Hello people of the internet, my name is Johnny and welcome back to Fred Spy. I'm recording this basically right after the last episode. I literally just uploaded it and I really, really, really wanted to finish this game.  I clicked on a TV screen to get the microphone. The microphone's not in a TV screen. On, it's right here. Here we go. Uh, but I forget everything else I need. Spring Bonnie, bobblehead. A yellow cup. How the freak? Okay. Yellow cup. A fruity poster. Oh god, what type of fruity poster? This? No. Then again, I guess that is a drawing, so. Makes sense. Toy Bonnie? Are you kidding? What's the, that looks like name- oh! Toy poster. Okay. Um, yeah, that looks like Nightmare Bloom Boy, so I'm definitely not going to hit that. Toy Bonnie. He's definitely got to be in a camera, right? I'm getting, that kind of looks like Mangle. Uh, I'm just going to get everything else that I know, um, where it is. Toy Bonnie. That looks like Ennard. Um, that looks like regular FNAF 1 Bonnie. I'm not quite sure. That looks like Baby up there. That, is that Toy Bonnie? That is Toy Bonnie. A robot toy. Okay, um, here, clothes. Just clothes. Okay, uh, sure, hanging back on that one. A speaker and a soccer ball. Soccer ball is down here. A speaker, oh boy, here, um, a clock and clothes. Alright, I only have a minute left, so I'm going to find these relatively quickly. A clock and some clothes. Doesn't mean digital clock? It doesn't mean digital clock. Oh, there's a clock up here. Alright, uh, what else do I need just clothes? Is it that? Yeah! Maybe, maybe that's a cloth, I don't know. Uh, robot, cup, uh, does that mean I've gotten everything? I think it does. Alright, let me get everything else. Toy Bonnie, speaker, and a soccer ball. Uh, there, there, and there. That wasn't too difficult. I messed up on a few things, but other than that, really wasn't that bad. Again, very creepy, Glitchtrap. You looking good, man. Next up is, is it the elevator? Is that, I'm pretty sure it's the sizzle-location elevator, uh, with Fun Time Foxy, if I remember correctly. Yeah! Okay, this is the second to last level.  Everything here looks, uh, pretty large.  Oh my god. Alright, so I gotta find a purple ha- a red cup of clock. Alright, uh, let's just take this couple things at a time. I see, I see the clock. Okay, a Bonnie bobblehead. Let's look for that. I see it right there. Uh, books, green hat. Pizza with all toppings. Bro, are you kidding me right now? A pizza with all toppings? Here? Yes. Um, Bonnie drawing. Okay, I don't really see that many drawings. Oh wait. Here? Yes. Okay. A blue cup. Not a blue cap. Uh, a blue cup. Alright. Um. Uh, oh god. Oh god. Um, not seeing one as of right now. A pill bottle and a purple hat. Let's look for those. Alright, a pill bottle and a purple hat. I'm not seeing any of these. Bro, are you kidding me right now? A green hat. Alright, so I need to find a purple and a green hat. Where the freak am I gonna find some hats? Oh my god. Do I need a lamp? Cause there's a lamp right there. Oh, I found the books. Um, a red cup. I saw that somewhere. Here it was. Here it was. Jesus. Um, a blue cup. Pill bottle and some hats. Uh, is that the pill bottle? Not the pill bottle, but that was a really good jump scare. Wow, that was awesome. That is the pill bottle. Game, what are you trying to pull? My leg, obviously. Okay, now I just gotta find some hats. And what else? And a blue cup. I bet I am so goddamn blind right now. Oh my god, I was looking for baseball caps. Are you kidding me? Oh, well, that's not purple. I was looking for like baseball caps and top hats. I didn't think it meant party hats. Come on, game, you gotta be more specific. This game is great. Don't get me wrong. And I've been watching, um, Fusion and Lewis play it, um, like after all my episodes. And I think we all have the same complaint. I've seen them mention this a few times as well. It's gotta be more specific. The, uh, the items, they're great. This game is difficult, right? Um, and usually the items aren't that hard to find unless it's the, the boat and pirate cove and the spring trap poster in, um, I think it was FNAF 4. But, yeah. These things really have to be more specific. Uh, god, I forget what I'm looking for now. Purple hat, right? I gotta find that as well. I think I've basically done this thing, done this level. Let's see, a blue cup and a purple hat. Did I ever find that blue cup? That's purple though. Alright, uh, last thing, a blue cup. Okay. This shouldn't be that difficult, just one last thing. Uh, while I'm here might as well get all the things I have to get. So when I do find this blue cup, I can just immediately end the night. Uh, pizza and green hat. Alright, so where do we think this blue cup is hiding? I have no clue. Maybe up here somewhere? I don't know. Uh, god, I'm being yelled at. I can already hear the comments rolling in. Jesus. Uh, uh. I don't think I looked up in the ceiling once that, that, oh my god. So blind, I'm so blind. Again, terrifying as always. I don't think I looked up at the ceiling once throughout that entire level. I'm so blind, what is wrong with me? Anyways, um, last level is at home and oh boy. What is this? This doesn't seem like a fun loading screen, it's just pitch black darkness. And scary. Am I getting shot or is that fireworks? Oh no, someone's knocking at my door?  You want some lemonade? You're just gonna invite yourself in?  That's it! Well, I wanted to look around my house! Fred Spy, a FNAF anniversary game made by Games Production, level design the 64th gamer 3D modeling, Games Production, Georgie models, and Andy Arts, maybe. 3D characters, Scott, Steelwall, Games, and Andy. Andy or Andy, I'm not sure, I apologize. And then the beta tester was brother, voice actor, Harvey B. Thanks for playing. Thanks for making the game, this was awesome. And if any end credits scene, we're just gonna get kicked back to the main menu. We are back at the main menu. Extras! Well, I don't see why we can't have a look at these, you know, just to end off that episode. Okay, uh, credits, we've seen those. Let's have a look at these models, huh? Oh. Nice. That's terrifying. Baby. Springtrap. Okay. There's Foxy, Bonnie. Is that it? Alright, let's have a look at the behind-the-scenes. Here are the behind-the-scenes of some levels made by the 64th gamer using Blender Eevee. It's weird to see it with, like, Help Wanted Office. Sorry, I'm just taking all this in. That's awesome. This was a really fun game. I legitimately enjoyed this. This was awesome. I'm gonna check to see if there's any, like, hidden levels. I don't think there will be. No, you can't even replay the ending well. This was great.  It's a great game. Amazing for the anniversary, because it combines, like, all the games into one single game. And I just, I really like it. Again, I feel like some things could have been touched up more, like putting more details into what items you have to find. But overall, I legitimately enjoyed this game. The surrounding areas were awesome, and I felt like most of them were unique in their own way. Not only were they in different settings, but some of them were, you know, large rooms, some of them were small rooms, some of them were, you know, well-lit. Others weren't. It had a great balance, and going into each room, you didn't really know what to expect besides the theme. But I legitimately love this game. I'm saying it, but it's awesome. It's free. It's always linked down below. Throughout the playthrough. Please go download it. Show the creator some love. It's awesome. The jump scares, the models, the rooms. Phenomenal.  It also has each game present in it, though I'm kind of disappointed that there was an airport level just saying. But yeah, honestly, this game is just absolutely unbelievable. All the people you saw that made this game great, great job. Honestly, this is a phenomenal game. So like I just said, please go download the game. It's free on GameJolt link down below. Show the creator some love. Thank you everyone so much for watching, and I'll see you all on the flip side. Goodbye.


