Welcome again. In the first hour we did look at challenges. We've just discussed a couple of challenges that are common to marriage. We're going to focus on this hour on what do we do to overcome life's challenges. What are simple instructions that we can pick from scripture, which are very practical in its doing to help us tide through these challenges. So we're going to be looking at specifically four ways that we can overcome these challenges. If you recollect in the previous lecture we did talk about the way we respond, how we react to a challenge determines the outcome of it as well. So if we take on a challenge negatively or if we break under it, there are high chances that the result or the outcome of it can be as debilitating. But if we respond positively, if we respond in faith and in hope, we do see that there is always good that comes out from any situation that we may be in. So let's focus on that, that how we position ourselves to react and respond really determines the outcome of those challenges. So the first thing we'd like to look in some practical ways of how we'd like to overcome life's challenge is first and foremost is to guard your heart. So whenever challenges, we are faced with these challenges, it affects first and foremost, it affects our heart, it affects what we feel, it affects what we think and thereby that begins to conduct our behavior. So you know, when we try and look at why do we behave a certain way, we need to go back into examining what have been our thoughts and out of those thoughts what have been our feelings that have come because that's what will propel our actions or our behavior. So scripture says keep your heart with all diligence for out of it springs the issues of life. So it's where everything starts is, you know, everything starts from your heart. That says in Proverbs 4.23. That's where the heart is where your life starts. So especially when we go through challenges, if we aren't careful, if we do not, if we are not vigilant, there can be many things that hold us captive. There can be negative thoughts, there can be negative feelings that hold us captive. Now depending on the challenge that you're facing, you could either face fear, you could face sadness, you could face anger, frustration, bitterness. It can be any of this and really depends on what you have gone through. So the more that we harbor these feelings of fear, bitterness, or hate, or anger, or a sense of, you know, dejection, it has the capacity to get the better of us because our hearts, it's from where it springs up these issues. So when we're saying guarding our hearts, we need first of all to be careful about what are we allowing or permitting to experience and feel as a result of some challenges that go through. So yes, it is natural that we may have these emotions because we are human. We may experience these emotions. However, for those of us who are believers, we are not without hope.  Those who have no hope, wallow in pity or in sadness or an anger, react out of these negative symptoms. So we are asked and called to guard this because it is human that when something goes wrong, the heart begins to function, the heart begins to respond. But being aware and realizing that these negative thoughts is not going to take us anywhere. It's only going to lead us to death. It's only going to lead us to further destruction. Okay. So guarding our hearts from the feelings that we may, we may harbor, we may suppress, we may contain with us is the first thing that we are called to do. So that is through realizing number one, that this is where we are at. These are the emotions where we are at. Often I've, you know, especially when there has been certain untoward incidents that have happened, you know, it could be either, either let's say, infidelity or it could be maybe there's some harm that's caused, you know, in the life of a family member. And they may feel entitled to hold on to that anger or bitterness. I said, you know, I have a right to be angry. I have the right to be bitter about this. But what they are not seeing is harboring this causes significant distress, not just spiritually, of course, but even in, in every other area of their lives, you know, can be physically, can be emotionally, they become bitter, they become like these bitter roots that will finally give up only a bit of fruit. So guarding your heart from these negative feelings or recognizing that they are there. Guarding your heart from your feeling towards God. Often people, and I think a lot of us have been in this space where we have got angry with God, we said, God, why me? Or why did you put me in this situation? Why did this event have to come about the way that it is? Okay. And thereby, there becomes a question about God's goodness, a question about, about whether we are his loved possession, we are his children. So we, we throw our arms in the air and question God, not if you did love me, you wouldn't have allowed this to happen. Okay. So to know that we need to be careful to, of how we respond to God. Yes, God wants us to be open. God wants us to share our thoughts and our fears to him, but not stay there. Because as we look into, you know, maybe the second and the third practical way, we're going to also going to be talking about faith, that if you implicitly, one implicitly trust God, that he is a God of goodness, and whatever he does is not for the wrong or for the bad of his children. Our ability to trust is a lot greater. Our ability to, to, to rely and depend on God is much, much greater. Okay, I think Charles has asked a question, please more shed light on recognizing negative situations. Okay. So, so often, I think I just want to quickly draw a very, you know, a simple principle. Whenever a situation happens in our lives, it needn't be something that's challenging. It can be anything, you know, every situation has the potential for us, for us to bring about some thoughts about the situation. Like, like, for example, let's say the situation is, okay, we're sitting in this class, it's a situation, it's a, it's a very neutral situation. But, you know, when we're thinking, when, when I've said, okay, guys, come on, let's think about what this class is. Okay. Now, depending on the thoughts that you have, okay, so let's, let's figure out what are the thoughts.  So that's one thought. Okay. Or another thought is, you know, I'm quite excited to hear the, the responses of people. Or another thought is, you know, I really want to delve a little bit more into this subject. So you see that every situation has the potential to bring about certain thoughts. And depending on the thoughts you engage in, there, there is a, there is a emotional response to. So for the first class of thoughts, I says, oh, it's really boring, you know, I can't keep my eyes open. The feeling is actually a sense of boredom, or a sense of, you know, lack of interest or disinterest.  It's a state of expectation that they are in. Okay. So depending on what the thought processes is, what it is, it naturally leads you to a feeling or an emotion. And this emotion is what leads you to your behavior. So in the first instance, for someone who is, you know, has the thoughts that this is a boring class, okay, feels probably frustrated and, you know, disinterested, will probably sleep, the behavior is you will sleep, right? Whereas for someone who is maybe, you know, excited, has an expectation, you know, I'm expecting something today, has a feeling of expectation, and the, and the behavior is alertness. So no matter whatever the situation is, so let's look at a situation like this. Yes, there may be a difficult situation. The way that you look at the situation. So let's say it's, it's a financial situation, you have a struggle financially. Okay, now I will just look at it two ways. Maybe one person thinks of it as, okay, this is God forever. Okay, this is my doom, my children are going to beg, beg. We're not going to have anywhere, we're going to be out on the street. Let's say that's the thought. Okay. What's the emotion going to be? The emotion is going to be one of fear. Emotion is going to be one of, one of worry, one of anxiety. Okay. And what behavior is that going to be? There's probably going to be, you know, there's a sense of a lack of self-esteem within them. They probably are going around telling every, every person, you know, I don't have any money. I'm sure, you know, this is, this is the end of it for me. So they begin to discuss it with people in a negative form as well. Let's look at the other part. Let's say a person who has hope and faith and says, you know, God is going to pull me through this. God is the one who's going to give me an increase. He's the one who sees, no matter what my challenges are, he's in this with me. So that's the thought. So what happens to the feeling? The feeling is one of expectation, the one of joy, the one of hope. Okay. And maybe the behavior will be, you know, they probably put in their resume somewhere, they go and talk to people and say, you know, I'm expecting something. I'm looking for a job. There seems to be more strength than energy that comes out of this. Okay. So recognizing that situations can, any situation, whether it's a positive or a negative situation, can bring about a positive or a negative thought, which can bring about harbor negative feelings. Okay. So recognizing this, this kind of a flow chart, you know, a simple way, know that every situation has the potential to bring about certain thoughts. And these thoughts bring about feelings or emotions that we harbor, and these emotions propel our behavior. Okay. So recognizing the thoughts and these negative emotions are so important, because it helps us see the more that we operate, we guard our hearts and operate in faith, the more that we are able to respond to a situation better. I hope I answered that brought about a little bit more clarity, Charles, for you. Okay. Right. So guarding our hearts. So how, so the first thing that we said was, yes, we need to recognize that every challenge can bring about these feelings or these negative feelings towards our situation and negative feelings towards God. So how do we guard our hearts? The first and foremost thing is you can guard your heart by meditating on the word of God, by keeping your eyes focused on his word. So there are millions of things that happen in our world, but for all those million things, there is a word of God that gives you hope, that gives you strength to carry on. Okay.  