I mean, the price is right on Canada Day, and now Len Peralta, Justin Robert Young, Roger Chang and myself will lead you all in the Canadian National Anthem. Oh yeah. There's new lyrics though, they changed it in Canada. What did they change? They changed it. To you, you are so wrong. Your son's command to something less gender specific. Did they? I don't think they did. It goes like this.  That's not it. That's not those aren't the words. So let me see. Oh, Canada, my home and native land. So you change it too in all of us. Patriot love in all thy sons command. Oh, you know what? With glowing hearts we see thee rise the true North strong and free. From far and wide, oh Canada, we stand under for thee. God keep our land glorious and free. Oh Canada, we stand under for thee. Oh Canada, we stand under for thee. Oh Canada. Oh Canada. I'm looking at the official lyrics here. I don't see that. They changed it to, they took out the son's portion and changed it to us. Did they though? They just changed it a couple of weeks ago. They voted on it. Speaking of which, the Indians are playing the Toronto Blue Jays in extra innings right now. So if we beat you guys, sorry Canada. Don't burn down our White House again. They didn't burn down the White House. It was the British. Let's just clear that up right now. Listen, don't take this away from them on Canada Day. That's like their favorite thing to talk about. And it wasn't burnt down. It was more of a, they burnt it. Give them one day, Roger. Give them one day where they burnt down the White House. I'd rather they have something truthful to celebrate rather than a mythologized kind of white lie. Chris Christie also. Okay. So June 3rd, it says the bill is closer to seeing the light of day. It passed a second reading. I can't find anything that says it actually passed. I thought it did. Maybe it's just been in the news so much that I just assumed it eventually. The bill would change. Change is forward. I guess it hasn't officially changed. It hasn't changed yet. On the Democratic front, Tim Kaine, the leader in the clubhouse as far as betting markets go. Tim Kaine. All right. Shall we get this show on the roads? Yes. Here we go. The Daily Tech News Show is powered by you. When you submit articles, send emails, and visit DailyTechNewsShow.com slash support. You're exercising value for value in all the many ways to show the love. That's DailyTechNewsShow.com slash support. This is the Daily Tech News for Friday, July 1st, 2016. I'm Tom Merritt. Try to meet again. Back to back. Justin Robert Young is back to celebrate Canada Day. Oh, man. Back to back like a lethal weapon poster. Justin Robert Young. Hi, everybody. Back like Cleveland Indians baseball players going deep from Canada. No, wait. Cleveland is not in Canada. It's close. It's close. They are playing in Canada right now, actually. They are. The Indians are. Len Peralta here to illustrate the show. How are you, Len? I'm doing well. A little bit under the weather, but it's making my voice sound very, very breathy and smoky. I'm okay with that. I like it. I just realized that I quoted Drake at the beginning in honor of Canada Day. Of course you meant to do that. What are you talking about? We're getting the smiles in early because we have a very sad story to talk about. We will be discussing the death of Joshua Brown in his Tesla Model S while using the autopilot feature. That is our main story, but let's get to the other top stories first. BuzzFeed obtained a copy of a letter sent from Apple General Counsel Bruce Sewell to Spotify General Counsel Horacio Guiterrez in response to Spotify's criticism of Apple's in-app subscription policy. Yesterday's show for the first shoe in this two-shoe drop story. Sewell writes, quote, there is nothing in Apple's conduct that amounts to a violation of applicable antitrust laws, which is something Spotify kind of waved around. He also accuses Spotify of wanting special treatment and saying, quote, we firmly adhere to the principle of treating all developers fairly and equitable. So he describes that Spotify's app replaced in-app purchases with a push to sign up on Spotify's website. That was denied. And then on June 10th, Spotify submitted another version of the app, which asked customers to submit an email address to unlock premium features. So they tried to be vague about it. Apple said, no, you're just trying to get people to get around the in-app purchases. We're not going to allow that. ReCode also has text of the letter up that they obtained if you want to take a look at it. Justin, we talked yesterday about two billionaire companies fighting in public. And what did it mean to us? But now we know a little more of the details. Spotify just wants a way to get in touch with people, they say. Oh, sure. It's just so innocent. Such an innocent, pure desire from Spotify. They just want an email address. Is it against the app policy to allow people to collect email addresses now? We are fighting for you, says Spotify, the little guy, the ones who have such problems dealing with the Apple App Store thing. Again, see yesterday's show if you want kind of the TLDR on this. But effectively, this is a gigantic company trying to use a popular and understandable state, which is Apple's at times hardline stance on in-app purchases. And more broadly, their approval process. They're kind of like Spotify is sort of like a defense attorney in this perspective. It's not up to them to prove whether or not Apple has done anything wrong. It's their job to get out there and just touch on every little thing that Apple is not popular on right now. Don't beg the question as much as possible. When do you start abusing your position as a monopoly? Exactly. You know what, though? Here's the thing. I agree that Apple should not have special rules for Spotify and special rules for Amazon. Sure, that's fine. That's great. I also agree that Apple can sell whatever rules they want. It's their app store. They get to do it. However, I do think that it is unfortunate that Apple won't allow companies to even have a link to their own website to say, hey, you can subscribe over there, too. It is playing a hard line to say you can't even link out to another way to have a subscription. It's one thing to say, hey, we're going to provide you this in-app subscription model. If you use it, we'll take 30% because it costs to run it. But then we're saying, and you can't have any other way, even collecting email addresses, to send people a link to go somewhere else, I think is too harsh. Well, if nothing else, it certainly shows that Apple has created a universe wherein people are trying to solve the problems by bringing out the hole in the sheet that says, well, through here, I can still do this. No, no more holes in the sheets. It's a pain point that they're going to have to deal with. At some point, Apple is going to have to just make a better deal as the app store is now mature. We now have a grand idea. There are multimillion-dollar businesses that are being built on top of it. They are just going to have to make a better deal. So companies like Amazon, specifically, I would say, can just operate better because ultimately, you don't want to get to a point where iOS utility on these apps is hurt to a point where people just don't use them. It's better for Apple to have those players there. But for all that truism, let's not lose sight of the ball here. This is Spotify going after Apple because Apple and Spotify are also locked in a war where Apple has launched a product that is directly in competition with Spotify. So whether or not Spotify gets what they want here, and I agree with you, they probably should get something closer to what they want with this. Spotify will drag this out as long as possible because they want to damage Apple's position. Any trust? Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Facebook's David Marcus posted on Thursday about updates for Messenger's chatbot platform. Quick replies will show the bottom of the chat with pre-populated text options. The bot will recognize developers can include a persistent menu for frequently used functions. Users can now rate bots and provide feedback to developers, and users can link their accounts to a company's chatbot to allow for a quote deeper and more personal experience. Including your wallet. Finally, bots can now send audio, video, and files and GIFs, which Facebook is somehow assuming won't be immediately annoying. Yes, because that's what you want. Your bot to be sending GIFs and GIFs back and forth to you. I don't know. I think these are all mostly just Facebook showing off what they can do with their bots now, right? They're saying, hey, we've got these cool auto-suggest responses, kind of like what Google does with inbox when they auto-suggest a response to an email. That's cool. The ability to integrate your account is opt-in, first of all. Well done. Don't force me to opt out of something like that. But if I look at it and say, yeah, that's fine. I don't mind integrating my account with 1-800-FLOWERS so that I can just say, buy mom some flowers and they can access my address book and my credit card. That's great. It makes life easier. POTS had a big splashy intro earlier this year. There has obviously been a lot of time, money, and effort put into introducing them to a larger public. And Facebook has taken an aggressive stance on them. However, we are at this point with POTS, a show me the money situation. You need to have a killer app that uses and utilizes a bot for this to really sustain its growth past this year, in my opinion. So I'm for Facebook taking whatever stance, whatever decisions they need while they're watching this embryonic ecosystem to say, OK, this will be the soil, sunlight, and water for it to grow. But at the end of the day, if we don't see a sprout by Thanksgiving, I don't know how much we're going to be talking about POTS in 2017. How long did it take paper? Round two years for them to watch paper. People go, that's a dumb idea. Facebook will be like, well, let's wait and see. But we knew it was more of a year in. It takes a year to officially shut everybody off the project. Whether, see if the tide is rising or stagnating. PC World reports Dell has stopped selling its Android tablets and will end OS updates for existing venture tablets. A Dell spokesman said that the slate tablet market is oversaturated and is experiencing declining demand, as well as saying we are seeing two-in-ones rising in popularity since they provide a more optimal blend of PC capabilities with tablet mobility. So saying, hey, we're selling tablets, they're just Windows tablets that come with a keyboard. And I said venture, it's venue tablets. Tom, is this, all right, so I'm going to use the Game of Thrones metaphor. All right, bring it at me. Is this just the days getting a little shorter? Is this maybe that one telltale brisk push of a breeze that is a little colder than it normally should be? Or is this the full white raven that signals that winter has finally come for tablets? Yeah, is Round Rock the Citadel? And is Dell releasing the white ravens to fly throughout the land? I don't know if Dell gets to be the Citadel in this metaphor, that seems like giving them a few more errors. They also got rid of their venue phones, too. So it's tempting to over-interpret this. But I think winter has come for tablets. They are commodified. They are generally being made