Uber different? Well, there's a lot of things that make it different. Well, it's the same fight as Uber, right? So DoorDash is saying, Hey, we just, you know, ask people if they want us to get stuff and we get it for them. We're not implying a relationship with these restaurants, but in and out is saying, well, but people don't necessarily realize that and that's not okay. You can't use our logo. You can't use a fake logo. We don't want you doing this. But I, I think there should be a way for DoorDash to say, if you would like us to go order a burger for you and bring it to you and pay us to do that, you should be able to do that. You should be able to say where you want us to get it. There should be a way for you to do that, making it clear that in and out is not necessarily involved or approving of that, but you're free to do it. It sounds to me like they pulled it down and complied out of a good PR move to show, you know, hey, we're... Well, they pulled down the logo, but then they put the ordering mechanism back up with a fake logo and now in and out suing them. See, and I feel like them suing after that fact is, I don't think they win that suit. I don't know how they... I don't know. It'll be interesting. Yeah. If it's a fake logo, yes. If they're pretending to be something, they're not. But if they're just, isn't it kind of open domain to say, like if you're on a, I don't know, can't you just say...  It is called this. Yeah. It's not like you can, it's not like using NFL names in your football game without permission, which you can do. You can use... Well, no, not in your game. You can do it in fantasy sports because you're talking about facts. You can't do it in a game because you're using likeness. You're using likenesses and you're creating an experience based on that. So, yeah, I don't know. I have no lawyer, obviously, clearly, but I feel like that doesn't have as much teeth as they think it does. Or maybe it's... I'm a small-time lizard lawyer. I like the... Who's the lawyer on Futurama, the chicken or whatever he is, the rooster? I'm just an old country rooster, lawyer. I don't know much, but I know this. I love that guy. All right. Let's do a show. What do you think? I'm... Well, let me think. Yeah. Let's do it. Hi. I'm Howard, co-executive producer for The Daily Tech News Show. Join me as a co-executive producer for only $10 a month. In addition to the fancy business cards, you will get that special feeling inside, knowing that you are supporting the creation of quality content. Go to patreon.com slash ace detect. That's P-A-T-R-E-O-N dot com slash A-C-E-D-T-E-C-T. This is The Daily Tech News for Wednesday, November 11, 2015. Happy Veterans Day, Remembrance Day across North America and Europe. I'm Tom Merritt joining me today, Mr. Scott Johnson, DTNS contributor and Chief of the Frog Pants. How are you? Hello. Hello. Hello. It was nice seeing you over the weekend, Tom. Thanks for... It was lovely. We got together at BlizzCon in Anaheim, California. Yeah. I had a really good time. Saw a lot of really cool stuff and was way too short, but breakfast on Sunday with you was a memorable time. It was a highlight for me as well. I got the whole Johnson family. Yeah, you did. I was going to ask you if that was weird having us all just sort of crowded around you and you seemed to be just fine. No, when you made me an honorary Johnson, it made it all good. Well, there you go. There's two hours in merit. Yeah. I think it's weird that you can claim me as a dependent on your tax return now, but I'm not a lawyer. So all right, we are going to talk about the new lineup of Blu-rays coming from Sony in 2016 that are in 4K. And some of your favorite movies might be in there, but I doubt it. We're going to talk about optical storage, though. Like, do we still need these disks? How well are these things going to do? But let's start off with the headlines. Facebook introduced a new iOS app called Notify, which sends you notifications you selected from a list of trusted sources, things like Fox Sports, the Weather Channel, Fandango, CNN, Vogue. Each source can have several stations. Like for instance, the Weather Channel can have an AM Weather station or an emergency alert like a storm station that you can select individually. And content from the stations you select show up as notifications on your lock screen. Updates can be saved for later reading and shared with Facebook, email or other social networks. Notify is out now in the United States with more countries to follow. I like this app, Scott. I really like the idea of the app, but my brain keeps saying, and I think this is the curse of Facebook and I don't know how they ever not have this happen to them. But my brain says, well, why isn't it just integrated into the Facebook app? Why not one app to do that, to do messaging, to do all the things they seem to be segmenting out of the core Facebook experience? Why not put Instagram in there too? It's a totally good point. It's a valid point. Although you could argue that has some special branding. You know, why would why not include Periscope or Vine right in Twitter? It's the same sort of argument. Right, right. No, exactly. That's that is the thing. And yeah, and I think if notify came from another company, if a wouldn't get as much attention, because it wouldn't be able to strike the deals that Facebook is able to strike, because they got deals with BuzzFeed and Fox and CNN, etc. But also people wouldn't wouldn't have that reaction. But every a lot of people have that reaction. Yeah, it's just an odd thing. And I think it's I don't know how they get around that they're just making another app. If it was just called, let's say it was called just notify and had no Facebook branding. Oh, and that is, is it is there zero branding on it? Facebook is making it. But you just download it. It's called notify. It looks like the Southfield Bell Telephone logo. It's a blue circle with a white bell in it. Well, perfect. We can get back to that. It deals. I don't know. Very interesting. I like it, though, because notifications are something that I generally leave off because I don't know what what the app is going to throw at me. And I and I just don't trust it. And I don't want to use up a lot of notifications. But the few times that I have them on, I do like them, especially for newsy things and weather and stuff. So having one central app that allows me to say, Oh, okay, I want I want weather, local weather, I want some local news, maybe a couple of sports team things. And I'm done. I like having that control over it. I'm going to try this out. I'm a little surprised it hasn't existed up till now that somebody hasn't and maybe somebody hasn't been so obscure, we don't know about it. But it seems like such a no brainer to say, Hey, instead of having 50 apps, giving you 50 notifications, you may or may not want. How about you just kind of pick and choose and