So, welcome to this conference. I hope you're having a great time up to date at Drupal North. This conference is a conference I have given at the Drupal Camp Montreal as well. And I'm pleased to say that a couple weeks ago, Akwi actually took the blog version of this conference and put it on their own blog, so this is also published on Akwi as an official blog. So, should you upgrade from Drupal 7 or should you migrate over to Drupal 8? So, if you have an existing platform or website on D7, should I be continuing to upgrade it or should I be migrating over to Drupal 8, which is basically the question we want to have answered today. So, the sequence of this conference is going to be... I'm going to talk about my company, why I'm allowed to talk about this, why this question is important for you as either website owners, business owners, or maintainers. The differences and similarities between Drupal 7 and 8, what factors can influence your decisions to looking really at the risks and benefits, and the conclusion. The goal for this conference is to be really more businessy as opposed to tech. I'm going to get into the advantages technologically, but I'm going to explain them as benefits and risks of migration or not, as opposed to showing lines of code or any other types of scenarios.  We've been around since 2004, which is a bit more than 13 years ago now, 13 and a half. We're 17 people internally, and our team has the most Drupal certified developers in Quebec in our team. We've known Drupal since Drupal 5, which is I think 2008 or something-ish around there, 2009. We are regular Drupal camp and Drupal North presenters and sponsors, so I'm glad to be here and talk with you as I've often come, but members of the team as well. I'm president at Symmetris. This is a cool little photo of our team at our offices in Montreal. I'm president there. I founded the company. I have been involved for a while in the Drupal community in giving talks and sponsoring and stuff. I also love traveling, love philosophy music in my family, my little girls. I brought them over to Ottawa and we're going to spend the rest of the weekend to have some fun around here and meet some friends. So, Chapter 1, staying with Drupal 7 or moving to Drupal 8 and why should we be asking ourselves this question? Why is it not a no-brainer? Should we automatically do one or automatically do the other? So, first of all, I'm going to start with a few assumptions that you've already invested in Drupal 7. You have a website and you want to make this website evolve and I don't need to convince you that Drupal 7 or Drupal in general is cool. I'm guessing people around the room here are already working with Drupal 7 at least, potentially already Drupal 8. That this website or web application that you have, you're looking to make it evolve. So, if it's just a static website or a static application and that there's a completely revamped version coming up, then that's not necessarily the context. So, what we do is we want to have something that already exists and bring it forward and enhance it.  Just kind of as a show of hands, has anybody in this room already made the decision to either upgrade Drupal 7 or Drupal 8? So, who has already moved over to Drupal 8? Anybody in the room? One, two, cool. So, the rest of you I'm guessing are still with Drupal 7. Is that am I correct? Are you even assuming? They're kind of nods. Okay, great. So, great. So, you guys are the right people I want to talk to. So, here are elements that are going to impact this decision that we're going to make. So, what's the best return on investments? So, the cost, the time. How much time again? How is this, the time it's going to take to implement is a factor? How quickly do you need the evolution made for your application or website? Are there going to be any changes? Now, you have an existing website, an existing application. What type of changes to the flexibility of it, to the stability of it, to the durability of it are going to impact your decision? Is there going to be, because you guys are owners of the website, but there's usually a lot of people who are interacting with this website. So, the people who are interacting with this website, what's the impact on them? Are you going to have to have somehow a new kind of training for these people because you're migrating over? Is that some factor you have to consider? Are there a lot of people involved or not? And your development team, so the guys internally who are maintaining the existing website or your external team, is this easier for them, more complicated for them? These are all different things that can impact the decision of moving to Drupal 8 or just staying with Drupal 7. So, not really spoilers here, but the answer is it depends. Okay, so the goal of this talk is to, based on your specific context, so each of one of you people have a specific context, and what I'm trying to do is kind of flag elements that in your context are important, that those elements are going to make you say, oh, based on those three criteria, I should be moving over to Drupal 8, or wait a minute, that's a major kind of red flag, I should be staying with Drupal 7. So, let's get into it actually. So, the differences, before we get into actually why or whatever, just kind of have a high level overview of what's the difference between Drupal 8 and Drupal 7, like as a really bird's-eye view. So, first of all, one has a number that's higher than the other, which means it's younger. So, Drupal 7 is now six years old-ish, six and a half, and Drupal 8 is fairly, it's not almost two years old. So, that's five years apart, so that means one of those two systems has a lot more work that has been done by the community over time, has a lot more modules, has a lot more updates and stuff like that have been done to it, but it also means that the main core code is more of a legacy type code because we're Drupal enough, we're behind it, or investing much more heavily in Drupal 8 now. So, it's kind of a, you have to understand that these two contexts where oftentimes we're going to start a Drupal 8 website and we're used to, oh, we're going to use this module we used to use all the time and it's either not stable yet or there's an alternate version of it and we have to adapt to that. So, those are things we have to consider when we're moving on the new system and the old system has a lot, a lot of stuff going on, but there's stuff that Drupal 8 fixes that was kind of buggy or difficult to do in Drupal 7. There's three main categories of technical enhancements that Drupal 8 brought to Drupal 7 at Drupal 7.5. So, first of all, managing the configuration. One of the main pet peeves anyway that my team went on and on all the ways about is that Drupal 7 and previous versions of Drupal had a mix of configurations of the system in the database and in the code. Now, in Drupal 8, the reason why it's a pet peeve is that when you're updating a new version of the website or adding a module or doing some tweak to a Drupal 7 website and you have live content on the website, which is also in the database, when you're kind of pushing that to the live version, you kind of have to have a code freeze or another code freeze, I mean a content freeze where I stop inputting content because now we have to migrate the configuration and then you have to kind of click on all these configurations manually and then, okay, now you can start working on the website. There was kind of workarounds, but that's basically how you had to do it and that was one of the main issues with why configurations were in the database as well as in the code. In Drupal 8, it's structured so that you can deploy configurations as code. So that means you can have the live site going on and updating content and adding new content or whatever and then deploy the code of those configurations onto the live website and not have to kind of freeze your content inputting or managing tasks. So that makes deployments much easier to do and it makes them much more sophisticated so that you can do a lot of more frequently made deployments of time little things and it's not going to impact the live site. So that's a main enhancement in Drupal 8, so taking those configurations out of the database. I'm sure Omar knows these things and there's probably configurations still in the database but they're just exported into code and then kind of re-imported. Am I correct in saying that? I'm correct. So secondly, the code itself of Drupal is cleaner. It uses symphony and twig which is object-oriented frameworks I guess which makes standardized code. The code in Drupal is more standardized so different developers are going to work on it but they're going to use kind of object-oriented which is more logical in a way structured so it's easier to manage that code and it's cleaner in general. It also requires by the way for developers to be familiar with object-oriented programming which is a step up from people who kind of worked around stuff and now they have to really know how to program when they're working on Drupal 8. And finally, there are more modules that were integrated into the core of Drupal in Drupal 8. So by default and probably all programmers when they set up a new Drupal website are going to automatically include a bunch of modules which are like every time I set up a site I'm always going to kind of put this, this, this, this, this, this, this. Well and those are not automatically included in the core we have to add those on top of the installation then we just kind of add it to our workflow when we start a website. In Drupal 8, some of those which are the most important and popular modules have been integrated into the core. Mainly from our point of view, views and multilingualism. So views is basically the module that allows you to view content in different lists or whatever in Drupal. Most of content display from what we create uses views. And multilingualism which used to be in the past internationalization and localization and other kind of modules that had to be mixed around that that had added to the website and there was different ways of approaching multilingualism and this and that. Well now there's a core structure of multilingualism built into Drupal 8 so it's much more standardized and the fact that it's in the core that means that Acquia is the company behind the core of Drupal you know has a specific set of teams that are dedicated to upgrading those modules so there's kind of a guarantee behind them more than there was in the past. So those are the three main I'd say business advantages of the technical enhancements in Drupal 8 and why Drupal 8 is better as a platform than Drupal 7. Business wise what that means is that it's easy there's also other things that come included which are not technical which means it's easier to edit content. So on the fly you kind of go in there the management of pages there's a module called paragraph which makes it easier to have pages that have lots of different types of content and manage those. You can manage content on the mobile the back end is mobile friendly so you can kind of get this conference up in your Drupal website blah blah blah post the thing which was more complicated in Drupal 7 unless you had the right theme for the back end. As we said earlier since the multilingualism module is now