by off-brands, for the most part, except for two-in-ones. I think that's what has happened is the top brands, the commercial brands, the companies like Dell focused on enterprise are saying, oh yeah, surface type stuff, hybrid laptops that can be tablets also. That is where we're seeing growth. That's where we're seeing a future market. Now, how quickly that market tops out is up for debate. Because I'm not sure how many people are really going to replace their laptop or whether they're flirting with these hybrids, and then they're saying, well, you know what, I really need to go back to a think pad after a while. Well, and again, when I say winter is coming for these, or winter has come for these, I mean that literally in the Game of Thrones sense. There will be a few that survive, and they will be the ones that can hunker down. But ultimately, it will just separate the weed from the chat. Yeah, and the two-in-ones are mounting their horses of the sea or whatever boats are called by the body. Reuters passes a longer report from Brazil's G1 news service that a judge in Brazil's southern Paranha State froze Facebook's bank account holdings of 19.5 million realies or $6.07 million. After its messaging company WhatsApp failed to turn over messages relating to an ongoing cocaine smuggling case. The Brazilian judge, or a Brazilian judge, shut down WhatsApp for 24 hours in a similar case earlier this year, though the shutdown was overturned after 24 hours. Meanwhile, Smash got to WhatsApp saying, we don't store messages, and we can't read messages on the system because they're encrypted anyway. Now, here's the part that I am not 100% sure of, but from what I can tell, Brazil doesn't have a law saying that companies have to comply. There is no equivalent of Rule 41 or whatever. There's no law in the book saying you can't encrypt things without giving the government access. So WhatsApp's saying, look, the way we built our product is to protect user information at all costs. You can ask all day long for us to hand over something we don't have, but we don't have it. And the judges keep acting as if WhatsApp is just avoiding the question. And saying like, oh, sure, you say that now. What about when we give you a fine? What about we freeze your parent company's account? What about when we shut you down for 24 hours? And WhatsApp says, I don't like it, but guess what? We still don't have the data you want. And so we cannot, literally cannot hand it over. And I think this is a crazy little slice of how the Brazilian system works because, you know, first of all, they've got all kinds of troubles with Dilma Rousseff being impeached and everything as well. But they can't get the judges to understand that, you know, there's no law forcing them to make a product that's unencrypted. And since they encrypted it, they can't give them what the judges want. This is really the final firewall, though.  And the answer is still, well, it's dry, brother. Yeah. Big story up on our subreddit today. Lewis Rossman. A lot of you may know him. He does fix it videos on YouTube, very popular. He does a lot of motivational stuff on that channel as well. Also, many of you might know him. He owns an electronic repair shop in Manhattan. That's where he's promoting his videos. He's saying, hey, I do this for a living. I fix people's Apple products. He fixes all kinds of products, but he's most famous for fixing Apple products. Apple forbids official parts or device blueprints from being used without authorization. So there's some question about where can he get his blueprints? Is he getting them from third-party sources? Is it copyright infringement? There is also currently another piece of the story you need to understand. A New York bill called the Fair Repair Act, which would require hardware manufacturers to make instructions and parts available to the public, saying, you know, Apple, you can't do that. You have to make your blueprints available.  Apple has been lobbying against the bill, as you can imagine. Well, Thursday, Rossman posted a video saying that someone with a lot of money is going to be making his life difficult. He says he can't say too much, so everything he says is vague. He hints that people should download his videos. He says, I hear there's technology to do that. I've never used it, but you know what? Maybe you should do that, because sometimes some channels get taken down. He also mentions small repair shops being rated for repairing Apple products without authorization. He talks about having to face something today, Friday, but he can't discuss it, and people should know. He says, if his channel and shop are gone tomorrow, it's not because he didn't care. So, Justin, here we have all the pieces in line for repair shops like Louis Rossman's and repair efforts like his videos to have a problem with Apple. We have a bill that Apple is fiercely trying to fight against, and then we have a vague video that says something bad might happen, but I can't say what. Oh, I'm sorry, Tom. I kind of stopped listening halfway through because I was wrapping this gas-soaked rag around a stick because I am lighting my torch and heading down to Cupertino. You've got three Molotov cocktails on each prong of a pitchfork. Is that what I'm hearing? You were talking, and then you said Apple's coming after the little guy, and now it's time to go after them. Let's finally, let's take them down. Wait, what else? Oh, maybe, I don't know. We don't officially know that it's Apple that's doing it. No, we don't know anything. Rossman does a great job of implying lots of things with a wink and a nod so that everybody knows what he means. Yeah. But his channel is still up as of this recording, and he didn't state anything, and granted, I'm not accusing Lewis of doing anything wrong. I'm saying he can't say anything, so we don't actually know anything. So without picking a side against Lewis Rossman, I would say maybe we should wait until we know who's responsible before deciding who we think it is, and maybe we should wait until action is taken before even trying to figure out who is doing it. It's great for Rossman to put that out there in case something happens so he can say, hey, I was giving you the heads up when I was talking about that stuff, and maybe it's great for him to get people to download his channel in case that happens. And that would be the one step I could see people taking just to be sure, like, hey, if you want access to these videos, maybe you should take heed. But there's nothing else we can say about it yet. No. And by the way, if this is an issue via YouTube where people are making claims against his videos or trying to get his channel shut down, that's one process, the fact that this is the same situation for both his channel and his shop is something that's very interesting. It almost makes me think that he is being, if we are to parse it. And again, actually, you know, I don't know what, but there's nothing to say. Look, someone who is not as scrupulous as Rossman could use exactly the same situation for their own purposes to make it look like something is happening. And so even if you don't think that's what he's doing and I don't, you shouldn't get all up in arms against somebody you don't know there's proof against until you know what's happening. Otherwise... Plenty of time. Yeah, you risk playing into the arms of someone who isn't scrupulous down the road. Just see what happens. There we go. I feel like that's a great lesson. Just hashtag let's see what happens. That is not just a great way to end that story. That is a state of mind. A state of mind. Speaking of states of mind, right now, here's a funny story because if you go to Apple Music, the number one single on Apple Music is DJ Khaled featuring Jay-Z and Futures, I Got the Keys. DJ Khaled! We the best music! Meanwhile, the Wall Street Journal reports its sources say Apple is in talks to buy the title music service. A musician Jay-Z purchased title in 2015. The docs may not lead to a deal, but title executives have denied an acquisition as being discussed while almost certainly leaking this to the Wall Street Journal. See what happens. I mean, number one, who benefits from the Wall Street Journal knowing this? It's not Apple. No, the only benefit would be someone trying to sell their company and seeing what the temperature is out there and maybe getting a higher price. Is that what you're trying to say? I mean, if they seem like they might be going to Apple, then either they get sold to somewhere else. Here's what we know about title. It's in financial trouble. Their offer to consumers, which was exclusives and a higher quality audio has fallen on deaf ears, pun intended. Nobody really cares about the higher quality audio, and as far as exclusive, they've gotten blown out of the water to the point where the guy who owns their company is on an exclusive single on their rival platform. They are going to sell to somebody. Who they sell to is a question, and we will hashtag have to wait and see. But, you know, it's so funny that they're denying that, you know, the acquisition is being discussed, but who else would be talking about this? Let's see what happens. All Electric Formula E racing wraps up its second season this weekend with a pair of races around Battersea Park in London. Faraday Future has announced Friday that it will become a technical partner and a stakeholder in Jay Penske's Dragon Racing Team. They got a new name for the team for next season, too. It's the Faraday Future Dragon Racing Team. They'll debut in the Season 3 opener in October in Hong Kong. Don't forget Faraday Future is funded by Chinese company Lei Echo, which will have a role in the sponsorship as well. Doesn't that sound like a children's book? Faraday Future is Dragon Racing. I wonder if it will become Lei Echo's Faraday Future Dragon Racing, or Jay Penske's Lei Echo's Faraday Future Dragon Racing. No, I think this is cool that Faraday Future, obviously trying to make a move into the market for electric cars and taking that Tesla approach of saying, like, hey, we got high-end cars, we can do racing. So, of course, they want to get into e-racing. However, don't forget, they're doing technical cooperation with an existing racing team. They're not bringing a brand new team in. You made a very good point in that this is the Tesla idea of do something small for a small number of people, maximize your press coverage from that, that will then benefit you going forward. As we will see and talk about in far more serious tones in a few minutes, scaling up the process of building an electric car company from scratch is a long, arduous, complicated and expensive one. What I don't think is apples to apples is putting tech and money and time and effort into a racing company is not the same as producing a small batch line of high-end cars that are then appreciated and grow cachet within a luxury market. One involves you actually making and selling these units. The other is, effectively, you putting your time, money and tech into generating press releases for your product. Not to say that Faraday Future, that they won't then do the second part. I'm just saying it's interesting, but it's not the same. Well, and side note to this is what kind of technology they learn by engaging in this. Do they come up with better procedures for their consumer products by working on this? I'm not saying I know whether they will or not, but you were