have it all in one place? I think yeah, and other people are going to say like, Well, I can already get notifications from the apps I want. Why would I want this thing? So I get that too. Yeah, periscope speaking of apps that you can get notifications from has some new features, including the ability to skip ahead in replays and the addition of watchable replays to the map. iPhone 6s and 6s plus users will also get some 3d touch shortcuts. Nice to see more apps coming on board with that with a new teleport option to randomly watch a live periscope broadcast somewhere in the world. Android users will get the pinch to zoom to zoom in and pinch to zoom to zoom in rather and out while broadcasting so they can be able to I tried it by the way tried to do this during some of the playoffs that I was watching for the Heroes of the Storm playoffs at BlizzCon. And that zoom to pinch or pinch to zoom stuff on iOS anyway, just crashed me out of the app every time I tried it. So I don't know if that's still too new or what's going on. But well now Android users can crash out of their apps. They can have trouble with it. It'll be great. I do like the map showing replays. So the live the live periscope streams will be in red and the replays will be in blue. So it'll be easy to tell the difference. But finding replays after they were done in the past was a little difficult if you didn't have the link straight off a Twitter or something like that. Sure. China's singles day is maintaining its crown as the biggest online shopping day in the world frankly probably the biggest shopping day in the world. Alibaba hosted a four hour event featuring Daniel Craig, Kevin Spacey as Frank Underwood and loads of Chinese celebs to launch their big push for singles day. Alibaba said it had $5 billion in sales in the first 90 minutes, a billion dollars in the first minute, 74% of purchases were for mobile phones in that time period. And Reuters reports Alibaba did a total of $14.32 billion in transactions up 60% from last year. By comparison, last year on Black Friday weekend, so Black Friday through Cyber Monday, total US sales were $6.56 billion. So despite the fact that it's obvious there's a much larger population who is using Alibaba on the regular and are keyed into this whole singles day idea, it still seems incredibly higher that number to me. And I don't understand what the fervor is but apparently the deals must be just right or something's going on or we're having a boom of consumerism in the rest of the world or whatever. But that just creamed us. Black Friday is more like, I don't know, Brown Friday or something lame. Gray, pale Friday, pale Friday. Like, Oh, that's what you got Black Friday. I guess that's okay. Maybe maybe it's the concentration of it into 24 hours like singles day 1111. It's all you get.  Yeah, so so maybe that just gets people gets their motor running more than Black Friday, which is your you have a hangover from eating a lot of Turkey. Otherwise, there's no need for this day to happen. Well, in Germany, they enjoy a good holiday and they'll also enjoy this Microsoft announced it's opening new data centers in Germany in late 2016. That's next year for those keeping track. The data centers will be operated by subsidiary of, I don't say this right. So I'm just going to try Deutsche Telekom. Perfect. All right, fine. Set it perfectly. The Germans hate well for an American anyway. I mean, I could say it. All right, good. Microsoft CEO Sacha Nadella said in the press conference in Berlin that the new data centers will quote, ensure that a German company retains control of the data unquote, verge notes that by making a German company, the data trustee would force us request to see data to go through the German authorities. So if they want to see this stuff, they have to go through that. Financial Times reports companies will have to pay extra to use these new data centers. This is one of those odd one of the first really odd businesses that are being created out of the wreckage of what Edward Snowden has done with his leaks and and what the European Court of Justice did by taking away safe harbor where paranoia about surveillance combines with legal uncertainty about data transfer to make Microsoft do this. And don't forget Microsoft is still fighting a court battle to prevent the United States from being able to access an email account that is stored in Ireland because Microsoft says you need an Irish court to sign off on that. You can't just tell us to do it. And so this is a response to that too. Like we'll find we'll have our data basically run by someone else. We won't even have access to it. That subsidiary that German company will have access and so you'll have to go through Germany to get it. We are at the stage I think of of worldwide mass acceptance of data sharing and everything that we've done over the last 20 years. It's all culminated to a time where I feel like this is just the beginning of having to answer all these questions having to decide what it means to be secure in your own country. Then what does that mean when it's not your country but shared data? What rules have to be in place? How does that not hinder the free flow of information? Or how should it hinder that information? Like we are we are definitely coming to the precipice of lots more cases, lots more arguments and probably a lot of very interesting back and forth between, you know, various nations, various companies and the tension between what a border means when there is no border on the internet. Yeah, if anything, I see it very positively. A lot of people are very negative about it. But I see this as kind of a great metaphor for perhaps some of that stuff coming down a bit. And I do I believe like you in the long term transparency, Trump's fences and limits. But sometimes it takes a while. And I'm not saying that this is going to be resolved quickly. But these are the kinds of things that will happen along the way to that. And you said Trump's and fences in the same sentence. And I'm sure someone will isolate I didn't even think about that. Well, look. All right. By the way, breaking news, Apple, according to Wall Street Journal is developing a Venmo like payment system that would use that would tie into Apple pay will cover it when Apple actually admits that it's real if it is. Nvidia announced its Jetson TX one development board according to ours. Technica the board is powered by a Tegra X one and sock system on a chip, meaning an eight core 64 bit arm CPU along with a Maxwell based 256 core GPU and four gigabytes of LPD D four RAM with 25.6 gigabytes per second of bandwidth. Nvidia claims it outperforms Intel's core i7 6700 K in tasks like facial recognition, computer vision, behavioral analysis, things like that. And now you can just buy the sock, the book the sock on a board, sock on a board system on a chip on a board for $299 next year, or you can order the whole kit, which includes the input output carrier board with Ubuntu Linux and Linux for Tegra for $599. Get a discount. If you are part of an educational institution and brings that price down to $299 for the combo, all of that starts November 12th in the United States. Yeah, that's what people some people want to hear the drones will have way better facial recognition. That'd be good. I'm just kidding. I don't care. Well, no, I mean, the idea of like, Hey, take this package to this guy.  