Hey guys, we ought to pretend to like each other now. Three, two, one. Hi, guys. So we've got a few seconds to put up with this. Oh, hey, everyone. So welcome to happy, happy fun time. We all love each other here. That's Christ. Please, never. Never do it again.  But yes. Are we pretending like we like each other right now? I'm sorry. You can't say it while they're watching. Oh, sorry, sorry. Oh, yeah, I was going to say as well, we've got, there's a couple of memes prepared. The 3D meme is done, guys, by the way, the one I was telling you about. The 3D meme. Oh, the 3D Efeb meme is completed. And the guy who made it has even given me links to check out the models that he made in the thing.  But again, I was thinking we're going to have plenty to talk about. And these guys are like veterans of talking about things. So we don't actually, I figure it's going to be too difficult to explain all the history of the memes. And we'll probably save memes for when we've got a guest who's like anyone from the Great British podcast who's like, you know, more insane than we are or like Jay, totally understand.  Yeah. I think I was like wheezing about to die and she was like, take a breath. You OK? Like no.   Yeah, settle this. Is that an elephant or is it a turtle? I think it's an elephant and I think Rags is dumb. Oof, big proof. I can talk. I can talk.  He's not going to understand what you mean by that, Rags. I know what you mean.  Flew right over Wolf's head. I don't know. Maybe if Wolf wasn't so dumb, we'd get it. What am I not getting? OK, so do you know when someone like this is just for Wolf? You know when someone says you're like blind, deaf and dumb? Have you ever heard that phrase? Yeah. Like blind means you can't see, obviously. That means I know what blind. I know what all three of them mean. Yeah, do you know what you want? Then I don't know why you can now we're confused.  I know the definition.  Tune in next week because now because I mean, you can use it in two different ways, can't you? OK, wait, wait, go through the two different ways. Go for it. Dumb, meaning like unintelligent and dumb, meaning like kind of slow. No, no, he's lying. I would like to refer everybody back to what Wolf said. I know what they mean. We got memes in them. What, is that not what they mean? Well, it's not Google dumb. In fairness, I don't blame you for not knowing this. You probably often do dumb. Temporary, no, temporarily unable or willing to speak. Really? That's what it means. Best intro ever.  We run a high quality production here.  I have literally never heard dumb used in that context. Yeah, it's because maybe you're deaf. The thing is what I was trying to say. So it's like, yeah, blind, deaf and dumb. Can't see, can't hear, can't speak. Does deaf not mean that you can't hear? That is what it means. What?    I'm not saying you have to be a doctor or anything. Yeah, but you literally and it's just blown your entire world.  Do you know what that means? Got it. Do you know, I'm pretty sure it can be used in like a hundred different ways. So I'm pretty sure you're better. I feel better to get a definition. I feel I feel better about Wolf calling me out now. Yes. Um, this is one of the chance that Galaxy Brainwold, Galaxy Brainwold. Yeah, I learned that from Troy.  I was like, what does it mean? He was like, oh, it's like when you can't talk or whatever. It's like a medical term. I was like, oh, wow. The movie Troy or? Yeah. I think about my friend from down the street. Well, I didn't know if he meant something else that I wasn't aware of. You don't know what words mean. We've established this.  You didn't know what tactile meant. Yes, I did. That's why I was confused by it. That's why it was to me. None of us knew what he meant by that. It's like, I understand this word, but the way he's using it doesn't make sense. And it doesn't make sense, which is why it was confusing. Oh, wow. Troy came out 15 years ago, guys. You know what else came out 15 years ago? I haven't seen that. That is I'm curious. What is your what is your opinions on Troy? Because I love Troy. I like it, dude. Troy has probably one of the best like dual scenes. Yes, that. The killings versus actors.  Hey, well, did you know that? Hey, well, did you know that dual has multiple meanings? If the. I mean, like one on one fight, but it can also mean like two things. Like, no, that's a different word, dual and dual. No, they're homophobes. And they're homophobes. How could you say that, right? They're homophobes. Yeah, they're homophobes. They're homophobic. Wait, what? The words are homophobic. If you have dual, if you have dual gay men who are having sex, then that's a homophobe.  Isn't that the difference? Two of them. Dual and dual. Isn't that the difference? You have dual gay men. Oh, you're saying because I spoke it, that I could have been either of those. The bed is dual wielding to gay men who are having sex.  And in fairness, well, if we can't say anything, he's been English teaching us a lot. Really wielding it, though. Yeah, it's carrying them. But what if the bed breaks? Well, what if your hand breaks and you're carrying something?  What happens then? But if your hand breaks while you're trying to lift something, the thing you're trying to lift is probably going to fall. Probably. What happens to the gay men on the broken bed? They fall.  So I'll tell you all about it. What happens is you fall in the middle because the bed breaks in the middle.  What if you're not in the middle, though? Oh, I'm always in the middle when I can be. What when you call me? Yeah. So if the bed breaks and you're on the side, you fall. That depends. Sometimes the bed breaks this way and everyone tilts forward and sometimes the bed breaks on the side and you roll off the side.  That's not necessarily true. You don't know where the weak spots of the bed are. In that case, just lying on it would have the same amount of... Oh, no, never mind. No, that's not true at all. Urgent. Urgent. I know you've never... I understand maybe you've never broken any beds in your lifetime with your gay romances, but I can guarantee you that when you're just laying there, not much is happening. In that case, I'm not even interested. By the way, just if you ever were curious about how it just resorted to our podcast is... Yeah, there you go. That was a crash. I am literally shaking right now. It triggered our guests already. You can't put EFAP in a box. It's not boxable. You can't put a gay man in a box either. We cannot be contained. But yeah, what I should just... May as well now is... Hello, chat. With EFAP29 and our guests on this wonderful episode is, I guess, Geeks and Gamers Slash. What would you guess you'd see? First and last appearance on EFAP29. Jeremy, from Geeks and Gamers, how do you do, sir? I'm doing really good. I feel right at home with this discussion.   Oh, we legit, like, we know we're pushing the limits. Like, we're going to get booted off YouTube eventually. No, but it's because that would be homophobic of you. That's true, that's true. True. Yeah, YouTube, you can't ban us.  So this this episode will either help or hurt. Either way, if I can get banned from Twitter, it will be a great day for me because I hate Twitter.  Finally be productive. There's a guy I know who literally considers his blue check box. He got it really early on. He considers it now like a blight on his profile. He's like, I don't want it. Any more?  No, I don't. I don't want one either. I don't. I mean, at this point, having having a checkmark on Twitter, it's just like it. I would feel obligated to have to go to Trump's Twitter just to respond to him just because I have a checkmark. Because that's all it is is checkmarks trying to get more followers by responding to Trump. I just can't. I don't want one. If they try to offer me one, I'm going to be like the Barstool Sports founder, Dave Portnoy. He's got about almost a million followers. And every Barstool account has a checkmark, except for his personal one.  He didn't want it. So that's how I'm going to, if they ever offer me one, I don't want it. And on our second guest as a combo, is Jeff from Will Class Bullshiters. How are you doing, sir? I'm doing well. Thanks for having me. It's been a while since we've talked, Molly. It has. What was the plan? We were going to talk about something else, right? Did we talk about solo? Did that happen? I feel like we did. I messaged you on New Year's Eve. I was messaging all the people that we worked with over on the channel right around New Year's Eve at midnight. And you and I agreed that we'd get together in April. So maybe we'll still get together after the Avengers and talk about that. I'll definitely want to talk about that. Because solo, I mean, most people don't even remember it exists anymore. So it's fine. Every once in a while, I get reminded. Remember, I, mm. There we go. That's a coherent thought right there. But yeah, episode nine.  Like episode nine might come and go. And we're still only talking about the last Jedi just because of how it broke everything. And rightly so.  Absolutely. But yeah, it's good to have you guys here. It's like a combo of sort of different podcasts, right? You guys run the High Council together sort of, right? I'm vaguely aware of all these things. 420 blaze it, my dudes. Not like that, right? Jesus. I don't even know if it's legal for them. You can get them in trouble. Our initials are THC, so it works out quite nice. You got your license for your smoking license. Changes that to literally anything and then it applies in Britain. Bad, huh? Fun place to live right now. We've just made a joke of. We just had that discussion last night. We did a hot fuzz commentary for the Patreon. And I said, I used to want to go there for the longest time, but all this new political stuff in the UK. I'll just stay away for a while until it blows over. Yeah, I want to get whatever the hell's going on with Brexit, but it's neither here nor there. It's there for us. Yeah, I know. I don't know. I used it as a phrase rags. I wasn't here for you, but it's there for us. So it's actually wrong. It's not just neither here or there. It's both here and there. Maybe that's what I said. And you misheard me. How about that? I don't think I did there for everyone. That's in the correct country. I think we can rewind the tape. Everyone knows dog hearing is is is faulty at best. Is super acute, much like my face. It's a cute face.  I'm sorry if that's the angle I'm taken, but we're going there. I'm sorry. The words. There are things that all adds up. There is something to address. I don't know. Wolf, calm, calm yourself down. This isn't even about Jay, by the way. This is just something that be nice. Be nice. All right. So in the last podcast, this is this is something we can discuss. All right, calm down. Last podcast. It was complained about that you gave up a spoiler about Game of Thrones. That being I feel like it's that Jon Snow died. That happened like five years ago. Get over it now. See, so the you're supposed to let it calm calm way of doing. They're very sensitive about this. So I was going to say like this is a spoiler from May of 2016. It comes back to life three episodes later. It's OK, everyone. So the other problem is a friend of mine was like he told me that people are very upset about it. That I was like, that's a spoiler of 2016. He was like, no, it's not. And I was like, I'll check the episodes. He's like, no, no, no, no. It's just 2009 spoiler because it came out in the book then. OK, OK. And so the hypocrisy they pointed out, apparently, was that we complained that there's a lot of channels that will put huge spoilers for like brand new games or films in thumbnails and titles to get people to click stuff. And so it's like, how can you complain about that?  And I was going to say, I think the comparison will be probably we were probably talking about stuff that's released like within the week. Yeah, like within the week.  So I keep track of them so that when they say something retarded, I'm on it. But they are like a little bitty channel. And sometimes they'll get really big videos because all they do is essentially take the cut scenes of new games and just put them on YouTube. And they'll say, this is what happens in this cut scene. And the spoiler, whether you even click on the video, it's a spoiler. It's right there. It's like this character dies. This character comes back. You do this task. I remember when that came out, the second it was out, like people were spamming Han Solo dies everywhere all over the internet. It was like a meme to spoil it. And so it's not someone with a bumper sticker saying Han Solo dies. And that's how I found out before I was literally driving to work. And I saw that and I was like, fuck, you got to be kidding me. I was literally I was streaming on Twitch. I was going to see it the day it came out. And some guy came in and said Han Solo dies. I was like, OK. Thanks. Did you not see that one coming? No, no, that's the thing. I thought he was going to die anyway. But when you get told it, that means there's no chance it's not happening. So you're just like, OK, definitely happening. When IMDb existed, well, when it had forms, somebody posted screenshots of like a bootleg or something of him getting stabbed on that catwalk. So I had that confirmed early on.  I mean, it's mostly the fact that it exists as a film. It makes it basically confirms his death.  That's probably it. But that's it. But yeah. And so I wonder as comparison, it's like, that came out in 2015. So is it spoiler territory if we talk about Han Solo being dead? And I'm like, what's the limit here? Because people were suggesting that we say, OK, spoilers, you know, mute, and we're going to talk about or to put it in post, like in the description, like spoils. I always felt like spoilers, like if you are on the internet watching a movie or an entertainment based show or listening to an internet podcast, if the film or show has been out for, say, beast, I don't think you can worry about spoilers. You're not that invested if you haven't watched it after a year. Well, the unfortunate thing is apparently this guy was like a couple of episodes away from the spoiler. Ah. He just happened to be watching this, like. OK, in my defense, I got it spoiled for me before I saw it. So now I want the rest of you to get it spoiled too. So I did too. So maybe I'm a hard worker and I just like, hey, it got spoiled for me. I knew it was happening before it happened. I didn't get to experience it. Just like the the only one that he did was that was actually good. Well, the first one, six cents. I that entire movie got spoiled for me. I never got to experience it for what it was. But I also knew the outcome to Fight Club and I still loved it. Yeah, yeah, it happens. I we always spoil. Well, I don't really spoil it. We tell you a whole movie in a review and we go, all right. Well, this is the point where we spoil it. And if you stay around with your own fault. So well, yeah, just say it only takes a moment to say spoiler territory from here on out. Click away if you don't want spoilers. But like, are we going to do the problem is like, if we bounce in between examples or references, we're not going to be like, OK, spoilers for this, I'm going to say that spoilers for this. I'm going to say that. So. So if we yeah, we can talk about like the classics.  And what is to say? That's all the ones we just referenced. They're all like classic spoilers. They could be someone like, wait, I was halfway through the sixth sense.  