I am James Swannick and today we are joined by JoDell Fitzwater who is a nutrition educator and a lover of all things health fitness nutrition and she's a pro stand-up paddle athlete which we're going to learn about in a second. She's a big Swanee's glasses enthusiast along with her daughter who are always posing with their Swanee's on which we appreciate very much and we're going to be talking about sleep, we're going to be talking about coffee, the benefits, maybe potential cons of coffee I'd like to get into as well if there are any. Stand-up paddle boarding, I'd love to know a little bit more about that and just you know what time JoDell gets to sleep and how she perfects her sleep and what time she wakes up and how she lives a healthy holistic life. So JoDell welcome to the show, great to have you here. James I'm so honored that you asked me on your podcast so yeah I really value the blog post you guys put out about sleep and so it's it's fun to see people out there putting out the truth about sleep and not just you know like make sure you get seven to eight hours well how are they going to do that and you guys put really good posts out about that so. Thank you, appreciate it. When you said the truth about sleep what are some of the untruths or the things that people get wrong about sleep that you see in the media quite often? Yeah great question because as a nutritionist I that's 70% of one of the issues that people come see me with are sleep related issues so I'm a big number one I'm a big proponent of getting their circadian rhythm right and that starts with you know dimming that blue light that our environments are so toxic with but also I really value the bio individuality of sleep like the mainstream will say seven to eight hours but yet I have clients some of them need nine to ten hours and then I have other clients that need that can get by on seven so it's really individual and I think that's one of the myths the other myths is that you can run on less sleep like three to four hours and just because you can do something doesn't mean that you should because we really want to optimize our health and on our health overall starts with sleep. Yeah what time do you get to sleep each night and what time do you wake up in the morning? Yeah and it wasn't always this way it wasn't until I had a lot of health issues that I decided I wanted to go to bed kind of with the sun and wake with the sun so I go to bed typically around eight thirty and nine is my max if I'm up after nine it's because there's some sort of an emergency or something so I'm not invited to a lot of dinner parties or anything like that but and then I get up. I wonder you haven't been taking my late night calls. Yeah that's the only reason I that's exactly right I see the time and I'm like oh after my bedtime um so yeah then about five five o'clock is usually may wake up time in the morning got it okay so if you're going to bed around eight thirty you're getting up at five so that you know you're sleeping a good eight and a half hours right like the eight and a half hours and how is the quality of your sleep? You know it wasn't always great I've been in the fitness industry for about 20 years and the first probably decade of my career I thought like many people oh I can get by on five or six hours I'll be fine I'll just pound a lot of caffeine and energy drinks the next day at the gym and I'll be fine and I was fine for about five years and then my health started to suffer and I started to develop adrenal issues and thyroid issues and I lost my fertility and all of that so it was a big eye-opener for me about how important not just eating right and exercising is but also getting your your optimization of your circadian rhythm right which is very off for many people so um but yeah I just I feel like it's it's kind of misinterpreted because in our environment if you can get a lot done and you're this person that's go go go and you're burning the candle both ends that's supposed to be the right way to live and actually less is more when it comes to your health so I had to learn that the hard way but now I've dialed it back to where I really see the benefits and the quality of my sleep is much better now I still have nights where I struggle but I've figured out what that is it's still residual adrenal issues that are going on and I'm finding ways to slowly heal that the adrenals take the longest to heal so you really have to be patient when it comes to sleep if you are working on yourself and and know that it is going to happen and those little bitty bits of progress along the way are telltale signs how did you do damage to your adrenals I was an athlete as you said I was a paddle athlete and I was also teaching about 15 classes a week at a local gym and I was a personal trainer so I was doing my own running I would run sometimes eight miles a day plus I would do like three to four classes a day of teaching weight training classes and kickboxing classes and then I'd paddle a lot because I was a sponsored ambassador with BICSUP which is a stand-up paddle company and so they would send me all over the country to give paddle demonstrations and go to expos and stuff like that so I was really overdoing it on my exercise and my fitness and so when you put your body in this state of high adrenaline and high cortisol you do have a lot of energy to run on but it's not really clean energy it's kind of like putting really bad gas in your car it'll go but it's going to sputter along the way and so that's what was happening over time it was it was just like I was doing too much and so my body just started giving out if you can only put out so much adrenaline and cortisol for so long until your body's like all right I fold white flag I can't do this anymore so that's that's really what did it for me it was about five years into that that my my thyroid tanked and my adrenals gave out and I noticed that by my sleep when I tried to sleep longer it wasn't coming like I could sleep for five hours but if I tried to sleep longer than that it was like I couldn't go to sleep I couldn't stay asleep so I couldn't repair even does that suggest that someone can over train like I mean it sounds like you were doing a lot you were you were coaching and you you were exercising you were running and you were paddle boarding you're doing all these kind of things um let's compare that type of scenario to someone like me who goes to the gym for about a 45 minute wait session a few times a week and then does a couple of high intensities and then one gentle run during the week and then you know I take one or two days off um is that is what I just described for myself is that possibly fatiguing or burning out my adrenals or is that does that sound something like would be would be okay James what you're saying sounds very balanced because again you're you're putting your body in a state of movement every day but not excessive and it like you said use the word a gentle run that's what people should be doing the human body when it goes for a run and it's all out effort you're telling yourself well there the only reason the human should be running is to run from something you know so while we're not necessarily running from pray as we would in hunter cat gatherer days we could still be going for a run to like calm this anxiousness that we feel a lot of people go for a run to calm down the anxiety that they feel and so they're running from something they're still running from that anxious feeling because it calms them down in a in a weird way um and so that's not you know not to say that running's wrong or bad but I did it for many years and it only served to to harm me it didn't help me now a gentle run that's something else because if you can you know I kind of teach my clients if you can nasal breathe while you're running you're doing something right because you should be able to keep a calm nervous system and be able to breathe through your nose while you're running if you're doing a mouth breathing it's stressing your body so yeah what you're doing sounds balanced but how people know if they're over training is number one your sleep will suffer and you won't know why you'll have trouble going to sleep trouble falling is staying asleep maybe you're waking up frequently to pee we really shouldn't be doing that and then also um your body will give you signals such as being wired but tired so you have like this this energy that you could run on all day which is called adrenaline but you're also very fatigued where you feel like you could take a nap at any point in the day but if you did try to lay down such as at night when you go to bed you can't go to sleep so that's true for many people that are kind of doing too much and doing too much doesn't have to just be physical training a lot of people are stressed and they're thinking they have too many jobs going on they have too many irons in the fire they don't know when to say no and that can also elevate adrenaline even without running and without overtraining to where it's going to be hard to shut down yeah we're talking to joe del fitswater who is an educator and lover of all things health fitness nutrition uh she's a pro stand-up battle a paddle athlete and a certified functional nutritional therapy practitioner and a food psychology coach a paddle fit pro trainer lifestyle coach and a certified personal trainer with over 20 years experience in the health and fitness industry you can learn more over at get fit with joe del dot com get fit with joe del dot com joe del you mentioned coffee before um i'd love to talk about this i've had a on again off again relationship with coffee i didn't drink coffee for the first 35 years of my life didn't didn't even have a drop was never interested and then i temporarily lived in columbia and where they had a wonderful coffee and i started drinking coffee and then i got into coffee and then i tried bulletproof coffee where i put a stick of grass-fed butter and some mct oil in my in my um coffee i use and i love to the taste of that for a while and then and then after a while i found myself feeling um quite agitated throughout the day whereas initially i enjoyed the taste and the ceremony and the ritual of the morning cup um i found myself late morning kind of early afternoon still feeling a bit irritated and agitated and i reluctantly stopped and then since then i've kind of gone on again off again so i go on for that three months where i drink coffee and then i stop for three months and then i might start again for a month and then i'll go four months off but i the only reason i ever stop is because for me i get i get to a point where i start to depend on it i feel myself depending on it and i start to feel myself getting agitated and irritated about three or four hours after i have the coffee um having said that it sounds like you're about to sing the praises and the nutritional benefits or whatever of coffee so i'm just curious what your thoughts are on coffee in general for people and and what you know guidance you may have for for me and in the scenario that i just presented yeah i mean i don't think you're alone in that i've heard other people say that as well like it starts off well enough the relationship but then it gets out of hand because you know we we tend to be creatures that go after more and more and more like one cup but it turns into five cups or what have you but then also um if you are already a person that has good energy you already run on a lot of adrenaline coffee does elevate adrenaline and it does stimulate your adrenals so it if somebody's already amped up it can irritate them or agitate their system to have more adrenaline so that feeling that you were talking about is actually a feeling of excess adrenaline pumping through your system and that's kind of irritating to the to the nervous system so you were probably listening to your body and dialing it back when that happened and then you felt reprieved for a while but the taste of coffee is what gets me like it's that taste you know it's just a beautiful taste and that's why i'm kind of a coffee junkie too but uh yeah i have to i have to keep mine in check too because i can easily go out of hand i don't use it for energy probably like yourself i use it just for the taste of it just having that warm cup of mud in the morning um but what i would have to do is i use a swiss water process decaf regular decafs are decaffeinated through a formaldehyde process so if you can find a good swiss water process maybe you can mix it with your favorite columbian coffee that you have and just do a little half-caf to where you're just cutting down on the caffeine to avoid that overstimulation um