Going live with the very first cookie eFap stream sick Feel bad though. We're not gonna do them one on the day first because I just feel like Satan should have lined that up for us You know But I guess he's busy doing other stuff.  Oh? Because I like to think that he's working hard Getting things done I can his list twice that sort of thing, but I'll do everything apparently Hello, look at them all pouring in how range of them Don't you guys have anything to do on a late Sunday? Not me except be scared on this spooky scary eFap. Look at that every what does it?  Look at that. How scary well every frame of scream Wow, that's not a pee Yeah, well, it's clearly boarded over rags.  I tell you Vandal schmisms cake frosting I'm offended by this vandal to Pumpkin more. Oh, yeah, I guess this is the first time that they've seen my little icon I've had this for since October, but it's wonderful, isn't it? It's great.  GG. Don't have Halloweeny pictures. You're all horrible people in the wakes She took me at least 15 seconds to find that web Yeah, you didn't find the web No, I was looking for it in the main screen. I had to look over a chat I feel like people will notice the obstruction before the web and then be like, oh, that's a web Oh, it looks great when a super chat goes past it. You see that?  Just need enough people to talk to put one behind it and then everybody stopped talking Or people don't give us money, then they can't see it. Well, that will that's a you know, we'll deal with that That's fine. You know, I have to take someone's already done it now. So you don't need any more We just need to want to push it up. I Don't know. I think I missed it. I Like it now. I think it looks okay ish, right there. I said it okay Controversial They did it. All right the way that they did it You make the web a shade of gray. I will maybe do that next time. I just have to leave like this for now because I Can't be making incredibly huge changes during stream Not a wizard even though I think I can actually They're like filters on OBS like colors on individual images.  So you're not as good. Oh, no Not a wizard intended for children.  That's a huge shift. Just be it anything Ella Ray Look like it's changing to being lied to Are you well, I suppose we could take a tism look I I sort of see it. I don't I don't like it though. I'm just gonna say I don't really like the web I can't I can't say I know I I know we're on stream and Maybe this is the best time or place to do it, but I gotta say I don't like to stream.  There you go. Every frame a phantom. No, no one like that. Everybody downvote phantasm every frame a I Don't know what other p words poltergeist Reframe a poltergeist.  That's a good one Everyone said it from a pumpkin.  I assume you could right?  Why are really good?  This is here He said oh, like would it make a difference if it was like the finger or the toe Would that just be the same degree of blood quality lower quality blood is it because the stuff on that That toe that's like, you know, they've been walking around and well, you know that and it's well I think it's furthest away from the heart, right? So the further you get away from the heart, maybe the worst the blood gets. Yeah, it wouldn't be circulate through brain I don't think there's any blood in the brain Is they not I don't think there is I'm pretty sure someone that way is their blood in the brain Normal function of the brain's control center is dependent upon add a good supply of oxygen and nutrients through dense network of blood vessel Okay. Yeah. All right. Well, Google does it taste good for vampires? That's what we're looking for brain blood I thought was around the brain. I didn't know there was like brain in the blood in the brain I thought there were like stuff around the brain and it had like that cerebral spinal flu Can they drink cerebral probably not in the brain, right? It's just um Around it I'm not a doctatism. Why would I know this stuff? Is there any doctors in the EFAP audience? Particularly ones that drink blood That's that's the important part Yeah, I should pick out I think so All right. Oh, yeah, I should proceed. Hello. Welcome. Welcome everyone EFAP 50 66 56. Yes, 56. I remembered We're here today to discuss many a thing and many not a thing and Today's our weeks this guest is is is mr. Gigi. Hello. How'd you do? Oh, you nailed that one? What's up guys? That is mr. Gigi not to be confused with mr. Gigi or Ms. Gigi actually. I actually I actually Gigi she's married So yeah, that's miss style with an A Otherwise, you'll get someone else. What's the what what is the what is the urban equivalent of? Misses do you have mista is mister? What is misses become? Maybe it's Misa Jar Jar Binks was saying that Misa. Oh The guy who a Look responsibility for taking down EFAP episodes previously is in chat telling everybody they've been trolled by him They were it was a hoax No guys, I was only pretending Yeah, um You did it. Good job. The only thing I ever said was that he obviously didn't do it I just thought of course not no one thinks that you can't just do that No one thinks that no one believed you what are you talking about?   This is a comment. I found on my videos now I'm gonna bring this back and I'm looking forward to it with episode nine But do you guys remember them my Star Wars rage videos? I referred to the force as the gay and it It made for some amusing connections that you can make with like different things And and someone was very upset And they left this call it free the internet Do to read this. Oh, yeah, that sounds fun. All right, so the comment Comment is by Vincent van Gogh He said I find your line of catching the gay highly freaking offensive Like so much.  Moller Can I remain like unconfirmed on that the jury's still out on whether he hates the gays He can be swayed either way.  I want to make sure that's right. There's a difference between cancer and cancer patients.  What does that even What does that even mean to you besides the obvious?  Jumping on you like one is now. I Reported your film two ways.  I do hope you get something done there But not some kind of mark, but we both know you won't What the hell I don't know but I don't know about you, but that makes all kinds of sense You guys were able to follow that right? Yo, I mean No, no But and this is what this this person has definitely caught the gay. Yeah. Oh, yeah It's looking pretty serious as it you know, it'll it'll turn you into an acolyte. That's what it'll do now I I'll say it first off Hello burning for the win, but also I would like to say You know, I actually forgot what I was gonna say, so let's just proceed So you're gonna review the comment as a whole just like nine out of ten. Um, I don't know subjectively I rate it pretty highly. I thought it was very amusing I enjoyed the misspellings and the terrible grammar that made it impossible for me to actually sort of tell what you were saying But at the same time I got to say objectively. I think it's an absolute train wreck So Don't give up keep trying. I can't wait for your next I can't wait for the next installment in the saga. I can't say the beginning of your story was very compelling But I just lost me. I think it had pacing issues if I hated the gays. Why would I? The most bizarre way to express that is that I call the fullest gay Forces the gay Like I just like well who in the world would have been offended to this degree by it I just thought it was supposed to give people a giggle, but holy shit Does this person think that like Kathleen Kennedy hates women because they she said the force is female Um, I don't know maybe good chance So yeah, um both both examples we just had very amusing YouTube commenters that They're the lifeblood of the community that is YouTube. They keep us going So never stop Another fun thing and this is this this may take some time. I really don't know. I don't know how we're gonna approach this But I was made aware by cynical reviews that there was there was a list of words that have been tested by somebody extensively to find out What if you put into your title of your video can get you demonetized? like automatically and so This person would have taken ages to do this I imagine and there's a couple of like Ways to have asterisks next to them to imply that they change Which how confusing is that like what system have they got going on? Is it like a bot decides what words are offensive?  Oh, they'll say it even though in the background They're actually going. Oh, you don't get to make any money Alright to monetize all your videos. Thank you. This is all but um, I didn't see the nid city video But I miss what I've heard is that these things as much as they're pretty dumb you can get it sorted out by like the Um on time like the people the creators chat thing. I'm assuming they can like remodels Yeah, I had to do that before but it it took one of the like the last video did it took them like weeks to do it activation Right. Well, okay. Yeah, so if everyone pulls it up, let's have a look at these the first one that 420 Plays it That's a drug reference smaller So I know that's why it's funny like why why why I mean 69 monetize your your drug paraphernalia in your drug thoughts I see so the green the green is monetizable. I see. Okay. See the oh, yeah If you go to um, if you salt by confirmed demonetized words, uh at the top we could we get an easy list, uh So some of these will be interesting af. Okay Yeah, I'm not I'm not gonna go through the whole thing if anybody just It's some strange ones here There's the the kind of words that I'm like, I guess you wanted to test it just to see what would happen The answer is on there. I'm not sure why alert is it was anal cancer specifically on the list Yeah, I mean if you established that anal is demonetized that does it matter about the other ones?  So if you say it, it's Asians. Is demonetized Really? No Asia Wow That's racist wonder if this stream will get demonetized now Oh, I think so We said 420.  So I mean honestly just just look through at your own pleasure. I'm I'm just very Fascinated by this whole thing Booby boobs boobs What yeah, it's like there are several words with more and more o's in them I guess yeah, because people I guess people realized you couldn't say boobs So they started saying boob And then youtube caught on and then they started saying boob Dude if if aids is demonetized chris and rich apples is gonna get a whole bunch of uh Videos demonetized for real rlm surely.  They tried that it didn't work faggad Fap has been demonetized Oh, e-fap is okay for now. They'll get us eventually. I'm sure wait fcuk. It's like a brand, isn't it?  They're like a I want to say pay a few more clothing fcuk Yeah, look french connection uk. That's what it's called French connection uk They're a real thing and you get demonetized. I guess now if you okay, but there's no see them There's no see in there French election. It's like I get it if it was like fuk, but not if you see k. What do you mean?  They're called f you fcuk.  Okay, so we'll then that makes sense.  Oh, no Female squirting is gone. Oh, no Female entirely is gone. Yeah female. Yeah, okay.    So don't die.   You can't say dogging man. That is pretty. Yeah. Wow Very you to unbelievable.  Well, these aren't these are words that when put into titles demonetize you As we've been detected as spoken that's probably the list of probably be similar because I know that they do that as well You can't say front, but hmm. I wonder how that works for like accents and stuff Why is gallon in it? You can't say Gabriel. Yeah, that's what I was looking at earlier Gabriel Gabriel and yeah, like what a name, but this is this is the interesting thing about this This list is we there's so many different ways these get here I like there's so many different parameters that can in a word onto this list That's why it's so funny Do you think maybe it's because it's connected to like, you know Christian mythology or something? maybe Cuz like I don't know. It's like there's a whole lot of anti-religious sentiment nowadays. It could be Yeah All I can think of is like gallons of cum. That's big I know man, I've had those days all I can think about is just gallons That's just where my head. I'm an American.  Oh, I guess because of the nazi pop Boy, but you don't know it could be grammar. It could legit be like grammar is just a bad word. They don't like Uh Isis there's a special one for isis. It says will lock video yellow do not use Jared is on here Jared is on here. Just the name Jared. Yeah, Jared. Wow. Sorry. Um, sorry pro jared.  Wait is condom Is that a word? No, I'm pretty sure U. M Is that people trying to get around saying condom I think so because on this list they have master bait But without the u and an e instead because a lot of people misspell master bait and ask me how I know Joker's on the list Of course it is. Is that literally because of the movie? I'm curious. Yeah You can't say new zealand Because like this is how it works, right? It gets thrown into here and then well So all the people trying to review it will get hit with yellows randomly Not everybody. I wonder how that works Maybe it's like you have to take enough boxes rather than just one something I think the way nerd city explained it in the video is it's kind of like a point system in a way So yeah, the way you explained it is when you combine demonetized words, it can really affect you Yeah, so if you combine if you combine osama bin laden With um pelvic organ prolapse Might have an issue with getting your video debatotized.  That's that's it Well, that's her stage name It's a documentary on licking lindsay I already wanted to buy it It's interesting that pass away is on this list because it reminds me of george carlin bit when he says Like he was going on about like how politically correct words have become and he's like and don't worry everybody I will never die. I'll pass away And now that's not even allowed.  That's on the list as well as a zoophilia. So why is master bat list One of the word one of the number one thousand is xbox nigga massage specifically xbox This is kind of weird rumor is on here, but it's the one with a u that one's not allowed Oh rumor without a u is allowed. We're fine. All right. Mm-hmm. Yeah, we're okay. Yeah, you can take your leaders have come and show it That's a philia oba why milf hunter milf Sudden infant death syndrome what Oh my god the amount of different ways to do motherfucker.    That's there you go North Carolina Yeah, it's like just every state is just not allowed for some reason I wonder if california is on here if it's not then I think we have uh I have to wonder if like Let's see. I don't wonder if youtube are like Interesting California is not on here. Oh who to thunk. I want to know if if youtube are want to address this And be like look it makes sense Looking at it this way is gonna taking the piss Wouldn't want those filthy filthy flyover states in your title. Good god I think our britain is in here. We made it I think the moral of the story is just if you want to do youtube videos. Just don't expect to make money Find alternative means don't use many words. Just just keep simple don't say anything I would say do instrumentals, but we know those get demonetized too. So Whatever the jj really Don't make it to the jj song or j anal prolapse song or anything like that. Just don't do it What a weird world staring at the camera fruit Just under 10 minutes We did it. So that's I don't really what can we even say? That's just yeah, it's great I'm not a big fan of unions Uh, but man, I I know the york sprob thing and the I hope that youtubers union works out because there we've we've gotten to a point where youtube has become such a Just a poop show that it's just man It ain't right. It ain't right The system's Forked yep shrek is on here cynical review. Oh, no I guess the bot was programmed to be like nope enough of your memes Not a nice swamp Somebody oh that's on there too. Um, I realize people will consume let me look about asking the episode of the stolls question I'm afraid Gigi is not interested in stolls. He hasn't even really seen them. Is that what you said? Yeah, have you even seen like the originals? No Jesus wow Okay, I thought I was I thought I was the last one alive to have not seen the originals. So I'm Hey Oh wow Yeah, j is seen more. Oh, no Oh, no Oh, no Oh, no Well, we don't have to judge him. It's all right. You know, we're not doing that I'm getting full responsibility I'm disappointed, but you know That's a common feeling. I'm not angry. I'm not angry. Okay.  