Our next speaker is going to be Dr. David Toledo. Dr. Toledo is a rangeland specialist with the USDA ARS Center in Mandan. His research focuses on ecosystem health evaluation, the human dimensions of rangeland management, and finding ways of optimizing landman management practices under changing climate and land use scenarios. David's work has resulted in improvements in rangeland sampling techniques used in the NRI data set in the integration of pasture land and rangeland monitoring and assessment methods, and in determining the social ecological factors affecting the use of prescribed fire in Texas and North Dakota. David also has done a lot of work, not only in U.S. but also in Mexico, Peru, Chile, Columbia, and Kazakhstan. Dr. Toledo's title today is Landowner Perceptions of an Invasive Grass in the Northern Plains of the U.S. Let's welcome David. Thank you, and thank you very much to the organizers for putting together such a great program and for accepting my talk Friday. So thank you very much for this last-minute inclusion. So I'm going to talk about research that Kayandra Rajala did as part of her master's thesis. She was at Virginia Tech under Mike Serice, and together we kind of designed this experiment because we wanted to learn more about what was happening with Kentucky Bluegrass and landowner perceptions of Kentucky Bluegrass and whether they were interested in managing for it or not. John earlier mentioned that I was going to talk about fire. This talk is not going to be about fire. Sorry, John. But I look up to John. I want to keep him happy. So I'll give you a quick recap. So Kayla Bendel, who was a master's student here at NDSU, she was working with Tori Hovick. She did work on perceptions of fire here in North Dakota. We put together a survey. And one of the interesting things she found was that as opposed to what we originally thought, not everyone in North Dakota is opposed to fire. So there is some willingness to burn. But there's some major barriers to getting those burns done. And those burns had to do with a lack of knowledge, access to resources, and those resources mainly included labor during burning days and equipment. And we propose that the creation of prescribed burn associations would be a really good step forward towards reducing those barriers. Summary of that talk. So now onto this one. So as we've heard, there's been plenty of research that shows Kentucky Bluegrass has increased and national resource inventory data show that it's invaded more than 50% of the acre sample in both of the Dakotas. We've heard, we've actually seen this graph too, how that invasion kind of, like we start getting those homogenized ecosystems, we start losing a lot of those ecosystem services that these grasslands provide. And as Kentucky Bluegrass starts invading, the perception is not that negative. We see that, that we still have lots of forage for animals, they're still habitat. Everything is okay, those lower levels of invasion. This is a C3 species, as I think we all know. But then as land gets more invaded with Kentucky Bluegrass and you get hit by a drought or really high temperatures, those perceptions start to change and people realize that they have nothing to feed their animals. Because now all you have is that C3 species not a lot of diversity, so if you actually reduce the length of your grazing season. So it is a big problem and remember this as we kind of go through the data on the human dimensions because it will matter that level of invasion and can be showed to the, in terms of management, that level of invasion matters. One important thing is that even though talk about burning and different management practices, once you start getting that invasion of bluegrass, not everyone is going to be willing to have different management treatments. And there's different ecological, social, economic factors of either managing or not managing these areas. And those all have to be taken into account when you kind of propose different treatments to landowners. And in particular, like prescribed fire, big social barriers in terms of what I spoke earlier about some of those barriers to adoption of fire. So in 2018, we decided this survey to look at the different acceptability and management intentions towards management of an invasive grass in North Dakota. So, and we talk about invasive grass, not just Kentucky bluegrass or smooth brome, even though those are two important grasses, we wanted to broaden it to any invasive species to just kind of get a broad view of invasive species in general and see how that acceptability of an invasive grass would affect those management intentions. So our objective was to understand how changes in ecosystem services relate to landowners' acceptance of and management intentions for invasive grasses. Again, invasive grasses in general, not just Kentucky bluegrass, not just smooth brome, but we did have questions embedded within this survey about Kentucky bluegrass mainly. And we'll go with the results of that in a bit. So what we did was create a transit across North Dakota. We sampled nine different counties. Each of these nine counties, we try to send 142 different surveys to landowners who had 1,000 acres or more of land. And this was a survey that we sent out about 10 changes, 40-something questions. If you were one of the landowners who responded to that survey, thank you very much. And so our actual sampling frame was about 1,278, I believe, total male surveys that got sent out. And we got a response of about 509 surveys, which was fairly decent, but not as great as we would have wanted to. Actually, sample size 1,219. So I said 278, but there were surveys, address had changed, people had moved, things like that. So some of those surveys weren't deliverable. So our effective sample size ended up being 1,219. So what we did was we did a vignette, factorial survey experiment, which was embedded within this survey. So the survey in general was asking about those management intentions and acceptability of the grass. But we did this little experiment where we had vignettes that varied in level of acceptability of these different phenomena. And the phenomena that we were interested were the seven ecosystem services. And we varied the level at which the seven different ecosystem services affected their grassland. So this is just an example of one of the vignettes. We had four different, or we had several different vignettes, but landowners in one survey only answered to four of these different examples. So there were several different versions of the survey that got mailed out to each land, or to different landowners. So in this vignette, we talk about new grass species expanding onto your native range lands and based on current scientific research and best available information from other landowners. You know that once this grass establishes and then you go into the different ecosystem services and kind of gauge that. And I'll show you in a little bit what the different ecosystem services were and the level of variability in that. So we already saw. So for each vignette, the landowners were asked to rate the acceptability of that invasive grass on their land and then whether they intended to manage, they would intend to manage that invasive based on that level of acceptability. So the seven ecosystem services that we looked at were forage availability, forage quality, forage quantity, floral resources, water availability, grassland bird diversity and grass diversity. All of them have three different levels of variation from a kind of normal, less than normal and above except for forage availability, which just had spring, summer and late summer forage availability and grass diversity also kind of was a different pattern where you had significantly less, somewhat less and no change. But for all the others, you had less, no change and more. So basic results, we had a 32% response rate. Even though we had about 509 responses, only 207 responded to the whole vignette survey