8. A Sermon by Jonathan Edwards, Sermon Date, the Sabbath after the Seating of the New Meeting House, December 25, 1737, John 14, 2. In my Father's house are many mansions. In these words may be observed two things. One, the thing described, vis Christ's Father's house. Christ spoke to his disciples in the foregoing chapter, as one that was about to leave them. He told them, verse 31, Now is the Son a man glorified, and God is glorified in him, and then goes to giving off them counsel to live in unity and love one another, as one that was going from them, by which they seemed somewhat surprised and hardly knew what to make of it. And one of them, vis Peter, asked him where he was going, verse 36, Simon Peter said unto him, Lord, with a goers thou. Christ did not directly answer and tell him where he was going, but he signifies where in the words afterwards, in the verse 12. He tells him plainly that he was going to his Father. 2. We may observe the description given off it, vis that in it there are many mansions. The disciples seem very sorrowful at the news of Christ going away, but Christ comforts them with that. That in his Father's house, where he was going, there was not only room for him, but room for them too. There were many mansions. There was not only a mansion there for him, but there were mansions enough for them all. There was room enough in heaven for them. When the disciples perceived that Christ was going away, they manifested a great desire to go with him, and particularly Peter. Peter in the latter part of the foregoing chapter asked him whether he went to that end that he might follow him. Christ told him that whether he went he could not follow him now, but that he should follow him afterwards. But Peter, not content with Christ, seemed to have a great mind to follow him now. Lord says he, why cannot I follow thee now? So that the disciples had a great mind still to be with Christ, and Christ in the words of the text intimates that they shall be with him. Christ signifies to him that he was going home to his Father's house, and he encourages them that they shall be with him there in due time, in that there were many mansions there. There was the mansion provided not only for him, but for them all, for Judas was not then present, and not only for them, but for all that should ever believe in him to the end of the world. And though he went before, he only went to prepare a place for them that should follow. The text is a plain sentence, to therefore needless to press any doctrine in other words from it, so that I shall build my discourse on the words of the text. There are two propositions contained in the words. Viz. One, that heaven is God's house, and two, that in this house of God there are many mansions. Proposition one. Heaven is God's house, and house of public worship is a house where God's people meet from time to time to attend on God's ordinances. And that is set apart for that, and is called God's house. The temple of Solomon was called God's house. God was represented as dwelling there. There he had his throne in the holy of holies, even the mercy seat over the ark and between the cherubims. Sometimes the whole universe is represented in Scripture as God's house, built with various stories one above another. Amos 9.6. It is he that buildeth his stories in the heaven. And Psalm 104.3. Who layeth the beams of his chambers in the waters? But the highest heaven is especially represented in Scripture as the house of God. As to other parts of the creation, God hath appointed them to inferior uses. But this part he has reserved for himself for his own abode. We are told that the heavens are the lords, but the earth he hath given to the sons of men. God, though he is everywhere present, is represented both in Old Testament and new as being in heaven is a special and peculiar manner. Heaven is the temple of God. Thus we read of God's temple in heaven. Revelation 15.5. Solomon's temple was a type of heaven. The apostle Paul, in his epistle to the Hebrews, does from time to time call heaven the holy of holies, as being the anti-type not only of the temple of Solomon, but of the most holy place in that temple, which was the place of God's immediate residence. Hebrews 9.12. He entered in ones into the holy place. Verse 24. For Christ is not entered into the holy places made with hands, which are the figures of the true, but into heaven itself. Houses where assemblies of Christians worship God are in some respect figures of this house of God above. When God is worshiped in them in spirit and truth, they become the outworks of heaven, and as it were its gates. As in houses of public worship here, there are assemblies of Christians meeting to worship God. So in heaven there is a glorious assembly or church continually worshiping God. Hebrews 12.22.23. But year come unto Mount Zion and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels, to the general assembly and church of the firstborn, that are written in heaven. Heaven is represented in Scripture as God's dwelling house. Psalm 113.5. Who is like unto the Lord our God, who dwelleth on high? And Psalm 123.1. Unto thee I lift up mine eyes, O thou that dwellest in the heavens. Heaven is God's palace, tis the house of the great king of the universe. There he has his throne, which is therefore represented as his house or temple. Psalm 114. The Lord is in his holy temple. The Lord's throne is in heaven. Heaven is the house where God dwells with his family. God is represented in Scripture as having a family, and though some of this family are now on earth, yet in so being they are abroad and not at home, but all going home. Ephesians 3.15. Of whom the whole family in heaven and earth is named. Heaven is the place that God has built for himself and his children. God has many children, and the place to sign for them is heaven. Therefore the saints, being the children of God, are said to be the household of God. Ephesians 2.19. Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellow citizens with the saints, and of the household of God. God is represented as a householder or head of a family, and heaven is his house. Heaven is the house not only where God hath his throne, but also where he doth as it were keep his table, where his children sit down with him at his table, and where they are feasted in a royal manner, becoming the children of so greater king. Luke 22.30. That ye may eat and drink at my table in my kingdom. Matthew 26.29. But I say unto you, I will not drink henceforth of this fruit of the wine, until the day when I drink it new with you in my father's kingdom. God is the king of kings, and heaven is the place where he keeps his court. There are his angels and archangels, that as the nobles of his court do attend upon him. Proposition 2. There are many mansions in the house of God. By many mansions is meant many seats or places of a boat. As it is the king's palace, there are many mansions. King's houses are want to be built very large, with many stately rooms and apartments, so there are many mansions in God's house. When this is spoken of heaven, it is chiefly to be understood in a figurative sense, and the following things seems to be taught us in it. 1. There is room in this house of God for great numbers. There is room in heaven for a vast multitude. Yet room enough for all mankind that are or ever shall be. Luke 14.22. Lord, it is done as thou hast commanded, and yet there is room. It is not with the heavenly temple as it often is with houses of public worship in this world, that they fill up and become too small and scanty for those that would meet in them, so that there is not convenient room for all. There is room enough in our heavenly Father's house. This is partly what Christ intended in the words of the text, as is evident from the occasion of his speaking them. The disciples manifested a great desire to be where Christ was, and Christ therefore to encourage them that it should be as they desired. Tell them that in his Father's house where he was going were many mansions, i.e. room enough for them. There is mercy enough in God to admit an innumerable multitude into heaven. There is mercy enough for all. And there is merit enough in Christ to purchase heavenly happiness for millions of millions, for all men that ever were are or shall be. And there is a sufficiency in the fountain of heaven's happiness to supply and fill and satisfy all. And there is in all respects enough for the happiness of all. 2. There are sufficient and suitable accommodations for all the different sorts of persons that are in the world, for great and small, for high and low, rich and poor, wise and unwise, bond and free, persons of all nations and all conditions and circumstances, for those that have been great sinners as well as for moral livers, for weak saints and those that are babes in Christ as well as for those that are stronger and more grown in grace. There is in heaven a sufficiency for the happiness of every sort. There is a convenient accommodation for every creature that will hearken to the calls of the gospel. None that will come to Christ, let his condition be what it will, need to fear but that Christ will provide a place suitable for him in heaven. This seems to be another thing implied in Christ's words. The disciples were persons of very different condition from Christ. He was their master and they were his disciples. He was their Lord and they were the servants. He was their guide and they were the followers. He was their captain and they the soldiers. He was the shepherd and they the sheep. He was, as it were, the father and they the children. He was the glorious Holy Son of God. They were poor, sinful, corrupt men. But yet, though they were in such different circumstances from him, yet Christ encourages them that there shall not only be room in heaven for him but for them too. For there were many mansions there. There was not only a mansion to accommodate the Lord, but the disciples also. Not only the head but the members. Not only the Son of God but those that are naturally poor, sinful, corrupt men. As in a king's palace there is not only a mansion or room of state built for the king himself and for his eldest son and heir. But there are many rooms. Mansions for all his numerous households, children, attendants, servants. Three. It is further implied that heaven is the house that was actually built and prepared for a great multitude. When God made heaven in the beginning of the world, he intended it for an everlasting dwelling place for a vast and innumerable multitude. When heaven was made it was intended and prepared for all those particular persons that God had from eternity designed to save. Matthew 25.34.  