Welcome back to Tennis Talk, my name's Cam Williams and it's time for the power ranking show, the Tennis Talk power rankings for another week. But first of all, we're going to go through the players that won last week because we didn't actually have that many tournaments last week. The WTA didn't play at all last week, so let's go through the past results for the last week. So the only individual tournament that was played last week was Monte Carlo and Stefano Siddi-Pass. He got through winning his second Monte Carlo in a row, 6-3-7-6 against Fakina, who is a very big surprise getting into the final. And there are some changes to the power rankings because of these results. But let's start with the WTA rankings for this week. So as you probably could have guessed, there's no change to the rankings whatsoever because none of the ladies played on the WTA. There was Billie Jean King Cup, but they're not worth any points. So we still have Igor Svontek at world number one and by a fair margin as well, so I wouldn't expect her to lose any points anytime soon. Over at the WTA finals race, same thing, no changes to the finals race because no players gained any points this week. Svontek still on top of those rankings as well, had a phenomenal season. She will be playing next week though, so let's keep an eye on how she doesn't stood guard next week. Taking a look at the ATP rankings for this week, and there aren't any changes to the top 10 with Djokovic saying at number one, only 10 points ahead of Danil Mevedev. And even though Stefano Siddi-Pass won Monte Carlo, he didn't change in the rankings, so he stays at number five in those rankings. Having a look at the ATP finals race, and here are some big changes. Siddi-Pass, he goes to number two in the finals race, taking Elkara as a spot, pushing Mevedev and Fritz down as well. And Rubelev, he goes at one spot higher than Eliasime after playing well in Monte Carlo, where Eliasime didn't play well. And we've got two players in the nine and ten spot, Hercatch, he made the quarter-finals in Monte Carlo, so he got up five spots higher than last week to number nine, and Zverev. After making the semi-finals in Monte Carlo, he's gone up ten spots to number ten in the ATP finals race. So the finals race is starting to take some shape, with a lot of familiar names starting to find their way into that top eight for the ATP finals at the end of the year. Okay, let's go over to the power rankings now for another week. And coming in at number 20 this week in the power rankings, Simona Heller, two spots lower than last week. Not because she didn't play bad last week, because she actually didn't play at all. It's because some players played really well in her absence, so she goes down two spots to number 20. Fritz, he comes in at number 19, which is the same as last week, so he doesn't change at all. Had a decent week over in Monte Carlo. Whoopi Hercatch is in at number 18. He's dropped down two spots lower than last week, despite making it to the quarter-finals of Monte Carlo. Number 17, we've got Osta Penko.  But we have a new person at 16. It's Von Drussever. She's gone in number 16 spot, new to the power rankings, and that's because she beat Emeratu Kanu in the Billie Jean King Cup. So even though that's not worth any points on the WTA, it does take some value when we come to the power rankings. So because she had a very good week with the Czech Republic and beating Rotu Kanu, she gets into number 16 spot. At number 15, we've got Contavate, who drops down one spot lower because she didn't play last week. And another debutant to the power rankings we have, Alexander Zverev. Now, he had a decent week last week, got to the semifinals of Monte Carlo, and he finally makes his way in. A lot of people are asking, where is Zverev in these rankings? You know, he's had a pretty decent year despite some poor losses. But finally, Zverev, number 14, he is into the power rankings. In at number 13 is Osaka, she's dropped down one spot lower than last week because she didn't play last week. In at number 12 is Mevadev. Again, didn't play last week, so he got bumped down one spot. At number 11, we've got Ketch Medovich, who has had a great season. But again, didn't play last week, he is playing next week. So we'll see how he goes next week if he stays in that top 20 rankings. Coming in at number 10, we have Bodosa, who didn't play last week for Team Spain, but has been bumped down one ranking spot because there is a new person into the top 10 this week. Coming in at number 9 is Andrei Rublev. He's gone down three spots lower than last week, and that's because he lost in the third round of Monte Carlo. And he lost to Yannick Sinner. Now, Yannick Sinner is a good player, we all know that, but because he lost to a player that is lower than him in the rankings, it affected his rankings. So Rublev, he's gone down number 9. Coming in at number 8 is Riley O'Pelkino. O'Pelkino didn't play last week, but because of a bit of a point shuffle, he lost a fair few points, and a lot of players did better than him last week in his absence. So he's gone down three spots to number 8. Coming in at number 7 is Maria Sacri. Staying at number 7, she's been at number 7 every week for the power ranking. She's playing next week, so expect her ranking to change. Coming in at number 6 is Belinda Benches. She's gone down two spots lower than last week. Didn't play last week, and in her absence some players played well, and that's why she has dropped down into number 6 spot. Coming in at number 5 is Yannick Sinner. So Yannick Sinner, he's gone up three spots higher than last week. After a very good week in Monte Carlo, obviously beating Rublev along the way, that helped his ranking, and only just losing to Zverev in the quarter-finals. So some very good wins for Sinner have boosted his ranking back. And coming in at number 4, we have a new debutante to the power rankings, and it's Stefano Citi Pass.  Why is he not in the rankings? He is now. After winning Monte Carlo, of course he beat guys like Schwartzman, Zverev along the way, Fakina in the final. He beat some very good players along the way, so that is why he's at number 4 in the power rankings. Finally, getting into that top part of the rankings, as you would expect. Coming in at number 3, Elcrez stays at number 3 despite losing to Cota very early on. It didn't affect his ranking enough to have him drop down at all, but he is playing next week in another poor week, might result in a bad ranking next week. So Elcrez stays in the top three for this week. Coming in at number 2 is Rafa Nadal. Didn't play last week. So his ranking didn't change at all. We're expecting Rafa to come back, hopefully in a couple of weeks time. Rafa stays at number 2. And you guessed it, for a third straight week in the power rankings, Igor Shriyantek. Now she didn't boost her ranking points too much in the power rankings because even though she played a couple of matches, she played a couple of players that she should definitely have beaten. Next week is a tough week. She's got Stuttgart. If she loses next week or if the streak gets broken, she is at a risk of possibly losing top spots. So Igor Shriyantek is at number 1 for now, but with the return of Rafa in a few weeks and obviously the tournament is getting a bit more intense, Shriyantek has to do well next week to keep her top spot. So there you have it, the power rankings for another week and the normal rankings as well. No change to the normal rankings, but there's always going to be a change to the power rankings. As we see there, we've got a few new players in. Finally, Sidney Passans, they're ever making their appearance in the top 20 power rankings after a good week in Monte Carlo. Let me know down in the comments below. Who are you most shocked about? Are you still shocked that Shriyantek is still at the top there? Are you shocked that Elkerez didn't drop a lower? I'm a little bit shocked that Elkerez didn't get, I guess, punished for losing so early on in Monte Carlo, but I guess because he played so well the previous weeks, he deserves to stay in that top three for now, but he needs to have a good week in Barcelona. Otherwise he might drop down the ranks, but let me know down in the comments below who are you most shocked about being in the power rankings this week?