You're like, oh, sorry.  I knew what the twist was going to be like before the half. Maybe you have a sixth sense. Maybe that's what it means. I mean, I like the movie. It's just like I was like halfway less than halfway there. And I was like, he's dead. Isn't it? Well, did you know that sense is like a homophone for sense? By the way, everyone, Bruce Willis is dead in the sixth sense. The whole movie. And so I was going to say, what's the cutoff for guys if Gandalf comes back to life in the second movie? I actually haven't seen those movies, Lord of the Rings. So what? Oh, my God. Do I need to do I need to scream at somebody else again? God, I went I went for goodness. I'm like, I cannot express the Rings fanboy in the history of anything. So I find it sinful that you haven't watched those. I'm a sinner, but sinners. And they sent me the extended editions on Blu-ray. So when I go back from Star Wars Celebration, the sit down and watch them. So good. You should only watch the extended editions because they were taking the fan's word on it. I want to see it. I just know the guy who said it's OK that people haven't seen things. Come on. It's OK. Like on a like morally, but like socially, it's not acceptable. Ever once have I run into anybody that says, oh, let's talk about Lord of the Rings anymore. So really anymore. But they are phenomenal. Yeah, because would they assume that everybody has seen it and seen it and talked about it today?   But you're insane. They are the peak of movie making. They are the peak of filmmaking for a trilogy. It's unbelievable. Yeah, you're going to love it, Jeff. They you know, I love Star Wars, but Lord of the Rings smashes it for a consistency.  I mean, you know, they're I'm going to hear an argument from Wolf on that. Yeah, I mean, I guess that's an easy lead. So Jay put out on Twitter the other day. He's got he's someone we're trying to get to watch Lord of the Rings. He hasn't seen movies really. He's seen like three, maybe four, three and a half.  He watches the first Lord of the Rings movie and that he doesn't watch the sequels. And it's like what? Like my brain like broke when I heard it would be like watching Empire and just stopping like that. That's the level of cliffhanger you get at the end of the fellowship. So it's really all fellowship as a better cliffhanger. You know that broke has multiple meanings. We should not do this right now, cracks. So so Jay put out a tweet saying, just completed a trilogy of films that Elijah Wood stars in. And and obviously people were like, oh, cool. He was like spy kids that he put. I'm not. I haven't seen those either. You don't have to see that. I haven't. Don't watch. I haven't seen those. So I figured that maybe Jay should stay away from Wolf for a few days, weeks, years. Yeah, he not. He won't. Jay, Jay, you will watch this, by the way. He said he was interested.  No, I am analyzing the chat.  Oh, he's asleep right now. He said he's in March of Leia. Oh, hey, we're going to be on here for like 11 hours. I'll find him.  Just watching the chat the whole time, waiting for it. You'll get there one day. And it'll run Jay Wolf has the high ground. So and so certainly before we jump into the video, I want to cover there's going to be two movies that are worth mentioning, right? And one of them came out recently. It all got all MCU. Well, we'll jump into that in a second. But I figure anyone want any of this? That movie about the the guy who controls fish? Anyone? Yeah. What? Why would we need to talk about that? Crocodile Hunter. Look at all the time. Did you just what did you just say, Rags? Crocodile Hunter. Steve Irwin, the crocodile hunter. Yeah, what did you say about? What did you say about our Lord and Savior, Steve Irwin? I didn't actually say anything about him. I haven't heard any of his attributes. I didn't mention any of his skills, talents or attributes yet.  It's going to be tough to come after Rags for Grandma or anything. He's a very careful man. You've got to wait for it to be there. I enjoyed watching Steve Irwin, Crocodile Hunter. Wolf, just reading your sentences very slowly. Like, yeah, that's OK. That's OK. You haven't said anything yet. OK, so I've seen Water Man. Have you seen Water Man, Rags? Aquahomo. No, no, no, I can't say that anymore. It's against the law. Oh, it means man, not to be confused with the Greek, which is same, which is why we have like homophone or the Latin weir, which also means like what did everyone think of that that movie? Did everyone here? Love, Aquaman. I loved it. I'm sure everyone saw that on Wolf's channel. Did you manage to see Wolf's video? He does. He does throw about 10,000 criticisms of that movie. Yes, I did. I didn't see the whole video, but I mean, I saw like. So I was I was on Twitter now, Anna, that Star Wars girl who watches you guys all the time. She's a big fan and she sends me a link to to his video. And I didn't know it was with him. She just said, hey, you you need to check this out. And I was like, all right, I'll check it out soon. She goes, you're not going to like it. But I agree with him and and I was like, all right, you know, and I just figured it's one of these YouTubers that's got like 200 subscribers that are calling me every one would think. But he turns out he's actually kind of popular. So I clicked on it and I'm like, fuck, I really don't want to deal with Wolf and Mahler.  Shit. So I watch it and I'm like, I'm the literally the first thing you see when you click on his video. There I am. I love Doc Oman. Damn it, man. So I watched it. I think I watched about the first 10, 12 minutes of it. And I really don't want to fight with these guys, but I've got to respond. I got to respond because this is what I do and we'll just have to see what happens.  So now we're good, you know. But yeah, you you you clicked on it pretty quickly. Like, damn, that was quicker than I thought. And then then you sent me a long email and I was like, God damn, his emails are just as long as his videos. Shit. But but yeah, ultimately, what it comes out with Aquaman is it's expectations for me.  And I wanted to love Man of Steel. Man of Steel was like I'm a big Christopher Nolan fan. So they fooled me with like putting Christopher Nolan's name all over the marketing.  And so he was involved with it. The reason that movie exists because what's his name? Always forget his name, the guy that wrote the Dark Knight with him also did Blade Three. What's his name? Goyer, right? David S. Goyer. Goyer, yes. Yeah, Goyer, yeah. So Goyer came to Nolan with the idea on the Dark Knight Rises set and Nolan took it to Warner Brothers. And of course, they'll do anything Nolan says. So Nolan's the reason Man of Steel actually got greenlit and then he was involved with Cavill and bringing Snyder on and everything. So I went into Man of Steel just thinking this is going to be the Superman movie that I've always wanted. And of course, I love Superman. I love the the Reeve Superman movies.  And it's not really as bad of a movie as it's a bad Superman movie. I think if you look at it from the perspective of being an alien coming to Earth and trying to find his way, it's not a bad movie.  Like, like Coneheads? Ah, that's a classic right there. I wouldn't expect rags to reference Coneheads. I like that. If there's anything I know, it's the shape of heads. All I remember from Man of Steel was I saw it with my friends and they came out saying, you know what? That fucking, when he broke Zod's neck, that was, they just, apparently that lost them that moment in the film. And I'm not a Superman fan hugely. So I remember not understanding it then and I still don't know. What is the take for Man of Steel as a whole? I haven't seen it since it came out, which is more like 2000, like, Yeah, so. Yeah, yeah. I mean, generally speaking, yeah, generally speaking from what? I hear a lot of people that say I never liked Superman until I saw Man of Steel.  So a lot of people like Superman was always boring. I couldn't relate to him. He was always overpowered, yada, yada, yada, until I saw Man of Steel and he became relatable. Why?  Like, it's not Superman, you know? Doesn't he like choose not to save him to protect his identity?  It's like the opposite of relatable.  It's like, oh, great. Spoilers. Wow, you ruined 2000. Oh, who cares? Okay, so here's the thing.  And so does the dad. And then it shows like a different dog to add insult to injury.  I really don't remember that. He's shooting your reboots. They're trying to tell the whole bunch of these characters in a new refreshing way and it just never works. Isn't Henry out, by the way? He's not doing Superman anymore. It's not confirmed, but again, I don't think they know anything about what they're doing at DC right now. It's just, it's a very, like one day Ben Affleck is directing, writing and producing the Batman. The next day he's, oh, I'm just gonna start in it. The next day he's in Alcoholics Anonymous, then he's back on Batman, and then he's getting a divorce. If he's in Alcoholics Anonymous, that kind of defeats the purpose of being an Alcoholics Anonymous. If we're all like, oh yeah, he was in that. He was in that, like a movie. He was in that, like a movie. He was in that, like a movie. But to get it back to like, so then I hated Man of Steel. I hated Batman v Superman. And I ended up, while I think Suicide Squad is an objectively terrible film, there were parts of it that I found to be enjoyable at least. And then I loved Wonder Woman. And so going into Aquaman, I just had really low expectations for a DCEU movie. I don't think Aquaman's a great movie by any means, but I enjoyed it with all of its flaws. And so that's kind of where I stand on it. I had fun with it, but I was laughing at a lot of it. Yeah, it didn't take itself overly serious, which is what I liked about it.  What's the, what's up? I have to ask, why would you take a laser rifle and convert it into a helmet that shoots where you look?  Whatever he told the people he has to look up because he's like, yeah, I won't hit you. Don't worry. Somebody sent a super chat that's perfectly Julio says, to comment on your take on Man of Steel and Mueller, Zack Snyder took as much creative care for Superman's character as Ryan Johnson did Luke Skywalker. I'd say Ryan Johnson did worse, but it's they're in the same neighborhood. I don't know if I'd go that far. Ryan Johnson destroyed Luke Skywalker, not only in that movie, but his legacy. Superman can bounce back. Luke Skywalker. Yeah, Superman can have a reboot of Solace, I suppose. How many reboot Luke Skywalker at this point? Cause he's, he is Bob Hamill. Like, it'd be weird. Oh, we tried it with Han Solo. That didn't work. I did watch a little bit of Solo finally and it's very boring, very, very boring. It's not time. You just hate men.  I think that's our standard for Disney movies. It's how offensive it was to the character. Well, do you guys find this, like I find with our sort of fan base, typically Rogue One is looked at much kindly, much more kindly than any of the other three. Well, very much so. Easily. What do you think the reason is for that? Cause it's close enough to the old Star Wars and it doesn't disrespect or retell. Basically, it's not a reboot like Force Awakens and it's not bad like the last Jedi. It's, I think if there was something different that came before and after it, we might even look at that one differently. But because of what is surrounding it, I think we look at it much kinder. I think it's literally just because the last half hour was genuinely great. And everything else about it is like utterly forgettable. Man, did I love watching it. I don't love how it's all Guerrero. Watching Veda slash down a series of Rebels was just glorious. I actually like that part, but my favorite part was the space battle cause it looked like a new hope, which was going to take place two days later. So. Yeah, I was very much like, I don't know. I got a feeling of like, oh, that's so cool when they had all the old pilots in the actual ships. That might be my favorite part of that movie. Because it's like a lot of people would be like, oh, that's pandering. And I'd be like, it's what would be happening. These people would be there. Just like Veda would be there. Princess Leia. I remember her looking like porcelain in that movie. Well, that's just a cocaine. It's your eyes that work, Lacy, not everything else. Rope One is easily the best received film of the Disney movies. But I think that The Force Awakens initially was easily the most beloved, but the last Jedi, there was people that didn't like The Force Awakens from the beginning. Jeff is one of them. You know, obviously I've been a defender of that movie until The Last Jedi happened. And like I told you guys, like The Last Jedi, for the people that still defended The Force Awakens, The Last Jedi exposed how many problems there were within The Force Awakens. And now the people that now don't care about it anymore because The Last Jedi showed how flawed of a movie it was. And so because of that, now people look back at Rogue One in isolation and go, yeah, that's easily the best Disney Star Wars movie. They just styled you high. I didn't like Rogue One that much. Like a lot of people, like people talking about the Millennium Falcon moment in Force Awakens, like when I was going through that for my videos, everybody just says it's just good. It's just great. It's just amazing.  The way they do it, it's just so good. And you're like, why? Why is it just because it's the Millennium Falcon?  Why? Because...  What do you mean? What do you mean? What do you mean? Sorry? For years after watching that movie, instantly I've had these feelings like you do in all your videos. And I just had to spend like two and a half years of people around me gushing about a really terrible movie that a lot of people, thankfully, have waken up to. What is the thing I think the nostalgia for Star Wars is incredibly powerful? Because like not even the MCU can generate that kind of thing, really. It's like the most you get is like Iron Man nostalgia from 2008, which isn't that far.  The dangly keys thing, you know? And yeah, props to you for seeing right through it because I certainly didn't. I was just enjoying the spectacle for what it was, which I'm pretty sure was exactly what JJ was trying to do. But could have been well written too, I think so.  I think if you like a new hope, like I do, a lot of it was transparent. Maybe that's why I was so aware of it, maybe hyper aware, but... Well, a lot of people's initial takes involved the fact that it was a repeat, but the thing that I was just like, it's not just a repeat, they poorly copy it. They don't just copy it, it's not like it's a... If it was a direct copy, it probably would have been better because it would have been more coherent. But there's so much about the film that just, you know, you're just confused. Like, just the fact that you just think about the Kylo's Star Destroyer is just hanging out outside of Jakku the entire time. The Millennium Falcon is being chased, working on its, we call it Compressor, Han arrives, they deal with the Rath Toss. Like, what's Kylo's Star Destroyer doing this whole time? And that's the thing, like in the old ones, the second they lift off from Tatooine, the Star Destroyers are chasing them. It's like, oh, because the Empire actually, like, was competent, I don't know. Seems to be the only conclusion.  Well, my big complaint was like, okay, so Return of the Jedi was the perfect ending for this. It just, everything was resolved to a degree.  