What can't hit spot don't hit spot I said start. That's a different thing Don't hit him. That's a wrong thing Which was which was the wrong thing start a spot hitting spot Yeah, don't hit spot No one's wrong here today. I just realized No one drew spot yesterday Through that was weird.  He's going off to the Greyhaven's He's leaving the world of men His time has passed. He was always I think I feel above the world of men. I think so too And he would never claim that because he's very humble. He yeah, he wept tears for the world of men Yes Public and live Question is Actable by the average human being Yep, I have it open right now use my YouTube radar. Maybe I can figure it out Yep, I can see people in China. They've discovered the stream found out Damn it. Oh, that's too bad. I just wanted to talk about she little cartoon show for children peace, but oh well Oh well Oh My god, how can you Done? Oh my god.   Griffin I want to know about our opinions. So they're like his money. Tell me your opinion Some people's opinions are really worth you're on here Hey thinking that about right who's in this call you think? Let me hose one two three four five six seven eight Random number Wait, what are we doing? I'm determining who has the most the shittiest opinion. All right. Check Twitter. It's me number. Well that one can't be right All right, it's metal You You have to be nice to me at least another three four ish hours Everybody in chat It's still my birthday That's crazy Thank you It's still your birthday. Yeah, it's like it's like it's a birthday for the rest of us What why is Chad saying to do this Just let me know I put do the twice in the title Double wow haste someone's look that's good that's good for SEO. I'm good in the algorithm right now. I I saw that our horses are reacted to that debate. Yeah, I've just made two videos about me.  There was a mystery little and neat We're gonna talk about it. Okay, sure Well, thanks Chad for all the birthday wishes. Thank you. Thank you. It's very nice of you. Very gracious for a general Kind they're all right sometimes Yeah, they have no moments they have no moments. Yeah, you're in for a wild ride chat Once again, we've done this before with many things You're gonna have to wait until right at the end until any of us slapping numbers on it Explode with anger or agreement either way But I think I love how people explode with agreement.  That's already out there Livestream that you were watching that one. Oh the bit that you were there for You're gonna have to fill in the rest of us It wasn't debate it was that was a different one I'm uploading the one where I react to a relevant we can mention I was trying to talk to a relevant he said he's gonna have me on and then he got busy unfortunately So lost and confused He probably is we're friends, but I I don't I don't I have some issues with what he said I'm gonna put it that way. Um, I do as well. You can tell people you're doing on Twitch I am streaming on Twitch twitch.tv slash JX. See that's that's exactly what you'd expect. Is it all one word? Yes, it is. There you go easy You've got a regular slot or you just randomly wampin in Just randomly wamp. All right. That's the way I like it. Um I stream I stream for five minutes every hour I'm going to go ahead and guess that the people who are listening to this on VOD. This is a nine-hour video So we better get started Yeah, you only nine Yeah, I feel like that's a good guess. We'll see we'll see if I'm 100% wrong or not I'm a little bit. It's unfair because I'm gonna let it end it whenever I want, but we'll see I can make myself correct, but yeah, we'll probably do it the same style We always do a chronological breakdown and then conclusions, but not before everyone given a little blurb on what they think of the show Rags, can you do your random numbery thing again? And that's how we'll determine who what order people will talk a little bit about what they thought of the show overall That's a great idea minimum one maximum one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight All right I will now generate a number and that number is four J is first go Jay. Oh, I liked it a lot I was much more in I found it to be much more impressive than I found myself invested in it in points though There were in the first three episodes, I would think this is really well written and Executed and animated I can tell but the investment wasn't particularly there for more there for me until the next two episodes I was crazy invested in the middle I then my investment slipped again towards the end, but I was still recognizing that it was a massive a massively well-made show The high the the things that I am most impressed with or I guess most invested with the elements that are most invested under the characters At my jinx Victor and Caitlyn being like my personal favorites I Invested in the character relationships that we get and I am Very impressed with the show and the animation as well as it's just gorgeous the whole time Very well Braggs, who's next? Let me hit the number generator button and we shall find out Generate number six. It's metal. Oh, that's me. I like the show a whole bunch It was really nice and good.   I'm in I want to see everything now Looks awesome a lot of lots of Well-written characters in there I would say yeah, I think that's that's my little blurb go ahead Okie-dokie, let's see who's next just one thing. I sort of funny someone in chat was saying their favorite characters of the professor and Vance Also like Vance Next up it's number five. It's smaller. Oh my goodness So I originally watched this after about a month of people recommending it to me And maybe I've got the timeline wrong there, but me and for you were like hmm this or afterlife you'll need to watch that by the way I've heard it's very good So well I guess we'll throw this on I don't know there's like first two episodes were like this is a fine show Nothing really that's that's stimulating the old heart and brain though that much and then episode three happened We've gone over this couple times on different streams It was just surprising shocking we'll get there in terms of bold storytelling choices as well as A couple of scenes that are just fucking top tier for storytelling. I am oh and from that point I was just hooked and watched Read straight through to the rest. I Was pretty invested in a lot of things. It was only on subsequent Viewings of the show that I picked up a shit ton more that was in it and it Constantly makes me think about the nature of actually absorbing Stories and how much I pick up subconsciously before consciously because of I think I liked this show more than I had picked up About it at first but at this point I've got like infinite things to say about basically every person involved and The world the plot line. It's absolutely better than it has any fucking right to be it doesn't make any sense Almost that this is this good and it's a treat It was a really wonderful thing to be able to watch not just because I think it's pretty well written But it's cool to have such a crazy fantasy sci-fi world that isn't absolute garbage which we often get these days because Man, I mean, you know, I say that as if this will this will change things Lord the Rings is on its way brace for impact with that one and Yeah, oh, I don't know if there's any with while special mentions rather than just we'll eventually get into the the whole thing but Yeah, got some some some great plot lines happening some really fun uses of challenging characters a villain that For all intents and purposes is scoring incredibly high with basically everybody and it's been a while since we've had one of them I would say with new stuff. Yeah And I was pretty much fully invested in everybody. There wasn't really a story where I was like more of this, I guess Which was really fun for me Next up The number generator I have to hit it until it, you know, gives me what I want life is Getting repeat numbers. I know a different service you can use that doesn't do it I mean, we're only doing today. It's not that huge deal. It's alright. It was me next. It is. Oh my god Okay, well, I've been playing League of Legends for a very very long time since season 2 So that's like 10 years or so.  I really really like this show It's amazing All right, I thought you know just just everything Theo said everything that Theo said was just just incredible I was I was all for it. That was great Next up It's doomer Hey So I'm a really big fan of the show Probably some people in chat know that I'm in the middle of like what's probably gonna be at this point at two and a half Maybe three hour video talking about it I think it is very good And I need to get that out of the way up front because I'm assuming I will end up being the most critical person And that's not because I don't like it That's because I think it is good enough that it deserves to not be treated with kid gloves You know taken seriously, which is just saying that is very very high praise coming for me I think it's a I think it's incredibly good. I Don't think it's perfect. There are some areas where I wish it was better But like if I had to sum it up in a very brief Like sentence like if this is the future of product placement and this is Like I would be very very optimistic if we see anything even vaguely like this coming up coming down the pipeline You know if this is how you sell a product is to make a show that's this good that would just be incredible It has the potential to reverse my pessimism about the film industry almost by itself, which is Incredibly high praise. So yeah, it's a very very good show Now, all right He's spoken and now it is Clicking okay. Here we go. Pringies next Okay, I Guess it's the same story in terms of watching it. It was getting recommended for a few months and When so many people are saying that the show is really good and that you know, including like people who Perspectives you generally align with that's pretty interesting Especially considering that it's a League of Legends TV show on Netflix So yeah, I watched it and I was very surprised. I don't think I was expecting Even with all of the recommendations I don't know that I was expecting to watch a show that was so mature Clearly the product of Passion that someone had an idea for a story they wanted to tell and were able to execute on it This show is really great Putting to one side the incredible production values great voice acting incredible animation and art style a really cool soundtrack as well It's just Really strong character writing throughout and when you're writing like eight or nine Really great characters who have their own stories And their own journeys that they're going on Strong themes permeating a lot of those stories tied into a pretty sound plot It's like man, you know something really well. This show is really great and I think When I first watched it I Think I just felt that it was good But the more that I think about the show the more it improves in my mind So I think it's pretty great and I'm looking forward to talking about why very well Alright, here we go. We're down to the wire Just one and two left. Let me click the button. Oh My goodness, it's me. Oh my gosh It's rags on deck. We're ready to go to talk about arcane so arcane has been the most Recommended thing to us ever and we've been recommended things a lot and not only was it the most recommended thing ever that we consistently were getting it was Getting praised by everyone. Everyone was talking about how amazing it was so Before the CFAP they're in the last week or so in two sittings I decided alongside Mahler to give the show a watch and It is it's probably one of my favorite shows that I've seen I am thoroughly impressed with it back to front and Well, what we do in EFAP we sort of have an unofficial Olympic diving score that we give things which is the more complex and Complicated and higher that something shoots to be then the the higher weight that its number kind of carries And the fact that there could be so many characters That and characters I think are the strength of this some of the show there are so many of them In a plot line that you know involves them all That it's it's thoroughly impressive that we don't just get a character or two that are good or three or four We get we get it's difficult to choose who your favorite is I I'm thoroughly impressed with the show. I really really enjoyed the vast majority of it It was a pleasure to watch the voice acting was great the animation was Very well done Especially on the emotional side the world was interesting and magical and just just a wonderful place sort of It was just always visually interesting You always wanted to hear what the characters were saying and I really really I really really like the show definitely gets a huge seal of approval from me and Now may as well keep rolling that leaves you get that's his number. I get yeah Let me go ahead and do that Go ahead and roll through Okay, eight seven seven eight five four one four two one four Seven four seven three there we go Tell us what you think about the show. Yeah, so I have absolutely zero experience With the League of Legends franchise. I've never played the game. Well, no, that's not true I played it once and didn't think it was for me, but anyway That was what concerned me when I saw the recommendations coming up about the show from everybody that I trust to have good opinions so I Was concerned that having not played the game it was going to you know cause a problem, but that's not the case at all I think anybody can enjoy the show and The the word mature comes up a lot and they're not wrong at all It was because I was expecting it to be kind of like a sanitized product, you know, because everybody was always like so Jovial and you know just quippy in the game as far as you know, my friends seem to Portray it but it was actually yeah It was very mature in that regard a lot of different characters and what's interesting too is like I didn't really care too much For Game of Thrones because there were too many characters and that's just a personal gripe for me But then this show comes along and finally the one and only show with lots of characters that I actually really got into and had trouble Picking a favorite. So I have a few favorites, but we'll just get into it later when we get into the synopsis I really really enjoy this show. I hope all the seasons up until like, you know, the end Holds up just as well as this one did because this one went it went up with a bang. So Yeah, this is fantastic and I'm really glad that I took the time to see it I've seen it twice and then a third time before the show or before this this show So I was ready to talk about it and I'm stoked. I was looking forward to this day all week.  