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with an extreme topography characterized by steep slopes and narrow villages. The forests along these steep slopes are protecting the villages in the narrow valleys against avalanches, rockfalls, landslides and wide waters. Life without these forests would not be possible. Therefore the sustainability of the forests is essential for the development as a whole. Back in the 19th century deforestation was a big issue in Switzerland. The industrial revolution led to a sharp increase of population and wood was at that time the only available resource. The increased demand for construction and firewood triggered an uncontrolled deforestation. The consequences in the second half of the 19th century were devastating. Avalanches, landslides, rockfallings and flood destroyed many of these villages. Against this background the Swiss government was forced to take drastic measures by introducing the first time the principle of sustainability in a forest law in 1876. This law is still the backbone of our forestry policy. It says as a rule deforestation is prohibited. In exceptional cases a deforestation permit may be granted but for all deforestation compensation in kind must be provided in the same region. The result of this policy is that the surface of forests in Switzerland increased by more than 30% during the last 140 years. Lessons learned of our experience. Social forestry plays a key role and rests on strong institutions. Actually we don't know anything else than social forestry in Switzerland. I think what we also understood that ownership, ownership for the respect and for the maintaining the forests is very crucial and we have in Switzerland I think the situation where all stakeholders still are very much backing this forest law. Today it's about accommodating interests of protecting the forests with sustainable agriculture and with sustainable tourism. Now this own experience might also explain why Switzerland is supporting sustainable forestry all over the world including Southeast Asia. One prominent example is the ASEAN-Swiss partnership on social forestry and climate change and with this project we want support three main things that social forestry should be integrated in a overall policy. The second is it's important to share experience between the different ASEAN member countries about best practices in social forestry and the third objective of this project is to build capacity. I would take also this opportunity to announce the next ASEAN social forestry conference. It will highlight the theme on enhancing livelihood and conservation benefits through social forestry for a green ASEAN community in Kotoki Nabalo Sabah from the 21st to the 26th of May. I wish you all a good discussion forum. Thank you very much. I'd like to invite Dr Aman Razal if we can pass this mic over here. Oh you have one, oh great. This is a study that I undertook together with our moderator Ms Krissi Guerrero of the non timber forest products exchange program and we are thankful to all the respondents and the organizations that provided us with the data that we collected on technologies that are available for non timber forest products in the region and if I don't mention your technology it's not because your technology is important it's not it's not important just because I only have 10 minutes to for this discussion. The inspiration to this study was the experience of the non timber forest products exchange program in initiating the tie-up or the linkage between the Cambodia resin gatherers and the researchers at the forest products research and development institute in Los Baños. The resin gatherers in Cambodia are an impoverished group. They do not get enough value from the resins that they gather and what they did was what NTFP did was to link them with the researchers at FPRDI in the Philippines which help identify the components present in the resin and consequently this has helped improve the processing and utilization of resin in Cambodia. Next please. The outline of presentation is a shown. Next please. And for the six countries that we visited we have a long list of different non timber forest products. Next please. And we are highlighting here the non timber forest products that have received considerable research attention in the countries that we visited and also some degree of commercialization. Next please. And as for the trends in as far as utilization and processing of non timber forest products is concerned there is a wide range of NTFPs including bamboo, rattan, spams, resins, wild food and medicinal plants. And next please. And what we have noticed is that for similar non timber forest products there is varying degree of utilization and therefore benefits derived by the forest based communities across countries. In many areas the NTFPs remain unprocessed at the community level and we have noticed that a visionary, a leader is important in the community to initiate or pursue value addition and enterprise development activities. Next please. And we have also noticed that gatherers and producers of non timber forest products while they initiate the value chain the performance of this vital function is grossly underrated because they don't get much value from the harvesting of the NTFPs. Next please. And to show you how important NTFPs are an estimated 300 million people in the ASEAN region are dependent on forest and mostly these are indigenous peoples whose customary ways are linked closely with non timber forest products. Non timber forest products account for as much as 25% of the income of close to 1 billion people globally. Next please. And what we have noticed also is that the gathering or production of non timber forest products are largely undocumented or poorly recorded. And there is an existence of local markets that where the local people can sell their products and also significant cross border, mainly illegal markets. And for the commercially traded products, the volumes of globally traded products are fluctuating. And we have also observed that interregional NTFP trade meaning trade between ASEAN member countries are small compared to trade between ASEAN and the rest of the world. Next please. For the scope of the study, we simply looked at the different products and processes that are used to convert NTFPs. And the objective of this is to determine what technologies can be shared across countries with the end in view of finding technologies that can be shared that can address the emergence of the green economy. And by technology we mean interventions or activities that can add value to the resource, primarily for the gatherers, the processors at the community level to gain higher benefit from these products. And as mentioned, we have visited six countries. These are Malaysia, Indonesia, Myanmar, Laos, Cambodia and the Philippines. And basically we interviewed representatives of government organizations, NGOs. And we had actually very few time available to visit private and actual NTFP processing operations. Next please. And we have observed that R&D on developing technologies for bamboo dominate the R&D activities in the six countries visited, encompassing propagation, plantation development, product development, pole preservation, as well as analysis of bamboo value chains. As far as R&D technologies are concerned, what stands out is what Laos is doing. It has undergone certification of R&D forest. And the R&D are delivered to certified manufacturer who is of NFC chain of cost to be certified. And he makes products following sustainable designs with minimal use of materials, less waste and avoid the use of nails and fasteners. However, this is an isolated case and the efforts for certification of R&D have to be replicated. Next please. In the Philippines, there is a SABU furniture industry federation that produce innovative high end furniture designs. They use mixed materials. Aside from R&D, they use vines, bamboo, marble to make furniture products. And they continuously train the workforce to become more skilled in furniture making and design. Next please. The Forest Research Institute in Malaysia, they formulate and develop an array of plant-based health products such as nutraceuticals and they do this in collaboration with the private sector and the community to ensure the sustainable supply of plant materials. Next please. In Indonesia, they were able to develop an inoculation method to infect the acularia tree to accumulate the resin. And this involves the use of liquid preparation of three compatible inoculant strains which are injected to the tree at the right time to induce the formation of resin-rich acularia wood. Next please. And in Cambodia, there is an enterprise that undertakes the drying of choreifa leaves and they were also able to develop a mechanical bundling equipment prior to the shipment of the leaves to Vietnam. Basically, that is the one that is used to make the Vietnam hats. Next please. And a long list of other technologies and innovations like in Indonesia. We have colleagues here who will talk about the Indonesian forest honey network. And again, I mentioned this earlier, the composition of the dipterocarp resin in Cambodia has been determined which expanded uses and enabled better tapping and harvesting and handling practices that increased the value for resin gatherers. Also in Cambodia, they were able to document the sources and collection methods for wild food recipes. And they found that food is adulterated when you add synthetic condiments. And consequently, they also developed agrosystem models for better management and conservation of the forest for food. Next please. In the Philippines, we have a Philippine textile research institute that developed environment friendly extraction processes from different plant sources. And they were able to develop technology to convert the extracts into dye powder for longer shelf life, convenience and transport, and a broad range of other applications. Next please. Next please. Yeah. Oops. Next please. Okay. And among the issues and that we have been able to identify as a result of the study is the paucity of research on non timber forest products. A recurring theme here in this conference is the paucity of research over all in forestry. But consider that NTFE products are a minor component of forest. And therefore, the research activities is even much smaller compared to the research being done on timber resources. There is also a mismatch between non timber forest products research, priorities and actual gaps. Our colleagues in Cambodia complained, in Myanmar complained that NGOs have very little information to share with the communities that they serve because the research institute does not conduct a lot of research that will be useful to the community. We also have problems with sustainability of non timber forest products. Data on non timber forest products are lacking and there are methodological problems to determine how adequate the resource is to meet the demands of industry. Next please. And of course, we have problems with availability and access to information. Communities that need information on technologies for non timber forest products are basically remote relative to the location of the research institute. And therefore, they cannot access updated information on NTFEs. There is also a problem with access to financing, especially in the acquisition of equipment that is needed to convert non timber forest products. And in terms of scaling up and transforming NTFEs, this requires long term studies. But basically the funders of research on NTFEs like government is impatient on research results that can be generated. Next please. And of course it's also important to highlight the role of policy. We have noted that relatively the policies are inadequate in most of the