telling me earlier today that e-racing is some powerful stuff with some unique challenges. Yeah, you know and this is a few years old research that I used to do for a former project, but electric car racing specifically drag racing and electric motorcycle racing is really only held back by the fact that we have built parts and drive trains for gasoline vehicles which cannot handle as fast as electric motors are capable of going or batteries are capable of charging a motor. It's very, very interesting to see e-racing kind of take off because the speeds that they are capable of are insane. It almost makes you think that they should not be putting humans in cars that would go as fast as electric cars could go because if we think that Formula One racing is dangerous, it is nothing compared to the speeds that they could get with electric cars. All right, let's take a moment to thank all the folks who submit stories on our subreddit, Leithander, Abatuele Kondolse, Kevville, Jeff Rose, Motang and more at dailytechnewshow.reddit.com submit stories that vote on them there, dailytechnewshow.reddit.com that's a look at the top stories. All right, the U.S. National Highway Transportation and Safety Administration is investigating a crash. It's a preliminary look into a preliminary evaluation of a crash that killed 40-year-old Ohio man, Joshua Brown while driving a 2015 Tesla Model S on May 7th. Tesla reported the accident because the Tesla autopilot system was engaged at the time. It is the first known fatality in 130 million miles of autopilot driving according to Tesla. What was happening, I think is the most important thing and it's sometimes hard to tell from the various stories. So from the multiple reports on this from the Associated Press from Tesla itself, from the NH TSA it seems like it was a divided highway but not an access-controlled highway. So in the United States, people know the interstates are all access-controlled. Motorways in the U.K. for instance are access-controlled. The Autobahn, that's where you have to get on an on-ramp or an off-ramp. This was not that kind of highway. This is the kind of highway where there is a side road and you can turn left even though you've got multiple lanes of traffic going at high speed. A tractor trailer, 18-wheeler was turning left into the highway when Joshua Brown approached in the Model S and drove his 18-wheeler, or drove his Model S underneath the trailer which was perpendicular to the road. The autopilot brakes did not engage, as we mentioned. The passenger or the driver, sorry, did not engage the brakes either according to Tesla. They are guessing that the white side of the trailer against the bright sky may have been the problem for the autopilot which didn't detect the trailer. There have been previous incidents where call vehicles were not properly detected by parking cars. So there may be something there. And then Frank Buresi, the 62-year-old driver of the truck, said that he noticed after the wreck that the car was playing Harry Potter. He said he didn't see a video but he could hear the movie playing at the time of the crash. He also said that Brown was driving so quickly that he went through the trailer faster than he could see. He's like, I didn't see him until after he was already passed. So, Justin, there are two knee-jerk reactions here. One is to say there, I told you autonomous car is not safe. The other knee-jerk reaction is to say, hey, this was the driver's fault. He didn't pay attention to Tesla's very severe warnings about using autopilot and he was going too fast. The problem with both of those is we don't know. We don't know why the autopilot failed and we don't know why Joshua Brown didn't hit the brakes or what was going on in the car at the time. And just so you know, a little background here, Tesla doesn't turn on autopilot by default and requires you to acknowledge that it is a public beta. It requires you to acknowledge that you are still responsible for the car and that you must keep your hands on the wheel at all time and while you are driving, if your hands are detected to be off the wheel, the car will remind you, hey, you need to have your hands on the wheel right now. So, let's unpack the two issues that you had mentioned one by one. Number one, as far as the safety of autopilot goes, it is telling that in Tesla's official statement on this that they mentioned what the failing of autopilot, which is a known problem, a known sticking point, which is that if you in a camera based system you have some of these blind spots or the abilities for the camera to not totally track everything. Tesla in the past has been very aggressive in pointing out user error in some of the publicized cases of their cars failing, specifically when it came to batteries exploding and cars being run off the road, that kind of stuff. Tesla in general has not been shy about saying this is not unsafe, drivers are unsafe, no matter what car we make, we are going to make cars in which unsafe drivers will do dumb things. They took a more measured approach with this I think wisely so since this is the first death, they reported immediately to the national highway and transportation and safety administration after the rec happened, according to Tesla at least they have now come forward with it publicly after the NHTSA announced that they were going to start investigating the Tesla but here's what I want to ask you Tom, because Tesla is right, nothing that they said is wrong in terms of saying that they this is something that you have to opt into this is something that they have to make a very, very conscious effort to use autopilot I'm referring to. It is a beta, however what we very, and I think rightly so saying the praises of Tesla for is because they are a tech company making cars in the tech world the world in which they are from and they wear proudly the term beta and the way that they've demoed the autopilot where they put bloggers in a test track that has all these crazy flashing lights so they can make viral videos of people squealing at how amazing it is is not presented like an experimental auto feature it's presented like a beta feature in the same way it is presented that way publicly, it is presented like Gmail is a beta or was forever a beta product something that has come along but they want to say we might tweak here and again before it is an official opt in part of things. Now I don't think that's a bad idea for Tesla. I don't think they've done anything wrong per se however it would not surprise me if they have a more subdued approach into showing off these features going forward because these are the realities that sometimes people die. Yes, and that's a really important point here this is the headline death that was going to happen to any system it's not the first time someone has died in a Tesla it is the first time to Tesla's knowledge that someone has died with the autopilot on we don't know if the autopilot was the cause and I don't know that we can know so the question you're asking is the important one which is is it irresponsible to have autopilot in there yet when you call something a beta you put it into a car a lot of very reasonable people say that's irresponsible you never put things in a car that are not thoroughly safety tested on the other hand Tesla says this is thoroughly safety tested the reason we put it in as a beta is because this is the next step of the test it's not that it isn't ready it's that we want people to be very careful with it so we call it a beta because we don't want to turn it on by default we don't want everyone to just use it for years and I think the most important statistic to keep in mind there is this is the first fatality in 130 million miles of driving if that is correct and I believe it is that compares to the numbers from 2014 which are the most recent that I could find from the insurance institute for highway safety show that there were 1.08 deaths per 100 million vehicles miles traveled so that compares as baseline to me that says the autopilot on did not make the car more or less safe than the average driver so to me you can't really say well autopilot caused this to happen you can construct a scenario where Joshua Brown was driving while distracted too fast without autopilot on and this exact same thing happens you then have to ask well why did an autopilot work and that's important too but Tesla has never said autopilot will save you from a crash in an illegal way they may have implied it in lots of their marketing and that may be irresponsible but the fact that they're calling it a beta is the reason they're calling it a beta is they're not putting it out there like airbags to say this will save you well an autopilot has not been touted as a safety feature it's been touted as an enhanced version of cruise control which by the way according to a 2013 French study makes you more likely to get into a crash this was something that we found in the Wall Street Journal based on a series of trials of simulators within a group of 90 drivers of varying ages the researchers found that episodes of drowsiness increased 25% when participants were using cruise control the Strautsberg study also found that reaction time to emergencies was lengthened by a second on average corresponding to an extra 40 meters or 131 feet when the car was traveling the maximum speed limit in the testing zone so what we have here is a very new novel and interesting stories with gigantic consequences that is also fairly essentially kind of the same thing that we have known based on previous automotive research going forward and that's before we even factor in because again we are hashtag we don't know here today but there is at least enough preliminary evidence to suggest that the man who was unfortunately killed or unfortunately died rather had a strong if not overconfident faith in the autopilot system there are videos online of him lifting his hands off the steering wheel and recording it him touting it and calling it the best car he's ever owned he loved the car, he loved the feature did that lead to overconfidence we don't know we will probably find out going forward but I think we need to be careful here in drawing a circle around what we call safe and unsafe it is very important to keep in mind that statistic of one death in 130 million miles versus one death every what was it exactly 1.08 deaths every 100 million vehicle miles for regular cars it's easy to look at this and go well there you go somebody died while using autopilot autopilot isn't safe if you say that then you also have to say someone died not using autopilot a regular car therefore cars aren't safe cars aren't safe that is not going to get you any farther along this road it is definitely worth studying does autopilot or even these assistant cruise control systems cause us to tend to be less responsible behind the wheel because we're putting too much trust in these systems that aren't quite ready for that trust yet and if so what other steps can we take I think Tesla took a very good one and having a system to get your hands off the wheel if you're someone who ignores that constantly though that's not going to do any good it's eulofatigue as someone in the chat room said earlier you just get used to hearing the warning and you don't pay any attention to it so what other system is there however Tesla also does slow the car down if you don't put your hands back on the wheel