And finally our MC arrives. Welcome back to the channel. We have one piece episodes 467 and 468 today And yes, Luvius finally here. He said whitebeard step aside. No, but like hopefully they will fight together Crocodile actually took a swipe at whitebeard surprisingly enough takes a lot of gusto I'm guessing it's just gonna just get louder and louder from here. If you knew the channel drop a sub and let's hop into him He doesn't Me not hide after breaking out, you know why he's here Because he's a loopy Toby does know I guess he's saying like any Regular person would just run and be free after breaking out of Impel down Heard what no way you got away from this conversation Always telling him that they're moving up the excuse. Yeah No, you're getting all set Oh, that's okay, so there was still some confusion about their plan or some secrecy. Yeah, I mean he's sort of pushing forward No problem Because he's loopy I wonder where dragon is right now like why a Revolutionary army wouldn't be a part of like storming the literal Navy HQ.   I'm scared man No, we already got the word Marco. Thank you, though God he's such a unit man They wanted them to find out yeah, cuz they spoke in code and then said that just straight up It's like a chess match between singoku and white beard Staring each other down Dude, he's so powerful after we've seen a kind of power now I feel like out of all three animals Kizuru is the strongest I don't mean to like underestimate a kind new from like from what we've barely seen but he's worth something else, man We just saved Luffy's life. Oh my gosh Buggy and all these guys are so out of their element man They're losing faith I don't marked out the marines logo Yeah, guys, I'm just kidding Dragon because I've been so close to dragon That place or kuma is not oh My god, I've been I don't understand kuma You Have a role as a world we've known each other. We've known each other so long. I don't understand So Ivan has known kuma too for so long and kuma has always also had a throwaway line back at Thor bark about having some Having known dragon in some capacity too. He's such a bizarre character Oh my gosh Dango is that iron body? Oh My gosh my good. There's no way guys. There is absolutely no way. He doesn't remember you Full body not iron body Hey, it's the dude that's on me beat up a brought the a My goodness, I cannot believe they're here. Does he still like moonwalk One two jungle one two jungle Like why aren't you looking? It's just there's no way he still does that there is no way She's just speaking third person Yeah, so she's like what is her nickname like the black cage or whatever I mean, I wouldn't mind you know He's a right pastor He know failed why she keeps speaking in third person Captain score looks creepy man.  Oh No, I think it is it looked like him Even though it's someone we haven't seen yet watchers just randomly checking on like Sanji or someone during this chopper on his Island with birds. It's just like meanwhile in in South blue I just feel like it's gone and I don't want to say too well But it's going well for the pirates right now.  He has a real place in this war.    I understand I was to You're not he has to know deep down. He wasn't changing his mind He's a little bit really gonna give Gekko Moria around to That has to be Jim Bay Because it has salt in the water. No shot If I remember correctly No, Jim Bay's become one of my favorite characters, I swear so quickly Oh Another giant He's giving them back story Now everybody's informed Worst criminal in history everybody's fighting out now He revealed it now everybody knows Oh my god, we know That explains everything. Yeah, cuz dragon was the one that stopped smoker, right? That's what they said Yeah, cuz he said you met him at low town He's such an interesting character still to I feel like we're gonna find out to an extent where where dragon is soon. They're spreading the news about his son Oh, dude about Louie being his son People are gonna find out eventually and that yeah, he's worried about them Dude, I feel like it's getting into the point where we have to see a fourth gear if he's got one on it sleep I Love that style change.  Let's keep it running Man, they're just surrounded At what point is he no longer considered a rookie I mean my man's like a 300 million bounty that is no rookie numbers man I'm so many just ready to give their lives, but it's not even just saving ace anymore It's just fighting against this this Navy like I just just organization fighting against the government in general Those are vise-at-em-roll sir Unit all firing at white beard eyes got it I'm ready for white girl to really step in man I know he has to command the troops and whatnot, but oh and I also he said he didn't want to like step into Sengoku's plan of having them.  What is he done to deserve it? Just being a pirate? Because your brothers You can't even help You know, what do you mean what's wrong garb?   For real They're more than I can handle I love white beard playing into it like this He's a yep sounds good sir Man, it's just reinforcing them. I hate this All out let's see it buggy He's like buggy's actually lost it. Oh my gosh He's lost it He's so disconnected from reality. I join with you the white beard buggy team up I love mr. Threes commentary over the collapse of buggy's mental state Now white beer recognized they need everyone they can get so might as well trick buggy a little bit There's still people showing up from the ships Oh, no, what's the plan change the formation water they did it's all a bait I didn't walk into a trap. They want them to get closer. Were they're just being surrounded Oh, no Wait squad was the one that was confronted by it. Well, I'm pretty sure it was a kind new Where is he? Calvin brothers, that's their names Why you're making this move Targeting the ships first. No white beard smart. He's recognizing this Yeah, rightfully so That a walrus So they're just gonna turn all their attention on the ships dude. What happened to squad Pirates of the new world I like that. Is this what's thing go group planned on though is the question Yeah, I want ace to be able to play back so bad man. It was a lame trick. Yeah, even I saw through it And I don't see through things like that There's so many big players here, bro, I even can't get the job done Ivan and Jim Bay I don't even see the voice into what Jim bacon do yet They don't stand a chance with these three together exhibit a More painful than death the fact that gecko moria has won at the most green time out of all the warlords The funniest thing ever Let's go Wasn't this straight up just like bar I Swear to God I do a laugh to your list one day one piece left to your list The shadows he's yo-ing it up. He's a yo-ing in them. Oh Shoot oh shoot. He's juicin. We've seen this one The voice change baby You got bigger Spin tell him Jim, babe Let's go warlord be warlord Jim big sister. Oh my god.  I'm cheering for Jim, babe, but come on man The fight is not over and he just walks away. Oh my god Y'all lose having to go through so many to shiggy and smoker.  He's not gonna be able to hit him I don't think yeah He's like says you Gonna matter man. This is some insane animation. Oh my gosh昔より強いのは My god Please Not just cuz he's his son but because he's he's powerful and he can become more powerful and before dragon shows up and saves him right now Mummy if he's dad saves in the first time his mommy's saving him this time Wait, what if she does her sign right now Defeat by my anger them laying a hand on him. Oh my gosh. Oh my god Boa The hockey of kooja Who just works out the kooja the law her like people He can see he can feel her hockey though. Is that that's like her anger? I mean it's that energy But I've been so raising with him I don't know how you What happened after Saba Odie Did they do something to it? What Did they kill the one that was in Saba Odie? Okay, maybe I was wrong maybe after everything that did happen Saba Odie They did punish kuma and they just straight up killed him and maybe it's just a lifeless monster inside now It was confusing at first with all the copies and whatnot But this is definitely the main one because he's holding the Bible the the copies didn't have the Bible So maybe yeah, he's just lifeless now But that begs the question who was the old kuma and what were what was the old kuma's motivations in this case? Oh my gosh There's a lot happening dude these episodes are just like packed to the brim with stuff But Jim Bay versus Gekko Moria was not on my bingo card. I love how quickly he took him down too I did not expect Moria to get any screen time of this even though he is a warlord I thought I would let all the others have a ton of screen time But yeah, I know he's had the biggest fight thus far But like I said, it is really sad to see ace's mental state and where he's at And I guess just how helpless he he feels with a like not being able to help any any of them And they're all basically dying for him It's like this this guilt or this weight that is just pushing down on him more and more and more as they get closer to him But I feel like both sides have yet to show their full hand both white beard and Sengoku And that's why like I said it is just like a chess match them making one move after another with just brawls in between Because that's been it for episodes 467 and 468 of our one piece watch through drop us up So you don't miss anything else and I'll catch you guys in the next one. Peace. Peace


Hello, everyone. Welcome back to JSA TV and JSA Podcasts, where we're covering the latest stories, trends, and innovations with leaders in global connectivity, real estate, and the networks within. I'm Candice Sipoes with JSA, and I'm here with Matthew Rie from Danfoss. You are business development director for Europe in the data center sector for Danfoss. So it is Danfoss' first time on JSA TV, so welcome. And if you wouldn't mind just giving us a quick overview of what the company does for the data center industry. Yeah, for sure. Thanks a lot. First of all for inviting us to talk about Danfoss and what we think about sustainability. So to answer your first question, Danfoss is a Danish company that celebrates this month 90 years old. It's still a family company, but with 42,000 employees, 100 factory worldwide, and what we are doing mainly is to produce components, mainly for HVAC, OEM manufacturer, like Chilots, Cryunits, Heronade units, but not only. And yes, we work on data center for more than two decades, but through our customer. And we have a special focus on sustainability for decades. Let's say it's all called business, and that's great to be here because it's one of the few events with a special focus on sustainability. It's something that we were expecting for years, but now it's not a trendiness anymore. It's something standard, and that's great that finally we have an exhibition dedicated to this topic. Yeah, absolutely. I think we can all agree on that. And it's such an incredible topic. There's so many great conversations happening this week around that. So I'm glad to have you all on JSA TV. Two decades in the data center industry and 90 years total. It's an incredible achievement. It's still a family business. So we'll go ahead and jump right into that sustainability topic. So if you could tell us a little bit about what Dan Foss has already achieved in that area, and also what you're kind of working towards. Yeah, it's a long story, but we have a few minutes. I will try to be quick. So basically sustainability for Dan Foss is very important for some reasons. One, we want to be different from the competition. It's our core business. We want to improve all the time our components in order to be environmental friendly, eco-friendly. And