I call the meeting of the Planning Commission to order. Ms. Wilson, would you please call the roll? Let the record reflect that all commissioners are present, except Chair Edmondson. Thank you. We have the draft of the August 8th minutes. Does anybody have any issues with the minutes? Okay, seeing none, they are approved. Then public comments, I have one card. You don't need to fill that a card if you want to make a comment on an item that's not on the agenda. And Mr. DeWitt, you are first if you could state your name for the record and you know the three minute rule, so. Hello, my name is Duane DeWitt, I'm from Roseland. And the minutes that you've just approved, basically take the three minutes that I spoke about last time, condense it down to one sentence, which doesn't accurately reflect all that I've said. So a person who hasn't attended the meeting doesn't really get the drift of what the discussion I brought forward was. To just say because I talk about Roseland and just mentioned Roseland in there is not enough. So in the past, I almost dutifully used my own time to follow the Open Government Task Force efforts. It was so important about that Open Government Task Force and I'd like the record to show that I say this today, please. Is that there were recommendations that were given and put forward. And those recommendations were something that it was actually advised. All boards and commissions, all city staff and others should begin to participate in so that we had a process that was more accountable and open and transparent. Now, we may look at it like, well, we had a tremendous fire. And that tragedy has caused us to have to do things in a more expeditious manner. I believe that's a canard. You can put that in the record too. That's the kind of word that will definitely make people look. And it's the kind of thing that we're here now in the 21st century, almost two full decades into it. And I can't come up and give you information to be utilized in a digital format. I asked to do this recently with a small video clip. And they said, well, no, we can't do it. We have to vet it first. And actually, when I went and I asked the First Amendment Coalition and others, that's a form of censorship. It's like, wait a minute. We're supposed to be able to come and give you information without having be predetermined whether or not it's okay. So it's been almost many number of months since you took away, not you, but others, some nameless folks, took away the overhead projector, took away the opportunity for the public to come in and bring information at the meeting and submit it besides just a paper copy. And have it available to the public to see. So in a sense, we're backtracking and we're not even going where that open government task force recommendation, which was worked on so hard, with so much money spent by the taxpayers. And we're not getting things the way we should. So I'm hoping you, as a board and a commission, would say, hey, we'd like to see those recommendations be implemented. Please give that a discussion in the future. Thank you for your time. Thank you, Mr. DeWitt. Is there anybody else who'd like to speak? Okay, seeing no one rise, we'll go to the, I will close the public comments. Do I need to do that? Close the public comments. And planning commissioners report. Commissioner Sisko? Yeah, I just wanted to let the commission know that the Waterways Committee met this morning and we had the opportunity to again review the bike and pedestrian master plan, in particular how it coordinates with the creek and waterways master plan. So we had a very sort of organized specific meeting about where certain conflicts might be for us to have the opportunity to make some statements. And then it's going to be going back to the consultants. And ultimately, those will be incorporated or reviewed or resolved. And I believe we'll be seeing that a draft plan sometime around the first of the year. So, and we also had an update from Alistair Blyfus about a creek cleanup efforts, which are always so impressive how much over 1,000 cubic yards of trash having been removed from the waterways, mostly attributable to homeless encampments. He showed us, on the website, there is a way for the encampments along the waterways to be sort of coded, that they've been cleaned up or they're noticed or they're chronic. So there's new tools that both the water department and the police department are using to coordinate these cleanups and keep our creeks safe. And also he brought in pictures that they are putting in security fences up against the storm drain so that the encampments can't go within the storm drain. So a lot of activity to protect the creeks and a lot of effort by the community and our students to keep our creeks clean. So it's always a heartening committee meeting. It's a good news meeting. Yeah. Anybody else? Commissioner Groniga? Just an announcement that the next subdivision committee meeting will be held on September 5th. And I believe there's one parcel under consideration for final approval. Thank you. Department reports. Ms. Hartman, do you have anything to report? Couple items. This morning the city council's cannabis policy subcommittee met and they're working through over a series of meetings because there's quite a bit of work to do. They held their second concentration area merit review process. And so as a result of the concentration area that was Petaluma Hill Road and Santa Rosa Avenue, there was five potential applicants in that concentration area. And they did select an applicant to move forward in the use permit process. And as a result of selecting that applicant and based on the scores that they accepted in terms of the merit review, an additional dispensary that's proposed in that same area, but outside 600 feet of the highest scoring proposal is also allowed to move forward in the use permit process. So there's several more meetings ahead of the subcommittee to work through. I think it was 21 out of the 38 applied for for cannabis retail are on this sort of competitive track. So they need to be vetted out by the subcommittee to figure out which ones get to move forward with the public process. And all of that information, including any of the packet information that's presented to that committee is available online. It's on our cannabis website, srcity.org slash cannabis. You can get all that information there. And the city is also moving forward in our efforts for downtown housing. As you know, it's a council priority to incentivize housing downtown. So we are moving forward probably within the next week or a few days to publish our RFP request for proposals to update our downtown specific plan. So stay tuned on that. And again, that type of announcement would be on our department web page planning and economic development. Thank you. Are there any statements of abstentions by commissioners? Okay, then we'll move on. We have no study session items, no consent items, and we'll move on to 10.1. This is an ex parte hearing. So can Commissioner Collier do want? I visited the site and have nothing further to disclose. I visited the site and have nothing further to disclose. I also visited the site and took note that there was a security guard in the parking lot area. I visited the site and have nothing further to disclose. I also visited the site and have no no information to disclose. I also visited the site and have nothing to disclose. So Mr. Ross, who'd like to start? Thank you Vice Chair Weeks and Commission. My name is Adam Ross. I'm with the City Planner with the Planning and Economic Development Department. Before you, the item before you is the Sonoma Patient Group CUP modification located at 2425 Cleveland Avenue. The CUP 18-086 is to allow extended weekend hours of operation, delivery services, and bring the existing medical and adult use cannabis retail dispensary into current zoning requirements required by City Council Ordinance 2017-025. The current hours of operation are Monday through Friday, 10 a.m. to 7 p.m., and weekend hours are 10 a.m. to 5 p.m. The proposed weekend hours of operation are 10 a.m. to 7 p.m., which would allow the dispensary to remain open 10 a.m. to 7 p.m. seven days a week. The project location is located west of Highway 101 north of Steel Lane and south of Bicentennial Way on the west side of Cleveland Avenue. The project is located within a multi-tenant office building. They occupy 1,170 square feet of that building, where the rest of the tenants are not affiliated with the applicant. North of the site is a Big Five. South is Office. West of the site is a multi-family development. And east of the site across Cleveland is a large commercial operation. So it's an orchard supply hardware. I believe there's just staples there as well. On May 8th, the CUP application was submitted to the Planning and Economic Development Department. On May 18th, the application was referred to applicable city departments and was also given travel referrals. A notice of application was also sent out to all property owners within a 400-foot buffer. There was an additional notice of application sent out on June 5th because the original notice of application did not include delivery services. So there were two notices of application for this project. On June 20th, a notification of incomplete application was sent to the applicant. And the next day, on June 21st, the applicant provided a project description and narrative that was updated, as required in the incomplete application notice. On July 10th, staff received a certified odor mitigation plan. And on July 16th, the application was deemed complete. The general plan land use designation is office, which allows for, which provides site for administrative, financial, business, professional, medical, and public offices. West of the site is medium density residential. North is also office general plan land use designation. East across Cleveland Avenue and south of the site. Further south is retail and business services. So the zoning for the site is CO-SA, which is office commercial within the station area combining district to the east. That is also north as well as CO-SA. East is general commercial SA, so CG SA in the combining district. And then west is PD 0414-SA, which is a multifamily residential development with the R330 base zone. So the site plan shows the building footprint as well as the ADA path of travel. Gives you the overall kind of building footprint or building envelope. There's the property line located here on the map. We have the ADA spaces right here in the ADA path of travel to the entrance for customers. The current parking for the station area is subject to station area requirements, which is 2.5 spaces for every 1,000 square feet of gross floor area, which would require three spaces for Sonoma patient group. For the entire building, it's roughly 10,000 square feet, so that would require 25 spaces. The site offers 30 spaces with two ADA spaces within that 30. Here's the floor plan for Sonoma patient group.  