journey about it I do see that I still have a great fear of collaboration of I've lived on my own for a very long time and this is a sort of new experience for me to be with people all the time and it's almost like you also talked about making what might appear to be a wrong term I don't know whether this is a wrong or right term in fact it's one of the things I've had to look at is right or wrong or good or bad or worse or better because they're all ego concepts of thoughts and I suppose what I'm really wanting to bring forward is this deep fear that's within me of this sort of close collaboration because it is something I would like to step away from well, let go of so that I can be at home either in community or not in community and at the moment I am spending my days on my own mostly in silence I look at a lot of your things and I meditate a lot I pray a lot I have quite a lot of Skype contact people just, I mean today I had three people contact me whom I haven't who are mighty companions who just sort of have come in and each of those conversations has been for me very helpful because I am asking all the time now to be to see all those I meet to see the Christ in them that's the way it comes to me and I do have very beautiful joinings in that and I suppose, I don't know whether I've got a question or speak to it but it's about have I made a wrong turn in some ways I feel yes and in other ways I feel no because something is coming forward but in a different way at the moment I don't know I don't know what more to say really but perhaps you can speak a bit towards it because you know I've had to look at a lot of what I thought was my own self-image I mean I didn't recognize it just that but that's what it's been my image of getting things right things looking right and things like that and you know really look at that as well I can talk about that what's coming to me is is it God and spirit love is just so absolutely generous this kind of feeling that I get it's so so full and so generous that ultimately it's message it keeps conveying is you can't mess it up you know you don't have to have a fear that somehow you can mess it up even when Judy was talking about a wrong turn and seeming guilt consequences she had a smile on her face because she said I'm here for completion and she's right in the tractor beam of that and that's that feeling like oh I can't really mess it up I can't really decide apart from love and so when I think of you and I think of all of the beloveds in Europe and all over the past couple days Europe's been coming to mind so much and lots of things ideas seem to be coming through very strong but I think of our last time that I was with you I think was in on Mallorca when we were in Amaras three houses outside of Palma and how that even happened being there in Ireland doing a retreat in Ireland from Amara up from Mallorca saying she just heard about me on the internet she shows up and she just blends right in in there in Ireland with all of us having not really known of me much before just kind of this is David and then go and then meeting me and then during that wonderful retreat saying can I have a one on one doing a one on one with her she just said I haven't in my life I'm just so much want to meet my soul mate and doing a one on one in that and saying can you help me with that and then at some point oh and by the way I offered my house to the Holy Spirit five years ago and they haven't done anything with it what's the deal why aren't they using my my offer and then even answering your own question oh maybe I think I'm to offer it to have some kind of a retreat or something down there and by the end we were just rejoicing in that and here we come down there and there's three houses on this so many hectares and we had that amazing I guess six weeks for you that was or however many weeks for people were having and then that little mini community you've had that kind of just sprung out of that very naturally I just feel the generosity of how the Spirit leads us and opens our heart up and so I think that's the spirit in which we come together in the sense that we're opening it's a very devotional path and there is no formula for it so we can't draw out some kind of formula and say just plug yourself in and follow the formula it has to be very intuitive and yeah what's been coming in over these last days is just that there's something coming this summer and it felt like some some touring Francis was feeling kind of starting off in England and then doing some touring and Kirsten said she felt it every time I talk about it and I felt a call but it would be some touring and then maybe some kind of coming together like we did in Palma at Amara's house and then something continuing on after that but it's really gentle and generous when you think that the script is written that everyone who plays a part and that everyone is always playing their part perfectly we just have to see the Christ in one brother or one sister and it will transfer to everyone and everything it's not a collective kind of multiple thing where you keep building and building and building towards a Christ realization it's just seeing one brother one sister without judgment and I also like the part in the Course in Miracles where it says a teacher of God can heal the world without a sound that's I'm sure that appeals to you as you allow yourself to go into the silence without a sound without an action without needing to meet anybody needing to even speak to anybody the presence of love can heal the world through the stillness and I think it comes down to more when you look at any decision that you seem to have in your life it's just you come very honestly to what is this for is this have a feeling of reverence with it does it have a feeling of deep purpose and deep meaning are my contacts even Skype calls or meetings is it very meaningful and purposeful and as that is the prayer of your heart then amazingly everything and every one in the whole cosmos just will mold and shape to reflect that to meet the mind in that and that is just amazing that's like at least a more song myself is ruler of the universe the capital self my Christ self is ruler of the universe I am not at the mercy of the world the world is there to reflect my heart my joy I think that's the way to look at it it's a discernment you're going through a daily discernment and to trust that the spirit will carry you through that's the one thing you can focus on you don't need to focus on anything else precious precious we're all staying tuned we're tuned in yeah I think we also want to trust the purity of our heart and our desire because we know that we want to be happy we want to follow the spirit and we want forgiveness and as long as we know that and