I'm afraid Unless you want to quickly watch all of them. I mean, we'll give you five minutes if you want I'm all in really fast speed You're probably right now on the stream iTunes, yeah, yeah, I think I heard him do it. That was the sound of it all the movies at once Which one was your favorite? All right, we can start now Did you like the third one a lot of people say it's the best the prequels on Yeah, the pacing was pretty good Um, well, I guess that brings us to our main event because uh, we we were gonna talk about Well, yeah, and people people probably want us to mention joker. I saw it Go on twitter to see what what I thought about it like more in depth But the easy way to say it is it was pretty good I liked it and it's it's what I would say is the best film I've seen this year Uh, I loved it It's been interesting watching media meltdown over it. Uh, I don't understand what the hell's going on, but I also do I guess it's uh, you had said earlier That you wanted a sequel right If we can't say too much Well, I mean, I'm not gonna say much. I just I don't agree, but we can we can discuss that later. We'll have to see Put a bookmark in that Put a put a put a tism mark in that um Yeah, I don't think it's I don't think it well as far as I'm aware it won't because it's not supposed to be any kind of universe movie Well, I believe walking phoenix only said he wanted to do one Oh, there you go. Um Uh, yeah, so anyway, the the other thing we're going to talk about today was was um Well, just game of thrones for a bit because uh You know, we're all so much in love with that And um, again, I don't know how this is gonna work in terms of copyright stuff, but I was meant to show this before Basically, and I don't know if anyone here has seen it or um people in chat have seen it but the uh The cast were at a panel and it was they were they were addressing questions and something funny came up Because everybody always wanted them to address the whole thing dnd happened to just not turn up to this thing By the way, even though they were supposed to shocker. Yeah, um Why ever would they not? I don't know. I it's a mystery. Uh, there's lots of different things people have talked about as reasons Why they probably were tired ill, you know, lots different Reasonable reasons for someone to not turn up Um, I've heard the one or two people didn't like the season, but I doubt that's connected to it. Um Either way. Oh, uh, so wait, is anyone anyone not in the uh watched it?  Um, have you used this before gg? I usually should ask people just in case I haven't but It's a wonderful little system. It just leaves us all in sync. Uh volume control is for you individually though. We all get our own one Okay, um, let me just find the time I'll try and be careful Good chance this is gonna get claimed though, and I'm not sure Well, I'm hoping that we can just get away with it. That's just kind of where I'm at Drag it back to like here That should do it We did an interview uh for for e for e w when uh, you know when when you're on set and you're like still in character You're still very much in the story. Right. Yeah. So uh for context The rags, I think you're the only person that would have trouble with this but you probably recognize vaguely Maybe one or two of those people they're all the cast I recognize one I recognize uh on the far right is, um I know the character, um Jamie Jamie Then you have Davos.  That's his name.  And then you have bill, right? Bill sam bill and sam Sam sam that sam you see bill with sam's pony. That's how I got him mixed up That on the far left should be uh, kibern, right? Now on the far left is no, that's uh, that's uh, the spyman Oh, no, no, no, you're right. No, see I got their name mixed up.  What was the spyman's name again? You got this you could do it But you're actually no, no, I was asking you Varus Huh? Varus Varus Right and kibern's the guy whose head exploded out of nowhere So, uh, he I actually read out his his comment on, uh, I think my episode four video Where he basically said that like well, he wasn't happy and uh, this person's talking about that in this question And then here you got got a lot of attention it got a lot of pick up You you were very candid about your feelings about the final season And internet being internet, you know, I think it kind of got some of those quotes got kind of cherry picked and and put on to other Sites and kind of pushed perhaps a bit further than you intended You know, I got the feeling you kind of wanted to address that a bit and maybe some more time has passed How are you now feeling about the end of Varus? Well, I don't regret starting the petition I didn't even see brand Huh? Oh, yeah, brands they too. I didn't even see brand You have to laugh when someone said that this is the thing, um The whole petition thing like people love to talk about that the guy who made that said he made it as a joke And so like a lot of people like what is wrong with you and it's like All guys like he just wanted to say that he thought the riot was bad. That's all um, but like when you got like the actors of the show, uh Referencing it. It's like that this thing got around Um, it was funny. My when I met with my family to um watch some of the season They mentioned it without me imagining it. I was like, oh wow you hit about the How many people um Signed it in total. Was it two million or what a million and a half? I think Two million to redo season eight Yeah Yeah, it's pretty nutty number. That's for sure um Feel like I'm waiting for someone to mention it in chat. So if I imagine they'll know Uh, it says right here 1.7 million Geez It's a lot of people People are still signing it right now Yeah, it's it's like giving you live notifications sign five hours ago sign five hours ago. Oh shit So it's over 1.2 Billion is what you might think Quite a few Let me just throw a million with a m but um, yeah People saying just pause this more the problem is we're never gonna get through this video if I keep pausing it So I'm kind of gambling with this one and hoping that we get through it anyway I mean, I just kind of keep an eye on chat if we go down That'll be awkward What else can I do? And see that that chia by the way, that's the fans being like, yeah, what shit would it It's it's gratifying to have the actors go along with it, but I think the They feel bad It'd be like we shouldn't be shitting on it that sort of thing I think I think they know that they're I think especially being in in a room full of people that feel this way They're like, yeah, we're almost like united against the fact that we've been betrayed in some way by the end of this terrible season Well, they do certainly how I would feel No, it'd be interesting to see what you think of what they say then Now I to be very honest. I did an interview with dw way after we finished the show And the question was how did you feel at the time when I was very honest that I was absolutely gutted to get so close but not Make the end But then like what? It's inside your head So I think that was him being like is anyone else read the book see that the forest has got a different fate interestingly, but uh It doesn't really matter I I I gave I thought I gave a very honest Answer to how I felt but I put it in the context of that was one of the risks and being in a multi character show And I thought the whole initial interview was very balanced, but as you say It was picked over like a whale on a beach and they took all the negative out of it and didn't put any of the positive in so for the record I loved all my 10 years on game of thrones. I started when I was So this is the thing I kind of want to mention It's like it sucks when the actors think that we might for a second Be like, uh, everything about it was terrible Even even the way you guys like probably hug out was probably bad. You hated all didn't you? It's like, no Directed all specifically at the writing.  Everything else did great the coffee cups even they looked great Very very green you know to direct it It was a life-changing experience and I met wonderful people on and off screen who I worked with who were beautiful inside and out And the one thing that last series was about was the futility of conflict And the pointlessness of war And if that you get yeah, but that's wrong though war gets shit done. I was gonna say it It's like that's literally not true. I was like, but you beat them with a wall What do you the war ended the conflict for now? Like war solves problems if war didn't do anything people would do it Yes, he just means like we should all be nice and happy like yeah I agree nice and happy Right for the platitudes y'all while we're on the topic of the reaction You know, I do want to get into that a little bit because you know Sir see didn't get her elephants, but that is the elephant in the room You know, I spoke to each you on on that set. I get the feeling everyone's expecting a certain percentage Of a fan upset over the final season either because you obviously can't please everybody and also because of Certain, you know scripted things were were were pretty much intended to be divisive But I don't think anyone expected the level of blowback that there was so for whoever wants to tackle it I don't I I don't think it was you look at the amount of people who are here And we're here to thank you for watching us for all those of you Like I think I feel like you'd be better off It's just like one-on-one interviews ask some specific questions about character decisions instead Because it always gets sort of construed into like Game of Thrones season eight was just bad overall And then so they immediately want to be like no no we had great time and the bands were respected and beloved It's like no We had there was such a good message. There were such positive vibes. We all got a lot. Yeah, they had like pc answers ready to go Oh, yeah, they must have known this would come up ready. Oh, yeah, they knew what they were walking into That's why dnd didn't show up It's room in the lion's den Like among each other we always did our hardest work and crew for you And so we're very grateful for your fandom over the years and I think this is the reality rather than uh, sort of media-led hate campaign Media-led hate campaign It wasn't media led media didn't really do anything unless you count They kind of didn't they kind of go on damage control for it, too. Yeah, like unless he's talking about like youtubers The media I don't know. I guess I don't know. I just wouldn't really count that as media I like Hate campaign it's all well and good when they like it when they don't like it. It's a hate campaign. It's like oh, that's not nice Yeah, it's if it's a media-led love campaign Oh, that's fine. How would that look a media-led love campaign? Well, that's what we got with like captain marvel and stuff like that black panther You will love it. If you do not love it.  You are sexist. You are a bad person but also remember it's like every it was Yeah, we're surprising the level of I mean these absurdity of the online petition. Yes Of course, the HBO going to change the whole thing. Yes. Yeah Like the guy who wrote it even said that he doesn't intend for it to actually make any difference He just wanted to make the petition and so when people are like, did you really think your petition was going to make a difference? It's like Is it bad? The fact that they signed it either way whether their sentiment thought that You know when they signed it whether or not they thought it would really bring a change or whether or not they thought It was just their way of voicing their displeasure. Either way. It doesn't change the point just like So condescending. It's like, do you do you think the important part is that the people signed it? Of course, that's the power of the internet But every season we had Huge controversies and there was like from that start being killed. It was like, I'm never going to watch that piece of shit show again terrible And then there was the red wedding and I never I mean there was every season Obviously the end In a show that I mean I've just I think it's been it's been I'm so having trouble there This is really I feel like they're really trying to avoid the actual question of like Jamie that hurt. I love that. It's like, yeah, they can name these events and then he says the the end You know You can see trying to relate the red wedding and Ned Stark's death to Uh, Daenerys killing everybody. Yeah. Well, this is the thing right?  So don't worry about the fact that this last season made everyone upset and is People are not for right reasons. This is what this is coming. I've like, dude, you know, this is not the same thing I know, you know, you don't need to try and imply like Main characters getting killed in reasonable ways is not the same as a character assassination. Okay Yeah, I did were people really upset with the red wedding and with Ned Stark dying I don't remember the sentiment being I'll never watch this show again. I remember it being like that was incredible and horrifying And hell it made people want to watch it more Yeah, I was about to say I thought those were the vibes that were coming from it because I only heard about this stuff sort of tangentially from other people but that Sort of did seem to be the vibe here They're like, wow, I can't wait to see what happens in Game of Thrones There's always the whole thing of who lives who dies? No one's safe. That sort of thing And this what I mean, like it's a dream come true to have the actors actually talk about this and This is what we get. It's like Fun Beeps and boobs Just here, but also fans of the show and realizing that this show has brought so many They are unified in a way. Yes And isn't that what made it? I mean, there's been memes about this, but it's genuinely true My dentist didn't like it Okay Like somebody who did not care to just have a critical thought about it. They would just say it's just cool show and they were like, yeah It's pretty bad My family hated it and I'm usually supposed to be the one that's like trying to coax any kind of sort of Criticism out of people instead of just having fun and I didn't have to do anything I was just sitting there listening to this will be the second Daenerys started birding children. They were like Nah Just seems a little They a lot of people I bet they didn't they wouldn't have been able to necessarily articulate why it was terrible But their brain knew something was up.  They're just like, uh, I I I guess it makes sense That's the best answer I could Yeah, and Finn is one of my family members were like she was really upset.   It's like cool. What about all the other times?  The first response you'd have is kill children.  You can't have God She only accidentally killed Cersei in that episode She didn't seem to actually go for it I forgot why she was here Like why am I here? All right, that's the thing with episode six. She doesn't even like Find out if anyone's found Cersei's body. She doesn't care Yeah, didn't you hate her? Why are we here again? Is like, uh, these are children what? They're like Cersei's body's been found. She's like, I don't care. How many children do we kill? No, like Round up the rest Enough of these generations.  