We're going to talk about Robbie Lu and she's an American poker player who was in the headlines after a controversial game against a guy named Garrett Adelson and it was in a hustler casino live game that was streamed over the internet. And she's been accused of cheating by Adelson, great tell us about the videos we're going to watch. Yeah. So just a handful of videos. We're going to start off with two videos that are her talking to her coach the day before this actual thing occurred. So we get a good baseline. Then we're going to go into the actual game. And then the last videos we'll cover are around an interview she did it after. As you said, she was accused of cheating in a more than $250,000 pot. They claim that she had some vibrating device on her. And you'll see that the internet has claimed, hey, there's this ring that they think was part of it. Robbie Jade Lu. What's up? How are you doing? The cash, the hustler cash game queen. I know it's kind of wild because we've been on the tournament like cycle for so long.  It's insane.  And even if you get there, like at the river, it still kind of matters to the world how it happened. So yeah, you want the pop. You really shouldn't have the way you played it.  So anyway, it's really it's funny. It's like all just practice and there you are and you're evaluated. And it's like showtime. Yeah, it feels like yeah, but and then you get to see your mistake. All right, Greg, what do you got? So we see a good baseline. She's talking to someone she knows. This is her coach. She's comfortable and she rambles a bit, but with intent to add content. She's not just rambling to ramble. She's adding things and she's editing as she speaks. So long sentences with rambling or in her baseline. She uses her hands to illustrate her thought process by illustrators. We mean she's punctuating her words and thoughts as she's moving. There's one thing that's interesting for me in there. And there's there's discomfort when she says and then there's the test. Are you ready? And her shoulder comes up. We associate that single shoulder shrug with uncertainty or discomfort with a topic. So maybe here the day before she's not certain she's ready. Chase, what do you get? Yeah, I've got one unusual thing here when she says practicing for an exam. I think the word is studying and practicing might suggest something else. Interesting use of words. And she says, that's what it feels like. There's the single shoulder shrug right when and that's what it feels like. Single shoulder shrug. The only one we see in this clip at all, I think, and it suggests that she lacks confidence in her statement. But if she's describing how it feels to play the game, this becomes a very strange signal to receive here. But overall, as if this is a baseline, words are smooth and flowing. Her cadence is predictable and her accessing, which is where we look to access information. Greg talks about this a lot.  So she looks to her right to access most information. And she typically uses both hands to gesture. So whether that's baseline or not, we'll see in the next few videos. And I think you'll maybe be surprised. Scott, what do you got? All right, she's very relaxed at this point. I think there's a little bit of stress when you first get on an interview when you're on and we've all done that, where you get on your first kind of, it's kind of odd, you're feeling your way through it. Although she's been in this guy's course or whatever, apparently it is poker course. There's that excited kind of adrenaline thing when it first starts because you want to act like you're the, hey, this is the place to be. So we're seeing that. But after that, she's she's really she's really smooth with her illustrator. She's loping right along as she's talking and loping is when you you talk in a flow and things just go right along almost like a horse through a field. It's my riding and loping through a field. Everything looks smooth. And I agree with you that little shoulder shrug that lets us know that she's not confident about that because she's only been playing as a pro for like a year or something. I think I read, haven't read a whole lot about this at all. But that's my understanding of it. And I think that's what that single shoulder shrug is about. Everything looks as it should to me at this point. Obviously it would because there's really nothing in play here as far as as fine as she's being deceptive about how she feels about something. So I think it's everything is as it should be at this point. I think it's a good baseline. Mark, what do you got? Yeah, nothing, nothing much new there, all the same stuff. Yeah, that big shoulder shrug, that's what it feels like. This on that idea of it being a school exam. They're they're kind of very young ideas. And I think she's hinting at this thing of I'm pretty new to this. And I feel a bit nervous about it. You know, the only thing I will add is she's got some good gestures, big gestures, but the elbows are tucked right in. And this, for me, just exacerbates this idea of she's showing up, you know, on this show, I guess, with quite a lot of confidence. But I think underlying that is a little bit of a sense of being a novice, being being at an important examination coming up. And does she really know exactly what she's doing? She's not showing up to work, having had years of doing this work. She's a student. She's doing a big exam that's coming up. And it's it's nerves of that. Oh, one last thing. The uptalk, you know, up with inflection in there. That's cultural. I don't think we need to pay much attention to that. That I would be expecting that of somebody American or in American, especially female of her age. We're going to get a lot of uptalk. No problem with that. But I did like that when you when you told me that there is a because I used to think it was really really not the best positive outlook for anybody to be like seen inside out as on screen. Yeah. Well, your game is exposed. Yeah. Yeah, it's the only way that you even you're able to evaluate yourself to see where you're exactly. Yeah. But what your tells are, I didn't think I had tells. Yeah. I thought I could put her face that apparently I don't. So yeah, and it's like I've been working with you, coaching you.  I try to have you repeat them so I can tell if you have the takeaways or not. And then you're kind of out playing and I don't have a lot of visibility on like if you're implementing them well or not. And then with the live stream, we just get that instant feedback. So that's that's really cool. I also think like playing online where you have hand histories and then you could share hand histories with other students or with me or whatever. That's another way to get the visibility. But the live streams on another level. Yeah. Yeah, it is.  Sometimes I'm like, I hope I got what that person bet right when I'm writing them down. And sometimes when I when I like don't remember it, I'm like, well, it's all here. And I thought that a certain hand fade out a certain way and I go back and watch you like, oh, you know, like, well, she folded aces. I'm like, no, I didn't. If you don't know who we are with the behavior panel and I'm Scott Rouse, my body language expert and analyst, and I train law enforcement in the military and interrogation and body language. And I created the number one online body language course, body language tactics with Greg Hartley. Mark. I'm Mark Bowden. I'm an expert in human behavior and body language, help people all over the world to stand out, win trust, gain credibility. Every time they communicate, including some of the leaders of the G7, Chase. Hey, I'm Chase Hughes, the 20 years of the US military, with the number one bestselling book in behavior profiling, influence and persuasion. And I teach people that today, Greg. Greg Hartley, I'm a former army interrogator, interrogation instructor, resistance to interrogation instructor. I've written 10 books on body language and behavior and put together this number one body language tactics.com course with Scott.  Chase, what do you got? So just to pay attention to this one, to how she moved her head and where her gaze went when she's saying, you get to see your mistakes. I don't know yet, but something tells me this might come up in a couple of videos. And when she's saying, I didn't know, I thought I had a good poker face. Everyone exposes stuff during poker. And no matter how good you are at recognizing and maintaining your own body language, you are a human being. As far as I know that you're a human being. And there's nothing much here relating to the cheating scandal at all. So I will. For now, I'm going to treat this video as a baseline establishment tool and a baseline is just a person's normal behavior under non stressful situations, potentially or ostensibly telling the truth. And these behaviors will be compared by me to the ones coming up in the next few videos, and that's what you're going to see. Mark, what do you got? Yeah, the same. So here's what I see in a baseline is she kind of rolls on and rolls on. There's a great speed to everything. She's filling space and she has to grab these breaths in order to create more content and fill the space and fill the space. Because I think she understands that she's on some kind of YouTube show or some kind of seminar that she is there as somebody of status because she's been winning some games and she needs to fill the space for her mentor there and to make a good show. And so you get all of this stuff going on. That's really all I see in that. That and it doesn't feel to me from what she's saying that she has a great memory for some of the detail of her games. And that seems a bit of it. If we take that as a baseline, she doesn't have a lot of memory for great detail of what happens in her games and maybe makes mistakes. I thought I did this. It actually turns out I did something else. Greg, what do you got on this one? Yeah, so in this baseline, what we see and guys, when we say baseline, there's no such thing as flat lining for people. And by that, I mean, any time you're interacting with another person, there's no normal. So whatever is causing something to go in your head is going to give you kind of what's normal for persons trying to hide something later. We look for that or deviation. We look at that. The baseline here is she interrupts her own flow of speech by adding context and texture to make things more fluid, to be more clear about what she means. That will matter later as we start looking at what she has to say. She moves around a fair amount when she's illustrating what she's thinking.  