we just allow the spirit to show us show me, convince me and make it obvious I don't miss it but sometimes I just feel like I also have to come back to say my desire is very very pure and I'm not really in the position to judge the form there is no judgment of the form it's always like how do I feel how do I feel and spirit please show me show me the way in form but it is not my concern hold the desire in heart okay I think I have this out of the blue show at 5 p.m. mountain standard time for the past few weeks and from next week I'm gonna change it to 10 a.m. mountain standard time which means that we'll be earlier in the night for Europe and it will be the morning time for North America so Friday still same day but earlier time 10 a.m. mountain standard time so I hope to continue to join with you and go deeper with anything that comes up in the mind in the moment oh it's been so great being with all of you so beautiful so dear yes thank you so much and thank you David for just being here for this weekend broadcasting every opportunity we had yeah I like it it's for me it's just walk down the hall and there my phones there's scope and just it's been just a joy and so easy too from all the travels around the world just so much fun and so easy so I just love you all I'm just so glad thank you bye


If you're in a welcome back so good to see you here, and if I have to remind people First woman to head a fortune 500 at 35 first female officer at 18 t you ran for Senate You were on stage for the GOP presidential debates We can talk to you about anything under the Sun at this point breast cancer survivor Let's start with the political arena though because it seems the most obvious when you look at DC What do you see these days? Well, I think I see what a lot of Americans see right now is Dysfunction honestly, but I think bigger than that I'm really becoming concerned that we have lost the ability to have a Civil discourse in this country. I think for so long politics and Democrats have been guilty here, but Politics has become about grievance resentment anger victimization and we so Rarely talk about the things that unify us the possibilities that every American should have I think So often our political discourse is poisoned honestly. We were just talking about the lack of civility It's name-calling now. It's insults. What happened? I remember as a kid You never addressed the president without saying president Reagan President we don't do that anymore. Well heck we call him by his first name. Yeah, what happened, you know I don't know, but I think part of what happened is and I said this as a candidate I said this last time I was on your show When a system becomes about self-preservation Professional politicians are about self-preservation doesn't make them bad people But the system is all about running and winning running and winning staying in office When a system becomes about self-preservation Rather than problem-solving, which is what voters hope for Then people do what's necessary to preserve the system and what's necessary to preserve the system. Unfortunately is raise money get the base out get people to the polls and Unfortunately, it's easier to raise money on name-calling and arguing and the media loves name-calling Let's be honest. The media loves a controversy. They love conflict. They love the personal insult. Hey, it's great TV, right? All right, and so between the need to get re-elected The media culture in general that highlights conflict and controversy We are losing the ability for civil discourse and unfortunately the people who expect problems to be solved Citizens are the ones that are getting most harmed by that because Good people don't want to be abused like that. Most people don't want to be abused like that So how do we get good people to step up? We know I think part of what we have to realize is That we as citizens need to actually understand our Responsibilities frankly, I think too often we put everything on to the politicians. I know that as a candidate people put everything on the candidate in our country Sovereignty rests in the citizen Not in the president not in Congress Sovereignty rests in the citizen and each of us as citizens each of us as people have Enormous potential and power more than we realize and more than most of us exercise And so I've spent all my life working with other people about their potential to make a difference They're potential to lead Leadership isn't about the title you hold or the position you're in It's about your willingness to challenge the status quo to actually solve problems and collaborate with others And I think we as citizens need to do more of that. Yes, we should elect people who are civil Yes, we should hold our politicians accountable, but yes, we need to do our part also But it's it's about going to the voting boxes then and doing what you're supposed to do Well, it's about going to the voting boxes, but it's about something even more than that I said that everybody can lead there are So many problems in our communities and as a conservative as a common-sense person I know that people most impacted by a problem are most likely to understand how to solve that problem And so there are people in communities and families and businesses who are trying to solve problems every single day and The problem doesn't get solved without leadership. And so one of the things I'm passionate about is lifting leaders up wherever they are Yes, go to the voting box, but also recognize that there's a problem sitting right in front of you that you actually can help solve You are a leader you are a leader and someone that we many people would love to see continue her political career There's plenty of talk about you running for Senate. What what are you going to do? Well, first, let me say I will stay engaged in politics I just came from Ohio where I did a lot of events for the Republican Party and I'm going to stay engaged in supporting candidates that I believe in and I Don't rule out a run for political office in the future But I've made a decision that I'm not going to run for the US Senate in Virginia this time around and one of the reasons I'm not is because I so Passionately believe that I can actually make a bigger impact not running for the US Senate, but a bigger impact Lifting up leaders wherever they are Training leaders developing leaders It's not a problem though then for the government for the country for people that smart people like you believe you can make a bigger Difference outside of Washington. Well, yes and no.  