Live from Las Vegas, it's The Cube! Covering AWS re-invent 2019. Brought to you by Amazon Web Services and Intel, along with its ecosystem partners. We're back at AWS re-invent. This is The Cube, the leader in live tech coverage. I'm Dave Vellante with my co-host, Justin Warren. This is day one of AWS re-invent. Rob Lee is here. He's the vice president and chief architect at Pure Storage and he's joined by Rob Walters, who's the vice president general manager of storage as a service at Pure. Rob, welcome to The Cube. Thanks for having us back. You're welcome. Rob, we'll start with, Rob Lee, we'll start with you. So re-invent, this is the eighth re-invent. I think the seventh for The Cube. What's happened at the show? Any key takeaways? Yeah, absolutely. Look, it's great to be back. We were here last year, obviously, big launch of cloud data services. So it's great to be back a year in and just kind of reflect back on how the year's gone for uptake of cloud data services on AWS. And it's been a banner year, right? So we saw over the last year, cloud snap go GA, cloud block store go GA, and just really good customer uptake, adoption and kind of interest out of the gates. So it's kind of great to be back, great to kind of share what we've done over the last year as well as just get some feedback and more interest from future customers and prospects as well. So Rob W, with your background in the cloud, what's your take on this notion of storage as a service? How do you guys think about that and how do you look at that? Sure. Well, this is an ever more, you know, increasingly important way to consume storage. I mean, we're seeing customers who've been, you know, got used to the model, the economic model, he has a service model in the cloud, now looking to get those benefits on-prem and in the hybrid cloud too. Which, if you know, you look at our portfolio, we have both of those, part of the pure as a service. Right, okay. And then so, pure accelerate, you guys announced cloud block store. Yeah, that's when we took a GN, right? So we've been working with customers in a protracted beta process over the last year to really refine the fit and use cases for tier one block workloads. And so we took that GA and accelerated.  I would think many parts of Amazon love cloud block store because you're using EC2, your front-ending S3, like you're helping Amazon sell services and you're delivering a higher level of availability and performance in certain workloads relative to EBS. Absolutely. So there's probably certain guys at Amazon that aren't so friendly with it. So that's an interesting dynamic, but talk about the positioning of cloud block store, any updates on uptake, what are customers excited about? What can you share? Yeah, absolutely. You know, I'd say primarily we're most kind of pleased with the variety of workloads and use cases that customers are bringing us into. You know, I think when we started out on this journey, we saw a tremendous promise for the technology to really improve the AWS ecosystem and customer experience for people that wanted to consume block storage in the cloud. What we learned as we started working with customers is that because of the way we've architected the product brought a lot of the same capabilities we deliver on our flash arrays today into AWS, it's allowed customers to take us into all the same types of workloads that they put flash arrays into, right? So that's their tier one, you know, mission critical environments, their VMware workloads, their Oracle workloads, their SAP workloads. They're also looking at us from everything from, you know, to do lift and shift, test and dev in the cloud, as well as DR, right? And that, again, I think, you know, speaks to a couple of things. It speaks to the durability, the higher level of service that we're able to deliver in AWS, but also the compatibility with which we're able to deliver the same sets of features and, you know, have it operating exactly the same way on-prem in the cloud. Because look, if you're going to DR, the last time, you know, the last point in time you want to discover that there's a caveat, hey, this feature doesn't quite work the way you expect is when you have a DR failover. And so the fact that we set out with this mission in mind to create that exact level of sameness, you know, it's really paying dividends in the types of use cases that customers are bringing us into.  So VMware cloud on AWS, is that a tailwind for you guys? Or can you take advantage of that at this point? Yeah, no, so I mean, I think the way I'd look at it is both VMware, you know, pure AWS, I think we're all responding to the same market demands and customer needs, right? Which at the end of the day is, look, if I'm an enterprise customer, the reality is I'm going to have some of my workloads running on-premise, I'm going to have some of my workloads running in the cloud. I expect you, the vendors, right, to help me manage this diverse hybrid environment. And what I'd say is, you know, there are puts and takes how the different vendors are going about it, but at the end of the day, that's the customer need, right? And so, you know, we're going about this through a very targeted storage-centric approach because that's, you know, where we provide service today. You know, and you see VMware going after it from the kind of application hypervisor kind of virtualization end of things.   