And that is a very great and innumerable multitude. Revelation 7.9. After this I beheld, and lo, a great multitude, no man could number of all nations and kindreds and peoples and tongues, stood before the throne and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes. Heaven being built designedly for these was built accordingly. It was built so as most conveniently to accommodate all this multitude, as the house that is built for a great family is built large and with many rooms in it, as the palace that is built for a great king that keeps a great court with many attendants is built exceeding great with a great many apartments, and as a house of public worship that is built for a great congregation is built very large with many seats in it. Four. When it is said, in my father's house are many mansions, it is meant that there are seats of various dignity and different degrees and circumstances of honour and happiness. There are many mansions in God's house because heaven is intended for various degrees of honour and blessedness. Some are designed to sit in higher places there than others. Some are designed to be advanced to higher degrees of honour and glory than others are. And therefore there are various mansions and some more honourable mansions and seats in heaven than others. Though they are all seats of exceeding honour and blessedness, yet some are more so than others. Thus the palace is built. Though every part of the palace is magnificent as becomes the palace of a king, yet there are many apartments of various honour and some are more stately and costly than others, according to the degree of dignity. There is one apartment that is the king's presence chamber. There are other apartments for the next heir to the crown. There are others for other children and others for their attendants and the great officers of the household. And one for the steward and another for the chamberlain. And others for meaner officers and servants. Another image of this was in Solomon's temple. There were many mansions of different degrees of honour and dignity. There was the Holy of Holies where the ark was that was the place of God's immediate residence. Where the high priest alone might come. And there was another apartment called the Holy Place where the other priests might come. And next to that was the inner court of the temple where the Levites were admitted. And there they had many chambers or mansions built for lodging rooms for the priest. And next to that was the court of Israel where the people of Israel might come. And next to that was the court of the Gentiles where the Gentiles, those that were called the proselytes of the gate might come. And we have an image of this in houses built for the worship of Christian assemblies. In such houses of God there are many seats of different honour and dignity from the most honourable to the most inferior of the congregation. Not that we are to understand the words of Christ so much in a literal sense as that every saint in heaven was to have a certain seat or room or place of abode where he was to be locally fixed. It is not the design of the scriptures to inform us much about the external circumstances of heaven or the state of heaven locally considered. But we are to understand what Christ says chiefly in a spiritual sense. Person shall be set in different degrees of honour and glory in heaven as is abundantly manifested in scripture which may fitly be represented to our imaginations by there being different seats of honour as it was in the temple as it is in king's courts. Some seats shall be nearer the throne than others. Some shall sit next to Christ in glory. Matthew 20 23 To sit on my right hand and on my left is not mine to give but it shall be given to them for whom it is prepared of my father. Christ has doubtless respect to these different degrees of glory in the text. When he was going to heaven and the disciples were sorrowful at the thoughts of parting with their Lord he lets them know that there are seats or mansions of various degrees of honour in his father's house. That there was not only one for him who was the head of the church and the elder brother but also for them that were his disciples and younger brethren. Christ also may probably have respect not only to different degrees of glory in heaven but different circumstances though the employment and happiness of all the heavenly assembly shall in the general be the same. Yet it is not improbable that there may be circumstantial difference. We know what their employment is in general but not in particular. We know not how one may be employed to sub-serve and promote the happiness of another and all to help one another. Some may there be set in one place for one office or employment and others in another as tiths in the church on earth. God has set everyone in the body as it hath pleased him. One is the eye, another the ear, another the head etc. But because God has not been pleased expressly to reveal how it shall be in this respect therefore I shall not insist upon it but pass to make some improvement of what has been offered. 1. Here is encouragement for sinners that are concerned and exercised for the salvation of their souls such as are afraid that they shall never go to heaven or be admitted to any place of abode there and are sensible that they are hitherto in a dullful state and condition in that they are out of Christ and so have no right to any inheritance in heaven but are in danger of going to hell and having their place of eternal abode fixed there. You may be encouraged by what has been said earnestly to seek heaven for there are many mansions there. There is room enough there. Let your case be what it will. There is suitable provision there for you and if you come to Christ you need not fear that he will prepare a place for you. He'll say to it that you shall be well accommodated in heaven. 2. I would improve this doctrine in a twofold exhortation. 1. Let all be hence exhorted earnestly to seek that they may be admitted to a mansion in heaven. You have heard that this is God's house. It is his temple. If David, when he was in the wilderness of Judah and in the land of Gashur and of the Philistines, so long that he might again return into the land of Israel that he might have a place in the house of God here on earth and price to place there so much, though it was but that of a doorkeeper. How great a happiness will it be to have a place in this heavenly temple of God. If they are looked upon as enjoying a high privilege that have the seat appointed them in King's courts or in apartments in King's palaces, especially those that have an abode there in the quality of the King's children, then how great a privilege will it be to have an apartment or mansion assigned to us in God's heavenly palace and to have a place there as his children. How great is their glory and honour that are admitted to be of the household of God. And seeing there are many mansions there, mansions enough for us all, our folly will be the greater if we neglect to seek a place in heaven, having our minds foolishly taken up about the worthless fading things of the world. Here consider three things.  Now you have a dwelling amongst the living. You have a house or mansion of your own, or at least one that is at present for your use. And now you have a seat in the house of God. But how little a while will this continue in a very little while and the place that now knows you in this world will know you no more. The habitation you have here will be empty of you. You will be carried dead out of it, or shall die at a distance from it, and never enter into it any more, or into any other abode in this world. Your mansion or place of abode in this world, however convenient or commodious it may be, is but as a tent that shall soon be taken down. But a lodge in a garden of cucumbers. You stay as it were but for a night. Your body itself is but a house of clay, which will quickly moulder and tumble down, and you shall have no other habitation here in this world but the grave. Thus God in his providence is putting you in mind but the repeated instances of death that have been in the town within the two weeks past, both in one house, in which the death he has shown his dominion over old and young. The son was taken away first before the father, being in his full strength and flower of his days. And the father who was then well and having no appearance of approaching death, followed in a few days. And their habitation and their seat in the house of God in this world will know them no more. Take warning by these warnings of providence to improve your time that you may have a mansion in heaven. We have a house of worship newly created amongst us which now you have a seat in, and probably a place with the ornaments of it.  Here are a couple snatched away by death that had met in it but a few times. They have been snatched out of it before it was fully finished and never will have any more a seat in it. You know not how soon you may follow, and then of great importance will it be to you to have a seat in God's house above. Both of the persons lately deceased were much on the deathbeds warning others to improve their precious time. The first of them was much in expressing his sense of the vast importance of an interest in Christ, as I was a witness, and was earnest in calling on others to improve their time, to be thorough, to get an interest in Christ, and seen very desirous that young people might receive counsel and warning from him, as the words of a dying man, to do their utmost to make sure of conversion, and a little before he died left a request to me that I would warn the young people in his room.  The words of a dying person should be of special weight with us, for then they are in circumstances wherein they are most capable to look on things as they are, and judge a right of them, between both worlds as it were, still that we must all be in. Let our young people therefore take warning from hence, and don't be such fools as to neglect seeking a place and mansion in heaven.  