That's no poker face to me, but then again, I'm pretty stoic in my face. And I got an interrogator face. So poker face can be different things to different people. She nods to get approval. There's an interesting one where she does a lip compression when he says, I'm not there and I can't see you. I've taught you, but I'm not there and I can't see you. She doesn't lip compression, which is kind of interesting. And then she drops down into her right, which we typically associate with emotional eye accessing when asked how many of the group coaching sessions have you been to? So we're getting a good feel for how she interacts with people when she's not putting on a face. We'll see something different a little bit later. Scott, what do you got? Yeah, and I agree with the guys about the poker face. Joe Navarro Navarro always says you can have a poker face, but you can't have a poker body. And that's true, especially in this situation. And Mark, you nailed it when you said that that she's her memory for her plays and those types of things that comes into play as we know later on. That's really important. And I think realizing that she's she's not a beginner because she's in this this course with this guy and all that. She's obviously a very good player. She hadn't been in the game that long. So I think we're seeing somebody coming out like we were talking about earlier before we started when when fighting somebody who has never fought much, Greg, that's the one you really want to watch out for because they're going to do stuff you're not ready for. Things you're not you're not prepared for. And that's what I think we see as well. But along in here, she's still just loping right along. She's talking seems very free with what she's she's with her illustrators. Everything seems to be as it should be in this situation. So I don't see anything odd or anything out of place. And I think it's a good baseline for her conversation with somebody she knows anyway. So I think it was pretty good to go around. That's a poker name. No, but it's first name throughout. To take the attention off there, we should go around the table and everybody's health fill their their their favorite Phil Ivey moment. Please don't go around the table. I'll start with mine. I'll do my favorite moment. Was I think when Jason Mercer first came on the scene and then you guys played on high six poker. He came in like wearing like all this like like really weird. Like he had like sunglasses on and like I think that was like the first time you were playing with him. Chase, what do you got? This is a great club here. This woman is living outside of her skin in a character. There's a strong reactivity to attention and just this hyper awareness of status and hierarchy. It's exactly what we're seeing right here in this video. When she tosses her cards, this behavior is classic, false or fake disinterest with some kind of a need to appear superior and relaxed, except you're not those things. You're kind of acting that out. And you see this pacifying thumb rubbing on the hand right there for reassurance and the immediate lip piercing afterwards. And this is a social behavior learned through social media. And what I mean by this is that it's a it's not a Malian behavior like we've evolved into this. It's a false display that has gained popularity very similar to the vocal fry. It's fake when people try to sound smart or maybe superiorly, if that's a word, disengaged. And I think we get a chance in this video to see her living in front of her eyes instead of behind them. I think on this podcast that we just looked at, she was behind her eyes.  And I've seen thousands of people in my life receive information on concealed earphones or bone conduction speakers. This is interestingly similar. And I'm not saying that there's anything going on just yet. I'm not sure if the claim is directly about that or not. But I have seen a lot of that. I know Greg has too, so I'll call on him next. Greg, what do you got? Yeah, I think what we're seeing here, this is a complex bunch of body language. But a great first one right out of the gate because she purses her lips as she falls. Now, that could be disapproval at the cards or it could be disapproval at the banter going on because at the center of the tension here is that guy, the guy who just becomes all about over time. So she's pursed her lips about something and we know that has to do with disapproval.  But there's also a rapid movement.  But there's also rigid posture, which makes me think there's irritation. And if you're that irritated over two cards, that's pretty unusual if you play cards all the time. So it may be bigger. There may be something else going on. We can't tell what causes aggravation. We can see the symptoms and I see symptoms. Slamming your cards down could be baseline. Some people do that. Some people. And in my exposure, like my wife is she would throw things down. I'm like, you're so small to make so much noise. It's funny to me. Some people do that. Is there behavior to slam things down rather than simply place them? So we can't read into it. We can just say rigid, disapproval, aggravation. Where's it coming from? Mark, what do you got? So I see nonverbal communication of insecurity and it doesn't complete and she goes in to do something else. It's no surprise that then there is I hope my internet connection is unstable, it says. So I'm going to start start freezing, freezing on your hands down. Too late. So so she also has that sour taste before she folds. So it's not surprising that she folds because I think that was indicated by that incomplete gesture that happened there. Also, her movements are not fluid. They're staccato. And so all of this leads me to think in this particular situation she is unconfident about the hand that she has or what she is doing. Generally there. Interesting to see a very big change in what she is wearing. So there is very much a sense of potentially putting on a costume. Her showing up as the high status Vegas poker player that we would expect. The shot goes from her to somebody wearing a big white steps and hat.  There's maybe some more confident, mature players there that are dressed in black and not trying to be that more gregarious, bigger character on the on the frame there. Scott, what do you got on this one? All right. Obviously, we see stress because it's in the middle of the game. There's a lot going on there. Her posture is fairly rigid and she's got that head cocked aside. And I think when she throws her cards, I think that's frustration. I think we're seeing her frustrated with that guy. I think he's getting on her nerves. And I think that's frustration. I think the first lips there are part of that as well. That's part of her frustration. She what just happened, she doesn't agree with that. Usually suggests we or indicates we don't agree with what just happened. What we just heard or what's been presented at that point. So I think we're seeing frustration. And I don't think I think she's just uncomfortable in a nutshell. That's what we're seeing at that point. So that's a poker name. No, but it's first name throughout. To take the attention off there, we should go around the table and everybody's health filled. They're their favorite feel Ivy moment. Please don't go around the table. I'll start with me. I'll do me. I'm done. So my favorite moment was, I think, when Jason Mercer first came on the scene and then you guys played on high six poker. He came in like wearing like all this like, like really weird. Like he had like sunglasses on and like, I think that was like the first time you were playing with him.  It's wine versus wine and Garrett here is flopped a straight flush draw. Ten, ten, nine with a couple clubs. It's going to bet twenty five hundred. Wow, and Robbie's going to call here with Jack four with the jack of clubs. Turn is a three puts back to her hearts down. And this is usually when Garrett will lay the hammer down. With combo drive. He's going to bet ten thousand. I think Robbie should have probably been out of his hand preflop. She's got a one club and one heart. And wow, look at this. What is she thinking about here? She's going to raise it. We saw her raise Ace King a little bit ago for a min raise here. She's going to mean click. Jack four. And you know, Garrett is just so experienced. I would hold on to my face. That's how often when she do this with the ten, could he possibly bet three bet here? I mean, she just mean click the turn. All right, Mark, what do you got? Yeah, so the rhythm that her hands have when she's maneuvering chips or cards is very different from the rest of the rhythm of her body. I'd say the rest of the rhythm of her body is smooth. The the handling of other things is staccato. This would suggest that she is unsure about what she has. I only say that simply because I've read a few papers on on poker. And the only discernible science around what is a good tell is how somebody pushes in their chips. Is it staccato or is it smooth? I'd say she's she's maneuvering the the the items, the objects around her in a more staccato way. Rather than a smooth way. So I would suggest, you know, part of her is trying to present the idea of confidence, yet underlying that is unconfidence. She she does this this scratch idea. I can't quite tell what she's saying there, but I think she's she's playing around with the idea that that's a tell that she might have. I think the the guy across from her does a lip retraction on that. She mirrors that lip retraction. So I don't think he's buying what she's selling on that scratch. And I think she worries that or mirrors that that not buying that he has unconsciously. I think she's unconfident. He's not buying what she's selling around this. It makes her even more unconfident. That's what I take from this. Chase, what do you got on it? Yeah, I think this is an attempt here to gain social acceptance of the mask that she is wearing here. We saw a completely different person, completely different behavior in the podcast than we see here. Clothing, appearance, behavior, mannerisms, speech, everything is wildly different. And maybe this guy that she is hoping to react to her isn't just a title to reaction there. And you can see the smile kind of fall off her face as she realizes she's not having much of an impact. And then she scans the table to see if it worked on anyone else. And that's what I'm seeing so far. We're going to dive into this over the next few videos. And I think it's going to surprise you about what's actually going on here. Scott, what