And it's locked from the inside. You can't get in without a key or being allowed in by an employee on the inside. And right here is the customer entrance, which is a sliding glass door, which has a secured gate for when the business is closed for customers. You come in here, you check in. There's a check-in window right here where the laser is pointing. They wait, they're vetted, whether they're medical or adult use cannabis customers, and then they are allowed to go into the retail space, which is right here. And then beyond that is all limited access area, which is an office and where the products are held as well. The site is existing and does not propose any changes to interior exterior, so the applicant has provided pictures as elevations. Looking southwest on my left when looking at this picture, you see the freestanding sign that has a Sonoma patient group as one of the tenants of the building. The entrance is right about where the picture is taken for the driveway into the site. And then right here is the Sonoma patient group entrance, which is that sliding glass door, which leads to the waiting room where you check in. Right here is where you would get into the main building where you can access other offices and you would also find the secured access door, one of them within this door. So it would be closed off hours and this is only open during normal business hours as well. So this is an image from inside. This is the check-in window. This is where the customers enter and you would wait to be approved to go in through to the retail space or medical and adult use retail space. And then looking east from at the east elevation of the building from within the property line, here's the other entrance to the main building where other tenants use as well to get in, but within here on the left side is the secured access door. So staff received four emails and three phone calls in response to the notice of application. The phone calls were from the same residents as the emails, so they emailed and called as well. And there was one extra email from another nearby property owner. The concerns were about general safety and security of the surrounding properties and the potential for attracting criminal activity to the area. In response to that, what was looked at is the applicant has been in business for over 10 years and has security on site one hour before business opens for customers and up to one hour after the business closes to customers every day, as well as having nightly patrols by a paid security company and they also have 25 security cameras on site, which captures inside the location and outside the location of the property. I believe that is limited to mostly the surrounding area of the property. It wouldn't go into a lot of the neighboring properties, but I'm sure the applicant can clarify that if you're interested in that. And they generally permitted hours of operation for cannabis retail may operate from 9 a.m. to 9 p.m. up to seven days a week per section 20-46.080 F4 in the cannabis ordinance. So environmental review, the project qualifies for a class one exemption under secret guideline section 15301 in that the project is permitting an existing private structure involving negligible expansion of use and the proposed project does not propose an expansion of the structure's total square footage and there are no interior or exterior changes as part of this project. Staff recommends that the Planning Commission approve Resolution CUP18-086 to allow the medical and adult use cannabis retail dispensary with expanded hours of operation and to allow delivery services located at 2425 Cleveland Avenue in Santa Rosa. Thank you. Commissioners have any questions of staff at this time? Commissioner Duggan. I'm just curious if you were able to find out any information about police calls to the site and also the resolution of the odor complaint and also just out of curiosity on the project timeline you mentioned referrals to tribal groups and I just wonder what that's about. So I did have a request for police activity in the area and I did receive a copy of an incident that happened in May of this year where there was a break-in and product was stolen. They did also attempt to burglarize another dispensary in the city limits where they were caught during that time and I can send you the incident report for that specific one after this and so I also have a stat report which shows different types of calls by the SRPD to the site. It is hard to determine which ones are directly involved to the cannabis retail dispensary so further investigation would happen on staff's part to answer those questions for each individual report besides the one that I have here and the code enforcement case was for odor which was processed in 2016 and it was closed so what happens with that from the information I received from the code enforcement officer on the case is the file is the complaint is submitted they create a case and on initial review the code enforcement officer goes to the site and does a general observation and at this time they walked the site and found that there was no violation so the case was closed because of no violation viewed by the code enforcement officer and as far as who called in the complaint that's confidential and they don't release that for security reasons I'm sure but there is no there is not necessarily a report that was filled out because it was closed so early because of the way that the case was gone through quickly and there is it's mostly in our city records but it's not like a like a staff report or something of detailed paperwork that I can necessarily provide and if you want more I can see about getting more after this if there is anything no that's okay thank you was there a third question I was at the tribal well any discretionary applications subject to um compliance with CEQA Environmental Quality Act uh we do need to refer those applications to the tribes that may be interested and so we this part of part of that process any other questions for staff at this time uh would the applicant like to make a presentation and if you could um state your name for the record please hello my name is Ronit Taggart I'm the legal and compliance specialist for Sonoma patient group okay first off I'd like to thank the commissioners and everyone for attending today's public hearing whether you are here in support of or in opposition to our efforts we appreciate your interest in our close knit community and taking the time to be here today we are here to discuss our conditional use permit application to extend our weekend hours and add delivery services for our dispensary located at 2425 Cleveland Avenue Suite 175 in Santa Rosa I'd like to start by telling you about Sonoma patient group we are the longest permitted cannabis dispensary in Santa Rosa been legally compliant for more than a decade Sonoma patient group was formed in 2007 as a collective and recently reorganized as a for-profit organization and since 2007 Sonoma patient group has provided medicine for medical patients and expanded to include adult use 21 and over sales beginning in January of 2018 the owners and board members of Sonoma patient group are Fred Ginn, Nicole Williams, John Sugg, Leanne Nakashima, and Jewel Matheson. Sonoma patient group provides highly trained personable staff who ensure the highest standards of care in the cannabis industry provide compassionate care and safe access to high quality lab tested medicinal and adult use cannabis and we provide a safe environment to learn about and select your medicine Sonoma patient group is proud to offer a secure location to purchase your medicine LeFrance protective services provide security guards during business hours as well as routinely patrolling the premises after hours in addition security guards patrol our proposed new location at 2265 Cleveland Avenue and deter any individuals that are loitering in that area neighbors and surrounding businesses have benefited by Sonoma patient group providing increased security in collaboration with the Santa Rosa police department we have regularly provided support by collecting and responsibly disposing of hazardous waste in the neighborhood and we take our community outreach seriously we have an open door policy when it comes to working with citizens to improve our neighborhood and to continue dialogue with our neighbors about our existing operation and our proposed relocation we voluntarily conducted a community outreach effort that occurred in April of 2018 inviting comment and interaction with neighbors our outreach efforts have shown the majority of local businesses are in support of our efforts and we are here today as we are requesting an extension of our operating hours we are currently permitted to operate Monday through Friday from 10 a.m. to 7 p.m. and Saturday and Sunday from 10 a.m. to 5 p.m. we are requesting a modification of our existing permit to extend our Saturday and Sunday operating hours to be from 10 a.m. to 7 p.m. the requested modification of including two additional hours complies with the state guidelines for operating hours of 6 a.m. to 9 p.m. and the city guidelines of 9 a.m. to 9 p.m. and we currently serve an average of 200 patients and customers per day and we anticipate serving approximately 20 additional individuals daily by expanding our weekend operating hours and in addition we are also requesting to include delivery services we anticipate a single delivery driver leaving the premises starting with two trips per day once in the morning and once in the afternoon however this may increase up to four trips per day based on the frequency of orders we anticipate being able to fulfill multiple delivery orders during the day thereby decreasing the amount of individual traffic to the licensed premises and cannabis goods will only be delivered to a physical address located within the state of california except to federal land such as casinos in an effort to show the support that we have within our community we have received signed petitions from at least 45 individuals who are in support of our requested changes we've provided quotes from various supporters but the overall sentiment is that our customers who work on the weekends will greatly benefit by the extended hours and our customers with mobility issues or who may be elderly will benefit from delivery services and thank you so much for today's public hearing thank you any questions of the applicant at this time commissioner mr. peterson i just have a question about the community outreach portion of it sort of what is the what are the nuts and bolts of the open door policy and also in the april 2018 outreach did you speak with anybody from phillips family dental i don't believe anybody from phillips