Hey everybody, it's Eric Johnson from AirTalesRosnation. Today's video, we are gonna talk about what are three things we think that helps Daniel Stahl throw 71, 37 big news, so check it out. Okay guys, so we're back and keeping on kind of this off-season theme, we gotta do to shift gears. COVID obviously crushed everybody's 2020 season. There are some pro meets happening in Europe and there are some huge performances. So Daniel Stahl, big congratulations to Daniel Stahl. He's the second best throw of his career. So congrats to Coach V and Daniel on another great performance. Really exciting, the world lead and again, 71, 37. Massive throw, Stahl looks great and we're gonna talk about again, three things. We talked about three things, to getting you to 70 feet in the shot, breaking those barriers and we're gonna talk about are some of the things that we see in the same way happening with here with Daniel Stahl. How do you get over 70 meters? But how do you start throwing far on a consistent basis and start getting yourself moving? So we're gonna again put things kind of in our context of our six pillar system. We plug Daniel in, again, the system is designed to teach you how to see and understand the throw to learn and find the things that are gonna work and help you get better faster. So here we go, let's take a look.  So this is a guy that's probably what, he's right about six, eight and he weighs 340 pounds or so. So just a giant man. Again, I think one of the things that goes on here, what trumps everything, Stahl is rockin' like a beard. But in all seriousness, one of the things we look at is he's a big guy and he maximizes those levers. So look at the length that gets set up. You see how he's gonna wind, set that position and then you're gonna see that same length from here to here. You see how he's maintaining that length. So we always talk about in our system we want a long setup, so we're gonna have a long entry. And this is all part of getting on balance. Notice that length, that's a great counterbalance. When you see the left arm counterbalancing the discus he's gonna be setting up a really nice radius and he's setting up a really nice orbit. So you see that high point here and you notice that as he comes along we talk about this. The first pillar we talk about setting up. The second pillar we talk about is setting up maximum power. That's getting the axis to rotate around and so the thrower can drive into the throw. And this is one of the things that clearly Stahl does extremely well. And if you notice with Coach Vestin's athletes they all have a similar looking technique. Again, I think that's the thing. Coach V has a system. So you're gonna notice when you look at any kind of coach, they're gonna have a system. All coaches have a system. One of the things that I think Coach V talks about is keeping level shoulders and level hips. And you can see that Stahl does that very well and then he's gonna be able to move around that axis. Again, we call that pillar two. We set and then pillar three is dropping in. You're gonna notice that Stahl really does create that nice sprint. He's really moving in. And you notice again our two level lines of these guys staying here. You're gonna notice that shoulders and hips again are pretty level. What's the key of all this? How do we simplify it? We've gotta get on balance. So we set up our start. This is one of the things we talked about and we get on balance. So once we get on balance, now speed is able to be created because now you can actually come out of that. Imagine a sprinter coming out of the box and if he's leaning to the side, he's gonna be stumbling. He can't be efficient in that linear motion forward. If the hips are going this way and they're trying to go this way, you're not gonna be able to create a sprint. That's the same thing in the rotational throws. The hips have to be moving in that linear position to the center of the circle. So you're gonna notice that here. One of the things that we've seemed to think that looks a little different is Stahl has, in my opinion, on this throw, he has a little bit wider sweep than he has had in some of his previous years. And I think this looks exciting because this to me looks like he's throwing huge throws really effortlessly. He's banging 68 meters, 69 meters, 70. This is a second time over 70 meters this year. He just the next day after this 71 meter throw, the very next day within 24 hours, basically throws 69 meters and rumor has it that there was a foul over 70 as well. So a slight foot foul. So this guy's on fire throwing extremely well and it's gonna be really exciting. So the point is here is as he comes to the sprint, you're gonna see that once you create that linear motion and you're able to create speed and everything's moving efficiently, you're gonna notice that Stahl is able to how this, his sprint slash block leg. You notice how as the foot touches down, look at how much the left is with him. A lot of times there's something we call the back in where you see young throwers and you'll see young throwers and what they'll do is they're gonna back in. So they're kind of turning one side and they're leaving the leg back. They're not moving the whole system of the hips. And that's one of the things again, having met and gotten the opportunity to speak to Coach V about how they kind of train. He's looking at that level hip and shoulder position, something we've included in our system, you know, that we've taught for a lot of years as well, but just using different vernacular. I think Coach V's is very easy, you know, concept to grasp makes total sense. But if you don't set up this position here correctly, that's gonna be very difficult to maintain level because if the hips are falling across the circle, then you're gonna have the athlete, you're gonna have diverging force and you need converging energy in the throw. And that's what creates speed.  You're gonna see everything pretty level. Notice that length again that we saw in the beginning of the throw. He's maintaining that throughout the throw.  We talked about this with Valerie Allman and you see here's that 70 meter.  So this is gonna enable everything, how we get that vertical axis so that we can generate power. We call this pillar five and this is now he's creating blazing speed. Now he's gonna be able to rotate and take the throw out. And again, you're gonna see the block arm is, see it's long, it stops. He's gonna have the shoulder stop, the block stop here and then everything is moving out and around and he's creating that really nice long path. You see that discus is right on the tip of that arrow. So the keys again, how's he get there? This is our opinion. Again, what we're looking at is this is a tremendous throw. We're not trying to say, oh, he should do this or he should do that. We're trying to say, we think this is what they're doing. These are the key biomechanical points. You see these are good looking positions, why they're happening and generally that's gonna be the most important thing as you're a developing thrower to understand a lot of these core things. How are you gonna get on balance? How are you gonna create speed? When those things happen in your balance, you're gonna be able to come through and typically smash the delivery and that's what you're seeing pretty consistently. We saw he's throwing these big throws week in and week out and it's really cool to see. So that's our kind of our rundown. Again, huge congrats to Daniel and Coach V and Global Throwing. And again, with a year where we've had such limited competitions to watch and everybody lost seasons, it's really a nice relief to get some of these types of results and see these things happening and really excited when the season can get back to normal. Congrats to those guys. Hopefully you guys enjoyed this video. Be sure to give us a thumbs up, comment below, share this video to give it a little love out there and we will see you guys on the next video.


Hello, everyone. We're about to get started. So if you are coming to this session, you should come join us now. People are filtering in. Great. All right, hello. My name is Michael White, and this is Amir Taki. And we are doing a session on crypto for activism. I want to explain first the format that we're going to do. It's going to be a little bit more interactive than some of the sessions that you've had so far. So I'm going to give a 10 minute brief introduction to some ideas about activism and crypto. Then Amir and I are going to have a on-stage discussion for about 20 minutes, and then we're going to have questions from the audience. And so while we're talking, think of your question and then line up with this mic, and we'll just kind of go into a free flowing discussion. I also have copies of my book for free. At the end of my talk, just go grab them over there. They're in a stack. There's about 20 copies, so first come, first serve. OK, are we ready? Great. OK, so my name is Michael White. Briefly, I just want to tell you my kind of story to situate myself and my context. I am a lifelong activist. I started doing activism when I was 13 years old. And I did lots of things. I went to Palestine, did direct action non-violence. I basically tried to just, every year I did a new kind of campaign. Eventually, I worked my way into a magazine called Adbusters. And in 2011, during the kind of peak of the Arab Spring, we put out a call for something called Occupy Wall Street. And very quickly, the call was picked up by activists in New York City who started to self-organize. And they went ahead and created basically the movement. So I'm one of two people who came up with the original idea for Occupy Wall Street. We picked the name, the date, and that kind of stuff. And then there's about 200 people in New York City who actually organized for the very first day of the movement. But I've also been kind of lurking in the crypto scene for a long time. Because around the time that we were coming with the idea for Occupy Wall Street, Bitcoin was very new. I was paying attention to Bitcoin. I was an early kind of adopter of Bitcoin. I got my first five Bitcoin for free from the Bitcoin faucet. And so I've been in the scene for a while. I remember when counterparty versus Ethereum, I remember the first Ethereum announcement and that kind of stuff. And so it was just kind of recently they started to come out of the crypto closet as a word and to talk about cryptocurrencies and activism. And recently, when I was invited to give this talk, I actually went ahead and learned solidity. So I have a basic understanding of solidity to give more depth to this conversation. All right. So let's get into it. So one of the things that I think is a very tantalizing question is that we know that Satoshi embedded a reference to the financial crisis in the source code for Bitcoin. So one question I've been thinking about is, in some ways, is Bitcoin a better form of protest than Occupy Wall Street? Which of those things was a more effective response to the financial crisis? Bitcoin or Occupy Wall Street? And as we kind of think about