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You can find all of this at mindpumpmedia.com. T-shirt time! Oh, speaking of T-shirt time, you guys see that the New Jersey shore is... When did it start? Oh, I watched an episode. I watched the first episode. Snooki lost her wedding ring.  The facial surgery. They don't even look like the same cast. It's kind of a sad, sad ordeal. I hope I can find it on Hulu. It's not even good, but I can't look away. Yeah. I'm excited. I'm excited. T-shirts! All right, we had 15 reviews. We're giving out four shirts. First up is Dad, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 7, 8, 9, 0. Steven W13, Jacob Emery 24, Dennis Wayne. All of your winners send the name I just read to itunes at mindpumpmedia.com. Send your shirt size, your shipping address, and we'll get that right out to you. Yeah, that's right. You're getting a T-shirt. Yeah, everybody's getting a T-shirt. Let's get physical, physical.  You have to finish the song. You have to finish the song in your head. Otherwise, it'll keep going. Physical. How does it end? I don't know. That's the problem.   If you finish the song. Is that true? I don't know, I read it. I have no idea. Let me hear them body talk. Yeah, you have to finish the whole song. Otherwise, you just get... Let me hear them body talk. Yeah, you're just going to repeat that over and over again. Fuck. You're right. I don't have that skill set. Being somebody who's a music lover and I listen to tons of music, I still could never memorize a whole song. There's maybe two songs, as a kid that I grew up to, I listened to probably one billion times.  I don't have the skill. What are some songs that you feel confident that you could... Black Street, No Diggity. What? I like the way you work. And even then, if you were to play that, I would be able to sing like 90% of it.  Was you super into that song when it came out? It's just the timing of that song was when I was probably in the music more than I ever was. There was a point where I was like, really in the music, where I was listening to, trying to find music before it even released and following artists and seeing everything's up and coming and reading the lines. Was that like Little Penny? Remember? Little Penny from...  Dude, that's not that song. Penny Hardaway? Yeah, but that's not that song. No. Do you remember... You just brought something up there. Do you remember when you could call...  Yeah. There was a little penny...  No, but... Yeah, yeah, yeah, so... I never did that. You don't remember that was in high school and you'd give people the number, right?  Right. Yeah, in the commercials.  I wonder if it still exists. That'd be great to Google that. Look that up and see what the Penny... Try that, yeah. Speaking of phone numbers that don't exist anymore, does the Time Lady still exist? Time Lady? Remember Popcorn? Oh, Popcorn! Wow. Does anybody ever use that for my memory? I'm so calling Popcorn right now because I don't even know if that exists. Let's see here. It's worth it on the podcast and almost dead air to find it. For all the kids listening right now, back in the day, if you wanted the exact correct time, you had to dial Popcorn. The time is... No way! Someone bought it a bit. You can use a CPAP machine for sleep apnea.  Yeah, it used to be at the Pacific Standard Time will be. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It still exists. Popcorn still exists. Someone must have bought that number. Well, yeah, you see there's advertising on it. Because it was owned. Who owned Popcorn? Wasn't that like a state? There it is right there. Yeah, a little penny. Yes, dude. I remember that. Oh, dude. So, who owned Popcorn? That must have been a state thing, right? I don't know. That's a really good question. I don't know who owned it. Yeah. But does that say the date, Doug, when these came out? We were... Those are... Those I think... Those are remade. That's 2010.  This was high school, man. The first... The first painting commercials. Really? Yeah, yeah. This is obviously... I think they were like... They were in the 90s, obviously. Yeah, yeah. Like mid-90s. Yeah, this is... Obviously, they brought it back. Look, there's 2010 right here. So... I like how they're doing commercials specifically for... YouTube. YouTube and social media. Right. You know what? I didn't notice that until not too long ago, surfing around on YouTube. And there's actually some really good commercials that never even make TV. A lot of... So, some of these bigger companies that I thought were not on it, they're already moving their way over to putting more... Wasn't that how like the Dollar Shave Club guy, he started like a big on YouTube, and then it kind of crossed over. That's how you... You have more creative freedom. It's obviously cheaper, because you just post it. Right, right. And the commercials tend to push boundaries a little bit more. Yeah. You gotta get a little more racy and... Yeah, that's why they're way better. It's just funny watching YouTube and seeing like big celebrities doing commercials on the platform. You know, it's funny if you think about it. Commercials on YouTube, if they're well received, are way more powerful because... The way you can share. The shareability. And they voluntarily want to watch it. I still remember the first like commercial... Do you guys remember the acts... Doug, did you ever see these?  Clean your balls?   I think how smart that is for advertising. Like, you come up with something like that. You put it on YouTube. I'm only one person. Like, how many other people watched that and just thought it was hilarious too? Did you guys see the one a long time ago that it was this commercial for testicular cancer awareness? And it was this like super hot girl. And she's like... I don't know what she was wearing, a bikini or something.  You have no idea what she's about to talk to. Then she traces her body down... Her hand down her body, reaches into her pants. And you're like, what is she about to do? And then she pulls out balls. Like, she has testicles. And then she pulls them out and holds them up to the screen.  If you don't have testicular cancer, that was shared like crazy. Wow. I don't remember that one. And it actually caused me to check myself and then become... You did the cough. No, dude. I did. I tested myself. And for people that don't know this, testicles aren't perfectly smooth. There's definitely things on them that... And so I thought like... Have you ever been fooled? I'm a hypochondriac, huh?  Of course, this guy. I did, dude. Did you do? Yeah. So she... Listen, there was like...  Listen, there was like one little thing. And I was freaking me out. I was like, what is this? There's what you're just talking about right there. No, that's not the one I was talking about. That's clean your balls.  So what happened? Yeah. And so I get in and it's like... I guess it's something that just comes and goes or whatever. It's like some kind of tissue thing. But I was at the doctor and I'm kind of explaining my situation. Like telling them what's there and it wasn't there. And so they're like looking for it and everything. And I'm like trying to justify why I'm in there. And the guy's looking at me like, come on, bro. He's like pulling a fast one on him just so you can hold my balls. Like, do you think I want to be in here? $15 copay. Way cheaper than... Yeah. Like I'm enjoying this. I'm enjoying this. Dude, on the streets. I was scared. Just like, I thought I had a lump. I swear they're small and I swear these are barely... Yeah. He's like looking at me like I meant to do this. Like I'm here for like just messing with him. I'm not messing with you. The doctor has no idea. He's like, well, they're not that small. Did you do this? Because this is what I did. Once you find... I don't know about you guys, but once I find something until the doctor appointment comes up, I'm checking it like two, three times. Yeah. Yeah. And what happens with... You're just fiddling like crazy. Exactly. For the ladies who are listening right now, testicles are extremely sensitive. And the more you manipulate and touch them, they start to get sore, which only reinforces the thought that you might have to stick to your cancer. Yeah. So I'm like trying to find it because it was this little thing. I was like, I kept finding it.  Then your mom walked in. But then it started getting sore.  Oh my God.  I'm like, oh, it's hurting. Well, I'm experiencing that right now. So when I went, doctor did, he checked. And he's like, well, he goes, I can feel that. He goes, I don't think that's anything. You don't need to worry about it. He goes, but if you want to make sure we can do an ultrasound, it's up to you.  I'm like, do the ultrasound. So I'm on the... Did you get the ultrasound? No, because they didn't find it. No, because like, yeah, the lump or whatever, like dissipated. Just trying to get some feel. Yeah. He was just like, he had a glove on her. And he was just like, looking at me like with shame. Yeah. It's like, why? Yeah. Why would you do this to me? Well, dude. Like, I want to be here, dude. Stop looking into my eyes when you do that. Stop looking down on me. Yeah. So here's... He did it from behind too. Yeah. No, that was the prostate exam that I had. No. So I had... So I got the ultrasound. So I'm laying on this. To get the ultrasound, they lay me on a bed.   So all that's exposed is your balls. Oh, you have to do that, huh? That's like a puppeteering move right there. Yeah. So picture that, right? You're laying on your back.  So you're covering that and pushing it down. And all that's there is balls.  When it's on its part, just balls is not a good look. Just balls. That's weird, right? So I'm laying there. I'm doing this and I'm waiting for the doctor to come in. Talk about your most vulnerable state, right? You never... It's just you and like balls. Well, yeah. And both your hands are occupied. Yeah. Never would that happen in nature.  Let me tell you something. In nature, you would never expose just your balls. That's like you're giving up. No. That's the first place you cover. Anyway, so I'm laying there in the bed because the nurse tells me to do this. So she walks out and she's like this, I don't know, 29-year-old nurse, right? And I'm kind of like, okay, thank God she leaves. I cover myself. Who does the ultrasound?  Same 29-year-old chick walks in.  Dude, yeah. Like with hairy hands. How old are you at this point? This was, let's see, probably 35. Oh, okay. Yeah. So I'm a grown man. So she takes gel and she like has to rub it on your... And then she's moving this thing around. Did you make eye contact? I should go have this checked out more often. Well, that's good to say. At first I was giggling on the wrong doctor.  So I laugh. She's straight-faced because she's got good training. She's a crack, right? She's professional. And I'm like, usually this is like the second or third date. I don't usually do this the first time. Right. And then she kind of looked at me like, haha. I said that same joke when a nurse was taking my catheter out. Yeah. Oh, what? What'd you have a catheter? What did you have a catheter? Oh, dude. Dude, when I had surgery. Oh, yeah. Does that hurt? I never had a catheter. Oh, it was the worst. Oh, yeah. Does it go all the way? All the way in the pee hole. How far do they go? It goes all the way to your bladder, right? All the way, man. Yeah. Oh, like she could along like that. So I was like, I was like, listen, I'm going to help you. And I like grabbed it and we're laughing, you know. I'm going to help you. Yeah. Let me hold this. I know this is awkward for you. Let me hold this steady for you. Yeah. Yeah. She was laughing because I was trying to have a sense of humor about it. Did it hurt when they pull it out? Yeah. Oh, I was like burning. You know what it makes me? You know what it's like? How bad would it have been if you got a bone or something like that with a catheter? I don't think that's possible. Yeah. There's no way. It's a foreign invader. Yeah. It's always possible. Don't challenge me. A half-naked supermodel has to walk in before that for that to happen. Even then. I would say. I know a tube is going to go in my... I'm going to take a picture for later, but nothing's happening right now. Oh, that's terrible. You know, I was thinking about all the moments as a young boy growing up where that is an actual fear. Can you think of the times where that like it actually happened? Because as a kid you think about those fears, right?  So have you ever had a moment like that? Well, I think you're more scared in your head, but then when it really comes to game time, it's like you're not. Well, because anxiety is the ultimate boner killer. So I think if you're in a situation where you're anxious, then you probably don't. You don't get one.  It's uncontrollable. Well, and... I never wanted to be science class. And the more you think about it, the worse it gets. I didn't ask for it at Driver's Head either. It doesn't always work when you put it in the belt loop. You know what I mean? Sometimes he peeks his little head out. And he's like, oh, no. Well, then you feel it. You know what I mean? And people see it. Oh, man. Yeah, invisible. Yeah, no. I used to... The worst place is too. You had dinner with your parents. You know what I mean? Just sitting there and... What the fuck's going on right now on my pants? Yeah. This lasagna is delicious. How is your taste, sweetie? Yeah. It's not that good. It's good. Try some food in your lap.  Here you go, the bathroom. Anyway. Anyway. Anyway. Good time. Did you guys... I don't think I shared this of what this California bill that they're trying to pass. Mm-hmm. So there's this pat... This... Who's trying to... It's the same guy that made vaccinations mandatory for all school kids. I can't remember his name. Senator Richard Pan, that cocksucker. What's he trying to do? He... There's a bill, and the bill is titled... It hasn't passed yet, but it's titled... It's SB 1424, Internet, Social Media, False Information, Strategic Plan. So basically the bill would require any person who operates the social media as defined, Internet website with a physical presence in California to develop a strategic plan to verify news stories shared on its website. The bill would require the plan to include, among other things, a plan to mitigate the spread of false information through news stories, the utilization of fact-checkers to verify news stories, providing outreach to social media users, and placing a warning on a news story containing false information. Do you know why I have a problem with this? Who determines... Regulation, yeah. Well, who determines what's false? Yeah, right? Who determines if it's true or not? The worst people in the world, the government. No thanks. You know what I'm saying? That's who I want to tell you. That's who has spread false information. Yeah, never. They've never done that before. Yeah, it's not gonna happen. Yeah, so they're trying to pass a bill if you own... How would that even work? What does that look like? That's the thing. Here's the problem is you always gotta look at this when you look at bills. Huh. When they come up with an idea, but it's... Then you ask yourself, how? Well, that leaves a lot of... What's the word? Like discretion. Like discretion to the authorities. Right, yeah. So somebody could literally be like, I don't like you.  