Yeah, that's actually kind of awesome and terrifying at the same time depends on where he's tender has made some changes speaking of singles day to its match of terror, awesome and terrifying, and facial recognition. They're making big changes to its matching algorithm and user interface, you can now add work and education information to your profile that seems appropriate. And the inbox UI has been updated as well tender CEO with the greatest name of all time, Sean Rad. That's a great name. Total tech crunch the algorithm includes both new informational data points for example, when someone goes to school or where they go to school, as well as technical data from the app how long they stay on a picture before swiping and so on, but wouldn't go into any specifics for fear of people gaming the new system. Yeah, compared to search engines like we can't tell you how the algorithm works, or people will just game it and and and trumpet. But but this is this is the kind of thing that Tinder has to do to keep up because and it's they are the leader in the space, you know, millions and billions of people are are using Tinder. In fact, what does this tech crunch story say? It's something like 10 billion matches since the app launched 26 million matches made each day. So they are borrowing from their competitors. Some of these some of these features, you know, some people are going to go this is bumble. I've been using this and bumble for years. Tenders like great, well now people in Tinder could use it. Well, they sure came in and just, I don't know, took the rug out from undermatch and everybody else. That's that thing is that thing's a juggernaut for sure. Would you swipe left or right on Tinder? Not knowing which one is good or bad. I'm going to swipe up and find out what time what time it is good. Look at your notifications swipe down. Co founder Lee seek woo of messenger app cacao talk has resigned after being accused of failing to prevent the spread of child abuse imagery on the service. He will formally step down Saturday cacao talk scans for keywords and malicious links, but feels doing more than it already does, would infringe on the privacy of its users. Cacao talk took some heat last year for handling handing over communication logs to local authorities. So they've been accused of sharing too much. And in this current controversy, saying, Well, you're not doing enough to stop these bad actors from sending information to each other over the inner over this messaging service. Yeah, this is one of the ones I haven't really heard of. And it's huge in Japan. It's a Korean company, I think. Yeah, yeah. And yeah, it's it is a very successful one. They make a lot of money off stickers. Oh, that's how they made their name. Now they make a lot of money off lots of things in app purchases. general. Well, there you go. Ride hailing app grab taxi. I've always loved that name as well. We'll launch its carpooling service called grab hitch in Singapore by the end of 2015. That's this year. If you're keeping track, Singapore recently introduced rules for carpoolers, which allow the driver to accept compensation, monetarily or in kind, well, like chicken eggs and stuff who knows from the passenger but not for profit. Reuters note Singapore is one of the most expensive cities in the world to own a car at all. But when they say in kind, I that is genuinely the law says in kind. So yeah, I guess if if I can convince you, I'll give you this chicken if you take me take me to work. Yeah, it's legal as long as as long as that ride is is worth that chicken and you're not profiting with extra eggs. Yeah, that's interesting that it's that it's in I guess a more reasonable because I imagine Singapore being extremely urban probably doesn't have a lot of people walking around with chickens. Like the sort of like, Hey, I'll I'll give you a ride today. You give me a ride tomorrow would be an in kind trade.  Come on out with some eggs. People in Singapore, if they're and I know there's actually a couple who listen are like, we don't have chickens. Where will you get a chicken? Now that I've said that someone from Singapore will ride and go, Oh, no, there's a great place to get chickens. Let me tell you where it is. Ah, Scott Johnson, let me talk to you about the blockchain blockchain, which validates Bitcoin transactions has provided fascinating has proved fascinating to financial companies as a way to validate their own non Bitcoin transactions. Some of them are interested in Bitcoin, but the blockchain itself just as a validation system is very interesting. Microsoft and consensus, which capitalizes the last Y in its name, weird, just cuz I throws me off because it means I'm asking why and I don't need to be asking why, right? I should be just from Brooklyn. Yeah, that's why Microsoft and consensus have launched a cloud based blockchain platform to let financial institutions experiment with blockchain implementations. The blockchain acts like a ledger verified and shared by every participant in the network making it extremely tamper resistant. Some stories will say tamper proof. Maybe it is. Financial companies hope it could lower cost and increase efficiency, especially for contracts. This has been a hot item. And if you're into fintech, and I'm not talking about sharks, I'm talking about, well, I'm talking about financial sharks, then this is this is a big deal like the idea that I could actually make contracts enforceable automatically in a way that uses the blockchain. We're like, Hey, everybody is everybody knows that this is going to happen and this transaction is going to happen. And you can't change it. You can't fake it. That could be that could prove to be very valuable. It's interesting. This technology reminds me of almost the reverse of BitTorrent in that it was a technology started as a way to track Bitcoin transactions and to verify them and to, you know, make all that stuff be legit. And Bitcoin, not necessarily, but seemingly to a lot of people kind of has a little underbelly tone to it. It's used by the black, the black or the dark web, that sort of thing as their method of payment because you can. And now this is being pulled out and being used for very legitimate reasons or proposed for very legitimate reasons, whereas BitTorrent, also having bitten its name started out as a really great file service that had nothing to do with piracy. And then the pirates kind of took it