family dental approach us directly for the april 2018 outreach so we also coincided that with our conditional use permit application for relocating to 2265 cleveland we went around and we put up our own notification and flyers on the surrounding residences and neighbors and inviting them to come to our dispensary we had pizza drinks we had two people attend who were just curious about our dispensary nobody showed up in opposition to but we wanted to open up the doors for people to come and be able to voice their concerns and hear what the community had to say thank you any other questions yeah i've got one more question so this is in referral in reference to attachment number six which is the odor of mitigation plan and on page three it says detailed operational and maintenance plans should be developed by the owner and i'm just wondering if that has actually happened for operation and maintenance of the whole complex i guess yes we had odor mitigation plans kind of already in place and then when we put in the application they wanted an a certified mitigation plan done by an engineer and when he came to the facility there was no additional modifications or anything that we needed to do to further mitigate the odor so there was not necessarily a change in our actual operating procedures that we needed to do but if the commission would like us to produce and provide an operating procedure regarding that we are happy to do so thank you any other questions okay so i'm going to open the public hearing uh you don't need to have filled out a card to speak um and if you could keep to three minutes and state your name please so i'm going to open the public hearing my name is Karen Pratt and i've been a customer of Sonoma patient group for many years now and i'm very infirm i just recently lost my vision or 50 in each eye and i can no longer drive um and a lot of times my issues are so debilitating that i can't get to a dispensary and it would be really awesome to have delivery especially for those of us that can't get out or can't drive so i just wanted to put my vote in for that and the safe access to good medicine without molds and without you know additives that the people on the street put in that god knows what's in it you know this is really the way that you know i feel everyone should have safe access thank you thank you anybody else wish to speak hi my name is sherry pratt i've lived in center rosa for oh gosh about 15 years now used to work at a local bank used to be in perfect health i have a severe arthritis probably room a toy and i've had five hip surgeries and two knee replacements and all kinds of stuff going on if it weren't for sonoma patient group i probably would not be standing here in front of you today because the pain is so debilitating that it makes a person feel like they'd be better off dead and thanks to them i don't feel that way on a daily basis i get a reprieve and it doesn't interrupt my life it doesn't interrupt my mind it makes me feel happy and joyous in being alive and knowing these wonderful people delivery would be helpful to me in the same way that it would be to my friend and sister karen i'm not long for driving my shoulders are going and i almost couldn't drive from roller park back to center rosa just because of that anyway as these folks here that have helped me be productive and a member of society here for as long as they have 10 years after my retirement thank you thank you there is a button on the side of the podium right there that can lower the podium if that's helpful my name is heidi howell and i've been a patient of sonoma patients for many years even before they were asking for delivery i actually had some help from the owner when i was in the hospital and needed it so i've been waiting a long time for sonoma patients to have delivery and i really hope that you'll consider it for people like me and for the other women that spoke thank you so much thank you anybody else wishing to speak okay i'm going to close the public hearing and bring it back to the commission somebody'd like to make a motion i'll move a resolution of the planning commission of the city of santa rosa for a conditional use permit for extended hours of operation for medical and adult use cannabis retail with delivery services operating in a 1170 square foot tenant space in an approximately 9822 square foot building with daily operating hours from 10 a.m to 7 p.m located at 24 25 cleveland avenue apn 015-481-026 file number c up 18-086 and wave for the reading second thank you that's first moved by commissioner ducan and second by commissioner sisco um discussion um i can go ahead and start um completely in favor of this modification it's within you know our existing um allowable hours uh obviously deliveries are important to their patients and so i think having that uh availability is important also and so i'm in favor of this uh item i'm also in favor of the modification i can make all the project findings that the uh location is um within applicable zoning districts and consist of the general plan and compatible with the land use um and all the rest of them and i think it's um a minor modification and i think it's sorely needed by the community so i'm in support of the project commissioner calia i also am in support of this um modification of hours and delivery option clearly it's definitely needed and access to safe medicine is incredibly important to mr. kraniga yes i'm um first of all pleased to see that certified uh engineers report on the odor control given the circumstances in 2016 so i think that's a very positive thing um i really have no uh issues and or questions at this point in time and i do appreciate adam's uh good work on this commissioner peterson uh i'm also in in favor of of this conditional use permit and would be able to make all necessary findings i think that this location is completely appropriate for this type of business i think the hours uh make sense and uh to address some of the neighbors concerns i think uh frankly having the presence of a security guard on site will deter some of the effects um that they were concerned about that are entirely unrelated to the operation of this business um so with that i'm in favor thank you i am also in favor of it and i i believe that uh as previously stated that modifications are very minor and that's why i would be supportive of it so with that um if we could vote it was if we could vote now okay so that is six eyes with uh chair edmondson being absent and that's the final item for the meeting today so i'm going to close the meeting


It is absolutely my pleasure to introduce to you from the Council of Nine. Sam Erb. Hello. So this is going to be a bit of a different talk. It's definitely more blue team than most of what's normally presented at Defcon. So apologize for that in advance, but it's something that I really wanted to give a presentation on. I think it's important to share with the wider community what we're doing at Akamai. So with that in mind, this is Defense in Depth, the path to Shiax and Akamai. So who am I? I am a software engineer at Akamai. At Defcon, I have won two black badges in the badge challenge with the Council of Nine. Yeah, if you want to reach me, probably the best way right now is to find me on Twitter. So disclaimer, generic disclaimer, don't poke and prod at Akamai please. And everything presented here is the work of many individuals, some of whom are actually in the room today, which is exciting. This wasn't just me. So get started, Defense in Depth. I'm talking about Defense in Depth, and what I'm really talking about is the classical computing term, Defense in Depth, where we're adding additional security controls or layers to mitigate or lower the impact of vulnerability in our product. What I'm talking about my definition though, what I want to do is I want to avoid the next sales Heartbleed at Akamai and build systems that prevent this or otherwise mitigate the impact of that. So I'm going to ask the question, what is Heartbleed? So OpenSSL users were affected by Heartbleed. We have a blog post on how Akamai was impacted by this. In general, this doesn't turn out very well on the slide there, but this is a wire shark output that shows a bad pack payload length, and what really Heartbleed was, was you would request a certain length, and you'd say, hey, like, give me five bytes, and it would return five bytes back to you. And it was supposed to be the same five bytes that you sent to it. That's the RFC 6520, which actually defines this, where the receiver must send the corresponding Heartbleed response back to the requester. The implementers neglected to verify that the payload length matches the length in the field itself and would send you back arbitrary memory from the server itself. So this allowed you to read memory from the server and then subsequently potentially get access to the TLS private keys, which we're seeing on that server, or other information for that matter. Just go louder. So what is TLS? So TLS is HTTPS. If you haven't had a chance to, I would really recommend just going to read in the RFC. It's super approachable as far as RFCs go. This is straight out of the TLS 1.2 RFC, and what I'm really going to be talking about today more than anything else is the server key exchange message. So the way TLS works in general is you have a hollow exchange, and then you have a blue there, and then in yellow you have this key exchange period. And then in red is where you're actually sending your bulk crypto data. And I'm really going to be zeroing in on the key exchange, and in particular the server key exchange. And what that does is proves that the server owns a copy of the certificate by signing certain parameters that get used with the certificate's private key. So the server itself has to somehow have access to the private key, which traditionally has meant that it's just sitting in memory on the server, which is why Harplead was so dangerous. TLS 1.3 makes some slight modifications to this, but that's also something that's worth going and actually reading the RFC. So with that in mind, and getting all that out of the way, I'm going to be walking us through a TLS security journey. It's not the most exciting name, but our first stop is we're going to make secrets harder to find in memory. And to accomplish this, we're actually going to use OpenSSL itself. And in particular, we're going to use one of OpenSSL, one of Occamized Contributions to OpenSSL, which is the OpenSSL secure heap. And this is just standard Linux memory protection features to get the keys into a more protected area of memory and to prevent them from appearing in core dumps, et cetera. And this also applies to other key material, which can be used to derive the private keys as well. I believe the function name that you're going to need to look for is OpenSSL secure malloc. It's also externally