I'm Vermont Secretary of State Jim Kondos. Thank you for coming to today's audit of the 2022 general election results. The audit is a process that is required by law to take place after every general election is one important way that we verify the accuracy and integrity of the tabulation of votes in Vermont. It provides the public with the peace of mind that our official results match the will of the people. In a moment, I will turn today's proceedings over to elections director Will Senning over here to discuss how the process will actually be conducted. Before doing so, I wanted to take a moment to recognize all of the hard work that went into the conduct of the 2022 general election. I've got new progressive glasses so I'm trying to get used to them. Before doing so, I want to take a moment to recognize all of that hard work by everyone. This election was the first one conducted under Vermont's new universal ballot mailing law. The process surrounded a ballot mailing to over 440,000 active registered voters and that's no easy or trivial feat. General, our elections team is small but mighty and they work around the clock to ensure these processes went smoothly and that both our municipal clerks and our Vermont voters had the support they needed for this election to be successful. I want to take a moment to recognize Will Senning, Tammy Sink, is Tammy here yet, Lori Bjornlin, JP Isabel and Dan Brown. Where's Dan? They are the backbone. They are the elections team, the smallest elections team in the country but they're very mighty. I also want to recognize our town and city clerks who are the hardest working people in municipal government. Over the years, our city and town clerks as our elections have become increasingly more complex from technological advances, cybersecurity, early processing of mail ballots and to ballot curing. They are stay on top of it. Their diligent work keeps the doors to democracy open for voters and I want to express my most sincere gratitude for all that they do. I also want to thank and recognize every Vermont voter who has helped grow democracy in Vermont by voting, the very basis of our democracy. This year, Vermont voters did set a new record for voter turnout in a midterm election. Furthermore, of the 191,000, almost 192,000 early and absentee ballots cast, only 809 were deemed defective. Of those, 492 were cured by voters under the new law, leaving only 317 defective ballots that were unable to be counted. That is a very, very low defective ballot rate of under .25%. Lastly, I want to say that serving as Vermont's chief election official for the last 12 years have been the greatest honor of my lifetime. Democracy runs in my veins, having the opportunity to lead Vermont and nationally on the voting rights in our civic processes have been an incredible privilege. I will always be proud of the number one national ranking that Vermont elections have in the MIT election performance index. And that goes back to presidential elections now. We managed to hold the highest voter turnout in Vermont history during a pandemic without forcing voters to choose between their health and their right to vote. We have consistently met these challenges to our elections process head on. We work to provide voters with trusted official information in the face of disinformation campaigns in the face of that were designed to weaken the confidence of our election system. We defended our election systems from foreign cyber threats. As many of you know, we had seen an intrusion attempt back in August of 2018 by the Russians. And shortly after we informed Department of Homeland Security, they issued within 24 to 36 hours a nationwide alert to all election offices. We bucked national trends by working with the legislature to pass and enact laws that make it easier for voters to exercise their constitutional right while also maintaining the integrity of our elections process. I'm proud of the work we've done in our brave little state, and I'm going to turn it over to Will. But before I do, I just want to recognize my deputy, Chris Winters, and our new election- our new Secretary of State, Sarah Copeland-Hanses, and her new deputy, Lauren Hibbert. With that, Will, the floor is yours. Thanks, Jim, and everybody here, and good morning, everybody. Thanks for coming. I was going to start with introductions, but Secretary Kondos just took care of that nicely. I'll just quickly say I was going to introduce him and the Deputy Secretary Winters and also Secretary of State-elect Sarah Copeland-Hanses and her new deputy, Lauren Hibbert, current and soon-to-be-former Director of the Office of Professional Regulation. And my team, Lori, JP, Dan, and Tammy are the members of the Elections Division staff here today. I'm Will Senning. I'm the Director of Elections in Vermont. I've been here as Director for almost 10 years now in the spring. And helping us conduct the audit today is the team from ClearBallot, who has been the vendor performing our post-election audits since, what, 2016, I think, Ira. Yep. And from ClearBallot today, we have Ira Margulis and Orion Marquesi. Thanks, you guys, for coming. I'm just going to really briefly talk a little bit about the process today so that those of you in the room understand what you're watching. Also, welcome, Thomas. I think this is Thomas' third or fourth post-election audit, at least. It's more than that. Yeah. So, like I said, well, I don't know if I said this yet. We've been conducting these post-election audits since 2006. That's at least as far back in my records as I can find records of audits. And it's approximately the time that tabulators, vote tabulators, started being used more widely across the state. Since 2006, the audits have very consistently, pretty much without exception, shown the results as tabulated on election night to be accurate. As with all vote counting processes, we'll come across slight discrepancies. What's great about these ClearBallot audits is the ability to kind of dig into the individual ballots and votes cast and see what might be causing any differences in tabulation that we might see today. In general, again, they've shown the tabulators used on election night to be extremely accurate, and we expect that to be the case today again. Just a little bit about the process specifically. I want everybody to know we're conducting this audit in accordance with Vermont statute, 17VSA 2493. A little bit of a language from that statute says the Secretary of State shall conduct a random post-election audit of any polling place election results for a general election within 30 days of the election, which I think we're just within that window. And if the Secretary finds that the audit indicates that there was possible fraud in the count or return of votes, he or she shall refer the results to the Attorney General for possible prosecution. Like I said, we've been lucky enough to not have to make any such referrals over the years conducting these audits. In accordance with the statute as well, a administrative rule was adopted regarding post-election audits. I want to say right around 2016 when we started doing the process with Clear Ballot, I think just in advance of that. And just a few provisions from that rule that, again, will explain some of what you're seeing today. We're required to randomly select at least six towns this year and last year we have done seven. In fact, we have six tabulator towns and one hand count town to audit today. Quickly, we are going to. So I'm just going to quickly read through the comparison and if we find some discrepancies we can dig into them. I don't think I need that. So I will read the results from the audit which is over on the right and folks can track. That's the official return of votes signed by the election officials in Dover on the left. And so for the first constitutional amendment proposal to the audit found 565 yes and 67 no, which matches in 68 blank votes. The audit software reports those as under votes is just nomenclature. So that's a match. For proposal five we have 512 yes and 145 no in the audit which is a match and 43 blank votes. So those are both matches and if Orion can now scroll up to the top of the PEF for page two. U.S. Senator and for U.S. Senator. So actually like you said I wind up more with the image cast precincts. These are going to line up exactly candidates. So we have Mark Coaster with nine in the audit. Natasha Diamond-Sung-Hoo with 12. Stephen Duke with one. Don Mariellis with nine. Chris Erickson with five. Gerald Malloy with 208. Kerry Rahib with five. Peter Welch with 440. One write-in, one over vote and nine blank votes. And so the only change there is one less blank vote counted as a write-in by the clear ballot software. If we could look at that ballot that would be great and my guess can I guess is that the oval was filled in with no name which would have been recorded by the clerk as a blank. Or it was fictional. Or a fictional or a dead, exactly. No name written in so the clerk's record that as a blank vote and it shifts into the blank column. You want to? No, no, well wait, we'll keep going. We don't got all that. For rep to Congress from the audit, I see Becca Ballant with 442. Matt Dresville with nine. Liam Madden with 188. Adam Ortiz six. Eric Heretic 32. Luke Talbot six. One write-in and 16 blanks, no over votes. That's a exact match. For Governor Peter Duvall eight. Kevin Hoyt 20. Bernie Peter seven. Phil Scott 474. Brenda Siegel 178. Three write-ins. And nine blanks, one over vote. So we can look at those. The Phil Scott number fills down by one on the audit result guessing that his name was written in. So it's like. Oh yeah, you're probably going with the write-in. Yeah, check that write-in vote again and I think you're gonna see. Oh, well that was it right there. This isn't over. So yeah, that's actually a vote for Phil. Even though it got recorded, that's a vote. And you guys read it, that's an over. So that's where your overvote's coming from that we didn't have. And there's the extra vote for Phil. And the extra vote for Phil. And then I think there's a write-in. And a more write-in. Yeah, we have two, he has two, and you guys have three, I believe. And there's a blank right there. And there's your blank right there. And were the overvotes? Yeah, they were the overvotes. We didn't have. Here, so let me pull that back on. We're 10, exactly. And they're nine for you guys. That was the one we looked at before, right? Yeah. Phil Scott vote. Yeah. All right. Lining up. For Lieutenant Governor Joe Benning, 259. Ian Diamondstone, 37. David Zuckerman, 375. We have five write-ins from Clear Ballot. And 24 blank snow overvotes. Those are, again, going to be probably two blank write-ins, that's my guess. Or that are fictitious. And a Donald Duck, which is recorded as a blank also. Sorry, Donald. State Treasurer Hbrook, page 224. Mike P. Check, 449. Four write-ins. No