and went a different direction. For whatever reason, I'm getting a kind of ying and yang by you could you could say the opposite though, you could say BitTorrent was a perfectly reasonable technology that was that had a stigma attached because some people were using it on the dark web to share copyrighted material like Bitcoin got that right out of the gate. BitTorrent kind of got that right out of the gate too, don't you think? Also, there's plenty of people going Morgan Stanley, JP Morgan, all of those people. I think they're pretty shady myself. Yeah, that's a I will say one way or the other, neither, neither while I agreed or denied, but I think you absolutely make it for a perfect point there. spatula flying spatula in fact has a point to me. I know right the flying kind wants to point out that Google announced it will end support, including security updates for the Chrome browser on Windows XP and Windows Vista. Not only that can stop there as well as OS 10 snow leopard lion and mountain lion latest security updates for Chrome on those platforms will come in April 2016. And that's all you get after that. Mountain lion just came out in 2012. Everybody's making a deal out of this being an XP story, because Microsoft ended support for Windows XP. And so obviously Chrome should end support for Windows XP Windows XP has been around for more than 10 years, you know, since 2001. Yeah, is that right? So I, I get Chrome ending support for XP. And I get why it lasted this long because a lot of people are still using Windows XP and they should they should move on to seven at this point. But man, that mountain lion one really got me. I'm like, I think I have a machine that is patched up to date with mountain lion. Like, I mean, I should probably upgrade that OS but still like, like that's not that long ago. It's not and it's interesting, but I'll bet you they're taking another factor into into play here that we haven't considered. And that is that it takes window it traditionally not Windows 10 is kind of disproving this partly because it's free right now, or you know, went free, and is now an easier adoption rate. But we got to remember people held on to XP for dear life for a very long time. I know some people that still won't let go of it. And that is a traditionally slow adoption rate as compared to OS 10 users. And iOS for that matter. It's there. That's one of the things they tout over so many millions of people 80% of our base have upgraded to the latest operating system. So Apple loves that stat and it does seem to be a true one that people are very quickly moving with the flow of new releases. Also, they come out much quicker. And also, I would argue mountain lions code base is very different than El Capitan's is. So I think if you take all that into account, this it's easier for Google to make that justification because in their mind, a there isn't another 50% of people still using mountain lion. And Ian points out in the chat room, OS 10 is a lot more annoying to keep backwards compatibility with. So that is entirely true. So I guess I don't blame Google in this case. And I also don't think they're that many people are going to be worked up about it. I think we I think Apple users, I don't know what the reason is that the OS 10 updates are free. Yeah, and they tend to stay up to date, they're being reminded pretty often. It's, I just don't think it's the same problem as XP users go to Firefox. Yes, they do what you'll need to do now. Robot Servit submitted the verge report that Apple and Google have removed a popular third party Instagram app called Insta agent from their stores after iOS dev David LR discovered the app was storing user names and passwords in an unencrypted form and sending them to unknown servers. That is bad, bad, bad acting on the part of an app. I would like to know a lot of people are pointing fingers at the app stores, but these app stores are pretty good at catching the sort of thing I would like to know how they slip that past that is a that is a big gaping hole that needs to be patched right away. If you have Insta agent on your phone, uninstall it and change your Instagram password right away. Man, that is, yeah, I didn't like hearing about that. Because you know, what one of the false false senses of security you have as an iOS user is that, well, it's more secure and and this is not the thing that proves that it's not secure. This is the exception that proves the rule. But boy, that somebody found a way to slip something past the app store reviewers, both on both Google Play and iOS. It didn't just sneak an elephant through the room in that small tiny doorway.  How do you not notice this crazy? And folks, we get these stories in part because you tell us you want us to talk about them. Join the more than 5000 people doing the same at daily tech news show dot Reddit dot com. And that is a look at the headlines. Okie doke. First 4k blue rays coming early next year. Tell me if this is your favorite movie that you've been saying, Oh, I can't wait for this to come out in 4k. Scott, the amazing Spider-Man 2. Oh, you mean the whopping 52% rotten tomatoes? Okay, no, I don't know. Didn't do very well either. No, not Hancock is alright. Pine Apple Express.  I don't even remember. Oh, this that Angelina Jolie Spice. Okay. The Smurfs 2. Oh, no, you've finally named one that was at the top of it. And wait, I'm sorry, I meant the bottom, very bottom of my list. Actually, none of these, well, Smurfs 2 has got a 14% on rotten tomatoes. None of these are horrible. They're not the worst, but definitely not the best. But this is just the beginning. They'll be followed by things like Captain Phillips and the Fifth Element and even Lawrence of Arabia, which is being done by the master. Yeah, we're doing the River Kwai. So anyway, these are coming. And the question that Scott and I had was, all right, even when they get to movies, we want to watch on Blu-ray 4k in early 2016. Do we do we want to buy these anymore? Netflix is going to have 4k shows doesn't mean they'll necessarily have 4k movies, but you'll be able to buy 4k downloads from places like voodoo. You'll be able to get 4k from Amazon. You've got 4k videos on YouTube. And maybe they'll strike some deals to stream some of those movies, all of those different places. And optical storage is going down while digital streaming is going up. The digital entertainment group research recent numbers showed that customer spending on subscription streaming in the last quarter rose 23.3% year over year. That's $1.27 billion of the $3.97 billion spent on electronic entertainment. Digital purchase was up 14% that's like voodoo or iTunes physical discs fell 14%. So the great hope of these companies is what we need to do is rejuvenate the format with 4k. We also need people to buy 4k TVs, although that's happening a more than 2 million 4k TVs sold in the US market this year. And there are