visible or externally exposed so that your application can actually make use of this as well. So, yeah. So our second stop is we're going to make the, we're going to move the secrets entirely out of process. The reason we're doing this is that when you could dump the memory of the process, you could potentially dump the secrets. So if they're not in the process memory, you can't access the secrets. And to do that, we're actually going to use the OpenSSL engine interface. I posted some example code here. This is a OpenSSL RSA engine. And really the important thing here is that RSA underscore method. And what that will do is it will pass the RSA, or what needs to be signed by the server into a function. And once it's within that function, it's really up to you to make the signature happen or return it back to OpenSSL. And so this gives you a hook into OpenSSL to accomplish this. And so using this hook, we're able to go outside of the process, you know, using either shared memory or some other inter-process channel to get to the TLS private key that we need. So what this actually looks like in terms of the protocol, I'm defining a web server here and that special RSA sign function that I defined previously. I'm going to use that to send client random server random and key parameters as well as a certificate identifier off to some external key process. And this external key process is actually going to make the signature and then return it back to the process itself. So if we had had this in place, when Heartbleed rolled around, we wouldn't have been as vulnerable at least. The attacker still would have got access to private memory, which could have contained sensitive information, but at least we wouldn't have had to potentially rotate this key. So what we did here was nothing, or what we did here was nothing particularly special, so we decided to take this to the next step and we moved the secrets, not only out of process, but also out of the machine. This means that if you had got a, if you have some sort of bad exploit, like a remote code execution, you have some confidence that this key wasn't leaked. And so what that looks like is we just put the internet between our web server and the external key server. The protocol is identical, only you probably want to add some additional security to this channel. And so for some background here, Akamai has, I think we're say over 200,000 servers at this point, distributed internationally. We have a lot of these web servers. So that also means, that implies that we're going to need a lot of these external key servers. And obviously we don't want slow handshakes. This only impacts the initial TLS handshake, subsequent ones will use session keys, which allow for faster session resumption. And also means you don't have to have access to the server private key as well. But this puts this problem squarely into the engineering space and not into security space. This is strictly an engineering problem and it's also a performance security trade-off here, at least on this initial TLS handshake. Yeah, it really creates a many, many writing problem, something that Akamai is luckily good at solving. We solve that every day with our end-users. So in this case, we're trying that problem on its head and we're having web servers connect to these external key servers. So this involves a lot of planning. So this, one of my colleagues put this together, I believe it was Richard Wiley. This is a map, a heat map that shows connectivity between different parts of the world. It was really fascinating to learn about how poorly connected parts of the world are while doing this. So in general, you don't want to be crossing between not just national, but in some cases, continent boundaries. And that will lead to slow connectivity, slow handshakes, and slow performance. And this is just a visualization of this. We actually use the raw data to figure out where to best put these key servers. And this was actually included in our State of the Internet report in 2017. So in practice, this is actually an internal visualization of our network. It's a little bit hard to see from further back, but the blue dots on there represent locations. We have web servers, and the red dots represent locations that we actually put key servers, I should say, because each dot represents more than one machine. And then the yellow and green lines just represent traffic levels, and this is actually a real-time dashboard that I pulled this off of. So we're actually visualizing our web servers connecting to our key processors in real-time at scale. And Europe is honestly the most exciting one. It has the most lines as closely bunched together, simply due to geographical constraints. Yeah, I've always found the visualization extremely cool. So that's great that we've moved our servers now to another machine. Let's get a bit of a paranoid, and we're going to put them into an HSM. For those of you not familiar with an HSM, this would be something like a UB key, for example, where it's a hardware device and hardware security module, I believe that's what it stands for. It's a hardware device that holds your private key and you're able to send it a request to use that private key, and it will give you back a signed response of some form. And so to accomplish this, I'm going to use Intel SGX. And I'm going to explain a lot more about what Intel SGX actually is in subsequent slides. So this is a little bit paranoid, honestly. This was kind of taking us to the next level as an experiment, but we were actually able to make this work and deploy it, which is very exciting. So we put an SGX key store into each of these external key servers. So what is SGX? So this is an Intel technology. We have it in our certain chips that we deploy in our network. It's not available in all Intel chips yet. I think they're working on that still. And most importantly, it's a new set of CPU instructions for handling enclaves. So enclaves can be thought of as a shared object library, where in the untrusted library, you make a function call and it drops you into this trusted state where you can't really do a whole lot, to be honest. You can do memory operations. But you can't ever leave the chip. And anything that leaves the chip itself is either going to be encrypted or you're not going to have access to. And so what that means is that you can only drop into the state and come back out of the state, which on a first pass doesn't really seem very useful. But you can securely get data into this, which means it can function as an HSM if you code it correctly. So it can be best thought of as a reverse sandbox. Enclaves can read and write to external memory of a process, not to any external memory, just of a single process. And applications at any level cannot read or write memory within that enclave.  And one of the great things about this, about SGX, it has roughly the same performance as the CPU itself. It's running on the same hardware. The hardware just simply drops into this SGX state and comes back out of it. So that's why I think about this. I'm not the first one to use that term. It was originally termed coined out at 2016 Black Hat Talk. So enclaves, these are the shared object libraries that I had in a previous slide. Enclaves must be signed. And the root of trust is actually traced back to your BIOS.  And it really roots the chains of root of trust to a very low level. Enclaves have to be statically compiled, all of the code is signed. So that kind of implies that SG statically compiled. It requires BIOS and kernel support just to make sure everything works correctly. And remote localization are possible. And this is one of the cooler features of SGX and is what allows you to securely get your secrets into these enclaves and trust that they're going to not only the right machine but the right enclave itself. So there are a bunch of new instructions and most of them aren't really that exciting. They're for memory operations and launching and stopping enclaves. The important two are going to be eReport and you get to key. eReport allows you to tell another enclave on the system that you're on the same system as it and you generate a report and you sign it in a special way and then another enclave can take that data and verify it even if it passed through an untrusted boundary. eGetKey, which is a little bit more interesting allows you to actually generate a unique key within a given enclave. And this allows for sealing, which I'll talk about a little bit more later. But the important thing here is that you can generate a unique key on that machine and then subsequently decrypt data based on that key. I should say that that is actually a symmetric key. So SGX sealing so that eGetKey parameter allows you to generate a key that's shared between all enclaves that are on the same system and signed by the same key. And this key is persistent so as long as you call this function the same way, you'll always get the same key back from it which is awesome between OS installs you don't have to maintain any state on that machine. You can wipe it completely and the key will still come back the same way the next time. They also have counters in there to handle if their vulnerability is found in the process there are counters in there that will increment, auto increment that will allow you to create certain actions based on the key. That's a little bit too much to tell honestly. So we can actually use this SGX sealing system and per machine what we ended up doing was we created a public private key pair and within an enclave and then we had the private key encrypted using the sealing key and then once it's encrypted using the sealing key we can then export this public key sealed private key and that becomes a unique public private key pair tied to that machine that will survive OS installs. And so we actually were able to use this to do key provisioning at scale. This is across a large number of machines where we had each one of these SGX key stores issue this sealed private key public key combination. We would then, we have a massive advantage because we control our machine deployment and our pipeline to get machines deployed. And so we were able to export that key we then were able to encrypt a encrypted key to that public key and then send that and a bunch of other data back down to the enclave and assuming that this whole process works only that enclave will actually be able to decrypt the secrets that are encrypted to that public key. I should say this key pair is an RSA key pair which allows you to encrypt things to the public key such that they can only be decrypted using the private key. Yeah, so at a high level that's kind of how that all works.   Initial trust establishment is a little complicated which I described previously especially if you don't control your machine build process or pipeline. Secure handling of multiple enclaves, keys and most importantly replay attack prevention are all things that I didn't talk about but you should worry about if you're actually deploying this. You will spend most of your time trying to figure out how this should work and handle key rotation and all these really complex cases and not a whole lot of time writing code which to some extent is a good thing. So I should add all of this was deployed within Akamai. If you connect to Akamai, there's a chance that your TLS handshake is actually at some point actually traversing a SGX enclave which I think is pretty cool. So yeah, thank you.


