Good afternoon, everybody, and welcome to the introduction to the Cloud Native Maturity Model from the Cartographos Working Group. My name's Simon Forster, and I'm director of Stackogy. And I'm Danielle Cook, and I'm a VP at Fairwinds. John Foreman, director at Accenture. And Robbie Glenn, a manager at Accenture. So the Cartographos Working Group, just to give you an overview of who we are, we were a group that came together last year to try and provide some tooling for the end-user community on what is this Cloud Native landscape? How do you navigate it? And we're a group that works. We meet regularly to talk through different pieces of content and really provide as many tools as possible to get people into Cloud Native and using it successfully. Our first piece is the Maturity Model, which we're here to talk to you about. Yeah, so why another model, right? We have the landscape. It's very good. We have the trail map. It teaches us how to get to Kubernetes, right? Well, the landscape is very hard to read, right? We have an interactive model where we can dive into bits and pieces, but it's constantly growing, it's constantly evolving. How do we keep up as an organization? How do we plan over two years while the landscape is exploding? The trail map is great for technical people. It's not going to be the right tool for business, right? And we have to incorporate our learnings from growing Kubernetes at different organizations so that we can take that knowledge and share it with our other clients. So it goes beyond the technology. So there are five stages to the Maturity Model. We have level one, which is build, level two, operate, level three, scale, level four, improve, and level five to optimize. It's important to recognize that at level one, where we start the journey is not a baseline. It's not a baseline of zero. You're not starting with nothing. Rather at level one, it's pre-production. Nondevelopment, we're testing, getting, starting to understand Kubernetes and related cloud-native technology. Level two, operate, is the first step into production. So Kubernetes is there. It's implemented. Level three is for scaling out. This is where really the organization is committed and well on its cloud-native journey. Level four is improve, where we get policy, process, and governance are really in place. And with level five, where we optimize, we're really looking to further incorporate developments that as the cloud-native landscape further matures and grows and really looking to cast our eyes into the future. Each of the five levels of the Maturity Model, as we were pulling it together, we realized there were key themes coming out. There were journeys that the people had to go on. What skills do they need? How do they need to establish their team and their framework? We saw a theme around policy. What do you need to put in place for compliance? What security regulations do you need to meet? There was the process of, OK, how are we going to organize our workflows? What are we going to do with CI-CD? And then there was the business outcomes. Why are you actually doing this? And in each stage, what should you be able to demonstrate to your business leaders, to your board, to your C-level, all of that presented itself? So within each of the five levels, we go through these five different areas. So Robin mentioned Maturity Models and Frameworks, all those great things. That's nice. But what we want to talk about is the journey. What is your journey to cloud-native? The CNCF is great with doing a great incubating new projects to production. But how do we take these things, actually, through something with it once it's out there in the world? So in the past, we had journeys to the cloud, but journeys to DevSecOps. But now, it's journey to cloud-native. And this has to be the discussion, is how do we get to cloud-native? And as we do this, though, one important aspect is technical debt, is that this early in the stage is you have to go through your landscape, understand what tools am I going to take on this journey in my new luggage, and what luggage am I going to leave at home? Only take what I need. Otherwise, it'll get more complex, and you're never going to get to the next journey level if you don't remove your technical debt. That's one thing you want to begin looking at early on in this. Another thing also is you want to start building a model for governance, right? Process procedures in your new stages. Because once you get further immature, you're going to really fall flat on your face, which I see every day by clients, by the way, they can't get to the next step because they didn't do it the right way. And you got to breathe, take a deep breath, and then go for it. Don't go straight from zero to here, it won't work, okay? And then, you know, also in your new stages, be manual. Don't go crazy in automating a day one. You'll get there, but right now you have a lot of gaps in your skills and your environment. So don't go too crazy, let's just begin this journey the right way. Yeah, by level two, you are moving into production. So you're taking all of those skills that you've built in level one, all that governance, and you're really trying to take that into production, and bring some value that you can show to your business that Kubernetes is real, we have this competency, and we can really change our business with this. There's gonna be a focus on still smaller teams, cross-functional teams, very bright people, right? And you're gonna get those pockets of strong skills in those cross-functional teams that you're gonna build your competency on, and that's gonna lead you to level three, which is scale, right? And it's not talking about scaling your workloads because you're already doing that, you're already in production, right? So we're talking about scaling your teams. How do we replicate this knowledge that we've incubated, right? And take that to other teams within your organization, how do we grow that, right? And so that's gonna be a bunch of different things, but a lot of it is around standardization, those very bright people and those cross-functional teams, they're going to be elevated to almost a center of excellence and they're gonna build some standardized tools that we can share with the rest of the organization so that they can bring themselves up to that level of skill very quickly. There's also going to be a heavy emphasis on the business side of it, because now this is something that we're able to use as our primary driving force behind our compute and the business has to be on board and really buy into that. So at this scale, what we did was improve, right? And on this journey, things, again, it's real. It's getting real now. I'm really becoming cloud native in my environment at this level. And I'm also being very competent with Kubernetes with cloud native. My staff is getting the skills in place, they're feeling more comfortable with new technologies and we're really moving ahead where we need to be. And at this point, I'm beginning to kind of level off. I'm very comfortable at this level. We're able to really scale at this point and really go full production, we're full DevSecOps and everything else that's going on. You can kind of consider this as you talk with state. When we talk to people out there in the industry, this is kind of where they want to hit. This is the goal is to be at this level. And during the process, you can even do things now, I can manage my things now, I can manage KPIs. I really measure things to see where we are really improving. Is cloud native worth it? Why am I here? I actually measure these things now. And the really cool things that I'm saying right now at this level is in the past, I would go to CXOs, they'd go, John, open source, get out. But today it's changing. They're not becoming the thought leaders now where the CEOs and CXOs have lost corporations are the thought leaders for cloud native because they went on this journey and they're adopting this today. And so it's kind of, from the basement, now it's gone to the water room completely at this level. So in level five, it's about optimization. So you have gone through the journey. You have made a bunch of decisions. You have improved those decisions. But now you've reached your master level. Your team is skilled. Everybody knows what they're doing. But you might have made some decisions that aren't necessarily the right decisions that you want to revisit. You might want to be looking at or you will be looking at, how do I automate as much of this as possible? You'll also, at that point, be figuring out what the new tools are in the market. Like we are rapidly evolving. There's new projects all the time. So you'll be revisiting those and looking what do you need to add to your system, your environment. And really here, this is where we want everybody to reach. And hopefully many of you are like, ah, I'm doing that now. Everything's good. And this is where we want contributions back to the community. What have you developed in your environment that you can give back to the CNCF or add to a new project? Join this working group. There's plenty of things to get involved in. The experience you have at this optimization phase, this level five, is vital to share with the community. So moving on, we start thinking about what are the challenges that we face. And there are a number of them. So first off, we have to be really careful about not picking champions, particularly amongst the CNCF and its projects. All of the projects that are there are there for a specific reason. And we cannot run the risk of attempting to infer one project over the other. That is absolutely not what we are setting out to do. Secondly, this model may fit an organization that's pretty large, might fit a Fortune 100 company. But we also need to make sure that it might cater for small or mid-sized organizations. And if we think about what is contained within it, it might even be relevant