And then you had 35 years of, well, not 35, 32 years of expanded universe books and all this stuff. It was, Star Wars was in a good place. But this instantly retconned a lot of that, which, you know, pissed off a lot of people, but it also built up a lot of questions that they never answer. Like, the part that pisses me off that I make fun of almost in every video is when Maz Kanade has Luke Skywalker's lightsaber. She's like, that's a story for another time. What?  Or like, where's the Empire? How'd they get back? You know, I know they're the first order, but like all these things were brought up. And then as a fan, like Jeremy and I and you guys can all see that it was just brought back to mirror the old ones, to get you to feel a certain way to buy it. And yeah, it worked, I guess, for a lot. Like the general public, I guess, but it's just, like I said, I feel like the veil got lifted. Or was it, do you just think that the last Jedi was just too bad to be able to bank on the same sort of benefits that the Force Awakens got in terms of people not really noticing the cracks? Like it was just too awfully written.  That was, I think it's both, honestly. Well, I mean, because I think a lot of, go ahead. No, no, I was just gonna say, I think that the, a lot of us, myself included, we're really banking on the last Jedi, justifying a lot of the unanswered questions or plot holes in the Force Awakens. Why is Ray so good at everything? You know, yada, yada, yada. And when that didn't happen, it was kind of like, Jeff had already come to grips.  You know, where I, someone like me, and a lot of people, there were a lot of people like me, like, oh, the Force Awakens is so great, and the Star Wars is back, and then we go and watch the last Jedi.  I'm just like, okay, okay, okay. This is a good movie. This is a good movie. There's no way they made a Star Wars movie that's this bad. You know, I like this movie. It just, it took time for me to kind of really accept it.   I suppose it is. And the effects of the Return of the Jedi.  I don't even care about episode nine. Like it's such a huge problem. The last Jedi is a massive problem. So I think that there was just a, there was a, there was different layers for different people and how they were perceiving it. I think some people initially, the people that were against the Force Awakens walked in and walked out and be like, yeah, that was terrible.  Like, Mauler, you said you kind of enjoyed TFA at first, but then you kind of really came to grips with it, right? It was, I never gave it a critical eye. Honestly, it let it pass because I was such a really sort of doughy, Star Wars fan at heart where I just let everything slide. TLJ broke the scale.  I think, Wolf, I think you feel the same way on this sort of, but like TLJ made me realize how much I care about Luke Skywalker, where I previously didn't actually know consciously how much I adore that character. Because I would always be like, oh, I like Star Wars, I love Luke Skywalker, but the last jet, I kind of put it into perspective how much I cared about Star Wars and Luke Skywalker, because I was like, betrayed by watching that film. And yeah, like TLJ, you know, it shits on the originals, definitely, it contradicts itself. So like, fans of the movie alone will still have trouble with it, fans of the OTT will have trouble with it, but I think it probably, one of the biggest nails in it was probably that it counters TFA as well, which is something that maybe a slot right now wouldn't necessarily care to consider a huge flaw in the grand scheme of things, because the OTT damage is much worse, but all the people who loved the TFA are like, huh?  Yeah, you know, and it's creating enemies left, right, and center, which is quite a feat. But you know, well done. We've lost everybody. Go ahead. Take pleasure in that, that it's ruined Star Wars in a certain way. That makes you one of the fandom menace. Yeah. Yeah, so I was gonna say as well, do you guys not happy currently with the MCU or Captain Marvel, right? But there was a, was there a prediction that it wouldn't do very well, but it's sort of like, it's blown that out from what I've heard. Not on any of our channels. Yeah, completely misrepresented.  I don't know this for sure, but the only film I know from the MCU specifically that's actually managed to not make its money back is like, was it The Incredible Hulk? I don't even think that was a failure. I think it made its money. I'll look it up. I think The Incredible Hulk made its money. I think it made a small profit. Edward Norton was removed because he's difficult. He's one of the most difficult actors in history to work with from all accounts. But as far as the Captain Marvel stuff, I consistently said that it will open strong. It's an MCU movie. It's coming off of Infinity War because Captain Marvel's mentioned at the end of Infinity War and it's leading us into in-game. It will open strong. There's no doubt about it. I said the lowest it would do was 85 million, but I said I'll probably be around 120 million. Now, I did say I hope it fails and it deserves to fail because the identity politics, marketing, and all this stuff really has to say, but it's a Marvel movie.  They just see Marvel. They see Nick Fury and they want to go see the movie. So... Is it just her or is there anything else that you sort of...  Yeah, well, I'm not anti-MCU. I'm just anti-Captain Marvel and Brie Larson. And I'm the only one that got stuck seeing it. So I have even more problems than Jerry does. Oh, I saw it too, though. Yeah. I was just saying from, you know, the Phantom Menace over here, this corner of it. Yeah, that movie, I wasn't even bothered. I was pissed off with Brie Larson said because it kind of just splits the fan base and we just went through this with Star Wars. Yeah, it's unnecessary. And then Kevin kind of reaffirms it. And that's another problem I had too because they kept pushing Captain Marvel's the future. She's the most powerful. She's this, she's that.  Let us skip through this next one, then introduce her and then make her, you know, whatever. But yeah, dude, she should turn up at the end of end game when everything's over. She should be like, I'm here. And she'd be like, all right, fine. I'm like, who are you? I hear the keys. We're out. Yeah, you look after what's left. I think what Jeremy and I always harp on too is like the long game of the MCU. If you sour fans now, you're gonna not be able to have another 10 years and 21 movies if you keep going this route. Because we know these identity politics don't play indefinitely. They're representative of the time the movie's made and when they market it. But then you look back and you know, it's like bad haircuts or bad clothing. You're kind of like, ooh, what were we thinking? And that's how I feel Captain Marvel will be remembered because- I never get a haircut and I don't wear clothes. Well, perfect. I was gonna say, you gave it a five out of 10, was it? Five out of 10. It's not the worst thing ever. I think if I said, oh, it's a two out of 10, I'd be lying to just the rile of the audience. But it's the worst MCU flick. Okay, the moment it finished, I was like, that's at most a four. And after excruciating script writing to break this film down all of its issues, I'm like, I think it's fair to be like a two or three at this point. And again, this isn't something I just came up with because I'm angry or anything else. I actually was just, it was just like such a meh film but a consistency's sake, man. The world building, the characters, the actual plot, if you follow what the villains and heroes are all trying to do and the methods in which they do it, it's looking dreadful in terms of like, I don't think there's a worse MCU film for an actual structure of a narrative. And there's nothing to do with the fact, like all this shit's going on. I literally, like I was actually hoping it would be a well-written film so I could at least just say that but no hope on that front. Like, did you notice how the big twist in the film where does anyone care about spoilers for this? Like, wait for Captain Marvel. Not one bit. All right, chat. Darth Vader dies at the end of the third movie. We're going to spoil Captain Marvel.  The dog and I am legend dies. Yeah, Sean Bean dies. In everything. So we find out that the baddies of the movie are actually the goodies about two thirds of the way through. And I guess this question is just for Jeff but do you find it odd that they've been trying to kill Captain Marvel up to that point in several scenes and then they tell you, yeah, we just we needed you so we could find the engine. And it's like, why were you trying to murder her? Like, if you needed to just talk to her? Well, if I could go on, make two points. First off, in terms of the actual film, I agree with you.  It made no sense. And it kind of the structure of the movie just kind of fell in on itself. But my bigger problem is I don't know if you guys are into the Marvel comics. Like, I've been historically the scrolls who were there since the beginning. They're in the second issue of Fantastic Four were always these evil shape-shifting aliens that caused a lot of problems. And I know from the ones from the older comics that they've been around since 1962 or 61 depending on whatever the second book was published. All right. Oh, so you're talking about the elder scrolls.  We're back on dual and dual. What are those homophones, right? Homophones, yes. Yeah. No, but the thing is it also ruins like the MCU going forward because that was one of the great storylines that they could tell in the Marvel comics cinematic universe. You know, secret invasion. When Electra died in the comics, she turned out to be a scroll. Then there was this whole thing where who's a scroll? You'll find out it kind of mirrored the whole red scare of the 1950s here in America with who's a communist and who's nine. It was a really well-written story. And a lot of people now that Iron Man and Cap and Thor and all these actors are gonna leave, you're thinking, well, what can I, you know sink my teeth into? And you think, well, that's gonna be one of them. This is gonna be one of them.  Yeah, the damage that, like, I remember from the film, I was like, this seems like the kind of thing that could tell over a trilogy of films like the scroll versus the Cree and all the effects and stuff. And Fringy, a guy who's regularly on EFAP, he, before Captain Marvel came out, he was telling me about how the scroll and the Cree work. And he was like, who do you think out of all the characters that are currently established in the MCU are gonna be a scroll? And I was like, I don't know. We just did a bit of speculation, how things would work, what it would mean if certain people were or weren't and how much sense it would make.  Like, why did they waste it? They could have done, yeah. I was like, yeah, well, that sounds about right. They're trying to be safe, like trying to seal it all off while also being like, oh, we could do more with it maybe. My problem is like, as a fan of this stuff, I mean, even admittedly, some of these MCU flicks that aren't the greatest I still am okay with, more kind of looking at a kind eye at them. Overall, I've been really happy. And I mean, part of it with the end game for me is like, it's an end of an era. Maybe I'm ready to move on, but Captain Marvel only exacerbated that and made it like guaranteed that I'm ready to move on.  Because there was an era in the books where like a lot of the Avengers left the team and you were left with a real odd, like Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch team. And people still read the comic and then eventually Cap and Iron Man came back. But in the movies, we'll never get that. And, you know, you're not starting strong Marvel from a business standpoint. You got to build up like you did before. I knew brand recognition is great, but we're going on about The Last Jedi two years after it came out and it damaged Star Wars. Anything can damage a big brand if it's terrible. And where I'm, I'm sorry, Marla, go ahead. Oh, well, go ahead if you want to add on. So I'm going to move on to a slightly different Captain Marvel thing. Okay. Well, yeah. And what I was going to say is what it comes down to, like I'm a fairly decent MCU fan. I've had my ups and downs, but Infinity War pulled me back into the MCU. Like I didn't expect anything to. So I've never been higher on the MCU. So all of this Captain Marvel stuff has really taken away from my excitement to take us to in-game. You know what I mean? Oh, yeah. So that's where I'm at with it. And so that's why I'm so frustrated with it because it's such a, this was a strategically placed film. This was placed where it's placed, released when it's released at the time in between these two movies to make it as successful as possible. You're going to generate as much good will be like, look, look, she's right there among Infinity War and Endgame, the two biggest movies of the MCU. She's there. She's cool too. It's like, uh... Yeah. And so that's my problem with it is my, and I do think Infinity War is an all-timer, man. I love Infinity War. And again, I was really kind of, I was going through a fatigue of sorts with the MCU prior to Infinity War. And it just got me so motivated. And now I'm so frustrated with just Captain Marvel, not the MCU, but forward. There's some people who've said like, oh, people are overblowing how overpowered she is. Do you guys like, are you aware that the movie portrays her as, she has the ability to travel at the speed of light? Yeah, I've heard all the spoilers of it. That's not something like that. That ability...    Like, that's, I know people will be like, oh, superheroes, why are you taking it so seriously? It's like, I don't know, man. Cap, Iron Man... Yes, but how super? There's the fact that Iron Man suits would actually like take damage and degrade over this course of fights. Like, is at least assigned to the audience that he has limitations. You don't, it's not just like a perfect suit throughout the entire thing. We actually get like a sense of like, oh yeah, he's actually potentially going to lose out eventually run out of resource, which isn't accentuated more so than with Thanos when he gets himself stabbed with his own suit. The idea that she can, like, I shouldn't be asking these questions, but I'm like, is she still carbon based? Does she still like require energy? Like, I don't, I don't get it. Those are legitimate concerns because we've all seen Christopher Reeve Superman, the first one directed by Richard Donnery had this mantra of Orissa Millitude. I think it means like, you know, it's fantasy, but you treat it realistically. And Marvel had done that, like he brought up Iron Man suit. Remember he ran out of energy at the end of the first one because he had the wrong core. There are certain things that keep you. And it's also, it helps with trauma because if your hero is never in any kind of danger, that's why we complain about Ray. It's not because of her vaginates because she's never in any danger and she comes out on top no matter what. I've never seen her vagina, so I can't comment on that. I don't want to say anything there, but she did play a cadaver. They ain't all winners, folks. For the sake of checks, I didn't know this until I was actually like, looked over it with Fringy, but you know the Jeff, I guess, any person who's going to know this. So at the end of the film, when they get into that ship and they leave in search for other scrolls and they just zoom off because obviously it's got the light speed engine technology in it. Yeah. She travels alongside it. There's no way she had enough time to get into it. There's no like fucking.  