countries that we have visited. And as a result, households, communities and the private sector are not able to set out long term plans for plantation and business enterprise development. Of course in contrast, Indonesia has recently completed a set of NTFE specific policies. And also in Cambodia, they have provided a three year tax breaks for community based honey enterprise. Overall, contradicting policies remain that continue to hamper the NTFE sector development across the region. Next please. So for our recommendations, especially in regard to what the ASEAN can do, we would like to have a network of institutions in different ASEAN countries created, established on the basis of the strengths or the capacity that exists in each of these countries. We also are recommending the creation of an ASEAN expert working group on non timber forest products that will provide a regional cooperation among the proposed country based centers. And we hope that non timber forest products will be included as part of this programs. National policy should be more aggressive in promoting the ASEAN economic community. The research done by Chandra and Co, this 2014 shows that those 65 to 99% of all businesses in ASEAN countries are micro small medium enterprises. There hasn't been a lot of focus. There hasn't been a lot of benefit for this group. So we're trying to see how we can involve that, especially in the social forestry sector. So I turn over to a small enterprise to Rakhib to share their community forestry and their forest honey experience. So please kindly use the translation device as well. Thank you. Can we shut the lights please? In order to return the drone image to the forest honey, we're still doing training at the Kulompok level, especially with the Lestari and Hygienist system, with the Tiris system, to improve the quality of this honey. The forest honey is one of the products that we're really interested in and some analysts have seen that the forest honey is a very organic product and can be developed into a product that makes the lives of the people healthy. According to us here, the forest is very supportive for the development of the forest here. So we don't have any kind of development, any kind of development, but we're only interested in coffee and rice. The forest honey is used in many areas, especially near the forests, so we hope that they won't spread the honey, but keep the honey as well. The forest honey is probably good, the taste is also good, because we've been doing this for two and a half years, more than 11 tons of forest honey that we've managed to produce. So if we want to reduce the consumption of the forest honey in Indonesia, we have to make sure that the product that we produce always meets the standard that has been established. The forest honey is one of the potentials owned by Indonesia. The economy that we build in the forest honey is how to increase the population of the forest and how to increase the population of the community. We hope that anyone who wants to be the building owner of the BNI will be able to increase the population of his life, will be able to increase his knowledge and, God willing, all forest honey will be able to produce a global market. Welcome to the Indonesian forest honey or JMAI. The Indonesian forest honey was born in 2005 with the secretary of the Riyak Bumi Ponte Anak and PD Dian Diaga Jakarta was part of the project. JMAI was established to establish the forest as a wild habitat, to increase the population of the forest and to respect the local heritage. Now there are 9 meters of support, more than 1,000 forest honey in the 80s in Indonesia. The forest honey combined in JMAI in 2007. Through the Indonesian forest honey, the forest honey and the Higines forest because of the demand for quality honey. The forest honey is more than 450 of the forest and 11 cooperations with more than 17,000 hectares of forest in the combination of the production of the forest honey. Then the production capacity of the Indonesian forest honey The forest honey from the Indonesian forest honey was estimated to reach 200 tons per year. In 2008, PD Dian Diaga spent 15.9 tons. A large part was sold to MUI. At the community level, about 1.35 billion or 118.4 U.S. dollars. The total production was close to 70 tons. The production of the Indonesian forest honey per year from 2008 to 2013 as we can see on the table. For example, Sumbawa forest honey 50 tons 125 kilograms This can be seen from according to Ikelim because there are very few bees there. Then the price of the forest from 2008 to 2013 with the intervention of the forest honey the price of the forest honey increased by 14 percent up to 321 percent. The price of the forest honey was raised in 2008 one example we see on the table which is associated with Sumbawa 28 thousand per kilogram and now it has reached 2013 90 thousand per kilogram here we see that there is a significant increase with the presence of the Indonesian forest honey. Then the presence of the forest honey and the sale of the Sumbawa forest honey data shows that the contribution of the forest honey to the family is 2 500 thousand or with 220 US dollars from the cooperation supported by the Sumbawa forest honey they also received the contribution from the Sumbawa forest honey sale then the sale was done by the Sumbawa forest honey the stock in Sumbawa started to sell other local and sell online other for MOE so we see on the table how the data of the Sumbawa forest honey with the Sumbawa forest honey in Jakarta since 2008 until 2013 so from the first there are 3 tons 435 then 3 tons 435 in 2010 2 tons 10 kilogram then 2011 5 tons 680 2012 5 tons 900 and 2013 with 5 tons then the contribution of the Sumbawa forest honey combined with the Sumbawa forest honey the first exchange of information increased the attention of the Sumbawa forest honey or local and international organizations especially the continued development of the market together and connect the production of the Sumbawa forest honey with the Sumbawa forest honey because of the results and the agreement of the Sumbawa forest honey the organization that now the official development of the intellectual property Sumbawa forest honey now the Sumbawa forest honey the organization that now the Sumbawa forest honey can be developed from the the condition that does not benefit from the the interpension of the Sumbawa forest honey then the challenge the increase the capacity is still needed at the city level and many farmers still need to practice following the standard of the Sumbawa forest honey then the Sumbawa forest honey supported by the Sumbawa forest honey still a little and because the maximum production is not reached then the competition with the exchange exchange has affected the production of the honey limited the staff of the Sumbawa forest honey to monitor to see to see then the recommendation from the government the first which is to cover the economic project that causes deforestation and support economic project such as the effort the result of the forest honey that increases the quality of the forest the second support the way to promote the production of the honey such as the certification of the geographical indication the third support the promotion of the Sumbawa forest honey or the central plan the development integration from Hulu to Hilir in Sumbawa and other regions by the Ministry of Forest the fourth explain the plan to implement the Pajak distribution for the forest honey at the level of ASEAN if there will be an ASEAN integration program inform the forest honey and the production NTVF how they can contribute and benefit from the private sector the first to help the development and promotion by the products and other resources in Sumbawa the second to facilitate the services for the forest honey thank you if we go to Europe we are ready to return almost in the map all the map is it is far in very remote area but we can see the blue sky no pollution it is a really good quality of honey so next slide this is our common ground maybe I can don't need to explain more but we put B in the planet and 3 conservation B we concern to apis dorsata only because the other B is apis melifera apis serena it is cultivated honey or we call it box honey apis dorsata is wild it is untamed it is really wild in the other hand honey collector group GMHI encourage to plant a tree as the nectar sources for the B so this is a people B and the profit will explain in the later next we focus on only apis dorsata the giant rock B it is one inch the biggest B in the world but it is funny in Europe in the European community apis dorsata is not considered as B just another insect maybe some kind of protection they consider B is only from apis melifera we also protect the habitat of B of course the forest itself encourage the forest drilling people the indigenous people to protect the habitat for alternative income from non timber forest product build a profitable trading system with profit sharing provide a marketing of good quality honey and good price next this is a simple value change for supplier forest honey supplier and GMHI members and Tianyaga actually not production producer of honey is B itself we just do the bottling, labeling and send to M-way beside of M-way there is also supermarket corporate but this is short list of change we also have support from Swiss contact for instance problem 2009 2010 and 2011 there is no honey at all so I almost get claim from Pakun from M-way we invite him please go to the site inspect by yourself there is no honey at all there is the float there is the banjir float in the Dano and the in Dano centrum like centrum mostly used to cook artificial nest so the fish get benefit from the comb so honey collector get nothing pricing apis melifera and apis serena is cultivate honey so they have to income from the pollination services and also from the honey they can sell little quite cheap lower price than dorsata and in Jakarta of course we compete with foreign product like manuka honey they prefer to take manuka from New Zealand instead of our brand dorsata yeah channel distribution is very high cost for Indonesia that's why we we consider we have the multi-level marketing in our networking for marketing the other challenge is the education for customer is like this for one kilo for honey the bee should visit 4 million flowers but to produce one kilo for market the bee produce 8 kilo to consume it it's mean for one kilo that is 32 million visiting to the if we sell in the 300 gram 300 gram it is maybe close to 10 million visiting the bee foraging so this is this is totally difference if we compare with import honey from China they put the box in the what in the green house inside they produce honey I don't know not human not bee is not treat bee like that bee should be in the nature so we also didn't show here in the presentation before the honey collector climb the tree they do a praying a chanting they sing a beautiful song in the middle of night very amazing so forest honey is a part of religion a part of culture a part of conservation this is not a simple product as both honey not business at all more complicated last minute or so sorry we need lot of research this is the bottle of M-way how much they sell it is 148,800 close to 12 euro in retail price and this is for middle income the next this is dorsata dorsata also selling in 150,000 per 3,300 gram the gift item actually is designed for Garuda and also for President Yudo Yono President gift item but we wait for the sixth type at last we get the florist one and we have complete six type in one pack but unfortunately the contact of the president house is I don't know we can not contact him maybe Kape take him until now we didn't success to sell this as a gift item the Madutan is the for economic the next this is the market