Okay. It's like this. You know, when you, let's say, I don't know if I'm sure some of you know how you make French toast, right? French toast is made, you take bread, you take milk, egg, sugar, and you dip, soak the bread in it and then, you know, kind of pan fry it. So whatever you're soaked in, that's what you are full of. So when you soak God's word, when you soak in God's word, you will only exude what is the word of God and you meditate on it. But if you harbor or continue to hash out to, to ruminate about these feelings, you know, the bitterness or the anger that you're feeling, you will only be soaked in that. So the, the sure cut way is to keep God's word in your heart. So the greater the challenges, you know, the greater of God's word we need in, in, in ourselves, sorry, excuse me. So the greater the challenges, the greater we need to keep meditating on God's word to keep us focused on Him. Okay. We also, as, as, as a way of recognizing these negative attitudes is to ask God to fill us with the fruit of His Spirit that comes from the Holy Spirit. You know, those, the nine fruit of the Spirit, love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, gentleness, faithfulness, and self-control. To ask God to fill us with that heart attitude that only comes from the work of the Holy Spirit. So keeping on asking and, you know, joining ourselves in it. So the more that we are in the Spirit, the more of the fruit we are going to express, we are going to manifest. So this, the, the way that we, our attitude towards these situations completely matter. And that's what I meant by saying, you know, when in a situation you have the choice to either make it something that is filled with faith or to be filled with fear. You have the choice. You can decide which way you are going to go. And one way of doing that is keeping your, your heart fixed on God's word, because that will keep reminding you that I need to respond in faith. And that keeps reminding me and helps me recognize that I'm operating in fear. Okay. So the, the, the focus is on the solution. It's on the remedy, knowing that God is the one who can turn this around for you. So when you focus in faith, you're also focusing on the solution. You're focusing on the way God is going to time this out for you or God is going to work things out for you. Okay. There's an, there is a nice analogy that's given here in the book. It talks about two birds, the hummingbird and the vulture. And it says, during migration, they fly over desert regions. So they fly over something that is extremely dry and arid and, you know, is absolutely not fertile. And all that the vultures look for is dead meat. All that they look for and seek for is dead meat. Whereas the hummingbird looks for those colorful blooms that may be that, that is there in the desert. So, so you will only find what you are looking for. So as a vulture, the vulture looks for carcasses. But whereas the, the hummingbird looks for those fresh things, things that have life. So the more that you, you will only find what you, what you're seeking. And that's a lesson for us to know that even through desert times, even through times of storm, we can choose to, to operate in fear, or we can choose to operate in faith. Okay. That brings us to the next part of, of how, what else do we do is to overcome evil with good. And, you know, this is something that we keep stating over and over again about how this is so important for us as believers. And maybe I'll ask one of you to read the scripture that's there on page 130. And it is Romans 12 versus 19 to 21. So would someone kindly read that Romans 12 19 to 21 Romans 12 19 to 21. Never take revenge, my friends. But instead, let God's anger do it. For the scripture says, I will take revenge. I will pay back says the Lord. Indeed, as the scripture says, if your enemies are hungry, feed them. If they are thirsty, give them a drink. For by doing this, you will make them burn shame.  Instead, conquer evil with good. Thank you. Thank you, Christopher. So, you know, this is, this is quite a different principle from what you will hear the world saying. And I'm saying this because, you know, even as I help people, I work with people, I work with unbelievers as well. And one of the common threads that I see, among people who have not experienced the grace of God is the need to pay back. It's the need to, you know, so, especially among couples, I do see when there is, when there is unfaithfulness, the affected party always says, how is the person going to pay back? How is the person going to pay back? How much are they going to pay back? And I know of couples who, who, who has a list of things that they want a payback for. Okay. And the list is on and on and on. So often the question that I ask these, these couples are, okay, let's say that your partner has paid back everything in full.  And I have this one, one wife tell me, you know, as a wife, I'm dead, but I want to pay back. So in her mind that it's only until her husband pays back in full, can they even get even? Okay. And this husband, I think initially he did try to do the payback, but then he's figured that it's absolutely not possible. And he's been asking for forgiveness, which she definitely is finding hard to do. So it is natural that you want revenge. You want to take things in your, in, you know, in your control so that you can treat the other person as unfairly as they treated you. But scripture is very clear that revenge is not for us, but instead it says God is the one who pays back. He is the one who will bring justice. He is the one who will ensure that retribution. But for us, we do not take the place of God, but step back and instead do something that is quite contrary. It is to do good. It is, it is to overcome whatever evil has happened with good.  So what, what does this mean? So every time it's a conscious decision that you will step away from revenge. You choose to step away from revenge. You know, and I think it also happens in very small situations at home, you know, like for example, and, you know, just this morning I was talking to a friend and this friend was saying that there was, there was something that the husband had dropped on the, on the floor. Okay. I think it was, it was some piece of paper or something like that. And so, you know, when, when this wife actually bought this up to the husband, the husband retorted back and said, what about all the other things that you put on the floor? How come you've not taken note of that? You know, so it takes wisdom to step back and not retaliate. Okay. Whether it's a husband or a wife, I mean, this is, this is not talking about anyone specifically, but just saying that it takes a step back to retaliate and the need to want justice or have that tit for tat, butter for fat, you kill my cat, I kill your rat, right? To, to, to need to step back so that you can, and what you're doing is you're choosing to forgive a specific offence. You're choosing, you're, you're saying, I'm not going to take this, but, but I am choosing to forgive. And that is a willful act. Okay. And we will talk about more, talk about this more in the next, in the next week about forgiveness. It is choosing to love even when it is painful. And it is choosing to do something to yield even when you really don't have to. Okay. That's what is evil, overcoming evil with good. So keeping away revenge and choosing to, to do good, even when you really don't have to, even when it hurts or even when, when there could probably be unforgiveness, you're extending that because not out of your own. So a lot of times, you know, we do find it hard to do it. And many times it's because we're probably psyching ourselves to do it on our own. But if we can come to a place of absolute surrender and telling God, saying, God, I have no strength and grace to do good or to, you know, just be nice in the situation. I don't have the strength. And that's where, I think that's where the power of God just flows mightily, even without your knowledge, even without your understanding. You probably don't know the, the whereabouts and the nuances of it, but it will come when we choose to keep away from doing it on our own strength or our own will or our own willpower, you know, or just for the fact, you know, I have to do it because I'm religiously supposed to be doing this. But then when we need to come to the end of our, you know, the last breath for God to really show his strength and power. And I know that we've all faced it in some situations or the other. Okay. So the first one is guarding our hearts. Second is overcoming evil with good. The third is to be able to exercise our faith. When we look into, you know, whatever we've read in the Gospels, we see that when people come running to God in their times of distress or in a situation of distress, a lot of times he's turned around and asked them, where is your faith? What's, you know, just or it says only believe or have faith in God or don't you believe that, you know, I can do this for you. Right. So, so some of the instances that, that we see is, you know, when the, when the disciples were on the boat with Jesus, the first thing he asks his disciples, where is your faith? Right. Or at a point when Jairus comes, you know, when his daughter dies, he comes to Jesus and says, he tells Jesus, don't be afraid.  So when we exercise our faith, we are not putting our focus on our ability to work things out, but we are inviting the control of God. Now, as human beings, you know, and this is, this is quite true if you think of it, we do not want to be in a place of not being in control. You know, we need to be in control. Everything we need to be aware of. Right. And that's a lot of our human and carnal nature.  I need to know what's going on right now. You know, if there is some and that's what causes a lot of agitation and upset in our lives, you know, maybe let's say in a workplace, your colleague or someone has, has told you that they would do something, but they don't land up doing it.  