That's been a, it's been hard to get a lot of that, those workloads in to date. Yep. And that's maybe the next wave of cloud. Rob W, I have question for you is, you know, Amazon has been kind of sleepy in storage over the S3, EBS, okay, great.  And so it seems like there's more action now in the cloud. What's your sort of point of view as to how you make that an opportunity for pure? Well, I've always looked at it as that there's been a way of getting your storage done and delivered on AWS. And there's been the way the enterprises have done things on-premise. And I think there was a sort of a longer-term bet from AWS. So that was the way things would sort of fall towards into the public cloud.  Absolutely, yeah. You know, hybrid is a real thing. It's not just something people said that couldn't get to the cloud, you know, it's a real thing. So I think that actually opens up opportunity on both sides, true enterprise class features that our enterprise class customers are looking for in the cloud through something like CBS are now available. But I think, you know, at Amazon and other hyperscalers, reaching back down into the on-prem environments to help with the onboarding of enterprises up into the cloud. So the Azure service side of things makes life a little bit interesting, from my perspective, because that's kind of new for Pure to provide that storage as a service. But also for enterprises, as you say, they're used to running things in a particular way. So as they move to cloud, they're kind of having to adapt and change. And yet they don't fully want to, hybrid is a real thing. There are real workloads that need to perform in a hybrid fashion. So what does that mean for you providing storage as a service? And still, to Rob Lee's point, still providing that consistency of experience across the entire product portfolio, because that's quite an achievement. Many other storage providers haven't actually been able to pull that off. So how do you keep all of those components working coherently together and still provide what customers are actually looking for? I think you have to go back to what the basics of what customers are actually looking for. They're looking to make smart use of their finances. CapEx potentially, they're moving towards RPEX. That kind of consumption model is growing in popularity. And I think a lot of enterprises are seeing less and less value in the sort of nuts and bolts storage management of old. And we can provide a lot of that through the Azure service offering. So we handle the capacity management monitoring. We've always done the evergreen service subscription so with software and hardware upgrades. So we're letting their sort of shrinking CapEx budget and perhaps their limited resources work on the more strategically important elements of their IT strategies, including hybrid cloud. Rob Lee, one of the things we've talked about in the past is AI. I'm interested in sort of the update on the AI workloads. We heard a lot obviously today on the main stage about machine learning, machine intelligence, AI, transformations. How's that going? The whole AI push, you guys were first, really the first storage company to sort of partner up and deliver solutions in that area. Give us the update there. How's it going? What are you learning? Yeah, so it's going really well. So it continues to be a very strong driver of our Flash Play business. And again, it's really driven by, it's a workload that succeeds with very large sums of data. It succeeds when you can push those large sums of data at high speed into modern compute and rinse and repeat very frequently. And the fourth piece, which I think is really helping to propel some of the business there is, as enterprises, as customers get further on into the kind of AI deployment journeys, what they're finding is the application space evolves very quickly there. And the ability for infrastructure in general, but storage in particular, because that's where so much data gravity exists, to be flexible, to adapt to different applications and changing application requirements really helps speed them up, right? So set another way, if the application set that your data scientists are using today are going to change in six months, you can't really be building your storage infrastructure around a thesis of what that application looks like and then go and replace in six months. And so that message, as customers have been through now the first, first and a half iterations of that really started internalized, hey, AI is a space that's rapidly evolving. We need infrastructure that can evolve and grow with us. That's helping drive a lot of second looks and a lot of business back to us. And I would actually tie this back to your previous question, which is, the direction that Amazon have taken with some of their new storage offerings and how that ties into storage as a service. If I step back as a whole, what I'd say is, both Amazon and Pure, what we see is, there's now a demand really for multiple classes of service for storage, right? FAS is important, it's going to continue to get more and more important, whether it's AI, whether it's low latency transactional databases or some other workload. So FAS always matters, cost always matters, right? And so you're going to have this stratification, whether it's in the cloud, whether it's on flash with SCM, TLC, QLC, you