So she's traveling with them, which means she's traveling at the speed of light, assuming that's what light speed engines do. I don't know that the film never says that they call it that for any other reason, right? Like it must be, which I find odd, by the way, why would that be faster than what they currently travel with? You know, those, those jump points. Why wouldn't that be faster than the speed of light? I believe so, because that move, here's one thing I don't think a lot of people are taken into consideration with Captain Marvel, much like the last two Star Wars movies in the main line, they take place over such a short, excuse me, such a short period of time that it causes like odd inconsistencies because it's like they say how many hours it takes Jude Law to get to earth. Right. And all these things just happen in like one day and it almost feels too crammed in and you can't really buy into, you know, any theories or world building. It's all just over one short period of time.   So why do they need the light speed engine? Can't they just use whatever they're using anyway? Why is the Tesseract with, what's her name, Annette Benning? I mean, there's so many questions. And like today I just saw a meme over on our Facebook page. This movie actually retcons Nick Fury's eye completely because if you watch, I think it's Winter Soldier, he shows a picture of himself, old and bald with both eyeballs. So no scratch either. So there's just more problems that this movie creates than it does bring goodwill or excitement for Endgame.  Not to tell a good story, to put a diverse cast. And when you start out, storytelling is taking a backseat. You know, you heard JJ Abrams talk about it. Well, we want this world to look like our world.  Nobody wants a goddamn 7-Eleven on the corner. I was gonna say, did you see the cantina in New Hope? It wasn't exactly like- Exactly.  So with Captain Marvel, it's clear that they're focused on putting a female superhero, which again, nobody has a problem with that in isolation. But you are basing this on gender and not storytelling. And once you do that, the storytelling is going to suffer. And so their focus is to, you know, represent the woman and get the woman to get respect because she's been so held down. And this is breaking barriers, even though Wonder Woman only came out like two years ago. You know, they have indigenous history. A far better film. Almost in parallel with Captain Marvel, too. And a lot of people really liked Alita. Yeah. Alita is fantastic. I don't know if you guys have seen it, but it is great. It's now a Disney film, Jeremy. So keep that in mind. That's true. Hey, Wolf, what do you think of Alita Ball Angel? Oh, do we want to go into it now? You could if you guys want to. It's up to you guys. Fight, fight, fight. Well, I've made quite a few people mad by saying- You made a video on this?  So yeah, I thought it had some of the worst worldbuilding I've seen in a sci-fi film in recent years. It's bad. Wolf has pissed off people in our chat several times with this. Yes, and here's the great thing is like people got mad at me for it. So I was like, fine, I'll go watch it again and see if I didn't pay attention because people were saying that I literally didn't pay attention to the movie. So I went back and only one of the like 50 questions I had was actually answered. And it was only revealed in a single like four word sentence. And I hadn't seen the movie in a month. So I think I get a little bit of credit for that one at least. But anyway, I asked people the questions that I had after watching the second one.  It doesn't matter or that it would take three hours to explain it anyway, which I think is a really shitty excuse.  Yes, but I'm waiting.  I ordered it like a month ago and it's not coming to like April 9th. You order it from Japan. Japan's far, far away. I ordered it from Amazon because there was like the Amazon is far, far away too. Yeah, dude. I live right up the street from an Amazon home. I get everything the same day. Well, yeah, I know. I think it's because because the the pack I ordered is the entire series in a single package. And it came out like coinciding with the movie. So I think what happened is a lot of people bought it immediately and they didn't make enough copies. So to clarify, will building is the biggest problem you had, right? You were OK with. Yeah, I mean, the second. Yeah, I mean, visuals. I mean, I don't really care because it's superficial. The music character development. I liked Dr. Ido and that was really it. Dr. Ido. Well, I mean, I've seen a leader once. I mean, I had no desire to see it until everybody and their brother kept telling me to go see it. Well, here's the thing. I went into it thinking it was going to be good because I really like the YouTuber, E.R. I don't know if you know who.  He said it was good. And I was like, well, I generally agree with a lot of the things he says. So I was actually walking into it kind of excited. But a lot of the moments that were supposed to be dramatic, I found myself laughing at. And that's because you're the characters I really didn't like. Although the same time, I actually found myself liking Dr. Ido a lot, which wasn't expecting. I would like to see it again. And I would have a discussion with you after you make your video. After I get to watch it and if I see it again, I'll have a discussion because the world building was not a problem for me. And world building is a problem for me in a lot of movies. But I would like to watch it with that perspective in mind to to but I like the one time. So I came out of it kind of like mad at it because I was like, people really think this is a good movie. But as I thought about it more, I was like, there's a glimmer. It's more of a disappointment because there's a lot there that they could have made a really good movie out of. But I feel like it could have benefited from like 45 extra minutes. Love how I had a similar reaction to Captain Marvel when I was like, people thought this was mediocre. It's not that good. I'm like, Jeff, have you seen anybody say Captain Marvel is great? On Facebook, I have outside of it. Never in the Marvel box. Like I've not seen anyone defend that position. I've seen people say it's OK. It's OK.  We all kind of like, you know, Wolf is like, OK, I I heard everybody saying that Elita was great. So I went and saw it and I don't understand why people are saying this. We all get the vibe. We all get the the temperature of the room.  There's no excitement, generally speaking, about Captain Marvel. You know, it's already done 812 million dollars. The concern, nobody talking about this movie. The concern I have with my video. I'm like, I better get this done quicker because like people are going to forget it exists soon. You're right about that. You're right about that. I think you have a week that's your window. And then I think Captain Marvel is dead. Oh, well, I'm not sure I can get it except I'm trying to. I don't know, man. I put out a fallout video months after people said it was a dead topic. And I think people will always be reminded. I think if you do, if you do critique on it and it's long enough, people will see that and go, oh, yeah, I've heard it was bad. But clearly it's not. There's a lot of stuff I don't know. And I want to find out why. Yeah. There's some weird stuff going on with Captain Marvel video. Oh, yeah, that right now. Some shenanigans and on my personal channel, even I got. I made a video about the New Zealand shooting that the night happened because of the whole PewDiePie thing, you know, where they were trying to.  He's, you know, spreading alt-right toxicity. And so I made a video. I didn't talk about the shooting specifically as much as talking about the reaction and how people are trying to blame PewDiePie on my personal channel, which only when I think I had like 9000 subs when I uploaded it, I don't post a lot there. The video had like over 50,000 views in a few hours. And all of a sudden I get an email notification. YouTube said I violated community standards with my metadata. I'm like, I have no idea what it's the same metadata I have on everything. I had the correct tags and my website. They took it down and said, you can re-upload it when you correct the problem.  I don't know what you're not telling what the problem is. Anna, that Star Wars girl just had a Captain Marvel video set to private that she couldn't unlock because of metadata. They said she violated metadata. I don't know what this means. And so it's really kind of weird. Some of the decisions that they're making right now with Captain Marvel, my views have tanked in the last three or four days. We had like 6 million views in the last 30 days on Geeks and Gamers. And now that's that's about average in about 200,000 views a day. I'm lucky if I can get 50,000 views right now in a day because it's just weird, man. So it froze my channel, essentially. My subscriber count was going. I'd probably get a thousand subscribers every other day. Maybe maybe you have a thousand a day. But all of a sudden we hit 107 and change and then we stopped and then we went down and we went up. And now we're slightly moving up again. But I also applied to get my channel verified like you did Jeremy. And that's when I kind of ran into an issue. So I don't know what's going on with YouTube, but it's not just me. It's you, it's NerdRotic who doesn't even make anything. Yeah, it's not, yeah. It's a YouTube issue. I don't think we're being targeted. I think the topic is. And I think that's why people talk about it. Maybe Disney thinks well, as long as they're talking about it, people go see it. But, you know, this topic, I hate to use the phrase toxic, but it's like just nasty, the stuff that goes on with this movie. And that's why we critique it the way we do. And we're lucky that it's a shit movie on top of it. It's not like it's this great piece of art that we're trying to tear down because of something. Not only is it a bad film, but the culture surrounding it is just terrible. It's crazy. So Wolf, I mean, Moller either hurry and get that video out or, you know, don't worry about it.  Nearly five hours into a two out of six pop breakdown of a movie that came out 2015 that everybody is like, everyone knows for a second it's as bad. And I'm like, well, no. Don't ever give up on those because I listen to those when I draw the comic. I love the long form stuff. So yeah, I'm having a wink. Did you guys hear about what happened to Midnight's Edge on their Captain Marvel deal? No, what's that? They were live streaming. I think it was a non-spoiler review of Captain Marvel in the middle of the live stream. It got taken down and they got a strike on their channel. For what? And they, they appealed it and got the strike. The Estonian government, that's who struck them down. The Estonian government. That's a made up country. I have screen shots of them. What? I'll be sure to exact it in a minute. Just like North Dakota is a made up state. Well, no, that's North-ist Dakota. That's what some people call Canada. I will say it again. If Midnight's Edge runs into trouble.  They're just a matter of fact channel. Like, boom, this is what we know. This is what we don't know. They don't make up anything. They don't cause any problems. If they're running into issues, I think the problem is something else, not their content. So it was, it was kind of scary. I really, I mean, it's, there's just so vague. I will say, and just, just to be fair, I mean, I've had my issues that YouTube has directly helped me out with at the same time, but it still doesn't change the frustration level. YouTube is so fickle. That's the thing. Oh yeah.  I know. And they went out of their way to help me when I had my problem because my entire month's ad revenue got stolen from me.  Hey, Wolf, fishing is a homophone. YouTube. Full circle, man. Full circle. Yeah, you called me with that after. Yeah. Cause I was, I was on the set of Star Wars series Vader fan film when I got the email. And I just, I had so much going on. I just, I wasn't thinking clearly. And I responded to, I clicked the link that I shouldn't have. And anyway, long story short, YouTube went out of their way to help me and they got everything back and got it put back in my account.   Like maybe you'll get a nice person. Maybe you'll get an Indian. Who knows? Wow, rags. Maybe it'll be a nice person or an Indian. Yeah. I like that you had to. No, no, no, no, just to clear it. No, I mean, dots, not feathers. And what? Fuck. Hey, Jeff, do you remember when you had the street with B Razor Fist and the guy around the toy channel? I didn't get to know him very well, but remember, I think it was a joke from Razor Fist that got like all of us in trouble on Twitter because they were like, it was some joke about, I think it was like Kelly Marie Tran, something to do with it. And it was just like, we got major outrage.  I was like, we go through that regularly on E-Fab. Next question.  I felt bad for Retroblaston because he was the most professional about all of it. And that kind of killed our professional working relationship because he had been on the channel one other time. And it was one of my favorite things I've ever done. But he got so much flack from his community that I just was like, you know what, man, I don't want to cause you any problems. We just won't work together anymore. And you know, I've since talked to Razor Fist and stuff, I believe, and he's cool. But it was such an innocent joke too. Yeah, no, that's the thing. Like anything goes on E-Fab pretty much because once you draw some kind of like, you're not allowed to joke about X, the community will start to evolve to the point where everything starts to become impossible to joke about.  So you're just going to get yourself in so much trouble. We don't want to build up a community that will turn on us the second we say something that they deem inappropriate. Yeah. We don't want to destiny's community. We don't want one of these feminist communities. We don't want to have to constantly straddle the right line of what's acceptable to say. And yet we will keep pushing that line. Yeah, boy. It comes up. But yeah, I was going to say, we've actually passed an hour, so we should probably get to this video to make sure we're actually, we're doing something today. Everybody's in this watch together, right? I guess I should give a small intro for the people of the chat. This is a video called Star Wars, The Fandom Menace. And I was sent it a while ago, and I figured, like, I've been waiting for the right sort of guests to cover it with, because pretty much you guys, you guys own that sort of moniker, right? The Fandom Menace. Yeah. So proud of it. They took me down yesterday. So I don't know if you guys saw I got exposed. So I'm no longer involved. You're not alone. You just got your Fandom Menace card taken away. I don't know if this is a coincidence or not. Like, I don't know if this person named this video after that sort of collective, or if it was just, you know, he's just calling it that because it's a clever name sort of thing, like instead of Fandom Menace. But it's definitely a criticism of the sort of toxicity that surrounds Star Wars as a whole. So I don't know for sure that this is going to be a terrible video, but it'll be interesting to talk about and we'll be able to jump into any sort of topics because I think it's safe to assume that all five of us are not exactly pleased with the last Jedi or Star Wars right now. Not pleased. Could have been better. Yeah, could have been better. Could have been better. I don't know. I don't know what you're talking about. I love that movie. She went to the season. I think that was pretty good. Maybe this guy will change our mind. Anyway, here goes. This'll be fun. Oh, and of course, those who are new to Watch The Elder, you can change the volume for yourself in the bottom right. You won't affect anyone else's. The bottom left, you see Mahler. What's, this is really cool. So that's the left there at the bottom right. You could pause it. If you hold up your hands, right? I can't because I got paused.  