You are now, it may be, much pleased with the hopes of your future circumstances in this world. And you are now, it may be, much pleased with the ornaments of that house of worship that you with others have a place in. But alas, do you not too little consider how soon you may be taken away from all these things, and no more forever have any part in any mansion or house or enjoyment or happiness under the sun? Therefore let it be your main care to secure an everlasting habitation for hereafter.  There is no middle place between them, and when you go hence you must go to one or the other of these. Some have mansions prepared for them in heaven from the foundation of the world. Others are sent away as cursed into everlasting burnings prepared for the devil and his angels. Consider how miserable those must be that shall have their habitation with devils to all eternity. Devils are foul spirits, God's great enemies. Their habitation is the blackness of darkness, a place of the utmost filthiness, abomination, darkness, disgrace and torment. Oh, how would you rather ten thousand times have no place of abode at all, have no being, than to have a place with devils.  As there are many mansions, places of different degrees of honor in heaven, so there are various abodes and places of degrees of torment and misery in hell. And those will have the worst place there that dying unconverted have had the best place in God's house here.  Ecclesiastes 8.10 Such as have had a seat in God's house, have been in a sense exalted up to heaven, set on the gate of heaven.  2. The second exhortation that I would offer from what has been said is to seek a high place in heaven. Seeing there are many mansions of different degrees of honor and dignity in heaven, let us seek to obtain a mansion of distinguished glory. This revealed to us that there are different degrees of glory to that end that we might seek after the higher degrees. God offered high degrees of glory to that end, that we might seek them by eminent holiness and good works. 2 Corinthians 9.6 He that so sparingly shall reap also sparingly, and he that so with bountifully shall reap also bountifully. It is not becoming persons to be over anxious about an high seat in God's house in this world, for that is the honor that is of men. But we can't too earnestly seek after an high seat in God's house above, by seeking eminent holiness, for that is the honor that is of God. It is very little worth the while for us to pursue after honor in this world, where the greatest honor is but a bubble, and will soon vanish away, and death will level all. Some have more stately houses than others, and some are in higher office than others, and some are richer than others, and have higher seats in the meeting-house than others. But all graves are upon a level. One rotting, putrifying corpse is as ignoble as another. The worms are as bold with one carcass as another. But the mansions in God's house above are everlasting mansions. Those that have seats allotted them there, whether of greater or lesser dignity, whether nearer or further from the throne, will hold them to all eternity. This is promised. Revelation 3.12 Him that over cometh, I will make him a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out. If it be worth the while to desire and seek high seats in the meeting-house, where you are one day in a week, and where you shall never come but few days and all, if it be worth the while much to price one seat above another in the house of worship, only because it is the pew or seat that is ranked first in number, and to be seen here for a few days. How will it be worth the while to seek and high mansion in God's temple, and in that glorious place that is the everlasting habitation of God and all his children? You that are pleased with your seats in this house, because you are seated high or in a place that is looked upon honorably, by those that sit round about, and because many can behold you, consider how short a time you will enjoy this pleasure. And if there be any that are not suited in their seats because they are too low for them, let them consider that it is but a very little while before it will be all one to you whether you have sat high or low here, but it will be of infinite and everlasting concern to you where your seat is in another world. Let your great concern be while in this world, so to improve your opportunities in God's house in this world, whether you sit high or low, as that you may have a distinguished and glorious mansion in God's house in heaven, where you may be fixed in your place in that glorious assembly in an everlasting rest. Let the main thing that we price in God's house be, not the outward ornaments of it or a high seat in it, but the word of God and his ordinances in it, and spend your time here in seeking Christ, that he may prepare a place for you in his Father's house, that when he comes again to this world, he may take you to himself, that where he is there you may be also. From Selected Sermons of Jonathan Edwards edited with introduction and notes by H. Horman Gardner, New York, The McMillan Company, 1904. End of Section 39 End of Selected Sermons of Jonathan Edwards


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Hi and how are you all today? My name is Priyanka and the question says, complete the hexagonal and star-shaped rangolis, C figure 7.53 first and second that will be downstairs, by filling them with as many equilateral triangle off side 1 centimeter as you can. Count the number of triangles in each and answer which has more triangles. Now this is an interesting question of drawing triangles. Now these are the two rangolis that is given to us. Now let us first fill up this rangoli. The all the sides of this hexagonal shaped rangoli is of 5 centimeters and we need to draw equilateral triangle of side 1 centimeter each. So what we need to do is we need to take the base each and every base that is 5 centimeter each and we need to draw equilateral triangles like this. Now if you carefully analyze and notice this is a 5 centimeter shape so you will be having 5 triangles in this base like this. Like this for each and every base you will need triangles like this in this rangoli and similarly in this rangoli also you will be making equilateral triangles. This is the first triangle that you have made then you have two triangles inside each and every. So one two three four triangles here and likewise you will be making it for each and every column four here four here and all and then inside also and following this pattern you will find out how many number of triangles can be made in this rangoli and in this rangoli and then you will be telling me the answers right. So enjoy drawing all the triangles that are equilateral triangles of 1 centimeter in these rangolis and enjoy this activity. I hope you enjoyed and understood what you need to do. Bye for now.


This 2012 Chevy Camaro 2SS is stock number 12060Z. We are here at Summit Automotive in Fond du Lac, Wisconsin. You're new and used sports car headquarters. This 2012 Chevy Camaro has the 6.2 liter V8 engine. It has been fully safety and inspected by our service shop. Has a fresh oil and filter change. All the fluids have been checked and topped off. This car is 100% ready to go. Summit White is the color. We shoot all of our videos in 1080p, 60 frames per second. So if you have HD capabilities on your computer, tablet, smartphone, or television, turn them on right now. Because it is definitely your best way to check out the quality and condition of the car before seeing it in person. And if you like the video and want to subscribe to our YouTube channel to see videos that we do each and every day in the lower right hand part of the screen is a subscribe button. You can click that and then click the notification button as well. You'll get updated every single day that we do videos here at Summit Auto. This one comes with the 20 inch painted alloy rims. You get the Brembo brakes on here as well. In the front, we have brand new Pirelli P0245 ZR20 tires. They have all the tread left. We put those front tires on in our safety inspection. Still see the little wear knobs on them. Front fender's in really nice shape. Has the HID headlamps, the LED running lights, and the factory fog lights. Front bumper is in excellent condition. I didn't see any dents, dings, or cracks on there. The hood is in really nice shape as well. Comes with the black stripes. They're in pretty nice condition as well. I didn't see any rips or tears on them. Passengers side front fender looks really good. And the passenger side rim, no scuffs or scrapes. As you go down this side of the car, take note of how clean the body is, how reflective and mirror-like that paint is. We take these HD videos, so if you are far away, or even if you're close by and just cannot make the trip down, but you're still interested in purchasing the car, you can see the car, hear the car, and have confidence in the vehicle that you're looking at before you even get here. So that when you do get here, there's absolutely no surprises. And you can make a smart and informed buying decision from the comfort of your own home. Very nice down that side. This back rim is in nice shape as well. Back tires have just a little bit under half the tread left on them, but still a little bit of tread there. Coming around the back of the vehicle, rear bumper is in nice shape. This has MBRP exhaust, sounds really good. We'll start it up in just a second. So stay tuned for that. Has the back of parking sensors, trunk lid, and stripes back here are in nice shape. Coming around to the driver's side, rear quarter looks really good. Didn't see any denser dings on there. And for full disclosure, this back rim is in nice shape as well. You do get the Brembo brakes in the back too. And the driver's side door looks really, really good. You do get heated power mirrors. And before we check out this Inferno Orange interior, we'll take a quick look in the trunk. Trunk area is very nice and clean. And if you ever wanted to know where your RPO codes were, right back here is your RPO sticker. Tells you all the options on the vehicle. Feel free to pause that to make sure it's got everything that you're looking for. But very nice and clean back here.  