to individuals. We really need to keep making sure that the model stays relevant and changes. And then finally, we want to keep up with the leading edge of technology and what the CNCF has as its mission. And this means that we need to have contributions from people. We need to keep it fresh. And we would really like to encourage and invite all of you within the cloud-native community to contribute to this. We have a few next steps that we've outlined. So we want to look at the model. Is it still relevant? Do we like the structure of it? Is the layout adequate and will it age? We have a number of published artifacts. Everything that we've done within the working group is within the cartograph of repository in the CNCF organization and GitHub. And we do have a series of reference documents there that you're very welcome to read. And we encourage pull requests and issues as well. We'd love your feedback on that. We'll also be looking to integrate the model into the CNCF website, cncf.io, alongside, hopefully, the landscape and its guide, as well as potentially the trail map, those areas for future development. We also need to continue our ongoing process of outreach to the tags and to the projects within the CNCF. Again, we require their input. It's vital that we reflect them appropriately. And then finally, we are looking to implement potentially some scoring to look at how can you rank your organization or where you are amongst these key areas and amongst this level to help you in your own journey. So with that, it's also called for action as well. You may be thinking, you know, John, Robbie, Daniel, Simon, I'm not very technical, but I do want to contribute. The beautiful thing about this is it's documentation. It's not coding to build this model out. So everybody here in this room and whoever's listening from the interwebs can also contribute to this and we invite you to do that. You know, we have some new members as well to introduce. So we have from the top down, hopefully I pronounced your names correctly with my Brooklynese accent. And Elisa, Mochello and Jonathan. And your faces could be up here also next time but we do this as you guys get more involved with us as well. So welcome to the members to us. Yeah, I just wanted to echo what Simon and John said. Please join us. We need input from every level of organization, every step of the journey. We could use some help, so. We've just done a whistle stop tour, like the fastest speed dating version of this maturity model. There is a lot of material behind this. So you can go onto our GitHub page and there are, right now it's separated into the prologue, the people, the process, the tech, you can dig through it. We added business outcomes to it this year, so that's new in the model and we have been refining it. So there are a ton of links available but if you just go to our GitHub page you'll be able to get that and definitely get a layer of more depth than what we've talked through today. So just as a few final notes as well, we'll make sure that the slides are uploaded so you'll be able to get a copy of those. Furthermore, we have a little surprise here. Did I mention I'm an author? I may have mentioned that once or twice. Well, so is everybody else on the stage. So during this process, we actually wrote a book about this maturity model to make it more fun and if it'd be a friend's adventure, definitely go buy the book at this bookstore and maybe, if you're lucky enough, we've got to show up and maybe sign the book for you as well. Okay. We do have a booth here at KubeCon. It's within the CNCF project area and we'd love to see you afterwards. We do have extra printed copies of the model for those of you who didn't receive on when you came in. We have stickers and of course, if you have a copy of Admiral Basher's Island Adventure, we'll sign it for you as well. And with that, we're open for questions. Let us know if you have any questions. Feel free to, yep, we'll pass around a microphone. Thank you. I guess maybe a question for John. You said that you spoke with a lot of CXOs that when you say open source, they're like, no, get out. So I'm just wondering what were the conversations you had to have with them to convince them to take a step on this journey? So remember back in the day when everybody used to say, nobody got fired for buying IBM? Remember that? Well, I started to say nobody ever got fired for buying Kubernetes. And they said Kubernetes. I said Kubernetes. And I started the conversation with them, trying to position it at that level. It was, in the beginning, it was very difficult. In the beginning, the developers were making the stuff fun in the basement. And on top, they're like open source, we don't want it. It's scary. We're very comfortable doing this. People don't want change, they don't like change. But it was kind of forced to happen. I think that the developers really drove that to happen as well. I guess there's a follow-up question then. The reluctance, the scaredy-ness of open source technology, like, is it within the remit of the cartographos? Sorry. Group to kind of dictate parameters on specific projects itself, or is that something that's off-loaded to the CNCF incubation process? So we've tried to stay away from saying, this is the project you should use. Yeah, I don't mean a specific project. I mean, like, attributes of a project, like governance, like documentation, like these things that help convince the CXO to invest in CNCF. So that's why we added the business outcomes to the section. So we could, each area, we could say, this is how you need to be communicating the benefits of this. So that it isn't, it's some guidance that can inspire some ideas so that when you're starting on your journey, it might be one person, two people, a few people who have played around with some cloud-native tools and now they want to take it to the business. We have provided that language in it. Specific to the point of our relationship. So the charter of this group is that it does not in any way attempt to dictate to the CNCF any technical decisions or any decisions around projects. So we explicitly do not participate in that it's not a role of this group. It's rather to assemble artifacts to help in communicating that. So we're there to help provide what the CNCF already does in a format that might be helpful. At the same time, the model that we have here is attempted for a governance model. So as clients, as you guys, and your friends and families adopt cloud-native, you actually use this as a launch pad for your model of governance. It's already there. It's a cook and cook approach and from our knowledge and industry, it's very solid, we think. Of course, we need people to update and contribute as well, but that's what we're going for. And I think we draw from the group, the different either working groups and SIGs and the projects themselves. We invite members of the project teams to tell us how to incorporate the pieces of your project that are going to really bring value to the customer. So again, we're not making any kings, but if there's something new and valuable that we can incorporate as a feature, I think that that's really important for sure. Now, nobody can believe this room, by the way. You can pronounce the name of the group, by the way. So we're probably going to be checking that out. So we might be here for a while. A while. What are your thoughts and experiences regarding implementing this model in organizations who have similar initiatives like the OVASP SAM or the B-SIM? So are you suggesting building a custom model that integrates all of that, or would you recommend tracking this independently? Do you want to take that on this part? I think if you look at those models, they were not born in the cloud. This is born in the cloud. That's the difference. So if you take those initiatives, you can have, it's going to be very clunky, and you can make a wedge fit in a round hole, or a square peg in a round hole, if that's going to go, versus something that's built for the cloud already. Right, so it's kind of like, you know, that's one framework. Other frameworks, of course, will work with those as well to incorporate that as well. But I think this gives you that framework, you know, to be cloud native first. Because to me, that's critical. Because many clients fail today, going cloud native, because they're going back to the rack and stack, they're going back to all policies and procedures. That doesn't work any more cloud native. And the way the model was built, so the reason it's us sitting here, is we had all put together different maturity models, looking at it from different points of view. And so we came together from our skills at our organizations, having built environments for companies, and scaled them, and said, like, well, what are the common things that have happened? So with all of the three different models, we were able to pull together this kind of one umbrella, from experiences at our organizations. Great, thank you. I think there was one more over here. Oh, yeah, thank you. So obviously, software security is a big hot topic right now, and there's a lot of different efforts going on. So there's like the open SSF and the supply chain stuff, and there's this. How much do you all talk to each other and sort of try to dovetail your recommendations versus each working on your own piece and getting your own assessments? So two years ago, I led the group to create the CKIS exam. I actually, I spearheaded the development for CKIS, because of all the knowledge I have based on these things, and so I worked obviously with, I let them speak as well, but we kind of fused that knowledge along with our best knowledge to create that. And the day your security supply chain is very critical, security is never a first-class citizen. Even today, we speak to clients, they forget about security. It is never, it needs to be a first-class citizen, and that is a big part of our focus as we do these things.  