expand 2006 2007 and 2014 we try to export but to Holland and to Switzerland but the price is not encouraging in the retail price in Europe it is 4 to 5 euro per half liter it is if we sell it in Indonesia 3 times we can sell it in Indonesia 12 euro so it is no point to export I think the last is profit sharing the group of farmer get 30% from our market from our profit and NGO why NGO get 20% because we need NGO the most difficult to start business is who trust who when I must pay the honey collector they refuse check they want a bank note but how to carry so many bank note it is scary 53 hour to the jungle so do the marketing you take the honey from the forest gate and sell in very sophisticated market in Jakarta it is very delicate last year we bring 1.2 million rupiah it is a lot of money we need NGO to do the internet not possible to bring bank note at any time and gem HSI take 10% our profit sharing and marketing take 40% and this is the last this is the last one quotation from the Albert Einstein if the bee extinct from the earth mankind have only 4 years to survive you see the the sad picture that is the colony collapse disorder the apis melifera is dying the colony decrease no more pollination this is the reason no plan no more animal and maybe no more mankind thank you thank you very much but Johnny about 450 years ago and commonly cultivated in the mountainous area and 90% of the regional income set to come from the coffee and more than 1 fourth of the family entirely depend on coffee production for their living that means a small cultivator staple food rice or maize necessity such as the closest from the coffee revenue only the coffee revenue on average they can get 200 to 250 US dollar in 2012 when I started to research in this area and East Timor is a mountainous topography which limit the agriculture land available and strongly seasonal which also limited planting season and soil derived from limestone it's actually chemically rich but physically very difficult to cultivate because during the dry season it becomes too hard to cultivate so the East Timor is far from the self sufficiency of food so this ok next slide please so this is the topography of the East Timor as you can see from this slide there is no vegetation due to the repeated slush and barn agriculture and also the heavy grazing by cattle and of course the top soil almost eroded next slide please ok so coffee so they actually the planting the Arabica coffee which is internationally highly placed and they are cultivating coffee traditional way that means they plant shade tree first and waiting for approximately 10 years and then they plant the coffee seeding beneath the shade tree and they use no agricultural chemicals or no fertilizer simply because they cannot afford to buy and they do no pruning or no waiting at all so all coffee cultivation in East Timor can be said environment conserving they are actually creating forests and which means the coffee cultivation in East Timor is friendly next slide so this is the coffee garden actually I may call it coffee forest and as you can see the coffee can grow easily without pruning at the height of 5 meter and the small boy have to climb up to pick up the cherry behind the coffee tree you can see Paracelian one of two shade tree which is planted in East Timor next slide please so this is a forest and man made forest but beneath this shade tree there is a coffee so this is a coffee forest again this is a topography of the East Timor you can see below there is a forest this is another shade tree a castle linear tree and again under this castle there is a coffee production only the coffee cultivated we can see the forest okay next so but this environment conserving of coffee cultivation the eat remained low and poor quality actually potentially this Arabic coffee is high quality but due to the poor harvest and poor post harvest technique the quality remains very low and the purchase price also remained very very low and why the people do not improve the coffee quality is it difficult to improve the quality of the coffee actually not at all it's very very simple no high tech or no cost of improving but for example this is selecting the high quality beans even the small children can do it and why are the coffee growing community rarely interested in the quality of the coffee because little access to knowledge or method for improving quality and adding value and also they are cut off from outside market there's only one agent or buyer in East Timor and they are buying coffee with fixed price and this local price does not reflect real market price so there's a weak incentive to improve the quality of the coffee okay so we made a project to improve this situation putting the local farmer or producer in global context and improving agroecological harvesting and processing technique which was assisted by the coffee company Pette Torreco-Torreger in Indonesia they warmly welcomed coffee cultivator of East Timor to the Torreger area and they can communicate in Bahasa easily thanks to Pette Torreger and also the producer by promoting consumer public to select green product and those to improve the cultivator status within the commodity chain okay so next one please okay next I'm going too fast okay next one okay next one next one okay so okay this is actually so everybody is putting too many things to the green economies but for me it seems there's a three pillar for green economy the one is quality product and the other one is quality environment and the third one is economic viability and to connect these three things okay next one please mediation is important mediation through the social relationship this is the key to achieve the green economy next one please Pette Torreger what is Pette Torreger also this is many meaning but for me this is just linked between the production side and the consumer side for the production side emphasizing the environment conservation or coffee quality to add the value in the industrial market and for consumption side inspires consumers to know how and by whom the commodity they can consume and produce this is very important things next slide please these small girls are actually producing the coffee in East Timor and you may okay next one please you may think this is child labor actually not this is a family work of course this situation is not best but it is not child labor to be blamed okay next one please so all the women also helping to collect the coffee okay next so the linkage beyond market place that's a very significant to improve the quality of improving the quality of the connection to overcome not in my backyard sentiment and also to overcome dichotomy of the producer and the consumer so consumer should be the producer if properly connected okay next one please and another significant is the pride of skilled production that's important for the people there increase the confidence from gaining adequate live food and the mating family when the environment enhancing activity can be get from this skill of production and pride of that so okay next one please so family agriculture this is a year of the family agriculture which United Nations are discriminated and it is said there are over 500 million family farms and also there are responsible for at least 56% of agricultural product on 56% of the land and in the case of the coffee 70% are coming from the small family cultivation and if that is so green economy never never never realized without the last one please the small farmers pride for future that's what I want to say thank you very much thank you very much Professor Kenichi we face a lot of challenge next please we learn from almost 35 years of commercial logging in Indonesia and it seems that the local community they don't get substantial you know access to the forest it also at the end a lot of territorial conflict social unrest because they don't have enough land especially in Sumatra in Kalimantan and right now there are problem of logging still and on the extent of the illegal migration is the common problem in Sumatra and Kalimantan in forest and land fire illegal forest conversion and land selling illegal land selling and so on it's happening one of the reason is also because of the legal law enforcement this is the problem we face next please and we we think that the social forestry could be a appropriate solution we provide access to the local community to the farmer who work near the forest area or in the forest area and we secure the access for them for 35 years at least we guarantee access they manage the state forest for quite numbers of years next please but unfortunately it is not easy when we set up a policy to put almost 22 million hectares of state forest land for the local people but the proposal from the forest district is only about 800,000 hectares so less than half and the forest the proposal go to Jakarta and we process the proposal from the district but there are many problems and only 300,000 hectares we can issue the permit and even when the ministry issue the permit for 300,000 hectares for forest community there is still a problem that the district level only can issue 80,000 hectares very small portion so we face the problem of the it seems to me that the local district they are not willing to put this social forestry program into their priority even though the proposal is coming from their people in that district so it is something surprising for me maybe if the proposal coming from mining is different story for local people is of course this this program is very important but local district it seems they look at a different way Anjut, go ahead for the Hutandesa is quite interesting because the national target is 500,000 but the proposal is more than the national target is more than 700,000 hectares and again there is a problem that until now we just issue 266,000 hectares and support from the governor is also very weak except the governor from from from Jambi, I know Jambi because there is a war seat there and West Sumatra province is very eager to put a lot of Hutandesa in that so the project is very much not only problem at Jakarta level but also there is a problem at the provincial and district level to support this program go ahead the common characteristic of solar frustrations in ASEAN go ahead please this is the common at the ASEAN country community living in surrounding forests and empowerment of the community in sustainable forest management through awareness raising capacity building and so on participation and the profession of right is very important go ahead social forestry program activities and improving community livelihood the social forestry enterprise development developing non-team refresh product upstream and downstream linkage is also becoming the constant across the country at the ASEAN level go ahead multi-stakeholder engagement for bamboo and social forestry program it just have Indonesia Council on bamboo development Indonesia Bamboo foundation and so on facilitation and partnership in the community and enterprise development for bamboo product from forest areas go ahead multi-stakeholder engagement for natural sex also one of the program we have across ministry partnership forestry industry trade small and medium enterprises tourism and creative economy go ahead multi-stakeholder engagement in agarwood forest honey and ratan as we know already we have sentra for many non-team refresh product ratan for instance is also one of our constant go ahead research commitment needed for ensuring sustainable social forestry there are social forestry evaluation research result that solidify the economic environment and social cultural values of social forestry is very important research on the right tree for the right place scientifically proven recommendation for selection three is any social forestry practices