the energy you from the EAP chair and that's the pronounced EAP but it might be pronounced EAP and we're going to find out what that stands for. We always expand our acronyms here. That's representative Nicole Lohan. She's the EAP chair from the state legislature and Marco Mangelstorff, my co-host and this is Think Tech and it's you know with the energy 808, the cutting edge, okay. Welcome to the show you guys. Aloha, thanks for having me. Thank you Jay. Aloha. Happy Monday to both of you. Thank you. Marco, it falls on you to introduce our guest in a more robust way than I did and define the acronym EAP and also can you give us the scope of our discussion today? Sure. Well first of all thank you so much Jay for us reconvening as we have been doing over the years and thank you. Thank you so much Nicole for joining us today. It's it's always a pleasure to connect with you and yeah Nicole has been the chair of the state house environment excuse me energy and environmental protection committee aka EAP for how long has it been going on now? It's been four years and four years before that I think. So you know Nicole brings a great wealth of insight and knowledge and being in the trenches there and in my view one of the legislature's champions of which we are kind of short of these days in my opinion shortage of true champions who are fighting the good fight and trying to pursue a energy environment agenda that seems to be from my perspective such a hard slog sometimes and hard to see all the much substantive progress being made so thank you so much for giving me with us Nicole and all that you are doing there in your position of EAP chair. Thanks happy to be here. It's not really EAP at all is it can you give us the right pronunciation Nicole? Well the committee is called the Committee on Energy and Environmental Protection but it is referred to as EAP. Oh that is what people say. Okay well now we got that straightened out I feel a lot better about my initial pronunciation. You could say EAP. Okay so how was the session this year Nicole how do you characterize it you know it's an election year and that somehow changes the chemistry but can you give us a look back and how you feel about what happened? Sure I feel like overall it was a really successful and productive session in many regards but also in terms of the bills that we passed out of my committee and I'll stick to I guess talking about the energy specifically energy related things although the committee jurisdiction also covers issues like plastic waste and wastewater and things like that. We passed a couple of bills that have been multi-year efforts so it was exciting to get those through and clear that. The first one I'll mention is House Bill 2089 and this bill fixed the formula that's used to calculate the renewable portfolio standard so that it will kind of close a loophole that allowed the accounting to not be fully accurate so that it was calculated as a percent of sales as opposed to generation and this fix has been you know a bill that's been introduced probably five years in a row maybe more that finally passed through this year so that is of increasing importance as we move forward in this state with adopting more renewable energy that kind of discrepancy between the two numbers becomes greater and greater. We passed House Bill 1801 and this is the state facilities energy efficiency bill that mandates for state facilities over 10,000 square feet to implement cost effective energy efficiency measures and then this bill also directs that for new construction it be designed in advance to the degree that it's feasible to be energy efficient and water efficient and to maximize energy generation as well where that's possible so you know it kind of adding that language into the law creates a little more incentive to think about the long-term benefits of building these things in a front even when they cost a little more front but actually save money over the long term and then we also passed House Bill 1800 this establishes kind of near-term decarbonization goals so the state has a 2045 goal for a net zero economy or net negative economy but to keep us moving forward and keep real action happening I think we need some kind of goal before 2045 so what we put in law was 50% by 2030 over 2005 levels and this is in line with the Paris Agreement and the Biden administration and then this bill also funds planning process to look at how we will accomplish this decarbonization effort you know not only through renewable energy which is sort of viewed as the easier piece of it but also things like transportation, land use, aviation which is part of the challenging part of transportation I would say and also looks at things like energy, equity and environmental justice. On that note we passed a couple resolutions that will direct the PUC to lead efforts to establish a LIHEAP program and to integrate energy equity throughout their work and I don't want to talk for too long I want to let you guys ask some questions we also passed a bill to just update the already existing it's been existing for a couple years now electric vehicle rebate program so that adds some flexibility to the program so that we're not being redundant with what's being provided for with the newly available federal funding it made sure the program continues to be funded and expands the you know the goal has been in those publicly accessible commercial multi-unit dwellings getting chargers in those areas and this kind of expands the ability for Hawaii Energy and the PUC to look at the market and say what is the need and be able to design the program around what they see as are the needs the needs are instead of the statute being so prescriptive and then we also reinstated a biofuels tax credit that had expired as well as passed a couple bills a couple senate bills that look at renewable hydrogen and how we can continue that conversation and furthering those efforts so one first study and a second one for rebate program that's somewhat similar to similar in structure to our electric vehicle charging system rebate yeah there's a number of there's bills that didn't pass and things I think we'll come back to in the next session but I'll pause there in case there's no questions that you guys have okay let me only say that you know you know Marco is very complimentary to our guests and especially to you Nicole but I would like to say that you're awesome that's what I would like to say I mean I say that Marco may I say that I'm saying that that's what I'm saying okay um Nicole you know um some people think in the world today that the most important story is the most existential threat and climate change is the most existential threat if you walked around Manoa campus and visited the you know the journalism program pool up there and they would all tell you that the most important story for all of us is the most existential threat and that's climate change so and you're a very important person as the chair of the EEP committee in Hawaii State let's we have a reputation for being ahead of the game on this we have our you know target dates and all that and we understand to some extent you know what it means to contribute to the global effort but query this are we moving fast enough you know these bunch of bills we've talked about these bunch of achievements here in 2022 are they as fast as you would like are we are we playing our proper role in the global effort uh thanks it's a good question um I think no we're never moving fast enough because the threat of climate is so imminent and it's sort of like we're already have passed these milestones by which had had the humanity been capable of reducing emissions we could have you know kept global warming below a certain amount and that it's it's just so challenging I mean but you know on the other hand I think that we are moving um faster than a lot of other states we're kind of you know operating I think I really am one of those people that tries to push the boundaries a lot of people say oh it's impossible and you know I think the the thing that we have to remember is the threat of climate change is imminent and getting to decarbonization is an incredible challenge but it's one that we have no choice but to try to meet um but there are real world challenges so there's real world challenges like uh and how quickly things can move just for one thing and how quickly you can build an energy project or shift an entire economy these are like um these are like fast moving trains with a lot of momentum that don't change course easily and so uh I think why he really has been being an example and leading the charge in terms of action at the state level and at the same time no uh it doesn't seem like like anything could ever be fast enough or possible to you know stem the flow of greenhouse gas emissions immediately I mean that would be in terms of mitigating climate change you know the the best possible scenario so what would obviously not possible well aside from you know the real world politic of it um if I made you I made you queen I made you queen and I gave you you know authoritarian power over all of this without you know any real world political limitation um what would you do I mean and let's assume you know like in don't look up the movie it was such a good movie uh and you know we were facing a threat that to destroy humanity and you know in the near or intermediate term somehow and see all all the things that are happening at climate change right now um if I made you queen what would you do I'd rather have a magic wand than a crown okay magic wand all right okay um but then no then we're getting out I mean I think both are equally like unrealistic so I mean uh I would yeah I mean I guess I guess that's a tough question I don't I don't know if it's like useful to even attempt to answer it I mean obviously I would like to see emissions you know not just from Hawaii but globally um reduce a lot more quickly and you know all of this to happen in an equitable kind of way that was in sync with community and kept our economy moving forward you know of course it's complete um I idealized you but like uh I guess if there's well if there's things that seem possible I mean I do sometimes get frustrated I think with um um like like how I think there's some special interest in Hawaii that we could that really have an outsized influence and that can slow us down so if we're thinking about things more in the realm of things that are possible to change in the near term to help us get more action I mean I think that that it's getting everyone to really take this threat of climate seriously um and and you know move past some of those barriers yeah okay well maybe maybe it'll take some dramatic natural event to make us more serious who knows and that may happen while you're the chair who but let me let me uh go to one other point I wanted to make or ask you about and that is a in in the um eat committee you have energy and environment what what's the connection how do you see the connection between the two are they the same thing are they different things which one is in in the highest priority oh I mean I think they're kind of completely intertwined and especially when you talk about climate change because the the impacts of climate change in the way that we you know can be more resilient is by protecting our natural resources so you know issues like watershed protection is critical as changing climate sort of threatens um you know watersheds native species and changes the the patterns of rainfall etc like for one example plastic waste is something I've worked on a lot this year and I think there's sort of increased there was some report that came out with with coal on the decline it's like plastics are set to overtake coal as a source of greenhouse gas emissions by by 2030 you know in addition to that they include all kinds of toxic chemicals that end up in our environment and there they pollute the oceans and you know cause a lot of other kind of damage you know same with wastewater for example another thing that I've worked on it's like we have too many cesspools in the state that's really damaging to our reef recent or tremendous threat from climate change and coral bleaching events and you know warming ocean temperatures and so the more that we can address all these other environmental problems that compound each other the you know best chance we have of preserving these resources a huge number of issues you know huge other scientific issues and social issues political issues be whiz I hope you sleep well at night nicole