One two three four one two three one two three four one two three one two three four one two three So Kirby is here Stephanie Smith is here. She's gonna have to duck out a little early Emory Richardson is here. Thank you for the binder Barb's here and Ariane. Am I pronouncing your name, right? Okay And I got an email or text from John Adams Saying he couldn't make it last minute So so this is it which we do technically have a quorum There there is a quorum. Yes. Yes, I get to vote at that point. Yeah, I always discount myself Yeah, so all right, well if we're ready, we'll call the meeting to order, okay So everyone direct everyone's attention to the agenda So I would like to adjust the agenda because we have absence of several people and in the interest of Focusing our enter our attention tonight on finishing up the zoning read the kind of like the fixes quote-unquote fixes to our zoning Going through that matrix. I would like to table the The city plan kickoff item that's item eight until the next meeting and With that being tabled, I think we can conclude tonight's meeting at 6 30. So assuming we don't have any big issues that pop up and really I have a Great deal of interest in making sure that Mike can leave as soon as possible since he's he is ill and he's calling in nevertheless so And Stephanie needs to leave so if anyone has any objection to that No, we can change it, but okay. Any other modifications to the agenda They needed to be corrected Yeah, I think there was some confusion about who made what motion it was about there was two different Items that were clumped together. They should have been separate motions. So I think Mike was gonna Modify that and that's why they pop back up on the agenda so Okay, well will deem the agenda with the tabling of item eight as Approved by consensus Okay, so item. Well, that's item two so item three annual election of chair and vice chair So this is something that we're required to do every giant at January every year Like I said at the last meeting Kirby and I are happy to continue serving But we certainly don't need to nobody else has approached me So and I think there's a lot of roles for people even without official title, but Anyone does want something then you should let me know But hearing none do I have any Any nominations Okay, do I have seconds for the nomination? Any discussion about this Okay, all those in favor say aye. Aye all those opposed Okay, the motion carries the motion to nominate That's what we'll call it All right. Well, thank you another year. We'll see you know Has things progressed we can you know reevaluate next year whether we want to continue or we want to change it up So I might not mind stepping down Well, I mean with the amount of new planning commissures we've had come on it seemed to make sense I Yes, I'm very but Kirby has Okay, so number four comments from the chair I don't want to spend too much time talking about comments, but I I do just want to recognize that I am receiving emails with people interested in providing input on the city plan And I know everybody here is champing at the back to get going on that So I'm looking for us to start delving into that starting at the next meeting and to spend The bulk of our time working on that and the first part of that process will be Sort of big picture thinking which will be fun and overwhelming at once, but we will be we'll be able to do it So I'll go over some more detailed ideas about that at the next meeting so For now, that's all I have unless anyone else has any random Let's see as it's possible that Dan Jones might be coming in at the next meeting. Well, I'll see if he's available I don't know it's pretty less Everyone knew that he offered to present the bridges Competition winner it seems like a great place to start. It's a very definitely an overview that would be yeah So and I asked them to distribute the information to the planning Commission directly Not just make everybody go on the site and read it. So Yeah, they'll have a hard copy Great. Thank you, Bart Okay, so general business is item five Which is when we invite members from the public to come up and present comments about items that aren't on the agenda There's no member the public presence. So we'll move on to item six which is our punch list of zoning fixes and I understand from Mike we have one Item that's highlighted in yellow that we have not voted on But we need to discuss and then the remaining items will be deemed approved by Consent unless somebody brings up an issue they want to discuss So what I propose we do is we start with item four have Mike walk us through the issue and then I'd like to hear if anyone has any Specific items they want to talk about in here and Stephanie if you need to step out Okay, okay Okay So Mike, can you walk us through number four the decision that needs to be made? Okay, and let me know if you can't hear me You're loud and clear. Okay So number four was just an issue that had come up on an application Where clear whether or not they we might point out the fact that they never actually could argue at both ways Is it possible to differentiate between? Parking and pathways or does that make it too complicated? Like if it's a gravel pathway, they can pave it without a permit, but if it's parking, they need to get a permit Um Is that the pathways to work the same way though they could be rather informal You know finding where people are walking and then deciding you're gonna pay. Yeah, that makes it messier just a thought Well, I mean client the same as Mike where I mean not to worked up over the issue But I do think that regulating and tracking and previous services that are popping up is a pretty good policy goal and So I'm gonna tend to not not want to see over regulation, but I think this is one that's important enough and with water quality issues and things Being on everyone's minds, I think keeping track of purview services makes it all that more important to do I would agree with that and the other point to make is that gravel is a variable service Even though they call it impermeable, but it really does drainage patterns change over time after freezing and thawing So whereas pavement is pretty much set and so if somebody then paves over a gravel surface and drains onto neighbor's property We better know about it. So I think it would be better just to be able to have some kind of overview So what exactly is the proposal? I'm sorry if I missed it, but I maybe I have an old So the recommendation is To just say to state that you wouldn't Require a permit for the paving repaying of already impervious surfaces, but this pops up under so I mean in the exemption section of the zoning it says that Certain types of development are exempt and I think for some reason this gets pulled in through the definition section Is that right Mike? Yeah, so we we voted in a different place on the matrix Remove land development and instead actually put the definition of land development in one zero zero four So what I would end up doing is just inserting it on one of those so I'm just gonna read it out loud for people who Don't have a copy immediately in front of them. So in one on page one dash one there's this Little I and this sentence in italics that says land development means Constructing installing demolishing constructing converting Structurally altering relocating or enlarging any structure mining excavating filling or grading land Removing natural woody vegetation from within riparian buffers Changing or extending the use of land or a structure Adjusting or relocating the boundary between two lots or dividing a lot into two or more lots. So this one This issue seems to come under Converting Reconstructing structurally altering. Is that right? Was the idea to strike I all together and then put the definition I'm not clear on that yet. Yeah I'm just trying to Have one second and just look up a different way to get there here sure Because it's also mentioned in five one zero one L2 as the definition Development yeah Yeah, and then if we changed it could get changed in one location and none the other Well, the word land development is used throughout the applicability section so It makes sense to just have it clear mm-hmm as part because these informational notes are Really not part of the ordinance. Are they Well other than references yeah, so the the I wasn't so we removed that one and what I put in was And and I can get you the strikeout copy as soon as we're done today So in in my draft notes, I put together I have a one zero zero four point B that says development includes One the reconstruction the construction reconstruction conversion structural alteration relocation enlargement or demolition of any building to any earth work Including mining excavation a lot. So it's it's what we had here Except broken into Subparts it's actually written in the rags now with Specific provisions for each of those types of development that are listed off with semi-colons in between them here And then you've clarified the paving to To be part of that. Yeah, it's its own even though you Arguably could