do you got? All right. Again, Joe Navarro says you can have poker face, but you can't have a poker body. And that's what we're seeing here as well, because we're seeing she gets stressed up a little bit in this spot. And so does the guy, Garrett. When she when she raises, that's when he becomes uncomfortable and he gets really still. And you can see those eyes darting around as he's thinking about what's happening. So that lets us know that there's that he believes something's he's trying to to decide what cards she has left or what she should have left or what's left in her hand. His posture locks and he's he's calculating at that point. Then she protects her cards with both hands. So I think it's the first time we see this might be the only time we see you do the two hand protection. Nobody else is doing it. Everybody else uses one. They just cover it with one hand she uses two. And I think she knows that this move she just did bothers Garrett. And I think the whole thing with the the hands, you know, with scratching her face and all that, I think she knows she's she's made him mad or that something's not right there. And that that lip compression she does, I think that's what for me, that was the key that said she said, whoops, I've made this I'm made him mad. And I think she feels like he's the alpha in that situation. And and she's lower than him there at that point, because she has been playing forever. You know, even she was talking about that with their with her card coach a few minutes ago. So I think she's she's feeling the non alpha position she has while she's trying to be alpha. I think you're right, she's got this personality she's thrown in there to be her card playing personality. We use personalities when we go in to interrogate somebody. I don't go in goof around talking to them. We were very different when we go in and do that. People go, oh, you're so nice. You're so this. How can you do that? And you're not like that at all. When you when you do that's a completely different person you use. And I hate to say it like that. I hate to say that you use, but it doesn't. It doesn't start like that. It you start with a completely different person up front. I think that's what she's doing, which makes sense. Greg, what do you got? Yeah, she has a persona for sure. How she dresses, everything she's doing is intentional. You can't miss that. No, look, these guys are professionals and they make a ton of money doing this stuff. They lose a ton of money too, but they make a ton of money. This is the hand that everything is all revolving around. And so all the cards stuff aside. If you don't know a thing about poker, that matter. What we're really looking at is the human behavior piece. This after that first call, meaning when he puts up an amount of money and she puts up and matches him, watch her lips. She does a quick disapproval thing at first or lips. Makes me wonder, did she look at her cards and go? Oops. Oops. Now I've got how much money on the table. What do I do? Do I abandon it or do I go with it? This could be the crux of the matter right here. There's something going on her head that shows me that. I'll stop it on that part of it and then say, I do think she thinks this is her poker face. That kind of smiley thing she's doing. And the only problem with that is it changes to your point where Joe says you can't have a poker body. You also can't have a poker face unless you've got a lot of practice at it.  That's why my very blank face is a good interrogation face because you don't have anything to think about.  Her respiration is calm and easy to follow. She doesn't look too jacked up on adrenaline or that. He is watching her and then he goes down, left, down, right, down, left, down, right. He's rifling through his brain. There's probably a combination of thinking about the combinations of cards. And look, let's face it, poker is a fair amount of gut to go along with what you should do. And a lot of fast experience. When she's talking about her face scratch, that's a real big myth in poker is that people touch their face when they're feeling uncomfortable or telling. I read a whole bunch of stuff recently around that. And I think she's calling out. She doesn't intentionally, she doesn't do it and then say, I'm scratching my face.  That is an interesting piece of what she's doing, playing some kind of psychology to try to get what she wants.  She's playing the game. But then she does something. And if you're watching this, this is a tale. You need to pay attention to it. She holds her jaw open as she fishes for what he believed. We're gonna see it more than one time in her videos. And I think it's telling us that she's trying to play a fake. Now, whether at this point, she knows she only has a jack which is not a very good hand or whether she still thinks she has a jack three is the question we'll hear later. I think what we're seeing is she's discovered she's got a problem. And that setting her jaw is trying to see if he's falling for it. It's all I got.  And Garrett here has flopped a straight flush draw, 10, 10, nine with a couple of clubs. He's gonna bet 2,500. Wow.  Turn is a three puts back to her hearts down. And this is usually when Garrett will lay the hammer down with combo guys. He's gonna bet 10,000. I think Robbie should have probably been out of his hand pre-flop. She's got a one club and one heart. And wow, look at this. What is she thinking about here? She's gonna raise it. We saw her raise Ace King a little bit ago for a min-raise. Here she's gonna min-click jack four. And you know Garrett is just so experienced.  That's what I got. How often would she do this with a 10? Could he possibly bet three bet here? I mean, she just min-clicked the turn. If he calls, it could be about two pot size bets left. So I think that's what's gotta be going through his head here. I think he's considering bet three betting. Yup, there's the all-in. There's the all-in. Garrett, like I said, he's just so experienced in bet patterns, bet sizing. She sort of acted a little bit with jack-aided diamonds from a few rounds ago. She's gonna put a nine-ship out. All right, Greg, what do you got? Yeah, I'm gonna be really short on this one. She does have a pretty good poker face here.  She's not making a lot of facial expressions. She's not doing a lot, but she barriers and shrinks after the time-ship goes. And she puts that down to pause for a minute. She goes to internal and she's actually having some kind of a conversation there, which is why I wonder if she has not played something wrong and realizes it. Look, if I'm cheating and I know that I've got the upper hand, I'm gonna be like, yeah, here's my chips. I'm gonna be a lot more aggressive than pausing. Now that could be part of an overall plan. Do we think she's that? Or do we think she's just stopped and pausing and thinking, do I go all in? Do I stop right here and lose my 60,000 or whatever I get on the table? That's what I got. Scott, what do you got? All right, again, she's completely covering her cards. So what else is doing like that? I don't know if it comes from being fairly new. I know she's not a newbie, but she hadn't been playing professionally for a long time. I think a year, like I said before. So I don't know if that comes from that or what, or nervousness. Her posture's still pretty stiff and her head's moving slow. She's got it cocked over there to the side. Then she leaves things forward and brings her chest out. I think she's trying to be, to show she's aggressive, take a little bit of turf at this point with everything. Their chin comes up and that exposes her neck. And it's sort of like the opposite of what you think would be going on here with their barriers and everything. Cause I think she's using, she's barriering against this guy as well. I think that's subconscious. So I think it's, I still think she's a little, not as frustrated as she was, but I think she's trying to figure something out in there. Obviously she's in a situation where she's trying to figure out what cards everybody has and all that. I think there's another level of figuring something else out that's going on. But the way as calm as she is, and everybody else is moving around and moving cards and chips and playing with things, and she's being really, really still. So I think she's got a lot of thinking going on up there. All right, Mark, what do you got? Yeah, you know, I think the double card, the double hands on the card, Scott, is probably because it gives her the benefit of being able to cover fingers at the same time. And that for me would suggest there's something nervous there. I'm not going to suggest she's trying to hide this ring that wasn't in the last match, or I don't think it's anything to do with... No, it could be. I mean, honestly, yes, it could be, but my bias would go towards the benefit is she gets to touch her joints here and also self-soothe a little bit here. So I think it's about nervousness there that the other players just don't have at this point in their careers or in this particular game. I think she is quite good at keeping still on most of that, but even when she's still, go back and you will see the lips move as they're making decisions. So I think there's a lot running in her head at this point. More than there should be if you knew what the other person had in my book anyway. I think she then settles on her action, and that's when we see her launch forward, but with the hand in the face, again, that feels quite protected. Doesn't seem super confident. And though I think you're absolutely right, Scott, there is an advantage to that gesture that she's never taking up space. She's broadened her shoulders. She's taking up territory. It is deflated at the same time and protective at the same time. So I think, for me, it has that double whammy of a gesture of she protects herself. She takes up space. I think I see a decision in this. Chase, what do you have on this one? There's one thing that bugged me a lot in this video. There's a strange nod where she's nodding right in the middle of this clip. I'm not sure if anyone was even speaking to her, but you see her nodding in the middle of the clip. I think that's very unusual. And there's some very deliberate leaning going on here. The movements of her eyes, face, and body are very much like watching someone playing a character. And in my estimation, I think someone told her to do this. This is like you asked an average actress to play Jessica Rabbit with little to no training on the role at all. We're seeing a Jessica Rabbit impersonation here. That's all I got. I think that her head nodding is her jiggling her leg under her table. I do that all the time. And it makes me jiggle like that. I'll collect about Parkinson's or something. But I think it's from jiggling her leg. It's an up and down nod. Is it this? Yeah, yeah. Okay. All right, well, I think she does it again later. If she does it again, let's pay attention. I'm gonna move on, man. Later. You gotta take this class. It's too late. If he calls, it could be about two pot size that's left, so I mean, that's what's gotta be going through his head here. I think he's considering that three betting and yup. There's the all in. There's the all in. Garrett, like I said, he's just so experienced in that patterns, that sizing. She sort of acted a little bit with jacketed diamonds from a few rounds ago. Just gonna put a tiny chip out.  