want to benefits all of those. What you don't want is to have to manage the complexity of tying and stitching all those pieces together yourself. And what you certainly don't want is a procurement model that locks you out or into one of these tiers or in one of these locations. And so if you think about it in the long-term, and not to put words in the other Rob's mouth, where I think you see us going with Pure as a service is moving to a model that really shifts the conversations with customers to say, look, the way you should be transacting with storage vendors, and we're going to leave the charge, is class of service, maybe protocol, and that's about it. It's like, where do you want this data to exist? How fast do you want it? Where in the price performance curve do you want to be? How do you want it to be protected? And give us room to take care of it from there. That's right, that's right. This isn't about the storage array anymore. You know, you look at the modern data experience message, this is about what do you need from your storage, from a storage attribute perspective rather than a physical hardware perspective, and let us worry about the rest. You have to abstract that complexity. Absolutely. You guys have all, I mean, simple is the reason why you were able to achieve escape velocity, along with obviously great product and pretty good management as well, but you'll never sub-optimize simplicity to try to turn some knobs. I mean, I've learned that following you guys over the years, right?  Yeah, no, absolutely. And what I'd say is, as technology evolves, as the components evolve into this world of multis, multi-protocol, multi-tier, multi-class of service, the focus on that simplicity and taking even more of it on becomes ever more important. And that's a place where, getting to your question about AI, we help customers implement AI. We also do a lot of AI within our own products and our fleet. That's a place where our AI-driven ops really have a place to shine in delivering that kind of best optimization of price performance, tiers of service, so on and so forth within the product lines. What do you guys see at the macro? I mean, as I say, you've achieved escape velocity check. Now you're sort of entering the next chapter of Pure. You're the big share-gainer, but obviously growing slower than you had in previous years. And part of that, we think, is part of your fault. You've put so much flash into the marketplace. It's given people a lot of headroom. Obviously, NAND pricing has been an issue. You guys have addressed that on your calls, but still gaining share much, much more quickly than most folks are shrinking. So what are you seeing at the macro? What are customers are telling you in terms of their long-term strategy with regard to storage? Well, so I'll start, I'll let Rob add in. What I'd say is, we see in the macro a shift, a clear shift of flash, right? We've called the shots since day one, right? But what I'd say is that's accelerating. And that's accelerating with pricing dynamics, and we talked about a lot of the NAND pricing and all that kind of stuff. But in the macro, I think there's a clear realization now that customers want to be on flash. It's just a matter of what's the sensible rate, what's the price kind of curve to get there. And we see a couple of meaningful steps. We saw it originally with our flash array line taking out 15K spinning drives, 10Ks really falling, with QLC coming online and what we're doing in flash array C. You know, the 7200 RPM drive kind of in the enterprise, you know, those days are numbered, right? And I think for many customers, at this point, it's really a matter of, okay, how quickly can we get there and when does it make sense to move as opposed to does it make sense? In many ways, it's really exciting because if you think about it, the focus for so long has been in those tier one environments. But in many ways, the tier two environments are the ones that could most benefit from a move to flash because a couple of things happen there. Because they're considered lower tier, lower cost, they tend to spread like bunnies, they tend to be kind of more neglected parts of the environment. And so having customers now be able to take a second look at modernizing, consolidating those environments is both helpful from a operational point of view. It's also helpful from the point of view of getting them to be able to make that data useful again. I would also say that those exact use cases are perfect candidates for an Azure service consumption model because we can actually raise the utilization, actually helping customers manage to a much more utilized set of arrays than the over consumption under consumption game they're trying to play right now with their annual capex cycles. And so how aggressive do you see customers wanting to take advantage of that as a service consumption model? Is it mixed or is it like we want this? There's a lot of customers which is like we want this and we want it now. We've seen a very good traction and adoption. So yeah, it's a surprisingly large, complex enterprise customer adoption as well. A lot of enterprise, they've gotten used to the idea of cloud from AWS. They like that model of dealing with things and they want to bring that model of operating on site because they want cloud everywhere. They don't actually want to transform the cloud into