these are not the questions I expected to answer um not every night but yeah you know like everybody else you know about about halfway through the show I always turn into a pumpkin and I invite marco to ask you questions some people say I am a pumpkin through the show but at this point I feel like it's time to ask marco to ask you some questions marco you know this witness is yours thank you counselor so I have a I have a preamble before the the judge and jury before I asked the question uh I received an email from the state energy office about I'm gonna say five or six weeks ago and it was a pretty nondescript email to the point that I don't even remember exactly what it said but it got me thinking about gee how much progress have we made here in the state of Hawaii and getting off this dangerous very vulnerable dependence that we've had for decades decades on imported oil and I decided to do some digging and what I found in my digging was a rather dismaying and disturbing to me and I'll share this with you so back in 1960 the state was dependent on oil for 99.7 percent of all its energy needs you know pretty darn close to 100 percent 99.7 and I scrolled forward to 1993 and lo and behold 1993 that 99.7 had dropped to about 86 percent excuse me 84 percent 84 percent of the state's energy total energy consumption based on oil oh progress being made right and then I brought us up to date or brought myself up to date in terms of the most recent data I could find which was 2019 I couldn't find anything for 2020 let alone 2021 but for 2019 the total the percentage of energy consumption in the state of Hawaii which includes transportation power generation anything in between 2019 it was 86 percent so recall that 1993 was 84 percent 2019 is 86 percent now we're 2022 and we're probably pretty darn close to the 85 86 percent so I've taken something of a dive over the years in terms of well what kind of support is the state given renewable energy you can find evidence of a a solar tax credit going back to when I graduated high school guys in 1976 a long time ago I attended my first energy conference so one of my first energy conference at the Sheraton December 1980 42 go down 42 years ago so with that kind of long monologue I'll close by saying making a statement asking a question I mean clearly whatever we're doing Nicole and Jay and others whatever we're doing while laudatory to some extent is clearly woefully inadequate woefully deficient and now we're seeing the pain we collectively are seeing the pain of record high utility prices with a 50 cent or so kilowatt hour cost here on this island 55 I believe actually 60 plus percent 60 plus cents a kilowatt hour for small commercial on Molokai high prices of pump so whatever progress we've made not to disc the progress or the players who've toiled away and the champions have toiled away over the decades but we're clearly we've got to do something different and I'm not saying I have the answers in terms of what to do differently but I guess my question to you Nicole is you know aside from from a magic wand or a royal title I mean realistically if not if not getting getting more more beyond realism I mean what else can we do in this state to truly make more of a rapid dent on this dangerous ongoing dependence on fuel the good fuel that's coming from great great distances which puts us in a very vulnerable position always has we still are um yeah absolutely I mean I think it's it's important to remember that the big picture doesn't include just our power generation right it's also transportation and transportation is you know larger and larger percent of all that oil that we import um because you know as we transition to renewable energy um yeah I mean I think it's a huge concern there's a note there's it it's uh there's a number of things and these are all kind of in statute for example when the public utilities commission is considering whether to approve a project they have to look at affordability reliability um reliance on import and greenhouse gas emissions like all of the above and so it's it's kind of about balancing all of those things um we have projects in the pipeline now that you know are are still just a sliver of you know where we need to go to reduce that 86 figure that you cited um some of which have been delayed by supply chain issues that we've had um is there a way to make these go faster I mean that is that's a good question I I think it's not without a lot of pushback I mean it's projects take time you know Hawaii is kind of notoriously takes longer than a lot of other states but you know if we try to I think there's ways that we can streamline and push stuff forward to move quicker but you can't just snap your fingers and have a new you know a whole new renewable power plant built overnight so I think in terms of power generation these things do take time um I think I think there's two things to consider on that Nicole one is yes they take time and you know think tech has examined um you know permitting for example um and obstacles to projects that they're they're legion uh in this state and it takes decades sometimes to get to get permit not only on energy and environmental projects but all projects um and on energy specifically you know think of all of the contensions and controversies over the past few years where activists have not you know it's interesting usually you expect activists will advance clean energy but in so many of our controversy the activists are opposing clean energy I agree with you and it's frustrating I think for everybody and people need to understand I mean you can't have both or always get everything you want and at the same time I think if you sort of took more drastic measures and just ignored the community pushback you just create further problems down the road so there's there's repercussions for doing that also and so you know you have you as much as we'd like to just you know make things go faster and push them through faster and you know take some of the process out of it there's there's you know potentially repercussions for doing that too and that well yeah you have two things working one is that you know culturally the state doesn't move fast and and it's you know it's a consensus model if you will uh any any group can stop any project they work at it but the other thing is and you referred to this earlier it's the it's the constituencies it's the public it's public opinion and public public view of this and it strikes me and I'm interested in your thoughts you know the legislature the government is a creature of public opinion of political expression of public opinion and I think we we know do we not that the public in this state does not recognize the exigencies of climate change it does not recognize the exigencies of moving ahead and so you and everybody in the legislature is you know is captive to that politically and I and I wonder what we can do to change public opinion so everybody has a magic wand yeah I mean these are the big really difficult multifaceted questions that nobody has the right there's no you know easy answer to um like to Marco's question also and this getting back to more specific things I think that you know for example geothermal is an incredible opportunity for the state but again it will take time because there's a lot of community sentiment and pushback that has to be worked through you know and people are struggling with you know not being able to make ends meet not being able to pay rent not being able to find a place to rent when their landlords as they're moved they're selling the house so um to expect them to you know make climate change climate action like a priority is is that's unlikely but I do think that's sometimes that that's kind of a line or a trope that gets used even when certain things that we do um you know certain kind of climate related bills I think in the long term are are geared towards environmental justice and equity and and having a better outcome for everyone and yet it's like we always get pushback from building industry oh this is gonna you know changing building codes it's gonna cost too much money and we have a this uh uh cost of living crisis in Hawaii so we can't do that you know and we and those kind of they kind of successfully can shut things um down based on you know I think facts that are debatable so that that is frustrating and I think you know it's also while we have these massive challenges with cost of living at the same time it's gonna become more and more real that we cannot ignore this reality of um of climate change and I think while who knows where US politics will go nationally that that increasingly the rest of the globe is reacting in other ways too and there will be pressures from that as well and as we know as of uh what ten or so days ago uh Leo Asuncion has taken over for Jay Griffin and it's gonna be a new commission with Leo's chair with Naomi as the new commissioner and of course any Potter so my question to you is Nicole uh if you had some some advice some guidance for for Leo as chair in terms of what he should prioritize what do you think he should prioritize moving forward uh during his his chair uh chairmanship of the public utilities commission what would you what would you offer to him um I mean I think the thing that the um public utilities commission should be prioritizing is ratepayers and consumers and you know that should always be at the forefront of what is in what's in their best interest in terms of well at least regarding energy you know reliability and affordability and all of those things and um I think the commission functions best when it's not political and when it's really being driven by technical expertise and um kind of an impartial weighing of the of the facts um that can still you know it's impossible for things not to sort of you know different people have different views of the world and that that weighs into it as well but I think just remembering the um the ratepayers at the end of the day who who have to pay these electric bills I think that is um that is what the PUC is there for right to regulate a monopoly that otherwise what could not be trusted to act in the best interests of the people of Hawaii so the people of Hawaii that should be put first well which to in my opinion to the credit of the public utilities commission under Jay Griffin with the performance-based regulation being one of the very first in the country in fact there was a great piece in the utility dive last week uh looking at Hawaii's implementation the first in the country as deep as we've as deep as has been done so setting the setting the standard in a sense for others to follow suit on the mainland so I think PBR is really important and you know I think under Jay and Jenny and Leo that there was a definitely a high priority on the value and the importance of what you just said so I cannot cannot imagine that won't continue under under Leo especially like I said with high energy prices so yeah we're actually going to have Leo on in a couple weeks so it'll be very interesting to here get his take as well. Nicole what would you leave with the public on an on energy environment and where we are? um yeah I mean I think that Hawaii both in terms of climate policy and energy policy has been a real leader and that push for that has come from the legislature um and that hasn't been without challenges uh but I think that that the end result of it has been you know that we're moving in the right direction and we have at least in terms I mean we are meeting our rps schools and are on track to exceed them um and uh and of course the the um war in Europe is causing energy prices to go up but we were seeing a trend in the opposite direction prior to that and that just really cameras home the importance of not being you know reliant on such a large percent of our energy being imported into the state that we need to rely more on local resources. Okay Marco it's time for you to thank Nicole. Thank you Nicole. Thank you for joining us and the time always goes by so two doing quickly and there's a still a number of things on my wish list to ask you but that's uh a great reason to have you back on the show again soon I hope so please thank you. Thank you Marco. Thank you. Thank you Nicole. Part two of our uh technical specific questions and not not if you had a magic wand. Don't be surprised if it happens again Nicole. Thank you. Thank you very much. Thank you both. Aloha. You can also follow us on Facebook, Instagram, Twitter and LinkedIn and donate to us at thinktecawaii.com. Mahalo.