overvotes, 23 blanks. Should be a blank write-in. As we start seeing more of the Donald Duck, this guy really wanted Donald Duck to serve in some particular office. Auditor of accounts. Oh, did I skip one? I did. Secretary of State, sorry. Sarah Copeland-Hanses, 435. Hbrook, page 234. Two write-ins, no overvotes, and 29 blanks. Who wants to guess? Donald Duck. Yes. Four, auditor of accounts. Doug Hoffer, 398. Rick Morton, 265. No write-ins, no overvotes, 37 blanks. They didn't think Donald should be an auditor. Attorney General, Charity Clerk, 430. Michael Tagliavia, 231. Four write-ins, no overvotes, 35 undervotes. Bart Simpson. Again, you guys are following that these are moved to the blank votes, causing the ORV to have one more blank and one less write-in. And that's by state law. State Senator, we have March poster, 33. Wendy Harrison, 373. Nadir Hashim, 299. Rick Kenyon, 162. Rick Morton, 156. Tim Wessel, 126. One write-in, no overvotes, 250 blanks. Can you read Kenyon again, please? Rick Kenyon was 162. I heard it differently than the others. So there was a difference, though. Wasn't there Nadir? We had one more Nadir. Not had one last write-in. Not her, sorry. No problem. So remind me, did you guys have one more? Yeah. Yeah. So they must have removed that one, because of order 10? Yeah. And then there was difference in write-in. Because it was a vote for two. There it is. So they didn't fill out the oval. Didn't fill out the oval, you guys didn't pick it up. But the clerks would record that. So for state rep, Laura Sebelia, 503. George Wilson-Wartzberg, 162. No write-ins. No overvotes, 35 blanks. That's a match. Probably judge Jody French, 533. 10 write-in. No overvotes, 157 undervotes. Donald Duck. Archie Bocher. Mike. Sounds like Archie was actually given that vote. And the blank was in the other one. Someone wasn't familiar with it. You never know. Maybe there's an Archie bunker out there and what he's doing. But he's not ridden on here. So assistant judge, Lamont Barnett, 259. Sorry. Mildred Berry, 239. Carolyn Partridge, 380. Three write-ins. No overvotes, 519 under Donald Duck. It's probably the same ballot someone wrote in on. It is, the whole way. Get in there, state's attorney. Tracy Kelly Shriver, 508. Nine write-ins. No overvotes, 183 blank. Two more. Switched, was that, between blank and write-ins? Yeah. Or Bart Sheriff. Mark Anderson, 516. Seven write-ins. No overvotes, 177 blank. Was that two again? McDonald's and Donald Duck. Last but not least, hi, Bailiff. Angela Lawrence, 506. Six write-ins. No overvotes, 188 blank. They read that last one. Excellent. I should have said before, I'll say now, we're going to put together comparative spreadsheets of the audit results and the official return of vote that we'll post on the website following the audit. But that's a very successful run for Dover. Congrats to Andy and his team. We'll close the bag and we'll move on to the next town. Proposal two is a yes. Proposal five is a yes. For US Senator Peter Mulch. For Representative Becca Ballott. For Lieutenant Governor David Zuckerman. I'm sorry. For Governor Phil Scott. David Zuckerman. For State Treasurer Mike Pichek. For Secretary of State Sarah Koblin-Hanses. Doug Toffer. Attorney General Charity Clark. State Senator Tom Chippen. Virginia Lyons. And Keisha Rom Hinsdale. For State Rep Tiffany Blumlee. And Gabrielle Steves. Probate Judge Greg Lennon. Assistant Judge Suzanne Brown. Connie Ramsey. State's Attorney Sarah George. Dan Gandalin of Blank. Hyde-Bailiff James Mallon. For Justices of the Peace. Roderick Boliard. And I think that's all I see. This is the school bond for Burlington. Yes. Yeah, I'm ready. There's no green line there. Oh, sorry. We're just... Is it? Yeah, it's a little off. It looks just like it's not. It's one of the names skewed. This is the color of that at the top.  So the proposal two is yes. Proposal five is yes. Oh, I see what you're saying. Yeah, it went in. Oh, yeah. For US Senator Peter Welch. For Rep Becca Ballant. For Governor Phil Scott. For Lieutenant Governor Zuckerman. For Secretary of State Hanses. Oh, can you see the treasurer? Oh, the treasurer's above it. Yeah. Yeah. Do we have the actual ballot? Is it not showing the back? Well, it's not showing the... State treasurer. There's one race up here. Let's fold it over. You can see State treasurer just above the fold. Oh, I see what's happening. It's folded over itself. It's such a short race. Yeah. So were the ballots put away with the target cards on top of it? Oh. So the target cards were pulled out before they were put back in the box. Let's make note of the fact that we couldn't read the State treasurer race on this ballot. Then it'll be on Friday. Okay, come on. All right, so for... You've got Hanses. So for Secretary of State. Hanses? Yeah. Baudder of Accounts, Hoffer. Attorney General, Charity Clark. State Senator, Chittin, Lyons, and Instale. State Rep, Blumlee, and Stevens. Probate Judge, Greg Lennon. Assistant Judge, Brown, and Ramsey. State Attorney, George. Sheriff, Gantlin. High Bailiff, Malin. For Justices of the Peace. You ready? Yep. Alsoff, Bergman, Bericious. Gina, Code, Franz, Gerlach, Cousin, Hightower, Crosney, Lueck, McGee, and Newbizer. Yeah, there's a few more. Schneider, and Sortino, Squirtino. Last one. And for the school bond, no. That's out, so we go in a separate ballot. Yeah, we'll go in that one. Okay, so I'll just choose the one by one ballot then. Not Vodafone. He doesn't have one of these in there. It was a solid waste district ballot. Oh, okay, am I just clicking the same one over and over again? You might be, yeah. I'm just clicking the same one over and over again. I'm just saying. So this is, what ballot style is it? 16. Ready? I'm ready. Prop two, yes. Prop five, yes. US Senator Peter Welch, Repp, back to ballot. Governor Phil Scott, Lieutenant Governor Blank, State Treasurer, Peechak, Secretary of State, Hansis, Blank for Auditor, Attorney General Clark, State Senator, Chittman, Lyons, Hinsdale, State Rep, Bloomley-Stevens, Pro-Mate Judge, Glennon, Assistant Judge, Brown and Ramsey, State's Attorney, George, Sheriff, Gamblin, High Bailiff, Major, Four Justices of the Peace, Alemick, Boliard, Berishas, Champagne, Compton, Ellis. You missed Berishas. No, I said Berishas. No, I don't think I missed it. Oh, I missed Berishas. No, I missed it. I missed it. Andrew Champagne, too. All right. Compton, Ellis. Okay, Ellis you got. So George, Cooper, Cranick, Feld, Lefebhe, Lorber, Lorber, Rappaport, Attle Roof, Stone, and Travers. Travers, School Bond, no. Ready? Yep. Prop two, yes. Prop five, yes. For US Senator, Patrick Rahid Heave, for Congress, Matt Druzebott, for Lieutenant Governor, Benning. You missed Governor. Oh, I'm sorry. Peter Gubow, Benning, Mike P. Check, Kansas, Blank, Blank, for State Senator Lyons, Blank, I see nothing but Blanks, except for, You scroll down, make sure there's no writings. Yep. Okay. And a yes vote on the bond. Okay. And is that one that's up there with no ballot? Yeah. The one that's up here is this one. Right, okay. Now you got it. We're all set? Yeah, I'm on report. It is going to be all covered. It's all under here. Yeah. It's under, on the scan, yes. Got it. It's likely what? Well, a folded ballot, and then I think one of those was a local prop ballot that, and that's why we flaunt it. The verbal's right. Right. Yeah. Let's see. So it looks like it's actually gonna fall. It feels like it glances away too much. Do you know how to turn it like that? Right there. It's a stage like so. It's a bottom. Okay. Right, this one's set off. Yep. It's a bottom. Okay, Lord. Yeah. They didn't have to whistle it, but for a little while. That's nice. Mom, I've never remembered my sandwich. The last step they did. You should have told me it would make sure. Yeah, it looks like the total number goes to be off by one. Could you read your part? It didn't know what it was reading to if there were two together, right? At all. It was like that. It was the target. Who's gonna have to split away on top of the dial? We could have just rescanned that one batch. Yeah. But because we got a roll now, we could have rescanned everything. In about 15 minutes or two. But could you have identified the batch that that was there? Yes. And it was less than that. Yeah. You gotta make sure you take out the digital inches it's taking so that, say, 24, 22 was on top of that batch. It means every image, 22 dash one, 22 dash two. So you can go back and find them. Once that's done, of course, you can go back and find them. Yeah, I think that's what we're gonna do. No. So we're gonna go through the results from Burlington, Chittenden 13. And we know at the outset here that we scanned one less ballot than was reported on election night. It may have been a duplicate that was grabbed by the machine and not rejected as the vast majority of those are so that we can see that. But out of 4,018 ballots, being off by one is not uncommon. It's pretty good. So we'll account for that with any discrepancies in the totals we read here. For the, so I'll start with the constitutional amendments for Prop two from the audit. We've got yes, set 3,666. No at 147. And no overvotes and 204 blank votes. Two less, yes. Two more, yes. Yeah, that's, if you look at the oval density and those last two, see it says 12% oval density. An image cast machine is set to not read anything lower than a 30% oval density. So we picked up the mark where they didn't. That's the two, yeah. Right, the two more, yeses. The ballot because the X, right? This S is just a regular X. Right, so we're gonna try to hold this up. So it looks like that's how they did the ballot. That's fine. Tabulators are set for 30%. So for proposal five, I used to use tabulators. 