Just don't call people names and uh Nobody called anyone a name on the petition. They just said we need better writers Yes, that counts as a name I guess that's implying that they're bad writers. Yeah, which is you can't do that because it's subjective And that's that's just hateful bad writers is uh on the demonetization list Yeah, you can't say that can't say bad writers Almost a metaphor for life. It's not arriving at the end. That's That's the point of this whole thing. It was the journey And it's the journey I have a problem with not the end. I remember when they said that about mess effect three as well It's about the journey It's not about the destination This is where he's like nobody's talking about the ad. They're talking about the journey.  And I have to wonder um Is that some is that a mindset that's more common with an actor that's really not into the character portion of it? And is just reading the scripts as well. Yeah, this is what everyone would do because that's what the script says Yeah, the script is the script. I mean the script can't be bad. I'm not really maybe that's an actual thing Maybe they're really in the mindset where they're like they you don't even really question the script Yeah, that's I and I'm not even necessarily being that critical of that because you trust the writers They're the ones that created slash developed your character, right? See like of course they know what they're doing But I just want to see examples where actors like will like know the writers But you know right rather than wrong preferably they were just like no my character wouldn't do this you have to change it That's what I think It would be cool to see something like that in action because I know that um Amelia clock felt like Danny wouldn't do that shit, but she didn't Stop it or anything which is probably not wouldn't be a wise move for her to do that. Anyway, you know Imagine Sorry Is that why Danny's not even at the panel? Oh, I don't know about that.  Yeah, you should have waited until the show was over. That's what people have been saying You guys are here because you could recognize the amount of love that we had in making this show and we We and you were all on this journey together We weren't just delivering something we thought was nice our goal at our great tea We didn't know where it was going to go. Nobody knew how big it was going to get And and all of us here feel absolutely blessed to have been part of it as much as we're all fans of the show We all don't I mean like nobody's going to disagree with any of that. That's not really what yeah, it's all just platitudes that are dull and boring. It's just pr speak and I'm sure they feel it's true. I just it's not It's not relevant. I don't know man. How I wonder how much they're just like Yeah, I just go to the panel say the things that we need to say and then go home and Just say the things that nobody could disagree with and then say, yes, San Diego's the best city. We'll get some Oh, yeah, I agree with that like Like if they were like, I don't know Every question just gets deflected hardcore and then counted with something that like you just said no one's going to disagree with it so And I guess like the people asking the questions aren't going to go you didn't answer my question They're just going to go. Thank you. Oh, yeah, thank you.  You have to be it's a beautiful beautiful story telling and I'm blessed you've heard I think that's it. If it's not the story you want it doesn't make it any less Is not the story you want Not the story you want who wanted that story Is there anything with the benefit of hindsight that you wish had been done differently? Oh, I should have been on the throne Deflective of the joke answer like yeah, I know it's so annoying No, really no, no, really Tell us what you think they fucked up It's obvious Speaking of endings, I want to get into some specific burning questions about the final season for each of you You know that I'm actually quite excited. I think that's about it for that Because I don't think well, I was gonna say we could see what the first question is But I'm pretty sure that's it for the that's the closest you get to any kind of Question about how much people hated that season Ask You know, Nikolai you you've strongly defended Jamie's choice to return to surcey As exactly what his character would do based on everything that we've previously seen But If Jamie had somehow survived being stabbed by your honor and being covered in rubble And surcey had not Do you think that a relationship with Then we would have ship brainy Yes, it would have been Brienne and Jamie forever Yeah, yeah, let's promise you Like a funny answer Yeah disappointing really what are you gonna do disappointing? um They probably contractually obligated to not charge the show No, for sure. I would not agree Yeah, I guess not Especially if d&d weren't even there they were like, hey, don't be assholes I the fact I'd be like notice the d&d didn't show up The d&d he's like we did Yeah, we can see the panel afterwards with Seth with uh, Seth Rogen. Oh, yeah He kind of called them out for that maybe I could probably pull that up actually because I think I have to see how you just saw You'll probably find this funny He just immediately starts talking shit that they weren't there um I find the original clip hopefully This is a lot of views that are going to be like covering it I guess See this is it Sack Clips being in displace Let's try this Um, the isle is on reddit. I thought it was hilarious Most notably Seth Rogen who had the following to say about the two and the show's ending I want to start by saying I know we're following the game of thrones panel, which is a fucking nightmare just objectively Objectively a nightmare I also know that their showrunners didn't show up because they didn't want to answer questions about the show I am not one of the creators of game of thrones, but I am the creator of other tv shows So feel free to ask me any game of thrones questions you guys have Throughout the night. I'm not an expert. I didn't read the books, but I watched the show So I can give you my insights and thoughts just as How they pulled it off It's gonna be more satisfying for each or a game of thrones. I think I hopefully I won't be I'm here at least so I think I love the degree of part shots. It's just like No mercy And what I would also like to say is I would imagine those guys regret making brand the king Ultimately He doesn't have the best story and that's If you guys aren't coming up to the mic in the next little bit Geez I'll give you my take. I don't know for sure. I've met them a couple times. They're nice, but yeah Why didn't aria wear a face again? Well, see this is the reason why like most people see what he's saying You forget he's seth rogan like producer director big hollywood person. You start seeing he's just a fan of the show clearly Who's pissed off? Yeah, kind of just a guy It is sad that it's over. It's weird that it's over. It's going on Thanks They don't want All right, next question. Uh, do you think that uh, they made a mistake by not having kamey lannister kill cersei? I do honestly a little bit. It was disappointing You don't want to follow these people for three years and see their six years in front. They trapped in rubble con anti-climactic anyway Is um, are we going to get to see Jesse custer fly in on a dragon and maybe I wasn't going to make a joke about how you look like woody heraldson Because you made that joke Right, don't do one of those things because it's because it ends. It's over. It would put us in a weird position If you guys now make like a petition to save preacher Because it's over and we don't and we would have to do some other thing Which would be super it would be hard for us. So you will reshoot the last season, right? Yeah, we're gonna crowdsource the reshooting of the final episode. Yeah, uh, I bet they wish they kept more of the dragons around Yeah, um, what do you think seth rogan would play in game of thrones? uh I wouldn't land us. Hold on Um, this is the thing. It's not even over. So this next video Is entitled the panel stuff No, no panel stuff's over now. Oh, okay. That's just a bit of like overall sadness of everything but This video is called But give game of thrones An an unpopular opinion I guess they're gonna be game of thrones. They're gonna be making an argument For how I guess it's just not as bad as we think sort of um Okay. Oh, we got a disclaimer. I guess I'll open that one up first So The following is not necessarily meant to argue whether or not season eight of game of thrones was good or bad But rather to challenge the way we as an audience engaged with the story and reframe our Expectations regarding what value we can take from an imperfect work um Right, I don't Okay, that's the most weasley. Don't be mad. Don't be mad. Don't be mad Reframe our expectations Yeah, I'm just gonna try and ignore that and see what he actually says because I there's not much to work with Reframe your expectations from an imperfect work I can forgive all of them make them see they made a mistake Make them understand reminding me So I'm back and we have to talk about toxic fandom Oh for fuck's sake. Oh toxic fandom. We have to talk about toxic fandoms Tell us about the toxic who would know better. We are the toxic brood.   Yeah But um, I'm gonna have to I'm putting that in gadelb We have to talk about toxic fandoms And then I don't know message it with fill the screen with this We'll probably make that one go It's fatter than the screen is Yeah, it'll be great Find a really really chunky font It's like busting Since season eight ended the internet's been flooded with countless takes on the ending of game of thrones From fans insisting they know the story better than the writers. Oh, can you believe that?   Does he not think there are certain rules with certain characters about certain things that certain people know better than others? I don't know And shit, what if the writers just forgot about? Oh, no Yeah, the guy who was like, oh, maybe einstein's theory of relativity isn't as solid as we thought is Can you believe this guy thinks he knows physics better than einstein the guy who wrote physics? All right, let's keep going It's clear that reactions are mixed And all criticism is important. I think that if we want to be critical of media, we should also be critical of our own opinions So in light of some of the extreme reactions we've been seeing the worst the worst finale Episode in the history of television, I'm gonna say we need I died It's quite I think I agree. I don't know that there's a worst episode of television Relative uh relative to the tv show it is in Then season eight episode five. It's a disaster Is anybody hearing? Oh my yeah Singapore All right Singapore saves the day As usual, can you do some kind of a appreciation for Singapore sometime? Yeah, but for people in chat who have no idea what we're talking about when we say that in discord calls You have regions that essentially host the the call And it'll always default to like wherever the most people are so it's like two americans and a brit It'll be in america and vice versa. Um Whenever we turn it to singapore, it just fixes the problem I don't know why We like it so it's okay. Singapore always comes through Singapore's a good man You need to take a step back. Thanks, singapore. Yeah, we like you If any y'all in this one for you the streams for you singapore the stream is sponsored by singapore It's spring sponsored by singapore space The worst the worst finale episode in the history of television I'm gonna say we need to take a step back as a culture and take a look as a culture Geez as a culture. I think we're gonna it was difficult, but all right As so this kind of reaction isn't really exclusive to game of thrones. You look exactly like I think you should He looks a lot like dale. He's like another dale You know those eyebrows though. He looks kind of like a like a dan acroids cousin I can kind of see where you're getting dan acroids from i can i can kind of see it But dan acroids much more fun than this person's probably going to be Oh, yeah, and he has amazing crystal skull vodka very smooth. It's filtered with charcoal Right diamonds It's dying whatever So this kind of reaction is really exclusive to game of thrones Fandoms actually have a history of toxic backlash when things don't go their way. It wasn't long Okay, instantly instantly poisoning the well by assuming people's intentions or that it didn't go The way that they wanted Why do people keep saying that? It's like you'll just have there's so many different ways. We're happy for it to go And it's always about these properties where they take the ultimate utane Like luke is a coward gamey lannister Betrays all of his development. Daenerys kills innocent children.  Could there be an extreme reaction? bizarre I don't know that we can be extreme. It's terrifying.  This is horrifying It was a weird one man It's made it into this really interesting middle ground where it's too weird for people and then too weird for furries too It's yeah, the furries. How did you do that?   It looks fantastic.  Yeah, like, you know what else was criticized this other thing Well, that's your princess. It doesn't count Spock dying that wasn't really like a part of plot weirdness or anything, right? It was just it was something that You know, well, that's kind of what i'm trying to highlight is the Where the complaints would have been for different reasons different contexts different people It's like we should probably look into the details instead of drawing it out so far that everything's everything's so broad That it all looks the same like oh, yeah, so criticized an apple someone criticized wrath of con You know what's wrong with an apple what's wrong with nothing. They're both fine Apples are good for you. Yeah, it's these anti fruit sentiments Exactly. It's weird.   Did you see it? It looked horrible Trekkie's blamed Leonard Nimoy and even sent him death threats Just last year the last Jedi's kelly marie train Allegedly that's what they did. Yeah, this is the thing even me Trying to highlight that this is not an argument that supports Toxic fandom it just supports that there'd be toxic individuals at best It's not even people don't even proof for this Like and people are upset that i'd even repeated the story without Acknowledging that there was no proof You just went off instagram. Why does this get peddled everywhere? That's just an easy it's easy to go to what if somebody left This would have happened by the way What if somebody left a platform because they got too much like Appreciation or love like too many people sending messages saying like you're amazing. I love you Where are you? Can I meet you? I want signatures Do you like it went to their heads? No, like they're like I can't stand this amount of bombardment I need to leave like even if it's positive and what i'm getting at is that would there be a video being like the toxic Lovedom you stop it. No, I think it's just the nature of support is such that it wouldn't really happen I'm sure there's gonna be somebody who's overloaded just by the the stress of having that many people wanting to speak to you Like isn't that kind of what keanu Reeves is going through? probably It must be hard to stay humble as keanu Reeves. Yeah, I got keanu Reeves is freaking an angel We don't deserve it. Um, but yeah, this this whole Story, I'm always every time people bring it. I'm like, so this is proof of what what is this proof? What does it prove even if kelly marie tran did leave instagram because people would mean what does that prove? As kelly marie tran was bullied off social media because fanboys didn't like the character and boys Women wouldn't have been mean to her of course.  