Thank you for staying with us. You're still watching The Breakfast on Plus TV Africa right now It's time for our hot topic and this talks about Ninggy and what's happening in the Senate. So our hot topic says we call Ninggy immediately Serap tells Acquabio and joining us to have a conversation is Kola Wali Uluwa Dari. He's a deputy director Serap. Good morning Kola Wali. Thank you for joining us Good morning. Thank you for having me. Lovely. Okay, so we've seen what has happened in the Senate over the past week from the suspension of Senate of the senator Ninggy to the budget padding of about according to him about 3.7 because the initial budget he says was 25 trillion Naira However, the federal government has come out to say no the initial budget was about 27 0.8 or so trillion Naira, so 27.9 there about and it's not 25 according to Ninggy So we're seeing all of this and I mean you are from Serap. You're the deputy director of Serap I want to just get your thoughts on all of this how it even started and what was your initial reaction To all of this when you're hearing of budget padding like how do we have one budget? Being approved and signed and then you're seeing another one being implemented Thank you very much. It's going to need to be able to get beyond the Controversial value of this subject and look at the account of review aspects Put in the 10 to 15 of course and the ultimate big things in mind What's that it's not Ninggy is saying is that The orders as it were contains items that need not be there. It doesn't mean we have two orders So that is a prayer that is the reason why you've got taking this position of writing to the Senate president asking the Senate presidents to refer these allegations because they remain allegations as as far as Criminality is concerned to the ICAC and the FCC to investigate these allegations and perhaps even individuals And then they would face them on that would also mean a recovery of any forms that either this post or plans to be Disposed and that is the least the National Assembly can do in this instance That was a bit of clarity for context The proposed budget by the second in the National Assembly was just a bit above 27 trillion 2725 actually making it 28 trillion But there is an aspect of the budget called the GOE's which is government under the process which by practice Government has always avoided a breakdown of the budget of the GOE's So the part we just have a budget of 2024 they are professional arts If you can get that on the website of the budget office of the Federation is just one it is 28 trillion But the segment for the government with enterprises was not initially published In fact, what you have published presently is the proposed budgets of common good as the enterprises Which amounts to over just three billion. So when you put the 25 billion and the three trillion together you have 28 2 trillion or so that is the budget They may be there are two issues but that we need to highlight is the opacity in the nature of the budget and what is The so now intervention projects which is called consensus projects Those two issues are distinct for the form what we've seen as a budget money Sports is not in your freedom. In fact, so I'm going to call in 2017 and just this interest Well, maybe so the Fed right not me goes and see them was actually judgment in favor of syrup in 2018 Compendent the president there a present worry to investigate and make sure that those who are found coming with something We're doing a presently actually well coming with budget money at that time she will face the law because government is not enforced that Now to the two issues I mentioned the Intervention project and your policy in the budget in the budget process What we call sooner intervention projects is what is also called successive projects, which is Unlawful there is no law that allows Legislatures to propose an incest projects really the three answer government and this is a clear that is what the principle of separation of balance Of course checks and balances comes in some way between but the legislators job is primary to make us when the executive's job is And both of these to propose the budget and implement it and for the good This national assembly in certain more than 7,000 projects in the 2024 but in fact it was seven thousand four hundred and four hundred and forty two projects It's not alarming the southern call the question if the executive are proposed And I'm pretty happy but in that they are in their own wisdom Tell them the budget of the new home and then a national assembly review the budget is as part of that And the duties in certain more than seven thousand projects. How does that fit into the plan of the president? So we care of whatever that means It is That's certainly as powers to review the budget also But why would they insert more than seven thousand produce? Segregates the background and improves budget in national assembly The executive and you are not in one hundred billion everything for what is called sooner intervention for this witness a Expedition of love, but the national assembly work at home two trillions On the on sooner intervention for this now what is more alarming which I think the engineer should be interested in is that Most of these are locations to ministry department agencies I even am created to engage that don't have the technical expertise to carry on this job For instance, what's the business of the minister of a great a constructive roots of binding was in leco states And all this is I have a budget which is I might be asked these kind of conversations they operate in It's not to be political. It's not to divide legends But we're calling Nigerians to be part of this toughness process We're talking about is on the website of the budget office of information I invite every major to download this budget and check it line by line, of course It's more than 1000 pages, but you can see these things I'm talking about and that would bring up the question whether that's budget padding or not Why would the national assembly insert more than seven thousand projects in the budget? Now why are these projects inserted in ministries that we do not have the computers to carry out these actions? Ultimately, these are the ones of the angels to be used to our common These will not do the angels any good. And ultimately we all become victims of we the Mavicens they call sweet is showing itself clearly now in the budget process All right, so you talked about the project I mean, I would definitely want to read up what the budget is like and Seeing all of these lines that you're talking about. So if we're seeing 7000 projects, I want to believe, you know It's for the good of Nigerians But do you think it's even a way to cut costs because currently economically we're not really doing good We're not in the best position. And I think, you know, the economic analysts will say that So are we not supposed to be trying ways to, you know, even cut costs then padding up or adding more things with this government-owned Enterprises and the projects that they're putting That we still don't have an idea about because like you said, why would the Ministry of Agriculture be trying to do roads and bus? That should be maybe Ministry of Works and all but obviously everybody's just trying to get things to say Okay, I have this project. I have that and looking for ways to put money So students in this whole thing called governance students are politicians the senators the president and you know Even the governance students will be finding ways to actually cut costs Especially when it comes to our budget instead of adding all of these projects that they probably even know nothing about or it's not connected to their own ministries So that is the question Nigerians should be asking and we gain just for context The capital expenditure of the Ministry of Agriculture was just over 300 billion era, specifically 332 billion era By the time the National Assembly has inserted projects, they are more than 90 billion era But then just like the question you have asked where are we getting the money to pursue this projects number one number two Are these projects really necessary and do they fit into the overall plan of the government being led by the president? To ensure that Nigerians get the benefits of good governance that he has done to renew No, I'm just what's the question why this sign this bucket into law going the various inflations that would impede the Implementing the budget according to the plan he has that's what makes the president Policies in a way, but often making will the Nigerian people are the victims of big practice Zona intervention with the should be discontinued which also found the basic of our request in the national system That has president and Senate leadership to make a commitment to continue this practice It simply allows the corruption even if it's not corrupt in itself It's a colleges and Alaska show and then Signing projects to me this is not to know that the confidence to do the most She's also an indication of corruption and that as you have been to and I do totally agree That's what we do not have this to not this to pursue to implement this point the body that is almost a 9 trillion We do not have the Thoughts to implement this but if we have to go so why are we spending so much or necessary and wastefully in the midst of poverty? more than 80 million 180 million Indians are still Does this administration have any plans to leave this in the world of a poverty? What is the correlation of this several thousand witness to lift in a chance of a poverty that is the question We need to get beyond the politics the rather political semantics going on in the national assembly Did not against other party videos that feel a grip about them now they're not just your share The issue is about accountability Right the involvement of people in the government's most a very critical part that I should quickly mention is When this operation view was being considered was there a public hearing the Nigerians have the opportunity to weigh in They gave us see the budget lines at the time it was been discussed at the national assembly to be able to point out What should be and what not these are all that have allowed this system go on for too long and you really should small Now you should stop Well, so talking about projects something that I just remembered was the fact that the FCT minister About a few weeks ago. I'd come out to say he wanted to build the largest Waterpark in Africa. I don't know if you saw that news and to me it was a little bit ridiculous because I said Is this what we really need at this point? I mean people are looking for how to feed people are just looking for how to get by and Your own pet project is probably a waterpark. I understand if you're saying you want to use it for tourism Which is great. I mean that's supposed to get revenue for the country But then do we even have the security to ask people to come in so just thinking about the projects It's just almost like I see it as misplaced priorities sometimes with all of these projects that they try to To bring up but then my question now is if we think that we have so much money, right? Or maybe sometimes