So if I just lower everybody in the call collectively through OBS, then you can just boost the stream presumably We'll try that Cooper is quieter. Well Maybe I'll just try and get closer to the mic so that I'm louder Yeah Um, so you're actually a really loud for the rest of the stream. What if that's been agreed upon on the subreddit? Damn mean Do you think they have that level of coordination? perhaps No, it's a it's a secret plot by mauler He wants to be louder Okay He's got he's got chat plants. I got so many knobs on my mixer that I don't even know what they do Yeah, I have that problem Does that make me I don't have a cool fancy mixer. I've got a mine small I got I got way too many knobs on my mixer Yeah Well thunder said it sounds fine and I trust him quite a bit within chat as a as an ear person. So I doubt he'd lie to us Um, all right. Well, hopefully that's leveled it out a bit better Regardless, I suppose it's time for us to begin talking about this show like Chronologically Like I said, I think we're just going to try and go through the events The the way we tend to do this and this is going to be one of the longest one ever We did this with wander vision kind of we definitely did it with falcon the winter soldier We didn't really do it with low key But you kind of try and go through it You try and go through it But only using information we've been given so far Rather than connecting it to future events and then instead you would draw back to those past events when you want to make a point It can be tough But the idea with that is that we can we can put some people on an adventure who have no intention of watching this show There's going to be at least one in chat who's like, no fuck that Or that it's legal legends um So we can give them a bit of that experience and so all I recommend is that if you're like You see the introduction of a character doing a particular thing and you're like, oh that relates to episode seven when they do it And you know Maybe maybe put that on a note. Maybe um, I will it's you know just so that we can um It it should make it so that we go relatively good speed through um, sorry Yeah, I figured that's like the the the smallest way to do it who knows but uh Yeah, like it seems very similar to how we did squid game if i'm not mistaken. Yes, that was that's how we did that as well So, uh, yeah, uh, we'll just we'll just go as we go and flow as the flow flows now I'll stop by saying the when when fringin. I booted this up. I wasn't really That super invested or interested. I was just like here we go to the show. Let's do it and um, I suppose the interesting thing is just like immediately I was like, oh we're um We're not doing like you you'd further expect maybe just some character waking up in a room or some Maybe event or something but it's just like this dark mist flowing over the war torn bridge you're like, um With a soundtrack that's like really wanting it also a little girl singing a song in a very like You could call it uh juxtaposed I suppose but in a in a way that's familiar with horror We're just like a really scratchy edit thing as well. Yeah Um, which is really cool and interesting Um, but I don't know.  You know, we're supposed to be having fun. No It's this is this is this about the toxicity and it's about what's going on Yeah, yeah, this is the allegiance game. We're going to establish very quickly. We're not here to have fun And Yeah, so I I think to myself like what should I even say about this thing? Or should I just summarize it as one word when first seeing the show which is It seems like some big battle has happened on a bridge We follow two girls who are making their way across it. They bump into some guy Who seems to point to someone they love being dead And then he picks them up and takes them away And so like obviously this is just one of those things where you're just like I'm assuming I will gain more from this at some point in the future But this this big big old event And I think all the show wants you to take from it for now is that this is when powder and jinx cross Powder and vi would have just like properly engaged a significant relationship with this guy who Uh, and uh, but you know names aren't exactly spoilers for now. I say that ironically when there is one technically speaking um Yeah, so it's just something for your mind to chew on I suppose this whole scene. Um, I think we're gonna have to come back to it to talk about There's one thing to point out really quickly Like if you look at the faces the facial like the expressiveness of the animation is incredible for basically the entire show This scene in particular is one of the best Like it's it's a bit odd because there's There's an animation problem we'll probably get into later But like the the expressiveness like moller was pointing out, especially the eyes is just like spectacular throughout the entire show Mm-hmm. Yeah Range and also a lot of just like realistic touches as well that are really impressive Um Like the little things that you don't typically expect Or maybe you do expect to see them now because of how much 3d animation has been improved, but I mean I will say it's just nice to see More stuff doing styles that aren't just the standard disney pixar like general style Yeah, like spider versus kind of being I mean this show was started production I'm pretty sure like or at least it was being developed like around that point anyway But I guess it's just nice to see that we've got more stuff that's trying to be more experimental in terms of art style and animation And they're using all of the effort they put into the facial expressions to tell you things without actually directly telling you them Yeah As I said, there's a lot of times where it seems more expressive than if they had like real actors, which is Well, I feel like This is probably going to be a broader topic, but it might be Uh, I don't know if it's worth mentioning now. We're talking about later Actually, I guess about animation and and like tone and and like the benefits and drawbacks and Yeah, we we can say that for later Um, I suppose I wouldn't mind Reading out the song that powder sang but we can talk about what the song might mean Probably by the time we hit the end of the show. Um, this scene will definitely be something we come back to um Yeah, the song she's she's singing it while uh Covering her eyes obviously because Vi would have told her to While listening to all the carnage and that's uh part of what I think We go from her assumption of what's happening, which is why I think the first half of the scene is more stylized And the second half, which is just by looking at the actual things happening um Yeah, it goes dear friend across the river. My hands are cold and bare Dear friend across the river. I'll take what you can spare I ask of you a penny. My fortune it will be I ask you without envy we raise no mighty tower Sorry, I'll just read it all out. It's obviously done in a tune, but um My fortune it will be I ask you without envy We raise no mighty towers. Our homes are built of stone. So come across the river And find and she's cut off because they stopped But then the song ends and find the world below Um, I never never never realized that's in the song And then the context becomes clearer later. I would argue it sums up The nature of basically the origin of all conflict to that song. Yeah. Yeah Pretty interesting to think about. Yeah, I was keeping your back pocket for now All right, the last thing I say it's important about this scene Is that like he's clearly taken them away, but the show You have to think when a show is made with purpose So like not boba fat you have to think about why that has a lot of purpose dude I mentioned boba fat so many times when I was covering this just as the anti this That came up with me as well because because every wednesday we watch the new excrement that comes out For the book of boba fat And then we watch this and it's such a stark night and day difference that it's kind of it's kind of jar It gives you mental whiplash.  What are we doing? I mean, I think you went straight to bed.   I get maybe we should start off who of the eight guests that we have um How many have played league of legends or are familiar with it? We go left to right and then quick answers Yeah, I'm I'm somewhat familiar. I played it, but I didn't know very much about the lore So I'm maybe like a five out of ten knowledge Uh, I did play it but a long time ago and even when I did I wasn't familiar with the lore that much I played it for like 20 minutes roughly four years ago. I forgot who I played and I have no background Like I have no background on the game whatsoever Yeah, I played it for roughly 20 minutes Probably a bit longer than that ago On an account that I named after my friend's mom Uh, I feel like Theo might be able to oh that again. I could have googled it, but I remember joining when shavanna was just released so Yeah, it's quite quite a while ago. I played for a good like I was still playing it when I met metal so from when shavanna's released at least to 2015 And then pitted out Going back played for a couple months and then stopped and I've recently started playing it again because of the show Um, so I know a decent chunk about league of legends, but uh, there's plenty. I don't know Oh, wait to me. Uh, yeah, I played it a lot back in the day as well probably like 2013 as when I first played it Man that game has been out for a long time. Fuck. Uh Uh Yeah, I played it a lot.  Did you have anything? Did you have any fore knowledge about the events that were gonna happen? A lot. Yeah Okay, that well, I would say the um me and frame when we were watching it despite my knowledge being like If D and his being even less we were able to see us a couple of things coming because of knowledge of the game Um, but nothing that would have spoiled the experience in any way But you certainly don't need to play the show to get anything out play the Play to get anything out of the show You do need to play the show to get things out of it. I would see I would recommend playing the show Take it off pause The me that you fat me Yeah, well um We'll probably With theo being the lead on that try and give insight on how it's done something that's respectful to the game At the same time as doing other things because um I suppose all I'd say right now is the the the track if you will of This is a show for the the people who played the game is almost invisible to the show watch as I would say Mm-hmm. Yeah, I think that's I think that's one of the like best things you can say about it Is that like most people would think I don't want to watch the league of legends tv show I'm not going to get it I think that's like probably the biggest reason people don't watch it and that just does not matter at all Not at all That's funny because I don't know any people who play I feel like who people who played the game Were like a show about league of legends.  That's that's that's why I that's why I Just never really had any interested in watching it So there you go anybody did watch it is because more than a friend you did watch it and I was like you gotta go watch it now I was like, okay Yeah, basically so I yeah, if you haven't seen it yet and you were worried about that now is your chance to turn back We're about to spoil the whole fucking thing Yeah, very slowly Slowly you you have many chances to turn back you can't complain Um, so the one the last thing I was just going to say about this scene especially Vi seems at some level of just Sad but also with a vander at some level of peace.  Obviously. They're the people who killed So people we saw there and then the final shot Moving up and looking at the towers of Piltova Which to me just summarizes exactly what the the base of this shows drama is going to be about They are leaving the pretty city They're not going well just having the city risen just over all this red smoke death and destruction looking glorious Like Um So, yeah excellent prologue We're gonna talk more about why it's so good later But I think it's fair for a lot of people to watch and be like I have no idea what's going on It's like that's It's fine considering it's the first couple minutes of a the season of tv and it Rarely will you know what's happening in it? You don't know what's going on But like the audio-visual experience is really good. So I feel like this is this is in my opinion Maybe the high point of this episode this scene is really good. It really hooked me I think it was going for the kind of reaction the molar and fringy got of This is how we're yeah, you we're in for something that I didn't expect us to be Yeah, I I didn't Let's go to sort of uh shake off quite a few preconceived notions that a lot of people might have very quickly, right? Yeah I don't even know what to expect for the show that was recommended like this. Um I didn't know anything about like the what the art style would be or the subject matter or the I had no idea So starting off like this was Pretty good tone-setter and I and I'm glad it sort of laid things out that yeah We might be getting a bit dark here and there and it wouldn't have surprised me if we had like an into the spite of this type of one We have like one of the main characters commentating over the will of Is it rude and Tara? Yeah, I think it's so rude and Tara. Yes. So like, you know With with I got encouraging like this is my home We're here because blah blah blah blah blah and you just kind of like I could picture that And I'd have been like, all right. Yeah, that's fine. Do you imagine that coming from a zone character?  Yeah, so definitely tone-setting. Um Now comes the first big old controversial Conversation the intro to the show Oh All right, so I hate this music Really? I really don't I do not like this song at all And it's become a little bit of an earworm Eat that I really do not like this song at all and I very quickly muting the song and And that's the correct opinion So anyway I would like to say that uh, I hate I hate the song as an intro to a show like it's just I don't mind it so much on its own I wouldn't listen to it But like as the intro to a show, I just I don't I don't appreciate its vibe I would go for saying I like the song. I don't think it suits well enough There are elements of the song that I think work in this intro Especially combined with the visuals they choose but they're a part of the song where I'm like after that after what we're getting I don't think this works as well as you think it does. Yeah We we established this tone and then we got hit with imagine dragons and I'm like radioactive Do you guys like the do you guys like the claymation stuff or whatever whatever the art style is? Pretty cool. Don't marble statues. I think that's awesome. I love it. I think the intro is fantastic. Yeah visually But I do wonder if it clashes It doesn't it's a terrible song and pretty strong. However visual wise. It's really excellent because as you want to be fine You can get over the fact that someone likes a song. Okay. No, I can't it's not It's not possible. Well, I'm not like singing along to the song But I'm really happy when I hear it because it's associated with the show So like I don't know how much I actually feel about this song.  So if you sang along with the song You would never be invited back to this I'm still here.    