You've lost control about what you want to do, how you need to do it, how it should be done. Okay. And to know, to understand that often in challenges, we, we respond like that because we, we know we have lost control. But fear sets in because we are trying to assume that control back. But faith is about giving God the control, knowing that he is absolutely in complete control of every situation. And there's nothing that does not pass him. There's nothing that he is not aware of. So regardless of what the situation is, whether it's a death, whether it's an illness, whether it's a financial issue, whether it's the waywardness of a child, whether it's the unfaithfulness of a spouse, whether it's abuse, whatever, whatever it may be, we know that God, that as we place our trust in God, he will work things out in a manner that will help us in, in our days ahead. Okay. We see another example of Abraham. Okay. We see that when God called Abraham, he left everything, right? When he left everything and he did, and he followed what, what God wanted him to do. He moved from one place to another without really knowing anything, right? Without understanding anything.  It's a place of peace. It's a place of assurance.  So we don't allow that faith, the fear to take away our faith, but we respond in faith because we know that there will be victory, there will be life, there will be abundance, there will be success, there will be his perfect will that comes as a result of these challenges. So responding to our challenges in faith. Now, this is tougher when situations are really hard, like we spoke about the irreversible situations, it gets tougher there. But we are yet called to be a people of faith and the more that we relinquish the need to be in control and allow God to take on the wheel, the more we begin to see the beauty of those challenges. And the fourth one is to be able to take small steps but yet positive steps in the way we deal with our situations. So God, the way that we may deal with every situation may be very, very different, but yet we shouldn't be stagnant, we take that smaller step of faith every time as we're passing through those difficult situations. So depending on what the situation may be, if it is one of extreme violence and abuse, smaller steps of getting the help of people who would begin to sort some things out. Or if it's a financial situation, it is probably to get the help of some advisors who will give you some ways of saving and some ways of investing or some ways of budgeting. Or if it is a period of bereavement and grief that one may be going through, it is getting the help of good believers or good friends who can walk alongside with you through the difficult time and encourage you through that. If it's a time of sickness where you stand together in faith with others who could declare healing and restoration through that. So depending on what every situation is, is to be able to take those small little steps with his help to journey through it. Psalm 40 verses 1 to 3, maybe I can request somebody to read that. I'm on page 131, Psalm 41 to 3. Psalm 41 to 3, I waited patiently for the Lord and he inclined to me and heard my cry. He also brought me up out of a horrible pit, out of the mighty clay and set my feet upon a rock and established my steps. He has put a song in my mouth, praise to our God. Many will see it and fear and will trust in the Lord. Amen. Thank you, Anita.  So there are going to be seasons in your life that we may need to walk in wisdom and start moving forward little by little, taking those little steps with the help of God to help you from the place that you have been to the place that God wants you to be. So walking in wisdom and being able to think ahead, to think long term and to think about how God can fulfill his plans and purposes for you despite the challenges that you may come by. Okay, so the four very practical steps, one is to be able to guard your heart of the negative feelings, guard your negative, guard your heart of the feelings that you may have towards God by meditating on God's word and asking the power of the Holy Spirit. The second would be to overcome evil with good, not following revenge or retaliation. The third is to keep exercising the faith we have in God, to declaring that as we respond in faith, as we respond through faith, that's what will bring us to a place of rest, to a place of confidence, to a place of patience and resting. And fourth, to be wise and take whatever small steps that may be required to go through these challenges. We have five minutes and I want to just stop for any questions or any thoughts, any observations, any testimonies, if you've put any of these principles in place, how has that worked for you? So I'll keep this open for the next five minutes for any questions or observations or thoughts. Yes, Christopher. And Samuel, I'll get you after that. Yes, Christopher. Just a question on overcoming evil with good. And the week it was Romans 19-21. So it mentioned over there that instead let God's anger do it. And where this critic says, I will take revenge, I will pay taxes a lot. So I'm just thinking that it could be natural for the person who is undergoing that challenge or the one who has been going through that tough time to go back to God and rely on God to do the payback and still not feel real forgiveness.  So I'm just wondering how, I mean, is that really forgiveness that has been shown? Okay. Thank you, Christopher. So what we are called to do is, so I think in a situation like that, we're dictating to God that God, I'm waiting for you to do the payback. But what is needed of us is we've given up the need or the desire that there be a payback. And that is left to God to do. Knowing that God in his time, so when is the time? It can be at a point of, it can be later, maybe during judgment, it can be at any point of time. That is not something that we are called to look into. So when we say, not take revenge, but let the Lord do his work. And so if we take this in line with other scripture, it is that we forgive as Christ forgave us. So we don't take this scripture just of itself, but take it in conjunction with other scriptures that says, when you are wronged, you know, go, set things right with your brother, and then come and pray to me, right? So we see that in Matthew, you know, set things right, and then come back and pray because unforgiveness is sin and unforgiveness does not, you know, unforgiveness hinders your prayers. So if it is with a heart of unforgiveness or a heart of bitterness that you're going to God, that is in a place of sin. So we need to come to a place of releasing, extending that forgiveness and knowing that out whatever happens thereafter is God's doing and that there is no need for me as an individual to know or to see the payback happening. So we've relinquished it into the hands of God, but followed the obedience, being obedient to his word of forgiving the other as we relinquish it into the hands of God. I hope I answered that, Christopher. Samuel? Yeah. Samuel, I think you had a question too. Thank you. I just had something to share. Sure, go ahead. So I have, so my one year old, very recently, she fell sick, like she caught her first flu, and all, so my elder one is five year old. So we just got reminded of how difficult it is when an infant, a one year old gets her first flu. The first time the baby's nose is blocked and she can't breathe and she is fussy all the time. So we just got reminded of that. And so all of this I just, it came about in retrospect later when I was reflecting, which is, and of course, through my, through my wife's mouth, which is when, when the infant falls sick, I think my wife, she is bitter and she is vicious a little bit in a good way. Like I think as most mothers are, because we are so helpless and, and I think her natural response was to, I mean, she would look for a fight. I mean, she wants to blame somebody or maybe I don't want a way of her responding to the situation. So she would look for a fight and she would keep, I think I, the husband being the closest one. I'm the bearer of the brand.  You know, and I didn't notice that I didn't do it. And then when I reflected in the past normally she would look for a fight and I would give her a fight if she would say the medicine not worth the doctor, the doctor is not proper. Like, we shouldn't have gone here. We shouldn't have done this. And, and she would keep saying those things. And I would, I would somehow respond in a way and, and we would have some argument and then, you know, go into separate rooms, cool off and going back. But it didn't happen this time. I was like, I was besides her, I just quietly get us taking it. And I think I was a lot in prayer. I didn't give her a fight. And, and she, I mean, I didn't realize I was doing all of this. I just, something I think, but, but I think it could be from this. I mean, not, I think I know that something that I've taken from this class is a different perspective to compassion and how, you know, how in how compassion is a big element in marriage and how it's required. And, and more than seeking for compassion, I think I could have more compassion towards myself. So I think that was something that I was, I kept on reminding myself when a younger one was not well and, and after she became fine, the stormy, maybe weathered the storm. And when they were playing, she said, you didn't give me a fight this time. And that was, and she thanked me for it. And I thought that was amazing. And I just wanted to share that. Thank you, Samuel. Thank you so much. I mean, it's, it's, it's so lovely that, you know, God's truth can actually so beautifully be practically worked out in our lives. And we see the fruit of it, you know, when we're actually obedient. So that's something that I'm, I think I'm also personally learning as I have teens in my home. And if you have teens in your home, you'd know sometimes the things that they say can be quite sharp and cutting. And, you know, often, there is, there is this, the sense of retort that I feel I must say. But, you know, I'm trying to put this principle, it is an easy, because it can be hurting when they say something. But when you choose to not respond, it may be in a, in a, in a place, in a place from anger or frustration. But at a later point of time, lovingly address that, I've seen that it definitely creates a lot more of warmth and togetherness.  But you've decided chosen to let it be, let it go, not respond, but overcome that later with some, you know, with maybe a correction in a, in a, in a way that is not demeaning or not angry or not coming out of from sarcasm. So yes. Thank you. Thank you for sharing, Samia. All right, we'll close for break. It's 1049. I'll, we'll take an extra five minutes. We'll come back by 11.5. It's 1049 on my clock. It's 11.5. We can, we can return from a tea break. Go quickly grab a cup of coffee and get back. See you soon.