As part of our process, we reached out, so we did our initial launch of the cloud native maturity model, and then over the last six months, we met with all the tags and presented it to them and invited feedback, help us out. You're the expert in security, you're the expert in storage, whatever the tag group was, and so we're trying to get as much feedback from the tags as possible because we aren't the tag on security, so we need that input. And what we want to do, the goal, is to have the cloud native maturity model link to all of the content that the other organizations or the other groups within the CNCF are creating, so that as a user, you can go and go, okay, I understand that this is where I should be on my journey, here's this paper from the tag security, here's this paper from the tag storage group, and it's this kind of master repository, if you will. My question was actually slightly different than within the CNCF, it's that there seems to be a variety of different Linux foundation foundations, which are all tackling aspects of the security model, and so for example, if you're trying to do reproducible builds and things like that, maybe having features in a cluster make that easier or harder. If you look at those SolarWinds incident, they were compromised by malware that was sitting on the machine and was listening for MS build processes, and when it saw a particular build process, it would sub in the source files during the build process. What's the question? The question is how much are you talking with outside the CNCF, other organizations that are worried about security? At this point, we haven't conducted any presentations with the OpenSSF as a good example. We would really like to incorporate feedback and information from the OpenSSF. So... I was also wondering if they were incorporating your suggestions. Yeah. We'd love it to be a two-way street. Yeah. Thank you. Absolutely. Any other question? Question in the back. Thanks. I found your point about not picking a champion quite interesting. So if the project isn't a priority within the business of the company, how do you gain that resource allocation above other projects? I'm not sure I understand the question. Also, maybe I misunderstood the point. So, well, so within what we're trying to say within the model is there's all these cognitive technologies out there amongst the people, the process, et cetera. And so we're saying you need to look into, for example, CICD. So you will need tooling there. Or Kubernetes is absolutely mentioned in the model. Helm is absolutely mentioned in the model. We've incorporated the graduated projects, but when it comes to a sandbox project or something that we know you need to put policy in place, we're not being prescriptive with what that project might be. Exactly. Exactly. Yep. So we exactly, to that point, we don't specify and say you must choose OPA or Coverno. We don't specify those projects. Nor do we do, for example, Flux or Argo or attempt to infer one over the other. That's not an appropriate thing for us. What we can suggest is consider GitOps. Yeah. And it's something that I meant to mention and I even started in my notes and I forgot to mention when we went over this. But at level three, you're going to see an explosion of tools. You're gonna be trying different things. You might try directly Flux against Argo. You might try different ways to secure your supply chain, right? You have your center of excellence trying out different things to figure out how best to get to that next level of spreading, you know, of Kubernetes being the way that you deliver all of your workloads. Nobody ever said Kubernetes was easy. I don't think they ever said that. Yeah. You know, I've seen over the years people struggle with Kubernetes quite a bit. They don't get it right the first time. They try different tools until they get it. You know, but at the end of the day it's about industry best practices, industry best solutions, what all they, who knows what that even means, right? It's an opinion. But it's about the process. If you follow the process, most of the tools are gonna be very similar in the day anyway during this journey, as I'm calling this. And it's about, you know, again, the CNCF great job of creating this ecosystem. But now how do we manage this ecosystem? How do we go from zero to hero? How do we actually implement it? We need some kind of tool book to do that. Some kind of run book was hoping what this will be and become a standard. I want this to be the standard for the CNCF. That's my hope. Because we need it. We need something. We have a question here and a question here. I know. Mm-hmm. Okay, you step in. Thank you. Do you have any examples of companies or organizations that have successfully taken these recommendations and applied them and had good outcomes or are we like early on in this such that we're still kind of developing those examples today? So it's definitely early on in the development of implementing this and people being able to find it and use it and all that, right? That's part of us making sure you're all aware of it. I think what we all can say is we have been using it at organizations and that's why we created it because we realized that there were certain steps that an organization needs to take to get to, you know, a mature phase of this model.  That's my answer. I can't tell you who they are, but. Right. Because I wanted to know. That's what I wanted to know. I have to tell you what, yeah, that's what we got here. Thanks. I think there's a question here. Thank you. My question is, if I understood it right, target audience is business in the end, right? And because things like a scoring model and everything like that is more targeting to CIO, CTOs and those technical management area more or less probably, but in the end, business wants to deliver value and right then, if they see benefit out of it, they want to deliver value faster and so on and so on. But it often seems that the optimize phase is never ending, right? Because there's, right, we had good ops, we have DevSec ops, and there's the next thing is coming in, right? And you cannot stop optimizing or even reworking your whole model. And in the end, there is no benefit for business because you keep doing so. And that's what I'm wondering if the target audience is still the business. So the target, we want this to be useful to a broad range of audiences. So if you are reading the in-depth information, there's a lot on the tech side. There's a lot on the process side. So depending on the areas you're reading, it is meant for a number of different stakeholders within your organization. I'm talking about business a lot because that's our newest area. But we also are, the way we put it together was so that the technical person can communicate to the business the value, right? Because it is very easy to be like, I want to do this cool tech. And it's always, I'm always gonna be working on, I'm always gonna be improving it. But there is, I'm gonna necessarily be beginning and end, but there is a journey to get the main value out of adopting Cloud Native. One problem that I see clients is that they'll start with one version of something, maybe OpenShift to give you an example. And then next year they go, oh, maybe EKS. Next year, how about AKS? And then next year, how about Rancher? You can't do that, right? You gotta go on this journey. Every time you do that, you stop and you start from number one again. One thing I can say to everybody is that what I've seen, and I've seen this a lot out there, is that people keep going back to level one again, right? They start Kubernetes, they start Cloud Native, they start going on the journey, but then some yahoo in the company says, hey, I want to replace this tool with that tool. And now the drop in the maturity amount. That doesn't work, you can't stay in that. Do you really, you have to be able to understand what is my future look like? What is my future direction, right? And if I'm on Kubernetes, that's great, let's make it happen, but you have to be able to understand how could I keep my maturity going and not go backwards? That's something I'm hoping that this maturity model will help to give you that path. There's also the challenge that I don't know, I'm sure that you've faced as well, that we face is that our clients want to be at a certain maturity level that they're not at, right? But we're in production, they say, and we're like, yeah, but you missed all of these steps before then, so this tries to bridge that gap and makes those conversations a little bit easier so that they have something, we have a frame of reference to point out in point two, so. And you might, one thing that we didn't mention earlier was you might have with one application reached maturity and then you decide you want to bring another application along and you're like, yeah, we're starting from maybe level two, maybe you've like advanced it, but you're gonna, as you migrate everything, it's gonna evolve and you might be at different phases at different times. It's that parallel, it's more linear than anything else. One final point to add to that as well is that we hope that this model also evolves and this is where we really also encourage the community to help us to continue to make it relevant. We started drafting this a year ago and then over that period of time, we've seen a significant amount of change within the cloud native landscape. So again, on that point, we'd love to invite your involvement and specifically for those of you too who don't feel that you're technical enough to contribute to a CNCF project but may have a lot of skill on the people, process or policy side, we'd really love your input too. It's five minutes past the hour. I definitely think you're gonna join, right? I can tell you're gonna join the group. So with that, if we can all thank you for coming along today. Thank you. Thank you.