I guess you're not invited anymore. I already said that like three times I don't want to Rags, do you disagree with any of the other music cues? I just I just want to make it clear that I love the song more like And I think we should kick out rags and anyone else who doesn't like it. Let's vote Because it's done pretty quick Oh, hang on. We need we need to darken the room and raise our hands. Let's do it It will be darker once I'm gone and my joy is sucked from this world Rags do you generally dislike the music cues like at the end of episode two? For example, do you dislike that? I have to hear it and I I like the the music music of like the Like the the stuff that plays in the episodes unless it feels like it's a song that's pulled from something else and put into the show I felt like a lot of those seemed really off and they didn't fit Oh, yeah, I disagree dramatically Yeah, my it's fine. It's one of my favorites They've always felt like they've been picked for purpose and I very much enjoy them Enemy is the only one where I was like, hmm. I wonder if this is only here because of Imagine Dragons Which would connect it to League of Legends? Which one is Enemy? Yeah, like it is easily my least favorite though, I will show that I there is a muted didn't like the very next track They use jazz maybe a bit playground, but other than that like yeah most of it Was completely fine to me Yeah, there's a couple like enemy and just it it's really tonally off dude I mean, yeah, I said I'm a strong opinion about that like there's some scenes where A song is very prominent and some of those scenes are like my favorite scenes in the show I I think generally speaking the music is used really well I guess I just didn't think about the intro very much, but it certainly doesn't bother me I've seen so many complaints. I was like, we're gonna have to talk about it. Yeah Yeah, I mean like some of the these songs are like good on their own I think I just I think I have to agree that like maybe they just weren't Placed properly. I guess chat has chat has reminded me that there's a sting song and I like that I think that one. I really really like that one that song. Yeah, that one. I just wasn't I didn't remember that one When I was yeah, I really really like that one Okay The finale had really good music so I'm assuming whatever cue that is it was good Yeah, that's that's the song Um, but yeah, I don't know if anyone wants to go further than they don't like the choices, but I'll try with This is very poppy and action-packety when we certainly at this point when you just had that scene it feels Yarring and like why are we doing this instead of much more contemplative? Which if you listen to the how the song starts This is a couple of seconds where it feels like this is suitable And then it like kicks in and you're like, oh Okay I guess um, I feel I have a way to take it further in that um Pop music as the score, which is what that is right, you know, I think music being used as a score is something that just generally Um by association and a lot of music works by association, right? um Just by association. I feel like it's more often used in sort of bottom-tier trash tv It's used in It is yeah, like so and you've got like um It's well, well the show is going for you know, this this mature story Whereas pop music tends to be associated. I feel with a more immature kind of story It is It is it is associated. I think with the opposite of what the actual tone of the show is Um, um, you know what it's like kind of cool. Oh No, I what I feel would have been kind of cool I've seen shows do it before where they don't actually have their uh title opening on the first episode They just kind of have the first episode walk on its own and they'll have like end credits and shit And then the title theme plays on the second episode. I feel like that would have been a pretty cool choice There are scenes with I would like that a lot better. Yeah, there are scenes where this intro can come after them And it it's mostly fine with me Um, I just think that specifically that prologue deserves something different.  Why is this in my head? And now it's on my Spotify playlist and I listen to it normally, so It's like But yeah, it's it's it's a weird one to hear when you first got a show for sure. I remember that distinctly I feel like it bears mentioning that the lyrics are trying Like yes, they're trying to be totally appropriate, but I'm sure they commissioned this song For the show like I wouldn't be surprised if that were the case Uh, I've mentioned this a few times But that's why I always feel a little bit bad flaming this because the Imagine Dragons guys. They're like huge league fans Yeah, and they've They want this to work. They're trying. I just don't know why we went with this tone when the show Almost starts with saying look our tone is not what you're expecting pop song.  Okay, yeah So yeah, but like I I tolerated just fine and it didn't ruin anything for me But I just know that a lot of people are upset by it um, if we can talk a little about My favorite visual in the entire part of it, which you can already come to Draw at least something out of it right now Which is that the two girls Are being like nurtured by van der with this figure floating above the three of them like It just it's it's so impactful immediately and I actually think it matches a portion of the song that happens at this point as well Yeah, whatever these statues are awesome. I really like the art style here Mm-hmm. It's very impressive And as you watch more and more of the episodes in the show You recognize more and more things about the intro that's been there all along you recognize the characters You recognize some of the color schemes that they have going you recognize You know a lot what's going on a lot that's being referenced It doesn't spoil anything Because you know, you don't know who these people are at the beginning and then it starts to you start to fill in that knowledge as you go It's always something I get concerned about when I'm watching like an animated show sometimes the intro spoils way too much shit Yeah, a lot of these are contextless, but Again to highlight the other track it's running on you see this shot And I know I did I'm assuming Theo probably did I don't know about anyone else here But it was just like is that Caitlyn? Caitlyn, right?  Come on. Come on do it as well. She was shown earlier with with the hat and in like a So you just like oh Definitely here. I'm pretty sure this image had me confused for ages somebody is running Yeah, I thought that was just a new character. We're gonna. Yeah, it's the out about We'll all make sense eventually Well, yeah, this one was I was just like jay. Oh my god. Yeah I clapped when I saw the hammer I did not clap when he didn't have his big coat Fake fan get it out Um, yeah, and then I I assume it's worth mentioning that a lot of Gameplayers who would have been funneled into this show knew going in that vi and jinx were gonna be the main characters Now if you are aware of the show That's not like I I mean, maybe I'm different on this But that's not exactly an appealing thing for me But then again, I don't know who they could have chosen that would have made me think like Oh, yeah, I want to see a show about those two. I was just like, okay Yeah, I'm because I'm not invested in the in the characters as characters if that makes sense Only for their moveset from the game. It's like, oh, I like this character because he has uh Guns for example or whatever like the moveset and not because Oh, I like this character because he has that and that story arc in the game Yeah, it doesn't really matter to me who they choose as a main character in their show because there's I don't know Maybe it's good. Maybe it's not I would have assumed it was jinx because jinx has been pretty prominent in marketing for a while and not to mention She's a thumbnail on the netflix Selection, well, I mean I mean I mean before I even knew there was a show if someone was like Hey, there's going to be a league of legends show I would have said about jinx like it's just what it's just the first thing I would have thought of I mean, there's a lot of them they regularly use Because league legends is filled with like such impactful design characters that can A lot of normies can get introduced to the game by watching amazing cinematics And they're like wow this game looks amazing and everyone's just like Well, I don't like the cinematic Which is a huge problem All over the gaming industry at this point, which I think by the way thanks to this show A lot of people like can we get one now for world of warcraft? Can we get one for I think you said was it starcraft rise? You reckon could work with this or was it something else? Oh, absolutely Yeah, starcraft is the same kind of you have the same deal where you have gameplay that's a real It's an rts, but the cinematics for it are just like insanely well done and they're super action packed And nothing like the game whatsoever, but it would make for it's very very excellent cinematics So yeah, the same thing doesn't dota have a show I Yeah, is it good? I don't know I haven't played over and I haven't watched it Yeah, that was cringe. Well, I think I I think I heard something about the the the people who did the cinematics for league of legends They're are they the ones who did this show? Uh, yeah, this show is made by uh, Forteesh productions and they've done a bunch of cinematics and stuff for right in the past And this is like the first television show, right? They're big. Yeah, I think so Imagine this in your fresh show And um, well, that's the thing I think they they cut their teeth well in terms of those cinematics A lot of the time they don't even have dialogue and they have to story tell without it Um very deliberately because like You don't have seeds with characters sit down and talk is mostly like they're in fights because that's really cool So the thing is how do you tell a story that's just a fight? You're like, oh well, we need to have some setup and it's like usually characters going somewhere Or experiencing something but you have to do it all through facial expressions And so then it's like now make a tv show. It's like well, we can use dialogue But we know how to do everything else or at least You know, I'm just impressed with them in general but um It's been fun because like as someone who's consumed a lot of the cinematics as they came out You just join the rest of the fans in being like, why aren't they making a tv show? They shouldn't make a tv show and then they finally did and I was like, oh, that's great and You made a tv show cut ago, but it's not I think I think destiny 2 is gonna do a show or something and I think Wow, apparently the show is Sony's been talking about that now that they bought them they want to do Multi, I mean I get we we have definitely entered into the era of video game adaptations are not being terrible Well, so there's that but I guess it's more so that they're more willing because we've had we've had a lot Halo's coming out unsharded comes out. There's like month sonic 2's coming out. They're doing a mario movie Christ me at all. It's only a matter of time There are a lot of Like films and tv shows based on video games because I think we have just very much reached the point of Oh video games are just like mainstream and have been a while and we should probably stop pretending that they're not like incredibly Significant in terms of culture I think it just took that first really big hit for a lot of people to get their plans together They've been tossing it around they've been preparing but nothing official and then the first big one comes out That sort of establishes that it's super viable and it can be a big hit and then it'll boost the momentum. All right Here we go For everyone else that this is a proven concept like I wouldn't be surprised. We get a bio shock tv show at some point Because that was in the works for so long and it just never happened But with all this happening. It's like people like bio shock But um because we're nice and cynical here at eFap.  It's bad news for everything else Well Trailer This isn't good because it's a league of legends tv show. It's good in spite of being a league of legends tv show I mean like I don't know that I'd say it's in spite. I guess it would more so be that I didn't expect it to be I assume the people who I don't expect anything to be good The yeah, I mean you expect things to be bad, but video game adaptations are like what won for like 36 at this point Or something. I mean Annihilation was great I've had it has a good season and then violently shits itself Yeah, I was gonna say I watched the first two and they were pretty pretty good I think and gee you're right and that's my one of my big concerns is that uh arcade season 2 I will be terrified watching that Yeah, me too I Instantly I was super doing the super big concern when I heard there, you know, there's gonna be a second season Well, I expect that there would be a second season I just do a concern for its existence in general compare that to like Squid game or I'm like, I don't even I don't even know that you need a second season Arcane we've got a shit ton of threads that are not finished off yet So I'm okay with the story. I just worry in general. I would have it's the same worry I had for watching season one. I'd be like this could be shit, but let's do it If it's the same people, I think it's gonna be better. I'm way more hopeful than you guys Yeah, I would be Your cold dooma I'll be I'll be the one who's probably the most cynical about the show or actually getting into it, but for season two I'm pretty hopeful I will say being pessimistic and preparing for things to be shit has been a really useful tool for us, you know, it's Absolutely Our receptors haven't been blown out yet I've been in that mode for about 18 years or something watching movies.  Yeah And it's worth mentioning that this is the closest I would say a visual comes to a spoiler It doesn't take much for a viewer to guess a lot of things about seeing this image Um I suppose there's no point in this highlight next to benefit you in any way shape or form But people who played the game love this shock because they're like, oh my goodness They're gonna end up exactly the way they look in the game and they're gonna fight But I don't even know what they these two mean to each other yet because um Yeah, we don't even have any names of characters yet. So it's really just it just sits in the back of your head as like a thing So there's a level of interest in that Out of all the visuals, I think most of them actually happen this This visual never happens But no, you could say that from a metaphorical point of view it does I would still say no Probably I don't know that I would say it. Yeah that this happens. Um Even metaphorically, but that's fine It ends with a vibe you might be able to try and do a very Uh, of an we'll we'll try and do an interpretation of it once we finish talking about the show We'll see if we can justify why we'd have a visual like this um Yeah, anything else anyone wants to say about this intro I skipped it I'm correct about the music 100 percent, but visually it's excellent and I really really liked it Let's get a whole show like this We just go claymation guys play people look like people Doing that thing. What is that halo believe? Uh, oh, but it's just a show now That would be better than the halo show There there there will be there will there is a pile of halo three ads on youtube that will be better than the halo show You know halo three had insanely good commercials Well, it does feel like when you have something come along like arcane Which is a western adult mature non-comedy or not trying to be anyway like animated show You would think it's like man. You could have done halo like this, but you didn't You just decided not to because that shows not outright Is the halo shows But the showrunner the showrunner like quit before it came out, which is a pretty bad sign, right? Well, that's a great sign The trailer is out and I saw the trailer Yeah, when the show when the showrunner leaves before it starts all that says is that he has incredible confidence in the crew He knows they're gonna make a great product. He doesn't even need to be there because it's gonna be so amazing I think he uh, I think he finished the season and then left or Oh, one of them left one of them left halfway and then the other one left at the end Nice He finished the season. I was just looking at the product like oh, uh, yeah, I have other things to do So I'm gonna go And halo works would translate really really well to uh this style or other just an animation in general There was the Right, the halo. Yeah, there was halo legends There was the halo perfect novel that was all kinds of different styles and they all look great No, but instead we're gonna get In a lot of people's minds. I don't get it.  Um I guess it's just I keep think of all the Chevy Silverados. We'll see Well, I yeah, I just I guess I keep describing it as just like it ain't mando money, but it's it's like not I don't know like a cbs tv show production money like it's somewhere in between And maybe you need mando money to do a halo show We'll see we'll see a rich sci-fi thing like that Yeah, mate. We'll see.  