Hi everybody, welcome back to Las Vegas. We're here at the Venetian Conference Center. This is Dave Vellante with Rob Streche. Day one, we got three days of wall-to-wall coverage. The Cube's here extracting the signal from the noise. Tom Black is the executive vice president and general manager for HPE Storage Cube Alarm. And Casey Taylor, first time on theCUBE, COO of HPE Storage Group. Guys, welcome to theCUBE. Casey, good to have you on for the first time. Thanks, guys. Now, you're very welcome. Casey, I saw you in action in April down at storage day. You were sort of emceeing the whole thing, and I said to you, wow, if you ever needed a job at theCUBE, you would be great. That's right, you did, yeah. So, but that was a big day for you all. It was the first time I was actually in Houston, loved the facility, great vibe. So, since then, what's been the reaction? I mean, now we're here at Discover, you get to, you guys are going to pre-announce, not pre-announce, but you announce, and now you get the thread, connect the dots to Discover. What's new since April? That's right. Well, it's been rolling thunder, honestly, since even before April. We've had a world tour connecting with customers, partners, and our field to really get everybody ready for these major announcements. 2023 is the year of storage, which has been great, and so there's been a huge amount of focus on our roadmap and our launches, and so we're continuing the momentum since we saw you, and obviously excited to be here at Discover, with some new announcements, and adding some features to some of our services, so it's been a busy time. Yeah, well, we're going to get into some of the announcements, but Tom, I want to give the audience an opportunity to understand the strategy. The interesting thing that I learned when we spent some time together in April is you came over from Aruba, from the networking side of the business, which of course is an awesome business, and they brought you in, Antonio put you in charge, says, okay, I want you to sort of rethink the strategy, this is my take, you can tell me this, and I want you to really drive some commonality across the portfolio, so explain the strategy that you're embarking on. Sure, so thanks, Dave. So if you think about, and actually in Silicon Valley, there's kind of this bus tour that goes around between networking and storage companies. In fact, one of my old supervisors runs NetApp, and my boss's boss runs Pure, and the engineers kind of go everywhere. We've chatted about this before. It's because fundamentally both industries are highly complex systems. Both industries have similar routes to market, B2B saleshorses, and actually are built, the hardest thing we do is large scale, highly available distributed systems, which is common, right? Now, the state of the art in a router is how good you throw away data, state of the art in data, and storage is how well you save data, so there's a little difference there. But the thing I noticed coming in was that while we had a strong, very strong loyal customer base, the portfolio kind of, it lacked a common theme, right? So we appeared a bit fragmented as we thought about things moving forward. Secondarily, having been in this situation before, obviously there were some very strong players in the market, so it was about take a step back and look at where has really the data growth gone and where have workloads exponentially increased in size? And the answer was a public cloud. And so when you talk to customers, as Antonio said today, 70% of the workloads are still on-prem, some verticals it's even more, some vertical is less, but just take that as a number. The real reason the public cloud one was not a financial model, the public cloud one on an operational model, right? And so we decided to make that our mantra and true North, that everything we were going to do would be based on the cloud operational model. And so we took the heritage of the Aruba networking platform, we made it a common platform for the company, HPE GreenLake Cloud Platform that Fidel Maruso runs, and then we started printing services on top. So you can think of my organization as building the kinds of services one might consume from a hyperscaler. And then as we started down that journey, what became really clear is customers liked our operational model and our cloud control plane so much so that they wanted to be able to visualize and see not just their on-premise estate, but also their public cloud estate. And so if you think through what we announced in April 4th was the, you know, we've collapsed all of block storage onto the Electro platform, and that thing continues to grow in triple digits for us, most successful product that we've ever built in the company. But the latest member of the Electro family called MP lets you go from a tiny box to many boxes, you know, dozens of, you know, controllers for IO processing, it performs as what you need, dozens of media shelf personas. It's all the same system.  And then we made it multi-protocol. As you know, on the 4th we announced our file offer on it as well. So really sticking to that cloud operational model, sticking to simplicity. And we brought that forward today with really three kinds of three additions, if you will, to the portfolio and the GreenLake Cloud Platform family. One is we enhanced our SaaS backup and recovery-based service to include popular applications like MS SQL, RDS from Amazon, EKS, EC2, EBS. So now you can create one data protection policy and whether the VM is in Amazon or Azure or on-premise in VMware, you get to apply that protection policy. The second thing we announced was storage fabric manager because as you know, Rob, right? Sands are a bit of a dark art, if you will. There's Illuminati that you go somewhere to become an expert on this. And especially with the skills gap now. I mean, they've all gone away. Right, once it works, it's like, don't touch my sand. Don't touch the sand.  So we decided to make that a very simple cloud service to help you visualize, deploy, you would remember, spot checks. Rob, right, against all that's automated. And we also, the way we build everything on the cloud is it's all a reusable microservice approach. So if you think about a scale out block system under the hood, actually the microservices that are the storage fabric manager are called behind the scenes to manage the fabric. So I'm no longer building custom code for every different use case. I'm in a cloud-like model. And then the last big announcement, which Antonio previewed, and then we followed up with today, is Private Cloud Business Edition, which the easiest way to think about it is it's a VM vending machine. Right, so you describe your workload or you describe your cores or memory or storage. We ship you network. We ship you compute. We ship you storage. And then you go to our cloud service. You plug in the black cable for power, the blue cable for network, and it dials into the cloud. You activate the vending machine, if you will. And now the interaction between the operator and our service is at a VM primitive level.  Again, all one policy for how you define your workloads, particularly data protection. So kind of move the store, if you think about April 4th, that was really a hardcore storage expansion. Today was broadening into workloads and enhanced data protection. So Casey, I got to ask you from a COO's perspective. I look at the storage business, HP is, it's good to great. You got a good business, but you got to make it great. I mean, Rube is a great business, right? Your HPC and AI business, a lot of potential upside there, but storage is a good business. It's what, four billion or so, I want to say. And generally speaking, the industry, it's a more profitable, services are good business, right? It's actually a great business. So what are your objectives in terms of the storage business? Is it gain share? Is it to drive profitability? Yes and yes, and kind of what's the strategy to get there? All of the above, yeah. I think that you're absolutely right. We need to take it from very good to great. I mean, Tom and the team have done a lot of work over the last few years to get the product side really humming and make sure that we have that full portfolio story, store, manage and protect now, right? So I think we're there and now it's about how do we accelerate, how do we execute and go after where the market opportunity is. And Antonio also, in a recent business review with both of us told us exactly that, right? We need to get this business going and we need to double down, right? So it's a huge focus for the company. It's also a proof point for the platform up till now with the services that we've put on really leading the way. Yeah, and I think you were saying earlier that you went on this tour and we're talking to a lot of customers over the last many months. How has that influenced exactly what you're seeing and how you're tuning that, tuning the message, tuning your go-to-market? How is that going to help going forward? Yeah, it's super helpful speaking to customers and partners. You hear from them the truth, you know, good, bad, the ugly. It's been wonderful to bring them along on the journey with us and early so that they can really have an impact on the offers as we release them. I think that that was a big difference for the April 4th launch was the amount that we brought people into the tent early and got feedback and great feedback, right? That actually really did end up in the product for the service that we've launched. So what we're hearing is really confirmation that the company strategy is resonating and there really is that appetite for the cloud operational model, right? Multicloud on-prem, that is definitely a custom and demand and so I think that the services that we are launching are resonating because of that easy to use, manage, provision, model. So I'll tell you on that one a little bit because it tells you a bit about how different this is than even just a few years ago. So one of the things we learned is we've basically stopped using PowerPoint in most of our meetings with partners and customers. In fact, I have sales leaders that have outlawed PowerPoint from their team's usage. Casey recently we put a call out, hey, in a few weeks we're going to meet in a certain city. This was for partner sales reps to get up to speed on the things that you saw today. Two-day meeting, 200 people showed up out of nowhere, not a single piece PowerPoint. All they were on console the whole time. Antonio himself can get on console and demonstrate to customers. So he stopped bringing our old PowerPoint decks and he just says, fire up, give me on the production cluster and he'll start clicking around showing how you provision the VM or set up back up. So just a real shift has come out of these engagements which is if you believe a picture is worth 1,000 words, getting on console, it's worth a million. So how does that affect, do you think about the traditional storage business? It's a box mentality. It's faster, cheaper, better, it's a better box. Now when you think about a console as