Bismillahir Rahmanir Raheem Kerbala is honored upon all the soils and this episode of light on art we are going to introduce you to the steps of making saqqana or pottery war tank now the first step is to exercise the clay and make it to the desired shapes the main substance for making a saqqana is a clay which is grained and softened after that the artist puts the clay on the pottery wheel then he starts shaping the base of the saqqana all Hussain in remembrance of the soil of Kerbala that we pray on and in remembrance of your righteous path our souls shall fly to your shrine alamanshu after shaping the base it's time to shape the middle part of the art the artist adds pieces of the clay to the base of the saqqqana to reach the desirable shape the love of Hussain alaihi salam was molded with our souls and his luck was carved upon our hearts oh Hussain the heart of water will burn till the day of judgment as you were close to water yet you died thirsty after finishing the base and the middle part it's time to make the upper part the simple and humble soil that makes the main substance of saqqana is going to be proud to be the pottery water tank that will provide water for the passersby the pottery saqqana filled with water thirst quenching the lamentors of Hussain alaihi salam the next step is to decorate the art now the artist is going to decorate the saqqana with the holy name of Imam Hussain alaihi salam the artist now is going to decorate the saqqana with the holy name of Imam Hussain alaihi salam the water that poured on the ground on the day of ashura today is giving life to the saqqqana that represents a boss and carries the name of the master of the murders the next step is to put the clay and furnace and for about 30 hours starting from zero degree to one thousand one hundred degree then the saqqana is ready to serve the lamentors of Hussain alaihi salam when you drink water remember the thirsty lips of Hussain and say he's be upon you or Hussain in remembrance of Abul Fadal al Abbas who tried to provide water in remembrance of Ali al-Azhar that was killed innocently in remembrance of lady Zaynab that best represents patience the water is still crying it's impossible to describe the attempt to provide water to lose both hands and to sacrifice your soul in the path of Allah


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In fact, hundreds of young Greek-Canadian men eligible to fight did so alongside our forces. And yet, an anger fueled by nationalistic fervour took over. As many as 50,000 returned soldiers and Torontonians took to the streets over three days, rioting and destroying businesses owned by Greek-Canadians. Ultimately, the militia was called in to restore peace. The armistice soon overshadowed the riots and they were quickly forgotten. The racism against Greek-Canadians in 1918 may surprise many of us today. 100 years later, our Greek community is an integral part of the Canadian multicultural life with a historic district, the Danforth, known for its phylloxenia, the word for hospitality in Greek. To those who proudly support Hellenic heritage and to fill Hellenes on all sides of the legislature, I invite you to join us tomorrow at Toronto City Hall at noon to celebrate and recognize the contribution of Greek-Canadians to Toronto. Thank you. Thank you, Member Statements. The Member for Sudbury. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I'm proud to rise today to speak about United Way Suntrade, Northeastern Ontario, or UWC NEO. Our United Way began in Sudbury in 1982, Mr. Speaker. Through initiative by President Ron McDonald from the Steelworkers Local 6500. And over the past 26 years, the United Way has worked in partnership with the community to change lives and to provide opportunities for a brighter future. Sudbury's United Way has also expanded over the past few years to become a regional organization covering a huge area of Northeastern Ontario, including the districts of Cochrane, Greater Sudbury, Nipissing, Perry Sound, Manitoulin and Temiskaming. And I'm proud to report that to date, over $45 million has been raised and reinvested to create opportunities that build strong communities, to help our kids be all they can be, and to move people from poverty to possibility, all while ensuring that the money that is raised locally stays locally. I'd like to highlight one recent example of how the United Way has helped our community in Sudbury, Mr. Speaker. Following a recent break in which caused up to $20,000 in vandalism damages, UWC and EO, so United Way committed $10,000 in emergency funding towards Meals on Wheels to support the organization as they recover and move forward, and Meals on Wheels, Mr. Speaker, is an organization that provides affordable food for the community brought to the homes. And this is just one example of the great people and organizations that are throughout Sudbury, and I look forward to sharing more stories like this one in the future. Thank you, Member Stateless, the Member for Perth, Wellington. Thank you, Speaker. Speaker, on July 24th was no ordinary Sunday afternoon at the Arthur Tim Hortons. Employees discovered fire, and 30 firefighters were soon arrived at the scene. No one was injured. Wellington North Fire Service Chief Dave Gilbo was quoted, staff did an excellent job, followed all procedures, got everybody out. But this was no simple fire. Chief Gilbo wrote to me, the fire started in the sailing cavity. It had been burning for some time before staff noticed smoke. The occupants were totally unaware the fire was burning above their heads. At first firefighters could not have known the building was made of truss and lightweight construction. Chief Gilbo explains, our firefighters did an excellent job of containing and extinguishing the fire. However, we believe we were within moments of roof collapse. We were not aware that the roof trusses were lightweight. There was no way of knowing. There could have been serious injuries or loss of life. Here's the point, Speaker. Firefighters need to know which buildings contain truss and lightweight construction. When fires break out, they need to know how to attack it. And they need us to pass the Ray and Walder Act, which would clearly identify affected buildings. My private members bill passed second reading unanimously, but the previous government didn't follow through. I look forward to discussing this life-saving legislation with our new Minister of Community Safety. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Member Statements, the Member for Brampton North. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Today is a very significant day. Today is Emancipation Day. It is a commemoration of the Slavery Abolition Act, which ended slavery in the British Empire and thus also in Canada back in 1834. It is also a day that is personal to me. My ancestors came here from Virginia back in 1903 to make a better life for themselves. And it's also the reason why many others come here to Ontario today. Thus, it was truly an important step when the 2008 government passed a private members bill designating Emancipation Day on August the 1st. However, there's still a lot of work to be done. While we talk about Black History Month and all the success stories, and while we talk about things like caribana, which of course is this Saturday, and many other achievements with the Black community, members have made possible. The reality is that more work needs to be done and the work is not over yet. As a new Democrat, we acknowledge the reality of anti-Black racism, including the systemic discrimination and implicit bias that negatively impacts the everyday life of many members of Ontario's Black community. Now the fact that I was the first person today in this house to acknowledge that Emancipation Day is a little depressing to me. It was a struggle then and it continues to be a struggle now for the Black community. This is why I believe today is an important day, not just for one group, but for all of us to understand Black history and the reality of Black people here in Ontario and across the country. Thank you very much. Member Statements and Member for Guelph. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I rise today to acknowledge the vital work of the Guelph Community Health Centre. As everyone in this house knows, Ontario's overdose crisis is far reaching and unfortunately my community in Guelph is not immune. Locally our mortality rate for overdoses has tripled over the past three years. In recent weeks, health alerts have gone out across our community, warning of spikes and deaths due to fentanyl-laced heroin. Mr. Speaker, lives are being lost. These are our neighbours and their lives matter, which is why I'm so proud of the fact that leaders at the Guelph Community Health Centre have responded and acted by putting forward an overdose prevention site. I personally toured the site just two weeks ago. Nurses and peers in the community are seeing up to 30 visitors a day. Staff work hard to connect people to health services and to treatment. They are saving lives. So Mr. Speaker, I encourage the Minister of Health and Long-Term Care to review the evidence and hear the stories of people using these sites. As a matter of fact, I invite the Minister to tour the site with me. During the Minister's review, I ask her to reflect on the importance of harm reduction in saving people's lives. Thank you. Thank you very much. Member Statements, the Member for Simcoe North. College Republic Live and Burles Creek Event Centre is a prepare for the 2018 Boots and Hearts Music Festival. 40,000-plus country music lovers will call Oro Medante home as they arrive for the August 9th to 12th festival. This is Canada's largest camping and country music festival and also one of the largest in North America, featuring country music stars from all around the world. Located in beautiful Oro Medante, Burles Creek spans over 580 acres to form Canada's largest outdoor concert venue. Since purchasing the event grounds in 2014, Republic Live has continually improved infrastructure on the property to accommodate two world-class music festivals, Boots and Hearts and Way Home Music and Arts Festival. The investment in Burles Creek represents the largest tourism related privately-funded investment in Ontario in the last several decades. Republic Live takes great pride to produce safe, responsible, experiential events that are enjoyed by Oro Medante and Simcoe County residents, as well as national and international guests. Republic Live has a policy of hiring and recruiting local staff, suppliers, volunteers first, and these efforts are paying off. According to a 2016 Economic Impact Study conducted by Republic Live and RTO 7, in 2015 alone, 133 Simcoe County businesses were contracted for Boots and Hearts and Way Home with total contract values of 3 million. Additionally, during the same year, both festivals brought 34 million to Simcoe County's GDP and created 584 jobs. I applaud Republic Live for their outstanding work and I encourage all music lovers to attend one of these festivals. Member Statements, the Member for Toronto, St. Paul's. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Today, recognised in Ontario since 2008, is Emancipation Day, a day to acknowledge the 1834 abolishment of slavery in the British Empire. I want to thank you, Mr. Speaker, for your seminal role in making this happen. A day that embodies both ancestors and our own freedoms and hopes of democracy for peoples of African descent. We cannot allow the business of government to let us lax on our commitments to freedom and democracy. The Ford government's attack on our democracy through its devious backroom deals and power-hungry municipal meddling is an affront to Ontarian's rights. Many of the hopeful candidates are themselves progressive black, racialised, diverse women candidates. What message does this send? Premier Doug Ford's desire to slash City Council virtually in half will directly slash the opportunities of many of these voices. Voices progress Toronto, women win TO and Operation Black Vote Canada, among others, have doggedly helped lift up and rise up. I cannot ignore the anti-black, anti-woman, anti-progressive consequences of this government's oppressive agenda to forcibly suppress voices and representation of those historically and contemporarily most marginalised. Thank you. Next member's statement. Member for Mississauga Mall. Every day I feel that we here in Canada take many things for granted that enable us to live a free life full of opportunities. On the contrast, I would like to share with the heavy heart that there are many places in this world where people are living in fear and uncertainty. Mr. Speaker, today I'd like to talk about Hindus and Sikhs of Afghanistan. Once a population of over 300,000, now less than 1,000, these residents are living an unthinkable life. They're unable to leave their homes freely for the fear of attack and harassment. Children are unable to attend their school. To the extent these people are unable to effectively cremate their loved ones, even funeral processions are ground for targeted attacks. Police and the government officials are unable to do anything and the list of hardship goes on. Mr. Speaker, I'd like to acknowledge two champions, the late MLA, Manmeet Singh Bhullar and the current MP, Garnet Genius, both from Alberta, who have helped these religious minorities. Through this statement, I would like to extend my help to these champions and also like to appeal to everyone else who is listening, join us in this noble cause and let's support everyone who is working to improve the lives of any, I repeat, any religious minorities in dire need of help. Together, let's work to build a better world. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Member Statements. Member for Mississauga Centre. Mr. Speaker, I am honoured to rise today to mark the 74th anniversary of the Warsaw uprising. On this day in 1944, after five years of brutal occupation by Nazi Germany, the Polish Home Army launched the largest underground military-resistant effort of World War II. For 63 days, they fought against a stronger and better equipped Nazi occupation force with very little support. While the uprising managed to make gains, the Nazis demolished over 85% of the city, 200,000 people died and in the end, Poland lost its freedom once more, this time facing decades of occupation by the Soviet Union. Thankfully, the spirit of resistance that motivated the Warsaw uprising helped Poland regain its independence once and for all in 1989. Since then, each year on August 1st, the city of Warsaw comes to a complete stop to mark Gojinawo, or WR, in remembrance. Mr. Speaker, I was proud to be a Scouts leader at ZHR Polish Scouts of Canada where I learned of the youth who played a monumental role in the uprising. The grey ranks, or Szare Szaregi, were an underground Scouting Association whose youths paid the ultimate sacrifice for freedom. Many Polish veterans who fought in the uprising and alongside Western Allies found refuge here in Ontario. I'd like to recognize the Polish Combatants Association of Canada and several of these veterans. Thank you, Antoni Gruszenko, Richard Opitz, Aleksander Bogdan, Miradje Duszycka, Maria Nowicka and Stanisław Sadowski. Your bravery will never be forgotten. Chwała bohaterom. Thank you.