33,518, yes, 338, no, no overvotes and 161 blank. Either of those two. Yeah, it would have been very light. Yeah. It's just less than 30%. That was two different on the blanks too, so those are those. For Senator, on the audit scan, we had Mark Coaster, nine, Natasha, Dynaston Cahoot, 23, Steven Duke, three, Don Ellis, 55, Chris Erickson, eight, Gerald Malloy, 297, Kari Patra Grab, five, Peter Welch, 3,528, 21 write-ins and one overvote, 67 blank. We're missing one, that's the one ballot. Yep, missing ballot, accounts for Donna Marie Ellis's. Up to Congress, PECA Ballant 3377, Matt Dresba, 67, Liam Madden, 325, Adam Ortiz, 10, Eric Heretic, 114, Luke Talbot, 16, 11 write-ins, three overvotes, 94 blank, excuse me. The missing ballot was blank for that race, it looks like. For Governor, Don Peter DuVall, 36, Kevin Hoyt, 10, Bernie Peters, eight, Phil Scott, 21, 44, Brenda Siegel, 16, 54, 23 write-ins, two overvotes, 140 undervotes. Right, other one. Yep, the missing one is Phil Scott, vote. We're turning Governor, Joe Benning, 733, Ian Dunn, 797, David Zuckerman, 20, 52, 49 write-ins, zero overvotes, 286 blanks. Again, looks like that missing ballot contained Brenda Siegel's vote. Or no, excuse me, Zuckerman. State Treasurer, we have age for page 403. Mike Kijak, 3,373, 13 write-ins, two overvotes, 226 blank. Missing Benning was for who? Mr. Meeche. Secretary of State, Sarah Gopeland-Hondes, 3,335, age for page 410, 15 write-ins, zero overvotes, 257 blanks. Missing blank for that ballot. Auditor, Doug Hopper, 3315, Richard Morton, 403, 13 write-ins, zero overvotes, 287 blank. Another blank vote from the missing ballot. For Attorney General Charity Clark, 3,356, Michael Tagliabia, 430, 13 write-in, zero overvote, 218 blanks. So it looks like we are one over at Tagliabia, so we'll go out there. Open up the one with the X. Yes, I can. I think that's the one that stated all the X's. Same ballot and it looks like that was recorded as blank on election night. That's there, which would give us 219 and then we're missing the blank. The missing was the blank, yep. There it is. For State Senator, No. Who's that? Did you guys vote for the State Senator? Oh, there it is. There it is. It's just in a weird order. Sorry about that. No problem. For State Senator in the eye, we had Thomas Jinden, 3,082, Jindy Lyons, 3,065, Keisha Rom Hinsdale, 2,880, Dean Rowland, 446, Rohan St. Marthy, 335. What do we have there? 41 write-ins, zero overvotes, 2,202 blanks. Two extra for Keisha. Least, most to least confident. Yeah, so you always kind of look at the order of follow instructions. You look at the end of the last couple. It's usually in there. Two more blanks and that would be 2,204. Yeah. Yeah. Look at those last two ballots on. Yep. Could we go back to those Rom Hinsdale? Yes, please. And blow up the ballots on us. Yep. So they filled in most other places. It's interesting. Thought about it and then stopped. Yeah, I can see what it's like. Yeah. I can see what you're counting. That's a very interesting mark. Yeah. It's a very interesting, unique mark. You don't see that every day. You all look at the other one. Yep. It's almost like they started to fill it. Yeah. And it stopped. And then stopped and realized it was not the one they wanted. It's almost like the same thing here. That one's definitely, to me, more clear is definitely a border intent. Yeah. And they put these through the scanner and then didn't flag them as needing to be reviewed or hand counted. That's what we end up with. So, Thomas, I don't know if you've heard Ira here say that the scanners, the tabulators go to about 30% of the shading, whereas this gets even lower. Yeah, we do like 10 in the last couple of times. State draft, Tiff, Lumley, 3083, Tom Locatus, 607, Gabrielle Stebbins, 2863, 35, 35 write-ins, two overvotes, and 1,444 blank. Vote for two. Right. Two missing one ballot that was blank voted. Yep. Good call. Oh, they judge. Gregory J. Glenn in 2824, 28 write-ins, one overvote, 1,165 blanks. So it was missing a, the missing ballot out of blank focus. That's very realistic. Okay. Assistant judge. Suzanne Brown, 2,593, Connie King-Ramsey, 2,561, 37 write-ins, zero overvotes, 2,843 blanks. That's a vote for two also. So it had one for Connie and one blank. You reminded me to look at that. State's attorney. State's attorney. We had Sarah George with 2879, 214 write-ins, one overvote, and just lost my place. 923 undervotes. Yeah, because it was two different in the blanks. Yeah, so. There you go. Right at the bottom. That's where we picked that. You guys counted that. Wow. We'll do the rest for that one. Filled in the rest pretty well. And then the missing ballot was blank. Who's the other one? For Sheriff Dan Gamlin, 2,661, write-ins, zero overvote, 1,295 blanks. Excuse me. Some write-ins, a lot moved to blank. What's for the other one? What's that, Bayless? Salaski. Oops. Nice one. Roll tide, abolish the police, defund the police. That sure does. You can't go to what you can't call them. Sorry, Jessica's, I think. So, Jess Oskie. Yeah. And above that, you've gone. There are two more up the gun. Abolish the police. What are you looking at, Thomas? Jessica Oskie. Jessica Oskie. How did they get counted for the store Jessica Oskie's? For a box. Yeah, for one. How did they get counted in the testimony? I see 10 recorded on this Orbee for her. Oh, she's got some of the first problems as well. Yeah, there's quite a few there. I think those non-countable names account for the difference that we're looking at. Seem that there may have been more than the difference. I would explain that by their two different sets of election officials looking at the two different wards who may have been more or less careful about moving those write-in names to blanks. Anybody write any of those terms in here? Abolish the police on there. There's an abolish the police on here, right, Tammy? There's a blank entry here. I'm not gonna take the time to do all the math on those right now, I'm sure that's where it's accounted for. We can tell Sarah to remind her counters that those don't need to be reported like that. Hi, Bailiff. Michael Major, 21-13. James Malin, 610. 34 write-ins. One overvote, 1,259 blank. That's a good clean one where the blank gets your ballot. And that's it. So that also was a really nice job by the Burlington election officials. I forget which two wards it is, but Chittenden 13 crosses two wards. And we're most likely believe that the missing ballot is a result of a scanning error here today. Thanks, I wanted to finish Burlington by noon, and we did. Gonna get 94 this time? Yeah. Nice. Nice having you on the screen. Oh, it's already up there. Six. Will, can you get the lights really down? It's good. Okay. Just one thing, thank you. Yeah. That's all right. The first one, do we have any idea why the count was up? It was something last time. Yeah, some were still about software. They were stuck in there, there's a folder that it goes to, so the images were just stuck in there. So we just cleared those out, and then we just re-scanned it. Got it. So on our first scan through these Mount Tabor, there were still a few images left over from the Burlington scanning in the folder on the scanners. And so once those images were deleted, we'll be careful to check those beforehand. For the next towns, we ended up with 94 ballots counted from Mount Tabor, which was the ballot number on the Orbee. And this is the hand count down. The hand count down. And so we'll start going through for proposal two. There were 71 yes, nine no, no of the votes and 14 blank. I'll check, just so you guys kind of does this blank. Yeah, so we counted a couple, so like these ones that are very heavy. We picked up. But most of these light ones we didn't. If we want to go through and, since this is a hand count, they probably count all these. If you want to go through and we can just put these all in, that might be easier when we're going forward. Put these ballots in. We've done that in the past. Yeah, so put these votes in, because they probably counted. Did you indicate them in what you're saying? Yeah, yeah. So that way the rest of them will match. We won't have to look at them. Yeah, we'll have to keep looking every time. So why don't we just go through this. Everybody follow, we're finding, how many do you think there are? I think there's three. Three that appear to evolve and mark with check marks that won't be read by the clear ballot software. So we're going to put them in before we do our comparisons of the rest of the votes. That's right. Zhuba, Kevin Hoyt, Ian Diamondsville, Brooke Page, Brooke Page, Morton, Taglia Via, Williams, Kayati, Anderson, Walk, Sullivan, Fox, and Bixby. Yes, yes, Custer, Zhuba, Diamonds, I'm sorry, Hoyt, Diamondsville, Brooke Page, Brooke Page, Morton, Taglia Via, Williams, Kayati, Anderson, Walk, Sullivan, Fox, and Bixby. That was identical to the other one. Yeah. Could have been a hug and a wait. If I say. Yeah. And then, so this one, it looks like there was just the props. It looks like the props, they circled. Yeah, okay. You'll get most of those on there, Mark, so you think? You'll get, yeah, we can actually see what we've got. It got all the other votes. Right, it's not the props. Yes and yes, they hand countered it, they probably. Yeah. I'm just gonna quickly just thumb through and make sure the rest of these got counted. That was it? That was it. I'm gonna rerun the report. So now, should we just start at the top again? Yeah, let's do that. For proposal two, we have 74, yes, nine, no, and 11 blanks, which is an exact match. For proposal five, we have 65, yes, 23, no, and six blanks. Let's take a look at that. One more, yes, one less, one more, yes. And that was prop five. Could have been one of the main members of them. Because they filled in all of this consistent. Hand counted, I would have expected that to be counted as a yes, but my assumption here is a missed recording on the tally sheet. Not gonna be surprised here that actual unexplainable single vote discrepancies in a hand counted town are what we've historically found with hand count towns. That's why we say the tabulators are more accurate than hand counts. Because just simple recording mistakes on the tally and summary sheets can lead to a little discrepancies. What was the mistake on the hand count? It was a yes recorded as a no. For, what are we doing? US Senator Mark Custer, two, Natasha Kahoot, zero, Steven Duke, zero, Don Ellis, one, Chris Erickson, zero, Gerald Malloy, 37, Kerry Rahab, lost by place one, Peter Welch, 48, two write-ins, no overvotes, three blanks. Was that right on? Rep to Congress, Becca Ballant, 37, Matt Drusba, three, Liam Madden, 38, Adam Ortiz, two, Eric Erick, five, and Luke Talbot, four, no write-ins, no overvotes, five blanks. Governor Peter Duvall, four, Kevin Hoyt, three, Bernie Peter, zero, Phil Scott, 68, Brenda Siegel, 18, no write-ins, no overvotes, one blank. Those look pretty good. I am again gonna assume that's a tally sheet there. This is why it's good to do a hand count down also. For Lieutenant Governor Joe Banning, 53, Ian Diamond, stone seven, David Zuckerman, 26, two write-ins, no overvotes, six blanks. And then up with two more Zuckerman and two less diamonds, so we'll chop that up to a reporting error on the tally sheets. So we've had one vote and one of the props, one in the governor and two there. Treasurer, H. Brick Page, 43, Mike P. Jack, 44, no write-in, no overvotes, seven blanks. Or Secretary of State Sarah Copeland-Hanses, 42, H. Brick Page, 47, no write-ins, no overvotes, five blanks. Probably the same thing, we can look at those votes but especially for hand count.  