so i kind of i kind of go that route and then once a year i do like a 10 day to 14 day coffee fast where i won't have coffee and it kind of resets my caffeine level if you will so i can i can go through a couple of days of like a headache because we just don't know how dependent we get on the caffeine um but then after that it's like i get to the end of the 10 or the 14 days depending on how long i did it and i go you know i don't really have to have it i don't really need it but eventually because of the taste and because of our environment and everybody's drinking coffee around you go back into it so yes coffee has some amazing benefits it actually has magnesium which can be calming to certain individuals that are low in magnesium but too much caffeine can amp up a nervous system which causes you to throw out magnesium so it's this fine balance of like getting just the right amount to get your fix without overdoing it kind of like the training i read somewhere that if you can you should delay having your first cup of coffee by about an hour in the morning because when we wake up in the morning our cortisol levels are very high and caffeine has been found to keep cortisol levels elevated for longer um were you aware of that or is that your understanding oh yeah for sure yeah i mean it's the cortisol and the adrenaline are kind of go hand in hand as your ultimate like stress inducing response hormones and so yeah caffeine can over stimulate that to where like i said if you're already amped up in the morning chances are you want to do more of that swiss water process decaf just for the taste without all the caffeine um but yeah if i like the idea of delaying it a little bit maybe you wait until you really really feel the need for just a little pick me up or you're just waiting for that taste a little later in the day i always recommend people start with water though first thing no matter what how much coffee i drink i always start with what they call your inner bath you know we always take our outer bath but that water first thing in the morning after you've been dehydrated all night sleeping that's the really key thing don't just jump right into a diuretic something like coffee that pulls water more out of your system you want to get some water in before you drink that coffee yeah i've actually got into a routine now where i drink bicarb which is a kind of like a baking soda um it's pretty nasty to drink quite frankly it tastes like you're drinking salt water first thing in the morning and just before i drink it i have to kind of like psych myself up for it for about five seconds and i kind of breathe in and breathe out because the taste is kind of nasty and listeners might be thinking well why the hell do you drink it well um uh to not to get into too much graphic detail but it really cleans you out like i have that bicarb and within 15 20 minutes i'm needing to use the bathroom um at least a couple at least a couple times over the course of 20 minutes or so and again it doesn't sound that pleasant but i'll i'll tell you this like um it really flushes the body of toxins like like any toxins or nastiness that i have in there it's it's just you know i what i understand from reading the literature is that toxins and nastiness and you know acidity latch on to this baking soda and then when it comes out of you it you know it literally just flushes all that those those toxins and acidity out of you is that your understanding as well of you you familiar with this yeah actually i used to do after a run i used to do um sodium bicarbonate with a little bit of apple cider vinegar and water so it make it kind of fizzy almost like an alka cell sort of thing and that's a really good to replenish like a little bit of electrolytes into your body after a run so um yeah actually the benefits of doing some sort of a sea salt or a sodium bicarb like with your water actually gets water more into the cell i know a lot of people that drink water all day and then they're peeing all day too so it's like they're not really keeping hydrated they'll go and get their blood work and their bun creatinine ratios way off or something is showing that they're chronically dehydrated but they drink all this water so something like what you're talking about or taking in a pinch of sea salt and tossing that back before you drink your water can really ensure that you have minerals to take the water into the cell we we have a lot of Celtic sea salt in our place that we put on food but i i must admit i haven't been taking it with water so if before i drink a glass or glasses of water you'd suggest just like putting it in the water or actually just throwing it in my in my mouth you could do either but from what i my understanding is actually there's a naturopath out of australia that i learned this little trick from her name is barbo kneel i don't know if you've heard of her but she's out of australia too and she's all over youtube she's kind of a cool sensation but anyway she recommends taking a pinch of that Celtic sea salt just putting it under your tongue because we have a lingual neural system in our mouth and i actually learned this in my ntp training too where your mouth will tell the cells of your body what's about to come in so that the cells will open up and receive so it's taking in that that sea salt gives kind of that salty taste on your mouth it actually tells your cells hey we have minerals coming in so open up because we're about to get hydrated and we're about to get some minerals that we need so great thank you for that i appreciate that we're talking to joe del fits water and we are talking about health and nutrition and sleep um just before we get into sleep um also if you want to listen to joe del's podcast as a podcast named get fit with joe del it's on youtube and on itunes and joe del interviews all kinds of leading researchers and doctors and experts on health nutrition lifestyle and movement so tell us a little bit about the uh the pat being a paddle athlete a stand-up paddle athlete tell us a little bit about that oh it's um it's my my escape from reality especially right now in the world with all we're dealing with you know nature doesn't require you to wear a mask and the water doesn't require you to wear a mask um it's it's a freedom like when you're out on the water there's just this peace and nature and water is so therapeutic to the human body and so i think i discovered that because in the midst of all that chaos in my life i was talking about earlier i found stand-up paddle boarding and when i did i was like this is what i need i need water therapy every day so i just started paddling i was like the only person on my lake that was doing it when it first came out and then um since then i've gone on to learn how to teach it to others as as a personal trainer and take their workouts to the water and then i traveled kind of around and trained new instructors and was able to do some fun things with rei and do some like outdoor classes on the water and teach kind of big groups of ladies to come out and take their take their body to the water where your board is the machine and your body doesn't need any equipment it just needs movement on top of the water and doing body weight exercises or stretching um at here where i live i do some special tours called step in a cup where we will paddle to a local cafe that's on our lake and we'll have breakfast and then we'll paddle back so it's kind of like a destination paddle everybody loves that because coffee and stand-up paddle boarding really go well together i love that fantastic and uh has your daughter followed you in your footsteps you have a five-year-old i would imagine she's a bit young so far but is she interested in in uh in the paddle boarding she is she has her own and uh just just last year when she was four she learned how to like paddle without me attached to her so i used to attach my her leash to my ankle so she couldn't like the wind couldn't take her away but last year when she was four she paddled for the first time like all on her own just next to me so it was fun to see that oh wonderful um let's just turn our attention to sleep for a moment um uh obviously you're you're wearing the swanese glasses uh at night time uh and daytime i want to just describe your your swanese habits for us oh wow that's a that's a great question because when i was researching sleep and i was kind of understanding how blue light affects the body i came across the need for something after after the sun went down i was like there's got to be something that will help me block you know the light in my home or the tv or my phone and then i came across um swanese and i was just like oh well they're kind of cute too because i can wear them around and um i think i first found you guys at paleo fx and and that's where we kind of connected and that was several years back but immediately and i have another story i'm going to tell you about a client too but immediately the very first night i wore them it like my sleep was like at least 50 improved like i'd been doing all these things you know and my whole supplement regimen in front of me where i had to take all these pills in order to go to sleep because again i was still healing my adrenals i'm taking all this stuff and then that night like at paleo fx i like wore them that night and then that i was like 50 better and then over the next two weeks i eliminated all my supplements like i went from having this whole countertop full of sleep supplements to just wearing my swanese so and my brother did the same thing he had sleep issues as well but the neatest thing i've heard recently because i have it's mandatory when you come have a consult with me i'm going to work on your circadian rhythm and 99 of my clients i'm like well you have to get these glasses so that you can still do your nighttime routine but yeah we're going to make you a little more sleepy um so i have a client that was very difficult to get her off of sleep medication so she'd been on this sleep this lunesta i'm sure you've heard of that sleep medication for years and years and years probably like six years and nothing she'd tried everything nothing would get her off of the need for like to in order to sleep she had to take the pill and then finally after egging her on egging around about the glasses she's like okay i'll try it and so i gave her a pair of mine and i said just you don't even have to buy any at just try mine and like within the first few nights she was like i am sleeping so much better and then she just tried it one night she just didn't take her lunesta and she found that she didn't need it as long as she put the glasses on when the sun went down as soon as the sun went down she was able to completely go off her lunesta and she no longer relies on it at all and she swears by the glasses and so yeah that was that one of the coolest stories was she was really wanting to get off of that and just by putting glasses on she was able to go off of it incredible amazing yeah it's so wonderful to hear those kind of stories isn't it so someone's life can be completely transformed by something so simple but effective that's really what it is i mean if you can get someone sleeping well imagine the possibilities of their life because we all know the nights that we haven't slept well how we feel the next day we don't give good output at work we're we're yelling at our family members you know we're getting in traffic and being agitated and irritated but when you sleep well it's like the clouds are beautiful and your family's beautiful and every everything you do is working well so i mean you really do change people's lives james with just by creating glasses i mean it sounds simple but it's something that does affect people on a wellness level so that's a beautiful thing thank you and your five year old daughter um are you instilling good sleep practices in her does she wear a pair of swanis is it challenging to get her to wear a pair is it easy is it now part of her routine like how how have you introduced both swanis blue light blocking glasses and you know sound sleep practices into her life uh sure yeah she's very um impressionable because when i explain things to her i'm not want to i always told myself i wouldn't be like what my mom was who's just said because i said so like when they ask me to do something it's because i said but no with her i try to explain everything so i'll say you know mommy's gonna put on these glasses because i want to be able to sleep really good so i'm a nice mommy tomorrow and i'm not yelling at you or you know getting on to you for no reason or whatever and so i'll explain that to her and say you know if