in our minds, I want to point to some of the ways that activists can think about how to use blockchain for activism. So if you're an activist and you want to use blockchain, what are some of the models or ways of thinking about how to do activism on the blockchain? So we're going to get into that now. So there's basically four models that I want to think about. They are new economic logics, new funding mechanisms, new social contracts or governance, and adversarial smart contracts. So let's go through those one by one. So new economic logics. I think we've seen a lot of these, right? So it's very easy and solidity to create programmable money that violates core concepts of capitalist economy. So you can have, for example, deflationary tokens, extremely easy to burn a certain percentage of tokens upon transfer. You can have like sortition tokens where people are rewarded randomly based on the health of the economy. So this is like shuffle monster, came out recently. Or you can have redistributive tokens. You can have tokens that implement like a Tobin tax or a financial tax, which is something that has been talked about in the left for like 30 or 40 years, but only with I think the emergence of Ethereum is actually possible to encode. So there's some problems though with economic logics. The first is that activists are not writing smart contracts to a blank slate, right? Ethereum is still the base currency. Even if you just look at like the gas costs, you still have to pay in Ethereum. So you're still basically inheriting an economic logic from Ethereum that itself might be unfair. It's hard to enact progressive policies that rely on knowing who is rich and who is poor, right? We know this is a problem. So obviously you can split if you're a wealthy Ethereum holder, you can split your wallet into many different wallets to appear like many different poor people to benefit unfairly from a progressive system. And this is the problem of identity that a lot of people are talking about how to solve. So it's very easy to appear poor in Ethereum and only the rich can really prove that they're rich, but anyone can like pretend to be poor. This makes a lot of the kind of leftist policies very difficult to implement. The third problem is that the most popular economic logics have turned out to be basically Ponzi schemes, right? So this has left a lot of people in the community very jaded about the idea of creating like redistributive currencies. So I created a very simple redistributive currency called Sparkle. And one of the first reactions was this is like proof of weak hands. You know what I mean? This is basically a Ponzi scheme, which I thought was very interesting. I didn't think it was evident as a Ponzi scheme, but I think that what that's saying is there's a basically a jadedness about new economic logics. Still, I think they're very promising. Okay, let's go on to the next one. The second area of kind of possibility is new funding mechanisms, right? So within the activist community, there's a growing sense that we need to escape the dominance on risk averse philanthropic or organizations and foundations, right? That we need to escape the nonprofit industrial complex if you ever heard that phrase within activism. And I think that Ethereum presents some interesting possibilities. So two examples. We have like our die, if you guys have been following this. So it's basically, it's like C die, but instead of earning the interest, you're able to identify a beneficiary of the interest, right? So you can deposit your die and then you can withdraw it any time but the beneficiary gets to keep the interest. So this is a simple example of how you could have, you could basically have people stake large amounts of money and then interest is given to a nonprofit that they support. The other one, of course, is really promoted by Vitalik and others is quadratic funding. So the point here is that basically we can create new ways of movements funding themselves on the blockchain. And so my proposal in this category would be something like movement coins or protest coins, coins whose existence is to fund social movements and I would love to think about that with you. Okay, moving on to the third thing and then we'll get into our discussion. The third category is new social contracts, new forms of governance. So activists, especially within Occupy Wall Street, we talked about creating a real democracy, consensus-based assemblies and all these kinds of collective decision-making. But when we tried to enact it in the real world through our assemblies, obviously it collapsed. Like we weren't even able to make the simplest of decisions. But within Ethereum, there's been a lot of work around these decentralized autonomous organizations. We have the Yang, Dao, Malik, Dao, MetaCartel, Aragon, et cetera. Here though, I think we've started to learn that just because you have a Dao, it doesn't immediately eradicate power imbalances nor does it necessarily mean that decision-making is more equally distributed. So there's been a lot of questioning about, for example, not to pick it on anyone, but the concentration of decision-making within the maker stability fee or something like that. This is an example of how, just because you enact a Dao doesn't mean you're necessarily creating a more democratic or a liberatory form of decision-making distribution of power. But here, I think there's still tantalizing possibilities and I'm personally really interested in the emergence of sortition-based decision-making where people within a community are randomly picked in order to make decisions. This gets back to the problem of identity and how do you identify people. But there's something called humanity Dao that's trying to verify individuals, to verify humans. So I could imagine a system where you tie up with humanity Dao in order to enact sortition-based decision-making. And then the fourth kind of category that I wanna think about before we get into our discussion is adversarial contracts. And this, I think, is the most exciting and the most purely and essentially activist way of thinking about cryptocurrency. And so I mean adversarial in two senses. First, adversarial contracts are ones that are inherently in themselves a form of protest. So under this category, you might think about privacy coins. Privacy coins might be conceived of as inherently a form of protest against the existing status quo. And the second kind of form of adversarial would be adversarial in the sense that we're learning about in that we're seeing develop in machine learning. So people have developed certain objects that like there's like a 3D printed turtle that appears to a machine like it's a gun. So this is an adversarial, this is another concept of adversarial. So under this, you would think about smart contracts that interact with other smart contracts or the basic Ethereum virtual machine in ways that produce political consequences, unintended political consequences. So they're adversarial in that sense. I think this is the most promising direction for activism on the blockchain. And there's a lot of kind of thinking that needs to be done about this. And I look forward to kind of talking about it. But now I wanna move into a discussion with Amir Taki who has a lot of experience, I would say, creating adversarial concepts on the blockchain and himself also an activist. So thank you. Yeah, very interesting to be with my Mika here that I was also involved in Occupy from very early days. I think what we need to, the main issue now inside of cryptocurrency is we seem to be repeating the same mistakes that have been shown to us throughout history in the history of technology and even in the history of activist movements and we're not learning from those same mistakes. We're just repeating them over and over again. As a way to segue into that, the point three you made about the third form of how you can use the technology had so new forms of social contracts. And you said in Occupy they had, they wanted to create a new form of governance which in the end didn't really create any real social change. It just ended up being like a new way of managing things. And just because we create a DAO or we create some new structure doesn't eradicate the power imbalances. So maybe you can talk a bit about what gave Occupy its power and why that didn't transfer to real social change and maybe some of the contemporary examples about that happening as well. Yeah, well there's a whole question about Occupy Wall Street and whether or not it resulted in political change, whether or not it was a failure is one that's really complicated and difficult. So the book I wrote is called The End of Protest and I was one of the first people to talk about Occupy Wall Street as a constructive failure. Not a total failure, obviously it did good things but the movement failed to achieve what we wanted which was like a revolutionary change in the nature of power. We wanted to basically achieve what the Arab Spring had achieved which is like overthrowing Mubarak but we wanted to achieve that around the financial industry. We wanted to overthrow the power of money over our democracy which we obviously failed to do. I think that in terms of for the crypto community thinking about decision making and why our movement kind of failed, I think there's a couple things that we did wrong that I think crypto community can learn from. First of all is that we were unable to distinguish between who was in and who was not in the movement so anyone could come up and just say like, I'm an occupier and be like a totally disruptive presence. This is I think gets back to this question of kind of how do you, it's like identity, how do you tell whether or not someone is actually a beneficial part of the movement and it's not. And right now I think within the crypto community the main way that it's been addressed is to this concept of like, well whoever has the most coins, they are part of the community and then they get 99% of the vote. And I think that's one way, that is one way to solve it. Yeah, because the early adopters accumulated all the coins, they get to make the decisions. But that's in itself is also a solution that's not giving more power. So I think it's an unsolved problem but I think that there is something about crypto, I believe it's a solvable problem and I think that it probably could involve some sort of some of the new concepts that are being involved within the DAO. But I think that yeah, I think that it is important not to be naive just because you've created something new does not mean that it's inherently going to create positive social change. And in some ways, I think we can get into this. In some ways I think blockchain and cryptocurrencies are perhaps like the most evil technology ever created. Yeah, definitely. In some ways they are the most unequal distribution of wealth. I mean think about how unfair it is. Like I just told you I got five Bitcoin for free in the early days. That's in itself that is extremely unfair. It's unfair to have a system where people got Ethereum for very, very, very little bit of money and now can cash out even at $190, they're making massive profits. Yeah, well not only that, there's just like a social credit, sesame credit system in China now where if you talk with the wrong person because they're monitoring everybody's chats on WeChat, if you're late for an appointment, you get like a lower social score. You mean you cannot rent an apartment, you cannot get a train ticket.  