And she took some time with it. And then she said, I just want to call to see it. I think he might have me wrong. Three smell good? This is why you shouldn't be in the hands like this. She doesn't have a three. You want me to call you? I don't know what she's thinking about here because she loses to some bluffs like queen, queen jack types of things too. She calls? Her wants, but it's up to you. Oh my God. So far so good. What is going on here? For once, but it's up to you. Is it possible that her hand might be misread in the card graphics or something? Because I was shitting her. You do? Yikes. Okay. No, I just thought he's, I'm, I'm, I'm, this is a pure block capture. With jack high. But, but yeah, I don't, I don't have. I think he has. All right. Greg, what do you got? Yeah, it's a pretty good one because here we see that. Job thrust thing again that she does way back before and this signals to me, what do you think now, whether she's doing it intentionally or it is part of when she's trying to bluff. Certainly it's when she's trying to bluff because she's done bluffs twice. She did it at touching my face and then she says threes are no good. Those are both bluffs and she says something about having a bluff catcher. All she means there is I've got either a high card or like a couple of hands or small pair. All she's after is trying to get reaction from this guy. And you can see that back and forth that banter and that engaging. You want me to call and let's do it twice. And he goes, no, no, no. And then he gets this nervous smile. She does go back to real poker face. She really does have a poker face there where she's quiet, not doing a whole lot. Then she shows a very nervous smile. That's not certainty. It's not Mark. I think what you said just a minute ago, if you're certain the smile is a little more dark, a little more insidious. This is not that. This is not a smile of certainty. She shrinks and she's looking over the table. Now let's face it. Some of that could be her advantage. She could be doing the fact she's one of the few women in the business and the way she's dressed. All that could play into what her entire ploy is. But she shrinks. She looks over the table. She talks about the bluff catcher. Then she puts her hand to her mouth and starts to adapt. This is the first time that we see respiration increasing her. And it's pretty remarkable and you can notice it. And then she goes back to the uncertainty of this whole thing. You just can't miss it. The nervous smile is more the same. I don't see a person who's confident they're winning. Now, if she's got some signaling device, could she be nervous about the signaling device? Sure. Same effect. But I think we're seeing more of the other way and you would be stupid to prolong if there's the opportunity for you to do it quicker and to get moved because the longer you have to hide something like that kind of signaling, the more difficult it becomes. That's what I got. Chase, what do you got? Greg, please just really quickly give us an example of why these announcers are saying because of Jack high or whatever that means. Can you explain it? I don't understand it very well. Yeah. So guys in cards, I'm just going to make it very simple. I know enough about poker to be dangerous. I play, I'm a rudimentary. But the thing is the more cards you have that are alike is the easiest way to think about poker. If I've got one card and it's the highest card possible and everybody else has one card. And it's below me, I win. But if they've got two cards, even if it's low numbers and I've got one that's an ace, they still win. So as you move up, the lowest possible winning hand is going to be a high card. Then it goes to a pair, then to two pair, then to three of a kind, then a full house. And all those numbers are about having more cards that are alike or having a straight or cards like four, five, six, seven, eight, that kind of thing. So that's what they're talking about. The chances of her knowing that she's got a really good hand compared to other people are extremely low. Oh, no, there's no way she thinks this is a great hand. The only thing she can possibly think, like you said earlier, is she had the jack. And if she thought there was a three, now she's got a pair. And that's still what she's talking about a bluff catcher. So at the end of the day, she'd have to think he has nothing or she's going to bluff her way through it. Okay. So in this, thank you for that, by the way, for all of us and all the people that are watching like me. In this video, there's a lot more smushing going on with the table here. And I think this is for effect. And it's sadly not getting much of a reaction from the crowd. And if you see Jessica Rabbit, she always gets an effect, but she doesn't search for the effect afterwards. And there's one key moment here that no poker player can ever hide.  When she's asked if she actually does have a crappy hand, then someone begins talking to her. And at this moment, when this person starts talking to her, her head snaps toward that person rapidly. This is high social stress. The rapid motion of the head is opposite of Jessica Rabbit. She's feeling tremendous social pressure for some reason right here. Scott, what do you got? I think she's feeling that pressure because she doesn't understand what just happened. I think maybe she's like, what am I right? Am I wrong? I won, right? Is that what's happening? I think that's what that, I think that's what that's from. And she's still leaning forward and she's being fairly still. And that rocking, I think you might be right about the other one and chasing. This is a completely different situation and her leg is going back and forth. So she's rocking back and forth at this point, not nodding.  And then she puts her hand in her chin. I think she's adapting at this point because she's nervous. And we can see her breathing rate goes up a little bit. And her body language has changed a little bit because her breathing rate is shallow even though she's breathing faster, still shallow. Her smile is a little bit too big and she leans in a little bit more like you were saying Chase, but it's too far into the table. You know, it's too, it's too much confidence at that point. But she maybe she feels confident because maybe she knows she just did win that. And when she calls, he smiles and gets all giddy because he thinks he's going to win at that point. He's like, Oh, I got this now, man. I'm going to clean house on this. I think he's under the impression that he just won. And I think she rubs it in and that's what makes it even worse. So she's using her again, her lips and chin as an adapter because she's nervous. I don't think she really understands what I'll maybe in play at this point outside of what's supposed to be in play. I think the social part of it Chase is starting to come into play now. She feels the heat coming from that guy and other people kind of getting stiffen it up and looking around and getting quiet in this situation. All right, Mark, what do you got? Yeah, so it's interesting. Isn't it that kind of repetitive beat like nodding that's going on there? Is it that internally in her mind she's singing along to Mr. Blue Sky because she's, you know, she thinks she has a winning hand. It's possible. Or is it self soothing? Is it that repetitive motion of I don't know what the hell is going on here, but I know I can move my body back and forwards and being in control of that. What else does it go along with? We've got the head to the side there. That seems relaxed. That seems calm. But then all of this falls, like you said, Scott, into the hand and then everything falls forward onto the table. I agree. I think there's some properties around that which are to gain attention and also to close space and be a little bit more aggressive. Okay. But all of that, all of that, gravity is winning on all of this. On all of this, she is getting smaller and gravity is winning. And so I would bias on this towards she's not confident right now. Now, could you be in a moment of cheating and not be confident because you worry you're going to get caught or could it be just a great act of unconfidence? Yeah, it could be all of those things. But based on what we've seen so far, my bias is going towards, no, she's just done confident that this is the right way to go on this, that she could well lose big with this. She said that she thought Garrett had a draw that a few, about 20 minutes ago, Garrett had the full house, the queen four against Jackie. And she took some time with it. And then she said, I don't want to call to see it. I think he might have me wrong. Three smell good? This is why you shouldn't be in the hands like this. She doesn't have a three. So... You want me to call you? I don't know what she's thinking about here because she loses to some bluffs like king, queen, queen jack types of things too. I don't know. She calls? For once, but it's up to you. Yikes. Oh, my God. What is going on here? For once, but it's up to you. Is it possible that her hand might be misread in the card graphics or something? Because I was shitting on him. You do? Yikes. With jack high? We'll go to the river. The river is a nine. They're going to run it twice. She's good with the first one. If the cards are correct. And the river breaks out again. Oh, my God. I want to see... Does she have jack four? What? Whoa, that's... Look at Garrett's face. That was sick. That was sick. That is super, super strange. You can see his reaction. Let me coach you. What is this? Ma'am? Very nice to see you.    He wants to bomb it. I was not in the hand. I want to bomb it. Wow. I'm speechless. I'm speechless.  