research on market demand market potential risk and cost go ahead but will you be able to wrap up in one minute? one minute okay investment require for social forestry and sustainable value chain investment from central and local government and budget allocation for social forestry investment from private sector through focus group discussion multi-stakeholder processes and demanding relevant value for social forestry product branding, marketing benefit sharing investment from social from local community go ahead thank you very much for sharing the results activities and challenges of social forestry we thank you Dr. Paddock for your short input I'm to fewer than those so I will attempt to make a few comments I'll attempt to make them vaguely coherent although I doubt that I'm going to reach that and I'm going to do it very very quickly so what I think you know since I can only make about two or three points I think what we've seen here are several very interesting examples very important examples of how research institutions government institutions outreach training can work and the private sector can actually work within small holder systems both to enhance not only environments, forests sustainable landscapes but also livelihoods of people and I think it's important the idea of working within these institutions within these systems actually trying to build upon knowledge, trying to build upon local organization trying to build upon what the environment offers trying to build upon traditions of management traditions that are valued for various reasons rather than trying to replace them I think this morning for instance we heard about some visions of green economy and some that could possibly be and probably are quite profitable for small holders but I think there are other models and I think we've heard here about these other models where small holders are not just tiny little industrial producers they're not just feeding into an industrial process but actually there are ways there are other models of a green economy there are other models of enhancing small holder systems of linking the private sector with communities community producers this is such an enormous enormous private sector actually and to offer another model which perhaps should not be the only model but it isn't a model we also need of what green economy can mean and what enhancing local communities can actually mean so I think that what we've seen here is both an enrichment of that knowledge and an enrichment of that discussion of what green economy can be and also it's I think very important for updating what local communities really are often we focus very much just on how remote they are and many of them are remote but also many of them are participating in markets quite effectively and none of this is very easy but this is a challenge that all of our institutions and all of us I think need to work on I would also like to add just one little thing and I promise this will be sort of one sentence or so on the idea of updating our ideas of what the local communities are and what they can be and I think often that somehow eludes us and it's actually something that we're also working on in the ASFC projects and in the ASEAN social forestry network also understanding just how mobile not only how linked to other communities small holders can be but how mobile they are and understanding this sort of diversity of how they make their livelihoods also to understand for instance the importance of migration and remittances these days and if we're going to talk about some of these value chains and we're going to talk about investment maybe we should also talk about attempts to really to both understand and to channel remittances all those all of these communities have people who have gone to cities who've gone many of whom have even gone overseas and are looking for ways also I think to successfully invest what they bring back and for families to successfully capture that and invest and I think this is yet another area if I may add to this conversation another area which again may sort of level the playing field a bit more for small holders and can also add new and more sort of profound meaning to what green economy actually can be thank you. Thank you very much Dr. Christine for your inputs. You mentioned their share of costs among actors along the value chains mentioned about farmers she mentions about marketing and what is you mentioned about the share to NGO which is 20% so doesn't mean that NGO take over the roles of middlemen I think that's my questions after I find the market don't like me because it takes almost 18 months to meet M-Way approved by M-Way so that is time investment and so we need trust I also their partner is we shake hand three of us please guide the quality don't your people mix with sugar and I get claim from market is please don't happen three of us we trust each other the integrity because we need the same commitment to start this long term to marketing we need a stamina to do everything networking this is networking marketing not middlemen this is a long term commitment between us until now we keep our honor to ourselves and I still do the marketing whatever hard the job I do it and asking about the profit sharing I think it's not take over the profit like a reward profit sharing is profit and risk taking so when they sell the price to say 90,000 rupiah we pay 90,000 rupiah and then after we marketing to M-Way that is a profit margin again that is split to 30% for indigenous people group 20% for NGO who facilitating them and 10% for association this we need our own pocket money so the Jaringan is not depend too much to donor with our we are free to do what we think is good and marketing take a 40% that is the SOP of JMHI thank you


What's up everyone, welcome into the front yard fantasy hour, brought to you by FanDuel. I'm your host Simon, joined as always by my wildly handsome, irreplaceable co-host John McGrath Lowe and Gman J. What's up boys? What up? What's happening? You guys doing all right? Joining us today is one of our great friends in this industry, one of the smartest fantasy football brains there is out there and the football guy over at Football Guys. Don't tell Joe Bryant that I said that. We've got our friend Dave Kluge here with us today. What's up Dave? What's going on guys?  I mean, it's never a bad time being with the FIF crew, but excited for today's show. We love you Dave.  Is that the truth? Yeah, but that being said, I'm kind of good at it. I feel like this is my best game, so let's keep it going.  I do not want to answer whatever BS questions came out of Simon's brain. We got some people in the chat ready for today's show as well. Dame in here says, well, howdy there. What's up, Dave? Welcome in. What's up, Dave? Scampers. Meow. Said, let's go Dave. Dave. And we got Raj in here, said, where? Run it back. Dave's trying to run it back with another victory at fantasy fortune today and we got DJ in here saying sup. What's up DJ? Grim had a question for us to kick off today's show before we get into our game of fantasy fortune. Grim wanted to know, was placing the franchise tag on Evan Ingram, the right move for the Jacksonville Jaguars, or should they have let him hit free agency? Dave, I'll throw this one to you first. We got news today that they were expected to place the franchise tag on him. I don't think it's official yet. Do you think this is the right move for the Jaguars? Absolutely. I mean, he came to life. So I'm at the most he's had in his career. The first year he got out of New York, this kid had so much promise coming into the league and I feel like the Giants just never found a way to properly utilize him and then he had some bad catches in big prime time games and the media and the fan base and we all know a toxic that New York media can be. They really just used him as the scapegoat for so many of the problems that were happening in New York. So I think him getting a fresh start under Doug Peterson, who has brought out the best in Zach Ertz, Travis Kelsey, you know, even Richard Rogers was having good seasons underneath Doug Peterson. This is why they went out and they brought in Evan Ingram and Dan Arnold. He wanted one of these guys to step up and it just so happened to be Evan Ingram. I think he's going to be a focal point of this offense for the next few years. I'm with you. I'm excited. Jay, as a fan of the team that Evan Ingram has escaped to find this new found success in his new home in Jacksonville, are you excited about Evan Ingram returning to Jacksonville for fantasy? Or is the addition of Calvin Ridley maybe lowers his upside? You took the words right out of my mouth. Well, I do still think he's going to be a top 10 tied in for fantasy purposes. That's not very hard to do. We have to bump the brakes just a little bit to see what happens when Calvin Ridley is put into this offense. Now, I do think this was the right decision from a football and fantasy perspective. It's going to be exciting to see. I've liked Evan Ingram ever since, you know, even though many Giants fans turned on him after that primetime game where he dropped the game winning touchdown in his hands, walking down the field. Oh, forgot about that. Oh, I didn't. I'll never forget that. But, um, see what I'm saying? Yeah. You were turned against him. Oh, absolutely. I still like him. For fantasy purpose. I think he's going to be, uh, a-okay. He's one of the members that play except for New York Giants fans and Eagles fans that don't let us forget it either. Yeah. That's their job, though. Why are two of that one to ensure that you're right? Evan Ingram is one of two players that I'm not allowed to say anything mean about on air and mean includes a negative fantasy take or my mother will call me immediately after the show ends. She loves that man and she loves Kenyan Drake, the local kids. Otherwise, uh, I can be mean to whoever I want. I can call J.L.  Hey. Sorry. I said I could, not that I did. Okay. Okay. About Evan Ingram. You also get an angry call from Coop immediately after the show. You gotta be careful there. That dude will knock on your door. He's not calling anyone. He's showing up at the front door of you. Like Big Bird just kicking through the front door. Exactly. We got Matt in here ready for today's show. What's up, Matt? And, uh, Albert here saying hello, everyone. What's up, Albert? How you doing here? Albert? Scampers with that personal accountability saying I was wrong about Dan Arnold for the record. Put it on the record. The cat doesn't know anything about Dan Arnold. And, uh- Stop blaming the cat. DJ wanted to know, will you sell your framed Lamar Jackson jersey behind you, Dave, if Baltimore gets rid of him? Um, no, I'll probably just throw it in the, uh, bin of other, uh, you know, players who are no longer with the teams of jerseys that I purchased. I've got a lot of them, unfortunately, and I'll replace that with somebody else. I think I might just go for a retired guy though at this point. So I don't have to keep rotating every few years. I'll mail you all of my every Browns jersey I own to throw into that pile. Every single one of them is a player that's not on the team anymore. That's why the new giant jersey I just got was Lawrence Taylor, so I don't have to worry about that. Mm-hmm. Joe Hayden, I was so excited when he got drafted by the Browns and then not only did he get traded, he got traded to the Steelers, to the division rivals. So I'm walking around wearing the division rivals player on the jersey. Brutal. Well guys, we are about to get into our game for today. Before we do that, a couple of reminders, first and foremost, if you're not already following our guest, Dave, fix that right now. You can find them on Twitter at DaveKlugie. It's right there.  