For Attorney General, or Auditor of Accounts, Doug Hoffer, 43, Rick Morton, 42, no write-ins, no overvotes, nine blanks. For AG, Charity Clark, 45, Michael Tagli, via 43, no write-ins, no overvotes, six blanks. For State Senator, there you are. You've got them all next to me, from all the ballot styles. For State Senator, Brian B. C. Calamore, 41, Joshua Ferguson, 24, Bridget Remington, 35, Anna Tatio, 29, David Weeks-Proctor, 42, Terry Williams, 41, zero write-in, zero overvotes, 70 blanks. State Rep, he's done the right one. Right before it's up above. There. Guy Audi, so State Rep. William Guy Audi, 74, Mike Rice, 18, zero write-in, zero overvotes, two blanks. And that's a blank. So four less, that's an insane amount. I assume the four were transposed. Between Mike and Guy Audi. Yeah, because all the ovals are one. You see over on the right? To the right, yeah, not on. It's just, I think it's just seeing the line. You see how it's just seeing the line from the other, from Guy Audi. I think at first it's clear that four got recorded for what? Four got extra got recorded. For Guy Audi that were Rice votes. And the other somehow moved to a blank. Sorry, this is a lesson for the counters. Just be very careful when you're doing your tally sheets. And Carl C. Anderson, yep. 68 for Anderson, one write-in, zero overvotes, 25 blanks. Benard, senior 52, Dave Walk 41, two write-ins, zero over and 93 blanks. If you look at your blanks. Yeah, these are all blanks. You were one more blank, right? Then, yeah, we had one extra blank. This is a hand count, right? Yep, somehow a blank got recorded as Walk. Or, and I'm not gonna take the time to do it right now, it's potentially if we looked through all the blank recorded ballots, there could be a mark outside of, like far from the oval. That we're not seeing here in the clear ballot screen.  If we wanna go back later and look at the blank votes in the assistant judge, we can maybe find it. State's attorney, Ian Sullivan, 61 write-in, no overvotes, 33 blank. Right. Sheriff David Fox, 67, one write-in, zero overvotes and 26 blanks. Another one, like the previous, what about one I think, the blank's all totally blank down there. We have one extra vote, though. Is that the votes outside? You have one extra vote for Fox and one less blank, right? Right. And that's what I'm saying, in the blank votes that you look at there, there may be a marking that we don't see here outside of this view that somehow told them that Fox was getting a vote. Well, no, because we were, so one of these, they would have counted as a blank because we're counting, clear ballots counting. I see, I see, it's all right. Excuse me, that's right. Because they have 66, so one of these, they counted as a blank. As a blank. Four of them. The recording here. That one, the circle, three up, we're out right there. That? It's one. All the others were much better filled. You'd think they would count that, though. My hands count. I think they would count that on a hand count. I don't know. Maybe not. I mean, it looks so different from the others. Yeah. Didn't complete it and thought that he didn't complete it fully. I couldn't get no, it could be. Match. All right, yeah. High bail if Jonathan Bixby, 67, two right ends, no overvotes, 25 blank. It looks to me like different blanks and no notes on the tally sheet. Look at the right ends. We have four overvotes versus two. I'd look at the other votes, too. One was blank, so that's okay. That would give us one extra under bring us two. That gives us the right number of right ends, one right end. And then we have 26 unders. And if you just put that four in the two, that would be 26. Yeah. Those two lines are next to each other and the tally sheets, the hash marks would be put in the wrong place. That's it. So I know you've heard it come out of the secretary's mouth a lot of times, but that's another good example that there are typically just more mistakes made in filling out the tally and summary sheets, not even interpreting the ballots in the hand count towns that can lead to those errors. That's why we have recounts when races are within the margin. And if they are, candidates have the chance to ask for a recount and go back and get those ballots correctly recorded, I would say, during the recount. Now it's lunch. Yes, everything's out on the table. You're all ready, so we're ready, but let everybody know there were 12 ballots set out in the bag marked as rejected. There was a hand count tally on top of them. So we assumed that the hand count had been included in their totals on their ORV, but we've confirmed with both the clerk and then when you look at the tabulator tape that it's clear they both hand tally those ballots that wouldn't go through it first and then decided to transfer them to tabulator readable ballots, which they're authorized to do under the statute and feed them through the tabulator. So we then removed those 12 that were set out as the rejected ballots because there were remakes of those ballots already included in the main body of ballots in the bag. So our initial after scanning those rejected ones had come out on 13 ballots above. Okay. What the target number was on the ORV. And we've now backed out 12 of those because we essentially double scanned them. With that, we have a one ballot discrepancy, right? Yeah, we're one short. One fewer scams today than I've reported. So we're gonna see that discrepancy as we go through. And for proposal two, we had 1036 yes, no, it was 202, one over vote, 117 blank votes. So the missing ballot was a yes. It's like otherwise the same. For prop five, a yes was 8.5, no, it was 447, two over votes, 8200 votes. Looks like the missing ballot was a yes there. The US Senator, Mark Coaster, nine, Natasha Goodwood, seven, Stephen Duke, 10, Don Marie, LS11, Chris Erickson, six, Gerald Balloy, 463, Kerry Rahab, five, Peter Welch, 826, two bright ends, two over vote, 15 under vote. Two bright ends that we didn't have to. The little bit in the whites there. Take a look. So the missing out there was a four of them. She had these like these, these, okay. Yep, it's like they're always blank and one they crossed it out, it's our two. I think if you, can you get that? This one, the pop up to go away so we can see the, oh, from there. Oh yeah, right there, either way. Is this it? Just across out right here, okay. And the second one, just filled in the old one. Just filled in the old one, just along the end. And so that, so that would take away our two events for Congress. Yep. And the missing ballot was like an old one. Yep. So we have two of them. So we'll have to Congress. Becca Ballant, 691, Matt Drozba, 26, Liam Madden, 463, Adam Ortiz, 16, Eric Heretic, 46, Luke Talbot, 72, five right ends, two over votes, 35, Blanik, another old one, missing ballot. Governor, we have Peter Govall, 29, Kevin Boyd, 28, Bernie Peters, 57, Bill Scott, 1,003, Brenda Siebel, 210, five right ends, two over votes, 22 Blanik, missing an over and then. And then we've got one extra vote for Peters, and one less for Scott, and one for Scott over Peters, right? Yeah, we'll look at Peters first. Yeah, they just scribbled through a lot of things too. So we counted that. So that would give the vote for Scott. So that Scott would be good. Yeah, but this is counted as an over. Got it. That would give Scott the right number of votes. 27, that looks like it might be a pencil, the wrong anchor pencil or something. It could be a pencil, yeah. You don't want to do it that bad. This one is definitely in line with the last 11. I wonder if that was a pencil or is the meaning on it more in these cases? We have heard that they have issues with pencil markings. If they're not made really dark. Joe Blanning, 7-11, Diamond Stone, 31, Zuckerman, 5-67, 7 right in, 0 over vote, 40 Blanks. There's still less than an over, not right in. This is the other thing. Two Blanks, two, none of the above. Two of the above. It's four. So they kind of seagulled. Two seagulled, fair, right, there's four. Yeah, one, two, three, four. So then that's three right in. Did we have seven, right? One, two. That would be that four, four, six, seven. Yeah. And so that would be good. Yeah. State Treasurer for Page 603, Mike P. Jack, 7-11, four right in, zero over, 48 Blanks, two. One of them may be a mark in another over. Well, there was a ballot that had weird. Yeah, so we can take a look at pages of ovals and see if they filled in. In order to find that. Not here, here, here. Oh, there it is. So they filled in a little bit of this oval over here, as possible, and it counted that as an overvote. Over. And that would also take away the vote for P-check. Yeah. So that would go to the cemetery and give us some extra time. In the case of here as well, and that would give us both of our ovals. And that's how the votes for P-check and that the missing vote would be for, because that would balance both of our ovals. Yeah. And that would give us 699 plus one less undervote. See? So you're going to get five, 76, six right in, zero over, 58 Blanks. So we've got two extra right in this. Two extra right in this, two extra right in this. Secretary of State. Governor James Douglas. So we know it's probably the two that didn't count. Probably. They couldn't count who did Douglas, yeah. Doesn't look like that. They didn't put it wrong. Woodward, Wintour is in page. They didn't put James Douglas on it. Out for 741, 445, 46. Six right in, zero over, was 63. Four Blanks, 34. Pretty general. Terry Clark, 721. Tackley, BFI, 74. Four right in, zero over, 57 Blanks. Oh, so then the one that we're missing is probably the one, the first one right now. Because that would give us, probably missing that, the last two. Yeah, we're missing that, the last two Blanks. Yeah. Okay. States and the Senate are given a second to find it. We got 96 from us equals, 82 right in, and no over those 288 points. We're missing, we're missing the whole one. One extra vote for A&S. I mean, that's, that's bad. And then we can look at the right end, but they're only going to be quite a lot. That's author, it's going to be funky. Zero, two, and it's supposed to be 65. So we are. You got 13, it's a judgment call, something else. Oh, I have 13, it's a kind of, Trump is not on it. Yeah. I have like, it was six, and we have two, 88. 88. It means nothing. It's my first, where, they were right at the top. Woodman Page 1036, 49 right in, zero over those 271. There's two overs here. There's two overs here, and now it came across my right. So we have 49, and there's, since we're already right. It's a nine, nine. Yeah, I'm seeing pretty close. I'm seeing eight. Yeah. What was the count? Two. There was two. Yeah, there was two. So we have, so we can look at these old ones and see. What are the names that they're put into? Oh. Oh. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. Oh, but did he have two? No, but they were two older. Yeah, we were two older. So that, to not check that, it's definitely more outside of the old one than the rest of these. Most of these, he's right at the center of the old one. And this one is a little off-center, kind of to the right. Same thing here. That one. Yeah, I mean, this one is much wider than the other ones. Yeah. Yeah. And if those are pencil pens, yeah, the pencil ones could be a lot lighter. Depending on the grade of the pencil, so my writing scanner will reflect. Yeah. It's left a light down off of it. Very much. Angela Ross, 1074. 