maybe they might be tone-deaf. They don't know what's going in the country They don't know people are suffering. How are we supposed to fund all of this? And there is a little report that says an average Nigerian Oals about three thousand dollars money that I haven't seen I'm probably owing because when you think about when you think about our debt profile it's So much and so every single day they come up with this money is that they want to do this They want to do that and then we have to probably borrow again, but let's just bring it back to Ninghi's suspension Some people would argue and say that Ninghi said the right thing But he said it at the wrong time or he said it in a wrong way. Do you agree with that? I do not agree with that. And that was said earlier that we need to get beyond the politics Which is the tribal leaders in the snow And I want you to look at this for the governance and accountability perspective Which is how every Nigerian should look at it. So commonwealth and these are things that we use for our food and governance And so it goes beyond the motive of Senator Ninghi The whisperer policy that Nigerian presently uses because of course we do not have a substantive whistleblower and noble Of course, consider Senator Ninghi's Question is this Has he made allegations of corruption? Yes Has he also mentioned names and mentioned specific years he has So the government can do and in this instance The government will be the leadership of national assembly means to invite other government agencies to look at the allegations he has made So of course ICPC and he has been doing a job and he did not think or they could not see any wrong thing So that's basically but He is a whistleblower that has made allegations of corruption that should be investigated and also under the context We also know that this is not the first time this issue that he is coming up Which is why the leadership of national assembly rather than the act of suspending Ninghi or Nigerians reacting to say that Ninghi had done the right thing in the wrong way He seemed to be a serious litigation sitting investigated either by a national assembly or by actual companies is the answer to no So why do we want to stop you from? exposing corruption as well But in an administration that sees ideas fighting corruption It's so it is not about how he has done it when he did it or where he is for it is about what he has said And that's why I say that even the laws consider Senator Ninghi in this instance as a whistleblower The article 33 of the United Nations Convention against Corruption By the main mandates Nigerians as a steed party to ensure that we lack all the processes that protect and promote people coming forward to Blow the wish for last operation which was a little needy at all So act to that is a fact this suspension as the pride people is Representing of the right to have someone in the national assembly who will represent it Well, it goes against the basics the basis of having there that someone in the system is the actions of the digital is not right And it's something that should be condemned by all Nigerians So with him being suspended would you now say that obviously because he has blown the whistle You know opening this kind of warms that is going on in the national assembly They're just trying to push him out and say, you know what you are a bad egg to us Do you think that's what's happening and they're just trying to punish him for doing the right thing? Well, maybe because they are all they're all in it together, so they definitely know that that's what's going on So they're not looking at it not because they don't know they're not looking at it because they don't want it exposed Which is why I might be that this is the public domain now and again as I'm talking about this The IACPC and the FCC and the government itself of course is working with drama that is a fall in national assembly Which is why they should step in in the letter when we wrote in national assembly we've also copied the IACPC and the FCC The president at the Art of the Journal of the Federation They should be able to step in to do their investigation just because corruption has been alleged in national assembly does not recruit The IACPC and the FCC for me persecuting these allegations and making sure that they get a group of it So yes, the national assembly and Joe is not interested in investigating this issue Anticorruption agencies and the president as the head of government should be able to authorize an investigation to ensure that the engineers That we understand what is going on and that you play the windows and company boom they should face a lot Importantly that these funds that would otherwise have been wasted or stolen and Divided to put us that would benefit nature else who are ultimately presently assistance the victims of Lisa of this robbery Okay, so where do we go from here? I know you're big on accountability. I mean that's what syrup stands for being accountable and as of right now I think there is a trust deficit between the Nigerian citizens and the government Right, so you would expect some form of Transparency with the government to say, okay, you know what this is exactly what it is This is what we want to use this money for even if you have to borrow because some people will tell you that borrowing is good But as long as you're borrowing for the right reasons, you're not borrowing to just be frivolous You're not borrowing to spend ridiculously You're borrowing to ensure that okay, you're doing the right thing You can make more money and pay the debt, but in this case we're seeing that year in year out We keep borrowing every single time and we're unable to even pay our debts So what is the way forward now? How does how can the government start to build that trust with his people? Thank you very much. I would rather talk to you As the same as we're having this conversation with government Government government is not one foreign body that we do not know. We know the government We know what we refer to as promise It starts with a present and it ends with the least public officer in any public institution in Nigeria Including those who are elected or appointed, it includes everybody in public office They have taken a vote of office that clearly states what they should do and what they shouldn't do We have full of conduct in the constitution that clearly describes how each public officer should do his or her job These things they know I think what is important now is for the people to understand their role Citizens that our role does not start and end every four years in the election cycle It's usually all cycle elections, but when we can't survive Our role as citizens by defending governance continues. It doesn't stop for one day We need to hold those in government accounting Two things about how they use public forms and the powers that they have and now transparent the processes Which is why it's not so important what the vote of any government official is Now accountability means you're able to explain to the people what's the process Now the people involved in the budget process in instance in the 2020 immigration act The answer to say no That's just wrong. The people should have been involved at the public hearing stage in the national assembly What about the implementation of the budget itself? Now the people involved were sure that the whole public officers are accountable throughout the MPAs and great implement the processes Over the years, Nigerians are not done enough of that. And it's like organizations like this Sarah They need not in this regard to make sure that Nigerians find space So why are they preaching to the quiet as it were talking to government which they've been doing Which of course forms the basis of the algorithm we do from time to time That is I need to engage so that they understand the importance Of holding compared to account And that all compared to account is not about being political. It's not about the political language That's what we do in your tribe when you really don't know who you like or you don't like No, it is about the commonwealth and the benefit of holding able to account Which is why conversations like this very important If you guys in the media are being the best you can Nigerians must be informed beyond the rather mundane issues of tribe politics or where Niki is from or what you are saying Oh, that's not important This is wrong. The point that process is not transparent These monies are being grouped with that ultimately they are implemented But Nigerians need to be able to speak out to ensure that they're right in the store But if we do that because you've seen cases in the past for instance Sarah comes all the time and I know you guys are always slamming lawsuits Here and there this is just me being making light of the situation if we do that most times, you know, it falls onto the ground Most times nothing is being done So how can we start to even seize our power because obviously the office of the citizen should have some form of supremacy But we live in a country whereby you say all of these things you talk about it And sometimes people are there to just bring you down because you're talking against the government So how can we start to wield? The power that we have to ensure that they have no choice to listen to us and make sure that things are being done the right way It's a continuous process Each thing we have not afford to give up The Seraph is just a group of Nigerians who have come together since 2004 to ensure that the writing is done So we're not enough of citizens who do not even incorporate this with the organizations and are doing so much more wonderful Even much more than seraph We need to empower these people and we need to get more people but it is not a spring unfortunately It's a moral we need to continue But much more importantly which is why discussions like these are The citizens need to understand that they are right-golders They have the right to ensure that those in public offices who we call the digital bearers Or it gives it to them to use the power in favor of people that's the reason of social contraction It is it is one thing for the people to know they have this problem It is another thing to be able to use it objectively and not subject So not because the person is on the north of south or belongs in particular try or perhaps is He will be is he or she is of the same religious knock as we are People need to know that customs is covenants and restrictions and immigration Transmissions and accountability We go beyond all these basic sentiments which is why we need to continue these kind of conversations It is advocacy that is aimed But educated citizens learning and not learning what they've learned to buy a lot of years And learning what they ought to do Sometime putting the quote to the choir as I've said telling government officials what they should do Not because perhaps you do not know what to remind them of what they should do in the interest of people So really it's not something that's probably going to happen in the day And we cannot afford to give up which is why like seraph Nigerians citizens need to have that resilience To continue to own government accounts