Entire systems monitoring and managing human beings as tools, as human resources. I see a lot of that rhetoric inside of blockchain going oh me and my friend in the future we will have a smart contract between each other. These are really scary fundamental systems of control. I actually saw a blockchain project recently which was about having people's credit scores and debt ratings on a blockchain. So the credit card companies, it's like your data about your score with money would become like permanent in a permanent global database. Even if it's decentralized, it doesn't mean that people are free or there's no power. So you talked actually about number one, new economic models. And you said, yeah, you mentioned a few things but the interesting point I think is that we should start to look at the table.  We should start to think that these models that we create don't necessarily can be quite oppressive and instead we need to be thinking about the ideas that are driving us and how we make tools for individuals to empower human beings to shape the world around them. What type of human beings we're empowering rather than a perfect system that allocate a little space of freedom and equal resources to a bunch of people? Because I think that overview is a bit totalitarian. Well, I think there's two ideas here. So one is this question of like, like a lot of people in the activist community kind of pushed back at me for even talking about crypto because they see it as an inherently oppressive technology. But I think instead, if you look at the history of technology, obviously it always has like a dark side. Like Paul Verrilliard talks about like, there's always an accident associated with technology. And I think that like, I think that personally I think that cryptocurrencies are perhaps one of the most evil technologies created. And yet at the same time, they hold this tremendous possibility, this tremendous revolutionary possibility. So at the same time as you have the ability to like, you know, yeah, we can live in, I think it's easy for us to imagine a world very soon where like everything about ourselves is encoded on some sort of immutable blockchain that some government out there is like reading and it involves all of our, you know, this whole level, basically blockchain is a tremendous tool of surveillance. Yes. But at the same time, I think that activists have, still have this window of opportunity. Like it's still so new. I mean, it's amazing to think that Ethereum's like, what, five or six years old. It's still so new that there is a possibility that we could turn things. But I think like, at the same time, there's a question about how much liberatory possibility there is because of the very nature of the system. So it's like, I don't know, I don't wanna just like, say that it's impossible, but I also think that it is important to kind of have like a skeptical view. But yeah, it's tricky. Yeah, well, whenever I go to any of these speeches where people are talking about synthetic derivatives so people can get easier mortgages, I'm like continually thinking like, why aren't we leveraging that to speculate on government bonds and use them to dump them in mass? Like we literally have amongst us, like the capability and power to crash national economies. A lot of the thinking is on really low level. Like you have the old rich who they raise their kids from generations in particular ceremonies and rituals which are like honing their dynasties to maintain power. And you have this Nouveau crypto rich who they just wanna buy yachts and lambos. You know, if we want to be a power, like we want to actually be a political power, like step it up to a real level, we have to really think big. And the main issue I'm experiencing now is there are all these crypto companies and they're just focused on their brands, their little niche that they're carving out and they're all trying to one up each other. And it's kind of the same thing that I experienced in Occupy. I went to Occupy in the beginning. It was amazing. Many loads of young people from all over the country, they intuitively feel something is wrong and they came there because they wanted to change something. And they arrived there and what did Occupy offer them? I said, okay, let's have a discussion of what we're actually doing. And that momentum over time kind of dissipated some of them got no more jobs. Now some of them are into drugs, I don't know. But that energy kind of just dissipated. Yeah, well, I think again, I think there's two things here. So one is that, and I think this is in terms of applicable to the crypto community, is one is that the experience of social protest teaches us that we mustn't be naive about the power of the status quo. That the power of the status quo is so tremendous that like, look at, for example, look at the fallout of the Arab Spring. Like, who would have thought that overthrowing Mubarak would result in a government even more regressive than Mubarak? The CeCe government is worse than, and if you're an activist in Egypt, your experience in 2019 is worse than your experience in 2009. So there's this, so that relates to the crypto community. I think that in some ways, when we get into a new thing and we're like, yes, like we're fighting against the status quo, we become very naive about the possibility of actually damaging that status quo. And the status quo is amazing at co-optation. So very soon, you find that you're all of a sudden being absorbed. And this is happening in the crypto community through succumbing to the idea that we need to submit to regulation. I see that as very much, like that we should already be submitting to regulation. And I get that because there's a lot of pressure to do so, but it's like, it's already the death now. I think the second thing that you're bringing up, and I think that when we think about, well, why did Occupy happen? Why do social movements happen? Is that social movements happen when you create a new form of protest that people suddenly believe is going to create social change, right? So one of the questions that plagues activists is this question of like, why is it that sometimes people rush into the streets and sometimes they don't? So like in the American context, like there's been gun violence for years. Why is it suddenly that March for Our Lives emerges? Or like Occupy Wall Street, people would wonder, like in the weeks, months before Occupy Wall Street, there was actually protests on Wall Street. There's actually a march on Wall Street that went nowhere. And then why is it that it took off with Occupy Wall Street? It's because we presented a new kind of social protest that people suddenly believed like, this is gonna work. And then when they stopped believing it, it's gonna work, then they left. I think crypto's in that golden moment. Or maybe it's already ending, we don't know. Where people are drawn, some people are drawn to the community because they think, oh, this is a new form of, if not protest, at least changing the world that hasn't been tried before. But I think you're right that there's a window of opportunity that closes. And it might be closing now where suddenly people really start to think, no, this isn't a space where change is possible, instead it's a space where we're trying to replicate existing models. Like I love DeFi and I'm all in putting stuff into dye and all this kind of stuff too. But ultimately what that's doing is replicating in a certain sense, the existing models, which I think is what, as activists, we need to push back against and try to imagine new models. But it's very difficult to do so. Yeah well, what is the state? The state is ideology. It's the military and the administration. It's a system that use human beings as tools, as resources. And the ideology that we live under now is the ideology of liberalism, which is an ideology of nothingness. It's an ideology which is ahistorical, which is that we've reached the end of history. What I see happening inside of crypto now is 90% of the projects are gonna fail because they don't have a vision of the society they're trying to create. It's all very vague and wishy-washy. And something I've read actually is that now Chinese companies are actually edging out Western companies globally because Western companies are just concerned with their own personal profit, whereas Chinese companies have a core of Communist Party cadre who kind of steer all these companies towards a shared strategic objective. Now the point is, it's not that oh we need to create a system of management where there's a boss, and the boss is telling someone to do it. No, it's not that. It's that the way that humans work together is based off of storytelling. Storytelling is something fundamental from the very beginning of history. It's actually, we actually understand the world better in terms of stories than we do in abstract models. And mechanisms and having a story or a narrative which is an explanation of how did we get here? Why is the world the way it is? You know, like what is the world that we're trying to create is something that can allow many groups of people to come together to change the world. And if we're trying to create a world which make people to be free, you know, like if we don't, and I see it a lot of the times, there's a lot of projects which is, you've heard of this paper called the tyranny of structuralistness. The same thing happened in Occupy, you know? You go to a meeting and there's like all different sorts of people. There's like a hippie person, I don't know, a pacifist person, this guy, and they believe this thing and this thing. There's nothing shared between those people. It's like, how can you build a democracy when you don't share anything together?  And that's why authoritarianism emerges. You know, it doesn't matter what structure you create necessarily. The technology is actually really, the way I see it is like a complicated artifice that we used to trick, we used to trick the old power. You know, it's really an extension of ourself. And there is a constant competition between different groups with different philosophies vying for power to shape the development of that technology. It's a mistake to see technologies, it's like static thing that just stay there and never change. The technology is actually shaped by us, by our motives, and we have to be clear about that. Like, what is it, and all of this news about Venezuela, Syria, Cyprus, and so on, it's fake news. Like, there really isn't any major adoption of crypto. We need to be analyzing those markets. We need to be breaking them down, seeing where there's an opportunity, how we can develop the tools to exploit those opportunities, to grow, to actually make something that's useful for people. That's why the narrative is so important. The philosophical level in crypto community, the intellectual level is so low, and that's why we're so effective. There's a lot of speech and focus now on structures and mechanisms, sorry, on mechanisms and techniques, but there's very little joining the dots. How do these make a structure or infrastructure, you know? We can't just think of, like, small parts. Yeah. Yeah, but I mean, at the same time.  