experiment. So our sample size for the survey, for the factorial survey experiment was 207. We had pretty good coverage across the whole area, east to west. And if you noted before in that transit, east to west on the east side, you had mostly cropland producers. And as you move west, you start getting more into that integrated crop and livestock and more livestock towards the west. So we were trying to target that whole range of variability in terms of management and landowner types. Most of the, of our respondents were full-time producers or agricultural producers. And a lot of their income came from their operations. And a lot of them, like most of the uses were concentrating livestock, crops, and then crop and livestock. So our conceptual framework for the models that we did were we had the seven ecosystem services and we changed the levels of those ecosystem services based on those vignettes to rate acceptability of invasive grass. And then that acceptability would lead towards management intentions for those invasive grasses. So not surprisingly, mixed models approach kind of found that as level of acceptability changed, it explained a lot of the variance in management intentions. So in other words, the more unacceptable our grass was found, the more intentions to reduce or manage that grass. Makes a lot of sense, pretty straightforward. I would have expected this anyway, but it's good to see that it does follow what we had predicted in our conceptual framework. Then we look at the acceptability of all ecosystem services. And we found that significant correlation between that acceptability and those ecosystem services. And we saw that if invasive grass came in and did not affect an operation, did not affect the status quo, and you did not see any changes in any of the other ecosystem services, it would be found as slightly acceptable. So we use that as a baseline where it's slightly acceptable. And once we had that baseline, what we did was look at each one of the ecosystem services and the vignettes and kind of how tweaking each one of those ecosystem services would change that acceptability. So for the one on top here, we see that if the seven ecosystem services are maximized, like we're seeing the best that we could see after this grass invades and we're actually seeing increases in ecosystem services, it was found to be slightly acceptable. But if that invasive grass comes in and it reduces all ecosystem services, it was found extremely unacceptable. So there's kind of a, it's not very symmetric there in terms of whether the max benefits versus max losses and kind of this led us to come up with an idea that a lot of the management that's happening is more reactive than proactive. So landowners are reacting to those losses more than to gains. So once they see that ecosystem services on their land are being greatly affected, they are more likely to actually change versus thinking ahead and trying to manage ahead of time. And as we saw with Kami's talk, if you wait till it's fully invaded, you might not see the results you want to see once you start applying those management treatments. And when we look at whether it benefits forage, if the invasive grass that comes in produces some forage that will keep the full length of your grazing season in terms of the C3 kind of early in the season and then having some forage later in the season, it was found to be just slightly more acceptable than the baseline. If it hurts forage, then it was unacceptable. If it benefits forage, hurts birds and pollinators, it was a little less acceptable than the baseline. And if it benefits forage, hurts everything else, fairly unacceptable. And then we plot Kentucky bluegrass and how it has changed different ecosystem services. And we found that it was found to be barely unacceptable compared to that baseline. Then we look at that graph I showed earlier and kind of plot where those levels of Kentucky bluegrass fall within that acceptability and willingness to manage kind of graph come out. And you see that at maximum loss, maximum loss here of Kentucky bluegrass, there is definitely a willingness to control or reduce it. But when you move down to moderate, F here, it's kind of neutral, a little bit below neutral, so not that much willingness to reduce or control it. But at early stages, this G, it's towards the acceptable side of neutral. So there's not that much willingness to manage it. And that to me has a kind of important implications in terms of the research that we do and how we kind of get that on the ground. So people are not really, or our respondents are not really keying into those increases in bluegrass. They're kind of like just, it provides forage. And it has some ecosystem benefits for them in terms of forage production. So it's not seen as totally negative. But then again, once you start getting that full invasion of Kentucky bluegrass, where all you have is bluegrass and you get hit by one of those warmer, drier spells and all you have is a C3 grass, then that's when people start realizing, oh, might be too late. I have too much Kentucky bluegrass. So being proactive, really important and kind of promoting that productivity and kind of that early intervention is really important. So in conclusion, ecosystem services are useful to understand the acceptability and management intentions of Kentucky bluegrass. So those seven ecosystem services that we picked were important in explaining this. And we picked those seven based on theory and interviews that Chandra did with many of you here. So thank you very much for that. So those ecosystem services came out as kind of the most salient in terms of those interviews and the ones that landowners would respond to. Again, North Dakota landowners who responded to our survey had a prior to be a loss averse. They're more sensitive to those reductions in ecosystem services than to gains. And at early stages of invasion, Kentucky bluegrass was found to be acceptable and landowners had no management intentions to control it. So again, thank you forward. We know that Kentucky bluegrass is going to keep invading going to keep taking over so we don't do something about it early. We might be in trouble. So acting early being proactive is important and pushing that is important too. With that, I'll take any questions.


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Ukrainian armed forces destroyed a Russian T-90 tank using a handheld grenade launcher, states the general staff of Ukraine. The remnants of the enemy's T-90 tank now lie decaying in the field alongside its crew. Our soldiers eliminated this pride of the enemy's defense industry with a handheld grenade launcher during one of the countless assaults, reported the general staff. The military noted that the scrap metal left from the Russian tank serves as a reminder to the occupiers that the indomitable spirit of the Ukrainian people cannot be broken.It should be noted that Russian tankers are now mostly using more cautious tactics supporting infantry and employing technologies and techniques that implicitly reduce the effectiveness of even highly capable Javelin missiles supplied by the US.This is part of a broader ongoing process of adaptation by Russia's military attempting to correct at least some of its least successful tactics from early in the war. Russian tanks, especially old ones, are also being used as indirect fire artillery. While this use is inefficient due to their low angle of fire, tanks are sufficiently protected to provide indirect support in higher risk areas where artillery and munition supply convoys would be at grave risk of destruction, particularly from aerial attacks or counter-battery artillery salvos. Even the antiquated T-54 and T-62 tanks that Russia has deployed to Ukraine pose a serious battlefield threat when there are a limited number of long-range anti-tank-guided missiles. Their big guns still leave them more effective in many fire support roles than most BMPs with smaller, shorter-range cannons.