be interpreted as one of these issues on one of these types of development You've now create created its own provision. So it's a abundantly clear Yeah, I thought yeah, I went for the abundantly clear I'm okay with that proposal What others would you remove the definition then from Bit by one zero one L On the paving definition. No the land development definition. Yes, I would reference in the end because Just so everybody knows there's a you know a rule of thumb for writing regulations that says say it once You never say something twice because you'll always get it different So what I would probably have in the definition section for zero four point B. Yeah Okay, not everything that was in by one zero one L2 was in the definition that you just read to us So we have a couple of other issues that are here like the Adjustment or relocation of the boundary between two lots or the division of a lot into two or more lots Yeah, that was in my subdivision blah blah blah. Oh subdivision. Okay Just as long as we don't lose it. No, no, it definitely had to be So by saying paving of unpaved surfaces, you're exempting something like a gravel path that would be paid by understanding that, right? No, no, so we're not exempting So you would need to get a permit for the paving of a gravel path. Okay So the first time the intention is to require permit the first time you pay to repave then you would not need a permit Is that acceptable? Yeah, everyone. Okay, Mike, we're going with your recommendation. Okay consensus Okay, thanks, Stephanie. We'll see you at the next meeting which will be That calendar doesn't show me February 11th, okay, and 25th. Okay. See you then Don't think one of those is a holiday No, I don't think so either Okay, so then I think we wanted to revisit number 125 as well I don't think we voted on that I was the only other yellow one. Okay, what about 62 Mike? That's still open, but oh just decide not to act on it Yeah, we decided to hold off on that until after we have more of the city plan work underway And we understand whether that's going to fit within it It's sort of an idea that we We thought we consider as part of the city plan That's the the question was whether we'd have just sort of a generic Pud to add to all the other puds and we decided let's let's work on our city plan and see Whether that's something that we decide is necessary at that point But let's hold off on it for now So that was 62 so 125 let's see and then we got kind of caught in a question of What accessory buildings would mean so we would want to see a site plan I agree Mike as long as it comes out as a minor site plan It seems like the number of sections that That are pertain to minor site plan are reasonable to ask for a new four-unit building Mike if someone is is modifying a existing say an existing Victorian to make it to turn it from one unit into four Would you say that it's always an administrative site plan review? That's a change of views To go to from one to four Yeah, I'm just trying to zoom down to the part where we have Because it's conditional on some Where the Requirements are for items that need Three and four dwelling units are conditional in some zones Some districts those those would automatically have a hearing anyways What are you looking for? All right. Um, so section 3 2 1 People are want to look that up that has a major site plan what needs a minor site plan Major site plans have the hearings minor site plans are administrative principal buildings Major renovation linked and we have a definition of major renovations, which means the building pretty much can't be occupied It's one of these full guttion That's what it's gonna ask By parking spaces Or just yeah major renovations that term is used there seems kind of vague to me It's it has a definition and we think it's got enough page five dash one two It is a little vague. We'll give we'll give you that but it is so it seems like One of its distinguishing characteristics is Alteration to the exterior shell of the building putting in a bunch of walls You're saying wouldn't quite wouldn't quite get you there But if you're going to put in a bunch of walls and you can't like three kitchens You know if you can't occupy the building for its original intent You know if it's a single family home and the people are living there, I suppose You could argue that it's not a major renovation, but I personally am really interested in pursuing this More I mean I don't feel like I'm well versed enough in the zoning to know All the potential scenarios, but I also feel like it would be really helpful to have john here To discuss it. Can we put this off or do we need to I mean, I know we've been like slow on that One thing I'm thinking about with this item is this is another great item to take up in the context of the city plan Where we have some ideas of adjustments tweaks We could make to the zoning in order to work towards certain goals like increasing housing stock For instance, so this could be a great item to hold off on for now and discuss again once we're in That that discussion so we can bring tweaks to the zoning to the city council at any time We can at any time. Yeah. Yeah Um, it's whatever vote you make tonight that this will just Make will it'll let me finish making the strikeout copy and then we can warn a public hearing and we still have Opportunities to make chances later. So if john shows up to the public hearing He has the opportunity to go and say I still want to revisit this and and have that discussion There's nothing that's permanent at this point Well, we're just going to make a copy that we say this is our copy We're going to go to public hearing with and as you all remember or many of you who are on the last one remember We made a bunch of changes after the public hearings And so we may make a few more tweaks after our public hearing before we send it to city council and they may make Yeah, I mean, I'm definitely interested in this change as well But I don't want to do it without talking through all of the potential consequences and I have a feeling Stephanie would probably be interested too. So I think I think There's good reason to bring it up later. Just hold off for now One point I just want to make in reviewing this that the section 3207 design and compatibility Would not pertain to this if If it was not a major site plan review so and we're Putting a lot of eggs in that basket to make sure that it's consistent with the neighborhood There might be some other tweaks you want to make this area while we're at it too. I mean Part of the concept here is The city is invested in the exterior Doing there, but things that are in that are mostly internal like we're talking about where you're just Increasing the number of units in a place Yeah, they'd have to get a building permit though and they'd have to put sprinklers in so At that at that scale they'd have to put sprinklers in I think they would yeah I'm just like I'm I'm thinking I'm just just thinking a lot about if we work on this later Thinking about that the focus on the exterior as opposed to regulating the interior as much It's not as much as their business Yeah, I mean it's it's one thing to change an existing building versus Construction and constructing a new four-unit building it's going to be a different Potentially different set of criteria that we're going to be concerned about so I would yeah, I wouldn't want to get rid of it right now But so what you're suggesting Leslie is that we don't change it now but potentially change it later Look at it with the yeah Yep, I mean it's We're going to have a lot of opportunities to make recommendations as part of the city plan about changes that should be done And then we could I mean if we decide this makes a lot of sense We could After we are done with the city plan. We could just take it up immediately and check something off the city plan checklist Okay, everyone go with that approach Okay So the numbers 56 through 130 Are the consent items Does anybody have any specific? Points they want to discuss I'm guessing will 56 through 130. Yes Remind me. Did we already do one through 55 except for the number four? Okay. Yeah I know it's sort of hard every two weeks to get in and out of the mindset And find the right matrix The right matrix is dated december 28th 2018. I believe yes, at least we're looking off the same copy So under 84 we are going to add a definition of change of use, right? Okay. So mike and barb's directing us to number 84 Add a definition of change of use. Do we have that definition now? I Do but it's probably down in my office Okay So could we maybe see that next time? I mean we can certainly we need to add a definition Yes I just Want to see the wording that's all But that makes sense That makes sense. I guess I had a question but maybe not a problem With 111 Some conflict exists between 3505 lot arrangement 390 3009 Stormwater this was a decision we made but we can revisit it. Oh, I didn't have that as uh as approved Yeah, uh pc agrees to delete 3505 point a7 was the decision at the time Which number are we on 111 1111? Yeah, I have