So make sure you go over there and give him a follow after you do that. If you're watching this, hit that like button. If you enjoy what we're doing here, it makes you head on over to our channel at Front Yard Fantasy.  And you guys can watch your fantasy football knowledge on us while we're playing in the chat. But that being said, we're about to get into our game of fantasy fortune. John Luke is the puzzle master today. Our less misogynistic Steve Harvey, if you will. I take that as a compliment. It is a compliment. He's a great host. He's just a sexist. He's just awful. On that note. But John Luke, I'm handing it off to you. You got today's game. I'll explain how it works and then you are going to run it for us. Thank God. This game is fantasy fortune, which is a lot like the popular TV show Wheel of Fortune. But instead of spinning a wheel, our contestants are going to be answering 50 50 NFL or fantasy related trivia questions. Get the question right. You've earned the opportunity to guess a continent that you think is in the puzzle that will appear on the board for every continent that's up there. You're going to have $500 to your round bank that you can do this up to three times in a row. Answer a question. Guess a letter. Answer a question. Guess a letter. If at any point either the letter isn't on the board or you get the question wrong, your turn is immediately over. The other way your turn ends is if you get three in a row right, if you keep on doing it, but don't solve the puzzle, we're going to stop you after three, but you're going to bank every last sense of that money that you have earning your round bank so far. Now, during your turn, there's two other actions you can take. You can buy a vowel at a hundred per, so you need a minimum of 500 for the max of $500 that could appear in there, or you can say, I want to solve the puzzle. Solving is going to earn you all the money in your round bank or $1,000, whichever one is higher. That'll move on down to your total bank. We will go like this till we run out of puzzles or run out of time at which point the contestant with the most money is our fantasy fortune champion. You guys ready? Let's do it. Let's do it. All right. This first round is going to work entirely different than Simon just described. This one is going to be a toss-up round, meaning I'm going to slowly reveal letters and you guys have to say your name, contestants. You have to say your own name when you think you have it. You'll get one shot to guess it. Who you think it is. If you get it correct, you'll get $500 in your bank and you'll get to go first the following round. Let's stay here. Let's stay here. But I do say so myself. A reminder to everybody in the chat. Play along with us. Throw your answers in there. If you get it before the contestants will shout you out. If you have a funny answer, we'll laugh. And if it's really dumb, we'll mock you relentlessly. Oh, we'll never forget it. No, no. Just like the Giants fans never forget that have an Ingram catch. We will remember your football. Just like I remember the punter who kicked the miracle, the meadowlands, too, was Matt Dodge from ECU and the butt fumble. We never forgot that. No. Yeah, you know what, Jay? Other embarrassing moments, too. I don't remember the name of the Giants. Thanks, Sean. I don't remember the name of any other kicker that played against Clemson in college, not a single one, except for the pit kicker that beat us at the end of the game the year until like ruin our undefeated season. I'll remember his name forever. Yeah, never forget. All right, guys, let's get into our game here. The first puzzle. Dun, dun, dun, dun, dun, dun. Yeah. Well, it's a OK 500. I'm asking me questions. All right, this one is an NFL player, an NFL player. It's an NFL player's name. I'm going to slowly reveal letters. Say your own name when you think you have it. Dun, dun, dun, dun, dun, dun, dun, dun. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Jay. Jay. Marcus Marriota. Marcus Marriota is correct. Dun, dun, dun, dun, dun, dun. Well done. Wow. 500 in your bank here. What? What? You good there, John Luke? Yep, just trying to add the money here. Here we go. All right, clear that. You gave it to Dave, but just switch the names. Damn it. I thought that was Jay. Not bad. Here we go. We often get confused for each other, you know. Ah, now we got it. Dave, I wanted to ask you.  Is he done in the NFL? Will he be a backup? What's the next step for him? He'll bounce around as a backup for the next few years, but I don't understand how any team can feel comfortable giving him the lead job after what we saw last year. That was, I mean, you can blame some of it on Arthur Smith and some anemic play calling, but Marcus Marriota just flat-out look terrible. So, yeah, I think his days as a starter are done. You agree with him, Simon? Yeah, I'm with him. He's a backup if he wants to be a backup. Know what I mean? That's with a lot of these players. If he doesn't get a backup job, I don't think it's due to a lack of one being available for him. He's better than, I don't know, quite a few backup quarterbacks in this league. I feel like I'd be more comfortable with Marcus Marriota stepping in. We saw him do fine in Las Vegas, or were they still in Oakland whenever he was? Whenever he was at the leaders? I think they were already in Vegas. They were already in Vegas, but whenever he stepped in, he was fine, right? I think stepping in in a limited role, not being the main guy is perfect for a guy like Marcus Marriota. Yeah, I'm with him. All right, guys, let's get into our next puzzle here. We had a couple of guesses in the chat. None of them were correct. Idiots. We've got David Johnson of Scampers. It's not how you spelled David or Johnson. Get out of here, Scampers. Get out of here. So I see DJ over here saying, I finally figured out who Dave looks like. It's WWE superstar Drew McIntyre. McIntyre. McIntyre, but with shorter hair. That's what I used to spell McIntyre? I could see it. With the facial, a little bit. A little bit, I see it now. Going up to the show. Take your shirt off so I can really tell, Dave. Every picture of this man I see is shirtless.  Probably not. All right, guys, let's get into our next puzzle here. Jay, you got that one correct, meaning Dave, you will be going first on this next one. Oh, I'm sorry. I messed that up completely, Jay. You got that one correct, so you're going first on the next one. All right. Jay and I just keep you confused for each other. It's obvious.   You know what? I get that. WWE star. Just with a little shorter hair. Yeah, yeah. I could see it. All right. And it's pronounced McIntyre in case anyone was going to say McIntyre. Yeah, don't make that mistake.  All right, Jay, your first puzzle here. NFL player idiom mashup. NFL player idiom mashup. A good example of this is there are too many Brandon cooks in the kitchen. It's a good one. A Rashad penny saved as a Rashad penny earned. The last one, the last time we played, I got one. It was a rub some Dallas Goddard on it. Oh, that's a good one. That's a good one. Eno Benjamin Button. Eno Benjamin Button is another one. All right, Jay, would you like a question? No, I'd like to solve. Yes, I'd like a question, please. All right, so we're going to start off here in the fantasy points category. Now all my fantasy points questions will be in PPR format. Keep that in mind if I don't say it. You can assume PPR and if you forget, you can always ask me. Jay, tell me, who had more PPR fantasy points this past season? Was it Tua Tungavaloa or was it Dak Prescott? Let me go with Tua Tungavaloa. Tua is correct. What consonant would you like to guess? Let's go with S. S, there are two S's. I'm just going to give you a thousand in your round bank. I like it. 500 per letter, right? I'm trying to figure out what set of two are the name here and it could be any of them. You never know with a puzzle like this. All right, Jay, you have $1,000 in your round bank. You can buy a vowel here. It will cost you $100 each and if you get them wrong, your turn will be over or you can take another question or you can solve. Let's go with another question. Another question, you got it. Jay, which player had more fantasy points this past season? Was it Aaron Rodgers or was it Daniel Jones? You really want to do this to me? I am. In fact, Daniel Jones. Daniel Jones is correct. What consonant would you like? Let's go with M as in Nancy. M as in Nancy, there's one M that's going to give you an additional 500 here. You can purchase the vowel. This is your last opportunity to purchase the vowels this turn, Jay. Just keep in mind. Let's go ahead with another question. Another question, you got it. Which player had more fantasy points this past season? Was it Baker Mayfield or was it Matt Jones? That's terrible. I'm going to go with Old Butter Doodles, Matt Jones. Matt Jones is correct. What letter would you like? Let's go. You're going to bank this money. Let's go with an L. L. There's one L, Jay, giving you an additional 500 and you are going to bank this money. I will give you five seconds to solve this starting now. Nope. No clue. We can go ahead and go to Dave. All right, Bong, Dave, we are on to you. This is the state of the board here. You can take another question. You can take a question or you can solve. I'm going to take a question. Sir, you got it. All right, Dave, which player had more fantasy points this past season? Was it Russell Wilson or was it Kirk Cousins? Oh, I'm going to go with Kirk. Oh, Kirk is correct. Oh, Kirk. Oh, Greek, Yo, Kirk is correct. What letter consonant would you like? Let's go with an R. An R, R. You got it. There is two Rs, my friend. I'm going to give you a thousand in your round bank. And I'll let you buy a Val if you'd like. No, I'll cost you 100 each. I will take a question. Take another question. You got it. Let's move out of QVs. QV is too easy, right, Dave? You don't want it too easy. No, make it as hard as possible. Make it as hard as possible. Don't have to tell me twice. All right. No. Walked right into that one, didn't we? Stepping on a rake. All right, Dave. Tell me, which player had more fantasy points this past season? Which player had more fantasy points this past season? Was it Najee Harris or was it Dave and Montgomery? I'm going to go with Najee. Najee Harris is correct. Dave, what consonant would you like? I'll go with H. H. There's one H. Slowly making gains here. Dave, giving you another 500 in your round bank. That's two, I believe, right? Yeah, R and then H. So this is your last opportunity to buy vows if you would like. No, I will take another question, please. Take another question. You got it. Which player had more fantasy points this past season? Was it Jarrick McKinnon or was it Tyler Algier? Oh, this is a tough one. I'm going to go with Jarrick. No, no, no, no. I'm changing my mind. Tyler Algier. No. Hello. No, I'm going to buy initial gut. Jarrick McKinnon. Jarrick McKinnon is correct. Nice, Dave. You're all sweating in here, just me. What consonant would you like? Get this right. You are going to bank this money, Dave. I'm going to play it safe here and go with C. C? There's one C, Dave, giving you another 500, and you are going to bank this money. I will take it and bank it. And I'm going to give you five seconds to solve before we move on to Simon. Ready, starting now. I got nothing. I think we're all at the same point right now. Bonk, all right. Simon. I'm a little upset because I consider myself a man familiar with many an idiom. And I know the words here, and I can't think of a single idiom with some of those words in it, not all the words, obviously. I'll take a question. Taking a question? Yeah. All right. All right, Simon. Oh, shoot! I figured it out! Too bad you asked for a question. So I will give you a question, Simon. Tell me which player had more rushing yards this past season? Which player had more rushing yards this past season? Was it Tony Pollard or was it Joe Mixon? Sorry for saying popcorn fan rule. Um. At least you doubled down on it. Yeah. Yeah. Joe Mixon. Joe Mixon is incorrect. I'm sorry, Simon. Well, I hope you assholes miss it. I don't know. I don't know if you know it yet, Dave, but I still don't know.  