to call this meeting to order and I would ask that everybody stay muted if you can during the meeting and if you need to talk just like raise your hand or something that way then if there's any extraneous noise we maybe won't have issues. So we don't have any public do we? I think not. So I guess the first thing is to look at the minutes from the last meeting and if we could do that if anyone has any comments or corrections lay your hand and if not is there a motion to approve the minutes? Motion to approve. Chris and do I have a second? Brighton, second. Great thank you Brighton. So all in favor please wave your hand. Those of you opposed, please wave your hand if you're opposed. Okay so it looks like the minutes for August are unanimously approved and we'll move right on to accessions. Eric if you would give us a little bit. All right so I do have a power point so hopefully that made it to Steph. Great nice. So it's actually a pretty light month this month partly because I just didn't get everything ready because this meeting came up quick but also last month we were catching up from a lot of months of being off so if we could go to the next slide. I'll talk about the first item on the accession list. Still on the first slide is it possible to get the next one? Hey guys we're trying to get to the next slide give us one sec okay sorry about that. The joys of technology. There we are. There we go great. So this is the Dorothy Schlegel collection. Dorothy is now in her 90s lived in Longmont basically her entire life and as she is moving into a different facility doing some downsizing and her family gave us a number of items that she had collected over the years photographs of her family a photo album of the members of of her high school class from 1948 and some things related to her church Christ congregational church which was at Francis and Mountain View and has closed fairly recently and then a few other things related to the family and the Schlegels are a pretty large interconnected family within the Longmont area and they are Russian-German so ethnically German but many of the Russian Germans had moved to the Volga River Valley in Russia in the 1700s retained their German identity and then round the turn of the 20th century as the Russian empire was really changing a lot of them in the United States and a number of them settled in this area so this adds to our documentation of both sort of the middle of the 20th century Longmont and also a prominent Russian-German family. Any questions on the Dorothy Schlegel collection? If not we'll move to the next slide hopefully. All right so this is a single page of a newspaper from South Bend Indiana normally we would not take a newspaper from outside Colorado but in this case this one is actually what I'm guessing was a nationally syndicated story titled The Battle of the Bread Basket it has these seven photos of Longmont residents who were helping out with the harvest during World War II so it's a very interesting element I'm kind of surprised I haven't run into it before but early years of World War II there was a huge labor shortage and this was basically people from the town going out and helping out on on a local farm so a very interesting example of kind of a home front effort and this actually came from the Broomfield Veterans Museum a former staff member of ours works there and was going through some of their materials and and felt it really was more appropriate here so that is why we we have that and you can see it's a little bit folded out we probably would do a what we call a humidification and flattening so it got nice and flat before we finally put it away but any other questions on this World War II air newspaper? All right so these are the only two two um accessions were actually ready to have a vote on so if uh someone would would like to move on that or uh have further discussion um and then we can talk a little bit about some coming accessions. So do I hear a motion to approve these two accessions? I would Dale I would move we approve the accession of the Schlegel uh collection and the newspaper detailing the bread basket for World War II. Great thank you Dale is there a second second this is Ria a second thank you Ria um all in favor wave your hand I don't know I can't see everyone but um all opposed if anyone is opposed unmute yourself and make yourself known because I can't only see four people okay I'm going to assume um based on this that um the uh the two accessions have been unanimously approved so Jen if you see that that's great and then um what else is coming up Eric? And then if we can go back to the PowerPoint for the last slide so if we can go to the next slide now and um I'll talk about some things that um still in process but hoping to have ready um some of them for next time some of them probably for for ones beyond that but um the Peggy Carroll archival collection is one I'm I'm kind of excited about um the Carroll family uh owned a pharmacy in Longmont and someone in the family clearly had a very good eye for photography there's some really excellent photographs in that collection so I should be able to bring that next month um the donors of that collection are actually coming up tomorrow to uh drop off a few more things so I wanted to hopefully get everything together before I presented that to the board um then I wanted to give you all an update on uh effort that we started back in April um that is still ongoing um so when the COVID crisis hit really museums all across the country realized this is something that we need to be documenting and so we've put out a call to the public for anyone who wishes to contribute uh primarily at this point digital photographs because um at the point when we first put out the call we were still closed to the public and even now although we're open um there's definitely I think uh some challenges as far as collecting uh items related to COVID um as far as making sure that they are safe for um for collecting there's been some some recent discoveries that things that the virus stays on objects longer than we thought it did so so at this point we're still just collecting digital photos but we've actually had 10 different people offer us material um not necessarily everything is um gonna really make sense we've had people you know send us photos of their dogs which is well that's nice but I'm not sure how it connects to COVID exactly um so so you know something I'm still kind of going through to figure out what really is um connected to the events we're having now and and certainly still still open for additional donations and then I've been doing quite a bit of documentation and some collecting as well so um that's that's a little bit larger collection but so it may not be ready for next month but hopefully the ones the small ones we've gotten the handfuls of photographs those will be ready and then the last thing and this this may be a little further down the road but those of you that have been on the board for for a while remember that we acquired the collections of uh Longmont Channel 8 when it closed down uh at the end of 2019 um there was also the Channel 8 public access program uh which also closed down at that point those uh videos were actually owned by the individuals that created them and so uh while we have the physical uh videos and and for the older ones DVDs in our possession we need to actually individually approach each owner and see if they're interested in uh bringing them in and so we started do that and then COVID hit and so we really haven't gotten back to that but there's a there's about 20 individuals total that contributed videos not all of them necessarily have a local tie um and I guess that's something I'd be interested in kind of hearing from the board if say a local person made a video about say skiing in Aspen is that something you think we should have because it was made by a local person or is it something we shouldn't collect because it really is about skiing in Aspen so I don't know if anyone has any any thoughts on that I don't know it doesn't sound as much like something that we might want I don't from my point of view um it's a Colorado thing I guess depending on who the person is who produced it I mean if they have some particular relevance or um if there's some you know some noted reason why we'd want whatever it is they had to say I don't know what are you got what did somebody else think and we can probably take away the slide I don't think we need to see you I would say that I agree with Eve it would really only be relevant if the subject matter is relevant to Longmont or the person is someone of note in in Longmont or historically or something like that it seems like some random person making a video doesn't necessarily have much to do with the Longmont Museum if it's not about Longmont I I just had a thought and I haven't had a chance to think through this but is there any value in trying to preserve the entire Channel 8 archives I mean I haven't really thought through this but if this is something that was done for Longmont through the Cable Trust or whatever it was at that time at one time it was Channel 3 and then it was Channel 8 I mean is there some value in preserving everything that was produced by that I have no I have no idea that's a question um so one clarification so this these are videos that were produced by individuals not by the Cable Trust itself but then basically given a copy to Channel 8 to air as part of their public access program okay thanks for that clarification Eric because I wasn't sure if it was part of the whole thing or so thank you anybody else have comments or questions about how we might feel about them go ahead you need to unmute yourself Tom so I'm I'm not real clear then through the Channel 8 those archives there was a volunteer group that was part of that and these private individuals did a number of filming of different events around Longmont is that what you're talking about so yeah there was a group of volunteers they were basically all through the Channel 8 public access program where essentially anyone could produce a video and then offer it to Channel 8 for airing and some of those videos were filmed here in Longmont and some of them were done by people who had a particular interest say they they were interested in I think there's one on a particular type of doll and they they did a lot of research and filmed the video on I don't remember maybe the Russian nesting dolls we'll say I'm not sure that's what it actually is but so you know their their video doesn't necessarily relate directly to Longmont history but it was produced by someone here locally but there are but there are some videos