And now we'll take a look inside and then we'll start it up. Check out that exhaust and then go under the hood. Inside the 2SS package gives you the black and Inferno Orange leather interior. There are no rips or tears on the seats. Power driver seats, both these front seats are heated. Factory floor mats, auto headlamps, power windows, power locks, power mirrors, Bose sound. And this Inferno Orange interior trim actually has a little bit of metal flake to it. You can see that right there. It's pretty cool. We'll take a quick look at the back seats. No rips or tears back there. It does have the latch child safety system. Those seats do fold down for extra storage and no rips or tears back there. We will hop inside, check out the instrument cluster, the radio, and everything that the interior has to offer. This car has 21,663 miles. You do get the digital speedometer, compass display. Instrument cluster is very nice and clean. You get the leather wrapped steering wheel, Bluetooth and audio controls on the right. Cruise controls on the left. You get the paddle shifters there. And you get the SS logo on the bottom of the steering wheel as well. This one comes with AM, FM, and Sirius XM radio capabilities. You do get a CD player there as well. Heated seat buttons. Down here is your oil pressure, oil temp, trans temp, and bolt gauges. Six speed automatic transmission. Notice you get the Inferno Orange stitching on that as well. Passing your side, floor mat, and seat are in excellent condition. This car has never been smoked in and it was a one owner. Clean title history. Headliner is in nice shape. You do get map lights up there. Home link buttons for your garage doors, security systems, and lighting systems, and on-star capabilities in that rear-view mirror. We'll start it up, check out the exhaust, and then take a look under the hood. No check engine lights. Everything looks good. Started right up. Like I said, that MBRP exhaust sounds really good. I would personally like to thank you for checking out the video today, and hopefully from this HD video. You've been able to tell just how clean this car is all the way around inside and out. There are those HID headlamps, LED running lights. Under the hood we have the 6.2 liter V8 engine. 400 horsepower. Engine bay is very clean, runs very smooth. 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Item No. SCP-2430 Object Class Euclid Special Containment Procedures SCP-2430 is to be held in a standard humanoid containment cell at Site-17. Tissue samples extracted from SCP-2430 are to be disposed of after analysis via incineration of said samples. Description SCP-2430 is a humanoid entity with a physical appearance identical to the late Adolf Hitler 1889-1945, measuring at 173 cm in height and 72 kg in mass. Its internal body systems are consistent with those of non-nomeless humans, although its organs are functionless. SCP-2430's physical state deviates from non-nomeless humans into following aspects. DNA analysis indicates that SCP-2430's genetic makeup is derived from a combination of subscropha, wild boar, and canpher egregorous hercus, domestic goat. Furthermore, SCP-2430's skeletal system is identified to be an amalgamation of bones from eight different individuals. The identities of these individuals are unknown. The brain matter is composed of a mixture from a specimen of escropha and see egregorous hercus. No requirement for food, water, or air, despite the presence of a digestive and respiratory system. Modifications to a nervous system, such as pain sensitivities heightened. Lack of hair follicles.  Inability to produce speech. Traces of potassium cyanide and lead fragments identified in SCP-2430's bloodstream and subcuteness respectively. SCP-2430's anomalous quality is its capacity to regenerate muscle and skin tissues, allowing it to recover from injuries and regrow organs, such as heart and lungs that have been removed from its body. Wounds and incisions on SCP-2430's body will regenerate within three days of the causation, while organ regeneration requires up to two weeks. SCP-2430 may document 2430A for a complete list of organ regeneration rates. However, SCP-2430's regenerative capacity does not encompass damage to its skeletal system and healing rate of bone fractures is similar to that of non-anomalous humans. Tissue samples extracted from SCP-2430 do not possess its regenerative capacity. SCP-2430 was recovered in Buenos Aires, Argentina on ██-1960 in the residence of the late ██-███, who was associated with Obscura, initially discovered by Mossad agents who had captured ██-███ SCP-2430 was extradited to the Foundation upon discovery of its anomalous properties, and Mossad agents' inability to terminate SCP-2430. Addendum 2431, the following note was found in the residence of ██-███, translated from German. It managed to rescue the furor and bring him to safety, but he is effectively dead on the inside. I blame the Reds for their inhumane treatment of the furor, who may have been bewitched by the Reds' Wunderwaffe. I wish we could mercy kill him, but we've tried everything. He just won't perish. Don't abandon him. He's too distinct in plain sight. Addendum 2432, the following note was recovered from GRU Division P headquarters after the organization's collapse in 1991, which were the organization's only surviving documentation on SCP-2430, all of which have been translated from Russian. December 1st, 1943, among the items of interest recovered from the Obscura Corps' sub-camp in Janowska, they include about a hundred pieces of the flesh of Sey Rymnir, with human skeletons embedded in each of them. They are humanoid shaped and can regrow any piece cut from them, so long as there is the skeleton. Essentially, there are effectively machines coated in meat. In 2013-1945, regarding application of the flesh of Sey Rymnir, Comrade Stalin has personally reviewed and rejected the proposed project, Ainyar. Instead, Comrade Stalin has proposed and approved an alternative, Project Udeka. December 28th, 1947, Comrade Stalin has personally reviewed the prototypes. Their inability to perceive pain will not do. It is not in line with the goals of Project Udeka. February 24th, 1948, escort the Uralic flesh-crafters to Moscow headquarters. They are commissioned to assist in Project Udeka, abiding by Comrade Stalin's specifications. On the behalf of the Union and the Soviet people, the right to claim true victory and justice over Hitler shall be realized. April 17th, 1950, in exchange for their cooperation in Project Udeka, 4,000 kilograms of the flesh of Sey Rymnir will be presented to a representative of the Uralic flesh-crafters. In other news, Comrade Stalin wishes to initiate a private trial against Hitler. May 9th, 1951, it is Victory Day. Comrade Stalin will be gracing Hitler's cage after attending the parade. This year he requests to witness the right of news again. Interrogators, please see to it. May 6th, 1953, Comrade Stalin is dead. We have no need to keep Hitler here. No point in wasting bullets on him, he does not die. Just bury him discreetly. He's a waste of the flesh of Sey Rymnir.


Aloha and thanks for joining us at Think Tech Hawaii. We are doing the Hawaii Food and Farmer Series. I am your co-host, solo co-host today, Justine Espiritu. Matthew Johnson is slaving away working on our Baaba Empire right now. Sorry he can't join us. So every other week we bring on farmers and other folks that are involved in our local food community, whether they have a product or a restaurant, if they offer support services to farmers, of course the farmers themselves. We love to get the backstory of how people fell into the work that they're doing and kind of what they see happening in local food in our community here on Hawaii. So every week is exciting. Today we have a special guest, Nat Bleder, who is the co-founder and chocolate flavor meister with Madre Chocolate. And Nat, you have been here at Think Tech Studio a number of times. So thank you so much for coming to hang out with me. Of course, it's been a while, so get me back. Yeah, awesome. So yeah, I'm really excited to hear, of course your background, if we could hear a little bit about the studies you did and what led you to cacao and chocolate and that development and kind of the role you've played in creating a market for this product and what you guys kind of do in the community. Sure, I sort of stumbled into chocolate indirectly. I did my PhD in ethnobotany, which is related to chocolate, but I was studying medicinal plants in the proven Amazon and Guatemala and Mali. And cacao is definitely a very medicinal plant, but I wasn't looking at it as a medicine exactly. But a classmate who was a Mayan archaeologist asked me to write a book chapter about traditional uses of cacao in South America, and I tried to put her off for a year or two. And finally, my advisor was like, I'll help you. It'll be really fun, because we always talked about food.  