16 by 0, hold the vote. 266, let's look at our write-ins first. That's six extra. They actually fill in the old one, but that's probably nice. That's four. The last one, 12, I don't know if that's it. Eight, 12. They kind of counted it, but they didn't count it. 75. They did count it. Well, we won under one of the total ballots. We won under one. So we're going to miss it. We're going to say that's it. We also have two extra votes. Well, maybe they don't count 135. Oh, did they have? Yeah. So they're not going to vote. Generalist. Yeah. So they're not going to vote. And then this one needs some of these. Let's vote this one. I can't imagine. I can't imagine pencil. Markets. Yeah. Like those are. Yeah. So that's one. And then it's probably also either this one or this one. Yeah. This one first. You know, the vote that we're missing is over. Because we don't have it over. The nature of the reporting names is blank, better right ends, white pencil markings, and missing ballots again. Benjamin Badgelder, we have 950. Curtis Hardy, 907. Nine right ends. Zero over vote, 846 blanks. They're missing. They're missing the blank. That's not one vote here. There's definitely a list of both of those. Oh, that's perfect. It's because it's a vote for two. So we count for missing vote. And then we've got nine right ends. Yeah. So then the right ends are blank. Yeah. That's the one for Trump and Barrett. Yeah. Yeah. They just didn't count Barrett. So it states eternity. John Barrett, 982. 128 right end. Three over votes. 1137. Yeah. And that's a... I don't know how to... So 89 right ends, no more votes. And 167 blanks. So we've got 18 extra votes. So those were pretty good in Newport City. Just right at one ballot missing. A bunch of moves from right ends to blanks. And we think some pencil markings were the other culprit for some of the one or two undercounted candidate that came to us. And that was... I'll take the chance to say that was a common critique of the clerks and something we're going to work on with the tabulator company. We can't answer it all here. We'll have to ask her. I'm just going to make this a little difficult, right? We're just going to have to assume it's all at best six votes. Yeah. But it'll make a difference. Yeah. Yeah. Other differences. Because we won't hold it anywhere. But I think we should go through it anyway. It might be readily apparent in a lot of cases like this. First one. Yeah. Proposal two. We had, yes, 893, no 63. No older votes, 74 under votes. So that is a missing six. Yes. Yes. For prop five, we have 859. Yes. 172. No. No older votes, 54 born. So it's missing one, no. Five. Yes. Yes. Six ballots. We have a senator. Costume two. Diamondstone, group four. Duke five. Alice seven. Erickson three. Malloy 162. Reheb two. Welch 826. Two write-ins. No older votes, 17 blank. Okay. Candidate votes missing. That was on the count of four. Right to Congress. Balance seven, 75. Drespa, 22. Madden, 171. Orteez, six. Right, 23. Cowlick, four. Three write-ins. No older votes, 31 blank. Five and one. Yeah. Candidate votes off by the six. Now let's... Governor, DeVall, 10, Hoyt, 14. Peters, three. Scott, 691. Siegel, 280. Two write-in. Zero over 30 blank. So that's four and two, but we also have a write-in. An extra write-in, so we can look at that. And less of a blank. So it's going to be less blank, right? And a governor. A governor. You're in the wrong election. Jesus, which whole they are. Our issue there. Ten and a governor. We have Benning, 322. Dunn, 17. Zuckerman, 630. Three write-ins. No older votes, 58 blanks. One's 32 on that one. There's two blanks missing. It still adds up. Moving complete. Treasurer, broke page. 208. P. Jack, 774. No write-in. No overvote. 48 blank. One and five. Six ballots. Secretary of State, Kansas, 751. Page 208. Two write-ins. Zero over 69 blank. Four. Auditor, Hawker, 753. Morton, 207. No write-in. No overvote. 70 blank. 42. 42. Clark. Excuse me. Attorney General Clark, 754. Tanglia Villa, 194. One write-in. No overvote. 81 blank. 42. 42. We have D, 230. Cummings, 749. LeFavre, 121. Perchlet, 590. Tucker, 156. Watson, 631. Two write-ins. No overvote. 611 blank. This one's a little harder because it's a vote for three. So it'll actually be off by 1882. Yeah. So two on the first one. Four. Six. Six. Four. 10. 11. 11. 14. 10. One write-in. 20. 32. 18. Good. We got there. State wrap. 30. 29. 29. Warren, 123. Dolan, 760. Tori, 499. Seven write-ins. Four overvotes. 268 blank. That's about two. So we have 112. So we have one more write-in. It looks like two. If that wasn't me. Probe judge, killed over 796. Five ratings, one overwrote, 228 blank. Two in the candidate. If we don't have some ratings we need to look at. Two blank ones. Two ratings in the clinic. Two blank networks. Overvoted one which they may have changed as well. Changed as well. They may have kept that overvote then. It looks like 2374. There's a two. That makes sense. It ends up being four and two. Assistant judge of two. That is 647. Cushing, Jr. 181. Jones, 602. Meyer, 163. No ratings, no overvotes. 467 blank. Four plus two is six. Plus four is 10. Plus two is 1212. State's attorney. Not only 777, five right in. Zero over, 248 blank. It looks like 233. Sheriff. Cool in 791. Four right in. No overvotes, 235 blanks. Four and two. Bailiff. McMahon is 775. Four right in. No overvotes, 251 blanks. For sure. An actual dog. It's a little old dog. They live across the street from Jen. So Jen would know it's a dog. Jen would know it's a dog and Mark has a dog. That's it. Nope. So I just want to point out to people with Watesfield. So we had a discrepancy of six ballots. So there were six more ballots counted on election night than here at the audit. That is something we'll certainly do. Let's see if we can nail down where those six unaccounted four ballots are. But I'd like to make the point that the goal of the audit is to audit the machines and the counting. This was a tabulator town. So as far as the ballots we could pass through the scanners today, it matched the results that were counted on election night on the tabulator minus the six ballots that are unaccounted for Thomas. I'm going to need to check this report. One, zero, three, eight. Minus. Which is two more than. And so there was a guy that ripped up his ballot. Yeah. And then there was a defective. Thank you. And then there was what? A defective. A defective. And that's accounted for on the ORV, Thomas. And she described the guy getting mad and ripping up his voted ballot. We had a couple instances of that this year when they were asked to sign the affidavit that angered some folks. Yeah. Let's get over here. Are we all awake yet? I just wish it was a little warmer in here.  The stock market is right over the yellow. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yeah. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yeah. Yes. Today we scanned the exact number of ballots that were recorded on the ORB as voted on election night, 660 results. Prop 2, 483 yes, 125 no, 1 over vote, 60 under votes. Prop 5, 391 yes, 240 no, 1 over vote, and 37 under votes. I mean, it could be, that's how they do it. Yeah, I mean, our system read this all as votes. It's hard to tell what the image cast would have done, but that is the least confident yes vote. Oh, let's look at the manually resolved, just make sure that that was done correctly. Yes. Okay. Let's move on. Let's also take a look at the no votes. One more no, it looks like they circled in now here. So if we take away one of the yeses that wasn't a large percentage of the oval filled out and then add this no in. Well, actually there's two noes that are circled. Well, that's two different prompts. Two noes? Yeah. Yeah. I mean, that would do it. It's hard to say for sure. It's sort of like an exclamation point, certainly. Because they filled in the rest of the oval. And there have been several ballots we've looked at today that have done that. The marking on the proposals is different than the marking on offices. Let's start remembering the pencil marks. Dude, it's a new variable for this process. We're, we don't like pick one of the most effective. So for US Senator, Mark Hostert won Kahoot nine, Kahoot nine, Duke five, Ellis six, Erickson zero, Maloy 267, Reheb three, P. Walsh 366, one right in, no overvote, 11 undervotes. Perfect. Right to Congress, Ballant 269, Drugsby 26, Madden 279, Ortiz nine, Reddick 26, Talbot 24, six right in, is no overvotes, 30 undervotes. Governor Duvall 18, Hoyt 16, Peter 17, Scott 502, Siegel 91, seven right in, is no overvotes, 18 under. Lieutenant Governor Benning 365, Diamondstone 20, Zuckerman 261, five right in, is no overvotes, 18 undervotes. So it appears that we didn't capture one right in, that they did it, they did it. No hold, with Lieutenant Kenning down there. And yeah, there it is right there. It's a no hold, yeah. It's a treasurer, Page 326, P. Chet 314, three right in, zero over 26 on here. That's the secretary. That's the secretary. Constance 296, Page 330, right in five, zero over 38 undervotes, 8G, Attorney General. The auditor. Sorry, auditor, Hofford 317, Morton 307, two right in, zero over 43 white. So it looks like we picked up one more and wrote for Hofford. That one right there looks like maybe it was erased. Or the last one. Or the last one was. Yeah, it was 17%. 17% of it. Look at both of them. Yeah, you pick up both of those. Sure. The rest of this ballot does look like it was filled out correctly. Looks like he's trying to erase that. He's trying to erase the smudge up above that thing. Yeah, I'm looking at that one.  