No, look, I know we're a quick minority I realize negative opinions are not the same as bullying But I do have to ask How much of this is constructive? Do people understand does it have to be constructive to be criticism?  Not to say that we shouldn't value constructive criticism too But the idea that you point out what is wrong and explain why it's wrong without suggesting how to fix it Is that so bad?  So You shouldn't really suggest fixes of course because that'll be very presumptuous of you Yeah, to think that you're better than the writers. Like I'll remember that next time you ever criticized anything ever made. Yeah It wasn't made for you ranks. You just have to understand that Like oh, so you whenever you criticize a show or criticize a shot or a camera angle or anything We're just gonna say, oh, you just you're just presuming that you know more than the people who are professionals Who do this for a living who make movies? I can't believe that you did that The first mistake is just lumping it all together and treating it as one like person It's like representatives. So like every every one of the worst things that you would have seen as this person And being like that kind of criticism is bad. And it's just like which which one are you talking about? Who? Where? It's really important to separate them out because they're not all the same And the thing they're criticizing And Are we maybe overreacting? No What is the correct reaction to have? for me Love and love only Yeah, um overreaction would be doing things like killing people burning property Rides in the streets like yeah, that would be overreacting But it's a show so going on the internet and saying that it's shit is pretty reasonable just like I'd like to just have a chart, you know, it's like so I watched the episode and I go Kind of annoyed me and he's like he looks when he's like, okay And you do it again.  We can't go any further than that. I don't like why though.  Yeah, what about that?   Just because everyone hates it.   You need to understand my pain right now.  Why are the by the um The batter trebuchet is the second line. That's even stranger.  Yeah Oh pain But yeah, obviously if this guy was here with me, he'd be like you're overreacting stop it It's hard to talk about fandoms without generalizing people Because everyone responds to a story in their own way Some people love and you're you to say that our way to respond is not valid I'm curious if he's gonna address that like I wonder if I imagine it'll be like liking's okay. Loving's okay. Disliking's okay. Hating's okay, but Kind of weird line being one. This is the thing we draw lines to like Bulls to violence for example would be like what the hell are you doing?  It's like, all right. Give me and rags a sack. We'll go find one for ourselves References It's without generalizing people Because everyone responds to a story in their own way Some people loved the ending some hated it some hated the ideas and others did some people love it I honestly like trying to be fair here. I didn't see anybody say that they loved the ending of season eight.    Anyway Well, I was going to say to clarify. I don't think it's impossible or anything. It's just that I didn't really see any of that Um, I saw a shit ton of like loving for tlj But season eight game of thrones not really like the best I saw was like it was all right I saw people tolerate it tolerate. Yeah I couldn't put up with this I suppose There is hated the way they were executed Obviously, not everything I say can apply to every single person So in order to be objective, I'm going to be a nerd and start with some graphs to be objective me A downfall of game of thrones So this is just user ratings averaged out. I guess um Whoa, what happened at season five? Oh man, let's uh have a look at which episode that it says one two three four five six The five What happened? Because that's unbound unbent unbroken. Is this I get a plot summary yeah Oh um Winterfell. Oh This is the one where ramsey rapes sounds so Uh-oh that one got huge controversy People went crazy over that. I remember that Basically like people didn't people didn't want that to happen to Sansa basically um Okay But it wasn't because like the writing just blew out a whack or anything, right? I'd have to see what the arguments were. I can't remember if people were saying it was Whole writing or if it was uh Like I don't know if they'd say like disgusting writing Was it more the rape scene in general or because theon didn't do shit because he was watching um I'd have to check honestly. I'd have to look at well. Let's let's do it. Um I mean it's lower than the season eight episode.  Yeah, do you know if this is the bad pussy quote? I love bad pussy. That quarter loan is like dips the episode itself in ratings. All right I've seen a lot of People love it ratings. Let's go one star rating um So first one complains about Sansa second one complains nothing's going anywhere The show's going too far away from the book It's terrible. It's building nothing getting worse. Um Kind of hard to understand for sure. I'd have to re-watch the episode, but yeah, I'd still find that pretty interesting that um It's the lowest rated episode like you'd think Yeah, okay. Well, let's see what he says about this anyway Looking at the data there seems to be a distinct sense from the critical community that Game of Thrones fell apart in the last three or four episodes I mean it fell apart Lillily other than that it was it had its funeral in like season seven season eight was sort of I don't even know what you'd call it. What kind of metaphor is zombie corpse crawling out of the grave? Stamina's head corpse of thrones was pretty uh, uh pretty much a letdown Now people were pretty happy about the first and second episode right like it was okay on season eight Sorry, uh when it came to like the first and second episode of season eight people like this is the thing um The show was definitely damaged, but there was still plenty of characters left that people cared about so it was like We'll still watch it through it through to the end and the white walkers that was finally coming to a head So it was like, oh cool All this time because they were introduced in literally the first scene of the entire show It's like, oh cool. And then they ruined everything live Yep I like that the episode three ratings 73 percent because that's that's where everything went wrong and it's like people like yay yay and then the next episode which is pretty like It's just stupid a lot of stupid things happen And and people like I think that a lot of the souring of the third episode Bled into the fourth for sure as well as the fourth being bad, but then the fifth one happened It was all over I'm gonna have to look at the audience scores of these though because I like those are way more Interesting They're probably lower. I'd imagine or at least I'd hope Oh absolutely Before that the show was mostly a critical hit But was this sudden drop in score is actually fair. Um, oh no He says it's not fair. I mean season day was the way of season for sure So I don't know seems fair to be to depict organic. Let me draw it back a bit But was this sudden drop in score is actually fair For me the show had been struggling for years to depict organic character development and realistic politics And to be frank the books game of thrones is based on are way too dense and expansive to be accurately adapted to television That's not people's problems necessarily. No one ever said they didn't adapt it because of a length issue Yeah, I feel like he's Going down a path that's not relevant really It's like Couldn't put everything in the book in the show or the book is too vast or complicated for everything And it's like that's not you know, what issues people have like why are you going this way? Yeah, and that's the thing. It's all like people work on some um Yeah, people were having problems with things steering away from the books If they were having such a problem with it adapting poorly then they wouldn't have bitched about that Yeah The problems so many had with the ending are problems I've been seeing for a while now and so I'd come to look at the show as kind of a preview for the books While I understand people's frustration with certain sloppily handled twists I'm also kind of just over it and preferred good for you Okay, what does this have to do with people? Also, I find it's It almost seemed like an excuse like hey Books are bad. The show was kind of bad already It's fine He's he's very much downplaying the negative aspects of it. Yeah, if anything, he's showing Daenerys on that right bit sooner Yeah Yes, there are plot holes after showing Daenerys about to kill also millions of children How do you play that you come down play that Kind of just over it and prefer to focus more on the core ideas like What does the ending say about moral certitude and the glorification of war more moral certitude You've ever heard that word before certitude. Yeah, I got nothing One sec. I'm just looking into it absolute certainty or conviction. All right Hey I've honestly never heard that before. Um, I went over this in my video though like The idea that no matter what Team you're on they're gonna commit evil acts. It's like they handled it so rushedly in that fifth episode And in ways that just are confusing like this army turn up They've won the enemy team surrender.   You're like Guys you all nearly died recently to save the world This is weird Okay, you need to you need to do this in a way that's a lot more smooth than just We're over prepared.  I don't think yeah, I don't think anyone's like yeah war is awesome Yeah, I don't think it's ever been that way The show even I've never heard anybody really make that argument like what happened to my characters Yeah, that he's like, uh, yeah, I know there's plot holes, but listen to me. I need to talk about the themes and you're like, uh Or about power redemption and choice In the backlash these bigger discussions.  I wonder if you would just be like, okay, but you're missing the point and I'd be like, no, you're missing the point The details make us the the big picture In the backlash these bigger discussions aren't really being had Yet the show runners that fans are now calling dumb and dumber are the That's from a not only The same ones who've been writing the show since season one and had been risked. Yeah Well, so if you did something good you can't do something bad Do you think look look a Ridley Scott? I might go to example pretty much every time. So I'm sorry the man made alien and Prometheus Well, alien and alien covenant. I should probably just say Right. Yeah, but the yeah, but but but but Yeah I mean, you think you're better than you think you know more than the writer is smaller This is this is got you there D and D Is battle of the bastards is only example here?    You know the mechanics of the fight can absolutely be criticized heavily Yeah, of course the fans were happy because those things fall away when the characters are In maintain integrity. We didn't get anything in season eight. All of it was in the bin Dumber are the same ones who've been writing the show since season one And had been he should be saying adapting the show instead of writing it Venice a lot of the great dialogue from the show is taken from the books A lot of the the way that is structured is taken from the books and a lot of people will say It started to fall apart the second they stopped using it as reference material So Yeah, I think there's a lot of arguments to be made about their quality as writers actually especially didn't one of them write X-Men Origins Wolverine Which is like despised typically especially by Deadpool fans. Yes Oh If we want to talk about track history, like, you know And receiving critical acclaim well after they passed the books As we saw with episodes like battle of the bastards and the winds of winter The good act does not wash out the bad No, no the bad the good so this doesn't support your point. They're about the good Though many repeat the mantra that the problem isn't what happened. It's how it was executed No, it's both Yeah, it was it was a bad thing bad ideas executed horribly Um So you just yeah, it's just this this is why it's a contender for me for like the worst episode of tv I've ever seen like I don't think anything can be in it. So it's so crazy It's possibly the most expensive episode of tv 2 I don't you know, that's probably not true from what I Know about old tv, but it's probably up there Oh, yeah Just the biggest example of how money can't save you I don't think that sentiment captures the full story behind the backlash And that's not to say that everything was well executed But to say that for several years fans have been forgiving and even applauding sloppy writing because they liked what was happening Sloppy writing who are wait. Wait, what do you mean sloppy writing? Who are you to say that you know better than the writers do? Yeah This guy's clearly for himself But it's funny though because he's these things I like the fans missed this stuff people were complaining about a lot of the writing Barston sell me in season five was awful the what they did with him blackfish so awful what they did with him People despise what they did with stannis And sansa Like he's treating it like there was never any controversies and confusions from the fan base, but once you take so uh, Daenerys Tyrion danie and john they're like the four huge protagonists of the show Then to a lesser degree Cersei and a couple of others and then the rest Um, and all of them got butchered in one episode Like of course people are going to be much more Infuriated by that than having tertiary characters like baristan get fucked up Just natural and I don't know why he's pretending like nobody had a problem with anything before season eight. It's like it's not the case For example, the resolution of the slaver's base storyline and the battle of the bastards Aren't really set up much better than anything in season eight. They just have more popular outcomes What changed in the last three episodes is that the outcomes got controversial Nonsensical they got controversial like the red wedding was controversial Yeah, he's gonna need to define his terms here because that's uh I mean Controversial could be a lot of things Yeah For example, many believed that defeating the night king was john's whole arc and insist that john was wrong Why would they believe that? Why would they believe that? Why would they get that crazy idea into their head? Even the writers believed it. There's that clip where he's like, yeah It's too obvious to make john kill the night king. We want to we want to surprise people.   This is unexpected for sure and I think people will have trouble with it But makes the penis disappear Nothing else though because which happens often when salmon frodo are together That golem will be crowned the new sauron that is our vision Our goal believed that defeating the night king was john's whole arc and insist that john was robbed of his destiny But even before he encountered the white walkers john's conflict was always framed as love versus duty The human heart in conflict with itself his arc is about making difficult choices Well, I guess he can't I means he can't kill the night king. I guess he's gonna pigeonhole him And he's gonna be wrong the idea of love versus duty. How do you explain like That that can't possibly relate to If we had gotten some kind of resolution where he killed the night king No, I don't know you no I stop If we had gotten some kind of resolution that involved him killing the night king as a result of of sacrificing somebody For example, what they seem to be doing in the episode if you remember He what he goes past all of the people that he cares about in order to get to the night king I was like, oh That would be the biggest payoff you can make for john snow He ignores all of the people he loves in order to do the right thing for the world. That's pretty great you know In terms of Where he's been going I'm just waiting for him to try to say like see it couldn't work for john snow, you know love versus duty Yeah He lets sam die. He looks right at him. He's not what do you mean? He knew sam would survive that Sam's armor is enormous. He's like a tank. He's like the warmonger machine Yeah, well, he can literally cry and zombies will stop going for him because they'll feel guilty How incredible is that he's chilling that night walker orgy means all good to go Itself his arc is about making difficult choices not accomplishing great feats. What what um, what? Um, it's not about accomplishing great feats.  