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Well, hello everyone and welcome to the live today. Sorry, my lips just got super dry. I thought I would just touch them up. Sorry, thank you so much for joining me on this call. I wanted to, no, sorry. Still learning StreamYard as well, obviously. But I wanted to do this live today to answer any questions that you guys have about the Profile to Profit course. It's officially launches on Monday. So right now the course students are just looking over module one. And in module one, the bulk of module one is getting yourself ready to tackle your profile. So we're looking at some settings that you can adjust to make sure that you're getting maximum visibility on your profile as well as doing a really comprehensive target audience exercise. And ironically, I was just talking about this exercise this morning as I was delivering a workshop for a career-ready program. And we were talking about this exercise because I think the one thing that many of us tend to forget on LinkedIn with our profile is our profile is a conversation. It's not a static online resume, but it is a conversation that we're having with our target audience. So that's why I feel this target audience exercise is so important. So anyways, the students that have enrolled already, that's what they're working on this week. Is they're getting all of their paperwork ready for when we launch on Monday with all of the lessons that deal with the profile from top to bottom. So, but I wanted to answer your questions today. Please post your questions either in the Facebook chat or in the YouTube chat. I also have some commonly asked questions that have come in throughout the different master classes that I've hosted. So I'm going to answer those, but I encourage you to plunk your comments in the chat so I can answer them. So I'm just flipping over to, yes. So this was a common question. It came up a couple of times on the master classes for those people who aren't in sales, if profile to profit is a good course for them. Because it is, I do call it a LinkedIn optimization course for sales professionals, but it's not just for sales professionals. A lot of the examples in the course deal with sales professionals because that's my background and my expertise and the people that I work with. However, the exercises are what I call agnostic in nature that they take you on your own journey. So regardless of the industry that you're in, the journey will speak to you and you can answer these questions for whatever industry that you're coming from.  In fact, when I first created profile to profit, which was almost a year ago now, the original intent was for those in the meetings industry. And what happened over that time is people were asking me, well, if I'm not in the meetings industry, will I capitalize on the content in the course? So the course went through actually a name change because I didn't want to exclude people who weren't in the meetings industry because so many of the principles, of course, apply to everyone. So I hope I answered that question about profile to profit being a good fit regardless of the industry that you were in. So another question that came up is about those who are currently furloughed and looking for employment. So the first version of this course didn't have a lesson about open to work and about looking for employment, but this one does. So I recorded a lesson just for people who were looking for employment because I think there are things you can intentionally do when you're open to work, that's different from when you are not currently looking for employment. So the lesson, it alludes to a lot of the content that's covered in the course, but then it gives you those extra tips. So yes, there is a lesson right in profile to profit for those who are currently furloughed or looking for work. So if you're looking for work, I hope that answered your question. Again, if you have questions, please drop them in the chat box, whether you're watching this on Facebook or YouTube because I wanna make sure that I answer your questions. This is your time to ask questions about the course. Okay, so I've got another question here about the swipe copy. Yeah, it's a great question. So for those of you who attended my masterclass or looked at the sales page for profile to profit, there is a bonus swipe copy template pack. And the word swipe, it's a weird word. It kind of sounds like Dora the Explorer and her friend Swiper, Swiper, stop swiping. But essentially is that the swipe copy that I've created for this course are a bunch of invitation templates that you can use to extend to people and invite them into your network. And that way it saves you from trying to create something from scratch. So the copy that's in the swipe file, you would copy and then you would swap out words of course that makes sense to you. You would swap out your name, you would swap out the person that you're trying to connect to, make sure their name is in there. And of course some other mostly nouns that you can swap in and out of that swipe copy. In fact, thank you for the reminder because I have my best ideas maybe like many of you when I'm just drifting off to sleep or waking up in the morning. And as I was waking up this morning, I was like, oh, I don't know if I have that scenario in the swipe file. So my job today is to actually update the swipe file with one other scenario that came up. And I wanna make sure that my students have that invitation swipe copy. So great question about swipe copy. If you ever see that word out in the industry, now you know what it is. Question about how long it takes to go through the program. So what I've done is the program is made up of four modules and right now students have access to module number one, which is made up I believe of three or four introductory lessons to kind of get you ready to dive into your profile. And then what I'm doing is I'm launching the other three modules on subsequent Mondays. So for example, Monday, March 8th coming up here is module two, oops, wrong document. And then module three is on March 15th and module four on March 22nd. So the entire course itself will finish up by the end of March. And of course I'm launching a module a day and here's why is, yes, you can binge watch this program, you can binge watch it at the end of March if you'd like, but to get the most out of profile to profit, doing a lesson a day and the lessons are anywhere between six to 12 minutes. But then going back to think about what's going to be the best copy for you or how can you optimize that particular section or what can you do with this education on creating content? So that's why I launched the lessons like kind of like one a day is to give you time to kind of go away and come back with a fresh set of eyes and maybe some new ideas. Now, once all the modules have launched and it's the end of March and maybe you've gone through the whole program, the modules don't disappear, the lessons don't disappear. In fact, nothing disappears. So you have access to profile to profit for lifetime. And as I make updates, you receive those updates either in real time or when I do a subsequent launch which right now I'm looking at September for my next launch. And those are the updates that my former students have now received. So that new open to work lesson that I mentioned, anyone who was in profile to profit in 2020 now has access to that open to work lesson. And I'm thinking about different things to add to the next launch, which of course you would have access to at no additional charge. I should say this though with these different additions I'm adding, I suspect the fall launch of profile to profit will be at a higher price point. I've been doing a ton of research on programs of this nature. I feel strongly that my content can change lives and change the way that you present yourself on LinkedIn. So I am going to be pricing it accordingly and being fair to market value with the course. I've had a question come in, how do I manage to market a particular product to a diverse population? So I can tell you, James, that part of profile to profit, what we do outline in the about section is how to create different sections for different roles or different products that you have. So I show you how to do that and how all the settings work so that you can create an about section that speaks to a number of different audiences. Because that part can be a little bit tricky especially with the tech inside of LinkedIn. So I hope I answered that question there. So another question came up about the LinkedIn group. So the LinkedIn group is, I suppose, live right now. I'm not jumping in the LinkedIn group every day right now but I'm going to start jumping into the LinkedIn group quite regularly on Monday. So if you are a course participant, go and find the LinkedIn group as per the instructions inside of the course. And then when you go to the group you will be allowed access into the group and then we can start engaging inside of the private group. Starting Monday is when the kind of group is kind of open as our launch and we can introduce ourselves and maybe even plunk our LinkedIn links in there or plunk a common question you have about your LinkedIn profile. So there's going to be a ton of stuff we do in this LinkedIn group to support the students. And of course I chose a LinkedIn group versus a Facebook group because we are on LinkedIn. However, if you have questions and aren't comfortable with the group you know how to get a hold of me as one of my students. So the group's going to be a ton of fun. I'm really looking forward to jumping into the group with the students. And then there was a question about the LinkedIn in 10 minutes a day bonus and what that all entailed. You know the history of this bonus started because I created almost like a system for myself. And there was a time a couple of years ago where I wanted to be consistent on LinkedIn but I was really struggling with what to post on LinkedIn every single day. So I started to put pen to paper and kind of create some sketches of a calendar of sorts. And what it did is it gave me a lot of calm because now that feeling of overwhelm in the morning I eliminated because now I had this calendar and I could wake up and go, well today I'm doing this, this and this on LinkedIn. So that's what created this bonus or that's what sparked the idea for this bonus is the calendars that I've already created. So LinkedIn in 10 minutes a day what the students get out of that bonus are sample activities to kind of reduce the unknown and the overwhelm when they wake up in the morning and they're not sure what to post on LinkedIn. So it's a fantastic document kind of again to save themselves some stress. It was a document I was gonna market as a standalone product and who knows I might still do that someday but I wanted to include it in LinkedIn because I think that's one of the biggest things that trips us up even when we have a compelling profile is what we should be doing to get eyes on our profile instead of it just sitting kind of static on the internet. So that's the LinkedIn in 10 minutes a day bonus that is part of the program. Sorry, I'm just gonna flip over to my other questions here. Again, if you have questions about Profile to Profit the doors are open right now the doors are going to close tonight. Let's see if I put a comment in here if I can doors close this evening. At 9 p.m. Pacific and which is midnight for you