amendments to the agenda? No. Our first item of business is to consider whether to waive the three to eight percent penalty for late homestead filings action likely. And my memory is in light of the pandemic that we waived this last year and I think we waived it the previous year. Didn't we, Dorinda? I think last year was the first year we were in acting actually. We hadn't been doing it ever and then we made the we made the decision to do it and then at the last minute we decided not to do it because of the pandemic. I think that considering we're still in the pandemic and there's probably a little bit of time left to go here I certainly would be in favor of waiving it again this year to get this behind us. We notice any any different difference in response because there was no penalty? Well this isn't a penalty for paying taxes late. This is a penalty for people not filing their their HS 122 on time. I understand and I think there's no reason pandemic or no pandemic. I really don't see a reason why people can't file their taxes on time. Yeah, that's my take on it. It's you know one way or the other they they should be their home. Yeah, more time if anything to file them. And the tax filing deadline was extended anyway. So I'm assuming this was extended along with that. Yes. Yeah. The other issue in this is what happens and correct me if I'm I'm wrong about this to render but what happens is if they don't file they get they get the lower tax rate. Correct. That's correct. And then if they if we chase them and then they file then there's a fair amount of accounting and folder all to put it back the way it's supposed to be. So there is I don't know how many how many light filers that we have to render, you know, I don't know the number but I do know there is people who do not file their HS 122s. Yeah, they do it to say because they know they're going to pay less taxes. And we don't have any ability to chase them, right? This is all within the state. Well, it's it's up to my understanding. It's up to the state. They're the only ones that can enforce that. But what would happen is if it comes out that they filed it late for whatever reason, I believe we can notify the state and then what action the state takes from there. But what would happen is when we get the late notice from because we continue to get these updates, you know, for the next several months, which means we have to send out new tax bills. Right. So that's when we assess the penalty or could assess the penalty. Yeah. Well, we would have no way. I mean, this is this is I think what what put me off last year. If someone just doesn't file, not late file, but just doesn't file. They're going to get the benefit of the lower taxes and there's basically nothing we can do. We can't find them. We can't do anything, right? Nope, we can turn them in. That's all we can do. Right. So the only time the only people we find are the people who do it, but they go it late. The people who are who are deliberately avoiding it and refusing to do it, unless the state changes their posture, there's nothing we can do. So that that to me is the reason to wave it, because I think we're penalizing potentially people. But I mean, the whole thing seems backwards. If you don't, you know, if you don't file, you get the lower rate would seem to mean that if you don't file, you should automatically pay the higher rate. But because of the way, the way the taxes are calculated and I have worked hard to try and figure out how this came out to be upside down. And I can't figure out it was never the intent that it'd be upside down, but it's upside down in middle sex and in quite a number of other towns. And I really don't understand why. But the thing of it is, is if we don't implement this and say we turn the list of people that we know are residents of the town over to the state, and the state comes back and says, Yep, you know, they they are they indeed are a resident of middle sex. They would not be penalized in any way either. So right. But what's the what's the probability that the state's really going to do that? Well, it's happened. I mean, I would assume the list is could give you I don't follow the state payments where the list is the ones that get that information. But they're the ones that had said right along that, you know, we're missing the boat by not implementing this. I'm right in the middle of the road on this. It's the penalty designed to cover the administrative burden of going after, you know, and nailings and all that kind of stuff. That's what it's designed for. Because the reason for working and we can assess anywhere from three to 8%. And if I recall last year, you did 5%. And then canceled it. Yeah. Well, does it make sense to do a to do a little bite and see how it goes? Like do do the three? I don't know. Somebody who pays significant taxes, that's real money. It's not peanuts we're talking about. Right. I'll say that as a taxpayer, knowing that there are folks out there that purposely avoid filing because they get a lower tax rate. It's awful irritating. And I personally feel like, you know, the town struggles to to fund everything that we need to do anyway. So I'm all for, you know, that that penalty. And I actually think we should chase if the listeners have a list of people that they know are residents, I think that they should send it in. Yeah. What's a you, Steve? Well, I think I think we should do either three or 5%. Get a motion. I'll make a motion that we do 5% then. Second. Okay. So moved by Steve seconded by Phil. All those in favor say aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. There we go. Prejudice report reviewing and approving the submissions for the highway emergency grant related to the May 19th 2019 storm action likely. And also other important treasure updates. So I sent you guys the summary for the what I feel we should submit, which was a lot of work put in by Steve and myself as far as trying to go back and recreate all this information. So we did make it over the $80,000 mark, which we have to do 10%. So we're only going to get 72 out of it if they approve everything. Yeah, but that's the maximum we could get, right? Yeah, I assume unless they come back and say, oh, okay, we'll give you, you know, the grant was allowed for 72%, 72,000, but I don't know if they look at total expenses or not. I don't think they do, Dorinda, I think, because in the contract for that grant, it specifically states that it's 72,000. So I might be wrong, but I think that's all we're going to get, no matter what our price. Maybe we'll get $50,000 extra COVID money. Who knows? Yeah. I appreciate all the work you put in. That was a great job. That was a bad thing to not do that. And in the new world, Dorinda, we're going to have our grant administrator keeping this stuff up, right? Well, that's a topic for discussion. Okay. Nope. Not a good time. So that's basically, that's that. No other real treasure or updates right now. And we don't need to take any action on that.  The big part is we now, I've got all the bills pulled and all, but I have to scan everything and then send it all in. Any update on how it's looking for the end of the year? As far as where we're going to stand. Well, we're going to be, I don't have, Mark wasn't here this week. Amy did the payroll stuff, but it's the end of the month. So we'll have a report for the next meeting where we are. But I think, I think we're going to be okay. Yeah. I know there are a lot of moving parts and they all seem to bubble to the surface in the month of June. They do. We have a couple of, we have our big school payment that still has to be done, which will be in the next payroll, next pay run there. But that'll be a nice large number. Oh, yeah. But yeah, I'll have that report to you for the next meeting. Okay. Well, thanks again for all your work on the, on the grant, both of you. That's important. Really important. Okay, then. Highway report. Victor, I think you're muted, Vic. Still muted, Victor. Yes. How's that? Better? Yeah. Very good. Very good. Thanks for reminding me. Hey, Peter, we got a meeting tomorrow morning at six o'clock. I've already set my alarm for five. Set the coffee pot for five fifteen. You're going to wear your steel mesh underwear? Hey, I don't need my steel wash underwear. I've got my, I've got my command, my command tone of voice, if heaven forbid, I need it. Hopefully I won't be able to. Okay. The signs are up in Putnamville. I don't know if anybody noticed them. I was up there today. Yes. Were they both saying 35 today? Because last week they were saying 31 way and 35 the other, but they're supposed to correct it, but they had to get a computer program to do it. Well, I wasn't paying attention. I was so glad the damn things were there. I really wasn't paying attention. I'm sorry. I just want to say that I got a really nice note from Alby born gushing appreciation, thanking for the town, all the town's efforts getting those signs up. He said he could notice the change immediately in the traffic. Well, that's good. So that's that's that up there. Um, tomorrow, well, today we were on McCulloch Hill. They moved the excavator and actually they got a lot done today.  Yeah, yeah. From, uh, from Randy Richardson's, um, tomorrow, uh, we put a note in front porch farms in that the road will be closed from roughly six to four, depending on who goes over there. I didn't know maybe some of the guys are going to take some culverts over earlier, but maybe not. But anyway, it's going to be closed tomorrow and they're going to be putting culverts, uh, replacing the culverts on, on, uh, in that same area that, uh, old class four section. Where is that big? What road? McCulloch Hill road. Okay. Yep. Killed class four section from, uh, Lee Rosenbergs to, uh, to Pat Freeman's that area. Um, they just, they finished up, uh, from route 12 in shady real, uh, they went up shady real and, um, then they, they stopped and went up, uh, ditching and cleaning up the murm and stuff on, uh, on Woods Road up to, uh, I believe it's Evans, the second place up on the left. Yep.   