There we go. So I'm going to be talking about successes and failures of visualization on the Obama campaign and I'll start at the beginning of my story here the first I heard that there was a technology team for the Obama campaign was one my friend Chris Ganson said hey, I'm going to be working on the technology team for the Obama campaign and immediately my first reaction was wow, that's awesome. Congratulations. My second reaction was there's a technology team for the Obama campaign and he said yeah, you should move out to Chicago and join us and he was probably kidding, but things happen quickly and my wife Brady and I moved out to Chicago several weeks after that That was September 2011 Which meant among other things that I got to work for this guy With these people this is this is the technology team along with support and DevOps So this is actually a small portion of the the entire campaign staff And I got to work in this place, which was a total madhouse at the peak. There were about 650 people working in this office. This is downtown Chicago. So that's that's a small fraction right there But we were all kind of packed in Side by side but still room for secondary monitors, which is nice And I was really excited because I got to show up with this title of visualization engineer Said oh, this is gonna be great. There's so many opportunities for visualization and Sure enough after you know, they got me started on some slightly less exciting projects I think to make sure that I could actually write some code Then I got this product requirements document for catfish campaign dashboard version one It's like oh, this is gonna be great You know we're gonna make this integrated dashboard and show all this data from all these different things people are obviously caring about a lot of different types of information and And so started working on this with all the latest and greatest tools you know Twitter bootstrap had just come out a couple of months earlier And we're using D3 for visualizations and setting up this neat structure for doing all the back-end processing We were pulling in, you know Twitter followers all the way it through to Data that was a little bit more relevant to everyday campaign operations and so this was super exciting It was described to me as perhaps the most important project on the campaign And then we killed it And So as this animates and you all get hypnotized. I'll describe this a little bit more So of course at first it was disappointing, right? It's like oh, but this was the big visualization project, right? This was the big thing and and I think there were a couple reasons it got shut down and and one of them I think it was really about like what are we building for whom and why does it matter to them right now? And the reality was the people who were in charge of watching the number of Twitter followers They already had a way to see that You know people who are watching the budget or figuring out, you know, what our strategies were going to be in different states They already had their own tools Right and and just saying yeah, we're going to make an integrated dashboard and show everything wasn't actually solving anybody's problem and I think it relates really nicely to what Amanda Cox was talking about yesterday of like what kind of wow Do you want and and for a lot of circumstances? Wow on its own doesn't really get you very far, you know the election obviously is this extremely constrained environment in terms of time and money and everything else and I think pretty much the only kind of wow you can get away with is wow this makes my job easier and more fluid and Hopefully if you get far enough Actually feels different it less like busy work and more of you know what I'm doing So I think that's where where catfish failed. It didn't fit any of those needs really The other reason I got pulled off that project is we had to put more work into our campaign secret weapon question mark and So I switched teams and I joined a slightly larger team working on what was codenamed wire What later became known extremely confusingly as a dashboard So here's some early wireframes. We had for that Few more iterations towards the end it ended up looking like this which actually sort of starts to look like a dashboard again So I'll talk a little bit about the team and the process we had This was towards the end We were trying some different experiments with how to prioritize features and how to have a little more visibility within the campaign but we had a team of a Kind of a varying number of engineers and designers But at its biggest the team was maybe 10 people or so and We had we had daily stand-ups. We were shipping code weekly with some exceptions, but not too many and Luckily, there were still opportunities for visualization. So First actually, let me talk a little bit more about what dashboard really was it's it was described as the online field office So in 2008 there were a lot of you know, social media pieces to the 2008 campaign and Excuse me and there was a really strong field structure, but they were pretty separate entities Right one wasn't really a channel feeding the other and so one of the big things for 2012 is we wanted those to be integrated You should be able to come to Barack Obama comm and say yes I want to volunteer and and be part of that field structure by joining that online So dashboard was really our attempt to do that So early on when this was getting going we wanted some way to show. Yeah, there's there's activity on these teams, right? it's not just a list of teams in states and things and So one of our designers Taylor Lacroix put together some designs for saying okay Well, if we just want to show the stuff that's already happening in dashboard like comments and things Let's have a fun little interactive graphic that we can put on the team page and show something So we ended up with this so this is showing Messages and status updates and things like that over the last seven days So if you hover over one of those sections, it'll give you the number for that day and you can kind of see oh, yeah there's there's stuff happening here and just to talk about the technology a little bit for this we used D3 for the visualization and Actually me so data set for the data side and this this helped a lot For the fallback case so some of you may know D3 doesn't like loading and older browsers whether or not you want to use it for rendering So with data set we were able to split that out and admittedly the processing is not very complicated here on the data side We're calculating percent change between two numbers, but In older browsers, we had essentially exactly the same layout But without the arcs and that worked pretty well Kind of a simple way to do that So this was fun We really proud about proud of it and you know I got to use D3 which was neat And we we built this thing over the course of a couple of days and then we killed it so There are a couple reasons for this one too one is that dashboard was still really early on in its history and a lot of These teams actually didn't have activity so you go to the page and you see zero zero zero So you know that was sort of a problem The other thing that was happening though is that there was activity starting to happen that was more important So these are the things you might more closely associate with a with a campaign, right? It's really it's about call attempts It's about contacting volunteers. It's about how many voters have we registered, right? This is really the heart of the field operation and More than just the numbers coming back There are also goals set for all of these things you may have heard that the campaign was a very metrics oriented place And that was true in a lot of ways. This was one of them Okay, so now we've got a new challenge. This will be good and So this is actually a little bit tricky. This is not what the interface ended up looking like This is a really early sketch, but if you think about this problem, it's a little bit complicated because you have you might say okay, we want to make this many calls in California or in Nevada say and We want to do that over the month So you've got to break it down week by week what our goals and then you have to break it down through the field Hierarchy because you've got the state and then you've got regions all the way down to neighborhood teams So it's actually kind of a difficult thing to plan exactly And then at the high level you want to be able to see how you're doing, you know, how's your state doing? How's your team doing? So we started sketching out a lot of stuff in D3, you know, tree map seemed like a good idea, right? You can show the hierarchy and the values You know playing around with sizing that in different ways Tried some fun stuff with radio layouts But eventually you decided to focus on this idea of how do you plan? how do you set these goals and Start thinking of it this way where you have your overall goal and then you have a path to get there And then this has this nice property where you can overlay the actual numbers as they're coming back and compare that to your plan And so this isn't quite the final interface. I unfortunately don't have a screenshot of its end state But it's pretty close So here you can see there are these high-level goals up top and Then you have the the rising line that shows you how you're doing and is you know Determining how you want this curve to look The teams might be growing or you know, there are things like that that affect that it's not strictly a linear thing And then on the left it's balancing those goals across the teams within your state or within your region and It's coloring by how close they are to their goal So you could drag these things around or you could type in the numbers And once you're done with that you can see at the bottom it generates this whole table Right it does all the math and figures it all out and there are all your goals It you know for all the teams and then you can hand this down to the next level and they do their planning We're pretty excited about this we were getting some really positive feedback surprisingly positive feedback maybe even and So then we we deployed it people started using it and Then we killed it and this one was actually a little more subtle and it started We started finding out about this through bug reports or feature requests, right? So people are using it everyone's like yeah, it's great. It's a really cool demo And then we got it a feature request that said oh, hey, could you change it so that you could you know more carefully drag that dot? It's like well It's kind of a funny request because if you're dealing at the state level like what's the difference between?  