How are you doing? Yeah, I mean, I think you make a lot of good points, but I also think at the same time, one of the narratives around crypto that I think is true and is also beautiful and revolutionary is that crypto does allow, so one of the, I think one of the base reasons why Occupy failed or a lot of social movements run into trouble is this question of sovereignty, you know, and I think that with Occupy Wall Street, we basically had this kind of magical thinking that if we can set up assemblies in the streets, and it's a more perfect form of democracy, then naturally, sovereignty will flow to us and naturally, our government's gonna have to listen to us and naturally the police won't be able to, and I think that one thing that turned out to be not true, obviously, but there is something about crypto that does have an inherent kind of sovereignty. There is, for the first time, it is possible for people in this room to come together, identify a new form of economic logic, distribute a token that embodies it, and have it exist without a state having to get involved. So I think that that is beautiful and does hold a lot of potential, but I agree with you that there's this whole other side which is the creation of what does that look like, right? And I think it's much easier right now to, I think a lot of crypto is, for better or worse, it's focused around this question of well, how do we speculate, you know what I mean? How do we create speculative currencies that make money? Which is a very different question, I think, than how do we create sovereignty and self-sovereignty? All these concepts that we hear about in crypto, which I think are the most powerful but are kind of so hard to actualize. In about a minute, we're gonna take questions from the audience. So if you won't have a question, I hope that you will line up here. We already have a question, good. And we're gonna go into questions in about a minute, unless you want to right now, because I think questions are a lot more interesting. Yeah, we can go to questions. You wanna do questions? Okay, so everyone just line up and then, yeah, try, you know, common courtesy, ask a question, not like a long speech, but go ahead. Amir, the question is for you. About a year ago, at DevCon4, the speech was about political apathy. You mentioned that people are not voting, and then we saw a year later, the emergence of all the scandal of Cambridge Analytica. Now we have lots of Cambridge Analytica, the documentaries coming up, and how they manipulated people from Facebook. The people that are the ignorance that are actually making it happen and vote, I would like you to comment about what can the crypto community actually do to make a change socially? What are the first steps that you think that are gonna make a difference? Because we still need to vote. Whether we like it or not, we still have to go to our governments and decide who's gonna be in power. So if you could comment on, first of all, the political apathy, and then what can we actually, in your mind or your mindset, from all the discussions you've been having, what can we actually do to help to make a change? Well, all of the modern concepts of the computer, like the network socket, the file, were all invented in the 70s with the development of Unix. Computers have not changed in over 50 years. The computer devices that we use, they've got faster, they've got smaller, but they haven't changed. Fundamentally, the technology that we're using is built for consumers, for individuals. Even something basic, like sharing a file, is still really difficult. The whole point of civilization is bringing humans together to be able to collaborate on a large scale. So we need to think about the technology. How do we build technology? How do we build a new paradigm of computing that can be used to support a new type of society, a new type of civilization? Every revolutionary movement, its success is dependent on this ability to shape the development of technology. As you were here in Japan now, there's two provinces, Koba and Iga, which is where the ninja originated from. These provinces were democratic, self-governing provinces within feudal Japan, and they fought a war against the samurai. The ninjas were people that they were able to develop technology from common everyday items that they could use to wage a guerrilla insurgent war against the samurai who were the defenders of privilege and power. So we're in Japan, which have a very nice legacy about how technology was used to... And we're going into a very scary world, like we can't be ignorant about technology, like the way technology is being used. How can we beat Facebook? Where majority of the people... Okay, I think Facebook is irrelevant. Facebook is not an empowering tool, but the problem is that Linux, free software, all of these movements, they're just trying to copy the dominant paradigm. They're not developing their own system of thought. They're becoming trapped in the system that they're trying to fight against. Same thing with crypto, recreating the same system inside of us. We need to create a new system and we need to recruit the people into that new system. Yeah, I mean, I think that's excellent. I would just add to that, though, one of the things that's so difficult, and one of the things we learn from social movement creation is that the ideas that are the most powerful and revolutionary are not seen, and it's very hard to see them. So when we came up with the idea of Rock by Wall Street, and when I told people the idea of Rock by Wall Street before it started, no one believed me. No one told me it was a good idea. Similarly, with Ethereum, we know that the ideas that are the most revolutionary are not seen. So it's not just coming up with the new ideas, it's also having the capacity to know that we can't tell what they are necessarily and to go against our kind of knee-jerk thoughts about what they should be. So next question. So I think it's definitely clear that blockchain technology is super empowering and that it gives us a lot more power from inside our homes in front of our laptops than we had before. But one of the ways that it really restricts our ability to use the technology to do whatever social change we want is that it has network effects and therefore we have to kind of do it along with other people who may have very different political agendas than we do. Even inside the Ethereum community we're much less politically united, for example, than inside the Bitcoin community. And I think that, but imagine if you're some community outside of cryptocurrency and you want to use the technology, you have to have a certain amount of network effect. But right now, people who are outside the crypto community because the crypto was launched and basically seeded by radical revolutionary cypherpunks and libertarians see the technology itself as being associated with that politics and therefore they're not even trying to form network effects around another instance of the protocol that is used for their political goals. And so right now there's basically no major left-leaning cryptocurrency. It just doesn't exist. And no major left-leaning movement is interested at all in starting a cryptocurrency. Even though just from a tech point of view it doesn't seem obvious why it wouldn't be helpful. So what do you think we could do to help people with different political views use this blockchain and not have the blockchain revolution be relegated to radical right-wing politics? Yeah, that's a good question. I mean, I think in some ways the sad answer is that activist culture is broken. And so activist culture has certain assumptions about what should and shouldn't be done. And when you go outside of those assumptions you get canceled and punished. So even from within activist culture there's a tremendous pushback against, for example, during Occupy in the years. It's kind of breaking down now, but there was a reluctance to engage in any form of electoral politics. But I think that crypto is also one of those kind of no-go zones. It's a no-go zone for activists because it violates the social concept rules of activism. So I think one way part of this talk is to break that down. More activists need to talk about crypto and break it down. But I think the other thing that I find so inspiring about Ethereum, Bitcoin, these kind of things is that when you build a social movement you do need a lot of people, you need network effects. When you're creating the internet you need people to use your services. One thing I like about crypto is that you don't have to wait for anybody. If you go on to compound finance and you look at how people are actually borrowing on compound finance, it's like 600 people. It's a very small, it's very small. So what I'm trying to say is that there's something about crypto because of its connection to being a money in itself that it doesn't need to wait for lots of people. So I guess I would push back against this idea that we need to get mass adoption in order to have a revolutionary effect. And I would instead say that the challenge is to create that revolutionary and activity use of Ethereum and then just move forward and not wait for anybody. And right now I think that's what's lacking. So it's like that part's lacking rather than adoption. But I don't know if that kind of jives with your feelings about it. I totally agree with you. Activist or left-wing politics is reach a dead end. Like we need to redevelop our thoughts and go beyond all this left-right paradigm. Yeah. If I'm trying to do as much social good as I can. If I can talk louder. Louder? If I'm trying to do as much social good as I can over the course of my lifetime. Two strategies that come to mind are Bill Gates style like launch a crypto technology that isn't inherently activist and accrue a bunch of wealth and then deploy it later versus spending time most likely with fewer resources building activist tech. How would you think about those and other alternatives? Yeah. Well I mean I think my answer would be you have to look at what happens to people who pursue the first path. So Nelson Mandela says for example where you sit is where you stand which means basically like when you find yourself so if you find yourself in a position where you have a billion dollars the things that you're going to support and stand for are not gonna be the things that you would have supported when you had no money. And that doesn't mean that you're like a bad person or anything but it's everything is influenced by your position. So I think that adopting a