you wear these you'll have more energy to play you'll go outside and it'll be a happy day or you'll get your schoolwork done because we homeschool and you'll feel good doing it you won't be sleepy and so i think if you explain it to the kids and and you know let them explore it a little bit just put the glasses on the table and then number one be the example wear them as soon as the sun goes down you put them on and then it's easy for the kids to also follow soup because they're gonna see you and they're gonna well i want to do that so yeah it was not hard for me at all because i took the time to explain to her how they would help her and then i also imitated that for her to see and now after the sun goes down she's like where's my blue blockers and like we can't we can't go anywhere without him in fact one night we were going to a meeting that was late and we forgot them and she got there and she's like but what about my circadian rhythm so like she's just she as most kids are very impressionable if you take the time to explain things yeah i love that um how do you balance other areas of your life like how do you you find the right balance between work between play between being a mother getting great night's sleep being intentional feeling calm like just you know what's the approach that you take to bring all of those elements together oh that's a good question you know because i wasn't always that way like i said there was a time in my life when i would consider myself very unbalanced and i would say that my health issues actually were the best thing that happened to me because it forced me to look at my life and go again way out of balance way too many irons in the fire and way too many like things that i think i should be doing that are really not necessary so i i i think when we especially in this time in the world the way things are going if we just kind of take a step back and be okay with saying no to some things and then also making a list of maybe the four most important things that are a priority in your life you know your family maybe your spirituality your how you affect the world through your career and then also your health because you can't do any of those three without your health in check you know so if it's something like that then you can really go okay if it doesn't fit into any of these four things then i really need to eliminate it and and then be honest and and tell people that you love i'm not doing this i'm not letting go of these things to hurt anyone or to cause problems but i want to be the best i can for all of you whether it's your co-workers or your family or whatever and that way um you can you can find balance because that's what we're all looking for anyway we're all looking for a balanced approach with nutrition a balanced approach with our workouts a balanced approach in our work life and i think when you when you prioritize which one of those in your life are the things you want to do instead of doing all these random workouts dial in the one that makes you the happiest because you shouldn't be doing anything else that stresses you anyway you know and if it's instead of trying all these different diets and dogmas that are out there about nutrition eat the foods that love you back if you're eating a food and it makes you feel bloated then don't eat it your body doesn't need that food so you wouldn't be in a relationship with someone that doesn't love you back so don't eat any foods that don't love you back right so and then ask your family what do you need more of me you know where am i slacking am i giving you enough of my time and they'll tell you what you need to let go of so i think that's that's how you find the balance is really taking time to step back and reevaluate every so often because like you said with the coffee even with coffee it's easy to get out of hand and i think that's a metaphor for our life too and just finally uh you take outdoor cold showers so tell me how you do that and what are the benefits of cold showers yeah so one thing that i've learned in life is that we've become too kind of dependent on our modern living um so we you know if we didn't have water heaters way back in the day you just bathed in the creek or you took a cold shower because there wasn't a water heater in your indoor plumbing in your home and um i like to look back at old books like i love reading old nutrition manuals not the new ones um so one of them i had read was called return to nature and it was from 1903 and the gentleman was talking about the fact that one of the best things you could do for your system your nervous system was to be to take cold baths and to be in sunlight as well um to take sun and light air baths i guess he would call it so he wanted your whole body exposed we don't do that like we go get a suntan but we've got a swimsuit on our shorts and a t-shirt when we're outside we really need to expose our whole body so my husband humors me in a lot of things because he thinks i'm a crazy weirdo but he he went along with the idea that i wanted to build an outdoor um shower if you will or basically i called it like my little sun hut where i could just have my space and i could you know not have any clothing on and i could go out there and take a shower or just stand in the sunlight and not have to worry about we don't really have neighbors but like if the neighbors could drive by or something it's a little sun hut behind my house so anyway um yeah so i just attached the hose back there so it's freezing cold water that comes up from our well and that's how i take shower and so i'm barefoot on the ground outside i don't have like you know stepping stones or anything i just want the ground and it's just the way that i think the human body benefits the most it's that cold thermogenesis that helps the mitochondria of your cells the little energy factories of your cells but you're also getting the sunlight and the good UV rays that affect the mitochondria as well and grounded when your feet are connected to the earth you're also getting that good resonance that the earth creates which is 7.83 hertz and your alpha brain waves are also 7.83 hertz which is why you feel so good when you're barefoot in a on a grassy knoll or by the ocean so coupling all those things together really makes me feel like i can discharge at the end of the day all of this emf electrical energy and the blue light that we're exposed to i can just stand on the earth take a cold shower and then get some sunlight on my skin as well yeah i love that i take uh i start with warm showers but i always finish with cold so i'll start with warm um and then in the last 30 seconds to a minute i'll just go cold we even if it's in the middle of winter and i found that's been beneficial it may not be as beneficial as just getting in right at the beginning when it's cold but um it's it's it's like oh as soon as that cold water hits it's like wow it's like a cup of coffee in the shower right well joe del thank you so much for your time so i appreciate you sharing so much of your guidance and your um and your support and just a glimpse into how you live your life just a reminder to our listeners if you go to get fit with joe del dot com um you can find uh find joe del there she also has a podcast which is called get fit with joe del which is available on youtube and on itunes you can find her on youtube at joe del fit that's j o d e l l e fit um and uh thank you so much for being such a big proponent and supporter of swanis thank you to you to your lovely daughter as well for posing in some of those swanis uh at times as well we appreciate we appreciate that very much and um yeah we just so appreciate you're here at swanik oh thank you so much james i appreciate you guys too your your big asset in what i like to promote i only promote things i believe in and i really believe in swanis


Internal Revenue Service IRS Tax News. IRS continues with dirty dozen this week, urging taxpayers to continue watching out for pandemic-related scams, including theft of benefits and bogus social security posts. The dirty dozen.  And I'm telling you, if they just took a shower once in a while, they wouldn't need all this tax scammed stuff, because if they were clean or slightly just a little less odorous, somebody would hire them. They just need to start hanging out with some clean cats. Although cats aren't all that clean either, their idea of a bath being a tongue licking, and from personal experience, I can tell you my last tongue bath, although admittedly pleasurable, did not leave me feeling at all clean. But even though clean cats are not all that clean either, there's still a step up from the dirty dozen. That's what I'm talking about. Anyway, let's get on with the news here. IR 2022-117 June 6th, 2022 Washington, the Internal Revenue Service today kicked off the week with its fifth item on its 2022 annual dirty dozen scams warning list with a sad reminder that criminals still use the COVID-19 pandemic to steal people's money and identity with bogus emails, social security posts, and unexpected phone calls, among other things. Obviously this is the case because there's a lot of money that went out with relation to the COVID-19, making people's personal identity a more valuable item to the dirty dozen out there doing dirty deeds and trying to steal people's identity, possibly to get a piece of all the money that's coming out related to the COVID-19, and so on and so forth. So these scams can take a variety of forms, including using unemployment information and fake job offers to steal money and information from people. All of these efforts can lead to sensitive personal information being stolen with scammers using this to try filing a fraudulent tax return as well as harming victims in other ways. So in other words, we always had this kind of situation where people try to steal people's identity, right? That's what all the big social media companies do, right? That's what Facebook is even doing, right? They're stealing all your information. But if they get the information related to the taxes, they could try to file tax returns. That was not as big an issue before because you didn't have as many of these kind of refundable credits and these advanced child tax credit refundable credits, the earned income tax credits, which are significant these days plus the stimulus payments and all that kind of stuff. So now that those things are larger, obviously the identity theft and identity theft targeting possibly even lower income individuals which might be the most vulnerable to it become more valuable. And you would think that clearly just given the dynamics of the economy that you're gonna get more of this kind of scamming is gonna be the results. We gotta be more vigilant about it. So quote, scammers continue using the pandemic as a device to scare or confuse potential victims into handing over their hard-earned money or personal information. End quote, said IRS commissioner Chuck Redick. Quote, I urge everyone to be leery of suspicious calls, texts and emails, promising benefits that don't exist. Now this is one of the issues also that comes into play when we don't have like consistency. Obviously the pandemic and the response to it meant that we did a lot of changes to things on the tax code to help to deal with that including stimulus payments and adjustments to the tax law and this kind of stuff. But those kind of changes also make it a little bit more uncertain as well. So if you get a call these days and saying, well, there's a stimulus payment from the IRS or something like that that we just came up with last week and they're mailing it out or something you're more likely these days to say, oh, maybe that's true, right? So it's a little bit easier for again, the scammers to come up with scams which a few years ago would be implausible which these couple years because of the uncertainty around the pandemic and our responses trying to help out with the pandemic make things less clear. So that's a good area for scammers. The IRS has compiled the annual dirty dozen list for more than 20 years as a way of alerting taxpayers and the tax professional community about scams and schemes. The list is not a legal document or a literal listing of agency enforcement priorities. It is designed to raise awareness among a variety of audiences that may not always be aware of developments involving tax administration, caution and awareness are our best lines of defense against these crimes, end quote, Reddit said, quote, everyone should verify information on a trusted government website such as irs.gov, end quote, irs.gov. So basically, obviously if you get an email or a text message or something like