All right, Chase, what do you got? I have almost no idea what all this talk is about. We had to pause this video while we were just watching it so Greg could explain this to me. She's explaining herself out of guilt for something she's done but doesn't want to say or she's still struggling for social acceptance here, which I think we already know is her normal behavior and she's covertly scanning back and forth across the table for agreement or support from somebody else. You can see her head even scanning the entire table. The last half of this little clip, she's covering her throat right here. This is a fear behavior. We're protecting arteries. We're protecting vital organs when we have fear. No idea what the poker stuff means. I'll tell you that I don't know that. I'll let you make the interpretations and the comments and let these guys do the poker stuff. Mark, what do you think? There's definitely some self-soothing into the chest area. On the chain there, some mouth masking. I think there's a shoulder smooth there. There's a nose rub. There's a little bit of disgust as well. There's some self-soothing on the hand. I mean, there's a massive amount of behaviors there that suggest a lot of worry around what is happening right now. She shifts in the chair. She does an exit check as well, I believe. She goes for water. She goes for resources. Again, a lot of stress in this situation here. My understanding is that poker theory says there are six ways for her to win and 150 ways for her to lose. So anybody who knows statistics wouldn't be still in the game at this point. Maybe it's sunk cost. That's a piece of behavior. There's a piece of a heuristic which is if you put resource in and put resource in you are most likely to keep on putting in resource. Any poker player sitting there is hoping that all the other players who are new to the game will just sink cost behind hands that have no statistical chance of being a winning hand. She does have the winning hand right now because he doesn't have the winning hand. I think she calls out that this is what you do. You've done this a number of times online as well. So she seems to call out that this is a behavior that she has tracked from him that often he doesn't have the greatest hand. Though there are more ways for him to win than there were for her. But stress there, what is that stress about? Well, we've got some more videos coming up and let's investigate. Scott, what have you got on this one? I totally agree with you. She's completely stressed here. She's adapting with her hands that are necklace and everything. She's going back and forth. She's covering her throat. That's getting that whole that's fear at that point. But he's at this point still relaxed. He's still displaying all that moving around and laughing and being all giddy and stuff. He's talking freely. He's pretty excited about everything. And then after she shows her cards, she rubs her nose. Now a lot of people are going to think that indicates deception. And that's someone who's being an absolutist. We know that's not true.  Just because you do anything specific doesn't mean it means that every time you see it. When people cross their arms, sometimes it means they're more comfortable. It can be cold in there. But just because she scratches her nose, it doesn't mean that she's being deceptive. She doesn't, I think, as an adapter because she feels the heat building at this point. His demeanor changes immediately when she throws those down. And he slows down. The smile goes away instantly and he sort of freezes.  I think he can believe it at this point. And I don't think she can either, to be honest with you. Because she freezes and kind of grimaces. We see that at that point because she's like, oh no, is this right? Is this wrong? Whether she knew what card she had if it was a three or four, whatever it was, maybe she did mistake that. But I think she's thinking, oh no, I'm not sure exactly what's happened here. I think that's what Jackson stressed up a lot as well.  That's where most of her adaptions have been happening. A lot of it with her hands and her rings at this point, like Mark was talking about earlier.  She's been messing with him and now he's mad. And she's like, oh no, he really is mad. And I'm not sure she understands how to handle somebody doing that to her, especially a guy in this situation. I think she's the only girl at the table, a woman, excuse me, at the table. So that's got to be uncomfortable for her in the first place. But to have what I'm mad at you visibly that is palpable and having all this confusion look on his face and all this, that's making her stress go through the roof as well. And even the Asian player he's fiddling around with his chips. I think everybody's a little bit nervous because they can feel the tension building in there. So I think for everybody in there, it's a little bit odd, but especially for her and she's showing it. Greg, what do you got? Yeah, a couple of things. There's an interesting thing where she raises her brow in recognition. Now we associate when a person goes like this and they recognize something. I want you to tell me what you think that is. It's either when they drop the cards but it's odd. Of all the body language I've seen this entire thing I want to watch that over and over and over and figure out why she's actually doing that rise of her brow. There's some reason. Tell me what you think. I'm going to spend more time with it and keep analyzing and figure it out.  We say adapting. That's the way of releasing nervous energy and making yourself comfortable. We say adapters are more likely to become habits than anything else. And by the way your habits that are adapters are the most likely to become your tail. It's a way you pacify or comfort yourself. He gets angry. Now angry can come from more than one reason. It could be he feels cheated or humiliated. He might not even understand why.  You could feel really, really awkward suddenly. Feelings are feelings. I said this to Scott earlier. I've been doing sword stuff for a long time I did like Taekwondo when I was young and your best chance of getting hurt when you're fighting is not the experienced fighter because they're not going to take a chance and open their neck for you to hit with a sword. It's the young guy who has no idea what he's doing and just goes, what comes at you like crazy next thing you know they mark your points a good one. They don't understand the calculated risk. I'm not saying she doesn't understand cards. She clearly understands cards. I think she's more into it. Scott, even then you're giving her credit for her. I think she knows she's committed too much and Mark, she may realize hey I got all my resource tied up and I'll lose everything what the hell and if I win, I win. Now, he had a better chance than winning in the beginning, but at the end that matters. She had the high card and Chase, he does what you're always describing as transderivational search. I go, I don't know where to look is the same thing in his head is where he's going. He's not looking at people.  She then goes into lockdown like she's all comfortable, you know, locked down like this. Watch your respiration increase and her blink rate go up and she starts rubbing her right cheek with her thumb to adapt. Why? Well, there's all kinds of reason that could be if you've ever been in a meeting at work where two people blow up you didn't have to be the people that blow up. You start looking for ways to comfort self and look for ways to appear to be normal when you're not. So think of that for a minute. Now, here's what creates all the suspicion about cheating with a vibrating ring in the entire show. See that red ring she's got on. She rotates she's playing with it and she turns away and rotates the ring away from her outside of her hand and back into her palm. That is the reason everybody is saying she cheated they think that somebody was giving her a vibration signal simply to say you have a better hand. That's all you'd have to know. So can we tell that by doing what we're doing? No, we can look and say why is she doing this? It is interesting that when she turns back she does a threat check from under the brow of this guy makes good contact to figure out am I in danger from this guy? Is that normal? Absolutely normal. Not saying she didn't cheat not saying she did cheat at this point but that all of that we expect when there's a heated interchange that way if he had just sat there and said damn you got me we would have seen something entirely different. We'll go to the river. The river is a nine. That one's you for sure. It's twice interesting. Do you have a small pair?  I don't know. She's good with the first one. Turn him over. If the cards are correct. And the river breaks out again. Oh my God. Oh my God. I didn't I want to see does she have jack for? Whoa that's look at Garrett's face that is that is super super strange you can see his reaction like what is man very nice stupid Jacob you look like you want to kill me you look like you want to kill me everyone wants to bomb it I was not in the hand I want to bomb it Wow I'm speechless I mean usually Garrett would be fairly congratulatory if somebody made a hero call like that but if somebody made a hero call like that but he seems somewhat disturbed here by what just happened I don't It's literally like the sort of most disturbed look that I've ever seen Garrett give and obviously the reason why he would be that how can she call like maybe he thinks that she saw his hand somehow or I don't know nothing nothing the flop goes bet call the turn goes bet raise what do you mean like great 1,283 20,000 many days before the flop 1,283 I don't understand sort of what's happening right now this isn't a club if my Jack was in a club I would have been out what do you mean if your Jack was in a club Jack Walker you know you've let me do this to you several times now yeah I don't know I'm just testing it this doesn't seem super funny to me when you got that high I don't need to say it I thought you were on ace high ace high Jack high then first of all no no no on the turn though so you called all in on the turn because cause you don't have that's right she thinks you can't be a jack high it's not about what I have it's about what I don't think you have when you play against me you didn't think you had Jack coming to clubs 75 you let me do this to you post stream too I keep letting me I mean obviously I'll just say Gary thinks this hand was not straight in some way this is the most disturbed I've ever seen going at the table and I don't think and I think Andy is disturbed too he doesn't he looked over there and was like what