Residents and the administration wants Nigerians to be resilient in bearing with the economy But much more importantly beyond that Nigerians need to have that resilience to continue to engage And demand accountability Without feeling either Cheated or without even feeling like The real standard has been political. It's all part of the governance processes We cannot see that Okay, so bringing it back to senator Ninghi's suspension and seraph has called for him to be reinstated Right, because I think it's a three month suspension there about do you think this would happen? And if they don't reinstate him, what is seraph going to do about that? And here we need to separate seraph From the citizens. We have started this initiative as a group of citizens. We have started this Nigerians are talking about it's not on the seraph Because we have the right just like every Nigerian to go to court to enforce the right that we are That is clearly shown in section six of the constitution Which advises judiciary to be the final avatar to determine what's right and what's the duties and obligations of citizens These are these and governments and citizens and government officials We go to court to do the right to Compel the government to do the right thing if they do not in this call But more importantly, citizens need to take up this advocacy and press it all And one in the nation assembly Send the president represents a consensus in Nigeria where they represent thousands or perhaps millions of people And bring the weight of their voices to care of this. So it's really about seraph It's about people understanding the issues and continue to talk and engage with governments So I can imagine if more than 70 million Nigerians rise up Which forms perhaps less than 40 percent of the Nigerian population And demand that every one in the national assembly was told the line of this advocacy to get sent into an inhuman state Spend down in the green jive. That's what they can be calling the other powers to do so That is why we need to continue this conversation We go to court of course to answer your question in the simplest terms if this call is not dead But more importantly Nigerians need to press it all to ensure that those national assembly are doing the will of the people So if it's going to be reinstated here is my worry with things like this that has happened Do you think there might be some form of witch-hunting? Because now all eyes are on him So obviously some of his colleagues who are not happy with what he has done Will start to find ways to just frustrate him out of this. So what do you think is going to be that the You know the preceding events that might even happen for us and it's a ningy As more than I don't want to make this about personalities and persons they're about to be used And Senegaline here is a you can explain politician. He has been a nationalist since 1989 So I might address is that he knows how to take care of himself But what's very important because the whistleblower has recognized like the all crack convention Which is like The president needs to comment he needs to be able to protect him as it were Some the consequences of what he has done as a whistleblower, but what we're going to do those allegations need To be investigated. So I'm sure that He will find a way to protect himself or whatever backlash it is And of course the engineers and pay organizations like Sarah by there to also ensure we that When it is restated he's also protected within the context of the whistleblower policy that we have in nature Which is why this is another reason why the president must also move to sign the whistleblower bill The former president did not sign it and this national assembly also passed the law To create a robust framework for people to call out corruption to ensure that they are protected Perhaps he gives a little legal inventors to champion the bill now in the house to ensure that it is passed Perhaps yeah Perhaps I mean that might just happen and hopefully he does because I I would say that I think that was A very bold move not everybody can have some form of integrity Especially when you're dealing with other people like I mean There are other people involved and sometimes you might get scared But I think it was a very bold mode for him to come out and say, you know This is not what was signed or this is not what we had discussed earlier There's something fishy here. Um, and I just hope that you know, he gets reinstated with syrup calling for his For him to be reinstated and even other Nigerians as well And I really hope the Nigerians, you know come up and we start to Bring our voices together because we're louder when we speak together as one So, um, but yes, we want to say thank you for coming. It's always a pleasure having a conversation with you. Thank you so much All right Okay, we've been sticking with Kola Wale Oluwadare. He's the deputy director for syrup And we've been talking about what's going on in the national assembly Well, since he is representative syrup, um, or syrup as we call as acts rather the senate to record ningi immediately Back to the house of assembly. But yes, this is where we have to draw the court in on the show today It's been amazing having the breakfast with you. My name is rome paul sin. I'll see you again tomorrow Have a good day


Welcome back everyone. We will continue with the next chapter here which is chapter 15 and it talks about interceding for the lost so far we are talking about praying for others. Now very specifically how to pray for people who don't know the Lord Jesus Christ is what we are saying. So those who are lost means those who are not yet saved or those who have not received salvation. So what is the appropriate way of praying for such people? A few things which we have to understand when we are praying for people who don't believe is there is a role which Satan plays in keeping them away from the knowledge of God. So we are saying that there is an interference of the enemy which is not letting people know and understand the gospel of the Lord Jesus Christ. So there is a spiritual interference and so when we pray for people who don't know Christ one is yes we have to pray and say Lord I pray let them come to know you let them be saved let them be delivered from the works of the devil all that we can pray for them but that won't be sufficient because we know that there is an active interference of Satan and his demonic powers in keeping people captivated under their works or their influence. So one is we have to pray second is what we call as spiritual warfare okay spiritual warfare. Now when we talk about interceding for the lost we may think only about our family members or you know people who whom we love who are close to us. But we can use these same principles for cities for nations for communities because there are a lot of people who don't know Christ isn't it and the Bible says that Satan will want to keep them under his own influence. So everything that we learned in this chapter can be applied for not just individuals whom we love but others you know people in our city people in our nation so on and so forth. So here are a couple of things that we can recognize about the influence of Satan it is all here in our notes in chapter 16. So Satan he hinders salvation he hinders the work of salvation. Second Corinthians 4 verses 3 and 4 would somebody be able to read this passage for us. Second Corinthians 4 verses 3 and 4 one second run we'll have to use the mic so please could you yeah you can read it into the mic please. But even if our gospel is veiled it is veiled to those who are perishing whose minds the God of this age has blinded who do not believe less delight of the gospel of the glory of Christ who is the image of God should shine on them. Okay so you notice there that what has happened to the eyes of unbelievers they have been blinded okay so blinded or there is a veil over their eyes which is caused by demonic powers. So even if you know sometimes we can preach very good we can we can sing we can have the best program we can be very friendly we can you know be approachable all that we do everything in our strength to minister to people but still they're not able to perceive God's love. They're not able to understand who is this Jesus why is it so important you know that Jesus died for us he brought us forgiveness I don't believe it. Because the Bible says that what does Satan do he blinds he veils their eyes so that they are not able to see it they're not able to perceive it. So you know there are many other scriptures here as well I'm not gonna you know touch on each of them just so we can go a little faster but please do study each of them and you know you will understand that he blinds the minds of people with deception.  What I don't understand because there is blindness spiritual blindness which is caused by Satan. Okay let's move on we also see that Satan tries to keep people in spiritual prisons. Okay or he captures them in maybe a kind of thinking or some habits or you know some lifestyle some behavior he keeps them bound and that's why we are using the term prison. It's not a literal prison but they are bound to a certain lifestyle a thinking pattern they're not able to break out of it. Okay so let's read Ephesians 2 and verse 2 Ephesians 2 and verse 2 please yeah Prince you can take the mic please yeah take it and read fast fast we're trying to save time. In which you used to live when you followed the ways of this world and of the rulers of the kingdom of the air this spirit who is now at work in those who are disobedient. Yeah so you see the spirit which is at work it says among those who are disobedient. So he's referring to the people who don't yet know Christ who are disobedient to the things of God but why are they disobedient. It says there is a spirit at work in them meaning there is influence of demonic powers which keeps people away from God. Okay we will study more when we talk about you know praying for regions and praying for communities sometimes we see certain kind of strongholds. Maybe it's alcohol maybe it's you know some kind of a lustful lifestyle but you see that in general you know people are bound by these things they're not able to break free. They're not able to break free but our understanding from the scriptures is that there is a spirit at work and it's not the Holy Spirit because what did Jesus say the Holy Spirit will come he will glorify me. So the work of the Holy Spirit is to glorify Jesus whenever there is a gift of the Spirit manifestation of the gift of the Spirit or we are saying oh we are doing this by the Holy Spirit what will the Holy Spirit do? Honor God always honor God will never dishonor God or never dishonor Jesus but what will the worldly spirit or you know the demonic spirits do they will never glorify God.  