that do pertain to Longmont directly yes and those those I feel like are a little more straightforward to look at and say it certainly makes sense to bring those to the board but some of these others are a little more like well you know I just wanted your you all's thoughts on whether as Dale mentioned whether we wanted to keep the entire corpus of everything or you know document the video video making in Longmont even if the the particular subject matter is not a Longmont specific subject so if the if the doll video has to do with some of the dolls that we have already in the collection does it make sense to keep it for that reason yeah that's that's a good point I will check on that one and see if it's a type of it's not any of the actual dolls owned by the museum but I would certainly check and see if it does relate to dolls that are in our collection so is there a deadline to say whether yes or no on the acceptance of all the videos or are they just kind of in storage somewhere waiting to be well what we will need to do as staff is if we feel like yes we want to proceed with a donation then we would contact each of the producers and see if they are willing to donate them the the way that the public access work is public access just got the right to show them on channel eight so essentially there's no we don't really have any any rights to them beyond viewing them for for potential use in the collection so we'd want a little more rights before we'd be able to accept them so and if there's somewhere we just feel like there's there's not any Longmont tie then we probably just wouldn't contact those folks at all so just trying to make sure we don't so you have an actual inventory of titles of these videos we do there are I believe over 200 videos in the inventory everything from you know very short 30 second clips all the way up to you know multi hour long programs sure so now you have something to watch when you're eating lunch that's great yeah and of course the the channel eight collection itself the the video is actually produced by channel eight is about 30 more boxes of videotapes DVDs etc so so we've also got that collection as a as a separate item and we actually did just recently get a grant to start digitizing that collection so we'll start to be able to see what some of these old videos have on them should be really interesting or I hope so just won't know until you try great um any other upcoming things Eric um those are those are kind of the main ones so the the Peggy Carroll collection you should see next month and probably a good bit of the COVID first round of the COVID collection and maybe some of the real you know straightforward parts of the channel eight collection if we managed to get word back from from the owners of that on time so so it may be a longer list next month or it may it may not just depending on how much we managed to get put together in the next month great thank you um Kim would you like to tell us the state of the museum well I sure I would you guys I think got the director's report in the packet that Joanne sent out um and it occurs to me that there's a lot of of information here that also appeared in last month's report but um I want to kind of go over it um because there's some more details I think that we can go through um the and that administrative part um we talk again about the scfd tier two qualification um and right now what they are projecting is that we're going to get 125 thousand dollars as a result of the the um the bump from tier two in scfd um and that's the scientific cultural facilities district for those who might not know about it um that's a taxing district that we are a part of um and we've been receiving about 20 thousand dollars a year through that um revenue source but with this bump into a different tier we're going to be receiving more than a hundred thousand dollars more so that's the projection um but I filled in a little bit more of the blanks here that that figure is actually based on the scfd board reducing their tax revenue projections by 30 percent as a result of the coronavirus and what they're actually seeing is more like nine percent reduction and so what I think that means for us is that we're going to end up seeing more than 125 thousand dollars in our distribution from scfd don't know how much but I think that what we can bank on is that we're going to receive at the very least 125 138 dollars and 69 cents but chances are we're going to see a lot more than that I think um and then another thing that happened since we last talked about this is that there was actually a board meeting that I gave a presentation at and um as well as a bunch of other tier two organizations and at that board meeting they actually passed a resolution which was um quite quite a big deal um because of the coronavirus they were really trying to understand how they might be able to maintain all of the different tiers within um the the organization tier one tier two tier three and um and so what they ended up doing is the board passed a resolution earlier uh sorry it's at the end of august and they passed a resolution that would maintain basically exactly what we submitted this year and so all of our revenue project all of our revenues um that we reported for this past fiscal year will remain and the threshold for revenue will remain the same and so what that means for us is that we aren't safely in tier two for the next cycle um so that is a really fantastic um evolution that ended up happening um part of the rationale for doing that is that if all of the tier two organizations fell into tier three then it would really devastate tier three and so they they tried really really hard to figure out a good solution for being able to maintain tier two and therefore maintain tier three so that is really good news for us um that had been kind of the rumor for some time but at that last board meeting they passed that resolution so now that is official word that we will be um we'll we'll maintain our tier two status for at least another year um as you know the way that we maintain that tier two status is that we meet a qualifying revenue threshold every year um that we're part of it and so we will see what that means for years into the future because what we're expecting and what a lot of people are expecting is that we're going to continue to see some um economic impact as a result of coronavirus and so um and it may it may have impact what we need to um submit for the 2022 cycle that would be based on our 2021 fiscal year um and so you know the the jury is out as to what we are going to end up seeing for a 2021 fiscal year um but of course we will do everything we can to meet whatever threshold or you know be able to whatever it is that they come up with they may come up with other kind of way that we would be able to um say in the tier two and and I do think that they are being extremely responsive and resourceful and creative in terms of trying to to figure all of this step out um because the way that they actually calculate the distribution is that they take our qualifying revenue and they take our attendance and there's a fancy calculation that they do in order to come up with the the actual amount of money that we receive from them and so as we have been doing and everybody else has been doing we've been um our only attendance or most of our attendance we've been getting some people through the court but most of our attendance is a virtual attendance and so um the way that they have done it in the past is that it's they actually count paid attendance and so we're not able to count very many paid people right now and so they are developing a task force that is going to look out how to count this virtual attendance um that's going to start this fall and so some more um by the end of the year about how they're going to try to figure out how to count this um virtual attendance that's a really good thing um I think that that we actually um even in terms of our revenue our attendance our paid attendance are uh the programs that we have been able to um transfer to a digital platform I will say the Longmont Museum has done extremely well I am on all kinds of different groups and meetings for municipal museums and we have we have survived this in a way that a lot of other people have not so I think that the staff is really to be commended for all of their terribly terribly hard work for being able to do this but I think that we are going to come out really really well in in comparison to our our um sort of colleagues in the field so that's good news it's not good news for them it's good news for us um and then uh continuing on into the report I think that we've already talked about the fact that we received an NEH CARES Act grant and that was to the point of about $118,000 and we've finally been able to um hire one of the people that we submitted for that grant um in the proposal of that grant and so we have a new digital communication specialist that should be starting on Monday his name is Scott Yolho and so he'll be a full-time position that'll that is going to help us with a lot of this digital um programming um and then we're I think we're going to be hiring another person a halftime person um in addition to that um as you know this was a joint application with the library and so we're going to be buying I think Joanne just bought in fact um the hot spots that are part of that grant proposal as well so those will be um basically a little device that you can check out from the library um that then gives you access to the internet and so that really is an accessibility issue through uh for folks that aren't able to have internet in our home so that's moving forward really nicely so um we're feeling good about the the proposal the project for the grant and then we should be hearing soon hopefully very soon about another grant proposal through the IMLS which basically would take this project and then extend it another 18 months and so hopefully we'll be able to um even even do more of this online program because the reality is this isn't going away anytime soon and I think that um every time we get together to talk about okay so what are we going to do next season for programs what are we going to do next season for programs every time we come to the conclusion that we need to continue to do the online programming it's just not not safe yet uh to think about having good groups of people um and so I think that that it's good to be able to lean on this grant funding for for being able to make this transition we've also got an appeal letter that should be hitting mailbox very soon that hopefully we'll be able to to rely on some of our generous