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I am very passionate about financial inclusion projects and we are involved with our stakeholders in bringing about opportunities to initiate conversations around financial exclusion and how we can move as a country forward. Every day, I see the impact we create and I am proud to say that in helping people become more financially literate, we are aligned with the federal government and the UN Sustainable Development Goals to eradicate poverty, achieve zero hunger, promote gender equality and so much more. I consider this a unique and privileged opportunity. What am I most proud about? Oh, certainly that would be myself. I mean, I think about the journey, my journey and it is hard for me not to applaud myself if I look back to how far I have come. I am very proud of the fact that I seek daily to walk the path of transformation, giving myself the liberty to make mistakes and learn from it, but also I take each moment to celebrate the winds and stay in the cause even when I have doubts creeping in. That's not easy but to me. I am very afraid of losing faith, not making heaven as cliche as that sounds, not having enough time to spend with the people I love and also not extending enough grace to those I meet in proportion to how much grace I have enjoyed from the Almighty and the people around me. This year has been a really tough one for me. I mean so many things happened, but I will say this that at the end of it all, hope spoke so much louder than despair for me and I am truly very grateful for that. If I were to be elected as a president for one day, my priority would be, I mean Nigeria is a very complex nation and it's very hard to just see that I would do one thing. However, I think that I would seek to address the financial trajectory of this country at the heart of financial wellness are the principles of make, manage, multiply, and protect and I think it's the same thing at national level. How do we make money as a nation? What do we need to do to ensure consistent inflow of money? Now I think we would need to focus and build in local capacities and industries to the point where we're a production nation as against just the consuming one. Second thing is how do we manage money? First, the cost of governance must be drastically reduced. Government expenditure must be evaluated to reflect economic situation, focus and promote maintaining strategies instead of wastage. How do we multiply money? It would be my job to foster economic growth by incentivizing entrepreneurship and ensuring an enabling environment for startups and small businesses. Facilitating access to capital for businesses to expand, innovate and create more opportunities will be a definite way to increase local economies. I will also definitely promote financial literacy and investment education to empower individuals to make informed financial decisions, implement tax policies that incentivize long-term investments and wealth building activities which foster the culture of responsible and sustainable financial growth. The last will be how do we protect our assets as a nation? I will diversify the economy to reduce dependency on a single sector providing stability and protection against economic vulnerabilities. Now I think that the media act as a catalyst for national transformation by informing, educating, influencing, advocating and facilitating communication. It is very integral in shaping the narrative, fostering public engagement and contributing to the overall success of national, of transformational initiatives. I love to read, I like to travel, I like listening to music and definitely being around loved ones. My favorite show this year has got to be the episode with Terry Taylor where we discussed how more women can get into the seats of power. We explored some of the prevailing issues women often faced going into the political space and vying for a position, the impact of culture, the inequality that arises from gender bias and other mitigating factors. We also discussed what strategies to employ moving forward to ensure more female representation in politics and governance. Now, in case you can't remember, watch this. Thanks for staying with us now according to a news source. Despite clamors for improvement in women participation in public life across the world, Nigeria appears to be moving in the wrong direction now from 1990-1998. Only 157 women have been elected into the 469 member national assembly, 38 senators and 119 members of the House of Representatives compared to 2,657 men with about 616 senators and 2,041 reps during the same period. The results of the 25th February presidential and national assembly elections have further exposed Nigeria's failure to implement several treaties and status it signed, which are aimed to ensuring women's involvement in politics. Now, of course, the 92 women who contested for the Senate in the February elections, only three women won. While out of the 286 who contested for the seats of the House of Representatives, only 15 have been declared winners. It is our responsibility as citizens to learn from our mistakes and make decisions that will be for the benefits of the larger good. And today, we're asking how can we get more women into seats of power? Now, please, let's hear what you have to say. Remember, you can join the conversation. Send us an SMS or WhatsApp to read 1-803-4663. You can also tweet at us at Weissho Afqa 1 with the hashtag Weissho. In one or two minutes, quickly, how do you think you can help women get into power more? Advocacy, we need to get more women involved in politics and a lot of times that involves financing. We need to understand that there are roles to this thing. So if you discover what your strength is, you must be able to say that I'm giving this to you. I'm lending you my strength. I can campaign with you, but I can donate resources. This one can't do this. I can come with my intellectual capacity. So again, and then we need to be forgiving to other women. So I think people, we women need to support each other and then we're just discussing how the standard is always raised when you see a woman coming into a place of leadership. You don't now say, oh, when it's a man, it's like, okay, it's normal, whatever he does, he does. But then when it's a woman, I hope she will be able to do this. I hope she will be able to do that. Why? A woman is, she's a human being just as a man is, right? So I think we also, we need to recognize the on top capacity of women leadership. Absolutely. And do you know how interesting these elections went? Do you know that the people that actually did, not only did they vote, that's true to protect their votes. They were mostly women.  As long as you're a woman, I am here for you.   I think so. Because the real people that voted in these particular elections were women. No, but women are usually the powerhouse of electoral in elections. So you see them.  No, it is the women that will mobilize other women and say, listen, so we just need to channel that. So let me bring in our guests. Terry Taylor is a media professional and a TV producer with vast experience serving clients in both the public and private sector. She is the vice chairman environment of a leaky zone and is the environment secretary of leaky estate residence association. Terry Taylor is the duly nominated candidate of the youth party to represent Etiosa one at the state house of assembly in the just concluded 2023 elections that happened on Saturday. She's also campaigning on it or she campaigned rather on a class strategy to transform the environment and create jobs for many, many unemployed youth in the constituency or the political terminologies. But she's joined us live in the studio. Thank you so much, Terry Taylor. First of all, let me ask you for the just concluded elections. How was Saturday for you? Saturday was quite an interesting day for me. I was ready, you know, for to participate in the elections. My team and I had my agents in all the polling units across and we were basically good to go. But then we were watching out, you know, for when the materials come out and, you know, and then at that point we realized that my party had been excluded from the ballot for house of assembly in Etiosa one. Yes. So that was my experience. But still, I mean, it was a very busy day because like I said, we already had all of our logistics in place. So we had to still manage people, manage all of our agents all around, take care of welfare, just still keep things going. So that kept me busy all of Saturday. How did that keep? How did that? So how did that help? It had been an ongoing legal issue with INEC. But on the second of December, 2022, we had a judgment from the Supreme Court in our favor as a party saying INEC should allow us to participate as we are duly registered, you know, political party. Meanwhile, this is not my first time contesting. In 2021, at the local government elections, I was on the ballot on youth party. I ran for councilor of my world. So I've been on the ballot before on this same platform. Okay. And so when this happened, you know, we got the judgment on the second of December. So he was like, okay, you know what, you don't really expect INEC to just completely ignore and disobey Supreme Court judgments. But turns out that's exactly what they did. And so are you planning to pursue, take an illegal action or what's the plan going forward? Yes. I mean, so I mean, since I've been running this campaign since May last year, I declared in May, we did the primaries, we did the screening. So it's been a long stretch. I think I have done all that I know to do as a candidate in spite of all that uncertainty and all of that.  I took it all upon myself. I expended everything that I did. And this was the outcome, which is fine. I mean, this is online. They did this, you know, however, I think if the party wants to follow it up, they should. But I wouldn't need on that. I think I've done my part in the whole process. Why do I feel so disappointed that you are not pursuing it? Well, I mean, I hope it's pursued because yes, why should they ignore Supreme Court judgment? But I wouldn't need on it. You know, I'm a candidate. I have run a strong campaign. I've done everything. I've done my groundwork.  