enterprise. That's right, no, exactly. I mean if I go back 20 plus years to when I was doing hands-on IT, the idea that we as a team would let go of any of the widget tree that we were responsible for never would have happened. But then you've had this parallel path of public cloud experience and people are like, well I don't even need to be doing that anymore. And we get better results. Oh and it's secure as well. Oh and the list just goes on. And so now as you say, the enterprise wants to bring it back on-prem for all of those benefits. One of the other things that we've been tracking and maybe it falls into the category of cloud 2.0 is this sort of new workload forming and I'll preface it this way. The early days of the past decade of cloud, infrastructure as a service has been about, yeah I'm going to spin up some EC2, I'm going to need some S3, whatever, I need some storage. But today it seems like there's all this data now and then you're seeing new workloads driven by platforms like Snowflake, Redshift, clearly throwing some ML tools like Databricks. And it's driving a lot of compute now, but it's also driving insights. People are really pulling insights out of that data. I just gave you cloud examples. Are you seeing on-prem examples as well or hybrid examples and how do you guys fit into that? Yeah, I know, absolutely. I think this is a secular trend that was kicked off by open source and the public cloud, but it certainly affects, I would say, the entire tech landscape. A lot of it is just about how applications are built. If you think back to the late 80s, early 90s, you had large monoliths. You had Oracle and it did everything, soup to nuts, your transactional system, your data warehouse, ERP, cool, we got it all. That's not how applications are built anymore. They're built with multiple applications working together. You've got, whether it's Kafka connecting into some scale out analytics database, connected into Cassandra, connected. It's just the modern way of how applications are built. And so whether that's connecting data between SaaS services in the cloud, whether it's connecting data between multiple different application sets that are running on-prem, we definitely see that trend. And so when you peel back the covers of that, what we see, what we hear from customers as they make that shift, as they try to stand up infrastructure to meet those needs, is again, the need for flexibility. As multiple applications are sharing data, are handing off data as part of a pipeline or as part of a workflow, it becomes ever more important for the underlying infrastructure, the storage array, if you will, to be able to deliver high performance to multiple applications. And so the era of saying, hey, look, I'm going to design a storage array to be super optimized for Oracle and nothing else, like you're only going to solve part of the problem now, right? And so this is why you see us taking within pure the approach that we do with how we optimize performance, whether it's across flash array, flash blade, or cloud block store. Great, excellent. Well, guys, we got to leave it there. Thanks so much for coming on theCUBE and sharing your thoughts with us. And have a good rest of the event. Thanks for having us back. All right, pleasure. All right, keep it right there, everybody, we're back. 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Let's look at what's going on in the National League right now. It's been fun. Bellinger and Yellich, obviously the MVP. And then Bellinger, they came into today's tie with 10 home runs. We've just showed you that Yellich hit his 11th. They're both hitting quite well. Who's going to finish, Frank, with more home runs this year? Yellich? I have no idea, no. Honestly, the way Yellich is playing right now in that homer-friendly ballpark, I think it's going to be Christian Yellich. His offense is so balanced. He's got a true professional behind him and Braun. This guy's going to see pitches all year long. And he's gotten great in this election of pitches at the plate. In that small ballpark, I see him having a bigger home run year than Bellinger by just a few. You know, Frank, how many home runs would you hit in Miller Park in one season? I think I can do 50 here. Right now, he could do 50. I'd probably, yeah. Who's going to run for me, though? I'm telling you right now. This is really some way to run for you. That would be an issue. That would be an issue. No more Frankenstein booths. You know what I'm saying? You know a freakin' bad peat, right?  That's a good job. You might as well bark to that accord, make some hot-top sneakers into spikes. That's how bad it was at the end, KB. So what'd he say? So no, I don't know who's going to run for me. My mic's still swinging, but I don't know who's going to run for me. The whole thing, that hurts all I know. That's all I know, too, right? Sorry. So we go there.  