He like He protected Castle black from a wildling attack. He took charge of it. He became the knight. Well, how can you say this? You're a bad man He just makes hard choices.  I was gonna say she's a she's a child Genocidist, I think it's all right that he stabs her to be honest And it was awesome. He unironically said we decide what's good Okay I just well sorry mcqueen And the lightning mcqueen Hey, let me let me throw them backs actually I should probably do some kind of cadillac quote there I'm fed The point is that doing the right thing isn't always totally awesome. All right, there you go Totally. Well, so did you guys know that? Um doing the right thing is totally awesome because jesus It's funny because like That line could probably be in a good video.  Why would that be something that he would just immediately go like whoo? This is the best thing ever while he looks at the corpses of his friends I just like he's saying it like this they had to be this way or something Isn't always totally awesome that kind of subversion is classic game of thrones classic game of thrones Getting something stupid happen is classic game of thrones I just want to do the test on him, you know the the luke and a nappy flying around the universe test There should be like how far do I have to go with subverting our expectations before you go? Hmm Maybe this is stupid We got there with him eventually The beginning ned's arc seemed to be going south to become hand of the king and solve the mystery of john erin's murder You don't need to tell me about how in season one something happened that people found surprising Okay Love it yet.  You can't just say oh, I didn't expect this their forts bad No, it's it as we've said time and time and time and time again ad nauseam It's not because we didn't get something that we didn't expect is that what we got was shit It didn't make any sense and it was inconsistent But it wasn't what you wanted though you can't deny that right?  So I guess if you want to so I can summarize and saying you just didn't want Well, that's what I'm gonna do. It's kind of amazing how you explain it to these people right to their face And they still they still think it's all about expecting and unexpected.   They were like yay. This is exactly what I wanted That john would sit the iron throne to the belief that jamie's ending would be more heroic Which leads us to question? Why did the audience have the expectations they did? And what is it about subverted expectations?   Hopefully it won't be popular.  Let's hear mal guys. Let's hear mal. Well, I was just gonna say like I'm so curious as to where he's gonna go with this because like where could this possibly go What if game of thrones was never meant to be popular? um All right Do it Throughout its eight-year run game of thrones became what can only be described as a landmark television drama Pushing the limits of what a show could accomplish in terms of scope and story And gaining popularity approaching that of star wars harry potter or the marvel cinematic universe Simply put the show reached mainstream status Which is complicated So for those who don't know game of thrones is based on this series of gritty fantasy novels by george rar martin Who'd previously been known for writing really weird niche sci-fi filled with telepathic hive minds body snatching And space catholicism the books as well as the early seasons trade out straightforward character arcs and cathartic victories For messy soul crushing realism I say this to point out that unlike star wars harry potter or the mcu martin's story was probably never meant to be a big crowd pleaser That's not what When you say crowd pleaser and popular you're gonna have to tell me what you mean now because There's so much wrong with everything he's just said. I'm just trying to figure out what I want to tackle first. Um so harry potter and star wars The idea that They are big crowd pleases because they don't have moments that are like really sad or bad in them Be like, you know, that's wrong Um Infinity war like part of what blew people away and that was you ended the movie To what is one of the biggest audiences ever like for a piece of media With a bunch of very popular superheroes being killed Kind of just like wow And uh Like we were talking about it when it first happened.  It's like, yeah Well, the plenty of people at that point did not believe that shit And um, you know, you can make the same argument for game of thrones because resurrection is in the universe um I just disagree dramatically with all of this and he's citing a part of the show that hasn't even happened in the books Um, I'm not gonna say it won't happen in the books, but people Definitely need more reasoning for why standards would do this to his daughter.     Huh? We're audiences happy when Dumbledore was killed in Harry Potter. That's like the end of one of them, right? The seventh one sixth one This is like it ends that way and Harry Potter is like super upset And we only find out later in another film that that had reasoning behind it That was you know, it's contextual for a lot of other things that we didn't know This is not like his whole point was that um What if it wasn't supposed to be popular? What if he was supposed to only have a niche audience that appreciate being Fucked over Basically like it was supposed to be like by people who hate stuff I've never heard the argument that what if it was never supposed to be popular as a defense for why it's bad uh, and And the way he developed it was not um People are saying spoilers You kidding me. Yeah spoiling Harry Potter. Give me a break I mean Snape kills Dumbledore was a goddamn meme of like, what was it like? I spoiled Star Wars too spoils the Luke is Leia's father.  Doesn't he? No way surely I know I shouldn't say that about anything But still trolling Mola kills Dumbledore rags Don't Oh This is eFap even maths gets spoiled here. Oh, yeah, we did talk about maths for like a good Uh, what if Game of Thrones was never meant to be good?  Yeah, even And just the idea was like see but that's the point the show was trying to piss you off or something like that All the way But with the growing popularity of the show Season six and seven saw Benyev and Weiss shift gears to a more mainstream narrative There were probably a lot of reasons for this some business were trying to end the show So they start converging all plotlines into one big chunky one by the end You know people loved it Yeah, we really thought it was very satisfying I rushed everything Fucking plotline get kidnapping a zombie and taking it to sociolattice that's like the stupidest thing that ever happened It's related others to do the challenges of adaptation But the story that once built up joffrey as a villain for four seasons only to have him poisoned by a relatively minor character became the show that gave Relatively minor character. It was little finger and a lot of thorns. Those are two very significant characters He said he does know that two people poisoned him, right? Not one He's all quit as a game of thrones superfan But the story that once built up joffrey as a villain for four seasons only to have him poisoned by a relatively minor character Became the show that gave every victory to the fan favorite character that most wanted So of course people expected john and danny to achieve their goals together. Well, they still gave i a A huge victory is how do you explain that? He had to kill the night king. He's like a huge fan favorite. It doesn't follow you there Of course, they expected jamie to save king's landing from surrey. They just watched the science not even There's a lot of different. Why do you think people would expect things? Why why would people have expectations? surely is it based on things they've seen before I just like the idea the next avengers movie. Tony stock's just in it and he's like people expected him to not be in this film See their expectations were subdued and that's why they didn't enjoy it.  Well, that's like, oh, they were Yeah He's going at this at the assumption that people just didn't expect it over and over again The thing is like he's completely going off the path of people who are, you know, who find things really You know out there and Uh I'm trying to come up with words and I can't Suddenly we were being given a steady stream of good triumphing over evil and people were eating it up So when we got to the messy georgia arm button conclusion, audiences were jarred by the Isn't that kind of So he's arguing like we had a bunch of good triumphing of evil But then we got our georgia arm I think this like isn't the very Good triumphing of evil is already counter to your assumption that everything is georgia armata in style Yeah, I thought it wasn't supposed to be popular because it wasn't like that Yeah, if we get two seasons of this stuff that we're not supposed to even be getting then shouldn't Isn't that an issue then is that the the show is clearly inconsistent with itself? I don't know. It seems like a really weird meandering point So when we got to the messy georgia armata in conclusion Audiences were jarred by the lack of cathartic victory No, hold up. What do you mean the messy georgia armata in conclusion? Just the fact that it was dark and grim so it's like a georgia armata in conclusion Just because of that. Yes, so why is he calling it that? I mean georgia armata, they were beyond the books at this point georgia had nothing to do with it at that point Well, we will find out but the narrative is that gave them all the plot points And that a lot of people assume that what happens at the end of season eight is what is going to happen in georgia's books It's just the the way they got there was rushed and stupid while he's probably going to develop it all Um Who knows what he'll do now because he's seen how fans have reacted to everything.  It happens Our armata in conclusion audiences were jarred by the lack of cathartic victory Thus came a flood of emotions from the fandom People were upset by the execution and content of what happened And it became hard to draw the line where one feeling ended and the other began So people stopped looking past flaws in the show's execution like they used to And instead fixated on them directly. Well, you have to remember. There's no repairing anymore because it's the end So say something really bad happens. You'd be like, well, maybe next season. We'll try and like redirect fix it up Nope So you got toy Brandon's king now for some reason He brought it all makes sense. He has the best story After all people don't need much justification for stuff like john is king now or danie's finally coming to westeros Like they do for jamie goes back to sursy We actually saw this already with stanice baratheon whose tragic ending received highly polarized reactions I thought you said the people weren't complaining about the earlier seasons. This is five. Yeah Hmm depending on whether or not viewers had high hopes for the character with his fans accused What about high hopes? I don't care if he dies as long as it makes sense Because the fact that he killed his daughter Go away the showrunner is an intentional character assassination And what happened with stanice is now happening on a much larger scale with much more popular characters While we can say that the tragedies of ned katlin and rob were better set up It's also important to recognize that thanks to online spoilers Most people knew those characters were doomed within a month of starting the show um I'm sorry. I just can't agree with that the the amount of people who are blown away by the red wedding despite it having been knowledgeable things you could find out about for like a decade was still insane and In what percentage of the Game of Thrones audience is going to actively go and look at leaks online or look at the books Yeah, they didn't want to they were they were like no, I want to see the show vision um I just like I can't agree with them because I was there I remember where I was when I saw that from It's that episode is season three episode nine is um YouTube was going nuts people just like this video is going up everywhere of compilations and reactions and just talking about How insane that was it wasn't well, you know, we saw it coming so it's Like people would set up cameras to record their family watching the episodes And it's like really fun shit to watch because it'll just be like no no no no no no no no no So those deaths didn't really betray people's idea of who those characters were Or shattered their expectations for what this story was Are you suggesting that if we read that Daenerys killed a bunch of innocent children, we'd be okay with it Like if it was in the books already Because we wouldn't expect we wouldn't have our expectations subverted in the movie It would just be subverted in a different place and we'd be saying oh no these leaks came out and there's no way they're real These are totally fake. There's no way they're actually doing this. It happened in the books. So you can't complain Knock it a wick Supposed to be Take the new star wars. Uh-oh The force awakens contains scenes which bait its audience to wonder about stuff like Rey's parents or Snoke's origins But since disney never had a big picture planned for those plot threads.  I don't know.    