your interface, what's behind that is, yeah, there's boxes behind that, but that's not what I consume. So people would ask, well, are you getting out of the box business? Are you, what about Electro? What happens there? So how do you think about sort of storage today? So we're certainly in the business of selling hardware. In fact, I would argue our hardware is really good hardware. The point though, if you think about customer agility, is when you interface with one of our cloud services, your kind of methods and procedures for maintenance, for configuration, for monitoring, don't change as you move across the different configurations or Electro systems. I think I support six different box or block hardware systems under the block storage portfolio, but it's a unified experience. So you're not retraining your staff on every iteration of technology. You have the same APIs hold true, you're saying provisioning workflows hold true. So it's really about how do you get our customer away from spending a lot of time trying to figure out every box to trusting that we'll get them to the right box for the right workload, but they don't have to retrain every time, especially important day in the partner community. The amount of time it takes to ramp the partner SES every time you change, fundamentally change a whole system is non-trivial. So this really gives our partners, gives our sellers and our customers an accelerated time to a business outcome. And I was going to say that that to me seems like your greatest advantage is the partners that you have out there. And that simplifying it to a more cloud operating model definitely helps them go out and have that conversation. Especially where you're saying, hey, they're getting on console and they're showing me at no PowerPoint. I mean, having myself not only been at HPE, but been at Amazon where PowerPoint was taboo. Basically, I think it does strengthen their abilities to go out there and do that. Are you finding that from them? Absolutely. No, our partners have access to our demo tools and they are using them. And it really has transitioned from a tell me to a show me environment. And that's what we have to do as we move to solution based selling. It's about outcomes. And I think that you have to look at the buying centers as well, the personas within customers. That's a lot of the conversations been coming up here with partners. They're also making that transition and we're helping them with that by giving them access to those tools and enablement. What's the hardest part of making that transition? I suppose it's somewhat, a lot of it's probably cultural, but there's technical aspects of it and then there's people in process. Maybe you could share some of your insights in terms of how you've affected that transition in the group. Why don't you go first? Yeah, I think it's about getting people to try it first, that first time and selling the value. Showing really that it's making their lives easier. And we've had great feedback from partners that have actually got on board with us. We're definitely showing up differently. We're engaging with their technical community a lot more too, right? Because storage, it is a complicated sell. And so when we get in with partners and we get in with their technical folks, I think is where we're really seeing some momentum. And the tools that we talked about, the demos and the show versus the towel is really helping. Yeah, it seems like that, again, going towards, like you were saying, with the sand management, being able to have that as a cloud service as a cloud-delivered service, makes total sense because people don't want to necessarily install on-premise to even go and do this, plus the upgrade ability, the backend, all that, the care and feeding aspects of it. I assume that's what you're hearing from your customers is, help me get rid of this care and feeding. I want it taken off my plate. Yeah, absolutely. If you think about PCBE that we launched today, I mean it searches the various knowledge bases of the constituent components in the cluster. It does all your ESX patching. It does your ILO patching. It does your operating system patching for your image. It fully life cycles the switch, the storage. So you do a one button, get me to the latest good config, and you're done. You're not sitting there piece by piece by piece, looking at security bulletins and trying to figure out what to do. So that, the giving our customers time back from the mundane and the rote, which by the way can get them in big trouble when you get wrong, as you know, right? You get the wrong security patch on something.  Things get tough, right? So really taking, automating that and taking that burden has been received very well. The trust factor. People are afraid of automation sometimes, but if they trust you, they're going to turn it over to you. The other thing with PCBE too, it's good to mention in terms of making things simpler, is the announcement today with our partnership with Equinix. Yes. Which means that we have pre-provision, PCBE, private cloud, you know, across different regions. You know, so there's plenty of benefits and we're getting really good feedback from customers about that too, quick provisioning. We had the Canadian Lottery on earlier today. That's exactly what they did through that case study. I got a last question. We're up against the clock here. So I know it's the year of storage, but it's also the year of AI. So I know you've been using AI in your portfolio for years, but now since the whole world is thinking about it, how are you guys thinking about, have you changed the way you think about AI at all? Have your customers sort of catalyzed any new thinking? So I think a couple of things hold true. Obviously from the keynote this morning, you saw kind of a very strong opinionated perspective from the company on AI, and we do believe we have a real right to play and actually a right to lead. Specific to storage, what we're seeing is the expansion of unstructured data lakes for the purpose of analytics, which is why we made one of the big moves we made in April 4th, and you'll see us continue. So we do really good in kind of low latency, low LTV type apps, think of it as airline ticketing, bank record processing, but people are also now starting to pay attention to, okay, I want to dump a bunch of this data into a data lake and I want to train a model against it. Classic would be weather forecasting. I'm going to take 10 years worth of previous weather, run my current model against it and help tune it and train it. So we're definitely seeing, a lot of these data lakes used to be very more vertical and maybe a little bit more narrow. We're certainly seeing it pop up just about everywhere right now. So if you think about combining our compute assets with our scale out high performance file asset now, it's a good combination and you'll continue to see us iterate on this as we move forward. It files the dominant platform on which the systems are going to be operating, these AI systems, right? And the cloud is not known for its file prowess. So far it's struggled with being basically, hey, it's simple, get put, but vile has been a different story. Vile's hard, as you know. Yes. All right guys, thanks so much for coming on. Congratulations. Thanks for having us. It was wonderful to see you again. I was excited to be on theCUBE and spend some time with you. So please enjoy the rest of your discover and hopefully it's worth your while and thank you for making the trip. Yeah, thanks for having us. Okay, hey, keep it right there. We got more action. Dave Vellante, Rob Strecce, John Furrier's in the house, Lisa Martin, up next Intel is back in theCUBE. We're going to talk about the future of AI powered silicon. You're watching theCUBE, the leader of live tech coverage from HPE Discover in Las Vegas. We'll be right back.


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So let's go ahead and introduce the fellas from trust the bank. So team keeping clean Introducing to you trust the bank fellas go ahead and introduce yourself to everybody. Hey, what's going on Ravens family? It's your boy Joshua from trust the bank podcast 27 years old coming out of buttermore Merlin been a Ravens fan since the first time we won a championship man So, you know definitely thankful for the opportunity to be on the show and you know, give y'all give y'all y'all Good, but give y'all our takes and I'm looking forward to this new season. So let's get to it. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah I'm a conna. I obviously part of the trust the bank podcast. I also do the other videos on ttb Ravens media help found Undrafted sports and do all that stuff more than just Ravens stuff But obviously big-time Ravens fan from the West Coast living the West Coast One day I'll one day I'll get up to Baltimore and finally be able to go to a game there only every games on the West Coast Now how did y'all I mean? I'm assuming from a little bit of Lamar a little bit of Mark Ingram a little bit of M&T Bank Stadium Had it but had a y'all come up with the name trust the bank. Oh, man Oh Yeah, so we I Met through Twitter and we were kind of just trying to come up with a name and we were just kind of messaging around and that was We started it probably right around the time, you know, it was the whole big trust thing with Mark Ingram It was probably a a week after that was when we started the podcast or started trying to figure it out So yeah, all we all we had in our mind was, you know, meet me outside the bank Come see me All that type of stuff from Mark Ingram and we were like, you know, what about what about, you know You know, we took trust and we took the bank from obviously M&T Bank And we decided to just roll with it. So cool. Cool. And I did see y'all hit a thousand subscribers a couple weeks ago So congratulations on that and like like I said earlier I really appreciate y'all channel because I see y'all have a really good time on the channel Y'all have fun on the channel y'all enjoying what y'all do But about what y'all do what what made you do it? Why did y'all start the podcast up? Oh man So I I did another podcast before trust the bank and it started right Really, like we had plans to do it before 2020 but like we started it up like January 2020 and then We're talking and I was kind of my co-host is a 49ers fan And he was like, you know, we can all we talked about was 49ers and Ravens supposed to be like all-football We were like man We got to figure out a way to talk about these teams a lot without doing it So we all so we both decided we both started our own We both just decided to try out and go start our own thing. So that's when I found Joshua And that was I don't know when it was summer summer last year Yeah, yeah me events summer last year. It was it was a while ago and it was just the podcast and You know, we just decided how a lot of fun with it. Honestly, we weren't too consistent with it So for the people that I actually stuck around and listen to it. It was great But then we just decided like hey, let's let's actually do this Let's