Okay, it's Think Tech on a Friday afternoon, finding respect in the chaos, and I am not the regular host, I am the guest host, but Cynthia, who is the regular host, is the host guest. Welcome to your show, Cynthia. Why thank you, Jay. Welcome to my show. The title of the show is Should Trump Need to Register, and that means register as a sex offender. Right. So back to the Axis Hollywood bus scenario way back when he was saying that he was doing a lot of things to women, and it was only locker room talk, it wasn't true, but it was true, according to all the allegations that have been made since. And I guess I would say this, in light of the revelations about Epstein and his suicide recently, and his relationship with Trump and some of the stories and lawsuits that have come out about what he and Trump have been doing over the years, it's time to renew our interest and our investigation into all these allegations and stories about Trump dealing with women, raping women, you know, abusing women, and sometimes underaged women. So that's why we're doing this show. Cynthia had done a little research about it, and she has found things and collated, summarized things, you know, conglomerated things that we need to talk about. So what did you find, Cynthia? One of the things I found is that there's so much that I'm not even sure we can put it all into a half hour show. This is over 20 women, and what I'd like to do first is just sort of run down a list of all of the ones that, and this is really interesting to me, that you can find on Wikipedia, okay? There's so many of them, and they're so ingrained, and they've already made it to a list in Wikipedia. Okay, so this is what I want you guys to really listen to, because I think it's really important. These are the accusations that were filed in court. Ivana Trump in 1989, Jill Hearth in 1992, Summer Zervos in 2017, I mean, 2007, sorry, and Alva Johnson in 2019. Now these are all the public allegations that have come out since the 2016 election, okay? Or since 2016, I should say since the candidacy process, since the election process. Jessica Leeds in 1990, these, when I give you the dates, these are the dates that it happened, okay? Jessica Leeds, 1980s, Kristen Anderson, 1990s, Eugene Carroll, 1995 or 96, Lisa Boyne, 1996, Kathy Heller, 1997, Temple, Taggart, McDonald, 1997, Karina, Virginia, 1998, Mindy McGill Bray, some of the names I might not quite get right, but 2003, Jennifer Murphy, 2005, Rachel Crooks, 2005, Natasha Stoynoff, 2005, Juliet Huddy, 2005 or 2006, Jessica Drake, 2006, Nini Laxosen, Laxonin, I'm not sure, Laxonin I think, 2006, Cassandra Serles, 2013, just that alone should stagger all of us, but there's more. These are allegations of pageant dressing room visits. These are unannounced visits that he just walks in on them while they're getting undressed, while they're naked, and he just stands there and watches them, which is a form of abuse, and it's listed under abuse, okay? Mariah Bellato, Victoria Hughes, and three other Ms. Teen, that's an important factor there. All those names I just gave you, Ms. Teen USA contestants, then we've got Bridget Sullivan in 2000, Tasha Dixon in 2001, and Samantha Holby in 2006. That's a list that just staggers the mind, right? Now let's go back to the very beginning, which was Ivana Trump, right? In 1989, she accused her husband of aggravated rape. It was later dismissed, Michael Cohen said, you can't rape your wife, which actually is not true, and even back then it was illegal. It was hard to get it through courts, and I know this because I went through something very similar. My ex-husband came and raped me, and I couldn't really charge anything with it. The legal profession said I could, but there was so much involved in trying to do it that there was no way. State by state, that rule could be different in different states. I was in California, so I think they might have been in New York, but at any rate it was so difficult to do it that even though the law was on my side, I wasn't about to go through all of that to try. So she since brought it back, but in the beginning her initial assessment of it was that she was raped. They hadn't had sex in over 16 months, and he came and aggressively attacked her, is what she said in the beginning, and then of course she walked it back and said, well, I don't want it to be criminal rape. Is there any suggestion she was paid off by Michael Cohen? There's a lot of suggestion that she was paid off by Michael Cohen. As a matter of fact, with all of his propensity to pay people off, look, we've got Stormy Daniels, we've got the Playboy Bunny that threw Michael Cohen anyway, were paid off. So we're starting to see a pattern here, right? Well, what was there that comes in between all these women, did they look the same? What kind of common denominators do you find? There's quite a few common denominators, and one of them is that he says, well, I couldn't have done that, because after all, she's not my type. He just recently said this about Eugene Carroll even, very specifically said, well, I couldn't have done that. I couldn't have raped her. She's not my type. In reality, she is his type. And back in that day, when she went through all of this, sorry to be off the camera for a second, in 1995, she looked very much like all of his wives, she looked very much like all of his girlfriends, and funny thing, every single one of the women that accused him of grabbing her, kissing her, all of these things against her will, right? All of them look almost identically the same. They all have this long blonde hair, they all look like all of his wives, which I find striking. Well, is there a possibility that these are all part of a huge conspiracy to bring him down? Well, the problem with that theory is that a lot of this stuff came out long before he ever was going to be president. So it's not like they're just, you know, gold diggers looking for money, or looking for fame, or looking for any of that, because this was all done when he wasn't that big of a anybody, right, some of them anyway. So you know, it's possible that somebody could make that argument, but it doesn't fit for all of them anyway. Like Jill Hart in 1992, it was someone that he worked with, and it was, it was George Horne, I don't know if I pronounced his name right, it's kind of a funny name, but at any rate, his girlfriend, Trump had put his hands all over her, kissed her forcibly. And the thing that's so incredible about all this stuff is almost all of the allegations exactly match what he himself said on the Access Hollywood tape. When he talked about just, you know, kiss him, I just do it. I don't even ask, I just do it, right? And they love it.  And then he said, I just grab them by, and I'm not going to say it on camera, right?  This is what he, with his own mouth, admitted to. In the Planet Hollywood thing, he admitted that, he boasted of it on the tape. But in all these cases, has he ever admitted any of these claims? No, he has not. He admitted to seeing those things on the Access Hollywood tape, right? That it was at the debate, just right afterwards, shortly after he made that tape, or shortly after it was not made, but after it was released, right? He says on a debate that he was taken out of context, it was just locker room talk, trying to dismiss it, like he said before. Well, he didn't say he didn't do it. He didn't say he didn't say it. He just said it was locker room talk, as in you only admit it in the locker room. But he admitted it. Well, let's take Stormy Daniels for a minute. That never went to court for a judicial determination that he did it or not, but pretty clear from the evidence that's out there that he, according to Michael Cohn, that he gave Cohn money to pay her off. Yes. So certainly, you would not pay anybody off unless you had been involved in that particular escapade. Right. You just dismiss it as, ah, never mind. And this is while he was married, and same with the Playboy bunny, right? She was also paid off. And she wasn't going after him for money at all or anything. So that was because there was an article that was being squashed for him. So is it fair to say that one way or the other, with respect to each one of these individual cases, he has denied it, he has doubled down on the denial, he has somehow paid him off or avoided a prosecution or a judicial determination in a civil suit that he has done it. He's gotten away with it. Am I right to say this? Yes, you are. He's gotten away with it each time. So all of the ones that are Wikipedia, all the ones you found, you know, in examining the subject here, he got away with it. There's a couple more, though, that aren't listed in Wikipedia. And this is the biggest one in my mind. And that is that he was accused of raping a 13-year-old. She brought charges against him. Once again, we have a case of being paid off. Yes, 96. And she was 13 at the time. And now she's 94, excuse me. Now she's bringing the case again. She's bringing the suit again because the New York law just opened up that you can bring a civil suit against someone that you accuse of sexual assault, and it doesn't matter how long ago it was. It's opened up a window for a year. Is this interesting, kind of like an amnesty on the statute of limitations? Right, exactly. I recall that she claimed when she brought the suit a second time that she was not barred by the statute of limitations. There was a statute of limitations at the time because Trump and his agents had threatened her and her family. He had all threatened her, yes. And because of that, she was so intimidated that she didn't bring the suit. Right. Same Epstein did the same thing. The specifics of this are, I think, important for people to hear. It was Epstein and Trump, and this girl was recruited from the Mar-a-Lago estate. She worked there as a maid, okay? A number of the people that were recruited into Epstein's trafficking, sex trafficking, were brought from the Mar-a-Lago estate into Epstein's little harem, or whatever you want to call it. These are some of the specifics that are absolutely jarring. When this little girl was 13, Trump came in and tied her to a bed and raped her. According to whom? According to her. According to the allegations in the suit that he came in and raped her, that when she cried and told him to stop and begged him to stop, he hit her in the face to make her stop, kind of knocked her out. Then when he was done, he left her tied to the bed.  Then he left and Epstein came in and raped her and told her the same thing.  