part of the core the whole language support aspect of Drupal is much more fluid and standard so there's a better multilingual support and being in Canada basically every site we work on has multilingualism so we're real happy that that is set up. Now there's a typo there, more digital ecosystem integrations but by default Drupal is integrated with all kinds of different external tools and there's APIs for those tools to link to Drupal and vice versa and there's a couple of them already set up. I know I was talking with the guys at AQUI a couple weeks ago and they were saying also that there's going to be if it's not already set up there's like this big integration with actually Drupal and Magento for e-commerce even though there's a Drupal commerce module but they're trying to integrate more with external tools which is kind of a trend in general right now to say that hey like you know I'm guessing like if you guys know Slack which is like this texting thing it's always integrated with all these things like MailChimp is integrated with all those things and Salesforce is integrated so Drupal already has all those kind of connections set up and they're adding to those. As I mentioned before since the way the configurations of Drupal are made you can deploy them in the code the deployments themselves are much faster to do and you can do them more frequently so you can have different versions of the website or corrections that can be brought to the website and it's much easier to implement them and they're less risk prone as to when you're kind of working with different content. There's a better performance and scalability in general every kind of version of a software usually adds in performance and scalability enhancements so Drupal is no exception to that the nitty-gritty of that honestly I'm not that aware of what that means but I know that in general it's good the impact is more often on really large scale sites that have a lot of integrations of data and every kind of page view is integrating with all kinds of data and database calls that's one case the other case is sites that have like phenomenal number of page views and then again performance is always a mix of the application itself the Drupal, the way it was programmed and the server and the configurations of that server so there's all kinds of difference there's hosting providers that are set up specifically for Drupal and then there's different sizes of RAM and whatever it is that you can set up so performance is not only related to how you're using Drupal or how you're coding your website it's also related to the infrastructure upon which it is set up but those together make for a better setup in Drupal 8 as opposed to Drupal 7 and content as a service is a concept that was called Headless Drupal in Drupal 7 and now I'm hearing a lot of decoupled Drupal which is kind of the word now basically what that means is that you can use Drupal as a content management system but not a content display system whereas let's say you want to manage all a bunch of let's say you have a cooking empire whatever and you have a bunch of recipes and you want to manage all your recipes in that system or you can do them all in the Drupal system but you can then have that Drupal back end where you added that content and managed that content export the API or JSON or whatever to external systems that are going to display those recipes in different formats it could be a web app it could be a mobile application it could be a website but those are not necessarily need to be in Drupal Drupal is basically your content repository where you put all your stuff and it has connectors that other systems can connect to so that's in Drupal 8 approaching Drupal in that fashion where you're using it just to manage content and not the way it's displayed it's better set up it also means that even if you are displaying content with your Drupal it can be fetched from other systems as well let's say you want to have a newsletter where it automatically gets the latest article and blah blah blah it's an easier to do so those are all the main enhancements I would say that Drupal 8 has as opposed to Drupal 7 in general now that doesn't mean because all these cool new doodads are there that you absolutely need to migrate over to Drupal 8 so now I'm going to go through different factors that can influence that decision that you guys are going to be making up to date everything is clear? yeah so factors that are going to influence that decision your current Drupal setup what does that mean? it means that you might have a very simple website very simple setup to your Drupal and that's going to be easier to migrate to Drupal 8 than if you have a lot of custom modules a lot of content interaction a lot of advanced synchronization with other systems all that stuff was kind of custom built took a lot of hours of development and that means a part of those hours would have to be redone for Drupal 8 because it's not structured exactly the same way so if your Drupal 7 let's say is a website that displays a list of events and that's about it then that is probably a more interesting candidate for migrating over to Drupal 8 if your website has those events plus a login plus an integration with another system then it's just that you have to kind of add it into your ROI calculation to say okay well how much time is it going to take to migrate over or not secondly the quantity and complexity of your data so I'm kind of answering my second question already with my first one I was explaining is that the more your data is complex the more complicated it's going to be to migrate to the new system so if you have a long click migrate like I love that but there's all kinds of differences and everything is done custom sorry if everything is done custom it's going to be more complicated to move over obviously your own budget is going to be a factor here so if you have a lot of time and a lot of money well hey go ahead like why not be even nice new shining Drupal 8 as opposed to that being said sometimes functionalities that do exist in Drupal 7 are not 100% existing in Drupal 8 and need to be custom made so there's some situations where that might not be correct I'm going to get into in about 5 minutes I'm going to give you like scenarios and one of the scenarios is related to this budget aspect what's the scope of your upcoming enhancements so let's say hey you know what I want to do I want to add a new field in my contact form that might not justify an upgrade to Drupal 8 since your site is working it's in Drupal 7 you have a contact form great you're going to add I don't know would you recommend this field that doesn't work why it's like 5 hours of not even programming so it's not worth it to transfer to Drupal 8 if you have a significant enhancement saying hey I have a website and I'm going to add a new e-commerce component to it or I'm going to add a login system where people can view their their profile or something well that's a significant enhancement to a website and that instead of doing it in Drupal 7 and then having to in a year or two or three redo that in Drupal 8 it might be a good time to move to Drupal 8 right now if that second part of your next phase of the website is a significant enhancement to the website how long do you want to have this website in the future so in that sense is if you're planning for a redesign let's say you know you're going to have a rebranding you just merged with another company or you're thinking of having a completely new version of your brand or something blah blah or well those types of situations are going to require programming in any case so in that sense if you know you're going to be doing a redesign of the website within a year or two well stay with your Drupal 7 now because within a year or two when you do that whole redesign or first minute or whatever well then that's the time when you should migrate over to Drupal 8 instead of spending that money twice and finally if you're looking to build a completely new project that's completely standalone then obviously go with Drupal 8 because Drupal 8 right now is stable enough like if we were three months after the launch of Drupal 8 right now I'd be like you know let's see how it goes whatever and I've talked with actually it took us a while here at Symmetris to adopt Drupal 8 and we're kind of happy we did because we were talking with a lot of companies and in the first year after launch people were having a lot of difficulty setting up Drupal 8 and we thought we could do this with Drupal 8 but it's not ready yet and blah blah but right now the Drupal 8 version that exists is very stable, has a lot of modules in it so any new website I would definitely recommend that Drupal 8 the one case where I wouldn't would be is let's say you have a whole fleet of websites or a multi-site or something like that and you'd have like this one site that you want to integrate with the others while you probably want to keep that same technology that the other ones are in or have the same backend as the other ones just to kind of maintain the cohesion of how everything is set up technologically and how your team is updating the websites let's say you have like ten sites that are being updated that have different kind of frame that they're all linked together by content or whatever in that case I'd stick with the technology that you guys already have and if you're going to be migrating to a completely new multi-site version then that's when you would transfer to a multi-site Drupal 8 in the future so you just have to consider your digital ecosystem because it's really difficult for site maintainers to have one site in WordPress one site in Drupal 7, one site in Drupal 8 one site which is linked to some kind of you know JavaScript thing linked to a Salesforce it's like every new site is just like a new set of things to do so just to streamline your team's productivity I'd say use the same platform for all your content delivery so that in general are different elements that are going to impact that decision so so that's basically kind of the gist of what needs to be taken into account and now I'm going to give you stay with Drupal 7 in these cases stay with Drupal 8 in these cases obviously each context is specific and different but these are kind of examples of times when I think you should be going with Drupal 7 and should be going with Drupal 8 I'm going to be sort of repeating myself but it's just to really be clear about which scenario we recommend which direction so stay with Drupal 7 if you are not planning any major enhancements so if any broke don't fix it in a sense why spend money to move something that's not really going to be evolving stay with Drupal 7 if you're planning a complete redesign within the next two years and at that point move to Drupal 8 if you have a lot of custom developed modules custom workflows workflows are a big impact rules I'm not sure I think it's now works with Drupal 8 but it took a while to be a 100% functional Drupal 8 if you have interactions with external systems be it a CRM an internal database inventory stuff or whatever those are all programming heavy elements you would have to decide to be rebuilding the whole thing if you're going with Drupal 8 and that's a lot of investment stay with Drupal 7 if you really want to deploy