start trying to be really consistent post on YouTube and do all that stuff and that's that's kind of how it was born But yeah, cool man. Yeah, that the consistency that's everything I see y'all literally post videos every single day So if y'all want daily videos from trust the bank if you want daily Ravens videos Then y'all subscribe to their YouTube channel. There's gonna be down below in the description What is your Twitter for everybody asking basically the Ravens Twitter the TTB account is at TTB underscore Ravens Is the Twitter account? All right, cool. So as y'all have been doing the podcast, what would you say is your favorite thing about it? I'll go ahead. I would definitely say You know being able to talk about something you love Not searching for content. I mean content is literally there especially in the sports world So being able to you know, talk about your favorite sports team talking about the ins and outs, you know and in the networking like Honestly, you know being able to you know, do joint shows with other people that you know like the Ravens or even maybe even A Steelers fan or Poffy. I can't see the Chiefs fan You know those those shows those episodes it definitely brings out the best of you So, you know, I definitely say networking being able to talk about something that you know You truly love and truly passionate about because you know, you find the rail in people You don't find that, you know, everyone putting on their news voice. Hey, how you doing? I definitely say, you know, that's that's the main reason I love podcast Especially I'm here without with the Ravens Content. Yeah, I like that. I like that answer man. That's true. And because of this What a lot of us do on here like with YouTube and stuff While we do try to have a professional aspect to it with it being on YouTube and like it literally being YouTube like so is your videos how you want to do them? You could just be a cell phone.  Hey, hi. Hello I was just going he ain't got to do none of that stuff. You could just be yourself and be chill be just it's just a vibe, man So yeah, I appreciate nobody saying be Joe button out here, but just be real But now since since y'all been doing the podcast what has been your least favorite part about it I'll let you go ahead cuz you I mean the least favorite part about it is probably just like I I don't know. It's not like a super negative thing But like I hate like not doing things on like the right time like Especially like when we first started off and like, you know, we would just post and it would be like, oh Yeah, sorry, we couldn't do it tonight and just that type of thing like, you know Not being able to meet some expectations and things like that, you know sometimes videos, you know coming out later than expected or Different thing, you know, like I don't know I try and be like a perfectionist So like when especially when we first started and all that type of stuff like trying to make sure okay, you know We have to do, you know, we started off and it was like very structured and things like that We ended up, you know going more open, but like just overall just like I don't know I feel like my least favorite part is disappointing people. I don't even think we disappointed very many people, but I Don't know disappointing myself in terms of like quality and things like that I don't know. It's probably my least favorite part, but it doesn't happen too often. So no, I feel you and I think with that Um, we usually most of the times we all own biggest critic So like you said, you may not have been disappointed other people But you just felt like maybe the work wasn't up to Paul up to the standards that you wanted it to be at that given time So, yeah, I appreciate that man. I could respect that so We got some fire questions as we always do so let's go ahead and get into it Alright first question came from a boy trade five. He said, what's up engraving? Hope you and your loved ones are strong happy and healthy I want to talk about the dog mentality from Ravens skill position players Our team has been built to play with the lead and we do so in many games in the regular season But in our four recent playoff games our offense started off so slow and it seems that they were not ready to play I see many dogs on our defense like Marcus Peters, Marlon Humphrey, Jimmy Smith, Deshaun Elliot and Pranel McPhee And maybe some others too, but the offense is lacking in my opinion on offense I think some dogs are Lamar Jackson Playoff Hollywood Brown, Nick Boyle and Pat Ricard. I think even Devin Duvenay has the potential to be Mark Andrews is great. What is he a dog? Miles Boykin is huge, but I don't see him fighting for those 50-50 balls as he should I cannot expect coach Hobbs to get grown men ready to play every single game I think that you cannot develop a dog mentality in you and you either have it or not. I want more dogs on offense What are your thoughts on this concept? Yeah, I mean obviously Ravens football is built on that dog mentality I mean you look at the historical players Ray Lewis, Terrell Suggs, Ed Reed I mean I mean I could go I could go for 20 minutes on dogs from the Ravens But you know you look at who we have now and you know the the question obviously brought up the defensive players Our offensive players I wouldn't say playoff Hollywood's a dog. I think he's exceptional I think he's number eight all-time in a career receiving yards per game in the postseason But like I don't see that like dog in him I just think he's like maybe a baller is a better way to put out like you know He's not a guy that's dropping the shoulder or anything like that. I think our dogs are are all in the running game You know Gus Edwards, JK Dobbins, obviously Pat Ricard Lamar. I think is a dog Nick Boyle pretty much everybody on the offensive line. They're all dogs But in the playoff games, we haven't been running the football very much So we don't get to see that dog mentality coming out, you know, we're not getting nasty We're not doing anything like that instead all of a sudden in the playoff games Whether it was the Lamar's first Chargers game whether it was The Titans game or the other Titans game or the Bills game We're throwing the ball a lot and we weren't utilizing our dogs So I think you know if we want to see the dogs on the field We got to use the dogs on the field. We don't got to just keep them chained up to the fence post I like that What you went with trade five said I'm gonna say this. I didn't play football. I'm the nicest person out the field But you put me on the field. I'll talk about your mama. I'll talk about your girlfriend I'm gonna talk about whoever In 10% physical I mean, I thought so bad that somebody I told the rough. I said listen rough. It's boy hold me. I'm a slap I'm a slap. I'm a slap. I'm a slapping. I'm a slapping helmet now watch this Now and I got into it. I got him to do here. So bad. He started how hold him y'all plenty for severe. So I said, I Smacked I smacked How many where sorry I said rough. I told you to tell his mask. I'm holding now and then the whole game changed so It's a me you can't Man, or you tell me they don't had a dog in you I find that a little crazy because at the same day when you playing football It is a man sport. It's a dangerous sport.   So, you know, when it comes to the other side of the ball, we've had we've had had them dogs from Steve Smith senior Derek Mason and Quon Bowden The list can go on Todd. He's Shannon shock. I mean as a tight end. You don't see to me tight ends talk as much They did like So, you know, and it and we had and we had money backs. Everybody forgot about peace homes Jamal Lewis even the ball back was carrying games. So that's how me The we don't have the dogs the game has evolved the game has changed the game is not as physical It's more about the money side So if you want to be real about it, the only people that I see, you know, especially from a wide receiver point in the NFL That's like a dog mentality. It's AJ Brown and Devo Samuels You you're not finding to me more Andre Johnson's megatrons, you know, I mean granted We still got the Andre Hopkins in the lead, but hey, you know, he's not he's not added to He's not added to the Ravens. I mean you got Kenan islands, you know, smooth the smoothest rock running one of the best hands Even though he can't stay healthy. He's not added to the Ravens. And you got to think about it the coaching Because of some of the coaching we haven't been able to develop a wide receiver in years Now I'm hoping is different with team Martin and Keith Williams, but um, you know It's all about the culture and in the locker room and the Ravens when it comes down to the Ravens We all know Ravens football is grounding pound Shut them up with a shut them up with a hard-nosed defense Now do I feel like it could be a balance this year? I definitely feel like that, you know from watching Lamar, you know Go out there and rock out with Marquis and Mark Andrews and Sammy Watkins and things of that nature To just at was in a J. K. Ray Rice 2.0 phenomena, I feel less I'm not gonna give I'm not I'm not gonna give my My stats on how that's gonna go, but I definitely feel like this season. It's gonna it's gonna be a wild season Just up the strip of our schedule. Just up the strip that you know, Lamar Jackson and the rest of the team has a chip on their shoulder and The thing is these guys love playing for Lamar Jackson Not just John Hubbell. It's all about playing for your quarterback. If y'all remember Well, maybe you remember engraving with the two the two thousand Super Bowl those guys Played for Trent Duffin granted They didn't give him another chance to come back and like, you know, play a whole 16 game season You know, but still, you know, the defense of guys the office of guys like well, you know When it came to Sunday, he played lights out.  