delete number seven of 3505 Written down under which end of your third column Never mind Yeah, so on one of them. It's my own note. Oh your note. Okay. It's my own Yeah, I wasn't seeing any notes under actions mic. So that's why I wasn't sure what we had decided to do Okay, just one other quick question on 127 On the campus pd and permits Yep recommended striking the last sentence um It seemed from reading it that after five the intent was that after five years the approval would expire But you said there seemed to be some confusion with that Is that was that not your interpretation? That was Last sentence is confusing does not apply. I'm just trying to get to it here 346 m1 Yeah, so Permits and amendments to the campus master pitch help the administrative Application but a development is going in for major site plan approval and has gotten it They need to actually do the development within five years It's not actually addressing anything regarding the master plan on campus. Yeah, I think my confusion is on the last sentence My notes in the matrix probably weren't as clear as they could have been this provision shall not apply Oh, is it the the two above it? Yeah, there's talking about a couple of things above it So just so just strike strike the last sentence Yeah, have different sub sub provisions to handle just one Particular issue. I mean do you want to break one into two so that proposed development becomes uh item number two Or just not not I don't know what I would recommend for the parking plan or the sign plan I think I would just follow What's going on above proposed development requiring major site plan shall occur within five years Okay, we'll probably revisit that sounds good Okay, so we're gonna have to come back to number 84 briefly I think that that was a good catch five I thought we were Yeah, let's see if there's anything else Yeah, I'm sorry. Could I I actually had that print? Seems like we've had trouble with that before trying to define what was a change of use and what wasn't So it's be good to have a definition Yeah, I've written them before for other communities So I had one that I kind of worked and I thought it was gonna Fit pretty well, but I think it is an important definition that we should probably review Yeah Yeah, would you mind distributing that by email? Yeah, um when you when you get back to work and we can That way we shouldn't reply But we can all consider it on our own and then talk about it the next meeting quickly Anything else on this Okay Well, we should talk about um, I mean the next Item on the agenda is the Adoption process, but before we get into those specifics. Let's talk about Kirby's memos Do we want to have a A motion on the consent or are we just assuming that everybody else is good because it was a consent item? Uh, we are assuming everyone else is good because it was a consent item and everyone was duly warned As such um, but I don't think we're ready to Make a motion to pass on this packet yet until we Discuss number 84, which is the change of use definition Yep, and I have a couple others for anyone who's looked up up above Whatever 59 there were a couple of Yellow areas where staff was going to develop a map or staff was going to develop painting studio definitions So I think there are a couple of them that Yeah, I had work to do there weren't decisions you guys had to do there is just some work I had to do so I've got to put some stuff together to get those to you anyways Okay, we can consider all of those at the next meeting and then hopefully with those Approved or modified and approved we can then pass on a whole packet Just like a plan Okay, so which ones are we excluding right now? We're excluding 62 and Well, I mean we made decisions on all of them except for 84 Um, and some of the decisions were to just hold off Yeah, so I don't I don't know the best way to go through it and Well, that was I just think it'd be good helpful to identify the ones that we're holding off on So otherwise if we pass all of these then it sounds as if we have approved The ones that are still in flux as well, so 62 was one of them Okay, so we need we need work from Um Mike on numbers 15 18 Um 62 what we're going to do in the context of the city plan, right? Right? Oh, just that we're going to know that we're going to hold off on it, right? Okay And so for that it was 62 and I didn't make a note because I figured this Four which is the one you just brought up about change of use and then 125 15 and 18 to Leslie Yeah, that one staff should develop map develop new painting studio use Then that's all I can see off hand, but Our resolution of the painting studio issue was to try to define it. Is that what you're saying, Mike? I don't remember. Yeah, so it'd be a new use for painting studio. Otherwise all of the art studios will be like manufacturing So I just needed to come up with a definition for painting studio and then to insert it onto Yeah, that just sounds tricky Very defined When you cross the line out of painting studio when does it become sculpture? Well, we just need to make sure that we figure out how they could be art studios be allowed because right now they're apparently not allowed Art studios fall under light manufacturing and can be so broad musicians There's different medium that somebody could say it's well, you know, I'm an artist doing performing my art We can revisit that if it seems Yeah, certainly anyone can can bring that up. We just needed a okay So we just have five items that we're excluding from our consent agenda or a consent approval Well, not all of them were consent approved just items 56 through 130 minus 125 in 84 Anything that hasn't been commented on this assumed to be approved at this point Just want to be clear. We actually walked through. Yeah, we walked through all the other ones Okay, so let's talk about Kirby's memos Because you Well, we we kind of discussed how we wanted to do it at the last meeting and Um, I'm not sure if you've had an opportunity to modify them at all I did I sent uh everyone. I think I sent just sent to the entire group. Yeah, I sent to the entire group I remember that. Yeah, I lose track of what I sent to you and my class and everyone I sent everyone copies. They were lightly modified versions of what we had talked about before broken out into two memos Uh, didn't you know, we haven't done a thorough discussion of the more contentious issue about billable area So I hadn't make any major changes there Um Barb had provided a lot of feedback uh to us the last meeting about she wanted to make there And some of the like stuff that's in the like the wordsmithing variety of things that Barb pointed out I looked at and made change some changes. Maybe not all of them along those lines But anything substantive I just tell off on to see It's like do we want to discuss it more or Um, I mean like one question is that you know Barb has a certain vision for it But the but the memos from the group so I mean We could spend a lot of time to make to try to get to like a place where If we think it's worthwhile to try to make make a version that everyone's totally happy with Or we could just send it with a note that Is that the intent of the memo or not? Is it to to you know present Both sides of the issue and here's why we're doing this. So, um my recollection of our vote approving the preparation of this memo Was not to present two sides, but to provide the city council with a clear Wist or outline just identifying the The concerns that were were brought up as part of this vote And that could potentially have an impact that they should be considering as part of their consideration of this change So, um, it wasn't like this was said and this was said and this it was more like I guess I read that as being the same. Okay That yeah that here are the issues that were brought up Yeah, and here are the advantages and here are the disadvantages, right? Yes clear cut that's listed as to either statements of fact or Yes, you know And trying to keep it as as clear as possible and then say, you know, basically it's up to the city council Right, and I thought you gave Kirby some excellent feedback about some of the items that looked a little bit subjective and he made modifications to Yeah, I guess I would say that I didn't see the modifications It's kind of meeting what I was, you know, would like to have seen So I suggested to Kirby before the meeting tonight that maybe we could just sit down together I think it would be a lot faster process To do this In person and say, okay. How about this how you know and kind of work back and forth with some different verbiage Rather than send emails add infinitum Is that something that the two of you think you might be able to do before the next meeting? I'd be happy to but so one thing we're going to run into though Is that there'll be things we probably aren't going to agree on that where I think it's a substantive change and And I think it's not a message that I would want to send So then what are we so so what so we put both of them in the mission like us to do there I think we have to put both of