So I'm going to read their introductions just so I can make sure I don't miss anything important. So, Candelia Adales-Mosmane, and Ezequiel, an indigenous group in Mojavejico. She is a first-generation college student at Highlight College pursuing a degree in cybersecurity and forensics. She speaks three languages, Spanish, English, and Ezequiel. She immigrated to the U.S. with her parents and her siblings in 2014. She just returned from an incredible internship at the University of Texas in Austin, where she used data science to study the impact on water sources for indigenous people. She is very involved in the internship here on campus. She is excited for her future, her main goal is to earn her master's degree or Ph.D. in computer science. Teisha Kukui Akana is native Hawaiian, Chinese, Korean, Filipino, and Spanish from Hawaii. She is in her last quarter at Highlight College and will be graduating with honors. During her time at Highlight, she has been a leader in the Anapisi program as a student ambassador. She also tutors and mentors students in the Highlight School District. She came to Highlight from Hawaii to play for the Highlight College women's valuable team. And she is proud to be a native indigenous POC. You also can see her on the A-line buses. Um, Anosa Nepsia Rodriguez is an undocumented and an unapologetic mother of two, committee member and scholar. Um, she was born at the Mochila, which is in Mexico City, correct in Mexico City. Um, and was raised on occupied Jawanish, Muckleshoot, and Piala Bland. Her maternal grandfather was from the Tenec tribe of the Ovaesca region in San Luis, POC, Mexico. She is actively seeking to honor and reconnect with indigenous roots. She graduated from Highlight College last spring with her Associates of Arts with an emphasis in diversity and globalism. She hopes to pursue a bachelor's degree in youth development at Highlight by the fall of 2020. She hopes to broaden the conversations about the displacement of indigenous people of Latin America, settler and conglomialism, anti-indigeneity and anti-blackness and heal the intergenerational traumas caused by conglomialism in honor of her ancestors. Um, her children and the strong women of her life. Um, and the future seven generations that she does this work for. Uh, Leslie Jimenez is an indigenous scholar, spoken word artist and cultural steward. Her works focus on issues pertaining to indigenous resilience, survival, ways of knowing, knowledge systems, indigenous women's strength, colonials and cultural genocide and decolonization. Uh, she was raised on occupied Tumonca and Chubash territory, California. She creates to honor the memories of her mother, Maria Colos, her grandmother, Elisa and her great-grandmother, Ismael Chutepan. So, uh, Lopez, uh, uh, is our panel's opinion. Ismael's grandparents began coming to the Northwest uh, in the 1950s from Texas. They settled in the 1980s and not burn in. Uh, respect was held with his family. We're farm workers, um, and are now passed to health issues. Uh, he has dedicated his life to working, uh, to address systemic racism, equity, environmental justice and cultural survival of previously colonized communities of color. He worked on the farm worker solidarity committee for ten years and is currently, um, uh, and was involved in the statewide mobilization for the May 1st general strike from 2006-2011. Uh, he created an after-school empowerment program for Chicanex students who were deemed at risk based on indigenous culture, community engagement and intergenerational healing. He has been involved in fighting for organizing and organizing for undocumented displaced workers and families. He is dedicated to teaching about indigenous Mexican culture as a means to address issues that we are facing today. He believes that until we heal from the original trauma of colonization, we cannot begin to deal with the issues we are facing. Uh, it is important to understand that the greatness of indigenous resiliency, creativity and genius in order to find these qualities within ourselves.  He believes that our lack of empowering history was designed by the system of white supremacy as an institutional by-product of the school system built to keep us powerless. He is currently working with the State Board Health and Creative Office of Equity in the State of Washington, as well as working to support the Environmental Justice Task Force. He holds space every Monday at Centro de la Casa for Aztec dancing and philosophy as well as lead workshops in local middle schools and high schools. Um, I would like to give an introduction to myself so I can translate into one bit and then work over services and I'll be facilitating the panel today. Uh, I just wanted to give you all some guidelines that you don't have to answer every single one question, but don't not answer any questions. Um, so any one or two. Um, and then we just got feedback that question number two is a little dense. So we're going to leave that question til the end. Um, so we'll have time. But yeah, there is one microphone so if you want to pass it back and forth and then just also like this is just to highlight the stories of different indigenous communities outside of Toro Island, which is now North America. Um, and anyone can start to grab the mic. Uh, so the first question, what does indigeneity mean to you? Um, so for me it means I would say our indigeneity. Um, I can express myself by speaking my own language, my first language, which is mystical. So I can write a letter in my own language and it feels very powerful and it feels unique. To me, indigeneity means um, being a walking survivor of more than 500 years of ongoing colonialism in genocide. Um, and being an apologetic about the historical indigeneity in the truth that is within each one of our plans despite the ongoing displacement that's happening. It also means coming back now to reclaim the honor, resist and embrace more than 500 of our ancestors before us but also working to sustain and bring more indigeneity and people are going to be here still in the present and in the future so thinking about more ahead of us. So indigeneity means that in indigeneity it means living past these geopolitical borders that are man-made but are colonizers to separate us and to segregate us. So for us as indigenous people there is no border. That's what indigeneity means. It means to remember who we are, where we come from and where we will continue to be. To me, indigeneity I'll speak it in terms of language. So I'm Hawaiian and our word views is Kanaka Maui and in New Zealand, also known as Aotearoa, they say Maui. So the main focus here is Maui and Maui which means the true people or in other words the native people and another term is like for Tahiti is and New Zealand is Tangata Fenuam which means people of the land. So how I see indigeneity is being people of the land and being carrying the responsibility of being the protectors of the land as like my peers have said is where for me indigenous means like when my home is my home and my people are threatened I'm the front of the line because we know the mourn that's being taken which has been taken in the future what will be left especially for our children like growing up we already lost a lot of things being displaced but just imagine like if this is a reality for a lot of indigenous people as well just being able to hear or read about places but never being able to experience it is really heartbreaking. To me indigeneity means relearning my traditions relearning the language also going back to and giving back to the land I feel like I was displaced twice so my mom was that guy who was displaced and then as a form of protecting me she didn't teach me or my sisters any of her traditions and then being brought over here to the US I feel like it was another form of displacement and a way of like my peers have mentioned cultural genocide so now I want to be able to teach my children these traditions in a way that's appropriate and I'm not appropriated from other indigenous cultures so also being very aware of that and then acknowledging that I'm a guest on like indigenous land this is not my land my people's land is what is now Mexico and so being also very aware of that I'm a guest on Duwamish land next question so we keep hearing this word buzzing the colonizing almost like the word diversity has been co-opted with the intention of actually taking action so in a new words what does the colonizing mean to you especially when we speak about it in the context of indigeneity without borders for me the colonizing has become some people have come to term it as a buzzword it means not just decolonizing in the aspect most people think of taking back all the land that was stolen but it means decolonizing holistically so it decolonize in all seven directions which means like mental emotional, physical, environmental and your consciousness in all seven directions you can work to then restitch yourself back together on what's been torn and dismantling and questioning how you've been conditioned to think and be and live and your way of knowing it means that and also it's going past a land acknowledgement it's going to take action to not just acknowledge the land but also do your work and for instance I'm a visitor on Duwamish land on Coast Salish territory so as an indigenous person myself I'm a visitor and I have to acknowledge that but also give back to the community whose land you're currently occupying and acknowledge your own privilege that you are reaping benefits from the land because your presence there is a displacement to those people so learn their history learn their ways, honor them ask them how you can be a cultural steward but also honor them as a visitor so it means decolonizing not just yourself but it means decolonizing all of