We don't by the way We really don't we've let a system go on forever that isn't serving us. Well, and I also think that for someone like me who Has learned how to lift up leaders wherever they are because it's not about their position or their title For someone like me who's learned that who's developed a curriculum about it who can go into communities and help build leaders who are Trying to solve really pressing problems. That's I hope of huge value because Washington can't solve every problem We don't want them to solve every problem and when we just kick the can to them We get more problems usually you've said that leaders are made not born. Yes, and I love that line. It's true It's not a line, but I love and I have to admit have stolen it And I know I'll source it I've sourced it but that being said how do you make these people leaders? How do you get people out of their comfort zone because that's what it's about isn't it?  They don't accept the way things are they focus themselves on solving problems They serve others and most especially a leader understands that there are Possibilities of potential all around them particularly in the people all around them, but you're also correct A leader needs courage Because if you challenge the status quo and solve problems you get criticized a leader needs character It's character that tells us the difference between say a short-term win and a long-term impact a Leader needs to be able to collaborate which takes humility and empathy Something in short supply frequently But most of all leader needs to see possibilities and so all the way to your question it starts with people understanding Oh, I can lead I don't need a position or a title I can actually work with other people to solve problems I have that gift within me the qualities. I just thought about courage character Collaboration humility empathy Optimism those are human qualities. They are available to all of us and each of us actually Want to be those things and when we are courageous and collaborative and empathetic and we see possibilities We make things better and that's why you decided to start this foundation. Yes, so tell us about it. Well, I have spent literally 30 years focused on how to develop leaders because when you start as a secretary You figure out that real estate company in a real estate, right? You you see problems all around you and so for 30 years. I've Watched my own leadership capabilities develop, but more importantly. I've seen others develop and so what I now know is What that's about and so the unlocking potential foundation is based around a curriculum Where any individual? Can learn the behaviors the traits the characteristics and the tools that successful years used And we are focused on the nonprofit sector and the public sector Because people in the nonprofit world and the public sector are wrestling with really tough problems, right? And they don't always have access to the leadership development tools that say corporate America does mainly because I do a lot of Yes, mainly because of funding right I do a lot of work in corporate America as well But I think where we most need leadership now at all levels is in our citizenry But so this is pro bono work for you then yes, it is I Have funded much of the foundation, but we also have other donors. We have staffed our foundation. We've built the curriculum and my Time given in these partnerships with nonprofits and public sector. I give freely because I think The most fundamental problem we have now is a lack of leadership at every level And the way I think I can help make an impact in solving that problem is to lift leaders up Wherever they are and that starts with every person realizing you know what I can leave because everybody can it's called Unlocking potential the foundation will have a pilot program launched at the end of the year. Yes Yes, so that means you're gonna go into nonprofits and help them. Yes, we are invited into communities Where a group of nonprofits will come together and say we are wrestling with a set of problems It could be veterans. It could be opioid addiction. It could be poverty. It could be education we've talked with all of these kinds of foundations and When you're wrestling with tough problems boy, do you need a lot of leadership? And if you look at the nonprofit sector or the public sector Everyone involved in those sectors will say there's really not an opportunity to develop leadership Capacity we haven't invested enough in that and so we work with those partners. They understand the problems They're trying to solve I Understand leadership and how leaders are made and so I mean so that means you've stepped away from a Senate run To do this and devote your time to this. Well, actually I'm doing this and Concluded that I could have a bigger impact here than running for the Senate. I I still think that I'm at it's a tough place We are in as a yeah, and and so you have to ask yourself short-term long-term. Yeah Does one more senator in a group of a hundred in a let's face it pretty dysfunctional environment You have to weigh that difference versus Lifting up leaders in communities all across this country Highlighting the ones that are already there that we never talk about so one of the things I'm doing is working around the country with Community leaders and lifting them up so the rest of the country can see that because again we get so confused We think oh you got to be a senator or you got to be a president or you got to be a CEO to lead No, there are people leading all over this country. They need to be lifted up We need to celebrate them. It's just one of the many conversations that has to change in this country. Yes, right? I mean, there's a litany of them Well, but when you talk about leading and and the fact that you couldn't make a difference in Senate in the Senate Our term limits part a part of the problem there Well, I happen to think yes I happen to think yes, but I also think we have become consumed as a nation with the political game Great and a lot of it is the game and I also think that we were never intended to be a country We're absolutely every problem was supposed to be solved in Washington DC In fact the more problems we send to Washington DC the worst things get because that's what happens Money builds up around them bureaucracies build up around them Conflict and controversy builds up around them This is a country that was founded on the notion that as many problems as possible should be solved locally That's what our Constitution says and what I've learned over and over again in my life is the people most impacted by a problem Understand at best and so therefore if they have the tools the resources the support the leadership necessary They can solve it people don't always have the resources or the support, but actually we have to stop Fixating on Washington DC. Yes, it's a problem. Yes, it's dysfunctional But there's so many other things that we can make better all across this