So I've decided that your stuff is inaccurate. Now you've got probable cause. You know, they'll use whatever to like wrap in some story around it. And the reason why this irritates me especially highly is because we're based out of California. Yeah. So let's say we say something. Let's say we say artificial sweeteners, not good for you to disrupt your gut microbiome cause. Right, they can prove, oh well there's no studies that actually prove that, so therefore it's false information. Yeah, no, not only that, you'll get a warning so we could have a warning on our social media podcasts and then that gives them the authority to shut us down. If we keep... If you're challenging like common thought. Dude. That's a problem. You don't want that. You don't want anybody to be censored at all.  But okay, so what?  But you do not want them to have that kind of power. No. That's crazy. No, no. Think about that. No, I think that's crazy. Think about it. Think about if you say things that aren't very popular or your little counter to the establishment. And it could literally mean, maybe they pass along California that says, I don't know, GMO foods shouldn't be labeled. That's it. And then you're coming out and saying, no, they should. We don't like them and this is why we think it's unhealthy. Why don't they just go back to the old days of journalism where certain companies rise at the top that have vetted their sources on such a ridiculous level that they build a reputation for that to become a trusted source. So think about this way.  I bought those. Aliens run the White House or something like that. They were never made illegal because it's speech, right? It's free speech. Right. They're tripping over the internet though.  Badly. Well, yeah. Badly.  Well, it's just, it's more power. The media, which a lot of them own old media or have influence over old media is becoming obsolete and they're recognizing that. Justin, are you up and up on the Silicon Valley right now? Yeah. The show. What do you think about the whole idea of like building a decentralized internet completely? Like a whole new internet. Yeah. That doesn't allow these big companies to come in and control or means it's an interesting idea. I mean, it's something that... Well, the internet is already decentralized. It already is. I mean, that's the thing. They don't control it, but that's just the thing. If they do end up controlling, who's to say, somebody isn't going to just have another option that everybody will start to move towards.  When you think about companies like that that have been able to come in, well, think about it.  Like where else can they go? They need competition. They need somebody to come in and do something different. It's part of that corporate thing where you get so big. It's almost like you can't control all these moving parts. Like inevitably something is going to kind of get away from you a little bit. Well, one thing that the internet has taught us so far, I don't know if this is going to change in the future, but so far is that the second you think something's untouchable, it's gone. I mean, I can name several businesses that within the five years. Look at Snapchat.  Now they're becoming obsolete. You see this with a lot of things. I mean, MySpace at one point had tens of millions if not more people on there and overnight they went to zero. So it's one of those things. But I don't know if it's going to continue, right? Because the companies now seem to be so solidified. I don't know. It's an interesting... Well, you brought up the point that the internet's decentralized, but is it really when you have companies like Facebook who have probably arguably a good piece of that traffic, right?  Well, no, there's more popular. There's definitely apps and pages that are far more popular than others. But what I mean by decentralized is there's no internet location. You know what I mean? There's no one place that you can go and be like, here's where the internet is. It's anarchy. The internet is for people that think tons and tons of regulations to organize things. And if we don't have laws in place that society becomes just crazy and how anarchy... Our definition of anarchy is people killing each other and going crazy, whatever. The internet is anarchy. It literally is. And if you look at the internet, it's self-organized in such a remarkable way. Nobody designs... Nobody has organized the internet and said, here's the rules, here's the whatever. It's all market-driven. And it's pretty crazy how far it's come. Do you ever look at... There's websites you can look up where you can look up old web pages just from like 15 years ago. The evolution of the user experience. Crazy. How different it's been, how fast. But there's been no...  It's all self-organized, all driven through consumers. And it's advanced in such crazy ways and becomes so efficient. It's almost pure anarchy. I mean, besides the laws that regulate how you can lay down the fiber optic cable and all that stuff, there's pretty much nothing else. Did you look into that... I think it's GDPR, that I told you guys about, that we talked with Casey when we met with him. What was that? The marketing team. The law that just got passed... Oh, general data protection regulation. Yes. No, no, no. The UK, they passed that law? Yeah, it's over in the UK right now and the fear is that it's going to come over this way. Trying to protect people's private information, right? And companies like ourselves not able to market to them. And that includes email marketing and advertising. And so I know we have... I know we're looking into it with our platform Kajabi to see if we're protected or what happens with that. But, I mean, we have an audience over there. So, I mean, we have... They're not the majority of our audience, but we have a large piece of our... I want to see how this... How would this even help anything? Like, how would... Well, what they're trying to do is they're trying to keep from... Again, what happened... The big scare with Facebook, right? Was this, you know, now that we have all this... Never let something like that go to waste, right? Right, right. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, they're taking this big scare from Facebook and, you know, so they're trying to put laws and regulation in place to keep companies from having this ability to check everybody's information, track all their history, see what they're liking or not liking and so they can market to them.  I'm like, who cares? I mean, seeing...  I don't want to be marketed... I don't want, like, women's tampons to come in my thread. Like, that doesn't appeal to me. And I don't get mad because, like... So, for example, this weekend, I was looking at, like, new home speakers, right? So, you know, now all of a sudden, I'm getting these pop-ups for, like, all the way... It's actually... I actually appreciate it. It's like, I was already searching for all this. Interesting because you get people that get really freaked out by that. Yeah, they get freaked out and mad. I'm like, this is so cool. Yeah, but it's better, yeah.  It's like, it knows me. It knows what I want. You know what I'm saying? Like, that's cool. Like, I don't know why people get so angry about that. It's like, yeah, I know shit they know that because there's cookies everywhere and I put that information in there and so this is what it's giving me back. No, I think it's because people... What happens is we have behaviors and stuff and then when we step outside and look at our own behaviors, we say to ourselves, ooh, we shouldn't be doing that but instead of taking on the personal responsibility and saying, oh, I don't like my information being shared, I shouldn't then give out so much of my free information or maybe I should turn off my social media if it really matters that much. But no, instead what they say is, I don't like the way this is happening. I want a law to do this for me is what they're saying because the reality is if you don't want your... Facebook has all my information because I gave it to them. Right, that's what I mean.  No, people are big babies. You know what I'm saying? And go back to writing letters to everybody. You know what I'm saying? No, people are big babies. We don't look. And of course, if Facebook takes your information and does something with it... It exploits it. And well, it does something with it that wasn't, you know, agreed upon. Under the terms. Then you are covered. You know what I find funny?   Government ain't watching you, bro.  What you're doing? You got a hundred friends. You're working at normal nine to five.    Like, come on, dude. Yeah. My little brother freaked out. Like, my mom took him to the DMV last year because he's one of those 20-year-olds who just doesn't have a license. Have you seen this? Do you guys know this? This is like a thing. I know. I can't wait to hear you and your kids go through this. It's baffling to me. It's a thing. I was freedom. I was like, I want it so bad. If you were a 20-year-old without a license when we were kids, you were the biggest weirdo ever. You were a nerd. Worse. You never got dates. Yeah. I mean, like, you had to have a card to take girls out. That's crazy. Yeah. What are you going to be in? So, it was like pulling teeth to get hit. My mom was like, you know, dragging him down there. Like, you need transportation to get to a job, you know? You need to go do this. And so dragging him down there, and he's, like, freaking out because he's got to give, you know, he has to give the DMV, like, all his personal information. I feel like it's an excuse because I don't want to drive. Yeah. And he doesn't want them to know where he's at. I was just like, dude, where are you going to? I said, I love you, brother. The sky is falling. DMV is not worried about you, dude. DMV is not tracking you down. Yeah, especially with their, like, cutting-edge technology they use in the DMV, right? Yeah. They're so, like, up to date, you know, with their... Oh, my God. It's the most...   Oh, dude. They take forever. I had to get our passports, you know, a little while ago. Remember, I talked about the whole...  I couldn't believe the redundancy. Yeah. Like, they took the paper, they stamped it here, put it here, they photocopied it here, stapled it to that, too. They got a Polaroid, they cut it out, they, like, stick it on there. I'm like, this is all, this all could be done with a computer.  Right? And then heaven forbid, you have to have everything prepared, too. Like, if you're missing something... Oh, my God, yeah, If you're missing something... You gotta come back tomorrow. Oh, they'll tell you that, too. They don't even want to be helped. They're not helpful at all. No, no. It's not like, oh, shoot, you forgot the shirt. It's like, oh, no. So, what do you think that is? Why do you guys think there's that, there's this movement where kids are not getting their driver's license? Well, it's because we... Uber did... Yeah, we already said this. I mean, the belief is that... I mean, I told Katrina this the other day, because we're talking about buying a new vehicle right now. and I said you know I'm just kind of waiting right now until I kind of have to because I really believe this may be the last vehicle I buy. I feel like millennials are nomadic like they want to go places they want to work like overseas different places you know that remotely they don't need a car they want to live in the city they want to just like Uber around like it's it's a new way of like working too so like after you know school or whatever it's like they just want yeah but you don't want to like have a property they don't want to have a car now I get that and I that's relatively recent right yeah because Uber really has only become kind of popular in the last maybe five years I get that but there's still it's we're still we don't have the technology for self-driving cars Uber is still expensive if you do it all the time and it still doesn't give you the currently because in the future I think this is going to flip but at the moment you know because your your brother's 20 right so four years ago he was 16 right so it's you still have way more independence when you have a driver's license because you can literally just pick up and go I totally agree yeah I think the mentality towards this difference right and it is it okay here's the thing though like if you go back to high school okay I mean the urgency to get a license when we were kids there was none of this technology so the fact that even though it's not like you said it has it's just kind of exploding right now it it was there though I mean you know and I grew up in small town so my little brother we went to the same he went to the same high school that I went to it's one high school in the entire town has about two three thousand kids in it and that's it now if we had uber uber then because you could ride share too so it's not that expensive three buddies get in a car to go to lunch and you each got to pay three dollars to get to because we had an open campus for lunch time I could see us I you know I'm doing that I see that too but here's so let me know what you guys think about this because I've been thinking about this quite a bit because I have cousins like this who don't get driver's licenses and I've been thinking about it and you still you're still way more independent when you get your own license when you can drive and what I'm thinking is a lot of these kids that are not getting their licenses and I don't know this is my own personal experience these are kids that their parents fucking do everything for them they have no responsibility and so it's it's like they don't want to grow up they don't want that personal responsibility they don't want to peter pan syndrome peter pan syndrome and that's way more prevalent nowadays for sure my little lot yeah yeah because yeah it's my little brother you and him were not the same you're you know you didn't have everything done I did I ever tell you guys so he uh good we have a huge age gap right we're 12 plus years and he's 20 has he had like consistent jobs uh I wouldn't say consistent he's definitely not consistent now think about that at 20 years old why are you at how many consistent jobs oh yeah no no for sure I had that by the time I was fucking 15 I had him come and stay with me for a summer like so he was when I moved out of the house he was only like five years old so his memories of me being an older brother of me living away you know like so he doesn't so I had a summer where I had him come live with me I'll never forget the first morning he woke up you know he woke up I'm I have work you know it's fucking Monday or some shit and I'm starting and getting ready and and and he's kind