I had people come out.  Everybody who was supporting me, I had to send messages to them saying, this is what has happened. But please, you still need to go out and vote. And I made sure that I went out to vote. So imagine I took that House of Assembly, you know, paper, I saw myself excluded, but I voted because I wanted to let other people know that look, let's move on. It has to happen, you know. So that was that was it. And So just let's just stay small on that subject of the Saturday election. I saw you put up a post on the, what's it called, the tribal or religious bigotry, bigotry that went on on Saturday.   It was, I was disappointed and all of that. But like I said, I was busy. So it was easy to manage that and just carry on doing. But what really broke my heart was this tribal bigotry, you know, to just see that in. I mean, I have never experienced that before. You know what I mean? Like I've heard about tribal profiling, you know that it exists. But I, for the first time, I actually saw the face of it. I, you know what I mean? Like this is ugly. This is terrible. I don't ever want, this is not the Nigeria that I know or that I want to be, you know, I want for us, for all of us. So I felt the need to, you know, reach out because I just imagine that if I was on the receiving end of all that hate, you know, you've lived somewhere all of your life, you have a sense of kinship with everybody there. I mean, we don't see, I don't, I don't see tribe and I've lived in Lagos all my life really. I don't see people on the basis of where they are from or I just see everybody, we're all Nigerians.  And I thought, you know what, no, we need to reach out to the people, you know, who have been directly affected by this. We need to, you know, sort of all just find a way to sort of heal from this because it really is bad. And the thing about it that even scared me the most was we all, people talk about, you know, separating living Nigeria, they talk about Biafra, they talk about all of that. And I'm always, I've always been a very strong advocate for one Nigeria. I believe that, you know, one Nigeria is a non-negotiable. We should always find a way to hold together. But for the first time, I sort of understood where the argument comes from. Yes, I totally understood it because I'm like, you know what, if I was on the receiving end of that, I would say, let's keep going, keep going, yes, I'm going to go back here. But I don't want us to all get there. We can't afford to get there because we are better off together. So the healing needs to start, it needs to be, it needs to be urgent, it needs to be strategic. It's all hands on deck. We all have a responsibility to reach out. And I think the person I would pin this on is the CNC. What do they call the person? You know, you're the CNC in charge of the state. A lot happened. Again, these people thought they were fighting your battle. So that's why they were calling out and calling a particular tribe.  You can't ignore it. I'm sorry, you cannot.  They are that industrious. So you can't just wake up and because of politics, ignore the kind of financial return that these people bring for you as a people. So I mean, we will take a very short break.  Stay with us. We'll just go out and be right back. Stay with us. All right. Thanks for staying with us. Now, if you just tuned in, we're having a conversation and we're asking how can we get more women in the seats of power? And we have a woman, she's been in political scene for a while and she's been contesting, you know, she's here with us, you know, to discuss more about this, right? And please let's hear what you have to say. Remember, you can join the conversation, send us an SMS or WhatsApp to<PHONE_NUMBER>. You can also tweet at us at Weshaw Africa, one with the hashtag Weshaw. All right. So, Terry, let's now move to the conversation around women. I mean, when the Adamora State elections, it was going, everybody was so excited. Oh, what a Mother's Day gift, you know, and all of that. You know, even me, I took the picture that I'd seen online, I put it on my status. I felt very proud. I felt very like, okay, yes, you know, I can see somebody like me, you know.  And she ran a very tight race, right? But when, of course, they broke my heart. First of all, people were saying that, why were we congratulating her? We made it, you know, we jinxed it, you know, it was too early that, and we're over hyping, we're over celebrating her. People didn't understand what it was. It was a win for all women. But this issue around women in leadership, right? It's a big deal. I mean, Diora mentioned finance, children were talking about standards, how we put a lot of expectations, when is a woman that is running, but when is a man, nobody's asking those kinds of questions. How do we truly get women, you know, more women to occupy seats of power? There's a law that says we must feel 35%. No, not even following that, and nobody's even questioning it. So how do we even start? Where do we start from if we really want to follow through? And I like what you said about strategy, because me, I'm not about emotions anymore. After this election, they have opened my eye to see that it's not about emotions. We just need to be very strategic. So how do we strategically get more women seated at high levels of power? So first of all, more women have to desire it. More women have to want that power and to be in those and to occupy those offices. So when you have more women wanting it, and not just wanting it to be handed over to them, but wanting, but willing to put in the work, you know, and go into political parties, you can, you can just sit here and wish, wish yourself into office. You have to go into a political party. You have to be part of the political party system, because our electoral act doesn't allow for independent candidates. So you have to be part of a political party for them to present you as a candidate. And that is a, you know, that is a race on its own. You know, it's not, you're not just going to get up doing elections and say, I want to join a political party. If you want to be elected in 2027, you have to start to work. Join the party now. You know, join the party, get find yourself a role, start to add value, start to volunteer, you know, let people know you, let people even within the party start to know you, start to trust you. So that when you now come out and say, oh, I want to, you know, buy the form for one position or the other, there will be people who will back through, there will be delegates who are willing to vote for you. But if you just come out of nowhere and just expect that there will be some sort of, because your handouts, you know, it will just be handed over to you, that is completely wrong. And that is why a lot of people in the parties will not even respect a woman who will come up because they're like, why should we all just hand it over to you because they are doing 35%? No, you have to fight for it as well. So I think that it's a joint understanding. If the political parties are more willing to put forward more women, so they can now put in within their processes things that will allow for that, you know, to happen. For example, maybe they would, in my party, when I was running, like running for House of Assembly now, so the form for the House of Assembly was a millionaire, but because I'm a woman, I got it for 500,000. So that's a little incentive, you know, you can do with the forms. And I know that different parties do it. Some even give for free. But I don't, I think you should pay for the form. I think you should pay for the form. It's your own first investment into your own. So pay for it for my pay. I would advise anyone to. I actually think so too. It's your way of committing and saying, I'm going to do this and I'm going to take the money and I'm going to invest in this. So it's you committing to it and it shows your seriousness, to be honest. You would appreciate to form better when you have it and give it to you, you know. So more of those sort of incentives, you know, will allow men feel that, okay, if a campaign is not going to be too expensive, I don't have to go and sell my house. If I'm going to get the funding to do it, like you said, you know, it would encourage more people.   Be the one to provide food, to provide welfare when people need.  But when you show people that there's nothing for you to be afraid of, I'm somebody you can trust. I'm somebody that you even want to be in power because you know that it's a benefit to you know what I mean. So once you can make yourself that way to people, it reduces those barriers. And you'll be surprised that it's even the men that will be pushing you forward and say, no, let her be the one that has been my experience, even in, you know, the, in Lyra, in Leckie, you know, where I occupy some positions, I've always been recommended by, you know, men who have pushed me forward and said, you know, she will do the work, she will get it done.   