the spaces that have been captured by disease of colonialism and because if you don't start healing this now you're going to feel the effects seven generations from now you're going to pass that on to our future generations so it means decolonizing even within this ivory tower the curriculum the policies, the classrooms and our own self and acknowledging if you're not indigenous acknowledging that you're a visitor to Turtle Island and hold yourself accountable your ancestors might have done what they did but how are you going to change that and think about future generations I was speaking with the permission of the ancestors and the ancestors of these lands my elders I just I guess I see it a little differently as far as decolonizing and indigeneity I think I think when we think about decolonizing it's become something that is like very popular and very decolonize this decolonize that it's something that's really like a term that's being I think in my humble opinion overused and I think we have to understand and the colonization begins in the mind in the spirit of the person and the process to decolonize begins there with our mind with our spirit with our everyday walk of life and so I think as an indigenous person like for me before I try to decolonize anything I need to work on myself because I still find myself thinking with my colonized mind I still find myself questioning things that I know in my heart are true part of our tradition of Mexica we understand that the tonali or what could be is the tonali is the sun rays that exist within us and it resides in our in our stomach it resides in our what they call the solar plex and so they say that when we feel something when we sense something this is our spirit talking to us and so I have trouble communicating with my spirit with myself with understanding and understanding what I need to do as a person and how I need to communicate and and tread softly on land that is not mine and the land doesn't belong to us we belong to the land but there were people who belonged here first and so to tread gently on the land that we walk recognize that beneath each foot steps are the blood, sweat, tears and bones of the ancestors and the and just to be conscious of that and raise our consciousness because sometimes when we speak about indigeneity or about decolonizing we think oh we just think we think of the Hollywood Western Native American right we don't think about the African indigenous person we don't think about the islanders we don't think about Mexico we don't think about all these other places that have indigenous people but everywhere we go around the world you're going to find a fire you're going to find a dance you're going to find songs and stories of those people and so to me that's what decolonizing is is learning those dances learning those songs listening to those stories being close to the fire learning those ways not unlearning these things because when we think about today it's indigenous people's day we okay it's indigenous people's day but it's still based on a date that's based on colonial history right so when do we celebrate a day based on our own history based on our own people many of us bring traditions and celebrations from other parts of the world where we're indigenous from and I think we should celebrate those things as well so I'll just say about that much okay so yeah so you make the right point I will say that it's true when I at home I have to teach to my nephew and niece to speak Miss Deco but I also need to teach them how to speak Spanish and English so they have to grow with this knowledge because we are knowing the land that we this is not our own land it's all of us lands and so we need to to learn every every place where we go we need to learn these things the cultural language and the way we're acting so we need to respect each other so I grew up with the family where we have to respect each other like for elders to youngers so we'll still try to do this every day to me decolonizing means to break down like the barriers that we were taught or like challenging the perceived reality that most people think in the constructs of colonialism so one thing for me is like teaching they use to like love themselves love themselves for like how they look for you know their curly hair, the color of their skin the fact that they might have accents because the we're taught through colonialism and like Eurocentric values that something what we are is not valuable or desirable so like to first like teach yourself and to teach the youth because they are going to carry on your message but to teach them to love each other and like heal themselves as what's said earlier I think that's really what decolonizing is because colonialism has hurt a lot so the first step would be just to heal and just break down the barriers like oh I can't do this because of this I shouldn't do this because I look like this or I sound like this you once you start loving yourself and breaking the barriers you'll see like okay we might look different but you're my brother, you're my sister like we're connected even though they might label us as different because of these borders well in reality not in our reality but like in other in the indigenous reality those borders are non-existent thank you okay so the next question question number four it's not uncommon knowledge that the islanders across Oceania and the Pacific have been in constant communication with each other especially when you see shared words, navigational system and canoe design however people may now know that Pacific Islanders and the indigenous people of North America have also been in community way before Christopher Columbus as we've seen through chicken bones and indigenous plants in the respective place what does this connection and shared knowledge mean to you I think that this touches on the aspect of a shared connection whereas indigenous people were all more than there's more than 585 590 something fairly recognized tribes there's non-recognized tribes by the government that they have imposed that system so we as indigenous people have known that we're indigenous and we've communicated even through canoe through travel and you can see these through the stories if you go up to like the southwest some of their stories are the same are similar to those down in Mexico if you look Alaska Native or like First Nations Canadian Native stories they're very similar even in our art Coast Salish territories and food so even till this day we do cultural sharing as a cultural exchange not cultural appropriation but cultural exchange and something that you notice is when you go back and when I say go home you go home to the non-systems that were hibernating they were exactly extinguished but these memories their genetic memories that come back and sometimes someone from a different nation we teach you did you know that your ancestors they grew corn and this is how you grow corn and they themselves are not from Mexico or they're not from the southwest they're from a different tribe but they share this knowledge with you does someone share that with you something that's similar to across most indigenous people is the 7th generation prophecy or the 7th Irish prophecy so things like that it's the reason that they share connection is because like we mentioned before these are geopolitical borders that the white men that the colonizers came and brought with them but we had contact in all different ways before these borders were formed so I think that that's the shared knowledge that we share even though we're not all identical as indigenous people the reason there is a connection is because we would share stories and exchange that was our form of currency when I first moved here from Hawaii I saw a city called people call it Kalama but in my head I was like oh I lived by a beach called Kalama back at home I remembered it and then I have an auntie who told me oh yeah the Hawaiian our Hawaiian people came here and they exchanged with the native people and they stayed here because they liked it and so they named the place in honor of the connection that they had and what I think is so amazing is that so what people don't know about the pacific is like there's a big ocean and on maps they don't show you all the little islands on it so there's like probably hundreds of islands and on these islands are people well how did the people get there they traveled through canoeing and navigation and what I find like so amazing is that the pacific islander people traveled to probably not just North America as I said earlier we probably traveled everywhere and had our exchanges of stories, dances and plants and food and we made a connection and probably carried on through the generations and it's just I think it's what's cool but also irritating is like they talk about Christopher Columbus all these other European navigators but they don't talk about you know the great triumphs that the native people have done what long before that we've been navigating across this vast expanse of ocean we've been living in the native people have been living in North America, South America doing fine, living great having whole communities flourishing and that's not what it's talked about what's talked about is like the downfall so knowing how amazing our people are and have to persevere and to continue having these connections even past our ancestors I just find it it's good to know these things and this is a part of decolonizing is the stories that were taught to us from our perspective from my experience I would say that I still have that story from my grandfather because they're not 16 right now they're passed away but something that I learned from then is that keep sharing this knowledge keep sharing this music keep sharing these plans for medicine keep sharing