of like rolling rolling out of bed and he sees me getting ready to go out the door and he's like hey he's like what's for breakfast and I'm like oh no and I was like whatever you want yeah yeah whatever you want bro you have to help yourself kitchens and and he's like oh well what did you make did you make something for us I'm like no bro I ain't making shit for you you're grown up you're a grown ass man dude wow yeah yeah you get you get stay here you get free food here so that might go fucking prep it for you too you don't say wow like that's it man that's what I think it is yeah no I really think that's what it is is a lot of these parents you're chasing around their kids wiping their mouths for them and you know not only that but my my brother I I picked up on it with him living with me for that summer he got really good at manipulating that like because my mom had done that for so long to him like he knows how to play dumb and play like he doesn't know how to do things and he needs help to get me to do stuff and I caught him doing that multiple times to me like hey could you show me this and then he just step away from it so I could do it and it's like oh you little shit like you play this like dumb card like you don't know what you're doing or something like that but it in reality it's you manipulating me to get you me to do I've been I've been I know that move yeah very oh I've been I've been reading books on psychology and stuff with children and one thing so Jordan Peterson said something that was super impactful to me was never do for your kids what they can do for themselves yeah and he said it and he the way he explained is he's like that's one of the worst things you could possibly do if you want to cause damage to your child or make it more difficult for them to survive in society and life then if you want to make it really difficult for them don't let them learn how to figure things out and learn how to become confident because that's real confidence because we always talk about like giving kids confidence real confidence is not telling your kid how awesome they are that's not real confidence real confidence is earned through overcoming challenges on your own then you become more confident like oh fuck I did that on my own or you know I was able to figure that out and then you become more confident not this whole like oh you're the best baby or honey don't worry about it you're so smart you're so that's bullshit and so I so I read that in his book and then I've read other like other psychology books and they say the same thing and I've been doing it heavily with my kids now especially for the last year where I'm about to do something for them and I'm like wait a minute hey come here fold your own clothes I don't know how watch me and then next thing you know they're following their own clothes and I'm paying attention to their behavior outside of that and it's like it's remarkable like it's it's like they're growing up faster but the more secure more confident it's not a negative thing at all you definitely get pushback at first but it it's benefits them now I feel bad for somebody who has a kid that's 1920 21 22 and then they try to implement that now you're now you're nice yeah you're in over your head there's a lot of shit that you gotta oh yeah no I let that most of the time I'm like super worried you know about like my kids or whatever like what's gonna happen with them it's it's like it's that it's like are they are they gonna be feel entitled and like feel like you know they don't have the right skill set because people keep helping them in school or helping them do all these things it's like no you like you need to figure this out like stop figure this out for yourself like in it's it's one of those things as a parent too it's a struggle because you want to you want to step in and you want to intervene and you want like you see the struggle and you're just like ah like I want to get get them through this process but you really have to let them get through it today than what it was 20 30 years I just think parenting styles have changed I think we're more soft I mean yeah you don't dude that's my biggest fear I don't want to soft kid yeah no you don't you want that kid you want your kid to be well adjusted you want them to be secure confident I've got a lot of those kids yeah you want them to be strong I have a friend who has a 19 year old son who you know has some learning issues they're not like super disabled but they've got some learning issues or whatever so they had a tough time in school and all that stuff but because of that he's been babied he's totally been babied his entire life so now he's 19 his mom doesn't make that much money she's always struggling she has two jobs just to support this fucking adult male and herself and we're talking about this and I'm like you know he has to get a job well you know he's he's scared he doesn't know if he'll do well if he can't get it you know if he can't I'm like and so I talked to her and I was very blunt and I said listen I said the safe way by my house the guy that bags my my my groceries has Down syndrome like he's he's got like a like a real genetic situation going on and he bags my groceries and he does a good job and he's making a living and that's building confidence I told her said your son's never done anything so of course he's terrified tell you have to force his ass get your ass out there and get a job I'm not going to buy anything how all these and let him 19 wow like let him learn like and trust me you'll get a fucking job dude like yeah over at uh at the movie theater the dude that takes your tickets there's a guy that takes your tickets and he's full on a pair I'm like paraplegic and a wheelchair and but does a good job scans your tickets minimum wage job whatever but think of the confidence that that kid is building gives them purpose structure and something that uh yeah produces yeah so this other kid's got a learning disability but he's otherwise if you guys met him you wouldn't you wouldn't even notice he's talking fine not a big deal so I get the fuck out of here you could totally get a job it's just he's been babied for so long sometimes I feel like because of the baby is so that they feel like they're above it like it's like sure I don't want to work out safe for you right I see that's I see that's ready for management right I feel like that's I feel like that's right away I'm gonna own my own business no I feel I feel that's really common I feel it's and I see it in my siblings it's tough man it's tough having uh two you know two younger brothers and sisters that are you know that much younger than me so that we grew up in like a whole new a whole different decade you know here's what I love about the market okay because the market will tell you how much your skills are worth and it's fucking real and if you may disagree with it you may think this is not fair I work so hard but the reality the objective black and white fact is that your skills are worth twelve dollars an hour or whatever and if you don't like that then it's on you but if you if you feel like you're above a job that's you know paying ten bucks an hour twelve bucks an hour and you're like uh I should be working somewhere and you can't find a job making more than that I hate to break it to you that's how much your job your skills are worth so go fucking earn it and then build more skills you gain a city you want to talk about it's just the way it is you want to talk about some crazy market stuff I was reading this article on American Airlines and in 1988 1980 or 81 they were just like the they're taking a shit like they were they're gonna go bankrupt they didn't know what to do and so they come up with this idea that they're gonna reach out to their the their um you know the customers that spend the most money with them and so like Mark Cuban was one of these and they offer a one-time deal for them that it's it's a quarter million dollars I know what this is it's it's a quarter million dollars and they get lifetime unlimited fucking flying through American Airlines for the rest of their life for 250,000 dollar ticket yeah 250,000 dollars it's a one-time fee they pay it and then they have free flights and for an extra 150,000 dollars they can add us a companion to that so for roughly under half a million you know how much that money that programs lost them how much money bro they had so this is the big deal about it and then just not that long ago they had to like cancel it and they had and they they went after two of them the people that took advantage of the the flight thing it got to a point because it was like literally unlimited and free so uh and I forgot the names of the two you know millionaires that that did it first because Mark Cuban still has his I believe but they revoked two of these people because dude they did like one guy did like a thousand flights to Japan bro and within like the first like 10 years of it oh and I bleeding them dry you know I'm such a numbers guy right so they actually have like all his flights that he done the jet fuel they use for that oh bro yeah so they're talking about it like they've lost they lost millions and millions of dollars on that it seemed like such a brilliant idea to get some quick capital right and I believe there is very short and you know how they try you know how they try to revoke these people if they screw up even in the slightest amount like because there's lose membership yeah oh yep sorry you didn't sign this the right way or whatever yeah they tried they and they came after these one of the guys who had the the partner pass because it's basically you can fly with a partner anybody else anytime he was taking a flight somewhere if there wasn't somebody he had to bring he would just bring strangers you hook him he hook him up you know free flight to Tokyo free flight over to Australia whatever like that and so he think about the business think about how great deal you could open up in a side hustle with that oh so that was part of so another person got nailed for potentially and I don't know if they get revoked but they were speculating that they were selling the tickets you know I'm saying hey $500 ticket I'll take yeah oh for sure but it was crazy how much how much money they lost I believe there's still 28 that still exist and mark Cuban's one of them wow he said it was one of the greatest investments he ever did in his life of course right so brilliant quarter million bucks and now you got free flight ran those numbers real quick he's like it's so funny how a corporation didn't know like what a bunch of idiots because they were probably basing it off of their average yeah of course and their and their average flights they're like okay you know let's make it really worth their while so take them on the the amount they fly right now like internationally everything that's crazy yes anywhere like if they would have just kept it domestic you know like but still that would have no I've got I've got to read to you I've got to read to you like the exact amount like okay here you go so this this guy Steve Roth Rothstein he bought the pass and it said over the 25 years Rothstein took more than 10,000 total flights including a thousand to New York 500 San Francisco 500 to Los Angeles 500 to London 120 to Tokyo 80 to Paris 80 to city he's got a private jet basically dude yeah that's just in command in 25 years like do the math on those are just the the main ones that he flew to 50 or more times of course he flew all over the place besides that but just those ones I like added it up and it was like million and I did like an average flight of $250 which we know that we know for sure a thousand flights to New York City is more than that right alone so that's a that's a 500 to $1,000 ticket by itself so that alone it was already millions of dollars that that they they basically epic fail oh that's hilarious huge fail by the way that's hilarious you know what else I was reading this week and I thought was hilarious you guys know the masters is going on right now golf okay yeah isn't Tiger Woods coming back yeah he is but I think he's uh he's not doing so hot I yeah I honestly I don't know yeah he hasn't been a big you know for a long time yeah a deal in a while ever since the whole yeah divorce thing I haven't I haven't been watching so you know I don't know who's leading right now in the masters but what I thought was fucking hilarious was have you guys seen the Bud Light commercials the the newest ones that the dilly dilly no yeah okay so there's these Bud Light commercials and it's set like back in uh medieval times and they're you know like sitting around a round table or it's like uh you know a king is talking to his you know is is on his throne and he's talking to an audience of you know 30 40 other people there and they do like the raise the glasses and you'll say he'll say something like provocative or something right and they'll go dilly dilly afterwards and it doesn't mean anything right there's no fucking real meaning there's just there's creating yeah it's I mean it's less you know it's another Bud Light you know brilliant fucking saying that goes viral and everybody's saying it now even my buddy's like we will be talking someone will say a statement dilly dilly afterwards right that's like the thing right so the masters has a list of things that are banned words that you can't say why you're why you're out there watching and it's a hilarious list and uh on that list now is dilly dilly no so if a guy's out there putting you know the masters you can't come you can't come out and say dilly dilly in the background or you'll get launched from the masters and it's and there's a series of like so dilly dilly uh Baba Buoy mashed potatoes you demand mashed potatoes I love Martha Burke sweep the leg Johnny sweep the leg yeah that's my go to are you sure those are actually man oh yeah oh absolutely that is the funniest sweep the leg oh that's amazing right away bro you'll pull you right out of the masters you'll be I don't care what you pay now that this is this thing going viral this list so I feel like it's gonna make it worse well anybody who's heavy into golf and that's listening probably knows us already because it is pretty popular and uh that there are banned statements that you can't say Bud Light's response which was they're trying to get rid of all the white trash yeah I I don't know what the idea is behind it or why there's specific sayings right so much other than ours but uh Bud Light's response was to release a dilly dilly shirt then release like 2000 yeah shirts for that so smart oh right so brilliant so smart right take some she's like okay you don't let us say dilly dilly I think that's all right we'll make some money off of it so happy Gilmore so so uh yesterday I wanted to get your guys's feedback on that fucking food that we had yesterday oh dude what a smorgasbord bro so I want to start doing that once a month we just all get together like a family and we just kind of grill and hang out and and have a good