Just for kitchen goods, I love the X. I think this was that same one we looked at. Yeah. We good? Good. Attorney General Clark, 322, in fact, we'll be at 313, two right in, no blanks, 30, the student, no over, 32 white. State Senator Rob 322, McCarthy 241, Norris 376, Halzeski, Zuski 122, six right in, zero over 207, one line. State rat, Pango 519, LaRouche 397, 12 right in, zero over votes, 410 line. Probably judge, Como 353 for our 286, four right in, three over votes, 231. We've got one less over vote, one more for our, one less for for our, who's not even talking about it. Check that next. That was probably this one. Yeah, took out an over and gave it to for our. You guys had one more over, right? Yeah. Yes. For our, that's it. Yeah, that makes sense. Those, that's, those are the great examples of the software. Assistant, assistant. Eldridge 202, Gosselin 326, Sweeney 336, seven right in, zero over 4067 line. State Attorney, LaRouche 313, LaRouche 313, three right in, zero over 40 under. So there's two overs and one less on each. It's still, it's probably been something like that. Just got into the old one. Does it show you the over votes? Do we have one? Yeah, but the, the, the overs were counted on the other system and on ours. So if this had been counted, it would have counted this as an over. A little bit of an odd one. Yeah. Better than other markings on the ballot. We can't see. Yeah. We need them to sign this. This, that's, oh. There's bleed through it. That looks like a bleed. I'm seeing very obvious one for this. So this is the second page. Go back to the first page. Go back to the first page. Of the ballot. Which ballot? This one. The one that had the bleed. I'm sorry. Oh, the one with the bleed. Let's see. That's kind of all over the place. I believe it very much. That's interesting. It, it does look like it missed the old polls all the bleed through. Right. Yeah. That's what we assure people. Yeah. But why didn't it go through? It must've used a very heavy marker. It used a sharp marker. Why did it bleed through? Yeah, sure. Yeah. Not necessarily. You won't see this one. Now I have to imagine there was something on their hand review that made them think another campaign is marked in that race. One more in each of these, and then two, four votes. Was there a recount on this one? No. So I'm saying that there are a lot of... It's a county office. So we did that. Yeah, we did that. And it has an overall vote. Yeah, we did that. This is the main thing. Five, three, 12. Right, but it's a county office. So there's other towns that... Oh, okay. I'm sorry. You're right. All right. Just tighten it. End of the day, yeah. Yeah. So the ballot will be adjudicated. Yeah, we'll have the adjudicated. I don't think we looked at that one. That one. A and K. And what race were we in? State's 33, not that one. State's 30. So we'll actually line up on this one. Yeah, I know. Yeah. Because it was in the writing box, but I don't think they would count that. You know what? Would that have... No, that would have counted. Our machine would have counted it. Would have counted it. That's all right. Yeah, if it was a write-in and a candidate. But you know, right? That's right. It is, look at that. We do have instances where it's really sensitive in the write-in box, though. You can see that little marking in the write-in space. If you back up, there's the dot on the back. Yeah. Could have done that as a write-in. And there were two order books, right? Yeah. It'd be some of these that shouldn't... Wait, there is one. We need to write in some of these. Ooh. That's just a write-in. I wonder if it's those bullies in the back that write in a write-in box. Write out on this one. Write out? Yeah. That might have messed with it. It's possible that the Dominion machine would have written the write-out as an over. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. If you combine that with the one with the error mark, I think that gets us there. So do if they have an election official handing out. I'm just kidding. Listen, obviously a home... This was probably done at home. Let's see. Oh, or that. That does appear to be the only place on this ballot. I've been in the write-out, and that we saw. Yeah, that's just my ballot. Yeah. That's probably... Okay. That's fine. Sheriff. I'm going to write in some more free time. Write-in is 210. No overalls, 139 write-in. So this is going to be quite a few write-ins. Move to write-in. So they had one more for gris-more, but if there was a write-in for gris-more, do they add that? Yeah. Do you want to look through the ribs? It's a lot. Yeah, I know we can find the gris-more in there. Yeah. It's only 10. Yeah. The ones where they didn't fill in the overalls. Yeah, we didn't see the gris-more did we? No. So let's take a look at the gris-more. Was it his birthday? She's gone. The third one? Here we go. They probably counted that. Yeah. Okay. Are we satisfied with that one? That's a couple of marks. Ooh. I'm just bailing. I'm bailing. I'll be allured in 514. 16 write-in is 0 over 139. We have one more for free. I mean, this one or this one. Yeah, or this one. Those are all good candidates. That's really happened the third and last one. Yeah, this one looks like it was almost erased. Oh, that whole ballot is pretty messy. There's a blank. Yeah, a blank. One more. Where's the other one? Did that make sense? Yeah, yeah. Pen? Nope. The outset, I think we're going to write that down. It wasn't there. Pretty good job by the way. Put it in there. Lots of exact matches. Yep. Same number of ballots counted. You have to write down the same number. Yeah. So there's one private that can keep people on. Yeah. I'd say New Zealand. It's hard to control. We didn't have any. Send them all. Maybe I'll put a marker in there. Put any of those. The bigger marker. We're going to know what's your reward. Yeah. Well, the bottom line is for free. First one. I just want to be able to remember which town is on my approach.  They all have a simple look at it, because we really wanted to. Okay, so that's our last summary of the day. We got the town of Fairhaven. And today here at the audit we ended up, the result of the scan was one less ballot scan than was counted on election night. We'll have to follow up with the clerk on that as well. Now we'll account for that one ballot difference as we look through these results. And we'll start with proposal two, which has, yes, 763, no, 155, one overvote, and 68 undervotes. So the missing ballot out of like vote. For proposal two, we had 618, yes, 325, no, one overvote, and 43 blanks. I mean one up, one down. Like the blank. Like when yes or no counted as a blank, or when no or vice versa. That's probably a blank, yes. I think that's correct. Which is the missing ballot. So one of the yeses looked like it wasn't read and we're missing a no on the missing ballot. Excuse me, we're up to, or US Senator, Coaster 10, Kahoot 6, Duke 4, Ellis 12, Erickson 4, Malloy 440, Reheb 4, Welch 490, five write-ins, no blanks, no overvotes, 12 blanks. Just missing a blank. Is that it? No, there were no blanks. 10, 6, 4, 12, 4. Switch, here. So we have one more, one more. Well, one less for Welch. That's just probably that. I'm not saying anything obvious, but it may be the missing ballot. Be the missing ballot. And then was there another one off? Well, no. The blank would have been the Malloy. The Malloy smudge. So that just moved from Malloy to blank. So it's just the Welch. Yep. And missing a Welch. Rep to Congress. Malloy to Drew's foot, 11, Madden 423, Ortiz 42, Redick 55, Talbot 14, two write-in, two overvote, 36 under. Right. That's a very light pencil. Probably needed to be added. That's pretty clear. If we're missing one, Madden, which is probably the missing ballot. So that should work. Because the blank would have been from Malloy. Yep. Oh, Ryan's helping with the math this late in the day. Governor Duvall 27, Hoyt 34, Peter 17, Scott 736, Siegel 138, 13 write-ins, zero over 22 blank. A little less for Scott, which is probably the missing ballot. Two more write-ins. That's a good bet. Tenet governor, Audit found, Benning 536, Diamondstone 26, Zuckerman 383, nine write-ins. The vote's 33 under. Two write-ins to move into the missing ballot. And the missing ballot. State Treasurer, Page 520, P-Check 428, one write-in, one over-vote, 37 under-votes. Blank write-in, do you go back to that side by side? Just the one for page is missing. Write-in with the blank. Yep. Secretary, State Copeland-Honsis 427, Page 510, three write-ins, zero over 47 blank. Just one write-in to move to the left side. Yeah. SOS. They wrote down Cummins and Kelly. So they didn't write down Alessandro? Yep. They might not have been able to read that last name and decided to make a point. I can't. To one vote, missing for Page on the missing ballot. Auditor of accounts, Crawford 427, Rick Morton 499, zero write-in, zero over-vote, 61 blank. One missing. Good morning. Attorney General, Clark 415, Taglia V523, zero write-in, zero over 49 blank. This is the Taglia V. State Senator, we had Cullinmore 520, Ferguson 425, Remington 260, Tadio 264, Proctor 382, Williams 540, two write-ins, zero over-votes, 567 blanks. Cullinmore, Proctor, Williams. Cullinmore, Proctor, and Williams, all missing one. Two write-ins moved down. Two write-ins moved to blank. Oh, he does live here. That's true. Hold on. What are we, State Senate? What they report. They reported just Laramie. So they left off Guzman and Bob Helm. Guzman. Bob Helm was a former rep, right? I know. Why did he leave him off? Did he pass away? No. No, I mean, that's why I'm surprising. State rep. Camfield 812, 31 write-ins, one over-vote, 143 blank. Three write-ins moved. Missing, the missing was an over-vote. Pro-way judge. Anderson, 833. 12 write-ins. Zero over 142 blanks. It looks like five write-ins to me within a missing candidate vote. Duck, Blank, Abe Lincoln, Bo Johnson. They did him. Did we have five? Five. Assistant judge. 24. Walk, 599. 11, no. 13 write-in. No over-vote. 818 blank. Assistant judge with a two. Not him. That vote is four. Five. Six. Seven. And then those two. Mark, do we need you here? The seven. State's turning. 692 for Sullivan. 35 write-in. Zero over, 260 under. The missing ballot is probably Sullivan. I got 13. Oh, there's an anybody else. It's 14 for me. Yeah. Do you want to go back to that? No, let's go. They didn't put any of those. No. Sheriff Fox, 777. 11 write-ins. No over-votes. 199 blank. So it's four. Right here. Definitely do it right. There's four. Abe Lincoln. Good on that. I think they didn't do it. What race are we in? Sheriff. The blank. Brett Simpson. They wrote Brett, but he's not recorded here. So they must have assumed. So we got an apartment. I mean, the Simpsons have been on for 40 years. They can't get an apartment. It would be interesting to put on that ballot. Probably. We'll see if we see him here. Baylor. Fixed B766. 14 write-ins. No over-votes. 207 blank. Brett. 1234. Five is Abe Lincoln. Is Judge Dredd a real person? No. No. Let's just look at the Brett Simpson. Yep. Brett Simpson. That is so funny. After the statewides. Brett M. Look at the Abe Lincoln just for fun while we're on our last viewing. I think that was all one ballot too, wasn't it? Yeah. Through an MLK junior. Good taste. It would be nice if we could still have an honest Abe in all those positions. So that was really a pretty positive result for Fairhaven also. Aside from counting one last ballot, which we will again work on with the clerk, there is always the possibility right of a double scan here. It's pretty rare, but when we only have one difference, that's as possible as anything else I would say. So with that, I want to thank the guys from ClearBallet. I want to thank Orca Television for being here today and broadcasting. I thank Thomas for being our one member of the public. Interested enough to come watch in person. You're welcome. Thank Jim and Chris for their last post-election audit. We'll see you all next year or two years. Thanks to our elections team too. It's going to arrive in Dan to unload the ballots back over there. Thank you everyone.