And so then decided to do it, and it was a three-year distraction from my PhD topic, because I got so into it. And then when the book came out in 2006, a bunch of my friends were like, I don't want to read your thick academic tone about cacao. Just make us some chocolate or something. You know, you like to cook, and you wanted to go to culinary schools. Like, yeah, it might be a way to bring together my interests in food and ethnobotany, so I just started experimenting actually in San Francisco and with a friend's coffee grinder was just some cacao nibs that I got at the health food store, and it turned out great. And I was like, make more, please. You just built up that demand among friends? Yeah, yeah. And it was very coarse at first, which is how chocolate is traditionally made for drinking chocolate, so it's not ground into the smooth thing that we know from European chocolate bars. But people kept asking for more and more of it, and I went back and made, like, about a thousand bars in my kitchen in New York, just with a coffee grinder and a food processor, and eventually got a stone grinder to do it more smooth European style, and then came out here into Hawaii in 2008. Sorry, 2009, I'm doing a postdoc at UH, and I was in the same building as the cava, cacao, and coffee lab, which, as you might imagine, is the most popular lab. Yeah, everyone's hanging out, like, what's everyone doing in here? Exactly, at 3 p.m. every day they have a cava circle, so you get to talk to people, and I was a big cava fan even before I moved to Hawaii. So I started to meet some of the farmers, cacao farmers that were here already, and I think there's only about, like, one or two chocolate makers at that time. I was like, I shouldn't be making chocolate in New York. That makes no sense. You should be making it where the plant grows, and we have contact with the farmers, and so I started doing it here and founded Madre in 2011, and we've been getting stronger since then. Awesome, and so you guys described us as artisanal chocolate. Can you kind of explain what's the difference between your product and, you know, like the $2 Hershey bar in the store? Not to discount them, they do some amazing stuff and, like, keeping chocolate incredibly consistent over very variable farming styles and ferment, but what we're doing is, you know, micro or even nano lots compared to what a company like that does, and the big thing that we do is work super closely with the farmers because we feel that is essential to get really good flavor, and a lot of people don't know this, but chocolate is a fermented food. So when you have the, this is a fresh cacao pod that I was showing earlier, when you open it up, there's this white pulp inside, and that tastes delicious. Nothing like chocolate. It's kind of like a mangosteen or guanabana or something like that or lychee, and have you had it before? Yeah, I have. It's pretty tasty, but it's related to okra, so. Yeah, yeah. It shows that kind of funky texture, but all the sugars from that gets, fuels the ferment, and it goes into a big wooden box and gets stirred every day for about five to 10 days, and that removes all the bitterness and develops all the nice acidic flavor. And I brought some beans from a local windward side farm. So these are fermented, and you can see they have no fruit left, fermented and dried. This is from 21 Degrees Farm. And this is, I think, only their second harvest, and it has this incredible fruity, lively taste, if you want to give it a try. It's very not bitter because it's been fermented well, and it has some umami and nice floral flavors and all of that. And it's totally different from, say, these Guatemalan beans. So a lot of it is focusing on the terroir or the flavor differences that come from where the cacao was grown and fermented. So how many different varieties do you work with? Varieties of cacao, probably four or five. Not that one. Yeah? Those are also roasted, so that'll add some other differences to it. In Hawaii, we mainly have kuyoyo, which are usually smaller, more difficult to grow pods, but they're really valued because they have a really mellow flavor. Sorry, that's it's prevalent here in Hawaii? It's not prevalent, but a lot of farmers, especially when they're first starting out, really want to grow that because it's higher price per pound of finished cacao. But it is harder to grow and more disease prone. So if you, after a while, people realize, like, oh, yeah, it's not financially worth growing kuyoyo as much with the high cost of labor in Hawaii because you'll get the same revenue per acre or per effort. So an easier one is Trinitario, which is probably like these giant guys. And they're a hybrid of the wild type in the kuyoyo. So they're pretty tasty, and they combine a lot of the sweet flavor of the kuyoyo with the vigor of the wild forest stereotype. So that's the main one that grows here. But then we work and get cacao from other places, like Solomon Islands and Vanuatu and Guatemala and Dominican Republic and Brazil. And altogether, there's about 12 different varieties that have been named of cacao. And people don't always know what we have. So we've probably worked with all of them. Just wasn't clearly. So what varieties you work with, is that always changing? Or do you have like a, it's not consistent in that sense. You're always kind of experimenting. Yeah, OK. Yeah. And this photo now is from the Rupund Farm in Waiahole. It's another great local farmer. They're one of the few organic cacao farmers. And they probably mainly have the Trinitario type there, too. And I tell farmers, they're like, oh, what variety should I plant? I'm like, it doesn't really matter. We can make good chocolate out of any of them. You just have to work on the ferment. And that is the most essential part. But it's also the ugliest and most unappetizing part.  So if there's any Instagram geniuses out there, we need to help us figure out how to make that look beautiful. Because we feel like three quarters of the flavor gets added during the ferment over all the other stages, like roasting and grinding. Yeah, so we play with different inoculants in the ferment, like kombucha or sour poi, sort of send it off in different directions. So you have a pretty active relationship with the farmers? Yeah. Both on Big Island, Maui, Kauai. And it's a very strong relationship, especially on Oahu, because we do fermenting for a lot of the Oahu farmers, partly because so many farmers in Oahu are diversified. So they have to process their kalo and their cacao and their vanilla and their papaya. And if it takes six months or a year to learn how to process each of those, they might not always have time to figure out the cacao ferment, which is pretty complicated. OK, so that's something you guys just take on. Yeah. And the other issue is that so many farmers here have 10 cacao trees, and you need about 500 to get enough critical mass to get it to really heat up well. Kind of like a compost, if you have a tiny compost. OK, so then you kind of aggregate it. Yes. And then so if you're aggregating from multiple farms, where does that take place? You're bringing it all to? Into our Chinatown shop. Oh, OK. We do all the fermenting there and then control conditions. And we mass them all together, but we keep them in netted bags or pots. So we can still at the end say, OK, these are yours from Kahlua, and these are yours from Mayahole, and these are yours from Kupakea, so that we know when we're making the chocolate, it's only one farms cacao, but we can still get the benefit of the critical mass. OK, but you also said you work with a lot of farmers all over the world, which kind of keeps it interesting. So what's that ratio of working with the local farmers versus the other farmers you're working with, and how involved are you with those farmers in other places of the world? Yeah, it's that we wish there was more cacao in Hawaii. There's always more demand than there is supply, because it's a relatively new crop that's only been growing in earnest in the last 20 years. So it's increasing. I just came this weekend from the Hawaii Chocolate and Cacao Association meeting, and they're saying there's like 120 some of that's producing in Hawaii now. And I was on one farm in the Dominican Republic a few years ago that was twice as large of all of Hawaii's. Just the one farm? Yes, a single farm. OK, then to skip to that really fast, and what would be like the ideal? What would you like to see of how much, what's the potential that you would want to see of probably the cacao, so then you could source it locally? I think we're never going to be able to compete on quantity in Hawaii, just because of the high cost of labor. So what's considered the best cacao in the world from Venezuela or Ecuador is max like $4 or $5 a pound. Hawaiian cacao is a minimum of $8 a pound, up to $10, even if it's not good quality. So it's understandable why if you have to bring in inputs and energy and sometimes fertilizer and labor, it's pretty labor intensive. You have to hand harvest all the pods and crack them open by hand. And ferment is a lot of hands-on stuff. So the price is never going to go down, and we don't have the landmass in Hawaii where you can grow it. You can only really grow it below about 1,500, 2,000 feet, so that's a ring around the edge of all the islands. OK, so that potential is kind of small. Yeah, exactly. So it's going to be quality is the only way to compete. And that's why we focus on the ferment so much, because we can say, yeah, it's worth it at $10 a pound because it's so carefully fermented and so much attention is paid to it. Awesome. OK, we're already through our first segment. We're going to take a quick break, and then I want to hear a little more about how you work with the farmers elsewhere, and then a little more about your role in the community. Wonderful. I'm Ethan Allen, host of likable science here on Think Tech Hawaii. Every Friday afternoon at 2 PM, you'll have a chance to come and listen and learn from scientists around the world, scientists who talk about their work in meaningful, easy to understand ways. And you'll come to appreciate science as a wonderful way of thinking, a way of knowing about the world. You'll learn interesting facts, interesting ideas. You'll be stimulated to think more. Please come join us every Friday afternoon at 2 PM here on Think Tech Hawaii for likable science with me, your host, Ethan Allen. Hi, I'm Cheryl Crozier Garcia. I'm the host of Working Together on Think Tech Hawaii. It's a program where we discuss the impact of change on workers, employers, and the economy. So join us every other Tuesday from 4 o'clock to 4.30. We're live in the studio on Working Together in Think Tech Hawaii. Take care. See you soon. Bye. That's all of it. Welcome back. This is the Hawaii Food and Farmer series. I'm your co-host, Justine Espiritu. Matthew ditched me today. But it's OK, because I'm hanging out with Nat Blutter, the co-founder and chocolate flavor meister of Monterey Chocolate. And now we're getting to dive into a little bit of sampling. Can I try that one that you gave me? That's one I just tasted. Tastes like Christmas in my mouth. So I want to try that again. Ancient Aztec recipe, first published in the 1500s with chipotle and allspice in it. So the Mesoamericans, the Aztec, Maya, and Olmec are the ones who invented chocolate. So they've been doing it for thousands of years. And I feel like they should know what they're doing when they're