that, what you would like to do, all these scams are kind of similar. They're gonna have obviously some kind of deception involved in it. They're usually gonna be trying to get information possibly leads you to another website and they're usually gonna have an element of urgency act now because we need your information or the IRS is gonna do something that they wouldn't normally do something bad or you're gonna miss out on possible money that you could have gotten anyways. So what you wanna do is go directly to the IRS website, not through a link generally by going to the IRS website, which takes more time. And that's why obviously scammers, you know, prey on the idea that they're gonna have this rush kind of factor involved act now kind of thing, sense of urgencies. But if you go to the IRS website directly, that's the suggested way to go. So a common scam the IRS continues to see during this period involves using crisis that affect all or most people in the nation such as the COVID-19 pandemic. Some of the scams for which people should continue to be on the lookout include. Obviously, if you have the pandemic, you can kind of shotgun. That's when they can use kind of the shotgun approach, meaning they have a scatter shot. They're spreading the shot out to everybody because there's a whole lot of people that are gonna be impacted by some pandemic that's nationwide, which is a technique that you can use for this big wide net kind of strategy as opposed to targeting one individual kind of thing oftentimes. So economic impact payments and tax refund scams. Identity thieves who try to use economic impact payments, these is the EIPs, also known as stimulus payments are a continuing threat to individuals similar to tax refund scams. Taxpayers should watch out for these telltale signs of a scam. Any text messages, random incoming phone calls or emails inquiring about bank account information requesting recipients to click a link or verify data should be considered suspicious and deleted without opening. These includes not just stimulus payments but all tax refunds and other common issues. So if they're asking obviously for your banking information or something like that, then that's not generally good. You don't wanna be given that there. So you'd wanna go to the IRS website directly and kind of see if you can go from a source that you trust first as opposed to the email of the text messages. Remember the IRS won't initiate contact by phone, email, text or social media asking for the social security numbers or other personal or financial information related to the economic impact payments. So if you get a tweet or something like that could you give us our bank account in a tweet? Then, then, no, I'm not gonna, I'm not gonna do it this time. I'm gonna, okay. Also be alert the mailbox stuff. Routinely check your mail and report suspicious mail looses to personal inspectors. So any mail losses to the inspectors. Reminder, the IRS has issued all economic impact payments. So they had the three rounds of the economic impact payments. It looks like they're turning off the tap at this point given the fact that we got inflation kicking in here. So there's a lot of pressure not to be continuing the spending at this point in time. So you would think that they might have to stop with the stimulus payments to you, but we'll see you. So most eligible people already received their stimulus payments. People who are missing a stimulus payment or got less than a full amount may be eligible to claim a recovery rebate credit on their 2020 or 2020 federal tax return. So if you didn't get the economic impact payments, then you wanna get those because that is part of the reason that we're gonna be experiencing inflation for some time at least into the future, which is gonna be a form of tax. So you might as well have the good side of it, which was the money that they spewed out for a long period of time. And because you're gonna experience the downside, which is everything is gonna cost more, at least in part because of multiple factors. But in any case, get the money. So taxpayers should remember that the IRS website, irs.gov is the agency's official website for information on payments, refunds, and other tax information. Unemployment fraud leading to inaccurate taxpayer 1099 Gs. Because of the pandemic, many taxpayers lost their jobs and received unemployment compensation from their state. So now you've got money coming out from unemployment because people are due the unemployment. That's another opportunity because this is something that people aren't normally dealing with. Most people don't have dealing with unemployment all the time. So more eligible ability for state programs to be giving out money for people's identity that have a ability to get the money possibly if they were to file for it is another area for scammers to start their scamming.  However, scammers also took advantage of the pandemic by filing fraudulent claims for unemployment compensation. So I thought only, anyways, using stolen personal information of individuals who had not filed claims, payments made on these fraudulent claims went to the identity thieves. Taxpayers should also be on the lookout for a form 1099 G. So that's a form you can take a look at at the IRS website. There's a link to that here. Reporting unemployment compensation they didn't receive. So what's gonna happen if someone steals your money from unemployment, you get laid off, you don't file for unemployment because you don't need it or I don't know, you don't file.  And so then they get the money that you would have gotten which you might say, well, it's not a big deal because I didn't need it anyway. But then you're gonna have to get the 1099 G which means you'd have to report it as income. And then you'd be paying taxes on the benefits that you didn't get that someone else got on your behalf.  So for people in this situation, the IRS urges them to contact their appropriate state agency for a corrected form. So what do you do in that case? Well, you gotta talk to the state itself to correct the 1099 because you got two issues. One is that the state paid money to the wrong person which doesn't really affect you directly except that now it looks like you filed for unemployment which it didn't. And then you also got to pay taxes on it if you got a 1099 which is a federal issue on the federal government side of things. You can't fix it on the federal government side of things. You gotta go to the state generally. That's the first place you'd like to go to tell them to fix the 1099 so that the IRS doesn't think that you got the unemployment because you didn't get the unemployment because they sent the unemployment out to sub dirty doesn't deed doer dude or do that. So in any case, if a corrected form cannot be obtained so that a taxpayer can file a timely tax return, taxpayers should complete the return claiming only the unemployment compensation and other income they actually received. See identity theft and unemployment benefits for tax details and dol.gov forward slash fraud. There's links to those items here for state by state reporting information. Fake employment offers posted on social media. There have been many reports of fake postings on social media. Amazing. Are you kidding me? Fake postings on social media? That's unbelievable. The pandemic created, I think most of them are done by the press. But in any case, the pandemic created many newly unemployed people eager to seek new employment. These fake posts entice their victims to provide their personal financial information. This creates added tax risk for people because this information in turn can be used to file fraudulent tax return for a fraudulent refund or used in some other criminal endeavor. So again, that fraud that information which could include like what you need for your filing your tax return, social security name, address and so forth. Fairly basic information to file a tax return used to not be quite as valuable before the fact that now you got all these refundable credits. So if you could file a tax return even if you don't claim any income or claim a little bit of income you might get a significant amount of money with regards to these refundable credits in place which again of course increases the incentive for fraud that people will try to be getting this information to file fraudulent tax returns. So now we've got to be more on the lookout looking out for fake charities that steal your money the fake or bogus charities. So bogus charities are always the problems. So all charities are profit seeking anyways. I don't know what that, there's some good charities out there but you got to do your homework on the charities in any case just because they're a charity doesn't mean they're doing efficient good work out there people. They tend to be bigger threat than there is a national crisis like a pandemic. So obviously if there's a pandemic those fake charities step up and use that those dirty dozen step in and start their deeds of dirtiness. Taxpayers who give money or goods to a charity may be able to claim a deduction on their federal tax return. Taxpayers must donate to a qualified charity to get a deduction to check the status of a charity use the IRS tax exempt organization search tool. So if someone's asking you for money from a charity first of all, if they're pressuring you in any way to give them money like in front of other people and stuff like that then I wouldn't give them any money because that's not nice. But if you then you want to do kind of like your research generally and see if they're actually a charitable organization if they are that's a good sign but it still doesn't mean they're a good charitable organization cause they may be run inefficiently meaning all their money is going to salary and so forth and not going to the actual charity because they have no business pressure because they're not in the market to run efficiently. So it's harder to run efficiently as a charity or nonprofit and actually do the thing you're supposed to be doing. So then you want to see if that how efficient they are at running the charity. And if there's a good charitable legit organization running efficiently like a business does run efficiently but given the money to charity that's where the charity dollars should go. Anyways, that's my opinion. Here are some tips to remember about fake charity scams individuals should never let any caller pressure them.  So you just got to say okay, I appreciate it. I'll check you out online and look into it further and hang up on them is the only way to do it. It's rude, it's rude though, it's rude I know but you can't do it. Okay, a legitimate charity will be happy to get a donation at any time. So there's no rush. Donors are encouraged to take time to do the research. Potential donors should ask for fundraiser for the charity's exact name, web address and mailing address so it can be confirmed later. Some dishonest telemarketers use names that sound like large well-known charities and confuse people. So they use names that are kind of similar to a charitable organization's name but aren't the same at all. So be careful of how donation is paid. Donors should not work with charities that ask them to pay by giving numbers from a gift card or by wiring money. So this is always the dead giveaway that you've got a pretty, a scam going. It's kind of funny that it actually gets there. They can be quite good.  One of my family member are dying over in Mexico or something like that, that's horrible. And then you start to say, I'll give them money right now and then they want it with a gift card. You're like, I can send money a hundred million different ways these days and you want it, why do you want a gift card? That seems unusual. That's usually, if someone wants the gift card then that's usually not a good sign because they don't want to track obviously the money. And so all these other ways of paying people that we have these days would be tracking the money in some way, which is what they're trying to avoid, you would think. So that's how scammers ask people to pay. So it's safest to pay by credit card and only after having done some research on the charity. So you're gonna say, I wanna know where my money went. I wanna have the track record that I bailed out as family member in Mexico or something like that so I can have the proof and hang it over their head every time we have a family reunion or anyways. So for more information about avoiding fake charities, visit the Federal Trade Commission website. There's a link to that. There's links to all this other stuff here that you can take a look at. There'll be a link to this in the description.