them in in a very subjective way Do we have an example of that? I mean that you've already run into We can just discuss quickly Yeah, it's kind of fun Barb comments Like like there's like a factual statement here where I had said that some residents of popular have voiced Disapproval of changes to density limits in the past and Barb wants to change it to Disapproved multiple times of neighborhood densities and I just it's a the tonal change there I think it's you know sending a different message than what I've intended to so You know things like that Yeah, I mean I and I think you know some of it is certainly an issue of emphasis But I think you know I want to make sure that you know I for those city counselors who We're not here during that process That they're clear about that this was not just one or two people And that there was some very significant disagreement with what we were doing And so what we need to be able to do is to show to the public that this change makes sense And will it would in fact not Significantly alter that and so in my point of view is that there were some very vocal people But still compared with the entire population all the residents of the city. They were still Tiny minority So I don't want to give a few squeaky wills that kind of platform That's trouble. So, you know, well, I mean that that is my view on it because I because I do view that I want to represent all the residents and not just Spoken certainly so so like that balances. Yeah Yeah, I think that one of the things that we continually said to those people And there became more and more people over time. It wasn't just, you know, one or two people that that we said to them Well, you know, we hear your concern However, we have these other Policies in place That would keep our any development consistent with what's in the neighborhood So that was presented clearly to those people and to everyone. So anyone else who might have descended Make not have come forward because they said, oh, sure. Yeah, we're getting into trouble I mean, there's there's all I mean, not that we're making many major, you know, maybe as big changes but we're making a lot of changes to zoning and Everyone in the city is not necessarily going to be aware that we're I mean, we're we're giving I feel like we're giving a very You know Expans, you know, which is fair given the contentiousness of this issue But, you know, the planning commission also voted to move the recommendation forward. So I I just share the concern about giving Enhancing the platform of Yeah, of something that the city, you know, the planning commission By a majority didn't vote for so I don't and I don't know how to deal with the differences in tome. That's very complex If you, you know, if you don't want to spend any more time on it, then I'm perfectly happy with just writing a dissenting opinion And sending it to the city council. Well, how about this? Why don't we Why don't the two of you sit down as you suggested? Why don't you see if you can come to something and and I would Urge you to think about factual corrections that need to be made and identify when you have a stylistic discrepancy About the tone or the urgency of something Well, yeah, I mean obviously, I mean this memo isn't is intended to represent that there are multiple opinions So it's not meant to say this is the one opinion of the city count of the planning commission It's meant to say they're they this is there are a couple of different opinions. This is what the majority chose But we understand that factually speaking there are some Drawbacks to moving forward with this recommendation. And so Ensuring that those factual drawbacks are adequately and accurately captured That's really important. And I think you are in the best position to do that. So that's what I I'm really looking for And obviously You know Kirby's a human like anybody else and and there can be moments where we've had it in something slightly subjective And it's helpful to have somebody just check make sure everything's yeah, let's you know objective possible The document I distributed in the first place is really a first draft. So no, I understand. Yeah So the fact that there's a lot of feedback is totally expected and welcome. Um, and if ultimately you feel like checking the factual Accuracy is not sufficient. You want to have a separate dissenting opinion that has more of the tone that you're looking for than I mean you certainly can do that too. So I mean, I I think The bet the more we can speak with one voice The the better our credibility as a commission is that's why I'm looking to maintain it if we can But if we can't I'm not going to force it. I mean, I think there should have a dissenting opinion if needed So all right, so we will meet. Um outside and see what we can draft Okay Very good And then we'll we'll all look at that as as much as we can I think we'll have a quick discussion about that and we'll move on because we have discussed it quite a lot Try and circulate that before the next meeting. Try to circulate it before the next meeting. Just give us a couple of days Just no discussion. Right. Yeah Okay, and then Mike are there any quick details about the adoption process that you want to discuss? No, when we're when we get there, we'll talk about it. It's it's pretty straightforward I just wanted to get the two people a chance to ask any questions and to understand the process But I will go over it. Uh the next meeting when we So we'll look at 15 18 84 And curvy's memo Okay, is that right by 62 and 125 we're holding off on Yes, okay till the city plan Yes So we're not taking any action on those No action, right 15 18 84 curvy's memo. Okay Curvy's memo is really the planning commission's memo and curvy is Graciously drafted it. I'm just calling it curvy's memo for ease of reference This is fine. Okay um So that brings us to item nine, which is the minutes from december 10th and january 14th So first let's look at december 10th meeting minutes meeting minutes Do I have a motion to approve these minutes? We could discuss can we make sure that it's just changed before we even take any action on it Okay, get changed Mike Didn't make a strikeout version, but the the minutes are changed on page. It's on the back I don't have them in front of me Yeah, page two No, I just mean was it corrected from the original december 10th that we Yes, I was asked To there's just confusion about what the vote was on The motion passed in a five zero vote with erin abstaining that um The engineered and slope section would be forwarded. So is that what we voted on? And we didn't vote on the buildable areas question Correct. That's why we're working on the memo But we did vote on it a couple of times I guess we just didn't have an official vote on this date if you reviewed the video then I trust you but I Yeah, what what happened on the 10th was we We needed towards december 10th that said well, we'll just wait So maybe we I think maybe curvy's memo identifies a vote on this date So maybe it could be corrected to a straw poll. I'm gonna have to do What I'm thinking is that if we're going to discuss the memo we should but just vote then And that will be the If we didn't have an actual vote, I really thought that on the 10th we had two votes, but I mean it doesn't at the end of the day doesn't really matter what you vote next time and I'll Yeah, if it didn't happen then reflect that date even though it's Future in the future. Yeah, we had a motion in a second We never technically withdrew it. We also never technically voted on the first one and then ended up voting on the second one I usually try to pay attention to that but okay And I think that was where we we missed it. And that's what confused Tam doing the minutes. Yep Well fair enough Do I have a motion to approve the meeting moment meeting minutes from december 10th? All those any discussion further discussion No, all those in favor say aye And I'll vote aye since I have to vote right now Okay december 10th meeting minutes are approved. Let's turn quickly to january 14th meeting minutes Do I have a motion to approve these minutes? Do I have a second? Okay, any discussion barbie ready for a vote? Okay all those in favor say aye Aye Okay, any minutes from january 14th are approved Okay, so Next meeting we're going to start with before we adjourn. I just want to sum up what we're going to start with We're going to take up the last of the matrix numbers 15 18 84 We're going to also vote on the buildable area question Which I don't know what number it is off hand, but I'll find it And we voted on that already it was just a memo that was going to go. It's voted on five one multiple times Okay, well, I'll review wasn't on the 10th I'll review my my notes about that and see what I can find. We'll vote next time just for the sake of the memo Yeah, that's that's what we were talking about and then we'll vote for the sake of the memo Okay, all right. Do I have a motion to adjourn? I'll second Okay, all those in favor say aye. Aye. We are adjourned. We'll see you on february 11th