And the one that makes an L is your left hand. Pause is a homophone. So you know that one's left. That's true, pause is a homophone. I'm glad we've made progress today on Woods. You can twist your right hand to make an L, Sue. Yeah, but why would you do that? That would be ableist. Don't want to expect from this, honestly. Or worse.  That's you guys, by the way. Hooray. We made it. I get it. Has anybody who asks this question shut up that they could be the root of the problem? I'm assuming we could all come to the same conclusion. No, this video is a call to arms for all the decent and mentally sound Star Wars. All right. Call to arms, my brothers. We need to fight against the meanies on the internet. What do you mean he says, is Chris Stuckwood is one of the sane ones, all right? What are the? The man who has no opinion on anything is one of the sane ones. Good to know. Thanks. I can tear this video down right now. If you agree with this guy, you're a sane person.  Yeah. That's a holy, holy minute video. I mean, it's nice and simple. Moving in for those who didn't but still have a sense of humanity. For those that may have a sense of humanity. Sense of humanity. Guys, you show a black man.  Are you saying that black men are not humans? I'm glad Fringy's a frog, girls. I would have serious problems.  Yeah, the rational. I hate everything. You know what's funny? Me and Jay watched, I hate everything's video on why he hates superhero movies, right? And at one point, he goes on this small tangent ranting about how he's like, I should be allowed to criticize these movies without you like, assuming that I'm taking your feelings away. And he's like, you're not going to change my mind on whether or not these superhero movies are terrible because what I did was come to a conclusion that wasn't mindless. I was just like, oh my God, this is from like three years ago.  Those two would not get along with each other. Once you start a conversation off with, you cannot possibly change my mind.  I am set and there is no way for you to change your mind. Why have a discussion with you ever? I mean, look at his look at his anthem reveal where he just said, in my opinion, every other sentence, he's just so I don't know. I hate everything. Such a weenie. Alex, you lost your balls. Get him.  Like the if you look at his destiny video, like his very first destiny video and compare it to anything he's made in the past year. It's like a different person. Yeah, it's like a different person. Sorry, I hate everything. I'm not sorry.  And if you're back to what made you good in the first place, your content was better. But I don't know about you guys, Jerry, Jeff, but we sort of have this thing. Or if we were like TLJ was like a big litmus test, like a lot of reviewers were basically like if they put out a video arguing that TLJ was extremely well written, any movie before that, they could do it. And they'd mostly be fine, even if the movie was terrible. But with TLJ, it was like they were getting called out. They'd be like, well, what about this? And then they'd be like, huh? You know, we call them shills in a lot of our videos, Jeremy. But that's kind of like a litmus test for us, too. If you're bought and paid for, I can tell, you know, you're afraid of criticism if you blindly love this movie in many regards. Oh, hey, I can tell you point volume for the video. They couldn't hear it in the chat. Yeah, I saw a few of those comments. I can tell you point blank. I had a good relationship with Lucasfilm. I got I went on a personal tour of Lucasfilm, everything.  So you have to stay in their good graces. But you have to stay in the good graces. And so you've got people out there that'll shield for them and will just do anything they can to stay within the good graces, they can get those press passes and get the Star Wars celebration passes, all that. Success to a lot of people. Oh, yeah. Thanks, multi, multi mystic for reminding me. I'm supposed to ask you guys, what are your bets for the so for episode nine, which I'm assuming both of you are going to go to go see you. Yeah, you're going to the channel. Like I did Captain Marvel. Yes, sort of just watch the funeral for Star Wars, sort of masking your misogyny. The eulogy. Yeah. So on on EFAT, we got a running sort of that that got started. I think it was the Shinobi episodes that this got started, funnily enough, because the cynic snacks, one of the first people who actually gave a vote. So which do you think will be either like the most poorly written or most inconsistently written character of episode nine? Now, before you say anything, you're not allowed to vote for Lando or Kylo, because we all know that those two are going to be top tier choices, because Kylo makes no sense constantly, like one of the most strongest choices. And Lando, it's probably safe to assume Lando will be ruined. Like it'll be white in the next movie. Yeah, you know, why not? Actually, they wouldn't do that. They'd make him female or whatever. Like it wouldn't be they wouldn't make him white. Braggs, come on. That's too evil. That's evil right there. That's evil.  But the top voted things right now are Finn and Poe for like characters that'll just be most inconsistent. But obviously you can go for literally anybody as far. I think the logic with people not voting for Luke is that he's basically been destroyed. So it's like, I don't even.  I think if you look at it, I mean, out of the choice, Finn, what they did with Finn in The Force Awakens and how they were setting him up and then what they did with him in The Last Jedi. It's just so weird. And I feel like JJ is going to take it back to what they were doing in The Force Awakens. But that almost applies to everything that I feel JJ is going to do. I think that the whole trilogy is going to be inconsistent in such a on such a massive level. But in terms of specific characters, I feel like Finn is going to be heavily focused on a lot in episode nine. And I feel like that's going to make his whole arc the most inconsistent. I'm going to go with Poe, but I do want to say Finn had the potential to be the most interesting of the entire trilogy. They would have, you know, not made of a joke. But I'll go with Poe Dameron because. The new Star Wars trilogy needs the, you know, the mirrored image of Lohan Luke and Leia. So they tried that with Ray Finn and Poe.  Because he was so lame in the second one. You know, he was OK in the first one, kind of there just existed. But he got basically cut out by was it Admiral Holdo and then didn't really do anything at the end. He did some cool slide and that's it. I say in this one, they try to make him an interest or an actual character. That's my guess. He'll be the most inconsistent because he'll try not saying he's going to be great, but they'll try harder to make him more masculine in the traditional sense. You're going for Poe and Jeremy, you're going for Finn, right? Oh, Jeremy Poe. Jeremy is Finn and Jeff is Poe. Excellent. I was going to say I'm voting for Finn and Jeff, you're with Alex Vox's CJ and Southpaw. So the two top voted ones right now is Finn and Poe.  And I just I look at it and I'm like, is it because of the fact that everyone else is already ruined and Ray will be perfect? There's no chance Ray will be inconsistent. Well, I voted for Hux. True. And the logic right is that you went from X in Force Awakens to Y in TLJ. So now they have to choose between X or Y. And no matter what they do, the more you talk about this, the more it's such a disaster. God damn. Yes, it's good that I did that. And now we will we'll kick on with the video to make sure it's just. Oh, Yippie. To me, we can all come to the same conclusion. No, this video is a call to arms for all the decent and mentally sound Star Wars fans for those who like such conviction. And he does say for those who didn't like it, but a sense of humanity for those that have a sense of humanity. And you have to wonder, like, are we included in that? We're probably not. We probably we probably didn't make the call. We have differing views, but can all come to an agreement on the fact that the actions of a specific set of our community, a horrid part of our fan base have no justifiable right now. What? Yeah, I have a horrid part of the fan base. It's your sense, bro. He sounds very, very.  I have. Do you guys love it?  You're overreacting in the way that I don't love the direction that I don't like. Yeah, overreacting the way that I like, like, say you love it. That's OK. So you adore it. You worship it. That's all good. But if you hate it, oh, that's not. Do you realize this is for kids and you hate it? I love that argument so much. Yeah, it's a kid. It's a kid's movie, but we're going to obsess over sexual relationships and do our fan fiction with Poe and Finn making out, but it's for kids for kids. Well, remember, you're allowed to love it, right? But you're not allowed to hate it because it's for kids. Right. Right. So you're allowed to have the emotional reaction. We deem is appropriate. Like I was anyone ever said you shouldn't love Star Wars. It's for kids.  I hear you shouldn't criticize it because it's for kids. It doesn't hold up to any standards. What?  Just some of my favorite movies are designed specifically for children. So I'd be like a story. I mean, it's grand adventure. Wally is it's not something that is poorly written, like a treasure planet. I am giant. Like that credible Atlantis. And it's like, I love Atlantis. Once you've named enough, these the people who are making the army would be like, oh, yeah, there are some really well written kids stuff. You'd be like, yes, yes, there is.  An agreement looks like a list of actions of the actions of a specific set of our community to buy this a hard part of our fan base. Horrid, no justifiable right to act out as they have. One of the messages that has always been an underlying tone of the Star Wars series, for me, at least. Is that no matter how different you look or sound, we are all a member of this one universe. What do you like last message of Star Wars? I've never I've watched Star Wars for 26 years. I've never once had that thought. Yeah, that's no, that's the thing. That's why themes are so just low bar. You can make things out of anything. You can connect to anything. You should be like, oh, Star Wars is always about no matter where you're from, we're all a part of the same thing. It'd be like, what movie did you just watch? I don't think that they they glorify that the dark side members are like. That was the theme of the game. It's just slightly different, but they're all welcome into our family. Like, no, necessarily. I think you have to switch before you can come over to the court. I don't know. The family themes I totally get. But being like it's like an all inclusive, happy, everybody's great. Sort of that's like, I don't think of the huts portrayed in a way that anything other than evil. I don't accept. We don't accept the the slug people. They're not Beachbody ready. I'd love that if this guy responded. He's like, well, we don't accept those guys, obviously. Is that no matter how different you look or sound, we are all a member of this one universe. Whether you like Last Jedi or you weren't a fan of it, doesn't matter. We're all part of this family. Like it's up to us to root out the hatred, though. The infection of a root out the hatred. That's amazing.  Jesus, we have to root out the hatred. I'm sure that was an accident in his script, but the implication of that sentence like. It's just funny.  We have to root them out of society. Yeah, it's like if you like the I'm trying to. Yeah, you get the point. It's Jedi. Well, if you like the Jews or you're not a big fan of them, maybe we should just root them out of society. Aren't a fan of it. Doesn't matter. We're all part of this fan base. It's up to us to. Oh, even us people who hate it. The infection of a once great fandom has to be cured. Infection.  The Muslims in our goddamn Holy Land. That is.  We have to retake Jerusalem. And it's a it's a call for peace. Right. The quell and the infection and reach peace. I always say that like as a sports fan, these people would never survive being in sports. Who would hit you with their plastic lights? Oh, my God. It's just unbelievable that they think that this is toxic or dangerous.   So, yeah, I mean, my God, man. The fact that it comes down to that is so awkward. The whole chat is saying this. All crusades if you're with me on this journey of reclaiming a peaceful fandom full of different but equally as beautiful opinions, equally as beautiful opinions. As long as they line up with yours, right, pal? Oh, as long as they are equally beautiful opinions, as long as they're positive and I approve of them. Ember, the prequels. That was that was very divisive. No, it was OK to hate them.  They'll be like, yeah, but they were bad. Yeah. Yeah. And it's like, oh.  Like Disney drones. Like, can you actually name one intelligent person on the planet that's actually unironically a last Jedi fan? Well, it's strange because my dad likes it. My dad loves the last Jedi. Is your dad smart? Oh, he's really smart. That's the thing. It's just he he just sees movies a different way, I guess. It's weird. Honestly, like I could see casual viewers totally like it. Like I feel like my parents saw the last Jedi, which they haven't even seen it that my dad would be like, oh, that's that's that's the Skywalker. I know. Yeah. Yeah, that's Logan, Sky Runner. And then if I was like, why is he on that island, dad? He'd be like, I don't know. Oh, I don't know. Maybe he's on a pee break. You know how people get when they're old. Why is he giving up on everything? Someone in the chat said my sister's boyfriend loves T.L.J. There's a lot of people out there that their wives boyfriend really likes T.L.J. I can tell you that much. Yeah, wonderful. And enjoy what this video has to offer. If not, if you're part of the toxic brood that is recently rearsighted, the toxic brood. Like from the WWE. Enjoy the video or your toxic. Well, who all is in the brood? Oh, God, Christian and gang real. So we're the brood. I like it. Well, it was good knowing you guys. We're going to be sent to jail for being part of the toxic brood soon.   Like that's just bad. The toxic brood.  I mean, I mean, but instantly it sets the tone of the video. It's instantly right off the bat.  Toxic milk. It's like smoke. I just love I'm already he's already given me two great quotes for next April Fools. I'm like, chill out. We got a whole year of this before we can take into the script. We face then I hope you stay and maybe learn that you can have a different opinion without being some sort of hate monger.  This is ironic. There's the irony. Jesus, the hate mongers of the toxic brood. I wonder if on a t-shirt. Mongers are toxic. Oh, yeah.  