also another topic that is very important is we want to attract and retain the new generation that is very focused on sustainability more than our generation. And so what we have decided starting from 2021 is to sign the science-based target initiative where our goal is to be carbon neutral by 2030 globally and all Dan Foss factories. It's tough because, yes, as I mentioned before, we have 100 factories worldwide. So it's not easy, but we want to achieve at least for SCOP 1 and SCOP 2. And as a result, we already reached it on our headquarters in Denmark. So our headquarters are already carbon neutral on SCOP 1 and SCOP 2. And we are working a lot on SCOP 3. And it's not an easy task. It's not an easy task, but we have a clean baseline and monthly tracking just to reach those targets. And we work also closely with our customers and suppliers to decarbonize, to have some circularity, and also to, especially at Dan Foss company, to be more diverse, more inclusive with employees. And we try to reach those targets. So I mentioned what we have done in Norberg, in our headquarters on circularity. Basically, we, as I said, we work with key customers and suppliers in order to develop new product when they can be 100% recycled. So that's interesting. And regarding diversity, this is also something very important for us. As I said, we try to attract and retain the new generation, but we want also to have, at least in 2030, 80% of diverse management team. So we don't care about where we come from, what is your gender, your sexual orientation, or we want to be diverse. And we're getting women, because we were talking about women a few minutes ago. In 2025, we want that 30% of women leadership inside Dan Foss. Maybe it's not enough, but at least we try to be, maybe one day, to be equal 50-50. 50 women, 50% of men, but at least in two years, we want to reach this goal of 30% of women working as leaders inside Dan Foss. Yeah, well, you know, I love to hear that. And it's incredible to see a company as big as Dan Foss, taking on these really incredible, you know, tough challenges, but really, really setting goals and holding yourself accountable to those goals and moving forward every single day, you know, toward them. So well done there. Thank you, but yeah, it's we try to do our best. Yeah, that's all you can do, right? Yeah. Okay, so and then can we talk a little bit about the market shift when it comes to sustainability and what that looks like from your perspective? Well, I can talk only about Europe because this is basically the market we are focused on. Well, everybody is talking about sustainability. What we have seen recently is like, for example, Germany is introducing this legislation for sustainability. I think they decide something maybe last week, and we have seen that the European Union is also working on something, but we still don't have some further information. We have seen also that there are more and more each we use request. And we have to see whether it is feasible, at least in zoonotics is something common. So everybody is using each we use. And it's kind of showroom for the rest of Europe. All the other European countries want to do the same. But it is not easy as I was seeing. So it depends on what you are on your on your neighborhood. And you have to see if you are able to make it reuse or not. But it's something that at least in some countries design companies focus on data centers want to offer as a standard, no has a trend as a standard. So every time they have a new data center project, they want to offer the each we use. And yesterday, we talked a lot about this. There are some workshops about each we use. And this is basically the trend. These are basically the shifts that we have seen recently in Europe, regarding sustainability. So this is the station and each we use for for data centers. All right, excellent. Thank you for that. And so I think, you know, all of our thought leaders in the hot seat, many of them we ask about trends. So we end end with that question, maybe, and it's just an open question. Any any particular trend that you might want to talk about? Well, you know, the trends that everybody's talking all days is AI. So AI AI AI. And that's interesting, because it's it's changing a little bit the market. But we still have a big question about what is AI finally? Yeah. And because we can use it for to improve the energy efficiencies or services. And there's a lot of things to do. What we saw is that in terms of cooling capacity, it's another topic. So the density on the server rack is higher. So that's mean it will boost, in our opinion, the liquid cooling, maybe direct to cheap or liquid emission. So we are working on that. Because we're saying that this, this technology will have more and more presence in the market. I don't think it will be mainstream. Who knows, maybe in 10 years or maybe more. But we have to work on it. And so we have inside our data center team, we have innovation director that is trying to develop new components that can be cataphrasing of the liquid cooling technology, like liquid emission and direct to cheap. And this is something that we try to that to, to improve and always with the target of being sustainable. And also making components that could be recyclers. So, yeah, as a trend, especially AI is pushing and and we know that at least liquid cooling could be the solution that could at least my cool this kind of new technologies that is coming in the data center very, very fast. Yeah, well, liquid cooling and AI, I mean, the buzzwords, you're hitting on two of the big two of the two of the big three probably at the conference this week. So that's amazing. Thank you so much for chatting with us about sustainability for inviting and it was a pleasure to discuss with you. Yeah, same to you. Same to you. We really enjoyed it. And to our viewers, happy networking and keep hanging out with us here at JSA TV. We'll be here all day. Thank you. Thank you.


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Celtic languages are spoken in many parts of the British Isles today. These include Irish, Scottish Gaelic, Welsh, Cornish and the Manx language, native to the Isle of Man. Across the water, in north-western France however, a Celtic language is still spoken in parts of Brittany, known as Breton. The language was introduced into the region of Armoreca, known as Brittany today, by migrants from ancient Britain in the 5th and 6th centuries AD. Simply put, Celtic languages can be divided into two broad categories. Insular Celtic languages and older continental Celtic languages, such as Gaulish. Insular Celtic languages are subdivided into two categories, Gaulic languages such as Irish, Scottish Gaelic and Manx, and Brothonic languages such as Breton, Cornish and Welsh. As an Insular Celtic, Brothonic language, Breton is most closely related to Cornish than any other Celtic language. Today, Breton is still spoken, along with French, in western Brittany, whereas in eastern Brittany, the Romance language of Gallo is the most common minor language. In Brittany, there is also a Breton custom of bands playing bagpipes, thought to be a Scottish inspired tradition. Such a band is known as a bagat. A 2011 estimate suggested that 250,000 people could speak Breton, a significant drop from the 2 million speakers at the start of the 20th century. It is listed as a severely endangered language by UNESCO, and many of its speakers are elderly, although there has been an increase in recent years of children attending bilingual Breton French classes.


103.9 FM, WZO Radio, Knoxville. Ladies and gentlemen, Digital Freethought Radio Hour. Welcome to Digital Freethought Radio Hour and WZO Radio 103.9 LP FM, right here in Knoxville, Tennessee. Today is Sunday, July 12th, 12th, that is, 2020. I'm Larry Rhodes, or Doubter 5. And as usual, we have our co-host with us, Wombat on the phone with us. Hello, Wombat. Jesus, Jesus, Jesus. It's a good song. It just doesn't have a lot of lyrics to it. I just, I can tell. The chord progression is really good. What's up, Jake? Our guests today are Judd Pirat Higgs, a red leader, George Dot Fire. And did I miss anybody? Oh, hey, Jake. Welcome. Yeah. Nice to be here. Yes. I guess I covered everybody there. So Digital Freethought Radio Hour is a talk radio show about atheism, free thought, rational thought, humanism, and the sciences. And conversely, we'll also talk about religion, religious faiths, God's holy books, and superstition. And if you get the feeling that you're the only non-believer in Knoxville, well, you're just not. There are several atheist, free thinking, and rationalist groups that exist right here in Knoxville. And we'll be telling you how you can connect with them right after the mid-show breaks. And did you know that there's a streaming atheist call-in TV show? Did you know that? Oh, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Over 10 years. Yes, I'm so glad you brought it up because we're just about to finish the last couple of chapters. Haikyuu, or volleyball in Japanese, is a story about Hinata Shoyo, who's like this really short volleyball player, who wants to be the best in the world, but he's so tiny, but he can jump. Or as he says, toy masu, he can fly. And it's a show chronicling his time through high school. No, it's not. And all of his team members think, you can't jump higher than us, and he works hard and he does it. And it's the manga's down to its last couple of chapters. It has nothing to do with volleyball. Unless it's an atheist volleyball team. It might be. But no, it's a TV streaming video show that's been going on here for over 10 years in Knoxville. And we'll be telling you how you can connect with that and watch it after the mid-show break. If you'd like to interact with us during the show, go to Facebook and search for our digital free thought radio, Wower page, and you can use the messaging function to send us questions or comments. What about what do you have for us today? We're going to be talking about some really cool things. First, when we're talking about, is it natural for us to conflate our impression of reality with reality itself? We'll be talking about identity, and then we're going to be going through a lot of listener feedback questions. But before we go through all of that, I'm throwing it over to our own Dreadpire Higgs for our weekly invocation. Our... Our noodley lord who art in a colander, al dente be thy noodles. Thy blood be rum, thy sauce be yum, with meat as it is with vegetables. Give us this day our garlic bread, and forgive us our cussing, as we put up with those who cuss against us. And lead us not into ketoism, but deliver us some carbs. For thine are the noodles, and the sauces, and the grog, whenever and ever. Ramen! Ramen! That collides all of us. Alright, so I'm going to throw it over to our own doubtfire. What was your first stop that you wanted to go over today? Yeah, so I've been dealing with this throughout the week with different folks at work and online, on social media, stuff like that. I just love talking about this kind of stuff, but conflating our perspectives with reality, right? So, I don't know if you guys noticed, but a lot of people feel very certain and very entrenched in their ideas, whether it be politics, their religious views, you know, anything, right? Like, everybody feels like, you know, it's really weird, but I just get the impression, and this might be my own impression, but it's that everybody feels that they don't have a perspective. They just see reality as it really is, and they're operating based on that, right? Do you guys notice that kind of normalcy? Sure, you could say perspective is your reality. If I understand you right, I want to throw in my own origins on this, which is that I was raised an atheist, and I was taken to humanist lectures when I was four years old. And my mother was a political activist and a union organizer and like that, but she was not an activist about atheism. It just was, you know, it's just like God was simply not a presence, not a thing, nothing to be rejected. It just was not there. So I don't know if that's what you mean. That's actually a pretty good question. Like, what do you mean by reality? And what's the difference between that and subjective reality? Dredd, what do you think is the difference between the two? Pardon me? I think you hit the nail on the head. Boo, I'm trying to with a screwdriver, man. Dredd, what do you think the difference between reality and subjective reality? You're putting bikes on my head now. Well, I mean, certainly our senses are the filters through which we perceive reality, and those can be affected by various, you know, in various ways.  