We trust that man. And I feel like, you know, when people continue seeing, you know The leaps that Lamar Jackson tapes Everybody's gonna step up their game. So I really feel like it's based off that one. It's based off that guy Once you see that guys and he's in the weight room like this. He's at the practice doing this Let me step my game up. So I feel like that dog mentality comes by those leaders in the locker room Next question also came from my guy trade five. He said Hope all is well with you and the fam I want to know your thoughts on the Ravens Mount Rushmore of players for me personally Ray Lewis and a read on locks. Well, yeah, I think everybody would agree I also think that to real suck should be as well But the fourth person is tough between Jonathan Ogden Marsha yonder lowly nada Justin Tucker I might go yonder, but I want to know your Ravens players Mount Rushmore and what Lamar Jackson will have to accomplish To take one of their spots in your eyes Hmm Now, oh, yeah, Mount Rushmore just four people. So, yeah, Ray Lewis and a read for sure I think you got it though Jonathan Ogden in there, too That fourth spot. Wow. That is tough because you got yet to real sucks I Even Conversation because I know he was like a roller coaster, but he did when that Superbowl is Joe flakko Mount that that's that's tough. That's a tough question for me So I'll skip that one. I'm gonna go to the second one He said what do you think Lamar Jackson has to do to take to take one of those spots I think for Lamar Jackson to earn his earn his spot on Mount Rushmore I think literally the only thing he would have to do would be to win the Superbowl That would be it because then again, this ain't no offense to flakko I know some people like to be like, oh, no, it ain't no offense to flakko If Lamar wins the Superbowl then he already already trumps Joe flakko in Success as Ravens quarterback and accomplishments as Ravens quarterback because with him He obviously got the MVP and not only the MVP, but he got the unanimous MVP On the other person who got that was Brady and that guy's been kind of successful over the years But with Lamar Jackson just his impact on his team like flakko He had obviously had a big impact on the team. He gave us Consistency at the quarterback position and what I mean when I say that we knew every year as long as flakko Was here ever since he started starting in 2008 when Troy Smith got his tonsillitis We knew that flakko was going to be our starter every year going into the season. We know, okay We got our starting quarterback. We got that guy. That's our franchise quarterback. We got um, but You didn't always know what kind of play you were gonna get you didn't always know what to expect Now Joe flakko he did his thing and then after a couple years playoff Joe flakko was some serious It was crazy but with Lamar this guy like It's just what he has done for the team to take them from where they were headed to in that 2018 season at four and five when things were not looking good and to Literally completely turn them around and for Lamar Jackson. No matter what's going on around Lamar Jackson It's crazy because as a Raven fan You almost feel like we're always in any game and that we could like rock with anybody No matter what's going on around them. No matter who the receivers are no matter the offensive line No matter what it is even though we want that to be better around Lamar Jackson We still feel like as long as we got Lamar. Hey, we messing with anybody Anybom except the chief sometime, but we mess with pretty much anybody But all I think you would need to do would be to win a Super Bowl So so who is y'all ready Vins route Mount Rushmore and what do y'all feel like Lamar would need to do to get a spot on that Man Mount Rushmore. I think I think the first two are pretty obvious and Ray Lewis and Ed Reid I would throw sucks on there And and then I'd throw Jonathan Ogden right now But I think you hit it on the the nail on the head just saying, you know, they need to win a Super Bowl Or Lamar needs to win a Super Bowl to get on there just because you look at the guys that are on there already they all have an MVP or a defensive player of the year or a Super Bowl except for Jonathan Ogden But you know first first picked by the Ravens Hall of Fame or that type of thing. I think that's good enough but I think if you want a Super Bowl and then also having the unanimous MVP while also being like you'd be the guy You know when Terrell sucks won the Super Bowl. It wasn't really the guy of the Ravens Obviously, he was very good, but they're you know, he had Ed Reid and you had Ray Lewis with him So I think you know if Lamar's the guy and he wins the Super Bowl. He's already got that MVP award I think he'll be on that Mount Rushmore. Oh Yeah Mount Rushmore, I'm gonna just keep I'm just keep it old school. Honestly, man I gotta go, of course, we're gonna know Ray Lewis every, you know, you got to go with those guys from the year I'm definitely gonna take J. Oh And underrated I'm gonna take the most underrated running back on our team. I'm gonna go with Jamal Lewis You know, I mean, I love I love a good run game and and those early 2000s All about having a bruising back and you know for the size of Jamal Lewis and the way he ran and how he you know He broke them records and everything man. He contributed a lot when we didn't have some of the best quarterback play So, you know, I definitely got to add him to the Mount Rushmore now now for me for Lamar Jackson to get on Mount Rushmore granted. He's already got the MVP status He would have to win another MVP for me and also Super Bowl If he wins the Super Bowl, he has to win.  Oh, you can do this. You can do that granted You know to become better at your craft you always can work at your craft but for the simple fact that you know, he stood his ground in the interviews during the during that 2018 NFL draft and said well, you know Hey, I'm a quarterback. Are you gonna try it? Why receive him thing?  I'm playing quarterback In college, I got I got a I got a I got a full scholarship to play quarterback. Remember that. Yeah, so that's I think that's what I'm I think that's what I'm gonna do in the NFL. So well, I definitely feel like you know For him to get on that Mount Rushmore for the Ravens and get that like that Hall of Fame jacket He has to continue doing one up and a great thing about him He's so young. So, you know, he hasn't hit that plateau. He hasn't hit his prom yet So he's gonna continue growing.  Oh, he can't he can't throw the deep ball stuff like this Pay man was the same way Tom Brady wasn't so so much accurate These guys learned the game these guys grew into the game and Lamar Jackson is gonna keep on growing to the game And he's gonna become one of the greatest quarterbacks All-time and I'm not just saying because of my Ravens fan I'm just saying because this young man has to work at it and this young man, you know knows how to Produce on the field the next question came from my boy, Brian P He said do you think the two corners that we got in the draft or just for depth or is it to tell Jimmy Smith and Tavon Young, you know to up their game and the fact that those two are very injury prone I'm talking about Wade and Yes, those two it's I mean with Jimmy Smith and Tavon Young yet it they have been injury prone But I think it's just Ravens way is staying ready. You you got to stay ready So you ain't got to get ready and with Jimmy Smith Excellent player Tavon Young excellent player, but their health has not been their wealth they they have been missing a lot of time and You can't go into the seat Ravens no more than anybody like you could have the best depth in a second But things could change quickly Super quick. We saw it last year. We saw the year before we've seen it plenty of years Where the depth at cornerback and change very fast in a bad way if one guy goes down and stuff can get ugly So I think they were just more so equipping themselves to be prepared. What about y'all? Yeah, I think I think to be prepared not as much even for this season, but also just the future You look at Tavon Young how much longer is he gonna be with the Ravens? I mean, I don't think the Ravens front office is looking at him as a cornerstone for the future because He like Jimmy Smith when he you know, he's played like oh, yeah, he played eight games He played nine games. He missed a fair amount, but he played a bit Tavon Young is like yeah He played one season for us pretty much And he played very well for us But you know ever since he got that contract has not been able to do anything but taken up a lot of money So I don't think that they'll retain him for the future. So getting a guy in in Sean Wade who? Honestly could have been a top-ten pick in the NFL draft if he had stayed at the slot cornerbacks position at Ohio State rather than Transitioning to be outside to be that replacement guy who's who's been able to stay pretty healthy And then Brandon Stevens a guy who you know, we're able to look at as I think will be a free safety for us And then then comes into question whether or not the Ravens want to rock out with Deshaun Elliot who I'm a big fan of but He may want a lot of money and you know, we already got Chuck Clark running the defense So it's gonna be tough for us to move on from Chuck Clark unless we can give the mic over to to PQ or Malik Harrison or my underdog story Daelyn Hayes, I think could eventually take it over but All any of those guys I think it's looking at the future for who we want to start at the position It's kind of the same thing with undrafted free agent our Darius Washington, you know bringing him in like We're like it may not be a ton of playing time this year But they're looking at how much longer they're gonna be having even a guy like I didn't even mention Jimmy Smith But how much longer are we gonna have him? We've had talks of cutting him in the offseason like the last three years We've been talking is this the year so yeah, I think it's gonna be you know for the future I think utilizing them a lot more, but I guess some depth this year is always nice never have too much depth. It's definitely a Move towards the future Sean wait, I feel like if he shows this stuff Tape young Tape on young may be out the door. I love Tape on young He's a Merlin guy went to temple everything. I mean he showed it. He came ball out better saying token You know like McCona said, you know, he's he's been taking up money He's been taking up, you know a lot from a roster spot. Unfortunately and you know me personally if I'm with Martindale You know, I'll find ways to you know, keep Jimmy Smith and Tape on young in In rotation possibly moving them to the free safety position, you know just for longevity because both of them in my opinion they can cover maybe the The second best wide receiver still evil possibly, you know a tight end and you know Either get you a pass break up or even a possible interception. I still feel like I definitely still feel like Jimmy Smith as that Playmaker ability, but draft and Brandon Stevens in the third round Just you know gone from a four-star Running back from UCLA to making a transition over to what was a lot of running backs It's a lot of run back that pops it gonna get drafted me Let me go somewhere where I can play corner and where they can develop me and he made that transition granny He doesn't have a lot of film, but he's a big guy. He plays man-to-man. He can do the press breakups got one interception But he's an athlete You know, you play you played high at the opposite position on defense And you got to have some type of smucks to be you know, the number one You know, you got to have some type of athletic ability some good hips You know to be able to follow those number one wide receivers So, you know, I feel like that just they saw they saw a diamond in the rock Raven's way Don't know too much about the guy, but they see they can develop a possible Pro Bowl or a possible star. So, you know, I'm looking forward to you know, him seeing the field, you know So, yeah, I definitely see your future moves and I'm looking forward to it So this next question sort of takes us back a little bit and it came from my guy Philip B You said a engraving big fan of the channel hope all as well. Oh, yeah, everything is good He said, who do you think won the Orlando Brown