philanthropic model within cryptocurrency and relying on wealthy whales to kind of fund this ideal society but that they themselves aren't like building an activist tech is kind of the wrong way to go. I think that instead we need we need an act that we need like activist smart contracts that are themselves the interaction with them is the former protest. I think that's what is lacking. I mean yeah and that's the direction that I wanna go. I wanna like I wanna create the first smart contract that's banned for purely political reasons and I think it's like you think about that. Well what would that look like? What would that be? That's a whole avenue of thought. So the contract itself is protest not oh I'm gonna like invent a new form of dye and then get rich and then fund activists. Well thank you for that answer. That really has my head spinning but my original question was to your point about stories versus systems and how people find storytelling much more natural. What ways have you come across to tell stories that help people engage with the complexity of systems without getting overwhelmed? There's two books I want people to read. One is Manifesto for a Democratic Civilization by Abdullah Achalan. He wrote a series of five books only two have been translated to English. This is the foundation of our philosophy for our organization. And the second book is The Myth of the Machine by Lewis Mumford who is a philosopher and historian of science and technology and he connect that political philosophy to the technology. And so these books form the foundation or base of a movement, of a technology movement that can make a revolutionary change in our system but we have to bring it to the contemporary point with like contemporary knowledge and examples and we also have to start to build a roadmap and start to think about the technologies that we wanna build, like what kind of platforms, how are we gonna reinvent the operating system, what infrastructure and hardware that we need to create that we can deploy these technologies in places when opportunities present themselves and we need to start forming groups around these philosophies. Yeah, and I would just add briefly to that and then we're gonna be shortly out of time but I think that generally speaking a social movement is created out of three things. You need a new tactic that people believe will create change. You need a contagious kind of mood and then you need something that's outside of any of our control which is the right historical moment. So I think that cryptocurrencies and smart contracts, they can be that new tactic and I think that they can also be a vector for spreading that kind of mood in a certain sense but there's also this whole question of the right historical moment. So what I like about smart contracts is that they exist and they just kind of wait. I mean they're on the blockchain and they wait. So I can imagine the deployment of an activist smart contract that no one like pays attention to but then all of a sudden something happens in the world and this smart contract becomes the foundation for this whole eruption of social protests. So I guess what I'm trying to say is like there's also this whole element of things that are outside of our control that we need to like tune into. So we just ran out of time. Thank you so much. The two books, write this down, is Manifesto for a Democratic Civilization by Abdullah Ocelan and The Myth of the Machine by Lewis Mumford. This book by Ocelan is the best book that I ever read. You can't read it like a story book. You have to study the text. They talk about the different historical events and authors. Anyway, I just wanted to end with that. Yeah, and there's three copies of my book over there. So thank you very much.


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I Suppose it's only appropriate that one best-seller should be brought to you by another best-seller The latter of course Lux toilet soap, which I'm sure is your favorite beauty aid as well as the favorite beauty soap of screen stars And it's equally appropriate that a story of romance as is our play tonight Should be brought to you by a product that has meant romance to many many women by helping them have that lovelier Lux complexion It's curtain time and here's act one of Daisy Kenyon Starring Dana Andrews as Dan O'Mara and Ida Lupino in the title role It's late afternoon and in her apartment Daisy Kenyon young attractive and quite a successful magazine illustrator has just received a visitor Dan I told you I had a date for dinner. It'll keep who if baby. Well, I met him at a party last night I have to get dressed only stop by for a minute pet. I I can't make it to latin most of our night Dan do you realize this is the third time in a row? We've broken a date with them change it the next week I'll be there if it kills me.  Yes. Want your advice on atomic energy now look Daisy You're being mad is silly and you know it I've never broken a date with you unless I couldn't help it unless it was something really important Thanks, I don't mean that you're not important But we can go to the latin was next week and we can see each other almost any time no Dan I don't think we can I think we've through do we have to go through all this again We don't have to go through anything again. I just have to fight to stay happy. That's all fight for everything All my life's all mixed up with you every way I turn I've tried and you've tried but it won't work out You have a wife two children big law practice are going to be important in Washington I only have my work. You've messed that up, too.  That's not fair. Daisy Dan You're never going to be divorced because you don't want to be Look, I'm not being sorry for myself. I knew it would be like this It's just that I'm tired.  I said I was oh Dan will you ever believe I really mean what I say? I've tried to break this off. Honestly. I've tried and I will one day, too. All right, you will Maybe next year maybe next week. No, not this week I'll go on beat it. I dates you my darling. Hey taxi taxi Sorry, I'm keeping this cab who I tied up after all Miss Kenyon may not be ready for another 30 minutes miss Kenyon You've got a date with her, haven't you? Yes, I have I say look I'll send the cab right back as soon as I'm through with it. Thanks. It's very generous Sorry to have kept you waiting Pete. It's all right Well, shall we go? Oh finish your drink if you'd like. Thanks How about the Brevoit for dinner? I haven't been there since before the war. I'd love it The war's been over for some time now not for me. I Reenlisted just got out again last week. Oh glad you did. Oh It didn't matter one way or the other until last night. What happened last night? I met you Why did you keep asking me if I were real why not nothing else is real anymore?  Yeah, I used to be. Oh, yes. I remember now You designed the lap and six meter and there were wonderful photographs of boats in the magazines by a Susie lap and my wife.  Yes, he can be very rude at times. He was I suppose I didn't notice We were talking about your wife you were Yes, she She's dead. He said he'd come by with the postors. That's fine. Let's deal. Yeah, we'll take me a minute to change You look very nice. Thank you Damn why are you going to Washington tomorrow? You know father never discusses business with me I'm going down to present a brief to the SEC on amalgamated gas. I so seldom know what you're doing No one even expects me to know anymore. Do you think I know what I'm doing honey bunch? Where the kids? Oh Rosamonds primping a really damn. I wish you'd consulted me before you told her she could go with us tonight 13s no age for the store club. What's the harm in it? Where's Marie? I better look in on her She's supposed to be doing her homework. She's getting awfully impudent too. Marie.  Marie's been instant. I told her to stay in the room because I'm daddy Oh, what is it baby?   What was it you wanted anyway? I just wanted to come down when the company came well Maybe you can Lucille. I'm sure she'll do her best to get her homework finished That has nothing to do with the way she spoke to me Marie. Say you're sorry. I think you wash your face. I'm sorry mother Thank you, daddy Don't ever hit that child again Lucille How can you have so little control to let an 11 year old child control? You see the children five minutes a day just enough to spoil them But if you could understand how thankless it is for me was to see the company Only be here a few minutes. Is that going to hurt her? How do you know what hurts her what hurts anybody? Oh, I realize what I am to you only Don't interfere when I try to make better human beings of my daughters. Lucille, please. No, but once I'm gonna say it I know exactly what I am to you Sometimes I wish I didn't know know what you just lost your temper with Marie now you're losing it with me Maybe I haven't been the best husband if you want me to stay any kind of husband at all You'll never say anything anything again like what you tried to say just now You say you know exactly what you want to me well if you do then you know the good things as well as the bad You'll never have any unless unless you ask for it And you know it isn't thankless. We have two fine girls and you're to be thanked for that now. How do you know? Go on honey and Cheer up You may drink too much, but you don't talk too much What you want to leave the stock club. Oh didn't you think it was a little crowded? I didn't notice a soul except you Hey, uh, why are we stopping no particular reason except this is where I live. Oh Do you know it's half past three? No Daisy Daisy tell me something now that I've forsaken the army. What am I going to for a living, huh? Well, there are a lot of beautiful sloops waiting to be designed. I understand now kid stuff I think I'm gonna be a ruthless tycoon from now on fine Well, I give you time to see me again sure sure I'll see you I mean it I'm not just being polite. I don't say it if you don't mean it Daisy Call me Sunday. If you're sober by Sunday afternoon, you can take me to a baseball game. Well, I Love you. You what good night, Miss Kenyon. Good night. Mr. Lapham I was washing it's terrible. It was very funny. Wasn't it? I was furious and I still am Then bumping into us at the store club All right, you didn't really Dan you behave like a cat, huh? I'm going to leave you all right But not for mr. Lapham. He's nice, but a little unstable really No, Dan, I'll see you with the seven sitting here alone. You should try it sometimes. I'm sorry Daisy I'm scared stiff you might not have waited You see I need your advice. Hey waiter to martini.  If you took a case like that must be on page one. You're very ungracious.  