And if you're at the team level you're talking about small enough numbers that you have finally fine enough control And so it kind of went back and forth and back and forth and it turned out that Whichever state this was they already had a spreadsheet doing the calculations and all they needed to do was enter the numbers So we had designed the worst possible text entry tool effectively So even though it demoed very well, and it matched conceptually what they were doing it didn't match their existing workflow and We saw that in a bunch of different places and in different ways because the different teams had different histories They'd built different custom tools So there was really a widespread of what what people's workflows were and what they were bringing to this So I'm going to take a slight detour and talk about some of the other visualizations that were used that we didn't make Well, okay, this one we made but this was pretty simple Simple countdown this was on screens all the time just to remind us how little time we had left down to the second This was posted in the lobby It started with just the countdown and the numbers and then Maybe at 40 days out and they added the sprint then lean as if you could sprint for 40 days, right? Although incidentally we did work 40 days straight for those last 40 days I'm sure plenty of people watch this during that whole cycle. That was a particularly nervous moment for us But you know we started pulling back out of that gap out of that trough But eventually I saw this tweet from Nate Silver and thought you know, maybe we shouldn't be paying too much attention to these But there are plenty of things we did pay attention to we used chart bead and a new relic and other tools like that that gave us some visibility and Every so often we'd see one of these spikes and you might wonder well What creates a spike like that and this is just on gotta register calm This is like a very specific voter registration page. This wasn't the main site or anything And that happened when Barack Obama did an AMA on reddit And of course everything turns into a fundraising opportunity, so we also had this page Here's another one of those this actually is for dashboard and we'd hit, you know, almost 6,000 concurrent visits You might wonder what causes that to happen That's when the president does a live video streamed through your website But I think more interesting than those visualizations in those metrics is the fact that these started showing up in our conversations We had a campfire chat room For the whole tech team and you know discuss all kinds of things post in your favorite images from the internet Where all most of these things are taken from in my presentation But you see these things like this where you know, you've got the visualization is just a screenshot and it becomes part of this dialogue Including things with a little more detail, you know showing stats d and graphite graphs This is one of my favorites just because it's lazy universe hydration vis which actually means something real I won't go into it in too much detail, but One thing that's neat is You really know that that visualizations are becoming part of the conversation and part of the lexicon when you start seeing stuff like this As you might suspect that was photoshopped But if developers and designers are making jokes with visualization You can pretty much guarantee that it is part of the language and part of just the mode of discussion So here's just a shot of some of the the new relic graphs we were looking at for performance monitoring And that became a big part of the whole of our whole dev ops workflow and monitoring Much like what abe was talking about in fact using some of the same tools We had a really great dev ops team And you know, we love dev ops because they deploy our tags But we love dev ops even more when they show up with screens like this So this is using cubism. It's an open source project Built by square it uses d3 for rendering If you guys haven't seen this particular technique, these are horizon plots And it's a really neat way of dealing with With graphs where you need essentially a lot of dynamic range, you know, normally if you think of doing a line graph Or something like that you need room for your highest value always And if you have things that are, you know, usually down here and then jump up If you change that scale now you can't see this variation anymore, right? So this is a technique of essentially wrapping those around So the darker color Means that it's exceeded the scale and come up to the bottom again So you basically preserve dynamic range and you can have these things that are only a few pixels high And of course once you've got that you can stack a bunch of them together So dev ops use this view to look at correlation, right? They'd see they some alert would go off or someone would complain about something not working and they could pop this open and see Okay, which of our systems are are having this problem and it helped them get to the root cause So I don't know if you've seen this but this is the wind map by martin waddenberg and fernand viegas And I wouldn't say that we use this for everyday monitoring per se But this actually was a an interesting moment for us is uh That was during hurricane sandy And there were there were plenty of things that happened in that it was obviously a terrible event But one of the first things on our mind was That's awfully close to amazon's east data center And we were running everything on amazon Just to give you a sense of the size of our infrastructure This is what we had running in east Now zoom in a little bit so you can see part of what's going on here every one of those tiny little boxes is a node is an ec2 machine So that was in east there's a whole separate story about the two-day scramble to get Part of that replicated in west just in case something happened with amazon But it did work in the end So back to some of the tools I was working on After working on dashboard for a while, uh, I got added to the voter protection team And there were a couple of tools that we built for that So obama prepping thousands of lawyers for election. You might wonder what that means exactly We didn't have thousands of people filing lawsuits But we did have thousands of volunteer attorneys going to observe polling places And it turns out that's a pretty massive thing to coordinate, you know in previous cycles That was done basically with printouts of excel spreadsheets and a lot of phone calls But this time around we wanted something More structured and and easier to use So there were two pieces there was the volunteer assignment tool which I'll show just briefly It doesn't have too much visualization in it, but It's got a little bit and some I think some nice little touches So you pick which state you care about and then you get to this page which shows you You know per county you get to go in and drill down and say, okay here are the polling places We want to cover here are the volunteers who've signed up and how do we match them up? And there were some filtering tools to do things like find out if someone if someone spoke Spoke a particular language we could assign them to a particular location and that type of thing And then up on the right they're all gray in this view But there's a little bar under each of the dates and that would go from A scale of gray to green depending on what percentage of our target places were assigned So you get that kind of at a glance You could also look at some tables of you know how the assignment was going And then here was the thing that again wasn't visualization per se But I think helped create a more direct tool So once you assign all these people you have to email them and tell them where they're going when And so this is a little interface I built where You can check the people you want to send it to and it'll automatically pull up their schedule information But then you also have this text box right in the middle of it That just has whatever personal note you want to send, you know, hey team We're going to meet up at, you know, 6 a.m. And you know, whatever you want to say And then it would send that out to everybody So that's the assignment side Then we have the incident tracking side, you know, how do we actually record things that happen? And we we built this on top of Ushahidi, which is an open source platform that was developed following the The violence after the 2008 elections in Kenya And they've been doing really amazing work with this tool and it's been used in a lot of cases And out of the box it looks something like this And we ended up customizing it for the election And at the end it looked more like this so We still have the map obviously and then on the right we've got these different filters or the different Just a bar chart of the incidents that are coming in from various counties So you can see like, you know Where really are the problem areas and then if you mouse over those it'll show you what type of what type of incident it was Then up top we've got a bunch of filters So you could look at a particular state You could look at all the categories some of the categories you could pick your time range, you know today all time last hour And then the statuses so as these were dealt with, you know, they'd be they'd essentially be marked as closed And this actually fit the structure really well because we had a national boiler room We had state boiler rooms and we had local boiler rooms. So people were really Everyone like had their job of the thing they were looking for and the type of thing they were trying to handle So you can see this drilled into florida You can get some details there Then you'll see there are these tabs up top for the overview and incidents And if you if you click the incidents list now you get the text of all of these And both of these views were refreshing on a 10 second interval. So people who just had this up all day long Actually more than all