All right, Jay. That is the worst feeling. Oh, I thought you'd get that. I just got to sit here. Jay, what do you want to do? You can take a question or you can solve. Let's buy an A. Buy an A. There are three As. One, two, three help. Big help. Thanks a lot, Jay. Yeah, yeah. Oh my gosh. You could not buy A's. Well, I think we all knew what he was. I forgot.  Like if he gets a letter, then just take away his A money. OK, that's fair. We'll pretend like he bought it on the next turn. You tricked me. All right, Jay, what do you want to do here? I'll take a question. Taking a question. All right, Jay. Tell me who had more fantasy points this past season. Was it Kenneth Walker or was it Raheem Moser? I'm so mad. Well, Kenny Walker. Kenneth Walker is correct with the letter. What'd you like? I am going to go with a J so I can give back some of my money. J, 500. All right. There you go. Two, three. All right, Jay. There you go. Go to another question. Another question. All right, which player had more fantasy points this past season? Was it Deandre Swift or was it Deandre Swift or was it David Montgomery? It was at points. Is that what you said? Fantasy points, yep. PPO. Go with an honor of Dave. I'll go with David Montgomery. I'm sorry. That is incorrect. It was. Thanks, Dave. Yeah, Andres Swift. Dave, we're back to you. One down, one to go. All right, I will. I think I know it, but I'm going to take a question. I want money. All right, taking a question. Dave, tell me which player had more fantasy points this past season? Was it Aaron Jones or was it Leonard Fournette? Aaron Jones. Aaron Jones is correct. What letter would you like? I'm going to go with a G. G? You stinky man. One G. Stinky, stinky man. Dave, what would you like to do? You could buy a Val. You could take another question or you could solve.  So I think I'm just going to solve this one. All right, say exactly how it's written. Wild Goose Jamar Chase. Wild Goose Jamar Chase. Well done. Great job, Dave. You're going to get the $1,000. Really, really good. It's impressive. Did you see the screen grab I got you on Twitter? No. Uh oh. You're quick. We're in fan in here. Wild Mouse Jamar Chase. Yes. The old idiom, Wild Mouse. Wild Mouse Chase. This is Gamper Said. Wild Goose Jamar Chase at $5.19, five minutes ago. Nice job, Scampers. Gamper's. Wild. Meow. Meow. And Scott Fishin. Wow, three awesome people on today. Leaving us to wonder who is the fourth. It's me. Surprise. Oh, I was pointing down it could have been either Jay or J.L. It wasn't meant to point just at Jay. Dave, we talked about the Sidnazim. It feels like this is going to be a conversational law season. Can you just set up a debate for us? Is it Justin Jefferson or Jamar Chase? Jamar Chase. So easily. Yeah, this guy is just on a different planet. I had to pull it up, but I did a thread that was kind of funny a few weeks back where I said, like he is so far ahead of what anybody has done through their first three years in the NFL.  I forget the exact numbers, but I want to say it's 4800 yards, something like that that he's put up. And then there's like a 600 yard gap before you get to anybody else and then cluster there. It's Jerry Rice, Randy Moss, Odell Beckham. I mean, Justin Jefferson is just off to a historic start to his career. Yeah, he's been insanely good. That whole tandem, him and D. Higgins is just unreal. I was just going to wreak havoc in the AMC North for a minute. I think we're talking about two different players. I think J. L. is talking about Jamar Chase and I think Dave's talking about Justin Jefferson. Dave said Jamar Chase. Did I say Jamar Chase? But I think it meant Justin Jefferson. I meant Justin Jefferson. See, I see. OK. You know, that's my bad. I would say Jamar Chase right in front of me. The words, it's really tough. But yeah, Justin Jefferson. Sorry for anything. No, you said three years and I was like, hold on, does he mean Justin Jefferson? I was tempted to just let it go. And like, we both agree. We're in agreement here. We are in agreement. All right, guys, let's get into our next puzzle. Let's do it. Do this one is NFL teammates. NFL teammates is our two teammates. First name, last name, first name, last name. Let's see, Dave got that one correct. So Simon, you are going first on this one. I need a question. Yeah, all right. Let's get into it. Simon, which player had more fantasy points this past season? Which player had more fantasy points this past season? Was it Deontay Johnson or was it Hooper Cup? That's a good question.  It's a good question. That's what that is. That's what the Altsberger do here. Let's go Deontay Johnson. Deontay Johnson is unfortunately incorrect. Yeah. Sorry about that one, Simon. That's OK. 25, 26 per game or something like that. It was absurd what he averaged.  Maybe he outscored him, but nothing. Still outscored him by like 20 some points. Kind of pick up through like negative three touchdowns. So it's going to be hard for Deontay Johnson to do that. Maybe I should have considered that when I answered. Maybe. Maybe. All right, Jay, we're back to you. You ready? It's good. All right, Jay, tell me, which player had more fantasy points this past season? Was it Zay Jones or was it Alan Lazar? Duh. Is that a shot at Dave? Is that what that is? I'm going to go with Zay Jones on this one. Zay Jones is correct. What letter would you like? So go with R. R. There are three R's. What would you like to do here, Jay? Let's go with another question. Another question. All right, which player had more fantasy points this past season? Was it Christian Watson or was it Curtis Samuel? I'm sorry. I figured the puzzle out in my head and I was not listening to what you said. Great. Which player had more fantasy points this past season? Was it Christian Watson or was it Curtis Samuel? That is a tough one, because Samuel started out really hot. But I'm going to go with Christian Watson with that crazy stretch he had towards the end. Christian Watson is incorrect. Damn it. Curtis Samuel is a correct answer. Dave, we're back to you. Can I just go crazy and solve it? I think I got this one. Yeah. Najee Harris and George Pickens? Najee Harris and George Pickens is correct. R. R's were a giveaway. That was the, did you have that one too, Jay? Yeah, yeah, yeah. The R's, like he said, once you get the R's, I got Harris. And I'm like. Yeah, me too. Once those R's were up there, I had it in my head. High time. It was done. I wasn't thinking Ferris wheel. Dave and I have over and over and over again. Even though there's an R in the second word, but the word that couldn't escape my head was not Ferris wheel, if that's what you think. Definitely not Ferris wheel. Najee Ferris wheel. Yeah, I wasn't just sitting here thinking Ferris wheel. And Dane came in here with the note, letter, solve Najee Harris and George Pickens. Holy cow. That was my excited laugh. It's like somewhere between Mario and Chris Pratt. Like if Chris Pratt tried to do the Mario voice for real, is what you just go, whoa. Oh, whoa. Oh no, it's me, Luigi. Oh, oh no. When scamper said, geez, Louise and holy smokes, no letter Dane. That's true. That's true. Dave, you got a real sexy shot of me that you put on Twitter. I'm looking at it now. It's nice. That's profile picture material as far as I'm concerned. I'm telling you, I'm LinkedIn. LinkedIn. Let's go. The look of just defeat in my eyes. That's where the money's made. It's so fantastic. It's beautiful. I got to see it. It's a little great dulcet. It's a little weird owl thrown in there. I see Grim and you're saying, Dave, what do you do for a living? Were you a straight A student? I didn't have no letter. Dude, that could be your job. That'd be terrible. Solving puzzles? Yeah. No, no, no, no. Being a straight A student. Oh, yeah, that would be an awful job. Actually, you know what? As an adult, I think that'd be a good job. As a child, that would be a terrible job. But like hooking back, I would love to go to school for a living right now. I did not like that when I was 19. I think you like the idea of it better than actually doing it.  Yeah. Once you go back. Once you go back, you always remember how terrible is the screenshot so good. Have you guys seen the clip going around from Real of Fortune? It was, I want to say, it was just two weeks ago or so, where the lady was one letter away and could not figure it out. No. I'll just send it to you guys after the show. It was one letter off. She was missing the S in fresh tropical fruit, and she guessed G. Fresh tropical. It's a silent G, fresh tropical fruit. I see. All right. Well, actually, before we get on to the next one, Najee Harris and George Pickens, both are players who I think are interesting dynasty topics in terms of their value. Najee Harris coming off of a down season. George Pickens coming off for a sort of decent season, where his quarterback didn't really do much, but man, did he have some flashy plays. Dave, how are you feeling about Najee Harris and George Pickens? And this is really the Steelers offense going into this off season. Yeah, I mean, there's so much that you can discuss when talking about dynasty, but I think that right now, the consensus is just a little bit too low on Najee Harris. People forget that he was injured for the majority of the season. So yeah, his efficiency was terrible, and I was screaming from the rooftop, sell, sell, sell, trying to do whatever I couldn't get rid of Najee if I had him on any of my teams. But then all of a sudden, he started to heal up as the season progressed. And over the last four or five games, he looked like the same Najee Harris from his rookie season. He's not getting that absurd workload through the air that he got with Ben Rothesberger anymore, but I still look at him as kind of a back end RB1 in dynasty. So I think if you can get him for anything cheaper than that, you should. George Pickens, on the other hand, scares me a little bit. He got a lot of highlights and some big flashy plays, but the underlying metrics just weren't really there. I mean, he wasn't commanding a ton of targets. His catch rate wasn't great, but I think people are so enamored with those spectacular catches that he made that you can probably flip him for much more than he's actually worth right now. I'm kind of looking at George Pickens as a wide receiver two, wide receiver three cusp. And I think a lot of people are looking at him as much more valuable than that. Yeah, I'm right there with you on the Najee Harris. At that point, it felt like all this season, I was tooting the horn for Najee Harris. So I'm right there with you. Simon, how are you feeling about Najee? Yeah, I think he's undervalued right now. It wasn't too long ago that he was a consensus top five, borderline top three dynasty running back. He's 24 years old. I feel like in my mind until I looked that up a couple of weeks ago, he was 26, he was 27. Like he was a little bit older in my mind. I don't know why. He screams older to me. He's a young, great running back recovering from injury. Dave hit on all the points. And he's one of my targets this off season, trade targets if there's any team that's down on him. Dave, I was just told to tell you to run to your front door 100% serious. So, a good friend of ours just texted me and said to tell you to run to your front door and they're 100% serious. Run to my front door? I can look out my front window right now and I'm not seeing anything. That's just what I've been told. I'm no part of this. I'm just the messenger. You can't just take a messenger line with something like that on a stream. So, yeah, I'm with you guys. And I think the two points you guys made together is what's pushing down Najee's value. The way he started off the season, the way people play dynasty as soon as somebody gets over the age of 24, it feels like they're already starting to discount their value. So him being an older prospect, I think Najee's somebody I'm probably looking for a choir and dynasty because everybody's so down on. What if when Dave came back, we were all naked? Like, what if that was the plan?  