time it was a really good time yesterday right so that was my that was my very first time having um meat from butcher box I'd never had you guys ever had no I haven't meet before it was delicious so I know it's supposed to be high quality but it's super high it's the highest quality it's it was like the beef was grass fed and grass finished everything was organic and so super high quality you're reading the label you're like this is really good but then my experience with grass fed beef especially if it's grass finished is it it's always it's not as tasty right it's usually not as tasty this stuff was tough this stuff was good no no it was really good it was really really good no no it was really good so we had we had uh rib eyes we had um well dude do you guys do you guys know that do you know that Taylor so today this is a deal that Taylor negotiated for us right and Taylor was really turned on by the company and really proud of him for not only locking this down because it's right up our alley of stuff that we'll all use on a regular basis I mean right away after we barbecued yesterday Katrina and I I know Doug said he did too got online and we ordered our own box too so I will be too yeah no it's definitely a product that I know that we we're gonna fall in love with and we already have but the icing on the cake is uh we have a better deal than Joe Rogan what do you mean like our our gift like for our audience oh because he's I know he's sponsored by butcher box um our our our audience gets a better deal than Joe Rogan's audience so when you get a large box I know you get two free ribeye you get free bacon you get ten dollars off and you get free shipping that's a fucking hookup that's a fat hookup so it it does bring the price down of the average the meat because when you pay for like anybody well high quality meat's always gonna be more expensive yeah your pay but you're not though I mean it's about it's about what you would pay for like if you're going to the grocery store but now it's delivered to your house for free shipping and it's now I didn't see the package I didn't see the package that came in was it comes in a box and then it's packed in this is it frozen yeah it comes in the you know yeah frozen dry stuff yeah those packets or whatever it was really shrink sealed and it was really really good yeah no we had was impressed in ours we had pork we had pork ribs we had the pork loins we had ribs we had filets the filets were amazing like it's kind of like a tri-tip but it's a different cut yeah it's really good well what did they call it sirloin cap sirloin yeah sirloin cap I think so I can't remember yeah that one was exceptionally good it was really good yeah so I went into so yesterday was the was 48 hours of mice my you know monthly fast that I it's usually around 60 to 72 hours so we all scheduled this you know barbecue with butcher box and I'm like fuck he's fasting yeah so we show up and I'm smelling the meat and looking at it and you know I'm like you know sorry yeah if I so I got to break my fast with some grass-fed meat it was the best way how did you feel afterwards fine really yeah you know what I'm noticing because sometimes that could be a little heavy to break a fast with you know yeah you seem to be probably getting used to it more huh here's what I'm noticing this is what's tripping me out now this is month four so this is my fourth month now doing a prolonged fast at the beginning of the month and each time I do it it's it feels easier and easier and I don't know I just come out of it real easy while I'm on it I feel fine even Jessica who had a tough time with it the first three times even this time for her she you know what I always wonder when I hear stuff like that because it's like with almost almost anything right like our body begins to adapt and become efficient at it is do do the benefits begin to diminish a little bit like whereas was the first time or two that you did this prolonged fast did you get these fucking incredible benefits that were happening internally and now that you've done it multiple times like it's a good question because are you honing in on it that's actually a good question because well so there's a couple things I think I think my metabolic flexibilities even getting better and better and better to where I can go in and out of ketosis don't have to feel a switch all that stuff but you do make a good point at him because I would like to see like when you fast for a prolonged period of time you have increased rates of apoptosis and you know your body gets rid of cell waste I wonder if you do it consistently if diminishes right yeah I'm wondering about that like if that starts to diminish I think I like I mean the fact that you're separating it by a month I feel way better it's way better than doing the fasting every day oh it feels way better on my body oh I fucking 100% better and that makes the most sense and it would make the most sense too that if anything was going to diminish the the the positive benefits faster it would be doing it more the frequency idea it's no different than what we teach with building muscle I mean if you want to build muscle at a faster rate and want your body to adapt you know the frequency is king there so why would it be any different nutritionally for us if we're and I'm what I'm trying to do is I'm trying I phase my nutrition so where it goes fast super hard keto paleo and then I add starches and then start over real fast and so I'm moving through these different phases and it's just that again I'm experimenting but but yeah this was actually a great way to break the fat and I have a ton of meat I had a small amount maybe a quarter pound do you do any liquid I used to like to do like the organifi and stuff right afterwards like a like a real light like the green juice or something like that or a bone broth like just a light so bone broth with the gold juice is actually very oh really yeah very nice I didn't do the gold I did the green why don't mix them together though please tell me you don't do that oh bro it's it's bone broth yeah no no no not bone broth and organifi no that's what I did yeah like literally mixed together bone broth with the gold juice like literally mixed together yeah I would do like a shot of bone broth and then the gold juice no I like it together I mean you could do it separately well we just Katrina and I just made like a bone broth soup and we ate it like a soup right you know and and then we drank the but I didn't you really actually mixed it what you're you're freak yeah it doesn't need to actually not it's not it's actually not bad because the because the because it's got turmeric in it anyway bone broth has got that nice salty kind of you know you know and then you add the gold juice which is it's not it's not not complimentary it's not like yeah so it's it's actually pretty the green juice I don't think would go good with bone broth but the gold juice is not it was not bad but anyway yeah I like it post because it's got you know the the high doses of the curcumin in it the anti-inflammatory effects and so following up a fast with that just to kind of prevent any you know re-inflammation that's happening from the refeed it's kind of my theory behind it well now that you're what you so this is you're off a day so what is your the eating look like today so it's really super keto and so I'll do I see you have your sardines and macadamia you got it exactly so it's it's a lot of fat little you know moderate protein very very very low carbohydrate and then about two weeks into it then I go maybe more paleo where I just include some fruit here and there and then the last week leading up to the next fast I throw in like white rice and and buckwheat and it's cool to see how my body changes and what's happening with this whole process is this fasting by far is the most effective thing I've ever done for myself for intuitive eating it just when you take a break like that and you don't I think that's the best for that oh I'm like Katrina so Katrina I don't know if you heard her talking about yesterday when we were at butcher boxes she just came off of her fast and she's like man she's like you know what I I noticed more than anything she's like how how I like just mindlessly grab food or put things in my mouth totally she's like so many times I caught myself like just because I was doing something around the kitchen or at work somebody had something right in front of me and you just reach for it and like just mindlessly forget like oh shit I'm fasting right now yeah and so making that that connection she said was pretty wild to her yeah because when you're not eating for two or three days and you you notice you notice it all because you oh this is the time I would normally eat why am I or oh I'm a little anxious and I want to do this or I'm in this environment a lot of times those are the calories that killing time and I just need to go to this place totally and eat and sit those are the calories that clients I would have that just they didn't count they count the real track them yeah they don't even track them it's like oh it was just a handful of this right I had to buy it right I just had one hershey yes I just did want you know it's like you do that enough times throughout the day kind of mindlessly and before you know you've added up 500 800 calories and that's a big difference maker for people you know so I think that was a big thing and I think that the of all the benefits that I get from it it is it's just reminding myself that I don't need to eat and those initial like hunger you know quote unquote hunger pains or feelings that you get will pass a lot of time your emotions and how you feel around food is so important it's not even funny as trainers we understand that from uh getting you to eat healthier standpoint right that psychological piece how important that is but it goes so it goes so much deeper like just your attitude in your your mood and your emotions while you eat you know if you're a stress eater think about that for a second if you're a stress eater your body is in a sympathetic stress state and you're feeding it at the same time so you're raising insulin raising cortisol cortisol makes your body more insulin resistance you're more inflamed you're feeding your body which is going to create more inflammation and more problems later on so that that the whole mental state around food and it is so we and we talked about this with Dr. Molly and I was speculating on this I thought this was for me a little mind blowing even think about because I would bet money that this is the case but we know that you know your your how you think influences your body on a physiological level there's no doubt about that well I don't think it's that long hard of a stretch to think that if you hate your body a lot like if you really hate yourself hate the way you look and you just you know you've got that kind of poor self-esteem or poor you know your body image is yourself image if you constantly consciously think of yourself in that negative terrible way could your body then start to attack itself as a result could your body then mount an immune response based on this thing that you're conceptualizing as this bad thing and I think that may be that may be the case there's this one interesting theory well I tell you what so there's this one disorder I can't remember the name of it I'll find it it's this disease that's very strange nobody knows what the cause is and literally like one arm will get super painful and super inflamed and it looks like this crazy reaction and it's again I can't remember the name of it but if you go to the doctor they can't find any cause for it at all they can't find no cause for it then they'll use the mirror box you know the same mirror box that they use for people with phantom limb syndrome they'll use the mirror box and when the person envisions that hand is being the other hand and they're looking at it the pain starts to dissipate and then the swelling everything goes away all through their perception that's so wild and that's an actual disorder and it's rare obviously but it's really mysterious I think if you sit and hate on yourself enough over time I hate my body got to get in shape I'm fat I hate I'm ugly and you keep doing that and besides all the decisions that that makes you make I wonder if that'll make your body you know because you're hating something enough wouldn't that make you couldn't that theoretically make your body want to mount it's an attack on itself well not only that but I mean there's a trickle down effect of that right if you're you're down then you're depressed you're less likely to move you're more likely to make all that choices you're you're more likely to have bad relationships with people and like when you look at the compounding effect of what that negative thought process could potentially do you also look at how quickly people die when when they give up you know like it escalates really fast when they just decide mentally where it's like I'm done the stats on that is ridiculous like like how quick the the death rate increases after retirement dude insane when I would train so I had a lot of clients that were surgeons and they all are one point so this was when my at the time my mother-in-law was really really sick and I would ask lots of questions which you know think these thank god my clients were really patient with me because I would just ask tons of questions trying to figure out how to help her and one of the things that one of the surgeons told me is she said I can you know you can't always tell if someone's going to make it or not she goes but with pretty good accuracy we can typically tell when someone's close to dying and it has to do with their attitude we can tell they just kind of give in and then they and then they die and so after she said that to me I thought that was crazy because she's she's a surgeon she's an objective like she's a science-based individual so I asked all my surgeon clients and all the anesthesia anesthesiologists that I trained so at the time I'd probably around eight or ten and I asked every I asked every single one they all agreed they said oh yeah no a lot of times we can tell so when I knew that I thought that was really crazy then when my mother-in-law towards the end of her battle with cancer she went to the hospital to get the fluid removed from her abdomen because her cancer was in her stomach and she was in lots of pain it causes lots of pain and she was just and up until this point she was super positive very graceful a fighter well she goes in they drain her she feels absolutely terrible they do all this tests on her and you know I talked to the doctor and the doctor's like well all of her organs are functioning normally we're not in any super dangerous state he goes but I think she probably has less than a few months you know but right now there's no immediate danger well the next day my you know my at the time again my mother-in-law calls me and says I want you to come down the hospital I go to the hospital