donors to be able to help us adjust through the we we saw some significant hits to our revenue as a result of all of this so even though we're we're doing well by comparison our revenues did take a pretty big hit so we're hoping that this um uh campaign will help fill that gap and then in our education department we also hired an americorps volunteer her name is Courtney Pletcher and this was a position that was actually funded by our friends of the Longmont Museum and so she started on August the 31st and it's really intended the position really is intended to um broaden our reach in terms of our education programs and in terms of some of our community and she's been doing a fantastic job in the very short time that she's been with us so we're super super excited for her call programming started um september the seventh and so we've got discovery days the partnership um and a lot of the the programs through the auditorium what i'll say is that discovery days have been a big hit basically what we've been able to translate this online program is that we put these um parents can buy for their kids and so you buy the kit you got all the supplies that you need you pick a bet at the museum and then you take that home and you have a facilitated craft through the internet with with miss lee those have been a really big hit and we've been um struggling actually to get those kits together in order to be able to provide that for our visitors we have struggled more with the art and that has not been nearly as big a hit as the discovery days and so um the first one we ended up um having um that available for free once it was free people got really interested so those kids flew out the door um and so we're trying to um work a little bit with the cost of that program because i do think that what we saw with that is that people are interested in it they just don't want to pay so much money for it so we're kind of working um through that because it's difficult to provide everything for free um especially under these conditions um but but i think that we see that there is a demand we just have to hit the right spot in terms of the cost that we're going to um charge for it the fee that we're going to let's see we've got um the next slide was the digital communication specialist then we also have um the day of the dead um is also approaching really quickly and i think we talked about a lot about that the last time that we were together that um that's another program that we have shifted to an online platform and i think it's going to be really quite exciting um there's going to be weekly content that's added to the website um that we there's a website um that is specific to the day of the dead um and there's going to be weekly content that's added to that and so i think it's going to end up being a really really wonderful repository of cultural heritage kind of um programs and with that we have also got the kits that we're putting together for kind of an at-home celebration and so if anybody is interested in helping us put together those hits um there are some volunteer opportunities available because we've got a lot of a lot of kits being assembled at the moment um and and what we're finding is that it's making up a lot of time to do that so um i think that we may end up having a soccer team help us out and then there may be another um uh kids group that would help us out and so and maca is coordinating um those volunteer efforts since if any of you are interested in that then um please i can i can get and information for you um let's see i've already told you was there any question you guys interrupt me at any point if you have questions um everybody already told you about the grant that we got um for him to be able to digitize the channel eight collection so that is really good news i should say too that um you know part of what we were able to do when we had to start working from home and and sort of reevaluate what what where are where we were spending our time eric spent a lot of his time doing grant writing and ultimately that i think is going to end up helping us a lot with that cfd as well because even though we weren't seeing admission through the door we were receiving revenue through those grants and so i i i feel like that's part of the reason that we are going to end up looking really really good in the future when it comes to scfd distribution so thanks eric a lot for being able to have it have it is the name of the game these days right so you guys grant to be able to help with that digitizing which is also good because you know it it's two birds with one stone we get the money we're able to record the revenue and we're able to get some of that activity taken care of so that's really great and then let's see we've got his walking course and this is one of the things that we actually are doing in person at the at the moment there's not a lot that we're doing in person these days but eric has been doing some um virtual downtown walking tours and then as you guys know we also have the um the digital version of the walking tour so that we were able to launch and we've had that in english and in spanish and so if you're interested in checking it out you can actually go downtown and go downtown and it's tourlongmont.onsell.com and you can access the what what eric has been doing for a long time basically we translated that to a digital format and of course i don't think we'll see any decrease in the demand for eric because he is our rock star when it comes to that so that's kind of fun and then of course i think that you all know that elizabeth bodewine has left us to go on to the broomfield people museum so she was able to get a full-time position working for them so she's no longer with us and before she left she was able to start us on another addition to those walking tours um the innovative women of longmont and so we're trying to fill in the gaps to get that tour moving forward after elizabeth's departure and then we're going to add yet another one at least one more that will look at the latinx history of longmont and then in terms of exhibitions and terry maker's exhibit has just been de-installed and we're working on the installation of the uh dailas mortis um exhibition so we've already talked about that will basically that exhibit is going to feature half half of the gallery will have the um alters that um you've seen in annually and then we're also going to have half of the gallery dedicated to tony um ortega and so that is um basically drawings from books that he has produced with a collaborator and so we have the original artwork for that and then he's going to do an altar as well and then we also have a collaboration with the um art and public places program to do a downtown mural that he is um he's created for us and that's going to be a community community contribution so again if you're interested in some um additional work we've got some opportunities for being able to paint that mural and and help with the creation of the mural um and so let me know if you're interested in that we can get you signed up we've got some slots available hi Susie um so that we're really excited about as well I I think that that ended up being one of those um coronavirus silver linings that probably that never would have happened had it not been for us having to come up with some alternative plans because of the coronavirus and so I think that it'll be a great kind of enduring um celebration of the um Longmont Museum's 20th and 20th year of celebrating um Dia de los Muertos and so we're super excited about that and it's going to be a very cool um mural so we're cool we're excited about that um the uh exhibits department um has also done some kind of um creative work in terms of filling in for coronavirus um needs and so they made um these plexiglass barriers and at this point they've got well over 70 of them that they have designed and have manufactured for um different kind of customer service desks throughout the city and so we continue to get requests for those as buildings are opening up and um we have other needs for those so the museum has been a really good resource for being able to to build that need um we've got let's see um a couple of interns that are working in the exhibit department we'll have a couple of interns uh one's working for um art in public places and one is working for the um auditorium programs you may have seen that cu has actually issued a stay at home order for students and so what we're having to do more pivoting and I think we're going to actually ask those students to stay home and see if they can do some work from home but at this point it doesn't seem safe to um to have them at the museum at the moment and so we're going to we're going to do the best that we can to keep them occupied with something meaningful but I think probably um for the foreseeable future for at least another couple of weeks we'll we'll ask them to to work from home so that we're not exposing everyone else at the museum to what might be happening on on campus at cu um we do I think everybody knows that we um shelved the tp to tiny house exhibition that we had planned on opening this summer and so we had to shuffle things around um in terms of trailers and and storage and so that was a huge amount of work for staff and so that was taken care of we've also got some photos um that we've shifted around in the Kaiser c space and so the admissions department been working on that um and then we're busy also working on um kind of finalized plans for um the impressionism exhibit that's going to be um rolling out in early next year so we've got a new title for that which is enduring impressions and so that exhibit is coming together really really nicely we've got program programs um that are really I think quite robust we're very excited about some of the the new things that we are launching we've got um you guys may have for even participated in the face concert um which was a a collaboration with the ldda um and I think that they are very thrilled with that partnership um and they're very thrilled with having the ability to rely on on the expertise that we basically developed over the summer concert series and so I think that ended up being a really great uh collaboration um we do have two rentals one was yesterday or today I can't remember very recently um we had um Dolan and associates and then we've got um a law firm that did uh that is going to do um a retreat and so it's slow but I think we are getting some rental activity very small very safe um everybody's masked everybody is um maintaining social distance and so certainly we're not opening these up to big events at this point we are starting to see