Of course, yes. The seventh inning base is loaded. It's what you want, right? Two superstars going at it. So to take us through what happened. Yeah, well, obviously, biggest, biggest about of the ball game. There's no doubt about it. And if we could run the tape, we can kind of go dig through the abat right here. I mean, if we miss and start off the abat with a great fastball away, get strike one. Continues to keep pounding the fastball, right? Fastball away, fastball in, fastball away. Another fastball, right? Bellinger starts to get on top of that. That's the pitch that changed the abat around right there. That slider down, got him a little off the fastball. And once again, the last pitch of the abat when Bellinger was looking for that slider, that he saw two pitches prior, he came back with a cheese. And when you're throwing 97 miles an hour, and you're spotting that ball down in a way, that's death for a left-handed abat. It's a tough chore for lefties against that guy. He has the ball so well, it jumps on you at 97. Lefties really have no chance. He's one of those guys that you have to guess right as a left-handed hitter, because I see right-handers, the ball jumps on the right-handers the same way with him, but lefties, no shot. Yeah, and you see how right there, KB, I mean, if you're Bellinger and you got a couple of good fastballs to hit in that abat, that's what I'm saying. That's the problem. If you miss that pitch against somebody like Hater, who's literally throwing outside of your body, it's so hard to get that good pitch again. I get somebody like that if you get your pitch, you can't miss it. I'm curious about a hitter though, right? And there was a very similar abat last week at Dodger Stadium, based a little bit turn-rubbed. It was the same thing. He threw only one slide of the whole sequence. But is that one slider, Frank, just enough to get in your head to think like, He has the ball so well and the ball rises at 97, 98 miles an hour. Bellinger's the hottest hitter in the game besides Yellidge. And he looked very average against him. That's how dumbin' this guy out of the bullpitch. Well, the one thing I think Hater's doing a great job of and the thing I struggle most of is pitchers throw in the same pitch off the same plane. If the fastball's coming off on this plane and the slider is as well with that dip late in the abat, hey, you never know what's coming. At that point, you're guessing, right? You can't tell. So let's start here. The Red Sox came in eight back of the race in last place. Frank, you thought this was a pretty big series for Boston starting. It's a huge series for Boston. They cannot afford to get down nine or 10 games back behind this team, December team, with the starting pitcher they possessed. Because these guys, believe it themselves, they won 90 games in this division last year. They're not intimidated by the Yankees or the Red Sox. So I'm bedding at the farm this weekend. Boston has to show up. If the best thing can do is sweep, then they need a sweep at this point. So you think the race is a great start. You think it's big for them. Yeah, I think it's huge for the race, especially for what happened with Boston in New York. They kind of need to get it going on. But on the other side, these are games that you circle early in the season, right? You're not gonna win the pendant or lose the pendant on these games, but you know what you're doing? You're setting these games up for September. You're letting the Boston Red Sox know exactly who you are. And let's be honest, man. Tampa hasn't exactly played Murderer's Row running early in the season, but for them to be in the position they are right now with the great start they have, the last thing that they want to do is let down against a team like the Boston Red Sox. Because like Frank said, if Tampa comes out and plays well in this series, Boston could be buried. You know, interesting, the race pitching has been great all year long, but tonight would have been a Blake Snelstart. And just remember, he dropped that granite thing on his toe, broke his toe. They made laws, but it's, you know, six-four ball game. Oh yeah? That's how good this team is. The game one goes. The Red Sox, of course, will play tomorrow and Sunday as well.


Welcome to Toffy TV. It is the match preview Arsenal vs Everton. Trip to the Emirates where we have only won once in its entire existence. Which was of course in the Covid season. We won one of the last 26 games away at Arsenal. Fair play. Consistent. But we did beat them. I feel that way. Two weeks ago, three weeks ago. Everton have never won a Premier League game against a team starting top of the league in the Premier League era. Is that a fact? That's a fact, eh? Losing 19 such matches, the Toffy's last league victory away to top flight leaders was in September 1986 when we won two on a Wimbledon. So there you go. Historically, we've been in September. That is incredible. So that's away from home now, of course. Yeah, yeah, away from home. Very difficult game, but you know what? We sat here a few weeks ago when we were looking at the Arsenal game thinking we've got absolutely zero chance of winning that game of football and we won it. So what were you feeling about this one? We've got absolutely zero chance of winning the match. I'll be honest with you and people will probably give me a stick for this, but I can't see anything other than a national victory on Wednesday. Saturday was obviously massively disappointing, but even if we'd have beat Philly, I'd have been looking at this thinking maybe the best we can get is a draw. I think they're playing, they're doing well. Obviously they had a little wobble. We beat them and the city beat them. They lost the city in the FA Cup as well, haven't they? True of Brentford. Yeah. I just haven't got goals in us. Do you know what I mean? The biggest for me this week, we've