country It's funny. I looked up what Tom Jefferson wrote back in 1787 and he said exactly what he says go home go back to your farm So little and then go right serve a little and then go back to that's what serve a little and go back And yes term limits would help that I ran for president as you recall saying ours was intended to be a citizen government I think ours was and I think we need to return to that Which is why I'll always remain actively engaged in politics because politics is incredibly important But we have an opportunity each of us to make a difference besides sitting at home watching cable TV and Criticizing or cheering our politicians. I absolutely agree with you And but yet you get people that are stifled because of the need of tax reform Stifled because health cares a mess. Yes, that does come back to Congress. Yes, absolutely There are there are certain things that only Washington can do right only Washington can pass tax reform and I dearly hope they will because Tax reform is so vital to opportunity in this country and the most important thing that has always propelled this nation is Opportunity, but do you think it will happen? Oh, I sure hope so, but it's hard to predict now, isn't it? But I hope I hope That people will understand how vital this is and I think if they don't then the voters should make sure that folks understand The consequences of a failure to produce results and again that comes back to the voting booths, right? That's right, but everything seems to be stifling us these days all we hear again That's the media right but court the corporate tax rate is too high So as a result companies are sitting on their hands too. So that has to change It's like we're all waiting for these things to happen and nothing is happening and as a result productivities almost stalls Yes, and in the meantime, I guess one of the things I'm saying is we can't all wait for things to happen We need to make things happen in our communities and in our businesses and in our states Yes, the corporate tax rate is ridiculous the highest in the world. It's counterproductive For a decade at least Democrats and Republicans have been saying there's bipartisan support for tax reform. Well, let's see, right? Let's see because there sure should be and there's not What about things like North Korea? Does any of that keep you up at night? Do you worry about that? Of course we should be what we should we be doing with North Korea? Well I'll tell you what I would be doing please I wouldn't be saying a whole lot right now. I certainly would not be tweeting I'm not trying to be critical of the president, but diplomacy should not be conducted in 144 characters It just shouldn't be it's counterproductive, but what I would be doing very quietly is Giving the go-ahead to South Korea to for example build up their arsenals giving the go-ahead to Japan providing Australia some of the capabilities They've been asking us for for a long time We have to make sure That our allies in the region have the capability necessary to defend themselves. Yes I think an oil embargo against North Korea is a good idea. Yes. I applaud the administration and Ambassador Nikki Haley for getting unanimous agreement on sanctions But I also think that we need to equip our allies More robustly than they are today While we're on the geopolitical topic, are there other parts of the world that you worry about we talked about Kuwait a little bit earlier Well Look Russia continues to be a bad actor. They're not a good actor. They're a bad actor They're not going to change they're a bad actor and they are a bad actor in the Middle East So what we have developing Continuing to develop in the Middle East is an unholy alliance between Syria Iran and Russia That's a bad thing and it is why we cannot cede our leadership position From the Middle East. It's why actually I applaud President Trump and his Afghanistan strategy I know some of his supporters are disappointed because it's different than what he said on the campaign trail But we can't simply cut and run right we have to give up nation-building as he said right and focus on fighting terrorism But we cannot cede our leadership position anywhere in the world not in Eastern Europe Not in the Middle East Because Russia is our enemy North Korea is a problem China is in it for themselves So the only way they will deal with us is if we change their calculation of their own self-interest And Syrian Iran are going to continue to be as big a problem as North Korea And that you hear all this people hear this and it stifles them And so how do you get them out of their own way? Yes, although I have to say Tracy You say it stifles them and maybe it does North Korea has been a problem for a long time fair enough Russia was a bigger problem two decades ago when they were the Soviet Union The Middle East has been a problem for a long time people forget the horrific terrorist attacks that took out 244 American service people in Beirut I mean these hot spots have been hot spots for a very long time. It's not new Perhaps the technology is new perhaps the tactics are new But the people who are our friends have stayed the same the people who are our adversaries have stayed the same And so we need to be realistic about the fact. That's why American leadership is so important It doesn't mean rushing off to war. It does mean being clear Who are our allies? Who are our adversaries and treating each? Accordingly and do you think the president is articulating that properly not always no Sometimes yes, sometimes yes, and again. I was delighted when he took the stand. He did in Afghanistan I think he did absolutely the right thing in Syria when he responded to Bashar al-Assad's chemical weapons attack I think he has done so far forget the tweets for a moment I think he's done so far the right things with North Korea And I think as a result he has for the first time Unanimous world opinion about the need to sanction North Korea. So yes, I think he has done things here at home He has taken a lot of credit for our stock market being up It's about up about 10% year to date should he be taking credit for that? Well, it's what presidents do I don't I don't begrudge him that I don't begrudge him that at all And I think the stock markets up why the stock markets up because corporate profits are way up The stock markets up because unemployment's way down But to your earlier question the stock markets also up because they're baking in tax reform They sure are stock markets up because they baked in regulatory reform which Trump is delivering per his campaign promise He's doing far more than Bush did in terms of regulatory reform So some of these things are absolutely legitimate and you should take credit for them Of course the question