What she says in part of the court documents is that she could hear them fighting in the other room because Epstein was angry that Trump was the one who got to take her virginity. Oh. He was mad because he wasn't... This is in the complaint she filed. This is in the complaint that she filed. No. No, she's around. She's around today. She is around today. She has a live lawsuit right now today. A live lawsuit. There's actually two of them. There's another. There's two lawsuits that are going right now and they're... Right now they're suing... First, they're suing Jeffrey Epstein and the state court of New York. And they're suing Jeffrey Epstein's estate for $100,000. And one of the main reasons... $100,000? I mean, $100 million. Excuse me. $100 million. $100 million. Yeah. What's a thousand here and there? Yeah. Oh, gosh. So at any rate, they're suing Epstein's estate for the $100 million. Did I say it right this time? Yes. Okay. Yeah. Because of this new opening that they've got. So are they suing Trump too? I believe that the 13-year-old is, but I couldn't find the details of that. So I'm not totally sure. I think one of the things that they're hoping for anyway in the process of all of this anyway, is that they're going to open up discovery. So once discovery is opened, then they're going to find out all kinds of things about all kinds of people. And they know that a lot of famous people were Epstein's friends. Bill Clinton, Woody Allen, and we all know what he likes. This could be embarrassing to a lot of people. That's right. Dershowitz, the lawyer Dershowitz. Dershowitz, yeah. Dershowitz is named in there. There's all kinds of big names, right? Okay. So we've got a quote from Trump about, let me find it. Sorry. I should have it right here. Okay. Here it is. This is what Trump said about Epstein in a 2002 interview long before he was going for president. He says in a New York Magazine interview, I've known Jeff for 15 years, terrific guy. He's a lot of fun to be with. It is even said that he likes beautiful women as much as I do, and many of them are on the younger side. I remember that. That was on the national news, that one. Yes, it was. And it goes on to say, no doubt about it, Jeffrey enjoys his social life. That's what he said.  That's what he says, not a big fan. When he was asked about what he thinks about the lawsuit and everything else, so I don't know anything about it. I find that hard to believe. Okay, so what's going to happen now? We have the, of course, the Epstein scenario raises all kinds of questions, particularly when Trump is associated with him, and now he's walking back on that, whether lawsuits, that name the two of them in a combined effect, a combined attack. What's going to happen here? How do you see this unfolding in the courts? How do you see it unfolding in the public mind? I believe that his base will hear his lies when he denies it, and they will believe him, and I believe that the rest of humanity will believe these girls and believe the overwhelming amount of evidence that we have about it. Let me add this. There are just too many red flags. As you said before, he's been able to avoid a judicial determination on any of these cases all this time. He's denied it all. He's doubled down on his denials, which is par for the courts. And he is no stranger to the courts, to all the courts in the country, really. He's an old pro at defending lawsuits, every kind of law. He has had so many lawsuits filed against him for so many things, and I don't know, I guess there have been some successful ones, but the fact is he's good at defending himself. He's good at spending money on lawyers. He's good at finding defenses, and in many cases, successfully defending himself. He's going to do that here because he knows the stakes are the 2020 elections, at least between the action in court between now and the 2020 election, you know, will have an effect on the 2020 election. So you can bet for sure he is going to do what he has done. He is going to defend himself as he can in any suit and any argument in the press. He will criticize anyone who raises the possibility that these claims are true. So how is that going to play out? It sounds like, the likelihood is, he'll be able to avoid, you know, determination that he did it. This is one place where I'm thinking maybe his conservative judges is going to come back to bite him because if this stuff gets in front of a conservative judge, I can't believe they would side with him. Right, but then, you know, we've got Kavanaugh, who I don't care what Trump did. He had the same problem, didn't he? He was exactly, same exact problem. Roy Moore, oh my goodness, and he's running again, so, you know, unfortunately, there's that possibility that we've got these, you know, judges out there that might side with him. Yeah. To me, it's terrifying now. His main claim of how he distanced himself from Epstein was a number of years ago, he says, I haven't talked to him in years, well, they had a falling out because they were both trying to buy the same mansion, waterfront mansion, right, the mansion which Trump ended up buying and then selling almost immediately to a Russian oligarch. Hmm, anything. I mean, it's just a small world, right? Years ago, yeah. Yeah, exactly. Years ago. Yeah. So it happens, he's got his connection to these Russian oligarchs way back then even. Well, I mean, where all his wives come from too, right? Which is another story, but not exactly, but yeah. So, you know, how is this, how is this playing do you think now? People buying this, is this affecting his image? Yes, you know, the planet Hollywood, access Hollywood thing really did not affect him very much. He managed to escape on that. And he managed to escape a lot of these claims that have come out over the years. I mean, if it's in Wikipedia, a lot of people know about it and yet he's escaped, you know, he's escaped the effect of it. Is this something the public is picking up on? Is this something the base is picking up on?  Or is this just going to fade into the woodwork as we get closer to 2020? I can't imagine that it's going to fade into the woodwork. I would think with everything that's happened with Epstein, even though he's dead now, it doesn't mean everything's over. When they went in and raided his places, he had apparently a gigantic volume of child pornography. Who knows who's going to show up in those pictures or what might be able to be found to corroborate some of these. Some of those names that have come up might be able to show up in those pictures.  He had several numbers to contact Trump, several numbers in order to be able to contact him. So there's a lot of famous people, names that are going to be coming out pretty soon. And I don't quite see how Trump can manage to not keep his name out of it. I worry for how people are going to respond to this. Because there's been such a slow drip of information that we're kind of numb to it. Well, we'd be distracted by so many other things. Other things. Because of the body. Yeah. Right. We're kind of desensitized to it. Even the Me Too movement. We're kind of desensitized to that. Because there's so much happening around. You think the Me Too movement would be all over this, what you just talked about. Right. Haven't heard lately anyway from them. Yeah. So what about, you know, we started out this discussion and it's certainly worth talking about at the end of it. What about, you know, the death of Epstein? Epstein sounds like a pretty dangerous character for Trump. Yeah. In his mind and memory, aside from the documents they may have found when they raided his house, there's stuff that would insinuate, incriminate rather, a great number of important people. That makes Epstein, that made him very dangerous and it makes his documents dangerous too. So it seems like all the evidence points to a real suicide here. A medical examiner found that it was a suicide. I wrote a will a couple days before, which sounds like he was, you know, putting his affairs in order and that sort of suggests a suicide. There's no information to the contrary of a suicide. It's just a sort of circumstantial thing, the fact that he was very dangerous men for powerful people, you know. Which means he had a big target on him, right?  I believe that he committed suicide under duress. I believe he was either threatened or he knew that he was threatened because he had all these important people, right, that were going to be out for him. But I think it's very telling that very next day, Trump retweets something that says that he thinks that Bill Clinton, it was at some conspiracy theorist put on there, oh, well, let's see, Bill Clinton was a good friend of Epstein and now Epstein's dead, right? Well, one more for the Clinton number or something, for the Clinton head count, something like that. And Trump retweets it. Why would he retweet something like that? He doesn't really talk specifically about anything to do with Epstein, but he'll retweet a conspiracy theory about who could be behind his murder. Wait, nobody said anything about murder yet.  He's pretty sloppy in his retweeting. So if you were Trump, Cynthia, how much concern would you have about all of this? Would you see this as something that you had to take from Tobacco about? Would you see this as something that would jeopardize your ability to win the election or remain unimpeached? How concerned do you think he might be right now over this? I think he might be very concerned. And I think that I try to look at most of the things that he says through the projection and through the lens of projection, because he's great at that, where whatever you accuse someone else of is what you're guilty of. I thought it was really odd that he's accusing, through someone else's words, he's accusing the Clintons of killing this guy. And I think, huh, projection, so I don't know. I look at everything he says through projection. I think he is very worried. I think he should be very worried. And I can only pray that it's going to make a difference. The fact that evangelical Christians don't have a problem with all of this is just something I can't quite fit into my head. And this whole thing is, it goes beyond just having a rapist in the Oval Office. It goes to all of his policies, his very attitude, and how that ripple effect comes down to silence and devalue women and elevate people that don't treat women well and that harm women. And that goes back to the whole Roy Moore and Kavanaugh. And I mean, he consistently does this over and over and over, devalues women and yet elevates the men who harm them. Standing by itself, the whole misogyny thing here, you think that would stand as a ground for impeachment? Oh, all by itself. One person. Look what happened to Bill Clinton because of Monica Lewinsky. One person. One person. And that was consensual. That was consensual on both sides, yeah. Consensual on both sides. Granted, it was in the Oval Office, but who knows what Trump has done in the Oval Office? Yeah. Who knows? Okay, the last question here is we titled this show, Should Trump Need to Register Yes. As a sex offender? Yes. I'll march him down to the office, yes. Thank you. Cynthia Sinclair. Thanks for doing- I'm part of the respect and the chaos. Thank you, Jay. I appreciate you coming on the show today with me. Thank you, Cynthia. Aloha. Aloha.