just under 3 million households who have a 4k TV. So most of them are new and most of them were bought this year and that number is going up. Yeah, and I'm not surprised that number is going up because the prices are coming down. They're they're very reasonable. I can walk into a Costco and look at a very nice Visio 70 something plus inch TV and spend less than in some cases $2,000 $2,200. It's not crazy. They're the prices I would have paid last year for 1080p high end TVs in the same size range. So to me, it's not so much that it's going to be spun that Oh, everybody's leaping on the 4k bandwagon not really they're leaping on the Oh, that is a better TV and you're saying it's that much cheaper this year. Well, of course, I'm getting a new TV like that. That's what's happening there. If these TVs were still four and $5 and $6,000, we would not see that adoption rate nor that jumping in homes that have them. But my bigger question is, as a guy who's interested in good quality home entertainment, what I've learned over the years is and especially those in generations younger than me, they've really not not only learned this but embraced it that oftentimes lower resolution, little bit lesser quality, but a much higher convenience factor wins every time. And sometimes that convenience factor is price. Sometimes it's how quickly I can get it or how fast it comes out or or what how many platforms I can watch it on. But you know, this old idea that that, you know, well, MP3s aren't good enough turned out to be kind of a joke. MP3s are plenty good enough people like him for good or ill that may that sentence may make you shudder. But unfortunately, for audio files, it's true that most people think MP3 is good enough. And and if you're banking on a flight to quality for the resurgence of optical discs, I think it's going to be a tough sell. I'm not going to say it's impossible. Your your main advantages for Blu-ray right now and they will continue to be advantages for Blu-ray 4k are that you have people in bandwidth limited areas who say I would love to watch and we should really say UHD and HDR because these are going to be ultra high def which is a version of 4k and high dynamic range. So the brilliant color UHD and HDR I want that but I don't have enough bandwidth in my area to support that. And the other thing is Oh, I want to watch this movie but it's not available on Netflix in my region. I'm region restricted from seeing the 4k version. I don't those are fights against time, right? Eventually bandwidth continues to go up. And you have fewer and fewer people who are buying a 4k disc because of bandwidth. If that was their only reason and region restrictions change all the time and they and things are slowly getting more global. So it does go back to like no, but I really want 4k and that's the most reliable 4k way to view a movie and I'm not sure people are collecting like that anymore. No, I think most people are not most a good portion of people are weaning off of that. Now, I'm a guy who thinks that most of what I'm getting from set top boxes and streaming as as someone who's unplugged completely, I don't have cable anymore satellite, but I get pretty much everything I want and then some I'm very happy with downloadable 1080p 720p via services that let me rent content and for those streaming content. I'm very happy with the qualities they're giving me never never am I going on man just the artifacting. So I just don't think about it. I watch it I enjoyed it sounds and looks great and looks good on a big giant TV and I'm not really worried about it. And my kids are happy with YouTube and everyone else is happy with MP3's I don't care about, you know, flak and all these other formats that were supposed to be these better lossless sort of approaches to music and the same is true for video. So we've already made this big broad acceptance of what is good enough and and it is very convenient relatively cheap. And I think that is a good mix but I'm still that guy that says what day is it it's Tuesday the whatever and Fury Road comes out on DVD today or on Blu-ray. I'm off to the store to make an exception and get Blu-ray version of Mad Max Fury Road Why because I love that movie because it's full of extras and because that movie needs to be seen in the best possible lossless or close to lossless format I can see it in. And that's currently Blu-ray and one day that'll be 4k. So I'm not saying there's not a place for it. I'm just not sure it's the giant mass market half of Walmart is dedicated to it thing anymore. Oh yeah and nobody's saying that nobody's saying that at all. What they're saying is this will goose the sales of optical discs back up and I would only say you're probably right because the sales are falling right now and this will definitely turn them around. I don't know for how long like you say there are people who love flak and and those people will continue to want to get high level audio. They just aren't the majority and there are people who are going to absolutely want to have movies these you know guns of Navarone remastered for 4k absolutely sign me up. I want that because I'm really into that quality and you will continue to be able to sell these to them. The question is at one point will bandwidth and convenience Trump optical disc storage even for those people where you say hey you know what I've got enough bandwidth and voodoo selling me a 4k version of guns of Navarone that's remastered looks great. I could just put it in my you know my Omoplex server if it didn't have DRM and and and you know I'm happy I don't need to have an actual object to do it. That's the fight they're fighting again. It is trending toward equality I think I mean that at some point you know it's like video games or any other any other kind of media big leaps and jumps become less and less and they come smaller hops and little evolutions and it feels like we're heading that direction with this so that will come a day where our human eye will not be able to make any kind of distinction between some sort of hard coated piece of plastic with you know the best possible quality and something streamed because our bandwidth is just thick enough that we can take it and roughly get the same thing or so close to it that we can't tell the difference. Yeah it's digital. I mean if the Blu-ray file is streamed to you over appropriate bandwidth without lag and doesn't hiccup or downgrade you won't tell the difference. Yeah that is exactly the same bit. You're exactly right. I think that's the wall so so will we get there. Absolutely we will and the nice thing to know is that if we get there there isn't there's not much further to go. I guess I want to say it's it's the difference between 1080p and 4k is kind of noticeable. The difference between DVD and Blu-ray was a huge leap. The difference between 4k and 8k might be kind of sort of maybe noticeable but we're starting to