obviously got forest away on Sunday and that is the bigger of the two quite simply because they're by us. It would be, I hate myself for saying this, but it would be like damage limitation for me at this stage with Arsenal because goal difference will be a big thing. No, I understand what you're saying. I can't really sit here and project an ever and win. I just can't because you can't normally. Whenever they've had really good sides, we've gone down there and we've been poor. So you can't really envisage your win and that's the difficult thing with everyone at the moment, isn't it? We've won one away game all season, Southampton. We're going to Arsenal, but we went to the city with the Etihad and no one gave us a chance and we had a game plan and we hung in there and we got the goal. Even when we got the goal, there's plenty of time left for them to get another goal and they didn't. So you can't write it off, but do you think though, with the being three games in the week and a huge game on Sunday against forest, do you think there should be changes? Let's just have a look at the team I played Saturday. Obviously, this team has been the same for the last couple of games. Pretty much the team is used in all four games by a couple of changes. Can you see changes in there? Who would you look to change? It's difficult to see whether to look at it and go, he will make these changes, but he should do. I think there's a case for Gary Mina coming in. There's a case for Ben Goffrey coming in, to be honest with you. I understand people's points of view will go, this is a game though, and it's a game with points. I get that, I totally get that, but are we really asking Seamus Coleman to play three games in eight days? Tough games as well, not ones where we have all the ball and he hasn't got it. He's going to be up against Nellie Bosner y Gwdusyn, I imagine he'll be the same. He's really quick and he's done a great job on him at Gwdusyn. You could understand maybe that's going to move us through again. But, on a cold, he's not had a good time, two of the last three games.  Does he go full-call-out and go, actually let's give Seamus and Michael and Cowell Blau when we'll have whole-gate at right back and go for eight left back. You know what does Mina come in. So, there's options then. Again, that's indicative, I think, of Evan and Squad. Is that the options are all in defence? There's no midfield options like you said before we were talking about something else. Tom Davies is the only midfield option at the moment who's fit. And we don't have options up front. I'd personally, I'd play Sims. Cos what I would do right now is I'd go all in on Sims right now for the next few games. Still Dom's back, I would. I'd now buy it just be a sub for me. When Dom's back? If Dom comes back, you know what I mean. I haven't bounced it. Now, because Ellis Sims is more of the type we want at all, stronger striker. And he's proving he can get goals at times, you know, certainly in other leagues. So, we've got to give him that experience. Yeah, I'd definitely make, I'd definitely take Conacold out. Who'd you bring in, no Mina or Goffrey? Well, that's a good one. I don't know, you know, I just... Yeah, Goffrey may be cut for the recovering pace, I think in a team like this.  And you're asking for trouble, aren't you? And then maybe I'd be making all games in it right back. Give shame, I should have bought. Give shame, I should have bought. Ready for Sunday. Yeah, and I mean that just for a blow. I don't think it's fair to be playing them three times in a week. Especially when he does run his art out, he really does. He's not somebody who goes hard and you can question quality of performance sometimes, but he's not somebody who goes hard. And we don't want him getting injured because of partisans. Alice Sims, I would bring in up front. Again, just experience. Maw pi is like, again, he's another hologram. He's not really there. You could project Tupac up front for us. And I honestly think he'd have as much effect. I mean, I honestly think the beams of light could get a little knock on some of those crosses. I've been coming in. Can we project Dixie Dean? No, because some of them claim loads of goals or something. Or it'd go against his appearance, so they've got the stats with it. But I generally believe that those beams of light would maybe get on the end of things more than Maw pi is. He's just not anything easy. Not anything easy at all. And listen, there has been quality competition. My favourite player, Dwight MacNeill, he's put some decent balls into the box and all it takes is someone making a gamble or even just making themselves big. So when a cross comes in, they can jump and out, jump the fellow who's standing next to him, which Maw pi can never do. I genuinely think I could maybe have a little gob against some of these, you know, put a little bit more of it. Is there not a case for the Mary Grey up front just because of the pace of the ball over the top? I'll be honest. My feelings for the Mary Grey are almost that thing of like, when I watch him, I just think you don't actually care. Your body language says to me that you're just going through the motions. Of course that doesn't mean anything because that's just me, but I watched him come on the other night. It's an equal play because again, you might change things up. Hame for me, I'd play