combined in the flavors. Yeah. So all these other flavors and stuff that you're infusing, which of those are made up, and which of those have a historical part of chocolate? The chipotle allspice is one of our. I love it. A lot of people are first like, chili is in chocolate. That doesn't make any sense. Like, no, it's made sense for thousands of years. Right, OK, so that's not a new thing. No. OK, what's one when I originally would see that in the store? It's like, yeah, it doesn't make sense, but. This is our Mexican drinking chocolate, which is chocolate de meso. It just means table chocolate. And it has cinnamon and allspice in it. So that is post-Columbian, but this is what you commonly find in Mexico now for making drinking chocolate, just melt it down. And that one, a gold medal for one of the best drinking chocolates in the world. In terms of other flavors, we do some really rare Mexican spices like rosita de cacao, which is a flour that smells like maple syrup. We've done one with jaguar cacao, which is considered the female form of cacao in Mayan mythology, whereas cacao is the male. That's kind of like the original white chocolate has these very non-bitter almond-like seeds. And it turns out it was like almost white chocolate, so we swirled the two together to get this yin and yang effect, and do lots of stuff. We love chilies, so we do a lot of stuff with that. But then stuff like lilikoi or coconut ginger, those are more Hawaiian-inspired flavors. OK, and that's where you kind of use your knowledge and make some of that. What's been the most successful one that you've had margarit chocolate has kind of been credited with? Coconut gingers are most popular. The one that's won the most awards is the triple cacao, because it's the only chocolate bar we know of in the world that has that cacao fruit in it. So when we're here in Hawaii and we get to enjoy that delicious pulp, everyone should enjoy this in the world. This is such a delicious fruit, not just people living where a cacao grows. So we put that fruit in a bar with the cacao nibs. So it has the crunchy, the chewy, the smooth, rich chocolate. And that's one of seven awards now. Whoa. It's pretty hard to make because it's hard to get the fruit. So then back to some of the other farms you're working with. Oh, yeah, I wanted to give you some of the Oahu chocolate. So this is grown by a great local astronomer, Megan Ann Stale. And so we call this the Megaparsec Bar. So we did the ferment and drying and roasting and grinding the whole nine yards on this one. She did the growing. Smoky. Yeah, a little bit. So that's all locally grown and made on Oahu. She has a farm in Kanyohi. And then you're asking about other farmers we worked with for the last two years. We've been going to Melanesia to Sullivan Islands and Manuatu. This year, I'm going to Papua New Guinea. And we've been doing what we call our cacao blue camp there, where we teach the farmers for five to eight days about fermenting and teaching them how to make chocolate. Aloha, how are you doing? It's me, Angus McTach, wishing you a welcome and join us to see us on Hibachi Talk on Think Tech Hawaii. To all my co-hosts, go to the tech side and enter the security guy every Friday from 1,300 to 1,345. We look forward to see you. We'll talk tech, and we'll have some wee bit of fun.  Aloha. Welcome back. Sorry I had to take a quick sample break. Can you get back to the boot camp you mentioned? Yes, the cacao boot camp. So for about five to eight days, we work with the farmers to teach them not only planting and pruning and fertilizing and grafting, but then everything that comes after that that they might not traditionally do. So the fermenting, drying, roasting, grinding, and tempering so that we feel if the farmers can make their own chocolate and taste it on a daily basis, they're going to make amazingly better cacao. Wow, that's interesting. I'm going to say, you're doing this workshop for farmers? Yeah. OK. Yeah, because what happens traditionally is farmer grows the cacao, ferments it, and dries it, and then they send the beans off to the US or Europe or Australia to be made into chocolate, and they never taste it. And they never get to see the end product. So it's kind of like asking a painter to paint this beautiful painting with their eyes blindfolded and their hands tied behind their back. It's like they never know what changes they make, what effect they have. So we really feel like the cacao farmer, even if they don't make it on a regular basis, they should be doing test batches of it at least so they can see, oh, yeah, when I gave it this other fertilizer, it was so much happier, and the chocolate tasted so much better. When I planted this variety or fermented it this way, it was so much more awesome. And that's a nice thing about doing it in Hawaii is that we can close that design loop. And within a month or two of getting the cacao from the farmer, we can give them back the finished chocolate and say, what you did on that batch, that was killer. Keep doing that. Or like, hey, why don't you try boosting the temperature a little bit or adding some poi into the ferment and see how it tastes different. So it's really closing that design loop. And we're really excited because last year we put on the first annual Solomon's Cacao Awards. And we had 83 entries from around Solomon Islands. You were part of the organizing community? Yeah, and the judge. And the judge. One of the five judges, yeah. And it was a little daunting because we came into this room where they'd be receiving it at the Department of Agriculture. And there was 83 entries and about 800 pounds of cacao that we had to figure out the top three of in only five days.  You would determine that just from eating the? Yeah, so we narrowed it down first. I just like crawled around on the floor smelling them. I'm like, this one smoked. We can't include this because we're not, you know, we said it can't be smoked dried. That's one of the things they'd done traditionally there. It's OK for commodity cacao, but it's not good if you want to make a chocolate bar out of it. And then so we got it down to like 50. And then we did like a quick roast and just tasted the nibs from those 50. And then we got it down to 10. And then we made chocolate out of all 10 of those. Oh, cool. With like all night tempering session, grinding sessions with five other chocolate makers were there. And then we got it down to the top three. And this guy Blaise Sekkivai from Guadalcanal, he was, he had been in our boot camp the year before. And he got third place in the awards. They were like, oh, this is awesome. Like in only a year, he put into place all the things he'd learned, and he was getting awards already. And now here he's going to be on like TV and Solomon Islands for all of his efforts. That's awesome. That's so cool to come into this, be creating this product, but be a part of that design process like you talk about. So this is the product of that. We just got, we brought one bag on the plane back with us from Solomon Islands. We're trying to figure out how to get more. That's so good. So that's his bar there. Maddie, your missed note. If you can call in. That's Blaise's 73% Solomon bar there. Oh my god. So OK, this is limited edition. Yes, only one sack, only about 50 pounds that we were able to bring back as luggage. So good. If anybody knows anyone sailing to Solomon Islands, let us know. We've got some cargo to stash on. Awesome, so cool. And then I want to talk a little bit about, so in addition to having these products, you also guys take the, I mean, it's interesting that you take the chocolate making process to the farmers themselves, but also for consumers and the community. Can you talk a little bit about those classes you offer and what that has been like for people to come into your shop and be a part of that? Yeah, I mean, I guess you can't get the teacher out of me since I was teaching at UH and while I was in grad school. So even from the first year I was making chocolate in New York, I was trying to teach other people how to do it. Yeah, that's cool. Because I feel like everyone should know how to make chocolate. It should be open sourced. And people will understand why does this bar cost $10? Yeah, yeah, totally. And a lot of people come to our classes like, I'm going to make my own chocolate.  I understand now. Yeah, which is funny. That's like the similar thing we see with farming. People want just cheap food. We want everything. The vegetables will be cheap. And then they come to the farm and then they understand. Like, oh, this takes a lot of work. This takes a lot of heart and energy. And they can appreciate why the value of that. Oh, the effort that goes in. And you guys do some other cool workshops, too. What's the whiskey one? Oh, that's a really fun one. Yeah, it took a while to get going. But they had a guy on our staff who was Scottish. And he's like, oh, we've got to do this. And so he helped me pick out a really good set of whiskeys, both from America and Ireland and Scotland. And I think it actually goes better to me with chocolate than wine does. Because the wine has its own tannins and astringency that can kind of compete with the chocolate, whereas whiskey complements it more. I mean, it might not be for everybody, especially like the super PD scotches. But we try to represent the whole range of flavors that you find in whiskey, from bourbons to rice to highland and lowland scotches. And the flavor range of chocolates, too. So you can kind of mix and match them. That's really fun. Well, we have 40 seconds left. I know we want to talk really fast about some new developments. You wanted to mention Jamola, what he's doing. And then, yeah, if you want to do that quickly. We're really excited. Jamola Lajiani is a former chef from 39 Hotel in Bevy, where some of you may know him from.  And he's going to be running our cafe and probably eventually restaurant program. So we're going to integrate chocolate into savory food and bring in some of the mole's that you find in Mexico. So it'll be pretty exciting. That sounds awesome. And where can we find you really fast? What's your website and more info about that? MadreChocolate.com. And we have a shop both in Chinatown on Pauahi Street and in Kailua on Kinehe Street.