something quickly because if you have a project say hey it would be cool to move to Drupal 8 of my whatever website which is let's say the scale of I don't know it took 500 hours to build or something don't say hey great we'll have our new version of Drupal 8 in November you're going to have to test it and this and that so if you have something that needs to be done because you have a product launch in like early October and you have a month and a half frame well don't move over to Drupal 8 because it's still there's a lot of uncertainty the people you're working with internally or externally have to kind of translate whatever was done in Drupal 7 into Drupal 8 so you have to have the time to do it when you're moving over and if you need to keep the budget as light as possible in the short term then stay with Drupal 8 it's kind of like a it's not technical debt maybe it's like business debt or something in the sense where you're going to have to migrate over to Drupal 8 one day so if you don't want to spend too much now you can not spend too much now but what's going to happen is that the pattern I see often is that I won't spend too much now I'm just going to patch up this thing now I'm going to do Drupal 8 like next year and then January comes like yeah well I'm just going to repatch that other patch and then what happens is like within a year and a half we're going to have this in French we call it Zinagales but it's like this website that you have no idea what's linked with what it's super complicated and the things that are you know you're going to be fixing this thing and then that thing is going to break and then there's going to be an emergency that you have to move over to Drupal 8 and blah blah blah so ideally if you're migrating over at Planet and kind of keep to that because otherwise you're just going to be patching patches and then it's just going to break and then you know pointing fingers and blah blah blah it doesn't necessarily get to that now one should you move to Drupal 8 if you have a new important feature to add so this big kind of let's say I'm going to add e-commerce to my website that's a big feature if you need to guarantee support for more than five years because Drupal historically has maintained the current and the last version of Drupal when they do security patches and upgrading stuff like that so when Drupal 9 is going to come out Drupal 7 probably will stop being maintained within a couple months of Drupal 9 coming out and based on calendars usually it's about four or five years between Drupal versions I'd say again I don't have a magic crystal ball but so if you're aiming that this website that you have you want to maintain support on it for the next five years or more then you should be migrating over to Drupal 8 now if you regularly update content like super frequently and use multiple languages just the workflow of all that is easier in Drupal 8 so it's like regulated by the time saved and productively by your team if your website is low complexity and you know you're going to be using it in the future just migrate it over because it won't be that much of an investment to switch it over if you can right now invest more time and money up front to reduce the cost down the line of maintaining this website great I love all my clients to say that but life happens but ideally it's all about maintenance and prevention it's like kind of a vaccine as opposed to you know having to as I was saying earlier you're going to patch and patch and patch and then you're going to have to kind of put it on the respirators and have emergency teams come in but ideally you're kind of exercising and eating well which is basically upgrading to the latest version all the time if you're deploying all the time and you have all kinds of new versions your app is really kind of theoretical agile sprint approach where every two weeks you have like a deployment of this thing well move over to Drupal 8 which is going to save some time and frustration to your team because it's really complex to deploy in Drupal 7 as opposed to Drupal 8 if you have higher requirements for performance scalability again I mentioned those earlier I'm not as knowledgeable about these concepts but Drupal 8 is better and that's really with larger scale websites and again as I mentioned if you're starting a new project like jump into Drupal 8 no hesitation there so that basically covers my recommendations of should we be staying with Drupal 7 moving to Drupal 8 I'd like to find out if any of you in the room have any questions and just before that I'm just saying if you guys are in the Montreal region and you know people who are developers I'm super interested in finding new developers for our team we're actually looking right now for an additional developer so if you do please get in touch Any questions? Cool, any back? Have you taken your time through very large scale depends on how you define large scale usually what happens when we're talking really large scale we take the opportunity to say well do we really want to reproduce exactly what's in the Drupal 7 website or take this opportunity to rethink the DH website and say we're going to keep the kind of the business objectives that it attains and the content that it has but maybe this module is not really required anymore maybe we can approach it this way so when it's larger scale we usually approach it as a new project that has really kind of a really good base on which to work the danger that we or not danger is probably a too big word the situation that arises often is that a client is going to say well I have all this in my Drupal 7 website I want to find it in my Drupal 8 like why would I remove this thing it's already there but you have to think of it as saying well it's not because it's there that we're going to click a button 20 hours to migrate it over maybe we should invest those 20 hours in a module that really is an added value for your client as opposed to just kind of because it's there let's continue using it but often times that mentality is it's there already, sticks I don't know about that I have a specific question this certainly do you point that the clients that you have their expectations are more operated rather than so large and that's the problem the situation about it's supposed to bring life well usually it boils down to what I was explaining in the context so either I have a client who says well look I don't have that much of a budget and I just want to do this tweak or this fix and like okay and you know we can recommend and go over but again they won't be able to unlock the amount of time it takes I'll tell you if they have a reason to know that they come to you asking for features and that's when we apply the logic that it is this work I haven't had the case where a client says oh I want to relate because it is the latest thing and if that's what I'm saying then you can still answer the ideas for that and yes and often since it's such a major thing you know that's to move over to Drupal especially with complex websites the reason why I say that is that Symmetres are special to these more complex websites so it's very rare that we're going to do the website for a restaurant across the street we do workflows and internets so it's always going to be this major investment moving over so it's like hey let's take some time to do an analysis phase and discovery phase and then we have the opportunity to re-conceptualize this project and attain those business needs as opposed to let's say we're just migrating to kind of migrate in that sense what we do is just we just say to the client well if you don't have any business needs that are additional to achieve let's just continue updating and upgrading you know we do a monthly we call it a prevention plan so we update all the models on the website and we've got a very large complicated one of the websites that would make more sense to migrate to the part where we're slowly migrating to make more of the points in one phase of reputation as well that's an interesting question I would say more just to break this side apart we already have a lot of tasks we have just written four or five so sort of thinking like new features coming up let's say one make maps for sites make like a maps by service and just connect to that via REST rather than maybe once we were running that so perhaps in our case we would be able to because in that context we're saying it's just using the content in the new Drupal and then connecting it it might be an easier way to approach it if it's really a full fledged site it's going to be weird to have like when you're clicking on this link you're going to the Drupal way when you're clicking on this link you're going to the Drupal 7 and then just linking it all together and then when you're going to be completely it's going to just take too much time I think you're going to spend a lot of time managing these two versions that are side by side and all the impacts that that could have so I'd say probably no it's a kind of a reverse kind of like 2-3 kind of models one sense of people is like 30-40 copies of the site and certainly features might break other features we implemented and created and that's one of the great reasons too for people to simplify so much more than we might for the extent with the core recipes for doing it when you use that recipe for images and mass recipes we have one people suddenly want to go through the recipes when they get into what they want to do whereas if you play it's going to be one of the main ones because it's in core and it's going to be more centered and you're not going to have 300 different models that you can have so they could try to be like 100% of the site the bare essentials can save all the models they don't need that sounds good I always like the idea of minimal viable product because often times a website has the 80-20 rule where 20% of your features or whatever it is or functionalities are 80% of the time used and the rest are basically kind of dragging on but not that many people use it so removing stuff from your existing website often times seems like you're backtracking but often times it's like just focusing on the right stuff if I could just move it which is I think it's absolutely the right thing to look at what is the minimal viable product problem I've played before and so what will it be in the future way actually when we're moving it when you're creating a link for yourself and why when you have it in the way it will have that stuff with the real reason to work at reducing the stuff if you want to keep it for something you realize that it's making you it's very mature that's the reason to work at reducing it so that you save something if you are going to switch to the way you don't want to go into the way you're working on it just go ahead and do it and explore it with this simple file I think a lot of times when we're migrating websites we're going to be 67.1 if they're websites you'll have fields, functionality, work flows that meant something in that sense to go they need to know what they need which is a patching it's called a spaghetti code I like that and just a thought on the final I think we should really be flexible be forced to be able to evolve I think 9 is going to be about 6 months out really? I remember waiting for Drupal 7 and waiting for Drupal 