just happened here and that's the only one that gets lucky sometimes Garrett you don't have to get that upset alright Mark what do you got yeah so he's now taking in a lot of data watch his eyes move around and also he's got an open mouth I would say of surprise like he is let's just say a little bit dumbstruck by this he doesn't know what to do at this point he doesn't know what to say at this point just getting in data and trying to process it but no decisions at this point she is still is still being suppressed a little by gravity but now the fingers are right outside they're spread fingers so there's way more confidence I think she's displaying status by getting her gold and reeling it out in front of everybody it's now you know at the same time I think there's some self soothing going on there it plays two roles self soothe, protect but also go look at the gold look how rich I am look how I managed to score on that one also big displays of teeth as well to go look at those those are super shiny displaying of the neck as well and smoothing it to go look at all that neck area there that you can't come in and attack I think there's a big display there of going look I'm the winner there and you can't come across the table and get me so it just seems like confidence to me Chase come back with us what do you got well hello I think this explaining and defending is now getting kind of way overboard for her behavior I think there's extreme guilt or extreme embarrassment it's maybe extreme guilt or embarrassment here either way there's absolutely stress and a feeling of social isolation here social isolation injures her the most because that's what she searches the table for is connection and getting some kind of validation from other people and she's trying to explain and justify to regain group approval here and she's under a lot of what Mark might say stress and pressure great what do you got yeah I think what we're seeing when you talk about this confidence I think it's artificial confidence and what I think it is is artificial normalcy after an altercation people often will get into that point where they need to make things appear to be normal and one of the things they'll do she's doing what I call ruffling her plumage and in people we all do it where I'm wanting to let's say an altercation with a guy when I was younger and more physical then we'll strut around and be a little bit more physical we all try to get back to some kind of normal but it's wooden and rigid and not normal so this oversized movement that she's doing is a way to comfort and I think you're dead on with that but if you look at her she looks at him as a threat clearly and she's identified it now now she's starting to feel like she can say something to him and she starts to say things to him down she'll get more clear as the next videos come but he's searching for the possibilities and how could that be you can see him he's looking around your point mark he's looking for intake he's looking for and it probably doesn't help that these guys are snickering about him getting paddled by somebody with a jack so that makes it worse for him which makes it worse and if you think about again at work even if you're not in the altercation if two people ramp up you're trying to find normal around and start talking if you keep doing what these people are doing altercation doesn't go away what do you got? alright I'm so sorry she begins that heavy adapting with the face and rubbing her neck and all that she's really really stressed at this point I'm sorry I'll start over I'm sorry I'm sorry mark that whole state has staked through us man in your life's state yeah look at this neck here it looks very nice got some vampire territory here can you even hand it back to you Scott? no okay so at the top she's really adapting a lot because she's obviously stressed as everybody's been going over rubbing her face and her neck and she's a lot going on with that necklace as she's fidgeting with that and she looks away and she doesn't say anything I think the stress from this guy being angry at this point and I think he's acting I'll say it I think he's acting a little bit immature at this point so it's be a professional game these people are not that we're being professional on here we're professionals and we're laughing but this guy should have been a little bit more professional at this point instead of making such a big deal about it I understand maybe he thinks there's been cheating or something but maybe you don't do it like that you don't make a big scene like that and when he said when he asked her what do you mean if a jack wasn't a club she redirects and says you know he let me do this several times now I'm just testing it that's the first time I went something may be up here because she's redirecting out of that that answer into something else out of that question into something else and he lets it slide he lets it go right by doesn't go right back to it he should have well of course he's not in most people do he should have gotten right on there and said hey man you know I said this or whatever and then they keep talking and she shows her tongue in the side of her jaw that lets me know or suggests that you feel like you got away with something I think that's what she feels like that point now she's starting to feel like she's the dominant person in this situation because I think she feels honest about what happened I don't think she she I don't think at this point I'm not in the impression she cheated or anything but I think she's feeling unconfident about this because she's showing us the body language that says she did something she hasn't done anything wrong she's been doing something that makes her more confident and feels better about it so when she does that like that that usually indicates someone feels like they got away with something or I've got something on you or I know something that you don't excuse me I don't think it's negative I don't think it's like oh I just got away with cheating I don't think it's that at all nothing like that I think it indicates that she feels good about what's happening up to this point and I see we I think we're seeing all the the right important things here that tell us that that she's on the impression that she won fair and square even though he doesn't think so all right we good mm-hmm if somebody made a hero call like that but there's a blocker to the straight line he seems somewhat disturbed here by what just happened I don't you're right there it's testing literally like the sort of most disturbed look that I've ever seen Garrett give and obviously the reason why he'd be that is how can she call I remember like maybe he thinks that she saw his hand somehow or I don't know I don't know I didn't know the flock goes back call the turn goes that race of call like what what do you mean like like great 20,000 many days no before 123 I don't understand I don't understand sort of what's happening right now and right this isn't a club if my jack was in a club I would have been out what do you mean if your jack was in a club you know you've let me do this to you several times now I'm just testing it this doesn't seem super funny to me honestly when you got that like high I don't need to say it I thought you were on ace high and then so why call a jack I then first of all blocker on the turn though so you called on the turn because you don't have that's right it's not about what what I have it's about what I don't think you have when you play against me that's it you didn't think you had jack coming to close 75 you let me do this to you post stream so last time we played I keep letting me I mean obviously I'll just say Gary thinks that this hand was not straight in some way there's no doubt about it this is the most disturbed I've ever seen and I think Andy's disturbed too he doesn't he looked over there and was like what just happened here you're not the only one that gets lucky sometimes Gary you don't have to get that upset that's not a poker hand that wasn't I played you and not the hand I played you so don't let me play you don't let her play you I mean I don't know if that's a function of that she thought she could play I mean yeah the reason why this is of course so strange is that she had the blocker to the stream so good that's the key card Eric you done I saw that it happened there's some reason you did it there's multiple reasons I did that you thought jack high was good just like some spiritual guide I ran it twice because I didn't get jack high that is like you have been the most I know and most men just walk in and I'm disturbed it's a situation where it's like is it possible that she just doesn't know this is what's got to be going through Garrett's mind right now the streamers have gone crazy does she just not know that she can't call with jack high there and then a bunch of bluff speeder that's going to make you or was the hand not straight in somewhere we are on youtube Greg what do you got yeah this is really starting to be the crux of the matter I believe she shows irritation and puts her brow down and she says I played you that's the real driver in what she's saying I think what we're seeing is something go back a ways to when we saw her get irritated with him early on in the show and do something like in video 2 when I pointed out or video 3 when I pointed out she looked irritated when they were talking and dancing around him I think we're seeing some of that then she goes back to the stoic face but she does what I call the egg protector remember I call men putting their hands in front of their groin protecting the precious that's primary sex organs and women cross their abdomens to protect their uterus and ovaries I do that when she says it's multiple reasons and I think she's probably saying more with those two words or those few words than she said with anything else and then she says most men bluff me and I am used to it and she shows disgust hmm well there's a reason you might want to take a chance to ridicule this guy with a jack if it's only a x amount of money not saying that's her driver but certainly could be he then adapts and moves his collar even trying to get to some kind of comfort and he's still showing disbelief for me here's what the thing I had to say she's aware she's on youtube she points it out if she cheated and just cheated for $269,000 in real time she's pretty damn calm about that because now she's getting back to some kind of normal and what you said Scott just a few minutes ago I think she's showing a bit of hey I went up to you that's what I think I