and she had invited everybody to come down the hospital today and she one by one had a talk with her goodbyes right set her goodbyes she knew we sat in and I remember talking to her and I said I said but I said listen I said you know I know you want to do this and this is probably a good thing that you're doing this is healthy I said but you know they are your organ function everything's looking good so you've got at least a few more months based off of what they're saying and she goes I know she goes but it's it's my time she goes I just want to say goodbye to you and she says all these things and for the next day she was dead wow next day wow yeah it's crazy I mean so I mean heard a lot of stories like it's it's it's really crazy and we know how much like pain just pain how much of pain is the emotion like this there's a physical sensation of pain but the emotion surrounding pain is much worse when you look at it like that like how much of our life is really just resisting death yeah that's well that's fucked up oh my god I have to bring this up just because that's that's like on the level of this quote that Jose Canseco did on Twitter yeah Jose Canseco yeah Jose Canseco referenced like still around yeah so he says okay so this this was during the the last no this is during the Astros versus the Dodgers I believe like that that world series like was going on and so he tweets this out he says maybe I'm from the upside down maybe all humans are invading or are a invading species from another dimension from old open gate would explain evolution like he's referencing like stranger things like what well what if that's really what you know has happened that's what reality is he hasn't lost what the fuck he's been totally normal for you think about that though like you you come into this world and the first half of your life is like this you you spend growing and then the back half of it I feel like you almost spend dying and so in a sense that the our entire lifespan is resisting it resisting death and it's just a matter of time that yeah when do you decide to give it I think a big I think we're in the between resisting death and a resisting living think even think about it this way think about how much of or that's the struggle back in yeah I think think about it this way how much the duality how much of reality do people just they just don't they just fucking what's the word object to or they they don't want to accept as being reality like that's not how it is that's not real that's not what's going on with my life right it's like no actually it is it's your fault most of what's going on right now in your life is your fault and you need to you know that's such a you know how what a hard pill that is yeah for most people is to just accept that like all the stuff that you have going on like I think it's empowering I don't know why it's so hard I mean I guess I know why it's hard well that's really the enlightenment I mean that's where like it's all these monks and like you go to these like everything like based off of that like trying to like go towards enlightenment it's it's you're by yourself you're understanding yourself on a deeper level and it's like well you know it revolves around my decision making you know it's me like all this shit is happening to me because this is what I'm creating well reality is there whether you like it or not in other words your circumstances are there whether you like it or not so your choices are deny it and pretend like you're a victim and hate it which is torture that's hell that's literally a living hell or make friends with it and empower yourself to change something about it if not all of it so that it changes those are your two options one of them requires responsibility unfortunately and I say unfortunately well fortunately and unfortunately but unfortunately because people don't like that one of them requires responsibility the other one requires you just sit back and hate life and those are really the two options and I think people are fear the responsibility side because they feel like it's more difficult but it's not you know it reminds me of it reminds me of when people are saying when they say oh eating healthy eating a healthy diet and exercising consistently is too hard but the reality is it's way harder to be unhealthy right like it's way while they're struggling with all these symptoms and like pains and like random things where is this coming from no we perceive one we perceive is more difficult only because it's our we're empowering ourselves to take responsibility and do stuff the other one only seems easier because it feels like we're sitting back and not doing anything but the reality is that's that's way more difficult you gotta drive the car man that's it so true grab the wheel this clause brought to you by organifi for those days you fall short on getting your organic veggies or whole food nutrition organifi fills the gap with laboratory tested certified organic superfoods to help give your health a performance the added edge try organifi totally risk free for 60 days by going to organifi.com that's or gani fi.com and use a coupon code mine pump for 20 off at checkout all right our first question is from amy e jolly with the use of steroids growing among female competitors how do steroids affect females what are the short long-term consequences you know it's crazy to see how fast this is um this is growing right now like I remember when I was competing it was obviously very common with you know women bodybuilders like if you were getting on stage and you had a masculine physique to you and you have massive shoulder get yoked right it was obviously these women are taking testosterone because the female body just doesn't produce enough testosterone to get a physique like that but what I thought was crazy was seeing it bleeding into you know the physique figure and then bikini athletes are taking it to the point where I had quite a few of them that would hire me and that would be the question is like do I have to take steroids do I need to take they would ask me so crazy and I'd be like we're entering bikini right and yeah yeah no I know this person they start rattling off people and coaches that put them on anivar and put them on windstrawl and clin and all these different things I'm like oh man are you kidding me like I thought the point of women's bikini was to give you this kind of sexy bikini natural look not for you to be like bone dry shredded fucking vascular and hard you know what yeah if you if you're a female and you you want a sex change it's the first thing to do is they put you on steroids they put you on anabolic hormones and sometimes less than lower doses than what some of these female athletes are taking so you're literally if you're a female and you're giving yourself testosterone you are in essence hormonally telling your body to become male and so all the things that that will happen your body as a result of becoming more male happen with with anabolic steroids I had this years ago god this was when I first became a trainer there was a trainer that worked in the gym with us and she was jacked she was on testosterone she was jacked she was very muscular bone dry she you could tell she had to shave her face sometimes because she was starting to grow facial hair obviously had some you know some some mental issues with her body is why she pushed her body so far I don't even think she competed that much anymore but anyway she was very blunt about taking steroids we'd have competent we'd have conversations I should say we were all very open where everybody was young so you know she would share certain things and so somebody I remember is me her and another trainer and she was telling us about the steroids that she was taking and she was like you know telling us about all the side effects and you know that my buddy's like you know do you grow facial hair and she's like yeah you know I had to get electrolysis but some of some new ones are coming in so I have to shave it and then he goes jokingly he's like you know are you growing a dick and you know he starts laughing and she goes well actually my clit is really big it grew quite a bit from the steroids and so okay we should pull up some of those images and so she so she know we don't need to so she's Monday she told us how big her her clit had gotten and it's like the end of my it's like the last knuckle out of my pinky so it's like a like a massive for a clit massive but like a small penis yeah and she's saying when she gets aroused it gets erect and all this other stuff because that's what I well yeah the because the clitoris and a woman does become erect but it's small right so she grew that her voice was fucked she she was growing facial hair and I'm sure if she stays on it she probably start losing her hair and the way she started to store body fat was more male so she started to like if she let herself go a little bit she'd store like a belly around her waist yeah you know and so that's the long-term consequences I mean short term here's the other thing and that doesn't reverse right it's a lot of those don't reverse yeah a lot of times doesn't reverse a lot of that stuff doesn't reverse and here's the thing too is you know if a man takes testosterone he's not going to have the potential for him to have radical changes in his psychology and his in his mental state or are much lower than with a female because the female brain is so sensitive to testosterone because they have low levels of they have very very low levels of testosterone in their blood so when they take an anabolic steroid even the milder ones like anivar or whatever they're still taking hundreds of times more or whatever than than their bodies are currently producing and it changes how they think and so I've had friends a lot of female friends who are on out of box and it fucks with their moods it fucks with everything yeah it makes them act weird feel weird well I'm going to say it and I know some people are going to offend it or pissed off by it but I mean it hands down this way more dangerous way more risky worse for female than it is for men and I know there's women out there that I've talked to that you know take you know that's those are crazy doses or long periods of times and yeah you're right the the more you take the obviously there's more risk to it the less you take there's less risk to it but you know the the risk involved for a female versus a male that's messing with you know steroids is totally different man it's totally different and I think that it's a lot scarier for for women to do that I mean if I was a female competitor the the only way I would can if you're somebody who who identified more with a male and you are okay with going down that path that you potentially kind to take on a lot more male traits and you wanted that like I mean who am I to say that well that makes sense right because like they sort of buy into that idea and go all the way forward with it but yeah first for like your average female that just wants to present themself on stage look a little leaner you know have more muscle definition like a man well did you did you look up this uh did you look up this person's instagram in the first place no I didn't I wanted to look him up and see so a normal testosterone level for a woman is around you know middle mid-range would be around 40 nanograms per deciliter a man's a healthy man is going to be around 700 to 800 so just to give you an example of the magnitude of difference right so a man is around 20 times higher levels of testosterone naturally than a woman so a woman's body is extremely sensitive testosterone when you give her even a small dose of testosterone or a small dose of anabolic steroids you have really elevated their levels quite a bit and it changes it's it's no different than think about it this way if you're a woman and you take birth control and you feel all the changes in your body that birth control can sometimes cause uh where you feel you know differently maybe you feel more you know someone would say they'll feel more emotional more moody they'll feel more appetite whatever think of all those changes and that's with an estrogen type of hormone or progesterone or whatever imagine if you gave your birth control to your husband boyfriend how different do you how much more of a radical change would he go through right taking female hormones right well you're doing that with a male hormone there's no there's absolutely no reason this girl is way too fit and pretty to be fucking with steroids let's say that right now yeah she's got a great she's got a great physique already i wonder if she's asking just because of her peers and stuff because it she doesn't look well what's the promise right the promise is if you take testosterone or you take steroids you'll get leaner uh and you'll build more muscle and your speed of your metabolism will that happen if you take anabolic steroids yeah yeah that'll that'll definitely happen you're you're getting more of the male hormone what'll also happen is your skin's gonna change um acne is quite common especially with what yeah but what if she's what if these girls because a girl like i'm looking at her page now and she doesn't strike me as someone one that would even be thinking about taking like testosterone and then two like what are your what i see more predominant in the bikini competitors and that's what she would follow in her because she's very small and petite would be like uh anivar windstrawl clombuter all so she anivar and windstrawl are still derivatives of testosterone right there's still anabolic hormones clen is a you know that's it's not a hormone clen is a that's where you're fucked with your thyroid yeah no it's not a thyroid either it's a it was an asthma really yeah no thyroid would i thought i would fuck your thyroid up if you take it too long i mean maybe indirectly but it's not a thyroid hormone so clen is a asthma medicine it's i think it's a beta two agonist it's called in and that works through completely different mechanism then you have thyroid hormones that people will fuck with like t2 yeah t4 or they'll take synthroid which is t3 and t4 the the again with thyroid hormones are you potentially setting yourself up for issues with your thyroid later on maybe you may actually promote the development of antibodies you could develop a autoimmune issue as a result of taking thyroid when you don't need it and thyroid can give you some can fuck with your heart so that's i mean honestly it's it's crazy it's like can you get far as a female competitor not taking antibiotics and not taking drugs i think the odds that you'll you can go far with good genetics are much higher for a woman than there are for a man i think for a man in the competitive space even if you have great genetics it's it's really hard to go far well i think that's the argument that some of the women are making now is that it's becoming so competitive and so it's becoming so predominant within the women that it's like if you're going to get that dry that heart of a look