get diminishing returns and as that starts to happen and the bandwidth catches up we're going to find a place where it may mean entire industries change how they do business. I don't know but we're going to stop caring so much about that perfect high end except for you know a smaller group of people and the mainstream is even then do they want to download it or on a disk. Right I would rather I'd rather subscribe to it that's my new thing is let me if it's a thing I consume all the time I want subscription music services I've completely turned on that I don't care about a collection anymore I can't believe this is me talking because I used to hoard it and I don't care I've got access to all of it anytime I kind of want it from numerous sources with all competitive prices there's no real point in me having hard drives chock full of songs that I can just get conveniently anytime I feel like. There was an interesting scene in last night's episode of Fargo and this is not a spoiler if you're not watching it that took place in a basement in the 1970s and they were surrounded by shelves full of magazines and it just reminded me of like yeah before the web when you could just look up any article you wanted at any point sometimes that made sense well you know what I might need that information so I better keep it around because it's the only way I can get it again. Yeah I had I had an uncle who kept a ton of magazines in his house when I was growing up and when I was a little kid I remember walking in there and it was really like a Harry Potter library in there like just walls of it it went up high it had a stool to get to some of it he kept every National Geographic all his photographic magazines like everything he could keep in that place and I realized today if I was to walk in there right now that's maybe four clicks worth of Wikipedia searching yeah like it's nothing so you know I could not agree more about why that's you know why if that headed that direction I don't know why we think that physical media is something we're going to still want to hang on to we're going to want to have less of that stuff in our lives and only keep the stuff that makes the most sense. What we will want are chocolate selfies and thankfully Mike from hot as hell and hoping for the winter Orlando has written in with our pick of the day my chocolate selfie dot com this service allows you to print your picture directly onto chocolate and have it delivered within two business days they have a website as well as mobile apps for both iOS and Android and they could print your selection on a business card I guess a chocolate business card a lollipop coin or a photo frame completely made of yummy chocolate really cool idea for the holidays says Mike not a sponsor just Mike's pick but wow does it sound delicious tasty my chocolate selfie dot com you're going to get some some of those for people I might you know I mean why not I feel like you've meshed two worlds I enjoy I suppose just don't give me chocolate selfie on a stick send your picks to us folks feedback at daily tech news show dot com you can find my picks at daily tech news show dot com slash picks great messages the day let's try to rip through these rich from lovely Cleveland was reading some of the reviews for the iPad pro which went on sale today you could pick it up in store or wait two days and have it mailed to you kind of a weird way to do it he said while there aren't too many surprises apple producing a really well-made product wow one review brought up an interesting point and David Pierce's review for wired he posited that the iPad pro made him think that iOS and OS 10 are destined are not destined to merge but that iOS will simply win out as Apple's OS it's an interesting idea and it got me thinking so I checked how long the classic Mac OS was around prior to OS 10 shake up and it had a life of 17 years OS 10 has now been around for 14 years so well it's not in the same dire technical limitations as its predecessor the timeline may line up for Mr. Pierce's prediction he says it's really more of a feeling in the review but still let's just hope they figure out multitasking before they kill off OS 10 and then rich removes his tinfoil hat but this goes with what Tim Cook was saying to the telegraph earlier this week I don't know why someone would buy a personal computer anymore you could just do it all on the iPad yeah I mean yes there's a lot of that is true a lot of things you could do but even as a kind of a fanboy myself I still and as someone by the way is getting an iPad pro for for art reasons I I'm not it's not going to replace my notebook or my production desktop machine and the reasons for that is they yeah well maybe they're not merging the two but iOS needs to get if they want it to take over and become the OS you go to it needs to be a lot closer to what we get out of a desktop yeah I mean this is the windows 10 windows 8 problem right they wanted us all to use the tablet interface and those of us on desktops were like no we need the desktop stuff yeah I don't even care if I'm working on a Surface Pro I need the desktop stuff yeah to me it's like a keyboard we the reason we keep using a QWERTY keyboard isn't because we're bored or haven't gotten around to try and something new or you know whatever it's because it works and we're used to it working and it's part of our lives in an integrated way and just things that the desktop OS can do that you can't do on iOS and if iOS could start doing those then I guess maybe it becomes OS 10 in that case you replace it but then it's not iOS anymore so well yeah and it's why it's such a strong see the Microsoft play makes a lot of sense to me because what they're saying is well what if one OS works really well for both things and gave you the experience you need on both and we do that in an elegant way and Windows 10 it's a strong argument for that so you know I'm not so sure they're not going about at the right direction and Apple's decision to keep these as very separate ecosystems is the best way either there's good integration but they're still separate so in the end the Microsoft model may be the one that we end up seeing even out of Apple as they you know maybe are forced to do more of that who knows DX from what Glasgow wrote in response to my discussion with Patrick Bezier yesterday about WordPress he thinks WordPress was more dangerous at 10 percent when moms and pops were using it and no one was putting weight behind it because security was less known the security was less of a core concern plugins less focused on security now at about 25 percent and even more in gaining mega core and emo bloggers alike want security and make security happen so that's an interest that's a that is a good point I agree with that Fred wrote in on his last trip to Wyoming in South Dakota saying he noticed the coverage map would give him no service outside cities decided