him. Maybe if he did play for a Welby. Honestly, the love's there for Dwight at the moment, but I just think Dwight McNeill on that left hand side, just putting the ball in the box, is actually something that just works for. It just seems to be able to work for us. I'd actually think about taking a Welby out and putting him on the bench and maybe putting the Mary Grey on. But again, the problem is then, the problem with that is, and this is probably why it won't happen is, the reason we, one of the successes we got at Godderson is we doubled up on those wide plays and the Mary Grey ain't doing that, he ain't doing that for you. He's just not. And in a game where you're talking about, you know, trying to keep maybe the score down, they're going to have to work this way, Brad, and work that way. And that's what you need in Ellis Sims. That's what you need in Albor. That's what you need to go with time. You're just going to go long. Otherwise, it's going to be an onslaught. You're right, and I absolutely agree, but you don't want to be a situation for Ellis Sims where he's just there the only chance that he's getting. No, no, but the other side. Play them around the field and then in the two games at home where he could have very might have done a bit more, he was sat on that. The problem is the other way of doing it is you go five at the back and you play Grey off Ellis Sims, but then you're changing your whole thing on that long foot. And then you're... It's a really hard one, but ultimately, Daish, unfortunately, does not have many tools in his box and this is the problem, and this is why you look at the system and go, well, if it's not mobile, it's Ellis Sims and you're just thinking, well, that's a problem. If it's not a woby, it's Daimari Grey. If it's not Dwight MacNeill, it's Daimari Guy. If it's not Michelinco, who is it? If it's not James... Ben Agri, give him a go. He clearly must be. I think what's going to happen at the end of the year is Michael McIntyre's going to come back and he's going to reveal that Daish was an elaborate hoax built off the back of the one from the KF game. So, Ben Agri is still actually playing in Portugal. This kid is really Ben Agri. Yeah, he's not really Ben Agri. He's a competition winner. He's a competition winner. Remember that book about playing in all different sports? Walter Smith brought him on in a pre-season game. It's going to be something like that. Ben Agri is going to write a book at the end of the season or he's a plant season. Ben Agri's not going to, because he's actually playing everything in Portugal. I reckon Ben Agri is actually a guy from Watchdog. He's been poor at everything. No way do you do those whistleblower things where they come in and they have those secret cameras. Ben Agri goes to train him. Ben Agri goes to train him. And he's talking to play to go, oh yeah, yeah, how do you do it? And they're like, we don't tell anyone this, but we don't actually train every day of the week. We actually have Mondays off. That's what happened. That's what used to happen. It's all changed now. But he hasn't got the options. He just hasn't got the options. I thought he's going to bring him on. He might have just been cold. I was thinking I wonder if he's going to bring him on at 1-0, just to try and have another attack and option rather than Michael and Cole. But then he didn't, did he? I don't know. This is a really, really difficult game. There's very little you can sort of... Listen, for more... Shaun Dye shall have a plan. Plan could go out the window after five minutes. That's the problem. If you have to score first, if you want to talk about percentages, the percentages of getting anything out of the game are cut from to about 2% of Andy. No, percent. But they are Andy because we have to score. And if we're going to score, there has to be some kind of worthy and then you have to hang on. And it'll be very, very difficult. Very, very closely with the top of the league. They've only lost three games. Two of those were two of the top three. You know, it becomes... I'm one of the bottom three. It's a ridiculously hard game. I don't have one-four of the last five games. It's just as many as the one in three million games. But not away. The league games. It is what it is. It's a tough game. You've got to play tough games. You'll create a plan. You'll ask the players to execute the plan. If they can, it'll be remarkable. I'm not 100% confident they can. I'm not even 2% confident they can. Because we simply do not have the players. We do not have the players. I don't think they can stick to a plan. But if you've got no threat at the other end, that's where the plan falls down. The defenders might be brilliant pick-up, might be brilliant to mid-fail work, the socks off. And so they've got way more quality than us. So they can open a shut and score a goal. You can do a good job and lose the game. If you had a threat at the other end, then that's where you might nick these games. But we haven't got that threat. But that's the other side of it, isn't it? If you haven't got that threat at the other end and the opposition, no, you haven't got that threat. Then what do they do? They just go at you, and at you, and at you. And it becomes relentless. And especially if it doesn't stick up front, which it doesn't. And we know the atmosphere has improved at the Emirates. And we know this is their