So Oh Well, I feel like we can we really need the numbers on um, how much it took to make the show because I keep hearing conflicting Uh I keep hearing that it's like it's a low-budget show, but it's also a high-budget show I don't know so somebody's gonna have to look into that at some point It's uh elbow like talked about me Uh-oh, I'm gonna stop right there. We can't hear a thing that you're saying Oh, why your mic is all flimpy doing a robot. Let us go to At least help a little what's your first second then Bring make a point whatever it was Okay I think no everyone Yeah Bring it back.  Leave Singapore. You all seem fine to me Oh, okay. Yeah, it sounds robotic to me right now. Thanks, man Yeah, we're all looking fine. I think it just I think it fixed it's uh It sounds fine now. Okay. I wanted to highlight Mel I watched your um your arcane forge. Uh, I like that it was a three hour thing We are one hour in and we've done the intro I knew we'd be long but once again, I have surprised myself at how long You said nine hours and I'm like really well now I'm sorry. I think it might be It might be two parts. I'm not sure we can get this done. If one anymore if this is going to take this long Yeah, that that was my expectation exactly. It's like I was saying earlier. We'll split it after episode three It's all good because we'll be at 12 hours at that point. Yeah Yeah, yeah, yeah, I didn't even talk about the intro could have been four hours easily for me So but I was also not going for a full breakdown. So there you go. I guess we'll uh We'll move in to the next episode Move in because obviously I think for you want to say something, but I don't know if he's Oh, there he is. Sorry. Hey, buddy. We were talking about budget Oh I mando had a hundred million dollar budget and I don't know that we know what the figures are for They're just not For arcane I heard it was like a well Briefly heard that it was like a 10 million uh per episode. So it was like 90 million in total That's all I heard. I think Official source I don't know if I had that much but trying to budget on the books But like this season of book of oboe fair the production because they would They'd have to like put some numbers in different places, right because it's like it's clearly not Because they were packaged as probably five episodes depending on what we see in the finale But like the the two episodes we just saw is like those those come from a different production or a different idea I wonder how fucking complicated and weird that has to be when like auditing and stuff Because it's packaged as a season, but it's not By the way, I I uh, I saw some people saying do you guys know like do you misunderstand what the title means? The book of oboe fair have you read a book before there are chapters that go to different characters The people who wrote through with the show can't read no way man. Did someone actually say Yeah, yeah, I forgot what the word book means. No, I don't believe you. Nobody's coping that up Um, have you been on twitter? See you come on Don't show up to twitter tomorrow Sometimes the best way to respond to an argument is just a clip where you read it out and everyone in the room laughs And then they're like this is a great joke and he's like, yeah, yes. Yep. Thanks So the episode begins with a little team of people Climbing up some some tower Looking to uh to get to the top of it.  I didn't sign up for this. Who are these people's names? It's a terrible story in my show. I think not. Yeah Awful, but um, you know, I guess Immediately it's got you got buys at the top encouraging the rest to follow her So she's just the leader as well as being what seems to be the most ready-enable um And you've got like I think clagger and Milo and powder are all like asking different questions about whether or not This is something they should be doing and basically every time vi will be like, yes, this is the thing we should do They won't care bandit would have done it Let's do it sort of thing. She's very very driven and um They have the show begin with them climbing up And then like sighing as they reach the top and that's the visual and I think she says it's good to get above it all Reinforcement she must live down below. Oh my goodness. Just yeah, just look how amazing this looks Yeah, so we'll take up a land. You're so good. We'll take opportunities to try and compliment everything as we go but absolutely this shot is fucking gorgeous and um It helps the story because piltover is glorious But yeah, I think there's there's two of these shots too, right because we cut the side then we cut to a There's a zeppelin so we get like two of these shots and they're both amazing Yeah Um, this is a really pretty show it's uh What is the the the general way they do it like everything is This 3d models and then on 2d backgrounds, but also 3d objects as well here in there, right like Frame by frame effects sometimes as well like yeah, yeah They do a lot of particles in they do a lot of particles in 2d animation and it's like it's pretty Obvious in many points and it's beautiful each time. Yeah. Oh, yeah, it looks really good uh Yeah, and this is the thing as well that we'll probably have to start talking about is that not much time is wasted at all in these Just in telling story and giving you um information Uh, yeah Even so this is something that's probably worth bringing up I think we should treat this when talking about it at first as though These are our main characters. I don't see why not. Um, yeah and so like you have um powder like idealistically is like I can't wait to Uh be on a blimp one day and uh milo is like I can't wait to shoot it down It's like you're already gonna be like, okay Uh And then they get that immediately a fair their first challenge Which is as they're on their little adventure at least the ones that we see Which is to jump from one rooftop to another one and it's not an easy way thing to do And there's an element of trying to slide down first and get a better vantage to jump the second place I does it. It's a little a little bit like not perfect, but she pretty much nails it Um leading by example. Yeah, then milo is like out of my way. I'm gonna do it And screws up a little bit But like and looks worried To some smaller degree But still makes it and he's like really happy with himself But before he can even get praise claga just jumps right next to him of the huge thud Um, yeah And eats one of the cupcakes that run from the windowsill Yeah, which implies to me that while milo was like all about like look at me I'm doing I'm doing claga was just doing it as well. Like it's just not a big deal. Um And yeah, just making them In a in a simpler sense a lighter and then heavier character, uh, and We'll discover quickly that milo's a lock picker while claga is more of a brute Like cool. It's almost like classic Before I knew milo's name I was just calling him baby junk rat Makes sense. He does kind of yeah He doesn't set any traps for his prey though No, not yet. I figured he was going he was building to that Um, yeah, remember overwatch Ha ha ha. No, I'm I'm good I'm good This shot of powder space is one of those times where the facial expressions are just incredible. The animation is very very good I'm gonna say I do a lot of character work again because it's basically like powder's the only one and of course She is because she's much younger who's hesitating to do this at all And uh, just something to note that I find neat is that milo is like, uh, she's not really do it and claga's like I'll help her and then she's like no no no no The again just showing you what the two interests of those two characters are and then vise which is she can do it Let's just encourage her to do it And obviously she has the most trouble doing it. She almost dies technically by Almost falling but she manages to get there with vise help Um, and yeah, as doom just said the expression This is actually a shot that a lot of people have used in thumbnails and different points of appreciation for the show It's just Being very strong in telling you exactly what Hmm. Yeah, so it's it's easier to crop out a blue background. So you get the character and put it into your thumbnails So you have to watch out for her here Yeah a little bit Um, and yeah, I think she just repeats back. I'm ready All this shit's important for later Yeah, she makes it they make it they they start heading toward, uh, I think they even discussed that they've got the tip um From someone about this particular place that it very likely will have lots of stuff in it worth stealing Um, the thing is that they're also worried about Banda, which we don't we don't know who that is yet, but it's just a an authority figure that's not going to be happy And she says he would have done it um Because this is apparently a place that's very risky to be doing this shit in Um, it's it's not a huge amount for us to draw yet, but we just have to sort of keep these things in mind um Yeah, I like that uh Milo is trying to work at the at the lock while commenting on how it's sort of rough and uh I guess uh clunky everyone is and then has the door burst open by via just picking it And the whole expression he gives to animals animals Yeah, which is fun considering they're all stealing from somebody um And yeah, I think it's probably I don't know if that's nothing from filthy top-siders True. Yeah, it might be worth commenting already on the costume design uh Everyone here has costumes that look to be made From like repurposing clothing that wouldn't fit them or is incomplete Uh, yeah, it either looks like they just simply It's multiple colors that don't necessarily You know like gel too much. It's just whatever they sort of got shoulder pads Yeah, and it's very clear that they don't they're not from around here Yeah, they've wherever they come from resources are low. They've they've patched together different pieces of different clothes They hand me downs and stuff I bring it up Because i'm so mean, but look at Boba Fett has the people extravagantly dressed in clean like Vehicles that look expensive as hell with body mods. They are the the victims apparently of Low income it's like I don't really Wait where the jets where the jets and scooters poor people. Yes Yes They had to steal water because I couldn't afford it Oh, yes And they have body mods that apparently no one else could like Because the way that you get them is by paying So nobody has them except for you guys, but you're the poor people I don't it just doesn't line up at all because they just didn't really think about it Like a grant or some kind of program maybe yeah mods for poor um, something I want to note is that uh Milo jumps in himself. So does vi But uh claga makes sure to help powder in Self before he goes in Seems to be a nice dude just from the little bit we've seen Yeah, you character's gross It's just that um, we don't even know his name about halfway through. Yeah, we we've we've talked about this With several just stories, but like all the tiny actions in the middle of scenes the character build whether or not you want it to Yeah Like someone getting hurt and everyone just keeps walking and doesn't care You'd be like, oh, well, I'm just they're just getting to the location They need to get to it's like you just had them not acknowledge or care about someone who's hurt like that mean something Mm-hmm. Yeah stuff like that um Yeah, it seems like they they're caring about this. Uh, so Uh, they break in and I thought I thought it was sort of interesting that vi immediately goes for the books to see what she can find Milo's just fascinated by basically everything and uh, it's really like an inventor or engineers penthouse I think they refer to it as a penthouse Yeah, they definitely do Yeah, and they're just pouring stuff into their bag to uh, elect And again, it's just uh, you you sort of appreciate like I just love the way that they every thing they're looking at You get to look at their faces. Um and appreciate The expressions because again, it's just another source of being able to be told stuff Could you you were mentioning earlier about how It maybe even be better than having actual actors and it's just like well It probably would be in a sense that you've got animators Who can spend as long as they want on just one expression While an actor they take several takes and then you choose the best one From a limitation. Well, you know What's always kind of funny too. No go ahead By virtue of it being an animation you could sort of stretch Maybe what an expression could be Or how people might be able to react to things because it is not real in that sense Yeah, uh, they can be a lot more they can be larger than life essentially Yeah, yeah Yeah, and in many instances animators Often will make the facial expressions themselves They kind of act the character out and they just kind of like pay attention to what happened to their own face And then apply it to the character. So a lot of acting really does go into um Animating a certain character's face and everything and if you just if you don't really know How facial expressions, you know Gell with acting then a lot of the times you're going to wind up with stiff emotions. So I feel like yeah Acting is a big part of animation as well and you without actual actors I'm just trying to balance copyright coverage as well.   She's aware of it She's able to name it. I think things are it's a valbiania Yeah Identifies the thing milo pulls out as well. That's like, yeah, we're gonna start here. Um, well, she's good at if anything There we go But yeah, all looking around for things to steal and then they they basically say like better hurry and put Things that matter in there because milo's gonna fill it up with junk because he just Shiny is all the matters to him, but with it seems the powder understands back uh to some degree But as they keep looking around they find this Will become important later, but no Not quite I'm actually not I'm not talking about that bit. So the uh, they found a device of some kind with a little stone inside it. Um Um Don't know what this is. There's all blueprints around it and stuff Interesting Just uh Again the expressions on everybody you could just appreciate it. It's fun. It's just it's always gonna be something to look at Yeah, and looking back and seeing this little device now And then knowing what will happen with it later and later. It's like, ah You can see where it comes from from this point where it goes Something happens with that No, not not that specific one But you could see how that is similar to the stuff they use later on and it gets built on and it gets bigger and You call it a prototype You could call it that. Um Yeah That's gonna get hard sometimes How to uh, you you said yeah jay. What do you want? What do you want? Yeah, um, uh, that's what you were saying, right? What do you think about how to explore and what are you? Uh powder exploring. I love exploring powder. Um, there's this like big like powder area right next to my city And I just like go through journeys there explore powder all right she um Looking around with some stuff and then we get another nice detail of in terms of Visual expression. I I love as well as just expression of itig, but seeing just a sandwich is like Gold to her which again, yes Real phone, let's go Yeah, dude, so that means they probably don't have Fantastic diets where they come from.  