So we see in scripture that Satan and his spirits are at work which keep people at least in this one verse we notice disobedience. They are disobedient God because they are being influenced by demonic spirits. Maybe we can read one more passage 1 John 5 19 Prince you can only read it since Mike is there. First episode of John chapter 5 verse 19. We know that we are children of God and that the whole world is under the control of the evil one. See so clear even Apostle John is saying we are the children of God but the whole world is what under the influence of the evil one. So we have to pray yes but we also have to battle otherwise it's not going to be easy to bring out the so called prisoners. So whenever we want to minister salvation to people there is an aspect of what we know as spiritual warfare because Satan will resist it. The demons will resist it. We want to go do outreach it won't be easy and I am not saying to scare us that it won't be easy. No actually if you are a believer or if you are here on the earth I think it is easy because there is an active enemy which we all have. We should just not read too much into it. All we need to know is we are victorious because of the cross and we have to enforce our victory and keep moving forward. So yes there is an enemy he will try to oppose which is a known fact but we need to learn how to engage with the enemy and take our victory. So especially when we talk about salvation we see that there is spiritual blindness. There is the spirit of this world influencing or at work. So we would notice all kinds of immorality, sinful deeds, social evils like prostitution, corruption, trafficking. And you wonder how can people be like this. How is it they are so numb they are so like their hearts are like stone they can't sense anything they just get into evil stuff. But you see it is not just them there are demonic spirits which influence violence mob violence. And you are thinking how can so many people beat up, thrash up mercilessly, helpless people but it is not just them. You see there is a God of this world, small g, God of this world and the influence of the demonic spirits which we have to fight against. But the good news is that the cross is already won the victory. And believers need to know this and believers know this we will be able to dominate the influences, the demonic forces in the world. Now let's also recognize that I was saying that Satan will try to hinder. In 1st Thessalonians 2 18 Paul says he says you know I wanted to come to you I wanted to do this but Satan opposed us. Satan hindered us. So it's understood if somebody's kingdom is going to be taken over they will resist it. So Satan will oppose when we you know especially we fight for souls in the spiritual realm. So we are saying that when it comes to praying for souls lost people those who are not saved we need to pray but we also need to engage in spiritual warfare. So the Bible reminds us that though people are enslaved by the enemy the church the church is who? Church is a building? Church is a people right? So church is me, church is you. So you and I. The Bible says that our responsibility is to arise and shine and we have been given the authority to set these prisoners free not in our own strength but because of what Jesus has done on the cross. Okay so there are again you know many passages that talk about it where you know Jesus said in Matthew 16 remember he said I give you the keys of the kingdom. I give you the keys of the kingdom you can bind you can lose you can use the authority and yes Satan is doing all these things but you can overcome. You can release the kingdom of God over the lives of people because as a believer as the church we carry the authority. The kingdom of God suffers violence and the violent take it by force. So as believers especially when it comes to the salvation of people we have to be violent not in a negative sense in a positive sense where you know how Paul wrote when I hear that someone stumbled I get angry he says. So in a spiritual man when we see the wrong things we do get upset how can Satan do this? How can these demonic spirits do this? No it's not correct. Now we have to release the kingdom of God which is much greater than any demonic kingdom in the name of Jesus over the people and you know we have to see these people set free. So that kind of a violence it's a good violence where we are upset with the wrong things of the devil and you know we are intentional about bringing back all these people who are captured under the influence of the devil. So that kind of violence the violent take it by force. So as believers there is that element of you know forceful reclaiming of what belongs to God. You know what belongs to the kingdom of God. So that attitude we need to have and when we are talking about the lost yes pray for them. When I said pray we said right you petition God said Dear Lord Heavenly Father we pray let these people be saved that's fine but that's not all we will have to go into spiritual warfare mode because we are fighting against the enemy and we've already been given the authority. Okay so it's a forceful kind of a praying that we have to come into in 2nd Corinthians 10 verses 3 through 4 you know the Bible also 3 through 6 the Bible also said that we must cast down every thought that exalts itself against the knowledge of God. So there are many thoughts out there in the world which are also influenced by demonic spirits in you know many a time they will not acknowledge Jesus they will not acknowledge that Jesus is the son of God they will not acknowledge that the cross is the finished work. All these thoughts which you know are put in people like you know when you read the book of Acts you will see Paul goes to different places why am I always saying acts acts because I am teaching the subject acts you know so when you are reading that those things come to your mind first that's the reason. So you see that he goes to different places in every city there is a different understanding you know some people believe that God's become humans where did they get the idea from okay every thought that exalts itself against the knowledge of God. Okay some people believe you know when he goes to Athens some people believe that pleasure is everything you know life is life that's all you live to enjoy and then life is just once where did they get that thought it does not glorify Jesus. Every thought that exalts itself against the knowledge of God there are some other people they believe that life came through a single spark something. Where did these thoughts come from these are all thoughts against the knowledge of God then he goes to Corinth there they believe in some other God then he goes to Ephesus there they believe in some other philosophy so you see there are so many different things that are against the knowledge of God. Okay but the Bible says God has given us weapons for the weapons of our warfare are not carmel but they are mighty through God okay for the pulling down of strongholds. So these thoughts these ideologies and the things that Satan comes up with with a normal approach we cannot deal with it but we need spiritual weapons. What are spiritual weapons word of God Holy Spirit the blood of Jesus right then what else all the the armor that we have the name of Jesus we have so many weapons which have been given to us. We use these weapons against any thought that is against the use the weapons so I want to remind us though we are saying that we have an active enemy believers are not supposed to run. You know sometimes what happens believers think oh my goodness I never knew all this demonic influence I'm so scared. No I can't you know I'll just be quiet. No but the Bible is also teaching us we have the armor of God why do you want to be afraid right Jesus has won the victory on the cross. So should you be running or should the devil be running. Okay so even though it came with the slight pause delay lag it came the answer the devil should be running. Okay we should not be afraid we have the victory we have the weapons we have the authority only thing is we are not using it we don't know that we can use it. But now just reminding us that we can use the weapons of our warfare. No you can't fight the devil with the with the stick and a gun. Okay devil get away I have a gun he'd be like I don't care. Our weapons are not the human weapons and Satan is not scared of those weapons but spiritual weapons when you begin to declare the word of God. When you begin to declare what the blood of Jesus has done right he can't stand it he will have to run. Okay so use spiritual weapons against the enemy and I want to remind us you know the Bible says that Jesus Christ has won victory over demonic powers on the cross 2000 years ago. Okay so this has to be very clear in our minds we already have the victory can somebody read Colossians chapter 2 verses 14 and 15. Colossians 2 verses 14 and 15. Okay whoever is reading it please use the mic please use the mic. Having wiped out handwriting of requirements that was against us which was contrary to us and he has taken it out of the way having nailed it to the cross. Having disarmed principalities and bars he made a public spectacle of them trampling over them in it. Wow see so much of language that is used is so is victorious isn't it disarmed. Disarmed means the enemy soldiers don't have any armor they are disarmed make a public spectacle is to completely put them down then triumphing over them. All this is language which is telling us that when Jesus hung on the cross Satan was defeated badly. Okay to put it in the simplest language. Terrible defeat and sometimes you have your cricket matches right if somebody gets 300 400 the other team gets only 50 and they are just balled out. And you're like what is this defeat it's terrible defeat if you compare it you know with any other defeat but the Bible is saying Satan lost the battle so badly he's destroyed. There are many other verses that talk about the same thing and the Bible also talks about the believers authority. Okay Ephesians 2 verses 4 to 6 can somebody read that. But God who is rich in mercy because of his great love with which he loved us even when we were dead in trespasses made us alive together with Christ. You have been saved by grace you have been saved and raised us up together and made us sit together in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus. Okay wonderful so you see that last part in Christ Jesus we are seated with Christ in the heavenly places. That is a spiritual reality physical reality we are seated in Bible college on plastic chairs. Okay but what is the spiritual reality we are seated with Christ in the heavenly places. The meaning of that is see when Christ sits sitting is symbolic of you know I've done everything I finished everything I'm sitting with authority. Right everything is under me now I'm sitting because Jesus finished his work. So he's sitting in the heavenly places that's a sign of authority and the Bible reveals to us we are seated with him. How amazing that shows us that we have the authority with Jesus. So imagine how you would command demonic powers if you know you're commanding from there. You're sitting next to Jesus place of authority and you're commanding demonic powers. Would you command with courage boldness or how you would write because you're also seated in a position of authority. So spiritually you and I right now the Bible says we are seated with Christ in the heavenly places that is the kind of authority. You know every believer has every believer has so we can use that authority Jesus is already