We demystify what goes on behind the therapy room door. Join us on this voyage of discovery and co-creative conversations. This is The Therapy Show behind closed doors podcast with Bob Cook and Jackie Jones. Okay, welcome back to the next episode of The Therapy Show behind closed doors with myself Jackie Jones and Mr Bob Cook. And this is episode 116, Bob, by my reckoning. Oh, good. I just took my glasses off when you introduced me there. I'm not sure why I did that. But anyway, 100 and what? Do you say 16? 116. Oh, we're climbing up the, uh, climbing up the panel or whatever. We are. We are. And I think when, well, last time when I looked on how many, I think we'd had something like 35,000 listens or downloads of this podcast or whatever since we started, which is amazing. Good. We average about 240, 250 every seven days. Yeah. Oh, the first seven days, anyway, that's picked the tails off. And we've got listeners on YouTube. So we've got listens on there and we've also got them on, I think, and we used to do it on Anker, but Anker's been took over by Spotify now. Oh my God. So I can't get in any more through Anker. So, well, you can. It's just that it's Spotify that's doing it. It's all very complicated. But yeah. So, so you can either watch us or you can listen to us. But I think it's, you know, we've done good at this, Bob. We've been doing it for 116 episodes now, all through the pandemic and everything. So the topic of this session is tissues and tea. Tissues. Which I love the title, Bob. I picked this one because a friend of mine, oh, I don't know how many moons ago it was, a Gestalt psychotherapy said that they just written an article on the use of tissues with the psychotherapy group. And that tickled my fancy. And I never got to ask him what he meant by that. And also, I never read the article. But I know what I think he means right. And I haven't read the article so, but I do like the title. And what I mean by it is different views on how to be with clients in the therapeutic room. So if we talk to psychoanalysts, for example, let's say psychoanalysts. And there are people who are into interpretation. They may be Freudian, Jungian. There could be some of the later psychoanalysts they've influenced by. They don't have to be working necessarily with couches anymore. But they very much into interpretation and self-awareness is the important curative factor. Whereas if we look people, say, from the disciplines I got trained in, relationship is the curative factor. And we could look at behavioralists. We could look at CBT. We could look at many of the holistic therapies as well. And they may have different focuses. But if you ask the psychoanalyst about tissues and tea or the use of tissues and tea in the psychotherapy room, they would probably say immediately, tea, tea, we don't give it out of tea. My gosh. They come at on the hour and they leave 15 minutes after that. And if they're going to want us to take care of their needs, then they need to go to different type of therapy. Because once we start making tea for them, we could be encouraging infantilization. And actually what's really important for us is that we encourage self-agency rather than infantilization. So making a cup of tea for their clients would be, I think theoretically anyway, I'm not saying all psychoanalysts to this point, but theoretically, have a seat. It's funny, isn't it? Because I can't imagine doing therapy any other way than the way that I was taught and the way that I do it, which, you know, having a cup or a drink, I don't think you can see it. But behind my chair there, there's always a jug of water and sunglasses so that they can have water if they want it, or they can have tea or coffee. It's part of the course. And that's because you were trained holistically. Yeah. It's because, oh, well, rather than me making assumptions, yeah, rather than me making assumptions, what's the thinking behind offering clients a cup of tea? Again, I'm assuming you mean when they come through the door? Yes. Yeah. Yeah. Not in the middle of the therapeutic process. No. No. It's a welcome. I always welcome them in and ask them how they are and say, would you like a drink, tea, coffee, water, anything? Okay. So what is the thinking behind that if there is any? For me, it's to put them at ease and it's to start building up that relationship with them. Oh. So, you know, the thinking behind it for you is to twofold. One, to make them, you know, at ease. Yeah. They might have, I don't know, they might have walked to your office. They might have come across town. They may have come through the rain. They may have had a stressful day. Yeah. So making a cup of tea would be, you know, making up the ease from your frame of reference. What was the second thing you said? Building up the relationship. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. I think they go together those two things, don't they? Helping them ease, taking care, building up the relationship. They sort of all go in the same ballpark. Yes. Okay. It's interesting because for 38 years, I did the same thing. Probably from the same frame of reference. However, no, I didn't ever change it because I ended up seeing people clinically at when I was four years ago now, when I was 69. I don't think I ever changed that habit, if you like. However, I run a lot of supervision groups and I meet a lot of supervisors from other disciplines. Yeah. As well as, you know, psychoanalysts I've just talked about. And when we talk about how do you meet your clients, for example, you've got variation of responses. One of the most common is when they go up to the therapy room, there might be glasses of water on the table. But there certainly isn't tea. They certainly don't make tea for them. You get some people who follow psychoanalytical view, which I'm calling the psychoanalytical view, maybe that's unfair. But the theory is, by making tea for them, you aren't encouraging self agency. And secondly, they might be doing that to pleasing you. And I think that was probably the favorite response for all of them. I had a discussion with one group of therapists about this. And they said, oh, no, we never could cup of tea. We do actually leave some water for them. But you know, have you ever asked your clients about this? So anyway, after that, I decided to ask, I was running a psychotherapy group. And I made a cup of, oh, no, I said him, they went and made our cup of tea. And I was talking about this, and she said, oh, well, I think, you know, when you made me cup of tea, I might just adapt to you, rather than think what I actually want. Interesting. Which is an interesting answer. And it follows that psychoanalytical view of maybe unconsciously or out of my awareness, supporting adaptation, or at its worst, infantilization, rather than promoting self agency. Yeah. Same with tissues, getting onto tissues. So I think the article is completely about that, what I've just said. By providing, I think the article was more about, you know, if there's a box of tissues in the room, do you actually pass the tissue box to the client? Or do you encourage the client to move for the tissue box themselves? Thinking behind that would be around empowerment and self agency, rather adaptation to the therapist who might think that the client wants to have a tissue. This is all very deep and meaningful stuff, Bob. On the surface, you know what I mean? For some of the listeners, they might think, what does it matter whether you pass them a tissue or they go to get it themselves? But there's so many layers to this. And, you know, I was talking with one of my clients this week, and it's kind of like, you know, the conversation that goes on between two people, we say something and we put it out there and the other person picks it up. And in the middle, it can be misunderstood from what our intention is to what they actually receive at the other end. And I think that with the tissues is one of those situations. Well, it could be. We asked one way of looking it, but I think philosophically, we are talking about very important. Absolutely. Philosophical values, which is why you meant when you said it may appear XXX with clients of therapists, and you know, what are we actually talking about? But I actually think that philosophically, they're very different positions. Yes, one is what I wouldn't pass a tissue to my client or even make a cup of tea because I'm encouraging self agency, not adaptation. On the other end of the spectrum is where you and I, me particularly for 40 or 30 odd years, probably sounds like you and many of my colleagues, by the way, offered tea and coffee out of what you've just said, not self care, modeling self care, courtesy, building up the relationship. So you've got two different, almost philosophical ways of thinking. Yeah. And I think they're important. I don't think they're, I think at one level, I think it's like, how can I explain, it's going down the union level. So one level, because say, well, doesn't really matter, does it? On another level, I think that both sides of the polarity would have been very, maybe very indignant about the other side of the polarity. Yeah. And I can understand what you're saying, you know, if you're doing relational psychotherapy, then the relationship is important. Whereas if you've been, you know, analytical or whatever, but that seems really clinical to me. Well, I think if you are promoting a self agency, that means promoting people being in their adult in the hearing and not adapting to the therapist or being younger or regressing or infantilizing, then there's a huge discussion around, well, they need to decide for themselves, whether they, whether or they do or don't want tissues and psychotherapy. They want, they need to decide for themselves, whether they make a cup of tea or not. Yeah. What have a parent figure inverted commas might perceive it that way in the discussion, making decisions for them, just like their own history. Yeah. I'm trying to think of the situation, how it would play out in my therapy room, if I didn't offer, whether they would say, you know, can I have a cup of tea, please? And I'm not sure any of my clients would actually say that. I don't know. That might be me making assumptions, but I don't know whether that's the British way, you know, to mean that we need to be offering or something. I'm not sure. Now that's an interest in bringing cultural scripts and cultural thinking. It's a really interesting deviation in the discussion. Yeah. I know, I certainly wouldn't. If I was going, you know, in the many years that I've been in therapy, I don't think I would say that to my therapist. Well, what wouldn't you say to that? I wouldn't ask them for, I might ask for a glass of water, but I certainly wouldn't go down the tea or coffee route. I don't know why there's a difference in that. But to me, asking for water is a lot more acceptable than asking somebody for a cup of tea or coffee. I don't know. Well, it's important, isn't it? Because if you think of the projection onto the therapist as maybe a significant other person. Now, you can go both ways with that. As I said, in the encouragement of developing self-agency, then it's up to the mind if they make themselves a cup of tea or a drink of water at the house, because that would be like from an adult frame out of courtesy. They might ask that, but if there's just a, you know, a kitchen there, they might go make it themselves. On the other side, which is again where I come from and you come from, building the relationship and even, let's put it another way around, even under the guise of what we could call a reparative relationship. So you and I have done a podcast on reparenting on reparative relationships and working developmentally, then making a cup of tea for them or passing them a tissue when they've never had a parent that might have accounted for them can be deemed very therapeutic. Absolutely. I can remember many, many years ago, must be 30 years ago, maybe. I was working in a school in Stafford. It was one for behavioural difficulties, kids that had been excluded or, you know, they had issues and things like that. And one of them had absconded, they'd run away and we found him and brought him in.  They had tea and toast.  