8 and never having it kind of like being announced being announced and push 6 months and then push 9 months again I wouldn't of course I remember like 5 as well I remember how long it was but I think because of that we're trying to have a whole lot of kids so I think that's the plan and I think the move from 8.49 is going to be like that it's going to be a lot of issues yeah I think there was a major evolution from 7 to 8 and I don't think 8 to 9 is that going to be that significant look it's going to be a big it's going to be a reversion but I don't think they're going to completely re-read the database I think the promise is that if Drupal 8 so that's something that we're going to send a website and Drupal 7 and 8 this will happen some time next year really? well that's the case yeah right that's something bigger okay well then we're going to just re-read the database very interesting so non-technical question more from a business standpoint that may be technical over here a new project that are sold on Drupal that want to make sure that they're making the investment moving forward but are using other technology such as CIPI CRM that are not currently supported on D8 what is the act like I'm trying to talk to some of the clients about can you hold on for a little while if you really want to go to D8 or is it better to go to D7 but you might have to upgrade that in a couple of years what is the actual thought among people on this right now I mean for somebody that's not a developer well the CIPI CRM is a specific case in the sense where from my experience of CIPI CRM it's kind of branded as an extension or a module to Drupal but basically it's like a CMS in itself that kind of connects to Drupal it's kind of like saying I'm adding Salesforce to Drupal you know I don't think that like CIPI CRM could almost exist as a standalone thing apart from Drupal so in that specific case I'd say do we what type of integration they need between the CIPI CRM and the Drupal because I'd just say go with Drupal 8 and then have the CIPI CRM kind of stand alone on the side and I think it pops into a Drupal 7 to do the Drupal version but then just don't customize that Drupal leave the CIPI CRM kind of so try it with the two systems try to separate them for now because that's the way CIPI CRM from my experience works anyway it's kind of like trying to take over your Drupal and do it their way as opposed to kind of do it the Drupal way so if they're working they're really adamant on Drupal I have no hesitation to recommend Drupal 8 because based on our experience and the fact that it's almost two years you know running time the modules that we felt were missing are now there so it's stable enough to build new sites and it has all the advantages that Drupal 7 didn't have so yes I highly recommend Drupal 8 as opposed to 7 and again that's another reason Drupal 7 within a year won't be supported so you know again probably to be realistic I'd say within half to two years but still that's in that investment time if they're going to be building this it's going to be launched in 2018 so that's a year, year and a half that's why CIPI mentioned that it could be coming up like the end of life sooner than that that's why I just instantly thought that kind of changes right because I assumed again as I was mentioning it would be another four to five years window but if it's a two through year window it's we're going to be talking about issues so nice and we're going to have spring but it's going to be another year right but is it going to come out for real is it going to be like a beta or a full nine just out of curiosity just out of curiosity where did you see the all of you I understand cool alright thank you is any other questions I don't have one last question a lot of these things a lot of logic here was client facing logic but a lot if you're a triple shop or a service provider you're at one center to actually start planning a triple aid earlier develop that expertise play with the funky new toys and with the new release every minor point release you're actually getting new features every one one point two there's actually new stop coming with it that it is coming so you get used to playing with get familiar with selling to other people working with other people so if you're a service provider there's been more ways to play you should be starting to move your own to those sites we're definitely planning the aid the standalone sites are all going up that way it's just more for those people that are using the CPCRM to manage all of their clients and their donors I think what you presented was the exact way to do that hey how much can you afford to to hold off on this if you can afford or if you're ready for an investment again in a couple years that's the logic of the phrase yeah thanks thank you very much at a good end of a triple look


Welcome to the Knuckleheads of Liberty. So Pork Fest, tell us a little bit about Pork Fest, Dennis. And I'm sure some of our listeners would love to hear about some of these great things going on in Liberty around the country. Pork Fest stands for the Porcupine Freedom Festival. It's pork as in porcupine, not pork as in pig. Although we do have a big pig roast at the very end.  I try to explain to the celebritarians what Pork Fest is relative to all the other libertarian conferences. This is really more of a simulation of a week in living in Liberty. So it's basically an immersion into this experience of living in a voluntary, win-win exchange society. Last year we had 90 different hubs of people offering different types of vending or lounges or venues where they were giving talks and that type of thing. We had 700 events going on throughout the week. And an event could be like a workshop or a panel or a discussion. It also could be a knitting group or what have you. So all different people doing all different types of things. The underlying theme though is that we are all libertarian. We're there for the Free State Project. The Free State Project is this attempt to actually create a freed society in one place in the world in a small state of New Hampshire. And so about 19 years ago we had our first Pork Fest. It was called Escape to New Hampshire. And the purpose of that festival was to convince the people who were trying to vote for which state would be the Free State, which state they would choose to try to start up the Free State, that they would choose us. And so what we did was we had this gigantic party out in the mountains of New Hampshire, the North New Hampshire, and invited everybody who was going to vote. He said, come out here, see what New Hampshire is like, and then vote. And that was one of several reasons why New Hampshire won. But we are the longest continuous freedom festival in the world. We won that two years ago when everyone shut down for COVID. This is the Free State. We don't shut down for COVID. Everyone else was locked up and we were having our Pork Fest right there. So we're now 19 years and next year will be our XX, our 20th anniversary. Well, yeah, that's pretty interesting and also too with the whole COVID thing. I know even Freedom Fest, because they were set to go in Las Vegas, they got shut down. That's part of the reason they went to South Dakota the following year. So yeah, it's great that you guys were able to keep the tradition going. Well, I think a lot of people... I'm sorry, but that raises a question. How did you all handle COVID then? I mean, I know the state of New Hampshire did have restrictions and all that. How did you all handle that? We weren't supposed to have it, so we told them that we were going to have it and then we invited the governor to come and speak at it. We had a thing of enter at your own risk and do take care of yourself. We had special bands. I was actually going through some cancer treatments. So I actually exercised a lot of prudence at the time. I was one of the ones who wore the band and even though I'm kind of a huggy guy, I didn't hug. But it is, it's a campsite, so we were all outdoors. It's out in the sun, so it's all sunny. So in a way, it was a pretty safe environment. It's a fairly young group, so unless you were listening to the government, you knew that the risk was fairly low. But still, we're libertarians. The people who didn't want to come didn't come. It was actually one of our lowest attended festivals. We had only 900 people show up for that particular festival. So that was one of our lowest ever. Except the first ones, I mean, in modern time. But we had a grand time and I have to say the parents who came up, pork fest is a very kid-friendly place. A lot of families come. I always say that the people who have the most fun at pork fest are the pre-teens. So they're like the 10-year-old to 14-year-old group. These kids, especially where they were coming from, we're trying to get people from the authoritarian 49 to come. So they're locked down. Now they come to pork fest and they're free. They're running all over this gigantic campground and they are so entrepreneurial. And there's all these opportunities for them to make money. Last year there were kids who left pork fest with over a thousand dollars in dollars, gold, silver, you know, Bitcoin, you know, goldbacks, whatever. So they're going out, they're trading services, they're helping vendors sell things. They have such a great time there. So you said your last year event during COVID, of course, was attended by about 900. So in a normal year, quote-unquote, normal year, what is a normal attendance? That's a good question. So our normal average is around 1200, 1200 people. And we've been doing that. Our biggest high before I took over was 1500. Okay. 1500. Last year was the first year we sold out and I sold 2500. This year we're already sold out also and it's going to be, it's more than 2500. We've had 28. Oh, wow. Okay. And so one thing just to clarify too, so is this meant to be something where you can't for a whole week then or is it something where people can come for a day or two? Is that sort of the way it works? Well, no, it's an immersion. It's an immersion experience. So you come for the week. People will still, the tickets aren't all that expensive. So the people will come for a day and there's so much going on, so much excitement, so much fun that you come for a day. It's well worth the money for a day. But it's this experience of living in liberty. We spend our lives living in authoritarianism all the time. So what would it actually, what would it feel like if you lived in liberty? Now, it's interesting the longer the Free State Project has been going on and we're actually accelerating and accelerating and accelerating. We're getting more of a feeling of liberty living in New Hampshire because we're just, you know, we're pushing back on the laws and all that type of stuff. So at some point, and I hope it's going to be soon, it's going to be porkfest 365 here in New Hampshire. So, you know, you won't have to go to a festival to go into this simulation immersion program to find out what would it be like? How would I feel? Would I feel different? Would I feel different? I mean, let me, let me, the first time I heard about porkfest was one of my, ah, yes, he's one of my ex-socialist friends or one of my socialist friends. Life, liberty and the pursuit of haptiness always and forever.