not to use ways and brought along a dedicated GPS device for directions so there you get there's another use for Google Maps offline people driving around in the rural parts of South Dakota and Wyoming maybe I don't know if there are parts of Utah like that as well probably yeah there's some stuff down in probably central to south southern Utah that are that are hard well I know there's a really bad place to get in connection of any kind between St. George and Vegas and it would be nice to have a little bit better control over that stuff there chip from Rainey Boston wanted us to know he works at a TV station and they still use beta he he notes that it's beta cam different than beta max but he says to this day we still have several beta cam machines up and running and it is not unusual at all to have content delivered on beta cam tape yeah I got a friend who works at a local radio radio station and they still do their all their promo spots with beta tapes which is crazy Patrick didn't believe me I said no it's probably likely so there you go thank you for writing in on that and and for noting the difference between beta max and beta cam two different two different products one is more professional 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frozen except everything's running in the background so i'm like yeah yeah i still hear you just fine you can see my camera right yeah it doesn't make you're moving around like a moving person it's so wait no oh my god no your camera went away oh now you're moving again my move yeah yeah it's any justice and sneaked in oh hi jenny can't hear it though nope i think you're roger or somebody you can hear me my answer roger my child so while we're talking here i'm just gonna yank some cords around i should still be here but i'm gonna see if i can get it scott scott where did you go scott i don't know what's going on it's pissing closets full of old playboys that's it that's kind of i didn't want to say it dude but that when i was talking about my uncle that is exactly what i'm talking about you'll never need more than 4k he had millions of them of course sock on a board gotta like that 4k blu-ray is murphy sock on a board sock on a board sock on this sock on a board he's the new uh sock on a board new microsoft ceo didn't he sock sock yet nadella in uh the board of dela board of tele should we go with closets full of old playboys that's not actually what we said no that is actually what my uncle had i don't know if we want to do that or not you'll never need more than 4k sony feels blue the bluest ray i like that all this and the smurfs too that's crazy chocolate selfie on a stick what do you guys think you know i like the bluest ray the bluest ray is pretty good too the bluest ray it's like that oh hello jenny you guys will be shocked to learn that i was previously using skype and there therefore could not be heard by google so what should we title this jenny the bluest ray oh i had to show about up but then i had to restart well here i'm gonna give you the choices all this and the smurfs too closets full of old playboys or the bluest ray i'm kind of like all this and smurfs too but uh you guys work here that one's actually winning too the audience agrees with you yeah please can you not hear me scott yeah i hear you scott okay i can't hear jenny can't hear jenny that's weird that's a really weird bug because i can hear it just fine well tell scott can you hear i can hear jenny weird but you can hear me yeah i hear you too just fine that's weird that is really odd i don't know what that is am i just muted to her maybe i muted her i don't think i did i can't tell because the screenplay you got to pass along to scott what i'm holding on my wrist right now i can hear boy you have a pit boy now i can hear i have a working pit boy right now my hand and i'm super sick and she's not afraid to do the dials on the pit boy work or just a touchscreen on your touch it's the touchscreen and then the dials move but i don't think they actually work because they're plastic oh well the happen plastic but it has a really cool power button and it lights up and then once it's connected to the playstation obviously it's going to be super functional but right now it's just pretty so exciting i have a pit boy oh we lost scott i gotta start playing that game again i played last night and then i had to go to bed i haven't gotten to play it because i got home at midnight last night and i'm a little punchy so what title did you pick tom the smurf is blue i mean the all this in the smurfs too yeah the smurf is blue the smurf is blue so i kind of like that too but we'll stick with this one all this in the smurfs too i'm hungry the smurf is smurf you can smurf is the smurf we all smurf one of the worst i think cultural inputs from imports from belgium since i'm actually no bandam my worst you mean best hmm you know what they're called and there's one i think i think it's germany they're called leish no maybe it's france leish tramps sounds of german yeah yeah leish tramps now i hear feedback right here roger's been buzzing maybe that's it roger roger over over over over that's what those robots say in episode two attack of the clones well they're making us they're making an airplane joke i never understood that they're robots what do they have to communicate to each other vocally audibly it's a movie because a super attack droids don't say anything really never the droid of cars like the big ones the big bulky ones they just know when to stop and shoot and stuff like that well if i was criticizing things in those prequels that's exactly where i would start i would also wonder why they would resort uh the gungans would resort to napoleon era you know battlefield tactics also why you assigned the comic relief to lead your army yeah oh have you seen that whole thing the conspiracy that my conspiracy yes yes of a jar jar being a sick yep i'm gonna make you kind of amazing but they made a mason jar branded jar jars like it would just be his head mason jar jars mason jar jars no don't do it so we're gonna do it mason i'm gonna look for this drops mason jar what's cooking ellie let's cook it we're gonna cook yesterday but you got winey so we couldn't cook anything thankfully dad didn't eat a salad for lunch so he had it for dinner let's have salad for dinner no one ever says that they say oh i guess i'll have to eat salad for dinner did we permanently lose scott i assume well he's having problems with this video so he may have just shut us off to simplify troubleshooting that's my guess who knows maybe he'll return maybe return of the sift someday he's a scott lord someday so when they do when they bring back uh when the force awakens they need to start doing all those tv specials they used to do with star wars no i don't think so force awakens holiday special it would just be like a holiday variety show yeah get uh dania marie to be finn