junior tree the chiefs or the Ravens? I understand we Ravens got two first-round picks But I'm also certain EDC was kicking himself for not having a second round pick a lot of talent Within the second round that the Ravens could have used to put us over the hump While I do think the Ravens had a solid draft the chiefs definitely addressed their biggest knees this offseason which was the offensive line by getting Orlando Brown junior and Drafting Creed Humphrey piece of love and hashtag team keep it clean And I think the Creed Humphrey pick. I'm like 99% sure that was the Ravens second round pick That the chiefs used to get Creed Humphrey the center So Who do y'all think won the chiefs and the Ravens Orlando Brown junior trade? I Gotta go Yeah, I gotta go with the Ravens I Initially, I was a big fan of it. Then I remember Joshua and I we brought on a good friend of ours his name is AJ He's chiefs fan and he was he was pissed at the trade He was not happy with it whatsoever and he convinced me more. Yeah, I was very surprised We brought him on very respected him to you know debate like all the chiefs totally won. He was like no This is horrible But for me, I really like the trade because of the the extra pieces that we were able to get You know in the draft I don't remember if it was Ben Cleveland or Brandon Stevens, which one we got like, you know One of the guy many guys that we got, you know, we got a couple of extra guys, but For me Orlando Brown junior The drop off from him to Alejandro Villanueva Which is what it would have been because he would have been our right tackle is not That significant of a drop obviously Orlando Brown junior much younger has a significantly higher seal and can get much better But we only would have had him one year. So how much better will he be in the next year? But he's a similar player to Villanueva. We're getting back Ronnie Stanley And for us to go out and get a first round pick who we drafted, which is Adafi away Who I think is honestly the perfect counter for Orlando Brown junior who struggles against speed off the edge Now we got maybe the fastest edge rusher in the NFL now Maybe maybe we just did that to be able to get some extra sacks on Patrick Mahomes coming off the edge by a big braining the chiefs So I'm a big fan of it because and I like who we got we were able to address wide receiver and edge rusher Which were the two biggest needs that most Raven fans felt were the biggest needs especially at the beginning of the offseason Oh, yeah. Yeah, and um with with the Ravens Giving up Orlando Brown junior one of the things that was good for them more so obviously in the long run was that he was a third round pick and To be able to flip a will sort of flip a flip of third round pick for a first round pick Well, I'll give it up a second round pick too But being able to get a first round pick for somebody that you got in the third round That's that's a come up. That's definitely a come up Now you did lose the second round pick because you had to give that up but you did gain a first round pick and I think one of the things that surprised me the most from the trade just as a whole Wasn't even a trade itself or what would happen after the trade what happened in the draft because I was like 99% sure I'm like, oh, there's no way Ravens are gonna pick two first round picks I just don't I know they did it with Lamar and Hayden Hurst, but I just this year Eric the Casa. No, he wants to get more picks But he he sure fooled me that liars luncheon He gave us a lot of smoke screens and all these different signals and stuff because he was like, yeah Y'all I'm insulted by that y'all Insulting our wide receivers and all that and he was talking about oh, yeah We want more draft picks and I'm thinking like yeah, of course. He wants more draft picks is Eric the Casa He learned from Audrey Newsom They love all of the draft picks that they could possibly get so I'm like Ain't no way they about to pick two first round pigs that they trade them down from one of them for sure They might pick at 27, but 31 they trade them down and they didn't they stayed right where they were at But I was glad that they did because for you to be able to have your pick heavier selection of All the talent that's available right there within Two picks in the top in the first round. That's that's big. That's really big. So I was I was glad that they did


amazing because Sarah asked me to talk on certainty and it's interesting it was the correlation between wandering in this world and not knowing who you are and certainty is a very high correlation the more willing you are to wander and not have a clue of who you are where you are what you are what's happening and you become more and more really clueless about everything that's where your certainty level goes higher and higher the more clueless you get the more certain you get it seems like a paradox to the ego because the ego says you can't be clueless and certain but actually that it's actually how it goes and by it and you know just all kinds of things that seem to be beyond the traditional ways of moving through time and space just like that workbook lesson I trust my brothers who are one with me just and then growing in the confidence of that and so you know I think we're kind of moving more kind of into a touring phase away from the centers and and I think that's part of the joy of it but it's a step more into confidence and certainty so you don't necessarily know where you'll lay your head down you don't necessarily know where your next meals coming from you don't necessarily have a clue like you know we'll go through the day with these clever meetings but when you're out there in wandering in the world you don't know who you're gonna meet what's gonna happen how long you'll be a place and it's it would seem that that would bring in high levels of uncertainty and maybe even for the ego just like a fear of of just being purposeless but actually when you have your purpose firmly in your heart and you just kind of give it over to the spirit they show me lead me then that's where it opens up all the all the adventures all the avenues just open up from there from not knowing from being that place of not knowing and that's what I loved about I mean I did the gatherings in Brazil and just put up in hotels and taken to see different sites and everything but the best part for me was just these spontaneous heart-to-heart gatherings where you could just feel it going deeper and deeper and deeper just deep sense of love and intimacy and then this spontaneous things just unfolding out of that in so much glee enjoy just one thing to the next to the next to the next and then I guess to come into that certainty it's also letting go of the idea of what it means to be something to be working out or not working out because I guess when we work on projects there's still some kind of idea of how it will look if it works out and how it will look if it doesn't work out and that can get frustrating to to kind of you find yourself going in it's like you're going down a route road in the tunnel and it's like you start to hit walls or dead ends or whatever it's like well what's happening here and I think that's like a washing away of this idea that that you actually still know what anything is for because even with the projects you know there's certain assumptions of this is going to happen this is showing us that it's working and reminds me of the early days when I would sit down to write something or whatever and I'd get like through this whole thing work for hours on something and then something would happen it would all get deleted and it would just be like what like and I still had this sense like you know it was it was a state of mind kind of mind training it wasn't it was showing me that it's not in the form you know and it was undoing all senses of accomplishment and and everything you know when you get work so long and something and something happens and it just completely is gone then you know you have to just see the humor and and and have a laugh and and start to get the lesson you know there's really a lesson underneath it there but so goes against all our conditioning you know that's just such a it's like an accomplishment mentality and in the end the state of being is you know it from the world's perspective it seems like an accomplishment but from the experience of what is you know it's it's laughable the whole idea of accomplishment is is even laughable there's nothing there's nothing that's ever been accomplished in a world that doesn't exist you can't actually have a real have a real accomplishment you can't have a real resume you know you can't rest on your laurels because you you have no laurels so that's that's always good that's where it's all it's all having yeah so not about accomplishing or achieving something that's that's probably why she was just that she that she even had the question coming from like whether you're aiming towards her but you're not really aiming that's the fun of it you get into the joy of it then you want to talk about it and it's all exciting but this is what is it for yeah like sometimes people will say what are you selling or you're trying to get it a motive but there is no there's no motive there searching for a ghost yeah the title of the book unwind your mind if you put that title along with this notion in the course that everything not some things or most things but everything is backwards and upside down in this world and you then you start to get a hint unwind your mind and everything is backwards and upside down so so yeah if you can start to open to that then you can start to see that he says you can't judge your advances from your retreats meaning really you you really can't judge success and failure in this world and you never will be able to I mean the once you come to the enlightened state there are no successes and failures and on the way there everything is going to be backwards and upside down so it's comforting actually I mean I found those things in the course were very very comforting but I couldn't make sense of anything I would just be reminded of that because probably some of the happiest most so joyful moments that I've had in my experience with the tears just burst out you know we're we're more like Lucille Ball episodes with Lucy and Ethel you know where they would get off and some adventure and then you would get more out of control and more out of control and then that would be the funny moments of everything was out of control and that was the comedy you know I'm sure that just even the writers got a feel before they even got in there and then when they got in there and they got into the skip and they were acting it out and I've had I just had you know just yeah like a lot of those kind of adventures and where I was just kind of in that state of kind of expecting the unexpected or not realizing that it wasn't going to go a certain way and knowing that heading into it but that's kind of like if you can have that attitude with with everything that nothing is as it seems everything's backwards and upside down