a little bit of the frequent filer filer liars excuse me event on September the 10th was quite a good um turnout I think we ended up with 100 people and 90 of those were paid and so that was actually a really good turnout for that event and um I think again another success in terms of the way that we um we are able to accommodate people under these conditions what we did is basically had people um in small groups kind of rotate through the galleries and the atrium and the uh courtyard um and then we had um a second round of those people come through so small people in in various spaces at any given time um so being creative in ways that we can pull these things out and then we've got some um on the 17th tomorrow we've got another uh event happening that'll be live streamed that's the voices of change the history of race with social justice in um Longmont and that's a collaboration with lmac um and I think that that's another um kind of creative um uh change excuse me change that we've been able to do that we've got these social justice events that are on the horizon um and then clear parker robinson event uh on september the 24th so we've got some really really exciting things that I think are on the horizon and those were services we've hired a new front desk person we um had uh someone um took a took a position and so left during the coronavirus and so we were able to refill that position which was really good and so they they've just recently started from Caden Stice and then we've also got I think you all know this but um we're still operating under our reduced um hours which is nine to three Tuesday through Saturday and that really is in order for us to be able to make sure that we are accommodating the cleaning schedule that we need to maintain and um so that is largely based on our janitors um the editorial staff's ability to be able to do that cleaning and so um that may change as um in terms of uh um being able to rely on um contract staff um so we're kind of what we've got it on the docket to talk about it our next staff meeting about if by how long we're going to have to maintain those reduced hours but really that's that's based largely on us being able to maintain a cleaning schedule that is um per hour opening uh documentation that we would have approved by the county um let's see we've been sending out a lot of postcards and so the front desk staff has been very very busy helping us label um those postcards to send out so you may see the front desk days and the Thursday nights at the museum um and then we do hope even though you know again we're we're pretty um uh limited in terms of the number of people that um we've been seeing through the door the day that that actually does um offer a lot in the gift shop and it tends to be a really big revenue source for us in the gift shop um and so we are hopeful that we'll still be able to see some um some activity in the gift shop through some of those sales so we we've got some things ready to go for that and then um art and public places we've got the 2020 shop art program that's well underway and we've already got one that's completed and approved um and there's several other others that are on the docket for that um Angela and Eileen um have attended the prime gov training which is part of the um shift that's happening um with city council and the city manager's office and so this is going to be able to help um I think with uh some of these meetings so we will we may see some of that um impact through um the advisory board as well um which is basically just a management system for some of those um uh agendas and things like that and then also the final one on the list is that AIP submitted their annual report that was presented to city council a couple of weeks ago now and so that's something that is required um for the the um ordinance for art and public places and so they that was um presented to um to city city council basically detailing all of their accomplishments from the previous year and so that was a good accomplishment for them any questions I feel like I'm happy I just had a comment um I I too think that the museum staff has done an incredible job of turning you know what was in person um activities into digital or you know virtual uh virtually supported things I mean it's I've been very impressed with all the different things that have been offered and so I think we can all be proud of that very smart talented people that are staff at the museum so I was in um the long map multicultural action committee meeting on Monday and someone said to me that they felt like the long map museum was being a leader in the field that we have been so responsive and so creative that we really have become a leader in the field and I I think that's absolutely true and it's because the staff is has been very very hard working cool um I don't have any reports um as the chair and I don't think we have any old business anybody who thinks is something that we didn't didn't cover uh let me know is there any new business any comments okay everybody's tired of me all right um if there aren't any other comments then um I will I think that it's time to adjourn the meeting do we have um anyone like to move that we adjourn sure thank you tom second bryden all second thank you bryden um all in favor hi hi opposed we have unanimously agreed to adjourn the meeting as of I think that's 5 20 thank you all good to see all of you thank you good to see you as well thanks gang bye bye bye everybody thank you nicole thank you staff again thanks everybody thank you have a good welcome thank you


We dodged the bullet, I think, the way we shot the ball, the way we left a ton of points on the board. But I will say our defense was good. I thought overall, really good defensive performance that saved us. But obviously, we left a ton of points on the board. You doubled up your average free throw attempts in one night in this game. But how concerning were the missed free throws? Mike, I don't know how that goes. We have been shot free throws great all year, quite honestly. And a little concerning right now, we're not shooting a ball well from the perimeter either. So I will say we are driving it. We made a conscientious effort to drive the ball in the second half and obviously got rewarded at going to the free throw line. Looks like you had a lot of good looks. I mean, a lot of them, I assume, were the shots that you wanted, just missing wide open throws. Absolutely. But when you're leaving those points on the table, especially in the first half, we had a ton open looks and couldn't convert them, wide open looks. And then I think in the second half, it was more of the free throws. Obviously, something happened there. I'm not sure what. You've responded to a three game losing streak though with a three game winning streak now. So how promising is that? Yeah, I think we all knew this was a big week for us. Well, very important. Obviously, it's two home games. And this was circled on our calendar game. You've got a game you have to get. So mission accomplished. Now we have obviously a bigger game Monday against a team we're competing with our first playoff spot. Jared Allen with the double, double. I know you don't necessarily want your players getting technicals, but seeing his scrappiness, what was your take on aggressiveness tonight? Yeah, especially don't like Spencer getting technicals. So that's a story for another day. But I thought Jared Allen was fantastic tonight. I thought John Collins is an absolute, one of the most aggressive players in the league, athletic. He comes at you. I thought Jared did not back down at all and saved us with his offensive rebounding. Saved us with his finishing and the pain. Great game for him. Is there anything tactically that you done when you were down like I think 105, 101 down there? I think we used his own a little bit. We blitzed Trey Young a couple times, double teamed him. They still, you know, they got an open shot out of it, but we didn't want him to shoot kind of in crunch time. But he made the right place. We were double teaming him and he threw it out. And again, they had some open looks that they didn't convert. Would you think Spencer's defense on that last one? Pretty good. Pretty good. Yeah, just getting it out of his hands. We were actually switching in that situation. And J.A. switched out on him. And Spencer still followed Trey Young when he was supposed to switch. So you know how that goes. Like I do not want that guy to score. And Joe helped on the backside when Collins rolled. That left Werder wide open. And I thought Vince got a good look. He was open. Brody got a good contest, but good play by them. Speaking of Brody, he said that his slump was partly because of fatigue. Since he's been in the starting lineup, what have you seen in his resurgence? I don't know what neighborhood he grew up in, Lafayette, but that's a tough neighborhood. Because that's a tough dude. Like he might not look the party. He looks like a choir boy, good looking choir boy. But he's him and Collins were going at it all game. Two guys competing. He doesn't back down from everybody. And that's Brody from day one, like no fear. He has no fear and doesn't fear the situation. I thought he hit a huge three off to dribble when we were really struggling. Couldn't find a bucket. Like I said, he's fearless. He hit a ton of shots today. But it seemed like every shot he hit, they were on like a 6-0 or a 9-2 run every single time he hit a shot. He is saving us a little bit right now. I think his play has been huge since we put him at the four spot. I think he's really responded well. And I don't think we win these games without him. If there's been a common denominator, it's been the improvement of the defense over the last three games in general, hasn't it? I thought another really solid defensive performance tonight. The rebounding, I don't know. I didn't look at the stats. I still feel like that's an Achilles heel. I feel like we're making teams miss, but not coming up with the rebound. But listen, they're top five in the league and rebound a very, very athletic team. Coach, obviously, it's been a while since you've been here. And it's a whole different group on the floor. But when you see the night that John Collins and Trey Young had tonight, have you seen the future of this? I see a bright future for them. They got some really good young players. I love that they surrounded them with some veteran guys, bays. And obviously, Vince, that's similar to the model we had. Get high character guys, young guys that are willing to get better. Lloyd's doing a great job helping those guys improve. That team's going to be a force in the future.