so there has to be some activity to say well they're saying I should touch the wheel I'm going to touch the wheel again just to make sure that that warning turns off so what else can be done that is something for study I don't personally think this means that autopilot is dangerous or that autopilot shouldn't be allowed to be tested further I do want to reiterate I think that there is a conversation to be had with Tesla's language and presentation of some of this stuff though I think that there is at least from my perspective maybe this is just a maturation process for that company which I think is understandable and just comes along with everything but this is not showing off a new iPhone feature this is not showing off a new cloud service this is not that kind of beta you know when you are dealing with a beta feature in a car whenever you step in a car you are putting your life in your hands whenever you are dealing with a beta feature in a car it needs to be dealt with with the same kind of seriousness so yeah I am looking forward to finding out if they find out why the autopilot didn't kick in and what rate of speed the car was traveling at and anything else I look forward to this preliminary evaluation this is what is supposed to happen the NHTSA investigating this with the preliminary evaluation means that there are things we don't know and we want to try to find them out Tesla cooperating with that so them is not a condemnation and NHTSA has been very clear to say this doesn't mean we expect to find anything wrong it means we need to find out what happened and that's what we do so let's let them do their job also by the way real quick before we wrap up on this just to factor in please read up on the man who lost his life on May 7th a fascinating person that left the Navy and was a member of SEAL Team 6 yes that SEAL Team 6 just a remarkable person he owned his own technology company was a huge believer in EV and it seemed the way that Tesla talked about him was somebody that was on their radar that they knew about for a while so very much worth reading about that person it is certainly a shame that this has happened read up on him yeah a moment for Joshua Brown alright let's get to our messages of the day a bunch of them to get through quickly here Andy writes regarding your discussion about driving your car home after a night out on the town there is a service that exists where he lives called over the limit dot ca where you can get someone to drive you home Michael Westbay says a year or two back you were fascinated by the anti-shark technology on the Trans-Pacific Cable and wondering why Google was getting into the trouble of installing the connection to Japan the answer came on a Japanese language podcast I was listening to the 2020 Olympics is going to be carried over those pipes huh well I'll be where is the 2020 Olympics they are in Japan but I yeah Tokyo Jonathan from Solidly Summer Northern Illinois says in episode 2792 Tom and Scott talked about Zuckerberg's laptop camera over here of the same action for tablets or phones is the danger only computers do we need more tape does Darren have all of this covered well first of all I think I'm not going to speak for Darren because he's not here today but I have had Darren tell me directly that he thinks the worry about cameras is overblown but yeah no when we say computer cameras we're just taking a shortcut rather than lengthening the show by saying computer cameras but also those in tablets and phones and two in ones we're just yeah any camera that's out there we look at computer cameras because in general if they are operating they are looking at something right if you know phones if you were to exploit a phone camera how much of that time is just there in your pocket always people looking like this oh that's what people do I mean listen when people cover up their cameras that are like in their bedroom it's because it sometimes is pointing at things like their bed or their bathroom or something like that there is an element to it that is more relevant than just happening to a be a camera and Dave who teaches in Vermont has been beta testing Amazon's Inspire platform as part of the federal go open campaign he says one reason for choosing the platform was the star rating system he says quote as far as I know the platform has been thoroughly vetted and Amazon has made a commitment to the project going forward so yeah there is one more teacher saying yeah Amazon Inspire is fine I am looking forward to it it's going to help me on my job thank you Justin Robert Young once again what do you got going on to tell folks about oh jeez well you want to know what just go ahead and follow me at Justin our young on twitter and you want to know what actually I don't know if there is any fans of the FSL Tonight podcast but there have been meetings there have been some prep has begun if you are interested in learning more head on over to patreon.com slash fsl tonight thank you Len Peralta for illustrating the show and especially the story of Lewis Rossman today yes yes it was a little bit it was a tough one to draw for the main 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and then on Tuesday a special VR episode with Patrick Beja, Aaron Carson and more talk to you then this show is part of the frog pants network get more at frogpants.com Diamond Club hope you have enjoyed this bro nice I love alright so can I have a thoroughly ignorant American take on language and idioms sausage sizzle I find the British English the differentiators in terms of words and terms and stuff to be familiar yet impenetrable I find the Australian difference just so delightful a sausage a sausage sizzle and a cake stall I want both of those this is so great and so apparently people are just setting up little grills no it's the law in Australia that you have to vote is that correct oh I don't know is it I think there's a compulsory Roger fell out of the chat Roger is it the rule in Australia that you have to vote as a compulsory yes it's compulsory ironically enough it was done in the early 1900s by the which is interesting because the Conservative Party is the Liberal Party Liberal Party of Australia is a Conservative Party and the Labour Party Liberal Party but the Conservative Party they kind of pushed that through so they could get the hinterland votes because they knew if they just relied on the urban votes they wouldn't get in so they forced everyone to vote so they knew they would get in but show titles I'm going to call it the Tesla Model S Crash yeah because with today's they were saying it in the chat room earlier there's no way to be funny about that and there's some good other suggestions on showbot.tv don't get me wrong but we're just going to play it very straight very descriptive alright guys I do got to tap out because I have another call starting one minute ago alright man and I'm going to go to have a nice but I was Len before you go so one thing that we're getting on the survey is that the people who listen to the audio are like we like knowing about the poster but we can't see it and the people who are on the video are like more poster so I'm thinking to split the difference we maybe shorten up our discussion about it in the audio version but then on the video afterwards you can show more and talk more about it oh okay sure so I don't know if you have anything left because I didn't tell you that beforehand but oh no I don't even no it's just sort of a funny one the one today obviously it was tough you know I get these stories and it's really really tough to to draw them sometimes this one it was particularly difficult only because how do you make a poster or commemorate a poster about someone dying in a car crash we were talking about it in our Slack and there's like yeah there's nothing you can do there right right so so the Lewis Rossman story seemed pretty interesting to me one of the reasons why was because I didn't know who Lewis Rossman was and here he was this you know kind of coming out against this against Apple in this sort of defiant way so originally what I was gonna do is I was gonna do this little kind of cartoon of this Manhattanite you know this Lewis Rossman until I went and looked him up and I'm like okay he's a good looking dude I'll actually just draw him and make him a part of the story sort of you know making him this post you know literally a poster child for the for the fair fair repair and you have the whole bill that's you know an underdog bill that's probably not gonna make it but there's people fighting for it and right exactly so it was this kind of this there's a little bit more humor there the fact that we have someone in the chat room who actually went by the store today to go see what he had done and if his store was still open was pretty cool so this one was an interesting one to do only because it was quick it was easy I'm pretty good at caricature so it was a pretty quick little take on Rossman and it just you know was sort of a you know that's one thing about when I do these posters I try to think oh is there anything beyond like would someone want to hang this up you know would someone want to put this in there in their cubicle or whatever or frame it or whatever and this one is just so esoteric it's so strange you know like it begs the question well what is the fair repair acts a lot of people have not heard about it so the people who are really excited about this and there are plenty of them might get very excited about the poster to I don't know yeah well we will see I mean it was one of these things where it's a very it's very niche right yeah it's very very there's a very small market for this sort of thing but like I like you said if there's someone interested in the fair repair act it might be something to put up and it starts a conversation that's one of the things I try to do with the drawings at least at least start a conversation because they're sort of out of context and you know just a little bit a little bit interesting but yeah I like that that was a good call too yeah yeah I had agreed posters I had done I had done Apple Spotify in the past and so I thought well this this will be interesting and you know and it turned out I was just going to draw this kind of like you know crazy looking you know New Yorker you know but then I realized that well no this guy is a real guy he's got a visual presence so people who know his channel will recognize him exactly that's why I when I when I just tweeted it out I tagged him but it doesn't seem like he he uses his Twitter all that much but who knows you never know might be kind of fun no for sure I will thanks for letting me know that definitely we'll talk about that in the after show thanks for the feedback everybody yeah yeah now keep it coming at bit.ly slash dts2016 we have a lot of people who are saying things about day six on the positive and the constructive criticism side and so Peter and I are going to take all of that into account and talk about ways to make that show even better and maybe make the access work better for some people as well so surveys really help help them quite a bit. Excellent oh yeah and I vaguely alluded to it because the official launch is going to be on Tuesday so Monday's headlines only show will be the introduction to the headlines only feed but if anybody doesn't know there's daily tech headlines and it's up on dailytechnewshow.com it's been up there for