day long. I should point out that this tool launched before early vote started And so that was I think the end of october in iowa and then states coming in through then So this was not by any means a one day shot So then the people at the polling places could submit the incidents This is you know pretty straightforward choose the categories whatever Um also worked pretty nicely on the phone And then we had people manning phone lines as well So anybody in the country could call the 800 number and say hey, we've got this problem or these lines are really long People are giving out false information that type of thing And there are a lot of metrics for for success. Um, some of them you can graph and stats d But i'm i'm now particularly fond of this metric And I think part of the reason the design worked as as well as it did is because The team that I was working with on the voter protection side had a lot of experience doing this work You know dashboard was was a really big project and it was really the first of its kind But for this area, we had people come in saying We've done this, you know seven times at different levels. We've worked in different roles And we basically know what we want And it still wasn't the case of oh, here's the feature. Let's go build it But there was a much, you know, we had experience in the room of what it worked and what hadn't and what the pain points had been And that helped a lot I know i've trained you that after, you know, the rave review I say we killed it, but this one we ran So then it kind of came down to it time to actually go vote This is the collection of things I had hanging around my neck in the last few days Boiler room level one sounds really amazing. That's actually the lowest level of access Secret I was just up there because the big shot lawyers were in that room also and if something went wrong They needed to run down the hall and find me Now you might think that you know, we stopped shipping code Pretty close to the election But uh on november 1st, we still had 32 deploys from the day before and then on the third 41 deploys So things were still flying around furiously Election day for us was really three days So we started working on shifts on that saturday That's the countdown when I walked in at 4 30 a.m on that saturday Went in and saw this sign up in the boiler room Watched the sunrise over the lake Poked my head around the The you know level three or four or whatever it was room before anyone showed up They did eventually turn the lights on So you all know the saying it's it's not over till the fat lady sings I think there's a little known corollary that says It's it's not almost over until eric schmidt sends you a fruit basket So then we knew we were really close So what was actually going on in these final days? We had call tool running so call tool was the thing that our team worked on to facilitate voters calling other voters You know about different issues saying are you registered that kind of thing? On election day, we facilitated over a million calls If we were watching on this dashboard Go call tool So I don't know how much you guys were following the the press around the technology You know either for our campaign or the romney campaign But you may have heard about this The romney campaign had a tool they called orca It wasn't really equivalent to any any of the stuff that we had and Fulfilled a slightly different role I think their biggest mistake is that they intentionally named it so So they called it orca, right Our our sort of secret You know data service was called narwhal And someone from their campaign on television said that they called it orca because that was the only known predator of the narwhal So hubris beware, right So we started hearing this news on election day during during the afternoon and all these tweets were flying around And I won't lie. There were people in in headquarters who thought it was pretty hilarious But there were other things happening at headquarters Thanks to an excellent dev ops team and all our monitoring we saw that yeah, we were taking all these incidents But we were also running out of headroom on our database cpu And because we had professionals watching that they came to me a couple hours before it would die and said hey You've got two hours If you don't fix this we're going to have to swap it out, but we can't swap it out live We'd have to stop it and bring it back up Which was not something we were excited about telling anybody So we were scrambling a little bit and weren't focusing too much on orca But not wanting to be the next headline, right? It would just be a matter of minutes for that Luckily by looking at new relic and by talking to smart people and people who were keeping us from freaking out We were able to fix it. You can see that line right there is the deploy we made At 230 And looking in a little bit you can see all this dieback down everything goes back to normal It turns out we had one extremely inefficient database query that we weren't even using it was just kind of still sitting there We were able to excise that and everything was fine But if if we hadn't been watching it as carefully as we were the thing just would have died Without us, you know knowing ahead of time or or having a chance to fix it So you might wonder what it was like up in the boiler room when the election was called That went on a little longer, but that's as long as the videos that I got We went to the election night party Everyone loves confetti Or whatever crazy stuff that is Brady and me at the party Shirts by baltimore print studios quality establishment And so after that night You know, we eventually went to sleep having been up for a very long time And we wandered back into the office. It's kind of like well now what do we do? I guess we pack up our stuff and go home And we got an email that said you probably want to be at the office around 130 Okay, cool. I wonder what that's about and the president stopped by And gave a speech there's actually video of most of it online You can find it if you like but I recorded a little bit of it just the audio on my phone And this is part of it And the results I felt that the work that I had done In one extra office It came full circle Because you guys At this point Means that the work that I'm doing Is important I'm really proud of that I'm really proud of that And then earlier in that speech He said that he wanted to save time to walk around And shake everybody's hand He actually went around and Hugged everybody Which took a really long time There were still hundreds of people in the office And that was just a really unexpected thing None of us were prepared for that It was an incredibly emotional day On top of an emotional day So then we did go back to packing up our office And I had borrowed a copy of Of the audacity to win And it was sitting on my desk And while I turned around And put a sticky on it Then we all went home Thank you The question was what happens to that To all the tools So earlier on there was a thought That some of the code would end up with the DNC It turns out the DNC They do have a technology staff But it's not at a huge scale And this was the first time that there was ever An in-house technology team As part of a campaign So what's actually happened There's a new OFA organization So Obama for America is now It's a totally new thing But it's called Organizing for Action And they currently have all the code And so they're taking these tools And applying some of them to causes Instead of campaigns So right now climate change is one of the big ones They're tackling at the moment Gun violence has been a huge deal So not everything has been repurposed But they own those assets right now And they're bringing some of them back And that's what they're going to use Any other questions? Yeah Yeah, they didn't submit a talk That's it Alright, thanks very much


Very happy to introduce the next speaker is Monty Taylor. He's a distinguished technologist He's a member of our board of directors and he's on the technical committee. So he's a very busy man It doesn't get a lot of sleep. So I'm glad he's willing to come up here and tell us what's on his mind So come on up Monty They doing sir Good to see you Hello, hello. Thanks for coming out. Thanks everybody. It's really exciting to be here in Hong Kong First time we've been out in Asia as I'm sure you all know and it's really exciting to see everybody's everybody's shining happy faces Hope you all are enjoying the keynote so far this morning I'm going to talk to you a little bit about open stack and hybrid cloud Unfortunately for me, it seems like everybody's already been talking about open stack and hybrid cloud So there might not be as much new information Here as I originally wanted there to be or maybe that actually sets me up into a good position Where you might actually believe the things I'm telling you so first of all Why am I talking to you as? As Mark said, I'm a distinguished technologist at Hewlett Packard I sit on the technical committee and the opensack board of directors So thank you all of you out there who voted for me. It definitely gave me more things to do with my copious free time And it's been a it's been a joy But the reason that I probably got elected to those things has more to do with what we do inside of open stack Started and I'm currently a core member on the open stack infrastructure team for those of you don't know about that That's the team that works inside of the open stack community to run all of our continuous integration and developer automation So any of you who have submitted a patch to open stack and gone through the process of getting code review and getting your patch tested That's on that's on our team You can you can totally come and join and help us out with that by the way I also the mark just gave me a fantastic intro in terms of the triple-o work which is basically work shared by a team that I manage at HP and And then the fine folks at rack space that are there with mark And and in addition to all of that as if that wasn't enough things for me to be doing HP apparently lets me talk to customers This for those of you who know me might sound like a terrifying proposition to put me in front of a customer But it turns out That it's really helpful Because it's it's really good to get feedback about what customers