But that's because I've paid my dues in that sense, I've been, I've always been available, always been accessible, they know that if they want something done, she will get it done, you know, so it builds that trust over time. Okay, so I wanted to add something to where you say, I often find that women think that being soft and, you know, all that vulnerability is a weakness for them. So a lot of times we tend to think, no, I have to come across like, you know, very, very aggressive. And I don't think that's the way to go. I honestly think that we can weaponize that softness. It can become a strategy because people naturally gravitate towards empathy. And we have that in abundance, I mean, well, most women, you know, and we can use that where the ones that can easily relate to the grassroots women, you understand what it means for her to go through all the trouble to feed her kids, you understand what it means for her to put two Nara, three Nara together to say, okay, I want to feed my family. And I honestly, because a lot of women I speak to, they go like, oh, I need to, you know, once I'm in that position, I need to be very tough so that all these people won't be looking at me like I'm too soft or somebody wants to take advantage. No, just be your natural self and just let it play out. People that would, everybody would, and I, again, I think for women, we want everybody to like us. Everybody will not like us. Everybody will not accept us. You know, I totally agree with you. I do. It's even false when you try to be something you are not. There are some women who by their personality type are aggressive and come across strongly. That's fine if that's your personality. But there are other people who are maybe a bit reserved, a bit soft spoken, and people would imagine that that would mean you won't get the respect of people out there. But I think it's even this Madame Binani in Adamawa, when I first of all heard or saw her that she was running, I then said, let me go and look for a video of her because I wanted to like experience what she was like. And I was so shocked at how soft spoken and like very gentle, you know, mannered she is. And I was like, okay, that's interesting. She's not the stereotype that you describe as brash, aggressive and all that. And it was welcoming and refreshing to me to see that because I was like, I'm happy that she's just an easygoing woman, like every, well, she appears to be an easygoing woman, like every other person you know. And I think for me, that's a winner. Just be yourself. Be your authentic self. The people that will gravitate to you if you're aggressive will gravitate to you. The people that will gravitate to you if you're gentle will gravitate to you. So just be yourself. Okay, so I like what you said about putting in the work, right? But then it's been said because I remember that there was a particular candidate with the party who was a woman and then she was also young. So it wasn't even just because she was a woman now. Also because she was young, she didn't get the presidential ticket she was trying to get at the time. So what would you have to say about that? Um, well, I don't know the exact, you know. No, I'm talking generally now. You're referring to. But I would say, you know, I'm not of the school of thought. You were saying it earlier. I slightly have a different way of looking at it. I'm not of the school of thought of saying I would just support someone because she's a woman. No, I'm sorry. It's not that easy. No, you have to earn my respect. You have to earn my vote. You have to earn my, my, you know, like every other person, I don't, I don't see things like that. I won't, yes, I may be a little bit more biased in terms of giving you more of my attention or being more sympathetic in the way I view your, but I will not automatically just vote for someone because she's a woman. I'm sorry. You have to take the boxes. There has to be competence. I have to see your character and feel like you're somebody I can trust with leadership. You know, I'm not just going to do that. So, and I don't really, I know, I understand the urgent need for more women to be in politics and in government, but it should be the right woman. I want to ask a question. It should be the right woman. These same standards that you have just said now, do you put it for men? Which same standards? Because you see, people have heard these arguments and all of that. I've heard, I've heard this argument about competence, character and all of that. I do. The crop of leaders that we have today, can you categorically say that there is competence as character? Some. Some. It's not an abundance of them. It's not. It's very minimal. But you see, so the way I'm driving with the conversation is the point I'm trying to make is that, in terms of all that criteria of competence and character and all of that, if you put all the crops of everybody together, so let them all be in competence together as far as I'm concerned, because again, no, it's true because we've tried out men for so long. Imagine if we had women in the seats of power, right? Like this is policy makers, especially women. No, I'm talking about a good number for policy makers, especially not really the executive. So like the critical mass, the critical mass of women, especially where some policies are being crafted. There is a way a woman would craft. There's a way you would craft the policy that would be completely different from how a man would craft that policy. Right? So let me just step aside, because that competence matter. I said, after this election, I don't want to know what you are. The fact that we are disappointed by, it's like those jokes, those memes you always see on this, what I ordered versus what I got. What I got. Let all of your dreams run thin. It's true. The fact that we are disappointed doesn't mean you should give up. I would not. How would we ever get what we want. We don't persist. So let me just quickly divert a bit. I want to digress a bit. I want to focus on you a little bit.  Now, look at Binani. She ran under a very strong political party. The ruling party. It's a ruling party. Now, I want to understand the role of the party for women. Because again, I see that a lot of the smaller parties are very quick to give tickets and all of that to women and all of that. They are very quick to do all of those things. But when it comes to the bigger parties, the big political parties, the big political players, it's very difficult. So for her to have gotten that ticket, you would know that the kind of work she must have put in. She would have matched maybe 10 men. Because she would have done 10 times what the men would have done for her to have gotten that seat. So the question I'm trying to ask is, is it wisdom anymore for women that are trying to put themselves, if we want to start to increase our seats of power, is it wisdom for us to continue to run under smaller parties or we should start considering the bigger players? Well, that's a question for every politician, but speaking specifically to women, you know, as a politician, generally, I don't even like to just gender, gender, genderize it or how do I call it. You want to be standing on a firm foundation. Look at what happened to me. You know, yes, I've run on this party before and I have been on the ballot, but you know, the way it went because of the, I mean, I just decided to do what they did. But it would be, there have been candidates from even the more established parties who have been excluded. You know, we all know the presidential elections is not every party that was on the ballot for that. You know, sometimes because of legal issues or whatever, it could happen. But I think that going forward, it is very important. But it's a two way, it's a two way thing. Yes, I agree with you. And I think that we should be in those more established parties because it provides a stronger platform to run on. They have more structure, this word, they have more, but it's a reality. There is more structure. There is more, of course, with INEC, it's harder for INEC to mess with them and all of that like that. But there's also the idea of the culture that has formed within that party. And would this allow us to get the best woman out at the end of the day? If there is a culture of impunity or lack of internal literacy, or what if the woman, they just even, what if she bought the ticket? We should still support her because she's a woman. What if she was, she has a godfather or godmother, somebody that just put her there, we should still support her just because she's a woman. So those double standards kind of exist. If Madame Binani had won, and I mean, I was rooting for her, I would have liked her too because I thought, okay, this woman looks good. But if there's a flaw with the system, should we say, oh, let them just give her job because she's a woman? Shouldn't the right thing be done? Shouldn't there be fair and credible elections? So I don't think we should just wish away those standards because we want to see. What are your thoughts on this special seats being designated for women, especially when the current assembly is saying, oh, maybe we don't have seats to give, and then women are saying, okay, you know. Why don't you just create your seats? What are your thoughts on this? So special seats and, well, so are you asking me about creating more seats for women? I think government is already too expensive to do more. To do more seats. So the cost of governance in Nigeria is too high. So when you add more seats, there's more constituency offices, more staff for the people, more allowance. So it's just going to blow the government more. But can we start with 35 percent? We have said 35 percent. That's a form of affirmative action. Let's even try with that one first. There's no need to have the assembly too bulky with too many seats. Let's work with what we have. So you said something about free and frank, free and credible elections. So a lot of people have accused, they said that it is impossible for political parties not to rig elections. Do you believe that? That even the party that, you know, that everybody say, oh, this is that they are, that all of them from top to bottom, they rig elections. Do you agree with that? Well, who is in political parties? It's people like you and me, people who make decisions, who take decisions. So it's not as if the party is just one abstract institution that would just rig. No. They have soldiers that they send out to smash followed boxes. They have agents that go out to pay people, you know, for their votes. They have masterminds who sit down and strategize the whole thing. So this is people like you and me. So until we reach the individual people and all somehow have a change of orientation, it will not be different. The party systems will still be this, you know, intrinsically corrupt until the people change their minds and people will never change their minds if there's no, if there's no consequences. So the law has to be enforced. People that are caught for electoral fraud and rigging and all that, they need to be persecuted. We need to see the full wrath of the law come upon them. That's how you would dissuade other people. But if we just say it and pay lip service to it, nothing is going to change, you know, people are still going to keep on doing what they're doing. Okay. Good evening, my dear beautiful sisters of what I say in