Hello everybody and welcome to TV8's 2005-2006 High School Basketball Preview Show. My name is Mike Martin. Joining me is the coach Chris Wright. Chris, we've got a lineup of really great coaches this year. One newbie in the group. Yeah, we do. We have Lutheran head coach Todd Decker who's coming off a conference championship a year ago. Brett Phlipsy who's Christian team I believe won just a couple years ago and is ready to compete again. We have of course Cheboygan Norse Tom Desatelle who had to rally the troops last year and again got another conference championship. And Tim Schultz who's actually a Plymouth native is now taking over at Cheboygan South. Plymouth, pardon me, Tim was a coach at New Holstein last year for a couple years. Yes he was and he has some brothers that are coaches and I believe down in Waukesha as well. So a lot of basketball in his family. We got a couple other things lined up that we want to do. We're going to discuss the conference races in the Fox River Valley and the Central Lakeshore Conference. We also want to talk about the all city picks and this is something that the press has done for, gosh it seems like about 12 or 13 years. And it's kind of an interesting thing to do it ahead of time so we'll talk about that. And then we also want to talk about some underclassmen Chris that might have an impact this year. Well I think it's just going to be an exciting year again for basketball and we always look forward to it. It's been a couple of weeks since the football season so I'm ready to go. We're going to step out right now and when we come back, Chris will have Lutheran head basketball coach Todd Decker. So stay tuned, we'll be right back. Welcome back everybody. I'm with Cheboygan Lutheran head coach Todd Decker. Conference championship last season must have been pretty exciting. Yeah it was a good time for us. It was a great run for us that we had and satisfying for both players and coaches. It was real good for our school and our program. Now at Lutheran you've had some coaches there for a long time. I know Mike's been with you for just about since the beginning. Do you think that helps in consistency in your program? Oh definitely. Mike Theobald like you said has been here for 10 years with me. He knows the things that I want. We've had a veteran JV coach now that's been there for a number of years. Freshman coach for three or four. Yes because then down the line we know the drills and our plays. Kind of know what I'm looking for. It helps when we get to the varsity level practice time and that those guys know the terminology. So it's great to have assistant coaching staff like I have. They're the behind the scenes guys and a lot of times they don't get that notoriety but that's what makes a program your assistant coaches. Well let's talk a little bit about your team.  Now we have some size. You know with John at John Decker at 6'6 and we have Adam Dillman at 6'4 and Andrew Haling's a big kid. So we do have some size. They're not as experienced maybe inside because they didn't get a lot of playing time last year but it's nice to have that size and I know other schools look for that and we're going to try to utilize that along with some guard play that we do have. Probably the most asked question for you and maybe it never ever gets old for you and so why should I be any different but it's kind of hard to believe that John's actually a senior and why don't you tell us a little bit about not just John but some of the things he's worked on over the summer to improve his game. Well he puts an incredible amount of time and work into his play every night. Every day he had a schedule that he had to do and worked very hard this summer, worked at the AAU and did a lot of league specialty camps. So it is hard to believe that it's been four years. It's been a great blessing for me to be able to coach your son and we're looking for big things. He showed a lot of leadership already. The guys found but his work ethic has really been paying off. He's been really hitting the ballhailing passing footwork is what he really worked on this past year to be a little bit quicker and work on that quickness and along with his shooting. He always loves doing that so that's not going to be a problem for him. Yeah it's hard to believe the four years are gone already. Yes it is. It goes by pretty quick. Yeah well you know you did graduate you know I would say four returning or excuse me four guys left to your program so who are some of the new faces we're going to see for the Crusaders this year? Well we're losing four starters. I'm really excited about Brian Imel. He's one of our guards, our captains. He went to a lot of camps with John this summer and he turned some heads so I think he's going to be one of the better guards I think even in the city in our conference and he's going to make some people go where did that guy come from. I think he's going to help us. Zach Hasenstein I think he's going to be a junior. He has some sizes at 6'4". We have some guards of Matt Holler. He had some playing time for us last year so we lose those starters but we have some guys that I think will fill those holes and they know what's up for grabs. Our practices we've had a couple already and they get after it. They know they have that chance to be able to play so it makes the practices pretty exciting. Well we talked a little bit before as well. You can probably throw Usberg and Kohler and Christian and Howard and throw them all in a big hat and you can probably say well this team's got some strengths, this team's got some weaknesses. It should be a good race this year in the CLC. Well the CLC is always tough and if you don't come ready to play every game, it might be in a little cliche but in the CLC you have to be prepared. Usberg with their size is always tough to handle. They've got some nice players but all the way down the line I think Christian will be tough. Howard has some really nice players that are difficult to defend and go up against. Kohler has some sizes this year too. Cedar Groves may have some guys that are new but they're always tough, they're well coached. All the teams are well coached in the CLC so you have to really be prepared. So it makes for an exciting season and I'm really glad that we're in a conference that we are with the quality coaches that we have. Well thanks so much for coming in. We'll be seeing you in about a week or so. When we come back, Marty will be with Coach Flippsy from Shiboy and Christian. Joining me is Christian, head basketball coach Brett Flippsy. Brett thanks a lot for coming out on this evening. It's really bad weather out there people when we're taping this show.  You have three starters, one of them is picked to possibly be an all city player by the end of the year and I know the basketball Bible has you picked at finishing second in the conference. How do you feel about your squad and the conference race? You know pre-season, we always have a great team pre-season and when you look at the basketball Bible that's really a nice thing to look at in the pre-season but it doesn't mean anything. We haven't played a game yet. We do have some nice players returning and we have a very deep squad this year and that's one thing that I really look forward to coaching and I think one of the biggest issues that we're going to have is our experience. Will the seniors be able to take us? How far will they be able to take us? How quickly will the juniors be able to step up and contribute? Now this next question you could take a couple different ways and I say what are your obstacles to winning the conference? It could be the other teams, it could be an internal kind of a thing but what do you see as obstacles to your team taking a conference championship this year? Again, looking at it in the pre-season our conference is very tough top to bottom. You've got your Ousberg, your Howard's Grove, Sheboygan Lutherans but don't look past the Cedar Groves and random lakes and not to let anyone else out. Our biggest obstacle is our experience. How quickly are the juniors going to be up to speed? We've got some very talented juniors. Again, they were 17 and 3 last year as a squad but how quickly are they going to develop into varsity basketball players and how many of them will be able to contribute? So that's one of the biggest obstacles. We can only do what we can do. We'll come up and face any team we can. We'll do what's best for us. One of the kids I mentioned earlier in our segment here was Justin Simmons and he's quite a ball player for your squad last year. Why don't you talk a little bit about him and what he brings to the table for your squad? Justin is a very heady point guard. We're actually going to move him to off guard this year because we need his points. We'd like to move him to a position where he can actually get more looks. A very strong player, plays within himself. As you'll see if you watch us play, probably one of the best defensive ball players you'll see in the conference. Not guy that's going to lead the conference in steals but is always in the right spot. He's always trying to make other players