Who cares? You might have it. I don't have it because I'm an animal. I'm a wild animal. I don't care Alright guys, welcome back to the channel if you knew manims will be guys today We're gonna check out Seb Alex with his video why vegans suffer more with mental health Oh, you don't say let's have a look. Hi everyone. Hope you're doing well Seb here for those of you Don't know me. I make animal rights and veganism related content Sorry voice check every single week and today I want to talk about this Concept this question that's been going around of whether or not vegans are happier or meat eaters and non vegans are happier You look very happy now I've been seeing this subject come up quite often during the past four or five years and there's quite a few things that I want to address It's interesting that he mentions the past four or five years because in the past four to five years We had a major dropout of vegans turning into ex vegans Those ex vegans then reported on the mental illness that veganism is first one being the study that recently came out Let's say the most recent one that I'm aware of that covers this topic And that study is called meat and mental health a meta-analysis of meat consumption depression and anxiety now This studies conclusion was that actually vegans are not happier and not only that they made a very strict conclusion in which vegans need studies for Everything why don't you just look into the mirror? Just ask yourself.  Show me the studies Am I happy or results show that meat? Obsention vegetarianism or veganism is clearly associated with poorer mental health specifically higher levels of fear for depression and anxiety Now if you take this at face value, you would be worried, right? Like why is the study saying this? Why did they conclude this again? Why would you be worried about what the study says? Look at prominent vegan youtubers. Most of them are on anti depressants But they still don't figure out that it is veganism are actually saying the opposite So we have to ask ourselves what is specific about this study that we can look into and one of the most important things that you Should look into is the conflict of interest when it comes to the study the people behind it Who are they paid by and when it comes to the disclosure statement? Honestly before veganism during veganism after veganism man There was maybe a handful of people that I met that were somewhat happy on a vegan diet Most vegans myself included admitted to have terrible mental health And that is obvious because you are malnourishing yourself on it have previously received funding from the beef checkoff Through the National Cattlemen's Beef Association You cannot be more industry funded than this and if you look into the funding in additional information It says that this study was funded in part via an unrestricted research grant from the beef checkoff through the National Cattlemen's Beef Association Fantastic this study has been funded congratulations Sherlock Holmes you figure it out, but how about the vegan science? You can see that even hardcore vegans don't accept the narrative of a cold-tool Asselstyn or a dr. Greger from nutrition facts dot org So in the end I'm repeating myself you can sit in front of your computer and analyze study after study after study It doesn't matter the question is are you happy if not what to do about it The study had normal in-study design data collection that analysis data interpretation or writing the report now We have to keep in mind that just because they weren't involved in Preparing the the method and everything doesn't mean that them giving the money didn't play a part Because we have to remember that when you're funding Scientists most of the time you expect them to do something specific and if you sit down and decide Okay, I want to make a study that concludes this you can find the scientists who would do that for you A very very clear example of this was when the egg industry funded the future Yeah, really really clear example of this is the current situation Studies and what they did was they wanted to show that eating and consuming eggs Doesn't really affect your cholesterol levels and one thing we know in biology and science is that if you already have Let's say more than average cholesterol level if you eat more eggs Man, what do you know about biology and science? You're not even eating your species specific diet. Do you even species specific diet, bro? Yeah, if you really believe in science in biology evolution and all that stuff Why don't you simply look into the human physiology and see what we are meant to eat? Anything that has a lot of cholesterol it will not go higher. There won't be any spike So if you're not eating anything with cholesterol and then let's say every three or four weeks to eat eggs There's gonna be a spike. So what they did is they brought people who already have a high level and then they found them more eggs And they're like, oh look, there's no spike. Therefore consuming eggs does not have an impact on the cholesterol levels in your body And of course they want to do that because high of having a high cholesterol is not something healthy And this is just an example. It's not something healthy because Who funded cholesterol studies ever looked into the pharmaceutical complex that is pushing statins? No, why model of how industry funded research most of the time can give you the results that the industry was looking for in the first place Now, let's put this subject aside and let's actually talk about the subject Are vegans happier or is it normal to not be happy if you're vegan? Well, I would say that in general you would feel better physically because of what you're putting in your body You know and at the end you are what you eat and if you're exactly you are vegetable things that are not good for your body If you're eating things that are not good for your digestive system And your overall health in general you are going to be feeling better But we do know that a lot of animal rights activists vegan activists do suffer from anxiety and depression Man, stop it. It's not only animal rights activists. It's your everyday vegan. They're cranky. They're hangry We definitely clash a lot more than other people And I think that's because we have seen an experience and witness so much that we let it out on each other And sometimes we keep it to ourselves and we don't really seek therapy. We don't take breaks We don't look after ourselves and that you should definitely seek therapy, bro It can result in your mental health declining and this is something that I believe is very normal Of course, we're not gonna be happier. It's very normal to get mental health problems over animals Yeah, then the people who are living in ignorance who don't know what's going on in these farms Who haven't been in slaughterhouse kill floor who haven't but I do know what is going on I've been in slaughterhouses. I've been on farms. I eat meat every day and I feel great being in farms with Thousands of chickens locked up in cages suffering day after day week week after week month after month only to end up on trucks And then be taken to a slaughterhouse Of course, you're gonna be happier if you don't think about these things And of course, you're gonna be happier if you don't hear all the sorry for the language But bullshit, but why don't you think about all the atrocities that are happening in nature every single day? You don't because it doesn't fit your emotional narrative uses people give to not go vegan You know, of course, you're gonna be happier if when you show someone slaughterhouse footage You don't hear them saying oh, but plants have feelings when you know very well.  How do you explain x vegans? Myself, I was a vegan for four years straight an ethical vegan, believe it or not But I know firsthand x vegans of 10 years and longer ethical vegans yet Again, they went through the whole conditioning. They saw all the movies dominion earthlings and whatnot But had to quit in the end because the health failed after quitting veganism They reclaimed their health and they reclaimed their sanity.   Why are you vegan? Vegans on average kill more animals than a carnivore, but yet again you're going to scream Crap that's no being ignorant of what is really happening when you're eating plants But I want to talk about you know, if you're not vegan you might not understand why it's so difficult You know, but if you go vegan you would actually understand that if you respect life once you make that connection I respect life and first and foremost I have to respect my life and my family's life and hence I have to feed them and realize that yes, even though other animals are different to us They're not really different in ways that have any moral weight, you know, just because they look different I can't hear this anymore. We are just animals and we are not so different If we are just animals, we can eat other animals.  I don't have it because I'm an animal I'm a wild animal. I don't care. I can do whatever I want if we are all animals Nature's law applies every single time man completely delusional if vegans would actually make the argument That there are humans that want to take care of animals and they have moral agency and ethics because they are Humans that would be a much stronger point or have a different way of living or different skin or fur or whatever It doesn't really justify doing what we're doing to them. And once you have that change in your Yeah, but this is exactly what is happening in nature Why is the lion eating the gazelle because the gazelle is different from the lion Why is the crocodile eating the fish because the fish is different from the crocodile Do you get that no life and you start seeing them and valuing their life It's gonna be difficult being in a society that is not vegan not only not vegan But also very charged against vegans and veganism and we it's not only Society even if you go out and you check tribal people or you go into the wilderness you will see Always the same pattern life eats life You know as a fact that the only group that is more discriminated against and has more hate than vegans Are people who depend on drugs. That's how much vegans are hated. So, yeah I think it's very fair to even even if the study was not funded by the industry to realize that to me It's hilarious to see how much this concerns him because internally he already knows that the study is true No matter who funded it.  Yeah vegans or vegan activists are not as happy And that's not an insult by the way Every vegan is mentally ill.  You know personal it's a messiah complex. Essentially. They're sacrificing themselves It's very important to take breaks. It's very important to take care of your mental health Keep in mind if you're an activist that when it comes to activism It's not a sprint. We're not gonna be able to make the world go vegan and become anti-species in a matter of weeks Or even years. This is something that might very probably take decades.  I hope you enjoyed this video. All right, man All right guys, and this is it for today's video If you liked it, leave it a thumbs up if you haven't subscribed already guys Please do so and if you want to support this channel all the links are in the description box below As always may god bless you all much love and peace