But that doesn't mean that it doesn't mean that there isn't an objective reality independent of how well you sense it or not. Right. There's a difference between, you know, our epistemology and the ontology of what reality really is, right? Man, there are a lot of big words on that right now. Yeah, so epistemology meaning like how we know things, and I think it's kind of like what you just said, kind of piggyback off that. It's kind of like a guy who's wearing rose-colored glasses. You ask him, what is reality, or what is the nature of your glasses? Well, he's going to answer it based on looking through his glasses, you know, it's kind of hard to, so I guess the work that I'm trying to do that I've been doing since I left religion is to kind of take a meta perspective, to kind of get out of my own perspective, to see things, or at least acknowledge that I have a perspective. I don't really know reality as it really is. As I thought I did when I was part of religion, I was part of Jehovah's Witnesses for years. Oh man.  But in order to change, you know, if we really want to step out of that and do work to see what reality is all about, we might have to change more than just operating system, but maybe the bios, the basic input output system. But that's kind of dangerous. Yeah.  Scott, I'm going to ask you. Well, Doubtfire, I just want to emphasize something that you just said. I'm partial to a system of typing people's reality systems that is similar to what you just said. In other words, that we all look at the world through a color filter. And my color filter is different than your color filter is different than Dale's color filter, for instance. But each of us perceives the world through that filter and then reacts. See, that's the part I want to add to what you just said is that people take actions based upon their misperception of reality. Absolutely. I'm also going to throw this out to everybody else. Jake, what do you think about objective reality, personal reality? Is it possible that objective reality is a little overrated? It doesn't seem like we'll ever be able to see it for what it actually is. Objective versus sub-objective? Or objective versus your personal perspective. At a certain point, you'll never be able to view objective reality without your personal filter applied to it. If you can get close enough where the difference is nominal, doesn't that make objective reality somewhat overrated? Close enough. Yeah. It kind of all adds together. If I know fire is hot, do I really need to know the exact degree fire is? It's just like, it's hot. Just don't touch it. That's my personal experience. Yeah, it's hot. Everybody kind of commutatively experiences that the fire is hot. Their subjective reality is all correlated enough that we can kind of see that everybody is experiencing the same thing that fire is hot. We're all experiencing it. We have these certain ways of determining that everybody is experiencing this and it becomes objective reality. Oh, it becomes objective reality. It becomes objective reality or it just becomes a shared subjective experience. Yeah. Okay. And there's an objective utility. If you're raised in a fundamentalist Christian community that runs on a fundamentalist Christian bios, for example, then will you really get along very well if your bios is atheism or Islamic or something like that? Are you really going to get support from your community? That's a good question. Can you get a job? Can you get things like that? It's a lot harder to step out of that if there's no utilitarian value to it. I'm going to throw a question out to Dale because I think that's a good subject. Dale, is it worth embracing an objective reality if you're already really comfortable with your perspective already? Say you're comfortable with your subjective reality. Is it worth at that point going for an objective reality? Yes. The first thing a smart man says is I was wrong. So I don't think that anybody that's really confident and comfortable in whatever they believe should be considered all of that objective. So, no, I don't really understand all of this. It seems to me that the idea that someone has a subjective reality as opposed to what actually is there seems like no one knows what is actually there. And here's ministers and Fox News are capitalizing on subjective reality in order to influence the masses. I believe somebody was talking about how somebody could behave in such a way and you couldn't understand it. Professor messed up in the head. Maybe that's another way of saying a bearant subjective reality. But I was curious about how oncology comes into it. Yeah, that's a good question. Scott, what do you mean by oncology? Yeah, so oncology is really talking about what really is the case about reality.   Yeah, I was oncology is cancer, right? Yeah, oncology. Ontology. Yeah, oncology is like ultimately what is, you know, the case. Like if I had a layman's dictionary, what would it say if I open it up and there's like pictures of stuff like what's the spelling ontology with it? Yeah. Okay. What's the really, really layman's explanation of what ontology is? Do you have one? It's kind of like fundamental reality. Like what do I need mushrooms? You've got all these interpretations. Yeah, it's easy to conflate epistemology with oncology. I'm starting to figure out with most people because we're talking about what is reality. And then, you know, if we don't, you know, my perspective is we don't really know what is reality really ultimately. And then that's why we have science. Science is trying to figure out what is reality. Scott, I'm going to try to make a quick definition of this. In some way. Scott, I was trying to make a quick definition. Larry, let me know if this sounds accurate. I figure epistemology. How'd you figure that out? Ontology. Okay. But what is it actually? Right. Ontology being more a study of the nature of being. Right. Yep. Exactly. Larry, what do you think? Exactly. What I was going to say was that can any person ever divorce himself from his perceptive perception of reality and actually experience reality as it actually is. Larry.  We can all look at it and say it's a coffee cup. We can touch it and we can lift it and we can weigh it and measure it. But it doesn't really. Right. That looks like a teapot to me. It doesn't really evoke emotions with us or a perspective of it as different than the actual physical object. But there are a lot of things like seeing a person mistreat an animal. Yes. That raises a lot of emotion in us and it makes us feel like it's a wrong thing. It's something that philosophically we have to address. And I think that we carry all of this philosophical and emotional baggage around with us all the time. There's no way that we can really divorce ourselves from it. But we still have to strive to see reality as it is and weed out the wrong perceptions from the correct ones. And I think that's a lot of atheism is all about. We have these supernatural claims and we can't support it evidentially. These supernatural claims. So we try to enforce it from our worldview. Right. And we end up with a more or less naturalist view. I can hear a lot of religious people listening to this right now. And saying how do you atheists know that your perspective is right and mine is wrong.  Well evidence supports our view. It doesn't really support their view. Also right. And I'd also say just before we go back one thing one thing one thing I'll say this to as an atheist. I don't care about the conclusion. So like maybe I'm am wrong but I am interested in the methodology that I'm using to determine if things are right or not. And I'm totally fine with that. I don't know as an answer until I do know until I have a good reason to believe that. So my position is I'm working with the best methods that we have right now to know what things are true. And what things aren't true. And until we have a better method then I'll choose my conclusions accordingly. So I don't know if my mains are right. But I do know that my methodology is reliable. And I would wish for her to make supernatural claims that at least presented me a reliable means to come to their. Well said. I want to address. I would go on that. George go ahead. Go ahead. Yeah. I want to address what Larry what Larry was talking about. No I don't.  I doubt it too. But however I think that I can damn well try. And that is my goal in life really the first part of it is to know myself you know is to try to know myself as absolutely well as I can. And I'm never going to get there. But I'll I'll be further along the path than I am now. Okay. That's about as good as I can do. Larry was working on wordy dirties. Did he just wordy dirty. Did we just got a wordy dirty from George. Or is that good. All right. All right. All right. You're my guide. You're my FCC guide. Just as no we go on the radio. Try not to curse please. It saves my editing time. And I should know you are on time out George Dale what you got you got the rest of this time. Good leader. You sound like you want to say something. Well I think I believe that for the Christians to say that you're no more close to the reality than they are is pretty valid. I mean after all you've got time to think well the universe burst forth from nothing. So that it was a dream. Yeah. Let's take that a second. Occam's razor says that we shouldn't multiply entities. In other words we shouldn't add things that where we don't need them in an argument. It's either it's either the universe burst forth nothing or God burst forth from nothing and created the universe from nothing. So I mean we're adding extra stages to it that are not necessary. Also I'm also going to say there's a difference between a scientist said the universe came from nothing versus science says the universe came from nothing because once actually open all the scientists will actually say we don't know. Yes. And I'm a scientist and I can tell you I'm into this as well where no one's saying nothing because we don't have a very good definition of nothing. We don't have nothing. Exactly. I was about to say. But the best thing we have are layman explanations of the Big Bang that have been taken so seriously by people who don't have the context of what actual science. And as a result we have these bastardizations of what actual scientific principles are. We don't know. We just know that I don't want to get into the Big Bang. I don't think that's worth it for this radio. But it's not. Because we don't know everything. Yeah. To someone who challenged. Atheism is just a perspective equal to the Christian perspective is to say that my atheism the way I'm defining it is my atheism which is an unbelief in just God is informed by my agnosticism. So it's not really an answer to the question one way or the other. It's just