about a month as we've been beta testing I alerted the iTunes people about it so fingers crossed maybe we'll get some promotion out of them but July 5th is the official day where we're like yes daily tech headlines is now official you can subscribe in iTunes and downcast and pocketcast and overcast wherever great podcasts are sold go do that and it's for people who either love listening to dailytechnewshow but sometimes feel like they're falling behind here's a way for you to catch up because it's less than 10 minutes a day just the headlines or people who are like you know what I just need a quick update I don't need a daily show that's 30 to 40 minutes that's your show it'll give you all the important news every day in less than 10 minutes cool and while we're promoting shows I want to mention I want to mention people I do another podcast on tested.com called Creature Geek which is not about tech at all but it's about special effects and makeup we have this week's guest is the legend Rick Baker joined us to talk this past week and so if you're a big fan if you know Rick Baker's work it's a definite really cool conversation that's a great yeah yeah it was very very cool he talks a lot about the past and some other kind of cool stories that he has so yeah it's a true honor to talk to that living legend and so that's at tested.com and the name of the show is called Creature Geek with me and Frank Ippolito another legend both of you in your own ways it's pretty cool let me get to your Independence Day weekend and everybody in America at least have a great Independence Day well everybody in Canada have a great Canada Day right now and everybody in America have a great July 4th and the Indians are still the top of the 14th the top of the 14th inning so we'll see what happens who comes out the winner on Canada will it be Toronto or will it be America yeah I'm pulling for it's the revolutionary war all over again alright guys good seeing you take care thanks Len cool so it should be good for Tuesday and anything else and you got Monday yeah I'm still uploading yeah Monday I'm not sure what I'm going to do because of the first holiday since we officially launched the headline show but since we had the headline show where I'm like well if I just do headlines then I'm kind of doing the headline show so I think what I'll probably do is I will make a headline show that goes in the Daily Tech headlines feed but then I will also make a version of that that is me explaining the headline show and why it's launching and all of that what are you going to do moving forward for other I don't know the next one will be Labor Day but to figure it out on Labor Day I'm open I'm open to ideas maybe I could just do a quick one topic opinion thing for a few minutes or I could just I would just take the headline show feed but then people who subscribe to both would get twice so that's a little weird would rants be weird rants you know like YouTube rants where they just get something off their chest oh sure no that's kind of what I'm thinking with the you know the like a five minute opinion piece kind of thing to cause rants that's what everyone at Discovery go you got to do more rants it's okay yeah maybe I'll do a rant except I don't always want to rant does that mean I'm not doing it right well the whole point behind a rant is that it's very emotional like it's viewed with a lot of like visible energy maybe I could tie it like a rant tied to the holiday but would that go off the tech thing well no I'd be like the tech of labor and my rant about tech of labor on Labor Day or the tech of independence and how it gets I don't know that's a horrible idea I mean I could see it like you could probably touch upon like automation like you know automation is coming you know blah blah blah what was that study that said like these particular ten jobs are at risk of being automated out of out of existence where either through computers or combination computers robotics technology people won't be ever doing them again kind of thing it's like don't fear I don't know what to tell people I would probably just say SOL it's going to hurt for a generation or two Biocast says I should do a rant on why I don't like rants cool I could do that once you could do one on on the one thing that it's hard because technology so fluxed all the time but it's prediction predictions that would be good for the end of the year oh maybe a viewer's choice where they submit like their top three you render that kind of thing but the whole point of the holiday episodes is that there are things I can do very quickly and efficiently and if you start to bring in votes then that adds a complication to that so I'm not sure that works why don't you pick your favorite piece of retro tech that's a good one for my youtube channel actually oh gosh dang it I don't know what you want to tell me keep them coming they're all good no we're done I'm not bloated so thanks everybody for watching have a lovely holiday weekend or regular weekend depending on what country you live in and as soon as I can actually find the hangout there it is I will end the broadcast I'm looking forward to custard yay custard


40% of something. Feeling like what? Sorry. 40% of full energy. What I think is my full energy. Who knows? 40% low. So. Bentley. Cool. Hey. Yo. How are you doing? Was that to Bentley? I was just checking in a little bit, Bentley, so. Really, and I, Peter.  And it wasn't COVID in our case, but so I'm catching up and getting stuff done. So not much interesting stuff going on. Sorry about that.  Pete, did you want to check in? I'm doing well. Not going to win. Majelo, how the earth is going on. Yeah. Some cool stuff on math and wiki, chat GPT is cool. Yeah, look at boss. Has there been any activity on the project with Matthew to there? There has been a little bit. Yeah, I'm going to type online 15 in the docs. I don't know that there's a bunch of external stuff. We had some we haven't we haven't moved too much. But the website is now on a reasonably permanent URL, tftmap.massive.wiki. Oh, cool. And hoping to have phase zero done next week sometime, I think. Oh, that looks really good. Yeah, it's yeah. Is that a mock-up that's driven by data or what? It's a mock-up, total mock-up by Matthew. Good work. I guess there's a let me see if there's anything useful on today's Massive Wiki Wednesday notes. Nothing from nothing, nothing on tftmap project. Do the cool stuff, maybe I'll maybe not. Yeah. Do you want to sort of say where the math has gotten to or where it's stuck or what needs to happen next? Yeah, and actually I should maybe talk a little bit about Massive Wiki and since I'm talking. 25 minutes off focus. The robots are with us. Yeah, sorry, I forgot to turn it off. Let me see if I can share my browser.  I hacked the Massive Wiki theme to have this little notice bar, which was a whole big thing. Anyway, and then separately, I've been talking with Jonas and San a little bit about Massive Wiki themes and general and stuff, so I know way more about CSS frameworks than I used to, and it's all sadness and disappointment. No, that's so bad. Is that ribbon a part of the standard default theme or is that something you have to choose and add? It's hacked into, it's not part of the standard theme, although you're welcome to copy it if you really wanted to. The other thing that this made me realize was that this theme is originally from Bulma and the thing that keeps the top bar, which is nice and doesn't scroll, the thing that keeps that from bumping into the content is actually just having this content have the CSS equivalent of break, break, break, break, or paragraph, paragraph, paragraph. It's just a static thing. So this made a difference when you make this thing small. I don't know if this is an example of it. But anyway, this thing used to wrap and then it would actually overrun the content down here. And so this version of this theme has a little bit more space bumping down. Whole thing's terrible. Cool.  We have another theme where there's a static sidebar that doesn't scroll while the content scroll. I was looking at Wikipedia and stuff. And there's a bunch of websites that the sidebar scrolls, the top matter scrolls, we're trying too hard is my. Yeah, you also have to be careful with mobile. When you scroll or when you get fancy with? When you get fancy, leaving it scroll is better for mobile. Yeah, the fancy stuff works. Now, this is interfering with positive, but there's a hamburger menu there. The themes that I've been using for Mass of Wiki are mobile friendly, even the one with the sidebar that doesn't scroll. But then, of course, the sidebar takes up too much space. Yeah, I mean, the head or not is going right now. You lose about a fifth of your mobile phone. Yeah. Yeah. On a side note, I've never been able to make the hypothesis bar not render there. I tried. Yeah, I haven't tried that. That's another whole thing. Yeah. I tried the way it's documented, and it's just not working for me. So it's there as well in the algorithm. I will try to fix it as well, and I'm sure I will run into the same thing as you. Or not, and then I'll copy your solution. That would be awesome. Also, if the menu ever gets wide enough, I don't know if you like it switching to a hamburger or a menu button. But all that stuff, I do a lot of. So if you ever need help with CSS. OK, thank you. Making it sticky at the top to where it doesn't. You don't have to pad or it automatically just do some things. I've done between menu bars and hamburgers. I'm getting a little hungry. Let's say that's helpful, Bentley, because I've had a lot of thought, obviously, about. So anyway, the other reason I could talk about that little thing is because I can click here. So if you look at the project plan. Version zero is basically a mockup of stuff. And so I can show you the air table. We have basically Matthew says we're pretty close to phase zero. All we have to do is Pete needs to fill in his contact information and a few more things, and we're good to go. So while I've got the screen, let me also talk about Massive Wiki. I've got a new thing called Tech Notes, which is a little bit like an RFC or a PEP from Python. And the first one was about moving to, I think it's in here someplace, moving off of GitHub, I guess. So it looks like Massive Wiki stuff. We're going to move code, and Wiki is largely over to Code Berg. I don't see a good link here, but. And the link to this HackMD, this HackMD happened just like an hour ago. So it's not yet at a permanent location, and this isn't going to stay at this location. So a little bit later in the column, move this to a permanent page, and then put the link to it. But so first thing that was about moving off of GitHub, maybe onto Code Berg, thought a lot about different other things. The next one is about something called Permanent Versions, which is, conceptually to me, it's similar to permalinks and what permalinks did for blogs. The kind of the short thing is a Wiki is supposed to be bubbling and burbling and changing all the time, and so it's always felt weird to me to point into, give a link to a Wiki page. Because if it's a healthy Wiki, it will have been composted away from what it was, and maybe even subsumed into other pages by the time you click on it. So this is a proposal plan to have a process for making a permanent version of the page. And Matthew was really thoughtful with some comments