hashtag ways. How can we get more women into seat of power? Firstly, they have to make themselves available to contest for positions in office. Then they can be voted for. Secondly, they need encouragement. Also, me personally, I have mentioned it so many times in my previous comments that women can deliver if given the chance to. Women generally are passionate for a change. The previous government promised us change for eight years and failed to deliver. If a woman was there, I'm sure there will be a change. Also, men can rig themselves into power where I don't think women will. I will personally vote a woman for the post of president. You ladies abandoned me last week. I was sad watching the program. My name is Daniel. Okay. How can we get more women into the seats of power? I believe women who want to be the seat of power should be very intentional about it. Just like freedom is not given but taken the same way women who want power should learn to wrestle for power. They should not come with the attitude of being pitied. They should come with confidence, boldness. Every seat of power that every seat of power requires. Women who seek for the seat of power should do so. We respect honor and integrity. They should learn to join any political party of their choice and work themselves up from there. We have women in different places of the world and those women did not have two heads, but won't like all the other women in the world. See that thing, you see? Respect honor and integrity. You know what? Nobody can win this argument. I say, after what has happened in this general election, nobody should tell me anything. We really need to marshal our strength. Yeah, we have to be strated. But if you had one final thing to say, because now there's a lot of disappointment in the air, and like you rightly said, it's not really about the political party. It was more of INEC. So INEC has really done a lot more damage than they can even evaluate. They don't know the extent of the damage yet until maybe 2027. They will know how far this went. So if you had anything to say to anybody, I love what you said about starting now. How do we start being strategic? I mean, as a woman that is out there or anybody that wants to go, that's really serious about getting into a seat of power. How do we start now? Join a political party first. And if you're already a member of a political party, I think in everything, every great venture starts with you first.   Okay, what value are you bringing to the table? What will you be recognized for? When people are having a conversation about how they want to allocate power, where will your name come out? So you have to build that value, which is why you go into the party. Or even if it's not everybody can be a politician, some people may want to give value in their community just as a private sitting like I was doing in Lera or whatever. What is the area that you want to make a contribution? If you frame it that way, it will be easier for you to gravitate towards that platform or where it is that you know you can find value. So I think we should first of all start with our thinking. Let us start looking, let us start thinking in terms of what can I give, what contribution can I make, and what sort of opportunities should I engage with that would take me to the platforms that I need to get to. So now that they say we should go to our places, I should go and do it in the middle states. Nobody said you should go. Don't let it go. I should go and do it in the middle states. I should go and do it in the middle states. I should go and do it in the middle states. Because I am an adult there. But thank you so much. I think we had a fantastic conversation. Honestly, I just want to have a breath of fresh air going forward because I'm really tired. But thank you so much, ladies. Thank you, Tara. It's a fantastic conversation. Thank you, Chinelo and Adeela. Now, before we go, I show you follow-ups across all our social media handles that waste your Africa. 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Question is from Joel Carnes three. If I lift heavy, will it cause my joints to hurt over time? If so, is there any way to prevent it? Uh, yes and no. Okay, right. Yeah, it's just, it really depends how you lift heavy, how good your mobility is. That being said, and how often and how often you cycle out of that. But that being said, if you're constantly testing, you're pushing your body, even if you do everything perfect, at some point, you know, a 180 pound guy squatting, you know, 350 pounds or 400 pounds or deadlifting 500 pounds. That is a lot of weight. Pressuring the hinges constantly. Yeah. So at some point, maybe, you know, you might, you, it might cause some joint pain, but the big bulk of whether or not it does or not has to do with your mobility and your technique. That's really the most of it.   Like, you know, and I think that most people, and we talk about this a lot. Like, I think we, we all love to lift heavy. Um, and I, I tend to stick in that phase longer than when I should. And the first sign of, I know I need to get out of it is the, the achy joints. It's like, once I start feeling that, um, or caught a feeling tight all the time, right? Let losing mobility. Uh, I know that I've stayed in that phase too long. It's time for me to move out of it. So I think as far as how long you can lift heavy, you, I think you can lift heavy for years and years forever. If you learn to cycle in and out of it and give yourself that recovery. Yeah, absolutely.  I want to, I want to put the effort in to constantly have in my routine, a plan to, you know, make sure I maintain the mobility and the strength around the joints to really then keep applying that type of, you know, demand and load and pressure, uh, you know, for my muscles to, to respond to. So, um, but yeah, you still have to weave in and out of it because you inevitably you're going to get to a point where, you know, you're really pressing outside of the limitations there and you know, you don't always know what that looks like, especially if you're really kind of grinding out like a super heavy load. So yeah, testing your max all the time would be where I'd say, well, we got to be careful. But look, I tell you what, I train a lot of older people for a long time. I'd say at least for 10 years of my career, I specialized in training people over the age of 60 and I had them do heavy phases and all of them got better joint mobility and better movement and felt better. This is true. You know, I'm talking about the guy or girl who pushes themselves to the point where they're hitting PRs and they're lifting a lot of weight on top of it. Then you got to be careful. Like once you reach a certain level of strength, then you got to because when I look at, here's the deal, I take the average guy who's 180 pounds, 200 pounds and I have them do a strength cycle. We might get up to, you know, 250 pound deadlifts or something like that, right? After years and years of training, like if you look at me, I've been working out for a long time, my heavy deadlifts are 500 plus pounds. If I make one small movement wrong in my deadlift with 500 pounds, the odds I'll hurt myself for higher than the dude that is still lifting heavy for himself, but it's only 250 pounds. That's a good point. So that's when it starts to kind of, you got to be careful. I'll use Dugget as an example. He hired me in his 40s with back pain. It's actually the main reason why he hired me. We did, and we did it properly, of course. We worked on, you know, getting his, building his body up the right way, but we had him deadlifting, you know, 350 close to 400 pounds. His back pain was gone, you know, so lifting heavy in that case actually benefited the pain and made him feel a lot better.  I think the problems from lifting heavy, aside from poor mobility, poor movement, poor technique, the problems come from always trying to beat your previous best. At least that's my case. If I ever hurt myself, it's not from lifting heavy. It's from trying to beat what I did before. That's when I start to get into troubles. Like, all right, I know what my max was before. Let me see if I can beat this. And heavy is very relative to where you're at currently at that moment, right? So like heavy deadlifting right now for me is like in the low 400s, low 400s, that's really heavy for me right now. It's just I don't have the same strength as when I was pulling 550, so I can't think about the 550. I can't go into this deadlift session. Like, if I'm going to deadlift today, which is on my calendar, if I go to deadlift today and I decide today is a heavy day, well, just because I was lifting well and deep into the 400s doesn't mean that that will be a heavy day for me today. So learning to adjust where you're currently at for what's heavy. And I think some like it's a good point, Sal. Because I think a lot of people compare, oh, this isn't that heavy for me. I've done way more than this. Well, it could be very heavy for you right now. If you haven't gotten to sleep, yeah, you're doing the same muscle mass as you had on back then. So learning to adjust that is so important to also taking care of your joints. And we just recently saw Dexter Jackson compete in the Arnold Classic. He got second place. He's in his fifties. He's the most winningest bodybuilder of all time.  Pro bodybuilders obviously are at a different level. They train themselves. This guy's in his mid fifties. No injuries. Great movement, great mobility. But if you watch him how he works out, he's very careful with his form and technique. Very different from Ronnie Coleman.  And that poor guy is suffering quite a bit. And you can see this down the list of these bodybuilders, Vince Taylor, another guy, I believe in his sixties now, that guy competed into his fifties. He was also very careful with the way he lifted weights and all the people that I've ever worked out with or had worked out in my gyms that were in their sixties, seventies and even eighties with great fitness. They were just smart. You know what I mean?  They were just very smart with how they worked out and and their form of heavy lifting, which was smart, is what kept them away from pain. Not the other way around.