saying it's just admitting that I don't know and it's kind of taking the meta perspective that I'm not going to let my personal opinions sway me because I may personally feel like hey the trees prove God you know maybe that resonates with me but I'm going to step out of that bias and just admit that I really don't know and that's a bad argument. You know. And I'm also going to say one more thing before we go to Jake because I haven't given a chance to say things but atheism is not the belief that the Big Bang theory is the absolute model reality. It's just I don't believe you theists yet please come up with a good argument because the default position is I'm not going to believe you until I have a good reason to. So if someone says hey atheists say this and atheists say God it's like no no no atheists just say I don't believe the theist when they say there is a God. They have more work to do. Jake what do you think about the idea of reality and what when people shoot horned arguments what do you think about the Big Bang. What do you want. Floor is open to you. What do you want to go with this. Well what about when people talk about reality like everybody's got everybody's got their own their own vantage point of reality and they're interpreting the stimuli that they're getting differently and coming up with their own story of just kind of what makes sense that like like ultimately you know street epistemology. I love that the tic-tac example of like bringing up the box of tic-tacs like what is real how many tic-tacs are in here. Can there be even a number of tic-tacs or an odd number of tic-tacs in this box at the same time. Is it is a subjective. Is it. Can we determine that. Can we test that somehow and and like ultimately I think that. We can we can test stuff. We can figure things out and it seems that your old lines with my reality when we're talking about when we're talking about like like things that we can test like we can test stuff. We can figure things out and they line up and you know they're consistently lining up that you know just whatever aligns most with reality what aligns most with what we can test seems to be what reality is and people seem to have these different like subjective views of reality of like oh this is my reality this is your reality why I'm experiencing this differently well like ultimately like one I believe the one thing is happening like we are all kind of on the same track here as far as I can tell and we're all in this together and we have methods of determining things and those those methods if they prove to be reliable that is what reality is is is once we can reliably determine what's going on and I'm just like I like what I'm just going to capstone what Jake was saying it's basically knowledge is demonstrating something and if you can't demonstrate it you don't know it so it's worthwhile to be able to demonstrate with testing rather than just being lucky that you're right and there's a lot of claims out there that either don't have the demonstration to back it up or it might be true but they got there through complete you know coincidence and as a result it's really important to think about that methodology that we use to arrive at a conclusion because that demonstrates that knowledge is demonstration. I like the definition of evidence as prediction prediction predictable novel predictions testable and novel predictions that you can observe repeatedly. Somebody may say that you know evidence is just objective to though what you see is evidence that might not be evidence for what you're attributing it to but so I like the testable predictions that you can verify over and over. Evolution has you know hundreds and thousands of predictions that it's made and that's why it's a good theory. The hypothesis was this and if this is true then this should be the result that was made beforehand. That's a inside joke about evolution but yeah. Joe, what do you think? I just thought it might be interesting to point out that sort of a non-scientific understanding of the word theory is different than the scientific definition of theory and that people often conflate the two. I think that that's an analogy or you know it actually is a good metaphor for this idea of perspective. That's true. From a subjective point of view is reality true or is there an objective reality out there and that's almost like the difference between the layman's understanding of the word theory and the scientific understanding of the word theory. In my opinion I think there's a scientific idea of theory and then there's one that fuels opinionated YouTube video idea of theory. We're actually at the bottom of the half hour though. Larry, why don't you take us out? We'll come back. This is a great topic Scott. This is Digital Freethought Radio Hour and WZO Radio 103.9 LP FM right here in Knoxville Tennessee and we'll be back right after this break. 103.9 FM WZO Radio Knoxville. Digital Freethought Radio Hour. Hello and welcome back to the second half of the show. The Digital Freethought Radio Hour and WZO Radio 103.9 LP FM right here in Knoxville Tennessee. I'm Doubter Five and this is Sunday, July 12th. The second half of the show as I said, let's talk about the Freethought groups that you can join right here in Knoxville. First there's the Atheist Society of Knoxville. Founded in 2002. We're in our 18th year. ASK has over a thousand members and you can find us online at KnoxvilleAtheist.org or you can go to meetup.com or even Google and type in Knoxville Atheist and you can find us that way. By the way, if you don't live in Knoxville, you should still go to meet up and search for an Atheist group in your town. Don't find one. Start one! Start one! Another large free thinking group here in Knoxville are the rationalists of East Tennessee. RET has been around for more than 20 years. Just go to rationalist.org. Click on upcoming events to find out what they're up to. Earlier in the show we said we'd talk about the Atheist call-in television show. Well, it used to be called Freethought Forum when it was actually on TV, but it's streaming online now on YouTube channels as its own YouTube channel called Free Thinkers United Coalition of Knoxville What? Such a long name! Say that again. I already forgot. Do it again. It should have just been Atheist Society of Knoxville. Ask. You had the perfect word. The reason they call it Freethinkers United Coalition of Knoxville is because it's made up of ASK, RET and other free thinking groups here in Knoxville. Embrace the A. Just get it out. It's a coalition. I agree. It's a coalition of people who are all the same thing. They're all Atheists. Just embrace the A. Larry, you're with me on this. I'm with you on that. That's why I started the Atheist Society of Knoxville because the other groups wouldn't use the A word. Let's go. Anyway, if you're interested in getting involved with the TV show or this radio show, just come to an Ask or RET meeting once we start having actual meetings. Or you can contact us online by the above methods. Let us know and you might be our next co-host or guest. With us on the show, we have Wombat, Red Pirate Higgs, George, Red Rider, Red Leader, sorry, Jake. We had a couple of topics. I think we rounded out our discussion on basically the nature of subjective reality versus objective reality. It seems like it's good to be able to demonstrate things. It's good to know the methodology of how we arrive at conclusions. And I think if we focused more on that methodology, that epistemology, our ontologies or how we know what things actually are or what things actually are, would be a lot better because at least then we would have a reliable way to get there. What we're going to do now is some listener feedback. You guys have been doing some really great... Dred, what did you do with it? Dred, I can't find it. Where did it go? Where did it go? Where is the love? Where is the love? Where is the love? Where is the love? Thank you for hearing that. All right, so this is the listener feedback session of the show. We've had a lot of comments in the last two episodes. Sorry we weren't able to get back to you guys. But this one comes from Vaughn McHugh. He posted on our YouTube channel. You can post comments and we'll be happy to go over them on the show itself. He wanted to know, how can I get into Rational 101 in college? What are the costs? And is pasta a former currency? Dred Pyre. What? We're asking you about your... How can I get into Rational 101? Oh, yeah, yeah. Is pasta a former currency? Pasta. Is pasta a former currency? Well, it's up and coming. In the afterlife? Yeah. In the afterlife. And it's right next to the stripper factory and the beer volcano. Say I'm not in Canada. How can I get access to this school? Well, I mean, it's still in development. Am I quite loud? Sorry. Yeah. It's still in development. It'll be going through Salkirk College, probably on a video or virtual platform in October. Dred, I'm going to make a recommendation. Sorry for interrupting you, but this is something I've learned every single time I've went to a seminar to give a talk. You always, always, always make a backup video and backup audio of your own talk. They'll say they record it for you. That doesn't mean they'll give it to you in any timeframe that's acceptable. You always... I remember you having that issue, yes. Yeah. So, yeah, definitely all that will be the case. I'll record it in-house myself and then, you know, if Salkirk has something as well, then that'll be on them. But, yeah, so anyway, we're looking at October, so... Okay. And what would be, like, is there a... If you were to record yourself, would you post that on, like, maybe your channel? Like, how would someone get... What would be the cost barrier or, like, the access barrier and can they mail you? So, because I am working with the college, we'll have to determine what the price is and, you know, the schedule and all that kind of stuff.  I'm gonna throw something out at you that might be really interesting. You're gonna have some video presenters. I know I volunteered for that. Yeah. Zoom, if you're doing it over Zoom, they have a waiting room feature that basically lets anyone call in but not be a part of the video call. They can still hear. They can still, you know, spectate. Okay. But it's just extending the class through online services without any, you know, imposing on me doing whatever I'll do to help you or your class. I think that might be a good option, too. Yeah. Okay. Thanks for that. Yeah. Cool. And it's pasta for my currency. Pasta for currency. Yep. All right. We prefer bowtie pasta. Uh-huh. Which some people just say is not pasta, but, you know... It's not. Yeah. But it's cool. And can your institution accept American currency? Well, I imagine it would. Yeah. Because pasta's good. We love American currency. Yeah. Okay. Uh, I'm going to throw this out to George. You've been on this show long enough. I'm hoping you can answer something kind of close to this, right? But Josiah Swims would like to know, can someone explain what street epistemology is? Because I was the person who asked last time. Yeah. And... We're first shows in. What's your impression of what street epistemology actually is? Well, I have to really make this down home. Okay. Essentially it's talking your truth on the street. On the street. To an ordinary daily conversation with individuals, one to one. Okay. Just having a conversation with people, more or less. No, that's how I understand the term. I really don't. OK, that's fair. Larry, what do you got? What do you think street epistemology is? Well, epistemology is how we know things. It's studying the methods of how we receive and validate knowledge. Street epistemology is basically taking that