around him better. Just a joy to coach as a kid. He's always willing to work hard for you, be at every practice and give everything he's got for the team. Those are the kinds of kids that really bring a lot to the table in terms of leadership. Yeah, absolutely. And again, Justin is only one part of our core. We've got a good group of kids coming back. Let's talk about your two big guys inside. That's Tyler Veldkamp and Vinny Adams. A couple of big guys. That's part of the reason why prognosticators are picking you high in the standings. What do those players offer? Well, we've got a nice sized team. We're not real huge. We don't have the 6'9", 6'8", kids. But Vinny and Tyler are going to be a force down low. But the nice part about their games is they can also step outside. We've got a couple other nice sized kids that can fill in down there. And maybe we can move. If one of the big kids are garden, Tyler or Vinny, they can move outside. They're good, complete players. They can play inside. They're strong kids. And they can take you outside and be a force with the ball. You're two wins away from 100 at Christian. What does that mean? Oh, it's nice. It's nice to hear that. I don't really keep stats that way. I didn't know that until you told me before we went on the air. That's a nice accomplishment. It just means that it doesn't mean that anything good has happened. It just means I've been there long enough. Coach, I want to thank you for stopping out on this mean night. It's been a pleasure talking to you. It was a great interview. I'm glad when I get the opportunity to do it. When we come back, Chris is going to have North High basketball coach Tom Desatel. I'm here with coach Desatel from Sheboyga North. Coach, congratulations on another conference championship last year. It wasn't too easy, but it looks like a little bit of a reloading year this year. Well, we lost a lot of good players off of last year's team. There's no question on that. When you lose your top five, six, maybe even seven players. It's a year that we remember because we had those guys with us a long time. Do you ever get nervous about playing such younger kids? I know they play a lot in the summer and that experience helps a little bit. Do you get worried when the season starts? I'm worried that they're worried. I've got to build that confidence with them every day in practice. We've got to be testing them. We've got to be challenging. We've got to give them drills that make things more difficult for them than they are in regular games if we possibly can't. I see that the Raider Shootout again this year. You've got some outstanding teams again. Well, it usually does us some good to play teams that we figure to be better than us. The Raider Shootout has been one in which we've won one. Raider Shootout championship in the last six years. In the G1 year, we had three Wisconsin Badger football players on the same team. One that recovered the winning fumble in one of the game, Eric Strickland, and then along Snapper and then, of course, Joe Thomas. So that toughened us up a little bit as did last year where we played Depeer who lost one game last year and a year before that. We just bring in good teams. I see you also have a little trip down to Illinois as well. We're going to play a team in Illinois. I was planning on playing a team that wound up being the Illinois State Champion and they've got their top player back and he's going to Duke. The coach is a good friend of mine and we're going to play him actually in Milwaukee and then that didn't work out. We wound up playing a team that he felt would be very competitive. They keep getting asked to go to national type things as well. I see the conference this year maybe is not as strong as it's been in the past but it'd be probably a wrong thing to say that it's not going to be very competitive. It's going to be extremely competitive. Well, I don't know. I think this year we return more top players, all conference players from the previous year than we did any other year and unfortunately for us, they're not north players. They're opponents. We've got a player at Green Bay Southwest. We've got two starters that weren't all conference but two starters from Sheboygan South. Senator Walk's got some honorable mention kids that were all conference. We've got an all conference player at Preble and we've got the defending conference champion with us, Notre Dame. We'll have some competition there from outstanding players with experience. Green Bay West may have the most returning and we didn't even mention them. I think the conference is going to be extremely close. This year might possibly be the last year of a north-south game at the Armory. Any final thoughts about that? Well, it's going to be something missing I think for the citizens of Sheboygan. I certainly hope that they understand the importance of getting tickets to this final game. We've had some spouses meet at the Armory for the first time. We've read about that in the newspaper. I know it's been a large part of my life for 60-some games now so that's how long I've been around and some of the north-south games were certainly memorable but we also had memorable games. We won a conference championship against Green Bay East one year when we couldn't get our gym down there. We played a memorable game with Usberg in which the place was sold out and we played a memorable game with Kohler there. So there's a lot of memories down there and fortunately for us they've been successful ones so from that perspective I enjoy playing at the Armory. Any kids that we can look for this year, you know, maybe stepping up for you this year with your squad? I think we're always secure in having some seniors to build around. We've got Dave Moss, Brad Schmitz, we've got TJ Ingalls. We've got several seniors, some of whom I didn't mention but we also got some exciting players with skill and those are younger players. They're sophomores. Every day the coaches keep coming to tell me, boy, those kids are skilled. They're really skilled and they've kind of opened the eyes of the other people in the gym that these kids can play and so we may be seeing some floor time for four sophomores and we have to see how that develops as the year wears on as well. Just some final comments, coach.  Any comments on those gentlemen? Well, I'm going to try and get down to see these guys whenever I can. We have 11 kids playing college sports now that played basketball at North. One's playing soccer, two of them are playing football but eight are playing basketball currently and I think that's really a testimonial to why I'm still coaching because we've had some fine, fine athletes come out of Sheboygan. Kids that have continued their career playing for the University of Wisconsin, Sheboygan, we have two. We have two at Lakeland. We have one at Cardinal Stritch, one at Lake Forest, one at Platteville. Who did I forget? I forgot one of them. But we've got eight of them. We've got one playing soccer. We've got two playing football. So that's pretty exciting to follow and I think we're just as proud, though, of the kids that are going on and continuing their careers with continuing education. Well, thanks so much, Coach, for coming in and we look forward to seeing your squad in the next couple of weeks. When we return, Marty will be with Coach Schultz from, excuse me, Sheboygan South. He is the new head basketball coach at Sheboygan South. Tim Schultz, Tim, thanks a lot for coming in and being a part of our program. As you step into this job over at South, what are the biggest challenges for you? Well, I think the biggest challenge is on a personal level is just stepping up a division and coaching bigger conference. More kids going on for the teams. Like an extra freshman team that I wasn't used to. Assistant coaches getting everybody together. Challenge-wise, I don't think there's anything big and large in front of me besides the fact that South's coming in this year with not a lot of experience. We're starting with a brand-new kind of philosophy on some different things that were done in the past. There are some kids that are there that have been built up. That Coach Coopman did a great job of building the younger kids up that are ready to play varsity ball this year. Now, many of our viewers may not realize you teach in Plymouth, seventh and eighth grade, and yet you're driving to Sheboygan. Now, this is really the same situation you were in last year. You were driving over to New Holstein. What are some of the challenges in that kind of a situation? Well, for the last four years I did that when I was at New Holstein. So I'm kind of used to some of the challenges. But the main thing is just time, just budgeting. Being able to and have an understanding staff that I work with at the school that I'm at, allowing me to leave maybe a little bit earlier. I do have to show up a little bit earlier, school in the morning, which can be rough if you're playing a night game. But just a time issue. Also, having to have to communicate with South Building on different things, announcements. And the