defeated the devil. He has already given us you know authority like this even when he sent disciples before he died on the cross. He said nothing by any means shall harm you remember Luke 10 verse 19 he said you will trample again somebody read that Luke 10 verse 19. Behold I give you the authority to trample on serpents and scorpions and all over the power of the enemy and nothing shall by any means hurt you. See so authority was given in such a way that I told you the devil should run away from us we should not run away from him. Nothing by any means shall harm you I've given you authority like that. So when we're talking about spiritual warfare Behold don't go what will happen how will I deal. No we are victorious Jesus defeated the devil. He has triumphed upon the devil on the cross 2000 years ago. I am seated with Christ in the heavenly places it's just I'm talking what victory is there in the cross. What authority is given to every believer. So when I pray for the lost I can go against the enemy and say no no devil you will not do this right. I can use my spiritual weapons and set those prisoners free. So every believer can engage in spiritual warfare to see the lost saved. So how do we pray for the lost when we pray for family members that I'm also there was a mention I'll quickly run through again. So when we pray for the believers for somebody who's lost we would say something like God to touch their hearts. You speak to them you show them what is right what is wrong. We would also say God to draw them to yourself all this is based on scripture. So the verses are already listed here onwards. We would say that God you help them to have knowledge the truth so that they can escape the trap of the devil. They are not understanding what's happening. We pray God help them realize that they are under the trap of the devil. Give them knowledge about to give them wisdom give them revelation about you so that they can wake up. So that they can realize that they have better calling for their lives and you have made great power available to them. So just wake them up we are paying to give them that revelation give them that understanding. You can also pray and say God send laborers laborers. This is a prayer with Jesus prayed where he says people to speak to them people to minister to the lost. So we can ask God for that. Also pray for supernatural encounters. Supernatural encounters means let them have dreams. I know of people some people it's not the normal way normal is you know we go we share to them about Jesus. But sometimes people may have a dream. They may see an angel they may have a vision they have some supernatural encounter and give their lives to Jesus. Sometimes such things can also happen. They can have a dream and Jesus is calling them. So such things can happen we should pray that God let all these things happen and they can come to the Lord. So this is the way in which you pray. Now how do you exercise your authority in spiritual warfare? Okay here are the ways in which we can do it. We can make declarations of victory of the cross. So we can say that you know Jesus has already won the victory on the cross because of what God Jesus has done. You know the work of redemption is available for these people. The blood of Jesus speaks base over these people. You can begin to declare about the cross the work of Jesus the blood of the cross. You can begin to speak release for these prisoners. So you know sometimes in our declarations we are the authoritative. We can even take to the devil and say oh I command we command but you know these people will be set free you know in Jesus name. Things like that we can say like that or rather exercise authority like that. There's nothing wrong with it because we are speaking against demonic powers. So we can go forcefully against demonic powers. We can even bind. In using authority remember we can bind it. So we can bind demonic spirits. We can lose the love of God upon the people. Things like that. So we can paste prayers and declarations over the people. Then we can actually identify some of the issues. Like remember we said there can be knowledge against God which is exalting its against the knowledge of God. So when we identify okay here is the issue the knowledge which is keeping them out from God. One thing to do is for us to preach the gospel or take the message. See when like Paul went to Athens he talked to them in their context to tell them yes there is God. This order of invisible God that we are praying for. Let me tell you about this invisible God and then he begins to speak and reveal the truth so that their understanding can be changed. So we can speak truth into their lives. We can address the issues sometimes you have issues where people say there is no God. Okay faith and science it helps when you share the truth. It really helps it enlightens the people. So you can begin from there that is also in a way spiritual warfare. And then in a prayer you can say something like I pulled down these philosophies. I break it I tear it you can use language like that because what are you doing by your faith you are releasing your authority. Okay and it begins to affect the demonic world so you can tear down those imaginations. Many a time what people do is they make both specific for example. Let's say we pray for the salvation of a particular community and corruption is the biggest problem. Okay and as we are praying for them we recognize that this issue it's a spiritual issue. It's not just the people but there is a demonic influence. So when we pray we can break things like we break a stronghold of corruption of this community in the name of Jesus. We tear it down in the name of Jesus. So you understand you can go specific if you know what that is corruption or whatever alcoholism or addiction or suicide or life. You would know what is the specific of that community and you can pray towards that the anger. Okay so if the Holy Spirit reveals you very specifically you can go against that. Then you can say something like okay I destroy the works of the spirits that are at work in these people. In this manner you can actually engage in spiritual warfare. So prayer is inviting the work of God and saying Lord you give them permission to draw them to you and send people in their lives. That is prayer. Spiritual warfare is we are taking the authority and we are saying we release them. We destroy every wrong philosophy and maybe you can also go very specific. So you know some people talk about it is called as spiritual mapping. Okay in spiritual mapping what they do they will go to a place and carefully they will identify. Okay this area these are the demonic spirits. This area these are the demonic spirits. So like that they will come up with a map and when they pray for that region they will go specific on those particular demonic spirits. So this is also done by many Christians. So this is how you understand you know praying for the lost. So here are some things that in addition to whatever I said we must understand regarding spiritual warfare. One we should not become you know devil or demon conscious. I never talk about the demonic people become very like alert.  We must be aware yes that's all I think more than that don't become it is unhealthy. We should be more God conscious isn't it? We should be more aware of the power of the cross the victory of the cross our authority that should fill our minds. All this demonic is just by the way right don't kill the demonic your center of attention. Don't become demon conscious okay when you consider spiritual warfare. Second is you know how I told us about spiritual mapping you know a place and how some believers they identify which are the spiritual influence of that region. But sometimes people become very stuck in spiritual mapping. They just classify and classify and classify okay this temple is yours this is this that is there that place of worship is there that is that. So people become very conscious about spiritual mapping also but that is not very biblical it's just for our understanding that's all. Getting too much into it is unhealthy. So be very careful about these matters and also remember when we are playing like this okay what happens we think that you know we can control. Let's just take for example that as a parent the son does not know the law the parent is a strong believer praying to engage in spiritual warfare. The parent begins to think I can control my son okay I will pray I will make sure if he's not with the law I can make sure he comes to know the law. So that's a good intention but you know at the end of the day whether the son believes in God or not it will depend on his will. No matter what good spiritual warfare father is engaging in so he can break the hold of every demonic power but the son has to make a choice isn't it. So what will help for the son to make a choice? Spiritual warfare is prayer okay all of this makes God's word okay yes that's true what else will help the person make a choice? Love yeah the parents love yes that will make a difference yes condition of Holy Spirit okay okay sorry I can't hear you. To experience God okay to experience God in his life okay so yeah that will also help okay great so some good points that we got so far. We can do our praying fighting in the spiritual realm but they need to the heart needs to be open. Now imagine if father is not loving if the father is not you know sharing from the world the heart of that child is like I don't want to believe in this God if you know if I want to become so angry like my dad I don't want to. You get so there is the other side where if you want a person to make a certain decision many other things better okay but ultimately the choice would be the sons. We already said we cannot control any human being with prayer okay controlling people is what what is it?  