is what happens and I hope Democrats and Republicans will think about this What happens to the stock market if tax reform doesn't happen right because it is baked in right The world and the business community is a very different place from when you were CEO for 10 years back in the 1999 Yeah, we're putting Activism is so hot. I feel like every day we hear a new story just today Nelson Pelt submitted 93 pages about why proctor and gamble should be different. How do you feel about activism? Does it help or hurt or damage? Well, I think there are a couple things that are different number one Unfortunately, most shareholders are now short-term holders, right? Less than 90 days is the average Holding of stock today. The second thing that's different is we have all these algorithms on Wall Street So it's not clear people are trading on corporate fundamentals and the third thing that's different obviously is social media and the ability to bring enormous pressure on to these CEOs and these companies so What do you do in a situation like that? Lead you can't be buffeted about by the pressure What do you stand for? What do you believe in are you focused on a short-term 30-day gain or you focused on producing real Sustainable value for customers for employees and yes for shareholders and sometimes you're going to get criticized for that So I do think that in politics in business We're getting buffeted by all this short-term pressure that social media creates and sometimes I think People have to take a deep breath and understand. What do we believe? What do we stand for and stick to it? You come from such a unique perspective because you've done both. Yeah Well, is one arguably harder than the other? No, I don't think one's harder than the other I think they're different in some ways. I think they're similar in other ways. For example Leadership is the same no matter where you are whether you're a political leader as opposed to a politician or a business leader as opposed to simply a CEO Leadership is always the same. It always takes courage and character. It always takes collaboration It always takes the ability to innovate and see possibilities There are other things that I think business Could teach politics and vice versa Yeah Being president isn't like being a CEO, but in business you have to focus on results You have to produce results talk is not enough and politics has become a game of talk Not producing results not solving problems On the other hand, I also think that most businesses do not enough Communication about ideas and purpose and why are we here and perhaps that's something they could learn from the best about politics and yet we can't get these great business leaders to Commit some time to Washington because that would make a difference. I think overall. Well, I have to push back a little bit I think CEOs spend a lot of time in Washington actually They are trying to know I think in general CEOs. I spent a lot of time I think CEOs spend a lot of time in Washington They don't necessarily do it in front of the camera fair enough But they're spending a lot of time in Washington because they're trying to influence the process, right? I think that's legitimate on the other hand I think the danger in all of that is Washington now is built for the big not the small It's built for the wealthy and the well-connected not the small and anonymous and that's why as part of tax reform Lowering the rates is critically important, but simplifying the tax code is Almost perhaps even more important It's what I said on the campaign trail and I still believe it because all this complexity that we built into our political system It always favors the big CEO of the big company you can jet in and have an audience and influence the process But the small business owner in Cleveland, Ohio where I just was last night They don't have the opportunity to influence. Well, it's a it's a book of favors It's a political book of favors the tax code. It is yes created by the business Participates in that believe you make right. They're not staying out of Washington. So you're right about that So so what do I mean? You're not gonna jump they're not gonna junk it and start over which would be the ideal Yes, well that I think so right I do too, but it's not an ideal three pages, right and then go from there See, I think we need and this is a place where I hope Voices outside the process have actually more freedom and therefore perhaps more influence and voices inside the process We need a total change of mindset. No one inside the process is ever going to be able to say Instead of leaving all the loopholes alone and arguing about whether or not one should disappear Let's get rid of them all and argue about whether one should reappear, right? We need a total shift in mindset. You're right. That conversation will never happen inside the system, but I think as Active citizens people who are politically engaged. We better stand up and start talking about simplification over and over and over demand Instead, I think these are getting more complicated. Yes, they are and they've gotten more complicated under Republicans and Democrats alike Why because the system is geared towards self-preservation, right? It doesn't make people bad by the way The status quo is a very powerful force It always is because the people who are making it in the status quo want to keep what they have, right? It doesn't make them bad people. It makes them human. So that's why leadership takes courage Because to challenge that system Is really tough. I don't think the challenge to the system is going to come from inside the system Honestly, I think we've proven that over and over and over again I think the challenge to the system is going to come from outside and the only place that comes is Citizens in this country and leaders in this country and because as we were talking before we started filming innovation is Happening all around us People are disrupting left and right and so as a result. It's almost like Washington is behind the eight ball on so many things Almost on all things on all things. Yes Innovation happens far faster than regulation, right now regulation can retard innovation and frequently it does Or regulators can stick their hands and heads in the sand and think oh, it's not gonna happen like Bitcoin or other cryptocurrencies. Oh, it's not gonna happen. It is gonna happen But innovation is the lifeblood of this nation and Washington will always be behind the eight ball as long as Washington and our citizens believe that it is Washington that should solve every problem right a big bureaucracy can never keep ahead So we have to be limited in the problems we give Washington Which is what our founders actually said in the first place Washington should only do certain things in everything else should be done outside of Washington And we have come so far from that and they said spend a small time and go back to your That's right spend a small time so that you know what real life is like you mentioned these cryptocurrencies and Bitcoin And I mean that's a great example of something happening under their feet. Isn't it? That's right But see here's here's back to the system and the status quo It's not just the regulators who are saying ooh, I don't want to deal with this Please make it go away banks are having that reaction to Banks want it to go away big banks this town wants it to go away I'll tell you I had a conversation with former Fed chairman Alan Greenspan. We were doing a a Panel discussion together. This was maybe six years ago and the subject of Bitcoin came up and Chairman Greenspan said well, it's a it's a flash in the pan.  