want It's really good to get feedback about about why they why they're interested in open stack And so I'm gonna talk to you a little bit about about what I'm hearing from them What they're telling me sort of where I think we're at on that and then possibly Some things that we as a community need to do to to address some of those concerns First of all and as you've been hearing I was gonna say all week, but it's day two So I'm not sure we can classify that as a week yet But but hybrid cloud is here. It's now it's happening. It's not just a pipe dream There's there's I've been hearing people talking about it being You know being a goal. Is it possible? Can we do it? It's it's really here It's really it's it's really here now and the customers really want it. They want it for a few reasons First of all, they they want open, right? They they're talking to us about open sack because they they want things to be open and they want they want open In large part because what they don't want is they don't want vendor lock-in I have talked to absolutely zero customers who have walked up to me and said I really want is if you guys could Build something that would lock me into a platform and keep me there Prisoner I'd really I really want that as a feature. Nobody says that absolutely zero people have ever said that sentence other than me just now But they they don't want vendor lock-in and one of the reasons they don't want vendor lock-in Or part of that is they want interoperability and interoperability is a thing that we we talk about There's also people in our community who think that it's a it's a fool's errand But it's actually really important for for some really specific technical reasons if you're gonna run Your application in the cloud because after all this cloud thing isn't all that interesting by itself It's just a way to get some compute resources, right?  It was just their cloud provider. I'm really gonna blame them What they're gonna say is wow, I can't watch TV right now And they're not really gonna like that So what you want to do as an application provider as an application Developer as somebody who's going to run your business on top of the cloud is you want to have choices You want to have the freedom to be able to design and run your application in a way that's going to serve your customers, right? You don't want to be telling somebody, you know You don't want to be tweeting that you know your service is out because there was an issue in some sort of thing You want to you want to have the freedom to actually be able to to affect The the life cycle of your application yourself and for this reason open stack is actually seems like a pretty good answer to To our to our customers to the people that we talked to they're pretty excited about this because Similar to the are going back to the the mission statement that that mark just put up on the screen It's it's our mission to produce the ubiquitous cloud computing platform for public and private clouds Right and this means that you can actually develop your application to take advantage of all of these features And we can also have multiple private cloud or multiple public cloud providers Providing a place that your application can run on So that's great like that's that's the theory that they're they're telling me that and they're like hey This is this is exciting. We're thrilled We can we can make you know applications and they'll they'll run for forever and we'll make all the money in the world And that's that's fantastic. They have a few questions. I mean They wouldn't be bringing me in if they didn't want to ask Ask me about a couple of things So these fall into a couple categories and to talk about them and then we'll come back to to sort of what I think our answers are here First of all is I might have just double hit that. No, uh-huh. It worked properly The first question is is are we really open? Is is this is this open part for real or is this just another sort of form of packaging up an elaborate vendor lock-in scheme? There's there's been plenty of of open source things that are out there that aren't that aren't really open So that's that's a concern. They've got They're worried about the maturity. I don't know if any of you noticed that we had our third birthday recently but That's not that's not the longest amount of time for a piece of of world-class software to event in existence So so they've got questions about that they want to know they want to know things about that They want to know about security Especially given various things that have been in the news recently People are concerned about about what's going to happen to their to their data's They're worried about the complexity If there are as as I basically just gonna be referring to all of Mark's slides apparently is what I'm gonna be doing As as Mark pointed out we have a lot of pieces to this to this puzzle it it turns out It's kind of complicated to run a cloud So they're a little bit worried about that. They'd like to know some answers there And and and finally they're sort of interested in this upgrade story, right? Like so you go and you install 20 data centers worth of I make gosh 20 data centers That's pretty exciting But you install 20 data centers worth of cloud and then we make a release another release in six months Are they gonna turn their cloud off and install a new 20 data? Turns with a cloud and then turn it back on that probably wouldn't be a very good user experience for anybody using those clouds so that they sort of want to know some some answers what we're gonna do what we're gonna do there and So to sort of address all of these things to To to think about answers to to those questions for them It it comes back to us it comes back up to us as as the community And so I sort of want to highlight a couple of things that I think are important there But the the key the key initial message that I'd like to get across here Is that this is about what what we need to do is the community? This isn't this isn't about what these other people who are the community need to do for me This is about what what we collectively as the community need to do together And that's one of the things that I think that we have as as again as mark So eloquently put in the in the last presentation This is This is one of the this is one of the most impressive things that we've built We've built a community of over 250 companies and you know over 1600 Developers that that contribute in over 12,000 individual members of our foundation That's that's kind of an insane number of people to be working on this thing And the fact that they collaborate all the time the fact that we collaborate all the time is is Nothing short of of a miracle really if you consider the names of a lot of the companies that are up on on the slides when we Show them And the fact that they come together every day The fact that we all fly to various different cities every six months to work on this together and sit down in rooms and look Each other in the face and make solutions to problems is kind of amazing So I think that there's there's several aspects of this of how we work together But all of them at the end of the day come back to us working together Here in this room and there in that room and well in my living room Although I don't really want to invite you all to my living room because I don't think you'd fit But but I'll be there and you can be somewhere else and now I'm babbling So I'm gonna move on to the next slide of what we need to do first of all I think we need to we need to as always we need to face the facts We need to be very very honest with ourselves about where we are And about where where we want to where we want to go next We need to be we need to be honest as I as I just said about the fact that the person sitting next to us Isn't going to solve our problems for us. It's our job We have to we have to solve our problems. We have to come together and and do that We need to we need to be honest about the things that we need we need to not try and whitewash anything over into the corner saying Oh, no, it'd be fine It's it's really important that that we we we have been honest with ourselves so far I think and we need to we need to maintain that even in the face of the resounding success that we've that we've got so far One of those facts that we need to face is that we are currently hybrid We as a project actually we actually run a rather large hybrid cloud application I mentioned earlier that we have a community run Developer infrastructure team. We've got several members on that team work for me at Hewlett Packard There's people on that team at the open sack foundation and there's other other community members And we do we do a decent amount of work because it turns out that everybody out there Does an extremely large amount of work in producing patches? So thank you. Thank you for producing all of those patches I thank you for giving us the the lovely job of actually testing all of them I think Russell Bryant tweeted a couple days ago that he was thrilled that in our community We consider something that isn't tested to be broken and I think that's I think that's right on The thing that you may not know about that depending on how much you know about how our development process works Is There's there's a couple things first if you're going to submit a patch to us It's it's gonna it's gonna get submitted up and we're gonna run all sorts of tests on it They're gonna they're gonna do everything from code style that we're actually gonna spin up a cloud Install your code make sure that it works and test it and then it's gonna go through code review And then after it's gone through code review and somebody a couple of different core team members have decided that they like your code We're gonna test it again Because things might have changed since you submitted it so we're gonna do a lot of we're gonna do a lot of testing on that We do all of that work currently in two public clouds So we actually have our entire build infrastructure spanning Two public open-stack clouds that are run by different vendors So if anybody tells you that you can't do interoperability You can't do multi-cloud applications. They are absolutely lying to you. We are doing it every day a lot You can go and look at look at Sean Diggs numbers recently. It was something like