Good day, fellow investors! Do you remember those stories about those gold rushes and all those people chasing gold 100 years ago? Well, some of them made money, but most of them didn't make money. Who made money always? Were those selling the picks and the shovels to those in a gold rush, to those looking for gold? And that are often the best investments. And today we're going to discuss a modern day stock that offers the pick and shovel, not to the modern gold rushing people, but to the modern environment, to the modern trends, to the modern tailwinds that are creating gold rushes for many. And that company is Corning NYSA GLW. And we're going to give a business overview, we'll discuss the fundamentals, what does the company do, a few details about the company and also the investment perspective of it. So I'm giving you here a very interesting idea that I have also put on my covered list, also in my large portfolio, to follow and to see where this goes over the next 5-10 years, perhaps creating some great investing opportunities. I'm sure you're going to enjoy this report, we're going to discuss the products, the stock etc. If you enjoyed this video, please click like as there will be many more stock analysis videos, we do stock analysis videos, portfolio strategy and also investing education that you can check also in my free course in the link in the description below. Let's start talking about the company. They do Corning Gorilla Glass, very high quality glass for many, many phone producers there and the more sophisticated does our phone get, the more there is the need for better and better glass. And we see here prices, glasses here from going from 50 cents per glass a few years ago to already $12. Similarly for laptop glasses, everybody's wanting more, better, better quality, higher quality. And this is what benefits companies that are making the picks and shovels for the current gold rushes. Plus as they make glass, specialty glass, they also now launched velour glass to serve the vaccine industry because there might be need of higher demand for glass. So unfortunately they are also serving that, which might be something that works well for them, but they also have a special division for healthcare products, let's call it like that, which is growing okay. Also 5G, they have invented low cost optical fiber, they are investing 8% of their revenues into research, which puts them at the forefront of the industries and well positioned to take advantage of the industry's cycles and opportunities. It is a risky industry, it is a cyclical industry, which also leads to an interesting risk reward perspective, but later about that in the investment idea. They also plan to double sales by 2023 as more and more cars use more and more glass, more high quality glass, my car, it's a Mercedes 10 year old, but it has plastic dashboard. So as cars develop more into this, they plan to sell more and more of that glass. And that is also a good indication of the trends exposed, the company is exposed to of course fiber optic cables from deep ocean cables to those cables that go into the data centers that provide all the usage and the capacity that we are now especially using in this situation. Now let's discuss the fundamentals, let's start with the revenue. As it is exposed to interesting trends, it almost doubled over 10 years. From 6.6 billion, there have been some acquisitions, we'll discuss that later, to 11.5 billion. Gross margins declined, but that also depends in what kind of business you are, where you are expanding, there are some high margin business, low margin businesses, but 45% gross margin is still an interesting margin, even if it lowered operating margins from 21% to 11%. Net income has been volatile, it's a very cyclical, very fast moving industry, so you need to invest a lot with which affects net income unfortunately, but something more important than net income perhaps is what they did over the last 10 years. They almost halved the number of shares outstanding from 1.6 billion to let's say this is diluted to 900 million or even 150 million less, but more about that in the final details. So operating cash flows, this is very important, have been between 4 billion even close to 5 billion and 2 billion per year and they have invested a lot of those cash flows into future growth that they expect will lead to more cash flows in the future, allowing them to do even more buybacks and lowering the number of shares outstanding. That should have a positive effect for investors, but more about that when we discuss the stock. So something discussing the fundamentals now, they expect the capital expenditures to go down from 2.3 billion where they are now to 1.5 billion in the future and the maintaining in cash packs is 1 billion per year. This means that in a good year, as we have seen here the operating cash flows, in a good year they can make between 1.5 and 3 billion in free cash flows to distribute to investors given that the market capitalization is around 18 billion now when I use the diluted number of shares, that's a good 10-15% return on the current stock price. So the fundamentals look interesting and it's also in line with what they expect to deliver over the next 4 years, so cash flows from operations 16 to 18 billion. This is the current market cap, so they expect to make money in the next 4 years on an equal amount as the current market capitalization. They already have 5 billion in cash, which gives them financial strength. That of the money they make and of the liquidity they have, they have to invest 10 to 12 billion into research and development as said 8% of revenues goes into that, so that's a good number. Capital expenditures 6 to 8 billion and they also plan to maybe do some acquisitions if there is the opportunity. They plan to increase the dividend 10% annually, perhaps the plant will get delayed a little bit with the current situation, but this is what they are planning to do and what they have delivered in the previous 4 year capital allocation plan and do between 5 and 7 billion of share repurchases and return to shareholders between 8 and 10 billion. If they return 8 billion, 10 billion, that's 50% return over 4 years, that's 10% let's say return per year that you can expect in the form of cash flows through buybacks or dividends from this company. So very interesting fundamentals, plus they expect to grow sales by 6 to 8%, grow earnings per share by 12 to 15% and also invest into the future. So very positive, positive management as always, listen to some conference calls, so if they deliver on this with high return on invested capital then this will end up as a good investment. Let's discuss the stock, the final details a little bit the risks and also the investment idea behind this. So the stock as you can see it's cyclical, it depends for the demand for the products, when the market is negative then the stock always goes down, when the market is positive and exuberant then the stock is up. Now the market is again negative and the stock is down again. What I'm showing here is the company has been pretty active with buybacks over the last years, especially when the stock was cheaper, which is always a good thing for shareholders. Also they bought two billion also in 2018 when they pushed themselves the stock up, but okay that is something normal with buybacks and you can't really predict where the stock will go. Unfortunately now that the stock is cheap they have cut their buybacks temporarily. So again another idea when the buybacks restart, when the dividends restart the stock might jump just based on that speculation and buybacks. It's a cyclical company, what does that mean? This is also shown here when people were extremely exuberant about the dot-com bubble, the optical cables and everything the stock exploded then it bottomed again then when economy is good demand for products is good it goes up again then as the technology goes faster everybody expects looks at the losses they make because they can't sell what they created, invented, produced, created capacity to produce. So it's extremely volatile but with cyclicals we have to look at the business, prepare and understand when the uptrend might happen and if you can follow the uptrend, if you can nail that then you can make also good investment especially good investment into cyclical company and when the demand for 5G, 4 glass, 4 autonomous driving explodes in the coming years then this might be again a very very hot stock like it was the case often in the past but we have to be careful about the risks and all that can go badly and then time the entrance in a cyclical very very well. The market cap here says it's 16.15 billion but there will be some delusion so I would say here that the market cap is 18 billion. The delusion came when they acquired part of SCP from Samsung and they made the deal they issued 150 million shares convertible at 20 dollars so that will push the number of shares outstanding higher and does also push the market capitalization higher by a few billion. Now this is also something very interesting this is a company that issued 60 year bonds so they have recently issued a 60 year bond and a 30 year bond you see here the due date in 2057 and 2079 so they have really spread out the maturity of their loans betting that there will be inflation in the future that will make these repayments a real bargain however they have to pay a higher price for that you can see 30 year issued note it's just a 3.9 interest payment on the 60 year it's 5.54 the longer the maturity the more want investors want to be paid now but it's very interesting for this bet on higher future interest rates the management has done now on the investment idea they have spent 20 billion on buybacks cumulative on a market capitalization of 19 billion so they made the money and they paid it back through buybacks if they make again 20 billion and they spend them on buybacks on 19 billion market capitalization that means that the stock will likely double even if the market capitalization might stay the same so from a shareholder perspective if you want to find a business that will double in price then this might be an interesting investment idea because if they have again the number of shares outstanding the market capitalization might stay the same but the stock might double so they have strong buybacks they have high investment in research they have quality businesses servicing many many we have seen buyers there that we probably use however it's a cyclical all those sectors are cyclical and the key is to nail the upturn high capex business requirements highly volatile fastly changing environment so you might spend a lot of money like they did in korea and then suddenly it becomes cheaper to produce television screens in china and they have now to ramp it up invest again and the factories in korea will not be used as plant and that's the risk and that's why you see all those volatility in the stock price however when