Yeah, the toxic brood. Yeah, they're great. I saw him live and I'm embracing. I'm embracing the brood. Brace the brood. Let's own it. We're the five founders of the toxic brood. That's video defending Star Wars, the last Jedi. I used the term fans referring to the ones who put on those who have different opinions. Oh, so we're not your fans, right? I'm glad that you are the arbiter of what a true fan is. Thank you, Mr. Scotsman, the ones who claim to be true Star Wars fans and say to others, you know, to choose Star Wars fan if you didn't hate the last Jedi. Have you guys ever said that to anyone? You're not a true fan. No, and this is a discussion we always have. It's I say this all the time. OK, it's OK to like a bad movie. Just acknowledge it. That's it. It's the last Jedi. I I still get I still get eggs thrown at me in public for liking Mortal Kombat Annihilation. I'm one of the seven people on the planet that likes this movie. It's not a good movie. It's a horrible film. So I think they equate that to, you know, letting us have our opinion or whatever. Oh, I'm guilty of that. They're both and they're they're just it's it's total nostalgia for me, like I said, with Mortal Kombat 3 and Annihilation. But the point is nobody in the fandom and menace, nobody period that has, you know, become prominent in the, you know, resistance or whatever you want to call it of the last Jedi in Disney Star Wars has said that you can't like the movie. Nobody has said that. Nobody has a I have people on my team that like this movie from Geeksandgamers.com. There are people that like it. It doesn't make sense as a statement. You can't I can't have it. You excise them like what can I even do? Cast a spell that prevents you from feeling that. No, I don't like it. If people that need their opinion, you know, just they need their opinion validated by other people. Yes. And when they can't have their opinion validated, they need you're immediately a racist, a sexist, misogynist, toxic and you. Even though none of that is true, like, you know, you can't assume people's politics because they have an opinion on a movie, but that's what these people do.  So I'm hard hard. Yeah, yeah. How are the news papered? Like, yeah, my power. Hitler, yes, the South shall rise again. Is it the North shall write the South? Sorry, make Germany great again. Yeah, the whole right. Let's do it. The whole true fan thing as well. It's like no true Scotsman. Does anyone really do that? I don't know. I've always assumed it was just ironically saying it, like, you know, I've always said this. I acknowledged that the prequels, especially the first to have some major problems, I enjoy the prequels, I enjoy the stories of the prequels. I fought with prequel haters a lot. Like, I fought with these people for years because I would defend the prequels from the story standpoint. When I argued with prequel haters. Probably were Star Wars fans. When I argue with people that defend the last Jedi, they don't seem to be Star Wars fans. They seem to be people that are invested in this because of the identity politics. That's what it comes off to me. I have argued with these people so much on both sides. The prequel haters and the last Jedi and the sequel trilogy defenders and when I bring up points, it's just like they don't really seem to understand anything about Star Wars and why the last Jedi is such a problem and how it impacted the return of the Jedi, how it didn't capitalize off of anything that the Force Awakens built up, how it's set Episode 9 up to be a complete failure. They don't seem to understand it at all. They only seem to want to call us the same names. We all get called. And when you start, when your defense to a movie is that someone is a racist and like, seriously, where are these racists and the sexists that these people keep claiming? Like, well, it's not even an argument against it. Well, like all five of them are in this call. Yeah, we literally started the toxic brood, dude. Exactly. I'm part of the toxic brood.  But tell me what's wrong with the film. It doesn't matter what I am. You might be given the more credit for their sort of requirements. Like, I've already heard it. Like, they get to the point where I was watching a Captain Marvel review that was relatively positive, but still didn't like it. And one of their opening things was like, if you find these reviews with guys saying, like, I'm not sexist, I just don't. He's like, ignore that. They're going to be sexist. I was like, oh, wow. Like, that's the criteria. You just need to say you're not sexist. You're sexist, so you're done. Another movie that I like that a lot of people don't, and I'm fully self-aware enough to understand it. And it's X-Men Origins Wolverine. I enjoy the movie. I don't like Deadpool. I've never liked Deadpool as a character.   So Deadpool is horrible in that film in terms of being portrayed as Deadpool. And so I understand why Deadpool fans hate the portrayal of Deadpool in that movie.  So you can like the last Jedi. You can like the portrayal of Luke Skywalker. Betrayal of Luke Skywalker. That was that. Can we rename EFAP to the toxic brood? Dude, I will be here every week if you do that. Need tattoos, Jeremy. I got a couple of I. There's always a few closet X-Men origin Wolverine fans when I make that comment on the Internet. And I appreciate you. I'm not one of them. There's going to be somebody in the chat who would openly say, like, yeah, I like the last Jedi. I did. But they like these channels. I don't know. Maybe Brian talk about all of the things about it that maybe don't work. There's going to be somebody in chat who liked it. And now someone's probably going to say they like it just for the meme. But you know what I mean? Like, statistically, it's going to happen. Yeah, let's kick on. I want to hear more about the toxic brood. Be true Star Wars fans and say to others, you know to choose Star Wars fan if you didn't hate the last Jedi, it's a disgrace to this theory. The fact is this franchise is on the brink of collapse because the people who love it are tearing it down with every fiber of their being. Oh my god.  Good Lord. I just didn't support this movie. It's a failure not because of the quality of the film. I'm curious. Because people didn't like the quality of the film. What does he mean the brink of collapse? Was it? It was just fine up until to me, 2015. And now it's in the toilet. Well, yeah, you guys ruined it. You guys killed it. No, I'm a hate monger that talks of fruit. Yeah, I just I'm curious because as long as Disney are making money out of them, which by the way, Episode IX is going to make money, there's no way it won't. No one's ever denied that these movies won't make money. But when was it $750 million less between the Force Awakens and the Last Jedi? There's a disconnect. That's a huge difference. I'm pretty sure my prediction would be nine will make less than both TLJ and TFA, but I can't know for sure.  It was like a thirty nine percent drop, which is outstanding. You look at the second week drop on the Last Jedi because everybody went to the Last Jedi because a lot of people enjoyed Force Awakens and go see the Last Jedi. Huge opening weekend. Sixty, I think nine percent drop in week two. And that right there. Yeah, that right there showed you.  So but if you start looking at how far it dropped on week two, comparatively speaking to the Force Awakens, I mean, it dropped big time, big time. Yeah, my assumption is like, you know, like Predator and Alien and a couple of other franchises, they're like puppeted corpses of a franchise at this point.  Oh, well, people don't get as angry about that because they've been dead for so long now. But like, yeah, I feel like Star Wars will get there well before the movie stopped getting made. Like Disney will run this thing into a very deep grave before it's, they stop releasing movies. Well, one point I always like to make too is that Star Wars means a lot to people that grew up with it because back then that was the biggest thing. You had never seen anything like that.  You had other big effects movies. But nowadays, a lot of these other franchises are, you know, the generation Star Wars. So I think just younger people aren't gonna go turn out as much, but Disney's made an effort with the help of a lot of these like shitty news outlets to push where the people are gonna keep going. It's the exact opposite of our friend in the video.  Like- These people do. I fucking- When solo, when solo, when solo failed, I got blamed for the boycott that I never called for. Yeah, me too. Jeremy, we had this power, we had to hold it hostage and make a billion dollars. Disney passed a billion dollars and we'll go away. You got the money, you'll have no problem. A billion dollars and the taxes. Like I think you have the power to sway and influence and stuff. Like I think we all do. It's just that to kill Star Wars, to actually break it. Like I don't think anyone could do that because there's the casual audiences who have no idea we exist, you know? Geeks and gamers, who are they? It's like everybody. I have spent every week on Geeks and gamers. Yeah, like I don't know if I'm gonna say it. I know this is controversial, but I think this man might be hyperbolic. I think he may be saying things that are a little bit ridiculous. That's my take. You don't say? They love to change. They love to keep the goalposts. So when Solo failed, they're like, oh, Jeremy, there's just Geeks and gamers calling for the boycott. I'm like, I never called for a boycott. Like Brian Young wrote articles about me saying that I led the boycott. So then I made a video where I showed video evidence of me saying point blank, I'm not going to see Solo, but I support you if you wanna go see Solo. And I support you if you don't wanna go see it.  I can't tell you what to do with your money. I'm just telling you what I'm doing. And then he changed the article. He edited the article without acknowledging it. My young does. I'm sure you guys know who Brian Young is, right? Why acknowledge that? That's just, it gets in the way. So. Exactly, exactly. The message is secondary to me. Believe me, we know about that all too well. Me, Rags of Wolf. Oof. Oh, yes. And then, so of course I've dealt with being blamed for the Solo boycott all that time. And then when Captain Marvel was a success, then they were like, see Jeremy, you're not as powerful as you say.   So yeah, they constantly changed the rules. I've heard it said more often that we're like, you know, we're not relevant, go away.  I hear that more than I've ever heard these people actually think we're gonna destroy the entire front, okay?  Both of those things need to be true simultaneously for their narrative to work. So anyway, let's kick off with this beautiful video. People who love it are tearing it down with every fiber of their being. People have lost what this movie was originally meant to be. Hope. The only thing. Oh God. Describing TLJ as hope. Hope. Do you know what? You can't hate a bad movie if the theme is hope. A story that ends with the idea of hope is kind of ruined if that was the same story that plummeted everybody to the point of desperation. There's 20 people on a ship now, but have hope. Yeah, it's like, oh yeah, but they're all gonna win. It's like, you were the movie that put them all in this position of trying to reach hope.  Does anybody, yeah, there's gonna be people out there who think that TLJ is a good representation of hope. I just, it's just funny to me, because everything is. I hope the next one isn't as bad. Everything is destroyed and killed. It's like, hope, guys, you're like, yeah. Yeah, hope is an excuse for doing nothing. Oh, jeez. People have lost what this movie was originally meant to be. Hope. The only hope that exists in this fan base anymore comes from hoping that another fan doesn't ridicule you or berate you verbally. Oh no, wait, what's this video? Do you have any self-awareness? Hold on, hold on, I just wanna break this down here. So the last Jedi represents the hope that you won't be berated by somebody else in the fan base. From a video that's literally doing that. Yes, exactly. Have you guys, all right, this doesn't work? Oh my God. All right, kiddo.  Is there anything? The first world problem, dude. Oh, I was circumcised. I don't know. Like I said, it all comes back to lack of self-awareness right here. It's really what it comes down to. Lack of self-awareness, that sounds about right. We get a, we encounter that quite a bit. Another fan doesn't ridicule you or berate you verbally because you liked the movie and they didn't. There is a very toxic side to this community, a side that escapes me. They're not even dressed because we're young. I wonder how many times we're gonna hear toxic. I think we should keep a count of how many times. I don't know how many times we've heard it. We've heard it at least three or four times. I mean, yeah. At least three or four times. I can get a toxic counter running. I think we need a toxic counter. Yeah, well, you're toxic counter. What are we guessing that he's done it so far? That's a three or four. Yeah, so I think toxic is gonna be a good count. We'll go with four, all right. Enough. That you have the right. You deserve your own opinion. You have the right. Man, I have opinion. I forgot about that part of the Constitution. I think it was like the 77th Amendment. By the way, you have the right to like the last Jedi. Say if John Adams, John Adams, thank you, founding fathers are working so far ahead. The other founding fathers are like, why did you write that? He's like, trust me, just trust me. It'll be important one day. This will not come to fruition in our lifetimes, George. But I promise you that one day will be true. Yes, like a crystal ball. He's like, I've seen the future. I've seen the future of this nation. Can that be part of the lore that John Adams had to put here? John Adams was a spider. Oh my god. John Adams was a spider. Geeks and coo. Jeremy and Jeff won't know that. Whatever you hear, something from us that makes no sense at all.  So don't panic. It's fine.  So you're probably not going to get some. Oh my god. Oh my god. Beowyn, if you're in the chat, hear me out. John Adams, a spider with John Adams head. Musta wig. Please. You have to have him writing on the. Yes. A spider with the head of John Adams, writing on the Constitution that you are allowed to like the last Jedi. What happened to the fast Jedi? I hope. John, what's a Jedi? Which will become clear. If you didn't enjoy this movie. I can't stress enough that you have the right. You deserve your own. It's like a parody. Right. Like.  I haven't made a note of it yet. You have the right to like the last Jedi. That's something I will definitely say at some point. That's beautiful. Guaranteed in the Constitution. You have the right to like you can't like it. The police officer's like, excuse me, sir. You can't say that. The problem lies in the extremist fanboys and fangirls who decide that because their fantasy experience was ruined. They have the right to terrorize. Terrorize. The hyperbole continues. The hyperbole meter just takes it to another level. Can we get an Allahu Akbar for this? Gonna play that again. Make sure the audience hit it. Girls who decide that because their fantasy experience was ruined. They have the right to terrorize directors, actors, and supporting fan base. There's no evidence to support that Kelly Marie Tran was attacked or whatever they claimed to have. There's no evidence to support this. And every time you ask for evidence, they point to the article where she blames Hollywood. The worst ones that they even read it. Well, this is the thing. I actually, when I first heard it, I took it 100% truth and I was like, it means nothing.  