Everything comes back to tlg when it comes to talking about I don't know like opinions Criticism yeah always comes back to tlg But since disney never had a big picture plan for those plot threads ryan johnson decided they weren't narratively important and ditched them in the last Jedi This made sense for his vision But was a bummer for fan theorists who'd spent two years building their own head cannons around those questions Oh, man, due to its emphasis on calm down, maybe lisa dudu And mystery game of thrones actually engages in way more of this kind of theory baiting With a fan community that's built on piles of online theory discussions and it satisfied loads of theories like Who cold hands was it's pretty much confirmed or um the purpose behind a lot of the We had raven shit Maybe that's like more of a 5050, but um john getting resurrection. There's loads of stuff And it's just that a lot of other things that were set up that All the pieces were there just don't do a thing and you're like, oh okay I think that You have to have a reason for things to to arbitrarily not happen or happen It's really neat when we have reasons for things to happen. Just I feel like he's about to say Damn the robo dialers are really on you today For millions speculating about game of thrones was a key part of enjoying it Trust me as a guy who once wrote a weirdly popular fan theory about brand possessing john's dead body I know how it is. Huh. And while that speculation was key to bring together a dedicated He's like, I mean my theory got a lot of traction. Just like anyway, moving on with the point fandom It also led to fans taking an unwarranted Ah free folk it's sense of ownership over the story to get a sense of ownership Take this attitude where it's like Any time you you understand a character or at least you've you've Seen what their limits are how they choose things someone else is just like, oh, you think you own them No You have a best friend you're probably going to be very aware of what they will and will not do and how they will Or will not react to things Same thing But once we get enough information about a character, we're certain that they will or will not do certain things And when they do the opposite we get pissed Even deeper into it various fan communities even develop vastly different head cannons and would ridicule each other over their wildly different And as it turns out equally incorrect expectations So people have difficulty accepting that john's parentage is meant to subvert the secret lineage trope revealing Or accepting that I'm around there. I'm kind of waiting for him to make more of a point. So people have difficulty He's he's he's completely He's completely straight from the points that everyone else is making and it just seems like this is It's entirely pointless to even respond to anything you're saying because he's not even addressing anything anybody's saying so and He about to like say like oh it's subverted your expectation that john's lineage being a huge reveal isn't actually of any importance I should be like, uh Like they put all this effort into hiding it. It's a secret that starts as early as john was born Got ties to like a huge amount of significant characters It allows him to have the primary take on on the throne Like it it's just like it's like, yeah, you thought it would be important was not and just like wow That's it. That's all you got. It's a very post-talk because they could have absolutely had it be massively important and then you'd be sitting here being like Do you see it was set up?   That's all it did Yeah That john's parentage is meant to subvert the secret lineage trope revealing it to be a burden rather than a solution Or accepting that the night king being defeated before the end Is meant to reframe the dark lord trope from being an external evil to an internal consequence of the pursuit of power But it wasn't that was completely but the white workers were completely external to everything happening. That was What? They were so external in fact that they were wiped out and nobody really noticed Nobody cared It was just a quick side thing and then they went off to sursey And he he's uh summing all these like events and things up in the story very like with what I would call flowery language and um Subverting tropes. He's not talking about any of the mechanics Just sort of like addressing it. Yeah, it's all flowery themy tropey Like it because if he was here, I'd just be like can we start stop on one of those Let's go over this one. You said all this stuff. Let's see how you got there and then Feel the contradictive information. They're like, yeah, but it's the beautiful ideas. You guys aren't considering the beautiful ideas Accepting that jamey's story is an exploration of the limits of redemption arcs But we also have to bear in mind that martin came up with this stuff.  Let me get that sentence again though came up with this stuff in the 90s Well before the internet had developed into what it is today So we can't blame him for not expecting fans to come to the conclusions that they did I'm blaming for A little bit soupy to me. I'm having a lot of trouble trying to retain and repeat it Yeah, he's like he's trying to say like oh because people's fan theories weren't confirmed then they're mad at Georgia or martin for it. It's like dude. Where are you going? I mean he's he's he spent a long time trying to repeat the point that you just didn't get what you wanted, okay Like oh what it is stop saying But it's fan entitlement that causes literally 100 percent of misunderstanding being blamed on the writers Wow, literally 100 percent. It's all fan entitlement What if what at the right? Let me like what if the writers are actually shit? I'm trying to like so he said 100 percent of misunderstandings of fan entitlement Easy saying that a misunderstanding can never be on the writer Is it possible for a writer to misunderstand their own character over the course of eight years? Nope Okay, you just don't know that you you don't know writing like writers do so no Like man up get him off the pedestal for fuck's sake. Yeah, they wrote it doesn't mean they're gods Yeah, what if a different like, you know, he literally said the Daenerys kind of forgot about the iron fleet. How do you do that? Even though it was announced in the same episode It's And you have this guy being like, you know, hey, he wrote the character.  It's basically the most popular meme about d&d right now. So there you go Danny wasn't listening Point are most people accepting that they might have been wrong about anything This is because people have projected their own ideas where the story was headed onto the world and characters And interpreted everything based on those expectations Basically, I'm saying that people tend to forgive a story that's sloppily done If it gives them what they want. Yeah, you said that already And I I don't necessarily disagree with the idea that people will forgive sloppy right and if their characters Still behave the way they expect them to Yeah, but that's not what happened in season eight at all and I know that he knows that I'm but um The fundamental he's missing here is that there was a hell of a lot of criticism of the previous seasons Still not like people ignored these problems But those same people get hyper critical if a story subverts their expectations in a way that's upsetting So I guess his point is That if they're both sloppy right both approaches if one of them is what was expected It's okay if one of them was not what it was expected then it's not okay Sometimes people are really irritated with with seeing something that they expected would happen They're all like oh boring. I saw this coming a mile away. Yeah And it's just uh, it's so much more complicated than he's making it sound Tube call out I'm sure a lot of you have seen think stories how Game of Thrones should have ended In this video think story recites his fan fiction of how the story should have played out Abandoning everything subversive and instead just playing out all the most popular fan theories abandoning everything subversive. It's got to be subversive It's so insane I'd like the idea that you know Lord the rigs did end as tizmy as we were saying earlier And then this guy says, you know how it should have ended we should have had Frodo Like reaching the right at the end of the journey and he's very conflicted But he realizes that he's gonna become something like golem if he doesn't Commit to the action with support from sam. We have aragorn leading the remainder of all of men and warriors Including all of the characters we come to love directly into the black gate to distract sarron and um, you know Whatever else and then he's just like Don't you isn't that all obvious though? Aragorn being heroic Frodo dropping a ring into the volcano. It's like, can you not try and think outside the box just a little bit? And this is why I think we've said this before but it's like Jesus christ I'm in the mood for some stories that are predictable.  Yeah, like it's kind of cool being rewarded for paying attention. It's really neat like Boramea tried to take the ring off Frodo, which is pretty expected considering how tizmy has been about the ring this whole time Why can you subvert us and have him just be an angelic creature that flies to the volcano? I'd have been way better Shitty arguments You know jamey kills cersei brand gets stuck in the night king's memories Don't think that a lot of viewers really thought that was gonna happen That's much more of a critical thinking like Because the biggest thing people had for this was how they look kind of similar facial structure-wise like oh Going from there. What else can we draw from it? What I mean, he highlights all these different fan theories And he's like they were all conflicting and they were all wrong and it's like yeah, you're right. They were all wrong Nobody predicted the denarius was gonna kill hundreds of thousands of innocent people You know why Why do you think nobody made that prediction? Like I do you know why Because nobody appreciates good storytelling. That's why Nobody appreciates it playing out all the most popular fan theories Jamie kills cersei brand gets stuck in the night king's memories John makes the big sacrifice and is remembered as a hero king And queen danny carries forward his legacy and of course this video was wildly popular Even though it ditches the tough questions martin asks about war and power And just offers a conformist fanfiction about heroes saving the world from still a hell of a lot better than what we got Even if it was conformist What does that even mean it conforms to realities of the scripts? I don't know Yeah conforms to consistency we can conform as from ice dance So thanks story. Thank you for being such a perfect example of mediocrity Oh Man, okay Wonder if I wonder if think stories seen this video I wonder How many views does this video have or better. Yeah, what's the like dislike ratio? Like this isn't too bad. It's like seven to three if you will And the views there's only four thousand views on this video itself. Um, and we're about one more covering. Yes. Yeah Oh a lot of people are very, um Very in favor of the video from the comment section from what I'm seeing I think that people would have sought this one out. I guess if they were Feeling the season 8 was getting too much get thrown at it Um, or it may be been recommended. I don't know. I don't know. I just find it amusing that he's calling someone mediocre I just wanted to want to say that All right.  Yeah, we're only just now getting in game and they're all like, oh, yeah, it gets lots of flak Yeah, let me I'm gonna roll him back. I just want to see how he got there Like I enjoyed endgame as much as the next guy, but not everything has to be endgame I don't know what that means because it's divisive There's so many whatever his comparison is gonna be it's gonna be inaccurate like this There's so many reasons why this is a good comparison Endgame pissed off a shit ton of people It's We're going with this buddy The time travel not every story has to please the mainstream It didn't please the mainstream It split the mainstream Like a lot of people loved it, but there's a shit ton of people who didn't That's not what game of thrones was ever supposed to be In a world where stories so often fail due to corporate greed or a lack of creativity Or pandering too hard to a particular demographic Game of Thrones is actually being punished for the opposite It's being punished for keeping through the artistic vision of its author The artistic vision of just It doesn't matter what it is Okay Man is like Do these people just want stories that make no sense all the time that are so nonsensical where there's no Progression where there's no logical conclusions or results. It is impossible to guess what will happen next Well, we already got it if anything it well if it's if anything It's a quality of a story if you can somewhat reliably kind of see what's gonna happen. Yeah, I agree um Especially if you have like multiple things that could happen or things that can happen that you hadn't considered because you didn't put pieces together That were there all these different ways of doing it, but uh, he's already said it It's the it's the ideas the theme just the fact that it's a like he just said asking questions Execution is irrelevant And I just like I think that defeats the entire point If you're if your entire media is built on a baseline question such as what does it mean to be human? um everything you build is an attempt to translate that message in a Subtextual way not just you know what fuck it. It doesn't matter what I put on top of all of it As long as you can see that bit at the bottom. That was my goal the whole time. Okay. We good.  Oh, the the answer is yes But what happens if he's wrong? Okay, so I've made some harsh claims I've said that a lot of people's reactions are being driven by their attachment to an incorrect idea of what the story was supposed to be As in I believe the story was always going to have jamie choose to die with sursey Danny burn king's landing Chosen as king, you know saying Danny burns king's landing. There's many different ways that sentence can be satisfied And well the one we got was possibly the very worst So, uh, like if you told me, do you think she'll burn king's landing? I've been like, yeah, maybe Um, do you think she'll kill everyone there? I'd be like, no Was always gonna have jamie choose to die with sursey. Danny burn king's landing John eggs out to the night's watch and brand chosen as king Who would have thought he would be exiled to the night's watch? It's like It's no sense It's just after all this. Okay, just go back to your day job There is no night's watch anymore. The north isn't even connected to the seven kingdoms grayway Was not even gonna stay in westeros. None of it makes any sense It's such a disaster The story martin was always telling and for the most part anything else would have been untrue to it But what if I'm wrong wrong about what's driving people's anger or wrong about the story Very wrong Martin is telling or wrong about what's good What about everyone else? All the other people I think they know what's good Though my channel has become most widely known for predicting that brand would be king I have to admit that over the years I've had a ton of theories and most of them ended up being wrong Yet every time I was so sure that I'd figure things out That I knew what was good and what the story I bet you didn't I bet you didn't predict the brand would be the king because he has the best story He's got the best chair.  Well, that's good introspection Yeah, man, it's just I'm swaying. He's it feels like a roundabout way of being like we all have our opinions. Okay I'll be right. I think I've always had to work on actually. Could you pause it here?  I feel like he's Burst into his house like With a gun they were like this is a robbery. He's like give me a sec He didn't Just one second. Hold on a sec. There's there's some tiz me in my house There's something there there my computer did a tiz me. So I had to untiz him it We were successful. I mean rejoin. I was successful. Excellent. Yeah Yeah Welcome to watch together Fun and oh too is is the video up for you? Um, I think it's loading a little too certain that I'm right about things and that's something that I've always had to I will go ahead and Reload the page Yep Wonderful, this story was supposed to be Truth is I've always been a little too certain that I'm right about things And that's something that I've always had to work on and maybe so to a lot of us And if you notice that was a big what a pair of lines Game of thrones there. What a pair of lines Well, what's wrong with the rags? Do you disagree? Oh, no, it's great. I agree with it all. It's amazing They went together and everything there was a period at the end. It was it was perfect It was poetry in a way. It was just what I expected It and that's something that I've always had to work on and maybe so to a lot of us And if you notice that was a big part of the message of game of thrones there at the end That maybe in the process of being so certain that you know, what's good You aren't doing it. I'm just like game of thrones. I'm just like the game of thrones theme. Aren't I so good? I'm so right because I'm just like game of thrones. Does this sound familiar to anyone The other movie where people are like, you know People are judging tlj for its failures When the theme of the movie Was the failure is the best teacher. Don't just Don't just see And good people like this movie. So please be good Like I said this before it's a meme that we hate themes And that they can take it seriously sometimes the people on the the team of themes There are the the only thing that matters But like these kinds of arguments are why we get so bored with the word.   