Do you think he can hear us? It sounds like he's coming back. Do you think he would know the plan if we all got naked? Everyone, pretend to be naked.  Hold on, gotta do like just from the neck up from the camber shot, just. Also scammers and you're saying, wow, first in my FYF viewing history. Oh, we had an outfit change. An outfit change. So this requires a little bit of a backstory, right? Okay. I don't know if you guys see this shirt. Jehan Dotson? Oh, that's a sick shirt. So just a few days ago, I was on with Joey Wright and we were doing a dynasty mock. Sorry, my dogs are going ballistic right now because I just left my office. Joey Wright never heard of him. Yeah, Joey Wright. And we were doing a dynasty mock and I was giving him a hard time for taking Damien Pierce. And he flipped it on me, making fun of me because I took Jehan Dotson. He was wearing a Damien Pierce shirt and he goes, how can you even tout Jehan Dotson? You don't even have a Jehan Dotson shirt. So I know exactly where the shirt came from. This is Joey, right? He basically asked me for my address saying it was for holiday Christmas cards, but now I really like it. He really needed that address for me. God, Joey, just such a great guy. Thank you so much. And how did you time that up to show up exactly in the middle of this show? I don't even know what happened. They're watching this tracker. That is impressive. That is impressive. He's running on the street right now. Three minutes into the show, I saw the mailman walking up and I muted my mic so that you guys wouldn't hear my dogs and I didn't think anything of it, but... I don't think he knew you were on the show until yesterday, actually. I mean, that's incredible. I got an FYF shirt delivered to me in the middle of an FYF show. That's just how we roll. This is, you know...  It's just Joey. I don't know, Brad. Just like waving. Joey's not been sick. He's just been hand delivering this shirt from Florida to Colorado. You know, when you asked me to take my shirt off earlier, Simon, I wish I would have. And I could just sat here shirtless for the first 30 minutes and then gone and got in the new shirt, but that's incredible. Thank you so much, Joey. That was part of the plan. Now you'll know, Dave, next time I ask you to take your shirt off, you won't make that mistake again. Was that a part of the plan? Is that why you wanted me to take my shirt off earlier? No, I just wanted to see your nipples. Well, this is a great shirt. One more time in case you missed it. There you go. It is a great shirt. You're excited about that one. Thank you, Joey. Love that gradient. Joey has become one of my best friends in this industry. What a great guy. He is a good dude. He's sorry. All right, let's get into two Joey's favorite game. Back into Joey's favorite game here, fantasy fortune and get into our next puzzle. How am I doing so far? I forgot. You're doing splendidly, my friend. And don't you worry, you can come back right now. Cool. I got a single question right, even. Well, that's all about the change because you are going first in this next one because Dave got that last one correct. This one is a place. Let me get out of the chat. Place. All right, Simon. Would you like a question? All right, which player had more receiving yards this past season? Which player had more receiving yards this past season? Was it DJ Moore or was it George Pickett's? Who's DJ Moore? DJ Moore is correct. What letter would you like? Or like an L as in Lancy. Lancy, one L. I figured that was going to give you 500. Are former places in play here or just current places? Any place. This could be any place. I'd like to solve. OK. Say it how it's written. Need to come back. Heinz Field? Heinz Field is incorrect. Damn it. All right. Good guess, though. Kind of. Jay, what was that to do here? Take a question. Yeah, let's take a question. Oh, and I need to take away your money. Acres sure ruined my life yet again. Did I give? Did I award the points to the last one? Yeah, you gave Dave 1,000. I did. He was at 2,000, right? Now he's at 3,000. OK. Is this puzzle three? Yes, four. Oh, then Dave won twice. Give him another 1,000. Another 1,000 for Dave. Oh, Dave, cruising. All right, Simon. I mean, Jay, you said another question? Yes, another question. All right, Jay, which player had more receiving yards this past season? Was it Cortland Sutton or was it Jerry Judy? Oh, go with Jerry Judy. Jerry Judy is correct. What letter would you like? Let's go with an S. Yes. Sancy. As in Sancy, S-bonk, no S for you. Dave, Dave, we're back. Who would do? I will take a question. Taking a question. I respect your courageousness and your bravery and your handsomeness. All right, Dave, who had more receiving yards last season? Was it Tyler Lockett or was it Gabe Davis? Tyler Lockett. Tyler Lockett is correct. What letter would you like? I will go with an F as in Fancy. Fancy, to double S. Yeah, you are. Double S, fantasy football. I wonder if that's going to give you 1,000 in your round bank, Dave. You can buy it out here. You can take another question or you can solve. I will take another question. Yes, sir. All right, Dave, that is your real name. Which player had a higher fantasy points per game this past season? Which player had a higher fantasy points per game? Was it Jamar Chase or was it DK Mechap? Oh, that's a tough one. I'm going to go with Jamar Chase. Jamar Chase is correct. What letter would you like? No. I would take A as in Dave Kluge. What was it? I was a cystic much. G? D as in D. OK, I was like, I heard Simon say G. I was like, that doesn't stand for Kluge or Dave. Glaive Kluge. Dave Kluge. There are two Ds. Oh, that throws everything out. Oh, I was looking for the G. Suicide. I would like you solve. All right, say exactly how it's written. FedExfield. FedExfield is correct. Home of the Washington Commanders. Dave, that's going to give you 2,000 additional here. And you are keeping Simon down there, that goose egg, zero. I got time. I got 19 minutes. You got plenty of time. We're going to get so many letters. I'm pretty sure the next puzzle is going to have one letter to score 6,000 because you didn't balance it properly. Probably. That's probably true. We'll see. Scampers at JL. Scampers. And Albert said FedExfield, I think it was the first one to guess it. Nice job, Albert. Nice job, Albert. And then let's see if we got a Heinz field guess. Very nice. Graham, we're on the same page. John Don. John Don. John Don. Let's see, do we have any other in here? I don't think so. We've got Maria in the chat. What up, Maria? Ah, it's been a minute. Hope everyone is well. What's up, Maria? Maria refilled my water. That was nice of her. That was nice of her. All right, well done, guys. Let's get into our next puzzle here. Whoa, look at that, Simon. There's so many letters for me. So many letters. I haven't read this much since high school. What are you doing is the category. What are you doing? Simon, you were going first on this one because Dave correctly guessed the glass puzzle. My favorite thing about playing this game with Simon is his face.  The pen or the eyes and their count. Yeah. That's fine. I'll take your question. Taking a question. All right, you got it. All right, Simon, which player had more fantasy points this past season? Was it? Was it Marvin Jones or was it Marquis Brown? Marquis Brown, Marquis Brown's correct with letter. Would you like and as in Nancy? And as in Nancy doesn't make any sense. There are five Nancy's Who five ends that's gonna give you a lot of money 2,500 to be exact in your round Bank Simon you could buy about Val here, or you can take another question or you can solve I feel like I know a lot of it But I need another question. I'll take another question. All right. Let's move to the targets category Simon Let's move to the targets category Which player had more total targets this past season which player had more total targets this past season Was it Mike Evans or was it Evan Ingram? That's a good question That's a big target games But he has slow star Evans took him a while to hit the thousand yard mark, but he ended up getting there This is really tough targets wise. I'm gonna go with the wider see where I'm gonna take Mike Evans Mike Evans is correct Simon. What letter would you like? Give me a tea tea? There are three teas it's gonna give you 1,500 additional lighten it up this round I will I'll take another question taking another question. You got it Simon which player had more total targets this past season was it Austin Eckler or was it Alan Lazard Alan Lazard Alan's art is incorrect Simon. Really? Yeah, damn by about 27 Yeah, sorry about that. So Simon you will not bank this money Jay. We're moving on to you. Thanks for thanks for letting me know though Sure turn in the favor Jay Since Simon didn't bank any of that money, I'll take a question All right, Jay, which player had more targets this past season was it Mark Andrews or was it a Mari Cooper? Let's go with Mark Andrews. Mark Andrews is Incorrect it was a Mari Cooper. I'm sorry. Oh Sorry today, we're back to you. All right, I'll take a question taking a question You got it. All right, Dave. Tell me which player had a higher target share on their respective team Which player had a higher target share on their respective team was it TJ Hawkinson or was it Devonte Smith? I'm gonna go with Devonta Vonte Smith is correct. What letter would you like? Let's go with C C in Charlie as in Charlie. There are four C's Dave Giving you two thousand in your round bank to play with here. You can buy Val. You can take another question He can solve. I will take another question Taking another question. You got it. All right, which player had had more total targets this past season, Dave Which player had more total targets this past season was it Zay Jones or was it Pat Fryermuth? Oh Man, this is tough. I Feel like I'm wrong here, but I think it's Pat Fryermuth Pat Fryermuth is Incorrect Was not it was Jones. I'm sorry about that. All right, Simon back to you Do here I would like to buy a vowel, okay You are able to you have four thousand in your round bank. Oh As an oh no, if I don't solve this puzzle, I'm gonna lose this game. Oh, there are three O's Okay, that is not where I thought there was gonna be some O's in the last word, but I'm glad it wasn't um, don't blow it cuz I know it Wow, that's cute. Yeah, I'll take a question Taking a question. You got it. All right, Simon, which player had more total targets this past season Was it Christian Kirk or Chris Olave? Kirk Kirk is Incorrect, correct I know Olave had some of those big like double-digit target games at the beginning of the season, but they kind of fell off I'll take an L. Oh There's one letter I had a whole other letter in mind and then took around one I'll take I'll take my second question Taking your second question. All right Simon which player had a higher target share on their respective team. Was it T. Higgins or was it Mark Andrews? I Forgot to listen cuz I solved it. I pulled a J, but I would like the question again Okay, which player had a higher target share on their season was it T. Higgins or was it Mark Andrews? Has to be Mark Andrews. It is Mark Andrews. What letter would you like? Um, I Would take an H. H There are five H's one two three four five And I would like to solve say exactly how it's written If I fumble this now, I'm going to be so mad Watching the NFL combined on my phone at church Simon well Praying my was going to be something different Well done is the combine even on Sunday It is. Yeah. Yeah, it is Saturdays to yeah Friday Saturday Sunday, you got it. I'm not watching the combine on my phone. It's hardly interesting Wait, it's on my 75 inch TV You just be at church like not during a church service. You can Are you I could maybe I could be if I wanted to be Dame got close Oh, there's a bar in Atlanta called church. Maybe you're at church And then scampers and Albert in here with at church. Well done. Well done Simon that has put you in the lead now I think like this is a long setup when it feels like a good thing to come back. Don't call it a come back I think we got time for one more puzzle. Let's get one more in there. All right, let's do it rhyme time rhyme time this is a fun one this one so a good example of this might be drinking a soda with Marcus Mariota So that's he's got a lot of time for that now. Yes, he does. All right, Jay, you're up Let's go with a question question All right, Jay. Tell me which NFL team scored more fantasy points Scored which NFL team scored more real NFL points not fantasy points real NFL points past season Not a fair question if you're asking me fantasy boy Was it the Lions or was it the Chargers go with the Lions Lions are correct with consonant Would you like to guess here? Let's go? with M as in man see man see all right one M It's gonna give you 500 in your round bank, sir.  