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They liked me. They called me Smiley, because that's the way it was with me. My eyes, I mean, laughing the way I always was inside.  That's when I learned that thing or two, especially about women, that's when I learned that some women don't even have the right to live. It was on my day off in a sordid late at night, and I was just walking along the street, not going anywhere in particular, or even thinking anything much. Just sort of whistling to myself and walking along the street. For me, why, why nothing, nothing at all. You've been following me. Oh no, I haven't been following you. What are you looking at me that way for? What are you looking at me and smiling that way for? I just smile at everybody, lady. Go away. Don't come near me.  That was when the cop grabbed me and they threw me into jail just because she lied about me. She said I was bothering her. She said I hit her. She said I was staring at her. She said I was following her. Probably going to rob her. And they all believed it, too. They didn't say so, but they were all thinking about those women that got killed lately. I know. So they believed the woman and about my hands. They didn't believe that either. They thought it was funny about my hands, about hands nobody understands, nobody. We'll rise. Gerald Smythe, do you have anything to say before this court pronounces sentence? Well, I'm a decent man, Judge. I got a job. I'm a decent working man. I didn't follow or I didn't hit her. I didn't do anything she says. The jury has disagreed with you, Mr. Smythe. You say you have a job? Yes, sir. What kind of a job? I'm a dishwasher. Dishwasher, huh? Let me see your hands. Oh, sure. They're nice. I keep them that way. Order, please. Order. Yes, I see. They're long and smooth and white. I keep them this way. Mr. Smythe, you'll find that lying does not help you in this court. Your hands may be indeed are everything you say, but they are certainly not the hands of a working man, least of all a dishwasher. I sentenced you to two years and six months in the county prison. I didn't blame the judge.  My hands are still long, but they're not smooth. They're not white. They're not pretty anymore. It was November when I got out. Cold. Cold outside, and I was cold inside. I had no place to go except back to the Busy Bee Cafe in Curly. All the way back to town, I thought of Curly. His hands weren't like mine. They were short and stubby, but golly, they were good. The way he used them, I mean. Whatever he was doing, slapping pie door, handling a side of beef or choking the life out of a chicken, he was purely good. I walked into the kitchen and there he was working. He didn't see me because I was behind him, but after a while he must have felt me because he jumped like he was shot. What do you want? I want my job back. Smiley. Good Lord, man. Yeah, Curly, it's me. How about that job? Hey, you remember you ran out on me once. Yeah, I drew a blank. Yeah, you should do a big one. You look different somehow. Wait a minute. Your face, your eyes, they changed, Smiley. Well, what did you do? Quit laughing? You might say that.  I changed. My hands, too. See? They're better, huh? Yeah, they're not the same either. Hey, remember how you used to ride me about that hot water and how I even bought rubber gloves once? Well, look. Look, Curly. Hot water. Now, that's hot. Now, watch. There you go. Full and pure steam. Now, what are you trying to do?  I'm just proven. I'll keep the water hot. I don't need to worry about my hands now. Yeah, well, look, kid. Look, you better have something to eat, huh? We'll talk about hot water later.  What's the matter with your happy friend, Curly? One of us hateful women taking over the high road. Why don't you say something, one of you? Smiley, don't feel good cooking.  We might get accustomed. You don't want me around. That's all right with me. Smiley, what's with you? You haven't changed that much, have you? You and Cookie used to be... She reminds me of a dame. Why not? She is a dame. I've been in jail, Curly. Oh? A dame sent me there. Yeah? I don't like dames, Curly. I don't like dames. I tried to tell him about it, but I knew I couldn't make him understand. Still, I couldn't get it out of my mind. It was still there. While I was talking to him, while he was taking me up to his rooms to show me where I could stay, all the time it was there for good now. I knew that. Here we are, fella. Home. And there's the extra bed I was telling you about. Yeah, be it ever so humble, this is it. Ah, look, kid. Look, you've had a rough ride. Sure. But you stay here with me as long as you want.  Hey, maybe you want to be a fry cook now. Well, thanks. Hey, maybe if you could teach me to use your hands, I mean, the way you do, I mean, maybe I can learn to use them right. Ha-ha. Yeah, you betcha. Look, you forget what's happened, we get the work. Check? It's all over. Maybe it is, and maybe it isn't. Look here. Out there on the street. Hey, look, kid, this housing pitch is rough. If you're looking for scenery, you ain't going to get it here. What do you see out there? Ah, a view that's worth just about one-tenth what I paid for it. It stinks. I don't mean that. You see that, Dean? Yeah. You know something about her, Curly? She could get dead. Huh? There's maybe a thousand windows around here and a bullet from any one of them would get her dead. And it'd be pretty hard to find out who did it.  Even dames. That'd pay off like keeping your water too cool did. Only it'd get more than any two-and-a-half years. Yeah. But all I'd have to do is raise the window. Aim and have dead dame. Get away from that window. I don't know about you. I just don't know. What's the matter with you smiling? I told you. I just don't like dames. Curly's face was as white as a clean apron. He was mad a little and scared, but I still couldn't explain to him what it took me two-and-a-half years to figure that a man works hard. And when he works, he's got some pay coming. All the time I was in jail, I knew I wasn't about to get a nickel for all the work of digging and shoveling and laying concrete. And the one thing I was proud of was ruined. My hands. And I figured to collect some pay for that work if it was the last thing I ever did. And I figured it out good. Just what the pay ought to be. One woman. One dead dame. I couldn't explain it to Curly. I guess I didn't have to. He thought I was nuts. Anyway, he drove me like a slave, but I didn't mind. I was learning. Well, let's see now. Two apples. One peach. Better make a two. Two coconut. One shot. Well, what we got, that ought to hold them. How many those peaches, Smiley? Oh, sure, Curly. Here you are. Yeah, thanks. Oh, boy. Gee, Curly, the way you handle things... What do you mean?  Smiley, listen. Your hands are the most important things you got in the kitchen. You've got to learn to squeeze hard and you've got to know just when to use the most delicate touch. Hands are important. Oh, I wish I could use mine the way you use yours, Curly. You're good. Well, it takes a long time, Smiley, but you'll learn. Your hands got strong when you were up here. Yeah, what I mean is you'll learn how to use them, Curly. Yeah. I get along all right only... only what? Cookie. Oh, you're letting that dame get you down? Oh, forget it. I wish he was gone, Curly. I'm afraid. Good morning. Yeah, fine. Well, you better get that front-in-line-up chicken. It's time to open. Sure. Oh, Smiley, honey. Smiley, say hello to the pretty lady. Beat it. Smiley. Okay, Cookie, take her off. Curly, Smiley didn't say good morning. My day will be ruined. Oh, nuts. Well, there ain't that a whip. Hey, Cookie, why don't you leave the kid alone? He's had a tough time. He doesn't feel good. Well, why doesn't he smile anymore? That's all. Just let him smile. Well, the last time he smiled, the dame, he picked up a fistful of stretch at the county farm. Now, you remind him of her. He quit smiling. Oh, is that so? Well, I'm used to being treated like a human, see? And just because a guy's nuts. All right, all right, Cookie, get the word. Okay, but you just remember. One of these days, we're gonna have a showdown and it'll be either him or me. Make it easy. You just remember. Someday it'll be him or... I heard what Cookie said. I stood right outside the door and heard her. Someday it'll be him or me. And I was awake like a two-story building and my stomach and my hands were going open and shut, open and shut. And I knew she was right. Me or her. For Suspense, Roma Wines are bringing you Donald O'Connor in Smiley. Roma Wines' presentation tonight in Radio's Outstanding Theatre of Thrills Suspense. Suspense, Radio's Outstanding Theatre of Thrills is presented by Roma. 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And now Roma Wines bring back to our Hollywood soundstage between Tuttle as Cookie, Sidney Miller as Curly and starring Donald O'Connor as Smiley, who continues a narrative well calculated to keep you in suspense. It added up. I was going to get my pay, but now it wasn't just some day, some time it was a particular day. Cookie. And soon, when I went inside, my hands were still going like that, open and shut, open and shut. And all day I just watched Curly and the way he used his hands. His technique, as he called it, the way he squeezed when he had to. It was so important, the technique I mean, he had to squeeze just right. Just right. What are you doing, kid? I'm just squeezing mashed potatoes out of this bag, making designs like you do on cakes. That's great, great. What kind of design do you call that? Oh, it's just a hand, I guess. Oh, brother, that hand couldn't do much.  Oh, that, I guess I squeezed too hard. Smiley, you'll be all right, kid. You stay with it. Little Smiley going to be a pastry cook.  I told you. I know, Curly, I know when I told you, let the boy take care of himself. Yeah, Curly, take it easy. Well, how do you like that? It's all right. Are we going to be friends now, Smiley? We can try. How do you like this design, Cookie? What is it? It's a hand. Oh, sure. See, these are the fingers here. They're all for long for fingers. Oh, I don't know. See, look at my hand. My fingers are long. It's just that you don't notice. You don't notice dishwasher's hands. That's why I'm going to be a fry cook and a pastry cook. Then they won't be cracked and dirty like they are now. They'll stay soft and strong too as soon as I get to be a cook. Sure. Sure they will, Smiley. Well, now that you two are very lovey-dovey, how about breaking it up? I want to get home. You mean you really go home when you're through here? Of course I go home. What do you go? Tonight I got a date with Johnny Mack, the singing sensation out at the Natural Pass. I got to go out there and meet him. The Natural Pass? Yeah. That's a joint at 7-Eleven, Green Grove. 7-Eleven. Natural Pass. Get it? Haha! What kind of guy is he? You got to go to him. Oh, he's working. He can't come in here. He must have a peal. You ain't kidding, brother. How do you get out to this joint? You hitchhike? I take a bus to the end of the line, call a cab from the drugstore and go on out. Class. How about that Smiley class yet? I guess a crooner would rate it. Yeah, yeah. Well, you better get that front end cleaned up, Cookie, if you're going to meet this Johnny songbird. I guess I better. Boy on the d- Have a good time, Cookie. Have a good time. It would all depend on why you quit swinging hash. Bling, being glad about it, I mean.  