Do you have to do, oh, okay. Hello everyone, hi. So it's the best time of the day to relax and see something interesting. So before I get started, I wanted to request one thing, is my United Flight change times and I pretty much have to shrink this presentation just by 10 minutes. So I do encourage questions as we are going through the various points in the topic and if we have more time at the end of the presentation, the whole point is let's find collaborators, let's get some good feedback and I'd be happy to answer questions now or follow up with you later. So what are we talking about today? So the previous presentation if you were there was very good from the perspective of defining virtual versus physical infrastructure and today we're basically looking into the platform as a part of an identity management system. So that's the key point is when we want to have better transparency and visibility into a platform to be able to make access control decisions, there needs to be an easy to use mechanism to do it. So the question is how do you figure out what are the platform attributes given the virtual infrastructure today and how do you link it with user attributes to make user access control decisions? So here are some of my proposals. Actually, I bet the pointer works, right? Okay, so what we have here is my proposal is let's work, find the collaboration points to design a comprehensive federated identity management system which includes platform attributes and also look at interacting with the keystone authentication mechanisms. I was just talking here where there's a multi-factor initiative that we've started looking into and if there is a way to hook in the platform attributes then that would be very interesting. So to the basics, what do we have typically? Typically people talk about user attributes. Username password, 99% of the case. Then the more interesting ones become like biometrics which are very hardware dependent so there's a huge problem of interoperability but then there are PKI certs which have been talked about, people's demographic information, their preferences, even things like usage history. There are things like reputation of where have you been? It's becoming very good part of your social media. But then there's a huge other set of attributes which are associated with you and that's related to the devices, one or more set of devices that you use. So it could be the location of your device, it could be the sensors on your device or what are the different types of sensors that you have associated in your device. And the first thing that probably came to your mind when you read about this was the TPM, the various registers in the TPM. How do you leverage the information stored there to make some evaluation of trust on that system? There are other things related to certificates which are related to the device itself so you can have keys burnt on the system or certificates issued to a certain hardware which may imply something about that system and the service that you're going to offer. And then of course the whole software stack and everything below it, the firmware, the bios, what are the capabilities of the platform that you may want to leverage. You may also have systems, the previous speaker which talked about isolation which was really good to understand what are the capabilities of the platform that can guarantee some level of isolation of your workload so that there is non-interference, there is no security, nobody's attacking. So there are some really big implications about these various types of device attributes. Any questions? Who else is catching a flight with me? So the whole point is we've always considered a user attributes and device attributes separately but let's really, this is something that's not novel. Many people have been talking about it but we need to find a really good mechanism to get to this point right here. The user and device attributes interplaying with each other and have a nice anchor to the device itself so that there is a way to enforce that this particular device attribute and user attributes are linked together and depending on the type of service you can figure out what is a set of information that you really need. So a trustworthy mechanism to be able to retrieve this information and a usable method that is by using our identity management system to be able to use it in our access control systems. That will have huge implications on the security, the privacy and the usability of the system and here is a list of, one could go into each one of them and we could spend a lot of time but I think the audience here is very advanced so you can probably translate a lot of those points into things that you're working on. So there's a huge amount of work which has been done in attribute-based access control. I think there are folks here who have led initiatives. I think the whole point is that in an attribute-based access control which has mostly covered the top area, let's see how it integrates with the device attributes to better enhance the security, preserve, privacy without compromising the usability of the system. Any questions? Okay. So one thing which I want to point out over here is that oftentimes we say that I only care about this application and the user attributes but it is very important to know at the end of the day the behavior of the system hosting this application and this user because there's a route of trust which is established during the system boot up or when this application is running on the system where you have to really depend on something that can provide you a certain level of guarantee on how the device is behaving. So I have an example here which will help understand the progression. So you can divide services into these four types based services which are free, which really don't care about user ID or the device and that's most of the time when you're surfing the web but then there might be application which require a high assurance on user identification. So you do multi-factor authentication using user, strong user name, password and they're yet another type of service where the user doesn't matter but you really do care about what device it is. Blu-ray is a very easy example but just see the difference where there is relevance of user information or there's relevance of device information but as we go to high assurance services where something like a healthcare application where you do care about the user information for sure because you need to get to the right record if it's your pharmaceutical service which is being offered online you need to make sure that it is this right users electronic medical record but also you need to make sure that the device is secure because at the end of the day you want to make sure that the device is not being attacked by malware so there's a certain amount of isolated environment provided by this healthcare application and also that the residual data that is generated because of this whole e-pharma in this particular case interaction is also protected. So we want to make sure that if such an application denoted here in green is interacting with the cloud service if it's in a hostile environment there is some sort of guarantee that the platform beneath is providing the support needed to secure this application. Any questions? So what do we have here? I have just two more slides so this is going to be, I'm hoping to get more feedback because I think the point is very clear is that we started off with basic authentication mechanisms within OpenStack they are a lot of good plans about integrating. I'm sorry. So I attended your talk about the various Keystone initiatives and there's some great work happening there and the point is that as we progress there are certain design requirements when we start including different types of attributes very much looking into the attribute-based access control to make it less hard to incorporate a bunch of attributes as you progress. So every time you add a new sensor or you add a new type of attribute then we shouldn't have to go back and redo a bunch of those your components. But there's a crawl walk run so there are two key pieces. One is this is a very typical at least identity provider service provider but it's a typical identity management system considered paying Shibulit, a bunch of others and I think there are initiatives which are looking into integrating with them. The piece that I was very interested in is how can you locally add certain platform attributes as you're building the local authentication system and then how it would integrate with the identity management system that exists today. One key component is there's a device verification services which is important to have a logical distinction because oftentimes people don't know what to do with that data. Device attributes are not very easily understood. So what if I have a Zen versus KVM versus something else? Is there some mapping of more secure, less secure? And these are things that I think the policies and translation of the information that you get from the device to actual information would be another key initiative. Which one? The part where you write. So there's some initial work like the whole TCG type initiative where you're looking at what is your trusted computing base but I think there is a lot more to it where I was starting to understand when we look at loopholes in a certain hypervisor versus a certain platform that is vulnerability management piece that is need to be developed. There's another piece which talks about capabilities. Certain platforms have certain capabilities where you can have higher assurance that my random number generator has a certain strength or my degree of isolation is enforced by the hardware or not. So from crypto, non-crypto, there are a lot of various things that have been discussed earlier which can impact the decision on how trustworthy a certain application is. So there are things in the industry but there's a huge amount of work that needs to be done. Okay, we can come, okay. Yes, that's an excellent point. So the question was, do you presume that the attributes are static or I mean, what about the dynamic ones which change over time? So there's some really good work within the attribute-based access control community where they talk about static and the attributes which change over time. So things like data birth or user attributes which don't, unless there's a correction, they don't change. But then most of the time, the attributes, there's a whole management system which needs to be updated, revoked, corrected, the quality of the data being collected and the whole privacy aspect to it. That is number one. There's the revocation. There's a lot of work that has been done at least in research which talks about how do you revoke an attribute which is collected. So definitely these attributes which are being considered a dynamic. There's the system state in the beginning which may change once the system has already booted. The consumption, the policies, making sure, what it means, why is something more trustworthy than the other is definitely a separate major piece of work that is ongoing but it really requires a lot of good collaboration and defining to do, agree. 