that you're just gonna go through this you'll get internal guidance and you'll be navigated but you won't be able to know the destination because if you already knew you would have needs the guidance and so and things are not gonna go the way things are gonna go things are gonna go very different you know there's gonna be a lot of twists and turns and lots of things that are just not gonna anticipate and you may be tempted to to judge them sometimes that something's gone wrong something's gone off something's gone bad but in the end you'll see that no it hasn't never went was off never took a wrong turn you never actually even made a mistake you never never made one wrong move at all ever grace like you're in the grace and that's truly the healing of relationships because it's yeah that just totally wipes away any sense of wrongdoing or grievance it's it's the undoing of unworthiness even what talking to these two Chinese girls because they they each had this sense that the other was giving them so much more than they were giving Susie was like you just love me and you offer me so much and you help me out so much and everything and I don't deserve it and then the other one said you open my heart you take me on travels you open doors for me and take me places I would never dare to go myself and I don't deserve it and I thought and I said yeah I told him in the end I said that's just the way that it goes usually it's the one that we think as ourself is the last one to accept the love and the gratitude we can we can see it reflected even more in others than we can you know seemingly in our self until the transfer goes all the way around but I said oh it's so beautiful you guys it's such a great holy relationship you're both you're both givers and have a little trouble receiving or believing is more believing that you're worthy to receive that's the thing that's the that's the convincing that's happening there were so worthy of everything yeah and the joining it's like the doors open to but it was like again and they're joining you know whatever one needs the other provides it's the spirit does it through these joining where it can seem to be a limit or an impossibility then something comes in because Emily said oh Susie just keeps talking about Utah I want you know like people talk about going to Mecca or something I'm with Utah Utah I want to go and live in Utah I want to see what it's like to live in Utah so she's over there well wandering all over China the king of Utah is like her Shangri-La and I'm here if you're all here in the Camus Metaphysical Center and I'm talking about wandering and who you are where you are what's coming next is the the glee of wondering just you know not not having an idea not having a clue that's the beauty of it yeah people just get fired up about some pathway or teaching and then they just want to give it away they want to share and extend it join together in some way that's really all we do just have opportunities so many opportunities every day what you said about you know it takes all the pressure off relationships is the guess you were saying I couldn't have been any different during but the worthiness that part that just all felt so good I can't actually conceptualize the words you use but that felt so good I could feel like the clench of the unworthiness the trying or something still I could feel it start to release and go here's my way out like the relief it's like it's like on the way like zooming in on the love and zooming in on the innocence and so different from the ego just picking at everything trying to pick apart things but yeah there's so many opportunities for that to love is so strong and then it comes out in such a playful way I feel that a lot with the touring and going out it's just like everything just it's so warm and playful that it just kind of melts everything away and then people are just so drawn into that vibe they just feel the love just want to just open up to it and come closer and closer and closer it's just it's just so prior to time it just it doesn't it's the I am this it just can't recognize a mistake it just has no recognition of a mistake or the possibility or the potentiality of a mistake it's flying back from Brazil and and I had my iPhone on shuffle this song came on and I just started to feel the love just well up and it's the song you might some of you have heard it called high and and then it got to that part of the lyrics when the tears just started to flow down my cheeks I'm just laying there meditating but impossible is easy when we're together you know that that line even the impossible because everything you could say that that atonement or innocence from the worldly perspective seems to be impossible in a world of sin in a world that's generated out of error where every nuance every fabric of this dream is is projected error that's why it's so depressing that's why it seems like such a closed system that's why it seems like there's no escape that's why actually there's no awareness in the mainstream of of it being a dream or of escape so that's why there's so much focus on just a little bit of scraps of pleasure and scraps of good good feelings because it's so dark that the scraps are even emphasized but even the impossible is easy when we're together you know it's you know it reminds me of that with God all things are possible and that there's no ain't no mountain high enough and all those songs that just talk about really that how inevitable awakening is through this love through this innocence but without this love and innocence it just seems bleak bleak and meaningless I mean in a dark sense dark and meaningless and empty in a very dark sense not like the Buddhist to talk about or we talk about an empty mind so to me that's that's really what we're we're just sinking back into that that experience and feeling the gratitude of that we're back to you know again we're not trying to accomplish anything it's not not going for an accomplishment we don't have that like your mother was saying what's it what what is it for we're not fishing for a reason not fishing for something to make sense in the world we're so willing to let go of whatever things mean just what I love just to have a good taste of true love I find from the course nothing you think or do or say or make and establish your worth your worth was established by God so far beyond the things that we have associated with worth we're worthy when a plane takes off you know it's got to accelerate quite a bit down a runway before it actually just softly to see the tires lift up it just takes off it's such a soft lifting at the end but there's this loud and kind of forceful acceleration and so yeah that's weak our path has been the path of devotion and through this collaborative devotion but but the lift off is when you really see that was nothing about any of the form it's not even a collaboration between people it just seems like that way when you're on the runway that you're collaborating with your brothers and sisters and and you can even feel the momentum of the speed picking up as you're getting closer and closer to that beautiful point of light lift off where you literally where you leave the ground but that lift off point is where you see it's always been the spirit it's always been the Holy Spirit and it's always it's never been personal and nothing that you ever seem to do or not to made no difference at all went to the lift at the end of the runway because even with the idea of collaboration and team you know there's still there's still a tiny little there's still personal aspects to it little nuances a little bit of pride injected in there with the persons but not with the lift off it's almost like an ah like oh that's where you get to yeah I feel that then I say that's why I sit and I look out from the airports and just watch the planes faster faster I will be there I'm coming get it up but it's just the day flows along you don't have to like search it out or figure it out or make it happen or whatever it's just just being in presence just being and letting what comes come and if something it's doors seem to open you go through them if doors close you don't you don't you can't you just that's that stores not opening I'm not going through there but you could you know that's that's the way the day is going I was talking to this woman right before I left Brazil and she was she was concerned about what to pray for and and what steps to take she kept talking about some points where she felt she was stuck and what to pray for and everything I said well you know my prayer has always been make it obvious she said make it obvious oh that's great that covers everything that's the only prayer I have to have for God I don't have to figure any of this stuff out just make it obvious and and she said do you put anything like please make it out she wanted to make sure she got the exact word because it's the only prayer I need that takes care of you from personal inspiration yeah feel or don't feel that could be a thing do I really feel it is it meant to happen is this the Holy Spirit you go no no blah blah blah blah make it obvious you know and she's almost like slicing through like one of those ice cutter you know ships up in the heart they just got a whole mass of ice just cuts through the whole thing make it obvious make it obvious kind of fun when you think about it just to offer those prayer up to the Holy Spirit make it obvious and then just rest okay I've offered my prayer up I've done my part you can obvious and now we'll see after there well that was the first part I was actually I had to write all these gratitude letters I kept hearing it for two days from the moment I was happy to go do things like buy a little orange thing with zoo for the show or camp to write these gratitude letters and I went to go do it as I some kind of like resistance just sharing or using this body and saying Jason is but I got into it I got so excited I was like jumping around my room oh my god you know should I be doing this whatever that's when that movie thing and I like it is they kept going forward so I came back and kept going yeah yeah that was your icebreaker with the kids because you know like the force of coming down it's like there's something that wants to come through just keeps coming and coming and it's not it's a whether doors are opening or closing it's I experienced this when I was in in Hawaii you're swimming towards what looks like which looks like a shelf of Carl it doesn't look like there's any way through but you can feel that's the way you're going you just keep going going and not until you're right there is it really obvious where the opening is and you're straight through the stream is taking you your kick is taking you unknown are taking you and you're just going that way and you more and more feel like you're just along for the ride this and just like the things that make it obvious like it keeps being in front of your face but that doesn't necessarily mean you experience it as feeling good or you understand anything of what it's for like right in front of my