staff there has been great. Coach Peter Koutzer, who's a JV coach this year, is on staff. And he's been wonderful. People in the office have been great. So it's just balancing everything out. And at New Holstein I had it down in that South. It's relearning it again and how they go through the process. Now, you mentioned before about style of play in that you're changing some things with the way Coach Kutman did it. What are your plans in terms of style of play, what you plan to install, and who do you see even filling some of those roles? I know it's early. Right. Well, being early, it's hard to say who's going to fill what roles. But it's going to be more of an up-tempo. People are on here to be more familiar with the Sheboygan Moore style. But it's different than that. Somewhat similar. We want to play faster. All of our games we'd like to get into the 65, 70-point range if we can, ideally 60 points. Trapping, full court, half court. Looking to run up and down the floor. Develop some three-point shooting. Those would be some areas that guys have to get used to. And right now I can't pinpoint exactly. I have one returning starter and I'm at Hemsing and you can look at him as being type of a leader for the team. And some other seniors. Jamal Johnson has been playing very well early on in practice. Mike Weber and Andy Lancer being a returning player as well. Kind of going with their experience. Matt is your lone returning starter. And he didn't do a lot of scoring last year. And I know that's going to be a key element. If you want to play the up-tempo style, who do you see as players putting the ball in a hole for you? Well, I think the guys that I mentioned, like Jamal Johnson has been shooting very, very well early on. His legs have been underneath him. Mike Weber as well, which I don't think he felt was a very good shooter last year. Hemsing has been doing it. Lancer, he has a little bit of the football going on in him right now, but it's so early that that'll go away quick. In fact, his practice tonight, the shot was coming around. So those guys would be the guys, the key guys I would look at right now are scoring some points. Zach Tuket was another one that's played well. And just randomly kind of think of guys. And right now we have 12 guys that have made the varsity team. One guy was injured right now, but I plan on playing like 10 of them at a time. And you just kind of stepped into my next question.  And I think a lot of times parents feel like, well, my child isn't starting, you know, there's something wrong. But there's something to be said for kids playing minutes and playing at key times. Right.  But if I pull you out after one minute, what does that mean? It's all of a team type of thing. And if everyone's going to be able to play and get some minutes and get up and down the floor, that's the key point. And with our style of play is exactly right. I mean, you have to look at if we want to play that up-tempo where we want to tire a team out in the fourth quarter, we need 10 guys playing all the time. And by doing that, it allows playing 10 guys and playing up-tempo allows minutes for guys. Instead of sitting on a bench for six, seven minutes or a quarter at a stretch, you know you're going to be playing. You know you're going to be loose. You know you're going to be out there. Okay. Tim, I want to thank you for stopping in. All the best of luck over at South High. When we come back, Chris and I are going to wrap up this evening's program. So stay tuned. We'll be right back. Well, Chris, we've got all the interviews in the books now. Let's talk a little bit about our feelings on the upcoming season and some of the things that I had mentioned in the opening that we were going to talk about. Let's start off with some impact underclassmen that are going to be playing at the high schools this year. Well, I think there's a few. Andy Lancer, of course, we know him from the football season. He's over at Sheboygan South. He's a big kid. And he's one of those kids that's just a multi-athlete type player. He can do so many different things. I definitely think he's got to have a large impact for South to have any success this season. Watch for the super sophomores over at Sheboygan North. Timmy Schuyer, TJ Kellner and Andy Irick. They've worked a lot, very hard this summer on their game. And we'll see if those guys, first of all, make the club and then see their impact. They all have different roles. TJ is more of a slasher. Timmy is a shooter. And Andy is more of a banger inside. Some other kids to watch for a little bit, not necessarily in the city, but in other places. Andrew Zimmerman and Albert Usberg is one of the best players in the area. And Christian Wolfe is growing to six foot eight out at Kohler. Another tall wolf. Yeah, he's a load. We watched him a little bit last year. He's really worked on his game.  And he might really have an impact out there at Kohler. Let's talk a little bit about All City. And I think Andy Lancer was one of the players mentioned in the basketball Bible that came out recently. Who are some other players that you see possibly being All City? Well, we'll just go a little bit with what the Wisconsin State yearbook did. You know, they mentioned Matt Hemsing, who played last year with Sheboygan South. He's going to be one of the point guards out there. He had a very nice soccer season. Rob Canins, one of the returning players at Sheboygan North from that team that won conference and, you know, they've lost a great deal of players as well. At Christian, you have Justin Simmons. He averaged 12 points a game last year for them. So he'll be definitely an impact player. And there's no question, I think the player of the conference or excuse me, the city will be Johnny Decker. 20 plus points per game. And as Coach Decker mentioned, he's worked very hard on his footwork and his ball handling. So I think he's going to be maybe the player of the city. One of the things that Todd didn't allude to that I think is coming up this year and should happen, provided there aren't any injuries, John should set a new record for scoring in the city. Yeah. I mean, it's just, he's been exciting and he started as a freshman coming up every single season to play in. I believe he's taken light palm spot, right? That's right, Nick. He has the current city holder. So we'll see if, pending injury, if he gets it, you know he's going to get enough shots. Todd will make sure that. Let's talk a little bit about the conference races, Chris, and let's start off with the Central Lakeshore Conference. I know the basketball yearbook predicts Usberg and Sheboygan Christian. Second, how do you see it? I think, as I mentioned with talking with Todd, I think on any given night, teams are going to knock each other off. I really think that the upper five teams are really going to be tough and Howard returns a lot of players as well. I got to go with Usberg too for right now just because of their front line. They're looking for some guard play in the situation, but I wouldn't be surprised if Christian or Lutheran or any one of these other city teams to compete with Usberg. If they can get them going early, we'll see what happens. I think a big tilt will be that Christian and Luther game right off the bat. I was thinking too with Lutheran, they got the big horse and John Decker. You never know and he might go off for 30, even 40 points, and it's pretty nice to have that on your side when you're going up against a team like Usberg. Yeah, and they got a lot of size too. Let's talk a little bit about the Fox River Valley Conference. One of the things that was just almost jaw-dropped down is when I saw Green Bay West pick to take the conference this year. Yeah, I coach these when these guys are freshman. I remember they had a player named Orlando Anderson who's now a senior, and they were really tough. Boy, I don't know. That's another race that's going to be really close. I don't think there's any standout. Basketball teams are going to be heads and shoulders above everybody else. I think North will be right in there with the consistency of the program and the things they do over the summer. I would not take anything away from Manitowoc or even Green Bay Notre Dame to come out of there. Does South stand a chance of having an impact in a conference? I don't know if they have enough players to play right now in there. I think it's going to be a learning experience for them. I think Hemsing and Lancer are going to be definitely keys there. Let's take North. What a shock. I'll take North also. Central Lakeshore, you have Usberg. I'm going to take Sheboygan Christian, so we'll see how that pans out. By the way, I think Chris won out in the football predictions this year. I maybe should have went not with Usberg. First of all, Chris, thank you for joining me on the show. It's been great. I want to thank you people for watching. Stay tuned to TV8. We have a full schedule of games coming up with high school and college. Our first game is coming up. We can't wait to do it. Thanks again for watching, everybody. We'll see you down the road.