Like Cookie going to the Natural Pass. It just fit in with everything. I quick finished my work and told Curly I had something to do and took off like a kid on the last day of school. You know, sort of slow until I got outside. And then I wanted to whoop and jump up and down like I had springs instead of muscles. I couldn't do all that. I could walk fast, and I did. I went up to the room and got my money and changed clothes. And I went down and rented a car and drove out to the end of the bus line. I stopped and waited. I guess I waited an hour and a half watching all the buses, hoping that that dame wouldn't cross me up. She didn't. It's me, Smiley. Oh, I just wanted to get out of town for a while so I rented a car. When I got out here, I remembered what you said about coming out. I thought I'd just wait for you. Oh, Smiley, honey, you got more stalls than Santa Anita. I'll bet you planned it, didn't you? You could be a sweet guy. You know that. Come on, I'll take you to the club. How far is it? About a mile and a half. Let's go. I guess you could be a sweet guy. Hmm? I guess I added you up wrong. It's possible.  You think so? I don't quite get you. You're making cracks again. No, I'm serious, really, I am. You don't smile like you used to, and usually it seems to... Well, anyway, I didn't expect this from you. I lost the smile, I guess. Maybe for good. No way, you're always talking about your hands. What about my hands? You make life to the most important things in the world. And they're not, is that it? Well, it's according to how you look at it, I guess. Now, look, Smiley, no passes. No. No passes. I wanted to hear this. You said... Well, I didn't say nothing just about your hands. I remember. You said they aren't important. Well, not exactly. They're kind of nice, they're form good, if you know what I mean. But after all, they're just hands like anybody else's. No. They're good hands, and since I came back, I've learned how to use them right. Yeah. Women, for instance. That's a laugh. Cookie, do you know why my hands are rough and red now? Do you know why I don't smile? Women. Golly, if women aren't important... Cookie, there's only one way to find out if hands are more important, or if a woman is. You have to make the test, Cookie. What's more important? You said no passes, Smiley. I'm not passing, Cookie. I'm not passing. I mean this. Payday. For two years in jail, one dead dame. The whole world changed. For a minute, my hands were going open and shut like this. My technique was perfect, absolutely perfect. They weren't satisfied my hands, but they'd have to get used to it. All I wanted inside like was payday, and this was the day. I looked around to be sure no cars were coming. I took her out of the car and dragged her into the bushes, where she wouldn't be found for a while. I left her there. Good. Purely good. Like I worked very hard for something and finally got paid. All debts were paid. Everybody, including Smiley, was even with the world. It was wonderful. Just plain wonderful. The only thing was I couldn't tell Curly because even though he'd understood the technique part of it, the rest of it was something he wouldn't get. But could he have seen me use my hands? He'd have been proud. I know it. I took the car back to the U-drive, paid the man collected my deposit and went home. It was still early and Curly was up. Where'd you go, kid? Oh, just around. I got some fresh air. I didn't think you'd be up. Maybe I'd better get to bed though. Big day tomorrow. Okay, I'll be with you in a minute. Hey, you know, Smiley, I've been thinking. Why don't you move over to the stove? Well, I won't have to work in hot water anymore. Oh, no, no, no. I'll get another pro diver. You can come over with me. Hey, look at you. What's the matter with me? Well, nothing. I just noticed you're making with the eyes again the way you used to. What happened, fella? I don't know. I didn't think about it. Why? Well, this is wonderful. I'll bet Cookie'll be surprised to see you. Cookie? Yeah, sure. One of her beefs is you don't smile. Dames don't like you to be grouchy. Why did she see you like this? Who could that be this time of night? How do I know? Mr. Smith, oh, you're here. Hello, Mr. Smith. Smith, not Smith. I'm from the U Drive. When you bought the car back tonight, you let this parking book in it. Had 15 fish in it. Thought the lady might want it. Hey, what's this? Are you Drive yet? You were on the town, weren't you? Yeah, yeah, I guess so. I'll give it back tomorrow. Do I know it? Just a dame. At least she could make you smile again. Oh, come on. I'll turn out the lights so you can sleep. Yes, sir. Smiley, you're the one all right. You stick to your work and we'll make a real team. Remember the technique. Hey, Smiley, will you answer me something now? Oh, sure, Curly. What is it? What happened to that crazy idea you had when you got out of the poke? You remember you was telling me how you could put the blast on a dame and you... Hey, Smiley, look at me. Smiley, you didn't... Ah, that's crazy. What, Curly? I always said you had to be whacked up to get in the restaurant business. I'm just proving it. I thought for a minute you'd... That's... Oh, boy. This bed feels good. I really need to sleep.  Well, good night, Smiley. Good night, Curly. Good night. Sweet dreams. Hey, what are you doing? Hey, come on, Smiley.  Stop it! Hey, Smiley! What are you... Smiley! I'm sorry. Oh, I didn't mean to do that. I hadn't planned on it at all. I didn't want to hurt Curly. He was my friend. We were going to go places together, him and me. I was learning his techniques. And then I got scared and did that. All on account of a woman. Every bit of it. It was a woman who started it. But hadn't been for her. And he wouldn't have looked at him. And maybe he wouldn't have sent me up. My hands. Look at him. They're back in condition. I've had over six months to sit here and do nothing. Just watch Pop out there pace up and down. He's been keeping track of the days for me. He told me this morning. Two more days, son. Two more days. Just two more days. Just two more days. I wish it was longer. I wish it was longer. My hands are so pretty again. My hands are so pretty again. And now they're strong. And they got a lot of technique. If I was out there. If I was out there. No tell them what I could do with hands like these. Suspense. Starring Donald O'Connor. And brought to you by Roma Wands. That's R-O-M-A. Roma Wands. America's largest selling wines. When the weather is so hot and humid that everybody feels like a rag, try this wonderful cooler offer on your thirsty family and friends. A tall, refreshing Roma wine and soda made with better tasting Roma California wine. Simply half filled glasses with robust Roma burgundy, delicate Roma sautern or any Roma wine of your choice. And ice cubes fill up with sparkling water and sweetened to taste. 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Welcome to the NTN Nightly, I'm Nisha Charles. This edition stops stories. Thousands of St. Lucian celebrated their Croyol culture with the traditional Junae Croyol festivities. The SLHD joins forces with the government for the creation of the National Tourism Security Plan, the Ministry of Education completes remedial works at the Archipelago Secondary School, all that plus the latest development in youth and sports. The communities of Bosse Jogrosle, Choselle and Viejo on Monday 28th October were still basking in the success of the annual Junae Croyol celebrations, as booths, stages and other structures erected for the hosting of the festivities were being removed. Minister with responsibility for culture and creative industries, Senator Honorable Fortuna Belrose has lauded St. Lucian's for embracing their culture and setting new avenues for its growth. Here's Nisha Antoine. St. Lucian residents and tourists alike got a taste of nostalgia in communities around the island as they celebrated Croyol Day 2019. The celebration featured a mix of Croyol food, music, games and folklore that represents St. Lucian's unique heritage of Caribbean, African and European cultures. Ministering the Ministry of Tourism Information and Broadcasting, culture and creative industries, with responsibility for culture and creative industries, Senator Fortuna Belrose deemed Junae Croyol a success. The events were well patronized in terms of people coming out to see what was happening in previous times, but more importantly, I think the cleaner experience was what really struck quite a few people. So people indulge a lot in the food and the drink and of course there was quite a bit of the cultural activities, creative events going on, on stage and off stage as well in the communities. Senator Honorable Fortuna Belrose commended the organizing bodies for their efforts in ensuring the success of Junae Croyol 2019. The events were well patronized, well supported, the systems seemed to have worked very well and we were quite happy with the feedback. Of course the folk research centre now will be detailing and looking at it in terms of our Croyol heritage and what was actually showcased and when you would like to see it go, but in terms of us from the event, the management of people, the management of traffic and of course ensuring that our vendors, our people in communities benefited from it. I think we saw a lot of that happening yesterday. The Minister with Responsibility for Culture and Creative Industries was pleased that the essence of the celebrations were celebrated in all parts of the island and not only the host communities. There's also the need to ensure that our communities continue to stay strong and in fact when I spoke to the FRC the thought has always been to ensure that each of the communities celebrate the Junae Croyol in their own way and so it's something that we will continue to pursue with them to ensure that communities get ready and communities are fixed in a way that they can accommodate people when they come in. We need to ensure that the infrastructure is there around the communities so people can come in and out with ease. Croyol Day was celebrated on Sunday October 27th 2019. From the Government Information Service, I am Anisia Antoine reporting. We have comprehensive coverage of Junae Croyol later in the broadcast but first Monday 28th October is celebrated annually as International Croyol Day. The Monsignor Patrick Anthony Folk Research Center FRC commemorated the occasion with the hosting of a national conference on the Croyol language. Since 1984, International Croyol Day has been celebrated in countries where the Croyol language is spoken. While Antillian Croyol is spoken within the Caribbean in St. Lucia, Dominica, Guadalupe, Martinique and Haiti, other forms of Croyol are spoken in the Indian Ocean in seashells and reunions. On Monday October 28th, St. Lucian's came together to reflect on what the Croyol language means to them and the strides that have been made in developing and using the language. Dame Palette Luise spoke on the major milestones that have been achieved in the development of the language in St. Lucia. In 1981, we had the first of two regional workshops organized by the Folk Research Center and the National Research and Development Foundation, the NRDF, for those who are old enough to remember that there was an entity by the name of NRDF. And that workshop was on language and development, the St. Lucian context. In 1982, we held the second regional workshop and this time it was under the theme, the development of Antillian Croyol. It was a suggestion by Professor Lawrence Carrington to call this Croyol that we were going to be using in the Antilles to refer to it, not just as Croyol but Antillian Croyol. Other milestones include the development of a Croyol dictionary, the featuring of Croyol in the throne speech and the approved Croyol version of St. Lucia's national