100%. And the dynamic part is definitely there too. How much trust? Right, so we need to separate out the providing of those attributes versus the evaluation of those attributes and what it means to my system. You can take a bunch of the metadata that you may be adding with the various attributes. You can use them as a data point to build your own formula for confidence or which tier does your set of attributes fall into. So there is some work in policies which have been done to be able to collect a certain level of attributes, a language which says that okay, if you have these attributes issued by the whole provenance of where this attribute came from and then translated it into a certain category. So there has to be some simplifying mechanism for it to scale, so that is one of the things that we can talk about in just one minute but there's a whole policy and scale aspect which is a huge amount of focus that needs to be done to be able to really use this information. So as you said, we can provide the information but to be able to leverage it to the maximum you need to have this verification mechanisms and also translation to trust levels. What is trusted and not? And such a platform-based attributes can also give you different types of applications. I have been very involved in the standard space where there's requirements coming from understanding where is the server located, what are the various hardware features that a certain client may have. So there may be some requirements from the standard side. Also, there might be some compensating controls. There might be certain requirements for anti-malware for instance but if you have a compensating control where you say, hey, but this is isolated and I can say something about this environment, then there might be some new policies that may help you achieve the goal without having to have only one way of implementing things. So there's a standard compliance space, excellent piece that you can do from the audit end. It's really very interesting of how you can use this metadata and plug it into, for example, the CSA audit and understand how you can evaluate the compliance of a certain infrastructure based on this information. The other pieces which are like sensor-based, I have one of the reasons that people may think about biometric authentication, not being so useful remotely is because you really don't know where this, how trustworthy is the sensor that is capturing this information. So biometric authentication, there's some trust that can be established on the device. Then you have, there's this end-to-end trust where you not only trust the user because the user has certain capabilities on the platform but I can be sure that there are folks from everywhere over here. You can talk about which geo do you want your workload to be or the kind of policies that may be associated with a certain physical location. So there might be some physical aspects of your policies that can be enforced by this mutual trust mechanism. And finally, with this metadata or these platform attributes associated with the user attributes, there are some very nice things that can happen from the fraud detection purposes. Somebody's logging on to my account from none of my devices from India or somewhere else at the same time as me. It just gives you a little bit less poofable mechanism of providing some security services. I see a smile there. So call to action. Essentially, what we discussed, what I want to get away from this presentation is understanding your interest. I think we have had some great questions about what would be the next first steps, understanding static versus dynamic attributes, looking at how can these attributes be used as part of the multi-factor authentication effort that is going on. The next step would be to do the back end, the verification services, integrating it into the identity management systems that exist today. And finally, which is really the hectic part of it is the policies and how it would scale. I think that's the toughest. While there are some really nice researchy solutions out there, really understanding what works, what scales, what is a usable method that we can develop, which can be used by this, OpenStack is in such a good position to make an impact from that manner where you're kind of building things right from scratch, like and there's an opportunity here to learn from what we've learned in the identity management space, from the trusted computing space and really building something good with all the various applications that we just talked about. So any takers for blueprint collaboration, any kind of interest from the policy, GRC type work would really welcome that. So open to any further questions? See how we are on time. Okay, here's your question. Yeah. I know I wanted to go to David's talk too a lot. So I think one of the things that we want to do is at least connect. If you can email me please. I have the longest email that I think anybody has in the conference. So I think we can make a collab, we can at least connect and define the interest and we go from there, from design phase and then we have folks who are interested in the implementation too. It's a lot of work we're doing on the identity management space. Yeah. I think that's the best part, right? You can get a lot of information. I really didn't stress on the trustworthy aspect as much is because some of the mechanisms and I really didn't get into the details here, but the way you get the platform information is in a manner which is cryptographically enforced. So the information cannot be forged very easily. So if you are storing this information that you're getting from the platform about the entire stack, about various credentials that led to the fraud detection, then you can probably dig into that database with high assurance and know that the information is correct based on the keys and yeah. Yeah, there's a huge amount of, there's a nice initiative from McAfee for instance, you know with the Global Trust GTI. What is it? I for it. Initiative or infrastructure, one of those two. So essentially there is work where this huge amount of logs which are generated, how do you like principal component analysis, right? Where you take the most significant information and they're able to, the point is you can do roll up and roll down. So essentially you can take bits and pieces of information. If you suspect something is going wrong unless you have already deleted the log, there is a way to go down the right thread, right? Where you can track down and say, okay I really need to get to this log. Otherwise there are mechanisms which have been developed over so, which have been taking the summary data so to say at various levels to come to a point where the root of the tree says okay, I have high confidence that something is wrong here. So we can look into some mechanisms which are out there. Oh yeah. Right, right. The de-identification of the data, how to make sure that for example, if you're doing trials, a huge amount of trials on user health, there's something I looked at. So a person who was born to, when they grow is just, oh you know, when you were born they injected you with something and then 20 years later there is certain disease which is found. So can you track down? How far do you go without compromising privacy? So there is certain amount of work. All the answers are not here but I think that's one very interesting area of how do you aggregate logs? How do you make sense of it? The whole big data issue. And there's another piece of it which says can we incorporate device data into this mix? Can we somehow have an easy mechanism of retrieving device data to have greater assurance of user information or if device was sufficient? As we talked about the various use cases, we can use them just the way we use user attributes. That's excellent point. I think it may or may not depending on what the thing is. So for example, if you think about some premium content, actually can you? So yeah, if you can please repeat or I can help. To the point about device and the device attribute being important, it does when you want to say I want to look at my photographs from my iPhone or my laptop but it kind of disappears when you're doing like really server loads of work of data crunching and things like that. So when you do, I think that would be a good thing to check like as part of data mining things where it doesn't matter exactly. I'll give an example. It doesn't matter what exact device you had sometimes but the fact it was the same device, you know, or for example, all Zen hypervisors, you know, leading to certain behavior or something like that. So you may not want to uniquely identify something but you may want to group certain device attributes to learn something about the system as well. So case by case. I think that would be something really good to understand which use cases exist. And I think that's a great idea is to take understand which use cases, where is device attributes relevant, where it is not based on the usage model. Okay, so if you have any further questions, please let me know. I'm sorry for the rush rush. It's United Airlines fault, none of them. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.


So YouTube team keep it clean. What's going on? It's engraving here with another video and in this video You know the Ravens like players that can do multiple things and Patrick carb being one of the best examples of it More recently to where a player has played on both offense and defense now last year They had him just an offensive player. They didn't do the back and forth anymore. They stopped all of that But with Brandon Stevens Brandon Stevens is somebody that maybe they might throw it running back a little bit on a couple plays You never know but anyway, he is a cornerback defensive back from SMU. Shout out to James Pro Shae You know, he was happy about it.  So he got he got some he got some length on him. So that's good And I did watch some film on him I still got to watch some more But some of the things that I noticed is that he tracks the ball pretty well and he is not afraid of Contact and that's one of my favorite things when it comes to a cornerback when they're not afraid of contact That reminds me of a lot of Marlon Humphrey his rookie year takes me back to then I remember just watching him in the preseason drop that shoulder man And I was like, who is that and then I saw the back of the jersey and it said Humphrey I said, oh, okay, let's get it man. And that was back when he wore the number 29 seemed like so long ago but with with him I know a lot of people were I Saw a lot of the the feedback Not necessarily feedback, but I saw the other backlash so to speak of this pick but Ravens again, you got to remember Ravens are a couple of injuries away and of course you don't wish injury on anybody But you know that's part of the game. It happens unfortunately But Ravens are always just a couple of injuries away from that cornerback lineup being depleted and then of course we saw last Season how it can be just so much We've seen it so many seasons to where it can be just so much depth like crazy depth at at the In the secondary and then all of a sudden poof. It's gone just like that But again, Jimmy Smith, he's another year older and we know we love Jimmy Smith, but we know his history And then there's been a lack of there's a lack of depth at the safety position I know they just re-signed Anthony Levine They still have Jordan riches and of course the starters Chuck Clark and the Sean Elliott and the reason that I bring up The safety position is because they did say that they could envision him doing some cornerback and playing some safety as well So he'll be able to do some multiple things for the Baltimore Raven now When I hear them say that I I think He's gonna be a special teamer and not that that's a bad thing It's not because if you can draft somebody in the in the third round And they be especially at the cornerback position And they're gonna be playing special teams primarily from the jump Then that shows that you have a lot of depth upfront and they have a Marcus Peters They have a Marlon Humphrey. They have a Jimmy Smith Tavon youngest coming back. You have a Anthony Avery. You have quality Five quality guys five high quality guys So with him, I think this pick it really could Even Marshal got to watch out now, man Even Marshal got to watch out. Oh, and they also brought back on Davante hairs, too So they got and he's a cornerback as well So Ravens are gonna have some competition not not with the cornerbacks up front, but more so the corners on the back end That's where it's going to be the toughest that In the secondary for guys to make the squad and now, you know the Ray because you know the Ravens already have their locks They got their locks Humphrey lock Peters lock Jimmy Smith lock Tavon young lock Anthony Avery, I think he's a lock too So you got your five guys already shout out to the burgers and fries and the milkshakes, too Oh, and the peanuts that they have at the front of the store, but you got your five guys already But now any cornerback that we get is depth now. So even Marshall He I think he was already on the bubble, but and and I hate to say this but it is the business I think that this draft pick it sort of pushes even Marshall out Especially unfortunately how the first two seasons have went for him But you know what the NFL is just it stands for not for long it stands for not for long and It just things can change so quickly, man So quickly, but again nothing set in stone until until we get there So we just got to take our time see what happens see what comes of everything and move forward Move forward, but with Stevens. We're gonna see we're gonna see what happens now I think that he looked primarily when I watch him. He looked primarily like an outside corner He looked like an outside guy And of course with them saying that he could play some safety too that that's what they envisioned for him So he will be roaming the backfield as well, and then they did say free safety to they specifically said free safety I believe I'm like 99% sure, but either way he'll be playing some safety for the Ravens Now with that the Ravens still have a need at slot corner They still have a need at slot corner So that's something to definitely watch out for Because for them to draft be and I know take I know Tay Tay is coming back, but again, we know Tay Tay's history So we'll see what happens man. So I love y'all. I appreciate y'all and May the draft continue We out y'all. Love y'all. See you in a little bit


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