there is a good environment the cash flows are high so you can't expect stable cash flows but volatile but if they come to the 20 billion or 2 billion in free cash flow per year that's a good investing environment and therefore also that can happen given the interesting tailwind exposure on cash flows 10 percent return is expected in a normal environment we have to see what kind of environment we will see ahead so if they hit their expectations higher dividends repurchases i expect a double in the stock price in the next years especially as this situation passes and that would be the investment idea however i just bought a little bit to put it into my portfolio where i really watch carefully what's going on and then i'll see compared to other businesses that i have and then i'll see when this is a great business for now i'm learning and learning about the risks the rewards learning more i will be listening to the conference call learning more about the competition and that's how you know something you start to know a business better and over the years you start understanding and you know when to push that pull the trigger and buy more if it is the best opportunity out there i found it a very interesting business happy to share it here if you want to read my research on this you can check it on my website and my stock market research platform and also check there everything that i do that might perhaps give you some value from research from the book from my free stock market investing course where i'm now preparing a video on how to pick the right broker if you found this interesting please subscribe click that like button i'm looking forward to your comments any ideas that you have any comments on this company that you have please share them in the comments thank you and i'll see you in the next video


Hi everyone, Joe for jaspeyscasebreaks.com doing a synergy break right here where we're giving away eight Random number block spots in the Cup Hockey. So the top four will win the one that's two hundred dollars and the next four Will the one will win the one that's about 170, 171 right there Let's do the break first big things too. Well, no, we don't have everyone's names yet because we were giving away spots So we're giving away seven spots right here. So the 24 people who bought spots Let's put you in This list right here. So the top seven and we'll do a different dice roll for the giveaway top seven after ten one two three four five Six and 10th and final time top seven is gonna be Right there Joel with two Rick Thomas Brian Heyman Monty William and Brian Congrats, thanks for getting in early. We'll put little rooftops next to him right here. All right now Let's get your names in here So now remember Everyone has a shot including the winners everyone has a shot at that Justin Herbert helmet again Because that this is part of that promo tonight Let's roll it look now. This is for names and teams a little layers a couple layers here That we have to get through three and a four seven times or names and teams one two three four five Six and seven and final time Rick Thomas down to Brian and then three and a four seven times for all 31 teams one two three five six and Seventh and final time after seven. We got the Kings Down to the New Jersey Devils All right, so no trade windows here, but here's the first half of the list is right here And there's the next half of the list right there There you go. Let's get all that on once no trade windows in these filler breaks Always look out for those filler breaks that can help you get a spot into a bigger break for a fraction of the price on Jasper's case breaks.com All right, so hot off the presses is the final list See what we got here Now if you're watching live remember we have to just do one more of these boxes Plus sell one single number block spot out straight up and then We'll be in breaks on that cup hockey break. I did not rex. That's good. He should do it There's Sydney Crosby Think the autographs are fewer and far between but I think all all of these cards will ship most of these are numbered anyway So those are all your cards there. Let's flip back to this list Oh this list right here. So the first four spots are gonna get Spots here. This is the number block with the Canadians, right? This is the $200 one You get one one ninety nine ninety nine R&B spot. All right, and the next one Is gonna be that one right there. This is the one where we have to sell out a spot straight up So that's the 170 99 one so you get one 170 99 R&B spot one two three four for a total of eight winners Let's grab everyone's names again from Eric all the way down to William and everyone in between Let's get some new dice. There's some new dice right there new list Let's get that there And let's roll it randomize it three and a five eight times So it'll be the top eight after eight. Good luck one two three four five six seven and eight in final time So from nine on down Almost Rick almost everybody. Thank you for trying. I appreciate it But happy times so sad times for this group right here happy times though for the top eight That's gonna be Brian Brian Joel Mike Russell Brian Brian and Eric. Good job, Brian took the risk with the spots and Lucked out even won some spots too. That's a good break for you So the top four right here Right, we'll get the $200. Oh the $200 number block spots All right, and the bottom four right here will get into Will be in the the 170 99 number block spot. There you go. I'm Joe for Jasper's case breaks calm Thanks for watching. Thanks for breaking with us. I'll see you next time for the next one. Bye. Bye


Hey everybody, what's going on? I am Greg Sussman joined today by Jim Sonnis of FanDuel. We're gonna help us start looking at week number four from a DFS perspective. What's happening, Jim? Well, good, Greg. I think this week four is slated. It's shaping up pretty well. We got some value plays with guys like Wayne Gaulman. I'm always jacked about that. So it's starting to look pretty good. We'll talk more about the values for tomorrow but some stacks on tap for today. And I always love me some stacks. So I am dandy. How are you? Three stacks of high society, my friend. I'm feeling great. I'm not understanding everybody's Wayne Gaulman love because he's not good. That's okay. We'll talk about that tomorrow. Let's start today show off exactly where we started. Last Wednesday show off. Stacking Patrick Mahomes and Sammy Watkins. The prices have changed but your love for both of them hasn't. Yeah, the price for Sammy Watkins has actually changed in a good way because he is down to $6,900 this week. And I think that that's honestly just like super attractive given the volume he has got. But overall this is just a really fun game for Kansas City because according to Jordan Reed of the Draft Network this is the first game for Patrick Mahomes in his entire career in a dome. And I always love targeting dome games. So giving me someone as good as him in a dome seems kind of unfair. So I'll happily take Mahomes for $9,200 into this spot but Sammy Watkins I think is the prime jewel here. He has 29% of the cheese total targets this year paired with 23% of their deep targets. Travis Kelsey is getting more deep work but Watkins has gotten good volume down field. Darius Slay is banged up for this Detroit Lions defense which could make things even better for Sammy Watkins. I will not say no to Miko Hardman and DeMarcus Robinson but when you're getting someone whose target share is as steady as Watkins and who has the talent of Watkins I'm gonna happily take it. So Watkins is $6,900 I think is just a bargain and what that does is it kind of helps offset the cost of Mahomes up at 92. That is a lot to pay for a quarterback but with Watkins being at least in my eyes super underpriced I think it helps mitigate that. So this is a good game to stack overall. I like some guys on the Detroit side too but I wanna start things off with the Chiefs, with Mahomes, paired with Sammy Watkins. There's really not a wrong answer within this cheese team but I think things for me at least do revolve around Watkins. It's crazy you didn't have a single game last year in a dome through the first three weeks no game in a dome this week in Detroit it's gonna be a whole lot of fun for Patrick Mahomes and whether you're putting out DeMarcus Robinson or Miko Hardman or Sammy Watkins it's gonna be fun. Chiefs, they're always fun. Let's continue on non Chiefs edition and let's get to Seattle where Russell Wilson and Tyler Lockett have found a combination that works and it's not a surprise because a lot of fantasy analysts coming into the year expected it and it's nice when things go right. Yeah, things have gone right in a big way the past two weeks because Tyler Lockett has at least 12 targets in both of those games and now he's going up against the Cardinals and we always want to target teams facing the Cardinals because they want to run up in pace and what that does is it inflates play volume for the opposing team. That is awesome for this Seahawks team and in general I have concerns about the Seahawks passing game because they don't wanna pass if they can avoid it but with the volume Lockett is getting and with how good this matchup is it doesn't matter all that much. Even when you include week one where Lockett had just two targets he still has 28% of the Seahawks total targets this year paired with 32% of the deep targets. He had three targets in the red zone just last week alone and he's still $6,600. So Lockett can turn a deep ball into a touchdown but he's also getting looks close to the end zone. So for $6,600 he is just way too cheap Russell Wilson kind of similar at $7,800 because if we get a situation where Arizona does get a lead they will let Russell Wilson throw and as we saw last week that can lead to a lot of fantasy points in a hurry. This dude is just way too good when they do let him throw and the good thing about quarterback and fantasy is that you don't need a lot of volume for the guy to pay off. You need efficiency and Russell Wilson should be efficient against this Arizona defense even though the scheme is on the road. So I really hope that Arizona can score some points here and make Russell Wilson throw a bit more but even if that doesn't happen I still think that the Seahawks are a pretty good stack here. Lockett cheap enough to compensate for that at 66 and Russell Wilson efficient enough to compensate. So both of those guys really fun in what should be a pretty high scoring game out in Arizona. Yeah, absolutely. It's gonna be really high scoring and this combination of Russell Wilson and Tyler Lockett it's really working and whether there's a lot of quantity there or not it doesn't matter as long as he gets the job done. I also think you have to throw back to love will Disney this week at the tight end spot. Yeah, I was initially kind of skeptical here because Disney's snap rate had been low but then last night they trade Nick Vannette and Vannette was the guy who was taking snaps away from Disney. So what that does is opens up additional snaps for Disney. Russell Wilson clearly trusts his dude near the end zone as he threw a touchdown last week with no time on the clock. Had those close targets against the Steelers as well. So Disney is $5,400. I think that if you want to spend down a tight end he's probably your best option but if I can use Tyler Lockett for 66 I'm not gonna pass it up. So I'll have both here Greg. I'm gonna use both Lockett and Disney. I think it's just a really good spot to go and either guy here, but I do prefer Lockett just by a hair.  