So she's trying Maybe this whole chest full sandwiches. Yes It's a it's a twight game the neat little room too. I was uh, I was trying to look around. It's like you can see a guitar what looks like some kind of maybe shield Another chest obviously everything's pretty messy because he's just trying to Yeah, do an invention That could be a bong a sci-fi bong. You don't know That could be a weapon guitar I get a laser guitar that's very true Yeah, she opens it up this little boxy thing and there's a lot of little gems inside it Which I think they're a signal of value to basically anybody Like you should probably there was one of them now there's several Yeah, they're bright crystals now. How could that not be worth something? um But unfortunately The apartment owner is here. Oh no Oh, it's the shot from the episode thing Wait, what? What it's like it's like the thumbnail in Netflix. I think is the shot of her eye Oh, is it? I don't know. I thought I thought the shot from Netflix was here sitting on a chair or are they a couple of them?  Let's grab these funny crystal thingies and go the owner is home.  I guess the um There's just a little bit of unity like because they probably experienced a lot of this Like get out of there before your court sort of shit But um, unfortunately powder drops one of the the crystals when she's trying to grab them up quick And it rolls across the floor and slams into the wall and that explodes um Which is very bad Because explosions do damage Yeah, I say about explosions for everybody uh and and What I like about it is the Not only does it just look cool And and then we're always like oh stakes have raised but the first thing we see vi do is check to make sure everybody's okay And then she starts to assess the damage Um Instead of just running away It there's like a a want to see what she may have done as a result of this or what kind of has happened Um, but to be fair most of them have no clue why this has happened yet Uh, yeah, not even powder because she didn't even see that she dropped it Yeah Something just blew up Um, I don't know if you guys notice this, but it's like Damn, they really are trying to get that attention I guess there's like bits of paper floating in the air from all of the papers in the in the room and the books and stuff They're all burning and so They're getting like smaller as the flame Uh Is is like reducing them while the shot is flowing like see the blue singe on the pages. That's really Yeah They're burning through them as they move Man, I was taking That must have taken ages. Yes, you're really cool. Yeah, look at that And you want I think it was worth it. Yeah I'll take right there. Yeah so Um alarms are going off.  It's the closest thing.  I don't know normally with three It's a bolus Ha ha Very well. No, it's it's not a joke. That's that's what it's called I think Well, there's probably more than one but as far as I knew they're always called bolas b o l a Hey, I think a single is called a bolus. I can double check just out of curiosity. That would make sense bola also A bolus uh plural bolus or boluses from the spanish bola for ball So it's from the spanish bola Primarily used for hunting consisting of stone balls usually in a group of three. Oh, okay. There was a group of two Three is a magic number. Oh, yes it is.  Oh god The worst thing ever is if them forces grab them um I would argue that the way that they run away in the little bits like with stairs and moving past corners and stuff is closer to who they like the Plaga Being heavy and and this is a little run the powder does when going down the stairs are so dainty compared to everybody else's Yeah, because vi I think does like a slide down the stick it she she does all the cool stuff Well, she bounces off it my logo down this staircase rail. I tore my back pocket Sorry, yeah, my logo sliding down. It was super expressive here. I didn't even notice that Yeah, vi bounces off the wall. He slides down the thing and uh, yeah powder's just going How do I use this each stair? Charges through yeah, yeah, which again, I just think is opportunities. Uh, don't waste them um The bowl isn't coming close spooky Uh, I think uh vi is aware of the Um, they even mentioned that they've done this before Because of the exit they used they've used before but um The bridge is closing up they jump over it and I thought it was going to be a cliche I just have it so that it stops everyone else from chasing them But no like seven or so enforcers still managed to get over. There's just like, yeah, it's not going to save them And one slips or guy He could be in serious trouble. Hope he's okay Yeah, I don't think you get recover from that unfortunately Yeah, uh as they is another example as well, they all slam into the wall um And claggers is like the biggest hit like by And then Um, he's actually a question Almost walks through the wall So someone alluded to there being something especially dangerous about the water and piled over harbor. Does anyone know anything about that? Yeah, um, they they talk about that Uh, and like I want to say like five or six episodes in so um, I think Oh, no, you're probably thinking you're probably thinking of the under city, honestly So I don't think over water Yeah, I Well, we it'll be the beginning of episode three. We can probably talk about that.  You do know what that is Yeah, being being the hater I am I there's a bunch of stuff I saw in the first episode that I thought was a blood hole And none of it actually was so here's one of them is that she has the Let's say the Unstable objects in her pocket and they're like sliding down the thing and then they violently land But they first of all land on trash which might be soft and second of all it's in her side pocket So it's actually not a blood hole along with everything else that I noticed which is really good sign Yeah, that's pretty chill. They need a lot of aggravation to explode I know it was one of my concerns when I was watching originally because when I when I saw the the first um Gungan ball roll and it hit the wall they slow it down which might on it which Confused me. I think at first I thought that it just barely had to hit the wall in order to go off when they just had Slow-mode it And so then I was like, how shouldn't these things be going off all the time? And I was like, oh, no, I it's okay. It's At the same thing Yeah, jay and I are on the same page when it comes to the random slow-mo through Um, it feels like it might not be in the scene of slow-mo just you know for for people like us who are a bit slower than everyone else We're maybe we're or are we faster than everyone else? Yeah, we're too fast. Yeah, we're too fast We're like sign in shadow the hedgehogs Go fast Yeah, we have to go fast Slow-mo throws us out of whack our bodily rhythm. Mm-hmm Yesterday we saw sonic going medium speed We did true. Oh, that's true. Yeah, we did.  She just kicks him down which uh Again, it's just a rip-off of Star Wars when they kick chewy down or was it chewy? I can't remember anymore.     Yeah And then she's like the focal point of the entire thing because she stands out in terms of coloration as well A lot of great moments like that Really the whole show yeah, something I noticed a lot are Did you guys notice all the match cuts? There's so many match cuts in this show You mean like a cut where I guess we'll get to them match cuts looks like Yeah, like I cut from one scene to another where A cut from one scene to another where the location changes, but there's like very very very strong resemblance Yeah, like it'll cut from a circular thing to another circular thing, but they're very yeah I don't recall them doing it way too much, but I can think of a few places that they have. Well, um Feel free to point them out. I didn't say it was too much. They were good Yeah, I'll I'll point them out if we see them uh Yeah, then we see um They're on their way back But some some lads have spotted them looks like the local bullies like nelson months and his friends basically Oh, yeah, which um, again, it's funny how this shows can work, but I when I was first watching it in my head I was like Um, but you find out that they were sent to keep an eye on them by somebody okay, that's fine Um, yeah, they basically are like Give us at least some of what you've stolen uh And it looks like vi Big is that the only way that this is gonna work is if they get into a fight um Which is again, if you look at the lot of them laggers already put himself in front of vi Milo is more just curious and then powders looking very defensive straight away like Yeah, and everybody's really appropriate This is appropriate league group positioning you get the tank out front and go take aggro Yeah, if powders the support she needs to move back Stay safe Yeah, powder is too close. She's gonna get cc'd. Mm-hmm.  That's an inconsistency between what she said and what she did. Yeah Yeah, that's kind of why I hate by One moment. We should have had some internal monologue, but she says I hate her because she's a woman True Based I hit her because she's Yeah, the uh, can I put the subtitles on I don't know what'll I don't even know that I have subtitles on this actually so but uh, I don't know what vlc'll do because I'm constantly skipping around so it's probably gonna Like that, um, honestly surprised vlc hasn't glitched their faces up yet Um, yeah, oh, yeah, that normally happens It wouldn't dare touch this show I like the ensuing brawl a lot because it's really scuffed. Yeah Yeah, it's not clean. It's not uh, and these are Characters beating the shit out of each other and it really just looks like people are getting hurt Yeah, yeah, it's like another sort of tone-setter like we're willing to show some people getting wrapped up wrapped up in fights We're gonna do it Hurt on both sides I think that's important to mention these days that both sides get hurt and not only the enemies Yeah To you just running the show. Well, I was gonna say This is your main female character That some people may have had concerns that she would have like You know, because people especially with their hair.  I was like, oh sweet.  It's just like yeah We're doing a fight scene doesn't really it's not gonna you know, it's not the kind of thing You're supposed to be invested in that that hard but The fights in this show it's established right from the off that yeah getting in a fight It's not a good idea and you probably shouldn't do it This is a world where that's kind of you know, realistic in that if you fight someone as there's Very likely there's gonna be consequences to that for you.  Yeah, she takes a lot of damage in this show. It's awesome.  So This happens like Just kicks an idea Yeah, um, and I'm pretty sure we're supposed to draw up from this the powder is terrified. Um While everybody's in their brawl I know right What was that?  Uh, yeah Pathetic disgusting Um, yeah, we got some slow-mo to just appreciate how rough everything is I would argue And it's again kind of like the intro.  That does sound like a j character. Um, and one of them chase his powder out while the rest are still fighting Uh Milo, I think is only keeping up his end sort of and it actually looks for a second like Vi is losing um But then she's like I'm gonna have to get that on the screen It's way longer than it should there you go now you can see the me It's so good good stuff Uh It's funny because it contains violence against women. Yes But uh, I love as well that the we go from being a little bit unfocused to focusing up camera-wise on Vi after she's beaten the guy um getting on screen and uh She just she just looks like she had some trouble and she's bleeding She's holding her chest and she spits something out. It's just like nice you in that Instead of you know, just standing tall we compliment it all the time I feel like the go-to reference for everybody is daredevil the show if anyone's watched the fight scenes in that It's just it's always so much better when your character looks like they've actually been through something instead of just standing tall That was easy It depends on the tone that you're going for right, but yes It's especially in this kind of you know, this show would be far inferior if it if it if they just stood up like yeah We won and that was it Yeah, clager takes his first hit here. Yeah, and he does a smart Rose uh dirt in there.  Oh, what sorry, what's the move called?  There's a note about like the something small about this fight That's really cool. It gets carried on to in let's say the future. Um Anyway, they've won But they don't have the oh well, I guess it's worth mentioning. Yeah Deckard the leader of the bullies pulls out a knife.  He's desperate now and he's willing to kill them now He wasn't willing to kill him before Um not to mention the civil war will see why that he didn't do that right away either later in the episode too So no worries. Yeah, there's a lot of like it's it's a tiny little thing here But it's just a bit of character for Deckard and that you know He's the big man on campus or he wants to be the big man on campus at the very least He has been emasculated Yes, um almost just a good little character moment as well Vi just puts his face right to it and it's just like do you want to see where that goes?  Oh, yeah do it 50 post as well Do it go on do it I tend not to like see t-poses they do scammy and media it's so powerful but like Gotta be prepared for any um He fucks off great And then they go look for powder who's having her own action scene Yeah, she's just desperately trying to stay away from this guy and uh, she opts to throw one of her inventions at him But it just pops Full of nails Yeah, um Without a killed him like yeah It certainly could and that's that's something that's interesting to think about I would say like it's um, I think so too Like how does kind of have like Ted Kosinski vibes. She's like making pipe bombs and stuff like right well you I get I guess it'll be reincorporated later the idea that she If this would have gone off it very well might have like shredded him and killed him But It didn't work, but the next time she uses an explosive device It doesn't it also is like maybe Maybe it will I mean She has an excited look When it's about to go off rather than she doesn't care about the welfare of this asshole She wants wants to make sure the shit works There's two angles to that first off, you know, okay, she quite right in the head because of this But the other perspective is is this just life down here? Yeah, probably just how things are like Especially with the way zore knights tend to treat deaths throughout the show Um She's like retro She literally does here and I think it's the first instance of it, but it's something that I definitely noticed. Uh, she bites her lip Whenever she's in combat Um, and I I know it sounds like a strange sort of detail But it's just that it's something she does that nobody else does and she always does um Little like I didn't know this that at all so far. I'm trying to get it. That's interesting annoying because of copyright, but uh We'll see loads of examples of it uh going forward, but she Yeah, she I guess is her way of like On the verge of excitement with with how things are going to go by also has a tick that I've got a thing prepared for That it can show you it much better Um, but yeah, uh, it doesn't work. She's very sad about that and uh, instead of him Getting the stuff from her. She throws it over the edge to distract him and she gets away with the time that he spends looking for it Nobody gets it Uh, and yeah, and you hit the 20 minute mark almost at this point And it's just like, uh, I think I think we're doing pretty well in terms of giving us information I was already just like, hmm. All right You know, I think it's worth me watching it rather than just As as a lot of people will and I don't even blame them first because I do playing stuff But playing a game while having it on the second screen Play that a lot. Yeah Yeah, you'll miss a lot if you do that and that's kind of what I Realized when I had first watched it that I was doing work while watching it I realized on my second viewing that I had missed so much You know, rich subtle character development just by seeing their actions and it's just kind of crazy and so, you know We've had a couple of different Focus Yeah, it's kind of the difference between uh Sorry, yeah, that's the difference. Oh, no, I was in a month like just sort of like content Like it's like what monitor is it on right? It's like if you have to focus on it. It's like, you know That's really one or one content right here. So a lot of and it was in Well, go ahead Oh, no, I was just saying we had a lot of people going like, whoa, they're really uh They're they're really stretching for things to talk about here. It's like no, dude Like all of this is just the beginning And of course it just doesn't help that everything just looks so fun to look at too. That's just like come on I this is beautiful I want to appreciate the earlier episodes a lot of people say like one and two A boring or lame or whatever and it's like you'd be surprised how much is going on in these episodes. Um the inform future events, but uh Yeah, they um, they go to like a really dingy part of town Which apparently is where the one of the main elevators for taking you down to the the lanes is stored And um, they're just they're just arguing back and forth about how wow, you know, we the whole job was for nothing how to lost the um the swag And milo says every time she comes something goes wrong. She jinxes every job As somebody who hasn't seen As somebody like completely uninitiated with league of legends that went right over my head and then they but then it didn't later I've seen people call that on the nose. I feel like Yeah, like On the nose if you've played the game to death Exactly. It's not it's not a natural dialogue. It's only on the nose if you know I don't I don't stuff like that. I knew the matter. I don't think it's usually Yeah, yeah Stuff like that usually a noise look out of me and I didn't bother me at all As in like these people only think it's on the nose because they're so familiar with the matter, right? But again, so I'd rather clarify My reaction was like, oh nice nice way to slip that in. Um, when it's on the nose, for example, like Look asoka.  