Easterners and again to enroll in Profile to Profit go simply to liankulderwood.com forward slash LinkedIn. Again, that's liankulderwood.com forward slash LinkedIn and there you can find Profile to Profit and you can sign up for the course. Right now the course is 197 US that includes all the bonuses that I just described if you had any questions about those bonuses and there is a PayPal and I'll be honest the PayPal it isn't the ideal system but as I've been telling my students I'm not a tech geek and a tech expert just yet but I'm getting there and one of the tech things that I'm going to figure out for my next launch is the back-end payments. So you can pay through PayPal that's the easiest way to pay but if you don't have PayPal that's okay too. So if you get a PayPal prompt just simply enter your email address and it'll take you to a credit card screen and you pay with a credit card no PayPal interference at all. So if you have any questions about the PayPal and you're struggling with the PayPal again reach out to me and we can make something work for you so that payment method doesn't trip you up. Okay, so that's the doors are closing like I said tonight at nine PM we've got the link up for you here I'm just gonna go back to my list of questions to make sure I've answered all the questions about the course. Yes, so someone asked if I've done this course already. Yes, actually this is the second version of the course per se. The first one was last year during the summer and I had about 10 introductory students go through that program. They provided me with feedback on things that not only they liked but things that created a bit of pause or confusion. So we cleaned that all up and we launched it a second time in October. So this is kind of the third reiteration of profile to profit and we're not slowing down anytime soon we're gonna have the fourth reiteration come out in the fall. Now I should mention before that is a brand new course that's going to be coming out closer to the summer about personal branding and the personal branding course is going to touch on LinkedIn for sure because LinkedIn is a big part of personal branding especially if you're in a B2B industry but there's so much more to branding than just your LinkedIn presence. So that course it's all encompassing it's almost like a complete transformation course for your personal brand. That's gonna be coming out in the summer and then of course profile to profit will be coming out again next fall. So just gonna, sorry, duck back and make sure that I've answered all the questions here about profile to profit. Do you discuss LinkedIn groups in profile to profit? That's a great question. Thank you for asking that. So yes, we do talk about LinkedIn group best practices in profile to profit and some of the ways that you can create content in there and one of the biggest things about groups is even just how to find the most relevant groups for you. So I take you through those settings to ensure that the groups that you're finding are the places that you should be hanging out at in the first place. So we do that for groups and we also talk about hashtags in profile to profit and capitalizing on the power of hashtags to increase your visibility and find the right conversations. So I hope that helps answer the question about groups and hashtags. If you have any other questions at all again just drop them in the chat whether you're on Facebook or YouTube just drop those questions in the chat. I wanna make sure that I answer all of your questions. I'm just quickly going over to the Facebook page to make sure that I haven't missed anything over there. Like I said before, even though I'm a LinkedIn geek I'm not a technology geek and I wanna make sure that I haven't missed anything because of my lack of knowledge of the tech platforms that are going on. So I apologize. I'm just gonna quickly check the YouTube and make sure I've answered all the questions that may have appeared over there as well. I hope I don't screw anything up here. Why are they doing that? Yeah, see, I probably did. So if there aren't any other questions I'm going to end this live early. And if you have questions though, oh, thank you Naomi, my good friend Naomi. She's so sweet. What a great course offering to help with you with being intentional and purposeful about your LinkedIn profile strategy. So Naomi's a student of mine. She's also a friend of mine and Naomi has her own course coming out very shortly. So if you're not following Naomi on LinkedIn I highly recommend you do. So you're gonna get a lot of tips and tricks to get you through 2021 by following Naomi's content. So thank you so much everyone for joining today's live. If you have other questions, you know where to find me find me over on LinkedIn. And if you're interested again in profile to profit go to liankholderwood.com forward slash LinkedIn and enroll today. Doors closed this evening and my students are getting started bright and early on Monday morning. Thank you so much for joining the live today. I wish you well wherever you are on your LinkedIn journey and I do hope to run into you somewhere soon. Thanks everyone. Bye for now.


Good morning. Good afternoon. Good evening. Wherever you're healing from welcome to another special cube con EU 2021 edition office hours today. I am joined by members of the wonderful okd community I would like to thank all of you for joining today And I'm actually going to have to probably turn my video off at some point so that all of you can fit in the Screen if you end up sharing anything on screen. So thank you very much for joining and watching I'm going to hand it over to Josh real quick to run about introductions and Josh take it away Thank you. And I'm here welcoming the okd working group our community for okd the most exciting distribution of kubernetes And let me introduce the members of our community here and we will start with dian Hey Yes, sure As we all are recouping from a late early morning or whatever you were at cube con. I'm welcome all I'm dianne euler. I am one of the co-chairs of the okd working group. I'm also the director of Community development at red hat and okd is one of my favorite things on the universe and I'm really pleased here to have today a number of folks from the okd working group so that I don't have to talk too much and most of them have had production home lab All kinds of different approaches to deploying okd. So please pepper them all with your questions There's lots of good Experience here with okd And I'll hand it over to chero. Maybe now Hey everyone chero groover recent new hire to red hat actually been with the company for Oh goodness about nine months now August will be my one-year anniversary So I've transitioned from being a 20-year customer of red hat products to now being on the other side of that fence and subjecting other customers to these wonderful products been using okd since the three dot x days actually used it In lab settings as well as in development and experiment environments that that eventually led The company that that I was employed by from becoming a an ocp an open shift customer So I'm very excited about seeing the journey that a lot of you are taking with this Sort of upstream side stream project that is my favorite kubernetes distribution by far And I'll hand it over to jamie Hi, I'm jamie magara. I'm a dev ops engineer at the university of michigan and I have been utilizing okd for some time now as a development sandbox for developers at the university of michigan And have done a lot of work in automating installation of okd UPI v-sphere installations And have done a lot of work in trying to Improve the documentation and make it more accessible to folks such as the viewers here who want to embrace okd And let me pick now joseph Hello, I'm joseph mayer. I'm a cloud architect at the company rhodie in schwarz sir German I'm unique located company. We are in a telcom and I'm Using okd since more than three years now We used it for starting our digital business journey And we used a lots of distributions before okd And yes okd was was our favorite ones in our evaluation phase We are using it for our development Engineers and also we use it in production currently Few hundred developers are on it and it has great potential for us. It Yeah, we I love it a lot and I worked I work with see together with the okd working group. I think since more than one and a half year now In yeah fixing bugs testing testing a lot in my homelab here mostly on v-sphere but also I did a little bit of work for asia and I select John Hey everybody So my name is john fortun. I work for a company called market america. Um, I've been using okd since it was origin back in the day probably about three dot four Uh, we are using in production currently in 311 and since about October and november of last year. We've started to really look at okd 4 And starting to do a lot of testing with it. I've been involved Quite a bit with the testing on v-sphere, especially ipi Bug smashing squishing You know trying to get Okd 4 to be as stable as we can possibly get it for the the best amount of people So it's been a lot of fun. I'm really enjoying this community And let's see who's left Timothy Timothy Hey, so hi, I'm timeterre avier and I work in the chorus team as a software engineer at trade at And essentially I do a lot of the work On federal chorus that's needed to move the the OS forward And that's mostly it for me And for folks that don't know fedora chloro west is the underlying operating system that the nodes of okd utilize Yeah, and I think we need to start out because We're having this during kubcon. We have some people who are completely new to okd So does somebody want to take on the usual question, which is what is okd? Why Yes, I think we do and in fact we've got some material to share on that so without further ado Let me Share my screen You guys should be seeing an okd working group office hour slide. Give me a thumbs up All right, okay, so what is okd? That's what we're going to talk about here. We're going to give a quick overview Give you a quick update on current state where we are Talk a bit, but not a lot because we'll save it for some of your q&a about what what differentiates okd and open shifts from some other kubernetes distributions and Finally give you some info on how you can connect with The working groups both the okd working group and our fedora core os working group so okd It is a community distribution of kubernetes end of story that it is a Distribution of kubernetes. So it is 100 percent kubernetes Right, this is not a fork of kubernetes or something slightly different. This is All kubernetes That that's a question that we get from time to time It is also open shift. So so any of you that might be red hat subscribers to OCP the open shift container platform The code base of of okd is the exact same code base as open shift The difference is that where ocp is sitting on red hat core os as its underlying operating system We have an upstream component of our open shift distribution that is fedora core os So what does this provide for you? Well, you know, it it is a kubernetes distribution like we described But we also sort of refer to it as a kubernetes plus plus Because it automates a lot of the installation the patching and the updates From the operating system up. So once you have your open shift cluster up and running It is going to take care of itself to a great extent you you can have zero downtime