face and then there's this temptation just over your eyes like why you okay but what is this for because it keeps you I have experiences that keep showing up right in front of me like I don't get this but I am doing nothing to bring this if anything I'm willing to like step back I used all these step back thoughts in my mind but it's like I mean blatant so it's for me and why I really I can't even really know why I say I don't feel like a no-fly just this must be where it's just happening yeah it's just I remember this teacher of the course Tara saying you know we're always talking about no expectation his was his thing was always the wise man expects things to be exactly as they are I was like I would read all these books and they would get one thing it would stick with me like the wise man expects things to be exactly as they are so that's that was beautiful like when I was in Brazil they go to these new countries that don't speak the language and even that you know oftentimes we're taking in and staying with how in people's houses okay we're in a hotel you like this and then it's everything turns into a joke though because now in modern day in the old hotels you used to have keys you get in you unlock the key you unlock the door with a key that was back in the days when they have phone booths nowadays I say phone booths in my stories and what's a phone booth I go believe me there was fun there actually was we actually had phone booths but I said so I so they give me the magnetized card so I go to my I get there late got through all we go through these big traffic jams and finally hours hours later after the long flights I get there to give you the magnetized key and you ready to just go and lay down and you slide it in and it's red and and they put you up on the kind of what floor you're in it's like you've got your luggage in red so I go down and meet some guy in the hall and he's like shaking his head I said remember the days when we had keys you could actually stick a key in it and get in there he's laughing and he said now it's all so yeah that's the thing the whole time it would be I would never know I would go up there I go up there the second time down red red green every single time it was a whole new adventure with these magnetized things and then they're like did you put it next to yourself no I carefully kept it in the other pocket everything but it was just this thing with the keys and then I was telling him at the thing because the one who was paying for it he said now this hotel you get breakfast with your hotel room stay okay keep that in mind so then I did ever had an appetite anyway but one day I thought I'm just gonna go and get a cup of tea or something and so I looked and everybody was giving a little voucher and I thought that's kind of odd for a free thing and I went up to go to the checkout this I went over there and they said oh yeah you have to pay for it do they said it was free so I was sharing that in the gathering it's like every single thing you just it's like oh you accept whatever it is oh yeah it's this way you don't have it you end up I didn't ever had anticipation that the magnetic that the door was actually gonna open you have to go up there and you just kind of look around the hall but you don't it's even something that simple as putting a card in you don't you don't you just go like this red but it would be sometimes too for you know just so was just perfect practice it now that all things be exactly as they are that all things be that's like the day you had today it was just the one lesson all things be exactly as they are and try to figure it out let all let all things be exactly the hour just so just because you keep getting sent up in the elevator with a bag and with a seeming key code card that doesn't mean anything nothing that's just what you're doing that's just what's happening it's irrelevant I just keep thinking George was to open and I can see oh my god it's so great like it's like it's the tension is you just thought there was an outcome even as simple as all these setups it looks like that's even this idea that the healing is supposed to have any idea any thought that they're supposed to be released forgiveness something any thought like that becomes concrete for torture it's just you get so many opportunities when we finally got set up to do the talk you know they had held my candle like they gave me a shirt Mike and then getting it up and then to get it to stay perky pointed up this way and I look down look down there look down look down just like drew and they have a little safe a little clip or something like a safety pin or something so then finally okay test test test test but I would speak it would be on and would go on and off and on and off and one time it had done this during the thing and they said the batteries up this time I'm getting ready to start the talk and it's it's doing this thing on and off the guy comes out and he says no no it's good it's got a fresh battery it's good it's good so we start the thing it's it's on and off for like 10 minutes I'm talking you know where it's magnified and not magnified magnified and not yeah whoever's editing those films they find that part in there and then finally I but I just went along this was talking magnified not magnified not I couldn't distract it it's you can't expect that the microphone's gonna stay on you can't expect these things there's no point in even giving a thought like I'm just gonna speak as if it's there is no microphone and then after 10 minutes the guy comes out it's not working yeah that's why and so they said you need to use a handheld mic just put it to the floor but there's just little things I got so deep into attack thoughts at one point talking about how do you release attack that's why I said I said you have to realize that that attack thoughts are any judgments that are positive or negative not just the negative ones but the positive ones the compliments are the same as the criticism so people scratching their head and one guy said oh such resistance when you start talking about that positive thoughts are the same as the negative thoughts it's you know so I said yeah it's like any compliment around form of the body I said yeah you know you've got nice hair I like your hair I don't like your hair I like your shirt I don't like your shirt I like your pants I don't like your pants I started going there was a woman in there must have been in the course for like 20 some years you know and she just was just looking at me while I'm going way down into the positive thoughts are the same as the negative thoughts and then at the very end of the gathering she waits till the very end after I've given talk for like 15 minutes on this topic and she goes I like your shirt okay that was the end of that all I did was okay that was I'm just here sharing a presence and so then after the gatherings over people are milling around and everything and I shared in that example that that you you know you get both sides you have to see they're both the same that's the whole lesson and so people were milling around gathering over somebody talking to me and then she goes oh and by the way I don't like your shirt aha there we are there's the other there's the dented beetle you know there it is coming around it's just wait the like and the dislike positive and the negative but it's the big distraction of the world to go for the positive seek the positive and avoid the negative every day because each seek seek more the positive avoid avoid the negative not seeing that they're both the same again another day police person let's try this again here's the lesson seek the positive avoid the negative and that that still has to do with trying to think you know what's going on you can figure you know what's positive you know what's positive that you can figure anything out yeah so we've been married for 50 years and then one person goes another because it's not a good or bad thing you don't know and you'll never know because it's it's not understandable but nothing of this world everything just everything just completely taken care of but it's like yeah just to be a leaf in the river that's that's all we're you know make it obvious and to be a leaf in the river where you just have not a clue and yeah so that's great it's great heading towards an airport not having a clue whether you're on the plane or yeah but it's just with every single thing you just have to stay in that we always talk about chance the gardener or Magoo to stay in the Magoo mind that's really that's more the advanced I'm training it's just to be totally Magoo 100% Magoo then you're you're totally invulnerable to an expectation you're really invulnerable to the script because you're writing simultaneously and you're in that absolute cluelessness with everything it's an empty mind what's coming or care really it just felt so much love to I just felt there was so much love and care in that being carried it's a beautiful symbol of beautiful reminder of that how how cared for we are when we're in that place it's just total surrender I think that's been helpful that symbol to travel for many of these countries where I don't speak the languages don't understand things then it's almost like that's like an invitation to me like just come even deeper into that trust yeah yeah sometimes maybe it's a little child when you get a little whiff of this world and you see all these adults big adults around everything they're all moving around they seem to have such important things to do and the help dressed up and they do all these crazy things and you're just looking in this going God my God like this is a mess I got myself into and you're just a kid you're just a tiny little body and you're looking at all you think I can't even imagine getting into whatever that is and yet all your messages as you move forward from there are you have to get it to that and part of you is just going like that is not appealing at all it was pretty strong in me education school without feeling and you know I mean just the rules of the strange weird place and you don't do that and then you're supposed to kind of get into that is just that's normal and as if you can actually fit into it and then once you I mean the message is just hammer it hammer hammer hammer day in day out you know and you've seen that no other option nobody's showing up saying that it's just a dream don't give it a thought you know and then you you finally start to get into it and then you finally start getting to this thing we think oh God I'm something suggesting or adapting here you finally start to take on personal responsibility now you've been tricked into being a person tricked into survival tricked into do the right thing tricked into pleasing people tricked into having future goals tricked into having ambition tricked into the whole lie and then and being told now you're adjusting now you're good you just bought this big lie and now the messages are getting hammered that's good that's good that's good you're just normal developing progressing human being responsible it's good you're responsible