that these these drugs are almost necessary to compete at the highest level and so i think that's what you just have to ask yourself if that's do you do you care about competing that much like have you ever have you ever coached or been with someone a woman that went on antibiotics and then you you monitored and watched their changes or have you been around so no i all the females that i coached were all uh bikini competitors and i had one physique competitor so none of them i was okay with them taking and i but i've had some of them that were with other coaches and with me everybody who coached with me i always wanted to coach you first natural and i wasn't but that wasn't because i was like anti-drugs like if you want to see what their body yeah i was just i'm like listen if you want my help and you want me to give you good it like good advice on what you should do nutritionally or even potentially hormonally i need to know what you're like normal like i need to know what no drugs know nothing in looks like you look what it looks like let me manipulate just your nutrition your activity and your your programming and then from there we together we can discuss okay if you really want to take this to another level like potentially what types of drugs would you fuck with so i never had any of these girls on any of this i never used any of those drugs we never had to i just for women's bikini i think you can go all the way natural for most bodies and i'm a very straightforward guy too like so if i see a girl's physique who just doesn't have the genetic thing it's no different for women as it is for men so it's what's similar is i mean genetics still are number one man now if you have if you have an odd shaped body if you have very boxy and square shoulders and hips you know and you don't have much of an ass and a backside to you and you're just just proportionate um yeah it's going to be a lot harder no drug is going to fix that like no drug is going to make you genetically different it's going to enhance already these things that you know it can enhance the ability for us to build muscle to enhance the ability for us to burn fat but it won't and it won't change your muscle origins insertions it won't change if you have a long torso and a short torso and a lot of people don't realize that a lot of these uh just aesthetically pleasing physiques that we look at a lot of that is genetics a lot of these people have got pretty damn good symmetry before they even got into heavy we're really heavy into weight training and dieting and things like that and so now that they've got this pretty good symmetry and now they've learned to program well and eat well they build these great physiques but then you have the average Jane or Joe which I think I've fallen to that category of an average Jane or Joe type of a body and says hey I want to compete at that level well you know and I obviously I was taking antibiotics to get to the professional level there's no way that my my genetics would ever allow me to get on a pro yeah naturally in a pro there's just they don't exist there's no there's even guys that have great genetics are on on gear in the men's physique and the bodybuilding divisions like it's just it's impossible to even compete at that level yeah I think the the important thing too to keep in mind if you're a female and you're considering this the behavioral changes in a woman or can be significantly worse on testosterone or anabolic than in a man that's a good point much much worse and you know and again I've known women to do this and I've had several of them say after like oh man I felt crazy I felt like I was going crazy like the and that's just because that you know an estrogen dominant brain is fundamentally different than a testosterone dominant brain and so and your brain changes by the way your brain will change as your hormones change evidence will show that now so you're changing who you are on a kind of a fundamental level when you're messing with these things I mean if just you know educate yourself if that's what you're willing to do and it's your body go for it but otherwise I do not think it's a good idea next question is from scamy nesky what are the best gym exercises to show beginners that could benefit just about anyone I have a corporate client that just put in a new gym and they want me to give a quick group intro to the gym machines and exercises don't really have time to assess individual movement patterns oh my god this is tough yeah what well what are the exercises that obviously there's an individual variance right but what are the exercises that you guys like your go to to start with well people of course you're going to do a squat assessment on it right right away but here's the thing though if I'm teaching a group and I've got all age ranges in there and I'm showing like a squat I can like quickly get away from oh for sure I I know right away fucking 75 percent of them are going to have terrible mechanics I mean that's why why I had a job I had a job because it's the most fundamental or one of the best exercises you can show to a beginner is to teach them how to squat properly and I know that majority of people can't do that and so it's it's really tough to answer a question like this because you're asking a very generic question yeah to show what what what movements would you show a a group to be honest what I would do now is completely different than what I would do before and a good example of you know the type of movements that I show beginners like this is um I teach a lot of like what's in our prime pro so or which is also you know a lot of stuff pulled from like FRC so can stretch type of movements that I think that a lot of people will benefit from and those being like your your 90 90s and working on ankle mobility other different and progressions to the 90 90 um doing stuff for their like a wall test or their a further upper cross syndrome because almost everybody you're going to get that walks into the gym for the first time is going to have that's going to suffer from upper and lower cross syndrome which right away tells me that any movement pattern that they do they're they're going to deviate from the ideal like mechanics right so it's a really tough thing like if I would I'd rather not show them you know machine exercises at all or even a squad I would teach them like some movements to get better connected to their body and teach that now if you don't have that flexibility to do that I mean I would spend the entire time around the squat then using that person and bring one exercise right one exercise and and like that would be my move right and bring up each you know as many people as you can individually and talk about you know why this movement is so well think about how impactful that would be too because you could show the variance um between each other each person performing the exercise how that quickly like um you know turned into a totally different thing right just just watching each person as they bring in um you know their movement patterns and what specifically is going on with their joints um yes it's a very tough very tough question it's hard to to generalize because you could you could put together like you know you need a squat you need overhead press you need a deadlift I would go down to home depot I would go get myself a you know little one inch PVC pipe you know that's about four or five feet long costs you about a dollar two dollars you'll get from home depot I'd get one of those and then I would literally use our prime test or so our maps prime test that's the the three zones and I would have I would have gather gather them all around I'd put the pipe on the three points that we show in the videos and the demos in there and I would make you know three to four of them come through and show them what their mechanics should look like when they squat or perform any other movements how they should be able to keep these three points into contact which all this is in prime see what's what sucks about this question is because they're saying it's they have a corporate client that put in a new gym and they want me to give a quick group intro to the gym and if they do a bunch of prime stuff they're not touching any machine right I know I know hey welcome to the new gym we're all going to be on the floor here but if I'm going to use the wall obviously this person is a gym obviously they have this relationship with a client and I'm going to be fucking thinking like a trainer where I'll you're doing the right thing yeah I'm going to do the right thing and I also know that also leads to them inquiring about my services right it's like I and I would actually start it with this like listen and what I can do for you guys in this new beautiful gym and show you how to use every I could show you how to use every one of these machines right but what I know because I've been doing this for a really long time prerequisites to perform all these exactly and let me show let me show what I mean by prerequisites and why most of you and I would start to call volunteers up to demonstrate a couple of these movements and then I would still look back and say listen I could still come over here and show you guys all these different machines and how they work but know that if we can't do these three basic movements properly that there's a lot of work that needs to be done and that's where I would recommend dude I'll tell you what the more aware you become of movement the the easier it is for you to pick to see dysfunction in everyday people yeah and like the other day you know when we were hiking with the kids we were at uh was at the pinnacles and this this car drives up and it's a group of like dudes in their 20s all obviously lift weights they've cut they're kind of like bros right they all showed up in like these like either tight shorts and same tops or whatever yeah to do this hike and I'm looking at all of them and obviously you know Jessica's also a trainer so both of us are pretty aware of when we can tell people lift weights or we can tell when people train and we're looking at these guys and their movement was terrible all of them had a horrible posture one guy had forward head and forward shoulder and anterior public tilt so bad but he also had a lot of muscle surrounding it and really when you see this you realize that you know when you just go to the gym and just work out can you can you build muscle yeah you can build muscle but if you don't if you don't foster better movement patterns all you're doing is you're building armor around your shitty movement you're literally you're literally strengthening all the bad dysfunction and just making it more muscley and more more dominant well and this is where you get all these these dudes and girls that work out all the time and then hurt themselves with some basic you know you know my I had a family member the other day that freaking slipped a disc lifting a box off the floor works out all the time it's because you got bad function and you strengthen that bad function and develop muscle around it but yeah you have to do this stuff otherwise you're you're fucking it just reminds me I was training a client and one time and they pointed out like a statement I made a lot of times I'll just say things and it's just because it's it's on on the spot right like I see you know movement patterns or I see things that I'm trying to articulate sort of the process of it and one thing I said to her I was like well you know either you're you're building muscle through momentum or you're building muscle through intention and so it's like you can you can just keep going aimlessly towards building muscle and yeah you'll build muscle but you know what how are you going to use that muscle how how's it going to affect your movement how's it going to affect all these other things you have to have the intent behind it uh to to be the driver so it's one of those things like I think a lot of people don't realize it's more complicated it's more important now than it's ever been I mean I'm I'm fascinated with what I've seen even with myself right so this was the most uh time that I've taken off of being consistent with my training and everything like this that little I know it was probably about a three month window there between my injury and the the hormone stuff and going on where I just was not in the gym consistently and I have I felt myself in that short window I felt my forward head come out more than I ever had before because I went I went back to revisiting our zone one test I couldn't believe how much more challenging it was for me than just a year previously when we created the program we're going through because at least then I was training and I was doing things to combat what my day looks like now and my never in my life my days never looked like this before just five years ago four years ago okay four years and the and the 30 previous years of that never as my day consisted of potentially sitting at a laptop or looking at my phone for six to eight hours in a day and it realistically looks at it now I know this is me in my personal life now how many other people have their lives changed like that in the last 10 years because 10 years ago 15 years ago for sure a lot of jobs didn't look like that there wasn't a lot of jobs where you're just staring at a computer screen I mean the computer was just getting evolved around that time now it's necessary like your computer skills are necessary and now everybody has got a smartphone so look at your posture the next time you look at your phone look at your posture the next time you look at your computer and then ask yourself how often do you do this and then ask how many people around us are doing this now and it's becoming progressively worse so I know this probably isn't the way this person wanted us to answer this question but somebody's got to fucking start saying things about other otherwise you're really not a good trainer if you just go around and you just show all these machines you got to at least communicate that yeah because I understand too what if you're being hired for a specific thing like hey I need you to show people how these work like literally they need to know how to turn them on or that's the thing like you can you can have that moment to educate and you can point out um you know that that it's like all these variables exist and and this is something that we need to acknowledge now I can perform all these exercises awesome for you I'm going to show you in demo you know these specific exercises will probably do the best for a beginner but that's me performing them right I used to show I used to do this right so I used to do like some of my fits like this my our free appointments that we used to do where I would take somebody who asks like if you ask me specifically like I want to know how to use the machines here I would like I would like to do that it's my free assessment could you teach machines absolutely I could do that you know and I would do that and I would take them through and each machine that I