updates although A lot of us tend to cross our fingers when we're doing the updates, especially since we're running upstream but By and large the the updates are a very pleasurable experience Except on those rare occasions when they aren't And like other kubernetes distributions, it enables you to run cloud native applications from a host of Programming languages platforms the the technologies that you would expect to run in a cloud platform Without locking you into a specific cloud provider So whether you want to run on your own metal you want to run on Overt or open stack or vmware or aws or azure or gcp or a host of cloud providers Your applications will run the same because they're running on the same kubernetes platform So The state of where we're at right now is Version 4.7. So so we are at parity with our Subscription-based ocp 4.8 is going to introduce some exciting new capabilities that we're all looking forward to to trying out in our labs Coming up here pretty soon One of the ones that i'm most excited about is going to be boot strapless single node clusters Any of you that that have worked with deploying an open shift cluster at this point You know from one of our okd projects You know that that one of the first things that has to start up is a bootstrap node that exists only as long as it Takes to to get the cluster up and running Well for single node clusters with 4.8. They are going to be able to bootstrap themselves I don't know if any of us have experimented with that yet. I know that I have not I hope too soon But that's something i'm really excited about We're also getting a lot more collaboration now Really starting in our 4.6 release, but it's accelerating in our 4.7 release With a lot of the providers of the operators that you find in operator hub So more and more of the operators that are available in the subscription based product Are now showing up as their upstream counterparts in our operator hub There are also providers that are Starting to create new operators bespoke operators for okd And and this is giving us an opportunity to to really enable adoption of Upcoming and newer technologies like i'm in my own home lab I'm running upstream versions of seth for my storage provider for as a tecton So that I can get a feel for you know new things that are going to be available in Open shift pipelines or open shift container storage as they come along I'm going to talk for just a minute about the operator pattern because this is one of the things that that really differentiates okd From other kubernetes distributions is that from the bottom up okd is based on operators the very first thing that starts running on that bootstrap Know to get a cluster up and running is an operator Operators manage the entire ecosystem operators Control the updates they control the versioning they control and maintain the health of your cluster So from the the the cluster version operator, which is the thing that is controlling all of your top level All the way down to Managing the underlying operating system the version of fedora core os that is running on your nodes Those are all operators Which makes the care and feeding and maintenance of one of these clusters Much easier than what you may have experienced in a more traditional kubernetes environment And again, like I said operator hub is the place to get just about anything you want to run in your cluster And as we continue to work with our companion projects that provide the operators for The ocp platform you'll see more and more red hat official operators showing up in the operator hub as well as a host of community provided operators Finally, I'm going to introduce you to Our working groups so that you can connect online with this very active and very excited group of individuals We'd love for you to come and join us I'm going to leave this screen up for just a little bit so you can screen shot it or snap it or whatever Uh, this is our our slack channels our google group We have bi-weekly meetings that you can find at that fedora project calendar site And we maintain a couple of repositories Uh that we track our issues and features and and things of that nature again fedora core os by the same token and i'll leave this slide up for a few seconds A few seconds again Has a very active community And timothy is here with us today. So if there are any fedora core os specific questions He is the man to answer those for you Here are a few more resources that you can grab I'll leave this up for a few seconds for any screenshots And because this is an office hour and not a slight presentation I talked very fast and blew through these slides. So let's get to the office hour and answer your question Thanks everybody Okay, so we have questions all over the map um from both existing ok to users and from I uh folks who are looking at it because of this Um, one of the first ones that came in here was from sanjay um Who is interested in using dns mask? um I As a service or something else For caching dns inside okt um and wants to know If there's anybody's experience with that if somebody has put up a how-to somewhere Thoughts that one may be a dumper I I have not um, I have not Attempted to do anything with that yet I'd be interested If if he could type it in asynchronously and what the specific use case is what the need is for a dns cash Um, because I have it personally in my lab or or even in the production ocp clusters that I that I've worked with come across a scenario Where the native dns provider of the cluster itself? wasn't sufficient Okay, I've asked him to expand on his use case Um, so we've got some other more sort of basic questions about installation Um, one was somebody who wants to try out okd Um, and they're having some issues with the installation being complicated Um earlier you talked about the boot strapless Um installation that's coming Is that is that sort of your me our main installation simplification effort? You know, it's the beginning. It's the beginning of it right now If you're installing okd on one of the major cloud providers And this is true for okd and ocp The open shift installer itself Is able to natively communicate with that cloud provider Um, the I I'm going to I'm going to speculate that the individual asking the question is probably doing a user provisioned infrastructure Install what we call a upi install and those those are um somewhat more complex because they require Uh some upfront configuration of you know dns providers networks things of that nature that that are you know that that Add complexities rather than just running open shift install and then answering a few menu questions and watching your cluster grow in aws or or gcp or azure Yeah Yeah, you know where i'm going so, uh, we have a uh off the website, uh, if you go to okd.io there's a link to a A series of guides that cover aws, azure, gcp Home lab single node v sphere and these are guides for upi A lot of upi some ipi um For installing okd On these platforms and so that Is a great place to start if you're running into issues um Check it out because there's a lot of the sort of the nuance detail that you might not find in in the um The standard documentation standard okd documentation and it provides some background on prerequisites For example, that's really helpful. I think uh in the case of the v sphere upi. I've actually got a Repository with a script that does the whole process for you pretty much after you said a couple variables So, uh Yeah, good. Sure. Oh, sorry. Sorry jamie. Yeah, one of the things that I love about this group is that we're all lab enthusiasts But we're all running in different types of environments So so there is there is somebody in this working group that is running on Just about any platform that you can imagine So i'd say if if you have installation questions Join us in a working group meeting Uh, if we can't answer it We might ask you to figure it out and document it for us, but um Most of us have have written tutorials and how-to guides and things of that nature That that is jamie mentioned. We're collecting together so so that folks can can go find Uh An instructional for installing that is beyond the the documentation you find online And I I would just put a pitch in our next okd working group is um next tuesday at 1700 UTC And it's open to everybody and if you go to okd.io You can find the guides in the nav bar and you can also find the information to navigate to all the repos Latest release and everything else And hopefully find your way to the okd working group forum on google as well. I put that in the chat earlier That is a great place to post Questions as well, and we are really active in the kubernetes slack in the open shift dash dev channel So if you get stumped Go there. There's usually somebody there, but it is i'm going to say community supported. So this is a not a red hat technical support supported thing so And the the good news is it's a really active community and as you can see by all the folks that are here today As well as we've got great great collaboration going on with the fedora coro s folks Because I really do want to emphasize okd runs with Fedora coro s as opposed to rail coro s. So it is a very different. We'd like to say sibling Upstream or sibling stream to okay ocp But we want to emphasize the community aspect of this one And make sure that people are fully aware that all your help and efforts To get support and answers is going to come from the community We are a group of volunteers That's right. Hey one thing I can say with installation is that you can make it as you know easy as you know A 20 or 30 line configuration file to as complex as you want it to be I run ipi so pretty much. I have a set of One configuration file that I can repeat over and over and over again And if I have to change something it's just a small tweak You know jamies is probably a little bit more complicated because of what it does with the hcp and All sorts of other things but it can be easy or can be complex and most cases are going to be in between Yeah, I'm on the other spectrum With with custom ignition files. Yep What else do we have for questions? Well, so speaking of complicated installations One of the people in chat actually wants to know about air gap installations. Do we have a guide for that yet? okay, yeah, actually the Tutorial that I have for a large cluster actually does cover doing an air gap install. It's upi Based jamie. I don't know in vSphere or joseph Have either Sarah talks for air gap installations on also on vSphere Yeah, yeah, so several of us have done have done air gap installs Mimicking, you know a real data center environment where you you don't just allow internet access straight out Okay so Here I take a look at that and if you have follow up questions you can ask them later on Um, the um our our dns sanjay just got back to me. He's basically He's got services that make heavy use of dns And he's looking to not overwhelm core dns In his infrastructure for application dns requests And also maybe get better response times by I guess having pods that are local to each node I'm doing dns and was wondering if anybody has any advice there I related to this since it's a community on chat user stephan actually said That they are using node local dns Um on top of vSphere with their cluster Okay That actually sounds like something some of us would be intrigued about so I would say please join us in a working group meeting if you can because I think several of us would like to experiment with that type of Um scenario That might be a good topic for the discussion group in the in the github now too. Yeah, it might be a good one to be able to put some stuff in Yeah, because I'm I'm sure we we could come up with different models to to achieve that Even you know the dns mask running in a container that's that's locked to nodes. Um is an interesting one Yeah, I guess a lot of it would depend on why it is you want this extra level of dns Right, is it because you really really care about lookup response times or is it because you're modifying the dns all the time? Right, because those are two different use cases The um, okay, so that's a your answer sanjay is please follow up with this On you know the slack channel or in a github issue or something people are interested in it people have different ideas on and and feedback about different ways to do this the um If somebody wants to give seven some links again about how to join those forums Um other questions, uh, there's some brief things. Um, I Actually, here's an important thing also if somebody can post another link somebody wanted a link to the slide deck So if somebody can post that in chat um the All right, here's one of the other questions, um, which anybody can feel really quickly One of the chronic problems with installing um upstream kubernetes using the official kubernetes testing images is that you often find yourself disabling sc linux Um, somebody want to confirm that that is not something that you have to do when you install a locati That is not something that you have to do when you install okd I would say third and fourth that We highly discourage disabling sc linux or your firewall.  