methodology to the streets and talking to individuals, usually over a table, over coffee, something, where you. Hey, coffee. You bring up a subject, and they give an opinion that they show what their beliefs are about a particular thing. And then you, as through a series of questions, you get them to examine the methods that they arrived at that conclusion with. Not bad, not bad. Scott, if you're still here, what do you think street epistemology is? You want to feedback on that? Yeah, I think it's just people, just to piggyback off what Larry said, I agree with everything he said. But for me, when you're on the street and you're talking to people, people have a chance to tell you what is their most cherished beliefs or what is important to them as far as the belief or it could be political, religious, whatever it is. And then just asking them questions as to how did they arrive at that conclusion. Right. And seeing how confident they are in their beliefs. And there's just certain questions from that point onward to figure out how do they know what they claim they know. Right. And I would also say, I look for confidence, but I also look for openness. Like if I'm willing to change my mind, then it's cool if I'm really confident about something. Because at least now I have a standard for what it would take to change my mind. It's OK to be confident about things, but I don't think it's as good to be close-minded about something. Jake, I'm going to throw this out to you. What do you think Street Epistemology is? So I think Larry put it awesome. It's a study of knowledge. Epistemology is the study of knowledge, and the street just says that it's on the street. It's happening with your neighbor. It's happening with anybody you're talking with. In an elevator, yeah. Yeah. And I'm using Street Epistemology, like the tactics of it, like every day in conversation that I'm having. It's a lot of asking. It doesn't so much focus on the what of what somebody's talking about, but a lot about the why and how that they determined that that's an accurate thing to believe. Sure. I would say, just to add to this, tactics of SC, the basic tactics of it is, in my opinion, keep the conversation positive, make it a conversation, and then let the person do the thinking. Don't tell them what to think. And so it's not a teacher-student dynamic. If anything, the person who's doing SC is trying to learn from the person who's espousing about their belief system and how it works. So it's not a teaching tool. It's more of an understanding tool where you just try to put your own biases aside and try to emulate the kind of openness that you want the person that you're talking to to follow as well. Dale, I'm going to throw this out to you. Have you ever heard of Street Epistemology? If you do, what do you think of it? I really don't have much of an idea. I've been trying to listen to people talk and try to figure out how this could possibly relate to me. And the only story I have was I was down in Atlanta, walking or flucking down the street. And I had these religious people. I forget which church they were from, but they were actually assigned each block. So if you were walking down and they said, would you like to hear about Jesus? Well, of course, I go, yes, I'd love to. Let's keep walking. And then they would stop. And I was crossing the street. And they said, well, no, I'm only supposed to be on this block. Sorry, that's funny. I'll cross the street wearing the same yellow t-shirt. They're from us too. So I crossed the street. And then this person continued to talk to me. And we were going to the zoo, I think it was. Anyway, it was almost there. And I stopped and I said, well, I'm a deist.  And here's why. Wow. And I talked about how their God was absolutely nonsense. And that's the way we deists do it. And all of a sudden, I was a street preacher because the people walking by who have been going up and down that street had been irked by these people in the yellow t-shirt stopping being on every step. So I had a crowd listening to me talk to this single person in the yellow t-shirt who could not get help from the other yellow t-shirts because they were assigned to their blocks. So just so I can wrap this up. Just so I can wrap this up.  And you're like, no, I believe in a God and this God's dead. Let's argue. And everyone was listening to you guys. And if I was there, I'd be like, what is there a possibility that both of you guys might be wrong? In this instance, I would wonder, street epistemology isn't necessarily a combative technique. I'm really not trying to figure out how someone's wrong. I'm trying to understand how someone's right. And if I can't work with them to figure out how they're right, that says way more than me saying, hey, you're wrong and this is why. Or that's nonsense and that's why. It's both of us working together towards a path. And if we keep hitting nonsense, then it's like, hey, man, I'm working with you.  That's exactly what street epistemology is. Dredd, what do you think? I think we got you already, right? Did we are? OK, Dredd, wrap it up. What do you think street epistemology is? Well, another way of putting it is Socratic engagement, right? Or examination. Socratic examination. So using the dialectic of Socrates in trying to examine an argument and get to the truth of it. That's why we've got to keep it light. We don't want to end up like Socrates did. You mean famous? No hemlock here. Famous? The ultimate G? All right. I was thinking, because the tic-tacs were brought up. And couldn't you have actually like Schrodinger's tic-tacs, where there is both an even and odd number? No, Dredd, you're really going to trigger me now, because we just talked about misunderstandings about the Big Bang Theory. I don't want to get into the misunderstandings of Schrodinger's. Everyone doesn't understand Schrodinger's lie. And it's really unfortunate that that's the case, too. All right. Oh, it burns. OK. Hey, this question comes from Tough Truth. It goes right into what we were talking about before. He wants to know, what do you say to someone that says, what do you mean by true? Scott, we're going to fill this out to you first. What do you say to someone who says, if you say true, why do you know if it's true? And if someone says to you, well, what do you mean by true? Scott, how would you answer that? Right. I would say that true is just what I know to be the case. That would be the truth. Like, I exist. I think, therefore, I am. I know that I exist because I can even form that question. That's an example of truth. And it seems like it relies on the mind definition of no, which means I can demonstrate it to be the case. Right. OK. OK. I'm fine with that. Jake, I'm going to think about that. Jake, what do you think? What is truth? And how would you respond to someone who says, what do you mean by true? I think it was Matt Dillon on to you that said it. But I really like this answer. Truth is that which most conforms with reality. Yeah. He says, comport. But yeah, I like conforms when I come forward. I like words that have the same number of syllables but mean the exact same thing and are not as opposed. So I like conform. I don't like into Lockwood or I like interview partner because more people are going to be, oh, I know what an interview partner is, right? So yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So yeah, like we can see it in reality. If we can see it in reality, cool. If we can see reality, if we can demonstrate it, if we can show there's a correlation here, that's more true. Red Leader, what's your opinion of what's true? How would you respond to that? OK, first of all, I thought we had already established that there was no reality in the first half of the program. Oh, really? I'm just fading away. Where's my Obama face when I need it? So when it comes to people asking stuff like what is true and what is reality and all of that, happens a lot at Ask Me. But what's your definition of truth? What's your definition of dog? It seems like we're always defining things. And I don't do that. I just say get addicted to it. You want to know what true is or what the word truth means. Get addicted to it. There's probably a dozen different definitions for it in there. That's my opinion about a lot of these defining things. OK, appeal to dictionaries. I don't like dictionaries as a way to demonstrate things. I just think dictionaries only show usages. So I could read up rocket science in the dictionary. Doesn't mean I know anything about rocket science. It just means I know how people define rocket science. So I worry about when people say, well, Merriam-Webster Dictionary says that. Blanklet Blitz is like a gory hole. It basically says that the dictionary says that people use it like this. Exactly. That's all that thing means. That's all that book is. Larry, I'm going to throw this out to you. What do you mean by true if you ever said, if you ever got asked the question? Well, I'm with Jake and I'm with the atheist experience out of Austin, Texas. They say demonstrated true belief. I like that. And comport with reality as much as we can demonstrate that it comports with reality. It's true. Yeah, if I can demonstrate it that it's part of reality, then that's true. And that's what we were trying to get to. Maybe we can't get there exactly, but I'm fine with saying, hey, it's pretty close. Or we can test it. We have a really good test. You could be in the Matrix. Yeah, we could be. But I feel like that's a really old movie that people haven't watched in a long while. If you saw that movie, you'd be like, no way to sing. That's a dot matrix font. We have much better things than that. George, throwing the same question out to you, how would you define true? I don't want to even try. Fair enough. My head is just not there. I'm sorry. Fair enough, guys. Jared Pirate, last one in this roundtable. How would you define truth? Justified belief. Justified belief. So if someone killed my father, right?  I have the justifiable right to take my samurai sword and take their heart. I think you're competing in justification with justice. Well, I mean, it sounds like similar words. I'm justified. That's true. What a belief that's justified. Holding a belief based on evidence. So that justified in the sense that it's supported by evidence and testable and all that good stuff. Because we live in a world where people have different connotations for different words. Maybe validated belief would be better or validated. Maybe, yeah. Sure. Validated belief, yeah. It means to think about. I always worry when we try to take things down to just one word. Leads the problem. All right. Hey, I think, so here's another question that we have from Crazy Manman. How do you respond to someone who refuses to define their beliefs? He says, for example, I'm talking to a theist that refuses to define God because they feel they don't know or can't know a true definition of God. Yet they continue to believe in a God. I'm not sure how to proceed since they don't make any definitive assertions. So how do you respond to someone who refuses to define their beliefs? Scott, have you ever talked to someone who was a bit wishy-washy? And how do you get past that? Oh, yeah. Just ask questions. Just kind of hone in on what it is that what's important for them. Just ask the question. Just try to isolate it down to the right question to get quicker to the point. They could be wishy-washing. It gets really weird and catagoutous, like definitions and blah, blah, blah. Usually what I say is, is it the God of the Bible? Oh, that's good. Because if they do, then you've got a lot of things that they will define it, whether they own to it or not. And if they say no, then I say, does it have any holy book? Because you're eliminating all the other religions. And if they do that, then I assume they're basically a deist. And at that point, they have no dogma. If they have no dogma, I have no problem with them at all. Yeah, it's a bit of a new thing. Leave away. Yeah. Wait, you might want to follow up. Does your God communicate in your head? Do you have a personal communication with them? It's like, they'll say no. Then it's like, OK, you're good. We'll work with you. Jake. What do you do with someone who has a wishy-washy belief? How do you how do you handle that? Well, if they're struggling to define their their belief, I might ensure them that that like these definitions, like we can always we can change them. We're open to reinterpreting what that means. But we can work with a kind of a working definition. Like, what does it mean to you? Yeah, yes. Very good. I like that. Yeah, I'm not writing anything down in stone. I'm just trying to start a conversation about how you got your to your conclusions. I'm not even challenging what you believe. I just want to know how you got there. But we don't know what direction we're going unless we define at least in a basic sense where the destination is. So can you help me out with that? Yeah, that could work.  