Maybe you're wrong Thanks. I'm wrong about what I wanted like what it was like. This is this has been You know quite a nothing video Like I was kind of hoping for a little bit more than this but it's mainly just literal arguments from themes Yep I mean Does this kind of backlash really benefit anyone? Yeah Yeah future writers Yeah, we don't make shitty stories that don't make sense And don't rush them to completion.  There's like What 20 dudes In the middle of a field and some dragons hanging out in the back and midgets up front What is this? What what what? Oh, this is the one I complained about.   Um The So like the whole Is the backlash helping anyone? It's just like so backlash is only ever gonna happen If it can help at least one person is that is that how it develops? Um, your goal has to be um An interest of change for the better. Yes. It's like Well, yeah, we we want better writing. Is that good enough? Are we gonna get it if we don't make our position known that we think this is terrible? Do we just shut up and hope that we gamble and get good writing? And you know, you might be like, oh, it's a bit dramatic.  It's like, I don't know There's probably some people out there who got to do some critical thinking about how important it is to have characters be consistent Have plot lines make sense have wheel building that actually matters Uh Such a like petty little moment of just like stopping bid To stop it anyone just like no, probably not I think this need to direct all of our anger at a particular person when we feel let down Tends to miss the bigger picture with game of thrones It's been often vice even though there are much bigger structural issues caused by them As the rights is a story Okay with adapting a song of ice and fire into a television format It's when they stopped adapting it that the problems were becoming huge. It's like What are you talking about? I mean, georgia r martin himself Splits the story in half for books four and five right a strategy Which would have been impossible to do with a television show. Also. He throws in a bunch more characters possible. Why would that be impossible? Yeah, why would that be impossible? Has he seen the prestige or memento? films known for the out-of-order structure I don't know Impossible nope A strategy which would have been impossible to do with a television show Also, he throws in a bunch more characters and he's spent the last eight years writing the sixth book your point Fucking they stopped adapting well earlier than that one so Mmm Meanwhile dnd had to not only condense the story but do it in a fraction of the time So all he's doing right now is trying to reason why it makes sense that it's bad, which doesn't address the point It's which is that it's bad It's like, I don't care whether or not like if you tell me the director had one leg.  Like what do we just say? Like I Doesn't change what it is Time people call them out on rushing the story, but they went one season beyond their initial plan Yeah, which was several seasons below both what hbo wanted and what georgia rr martin wanted So don't even go there. They were always intending to use this as a stepping stone Uh and spent an entire two years on the final six episodes Which is insane that they spent two years on this. How do you spend two years on this? If anything that just Condemns the point they had all the if anything it would be like a defense to say man, they were super rushed They had like no time they ran out of funding They had some legal issues with a copyright thing and a lawsuit or something Don't say they had all the time in the world. It's tons of time all the time They could have taken all of this time They were given plenty of time instead they spent it on a budget for burning children. So Still You gotta get it right. You know, you gotta get the bones right Yeah, um, I like the idea by the way the He's saying this and there's like a producer in the background And when he says like they took an extra year writing this and the producer starts to do like the cut it out motion like Don't That's a lie They made mistakes. Yes, but they did so because they had a hard game of thrones writing is very hard Therefore if you do shit, it's okay like How do you think this wits wicks out in the olympics? Hey, man Be be in the fastest guy in the world and the race is hard. Can I just get the gold anyway?  What does the gold mean if everyone gets it?  Oh people saying gadelb. That's true back here again Huh people saying gadelb. What can I what should I write about this? Like just the word hard to write things So when they're bad it's hard to write things It's okay That's just good enough as it is right there. It's hard to write things. Yeah, that's okay P. S. Poop p. S. Poop did so because they had a hard job Alternatively with the last jedi everyone's villain was ryan johnson despite there being much crazy How people are picking the writers as the people who are responsible for the writing What universe are people coming to this conclusion? I don't know how they go for Exactly, obviously the costume designers. They're the ones. Oh, okay.  It's like I do it and now with my magical costume cloak.  This this image makes ryan johnson look way better Oh, he's shitting on fan theories. Cool Much bigger structural issues with the way disney brought back star wars Yet the backlash over the last jedi didn't push disney to re-examine the broader problems with their trilogy What do you mean?  Like what a pathway could have embedded like do you mean can we even count at this point? He's just wrong Fucking people made re-edits of the films trying to direct them in better Directions he brought back star wars yet the backlash over the last jedi Didn't push disney to re-examine the broader problems with their trilogy. It just yeah, that's the problem That's a problem and plus like does he Does he know that we haven't seen episode nine yet. What if they Suddenly try to backtrack on like a whole lot of character developments that sucked and try to save them later Like does he know that that's what they're doing because of the fan backlash? No movie's not out yet I was just reading this so it's like a post celebrating getting rid of cali-marie tran from instagram I don't really get it Yeah, I don't Like if I could speak to this person would be like, what do you think has been achieved? Like, what does that change? Yeah, what did you do here? Ever since the good old days of raiding the comments of star wars books from 2014 Orchestrating the spoiler g hard of 2015 Never heard of it.  Yeah, why would they yeah carry along with it Push them back to jj abram's whose idea of a star wars movie was just a retelling of a new hope Except ultimately fan backlash didn't stop the milking of star wars So what? So just smile and be glad that they're doing just consume products Just consume product and then get happy for next product. What is your Why is he advocating for people to not feel?  It's boring. Get cold Geez ultimately fan backlash didn't stop the milking of star wars.  I'm sure it had nothing to like i'm sure they didn't lose any sales Thanks to the last jedi. I'm sure it had nothing to do that I'm sure the fact that people try to organize a boycott didn't have any effect whatsoever For the fact that they reshot the shit out of it because they were concerned about the content They wanted people to like it had nothing to do with it I'm sure the fact that bob iger announced that disney we're gonna stop releasing star wars films too hastily after that debacle None of this has anything to do with fan backlash or fans choosing not to watch the films. None of it does It doesn't get anything done. This guy said it To stop it stop hating things guys just like things much better consume product.  It's the market. It's like are you daft? Who do you think is the market? How do you think the market is just soulless robots existing in the ether controlled by satellites in outer space There's whole other species of glumps. There's just they control the market toads. They're like, how man The strings of media. I hope the glumps continue to encourage star wars movies. I don't see more shadows What is this?  What do you mean? This is kind of an obvious statement, but television and film is largely driven by the market And so what gets made will typically be what can reliably turn a profit On account of just how much goes into shows and movies today Studios avoid taking risks leading to our current age of remakes reboots and adaptations. I don't have to take risks No, no, don't don't make a dichotomy between good stories and like not taking risks Mm-hmm. Well, they're not they're not even You can tell a good story that people like and at the same time not take risks I refuse to agree the Logan wasn't risky The Deadpool wasn't risky and the infinity walls ending wasn't risky. Those things are all risky They don't know how to react to all of that. Yeah, they don't know how much Yeah, Joker was really risky rated art and like Uh Yeah, I just just essentially bolster what rags said. It's like we have we're talking about consistent and consistent And he's now labeling them risky and non-risky. You're like, no, no, that's two. There's a different thing. Stop it risky I don't even like the the idea that it's like a film isn't good unless it's risky or something Like it's not gonna be fun. You end up with all of these franchises You want everything to be homogenous in in hollywood? No, so encourage things like the last jedi Which is like the peak of hollywood corporate slop being pooped out of a space cow like how do you How do you see that word as breaking the mold being risky? Is it literally just because people didn't like it? Is that how it's risky? It was risky. I'll give him that it was absolute nonsense And I don't know who the hell would have thought that it was a good idea, but plenty of people did apparently When we punish stories that try to be subversive, we're implicitly telling studios to keep No, it's like this is the whole thing if It's like he's conflating so many things here And he's just lumping them together and he's making connections that just don't exist Like oh you want good things. Well studios want to play it safe. So they have to be subversive. What? Like how like how do you think?  I'm gonna say that because you know we need to be alive, but That's mainly the issue we're trying to address not not it being subversive Again, there's another way to kind of want to strike from their language like you're not allowed to have that one now either stop it You're ruining it You're ruining words playing it safe So for better or worse, I appreciate when people have the courage to try something different Uh, it's not the problem that we had No, we we could just test this we're like, okay, so come watch my movie. It's about I recorded a man pooping for two hours aggressively It was stuck in sideways. He he's a big meat eater. It's just Oh man, it's you have to get a plunger at one point. It's gross, but it's subversive Yeah, you had to dislodge it. Yeah, it's it was just very It it ends with him's like almost getting under the door burst open.  I'm like, oh It's just wings of redemption redemption just taking the biggest wings I thought he was just like We a wings of redemption is now a poop. It's like a euphemism. That's why we refer to it. He was taking a wings of redemption Well out there somewhere in the world. There is a toilet whose job it is Is to be in wings of redemption Oh This ain't no sorority toilet That's a sympathetic character It's the same thing we've we've done with so many people as well But you just be like there are no deeper themes of a man pooping on someone. I'm like, ah Ah, you see the toilet is golden in this and the man himself is this No, actually the man is golden. The toilet is all ragged and oily or scratched and dirty It represents the high class pooping on the low class Supposed to try and extend to the idea That a hero is needed for the low class a man with a gun who shoots the high class while it's pooping. It's very deep You don't understand it Also subversive. That's why you didn't like it. It didn't go the way you wanted I would It's commentary on the meat industry. You don't even have to make an argument at that point. You can just rattle it all off We need more weird I think you're making a terrible mistake weird The freedom to make my own mistakes was all I ever wanted So you you agree that the writers made a mistake. Okay. That's all we really have to yeah, okay They were always free to make mistakes. They have full control of the writing. What the hell do you think that we thought We wanted to control it We need more like this by the way they made mistakes like what it would literally I would say we need less mistakes Yeah, and I would take literally any fan any fan at random and have them rewrite season 8 and I'm almost certain it would be better Just just even a child who shouldn't have been watching it Like I just I don't even care it would be better Which brings me back to the petition and maybe my most controversial point in a recent interview actor Nikolai Kosterwaldo joked that the final season of game of thrones would be remade Once the million people who signed the petition could all agree on an ending And while he makes a great point about how it's impossible to appease every they probably fucking could They probably you know if they actually yeah, if they actually put their heads together and there was a Real group effort for it. You probably could actually come up with yeah one ending that was agreed upon Yeah, and if we if we're accounting for no trolls like nobody is who's saying no just for the sake of it And then like generalized storylines that can all be voted on you probably get one that the million people were like Yeah, okay, and and especially if we're going to go with Prefer it over what they got like we'll we'll we'll get it pretty easily actually probably like first try Yep, John goes on the throne and Danny goes to Baskin Robbins the end Yeah, literally that sounds better. Just get anybody to do action goes to the throne I do want to challenge this point just a little bit Because I actually think it would have been easy to make an ending that was better received than the one we got Yeah, no, shit, which is actually why david benioff and db weiss deserve some credit It would have been easy for them to abandon martin's vision and do a Martin's vision a lot of guts.  Seriously pouring oil over yourself and jumping into a volcano. It takes a lot of guts You need to appreciate that I think the most desperate arguments ever other than fairness.  Like it is interesting This is reminiscent of all the shit we've been through with tlj This is the same kind of You could say the exact same thing about like mass murderers and pedarast is like, yeah, it takes a lot of guts to do that Yeah, I guess Yeah, I guess A lot of g'dalb. What is he at? Let's we should come back on that. Um What do they want me to g'dalb exactly though because the comment he's got on the screen I'd probably want to turn into no, what he what he said Vocally, I think Maybe what I said about the oily volcano No, no, no What this what the dude said, what did he say? Uh, just rewind. All right, then the one we got Which is actually why david benioff and db weiss deserve some credit It would have been easy for them to abandon martin's vision and do a crowd-pleasing ending that people were expecting Have john sword fight the night king.  