would show them get them on I get them on a shoulder press like a machine shoulder press and they would be doing I'm like oh this is how you do this and then I get them in have them doing to say now these are the things that you need to pay attention to because you're in this machine notice that your low back is starting to arch off your slouching your core is not activated you don't have good pot now this is the problem with like these machines and then I just move on the next one and I keep doing that I'd point out all the areas and what what it would notice yourself right in this position I give them what they want but at the same time too I'm giving them bits of information and education around why this probably is an ideal for them I'm gonna say that I'm gonna say don't do this is bad because he asked for that right he or she asked me for that so I'm gonna give you what you want but while I'm doing that I'm planning seeds right letting them know that yeah this is how this machine works but really and let's be honest machines were designed for hypertrophy and rehabilitation most people that are coming here right are looking for overall health and fat loss environment really right right and it's not what's ideal for you what's ideal for you is for you to get better connected to your body and movements that force you to do that that you know are that make you contract and hold your core keep neutral spine while you're that not something that's going to allow you to cheat them you know what you know they did studies they've done studies on companies that have a good like wellness fitness program and then they'll measure the the the employees they'll test the employees who are actually working out eating right and how much less money they are yeah how much money it costs to provide that for them and then how much money the company saves in in return with I see increased productivity decreased sec you know sick days like all these different things but the the flaw in those studies is they're taking people who are working out consistently needing right just because you have a gym in your corporate facility doesn't mean you're going to reap the benefits of that gym or that you're going to get your money back you could spend a hundred thousand dollars outfit your your your corporation or your building with a small gym with some machines a smith machine typically right it's like five machines a bunch of cardio and a smith machine maybe and they'll be like cool we invested a hundred fifty thousand dollars we should be able to get that back and employee you know no you're not because nobody's using it right I think the smarter thing to do would be get a smaller facility with some like dumbbells on the floor and then have some trainers actually offer good services and teach people in correct exercise how to move properly that'll give you way more in return well which is required more which may be what's being offered to this trainer right now right you've got this client who's a big CEO of a big company they decided to open up their own little space where their people can work out and I look to my trainer who I pay a hundred dollars an hour and I say hey you know can I pay you to come you know to my corporate and kind of show or my corporate office gym and show these my 50 employees you know how to use all the machines in there I would appreciate so you probably are going to have to show all that because that's what they're asking you to do and you can't but while you're doing that maybe afterwards show them how to like take them through a correctional exercise course yeah you'll blow their mind oh no that's why I mean use the tools that we've provided for you I mean this is why this is why most our trainers own all the primes and prime if you're a trainer you don't know prime and prime pro and you listen to show what the fuck are you doing because that those were like made for trainers to help to give you a tool to help you assess people and to also you know if you're trouble to simplify it too because like you know as we're talking it starts to get kind of away from us because it gets like a little bit complex like when you try and like articulate like where you start like it's it's kind of a lot so we simplify it by just adding three things to check right next question is from Maddie Lee 217 do your significant others ever feel upset about some of the information that you share about your personal lives on the podcast oh my god you put that one up here that's yeah well at the beginning sales definitely did oh yeah it was a last it led to a divorce it was the last straw that broke the camel so bad to laugh about I know we're somewhat responsible no I yeah you know it's funny because uh obviously I'm a I'm a you know my nickname was big mouth when I was growing I have a couple nicknames that was one of them and I tend to do that if I'm gonna I talk the way I talk on the podcast is generally how I talk to everybody now of course I watch my language depending on my audience and I'm not the topics sometimes will be different but if I'm expressing an opinion or I'm talking about myself I don't ever you know I'm pretty much uncensored I just talk and communicate and I'm pretty honest and I think that's the way people should communicate my ex was much more private much much much more private with how she communicated things and I mean we had been together for a long time so she knew how I was so we got on the podcast and I just was me it was it wasn't anything different I wasn't pretending to be anybody else but she had a big problem with that because I would talk about you know sacks and I talk about my experience with you know you know personal or just personal stuff which it was nothing crazy but yeah I definitely bothered her quite a bit now now with Jessica it's not it's never an issue in fact she's pushes me to be more and more honest even more like she'll say like you should go into depth about this I'm like are you sure people you know they might think this or whatever she's like who cares it's the truth so she's cool with it but yeah I don't know how you could I wouldn't be able to do this with somebody who had problems with yeah I think Courtney just gives me autonomy you know she just lets me um did she listen to the show no yeah see she has no idea yeah but she'd know but she's she's very like she's in the forum which is also respect for all that too though that's part of it is just like I don't need to be in this business you know honestly it's it's that it's like you know she knows you know she she watches stuff I do on Instagram and this and that but she never like like gets like all in it you know and like she just knows that I'm gonna do things the way I'm gonna do it and I'm gonna do it you know she she really doesn't I mean she has a big say in it of course but she just knows that I respect boundaries uh already you know in the relationship we've established that like they honestly factor to that started from day one and and that was something that was like such a high priority because we had both been in relationships where it was like had to hide things right you know and like her to the extreme of that like she couldn't it was funny because I never told this but um my name and her phone was uh I think it was Justina the the trainer like I was supposed to be like a girl trainer uh it's her to hide for a boyfriend right just so I was Justina forever because you would have had a problem with her training with a male of course of course unfounded problem what it's not like she would have ever dated her trainer and then married never would have never would have worked out that way right this sounds like he was on the road yeah he's really strict this is I guess he's kind of a smart guy anyways but yeah it was it was just like I don't know I think it's it's just if you know if you know your partner your spec your partner like you're gonna talk about certain things and like you're gonna stretch boundaries and then maybe like you'll think to yourself like oh maybe I shouldn't brought that up but at the end of the day it's it nothing is malicious you know it's like it maybe will bring something up that's like uncomfortable or like you know personal but it's with good intent for you know other people to benefit from or it's like something like some therapeutic reason you know like it's it's nothing that where I'm like I'm trying to put my family on blast or you know I always I think these things through as we talk about on the show well I think that um well first of all at the beginning I'd have to say that I probably drove Katrina a little crazy at the beginning because at the beginning I think I really embraced the the kind of allowed out there crazy topic talking edgy conversation stuff past relationship shit like I really embodied that personality on the show because I felt like we needed it I felt like there was two do you had the two married guys with the kids and stuff like that I'm like and it sucked for my girl was we're pretty much married because I'm not married I can get away with more and plus yeah we were playing off that quite a bit we did we we had him the single guy that and so I kind of I kind of embraced at the beginning and that was kind of a thing that you know I remember and it never bothered Katrina to where it ever led to a fight or an argument or her being mad at me it led more to me like coming because she listens to every single show she's listened to every she listens to every single show before I do and you know I'd come home and she'd just be like kind of like looking at me and I'd have like to and she'd be like oh yeah another another douchebag moment today and then I go listen and I'd hear it and be like oh yeah no I'm sorry honey type of deal but with us you know always since day one I mean like you Justin you know Katrina and I had I've told the story I believe on this podcast multiple times of the moment when I knew that I was in love with her that she hates me sharing but it's so true and it's because we have established this you know radical honesty in our relationship and that's one of the things that she absolutely says that she loves and adores about me is that she knows that I can ask me the deepest darkest question or the most challenging thing for a man right if a woman asks you how do I look or what is this way and I will give the brutal honest answer oh what's in my mind I could just I've trained myself to say what's in my mind and I know that sometimes that's going to be offensive and I know sometimes people are going to be offended by that and they are going to get angry or my words aren't going to come out perfectly but what I can say is it's it is who I am and it's it is what's in my mind and I also believe with like partnerships and relationships and marriages I think so many people think that you know oh once you get married or once you get into this partnership we become one and it's it's our journey together and I don't believe in that I I don't believe that it's my responsibility to make her happy and I don't believe it's her responsibility to make me happy I believe we're two people on two individual different journeys and we we've found each other and we've chosen to share those journeys together and so I think trying to conform somebody to be a certain way or to say things a certain way or not do that would be awful and I would never be able to make it in a relationship like that and I think because her and I are both on that same page I don't think she would ever get that upset over but absolutely she gives me jabs you know for sure but I love that now like so now I rarely ever listen to our show but she's my she's my great gauge on on you know the way I speak on here or the topics that I bring up or the things that we talk about or how I convey a message or obviously she's probably heard almost every story I've ever shared on here so she's even wanted to tell me like you really didn't share that story very well you tell it so much you tell that story so much better you know like she's heard it and she's like or she'll come back and she'll I mean she'll tell me when I do well she'll be like oh my god she's like I haven't heard you share that story since we first started dating it was so much better hearing it on the pot like so I love that and so I get this great feedback from her and she doesn't hold anything back if she thinks I sound like a douchebag or an asshole and she'll tell me and I love that it's there's it's such an empowering feeling to live an authentic honest life and when people think honest they think so much freedom in that yeah they think oh you need to be this you know pious like super good individuals like no but honestly tends to lead you to that direction because when you live honestly it's a mirror you have it reflects back at you how you live so it's easier to do shit that you that you probably don't want to do or what I should say is it's easier to do things you know you shouldn't do when you lie about it when you're honest you can still do things you don't want to do but then you have to be honest about it and that many times leads you to pay the piper it may many times it leads you to be a better person but it's super empowering what happens when you live a life where you're not a fully authentic and you're you lie here and there is it bleeds into everything and it creates this this alternate life you start to live as someone else that you're not and that's torture it's terrible yeah so we see this in our space a lot in our space as you start to see these bigger name people that are either podcast or youtube or instagram celebrities you know they've built and I I could totally identify with this because I remember when we first started the show I did sometimes feel like I was playing into a character than really being myself and you know and that part of that is being you know trying to figure out the formula and is this what people want to hear and now we all we have the it's funny we started off with a zero fucks mentality but I really believe that we've really truly evolved to that now because we have we've created a sustainable business around that now now I can really be authentic in a hundred percent be who I am which isn't always the guy who's talking about the single it's not easy it's not easy being super authentic it actually takes practice yeah it does because so much of you is okay well how is this person going to receive it what are they going to think what do I think right when you're not authentic you don't even know what you what you don't you might not even know what authentic is the crazy part is that I think and that was really what radical what was so cool about radical honesty was that the more I learned to apply that the more I got away with and the more I thought people would that began to appreciate it and you and it's you know so sometimes like the things that you think like oh god I can't say that but it's on my mind and I believe it like if it's on my mind and I believe it I'm going to say it well it might be shocking initially