We'll get started. This session will be about contributing to OpenStack. First of all, I apologize for my voice. I lost some time yesterday. Don't remember exactly when. This, in the first part, I'll introduce topology of the different types of contributions and why some are more interesting than others. As this summit proves, OpenStack is now a giant ecosystem that has attracted a lot of different companies. And at the heart of this ecosystem is the OpenStack project. And those projects only exist through the contributions of the companies and individuals. Because OpenStack is an open innovation project, which means an open source project where multiple companies will contribute as equals to a common independent technical plan. In this type of setting, it's not really the producers on one side and the consumers of the software on the other side. It's not us versus you. It's really we are all in it together. And I was quoted as saying, you should not ask what OpenStack can do for you. You should ask what you can do for OpenStack. Because the best way of making the resources to make it happen. I worked for Linux distributions before. And it's quite difficult for consumers of the distributions to become producers of the distro. Because the barrier of entry is quite high. It's difficult to learn all the distribution policies, all the languages that are involved in distribution packaging is too far away. Users of the distro are actually confronted to. That's something I wanted to really fix early on in the OpenStack project, make it really easy to contribute tricks. The first one is using the Python language. But it's also very friendly to the population of users we have, which are mostly systems administrators. So they can look into the code when it fails and see why it fails and then propose a bug fix. So it's really easy for them to go from consumers of the software to become a producer as well. The other part of it is based on what we call the four opens that you might have already seen, actually licensed, we're discussing we hold no meetings in private. These are the design summits that are happening during this OpenStack summit, where everyone that wants to contribute a new feature or wants to work on something for the next six months will be able to confront these ideas with other developers. It's open development, that is every change that is proposed to one of the OpenStack projects will end up in our code review system. And that includes infrastructure changes. So this is public, you can actually see why changes are accepted or insights to this. So it's really an extremely transparent process and inclusive process for people to turn from consumers of the software to producers of the software. In the rest of my ways to look at it, one way is the core services that we deliver. That's far from being the only project called the library project. There is an OpenStack common, soon to be renamed access those core services. We have what we call the gating project. Every change that is proposed to one of the OpenStack projects ends up triggering what we call the gate, which is a series of tests. Make sure that you didn't break anything in the process of proposing that change. So there is all the gate infrastructure, all the software we're using to deploy OpenStack in that setting. You can also contribute to areas of all the other core infrastructure projects. Ranging from the Garrett RC, but that we have in our RC channels to the Jenkins system that we're using for continuous integration. And all this is expressed as code that lives in a code repository. So if you want to participate in the administration of our core infrastructure, you can just propose changes to those projects. It's not just code. It's also documentation. It's also puppet recipients. Lots of different things. Contributions, the obvious contributions. There is a new feature, or a new bug fix. That's contributions that will end up in the code. But also in Garrett, there is a race management, and of those six months, there is a stable maintenance. Backporting all the fixes, all the interesting bug fixes that were found in the current development cycle to the stable releases of OpenStack, and making points releases so that you can actually upgrade your stable infrastructure and inherit all the bug fixes. There is a vulnerability differences. Is there a better place, or better? What's important is not where or how you're contributing. It's actually why. Typical contributions are also bug fix for a bug that you encounter in your precise use case. It acts well with OpenStack. Those are drawbacks. Those are valuable contributions. I mean, the OpenStack wouldn't be where it is today. Those made OpenStack where it is today. But they have had a number of drawbacks. Expand the scope of the project to add the technical depth. Fewer resources into release, and you dilute the solution to that is what I call strategic contributions. In strategic contributions, you are making the contribution primarily to ensure the long-term health of the project, and find strategic contribution areas when it's commonality, making sure that refactor code so that you end up using the same code in the different projects. That is one aspect. Another is consistency, consistency both in the feature set, but also tag, but also it's also consistency in behavior, done in the same way across all the different OpenStack projects. There is security, making sure that the software is actually safe for our users to use. Fixing bugs, not only that affects your use case, but I have. So there are a number of two tasks, time intensive. So funding resources towards strategic contributions is expensive. And it's difficult to sell, because there is no short-term return on investment. It's not beneficial directly to your company. Strategic contributions are essential. It's what will make OpenStack win in the success. Also argue that it's actually good for you and your company as well. Doing tedious tasks and time intensive tasks, you end up gathering good karma within the community. This karma quickly translates into respect. And that respect quickly translates into influence over the direction of the project. And so it's not just good for OpenStack. It's actually good for you to fund those strategic contributions that are essential to OpenStack. So in summary, if you don't contribute anything to OpenStack yet, you should start now. And if you have a choice, please consider doing strategic contributions rather than in the same way. Mark's scripts actually account for a launchpad activity.  Yeah, I guess, like, he specifically said you're an architect, so I guess all of the OpenStack design discussions either happen on the mailing list or happen in the code review system.  OK, so theory is given, I guess, kind of the theoretical background, made some really great distinctions between different contributions. And I really like the distinction it makes between tactical and strategic contributions. I guess, for me, that put into kind of crisp words something that I've always kind of believed strongly in. So it's good to see this being talked about. So we're going to talk specifically about kind of how Red Hat engages with projects and how, so it's trying to put, I guess, more meat on the bones of theory's argument here and kind of give a specific example. So just to give some background initially about Red Hat and OpenStack, we got involved with the project first just over a year ago, all first. I think the first thing we were trying to figure into was diverse and self-governing, as it seemed, from the outside. And really the best way of figuring that out, kind of see how your contributions are welcomed and received and how easy it is for you to actually, all the signs were really, really good with OpenStack from the very first day that I submitted a patch to OpenStack. So to me, that's a really key indicator of OpenStack's future success. So just some more background. At Red Hat, we'll often talk about wearing hats. And that's not just because we'll talk about, for example, whether you're wearing your upstream hat or your distro hat or your corporate hat.  