this morning about different ways to do that, and it made me realize that there are use cases where you want to have a more formal document management kind of thing, and you can do that in Massive Wiki. So if you were doing a government Massive Wiki, I think I can close this now, because I can't see the screen very well. If you're doing a government version, you might have versioned pages and links between versions and stuff like that. For more casual or more Wiki use, I'm actually not expecting very fancy heavy-handed version management, which you can kind of get from the Git log. And I'm not really thinking about helping readers much with getting from this version to the next version to the next or the previous version, previous version, previous version. Matthew was saying that Gordon Brandner is doing that subconscious, for instance. So the permanent versions thing, it's going to be like, here's the way it was. And if you want to find out more about this, search around for different versions of this or things like that. And in kind of thinking through that and talking to Matthew, part of what I hope, I guess part of what I hope for Massive Wiki and content in general is that it's going to morph and change and get copy and pasted in sections to all different kinds of places and all different things. And I think that's a beautiful and wonderful thing, even though it's not very database-y right once. And don't repeat yourself. I really like that organic kind of combining and merging and changing and spreading. So that's part of what's under Massive Wiki. And then to compensate for that, to make it so that I feel that way now, I didn't feel that way 30 years ago about information. I would be much more careful about keeping sources and keeping track of what was going where. Nowadays, of course, we have text search and web search. That's pretty good. Very good. So I don't worry too much about content getting loose because you can always ask a bot to go find it. And now watching ChatGPT this week, it's even more so. It's like, hey, ChatGPT, read this page or it's descendants. Check out this page. Can you tell me some of the influences that were part of this page? And in the future, we'll get a much richer and more vibrant description. Yeah, it looks like Pete kind of came up with some of this, himself. Bill added some cool stuff that was pulled from this source and that kind of thing. I think that's, I don't worry too much about very strict version management and attribute management because I think search and AI is just going to get better and better and better and better. Brief question. It's all. I have a question. Go ahead, Peter. I'll remember. Go ahead. So you mentioned the how-to version and those interesting thoughts. But I guess I didn't quite get what this is what you want to target in massive Wiki. Is it going to be linked to a Git commit, an anchor, or something that says load this page in this commit? Or is it going to be pointing time? The latter. OK, makes sense. So essentially, you will pass some sort of like, you want the version closest to a point in time run, like a retry, and the system sort of finds the right point in history. Actually, what I'm expecting to do, and this, the tech note literally is still a little bit in draft mode and I finished that draft this morning. I've been thinking about it for a few days. So this might all change. But what I'm thinking is going to happen is I'm going to use the same publishing process that I do to make a website. But I'm going to make a single HTML file and then actually take a SHA-256, check some of that, and use that as the URL fragment for it as the file name. So I kind of came up with that architecture intuitively. And then talking with Matthew, I realized a little bit more about why I was doing it. Matthew said, in the blogging world, especially in the olden days, the old blogosphere, you could go back and edit a blog post to fix a typo or something like that or update a link. But there was an unwritten code, a code of ethics, which was once I've made a blog post, I'm not going to, here I'm saying, well, I'm confused about this thing. You don't go in later and say, I'm so smart about this topic. You don't change the meaning of the post. And you don't even edit it very much. So I was always weird. It was always weird for me using a Wiki as a blog because a Wiki is changing all the time. And that's a good thing, right? So I realized kind of what I want to do is make a point-in-time snapshot of the page in HTML, probably, rather than markdown. And because that'll be more kind of long-term and more useful for more people. And then snapshot the SHA-256 of it. And then that's a way of essentially codifying that code of ethics that we used to have in the blogosphere. And it's not that I really appreciate code of ethics more than I appreciate hard mathematical precise firm things. But the code of ethics existed in the blogosphere. It's not something that we have globally in the web. It's not a common cultural convention that a web page won't change. So in a way that SHA-256 URL is a way of demonstrating to people for all time whether or not they're of our culture or some subsequent culture hundreds of years from now. It's like when Pete says permanent version on a massive Wiki, what it means is this is a point-in-time snapshot. And I can actually confirm that by checking the hash. Interesting. So your finger thing to mention. It reminds me, it sounds like content-based addressing, no? Yeah. What you're going for. It's like I see the direction, you know? It's kind of content-based addressing. It's similar to it. But it's actually for a particular reason. It's for verification, verificability. Right. It's like a proof. Yeah, it's a proof. And it's funny. IPFS, of course, is this content-based addressing. So instead of SHA-256, I'm like maybe I should use an IPFS content ID. It turns out that the promise of IPFS content IDs is a little bit different than I thought. Given a file, it's easy to, and it's hard not to, it's easy to create different content IDs from the same file. It depends on kind of the way you hash it and the way you coalesce it with. IPFS is made as a file system, more or less. So it actually doesn't prefer to store individual files. What it does is puts the file in a data structure called the UNIX FS, UNIX file system. And then depending on chunking and stuff like that, the ID that comes out of that might be different depending on how you chunked it. So it turns out that the IPFS promise is that if you have a content ID, you'll always be able to retrieve the content. But it's not like a hash. It's not, you can't do it backwards. It's interesting. So it's a little bit like content-addressed file system, but it's really for verification and a proof. You said something else interesting, which was, so the, I'm wondering if it was like picking a hash out of the Git log. Another thing in conversation with Matthew is like, I guess in my mind at least, Massive Wiki has always had that idea of being able to point to a version and maybe get sometimes other tools. Git isn't necessarily part of Massive Wiki, versioning is. But it made me realize that for people like Matthew, who aren't geeks, I need to, we need to, Massive Wiki needs to present a better interface to the Git log because Matthew stole like, you know, I'm going to save this version of this file as another file name in the Wiki. And I'm like, yeah, you actually don't need to do that because it's all on Git log. And he's, well, that's cool. But then if there's a thousand comments, how do I search to a thousand commits for the interesting ones?  So it made me realize that we need to make it more of a first class operation for a non-technical person to say, give me the version history of this file or give me, you know, when did this paragraph get introduced in the Git history? And that's something that I can do because I'm a geek but everybody should be able to do that. Just two key comments about the topic. One is like, and did you really consider this? But like, I didn't quite get exactly how the hash will be used, but the fact that you're hashing the HTML output, I guess that introduces an dependency on the particular rendering engine you're using unless you're, you plan to store the HTML for each version, but you wouldn't be able to like in the future rely on just having the hash to find the right version if you don't have the same engine, you know. That's correct. My intent is actually to render the page and then save the HTML. Yeah, okay, it makes sense. If you save it, that makes sense. So that's where like, I guess, yeah, you could save it. And then the styling of that might break or something like that. If it depends on external CSS file. Exactly, but the content should still be fine. Yeah, it makes sense, it makes sense. Jerry, so you had a comment. Yeah, it was, you have to scroll quite a ways back in what we've been saying. I typed it partly in the chat, which is Pete, does a shift to CodeBird mean more complexity, less complexity, same, same, just a different host? CodeBird is fairly analogous to GitHub and actually even the interface is very familiar to a GitHub user. So it's, I think it's not as complete as GitHub, but otherwise it's conceptually very similar. So it's basically a copy and paste files into a new set of directories, open an account, et cetera, et cetera. Yeah, so CodeBird is committed to always being open friendly and they actually, they're running on software called GitTee, which has a storied history in itself. GitTee, the GitTee project recently, the maintainers decided to incorporate GitTee limited and commercialize a little bit, start making money off of consulting work. That made the CodeBird people freak out a little bit. So they announced a fork of GitTee, right now it's a soft fork called Forgeo, the yo part is spelled J-O. So that made me concerned a little bit. It made me feel a little bit unhappy, but I talked to it with John Abany, he's like, actually, no, that's a good thing to be. So GitTee itself is a fork of GOGS.  That's a rare, reclusive forkitude.   I put a two things up top, Gordon Brander and Paul Roney, which I'm happy to go to, but it's a change of topic. So I'll wait until everybody's done with whatever we're on here. So just to close on the anchoring, so we will discuss this at some point for the hour and like, I didn't bring anything. So there's no version reference or anything yet. I was gonna go with the GIT hash, the commit. And then I thought, and you're going back to the, how to, and this seems like an interesting side quest. I was, I wonder, since somebody has done this, it should be simple, like take the GIT commit, commits, and like produce like, you know, three words or four words, some mnemonic, traditional hash. I think there's probably like general libraries to do that. Yeah.  Yeah, that's brilliant. I like that a lot. I'm not sure exactly when I would use it, but I like the idea of it, yeah. Yeah. I mean, I guess it will make the, you know, just use that as anchor and perhaps more like user friendly, but yeah, I don't know.  