Chairman you're wrong in the year 2000. I gave a speech and said every single industry will be disrupted by Everything going digital right coming mobile becoming virtual becoming personal music books movies Groceries you name it. It's happening and it's going to happen. It is happening to the banking industry They don't want to deal with it because it's it's competition Regulators don't want to deal with it because they don't understand it right, but it is happening and it will continue to happen. I Mean it's it's the currency of Illegal transactions of choice right now. They have to get on top. Yes, but it also is I just had a I won't reveal the Specifics I'm not at liberty to but right before I came to see you I was having a business meeting with a very legitimate business and they are talking about the possibility of taking some of their assets and Putting them into cryptocurrencies. It's going to happen. Why do you think that's happening? Is it there's no faith in the dollar? Is it it's just an easy trade because it's 24-7. I think it's happening Well, I don't think it's because there's no faith in the dollar. I do think What are the two watchwords of innovation? Disrupt and disintermediate So crypto currencies not only are disruptive, but they disintermediate all this process that's been put in place And so it's faster easier cheaper to Create assets in that kind of virtual world. Are there problems with it? Of course of course But this isn't going to go away. It's going to keep going And so I would advise not that necessarily they would take my advice But I would advise the big banks in New York and the regulators in Washington DC pay attention It's coming to a business near you To take that warning speaking of disruption. This is what you're doing in the world of leadership. I hope so How do we spot? How do we teach this then at like the young levels because don't we need to start? We need to start with our kids. Yes. How do we do this? Well, I think it starts honestly by Saying something to young kids that my mother said to me What you are is God's gift to you what you make of yourself is your gift to God We are all gifted by God. I could tell you a thousand stories The point is Everyone has more potential than they realize and people need to hear that and believe it Over and over and over and then we have to start with the young. We cannot cast a Single life aside.  You have no potential. You have no gifts. You're worthless. We can't do that to anybody because Literally, everyone has potential so we have to start with that and then I think we have to re-educate people as to what leadership is Again, people get confused by it. They hear the word leader and they think oh CEO President fancy car These are leaders. No, a lot of those people are not leaders at all. They are perfectly happy in the status quo We have to re-educate people that it's not about position and title. It is about problem-solving It is about serving others. It is about seeing possibilities. It is about courage and character and Collaboration and I know for a fact after 30 plus years of experience all over the world Everyone is capable of that kind of leadership and yet Women in particular hold themselves back Sometimes yes, I'll tell you a funny story. I was talking to a woman and and She was saying well, you know What about the fear of failure and I said as long as Perfection is the goal. Mm-hmm. You will always fail And I think sometimes women expect ourselves to be perfect No one's perfect or sometimes I think we think we can't make a mistake. Of course, you're gonna make a mistake You cannot lead unless you take a risk You cannot innovate unless you take a risk, but if you take a risk, you're gonna make a mistake You're not gonna be perfect and the goal in life. Of course. I think It's just don't make the same mistake twice But keep going, you know that that movie Finding Dory just keep swimming just keep swimming Sometimes we gotta just keep swimming True we said earlier the dialogue has to change I think the dialogue around women has to change, you know, I have to tell you I was listening to a bunch of your older interviews and The first question out of the gate was how did you handle the failures? Yeah, and They would never say that to a man. Well in this and beyond that. Yes absolutely beyond that my answer always was I didn't fail did I make mistakes did I make mistakes? Absolutely, but running for president is not failing heck now and so Look women you're right. We need a different mindset. Are some women victims? Yes, absolutely It's also true that we now have a generation of most highly educated empowered women in human history women Are half the potential of this nation? half the human capital of this nation half the brain power and the heart of this nation it's Malpractice To leave that much talent on the sidelines and I think companies and businesses are slowly understanding that I Sometimes think that it's the women that are holding themselves back I think corporate America gets we need diversity at the table and it's sometimes That data don't have the talent pool. Well, sometimes yes, sometimes no look.  