Have you ever talked to anyone? Maybe another deist that is a bit wishy-washy with their statements and how do you get about that? How do you go about that? I don't personally know any deists. But when it comes to a wishy-washy dogma, they're not doing me. I really don't care. Let them go about their way and believe whatever they want to believe. However, if they're knocking on my door and possible pricing to me or they're running for political office, they are fair game. OK, OK. I wonder, can we apply this to, like, go for it? I've got a question. How do you define deist? I don't get a dictionary. Oh. Very easily. OK, the word deist is the same thing as the word theist. One's Greek and one's Latin. Exactly the same thing, except that the word theist is reserved for those religions where God talks to you, has some sort of interaction with you. Deist does not have any interaction with God. It's like di-ist, yeah? It's like God isn't around. No, it's like de-ist. It's like, not identical, but it's like God is dead. Many of the founding fathers were deists. They didn't believe in a specific God. They're also slave owners. We shouldn't hold them as a high regard. They believed in a creator God and that was about it. One that's not around or doesn't have a communication with us. Let me tell you something. The God they talk about in the endowed by his creator with certain inalienable rights. Supporting free will of slavery of people. Yeah, like that's not a that's not a that's. Second, endowed by the creator with certain inalienable rights.  So you're welcome. All right, George, what do you think about? What were we talking about? Truth? How do you define it? You said you didn't want to talk about that. I think no, no, I don't feel qualified to talk about what have you ever talked to someone who has a wish you watched your belief? I'm quite sure I have, but not about it. Oh, interesting. OK. Hey, in the future, if you do talk to someone with a wish you watched your belief, I would say spend some time to try to just define what it is they're talking about. I like how Larry supported it with just like a binary. So here's my impression of what it is. Is it yes or no in this category? At least that way, I have an idea of what you're talking about. And then you can work your way down there to get a better understanding. And you can work in very general concepts like, is your God in this holy book or is he not in this holy book? He can't be in both, right? So like, Izzy, is that I like that. I really like that approach, Larry. And Dredd, I'll follow this up with you last. Do you have any wish you watched your beliefs that you've tried to penetrate? And as a straight epistemologist, how have you actually gone about it? Yeah, for sure. I remember one conversation I had where, and usually I set up the appointments, not like someone randomly coming up to me. I arranged my chats over coffee so people show up. And so one conversation, the girl showed up and I said, so what would you like to talk about today? And she says, well, I believe in love. OK. And so. Yeah. Ooh. Yeah. Perfect. What I'm doing is I'm just like, great. You want to talk about something else? But it was a really, I mean, it was a good conversation eventually because we sort of unpacked what she meant by that, specifically relating it to something that was important to her, not just sort of that nebulous notion that love is the foundation of the world or existence or whatever. So yeah, I mean, it's just about you just got to keep penetrating until you get to what's actually inside that box, right? You got to dig. Got to dig. That's what the SCD does. He digs. That's what it's all about. And you guys, we are at the end of the show. Dred, where can we find your stuff at? Well, on Sunday mornings at 8 o'clock, this is streaming live. Which time zone? The time zone is PST, Pacific Standard Time or Daylight Time, whichever. So yeah. So and that's something I neglected to point out there previously is that we're actually streaming on Sunday, not Wednesday. And you can find me on YouTube at Mind Pirate, M-I-N-D-P-Y-R-A-T-E. Pirate with a Y. Yeah. Pirate with a Y. Cool. Dale Newman, would you recommend any books or I know you like the dictionary, so we can probably pick that up too. But like, is there any other kind of media or resources that you think we should check out in the next week? No. I've been watching Michael Shermer's podcast, listening to Michael Shermer's podcast. Very, very nice. Nice. Very cool. I want to mention your book. Yeah. Do I? Your book. Your book. Oh yeah. I've written a book that has Jesus existing just as the Bible said he existed and just as he did, exactly what he said he did, but how the magician's tricks were done using technology of that day. No technology, basically. Very cool. Very interesting. Yeah. Scott, would you recommend any piece of media or it could be even your stuff that you would check out, that we should check out? Yeah. Something to kind of stretch it is kind of related to our topic from the first half hour. There is a really good perspective on this from here in Irvine. He's a university professor. And his name is Hoffman.  I forget his first name, gone on it. But he was on Michael Shermer. If you key in Michael Shermer and Hoffman, it'll pull it up. They had a deep discussion about this very topic that we're talking about. I saw it a few weeks ago. Pretty cool. Pretty nice. Episode number 85. Whoa. Episode number 85 of Science Salon with Michael Shermer talks about all of the different ways to communicate with someone when they're being ridiculous or whatever else in order to communicate with them and draw them in your conversation. Very. Would you repeat that, Dale, please? I believe in episode number 85 of Science Salon podcast. Cool. Yeah, I like that. OK, cool. George, I'll say that's yours, unless if you have something that you'd like to plug. No, I don't. Fair enough. Check out that Science Salon. On my Let's Chat, you can find me where you are looking at right now. This is my channel. More than likely, if you're listening to this, it's on the Let's Chat podcast here on my YouTube channel. Feel free to leave a comment. Also, thanks very much to my patrons. Listen, it's been a crazy year with the sheltering in place. Thank you guys for all your continued support through this. And I can't wait for one as a nation for us to get healthier, as a world for us to get healthier and to mitigate this threat so that I can also go back out and continue doing what I love, which is talking to people about what they believe. And looking forward to that very much so. Until then, I'll see you guys next week. Larry, why don't you take us out? OK. Dale didn't mention the actual website to get to his book. It's howjesusdidit.com, howjesusdidit.com. I can't believe you got that URL. OK, go for it. My book, on the other hand, is called Atheism, What's It All About? It's available on Amazon. Also, you can visit our blog at digitalfreethought.com. And for our radio shows, Atheist songs and many articles on the subject of atheism. If you have any questions, send them to askanatheistatnoxwellatheist.com.org, sorry. And I see, remember, I'd like to remind everybody at the end of the show that everybody's going to somebody else's hell. The time to worry about it is when they prove that heavens and hells and souls are real. Until then, don't sweat it. Enjoy your life. We'll see you next week. Take care. Bye-bye. See you, guys. All right.


And guess what ladies and gentlemen it is time for our next exam module dose And as you can kind of see if we kind of take a look at our blackboard or our Sam Account just like always, you know here We are with sort of our assignments for this week and like I said, it's just our exam So one of the things you'll notice is we actually have two things that we can look at We can first actually do this exam review even though it's on the bottom doesn't mean that it's you know on the bottom It's not next. I actually recommend you kind of take a look at this This is gonna fire up and this is gonna show you everything that you're gonna see on the exam So as it loads up, I know it's Sam. It takes forever. So you can there we are boom boom boom You can see all of these different tasks at hand about 60 different tasks delete a table Can you delete a table? Well, if you can cool if you cannot I suggest you probably go through this process So you can see then like always we've got the exam as well boom We've got the exam as well and Like always we're allowed to take this three times. There is no 70 there is no 76 or better for this assignment So it's pretty much just like you see enlarge the selected graphic by dragging so that the left edge of the Graphic is aligned with the left edge of the text above. So This text above Drag the left edge left edge Right about there That's how you do it best of luck everybody if you have any questions like always shoot me an email and I'll see you next week


The quest for a savior usually ends badly. Messiah figures break their promises, they fail us, they cheat us out of our hope. And if a special Messiah comes along, an extraordinary Messiah, a God in the flesh, we kill them. But Jesus, Jesus tells us to wait for apocalyptic days, not watching and waiting for someone to make it right. But watching and waiting for our chance to be awake, when it all goes down. Like staying up to see the sunrise, refusing to fall asleep. If we want to see the Messiah in all of this madness, we have to stay awake.


Let's talk about Aaron Rodgers and this story line that he called out his wide receivers during training camp. There was all of that hoopla. What should we expect out of the Packers offense this weekend? It's really anybody's guess. I mean, the wide receivers he mainly was calling out was the young guys and that's the rookies. Romeo Dobbs, Christian Watson, Samori Turei, all of who made the 53 man roster obviously. The big question mark going into this weekend is, is Alan Lazard going to play? Rodgers has touted him as the clear cut number one guy without Devontae Adams or Mark Wezbel that's scantling. I think they're going to rely heavily on Aaron Jones and AJ Dillon. Aaron Rodgers said the other week that we have to get our best 11 on the field and both of their running backs are in their best 11. They only ran 24 plays last year with two running backs on the field at the same time. You're going to see a lot more of that. Both our proven pass catchers, really good runners.