Some people out there, I mean, just the size and scope of a fandom this size. Like, yeah, sure. Just law of averages will eventually catch up to you, but that's true with every audience. Like, why even bother? The other day, the other day I was scrolling through a Twitter thread where they were making fun of me, these people that hate me and they, you know, when I have my hat off, everybody says I have a big forehead. So they were drawing tic-tac-toe on my forehead. This is hilarious. This is fantastic. Oh, I didn't use that before.  Oh, yeah. And so now they've made a parody account, tic-tac-toe forehead Jeremy. And I'm like, this is great.  It's just, it's obvious.  Period. Point blank discussion. The internet is not, it doesn't, it doesn't, it's not racist. It's not sexist. It doesn't discriminate against anything particular.  You're not special because you have a vagina. Sorry.  That's something that's never happened. Take it to the UN right there. Respect. Respect, Whammon. Respect. A question to these radical and toxic fans. Radical.   You don't even know who we are? What do you mean you don't even know who we are? That's another toxic counter.   That you think that any of these people have to heed to your deluded demands and proclamations. What demands? Deluded demands. Deluded demands and proclamations. I don't think you know what that means. What are our demands? We don't demand anything. Deluded demands? What do you mean by that? Proclamations. They think that it's a deluded demand to demand a well-written movie. Is that too much? I guess it's too much nowadays. I love proclamations as well. Like what? Proclamations. Proclamations. Here, here, here, here. We're definitely... There's a running narrative with the John Adams stuff here. What is the other director of the Star Wars franchise making his production? I have so much less respect for John Adams now. You know, I thought he was a man of good taste, of good storytelling. So did I, but I guess John Adams is... He really likes the last Jedi. Yeah. What can you do? He's not a true fan. Nobody honestly cares about your extremely fragile sense of reality. You resist the entire video on it. Fragile sense of reality?  I mean, he's saying a lot of things like just trying to follow the narrative here. He's in his room alone. A lot of proclamations. That'll get him. That'll stick with him. That's a good line. Mom, I did a good line. Someone in the chat said no taxation without opinionation. All right. Again, I'm going to roll him back a little bit. See if we can follow this. Proclamations. Nobody honestly cares about your extremely fragile sense of reality. You reside in a severely narcissistic bubble. I've noticed how pathetic these videos and tweets actually look. Some of those are actually positive about the last Jedi, if I remember. Go back. I think my video was in that last one. We reside in a severely narcissistic bubble. We got... I'm not sure who the top one was. We got angry Joe, a hunk Marvel again. I've noticed how pathetic these videos and tweets actually look. Star Wars only. There I am at the bottom. Oh yeah, you got in there. Nice dude. You made it to the big league. You did it. Miss Anthropony got in there well, but I did. Miss Anthropony can get fucked. Look. She slaps. Me, me, me, me. I, I, I... What? Three targets down. And this is the thing. Now we know who he's talking about. It's people who didn't like the movie. They're the ones that need to be held. Remember, they're the infection. It's all about you and your overdramatic reactions to a movie. So take your extreme of warrants with anger and you spill it on some innocent person's Instagram feed or Twitter account. All because you can. Nothing holds you back from unleashing your rage on some innocent person. Why is this the narrative? Okay. Quick. Okay, mom. We are the toxic brute after all. Is everyone that didn't buy Rose Tico merchandise lumped into this? I think so. Anyone who didn't love the last Jedi is kind of lumped into this. Harassment. The character was bad, man. I'm sorry. What? Rose Tico was incredible. She was incredibly terrible. Yeah, that's what I meant. But, you know... I got him. Over the record. Awesome. I just want to say just, just so you know, I'm not toxic.  Asian porn. Anybody who says that. All the porn. All the porn that I like has a female lead in it, by the way. Because I'm all about, you know, so I'm all about women representation in porn. Just want to get that out of the way. My favorite movie is All Asians. There's no non-Asians.  No, no. My legit favorite movie ever, Masquerade, is a South African film. It's only Asians. No English. No white people. No white men. It's all Asians who don't speak English. Well, my favorite movie is The Lord of the Rings, and there's black people in it. Their orcs. What are the Uruk-hai, then? They're black, too. It's like super black. Super black. They pull them straight out of the ground. They almost won. A wise man once said, they were so preoccupied.  They were so preoccupied with weather. He spelled weather wrong. He spelled weather wrong. Didn't apostrophe. They didn't apostrophe. Oh, my God. That's the inverse of what they did with... Oh, yeah, because did apostrophe... Yeah. I know there was an air comma in here somewhere. It's very toxic for us to point these things out, by the way. This isn't bullying. Oh, yeah, disclaimer. Leave this man alone. Who made this video? If anything, post a very kind comment on his video. He clearly has enough problems in his life already. Do not add to them. Not pile on, please. I'm not even joking here. Just say, I disagree with this video. Don't go any further than that, because they'll just use it as fuel. We learn from Shinobi, okay? I wish that was the... That should be the meme. Just, I disagree with this video.  A thousand of those. And then Rhino Milk. No, don't do that, because then Shinobi would still lose his mind over it. You'd be like, Rhino Milk? Is this racism? I don't understand. No, it's not. I'm lactose intolerant. Oh, Shinobi. Yeah, so I want to also... The fucking...  And he's using this quote. It's like, they're preoccupied with whether or not they can, so they don't think about whether or not they should. It's like... I don't think this is applicable. Like, what they would do in Jurassic Park is like, this is revolutionary technology. Push, push, push, push. While you're comparing that to, I am angry. I'm going to send a message. Oh my god. You're going to find this really interesting. Whether he did... I'm positive he didn't mean to actually say this, but whether in the way that it's spelt, if you type it into Google, the first result is a castrated ram. They were so preoccupied with castrated rams.  I'm changing the quote to that. I'm going to put the ram. He accidentally did that. Never let it be said that EFAP was not educational. Absolutely. We learn so much. Infotainment at its finest. How do you put the apostrophe after the T, man? As people who know how long it takes to edit videos and all the going back and looking at what you do is like typos really. They should. You like that? That reminds me. I hate the New Jurassic World movie. Jesus. Well, listen here, Bust. You said listen here, Bust, and then cut out. Hello? Uh-oh. This is the internet down for me. I hear you.  When none of the full people respond, Hello? Okay, anyway, we'll kick on. Fallen Kingdom.   He's making a comparison. He did not like the New Jurassic World. Therefore, he's north. Oh, wait, what? Somebody's Twitter. What did he say? Oh, he's going to go.  No, no, no, I know that I was saying, but who's Twitter in particular did he say? It sounds like he made some serious gaffes on whoever's Twitter. J.A. Bay owner is the director, and then Colin Trevorrow or Trovaro is the writer. J.A. Bay owner. J.A. Bay owner. Bay owner.   Yeah, that's pretty ridiculous. Nobody has done that.  You might want to... When it's put in the context of something that you're not deeply enthralled with, I hope you understand how insane, how psychopathic this sounds. How is this... I don't think anybody needed that comparison to understand. Nobody in their right mind thinks that these people are normal or defends the things that they did. I mean, this is... It's just... It's typical. Take something that the fringe outside might do if your audience gets large enough and use that to push your narrative that this is a commonplace thing and use that to demonize everybody. Ladies. They continue to do this with this... Do you guys remember the... What is it? Down with Disney's treatment of Star Wars? Do you guys recall that? It continues to get referenced to this day. It continues. All the big articles reference it. So it was down with Disney's treatment of Star Wars. It was some account that was created on Facebook and Twitter. It had about 85 likes and whatsoever in the comments. And it was always making these... Basically it was... It seemed like someone was creating something like... Right. And so that... Those account, that account that had 85 likes or 100 likes and maybe like 50 followers on Twitter, they continue to reference that account to this day of the account that organized the The Last Jedi Hate on Rotten Tomatoes. And I'm like... That account was... It had no support whatsoever, you know. And they just continue to reference that account and give it credibility. And they just move, by the way, off social media. But this is what they do. They're not going to get that reference. My favorite game though.  It's not a game for me. It's a lifestyle. Um... Yeah, no, yeah. It's uh... I was just reading chat. Someone said like, I feel like this guy would unironically do the things he's talking about. He seems to be... He does seem a little unhinged. I don't think I've seen anybody who's this. Other than the guy in the car, I forget the name of the guy.  That was fantastic. If anyone took that and was like, see, he's a psycho. I'd be like, ah, no, he's just having fun. Jesus. Not everything comes down to that. Why are you mad? It's just a joke. Has that happened? Um... It's never... You look hard enough on the fringes of some group. I mean, if there's a million people who are fans of Star Wars, I'm sure somewhere out there, if you look hard enough, you'll find some crazy person who takes it too far. But hey, that's enough. One person.     This one comes to mind when you don't like a movie.  What? What did he just say? The mental gymnastics involved in this is unreal. Can we rewind to that?  I hope you understand how insane how psychopathic this sounds. How is this what comes to mind when you don't like a movie?  See, so when he says that in a conversation, you get up from your chair, wide-eyed, and start slowly moving away because you're like, oh, okay. Oh, you're one of those people. Yeah, you know what? Dislike it. You're like, yeah, you should take them to... I'm gonna go. I agree. I'm gonna go to the bathroom. Just a second. Stay right here. Please stay here. Don't follow me, please. I will be right back. Just you wait, Mr. Buster. Yeah, we need that stop it. Get some help clip right now. Get some help. Yeah, like, wow. He jumps to chasing a waitress down in an alleyway with a knife. Got that from saying mean things to people on social media. I literally have to poo. I'll carry on. I'll be back in a moment. One step away, Rags. One step away from chasing that waitress. There's more than that. I'm chasing that waitress.  Oh, God. I think she preferred to just die for the invite.   I'd be like... Okay, you know what? We're coming from this. We're good now. We're good. This dude is no more than Lee.  You know what I mean? Have you guys encountered stuff like this that often? He's... All the time. Especially on Twitter. On Twitter constantly. But I enjoy it. That's why I don't block people on Twitter. I do mute people after I use them and make videos based off their stupidity. I just... I treat them like hookers, basically. I just kind of use them, abuse them, and I'm done with them.  What are you saying? I'm not saying that the Internet said it, so I'm just confirming it. But...  They go through to try and... their own mind of what we are because we don't like a movie. That they seem to think that we have to like. And that we have offended them because we've told them your movie's not good. It's okay if you like your movie, but it's still not good. I've got submissions for the John Adams Spider already. Really? Yeah. I know Bayowin's... He said that we probably won't get the drawing until the next episode. Oh, that'll be... That's the opener, yeah. These are something else that's just funny. No, we can't wait. I'll drop them in the Discord chat so you guys can see the same as... So this is the first one. It will make sense later. Right, right. This one's like, kind of awesome in a way, like the style. You can like the last one. I love how it's got the wig. The wig, yeah. There you go, like a classic Photoshop style one then. Oh, boy. Oh, man. Oh, man. Oh, man. Oh, man. You're an alienable right to like... Oh, man. Oh, man. Oh, man. Oh, man. Oh, man.    So anyway, is it... Hey, I am here. I have returned. Everything went well. Did you see the spider memes? No, I was focused on... You gotta see the spider memes. Check out the chat, you'll see it. Pretty good. It will make sense later, George. Trust me. Oh, the second one. Oh, I like the last one. I like the last one. I like the little quill on his thing.  Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, wait, wait, wait. Sorry. The chat did not hear it. The chat didn't hear it yet. Hang on. It's nothing but harassment. In my last...  Sorry, cause... New terrorists are in town. They've got to hear this. I think that's an extreme comparison. It's not. These people are verbal terrorists. So, there you go. They've heard it now. There's no way... Just when you thought he couldn't go any further with the craziness, he goes crazier. Oh. Verbal terrorist. It's like a rap name. I'm the verbal terrorist. Oh, great.  It doesn't take much to earn yourself the title of verbal... You just got to dislike the last joy. Wow. It's an embarrassment. Verbal terrorists of the... What brood? It's a brood. It's a toxic brood. It's a terrible terrorist of the toxic brood. God, that's... No, it's on that one, Mahler. Oh, bro. This guy's given me way too much material. We've got a new song name for you. Yeah, just in case you don't know right. We've been running EFAP now. I think it's six months as of recently. I make an April Fools video where I basically just pretend to be all the people we cover mixed into one personality. And I create quotes based on all the things we come across over the year. So, you know, April first is going to be funny, we're up to like five consistent sentences already from this guy. It'll just...   They'll be like, someone said that. Somebody actually said that. Maybe you should just re-upload this. Real. It needs to be stopped. It's nothing but harassment. In my last Jedi defense video, I mentioned that the harassment was a bit much against Kelly Marie Tran, who plays Rose. A while ago, she deleted her Instagram posts. I, along with many others, have come to the conclusion that the assholes who harassed her went too far and joked her... How did you arrive at this point? What evidence do you have to support that? We would love for you to do so. You know, I've seen so many people say that she was harassed, and I have yet to see one bit of harassment on any of her, like, posts or whatever. It's just, yeah, it's that unfortunate moment of it happened, it happened, it happened. Everyone's saying, you should go, why do we know that? So, can you show me like a screenshot or something? No, it's silent.  