Even when you're discussing something, making a suggestion or proposing something. And so you might be proposing it because you think it's really important to the project itself, because it's specifically important to your company. And by default, I think we like our developers to kind of gain, really assumes that when we speak, we're speaking to a 100% Red Hat's point of view. We'll actually, we'll say it. With my Red Hat hat on, I think we should do X. That's where you're kind of stepping outside your normal mode of operation. So the first reason to me is the success. If you're a company getting involved with OpenStack, you're probably building a commercial product around it.  And you want it to be hugely successful. And really, you can't just stand around and wait for the way to approach a project when you engage it. It's a really look for the parts of the project where you can see that success might be damaged by a certain project, part of the project not being funded or resourced, I guess. So like an example might be if you see that bug triaging isn't handled very well in a project, although bug triaging isn't a very sexy thing to do in a project, it's really important to a project. So that's a good place to get involved. So it's really looking for the places where you can really make an impact to help OpenStack be a success in the long term. That actually, Thierry didn't talk about, was gaining expertise based on OpenStack. You really refer it to be customers to trust that you're on this. You really need to be seen as having a lot of expertise in OpenStack, really understanding the technology, but also understanding the dynamics of the community to evolve into the future, and the last reason to make strategic contributions as Thierry did point out was influence. And so if you're involved with a project and building a commercial product based on OpenStack, you really need to feel that you can deliver on your promises by actually getting the features, getting the direction of the project set in a way that to do that you really need a lot of influence within the project. And the best way to gain influence, as Thierry said, is to build up that karma contribution. Here's some of Red Hat's OpenStack team. And I guess what I wanted to get on to next was what specifically have some of these guys. And Gal, if we talk first about some of the tactile contributions we've made, I won't talk too much about these, except to show what I think of in terms of tactile contributions, making OpenStack work very well on analogies and into the project like LibGestive S and Cupid, contributing to projects that are going to be very important to some of our enterprise customers, like LDAP integration. So that's, I guess that's the examples I'd see of tactical contributions. Very important, we absolutely need to be doing this kind of work, but I guess we're here really to talk more about strategic contributions. So these are some of Red Hat's more strategic contributions in the project. And it's really a mixed bag of stuff. This was all the stuff that I really felt that could benefit from some of Red Hat developers being involved with. So the first one is kind of infrastructure issues, so it's the basic technical infrastructure of all the different projects, how configuration files are handled, that kind of stuff. Bug fixes, and again, not tactical bug fixing, but looking at users on reviews, I think it's really essential to be involved with code reviews. And really, it's another great way of building up because you take the time to review someone's patch in great detail and really provide good feedback that kind of gets the patch. The stable branch was something that I guess we started just around the same time that Red Hat got involved with the project. I thought that was a very important thing to the project as well, in terms of if you start using a release like Essex, you really want to be able to get bug fixes for that Essex release without having to upgrade to Falsum. So I think that's been really well received as well. OpenStack Common, as Thierry mentioned, is a library and to me it's an effort to clear up some of the technical dash within OpenStack, where you've got all these different projects that are quite similar in infrastructure, and so they've kind of copied and pasted code from one another without, so OpenStack Common is trying to clean all that up and management is kind of an interesting one as well. Thierry really kicked this off and really OpenStack probably has one of the best vulnerability management processes in any open source project out there. The way security and different distros it's actually really just trying to keep on top of the number of bugs coming in and just making that initial triaging of whether the bug is valid, whether it's important. And so that's a great way that anyone here could help out with. We've also been doing a lot of work around continuous integration, not so much within the kind of core projects continuous integration infrastructure, but one of our guys Dan Prince has been working on a project called SmokeStack, which really tries to do even more continuous integration around catching problems as they appear in trunk and it's the last thing, everything we talked about there was kind of technical strategic contributions, but we also made a big effort to really try and help with the establishment of the foundation and make that a success. So around debating how the foundation should be structured and I was heavily involved with the drafting of the bylaws. Red Hat's strategic contributions and hopefully that kind of shows the contrast between kind of what we mean by tactic contributions and what we mean by strategic contributions. That's the credits for some of the photos I used there, but any questions? Are you guys wearing the same shirt? Is Longstreet there? Mike Snyder, he didn't talk to you. Process perspective, I realize you have to wear them. Have you found more success among different companies and this is both for your own companies as well as others that you're aware of in terms of participation, in terms of having dedicated groups that really focused on source participation as opposed to sprinkling. The hats there, it's quite unusual for me to actually stand up here and really talk about Red Hat. I'm actually not used to wearing my Red Hat. I've had it very often so I just thought I'd point that out. Yeah, so we didn't write out, we tend to have a little bit of a split between, say, the guys who are doing a lot of work on rail, for example, versus the guys doing a lot of work on the upstream kernel. But you do need that mixture. You do need the upstream guys being able. It does help to have some separation, but mixing the two groups is really kind of it. I would say that it's important that actually contribute a significant share of time of their time to the project because otherwise they don't reach the visibility level inside the community that is necessary for you to reap the benefits of contributing to OpenStack. So most that's swath old because said it's good if it's like the support teams as well. It can actually be quite difficult because even from the perspective of the developer himself, often they might feel that their work isn't valuable unless it's really kind of Red Hat specific work. So you often kind of have to really reinforce with people that we really value your upstream work.  This problem as well, it's really a time-sucking thing. So if people from the distros are the ones that are contributing to the upstream project, generally the distros will be in space. But when I work on OpenStack, funded by Rockspace, I work for it, except that you work 100%. Thank you.


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