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So Gaffer, looking ahead to our Johnson paint trophy match with Oldham Athletic this Tuesday, as far as first and foremost, it's viewed as an opportunity to try and keep our recent winning fort and going. Yes, keeping standards high, I think, whether it's Leeds United, whether it's a league game, whether it's Oldham and the Johnson paint trophy, we've set high standards recently and we want to maintain them and if that's good enough to get us through, then that would be great. I think it's a competition in the first few rounds, it is always quite low key, the crowds are always fairly low, but as you progress, if you can, you know, the excitement built and definitely never underestimate the opportunity to play at Wembley and we did it a couple of years ago twice and this is a competition realistically. For clubs at our level, it is the best chance to get back there. And we talk of winning runs, but Pona's old and got the first win of the season on Saturday, so are you expecting another challenging game from that? It's a great win, but after the game watched, we've got a DVD of it, I'll have a look at it this afternoon. And they're a decent side, they've been in and around this division for a long time, we've got some good players, a bit of a different start of the season, but they'll be buoyed by that win at the weekend and we know to get through, we'll have to play very well. And obviously we talk about winning wins and trying to win the game, but is it also a chance to not weaken the side, but certainly to have a look at different players within the squad? Well, there's a few players, Gary Liddle in particular, who played Saturday and by rights, we did take a risk with him. It wasn't until we were on the coach, travelling across to Rochdale, we decided to play him. So he's definitely going to be out tomorrow and there's one or two other bumps and bruises. There's a few players in the squad who deserve an opportunity tomorrow and need it in terms of the match fitness. And I said at the start of the season by the time the end of this run of games has gone through that we want to make sure that everybody has got enough 90 minutes under the belt, so they're really strong for what is the main part of the season.


Good morning everyone and welcome to one of our monthly new member zooms. I'm Betsy co. I'm zooming from Chicago land in Illinois and my co host with me today is Hillary Gadsby who's coming from Wales this morning her afternoon. I've been on week I've been doing these sessions for about a year. And my back my own personal background is as a teacher music teacher. And of course when we went into lockdown. All of us teachers had to learn how to teach remotely online. So that's how I got comfortable with with doing this sort of thing and thought that it would be a really nice crossover to helping people on wiki tree just the idea of being able to have a conversation in real time, even though discord and messaging is great and very, very instant, but there's, in some ways, there's nothing like being able to talk face to face and screen share, and do make changes in in real time and be sure that we're talking about the same thing. It's, it's called for new members but it's, it's really for anyone who has questions, we say new and newish members, and just with the goal of helping everybody, you know, do what they want to do on wiki tree. So my where I spend time on wiki tree is, I'm members of the England Wales, Scotland, and Canada projects in terms of research and geography, and I also am a mentor and help a lot with the events. So things like the source of fun and wiki wiki games and our upcoming symposium and wiki tree day. Hilary, I'll let you introduce yourself. Yeah, I've been on wiki tree since 2011. So I was here a long time. I'm one of the greeters. I think I agreed to a lot of the time I've been on wiki tree but there was a period when I wasn't greeting. I'm also a mentor and I'm a project coordinator for both the England and Wales projects. I also get involved with quite a lot of the challenges at the moment. I'm involved with the rock challenge, which I know Betsy's involved with as well. We're working on some other members trees, which is quite quite interesting and exciting when you make a connection. Right, yes, if you haven't heard about rock. It's an acronym standing for random acts of wiki tree kindness. And this is the fourth one we've done we did March, June, August and yep now October, and people get nominated, and then we do a random drawing to pick five everyday wiki tree years, who get the the Royal wiki tree treatment by a team we have almost 60 people working on these people's branches and trying the main goal is to try and raise their cc seven. And I'll be sure to, if you don't know what a cc seven is I'll be sure to point that out on on a profile here today. Okay, merely you were you were so patient and flexible on Thursday I really I wanted to say thank you again for like, allowing us to go whichever way we needed to go that night so what profiles I have your profile open. What, what questions do you have. Where should we look. So, um, you know, my, my, I, my mother was very into genealogy and, you know, from way back when I was a kid, and my mother's side of the family is the English Scottish, you know, line, lots of records, we have, you know, Mormons in our family and there's just a whole lot of documentation. My father, Italian Sicilian. And so not much on that side when it comes to records that's where I hit the dead end so I thought, you know, there's as I just also just some background I almost I tried to write down to focus on the day I realized we have an hour but I think that there were just a sort of a couple of different things. I had been for, you know, probably 2530 years ago, I had bought a copy of family tree maker, and was little by little getting the research my mother had done into family tree maker.  It's just not going anywhere, you know, other than the paper records I still had. And I can't remember when I first heard about wiki tree but I really just didn't try it until recently. And I think I had this idea that it was just going to be a free for all it was open, and then I'm just so impressed by the controls by the the efforts to to maintain the integrity of the data and so on. There's a lot of complexity but it is just energized me to get these records over so in family tree maker I probably have 800 plus records. I have a GEDCOM and that was like sort of the first time I went Oh, they're really quite cautious about this it wasn't just like dump the GEDCOM in there. It's like one record at a time I'm making sure everything's cool and there's not a record already out there. And I have of course found when I, you know, had this tendency to kind of like start with like well let's just kind of start with me and start moving in that direction but then I went, especially on my mother's side where there was a lot of research to. We have Edward Rosson was the secretary of the Massachusetts Bay Colony I thought well surely he'll be in wiki tree and of course he was and then working from Edward Rosson forward. Of course I just found tons of matching records so it was. So that's, that's been sort of like okay and you know I'm learning a lot just by going through that process. I did try and get some of what little I had on my dad's side and my parents are both gone. And, and there's really not a lot of information we have, you know, the before they they got to to America. And so just, you know, I think that my, my primary question was whatever kind of tricks and resources that help find, find the actual records I did find one on one. Great grandparent that I think is good that is from a manifest from a ship that came into New Orleans. Okay, and, and you see my my surname my Italian surname is gazetta. Yeah. Oh the other thing is just that when I realized that I was gazetta 657 I'm like, well there's 656 others out there. Yes, and you know what here's let me show a quick trick that people might not know about if you go to the home page. You locked up I'm afraid Betsy can't hear you. The internet just temporarily. It may just temporarily gone out for some reason. She just when she was ready to give us the big. I'm not sure what she was about to say or otherwise I would carry on with it. A really good trick though. People know about. Yeah. Oh, she's gone out. Thank you. All right. And we're back after my technical difficulties. So let me go back to share screen sharing, and we were talking about finding others of the same surname. So if you go to the homepage. Now normally, we might put in something like that, a wiki tree ID, or you might put in the first and last name, but if I do just a surname. So, like that, it's going to take you to a page like this. And, and pay attention to these quick links up here, because you can sort the sort the people on the list, you can see who active members are. And you can let's see genealogists. So if I do that, these are the people who you who are wiki tree members and you might want to reach out to them. So, yep, and you are the number one contributor. Let's see what else is handy. Let's see the Gazeta profiles that are orphaned, which means that they have no profile manager. And then in that case, supposing you see someone and you say, that's my ancestor it's an orphan profile, then like that. Yep, then you can go and you can adopt the profile. Just click on adopt this profile. And then you will become the profile manager. I imagine that a lot of, you know, is I'm just a beginner genealogist, other than, you know what I have gleaned through my mother and through my use of family tree maker. But when it comes to trying to find records actually once you get back to Italy. Is it pretty much just going to a church and finding church records or town records or, you know, what kind of not necessarily are you, you're not a member of any of the projects are you not yet, but yet. Okay, well let's because all right as soon as you said Italy and Sicily I thought Italy project. Let me show everybody under the find menu. You can go to projects. And there are many kinds of projects geographical being the most popular, but not always. So let's find Italy. This is a very active project. And I know they would be very responsive. So here's their free base page. Okay. Yep. And if you I mean you can look into joining the project all you have to do is is post an answer on this G to G post. But if you're if you feel like that's too big a commitment right now. So why don't you just post your question in G to G and tag Italy. Have you done anything in G to G. Not yet, but I've been, I've been trying to read the manuals and stuff and get comfortable with everything. But like, I just as a quick aside to is, I have this just tendency to just be like so private I'm not even a Facebook and stuff, but I love this genealogy thing I love this