see here Scott what do you got I grew with the 100% I think I think she knows she won I think that guy is yeah I think he's not acting the way a professional should act I don't know I think about professional poker but I would expect someone in that situation to act more professional than that I think everybody else they begin to second guess what's happened simply because they're watching this guy you know be all out of place with his mouth open and making that scene I think they start to rethink what's happened as well and just give her that vibe a little bit and that's when she starts to get I think a little bit angry at that point and start standing up for herself which she should do especially in that situation but the situation though wouldn't it wouldn't that be the let me ask you this Greg wouldn't it be the dealer's job to go hey man something's not right here are she wouldn't say anything the dealer wouldn't I don't play that kind of poker this love all these guys they probably have agreed some kind of treaty they all work through no idea but if he thought or she thought something was wrong I'm sure she would say there's an anomaly I mean if she's handling the cards okay there's probably also a game master watching all this stuff you know somebody who's watching all this I would imagine with this kind of money don't know that's my guess tell us if we're right or wrong down the bottom yeah because I definitely don't know but I think everything looks the way it should look right here for what's happened for her I don't think she's I think you're right Greg she didn't she she would be acting a lot more nervous at this point if she just won all that money by cheating and then all of a sudden somebody's asking about it she'd be like oh my gosh not seeing that at all to me it looks like she's confident she's getting getting worked up that this guy's questioning that she won at this point and is trying to make fun of her her hand because it wasn't that good of a hand but he's still lost because like she said she played him not the the game or whatever at this point chase what he or yeah chase what you got yeah I think a lot of what we're seeing is interesting and some confident I will say confident with quotes around it behavior because it's the Jessica Rabbit acting here I wish forever that she would feel comfortable just being herself here everybody would have liked it a lot more it would have been a lot more easy to watch where she's just being herself and being a real person and the more open people are about all kinds of things it's even harder to tell bluffs and things like that when you're just let go completely like you play poker with a guy who's really self-managed when he starts stressing out it's an instantaneous tell play some poker with somebody who it's just themselves 100% and nothing's hidden nothing's couched nothing's concealed that's when the tells are very hard to see because they just act how they want to all the time so I wish and I hope that maybe the next time we see here we see the real her and not a character that that's developed the real her is good enough and in the next video we're going to see a lot more I think a lot of this stress behavior that we're seeing here could potentially be the characters reaction of what confidence should look like to response to cheating not saying she did it but that might be her idea of how that character might react Mark yeah Greg let's look in detail at that adapter around the collar because that he does because it's it's super tiny all he does is is that it's minute it's minute and what I always love about adapters that give me a tell is there is no reason why you needed to do that I mean if somebody kind of moves their collar there's all kinds of reasons there's all kinds of reasons it has an effect this is inconsequential and that screams to me oh something is really up here that his unconscious mind decided to just move that a touch so I think you know first of all I came up with the word that he is mystified by this I'm going to change that word I think he's emasculated by it I think he is because this movement it's something that Ricky Gervais would have put in to a moment of one of his characters being emasculated slightly really put down so it's tiny you don't play yes there's somebody in the commentary going you don't play that hand you don't play that hand well here's a piece of behavior is you do whatever you want to do in life there's just punishment and prizes for that there's no bad behaviors just results that you wanted or didn't want that's all she didn't get punished she just won the prize she did whatever she wanted to do yeah it doesn't equate to the stats and theory of poker and that's again what he seems to be upset about and everybody's upset about but you just don't play a hand like that she did and she just won a big prize now could she do that again and again and again and again statistically probably not but you know maybe she will maybe we'll see her playing this incredible risky game because does she does she truly understand the risks or have experienced the pain of these because it would have been painful if she'd have lost I mean she'd be out the game and on a terrible hand and everybody would have just gone you're a complete idiot you have zero idea what you're doing instead what people are doing are going you're just a complete outlier and that's unacceptable you just can't do that kind of thing I mean I don't know if that's a function of that she thought she could play the reason why this is of course so strange is that but she had the blocker to the string first drop that's boom that's the key card Eric you done I saw that it happened there's some reason you didn't there's multiple reasons I don't know you only needed one you thought jack high was good there's some spiritual guide I ran it twice because I didn't get jack high that is like you have been most I know and most men just love me I know it's a situation where it's like is it possible that she just doesn't know this is what's got to be going through Garrett's mind with me does she just not know that she can't call with jack high there and then a bunch of bluff speeder or was the hand not straight in somewhere we are on youtube okay so I just want to explain to everybody what's going on so there's no confusion in that particular hand Garrett was upset because he thought there had to be something going on for me to make that call I made some references when I was on stream about why I kind of made that call there's two things that were going on over there so I'm holding the jack of clubs there's two clubs on the board after the flop I have a backdoor flush draw and a backdoor straight draw which is why I made the call with the 5000 bet that he initiated and then when the turn came it was a three and you will hear me say on stream are threes any good and the reason I said that is because I thought I was holding a jack of clubs and a three of whatever so I thought and I say that I think I have a bluff catcher and it's not good enough so when Garrett shoved on me there's multiple reasons I called that previous experience where I know that he's often bluffing I also assumed in a hand that I also were on in the night the same night when I thought that he was just on a draw but let him have it that he was just on a draw which means he did not have a made hand after the turn and I thought that I'm holding a blocker with a jack of flush draw missed and straight draw missed for me so with a three as a bluff catcher sort of thing I didn't look back at my hand to see that it was jack four I ran it twice because I knew I was probably going to lose that unless or anything better came than pocket threes I guess or like not even pocket threes like a pair of threes and I knew I had to run it twice to have that opportunity so we ran it twice and unfortunately for him I won that hand despite even having threes which is still kind of mind boggling to me I won that hand though and it is what it is he wasn't happy with it and I said here will you come back on stream what can I do for you to come back not make this dramatic I really appreciate and respect production I know it's hard work to keep everything in order there's a lot of money on the table it's upsetting for me when I lose and win it's upsetting for anyone it doesn't matter how much money you have but it's important that everyone is at peace and we don't cause enough destruction so for me I'm used to people bluffing me which is why I often call and I know that Garrett was super frustrated with me and he wanted to talk about it and I said let's do the most amicable ending for production as well as moving forward in my mind I think I'm good enough for the money so the whole understanding was please come back and continue to play and if you feel like it's fair that I give you this money back fine have it come back and play and let's just continue playing it's just poker at the end of the day and I do think of myself in some regard that I will get that hand back fair and square because ultimately he didn't think it was a fair hand for him not to win and I guess maybe it wasn't a fair hand for me maybe we should have split it right there and then at the table whatever it was I was okay with giving him the money back I really was people may not feel that way I don't like drama I want to keep it minimal and it is what it is and I just wanted to really mitigate and reduce the level of drama that it would entice that was going in that direction but he didn't come back and that's because of alternative people that felt differently about me giving money to him I'm okay with it I don't want everyone to chill out it's not that serious if it doesn't bother me it is what it is I don't feel like I should have won that hand I should not have won that hand I think that's the call with ultimately been okay if I was holding Jack 3 and then unfortunately I still ended up winning and I can see where his pain is there and I think that's why I did it I said you know what I can see why he's upset and I'm okay with giving the money back we're good and if everyone wants to flip out about it it's a f***ing you he has this money I'm cool and it wasn't it wouldn't have been cool to call but I called on Jack thinking that I was holding Jack 3 and it is what it is and I'm gonna go back and play I'll let you guys break down the what I'm talking about we're good everyone can say what they want to say but I'm cool so me and Garrett are talking afterwards and it'll be fine all right Greg what do you got yeah this is pretty