what? 20,000 clouds that we installed in a week a couple of weeks ago After the release when everybody was on vacation So we do this a lot across two different clouds It got really exciting this last cycle because of the work that the triple low guys are doing now We kind of have to figure out how to test multi-node bare metal cloud deployments And what we have at our disposal are public clouds so The first step is to figure out how in the heck you test a multi-node bare metal cloud deployment when your only resources are a public cloud that gives you either Zen or KVM instances and I Think it might eventually be possible to write something that could maybe only use those resources But it turns out that we have this thing that can deploy multi-node bare metal clouds so so we got a rack of hardware from HP and We've got the triple low team has started up a has done an installation of open stack go figure Wow, we've got this cloud thing. Why don't we use it? Um, so we now actually as a project effectively have a private cloud that we're running because we need some capabilities That don't exist for us in the public clouds that we have at our disposal So we've got that spun up and it's actually in an experimental fashion in our in our node pool application It took exactly zero changes to our development infrastructure To actually add that private cloud even though that private cloud is going to be there to test bare metal deployments for us And and so not only are we actually provably doing a multi cloud interoperable applications on a daily basis We've we've now actually expanded into the hybrid cloud world We have workloads that we run on our private and on our public cloud and we do all of this completely in the community Completely in the open and it works pretty darn well So that's number one thing to for any of the doubters or any of the haters that are out there. We're doing it. It's working It's actually working really well So so yes, you can write your applications to do that. I promise That said We We don't I don't want to I don't want us to sit on our laurels One of the the questions that customers are asking was about are we really open and I think that I think that one of the Elements of openness that we've become really good at is the open collaboration It's not just enough that the code is open source But it's it's that we have a community where you can come in and collaborate on things And it turns out actually if you sort of sit down and think about the engineering of it It's more efficient for you It's more cost-effective for your engineering team to just work with us Don't go off into the corner. Don't go off and write your own thing because you don't like our thing come fix our thing Come come be part of be come be part of the thing that we're doing and as a as a as a specific example of this I Can't even begin to express how excited I am that I get to tell the next little Tidbit of stuff and it's already been tweeted this morning. So my thunder got stolen a little bit Hopefully don't follow that Twitter feed actually hopefully you probably do follow that Twitter feed I'm gonna stop talking So a couple years ago when we started the HP public cloud horizon was Not great It wasn't really ready To be the dashboard of a public for a large public cloud So the engineering team that was there at the time said themselves. Wow, we can't possibly use this. This is terrible Let's go right our own I'm not really sure where the engineering math came across in that thinking that it would be less Less cost to go right one from scratch than to just fix them was already there But ignoring that for a second that went and so we've had a we've had a proprietary Public cloud dashboard for the last little bit Until somebody realized that that was just a giant waste of money And so what's been going on over the last cycle is we've had folks working on getting the features that we need Into horizon so that if you were to go right now if you have a public HP public cloud account And you would like to manage that using horizon you can go to horizon that HP cloud comm And you can manage all of the servers in our new beta public cloud Which I can't even begin to tell you how excited about that But not just because that that happened but because of one of the things that it shows about collaboration It's it's it's all well and good to come in and collaborate on the thing that you think is already working And it's great You're just gonna send up a couple of patches Sometimes what you need to do is you need you need to you need to think hard and about digging in on the thing That maybe isn't quite there yet. Oh, this is this is sort of a neat concept, but it's not it's not really ready yet So I'll just do something else. Well, no don't do something else fix the one We've got if you don't ours is probably gonna come by and surpass you anyway Because there's a lot of us working on this and you're probably not going to hire 1600 developers to work on your on your private thing so just work with this We're really friendly Except when I'm yelling at people but in general we're really friendly And and we get stuff done The the folks are asking about maturity I sort of tip my hat towards this one a little bit earlier but They're worried that we're that we're not mature enough potential. We're only three years old when I was three years old I Didn't do very many things that were useful to anybody I think maybe my parents liked me, but that's probably about it In this case, we're we're doing pretty well. We we we test the ever-loving mess out of this thing Like just so so much. I already mentioned 20 20,000 clouds in a week But that's that's actually that's actually a lot of testing Um as a community the the thing the thing that I'd really like to see us move forward on there Is that as much as we do all that testing and as much as that system is really great the There's really only a couple of companies that are contributing full-time Developers to working on those systems So it'd be really great if some of you out there who were CEOs or CEO CIOs or whatever Could give us some more resources on that because the team's doing fantastic We kind of keep doubling every six months and we're not doubling the infrastructure engineers So you could really use some help on that one, please Um Security is another one that's similar to that we have Security process we have security apparatus. We have a vulnerability management team We have we have security working groups. We have people doing pen testing on on open stack clouds And that all is is is working pretty well Except same sort of thing. Um, this isn't this isn't going to be a problem that we solve once and then we're done with it Uh, it turns out these people keep writing new patches Go figure. Uh, we're gonna have to keep dealing dealing with security as an ongoing issue Which again means we we might need More people in the room to come help us out come join the security vulnerability management team Um, it's it's really important, right? There's absolutely nobody out there who doesn't want this to be secure And it's it's we're we're doing a good job with this right now But but if you if you track the if you track the growth of what we're doing over time We've we've got to have we've got to have more help. We absolutely have to have more help there to to carry that into the future um and then finally Continuous deployment is is a thing And and without getting into too much trouble with theory our esteemed release manager I think that our six month releases are really important actually They give us they give us a point to to pause and reflect to figure out what we're doing a goal to look at in the future We get together here or elsewhere. We probably don't get together here every six months since the first time we've been here Um, but we we get together every every six months to do planning and that actually so far There's nothing broken with that the planning cycle is is actually pretty fantastic Um, but if you're running a large cloud, uh, as I was mentioning with the upgrade ability question earlier There's no way that you're just gonna stop and upgrade in six months That's it's it's insane to think of even at a single data center Uh, uh, even at a single data center scale much less at 20 data centers or 100 data centers Um, so so the the scale of the scale of changes has to has to be able to go in on a continual basis Uh, we've got as as was mentioned already today very excited about it. Uh, my guys working on it The guys at red hat working on it with us, uh, the the triple o project. I think is really important here uh, especially When we're looking at the fact that we've started running a continuously deployed open stack cloud in the community Like if you come and start hacking on triple o you can become a member of the admin team of that cloud and you can help run a continuously deployed open stack cloud With everybody else and and then we'll be feeding that back into the cycle that that gives us resources for the testing So it's it's actually a really nice, uh dog fooding cycle. Um That's that's not it though. Like that's that's a that's a mechanism and it's great And i'm really thrilled with the the work that everybody's doing there Um, but if you go and you look at the at the summit sessions, uh this time Because we are here to plan what we're doing in the next cycle If you look at the summit sessions, you'll see the uh the high amount of of sessions that are pointed at How do we how do we deal with uh stability? How do we deal with upgrade ability as we're looking for this because having mechanism that can do a continuous deployment Is meaningless if the code that you're continuously deploying Rakes itself when you go from when you go from from version to version So we did there were the nova team did an amazing job over this last cycle of getting a whole bunch of Upgrade ability patches and work done in we've got we've got grenade, which is our our First stab at upgrade testing. We're looking at a whole bunch of different ways to to look at at upgrade and downgrade paths between Between patches and this is a this is a thing that That I think is getting a getting a lot of resources and over this cycle We we kind of have to we have to nail this down is we have to admit that this is this is also a model We we may make releases