So why don't people do all those things because they want it a certain way isn't it but when you look at the kingdom of God we are praying blessings over people's lives they still have free will we can never control anyone through our prayer or through our spiritual warfare okay. So we must remember that we must always remember that yes so engage in prayer fight in the spiritual realm but also do other things which can positively influence the person to make this choice. Okay so if we are talking about a community if the church is not a good testimony in the community whatever spiritual warfare we are doing how will they be open isn't it to the gospel if we ourselves are in corruption people will say how can you come and preach to us. You understand so there are these two aspects we cannot control we can positively influence this is the manner in which we can pray and in the end for an encouragement there is this section about Caleb's experience. So you know Caleb in Joshua chapter 14 he is given a mountain he goes and asks he's so strong even when he's old he goes and says give me my mountain and they give him a mountain. That place is known as Kirjath Arba and Kirjath Arba was a place inhabited by Anakim giants so it was a dangerous place you would not go over there because it's a little risky the giants lived there but after the place was given to Caleb Caleb is a place of friend and association so basically this is to just encourage us and say that yes there can be people who are so far away from God and you know there can be even territories and communities that are so far away from God but once we win them over for Christ those same hostile people or communities they can become you know restored in such a way that they become very beautiful glorifying God where people can actually come to know God through those individuals or through the community. So God is able to do it there are many testimonies I think I told you one of my friends like she was praying for her daughter who was so far away from the Lord but it's amazing how her daughter came back to God and now she and her husband are serving the Lord. Okay so me after having seen how it was when that daughter was far away and how it is now when she is serving God it's amazing but the good thing is the parents used to pray like this they should literally hold hands and pray and say no Lord you have given this child and we will not let the devil have her so we go against you know the influences of the enemy we bind it we break it we tear it down they should pray like that and it's amazing to see how the life of that child is now turned around. Okay so just want to encourage us now we can and should pray for people who are lost so any thoughts any questions before we wrap up okay there's something here in the chat I will read it. So Justin says sometimes I have noticed when I pray for others they get the deliverance and healing and I know that I'm called by God my question is many times my family suffer is it because I'm not praying enough for my family or should I not pray for others when they request. Okay Justin very you know a thought provoking question but what I would say is see we have to live by the standard of God's word okay now God's word says that you know he's our deliverer he's our healer and all that. So when you pray for somebody they get healed when you're saying when you pray for your own family they didn't experience it but that doesn't change the standard of God's word isn't it.  So the standard of God's word is what we should aim for yes sometimes we have positive results and maybe even quick and easy results sometimes we have delayed results or maybe we didn't get the results which we expected but we should try to grow in our faith to such an extent that our experience matches the standard of God's word okay. Don't give up because you didn't see the results in your family no keep praying and you'll see that what you're seeing happen when you pray for others will also happen in your own family. So you just have to be persistent Justin that's my answer to you I hope it makes sense. Okay all right we have 3 more minutes any other comments. Okay so Justin says also whenever I pray for others my family is impacted in some way is this warfare. Okay so Justin I want to make it very clear that you know this is what believers call as a backlash. Okay so what they think is if they go against demonic powers if they cast out a demon that will affect them that will affect their family they will have a backlash. But we just read Luke 1019 and Jesus said you will trample upon serpents and scorpions and nothing by any means shall harm you. Okay and similarly you know I think it's 1 John 518 which says that when we are walking in righteousness the enemy cannot touch you it says. Okay so when we have all these promises by God saying that you are already protected we should not fear the devil. Okay when we fear some people say oh no pastor you are saying that nothing will happen but it happened. You know I cast out a demon and this happened in my home. You know the Bible also says when you fear something that comes upon you. So fear is an open door fear is you're believing that something evil will take place. So why put your belief there even when you fear things do happen. Right but what does the Bible say very clearly says that we don't have to be afraid of any backlash and that's why I'm repeating again and again about believers authority victory of the cross. Because sometimes we don't understand that the devil he's no comparison to God. Okay we'll talk about all this in believers authority just for you to understand. See God is the creator. Who is Satan? He's a created finite being. Where is the comparison? But we are so scared of the devil because we're not understanding who God is. You got it? So we have to understand who God is we have to understand the meaning of the cross. We have to understand the believers authority then we'll recognize that's why Jesus is saying you will trample. You will trample the serpents and the scorpions nothing by any means shall harm you we can be that bold. Okay so don't worry about any backlash justin that's the point I want to make. Okay great yeah so that's quite clear. Let's pray and close and this around the online students please one of you love to hear your voice please pray and we'll close this morning session. Father God thank you Lord. Thank you Lord God. Can I pray?  Thank you Lord thank you for this time Lord God at your free Father God whatever that you have taught us from your word Father we thank you Lord for giving us the revelation from your word Lord God. Your word says know the truth and the truth will set you free Father God Father thank you for making it clear to us whatever that we need to learn from your word Lord about prayer and how to pray for others and ourselves Lord and about the spiritual warfare. Lord help us to engrave this truth in our hearts Lord God wherever that we go Lord God help us to remember what you want us to remember from your word and the Holy Spirit will clearly direct us Lord God help each of us Lord God to obey your word whole heartedly Lord God and remove every fear that is lingering us Lord lingering in us Lord God because your word says Lord fear is not from you Lord God but you have given us a sound mind power and love Father God thank you Lord. You give each and every one of us into your hands help us to do Lord God what you want us to do in the way that you want us to do from our hearts and glorify your name in Jesus mighty matchless name. Amen. Amen. Thank you. Thank you justin I really appreciate that. Thank you everybody for connecting. This is the last month of our course so please expect your of course the marks of your first grade assignment and your second graded assignment also you know will be up okay so please be prepared for that so thank you and bye for now God bless.


McPaw and Mike Stevens announced the official end to the six-week Chief Petty Officer induction season. Instead, the Navy's year-long development and training program, CPO 365, will take its place. It includes two phases. So we wanted to provide the opportunity for all of our first-class Petty Officers to continue to maintain that momentum, to continue to train, but also to be able to recognize that there were some events that not everybody was going to be a part of, such as the CPO Selectee Leadership Course, some of the fundraising events, and some preparations for final battle stations. So there will be periods of time where our first-class Petty Officers will separate for training, but by and large, we'll keep them together and continue to do the training that they've been doing because it's vitally important that all of our Petty Officers, first classes specifically for this training, continue to learn and develop and don't have those breaks in training where they're no longer being participants. One very important element that will no longer be part of CPO 365 is the word induction. I believe that induction is more about a moment in time, something that we do right now today. And CPO 365 and the development of our first-class Petty Officers to become cheap Petty Officers is not about a moment in time, it's about a continuous time. And so this is something that we're going to do every day, 365 days a year. And so we wanted to make sure that what we were doing matched the term that we were using, or the term that we were using matched what we were doing.


So I'm John Furrier with theCUBE here at Palo Alto on a remote interview for a special video interview at the EC2 15th birthday party celebration event, Raj Pai, who's the vice president of EC2 product management, AWS is here with me. Congratulations on Amazon web services, EC2, it's the compute, what a journey, 15 years old. Soon we had the keys to the car and a couple more years. So Raj, great to see you. You guys have been doing great work, congratulations. Thank you, it's great being here. It's super exciting for me too. I can't believe it's 15 years and we're still at the very beginning, as you know, that we often say. The building blocks that have been there from the beginning really set the table and it's just been fun to watch the innovation on behalf of customers that you guys have done at AWS and more. And for entrepreneurs and for developers, it just continues to be great and the edge is right on the corner, wavelength, all the great stuff. But let's talk about the specific topic here that I really want to drill into is that as you look at the 15th year and birthday for EC2, you're looking at the future as well. You're looking at the past, present and future and one of the things that's most compelling about recent re-invent was the Graviton performance numbers are amazing. You guys have been building custom silicon for a while. You also work with Intel and AMD. What is it about? What's the huge investment for you guys? Why do you start to see some returns? Are you seeing returns? And then why did AWS decide to build its own processors? Yeah, no, it's a really good question. And I mean, like with everything else we do in AWS, it's all about innovating on behalf of our customers. And one of the things our customers are telling us and they continue to tell us is they want to see, better performance at lower prices. And we've been able to deliver that with our hardware partners for the last 15 years. But as we've understood the workloads that run on EC2 and AWS, we saw an opportunity. What if we were going to go and design our own processor? That was really optimized for the sort of workload that customers run on the cloud. And make design decisions when designing the CPU and the system on a chip around the CPU that does things like bring a lot more core local cash and speeds up the parts of the operations that really benefit real world workloads. So, you know, this isn't about benchmarks, it's about like how do real world workloads perform and how do we build systems that optimize that performance? And with Graviton, we were able to hit the nail on the head. We were also very pleasantly surprised when we got our first chips off the line. And we're seeing that a customer like about 40% performance improvement at a significantly lower cost. And that's super exciting. And that's one of the reasons we're getting so much interest from our customers. I got to say as a geek and a tech nerd, I love the silicon development and there's benefits there and also the performance is there. The thing that also is pretty obvious that's happening and the world seeing it is the shift towards ARM based computing. What kinds of customers