anthem. A three-year program will commence in 2020 where Croyol will be taught from kindergarten to grade three. The St. Lucia Hospitality and Tourism Association's Tourism Enhancement Fund successfully facilitated a workshop on tourism safety and security for over 200 persons last week. The workshop led by international safety and security expert Dr. Peter Talu was attended by a large cross-section of hospitality and security professionals held from the 22nd to the 25th of October. The four one-day sessions in Cachetris and Soufri included representatives from the Royal St. Lucia Police Force and the Port and City Police as well as members of the immigration department. Also in attendance were beach vendors, jet ski operators, taxi drivers, vendors from Cachetris, Grosley and Soufri and a number of local tour guides. Dr. Peter Talu is a world-renowned speaker and expert specializing in such areas as the impact of crime and terrorism on the tourism industry, event and tourism risk management and economic development. This is his third visit to the island. Dr. Talu has been working closely with the association over the last year to advance safety and security efforts in the local tourism industry including the development of a national tourism security plan being birthed in conjunction with the government of St. Lucia. The Ministry of Education, Innovation, Gender Relations and Sustainable Development on the weekends completed remedial works at the Archipelago Secondary School. The school was closed last week to address a mold infestation. Fiona Meyer is the Chief Education Officer. September 24th we had received an initial set of rooms to be highlighted and taken care of reference equality. That was done and monies were mobilized as of the 8th of October where a comprehensive assessment of the plan was done. We had works completed, subsequent to that we received another set of rooms and other set of areas that were highlighted as concerned areas. We have moved in with a licensed contractor and have completed those works. The Chief Education Officer says all schools should join the ministry in ensuring that structural deficiencies do not fester. We would like to encourage, recommend that consistent cleaning happens at the schools, all of our schools. We can appreciate that there may be need for deep cleaning but it is really a situation where with a consistent approach that includes monitoring of what happens in terms of the cleaning will ensure that some of those issues that we have do not come to the fore. We remain resolute as a Ministry of Education team to ensure that we become more proactive in terms of maintenance of our plants and avoid some of those issues. Classes at the Archipelago Secondary School resumed on Tuesday 29th October and this is the NTN Nightly up next Ryan O'Brien. You think you're invincible? You think it can only happen to certain people? Yeah man, being smart. Welcome back, we join Ryan O'Brien for the latest happenings in youth development and sports. Thanks Nisha, welcome everyone to your update from Youth Development and Sports on the NTN Nightly News. I'm Ryan O'Brien, the Minister of Youth Development and Sports in collaboration with the North Casteries Youth and Sports Council inviting all youth of North Casteries to Youth Connect, an introduction to youth development and council governance training seminar. This activity is scheduled to take place at a conference room of the Ministry of Youth Development and Sports up on Miku Street on Saturday, November 2nd 2019 between the hours of 8.30 a.m. and 2.30 p.m. In some upcoming primary schools football fixtures, a 16 team competition, match is set for October 29th. Cozillay takes on Rosso at the South Plain Field at 11 a.m. Ansleray plays Moshi at 1 p.m. also at the South Plain Field. Marsha takes on Camille Henry at the Marsha Grounds from 11 a.m. and RC Boys tackle Patricia James also at Marsha Grounds from 1 p.m. That's your update for today from Youth Development and Sports on the NTN Nightly News. I'm Ryan O'Brien. Thanks Ryan. Empowering and enabling homegrown businesses is a key part of Invest St. Lucia's strategic objectives. To that end, Invest St. Lucia has already conducted a number of entrepreneurial activities towards the establishment of a business incubator and accelerator program with the intention to create economic opportunities and welfare citizens, stimulate economic development and diversification, including increase in exports, strengthen the business ecosystem to boost the creation of firms as well as to improve small-medium enterprise growth. Business incubation is a process of nurturing a business concept till it manifests as a startup company. If you own a startup in St. Lucia, the business incubator and accelerator entrepreneurship hub can help with business support services that include mentorship, accounting, legal support, HR advice, business management, business planning, and IT support. Invest St. Lucia invites all local entrepreneurs to like and subscribe to its Facebook and to keep abreast of new opportunities to participate in in its next cycle of business incubation and acceleration program. And stay tuned to the NTN Nightly. We don't spare a thought for the damage that they'll do. No. Think about the children. Think about the children. How will we save them? Chemicals and GMOs are not the solution. Use organic and join. Excessive agrochemical use, additives, and genetically modified foods are harmful to health and the environment. Join the Good Food Revolution. Grow, buy, and consume organic. A message from Rye St. Lucia and the Ministry of Sustainable Development with funding from the GEF Small Grants Program, UNDP. The Good Food Revolution. Welcome back. Primus Hutchinson, who is usually here with the Nouvelle Aquéole, is off. However, we have a comprehensive look at St. Lucia's celebration of Junet Quéole. General Nouvelle reports on activities held at Borseshu Grosselay. Patrons, the island over, descended on the Borseshu Promenade to partake in the Junet Quéole festivities. From local bread freshly baked on site, to the sweet sounds of Chateau Quéole fill in the air, patrons reveled in the cultural event. Patrons indicated that they have been looking forward to the celebration. While some came just to savour the creole food, others came to partake in the singing and dancing. One patron expressed his hope that the younger generations will get involved in the activity and make it even better in the years to come. Patron Matthew Hartman said he looks forward to the event and makes it his duty to attend every year. He highlighted the importance of maintaining such cultural traditions. Well, I've been living in Solutionale for 12 years, well 11 years permanently, but I've come a few times before and cultural things, being an Englishman by birth, we recognise that we want to maintain our culture so we have these structures in place. And things like in Solutionale we have the creole language which is spoken, it's not really written. We have to have these traditions done because otherwise they die out and the other festivals, the flower festival, the margarite festival, if we don't hold on to these traditions, they're going to go. So it's important and I like to see this. This is the first time I come to the Bosse Jou, normally I go south, a little around the island. Bosse Jou Grosilev, Ufort and Choselle were the host communities for the 2019 Jeune Creole celebrations. For the Government Information Service, I am Janelle Norville. The sights and sounds of Jeune Creole are as varied as the culinary dishes and keeping tradition alive is very important to millet resident Linus John. John attracted a lot of attention at the Bosse Jou promenade on Sunday, especially from the young ones, with his modernised version of the cabouet. He explained that the colours add vibrance to the cabouet, making it more attractive to children, so that they are more likely to want one. Having learned the craft from his father, his goal is to keep the tradition alive and so he makes them and sells at several events. John added that his craft is an important part of his life, as he enjoys making the cabouets. He notes that he is now passing on the knowledge to his children and the time spent together doing the activity is precious to him. John, his craft is also a source of income, which he explained has been quite profitable. And speaking of profits, there can be no doubt that Jeune Creole generates substantial economic revenues. Here's Janelle Norville with the on-site vendors. While patrons came with the view of enjoying the festivities, vendors had another thing in mind. The economic impact of Creole Heritage Month and more specifically, the Jeune Creole celebrations cannot be understated. Many vendors lined up at Bosse Jou looking to secure some sales. Vendor Anthony Tench said sales for the day had been going well. He travelled all the way from Vioport to share his special recipe. Here's a very special recipe. I made it myself. I am a local from the village of Bosse. This is a typical Jeune Creole recipe. We call it bouhimi. We call it myotie, myboumi. This is Jeune Creole. This is all vegetables. All vegetables are here. All vegetables are here. We have to let the cow cook. Let the cow cook! The cow cooks. Vendor Ursula Francis, more affectionately known as Joyce Lynn, indicated that celebrating Junekwuel is dear to her. She also provided a snapshot of her menu for the day. It was a great pleasure for me to celebrate Junekwuel. Let's start with the patented, the patented glow, the patented color, but we still go through everything we have to do. I am very satisfied and I am very happy. I am very happy and very satisfied. Thank you. Aby my friend, I am very happy. I am very happy. I am very happy. I am very blessed. I'm very grateful. I am very grateful. I am very happy. We go when we take up our time. Flora De Gaza said not only did she enjoy the day, she was able to capitalise on the festivities, earning revenue in the process. I'm enjoying it and the sale is coming good for me with all the local products, It means a lot to me. I appreciate it and I love the events. Every year I'm looking forward to that. The Zunequiel festivities were held on Sunday 27th October 2019. For the Government Information Service, I am General Norville. And we will have coverage of shows and view for in subsequent broadcasts. Here now is a look at what's happening to us weatherwise. Partly cloudy skies becoming cloudy at times with widely scattered showers over the southern Windward Islands. Elsewhere it will be fair to partly cloudy with a few scattered showers. A weak tropical wave is expected to produce some cloudy periods with showers over the southern portion of the region during the next 24 hours. Another tropical wave located over the eastern tropical Atlantic is moving westward near 15 miles per hour or 24 kilometers per hour. The tide for Castris Harbour was high at 3.29pm and will be low again at 10pm. The tide for Viet-4 Bay was high at 4.36pm and will be low again at 11.27pm. The seas moderate to locally rough with waves and northerly to north-easterly swells 6 to 9 feet or 1.8 to 2.7 meters. Small craft operators and sea bathers are advised to exercise caution due to rough seas. The sun will rise Tuesday at 5.57am.