Um, which I only realized on my second watch through almost at the end We're surrounded by water That's not no, that's not what I was thinking It's like episode seven league. I was surrounded by water.   He was born on Kamino surrounded by water in the little tube baby tube I just want to cut character there when he says that it was goes it goes like that. What what do you mean?    No Oh asking rights So anyway, they they'll that's where he learned tusken rights from all the clones that makes sense Uh, they'll they'll their little almost fight is broken up by by baby Maybe if he maybe if he wasn't went to camino, he would say these waters belong to the clones Well, no, they belong to the camino people Not the clones. Maybe he thinks the clones deserve to stay there before they belong to the clones I I don't know. It's I I don't know how many generations of clones. I don't have an answer I don't know three Man, that's uh, how how long is that like 20 years because I grow up real quick, don't I? Yeah, ice speed. I think something like that.  Is it just like they have half the childhood or does like their growth acceleration Continue into like that aging because to me like as far as like growing up and then aging those are separate processes, right? Where One is you maturing in on all that and the other is um the degradation of your cells with time I'm sure they don't see why uh Perfect acceleration would accelerate use of everything because of the way that they've been Yeah, because they were given like the kind of like like simulations and Yeah, they've had a rough upbringing Yeah, they were well I'm gonna do reality further. Let's just say anyway. I'll cane if you guys remember I'll be very after what That's our cane Intro to all right the lanes Well, this is the thing it goes by a lot of names. You guys are welcome to call it whatever you want There's like four different names. Yeah, the under cities on the lanes I imagine multiple times while I was making notes for this like is it this This is the other game just come later for something else. It's like, oh no They just call it different things all the time. It is not officially called song. Yeah No, yeah, that's what they want. That's what they want to call it. Okay Um, but to be fair The under city is probably its official name, right? Pretty much.  Hey, I'm not a name. Why do you think zorn is a cringe name? I thought she sounds funny rune terra is way cringier than zorn I should call it all the world Yeah, magic world.  Or we call it luna, which means moon Yeah, because it's our moon and we define other moons, but that's why our star is called the sun But they're all suns It is it is it is significantly more important to us than the rest Is it a problem to uj that like one astronomical unit is the distance from the sun to the earth that it should be some other metric Even though this makes sense because we're just basically on metrics We have that gravity like one bar is the atmosphere pressure on the surface of earth. Is that like a problem? No Hold on because i'm not sure what's happening here anymore I I don't understand the criticism that we called our moon the moon it is our moon it was the first about which we made it's not a criticism What what was it then it's it's a defense of the name magic world Oh, but it's not a defense though Well, because we call like we call a plant wait, but that at that point you'd be like that's the equivalent of calling wales like You know country It's that's not what we do. Well, yeah a lot of places Well, that means so hard so hard as it that's the word Sahara means desert Like there's loads of names like this which is just based on the a word for the thing that it is Like I'm surprised that you didn't just point out that like a lot of countries Literal translation is like middle land or middle kingdom or something. Well, we're okay with middle earth. I assume right Well, I didn't well, I didn't know that that's but That isn't that what uh, isn't that what uh, well, it's the Mediterranean, right? It's the middle like the middle sea basically the middle points for for a lot of society For most like places no one sits down and go like for places that people have lived for a very long time, right? Uh places that don't get discovered places where basically you already are and it's been there for as long as living memory No one sits down and goes. Okay. What will we name this people just go? Oh, you know that place the hill place, right? And that's how it gets its name Also, oh, you know that the the the sea in the south and then it becomes it's just called south sea Well, I guess makes yeah, I mean who knows how well, I'm sure somebody knows how uh The names work but well, uh, I was gonna say are we about to get to the point where we say well To be fair any name can be based on anything and still be awesome or cringe and then we're just going to go By how it sounds and at that point of rune terror is that This is on sounds like someone went give me a name quick and they went I don't think so Zorn it has a has the right field. It sounds strong to me like, um I don't know like I just disagree with you on this one j griff lube Well, I think zon is a better name than rune terror. That's for sure. Yeah It's not even close as far as I'm concerned rune terror sounds like crap, but uh Anyway Even this so people make this joke a lot if you freeze anything in in arcane you've got yourself a pretty cool background. This is a pretty cool background Yes, yeah, it is absolutely Green tint as well and really very clearly shows the difference between pilt over and zon Yes, very easily The under city right now rusty older and at each other looking at each other at leering. Yeah Yeah, obviously Just absorbing facial reactions all the time.  Absolutely. Yeah um, not to mention by the way that they They know what's going to happen next which is that explosion is going to be people will find out about it and The man we've heard of being vanda is very likely someone that they're going to have to deal with Um wumbo Uh, but yeah, this is a little montage moment to just give you a big blast of The the lanes what kind of or pop music I like this song so it's fine. This one was a few said you thought didn't work, right?  Yes, and this lady of the night Particularly look at look at the expression changes.  Hey, baby. How you doing? I think she's looking at plaga too, and he's just like no, I'm right I like him juicy and she's like, ah, whatever.  Yeah, crugs. It's one of the it's one of the creep camps in the jungle So there you go. I think rags wasn't you or someone else that was like, oh jay It could have been you actually I can't remember but someone when I was watching it was like that's probably a game thing I'm sure you're happy something like that Great wasn't me. I think that was someone else. I made basically no I think I made a I think a Single maybe comment related to it being a game and that was jay slater. I made a few comments about that. Um I don't I don't remember it at this part though I'm I could have someone I would have put money on it being you out of everybody But yeah, someone I was watching it saw the little creature in the box and was like, I'm sure that makes you happy And I was like, I'm not sure what it is Um, yeah, I said that I said that exact thing about lots of things But I'm pretty sure it wasn't the creature that I said that about very well I'll take it because I I looked at that creature and I was like, I've never I don't recall even like registering that that thing was there um Yeah underappreciated shot probably As they walk in check this out Got flagger just looking at powder Then I think she realizes Then they both look kind of forward like like it's There's an awareness that she's being judged. Yeah, of course. She knows that even by the nice guy He's like, yeah, it's all happening because of her um The interesting no But uh, it all leads to the last drop the bar um When everyone seems to be heading this it's almost like a little sanctuary or maybe the right way would be like a beacon It's like at the end of the or maybe even the center of the place, but a lot of people seem to go here Um It is the last drop The first drop is on the other side of the street and they're they're fucking not doing that. Well, yeah, it's like the world's end It's yeah, it's like I just I just got here. I don't need to I just got no I'm not I'm not here for the last drop. This is no Even in zon. There's a starbucks across from a starbucks Probably it's worth it. It's worth noting that they're not calling us on yet on the first bucks No, the the lions. Yeah, I'll be on the city. Yeah the under city. Yes So whatever the opposite of a neck beard is this guy's totally it his beard is climbing up all the way to his eyes You can you can have a neck beard that goes up to your eyes as long as it starts on the neck, right? I guess. Yeah, I can't quite tell. I don't even notice that.  He's he's he's more beard than man now Like metal Metal is more beard than man But I don't think it goes up that high I can confirm my beard doesn't never go up to my eye Your beard is pretty close to your eyes though It gets up there Your beard and your hair does your beard just extend backwards on the back of your head and come up over the top I just don't have normal hair just old beard even on the top of my hand Yeah, this whole time metal was bald his beard took over Yeah, whenever someone talks about metal's beard, he has to ask them to clarify Do you mean my top beard or my bottom beard? No, not that bottom beard Bottom bottom beard eventually we got there Just to grow that one out a little bit We see socially awkward nerdy guy grabbing some beers and going over to People who are apparently conducting a good old deal, but they tell him They're paying less. He's like, but no, we agreed and um, I kind of like this immediate dynamic of Like this this this big guy who's like calling the shots But in the like there's a bit of shade because the light source is pretty limited There's this spooky looking girl to his right and just like, what's the deal? What's going on over there? Yeah, uh, they go over it but to the point where the guy like refuses outright And then she puts a He throws it back to him and she's she puts a knife through the center of a coin that's got a little hole in it terrifying so accurate And um, I think she puts the knife down and says like make your choice Meaning the money or the knife the coin or are you gonna fight?  That's what happens In in the popular video game league of legends, is that like what the money icon is or is there a money icon? Of sorts. Does it look like that? Theo help Sorry, I don't think that looks like in the popular smash hit video game league of legends Is the currency or money icon in the game? The money in the show Uh Well in the game it's just gold. Nothing really beyond just you know, gold Is the icon look like it looks in the show? We don't have a visual representation.  I don't know that the show is ready to tackle the issue of coinage in pre modern societies Yeah, that's But it has to them Yeah And have them in bags and look the bags even like what we're doing is coaching together When will she be in the game? Theo? Uh tomorrow Nice When she went to the tattoo parlor, she was like give me a butterfly. You're like where? On my face surprise me Wakes up with that on her face I thought this was caterina by the way No, what this is I said, I thought this was caterina just to show you how little I know about league of legends lord Just because she has the knife Yeah, that's basically the only reason I was like, oh, that's that's the thing with the death thing spinnies Um Yeah, uh, then the bartender drops in and um This was something uh me and fringy watched a review of this and i'm gonna reference it here and there just with Thoughts i'm aware of the people have had about this show But um that person said he hated the idea of everyone wants to defend the bartender. It's such an annoying cliche Um I don't know that that's on its own At all a bad thing First of all the bartender is gonna know everyone they're probably better than most people will know each other there like In general and then yeah, I mean one person that probably everyone knows And if you threaten to hurt him, I imagine there will be people willing to defend him I don't see there being a problem with that Um, but I think that when you find out the context of who this man is More so than just a bartender.  