and use cases are you seeing adopt the Graviton? And what kind of workloads are they running on? Were the things that surprised you guys that you didn't surprise me? Andy Jackson was talking about the uptick and how everyone's leveraging it. What are some of the examples? Take us through some of the customers use cases, workloads. What's surprising you and what's going on with Graviton? Yeah, so I think the biggest surprise for us is how broadly applicable it's been. So one of the things we did, we launched with re-invent is as you know, like we have different form factors of compute, we have memory optimized instances that are good for databases and in memory caches. We have compute optimized for HPC and workloads that really take advantage of the performance of the chip. And then we have dental purpose workloads. And we introduced Graviton variants of all those instance families. And we're actually seeing the same sort of performance benefits across workloads. So, and it's one of the reasons why companies like Nexroll and Snap and Smugmug, they move one workload over, they see the performance benefit. And before you know it, they're starting to move workloads and mass over across kind of that spectrum. So I think that's one of the biggest surprises is that Graviton seems to do well across a wide range. And we're going to keep on introducing it more and more of our instance families because we've seen this uptake too well. You're seeing a lot of people move to the Graviton. You mentioned a few of those early adopters who are pushing the envelope. And they're always kind of trotted out there as examples at re-invent, which is always fun to see what they're working on next. What is the, and now is that people see the Graviton two instances, okay? The architecture difference, higher performance. How much effort do our customers typically need to move to Graviton two instances? And what are some of the benefits they're seeing on performance and price performance? Can you talk about that transition because that's natural evolution for them? Yeah, it's actually a lot less than they originally think. So some of the hardest effort is just getting them over the line to try it. So, one of the things that we tell our customers who are considering Graviton is, you just take one or two of your developers, take one workload and go off for a couple of weeks and just try porting to Graviton. And more often than not, they come back to us in like four or five days. They're like, it works. Now we have to do some testing and verification but we were able to port it because the operating system support was there. The ISP support was there and the tools that they use. And they're using, in most cases, modern programming languages, like Python or Go or Java or PHP, where the interpreter languages just run. And so it was very, very little lift in comparison to what people think it's going to be. And that's one of the reasons that, one of the big announcements we made in the last few weeks is what we're calling the Graviton Challenge, right? So it's a set of blueprints for customers to essentially have best practices on how to, in four days, take a piece of code, a piece of workload and execute and run it and migrate it to the Graviton. And we're seeing a lot of interest in that as people in the community realize how easy it actually is. What are some of the cool price performance things that are emerging? I mean, obviously it makes sense if you don't really need it, don't pay for it. But you have that option, a lot of people are going there. Is there a way of you see coming that Graviton 2 is going to be really set up for, that you kind of see some early signals coming in, Raj? Because, I mean, I can see the 64 bit, I can see where Graviton fits today. Obviously performance is key. Is it certain things that are emerging? What's the main problems that it solves? Well, I think anything that's a multi-threaded architecture is going to do really well on Graviton because of the, we have really densely packed 64 cores. And so you're going to see things like microservices and containers and workloads that are able to take advantage of that parallel execution do really, really well. And so, we say 40% performance improvement, but like when our customers have gone and tried this, they've seen upwards of 50% depending on the workload. So it's going to be more your multi-threaded there's some applications that may not be a fit. Like you give a legacy, for example, there's some software that hasn't yet been moved over and we're going to continue to invest super heavily in our whole ecosystem of hardware for the long term. So I think that if it's because there's a great option and we just encourage them to try it and they'll learn from their experience what works and what doesn't. Well, 15th birthday still growing up and it's starting to get more mature. You're the VP of product management. You have the keys to the kingdom. So you have wide-ranging responsibilities. Share with us if you can.  You got wavelength. I can see the dots connecting at the edge. You got outpost. So I see all that emerging. I can almost imagine that this is going to get stronger. What should people think about? Where's the headroom for EC2 with Graviton too? Yeah, I think you are connecting to the dots yourself, but our goal is to have AWS everywhere our customers are. And that means the full power of AWS. So I think you're going to see more and more of us having EC2 and compute capacity wherever customers need it. That could be in an outpost. That could be on their 5G network. That could be in a city right next to them. And you're going to see us continue to offer the variety, the selection of instances and platforms in all those locations as well. So I think the key for us is to be ubiquitous and have compute power everywhere our customers need it in the form factors they need it. That's awesome. Congratulations. I love the power. You can't go wrong with sending computers where the data is, where the customers are. AWS, Amazon Web Services building their own custom silicon with Graviton II processors. This is EC2 continuing to grow up. Raj Pai, Vice President of EC2, product manager. Thank you for coming on and sharing the update and congratulations on the 15th birthday to EC2. Yeah, thanks for having me. It's been great. Have a great Friday. All right, great. I'm Jeff Furrier with theCUBE. You're watching theCUBE coverage of EC2's 15th birthday event. Thanks for watching.


He'd make his living by stealing people's dogs from their backyards, wait for reward signs to be posted, return the dog for the reward and be acclaimed a hero for finding their little mutts. He'd been dog napping for a few years now and wondered how long he could keep it up before his run ended. Despite what he did for a living, Ken actually hated dogs. He'd keep them in their cages without food or water. He figured why should he buy dog food if they were just going to be gone within a few days. The animals would grow thin in their cages and he didn't care. Undernourishment was just something the family would blame on the dog. If the dog hadn't run away in the first place, it wouldn't be starving. Although the dogs hadn't run away. Most of the time, Ken would snatch dogs up from dog parks or just from people's backyards. Some people would let their dogs into the backyard and take their eyes off them for a while, giving him the perfect chance to snatch the mutts up and wait to claim his reward. Other times, he'd go to dog parks where dogs roamed around without leashes. He'd see which dogs came to the park and what their owners look like. Then he'd watch the owners to see how much attention they were paying to man's best friend. If they were on their phones or talking to another dog mom or dad, he'd give their dogs biscuits and lure them inside his van. Two once again await his reward and be hailed a hero. He got the idea to do this one day by finding a lost dog named Jasper. Jasper was a little Maltese. He noticed the dog on a poster that said reward. Then underneath a picture of Jasper and Jasper's name with a dollar sign. Followed by 300, he quickly grabbed the dog and dialed the number on the poster. When he returned the dog to the owner, all he was worried about was getting the reward. But when the family hailed him as a hero and he received a kiss on the cheek from the beautiful wife, he knew this was a feeling he wanted to experience again. Steal the dog, collect reward, and be named a hero. It was the perfect scam. Before his dog napping days, he was just a petty thief. Now on a good week, he was collecting a couple hundred dollars which was enough to pay the bills. He got to stay at home and do nothing all day while he waited for reward posters to hit the streets. It was basically the dream job he never knew he wanted. And what if reward posters never hit the street? Well, that depended on the type of dog since the size and breed of the dogs would vary. If the dog was suited for fighting, he'd sell it to his contact over there. If it was a dog they wouldn't take, then he'd put it up for sale online. If no one wanted the dog, then he'd simply put the dog down. It was a grisly process, but there was no cleanup necessary. The buzzards would come and pick up the carcass until nothing was left. He felt as if he was getting away with murder, except these were just animals, according to Ken. And you can't murder an animal. Ken had been scoping this rickety house in a rundown neighborhood for a while now. The person inside was an elderly woman, which just meant stealing her dogs would be that much easier. He didn't expect much of a reward from her, considering her living situation and her age. He just needed an easy victory after what happened recently at the dog park.  He claimed he thought it was his. The owner snatched the dog back from him and walked away. Now, he couldn't return to that park anymore. But it wasn't all bad, since he had multiple dog parks he'd cycled through. He knew he would have to lay low for a while, so no more dog park snatches for him for the time being. The elderly lady had no husband, only her dogs, a German shepherd and beagle. A normal person would feel sorry for her, but not Ken. He saw an easy target. He even mulled over the possibility of a home invasion, but that's how the best thieves slip up. They try to one up their usual routine and are caught right in the act. And after Ken's recent close call, he just needed to get his feet back in the game. And stealing this old lady's dogs was like stealing food off a free sample tray. Plus, he expected at least $50 in a batch of cookies while he was at it, you know, for his troubles. Loose planks of wood made up the fence. He ripped a few boards off and laid them on the ground. He wanted to make it look like the dogs broke free, so the lady would know how her dogs escaped. He could taste those cookies now. Ken whistled, and the two dogs she'd recently let out into the backyard perk their heads up. He waved a meaty treat through the fence hole, and the two dogs came near. One was a German shepherd, and the other a beagle. Ken had dealt with all sizes of dogs, and for some odd reason, most dogs seemed to trust him. The dogs ventured through the hole, while Ken opened the back of his van. He threw the treats into the back, and the two dogs jumped in. Those cookies were tasting better and better. He went around to the driver's side door, got into the vehicle, revved the engine, and drove back to his homely trailer. He got to the trailer with the two dogs, waving the treats towards the cages he'd set up for them. He threw the treats into the back of the cages, and each dog went into their own designated prison. This was the smoothest heist he'd ever pulled off. He went over to his couch, turned on his gaming console, and began playing his video games. The dogs were strangely quiet. He didn't have to go over to their cages once to spray them with a water bottle he kept handy for any possible yappers. But these two were exceptionally quiet, almost too quiet. He stopped playing his game and went to go check on the dogs. There they stood in their cages, not making a move. When he entered the kitchen where their cages were, they both turned their heads and peered up at him. Their eyes met Ken's, and he shuddered. These dogs were unsettling for some reason, but Ken couldn't put his finger on it. He knelt in front of the cages and looked at the dogs' collars. The German Shepherd's tag, Red Aldrich, he looked over at the other dog, the Beagle whose name, Red Wilmer. He looked at Aldrich's eyes. They stared at each other, and then Aldrich blinked.  