Adventure time and prank call time and this week I'm gonna call the Brisbane City Council because we got this thing called curbside collection And it's dangerous man. People could trip hazard. Yeah, it's gonna genuinely genuinely complain because I don't want to see people hurt themselves and it's just it's rubbish on the street That shouldn't be on the street. That's the great and I'm gonna be doing it as Dakota our beloved vegan Nothing wrong vegans What would you call? SW social yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly.  Thank you help us improve our service delivery to you to learn about our privacy policy I already know your privacy poly off the heart Hello Sharon, my name's Sam Dakota and before we start Um, can I just like make sure that nothing gets recorded or whatever that thing said at the start of the call? Just said to mention like if I don't want it Recorded in that because it's quite a private issue. I've stopped the recording. Thank you so much. I'm look I'm just calling. I'm just I'm calling in regards to you know, like curbside collection in that Yeah, well, um, just around my neighborhood a few weeks ago Like some of the curbside stuff out on the streets was sort of Creeping out onto the footpath and it was actually becoming quite dangerous And I I saw at least three or four people trying to walk along the footpath and like they had to like Go around it. Do you know what I mean? Like they had to actually stop and like and look up and then like veer to the left and make like a Semi-circle around the objects and like I didn't see anyone trip But I just thought like, you know, that's actually pretty dangerous. Do you know what I mean? Like and I'm just trying to like think of others Because you know, that's just how I am but also Like I realized that like some of the paint on some of the furniture and stuff is like coming off onto the grass And that's actually I don't know if you know much about like chemicals and stuff But yeah, that can actually kill the grass. So like, yeah, okay What was that sorry Look it happened a few weeks ago But I just was driving to work today and I noticed some curbside collection and driving to work And it was the same issue like driving through a completely different suburb and that was like the tables and stuff Like I think I saw like a table Partially on on the footpath. Do you know what I mean? Like so like I don't know what to like I'm panicking nearly just thinking Imagine if imagine if a blind person or something like that or a deaf person or something or someone Disabled or something like that was walking along and and like fell over or something. Do you know what I mean? Like that's crazy, especially with magpie season I think I think what I'm trying to do is just sort of make you guys aware That maybe um curbside isn't the right way to maybe go about things and like maybe think about the environment and that because like maybe for you guys and your Generation, it's okay, but for my generation coming through in about 20 30 years, trust me We're gonna be feeling these environmental damages. And yeah, it just seems like people that are older Don't really get that and like it's really starting to stress me out a little bit Do you sort of know what I'm where I'm coming from there or So do you want me to put in a report an issue or a complaint about curbside collection? Actually, that would be great if you could do that And if you could maybe send that to like the head person like because if you send that to someone under the head person Like it'll probably just get thrown in the bin or something because I've had to do these reports before like I had the same complaint last year for curbside and wouldn't you know it curbside happened again this year even though I complained and it was a formal complaint and all of that even though I did that curbside still is happening And I'm starting to freak out. Do you know what I mean? Okay, just to let you know that it's probably gonna be more than one person to stop curbside collection So much as I understand your complaint It wouldn't just have to take one person to stop the whole of chrisp and having curbside What's the point of the reports then if my reports do nothing we can still put the report through I just want you to know that if you if we don't take your details We can't contact you and tell you the results of the request Mention you don't want your details to be passed on and and like just for the lack of the environment stuff With the environment, you know, I'm saying about that like because like honestly sometimes sometimes a mattress or something We'll sit on the grass and like the grass becomes like a bit yellow and that and like dogs and stuff need to eat Grass to live like the people need to eat that grass and so the animals So like it's just so bad for the environment and the toxins and stuff They get washed off and run into the gutters and then you can imagine the fish trying to inhale that like that's not That's not good for anything or anyone Do you know what I'm sort of trying to say there or I'm not comfortable with you guys taking my details just because I know my privacy laws and Details so yes, your complaint will be passed on but you won't ever know what we have to tell you Well, I'll so I'll know the response because next year if curbsides on again of that would that will be your response I'll know that you guys have just thrown my report Straighten the ban even though I've just told you about all of the environmental issues that can happen and all about all about the Disabled people could be falling over and breaking their limbs and God knows what else and even hurt their heads They could even hurt their heads with any changes to any policy within council like a curbside collection We would need more than one person to affect the whole of Brisbane a very large city One person would not make it a difference without contacting you to talk to you about it So maybe I should start protesting or something. Is that what you're saying like maybe I should get some more people I'm just saying if you want a reason if you want to talk to somebody about this I'll need to take your details if I put it through anonymously. I can't tell you what the answer is I don't know the answer. I've given me. I'm only the person on the phone giving you Information that I can transfer to to the waste team. Look Sharon. I totally understand where you're coming from Okay, but I think I've got again I've given you my first name and that's all I'm willing to do just because of privacy laws and everything and also Storing my information and etc. Etc. I don't want I'm not comfortable with that at the moment I just want you to know I'm happy to put the request through but it's not necessarily gonna stop curbside collection I understand so I feel like you're trying to like you're trying to tell me like to protest and stuff So, no, no, no, I'm not telling you anything. Please do not put words in my mouth Well, you sort of said that one person isn't gonna make a difference So I'm sort of sort of guessing from that that I need a group a large group of people to protest the streets about curbside I'm not saying that I'm just saying that one person is not sort of one complaint It's not going to change curbside collection for the whole of Brisbane exactly get the details And I'll put the request through and pass it on. I don't want you to expect curbside collection to stop though That's what I'm trying to prepare you for. Okay. Well, that's just crazy I just I don't understand how I'm the only one doing this. Do you know what I mean? Like it's just crazy I see paint paint on the grass and stuff. It's just not So and some of the north side suburbs is where I'm Can't just put north side suburbs because my system needs a street number and a street name Okay, Aspley, let's start with Aspley and the street name I'm not I'm not sure of the street names I can drive past and find that out for you because I can remember where it was exactly but again Yeah, street names and stuff. I'm just not comfortable saying over the phone Because you know with privacy laws, etc. etc and information storing and stuff. I just can't do that And so, okay, so I need to advise you that the council has no record of the property if we haven't got a street name We need a number in the street name. I'm sorry. I can't put it through without that Sharon, thank you First of all, thank you for apologizing For on behalf of the Brisbane City Council, but look with the street names and stuff Look, maybe maybe look maybe I will just have to send some text messages and try and go to universities and rally some Students and maybe see if we can all put in a big report together like something like that And see if we can make something happen there because this is one of the biggest issues in the world and no one is even talking about it I see on the news 24-7 coronavirus this coronavirus that but no one is talking about curbside and how dangerous it is for death and blind people and people in wheelchairs and Also, the environment you can't think about the environment when you're putting dirt putting rubbish on the grass I'm sorry. I can't proceed any further. That's okay. Look Sharon You've done the best you can and honestly like seriously from the bottom of my heart I appreciate it like honestly even just you listening to me. I feel a little bit better So thank you so much for that. But yeah, I'm just letting you know that yeah that what is going on It's incredibly selfish from this Brisbane City Council and like yeah, the environment is suffering a great deal So we need to sort of put a stop to that but don't worry. I'll see what I can do Don't worry. You'll be hearing from me again. Don't worry Okay, all right. Well, you take good care. No worries Sharon. You have a lovely evening. Okay, and yeah, see you later.   Also guys.  Oh, look at this Test tube and we have Michael's armpit hair in a wax ball. Yeah, all of it.  That's a long one. Yeah, I had to try and end it.  I can't believe she didn't fire up a bit more a She did a little issues like don't don't put words in my mouth Don't put words in my mouth.  I'm gonna go home. I'll see you guys later. He's bounding backwards now I can see him out the door. He's seen someone. He's hiding in the bushes pregnant


Throw is incomplete. There's things that all of us could have done to be better. The Chiefs have won the game. They just need to be better in the details and the execution. Welcome to the Bet MGM Studio and the Mike Vrables show presented by Shift4. With the head coach, I'm Mike Keith. 48 hours removed from the Titans' overtime defeat in Kansas City. And the only way to describe it is that was a battle. It was. It was a battle. And I'm obviously always proud of the way that we compete. Just came up a little short there in the end and really hope to be able to find some of that football that we played there so well in the second quarter. What did you like so much about what you did in the second quarter? I just thought all three phases were operating and functioning together. I thought they really fed off of one another. We were able to hit some X plays there offensively. Defensively, we were able to get some stops. I thought the special teams unit was able to create some field position as well. In the first eight games, particularly in the last six, you found the formula that works for you. It's just a matter of doing that and doing it well, right? Yeah, and consistently over the course of the game and not just in spurts. And when you play a team, that's as good as the Kansas City was and is, you're going to have to do it for the entire game. And we just weren't able to do things in all three phases throughout the course of the game consistently. But the Titans did do some things very well. Let's take a look at Mike Vrabel's six pack to see six of the better plays of the night. First offensive snap, rookie tight end, Chigah Cockwoe, making it happen, going 48 yards. Yeah, I thought this was a great job of just getting the ball in Chig's hands. And you can see everybody out there trying to block, trying to finish. And he came out on the other side. He broke a tackle. He took a hit. I was able to protect the football there and create an X-play early on in the game. Here's a Cockwoe, one, two. Bouncing off, guys. There you go. He's got some power. He does. And he plays hard, and he's gotten better. We have to keep finding ways to allow him to help us. Also made a great special teams play later in the game. Really, really good special teams player, and he's improved. You and I have talked about some of these young offensive players, him and Hassan, have really improved and become core special teams players for us. Speaking about standing offensive players, how about a little Derrick Henry in quarter number two, the Ken going 56. Yeah, this is one of our better blocked plays of the night, obviously. And got everybody out there, got Derrick into his fifth step, and he's able to do the rest from there. We're going to keep having to hit some of these to be able to change field position and change momentum. You see Nate Davis there helping Ben working to the second level. And Derrick doing a nice job of stretching and cutting it. And guys competing here to try to get down there and get extra blocks. Nick Westbrook and Robert Woods. And then two plays later, the Titans get an outstanding pass plate to set them up inside the five yard line. It's Austin Hooper on a good throw. Yeah, and it was, I think, just the match up there with the size on the safety, the tight end, on the safety, making sure that he didn't overthrow him, that he gave him a ball that he could go and use his body and his catch