Um, and the bartender is probably gonna be the one who's familiar with most people there Yes, but isn't that cliche Well, you know, it's cliche for characters to die if they get stabbed in the face Well, then we got to avoid that we got to subvert it knives in my head my only weakness How did you know how did you figure that one out? It's very cliche that he's capable of lighting his pipe here with fire Yeah, I've noticed that that fire again cliche. It would be cliche for layer to die in the vacuum of space This is actually bring something up So there was a big controversy in league of legends about removing graves' cigar And then in this show tobacco was featured very prominently in this show among other drugs I was murdered other drugs Yeah, like did anyone else find that weird? I found that pretty weird graves has a cigar back. So Oh, he does. Okay. He deserves his cigar. It's awesome Were they were they afraid that the player base would be encouraged to pick up the habit of smoking? Well I'm pretty sure that uh, I'm pretty sure that like all marvel films don't have anybody smoking or uh I'm pretty sure that there's no marvel movies where they're allowed to smoke like that. It's just I mean I do wonder if statistically if that increases if showing it in that kind of context would increase the rate I wouldn't be surprised if it did but I don't know that that's reason enough to remove them from media when you're telling stories Well, I mean it depends right it depends on the kind of story it depends on the context depends on what's going on And I wouldn't I think it's like I lighten up one Disney has a mandate no smoking so it's like fucking um Because like it is a net it isn't it is a net good for like fewer people smoking, right? So if you're gonna be Um, if it's if you're writing a story and it's like, hey, we could give the cigarette Like we could get this character a cigarette Right, or we could just not and like it's just it really doesn't matter either way then yeah I don't see any reason Well, like, you know, you could have to smoke. Well, yeah, just question I'm fine with the decision to have them not for that reason, right? All of Folks is weird Yeah, if you're removing like if what you're removing is like a big part of the story Or if it's important or if it's meaningful characterization at that point Yeah, of course, I would have a problem with that very well Someone pointed out Ross smokes an incredible Hulk. Yeah, I'm pretty sure disney bought marvel the year after I was gonna say that's not a disney product. Yeah This obadiah. Oh, well, yeah, because that would be before as well. That's two. Yeah Yeah, because marvel they bought marvel in 2009 and a lot of people point out I guess wolverine ain't smoking cigars. It's like, yeah, probably not But he's in a bar having the drinkily drankle.  That's fine That's horrifying people might drink more Apparently you don't even care Great down to you, right? I know let's press on uh Fucking timing I'm like, yeah, give me one sec because I gotta add Some guys just stumbled in Despicable All right, you enjoying whatever But yes, this is a great introduction to van der and I realize I've been talking a lot I don't know if anyone else wants to Take the reins on why Okay We're going chronological whereas a lot of the things I want to say are just like more broad observations Right, but so just what I mean is do with it. What I what I've done with anyone else is So like what what do we what do we know about this guy from the scene? Uh, oh Well by the end of it, I think the main thing that we establish is that like he's got a reputation Like a a good one broadly with the people uh in the city What's also like he he displays confidence. He seems able to read people He seems to be kind of a mature and somewhat level headed reasonable person He's diplomatic. I think that's like a big thing that we immediately pull away from the scene is that he is conflict resolution Is like a peacekeeper in a way It's not like a pace caper. Yeah Combined with the prologue scene we get a very clear Yes, that priorities have changed That's uh, that's another because I don't know that anybody would be confused as to whether he's the same person So it's like to see him again in this context.  Well, there goes my joke. I was about to say like I think it's kind of I think it's kind of funny that uh Drinker shows up once we get to the bar scene Yeah I just like the drinkers that is his halloween profile pickup That shows you how much he uses discord Yeah, exactly. It's uh, this is my third time this year of being on discord. Oh, wow It's only been like a few days since then it's totally chill. But yeah, how you doing? Welcome. Well Yeah, yeah, I'm good man. Uh, we've gotten to vandals introduction in two hours Wow, okay, we're racing through the show. It's it's hence This is gonna be a long one But I suppose right now I summarized everything everything on the show on metals forge, I think Wow Well, let's just go ahead and play that and then let's just play that back to yeah Back to the same switch to uh chair icons. Oh, yeah. Yeah, just put on just put on metals forge Put the e-fap thing over it so we don't get content ID struck And then once we don't let it go metal. I don't want him to see me He doesn't have he doesn't have uh I can't ID you don't get that until you get like a certain number of subscribers manual claim by who? Oh Uh But I was gonna say we all kind of did it so I feel like drinker should get his shot as well um We're trying to It sounds weird, but trying to go is kind of spoiler free even though a lot of the stuff we say Is only meaningful if you've seen the entire show. It's one of those weird balances. We're trying to strike but um Just overall, what did you think of arcane in a couple paragraphs? I thought it was an excellent show. I thought it dealt with lots of pretty complex character development It developed the world fantastically well Arcane or sorry league of legends is not something I knew anything about so I came into this totally blind But I had a pretty good sense of the world and the people in it and the different factions Um, I loved how complex and nuanced the characters were How complex their relationships were and how they were in a lot of ways all deeply flawed people Um some trying to do their best others less so but yeah, they all had something about them that you could At least empathize with so that's pretty damn rare in a show nowadays and That combined with whatever else has been saying man Go got a lot of praise. Okay It did get a lot of praise. I'm glad that it deserved it Yeah, because I'm seeing a lot of other shows get praise and they definitely don't deserve it Some people just clap at anything. It's apparently the case It doesn't deserve praise the book of Boba Fett is uh, no that one definitely does I was referring to something else The book of Boba Fett deserves the opposite of praise. What it deserves to be thrown off of a bridge Um I try to Play pause like three seconds at a time while we're just talking about it So it's kind of like this just I'm into see it I love this image right now how these two feel about this situation Vanda's so chill Yeah, this guy is just like, oh my god.   Yeah, this is my last day Yeah, uh, Vanda basically squashes the tension he makes it so that everyone's calmed down and and whatever Was promised by either party is sorted. Okay, cool and um, he sees our Little kids coming in through the door and it's like I guess a useful sort of we've come to learn a decent chunk about them at the same time as quickly learning about him We'll start getting already like good old character conflicts because they end up having them A big old discussion and uh, there's a line that is delivered During the sort of him chewing them out for he doesn't know what they've done From their own mouths yet, but he just he can already tell that they've they've done.  Yeah Yeah, uh There's a line Where you sort of like I said chewing them all out but uh, she says How did you get so comfortable living in someone else's shadow? Which um, very representative of again piled over is the the casting the shadow over the lanes Mm-hmm Even the way that they sit there's something you could say about it. Um Yeah, I imagine that um Howard is pretty scared at this point as well because not only is she just as culpable for having done all this as they are Well, vi is the most comfortable Uh culpable because she's the leader but at the same time They all went and powders actually the one that fucked everything up as well So yeah, and she's very these these younger than the rest so her I guess they're you know That'll affect her a lot. You know this is doubly nervous for her But it's a I guess fun instant dynamic of this guy seems to be very in control and mature while these lot are clearly like What does he land? You know, what does what what might be the difference? But he's um between that lived experience And it looks to be what you can draw ready is that they actually live here with him And you combine that with the earlier prologue scene. You're like, oh, yeah, he's probably literally like their dad all functions as such But when she says that line he sends them all out to have more specific conversation with her And um, you get through the conversation that Piltover is the rich dawn or the lanes of the poor And if you push too hard the enforcers will come Banda is warning against that and he says like No, they aren't supposed to do jobs up top is what he says Yeah They're they're they're weighing in on a very Very unsteady piece right now Um, and what I think you can draw from a lot of it is that uh, he understands Exactly what they're feeling But it's complicated. Like he doesn't just say your grounded bad move trying to reach her Which is already quite like, you know, we we haven't even gotten that far into the show and it's already like, I like this guy Uh, yeah, because you can see he knows what's going on.  Yeah, yeah about living in Piltover shadow. He's he doesn't take that well still I would say You know it sends everyone out immediately afterwards and then yeah And and right after people when they when they're done with the stern talking He goes like, yeah, what you're right and gets like some I guess some disinfectant or alcohol to just treat her wounds a little bit Yeah, because he's knowing that he clearly cares about her, which is also really nice. Well, if you remember, um We are complimented under water for this Yeah, when the captain was first talking to one of the I think it was christian stewart's character A couple of things the first thing he says the is like, um, are you guys okay when he's trapped in a room or something like that? Um, and when he's freed he starts gathering medical equipment to help them with the the wounds They have while asking them the state of the station We were just like so great to show that he's Like where his concerns are and yeah, vanda sees her hand grabs it. I think he says, um This won't solve your problems. It just makes more of them Which you know closer to us over it will get as over it as we'll get in terms of what's changed him as a person and prologue Yeah In a lot of ways vander and vi are almost the same character But at different points in their life Like a lot of these conversations basically feel like vander talking to a younger version of himself and like giving advice and being like Because it seems like he had done a lot of the a lot of the same stuff um, he's there's also sort of um A leadership mentoring thing going on where they both serve leadership roles Like vander serves as kind of the de facto leader of the lanes, right and vi is at least the leader of You know the group of siblings. I guess Yeah, I think a line he has is something like you know as the person They'll do whatever you say so whatever they do you're responsible for it And the second he said that I was like you're talking about yourself, aren't you? Oh, yeah Yep. Yeah, exactly They do that a lot in this show and it's very enjoyable. It's like food for the brain because instead of Yeah, instead of the line being the line and you're like, right, I got it. It's Well, other lines are still happening Oh, I love the way the things that characters choose to say are informed by their perspectives. Yeah, we don't get that Yeah, like when boba fret says that he grew up surrounded by water. I went. Oh, yeah, that's right Because he did grow up surrounded by water Yeah, there's a lots of water where he grew up that that it really informs that thing he decided to say I feel like when he said I never walked worked for bib before tuner. I was thinking. Oh, yeah, right because he's stupid That makes sense that he would say that I think uh, this scene is probably a strong example of what is at this point becoming an often cited Sort of standard for dialogue when you can achieve more than one thing with one line of dialogue Not just what's being said, but what they've chosen not to say or the underlying meaning behind it or what that tells us about their history Achieving more than one thing at the same time Just you love to see yeah, because like I don't think that he's deliberately there thinking I don't think he's deliberately there making like an analogy about himself I think that he thinks this about himself and that's why it's occurred to him to say it about her, right? Yeah It's something that wells on his mind it weighs on his mind a lot is that he thinks this and that this is So he's giving the same advice that he has come to the conclusion based on his own thoughts about himself He's giving that advice to someone else, right?   People get people telling me things that they had done as mistakes Um, and then I went and did the same thing and then telling people You know, like the character development of your own life You can't just skip ahead just because someone tells you what you ought to do Yeah, precisely it and there's there's a lot of choices in this in this show It's part of why I think it's pretty well written in terms of plot is there are a lot of things that are justified But probably bad decisions. It's like it's not as though There isn't any reason for you to do this or any reason to believe this might be a good idea But if you were to consider all the things that are relevant Um, there are predictable consequences, you know, and you sort of you sort of reap the consequences of the decisions that you're making And I feel like van der has been through a lot of that and vise about to go through a lot of that Yeah, she hasn't been through it yet precisely She's at the early stage of Of uh, of this journey She's saying the kind of things that probably brought van to that bridge to begin with exactly exactly. Yeah Uh, we see the mylo is trying to listen in with a little like I don't even know what you call those Think of it as a funnel, but for your ear I don't know what they call right a funnel for your ear and ear. Oh, the motel funnel Uh, and flagger is just Sitting on the stairs waiting while Acknowledging that he's got a black eye as well He looks pretty sad and I imagine it's because of the fact that he's just you know Mylo seems like someone who's much more self-driven claggers just sort of here and willing to help with whatever everyone's up to Uh, yeah, so that's once it suffers for that.   I think but as they walk out we come we see that um powders collecting Bits and bobs that can eventually be a part of her little invention Um, but when she puts it into a pocket she realizes she still has A little uh, what is it called the gem? Gemstones basically Yeah, I don't know. They're specific names. I could because the the the stable version is called a gemstone, right? Yeah, the gemstone is the stable version. I forget exactly what the other one's called Okay, well, I think what's not okay. Yeah, she wants to tell The vi about it obviously because it's the one thing she still got from the job that proves that something came of it Um, but she catches This is something that can happen commonly at a lot of stories. She catches the worst part of the conversation where milo says he's Like we were better.   