that's good so you're you're hammered that personal responsibility is good and at some point now you've got it now shift back to that little childlike thing it wasn't buying it in the first place but it's been so ingrained hammered in personally responsible personally responsible personally responsible so when I meet people that they will open up their hearts and they will just say well I'm I'd be home free and happy as you are except for this this this and those they just speak their tethers they speak their chains you know they come right up and they speak them out and I don't know there's just something to me that's just once just pour out to them and just go no those things can not hold you back at all and and then all these kind of symbols and metaphors of no it's not the prison that you think you're in is not really what you think it is and and just almost like stepping some ideas that they could start to begin to go because they don't really see a way out they're so in they're so just circumscribed by these false responsibility personal responsibility is that they don't think there's actually hope of an escape from them they're just trying to figure a way to try to have a little more wiggle room but they don't actually believe they can get out of the chains but that's yeah so for me it's like just being with the being with the being with them I mean one says no I have a child and I said but my word Hillary Clinton said it takes the village it takes the village maybe you'll have symbols of other caregivers coming in this you know you don't have to even personally feel responsible for raising a child or it's the weight of the personal responsibility with whatever the job streets of the year the children or whatever the tether seem to be it's like no so it turns into it's that seemingly being thrust against the rocks is is like now you're like unwinding from that heavy heavy hammering heavy conditioning is so reinforced you know that you have to do something even to get out of it and that's not even true ultimately you don't really have to do anything it just seems to play itself out but it's more of just yeah every time we get thrust against the rocks it's more just by taking a step back and saying what is it what is it that I'm still clinging to or holding to or identifying with this really that takes you right to the core of the tether what is it that I'm really still identifying with what's thought that you can't be the thinker of this thoughts what a doer of those actions is absolutely impossible but the convincing job it's just it's just been so strong how it's going the other way feels like almost a willingness to shout help instead of trying to avoid rocks instead of trying to keep shouting help just calling it beyond this this anything of the known and just like a loud it like a rushing into just that would be what I don't know there will be the difference this throwing it completely open there's always a there's some sense of handling always yeah yeah heavy conditioning with autonomy that's like the first kind of reaction to handle it on one's own that's supposed to be this great thing that you finally achieve and mature and you can handle the world in the world's terms really it's nothing actually you know it's hell but it's talked about as if it's heaven and then the ones that seem to be successful in the world successful still confident they've got it all together you know this price removed from reality not even close to reality and those are the successful ones and there's chinks in the armor there's cracks this that's controlled and manicured and everything as it is why it's a major chinks in that armor and then it's yeah it it's never pretty yeah it's such a watching just to stay in I hopped into a camp on the way to the mountain climbing and again it's all going on Portuguese sharp I can feel the sharp conversation back and forth back and forth back and forth back and forth it's like a Chinese ping-pong game and the cab is a movie this is like this is all interaction inside the cab and everything and then such swash wash wash wait wait I believe I've just a part of the string that's not moving so I'm just bobbling there Portuguese is going out of the cab not moving we're in a cab but who says cabs are supposed to move when you get in them right just for sure so I'm in the cab and it's all that's going on the cab is not moving and the cab was really firm and and then I'm after like two minutes of this then she looks up to me she says she opens the door we're getting out of the cab and then she explains to me that the cab driver were going up to this high mountain and the cab driver is insecure about taking his cab up away from the city up that high and she said so she said it was good it was a good exchange she said because she said he he was forthright and he she was very glad that he was transparent about his insecurities and you know we wouldn't want to be going up in the cab with somebody that didn't really want to be going there but she was also asking me so she said so this we don't we just accept it right and we don't push I said yeah that's exactly exactly it because that was the that was the thing and it happened again it seems like there was a series of those events and she's like looking like what's the lesson in this and I said yeah we don't push we don't push no matter what we don't push we can afford not to push in this this state of being she's like yeah I like this but still it was there's no missing of you know it was back and forth it was it was almost like an exposure of insecurities and so forth it had to take place but it still was not affecting you know anything that seemed to transpire at all yeah it also comes back to this it's so subtle because it's always around time like people that go to Mexico and they they go whoa the perception of time is so different in Mexico and then they'll say yeah and be when somebody tells you mañana mañana they don't mean tomorrow they mean not now that's all manana means is not now which is great because the Bible said let your yeah be a let your Navy name so if somebody asks somebody for can you do a service for me can you do this can you do can you promise me something around the future the Bible Jesus says it's your yeah but we're not supposed to promise make promises for the future really because it's a trick it really isn't there we're promising something that is hypothetical so it's not even there so I like that manana manana means not now it's it's no if you ask somebody can you do this for me and they go manana manana it means no it's very simply no which is good I like that they're being direct but that's their language if you interpret it mean tomorrow you're in trouble then it's hell if you think there is a tomorrow then it's hell but and you think you've made a promise now somebody has to keep their word on it then it's hell you know help is on the way I think Byron Katie one time he said help is on the way is hell and no one's coming no one's coming that's it help is on the way you see how different that is from the help is on the way in the future it's like good and no one's coming we're screwed but it's actually everything the world is backwards and upside down it's deep but it's all makes sense from you see it's all backwards I went over to the Canary Islands to visit my friend Susanna Ortiz one time and she kept telling me before I went she said oh there's a couple that wants you to marry them over here on the island and so when I got there she said oh come let's do some talks with David so we're talking talking apparently the night before the wedding I was giving a whole talk on the present moment love is present so all it is it's love is right now and I didn't know it but the bride in the groom were in the audience so I get my whole talk on it's just present as present as present and I could say yeah if you ever get married and I don't even know that I'm marrying who I'm marrying the next day it's always blind but so I said if you ever get married the best vowel really the only value you want to take if you want to really be in the truth and be a line with truth is I love you now that's the value you can make so sure enough we get the next day and the brides all dressed up and the groom they come out and they said have you prepared your vows they're both those became English but I had to translate they said yes we have one bow we were at your talk last night and I love you now that's they've got so they exchanged the vow the vow I love you now and I said yeah you know it's if you really understand what this means you know that you have no future together it just flips everything around but in the most striking ways we're like with the marriage people the bride will sometimes say I spent my whole life dreaming and visualizing one day and then the pressure is enormous on that day spend years and years visualizing however you've got to be and how it's got to look they make movies they make comedies out of that day going I mean there's so many good ones but I do like time travelers wife because the groom literally he dissolves away and then the best man is trying to make excuses you know and then he comes in the door but he's from a difference so he's got a little bit of gray and when he goes down the aisle the father the bride looks but that's really playing they had and then on the wedding night that's got to be your all-time no expectations saying they're on the wedding night they're bouncing up and down prior to having sex the first on the wedding night just after getting married and she's laying there waiting for him and she's just so happy she closes her eyes and just his clothes come down on her nobody on the wedding night I thought that's a good movie that movie is more than expecting sex on the wedding night expecting a body in the bed with you on the wedding night or a body at all in the room with you that's a that was a good movie for for laying inside expectations what the fast-track marry a time traveler never know whether they're there or not there or gone when they'll be around that was perfect though that was on the wedding day it rained and stopped and stopped and nobody knew what would happen or because we were going to do it down the points but not in the rain but then it was rain and stuff so we just were trusting and going through the whole day that's a great thing because you drove down the parking lot and I was getting a little like cheese but it was gonna happen to you and I don't know what and you got a car and you gave me a big smile and I said that's a moment to a moment thing I guess you know just kind of calling me but down it was nice yeah there was you could feel all the letting go of expectations right there on the wedding day it's funny the things that seem so important in this world you know then you start to get this deeper context like it's still the same lesson like being a leaf in the river it doesn't matter what it is marriage graduation birthdays so-called big events sacred days afternoon it's it's a it's a message from a Hawaii credit union flashing the hurricane has passed