You can't go wrong with whoever you're taking as long as Russell Wilson's in there for Seattle. Up next we go with the Chargers who are 16 point road favorites in Miami. It's getting a little interesting. Did this be the last week we could capitalize on Austin Eckler? And I hope not. I've had a lot of fun with Austin Eckler so far this year because he gets so many targets. He's just a really fun guy to use in fantasy because I love targets out of my running back. So I think that I would like for Melvin Gordon to hang out on this couch a little bit longer, not get injured because I like Melvin Gordon too but Eckler's been a lot of fun. This is a great spot for him. He is on the road in Miami as you mentioned 16 point favorites that spread maybe a little bit meatier than it should be given that the Chargers are going across the country. They are playing a one PM game. They tend to not blow teams out either for one reason or another which I think maybe makes the spread a little bit enticing or a little bit too large here but I think that it's still a good spot to go with Austin Eckler and the Chargers defense because Josh Rosen will start once again for the Dolphins and Rosen is someone who's been in bad situations his entire life but in those bad situations he has been prone to mistakes which is good for the Chargers defense. They are $5,300, that is quite a lot to pay for them but they can be worth it as the Patriots showed two weeks ago against Miami. As for Eckler, he has at least six targets in every game so far this year. He has 17% of their targets overall for the season and those are really good numbers for a guy who was $8,100. Now it's worth mentioning Justin Jackson did eat into Eckler's Snapchat last week after Eckler lost a late fumble in their game back in week two. That is worth keeping an eye on but I think this matchup is so good and Eckler is so good that it doesn't matter all that much. It is something that I am monitoring going for because Eckler could lose snaps even if Melvin Gordon does not report given that Jackson looked pretty good last week and did get some extra snaps but I think in this matchup and given how good Eckler is in the passing game I am still okay rolling him out here. $8,100 is expensive but in this spot I think it is still worth it in pairing with the Chargers defense worth it too. You heard the numbers from Jim Austin Eckler has been dynamite all season long and even though the spread is 16 points that defense is going to do their job against Josh Rosen and the Miami Dolphins here this weekend. While this may be the last week we can use Austin Eckler as an RB1 I still think you'll have value when Melvin Gordon does return. It's not going away that quickly, we hope. From one LA team to another with the Los Angeles Rams at home taking on the Tampa Bay Buccaneers Jared Goff is an obvious play and his favorite target in the red zone it's Cooper Cup, pair him up and you have a stack that I wanna play. Yeah I really wanted to go with Brandon Cooks here because Brandon Cooks is like stupid good he's at home and I always loved guys of his mold at home and I wanted to go Cooks but then I looked at the salaries and saw the cup was actually cheaper he's $7,000 and given what we saw last week that probably should not be the case so I'm gonna give me some Cooper Cup here so far this year in his return from his ACL injury he has 30% of the Rams overall targets along with 25% of their targets in the red zone and he's converted a lot of those into touchdowns as well. We saw Stirling Shepherd last week from the slot get three deep targets from Daniel Jones he did produce on those targets as well so we should see a good match up here for Cooper Cup against the Buccaneers. I always love this Rams team at home and Jared Goff should be able to produce too he is $7,700 and whatever he's had a big ceiling game for the most part it has been at home against bad defenses. The Buccaneers bad defense as I showed again last week Devin White their rookie linebacker still in doubt and if he doesn't play that's gonna open up more room in the middle of the field for Cooper Cup. So I do love Brandon Cooks I wanna make sure I get some cooks in there too because his upside from a yardage perspective is just insane but Cup is $7,000 the safety there is unreal and because of the touchdown equity he carries the upside very good for him too. So I will not talk yet of Brandon Cooks or Robert Woods but I think that Cup is my preferred target here at $7,000 and Jared Goff at $77,000 makes her a really fun stack as well. Jared Goff the Touristly Better at home than on the road the Touristly Better against bad defense and good defenses who isn't which makes him a perfect start this week and whether you want Brandon Cooks, Robert Woods, Cooper Cup they all make sense but for us at this price Cooper Cup is the obvious solution so you should do that. On next we go to Indianapolis Colts who very well maybe without TY Hilton this week and as we saw in the second half last week when they don't have TY in the lineup you're going to rely on that running game and that means more Marlon Mack. I really like the Colts this week and I like the Colts defense I've been picking them up as a streamer this week. Jim, how do you like pairing off the Colts defense with Marlon Mack? Yeah I think one way to view this team Greg is kind of like a discount version of the Echler Chargers stack because what you're getting is a team that is a decently heavy favorite and is in a good spot and they also like you said do want to run the football I've seen them with Marlon Mack consistently so far this year even last week when he practiced just a limited session on Friday missed practice on Wednesday and Thursday even while being banged up he still played 62% of the snaps he had 16 carries in that game along with three targets that's in addition to the three targets he had the week before that so Mack is still not hugely involved in the passing game here but he's getting enough where I can still feel pretty good about him especially when they are seven point favorites at home against a bad Oakland team. Last week Dalvin Cook kind of went nuts against the Oakland team and I wouldn't be shocked if Marlon Mack were to do the same in this week because how good that offensive line is and has been for a full year now again six targets to pass two games for Marlon Mack a lot of snaps for him and we should see a favorable script so for $7,300 I think that Marlon Mack is a really good buy this week and the Colts defense is $4,200 so Mack $800 cheaper than Offs Neckler the Colts defense is $1,100 cheaper than the Chargers and they're at home against a an offense that has had its struggles so far this year so I am very okay with going with Marlon Mack and this Colts defense I think that if you can't get up to Eckler and the Chargers Mack and the Colts a good way to get there if Mack does well the Colts defense should do well also so I think this is a good stack and a bit cheaper one than Eckler and the Chargers. Absolutely it's a bit cheaper and well that's the name of the game right? You get cheaper they didn't get these chiefs in there like Patrick Mahomes and Sammy Watkins potentially so stacking the Colts with that massive offensive line as you mentioned one of the best in the NFL over the last year well it makes our job nice and easy. One final stack to get to here Jim and that is with the Houston Texans where Deshaun Watson survived the Chargers last week and much of it of course was thanks to Deandre Hopkins you can't go wrong with these two how come they're on the bottom of our list? I don't know that's actually a good question I just happened to put them into order that I thought of them and maybe I should have thought of them earlier because this is a really good spot for Houston the reason they've been kind of out of sight out of mind so far this year is they weren't on the main slate in week one and each of their first three games have come against teams that are pretty slow as far as situation neutral pace goes but the Panthers ranked second in situation neutral pace according to football outsiders this is a pace up game for Houston and you gotta love Deshaun Watson and Deandre Hopkins in that scenario Hopkins hasn't really gone off since week one but even despite that he still has 32% of the team's overall targets this year he has 26% of the deep targets and that's while facing three really tough cornerbacks each of the first three weeks things light up a little bit here against Carolina so Hopkins at 87 makes a ton of sense Deshaun Watson at least four rush attempts each of the first three games that's not a huge number but he also doesn't need a lot to go off so I think that that's pretty good for him $8,200 that improved offensive line of Laramie Tunsel yes Deshaun Watson is still taking sacks but they are giving him better protection so I think in this spot at home in a dome against Carolina it's a pretty good spot to go at Houston I don't mind running it back with your guy DJ Moore or with Curtis Samuel as well given how good Kyle Allen looked last week so pretty good game to stack here might be my favorite game to stack on the board I haven't really decided how I'm gonna rank my game stacks yet but I think this one is up there and the most logical stack within that is Deshaun Watson with Deandre Hopkins yes this is expensive but with some of the value plays available it makes a lot of sense and we can get there then that will try to do so as often as I can this Sunday yeah that's the game we're gonna target as well Carolina and Houston both teams should put up some points kinda like the over there Deshaun Watson, Deandre Hopkins always a good combination get it in my man DJ Moore Curtis Samuel as well that should be fun too a lot of points as I said expected to be had in this Texans Panthers contest that's gonna do it for us here on the FanDuel Hurry Up Jim let's do it again tomorrow and go over some of the more undervalued players on this week's slate yeah I got my work cut out for me it sounds like talking into Wayne Gaulman so we'll discuss that and why he's awesome starting tomorrow and I look forward to that discussion we'll talk to you then Greg you let me know when Jason Kochrak wins the tournament here Jim it'll happen just wait your time all of my favorite players are great like Marcus Mariota, Cody Kessler we've never been wrong on talent before right so let's give it a shout with Wayne Gaulman too Cody Kessler could be a future Super Bowl winner now that he's signed with the Patriots that's gonna do it for us have a great night Jim and I will be back tomorrow good luck setting those lineups and we'll see you later this week