open thing. And I feel like I can probably even open up my wiki tree better than I have but I've just been like, Oh, I've got everything you know shut down I'm feeling very private. And so I need to get, I need to get over that. I'm glad you mentioned that, at least to. Oh, I lost you. Let's see, let me get you back and see what your privacy level is on mine I've got it shut down to the. Oh, yeah. Okay. To the, the most locked level. Well, maybe I opened it up a little that's right. I, I think that after a month of playing around I went okay I think I can open it up a little bit. And red that danger danger red is the most locked down level. This I think actually is what I have Hillary what do you have. I'm just trying to think now. Let's see what have I got I've got it so that it because you've got you've got to have a certain level of privacy for. If you've got, yeah, I've got, I've got a yellow one because you have to have something but if you've got if you DNA tested you have to have something. I guess we'll show if, if you have it too high the privacy you won't, it won't show your DNA test. Gotcha. And I have DNA test in there, which I'm sorry to jump around but I just like also does that automatically since I've told it it's like okay I had a DNA test done it was done with ancestry. Is there anything further I need to do or does wiki tree automatically sort of like get that information from ancestry. I have to first, first of all, you can't upload DNA to wiki tree. Okay, I think I did read that because I. Yeah, okay so what you want to do is you want to upload your you want to first of all go to ancestry, and you download the, the fight the file to your computer. And I've done that. Yep, and then you're going to upload that to Jed match, Jed match, it's just all together Jed match. And you will get, well here I'm on my page. And we can see here where it says 100% me with myself and sister DNA, and my Jed match kit number is there. And so that's what's going to appear. And so for instance. So here's my second cousin. Now these percentages are just based on the relationship. Theoretically, second cousin should have this much DNA in common. Because remember, in reality, it might be a little bit different, just based on recombination. Yeah. And then, you know, if you have MT DNA or the men if they do why DNA.  And that was enough. So, and I have I also have just at this point while I'm really figuring it out I'm not putting any living relatives into my profile without asking their permission and And then does it is it to any benefit though like if I put in my my brother and sister to get their DNA stuff in there to this is that, you know, to ask them to upload theirs or, I guess it's not. You're saying that this Jed just putting it in the connecting it with Jed matches the is the thing to do that's the next step to do. Yeah, okay. Yeah. Hillary, you have any thoughts on that? Yeah, I suppose the only advantage of having siblings on on there is that obviously they might them they might. I don't know if there's really an advantage with siblings as such obviously cousins there would be because they're going to have matches with other people. Right. Yeah, I mean I've got I've got one cousin match online I think somebody that I'd already knew was a cousin match before I joined wiki tree or or quite a lot some time ago but yeah, it's interesting because when you are trying to look for an unusual thing I have had have had success with matches, a bit more distant matches which is useful. But yeah, because you're you're strictly speaking your siblings should have the same parents so they should go up the tree that's actually the same as you would say. Right, gotcha. So since I mentioned since I recommended posting in G to G, you know and I'm not sure you know for some of you this may be something you've done scores of times but if if not, so you go to the G to G. First of all, does everybody know how to get to G to G. Let's let's take it back even a step. Okay, so under my wiki tree. G to G feed. So it's under those menus at the top are very, very helpful. Then you want to go over here. Ask a question and then think of this is just a headline. So something like in search of my Italian ancestors. I ask you a category. The tree house is just kind of the general Bolton board, but you might merely want might want to pick genealogy help. And there are some links that you can check out previously asked questions. So if you're a question, you know, if it's very specific like, you know, Centoro one, two, three, five, I'm looking for his marriage record in whatever in Sicily, then you would ask it and be as specific as you can. And then this is the important thing is you want to you want to tag Italy. So that the people in the Italian project alert. Okay, that someone has a question and they will get you will get answers I promise. Yeah. So I'm now I'm going to back out of this. How do I back out of it, I guess just, I can't cancel it. So I'm just going to leave the tab. Okay. Did you want to look at a specific profile. Where did I. So, so there's at least there's one in my Italian side that it kind of helps I think to look at it I'm still working on making sure I am. I'm still working on my citations to so yeah. So, a lot of what I have on the Italian side, I realize it's just nothing more than family records and I think just even right now I'm citing that until I can try and confirm stuff but, you know, again, all the people involved are dead you know by the time I really get most active with genealogy everyone that I could talk to is gone. And sometimes I'm not even really sure that I can rely on information to because it becomes sometimes just stories you know family war, family stories, especially on the Italian side. And, and so, and on my Italian side. There is the only one that I said I found this manifest. And, you know, I guess, I guess maybe my question is at this point on the on the Italian side is, and I think with the Italian diaspora. You know, we're just we're the ones that ended up in Los Angeles, you know there's a lot that came through New York I think that that there was at least I think I've made this connection of knowing that that my great grandfather came through New Orleans which was another one of the places that the ship sailed. And it and there is a great, I think some pair of great grandparents that I don't know how they got here. And I don't know if there's anything either that's online or maybe you've already answered it by going like well go to the Italy project and started asking questions, but Well, do you do you want to give us a profile ID or should I look at your watch list or since you've got mine up if you go to my, my, I guess I a lot of times just go to my family tree to see the visual. Well you know what I can't see your family tree because of your privacy level. Oh, darn. Okay. And so, Oh wait, no, I'm sorry I take it back there. There's the button. Very good. So, you can see on the Italian side that I, you know, I've got some great great grandparents in there and I think that was because I had some of the records for the Domenico panel on so my grandmother, my grandmother on the other side. I did have some records but you go to custodial gazetta I believe he's the one that came through New Orleans. So I don't know if I know how Domenico got here so there are a couple of different sort of, you know, don't know but I think I had, you know, you can see how just for sources I just have some gazetta family records and need to. Find that National Archives series maybe there's a better way I could have cited it but that was where I actually found I think that was, you know, during a time I had a free subscription to ancestry some years ago that I found the manifest that actually told me then of which actual vessel and when he actually got to New Orleans. Okay, do you mind if I do well first of all. Let me talk about while there are two ways you can search for further information betting that we could we could give a citation that would be a little more helpful to other people. And so one way to search is through root search. Which is on the lower right hand of every profile, as you can see, it pre fills in everything that you have already put in. And then it gives you a choice. Let's go to family search since there's no paywall there. Okay, now. Does this look right. Yes. Yes, let's take a look, because I noticed you didn't have a death date. Right. Yeah. Oh, now I see. This is not for custodial this is for he is named in the death record. Oh, and I know that Dion is a relative. Yeah. Yeah, well that that tells us that it's correct. But now let's somebody else put Dion in there right. Yeah, yep. So the custodial has his has a family search profile. I bet that's Mike Gazeta when I looked at the people that showed that they were somewhat active Mike was the only one that was a familiar name. Okay. All right, so we have a marriage record. Nice. For for his son, Anthony. That's that's my grandfather. Yeah. Okay. So he's a son. Okay. Deaths did he did. Did he maybe die in his late 80s. Yeah, I think so custodial here he is. Yeah. Father Antonio mother Vita. Josephine was his wife. So June 9 1958. Looks like this is great it has an image and it has an image just as yeah. Okay. Let's see June 1958. Oh that's good because there's also this that some of the research I want to do it said it talks about his employment with Gazeta grocery and I know that in Los in Los Angeles that that my grandfather was a grocer and right right. I'm going to get more, more solid information on that. Yeah, I mean, off the top of my head I was thinking ooh a census or city directory would help you, but this confirms it. So is it okay with you if I add the source to the profile. I would love that. Okay. All right, so I'm going to go back. And the nice thing about family search. Let me go to go to the actual webpage for the record. And now I have this nice little citation that has created for me. And so I'm going to copy it. It's now on my clipboard. So I'm going back to custodial, and we'll edit, and we'll, we'll do this. We have to add an asterisk that creates a bullet point. And let's see what else. So I believe Haskell Avenue was on the death certificate right. Haskell Avenue is in Texas. And so thinking Los Angeles. He did. So I actually did see that he I, that I showed Gazetta and son is the, yeah, the, is the name of the grocer. I went, I went, I did go to, to Main Street in Los Angeles recently kind of over where that grocery was which was. Oh, that's cool to walk those streets. Yeah, that's very meaningful. Let's add now that we know June 1958. And that's certain. And then the death place was, was just Los Angeles. Okay. And that's certain. And then before it will allow you to save a change. Okay, it's going to ask me, well, what did I do. And so I added a source. And I also made changes from a new source, because I added the death record, the death date based on the death record. Right. Which is, oh, and so even though the button, the clicking of the button shifts around, notice that I still have two things. Gotcha. Okay. It puts it into the text. Yeah. And then full save. And there you go. Good. And, and I wonder, did we have anything else helpful in his sources. 