every six months But we actually it's not okay for us to break things in the middle of those releases anymore We've we've grown up. We are actually mature enough already That it's it's just not acceptable. We just can't do it And and we're working on it and we could we could use we could use everybody's help so uh So in general to to to sum up actually and and I might I might give you a couple of minutes of your of your lives back To sum up I I want everybody to do what they can To think about us as a community not Not as the community is being they not the the community being those people over there who are going to get this done for us But the community being being us community being everybody who can show up And and participate because you you can all come on come out and participate And and to ask as you're interacting with this How can you work on the core pieces and not just your vendor plugin right because you can write an amazing vendor plugin for your for your networking stack But if the core thing doesn't actually work Then your amazing plugin is just sitting in in a big pile of mud And so it's it's it's on all of us to show up And to work on those pieces And to and to make sure that the that the entire stack itself Is is is ready is ready to go and also think about the places in the project that might not be as sexy To the product groups inside of your company things like things like the qa team things like the the infrastructure team Things like the vulnerability management team We're all we're all looking for for more help. We're all looking for collaboration. We're all we're all eager for people with new ideas To come in we're we're eager for we're eager for people who aren't me to to hire people for the infrastructure team It'd be really great And that's that's how we make this that's how we make this thing Really really saying and get to the next step So in any case, thank you very much for for coming out and listening to me this morning I look forward to seeing all of you in the design summit sessions and around around the conference Around the conference this week. Thank you very much


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Do you think With the new bomb movies coming up they are going to reuse the scooby-gan or are they gonna recast all of them? Yeah, that is the question Welcome back everyone. This is your own better known as Dutch Bond fan and once again I'm rejoined by my good friend John from haphazard stuff. How you doing John? Very well. Thank you. Good to see you again, Jerome Yes, we're here for episode five in our six-part series of Discussing no time to die and this week we're going over The supporting cast which there are quite a few of so we're just gonna dive right into this and Start off with I think one of the bigger ones in this one the return of Felix Leiter Any thoughts on Felix Leiter to kick this off or for this movie? Well, we had I think everybody Pretty much liked Felix since Casino Royale. Jeffrey writes Take on Felix that kind of gruff Take that he's had on him and I think it was he was a welcome return since we hadn't seen him in the last two films Yeah, he did he did well. I like seeing him in Craig interact like they have They have a nice chemistry. Yeah, he didn't get a lot of screen time again Which I was kind of disappointed But I kind of expected that I expected him to like just come come in short scene Yeah dialogue exchange, you know set things up bring him back into the service What did you think of the return of Felix Leiter? You know, I agree with you. He Was welcomed. I do also enjoyed the continuity to use the same actor You know to not go with the old movies and just cast some other guy It's been Jeffrey right every time in the Craig movies. I did I did feel he seemed a bit more energetic and less mysterious than he was in like Casino Royale because you know Casino Royale, he had like the and quantum as well quantum Especially he had that the soft-spoken lines all the time cleaning chips and all that that stuff and now he had more like our elected leaders You know, they're not having a good time in the sandbox or something like that. It's a line like that was in the The movie so I felt like he had more energy to him. Yeah, he was a little bit more energetic like some of his lines He was like it's very excited. Yeah, like you're right like he was he was kind of a little bit more Excited a little bit more animated about like all right bond. You're in the mission. God right or something like he yeah Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, let's do this bond. Yeah, it was I Do kind of wish that he Like everybody likes the Cuba scene with Paloma and It's it's kind of funny like he he introduced his bond to Paloma and then like they go off on the thing I was like too bad like Felix didn't stick around for that Would have been cool to see to see him involved in that shootout with those two as well Maybe we never really saw like Bond and Felix like in in action together But they're always sitting around at a bar Right and and not just in this movie, but I think in general you never really see those two in action to get Maybe the opening of license to kill is as close as that gets to see them in action together Yeah, yeah, but it's funny too because I think in our forecasting series you predicted that Felix Would meet his doom in this in this movie and he did so I remember thinking like ah John got it, right? What do you know? Well, if anything like you knew he wasn't gonna have a huge role in this So and in a way, I think like his his death Was the best out of all the rest in the films Yeah, he seemed like he was like a very good Traditional sacrificial lamb in the book in a bond movie like we like him He dies and bond gets a great payback on the guy who killed him later. Yeah down the road Right, I think that all worked very well Did the death scene remind you of Vespers death in any way because I've seen that pointed out Yeah, it did in a way because yeah the kind of him drifting back. Yeah. Yeah, it did I get you think they That was intentional right they had to be I don't know maybe I mean You would say it could be intentional, but it's definitely there's definitely a look of Craig like oh, no not another one in this way You know, there's there's some of that Yeah, no, you're right. I do agree. This was one of the better deaths in the scene in the movie that Left kind of an impact like I I As soon as he was kind of so wounded before the the thing started flooding you felt it coming like oh, no Felix is not gonna make it this time, you know, that's Yeah, and I guess, you know because this is the last that we've discussed this countless times because this is the last of an era and of a story and they're Tying up all the loose ends. They they could get away with it. I guess I mean they could have easily had him survive But I think because yeah, it was this was the last Okay, we're Craig is leaving. This is it burned down everything and like Felix. Yeah He seemed like yeah prime target. Yeah all the girls survive, you notice Yeah, yeah, we talked about that one. Yeah, they don't they all do and that's another thing. I think you predicted Yeah, they all the women would Survive this one, but yeah, no overall. I think we're both kind of positive about Jeffrey right. I was Felix. Yeah, I liked I liked seeing him back Even in inspector. I kind of wish that he was gonna come back like when He tells bond tells Monica Baluchio. I have a friend named Felix. Yeah, he'll protect you I feel oh, oh, maybe we'll see Felix pull up in a car or a helicopter pick her up And then like yeah off like really fast, but I Remember thinking exactly that in the cinema like oh Felix's we're gonna see him But yeah only by name this might be loaded question But out of like all the Felix's that we've seen in the series, right? How does Jeffrey writes Felix rank for you? You know, I think he could be my top choice actually David Hettison, I think is it's one of my favorites as well mainly for license to kill not necessarily for living that I Jack Lord just had the classic look But yeah, and I think Jeffrey right had the the chance to do the most with it You know having to the chance to star in the role three times And he's certainly memorable. So yeah, I think he he's he's my top one.  It was nice to see him.  I think Felix in that scene somehow but I mean like it might have taken some of the shine off Paloma, but Maybe yeah Do you think Another question about Felix and this bond. Do you think this? Craig's James Bond would he be the best man at this Felix's wedding? I you know, I could picture that stuff, you know If yeah, maybe they what it's a difficult question that one But I can't picture like the beginning of life's to kill with with Jeffrey right and Daniel Craig I could picture that stuff. What about what do you think? I?  