I Want to know how I'm going to break this to my wife's old man my law partner, you know Oh, he's going to have a stroke when he finds out we've taken a case with no fee no publicity and representing a Japanese Incidentally, I'll have to go to California. It's the case of a veteran. So you know Gucci He fought in Italy comes home of purple heart silver star Only there isn't any home to come to some smart operator out on the coast digs up a law written by Cortez Moves his father after London think I'm wonderful. I am proud of your dad. Why don't you kiss me? I will Now where should we have dinner? Oh? We won't honey. I've got to see my father-in-law about this a couple of other things Which reminds me let's some more advice. I want from you This is seriously Marie worries me Lucille doesn't seem to have a handle a child What would you think of a boarding school for a while? Oh, Dan? How do you expect me to answer a question like that? By the way the other night in the stock club Rosamund bold me over You didn't tell me she was getting so tall. I thought Lucille looked very well. You sound jealous Didn't ever occur to you that I have more reason to be jealous than Lucille has here We are having a perfect time when you What are you filming for in your purse and nickels if you got one sure yeah, thank you excuse me I'll be back in a minute. We're talking to neither of my Mary So I thought if you could meet me at my apartment, we'll have a fight and go to the movies They day Z listen, I don't have to leave for half an hour. What did you say me please? Don't get mad again. Daisy. Can't we be happy for just one minute just a second Mary? Dan Dan I've had a bad day. I've been walking around all afternoon Three blocks north three blocks south south by north. I can't wonder all my life I've got to be going somewhere. Can't you understand that? Even if it's only to the movies Oh Mary, I'm sorry. I'll see you in 15 minutes. I was going to a ballgame this afternoon Instead I went to a movie tonight. Yes, Pete.  That's all except you didn't look It's late. You better run along. Can I come back again sometime? No, I don't know Pete. You you mix everything up You don't sound mixed up Daisy.  My wife was killed five years ago automobile accident Started it kind of slow dying I fought against it, but it happened anyway The war did the rest. Oh, that's foolish and I think you know it. Yeah The two times I was wounded. I wanted like anything to live When I got well it started again So is he gone? I didn't want to see any of my friends to go back to anything I'd ever done before come on I don't believe a word of it. Oh, I believe the facts are all right, but not the melodrama Everything a gun dead for you Pete.  We can talk about me, but not about you. It's no drama in my life You're in love with a ruthless tycoon. Isn't that dramatic? It isn't like that at all. Do you love him? Suppose I do it isn't enough. I wouldn't be here would I Pete In all the case histories I've read about seems a good idea to get a job Find other things to think about days you the whole thing it disappeared a month after we were married Married you're a South by North character if ever there was one You're exactly what I don't need. You know, you're very tender about being proposed to Pete please why shouldn't I ask you to marry me? I love you. I want to marry you Please say yes Please come and meet my sister and brother-in-law in Scottsdale and receive a letter from my aunt in Cambridge Please Daisy Come live with me be my love.  I won't bother to call again From California ten minutes ago power right now see here dad. I'm not only your father-in-law I'm also your law partner. Have you any idea what's been going on here since you've been away about that Chelsea number Marsha Amalgamated gas is retaining Stevens because we don't give them enough time The SEC has postponed the hearing and the buckley case and I go away for 18 days without you working yourself into a state How lose you and the kids they're fine We're all having dinner tonight, and if you want a pleasant dinner Let's get our harsh words over with now Do we have to have a harsh words sugar plum? It was tough enough before you took on that ridiculous the goosey case when you shut yourself up for 18 days Did you or I ever object when coverly seniors spent four months a year on his yacht? What's that got to do with it? We didn't object did we a man needs his relaxation? And I never object when you stand up in a trout stream looking like Calvin Coolidge two months a year either do I What's all this got to do with a grandstand play defending a Japanese if it gives me pleasure to fight some race prejudices Including your own that's my sport Understand all right dad who bought the SEC case in here anyway amalgamated gas national motors And why do we still have to have your papa's name on that door ten years after he drowned himself in a boat race? I said all right dad Okay, now that the harsh words are over follow seal for me. Well, you ask if she'll meet us at the colony at nine very well Okay, tell her I'm back and happy and well and that I love her and that you're happy and well, and did you love me? What about that number Marcia? Forget it. I'm going downtown. I'll be back I had the receiver off and didn't you get my wire. You knew I was coming back today. Yes, I knew Speaking of wires. I sent to a three myself. That didn't make sense. You're going to marry him. Is that it? Is that what those telegrams mean? I have married him dad Wanted to tell you to your face couldn't do it over the phone Ladies photograph That's a twist They're his Pete that's what I mean the guy moves in and brings his edgings with him What's his connection with boats? He designs them least he did before the war on Cape Cod We're moving there as soon as we can Well, yes, I can get my magazine assignments here and do my work up there After a few months people know what he wants to do Well, he doesn't think he wants to go back to boat designing this photograph Boats of Sartesha isn't it? Yes, his father designed it. It was a wonderful sloop They used to sail there years ago with old pop-comerly. I Didn't know you cared anything about boats I don't think about me. You didn't know a lot. I didn't know either I'll have a good life, baby You deserve it Bye Daisy. Goodbye dad. Hello, Mr. Romero. You want this taxi, too? You hadn't planned to keep it. No This is where I'm living Just heard about it Your father designed the Sartesha understand. Yes There was something about her. I was never able to figure out She was the only boat that didn't roll to the swells didn't do what didn't roll to swells. Oh, yeah Well, that's the blue nose. Yeah, the old cluster hulls ever see her out of the water No, she's almost straight wall for three people all the waterline What I don't understand is who figured out that a few planks and the hull of a ship could make a behave in a planned way Observing scene logic things like that that make people like me mad. Why anything logical makes me want to fight for some reason I've always distrusted logic. That's what makes life unexpectedly pleasant the illogical Like this moment for instance Why doesn't one of us take a poke at the other and get it over with? Someday one of us may meanwhile Good luck. Mr. Lapham. Thanks, mr.  What's the good word Libby? Well, mr. Keeley after hearing our guest reporter Sheila Graham last week praising Frank Capra's state of the union I made a point of seeing it and I'm sure you found the picture a delightful experience as I did it certainly was Naturally a combination of stars like Spencer Tracy Catherine Hepburn and Van Johnson should make any picture an outstanding success Especially a romantic and amusing comedy like that one as Sheila said it's so timely for Metro Golden mayor to release it now It's political situations provide some of the best laughs of the year What did you think of Angela Lansbury's performance as the lovely and ambitious publisher one of the high spots of the picture? Mr. Keeley she made the most of her opportunity to play with three such top stars as Spencer Tracy Catherine Hepburn and Van Johnson and Angela comes off with flying colors I knew you'd like her besides proving yourself a fine actress in state of the union. 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Keeley at the microphone We continue with the second act of Daisy Kenyon starting Ida Lapino in the title role and Dana Andrews as Dan It's three months now since Daisy Kenyon and Peter Lapham were married Three months since Ida has seen or heard from Dan O'Mara Daisy and Pete are now in Cape Cod driving toward the cottage. They've just purchased Who was that man the one you spoke to him province Tom? Well, that was Dino darling Dino's official I haven't seen him in years wants me to rebuild his boat for him going to I don't know maybe You know says there's lots of work for me around here. Mm-hmm. I think I'd like to meet Dino When I told him my wife was he Thought I meant Susie. Oh He knew her. Yeah We uh, we had a cottage a couple of miles from where we'll be I Didn't have to tell me Pete. She's not of your life yet is she of course. She is no It's not that easy Pete don't ever expect one person to replace another one They're sure you're talking about me Daisy not entirely. No, you lost something in Susie and I lost something in Dan No, right to expect the same things in each other and it's no good thinking about what we've lost It's a lot more fun to find out what we've gained. I Love you, Daisy. Thank you Pete. Now suppose you keep your eye on the road. That's our new house. We're going to Pete wake up darling. What is it? What's the matter Daisy? Are you all right? Nightmare, I was sleeping in the chair. I guess you married now son of Dracula. I was about to fix dinner You're called out. Can't even keep a nightmare to myself Sorry, what was it Pete? How do I know? Susie the war no Welsh wrap most of all Susie You say so I say so But I've had to work hard to get Dan out of my system Pete I was cleaning off the desk before and I found this When did you write this to Susie the night she died? I'd forgotten about it You go through my papers often sweetheart. Well, it was in the common property draw Almost as if you wanted me to find it The winds of earth are old and sane Tell me tell me when you know What happens to a hurricane?  No, no, don't say it. No, I Like you for not saying it Let it grow Let it grow until loving me means loving the earth All that sweet green and mellow and exciting On the face of the earth the face of the ocean Let it grow. There's a fine time to get home Since when do they launch boats in the dark? Sorry Daisy Dino had a little wine I've got some good news another job. It seems the fisherman are getting jealous of Dino's new boat. Oh darling I have good news too the Thursday review called want me to do a cereal. Hey, it's really big time, huh? Pete I I'll have to go to New York tomorrow. Oh, I wish I could go with you. You can't oh, I promise Dino I'd finish rigging tomorrow. Oh That's all right. I I wire Mary's took over my apartment if you'd have to share it with me for who's this letter from Daisy Oh, that came from Dan seems he's back in California and Mary sent it from New York. It's not a letter just a clipping lock Eastern attorney defending Jap attacked in courtroom Frakes It's very becoming bandages well, yes, I'd say poor Dan only I'm sure he loves it Well, if I'm going to New York tomorrow, I've got a lot of things to do I know I This isn't my apartment anymore. It's Mary's and Daisy. I need to talk to you then take me to lunch tomorrow I need to talk to you now Dan. I don't want to see you now Look, I just got off the plane.  