Um, they want to get everything done with that ditching stuff, uh, by September 1st, because, uh, if, if everything happens the way it's supposed to, we should get that, um, paving grant. We've got, we've got notification that it's a real possibility. You know, it's a, it's a definite maybe, I guess. Right. But that sounds good. Uh, it's better than we've had for a long time. And so, so we would move, so they would move over there and, uh, get that prepped out for, uh, it won't be paved until next spring because, uh, the low bid was Hutchins and Hutchins said they had a big state job and they wouldn't be able to do it until next, uh, spring, but the price, it will stay the same. Hey, Vic, where is that paving going to take place? It's going to take on Center Road from Steve Martins all the way down to the interstate, roughly. All those possible directions. Great. Yep.  No, no, just, no, wait a minute. Give me time. All right, keep going. I'm a little sensitive.  Perfect. Is that, come over to your house next. Yeah. Anyway, come up to my house. I'd be fine too. Okay. And then, uh, Jeff Newton and do boys there are supposed to start ditching, uh, uh, and a week or two, uh, before the 1st of July over on, um, East Hill, uh, from about where Bill pre lives, uh, where that, uh, uh, the turn goes up there to, uh, what's that kid's name there? His father used to be the judge, Demick. Was it Demick? Anyways, I don't know. Uh, anyways, from there down to Ray Hickory's, I was down through there today and, uh, it sure does need it, blind up to where to dump that stuff. And, uh, so they should be, uh, they should be in there, uh, within maybe as early as a week, but for sure, by two weeks, uh, we're just waiting for Jeff Newton to get back to us to schedule that. He does know that. You're remembering that I'd love some ditch dirt, right? Oh, yeah. You're on the list. Yeah. Do we have a price, Vic? A price for the ditch work for Peter. No, no, no, no, for Newton. For Newton. Well, you know, he said, he started out, he started out a little bit lower, but then he came back, it's 85 bucks an hour, what's 125 says two trucks would be 170 and then, uh, $125 would be 295. Okay. Well, I'll just let you guys sign off on the bills. I just didn't know if we should be monitoring pricing or what. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. I think they're going to work nine and a half hours a day, five days a week.  And, um, if we have to use that, the hammer, uh, of course, this year, probably that comes with the operator, it's 265 bucks an hour. Oh, yeah. The hammer to take the ditch material out. And, um, better that than blasting. Yep. And, um, so, uh, then he said, which was new, uh, he said, if they did $25,000 worth of work that they would not charge us, uh, moving, demobilizing and mobilizing, mobilizing and demobilizing, which means moving and moving out, which would save us. I, I got it in the thing. I think it's 750 to move that. Yeah. Yep. So, yep. So anyway, so we do 25,000 bucks. We don't have to pay that. That may be too much information. I don't know. And, um, then, uh, we had trouble with the height that the ever, uh, ongoing issues with the, uh, Hydro Sleeter and Austin, we is, uh, fixing the pump. We're getting that all ready to go again because we're a little bit behind on, on, uh, doing the seating. And then, uh, we also have to, at some point after July 1st is, uh, get together with Fred McCullough, uh, Steve, uh, Steve wanted to, uh, point out what, what the socks were from last year to get some gravel crushed. I think we're talking 2,500 yards in or not Venice, the vicinity. And then we wanted to, uh, we're going to do some sand over there. Sand over where? Out of the town. Sorry, sorry about that, Sarah. Where were you going to put the sand? The pit, the sand is out of the town pit and we're going to put it in our stockpile over at the garage. You're going to take sand out of the pit and put it in the garage. No. They're going to have McCullough process sand. Thank you. We're going to screen the sand with McCullough, take the screen sand over to the stockpile at the town garage. Okay. For winter use. Yep. I think for that, uh, no, the graders come in, uh, second week in July, maybe date and, and, uh, Susan Clark called me up the other night and she wants to have a, uh, bandstand with the night that they have the bandstand over there Wednesday night, I believe it is. She wants to grade her out so the town people can look at it and give it a birthday party. Where it's not mine. I think that's a good idea. Yeah.  So that, that's about it. Anybody got any questions? No. Yeah. Randy's got a question. Yeah. That paving grant that, are they going to touch up the end of McCullough Hill down by the bridge to, to center as well? I anticipate that being done. Yeah. I think we cover, we cover everything that's back black top now. Or as we say in the trade, make it black and don't look back. And the, the other question that I have for you, Vic is, uh, while you guys are working up on McCullough, do you have a home for that ditching material or any material that's coming out of there currently? Yeah. We have one that's really, really close right in the middle there, Randy Richardson. And then, um, down, um, down in the turnaround area there, right by, uh, uh, Matt's got the, uh, it's getting some, he's got, uh, I went by there tonight, they got the screen set up there to process that stuff. Why you need some. I'd take a few if you, if you don't have homes for it all. Okay. Yeah. Yeah, I'm sure, you know, whatever, you know, get it and get it. Everybody gets, uh, got to be fair about it. Yeah. Offer it to everybody. Yep. And, uh, but, but, uh, but Randy, uh, uh, when we start doing the Bermary removal at the first of September down on, uh, center road for that paving job, you could get some of that, you'd be real close. Then just put me in line for that. Whatever is the most efficient. And that's more better stuff. Cause it's all, all gravelly sandy stuff. Yeah, that's, that's fine, Victor. I'll wait till then. Okay. But I'll, uh, I'll let, I'll discuss it or I'll let Shane know tomorrow we're going to start putting Colbert's in and, uh, and, uh, see what, what he's, what he thinks. And cause we got some, uh, but the stuff that Newton takes, you'd be a little bit far away. That's going to go to Peter and, um, and, um, what's your guys name? Joe McCarty, Joe McCarty and Johnny Peaker, they're kind of right on both ends of it. Yeah, I would only, I only, if it's efficient Peter or, uh, Victor, sorry. How much are you looking for? Uh, I can lose quite a bit out there by the end of the driveway where we, uh, dumped it last year. Okay. So you, you got something that would, would tell, uh, the truck driver where to go? Yeah. Let me know ahead if you decide that you're going to start shooting something there and I'll mark it off. And what I did last year is I actually rented an excavator to bail off the material and stay ahead of them too. So depending on what you think you need to get rid of, you know, we'll, we'll figure that out. Just give me a call. We can talk about it. Okay. Very good, Randy. Yes. Sarah. So I want to write my scooter to work over the next couple of weeks. Are you guys going to be doing any grading on Molly's Supel or Brook Road or anything else like that? I need to be aware of. I don't think that we'll be grading unless it gets really bad. Okay. Really bad. What is really bad? Just, just from dust and dirt and not rain, right? Right. Okay. All right. Thanks. Just let me know. If you get bad, I'll get in the grader and run down through there for you just for you. She doesn't like the grader. She doesn't like all the loose dirt and stuff. Exactly. That's what I don't want. Okay. There's going to start putting chlorine when it rains and right after you grade that the issue is the pump that Austin is fixed in as soon as we get that fixed. We'll, we'll put some chloride in water down and it should be less dusted. Okay. I just don't want to get come be halfway from home and have big piles of dirt that I have to get around. Okay. Thank you. Yeah. We'll do our best there. Anything else for Victor or anybody? Good report, Vic. Thank you. Okay. Well, just why will you have why we have Victor queued up? I want them to have a quick, a quick discussion just to make sure I have the right understanding about the implementation of our revised personnel policy. I am meeting with the road crew tomorrow morning at six o'clock and Victor mentioned that I'm hoping to get out of there with my life. So I want to be sure I tell them the right stuff. My memory is when we discussed the new limit on carryover vacation time that we were going to implement that effective a year from this July. In other words, anybody who had extra time would have this year to use up that extra time before it disappeared. But I want to make sure everybody everybody agrees with that. I just don't think it's fair to tell them May 18th. We say that and you have to use up your time by July 1st of this year. That just doesn't fit the SNF death for me. And to clarify, it is not new limits. These are the same limits we've carried forward. Just put a date that we're going to implement enforcing the limits. Right. And now the other question you're going to get if you want to if you want to know what it I mean, can we talk about that? We have to go to executive. Now they were concerned about when they get their time, their annual leave. Don't they get so much every two weeks? They earn it every week in their paycheck. If they follow their paycheck, they'll see it accrues each week. Each week is not change each pay period. Yeah. So so it's not changed either. So none of this is new information. It's just nothing was being followed. Right. OK, so so if that person had what's what's the maximum and carry over top you had 120 hours, 20 hours, 15. Yes, 100. Yeah, 120 hours. OK, so so if a guy's got 120 hours a year from July 1st, then if he goes in and he gets what I don't know, must be six hours or something of pay period. Whatever it falls out to be, I don't have the numbers in front of me. So he would have to take that off. No, it's carry forward. So if they had 135 hours sitting on the books on June 30th, they would only be able to carry over 120. OK, right. Nobody's saying they have to use it. They just can't carry over more than that from year to year. What is Dorenda pointed out? That's what our policy has said all along. Right, right. Just we haven't enforced it. So this is this is the warning that you've got a year to get your, you know, what, together or you're going to make your time. Yeah, make sure you take it. So we are we are in agreement that it's a year from this July when the hundred and twenty goes into effect. Right. Yes. Like I said, I'm surprised that anybody is in that situation, but I could go back and look other than Sarah. But I can I mean, because normally the Highway Department has been keeping right up with their hours. Right. Well, we'll we'll see what it is. I just want to be sure. Want to be sure I give them the