I haven't even tried that. If you've already done it with Vic Miniana, they can do it to defend Kelly Marie Tran, too. You don't know the way he framed it. He's like, we came to the conclusions, and we have... proof? I have conclusive proof.  What a vivid terrorist. Off Instagram. Again, if you hate the character, I could give two shits if you do. So you do care.  So you couldn't give two shits. Yeah, Rags, you must get annoyed by that one. It's like, okay, small rant. It's like when people say... people do it wrong all the time, it's really similar to this. When they say, I couldn't care less or I could care less, right? One of those is correct. If you say, I could care less, it means you care. You mean to say, you couldn't care less, which means you do not care.  So if you're trying to say that, because that means you do care. I could care less about my parents. We're talking about a guy who unintentionally put castrated rambar. Listen, listen. Baby sex wolf. Rome wasn't built in a day. He's right. How's that for verbal terrorism? For you.  I didn't consent to having to look up weather and finding out what it really meant. That's true. He is a terrorist of some form. I could give two shits if you do, but leave the actor alone. Seriously. There's no need to waste your time commenting on their Instagram. By the way, just an obvious piece. I know we've said this on eFab before, but the people who go after, legitimately go after these people heavily, hard just because they hate the movie. You telling them not to because it's mean? They will not care.  Oh, this guy said I was toxic and evil and then I should stop. You're telling them simultaneously that they're destroying the Star Wars as a whole. I'm sure they'd actually argue that's something they'd want at this point. You're actually encouraging them. People in the chat are saying leave Brittany alone. Jesus Christ. I know people who don't know what that video is. Yeah, that's some old internet stuff, isn't it? Oh, man. Did you know in South Park, parodyed all of the most popular YouTube viral videos? Yeah. Around the same time we made that music video. Someone even said he sounds like the hellbender narration. That leave Brittany alone dude is kind of famous now, isn't he? I was so shocked to find out that was a dude. Didn't Chocolate Rain Guy make a Let's Play channel at one point? Or Twitch stream? He made a Dr. Pepper commercial. He had like a Twitch stream and he was someone in Chaska to know about this. I remember because I was on Twitch and when people like Chocolate Rain Guy is back and he's got a Twitch channel he was like, actually did really well from what I remember. I don't know if he's still going though. The internet's weird. Don't harass people guys. I've been on Twitter and insulting them to the point of leaving social media. Quite recently though she spoke out against the harassment. And her fellow actors, including Mark Hamill had her full back.  Here's why. He has often stated that he has issues with Luke's character. Even now it's a little hard for him to accept. And thanks to these videos that are taken out of context. Taking him out of context. They ain't taking him out of context. You have a consistent whole take of him explaining in detail his issue that you go little subtle context. That whole conversation. If you just rewind the clip by an additional two seconds, he says everything I'm about to say is false. There you go. I don't have the actual movies in one of the videos he's citing. Oh yeah, that's one of the false information right there guys. I like Film Gob. Next. People figured that he hated the movie. And when he publicly stated that he regrets being critical about it the toxic fans thought of him as a sellout and claimed that Disney paid off this tragic narrative. With another count. Who are these people? You're one of them rags. What do you mean? Toxic? The Count Mauler on the toxic. Wee. We're all toxic.  I noticed you didn't pick up a little. I feel like I probably missed out on a few. People are going to have to tell us how many toxics there really were because I've completely gotten about the counter at this point. Saying he regrets voicing it so did Chad. It's like yeah. So it's not that he like pulls it back he's like I shouldn't have said it. Alright Chad, whenever they say whenever this dude says toxic and we forget about it just spam toxic until we remember to do it. Yeah, toxic milk and then like a bell. We know this. Toxic milk bell, that'll work. And we'll just say something positive.  If he was paid to shut up about his negative thoughts. Say the R word? That's offensive. That's very toxic and offensive. I'm shaking right now. What R word did he use? He said the retard word. The retard word. Yeah. Did he just call people the retard? I didn't sink it. I sinked it. Guys, I got to leave the stream. I can't take this. This is a lot of toxicity right now. I understand. Yeah, I need to go and watch some Hillary Clinton videos to get replenished. You're going to survive tonight? Does somebody need to watch it? Yeah, they mentioned it in chats. I figured I should probably bring it up. You guys, I'm assuming, have seen that Mark Hamill posted a picture of him and Harrison Ford hugging and he said, what a reunion could have been. It's like, oh, T.L.J. Fads must be so upset that he did that.   Don't need it. I love the picture of the two on the bench and they're just smiling and they just look so happy to finally be done with Star Wars.   At this point, I'll take anything. It's like Disney. Make it fun like that. Yeah, I did. He was catching hell from the T.L.J. defenders when that picture was posted because I covered that. I made a video on it. Did you, Jeff? I was deep in Captain Marvel. Okay. Yeah, but that was... Yeah, that's what she said. Deep in Captain Marvel, were you? Oh. I regret everything I've ever said. Did you do that? Honestly, I already saw that there were videos for this. That's all I'm talking about. But there was a potential butt double for her. What's her double? Yeah, she got a flat butt. I would never do that. I'm sure everybody's seen the Tom Holland meme. Oh, yeah, yeah, definitely. Tom Holland got a nice butt. He's got a good butt. He's got a spider butt. He's got a... He's got a thorax on him. I'll tell you what. We've got more... more submissions for the fuck. Oh, dear. This John Adams spider thing is working out. All right, so... This first one is not actually the John Adams thing, but it's still... If you think it's an extreme comparison, I love TLC. That's Jason in the background. Jason. Jason. I follow you into your dreams.  I love these little cartoons. John, what are you doing? Just rejoice. This might not be important now, but I've seen things. I love these little... I love the cute ones, yeah. I love these adorable ones. It's so good. It's so wholesome. These are the kinds of memes that butter my bread. I love how so many people wanted to make this one. This is retarded. Who was the actor who played John Adams in the TV series years ago? Paul Giamatti? Paul Giamatti, yeah. I hope someone, if you're making one, if you put Paul Giamatti on a spider body, this will tickle my teeth in ways that I don't know if you'll be able to...  What if we got Paul Giamatti from the Amazing Spider-Man 2's head on there? How about that? I hear and decree that future generations have permission from the U.S. Constitution to like the last Jedi, and if they didn't, they're therefore guilty of perpetrating the hate-mon... hate-mongery of the toxic... of the toxic... A toxic brooch, you say, John? Oh, my God, this is turning into the next Kylo Ben. Shit in the first place. I'll be honest. When I first heard Mark Hamill say... I told Ryan, I fundamentally disagree with him.  There's like 20 different takes of him ripping into what they did with Luke. The idea that it's some kind of random thought and we're framing it wrong, it's like, come on. I love this interviewer just smiling at him, like, oh, that sounds really... Experienced someone promoting a movie and actually slamming it at the same time. Look at this full frame of Mark, he looks like he lost his mind as that compute. There's that famous one, isn't there, where it's like him and Ryan Johnson and Mark just looks soulless, like he's been killed. Yeah. We can't give the fans what they want. We've got to tell our own story. Big concern, but when I saw the film, I didn't see it the way he did. I thought it was interesting how they handled Luke, but I saw where he was coming from. Oh, that's toxic, pretty toxic, my dude.  It was interesting how they destroyed him entirely. That's something that could pique your interest. Yeah, I was interested. It's time for the Jedi. They weathered Luke to end. Why? Also, he'd often speak his opinions on Trump and he's pretty much against it. What does that have to do with anything? I don't care about that. There it is. I don't care about that. I literally do not care two shits. Wait, was there a toxic? Did I miss that? It probably was. If everyone's ringing the bell, I'm going to have to do it. Okay. It's toxic. Milkabelle. I'm sorry, where did that come from? I'm rolling that back a bit. The end. He doesn't speak his opinions on Trump and he's pretty much against him. Okay. What does that have to do with anything? I'm curious. I'm assuming he's going to pay that off somehow. He earns a man bad. He just disagreed. Now it's a little rougher than that. He'd probably be someone in Jabba's Palace, that's for sure. But all the assholes in the comments section are like He just earned himself an unfollow. Get out of politics. If you could stop being political, that'd be cool. I don't know what to do with anything. It happens to everybody. I'm curious what the point of this is, even. Yeah. They always have to bring Trump into this, no matter what. Yeah, we got our Trump quota for the video. We talked about Donald Trump in the Star Wars video. We did it, guys. It was 11. This is why I made videos in the past which people have recently gotten mad, complained about it. I think I made a video a few months ago where I said, Donald Trump will make Star Wars great again.    This is a classic example. There's really no reason to bring Trump into this at all. Do you guys know about the Quinton Reviews one? The famous one? Where he's reviewing Logan Paul's movie and then he just randomly goes on a one-minute Trump rant? Out of nowhere. He's just like, hate Trump just randomly out of nowhere. It's like, way worse. Oh. I didn't know about that. Mark, stick to acting. You're good at that. Politics, not so much.  I'm sure there's a lot of common saying, Mark, you're so on point with what you just said. Yeah, I don't get it. Mark, I'd love to hear more of your opinions on politics. Well, since he's in the business of screen sharing, why don't we get some of those screen shares of Kelly Marie Tran being harassed on it? Oh, it's right. They don't exist. Sorry. Sorry. We had enough time to get these screen caps, but those screen caps, we ran out of data on our RAM plan. I mean, I'm sure we're about to find out the relevance of this, right? Surely. Yeah, it's all gonna come together. It's not like full. Guess what? No one cares. You can complain, oh, you'd like, but he's your president. Can you please stop talking about politics?  I love you, man, but please stop. It's annoying.  How many screenshots is he going to share? I think at the good, he's done. And then maybe just maybe we can make America great. Dear Mark, maybe instead of worrying about Trump, we should focus on dark energy on invigorating the dying Star Wars franchise. Look what you're shooting. That's what Blue Dragon just said. Shows no proof of one thing, but can take time to prove proof of something unrelated to the movie. It's like, yeah, it is. Yeah, okay. I guess. Dear Dark. Honestly, there is really no point of just typing comments to telling Mark Hamill this. What was the point of that? What was the point of the Trump brand? It's his opinion. It's his Instagram, and he can post whatever he wants. Pause it real quick. So doesn't this just invalidate his entire video? Because if he'll go to those lengths to defend Mark Hamill's opinions, people that don't like The Last Jedi, there we go. Isn't that the same argument that we're talking about? Well, the problem is the way he's framing it. Oh, no, because we're part of the toxic group. He's lumped us in. Like Amazing Lucas is one of the examples he's throwing in with people who like verbally harassed cast and crew. We just all get lumped in. So if you said to him, I thought I wasn't allowed to like The Last Jedi. He'd be like, no, that's fine. It's when you harass them. He'd be like, I don't do that. Yeah, I feel like we won't make the point. Same thing happened to Daisy Ridley. Before she left social media, she posted a video recording a protest march against gun violence. Man, she doesn't even close her mouth in professional. Honestly, if you don't agree with celebrities and their opinions on politics that much, don't follow them and don't waste your time commenting against them. I'm still so confused. The writer and director of The Last Jedi, Ryan Johnson, or as the haters let to call him, really, Johnson? Call him Ryan. I like how much it bothers him when he was like, I could have given two sheds. Like, apparently. Apparently. You sound invested in this.   Does he think the reverse doesn't happen when people go, The Last Jedi is amazing.  There's annoying people everywhere, turns out. We're in Star Wars! Oh, and he also received death threats. I like how people yell in their videos. Anybody here not received a death threat? Oh, I get it. Every other day. Where's the video made about us that's like leave them alone?  Oh, because the brood's coming for us. His first big budget blockbuster. He did the best he could with it. It was a whole new life. Wait, wait. He made Looper. He made Looper. Yes, he could do it.  Dude, it's funny though, because it's like, Oh God, that was his best. First draft. There's nothing he could have done, guys. There's nothing he could have done. He couldn't have just not used his first draft.  He goes, I'm sorry, a second what? What is that? Like a draft. Yeah, the first draft. He's like, that's not how movies are made. Movie trigger you this much.  It's all the words, Jeremy. We triggered boys. Uh, Jeff. What? I can't hear anybody. I can't hear you. Hello? You cut out, Jeff, for me. Oh, our poor Lo. I just got out. Yeah, for me. I don't hear Jeff at all. Hear me now? We can hear you. Rip Jeff. The toxic milk bell, Jeff. I'm here. Yeah. Yeah. Ray. He can't hear us, but we can hear him now. This is, this is, this is weird. You guys perfectly. Oh, it seems like a slightly delayed. You. You often say something to Jeremy. We missed. This guy's hitting every buzzword. Now he's hitting. Yes, he is. Yes, he is. And then he's getting himself mad. Which is great. I'm a little scared. I'm gonna abandon this. And then I'm in this. Someone said toxic brew down. These fans would put into harassing and actor or filmmaker out of pure hatred.  Oh, boy. The anger. Yeah, the three people out there who did this. Yeah, I got it.