It's not there aren't qualified women out there, right? But it takes men in the boardroom to say I don't know her She's different than me. She thinks differently than me. She might challenge me, but we need her We have to learn to collaborate with people different than ourselves And I think one of the problems in our political discourse is returning each other into a pack of tribes Yeah, you know, you're not like me. So I don't like you that that's never going to work. So Sometimes corporate America thinks of women as a diversity issue. It's not a diversity issue. It's not an inclusion issue It's a self-preservation issue. Don't leave talent on the sidelines if you want to compete and succeed in this world And I think women to your point have to pull themselves up and say, you know what? I'm gonna take a risk I'm gonna make a mistake. I'm gonna get criticized. I'm not gonna be perfect. That's okay. That's life. Get over it Is that part of the conversation that has to change though this notion that there's women's groups? Inclusion my daughter is 15 and she made a blanket statement that she can't stand feminists and What I think she meant was I don't get like she doesn't get why you're singling out women Well, and she sees it as everybody's the same. Yes. Well, everybody isn't the same and we're all gifted We all have potential. We all have the opportunity to contribute celebrate our differences I do think feminism unfortunately is a term that's been captured by the political left, right? And so in our political dialogue, I think we've got two polar opposites right now Neither of which are helpful to women on the one hand You have the liberal progressives who want to see women as victims always women are always victims of something, right? And on the other hand you have Republicans who say there's no problem here Both are wrong. There are problems and not every woman is a victim and so let's depoliticize Feminism women's issues and start talking about women as half the talent pool of this country with an enormous amount of leadership capacity and brainpower to contribute and if we don't start to tap All our brain power. We're not ever Gonna keep winning There are a ton of women in nonprofit. Yes, right? Yes tons of women I mean just it's just the way it is, but it seems to be overpowered by females Matt you can tap that. Yes, of course and and one of the reasons I think that a lot of women leave the corporate world Is because they feel that there is no tolerance for difference I Established a real meritocracy a real meritocracy at Hewlett-Packard. It's very hard to do takes a lot of work And yet less than a year after I left half of my direct reports who are women had left Why because they could feel the climate had changed it is each of us are best When we can bring all that we are to the table Each of us are at our best We can contribute the most when we can be completely and totally ourselves And so when women are anyone who's different feels like I got to kind of keep it Keep my real personality buried in order to fit in That environment becomes less innovative and productive than it could be so just gender parody solve that if we you know if Corporations take a stand and companies and businesses say we're going for gender parody. We want 50-50. Does that solve the problem? See, I don't even know what that means gender parody. That's a number. That's just says Yeah, we're gonna have no that doesn't solve the problem because you could make the numbers work and Still have an environment in which people are not bringing everything they have to the table because they don't feel as though What they contribute Including what makes them different is valued It's so much about culture and environment Which is why a big part of our leadership curriculum in the foundation is all around How do you build a meritocracy? How do you actually build a culture where people are free to be themselves? But who also know that they have to contribute their maximum every day How can people find this you you should be rocking and rolling by 2018? Yes, we're rocking and rolling by 2018 We're gonna have a formal and more official launch. You're getting the the Tip of the hat because I so enjoy talking with you, but for now they can go on to carlyfearina.com and we will be launching officially just in the next couple weeks here I think that Changing the mindset can change so many things if you could change one thing politically, what would it be? I Would I have to pick two go I? Would ask our public service to focus on problem-solving not self-preservation And I would ask them to engage in a debate about ideas and policies and results Not personalities and conflicts and controversy If you could change one thing about our economic situation right now, what would you change tax reform? It's vital. We need tax reform and that means lower rates and it means a simpler tax code We have to get that done. We have such powerful underlying Economic engine here, but we have got to get the tax code right and on a personal level You just said this is the first summer you've had in years if you could change one thing, what would it be? you know I have a wonderful life. I have been really blessed and that doesn't mean my life has been perfect I've had struggles.  We lost a daughter to addiction Life hasn't always been a bed of roses, but I always think about life life is an adventure. I Measure every day in Impact am I making a positive contribution? Am I making a difference? Am I staying true to myself? Am I happy and I can answer yes to all those questions? That's a good life more people should ask themselves that question every day and I don't think they do Can I ask you about you brought up the addiction issue? We have an opioid epidemic in this country. Yes, we do How do we solve that? Well, first of all, we have an addiction Agreed and and I say that because addiction is a disease the substance varies the disease is the same So whether it's addiction to alcohol addiction to prescription drugs addition addiction to illegal opioids We just had a gambling issue. Yeah gambling. I mean addiction is a disease And so we have to begin to recognize it as a disease secondly like all other problems the addiction problem the Prevention of addiction the treatment of an addict the rehabilitation of an addict those things best happen Locally in a community so that an addict is reintegrated back into a community and a family However, there is a role that the federal government can play Criminal justice reform is important to treat the disease of addiction only the federal government can do that HIPAA reform is important to solve the disease of addiction And we need to send resources to programs that work. Don't keep it in Washington All right, send it into communities where they know what to do with it.  Yeah, maybe I would certainly not rule it out I would certainly not rule out. Can we see you on the presidential debate stage again? Well, we'll see you never know You don't I'll stay politically active. Well, I think what the viewer and the listener now knows is that that you have You just are changing ever-changing and your career is ever-changing and I think that's inspiring for a lot of people Thank you. Always great to be with you Tracy