From Carnegie Studios in Long Rock, Colorado, it's Huppet News. Good evening. I'm Herman Hansen and like I am so sure. And I'm Aranda Lahairher. And here is this week's news. With nearly two-thirds of the United States abnormally dry or worse, the government's spring forecast offers little hope for relief, especially in the West where a devastating mega drought has taken root and worsened. The National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration's official spring outlook Thursday sees an expanding drought with a drier than normal April, May and June for large swath of the country from Louisiana to Oregon, including some areas hardest hit by the most severe drought. We are predicting prolonged and widespread drought, National Weather Service Deputy Director Mary Erickson said. It's definitely something we're watching and very concerned about. Thursday's National Drought Monitor shows almost 66% of the nation is in an abnormally dry condition, the highest mid-March level since 2002. More than 44% of the nation is in moderate or worse drought, and nearly 18% is an extreme or exceptional drought, all of it west of the Mississippi River. Climate scientists are calling what's happening in the West a mega drought that started in 1999. Winter and spring wheat crops have also been hit hard by the western drought with 78% of the spring wheat production area in drought conditions. The dry, warm conditions in the upcoming months likely will bring an enhanced wildfire season, said John Gottschalk, Chief of NOAA's prediction branch. Daniel Swain of UCLA said the wildfires probably will not be as bad as 2020, because so much vegetation already has burned and drought conditions retarded regrowth. Last year he said wildfire was so massive it will be hard to exceed, though this fire season likely will be above average. Drought and heat breed a vicious cycle. When it's this dry, less of the sun's energy goes to evaporating soil moisture because it's not as wet, Swain said. That leaves more of the energy to heat up the air, and the heat makes the drought worse by boosting evaporation. 11 people have died this year from avalanches in Colorado. Historic snowfalls last weekend prompted the Colorado Avalanche Information Center to issue an avalanche warning across the front range. The number of deaths is only one away from a record set in 1993, and experts believe the count of deaths this year is higher due to more seeking the backcountry to ski rather than resorts. I think it's a little bit of the uncertainty of the ski resorts. People are worried if they're going to be open or not is one, and two, you need to have reservations. And three, people's comfort levels of being around other people, said Matt Bird, uh, yeah, co-owner of Longmont Ski Shop Angles Sports Exchange. So going into the backcountry, there aren't any reservations, and there are no times they're open or closed, and there's probably not many people around you. So there's a lot of reasons people are choosing to go to the backcountry route. Dustin Dyer, co-owner and director of Kitt Mountain Adventure Center, another organization focused on avalanche safety, said, what I think it is, is the influx of new people flooding the places experienced people used to ski, which is pushing them into new zones they don't know as well. A Facebook page appearing to belong to a Georgia Sheriff's Office spokesperson who was helping to investigate the recent massage parlors slings, promoted a t-shirt with racist language about China and the coronavirus last year. The Facebook account belonging to a Jay Baker features numerous photos of Cherokee County Sheriff's Captain Jay Baker going back months, including one in which he is in uniform outside the Sheriff's Office. The account was deleted Wednesday night. Baker also came under criticism for saying Wednesday that the 21-year-old man accused of carrying out the massacres had had a bad day. Asian American activists said Baker's comments and the Facebook post undermine public confidence that investigators are adequately addressing Tuesday's atrocity. Six of the eight victims of Tuesday's attacks were of Asian descent, including two of the four victims who were killed in Cherokee County. Baker did not respond to voicemails and an email requesting comment on the Facebook post. The Sheriff's Office also did not immediately respond to a message seeking comment. Longmont will continue to participate in a $100,000 region-wide effort to monitor unregulated compounds that make it into the city's drinking water supply. By a unanimous vote Tuesday night, City Council agreed, an amendment to a pact with the Northern Colorado Water Conservancy District to gauge the presence and concentrations of pharmaceuticals, personal care products, hormones, and pesticides in water sources. The program monitors contaminants from a variety of sources, including wastewater, runoff from lawns and agriculture and recreation. Monitoring is conducted biannually at more than 20 sampling locations to assess impacts of trends and changes in water quality. The effort also helps assess the impacts from adverse events such as floods and wildfires. China has protested to the United States and Japan. Over a joint statement, it said maliciously attacked its foreign policy and seriously interfered in China's internal affairs. The Foreign Ministry said Wednesday. Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesperson Zhao Lijian said China was strongly dissatisfied and resolutely opposed to the statement. His comments came a day before U.S. Secretary of State Anthony Blinken is due to meet with Chinese Foreign Minister Wang Yi and top foreign policy adviser Yang Jiechi in Alaska. The China-Japan statement expressed concern over threats to Taiwan, Beijing's human rights violations in Xinjiang, its activities in the South China Sea, and unilateral action that seeks to change the status quo over Japan-controlled East China Sea Islands that China also claims. There was no indication that the Alaska talks had been derailed, and Zhao said China was prepared to discuss its policies on Xinjiang and Hong Kong. Blinken and U.S. Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin held talks with Japanese Foreign Minister Toshimitsu Motegi and Defense Minister Nobuo Kishi Tuesday, afterwards saying that democracy and human rights are being challenged, and the United States will push with its partners for free and open Indo-Pacific. Blinken said the Biden administration is committed to work with the U.S. allies as they face challenges from China and its ally North Korea, which is pursuing an illicit nuclear weapons program. Blinken has said the Alaska meeting is part of an effort to introduce new clarity into the relationship between the world's two biggest economies. Waumont Summer Day camps will commence on Memorial Day weekend and span until mid-August with groups of 15 enjoying a variety of activities around the St. Brain Memorial Building. Summer camps won't be allowed to take field trips, swimming will be limited, social distancing will be encouraged, and staff and campers 11 and older will be required to wear masks during the day. Sunset pool, meanwhile, is scheduled to open May 28th, with reservations still required to limit capacity. Reservations also are required at all other Waumont Recreation Facilities, as Boulder County remains at the yellow status on the state's COVID-19 dial. A bipartisan group of U.S. Senators and Congressmen is urging the federal government not to approve recommendations to remove 144 cities from the designation of metropolitan statistical areas. Re-classifying them as micro-polletin would put key federal funding at risk, they said. The request comes after the Associated Press reported this month that the federal government is contemplating raising the population criteria for core cities in metro areas from 50,000 residents to 100,000 residents. Doing so would reclassify more than a third of the current 392 metro areas as micro-polletin statistical areas. Officials in some of the effective cities worry that the change could have adverse implications for federal funding and economic development, since some housing, transportation, and Medicare reimbursement programs are directed specifically to metropolitan statistical areas. If approved, it wouldn't take effect until 2023. Statisticians who recommended changing the definition of a metro area say it's long overdue, given that the U.S. population has more than doubled since the 50,000-person threshold was introduced in 1950. Back then, about half of U.S. residents lived in metros, now 86% do. Scores of city leaders and rural researchers have also written, urging the Office of Management and Budget to reject the proposal. The city manager of Mankato, Minnesota, estimated that her community would lose directly $400,000 in funding that goes toward homeless shelters, affordable housing, and medical care to the uninsured. This federal funding also leverages other low-income housing projects, said Susan Arns. Another concern for many metros' areas at risk of being reclassified is that they will have less name recognition outside their region, George Hammond, a University of Arizona economist said Tuesday during an online seminar about the topics sponsored by the National Association for Business Economics and the Association for University Business and Economic Research. U.S. Russia ties nosedived on Thursday after Russian leader Vladimir Putin shot back at President Joe Biden's description of him as a killer. The back-and-forth underscored Biden's desire to distance himself from former President Donald Trump's perceived softness on Putin despite actions his administration took against Russia. Although Biden agreed to extend a major arms control deal with Russia, he has been notably cool toward Moscow and highly critical of many of its activities. In taking a tough stance on Russia, Biden has said the days of the U.S. rolling over to Putin are done, and he has taken pains to contrast his style with the approach of Trump who avoided direct confrontation and frequently spoke about Putin with approval. In an interview broadcast Wednesday, Biden replied, I do when asked if he thought Putin was a killer. Also Wednesday, U.S. intelligence released a report finding that Putin authorized influence operations to help Trump's reelection bid. Later that day, Putin recalled his ambassador to the U.S., and on Thursday he pointed at the U.S. history of slavery and slaughtering Native Americans and the atomic bombing of Japan in World War II. Responding to that, the White House said Biden would continue to look to work with Putin on areas of mutual concern but stress that he was not going to hold back when he has concerns about Putin's actions. Putin had been asked about Biden's comment during a video call marking the anniversary of Russia's 2014 annexation of Crimea, and he responded along the lines of, it takes one to know one, saying his counterparts' words reflected the United States' own problems. At the same time, he offered to have a phone call with Biden to discuss issues of mutual interest. And that's all we have time for. For Puppet News, I'm Hanson Schmanzin. And I'm Aranda Laheyarher. Good night.