Yeah I'll clean all cleaned up like, you know around like relatives and in-laws and like trying to and being like, you know Very relaxed and sunny. Yeah, I can't I can't picture it It'd be it'd be weird like these guys they sit over bars drinking Heineken's Let's get the scientists would certainly it would certainly be filmed in a different way, but um, yeah Yeah, like in the context of like the way I think of like that license to kill wedding No, Craig and Jeffrey right they Would be like the odd odd guest out at that place Also returning is the the Scooby gang, of course Timer row now that we're introduced to Ray finds Playing M as well as Ben Wishaw returning to play Q and Naomi Harris as money penny all of which I really like also Bill Tanner by the way who played since quantum so Which one do you want to start with with out of these? Let's go for Tanner because Tanner. All right. I think Tanner had a little bit more more screen time then Money penny in this movie. I seem to remember more of Tanner than money penny Hmm. Is it just me? You know, I don't have like a schedule with with how many minutes each of these acts was in but You know, I remember a little bit more money penny. I think Tanner mainly. I remember like Get that one scene near the waterfront with Where Bond has this has a little conversation with em and you hear the majesties music playing in the background for whatever reason and Then the Tanner shows up there I've read something about that scene Yeah, I think I I know what you're gonna come up with but go ahead that when they were shooting that scene The the script they had no idea like how it would be worked into the mood. Can you believe this? Yeah? You would think after all these years they would have like a finished script at that point, but That's why I like it. I'm really anxious in five years time Or seven years or whenever when we get the real story about the production because there was a lot more stuff going on than just like Like the pandemic delays. It must be absolutely like that that script that was Always in flux. Yeah But Tanner did Tanner have any standout moments for you You know, this is probably the one out of the scooby gang I'm always the the shortest about you know, I like Rory Keneer as Tanner. He's very Memorable, but he's always the one out of the scooby gang that doesn't stand out the most if you get what I mean because You're asking me to pinpoint like a standout moment Does he really get one in this movie? I don't know out of the other ones They they all have something we're mentioning but Rory Keneer. He's usually there He brings a decent performance and he's a familiar face mostly, you know some nice continuity But I don't have much to bring to the table about Tanner at all in this movie. Actually, he's just he's there again He does his job kind of like that stuff He gives out the exposition the details of what's going on Tells em. Oh the ships are coming there. What should I tell them? Yeah? Oh, yeah that kind of stuff They could they could have they could have killed him often. I wouldn't have Like really flinched. It's better that they chose Felix I think for to do that that I wouldn't have had much of an impact Which by the way is funny and ironic maybe because I think in the novels Bill Tanner is supposed to be one of Bond's best friends that go those way back, you know You know, he's a very good relationship with with Tanner in the novels, but here. Yeah, you can be very short about him Yeah, I can picture like him in Bond hanging out like after hours. No, it doesn't seem like they would haunt the same places Yeah, it doesn't seem like they'd have too much to talk about Yeah, no Moving on to to what I think was one of the the more interesting ones Q Which I think is Ben Wishaw Was one of the most hilarious characters again Very very funny comic relief and I like what what Ben Wishaw is doing with Q.   I got to pretend that I have never seen him before up until this point.  I had not seen you and then and it's like God at Q. We already know Same with the apartment scene where All of a sudden like in the intercom you see Bond and money penny at his apartment And he's about to have like a date with some some dude which by the way Might be another topic they they made him homosexual this time Anything mentioning there or I was completely fine with that. I think it suited his his character. I Really, I didn't care Thank you If all I want from this character is to him like to come up with neat gadgets in the lab I really care what he does or what they're gonna do with him like After hours So I didn't I didn't really make I didn't even flinch like what it now Now because there are you know people that think like you know to bring this back to is this woke enough or something I don't think in that territory with Q and the gay stuff fine You know, it's not in your face or anything.  He's Yeah hilarious in this one. There's a little courage. He has like eating the candies while he's Well, he's doing the Hacking and stuff.  I don't care if they really want to do it then fine just don't let it get in the way of You know the characters function in the movie Right, and I didn't tell her I'm gay. No, and he he shook tracks the nanobots and everything That's that's the importance of this character if they want to make him gay or whatever then Fine, I don't really have an issue with it I asked Lerit as well when I watched the movie with her You know, see you see she was fine, but it's he actually said like yeah, wasn't he already in the previous ones Like not that I necessarily know of I mean it wasn't really confirmed in Skyfall or sector But she already bought like yeah, I thought she thought it was revealed in the briefest ones already It wasn't I think but I guess I mean it was well his introduction is matter of sexual in his Yeah, in Skyfall when his introduction comes it almost appears like oh bond might think that this guy's trying to pick him up Like when he sits on the bench in the museum like oh look at this guy Oh, oh this guy's gonna like you know come on to me or something, but like I never look at that scene in that way I never it's reaching it's reaching. Yeah. Yeah, so put overall any other Things are about Q that you know they got his cats in this on on the screen all right a cat's He's listening to his music like I He's like the the one character out of the scooby gang that I don't mind seeing in the field But Q right I agree even going way back to Desmond Llewellyn like seeing him like pop up in Thunderball and the Bahamas And oh, I didn't even have any like moments noticed to come out here. Double is seven. Yeah When they start like incorporating like oh now money pennies like you know In the in the fray and em is in the fray Yeah, like I can understand like you like you know being on the on the plane like talking to talking bond through the The thing and everything. Yeah, that that reminded me a bit of what is doing with the Mission Impossible movies the latest ones He's kind of like the the bond version of Benji if you remember him. Yeah, the text guy Benji Simon Pegg Simon Pegg. Yep. I'm in Pegg. Yeah Yeah, he's kind of that type of character, you know, he's also like the comic relief smart guy that supports crews through the field Yeah, very similar. That's that's his function in the movies to me and as long as he can fulfill those functions but I'm Fine and I think wish you all like has been doing very well in that part. I Agree and It's another positive one really that the supporting characters actually they're doing a good job with it Which by the way one last thing about Q. Did you remember in our forecasting series? We were Speculating about the glass of his front door that it was the same glass Oh, yeah, that's a thing with a mask because it's like a similar Yeah, how long were we on that? It's just that it wasn't even happens to have the same glasses as a Madeline's house That that's um, that's a great example of reading too much into something. It's us Yeah, we're examining this stuff.  So Q is in the house that's Saffit No, we were completely a similar glass Yep, but um another one is is M returning Again Ray finds You know he He's actually story-wise kind of responsible for bonds demise in a way Co-responsible it's kind of dark when you think about it when you know that M's behind this whole hercules program thing with With the nanobots this this bio weapon Yeah, I don't know what did you what did you think of M? I Wish like I've said it to you. I sound like a broken record. Why can't we get an M? We just he's they're good at the job. He or she they're good at their job They're just handing out the missions. They don't they say do this do this This is your objective double a seven go off and then like show up like you know, maybe midway through the movie And at the end after it's all done They have to incorporate M Into the big story Like Bernard Lee like he never went through like in all this Yeah, like with Q M has a function in the story like the traditional M They would just give the exposition hand hand the mission to bond and that's it. Let bond go on his way What was the last one? It was um The he has to battle see and the double O program being disbanded and I had to give him something to do like, you know all bond is on the Out in the uh Yeah, but I I do think They did it better this time around With the whole scooby gang because they weren't as involved Yeah In such a forced way like they weren't inspector like that. I agree. Yeah Yeah, you know, it's not like M is battling like another one to prove like that the double O Section is in fact relevant and all that stuff, you know, we at least that's buried and we got we got that done They they they limited the scooby gang to mainly the office. That's where they should be They didn't have to like start incorporating like they're driving down going to safe houses and driving down alleys and All this stuff they limited them That's that's another thing the the office scene When as soon as bond actually gets in the office that was another fun new Part of writing like bond is like did this desk become smaller, you know, and then he's kind of Yeah, going at that and because he really doesn't care. He's like, well, you know, they don't need me And they I'm not in the service anymore, but now I'm here and he's kind of pissed about and it's like and then also one up in him about the You you man your touristy today That's what he also says to and when when he grabs another drink and then they go at each other It's fun. It's new and then as soon as he walks out It's like yeah, the desk is definitely the same, you know something like that. It's definitely the same desk. It's I don't know. I like this this new not necessarily new but this fresher form of chemistry between them. It's I mean I thought it seemed like they He established some respect for Mallory It's skyfall and then since then I haven't seen too much Like inspector. He says you have no you had no authority to go in Mexico and like he's not telling Mallory M Like why exactly he's he was in Mexico because of Judy Dench's message and everything and this one he comes back He kind of insults him about his His desk and everything I Would just like to see like an M Come back. It's I know it's it's Maybe I'm old-fashioned Just see an M like mission bro either boss be the boss and You know like when when they had to they would put bond in his place like in Goldfinger remember like that great scene He puts bond in his place and like bond kind of like backs off a little okay, okay? Yeah, I'm I hope in the next incarnation of the series We go back to like And I know we see why they're doing it because they cast Judy Dench in as M Yeah, they got they got Ray finds his M and these people are like big names they They're too too big to waste and just the traditional