And then which sort of like has a nice property that it deals this 3R UI for navigating because you can just change the date and get a different version. I am also aware of at least one very large documentation system based on my lab that supports a link into a particular commit or head. And then you can just like, it has built in like, you know, show latest or show adversion. Yeah. At some point when I'm really writing a massive wiki client rather than relying on other people's, I'm gonna be super interested in that kind of stuff. Helping, you know, helping people navigate, get history without being geeks. Right. Because of course, then I think I would like anything time-based will be, you could have wiki to wiki, inter wiki, inter hour or whatever links that are sort of consistent, you know, like you could browse cross wiki at the point of time. That's actually, yeah. I hadn't even thought about that as kind of a use case, but that's a great example. And yeah, Gordon Brander and some crunches, no? Yes, subconscious exactly. And I kind of wanna know what you're thinking about him and subconscious because I talked with him on Monday when I was at BetaWorks before I realized I was actually sick with COVID. And he like, he's really interested in maybe absorbing a piece of my brain data into NoSphere and figuring out what to do with it. And he was like, you gotta talk, gotta do this. And I'm thinking, is there a way to fold him into more of our collective work here so that we can all learn from that and do something there? So that's just a side note. And if he contacts me, I'll say, hey, there's a call you could join and I think some of us would be interested here in how that works, right? Yes, that sounds great, yeah, cool. And then Paul Roney is the founder of Cosmic and I did a podcast episode with him that I really, really like. He's very thoughtful. He's French. And he really loves computer history. So one of the things he's kind of spinning out is the possibility of a podcast or a community or a something to talk about. For example, some of the early visionaries like JCR, Licklider and the Weneaver Bush's Memex and all those kinds of things. What was the promise? What got fulfilled? What didn't get fulfilled? And how does that bridge to new tools and what kind of honoring and offering newbies and on ramp to the older visions of computing and then making it relevant for today.  And I know that we have several humans who are really like Chris Aldrich loves the history stuff and some of us know a lot about it. So I just wanted to put that in front of the group as well. That sounds very exciting. Cool. Any other relevant topics for where we are? It's on the topic of like importing your reign, which is something I've been like wanting to look at it a lot for a while. I just want to share that we do have now an aura for the future of the link up, which is just like right now it's being served as a mirror of, well, it's just like the same content as the reference aura, but I can empty it and I put whatever there. And yeah, so I guess I just wanted to share that. So it's A4TL for now, but then we can use any other. Yeah, and like this is running containers the new version of the setup. So it's easy to run many hours. And yeah, in general, it goes to be a composition of any number of data repositories or sources. And I guess tying back into the NOS here, of course, the NOS here developing is like technically a bit advanced, like completely different architecture, IPFS based and so on. But I would expect that the general problem of take an input in some format and produce some, you know, like it transforms it through a series of steps until it can be ingested into a NOS here. It will have like a common path, right? Up to some point, to some perhaps intermediate exchange format that is common to many platforms. Like, so it could be, you know, go to MasiWiki, of course, you could go into the Phylloshedini aura or OGM or your own aura. So I guess I'm interested in trying to keep it in mind and I don't know if that means we try to keep in mind like a common exchange format, like, you know, or at least we share, for example, like the, so the idea behind the current architecture, which has like aura breach as a separate component is that essentially, you know, if we have to pay the tax of, I don't know, like run a process so we can get data out of the rain, and then we do that once, right? We have actual days that just does that and produce like a common exchange format, one of those. Just sort of like, I mean, I would love to keep this in mind, not only because, you know, it could benefit many projects from the group, but also because like, I want to avoid repeating, you know, the common pitfall of open source and so on, which is like, we all end up in reinventing the wheel too much and paying like double or triple or in full, you know? Totally agree. One thing that came to mind while talking to Paul and telling him about Gordon Brander, wanting to suck in some portion of my brain was that, and this might be interesting in bridging to your Agra, was that we could take a couple of degrees away from the link I just shared in the chat, which is basically the link to those vision documents, like personal dynamic media by LMK and computer lib dream machines by Ted Nelson and Engelbart's demo and so forth and use that as a starting piece of, a starting web of content to play with, to do with importing and then to tell stories around, because that would sort of serve three or four different purposes in different ways. And that might be a nice, just might be a nice topic to choose as a focal point. So just to think about it. So I wonder, we've got a project called Meme Brain and we've got, which includes maybe Bentley and me and Mark and Tuan, Carol. We've got basically all of Jerry's brain in a Postgres database where each row is a node, I would imagine. So we already have that. I also kind of wonder, there's an odd thing about Jerry's brain. Jerry's brain is almost... These one. Yeah, that too. Yeah, there's two. The way Jerry uses the brain, he only has node titles. He doesn't have node bodies, which is good in some ways and bad in some ways.  So one of the challenges, I think, that our space has been dealing with for 30 years or whatever is everybody who's representing information represents a different shape of information. So a Miro node is not the same as the brain node. And so what we've been doing is, or sometimes we do lossy translations, but they're very lossy. I don't know how to resolve that kind of. Yeah, I mean, I think this is where like the rubber hits the role. I think that's a question, I don't know, yeah. And I mean, I guess, yeah, lossy, I think represent will be like lossy user friendly representations or lossy, you know, lossy useful representations and thought of, but maybe inaccessible like a lossless. But yes, how do you file? How do you file like say, like an image that doesn't have like an old mapping? Perhaps that means you need like a some level of indirection for like, at least, you know, at least you have a resource ID always. I guess, even if it's just a random. And then you can say, well, for anything that doesn't have a direct mapping go to the like backup database for mapping or yeah, but I will be very interested in that. I mean, I'm not interested in a lot of details. I'm actually like, no detail like Oriental, I know it's obvious, but like this seems very, very like, it needs to be solved. Essentially, there's no other way. And like starting with like, so I guess, you know, like we have Jerry's reign as like in one, in one, one side of the ring to put this on weight and like, and the sort of systems. And I think that's a very nice base case to start with. Yeah. Yeah. But I will personally be interested in any such, any reigns from this group to put it some way. Yeah, me too. Also to explore that diversity and for example, like the more general thing I'm, I think I'm most interested is like, how do like Jerry's nodes map to Peter's and Benley's? Yeah. Even how do we find if there is no mapping, right? Or like, you know, how to define that relatedness or that metric essentially of distance? Yeah. The, it's a tricky problem. And I'm not sure I share your optimism about being able to solve it. And I think the solution is, I don't know, so I guess my solution would be, I wish there were an open source version of Jerry's brain and then, you know, it and massive wiki could talk back and forth on link together, but you probably wouldn't, you know, you wouldn't try to translate one into the other. Dang, I distracted myself. Jerry's brain is a great map, but it's, I guess it would be super easy. It's super easy to represent Jerry's brain as a massive wiki, but it's a very degenerate massive wiki. He's a data term, not a... Man. Things I use. Well, I mean, what it winds up looking like is a series of markdown files that have a title, two thirds of which have a URL, 98% of which contain no text of any kind. Right? And all of which have some YAML or some other metadata that says, up, down, left, this is what you'll locate near me. But that's it. I mean, it's a degenerate wiki and massive wiki in the sense of it contains no content that you would normally refer to that way. So there's, I guess there's, under the quest of these things should interoperate, there is actually a simple way to make them interoperate. It's very simple to convert Jerry's brain into a massive wiki and I've done little ones. It's trivial, but it's not very meaningful either. So I can say that, oh yeah, I've represented parts of Jerry's brain and massive wiki. I could represent all of it trivially. But that is not the same as, I've done a useful mapping of it. But it's meaningful in the sense that you can have plugins to obsidian that give you mapping capacities that aren't native to obsidian that then let you see relationships or navigate through the connections. And exporting my brain content would give us the basis for picking up and then building a new fresh map that mirrors how the brain does stuff. And as you've heard 50 times from our conversations, I just need the simplest of things, up, down, left and some kind of interaction model and we're off and running. It's easy to, it's a little bit like a trap door function. It's easy to move Jerry's brain content over to a massive wiki. But then if you ever want it back in the brain, you can't do any massive wiki things with it. You're totally right that you could use massive wiki or obsidian or whatever, you can use tools to do different things with the data once it's in a format that a mapper or whatever. So that's true. But I guess another observation that we've had playing around with Jerry's brain is until it's easy to do one way. It's a trap door kind of translation, but it's a much harder problem to do it bi-directionally. And annotate it in massive wiki and then bring it back into the brain in any reasonable way. The brain is complicated also. It's not just the data format, it's also the fact that it's more closed. But it's both things. I guess I was also interested in, I think we can have different goals here. And I know Jerry, you have to also let it. So if we want to, for example, Jerry's brain in the context of like a wider knowledge graph, just could that be adding a lot of value in that context? And perhaps that's the first thing. And also it would be like, so something like having a search engine which like is upranking Jerry's brain all the time. That's interesting. Even if you don't solve the other way. So my apologies, I'm gonna shut down the recording you guys can all stay, but I've got to stop the recording so it saves it to my system. If one of you wants to keep recording, that'll work as well.