I'm Robert Krollwich, and welcome to DNA, the next generation. I would presumably be you watching. If you're over 50, well, I mean, I'm over 50, so you can stay. Today, we're bringing students and scientists together to explore the past, the present, and the future of the molecule that carries our shared inheritance. It is, of course, the DNA molecule. When James Watson and Francis Crick unraveled the mystery of DNA's double helix structure, that famous shape that was 50 years ago, their description gave us startling insights into the fundamentals of life. No one could imagine the amazing advantages that their work would inspire, and no one could really foresee what we are now going to celebrate today. The Human Genome Project has successfully sequenced all three billion DNA letters in the Human Genetic Instruction Book, meaning that there are that many little letters that takes that many letters to build a person. It's impossible to exaggerate the impact of both events, the description of the double helix, that shape, and now the new thing, the completion of the human genome that those two events have had and will continue to have on our lives. So this program is going to consider how far our scientific knowledge has advanced over these 50 years, and we're going to explore just how far it may take us. I'm pleased to honor a man who has traveled the path from DNA's double helix to the three billion steps of the human genome. I'd like to welcome Jim Watson. And the other guy I want to talk to is Francis Crick. Francis Collins, I'm sorry, is director of the National Human Genome Research Institute. He's been running the show here for about 10 years. You get the yellow chair. Unfortunately, Dr. Francis Crick was not able to join us here today, but he was kind enough to share these recollections about how he and Dr. Watson changed the course of scientific history. On Saturday, February the 28th, 1953, in Cambridge, England, Jim discovered the way the four bases, the four letters of the genetic alphabet, are paired in DNA. The reason this was so exciting is because it immediately suggested that the way genes might replicate. And so convey an immense amount of information from one generation to the next. Jim recalls that we went to the local pub, the Eagle, where I announced to everybody that we had discovered the secret of life. For all people who are getting B-minuses in biology, did you get mostly A's or? I got a B in my first course. Oh, good, okay. Yeah. Come on, the second. Thanks. Oh. Were you the smartest kid in the class? No. You were on a quiz program in Chicago for whiz kids. Yeah, it was called the quiz kids. The quiz kids, which was for geniuses, right, who knew a lot of stuff. Well, in my case, we lived next door to the producer. So they had to have losers, you know, there were either bright ones, and then they had the older kids who would lose to the bright younger kids. So how old were you when you went on the show? It was 13, old. Oh, you were old. So how old did you do? I was on three times, and then I lost to a six-year-old girl. Now, you're 17 years old when you ask the question, how come a hippopotamus will always create a baby hippopotamus, or a giraffe, a baby giraffe? You never get a mama giraffe creating a hippo. This never happens. So you were 25 when you found out the answer. What is that like?  So you don't have to wait to 25 to try something difficult. In the moment when you actually figured it out, this is one of those things where you always wonder, was it an adrenaline rush?  Or was it relief? Well, 50 years ago, I can't remember. I'm sure I was just felt very happy. You know, I had the answer, and the answer seemed so good that it was gonna be right. And how important was it that you had a partner? Very important, because I didn't know any physics, and interpreting data from physical measurements was important. So I had to have someone who would say, well, this really means this. Initially, I thought I'd have to learn physics, but then I realized it was quicker just to ask Francis.  It's, well, how do you figure out the structure of a chemical? Yeah, that was our problem. Neither of us knew any chemistry, and we were trying to do chemistry. So we floundered for the first couple of months we looked like fools. And just so we have a perspective, Francis Collins, at the time when this discovery was made, what did people know about inheritance? Not a lot. Certainly people knew that inheritance somehow traveled from generation to generation, and that that was somehow mediated by chromosomes that you could see under the microscope. And back in 1944, it was pretty convincingly showed, although not everybody believed it, that it was DNA that was the hereditary material that mattered, but nobody understood how that worked or how it could possibly carry all this information.  They presumed that, but until Watson and Crick came along and laid out this beautiful structure, and it really is a structure which has a beauty to it that only a few things could claim in terms of the scientific world to live up to this standard, and suddenly it all made sense. This is how you carry information. This is how you replicate information. And last question, if it's a beautiful problem, did you know you had it when the solution looked beautiful to you? Just seemed unlikely there'd be another solution that could be as good. So you just looked at the thing, the way you'd fit it together and you went, yeah. We had a scheme for how you could copy a specific molecule and everyone thought, that's very tricky to have it very accurate and we had an accurate scheme and most people saw it and they said, it's right. Dr. Collins, if you think back to your days as a student, can you recall your reaction on learning that someone had come up with the structure of DNA or does that go back a bit too far? Well, it doesn't go back as far as it should because I regret to say when I was a high school student taking biology, I don't think they taught me this stuff. So I didn't learn about the structure of DNA until I was already a graduate student in physical chemistry. That was my original field of scientific interest and I took this additional sort of mind-expanding course and what do you know, it really expanded my mind. Can you go with me over to this table here? I have something I wanna do with you which may bring back to the old days. The problem to be solved is we were going to have four chemicals, this one and this one. Now, Jim, what was the problem you were trying to solve? These four chemicals, which may very well be the ones that tell the next generation how to grow, have to be organized in some way. What was the problem? The problem was I thought they had different sizes and shapes and how could we put them together in pairs so they occupied exactly the same space and such that any base could be on either of the two shapes. So you wanted the chemicals to sit comfortably one on top of another like in an apartment building or something? Well, they were to pair. They were to come together in pairs. And the size of the pair, all pairs should have the same size. Yet we had four different bases. Let's just reverse so we can see what we're dealing with here. All right, I've got an A and a C and you've got a T and a G. So when my shapes, they just... Doesn't work. I think you really want to do it this way. Let's see, yes. Okay, so that's one configuration you got. Can you duplicate that one? All we're looking here for is same-same. If we can get same-same, we're in... Here, but give it to the Nobel Laureate, take this. We were doing something like that. Now, let me just get the sense here. Once you realize that they are the same and that they sit opposite each other and they flip, and you can break them in half and they'll break them in part, at that moment, that's the moment of discovery. Yes, that they have these wonderful shapes so that any base could go on any train. You make this discovery entirely by yourself. There's no one else in the room. But Francis comes in now, about 20 minutes later, right? He comes in about 20 minutes later and he sees this symmetry as good for the flip-flop. It actually works perfect. So after 20 minutes, you realize what you'd figured out? Yeah, our success came from doing it. Once you started doing it, it was trivial. So we're over here looking at this model of DNA and there seems to be something missing. That would be... What's missing here? The sugars and the phosphate backbone. Yeah, so you can see the bases here sort of nicely stacked up, but there's nothing holding them together except for this funny sort of strand in this big post in the middle. I don't think DNA has a post in the middle either. So we have to figure out how to make this whole thing hold together. We'll see if we can fix it up. Okay, so just pretend I have the sugar here and the sugar here. And since they're running anti-parallel, one of them would have a phosphate group on the fifth carbon and it would stick out. And on the other end, on the same side, the same side, this same strand with the same length of bases attached to the same backbone, then at the other end, there would be the last phosphate group would be on a three prime, a third carbon. And on the other one, it would just be the offset. I'm really sorry, this is very convoluted. We'll have a quiz in about 30 seconds. Everybody got your pencils, we're ready to go. No, you got it, great, that's fantastic. You can go back, you see, thank you very, very much. And with the description of the double helix in 1953, scientists, much like her, learned the structure of DNA and even slower than she's taking it. So it took another 13 years actually to crack the genetic code and that accomplishment determined the three-letter words that specify the all-important building blocks of proteins. It eventually became clear that if scientists could determine the order of all these three billion letters in human DNA, we would have a complete instruction book for building, running and maintaining human life. The dataset that we're creating here is going to provide an extraordinarily rich and deep foundation for biomedical research in the next century and beyond. And I think it will change how we do that sort of work. Now here today, we have maybe 15 people sequence 100,000 molecules of DNA a day. And the way we actually do that is by taking a pretty big piece, a large piece of DNA into our lab and breaking it up into smaller pieces, taking those smaller pieces, each as individuals and sequencing them one by one, determining the order of the letters, the G, the A, the T, the C. As it moves down the hallway, it gets chopped up into small bits that work their way through all of these robotic lines to get purified sequence and eventually hit a sequencer which will give you the fluorescent readout of every base pair in that fragment of DNA. And at the end of that process, assembling all that information, all those letters, and actually reconstructing the original molecule we started with, we can't suddenly optimize how we're doing this. We don't consider that we've ever found the right way to do it, but we should just keep trying to make it better every single day. Ultimately, we'd like to be able to sequence everybody's DNA so that we can assist them in preventative medicine and in other cures for genetic diseases. In order to understand a little bit more about genes, it's a challenging subject and many of our ideas about ourselves and others come from this search. So here's what we're gonna be talking about. We are going to perform an audition for your taste buds. This is called the PTC test. And here to help us is Dennis Draina. He's a PhD. He's from the National Institute on Deafness and Other Communication Disorders. And he's a leader of a team that has just identified the gene responsible for an important difference in our ability to taste bitter substances. And so he's gonna go ahead and take us through the exercise. Thank you, well, welcome to your genome in action, so to speak. I see all of you by now have your little strip of white paper and on that white paper, don't test it yet, is a substance that some people in the world can taste and some people in the world cannot. Because of the progress of the Human Genome Project, we have just recently been able to make a discovery as to the actual underlying genetic difference that actually causes this in all of us here today. So we're first gonna do a demonstration and I'm gonna ask you all to put the piece of paper in your mouth now, all right, and wet it with saliva. Go ahead. Do we have it? We've all got it. Can we take it out? Okay, can you all take it out, please? Very good. Now, I heard a few things that would suggest to me some of you tasted something, all right? Is that true? Do we have some people who could taste something? Could I see the hands of people who didn't taste anything? Wow, a large difference. Excellent. So it turns out about worldwide, about a third of the people in the world are unable to taste this normally. And about two thirds of the world can taste this. It turns out this simple difference between us is inherited as a simple trait, was discovered more than 70 years ago, but it wasn't until a few months ago with the help of the genome project that we were actually able to identify the gene which causes this, all right? Turns out it is due to a gene which resides on chromosome seven and it's a gene which specifies a bitter taste receptor. This is a gene, the gene product of which exists, it's expressed in the taste buds on our