And it was very therapeutic just doing that for them. Taking account of them. Absolutely. So there is something, you know, nurturing and like you said, psychological and everything about food and drink as in, you know, giving somebody sustenance or whatever. I don't know, but it meant a lot to those kids. Yeah, because it represents safety. Yeah. It represents security at a very deep level in terms of survival processes. So I understand that. And that's why I said if you work in a developmental relational way, then I understand very much the discussion around making tea, passing tissues around, coming from a nurturing place, you know, encouraging a reparative experience is all in my therapeutic lens. Yeah. It's interesting though, isn't it, that from a Netherlands, you know, that may be seen as a regressive fantasisation, disempowerment. Yeah. And I can see that as you're talking about it. Yeah. That's interesting though, isn't it? Absolutely. I think it really is. And I think there are two different positions. Now, as you said, way back at the early progress, I think there's middle grounds, the shades of grey on the continuum. Doesn't have to be one end of the polarity or the other. Could be many therapeutic approaches which would take different positions up on the continuum. Yeah. You know, I was just thinking when we were talking, actually, would I change my position on this, what we're talking about now? Yeah. The decades I was a therapist, because I didn't change it. Even though I have thought about what we're discussing many times and I think that I've always been a therapist that's thought developmentally. I've always been a therapist that's thought about new reparative experiences. And certainly with the relational turn of the 1990s, when most research said that the relationship is the core for a curative experience, they are all those both as principles, if you like, fell into one place for me. So I probably would never have changed what I actually did. I would still, and in fact, I ran a therapy group. I run three therapy groups. And each group is three, Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Wednesday, Thursday and Friday. I used to do three a year at the Manchester Institute. And I won, I, you know, I ran one recently. And I passed, oh, when I passed the actual psychotherapy, sorry, the tissues over to the client, I thought, because I knew somewhere in my head, this title was going to come up. And as I did it, it flashed in my brain, and I still continued to do it. Because I believe we, by taking account of our clients, by presenting that type of approach, we made, we are, and certainly for this person who had years of neglect in a history, providing a different reparative experience. Yeah. And I know I've mentioned this in the past in one or two podcasts that we've done. I can remember, and I think it was on the, one of the therapy marathons that I attended that you did. One of the first things that you used to do when I was sitting on the couch, which you would, you would literally consciously get the box of tissues and put them in between me and you. And I used to think that was really crafty of you. And what is Bob doing is playing with messing with me idea. But part of me felt like you were giving me permission to be emotional because showing emotions is something that I always found quite difficult. So it was kind of like you were just opening the door and saying, it's absolutely fine if you do, there's the tissues. Yes. And I do think that way. I think in terms of therapeutic permissions. Well, that was how it felt for me. Yeah. I did think you were very clever doing it, by the way. In fact, I did that the same in this therapy intensive that I was thinking about. Recently, I put the two boxes of tissues, three, two in the middle room and one next to the two men. So it's interesting that we can look at it in lots of different ways. The messages that, you know, are given out by a simple act in the therapy room, whether that's offering tea or tissues or where the person sits, all sorts of things. It's all permissions and and court and seeing whatever else that goes on in the therapy room. Yeah. When I first started off, very long time ago, in 1985, with my first client, I remember my first client well. And I remember being so anxious and thinking about, oh, how shall I have the therapeutic room? Should I have some cushions? And how should the cushions be? What colour should they be? Should they be far apart? Should I have a, what colour work should I have? Should it be a nurturing environment? Should the chairs be a long way away from each other? But one thing that did shape all that I did, besides the super my supervisors thinking, was to provide a nurturing environment. Yeah. Now, this is way before the whole advent of what I'll call relationship psychotherapy for the sake of clinical theory. This was, I think because I wanted to provide a environment which showed that I cared and taken the count of the person that came through the door. Yeah. If somebody has said to me, after that first session of the supervisor, no, that's fine. But what about self agency impairment and all those other things? Because I was such an impressionable, naive therapist, would I have changed my thinking to a completely different approach? I don't know. But my supervisor came from a school that I came from, which is transaction analysis, and was very much into providing a nurturing experience or a power tip experience that clients might never have had. Yeah. Because this is where I work. This is my therapy room for anybody that's watching. And I've got red throes on my chair. There's splashes of red on my chair, which you've seen there's not a good colour to have in a therapy room. I didn't know that. But that's my personality. Do you know what I mean? He's quite dull and muted, apart from bits of red that I've got in there. And do you know the red on the therapeutic lexicon is supposed to represent anger? Anger and danger and all the bad things. You do know. Whether that's me pushing a few buttons with the client in the room, consciously or subconsciously, I don't know. But I like a bit of red in there. Well, I'm a Manchester City supporter. And perhaps I should have light blue, but I never have done. But things have just said that. But again, psycho dramatists, people from different schools of thought may say, Oh, well, we need to have a completely blank space. Yeah. Because once we start having different colours, we'd have different pictures, we have this on the wall, then two or three things happening. The client then can distract themselves by projecting XXX onto the wall. And they can move away from what they need to be doing, which is a psychoanalysis or the psychotherapist's work or interpretation, whatever it is, because they're projecting goodness knows what or could get triggered off by all these different objects and pictures and fellows. So people, psychotherapists, I think, according to where they trained, where discipline they trained in, whether it be humanistic or psychoanalytical, for example, will have different ways and methods of working in the therapy room. Yeah, it's a really interesting topic. As a title, tissues and tea in the therapy room or whatever, it doesn't sound that much. But like you said, looking at it from lots of different perspective and lots of different angles, it's a really in depth topic. Yeah, and I think it represents the training, the different ways that people have been trained, the different polarities, like a dynamic, whether it's psychoanalytical, whether it's psychosynthesis, whether it's transactional analysis, whether it's relational psychotherapy. Many of these different polarities have different ways of working and different methods. Yeah, and is there also part of it or personality plays in it as well? Well, it's an interesting one, isn't it? Because I think yes or no. If you've been trained very much around what I'm going to call a psychoanalytical frame or object relations frame or different types of therapists on that side of it, then you may be trained around not going down the road of maybe what could be seen as infantilization or lack of self-agency and param and all the things I talked about. But if you're on the humanistic side or perhaps the relational side, that will determine. Now the question, does your personality, I'll tell you what I think happens more. I think that your personality might determine which type of therapeutic discipline you follow. Yeah, yeah, I would agree with that. Yeah. So yeah, I would never follow professionally a discipline, which is about interpretation, which is about what I would see as a one-up, one-down place. Yeah, me too. I would never have gone down that way. No. I'm much more attracted to a real individual, it's a relational style of psychotherapy. Yeah, and underneath all of this, I'm a people pleaser and I like to make people cups of tea and coffee. That's on another level. But the issue, the thing about that as a psychotherapist, that if you're a people pleaser, you can run down the trap, or chaps might be a strong word anyway, or encourage unconsciously or even consciously, the client adapting to the people-pleasing part of you rather than deciding what they want for themselves. Yeah, yeah, I agree. Yeah. But I mean, it's useful to just be able to say that off the back, but I think it's important, as well as just saying that, we can also think about what that means clinically. Yeah, which that's one of the things that I think in the therapy process, we do need to think everything from a clinical perspective. And like I said, the messages that we're giving out, it's whether they're being picked up at the other side with the same meaning or whether they get lost in translation. That's very, very important, isn't it? Yeah. Because I think I come from the view. From the moment I open the door to the clients, to the moment, or whether the clients get buzzed in themselves, which is another story, the moment they leave, we're always modelling things to them. Yeah. And from that framework reference, they will always pick them up. How much they integrate in that, and how much they digest all that is perhaps another story, considering whether they have an antisocial frame of reference, whether they have a narcissistic frame of reference, whether they have a schizoid frame of reference, or append how much they take on board, or they throw out if you like. Yeah. Yeah. I don't want that tissue. I'm going to throw it back to you. Yeah. Oh, you always make me a cup of tea. They come from an antisocial frame of reference, then it's interesting how much they will digest or adapt according to the therapy process, isn't it? Yeah. Yeah. And it's about being aware of all of this stuff too. Yeah. I remember, when was it? Two years ago, a client who had been in therapy with me for over 10 years knocked on my door and said she wanted to run this book by me, and my name was in it. And she wanted to do that at a courtesy, etc., etc. And then the discussion, that was very nice, but one of the things in the discussion I was sharing this podcast was, we were talking about what she remembered as so significant about the 10 years of psychotherapy. Now, at one level, I expected her to say all these, or some of these wonderful interventions I made, or some of these magnificent pieces of therapy we did, or some of really deep, regressive work we did. Did she say any of that? No. Narcissistic, because I was most disappointed because she's, no, was the answer. She didn't. You know what she did say? She said, what I took away most of all, Bob, was your kindness to me. Aww. Yeah. But in the ballpark of what we're talking here, and relationship psychotherapy, and taking account of a client. Yeah. I think it's very important. Absolutely. She said, I felt very moved, but you know, it made me think, gosh, I didn't think she was going to say, I thought she was talking about one of this wonderful pieces of work we actually did, which I remember. Yeah. Last thing I remembered was what she actually came out with, but on reflection, what a lovely thing to say. And that's it. When we're looking at things, you know, on the different levels, without you showing that kindness and her receiving it, and making that relationship with you, would that empowering life transforming work ever have took place? Probably not. Yeah. Certainly. So it's food for thought. I think what we model down and the way we are as such a profound effects on our clients that often, I don't, I think reflect on that enough. Yeah. Another good podcast, Bob. Thank you so much. I enjoyed talking about that. Thank you. So what we're going to cover on the next one is falling in love with your clients in the therapy process. Another one of my titles. Another one of your titles. I'm really interested in this and what we mean by falling in love with. So until next time, Bob, take care. See you soon. Bye bye. Bye. You've been listening to the therapy show behind closed doors podcast. We hope you enjoyed the show. Don't forget to subscribe and leave us a review. We'll be back next week with another episode.