Former Bemidji Middle School Assistant Principal Brandon Bjorkness plans to plead guilty tomorrow in Beltrami County Court on state charges for engaging in electronic communication relating to or describing sexual conduct with a child. Bjorkness accused of using fake social media accounts to contact juveniles. Prosecutors say conversations between Bjorkness and the juveniles were sexual in nature and explicit photos were exchanged by some. Now on the eve of the hearing one of the victim's mothers is speaking out to Lakeland News about her ordeal. Now we're not using the parent's identity as that would also indirectly identify her child. The parent released a statement to Lakeland News and here is a portion of it. It reads, Brandon repeatedly violated my daughter and 54 other children. This was no mistake. This was no misunderstanding. This was calculated and perverted and he used his position of authority in the middle school to help him. This has been one of the most painful experiences of my life and without a doubt the most painful experience of my daughter's life. I have hoped that the judge will come down hard on Brandon and send a clear message that Minnesota values its children. Bjorkness's court appearance is scheduled in front of Judge Paul Benchroof tomorrow at 8 in the morning. Last week Bjorkness pleaded guilty in U.S. District Court in St. Paul to charges of child coercion and enticement and child pornography production. The crimes carry a mandatory minimum of 15 years in federal prison and guidelines call for a life sentence. If you've enjoyed this segment of Lakeland News please consider making a tax deductible contribution to Lakeland Public Television.


You've been asked to leave. I've been asked to leave, but that's not the same as being trusted. Yes, it is. It's not. Well being trespassed means that you are in violation of a formal request by someone who is an authority to ask you to leave and you refuse to leave. I'm not refusing to leave. I'm asking you grab your stuff and move. I'm not refusing to leave. Grab your stuff and move. Hey everyone, I have something a little bit different for you today than what you're used to. It's actually a topic I've been wanting to get into more and what happens in this video provides the perfect opportunity. I've talked about before how I actually agree with the left when it comes to police reform because I've seen a lot of evidence that there is a definite widespread issue with the police being very under-trained and uneducated, especially when it comes to people's constitutional rights. Let me just be clear about something I'm not a lawyer, but I've watched hundreds of these First Amendment audit videos on YouTube and it seems to me to be a pretty blatant violation of First Amendment rights. The clip I'm about to show you comes from Ben Berquam, who's the founder of Frontline America and a reporter for Real America's Voice and it shows a Maricopa County election official using an out-of-control sheriff to blatantly violate his First Amendment rights. Check this out. Yes, exactly. It's a free speech issue specifically because they are on public property. You can see there's a sign right there in a gate. If they were to cross that line, then they would be trespassing, but currently they are on public property. I'm going to have to ask you to step off the property until you receive the email that allows you the authority to come in. I'm asking you right now, I'd like you to step from behind the barricades and wait until you get your approved email. I'm asking you to step behind the barricades. I believe MCSO has had a discussion with you already about the property. You don't have approved authority, you don't have an approved email. I'd like you to step behind the barricades, please. You're saying I can't be on the property without approval.  So lots of folks have their approved media passes, which is why they're inside. So it's pretty obvious at this point that this jerk has deemed these guys to be partisan media because he wants to move them to the free speech zones, which are areas that are usually designated for protesters and demonstrators. But the fact remains, they're standing on public property right now. As you can see, they are behind the fence. The free speech zone is set up right outside the fence.  Sir, I hear what you're saying. I'm not going to answer your question. I'm not a constitutional lawyer. So where's the authority coming from? What I'm asking you is do you have an approved... You said you're not a constitutional attorney. I'm asking for somebody to answer it. But I've read the constitution. So have I, multiple times. And whose property is this? Sir, this is the property of Maricopa County Elections Department. And the citizens of the county? Sir, this is the property of the American Elections Department. Okay. You're not... I can't walk into IBM and I own stock shares. Right, but that's a public... That's a private company. You're not a private company. Right now...  No, that election official is just wrong. It's not comparable to IBM and owning stock in it. That's a private company. The election center there, that's on public property. So I went ahead and took a look at this area, because I just wanted to see where Ben and the Gateway reporter were at. And I'm pretty sure they were right up here in this area somewhere, which is public. And, you know, I don't understand how they could have been trespassed without breaking the law. You are being... You are being asked... This is public access. Sir, you are being asked to step behind the barricades. This is public access. We've been granted this event. Well, I haven't been until you came out here. Actually, they said to wait here. Sir? Fine. I guess that's it. Gentlemen, please leave the property. So grab your stuff. Have we been trespassed? Yes, you've been trespassed. Have we been... You've been asked to leave. I've been asked to leave, but that's not the same as being trespassed. Yes, it is. It's not. Well, being trespassed means that you are in violation of a formal request by someone who is an authority to ask you to leave and you refuse to leave. I'm not refusing to leave. I'm asking... Grab your stuff. So it's my understanding that they can't just trespass you from the property unless you've broken the law. Otherwise, public officials can just pick and choose who they wish to serve. You'll notice that they keep on asking him to leave, not ordering him to, which is why he's confused and trying to figure out what's actually happening. But they won't answer and they just continue to escalate, become more unhinged and more unprofessional. And you refuse to leave. I'm not refusing to leave. I'm asking... Grab your stuff and move. I'm not refusing to leave. Grab your stuff and move. All right. So we haven't been... Grab your stuff and move. We haven't been trespassed, guys. Grab your stuff and move. We haven't been trespassed. Grab your stuff and move. But we have the... Grab your stuff and move. This is the law fair. This is the law fair. We're both moving.  Grab your stuff and keep moving. This is what... Keep walking. We love law enforcement. I get it. But you have to comply with the law. They've asked you to leave. Exactly. What law did they break to be trespassed from public property? You'll notice this tyrant wearing a sheriff's badge never answers. In my humble opinion, that sheriff needs to lose his job for acting so unhinged and unprofessional towards a member of the public. Especially when that trespass was so questionable. As far as I know, you can't just trespass a member of the public from public property unless they've broken a law. I've seen this scenario play out over and over again in First Amendment audit videos that involve the police or public officials. They'll get upset about somebody being there with a camera and then call the police ultimately to learn there's nothing they can do because people have a First Amendment right on public property. Corruption like this from police and public officials is very common. And it's one of the reasons that I think First Amendment audit videos are very important. And I recommend that you all go and check some out. I'll make sure to link some of my favorites in the description and pinned comments. So ultimately, both Ben and the Gateway Punnit were denied their credentials with the reasoning being basically that they were biased in the eyes of the leftist at Maricopa County. Anyway, that's all I have for that. I hope you found it informative. If you did, please hit that like button, share, subscribe, and make sure to leave a comment to let us all know what you think. Thanks a lot.