Um, one of our uh chat people actually wants to know whether or not there are Packages or installation scripts more likely I for installing it on sent us stream Um, I guess the answer is probably no because we need fedora coralesce. Yeah Uh, if if they mean that they're underlying hypervisor provider is sent off stream um, I just updated my lab environment to sent off stream the Operating system of okd though is fedora coralesce And and we don't we don't support any other operating systems currently other than fedora coralesce running on the master nodes in the compute nodes Yeah, so basically the just to give a little bit of background on that there's a machine configuration operator and different parts of okd that talk directly to the os and and manage the updates um, and uh, they're pretty tied to each other And so there's more documentation on that on our website But um, if you want more nuanced detail on sort of how they're all connected Feel free to to pop into the channels or look over the document Yeah, and currently if i'm wrong, um red hat folks I believe even on the the the subscription based site for ocp. We are moving away from um Supporting non coro s nodes as well. I know we we used to support rent rail nodes for compute nodes But I think we're even getting away from that I still think you can use rail for worker nodes now For seven now. Yeah. Yeah But whether or not that stays I don't know You you can for now, but the for sure the the main the main ones we want for the master node at least we We enforce with that chorus and that's the priority the the one we're putting the most focus on So A couple other things one thing is All of these community things. I just I want to call out We had a question in here another community manager answered it, right? Which is somebody asking is there a way to install okd on poxmox as a virtualization platform Yeah, someone else actually jumped in in the chat and said they've already done that. So Yes, um, it was my first installation doing just that. Yeah Cool. It was my first installation for okd and it works. So pretty good. Also on poxmox Cool. Okay. Um, here's a more uh, technical question, um, which I'm going to read out directly because Which is uh, nils wants to know is the okd ipi process the same as the ocp ipi process They're using okd ipi as a test platform Um to test a migration from upi to ipi installations Um, uh on vSphere, um, and they want to know when they do this in production. Can they use the same process for ocp? Yeah, I've done both So I took my configuration file for uh okd And with a couple of very small tweaks to make sure I was pointing at the ocp stuff work like a charm Okay, I think you can even use the same. Well, I don't know I used I used the the ocp installer and the okd installer I'm not sure if you can switch those out and have them installed, but the process itself is the same In my experience Okay, the um Which point are you looking at? Well, actually some of it, um, I'm going to rephrase this because it's you know, um Go for it. I don't want to trash talk anybody, but the um, one of the things is so one of the questions right is would okd effectively Be comparable to rancher in terms of of when somebody is looking at use cases Hmm, I will admit I haven't used rancher I think I think uh open shift is or okd is more opinionated Than rancher, but you at rancher you have to take care about more things So it's always a trade-off Yeah, rancher has a you can You you can install anything you want on open shift or okd You can install anything you want on both But um in a opinionated Distribution you have to take care about less stuff Yeah, somebody mentioned The amount of Resources needed to run okd. I think that once we get to that single node okd For people use You know, you'll find testing wise will be able to do a lot more for a straight install of okd You know, even for testing It's still fairly beefy. You have to have fairly beefy nodes So that's one of the things you have to keep in mind with whatever distribution you decided to use is Do you have the utilization or the resources, you know to be able to run it? Yeah, the the trade-off there is that you know that all of the automation and self healing that comes with okd right that does require compute and and so So okd is uh a bit fatter from its resource requirements than you know a plain Vanilla kubernetes or or another container supporting platform But the the the trade-off is a self managing environment that that really gives you a cloud native experience in my opinion Absolutely, which is one of the reasons why we chose it. I don't have time to manage, you know every five minutes, you know the the cluster Um, I can turn over a lot of stuff to my developers They get a lot of authority to do things within their projects and I don't have to manage it. They can manage it themselves That's one of the things I just love about open shift and you know okd Don't forget the web ui Yeah, I would echo that. I think that you know from the dev ops perspective that's sort of okd and open shift provide uh that sort of Middle layer that's really good if you look at some of the other container orchestration options out there they involve a lot of glue scripts and Stuff that you have to bring to the table and I think okd provides a lot of that And makes it very easy for developers to sort of slide in to the role of Of a container developer and dev ops. So it's really good. I think for that transition Of getting developers into dev ops And for sysadmending it. Yeah for sure. Yeah, and with the maturity now of projects like rook sef and cube vert You know, which which also have productized Versions that you know that you can get subscription support for I mean my goodness you you have a full hyper converged cloud native environment that That can replace most of what you find in a data center I'm a bit of a fan Um strong a strong point we have with okd is that so that's my federal chris hat on That we test the full os the full everything that comes with the os with everything in the okd platform So what you get is when you update from one version to another of okd You get the platform which has been fully tested and to end The os and everything on top of it and you'll practically show that everything works together Which is like something that only happens in okd in ocp platforms Cool And as long as you're in muted timothy, uh, there is actually a question specifically to you somebody is actually looking for A primer on how rpml history works Sure, so rpml history it's is um the company the main component of uh federal chris node and that helps us manage versions of the node so When you update your okd cluster you update all the components of the kubernetes components And you also update the nodes at the same time And to do that you use rpml history and what it does is essentially rpml history is A git way to manage your operating system So you move from one version of the other of your federal chris node And you you just pull a new image and and you essentially reboot to it To update and so that has a lot of advantage advantages So that the first one is that we actually test all of those images We have several streams in federal chris and we make sure that they work And then the second one is that every single update you do on your system is atomic And it just either happen or does not happen at all So you just to date into the new version and that's it you're done So you've got progressive rolling updates on your cluster to make sure that you're always up to date With the latest version of the nodes cool, um Speaking of latest versions Uh somebody wants to deploy an okd cluster using Reddit using advanced cluster manager Now we we just had The ocm office hour an hour ago. So I actually know something about this now, but Does anybody anybody have firsthand knowledge? Not yet I I will say to stay tuned Unless some of you guys have have used it a bit because I do now have Two clusters running in my lab that I'm going to put a cm in front of But I haven't gotten there yet. So in a few more weeks, I'll have an opinion And I think a cm is also one of the operators that will be available also for okd Soon say it's a promise to make it available for okd ACM or ocm ocm is the upstream Yeah, I don't know. I just how it will be called but yes, it's upstream. Yeah, okay ocm is the upstream project of acm for those of you You don't know and it's we're open sourcing all of that and you can find it What I think this is a great topic for in maybe a future office hour to demo this bit because um, the folks from one team Have been reaching out to the okd teams And uh, would like some airtime too. So I think there's going to be a nice bit of collaboration there Yeah, we might we might wait on that until a hundred percent of it is working though Minor detail Yeah One of the things I would say The benefit of the okd working group is we are on the bleeding edge Test all of this stuff for people. So if you have a new project or a new operator and you want it tested Come to the okd working group because we we love being guinea pigs Maybe not for some of your production environments guys, but um, I know that's one of the things That's really useful the upstream open source side of Open ship is to get stuff tested over by the okd working group And we do bleed on occasion And to test experimental stuff like somebody actually wants to know suggestions for edge load balancers Um that people are using with okd I'm going to be quiet, but I can't um, there is um a whole sig around edge and working groups Um reach out on the okd Forum um in the google group and post that question and we will find the person who has the answer to that I don't think anybody here has really done that but we have talked about edgy stuff Edge related