straight the straight pitch. And I'm willing to say we should not amend our personnel policy to say that that it will be in the minutes that that particular provision is going to be implemented effective. July one twenty twenty two. You've got that, Sarah. Yep. You need to get it for more than more than one reason, as you well know. Yeah, we're just going to have to put that forest leave. Yeah. So she's going to thank you. I just I just I truly I mean, I I understand that they're a little they're a little stirred up about this because they think we're taking something away from them. But obviously we are not. So I don't think they understand that they're getting it every week in their paycheck. They they think they're going to get like six days on their anniversary or something. No, that's that's not true. They this was all explained to him a year ago, Victor. Yeah, I know years ago. I know. We'll see how I do. If I if I shoot up a flare, come with your shotguns loaded with salt and get me out of there. OK, I'll be there anyways. OK, well, as long as you're there to back me up, Victor, I'm comfortable. OK, OK, they've never they may they may talk about me behind my back. But when I'm there, they're pretty nice to me. So that's good. Yeah, that's that's good. I'll be there. If they have a copy of the old personnel policy, they'll see where it was accrued every single week. Every single pay period. Well, they should see it on their checkstub and they should see it on their checkstubs. Right, right. It shows what they earn and what they use on every checkstub. Right. Can't get better than that. No. OK, thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you, Victor. So we need to approve our minutes from our May 18 select board meeting. Is there a motion? So I'll make a motion. I'll second. OK, all in favor. Hi. Hi. Hi. OK, thank you. We've approved our minutes. Correspondence from the school. I can't I can't even say what all those initials mean. Are we the electric charging station of Rumney and vandalism of Rumney property on town old land. Action unlikely. So the way I I I found that letter a little confusing that we got. I mean, I understand the vandalism. That's too bad. That's the shame. It is it is what it is. But basically what it is what it sounds like to me is they're going to keep the charging station there, but they're not going to pay for the electricity. Is that the reddit? Yeah. And I think that's fine. They're not asking us to pay for it. So that's even more fun. I just hope people I just hope people use it because there's a cost to have it there. But anyway, they didn't use it when the electricity was free. So I don't know whether they're going to use it now. Who knows? What? Why is there a cost to it, Peter? Well, it's the cost. There are two costs. There's there's the cost of having the machinery there. And you know, some of it's a software maintenance fee. I don't know what at all is Victor. I mean, he outlined it in the in the original lab. You know, it isn't it isn't an inexpensive thing. But what bothered me was the fact that they made the electricity free to which doesn't make any sense. Nobody puts any free gasoline in my pickup truck. Why should there be electricity? But the convenience of having it there I I get. But Pete. Peter, though, I didn't get it. I read the letter over and over and I just thought it was. I just didn't get it. But the like I have a charging a level two charging station in my garage. Right. Once you have it, it doesn't cost anything to maintain it. And and and if it's it is a charge point.  No, I I I get it, Victor. I I mean, the mumbo jumbo in not only that letter, but the previous letter was very confusing and it can't be that complicated. But somehow Washington Electric is charging them a pretty good amount just to have the thing there. I don't understand why that is. For some period of time, it was covered by a grant, so nobody was paying for it, but now they're going to have to. So I couldn't figure out why would you have to pay to get rid of it? I didn't see the decommissioning was fifteen hundred bucks. I don't get that either. Oh, they come and take the thing out and dig up the wires and dig up the concrete and who did you know who knows? You know, it's not our business. Thank God. So we don't worry about it. Wait till we wait till we decommission our our speed signs. But isn't that money coming out of my left pocket? Oh, yeah. The school school budget. My highway funds on the right. It's all the taxpayers. Let's let's not get into the school budget. We could we could chew on that school budget for the rest of the evening if we wanted to, I'm sure. Anyway, the good news is it isn't our issue. They're not asking us to pay for it. It's going to be there if somebody wants to use it. And hopefully that's a good thing, I guess, is what I'm saying. What were the cameras for? Is that because they had vandalism out back at the in the in the woods there where they have classrooms? No, I don't think so. But they have twenty hundred bucks for cameras. That's so they could watch over the people putting their charge card in. Right. I mean, that's all it was for. I mean, if you drive over and look at it, you can't even see the charge station.  The, you know, for the municipality, really, but isn't that on our land, the town's land? That's a good question. I think that parking lot. I've always understood that that parking lot are all that the far way far end of it is on school and but I don't know exactly where the property line is. But my understanding is the property line is behind the playground and it comes down to the road on a diagonal. So what would cover most of the park? But whether that's really true or not, I don't know. I don't know. I just I mean, it tells you something when nobody's used it for three years. Right. Exactly. Exactly. So it's kind of crazy. But anyway, it's not us. And it is too bad about the vandalism. I mean, it's probably kids running around up there. Who knows? Probably. So the next item for discussion is a brief discussion of the Montpelier Volunteer Fire Department status. No action. I just I just want to again say if we are or think we are potentially marching down the road of taking over the Fire Department, we need to think about how and how and when we're going to do that. And if we're going to give the Fire Department time to get there, get their act in order or are we going to go ahead and do that, whether they get their act in order or not? I just I don't want to make really missing two of our board members tonight. So this is a bad night to talk about it. But I don't want to I don't want to lose track of the fact that we need to deal with that issue. Because that is always been a burn in my saddle that we have no control over those folks. Now, if by doing that we're going to cause more trouble and more more headache than we avoid, then it doesn't make sense to do it. But I have to believe if we do it correctly and explain to them that, you know, yes, they're going to be they're going to be under our oversight and control, but it's not like we're going to be down there managing the operation of the Fire Department on a day to day basis. At least that certainly is right. That would only be a last resort. But I just I just fundamentally and every you've all heard me say this, but I fundamentally don't think it makes sense that we provide all the money and the building and we really have no control at all. I mean, all we can do is hold the money more more to follow on that. But I want you all to be thinking about it, please. Yeah. Next slide. I'm planning for hybrid town remote meetings going forward. Consideration of another town owned Zoom account action possible. Does I use Sarah I presume? Yeah, so there are two issues at stake. One is Elias Gardner would like the budget committee to meet on Tuesdays the same time that the select board meets in preparation of keep getting the budget committee on the schedule for the for when they start merge join the select board meetings. And as a result, he asked if it would be possible since we can't run two meetings off one Zoom account, if it would be possible for the town to pay for two Zoom accounts. So there's that issue. The other issue is that with restrictions being lifted, it seems to me that the board probably would like to think about moving to in-person meetings and also consider, as Randy pointed out and other people have pointed out, you know, setting up a mechanism to go forward so that there will be Zoom meetings to at of the of the in-person meetings. We've discussed this way. What we have at our disposal right now is I'm donating a flat screen TV that can be a monitor that the board can we someone can put it on the wall for me in town hall. The board will be able to see who is to speak, who is talking. We have a laptop the Dell laptop fill that no one seems to be using. It has a camera and a microphone. I don't know how good they are, but we it also has a way of it has an HDMI port. So we could connect the HDMI port from the laptop to the monitor, the flat screen TV. That way we could have Zoom, you know, on that laptop. The other question is, you know, do you if you guys are into this, do we get a separate microphone and camera? Those are the little things. But the big issue is, when do you want to start meeting in person again? And what do you think of this hybrid idea? I think the right idea is fine. Yeah, I like that idea that hybrid meeting meeting in person. And and I know that we women's technology there, so we should be able to have a big screen or a screen there and be able to have people participate in that in the meeting through Zoom. It's exactly when I don't know, but I think it would be nice if we could start sometime this summer. So I have a I have a I have a question and I don't even know if that's possible. But if Orca is going to be there with their camera, why can't their camera also be hooked up and provide the feed for the Zoom? Because it's not live. Yeah, there's a tape. They sometimes don't post it till a week or two later. Yeah, but they're they're recording it from that camera. So I put in the I don't know. I know the concern is so here's my concern. I don't think it's going to work for us to be sitting around that table the way we have traditionally and try and Zoom because no matter where the camera is, it isn't going to show all of us. We're going to need to figure out how to sit in some kind of horseshoe configuration, which we probably can do. So the camera can can see all of us in terms of hearing us. We'll just have to experiment and see whether we need a need a remote microphone or not. But the technology, I mean, whatever we do, we've got to set it up and try it before you know, have a have a dry run experiment to make sure that the sound is the I'm not sure. I mean, just just to finish, I'm not sure the sound from