experiments because they did a lot to bring us here so I keep asking if I can have the opportunity to meet these people who are already 16 in back home and this is what happened if if you know something you need to share it in everywhere you are so this is amazing learning from each other it's very great so we're getting close to the ending of the panel so does anyone from the audience have any questions this would be a great time and I can't go to you with the microphone thank you so much for sharing and for being here today a question for you would be what would you tell people who want to be allies and not indigenous what would you say is and I heard some of us at the beginning but if you had a really strong message for us what would you urge us to do to consider thanks I would say my experience I have been teaching my nephew to talk about our culture and our language so I'm not afraid to speak whatever I go in the store I talk to my parents this is something that I own and this is something that I carry everywhere where I go so I learned new different part like when I was searching for internships there were questions that were asking about what part of indigenous I am so I just I don't know how can I prove this even if I tell them oh this is my book you can test this and tell me if I'm right or wrong this is something that I still figure it out but if I have the power and knowledge to say that I'm mistaken Mexican I would say an essay and mistaken and tell them who teach me this language how long did I speak this language what we do what is a custom so all of this I think it's very reasonable to say that I'm real indigenous I think that the first thing to do is if someone wants to be an ally or a co-conspirator is to begin doing research to begin questioning and dismantling and analyzing one's own not just privilege but going past that and acknowledging and recognizing the history the true history of what your ancestors did and what other communities did but also of the things that whosoever land you're residing on really learn who's land you're on not just by an acknowledgement a vocal acknowledgement by a self acknowledgement and through action and what I mean with action you actually have to be asked get to a point where you're asked to do something by that specific community don't just invite yourself and take up space and know how much space to take up when to go out and also start reading some of the literature but not just reading it and also doing finding a mentor someone who will because it's not their job indigenous peoples our job is not to really educate all the single time because what's going to happen if there's only so few indigenous people is going to cause a burnout so say that you're white and there's someone who's white and is doing something racist or is cultural appropriating be unafraid to call them out and explain why and also another way is if you read Linda T. Smith's decolonizing research methodologies or research ceremony or even Brady's sweet grass those are three key foundational textbooks that you can start looking at but not just read and become a philosopher or an academic but actually take action because there's someone that needs you to write a grant for them use your writing skills and the way that that community wants and involve that community the entire way to then write that grant that they need and be okay if they don't give you credit don't wait there expecting to get credit or compensation don't ever expect indigenous people to do your work for free either because think about it how much do you put a place value for that knowledge system that they're bringing that survive more than 500 years of colonialism and cultural genocide and the boarding school system think about that what price range do you give for that okay you want a lesson okay here it goes no I think I think one of the things that is important is to to be a to be a good ally I think I guess before you you know maybe before you read the colonizing methodology but maybe start with talking about being anti-racist and doing work around anti-racism right because it's not enough to not be racist you have to be anti-racist right and I think that will bring about a lot of like consciousness and awareness in how you deal with people outside of your culture especially from the dominant culture so I guess I would start with that I think that we have to look at ways to bring resources into communities that are needed a lot of the funding around the grants a lot of the work that needs to happen in communities of color in general in indigenous communities you can't necessarily pay somebody for running a sweat lodge even though that sweat lodge is providing a service and a benefit for the community that person cannot receive a pay so then how are ways that we can support this work right if there's elders that are going to be going to events and providing and giving their knowledge how do we how do we support them how do we think of creative ways that exist outside the colonial funding structures to empower communities to provide solutions to their own problems we see for example around the other areas it's a super fun site they have other sites that need to be changed but the government comes in and tries to alleviate the issue but we haven't thought about participatory budgeting where we allow the communities themselves to come up with solutions to their problems and empower them to do that work I think if you have a skill if you have a skill whether it's in grant writing, whether it's medicine or whatever maybe teaching indigenous people those skills that will help them because they're going to bring something that the education cannot give you that's growing up and being a part of you know of this resistance when you're born you are born into the resistance you don't have it you don't choose and I think that's a lot of people we get to our adolescents and we do make a choice to assimilate or to remain connected to our communities and I think it was Corqui Gonzalez he was talking about in his poem Iron Walking he said we have to choose between assimilation and a hungry stomach and so I think that these issues are things that we're facing and I think the the solutions need to come from the communities that are affected themselves and I think the most powerful thing that people could do is get out of the way, step out of line, let people you know take leadership role let them not just be in an advisory position but in positions that really have control over over budget because in this colonial system that's where they really show value and I think that a lot of times we're left in in token positions and not really giving the power to make decisions over the things that will affect our everyday life so I will cut that there because I'm going to go forever so do you still have an answer so specifically talking about like high language that's where I feel like like an expert I was here like for four years before I graduated so like what I've seen like last year for the native students success of it I like Tanya Powers mentioned the budget was cut in half so how can other folks on campus that have like the authority to actually do something be helpful in that sense where like okay how if they're not if people are not willing to like give money for this type of summits that are bringing in like native indigenous students so like how like if you have higher power can you help that community manage its way to getting more money and then going beyond like the knowledge what are you actually actively doing to help students on campus succeed because I know like about two years when Maya Bo graduated she was like the only native student that was able to graduate and with me and Maya and then Geneva that she's not here right now try to you know make her presence know like for indigenous peoples club but it was very hard because the access was not there to students I feel like the students are there but it's just hard to reach them when like there's no space that we can like you know be able to reclaim as our own it's like we had to be like in different type of spaces and then yeah like I should have said just getting out of the way and if you really want to be another like help put like other indigenous folks in like those positions where they can advocate for our own community um and really don't speak for us would be another thing like always make sure that like if it's anything that has to do with indigenous students or indigenous people make sure that those people are leading it and you're just like they're like quiet don't try to speak for us or take credit um for like the name of the students like some in like the past five years Tonya Powers and uh so you know making sure that the school doesn't like take credit for that sometimes I know they can hire institutions when things start working out and are successful they tend to try to take credit for that and take uh that you know for folks or other people of color depending on what it is so just like yeah just stop taking up space I could mostly say lead indigenous people's lead okay so we're going to end it due to time but I just want to thank every single one of you for coming here participating and answering all the questions um we got like I wrote like 10 questions I think that was a little ambitious but thank you all so much for being here and to all of you so this is our final event for the day but as we continue you know a lot of them share their knowledge and I just want to tell you that there is like numerous opportunities to get involved in campus but also outside in our communities uh it just takes literally Google is free just like googling things that you can do um but yeah once again thank you for being here, thank you for everyone and then okay have a wonderful day