game in hand. And if they win it, they go back five points clear in Man City. I said this to you before. Ninety-nine of the 203 league games against Everton. They could become the first team in English history to register 100 victories against a specific opponent. I wonder what that started. I wonder what that start was when the Premier League started. I wouldn't have been anywhere near that. Because they just literally had a home win for them most seasons, isn't it? You know. They actually left a run of 10 consecutive home wins in the Premier League. They actually won just one of the last four at the Emirates. Lost one and drived two. I think they drew the last one to Brentford. There's obviously a lot of controversy over the VAR that day. They've obviously lost the city as well. So maybe their fans will be a little bit navy about this game. Maybe their fans will be thinking, this is our game and we have to win this. We can't have that door open. And maybe if Everton can frustrate them early on and that frustration gets into the ground, then who knows if we've got a viable threat if they have been working on something for Elder Sims. Don't forget, this is only our second away game with John Dyson, his first away game. He played Elder Sims up front. So who's to say he's been looking at that and thinking, and now I know what I need to do with Elder Sims, or we've been working on something to get Elder Sims more into the game. Who knows you'll be training every day. They can't just be training with Mopai. They've only got two cents of hours as its fans. So maybe they have been working on a plan. And again, it's about sometimes you can get lucky. Sometimes you do put a plan in place and everything falls for you on the day. Sometimes you get that touch. People say, well, you've got that luck maybe, it could lose some part. No, it wasn't a lucky win, of course. It wasn't a lucky win we deserved to win it. Maybe this is the one where we get the luck then. And Arsenal, like, oh my God, we've batted everyone, and if some reason we can't beat Evan. Let's hope that's the case. Baiters had a truck point at Arsenal for Burnley as well. Draws and stuff. Last ever player to score home and away against Arsenal in the same season. It happened in 0-3, 0-4. Who do you think it was? 0-3, 0-4. Oh, no, sorry. The striker? No, the little striker. The one where Tiaffers, when you come play the loan against your own, the loan player against your team, and Tiaffers pulled it back and smashed it in at the park. And then it was the away. It's a long time since then, Evan plays good in both games, against him and Tarkovsky. He probably represents as good a chance as anyone has scored in a goal for us, doesn't he? Off a set piece, so. I wonder if he'll just either retain it or back post corner, which against Felle wasn't there for some reason. No. Maybe, and maybe that'll be the opportunity. And maybe when we're three and up at our time from the three corners going deep. Tarkovsky had to it. Then Evan will be like, why you no believer? I don't know why he'd do that. It was Farad having a goal, so I told you that was the sense of forward we were getting. Did you go? Listen, listen. It is the week of the seventh anniversary of Farad Mishiri coming to Evan from Arsenal. It's almost synergy. It's synergy, he's going back and this time he's bringing Tarky with him. Tarky with him. Arsenal will be worried. You never know. I'll be back. Tremendous. Listen. What can we say? What can we say? It ain't on telly. That's the good news. It ain't on telly. You'll all have to find yourselves a perfectly... Will the both be there? Of course they will. That one won't be. Come on, please. Just do something that no one including Evan ever thought means to think you're going to do. Upshet the apple cart. Get it on the way you went. Huge three points. Why not? Win two away games in a week in five days and let everyone just be like, what is going on? What is going on? What is going on? I've been asking that question. There you go. Let us know your thoughts in the comments. Let's just punish ourselves by looking at Arsenal's team from the last game. There you go. They played Trossard off-front. At Leicester. Got the win. No, it was Matt Nelly. Oh, Matt Nelly. They went with Trossard instead. That's an interesting one. Obviously they've got No Palmer's party and Georgina was playing with everybody. He helped get the goal last week, didn't he? Well, that wasn't it. He played off the bar against Martin as I said. Yeah, it couldn't go last time. He's done well. Two away games, three wins. Let's just have a look at Sacher's numbers as well. 24 games, nine goals. Eight assists. 2.5 shots a goal. It's just signed a new contact for Arsenal as well. Everything's flying for the kid. Hopefully he's flying into the stand on Wednesday night when Tarkowski lashes him in there. That's the celebration when Tarkowski's got. He's going to pick him up and just go Who's got Tarky's got? Tarky's got. That's the Tarky's celebration. I'd rather Sacher's not have a very good game in Everton than he can do what he wants. There you go. Let us know your thoughts in the comments on this one. If you want more great videos, join us over on Toffy TV Premiere. We do exclusive live shows every single day over there. There's an inscription and the QR code will be coming up on the screen. Just scamming. See you later.