little supporting part I guess and they have to give them more to do And what they're giving a lot of the them to do in a lot of these films I don't think it's all that interesting They could be spending the time more wisely on other aspects of the movie or other other Other elements like spend more time on staff and like make let us try to figure out what the heck is going on with that guy rather than spending more time on M and I Know I didn't have any intention of this being a Weapon of mass destruction and then also with the he's responsible like you said He's responsible for Bond's death. He's responsible for this hair, please and Responsible for a lot of the crap in this movie And it's kind of dark and there's no repercussions on him. I guess he just goes back and you know Yeah, he raises a drink the bond in the end. Yeah, which is by the way I did like the that ending with with the scooby gang and I shall not waste my days trying to prolong them Even though in that that scene of here's to James Bond Yeah, and I was watching it and I'm thinking like shouldn't like M be in like the cage that Blofeld was in there now Shouldn't he be like yeah responsible for some of this stuff? Yeah Yeah, it's funny seeing like Ray finds his M because I remember back Back in the day like when he was like one of the rumored candidates to be bond to play Yeah You know and because he's he's obviously You know Harry Potter's biggest enemy and Lord for you would think he would make a terrific villain as well Like maybe he could have been a great Blofeld And yeah, that's always something that was on my mind, you know In a Schindler's list. He's chilling. He is just terrifying in that movie. Yeah He's also gonna star as the the lead leading man in the the new Kingsman prequel Which I think is coming out around this time of the year pretty much. Oh, yeah, that's right You're good. Yeah, you're gonna be online for that, right? Yeah, no definitely want to check that one out Did you see the trailer for Operation mincemeat? No, not yet It comes out in January Colin Firth is in this and it's like about the plan of the allies to Spread this misinformation to the Germans about like the the invasion in in the movie Fleming shows up because he was part of the operation and like you'll see it in the trailer Like he they say, what are you doing Fleming says? I'm writing a spy novel But it looked really reference It looked it looked good. I was like, oh, yeah, I'd like to see this so That leaves one last character, I think has a supporting character which is money penny Not much of saving the best for last in this one But I because because he didn't get that much to do other than being featured in Q's apartment and being there a Little reference to with her and LaShawna like oh, I get why you shot him has to try but I Did I do like Naomi Harris and and you asked me the question just now about who my favorite Felix would be Yeah, I do feel and this might be more controversial than than with Felix But I do feel Naomi Harris might be my favorite money penny as well Mm-hmm, and and I know like the lowest Maxwell is kind of like the holy drill of money pennies He's the one that did it 14 times But ever since Skyfall, I liked her even though we've only seen her in free bond movies She stands out a lot more than what cement the bond got to do with her or Carol bliss I think yeah from the Dalton once so yeah, I don't know it's She's and she's by far the hottest money penny. I mean there's that she's beautiful. Yeah She looked good. She was nice She didn't get as much screen time as Well, obviously in Skyfall like she had like she was a Pell bond on like the whole thing and the casino and stuff. Yeah, Skyfall my my my whole thing was I Completely was under the impression. See was just the bond girl and I still don't know to this day how I managed to keep that Unspoiled to the actual ending that see was money penny. Yeah, I did not know that until the cinema viewing And when that happened in Skyfall, were you like legitimately surprised and I was I was which Which in retrospect is so weird because I ever because I see like it was spoiled to everyone Like, you know how it was spoiled to everyone that Overhouse or was blow felt and that was no surprise But this one. Yeah, I don't know back in Skyfall that was I'm still happy that it was a surprise to me When I first saw that it is kind of funny like thinking back like how the big secret of Skyfall well, I mean we had M's death too, I guess but yeah, we had M's death and oh She's missed money penny and that you compare that to like all the secrets in no time to die. Yeah, no, that's nothing Yeah, I mean all the characters dying this one Pretty much if you have a penis you're dead in this Yeah, so like money penny though that was one thing like The banter between her like money penny and bond is always like, you know the thing that We we want to see and it seemed like now this time they had known me Yeah, she kind of took that over. Yeah, she she took that from like money penny So I don't really remember anything any big lines memorable lines or not no real because they could have Returned some of the flirting that a to be more traditional to the older movies and be because there was chemistry Between them, you know, even in the previous one where where she happens to have like a man over at night And then and bonds like who's who's that boy?  It's not it wasn't really on my mind either It's just something that comes up to me now that we're talking about it But you're right. No, me kind of took that. Yeah that banter in a non-sexual way It's a it's okay like money penny doesn't have to be a Major presence in every movie if she's if she they didn't have to like If they don't have a spot for her then let her do her little traditional scene in the office and then be done with it yeah, and Naomi Harris like she's like the ambassador to like the bond series now like I see her at like all the events and like Yeah, promoting it on social media Promoted the the Lego DB5 that I have in the living room. I think it was her that promoted that stuff Yeah, yeah So they're lucky they they have her Yeah, yeah, and this raises the final question to end this video with do you think With the new bomb movies coming up. They are going to reuse the scooby-gan or are they gonna recast all of them? Yeah, that is the question if I had to bet I would say That they would bring them back that they I think like they they have a nice supporting cast and I don't think they're going to be too anxious to lose them. Is it gonna confuse Mainstream audiences.  He died. I don't understand like how People aren't savvy enough To not understand. It's just a reboot. Like I would figure after Like these these last 20 years of like Marvel movies people would understand. It's oh, you just hit the reset button And and that's the thing that's the reaction. I've been getting as well. Like it's like I'm most I'm so curious How are they gonna continue now? What is it? Are they gonna do know me as 007 now? I'm like, come on It's this has been rebooted What I mean, yeah, like they've had new actors step into this thing for the last 60 years So like I don't understand like how people are so confused by this like that I think they really think that like, you know, they're gonna. Oh, the only way they could do it is like, you know, Daniel Craig Just kind of crawls out of the rubble and then like maybe he survived. No, no It's just gonna be a complete new thing. Yeah, and then but this is a casual audience drive. Yeah I Yeah, at least the most barn fans now, but yeah, I am surprised about how much I see of that It's just yeah, it's it's always surprising me like when I read the comments and stuff and then like with with Q and Money penny and M like all those actors returning. I think it's just gonna add to more of the confusion to like, you know People which is why I think they are gonna recast the whole thing I think I do feel like now in Naomi Harris and Ben Wishaw and Ray finds they all would want to return if they got the chance But they might just be the the Scooby gang of the Craig movies. I mean, I mean, we both don't have a Future sighted to know but yeah, I feel they they might just go with a complete clean slate And I know they they did it with Judy dense where they got her from Boston lifted her into the read brought her over Yeah, and and they made her a different M than the M that she was in Brosnan's movies because he was That's a whole different conversation But she was an M that was actually around before the Cold War and she's been in a seasoned M in the Craig movies Whereas in in Brosnan, obviously she came after the Cold War. I think she had a different name as well like one of them is Emma Mansfield and the other one This is another you could look it up, but there's she plays two separate M's the Judy dense. Yeah Yeah, but but here, you know, we this is something we're gonna look back in 2040 when 226 comes out, but yeah, but by the time the next one comes out, we're gonna see who's right, but I feel I Would want to see them return they were all especially the the main free like money penny and M and and Q I Would want to see them return, but I think they're just gonna go with a new Felix a new money penny a new M Just a whole new it's a way to see yeah a whole new cast for the new bond Yeah, it really depends. That's the thing. It really depends on what direction they're gonna go in next It's hard to tell but I mean it would be kind of Strange if they decide. Oh, well, we really like Ben wish I was Q. We're gonna stick with him But we're gonna recast all the other parts Right, like you have like one holdover. It's a package deal. Yeah They can't break it up No, it's either you bring all of them back or none of them It's not like Judy then's where you could just bring her I feel maybe with Ray finds you could just do just him But yeah, I don't know. I feel like I feel like they're probably gonna recast the whole the whole shebang Which is a shame too because they were they were good, but who knows I mean Who knows we yeah, we don't know where like Barbara's head is anymore. No We'll have to wait and see it's gonna be interesting to see like what if this was the last that we're gonna see of those Characters by those actors. Yeah Well, we'll talk about that with bond 26 whenever that is