stuff and arm as well as arm stuff in the okd working group. So there are people who are Covering those topics Just not here today Okay, I know there's quite a few folks using like metal lb Yeah Yeah, um, which is still a relatively new project And and one of those things we should be doing more sessions about So people know how to use I don't know how to use it. I'd like to do a session for that reason Um, let's see a few things. Um, somebody's actually looking for best practices information Uh, particularly when installing on bare metal In terms of what they need and how to configure it So if you go to Go ahead. No, go ahead. Jamie Yeah, so there's so uh best practices. I think can probably be construed from the guides that we have Um, and the documentation we've actually tried to do although there's a lot of variety in upi Uh, and in bare metal in general, uh The guides actually have a Some good Practices outlined that basically you could determine best practices from those um, so we probably need a little more Uh discussion with that person to get a sense of their environment if they popped into the channel or something like that But you know, um, the guides are a good place to start. Yeah One of the things that I think to pay attention to Is the recommendations for memory and cpu on on your services Um, some people will try to run less Sometimes it'll work sometimes it won't Those are probably Uh, the best way to start is you know, is with those as your minimum requirement Once you get a cluster working you want to try something else, you know, go ahead But you know start with with the minimum requirements and go from there Yeah, that and avoid spinning discs for your master nudes. Yes At cd Like disc latency No, like there's there's a whole article that uh talks about that ibm put out I'll grab a link to it real quick, but that's a very salient point Oh, come on. I used to run a demo with at cd running off of five usb keys You could do two maybe even three writes a minute Yeah Yeah, your cluster is going to be just fine. Yeah Is that on your ck modem? Yep. Yeah. Yeah Hey, listen, um, one of the areas I used to consult was actually, you know Department of energy power generation, etc Um, and the onboard computers they have on power equipment Uh, all of these are actually real hard work constraints. Unfortunately The but we have questions from the audience actually on specific features. They're features that like they know from ocp and the supported versions They want to know what the equivalents are on okd One of them is Container native virtualization Um, so the the openshift virtualization feature and the other one is service mesh um So what do those look like on okd? Service mesh, I believe the operator is in operator hub now for service mesh Really? Okay, I think I'm looking I'm looking real fast to see if um Because last time I installed both service mesh and kubbert. I did it with the upstream operators Um, I know they're on our wish list Okay, so kubbert would be the cnv equivalent Yeah, yeah kubbert is the is the container native virtualization upstream And for service mesh you have a lot of different possibilities, but I mean, I'm doing the up the uh upstream of istio not the operator from operator hub, but I mean, they're good. I mean they work Yeah, my stress service mesh that uh, it's the it's community provided operator It's a community supported operator provided by red hat that that is in the operator hub for 4.7. I just confirmed So, okay My my stress service mesh Yeah, um, and so Uh, so people know some terminology. We know a lot of names here So one of the things that we do at red hat is we try to give the open source community Supported version a different name from the red hat subscription version so that people don't get confused um, and so For open shift service mesh that name is maestro, which is istio Plus the management tools and ui and stuff that we've developed to make istio easier to use I'm not sure that that keeps it less confusing or not, but um It does keep them separate in terms of support Availability, so I think that's really the key here. I yeah, I tend to think it just makes everything so confusing and we do have a catalog for operators for For okd. So if you go into the repo and Follow the links there you can find that and we're working on getting making sure we have equivalency with ocp And that they're all tested By the community. So that's that's one thing and the thing that I would say is we also Are really looking for a community participation in updating our docs So if you're looking at our guides or at docs.okd.io and you find something that's out of whack or not quite clear enough Login issue. We definitely will take any even grammar checking Helps us and and we really have had a great swell of testers from on all kinds of implementations and deployments of Of okd and it's really helped a lot driving innovation and getting ocp and the The product itself very stable. So it's really the engineers at red hat have been incredibly supportive of the okd community And you know shout out to fedeem and christian and you know timothy and other folks who have really You know a lot of their spare time Weekends and others getting releases out and helping the community move things forward So we're incredibly grateful for that support too, but this is really a very community driven effort And uh, it's you know any and all feedback and if you have some strange interesting contortion A stack that you want to write a guide about or if you have an alternative to one of the routers We've been using or a different way of doing dns just Hit us up In the the working group forum on google or in the kubernetes slack on openshift.dev We're all hanging out there most of the time and we're pretty global In our coverage.  So Speaking to community support. So we have a highly technical question in the Streaming chat. I don't know if any of you guys are actually logged into the streaming chat If not, we might want to recommend that he actually take that somewhere else because this is this is not something I even read aloud. It has network errors and stuff in it The yeah, I and and definitely looks like an occasion for community troubleshoot I would say if the person could take that to the channel or the email list that we have the the kubernetes net he's based a Slack channel that we have Open shift dev on the kubernetes slack server Or our email list either one of those then we can Take a look at it for sure Yeah, yeah, we try to avoid doing troubleshooting At that level during office hours because sometimes that means bouncing around documentation and Things like that, but we're happy to help for sure um More feature questions. Um I is there a way to do windows containers um with okd those container support I I think so Yeah, I thought that I thought that started with four seven That was the wrong In the okd working group, I haven't seen anyone's head pop up saying it but it is compatible with what's available to do in an ocp So Theoretically it should just work along with the same lines as the ocp documentation on it Yeah, I don't know if it's supported with upi, but it should be supported on ipi installations Yeah, the the the operator is available in the operator hub It's called the community's window machine config operator to to enable windows container workloads I haven't tried it yet Uh, but I can't confirm that the operator is there give it a shot and let us know I'll have to find a windows workload or try to run right So that's the thing is that netcode for me when we get questions like this Where maybe none of us currently in the group have experienced with and this isn't everyone in the working group Um, but if we don't have experience if there is a someone out there in the world who's asking us If you could try it if and and let us know how it goes That would be awesome because then we can write up some documentation We could point to your use case, uh, etc. So feel free to join us and and help us, uh, hash out the details of that cube word It's much more suited. I think we also get these questions about windows container all the time and I always recommend cube word because cube word. I think is yeah, it's a vm running in In your kubernetes cluster and you can run any windows version you you like and I think it's more capable for migrations scenarios at least Than windows containers because you can't can't pack anything in windows containers Yeah, one of the things I've really wondered about windows containers is where people getting images from right As obviously you can't use a linux container image to create a windows container No, we talk different ones. Sure You have to build some on yo Yeah Does code ready workspaces work on okd or is there an upstream operator version? Uh, yes, it's uh eclipse che that there is and there is an operator. Um for for eclipse che cool So yeah, it's not exactly code ready workspaces, but it's the upstream of code ready workspaces eclipse che. Yeah yeah Yeah, we also have support for uh, okd based, uh, code ready containers like single node development versions of of okd awesome Did we get all the questions? Yeah Looking back. Let's see It's not um one one of the things I want to say is as as someone who's been Playing with since the early days of origin in okd. I am really grateful to all the folks who are on this call And all the other folks in the okd working group That are community members who have come and given their feedback over the years and really encourage everybody Since it's open source. We don't know that you're out there. It's not dated We have no clue who you are So if you raise up your hand and and and join the okd working group, um, we'd love to have you there Um and ask your questions again in the kubernetes slack. Um in openshift dash dev And this has been one of the most wonderful and rewarding groups of people to work with over the past few years it's really grown exponentially um and you know The feedback we've gotten and the testing and the deployment Marathon we did a year ago and then another okd Testing and deployment workshop. We're all community driven. If you go to open shifts YouTube channel, which is I think youtube.com Open shift all right open shift. There's a whole playlist of videos of people walking through deployments for okd And they're really great and the guides are a great supplement to those and we really are looking for You know, I keep saying it other permutations of how you want to deploy okd and that and Just stretching the edges of where Open shift lives and breeze out there. So please do join us. Um, we're really One of the most receptive and effective groups of folks and there's no Silly questions only silly walks Um Never walk alone walk with the arc you do okd working group nice Later a minister yet though for the silly walks Okay So that could be you new contributor roles available. Yeah I can anyone else have any other closing thoughts for this session Let's officer session Just wanted to say thanks for having us on here. Thanks chris Thanks josh, and this has been um, it's always great to be able to tell people what we're working on and to bring more people into the fold So very much appreciated Well, thank you for coming on we really thanks everybody and thanks for all the questions Um, hopefully we answered them for you and if not you can follow up in the community Bye everybody. Thank you very much.


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