I know my rules Let's go to another question. All right, which NFL team had more total yards this past season Which NFL team had more total yards this and this past season was it? The commanders or was it the Browns? Let's go with the Browns. Browns are correct. What letter would you like? Let's go with an S Yes Obsessed much just picking letters in my name All right, that's me give you 1500 What would you like to do here Jay? Um, hold on. I think hello Sorry, um, I'm gonna start saying a question. Um, I would like to purchase and Okay, and I die. All right just in time. That's in the nick of time That's gonna cost you. Yeah, I have 100 eyes go buy an O now One two three four five Okay, let's take a question. Yeah, that's what I thought All right, Jay, which NFL team had more passing attempts this past season. Was it the bangles or was it the bills? You say passing attempts because I was trying to solve it. Yes, I mean again the singles He bangles Stop saying bingles The bangles is correct What's what's wrong with bingles the bingles sponsored by Microsoft? Let's go with an L That's a lot of money up there That's another of two thousand All right, Jay, that was three, right? So is that three? No, that's You bought a vowel. Yeah, it was three. Yeah. Yeah, just wait. Did you get em?  All right, Jay, you will bank this money And I'll give you five seconds to solve starting now You can go ahead All right Dave we're back to you. All right, I'll take a question All right, taking a question. All right, Dave, tell me which NFL team had more passing yards this past season Was it the chiefs of the Eagles? Passing yards. Mm-hmm with the Eagles Sorry, Dave, it was the chiefs.  Yeah, that's this game. It's a way of getting in your head All right, Simon. We're back to you. You focus so hard on trying to solve the the puzzle that you're not really listening to the questions Yeah, yeah, or I will answer the questions in earnest until I get one wrong That was a trick and then every question from that point on out is a trick in my mind like like it's it's a It's like the prisoner's dilemma solution where they cooperate until the other one doesn't cooperate and then they refuse to cooperate anymore Over and over and over again. That's me in this game. Um, I'll take a question Taking a question. All right, Simon, which which NFL team had more passing yards this past season. Was it the Denver Broncos or was it? 49ers Passing yards. Yeah 49ers that's correct Broncos have like seven yards passing offense. I think Take the H H the H Two H's glad I did not Try to solve um, I Would like another question like another question. All right, Simon Tell me which NFL team had more passing yards this past season. Was it? The Vikings or was it the Seahawks? Who it was the Vikings that is correct a letter would you like or like an N Two ends gonna give you another thousand Simon and that this is going into your third one So this is your last opportunity to buy vows if you would like Yeah, give me No, never mind. Give me a question. All right, your third question Simon which NFL team had more passing attempts this past season Which NFL team had more passing attempts this past season. Was it the Dolphins or was it the Chargers? It was the Chargers. They threw a million little passes. The Chargers is correct Simon. What letter would you like? T just give me a T. T.  I'm gonna give you five seconds to solve starting now All right, Jay. We're back to you. I got it Go with a question because I do not know what that first word is. All right, Jay Which which NFL team had more penalties this past season what which NFL team had more penalties this past season Was it the Panthers or was it the Texans? Go with the Texans the Texans are incorrect. Oh Sorry Dave. We're back to you a little bit of game theory here I had what I get one thousand if I answer right and this is the last round, right? Yes. All right So I got to take a question. I'm not playing for second place. It's right Can you get first place? What's six times five hundred because I don't know 3000 I don't think I can I don't think I can comment on this. I don't think it's possible any information away So it's impossible. So I'll just I'll bet or I'll guess it here betting on the bills with Davis Mills betting on the bills Davis Mills as correct Dave And you will find here your your second-place spot. I guess you at least I be Jay at least you be Jay, you know That's fine. And really I be Jay to because we're the same person. So I I Had a hill stuck in my head. I'm like rolling down the hills like what we're only down the hills with Davis No And then after running up the hills, I had effing up the bills with Davis Mills like maybe he's just got a vendetta He's going there, but then I figured you wouldn't put that on here probably not well done Simon You were gonna win this game of fantasy 7 hundred Well again guys great game all done That is going to be it for us today guys I want to give a huge thanks to our friend Dave for coming on Dave. We really appreciate it my friend It is getting to hang out with you Of course, I mean anytime you guys will have me. I'll be back And we rigged this game in my favor to try to incentivize you to come back sooner so that you'll want that W Well, you say you set the bar high every time I come on an FYF show now.


I've only ever seen one other example of this. It's a fascinating and very rare type of artifact. It's rare now, once upon a time, they were very common. These were your calendar, your diary, the medieval equivalent of everybody's mobile phone to give you practical information. But precisely because they were used on a day-to-day basis, one that survives in pretty good condition is all the more valuable. The owner of this book wanted something that was functional, that was practical, but didn't want something luxurious. It was probably for a layperson, perhaps a gentleman farmer, who needed practical information about the time and the seasons. So we see for each month there is a labour of the month and a zodiac symbol. The other side of it gives us complicated information about how to calculate Easter. That's fairly unlikely that the type of user we've hypothesised would ever have used that. It's the same again as a modern mobile phone, which has many apps that you probably don't use, but they're standard, so they're there too. Right, Max Page please. What we're looking at here are the pigments in the manuscript, and we want to identify these without damaging the manuscript and without contacting the manuscript. In Raman's spectroscopy we're looking at the vibrational fingerprint of the molecules on the page. To measure that we shine a laser, a very low power laser I should add, onto the page. Most of the light gets scattered with the same wavelength as goes in. A tiny amount comes off with a slightly different wavelength, a different colour. We measure the difference between what goes in and what comes out, and that gives us that fingerprint for the materials on the page. Okay, so let's have a look at this page here. This is particularly interesting because this page represents pretty much all the pigments we've found in the book. What we find the red here, as we expected, is mercury sulfide, which is this pigment called vermilion. It may well be synthetic in this period. The dark blue of the tunic, or greeny blue, is indigo extracted from the woad plant or potentially imported in this period. What's really exciting about this is the club. You can see here one of the Gemini twins is holding up a club in his hand. Looks quite an unexciting yellow colour. Well, it's a very dull colour, but we've found in there, opiment, arsenic-3 sulfide, which is quite an unusual find in books of this period. It's not common to find opiment in this book. Of course, it's a highly toxic material as well, so it really is quite a dangerous club he's holding there. Wah, opiment! Yeah, the club is opiment. That's a pretty good spectrum, even though I say so myself. The content of the calendar lets us work out that it's either at the end of the 14th century or at the beginning of the 15th century. Now, the yellow or the brown yellow in here we know is opiment, a poisonous pigment. It's fairly rare in the later Middle Ages, and around 1400, a beautiful new yellow is widely available in England, lead-tin yellow. And it pushes all other yellows out. Here, opiment is still being used, not lead-tin yellow. And that, therefore, suggests it's more likely to be the end of the 14th century than the beginning of the 15th century. We can see looking at this almanac that you're going to take away and conserve in your studio. It's got some damage, it's been well used. What can you say about its past life based on looking at its condition? We can see those modern statues here, but we can see these are replacements of old original lupers, which we can see along here. So it's been torn and repaired at different times throughout its history, and we can see the different threads. Yes, and it just tells us that the object was really loved and cared for. Now, looking at these threads, this is the replacement of original repairs, which is carried out much longer ago. And we think this is quite a modern repair, and we think this can be improved by replacing with Japanese paper repair. The fact it was handled quite heavily is what makes this object quite rare. At the moment, it is too difficult to handle by anyone, and there is some damages which can get worse by wrong handling. So we're trying to keep all the evidence of the history there, but trying to make it accessible by public. We're not trying to clean, or we're not trying to transform the appearance of the object. So what is remarkable about this is that it's very clearly been used and over a considerable period of time, but it still survives. We know from documentary records that these were widespread timekeeping devices, but because they were used on a day-to-day basis, they fell apart, they were discarded, and only a small number of them survived, about 30 worldwide. To have in near perfect condition such a well-loved, well-used, rare class of book, now rare class of book, is a miracle in itself.