interesting because we go all the way back to her baseline when she's talking to a friend a coach then there's similarity the cadence is metered not animated not overdone her internal voice at when she talks about I had three as a bluff catcher both shoulders go up you would think one shoulder would go up if she was not certain about it there is a point where one of her shoulders does go up when she says unless anything better than a three came up and then she goes like this but well I didn't have threes to start with so that uncertainty is telegraphed what we're showing you is what double shoulders versus single shoulder looks like and what that means is there's something different going on her head when she's doing it watch her illustrate with her head watch or illustrate with her hands we look for congruency and messaging when a person is moving everything the same way their words their punctuation and all that are hitting we think of that as congruent we see a lot of that she also explains very carefully what she was thinking now whether that's what she was thinking at the moment or after the fact it tells you she knows cards because she's using the right terminology I don't know the terminology she's using all of it but when she's talking about she had the potential for a flush draw and all that stuff she had a plan and this goes back to where I said I thought maybe she thought she had something and called it and then realized oh now I'm in trouble and so she does not to illustrate that matches her messages she also illustrates on this hand and that hand when she's talking about two different things and then there's one place where she gets to where she's talking about something not going in that direction she's talking about where things we're supposed to go calm and then go in that direction she does that woman head whip thing that tells you there's some emotion there she's just containing it so I would bet there's a lot of heated words there's a lot of anger there's her having real feelings about this but came out and tried to be the the better of the two options and come out and tell you what she thought looks like the baseline we saw earlier Mark what do you got? she really is going into the explaining here it's a little bit of a gentle schooling that she's trying to give here at the same time as kind of nudging it along helping us understand and join in be socially engaged with her and you're right Jace like this is now a completely different person I mean we are back now to that same person who we had at the start of of these these reels in the interview same thing tucked in with the elbows here lots of nice big gestures here the elbows do pop out when she says that's a lot of money so again that that makes me sense that there is a real congruency in what she's doing here she's trying to explain it to us she's trying to nudge it along so we get it so everybody can be happy together and that's the theme that comes along is is she's trying to please everybody at the table and what's incongruent is that's not the character that she was playing at the table the character at the table wouldn't care that this person has lost I mean that character at the table would absolutely delight you know in a femme fatale way of taking the money and hey if you go off and and sink into you know a bottle of whiskey so be it for you you got to handle yourself I handle myself that's not who we're getting now we're getting somebody who will give this person money if they'll just be happy a people pleaser essentially which is not what we saw at the table there here we've got somebody who wants to please the family around the table it'd be interesting to know what her family is how many males made up around the table and how you had to placate them and get them on your side you know around the family situation so yeah it's for me it's the baseline it's congruent I don't see any deception around any of this here Chase any other thoughts on this I'll play devil's advocate for 22 seconds really she looks a different direction and then her baseline she looks to her left I think four times during this exchange and during this exchange 95% of the time she's blocking ovaries and uterus she's doing genital protective behavior and just locked down even when she's leaning to describe something her entire body is locked down however every single aspect of her behavior even when she's in costume kind of on stage acting out this character that she's created is rooted in you could see behind the mask there that it's rooted in social acceptance everyone getting along acquiescence and getting positive feedback from everybody which would 100% illustrate to me as a profiler that is the base behavior that we're seeing and that's the base reason that she decided to give that money back acquiescence social approval everyone getting along and that explains to me even if we delete all of the words and behavior that we're seeing just that underlying behavior of the desire for acquiescence and the desire for everybody to get along that explains a lot to me there even though we have these deviations and baseline I think it's because of the presence of the camera and still trying to maintain this balance between myself and Jessica Rabbit and trying to make that happen which she didn't do very well but she was more herself here than anywhere else Scott? I agree with you like you were saying Mark we see a completely different person because game time just like an interrogation you go in and you're like hey man in this situation she's being her being like the baseline we saw earlier because she's not hey everything's good there's nothing up here she's got a problem she's telling what happened at this point and she's standing there she's not sitting down so I think she's just standing there like guys go to that thing where we put our hands up here as we're talking if we're on camera or something just standing there as a non-pro or something so I think what happened was we're seeing her come out of there she had words with this guy and she was the bigger person in this I agree with you Mark she said okay because I think like you said earlier she emasculated this guy and so he agreed to take the money back what kind of guy takes the money back after something like that you know what I mean that just makes me go ugh see I told you I'm a professional at the beginning there he was acting a little non-pro but she's the bigger person here she went and said okay I'm doing it for the game we're on YouTube let's get back in there and finish this up man what do you need what do you want to happen here she's problem solving at this point trying to make everything go smoothly what do you want you can't beat that you know so she was the bigger person makes him look really bad because where is he he left he won't come back to the game so she wins on that in my book and that whole explanation there there are a couple things that do look iffy but that's because we're looking at a completely different situation with a completely different person at this point we're not looking at the game person we're looking at the person person the real person and we're seeing what she's really made of and what kind of person she is and we're seeing by his reaction what kind of guy he is at this point alright well let's throw it in the room talk about what we think we've seen kind of wrap it up in a minute or less Mark you want to go first yeah just great example of somebody who doesn't necessarily not play by the rules but play by the established statistics of how you should get resource and lose resource and so you get an outlier situation and people explode around it and get upset and some people you know spit the dummy out there pram chase what do you think that's so close thank god zoom has this little warning that pops up now alright you want to do that again chase I'm a hundred percent sure Scott's going to edit this out let me go back yeah let's do it again oh great thanks nobody's watching right now anyway it's things like an hour and a half longer and thank you so I agree with you guys completely that is what we're seeing here I think we saw a lesser person and a greater person and Robbie if you're watching send us an email we will all for a coach you I'm volunteering these three guys we didn't talk about this we'll coach you on a zoom call for the top four behavior experts on planet earth we'll give you some coaching and we'll make it even more badass and we'd love to do it Greg yeah so there's a lot of things that could be happening here could she be cheating sure if she is you guys need to be watching out because she's going to whip your ass in poker because if she can hide cheating that well she can hide her tails like all hell so yeah if you're watching we are open to coaching you but more importantly this is a good example of paying attention to a baseline to what somebody is normally like when they're talking to somebody they know when somebody's under high stress and then they come out and talk about it there's three different ways you get to watch this person and see how she reacts again if this is hiding cheating I'm impressed and you guys are in trouble Scott what do you got yeah I agree she's yeah I don't think she's cheating at all here I think she played the game and like Mark was talking about in the the chess to your thing she's she's an outlier in this point she came in and like you said Greg coming in not having played for years and years and years and years professionally did something nobody expected and and one then we see this guy get all but hurt and coming in whining and she totally one ups and put some in his place makes him look bad to guys because where did he go he ran off because he's embarrassed wouldn't you be too if somebody that you thought you were so much better then beats you and then you act like that that's why he's not there because the way he acted so yeah that's one one point to make we just covered the chess cheat last week and we had a very different opinion and he could be an outlier but it was based on very different things yes on terms of body oh yeah so yeah and there's she's not cheating here she's not cheating here I'd put all my chips on saying she's not in my game I put down with her cards I got and say yeah I push them all into the no cheating wow at this point so yeah I think I think she she was the bigger person in this and it shows and she came out on top hi fellas I think this was another good man we'll see you next time chill I'm just naming yeah man


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