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they got the whole setup right here baby back for bag number two oh okay i got this one in these two boxes right here all right thank you and as you can see we got this joint strapped up that's time for the guard here running up look look this is our water we had this joint it froze all of them all these ones back here froze baby so when they get warmer i guess they go unthought but it's time for us to ball and not stall let's go how are you doing i'm living the dream i woke up this morning at least it's a little warmer than it was yesterday yeah yesterday it was freezing it's still cold though but hey yeah we came from playing it was like felt like negative 40 yesterday so yesterday was so bad oh man it was brutal yeah and then it finally comes on yeah that's what happens when we live in illinois yeah that's why everybody want to get out of here it's plus the taxes the taxes the taxes though it the taxes don't help the tolls yep i had to take a photo and i'm good to go you could be here you could be here you ain't got to look John let me anybody be in the photo if they want to you sure step back in the photo and i'm good to go thank you very much you have a good one sir now just so you guys know those two orders were on two different days the first order we did was yesterday now yesterday we did our drop off route and we did that order in the morning and then today we only had to deliver order we set around for like one well we look he said around for like two and a half hours and we did not get any orders we put in a bunch of bills from lows they try to have me go from illinois to michigan i was definitely one doing it so we couldn't get that so we really didn't make them money today so it is what it is we ain't complaining we maintaining we don't keep on doing our thing and getting this change now this is going to happen sometimes in this business i need you guys to understand that you are not going to always have home runs you're not going to always have 500 plus days 400 plus days 300 plus days now if you're doing the if you're doing a gig apps it's not gonna happen like that i'm just letting you know right now for the most part you're not going to have high paying days all of the time if you have your dedicated about doing the same thing every day boom boom boom get bits like that then you are going to make your minimum of however much you make doing that dedicated route i want the money not the cloud and then you can add the gig apps on top of that i do recommend you guys use the gig apps as a supplement you don't have this does not have to be your only thing you do you have to have as many strings of income came coming in as possible you can do the the gig apps dedicated routes carry coming i'm talking about get as many things as you can to find out what you like the most and what makes you the most money like it ain't funny now we're gonna get into some very important information and honestly this is something that i really do not want to do i don't want to do it but it has to be done i've been pushing this off and pushing this off and pushing this off and pushing this off this whole time for a long time a business partner been told me that we should do this but i'm like no i want to do it no i want to do it all i want to do it but i have learned over time that sometimes i should just listen to what she's saying because a lot of times she'd be trying to tell me we should do something and then i don't do it and then guess what end up costing us in the end because we could have made some money doing whatever we were doing or did some better videos whenever we was doing but i i want to be stubborn i want to do everything my way i ain't trying to do it i'm trying to do this so unfortunately guess what we will no longer be posting monday through friday on this channel anymore things are going to change we are going to change something hold on hold on hold on hold on trap first off hey i'll give what you said no i'll get you bad man you i get all that but guess what y'all ain't even been smashing that like button y'all ain't even been hitting that subscribe button y'all ain't even been not skipping ads y'all ain't been doing the stuff y'all supposed to be doing now y'all want me to do all this stuff the views been low it's just everything ain't been right so what we're gonna do is we're trying to make the channel better for the long haul so we can go out there and ball not start now with us not posting every single day well monday through friday on the channel anymore we're gonna post like two to three times a week with full video content like this to 10 minutes of 15 minute 20 minute videos um and then on other days the plan is to start doing more shorts comment below and let me know what you guys think about this i do know that the shorts are going to push it out to more people and the shorts are going to help us give more subscribers faster because again we're trying to get that 100,000 subscribers i need y'all i need y'all to be subscribers and slide with me baby so we that's the plan for that we plan on only posting two to three times a week and we're going to post more shorts now also i already changed the name of the other channel that we have we already had the other channel it was called down to chill i changed it from down to chill i changed it to rome's reviews now i need you guys to go right now and subscribe to that channel because we're also going to start posting on that channel more frequently i haven't posted on that joint in a long long time we're going to start doing some different type of stuff on here we're going to do like for the most part this is what we're coming up with i'm not sure if 100% we're going to do that but for the most part it seems like we're going to be doing different reviews on different stuff like sometimes i'm gonna check that they got this these things like you mix these three together in this water and it's gonna taste good so i'm gonna try stuff like that i'm just switching up a little bit so i need you guys to go subscribe to that channel i already know y'all know that i'm an animal so that's what's going on with the channel man i ain't gonna lie i really really really did not want to do this i really been pushing it off because first of all let me say this when we're supposed to money through sunday i'm like that's what i'm doing money money money money money money money money i'm talking about every single day we need to post every single day then we look at the algorithm and then we learn that saturdays and sundays views are very very low so we got to cancel saturday and sunday out now we're doing money through friday now we're learning now that friday videos are very very low it is the van talk but they should be at higher views this is what i think that's my personal opinion comment below let me know your opinion um also we are doing a grand finale for the van talk this friday it's the grand finale for season number one after season number one it's going to be some time before we do van talk again so you guys want to make sure you put your question in because it's going to be the end of season one so you go out and get it done and get those funds now again this is the decision that we had to make i didn't want to make it a decision but sometimes in life you need to do things that you don't want to do to get where you want to go and sometimes you might have to do a small drawback to go forward sometimes look sometimes you have to lose to win sometimes you got to lose a little bit to win hey i need you guys to stick around and stay down because it's definitely going down in 2024 you already know we're pulling up to score and get a pop like risco don't think this is going to be sweet baby we are about to go out here and get busy and i love that you guys are with me again i want to say i appreciate it every single one of you guys even the haters even the people that's hating on me and saying this saying that don't do this even them i appreciate you too so make sure you guys smash that like button also smash the subscribe button also don't forget to comment below let me know what do you think about the changes that we're going to be making to the channel but that's all i want to say we have to clap my baby i hope you guys enjoy this video again if you're not subscribed make sure to smash the subscribe button also give me a thumbs up make sure you lock in tomorrow because we're going back down because we ain't playing around because all 2024 all we're doing is pulling up to uh score get a pop like risco i will see you guys on the next one be going be going be flowing you already know it in dk and i'm on my way


we've gone from flight to train. Just practicing our transportation skills on this fine day. Good afternoon. I hope you're doing well. I'm just trying to stay off my feet. Rest. Have you trying to film? And if you remember my leg, give you an update on my leg soon. You know we're going to eat dinner soon, buddy. Time to wake up. That was a good, it's a good nap, buddy. Good nap. Good nap. Gotta wake up, though. Gotta wake up. We gotta make sure you sleep tonight. Zesty head. Okay, what was I doing? Yeah, I was gonna take the recycling out. Got my bone. Thank you, hun. Icing up. Icing up. It's working well. Working well. Put it right on the leg. I know, right? Tip of the day. Tip of the day. Here comes the tip of the day. Okay, if you are running a race, it's actually more important to carbohydrate up two days before, not just the night before a race. Capiche, the carbs, the glucose to get to especially long races. I don't, 5Ks, it's not as important, but anything over, you know, 10 miles, it's really important. 10K as well, but 10 miles, it's really important to get those carbs into your body earlier than just the night before. So then you can use them in the race and just burn them. Burn, baby, burn. So that's what we're doing. Toasting the bread, getting the spaghetti, putting it in my belly. Ah, that'll do, pig. Black or blue. We've got a couple ghosts on our hands. Are you guys ready for Halloween? Stop spinning.