Yes, not necessarily. This is the problem Anything at this point is better. Oh, no, that's true But he's picking like singular endings as if the he's already highlighted how fans had like a bazillion conflicting different endings Just none of them were terrible compared to what we got And so like I'm just an advocate for like just have it make sense. It doesn't necessarily have to be all of these very rigid things but like Some things you should probably avoid I can at least recommend that He's saying anything that wasn't predictable was bad So well, it's funny enough. That's what major lee said about tlj if you remember That um anything that's pretty cool is bad, but he predicted that raised parents with nobody And he like pats himself on the back for it even though he said that being able to predict any of it would be a sign of like cool writing people's videos constant Rough to watch Has this guy said once that he enjoys season eight or is he more so trying to Dog dog pile here. I don't know actually anything about enjoying it I'm not actually sure of what his take on season eight is I think his main the main vibe.  I'm just like i'm picturing like a painter trying to do a really realistic drawing that some guy just starts You know wide brush splattering everything all over it and he's like in fairness It was more risky and it was harder to pull off and i'm just like neither of those things neither of them Making shit up I wanted to justify How it was hard to write that danny killed everyone sounds pretty simple to me actually Sort of fan-servicing wish fulfillment is pretty much exactly what they wrote for battle of the bastards and it received widespread acclaim But it wasn't actually good So how does he explain stuff like the red wedding in ned stock? He doesn't that's okay. Let me have a look at um He said 9.8 for that The thing if he's right and if he's right then the red wedding should have at least a relatively low rating, right? Listen, you're so focused on hard data and numbers and reality But you need to let go of all that. Well, I know reality is bad. I know that get it reality or bad Nothing ever worked well because of paying attention to reality. I get it. You know, it's a reality hitler So this is weird, right? I don't know. I don't want to say that like like I'm just presenting this probably wrong This is this is doctored information. This is this is edited probably but I'll read it out So the reigns of castamere the red wedding the episode Got a 9.9 on imdb, which is impossibly hard to get as a right now that can't Obviously doctored it was reverse room about 85,000 review scores Averaged out to 9.9 You know The heroes didn't exactly win in that episode and yet the fans enjoyed it. I don't understand What could have happened? Remind me, which are the seasons where they were paying close attention to adapting the books one through one through four Oh, and which which one was which season was this from three? huh Where did the fans feel like the seasons went insane the first time season five? Oh It's almost like a lot of this is tied to the writing quality rather than what the fuck's happening in general Tim's of heroes winning and bad guys losing I just I don't know how you he would react to all of this and I just think like paying attention Wide spread of claim Seriously people the last two episodes of season six are not well written People just liked watching the heroes win.  I respect dnd for trying Stop saying that I respect them for you know, I would even necessarily uh disagree, but I don't I'm not convinced they tried I don't have evidence for this They took risks and made it more I don't I don't feel like we have Indications that they tried in terms of writing and if you're gonna reference stuff like I don't know. It's like the acting. I'd be like, yeah, we've got plenty of evidence costume design set design special effects Like yeah, there's lots of evidence. It's like the writing We only ever have to go on with writing is what what's being written. Obviously It's pretty bad. I don't know what else. I don't know what you're getting this from dnd for trying For doing a final season that took big risks saying that I think it was great No, but it was ambitious and to me that's more important. Do you keep saying that? It's amazing No, it wasn't great, but Look some damn risks. That's what it did Of course I'm just You can just do this while you're sitting on the the toilet one day make some courage I would have done differently characters. I don't think we're handled well and valid criticisms to make But we should consider that for everything the showrunners might have gotten wrong There were probably a ton of things we had wrong too. Oh my god For everything they got wrong we got stuff wrong. What does that even mean?  And instead of obsessing over plot holes Maybe our energy would be better spent trying to reach a better understanding And appreciating that despite being really flawed the ending we got was genuine not focus grouped or test marketed What do you know that? And why does that mean just automatically to be appreciated like holy shit you could have test marketed Group controlled things that end up being great I mean, isn't the whole point that like something like star wars was assumed to be kind of like a Potential money dump and though they should be really careful and then it just blew everyone away Yeah They didn't expect it to be popular We've got full circle. What do you describe it as real?  That's one of our thingy words.  Yeah, give me a translation because I don't think you're using it for what I assume it meant not focus grouped or test marketed But an attempt to explore some tough question. Hey rags. You just described the story as genuine Genuine No, what does it mean by that? That was it. It's just what do you mean this No, we need some that doesn't make sense. I know you don't I No, the story is not lying. Okay I think it's lying. There's no way this stuff happened All right, then we'll carry on I will I will let you listen to yourself better spent trying to reach a better understanding And appreciating that despite being really flawed the ending we got was genuine Not focus grouped or test marketed But an attempt to explore some tough questions about who we are If you say so Talk questions about who we are Like that it leaves everyone bewildered It's like I'm so good. What do you mean?  Like where did this come from? Questions about who we are like what? You should have had a section maybe about introspection about us that was a bit more fleshed out than just earlier. He said something about how um We might be wrong without realizing it. I think in relation to Daenerys choices Like that's kind of one-ish thing, but this this felt like you just pulled it out of your ass He asked us questions that made about ourselves question are about selves beautiful Which is why We should forgive Game of Thrones No, I can't What does that even mean? Forgive a show? Like you mean forgive D&D? What is she wearing? What is that? What is that chain attached to? Honk ring What is it attached to? What does it go down to? Oh nothing. It's just it just hangs there Oh, what is this? What is that? It's just go nuts think of what it could mean. She used to be a prisoner. She's broken free. It's not like a broach or anything It's not securing a cloak to her. It's kind of like think of it as a chain that's kind of broken And she still wears it to represent her past of being a prisoner It's a symbol of our insecurity to remind me of being a prisoner. I constantly wear this chain around my neck I don't even know dude.  What is that?  Tell anyone how to feel I can't suggest that we also be self critical Though I can't necessarily tell people what I do this Christmas music We did it We should forgive game of thrones Although I can't tell anyone how to feel the way that music comes in.  I can't tell you how to feel. It's like pretty much guiding us into saying only It's only that old appeal one way. Can you say we're overreacting? Isn't that something you actually said? Meaning our feelings are not the way they should be the whole point. Yeah You lied to me video maker. I trusted you lie. You lie to me Yeah, just I can't help but assume the despot should know it's right hardcore as well But the way that music cuts in it's it's so good. Very odd and it's a christmas carol Like we tried so weird We tried to make deliberate choices like this when making gadel 2 like musical choices that were just bad Like the way it cuts in or changes Randomly joy to the world This is what i'm trying to say like i'm gonna take this this is happening Randomly play joy to the world To the world And that's why we should forgive game of thrones on the cover of the rolling stone And say You should forgive max. I don't know whatever topic i'm I'll be great We should forgive destiny 2 I can't suggest that we also be self critical Though I can't necessarily tell people what ideals to live by I do suggest we try to understand the ideals present in the media we consume And then make a choice whether or not to apply those messages in our own lives And heaven and nature sing It's so distracting Because people were people surely watch this and they're like wait, it's like this music. I know it. Oh, yeah christmas carol um Couldn't you have established some of these lessons and talked about them in more detail about why this It's like I really am struggling to empathize with people who really just they only want the idea present and that's it They just do not care about anything else. It's like come on You're not real. Are you? You do care about how it manifests in the thing, right? Please tell me you care Like no yoda said it. He said the failures of best teacher is great but Surely more to it than that And then brand looked at the camera in the final scene and said god bless us everyone Oh us to choose what we like and what we can forgive Maybe we owe it to ourselves when our favorite stories let us down To remember all of the things that made them our favorite stories. Oh my god It's actually christmas music this I can't get over this.    I can't walk on it Unbelievable like this is some next level. Just surprised me if I hate everything's video. He's like It's about hope Remember all of the things that need to talk just take over Go marriage What's happening this clip Why is this here?  Oh my god. That's what I was about to say Christmas lettering here christmas music got carol playing in the background This came out on just just so we're sure this came out on in august Okay, I have no idea why there's the christmas theme here All you need now is the yule log in the background and some little yellow sparkles Angels flying down It's not as far away from christmas as possible.  It's a final video for the year.  That was beautiful. Yeah baffling Um, yeah, it was it really was great I was made aware by the way that um You know birds of prey The movie is coming out with the harley quinn. Yeah. Yeah, um This is a screenshot. So don't don't know if true But i'm going to assume that they wouldn't have posted it unless it was true But uma grega said the film is going to tackle true misogyny like True misogyny You just i'm fine that picture again like making an all-female cast just to imply that you have to cast females in groups because they can't do it alongside men or I don't even know what that means.  Maybe you guys see that trailer should have killed the night king I haven't seen the trailer. No, I haven't not looked at a trailer yet Could not care less Yeah, it sounds um, I guess Got so many notifications on twitter as well. Oh my goodness I don't know any memes Yes I need you guys got to talk amongst yourselves. You want me to collect these memes? Yes, all right. Well, but what what do you want for Christmas this year? Oh, man, I just want my two front teeth That's what they say. All right. All right, then. Go off family and stuff. Hey, I'm high It's doing a terrible job. I want hall wheels. Give me a hall wheels Give me a hall wheels Uh Got christmas discussions. It's not even we should be talking about what do you want for halloween? What do you want for halloween this year little timmy? Well, what what do you want for sorry? What do you want for halloween this year? Because i'm the christmas No, i'm the halloween skeleton Claws how that works. Claws.  No, i'm the spooky skeleton.    It's like people are memeing about that It's hard to collect them all in real time Many memes many memes Oh, that was adorable These are wonderful Hey, just give me give me some more time. All right. I demand that you Talk about a movie you saw that wasn't a spoiler Is there any games coming out this month that you're looking forward to reg is? um No, uh, not really. I don't keep up with a lot of new stuff. I know I've got to do reviews for a game of Gears of war game and uh game game of gears and um code vein And resistances frutile and some other stuff So that'll probably be what I work on later on today this is to game of gears five All right, by the way, this is the quote apparently so um years of throne. This is from I think this is from illa mcgregor. What interested me with bids of pray is that it's a feminist film It is very finely written. It is in the script a true look It is in the script a true look on the on the misogyny Is this pretty what he said on the misogyny? And I think we the man need that we need to be more aware of how we behave with the opposite sex We need to be taught to change Um, I'll read the rest of the sack. I was trying to get caught to change I I'll have you know that I behave very well around the opposite sex And I definitely do not intend on changing anytime soon That's the problem right now. You're part of the problem.   Or do you think it's a little bit more complex than that? Do you think it's just that simple?    There's there's another bit Sorry, i'm i'm gonna say sorry ahead of time But in the dialogues of birds of prey, there is always an illusion to everyday misogyny Those things that we say as man. We don't even realize Like mansplaining All this is in the script All of this is in the script in a very subtle way. I found that brilliant Oh, no the terror of mansplaining and I bet there's gonna be a man spreader in there as well with his legs a gape Why would they do that? I can't imagine How will these women survive being mansplained too? So is that he's lost the high ground. Yes That is funny What can you do I suppose somebody asked, okay, who did you and rape? Give me two Guys like overcompensating Oh, man, I'm almost gonna need to tell a good story Too hard can't have good stories because they're scary and they'll make people kill each other It's uh, it's a true very much Rapist and murderers Okay, you guys ready for memes now Let's do it. I would love to see some memes. These are some halloweeny memes Love them. Not that they're kind of halloween, but that's how it works now Um, I think you'll guys like this one as a beginning if you will Oh, no I love that throne I mean, I'd watch the show if if wings are a death was that stock. That'd be great This meme is from earlier in the stream. It's still wonderful Saved it from the bad winds Yeah, like North Carolina, I don't like the implication that I would she on racks. That's ridiculous Yeah, that's uh, I got my eye I got my eye on you You know well written structured original joke. I'm just like that you have I love mad flag That was so funny your reaction. I thought the flag was goofy, but then you saw it and then It became contagious. I don't believe it's real Why would anyone have a flag like that? It's uh, e-fat movies for dube. I like I like this represen