radius. And good protection allows Malik to be able to get some air underneath that thing. And Hooper's able to bring it in, get us down there inside the red zone. In the first half, when you were on track yardage-wise, Malik was very decisive. Sure, he absolutely was. And we were getting the ball out of his hand. He was doing the same thing, and the operation was OK. I mean, it could have been better. But it wasn't. We weren't sitting there with the play clock down to zero every time or false starts in a hostile environment. There's a lot of good things there and a lot of improvement. So we've seen some offense. Let's take a look at some defense. First career interception for Roger McCrary came in the third quarter. Yep, and you can see Danico here getting active. They're trying to work a little misdirection, a little flash Kelsey across and try to catch us off guard. And he kind of shot, put it under pressure, and Kelsey couldn't handle it. And Roger was there kind of late on the ground, like at Auburn. But we can get up and run if they don't touch us. But I did a nice job catching this ball off the deflection. Yeah, you've got to celebrate a little bit there, and those baird and long get him up and get him moving. Get him going, pick him up, and point him in the right direction. He'll know what to do next time. I think so. Yeah, he'll know what to do. Another outstanding defensive element in this game was pass rush. The Titans were able to get some heat with a lot of different people, including Mario Edwards Jr. Well, again, it always starts with somebody else. And there, Danico is getting good push there on Thune. Kind of backs his guy into my homes. He can't step up. So now the rush is coordinated. We didn't have enough of plays that looked like that throughout the course of the game on the quarterback. So hopefully we can continue that. But you can see that it all works together. When the quarterback can't step up, we've got to win on the edge. And when we're forcing him to step up, we have to win inside. In a backup role, Mario Edwards, 47 snaps. He had five quarterback pressures on the night. And then just talking about effort, we end the six pack with this one. Look at the coverage downfield and look at the effort by Lonnie Johnson. Well, third down, backed up. The pressure could have been better. But then sometimes when the pressure isn't there, the coverage has to be there. And you can see Patrick trying to work the ball downfield. Lonnie does a great job of covering some ground, some great range. And just wasn't able to come down with the interception. But we were able to get off the field enough to give us a chance. He was dinged up on this play. We were hoping he just had the win knocked out of him for how he fell. Injury reporter will be out on it. OK. He's there. I'm just wondering. He came back in the game. He did a good job. Andrew Adams also in good position on that play. He played another fine game. Yeah, I mean, he's helping us out. Obviously, we miss hook. And we know the value that he has. But Andrew's done a good job of stepping in there and taking advantage of his opportunities. Joshua Kalu got an opportunity in the ball game on Sunday night. Several guys getting a chance to play. And Christian Fulton again with another super effort. I'd say probably inconsistent. OK. I think that there were some things in there that have to be better. I don't think that it was his best game. And they throw the ball down the field on him. And obviously, those things happen. But I think all in all, I think he settled down. I don't think he started the game how he would want or we would want it for him. But you're expecting more out of him now. Yes. I mean, that's how it goes. I mean, he's proven that he can play at that level. And he has to do it each and every week. And the injury report will be out on Wednesday. He'll be out. He'll be out tomorrow. All right. More coming up on the Mike Vrable show, presented by shift four next. Stay with us. Jeffrey Simmons is one of the best defensive linemen in the national football league.  If you don't believe us, listen to his teammates.   He's a period disruption. He sets the tone for our defense. He brings the energy, literally, like every day for us. Joe dropping under pressure. Steps up. Hit again. Dupree and Simmons combined for a crush. Let's go out there. Dominate him. Start the finish, man. Oh! Let's talk and then do it. Let's go. Back to the middle. Look at his film. I mean, man, play hard. And he's freakishly strong, freakishly athletic. He's definitely the best player I ever played next to. Fight to the end. Well, first and foremost, I think he's extremely powerful. Plays for sure an edge. I think it's the biggest thing.  And obviously, it shows on the field.  I said, ball. I said, ball. Say TFF in for fun. It's a great thing to have Jeff, and I'm glad he's on our team and not the other team. What is it like when you feel like there is nobody in the world that can stop you? I feel like that every time I step on the field, Hunterton. He's a whole guy's accountable. I think that's what makes a team great. Being able to criticize, it also takes accountability for what's going on. That is a genuine Titan, Jeffrey Simmons.  Well, I think he holds people accountable. He holds himself accountable. He's a great leader. He's the first one in courage in the offense. He's the first one in courage in the special teams. We had a long run in Houston, Don Trell, and the receivers were down there blocking. It was a pile up. And Jeff was off the bench. He's on the sidelines. He's cheering. And that's important to me. It sends a great message to everybody on the team that their job is just as valuable to the success of this football team as what I do or what Jeff does or anybody else does. And I think that that's what they respect the most about him is he's not just about himself. I think that his effort is something that stands out. And I think that he really embodies everything that we want to be about. Great job on that feature by Jack Mumbard, our epic Western genuine Titan on the Mike Vrable show. We talk more about what's coming up for this team next on the Mike Vrable show presented by Shiftful. This season, the Titans have asked fans to nominate their Wesley Mortgage Community Hero of the Game. And at our October 23rd win over the Indianapolis Colts, we were introduced to Taylor Scheibe. She's done some very special things. Her organization's dedication to kids living with cancer is unmatched. Here is her story.   And you've used your story as a testimony to serve others as a vessel of hope and faith. We are 21 years past our first diagnosis, saying you have made it to your life mission to advocate support and love on those with a similar path. I'm so honored to be your friend and volunteer under your leadership. You listen to a tug on your heart, and so many children have benefited through you founding With Love Charity. With Love supports and brings awareness to childhood cancer by inspiring them and giving them opportunities to be kids. Through With Love's programs, I've been able to witness you put smiles on their faces, enjoy in their hearts. With Love thrives because of your dedication being 100% volunteer base and every dollar going to the charity's programs. The kids are surrounded by your love and support, and you find a way to make each one you interact with feel special. I'm here to say that you, Taylor Shiby, are my golden hero. Your inspiration and myself, along with the Tennessee Titans, thank you for your contributions.  With Love, Diana. She missed out on a lot of her childhood and what it was like to just be a kid. The whole purpose of the toy replenishment and the care packages and the holiday parties is to just really remind them that they're still kids through this journey. And just be there for them as much as possible, even if it is miles away through a care package or if it's right there with them handing them a new toy. That is awesome. She's just as powerful as Jeffrey Simmons, but in a different way. Yeah, Taylor, thank you so much from the Titans for doing what you do and helping the children. We're happy to have you on our team. And happy to have our friends at Wesley Mortgage on our team as well to make this possible. The Community Hero, a special new feature. And we look forward to it continuing. When we come back, we're going to know our foe, the Denver Broncos. They're coming to town. The Titans will be ready. If you watch the next segment, you'll be ready. On the Mike Vrable Show, presented by Shift4. In the Bed MGM Studio, Mike Vrable Show, presented by Shift4 continues. It's time to know your foe. And it's the Denver Broncos. Under first year coach Nathaniel Hackett, they are three and five on the season. Of course, kickoff is noon on Sunday at Nissan Stadium. Broncos coming off of a bye. Second week in a row. Somebody coming off a bye. Oddly enough. Their offense, 329 yards per game. Not what they want it to be because their new quarterback, whose name everybody knows, Russell Wilson, off to a little bit of a slow start, but they're getting better. Yep, and they want to run the football. They want to be physical and they want to get these backs involved and then create things for the quarterback and some windows and end use. Cortland Sutton and Jerry Judy here. Dolchich is a guy. We talked about Chase Edmunds earlier in the week is what his availability is going to look like out there. And there's Dolchich, who's got a lot of great range, can run. And again, Russell Wilson's back there pulling the trigger. So it's going to be a huge challenge. You can see the play action here taking a shot against the Texans. Defensively, they're excellent. And we'll get to that here in a second, but they're excellent and they just, they don't, it's hard to throw the football on them. Front is very good. Safeties are Simmons and Jackson and Surtain is a new next star in this league at cornerback. All right, let's take a look at the defense giving up just 288 yards per game, just 166 passing. Strayman Jones, outstanding start to the year. Yeah, athletic can play inside, can play outside, takes on blocks, can make you miss. He's got very good length. He's a relatively young player, I think just in his fourth year, but has gotten better every single year. You know, you could see him out here playing in space. He's a long player that's athletic and he's gotten better. So that'll be a huge challenge. And again, we've talked about this, Mike, they feel good enough about their young guys on the edge to move on from Bradley Chubb and trade him and work with these young guys that they have. We'll come back and wrap it up on the Mike Vrabel show presented by shift four next. Stay tuned. Let's get to the Nissan keys to success to beating the Denver Broncos as they come to town on Sunday. Key number one, they're gonna wanna run the ball. Yeah, I think they are. I think that's what they've done. That's what they wanna do. That's what this offense is designed around and it allows them to create other opportunities for the receivers if they can do that. You know, Russell Wilson has always been good at play action. That's something that he's done well in Seattle. And if it's not there, we know that he can extend and part of that stop on the run is gonna be the quarterback and then scrambling around. And they don't have any many designed runs for him, but his ability to extend the plays and keep them alive. You know, it's just as critical as stopping the run when they hand it to Murray or Gordon or Edmonds or whoever that may be. And disrupting the short pass game. Sure, and the timing and being able to get our hands up. You know, we've got some guys that have added some passes down at the line of scrimmage. I mean, we even got my homes once or twice and he had only had four or five coming into the game. So as good as he was at that, we were still able to work on it and focus on it. But being able to do that is something that's gonna be critical. T number two for the Titans in this game against the Denver Broncos relies around specialty. Be great in terms of coverage. Washington is a really good team. He is. Washington is really doing a nice job for him. He's got great speed, great quickness. I just, there's more there. You know what I mean? The punt team was, we got to just get back to where we were. There was a stretch there where I felt like we were the best punt team in the national football league. And I don't think I can say that right now. We got, it starts with the kick, starts with the guys getting out there. Obviously we got to get some work with our gunners. But we're gonna have to rally. We can't let Washington circle us up or stretch and cut. And then you know what I want to do on kickoff. I want to be able to go down there and send a message and cover kicks like we did inside the 20 the other night. All right, so key number three somehow usually relies around third down. Instead, this time it's about first and second. Now, stay efficient. Yeah, we can't play this game or any game right now and for that matter in third and long which leads to being efficient on first and second down. Staying ahead of the chains, dictating the terms, making sure that we're not having critical penalties, critical mistakes that lead to second and 15, third and 10, defense is too good. We've talked about that in the past. So that's where it's about. And we're close and I'm confident that this week we're gonna continue to take steps toward doing that. Let's go get a win. Thanks, bud. The Mike Vrable show with me, Mike Keith. Thank you for joining us. We appreciate it. See you Sunday at Nissan Stadium. Noon kick, Titans and the Broncos. Have a great night everybody.