I want to see Haven't any right to need anything from me. I haven't anything to give you Daisy. I'm tired I've just had some trouble Well, not family personal that way Just something I cared a lot about it blew up You remember the no Gucci case. Yes, I remember we got beaten no Gucci lost his property lost cases before Dan I don't feel I ever had a case Still surprised they can get used to it. Why is it so bad? I don't know maybe it's because I got mixed mixed up with my mind with you Two licking's together Dan. I don't like seeing you this way.  Yes, terribly happy happier than I ever made you.  You sound clinical. This is something new. I thought it was about time I began to run my life with some intelligence Maybe that's what sounds new. I think it's a pose and I wish you'd cut it out sound like Daisy, Kenyon Well, that's more like it start slapping baby. That does me good Shall I tell you what's been going on between you and Pete? Invinced yourselves that you love each other that was easy wealth nice peaceful people so logically why shouldn't you love each other? You know just about everything. Don't you sure? What good does it do me? I can't even win a simple case Dan Most people take a beating every day who told you you were special One time in your life you thought about somebody else you lost well, that's too bad If you're really trying to do something that will change things for people you've got to be humble. Don't tell me to be humble I'm so far down right now. That's not being humble Dan. That's being sorry for yourself. I liked you better before You had friendship in you then that met mine at the door and all the world was only one girl. Let me go Why should let me go Dan? Why can't you understand that I need to go of me Dan? I'll never forgive you never Daisy please Hello honey bunch Daisy, please let me talk to you please get out Over as soon as I could Lucille now. What's all this about Dan? When did he get home about an hour ago? He looks terrible. He's ill father. He must be did you call a doctor? He wouldn't let me he saw the children for a few minutes and then he said he wanted to be alone I'm sure he's just upset about that case. He's not used to losing Lucille. No, no, it's something more than that Oh, maybe I'm being crazy, but please stay here tonight. He's never been this way before he locked himself in his study and Well, there's a revolver in there now really my dear Tell him I'm here. Maybe he'll see me. Oh, I'll try He won't what are you doing? Isn't dad in the study? He's talking on the phone. There's an extension here father Wouldn't you like to listen in too? Oh? Mrs. Lapham or should I say days don't bother to write your husband. It's none of his business Is it we have a lot in common your husband and I? I'm sure your husband ought to know this thing's going to go on forever that I mean that fall They'll calm down don't you Lucille you think if you can start me talking I'll calm down You're wrong for a long time. I didn't think you were worth killing, but you are daddy. Don't worry, baby That was just talk. Where are you going? I'm going to see Daisy. She'll let me waterfront. I'm going upstairs Dan alone Daisy think I'm humble now. I haven't started to straighten out the mess at home yet. I Had to look at you for just a look. I Couldn't go on thinking of you with that Expression in your eyes then please There's nothing now either of us can say or do then we won't say or do anything just I'm going in Dan And you're not going to stop me Well, we'll see you thought it would be better if I did the talking for her She wants to divorce and I can't talk her out of it. The only question is what kind the best that money can buy of course She's quite bitter at the moment She wants to divorce you here in New York and name that girl and what do you think? I might be able to persuade her to do it the easier way if you cooperate about the children And just what does that mean Lucille must have sold an absolute custody of course eventually you'd be able to see them But Lucille thinks there should be a clean break now till they're adjusted to it Perhaps you can understand that just you sold them on the idea that I ran out on them You mean or come now bubble it's so expensive Dan. There's no other choice. Take it over. Let me know Well, thanks. I'll phone you. Oh, I'll be in the office, but I won't be at the office not long I'm pulling out of the firm sugar plum Perhaps you can understand that but dad. There's no reason why a purely personal conflict sure there is your sensitive nature Why you'd win every time we met your humor's in rather bad taste besides It'll give you something to occupy your time without me around you'll have to work for your income Good night Papa came all the way to the office by yourself daddy. Oh daddy. I had to see you I took a taxi cab Rosamund was coming too, but Millis and Harris asked to go to the movies. Oh, that's all it's a box We are I'm gonna live with you daddy. I don't care what Rosamund does, but I'm gonna live with you at the club, baby Ladies aren't allowed there. Look. I move just as soon as I can then you and Ross can come and live with me Whenever you like that is whenever it's all right with your mommy. It won't be all right with her daddy It's awful without you when you're not there.  We'll talk about it again, sweetheart It's gonna pick you up at school tomorrow, huh? I want to talk about it now Daddy was somebody here waiting to see me sweetheart, but tomorrow we'll go someplace and have tea a Regular grown-up. They just the two of us, huh? You better run on home before mommy starts worrying about you. I'll have miss Adam to go with you Thanks, baby, but I won't live with it. I just won't get you waiting mr. Lapham. Why did you why are you mr? Something happened. Now. Why'd you because I wanted to tell you I've seen Daisy and nothing's happened. Well, that's clear now We're meeting Daisy. She doesn't know I sent for you. Okay. I don't know what this is all about mr. O'Mara, but fine. Let's go. We thought you'd be surprised to see him Daisy Do you two get together often not as often as we should Pete? Why did you come down because I've wired him? I have things to say to both of you and there's no point in having to say them twice I Think misunderstandings are childish. We're grown-up people. I believe we are don't you know it I have a hunch that when people talk about how grown-up they are only means enough very sure of it Mr. O'Mara well, if you let me talk mr. Lapham, maybe you won't worry so much about that now Let's simplify things at least he's called Pete and you're Dan Anyway, it all started on Wednesday. I just come back from California.  No questions Whatever happened. Well, it doesn't matter. Why doesn't it matter Pete? Hmm. You're not getting hostile. Are you? That wasn't on the agenda that you should get hostile honey brunch. I'm not hostile Honest not go on Well, if all this was something that concerned only the three of us we wouldn't need to say another word But I'm asking your permission to let me turn our private affairs into newspaper copy My wife is suing me for divorce Dan. She wants to bring your name into it You see Pete they figure that in order to keep Daisy's name out of the newspapers I'll sign away the right to see my children. No, Dan you mustn't it'd be terrible for them Marie especially so Putting it up to both of you It's not a thing to be decided without realizing what it involves. Well if they want a fight, we'll give it to them I'm sure we can lick it. I'll clear you baby. May I speak now mr. Chairman? I suppose so I Am I said it doesn't bother me what's happened between you and Daisy You see I walked into this marriage with my eyes open. I knew what I was up against It's a long shot, but I thought it was the chance. Well, wasn't it? I can't complain I Pushed my way into your life Daisy because I needed you Well, I'm fine now better than either of you That's all there is to it. That isn't all there is to it the only reason I was able to break in was it? He didn't love you enough then If I'd met you now for the first time would I be able to break you? I'll do my own thinking. Thank you my own existing I'm all for that That's why I'm leaving it up to you You can work it out without being bothered by it. Well by my being wrong I'm sort of a formality. We can dispose of any time you give the signal Don't want to be married on formalities. How can you say a thing like that? I Didn't plan for this baby. You ought to know that I'm almost glad it happened It's nothing like a crisis to show what's really inside of people. You don't mean that don't tell me what I mean Let's go. I don't like it here. You like it any better in a courtroom. Yes. Yes. I think I will Pause now for station identification. This is CBS the Columbia broadcasting system We'll return with Act 3 of Daisy Kenyon If you could see miss Loretta Lewis our guest this evening I'm sure you'd be as amazed as I was to hear that her theatrical experience began exactly 15 years ago You were just three weren't you Loretta when you answered your first curtain call? Yes, mr. Keely I appeared in a musical show that starred my mother and father We made a complete tour of the audience and then you came to Hollywood and were signed by 20th century Fox Do you like working in pictures as well as you like the stage? I love my work at the studio There's so much to learn. It's fascinating to watch famous stars before the camera You must have many opportunities to do that. I saw the making sitting pretty. That's one picture I'll never forget imagine the sophisticated Clifton web as a babysitter a hilarious situation in itself Especially when he takes over the household of Marino Harrah and Robert Young the children's parents Everyone in the studio used to crowd around to watch those scenes being filmed. It was a riot Marino Harrah plays a wife in sitting pretty that any husband might be jealous of. Oh, yes She's very lovely You saw the picture mr. Kennedy. Yes, and I agree with you Marino Harrah looks more charming than ever I'm sure you know she's a luxe girl. Naturally million-dollar complexion like hers must have the right care I know Marino Harrah always uses luxe toilet soap. She says it's a real beauty soap gives delicate skin the carrot needs That's the reason nine out of ten screen stars depend on daily luxe soap beauty facials from my own experience mr. Kennedy I know it's a complexion care that works. Well, Miss Luiz if your audience could see you they'd understand why we say Luxe girls are lovelier Thank you for being with us tonight. I Hope every woman who's looking for a gentle effective complexion care will take this hint from Hollywood See what the screen stars beauty soap will do for your skin We return you now to William Keely our curtain rises on act three of Daisy Kenyon Starring Dana Andrews as Dan and Ida Lupino as Daisy Versus O'Mara has dominated the headlines with a glare of flashlight bulbs directed at Daisy Kenyon Now in the crowded courtroom Daisy's friend Mary is on the witness stand Miss Barnes you said you've seen mr. O'Mara and miss Lappin together on several occasions before she was married Before she was married, but you also testified that on the night mr. O'Mara returned from California. They were again together Yes, it was a great surprise to me. Why because you assumed her marriage it ended their friendship. I knew it had You knew it had thank you miss Barnes.  