a laptop is going to be enough to fill that space. Maybe it is. I just don't know. So we try it. Yes, Sarah. Elias, is there these things called owls that you put in the middle of the table and they have a camera and they have a microphone and whoever's speaking, the owl turns to the I mean, they call them owls. I don't know why. Maybe they look like owls. They cost about 700 bucks, though, and they turn toward the speaker at the at the time and and that that is connected to the laptop. So there's that possibility. I think the larger question is right now. When do you guys want to meet in person? I mean, you can we can still zoom through this. I can still zoom through my own laptop right now, you know, make sure that people are somehow part of the meeting. But when when do you want to get when do you want to meet in person, if ever? Well, I would say I mean, I'm just I'm just throwing a date out and saying and saying September 1st. OK, let other people let other people try this and see how it works. Let's not try and reinvent the wheel. This is working. People are going to be traveling and being on vacation. Doing the zoom thing through the summer makes sense to me and and plan on September 1st being ready. Model that's just my thought. I don't know how other people feel that. I think that's fine, Pierre, but the date is actually the first Tuesday of the 7th. Of September. Well, that's what I mean. The first in September. Yes. Yeah, Phil, yeah, I agree with the September one. I, you know, that the owl idea is nice. But I think that. I probably some other ways for us to do this with an external camera that has somewhat of a wide focus and at least one, maybe two external microphones that just pick up, you know, whoever is speaking. It seems to me that we should be able to do that a lot cheaper than seven hundred dollars. And I'd be glad to do a little research on that. So what what computer is that is there that nobody's using? The Dell laptop. And I think it was for I think it was Paul said he had or I don't know. It was it's been sitting in the road. It's been sitting in the highway department box for about a year. Shane doesn't have that. No. What's Shane using for a computer? I don't know. Maybe he has a doesn't have a computer up at the highway department. Yes. Well, it doesn't even in his truck, didn't we buy a new computer for him? Yes. So I think the Dell is I think the Dell is the old. That's the Chromebook. No, no, no. It's actually Dell and it has ports in it and everything.  It's you know, it's a mini laptop. Huh. I have no idea. Well, all I'm saying guys is if we're going to do this and we're potentially going to do this for town meeting as well, making a reasonable investment to have the correct equipment with the correct software. Yeah. Have it work well, I think is important. And, you know, I don't want to spend thousands of dollars, but if we need to spend a thousand dollars or maybe a little more out of our contingency fund, we have the right software. I just I just don't want to have it be a disaster because we try and save too much. Right. I think that this has I I'm excited about this because I think it's real potential that more people participate in all kinds of meetings, not just select for it. So yeah. The computer that we have the public computer. Yeah, it's actually very powerful. I mean, I know it's small, but that's a very powerful computer. And we may be able to just reconfigure how we set up down there and just use that also with its camera and Mike as a possibility. Let's just go back to the Zoom account for a minute. So what's the cost? What are we paying for? Zoom account? We pay, I think for $35 a month, but we get we get, you know, unlimited cloud recording. Right. Do can't we just upgrade that so that we think so? I think so. I think we could just add like a like another account so that he can do he can do that. Yes. My research, I think it was something like $15 extra. For the extra. Yeah. For an extra login. Yeah, that would be no problem. No problem with $15. I mean, I was I was getting ready to say you know, with with the whole month, they absolutely have to have their meetings in the same two hour timeframe that we have our meetings. But for 15 bucks, yeah, we've got other battles to fight and you know, it may prove useful to have two accounts because there may be conflicts, other conflicts from time to time. So I believe you can do breakout rooms so they could call in and they could do a breakout room and the select board could do a breakout or have a breakout. That's done all the time. So I think there's other ways of doing it. The other thing is I thought we talked about at one point moving the select board meetings upstairs. That way you would have more room to set up your horseshoe. You'd have room to hang the large screen upstairs. So rather than trying to configure that small area down there with that computer, you would set something up upstairs. I think that makes make sense. I was thinking about that too. And also if we have, you know, it isn't just the the five or six people who show up at meetings. If all of a sudden we have more people showing up at the meeting. Being in that bigger space upstairs would make sense. So. We can wait. September 1st is a long way off. We can think about this, but I think potentially upstairs makes sense. And it's not just it's not just us. It's also the Planning Commission. They're going to have hearings. The Zoning Commission, the ZBA is eager to get meet back in person. So, you know, they they also need the more, more space up there. And. Move the famous Walter Kelly table upstairs. Yeah. No, we need that for research downstairs. We need new chairs. That's for sure for the air. Yeah, you need new chairs upstairs. Those are. Very well in those steel chair. Anyway, we figure that out. And not that this has anything to do with in-persons, but and I'm not trying to throw you under the bus fill or anything, but what's happening with these emails? We're paying for this every single morning. Except for the listeners. OK, well, let's just put them online. Take down their email.  I know they will. But I, you know, I was told no, they're not doing it yet. Well, probably not now. Don't. Not while they're not while they're dealing with grievances. I said they would do it by mid June. So I think, you know, we should call their feet to find everybody else's on everybody else's on and using it. OK. So I just it's a shame. I pay that bill every month. And it's it's too bad. Yeah, I know. I mean, I totally agree, but it's a battle I've been fighting for months. OK. You know, and I'm told we don't have any authority, so. Nope. Well, you do over your computers. I hate to say that. But that would be kind of cutting off our nose to spread our face, wouldn't it? Hey, it'll be mid June before we know it. Yeah. OK. Yeah. It's better. It's I mean, if I had any idea that this process was going to go this way, I would never have done this. Yeah. Well, we're almost there. Yeah. So Peter. Peter. Yes, Rick. I was going to ask, so I have my accounts all set up. Yeah. But nobody uses you know, I've tested with the render and stuff. But it still comes through on my own personal email. What am I? Nobody's using it. So you. OK, well, I'm going to have Dave update the website to say, you know, there's new. And again, this is one of those things where do I hold off until June? So the list is get on board or do we do it now? Wait, you're almost to June now. Let's wait and get past this. I'm going to want to stop. And OK. Yeah, great. OK. But you can certainly tell people, people, you know, when you respond to them, that it says, please use my. Middle sex Vermont account. OK. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, once once we all and I'm and I'm bad, too, because I I refer to my old habits without thinking about it. You know, what we've all got to do is is force ourselves to start using it once we start using it that people will reply to. Right. It'll work. Is there any other business before we go into executive session? Can I go back to the treasurer's report for a minute? Yes. Welch Park. They owe us forty five hundred dollars, which goes back to over a year. And you something's got to be done about this. Who is it? Is it consolidated that I was just the money or is it? Well, we were originally mailing the bills to consolidate it. We've now sent them to to Matt Oaks and the last one went to him May 24th or something like that. And, you know, and we sent him all the past two ones as well. OK. Would you would you copy that email to me with his contact information and I'm just going to badger him to death?  Yeah. OK. I agree. They owe us for all the insurances and it goes back to water testing because a year ago we were still on the water thing. I think there's might even be some bills there to shun that. OK. I don't have them in front of me. But I know I was just looking at the last email that went out to Matt and it was the invoices were like forty five hundred dollars. Yeah. No, it's crazy. I agree. You're going to thank you. So get that to me and I will report back to you after I talk to him. Yes, Victor. Back to the the just an FYI for the render. We're going to get that mowing machine to mow the sides of the road first week in July. We tried to get it the last week in June. But they we did and then they changed it on us. So we'll be running that. And if we'll try to swap it around, but somebody might get a little overtime. We've got it for a week. So kind of got a run. Yeah, it's actually only four days. They pick it up at ten o'clock on Friday morning or something. So you really only have it four days. Yeah. Victor, it's not going to be that much overtime anyway, no matter what. So. No, no, I know, I know, Steve, it isn't. But we were saying and I were talking about it and, you know, and he he he asked me about it. And I just said, well, if we got to have a little bit, we got to have a little bit. I know he works from over time and he just took off early to make up for it and keep his forty hours, which. Is as well, if it's a fixed cost for the machine, so the thing never gets called that whole week, it's fine with me. OK, run that. Run it, get the get the job. That's what's important. Yeah, exactly. OK, anything else anyone before we go into executive session? OK, then. Now, how do we do this with two executive sessions?  Sarah, well, you can make a motion to an executive session for both reasons. That's probably the most practical. There you go. So would someone make that motion please, Steve or Bill? I'll make that motion. We go into executive session for both sessions and that now do you want Dorinda and Sarah to be present? Yes. Yes, I would say so. Yes. OK, second. Bill seconds it all in favor. Hi. Hi. All right, let me just get rid of people. OK. Hi, everybody. Randy Victor. Hi, guys. The recording has stopped.