10. We looked at about six, I think. There. And death index, death and burial. And here was the. The thing I was curious about, maybe we were, it's right on here is who the profile manager is on this one. Oh, sure. Let's see, let's go back to details. I didn't. I don't know if, if, if family tree profiles always necessarily have. Profile managers. They don't like we do. Yeah. They tend to, they tend to have, they just tend to have the people that have made the last edits on there. So edit, so it may be somebody related. It may not be. Right, right. Because seeing as family searches through the, the Mormon church. And I believe that they have church members who do service work through working on genealogy on the website. Okay. Yeah, I fell into that trap a few times in my early genealogy days where I, I got all excited seeing someone had made a change to an ancestor of mine and I sent them a message and said, how are you related? Are we related? And they said, no, I'm just a volunteer. Yeah, I, I mean, anything like if I'm like I'm working on the rock at the moment. And so I've been building family tree in maybe on family search before I've been creating a profile in wiki tree. So therefore I'm going to have my initials again or my whatever my signing is is going to come up on that. But that doesn't mean to say they're my relatives because I'm working on somebody else's tree. So, right. So if there's no profile manager, I could adopt that profile if I wanted to, or maybe it shows me as the profile manager because I put in a record anyway, that's, that's all role kind of. Yeah, I mean, certainly you are his profile manager. Oh, I already am. I got it wiki tree you are. Yes. Yeah. Now, now here's one thing. And maybe I did see this in that death certificate. Did it show the names of his parents? Yes, it did. Yes. Go back for a second to this. Yeah, and I think it's also important when you're there that should be big enough. Okay. So, Hancock Street was his last place of residence presence. Okay, father Antonio, Guzetta. Okay. Those are all, that's all really cool new information. I'm very excited. Yeah, and you could use this as your source to create their profiles for me. Right. Yeah. May I ask a question here? Of course. I'm just a little cumbersome and I'm just wondering if there's a better way of doing it. So now you have these parents names. And what I'm finding I'm doing is I'm having I write all this information down. And then I go and to add a parent. It just gets complicated. So do you build out the parent on on family search first. So I really only use, I myself use family search to access, you know, free records and get the citations, and, and to get hints. You know, I would never just blindly copy from family search or ancestry or anyway, where without searching the records, but here's what I would do if I were if I were merely and going to build out now to the parents is let's see. Okay, if you're on this page. And this is where we got the citation, but notice that we can click on Antonio. And now the record, which is for custodial is death. It's referencing Antonio as the father. So we could copy that citation, and then use that to create the profile for Antonio. I do great. Thank you. Sure, no problem.  And now you'll see Vita Lonza in entry. I mean it's a minor little thing. If you were to just use the same citation for all three. It would get the person to the right record. But it's just a nice little nuance. But you still then have to enter their, their name, and I put in an approximate age for the parents or marriage because the child was born after. Sure, you still have to put all that stuff in manually or because there is a shortcut where you can get the bio biology information from family search and just plug it in. So if you build it on family tree first, you can just copy and paste all that stuff in to build them. Well, I do when I use saucer, but I use it to bring over some of the data if I've got the data in the in family search. So if I've got things like a birthday and that which I've, which I've checked with and I've know I've got a source for. Then I'll bring that over and then I'll, I'll bring over the sources that are attached to that person provided I'm happy that all the sources that are attached are correct. If I've put all those sources in, then I know they are going to be correct. If somebody else has been involved with it, you need to check that those sources are correct before you do that. Or you, or you need to check if you bring them over, you need to check that when they come into wiki tree that they are what you want. And a lot of that is dependent on making sure you get your with the sources app set up right as well, which can be quite complicated if you're not if you're not used to it. Yeah, and remember I said that there were two ways to find other other sources for a person. One is through root search under research. Now the other requires the saucer app. So you can this is a browser extension you can see I have this little one here. So, and I have that source or app installed. Now if I click on the one app at the top it gives me options to search all a whole bunch of sites. And then, well let's go ahead. I noticed the custodial did have a find a grave site citation. So let's look. Oh, that's interesting. I thought I saw one mentioned on. Oh, I did as well. Does it does it always try and do an exact match because I have seen his name spelled two or three different ways like with a custodial with a U custodial with an O because. Yeah, so yeah, I actually think that the way they have it spelled in there is the one way I have not seen it before within costidio costidio maybe maybe that was the problem. Okay, let's go to find a grave. And so it's always worth checking. Now, if the find a grave entry has a photo, then, then it's much more helpful and valuable than something like this, where you don't have a photo. And, and you can see that he was there, which makes sense. I think my grandparents are there too. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And so let's let's go ahead and just as I'm, I'm going to go ahead and add this. So we're going to build a source citation. It's instantaneous. Okay, so you're in Sorcerer now right. Yeah, yep. Mm hmm. That's a, let me, that's a third party app or that's part of wiki tree. No, it's part of wiki tree. Hillary, would you mind putting the. I'll get the ops. Yeah. So now if I go here, notice I'm not even going to have to add an asterisk. Boop. There it is. Ah, yeah. I'm going to get rid of these BRs just my personal preference that's just a line break. And then we can preview it. So it doesn't, it doesn't, I like it. I like how it makes the, what it is pop. So we've added a source. Now let's see if Calvary Cemetery has has a category. And I'll show you about that. So if we go here, click on that and Calvary Cemetery. Um, maybe just Los Angeles, Los Angeles. Okay. So what that's going to do, so now I've added a source and I've categorized. Now, if I go to his profile, we can see that we've got this category down here. So now we can see that there are 147 wiki wiki tree profiles. People that were buried there. So this might be interesting. Up at the upper right, my connections. Now, of course, that's my connections. So I'm going to change it. To you. Oops, 657, right. I think so. Yeah. Okay.  And then nobody else closer, but, you know, sometimes this can provide some helpful clues. Nice. Nice. Yeah. Any, do you want to protect time, time for. Two other questions we had, but do, do you have other questions fairly? I, I think that I, I, this has just been so great that there's a part of these things like, oh my gosh, I've got so many fun things I want to do. So if I had, let me look at my notes real quick to see if I had anything else and then we can move on. No, I think that that's, I, I, I've already again Thursday and today I've already learned so much. I just feel like each time I go in, I, I keep learning and learning. So this is great. Again, I just have to just say how impressed I am with wiki tree and with the people who also get involved. And I just love that you're doing this. Just love it. Oh, great. Oh, Cindy, thank you for coming. All right. And I'm glad that was helpful. Marilay. This, this is by the way, this is my profile ID. And if something comes up after, after the fact, you know, just send me a message and, and I'll see if I can help. So who, let me stop screen sharing for a second. Dave, you're showing up as Dave Stence, but I'm really Linda. Okay, that makes more sense. Okay. Linda, you had some general questions about sourcing and I, I saw your follow up comment in the chat. Do, has this been helpful? Do you want to ask more? It's been helpful. I don't know if you'd want to look at one of mine. Sure. Let me find his ID real quick. He's Stence. So it's SC ENTZ dash 85. Okay. Does that look right? Yes. Yes. Okay. German 19th century. Okay. Oh, it looks like you're already using sorcerer. Well, Not all of that is mine. Oh, I see. And as Hillary was corresponding back with me. I believe this might be the one where the person.  And then I accidentally somehow Another wiped out a bunch. And I have no idea how I did that. But I know just looking through this. He does have two other children. I believe I have a fight. Let me see. I use family tree maker family search my heritage. So. That's why this is frustrating that it's like, oh, why is this so hard for me? Actually, I've got, I've got a link for Cincinnati Catholic Cemetery Society. As far as his burial. There is. I've got a link. For alien arrival. And I just do not know that that's him. I think that this would be a place. For a research note. So research notes. I'm just, I'm not going to do anything, but I'm just going to go into edit mode. So people. You've got these headings. With the two equal signs on either side. So there's biography. And you've got your sources. And just here's my PSA. Never delete this. And just leave that. I think that may be what I did. And so if you work, well, I, if it's okay with you. I'm just going to add the research notes and then you can add to them. Sure. So then research notes go in between. The, the bio. And. The sources. So just research notes. It's actually the same way. Okay. Now when we. And I'll say. I didn't really do anything substantial. I guess it's a formatting thing. And now. It's ready for you to add. Why, you know, your research notes.  Why, you know, your thoughts about that alien. Entry. Doc. Why you think it might be him why it might not be him. And then I would also recommend that you. After you enter that text.  