No questions your honor very well We'll recess until one o'clock the kids where did they go they left with father Do they have to come to court to hear all this? I'm acting under advice. What about Marie? What's wrong with it? What do you mean? I know what I mean. She looked ill Well, she she's been having a little trouble with one of her ears. Why don't you take her to a doctor? She's been to the doctor. He says it's nothing Did she have a blow of some kind? No, it's it's purely a nervous reaction.  Let's wait till the courtroom's empty. It's been a little brutal this morning Building a case for the newspapers and nothing else. No Daisy Did you see Marie? Yes, I did dear There's something wrong with her ear. I Remember now how it must have happened when Lucille first heard about you. I don't think she meant to slap her quite so hard Sure, baby. I forgive you. Now come on. How about that sandwich? Mrs. Lapham Do you deny that before your marriage to Peter Lapham? You were in frequent communication with mr. O'Mara. No Now during this period of Friendship with mr. O'Mara. How often would you go out with other men? I've done your honor your honor I only wish to point out that the events of the past form a very substantial background for what went on the evening that mr O'Mara returned to New York To establish Mrs. Lapham you've testified that your marriage was a happy one was that true on evening in question Yes, and on the following day I didn't see my husband the following day and is it not true that you and your husband have not seen each other since Jack I submit this whole line of questioning is irrelevant. May I add something to that your honor? I don't know if this lawyer has the legal right to ask these questions But whether he has or not I protest them I protest them as a human being that will do please Objections over. Thank you your honor Now will the witness tell us in her own words just what is the present status of her marriage? Well, it's true. I haven't seen my husband for some time It has nothing to do with mr. O'Mara's return from California At least my husband said it it wasn't important agreeable with plaintiff's counsel mr. Mara certainly your honor I Request another assess for what purpose mr. Mara for the purpose of a private conference of the plaintiff Very well courts adjourned until three o'clock. Why did you do this Dan? I could have gone on. Maybe you could I Couldn't I won't be any need to stay here Daisy. What are you going to do?  I'll come by later Ask for this recess. Well, I think we all realize there's no sense in prolonging the sideshow please Lucy Then before there's any talk of a reconciliation give it Then we'll just have to proceed with the suit for what you haven't a prayer on that kind of evidence Well, I think that's not waste time on what you think That's the one who understands a little law or you can go on raising the roof. I'll admit that but what's the point? I'll agree to your original terms in exchange for a quiet divorce in Nevada You'll have the girls all to yourself. You see you Give them a break. Oh Dan it's no good without the two of us. Neither of us alone is enough for them. Dan.  I've hurt her But nobody as much as myself. I'm sorry, honey. This didn't start out as my idea Carry on with the details. Will you Papa? Happy to see you Pete. I've been trying to find you for two days been right here in New York Working on plans for a diesel fishing fleet. Oh, that's fine All I want to know is if you still mean something you said at our last meeting What did I say that you'd be willing to bow out of your marriage anytime Daisy gave the signal? I'm insane. Daisy am I being sickled? I want to marry her I've taken the liberty of drawing up these papers naturally. Why do I sign? You know, I'm completely baffled by you Well, I don't pretend to be able to explain myself in detail But just what is it that bothers? I was pretty sure at one time that you were in love with Daisy who said I wasn't Well, here you are giving her up without a murmur The least you could do is give me that punch in the nose. I once talked about these Papers did Daisy prefer that I sign first? Well, no, not exactly the fact is I haven't asked Daisy yet Well, don't you think we ought to go through the formalities in their proper order? Sure. You think so? Why don't we phone her at Mary's apartment then go and see her fine? I don't thanks for calling me first I couldn't No, I'm not up to that kind of civilized nonsense Oh, please Dan. Don't bring Pete here and don't come yourself. I I've just got to be alone for a few days. My work's piled up on me and I Then I just can't talk I can't figure you out. Don't try Mary. Well, you've been in love with Dan for so long And now that he stopped the trial to save you. I just don't know what I want. That's all It's about time. I found out once and for all I'm going away Mary back to the Cape now. You're trying to do hide from us. We've got to face this thing out, baby There's no use running away. Don't you ever believe cottage isn't she? She won't be at the cottage when we get there You know the character from these parts and a blizzard like this. Why don't you ask her? She's at the door now driving around these roads in a night like this Not very smart. I was running away. Thanks for changing your mind, baby I didn't change my mind. How'd she get back? I didn't hear the car and a kind of cracker Daisy No car will have to be towed in I guess Turned over Daisy. Oh really. I'm all right Matter of fact, I feel better than I have in weeks Maybe that's a good way to get clear on things shock treatment, but you're sure you're all right Let's go on with the meeting. We've sent for a cab to take one of us back to the station It'll be a zoom there isn't going to be any meeting and you're both going back and leave you here alone when nothing settles All right, who has the floor who do you suppose not necessarily honey bunch in fact I yield Well, it Doesn't make much difference. Who says it Daisy? Dan's asked me to give you a divorce. I didn't tell him to do that. No, it's his own idea Apparently he had reason to believe you'd go for it Why did you come here Pete? To have you asked me for it yourself. Oh The cab yeah, I guess so. I'll wait outside Daisy We need a fresh start. We've been through a lot and we've never given ourselves a fair chance Took me a long time to realize it, but I know now what I want I'd give up everything for you to have Marie and Rosamond.  It's it's all over that marriage. No, we can never be too late as long as the children are a part of it Marriage doesn't break up that easily Dan It's even later for us You said it took you a long time to realize where you stood Well me too But a little while ago when the car went off the road things somehow got much clearer Funny thing about being in love Sometimes it's easier to tell when when you are than when you aren't Dan I Stop being in love with you a long time ago But well memory kind of lingered on kept me mixed up or whatever you call it love or anything else It won't be over till we've got to kill it Dan for good I'm sorry if I let the memory mix me up It makes me up to a guess That was so sure the things you put up with for my sake never would have worked really darling Because what you wanted wasn't anything more than wanting to run away from responsibility The way you're doing now Goodbye, Dan. Yeah, I Guess that's that maybe along day as you was right Pete We're both taking the cab Well, come on get in no damn. Oh, hey, what are you doing same as you honey bunch? I'm going home. It's my house. They're you know my wife take them to the railroad station driver Do you know about fighting Well, it comes to modern combat tactics. Yeah, they're both babies compared to me. I love you Pete Now you know what happened to the hurricane Didn't have any place to go It to what should be fair where they're sailing from now on and bring our stars back for a curtain call Dana Andrews and idol a Pino who in real life are themselves among our more accomplished sailors in Pacific waters In fact Dana, you've just returned from your latest cruise. I understand. That's right, Bill I just got back from a cruise along the coast of Mexico or what I call our back door South Seas on your own boat Yes, I have an 80-foot catch now able to stand up on any kind of weather Believe me, we've got plenty of all kinds too. Was this strictly a vacation trip Dana. No, actually it was business Oh, we did some fishing but principally we were taking color movies for a travel log or a picture for general release Dana That's right. We shot some 10,000 feet of color film Which is of course we'll have to edit it before we release it those little known waters of Mexico should have a lot of interest for the Public of course we feel so the San Benitez Islands for instance where we got some wonderful action shots of those sea elephants You know the big 4,000 pound monster they you don't find them in many parts of the world So this is your first attempt of producing and directing pictures aren't they you're planning any other films Oh, yeah, I've scheduled a trip to the South Seas and Tahiti for another travel log Soon as I finish the picture that I'm making now enterprise no minor vices in which I understand You're playing the part of a pediatrician Where did you ever get your training as a pediatrician Dana right at home after all I'm bringing four kids. I Hope you're teaching them to use luck soap.  I don't oh, yes indeed bill I use it faithfully to my complexion. It wouldn't be a day without it I understand looks has a special treat for all of us next Monday night bill Yes, Monday night We bring our audience an hour of lighthearted and romantic fun with paramount sparkling comedy the perfect marriage Starring the delightful team of Ray Milan and Elizabeth Scott Yes, it's the story of a perfect marriage perfect That is until how our curtain rises Monday night on sudden boisterous complications Well, the perfect marriage should be perfect for your listeners bill. Good night. Good night and happy sailing to you both In inviting you to be with us again next Monday evening when the Lux Radio Theatre presents Ray Milan and Elizabeth Scott in the perfect marriage This is William Keely saying good night to you from Hollywood Ladies and gentlemen, I've been asked to remind you of a very serious appeal An appeal for your help in fighting cancer the deadliest enemy that this country knows The toll of cancer has exceeded the fatalities of all the wars. 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