right like for the person to receive but the more frequent like they just they know that it's endearing quality after they've heard that they know that they can count on the information being like honest and being from your heart and even if it's like it causes a little bit of you know temporary kind of sting people tend to get over that quickly when they know it's coming from a genuine place right yeah and and personally I don't know about you guys and actually I do know about you guys if we've talked about this try censoring me it'll it'll make things so much worse for you like if somebody tries to censor me it doesn't work it doesn't work well for you and in fact it causes me to usually do the opposite of what you're trying to force me to do and that is especially true when it comes to the words that I all have in common yeah I mean yeah you can't well the show would have forced me to do the show would never had been able to to do what we've done where we're at now and so with that had we had any of us had partners that had and hence why I mean we talk about I mean obviously the there was other things in Sal's relationship previously and stuff like that that had led this but for sure the podcast was the straw that broke the camel's back and it would have broke any of our backs if we would have if we would had a partner that was like that because we had all agreed that we're coming it would have been possible yeah and I'm you know it's I don't know I think that's when you know you have a really good partner or husband or wife or whatever when they when they truly do support and that's what having someone's back actually means right it doesn't mean bad you know it doesn't mean you you you agree with everything that they do it means that they feel like they can be truly authentic and honest with you that's what it means and even when like Katrina criticizes I really genuinely feel that way that it's not her like angry upset at me she's taking her emotions like that it made her feel certain way it's like this is my honest feedback as just a normal listener like take it take it with what you want I'm not telling you say it or don't say it you say what the fuck you want like but this is what it sounds like when you say that so yeah I think there's a difference in that when then then you have the girl who you've probably everyone's dated before who's jealous and insecure and that's how she's saying things everything she's criticizing because it's from there exactly it's from that place it's not has nothing really to do with what you're saying even though it's the things that you're saying is triggering that and her and it's really more about her insecurities that's causing her to be that way where I don't think any of us have women like that next question is from heart on my thumb can priming help in the bedroom any particular moves to prime for party time this is just a question yes party party time heart on my thumb bedroom mobility how can you how do you pry I mean or yeah what do you do it depends on how aggressive you know this session is going to be yeah I can't imagine first off yeah I think about intensity no no no no see I think there's so there's bedroom priming but it's not it's not 99 let's start with the body and then work our way towards the rituals well I think that I think that you're all stretching and shit before you yeah I think we can all agree that most of most of uh I mean sex is physical because you obviously feel your partner but a much of sex is um mental and so I think um and I for sure being a fucking 36 year old man and it's totally different than asking 25 year old version of me of this there's definitely steps and things that I do to prime myself to be in that space like and and I do it based off of like if I know that we have it like maybe we it's a couple days have gone by right because my girl freaks out if she doesn't get it like every other day so let's say a couple days have gone by two three days have gone by and we haven't like and maybe I'm just we got a lot going on my pump we're flying here there and I'm just I'm not there you know I'm saying like I'm not in that space it requires me to kind of mentally prime myself that way so um there's different things that I have I have some stuff that uh I've shared on the podcast and I have some personal secret stuff that I haven't shared on the podcast before that I do 100% I tell us well I'll tell you the stuff I've told you before which is for sure the reading together has been uh reading together and brain FM have been like epic things for me for sure it's been game changer for for us to do that but we'll also like even just going for a walk so like it you know if I know that that night like it's important that we have some intimacy because I've been neglecting because if anyone's going to neglect that it's me I'm the guy who I she's always touchy-feely she's definitely always reminding me how much she loves me she's incredible when it comes to the intimacy side I'm the one who's awful with that and so it does require some sort of a priming sometimes to get myself in that space and out of the other space which is fucking work mode all time so a great walk in the evening uh with her is a great way to kill multiple birds with one stone because I'm getting steps in I'm burning calories where it's therapeutic it's meditative to do that it also creates this connection with her and I I never would have thought I'd say she like this too by the way you know at 25 going for walks just sounds ridiculous sounds old right I would never do that but knowing that where I'm at in my life now and I'm sure a lot of mid 30s and 40 year old people can relate to this you know this stuff really helps it really helps me to go take this walk to for us to open up or read a book together or listen to a book together and then obviously the brain FM focuses when shit's happening you know it's working if that's that's the transition that's the same beat yeah that's this that's the segue into its game time but leading up to that those are those are all steps that I do I also last valentine's day I'm gonna fuck this up honey I don't know if it was last valentine's day the one before she made a very sexy book for me of her like so what last year last year the year before it was the year before when we got really she got in really good shape for one of my shows with me and then she went and did a photo shoot so I have this really cool really nice hardback beautiful book and it's just all these great photos of her so like tell you what nothing yeah I could be totally in another space work mode thinking about other stuff like that yeah I'll flip through that book you're like real quick it'll transfer I see what's gone yeah yeah real quick I'm like oh shit and it's actually kind of it blows my mind that it has this power because I have had this book now for well over a year I think two years now and it's not that often that I go pull it out of my because it's in my dresser right I don't better hide that shit when you have kids well I didn't make it it's in the chair friend yeah oh I found dad's porn what the oh so yeah so these but what I was saying that what blows my mind is that um how well it does work because you think because you've seen I've seen all those photos a million times I've seen her naked a million times right and we've been together for seven years it's crazy that uh how easily we either you could say take for granted your partner or how easily we become distracted of other priorities in our life that you forget about that stuff and so to me uh and yeah you might have been searching for movements as far as like mobility and stuff I know that's like the silly go-to right it would have been like you know pumping you know a few times just to get a nice like chubb and then come back to it later you know you could say something like that right but yeah we're not going to go that dirty direction well you could I mean I I'm going to give you like the real truth because I've been cracking down on me with it yeah I mean I I think of party time bedroom time and getting myself ready for that for me I've taken care of my my body well I will okay here's something on the body I definitely see this with myself personally again speaking from my personal experience um I can connect with a lot I think a lot of women can agree with this I don't know how many men are the same way as but I am for sure way more sexually active and want it more when I feel good about myself this like part of this whole like testosterone thing going and getting softer and so like that it's been a challenge for my sex drive to not only do I feel like my hormones are shit but then on top of my body feels nice I don't like when I'm fit guy I am definitely the dude the lights are off walks around naked around the house you know brushing his teeth naked in the kitchen downstairs naked just walking because I feel good I feel like I look good you know when I don't I'm the guy who goes turns everything off lights one candle then gets naked you know I'm saying like there's there's definitely two versions of me and when I'm feeling myself I think that that's a that those are all important things for me to prime for the bedrooms yeah I've had to learn a lot you know in this in this department as far as like tactics are concerned and priming uh and it's all it's hilarious because for me it revolves around doing something intentionally super nice like out of my norm to get her attention you know what I mean like I'll um if it's anything around the house it's like um something that I had I had she has mentioned like a long time ago but we've all forgotten like I'll just like oh yeah and then I'll just like fix something or I'll you know I'll go and and I'll take the kids out for ever for a couple hours it's such a handy man without like honestly it's a skill set gentlemen you just gave yourself away right now everybody's every time you post like your little projects everyone's like just trying to get oh no everybody's on to me now that literally is the reason come on why else would I do that shit I could hire somebody to do that please I'll do with my shirt off I'll have like jeans on you know saying that's like so gave yourself a move gentlemen it is a move you just have your tool belt on yeah honestly that's that's the next level I've been working my way up to that you know like you know get the full outfit gone for me what we've lately really found to be incredible foreplay is cooking together cooking together oh man I love that we're now we have another food sponsor like butcher box because we'll get that and I'll throw on the grill and we'll just prepare food together and sometimes share a glass of wine or something like that and it's it's the sexiest thing like rarely will the meal and rarely will we eat the food right afterwards it's usually like oh we got time to have sex before we eat or whatever let's slow cook these fuckers oh my god shit's on fire I know honey I know I don't know man yeah once you get it going you know I mean you can't stop well they're cooking together good conversation is another one yeah um you know Jessica's definitely she's a she likes the intellectual stuff too so if we get into really deep conversations about theoretical things that's always a turn on just because I think look it's it's no different than going for a walk I think takes your mind off of the stressful stuff right and when your mind is off the stressful stuff long enough then this this creative energy emerges well it allows you to be present yeah and you're like true connection that way eye to eye and you're having a great conversation there's nothing more powerful than that sexual sexual energy is creative energy it's the ultimate creative energy I mean I mean sex exists I mean biologically to create you know life or whatever and I think it's a form of creative energy and just like you know if you want to write or you want to paint or you want to create something cool you can't be creative when you're thinking about a bunch of shit and you're stressed out so you got to put yourself in that space to be creative and then what will emerge is ideas or sexual energy and many times that's what happens with me is once we I can get out of that space whether we're cooking or watching something or having deep conversation that creative energy emerges and it turns out that I'm I can't tell you I mean especially after my divorce I was all kinds of stress going on where you know I'd be sitting with Jessica and the last thing in my mind would be sex and then we would start getting this real deep conversation and next thing you know I'm like oh shit well any things one of the things you do not want to do is have your cell phone around I think unless it's porn on it well this this this doesn't work damn it doesn't work for me in this time right that like it's never been like this at least for me ever is that what a distraction that thing can be and I really see it in our generation and the generation younger right than us that you know how often do you see people at even like date settings you know we're just a guy to girl and they're both got their phones out and they're staring at them and you know and I'm not judging because I can do this I can become this person very easily there's always an email or something that I can be working on my phone and so being the entrepreneur that we all are right it becomes really easy to justify that and that that what that's doing is taking you away from that interaction with that person right then and there and to me one of the best things to prime the bedroom is to get rid of your like you're get rid of your electronics for literally a few hours before you plan to even be at all intimate or with your partner because you know I and I this has been something that I've been trying to go earlier and earlier like I remember when we first started talking about after I read um Irresistible you know I started like putting my phone down at seven now I've I've even cut back even further where what I try and do now is to answer all my social media questions or DMs or emails all in the morning and because there's so many of them I do it one more time at about four o'clock when I'm leaving here and and that's it like no more like and then after that like as soon as I drive home I come home and I'm like going upstairs plug my phone in and I leave it alone and then if I absolutely gotta go look at numbers or analytics or some of the business stuff I'll open up my laptop and I'll work on that at a specific time but other than that and that's done a huge difference for me and just my interaction with Katrina for sure excellent uh so if you haven't checked out our show notes yet you are missing out go to mind pump media dot com and click on the uh but what is it what is the part that clays with the podcast little tab and then we have show notes and breaks down every single episode basically minute by minute um and we also have links on there to the studies that we 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