That's the little swiggly line. I put it in the chat. Okay. Yeah. And that will create a signature. It will, it will say, you know, your wiki tree ID number created this note on October 8, 2023. So the people know, I mean, if it's a very clear cut fact, you don't need to do that. But if it's your theory, you might want to take ownership of it by sort of signing it. Okay. All right. Yeah. I don't do you want to do a little bit of research on him and see he is one of my definite brick walls. I can't figure out how I really got across the pond. In the document that I have, there were only six people on this boat and I know coming across the ocean. That's just impossible.  So, let's see what we can find. Okay. So you think, well, let's see if he's on family search and close a few of these other tabs to this is James that Barbara's question Barbara I have not forgotten you. That's, that's okay. We may not have time today. Okay, so do any of these look what was his name. Well, we believe it was Anton. That's what it was in the United States, whether or not it's really Anthony we don't know. We have a burial record here in Cincinnati who we found a Joseph Stence or Jacob Stence and his death record says that Anton was his father. But his death record says, my thigh Stence was his father. Now, Anton did not marry till he came to the United States that we know of but we are wondering if his wife died in Germany, and he brought Joseph with him but we just don't know. So here's a father and a son, both named Anton. Who do you want to get back I want to be able to look at your profile while we're comparing these Stence 85 born 1833. And so here's a birth on 18 in 1834. And do you does this record already. Let's see what do we already have others unknown. Right, don't know anything about his family other what before he came. I see he served in the Civil War. He registered. I see yeah. Well, let's okay. So, if I think this looks very intriguing. I, from anything I found he was from the Alsace Lorraine area. So I don't know enough about this particular record to tell you. Do you have sorcerer Linda. No, I don't know how to put that on. Okay, well the help page that Hillary put in the chat. Yes. Just go to that, and it will walk you through from from the very first thing like, how do I get it. And then how do I use it. And then let me. There's also so the sorcerer was developed by Rob, Katie, and Rob does an excellence video. And so that drop that in the chat as well. I highly recommend watching that video. Okay, that'll be great. Yeah. Okay, how do I find you all again. Okay, that's great. Yeah, I've already clicked on those and saved them so. Okay, and now if I start sharing again. Yeah, if I go back. Right. Well, I mean, perhaps we won't take time to actually both through the document and, and find him but. And yeah, it sounds like there's some confusion going on with names and some could be middle names. You know, could be the same person or, or not. Yeah, so you, you're, you're wise to do, to do careful questions. Yeah, both me and my husband, the great grandfathers are definite people we can't figure out how they got here. I said they must be illegal aliens because we can't find them. I've been to Salt Lake City. I've been to National Archives and it's like, just nothing is coming to play here so. Yeah, okay. Well, I'll check this one out though. Okay. It seems interesting. Okay. Sure. And Barbara, let's look at, I've got a few minutes left. James Bartlett to, and the question was about the source. I've, I've added some. The information that you see and I'm not sure if that's the correct way to do it. Okay, can I, can I go in and tweak a little bit? Can I edit it? Yes, please. Okay. All right. So, let's see. Okay, good. You left. So we can, we can make all of this look. A little tidier just by adding the bullet points. That'll create the asterisks. The asterisks that will create the.  Yes. And now look, I'm previewing it. And now it already looks like much more tidy. Yes, thank you. And these are all family search links. So these all look good. So your question is about the first one. Yes, because yesterday I, I tried to see. What's on page 130 of that publication. And I couldn't access that publication. Yeah. Washington County, Washington County historical. So all right, let's see what happens if we do this. Washington. Washington County is a very, is very popular. Well, all right, something's coming up. Is it Maryland? No, it's, it's Ohio. Ohio. Here we go. So it sounds like this organization has. A journal. Maybe this is a book Washington County, Ohio. Yes, it is. And, and I, I know that there is. That publication. But when I tried to look at it. From that citation. I couldn't access it. And, and. Well, here it is. Google has a. But, okay. As an accessible. Yeah, it's not on Google books. It might be on internet archive. I mean, there are a couple of these. Google books. No. So I guess it's a really a two part question. One is you would like to be able to see page 130 yourself, right? I'd like to. Yes. The idea. I think is that if you have a citation, you should be able to look at it. And I. Access that. And I wonder if. There's something I don't know about how to find that I did. I did look for it just like you just did. And. And I looked and books. Family search. I couldn't find. That particular publication. I'm not saying it isn't there. I'm just saying that I, I didn't find it. So what. My next step, if I were you would be to give them a call. Or send an email and explain that you're, you're looking for this publication. I'm sure they have copies. And would someone kindly scan page 130 for you. That's what I would do. Hello. Do you have any other ideas? Yeah, because. I'm assuming this website is just their, their front page. I don't know if they've got anything else behind the, their front page for that, that society that might, where you might be able to. It depends where their online resources are. You know, we might have a, might find they've actually got a. Yeah. Doesn't look like they have the book on. Sometimes it's just finding it. Isn't it finding it? Then it may not actually be online or. Yeah. That person may have accessed it at the, at the actual, you know, the societies. Yes. Yeah. And then what you could do is you can create a, I mean the citation. It gives you what you need to know as it is swim. It could be a little, a little more robust. You could include public publisher date and publisher and data publication. And what I'll do is all, but it's fine as it is. It's not clear what they, what exactly that citation is telling you either, you know, it's, it's not linked to a particular piece in the biography. So it's difficult to know what, what exactly that, that page would have told you. So. That was my question. What does that page tell us? Yeah. Cause strictly speaking, in the citation, you should have enough so that it links to a particular thing in the biography so that you know that that, that that's where you got that information from. So that's why we, that's why we prefer in what we call inline citations rather than putting the citations at the bottom. But for new people, it's often easier to just put the citations at the bottom until they get used to knowing how to do the inline citations. So what I put in the chat is a link to a free space page that I have developed over time of just useful things to remember with Wiki code. And it has some things on how to, how to cite a newspaper article, how to cite a book, how to, you know, so, and it's just my version that I think there are many of us who have a similar cheat sheet. So please, please, make use of it if it's helpful for you. And would you remind me how, how I saved the chat? Let's see. How do we save the chat? Probably under, no. Chat. It's usually those three little things at the bottom. I know, but I'm not seeing that. You see, for me, it saves it automatically. I can see the three little dots over at the right. And I thought, oh, wait, I got it. No. I can see the three little dots and then it says save chat above it. So I've clicked on the three little dots, but it doesn't say save chat. But we're host and co-host. Maybe. Oh, no. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. Maybe because I have captions on. Show chat previews. No. Mine also says save chat when I click on the three dots. Okay. But you don't see that Barbara. No, I don't. And I've, I've, I've clicked on it before I asked the question because I thought that would work. And now my question is. Because I have captions on. I've clicked on it before I asked the question. I've clicked on it before I asked the question. Does that affect it? Well, Barbara, what, I mean, I, I know that I will get it. Get the chat saved because it always does it for me. And I can send it to you in a message. Thank you. I'm clicking on the three dots because I thought that's what you did. But I've tried that and it hasn't worked. So I thought, well, I must have forgotten. Yeah. Yeah. You are looking at the three dots in the chat and not on the screen, aren't you? The three dots. That's what I've clicked on. And it's not working for me. Okay. Well, we have a workaround. Okay. One, one other. We're over time. I don't want to. I don't want to delay you. I had, I had one other question, but I'll save it for another time. Okay. Or feel free to send me a, well, I'll cut, we'll be connected when I send you the chat. And then you can send me your question. Okay. Okay. All right. Well, I think we will wrap it up now. Let me, uh, don't go anywhere. I'll stop the recording and I'll say before I, before I stop recording to thank all of you for coming. And to say we will not have new member sessions in November. Due to wiki tree, the wiki tree symposium. And wiki tree day, which is running Thursday, November 2nd to Sunday, November 5th. So, um, I am going to have a session on wiki tree day, which is on the fifth, um, which is going to be for the brand hot off the press wiki tree member and like getting set up with all, you know, the basics so that you can navigate, you know, more easily things like G to G and your profile and filing, following tags, that sort of thing. So I'd love to see some of you there for that. And I'll be available on replay too. And, and then we'll be back as scheduled normally in December. Would you send me the information about when, when that session is for the really new people. Yes. Yeah. And then also, um, I will put this in the chat. Yeah. Um, where's the chat? There we go. Um, this is sort of our clearing house page, the new member Q and A via zoom, uh, free space page. So, um, I try and keep that really up to date and it'll take you to the latest G to G link, the YouTube recordings, when they become available, um, you know, serve a one stop thing. Yeah. Sure. And I will also thank you very much to everyone who's watching afterwards. So, um, we'll sign off now. And stop there. Thanks very much. Thanks.