and ray it's beginning to look a lot like ray mess um i don't know it sounds terrible why uh because we it's been like 30 years and we still haven't recovered from the first star wars holiday special you know there's plenty of people who were born and raised here to have yet to see those so i don't think they'll have any you say that as if they're bad jenny ha funny you know it's a lot of those tv specials like when you watch them on youtube yeah you can laugh at how pokey they are but in the context of like all the other stuff that was out they were you know ostensibly bad i remember watching the holiday special on tv being excited that c3po and r2d2 are in there and chewy but like curious why i wasn't seeing luke and han and lea uh and also why we weren't in space i was kind i was like kind of disappointed by those things broke the fourth wall as an eight-year-old or a seven-year-old or whatever it was um so here's my one thing about this if i wore my pit boy out to the grove do you think i'd get pulled over by security no you sure about that yes you don't look threatening i don't know all right you go you do it and then see you see you push this way nothing is impossible if you really put your mind to it yes the problem is i would not be able to call for help because my phone is stuck in a giant piece of plastic on my hand which i have yet been able to solve because you can only use this app so can the app do anything if you're not playing the game yeah it's got a little demo mode but honestly no like you have to be playing the game for the app to be useful got it because that controls your character you can you can because i just started playing less but there's side games in there yeah they do their game you just have to unlock them right called atomic commands yeah oh can you play that if you just download it yeah or do you have to unlock it in the game no oh that's cool you hear it so okay that's that's i might download it then it's awesome it's magical it's just a game it's like uh what's that game missile command missile command missile command things are coming down from the sky and you have to shoot them oh yeah it's pretty cool just go i people might give you a second glance our third or fourth glance i don't think you'll be stopped if i'm walking a pomeranian with a pit boy definitely you'll be fine i'll be fine you'll be fine if you're walking a pit mow with a palm boy though totally yeah that'd be a problem the force awakens christmas special with justin beaver and miley cyrus oh god thank you strike it rich that is exactly what we want to avoid oh come on it'd be great well someone has to wear the slave girl outfit well you know what maybe that slave maybe that slave girl outfit is gone the way of the star there's no slave girl outfit in force awakens that we know of that we know of how do you know it's not a slave dude outfit it's sure maybe maybe maybe finn gets into it so i guess episode eight script is done wow god as much as scripts are ever done sort of blows my mind that there are actually going to be more of them yeah you know there is the danger and i see this with uh marvel movies you start putting down too many you start really kind of weakening the anthology movies worry me in that respect i feel like eight and nine will maintain strength like they're focused on those jj abrams hopefully has set up a good story for them to follow i feel okay about those uh but the anthology ones i feel like or where we could start to be like and i don't really care anymore too many side stories um i agree completely except for a rogue one i'm really excited about rogue one will be cool yeah as long as wedges in there somewhere is Darth Vader in rogue one well that would be a continuity age problem don't you think unless he's being played by someone else for Darth Vader no wedge let's shoot oh wedge yeah he did well han is going to be in that was the actor that played wedge still around so they're just going to recast younger people right because they show up um you guys want to take it really forward yeah it's true wait they're gonna but does that mean they'd recast han solo yeah that i haven't you seen all those articles about like who should be who should it be should be chris pratt should it be chris pratt no no i don't think it's mentally prepared for that um okay you guys want to see something else cool that happened in my workspace today look it's happening right now your table your table nice is it where did you get it from jack doesn't like it he barked at it every time it's because he's losing his protective cover he does not like things that move oh have you have you watched star wars rebels i know it's a cartoon i haven't yet yep i keep meaning to do it but there's so many seasons now it's only two not even a full second one i know you're thinking about uh the clone wars the clone wars was really good i was impressed at how i'm part way for clone wars i'm not i'm in season three it's it's really good it's really well scripted i didn't think it would be because it was kind of it i mean it started off shaky there were good episodes a bad episode but i could tell like they're really getting their their was it six or seven seasons are there or something like that something like that six or seven toward the end it really just starts everything gets tied together and you're like whoa this is well and they're bringing characters over and i know you'd know this because you're all rebels it's great oh my god it's so great yeah i have to say that's one of the more consistently enjoyable star wars franchises that's recommendation for me what's his name phelony is that the guy who uh yeah dav phelony was the guy put in charge of clone wars and essentially like i in my head i don't know if this is actually true in my head he did battle with george lucas to make clone wars good and now that he's doing rebels they've just given him like control over it cool all right i'll just take a little time and watch all those and it's great because i can watch him with her and i don't feel bad i don't feel like god's gratuitous i mean it's there's a lot of bad stormtroopers shooting but you know it's not like they hit anything yeah what what do you want to be a pip girl lock you in a vault and defrost you one thing i don't think i'll be doing and follow for building my own shelter like the first like you can do that you can build out your own place with it well you could build out your own place in the earlier games with like when you got one can you do that in the shelter now well yeah but i mean like you have tools like custom build custom furniture and things like that yeah maybe no i mean it's a little so too much time i think for me i just want to collect weapons ammo and well scott uh i guess is not gonna he just got his uh rig uh going up again so we are out of the post and we are out of your face but we will out of your face goodbye goodbye