I'm trying a b repeat it on like five seconds. I don't get hippocopy, right? but um Just reminds me of the best kind of hand-drawn Uh Stuff we would get as well and then top tier stuff. So here Please don't be long enough to get me the stream banned. All right But yeah, just keep an eye on her face for this little bit. It's so expressive Yeah, it is All of the animation in this is superb It makes me feel like it's modeled after someone actually doing it, but I assume it's not Um, well, can it not be more capped? There is no So it wouldn't be necessarily more capped. You see you sometimes see it get posted I saw it for that new disney movie and console where it's like they show that the animators had references that they had done Where they'd done the framing and had people perform the movements, but then they would then you know using that footage they would animate it Um, so that may well be what they did here. Um, and they may well have done some other things too. Yeah, just reference So many of the movements are so Just like the random movements that you real people make when the when they're in intense situations like that That you just feel like a computer program would never pick up. You know To animate that there was this thing that was going on during the fight. Sorry drinker. I'll get back the um I like this part where during the fight When the bully was about to basically pounce back on to uh, Milo Milo just kind of like He's kind of brings his leg out to just maybe try to block him to like absolutely no avail It's just what something you would see somebody who's never really been in a fight before Or very often would do just out of habit It was just kind of like a funny little thing that I had noticed him along the way So it's like it just kind of plays into that. But yeah, sorry, I didn't mean interrupt I think it was um, I it's one of the things I noticed throughout Is like these little what ticks and it was kind of mentioned before but yeah There's just like a lot of things that are just really subtle Um that you didn't have to do but it just elevates it so much more The um, the one that really sticks out to me is the micro movements of the eye where it's Just little little dots back up down for it just makes the eyes feeling like they're so much more alive Paul's drinking good to say No, I think I just I No, no, I think I just literally made my point there. I was just finished and speaking so oh, okay good. Um good Yeah, uh, uh really I was just gonna say parts like this I'll try and highlight here and there as we go But seriously like there's there's so many of these that I'm really impressed with Very good Yeah, and they're called hex crystals and hex tech gemstones. All right. There you go. Okay crystal versus The the stones would be the refined proper ones because yeah hex tech isn't a name yet Yeah That makes sense now And someone in chat wanted me to mention I was going to a little bit later But the fact that she overheard them saying that isn't something that leads to something big plot-wise It's it's literally like vi clarifies it a scene later. So it's yeah It would have been annoying if if that didn't happen because it is a very annoying I'd forget like I'd forgive smaller things like that. Uh, but you're right.  Oh, yeah. What a prick, right?  Absolutely. She's got a lot of paranoia with how they feel about her Well, yeah, that's that's probably the important part to qualify here Is it's not that she had no reason to believe that these are things that would be said about her? Like it's not it's not like she was totally blindsided by the observation that she's not That she's got problems in terms of competency. Yeah, it's confirming insecurities that already exist Exactly Also, I learned a word from the chat saccade a rapid movement of the eye between fixation points That's man. There you go. Oh my god. Well, what a fun fact. It's not hard. I totally do that God That's that so that's what you were seeing when you were mentioning like the small rapid eye movement. There's a word for that That's pretty cool. Thanks.  There you go. Pointless little fact for you. That's interesting Um Just just just doing some just I was actually going to say that the uh, if you keep an eye on it You see those micro movements like all the time And I I almost do want to because like I think some people are like man You're just over praising it But it's like I don't know how else to explain it the the expressions blew me away in the show So like I think something's going on here more so than is going on in other stuff. I've seen Um Well, maybe if everything else wouldn't be so shit Well, I will I think it is a situation of I think we often Probably shouldn't say we because it might not be everybody that 3d animation has improved substantially From like toy story, but I think that because it's been such a gradual Like development that you really need to see like the beginning to where we are now to notice like how much better 3d animation has got in terms of capturing expressions because it's not like a lot of a lot of stuff now has really good facial animation Compared to what they used to be able to do before where it's like very little touches and instead of just like You know sort of like default happy or default sad or default Like scared. There's like minor variations in those now that they're able to capture Um Yeah, I think a lot of stuff is getting really good at doing facial animation now If you check out our coverage of 101 Dalmatians, I think we very Quickly start saying like oh these expressions Oh, yeah. Yeah, exactly Yeah, it's just yeah, you know, we do pick them up. It's just like I don't know I think arcane is it's helped dramatically Uh with how much you can get invested in character by being able to read their face very very well Yes, there is never any confusion You were you were getting a lot of information uh from the expressions a lot Uh, I think it helps Oh, we'll go ahead because it's animation deliberate Oh, I think I've ruggled a bit uh because it's animation, you know that it's all deliberate someone did this on purpose So it's like you're almost kind of you're going to read into this stuff More so maybe just by virtue of the fact that you know that it was on purpose Not that like acting isn't on purpose.  Oh, these guys probably quite familiar with each other. Okay, cool Um, and I'm just gonna say this there's no reason to do absolutely anything with this information No need for anyone to comment on me saying this echo is working on a clock um Just a quick thing uh the thing that benzo's looking at there is magnifying glass thing. That's a heart of gold It is was removed from legal ads. I'm still salty about that. Yeah What what did that do? It gave you a bit of health and it was a gold generation item.  Hey Um, it's cool because he's that's a cool reference shop guy He's a really cool reference. I remember being like There she is More item I miss it um Yeah, um, so echo is sent outside. He's just a little kid who works with benzo Let me just point out also his first line of the show is give me a few seconds. Yeah Yeah Also, I think um, I don't think it is his name echo like right off the bat Yes Because they refer to him as little man. Well, that's just like a nickname, right? Yeah, because he's small I He's sure It's just that I wasn't sure if they were calling him echo right off the bat Did they call him did he call him by his name echo when he was sending him off? I think so. Yes echo Okay They try and insinuate the the job came from a shifty background like someone going by the Name little man and Milo gets reaction.  No, it's just a kid. They know Uh, which by the way We get a little more context on how that job started Which he says that a guy came into benzo's shop and paid double for basically everything So echo concluded that uh, he must have a lot of shit to be able to steal in his place And so followed him back to his house Yep Which is neat as piece of information because that tells you that whoever was in that Endhouse has been searching for all kinds of materials all over the place to build things Yep, um, he's rich or at least richer than significantly than the people of zorn But yeah, uh, something I quite like is that uh, they Benzo and band are talking about the potential repercussions from all of this and Um, they talk about the enforcers coming down and then van der says there are worse things than enforcers and Looks to his arm and puts his hand on it Uh That's pretty interesting for later stuff And I like the when we go outside Great little moment.  You guys go into a fight. Did vi kick their asses and uh clagga says we wouldn't be here if otherwise Like implying that she's the one that got them through the whole thing Uh, he's the guy who took on two at once Hmm quite humble.  Oh no And uh there's this um There's this line. I think we're uh Grayson says Uh, the things involved with like what the explosion was um Make this place look like a candy shop Just trying to plug the gravity of the situation and if you remember benzo's expression when she says that It's funny. I'm trying to get to it. Uh I suppose it's worth saying first The the two enforcers They're quite the characters. Um Would anyone like to maybe talk about the difference between them just from what we get from this scene if you if you memory see Grayson and markers Those those two or with benzo and uh, no, I think grayson and markers They didn't force Grayson I think they call it sheriff. She's a sheriff. Yeah She's the sheriff of the enforcers, which I guess like the commanding position of them all um And yeah, she clearly needs some need needs someone to blame in order to keep the peace between the two cities Because they like vander and grayson are both aware if we don't do something At least a little bit the the higher ups and piled over will be very angry And there's going to be a lot of enforcers down here and it's going to get ugly So those those two are pretty much like, yeah, we need to keep it low need to do something We need like a scapegoat basically So give me someone and we can settle it And marcos on the other hand is like, oh, you're all pieces of shit.  You're nothing and he basically hates the under city Like he's very antagonistic to everyone Big on them And I'd say this is probably the first Big commentary on I guess the world Like in terms of this is when it comes more into focus of the dynamics here Because the conversation is mainly about the broader implications of the The the explosion and everything rather than specifically like oh the explosion was bad or stealing is bad. It's like You know, they're not going to be content with nobody being punished for this. There are there are politics at play and Grayson is very Aware of that, but she's more diplomatic. She's more like uh vanda Grayson. Yeah, she's very much is his opposite number, isn't she? Like for the pragmatic Unless it's driven by like The sort of idealism of their job and more just like yeah, this is what we need to do To maintain the peace And I think it's also worth noting the voice actress has been in a number of video games Does anybody want to take a stab at pronouncing that name? It's no She was in the expanse and she was pretty good in that. It was also she was also uh wrong She does have a very distinctive voice Extremely distinctive voice and I think Lands are a lot of roles. I love it. It's very good. Yes. I could listen I could listen to read a phone book and I'd be cool with that I think so. Yes I mean that that is the kind of voice that Yeah, you've lived a life if you have a voice like that. I think Yeah, but I would say you can already run a parallel at this point of Vander and here are like two sides of a coin while Marcus and Vi are the other two sides of a coin Marcus seems to be very aggressive against anybody from the undercity He's got a very colored view of the undercity and he's very impetuous.   He's looking for a reason Basically. Yeah, he's trying to antagonize them into doing something shitty I think he's mostly he's got a big chip on their shoulder. Um, yeah chip on his shoulders respect to them like He knows they don't respect him Yeah, and I think it's neat to know it's more in a later scene the gas masks as well that they Put on to move through the under city when everyone we've seen so far doesn't need them and so it's You can get a sense that it's uh air They're not used to but also that it it's just it's a very clear separating line in terms of the classes. I would argue Mm-hmm. Yeah, like we don't want to breathe your air Um, but they obviously bring it down knowingly that it's not necessary At least in the in the buildings. I've noticed because Grayson's wearing it when she comes but Yeah, she sends him out and so Grayson and van der can have A very mature discussion about what happens next which is essentially somebody's head has to roll for that explosion It's too significant and she said it regards the kinemans um Apparently a big name because like we don't know a lot yet And she says people were hurt So van der's like i'll deal with the people who did it but it's not good enough Um, yeah, I think this is what I was talking about, right? So she she says it would make this place look like a candy shop um This is that uh what bed so looks like what she says it I even do it.  It's so it's so small but yet it's so Uh meaningful Yeah, I love how they could easily have said something but they they choose instead to speak it through just expressions Showed on tell Exactly, he could have said hey, but instead they just chose to make him speak with his eyes and there's just there's just something great about that Yeah, because you you can draw so much about that expression.  What do you mean? What? I think I'd also say they did that delivery the libertarian way, uh Talking as hard, okay uh because he probably realizes how important that conversation is And also the writers knew that this is an important conversation Right. He's doing this. Yes doing this weird interruption. It's like a hey would be like super out of place So they just said this is like And it makes the show very rewatchable.  I didn't even see that the first time around You're like, yeah, I know I'm already seeing bunch of stuff.  Yeah, maybe tomorrow Yeah, maybe tomorrow Um and the conclusion of the conversation she gives him a um one of them. I don't know what they're called They go into the pneumo tubes, right? Like little messenger ball things. Yeah, like the capsules or whatever Uh basically use this to tell me who I'm gonna take into custody because Someone's gotta come and he's just like fucks it um Yeah, uh And again, you realize like we're at the half hour mark now. It's just like doing pretty well Uh for first episode And then we go back the powder who's Oodling around with some of the things she's collected And it's it's I think Pretty interesting set even though this this comes with the character if you grab it from uh the game, but just All the mechanical and engineering stuff and then a box full of crayons like there is combined I'm not sure if it was mentioned that echo he's dropped on the whole meeting. Oh, sorry. Yeah, that's definitely worth it plot-wise he not only He's dropped on it all but it just I guess shows a little bit of um Ingenuity on his part like the tools he's using to do it Um, it's it's super relevant. It's like a it's like a necessary plot. No. No. Yeah I realized that when I'd gotten to where that's gonna be really important I would have just said because he heard the conversation, but um quick mention Uh, definitely finds it shocking because it is And there are some masks in the background That uh one of them also looks like a mask from the intro Also young echo is incredibly cute. His hair is awesome. Yeah. Yeah Yeah, um vai comes to like just comfort powder now that we're like the aftermath of this drama And she just feeds back to her the quotes she heard and by um tries to you know, just calm it down and stuff And she says I'm not a fighter But I says you don't have to be Um, and I really like it when she says you don't have to be I think uh powder is an expression of frustration Like that's not reassuring to her that she'd have to fight And she's a part of a group of people that that's what they do to survive Well, yeah, she doesn't want to be told. Yeah, you're not good and that's okay. She wants to hear it. No, I can't do this I wonder if that's gonna be a thing just a persistent thing. We're dropping lots of things that wish to be considered Yeah, I love it Advice says you don't have to be and then she just she looks like it. This is like anguish. Like that's yeah Hitting her head on the on the little device as well Um, and so vai realizes this ain't working as as reassurance. So she takes her up to a rooftop S