Ken said as he watched the dog's eyes blink vertically from side to side, instead of up and down. It's like it had a pair of hidden eyelids that lay in its eye sockets. Ken shook it off and continued to look the dog in the face, analyzing it. It had deep black scars that formed what looked to be a cross on the dog's face. But this old lady tortured her animals. Ken looked over at Wilmer and saw the same cross-like scar on his face.  He asked, not expecting any answer back, other than maybe a few barks to be let out of their cages. But they didn't even do that. They didn't pant, whine, bark, or make a peep. He went back to the couch and plopped onto its cushions. With his controller in his hands, he continued his mission, taking his eyes off the kitchen to focus on more important things.  He licked his lips as he mashed the buttons and twiddled the analog stick from side to side. A booming sound from a shotgun bounced around the tinny trailer as Ken nailed the zombie in the head. Boom. Headshot. Ken yelled out in excitement as he killed the last zombie, clearing the level and moving onto a point in the game he hadn't reached yet. The sound was deep and rumbled as it echoed through his head. Ken dropped his controller and turned around the room. But there was no one inside. Who? Who's there? He didn't get a response. I'm losing my mind. Ken whispered to himself. Then his stomach began to rumble. He walked over to the refrigerator and peered into the freezer. Luckily, there was one microwavable meal sitting all lonesome just for him. It was a Salisbury steak meal with mashed potatoes and corn. On wrapping the plastic, he placed the small cardboard tray into the microwave and punched in the time. He hit the start button and the plate and sign started to spin. The deep voice returned. Ken turned around and looked at both ends of the trailer, but once again saw no one. He looked down at the dogs. They just stared at him and he returned their stare.  Ken asked, then kicked Wilmer's cage. But Wilmer didn't flinch. I can't wait to get rid of you two. Ken said and returned to his couch to play video games till his meal was heated up. A few minutes passed and the microwave beat obnoxiously. Ken got up and walked to the kitchen. He opened the microwave door and peeled the seal of the top of the cardboard tray. It steamed upwards and Ken backed slightly away. He left it in the microwave to cool down and went back to the couch to continue killing zombies.  Ken let out a cheer while mashing the buttons on his controller, filling the room with clicks. Then something thumped onto the kitchen floor. Ken's heart leapt out of his chest. Then he listened as the thump turned into a dragging noise. He paused the game and got up from the couch, heading towards the kitchen. Then he stopped. Lying next to the dog's cages was an empty microwave dinner tray. At first, wonders struck him. Then anger soon came after. The tray was missing its Salisbury steak. The mashed potatoes and corn covered the ground. He cursed, picked up the steakless box, kicked Aldrich's cage, and threw the box away into the trash. Pizza it is. Ken said angrily, staring the dogs down. How exactly they got the food from the microwave was beyond him. The dogs were in cages and the microwave was opposite from them. However, the only thing Ken cared for was the fact that they ate his food. A few days passed, and other than the odd black, inky substance that formed around the animal's cages, a substance that took him a while to scrub off the floor. The days went by without incident. Ken figured it was about time he walked around the old lady's neighborhood to search for lost pet signs. He got to the street where he'd originally stolen the dogs, and lo and behold, signs were a fix to the utility poles. The signs read, Lost Dogs, with two pictures of Aldrich and Wilmer. A small paragraph under the photos was a large red printed warning. If found, call immediately. Dogs may be dangerous, handle with care. There was no reward offered on the sign, just the old lady's phone number.  He didn't expect much of a reward, but for none to be posted was a bad sign. It probably meant cookies were off the table as well. He grabbed the poster and hopped back into his van. He sat in his car and thought for a moment. He knew the shepherd Aldrich would go to a dog fighting ring easily. Wilmer, the beagle on the other hand, he'd have a tougher time getting rid of. Not many people were looking for beagles, especially one its age. Ken would probably have to put it down. He hadn't had to put a dog down in a while. He folded the poster and pushed it into his pocket. He drove up to his trailer and hopped out of the car. He walked up to it with keys in hand and began to unlock the door when what sounded like rummaging came from within his trailer. He put his ear to the door and heard screeching. He unlocked his trailer and entered the house. It was a wreck.  Ken yelled. Did someone break into his house without breaking the door down? No, it couldn't be.  But how? They'd been locked inside their cages the whole time he was gone. Right? He went to the kitchen to look at them and found the bars of the cages bent inwards. It looked as if something had eaten through the metal. Again, he asked himself. How? He heard a noise over his shoulder and spun around. He thought he saw movement behind the couch. Creeping as slowly as he could, he approached it. He called the dog's names out and whistled. Then Wilmer jumped up on the couch and just stared at Ken.  You wrecked my house. He screamed, bringing his hand upwards, then downwards onto the dog. He nailed the dog in the jaw and knocked it to the ground. But the way his hand contacted it didn't feel right. It was a mushy feeling like the dog didn't have a skull. The dog got up, turned to face Ken again, and just stared. Ken took a few paces backwards, and then it happened. The dog began to growl, and its face began to open. The scars Ken saw before became slits. As its face bloomed open, the slit spread apart and formed four black flaps, with each flap having at least two dozen sharp teeth. The growl turned into an ear-piercing screech. Ken fell backwards.  As the thing took small steps towards him, the beagle's slow strides became larger as the fur from its legs slipped away, revealing long, slick, twig-like legs. The thing doubled in size, a black ink-like substance oozing from it. On some parts of the beagle's body was torn skin and fur, but underneath it was a black mass. While this thing was contained in that small dog, Ken couldn't understand. Ken's back pedaling halted when his back meant the kitchen counter. The demonic creature let out a final screech and leapt towards Ken. He kicked his leg out and the creature's flaps clamped down on his foot. Ken let out a yelp, then a scream. He looked down at the creature and it was whipping its head back and forth like dogs do when they get hold of a chew toy. He could feel the thing's teeth piercing his leg, giving him that pins and needles feeling one gets when the blood flow is cut off, but ten times worse. He pelted its mushy head with his fist, but it did no good. He reached for the kitchen drawer, grabbed a large knife, and plunged it into the creature's side. It immediately let go of Ken's leg and screeched. Then it ran back out of the kitchen and hid behind the couch. Ken attempted to stand, but he couldn't put any weight on his ankle. He cursed as pain surged through his body. He hobbled to another drawer in the kitchen and pulled out the ruger he used to put the dogs down. He hoped it would do the trick. He loaded a cartridge into the gun and turned the safety off. He turned his body towards the couch, leaned against the counter to take pressure off his hurt foot, and the thing that had been Wilmer came around the corner and screeched. Ken fired, but the shot missed. The creature leapt at Ken again, causing him to fall on his back. Ken held the dog's throat as it tried to clamp its toothy flaps onto his face. He struggled, leaning one way and then the other, not wanting to look directly at the thing. Its tongue slid out of its mouth. It was unusually long. The tongue landed on Ken's face, and it rubbed at it in circular motions. Ken squirmed at the slimy feel its tongue gave off.  Ken struggled to breathe as it came at him in full force. The thing screeched, and Ken cursed. He worked the gun underneath Wilmer and fired. The creature went flying and hit the ground a few feet away from him. Taking a deep breath, Ken fell backwards onto the kitchen floor. He'd killed it. He was safe now. He closed his eyes and breathed heavily, in through his mouth and out through his nose. He thought about pulling the poster from his front pocket and giving the nice old lady some harsh words. He had so many questions he wanted answered, like what exactly was her little pet because Ken knew damn well this wasn't any kind of dog he had ever seen before. Was it a mutated dog? An alien. What could that demonic creature be? He reached into his pocket for the poster, but it wasn't there. It must have fallen out of his pocket.  Then a sudden thought came into his head. Aldrick. A deep growl ripped through the air and Ken opened his eyes to see the shepherd hovering over him with its flaps bloomed, fully opened. It was much bigger than Wilmer, so it must have needed more time to shed its dog-like exterior, probably lurking in the restroom during the scuffle with a beagle. The thing growled and its face opened into four large flaps. Foo. The deep rumbling voice turned into a guttural demand. Ken realized then that the thing was putting the word into his head. It was talking to him telepathically. Aldrick was informing him that it was hungry and Ken was the only thing in stock. It let out one final screech and with lightning speed brought its face down on Ken's.