tongue, all right? And it turns out there are two major forms of this gene in the world today. There is the taster form and there's the non-taster form and they are very ancient origin, all right? Now, here to help me explain our two loyal assistants who are going to help lead through this. Now, the first thing I'd like to point out here on the first screen is that the genome is a very, very large amount of information, so much so that you can't put it on paper. It turns out there are two forms of this gene. There is a taster form and there's a non-taster form and they differ at actually three positions, all right? There is a so-called proline at this position, there is an alanine at this position and there's a valine in the third position in the taster form of the gene. Whereas those of you who are not tasters can see that in this case where the tasters have a proline, you probably have an alanine and likewise there's a valine in the middle position and a nice elucidine in the last position. So that is the basic underlying difference between the DNA in our chromosomes. So who would have known about this? I know that you have more to share with us, Dr. Draina, but first I'm gonna ask you in the audience now. How many or rather how much of your DNA, just take a look at your neighbor just for a second and ask yourself how many of the letters in the neighbor are the same as your letters in your DNA? The answer is 99.9% the same. There's only one tenth of 1% difference between any two people on earth and I'm talking about a sumo wrestler and a pygmy warrior. So this one tenth of a percent, Francis Collins, gotta be a pretty interesting one tenth of a percent. Absolutely, and remember the genome is three billion letters so even one tenth of a percent is a lot of differences between two people, something like that. And that accounts for all the differences we see? It accounts for all of the hereditary variations that we see, of course there are differences between people that aren't hereditary. Look at identical twins, they're not quite identical if you look close enough. Right, okay, all right. Well, for a closer look now at how scientists analyze these variations in genes, let's return to our example of the PTC gene and to Dr. Draina. Well, the additional interesting point about this gene is that in fact there are two major forms of this gene in the world in general with one important exception. In the part of Africa that is below the Sahara, so in what's called sub-Saharan Africa, it turns out there are many more forms of this gene that naturally occur. And the explanation for why there are only two major forms of this gene in the rest of this world probably has a great deal to do with the fact that most of us in the world today are actually the descendants of a small group of people who made it out of Africa perhaps 100,000 years ago and subsequently rapidly expanded to colonize the remainder of the world. Thank you very much. Who knows where genomics will take us next? It has been even for scientists, it's kind of hard to keep up with today's rapid pace of discovery and things are likely to move even faster in tomorrow's world. So before we rush headlong into the future, let's listen carefully to these words from Dr. Crick.  May we learn to use it wisely. As we enter the world or this new era of the genome, wisdom is an important word. Advances are certain to affect many areas of our lives in medicine, in law, in agriculture, in ecology. The list does seem endless. And because this era touches so many areas of our lives and raises so many issues, questions that often cannot be resolved quickly or very simply, but demand everybody's attention, we thought we'd pay attention to some of these issues. Dr. Watson began to tackle these questions when when he was the first leader of the Human Genome Project, he set up something, actually devoted three to 5% of the budget for research into the ethical, legal and social implications called LC issues, which is ethical, legal, social implications. It's an acronym. This idea was unprecedented in biomedical research. Why did you decide to do that? Well, I think everyone is concerned with the privacy of their own genetic information. Most of us wouldn't want to know that someone else was reading this information because this information is way, it's sort of saying what our future is gonna be like. Hints as to whether we might die at 50 or die at 70 or maybe at 20. But by the very nature of things, since I'm no expert in how to do this, if someone takes my blood and takes my DNA, somebody or some machine owned by somebody is gonna see this stuff. Someone writes, I couldn't keep it private and still learn it. Well, I think it could be, there could be a law which says it's illegal for someone who takes my blood, say to measure cholesterol concentration to look at my genes. So right away you knew that you had to take some of the money that you've been given and put it into these questions which flow right out of the medicine and right out of the science. Because if other people have the knowledge they might discriminate against me or my children or something. And Francis Collins, you've been running the program for about a decade now. Have the issues that come up, have they been well handled or is it, what are you trying to do, solve them or just notice them? I think this is an experiment. We've never tried this before where we're exploring the ethical, legal and social implications of a genetic revolution while the revolution is happening, not waiting for some future moment where there's a crisis and everybody goes, oh my gosh, why didn't we think about that? And so over the course of these 10 years, thanks to Jim's wisdom in starting this program, we have funded a cohort of some of the best and brightest ethicists and social scientists and lawyers and theologians to look at these issues and try to prioritize where we need to take action and then fed that information to legislators and policymakers and ask them to do something. But weren't you worried that some issue would come up and the answer to the question you asked would be, stop, don't do that, don't take the blood, don't find out, don't know, don't learn. You know, the answer to that is that would be the most unethical thing you could do. If this research is gonna give you answers to schizophrenia and heart disease and cancer, you're gonna really say, I'm sorry, we can't figure out these ethical issues so we'll have to stop now. Won't fly. Okay, and you didn't worry about it. What did you do? So therefore, you just wanted scrutiny. I wanted people to be aware of the issues. I knew they would not be easy to solve but we should be aware of them. Now, let's look for, well, let's ask some questions about this because these are tough issues not only for you and watching but for the students here joining us in our discussion. So we're gonna ask Vince Bonham of the National Human Genome Research Institute to join us. Vince, you can come on in and sit, you get the red chair which I guess you color coordinated with the ties. That's good. Vince Bonham is not only a professor of law but he's also written extensively on race and genomics. Welcome. Thank you. Our students have some questions for you Vince. Anybody wanna start? Just a hand up, just someone volunteer, yeah. Go ahead. I want to know, does and if so, how does genetic information affect minorities? Let's talk about that question, affect minorities. And so the question is, what do you mean by minorities? And when you think about this country, the United States and the issue of minorities, clearly as you've discussed today there's not genetic differences based on specific minorities. There are differences in populations. But our history of our country where minorities have been treated differently that some people have been treated differently based on their ethnicity and their race. And so there is a historical issue here that is of concern with regards to genetic information making sure that people have access to services have are not discriminated against because of their certain group. But clearly from a genetic perspective there's not a general difference with minorities and majorities in the United States. How much genetic DNA profiling should be used in our everyday life for identification and is a 10th percent enough to make it work on a large scale? How much genetic, like what kind of situation are you thinking about? DNA profiling, like for getting your credit card numbers or something in a shopping market. And is a 10th percent enough for that to work on a large scale? No, I think there is plenty of information in that 0.1% to uniquely identify you or any one of us, unless you have an identical twin, you are unique on the planet. And so that certainly could be a viable way to do that sort of identification. But it does involve looking at your own instruction book and revealing stuff about you that you may just assume not have out there in somebody's database. So I don't think that's a practical way that we ought to be going. To what extent would the human genome be altered if genetic engineering was allowed? For instance, would it be only to prevent certain genetic diseases from happening or would it also be able to be used for altering a person's physical preferences? Out of curiosity, if I were to offer you the sight of an eagle, assuming that it could somehow be, would you want it? I don't know. Good answer, okay. I think that's a great question and the answer is largely gonna be up to all of you. Where do we want to set limits, if any? Clearly everybody's excited about the possibility of using genetics to cure terrible diseases, but there is no sharp dividing line between diseases and traits. If we could come up with a genetic way to cure obesity, would that be a good thing? Well, obesity can be a terrible disease. But if you imagine that being used just so that people who are already thin can get even thinner, then you're starting to wonder what we're doing here exactly. And exactly how that plays out is partly a function of the science because a lot of the things people talk about enhancing are not traits that are gonna be at all clean in terms of the genetics and a lot of its environment and we have to keep that in mind. And it's partly gonna be a consequence of societal norms and where we decide as a group, we think the boundaries ought to be if there are any. But there's some diversity that we also... I think it's important to our society with regards to differences in background and conditions of individuals. So some modifications may be going too far and I think that's one of the challenges that we all have ahead of us, particularly our students. But I'd argue that the choice should be left to the individual, the prospective parent. How would minority communities be encouraged to get involved in the genetic research? Well, I'll start with that question and then Francis, I know you can add to it. I think it's very important that we have a real diverse group of scientists involved in studying genomics because it's important scientists bring their background and their baggage to their work. And so it's important as we frame the questions and look at the findings that we have a variety of individuals involved. So it's important that you have the appropriate background and I'm gonna ask Dr. Collins to share some of the type of backgrounds that potentially we can meet. Well, surely if we want this field to blossom the way it now can building on this foundation of the genome project, we want the best and the brightest to work on it. And they don't all come from one particular group so we're hoping. And particularly to reach out to minority populations where perhaps science has not been a traditional pathway in the same way that I would love it to be, to make it clear that this is an opportunity where the doors are open and where the involvement of people with different backgrounds is gonna be crucial, both for pushing forward the basic science and also for thinking carefully about the societal implication. While we're talking about jobs, is there anything else you wanna say about jobs? Well, how many of you are interested in possibly taking on a career in science, particularly genetics and genomics? Is that something that's on your mind? Well, that's pretty impressive. Okay, see me afterwards, it'll sign you up. Well, let's frame the question differently. How many people may be interested in health policy or looking at the ethical issues and the legal issues? You know, my background is law, but I'm working with physicians and geneticists and individuals that are doing genomics research. So there's different ways to be involved and be engaged in the research. It is now time for us to end this program. We have been especially fortunate to have Dr. Watson and Dr. Collins with us today. I also wanna thank our students. Couldn't have done it without them. We also hope that you're convinced that the future of DNA truly belongs to you. Thanks to our ever-expanding knowledge of the human genome, DNA will play a greater role in your lives and your health than it has for any generation that's ever gone before. The era of the genome will also influence your career choices, your judicial system, even your self-identity, and none of this should be taken lightly. But let's also remember that the tremendous potential and power of this research to improve our world is there for you to use as you wish, led by you and your generation. We can only look forward to what the genomic revolution will bring. Thank you.