What's up everybody, Jason here for jaspyscasebreak.com. 2020 DuPinini Immaculate Football is here, guys. This is a three box half case break pre-teens number one, and here we go. So, three box half case break. Immaculate is a little different for every sport. Baseball has like eight boxes, basketball has five, football has six this year. So, there's everybody's names plus, of course, some RNBs. We had to do an 11 team RNB. Of course, there's the teams and the names associated with those. I'm good luck here, but it should be fun. Maca, it's just a little taste of what's coming next, right? We're gonna have NTSU, and then you're gonna have Flawless, and we have Prism football coming out this month. I believe Contenders football. It's gonna be a lot of great football products coming out this month, guys. I like the yellow tins this year. Nice, nice. All right, guys. So, one, two, three for the left side. Four, five, six for the right side. Let's see which one we can generate here. Why does my camera look so crooked? Not sure, but it usually drops within a month after this product, and then weeks after that is Flawless. I mean, it's probably all those products are within the next month or two. All I know is Contenders and Prism are also coming out this month supposedly as well. All right, guys. One, two, three for the left. Four, five, six for the right. Five. So, one, two, three, four, five, six. We're gonna use these here for pick a team number two. Four, five, six for the right side. Obviously, you know, this draft class was pretty good. A lot of skilled receivers of, you know, quarterbacks were a little bit on the lower side, but again, guys, I think it's just kind of just like a normal product, right? I mean, there's Kenny Piggy that was great. You know, Malik Willis played a little bit. At the end, Desmond Redder, you know, there's a lot of good quarterbacks in this class, I believe, but I just feel like we've been too spoiled and blessed with like the 2020 draft class of the 2021 where there was just like five, six. So, of course, I know people might think this is kind of like a off year, but honestly, this is kind of what most football drops kind of typically look like, right? I mean, 2018, we were also blessed, right, with Josh Allen and, you know, all those, all those quarterback classes, but I said, this is kind of what the norm is. I think it's still a pretty good class, though. 12 out of 99, all you need is like one of these two guys to just make it pretty big and that's it. Yes, I think Matt Corral is so good too, man. Honestly, it's just so many injuries. Like, I feel bad for that guy, you know? All right, Antonio Gibson is Jeff Gordon. We got Pat Friarmouth, 51 out of 99. That is going to the Steelers. But yeah, you know, I feel like he's just been the one that was so good. It's just so banged up with injuries, man. Keeping him off the field. We have, ooh, they have shadow boxes this year, right? Clearly Immaculate to 99. That is Breece Hall. Kind of looks cool. I thought I'd seen some with autographs on this too, as well. Nice, Jeremy, hope we hit some for you, man. Like I said, he's pretty good. Wow, look at this, in the first box. One of one, Kenny Pickett. At the piece of the rookie helmet. Look at that. Steelers, Matt Smith. Alrighty, in the first box. Let's take that. Little Uno of Uno. That's pretty awesome. All right, let's get to the two autographs. Wow, B-Docs, Weapon X. Four Mott Eagles, Matt Smith as well, 31 out of 49. And last one here is Alec Pierce, little RPA for the Indianapolis Colts. That is part of the R&B. That's actually the first hit for the R&B, actually. And that is 27. Seven is Adam Coverman. That's right, Merica. Merica. All right, successful first box, I will say. Now we got Justin Fields, 92 out of 99 for the Chicago Bears. And that is gonna go to spot two of the R&B. Going to Tim Tyler. We have a nice three color patch, Davis Mills, 30 out of 99. Houston Texans also part of the R&B, zero. Going to Russell. We have a little warm moon for the Houston Oilers. Of course, now there's Tennessee Titans. Another one for the R&B, 40. Another one for zero, Russell. Nice, back to back. We have Ed Reed for the Ravens. Going to Ed. Ed to Ed Mojo, nine out of 49. Then we have a modern marks, Ryan Tannehill. 22 out of 49. I know you're looking for Malik Willis, but Tannehill there for the Titans. Another one for the R&B spot two this time is Tim Tyler. And look at that, baby. Right on time, right Brody? I've got an RPA to 25 of Desmond Ritter. Look how beautiful that patch is right there, man. Very nice. Sweet looking card. Very nice. That should help the stomach bug a little bit, right? All right, last box here, guys. So again, it's only three box half casers. So of course, if you guys want to get the next one going, I'd love to do it for you guys. Well, R&B of the remaining nine teams. And I think this one was an 11 team R&B, so it probably is a little bit cheaper, I'd assume. But like I said, if you guys want to give it a shot and grab some straight up teams, depending on what hits and doesn't hit, you can definitely do that. We also have an Immaculate R&B or Immaculate RT. That one's still a little ways to go, just because we have to do a couple fillers. But I can always cancel future fillers to get that rolling. All right, here we go. So we got Jaylen Hertz to 99. That's for my Eagles, Matt Smith. Little Shadow Box to 99. That's Cook, James Cook. That's for the bills. That is part of the R&B, actually. 41. Spot one is Mark. We have a little Justin Jefferson, Adam Thielen, Dual Relic to 49. That's Minnesota Vikings, Donald. We have a little DJ Moore. Good, good receiver right there. 10 out of 49, two-color patch and eye black auto. That's gonna go to the Carolina Panthers and that is, Jeremy, there you go, man, yeah. That's right, you said you had the Panthers. We're getting quarterbacks in this first three boxes. About a little Justin Herbert, three-color patch and autograph, three out of 10. And Justin Herbert's autograph is so nice. Him and Mario to man, they definitely took a penmanship class at Oregon. Chargers going to Ed. We're getting some pretty sweet hits here, guys, I will say. And the last one here is a little true RPA there of Kyle Hamilton, two-color patch and autograph there. Ed with the Ravens, 91 out of 99. I'd say pretty solid three boxes, guys. Now, of course, like I said, this draft class isn't as crazy deep as previous ones with quarterbacks and stuff like that. So we did hit a ridder. Kenny Pickett was nice. It wasn't an RPA or anything like that, but it was just a nice little Relic 101. But I'd have to say all in all, though, some really nice stuff here in this immaculate would love to get another one going. Like I said, second half's in the store. Some teams already sold. Let's try to get that next half going, guys. So appreciate it, everybody. Number two, let's get that done. Jaspy'scasebrakes.com, guys, thanks.


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